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SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"esau cruz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Yeah, I love Williams a beta I've loved him ever since I saw him for the first time fight on that ring city series during the pandemic and you know He really has come a long way since then I mean earned his place in the Golden Boy stable with that win over Tana Hara Tana Hara at that point was You could argue he was the a side of that fight He was the prospect at that time Williams a paid it went in and and beat him down pretty badly He's only done great things since then I do I do think Williams a paid as good as he is is Vulnerable to one specific type of fighter. I think the paid is vulnerable to power counter punches or guys that can punch in between punches We haven't seen Zepeda in against those guys yet a Tana Hara can't punch Renee Alvarado can't punch not at 135 anyway Jojo Diaz not a puncher, you know, even mercito has to not a puncher he hasn't been in with that guy, but that type of guy and You know good for Golden Boy for you know Leak guiding him in the way that they have but I do want to see what happens when Zepeda goes in with a counter puncher because he leaves himself a little bit open their core I don't know how much you you were picking up on that during the fight or how much you you buy into that but You know when I see Zepeda just unfurl, you know, eight ten twelve punch combinations, which are just you know majestic to watch at times not to get too carried away, but He's open and if he goes up against a guy Let's use your Vonta Davis as an example and that might be the most extreme extreme because he's probably the best Counter puncher not just in the lighter divisions, but all the boxing when it comes to power. I think he has a problem there I do I think he's gonna have to learn To be a little more defensive because when I like has to a couple of times during that fight I saw him clip Zepeda with counter shots. And if you're getting clipped by has to punch that's one thing if you're going in with a Gervonta Davis a Shakur Stevenson if you move up and wait, maybe Ryan Garcia could be in his future that's something you've got to be wary of I mean how significant a a I don't call it an issue because he's undefeated and he's dominating but you know How much of that is a kind of weakness in his game at this point? I mean that that is his weakness and that is that's the conceit that he's allowing here because if you are gonna throw 120 punches your hands aren't gonna be anywhere near your face most of the time That's just it. You can't really have it both ways now. Can he make some adaptations? Maybe carry his hands a little bit higher You know dip the volume down a little bit places punches a little bit more Maybe you know, maybe he can you know that the Williams the pay to the fought? Jojo Diaz when the bulk of his punches that he was throwing were jabs That's that's a little more defensively responsible version of willing to pay that but I think against Hesta He decided that he didn't have to do that at all I mean when you look at the the numbers that he was putting up that round three in particular Landing 79 punches in a round and I think 69 of them were power punches That's that's a full-on selling out for volume and power and it's a lot of fun to watch But yeah, of course, I mean so paid it does get in and he got hit by Hesta but he was just able to walk through it and He showed a good chin in doing that but we have seen Williams have paid a buzz before so there is a little bit of vulnerability but you know, I want to go back to that performance because it it That wasn't just a guy who was retreating to the ropes and just was there to be hit That was a pretty good fighter in Brazil has to who was throwing back and was landing good sharp shots And Zepeda was able to throw nonetheless So that was that's that's not you know, looking at the the undercard, you know Darius Folger and fought like Ricardo Luna and I think you texted me afterwards something about Luna. I'm with Ricardo Yeah, right, like that's that's a pun. You know, I've seen some people say yeah, it's impressive But you know, he was in there with a punching bag. We're seeing oh Hesta's not a punching bag He had ideas. He just ran out of real estate He was throwing punches Mercedo Hester was still throwing like 60-plus punches around but he was still getting doubled up by this guy This is an extreme physical test for anyone But yeah, I think that when when he gets in there with someone like Gervonta Davis or a Shakur Stevenson You know guys that have pop and could counter that's when things will get truly interesting for him No, I spent a little bit of time with us a couple of weeks ago at wildcard I know we had a plan like he and Marvin Samodio had I thought a Reasonable game plan for this fight. They knew they were gonna have to punch with him They knew to have to counter with him Yeah, it's just unfortunately that you know He has to just does not have the power to get the attention of a Williams to pay it And I thought it was it was notable early on you see Hesta smiling and laughing when when Zepeda is throwing punches I think Jojo said something during the broadcast where he said Some of the extent of you know Zepeda is not the most powerful guy in the world But it's just an accumulation of punches like, you know, the first, you know, 10-15 shots You might say this guy's never a lot of pop all of a sudden you're getting hit with like a hundred two hundred three hundred Within three or four rounds and you know, your night is is ultimately over so let's talk about the future for Williams a paid it because There's some pie-in-the-sky stuff out there golden boys talking about Tank Davis. That's not gonna happen Let's let's just be real here. Tank Davis is not fighting Williams a paid at any point time over the next six to twelve months Williams a paid in his team. They want Devin Haney I am not uncertain there Cory to say that Williams a paid it is not in the plans of Devin Haney in the Near or perhaps even long-term future Devin Haney is at 140 pounds. He is aligning himself with matchroom He's got a plan there to collect titles. Williams a paid a is not on the radar of Devin Haney So now you have to start thinking about what the best path is and look it's easy to throw out Shakur Stevenson as an opponent and I think that would be an excellent fight but if I'm golden boy the first thing I'm doing this week is I am lobbying the IBF hard because Williams a paid a is ranked number six in the IBF rankings the IBF for whatever it's worth there a Sanctioning body that kind of goes by the letter of its laws right like part of that's because they got rated back in the 1990s But there are a sanctioning body that does follow the rules so the top two contenders for that hundred and thirty five pound title, which is currently occupied by Devin Haney, but Devin is not going to be going back down to 135 to defend it It's it's available it's available to be had if I'm golden boy I am pushing hard to get Williams a paid a in one of those top two slots right now The number one spot is vacant. The number two spot is held by George kambosis and if I'm Golden boy, I'm thinking kambosas are he's pretty good But he's another guy without a lot of power and that's another guy's a paid a would have a great chance of just out Volume punching over the course of that fight So my advice to golden boy would be to aggressively lobby the people at the IBF To move the paid a from number six up to number two or even number one There are obviously some guys in between there but like he saw Cruz is between there and he saw Cruz is not gonna fight You know George kambosis He's gonna most likely get a shot at tank Davis maxi Hughes is there and I think we'd all like to see maxi Hughes Get another opportunity at some point because of how the kambosis fight went But you know it's a paid it with this win should leapfrog him. I think golden boy should be aggressive with this man I think getting a shot at the IBF version of the lightweight title and a shot at fighting George kambosis is the best chance the pay to can get a belt and if he gets that belt a Lot of other things start to open up for him at 135 you can start making cross-promotional deals You can start talking about a shakur Stevenson fight for a lot more money I think the focus should be on getting that IBF title and getting into a position to fight George kambosis Yeah, I mean, that's that would be a fantastic plan if they can enact that and you're right. I mean without a title None of these other big names have any reason to want to fight Williams the painter for one, you know He doesn't bring a ton to the table economically