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"european convention human rights" Discussed on Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

08:45 min | 8 months ago

"european convention human rights" Discussed on Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

"Stayed say the name. Maybe later on the puck joining me. The virtual studio to discuss this merry-go-round of malcontents in and we smith halloween. And about your really just in which move caught your eye the based and why what is boring but you obviously have to go for donate rob. Getting sent to justice buckling news. one of the few. I mean he wasn't good exactly but he was at least on the more moderate end of the spectrum. Me's or for a long time. They were like we're going to attack judicial review and they get a top judicial review but in the end with these various ouster clauses that he did it was all pretty incremental quite slow. It wasn't this kind of burn it down approach that we saw from principato from others. Not he thought well a case. You know this ain't great. It's it's walking in the wrong direction. But it's not fucking running at it. You know who guns blazing so to swap him out for rob is a problem in rob is a very long history of wanting to attack. The human rights act european convention human rights from which it originates. There's some restraint on him. By virtue of ironically the brexit deal they themselves signed but not that much strength. Do they can't start doing some very serious fucking about but more than that. It was just this sense of just moral dispatch at you. Know a way of running a country where the justice system. The national justice system is considered a consolation prize that you throw out to someone when they've catastrophically fucked up in another department. That in itself is quite hard to swallow it. Yes you failed that this entirely. Have this one to fail at entirely. Nemi it was interesting to look at the conservative home polling because basically the almost all the bottom people would go on the top people promoted. And that's every place is. Liz trust at the very top of net satisfaction among they. Why does she poll so highly with them. What do they see that. We don't well you'll right. She is right at the top of that list i think. The last policy in codename mendez Readers who are a net satisfaction of plus eighty five and right down the bottom. Yes lots of the people that have been reshuffled but actually johnson himself has fallen right down. That ranking as well and he Postive suction of about thirteen percent or even under dr thank obviously williamson with a staggering kind of minus minus fifty percent or something so johnson himself with being concerned about his popularity with members because we know how ruthless consecutive cr getting rid of leaders on for a long time. He was the the one the party. Faithful adore queue up around the block full at a fringe meeting. I think people even needs to sleep overnight to try and get into his fringes choi over its but trust. i believe. They're qualified to comment on homelessness. No doubt i think they see trust as some kind of modern day thatcher macaws. She's northern. She went to a state school. She's a free marketeer on. You know she isn't afraid to do Very very dingy pressed auntie and all the rest of it in terms of inch so in that respect she is a free market idealogue interesting. I think she did start out. Hopes with political life in a liberal democrat so young liberals or something is a student but i'm she has been very effective a talking up a series. A series of deals are basically come nothing more control c control the yeah quicker than anyone say you expected to bring anything to the foreign office brief except perhaps a sandwich in capri sun in. Spongebob squarepants lunch. Well and not sandwich definitely wouldn't have mayonnaise and i don't know jerry's our not obviously a red meat. Inferring funding work very closely in the trade brief because of the australia trade deal in particular the trading business commission scrutinized and made recommendations for movement on. She's a i mean she was sort of notionally a remain. Ah but his certainly rejected that label. Since then. we'll we'll wait and see on the foreign in the you're saying. I think her replacement in trade is quite concerning to me for various reasons one. I'm rachel indefinitely. A eurosceptic very heartened but says on sunday a bit of a climate change sceptic on that concerns me because if the balance of our trade is going to move away from on nearest trading partners to would says feather way that is going to have a detrimental impact onell of carbon leadership in the world on. She oversee is probably somebody. That doesn't catch you much about that. So i think that's worrying to the world not just the uk in what you think of the timing of the reshuffle. It was sandwiched between an opposition. Vote in universal credits that big announcement of the uk us. Australia defense cooperation agreement. There were also some raised eyebrows that it came at the very final stages of the spending review departments literally in the middle of negotiating their budgets for the next three years and there were some people questioning whether you know bringing new secretary of state into department at this stage might basically end up softening it budget wise. What do you think. I wouldn't worried too much about that. I mean my main thoughts were ready with what it says for the election. You certainly get the sense that this is the team. That will lead the tories into the next action. That doesn't mean we need to get over. It sort of exciting thing without w means is happening in that. Probably it is going to happen including to the timetable. We saw some sometime in twenty twenty. Three in may twenty twenty three. But you don't you don't even look at it because it involves some big names. Because i think surprisingly figures like williamson actually went to the back benches rather than being given another position on the front edge. People should have allowed. This is actually quite a meaty big on me but ultimately when you could get the vast majority of people. Staying in place is really just a handful. I mean literally sort of a handful to the big names that have shifted around and it looks like an election footing. And it's not entirely. I mean most of the time you can sort of see you can just about see the argument. Obviously not with nadine doors. I suppose within the dean doors you would say. She's written a book and she's been on. Tv so that for tackling stories still too soon still to come back with buckland. yukon buccaneers. The victim of being someone. Who's very so. We had to go to make to make way so you think there is. There is some credibility to the speculation that buckland basically the main reason you want is to make a vacancy to mate rabid. Oh absolutely now. He's done nothing. I mean you look at the other. People that have been tucked govern williams and hasn't made it through a single month in that post without a really major scandal against him. The same general has been perceived. Bus leaves allegations. I mean that is just not the case of buckton. Whichever way you look at it. I mean he had a pretty clean record. He was shifted out in in order to get raw. This trust you can argue that. The same thing is happening to her. The ones happened to boris johnson. Which is you're flying quite high. Admittedly store caliber be considered to be flying high. But she is so you put her in the foreign office. Which is you know makes you feel really good about yourself one of the upstate his estate but as well off to the side where you call too much of a mess of things unless of course you're you'll military operations in afghanistan happened to end while you're on holiday and and really. That was what to resume did with boris johnson. It didn't work. For theresa. May from enough..

