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The Ocho: NFC East players we'd put on the Cowboys

Blogging the Boys

11:01 min | 1 year ago

The Ocho: NFC East players we'd put on the Cowboys

"NONA. What are? Welcome to another episode of the Ocho presented you in partnership as always espy nations blogging. The Boys Dot Com. Are Joe. You know of course from. And from readier as you're humble host onto the OCHO, it is Monday. June fifteenth two, thousand twenty. We hope that all is well wherever you are. We hope you're happy. Safe healthy and buckled in and ready, because again today's June fifteenth, which means that one month from today is July Fifteenth, and in case you forgot July. Fifteenth is the deadline for Dak Prescott. Prescott, on the Dallas Cowboys to get a long term deal done ahead of the two thousand and twenty season. If Act and the cowboys do not have a long term deal done by July fifteenth, they will have no option. He will have to play two thousand twenty season under the franchise tag if he plays it all. Obviously, you'll have you on bill. Is an example that many people will side. So we've got another months. Worth of takes so get ready and prepare yourself. It. It should be fun, and it should be interesting by the way on the subject of things you may have forgotten i. know that that's what the girls are getting into later today on girls. Talkin Boys Kelsey Charleston Meg. Murry there'll be going over things that maybe we all forgot and I know this offseason has felt in some ways like it's flown by and other ways like you know, it's taking forever, but calcium meg hitting on things that you might have forgotten over the course of the last few months. I wanted to talk about a bit of a hypothetical today. And this has been discussed before I know we've talked about it in different off-seasons, but it's that time because know the month of June generally and the first part of July till that franchise tag line that is typically the slowest time and NFL offseason. This is generally when players and teams and coaches and front office figures, etc.. Take vacations, and so this is where my brain is allowed to have its most fun. It's sort of what if Type Thought and so I wrote about this should be out later today on Monday at the site on the boys dot com remember by the way to subscribe at the dog on the boys podcast feed when you get to episodes every single day. You got access to all of our different shows. It's a Lotta Fun. Lots of different personalities. Lots of different people all in one in compact place make sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Apple Devices spotify tune in radio stitcher. We are everywhere. If needed link hit me up at our show on twitter or instagram, you can also email me. Rj Dot Ocho at espionage in DOT COM so. Magazine. I wrote about this subject. I wanted to get into it with you, so grab a seat. Come sit down. Let's talk about it. If you could add one player from every NFC east team. EVERY NON COWBOYS NFC east team to the Dallas Cowboys. Who would it be now? A little bit of rules and I know last week. ESPN had their hypothetical that pissed. Some people off ESPN redrafted the whole. NFL people were not happy. Are Hypothetical is not as you know out there but the rules are I didn't enjoy one row because if you're talking hypotheticals, if you've got to open the parameters right and one hypothetical detail that ESPN had was that contracts were not involved so contracts, not an issue here. If you want player Xp, you're like man. He's too expensive by. Contract do not matter in this hypothetical. The other key is we're obviously talking about the way things stand in two thousand and twenty. You can't say I want prime whatever I want future, whatever now we're talking about who those players are in the here and now and you are adding them to the Dallas. Cowboys roster as it currently stands now the Philadelphia Eagles. Probably have the second most talented roster in the NFC east outside of the Dallas cowboys who I think you and I both believe how the most talented roster and so. They are I think a handful of places you could go here. I think they're really only two places. Zach ertz comes to mind and is an option, but I don't like if we added Zakar to. The cowboys roster currently stands, are they? That much better, and I am a huge fan of actor. It's all right. Big Fan of the General Juliet's is awesome as well but I just I mean if Zach Ertz were on the couch instead of Blake Darwin I think we're all still saying well. What about this defense? You know what I mean? There's no denying Zach. It's is one of the best tight ends and the NFL, certainly way better than Darwin, but the defense would still be an issue and you know we've all been saying forever. Will the cowboys need to focus you know and pay attention to the defensive tackle position. Because look at what Fletcher Cox does to them. They need to go. Find you know somebody like Fletcher Cox. They really have to do that. Why not just go get Fletcher Cox? If you can do that if that's the game. Why not add Fletcher Cox I? Think that's the easiest answer of this. Although actually there might be an easier one. Maybe that's a bit of a spoiler, but I've been Fletcher Cox is without question the Philadelphia. Eagles player that you want to add to the two thousand dollars, cowboys and you know it has been nice certainly to see the cowboys pay attention to that position. Obviously, they signed Joe, McCoy and Ontario and then they drafted. Neville gala more. They do also technically have. Tristan Hill returning for his second year after being taken in the second round last year, so. I mean the more the merrier right I mean who who else I mean. Who who else on that Eagles team at the current Eagles team would you rather add to the current cowboys team? Then Fletcher Cox I have a hard time finding a better answer. Which is why that is my answer Fletcher. Cox Put him on the cowboys and that would be a lot of fun. And then you know this is also kind of a two birds. Ones don't think then you don't have to play against Fletcher Cox. That'd be a lot of fun. And a great sigh of relief at least two times a year so the eagles. Sorry Fletcher Sorry Eagles Rather Fletcher Dallas Cowboy in this hypothetical now. Moving onto the new, York giants. This one thought was the most. This one was the most debated when I was reading the article and I was looking at different aims and things like that in the first place, my mind went to him. Being honest was ingram. That's just the first place that that my brain naturally jumped to and on Kelsey mayor going to get into things you kinda forgot. Can you believe Evan Ingram's entering his fourth year in the NFL? That's just flew by. But you know. I thought man, imagine adding this, not the Zakar it's, isn't it? But this dynamic athletic tied in to the cowboys instead of Jar, whatever and I know that some people are saying we'll blue joins donation you can you can, and maybe he will be on a consistent basis, but Evan Ingram would be fun but I just. Speaking for myself I think I think I over evaluate Evan Ingraham La in thinking about him and I think part of that stems from in one of my honest dealings I have. On that squad, and so maybe you know how that goes like guys on your fantasy team. You just kind of like inherently have a bias towards them and so thinking more about it. I still don't think Ingraham is I rather. I don't think that Evan Ingram is the pick. If you're picking a giants player to put on the cowboys, obviously, you have to take cooper rush. But in all seriousness. To be feared to be fair not to fear Do you remember no fear? The brain May and those are some good, but I thought about well Hernandez. But I just I mean if you have the opportunity to, and you could add you know. Layin Johnson. If you really want to, you know what I mean you could. You could add offense of Lyman, but I don't think that that makes a big enough dent kind of exerts Zach, Ertz, and so thinking more about it, and thinking about what the cowboys need. Obviously they help at defensive tackle, which is why chose Fletcher Cox for the Eagles and you think about it. Leonard Williams is a new. York giant remember the cowboys thought about trading Leonard Williams, themselves up until the giants did it, and that would have been you know. Maybe we wouldn't have had to play this game if that had ultimately. Shocking out that way but. The player that I. Think if I'm adding any new. York giants player to the Cowboys Dexter is a name that maybe people will throw out, but I'm going to go Dalvin Tomlinson. Dalvin Thomas Again. Not Fletcher Cox, but a defensive tackle that we can work with. We can figure this thing. We can move forward with into the future and so I like that pick a lot and again I think this says kind of we know if you if right now we talked about what the weakest points of the cowboys roster was I think our number one into answers would be defensive, tackle, and the secondary and you know. I don't. I don't think New Yorkers really have secondary players worth taking. So. That's why you know I'll take Fletcher Cox and Alvin Tomlinson now. I said the Fletcher Cox was the easiest answer and I lied. Because the easiest answer is when it comes to Washington, there is only one answer, and it is chase young I don't know what that says about the rest of the players on that team. Doron pain is obviously an interesting answer, but again that speaks to what the cabs need in the interior of their defensive line, but if you could put chase, young on the cowboys, opposite of demarcus Lawrence Dude. I mean that's why I'm saying. It's it's not close. It's it's by far the easiest slam dunk sort of answer. So that you know there you go. I. Think it's a little bit interesting. If you play the game, having had an offensive player. Because then if that's the rule that I am adding Zacher and then I am probably adding. Evan Ingram and then I might be adding Terry maclaurin. From Washington. Maybe we interview Terry McLaren by the way at the Super Bowl that is way deep in your blog on the boys podcast speed. If you want to go back and listen to interviews can the blog on the Bush podcast feed is your home for all blogging. The boys audio programming make sure once again to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. From every NFC EAST team. Would you put on the Dallas Cowboys? Let me know I'm on twitter at. Also at our show on the Graham deems are open. If you want to give me a shout like I said you can email me. RJ DOT AT ESPY NATION DOT COM new episode of girls, Talking Boys with Kelsey and made coming your way later today. They're going to remind you of all the things that you forgot about this season. We of course. Have you covered all week long for the best dowse coverage on the Internet blogging, the boys dot com do me a huge favor. Have the absolute best. Monday of all time you know why because you deserve it. We was human. My friends is always go cowboys in peace out.

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FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: The Look Ahead previews PHI NYG

Bleeding Green Nation

13:13 min | 11 months ago

FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: The Look Ahead previews PHI NYG

"The following segment is from the look ahead on the SP nation NFL show where we we're discussing your favorite team subscribe to the SP nation NFL show to make sure you don't miss conversations like this one and you set it and everyone's been saying a NFC lease and all that. But you know what the division is still up for grabs. Your fan of the giants are a fan of the eagles you're watching this game and you're interested and so a note that the records aren't good but it matters. Yeah it does I've I've said this had big blue view. It's it's amazing. It's embarrassing. It's annoying it's it's all of those things. But you know what? It's also a game that has first place implications as weird as that seems, it has first place implications. So it's a big football game. Yeah. It's between two bad teams, but it's a big game. And that's what you care about as a fan. So we're GONNA talk about it as it is a big game big news for the Eagles in that Lane Johnson Andrew Sean Jackson look like they're going to play. They were limited in practice on Wednesday but Doug Peterson. said, he thinks they're going to play as a giant Fan ed are you a little nervous now the Carson Wentz is actually going to have somebody to throw the ball to for. A change well, you know from from a giants perspective, we're not really allowed to talk about that that particular Disease Sean Person We're just just not allowed to talk about him. You know it it's bad mo-jo whatever we're just not allowed to talk about that particular player. Carson wentz almost beat the ravens last week without eighty percent of his offensive line. His top three receivers is topped two tight ends and his best running back for most of the game. Starting to get some weapons back maybe he can kind of round into form and look a little bit more like that guy that was in the running for MVP a few years ago. You know it's amazing. You you listen to to the folks in Philly you read. Read bleeding green nation. and. You know they're they're ready to to throw Carson Wentz off of a bridge in Philly you know they they really are but Carson Wentz Carson Wentz is a good NFL quarterback i. mean he's not rodgers but he's a good NFL quarterback. I mean this guy has been running for his life all season he hasn't had lane Johnson. Brandon Brooks Andre Dillard. Jason Peters, what does he had for an offensive line I? Think I looked at the stats. The other day he's he's on pace to be sacked sixty, six times this season sixty, six times I think his career high in times he he's been sacked is is somewhere in the thirties. So the guys running for his life, he's got no, he's had no receivers. How is anybody in that circumstance going to put up any numbers? So I mean, I, haven't studied all of the film of, of Wentz, this year if you want to say, he misses an open receiver once in awhile fine. But if you can't protect your quarterback if you've got no one for him to throw to. Then in his numbers are GonNa Stink you sound strangely sympathetic for the guy that runs big blue view no I'm not sympathetic but but I understand this because. People spent years criticizing Eli Manning, and this is what I said for years and years and years he drops back. He's getting killed and he throws the ball to a bunch of guy. Sui Pretty much introduced himself to two or three days ago. So you know A. I mean, there were years when the guys giants were picking up free agents on Tuesdays and play in Amman. Sunday. And you just can't succeed that way I just you know I guess point is I understand that Wentz is a better player than his numbers indicate and I keep looking at this affiliate team and you know I've said it to Philly people before it's like they won the Super Bowl. Three years ago and I thought they were set up with a young roster cost controlled roster of of guys I thought they were set up for a nice long run and it just hasn't happened now windows closed fast in the NFL I mean, look at the rams, they win the Super Bowl couple years ago missed the playoffs last year for nine years or in the Super Bowl last year this year starting off struggling I mean things life comes at you fast as the kids say and you know they are trying to work their way through it now and hopefully getting some offense back with the return of he who shall not be named. Yeah we we don't mention that name and we also don't punch to him either we do not. I watched that highlight actually this morning I don't know it came up my twitter feed in is incredible that number one that they punt to him and then number two, he fumbles the ball series it comes to them then he just picks it up and flies to the ends out. It like the parting of the Blue Sea. And then immediately I, I'll never forget this. They smash cut to Kaufman coming off the sideline looking like he's going to murder the punter and you know. After that year, Matt Dodge never worked in the NFL again. Jackson ending careers over here. On the giant side of things Ed. For you know, we talk about the eagles struggles on offense the giants are worse. The giants can't score at all. They've only scored one hundred, one points this season it's the third lowest in in the entire NFL I know saquon Barkley hurt and that that obviously is a factor but you gotta be able to score points offense never been easier what's going on? Well, you're absolutely right. You've got to be able to score touchdowns in the biggest thing with the giants has been lack of of what everybody refers to as explosive plays. And some of that comes from not having Saquon Barkley. Many some of that comes from. Sterling Shepard having been out for a while. I think some of that also comes from really not using. Evan. Ingraham. Correctly, the giants are using him on a lot of short quick little throws rather than getting him down the field. or at least getting him on crossing routes where he can try to outrun somebody and get up the field. But the other thing of it is Daniel Jones has made several critical mistakes in the red zone at the goal line this year that have cost the giants touchdowns. You cannot drive the ball for nineteen plays like they did against. Pittsburgh. And come away with zero points. You cannot drive the ball for fourteen plays like they did. I think against the cowboys and get down inside the ten yard line and come away with zero points, you just cannot do those things are actually I think that was actually against Washington the other day, but but you can't do those things. And take points away from away from your team in the. NFL. Games. Come down to a handful of plays and you just can't make those those kinds of critical errors. Yeah. I've said it on this show I've said on other shows sometimes playing quarterback is all about the worst thing that you do during a game and the worst thing that Tena Jones does is he's Either turn the ball over or just putting the ball on the ground and those are Dr killers absolute drive killers especially when not only do you take touchdowns off the board but when you turn it over, you take field goes off the board to. Everybody if you watch. NFL Game. Every quarterback makes a handful of mistakes during a game. Every quarterback will miss an open receiver once in a while, every quarterback will probably. Throw, a ball once in a while that he probably shouldn't have thrown. Daniel. Jones, just has this. Or so far in his career, he has this this habit. Of. Making those. Mistakes. At. The most spectacular we awful times imaginable. That's that's not a good quality to have for any back. Let along the guy that you're hoping is going to be your franchise guy for years to come when it does come to that offense to me this season right now with who you have out there the most aspect of it is Daniel Jones running the wall. Do you think we're going to see some more designed runs for Daniel Jones? He broke out last week what did he have a forty nine yard run like he can scoop and that's the best thing you've got going for you. If you're the giants I, think you have to I think you almost have to because they're not getting the big explosive plays. In the passing game, the way that you'd like to. devante Freeman is a nice running back. He you know they've they've figured out what he does well but. We talk about explosive plays and I've seen a handful of plays over the past two weeks where. devante Freeman gets to the second level. Any you know maybe eight yards downfield and he's one on one with a safety and I'm thinking if that's Barclay, that's fifty and he's gone. And And devante freeman gets his yards and goes back to the huddle. And it's a huge difference. It's a huge difference when you know he's a good solid running back. But he's but but he's not going to break that fifty yard rone's not GonNa make people missing run away from him in the secondary and it makes a big a big difference I mean that said the giants have to get better on offense. I don't know if that's you know I'm GonNa. Let you pick this game I. The eagles are giving four and a half in this one Far, be it for me because a little disturbance in the pod, but I have to go with the Eagles in this one at I'm sorry it feels to me like the giants are just beaten down. It feels to me like they don't expect to win any games that they've just sort of resigned themselves that this is a loss year even though they're still technically in it, I don't feel a sense of urgency from the giants with the Eagles I do I mean they're getting beat by the Ravens last week and they almost come all the way back if Doug Peterson calls a better two point conversion play that game is tied up. At the end of the game there. I, feel like there's urgency from Philly to Sean Jackson is back. Maybe they start to get a little bit Healthier Carson Wentz playing better now than he did earlier in the year and I don't know if you're aware this ed but the eagles are going with the black jerseys and they are five and no against the giants when wearing their black services. So the eagles allay the points all good things all bad things come to an end stats always they always come to an end and I look at it this way they can be eagles like you said, they're five and zero in their black jerseys. There they've beaten the giants seven straight times. Beaten the giants. Twenty out of the last twenty, four times that they've played but I'm going to disagree with you on the fact that I think that that the are beaten down I think that when I look at these teams in the NFC east, the cowboys should be better than they are. The Eagles should be better than they are, and maybe if they get healthy, maybe they will be better than they are. But right now today as we do this show, the giants are one and five. And I would make an argument. That based on the way they've played the team that might be on the upswing in the NFC east the team that might be getting better in a week over week is the giants I just have to believe that sooner or later they're going to beat this team. They're going to beat the eagles sooner or later this has to change and and maybe I'm wearing my blue colored glasses. But but I'm going to pick the giants to pull the upset tonight and believe it or not. I'm the only one on the big move you staff who has made that pick. So maybe I'm wearing the blue colored glasses you know maybe maybe I need to go see the doctor I don't know. La Again I have lost a lot of money on streaks to end at. I. Will say that Yeah but you know there there's no money I'm just I'm just recommending other people spend their money I'm not spending any of my own that's the best way to do it make sure you don't miss our next conversation by subscribing to the SP, nation NFL. Show wherever you get your podcasts

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Answering your questions on a Twitter Tuesday

Big Blue View

22:04 min | 2 years ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Answering your questions on a Twitter Tuesday

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Edvin Thein of big blue view in today's show. We're going to do something that we really haven't done here at big blue radio at least not done enough of we are going to do a Twitter Tuesday at our website. We've been doing mailbags for quite a while now and recently almost all of the questions that we have been answering have been coming through the big blue view mailbox at big blue view at g mail dot com. Haven't actually had to solicit questions from our Twitter followers for quite a while. So what I thought I would do this week. I. I asked for questions on Twitter to the BBB mail bag and today what we'll do is. We will answer some of those questions that I got from our Twitter followers as we build up to the two thousand and nineteen NFL draft. All right giants fans. Let's get started here quickly with our first question. Joe burst wants to know could the giants. Go tight end with the seventeenth overall pick. Joe this is kind of an interesting one I did an appearance with Pat traina unlocked on giants earlier this week. And Pat asked me if I thought there was one sort of outside the box scenario that would sort of turn the draft on its head for the giants and the one that I mentioned is actually taking tight end actually at the sixth overall pick one of the things. That that we know TJ Hopkinson of Iowa is considered to be the best overall tight end in the draft. I know there are fans of Noah font as well. But for the most part Hopkinson is tight end one on most draft boards. What we also know is that the giants need some receiving help after trading. Odell Beckham, you know, they have sterling Shepard they have an Ingram tight end. They signed golden Tate. They're bringing back Korey Coleman in but they could still use a big wide receiver. And there are some who believe that that big wide receiver could or should be Evan Ingraham. To take Hopkinson at six or seventeen. If he still happens to be available, and to be honest. I don't think he'll be there at seventeen to take Hopkinson would allow the giants to play Angra m- more on the outside. Now, do I see this as a legitimate thing that the giants would actually do probably not? There are too many needs in other places too many connections between the giants and and Ed rushers defensive lineman. You know, they have needs at corner on defense. There's always the possibility that they'll take a quarterback somewhere along the way. So you know, offensive tackle, even perhaps the center position. I think all of those things could be more likely than using a pick on a tight end. And or a skill position player like a wide receiver like like decay Metcalf. For Hakeem Butler or Nikial Harrier, whoever you happen to to think is value at seventeen on. But if you want a scenario, that's that's outside the box. That's possible. I do happen to believe that Hocson is a player that the giants are attracted to so as an outside the box scenario. I would simply say keep that one in mind. All right. Let's move on to another question. Jay pollard. Eight eight eight wants to know what sense. Does it make to lock in on defense with the sixth pick? And to think that the giants just take a quarterback at seventeen. Isn't. It more doubtful that if they subscribe to not reaching for a quarterback. It's a bigger reach at seventeen taking the third or fourth quarterback rather than the second best at number six. Well, I look at it this way, it's how they set their draft board. If you're at number six, let's talk about quarterback if you're at number six and the top quarterback ranked on your board. If you're ranking prospects say one to fifty the top quarterback on your board happens to be, you know, for argument's sake will use Dwayne Haskins if you were. Board says that twain Haskins is the twenty fifth or thirtieth or thirty fifth best player than that's a massive reach to take him at number six, especially when you have so many defensive players who should be ranked in the top ten on most draft boards, the value in this draft and value is something that the giants talk about consistently the value in this draft in the top ten appears to be largely on the defense side of the football. So that is why I think the giants are so often connected to to defensive players to Quinton Williams. If he happens to fall to Josh Allen, if he happens to fall, Montas sweat. Rashawn Gary Brian burns, Devon white. Perhaps, you know, someone Ed Oliver perhaps someone in that, you know, someone out of that group of players. I think that that is where the value is at number six in terms of number seventeen. Once again, let's let's say that it's Dwayne Haskins. And let's say that that he's you know that he's ranked twentieth or twenty fifth on their draft board to take him at seventeen if they feel like he's a quarterback they could succeed with that is closer to realistic value. I don't see it as I don't see it as that much of a reach to say, oh, you know, if they didn't like this guy at six what you know. Then then why should they like him at seventeen because the value is closer to what they have on their draft board. If you know if that's the way, they want to go if they don't think the quarterback is value at six, then you take the player, you think can really impact your defense. I continue to believe I continue to think there's a strong possibility that the giants will not take a quarterback at all in the first round. Maybe they'll take one at thirty seven. Don't know. Maybe they will take someone like Daniel Jones at seventeen, but I'm not buying this argument that if he's not value at six than he's not value at seventeen. I simply don't see it that way. Alright giants fans another question that we have here comes from David freed and David wants to know. I don't see a lot of mock drafts with the giants taking a right tackle in the first round. Whereas I believe that is inevitable. What odds are you giving that the six or seventeenth pick is a hog, Molly? Well, David, let's put it this way. Haag molly's exist on both sides of the football offensive and defensive lines. I think we've established that somewhere along the way, you know, the giants will be, you know, we'll be paying a lot of attention to the defense in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Pretty much. We you know, it would be a surprise at this point if the the sixth overall pick is not a defensive player most likely affront, seven guy, you know, and more likely than not an edge guy or an interior linemen. You know, like a Quinton Williams. You know, an edge guy like a Montas, sweat or Brian burns as we've talked about were, Sean, Gary, you know, whoever happens to be on the board there. I think that I'm not sure that I by the fact that you know, quote, unquote, not a lot of mock drafts have the giants taking a right tackle in the first round. I think that we quite often see, you know, someone like John Taylor of Florida if he falls to seventeen mach to the giants we see Andrei Dillard of Washington state or Cody Ford of Oklahoma mocked to the giants. And I think all of those guys are realistic possibilities for the giants in the first in the first round. So would someone like like if you wanna center Garrett bradberry would be guy, you know, who would get consideration in the first round if he's there at seventeen I look at six seventeen and thirty seven and have said this before you look at quarterback you look at right? Tackle you look at pass rusher. You look at cornerback. And if you really want to you could probably throw in wide receiver as as a fifth area, but focusing on those first four. Positions. I would think that somewhere in those first thirty seven picks where the giants have six seventeen thirty seven. I think you're going to see the giants hit three of those four areas. And I think right tackle is a huge priority. So at seventeen or thirty seven I think, it's very very very possible that the pick for the giants at that point in the draft would be a guy who could slide in at right tackle. Let's take a quick break for word from our sponsors. Then we will come back and answer more of your questions here on this Twitter Tuesday. Listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted MA finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show the M a our each Monday, we speak with top athletes of MA from world. Champions two rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. Plus, we answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation. And I want to tell you about my new show. It seemed smart. It seems mart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up a mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall, don't do anything smart. All right giants fans. We're here on the Valentine's views podcast, and we are answering questions from giants fans for a Twitter Tuesday edition of our show. So let's get to our next question. Observer man, twenty four wants to know he says, I know everyone wants to upgrade our coverage unit. But should we look at taking coverage linebacker more than taking a cornerback? We obviously have to give Sam Bill and grant Haley chance to prove themselves, and I think taking the linebacker would solve our inability to cover tight ends and running backs. Observer man, I look at it this way, I've said it many many times I continue say it over and over the giants need help. They need upgrades. You can argue at pretty much every position along their defense. I'm not necessarily. I don't want to obsess about a coverage. Linebacker. I think Cornerbacks possibility at seventeen someone like Brian Byron Murphy, I think it's a possibility at thirty seven. It's a possibility in the third round. I think the giants absolutely have to upgrade their cornerback. You know, I'm not buying the notion that we that the giants have to give someone like grant Haley chance to prove them to prove himself. They will undoubtedly give Sam Bill along. Look they drafted him in the supplemental draft sacrificed a third round pick this time around to do. So they're going to give him an opportunity if they can up grade from grant Haley, they're going to try to do that. If they can add talent at the cornerback position. They're going to try to do that if they can add a good linebacker somewhere along the way, they're going to try to do that. I'm not going to sit here and say linebackers. Important than cornerback. I quite honestly don't think that it is. I think that what's important for the giants is to add good players at as many levels of their defense as possible when it comes specifically to cornerback. One of my views has always been that you can never have enough. Good quality coverage players so any Cornerbacks that they want to draft. I'm going to be in full support of of them doing just that drafting guys who can cover players in the back end of their defense. All right. Our final question for today comes from barchi, man. And he wants to know he says Dave Gettleman prefers quote adults. The last time fat Shurmur was a second year. Head coach the Cleveland Browns took a twenty eight year old Brandon Weeden in the first round. Do I have any concerns that the drains will look to draft the safety? Safest least dynamic quarterback if they take one in this draft. Listen, I think that what the giants are going to do if they take a quarterback isn't going to be an isn't going to be to take the quote, safest choice. I think they're going to take the player that they believe in. Whether that's a guy who looks like a safe choice like Daniel Jones. You know on paper. Maybe it's a guy who's a a flyer Eknath. Let guy with a with a huge arm like like a Tyree Jackson, you know, later on in the draft. They're going to take the player they think fits what they want to do the best. They'll take a quarterback at seventeen or thirty seven or later in the draft. You know, if they think it's value selection. You know, maybe later on in the draft that guy is Ryan Finley guy who maybe doesn't have the greatest arm in terms of arm strength, but also happens to fill a lot of the or check a lot of the boxes that Pat Shurmur likes in terms of personality in terms of accuracy, in terms of anticipation, a lot of those kinds of things. So, you know, I don't think it's about being safe. It's about selecting the guy that they think. Is right for them. And I've said this bunch of times maybe that guys in this draft. Maybe they take a flyer on somebody this year. Maybe they use a second or third round pick. Maybe the guy that they want isn't in this draft at all. And that's okay. If they don't take one if there's a guy if there's no one they really believe in no one they that Pat Shurmur says I really want to coach that guy which is one of his his things that that he says when he's asked about you know, what does he think about when it comes to quarterbacks in the draft. He one of the questions he asks himself is whether he really wants to coach that player. And and maybe Dave Gettleman has said, you know, he dreams about dropping a franchise quarterback or getting one for the giants. You know before his time as general manager is is over with. It's it's entirely possible. That guy's not in this draft class. And if he's not then that's okay. Okay. You don't take a quarterback just to take one? You don't take one because the media or the fan base or Mel kiper says that you should you take one because you believe he's the guy that can lead your franchise. And if there isn't one of those guys in this draft class. That's okay. If there is one they'll take one, and you know, they know they have to find a long-term replacement for ally. Manning, they know he's thirty eight years old. They know he's on the back side of his career. You know, they know his time is short. So they'll they'll do what they have to do. They'll do what they think is. Right. 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New York Giants Tight End Offseason Evaluation Show

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25:57 min | 7 months ago

New York Giants Tight End Offseason Evaluation Show

"They welcome back folks to our next position. Evaluation show here on big blue view your source for new york giants news and analysis. If you're looking for more breakdowns news. Anything on the new york giants head to big blue dot com where you can find all of our fantastic content and as well if you want to keep up to date on all of our podcasts. Hit that subscribe button and leave us a five star review if you enjoy listening to the show so far. We've done multiple physician groups. We've done quarterback group. We've talked about the running backs. They're now moving on to tight ends. Which is overall pretty disappointing group. And we're going to break down some of the problems that we saw this year from all three guys kevin smith of ingram and levin toilolo. And then we're going to get into for the second half of the show. What to expect for the off season what the possibilities are for specifically evan ingram and then maybe the possibilities of some draft selections in the middle or the end of the draft even possibly first round if they want to go with a very specific guy that chris has talked up a ton so guys. Let's get into discussing this though in the overall disappointment and the first angle. I want to attack this on. Is i feel like. We had an expectation that from jason garrett having really good production with his tight ends understandably he had jason witnessed as his tight end for the longest time in dallas. I think that we maybe thought that we were gonna get not at that level but at least quality production out of evan engram but it seems like the usage from all three guys. In particularly evan engram was was very questionable. The one play that we were talking about a little bit before the show that we've talked about a ton during the season there was that one stick route play. Where every time. Evan ingram or if it wasn't ingraham it was was typically evan ingram it either led to a deflection interception or some type of turnover and they kept calling. It just never worked so there were a lot of things i think. What the with the offense of playcalling in the scheme that didn't really benefit these tight ends and we just didn't get the production. I think that we were hoping for coming into the fourth. Year of evan ingram. It just seems like that's the story of an ingram's career. He had that promising rookie season. And we're all excited about him. First round draft pick had all the athleticism is just needs to put it all together and then he deals with some injuries. It's like hey you know only has some of these injuries going on there. Nagging injuries kind of affected his play then going into this year. He was a fantasy darling. Everyone's to call bingo. Jason garrett's offense. It's going to be his year and then it just did not happen. The actually was kind of a detriment. Despite the fact that he was a pro bowl selection because how many times he had i think two fumbles that resulted turnovers. You had i think three interceptions that were directly basically his faults ball bouncing off of his hands popping up to a defensive back and being intercepted it was. It was not a good season for evan ingram. And it's a big. The opinion of him is incredibly low among the giants community. And there's reasons for that and it stinks because you know the guy goes in there. He tries incredibly hard. And everyone kinda hates hearing that at this point. And i think it's blocking has come along but he definitely is not known for his blocker. I mean his frame just doesn't suggest somebody who would be a blocker and right now we're just like well. What exactly does he do. Well other than the fact that when you get the football in his hands in space you can make people miss go back to his rookie year. We talked about the stick route. Strangely enough the stick nod was an almost indefensible route from him. He scored a a bunch of touchdowns with that route. But then again you talk As time goes on he did pick up some injuries. Some little things and his usage changed under ben mcadoo his second year then under pat shurmur be saw him do just nothing but three and five crossing routes than we. I think we all kind of hoped under jason garrett a more vertical offense. He's obviously the giants best. Their best option for an ex like receiver didn't think is maybe the most accurate way to put it but then he didn't get nearly as many of those opportunities as we thought he would. He wasn't put in great situations. He didn't react terribly well when the ball came to him like you said he had drops he had fumbled yet deflections and also the. I don't know if it is that the giants quarterbacks do not trust him or if he does not trust the giants quarterbacks or what. But one thing joan. I wound up remarking on pretty much every single game. Was how the quarterback. And it didn't really matter if it was daniel jones or cole mccoy especially on that stick route would stare at him from the moment. The ball is snapped until they threw it. And there would there would always be defender right there so it was just disappointing from everyone involved and then also disappointed in canaan smith. I don't think he took the step forward. Any of us expected him to and levin toilolo all had all of what five or six receptions. So he basically got paid a million dollars per reception and honestly. But i just want circle back to ingram before we hit on kane smith levin toilolo. I was just so perplexed. How you know a guy that is supposed to be a a height weight speed guy to an extent six. I think he's a costa to thirty but runs at four four the expectation with a guy like that and i think what would lead to what most people would expect with a limited knowledge football that they're going to beat a lot of tight ends are sorry not sorry a lot of linebackers in coverage so i just didn't understand why even over the past couple of years with different offensive coordinators. Why we didn't see and you met. You mentioned this. Chris why we didn't see more vertical route concepts from ingram. Because i just don't understand how you expect him to get open over the middle the way that they were using him it just. I don't understand why they were not trying to stretch the field with the guy who was arguably the fastest receiver that they had out of the group. I mean if we're talking about pure speed. He was one of the fastest guys he was one of the few. They had a lot of really fast guys with good forty times but i just felt like they were constantly trying to pigeonhole him as a different type of tight end when he's not really even a tight end. That's the argument that i've always made here. Is that and you mentioned it. Nick not really built to block. He's never been a very good blocker he's been able to kind of get the job done but never at a level that you're like yes. I want him blocking on on on third in one he presents no threat of doing that and it almost begs the question of you know if he's going to just end up running some type of divergent in those situations but i just. I was just so frustrated. Why they didn't try to use him as a really big receiver and it's just constantly been trying to get into play tight end when he's clearly not going to be successful as just being tight and he was more successful doing other stuff in college as well. It just for me. Evan ingram overall. I think why were frustrated with this. Group is that you know the drops the the errors on the field and then not even being properly used. I think is a big contribution to why. He's just not lived up to the hype that we thought he was going to get from him. I think the proper use thing is definitely accurate. Joe and also just divas coordinator. See him on the line of scrimmage and they're like oh yes we're going to attack him with our primary edge in trying to block someone like tj water. Something like that to circle back a little bit to the vertical aspect. I think we all agree that we would like to see him. Used a bit more vertically downfield like the catch against the bengals. That was really good. And then you go to the time when you actually want. The line of scrimmage with the next release against the eagles got and then he dropped the past so there were times where he was used in that manner. But i just don't feel like it was enough really. I feel like it was way too. Many stick routes like we already kind of alluded to and it. It really is frustrating. Tell the giants especially early on the season jason. Garrett put a precedent on getting the ball in edited ingram's hands we saw it on and around scored on and around against the dallas cowboys. We saw with those quick little stick routes that just one of the football on his hands and have him make a play but the errors manny errors just kept compounding and compounding and it just it became this just this really unfortunate thing for this young player and i i think you. I think it's a a lot of people's problems to be honest. I think jason garrett the best of jobs getting ingram the football in the most advantageous ways they realized. We don't have that many great playmakers try to really feature him and he doesn't necessarily have the hands to do it in those quick stick type type situations where he runs five yards down. The field quickly sinks his hips and turns back to the quarterback. Because that ball's already coming out and he doesn't have the kind of reaction skills with concentration skills that kind of hall in those passes he also catches the football really weird. I i always say. I know we went to ole miss. He was a rebel but he might as well be a florida gator because he shops paul does not catch it. Well it's very very awkward type of motion for and ingram. But i mean he's still an incredible athlete and i hate to say but he's more of an athlete than a football player at this juncture. Really isn't i mean sucks. And it's kind of disrespectful to say things like that but i mean can i. Is there an argument against it. No i don't think so. I think when you get to your four if you see because when you come in the nfl and you're in your first round pick an early traffic. I think ultimately it's sometimes you're not going to be fully developed. Those guys are not fully developed. A lot of those picks are teams banking on upside. And i think the giants at the time saw while this guy's a great athlete. He's he's got good size. We can make him a deployable weapon. We're going to figure out how to use multiple coaches later. No development later. He's basically the same guy in you. Don't you have to go from an athlete to a tight end. He still an athlete athlete's after four years. They don't stick around guys like that. They can't figure out how to play the position that they're supposed to be playing. Don't stick around. This isn't college where they can. Just throw somebody out there and make plays some. You have to develop some type of role in the nfl. Absolutely one play that. I think worked for the giants but that's slot vert with golden tate. A reason why a lot of those were open was because it was a three by one set with ingram. Two point stance. Tight to the line of scrimmage. He would run that deep horizontal cross. Take that centerfield safety. That middle of the field safety away allowing golden tate to kind of have success in a one on one situations. I think that was one. Play that jason garrett used at an ingram and was like okay. That's a smart way to use him. Kind of as a diversionary tactic for a player. Golden tate who. Let's be honest. I mean he's just a little bit over the hill. But we need to see more of that from jason garrett. And he's coming back for another year. Evan ingram's gonna be there hoping the giants have some more skill position players and then they can kind of unlock a different aspect. Different explosive acts aspect to this offense. But we just didn't see enough last year. But that's one instance. Where do it in several games. That's that's a solid move right there by garrett and just go back to you know talking about when he was drafted as kind of an athletic movable piece. I really do think when he was draft. You think back to the giants that that previous year their offense was basically neutralized by two man a cover to shell men men coverage underneath. They didn't really have any kind of player. Who could attack seems who could exploit the exploit vulnerabilities of that style of defense. And i really think. That's why jerry. Reese went out and got evan engram as somebody who could you know if defenses wanted to try to lockdown sterling shepherd and nobel beckham. Well then fine here is a hyperth- leading tight end type player. Who can run. Those routes who can get vertical. Who can attack the voids in those coverages. Go ahead use him. Rip those pages out of the defensive playbook and you know for some reason we just have not seen that carried forward through any of the coaches after you know maybe a few plays in two twenty seventeen. That's exactly what we needed somebody to split the split safety. Looks and not somebody to block for ally. Manning bobby eric flowers were the starting tackles that year. We don't need to go too far into into the past a good point to throw in there. But i do wanna hit on just to wrap up this this conversation on what we saw from the tight end group during the season cadence smith and levin. Toilolo i i don't know why but in in chris and i were talking a lot about actually. We do know why. Chris and i lot before the season. We're talking about how. Cain smith could emerge as one of the better tight end twos in the league. There's not a lot of teams that have a really strong tight end pairings and we didn't really get a whole lot from kane smith not really much of a onfield contribution from him. I feel like he was blocking lot which is good. And he ended up grading really well on a bunch of a bunch of random games where he had a couple of catches per. Pf but levine. Toilolo i think was. I wouldn't say he was disappointing. But it's just like i don't even know why he was there he he just was out there to get called for penalties. I feel like only usage was just getting called for really dumb penalties and then he would come off the field. I don't think he's coming back. I think living toilolo is the one guy that we can say out of. This group is probably not returning next season. Which is probably the best to be honest with. You did not look like the block. He was built up to basil bit over the hill. He's center gravity pad level or way too high but to kane smith point. I think we can all agree. Wanted to see him a little bit more involved as a receiver battle. Want to knock him for that. Because i don't believe that was his fault of the system. His main role in this system was to be the polling tight end on those counterplay which was the base run. Played the giants love to ron and honestly man. He was like sweet tooth from twisted metal because he ran around with his hair. On fire is absolutely emulating. Linebackers actually really impressed me from blocking standpoint. I think he took a jump from year. One to two. And that's what. Joe judge jason garrett wanted the offense but i do wanna see him a bit more involved. I think he's capable of being solid receding option for daniel jones. Yeah i'll agree with that. You know. I think he is a good good solid tight end to. I'm not sure if he's ever going to be a t e one the guy you can be out there to have out there in eleven personnel and trust to be the primary blocking tight end as well as a receiving threat. You know the guy who kinda scares linebackers or is out there benefiting if the giants are able to find a true number one x receiver and do all of those things that you ask a good number one tight end to do but you know that doesn't have to be his role yet. He's if he can come in and be a good t to that is absolutely fine. You need those guys to and we're gonna end up talking a little bit more on what to expect from this group very soon and i think this is a good time. The transition that focused to what can we expect. And what do we think could possibly happen with this with this tight. End group and evan ingram specifically. We're going to get to that very very soon right. After we take a short commercial break so to illustrate wherever ingram currently sits. He's got one year remaining on his contract. That contract from think of spo track. That i got from. He is expected to make six million dollars in his final year. I believe it's his fifth year option of his his rookie contract. That then puts out a couple options here where they keep him on the roster and the see what they get out of him. He's probably gonna start if he's definitely going to start if you still here And they try to see if he can play to the level that they've hoped that he could in a contract year and we. We tend to see that we tennessee guys realize like damn if i don't play good this year next season i'm going to be making less money. I need to go out and you to step things up and have a really good fifth year in my in my year in the league. So they're probably going to. That's one of the options where they can see what he's capable of doing a final opportunity to get a feel for what what he's able to do and the other option which is an interesting one to consider is trying to trade him this offseason which he's always been floated out there is his name has been always tossed out there over the past couple of years of maybe being traded to the patriots always keeps getting brought up. Maybe the giants do seek then avenue of trading him. He's a cheap tight end. They could probably get like a mid ishr round pick for him if they tried to do something like that if they tried to get rid of him but for me those seem like the two best options trading him seeing what he can do re-signing of afi looks good. Letting him walk. If he doesn't do. You guys kind of agree with me here. That that seems like the best option for ingram. That's pretty much where i am right now. I think brought the more likely if the two options is to treat this year. Twenty twenty one as just a one year proven deal. You'd basically treat him as a guy you picked up on a one year contract. See what he's got if he can produce rate because his ability to make big plays when he's on. I don't think anybody can question that. He is a guy who can scare defenses but if he doesn't show up or if he may even play a little bit too well you can afford to let him go but then they're also is a question and i think it comes down to what kind of value you get for him. I i think the josh mcdaniels presence. And also i believe a bill. O'brien is back with the patriots nobil. Brian's now who alabama. Oh that's right. yeah. I knew there was a save invalid. Lincoln there somewhere but the way the patriots have used their tight ends in in the past. That would be a good landing spot for him. I think i could. Also maybe see him going down to Like jacksonville zero one trend. I've kind of noticed. Is that when dave gettleman trade to player he. He tends to send them to. Maybe a. we'll say maybe ascending or rebuilding team. He's probably wouldn't trade. Evan engram to kansas city for instance. I think it would. It would all depend on that. Compensation obviously exactly. And that's also another reason why. I think maybe jacksonville just because they are. They have so many picks right now. Where if they decide they want. Want to take a swing on editing room for trevor lawrence. They've got picks spare. It's not like a team that would be. Maybe you get like a low three or a low forty four him. Maybe you could get you know something decent. But i think probably a one year prove it. Opportunity would be more likely i. I agree with chris. That's what i think. I think the the coaching staff and just the giants general. Really like evan ingram. I like that. They like the fact that he has this incredible work ethic and he's always working on his craft and i also look at it from a trade perspective. Why would you offer anything. That's not late. Why would you offer anything above a fifth round. Pick for a player who caused multiple five turnovers last year and kind of led to the giants losing some games in spite the fact that he was a pro bowler. I get it but he had a. He did not have a great season. he's going to be a free agent. Maybe next year. So i i don't know team would do that right now. In trade those draft assets unless they really wanted a tight end. Who has that. High athletic ability can't really block all that well that was already a proven commodity of quote unquote. I guess you could say because rookie tight ends come into the league. They tend to struggle so that would be one in jacksonville. I think's interesting team that you throughout their chris. But i think it's going to end up being him playing one your deal the giants young on the same page with you guys here. I i think that the chances of him staying in trying to see what you can get out of him is probably the best and ultimately if they do decide to come into this next season keeping mellon the roster not even considering it. There's still a potential for them to eventually trade him before the trade deadline at the trade deadline so that i think the fact that they if they hold onto it it gives them more options. I think is a little bit better. But if they're doing well and they're winning. The probably not going to get rid of evan ingraham but the i think the other avenue that we can consider now is. If evan ingram's got one more year left you want to light a fire under his ass and then you also want to have a guy that can step up immediately in their second year. Whenever ingram has gone. I think that opens the door for the giants to consider drafting tight end. And i feel like we're we're always bring up these groups and saying that the giants are could draft the guy at any of these positions. But when you're trying to build a team you need to have good strong depth. You need to have young guys that can step in and contribute the probably not going to spend a first round pick on A tight end. And i know chris. I know that you're just chomping at the bit to talk about why it's gonna kyle pits but that one to me is possible depending on how they value. Kyle pets. I think hyper actually had kyle pits as the giants first round selection. So it's not impossible. I think the guys like brennan jordan and pat fryer moved probably a little bit more off the radar. Because they're going to be you know early to somewhere Somewhere on day two but the rest of the guys if they're going to take so many think it might be a little bit later on. Well obviously if the giants draft kyle pits at eleven. They're not drafting a tight end. They're just drafting a really big wide receiver. Stay on brand year kyle pits. That would be really interesting. I think you're you're onto something with it would be a bigger type of wide receivers. Not exactly the best. Most effective blocker a lot of people like to make ebony ingram comparisons because of that. And that's just very disingenuous to kyle. Pascal pits is an exceptional receiver. You his receiving skills are outstanding. I'm not just talking about catching the football talking about body adjustment body control. Just they report that he had a kyle track on his back. Shoulder throws how smooth. He is in those kind of aspects. He's not gonna be somebody who's going to be a receiver just the able to create separation with a pure ability but his route running ability to win. At the line of scrimmage all of these things just lead to him being a good receiver and not necessarily just a tight on. I'll i'll be curious to see if the sino. The giants love twelve personnel. I would be curious. The giants would wanna bring in a a tight end quote unquote even always more receiver that struggles with blocking a at a at a high rate. That's why i say if you're drafting him you're drafting him as a receiver. I would go so far as to just name him the x receiver and be done with it. Like i know you could create a lot really interesting match ups. And as i say this i realized i'm going back over ground we've already covered back in the wide receiver. Show yeah but you create a whole bunch of interesting match ups with kyle pits but why make things too complicated. Just make him an ex. Leave him at x. Let him be plaques part two within maybe a little bit later on in the draft. I gotta say dream kitty at georgia. He caught my eye senior bowl. They did not use him as a receiver at all. I think he. I think he caught even fewer balls than levine toilolo. But he looked really smooth and he had wanted to highlight catches of the week for me with that kind of almost a diving. One-handed catch i. I thought that was great. I didn't think he had that in him. And he's a solid block or already murky. He was for those who don't know you went to flip the state and he transferred to jordan going. I'd like six catches in twenty twenty and then he goes down to the senior bowl and he shows pretty good receding skills. I also think you get throw kennedy abo- his name in there. The kid from old mris another one. Who has solid receiving skills if we're going to go with blockers later. I really like boise. State's john bates who went down the senior bowl. He was somebody who really showed that he could hold the edge really well. I think these are the types of tight ends jason garrett and and joe judge dave gettleman wont when they run. This heavy personnel packages. They need tight ends. Who could hold the line of scrimmage. Doing john bates. And maybe even justin rigged from kentucky are solid. Needs a pay attention to. If you're looking for blocking tight ends which i do believe they should add someone like that so last note that i just wanna throw out here before i wrap up the show and the more that i consider it chris the more that it makes sense to me that kyle pits is going to be the selection because regardless if they take kyle pits giants fans are going to be pissed. Because it's going to be as we've talked about here another tight end that is more of a receiver than a blocker and then on top of it. It's just like every single time that we think it's going to be somebody else that ends up being the more unexpected name. That's taken off the board by government. So if it's going to happen if it's going to be the most random player possible taking it. Eleven pits is probably the most random player that we can think breakers that we're back to Marvyn wilson ripe may never know we know that Good old. Dave loves his is big media is is we talked about on the defensive tackle show. That is coming out on thursday folks. Thanks for tuning in victor. To hit that subscribe button. Leave us a five star review in also had to big you dot com for more giants news and analysis. We'll talk next week folks.