right now But also he's not a fun style to step in there against if you don't have something that you're going to win For for your efforts So but again like thinking of those names Chris like you have to like some paid-as-chances Of picking up a title if those are the types of guys that he would have to get through You know if you put them in there with an Esau Cruz or a maxi Hughes or a George kambosis I like some paid-as-chances in all those fights, you know, and you know I don't love making predictions because I never know whose fight I'm gonna call and they might call me afterwards and say hey You said I was gonna lose to someone but listen I get that all the time. Don't worry. Yeah I I wouldn't think you were out of line for picking Zepeda against any of those guys or even feeling confident in his Chances against any of those guys pretty in and kimbosis included so if they can make that happen then yeah things can start to open up for him if he holds a title belt because One thing Zepeda will have behind him again He doesn't have the the name recognition as of yet But he is that fan base is starting to grow you're you're seeing when he fights that like the timeline is starting to light Up a little bit. I frankly was surprised by the crowd that he brought out in Los Angeles and you know you and I have been to many fights at that commerce casino and Sometimes you'll see the crowd kind of dissipate because there are a lot of local ticket sellers and people will leave after their fighters have fought Everyone stuck around for William Zepeda. He was someone that the masses that were there wanted to see So I think that he is developing a following that those types of fighters will develop fans want to see them Get a crack at someone and fans love volume punchers like that because people feel that volume and pressure is kind of an antidote for The the slick boxers out there. They want to see guys like that test someone and if Zepeda can pick up a title He's gonna have the momentum that he needs to get even bigger fights Yeah Just to clarify women's beta right now number six in the IBF rankings maxi Hughes as I said number five He saw Cruz number four, but see Lomachenko at number three But he's indicated he's done for the rest of the calendar year and kambosis at number two with the number one spot currently vacant you've got a You got to make that your priority in my opinion. If you're golden boy, you've got to get him a title there There are other opportunities you look at the WBO rankings and you know Zepeda is right there as well but a couple more people ahead of him including the guy that you You call this fight. Angel Fierro is up there in the top five the WBO rankings But I just think Zepeda has got to look to get that IBF title shot You get that get an opportunity to beat George Campos a tough fight. Campos is good But again doesn't have fight changing power and that's the ant that's the kryptonite I think to William Zepeda as he gets into with these guys down the line. All right, so we will be in Orlando this weekend to call the Hitchens Jose Zepeda fight also in Orlando this week Will be Edgar Berlanga the undefeated super middleweight contender last seen beating Jason Quigley at Madison Square Garden Berlanga will be there to discuss his future with his promoter Eddie Hearn his manager Keith Conley I believe will also be there as well and from what I understand One of the top priorities of that meeting is to find a way to make it financially palatable For Edgar Berlanga to fight Jaime Munguia This is the fight we've been talking about really since Berlanga beat Jason Quigley It is a very easy to fight to make in terms of boxing politics Munguia is aligned with golden boy Berlanga, of course aligned with matchroom It is a tremendous fight either in New York or Southern California in terms of ticket sales right now there's some distance between what Berlanga wants and behind it presumably zone is willing to pay Edgar Berlanga, but Cory Berlanga to me has to find a way to say yes here has to find a way to say yes you look at his resume and He's highly ranked in among some of the sanctioning buys, but he's 26 years old He's 21 to know his last five fights have come against Jason Quigley Alexis Angulo Steve rolls your guy Marcelo Coseras and Daman Nicholson not exactly a murderers row of opponents you know to me if you're Berlanga, you're at a point where It's it's kind of put up or shut up.
The Corner
"esau cruz" Discussed on The Corner
"But number one pound for pound in the world. Big ass dude here. Advantages. It was a whole bunch of different things. Everyone has had advantages too. He was being a people in his weight class he was undisputed. And I meet you baval is higher. It should be higher than Devin Haiti. Beating canola should mean something. 'cause it's not like it's something he's in. Not only did he beat him. He won like ten rounds in that fight. He won more than they gave him. 86 fury 7, fury 7, damn near criminal. It is criminal because whether you should be higher than he needed to. But I don't know when to drop bud and went to Josh spans. They got to figure that shit out. Go figure it out. And then, yeah, and then I go tank. Oh my God. And Chaka. I don't know how you have tank car that secure. That's crazy to me. I was waffling on that. I just think javonte needs another win against a quality opponent because we don't know what Ryan is. We still don't. Like he, I know he beat a 24 year old. Yes, he beat a 24. I mean, but until the grown ass man. Like, even with Esau Cruz, we didn't know what Isa Cruz was. And he had a great show in that night, but we came to that fight like, who the fuck is this guy? Tank has done that a lot. They've been cleverly matchmaking him, but he has not beaten somebody that you were like, yes, it fought anybody. Even with Ryan, we didn't know what was gonna happen. But he was like two to one favorite hidden in that fight. Tank hasn't even came into a fight where it was like, ah, he might not win this fight. It hasn't happened yet. So I can't put him in the pound for pound, listen till I see him against a peer and so I think he's right on the outside. It's like watching Canelo come up. Triple G come up again. And you go see it. Yeah, it's like I see it, but I need to see more of it. Yeah. And then triple G ended up getting like two words. Yeah, Triple H was like, all right, you want me to fight? David lemieux is really hard. Fuck him. I'm gonna beat the brakes off of him. Triple G started mowing down names. Yeah. I need javon to start mowing down names. Yeah. My scary thing about javonte. That's why I vote for this. The night after the fight, day after you get all passionate and shit. My biggest issue with tank moving forward is he's almost two patient. And if he fights an opponent that does not give him that opening, I will tell you that I think tank loses in the next two years. Well, yeah, I think if he fights the core he's going to lose. Yes. Because Shakur is never going to give him that off. He fights Devin. Devin could not work him. What way? Probably a 40. He's definitely had 40. I might have to give Devin that. Again, Devin could outwork him. If Devin doesn't give tank what he wants, ten rounds fly by and tanks like fuck. Yep. Right? Fishing for a knockout. Yeah, that's how these things because that's what I wanted to see Ryan do. When that fight was first announced, I was like, if Ryan can keep him on the outside, before you know it, tank's desperate. Ryan didn't do that. Ryan was like, ah, let's go. Mexico. Found himself on his ass. I think I need to see tank beat somebody else. I need to see him beat a top 5 lightweight, where's Cambodia's ranked right now? I feel like I feel like that checks the box. Cambos is Cambodia's would be a good win if Devin didn't ruin his life. Yeah, but that's one guy who has his number, right? Then, I mean, if you knock him out, then where we got to see how Cambodia looks. I think Isaac Cruz is now a top 5. We got to see how kimbos looks in July. We got to see how he looks. If he looks like July 29th, if you don't look great, then we're all going to say Devin ruined him. Yeah, we'll be in the house too. Yeah, we'll be there for that. So I don't know. He's not, he's not in my top ten. I know some people are going to take it as a slight tank, but all their names, I'm not putting them higher than bent of either. Are we going to watch Rollie? You'll be there. I'm going to watch it. I got to see Rollie. And it's a fight that I'm like, the Cosmo, right? Yep. I love that video. Yeah, I'm gonna have to get tickets for my mother in law, 'cause now after she watched this fight, she thinks she's like, she's done this to me twice. And I gotta say this before I get out of here. My mother in law comes over and then she tried to tell me that she likes whisky, and I was like, oh, you don't. Yeah, whistle pig. I was like, you don't touch that. You leave my expensive shit alone. Just watch you drink proper 12. Don't tell me about no goddamn whisky. Now she thinks she's a whisky person. She will argue with me. I love whisky. It's like, no, you don't.