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"european convention human rights" Discussed on Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

03:35 min | 10 months ago

"european convention human rights" Discussed on Remainiacs - the Brexit Podcast

"Welsh whatever his the thing they've already launched an attack before brexit those to try to make it advisory but then brexit happened and it was fucking we hit brexit in counter intuitive ways short up the european convention partly because it just took up the fucking bandwidth and they just didn't have time you know they would say things like we will get to this. The moment of needs do this massive shit storm. We've created hit. The second part was that when they actually find the document the security chapter three of the brexit deal actually kind of forced you to stay with the hr and said look. If you don't then we're going to remove what security corporation. It's not clear whether the rest of the deal survive. I mean mesa think it would that all you do. Is you lose the security corporation pop and no one really wants to fucking lose that. So now they've got this panel and it's just like what are you gonna go. You can either say you can go the whole guns. Oh sort of way. Just look fucking. We're going to just put out of this motherfucker. I'm gonna take you know the new deal. Hr basically you're saying you know collapse your security cooperation. We just give detroit you or you can go back to the corner things they would try and do before and less than like a community in in domestic courts. See how that would fly. How much of a campaign. There'd be from the europeans. My guess would be on the latter purely because if you look at the judicial review bill if you look at the way the buckland. His has responded things rather than tell. It's a bit more incremental. It's a bit more new instance a bit more subtle. It's a bit more step by step. It's less sort of this. Fire and brimstone reactionary shit so on that basis. I'd be getting. They're they're gonna probably and unprepared to eat my words on this because they can always outdo themselves and being complete bastards but i think probably will be the more increments with the option gracie fitness that in probably singing. Yes yes human rights. I like those that good. What specific right so. We talked about as being under threat. If this act is is amended repeal changed from its current state the human whiteside protects lights important things it protects all by to freedom from torture freedom from slavery our private and family line hyman correspondence of freedom of expression of freedom of belief and religion of rights non-discrimination our right to liberty. I mean these fundamental freedoms in some of them may be protected in some ways in in in other areas flew by. I think the key point is the government has said it also wanna take any of these rights specifically what it's very likely to try to do is waken the mechanisms that means that we cannot use the human rights up to tactile so it might make it harder to bring legal case for example or at the public authorities are actually required acts compatibly without human rights so before we even get to something going wrong and having to go to that. She's not pro active duty on them and that could be taken away. Government is also supposed to look at the laws making and check that they are compatible with our rights and human rights about the strongest mechanism looking at the current rock of legislation before us. But something might so. I think it's not that the government is necessary to strip away any particular ryan. It's just gonna put them further out of reach for all of us power dot sickly saving that we don't pull out of the european convention human rights time saatchi gonna mean more people end up having to go to strasbourg to get a ruling that says that rights have been violated whereas the it's much easier to happen in british colds. The whole thing is kinda self defeating..