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The Chris and Joe Show: 2020 Giants TE Preview

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27:02 min | 1 year ago

The Chris and Joe Show: 2020 Giants TE Preview

"Podcast listeners. We Are Amazing Avenue, the espy nation new. York mets site I'm Chris McShane and every week. Brian Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets. Automated Avenue audio the show. We try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view, and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails. Give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on apple podcasts on stitcher. Wherever you get your podcasts and let's go mets. Listening to the Chris Joe Show on. Your radio, your go-to source for New York giants and else's. Talk His Story. This is Chris Joe show presented by ESPN, Asian and big group I am. Jillian joined the by. The analysts breakdown guys for big move your source for giants, news and analysis we are continuing yet again onto the third show where we are previewing every single position group on this giants roster literally filling you in on every single guy to some extent in each position group giving you something so you know where they stand on the roster. Could they make the roster? Could they see an increase rolled? All of that good stuff is what we have been covering so far. We've done the quarterback show. We've done the runningback show if you missed out. Out On those I fully encourage you to go back and listen to them. If you're curious on who may be the backup quarterback will be or who you think are want to know will be the second and third running backs on this giants roster today's show yet. Another smaller position group before we start diving into the very deep position groups that being the tight ends, even though this is going to be a roster spot that only holds likely three guys four. Depending on what Jason Garrett wants in in terms of personnel groupings, however currently has. Seven, guys, there are currently seven guys that are on this giants position group after Free Agency after the draft after undrafted free agency. So this is already a really really deep group Chris and there's GonNa. Be a lot of competition for that third spot. And also for competition to make this even the practice squad. You don't really hear that that often that there could be competition. Make the practice squad of all spots. Yeah, and this is a group that there's going to be changed from the last couple of years due to the retirement of Rhett, Ellison, so that opens up a spot on the on the fifty three man roster for tight end. who wasn't there last year to potentially make it? And we've talked a lot about envied ingram and I presume that's where we're going to start today. You guessed right Chris as we're GONNA. Talk about the lead man, the guy that has showed so much upside so much potential has had a role where he's taken over games. He had an incredible rookie year with a depleted receiver group for the giants a few years ago, but instead what we've seen, though as of late is when he's on, the field makes huge splash plays huge production. However, it seems like he has an off tendency to not remain healthy. It's almost as if he's. Almost athletic for his own good that his body can't really hold up from taking all of these hits coming across the middle of the field and we've talked about. In detail already on previous shows about how Jason Garrett is going to use Evan Ingram. If you WANNA go back in tune to that, show fully encourage you to. We don't want to be too redundant. In those conversations, we see a lot more usage in the future forever ingram if he's on the field, the real conversation that we want to have today, though is, is this now? The make or break year forever, Ingram, they extended him. The gave him his fifth year option on his rookie contract. So that means he has this season and. And the next season to prove that he is worth a long term extension to stick around with the New York. Giants and the tight end market will likely be reset by then by a top player that you might know as George Kill, but Chris. Is this going to be that? Make or break year, even though it's a year before his final year of his rookie. Deal the I think it could be you know I. think that Ingram in the giants are in a position where if he doesn't play up to his potential yet the. kind of play. We have seen from him. kind of play we know is capable of. I think the giants might look very seriously at either finding a trade partner for him or just not picking him up after his fifth year. I do believe that if Jason Garrett does get creative with Ingram decides to use his athletic ability. Send him down the field, not across it those Sick of seeing three to five yard, crossing routes with Ingram. I am just add I am sick of that I. don't want to see it again. Whatever page that is on in the playbook. If it's in the giants playbook, tear it out. Burn it. If Jason. Garrett does get creative with him. Uses Ingram's athleticism to. Supplement the giants receiving core. He could have a big year, and he could earn a long-term extent that could be a great value if he can't give them receiver like numbers from the tight end position. If, he doesn't know I think we could see him could see the giants approach a team that does use the tight end position that does make does make great use of the tight end position like the Patriots Potentially A. Buchan years although Bruce Arians never has we do know Tom Brady does love him some tight ends. The colts, maybe the forty niners I. You know we were talking about this pre show. Don't think the League wants to see Evan. Ingraham paired with George Kettle I don't think the League is ready for that. But. We could see the giants tried to move him and get something some kind of return for him. If he just isn't working out for them last season, he only contributed in eight games, and it was yet another year where he didn't make it very far. The way that I see that this strategy is working for extending him, and this is pure speculation, but I think that the thought here was all right. We got our new. Regime in a in a in a new offensive play style that favors tight end usage. We're going to get. Jason Garrett his guy and he's GonNa play hopefully really really well, but if he does not stay on the field for at least thirteen fourteen games, then it gives you that extra gear following this season in twenty, twenty, one to explore trade opportunities I think Evan Ingram. Despite the injury issues still has enough talent that the giants could say we don't want to waste any more time with this and other teams would be willing to. Take, a chance on a guy that's extremely talented, a game-breaker, but might have some injury issues I think some teams that are in desperate. Need of a huge playmaking tight end would be willing to that are also in a contending position would be willing to put their best foot forward and say are. We'll send you a fifth, or maybe if we're feeling generous, fourth rounder I understand. That doesn't sound very lucrative for the giants, but if you get only eight games again, the giants are probably going to be willing to trade him for whatever they can get, so they don't have to pay them, or they have to let them walk in Free Agency and someone else ends up reaping the benefits of the spoils of letting him walk. Yeah, I! Think that might almost be the worst case scenario where. For some reason, the giants decide to let Evan Ingram walk, and he winds up on a one year proved deal with one of these teams that really makes great use of tight ends, and they wind up getting a thousand yards and eight touchdowns out of him. And the giants don't even get a topic for them. That I think would be kind of the worst case scenario. The giants backup tight end. Honestly Chris I'm more excited about the backup that is cadence. Smith while I have very high hopes for Evan. Ingram in what he can do this next season. I still very much loved, and if you've been listening to the show for a while. I loved what cadence Smith did last year. When he stepped into the spotlight, his production wasn't anything too crazy, but in six starts. He had thirty one receptions, two hundred and sixty eight yards and three touchdowns, so was an outlet. He had a couple pretty big statistical games some games where he wasn't really. Much of a factor I think that we saw early on what cadence Smith can be and we haven't talked a ton about kids Smith during this off season, but I honestly think that Jason Garrett is creative enough he he's probably GonNa work in some more twelve personnel and find ways to get both of them on the field because. Frankly. They both are really really good. Receiving options especially CAIN SMITH WHO's taller than Evan Ingram, potentially using him and also heavier than editing room, using him in the red zone as some type of red zone threat I. don't see seem carving out a serious role, but I know that we're going to see a lot of usage from him, considering that he is one of the more underrated receiving options on this giants roster, and I am on the record as a big Fan of the twelve personnel package. I have the potential of two tight end set I. Think Ingram and cadence Smith together could. Could have a lot of intriguing options where you can play it kind of traditional twelve personnel set, but you could also move ingram out as receiver. You can move cadence Smith out as a receiver. We saw he could do that last. Your you can move move either one of them into the Backfield as basically a pseudo twenty one personnel to back set, so you can do all of these different looks all of these different alignments, and the versatility of the those two tight ends, and the fact that we have seen them be productive. We have seen them stack up. Kevin Smith was probably the. Brightest point at the end of last year the the way he came from basically nowhere to step up and I fill in for Ingram. When read Ellison went down with basically what turned into a career ending concussion? He stepped up again and proved that he could be reliable. He could be reliable blocker. He could be a reliable receiver having to guys like that. Maybe neither one is the best tight end in the NFL. But a twelve personnel package with saquon Barkley in the. Backfield Sterling Shepard Darius Slayton Evan Ingram Cayden Smith. That's at least a personal package you can work with. You can do a lot with that and it presents a lot of different matchup issues. And if you have to really good tight ends, that can be receiving options for Daniel Jones. You can run a lot of Mesh concepts with both of them to. Set picks off of one another and create space for the other guy, just pick up a few junkyards here or there in second in short third and short, because you have those big bodied box out receivers and one of them being quick enough to explode for a lot of extra. Now the the biggest. Question here now for the giants tight end situation and I know this. This sounds like it's not the most interesting thing, but it's it's has to be the one thing to watch. Is. Who is going to be the third tight end I? Don't see four guys sticking around on the roster. It's usually very rare that teams will keep around four guys, but right now you have Levin Toilolo Eric Tomlinson and Garett Dickerson, all competing for that third spot, and all three of them are very different sizes of very different builds, but they'd all serve the same exact per purpose, which is being a blocking tight end all three of them that that is really the only upside that they truly provide is clearly clearing lanes and opening up holes on the outside. Maybe he catches a pass just to cause some. Confusion and keep a defense on their toes, but that's about it. He's going to be blocking for you yet. That an Toilolo in Tomlinson particularly in that. That is their game. You know Toilolo is just massive at six foot eight and I've mentioned this before. We started recording I was looking at a picture of him when he was with. The Atlanta Falcons sang extra coach and. My God his legs were up to the coach's chest. It's kind of ridiculous Tomlinson. He's a little bit smaller, but again very similar. He has actually been in the NFL for a lot longer than I thought. He entered the NFL in Twenty fifteen, and has been with the eagles, the Texans the jets, the giants, the Patriots, the raiders and the giants. And in fact, the last four teams have all been since twenty nineteen. So. Those guys if the giants want a pure blocking tight end, the probably be picking one of those two guys. dickerson has always been a little bit of a disappointment I. Know Pat Shurmur coaching staff loved him. He was really versatile. He was kind of an H. back. You know the tight end fullback hybrid. He could play out of the backfield. He could play detached. A little bit more on the athletic side little. Offer some upside as a ball carrier, either receiver or runner, but he could either never stay healthy or Never really. Produce when he absolutely had to said I. Think this is kind of like a last chance for him. But I'm with you I think. The real competition here is going to be between the three of them and. If the giants, what kind of third tight end the giants want and if I'm correct, I believe Levin Toilolo is the biggest tight end in the league in terms of height at six foot, eight to sixty eight, so he's like you said massive, massive massive guy, and really his role that you're going to be getting out of him is. Strictly primarily blocking. Handling Defensive, ends as strongly as possible I mean he's so big that he's almost like an added offensive Lineman to that point, which which honestly helps him out a little bit with sticking around and staying on this giants roster. We've got two more players. That were undrafted. Free agents that we're going to touch on, but before we get to them, we're going to take a short commercial break. Following the draft, the giants signed Kyle Mark Way Out of South Carolina and rice in John. The Canadian from Simon Frazier Pretty. Unknown Small School there. However, Racing John is an anomaly in such an odd guy. Really talk about because of how big he is also his transition from another position. He is six foot seven, only two hundred and twenty pounds over, because he was used as a wide receiver in his time at Simon. Fraser so the real talking point here with Rice and John Is. He is more developmental he is. Is Not, really competing for that final roster spot for the tight end group. He is a guy that might take a few seasons because he is so raw, but if you can unlock what he has could be a very very good option in this tight end group. Yeah, he is really intriguing like you said. Former wide receiver is just based on his size is converting to tight end, maybe more of a hybrid tight end. I, sincerely doubt he is to. He is still two hundred twenty pounds in. If he is, he will not be to twenty for much longer. Just given his frame and you're. Still, a young guy he is. Almost, certainly going to be adding on weight, and he has plenty of room to add mass and get stronger your I. Really would look at him and just pencil him in to the practice squad, unless he is unless he is really impressive in camp and in preseason and the giants. Can't take a chance on cutting him I. Don't want to be too absolute in this statement, but I honestly think that rice and John is one of the closest locks to being on the practice squad out of anyone. We're going to discuss because of what he offers as a developmental prospect. They're asking him to switch positions, but he has a very very unique athletic makeup, and some people were saying that he runs a very fast forty time. He's very quick for a guy. His size almost like a an elusive basketball player, a small, forward or shooting guard at the size that he plays that. And I liked that in a tight end. I think that that the coach is like that in a tight end, as well is having an additional piece that eventually in a few years once he gets up to two forty. He will be that that really really good, third tight end, but right now because of the level of plays coming from in the switching of positions. It's going to be a bit of an uphill battle. What makes them a? A lock for the practice squad is the fact that they're investing in the development of him if he if he was already a converted tight end, and he didn't have as much upside. I wouldn't really consider him for that, but because of what they're trying to get out of him, and what? We can Kinda Soom what they're trying to get out of him. He seems to be a pretty clear lock for the the practice squad. Yeah, no just. Reading! Up on him. Simon Fraser is the only Canadian schools to play American competition and they were. Doing so at the D. to level so. that. That is just a massive jump up to the NFL. And to do that and change positions that it would honestly be almost a miracle for him to make the active roster. In fact, even his head coach told at Valentine that basically the goal and a victory for him would be to make the practice squad. That's where they're looking right now. And John I think is actually going to turn out to be not turn out to vote has potential to be somewhat of a diamond in the rough. Type of a prospect. We're talking again. Just talking about where he's coming from these coming from this tiny Canadian school at the division two level if you can get out what he potentially has an unlock that he could end up being a really really good, third, third, tight end and a few seasons, the last player Chris is Kyle Marco as they set out of South Carolina and folks I'll be completely honest with you. I know Kyle I trained with him at test. In Martinsville New Jersey during my pro day prep. He was one of the guys there. He was one of the top prospects there as well behind Kyle Murphy as well. And getting to be up close and personal with with Kyle, a great guy, and at six, three, two fifty, he might be a little bit better off being used as somewhat of an h. back kind of like what we were talking about with Garrett Dickerson, because he's such a similar size each explosive, he's a really strong, strong player and athlete, making him likely being used more as a blocking style tight end. For those various reasons, so he also could be a clear cut practice squad guy because he's undrafted. He's got a lot of veterans to compete with for that third spot, but maybe in a few years could find his way onto the roster roster of another team. Yeah, and maybe he could have a clearer route to the giants practice squad if the giants do decide to go with Garrett dickerson. If they decide to go with that h back style of third tight end, while then maybe they could also try to stash mark away as a potential backup. In case, something happens to dickerson. As competition for him down the line to wrap up today's show as we've done with every position group, we're going to talk about the guys that we think are going to be cut in sent home as well as potential spots for the practice squad. From what we've discussed that the clearest cut players are Tomlinson. In Dickerson, they are the most likely cuts because of Levin. Toilolo like I said before the commercial break practically being an extension of the offensive line. You're going to bring him out there. In those short yardage situations to bully, not so much bully, but be able to be an extra hammer, if you will a battering ram against defensive ends to clear a little bit of additional room out of any of these guys, I think that additional size makes him all the more intriguing as as that third. Only used as a blocking. Tight end yet if the giants want a blocking tight end to be their third tight end. Tarlo is kind of the obvious choice. They've got athletic receiving tight ends for your at the top of their depth chart with Ingram cadence Smith. So if they really want that big kind of. Slightly undersized offensive tackle. That's Toilolo and unfortunately the numbers game doesn't work out for Tomlinson and Dickerson in terms of guys that are going to likely be on the practice squad. Chris. I wouldn't be too shocked if we end up with two tight ends if they really fall in love with with what they're getting from rice, and John and Kyle Marco away. If you were to pick one guy, though if there could only be one player to make the practice squad. Who Do you think that would be would honestly say if it would have to be rice and John just because of. How. Much he has to learn you know he has to get bigger. Get stronger. Learn the tight end position learn. The. The style of play in the. Coming from a D. to Canadian school. The potential payoff as converted receiver with that receiver background with that level of athleticism. He brings if he doesn't lose that as he gets bigger the upside, there is potentially tremendous and I don't think the giants are going to get rid of that out of hand. I think they're going to try to keep that around. If at all possible I kind of Said Yep, oddly there with that question, because the the way that you you respond to, that makes me think even more to the fact that they're gonNA. Keep both guys on the practice squad I don't think that's going to happen guaranteed, but I think that there's more of a likelihood than. Most people would expect because all like all the stuff that we discussed Rice John has so much upside. They don't want to just let him walk free. They want to keep them in house and work with him. I would doubt any other team would be willing to sign the sign him to their roster as their last tight end, so they could very well keep him around continued to develop him, but. But I see mark away because he's younger as if someone gets hurt, you could quickly call him up in a short pinch to be that final tight end the rest of the guys out of Tomlinson, dickerson, the only one eligible if I'm correct, is Dickerson to be on the practice squad, and he's already been around for two years and he was a Shurmur Guy, so that's not really in his favor. Yet the this really is i. think kind of Dickerson's last chance with the giants like if. If. He doesn't impress this summer. He's GonNa impress some other team. Certainly, so I would not be again. I would not be shocked if the giants decided to keep both undrafted free agent tight ends because of the circumstance of wanting to. Progress Rice and John into this position switch and make them into a huge playmaker because they're so hung up on the potential and then. Having an a young player that if they needed somebody in a pinch has special teams upside can come in, and could come in and play if they needed to on a short week. If someone got hurt during practice, it mark, way would make a lot of sense to keep around. That's GONNA. Be It from us. Folks here on the Chris Joe Show. Thank you for tuning in as always if you love the show, if you're fan of big blue view and listen to our podcast, please go give US A. A review and let us know what you think. Show, give some positive feedback. getting net positive feedback really helps us understand what you guys like as well as just giving us the motivation to understand that you guys really love listening to the show in addition at be sure to follow us on social media at show. Dealey own. Paul Chris at Raptor M. K. I, and you can also follow the main page at big. Room you as well as heading over to big blue, you dot com for more giants coverage. Hi I'm Brian and I'm one of the hosts of the amazing. 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The Chris and Joe Show: Breaking down the final to the Eagles

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24:02 min | 1 year ago

The Chris and Joe Show: Breaking down the final to the Eagles

"Are you troubled by strange. Hockey trades in the middle of the night do you experienced feelings of dread about. NHL Free Agency have you or your family ever seen in New York rylander scheme. If the answer is yes. Don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts. From espy nation today are courteous and efficient hosts Are Ready to serve. All of your islander needs worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans. You're listening to the Chris Joe Show presented by SP nation and and big blue view on Jodi joined by Chris. Foam as always giving you the instant reaction to the recent giants games. And this is the final last quick. Take show of the two thousand nineteen season our inaugural year of doing the Kristen Joe Show and sadly it does not end on a high note because because the giants lost thirty four to seventeen against the Philadelphia Eagles finished with a four twelve record in two thousand nineteen in very underwhelming considering the expectations of some especially us at the beginning. This season saying there is a chance they could win. Six to seven games and that that did not happen because of a number of losses in a lot of close games but staying on the topic of today in this very specific game they simply lost this game because the eagles or a little bit more than simply but beat. The Eagles very clearly wanted this win more and for obvious reasons. They needed the victory to earn a spot in the playoffs and they showed a tremendous amount of heart and fight to secure that which showed the previous week against the Dallas cowboys replicating eating replicating it again today. This is obviously a giants podcast. We have giants fans listening. We are giants fans but of the other. NFC East teams. I I have to say my least hated is the eagles. I at least respect their franchise and before we get onto kind of dissecting this loss loss I have to give props to the eagles because it was mentioned during the broadcast that they have one hundred. Seventy eight games worth of players injured appeared at one point during the game. There was a waiting line for the blue medical tent. That is frankly ridiculous for them to fight through that get themselves into a position where they were able to control their destiny and keep fighting. Keep playing keep winning. Despite the fact that they they had basically starters at every position out they I'm not even sure Carson Wentz new the first names of the guys he was throwing the football too and they they still look like the better team on the field. Kudos to the Eagles Kudos for Doug Peterson and honestly. That's kind of indictment of the giants credit to Doug Peterson over the past few seasons being able to rally a team no matter what level of adversity. They're really going through and I even said it in the staff picks six if you happen to read that and I said going into this game that the eagles no matter how how nice it would be for the giants to spoil their spot in shot of making the playoffs. It's the eagles. Were GonNA come out far more motivated. Just because they have Doug Peterson leading them and they showed that fighting the previous week against the cowboys so they earned that spot and winning the NFC east. They're going to go on and probably shock. Whoever they end up playing in the first round I don't know it off the top of my head but they will probably Lee shock whoever? They're playing a chance of that happening. This is underrated football team. That even though they have a lack of talent at a number of different positions are capable of playing at a high level and I would attribute that mostly to their coach. But we're going to take a look at this game specifically in what we noticed our quick reactions. That was our very first reaction because it came to both of our minds but the first positive reaction and the only positive reaction we have from. This game is rookie tight. End undrafted tight end. Cain Smith looked really good again. He had another stellar performance. Eight receptions for ninety two yards he was was illegitimate threat in option. Four Daniel Jones in this game creating a lot of opportunities and able able to pick up a bunch of chunk plays he did have a ball that was fumble that he recovered but still looking really good for an undrafted guy. I think he is a piece that can be built around or not built around but having him in the lineup can be built around in using him as the second tight end. Yeah definitely Cayden. Smith was really the bright spot for the giants today and and he has kind of been the bright spot for them over the last four or five weeks he got his opportunity and he has really run with it I think he has just spinning ahead. Slightly really made. Rhett Ellison expendable and I think he and Evan Ingraham are a really nice one to punch at tight end going forward especially assuming the job will be able to figure out how to use Evan Ingram and send him down the field and use them properly but really Kudos to cadence Smith. He had a really nice game he had. He has had a a really nice end to his rookie season depending on whoever is the general manager after whatever moves are made. I really do hope. Cayden Smith Smith is kept around. And there's an intent to keep him around as I was saying he's a good building piece in this young lineup. If you ask him in there he's not going to do anything in crazy because he's not your number one tight end but Evan Ingram always has injury problems so if you can plug him in and he can go out there and block well and also catch which passes very very well be a red zone threat. That's good to have that depth and also to have a player at such a cheap price being an undrafted player so it needs to be focused on trying to keep him around and continue to develop him into potentially talented second tight end. Now now we're GONNA move onto the negatives but before we do that are very short commercial break contour from Cox has all your favorites all in one place and with the contour remote mode you can use your voice to fund them on live. TV On demand and streaming APPs like netflix prime video and more see Cox dot com for details. Hi this is Karen Swisher host of Rico Decode. It's been an incredible two thousand nineteen for our show and we recently honored with awards by Ad Week. They named Rico decode the best technology podcast of the year. And the podcast of two thousand nineteen over all. So if you haven't checked us out yet there's never been a better time to start. Enrico decode I interview people. You need to know in tech and beyond about power change and big ideas some of my guests. In two thousand nineteen have included Edward Snowden Nancy Pelosi Ronan Farrow Meghan Piano and Kathy Griffin. You can find some of our favorite episodes at vox dot com slash decode. That's Rico decode echoed in award winning podcast that you should check out today. Thanks and happy holidays. So as always as whenever we have a loss we have significantly more negatives than we do positives and these negatives really really stand out out and they all were a leading force in the loss in today's game and in the first one that needs to be addressed. Here is something that we talked about. Every single game they had a poor offensive performance an inability to stay consistent and that is just disparity in play calling and what I mean by. That is that they were throwing the ball way too much. In comparison the amount of carries that they were giving to Saquon Barkley. And I was saying I said this I say this. Every preview show that Saquon has been healthy is get him touches. Relieve the pressure off Daniel Jones at Halftime Dino Jones had thrown twenty-one care twenty one passing attempts and Saquon Barkley had five rushing attempts. That first half is very key for establishing consistency assistance and creating momentum with with the offense they only had three points and it was very clear because he only completed eleven passes on twenty one attempts. That's way eight to many passing attempts in one half. He should never be throwing over. Twenty passing attempts in a half for a young quarterback Saquon Barkley clearly. We saw him able to break free. On a sixty eight yard touchdown once he was finally given an opportunity to pick up a big gain. And when you have a home run hitting running back like that. Maybe maybe he doesn't pick up big gains early on the game game. But eventually you give him that Kerry he's GonNa score a touchdown you just have to keep feeding him and wait until that happens during the Broadcast again in this. I believe it was in the fourth quarter. They showed his Barclays carry total. And it really did look like an old Barry Sanders Game Yo. Three yards two yards negative one yard sixty six yards four yards negative. One yard zero yards zero yards negative one yards sixty eight yards and that is the sort of thing that happens when you give volume to Barclay. He will have a lot of carries where he is just trying to do too much or the defense is able to swarm to him and get him for not much but then all he needs a sliver of daylight and I have to give credit to will Hernandez for his block on that run he was blocking some poor linebacker about twenty yards downfield. That was just brilliant. I know somewhere. Duke Manny Weather. Who is a friend of big blue view? Oh he coaches offensive lineman. He knows the oil better than anyone. I know somewhere. He was celebrating watching that. He didn't he probably didn't care about Barclays Rotten but he was celebrating that block. And that's sort of thing that will happen eventually and I am always in favor of getting more touches to to your best players and even if the giants wanted to throw which given the state of the Eagles secondary and how good their defensive line is I can at least understand understand that from a conceptual game planning perspective. But if you're GONNA throw throw to Saquon Barkley get him his touches. Get Him in space. Get Him mm-hmm is that get him that daylight and then let him do what he does. Best let him run the ball more but also let him get those touches just however however you can manufacture them just put things into perspective here sake on and the whole rushing attack. Only a twin carries saquon had seventeen carries himself self compared to forty seven passing attempts. Just you know. Put a quick stack correction out there I ESPN updated their stats. It was eight receptions for ninety eight yards for Kane Smith which is all the more impressive but the the one thing that really stands out to me though is what I was talking about. How the fact that before he broke out he was not really picking up a lot of yards? Are you at eleven carries for ten yards and SAQUON. Barkley is the type of player that you need to get him more volume in touches until he breaks out for a big run like that in general though I just did not understand some of the play calling because they were throwing it on early downs and getting incompletions which was leading into second long and being in second along or third and long mixing very hard on a young quarterback in an offense that is having trouble against a a good defensive lines so it was putting them in a bad situation in the big thing that angered me. This whole season is that every single time it was second and five or shorter. They ran the damn ball. I could call out if they were going to run the ball up the middle to Saquon and if you could have guessed in this game. He was. Tackled tackled loss on those plays. Finally when they stopped doing that and they started running the outside. They ran a counter for a sixty eight yard touchdown. Things like that are gonNA work but when you keep running up the middle title and the opposing team knows. It's going to come if I can tell it's GonNa come from sitting on my couch then. You're clearly doing something wrong. So we don't even know if Pat Shurmur is going to be back but just something as simple as that is a clear indication that play calling is a severe issue. The giants have a tendency and they have had a tendency for a long mm time of just falling into these predictable traps. Where if us at home know what their tendencies these are going to be? You know opposing defenses. Know what their tendencies are going to be. And that's why on those second in short runs. Barkley clues getting met. Behind the line of scrimmage. The defense knew they were coming. There's one other thing that I'd like to mention just before we move on a little bit and it's also with the the play calling and that was passes to receivers in traffic yes. The giants receivers are not great at creating separation but the Eagles Defensive VACs are not great at are not great covering and you can scheme open players yet. The Eagles were keeping eight men in the box for most of the game. They're either playing cover one or cover three so they were able to stack the box and really try to force Daniel Jones to beat them he threw into coverage on basically thirty two percent of his throws even with all of the injuries the Eagles Sustained Carson Wentz only through into coverage on twenty percent of his throws. And as I said before. I'm not even sure he knew the names of the guys he was throwing too. He was thrown to guys who were activated off the practice squad this week and he was still oh finding more open ground to throw into receivers while some of that is on the players. The giants were thrown into. It was also on the on the play Calling Falling Into coaching in the scheming and the play design so I just wanted to get that out there to the second negative we have is the same thing that happened in the last game and the thing that we spoke upon the preview show is that the giants need to be prepared for Boston Scott so mile sanders goes down with an injury and immediately all hell breaks loose because the giants giants defense does not have the speed to tackle someone that is smaller and a lot shift ear and better with a lot of free space around him than anyone. that that can really make a play on him so he gashed them for multiple touchdowns had a big day and had a lot of big chunk plays a specifically on a screenplay green play which was just good decision making by Doug Peterson in the offense because he knew that James Becher would be over aggressive in third and thirteen eighteen of all situations and decided to throw a screen opposite of where the pressure was coming from WHO's easily read and that opened up a huge amount out of space for the shifty. Boston Scott to pick up a first down and almost a touchdown that really was a great catch by Scott as well but he she has become the eagles new giant killer. He really does remind me of Darren sproles and I didn't WanNa hang on him before the game but after the last two times the giants have played Philly They've found their new Darren sproles yet he might only be five sex in the short guys represent but he is just incredibly ably dangerous and the giants do need to add some speed or a lot of speed to their defense to deal with him and all the other fast players who they are going to have to deal with next year final negative we have and this is just a very overlapping negative. It was thought that I was thinking of love when I was finishing up our outlined in our notes and it it just over two laps the whole situation this season but specifically this game and it also leads into the next talking point we have overall. This team fell apart in the fourth quarter. Which is coaching the? It looked like players. Were not giving giving up but it just seemed like they're like Oh this game's over. Let's just get out of here. It didn't seem like there was a ton of fight. Seems like there were a lot of issues pass asked protection of disappeared in the fourth quarter despite looking pretty good early on in the game for the first three quarters to turn overs occurred and then defensively like I stated stated. They were absolutely gashed by once in Boston. Scott for a number of first downs also to some of these no name receivers just it seemed like Shurmur could not rally the troops whatsoever as soon as this game started to fall apart for the giants yet. And that's kind of something. We have seen all season long. They would have quarters like the giants had the third quarter where they will look like a good competitive football team but unfortunately it is usually only one quarter. They'll be kind of okay. KINDA SORTA CAn't get it get out of their own way for two quarters and then they would fall apart and really this year as a whole the giants have been a team. Where if something goes wrong? It is very likely to snowball and you're right. A lot of that is coaching. Some of it is the players on the field guys who it might not be too sure which again comes back to coaching. But guys who might be at something of an athletic disadvantage or they're trying hard but just aren't aren't more than role players but really this year it has seemed like if one bad mistake happens like like the fumble fumble on on a poor snap from John Hall appeal. Then another mistake will happen. Is the giants try. Hi to try to overcome that mistake instead of just putting it behind behind them and getting back to work and then the mistakes just seemed to snowball the pass ask protection breaks down like you say receivers will drop passes and they really just have not been able to overcome that this year and that all comes down onto the chemistry and the mentality and the identity of the team which is created by an established by the coaching staff staff. And if you're giving up in allowing mistakes to snowball and continue to build up that is just because of the coaches inability need to create a healthy environment now onto prefacing. What we're going to discuss tomorrow tomorrow is black Monday? Which is the day that is typically when most head coaches are far? We already had a firing today with Freddie Kitchens being being removed is the browns head coach. But there's still a number of positions that could be open and moved on from particularly the giants being one of them so tomorrow. We're going to be giving you a breakdown episode depending on what happens with the giants coaching situation so stay tuned. We'll be providing reaction action to whatever happens if they remove Pat Shurmur or Dave gettleman. We will be putting something out in reaction to that and in addition to The review show or we might do it in one episode so stay tuned for whatever content we end up putting out we will have both pieces of content content in some format one or the other so before that does come though that opens up the question of what we're going to be seeing tomorrow Oro on Monday and is is will pat Shurmur and Dave gettleman survive. Will they make it through Monday. We'll either of them be retained and brought back. What do you think Chris? There's I seriously doubt that Shurmur is brought back especially after the way this game went down. I do not know about Dave gettleman. I don't know if he would be retained fired outright or perhaps just stepping back and retiring even if he might feel he still has work yet to do with the giants and perhaps he feels he does have the team going in the correct direction yet. He's sixty nine years old. He's had a battle with cancer. Answer he did say when he got hired. He wants to find a quarterback for the giants and then retired Cape Cod. Well he he. They've got Daniel Jones owns and maybe he will take that off ramp and that would be a way for everybody to save face and maybe let the giants move move in a new direction. Get a new head coach. Who might not who won't have to worry about well? We'll my general general manager. Be on the hot seat as the giants take on the AFC north and NFC west next year. Maybe that would be the way to go. Otherwise I I'm really not sure what happens. I agree with you on the Pat Shurmur. Firing the fact that they're going to be going out on such a lower note in the final game. It is going to completely decide this thing here. I don't think that they're gonNA waste any time they're probably GONNA fire. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear anything by the end tonight. Or if something something happens before this is published Because there's a very very good chance that he is fireboat as we know from the giants owners from Steve Tisch in John on merit the things about things the right way. They might wait until tomorrow to make that decision and get rid of him but I don't see him making. Ah least past the end of the week. They're not going to keep him around. He is not done enough to develop and improve these players especially doing a number of things when it comes is to time management. Play calling decision. Making a lot of things have factored factored into why he should not be brought back as the head coach. That being said though Dave Gettleman I don't think that he has done enough to keep himself around. But I really. I really don't think that the the owners for the giants will be willing to completely scrap this thing and start over because if you remove your general manager there's a chance for another rebuilding phase if you bring in someone in. It's a little bit slow to get going so I think that they're gonna see what happens with Dave gettleman and try to go from there. There's a chance that they could both be fired. Which is why you should stay tune in and see what we end up talking about tomorrow and if they do end up getting removed we will be providing a reaction to whatever happens all that being said though please make sure to rain subscribe wherever you're listening to us? Also follow us on social media at Big Blue View. You can follow Chris and I at Joe Deleon D. L. E. O.. Egan Fall Chris at Raptor. MTA wonderful are you troubled by strange hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experience feelings of dread about h free agency. 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The Chris and Joe Show: Previewing for Aaron Rodgers and the Packers

Big Blue View

23:36 min | 1 year ago

The Chris and Joe Show: Previewing for Aaron Rodgers and the Packers

"Are you troubled by strange. Hockey trades in the middle of the night do you experienced feelings of dread about. NHL Free Agency have you or your family ever seen in New York rylander scheme. If the answer is yes. Don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts. From espy nation today are courteous and efficient hosts Are Ready to serve. All of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans only thanks Joe show per minute you buy. SPF Nation and Biglou move you. I'm Jodie Leone joined by Chris as always and we're going to be giving you the preview for the upcoming match up for the New York giants is they're going to be taking on a very dominant very good Breen Bay packers team that is currently eight and three on the year like we do every preview. Show we're going to be giving you nope the offensive and defensive game plan in a kick things off today on today's show offensive game plan up. I they spent a lot of money in the off season upgrading. Their defense fence after dealing with a lot of issues in the past few years spent a ton of money and they're able to make some pretty big additions since Chris. Where do you think are their strengths on their defense? I think you have to start the edges with Preston. Smith who giants fans should be familiar with after. You're all of his time in sacks with the Washington redskins and disastrous Smith who has just been playing great for the packers both of with them half. And really you're the both of them have had really really good years and we're going to talk about them in a little bit but I think one of the other groups that has significantly lately improved and starting to look really really good is their secondary so they drafted darnall savage out of Maryland and he has proven to be a very good safety as a rookie. The also have a jar Alexander Kevin King and they also brought in a June Amos so a lot of guys that are above that a- above average threshold that have done really really good Darnall savage is someone who really stands out to me because he is a rookie. He's able to track the ball. He's able to move from sideline to the sideline very very well just because he's really really athletic. All of these guys are young and all these guys are very explosive yet and you mentioned savage savage the folks who are listening to this podcast last year during our draft. Prep they should know. I loved savage coming out. I really hope to the giants would draft him because is his name. Fits him perfectly. He is just a savage safe he does he flies around the field. He hits hard. He commits fast and he generates. Big plays is not a surprise to me that he is playing well as a rookie. And you pretty much set. The packers have spent money. They invested heavily in their defense. But I I think they've gotten their money's worth. Yeah they have gotten their their money's worth with that so the next next key thing that we wanted to discuss here on their defense is something that you already alluded to which is Preston Smith Inza Darius Smith there is no relation. But they're still a very very good outside linebackers and pass rushers. Currently the season Presence Smith has ten and a half sacks ends. The Darius has ten of his own so it is really only a dual threat. Double headed monster on both ends of the pass rush. Maybe they send both of them. Maybe they only send one in drop one and coverage. They're both good enough to do that. And they're both very very underrated in how good they are when they were with the redskins and the Ravens before before they signed with the packers. I like not a lot of people talked about how good they were now that they're finally in the spotlight with a really really good defensive team. We're starting to you see a lot more of them. Scenario Smith. He has really gotten better each year. He has been a pro drafted in twenty fifteen he has already had had more Saxon. He has ever had in a single season and he's closing in on. Having as many saxes he has had any two seasons put together. And that's almost something you can say about Preston Smith as well. He had eight sacks this season twice before so. He's two and a half better than that already. Freddie three passes defence and interception forced fumble. These guys are playmakers and they are dangerous off the edge. Which means and nate solder is definitely going to have to bring the same game he had against Khalil? Mack and Mike Grammar is going to have to up his game as well. The giants offensive line. Line their hands are really going to be full against this good defense so we. We talked about their secondary and how deep in young it is and then they have these two more veteran players that are coming off the edge. The giants are need to be prepared for than they need to be prepared to slide to whichever guys coming if both of them are coming. Maybe maybe keep a tight end in and have some additional pass protection because leaving. Mike remers in nate solder on an island with either of them could lead to some catastrophic situations and some really really bad place their whole defensive line though is very very good and it's just it's capped off off because they have both of these guys able to come off the edge. The giants have struggled when they faced. Good pass rushes. That are good across the board where they can't just devote all of their resources to blocking one guy. It's when they have to divide their attention. That's when things start to break down on so that's something. The giants are definitely going to have to plan for plan for with their blocking schemes with their personnel groupings. And also with their play calls so all that being said it's very apparent that the giants are going to have a lot of work to do if they want to have a good offensive day against one of the better improving defenses defenses in the NFL. That being said though. Chris what do you think needs to be the giants offensive game plan. I would say attack the middle title of the field. The packer secondary is going to be a problem but their linebackers they might be vulnerable. Double their starters are Blake Martinez and former giant. BJ goodson. Yeah I I am well known as a fan of BJ goodson he. He has made plays for the packers. Since being traded their most of those plays have come down hill in Have come down downhill in run defense. I would say try to get the giants tight end. Probably Cayden Smith. If read Ellison and Evan Ingraham are not upset and try to get SAQUON. Barkley the ball in space kind of behind the defensive line get them matched up against those inside linebackers. It is pretty apparent to their linebackers. Might be their biggest weakness out of all the defensive units in specifically specifically their interior linebackers but in watching some previous games tape against opposing teams in specifically in the last three I watched three tight ends have productive days and find a Lotta Open lanes specifically George Kitty who exploded for over one hundred yards hunter. Henry was able to make some pretty big plays and get some pick up some I down some fifteen. Plus Yard gains because he had linebackers on him and also Greg Olsen when they played the the Carolina Panthers there's so there's a very clear trend that they are not the best at covering tight ends. If they're coming off the line of scrimmage or even if they're split out in the slot as a receiver receiver you gotta use. That's here advantage understandably that you're probably coming in with only kid and Smith. Maybe you have read Ellison. There has not been clear indication as as of the point that we're recording this. Who is going to be available? And who's going to be back for that reason whoever's they're tryin- scheme them some more catches some more passing passing opportunities just to get the ball understandably. I noted I noted three very good tight ends in the NFL Three guys that are two guys are there are young and rising in and turning into stars in one guy that's been established for a very very long time and that does not exactly fit the The bill of cadence in Smith who who called his first. NFL touchdown just this past week. But it doesn't mean that you can't at least try to recreate that if it doesn't work at some point maybe you scrap it but still do whatever you can get him some Some crossing routes some drags something. That's simple to get him get him the ball him or read Ellison and I think that has a high potential of impacting the offense in creating a lotta yards. Yeah I think would definitely feel better. If Evan Ingram was was healthy but mid foot sprains really any kind of foot injury they can take a little bit to come back from even if it wasn't too bad just because has jumped. You're on your feet. You can't really protect your feet and practice at the same time. That's just something that's going to heal in its own time. So uh-huh Cayden Smith will have his opportunities. Hopefully the giants can get him the ball in space and attack those linebackers. Hopefully they can execute better than than they did on that one tight end screen. They tried against the bears. Because that just wasn't ever going to work but the opportunities should be see there they should be there and it's also worth taking a look at the other side of this discussion in the sense that we spoke about how good their second atkin areas in their corners are so if they have really really good corners. There's probably not going to be a lot of chances to get the ball to golden tate. Although he likely likely won't be available we don't know sure but the whole deal with his concussion. Situation is Sterling Shepard. If he's available dairy slayton probably will have some trouble getting open for those reasons. If they're not open you always have that tight end option. Because they've had so many issues covering them. Yeah and the giants can try to a US. saquon Barkley Maybe Elijah Penny Wing allman a buck Allen Divorce Allen they can try to use those guys in the same area if not exactly the same way as other teams have used their tight ends as as receiving threats in the middle attacking the linebackers and maybe attacking the seams and hopefully finding voids the packers coverage also just as a note. The giants injury report just came out. Ellison Ingram peppers in tate did not practice well. That's certainly not a good sign because the giants are going to have their hands full trying to move the ball effectively against this defense other teams teams have had success and if the giants are efficient they probably will will be able to have a decent day if not it will look very similar to the way did against the green bape sorry. The Chicago bears rather on next. We're going to discuss the defensive game plan but before we do that we're going to take a short commercial break. This episode is sponsored by Stash. A SMARTER SIMPLER WAY TO START. Investing with Sash you can begin. Investing in a wide array of companies diversified funds for as little as five dollars dollars stash offers unlimited trading with no add on trading commission. So you can invest without worrying about getting nickel and dimed. You can choose your own. 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Too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college. Football football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early. And unfashionable pants. That coaches wear now. If you want to take college football exactly as seriously as long as it should be taken. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. or in your favorite podcast APP. How do you slow? Oh down a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers. That is the real question for the giants as they're facing arguably one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL right right now he's taken over games. He's dominated opponents his entire career and now the giants have to figure out a way to stop him if they want to get a win here. It's the that is the the single most defy the The fining trait in this game is how they can stop Aaron Rodgers. Chris is there really anything that the giants can can do to stop him while the kind of face the same dilemma against Rogers. They do against every other quarterback but because he is as good as he is it gets dialed up to eleven. The giants struggled to create pressure when they're rushing four and then they struggle to cover when they blitz given the choice between the two. I say play aggressive. Try to generate the same kind of pressure against Aaron Rodgers that the forty niners were able to do granted the giants. Don't have Nick Bosa and Eric Armstead and forced buckner but they do have guys who can create some problems for an offensive line. They can get into the backfield they can disrupt so even if the even if James veteran has to completely open up his playbook and throw the kitchen sink at the packers. That's what he has to do. Throwing the kitchen sink might be the only way to really stop him but when I watched him play against the forty niners and him play a against the Los Angeles chargers one thing I was able to notice. Is that these teams that have very good pass rushes. They have both of the Bozo brothers on opposing teams. They were able to hit home. Because Aaron Rodgers a lot of times likes to hold onto the ball and wait for the perfect place so we can make that huge thirty yard hard pass He. He's smart enough to dish it out to his running backs or a quick dump off if he has to but there are times when you see him sitting and waiting waiting and waiting and saying like oh it's just going to. It's going to break open really quickly. It's going to break open a in a quick second. And because he's sitting and waiting for something like that to happen with a group of receivers that it is frankly a bunch of misfits besides Davante Adams it leads to him getting taken down and sacked and hit and pressured in any capacity so the the giants probably won't be able to force him to sit in over. Think because of how poor the secondary has been doing but creating pressure manufactured. Factored pressure by sending blitzes using Marcus golden in Lorenzo Carter off the edge of a number of the defensive linemen that they've brought in doing any any of those things will at least make him over. Think things to an extent in wall so fluster him. Yeah Aaron Rodgers has seen a lot. He had seen more than most quarterbacks currently in the NFL but any quarterback it can be confused you know. We've seen defenses confused. Tom Brady the giants have done it a few times if the giants are going to slow down on Rogers if they're going to slow down the packers offense that's really what they need to do. They need to catch riders holding the ball. Get Him flustered and and even though the packers have a really good offensive line. They can't hold up forever. And if Rogers is going to hold the ball eventually the giants will get a chance to get to him. No quarterback is perfect but obviously Aaron Rodgers is one of the best in the League so forcing him to make mistakes when he's not GonNa make them. I'm on his own those. Those are the types of opportunities. You're trying to create so another thing when looking at this offense the one thing that really sticks out because they have such Barron receiving group of no-name players besides Davante Adams. You take a look at their running backs right now. They've got a dual headed attack with two of their running backs Jamal Williams and Aaron Jones. What do you think that the giants should be expecting to see with both of these guys I would? I would say expect to see them. Used as receivers Aaron Jones has been kind of the engine driving the packers offense especially with their passing game. Not Not being quite as good as we've come to expect from them. He's got fourteen total touchdowns and just under a thousand yards on on the season yet. Those touchdowns put him just behind Christian McCaffrey and even though he only gets he only gets on average about four catches a game he makes them cow. Jones has about six hundred yards on the ground about three hundred and fifty yards through the air. He's their second leading receiver. Her Drama Williams is their third leading. Receiver they both have over thirty catches a piece and they both have have multiple multiple receiving touchdowns so that I think is where the giants need to really be watching them because they're both only averaging about about four four and a half yards per carry. They're not super dangerous running backs but their ability to be dual threats and run the ball and catch the ball that is going to have to be watched one of the other things that you can really be expecting from this running back tandem. is they like to work. The ball up the inside in just simple runs out of the gun but they also like to throw them out of the backfield they like to split them out at receiver and get them opportunities that way away at least use them as a distraction when they put them at receiver but they really also are very keen on setting up play action because they know some teams. We're going to be willing to come down and prevent them from getting yards on the ground running the ball so as soon as they start to establish that consistency moving the ball on the ground. They'll they'll start opening things up again with play actions kind of similar to. What the rams do but not as focused on doing that but it is? It is really a staple in their offense offense. All that being said with those two running backs and also discussing Aaron Rodgers. Chris Woody think needs to be the giants defensive game plan out say generate generate pressure and attack. Backup right tackle Alex Light. The packers have a really good offensive line. There number number one in pass block win rate. They're left tackle dim buck. DRA is one of the best left tackles in the league. El Din Jenkins a rookie. Not at of Mississippi State has become one of the best left guards in the league very quickly. There Center is one of the best. Corey Lindley is one of the best centers centers in the League but Alex is a second year. UNDRAFTED free agent out of Richmond and he starting for an injured. Brian Lago Lago who sprained his MC L. last week so if there's going to be a weakness upfront. The giants can attack where they can use. Stunts and twists and blitzes is to create confusion create opportunities to disrupt in the backfield. That is going to be at your discussing before the show Chris. How good did the left side of their offense of line is but when you have no Brian Baraga? That's going to create some problems for them if the giants are smart in attacking him in sending a lot of their pressure. Yes you're on the right side of the line that's GONNA cause a lot of issues. An undrafted free agent in his second year with not a lot of experience playing is going to have problems when he's got a two guys coming in his gap and he doesn't know who to properly pick up in that situation so confused the hell out of him and that's ultimately going to lead to increase the pressure on Aaron Rodgers. Like we spoke about if you at least get some hands on his face if you at least make him over things that we were talking about earlier. It'll make things a lot easier here for the giants if he has a clean pocket if he's got a lot of time and if he's able to have that ability to think efficiently he's GonNa pick them apart. He's going to pick them apart. He's GonNa pick apart their secondary. Everything is going to be one. Along the line of scrimmage who has the best front seven in this game is going to really determine who plays well and I know it sounds a little bit vague and I know that also sounds a little bit a cliche and saying that but because the giants have a a better defensive line that being their strong unit in them having weaknesses on their offensive line. That's going to be really key. Yeah absolutely the One one thing. In the secondary is the giants should probably devote to double covering Davante Adams because he has struggled since suffering turf toe early in the season but the giants have had a tendency to let struggling players struggling units in struggling teams find their feet get healthy hit their stride if the giants are going to blitz and we both think they should they can't afford to let I generous Jenkins or De'andre Baker or Sam bill beyond an island with devante atoms because eventually he will get his. There's clearly a lot that needs to go into this game for the giants to play well and come out with a victory. We'll have to see what happens on Sunday but that is going to be it from us. Folks thank you for tuning in as always be sure to rate and subscribe wherever you're listening to us and also falls on social media at Big Blue View. Follow me on twitter at Jodi. Leone D. E. L. E. O.. Winnie can fall Chris at Raptor M. K.. I are you troubled by strange hockey traits in the middle of the night do you experience feelings of dread about NHL Free Agency. Have you or your family ever seen it New York islanders game. If the answer is yes then don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcast from SP nation today are courteous and efficient hosts are ready to serve. All of of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans.