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"esau cruz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"I'm talking about the second time. The first time was for undisputed, which I didn't the second time was for the IVF and then he did what he did with he didn't show up. But yeah, it was a ten day way and it was a ten day way in a ten pound way. Ten pound one. So look, you won that fight against Han by split decision. Did that impact your performance? No, the change of opponent impacted my performance. There was within ten days switching to a point or whatever it was. All right, so as you pointed out, Ryan García looks pretty good. I mean, I talked to him this week. He didn't look like he was having any trouble cutting down in wake. And to me, if you were to make a list of things I was most interested in, making weight for Ryan García was probably at the top of that list because look, he fought at one 40 in his last fight. That was back in July. He hasn't fought since then. He's a big kid. He's 24 years old. He's growing. Not to say that is going to be a difference maker in this fight, but the fact that Ryan García seems to be making weight in a fairly comfortable way, I don't know about you, but I think that bodes well for his chances. Like, I like to say, man, it's making weight right as half the fight one because making weight is actually just as hard to step into the ring and fighting for boxers. Because we know how much of a sacrifice it takes and we've been doing it for young kids. And you got to calculate it at the right time and if everything goes as planned, then there's no better feeling of, that's it. I made it now the easy part. I just got to go fight, making weight, it's such a crucial part. And yes, he does look good. Ryan García has youth on his side so he can take advantage of his body and actually shed extra weight and not feel weakened by it. When you design on your side, you can take advantage of it. I think Ryan García is going to, I think the stars are going to align for him. He's going to look, he looks great. He's going to look great. And I think when it comes time to fight, he's going to be an explosive fight because of it. I mean, everything's coming to fruition for him. So which of these fighters do you have more questions about coming in? Because neither one of them has great resumes. Ryan García has that win over loot Campbell. Tank Davis has that win over Jose pedraza. But then we're talking about Javier fortuna or Romero do not on Ryan García's side. Tanks bought some better known guys Mario barrios was a quality win for him, Esau Cruz was probably a quality win for him. Like, which of these fighters do you have more questions about coming in? I'm more questions about Tang Davis because like you said, the resume is iffy on both reports and I slightly like Garcia's resume and I tweeted that before and got a lot of stuff right. Yeah, I question thank David because one, we never seen him hurt. We never seen him drop. We never seen him face adversity. And we've seen Ryan García face adversity when he got dropped by Luke Campbell. I mean, that's a big thing right there. That's when you discover what type of fighter you are. It's sink or swim. And he passed the test with flying colors, came back and knocked out Luke Campbell. How is tank Davis going to react? If he gets dropped, if he gets rocked, then he gets chin checked, which he will, which he will. This fight he's going to get, he's going to get hit. And how is he going to react to that speed that power that surprised, you know, is he going to shell up? Or is it going to show out? These are questions you don't know because we've never seen it on these 28 years old and he hasn't been hurt. 'cause he hasn't fought champions. And Ryan García, even though he hasn't fought a champion himself, we spot former champions and he thought blue Campbell, who dropped them, gold medalists. And he was able to fight for some titles himself. So that's the big question. House tank in a react when he gets chin checked. Do you worry at all about Ryan García's defense because, you know, Ryan will tell you that, look, he's never been cut. He's face has never been beat up in fights, but Luke Campbell did drop him with one of those sweeping lefts that we know tank Davis is capable of throwing. And Bucky's flat footed. He doesn't move his head an awful lot. Like how concerned are you about Ryan García's defense against tank? Who will be the biggest puncher Ryan's ever faced? I've been very concerned from Ryan García's D times. He doesn't have upper body movement. He has a move his head. He doesn't react well when he's ever fighters get on the inside and break that range. He doesn't move a lot. He doesn't use the entire ring because he's so damn quick with his hands and he has so much power. So he hasn't had to do that, but he's going to have to do that against a tank Davis. And the reason he doesn't do that, not only because he has those attributes, but because of his trainer as well. Goosen, Joe goosen, he trains fighters to be flat footed, and Diego corral is Michael nunn. You had so many fighters. I had a lot of speed a lot of power, but they're tall lengthy fighters. So they didn't with power. So they didn't have to move. They didn't have to do all that. They didn't have to bob and weave like that. They rely on long jab, a big right hand, and go for the knockout. Ryan García, if tank, let me take that back. When tank gets in the inside, we're going to have to see how Ryan García reacts to that. Normally he just shells up. You're not going to be able to shell up against a power puncher like Tang Davis. How is he going to fight back once tank breaks that range, which you will? That's when we're going to see something special. I mean, everyone is choosing tank by knockout. I think this is going to be an explosive dangerous cipher both fighters that doesn't go past four rounds. I'm saying that I'm saying that this generation's Gen Z hagler versus hearns of war won three rounds, both of them got hurt. I still go in the exact same way. I don't know if it can be hagler hearns because from the opening bell those two guys were just trading and I don't see that happening in this fight because javonte is historically a slow starter and he's not a volunteer Garcia's book Garcia's a fast starter. He is. And that's why I think if Ryan wins, it's probably because he catches tank in the first 5 or 6 rounds. I think if it gets past 6, Ryan did a lot of trouble because, you know, I talked about this before, but I generally hate the idea or I hated when it said that, you know, guys are processing information in the ring or downloading information. Tank does that though. Like tank is learning on the fly and figuring out how to get to his opponent and he said, great point. Great fighters do that. Right, but he has said all along what they do. Not just the situation. They timed the speed. They timed the reigns, they timed the power to get a feeling for it. They want to see how hard a fighter hits when the shots are reflecting off the shoulders upper glove. And then once you get there it is dangerous to do that again. And I've said this, it is dangerous to kind of think too much against Ryan early on because you and I have been in those fighter meetings with Ryan García opponents. They never really kind of understand how fast and strong he is until the fight's over. Like it's oftentimes they'll dismiss it. Remember Manuel tago was like nah, that he can't hit. He can't do that any ran for 12 rounds. Like guys never really believe what Ryan's got until they're in the ring with them. You know, if tank gets too cute early on, Ryan's gonna catch him with something. Now later rounds, if he gets on the inside, huge advantage tank Davis because I don't think Ryan is going to be able to hang with the counter punching of tank. And I think Ryan's got to be really careful not to get over eager in this fight, not to do what role Romero did in his fight with tank last year, which was kind of lunging and then take a big counter shot because even when tanks punches don't look that hard, they clearly are powerful. I mean, that Raleigh Romero counter didn't look like the hardest of shots, but Raleigh went down and was out at that point of the fight. So I look at this fight, the first half, Ryan García, big advantages. Second half, tank Davis, big advantages.