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"european convention human rights" Discussed on Legally Bland

Legally Bland

07:42 min | 2 years ago

"european convention human rights" Discussed on Legally Bland

"I mean that's not explicitly like anywhere anymore but like theoretically. It's still possible to discriminate against on Mario families on a constitutional basis. Which is just ridiculous. And I mean Tear Ashley. Obviously practically in the context of when this case happened. It wouldn't have been grazed. Theoretically it would have been absolutely no hassle to recognize Nikolas on Detroit's as a natural father. So as I say like you can still discriminate against on married for these are non-marital families and that's like a constitutional basis because it's still in the constitution that the family is based on marriage. It's just the mind. Setting boggles so in terms of adoption with the introduction of article. Forty two a which was inserted by the Children's referendum which is talked in episode. Two if you want to hear more on that so now. Considering adoption they take in the best interest of the child. But it's still. It's still a very scary situation for on. My father is because even in the context of access. A father doesn't have right of access to his child. The child has the right boxes to his father if two therefore their which. I'm not saying children shouldn't have rights. That's not where I'm going with this. But it's just an interesting framing of the right stash. They're willing to recognize children's rights but not recognized. The father's rights at all and there are still issues or end on my father's like becoming guardians. So there are several ways. But there's no automatic guardianship for folders and like in the case of Nikola had Nikola Been Guardian. He would have been able to object to the adoption and never would've went ahead and married parents automatically of guardianship. So if you're a married for their you automatically have guardianship what if your own mind for there. There's a couple of very complicated rained by ways that you can get guardianship. You can apply under section six a of the guardianship of infants Sixty four you can get a statutory declaration with the consent of the mother so that was inserted by the Children Auction nineteen ninety-seven and you can automatically like quote unquote because my guardian. If they're on for their with the child's mother for twelve months three of which most of follow the childbirth which was inserted by the children family relations ships as and fifteen. So it's seen as automatic. Brits Really nauseous. Because it can be approve. And there's so many issues days been in some steps forward in case law so in the case of JK and VW which the ninety s and on my natural father has the right to apply for guardianship. Like you can apply to forget you in shape till the case comb home but you've no rice of ship which is just too. Yeah so there's nothing also on this point there's nothing for quote unquote like defacto families in the constitution so the ECHR. Which is the European Convention? Human Rights the E. C. H. R. H. Which is the right for a spectrum pro family life recognizes defacto families? Both the Constitution does end and if there's a conflict between the HR and the constitution. The constitution prevails so defacto families have no constitutional standing in Ireland. And I don't know like usually it's women. Historically that have been on the suffering end of things for this like gender bias. Women stayed home and men work and Mendome children but on married for. They're not in a position either. Yeah it's historically historically everyone got the short end of the steak but definitely nowadays fathers I think are just even the fact that like you could like no one's mandating the discrimination against defacto families but if someone wanted to they call it like if someone in the government decided to legislation which completely benefited Marshall Families on disadvantaged defacto families like. You can't do anything you could do. Something from the point of view of maybe the HR put constitutionally. There's nothing you don't have to stand on normally when we talk about these cases like when Alana spoke about McGee which was a case from nineteen seventy four contraception. It's so hard to imagine because it could never happen again because society has changed so much Nicolette could still happen like not the exact same Fox put they still. They still scope for on my father's just to be completely ignored. I mean I wonder I don't know it's hard to know like have it's actually playing out in if it's a family level obviously because we don't you know most of those court proceedings are heard in common Ireland which basically means they're you know it's still public administration of justice but they're private so they're not reported. We don't know the outcome of them. There could be Niccolo type cases happening right blasted Andrea Bush. I I live more predict that. It's just they're like they're skirting around it. Do you know what I mean. Like they do other things to avoid. They've probably moved on from calling. Ordinary voters rapists like explicitly. Boy with a bit of an overhaul shirt they also think in terms of like these things also sometimes think it's like a value judgement thing with people that they're like. Oh well it doesn't apply to meet like it is a rights issue and therefore a human rights issue but you know the issue like unmarried fathers. I think a lot of people think it doesn't apply to me the reason I chose Nikola actually for this team as opposed to like a different human rights case or like focusing on different human rights as opposed to you know natural for those right is because I'm so sick. This is lost Eden problems. I'm so sick of being ash parties or functions. This is obviously pre cova locked in on people are like they asked me what I do in College. I tell them ideal they are. They telling me how much they love human rights and I say a really like trying to open up a conversation on the immediately jump on the like human rights issues which air prevalent things like genocide. What like they don't care a smaller human rights issues if for want of a better wage for every human rights issues. I don't know it's a frustration. I have. It's a pet peeve. I have so the Marla the story I mean human rights more like human wrongs because we cannot stop shafting each other and the only realize there are no rules. It's just no human rights disheartened me as much as invigorates me if that made sense so there's nothing particularly uplifting episodes. It's no border maintain but just hot too hot to be Edge Yeah I suppose. We both don't cases in the numerator and in my case enumerated rights context of the Irish Constitution. We might come back to you. Human Rights in the more international session and others Bush.