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TE Tiers 2019

NFL Talking Heads

24:35 min | 2 years ago

TE Tiers 2019

"Welcome to the N._F._l.. Talking Heads Fantasy football podcast show here a your hosts Jeff Carrier Seth Law. Hello everyone and welcome to the N._F._l.. Talking talking heads of fantasy football podcast show. I'm your host Jeff carrier. He is seth law. We are back for another great episode to talk tight end tears getting closer rounding out all our positional tears for everyone out there and seth it is time the training camp season has finally started. We're going to actually start seeing seeing some players on the field and you know soon enough. They'll be most likely some injuries impacting rankings and of course eighty ps but it's exciting to see people on the field in football almost here. Oh Yeah it's been it's been way too long and we are. We're back in it. It's one hundred degrees out today in New Hampshire and no better place to be during one hundred under degree day than inside in the air conditioned in the air conditioning talking fantasy football so let's let's get to it all right so before we get into tight end tears big breaking news on Tyreek Hill there will be no suspension from the N._F._l.. tyreek hill you know let's just skip the part on the inconsistency of the N._F._l.. And whether or not he should have been suspended or not. That's a different discussion. Let's get to whereabout uh fantasy football where does terry kill now slide into your rankings A._D._p.. Wise not ranking. Should I say where does he slide in eighty P wise on the draft board where we're my drafting him Yup also when we talk yesterday when the news broke and you ask me my first reaction was like third round. That's the first thing I said we talked about it and as before I even looked at any updated eighty ps and it looks like you know his A._D._p.. Is Bright in the third round three point four and I think that's pretty on target right now. I'm drafting him today. If the draft is today I would take him in the third round right around three point zero four. That's pretty spot on now if it's pretty quiet on the tyreek hill front from now until the being the season and we're here in late August and he's always you know he's on his best behavior hasn't got into trouble. There's no nothing else is breaking is no other evidence that emerges than I could see taking him in the the second round. Maybe the end of the second round middle the second round the bottom line is tyreek hill. If this off the field stuff never never immersion or was never an issue. He's a early second rounder like you can make a case for maybe taking him in the first round right I mean he he's that elite has that much upside. He's probably the number one fantasy wide receiver if we're just talking football and when he brings you know on the field so the drafts right now. I'm taking him in the third round but I'm giving you know I'm open to moving that up to to the second round <hes> if nothing else crazy happens now in August. I'm going to be a a bit more aggressive as we kind of our initial reactions kind of led me to to to believe now if you if you're type person will you go on and you're looking at the A._D._p.. And you see three point zero four all you need to do is look at the chart of at four point zero three. There's four point four and now he's at three point four. He went up a full round within a day well. The law of averages should tell us that he's not getting to three or four because people are drafting met three. Oh four people were drafting him above that spot and that's where his average opposition happens to be landing or he skyrocketed in a day so my guess is he's getting drafted right now in the middle of the second so if you've seen three point four <hes> and you're you're going off that you're never going to get him realistically. If you're looking at the second round of the fantasy football draft I mean first thing that comes to mind is he easily sides in front of Damian Williams in my eyes I mean why why am I taking Damian Williams over Tyreek Hill. You're not doing that so so he easily slides in front of that spot as worst case scenario and then in terms of just a range of outcomes or Dra- oppositions. I say he could go as high as above depending on how you like some of these players like I would take Juju over him but I would take tyreek over Odell Beckham so now we're talking on the fringe of the turn so my guess is he's. He's all the way that high to potentially downward Liam so one point twelve to two point zero. Seven is the range. I have a minute and probably closer to the top of that range. I mean mean if we didn't get in trouble for what we just all experience right if he didn't get in trouble then then he's not gonna get suspended during the season even if he did something else he would need some kind of the Cam. I'd be more worried about the Kansas City the chiefs potentially suspending him if something else comes up and they face a big you know a p._r.. Hit and there's backlash there's pressure put on the chiefs. Maybe the chief suspend him. You know I don't know or maybe this this gets. Maybe something else happens in this gets to be to the the point where there's so much heat on tyreek Hill that there's a huge distraction and he wasn't perform or he who knows. I mean like if you're if you're going to take him in the early second round or some of these players wanted to take over Julio. I mean like either there. You're hedging against all that other stuff. You're not now. I'm hedging against all that other stuff by taking him in the third round if you're not doing that if you're taking him over Odell Beckham then what you're saying is I'm not worried about any of that other stuff at all so at that point wanted to take him in the first round. Down I think he's a first round player like you could take you could take him over Julio. You can take him definitely over Le Vian Bell you could potentially take him over Michael Thomas. I mean if he if we're just talking about tyreek hill the fantasy football wide receiver. He's probably W top eight or nine pick yeah I mean I suppose I mean you definitely have a point. I'm most I am more on the side of. I'm not really paying attention to anything else happening because also the Kansas City chiefs allowed him back into the facilities weeks before this announcement so it seems like everything's kind of getting brush underneath the rug now that we have a solid month until we actually have our draft. I think that we'll get everything we need to know in terms of quote unquote P._R.. It would take something drastic like a ray rice kareem hunt video to come out and I think we've already kind of heard you know in audio the worst that was released so I I suppose you always have that risk with someone with Terry kills background but I'm going for more upside there but anyways good conversation going to be a very interesting player over the next few weeks I think without a shadow of a doubt he's going to be creeping up at least a solid round if not more to your point because of how he did finish last year he does deserve to be potentially in the conversation of the first wide receiver off the board and the first wide receiver off the board is is typically deandre Hopkins at around six so all right so let's jump into it tight ends ooh tough position to picks the sexiest position Asian all fantasy so this should be a little bit shorter because it's just not as much obviously depth here to talk about. We have a couple of the the regulars right at the top that we're familiar with this. is how the topless. Let's just top ten. I'M GONNA say with a top ten finished out last year and you can start off with your tier. One tight ends just in order from one to ten was Travis Kelsey kittle Erz Hebron Cook Burton Burton Austin Hooper the joke who Rudolph O._J.. Howard and some of these are obviously you know ranking the difference between ranking thirteen and six for example was like a total title of less than it was ten points so less than one point a week so there really aren't ten good tight ends here if you're an attend team league in every team has one tight end l.? Every semester star one tight end is going to be at least two or three the teams that aren tight end stream mode starting we one okay so tier one for you for tight ends tier one from eases Travis Calcium jacquards. I think clearly Travis Kelsey is a a little bit ahead of jacquards but I like them. Both you can't go wrong with either one. I would put them in the same here on. I think it's pretty pretty easy pretty straightforward. Travis Chelsea's Akers Tier One yep now of course we're GONNA follow up all of our tears with breaking down where they're going A._D._p.. Wise so that's going to be a different discussion but I did want to clarify that just because we're we're saying Zakar. It's the same tears Kelsey <hes> in terms of player and quality and all that stuff. I am a little hesitant on where's Akers A._D._p.. Is You know and Kittles for that matter but we're going to get to that in different say yeah. We're look at it like it is if A._D._p.. Doesn't matter value doesn't matter just who who who do you have all things are equal if you can get him in the same spot. Who would you rather have <hes>? I think it's clearly travis Kelsey Anzac urged you agree. Yep completely agree on that because here's here's the key. I think a lot of people are going to say you know. Why are you not have George Kill Kill in that <hes> in that that tier because his A._p.? Is Three Point Nine Zakharov three point zero six. They're close <hes> George kill had more receiving yards last year. He's he's a little younger in my thing is and I have we'll kind of transition to the second tier George Kill <hes> by himself into your to the reason for that is it's just a little bit more uncertainty with George Kitto. Jimmy Garoppolo is going to be healthy. We'll see Jimmy. Garoppolo can stay healthy. That offense is on the come up. Endorsed kills obviously going to be a big part of that. He was a big part of their offense last year on a really really bad team so I think George kiddle has you could argue. He has a little more upside Zacher especially considering. I don't think anybody expects Akers to have one hundred sixteen catches again but I just like the situation as accurate and the it's more stable. I think George kittle could potentially be a little bit more volatile but I think he's clearly in the second tier by himself. If you miss out on Jacquards and Travis Kelsey and you end up with George Kill you have one of the three best tight ends and fantasy football and like we saw last year he's going to be a stud so George Kettle into your to all by himself and after that I think there's a pretty big drop off yeah and a lot can be said about the difference between target chair percentage when Jimmy Garoppolo is there and when he he wasn't is actually pretty similar twenty three percent the first three weeks with Jimmy Garoppolo twenty six percent with the rest of the quarter quarterbacks that they had for their meeting of the season of forty niners so you know there should be questioned in terms of if Jimmy Garoppolo's gotta feed kibble but I think the bigger question is can he hold onto his twenty three percents with the influx of new receivers and kind of weapons so. I think he might get a knock there but I think like you said it's close. He's in his own tier so I agree with that as well lily a little bit more uncertainty with if he can keep hold of that target share percentage but I look at his touchdown only five touchdowns last year so even if his target share percents drops off a little bit and even though we see that receptions eight eight receptions go down a little bit because of it he could easily put an eight nine touchdowns you know in that and so I think back a balance out but yeah he's he's in Tier Two tier three we big drop off and I think this is the spot where and this is probably different conversation Mt Tear Tear tweezers empty three-tiered pretty empty. I think at this point for me I would almost be looking to to wait like that's how crazy does this year with the it's really top heavy of the three big tie downs and after that and actually know what I'll make one one caveat too that is I really like O._J.. Howard and I think the problem with O._J.? Howard our is his A._D._p.? Is is five point zero seven so everything we love. Boji Howard is baked in already baked into his eighty pig which A._d._p.'s not top what we're talking about today so different conversation for different show but <hes> my tier three is is is O._J.. Howard Eric Hebron and Hunter Henry and Hunter Henry would be at the bottom of that here? I you know I debate even leaving him out of this third tier. I just decided I'm leaving Hunter Henry. He doesn't deserve to being here O._J.. Howard Air Lebron I I love O._J.? Howard for a lot of the same reasons that I love Chris Godwin we've we've already talked about Kris Golvin a lot? I know he's a trendy player. I I love of O._J.. Howard for so often the Bruce Arians thing which I wanNA talk about everybody mentioned the Bruce Arians the offense better but this is O._J.? Howard third year in the league this is where tight ends you know usually make the step forward to being an actual factor after now health is is always an issue with O._J.? Howard hasn't played a full season yet but only played eight games last year fourteen the previous year in his rookie are but we're already seen the touchdown said five or more touchdowns each of his first two seasons seasons four hundred more receiving yards each of his first two seasons and we don't usually tight ends make an impact at all? It's even worse than than it is a receivers when they come into the N._F._l.. Early on so I I like his talent his size his athletic ability loved the offense and no more Adam Humphries no more to Sean Jackson. I think it's GonNa be a big year throwing the ball for Tampa Bay. They lead the N._F._l.. Last year and pass attempts. They're gonNA throw the ball a ton so I like O._J.. Howard I I don't love his A._D._p.? But again we're doing tears and I think that he is clearly hands down. The fourth best tight end big drop off from George Killed O._J.. Howard but I think O._J.? Howard presents a good balance at this point of he's going me fairly safe relatives the tight ends that are in this grouping and he has the most upside at anybody else from this point on yet? I think the one that in terms of in this here the disagree with his Eric Hebron on I just don't like how they brought in Devin funchess who I feel like is fairly similar player to Eric Hebron even more weapons of Paris Campbell etc.. Maybe a healthy Marlin Mac. I just the more of a I don't like Hebron repeating his numbers and I I would probably throw Evan Ingram in the same tears how so so you didn't like you don't like Kevin Ingram obviously as much as Howard or even Abra no no no ear Iran. I see I agree with you on a lot of points about Abraham Hebron's a great example of for A._D._p.. I I don't love him and he probably won't be on a lot of my teams because six point twelve is too pricey for Hebron at the same point though we're just ranking these tight ends on you know how they are as fantasy players without A._D._p.'s entering into the equation argue bronze number four I mean I think you expect his touchdowns to come down a little bit because of what you mentioned with with the addition of funchess and maybe Peres Campbell Marla Mac and how the but bottom line indies going to have a really good offense and Andrew Lock is very efficient red zone. They're going to be a lot of touchdowns up for grabs. Eric Brown had thirteen touchdowns. I think he can still get ten so you were. We're talking about a a starting tight end with Andrew Lock on the Indianapolis Colts. Getting potentially ten touchdowns get to be in the seven to eight hundred receiving yards sixty <unk> distinct those are solid safe numbers to expect from Eric Hebron even if he comes down down a little bit on his production from last year and that's why I'm taking him over Evan Ingram you know I in terms of tears I like him more than Evan Ingraham a loved more than like him more than Hunter Henry and so on okay and so that wraps up tier three are- with O._J.. Howard and Eric Hebron heading into tier four is this where we have Evan Ingram and Hunter Henry and anyone else or how's your tearful look just just those is too? I I after that where you know. I don't know what we're GONNA do frontiers. It's like everybody else at that point. It's like I'm waiting. I might wait till to grab P._J.. Hopkinson if you round later I have Hunter Henry and Evan Ingram to pure wide receiver <hes> tight end threats if you will I I just I don't love we'll start with Hunter Henry. I mean first of all. He's really had a hard time staying unhealthy. He missed all of last season right and I just we haven't really seen we've seen stuff from Hunter Henry in spurts right and he's very his touchdown numbers. Were really high as rookie or they touchdowns if he. Gets the snaps he is going to be hit. His upside is great if he can get the volume being at the snaps if he can get the targets we just haven't seen it to this point in San Diego or Los Angeles if you will so I like him more than ever ingram because I like his upside a little bit more than Evan Ingram. I like the chargers offense better than the giants offense obviously but I think these two are very I think that the the variances greater with these two especially Hunter Henry I think he's got more boom bust potential. We've seen him have weeks where he has two touchdowns. I've seen him have weeks where he basically puts up zero bomb yeah. Sometimes I just don't understand these eighty ps I mean are people literally only swinging for the fences and just like just completely content with just whipping. I mean Hunter Henry missed all twenty eighteen right didn't do it is intend to anything the previous years he was a nice player but not a great player because Philip rivers like some of the elite quarterbacks passes the ball around so much so he was a nice player he wasn't Kelsey or Gronk any of his first two seasons so he misses an entire year and somehow is so getting drafted early six six round right now in team league I just I don't understand the A._D._p.. Now in terms of caliber player is he above just about everyone else as he should be in this last here that you have I agree because this upside is higher but that doesn't mean he should be going into six round again other discussion for different day his his pedigree and that team he's got some upside there for sure and he'll be heading into his. I don't know I guess technically is fourth year or you know his third playing ear so yeah yeah I think this rounds out my tears because hundred Henry and everything or to me while I don't love of either one of them. I think you can look at each of them and say okay. I have my starting tight end granted. Oh probably be still be my we the weakness on my team. It might my worse starter but I have a starting caliber tight end that I'm at least gonNA start every single week because they have upside after that. It's it's pretty much. You're streaming tight ends. You're drafting multiple tight ends in you know playing it by committee so I. I don't know what you WANNA do for the next exteriors I mean it will. I is there anybody else that I left out that you would include in this year. I would probably include in that tier. I wouldn't take them before. I don't know I wouldn't necessarily put him his own tear. This lump them in as the quote tear before the streaming tears. We'll call it is probably jared cook because he had pretty good year last year and with New Orleans I feel like you'll fit that category that you just Kinda described and that is I've got a starter on most most weeks. Not every week is going to be great but a most weeks assuming health you know I can just plug him in there and I think you'll have a decent day so I think I'd throw jared cook in that in there and in that here with my problem Joel Island Promise Jerry Cook is the Saints Really Have Not used tight ends since they had Jimmy Graham and is that a product of them not really having in good tight end or is that just they got a lot of rushing touchdowns with Alvin Kamara. Even though there's no Mark Ingram here you have Michael Thomas who's an absolute beast and they spread the ball around so much I just I think but at this point the draft yeah I I think we look at him as a starter I I think he's kind of lumped in. I look like Jared Cook. David Joko potentially awesome hooper in this range and T._J.. Hopkinson those would be my you know. My grouping of players is that that might follow the next year but I'm not going out on my way to grab any of those players I would. I would consider them with the exception. Maybe Teacher Hawkins and I don't know if you're GONNA start him week one but I think at least second half the season you should be in a position to maybe you know feel like you can start him. Yeah I agree that's why I was like he's kind of behind the other two but kind of fits a category that might deserve its own tears so maybe maybe cook no joke who Hopkinson Hooper might have their own semi. I tear in front of the streamers the but to your point you're definitely not going out of your way for any of these people. No I think we always see the drop off and tight ends pretty quickly every year where you're like okay. I'm not really going on my way. We get the next best tight end because he's not doesn't why doesn't excite me. I'm just GonNa wait until the very end similar to what people do with quarterbacks in one quarterback leagues and I think this year that just starts even earlier and maybe it's partly is not having Gronk you're you you take gronk out a no players Jimmy Grammar no longer a factor Jordan Reed is now. We're completely writing him off. So the tight end position shallower Kyle Rudolph is another one who's lower who's kinda fallen own off the face of the Earth for fantasy and I think after after Kelsey urged kittle in maybe Howard you know I could maybe talk myself into take him in the sixth or seventh round but the fifth round is too early after that. I'm just like you know we're overpaying for. Some of these mediocre tight ends like Evan Ingram Hundred Henry Eric Hebron even jared cook in the seventh round jerk cooking the seventh rounds crazy. That's crazy town right crazy town. I mean again. I said the difference between six and thirteen it was like what ten points for the entire year and I guarantee at least fifty seventy five percent of those tight ends were just streamers basically for the most part so to your point is that that's going to wrap up our tight hide ends. We're going to be back four hour quarterbacks. Here's and we're going deep real deep south and I are big to Q._B.. Fans so <hes> we're going to be doing all thirty Q._B.'s.

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321: Episode 321: NFL Week 1  A Winning Start to the Season with Eliot Crist

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321: Episode 321: NFL Week 1 A Winning Start to the Season with Eliot Crist

"Welcome to the sharp six hundred brought to you by covers dot com. I'm rob cressey. And i'm super excited. Jane would you in joining me to get you ready for nfl week. One is elliott crist chief operating officer. Fta network you can follow him on twitter at elliot. Crist elliott great to have you back on the show. I'm here i'm comfortable. I miss talking with you. I'm excited about this man. have young. yeah it feels so good to have football back in our lives and it feels different this year. Because we're going to have people in stadiums is going to go back to. Let's call called two years ago when football was regular in in how we're used to betting it and i think that's an important thing for us to star with. I'm curious from your perspective. What changes or differences. You can be making this year whether it's your bet so your mindset on having fans in the stands and how that might affect totals or home versus away teams. Yeah honestly. I don't know how much it really will. Impact i The crowd has a bigger impact on college games right. It was crazy to watch that. On saturday it was it was awesome to see arenas tact and everything and there still will be code related issues players missing right leg. Zach thomas is missing. The opening game are the bucks star. The cantor starting tackles missing the opening game but attempt like do. I think it matters a little bit. Yeah crowd noise absolutely plays a role. You know third down situations an extra penalty here it. It definitely makes a difference Probably worth depending on save an extra half point last year. Maybe two and a half points this year. Probably three three and a half. But i don't want to overcompensate the crowd when i'm when i'm placing wagers so this is my third season hosting this podcast and for those who are new to this. We like to do a few things one. We wanna help you be a more informed better. We also wanna have fun at the same time because we know there's a lot of options for information for where you can go to get your sports betting content and i like to try and be as pragmatic as possible about this because one we want to win. Obviously in what is the mindset that it takes. I always figured the best thing that i can do is teach you how to fish because picks are going to win or lose but understanding the mindset and the process that elliott myself. Go through every single week. That's what's gonna help you the most every week we've got a combination of anlysts bookmakers and handicappers. They're gonna come on and give your different viewpoint for how we're seeing the game so just wanted to make sure we set the stage because it's going to be an absolutely amazing season so elliott before we get into the games in the format that we're going to have. There's a few thoughts or nuggets. That i've got going into this and one of the things that i'm really looking forward to is going back to my fundamental from a betting standpoint. So we were used to. Let's call it a home field advantage of plus or minus three last year and we sort of saw that dissipate and continue to go away to where there was almost no home field advantage. I'm looking to try and find value on home. Dogs in ugly bets ones. That make you feel growth grosses and uncomfortable because there's no such thing as free money albeit there is once we start playing props middles and all those things but we're on a bet tibet basis and there is two stats. That i saw and i gotta give shout. Espn for these. That i liked when doing research on nfl week. One underdogs in division games in week. One twenty six nine three against the spread since two thousand thirteen in the second one the average over under for week one currently sits at forty seven point six points per game which should be the highest average over under for games since nineteen eighty six. And the last thing on my mind. Rookie quarterback's trevor lawrence zach wilson mack jones. We seem to fall in love with rookies. Very quickly in the preseason. But how does that unfold. Certainly on week one in eliot. I'm curious if you have any thoughts on any of those nuggets another nugget. That i've seen is that the team that wins. The game has covered in week. One thirty there though there against the spread thirty eight five thousand two in the last three seasons so the team that wins has really been covering a lot as well and obviously listen. If you're an underdog can you win. You're going to cover. That's just kinda how it works but also means that favorites covering by a greater amount. And i think it's because books like us are learning a lot about these teams so they're absolutely overvalued and undervalued teams oftentimes. They aren't getting how bad the worst teams in the nfl are. Like the lions are the tech concern one in seven last year that just seven against the spread. The dolphins were our nate the year before everyone thought they were the worst team in football. So i'm keeping a little bit for the texans and lions in the opening week though. I don't really want to bet on quarterbacks like you said it those trans really scream. Tina sends out to me. Most is the miami dolphins plus three. you know they. They were the best team against the spread in football last year. Thirteen that creates a tremendous. The tana turnovers this year. They get jalen phillips rookie to help with that edge pressures. While just a top to bottom great roster i think into a could take a big step forward and people are gonna say bill belichick against his former coaches. They lead the series last year. And i would prefer not to. Three points against what i think is the lesser roster so the dolphins are team to meet with tragedy. Talked about in elliott. I think that's a great segue to our first segment which is get comfortable being uncomfortable. And the purpose of this segment is for us to try and identify a bet that we don't exactly feel all warm and fuzzy about but welcome to the world of sports betting more oftentimes. I like to look for the ugly bets because everybody wants to be better than the overs in the sexy teams but the value oftentimes is on the bed set. Don't make you feel all good and you actually identified my get comfortable being uncomfortable bets. I'm taking the dolphins plus three in. Why is it uncomfortable for me because number one. It's never fun to bet against the patriots and bill ballot check. Certainly when the patriots are at home. And i get it. Tom brady era versus non. Tom brady era two different things. But we've still have that bill bell check cachet where you don't roll up on sunday being like you know what. I'm looking forward to doing betting against the patriots and there is still elements of uncertainty regarding to. I like to think that he is going to see some positive growth in year two. Because we've seen that in quarterbacks previously lamar jackson's a great example so often it's very quick for us to say if a quarterback doesn't turn into patrick mahomes immediately that there are bus. So lamar jackson. Oh my god is all he can do is run and then boom. He becomes an mvp a year or two later. Not saying that's what is going to be remember. He's he was coming off an injury when he got drafted in. Everybody wanted to quickly write him off without even getting a four year. In the system on the flipside. Everybody's already crowning mack jones. As the next tom brady in his first. Nfl game. so i'm certainly looking to say all right. Where is the market a little bit too high. On some these rookies and we're very quick to create the narrative that we want for the patriots. Because we've seen it before and not all teams have that. But certainly the patriots do. And i'm going to go back to the stat that talked about it at the beginning of the segment underdogs in division games in week. One or twenty six nine and three against the spread since two thousand thirteen. You're telling me. I get a non rookie quarterback getting three points. Give me the dolphins. And if i'm going to put this on an uncomfortable scale. I would put it around a sixty six out of one hundred. Yeah i i liked that call. That was actually the one. I had written down to place a wager a little while ago and you made a ton of points as to why another one for me is i think the dolphins actually have a better defense. You know. we don't talk about them as a great defense. But they between david howard jones probably have the best receiving tandem in football. Going up against jacoby myers nelson aguilar. I think that's a lot of pressure for a young quarterback in troms to make that for a start and your point onto is spot on. We live in a world where it's like. What did you do last week in. Therefore you were good or bad and to a wasn't expected to play all last year and then they kind of pushed him in early. He didn't really have a playbook. They protected them and their their offense. In general. this year's is far better right. Like willfuller warplane steam. But they'll get jalen wall loom explosive playmaker. They didn't have last year. Devante parker and mike your healthy. Their offensive line is better now. The area this game that makes me most uncomfortable is the fact that the patriots are going to have a major advantage with their offensive line. The dolphins front dolphins aren't a great run defense patriots. Probably a top three run blocking line. They added trip around back last year And there's no cam newton so they're not gonna quarterback runs and when you were eliminated quarterback runs. They're often sublime actually generated more yard before contact than any other team football this year. I grabbed damian harris at fifty eight and a half rushing yards. it's now up to seventy but That's what makes me comfortable this. I don't like when the trenches are potentially disadvantage. But i do think that. I'm getting a better quarterback. I think i'm getting You know value plus three like you said. I think vegas an oddsmakers have of disrespected miami. The last couple of years did not realize how much improve this team is. How the roster's and that's why they were the best spread shooting football. So we're on the same page. Everybody likes brian. flora's right like the narrative is. Oh my god. This guy is the next amazing coach. He had all of a sudden. Here comes as disrespectfully. Yeah but he's going up against bill checks. So i do feel good in back in a brian. Florez led team. Because one of the things. I don't if you're looking at one. Quarterbacks is there a rookie versus a non rookie or number two. What is the coaching match. So of course it doesn't mean he's better than bella check. But i'm not sitting here with cliff kings mary for example where i don't feel as good. I've got a lot more confidence in brian. Flores yeah i'm with you one hundred percents typically. I'm looking at the quarterback on yet trenches. I'm looking at the coaching. And are there obvious. Match-ups than team can take advantage of which will come swayed in one direction or another. And i think that the patriots are going to struggle to throw the ball. I think that flora's closer to bill. Belichick we like to think that does not mean that. He's on the same level bill. Belichick is still the greatest coach of all time. I'm not trying to set up. But this guy is proven since he's come to miami that he's changed that franchisees turn them around so i think he's a better than people all right. The next segment we're gonna have is the big mick money line parlay of the week a see. They got the big mac. I got the big mic for those are new. Here's the back story on this. When i took over this podcast a few years ago from joe forton baugh. Someone hit me up on twitter and said rob. Can you give me a winning bet this week and of course i wish i could just give out winners left and right but i took it to heart what he said and now it's like all right. You want to winning bets. What going to do. And i put together money. Line par parlay. They got close to minus one ten. Which would be a regular bet right there and it just so happens. The one in the guy responded back saying thanks for the win rob. That was enough money for me to go and get a burger for mcdonald's in just like that. The light bulb went off in my head and when he said mcdonald's it immediately made me think of the movie coming to america. You've the big mac. We have the big mic in just like that. The big mick moneyline parlay of the week got created in one of the things. That i like it. I think is important for sports. Bettors is to have different ways of thinking or chopping up this slate. So i'm not only going to do. Just spreads or totals to live betting i like to do props. I like to do. Money lines teasers. So how many different ways can we chop this up in a win is a win. In as much as it may seem simple to create a money line parlay. We don't win every single time. We try to win more often than we can. But it doesn't happen all the time because otherwise we would be putting our mortgage on our money line parlays so with that in mind. I really have to principles for how i think about building a money. Line parlay number one. Ideally i do not want to road team doesn't mean that i won't have wrote teams but in the perfect scenario i'd prefer to have a home team and number two. Ideally i would prefer to not have a division game. Why there's more familiarity between the teams and you can oftentimes see either one of them win so with that being said i'm bringing a three team money line partly to the table that pays out plus one nineteen and give me the rams the bucks and the chiefs money line and i thought about the forty niners except they're on the road so it did not hit the first criteria of what i was looking for and because of that i left them off and i find that oftentimes when building a moneyline parlay one part is who do you want in the next part is who are you going to leave off and how could you potentially lose when it comes to the rams. I can't exactly say that. I'm all warm and fuzzy about the bears. This year i trust mcvay to win an opening game against the bears box. I like them the opening night. Are they going to do is take care of business. Trust and tom brady. And the last one the chiefs. I just believe that the chiefs are going to not only win but cover this game against the brown. So i'm going with rams box chiefs moneyline parlay. What about you elliott. What's your big mick. Money line parlay of the week. I actually think the one thing really interesting about the mind partly to like when i originally looked at this Under the forty niners in rams mile per light and it was minus one sixty seven. But i was able to tease them down. Six points each and get them egypt minus one and minus twenty so i thought that was a great way to get there so but to make money it will be forty niners rams and books in on a. I think this one's gonna be pretty popular. The rams allowed thirteen point one points per game at home last year. That's five points less than the next full seem. And they're taking on. Andy gone is the first time showing regrets ever had like a legit quarterback matthew stafford and they finally had to open stadium in los angeles with fans. I think that read is going to be insane. I i don't think the bears have what it takes to keep up with. The rams. I i actually back again. Forget ugly similar boston cowboys boxer dominate the line of scrimmage. They are to take on the worst secondaries and football. They've got argued. The best trio of receivers football with antonio brown. Chris mike kevin's we saw them really ascend the second half of the year now full offseason working together. I don't really see how the cowboys stop them. Walks don't have a weakness there now better this year than they were last year with. Joe tyrants who are in terms of getting to the quarterback. No zack martin. Think that game gets ugly and the forty niners like you said the the road aspect is honestly the only box that they don't check in this game. The lines allowed more rushing touchdowns than any other team in football last year. You're talking about a forty nine or seen that fell off last year because they weren't healthy now they're healthy. They're they should kinda blow this team. Off the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball winds have no playmakers that you feel at all. I mean a fifth round pick is top option right. I'm on rossi brown and tyrod williams in quincy To try and be like. That's that's a tough ask A rookie tackle didn't play football. Last year is the. Kobe is not going to have to try to block nick. Melissa he really struggled as preseason. That's a recipe for disaster. I also think damn cameras can be one of the worst head coaches. I really like a hand. So yes they're on the road. But i think this this healthy forty niners team went to the super bowl two years ago. I think they're going to blow out the forty niners and the fact are the lines and the fact that historically the worst in football just get obliterated on spread to start the season. I like this as well. I actually in terms of you wanna get crazy with it. And this is not the this won't by mcdonald's but i am like a porterhouse steak doing a pleaser with some of these teams. You know when you go the opposite direction and get crazy money. Because i think there's a chance that all threes gains floor. All i like that. So that's one of the other things where you can actually buy points to have it more inflated. So let's say forty nine hundred seventy half. Sarah let me move that up to nine and a half or crap you could say. Let me start making all of those ten. And if you think they win by two touchdowns all of a sudden. That's more enticing. I think that'd be an interesting thing for people to play around with is. Hey how do you do when you buy points in the wrong direction. In the event that the game gets out of hand against some of these lesser teams. I don't have any steps on that right now. But certainly i think eliot you just opened my eyes to something new that i'm going to be tracking and maybe we even create a new segment of all right. Who are we going to be buying points on to try and make the odds even more plentiful in our advantage. Yeah they typically wait on pleasers too because they know that some of the early lines are are russell. I haven't even actually been able to put that in. But i do want to sprinkle a little on that. Maybe add in the titans cardinals over. And i think that game is going to. The cardinals are starting the two of us at corner this week. Against william johnson. Aj brown both those teams are going to be paced offenses. So i my guess is something like that. It's gonna pay at twenty or thirty two wine if you sell six points. The both sides that forty niners win by one or two touchdowns rams by one two touchdowns in that game shoots out so it's obviously a very long shot bet but when i feel about teams in see blow out potential. I think that's a fun way to try to sprinkle your full-size union on that right. That's like a small play but it's it's those things can be real bankers one thing of note. I am also on the over in that. Titans cardinals game. I think i've got that fifty two. So l you and i are very much aligned in the way that we're thinking one thing that i always like to say all right where could this go wrong in these money. Parlays which one of these teams if they were to lose what happened and we can sort of remove ourselves from this bet but eliot. I'm curious if there was a team outside of just talked about that. Were to win this week and going into week to the narrative on them completely. Change so for example. If pittsburgh were beat buffalo all of a sudden everyone who says hey. Are the steelers going to go eight nine this year. Well that narrative may not be as accepted if they'd be buffalo and says woe ben roethlisberger's good. The offensive line was better than we thought. Nausea harris ran for one hundred yards. We had multiple receivers with one hundred yards where you go. Oh that scenario because there's these teams where you can see either one of them on the slate. I'm curious if there's a team where if they were to find a way to win the game it might change our perception even in this. What have you done for me lately. Economy that we live in. And it doesn't mean of course that they're going to be amazing for the rest of the season but that's how quickly rushed to judgment. Yeah i think we could be buying very high on the carolina panthers but they're not an underdog to doesn't answer your question. I think they're gonna score. Fairmont appoints against a horrendous jet secondary In terms of what fits what you just described. I think it's the saints user. Another good one. But the saints are four point underdogs actually got the packers at plus one thirty on the money line. There are some questions whether aaron rodgers would come back. but you know they obviously switch quarterbacks. There's a lot of talk about whether it be tailored jameis. Winston races retire. There's no michael on this is team is running out trade on swit- smith and marquess. Calloway an and deonte harris at receiver with john johnson at tight end and everyone listening podcast is like who are those people. And that's my point right you you go from saints team. That was built around. Michael thomas drew brees. And that's what we just knew as success to now be a four point home underdog where wasn't necessarily great the last year anyway and winston ways guy surgery. Can you finally decide which team to throw to there. I think if they came out and made a statement it could be. We could really changed the narrative. I saw today. Darrell tweeted out. That the center of the most bet on team to miss the playoffs. I think people are going to start doing. Take if they would make it. I think on my end and this is by no means a vote of support but if philadelphia word a win on the road against atlanta you hear a lot of people say you know what i really like. It landed this year. And i'm always gun shy atlanta because anybody who's ever bet them over the last few years knows how much of a roller coaster they are where you feel good about this game and all of a sudden they just completely lay nagin. You're like oh my god. What has happened and right now. The narrative on the eagles is is jalen. Hurts our quarterback. This team is going to be one of the worst in the division in. I'm not hearing a lot of love for them. So from a perception standpoint if philly were to get this win on the road i think it would at least get us thinking a little bit differently. Certainly if jalen hurts found a way to be spectacular or lead a fourth quarter comeback. Yeah honestly that game has some bad prop lawrence. I i agree with you. I i think the giants same category in the nfc east. Where if they came out and beat denver team people are now high on their two and a half point underdogs. That people are him. The maybe they've got jason garrett aren't the worst people ever not that i think they're great at their jobs but i think people the giants a lot of crap jalen hurts passing prop came out to twenty five which seems very low in two or three restarts. Last year he threw for over three hundred yards. I understand that he started a th game but the eagles punched him very early. 'cause they were gonna make the playoffs. We're trying to tank for graphic. My kyle pits. Everybody who doesn't love. I feel like you know. Most people's moms is their favorite person on planet. Earth like moms like. Oh that's my boy. I'm so proud of him but twitter taking over and they are more proud of kyle traits that his mom is at this point number came out of forty devante smith came out at forty three and a half and he goes are very low. Lines for a game should shoot out. I think that game is going to be off on between two teams. That aren't great but some good football players in good football players. I'm curious your thoughts on kyle. Because certainly in the fantasy community everybody is in love with him but there's also the narrative that first year tight ends and often times i end second-year tight ends. Don't exactly break out until year. Three and the expectations for cow pits are through the roof and we also haven't seen a tight end drafted this high and i sort of see all sides. Here's a guy who's unlike anything we've seen before except we did see vernon davis ways ago where you're like. Whoa look at this athletic freak. And i'm curious on your expectations for kyle pits and certainly as it relates to the prop market. Because we see offense it's going to be throwing a ton we see how much of a physical force that he can be very. Also just i look at history and know that it takes some time for a tight ends to develop into who they need to be. Tj hopkinson was a top ten. Pick understand top five top tennis different. Oj howard was up there in terms of just absolute free score. I think what helps this is that he's more of a receiver than he is a pure tight end. Which we saw with. Evan ingraham is this line Originally came out at age. Seventy four and a half. I think in. Nfl history only three tight ends might only be two ever gone over. That number like is it. It is the hardest position of transfer from college to the nfl. I think because you're just asked to do so many things now. I think they're gonna play him a lot as a big slot and kinda work football in with him. And you know matt ryan throws forty plus times a game can really can only catch so many passes so i think he's gonna have a good year i think he's going to disappoint people who think are out there like he's gonna break justin jefferson's recor. He's for thirteen hundred yards and ten touchdowns. He's probably not right but i think he's going to be a solid weekly contributor. I think he's gonna discipline and fantasy but at the same time forty yards for me. I mean i have. I always mind at fifty which is right around. We project it so i think there's real value it. His player property week one. I think the betting market is low on him with props. But i think the fence communities too high or basically if you look at his median projection were. We are all so far over. Yeah cow was nowhere on my draft. Raider i got a lot more. Tj hodkinson because i like the breakout potential and certainly as you talked about in an offense where there's virtually no wide receivers like you can't even name who they are in detroit so moving onto the next segment called pickle loser loser and the purpose of this segment is to think differently where we want to identify a losing bet and the reason for this is because we always want to pick winners but can you identify a bet that is not going to win and of this entire slates the very first game that stood out to me of all of them in this makes me sick about to say this it was the jags versus the texans and i looked in the jaguars were laying three on the road and i was like wait. A second you're telling me a rookie quarterback with a first-time nfl head. Coach is laying three by principle. I do not care who they're playing against the next game me my pickle losers the jags minus three from a foundation standpoint in elliott. I've actually got a question for you. Because i didn't know this before i looked it up. Can you tell me who in the world. The texans head coaches colleague. Right from the ravens. Well yeah i had no idea. I did look and see that. He came from andy reached tree in was from baltimore. So kudos to you for actually known that. What actually makes me feel good about this. Bet is tyrod taylor. Tyrod taylor is a veteran that if we remember last year he was supposed to be the starter in san diego. Guess for the chargers before their medical team headed mishap. Boom here goes justin herbert's trajectory. So i feel better. Getting three points with tyrod taylor and while the texans don't have sexy players on them they've got a bunch of mark ingram's in philip lindsay's and david johnson's. I'm not writing home to tell anybody about that. But when look at what's on the other side of the jags not only had one victory last year. There is no way. I am laying three points with the jags so the jags pick a loser of the week. What about you. I like that a lot. I've written up the texans as one of the better like Pool spread. Because i think everyone's going to pick the jaguars forgetting yes therefore accolades much improve. They did go on fifteen last year. The texans are the worst team football but laying three on the road. That just feels grossly. I think the texans are there right. So i won't game but i think your your pick a loser. I i like where you're going with it for me. I'm gonna go with the jets i. They are much improved team. There's there's no more roberts. I'll against fading a rookie quarterback. I think the panthers are going to surprise people to give the jet secondary a ton of problems. The jets just lost carl austin. Who is there marquee. Offseason edition on the defense who finally was supposed to replace a basically be their first real ed rusher since john abraham his backup vinny curry is also outfit season. They traded for shack lawson because they have no ability to get pressure on the edge. So you can't get pressure on the edge and you can't cover anybody. Their number one corner was just cut. Blessing awesome they. Don't have a single guy on the roster who is greater than a fifth round pick and they're covering dj. more robbie. anderson turns marshall. So i really. I think the panthers are going to have some major advantages against them on offense and i think they're going up winning especially by double digits. Loser will be the new york justice and elliott. It is worth noting that you are a jets fan correct. And i think that they're going to be more fun this year but rookie quarterback going up against a defense that prides itself on takeaways with an offense on the other side. That has majored manages everywhere. They go plus they get christian. Mccaffrey back. I just think that's a lot to ask. Jessica what are your thoughts on. Zach wilson i mean with you following the team so much. I think i would value your opinion more than most. Listen i wish they took justin fields but it was pretty obvious le who they were gonna take from the jump and he looked great against the packers. Preseason there's not a lotta throws. He can't make. I think there's going to be some growing pains going from byu to the nfl. Where he even said a lot in practice are making a lot of these throws learning that. I can't make them at this level guys close quickly and that's going to you. Know play itself out in games. I think he's gonna look phenomenal times. And i think he's gonna make some bonehead plays which is kind of basically being a top rookie quarterback right so i liked his odd that ten to one to win rookie year because i think if they can win seven or eight games. He's got a shot to do that. Because rookie quarterbacks tend to win that award antenna one. I think he's now down to seventy one or seven and a half to one now depending on where you where you look. I think the jets will get better as the season goes on. I think they don't match up with yeah in carolina. What i like so much about. Their team is matt rule in the culture that he's built even last year. We saw them exceed expectations. And i haven't laid any action on this game yet. I would lean towards carolina. Just because i believe in what they're building there but i think a lot of does determine on. Hey what's going to go on with sam. Darnold is the jets version the real version or being put in a different system with a lot more offensive talent around him. Is that the thing that unlocks because remember. I believe he's only twenty three years old. Which is virtually nothing. Probably at that point. Aaron rodgers hadn't even started a game yet so there's still plenty of time for development so elliott as we wrap this up. Are there any other games or nuggets of info that you like that. You wanna share an amazing slate. Honestly i think one of the biggest things right now is to be on top of player props as they release and you know about fifteen minutes the show discount to new games. I'm guessing you know wednesday thursday. All they're all out by kickoff tomorrow. They're moving quickly because the books are putting out bad minds. I mean deontay. Johnson over the fifty two at sixty harris. Oh damon harris opened up a fifty eight hundred seventy antonio brown opened up at forty four. He's at sixty. Tom brady opened up to eighty five. Now as high as three ten and people love to prop right those lines. Time to go up. They say when you wanna bet fire problems but the over early the weight but it's important to understand the books also quite frankly you know especially if you're a fantasy player like you've done so much research on these guys have a really good sense of their roles like i'll give you a play that i really like antonio gifts over twelve and a half carrots there is no no one. That's taking him off the field on first and second down. They are home. Favorite is we have a projected at fifteen. I'm not even saying he's going to be efficient. I'm just going to say he's going to get the ball. We saw all preseason. Basically whenever he's on the field he gets the ball. Keenan allen's player prop line for receptions five and a half. You could not find him for under six and a half last year ever like justin herbert's there. He's locked eight plus targets. He averaged over eleven with justin herbert when he didn't leave a game first quarter so those are two lines were. The books have not adjusted to their roles this year in to their volume and i can just bet straight on their volume. So i'm willing to take some of that stuff i'm willing to take. That are whose numbers are too low early and then sunday look for some guys late. Where the markets kinda inflatable. I love the way that you think about this in so we understand wendy you start looking for the prop lines that we can start building our own process. Yeah so i mean. I think they're gonna come out a little bit earlier this year than they did last year. The so much in related news last year that the books of waited till friday. I think they're gonna start coming out. Wednesday thursday this week. I always try to check like honestly every hour starting wednesday morning. 'cause the lines are i mean. I grabbed calvin really at seventy seven receiving yards and fifteen minutes later. He was at eighty five. I think they move. Quickly and numbers can dissipate. But that's that's a great opportunity and then near the also open up middling opportunities and they always say that a great way to determine whether or not you're plus Better right is. Are you beating the closing line. So early in the week is great and as you get information if you can react to that information quicker than the book do it. I think the biggest mistake people make is they bet on especially new gamblers and this is this is like just a human mentality. They bet on something because of something as if the bookstores say like. I'm betting on the bucks. Because i'm betting on tom brady. That's great but where. They're aware that tom brady. Is there like if you're saying that. We'll tom raise valued at six points. And i haven't nine. That makes a lot of constantly. But if you're just saying well the bucks. Have tom brady. So i'm vietnam bucks. It's like this isn't breaking information right so understanding what bits of information you feel are edges that the books have yet to react to as opposed to overvaluing something they already know. Elliot i love the way that you break that down. I love your mindset around both fantasy sports betting in certainly props working. Everybody connect with you. You follow me on twitter at elliot. Chris one l. Won t know agent. Chris and all my work can be found on. Espn bets dot com around pay. Well but all the all we've got modeling we've got projections. We got all kinds of different tools that come with it as well and then all the content is free so anytime i write up. Pick or anything like that. Single-game arcing gain is harleys. That'd be doing a lot of that stuff this year. Two which is correlated which is a great way to do that kind of stuff so and to and what. This sharp six hundred we are. Community driven podcast. And what i mean by this. Is i get down like you down so this weekend but elliott myself going to be playing fantasy. We're going to be betting on sports. We're going to be locked into red zone multiple. Tv's twitter so much going on so when you've got action let us know about it because we like to be part of this sports betting community and support each other. And i want to hear from you. Do you have a pick a loser. Big mic my line parlay of the week or a get comfortable being uncomfortable abets. You can hit me up on twitter at rob cressey. I'm also on instagram. And remember if you wanna be a sharp. Don't be a square with your bankroll be disciplined with your money to fit the one two three your accent south up to up to say i got the to lost.

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How can the Giants be more efficient in 2019?

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33:12 min | 2 years ago

How can the Giants be more efficient in 2019?