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"esau cruz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"He's looking for? And at one 68, I'd love to see him fight David Benavidez at the end of this year, but I don't know, there's nothing I've seen from Charlotte at this point that tells me he can be competitive with Benavidez. Benavidez is an elite guy at one 68 and Charlotte at one 60 has looked good but not great. So I think the short answer is no, he can't get back to the highest of levels at one 60 or one 68. No, he can do it at one 6th and a title. I'm kind of talking to myself for that Lara fight too. If you just stole the words out of my mouth, Laura makes perfect sense. Laura is a former champion. He's been around a long time. He has a name, and he's beatable, especially at this point of his career, nearing 40. And Charlotte, like you said, he likes to take these type of fights where they're known. They're aging champions or they're coming up. And he knocks him out, and he beats him. I mean, not for nothing when it comes to. It is only Lara, look at the fight that he had, fight of the year. At one 54. I mean, he's become a southpaw sniper and now he's becoming a banger because he doesn't have the legs to carry out 12 rounds anymore. So that just falls into Charles. You know, it falls into his realm, I guess. He can actually beat an aging fighter like Laura. But if it was old school or that sniper that can move and ring generalship pop that jab in front of them, then I would say stay away. But right now at this point, that fight makes the most sense. I'm surprised that he's going back to one 60. Like, he's a big guy. I'll grow a 160 pounds, but I guess he's going to go back there and defend that belt. I mean, it's probably going to be against a really low level guy in his first time back, but if Lara winds up elevated to the full champion at one 60, that's a pretty good showtime fight that you could make between Charlotte and Laura, 160 pound title unification fight. I kind of like that fight if golovkin winds up giving up his belts. I still have no idea what I want to do. We talked about this last week on the show, but he's given up one belt. I think he's probably going to wind up giving up this second one. And then, I don't know what the game plan is for him moving forward. He still wants to fight, but, you know, he's probably going to do is have his next fight without his title belts. I just think that's the most likely outcome there. All right, big fight this weekend is over in the UK. You've got Lee wood, 126 pound title holder. Full title holder after the mess with Leo Santa Cruz was figured out, he is going to face Mauricio Lara, who has made a habit of beating up Eddie Hearn opponents. This is a good fight. I think these two guys are going to go to war, Lee Woods talking about meeting him in the center of the ring. I don't think Mauricio Larry even knows how to box. Heck, he's just going to go abroad with him. Leeward could have faced a lot of guys in this fight. You know, coming off an injury. He could have faced a lesser opponent. Smart decision by Lee wood to take on Mauricio Lara. No, it was not a smart decision, but this is what boxing fans want. They want a champion to take big challenges. And whether it was a smart decision, no, but it was a marketable decision. It was based on the fans. It was based on the fact that he wants to clean up Josh Warrington's mess, is the fact that he feels he's the champ and he can take on all calling commerce and what a statement he'll make if he can beat just not even knock out if he can beat a fighter of this caliber. I mean he's a hard puncher. Lara's a hard puncher. He's relentless. He has that style, kind of like Esau Cruz, you know, the pit bull that gave tank everything he can handle. They have the certain type of style where they're always in your chest. The power is not going to be enough to keep them off. They know how to cut off the ring and auto fight on the inside. It's going to be very tough, very tough for wood to keep them off for 12 rounds. That's why I favor Laura to win by stoppage. So is it a smart decision? No. It is tallest. Yeah, man, I just think it's the wrong style matchup. I mean, Laura already knows what it's like to go across the pond and fight against the British fighter in British soil and he's shined. These are the type of fight that these Mexicans wait for, man. They wait for that phone call to shock the world, man. And they do it every single time. They don't throw caution to the wind. British wind. I can see, you know, look, it's not like Laura is Lara is a unbeatable opponent. Like, he comes in kind of crazy. He throws wild, he puts himself in vulnerable positions. And I think Lee wood is better equipped to face him than Josh Warrington was. Josh Warrington was always a little chinny, I felt. And Mauricio Laura took advantage of that just beating him up and Josh Warrington didn't have much coming back in terms of firepower. I think Lee wood is going to have something coming back. I think he's going to be able to absorb more of the punishment that Lara's going to dish out. I think he's going to be able to throw look, Lara leaves himself open a lot. Even his last fight that we call was an Emilio Sanchez. But he can take a punch and the fact that it's not that warrenton was chinny, it's the fact that Lara is a hard puncher. You know, he doesn't have a heart a hundred percent knockout ratio, but he has a high knockout ratio, but if you hear the sound of his power shots, when he land in how they affect opponents, you know that that power is real and it's going to carry. I want to see how a warranting is going to act, I'm sorry. Wood, wood is going to act when he gets clipped, man. When he gets hit in the chin, how is he going to react? And we're going to find out within the fourth or 5th round. And if he can take that power, then he will when he will out box lawyer, because like you said, he's vulnerable. But if he doesn't take that power, which I think he won't, he's going to get stopped. To be fair, Lara's been stopped before. It was early in his career in his career. It took a first round knockout. Early in his career. And it was at that wait. It wasn't like it was at a wrong weight. It got beat by a guy named Elliott Chavez. That was only 5 years ago. You know what? 6 rounder. I forget what it was. It was 6 rounder. I mean, those four 6 rounders are always dangerous. I don't take that. When you get knocked on the first round of it. But he's gone on a serious streak, you know. And Lee Woods been knocked out too. Like he was knocked out by, I'm going back. It's also run a square. Gavin McDonnell in 2014. So it's been a long time. Since wood was stopped, but both these guys have proven they can get knocked out. I think it's a great fight. It's a fun, relevant fight for a 126 pound title and the winner of this fight is going to be a player in that division for some of the big fights that we can make. Last thing for you. Josh Taylor has apparently moved on from his back and forth with Jack Adderall. Has ordered Taylor to face taya female Lopez in his next fight. That's a fight the top rank was already discussing. They promote both guys. So that's a relatively easy fight to put together. I asked you about the right move for Lee wood. Is it the right move for Josh Taylor to pass on the catalog rematch and go straight into a showdown with JPMorgan? I'm gonna keep it real again. Yes. Do not fight catalog and Cadillac is a wrong style matchup. You found that on the first fight, he's a strong, very short southpaw that just keeps coming. He knows how to fight. In compact spurts, he's explosive. He goes to the body. It's the timing that he has. Yes, stay away from cataract. Every fighter, every champion faces a fighter where they shouldn't fight them again. If they got by the first fight with a dirty win, a close win or even a draw, don't face them again. I had one of those. His name was Alvin Ayala. I'm telling you right now, I haven't Ayala was a hell of a fighter. Bring up his box record, 'cause he's only after he got to draw with me. He went 12 rounds with Arthur Abraham who was a beast knocking out everyone. So Alvin Ayala couldn't call this fight against Curtis Stevens, Steven stopped him. After it was latest career. Yeah, later in his career when he got, he was already getting beaten stopped. But yala was a damn good fighter. So when I got to draw with him and they asked me if I wanted to fight him, I said, no, 2007. And there's no shame in that because no one ever remembers that. He got knocked out by Abram though in the last round of that fight. Yeah, but he went 12. Until the 12th round. And that's when Abraham was not his middle world title fighter. And that's one. And that's when everyone was getting knocked out by Abraham. Were you going to fight Abraham if you won that fight? No, no. And