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"european convention human rights" Discussed on The Tip Off

The Tip Off

11:10 min | 2 years ago

"european convention human rights" Discussed on The Tip Off

"SABBARI's just gotten out of police cell to to find out his and Trevor Bernie's offices have been raided. It's a lot to handle. We bumped into the people from our office. Everybody sent right. We need to go. I think we need to get our heads right. This and I can remember saying well. I'm just going around the corner to cash machine and just walking off and getting the bustle. Dan Muller's just to see memorial because you couldn't phone or because you haven't got a phone and then thinking I'll just stay here tonight an waking up at three. AM unrealized in that it broken mabille because mcbeal was then. I had to stay in my own house. I think Oh God they're gonna come knocking on the door from the first of October. Our campaign started. This was an attack on press freedom. It was a bite catching the whistle blower catching the sources sending a message to the other journalists this saying don't ask the the awkward questions because if you do you'll end up in a police cell so out in the real world barry trial lawyers started working on a legal case from the US Alex Gibney was is getting involved to shouting about injustice and supporting where he could and they found some pretty incredible stuff. It turned out the main suspect for the massacre that that reported don well. He was the prosecution's main witness to people who they were using against us. The police had to prove reputational damage and the only way made the day could reputational damage was to go to Ronnie Hawthorne and say Durrani Hawthorne Ronnie. Did you see film. Oh yes at that. What did you think of with ops terrible which goes to investigate Romney because he said he has Iraq killing company or goes. Nobody wants to employ me anymore. Nobody wants me to kill rats anymore not very bizarre dot. They tried to stop boss publicly revealing that. Hawthorne was there me and prosecution education witness. They lead detectives against us. try to get this imposed on our bill that we couldn't speak about the witnesses. Mrs were even though we believe it should then ludicrous nature of the whole supposed- investigation the team soon realize realize this case will come down to arguments some pretty fundamental issues crucially it was our defense is this thing or article ten of the European Convention Human Rights and it says the journalists we have obligation to protect sources how we can expose wrongdoing when we find it but what the the trying to do us under was the section five of the Official Secrets Act which would have compelled all journalists the heart all material back did you weren't. I'm delighted if confidential government material comes into your a journalist possession journalist hostile Honda but they if they have one every journalist wouldn't have been lied to us that material they would have had the handed back. It was the first time that these two competing arguments principles. It's worth being tested against each other and a court of law and that's why it was so crucial for journalism that we had to win this. They realized was a case about far more than just them. It was a case it would create important case. Lofa gentlest in the future journalism was on trial here in the run-up to the trial bar in Trevor spoke out trying to get everyone and anyone to listen we go to westminister and we meet Lebron pays and Tori. MP's SNP LIBERAL SDLP rate across the board with her photograph taken with everybody with Boris Johnson and Tom Watson George MacDonald anybody who wanted their fade getting photographed with us. We did the mumps past for the men still on police bail. I'm and one by one organizations from across the world came out in support of Barry and Trevor Reporters Sans Frontier the Reporters Committee for the defence of the freedom of journalistic journalistic guy always forget their name in Washington today sent lawyers into the court the Media Lawyers Association which is the BBC The Guardian Old Bank Bank heavy hitters shame duly assistant general secretary of the National Union of journalists talking to the press outside the courthouse. This is an enormous public incest case this is not just about the right of Darnest isn't about human rights we have here to workers whose tunes have not being confiscated on the basis that soon doesn't like what they have gone be arrested on Puerto Complaint by the TSN. I E yes I despite the involvement of the next iron horse have let this investigation and today we stand here insulted IRA would our journalists would our members to maker because yet again we are being made the target we will not stand for that but if some notable absences to the high profile people that would often criticized foreign governments for repression of the press when silent people like then foreign Orange Secretary Jeremy Hunt Hello. I'm Jeremy Hunt. I'm here in Ethiopia for World Press Freedom