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We also do talk about college football every now and then, like mascot fights announcers, fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to college football, exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. The review podcast. I am Dan Zuta joint to you by Chris foam, Chris. Hey, doing it at all things considered I think doing pretty well. All right. Get to here. So we are still here in kind of the, the real dead. Periods is kind of where we get not a lot going on. There was some rookie Campbell last week OT as don't really start for a little bit. So we're in this between period where there was some football. There's gonna be some football in a little bit. But nothing really crazy coming out. So we have just some time to play around. So what we're going to do today is, it's a little bit of a look back in a little bit of a look forward, what we want to do today is look at some of the places the giants could improve to be more efficient, and we're mostly going to look at the authentic side of the ball, and just look at some places where the giants can be more efficient and just game plan a Whittal. Better in twenty nineteen. Now, this isn't going to be a podcast, this talk about how bad the giants were in twenty eighteen because that's not totally the case. The giants for what they were west year ended up being a somewhat efficient offense. They were in the top half of football outsiders, Devi away. A lot of that was because of big plays. I'm going to be writing about big plays at that they created at some point, maybe next week, maybe the week after of at some point suit, and how that kind of brought the going, but as we know the big plays or not going to be incredibly sustainable from year to year. So I think there's a couple of just strategic edges that the giants can work their way towards with the personnel. They have right now to give them just a little bit more of an edge going forward into twenty thousand nine yeah. The. All things considered their offense wasn't terrible. Last year. It was the best offense just overall in the NFC east, despite the fact that they had the worst record in the NFC east. I think that does tend to get lost a little bit, and they do some things. Well, they just didn't do them. Particularly consistently, though that did start to change towards the end of the year at for me in particular over the summer with the offense. I'm going to be concentrating on just the last two games because I personally noticed a distinct change in their scheming, and game planning in those games. Right. So what the giants authentic was a lot in twenty eighteen was like we just said a lot of the big plays, but not a lot of the down to down consistency and over time. Those big plays are going to help a lot. They are going to come at an opportune time like a number of them did. But the play the play consistency. That's not there is kind of what kept the offense back from being a consistent scoring offense than one that just had those flashes and they'll splashes were great. Those flashes showed you. Maybe there's a little bit more to this offense that can be taken out, and this kind of just what we're going to talk about today, the some of the things they can just change a little bit, some strategic tendencies, they can flip just a Whittal to try to get that down to down consistency there a little more. So the big plays will help even more in the ball can continue to be moved down the field. And I think the first thing we're going to start with is the way the giants handled I down last year. So we know the giants want to run the ball. But last year, they ended up being one of the most pass heavy offenses in the week, which probably is going to surprise some people overall. They had the fifth highest rate in the week of passes. But a part of that was because of how much they tried to run the ball so on first and ten in the first half of the game. So really before anything gets out of hand before the score really st-. Parts to affect what plays or going to be called? The giants were forty seven percent pass on first and ten which was the seventh lowest rate into Lisa. They were one of the most run heavy authentic in the week on first and ten Indo situations. What we know right now is that passing the ball is more efficient on first down. So if you can flip that do that a little more on first down that will gain more yards on average, that'll set you up for easier second down. That'll set you up for easier third downs. When running is then, more efficient, and that will set up the offense little better. I wrote real early indie twenty eight thousand teeth about how the giants elax of gaining yard on first down was making them. They were one of the most pass heavy offenses on third down because of how few yards they picked up on first and second down. And a lot of that was because of their commitment to run in that situation. Yeah. And it really just kind of a simple logic question if you have a running back, who is really consistently good saquon Barkley averaged five yards a carry last year. But that's also factoring in all his big plays. But you have to be a really bad quarterback to average five yards per attempt. I don't have it in front of me. But I believe he li- averaged somewhere between six and seven yards per attempt in through the air last year. You, you might have in front of you. Now, he was he was better than he was about the average at, at seven point five. Okay. So yet, if you're on first down, you're trying to get a drive going. You have a choice between handing the ball off and hopefully picking up five yards or to throw the ball and pick up seven and a half it which point your face with either a second and two or a second in three to me. That's just. Simple, math and logic. You you wanna take the shorter down in distance. Yeah. And that's one of the things that when you start to really study the efficiency is of the passing versus running the first and ten is really one of the biggest places where it stands out, passing is so much more efficient on first down. And really when you ask people why they want to run first down. It's to gain yards and set up a manageable third-down that shouldn't be what you're trying to achieve you should be trying to achieve first downs, and easiest way to do that is to pass. And if you're getting more gains than you might end up with that shorter third down. And that's where running is more efficient. So I would love to see the giants kind of flip there for us if he has more on first down run more on third down. And that's going to be the start just even thinking, put that mindset is going to be a more efficient use of the players, they have, and a more. Efficient way to gain the yards that they want to gain. Yeah. And I think that kind of flows into the next area, we're gonna talk about. And that's just trying to exploited the defense, the giants really didn't care. What the defense was doing when they ran the ball saquon Barkley ran against a seven or more man front on three quarters of his carries. That is. Almost criminal, especially when you consider that on the, the remaining quarter of his carries when he faced a light box. He averaged almost seven yards a carry as opposed to less than five when running against seven or more men in the box by this is something I wrote about this week on big view because one thing we know is the giants do want to run the ball. So as much as we have in the past kind of just screamed about how the giants should just pass more be a pass first offense. We know that's not a reality. So when I wrote this week at big view is held a giants can just be a more efficient run game. And just some ways they can exploit some edges there. And one of them is manipulating the box count for the defense what we know right now through multiple studies is that the offense can control the defensive box count. You can control the defensive. Personnel by your offensive personnel. So if you have multiple tight ends on the field, the defense is likely to stay in base and have more linebackers on the field. If you are in a very tight formation with those multiple tight ends, then the box is likely to be stacked. So last year, the giants had the fewest percentage of their rushing attempts of boxes with seven defenders, or fewer, and that is something they can control. It's not because of the, the frequency of the run because Seattle who was the league's most run heavy team. They had the fifth highest rate of runs against boxes of seven or fewer I it's not about teams fearing saquon Barkley because the Rams were fourth in that category. The chiefs were six the Cowboys were twelve the saints, we're fourteenth when you look at other guys like the Browns were just ahead of the giants as much as you might like Nick chub. And so he's not a super. Scary. Running back teams are going to be really game planning against. They're not saying we need to stack the box against Nick Chubb. So this is something the offense can't control by personnel and by formation and it's something either the giants were unaware of last year or just didn't really care about, and so many of their runs against a stacked boxes of eight or more. And we know that you can death. This is from Josh hers Meyer, who is an NFL writer for five thirty eight. He did a study last off season that you can predict about eighty four percent of running backs yards per carry just by knowing the box count. He ran against. So when that's something the offense can control. That's something the giants should take a look at the Rams. I have an example in here the way they use their personnel. And therefore mations opens up the field for Todd Gurley and he barely ever ran against an eight-man box. And when you think of the ram. And the run game day use that quite a bit. And for as good as it was even when C J Anderson was in, in this goes back to even twenty seventeen in Sean McVay is first season. The Rams don't run against stacked boxes. Because they know that is not to their advantage. But the giants consistently ran against AC boxes and you can look at some obsequious Barclays, highlight runs and some of them are against these stacked boxes. Because as soon as he gets past that, second level he's gone, but you shouldn't want to have that option because there were so many negative runs in there too. If you can get more of this, consistency. With more space, the idea should be getting saquon Barkley into space now making saquon Barkley make defenders miss, which is a one of what the giants game plan looked like last year. Yeah. And unfortunately that just the game plan of superstar skill position player and a prayer was all, too common basically, over the last five years for the. I four was down a prayer, which, yes that did work out that got them to the playoffs in two thousand sixteen but it isn't really a consistent predictable reliable game plan. You really wanna be putting these guys in position to just completely maximize their talents and their ability to create explosive plays. And they're not going to do that, if they have to make five defenders miss before they can even gain a positive yard, you mentioned the Rams and Todd Gurley. Girly is he has been in the MVP conversation, the last two years, and he still faced a light front, a late tackle box on almost forty five percent of his carries last year? He he only faced a heavy box on less than fifteen percent. So it's not the fear of the running back, but as you say the offensive scheme that is controlling it the first twelve weeks of the season last year. The Rams ran eleven personnel, which is three receivers one. Tight end went running back on ninety nine percent of their plays. I we thought the giants were doing a lot doing it. A lot under Ben mcadoo in two thousand sixteen when he ran eleven on something like ninety percent. The Rams did it way more, but it worked because they used their personnel to manipulate the defense to create those opportunities for Todd Gurley and then ran the ball. Yeah. And like you said it it's something the fence can control. And it's something that what I think, really concerns me is how that shifted in that the second half and especially in the final four games of the season. With. Out Odell Beckham the giants ran forty two point three percent of their rushing attempts were into boxes of eight or more. That's not good. That's something that just shouldn't have to be done again, when the offense can control that you either don't know about it, which is bad, or you don't care about it. Which is we're twins worse. Yeah. So this is something you can run out of eleven personnel. You can still have two tight ends on the field and the way you use the splits of where the tight ends are wind up can manipulate that box in that just gives you a better advantage. You want more time before saquon Barkley has to make that first defender, miss, and he's likely going to make that I defend her miss, so you would rather that be five yards past the line of scrimmage, then at the line of scrimmage or sometimes behind it, like it wasn't twenty eighteen. Yeah. There's also the flip side to that, where if the giants by running either twelve with two tight end personnel or Twenty-one with two backs which will probably would probably be a fullback. They're probably not going to run a two running back set despite how much we would like to see it if they're inviting the defense to stack the box than throw over the defense is head run a play action, which if the defense is expecting Ron and you show them run. And the offense of line does could job of blocking aggressively like they would be running the ball, the defense will bite on that. They have to that is just baked into the DNA of an NFL events or really any defense. You honor your run fits. So then that just completely opens off the passing game. It's basically free yardage. Yep. Part of that is running some more play action, which is something we've talked about very often. And then one thing is this was on our list might as well just get to a now is passing from heavier formations and passing more like from twelve personnel. So, like we said that the giants when they were running, they were using the heavy personnel to run and inviting heavy boxes, they were still in eleven personnel, which is three wide receivers. One running back in one tight end. They still use that fifty seven percent of the time, which is much lower than they have in recent years when they were in that personnel, they still passed seventy three percent of the time from that person, no package and they only ran twenty seven percent of the time. So, like we said, you wanna use eleven personality spread the defense out and run the giants didn't do that. They were more than seventy thirty path. In that personnel. And then when they went to twelve personnel, which is too tight ends which used twenty four percent of the time, which was one of the higher rates in the league. They were fifty eight percent run and forty two percent pass you want those to be either closer to fifty fifty or switch. You don't want to give a tell just by the personnel your running out. So one of the things with fifty eight percent run is now inviting the box in the forty two percent pass, if you can pass out of twelve personnel that's almost like running play action, which we know is good and benefits the offense. That's almost like running point action because the defense because of the personnel package already already thinks run. So they're going to be using that, so I just I have some numbers of the differences between the passing in a weapon in twelve personnel last year. This is for solutions and this is week, why west year at of eleven personnel teams. Average seven point one six yards per attempt zero point zero three expected points added per attempt and had a forty nine point five percent positive play rate, which is the percentage of points that have positive expected, points added that was out of eleven personnel out of twelve personnel. They ever GE eight point eight yards per tempt zero point one five EPA per attempt and a positive play rate of fifty four percent. So you're automatically improving your offense just by running out of twelve personnel again. Because if you have someone like say, Evan Ingram, even bread Ellison, when you use them at the same time if you have to good receiving tight ends, you still have those receiving options and the defense is probably going to be in base. Probably with a linebacker who can't cover one of those tight ends very well. And that gives you the advantage reset that help you because they're playing the bass. They're expecting the run. Now, add play action to twelve personnel and teams last year. Average nine point wouldn't. Nine yards per tempt, still zero point one five EPA per attempt. So when you when you had play action, you're, you're adding a yard just by being in twelve personnel. You're adding another yard per attempt by running play action out of twelve personnel. So as a team that's probably going to be running a lot of two tight end sets. You want that run passport to be more even and that's going to give you an advantage in the passing game. Yeah, I have been a fan of the twelve personnel package for a long time. Now in fact, I think I wrote about it in depth the first time way back in two thousand seventeen after the giants added red Ellison and Ingram. And I really loved the package with Evan Ingraham because you can approximate an eleven personnel package with Evan Ingram moving him around to the slot or even outside or even moving Berkeley out end approximating of four wide receiver set. And it is just so much more efficient because of the height weight speed mismatch. You're going to get on either a defensive back or a linebacker. It's one of the things you that comes up all the time. Especially with the player like Evan Ingram. The linebackers are not fast enough to cover him. And defensive backs are generally not big enough to cover him and. Yet. This is something I would definitely change about the giants offense. They only through to him on crossing routes for the most part. I think more than half of his yardage came after the catch which is generally indicative of shallow routes making up, most of your targets, and while he is very good after the catch with his athleticism. He would just be that much more effective being targeted down the field going down the seam, or even just running slants as opposed to crossing routes cast. So let's get to that, because that is on our list to an etch just targeting. Evan Ingram down the field more often, which is something over Evan Ingram's two years. Right now, a has not been the case in his rookie year, he was almost exclusively a short across. Routes and do just barely running in front of the line of scrimmage, and he was one of the efficient tight ends in the week by football outsiders DA, because of that he was not getting any space and was getting the ball very close to the line of scrimmage, and didn't really have the ability to do anything after he was much better after the catch this year, but still targeted very close to the line of scrimmage, so next stats affirmed. The NFL tracks health far in average, depth of target is they call it intended area odds of target. So among the receivers with at least forty three targets last year, and that's who they consider qualified. They have a formula for that among one hundred fourteen players with those forty three targets Ingram was one hundred eleven in intended air yards at four point nine so he was on average fewer than five yards past the line of scrimmage that is not something you want someone like. Evan ingrid. You have like white Barkley with his ability to break tackles, just because Ingram can run after the catch doesn't mean he should exclusively be running after the catch. You wrote a post this week. It's at summer school post is going to break down a couple of points. One of the first point you broke down was twenty seven yard gain to Evan Ingram. That was on, like a variation of y cross which got him open down the field or go bit. I've when I've been looking up the big play peace. There was a fifty three yard pass against Tampa Bay were Ingram was the running down the one of the few times, we saw him do that. So Ingram has that ability to win in both areas of the field. So just because he's a very good run after the catch player does not meet. He shouldn't be targeted more down. The field of which is where you get when you look at the EPA value. Of passes near the line of scrimmage or down the field. The the higher expected points is down the field. So when you have a receiver who can win down in that area, especially someone as big and as fast as an Ingram, they should be using that more. Yes. And I would also add that he really, really should be used more in the red zone. He was one of the best red zone weapons in the league his rookie season. Basically, the only time he wasn't running assure crossing. Route was when he was running at stick nod route that just was basically uncovering inside of the fifteen twenty yard line. And this year he only got by targets in the red zone. Which was only fifteen percent of the giants just going by player, profiler dot com. Fifteen percent of the giants target share in the red zone. So if you've got a weapon like that use it. Yeah. Absolutely. I think there are just win more efficient ways that Ingram can be used. And I think there was some hope for that before the season last year, and that kind of crumbled into the very short a quick pass dump off offense that it became so hopefully, maybe the realization of what was expected last season is going to continue and actually manifest itself this season. And when we talk about that, and who should be targeted down the field a little more and we can get to our last thing. And it's something we talked about so many times season and read three you're down the field just past the line of scrimmage, and that's how they use saquon Barkley in the passing game. It's so many of his passes for just behind the line of scrimmage, and that is such a waste of what saquon Barkley can do. So with today before. Forty seven percent of his targets and fifty two point seven percent of his receptions happened behind the line of scrimmage in twenty eighteen and that is absolutely insane. That is one putting him at a disadvantage for the gaming yards which should be the point. It usually put a defender, either that he had to break a tackle behind the line of scrimmage or very near the line of scrimmage, which is asking a lot of him. And it's just it's a detriment to the offense to be starting behind the line of scrimmage. And then when you look at other similar backs to Barclay alva- Kamera when we had thirty one point four percent of his targets and thirty eight point two percent of his receptions behind the line of scrimmage last year. Christian McCaffrey we had thirty seven point one percent of his targets and forty two point one percent of his perceptions behind the line of scrimmage, and those are the two kind of profile in a similar way to win in the areas that Barkley does those guys were getting targeted in front of the line of scrimmage. Way, more often than Barkley was. They were getting more yards, therefore, we're more efficient and they were more helpful to the offense. So. And even when it wasn't like the panic check downs. There were still a lot of throws do Barclay behind the line of scrimmage, and I think the giants just really need to do a better job of figuring out how to get Barkley the ball in space in front of the line of scrimmage because that's just going to be the best Nario for everyone involved. Yeah. I, I think that I couch as game last year. Exemplified. How they were used him in how they used him really way too often. He's targeted sixteen times he had fourteen receptions and eighty yards at the time we both kind of marveled, how do you do this? How do you catch the ball fourteen times and only get eighty yards out of it? His longest catch. That game was eighteen yards. While winter catching the ball five yards behind the line of scrimmage. That's how it happens. Yeah. And that's just something we saw it so often. And that is one thing. I think we can all agree. Whether you like the direction the offense was going to agree with some of the moves if Barclay is still getting thrown at behind the line of scrimmage and twenty nineteen it is going to be hard for the offense to consistently move the ball and just all of these things we're talking about right now. It's not things were, you know, refreshed with or saying the giants are bad at these are. All just suggestions that the giants is should look at Hugh, take to bring that officiency up a widow more because the way the offense is structured now, they're going to need to get all of those just whittle the little edges that they can to, to keep the offense going, and just doing maybe one or two of these things could bring the down to down consistency higher for the offense and that's going to help out so and this these should be things that NFL teams are doing especially around this area, self scouting trying to figure out what could be improved upon. And we these are just five pretty easy things to fix for the giants heading into twenty nineteen. Yeah. And especially the receiving part of it. Berkeley was number two. Among running backs in receptions, after he was change a few of those little Dumbo. Off route to an angle route which around the offense of defensive lines and just behind the linebacker's. It's a quick easy. Route the giants do have it in their offense. I believe when Goldman got a touchdown off of one last year that might have been in the preseason. But still, and then there's also the wheel route, which Barkley runs extremely well and Fitz his athletic ability, like a glove. That is basically a game, breaking play when he runs it to just those two little changes could really take the shackles off of him. And just let him explode in the open field, and that should be everyone's goal debt. Saquon Barkley into more open space allow him to do more of what saquon Barkley does and make doing that be easier on him. That, that should be. Everyone's goal. And this is the easiest way to do it in that when we talk about the running game to a white in the box, and allow him more space to run. Get him the ball in front of the line of scrimmage allow him. More space to run that should be the goal right now. Whether you agree with how this roster has been built, or not this saquon Barkley is going to be the biggest piece of this offense. And making sure he is in the best possible situation to succeed. I should be. Everyone's main concern for what is offense is going to, like, at least twenty nine hundred and probably will be on that, yet that pretty much covers it. I think yeah, so we're going to continue, I think as the off season continues, and there's not a lot of actual football going on a we're going to try to bring some pieces, like this kind of talk a little bore on field strategy a tendency. And things like that throughout the summer as so so we can change it up a little bit. And we're not just going to give you the same just things about news. That's not really happening. So we hope you enjoyed this episode. We'll try to change it up and bring some more exciting things as a we get through the month of nothing exciting really happening unless you wanna get real excited for OTA's. 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"Hiring is challenging especially with everything else you have to consider today, but there's one place you can go where hiring is simple fast and smart that police ziprecruiter. ziprecruiter is so effective that four out of five employers who post on Ziprecruiter, get a quality candidate within the first day and right now to try ziprecruiter for free, my listeners can go to ziprecruiter dot com slash Kellerman K., e. l. l. e. r.. M.. A. N. that's ziprecruiter dot com slash Kellerman ziprecruiter dot com slash Kellerman ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire. This is the Max Kellerman. Show Kellerman show on ESPN radio. COVERAGE ON ESPN radio. ESPN new the SPN APP Sirius Xm Channel Eighty and on your smart speaker presented by Progressive Insurance guests to hear the via. Not. Appear The via just appear via Vuk the I reversed the order of those words. Appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance line just eighty eight, say ESPN eight, eight, eight, seven, nine, three, seven, seven, six, and the Max Kellerman show is brought to you by Shell motorist. Pennzoil synthetic motor oils are made from natural gas. It gives you. Unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence for a wear test using s e five W. Thirty when I say those letters and numbers all put together Raj I feel like when I. I'm talking the same language when you tell me about Messi. Making, the most of you are you burying the lead messy is going be leaving Barcelona says, guess where he wants to go Max. There could only one destination now right? He was a man you but tell me what? Five W thirty years that is. All right look. Man You. You're just making stuff up now. Why is it? The soccer fans get so Offended when you point out that it's boring. Like, put it this way baseball's boring. I, know it I love baseball. It's exciting to me because I grew up with it. I. I like baseball the. This is my favorite team sport notice. We don't really talk about it on the. Radio. Or on TV that much know why it's an inferior consumer product to basketball and football. It's a fact on your opinion. My opinion is it's my favorite. But if I want to analyze it, I have to admit basketball and football superior products. Were exciting. But if you to a soccer fan what can sacrifice your say look I grew up with I. Love It. Or? For whatever came to it later but it appeals to me forever. But yes, I could see if you want to analyze it. Of course, it's you know it's a primitive form of basketball. Basketball to soccer, and then I'm GONNA get down to Lebron. James Basketball to soccer is like Soccer is monkey and basketball is man it is the evolution of soccer. People. Look at what do we have to run up and down on one hundred yard field for because on TV it looks like they're running really slowly. Let. You know we we shortened the the field of play and we more much more up and down action on TV. It's a TV, consumers were. Going up and down, fast, more interesting to watch who says. That because we have opposable thumbs and it's more difficult to use our feet to manipulate objects career don't use our hands to show the skill with our feet. Why not use our hands we do after all have opposable. Thumbs. Even. The sound of dribbling a ball is more satisfying than just kicking the soccer ball. Then who says, we have to put this the goal on the ground let's show athletic ability athleticism. Let's put it up in the air. Why not? This is better and also why have a goalie whose job it is to stop people from scoring people like scoring, take away the goalie effect. If you block the goal, it's goaltending. We're GONNA candidates two points anyway or maybe three. It's the evolution of soccer by the way. So is football read Sal Paolantonio book how Football Explains America it's an answer to Franklin. Fours Fiore's book. How soccer explains the world And I really like South House book. I think he's on the money. And basically the reason I bring it up is because you know the deans of Ivy League schools like why aren't even coming to the soccer matches? Let's change the rules. The Rules Committee still exists to this day. Let's make it something awesome and they did. So like I don't know what it is about soccer fans who have to insist that it's just as exciting as football just admit it. You like it better was holding that against you. There's a reason it's not talked about all over the airwaves. Same reason is baseball not as good. All right look. Police and Lebron James Sound from the game presser. Don't forget. Kobe. Bryant They Mamba Day yesterday eight twenty four. The Lakers at one point led twenty, four eight. And they demolished the blazers instead of a two series. It's three one what a way to honor Kobe on Momma Day here's Lebron. James. Has Been An honor to just put them laker uniform. Even before the passing of the Great Kobe Bryant. tonight with another one of those moments off my cell phone log innovation bought players that that was able to wear those uniforms that was inspired by him and his mind and his creativity and one day removed from his birthday, and then his his day of eight twenty four to be able to have a game on this day. The stars aligned. I. Did notice that we were up twenty four to eight because I'm always trying to figure out what's going on throughout the course of the game. I'm always looking if we're out with down with the team fouls and all of that nature and when I looked at twenty four to eight, I was out. Okay. He's here in the building. So you know it was beautiful beautiful knife far far franchise and something that we probably will always remember. Look no one could argue anyone against Jordan the he reigned towered above contemporaries but you people argue you could argue shack and Dunkin. Kobe only one one regular season MVP. In Lebron's Best. No one really competed with him but but regular season, you know guys like D. and Steph and James Harden. Started to challenge those MVP's and super. Team with K D. started beating beating them for the championship. But in a larger way, because there's a reason, big men centers don't sell sneakers they're hard to identify with and they're not ball handlers and they're not. They can't get their own shot quite the same way. And and they're not the almost never the face of the league right as charismatic shack was or even a guy is charismatic embiid hours. Productive is as Corinne was once upon a time. The in the imagination of the basketball public, the torch was passed from Michael Jordan to Kobe Bryant to Lebron James. So I mean. Listen. At Kobe's few. At his service at staples. Center. Why did Jordan get up and talk? Because he feels the same thing. The rest of US feels like Kobe's like son of Jordan. And in a way, it's the same thing Kobe to Lebron even though Lebron's mentality is a little different than Kobe and Michael's but still in that kind of larger way. He took the torch from Kobe's the face of the League as the League's best player. And he's aware of now he's playing for the Lakers and what a way to honor. Kobe. Damian in La. You're on the Max Kellerman show ESPN radio. I've been listening to you long enough to know that you're doing just fine. So I wanted to share my fondest colby memory. Mine and my son's it was season opener Kobe's last year you Raj and he who shall not be named broadcasting outside of urban you can name Marcellus Marcella. That's my guy man. We got the privilege to meet you guys me and my son and I shared with my son, the story of you and your daughter Esther of how. You know always remember the day that you got to Kobe. Bryant play. Second hold on one second. What Damian referring to is I took my daughter Esther to a Yankees game, at Anaheim, at the angels park and and. Derek. Jeter Mariano Rivera were in the game and Andy Pettitte was in in this game and they were all about to retire and I pointed them out to her and she was maybe three years old four years old who knew but I wanted to make sure she had a memory of this. So I'd say Esther look at that. That's Mariano Rivera. The greatest to ever did it always remember the day that you saw him pitch and so Damian you're saying you did the same with your son and Kobe. Was Damien. Well brings. The most joy to me is last week me and my son are driving around now he was about eight years old at that time roughly four years ago. And the joy I felt when we heard you on the radio again, and my son was like, oh, is that Max Kellerman? Yes. I, remember the day I saw Kobe Bryant play of the day I met Max. Keller. Wanted to share that with you. One of my deepest fondest memories we love you. We were glad we have you back on the radio on the way. Rumble young man rumble. That's it. Mariano Rivera Kobe Bryant and me. What was game they used to play on Sesame Street, which one of us isn't the same which was doesn't belong. Anyway So much of sports is. That it's the generational memories, you know how much of that is demarcation of time? If you're a business owner, you have a lot on your plate right now. But ziprecruiter makes your hiring process easier. Cafe tour is Coo Dylan Moskowitz needed to hire a director of coffee. So he went to ziprecruiter dot com slash Kellerman posted his job and found the best person for the role in just a few days with results like that. 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Radio Espn News, the ESPN APP and Sirius Xm Channel Eighty, and on your smart speaker presented by Progressive Insurance get your quote at Progressive Dot com today. On the Max Kellerman show you will hear from. Clearly entertaining people. And also the smart people, and hopefully they're the same people. And I want to. Welcome in now this is where sometimes before I, go on I take, I have a theory about something. If I really WANNA. Know wait. Am I just way off base because maybe it's counter intuitive or I check in with this dude Warrant sharp sharp analytics. Via the Shell Pennzoil performance line. warned you there. I'm here Max Excellent thank you for joining me. Jump right into it because they're telling me I got a hard out at in six minutes. So I have a lot of questions are you ready? I'm ready. Let's go. Okay. Earl Thomas boy he must have been a problem for them to release them because I think he's still good not maybe what he wants us but I think he's still good. Am I right? Am I wrong how good is Earl Thomas Right now? Earl Thomas is still a major difference maker because he's still very good from the passing perspective he's not nearly as good of a A tackler and helping and run support as maybe he was when he was younger but he's still exceptional when it comes to pass coverage and helping the defense defend passing and as you know quarterbacks and offenses the passing game that drives efficiency and so if you've got a pass defense that can help slow that down that's much more valuable than a run defense he's still is a big time difference maker. So for for them to let them go and not even knowing if they can recoup that money what is that means going on behind the scenes warrant if you were an NFL team needed help in your secondary, would you sign Earl Thomas? It's a great question Some of those details are certainly murky but certain ones are pretty obvious I mean a lot of people didn't realize how bad it was but you posting practice video of the Baltimore Ravens running four vert out of pistol from twenty two personnel people out there don't necessarily understand twenty two personnel heavy grouping too tight ends two running backs out on the field. There was a full back out in the field only one wide receiver out there. They were lined up in pistol formation definitely giving the appearance of a run play to the defense and they ended up sending all four players eligible receivers vertical on the field keeping the back who's lined up in pistol into pass walk. It's very rarely done and Earl Thomas tweeted or posted on. INSTAGRAM. That is colossal. No. In addition to punching his teammates showing up to practice late in this off season it's also really interesting because now he's he's out of the bubble so to speak so he's going to have to be I would imagine like quarantine system capacity before he comes into a new facility, I don't know exactly how that process even is going to work but certainly. It's giving a team like the cowboys pause. The cowboys think that they've got a championship caliber roster, but they don't want to disturb any of the know locker room presence and leadership that's going on there. I would look to add him because he is such a difference maker but I I don't know that I'd be happy about it and certainly maybe what he's asking for. contractually from a price perspective is giving people additional pause. Meantime, Danny dimes looked so promising in his first preseason, and then throughout the year I thought had a promising rookie campaign but worn I go back and forth. Am I wish casting just hoping that he's a turns into this great quarterback. He has turnover problem. I want to say I read it sharp analytics that that he gets everything off play action. If it's not play action, he can't be he can't get it done is Danny dimes a good quarterback is going to be a real good NFL quarterback. Well, the first thing that we have to realize that he played a below average schedule of opposing pass defense his last year, he's going to play the tenth most difficult schedule of opposing defenses this year but I do think that there were a lot of things that this offense was doing. That was not helping him very much whatsoever I don't think they were looking at the analytics enough to know how to use that play action that he was having some success with they were using too much play action where he was under center and how to turn his back on the defense. He got a lot more out of it when he was just in shock on. Faking that ball into Kwan's Barkley Belly I. Think you need to get to tight end more involved but these are things actually I don't love Jason Garrett as an OC. He's too conservative too many Ron plays but I think that there are some things that they're going to be able to do to make Evan Ingraham a lot more productive this offseason. So to answer your question about dimes in the future I, think we still have to give him a little bit of time to see really where he nests out the if he makes that jump this coming season with a new Oh see in the building but I I'm not willing to write them off completely yet cause. Problems that he's being charged with that were the result of his play caller what a relief because Warren, sharp everyone tells you guys know good. Believe me it means he's no good. Oh, thank God. Is Aaron Rodgers warrant you could call me stubborn because I'm used to seeing it in days past years past but I would take Patrick Mahomes. I. If I was trying to win a super bowl and I know Russell Wilson as you can prove that he's outplayed them in recent years I think I would still take Rogers second I think like he his ceiling is higher than everyone except from a homes. Is Rogers, still good still, really good. I think he's good. Yes. Is He really good? I would be Leery of sending that. Is He number two? No. No question in my mind Russell, Wilson is there Russell Wilson is one of the best guys in the League and then there are some other up and coming guys this have a little bit more gas in the tank. Then I believe Aaron Rodgers has I also don't think that you know maybe if they had taken. The time to surround him with more receiving weapons they really haven't done that at all in Green Bay. So we're not seeing that there if they had taken the time to do that over the last couple of years, maybe we wouldn't have seen such off everybody wants to just pin it on Aaron Rodgers but you've got play callers and you also have talent around him that are hoping aid. The fact that he is getting less and less efficient he needs to bounce back season this year in my opinion I think that the he's capable of doing that a year or two of floors offense but I don't think that he's any longer in the discussion of you know being up in the Tom wanted to qb's in the NFL doesn't mean he's a bad quarterback yet I just. Think that there's some other guys that deserve those position I have so many more questions for Warren Sharp Warren. Do you WanNa plug anything before we let you go because I want you back like really soon I need to talk to you about Carson Wentz and a whole bunch of other guys what would you like to plug while you're on now and I want you back real real soon? Let's do it again, real soon and I wrote a book three, hundred sixty pages. You can find it up at football analysis, Dot Com it previews the upcoming twenty, twenty season breaks down every team highly suggest everybody goes and picks up a copy of that but I'm happy to do it again. As soon as you're willing, what's it called? What's the name of the book? It's called the twenty twenty football preview perfect. The twenty twenty football preview. If you actually want to know what's happening if you WANNA know actually who's good who's not what to think about this stuff or verify your own opinions or disabused yourself some notions pick it up by Warren sharp sharp analytics and you can follow him on twitter by the way I do. It's a great follow one. Thanks a million, eight Roger. Can we get them back like what day is it? Today's Tuesday only I want him back like later in the week like I have football questions. The Great Warren Sharp Ladies and Gentlemen. Know porzingis tonight. Is that can be problem for Lucan the mavs. Who under more, pressure? Without porzingas playing Kawai. Or Paul George. Find out who done maxed up coming up on the Max Kellerman show. For him to not complain to come back on the court and to still compete, I was really impressed by that my I'm Kinda tired of coddling everyone had your chance and you spit the Bishen and Golick Julia Weekdays at four PM Eastern on. ESPN RADIO ESPN new said wherever you stream your audio. This is the Max Kellerman. Show. When you need your bank capital one is right in the palm of your hand. You can check your balance deposit checks, pay bills, and transfer money from your phone with a top rated APP and when you're done banking, put it back in your pocket, a banking experience built around you and your life. This is banking reimagined get started online anytime what's in your Wallet Capital One member FDIC. Skeleton show ESPN. 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Thirty four with a massive free party last week. Just be safe. I- quarantine myself said just taking it easy. said that the video while lying in bed? Just WanNa talk to all the stupid people out there for a second table. Listen to me I saw interesting map on twitter. Where they were charting cell phones, we're all the cellphones were in Vegas. And now they're spread throughout the country. This is like over the last week. Do. You understand what's going to happen now stupid people. Covert. Is GonNa. Like. Any kind of covert that was in Vegas is now going to spread all throughout the country. That's how it works. Oh. My God it's unbelievable how? People are like, well, we have to get back to work sometime. Studied studies done of the pandemic of nineteen eighteen Spanish full. With. Fifty million people died in a world where. There was not even one third, the population today. So as one, hundred, hundred, fifty, million plus people died in terms of the percentage of the world population. and. What they found in American cities is the ones that fared best population density was a part of it but those that shutdown early. We shut down late in our country because of inept leadership at the federal level? Those who shut down early and then had the patience to stay shutdown. Like how how long? That those fared best. They were okay. That shutdown late and then tried to open early. Like these. Geniuses in Texas and in. Georgia. Closed, late? Open early. No. So you same Bolton everyone else who are having look I know sometimes, you this happened to me already you get together for a socially distance plate for your kids right. But the other people maybe they have a baby and then you turn around all of a sudden like even though it's only let's say two families involved all the sudden it's like Whoa. No one's wearing masks, and why is the baby playing with the kid over here? You got six feet away. I experienced that once and I was like I can't do this again. So I get that can happen but to throw a party. For to have covert, they have covert parties either the first one could get it. In. This country. We're just to go to bars and not socially distance. That's it. There's no. There's no magical. Elixir that's GonNa fix you. If you get covid and sure many people recover without too much damage, some people die on the other hand. Other people doesn't attack your lungs attacks, all kinds of organs and brain damage heart damage, Kidney Maybe. The best thing since there's no cure. is to stay socially distanced wear masks that that hard. There's a lot of I know economically, it's tough. I get it. But there's a lot of upside the social distancing to. You know when you go into work and you think like I have a basic positive association with this person I like seeing them. Then it turns out your social distance you shelter in place for a month. And you're like, thank God I don't have to see that person. It turns out I don't like almost anyone. All the people. I. Thought that were kind of pleasant to be around. No. I, like it better by myself to tell you the truth. But. I understand not to make light of it. I understand that people are are suffering and you want to get back to work the best way to do that. It's the socially distance be patient where mask in other countries where they've crushed the curve, they were able to get back to work. Pop may be heading out of San Antonio. We're mighty land. Where's the best place for him to land? Max Kellerman show. ESPN radio. Making moves is brought to you by Lincoln jobs filled your winning team today. Go to Lincoln Dot com slash sports. Coming up on Wednesday Lou be even better sequel or will Kawais Empire Strike back in game five and will the force continue to be Donovan Mitchell keyshawn Jay Williams, Zubin, Wednesday six eastern ESPN radio, ESPN news. The Max Keller, show on ESPN RADIO ESPN news, the ESPN APP and Sirius Xm Channel Eighty, and you're smart speaker presented by Progressive Insurance. Reach us at eighty eight, say ESPN eight, eight, eight, seven to nine, three, seven, seven, six. Okay. So The Nets want Popovich. They figure no more Tim Duncan. They didn't make playoffs. He's over seventy years old maybe he'll make a switch. And could they use Popovich of course of the Netzer well, coach team already and have been for several years? But I think there's gotta be some nervousness about Kyrie's effect on the chemistry and in the locker room. The fact of the matter about Kyrie is as a professional with the exception of the time he played Lebron James. His teams have been. Better without him. which is hard to. Because he's the most skillful player I think ever. Certainly on a short list, probably as the best handles ever in the conversation. Is Great outside shooter. Is probably the best finisher under the rim in the paint of all time. Now, he may not have the wisdom to know when you know which tool to use as well as some other guys but he has all the tools. He has all the skills on offense and he's capable of playing defense. What he wants in high leverage moments I've seen him do it. So. How team get better without him, he's a chemistry disruptor. I don't care if anyone that means at this point is too much evidence. Get a guy like, Popovich, they're also I know K.. D. is on the team but in terms of personality from what I've seen, I think Kyra is more alpha. Than K.. D.. I. N.. K. Katie is obviously better. But KADIAN Westbrook. I know they were very young at first when they had a hard and Bacha. But they were somehow less than some of their parts I used to feel. Katie and Westbrook. WESTBROOK's the alphabet. Katie was the better player. It works better when the better players also the Alpha it's one of the problems of the chemistry on the heat that first year. Where it was Wade's team still, but Lebron was clearly better. Doesn't work as well as say, the Chicago Bulls. Jordan's the best and it's his team and pippen is his is his co-pilot is the second banana. So. that. Be a problem. It could be a problem. They have some nice young players look at carousel avert. Some Nice young players on that team. And You don't want like they gotta get the coach right and Popovich obviously is has impeccable credentials. And we'LL BRING A. The right kind of culture to the nets. I. Think that maybe they could work. So I get the argument for the nets but actually there's another team in the Eastern conference I think that could use more that may be a better fit and that's the sixers. Sixers have. GM. Has. been. Bad. But They. Have Embiid and Simmons, and these are two special talents and they're still ascending they're still young. And what I saw from Simmons whatever you WANNA say about a shooting and by the way what you really look for in shooting his free throw percentage is that improving because if that does then you have hope for. For three point percentage which doesn't take any, it doesn't matter yet. And the answer is yes slowly but surely, Simmons free throw percentage has gone up every year still not a good free throw shooter but there's hope that he can become a better shooter I think based on that trend. And the fact of the matter is he turned himself into the best defensive player on earth. This year, he's willing to put in the work. He's willing to do the dirty work and he's willing to learning grow right Popovich gets a guy like that his hands on a guy like Ben Simmons. And you've got to beat on the team. Now just get the pieces right and what we've seen from Popovich lead franchise is they not only identify talent internationally and in the draft, but then coach it up, they develop the talent. I think he'd be an even better. Fit with the sixers now I have it from the highest basketball authority. When it comes to this stuff that there's no chance. Popovich's leaving the Spurs. So fooled you into listening to a radio segment. That's all rumour and gossip. Ha? It's fun to talk about though, and by the way it's being reported who knows like I there's no chance. There's no chance that something happens and then someone writes check with enough Zeros and suddenly there's a chance for everyone has a price for almost anything. Some people's prices are just much higher. Yes right. Speaking of that last statement, you know something about that. Why WOULDN'T I. What do I know? About. Listen Raj I resemble that remark number one. I have often said. That I believe that if if an employer gives you an opportunity. That that shows belief in you and you should reciprocate that belief with loyalty. and. That's why I've often said throughout my career. That like you already SPN or anywhere that I'll never go anywhere. For any reason. Because of the loyalty I think to be reciprocated. Unless anyone anywhere offers me half a red hate any more than I'm out the door. The, barring that I believe in those kind of Principles Raj so I don't know what you're talking about. Jonathan in Queens, you're on the Max Kellerman show ESPN RADIO Hey Max thanks for taking my call You got very Jewish tendencies and I guess I'm allowed to say 'cause I'm Jewish but I wanna ask you two things first of all, how concerning is it for dowse fantasy a nick fan. So I'm not trying to rub anything in here but how concerning is it for Dowse fans that Porzingas missing his second playoff game in a row and I also wanted to touch on that. Okay. See Houston series it's getting very good. It was my most looking forward I was looking for this one the most and it's really starting to get good now so I wanted to hear your take on it and uh love. Again what are the two questions you want answered Jonathan. Right. So I I want to know, do you think that there's any sort of like a sure we'd be more alarmed about KRISTAPS PORZINGAS is missing his second playoff game in a row yes. PORZINGUS and I I I've communicated with someone who works for the Mavericks and communicated the idea around the time of the trade that. Like what a fleecing of the Knicks you guys are GonNa Win Championships at least one with porzingas and Luca, and they expressed to me maybe but there's real concern about porzingas. Health long-term at any time I have a giant. You've got a guy seven foot three. You gotta be worried about that particularly coming off traumatic injury. So yes, I think porzingas. The only thing that's GonNa Stop Dallas from winning a championship. With the lead team eventually. Is. Porzingas health and even then maybe they'd have a shot but certainly, it's much harder. PORZINGAS isn't healthy. What's the second quest earth? Okay. So I'm I'm GONNA do again with Dallas. So I heard yesterday they were they were trying to squeeze Lucaci into the top ten I think Alan Hahn had westbrook ahead of him do clearly have luke on the top ten. Do you have him in the top five right now? Yeah. The way he's playing in the bubble like in high leverage moment so far. Yeah. The problem with Luca is he's a he doesn't play defense. You know when people are comparing comparing magic or is he shoots a lot from deep more than magic proportionally for his more like bird but bird shot at better proportionately for his era. But he's not the defender bird was. On defensive more like magic especially early on then bird who was a good defender. So he doesn't play defense and yet sometimes a guy does so much on the other end of the floor. It's not that it doesn't matter. It doesn't stop him from being a top five player in the bubble so far he is. He certainly top ten I mean obviously Lucas, a top ten player, and if you line them all up and said, okay, who do you want? You probably take them in the top five at this point Max Kellerman show on ESPN radio. Presented by progressive. Insurance. How many seconds do I have left? Chennai and Gulick junior coming right up and I'll be back tomorrow two PM Eastern. Coming up on. Wednesday, we'll Luca be even better in the sequel will. Empire Strike Back in game five and we'll the force continue to Donovan Mitchell Keyshawn J. Will Wednesday six eastern ESPN radio ESPN news.

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Know Your Enemy, Part 1: A look at Steelers vs. Giants

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Know Your Enemy, Part 1: A look at Steelers vs. Giants

"It's burst dealers fans. We are on the dawn of a new day. It's a brand new show because. Of A league year gone is Beck back in block and here is not your enemy. Tonight I'm joined as always by my co host one MR, Jeffrey? Benedict Jeffrey how are you doing tonight sir? I'm doing all right in their perfect and. From. Big. Blue View, Joe De Leon, how are you doing sir? I'm doing great. It's been so long this whole off-season just dealing with all the weird stuff going on not having any preseason games we finally get some football this money I'm just excited to actually preview a game and talk about something. Yeah I I couldn't agree more that. Of. Course deputy editor vines. Steel. Curtain Dot Com Michael Beck. And I only echo those those sentiments. I'm super excited Thursday night football the moral we are we are ready to go. I can't wait for Monday night. So Jeffrey I'll kick it over to you or are you excited for football will be back as well? Very much so very much. So partly probably because my Agassi's or when there's actually things to write about. Now Joe just to learn a little about yourself before we get going here. What is what is your role with the Big Blue View and? If, you could also touch on your time as long napper where you're kind of hoping that that leads to. So I am a podcast produce producer and host with with with big blue view I host the Kristen Joe Show, which is the analysis show we break everything down. We do scouting report preview stuff each week, and we also break down the film after the Games, a lot of all that stuff but the intricacies of the film, all the good good stuff that you want to hear not not so much the news that we cover. I also do a lot of stuff with the social media as well as a lot of content on youtube videos in that stuff so that you referenced the long snapper. Point, about me I played for years at the University of Rhode Island. I snapped all four years as a starter and I'm currently. In the NFL free agent didn't get a ton of interest during this current draft cycle just because of the whole mess of things that we were talking about before we hopped in year it was a little bit tough to get any traction or any attention no pro days going on but still living the dream is still trying to fight for that opportunity to possibly play in the NFL Sunday. That is awesome. We we wish you the best elect for that that. That's pretty exciting stuff. Might as well. Jump right in anything here. First thing off the top of your, what's the giants big strength heading into this game? My the biggest thing that I've said pretty much this whole off-season with anybody that I've talked to the defensive line has to be the strongest unit on this team. You just look at all those names across the board they're all spaced eaters. They're all very good at diverting attention, not really getting sack production on the interior, but you have Dexter Lawrence, who is a tremendous defensive tackle even though he's built like a nose tackle Dalvin Tomlinson is one of the most underrated nose tackles in the NFL his name. Doesn't really get talked about enough for what he does when it comes to taking away attention from guards in centers, and then even though Leonard Williams has not really performed by the way that we've really hoped since he came into the league with the jets, he's still a very, very defensive lineman. So those guys not to mention you have bj hill as a rotational piece. They're all very good with taking up space making things easy for linebackers to move free, and then also opening things up for edge rusher. For now, Jeffrey steelers. Of course, it's rumored that Dave decastro will not be a starting this game battling a calf injury throughout training camp like Joe said, their strength their teams are defensive line Stephan was new skis going to get his first start at right guard matt filers bouncing back in left guard. Zach banner was just named starting tackle the steelers. You'll line struggle against that defensive front. I could see it I. Think was newsy is to be all right He's a veteran, he knows what he's doing. But I think we could. We could see struggles for example, marquees. pouncey. Isn't Doing better than he was last year he's he's a low vulnerable in like like Joe said, they've got they've got pretty dang good nose tackle if they can win the center of that line It makes Life a lot harder. Not Kidnap. Jeff Jeffrey Rather I'll get you to just say what the steelers strengths is and see if the giants can combat that. What's it? What's the biggest strength on the steelers that roster it's to be the address Bundu. Pre TJ why are just they're absolutely in their prime right now that's that's the big thing with this year as you got your contract, you're right after breaking out and he looks phenomenal. This camp TJ as good as he was last year rumors are he looks better. So he's he's still ascending. He's a defensive player of the year candidate and those those can just take over the entire game. Joe. Of course first, round pick Andrew Thomas going to be a tackle there I believe the on the other side I'm blanking on the name but a pick from a year ago if I have that right sophomore player, it's it's Cam Fleming that's going to be starting at right tackle who is a veteran backup in the in the league he played with the cowboys most recently. So he knows Jason Garrett and then he was also with the new. England patriots. So he knows Joe, judge has not really started. So he's GonNa be very vulnerable when facing T. J. Watt? Right now now, this match appearance is that is that one year word about Those two guys versus wanting to pre. Yeah I mean especially the T. J. Watt Cam Fleming matchup and I. I just recorded our preview show today and we spent a majority the show praising Tj. Watt and what he does against pretty good right tackles. There were game plays in the Indianapolis Colts game going it's Brain Smith where he made him look silly and he's supposed to be a very good right tackle I. Watch with Tj what does that signature written move where he dips his shoulder and then comes right up nobody can counter that I don't know if Cam Fleming can even handle that because he's barely played in this league. So even though I, I am a supporter of the giants and cover them. Really Concerned About having to deal with Tj Watt. Now on the other hand with Budde do pre Andrew. Thomas is going to get thrown into the fire going against. A pass rusher but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a decent day, he's going to give up some pressures. You might give up a sack, but if he stays consistent and doesn't get completely dominated I think that's a huge win for a guy that didn't have any preseason games. Right, now Jeffrey and I were talking about this a little bit off air when it comes to double teams for me thinking maybe a maybe Andrew Thomas gets that help but then Tj want someone that is going to be viewed highly as a potential defensive player of the year. What sides getting this double team? Is There Is there a recipe for that or see I I don't even know if double teaming is the right idea my my co host Chris brought this up because because the issue with that is you divert attention away with guard and then you still have cam hayward stuff onto it. You guys have really good interior defensive linemen. So you you pick your poison if you try to. Double. Team. On one end. You'RE GONNA get killed from one gap or the other. The only thing I will say is I at least in willing to see what Andrew Thomas does against budget pre. I have no idea what Cam Fleming is going to do against J. Watt I think that that is going to be a much worse matchup than the Andrew Thomas Versus Budde do pre one. Right now, Jeffrey poses to steph onto it's coming back He was arguably the team, the entire teams best player through six games last year could he have the same impact that he was bringing a year ago? Joe is saying if you focus on TJ teams were early in two, thousand, nine, thousand, nine, hundred. Stefan, to it's going to tear you apart the year before that two thousand, eighteen tj over there they were focusing more on to it and DJ spent the whole first part of the season just terrorizing teams. But when you look at their first like five six games, even though the stats individually or different combines, the two have very similar stats. So basically depends on how you want to lose their. You'RE GONNA, face trouble, but for Steph onto it in this matchup. I don't see him having a great day simply because right guard. Kevin Zeitler has seen him like he was. He was a brown, it was a Bengal. He. He knows Steph onto a he knows camera hayward. He knows what they're in for. So I think the interior line they can. They can handle let let the steelers bringing their It's it's. The question like you said is that they have to focus too much on stopping TJ what that's going to open everything up then. Right now, all that might not matter too much because one Mr Saquon Barkley one of the most special talents in the NFL Joel I pose a few I Can he completely take this game over and Bring. It bring a a win home with him at the game's end. Yeah I think that saquon Barkley is one of the few unique running backs in the NFL that despite the matchup can always takeover a game it just all depends on how you properly scheme against him. You see lacklustre an average defense is like the jets able to completely take him out of the game, but you'll still have big performances against quality defenses. He is that type of player he's a home run hitter. So if you cut down on those cutback lanes and your gap in Assignment sound it's able. It's a little bit easier to shut him down but I think they'd like you said, Saquon, is fully capable of taking over a game if he needs to. But if you shut down any opportunities for him to run the ball in any available lanes and you force Dale Jones the possibly throw too much. It could be a little bit easier than it sounds. Right, now, Jeffrey a Howard, the steelers going to try to slowdown Barclay. I think like you said. They've done a really good job of gap integrity I'm really interested to see I. Don't know how Andrew Thomas's at run defense but budget pre has been just last year came on is an absolute monster against the run. TJ wanted really good crashing inside. So normally, you'd expect saquon Barkley kind of an inside run breaking outside approach, but the steelers can handle that like. They. Were underrated in run defense last year even though they faced a lot of run. With their offense being so bad but. I do think the steelers can handle saquon Barkley in the run game at least slowing down like if he's not if he's not breaking long runs and killing you there, then then you can still win this game, but he's not he'd have to really dominate And I think we can do that with Devon Bush Terrell Edmunds we got a lot of speed in the backfield. We got a lot of speed to run him down if he does break free. So The one question I have. Is what he can do in the passing game. When the steelers have gotten rid of Mark Baron at are planning on using veteran Vince Williams who is not? Athletic. Is Not going to be running with Saquon, Barkley and A. Tight end is Evan. Ingraham and that's that's kind of a matchup issued for the steelers if they plan on putting Vince Williams out there. Yeah I was GONNA. Say Evan Ingram is probably like the x factor this game for me. Jody think do you think evidence Ingram can possibly pull out like a hundred thirty yard game couple touchdowns I That would be an insane game. Travis Kelsey did a couple of years ago when or Aaron wasn't wasn't a a Pittsburgh steeler when he? When, he was a steeler a year ago like Jeffrey I talked about I believe last week Mark Barron was able to shut down those kind of tight end. Guys like limit them a little bit, but they don't they don't have that. Anymore can. Evan Ingram have a game like that. So Jeffrey I'm really interested that you brought up how saquon could take over in the passing game and then putting that together with him ingram, those really are going to be the keys for the giants moving the ball. There's going to be a ton of pressure. I think Mike Tomlin and the the full coaching staff is going to be committed to going after Daniel Jones and forcing him to make mistakes. So if you can get Evan Ingram, the ball in short to intermediate situations, he is fast enough to dominate against some of those mismatches that you guys pointed. Out You can get him on a drag route and he could take that for fifteen to twenty yards if you're over committing to attacking Daniel Jones and the same thing is going to go for Saquon Daniel, Jones needs to be smart and looking for those dump off type plays and not looking to stretch the field the spite, the air coryell that Jason Garrett is bringing being very, very aggressive in attacking down the field that it needs to be a little bit of a different approach because of how limited amount of time he's going to have to throw the ball. Right now speaking of Daniel Jones. Would a report said a camp like is he having a good year? Is this? Is this a guy that could have a a sophomore explosion? I certainly think so I think the big thing you have to point to that doesn't even require hearing how things were going in camp the Deutz huge compared to what he was last year and it's not like he got fat and he he looks like no offense Ben Rothlisberger he looks built. He looks like a kind of like Cam Newton, the amount of muscle that he added on and I think that was The big reason why he was fumbling so much and he was taking all these hits. I think that he can now compete as a runner. I think that he can compete with not getting the ball ripped out of his hands when he gets sacked the other thing too is besides you know him bulking up nine wait a the way he performed in the scrimmages was was just based on the statistics from those games. I think the big thing has to just go with better coaching. A better approach to. Not forcing him to do things that he's not comfortable with Pat Shurmur constantly forcing to do things. He wasn't very good at when you watched him do the things that he was very efficient at like fitting the ball into tight windows and getting the ball out quickly that's what I think is going to translate now that we have a new offense coordinator with Jason. Garrett. Right now. I I just like to say that Slim Ben was training at one point this off season. Ben Rothlisberger. Jeffrey poses to you what? What's the steelers got to do to get in Danny Jones head really kinda rough him up. I just thought it'd be a lot in the secondary making Fitzpatrick showed that he has good just thriving. Defense a lot last season in some some pretty good ways they brought in Cameron into we're towards the end of the season. They had him lineup at nickel and innocent as a quarterback looks down and get the snap eavesdropping into zone and both types eighties are coming up. I think I think they'll throw that Adam I think those are a lot of misdirection I know. Typically. The steelers have gone pretty vanilla in their in their game one matchups that got us killed in New England last year but with everyone in the secondary being returning players everyone at linebacker every I mean everyone's returning from last season I. Think they can kind of pick up where they left off there. I think they'll try and get in this ad slow down his initial reads of force everything to be posts nap if you can't rely on your pre snap read. and. You're trying to pick up everything post nap that just by ice you know half a second and with TJ What do pre and Cam Hayward into stuff onto it and blitz guys like Mike. killed that just creates havoc. Can you can't? That's GONNA. It's GonNa create opportunity for those guys gets the ball. Support for this podcast comes from cdw on Dell Technologies. Bet cdw Gee, we get them migrating your agency to a hyper converged infrastructure is challenging. GotTa. Do it I want to do it but to do it, wo- slowdown friend CDW Jeez. 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Right now, what's what's the vibe on a New York playing against Ben Rothlisberger like today at his press conference Ben even admitted he's GonNa be nervous He's scared that he's going to be shaking on the sideline of course that would just be ben being and being the drum. That we all know is. What's kind of the vibe going up against Big Ben first game since since his elbow injury I dislike to say I'm glad. I'm getting killed in the chat for calling Ben Rothlisberger Fat but I will say I'm actually legitimately worried about how this offense is GonNa completely transform now that Ben Rothlisberger is back even though he's thirty eight, he's still a very, very good quarterback and you could tell last year there was just something missing there wasn't. The same level of impact for Mason Rudolph and dodges you're getting him back and that offense is going to transform Juju. Smith. Schuster is going to be very, very good and he's probably GonNa have a very good game against a makeshift secondary for the giants and on top of that, they'll be able to actually run the ball effectively. It seems like there were times last year where you weren't really able to run the ball that well because you couldn't effectively have a balanced offense. Now, you have Ben Rothlisberger back on James Connor could be in a position to have a big game here as well. Right now Jeffrey. Do you think Ben Rothlisberger is gonNA come back in be big Ben again or is this going to take a couple a couple of games before he gets back and swing things I would agree with i Taylor when he came on in the podcast with us out with another guy from behind the steel curtain where he said what Ben Roses for brings above the neck. You know it's his it's his brain. It's his experiences had seen literally everything defense can throw at him. We did not have that last season at the end of the season. We duck hodges who who had no clue what the New York jets were doing it. You can tell the times Jomo Lewis just he didn't know what he was doing. He didn't know what Jamal. Jamal Adams file. Jamal. Jamal Adams was doing and he he was just he's. Making horrible mistakes because he had no clue what was going on. Ben Roethlisberger brings out intelligence. He brings that experience only questions I have on on that Offenses Judas misuse was the only person, the wide receiver room that he's really thrown too much. So, there is he's going to be rusty. It's a bunch of faces that he's barely thrown to. US There's a question for ban. WanNa throwback to Joe, is a Logan Ryan. Logan was a great adjusting for you guys. Is he going to be playing weeklong because he him in the slot could actually Be a good counter juju Smith Schuster. I would assume he's GonNa play they are so desperate right now for corners with De'andre back whole situation I don't even want to get into that. Sam Buell, opting out who we thought was going to be the second starting outside corner. I would expect him to start and I think that like you said that has to be the giants counter to playing Juju in the slot the the Pittsburgh steelers use Juju a lot in the slot and I think that's how he created his mismatches against linebackers and smaller corners. But we see Logan Ryan, very physical guy and a guy that can make plays on the football. So I think that he definitely is gonNA play and they're gonNA try and expedite him onto the field as quickly as possible. So they don't get killed by Juju. Now. Another injuring that secondary area second round pick mckinney. The you're outside linebacker mail also ugly old on I are I'm not sure if. It's return but. How did they call about those losses? The the big thing for combating losing Xavier mckinney who he's still technically on the roster he might come back in two to three months. Everything's kind of near with him. David Mayo's completely done. So they're not going to be getting him back but I think the big move was going and getting Logan Ryan to use him not only in the slot. But we think that there's a possibility they could use them at safety because he has the skill set to do so and sometimes you see that happened with older corners when you you're desperately in need of a Transition Julian. Love is GonNa. Take a much bigger role in we were expecting him to be a movable chesapeake but right now you have to play him on pretty much every defensive down at free safety. You don't have anybody else. He is the clear returning guy now I'm confident in Julian Love I. Think Julian is a good promising second year safety, but he's going to have to fill in in that role as far as filling in for David Mayo who was slotted as the second interior linebacker next to Blake. Martinez right now, the only two guys in that spot on the roster are. Take crowder who is probably going to be playing a lot more on passing downs. TJ Brunson both rookies. Brunson. Out of South Carolina take crowd out of Georgia. I don't know entirely what they're going to end up doing because I'm Joe judges probably trying to leave that up to ambiguity, but I would not be surprised if it was TJ Brunson on first and second because that's his wheelhouse defending the Ron and then take crowder who's a very good pass defender on third down. Now. Jeffrey. Does that does that? To you does that say Eric Brown events McDonald's going to have a have potential big day or is that the offense coming from somewhere else? I got me thinking of James Washington and chase capable. I don't know how Julian love is is going to be at free safety I. Really liked him coming out of Notre Dame. But Ben Rothlisberger is his his pump-faking his. Off safeties. You can see him having a big day if he can get Julian loved to move where he wants him to move. You could we could ben testing deep balls against a secondary, which is really haven't a patch itself together right now I know Djibril peppers is healthy. I believe How is he developing? Healthy they got him back after dealing with those back injuries last year that took him out a ton I. Think he's developing. Well, he's a very good athlete. He's exactly what Patrick Graham needs in a safety for his defense uses a multiple front. So he will shift things around there will be some instances in passing situations where he might only have two down linemen and A. Ton Of linebackers and safeties out there. So I think that he's the perfect guy for that that he can come down play in the box he played as a linebacker at Michigan basically, and he's also good enough of an athlete to play in space. So I think drill peppers could be primed for a progressive step forward in this in this next season second season with the giants. Now, if I can follow up yeah, I think I think peppers has a chance to be a big play in this game because I don't I don't know your other linebackers I don't either by no there's there's been a lot of turnover there. Do you have much in the way of linebackers that can cover our or is the Djibril pepper is going to take a bigger role in facing guys like vast. McDonnell and Eric who are more athletic tight end. I would expect your real peppers to probably be covering those tight end because the the outside linebackers that the giants have are more. So Pass rushers Lorenzo Carter is one that maybe could have a different role than previously with a new defensive coordinator he was more of a space linebacker. A off ball linebacker at Georgia the giants try to transition into a pass rusher that didn't work as well as we had hoped. So we think that I mean Chris who I do my show. We think that he might be a little bit more off ball a little bit less rush the passer and he's fast enough to run with with Eric Brown and advance McDonnell if they needed to. So I wouldn't be shocked if that happens it's a possibility, but it's probably going to be mostly Djibrill. I think this is going to be questioned that probably runs on throughout the season because Bull Jeffrey Myself pretty big fans of the steelers Second Round Pick Shays Klay Bull he's six, four, four, two. He was kind of like the star of the of the combine. And I know we haven't seen him in the preseason, but he's probably the steelers most likely over the top threat. It would peppers at the follow him or is there someone else would probably those duties fall too. So I will say when I was doing my draft evaluations I was a huge fan of chase. Klay Pool as well. I'm a Notre Dame Fan so I am excited to see what he can do in the NFL and I'm here in very good things coming out of a camp for you guys. That could be really really good. I think that if you have Logan Ryan playing in the slot on Juju Juju is playing a lot in the slot it. It's definitely going to be James bradberry going against Chase Klay Pool. especially, if he gets hot early and Klay pools playing outside at acts, they're probably going to put James Bradbury on him one on one, which is going to be a very tough first matchup for chase Klay pool because James Bradbury has had quality games against the NFC south's. Which is a Mike Evans Julio Jones, Michael Thomas. It's not an easy group that he has to face against, and now he gets the face of rookie essentially in this game. Will jump over some of the questions in the live chat here that we got some coming up Donald Nolan asking who's having a better year James Connor on. Barclay. I I i. have an answer for that. You want that one I. I'M GONNA put a small anecdote on this. Small bullet-point Asterix if you will, it depends on who's healthiest the longest because James Connor can have a very good year and they're just gonNA feed him and keep giving a lot of touches. A lot of carries which they did two years ago but a- saquon is on the field for all sixteen games I'd have to go with Saquon they're gonNA use him as a focal point for this offense he might get shut down and slowed down in some games and you have to take into account for his bad. Games last year, the dude was still recovering from an ankle injury, a severe ankle injury, and all of his big plays come from cuts they come from quick elusive cuts that is his best skill. He wasn't able to do that. So he was just running in a straight line for a lot of these games last year he's back at full strength if he plays the full year without any issues that deal with anything that's GONNA affect his cutting in his burst he is going to have a very, very good season. Jefferson posing the same question you because I think we we all have seen. It can James. Connor be healthy enough to finally break thousand rushing. I don't know if that relying on thousand rushing yards. James Connor is Kinda hit or miss depending on the defensive facial see him have big games but you also see gave he cannot get even get going but often you see in those games where he can't get going in the run game, he'll put up numbers on the passing game, which is a similar trait. You know saquon Barkley suffers. If you shut him down the run game, they can just throw it to him off. So I can see James Connor. mydeal for James Connor if they can keep him around fifteen touches under arrange a game at that will do wonders for him. The more touches he gets the less the results are, and the steelers have the depth that running back so I hope. We. Don't see. Tomlin own try and run the wheels off. Of James Connor I'd like him to stay healthy the whole season. So I I hope we see a mixture of sleet mixture players and we see we see them use both in the run game the past game. Joe's James Connor someone you you take your fans team. Oh. Yeah. Easily I was I, was trying to trap them someone sniped them from me I think that he Said earlier I think he had a bad year last year because one he was hurt and to he was dealing with it improper usage because they were so desperate to run the ball night where they were struggling to throw the ball with, with Mason, Rudolph Dot Com. Or take it to a break here for the podcast side I do want to pose this and you're welcome to roaster live chat if you want Wesson. Usually the house of positivity. West we do. The giant sound like a hot mess. Are you buying or or you completely roast them the he is used to it. Look I don't WanNa say that there are a hot mess what this team could swing negatively very quickly. They lost a lot of people they lost their starting kicker because of a hit and run while drunk lost their starting outside corner because of armed robbery it's not a really good off season for a football team that you want. They're also dealing with losing their starting left tackle. There's just a lot of missing things. I'M NOT GONNA say a hot mess, but this team could also struggle very, very early. Perfect now. For those of you listening to podcast for him, just hop over to part two. We'll continuer. Great. Joe Joe Delio from big. Blue View Just, just look over for those you on Youtube just continue and will meet with the full chat for the full hour. Joe's Great. Great graciously given us. that.