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"Game in a same game parlay and try out same game parlay plus. So download the FanDuel app today using promo code boxing, start making every moment more. This is boxing with Chris Manning. Now somebody punch him in the face. Anthony Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. Watch this. Hosted by SI's Chris mannix. That was my moment. Now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris mannix. I don't want to jump on the podcast to those listening on the audio version watching on YouTube. My Carpenter senior writer over at ESPN is here as well because we are in a precarious position when it comes to javonte Davis and Ryan García. For weeks now, we have been led to believe that this fight was signed, sealed, delivered for April 15th, it is not. Well, I take that back. The fight itself is signed sealed and delivered. The second fight is now up for debate, and that's what's holding up the possibility of the first fight. So Mike and I have been reporting on this for the last couple of days. And, you know, this is over the rematch clause. This was something that golden boy was led to believe in its conversations with PBC executives are people in the PBC universe, whether they're talking to. That they and zone would be in the lead for a rematch being Ryan García and tech Davis, which it can only be triggered by tank Davis. Ryan García does not have a rematch clause for this fight. When the contracts came back, officially, the rematch said showtime PBC were in control. You wrote about this on ESPN dot com this week. Is that basically where we stand right now where this rematch could potentially torpedo a fight on April 15th? Basically, Chris, and you and I are over the years, I've definitely seen fights torpedo over far OS. So I think this is definitely a major sticking point. And I understand Oscar De La Hoya's position here. He's saying, like you said, this only even comes into play if Ron Garcia wins. And mind you, Ryan García is the younger dog. No one most people I've spoken to all getting in much of a chance. I'm giving them a big chance, but I think Java is minus two 50 to win the fight. So this only team comes into play of javonte wins. So reasoning, you know, if Ryan scores the upset, why shouldn't his team his network be in the lead? That's pretty standard practice and getting boxing. The only time you don't see that happen, right, is in instances where there's a true true a site and a long shot under the dog. Anthony Joshua versus Andy Ruiz comes to mind, even Joshua usa, but that was a little different. We didn't have a major promoter behind it. I mean, imagine was promoting him. And then, you know, even if they weren't his name promote or whatever. It wasn't a big deal. Whereas here you have two big rival promoters, big rival networks. It seems only fair to me. Yeah, it's a shocks me that, you know, that we're talking about this as potentially being reason despite gets scrapped because I don't really get it from PBC side. It's not like they would have to take the fight against Ryan García. They could lose the Ryan García and say screw it, we're done. Now maybe Ryan García's too big. I'm gonna fight guys at one 30, one 35. There's no obligation on their part to take this rematch. And look, you know, you hear from certain people, golden boy, of course, feels like this is Al hayman trying to torpedo the rematch. People in the business, you know, they feel a lot of people feel kind of the same way about all this. I'm not going to put myself inside Al Heyman's mind when it comes to this. But it does feel like PBC is trying to exert all the control in this situation. And you know, you made the point, Ryan García is not some B side here. Like Ryan García is a legit star in his own right. If you make the list of the top 5 biggest fighters and biggest stars in boxing, top 5 stars, javonte Davis is up there at the top, orange Garcia's right below him. So I don't know. I'm trying to figure out how this gets resolved. Because this is the kind of thing Mike that is the kind of thing that people tend people tend to understand, right? They understand that they didn't understand the turns profit arrow spent stuff because that was like percentages and investment firms. And everybody kind of had their eyes glazed over when those two guys were talking about their issue. This is pretty cut and dry. Like, golden boy agreed to everything when it comes to the first fight. And they're just asking for some rights on the second fight. And if they don't get it, you know, you're talking to a lot of the same people I am. I get the sense. They're pretty dug in at this point. And they're not gonna make this fight unless they have the rights to the rematch. I get the sense that the other side is just as dug in. PVC. And I don't understand is if this is that big of an ordeal, why not just eliminate the rematch clause? You know what? We're confident in our guys going to win. He's the favorite. And I've seen people on Twitter saying, well, old Java Davis is scared. He's ducking, no look. I don't think anyone's scared. I don't think any fighter is Susan gervan Davis. This is PBC and showtime trying to exert their control and their influence here, in my opinion, trying to control everything. There's nothing to do with the fighter. But I don't understand why don't we ever just cut the promoters and networks out. Whoever they may be, whether it's PBC top ranked matcher, why can't javonte even come out and say, I'm not liking this hold up the fight. I agree. I mean, this now comes down to the fighters saying, look, why am I javonte Davis worried about the rematch? I think I'm gonna dominate rang Garcia. Why are we potential potentially lose like a 10 million plus payday over a fight that may never actually happen? That doesn't make any sense to me. But, you know, given that, these two sides are kind of, they're planning for a future with this fight doesn't happen. Like they're mapping things out here. What are you hearing about kind of where they might go if this fight all of a sudden falls apart? Well, I'm not sure PBC is going at the moment, but I do know that golden boy already reached out to Regis pro grace team for a fight with Regis at a 140 pounds for progress title and that's a fascinating fight. I love that fight. Do I want to see that fight over javonte Ryan García? Of course not. But I'm not going to cry about the fallback option. You could argue that's a much tougher bike for Ryan García, certainly. Bigger guy and more established guy a champion will be his first title fight. So they've already reached out to Regis progress team. Progra is all aboard. He's all in. As you know, he can't get a fight either because of his own promotional issues. So that could be the kind of the perfect marriage if there's this fall apart. But it seems like all the sites still want to make this fight happen. But at some point, golden boy has to plan something for a seer, right? I mean, you're supposed to fight in January and a team up against mosquito has to, he's not like, what's your sense of golden bull? What's your sense for the timeline here? I told they want to get everything wrapped on my Friday. Yeah. I think Friday is a little pie in the sky at this point. I do have a little bit of time. I mean, Ryan García is in camp right now. I don't know if javonte is officially in camp, but he just fought in January, so it's not like he's not looking at a full camp if this drags out for another couple of weeks, but it's not like there's this broad negotiation to be had. Somebody's got a blink at this point. I mean, look, Regis program would run to Ryan García's backyard to take this fight. Regis management team as you well know is kind of looking around going, where are the fights for this newly crowned 140 pound champion. They're just aren't any for him, at least not in the first half of the year. I'm very skeptical that golden boy would close with the Regis program. That feels like almost too tough a fight for Ryan to take after kind of mentally pivoting from that. That's tough. He's in kind of one head space ready for javonte. He hasn't fought since last July. I can see them fighting program. I mean, they have confidence, Ryan can beat pro grey and I think it's a very competitive fight, but I would guess they'd probably try to push that to maybe the summer where they could really build it out and have Ryan ready for it. If you're javonte Davis, we back to Esau Cruz two. Like what are we doing with javonte? Like it's not like he's gonna cross the street and fight one of the top ranked guys. It's not like he's going to suddenly challenge Shakur Stevenson on pay per view like this. And look, I get blowback on this all time. I broadcast for his own. I get it, but.