Day and I'm here to highlight an issue that we need to be talking about more. Which is is that the basic freedoms that journalists need to do their job under threat all over the world last year ninety nine journalists were killed in the course of doing their Ajab another three hundred and fifty were imprisoned think there's an irony that Jeremy Haunting Amal Clooney and everybody else in the if every right to expose attacks on press freedom we are here because it's never been more dangerous to report the news and I'm honored to be asked contribute legal proposals on steps that governments can take to improve the protection of journalists by being the chair of a new independent legal panel? I support them one hundred percent when they're doing that but I think there's a certain huge spoonful of hypocrisy when for ten months don't they knew what was happening to travel Barney and our families and they did nothing. They never asked one question. They never asked to meet us. They never asked the AINU J. A. Produce. They never amnesty wrote on countless occasions asking them and it was just silence. I I don't know how serious they are about defensive press freedom. I just don't say hi you can ignore what happened on your own doorstep on the twentieth of May Two thousand nine hundred ninety nine months after they were first arrested. The day of the trial finally came over the course of three days bar in Trevor's lawyers argued that the freedom you must press to report was at stake here that Ah journalists had done exactly what they were supposed to do to protect their sources and there was no evidence all to suggest the document had been stolen by the defendant Barry Watch off from the court bench. He wasn't totally show what to make of it but things seem to be going. Well still these processes hostesses along. They weren't expecting judgment. Then monmouth cases like this often need a lot of mulling over the judge could take up to six months to hand down the ruling soon. It came time for the summing up to bring the haring to close on the thirty first of May Tan Pasta off. The court was absolutely debunked wasn't standing room. David Davies Dettori and pay was there are lots of different politicians came and went and I think the the judiciary saw because of the the the press coverage attended saw that this was a serious case and the judges rose and they said we're raising the kiss is finished but we're we're going to come back with an indication. We were expecting not to hear anything for six months. Within literally five minutes the reappeared and said that we had done absolutely nothing wrong. We acted at all times within the law and appropriately the key thing was that we had abided by the days code of ethics and that journalists are entitled to protect heck sources doubt as the crucial thing in the kiss that is illegal right up until the minute that a production order is served a journalist can destroy whatever she or he thinks is to protect the source. That is the law. We faded that we we've been totally vindicated. Burying Trevor were ecstatic. The judge told the court the material that was before the judge an immaterial which was subsequently demonstrated to us does not indicate that gentlest acted in anything anything other than a perfectly proper manner review to protecting their sources in a lawful way. He went on to say they were doing just what the National Union of journalists required them to do with forgot protecting the identity of their sources broadcasters Trevor Bernie Barry McCaffrey and their legal team carrying phones and documents which were seized from on them by the police inside a white van the rest of that items including computer hard drives the journalists were involved in a documentary trey about the lock in Ireland killings and it was after that that homes were searched and thousands of documents seized but it wasn't quite over yet. The judge has ordered the police to return the computer files and finds back to journalists and wants to destroy all copies of the material finding that they're being taken inappropriately. Police have say that they can't destroy this this material because it is all backed up on tip rather than digital another big cost millions to added into spliced PIP. The police want to hold on to this material which the courts have already told them they are illegally holding the place are Nice saying that they want to hold onto this material illegally for another ten years. It's not about arcus. It's not only press freedom but it's about the protection of individuals vigils if a court tales police or police force that they have illegally obtained information and they have to destroy that information. I'm sorry I have a police. Force can't say oh no sorry. We want to hold on it for another ten years. That's just not acceptable and that's the situation where we find ourselves in and we feel that if the police aren't compelled to do what the court has instructed that this is a major breach of data protection and a major breach of human even right.