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Kyler Murray, more on a Valentine's Day edition of 'Valentine's Views'

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Kyler Murray, more on a Valentine's Day edition of 'Valentine's Views'

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Edvin Thein. And yes, I guess you could call this a Valentine's Day edition of Valentine's views, insert insert jokes as you will. Anyway, giants fans what what will we be talking about today? I we're going to hit some of the the news topics that have that have come up with the giants recently. A one of those is the Jay Glazer created Odal Beckham trade speculation. Another is the Denver Broncos acquisition of quarterback. Joe flacco which perhaps puts current Denver quarterback. Case keenum in play for the New York Giants, you know should day perhaps decide to move on from ally. Manning, we will also talk to CBS sports draft analyst, Chris tra- Paso will spend time with Chris talking largely about Cuyler Murray. We will also discuss Chris's latest mock draft for CBS, which has a rather interesting selection for the New York Giants. So we'll talk to Chris in a few minutes. I, you know, let's talk a little bit. We'll start with the Odal Beckham stuff. Jay Glazer of the athletes created a little bit of an uproar this week when in answer to. A mail bag question. Asking for a bold off season prediction Glazer who is one of the most. Well, connected analysts inside the NFL. You know, said that his bold prediction was that. The giants would trade Odal Beckham junior this off season. Now, listen when when media spoke to to giants GM, Dave Gettleman, you know, at the end of the season he said that the giants didn't sign Odell Beckham to trade him. He didn't outright squash. The idea that the giants would consider it. You know, didn't absolutely outright say there was no way that that would happen. But to be honest, let's let let's be real. I mean, it's very unlikely. I mean, there are ways that the contract could work out in in this podcast isn't really the the right format or form to get into all of the salary cap ramifications. Of of trading Odal Beckham. But in all honesty, it's not something that I that. I foresee at this point in time, you know, if someone picks up the phone and calls the giants and says, hey, you know, this is what we would give you for owed Beckham. I'm sure that the giants. You know, I'm sure that the giants aren't going to refuse to take the phone call. You always listen, you always way your options. But I see it as very very unrealistic or very unlikely that Odell Beckham would be wearing any uniform other than a New York Giants one in the two thousand and nineteen season. You know, unfortunately, you know, that speculation it's Odell Beckham that kind of speculations been out there for a long time before he signed his his mega contract with the giants. It's going to continue to be out there. It just is what it is at this point. And you know, this is. The last time you're going to hear it. So, you know, take it for what it is the other topic that that we need to talk about is the case keenum stuff. Now, listen, you know, the giants most of the news reports have indicated and my belief is also that the giants intent is to go forward with ally. Manning as their quarterback in two thousand and nineteen is that written in stone. Absolutely. Not the giants. Haven't made an announcement. They haven't said, you know, this is the plan ally is the quarterback. They haven't done anything. They don't have to do anything yet. We are still in the off season. I believe it's March seventeen when the giants have a roster bonus that they need to pay manning. So we should know we should have an answer at that point as to what the plan is. But you know, it when I wrote. Wrote yesterday about case keenum in about that situation. Some people got upset saying they didn't think keenum was a better quarterback than ally. They didn't know why why the giants would do that. And listen, I'm not advocating case keenum to the giants. I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm not saying it's a bad idea. The only thing that that that I did by writing about it at big blue view is to simply put on the table that case keenum and Pat Shurmur have a successful history together from two thousand seventeen with the Minnesota Vikings. And that if the giants were to decide that they would rather have a different veteran placeholder than ally. Manning that perhaps case keenum would have to be considered. I think because of the history between Shurmur and keenum. Think you have to consider that the giants would at least talk about that. Is it a good idea? Is it a bad idea? I don't know. I think the giants can go forward and score points in two thousand and nineteen with ally. Manning if they put a good offensive line in front of him if sa- Quant Barclay Evan Ingraham. Sterling Shepard Odell Beckham stay healthy and make plays. I think the giants can run a successful offense. Pet trainer at big blue view took a look at the salary cap. Implications of of bringing in case keenum, bringing Nick foles for that matter and cutting Eli manning and the salary cap implications to be honest, just don't make a whole lot of sense. It would put the giants in a situation where between the money paid to to one of those two quarterbacks and the money that they would still oh ally. Manning, you know, it puts them in a situation where the cap money that they would be paying to the core. Or BAC position would be substantial and probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense. What might make sense in reference to case keenum is if the Denver Broncos cannot find a trade partner for case keenum cannot find someone willing to give them. A decent draft pick. Or maybe give them anything at all in return for case keenum, if the Denver Broncos were to cut case keenum swallow, the eighteen million, you know, base salary that he's got swallow the cap, hit whatever, you know, whatever that amounts to intern keenum loose on the free agent market to where you could negotiate a contract with keenum rather than half to take on the eighteen million dollars that he's owed on his current contract. Then maybe you consider that you maybe you consider bringing keenum in as a backup. I don't know. You know, he's he's probably he's an upgrade from Alex Tanny. I can I can tell you that much. But I don't I don't foresee the giants, you know, making a trader making a big move to go get case keenum and take on that eighteen million dollars. But the fact that that this move that that the Broncos made with Joe flacco likely makes case keenum available makes it a topic that has to be discussed in the giants universe. So that's what we've been doing. That's what we're trying to do. That's what we do here at big blue view. Anyway, we try to keep you informed. We try to keep you up to date with try to create discussion. We try to give you things to think about and talk about. So that's what we've done here. All right. Giants fans with that said, let's switch gears. Let's bring in Chris tra- Paso of CBS sports. And we'll talk to Chris largely. About Cuyler Murray and the upcoming two thousand and nineteen NFL draft. K giants fans I promised you special guest a little while ago. I promised you that we would be talking to Chris tra- Paso CBS sports draft analyst and Chris joins us. Now. Chris thank you very much for for coming on the show. Hey, thanks, reaching out. Hey, no problem. No problem. I wanted to to talk to you about the giants. And specifically, you know about all of the speculation regarding Cuyler Murray. Let's just start with this. Where do you stand on Cuyler Murray as an NFL prospect right now pre combine and with him maybe more than any other quarterback, especially at the top that we've seen the last? I don't know three to five drafts. If not longer the Combi will not necessarily make or break his draft stock, but it will probably matter more than any other quarterback. Ax in recent memory. He's my number two quarterback going in to the Combi in Indianapolis later this month. I really liked what I saw from him inside the pocket. I mean for as much as you know, a big part of him winning the Heisman was based on his scrambling ability and what he can do outside the pocket. Improvising. I think for a one year full time starter who does have those concerns. He did not have any problem seeing over his big Oklahoma offensive line commute was the most impressive though is really specific. But I think it's an important part of playing quarterback for as athletic as he is. And even some quarterbacks, you aren't very athletic have problems with this. I saw a handful. I thought many many plays in which he stayed inside the pocket didn't like what he would see on his first read, and then not just instantly take off and become a runner or leave the pocket and thereby. Kind of shortening the play as he's running the silent. He is patient inside the pocket. It's really only when three four five seconds go by that he decides to use those legs. There were certainly some instances where he left a pocket early. But not nearly as much as you would save for someone. That's as athletic is him heaven rate in the back. End of the first round value is just there's so many good defensive lineman offense alignment receivers. But yeah, I I I'm not really someone that that, you know, low on him in terms of, you know, worried about his height coming out of the Erade system where those two elements of him as a prospect even five seventy years ago would be seen as huge red flags, and they're just not in more than I think the important part of being a good draft analyst is constantly evolving. As the game of all and the last rears we've seen every quarterbacks. Perform well. And a lot of offense coordinators had tokens are more willing to Natalie user quarterbacks out of the shotgun. But a lot of three or more wide receiver sack. A lot of pushing the ball down the field. A lot of screens not gonna say the NFL is turning into the big twelve. But it certainly resembles it more than it did five seven or ten years ago. So kinda Murray fascinating. But don't just look at. Oh, he's a small really thought of guy. He just runs around everywhere. Like, Michael victims. He's a pretty proficient pocket passer, especially relative his experience. So it's interesting Chris you used the word evolving, and I was kind of fascinated. I think yesterday by the fact that you know, Gil Brandt, you know, newly elected, you know, newly honored as a hall of Famer been around the NFL for, you know, for for decades and decades, I was kind of fascinated by the fact that Gil Brandt, you know, maybe a person I wouldn't have expected, you know, came out really strongly in support of color Murray. I don't know if you saw that. But, you know, do you feel like like like perceptions, maybe, you know, things that that that brand might have said are sort of are sort of changing within the NFL a little bit. Yeah. I think so and I did see that string tweets that he put out there talked about Russell Wilson never being in the top ten in terms of bedded pets at the line. Even Johnny Mandel really in this one or two seasons in Cleveland. Didn't have a problem with that. And usually the guys who duly the NFL in passes bed. Don's align are are the bigger quarterbacks are six two six three and above. But yeah, it was really interesting because you would think that someone who was scouting in the fifties and sixties and seventies wouldn't be that. Okay. With a smaller quarterback. But there there are enough recent examples Russell Wilson Baker Mayfield had a great rookie season. Drew Brees, obviously a little bit older of quarterbacks that can get it done at their height. And I really think certainly there's you know, a lot that needs to be done in terms of reacting and reading the speed of defense in the NFL compared to college. But when you watch Carla Murray this past season as a passer, his height didn't seem to really hinder him at all. And that's not just rolling. Out or when he's improvising. Throwing on the run. It was inside the pocket. And I think that there's is this thought which is is weird because you know, anyone that watch football concede us the whole Kennedy see over his line. Well, the offense of lying is not, you know, perfect wall where there's no throwing every quarterback needs to find throwing lane between his offense of linemen or to the side one of his offense alignment, and when you watch Carla Marie you saw that that there's plenty of space just in the natural blocking in pass protection for any offensive line. So if he can get it done as a passer. At Oklahoma in college, and he does have an NFL arm. Then I don't under-. I don't see or understand why you know, there would be a concrete sentiment that he can't get it done in the NFL because she too short. I think a lot of shorter quarterbacks were ones that were like Tyler Murray in one sense like they tried to run too much and usually the smaller guys don't have good arm. So you kind of put those two things together, and it's easy to disappoint. Oh, well, yeah. He didn't make it because he was five ten but in reality because of the arm strength. It's because they're not proficient inside the pocket and Kyla Murray, certainly has a good arm. It's not an amazing, but it's NFO caliber. And I've been saying he is proficient inside the pocket drifting away from pressure being patient reading your field at times, it's still think he could mature in net area. But it was interesting to see Gil Brandt. You're right. Someone at. His age that certainly showing that that he's evolved. In terms of what he's you know, able to say, hey, this is okay. For quarterback to not be six foot five statue in the pocket. We speak a little bit about volving, and and Gil Brandt, and those kinds of things and yet, you know, when we talk about the giants specifically there was a report the other day, I believe that came out from Ralph Ralph bacchiano who's a veteran giants beat writer currently working for s n y that the giants would most likely not be interested in Murray because they felt he is probably too small, you know, for them. And now we look at the giants. And there were other other reports that came out, you know, that said the giants have have used the same basic scouting thresholds for most of four decades. Now. I find you know, I guess my question is I mean, do you first of all let's put it this way to you. See the giants as as a team, you know, that would take a chance on Murray. I don't so I'm curious to see to see how you how you think of that. I don't really either. I think kind of a lot of what you just said they're kind of insinuating that they have a way that they do it. And you know, that starts at the top of their front office of their starting department with the dettlement seems like an old school type guy, certainly, you know, help build a quality roster in Carolina was with the giants earlier help some of those were bowl team. So just because he's old school doesn't mean that he doesn't know what he's doing and he's going to drift, you know, bad picks throughout every class. But they don't at the -ssarily peg me as a team that would take the chance on a smaller quarterback. Probably going to be between five nine and five ten at the Tom buying which is doesn't seem the only thing. That is interesting to me is that Pat Shurmur the head coach got the best season out of case keenum two years ago in Minnesota and case keenum, you know, for a long time. And maybe that was just an aberration. Maybe that was pets Shurmur just really tapping into the strength in sensu, aiding those four case keenum keenum was a guy that was you know, kind of two small than have a good arm was in this area system at Houston had a very lustrous productive career and people would have kind of him as a, hey, case keenum, someone that you know, wasn't big enough for the NFL. So I don't know how much poll pitcher has in the draft room. I would say a veteran of a longtime veteran GM in. Dave Gettleman that's been doubting since the eighties early eighties. You know, I don't know how much he would. Be willing to take from his head coach that Schumer certainly is very well respected quarterbacks guy. But the giants don't necessarily strike me as a team in the top for the first round that would be in a place in Kyle of or near the top of their board. But the Shurmur angle is a little interesting because he does know how to work with no smaller quarterback and get the best out of. And I just want to you know, we talk about the giants and thresholds and certain things that they like the reality of it is. And I'm kind of hoping that that you can shed some light on this three -ality of it is that I think all NFL teams work off of certain thresholds certain characteristics, based on, you know, position by position is that they look for you know, based on maybe the system that they run the scheme that they run the type of head coach type of coordinators. They have I mean, those things aren't hard and fast, and then the make exceptions. But it's it's my impression anyway, you know, that all teams have have certain characteristics or thresholds. You know that they start from. Yeah. Absolutely. I think some teams are a little more strict with those than others. Like, you mentioned you could there be exceptions here. And there certainly, and you only thing that makes the kind of hard to really hammer down. What teams have which threshold is that when there's a new head coach say Brian Floride in Miami with the dolphins was with the patriots for a while is he taking the thresholds to Miami. Does he have his own ideas? So every year when there's, you know, five to eight new head coaches in the NFL, that's when we kind of have to hit the reset button or there's new GM's, obviously with those teams that that's when you have to say, hey, like we need to to start over and see what this team does draft wise and free agency over the next couple of years. But yeah, it's not as if the giants are the only team that says we want quarterbacks over six one. And we want Cornerbacks over five eleven I think that along with athletic testing, it'd be some production as well at the college level every team in the NFL has the rash holes. But again, I think some team. In some areas. Maybe the Combi matters more to the Seattle Seahawks than it does to the New York Jets. But yes, I think the entire league has threshold for every position that includes the entire makeup on their roster. And I'd be asleep. You know, we know that Dwayne Haskins is probably is at this point, you know, QB one heading into the draft. And you know, the question for the giants at six would be I think, you know, whether they're whether they're going to move up to get Haskins if he's their guy, whether they would sit at six, and the hope that he's there, and I guess what I what I wanted to ask you quickly is do you think that Haskins as a prospect is a guy worth giving up? You know, the kind of draft capital. It would take to move up to two or three or whatever it's going to be you know, in order to get him. That's a really good question. I think that's going to be one of the most burning questions over the next couple of months leading into the draft and potentially all the way until draft night. I think he is because of just this general said that doesn't necessarily have to do anything with the giants all the last eleven quarterback to be picked in the first round over the last three drafts ten of them the team that picked them moved up to get them. The only one that wasn't was last year. Baker Mayfield going to the Brown's number one overall. So it's really just become the standard that if you wanna quarterback guarantee yourself that you're going to get them and not hope that he falls to you. Because it's such an important physician. You have to spend more than a first round pick. So it'd be three or four years ago. It was wild. You know, Jared Goff really worth all this. Carson Wentz worth all this. But that's really the standard that's been set. And I think in New York with the giants Dwayne Hesketh. Wins. That would be one of the best landing spots for him. Is specially because certainly they've got him. Maybe some of the coaches are cool with you live manning at this point starting the season as the starter. So I think has skin with only one year of experience like Mary, but certainly a very talented player that I think needs to learn the nuances of dealing with pressure was not really pressured at fall and Haya state when you look at the Penn State game and the Michigan state game. Those were two games. There were kinda concerning to me because the offense of the Ohio State offense of line in those games did have some hiccups. And he wasn't that death of a, you know, pocket drifter sliding off citing to his life sign to his right? And then still making accurate throws. So I think learning from someone like Eli manning. That's the one from inside the pocket his pulse. Pyre career. I think that would work wonders for him, and you could kind of have a similar Alex Smith Patrick Mahomes site, you know, passing the torch where maybe later in the season, if the giants aren't in the playoff on Haskins code, you know, start a few games just to kind of see where he's at the velopment wise, and and with old about journalist hurling shepper with Evan Ingram. I think you'd have a great cast of characters around him. And depending on what the giants do in the offseason infringing draft. The offense of lying was probably give him, you know, a decent amount of experience dealing the pressure. That's been obviously problem for the giants over the last couple years. So yet for the giants, I I think, you know, it wouldn't be flashy in the short term. But it would be a prudent move to really take a long look at doing Haskins. And even if you have to go from six up to three or two two. That's just the way it is. Now with franchise quarterbacks in the draft. I think there would be a great land for him behind you line. The Chris last thing I wanna talk about with you. You know, we've spent we've spent the last fifteen minutes or so talking, you know, almost exclusively about quarterbacks your most recent mock draft, I was interested when I looked at at that. You're in your most recent mock, you gave the giants Houston defensive tackle it all over. And the really interesting thing to me about that. Mock is not a single quarterback had come off the board in your mock, you know, with the giants on the clock at number six, I think you had Dwayne Haskins going to the Jacksonville Jaguars at number seven. Now, I guess what? I wanted to ask you about is first of all why Oliver and also if the giants were to go in a direction that's not quarterback. I see you know, they could go defensive tackle. They could go edge pass pass rusher. They could go offense of lineman. I mean, if they don't go quarterback or if Haskins is off the board. First of all I wanted you to explain why you chose Oliver. And second of all, I guess I wanted you to talk about whether you agree with me or not that that the giants really have a plethora of options at that spot. I well Oliver. And if you read any of my marchers, I come up with one every Friday, I always get in Dave got him. Just because I think he is such like I said really so experienced been to a Super Bowl, you know, knows what he wants in his roster, and I go back to I mean, we're talking about threshold, and you know, drifts history with GM's to kind of there's any trends. I mean what he did in Carolina. He was constantly adding to that defensive line. Not just you know to have a really good retype Nique and a good address or he wanted to be able to rotate, you know, six seven eight nine players on the defensive line. So not only in the fourth quarter games they were fresh but in December they could still get after the quarterback. I really liked Alvin Tomlinson was a big fan of BJ hill coming NC state last year to give him in the third. I think was perfect value. Those are two good young players. What I can see they've got him and saying, hey, this is Oliver sliding to us. He's a little bit under size. He's not quite Aaron Donald f logically. But pretty close as close as we've seen since Aaron Donald came into the NFL, and we can get pass rush from him the quickest way imaginable that he's coming up. He and she's right next to the football. And I do agree that, you know, they would really be in this situation at sick to take the bus player available. And and in that mock, and that's an area. I had at Oliver as the best player available not the most pressing need, but something that would or a player that would instantly boost the defense would have kind of a ripple effect on the rest of the defense. I think offensive line would be great to address their jonelle Williams from Alabama would make a lot of sense. But looking back at you know, what they're doing. Did in Carolina. He kinda almost Nord the offensive line freshly early in the draft if if maybe the last few years with his lines being as good, maybe he's turned the corner. They're even trading back. I don't think would be the worst scenarios. There's a few other good offensive linemen that might be a better value in the you know from thirteen to sixteen they could take cornerback. So. Yeah, that they're in a good spot where they have enough need, and they're not necessarily a team that will really make it obvious what they're gonna pick. They could go like you said edge rusher as well. It's a loaded class. There could probably get one of the top of the second. That would be a instant star. Just because of how deep that class is. But I think at is going to be fascinating because when you talk about thresholds. Some teams are going to say, hey, only two eighty even to only two seventy five at the combine some might say, hey, I see Aaron Donald two point. Oh, I'm gonna pick him when the ramp. Garron Donald in twenty fourteen they already had three first round defensive lineman. Chris long, they'd Robert Quinn, and they had Michael brokers and Cologne. People were like, okay, good player who kinda rose up boards from the senior bowl to the drafts. But did the Rams really need to pick him? They have a good defensive line even vested a lot. And now five years later. We're talking about the Bucky player in the NFL. And no one's questioning that pick now. So it might not be the most clear-cut need because of the youth on the giants defensive line. But at our to me, it's someone that can be, you know, Gino Atkins type player, maybe an Aaron Donald if he uses his hand a little bit better. They be fun that would make sense because they've got him in like those hog molly's upfront. Yes. He does Chris. Thank you very much for the time before I let you go one or two tell folks where they can find your work where they can a hitch up on Twitter. I'm on Twitter at Chris tra- Paso that he r a p a at at and you can find on my work on CVS for check com slash NFL draft. All right, Chris. Thanks much for the time. All right. Appreciate it. Thanks. Okay. Are thanks to Krista Paso for spending. A few minutes with us. Lots of good information. Lots of good discussion there regarding Kyle Murray regarding the the the New York Giants, we thank you. As always giants fans for listening for supporting big blue view radio for supporting our website for following us on Instagram at big underscore, Blu or underscore view. For checking out our Facebook page for following me on Twitter at big blue view. Please subscribe to big movie radio on all of your favorite podcast applications if you haven't done so already. All right. Thank you. And we'll talk to you soon. Bye bye. 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Episode 148: NFC Team-by-Team Week 15 Recaps

Establish The Run

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Episode 148: NFC Team-by-Team Week 15 Recaps

"Welcome to episode one hundred and forty eight of the official established. Run dot com podcast. My name is adam levitin on one of the co founders here at etr as always joined by fellow co founder. Evan silva for a very special christmas holiday tradition of the team by team pods. We going through each. Nfl franchise week fifteen takeaways role changes get you set for the season long super bowl get you said for weeks exceed in the fast. Start thinking about the off season. Maybe a little bit of what's going on what's up man. Lots to get to less to get to a first things. First shot out to josh norris. Who after eight years at road. Nbc is leaving. He's like one of the most talented individuals that i've ever been around. He could do like so many different things. He's like so so good at everything that he does as well. I mean he could be on tv. you know he can be the host of a podcast. He can be draft analyst. I mean he you know he could do a million things. So if i can't convince These guys to hire I'm if if you're listening to this and you're in sports media. I mean i would. I would put him at. The top of your list key is a game changer. Love josh i've ever. He was on devante freeman as like a really good price before anyone. I was like man. That's pretty that's pretty impressive. And then i was like yeah this is awesome and then he got me on kevin white and i took kevin white like the top three of dining. Smells like what the hell's going on here. Now getting josh josh. Josh is the best agree with everything. Said obviously we know him back from our days at roh world. If we're going to today's show wanna let everyone know. Nba season starts tonight. Yes that's right tonight if you're interested in playing nba fast. It's a great game. People who work hard and play. Well i think realized their expectation more often than doing nfl on any compounds more often because their slates every single day not sunday so had to decide established dot com. Check it out projections. top plays live shows. Everything is up that you know you expect from the nfl side are. Let's get to it with nfc in your on it. You're on this as a big bounceback spot. A ceiling spot for kyle murray in. That's exactly what happened. Four hundred six passing yards four total touchdowns for cuyler. And maybe we should have seen this coming. I mean got the eagles secondary's been bad for what a straight decade now jalen hurts is creating situation where the other the other side has had their foot on the gas. Would you see out of arizona's narrow win over the eagles. Yeah i thought that cuyler to hopkins was just you know the easiest quarterback receiver stack. And i i'm sure it was. I'm pretty sure it was pretty popular. I ran a team in the fifteen. Th in the fifteen hundred million maker. And i think it was murray was like around. Fifteen percent in hopkins was maybe a little higher than that But it paid dividends. It was one of these games. Were cuyler put together his rushing and passing day and those are really win. When kyle can you can pop off with the with the fireworks. That's exactly what happened. Forty niners in rams up next for arizona as they close out the season. I thought it was interesting to chase. Edmonds who you know. There was concerned that he might even play in this game while up out snapping and out touching kenyan drake fifty three to fifty percent in fourteen to twelve. I don't. I don't know where to take away from that. Yeah no i. I was watching the game and i saw Kenyan drake like hobble off at one point in so i think that may have had something to do with it. But they didn't mention anything in the post game and nobody was talking about it. So maybe i was just like seeing things but i looked at me like an injury. Got banged up. That would be something big news to follow for sure. Obviously chase edmonds as the lead back would be very exciting against san francisco in week. Sixteen they were very aggressive with the passing game in this one. So maybe the fake sharp cliff kingsbury kind of installed it for them to go more with their passing down back and that's just the way that they were going to attack. The eagles are a pass funnel especially as they were missing. Three d three critical defensive backs in that game. Yup for sure. We'll keep an eye on kenyan. Drake status starting wednesday with the practice. Reports are the atlanta falcons. Get out to a big lead. As the atlanta falcons always do they give up that big lead. I mean shot to calvin ridley man. I mean i thought everyone was too high on calvin ridley coming into the year Was obviously wrong. Cavaliers headed now rages season. And you know. It's helped that. Who has been banged up. But that hasn't really been the difference may grameen but cavalry in the foggy. Julio now five one zero eight one thirty six zero six fifty one eight one twenty four one ten one sixty three one. I mean we got a couple of people sending messages about their best ball teams in every time somebody sends me their best ball to you met still in it. It has calvin ridley on it. Other thing i would say here is i mean. It's just embarrassing for todd. Gurley at this point. He's getting passed by ito smith. Twenty three carries for sixty yards and zero touchdowns in the last four games for todd. Gurley after the game where he more says. Yeah you know what tiger which is a complimentary back behind ito smith. I mean it's just embarrassing and just shows you how quickly you can fall from grace at the running back position two years ago. Todd gurley got a forty five million dollar contract. The league next year like early might be out of the nfl in twenty twenty one which is crazy to think about what you see out of. Atlanta's another claps adam atlanta calvin ridley right now is the overall wide receiver. Three points per game only davante adams and tyreek hill are ahead of him. I thought it was really high on him. I wasn't high enough on. He's got ninety plus charge indoor touchdown in twelve thirteen games. That's just a leak consistency. So that i mean he's just do that. You can hang your hat on every single week. Smith is the new lead back. That doesn't really mean much. I mean he had eight touches. Last week the falcons running game in general has been pretty much dead all year. So i don't even know. I mean i don't know where people are going to be looking at edo smith against the chiefs this week i wouldn't i wouldn't i mean i. This ranking has been broken for so long. I've used brian hail. I've tried quadra. Alison i've tried devante freeman. I've tried tiger. I mean well that's not true. I haven't tried tag early. But but yeah i mean all these guys have all failed. I think the running game is broken. It's got to carolina. I thought it was good to see. Dj more back in balling. In you know if you look at like how She's performing relative to their teammates. Which you know it's kinda even you have the same quarterback situation you mean. Dj more has out played robbie and curtis samuel in terms of efficiency for pretty large degree. So it's good to see tj. More back. I hope he gets the ball more going forward as for week sixteen status. They are not ruling out christian mccaffrey. I'm not really sure why like you know they're dead but we'll see oh christian. Mccaffrey status get washington next in the scott. Turner bowl. what she had a carolina's was at a saturday night. Game against the packers was it was a pretty boring game. The panthers just played like just sat back and zone and let the packers run. All over the packers got up to like a twenty one to three lead and the game was just like basically over. It was was not as close as the final score suggests. I think the final scores twenty four sixteen. Yeah i don't know. no explosive. Plays from carolina outside of a forty yard completion. Dj more robby anderson did nothing. Mike davis did nothing. Curtis samuel came into the game as a game time. Decision pretty much wound up playing his normal role. He'll have it'll be off economical. I don't know nothing. They they got washington coming up next so that's not going to be an easy one for sure Chicago so we got the usage right on coconut. Coconut played on sixty four at a sixty four snaps in this game was slot or wide. Thirteen times ran. Twenty routes on twenty six mitch trubisky dropbacks and he had two catches in the first drive. I was like oh boy. we're cooking with gas. Now co two catches on the first drive at three k. On draftkings finishes the game would two catches on two targets for nine percent share. So you know it just happens. Sometimes i also wanted mentioned david montgomery so i started thinking about twenty twenty one drafts like where people are gonna take david montgomery because i mean he's been like the best fantasy running back the league over the last five or six weeks but that was against tennessee. Minnesota green bay detroit houston minnesota. Now he gets jacksonville and they're going to get three cohen back. There have a schedule. So you know i. I would temper expectations on demagoguery in in seasonal redraft next year and in dynasty. But there's no doubt setting up against jacksonville here. I mean he's got you the best place on the slate. What did she added the bears. Yeah i i hate to take anything away from him because he really has been planning really really well you know. He's stayed healthy down the stretch He you know it's been a little bit like playing t-ball but i mean he's been hitting home. Runs off the tee. So you know against this software late season slate. And he's got the ultimate match up now in week sixteen But he's going to be interesting guy that he's going to generate a lot of debate all offseason as someone compared him to like tyler. Higby heaven i think it was actually like tyler higby was like a league winner down the stretch you know. And he was like sort of easy. Fade in twenty. Twenty drafts could could the same be said for david. Montgomery with three cohen coming back and three cohen like they gave him an extension. Oh so he is going to be used You know david. Montgomery looks like a guy that i don't know we may have to end up In twenty twenty one and we'll see where the adp ends up. But yeah i mean that would be easy for me In sports betting. I hope that people got on this This vikings bears over. I needed to get this after. Losing the the bears texans over but we got it all back here with the vikings bears over so yup Stay hot yet. Easy one there forever. Evan walters speaking of walter's adam walters was on the cowboys outright outright. And that's exactly what happened cat cowboys outright and obviously the big news was tony pollard. I mean the difference between tony powered. Zeke i mean i'm no scou- but i mean you can watch for one second tony. Pollard is way more likely to have a twenty yard. Play than ezekiel elliott is at this point in their careers. Also tony pollard. Nine targets for team high twenty six percent share. I don't think that's happening for zeke. Very often i mean at this point. I i was afraid that like. They didn't want positive good because the z. Contractors looks so embarrassing. Ninety million for zeke. I don't know what to do going forward. Can you have a one two punch when you have. Ezekiel elliott making ninety million. What you see tony pollard. What you see out of the cowboys again. That ezekiel elliott contract like essentially cost them byron jones. Who is you know the one. One b corner in miami opposites. Avian howard is having like a gpo y. Caliber season but on one of the best pass defenses in football and also probably affected their ability to sign dak prescott. So yeah that contract. It's not just the contract itself it is you know the tentacles it has fallout elsewhere on the throughout the organization so just horrible contract. I think that tony pollard. It is absolutely a better option at least at very least behind an offensive line. That isn't as good because he can create on his own. I think better than ken ezekiel. Elliott and certainly has more breakaway ability Hopefully we get another full dish of tony. Polar this week who they got coming up eagles. Yeah i mean. It's not the best match up. But i think that we we keep running. Toni ballard with confidence. If we can get zeke is out again. Yeah a lot of these zero rb teams that have powder are up dabboussy advance this past week and then the best ball teams in tony pollard. Have a pretty good chance this week. Assuming zeke is out. let's go to detroit and yet set up really well for gender swift i mean. He was improving with his health. Clearly lines more comfortable as health. They get down quickly in this game to tennessee. Which is what the andre swift really needs. He ends up playing. Forty two out of sixty six snaps. Seventy one percent of the rb carries five targets. I've most importantly he got three targets inside the five yard line three carries inside the five yard. Line fumbled one of them but they went right back to him. And so that was really encouraging to see andre swift. I mean again andrea swift plays. His skill set is what we look for in fantasy. He may not be in every down back but he gets goal line carries and he gets targets. And that's what we like to see what you see at a swift in the lions Swift is going to be a guy who i think. Is jimmy really popular. We're going to be on in twenty twenty one The coaching staff is going to change. It's unlikely that you know adrian. Peterson is going to be back area on. Might not even be back but yeah under swift is going to be a hot pick in twenty twenty one nineteen touches second. Most of the year sixty five percent playing time second most of the year. They got the bucks this week. You know the bucks are great against the run but they give up a lot of receiving production to rb's and that's where the andrea swift shines. I think again they're going to be playing from behind. I mean the lions just give up you know thirty plus every single week to their opponent. So i think a lot of things going gonna be adding up nicely for swift again. Yep i guess part of the three game slate on saturday. i believe. There's one game on friday. Which by the way we will have nick underhill onto talk saints. Vikings for the friday game. Then we'll have a three game slide. Show for Saturday and then. Obviously we'll have our normal main sleep show for sunday games green bay so you can see what happens when jamaal williams leaves williams left thigh issue doesn't seem serious but twenty carries for aaron jones. Only one for ag dylan one for jamal before he left. Also four targets berry joins me. They get the titans next. If jamaal williams for some reason mrs this game absolutely wheels up for aaron jones but yeah as you said it was kind of a boring home game for the packers outside of finally getting big time aaron jones usage. What you see there. One thing that stood out to me was that matt lafleur. Keep saying that it's allen lazard is on a snap count but snaps keep going up. He's been sixty nine percents six nine percent and then last week seventy seven percent i think he i mean he played ahead of market has vowed scantling for the first time in a long time. So i think that. That's something to file away down the stretch shaw on and they're playing on sunday night football in week. Sixteen against the titans in the highest totaled game on the entire slate something to follow it. Also robert tonkin n- Should have made the pro bowl. I mean robert. Tiny has been absolute beach and he's caught almost ninety percent of his targets from aaron rodgers. This year ten touchdowns i mean. He should have gotten over. Evan ingraham. There isn't a more. There isn't a least deserving pro bowler then have ingram. maybe josh jacobs but have ingram. He's at a horrible year Okay rams so Cam akers sprained his ankle. In the second quarter comes back in the game finishes you know with a huge chunky over last two games. He's had ninety two percent of the carries ten percent targets but then after the game they announced that came makers has a high ankle sprain. He's gonna be out probably for the rest of the rest of the regular season at least this week. So what do you think how they gonna play between the show in malcolm brown this week upcoming and would you consider starting either those guys me. I'm sure there's a desperate. They made their super bowl but they have injuries. What do you think about the rams backs i wanna see. If we can duino any clues from sean mcvay as he speaks in his press conferences But i i would expect them to go back to darrell henderson as their lead back But i but. I still think it's gonna be two man committee so it's probably going to be kinda frustrating This game was just brutal. I mean the rams. Just never got going i. I was blind betting the rams like am i i gotta stop. You know at some point i was like i gotta stop But this was just. It was pathetic. I mean offensively. They got nothing. Going whatsoever You know cam akers. That showed a lot of toughness coming back from the high ankle. Sprain tyler higby had wound up having an ira game. I think gerald ever got hurt at one point and that may have contributed to tyler hick governor. That'd be something that will be looking at on the injury report this week. Yeah i mean. We'll get when we get to the jets. The jets that that may have been a franchise altering win for the jets in a negative way. And so we'll see. I don't know how you feel about the fields kid but Was minnesota so even with our madison back to the appendectomy. Twenty four carries for dalvin. One zander madison. They're all in on running dalvin. Cook straight into the ground. I'd also note the justin. Jefferson popped up eleven targets. Feeling only three in konkan. I mean irv played a ton. Kinda like i thought that he would but it conklin outperformed that produce there. They have the saints next. I'm sure saints are going to be Won't get the saints next but men. I mean they're gonna be wanting to play better on offense at least or at least more focused on offense and other week for drew brees hopefully a little bit healthier off. Those ribs are not the best spot. What'd you see out of minnesota in week fifteen. You'll have always like tyler conklin. He's a very good athlete. He was productive in college. Went to northern iowa. I want to say and he. And he's also a guy that can block theoretically he's a guy that can play like a lotta snaps. You can eat up a lot of snaps and so very comfortable after the season. If you're in a dynasty league just got a stash at the end of your bench. She's been guy that's like always at the end of my dynasty rosser like so. Now i'll i'll drop them and pick them up the next week and a fringe guy but i but colorado very credible. After this year they're going to continue to play two tight end sets. I think a lot a going forward. Justin jefferson now leads the vikings over adam feeling in targets catches yards and first down conversions. You know it's a one a one. B situation there. But i i would say the justin jefferson is now the one yup me to saints so i thought one of the biggest stories. The week was drew. Brees is absolutely crapping the bed. I mean his final stats. I guess looked okay. He threw for three touchdowns. But i mean there was one point where he didn't have a single completion. You never seen completion to a wide. Receiver ends up with fifteen completions in the entire game on thirty four attempts. Maybe we should have seen this coming man. I mean he was looking for the last. I dunno couple years at times you broke ten raves for so long and comes back i we knew tasting was a threat to store to steal a touchdown That's exactly what happened. Have michael thomas you know. Maybe we were too high. On the saints. I ended up playing chimera and many sanders and jared cook. And so you know it was. It wasn't great. I mean manny kinda got there at the end. The little bit camera got there and a little bit. But it certainly wasn't great. What you see at the saints in. How worried are you about. Drew brees Messing up his entire offense. I think that underhill has a different take than you. So and underhill has been very good at judging drew brees over the years. Like i- there've been. I've been going on underhill's podcast like we do a season preview like the last five years and i would present to him. You know. certain thoughts about drew brees and he would like correct me on them in the he would and then during the upcoming season like he was clearly correct. You know so he. He's he's really got a his finger on the pulse of drew brees and so when we bring him on thing. We're we're doing this. We're doing this on wednesday right yet. Wednesday at noon on youtube okay. Perfect so i. I think we just quiz him on everything and you leave the saints analysis up to him. Okay yeah they get the vikings on that one game slate will have the showdown coverage for giants so. I don't really have much to say about the giants. They play the ravens next. I don't know if daniel jones be back embarrassing. That ingram made the pro bowl as evans said over tanya but yet you see anything out of the giants in that game against the browns. Offense is garbage. One alf morris. I mean yeah and then it's hilarious out like all. The old crusty giants beat writers are talking about the reason that they lost is that is because they didn't kick field goals when they went for touchdowns like yeah. I mean how out of touch would you have to be field goals. We're gonna win that game for the giants kicking. A bunch of field. Goals does ask the patriots that kicked four field goals scored twelve points and they lost kicking field goals. That's not how you win. Speaking of giants be reporters. Runs gonna be furious that we're having underhill on furious. Ron was one of the loan. Giants beat writers. That was like no. They should have gone for the touchdown. Eagles i mean jalen hurts expectation yet again and obviously did it with his legs. Lebanon sixty three one rushing. But i didn't think he had his passing performance in him. Especially when he's throwing to greg ward. You know jalen reagor sean. Jeffrey quiz watkins twenty four forty four for three hundred thirty eight yards and three touchdowns no interceptions. I mean can we take away from this. That jalen hurts is like a legit threat in this league. He next cuyler dak type in this league. I'm number say yet but medicine impressive game wade out of hurts. Guess he's going to be real popular among us. They bumped bumped his price up to seven k. But yes okay. Okay yeah. I mean it. It looks real good on paper. I mean he use awesome in fantasy obviously right but he did still take six sacks. You fumbled three times. You threw the ball forty four times. They had a lot of plays in the scam. Would they have seventy three place You know no individual eagles pass. Catcher really did anything. He spread the ball around which that i mean. That's not that's not necessarily a bad thing. I mean that suggests that he's like going through a lot of reads. I don't i mean he's he's been super super impressive so far i i don't want to go out and say oh you know he's arrived. There's a passer. But he's been extremely impressive so far in. I think he's gonna be a top five quarterback one play for fantasy championship. We can season-long. Oh yeah i mean i. I saw some early people for season-long rankings had him top one top to play for this week. And that might be a little bit aggressive but will see mitch on the eagles miles sanders hundred percent of the running back carries. I mean he was back in the true workhorse from sooners. And that was good to see san francisco. I think the wide receiver stuff without depot went expected routes run routes run were rundown forty. Forty-seven kendrick bourne. Thirty three richie. James thirty two river. Eleven of the story here was where he most are getting hurt again. He's actually gonna be out for the year now so i don't think that means all of a sudden they're going to give jeff wilson twenty five carries. I think we'll see tevin coleman kind of play some version of the role. That regime was playing. What do you think about that with the running backs. Anything else in the forty niners. I think it's going to be jeff. Wilson is the clear one. But yeah then it could be tevin coleman or jerick mckinnon as the i mean they. Just they've shown no impetus no inclination. Inclination is a good word. No inclination to really get mckinnon. Or tevin coleman involved lately and jeff. Wilson has been running hot so i don't know they have this week. Oh that's yeah. It's not a very imposing matchup. I mean i think jeff wilson's gonna be a real good play week. let's go to seattle. I mean this russ stuff man. I understand why has a very good defense. I get it. They slow the game down. You know it's not great but still russ eighteen of twenty seven. Four hundred twenty one yards and one touchdown over his last six games. Russia's only thrown nine touchdowns and four of those touchdowns came against the jets. Now you have to pay the rams who forget about the jets game. I mean if let's throw that out as an outlier. They've played awesome. Pass defense all year. So you know. I mean russ was amazing early. Looked like he was gonna lead people to championships. And you know if you had rust. Stacks and season longer. Best ball like you've just been completely dusted when you think about ross seahawks right now is the head into the rams game. Yeah i think is not a guy that you should be starting in fantasy championship. weak decay. Metcalf got banged up in this game. Tyler lockett i suspect has been banged up for a while. Josh gorden apparently is gonna make his twenty twenty debut this week. But i i would expect the a low scoring game. Both defenses are good in seattle against the rams. A neither offense is particularly a potent at least at this point in the season. So i'm expecting low scoring game tampa so leonard. Fournette was close to finding his floor lab when they got down like twenty one. Nothing or whatever they got down because he didn't he wasn't going to be the passed down back that was going to be mccoy. Or vaughn. they get back in the game. And leonard fournette ends up playing forty. Five out of sixty eight snaps actually ran twenty. Two routes on forty eight brady dropbacks lennon for naked. Eda percent of the running back carries obviously was extremely inefficient as should be expected but did see five targets also got to go on work and listen like when you're so was forty three hundred on draftkings and he was Getting at the goal line work in tom. Brady third running back. So even though leonard fournette was not playing on past clear pass down he has turned the ball enough on first and second down to get five targets for an eleven percent share. So i know some people live. You're making fun of leonard fournette play. I don't think play leonard. Fournette was bad. I felt power was better. I i had learned for netted until the power news and ended up going to power. Do not think lenny was bad at all anyways. Would you see out of tampa is kind of the defense. Was i agree. Defense was a great play ended up being really bad play. What did you see out of tampa. Yeah i was terrible but the good news is though that like they were no good defensive players except for the cowboys in week fifteen so that made me feel a little bit better but yeah i totally totally blew. The buccaneers had been like a wildly difficult team to predict at times throughout this year. They've been really really a volatile team. You know like this game like they were awful in the first half the rally back for the victory. Leonard fournette kind of luck. Box with too short touchdowns. But i'm with you i. I thought he was a good play. Not as good as toni pollard. But still a good place. I'm glad that he did pay off. What the see about ronald jones coming back from the pinky surgery cova not it not expected background on jones. Oh really yeah okay. That's that's interesting you know. Tom brady is caught a lot of heat this year. News got thirty two touchdowns eleven interceptions. The bucks are nine in five. They got the lions. In the falcons too close to close up. So i mean they're probably gonna finish eleven and five and brady's gonna have like thirty five touchdown passes in twelve picks. I mean bit pretty good year on paper. Yup for sure all right. let's do. Today is the washington football team in twain. Haskins thurs of fifty five times against the seahawks only resulted in two hundred ninety. Five yards and one touchdown by fifteen of those targets. Went to lt three. Which i mean. Wow but then. After the game dwayne haskins allegedly goes the strip club which you know mobile. You can go to the strip club by in this day and age. You can't go to strip club for not mashed up on. Who wants to strip club in a mask. I don't blame but he wasn't wearing a mask and now there's pictures and now he might get suspended or fine. I don't know what's going to happen. So dwayne haskins might move play in his game coming up. I don't know what they're going to go to. You might get t might spend. I mean he. He allegedly put the team at risk by hanging out with strippers that mask on allegedly allegedly anyways would see dwayne haskins. I don't even know who the backup is asking can't play But yeah at washington. When i was younger. I used to go strip club. I can't realized that strip closer like a big rip off. So but dwayne haskins young. You know he's got a lot of money. I'm not eight known them no no. Nobody's hey i know you're not either. I know it's the mask hitting because the mask situation. That's all of course go to strip up thorpe fifty five times lose. The game goes through Gaza strip clubs that are actually opened. Everything is closed around me but but it sounds like alex smith is going to be back out really. Okay yeah i mean that. That's kind of what. I've picked up from the beat writers just reading. You know. we're doing this on tuesday morning. We don't get any sort of clarity until the first injury report comes out but it did seem like there's optimism about alex smith coming back. Logan thomas has been a guy that he's been really difficult for me to project when he's going to have a good team or not i mean he's been having like monster games against teams that have given up like nothing too tight ends and also in this past. I mean he. He was terrible with dwayne haskins at quarterback earlier in the season all of a sudden he just pops off. You have like seventeen targets or something. Fifteen targets yeah so Jd mix role continues to expand you. I mean he was playing Well ahead of peyton barber even on rushing situations. Okay doesn't do it for this team by t be sure to check out the nba. Check out our youtube. It is free chat. The nba podcast. That is also free for Who continues to crush on the youtube streets for evan four jerry. I'm adam good luck everybody.