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"I think both those guys need to be unified champion 100% knockout ratio. Okay, but so Virgil Ortiz has a 100% knockout ratio. They're Devin Haynes of pound for pound or is the underwear? He's not a champion yet, better be of his unified champion with the other one. I'm saying Devin Haney is a 135 pound undisputed. So you say he should be on a list or no. No. He's right outside of it. 11 or 12. Like I said, because I'm not going to take out Josh Taylor. I'm not going to take off a beetle, and I'm not going to take off who was the other one. Better be of, was it? And I certainly am not going to take out better bit. That would probably be my number ten. Better bib. Yeah. And guess what? He's what? 37 years old. Seniority manics. It matters. Yes, it does matter, because you're old. All right, let's jump into some of these Instagram questions that we got for this. Let's start with Mike. Well, tank Davis fight a top 15 guy in December. Am I getting paid overtime for this? Yes, you are. What was the question? Will tank David? A top 15 guy in December. That's what he's scheduled for. Come on, man. Tank Davis is already who he is. They're promoting them to make money, not promoting them to be great. And you got to appreciate that as a businessman. You got to appreciate the fact that this kid doesn't mind making millions of dollars fighting people that aren't on the championship level. He's knocking them out. He's popular. He's a millionaire and Mayweather promotion is, you know, they're going in the right direction. Okay, you don't have a fan as a fan. I hate when you do this. I hate when you divide yourself into three parts, like fan boxer promoter. Like just be yourself. Answer the question. I am being myself. And I said, no, he's not going to fight it. Well, I think look, Esau Cruz fights this weekend. Certainly possible he fights his soccer in a rematch that nobody really wants to see. I don't know who else is out there between a 130, a 140 pounds for him. Like it's not a big section of weight classes for PBC. And it's just a bad look. Like the Ryan García negotiators are dead, they've moved on. Ryan's moved on. Everybody's moved on. I don't believe that fighting. And that's the reason people get upset with Garcia because they think that he cries wolf a lot. You know, the fact that he cried wolf? You hear tank Davis? He's not calling anybody out. No, the fact that this is willing to fight tank Davis is saying, I'll do this. I'll do that. I'll do that. But then it never happens. It's not his fault. No, it's not his fault. That's the point. It's just the politics and the business of the game. But I love the fact that he's doing that. It's tank Davis is not doing it. Hank David is not calling anyone out. He never he never says I want this man. I want that one. Devin Haney does. Ryan García. Should you? Should tank Davis be calling guys out? Yeah, because you know what, at this point of his career, even though everything's going good for him, people want more than that. They want a hero, you know? They want someone to get it inspired by. And then he's not inspiring anyone at this point. He's making a lot of money. And selfishly, he's doing the right thing.
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"Some of the top ten, I think Ryan can give a lot of these guys a lot of problem because of that hand speed quickness and ring IQ. Yeah, and he rehydrated Tim to a 148 pounds, which tells me that one 40 is a comfortable weight. Like, tell me if I'm wrong, but it feels like if you get within ten pounds of your weigh in on a rehydration, you're probably good. Like that's a healthy way to kind of rehydrate. That's not going up way too much at that point. So I think he's comfortable and good at one 40. He wants tank Davis. He's been very clear about that and even as we record this is still tweeting and doing whatever he does to try to get tank Davis to agree to face him. If you were part of team Garcia, if you were Joe goose and his trainer or lupe Valencia, his manager. And Ryan said to you, I'm ready to fight tank Davis. What would you say to Ryan García? Well, let me put the business hat on. Business had on hell no. I would not put my investment in the ring against a puncher like javonte Davis. No matter how bad he wants, I mean, you can't pay me enough money to put me in the ring but you can survive Davis with my guy and Ryan García. I mean, you can see Ryan is a, he can be in household name real soon. Real soon, this guy he can sell out arenas. Just as well as a tank Davis. But it's a little bit too soon. A little bit too premature. I don't think he's ready just yet. Tank Davis is a season. He's a season. I don't want to say veteran, but he's a seasoned pro now. You know, he's 26, 27 years old. He's fighting at full capacity right now. He's right in his prime. You want to keep this young gun away from him. For a little bit, a few more, I would say a few more about a year or two. You want to keep him away. Let him continue to grow and get and get and get fed the right things with goosen and just record his progression over time. And once you see that he's ready, then make that leap. But me being a businessman, I wouldn't do that right away. Now, fighter fighter. Hell yeah. Maybe in a fighter hell yeah, let's do it. You know, there's something obviously that he sees that he can take advantage of what tank Davis. Okay? That's obviously something you can see. From a fan standpoint, hell yeah. Put that pressure on javonte Davies. Why not? You know, because it's a fight fans fight. We want to see, you know, the two best guys near they prime of one in 8 prime and one that's not in their prime. And fight at the highest level, we want to see them go head to head. A lot of times we let these fights mature too damn low. You know? Too long. You got tears. We still waiting on terror girls fence. This should have happened two years ago. We still waiting on it. So why not see who the best is now? And if it's a great enough fight or good enough fight, they can run it back again. Running back again, you know, they can have a trilogy. If each of them win a fight, why, why the hell not? I couldn't agree more with the fighter. I disagree with Tim Bradley the manager, because look, a lot of fighters, you're self included, see something special in tank Davis. I don't, not yet. I see a guy that has been consistently put in with carefully curated opponents. Really since 2017, when he beat Jose pedraza, which was the best win on his resume. Basically everyone there has been carefully curated. His recent fights. He moves up to a 140 pounds, and he fights Mario barrios, good fighter, probably should have already had a loss on his resume when he fought for that secondary title a year before then. Goes down to one 35. Raleigh Romero talks a good game, but has zero resume also should have had a loss to Jackson marinas in a previous fight. Like tanks being put in with guys that largely have no chance of beating him. And one almost did. Esau Cruz almost did. Now all of a sudden he's got Cruz as being portrayed as like this, you know, this boogeyman in the 135 pound division. I think tank has power. I think he fights incredibly intelligently in the ring. You know, you could see against Romero, he was baiting him, repeatedly, and eventually Rolly leaped in and got caught with a big shot, and it was lights out for Rolly Romero. Tank Davis has never fought anyone as dangerous as Ryan García. He has not fought anyone with the physical tools of Ryan García. You can argue, certainly it'll be true that Ryan García has never fought anyone with the tools of tank Davis certainly anyone with the power of tank Davis. But Ryan García in the last year and a half has knocked out Luke Campbell and he's knocked out Javier for tuna. That ain't nothing. Those are good, medium level B level wins. Look, I don't know if I'd make Ryan García a favorite in that fight against tank Davis, but to me it's 50 50. And the guy first guy that lands the big shot wins and Tim, nobody's ever going to convince me that Ryan can't land that big shot first. Like tanks the smaller fighter, Ryan's great at fighting smaller fighters, he keeps him at a distance and lands that quick check hook. Everybody's going out at that. Not just Hank Davis. Wow, man. Come on now. Oh, you going on for resume? Come on, man. That's all we got. No, you gotta go off your eyes, man. I'm talking about your educated