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"european convention human rights" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

National Secular Society Podcast

15:44 min | 3 years ago

"european convention human rights" Discussed on National Secular Society Podcast

"You could really see the tensions of freedom of religion planet it <hes> and when i say this. I don't just mean that. I won't say taken representation. You know one person from each of the cycle six religions. You know christians sangha price things not a delay theus. Nah muslims are and so on <hes> if he won't avoid seeing being <hes> <hes> seeing freedom of religion purely legal issue. You've got to achieve <hes> people by the reality <hes> ah in laws <hes> so you need those thighs messy case studies of of water is to them personally and on the <hes> the just just <hes> the sheer range of examples so i'd want to reset really heavily in in lift religion adam but i think you clearly would also need to to do that taxpayer <unk> of the legalities of it of questions <music> ov- over rights that must be on questions just religion or belief that wider wider wide issues of citizenship of high social society should work out framing as well. I guess it was easy. We just give give students a post it note with the text of nine written on would it wouldn't be about stones <hes>. I'd like people to to really understand that. I'm not sure <hes> <unk> <hes>. Do i think is one of the i'm sorry to get off topic but one of the slightly distressing things many distressing addressing things abides debates following the referendum is poorly people understand <hes> aw something like the european convention human rights and wet outfits with <hes> <hes> with all on. I'm quite got by that particular when it's when speaking to seem to have some of these mistakes <hes> apologize i stray from from the hugh hand you've not seen are exploring growing sectors and resources yet so dot guinea points for not just saying n._s._s. Your resources have got absolutely perfectly right. The religious education is the best subject to explore these issues or does it need to be linked with a wider wider so a few a wide humanities <hes> citizenship politics <hes> curriculum. I think <hes> arrays all bisley one of the subjects where these issues come off <hes> and already concerned contribute a huge <hes> and other subjects just don't have the same amount of time to guy three nights sarah expiration of different religious non-religious wealth fees and the way that they interact with the lawrence civil society so you always go to really crucial play <hes> boss. I want to claim the oriented the only place where you can or should <hes> discuss freedom of religion now which is not want to speak the rest curriculum but it's not gonna stop me consistently see a place for other subjects say history is one radio obvious place <hes> plenty of opportunities to explore religious conflicts. I'm religious freedom in history. English offers great opportunities you you <hes> literature can be a fabulous way exploring freedom of religion depending on what upset text you're using. I would imagine the aspects of human geography <hes> might be really useful hair and sociology as well <hes> so yeah there were there were places where this can also be discussed <hes> but i don't think there should be much of a surprise tolerance respect individual liberty all we'll call all fundamental valleys <hes> <hes> and that's going to be seen as a whole school so <hes> i would be reading if we thought the engaging with freedom of religion was exclusively the job of already <hes> <hes> i think i think it'd be real problem industrial. If that was the attitude that they took what was he none of this. This is to downplay the wonderful contribution already can make <hes> bought. It's always an element within wider education. It's it some negative relates. The rest of the curriculum it doesn't take over the whole curriculum really spoken about the importance of understanding understanding different people's religious perspectives when it comes to the clash of rights and although i wanna push back on push back on that a little bit whilst whilst acknowledging the importance of the point there is among somebody just people who view religious freedom as being about their but teach teach impose religion of when they disagreed with its because people don't understand their religion and this is sort of a distorted view of religious literature. I say so if you understood my religion better. You'd understand why i need this exemption. If he had more religious literacy you'd understand assigned why i wanted to discriminate in this case <hes> yes <hes> i wouldn't want to be clear <hes> <hes> i'm not suggesting that <hes> <hes> you should learn more about other religions because with that increased understanding and <hes> it <hes> explains why dr orgin should be given a free pulse on whatever the issue might be <hes> <hes> if we're talking about what rights responsibilities we have in all pluralist society <hes> <hes> they're all laws of land that we're all subject to and we've got a democratic process by which we can address those and i. I'm very happy with that without system. We have would only mean is that if you don't have the proper granting in <hes> <hes> where the other person's coming from it's really hard to empathize with them. It's really hard to understand why <hes> why does that. They have so much more likely to just wants won't dismiss them as just wrong <hes> oh no understanding understand the issue in having some reprehensible grandson'll vs paths if you really get to grips with one is that coming from the place that they all it makes it easy nia to engage with it means you can have a civil sensible compensation about stuff now. I'm not saying that that means that <hes> <hes> e- that necessarily say okay well <hes> does a a sort of religion carload that means that everything else can be bypassed with full rights and responsibilities as a constant negotiation going on in society in amounts that how it works. I guess you could have a very detailed understanding of the diverse religious views on l._g._b._t. A quality <hes> to use the example schoolwise