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Reactions to hiring of Jason Garrett

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34:07 min | 1 year ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Reactions to hiring of Jason Garrett

"I'm Songwriter Charlie. Harding and I'm musicologist. Made Sloan or the host of switched on podcasts about the making and meaning of popular music every week Charlie and I breakdown down the most interesting hits trends artists to understand what they're doing what they're saying and why the songs are so infectious. We've recently broken down billy. Billy Irish music with her brother and collaborator phidias dissecting chance the rapper with super producer Oak felder and covered everything from Dolly Parton to Travis. 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We're going to be talking a lot about Jason Garrett About The New York giants coaching staff about a lot of the changes going on in the NFC east and in here to help me break all of that down someone who is very very familiar with the work of of Jason Garrett that would be RJ Ocho of SP nations Dallas cowboys website blogging. The boys are Jay. Thanks for coming on of course anytime. Congratulations on having Jason Garrett. Yeah while I I'm not quite sure you mean that but we will. We will get into that. You know the as we record this. It's Sunday morning and and you and I were kind of kidding each other off air. We're sort of two lonely bachelors for the weekend end. Our our wives are both away. We're sort of filling time here by by talking to each other. Yeah I I gotta be honest if when my wife plans to retreat. When she told me I say you know if I can get to talk to ed it will be a good weekend you know? That's that's the goal so I sit here having achieved that and there's really nothing else left for me to do. Hey there you go. My my wife is off. My wife is off visiting my my granddaughter and my son they live about four and a half five hours away from US and and I'm here because I get to dog sit Good for you see. I've got the dog too. So we're literally in the same boat I think he's He might be chewing on the carpet at this particular moment. So I if I have to order a new one on Amazon. It's it's because of this dog. You're ordering a new dog Amazon. John You know they have free today. So we'll see what they can do. Yeah my my dog. My dog is is not my friend right now because my dog woke me up at quarter four in the morning the other day so so he and I are not on good terms right now. Goodness that is That's a rough life. Yeah but but anyway R.. J. Let's let's let's talk giants. Let's Talk Jason Garrett. I really don't think that that this was any big surprise. In the end that the giants hired Jason Garrett on just you know your your initial thoughts first of all I suppose we should back up your initial thoughts on Jason Garrett a a no longer being head coach of your Dallas Cowboys and then be on on being the offensive coordinator for the giants nights. I've been fortunate through my career and I know you've had a lot of similar opportunities. I've been fortunate to be around Jason Jason Garrett at different times and I think it's important to note and I. I think I would be doing him a disservice if I didn't know at the top that he's an upstanding person and I know that There are people who roll their eyes at that and they only care about football and on the field and whatnot. But the guy you see and everybody sees the clapping thing and it's so old and tired and everybody sees the same answers and this robotic persona that he displays to the world. But you know behind all of that. He really is an incredibly charming and charismatic person. And when you experienced that you know you are kind of you kind of you know pinchers. Obviously there's is this really is the same guy and so he. There's a lot to like about him and I know we've spoken before here on your show. I I had had to sort of characterize Jason Gertz redeeming quality and and his quality that's sort of transpired across his entire tenure. It's did his players truly love loved him and I know that that also sounds it. Sounds lame and nobody wants to hear that but You know we've spoken at times. You know the cowboys up until this last season They never lost the game where you know everything was going bad. You know everything went wrong and they lost a really bad game or this or that. You know this drama. Whatever happened off the field? They never responded to that by totally quitting. They always always always fought back back in one and and I think a recent example everybody knows last season they lost their at metlife to the jets and that was a long week that was third loss in a row after they had started off three now and they came back and they beat the crap out of the eagles the following Sunday and that. That's Kinda who Jason Jason Grids Cowboys got knocked down for a second. You know you mentioned. We're talking Sunday morning the morning after After the fight they weren't that cowboy you. You know what I mean that just got knocked down and left and they always got up and always you know. He loved to talk about scratching and clawing and finding whatnot and they always did that. And I I think ultimately that just kind of exhausted itself. I think we saw that finally end when they lost to the buffalo bills on thanksgiving. You know that was is one of those lows and okay. You know they're going to they're going to bounce back. That's that's who Garrett's cowboys are. They went out seven days later and they lost on the road the banners and you know they really really for the first time in a decade had quit and I think it was just you know it was just time for a change. I think we've all experienced that. There isn't a soul all among the cowboys. Who would speak ill of him and I think you know this is a weird way to talk about an ending in sports but he really did give it his all? He really tried very hard and it just. It wasn't enough and you mentioned that. It was a little predictable that he would end up back with the giants. I I'm shocked. It took this long. But you know Jason Go as much as he is a cowboy. He is a giant. He has spoken at many times about how playing for the giants and that organization really shaped him he. He has spoken about having played there during September eleventh and how living in New York at that time was very impact on his life. As as I'm sure is the case for many any New Yorkers and in many listeners of your podcast and so he's a very sentimental person I think there's something else and so the giants I am told a very special place in his heart so it made sense for him to return at some point in so as weird as it sounds. I think a lot of cowboys fans are truly happy for him. I think think he deserves like everyone does define happiness and peace and joy and the giants. If it can't be the cowboys I think are a team that can ultimately help. They're interesting R.. J. We're talking peace and happiness joy here on the Valentine's views podcast sometimes. That's what's necessary there. You go so you know I have looked at at the higher of the offensive coordinator at the higher of Jason Garrett and everybody wants to know well what kind of play caller is he in in in this and that and what kind of offensive system does he run and and I wrote it Big Blue View on Sunday morning that for me not the kind of offense he runs in the play calling and all of that is is really just a small part of the job Bob that I think the giants are bringing him to New York to do. The giants hired a thirty eight year old first time. NFL head coach. First Time time head coach anywhere and for me. I look at it like I think it's a lot of the other things that Jason Garrett brings to the table able as to as to why he could really be a benefit to this giant staff. Now I think that that's That's extremely well said and extremely well put Jason Jared. I'm sure you'll quickly learn believes in finding the right kind of guys that's you know that's his Mo and He his Sir you know people have said forever couch said that he would make an incredible. CEO of any business. I mean and I truly believe that He is an inordinate leader of men. And you know I. I do think that's rare. I think there's a lot of those in sports into the game of football. Certainly but Jason Garrett is very very good at that and I think that's why you know people well don't quit on him and so I think that that sort of pairing makes sense and I think you know the ECHINACEA takes a really humble person to do what Jason Gertz doing. Because I was thinking. How often do you see somebody who's been a head coach for almost a decade you know resort to being a coordinator I hate to call it a resort but the last one I was thinking about was Gary Gary Kubiak and it's not rare earth is very rare and so I think that that certainly makes sense and I know that you know and I say this in all seriousness in in in no no jive here? I know that the giants organization has experienced some struggles in the culture department in recent memory. And if there's any coach uh-huh out there that was available that can fix that. I absolutely unequivocally believe that. It's Jason Geared. I think he would have made sense to be the head coach in Washington Washington. Because they're sort of you know way more in need of that than the giants are but I think for for a young and impressionable and nucleus of players that the giants have. I think that the Jason Garrett is is kind of exactly what they need assuming Joe Judge you know is a fine and you know capable head coach in his own right to your point interesting interesting. Rj Excuse me excuse me still getting over a little a little cough here but I look at Jason Garrett and another thing that I wrote the Big Blue View today is when we talk about the things that he can bring to New York. I look at the Dallas Cowboys head. Coaching job. In the way did I put it is for me. It might be the most difficult job in the NFL simply because of the owner that you have in his his his heavy involvement his high profile his incredibly high expectations not to mention the the national profile profile of of the franchise the media and fan base expectations. And I look at that if you're bringing him in to. I'm to help a rookie head coach. It to to navigate sort of the waters of of New York New Jersey of of of this market in and of what it is to be a head coach. I don't know if you could have brought in a guy that had better preparation for that kind of role I absolutely agree with that It is not easy to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And I do think that that job has become easier over the last decade and I think you know it's certainly worth mentioning that You know twitter and instagram and the social world as we know it heck even explanation. I was not the same place in two thousand eleven When Jason Kerr took over as it is today here in two thousand twenty a lot of the world in in the way information is consumed consumed has changed very very quickly in the time that Jason Guard held that job? And so I I mean I think that Jason Garrett over Time Time Warner Down Jerry Jones and that's a really bad way to put it but I mean to the point that he he had significant say in things you know. Everybody thinks that that job is just a puppets job and whatever and look again. It is very difficult. But I do think that Jason Garrett Trailblazer in a lot of ways for for the men that would follow him or women even though what fallen whatever that would ultimately coach for the Dallas Cowboys. Because you know he he found I think he was. He was close enough to Jerry. Jones To be able to do things to be able to push into be able to prod and you know get a say and whatever and I think you know. One of the biggest examples is one of the biggest moments in franchise history. I mean Jason Garrett was critical and I know this is a place the giants or at although maybe not as awkwardly in the transition from Tony Romo to Dak Prescott. I got you know that feels like so long ago but Jason Garrett oversaw that and helped the team win thirteen games in the process. Rj want to take a quick break here for a word from our SP SPE- nation sponsors. Than I wanNA come back and talk a little bit about what Jason Garrett can do for Daniel Jones. 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And yet when you look at it he will enter two thousand twenty twenty with an entirely new coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball. New head coach. New Coordinator New quarterbacks coach just your thoughts this quickly on on what Jason Garrett can bring for Daniel Jones or I think Jason Garrett has an absolute strength working with young quarterbacks specifically Tony Romo emerged in two thousand six coincidentally against the giants and You know took. The cowboys helped the playoffs that season in the wildcard round the bobble game that everybody remembers but two thousand seven was Tony. Romo's first full season as a starter and Our I should mention Jason Garrett's first year working within that was the year he joined the cowboys staff and I mean the two thousand seven cowboys Which I know is a great subject for any giants Fan You know set. All sorts of franchise offensive records. I was one of the most prolific offenses at the Dallas Cowboys Organization Ever Pat. And that was when a young Jason Garrett was regarded you know people forget but the way that Sean mcvay kind of has been the way they're killing more has been and now Dak Prescott first year under Jason. Go Twenty sixteen while individually. He didn't necessarily. You're not setting the incredible records or anything. He did You know get get things done in a different way you know. It wasn't Aaron the ball out you know and high volumes. But I mean he was an offensive weapon in a way that Dak Prescott is and that was something that Jason Jason Gird oversaw. And so I think that he has an incredible ability to work with young quarterbacks and I I think it's it's worth saying that people have have noted that chasing its biggest flaws generally have been game day execution in terms of being a head coach. And so I think when when those responsibilities were stripped tipped away when all he has to worry about is his department. Where in this case is the quarterback? I think that I would expect a lot of results I really would. And I honestly we believe that Daniel Jones is perhaps the most Jason Garrett quarterback that there is i. I do think that's going to be a very interesting pairing. So you have to tell us a little bit more about why you about why you say that about why you say that that Jones is a Jason Garrett type quarterback why first of I think in in personality and in disposition you know I I mentioned that Jason Gird is very robotic And you know to your point deal you know dealt with at least a a lot of criticism as the Dallas cowboys coach. I think they're being. The quarterback of the giants is a similar job. And I think the Daniel Jones kind of has that same sort of personality kind kind of just shows up. Does this thing and seemingly unfazed by you know anything I mean Daniel Jones dealt with more flack than any rookie quarterback in recent memory. And so I think that they mesh well in that regard but I also think that you know I. I think that Jason Greg Did a Great Job Coaching Dak Prescott but I do think that he is is more or comfortable just because you know. He's an older principal based Sort of coach. I think he's more comfortable with with more classic pocket quarterback than I know Daniel Jones certainly has an ability to move around but I just think his traits and his history and and his football life. Really you know vibe with Jason Gear. You Obviously Danielle Jones evolved under David Cliff. And that's that's like a Jason Garrett thing had a no You know another way to put it just kind and you ever you ever cook in. You know what I mean. And you're like I think I think some peppery go good here. That's kind of how it feels. You're not just feels like something that would would go great together so it'll be interesting to watch. So let's talk a little bit about Jason Garrett you know offensive play caller offensive scheme designer his system quote unquote and he hasn't been a play caller. I think since two thousand and twelve at least full-time is concerned. I I guess it's considered Air Corps Yell it's considered more vertical then the sort of more horizontal more quick throw based stuff that that we've seen seen from the giants under both Ben mcadoo and Pat Shurmur. Just tell us a little bit about what we might expect you know from From Jason Garrett offense. I think that that's well. Put the Air Koryo. Offense Is without question a huge inspiration for how he sees his football ball world. And I you know. I don't know that until recently when when the cowboys acquired Amari Cooper and drafted Michael Gob. I don't know that Jason Garrett ever had the proper toys I mean. I think he always had quarterbacks capable of getting it done. But you know Jason witten capable of running vertically. How not incredibly far but Other than that. I mean you know the cowboys dealt with you. Know they had T. O.. Early on inch Mason guys offensive career with them. You know kind of a bigger body receiver and a guy I who can win across the middle and then they had Dez Bryant who You know patented Kinda the back shoulder throw with Tony Romo and that was the most vertical I think you know the desert he. It wasn't this advanced route runner by any means. And so I certainly think that Sterling Shepard any order Slayton was was fascinating to watch and Ingram are tools and toys that Jason chasing girls can use in those capacities. And I think more than anything though. I think you should expect balance. And I think that Jason Garrett is you know very excited obviously to to go from. Zeke Elliott saquon Barkley. I think many would say. That's an upgrade However I don't know that the giants offensive line is is ready to be what Jason Garrett needs needs? I mean obviously the cavs had one of the better offensive lines in the NFL over the last half decade. And I mean that that is an essential tool I mean that it really is an essential piece to which I mean. It's an essential piece. Everybody wants to do but he truly wants to be as balanced as possible in attack In in style and so is vertical as he gets he also wants to run the ball In in a way he appreciates history and I think that that bleeds over into how he wants to literally play the game and so i. I'm not trying to say that he's GonNa run the ball but he's he's not going to be. This erred out all all the time guy. So I think that there will be a lot of Again anion that is actually one of the things that Joe Judge has talked about one of the the things that that I've always admired about the new England. Patriots is the idea that that they aren't married to one way of doing things to one to basically bringing the same game plan the same scheme the same the same plan of attack weekend and week out that that things change means and Joe Jr his talked about that a lot. Whether it's you know whether we have to run the ball a lot one week where we have to throw it another week and I think that's you know that's something it sounds like like like Jason Garrett as play caller might be flexible enough to To do that. Yeah and I think he's evolved over time. I think he's become flexible and I think he's I think he's learned. I think he's grown and adapted like everybody does is life and so. I think that there are core principles to his offensive philosophy but I do think that he's capable of adjusting to different times. I tell you what I mean. I am very excited personally to see what he does with. Evan Ingram Have some Evan Ingraham. Shares in some dynasty leagues so might be a little bit too personally invested rested. But I mean it's been a long time since Jason Garrett had a dynamic you know kind of playmaking tight end I mean no disrespect Jason Win but I think that that singular peace can be you quite valuable for him. It's interesting because I have said for years when the giants when the giants drafted Evan Ingram was back back in the Ben mcadoo era as head coach. mcadoo at the at the press conference when they drafted Evan Ingram he said you know he said the shortest artist distance to the end zone is straight up the middle of the field you know meaning you know run the same route get the tight end right up. The middle of the field and weirdly macadear never used ingram that way. Neither did Pat Shurmur as you take. One of the speediest tight ends in football. When he's healthy he wanted to the the biggest match up nightmares? In the League from the tight end position and running horizontally and I never understood. Dude it sounds like you think that Garrett might look Ingram and and try to get him up to field a little bit more often. Yeah I think so and I think you analogy Jason Garrett Have Evan Ingram is one thing but the had them with you know I think the giants are in an interesting place overall Daniel Jones in you know and again I mean you now. I have great respect. Eli Manning but to have a quarterback who's who's capable of executing play action and being athletic and moving in adjusting and adapting. I think got it. I think it could be really fun. I think Daniel Jones and Ed Ingraham in general could be done in two thousand twenty but I think Jason Gert might might be the guy that's capable of kind of leaning into that interesting interesting. Well we will see how all of that plays out. I know everybody's A lot of giants fans are are sort of their leery eerie of Jason Garrett and I think part of that is simply because they've been rooting against Jason Garrett in in the Dallas cowboys for thirteen years. Now and snickered at some of the decisions that he's made in all of that so but but as I tell people they just have to let that go and see how this plays out. Yeah I mean There's no question that Jason Garrett has a very checkered past against this franchise as a coach and I mean I you you know. It's it's interesting to look at Michael McCarthy being the cowboys head coach now because you know I think a lot of ways you know Mike McCarthy kind it helped get himself to this point outside of his his dissolution the packers I mean it was. Mike McCarthy's packers that You know dealt the final loss to wade phillips you you know as the cowboys head coach. It was after losing forty five seven of them that the cowboys fired Wade and promoted Garrett and then he ultimately got the job and then Jason Grits. I win actually came on the road. in his new home. I've although I think that was the old meadowlands and then you know Mike McCarthy's packers beat the couch twice in the playoffs and challenges. Is the desk catches is. You don't remember. So I think they are mystically aligned in that way but I also think Jason Gertz been mystically aligned to the giants I mean obviously I mentioned two thousand seven The cow the cow was worse losses in recent memory. was against the giants and then four years later. We've talked about this. You and I the loss at home. It's into stadium. The Jason Pierre Paul blocked field goal and then a few weeks later on the road on. I think that was new year's day the Johnson Garrett has has. I think a lot of kind of like Mike McCarthy. I think the giants have helped get Jason Garrett to themselves by beating him so often and it's always it's interesting when people stay in house like in division. I'm excited or interested to see what potential assistance. Jason could take with him. Yeah that'll be interesting and I suppose supposed since you mentioned it the one that I I think you and I talked about a little bit off. Line Recently let me ask you about Mark Colombo Combo on the offensive line coach because that's a position that's a real key for the giants at this point one they haven't filled yet Let me let me ask you about Bill Callahan. As well since. That's the other name that that keeps coming up the question with Callahan that I have is is you know what is your thought really on the relationship between Garrett and Callahan. Because there's been some questions about that and also as I said your thoughts on unmarked Colombo if he actually emerges as a candidate while Marc Colombo played for the cowboys. Anybody that's unaware and kind of grew up in that that organization and you know joined the offensive staff you know in on a lower level and then as an assistant and then in two thousand eighteen When when the cowboys reached their bye week the week they traded for MRI Cooper? They also fired. Paul Alexander and promoted Colombo and instantly. You know experience a lot success along the offensive line. Many people attributed this to He was he was so you know so little removed from having played himself the players. I really liked Marc Colombo and and just kind of did things their way. I don't mean that. He was a pushover. He he just identified more with them and was able to kind of speak. The same language operate the same way march to the same be in so That's that's been something you know that the the cowboys fans I think have been really not not bothered but you know really a little bit bum to see Mike McCarthy not retain Mark Columbus so. I think that that is a great way to start improving your offensive line this year. The giant sad to go out and get Marc Colombo but on the subject of that it was Bill Callahan. who kind of helped put together the final pieces for the cowboys to build their offensive line as we currently no it He was the team's offensive line coach and offensive coordinator in two thousand fourteen was his final season with the team and that that was Zack Martin's rookie year. And obviously the cowboys won the division and beat the lines in the playoffs And you know that that season the play calling kind of transition transition from Bill Callahan to what was then the cowboys passing game coordinator Scotland a hand. You have to go way back to when cowboys fans were were wanting Scotland a hand and to have control and I think that transition you know just kind of going from Bill Callahan to Scotland a hint in the middle of the season. You know made for some awkwardness. And that's that's why I think it's it's interesting to see that he would want to be on a staff that that feature Jason Garrett let alone featured Gary Raw as his superior but apparently that seems possible and I again both those. Those gentlemen served is huge Members of the cowboys staff in orchestrating imprint. Together the offensive line as cowboys fans. Currently no it so I think you know netting either. One would be a huge boost for the likes of Willow Hernandez and whoever's able to join him all right. Rj last question for you. I would be remiss if we didn't talk about about your cowboys. And and your new head coach right. You mentioned Mike McCarthy. Just your thoughts on on McCarthy as he as he takes the reins in Dallas. Were you surprised by that hire. Are you liked that hire. You hate that hire you know what are your. What are your feelings on that? At this point I think the only thing that kind of copy will by surprise was how quickly cle- It all materialized. you know it was. It was when the eagles loss which I think we can both appreciate during that game. That word finally officially broke the cowboys. cowie's would not be retaining Jason Garrett in you know fifteen hours later you know reports swirling that they were set to hire Mike McCarthy and so you know I think everybody he was just confused. I mean you know Jason Curtis I mentioned was promoted from interim head coach full time in two thousand and ten so the last and that was really obvious everybody knew he was going to get the job so I'll ask true time. The cavs conducted a coaching search was in two thousand and seven when bill parcells retired and they ultimately hydrate Phillips. And so I think everybody was just kind of of the mindset. You know. It's the first time doing this in over a decade you're not GonNa take your time But the cowboys really fell in love with Mike McCarthy and I think there's there's a lot to like you know his his PR tour. He went on. I think really helped. And he he said the word analytics a few times which parks in people's ears. And I think that you know Mike McCarthy's who the cowboys need. I think we would both agree that as a head coach. He's you know at the very least some improvement over Jason Garrett. I mean the guy's super bowl and I mean you know cowboys fans don't like this but the reality is Jason Garrett was almost enough you know he he really was. I mean three different times. He was almost enough to get them to the NFC championship game. which is the weekend that were speaking and so theoretically if he was almost enough? And you'll get somebody buddy who was at worst marginally better. I mean that should be enough. I think the cowboys have a very talented roster and they need a they need somebody who's been there who's done net to kind of bring them them together and get them over the Hump and I do think Mike McCarthy could be that guy and I think this was an interesting coaching cycle and you have a new head. Coach is obviously obviously but I think the giants a different place in the car. Which is why Joe Judge made sense for that but I think the cowboys you know? They're on the third leg of the relay. Okay so they need a four data hand the baton off to as opposed to somebody to kind of started off them. That's an interesting way to put it. Rj well we will see how it all works out. Obviously there's a new coach in Washington as well so the the NFC Easter should Should be an interesting place as always in twenty twenty and you and I am sure we'll talk again so thank you very much for joining me today. Of course Happy New Year. Twenty twenty dollars listeners. I hope you all experience wins Health and success But I hope that your draft class just aren't great football players. That's all we really want from. You guys had had to go there didn't Ya R._J.. All right thank you for listening giants fans and we'll talk to you soon bye bye.

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Big Blue preView: Week 7 at Atlanta Falcons

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Big Blue preView: Week 7 at Atlanta Falcons

"Hey, everyone today on the show we talk about some of the problems. Giants are having on offense and ways they can try to move the ball on the Atlanta defense. You also talk about if the giants defense has enough to match up with Atlanta's offense. Also, one more note we recorded this before the Patrick mummy news came out. So he has been benched Spencer is going to come in at center. They're gonna move junk wrath Odaguard. Obviously, that's a big change that doesn't change the offensive line conversation. We have on this episode too much, but it's just definitely something to note that it's not included in the episode because it happened a little after record it. So thanks and let's get to. Hello and welcome to the Dave view podcast. I am dam Zuta joined as always by Chris flow, and we're here to break down the Monday night football matchup between the New York Giants and the Atlanta Falcons, Chris, how you feel about watching this team in prime time? Once again, could we do it in not prime time? I don't know. When the giants playing this year and last year I've not looking forward to losing sleep and watching them at the same time. But you know, it is what it is second week in a row. They're in primetime going to be honest. This like Thursday night to Monday night schedule has completely thrown me off this week. I have no idea when I'm supposed to be doing what that is. A weird interval. We get into our routines. We get into the weekly grind, got certain things to do on certain days, and then there's a what, a ten day gap. I mean, that's just weird that everything was rushed to go into Thursday game felt like I had to get everything out in like a two day span. And now I feel like there's just been like a month between. I've written this week, but you go, we're gonna be getting to a game on Monday night. I guess before we get into the actual game, we'll talk about some news that happened. I guess the biggest if we really wanted consider it that I honestly don't know if I do is the giants signed Corey Coleman to the practice squad a former first round pick of the Cleveland Browns on like four teams are ready this year. So Yellen three, three, only three. Okay. So this is the Browns, the bills and the patriots. Okay. So this is his fourth, if if that makes much of a difference, so he's on the practice squad, not even the active roster yet. There was like a lot of commotion about a what Coleman's role in the offense could be, and he's not even really on the team yet. He's a guy that had some potential coming out of college came at bay. Taylor. That was one of those really spread big twelve offenses, and a lot of his numbers were just volume coming at it there. He has not shown a consistent ability to get open or catch, which if you're wide receiver, those two things slightly important, just a bit just a bit. He is an absolutely ridiculous athlete. So he's going to, he's going to get chances. It's a really low low to no risk signing end who knows maybe getting to see Odell Beckham in sterling Shepard practice getting to see how they go about their craft. Maybe it will pay off, which is all you can say about it at this point. Definitely agree. It's a very low risk signing, especially to the practice glide, but don't get your hopes out that this is how to amount. Want to anything I shared on Twitter when this move came out per air yards dot com. I have just a chart of Corey Coleman's catch rate by his depth of target, and it is well below week average at just about every point. It's just a huge graph that that goes by death of target from negative five all the way to fifty. The only parts where he's above average is where it gets to like forty three yards past the line of scrimmage, which is super deep and almost no passes effort happen there. So I think we've already spent too long talking about Corey Coleman. I mean, there's that that's all they're not going to bring anything so we can move on a little bit more consequential news. It appears that everything room and read Ellison are back so wound have Scott Simonsen be the starting tight end, which is a good thing and especially with wide receiver being, you know what it is. Could he ladder put on I r the depth behind Oto Beckham in sterling Shepard being jewel Davis and Russell Russell shepherd. I think that's where it is now. It's occasionally tough to keep track with the way they tinker shuffle around the back into the roster, but either way it's good to have Evan Ingraham back to the maybe play that pseudo eleven personnel with Ingram, ELS in both on the field it absolutely just because of the players they have had available. Now, giants have been in eleven personnel, which is three ride receivers, sixty seven percent of the time that's above this sixty three percent. We average, they've only been in twelve personnel, which is too tight ends the twenty three percent of the time that's still above average. But I think they wanted to be in that a little more and that's not just to run the ball that's also to pass because like we said, Ingram can be out in the slot. He can be out wide. So that gives you a defacto third wide receiver. You can still give a heavy look. That helps play action, a win opposing defenses. Thank your. Going to go heavy to run the ball in the end up throwing, and it also presents a athleticism mismatch. 'cause then you wind up getting a guy who runs a four, four forty matched up on a linebacker who is probably considerably slower or a safety who is considerably smaller said. That's one of the things I like about the twelve personnel package with. It's generally a very efficient personnel package. That's one thing. The giants will probably try to use more of here and now that they can when Ingram without the result lead so much they could do now with Ingram and Ellison will like they're going to be coming back. It'll be good, and that's something the giants can try to exploit here as they head down to Atlanta on Monday night. These two teams a wiggle disappointing in different ways. I would say the giant Sergio's I've been we've, we've talked about the giants. Let the falcons only two and four and they've, they've had some close losses. They lost by six to Philly. The first week they lost in New Orleans in overtime in week three, they lost by one to Cincinnati in week four. The only you like real loss. They had was to Pittsburgh in week five, and they just kinda got blown out there. They wanna shoot out against Tampa Bay last week, but this is kind of this is like a falcons team to the extreme last year when a lot of people were blaming their offense for not being great, the offense was actually pretty good, and the defense was really what wasn't great. And what was the kind of bringing them down and stopping them for being one of the best teams in the league and this year, it's that to the extremes. The offense is super good. Their eleventh in authentic delay their sixth in passing DVD. But the defense is. Twenty-seventh in defensive Devi away, they are thirty first in yards allowed per drive and thirty second in points allowed per drive. And that's only gotten worse with some of the defensive injuries they have had Kiana Neal is out. Dion Jones is out, and those are two of the players in the middle of the defence you. They were really hoping we're going to step up and play big ports, and now that middle of the field is wide open. And when we look at when the giants have the ball, that's something they should try to take advantage of. Yeah. And also, one of the things that next gen stats revealed is that the falcons can't tackle. They're not the worst tackling team the league, but they're close. I sleep. They were the fifth worst tackling team. They've missing on average about somewhere between ten and eleven tackles a game, and the giants have probably the hardest player to tackle in the league right now. Saquon Barkley. So that's also something that will that will play a role? Yes. So purge sports, Infos solutions, charting on football outsiders here. Atlanta has the sixth highest percentage of plays with a broken tackle on defense. So yeah, going against saquon Barkley is going to be quite a test for this defense. Atlanta is twenty six in Devi away against running backs in the passing game. And that's one place we can go now to kind of talk about it when we look at kind of how this offense can improve all have a piece on that out. Hopefully by the time this podcast is up. I know you did the defense earlier in the week, and one of my things is giving Barkley more touches in the passing game on early downs and getting him into. Space more a you. We'll get Barclays targets. He is second on the team with sixteen I, our targets, but purrs sports info solutions. Only twelve of those have been catchable and on those sixteen targets, the combined area arts is negative one. So Barkley is he's getting targeted behind the line often and that's more work to gain yards. That's very simple logic. I forgetting thrown behind the line. You have to do a lot more just the gain a positive yard. So if they can get Barkley out into space more a little more routes, some bore routes into the open field and into the middle of the field Vernon, angle route or something where Barkley is the actual read and not just the check down and you force these Atlanta defenders to make a tackle when they've already been struggling to make tackles. And that's something that's going to be moving the chains and you can get some chunk place. Just go in that way. It's the same logic as with every single attack. The middle of of a field with somebody who is going to be a mismatched is one way or the other. And except for a couple of inches in height, Ingram in Barkley are very similar mismatch. Right. And one thing you can do there with Ingram is is run him up. The seem ally has only thrown five CM routes this season per sports info solutions, and that is not a lot. He was actually pretty good at at seem rats last year, and that's one way to get more of a deep shot without really developing something out wide to happen down the fields, you release a tight end like Ingram up to see him. And those throws are gonna come new, twelve fifteen yards down the field just by design, and that's not something you have to work on a lot to get open. So that's another place. The giants can use. Maybe some some big plays down there down. The seems. It's also a way to attack some of these soft zone coverages which teams have been using to constrict down on Oto go who is not getting released down the field nearly as much as he should be or sterling Shepard who is hardly enough seems to be getting more downfield routes or at least more downfield targets than anyone else right now. Yeah, I think shepherd you could. You can try to get a little more involved. The problem with the falcons right now is around the slot area. There twenty seven db away against other wide receivers. The giants as we talked about don't really have other wide receivers. They have Beckham and shepherd. Atlanta is nineteenth against number two wide receivers by twenty first against number ones. So that's another mismatch and you would hope you figure out some ways to. Exploit those corners and this defense that has had a what of trouble at stopping opposing offenses. This year, they're twenty sixth in big play rate allowed. So I'm we did see that against Carolina Carolina. One was one of the worst defenses in big play rate allowed, and the giants were able to go down the field. So hopefully they have a line. Oh, like game plan a going into Atlanta. Yeah. Well, we're basically dancing around the big problem and that is where I should say the big question and that is which giants offense are we going to see, are we going to see the one like in Carolina and to a lesser extent, Jacksonville and Houston, where they actually do look down the field, it's not ninety percent check downs in bubble screens and three yard crossing routes where they actually throw the ball more than. Yeah, throw the ball more in about five yards down the field in the air, or are we going to see a game plan like against Dallas or New Orleans or Philly, where they seemingly recoiled in horror of the game tape of July, throwing the ball down the field and stuck with a design that gets saquon Barkley the ball at negative three yards or has Oto Beckham running most of his routes to the two yard line. If that's going to be the constant battle, we tried to figure out we can always hope for the downfield throws if feels like they know they need to throw downfield more, but we just, they also don't want to. It's weird everyone. You talk to you about this offense. Pat Shurmur goes on calling plays to get downfield. UI manning says, yeah, I'm trying. Would love to throw downfield and then in practice, it just doesn't happen if they can't do that against Atlanta, then I'm not sure what the point is of anything really. And I know like we've already talked about how we need to kind of look at this offense and look at what's going on and really think about what it is, but and if they can't push the ball down the field against Atlanta, they can't gain junkyards then like we need to seriously look at just every aspect of what's going on and something will actually need to change instead of just being talked about agreed and to me that this was probably the most frustrating part of especially in the new ones and Philadelphia games, those are teams were we said the exact same thing they have. They had secondary's. Everybody is going down the field. On them and the giants made absolutely no attempt to attack down the field until they absolutely had to when they were desperate. The game was out of hand and furiously trying to make a comeback, then they look down the field. But before that they never challenged the coverage. They never looked down the field and they made bad secondary's look, great. That's the real crazy thing. The giants have done an incredible job at making bad secondary's look, good this year. The saints haven't been able to stop anyone, but the giants, the eagles were susceptible to big plays, especially Jalen mills. The giants barely went after him until really late in the game when it was again already out of control, so and if they're not taking shots against Silvana and Washington's next week and then the by, and you know, without might be the time. Time we see, you know, some kind of change whether it's at quarterback or I don't know just something gift and just probably tangent to that is the frustration per looking at the roster and you see players like everything which granted he has been dealing with that niece brain, but still he's there now and he was there earlier in the season. You see Odell Beckham and you see saquon Barkley and this is an offense that has been built to just pummel defenses with haymakers and they're not light. Jabs love taps almost no follow-through. Yeah, we don't wanna look too far ahead, but Washington is the fourth best defense right now in preventing big plays and who. So I think there's again a lot of problems here. I think one thing we can try to look at is trying to figure out what the giants are doing with play action. They are. On one of the worst teams at running play action this year, we'll get this. They have only run play action on twenty percent of their plays, which is twenty third highest rate. They have six point, eight yards per play on play action passes, which is twenty. Fourth, they have six point, seven yards per play on non play. Action passes, which is actually sixteenth teams would be able to completely kill on play action. There are sixteen teams in the league than average more than eight yards per play on play action passes only four teams average eight yards per play on non play action passes. And as I've written about a bunch, you don't need a good running game to run play action effectively. You need a good play action game to run play action effectively. And you would think even if you subscribe to the idea that it takes a good running game, you put sake. On Barclay in the backfield teams should be honing in on him the, but they're not in the giants. Have just have not been able to take advantage of something that is pretty much Chico for almost every other team in the week. So they're just now running play action. Well, and and that's another part that's really holding the offense back it is and it's suppressing because of the the west coast often brutes of this system and going back to Bill Walsh. He said straight out that if you were going to attack down the field, you used play action because it is the easiest way to get. There's the safest way to get there because if you do it even just a competently defenses have to respect it. It's built into their DNA and linebackers half camped. Just completely disrespect. The possibility of a run right linebackers are trained to watch the offensive linemen and if the offensive linemen are. Selling or run. Well, the linebackers are going to react to the run. It doesn't matter if there's been passes for the past like ten or fifteen plays. If it looks like there's going to be a run, the love backers are going to try to stop the run. And the one of the craziest things about what's going on is play. Action is hell. Well, Shurmur ran it in Minnesota. Last year they were first in the percentage of plays with play action was thirty percent. They had eight point four yards per play on play action, which was seven. So Minnesota was a real good play action team last year, and Shurmur is now run it less often. And it's a widow harder to Ryan when you're trailing because you don't run as often. So the idea of selling a run doesn't work as well. But also you could still run more because the giants are still running. The ball. So I'm little confused of why the play action is now working well, and I think that's something the giants really need to fundamentally fixed. Because like for most offenses in the week right now, play action is free yards and the giants are not taking them. It's just one of many things out. Maybe defenses have figured out that they don't have to respect the giants offensive line. So they're not telling their linebackers two, or there may actively telling the linebackers to not crash to hold off and wait. But with Barkley there, you never know when he's going to make a defensive lineman, look silly and take off. So it's one of many weird and confusing things that should not happen yet are constantly it. That's pretty much the story of the New York Giants season yet. But I think if we if we look at that the offensive line and it may in net. It's something that we have to continually talk about all the time. It's something that's going to have to hold up. Atlanta has not been great at generating defensive pressure there, mainly twenty fifth in defensive pressure rate, which not good. They have some give decent pass rushers. They have attack McKinley. He's going to, he's going to eat one of the giants, offensive tackles, at least once he, he comes from all over and he is fast and powerful. And that's a tough combination for these guys. Vic Beasley actually occurred sports info solutions, weeds the team in pressures. He was a guy who led the league in sacks two years ago, kind of disappeared last year with dealing with health and some other things. But while the Adrian clayborn and tack McKinley came up last year and they were Atlanta's pass rush. And again, the pass rush, wasn't that great last year, the Beasley again. Weeding the team in pressures now, Atlanta wet. Adrian clayborn go in the off season. He's now in New England and has more pressures than anyone on Atlanta does. So there's pretty much any defensive line. The potential for a breakout is always there against the giants. Again, there's no one was really JJ. Watt was good, but he had his, yeah, I'm still JJ watt game against the giants. So that could easily be the case against Atlanta here. Even though to this point, rushing, the passer has not been there strain. No Beasley only has one sack on the season right now. So there's a distinct possibility. He will get healthy as it were against either Nate's older or Chad Wheeler. The do move McKinley around. I've seen him rush from left side right side defensive tackle where. Wherever. So that's something that that we are. The giants will have to keep track of. Yeah, McKinley has six quarterback hits that weeds the team four and a half sacks. So when he's getting to the quarterback, he's converting. Another thing we'll have to watch is Grady Jarrett up the middle enough people talk about handy's become like one of the best defensive tackles in the league. He's already got four quarterback hits, but no sacks. Those are going to come. When you look at Saks per quarterback, hit, you usually convert around like forty percent of them and when you're either well above or well below that it's going to regress and even out. So the sacks are probably coming for Grady Jarrett. And again, that could just be something that he's waiting for Monday night to do. So I think that probably covers the offensive side of the ball. There's again so many things to watch. They're so many pieces that could go one way but might not. It's another thing where it's just who knows what it's going to be until we see it, and hopefully we see what we're hoping for, but who knows? But as we shift to the defensive side of the ball, the giants are going to have to defend against an offense. That's been pretty good. It has been able to gain yards in score pretty much at will that -lanta is fifth in yards for drive on offense. They're six points per drive. The giants are twenty fourth in yards allowed per drive and twenty sixth in points allowed per drive. So yeah, that's a bit of a mismatch. They're definitely, and it does give us the chance though to talk about the curious case of Julio Jones it, he is absolutely mystifying. NG as a receiver that he's probably most athletically freaky wide receiver in the NFL today, especially since Calvin Johnson retired. But while he can just gash defensive between the twentieth as soon as they get in the red zone, he disappears. He doesn't have a touchdown this year. He only had three all of last year. You know what I know that's been made a big deal, but in reality it doesn't really matter. He already has seven hundred eight receiving yards. Again, he's he's catching things at will he does suppose it's more curious why he doesn't get used as much in the red zone as their other targets. Yeah, that's something that's a going to continually be a question. It is strange, but it's less strange when the offense is actually clicking in the red zone. Now, last year you could have made a much bigger deal about this when Atlanta wasn't particularly good. In the red zone, and they still weren't using Julio Jones. But right now, Atlanta is eighth in points for red zone trip. Their fifth in touchdowns per red zone trip. So they're figuring out how to score and whether that involves Julio Jones or not has really not been an issue so far this year now and still further best score has been the rookie Kevin Ridley he's multi was Mohammed snood for third and receptions, but he leads the team with six touchdowns and he's he has been getting them from all over the field, either long breakway touchdown catch and runs or doing work in the red zone. While teams are looking at Muhammed new and Julio Jones right there, they're going to have a way, and I think I'm going to try to have a peace probably on Monday before this game of what the giants could learn from Atlanta in the red zone and the man. That's where the giant. All right now were there were hoping they can take lessons in the red zone from the falcons, but they have gotten much better in in playcalling. They're coming out wide. They're using valve combinations that open guys up there using running backs Cullman out with with wide receivers, and that puts stress on the defense and a ridley's had a couple of really nice plays there. So they just, they know their talent, they know what they're good at and they're able to score. But also this is going to be quite a matchup here, especially in the red zone. When we look at that because as much as the giants have allowed teams to kind of gain yards at will they've been able to play well in the red zone. They are tenth in points, allowed per red zone trip on defense, and seventh in touchdowns allowed per red zone trip on defense. And again, like we've talked about as you go through. A larger sample, the red zone stats are more likely to look like the other eighty yard stats than the other way around. So again, that's something that might change in Atlanta by be able to take advantage of, but we'll see whether the giants can stop Atlanta from scoring points when they're close there. Well, they'll have to. They're probably not going to be able to stop them from moving the ball at will, too many weapons too many explosive weapons. They're receiving core is far deeper than the giants secondary. They're probably going to have to really dedicate resources to keeping Jones in new in check, which will just naturally open up Ridley and Austin Hooper and HUD Sarb running back ITO Smith, Kevin Coleman guys like those those secondary auctions, the giants aren't really going to have anybody left to cover them. Yeah, and I think one thing we can definitely monitor as we go into this game is Kelvin. Ridley and Muhammad's to new were held out of practice. They're still likely to play, but we'll, we'll see it's the same thing as Evan Ingram and of red Ellison were both held at a practice on Wednesday, but they have they. I've been doing some more drills in and they will like they're set to play. So maybe it's not too big of a deal, but something we can watch. Those are their second and third receivers who didn't practice in the middle of the week. Again, it's a game on Monday. So those practices reports mean a little less than if the game was on Sunday Atlanta, that's what they can do. They can. They can spread you out and throw to absolutely anyone on the field at any time. Devante Freeman is out for the year, but ITO Smith has been a good pass catching running back when he's played. Tevin Coleman is really good. Pass. Catching running back Austin. Hooper has he's had twenty two targets over the past two games, and he is a very good receiver when he gets a chance, he doesn't always get a chance because those other receiving options usually take precedent in the offense. Atlanta is just soared to cover because while you focus on Julio Jones. So many other options can beat you just as easily deaf and they make use of them and what? What? A, what a crazy idea, amazing. And they're really good about finding those opportunities and creating those opportunities. They change formations. They move guys around, they'll play Julio Jones out of the slot. They'll go from a bunch formation to a full empty set spread, and it's really effective. If there's one upside is that the falcons are not great at running the ball right yet they've struggled there. They are thirtieth in rushing Devi away at six in passing. But as we know and as we said on this podcast, many times and something I will continue to repeat passing way more efficient than running. So when you can throw the ball to gain yards and score. Points. I, you're just going to keep doing that, and that is completely fine. And I think that's something we're going to see Atlanta do. I don't think they're going to waste a lot of time running the ball if they can't of right now. Atlanta is the eighth most past heavy team in the league just overall. So I don't. I don't know if they're going to spend a lot of time wasting their time trying to establish the run when they can just throw it down the defensive throws in and gain yards and score that way. And when you have two quarterbacks on the outside, like the giants do who are struggling right now, that is, it's not going to be hard to throw. So when we look at janoris Jenkins right now on mung, sixty five qualified Cornerbacks is fortieth in yards allowed per pass and forty. Fifth in success rate to ally. Apple who's returned. He had a really good first couple of weeks of the season. But again, like we talked about that was against like Dante Moncrieff and the weird collection of Cowboys wide receivers. So now after like those first couple of games, he's now all the way down to thirty fourth in yards allowed per pass and thirty first in success rate among those sixty five qualified quarterbacks. And over the past couple of games he's been picked on Philly picked on him a whole bunch in that Thursday night game. So we'll see where Atlanta goes there. If they try to pick on him again with sin, new and Ridley, whoever is going to be on the outside in a given play, and maybe just they throw to Julio all the time with Jacobs covering them because he hasn't been great at covering. Number one receivers this year, the giants are twenty-seventh against number one receivers. By so hand, Atlanta just has a lot of places where they match up well on defense. So if they're not running the ball, well, I could see them barely trying to run the ball at all. On just throwing at will because the probably can def. This could be a game where we see the giants pass, rush start to get home. Again. It'll be Olivier Vernon. Second game back, you said ten days to kind of rest and recover from that first game back from high ankle sprain and Atlanta is not great at protecting Matt, Ryan. Now they're very pass happy, which means defenses have a lot of opportunities, but he's still taking a fair amount of hits. Atlanta is nineteenth right now in pressure rate allowed on offense. The giants starting to to come alive of whittle bit in the past rush area. I mean, alleviate Vernon definitely added to that against Philly. Right now. The giants are nineteenth in defensive pressure rate. Adding Vernon gives you know someone the opposing offense really needs to take account of. And that should open up some other things. You know in the middle of the line, it'll open up some things for the secondary pass rushers, you know, who were the primary pass rushers in the early part of the season. So we'll see. And yeah, if there is a part where the giants could have an advantage on the defensive side of the ball, it's probably with Vernon and trying to establish that pass rush because the secondary against the wide receivers. And that's not something where you can expect them to hold up and succeed often. So the pass rush is going to have to get home if they have shot. Definitely. And it will be interesting to see how much we see of BJ hill. And Lorenzo Carter when I was looking at ways the giants could kind of slap some duct tape on their defense and maybe make a mid in season improvement. I think playing those guys more. Would be one of the things they should look at. We've seen hill have success maybe a little bit more fits and starts, but he is a much better athlete than his size and usage in college would suggest we saw him get a sack, get a lot of pressure against Houston, both from the defensive tackle position and as defensive end and Renzo Carter, his athleticism just speaks for itself and the giants need to figure out a way to just unleash it. Yeah, all four more BJ hill snaps. However, they can figure out how to do that. Definitely on board for that, he's probably been one of their better defensive players this season, which is not saying too much. Now, if we're being completely honest, but yet that I think that defensive line is going to have to dominate. Eight. I just because if if you're given Matt Ryan time and we've we haven't even mentioned Matt Ryan. He's been really good. I know he's can occasionally be easy to ignore it even though we want an MVP award. But Matt Ryan has been really good. And if if you let him sit back there, he is going to find the right option. He's going to find a big option and that's not the way to stop the offense. So they definitely need to get pressure that that's probably their only chance. I wouldn't be surprised to see James Becher just go all out on the attack, their concerns in the secondary, the outright problem in the middle of the field at the free safety position. Those are not good for a heavy up blitz, heavy defense. But if you're cover, guys aren't going to be successful covering, you might as well send him after the order back in hope that you can rush his process, move him off of his spot, hopefully get him on the ground or somehow force mistake. Yeah, that's going to be the key you. We will definitely see that. I wouldn't be surprised to see the giants be a widow more blitz heavy than they have been already. So I think we can ended there. 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The Nat Coombs Show : Edge Rush #3

The Nat Coombs Show

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The Nat Coombs Show : Edge Rush #3