eyes, brother. You gotta understand the tank Davis. He likes these guys big. He likes these guys tall. He don't have a problem with guys. Taller than him. What he does have problem with is guys that are short as him is shorter than him. Because he's so used to being a smaller guy in the ring. I believe that Garcia is Taylor made for a guy like tank. Tailor me for him. And Garcia, the problem with Garcia is sometimes he can get a little bit beside himself. Sometimes he can be a little bit, he can take too many risks inside the ring. You know, I see it. And sometimes he stands well. A lot of times you stand up pretty straight. His knees, he don't let them bend the knees. And he's always looking to pull back. And that's one thing you can't do against tank Davis pull back. You know, tank will dig down to that body, slowly bring that kid close to him and slowly slow that get down and he will catch him with something over the top something straight, something he doesn't see with speed and power and accuracy that take has in the experience that he has, regardless, we talk about resume, okay? I get it. But draws up, going back, all right, that's why I would say that's really only title win right there was against Pedro. But for dryden was an Olympian, the drives at the time was undefeated. And he stopped him. And he stopped him, okay? The other belts you want to talk about, okay, those are regional titles, whatever you want to call it. That's fine. But how he beats these guys is what you got to look at. It's not who you fighting all the time sometimes. It's how you beat them. How you break them down, how you fight inside the ring. That's what I'm looking at. And what tank does, and the way he breaks these guys down and away gets rid of these guys and he sets them up. I'm telling you, that dude is a bad boy. He's a dangerous guy, and he's a very, very dangerous guy for a Ryan García. I think he will end his career if he knocked Brian Garcia out. You know, you don't, Matt. Chris, look Maddie. You don't want to ruin a guy like Garcia, man. You know, this guy could be this kid can be a superstar. Not just a star, a superstar. And trans men boxing at the right time. You don't want to take that risk against tank Davis, man. That only needs one punch. One, that's it. It is night night. Okay? But that's my egg. That's my opinion. That's my assessment, man. I got tank Davis all day. And if that fight
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"Have that kind of drawing power and you can fight whoever you want, they don't have to listen to sanctioning bodies, but that was a bizarre press release. The WBC released a couple of weeks ago. All right, let's move on to the fight this weekend. Also in a lightweight division. Javonte Davis, Raleigh Romero, a couple layers to this fight. But I want to start with the fight itself. Romero was discussed and it was actually named as an opponent for javonte Davis last year. He withdrew after sexual assault allegations came up against him. He is back now and this fight is going to happen on Saturday for Davis secondary title at a 135 pounds. How dangerous is Raleigh Romero in this fight? Because he's undefeated, he's got power, but you and I probably would both agree shouldn't be undefeated. He lost one fight. It looked like he should have lost one fight against the Mariners. A couple of fights ago. And. He's just so awkward. And maybe that works to his advantage because he can hit Davis with something he doesn't see coming, but it also leaves him incredibly vulnerable for some of the shots that javonte is going to throw. I mean, I think that this fight is going to be entertaining for as long as it lasts, but I don't think for Raleigh Romero, it's going to last all that long. Yeah, probably not, Chris. I wholeheartedly agree that he lost to Jackson marinades. I thought he lost as many as 8 or 9 rounds in that fight. I didn't even think it was, I didn't think it was closed. I didn't think it was controversial in that he won. But Jackson Marin is, in my opinion, clearly won that fight. Beat that as it may, here we are. They are fighting on Saturday night and. At least rolling Romero got his opportunity because, look, I mean, what happened to him late last year? He was, he was not charged with a crime, you know, and understand the woman filed a police report. And I also understand that show time Mayweather promotions, everyone involved in organizing the event, had to remove him from the fight at that time, because he was under investigation sexual assault. But at least they did the right thing and rescheduling the fight though, because in the court of the actual court, he has done nothing wrong, right? So at least he's getting this opportunity back. I mean, I'm not pretending to know what happened between him and this woman, but what I'm saying is it was thoroughly investigated by the Nevada, the Henderson Nevada police department and charges were not filed against him. So he is getting the opportunity that they should have gotten December 5th here at least. But you could also argue that he doesn't deserve this opportunity because he lost to Jackson Mariners and he's fought a relatively low level of opposition, Chris, if you go, if you go through his record, the last three opponents that he has beaten because we'll include Jackson Marin, isn't that Jackson Mariners? Avery sparrow and Anthony, none of them are punchers. So Rolly Romero might have a good chin, but we wouldn't know that because he hasn't fought a puncher and any of the fights that he would consider higher level fights for him against world ranked contenders. I don't think any of those three fighters had more than 8 knockouts going into their fights against roli Romero. He's clearly fighting a puncher on Saturday night, right? Because whatever anyone wants to say about javonte Davis, he's one of the most devastating punchers in boxing. Now look, Esau Cruz has a pretty good chin, a pretty hard head, and javonte Davis seemed to aggravate what was an existing hand injury relatively early in that fight. So we went to distance for the first time in 16 fights and all that. But we'll Rolly Romero be able to take javonte Davis's power. I'm not so sure that we have any evidence of that. But to your point, Rolly Romero is a one thing that Rollie Romero can do. He's unorthodox. He's awkward. He came to boxing very late. He fought and he was a judo fighter for a very long time and didn't turn to boxing until he was 17 years old. His skills would be, I guess, best described as unrefined, right? He is awkward. And he does a lot of things that create unusual sequences and fights, I guess, is the best way to put it. So could he catch javonte Davis in an exchange and heard him? I'm sure he's strong enough, certainly, to do that. Will he be able to do that? I don't know because I think javonte Davis is going to go into this fight. He's a smart fighter. And he knows how to pick his spots. He's not going to go in there reckless. He's not going to go in there emotional no matter what role Romero has said about him or how he has tried to antagonize them throughout the build up to this fight. He's going to go in there in a smart calculated way and try to get him out of there when the time is right. So I would expect this fight to end within 6 rounds at some point and I would expect your vontae Davis to win the fight. But roly Romero is dangerous because he can crack and you get hit on the chin the right way by a guy who can crack. Who knows what could happen. In that way, I think maybe the odds, the od are pretty wide. I think javonte Davis is about a ten to one favorite he's -1000. I think roller Romero's plus 900. That might be a little wide just based on rolling Romero's punching power. But if you're analyzing their skill sets and their level of opposition and what they've accomplished, it's probably about right. Yeah, it'll be a fun fight for as long as it lasts, but I don't think we'll be talking about the judges at the end of this fight. That's the only prediction I think that could be a 100% accurate. As we look at that one, the subtext of this matchup Keith is that it is the last fight for javonte Davis on his contract with May with a promotions. Javonte has been all over the map on his future with Mayweather promotions for months. It seemed like he was going to leave Mayweather after this fight branch out on his own. Still remain with Al Heyman, which may be the only thing that really matters