comes up and you can have great great and well developed sense pamper fe for people with different experiences and still just say well yeah but this antidiscrimination law is the law and you you can understand someone's position and this and disagree with them but i think there is often religious literac- see just just as religious freedom is often used as a code word for something which i think is religious freedom of religious literacy is often use. The code word full full agreeing with all acquiescing to yeah. I i mean <hes> on very clear in in more of the <hes> the <hes> <hes> we'd go protected characteristics <hes> <hes> <hes> <hes> equalities legislation <hes> and that means the <hes> the rights of <hes> l._g._b._t. People protected that as they should be <hes> and <unk> <hes> the fact that there might able they're all people who <hes> <hes> might take a different view of that on the basis of that religion well. They're entitled to have view but it's not entitled to ignore what the law of the land is <hes> <hes> <hes> so i'm i'm not saying in any way understand about religions <hes> side that can somehow delores laura's that that's not what i'm saying. I'm saying understand. The religion said that you realize why things all content in the way that they all <hes> <hes> y dyer is <hes> <hes> amazon whatever the issue to the you'll considering his <hes>. I'm i'm not saying that <hes> in the liberal pluralist society we should <hes> necessarily give up any of these catholic one <hes> rights at that we have as a good way of putting up a one <hes> potentially contentious <hes> religious writer more religious freedom adjacent issue within the world of already is <hes> the right to withdraw from religious education. She'll so <hes> being a a right for parents to withdraw that children turned from religious education full always hundred and fifty s nye <hes> and it's <hes> it's a function of the history of the subjects checked which used to be religious instruction <hes> and <hes> said this royce of withdrawal parents withdrawal autry who is very much intended to safeguard the religious freedom of office children and i'm stay after school. Religious instruction was not in accordance with the religious identity that you had would be able to are you withdrawing from ed classes on the subject has changed over the years and i would hope <hes> the ole-ry is something that every child in the country would benefit from that roy said withdrawal will is still fast now. It's now tied up in in the european legislation on the key issue being the parents still have the right for children to be educated according to <hes> <hes> thera- at philosophical tenets so parents do have that ryan of which rural and it would be necessary to show that the subject is his objective critical employer listrik full people to be <hes> no longer having the rights of withdrawal from the subject object now. That's a really difficult thing to guarantee in legal terms <hes> obviously i want to try and make sure that the curriculum is objective critical tortoise. I mean who wouldn't want. That's already sensible education <hes> thing to be tried to see in legal legal terms vary halter guarantee <hes> we've still got some schools where <hes> individual teachers might be appointed because of that <hes> religious position the ticket the heads of departments schools <hes> so you could easily say while the delivery of the subject therefore might not be objective critical pluralistic <hes> <hes> we've schools where religious authorities have a role in setting the curriculum now those sororities will <hes> be striving to try and provide an education which they would argue is subject to christian pulisic <hes> but i i think it's quite likely that the colts <hes> would find it hall to <hes> to go along with that that line if that was <hes> some sort of test case should the right which talk be taken away <hes> now the really frustrating thing here is that there are increasing numbers of people he will using the right i to withdraw role for ways that the law was not intended originally so some people are using it full islam-phobic and anti semitic raisins and we see old template letters produced by some <unk> organizations encouraging parents to withdraw that children saying saying i don't want my child to the mosque widen it will much outlined by islam and parents have not right to withdraw talk and they don't actually have to justify why that doing it so this is this is really difficult. Those children who are being withdrawn for what looked like islamophobic islamophobic reasons are exactly the children who i think would benefit the most from <hes> but we've got this problem. <hes> that fa very sensible human rights reasons parents all are entitled <hes> to withdraw <hes> that children's should they chase now. There's a a lot of people in the world have already. I'd say the majority of people in the world of ori who want to get rid of fat reuter withdrawal and they say the subjects moved on. It's it's time mm to get rid of it and the recent commission on religious education <hes> made a recommendation here and and i think some people would rather disappointed to see the recommendation was not to get rid of the right of withdrawal and now the commission did this because i think it recognized the legal problems which is too difficult to get around. I'm i'm inclined to agree with the commissioner <unk> swim so i think what we need is a <hes> guidance for teachers on hacked to deal with <hes> <hes> parents making what looked like islamophobic requests and good guidance. Just come from <hes> <hes> n._h._c._d. National station teaches and not try. National association of teachers worry <hes> but i think the government needs to do more hair. I think needs to make shoulder heads understand exactly what they cannot come to a warped sense they have on the things like prevent <hes> <hes> see flag up issues of concern and and for the focus to be on dealing with <hes> prejudicial behavior as i'm a favorite behavior and his many behavior rather than getting tangled tangled up it will. I think we'll be fruitless legal argument whether parents should have that right of withdrawal yeah i it is one of the things that.