"Welcome to the not coop. Show edge rusher in association with bread. Good to have you with us gang as we get you set some of the best action you should be looking at on the week twelve slate. I say producer early the best action that alleged should be looking out on the week. Twelve slate we've already given them some gems. Of course because thanksgiving was a double header in the end as opposed to the tri factor with the movement of that status ravens game. But i'm the games that go ahead all right did we. We did okay. Yeah it was It was a good thanksgiving now. I think safe to say. I mean all we did expect a little points in houston texans game against detroit lonzo. You didn't quite expect the texans to to up. The point starts themselves go. i love. he'd be over with one team security or conversely when one team like the bay game a few weeks back when the saints were rolling the three points the bucks but up at the over half tiber rubbing has like the over definitely coming in. Maybe it's not all right. Let's get down to business so we got. Let's have a look three games. We got a bit more detail. Prop is back with the bats longchamps as well the edge rush acker of the week. That's where picking somebody like treble essentially three teams that we like the look of bundle them together. Some alright action. Let's get down to business with bucks chiefs first of all probably gave me the weekend that assay and sped say that. We're expecting a lot of points in this one as well. Right one hundred percent you ever under fifty six point five star fifty three but unsurprisingly. Oh the money is being coming in on the over. That's largely due to the fact that it's mahomes. It's tom brady and they both have playmate. Because so why wouldn't you expect points the chiefs out. She averaged a league. High thirty two points per game the box score twenty nine so quick matt's that had too much of mass but going i'll give it a thirty. Two plus twenty nine is more than fifty six and a half sixty one go now carson. I broke down this game over on our previous cigarette. That ibm listen to it or already a will say that quite obviously the chiefs have a fallibility defensively particularly on the ground. So it's gonna be interesting to see how much the bucks trying established the ground game not just of costa get productivity from it but also to set up a play actually which has been so successful for the brady this season. That's a lot of criticism that is being thrown at them in terms of what areas embar left which doing playcalling. And how. I guess retro an old school and quite static. This offense looks like he'll be in principle in stark contrast to the chiefs here with the prototype of contemporary offensive. 'cause but i think that's maybe a bit overstated and wouldn't be surprised at all if they look to the ground game. Get roy jones rolling. He's what seven hundred fifty five fifty fifty yards this season five touchdowns averaging around seventy game so for that in the mix as well so i think they stopped that they will be able to rack up points against the chiefs and we know that the chiefs can score against any defense. Even one is studies the bucks so i liked the over a lot even at fifty six point five ship context all sounds like a very big asset is in two thousand and twenty. That is not ridiculously high. Fifty i mean is recorded lost time out and fifty six is is requiring a lot of action on both sides but definitely attainable definitely attainable. Doesn't scammy me no scares me. I think that's largely due to the fact that both of these offenses when given the right defense to play against just can absolutely go to town and realistically the one thing that casey really struggled to stop the run the tampa bay has a four and one overall record when a team rushes for at least ninety eight yards. And i think they will be easily be able to do that against the conscious chiefs this week and i also think as we said last week. I what the two things tom. Brady's struggles with playing late at night playing for pride time. That's the favorite now after the season avocados pressure up the middle right exactly hard games to pick in terms of you chiefs minus three and a half right. I mean that's a above that line above the three two and a half to be precise owed nunc feel strongly about that but the overall i think shading over a you got that clinton you're right. Yeah i'm shading over on this one. Also as long as the line stays at three and a half. I'm shading the bucks. I just believe that this game is going to be simply one of contemplating school more points. And patrick mahomes. I think that the way that this chiefs defense plays realistically. I think they have the chance to. Or if not get very close. So i think three and a half. It's quite generous. And i'll be likely to take that as well. Right baz packers next pakistan surprised. He heavy favorite. Yeah one hundred percent chicago off a by falling. Four straight defeats look mitch. Trubisky is going to be the starter as follows a struggling with a hip injury. Tired after the match. Exactly but regardless. Whether mitch or nick foles is played they have failed to school more than twenty three points a game since week. Three ugly free and that one of the worst rushing games in the league is just not much fun. Bears fan right now. The defensive player who got now leading rushing. Yes which i think is an incredible feat and then on the other side you have green bay average. The thaad most points in the league. Davante adams ten touchdowns in eight james iron range. Aaron rodgers playing incredible incredible football at the minute. It's just whether that defense can hold up when you're paying on offense. Chicago's probably shouldn't be too difficult will. Yeah that's yeah for the line certainly nine and a half is is eh is happy but like that logic that the baptist would be able to get a huge amount done much more than the over the strawberry forty four and a half but seven out of ten games for the buzzer. Gone under right so that that's something to bear in mind. Yeah if you don't really buying into any up left and up taking an in galvanization of their offense they would. Mitch gives them more on the with his legs. I guess that's gonna wanna advantage. But he come up as the players. Probably i it. It comes down to whether you think that despite the gop's concerns and frailties of this green bay side. I don't necessarily mean defensive even with the offense missteps. Receivers valdes scantling particular being erotic. If you think that's enough to scare you off. What is you know quite a making the best quality care. But i again that feel massively. Strongly on either would lean. Pack is probably Yeah i take take the nine and a half because i think green bay when it comes to be but it's not the me something that really stands out this weekend but you like. Do you feel strongly on either of those. No i don't but it has said that the shops have leaned one way. And that's for sure on that as i'm green bay under the under the over onto started out share about forty six and a half and has moved this way down forty four and a half and package that she started his only seven and a half point favorites so it means a lot of money has been coming in on both the packers and the under and i think is actually solely down to reason the as have one of the west offenses in the league genuinely the reason why both of those numbers have been changing and it's hard to argue against it you know. I don number that high necessarily I'd stay away from the totes when probably lean towards the packers. If i was going to a game. I feel much more strongly about cults. Titans another mom yeah ooh. Ucs surprised. I feel strongly about us while we disagree on this no. I don't think we're going to disagree on this. I just think it's interesting. Because i i've seen two very different arguments. Being posed around in terms of what people are saying about these two teams. So i'm intrigued. See we think all right. Well i will tell you. I'm on a all over the titans here. Maybe even titans moneyline certainly titans three. Which at the time of recording is where the line is right. Yeah it is in the over fifty one and a half okay so so much emphasis on what happened a couple of weeks back right. Let's break that down a bit when the colts ultimately won comfortably based on their second half performance and the score and the titans were always in front halftime and the reason that game ran away from them was not solely. This significant factor was special teams and ponting in particular right. They had two touchdowns were scored from a erotic mistakes. That typically don't happen you can't necessarily you know it's a little bit like turnover ratio looking at team. That has such a distinctive turnover ratio in their bondage. That will level itself out. And it's the same thing when you look you break down this game. It wasn't a case of the colts. Yes they stifled. The titans in the second their reasons for that henry. How dc gain but it was a bad before mr netanyahu. They happen from time to time even in the space of two weeks. They've got that offense humming again right. Aj brown is bowling. absolutely bowling. henry is always going to be a fact that the colts contain him contain even though they've got one of the best run defenses in the nfl so not again. You can't win game. Most of the time just on henry and the titans and that is where i think they've been hot and called the season because that passing game. Unlike last season where it was so consistent and tannahill was so consistent has been a little bit topsy turvy. But i think they're coming into this game in that group and i think they're going to be at altogether different proposition to summarize. They were running. The colts close lost. I'm out when they weren't paying particularly well. And i think they'll i think the line for the number is critical three points yet. I'm across that fisher. Don is interesting. Because i think i i was. I have. i'm indifferent on terms of the line between the two teams. Purely on the fact that i've been going against philip rivers for the past couple of weeks and he always seems to buy me back so i'm kind of afraid to go against him this week. Colts offensive actually a lot. Better than people give credit for the one thing i do like about people. See it the other way out of the other way round over the age philip rivers. Has they've come on. Stop because they batch rivers rivers. Tell something ridiculous you're experiencing the other way. One hundred percent is Earlier on the season watching a lot of colts games and finding it painful to witness philip rivers trying to pause twenty odds and he was really starting to get anything going on offense but the way that utah's the titans means that they are actually quite flexible offense and actually quite dynamic and i think one of the keys. Statistics is the fact that the toxins calm radio. Stop the run very well and went indianapolis russia's gain at least combined one hundred nine yards this season they have five and one overall. I think that bay key statistic the one arm leaning towards the over and i think the tendency is going to win it because i don't think the tennessee defense is very good. I think the after school points on the coast defense. I think that's the only way going to be able to do it all cover this anyway. I think china hill as you said. He had a bad game in the previous match up. But he's throwing twenty two and three interceptions. that's one head of a ratio and one. That probably doesn't get talked about enough. Tennessee is one of the three teams in the league. Best seven two one record against the over under you've got derrick. Henry who when he gets going is impossible to stop. So i see there being kuala points in this game with the colts. I always say exact same with the packers game and then he's gonna going to same with this game. I think is going to go down to the wire. I think is going to be tight going down the stretch. I think he's just depends. Who makes the play in the final quarter even in overtime as we saw when. Mvs fumbled booth packages really really strong argument. Naturally you convinced me to to look at the over because again in two thousand twenty times a relatively modest fifty one point five. I think that's a really good. Look all i. I'm sticking with with the titans plus three because again play the number. That's option often. Really critical at there reecey bison ineffective without necessarily deep diving into the reasons. Why the titans were on paper. Beaten cycle brands will be lost time around. I think it's an all together different tennessee team that you're seeing coming into this because the passing game china and i think that's going to cause the colts problems and keep it close. I'm not convinced not convinced that They run away with as they have done. And you appointing out before we started recording in your always deeply researched Running order juicero each of the cult. Six victories other than last week's overtime win against green bay has been decided by at least four points right so when they win they they tend to win comfortably. but i think that ends This time round Or if If they do it think it's going to be by that margin. And like i said even like tend to see money line out throws interested in not everyone in of the shops and tons of the money's been going towards the titans line actually opened up at four and a half right and has moved his way down to three. I think a lot of people believe that number was way too. Big a stall which i tend to agree with but yeah i think is going to be a close game this one and it could go either way. I'll row with who will lead to roll with him with the shops. Right that's You love the shops of the shove you speak at a witch. Pro- time via prop bets got three goodies. Talk my first. One is called big. I took a couple of big numbers. i do. Expect these players to have big days. The first one and i know you've got an opinion on this game so come to you. Afterwards roby aniston buses the vikings over seventy two and a half yards. I mean addison ranks ninth amongst wide receivers in yards. There's no doubt here's benefited massively. While moving away from the jets. And i think we can tell you that every ever. Yeah exactly. I love his up. This week he's going to be covered by cameron. Dantzler the rookie who's been absolutely biden coverage whenever he has to take on anyone of any caliber On minimum minnesota at home. Interestingly they seem to not be able to start the passing game a tool so when they're away from home day only concede on average about two hundred twenty yards passing per game at home. Three hundred yards per game so whenever it is about them playing at home means they struggled the pause and i think teddy bridgewater very much likely to return this week. Anderson's gonna have a very good time. So i think he's going to go over seventy two and a half yards. Nice like and ula aside on not like the over in this game a lot beginning teddy back. They were both. We're both in lockstep on that right. We like we like the over one hundred percent. I think whenever the game seems to be played in minnesota the always seems to be lots of points and cousins is incredible by the way at home in minnesota. If you look at some of his stocks. I think he's the best fourth quarter quarterback in the league. Home kirk cousins for you. I love that stuff. I'll get you a t-shirt. Maybe even a mug that says cousins speed incredible in the fourth quarter. Really come back to the still lose but he seems to three touchdowns nonetheless even look good cook even if the rest of. It doesn't my second. Sally does come against the bengals. Evan ingram is going to have a big game against cincinnati. I think john's gonna have a lot of the bull. Other thing ron finish gonna get much going on the offensive side and over thirty seven and a half yards. I think evan engram will be quite easy yanni fifteen yards in week ten against the eagles products that had over forty receiving yards his previous three games. I didn't see why it's going to be. Why anything different would happen this week. And the bengals opponents have talked to bad tartans twenty three percents of the time which is the third hawes mark in the league and cincinnati. Like they just can't stop titans and i'm big final. Evan ingraham. I think he's someone who also would benefit from moving out new york realistically so yeah. I spent the jews. Anthony ingram law. Daniel jones will go to him as much. Can and yeah. I expect him to easily go over the fifty seven and a half mark in the last one is a big number and i'm a little bit. I'm a little bit more apprehensive about this one but nonetheless still just think i'm such a big fan of him yet. You had a good conversation with him. Which i witnessed in miami for the super bowl. Which is darren waller. Such a great guy wasn't amazing story. If you don't know about it go check it out. I think he's going to get over. Fifty seven and a half yards. The falcons concede on average sixty two yards to tie tend to game. And this isn't just any time. And is darren waller. He talked to the time by dr call when he throws the bull which is a lot and oversee. I think a lot of people are expecting. Shootout between the falcons and the raiders. So i spent derek cosby throwing the ball a lot. The number is high as well as received more than fifty seven yards three times this season but going down the stretch playoffs on the lawn. Derek calls going to throw his best players. And darren waller is certainly one of those so i can go over. Fifty seven hundred zero outs love at proposition. Neely at like All three of those. Incidentally you've obviously doing your homework and listening to the shows that you don't actually produce i in the week because that's always a given but mentioned darren waller at the walls you know. Mike and i spent a long time on the show yesterday which we dropped. Friday morning talking about plays on the hall of fame semifinal less that i've interviewed that's already passed fascinate of your time. Go check that out including the legendary tiger woods golf with rondo bobber suggesting that what we should do during the hall of fame discussion sitting around. Who should make the that should be put forward as evidence for why they should be in i so that ramallah touched us but also you must be listened to the whole episode is comedian. David whitney on the show as well. Big giants fan was discussing. How plays just always get better and we were making capacity. It's a bit like a west ham fans out that will sympathize with this. Why two things ready with this. Why when play is most of the time comes to west time. They suddenly ceased to be good although looking up now but that's historically seems to be the case and secondary why plays will always school against west ham when they haven't if if somebody if you hear his estate which is so and so hasn't scored in fourteen games. They'll school guaranteed to school against west. Abitur find the nfl equivalent of that which team which team is is one that will brake pads streaks. Probably jets maybe the jets. The jockey was this season could easy. How we'll get on. The second are accurate. But i think it's time for your long shot now. So i guess what a look at what conscious show maybe something. We can develop throughout the course of the season with a few dogs together. I think as obviously a team getting the one that stands out for me is carolina. The game three against minnesota. We said we liked that game anyway. Offer for the over at certainly with the plus plus three. I like the money. Line is worth the role of the dice as well. Lots of reasons for this. They were strong optimistic as detroit timeout out without teddy defensive of in particular shutting out not staffer for the first time in his career. That's not to be underestimated this. Viking side lost to dallas in extraordinary radio run. came to an end against Against the cowboys who as was evidenced again lost art thanksgiving a mediocre side. So i think this is a really intriguing. Does a threes is definitely interesting. And you'll get i reckon neurotic about just over that the money line even even better that i'd take a look at it like carolina. Yeah no. I do really like that pick. Now i think looking at the way. Minnesota imploded defensively against dallas. And seeing how easy it is actually two stunt dollars defensively as we saw against washington last night i think that carolina should relatively easy to put points on this minnesota defense and i think the way that teddy bridgewater can manage game i think utilizing dj mole utilizing beyond it. Since i've already said in the podcast and also mark davis. I know everyone talks about no christian mccaffrey. Mike davis has been incredibly productive in both the receiving game and rushing game. I really liked that pick. I think the minnesota are incredibly inconsistent teams. So i think we might see the only my only issue with that. My only fair with that is the idea that you can get completely different minnesota team. We can weeks. You don't know which one's going to up and oversee dalvin cook incredible player so he could easily just run over this team but in terms of there being value i see there being a loss of value in this carolina panther team one of the sneaker dementia. Titans here is Is taking the money line would be would definitely represented a long shot. But i still. I still like that suddenly like arizona. Only giving up one against new england. This is a defense that new england's that is ranked thirty second on defensive connah's shoulders hurt which is is obviously concerned and to bear in mind. But i was surprised at that. They're not happy favorites. Hit now you've smile at a smug so what what what was disagree with his disagree with you. But what does that remind you of trap games. Yeah just me. Miami lost we. There's no reason for the patriots coming off a loss against the houston texans to be effectively a pick him against the arizona cardinals who have beaten the seahawks already. This season and call amari has been putting in. Mvp cal performances is. It called a shoulder the worried about it. She asked why it's that think he'll be less mobile. It's going to take they're good. They're going to take less risks in terms of design runs for him. And maybe that's what it is. But i don't know i still i still. I still like a like carrozza. But i'm not certain as i am about edge rush of the week money line treble three teams on the money. Line put them together. Currently seven to four on the bet. Fred site so that sounds interesting. Oh we're going with the saints to win seattle to win and cleveland's away. Yes we are. let's start with. Cleveland are taking a trip jacksonville and the browns for the first time opportunity to throw the ball. Because it's going to be nice weather in jacksonville instead of them. Playing in cleveland sleep. I so i think yes do your baker and he got glennon. The return glennon. That slightly worries me. I thought it took us out of the trouble we're going to. I'm going to stay with the way. So you'll schedule glennon obscure scattered the mike glennon bounce. That's what i'm saying. Well it kind of got much worse with with respect to subject. I mean boy. I was tough. It was tough. I don't talk about rose situation. Runtime writes amazing. Quarterbacks just get power into a difficult situation you never hear from them again. Which kind of kind of. Mike gladys history in a way okay. So cleveland. i in baker. We trust a like that. Seattle seattle is an interesting one. Because there's been a lot of money coming in philadelphia on the lawn is actually moved around. It started at three and then moved out to five so three oversee seem to be a ridiculous amount of value. that seattle's loads of money Was put on that. Then as soon as they moved out to five a lot of people paying value on this philadelphia's defense and the way that it's gone of recovered from the injury problems they had so now the has moved out about far people being coming in on philadelphia. So why are you so convinced. It's gonna win this one because they are demonstrably a supply. I think that defense much maligned. Defence is starting to get some cost rush going as well i. This is a bad philadelphia. Side i mean lik rocket science to any team in the nfc east you would qualify as bad They have is not even a fair fight. I think on the coaching side while a copy. You look at breakdown all the different components of the team. It's fucked up. Take for seattle everywhere except even even even that weekly secondaries not even that cut so yes the apple all the way for me. I feel very similarly about new orleans. Who is the threat. Pau treble new. Orleans have given up one touchdown in the past three games. Yup the only reason denver beat miami was because of the fact they could run the bull so successfully new orleans is the number one ranked defense against the run in the nfl. Not means that drew lock is going to be coming on. Dr stupid amounts of pressure and when that happens tend to always fade denver. That means he's going to be forced to throw. The pool can be forced into making mistakes. I don't think he's gonna be dancing. His way around. The denver failed sadly this week. I think that this could be an app on a shutout from the new orleans. Defense against this team on the even that bothered by. Tatum does the other side of the boat. I think he needs to put up fourteen points. When this guy we'll take some hill was pretty pretty competent. And it'd be saying. Well you know i mean for for free stab. You didn't know turn of. He's got another week another week. Getting used to this is a hundred percent with you on this new orleans all the way and it big into the for drew lock in godwit. They come back and jigs again two weeks in a row. That's give me trouble. Yeah we could even going to double down on this now on denver narrative and say as you do quite like a lock over one and a half into sections at six to four as well. I mean this could honestly be. I dunno Actually haunt my dreams. If denver i cover the spread against new orleans even win this game or if drew lock goes for three hundred. Plus yards throws with three touchdowns with zero sections. I would have to hang my. Hat's up next week for sure. My anti-death inver narrative. But i'm not sure just yet as you know not. I love to love to buy low sell high right now. Denver a win against miami. I think people are at. You're gonna value them hide. They should be so. I'm new orleans. This i promise you one thing. Christmas is coming soon. I'll i am buying your jersey if if denver mess up Which they messed up if they mess up our acker the week drew lock jazzy. Coming your way at christmas anyway. Yeah fair enough. I mean. I started thinking i could wear it i think again that would just be damaging to my psyche but yeah i concert happening. Please don't do this again ten. I can't sit there and watch a denver broncos team struggle to another victory like i did last sunday got. That was painful. What do you think of all go back to that jacksonville. Cleveland gave David whitney and i came up with an idea of it with mike. Glennon infant jacksonville. This week jacksonville. The rest of the season or until god dementia again just starting mediocre go back from the last ten years. Nfl are played. Gaby gets the start. Christian ponder a. She thinks that's a great show. I think jacksonville. Because they're going to end up with hopefully in their in their minds. Trevor lawrence anyway will justin fields. So i think you might as well have like a like a carousel or like a show piece. Is that all of the core banks. Reread is never going to star game again in the league. Just gonna rates ons. We'll quote one more quarter h and then you see why they can do that reality show. Let's find wherever matt castle is right. Now let's find him and he has a week to get ready. Here's a winter offensive. Go next sunday. I i would watch that your as far as going back. Brilliant book paper lion even just talking journalists to play quarterback from jacksonville. Jaguars by time is now. Is what you. What about you at receiver and call center callback. I think by quarterback days. I think we've established that's not my position. But he played you be on guitar and tight end but you could unreconstructed old school blocking. I enter you more of the direct opposite. I wanted to see what hard grafton definitely not you just about the flashy catches about top it as opposite kicker as well yet. Yeah i've seen tape of my thinking about. Let's yards not yards by by his own film. Straight lasts about ski big big kid. If i remember rightly data difficult kicking your kickings not bad. But i'm afraid is on monkey. What i showed you to believe that kick you just shake your head. Let's let's not beat around the bush there. Well our played. There's probably over. But i do like the idea anyway. And that is a nice way to wrap up another edge rush. Hope you've enjoyed that. Remember of course If you do get a boat to eighteen plus please gobble responsibly. Gambler weather org is the website you need to check out and the olds that. 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Hour 1: White guys can't run?

The Stephen A. Smith Show

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Hour 1: White guys can't run?

"The Max Kellerman the PODCAST. Reach me at eighty eight SAY ESPN Eight seven to nine, three, seven, seven, six. The Max Kellerman show is presented by progressive. Insurance. All guests join me. On the Shell Pennzoil performance line part of Max, Kellerman nation on the Dr. Pepper call in line eight, say ESPN ESPN nation is presented by Dr Pepper. It's official college football's back, and so is your favorite Dr Pepper. Loving? College football. Town. Fans Ville. Head to a store near you to treat your inner college football. Fan To an ice cold twenty ounce Dr Pepper. Today. But I it's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Daniel Jones. You understand that was going to be one of the most spectacular please in the history of giants football. A quarterback run like that for the giants. Game at quarterback, make run like that for the giants. Rise I was about to be one of the great plays in the history of. Football and. Out it was even better yes, it was better. Was it worse than bumble. No You ever notice how when you see the bloopers of the guys running just falling down it's white dude's. Never noticed that took. Say Nothing. But I, have a Yoda by the way I think there is something to that you want to know what I think it is. I think that the stereotype is that white guys can't run fast. And people are aware of this stereotype people like it's out there. It's not like you can ignore it. It's in your unconscious even if it's not in your conscious, right? Some news just may not care like Christian McCaffrey doesn't seem to get care player stereotype he's out. But I do think it's out there and I think sometimes in the open field like that. It may get to a player unconsciously like I have to do a little more. No, we didn't. Jones's keep Daniel Jones's fast but it looked like about ten or fifteen yards before he tripped. He thought he had to turn on some extra afterburners. He didn't. He was going to score and then when he like he lost control. Stereotypes see. Their destructive things Raj. Look at this he's out. We're watching right now on ESPN news. Our simulcast and then right around the twenty five, the twenty, eight, maybe the giants twenty eight it looks like you can even see like he's running these in stride just running fast. He's very fast. Is probably the second best quarterback behind Lamar Jackson right and then right around the thirty two, twenty, eight heave looks like he feels like I gotta do a little bit more. And fell. Daniel. Jones I feel like. A few like Felix Unger in the couple Oscar Oscar Daniel Daniel Daniel. At least he didn't cost the ball up. Right like a fumbling problem at least he just tripped and they and they scored a touchdown on that drive. By the way, there's their shots. Of the giants on the sideline cracking up. Giants players cracking up, but you'd like you've seen the stats by now I'm sure. Of the fastest of the top speeds that a quarterback has attained this year other than Lamar Jackson who's just the fastest quarterback ever right. Most of the top speeds by Daniel Jones. He's really fast. He does not need to do extra the only extra thing he needs to do. Is hold onto that football. HOLD ONTO THAT FOOTBALL DANIEL Max Max. Look. I know you laws and I know you feeling down your giants lost another game but you're not looking at the price I hit it Chris. Era. You're moving nothing to drive now. Believe. He close. Close to Trevor Lawrence, you are moving on up in the World Max, you. Decide you're moving up walking around like hold you guys. I'm walking around like choice Jefferson walking around like George Jefferson right now by chest out. Match your giant snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Last night you're moving on you'RE GONNA. Be All come draft time. I don't know the jets. The jets are going to ruin Trevor Lawrence instead of the giants. One of these New York teams going to trevor. Once by the way I'm going to get to it later in the show. But what is going on in New York sports? It is how do we become a laughingstock? Only the Yankees are holding it down and even they. Well I'll get to that later. Oh Actually WanNa talk about Carson Wentz. Had A little Carbonated water before the show excuse me Raj. That's better. Can't perp on year then then because Howard stern already cornered the market on that but you know. Let me tell you something we started I take. Today by asking me. What do I think of Carson Wentz and my impressed this morning and you know what I say You know what I'm saying to say. Yes. No I said the truth which is I felt exactly this morning and I feel right now the way I felt about Carson Wentz over the last going on a year now. Whatever it is eight ten months. could add a BB in the tie. The last time Carson Wentz impressed me someone could have carried the full term. It's been a long time since Carson Wentz was actually good. So. I just want to say I don't question toughness and he's tough as nails. I was in La for that game the coliseum when he played four plays with a destroyed leg, basically, you know you're supposed be in the hospital and he at least two completions he's tough as nails and he wants to be great maybe a little too much. Or. Maybe he doesn't have enough discipline to be great. But I thought he was the MVP of the League a couple of years ago through fourteen or fifteen weeks then he got hurt, Nick foles won the Super Bowl. Then the following year they were going nowhere with Carson Wentz as a five hundred team with Carson. wentz out of the playoff picture nick foles took over the team caught fire. And they WANNA play off game at soldier field. A lot of people were taking the bears to come out of the NFC. Nick Foles beat the bears at soldier field very nearly beat the saints at New Orleans seaver dropped the ball. Didn't turn around anyway the point is. It's been awhile for Carson Wentz but as I said, I, take today unlike Baker Mayfield where it's like the worst thing you can say about a guys, I don't really care that much anymore. I don't care that much any more about Baker because when he said, I know I could be better a lot better He could be better I don't know about a lot better I. don't I don't think that Baker Mayfield has upper end elite kind of talent potential. But I think Carson Wentz does that's why I'm hard on them. Do. I, hate him and the eagles because I'm a giants fan. Well, of course, they are my sports enemies. Along with Dave Roberts and a whole bunch of other people I could mention how dare he steal that base against the Yankees and floor? However. Carson Wentz I acknowledged like. The reality, he's extremely talented. The throat to Boston Scott was totally elite. He makes one of those throws a game. He's good for one woes that Patrick Mahomes a game. He has three or four other good good plays a game. The rest are bad decisions and bad execution yesterday was more if Evan Ingraham holds onto the ball eagles lose, but it's more than that. Listen to this first quarter I took notes on the game I wanted to match up some video on first taking place Lobski Zombie wasn't today. First Quarter Eagles are already up seven nothing right it's third and nine from their own twelve. Once gets phenomenal protection. And then holds the ball forever he holds the ball ready for this. For seven seconds. Does he throw it away. Think wants threw away now. He takes a sack inside the five yard line. That can't happen. And this is followed up by a lousy put the giant start their drive on the eagles thirty nine. One play later, thirty nine yard touchdown for Golden State Games tied. That is a direct result of Carson Wentz, his mistake. Now, unlike him leading the League and turnovers, those are stats you can point to unlike Carson wentz being outplayed, according to quarterback rating. It's a clumsy metric, but it's a metric gives you a kind of decent framework. He's been played by the other teams quarterbacks because it's not always just the starter he's playing against in every single game this season think about that. This is a terrible one. Win Giants team. Unlike him leading the League in turnovers and being outplayed by every quarterback according to quarterback rating or every team according to quarterback rating this year. It's the type of play that I just outlined. By Carson Wentz data, it's like a backbreaker. That doesn't show up in the box score. Like as bad as his stats are like that in terms of turnovers in Eagles territory by the way. What does it now in seven games? As bad. As those stats are they're not even as bad as the reality. It's situational football. He's struggling and let me go back to my notes. and to the first quarter. Okay. So what I just said was bad enough tie game right against the giants not like David great offense. Offensive Line. Andrew Thomas might wind up being good. Tackle is really a skills position. It takes guys a while to learn it and he ain't there yet he's a rookie he's getting abused targeted and abused. So they don't have passed protection, they don't have run blocking. They don't have saquon Barkley. They don't have Odell Beckham. They don't have dynamic playmakers Evan Ingram can't catch. And the first quarter first and ten from the giants thirty once again holds ball he refuses to get rid of it. In the grasp and he takes an intentional grounding penalty. So he loses. Yards altogether on the play. Why. Why does he do it? He doesn't need to be a hero every play. Then right. After the mill's interception whence ones backwards over twenty yards. then. He remember this he he's a chump Paul for some reason across his body. And nearly the entire field why? What is he doing? It's inexplicable. Case same drive for this was the same drive. He rolls left to his left and throws another like bizarre red zone interception. And the reason I say bizarre is because it had no when he made the To make the attempt had no chance at a positive outcome. Why did you do it? The shovel pass into the receivers back. Why being sacked. Multiple. EMPTY TRIPS inside the red zone like I could go on was that an impressive performance. Understand. It's the one in six giants. And even then with all the breaks the eagles. Caught. Is Ingraham holds onto the ball the game's over anyway. No I I don't feel any differently about. Once this morning same is always he has elite talent. He's good for one great mahomes level throw a game. He's good for three or four other good plays and then nothing but questionable decision making and poor. Execution Eighty eight say espn that was straight talk wireless. The Eagles which I do that I'm telling you this because I expect a lot from whence is a pack quarterback. He's an average starting NFL quarterback when he should be elite. Anyway everything for less straight talk wireless only at Walmart Daniel, cormet former USC champ. Joins me now on the Shell Pennzoil performance line and Roger I just wanted to tell you something. Daniel Raj my producer rights, US former USC chip that's damning him with Faint Praise Raj Daniel. Cormier. Is One of the greats he's one of the all time greats right or wrong Daniel? I WANNA the all time greats parts for that. On Raj don't do me like that. He did you like that former former. What's that like? That's like? A, Mariano Rivera former relief pitcher for the Yankees. Raj. Yup Our. Our. Max. Former Olympian like former Olympian. Owens former Olympian. Daniel cormier listen. I. I want to start by asking you about details because that way I get out of the way the plug. You plug with everyone and then I want to get into the fight to do it that way. Okay. I don't know if you've ever seen Annie Hall but Woody Allen says the Diane Keaton when they're walking on because let's kiss now we get it out of the way and that way we can digest our food better right. So. Let's just get that out of the way now not that I don't. WanNa hear about it I do but I really WanNa talk to you about the big fights. Let's tell me about details. Yeah well, I do detail on ESPN to us and I go when I break down the fights and the fighters as you seem Kobe and everybody doing the NBA. No this week idea Justin Casey because as he gets ready for this big moment, I wanted to of shine the light on him and some of his great performances and math when you talk about a guy that is. Dangerous as dangerous can be in a guy that has ultimate beliefs. You talking about just engaging he is afraid he is not overwhelmed and. His. Performances as I watched him as I did the detail I was even more. Impressed and NFC as a teammate of hobby. More concern as to the type of. Problems that this man May. Provide the champion look styles make fights in the UFC and boxing styles fights and just because. Gauge she loses deport. Might be who could etc. it doesn't mean it's not by SYLLOGISM ABC and therefore cvt it doesn't work that way gateway to me does present the challenge and let me tell you why you tell me if I'm right or wrong and explain it to me a little bit. Here's here's the analogy I'll use if you host a show on TV. Okay. There is no difficult part of that. Every single part of hosting is easy it straightforward right? If you've worked with really great hosts and I have Bob Costas Jim Lampley Brian Kenny I've worked with very smooth host who who can do a live event listen answer set up commercials teases ask questions interview set up the analysts it's the orchestration. It's those inbetween spots where you're using different parts of your brain and the integration of all those things that makes a great TV host let's say okay. When I watched Gaijin he's a wrestler really that's his background but his striking is devastating and he can negotiate those inbetween distances like when you're going from striking to wrestling, he has good mastery of that and it makes them very difficult explained to me if I made any sense at all, then I don't hold myself out as an expert. No you did right because when you watch a just. Match, the problem with. Trying to corner him and figure out a plan of approach in that he never where you're supposed to be. So when he fought the person one, twelve, hundred, zero will scavenge the fight beep he dominated him because he was never worried was he managed all those empty spaces right? There are moments in the fights where you either get lost or you kinda live and and and thrive in those moments injustice gates you does that he always says that he creates chaos because he he excels in it but with Hubby. Create chaos. Yes. They're making the fight not feel too similar in the. We'll have. That means that he's taking people down dominating you. He's you up on the groom but if it's unfamiliar if it's ugly, it's dirty that means that Justin is spending a lot of time on his feet. He's cutting attendance angles being allusive innovative a vase of and they can compete is uncomfortable you make absolute sense it's Glancing over what you mastering? Yes. It's the final game is the fight is the fight game right? I love your show the name of the show but the game. The fight, the the is is. It what it is like. When you guy like to that can use that wrestling is reversed by chuckling dealt with the one that I. Russell in reverse and Jeff you say wrestled in reverse you mean, did you mean do you mean because this? He told us on I take the other day. Do you mean that he uses his wrestling to keep the fight standing up? Is that what you mean by recipes in reverse absolut Absolutely, Max. Because he wants to take down, right it's stalls all gay she sprawls he makes you pay when you take shots in and he gives back to where he wants to fight spending the vast majority of this white on the feet. That you don't he holding their banners it that's said about gay chief who has real good punching power I read up I. Think it was like Wikipedia his father was a was an amateur boxer in the military I think and. And I mean my uncle boxed in the military I don't know. Didn't mean anything but for some reason for just engaging, he has tremendous power. At, any rate So he has things going for including the wrestling and he's upset the odds before against Ferguson for example. But the thing when I look at Habib and a lot of people gave me a lot of stuff for saying this I think he has a chance to be the best ever and I, mean pound for pound and this is why I know he hasn't fought enough guys on the resume the way like a Anderson Silver or John Jones. Has But. I been watching US seasons UFC wants since before Zubaydah Daniel and early on it was pretty clear be jj wrestling. If that was your foundation like you were, you could build on that right than the American wrestlers who can stay out of submission hold and start striking and ground and pound and all that. Habib. whose basis is obviously on the ground is so physically strong note, a certain point techniques technique and everyone has it has masterful technique, but he's so physically strong. And he's in his prime right now since that's what the basis of his game is, I. Feel like it gives them an advantage. It's like it's like if you know the thing he has naturally plays into the thing he's learned wrestling perfectly. Yes they go hand in hand you know I grabbed in in the gym before Max and I was like, I'm GonNa heavyweight to five from or so every time the little guys up on me I kinda just decide him to get away and then just kind of pushes roll-off. Well, one time I'm doing this to be right and I'm like oh my. Get, up. Get up and I went to get up and realized I wasn't moving I have to going on all my goodness. Some real effort to get away knows fifty five pound and no lightly should feel that's going to have such a strong understanding parliament late in the new for his opponents, you saw it in the McGregor fight and. Was Brave Right Kinda thought you went on to shoot he caught his because he was outmatched emporia probably we could and he was just outmatched because the moment. You can bring in Dies Matt's right. So this is what we do. We try to replicate going to see in the fight. In Boston bring a guy of course you're gonNA find a guy like floyd mayweather you bring it down and tries to fight like me with. Until you get in there with mayweather. You don't understand what you're up against hardest guys to prepare for hardest guys to prepare for the super naturally talented guys because you can't imitate him and scoring had. You can't image match you can. So they're bringing all these russells right and these rushing try and take them down. But then the moment he grabbed them, it's like, wow, I was getting taken down by these masterful wrestlers but this guy just feels different and you really can't put your finger on it in the despite what it is that makes them. So different in a lot of it is physical strength and missile all capacity Daniel as usual on heavy on the segment as they say in the business. So real quick. Obviously Habib is the favorite pick. Watching it because I'm calling the fight match by the way that's the right answer the. That's the right answer to people in a most people in the world fighters will not be able to pick bike anymore saved. And not only that but to avoid the appearance of favoritism whether or not it exists. If you're calling the fight, you should not make a prediction I agree the Great Daniel. Cormier Ladies and gentlemen one of the all time greats unlike Raj says former UFC fighter he's one of the all time greats Raj. Max Kellerman Sheffield podcasts. The backs Kellerman show on ESPN radio, ESPN news the ESPN and Siriusxm Channel Eighty, and on your smart speaker, reach me at eight say espn that's eight, hundred, seven to nine, three, seven, seven, six, the Max Kellerman show is presented by progressive insurance. Also brought to you by Shell Pennzoil. Synthetic Motor oils are made from natural gas. It gives you unbeatable engine protection. The proof is in the pennzoil based on sequence for a wear test using s a. e Five W. Thirty. seahawks. quarterback. Russell Wilson. Says in Tony O'Brien, is taking the right steps for his return. Russell Wilson answer reporters, questions about a be day after ESPN's Adam schefter reported that the seahawks are positioned to make a push to sign Antonio Brown with his suspension eligible to end. After we ate Russell Wilson had previously lobbied for his team to sign Antonio Brown. Well, let's listen to what Russell Wilson Acids Day and then I'll make some comments. Go Ahead Watch. The reality is within Tony. He's he's had some tough moments in his life. You know especially as of late and I think that he's gone through a lot of things that you wish you could take back and do and just say or whatever it may be but I think that he's a you know a special player for sure I. I don't know what's to happen with him or not I don't know if they're you know it's how serious it is us get him or not, but I do know that and obviously you can play some football. History of the NFL in terms of the numbers in my lifetime, there was Jerry Rice who remains the greatest of all time. By the way people forget. Now because Tom Brady, one six super bowls but there was there were decades decades where everyone would say there's never really been a goat in the NFL. Right? The NFL has never really had a greatest because the you know it's broken down positions and the nature of the sport is no one can dominate it. The way someone can in the NBA let's say. Some people said what about Johnny? United were Jim Brown but the occurred before the really the modern game maybe Jim Brown a little less so but. For decades the best answer most people gave was Jerry Rice. You know some people will say, who's the greatest overall football player you ever saw and I would say, Lawrence Taylor someone might tell you Walter Payton. But Jerry Rice was the guy had the long of all the great receiver had the longest career and also the highest peak and maintained it for the longest and one? The most super bowls he was just crazy. In. A class himself. Randy Moss came along. And in my view underachieved. He's the second greatest of all time, right? Had had seasons with like twenty, three touchdown catches insane. Antonio Brown was. Like the next guy to come along to put up consistently eyepopping numbers like that not quite reggie. Jerry Rice or Randy. Moss. But Antonio Brown had five different years that could fit comfortably into those guys career and you would look that looks like Randy Moss or Jerry rice year he seemed to be in the middle of that when he totally So assuming he's physically okay. What quarterback wouldn't wanNA throw them. People have brought it up a lot. Stephen made an issue of it. Ryan Clark referenced it today. Someone else did. Tom Brady. Thing about the things ABC's been accused of Tom. Brady was like, yeah. Come live with me. Really wanted Ab as a receiver last year. One of the best. Whoever did it? Of course? There's interest in him and by the way does he deserve another chance if he serves his suspension and he's not found guilty of charges brought against him sure. Do. But that's different than saying like, do I think you'll help a team while he's on the field I, think, will help any team ever while he's on the field. I don't think there's a team he wouldn't have helped ever created while he's on the field. I just don't think you'll stay on the field very long. I think he'll as he gains leverage and feels more powerful. Than the behavioral will start to spill out again and he'll get himself. You know he'll isolate himself again he'll lose his job again I. Hope I'm wrong. Eight hundred eighty eight say espn what a state New York sports are in right now. I'm so depressed about it like. The mets are a joke. The jets are joking, pull those franchises usually are you know? Those are the clown franchises and a major metropolis like. Every sport has two franchises at least usually. Giants jets Heritage Franchise Clown Franchise Yankees, and mets. Franchise clown. Nixon Nets. Well that's that's changed a little hasn't because for years the knicks were running unopposed they were the heritage franchise and the clown franchise. Now. The Nets are in town there in Brooklyn? They're not the heritage franchise. But the Knicks are certainly the clown franchises the nets have high hopes. The Nets are the team to root for if you live in New York now. Knicks can't get away with just putting any old garbage product as they normally do on the on the court and and just figured well, we have a captive audience like if you live in new. York who else is GonNa root for that's her in Jersey that's in. Brooklyn brother. Meantime the the giants jets are both pathetic. They made a bad hire with cattleman obviously. The here's the giants problem. The jets are usually a laughing stock. Here's the giants problem. The mighty giants, My beloved New York football giants, they are reflexively conservative. It's fine in football you've conservative mental. Tomlin was hired by the steelers run the ball, stopped the run. I don't care how much things have changed like bill parcells. I know my way is proven this fancy stuff Bill Walsh is trying out in San. Francisco worked even better than the giant stuff but that's fine. I'm not saying it can't be done the old school way. But the giants or reflexively. Conservative. They get they a guy gives them the feeling of. This guy's right gives us that sense of the old timey and they think that's the way to what a gentleman ever do to make them. Think he was the guy. And I know I got to go to break. I'll just end by saying this. The Yankees are the ones keeping it, holding it down for New York. City. And the problem is. CASHMAN, for too many years was too scared. Didn't have the nerve to pull the trigger because it was too expensive both in terms of what the money would be and what it would cost in prospects to bring in a real ace like Justin Ver- land or Garrett. Cole. Originally. And, the Yankees paid the price you only have so many bites at the apple and they squandered they had three teams probably so far before this year that might have won a world series where in recent years where he said, no, let's not make the move for the ace. and. So they didn't win the world series had they had ver- lander Cole I'm telling you right now they'd probably want at least one maybe two of the last three world series. And then this year they signed Cole and he pitched really well, it just didn't work out because it's not gonna work out every year. The Max Kellerman show the podcast. Right down to it we got you covered. Let me tell you what no doubt. Max I like this on Fridays, you know we mix it up. You only got two things to say, but we're going gambling. Check it out. Let's start with a heavyweight bout. Stopped AMC's the teams of five hundred steelers take on the fight and titans titans favored by one. Basically, it's a, it's a pick em Max. The titans should be favored to win this game. No doubt what you like it is by the slimmest of margins I think the steelers have a great defense. The titans have an uneven defense. Looks Great. One Week Against Buffalo looks bad another week against Houston but. The steelers have a special defense. Normally I? Go with that team. Here's why like the titans the I love fastball pitcher against fastball hitter. Unless it's gossip pitching to George. Brett. That traumatize me a little bit but. Country Hardball we got a running back. Yeah. We gotta run defense. So now it's up to the quarterback to beat them I think ten hill can do it. Ten Hill I believe is a top ten NFL quarterback and I like them to beat the steelers and a great game. All, right okay. Let's move it on. Let's moving onto three and three forty niners last year as NFC representatives for super bowl take on the two and three packs. So Cam and bill to get to see the one that got away Jimmy G. Hats are two point fades is that right? NO DOUBT No doubt. I don't see look. Here's what's on the line in this game. Is it Belichick Brady what was it more? That's one of the great anyone who thinks that Belgium brady weren't thinking. The same thing is out of their minds. You think you've got to be the greatest of all time without a huge ego. Just. 'cause they work hard and pay attention to detail you that doesn't mean they have egos of course they do. And fixed it so that Bella chicks cabinet will be there when he left, he had Jimmy G. Succession Plan dealt Outta town. So then Brady puts himself in a lovely spot right the bucks are really good defense sending team offense of weapons everywhere. They'd have been at least nine and seven with a quarterback who just didn't turn the ball over a lot like Jameis Winston. and. If you give them a premium over that, there's ten wins and maybe even get to the NFC championship game who knows And even though I think it's more belichick and he has Cam Newton. But if he goes to two and four on the season I'm not trying here excuses because there were no excuses when Brady was your quarterback and Canada's good. So. So I say, no doubt PAT should be favored. I liked them to win. Okay rapid fire on thirty seconds about all right five seahawks take on a four and two cards on Sunday night football Seattle three and a half point as but the other question is, will they remain undefeated? No doubt. No. Doubt. Look Divisional Games are tough. The Arizona Cardinals have shown you. They can beat you even without their game they have talent. But the GAD turn into a shootout. Casey join just say that favors the lesser team nowadays unless that Lesser Team Seattle seahawks they win the shootouts too. I like Russell Wilson to get it done. Real, quick. The bears five one bears are at the ranch but get this. The Rams are six point phase vegas it Max. No doubt I'm taking the stairs in an outright upset just like I took them against the Bucks I. Think the bears have an underperforming defense capable of elite. I think they have a quarterback who comes through in the clutch I think they're very dangerous this year you impressed by Wentz I'll tell you if I was coming up.

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For the thirty four th year champ week continues tonight with the Little Caesars horizon league championship game. That's at seven eastern. Then it's the WCC championship game at nine. It's all a valuable on ESPN and the ESPN app. So you could watch from absolutely anywhere with that. We welcome you to another hour of get up. We're jam packed warning with Jalen here. Mike Woodson is you're talking basketball and the Dan Orlovsky and drowsy on with the very latest on NFL free agency legal tampering. This stuff. Moves quick. We come to you as always live from the seaport district appear seventeen brought to you by chase. And here is our number two. We'll begin with Russell Westbrook. Eight truly ugly confrontation with a fan in Utah. How does the NBA keep this from happening again, that's a minute away on the court? Meanwhile, the warriors suddenly don't seem so golden we'll tell you exactly what's wrong, and what they must do to get it right in time to win it all plus where will Levy on. We've got the destinations that make the most sense. And why? Fact that hasn't happened yet. Feels like bad news. Let's get up with us. Starting right now. It begins unfortunately in Salt Lake City last night. We're Russell Westbrook in the thunder. We're in town to play the jazz before we show, you what happened we should take you back for context. Eleven months last April game six of a playoff series. This was halftime brought the Westbrook walking off the court gets into it with a fan alert security has got a problem there that was halftime same game after it was over. You may remember this. He smacks of phone at that guy's hand. So we've got shoes in the same building. They we take you back to last night. It's the second quarter Westbrook is on the bench gets into it with a fan. It was captured on videotape. Here was the moment. In the end Westbrook. The thunder would win. But that clearly isn't the story here. He was Russell after the game. Started. Young man whose wife in the stands told me to get on Mondays like to for me completely disrespectful to me. Racial. I think it's just inappropriate innocence. There's no pretension for the players. A finger a great fans and run awarded likes to come to the game. Enjoy the game. There are people that come to the game to say me disrespecting about me family committee years doing all the right thing. So I've never done anything to hurt or harm. Anybody on never been in trouble. Whenever for the fan been let me years closely. This would not be taken from me, Mark. I'm completely just sit back some time and just take it like that's one video. But the whole game says it's been here, especially here in Utah compares disrespectful things I said now. For me. I'm just not going to continue to take initiative family. There's got to be something done. There's gonna be some classes for those type of people on the come to the game to say, do whatever they want to say. And I don't think it's fair to the players. Not just to me on think it's fair to the players. And if I had to do it over again, I would say the same exact thing. That was Westbrook. His teammate Patrick. Patterson tweeted fans can say stuff about a man's family wife and kids Hella player. Get down on your knees. Like you're used to as men what to expect us to do. Shut up dribble. No one is held accountable for their actions except for us fans are protected in every way possible, but not us. He spectator in question was interviewed after the game. Here's what he said. Got to be a professional. I mean, she was sitting down the entire time in him or just who's actually kind of having fun to be honest. We should you were having. He was smiling at one point. And there I mean, there was a lot of people because it was when Joe it come by and poked, Paul George, and I and then Jogos over and apologizes immediately Russ's just f-bomb and carrying on acting a fool down here in everybody's getting on him. They had yet. I guess heat. I thought it was is. I just told him to sit out a nicer knees, bro. New turned me. And he's like heap that team I'm like, well, you're going to need it. And then it turned into. Not safe for work. There's that the jazz released this statement, we are continuing to investigate the unfortunate exchange. Tonight's game between Russell Westbrook and fans. Multiple warning cards are issued by arena security players and fans have shared responsibility to create a safe and respectful environment. It is determined that any fans violated the NBA code of conduct appropriate action will be taken so Jalen rose. I'm going to start with you, obviously the biggest concern for the league for everyone involved is that we should ever have another incident like the one we saw with malice at the palace and Ron our test and all of that generation ago. So with that thought in mind, what do you think the NBA or anyone else needs to do to see to it that nothing like this happens? Don't wanna see the NBA take address action that takes away the unique interaction NBA players have what their fans I think it's the best one in sports helps the popularity of the game has the popularity of the players. That's why if you notice the popularity of NBA players Trump's those other sports with that. Being said, I respect and appreciate what the fans bring to the table. But sometimes the lines get blurred because they feel a sense of ownership this theory that they pay your salary once they buy a ticket. So now they get to the game. You could say whatever you wanna say you could be creative with your chance in your jeers and whatnot when you name calling it becomes personal. That's when players are going to react Michaelson is a player and a coach you've been in the NBA since nineteen eighty so I have to believe you have seen and heard it all what is the appropriate way for a player or coach to react. If they hear something from the crowd that they believe crosses that line. Well, one thing is, you know, the fans big party, but we do as a big piece of the puzzle. So you can't exclude them. So at the end of the day. The player has just got to be a bigger person and move on the can't cross that line, man. Because when you do you got explain yourself at in the game that you sorry about what you did. Understood. But isn't there a point at which a fan? Crosses the line. And at that point, I have to believe that everything isn't fair game. What what should someone like Russell Westbrook? Do if he feels that lies strictly security. I think that's the easy way out you go to security and have them talk to the fan. I'll have them removed from the game. That's the only way you get around. But if think about it, they said that the fans were issued red cards. So that means somebody says something that was clearly out a line that the security new was outta line. And they gave him a red card. So you know, what happens? Everybody say all they didn't get thrown out. So now everybody else like a domino effect continues to chime in because they see this when we talked about this early. Did you ever have anything like this happen to you in the NBA? I mean, something that escalated to a point where it got to be super uncomfortable. I wasn't going to go here. But now I am. So we were playing a playoff game here at the guard and plan for the Pacers. It was Higgs versus Knicks and we had a rival. So I was walking through the tunnel and a fan through atoll in my face. And I tried to jump up there snatched defend down. And if. It was up to me that man will be somewhere with a broken neck. But ultimately, I was able to do that and cooler heads prevailed and easy now. Yeah, I get it. I understand what you're saying. No one wants to see something like that happen. But I think that everyone has a responsibility to make sure that it doesn't happen. And I have spent my entire life in arenas, never where you set or where you said, but always sitting closer or generally where the fan said I've heard a lot of things that crossed the line hitting somebody in the face. Okay. That's my point. And so listen I've ever been is a fan for the most part. So generally, speaking stand up for the fans and almost every conversation, but I've seen it too many times just blanket assume that the fan is in the right? Stances but moving on moving up. After the game. I must say this to after the game. I know Russ said that he wouldn't have said anything different. I think when he looks back at the footage. He's gonna wish he didn't include the wife correct part into that. I really believe that. Okay. We'll leave it here. There's obviously a lot more to be said about this. Let's get up and go though, because there's a million things that happened in the world sports. Jalen, I want to start with the Celtics give one hundred forty points of the clippers last night. What did you see the clippers the ball and this year people thought they were putting on the season when they traded away Tobias Harris got narrates been healthy. Lou Williams score more points than any six of the year salmon been making threes Beverly locking down on the clippers are legit playoff team in the top western com getting up and going next season. I night straight win for the rocket. Boy, they play in great are they once again the warriors biggest threat out west. Absolutely. And I hate to see I told you so 'cause I'm a guy that knows that the words were without Trevor REEs water rockets were without Chris falling in the playoffs last year. I think both of those guys in the lineup. The rockets beat them did. So now, they moved on criminal Anthony, and they rebuilt their team at read at it off the river got back healthy talkers making corner threes horns plan MVP level. I really think that rockets have what it takes along with Oklahoma City thunder to make the Golden State Warriors with this happened last night Rafter center surge of Baca and Cavaliers Ford marquees, Chris both ojected after getting into a physical altercation. Do you expect to see any sort of suspensions coming out of that -solutely Tissa face surge is going to get probably read of five games based on that punch? Right there. Markes Chris probably get one or two games. Obviously you don't encourage violence or fisticuffs in the in the game. But every now and tempers, prevail. Actually, one of the five people watching this game when it happened. And I just think third three they would beat by a team that's going to go to the foot. Well, here Nick foles on his way to the Jags. It's a four year deal. Eight million fifteen million guaranteed. Dan, our last gate is he makes them a playoff team. Absolutely not. They've got an unreliable running back. They better go find some people to throwing the football. Instead of before they've got one guy on their football team. That's got one hundred catches in the NFL. So maybe there's some young talent there, but don't expect the same Nick foles that had L Sean, Jeffrey and algal are Erz in that dominant offense vine and run game in big time defense, so better certainly he helps that offense of line. But this is not a playoff football team right now, Terrell suggs players entire career with the ravens. And now he is going to result. One year seven million dollars hard to imagine him playing anywhere. But Baltimore he had one hundred thirty two and a half career sacks difference maker in Arizona. Dan lobski? Absolutely. They've already got Chan there Jones outside of him. And so you're looking at a defense that really struggled to get home last year. Substit- concil rush the quarterback so situationally third down. Red zones. That's when you're gonna use Terrell suggs. And so you're you're still gonna look at drafting some help outside, but such is still impactful player the team on spending spree is that jets number of big moves, including signing linebacker CJ Moseley, shefty says it's five years. Eighty five million fifty one million guaranteed. They've made a bunch of other moves as well. Dan grazziano? What do you make of the jets bending all this money? Well, as I said earlier GM spending cap spaces if his job depends on it, which it probably does look the jets have a lot to do to build a team around a young quarterback and Sam darnold. It really helps them that they believe in that quarterback long-term makes a lot of other decisions easier, but moved like CJ Moseley's just about throwing money at a kite till he says, yes, obviously, expect him to be a leader on that. And the guy that they appear to still be in on letting on bell despite all the action yesterday, we've not seen deal done four bell who sat out all of last year after not wanting to play for the Steelers on a franchise tag. He's keeping his fans up to date on everything on social media yesterday. Tweeted, I'm so torn right now this seasons. Dan, Olaf ski is to the table here you and I talked about it earlier. He may be saying that is that he's trying to send out the message to everybody. Oh, I've got a million options. Everyone's offering me all the money in the world. But maybe the reality is the opposite of you've had extended period of time to know that this situation was coming. And this is not like thirty two teams. We're going to be in the mix you there's only a certain amount of teams that are going to be able to afford on bell. And so you've had all this time leading up to this moment. How could you be that torn still you had to know four or five teams, and really what was going to be there offer financially or about what it was going to be. And then have it narrowed down. We saw teams we saw guys get signed at twelve oh five fifty five minutes after the legal temping tampering period, opened up the most coveted part of her prize of free agency leave you on bell still doesn't know he still torn this isn't the bachelor like there shouldn't be that many teams in love with you should have an idea of who's going to get the rose when it's all said and done. That'd be fun to do free agency the show like that. Look, I think the jets are still probably a favorite. But I think the fact that he hasn't signed yet indicate and he talked about what he could be torn between that big long-term deal that he's always dreamed of may not be out there or it may not be with a teeny wants to go to. And I guarantee you he's hearing from teams. Hey, would you accept a little shorter term structure with a monster guarantee? Let you walk away after like one year and sixteen million dollars. And if that's the case and the big long term deal is not out there or not with the team. He wants to play for you wonder if that's what he's considering maybe taking a shorter term be. He's just twenty seven. He it's free agency again in a couple of years that might not be the weren't yourself in a trick bag by walking away from the money hold last year. Almost a feeling even if it's sort of subconsciously that you wanna try and justify what you did here because it was such a high profile power move. And if he doesn't want getting a long-term contract, it will look like a mistake to the outside world, regardless. I still believe that there's teams in the NFL that undervalue under appreciate the running back. Still are we all we saw it in the Super Bowl a team that has the highest paid running back in the NFL for some other reasons that we don't necessarily know not use them. So that might there's a bunch of pieces in play here. But for me, how could you not be signed at least down to two or three teams by now, let's get to another deal here because a former giant safety. Landon Collins is going to Washington and did he get paid six years? Eighty four million forty five of at guaranteed, according to ESPN and multiple reports it led Jaguars corner. Jalen Ramsey to tweet the following quote. So a box safety getting corner money now, it's time to keep moving this market ballers get paid and those who may not know what Bach safety is a lot of safety plays down in the box almost like a linebacker. So he's not really very good coverage. It's essentially saying this is a limited player. He does some things. Really, well, but it doesn't do everything. And he got all of that money. Do you believe that Washington overpaid for land, of course? But everybody in free agency gets overpaid everybody. I mean. Nine out of ten guys. Don't get caught up in that. I let me let me talk about. Landon Collins a little bit in these regards. Everyone's talking about his lack of coverage goes, no, he's not great men coverage. I don't need a safety to be great imen- coverage. The NFL nowadays the game is about space. He's a fantastic player in space in an X. Excellent tackler. That's what I need out of my safety right now. So there's there's been a narrative created like just okay? No. He's not a man covered safety. And now it's up to Washington in their coaches to make sure down in zone coverages. That's when you allow him to play down close to the line of scrimmage in run support. And then man the mansions don't ask him to play against Zakar it and don't ask him to play against Evan Ingraham of the New York Giants. So it's up the coaches to make sure that not only putting him in positions to be successful. But don't expose them to things that he's not necessarily great at what does it do for the market here because they're all Thomas is out Earls, the one big piece is still waiting on the safety market because you see Landon Collins. At fourteen fifteen million year, depending how you shake that deal out. You see tire Matthew at fourteen million a year Earl should land somewhere in that zone. So once he moves you'll see the others guys like Adrian ammos from the bears to Shawn Gibson who just got cut from the Jaguars. There are a lot of safety is out there. But Earl is the big one that I think is the one remaining guy who gets that huge deal along these same kind of line. I'm a huge fan of land in college. And I'm delighted to see any player get paid as much money as they possibly can. But that one taught me by surprise. I will tell you that that contract took me by surprise there. Askins again, they'll pay anybody. Maybe that's the part of it should and kept from eleven million. They're they let them go. It turns out and the giants. No one is informed them that the legal tampering period has begun. At least not obviously. So let me get you back to basketball because yesterday at the end of the warriors lost with these sixteen win Phoenix Suns? Steve Kerr reacted to the stuff. He said the night before he was caught venting. If you will about training green on live television. You've seen it. You've heard it. I'm not a lip reader yesterday. He was asked about the moment. And here was his explanation. The big ones. Modern life. Everything's recorded. Everything is filmed I've decided I'm now going to get a giant laminated board with all my play calls, and I'm gonna turn into an NFL from here on. So listen, God bless Steve Kerr in can make anything funny and I weren't here yesterday. So I really have been waiting to ask you this question. What did you make of that whole thing? Did you think what Steve got caught on camera saying is indicative of a larger issue in Golden State? Well, yes is actually the answer but not necessarily because of what happened was Steve as somebody that grew up in the game and play with four years of high school three years of college thirty I'm pretty sure every coach play for said that about me. Appro? I've said it about you. Now, what that being said if you think about it when you in a position of leadership, and or when you're in a relationship, you're going to have different peaks and valleys with certain players. It's almost like dealing with your kids or a teacher dealing with the classroom is going to happen. Now, do I think dramas long-term futures, inC, Golden State? No, but not necessarily because of what St. was saying that too. Due to certain extent. But again, you got to dress what's at stake here right now. You know, they're trying to win another NBA title. Right. And her gotta fix that. You know? So I'm sure they've said down by now and discuss what was saying they gotta move on. Here's the thing. I'm wondering about Klay Thompson is a free agent. Who knows what he'll do. Maybe he stays there. Kevin durant? Everyone has him out of there. Boogie cousins, he's not still going to be there. Now, you're telling me Draymond isn't going to be there. Who's going to be on the Golden State Warriors next splash brothers? And that's it as long as they have the slash brothers. They're gonna be able to build around those guys. You didn't mention really important got Steph curry, he's really good at basketball going anywhere. Part of I understand he's not going anywhere. But everyone else has options and Draymond green. Is the one guy that we figure we'll be there along with those three were the original three. But if you think about it like at some point when you have a core group of guys that have won as many championships as they did, you know covering the bulls. They. Changed who they had there. I repeat versus who they had their second. No one like, Kevin Durant. They didn't trade anybody. The free. The the guys who were there through all of it were Jordan and Pippen, and they were the most important ones. But but quickly whatever this rift is do you believe it ones up biting them in the playoffs will it fall apart? If they've face adversity in the playoff, possibly, I am a person. That's always say people, go stay, whereas have a cake walk. That is inaccurate Houston. A legit fall. Okay. See is a legit fall. They will be taking a seven game throughout this. We all know the playoffs are like peaks and valleys. You gotta stay together through the bad times. We'll see if they're able to do it. We'll take a very short break here. We have so much left to put ball agency, the tampering fast and furious. Who took the biggest gamble who needs to make a move. Our NFL supportive are coming your way. Plus despite all the action yesterday still not deal living where did he gonna wind up? What's he gonna get? And what does it mean we get into that? And more to get on ESPN. Busy here on get up on a very busy morning with both the basketball. And of course, all the put coming fast and furious. And here's what we have coming for you in our next half hour on ESPN, levian Vel. Where is he going and rule? It all have seemed worth it. We'll get to that in five minutes and the best and worst moves we've seen so far from Dan Orlovsky. And then a sneaky one is it possible. The biggest move of all hasn't yet been made all that and more coming up in our next half hour, and that brings us to sneaking Hamble Jalen you love, these levian Bellas. The all time leader in scrimmage yards. We know that who ranked second all time as it berry. Sanders your favorite Walter Payton or Jim Brown? Good options at the question. The answer is next this get up on ESPN. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Brian Bruno live on the scene of a recent windstorm here to describe the event chest of drawers, there's a storm howling outside. So I thought I'd stay in watch around town five minutes into the flick, a tree branch slams through the window. Where are you hurt? Just got a scratch on my chest. Your chest of drawers can't help you in a windstorm. But the Geico insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Co gyco to see how a forcible homeowners insurance can be we welcome you back to get up and has been a very busy morning. NFL news is breaking all around us. The Packers have been busy upgrading their defense. First reported by NFL network. The Packers agreed to a deal with edge rushers. Daria smith. He led the ravens last season with eight and a half sacks. So they add him, and they weren't on yet and fell network. Also supporting that they have added former bear safety Adrian, ammos. Dan, Grazziano mentioned him earlier. He will sign with Green Bay. He started fifty six sixty games. Since being drafted by the bears in twenty fifteen finished last year with two picks and seventy three tackles for Chicago. So the Packers have been busy this morning upgrading their defense. And of course, as moves continue to come. We will have the very latest up to the second brings us back the, hembo, and Jalen an or Lasky guessing levian bell. Is the oldest jarreds per game was second time is very Sanders. Walter Payton, Jim Brown, guys, go. I'm Jim Brown. I'm going with C Jim Brown. Jaylen Brown is the legend to pay play to very emotional when it comes to. Well, you're half right between you, and it's Jim Brown is the. These years later, Jim Brown. A half yards three and a half fewer than on bell. Well done, Dan or Laskey, and we're more on all of this. That's bring Louis Riddick into the conversation who can take through all of this stuff from front office perspective. Good morning, Lou. And I want to start with Levy on bell. He doesn't have a deal yet. And we've been kicking around this morning. What that means after we sits out all of last season. And it's been waiting for this for such a long time. What should we read into the fact that is taking him a lot longer to get a deal done in a lot of these other players? Yeah. I think as time moves on here greeting you start to get a feeling you get the sense as you talk to people around the league that you wonder if really going to be that guy who actually tops the market goes above fourteen million per year for running back. The guys who sets the standard as far as average for your guaranteed money for running back. My senses, maybe that doesn't happen. Maybe he's one of those guys comes in maybe even below what the franchise tag would be in terms of average per year. Maybe it's in the thirteen million dollar range. And it's not exactly what he thought. It was going to be looked the fact of the matter is this poses some risk to football teams in terms of injury and long term durability and then decision making off the field haven't been suspended before. Then these are real things that teams will that some teams will have a problem with some teams, we'll try to use as a bargaining chip in their favor to suppress what you want as far as a, you know, an average for your guaranteed money on top of the fact that teams have been very successful getting value in the draft as for young running backs with less tread on their tires. You know, this this'll be an interesting one to see how it pans out. The only one team we all know that. But but as every day in every minute ticks by that you start you start to get the sense that maybe this contract doesn't come in where maybe he thought and where other started might. But we'll see and you've lived this sort of on that side of it from inside the building the longer it goes who does that favor. Does that does that favor Levy on ciders it favor if he will this favor his side the longer this thing stretches out? Yeah. Well, I think it favors the team for sure because look the first twenty. Four to forty eight hours of true free agency, which now is the quote unquote, legal tambien, tampering period is where contracts kind of exploded, and you wind up seeing the market get reset and people kind of get all up in arms about why. Why are they paying these guys? Like the way they're paying them. This is ridiculous. Although people need to keep in mind the salary cap is expanding exploding. So these they have to pay the money. So it has to go to someone. So when you know that and that is the situation a guy like levian bell. It's set up for you to go ahead and cash in right now, the fact that he has made an announcement. Nobody's said anything about where he's going to go the more that that goes on the more that that doesn't bode very well for him in my estimation. And it goes very well for the teams let me go through some of the other deals yesterday. In fact, let's have you do it. What is one thing you saw yesterday player wise, team wise or otherwise that you really liked? I really liked Tyron Matthew signing in Kansas City because of what he does for them from a coverage perspective at the safety position. I think this is what they coveted the most tie. Iran really is a five position player. Think about this. He could play corner he could play the nickel position he can play the dime position. Which is basically just the weak side of the opposite side of where the nickel lay he could play free safety, and he can play strong say he's twenty six years old. He is someone who was greatly respected both in China and in Houston in particular, JJ watt was a few of his praise for Tyron Matthew and his work ethic and leadership and he's twenty he's twenty six years old. So they really love those things relative to what they need and their defense. Now, I know he comes with some risks to haven't had some significant ACL injuries. But they think all the positives really outweigh the negative. So I really like what they got on from an on the field perspective and from a locker room perspective by signing Tyron. And how about the other side of we talked a lot about him early this morning, everyone at the table. Agreed. How about the other side was there one yesterday that made you scratch your head? It doesn't make me scratch my head. But I'll say this about Nick foles. It comes with a lot of expectations. Graining? There's no question about that. They are basically saying that Nick can be a franchise guy. Not just doing the postseason but during an entire sixteen game season and postseason and give them everything that Blake Bortles did not look over the past two years. Blake Bortles stone the fourth most number of interceptions in the NFL. And he's a guy who averaged under seven yards per attempt. They need Nick to be the two thousand seventeen postseason Nick foles, which was six touchdowns. One interception. All over nine yards per attempt. They need that guy. They need that guy. When when you know when the situation arises they need him the play like that defense needs play better. He needs to protect the football. But given what they gave him in terms of Abbas for your guaranteed money. That's the one I think that will be scrutinized the most because just two years ago and even the early part of this season Jacksonville, Jacksonville was considered a Super Bowl favorite for the AFC in terms of representing the AFC. So Nick is going to be Nick almost the same kind of pressure on him this year that you saw Kirk cousins live with in two thousand eighteen given his contract that he was given by the Vikings. Great perspective, Louis thank. You so much. We appreciate it. We'll see you again tomorrow is this thing continues to develop let me take it to the table here with the Dan's or Laskey and Grazziano you brought that up with foale's as well earlier. And I want to pick it up where Lewis said this look this time last year we were talking about Jacksonville being a very feasible AFC Representative in the Super Bowl if they just got average quarterback play Nick foles should be able to give them that if not more. Why are they not that? Well, let's talk about what Nick foles is going to bring the positive aspect. He's he's leads the NFL last year's and getting the ball out of his hand. So that will help that offense of line. The reality though, is this is not a very well built roster. Tom coffin for the great things that he did in New York. It's not a very good roster right now. So you've got an offensive line that struggles. Absolutely. So what do you do find a quarterback? That's certainly gonna get the bottoms hands quickly that is something again that Nick foles excels in but they thought about it. They've got an unreliable running back. They have one guy under football team with catches in the NFL one marquees. Clean. He's coming off a devastating knee injury. They've got some issues on the defensive end as defense is not what it was two years. Don't forget that you're that they go to the title game. They led the NFL turnovers they forced like forty four turnovers. Some outrageous number like that. So you can't rely on those all the time. This roster is not as good as people wanted to think it is. I hear you. I don't know if you saw the number that hembo, popped up on the screen now the last two years if their quarterback plays. Well, they win. They have lost a game in which the quarterback has played. Well, what reaction did you hear around the league yesterday when the money came in on foles that it was higher than expected because the Jaguars really were the only spot for him. So they were kind of bidding against themselves. But they definitely need a starter. They definitely a guy there that can be in command of the huddle can get the ball. Quickly knows the offense coordinator John Filipa with whom he worked in Philadelphia a couple years ago. So yeah, the dominant defense is the reason that good quarterback play with wins for that team. That defense is going to have to continue to be as dominant as it was two years ago and they've lost fees to lost Shawn. Gibson lost. Jackson. So it's not going to be the same. The leadership will be used for them. Nick foles will bring outstanding leaders. Yes. Maybe that defense won't be rolling their eyes at the offense. Every time they walk out field next year that might help a lot. We'll take a short time out much more football still to come the antics Antonio Brown caused the Steelers to sell low is it possible. The giants are about to do the same thing. That's next get up ESPN. That get up remind you sports tonight, six eastern PTI sage and Keith with shefty on all the NFL's deadline deal. The latest on Conor McGregor arrest and on the eve of his pro day look at Cuyler Murray's unique pan to the draft. Sportscenter after PTI on ESPN, it's on the ESPN app. And we bring it out here with the Dan's again Grazziano in our key breaking down all the moves in NFL free agency. He tells you what happened. He tells you what it means. Let's do some supportive coming off the first twenty four hours of this. What was the most impactful move? We've talked about him a lot this morning. It's something bad and the the chiefs had issues on defense, and how do you fix that that the issues go? Find guy lose a consistent playmaker. Talked about in coverage getting picks coming off the edge in blitzing fitting on the in the run game. This is one of the best all around football players in all of the NFL anything you ask him to do. He's able to do he played all the Levin positions essentially last year. So. You're talking about a defense that had holes an offense. It's going to be incredibly explosive funding that might be able to get you two three four five turnovers nother possession or to your offense. The impact that the Honey badgers gonna have not only all the field. But in that locker room that leadership aspect of this defense, we won't be able to measure. I love this about the biggest eggs retro man, bobbing heart for the Cincinnati Bengals. I do not understand it statistically, he was one of the bottom five offenses tackles all of football last year had some issues couple years ago with the giants had issues last year with the Bengals this is a new staff Zack Taylor's their offense. It's gonna be really dependent on their tackles with the movement game in the play action bobbing heart put on tape lesser that he struggled we after week after week and not only did they bring it back, but they paid money they them legit money. And so for a for a team and organization with a new coach that's got some situations to figure out or questions to figure out what if any built is the guy to protect. Him with somebody. That's been beaten all the time. I'll get a sneaky big move Greenidge. Jamison Crowder, I cannot love Jason Crowder's game more. And I love it for Sam darnold. This guy is again the Nina fail. You have freaks Julio Jones runners, he's wrote runner extraordinaire somebody. That's gonna talk this darnold with his body language, if it's man to man, how do I beat that MandA meant he's also going to be huge for Sam darnold and offense in the screen game. Just easy throws for Sam darnold to get the ball of hands and completions. And then they turn into he averages twelve yards every screen pass completion. So but the route running the ability to get open is going to be huge for Dom. Okay. I love it next. What's the biggest gamble you've seen? Well, it's gotta be Trent Brown. Listen. I don't know how he's going to respond or play outside of Dante star neck us. Many people have brought to attention one of the great offense of line coaches in the history of the game. If not the. Anna quarterback that is known for knowing what the weaknesses or what's what are you not great at? And then getting the ball getting out in space and blocking is certainly strength of his big massive athlete. But it helps to have that offensive line. Coach can have that quarterback. How are you going to be able to do that? Or how are you gonna play? When two of those kind of comfort blankets in coaching quarterback aren't with any longer. You've got huge money, and Oakland and how about the best trae probably won't happen talk about. Let's let's let's entertain the idea that del Beckham. It's get get traded from the New York Giants their teams we continue to hear the rumors that the giants are willing to listen. And that old Dell has made a list of teams that he's willing to go to my some. Here's one team on that list that that rains a little bit greater than the other. And they happen to be in Ohio. And so I just look at this is an opportunity for the giants. Maybe look at themselves in the mirror. Go we already have our franchise guy, the guy that actually embodies what we want to represent and saquon Barkley do. They learn. A little bit from the Steelers situation with AB kind of there was some stuff off the field and some drahman so personalities to have to manage do. They potentially go. You know, what great player, but we wanna move on anger as I was there any chance the giants trait. Odell Beckham I think there's a slim chance if the offers fantastic, but they're not out there trying to do it certainly they're hearing from teams you mentioned the brand for whom his best friend Dr to replace the forty Niners would love to bring him into Kyle Shanahan system. Those are two prominent teams that are gonna continue to make an effort so far. It's a no giants have to be completely blown away to do something. Like this. The earlier montage showed him acting like a maniac, but he is known in that building a very hard worker. A guy who never misses the practice all the stuff they do want him to be he gets a little bit when they lose. And we've seen that at that. So yes, the originally if he doesn't wanna be there and start stirring it up like Antonio did. Yes. But right now, it's all theoretical. And they're not out there. Trying to trade. All the same stuff isn't Tony around. No one question. How hard he works. No one questions have been practice all that kind of stuff. But it comes with some extracurriculars the question. I have in the giants. What do they think they all like they're so betwixt in between you gonna pay twenty something million dollars to we manning at this stage of his career? Are you building around saquon Barkley and Bill Beckham are you trying to win? Now. Are you drafting a quarterback trying to build for the future? I think we'll start figuring that here based on what they do in the draft and other things now I want to go to the raiders you mention them briefly, and they spent a bunch of money yesterday. And we know they brought in Antonio Brown. And we're hearing that they may still be in it. Let me start with you here on Levy on Belle are the raiders legitimately still ended on levian bell. I don't think it's a strong possibilities. It was before the Trent Brown deal because that eight up a lot of money a lot of cap space. They need a running back. And you know, if the price is right. It wouldn't be crazy. But you heard a lot more about the jets and other teams as the night went on last night. Then he did about the right? Okay. So a little less likely on Oakland there. But the raiders have made a lot of very splashy high profile moves, and they have a bunch. Of draft capital has Jon Gruden turn. This thing around with the help of Mike Mayock. They got this thing. Right. It's certainly a much better situation than it was during the season during the season was a democracy. I mean, it was a fire in you. They came out and said, this is exactly what we're gonna do. Now. Some of the moves have penned out some of the moves look encouraging. I will say this. They everyone knows that they went and made the move for AB, and I was outspoken that if you're going to do that you better make sure that your quarterback is comfortable in his own skin. Because AB is good a challenge and that personality is going to challenge the quarterback. I don't necessarily think that the marriage between Jerry Carnaby matter so much on the field as it does off the field. Derek Carr for couple years was a really good in young promising player when he had good players around him. And then he has started to struggle over the last two years because the raiders basically quit on getting good players keeping good players. And so now that is a be there in Jodi Nelson started. To play better last year. And they wanna get Jared cook those players are back with him. But what what matters the most this marriage between Derek Carr. Gruden aby is off the field. But we find on the field. The performance of you. Okay. On the field. We've seen AB go after big Bank. We've seen car and Jon Gruden get into it on the sidelines. If that personality Morphing and marriage relationships, don't go. Well, this can go south past Dan grassy on what those cars contract. Tell us about his future in Oakland. Well, he's got one year for sure. And then they'll see guarantees Valerie for this year of nineteen point nine million. They owe have nothing guaranteed after that even though he signed for several more years. So if he were to perform poorly next year's draft as a lot of interesting quarterbacks in it and the raiders have two first round picks, they rethink that. But right now, it's about their car when you talk to Jon Gruden will tell you. It's all about building up. Derek Carr making it as good as possible for Derek Carr. Putting him in a position to succeed. That's what they really. Want to have happened in Oakland slash Las Vegas. And we'll see look we've known, and I like John very much over the years. But his history tells us that his infatuation with quarterbacks is an inch deep and a mile wide. Whatever the especially he's always looking for the next one. Do you think it's even possible that they have different quarterback this year? Absolutely nothing surprises me in the NFL, especially when a coach has trekker John's gruden's best years of John gruden's greatest moment was with rich Gannon as quarterback rich Gannon newsy smaller ball, distributing athletic or move around kind of quarterback. They're just so happens to be one of the draft this year. I'm just saying if he doesn't go one, so I don't I don't anticipate it, but I can actually see. Yeah. He has raved about column Marie for whatever that is worth. That would be sneaky, huge news. In fact, it wouldn't be sneaky. It would just be huge news. We have sneaky Vic news, however from free agency, let's start with Maliki Jackson on his way to the eagles three years thirty million dollars. Dan, did you like sign? Absolutely. The eagles defense. They continue to put money in their fronts. Whether it's the offense ivine or the defensive line this defensive line now has flickered clock Fletcher. Cox and Malea Jackson on the inside on the outside. No one's gonna wanna play Philly. They're going to be very difficult to block. This is what allowed that secondary to play. So well two years ago with the frontline was dominant. And so they lose out on Michael Bennett replace him with me Jackson, again, putting him next to Fletcher Cox that is a big time. Once you punch on the inside next. We mentioned the jets got the receiver in the also spent a lot of money on defense, ending Anthony Barr and CJ Moseley. How good that deepen be this, Dan incredible. I mean that you've got Jamal Adams. Now, you've got Anthony Barr. And then you've got Moseley you've got Leonard Williams got Avery Williamson. So this is really good players on your defensive side of the football. That's another way where you can help young quarterback. I played against debare couple times Minnesota. He's a fantastic athlete used the right way. And then CJ Moseley's guy that could drop into coverage. He can get out. Through the quarterback. He can rush is incredible tackler. This defense took a lot of steps for the past couple of days, and they still have the third pick in the draft will see what they wind up doing. They're finally a reunion in Philly. The Sean Jackson going back to the eagles for sixth and seventh round picks. Does he make an impact no doubt about it? This is this is this Niki big news of the past couple of days to Sean Jackson. One is beloved in Philly to Carson Wentz. Great strength are throwing the ball downfield. And then kind of making some secondary place. Sean Jackson's great strengths are going vertical downfield and then scrambling around. So you're taking a player that is incredibly dynamic matching him with a quarterback. That is the same. What you do best to the ball downfield. What do you do best? Go run the ball run deep routes. I love it. I absolutely love it. That is a sneaky big news in Philly goes back to the top of teams that could contend for that NFC crown again looked at could have done it a year ago different things would have been if Al Sean Jeffey doesn't drop that ball in New Orleans knows what we're talking about. Maybe the core. Toback Jacksonville isn't the Jacksonville. Now. We'll take a short break coming up next. Interesting news out of New England that could wind up having a very big impact on that guy. The one wearing number twelve don't miss it. It's next get up on ESPN. People get up with us tomorrow morning. The NFL new year is finally here. We'll have your free agent winners and losers will by that time Levy on bell found a home. We'll have the latest on him. And if the warriors rockets lineup another playoff preview, Jalen rose. We'll tell us if there has been a shift in the west all that and a whole lot more tomorrow morning starting at eight eastern here on ESPN. Meanwhile, I told you this news coming out of New England. It's a story first reported by the Boston Globe confirmed by us. The patriots have place to the original round tender, unrestricted free agent wide receiver Josh Gordon with just over two million dollars. If courses currently on these suspended restricted list. So Dan Graziano. That's a lot of words. What exactly does it mean? Relative to Josh Gordon's place on the patriots. So it means he will play for them for two point two five million. If he plays or if a team wants to sign him again restricted free agent the team wants to sign him and succeeds the patriots would have right of first refusal to match the offer. And if they don't the patriots would receive a second round pick in return for Josh weren't. So it's it's a placeholder. That kind of locks in place in case he comes off suspension and complain to clear it is not it is not a commitment to patriots. Being you non-guaranteed Sally, basically gives them the right to keep him. If he comes off suspension to the defending Super Bowl chance we've seen some high profile guys leave seems to happen practically every year. What do you make over New England says we're one day into the still still in the top of the AFC? I mean, I know that they lost Trent Brown, but they drafted Isaiah win Georgia two years ago in the first round again, and he had gotten hurt. And so he's going to step right into place left tackle they lost more guys last season than they're going to this off season. The huge question Mark is going to be grunk return or not this is a very tight end deep draft. They'll I gotta feeling the patriots are going to be okay. They'll certainly know by the dress gronk. Get talked about all the three of us here tomorrow. We'll be velveteen by then by the time. We start tomorrow he says tonight midnight. Thanks starting day with us. We'll see I take starts right now.

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"They. Fixing Anthony Davis and a late night light show. That was awesome a complete embarrassment. We'll show you both sides in one minute. Plus, did you see what Wayne way did last night? One of his greatest moments comes in his final season getting to see and you will in five minutes, and as the eagles open the door for Nick foles where is their only Super Bowl VP headed and is it in their own division. We've got those answers and many more. It's time to get up right now. And we welcome. You wanted to all the studios in New York? The light of the here. Jalen, Laura is back will is here, Dan or Lobski is ready to go seems to be sweater designed, Dan. Colonel. For the season actually, snowing outside they said it was going to. And so we plan to Cording let's get you out to a different kind of environment last night. So LeBron and the Lakers struggling they need to win badly. And they're taking on Anthony Davis sort of and the here's how the crowd in. Los Angeles welcomed a. That happened that will be the first quarter. Here's davis. He would knock down a shot over LeBron. He would score fifteen points on seven of nine shooting in the first half. Keep that in mind check this out. Jalen, this is a out Legrand is paying no attention, literally. No attention to whatever it is Luke Walton is saying, but even so that was the play getting. So as successful playoff the inbounds, regardless of six point halftime lead. Now here we go third quarter plots sequence for the Lakers. It's just a never ending series of big dunks. I it's and then it's going to be the Rodman the defense check out. They're getting out in transition Lord situation, and it made a couple of big time plays and he used to moving the ball up and good shot to get a great shot is with another flam, goofy three straight ducks lead. It seventy nine seventy five four thirty to go in the third pelicans down for Anthony Davis goes to the bench after twenty one minutes would not return. I was using the other thing to talk about that, quite let's get you. The game is decided talk shot there from the Braun with his team up three at the free throw. So never six point lead under a minute ago. Here's your Jagger. Look LeBron the fall away three somehow gets to go. They can only watch Patrick my hogs in the house. He loved it. The brain would finish with thirty three Anthony Davis twenty two points. Lakers win at one twenty five. What nineteen let's talk. Last game play. Well, we just went able to come out with a win. And we just continue to pick up on that. We had a sense of urgency in our last game in Memphis, obviously, you want to get the win. But we just we stay with it tonight. You know, even when they may shots, even when they made plays third quarter Nate jumped on us able to withstand that and that's far ball club. So you want the numbers on Anthony Davis on the floor versus off the floor when he's playing the outscored the Lakers when they take them off the floor, and again, he did not play in the fourth quarter as become the norm. He they were outscored by ten he hasn't played in the fourth quarter of a game since February nights. So let's take this the table for the first time Lakers win, they need a win obviously badly j what you see from the brand and company last night. I give the broad credit for being able to recalibrate the way he leads. I think that traditional way of the way the brand is used to be leading as far as saying things in the media. It doesn't equate to this team doesn't equate to millennials jen's e I think his ability to change the energy day. You saw him shoot around making shots doing the little Michael Jackson. Kick thing with his leg really making it fun. It wasn't the gravesite kind of yard mentality that the Bronx. He made the game fun. He made everybody else loose. And you saw that in the way that younger players played. Yes. Well, I'm going to give credit to Luke warm because the last time I checked. The Lakers three best players are LeBron James, call coups and Brandon Ingram. Now, that's not a force defensively to stop people from getting left and dunks against you that makes you faster offensively so much. So that's where we started broad avail McGee off the veg- who was also five for five and play really will in that role. So it allowed the Lakers to play more to their pace as an offense of team versus one is trying to play with a lot of hype because doesn't maximize the brawn James give all that is well and good, and they need it when they get when their main three games out of playoffs. But can we just however talk about what the real story is here this Anthony Davis thing has become a farce? This is a joke. They're making the joke of an NBA game. This is legitimate NBA game that has postseason implications. And I understand they have been placed not of their own making Veda pelicans and a terrible situation because his agent says he wants out and the league says you can't bench him. So they've got to figure out something. I'm not blaming. But there has to be a better way than this to announce before the game play five minutes in the first quarter five minutes in the second quarter five minutes in the third quarter. And no minutes in the fourth quarter. And to stick to that, regardless of the circumstances that game Jalen, it's a joke. This is an NBA game. And they've turned it into a Joe a mockery. And the thing is you have fans that pay top dollar to come watch these games. How about the people that gamble on these games? And so like for the NBA it's a unique situation when you have a top flight player in a situation. Like, Anthony Davis is with the pelicans at some point. You just got a not playing. That's does that. Does that that helps more the integrity of the game to actually right? We all know what's going on here. They are trying to make sure he doesn't get hurt that he stays this great commodity that they have that they'll use on the trademark it. Why even play him at this point? If it's going to be what it is. I get it if he's gonna play in every single minute of the game. He's going to be a big factor. That's great. If he's not why do it. I don't put out on tokens OI on MBA. That's an Adam silver issue that he has to do with the find a way to the best leaders able to be malleable, you have to be with a change as times change. And I think it's going to be a huge challenge. This I understand where the Commissioner is coming from. I can't be a hypocrite. I'm wondering yells screams about healthy players resting all the time. I wanna see that people have paid money to see Anthony Davis. They deserve to so Commissioner I get where you're coming from on this having said that however this is not the solution. Now what someone smarter than me to figure out the solution. But this can't be and also became buried Lee and LeBron James articulated. So amazing things of why the Lakers actually won yesterday's game was one because Anthony Davis is minutes. We're limited. Absolutely green. Why they actually won two points and twenty minutes. Their playoff relevant games. It's terrible. Let me get you. Then to the warriors last night who were in south beach taking on Dwayne wind in his final season. And Wade had himself with me either gonna win. The night before. Yeah, they got really slowly look at this past from way to Kelly clinic right between the legs of Draymond Green Bay. He'd have a fifteen point now later in the second quarter. The Heat's lead is twenty one and watch this equates here on to get a turn it over on the other way. And how about when it fell about name of bam out of bio lives up to his name? That's the one thing about the Miami. He led by Eric's Bush. They're going to play with effort on a consistent basis. What a great path with low shown us play making the -bility and ban ban with the Finnish down warriors down twenty four in the first half their largest first-half that was of the season. But of course, they come all the way back fourth quarter warriors down five Klay Thompson catch and shoot. Plus the free throw score thirty six seven threes for him now tied wanting teen. Kevin durant? Can't stop that. Without ju- shock warriors. Having three point. Now the final sequence of this game. It's simply unbelievable heater down four under twenty seconds to play. Get it to join weight turning back time, the lead is one we fast forward. Final seconds. Teach are down to where they go that way. It gives get it back to wait three to what it's gotta get thrown up on my. And it goes greeny. Keeping good Jalen. How about that moment for Dwayne way? They're looking to see it. But counts. Indeed. It does. I wonder if somebody offered away the big check Nettie comeback. I don't think so he's having too much fun. Celebrating his final gear point wait finishes twenty five points. Three of them there to win the game. Win a thriller. One twenty six twenty five. A little right now man there's been a while since the moment like that. I wonder what Kobe hit that game winner on me and lay when you hit it on the top we hit the glass, but it's how possible that you saw me to way mob mentality much rather? See Jove scores. We're now with. Those kind of things had advise you how great it's sucks. What for twain, wait? He's the third player in the last fifteen years to hit a buzzer beater at thirty seven years of age or older, Paul Pierce and Vince Carter are the others Lawrence south sled. Talk about him kyri in the Celtic trying to get a win into Trail Blazers. What would they do? We're going to begin in the third quarter. The Celtics are down by one at this point and Kyrenia with the fancy moves J will have thirty one points doing so much off the Joe, but still this team is better when they have over twenty five or six or more in volume that's how they win when they share the rock right here blames by seven and dealin what a three from Lillard day Lillard was equal opportunity employer. Doesn't matter who was guard. He was giving them that work here. He goes again, getting inbounds pass all the way to the basket. And yet he's gonna lay it in general Roseau every time he scores. He's so much more efficient. He doesn't waste dribbles the ball. Just Amit to the point. What's the fourth quarter Celtic down nine Dalen Brown? Mrs that three victory able to put it back. Gets it to go. Thirty one points at Celtics down by seven hour for tough great here gets to go in the lane Celtics down by five under a minute to go still down by five. Marcus smart. Putting up the tough shot with time in the shock is CJ McCollum guessed it in transition. He finds Lillard Lillard able to lay it in. He had thirty three points a trip. Lasers win. Which means the Celtics lose again kyri. What say you? Can we all this other BS about regular season and keep getting better and talking over and over and over again about what we can do to keep getting better than regular season? I just want to be at the highest level plant. I mean, that's why I'm here for your confidence level. You mean just in terms of like, you know, get out of questions that legitimate question. I mean, it just. You feel about his team next question. Green gonna like this one. Simply put the ball does not have the same energy with Kyrie Irving on the four Boston averages. Thirty one fewer passes for one hundred physicians with him in the game this season according to second spectrum, and I said would like that. Because Greenies made the point the kyri actually shouldn't play that they're better without Tyree in the game. Not the numbers show that let's first start though. Because a lot of people j Willard talking about Kyrie's attitude how he's handling all this his leadership. What do you know about his leadership his development in that area? That's factoring in with the way. Some of this is going I think we're watching I think the defacto leader on this team. But he's never really had to leave before last year. He didn't do that during the playoffs. He was on the bench. And I think this year we're going through the garlic. And sometimes I think when you're brilliant. It's hard to always have that come out of your mouth as far as how to communicate to people. I think Theresa work-in-progress, but I don't also give that the main issue. I put this on Brad Stevens, and Danny aines why at the beginning of the. A year. Okay. They made a pivotal mistake. They may Jaylen Brown Jason Tatum. Adjust to Gordon Hayward coming back. Gordon? Hayward was automated starter instead of making Gordon Hayward. Adjust to Jason Tatum in Jaylen Brown. Do we see the way they finished the regular season and get into the conference finals last year? I think by inserting Gordon Hayward into the starting lineup it caused friction on this basketball team. And I think you really hindered the growth of guys like Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown because you're making them adjust to Gordon Hayward. And a mover making excuses for this talented Boston Celtic team like if you look at their individual parts, all of these guys are dynamic in their own, right? We talk a lot about kyri. We know what he was able to do in yesterday's game thirty plus points. Jason Tatum will be a perennial all-star rosier has what it takes to be a starting. Dr. Jaylen Brown has what it takes to be all NBA defense. Al Horford digressed a little bit from God. It was an all star last year the parts are there. We talked this time last year at this desk of grass. Steve is probably being the best coach Indian tire NBA. We talk about Danny as being the best GM in the entire NBA. So why can't they get it done teams playing together teaser playing harder tease playing with more passion? This is a t that product gonna lose enough force rounded of wealthy. And they went to the conference finals last an unrelated question because we all know where I stand on the whole thing with Kyrie. But I have an unrelated question, we talk a lot about how the Lakers all believing. They're going to be traded to New Orleans created a distraction. There are a lot of people who think that a lot of these young Celtics are gonna get traded to New Orleans for Anthony Davis to tie together. The two big games of the morning here. Do you think that is having any impact on them, everything matters, and it has an effect on the pelicans too? So all three of those teams are dealing with different situations. Really young talented players that when you drafted them, you told them they were going to be the future. Lonzo ball was told to his numbers going to be hanging in raptors. When he got paid ok these expectations of guys who took in the lottery. So now all of a sudden when they realize my YouTube is not going to be here per se that I'm not as invested in the unit as I should be go ahead. Whether we're saying is that we expect everybody to be pros. But now we have a lot of kids that are just becoming pros. So now, you're watching the maturation of how. They handle all this stuff. Right. It's a different game. Pretty soon gonna come into the league a year younger than even vet. So. A lot of drama in the NBA right now. We'll get back to that. But the big story of his day will become just over an hour from right now quarterback Kyle Murray. We'll have his height measured at the NFL. Combine there's a course been a ton of talk about his height, and how will it impact his draft status? He was listed at five foot ten at Oklahoma. So let me get Adam Schefter in here live. He's at the combine forest and Chaffee where we have there is there's Adam Schefter Chaffee. What have you heard from NFL teams about just how important this measurement will be as far as we're Marie gets drafted green? It's not just the height. Okay. It's the weight, and it's the hand size. And I'm told the column or is going to weigh over two hundred pounds today, which is decent size for quarterback. His hands are going to be bigger than a lot of quarterbacks aunts. And when you've got the weight, and you've got the hand size the height of secondary. Particularly when you're lining up in the shotgun. As often his column is and you're rolling out and scrambling outside the pockets and don't have Lyman in front of you, which he does quite often. On the football field. And that's why there are some teams that are less concerned about that height than other teams in really becomes a new school old school new age old age argument, where some of the old typical football people can't wrap their hands around the fact that a five ten or so quarterback could go this I and the draft, and there's more and more speculation that column or could go number one. I smoke into multiple teams who believe that column is square in the mix for the number one overall pick and now with obviously lead to a whole Rifta dominoes falling with Josh Rosen being traded elsewhere. The cardinals had maintained that Josh Rosen is their quarterback right now for sure those are the words the general manager Steve time, but this is going to be awfully fun to follow for the next couple of months leading up to the draft and eight well, let's play it. Let's play John for you yesterday. 'cause this sort of set off a lot John Hughes me gone. Let's hear from Steve. Some of the speculation stemmed from this yesterday. Think we're cliff said was trying to void bulletin board. Material. I think if you're a Texas Tech, I would've said the same thing about an Oklahoma quarterback. But you know, again, it's still early in the process, we haven't even gone through a fool valuation at all the positions. So really, it's it's again too early to say. Shash rose quarterback. Yeah. The is right now for sure. Is right now for sure you'd have to what reaction did you hear around the league to that? Again. I think it's tough for the cardinals because they're walking fine line. Again. You want them to come out? And just flat out say Josh Rosen our quarterback, I think he kind of did that, but he leaves enough wiggle room to have everybody else wondering. And again, I'm just telling you that when you speak to other teams, they're convinced that column or is going to be inconsideration for the number one pick wing think about it. We know how cliff Kingsbury feels about column calamari, we know a column or you can do we know how much excitement Kyla Murray would bring to the desert out narrows on how much you would change the face of that franchise and some of the feeling around. And so it's hard to imagine that they're not going to take a serious look at taking him at number one. Now, whether they come to the conclusion over the course of today's measurable 's and next. Month's workout whether or not he's the guy. We'll see it's a long process, but it's hard to imagine that column or is not going to be in consideration for that. Number one pick greenie. All right. Stay with us because we're going to get back to you as soon as measurements. Come in. Again. We will let you know the moment column Ari has been measured. And we know exactly how tall he is. I got Dan Orlovsky with me and here this morning. So you hear Steve saying yesterday? Yeah, he's our quarterback right now as a former quarterback yourself. What thoughts went through your mind? Okay. I actually so I heard those comments that I went home to my wife last night. And I said play along case study I want to ask you a question. She said if I came to you and said, hey, we're still married right now for sure what's your response. And she was like, well, basically, you're telling me that eventually we won't be married, and you're just waiting for something better to come along. And that's what I hear. What that is. We've heard clip Kingsbury go, man. I take them number one. I love them. Now, the general manager Steve has come out and made that kind of comment of. Yeah. Right now for sure until something better comes along. And cliff Kingsbury even said the other day like Patrick Mahomes to Kansas City was the perfect storm will the perfect storm in Arizona's going to be and I want you to make the point you made in the meeting this morning to that for those who say, well, they loved it year ago. Josh Rosen enough to draft him how much they love him last year. They still paid Sam Bradford twenty million dollars. They brought in Mike Glennon gave him like seven or eight million dollars. And they only went up from fifteen to ten it wasn't like this it factual where they didn't get anybody else. So let me ask the president of the culinary fan club over here to my left because you're the one who's never stops telling me that he should go first or distract. What did you hear there? Do you believe he's going number? They're very interested in it. I think a lot of what's going to happen in just a few hours when we're gonna know how he measures and a lot of people believe it will be between five nine and some change and five ten I think they'll look at that. But as schefty pointed out, the measurements that matter even more are the the weight, and he is going to be over two hundred pounds and the hand size. If you're in that nine and a half range, which he's expected to be that's more important. That's what they're going to look for. More. And I think what Steve kind is doing here is he's making sure and we do have to throw up that picture everything. Even funny comparison to the other highs and finalist, but I think what kind is doing is leaving that door open. What I understand is if you're not leaving that door open. Then why would you not just say Josh Rosen is our quarterback also to give your wife shout out for playing along with your lips with it. Here's the they have the one pick. Right. Yeah. So it's other you're taking Carla Murray or you're not and still Josh Rosen. Your quarterback would you wanna play gains? If he's quarterback. He's our quarterback. If you wanna come get color Murray. Come get one quick point about cliff Kingsbury, we're all so attached to what he said when he was coaching at Texas Tech. He would feel this way about Murray if that hadn't even been out there just because of how he would fit in Kingsbury system, we have to leave. It does a ton of football everything. Okay. At home, by the way, just making sure. We've got a lot more football to get to today, including the eagles have opened the door for Nick foles where is the only Super Bowl MVP and their fans heights history going next we will answer that question and back to Kylie five nine five ten figuratively. And literally the biggest question the draft will be answered today. Stay with us get up on ESPN. Get off is brought to you by Audi. And we have a huge anti were coming your way in ten minutes. The Nick foles decision made in Philly yesterday. Where does he go? We'll talk about it. Then what are the best bits? Frank Tonio Brown. Another player on the move and Stephen a Smith in our next hour just over an hour from right now with his on the Lakers and a whole lot more. Don't miss it. Big morning with you here on ESPN and right now a little sneaky, hembo, John. So Dwayne Wade through his fifth career buzzer beater in the regular season last night. Who was the only player with more since he came in the league Carmelo Jamal Crawford. Joe johnson. Interesting choices answer is net. Get up on ESPN. Technology truth brought to you by Geico. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? Did she lose that? We'd worker. Oh, sent wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. Eat so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Back on get up in the eye. Candy of the night is also air can be Dwayne Wade. Final seconds at home against Golden State. Listen to this. To win. Wade. I guess he dollar check as well. Waiters back to twain huge. Couldn't get there. This so many times so many times you don't make. Dwayne wade. But it wasn't the first it was his fifth career buzzer beater here we go the last time he had a game winning buzzer beater, March ninth two thousand nine against his hometown team. The Chicago Bulls December twenty second two thousand seven against Utah. Williams, and he gets to go a little help from the rim that game winner. Two thousand five the world's most famous arena Madison Square Garden tied at ninety six just as second season in the NBA this step back beating thanks and then earlier in that same season waves first career game winning buzzer beater against the jazz. They were on the wrong end of this one up and down wing. Wait finished with thirty nine points in that winter. So we left you with this trivia question anyway, five career buzzer beaters who's the only player with more came into the league in two thousand three Mellon Jamal Crawford. Joe Johnson is you gotta get absolutely Jamal Crawford. Former teammate mellow the hall of Famer you got like I got. The veteran. I so these are always my favorite days when Jalen gets. You go. John and James making a big shot at the end of his game last night against the pelicans. Let show you how this played out late second Lakers three LeBron with the double pump and the jam Lakers at six point halftime lead quarter a wild sequence. But like what's down three consecutive dumps? That was the second one leaves this here a steel and they worked the ball around. And it's kind of eventually throwing down for the Lakers who had a three point lead after three Anthony Davis wouldn't play the fourth quarter because the whole thing is ridiculous farce, and that sets up the Brian to knock down this tough fall away three in the final thirty seconds. That's the dagger. He finished with thirty three the Lakers six point win. Here was the brunt on his shot and D Wade shot on the same degree of difficulty. With a little bit more difficult. His wasn't it wasn't. It was weird. It was even a shot. It was like he had like a play like Papa shot and he had to because I mean, I know time, but. I think my show was more difficult. I hate to disagree with great LeBron James. But I thought D Wade shot was more difficult, and he did something to the warriors that no one had done in more than a decade. Golden State had not lost on a buzzer beater since January twenty third of two thousand nine and it looks LeBron James who did it that time Laura thank to run the floor. Jalen, and Jay, and we've been getting with James harden back to his thirty point thing again last night his streak of consecutive miss three pointers, though, reach twenty two in a row before finally making one in that third quarter Salen any for concern with that. No, call concern at all their Beck at full strength pretty much. Chris Paul is playing will gorge knock it down shock and fellows. Give quality minutes. Houston rockstar legit contender in the west. Can we give them love though? I mean, James harder rock and the short shorts bringing it back. Those are really short guys. I think that maybe we need to pull him down a little bit. Win rocketed all right anyway yawn as playing it less than one hundred percent. Eric Bledsoe picked up the slack though for the bucks Greenies team. The triple double in their one forty one one forty overtime win against the kings, including the time shut force overtime having one of his most efficient seasons. Jalen has a pro. It's heated their final really important more like the way lockdown defensively lay out a book. You gotta steal. You gotta triple double. He's got to be the balance the Janas of front and the shooting Lopez if you can knock down shots. I think the Milwaukee books cheese go that's being back to the Lakers, though. Real quick now. Silence. Drought. Two games badly went out with another left. Knee injury last night. The lakers. How about trae young though, second street game with the least thirty five points and five six Dylan. It's heat play in his way into the conversation. Absolutely think lucasville has the is the first thirty games. He was struggling find his way. But the last thirty games trae youngest been balling of the twenty points, eight assists to forty percent from three. Here's the one thing about trae young Jay rose, don't get his shots up. Now, he's gonna get his shots up. And when he gets hot he can put a big number. He calms they're playing will nice one to punch in Atlanta to build on for the agreed trae young friend of the show. Also, he's joined get up before we like him even more your weekend with our next Friday double header Dini Lillard leaves the two blazes against Pua and the raptors at seven pm eastern, then it's Jaanus and the bucks. They have these associations. Best record. They take on the broad and the Lakers at Staples Center. Our coverage begins with NBA countdown at seven on ESPN and the ESPN app. Greenie back to the NFL because we had a lot of interesting things said at the combine yesterday. Let's go to the Oakland Raiders there do general manager. Mike Mayock was asked about quarterback. Derek Carr and some nice things to say, let's give a listen. I think their cars a franchise quarterback. I truly believe that. Now, do I also believe that it's a general manager and head coach's job to keep their eyes open to improve any positional football team shore. But I think it's really difficult to try to improve over a franchise quarterback. Like the one we have in our building right now. Dan. Dan orlovsky? Do you believe they believed? Eric cars a franchise quarterback. I do you know, Mike Mayock is one of the most respected scouts, and you look at their car it last year or two he struggled because there was just no talent around him green. This guy last year whose team was leading receptions by a running back and tight end. So we didn't have anybody to throw throwing the football going back to when he did have some success. If you have to go back to like two thousand fifteen in two thousand sixteen that's when he was at his best. But last year struggles where because the lack of talent fifteen sixteen is when he had Cooper when he had Crabtree. When utilizing play action he had people around him people around them like Mayock said he's got a franchise quarterback a Philly next where how he Roseman their VP of operations said the team will not place the franchise tag on Nick foles who opted out of his deal by paying them back two million dollars in February. Here's the explanation from Roseman. We always want to do what's not only for our football team. But also makes a lot of sense for the players and after talking about this with Nick heat is an opportunity to lead his own team. Okay. So let's give credit worth do. We thought that might create a little discord if they franchised him because that would have seemed almost mean spirited considering what he'd done for them. Now, he does get a chance to lead his own team. Do you think this is the right decision where they gonna want? It's the right with vision. Absolutely. But it's unprecedented. I mean, we can't overstate the impact that has had on that city bringing them their I obviously their first super MVP. So it is an massive impact. Emotionally on the city. Where's he going to go? Obviously everyone Jacksonville. I like anybody injects villainy weapons Miami. Maybe there's the narrative around foes that. He was like this one hit wonder greenie like he had that one year run in Super Bowl and everything you can make the case that this year's performance was equally as oppressive as last year's worse situation as a team not playing as well. One of the things that he does great and help this team so much was how quickly he gets that ball at his hands. But it's not just this Dink dunk three three plays. Her comes a punt. Like he gets the ball of his hand. Ends but still able to push down field a little bit and be effective. So this is not a guy that got hot for a couple of games over the last two years. He's the best in the NFL against the blitz over the last two years. He's one of the best play action quarterbacks in the NFL. So very good player. There's that stat from hembo that I saw you tweet yesterday. Here's the fourth-best QBR any quarterback in the league. And the only ones who were higher like Brady breeze, and I think Patrick and home homes. Yeah, he's been that good if alshon Jeffery holds onto a bowl of New Orleans. They may very well of back to back Super Bowl. I don't really that's beyond the realm of possibility. Nick, the eagles were better with Nick foles than they were with Carson win. And that Simpson there's the narrative that he's just a backup who've played well for a couple place. He's starting quarterback in the NFL, and he will be somewhere next year as we continue the NFL combine has never held more weight than when it all lands on collar Murray's at his number will shape his future. We'll tell you however, coming out by that probably shouldn't matter as much as it does. Stay with us on a busy morning. We also have Tonio Brown last week the Steelers. GM called all players except bedrock. This burger kids. AB response. Back on get up. And so last week Steelers GM Kevin Culbert defended Ben Rothlisberger leadership noting that he has fifty two kids under him in this excerpt from our upcoming feature Antonio brands at bound with Jeff Darlington and addressed those comments. Pretty much laying what already had to everyone just confirmed. Confirm everything I said, you know, and and and I didn't go about in a bad way. And said, I said it because I know fans my fans want to hear from me, you know, set back and watch everyone take all kinds of jobs cuts of meat and miss the big chess. Hate how they could play pointing finger, obviously, I know there's some cultural issues, and some you know, what I mean issues that was already a hand, you know, I already knew, but I couldn't really say that because out of respect for the organization for the members work with. I don't wanna put them in the position to try to clarify, of course, China clarify because he no he's that it Detroit on bag pet on his words. But what what what Billy grom is called another grown, man. The kid fifty two kids like like, you don't have no respect for these guys. I these guys that go to work for you. And that's what I'm telling you guys that that's what that's my issue. You know what I'm saying? It's all about respect things. Not getting better not changing. He he's stated fifty two kids and his this guy. So. Like, bro has one team right off the guy's here. But even if the teams here when we gather we are here. So. That's what it is manage is understanding truce. You can see the full story. SC featured AB wide open. It will air Saturday morning on sportscenter right here on ESPN. Now as they mentioned the combine yesterday. Kevin Colbert was asked about how the team is working to trade into oneal Brown and how they're dealing with the market for player of his magnitude. Here was his answer. Antonio's a significant National Football League player. Not only a significant member of the Steelers as one of the best players in the league. So if you subtract the player like that from your roster, you better get something valuable in return? One row out anybody we'll have preferences. But if a team we may not want to trade a player to comes up with more compensation than others than we have to consider it. You may have to play a player more often. But if you get better compensation in return to my job to make the most of that compensation, so we can again make up for that loss. So there's so much to one pack here. Let's go live now to India where we find Joe sina Anderson standing by so yesterday culvert said that interest has grown so seeing what the number of teams expressing interest in Antonio Brown's. He originally said last week that there were three out there. How are teams reacting to a talk at the combine? Well, Mike here Wednesday at the combine cows Shanahan said that he's not aware that the forty Niners are among the. Teams that are reached out expressing potential interest in trading for Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown while in the same breath thing that he knows that he's not allowed to talk about a player on another team. But the connection between the forty Niners and Brown comes after numerous posts that he's made on social media wearing forty Niners gear hugging. Jerry rise other forty Niners players also kind of stamping the idea. So I asked forty Niners cornerback which Sherman for his thoughts on Abe coming to the bay, particularly since he recently talked to the front office about his future in the context of understanding their bigger macro plans. Both sides would be incredibly open to that. I mean he's wanted to he's one of the best players in our league. And in the media, how they portray players much different than how you guys see him on a daily basis and guys who work with them on a daily basis to see him. And I've heard nothing, but great things about him and his work ethic. They say he's one of the hardest working guys you ever meet. So I asked which is if I- ABC habits, speaking out on social media or just speaking out in general or bad for team chemistry, and he said while it is unfortunate that the situation disintegrated in Pittsburgh that he actually respects ABC honesty because he said when players go silent usually the public will fill that gap with its own speculation. But he said that his candidness helps to cut down the gray area. And he actually thinks that's helpful back to you. Thank you, juicy news from a team, of course, Seattle where they certainly did a lot of talking. Let me take this to the table here. So Dan you hear all of that about Antonio Brown? Now that the comments came out from Colbert, the fifty two kids comment that rubbed so many people so wrong. Do you think that changes the way some around the league will view in Tonio Brown? Do there's gonna be some teams in General Motors managers that kind of initially had gone. You know, I don't want to deal with this AB drama. And now that Colbert's comments have been made. They're going to go. All right. Well, maybe there was a little bit of reasoning behind his actions or the. He felt that there was that level of disrespect and he's spoken out about that. Like, you just wanted to respect everyone knows how great of a players. So now, you're going to get some teams going that maybe had crossed them all going. All right. Maybe we could talk about AB now still I can respect Richard sherman's opinion on that and going he's one of the great competitors and the way practices and whatnot. You still have to figure out why week seventeen happened last year. And why for many ways he quit on his football team? No matter what his relationship was with the quarterback. Right. That cannot happen. What about what? Colbert saying about. They are going to look at any trade option. There's some teams they cannot trade him too. Well, he covert even said, he's one of the significant players in the NFL in one of the best players in the NFL. How can you say that you're gonna you know, what look to the Cleveland Browns because you're taking away from your team one of their best players. And then you're adding to a division rival. I don't ever see that's bad. Jenner managing. I get that. Have to get compensation. But there's no way that you hurt yourself and help a team that you're gonna play twice a year. I got candidly had this conversation a million times. And I disagree. Take the best offer. You can you. Don't let him go for nothing. If Cleveland offers by far the best that anyone else might offer. You I think you take it you take whatever you can the best offer is for an Antonio Brown. Particularly in the NFL where I think that the individual piece of it actually matters a little less. Meanwhile, there's another one I wanna get to. Let's switch gears to the giants now that team has decision to make of course, the quarterback position after another down year by manning yesterday. Both head coach fat Shurmur and GM. Dave gentleman asked about he likes featured take a listen. I think you like can help us win games. And he proved when we started the players around him started playing better that he can play the very high level and help us win games. So at this point on I want you back at the end of the day. We saw what was capable of once we gave them hell, you know. He still can make bigly throws. He can still make the NFL throws the narrative has been negative. And I don't think it's been fair. Before that, I feel like ally. Manning is still a guy that as a veteran player might give you more success at least initially than somebody else if they do draft Wayne Haskins. What what do you think? I mean, what the giants are saying about alignment, it's good that they're bringing back. I don't like the negative aspect of it like 'cause you don't want to take a rookie in just shove him into New York meal. Yeah. Good luck. Dude. That market is going to wear you out. But the state at the negative the narrative has been negative in. It's unfair isn't validated. Me. This is a guy with all due respect who has led the NFL and turnovers less six years. I mean, he's got the most turnovers in the last six seasons in the NFL. He's got the most losses since they won the Super Bowl. So the negative the narrative is negative because it is justified. They also have way too much young talent to kind of let them waste away without a quarterback to be able to get the bulb del saquon Barkley ship whose regressing Evan Ingraham. So you have to have a plan to go. We gotta get. Young quarterback to let this young talent. While the Kansas City blueprint is the perfect dessert, which is you take another run with ally. Manning draft a quarterback, you believe in if Dwayne has I think has his going to be a star you played out. And you see how it goes Kansas City made the playoffs with Alex Smith two years ago. And then they were ready to hand the ball to Patrick Mahomes. The giants could be in a similar circumstance you can go for it. Now, you're not adding any help for ally in that first run, but you are drafting your quarterback of the future to me that would make a lot of Senate. If they did it, Patrick Mahomes has said that here that Alex Smith and him spent together was undeniably, a huge impact for him. All right. Let's get to the top neighborhood plays. They're brought to you by Applebee's. We've got a lot of fun stuff in this one. So everybody get ready and pay attention. We begin with shot at Applebee's. We gotta see them. There. We go there. Beautiful Applebee's, fun five number ten looks like this. This is ninety nine pound miles smiles Taylor. He was born cerebral. 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