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"Go a week. I need to tell. Wait. Awesome. I appreciate it. Wants to this is not what he wants to into. What? Now, they grab the handcuffs. And they start to arrest. And they take his bible, and he just peacefully says, please don't find just don't take my bible away. Please don't take my bible away. This is something if you see this video is like from some dystopia futuristic movie that you that you hate. That's england. And soon we'll be here. We'll mall writer from faith wire. How're you doing? Well, I Glen how're you doing good. I know you've been following this in in England tell us what's going on. Yeah. It's a crazy crazy story. I mean, it just it popped up on Twitter the other day this video and looking into it. It was very clear that I'm really this guy. He was preaching done naturally. Nothing. Wrong was just expressing himself is just basically preaching to people who've heard listen when they walk composite done. Nothing wrong with two wasn't threatening anybody for colds actually, split the metropolitan place about it. And they said to me that the pace for cool because he was supposedly being Islam associate allow was quickly denied few minutes later. He wasn't being islamophobic until I was just his eye on the police officers. They said didn't. So he's basically just preaching and clean it up. Just a few people gathered around one best plays with them. And the officers say best side and decided that we die one you here anymore. So the the you can sit in the video that you just said he. The officer offensively said that he was preaching peace, which he wasn't. He wasn't inciting violence. She wasn't doing anything illegal under the law. So he said, well, you'll breaching people walking us you'll causing day, and nobody wants to hear it basically say that was interesting Coleman. And so then he he basically much them off the arrested him and much more, which was completely unnecessary. I actually came out today that he that affects the peace told me that they then took out the station realize they can charge him with anything realize it done. Nothing wrong. And be arrested him was the phrase. Let him go. Yeah. I'd never had that one theater. You know, it's amazing to me will is here in America. We just had these radical preachers preaching hatred preaching race riots. And they were on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and innocent kids are listening to it. They're blamed for causing breaching the peace if you will being racist. And nobody said anything about the preachers who were just absolutely vile. But you don't have freedom of speech in England. Well, we in some senses, we have freedom of expression and the European Convention human rights or just pause the UK human-rights not Jay that's that. Should give us a sense of freedom of expression, but take the laws that govern how EBay in the public square if you're inciting hatred or violence and. That can be legal. But it was clear that he wasn't doing this. So he was basically just expressing himself putting on opinion in in the public square, and there's absolutely no grounds to to arrest him after say, yeah. And I mean, there's another interesting aspect in that the police officer you can actually hear him in the video Audrey snatches the bible though as much as horrible saying. And he says, oh, please. He says he should have thought about that before you being racist. And I asked the piece about his that she didn't get back to me on this particular point. Because I said you've just told me that she wasn't I Islam. It wasn't that ratio. He was projecting on anybody. The peace didn't hear any race racist remarks. So we'll also wall set about why suddenly. Suddenly accusing him thing racist. They didn't have just male now on it's amazing. These these were two white officers talking to a black Jamaican about being racist. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So the outrage has been pretty pretty big in the tip. Amongst like of clergy quality, people senior Christian leaders in the UK wanted to see more from the specific debris and a few other people to actually speak out in. This guy's behalf. Did she hit today that he the the guy in question to preach? He was eventually be arrested as the Mets he said and then dropped off somewhere. I mean, she had no money on him. So he basically didn't know what to do and where to guy or someone helped him out and he ended up going back to the south station. No Sunday and continuing on preaching. Let's get on. And let's say, well, what is the what's the health of the of of Great Britain? Now. I mean we yesterday in America. We we actually had half of the Senate. Refused to vote on saving children's lives after they're born in refuse to call that infanticide and force doctors to take care of a living baby outside of the womb. I'm shocked with with what we're going through. And because I know God is just I am gravely concerned about the health of my country. What is it a health? What direction is it moving over? There. Spiritually. It's a good question. I mean, I think we are and enroll we are in dire. Straits, many ways spiritual. I think there's there's lots of issues thing raised by Christian gym by Christian leaders. But then there's lots of issues I just think cost by the wayside. I mean, he's still probably bullshit and the UK well in Northern Ireland this led to different but in the UK as a whole as a in the mainland. That's the abortion laws since the sixties have been incredibly liberal mamas over three hundred thousand abortions every year. It seems to have just taken a real back. See? Why she's Archie important to Christians or to the people who are in the in the public square, and in the public eye as as Christian leaders, and then of course, see these situations where you think religious, freedom and freedom of speech. Just in a general sense is just being with it away. I know one bar smatterings of people on social media or our age by it on that note. There's no boss outrage. A to it just seems to be becoming more and more noble. And that's that's probably why we picked up on and sort of made the thing about our poets 'cause. I think it's vital that we do that. But that's just sort of passiveness. I think in the UK which is just very dangerous in overtime. I can become the normal. You know, those sorts of incidents become very normal when we don't even realize it anymore. We don't see any. We don't see any Democrats here leaving the Democratic Party. No matter how extreme they go antisemitic or or death, you know, with the abortion embrace. We don't see the Democrats leaving. But do I read this as a good sign that you had seven labor party leaders leave the labor party because they've gone too far? Yeah. Absolutely. The anti semitism stuff has been so brewing on the surface for quite a few months later. Politicians damn very very just frustration. Jeremy Corbyn on his inability to address the head on and that she take responsibility for it. So they they defected, and then as ABC's from conservative, and the fact that as well, no one's quite sure about about independent party. That's actually gonna let like it's definitely I think an encouraging sign the lease politicians on both sides. She's saying this is happier. This particularly on domestic stuff was horrendous. Mandalay thought he didn't deal with it. Get to see principal politicians that she come out and woodwork and standing things, but I still owe to go on that front will. Thank you so much for talking to us about this will stay in touch, we'll mall. He's a writer for faith wire. You can find him at M A U L. E underscore will follow him at Twitter. Also, find good faith wire dot com. Alright. I.

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