when it comes to fighting outside of the PBC universe. But not be tied to Mayweather this week. You know, he was quoted as saying, maybe I'll stay with Mayweather. I have the best team. That's out there. We'll see what happens after this fight. Let's start there. What do you think the future of javonte is promotionally after this fight? It's interesting, Chris, because what you just said, everything that he has indicated leading up to this fight is that he's leaving Mayweather promotions after this fight. He hasn't come out and said this publicly, but I know that he has been annoyed by the way Floyd Mayweather has treated him publicly in that, you know, he often whispers in his ear as if he's telling him what to say. Interrupts him and says, I'll take that question and javonte Davis is going to be 28 years old in November. He's a full fledged adult. There's no reason why he shouldn't be able to for himself. I understand there have been times earlier in his career where they didn't want him necessarily to say, yeah, I'll just fight this guy that guy and that guy. And then not fight those guys because they knew that he was not going to take those paths. I understand that to some degree, but there gets to a point where someone again is an adult. I mean, there's no reason he can't speak for himself. And I think he's been very frustrated with the way Floyd Mayweather in particular has handled and publicly. You know, there's a lot behind the scenes about their personal relationship and they've had their ups and downs personally and everything. I think as far as I know, David, it's really appreciates and likes Leonard ellerbee. Leonard has been a champion of his career from beginning to end and often has said, you look, Leonard's been honest in that he has said whether people like it or not. Most people don't like it. He's been honest and saying, look, we're going to fight who we're going to fight. And this is going to make a lot of money doing it. And we're going to draw big crowds. And we're going to do he's never said we're going to do a huge pay per view numbers, but we're going to do pay per view numbers that will satisfy us and allow us to keep doing pay per view fights with trevante Davis, particularly because we're making a lot of money at the gate. He's been very honest in that way. So I understand it's rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and it has led to javonte Davis fighting on a lot of opponents that people don't want to see him fight. But from a financial standpoint, he's been very successful. So you could look at it that way too. If you're javonte Davis, you could say, look, I've been well compensated. They've developed me. He's, of course, developed himself into a draw by the way that he fights. And people have taken to him for sure..
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"esau cruz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Think that he's one of golden boys few assets that they have left on their roster. And I think if they really want to start maximizing his earning potential, you're going to have to fight somebody. So when you say, you know, who you'd like to see him fight next, you're talking about tank Davis. I assume. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wrote a column last week that if tank wins against Rolly Romero and he's heavily favored to win, if Ryan García beats Emmanuel tego, again, he was heavily favored to win. The fight was much closer to happening last year than I know you are well aware of this, but then a lot of people realize they were pretty far, you know, they'd negotiated. They both wanted the fight, both sides seemingly wanted the fight, then the Pacquiao thing came up. Garcia's people got a little distracted with that. And I get it. If you think there's real potential to at that point, fight Manny Pacquiao and wherever it was going to happen. And there's a lot of money. There was a big pot of gold at the end of that rainbow. I don't blame them for chasing it. I just didn't think it was real from the beginning because Chris, how many times have we gone down this road? In private investors. Now it's happened a few times. Eddie Hearn brought heavyweight title fight to Saudi Arabia and all that. But most times those things don't materialize. And I've kind of figured that would be the case with Pacquiao and Garcia and that did turn out to be the case. And by the time they knew that the Pacquiao fight wasn't real, meaning Garcia's people will take had moved on to moving up to a 140 pounds and he signed a contract to fight Mario barrios. So the fight just kind of went away. And then his issues outside of the ring that he had to deal with and tank went and fought while he wound up fighting Esau Cruz. He was trying to fight Rolly Romero, who is, for whatever it's worth, the mandatory challenger for his secondary WBA title. Yeah, I walked away from that 5 of Garcia thinking, I'd like to see him in one more against a fighter that's not tank Davis. Not a nobody, like JoJo Diaz was ringside for that fight. I wouldn't mind seeing Garcia against JoJo Diaz in a way not to dismiss JoJo's chances of winning, but JoJo's kind of emulates kind of the physical stature of a javonte Davis, kind of they're about the same size and JoJo's tough..
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"esau cruz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"You know what I mean? So it's like, we never expected that to happen, and now it's happening. So there's no evidence to say otherwise. Do we want to see that? Yes, even guys like me who have them on a pound for pound list because of what he can do and what I see. I'm going to get tired and say, all right, now this is it. You're going to have to slowly slide down off that list if you're not fighting somebody worthy of a challenge by somebody where you're grateful. Yeah, so this year, because of some of the things that have happened the last few months, the in-house potential challenges for javonte have dwindled, right? Like if Chris Colbert had fought roger Gutierrez and beaten Gutierrez, I would have 100% pegged, Chris Colbert as someone that would have been a candidate to face javonte Davis at a 145 pounds. Good point if Gary Russell junior had beaten Mark Mexico and if Russell had not been injured and if he had been serious for the first time, ever in fighting more than once per year, that would have been a marketable fight for javonte Davis. But in-house in the PBC universe, as I look around, there's nothing there. Like, not almost nothing. There's like really nothing. That's marketable. You know, you're not going to do what Isa cruise rematch. Like you're not going to do any of that. Oh, but you know what? I was thinking about that. Today, I was like, why not do a esop cool rematch? It wasn't that great. It was a controversial, but it wasn't a great fight. But if you think that you're somebody that could have stopped them, if you didn't hurt your hand and a tenth round, maybe that's something you might want to see. Yeah, I would say this though. I don't know how many what the official number of pay per view buys was. I don't believe what I read in the Internet, just like I don't believe what people say from a promoter's perspective, but it did not do well. There's no question about that. Otherwise, there would have been victory laps being taken about the numbers javonte Davis did. So given that, I don't see this ground swell of support to see that rematch. The only name guys, the only name that makes any sense is Ryan García. And we know they've had at least preliminary discussions about a deal like this before. I know zone believes that their entry into pay per view gives them the kind of framework to do a co promotional pay per view with showtime or Fox, whoever it is that works with at that given time. So I feel like Ryan's side if he gets through a manual tago on April 9th. And golden boy and the zone are going to try to make that deal. I just don't know if I believe that it's going to be willing to do it to see the kind of money they'd have to cede from a showtime perspective and money that Ryan García is going to have to be paid. I just don't know that they're going to be willing to do it. So I'm with Barack on this one. I don't have any confidence that this is the year that we get javonte in that signature fight. Well, that's what I'll give up on this devonta Davis train. I'll hop off of it. If in 2022, it doesn't happen with a big name, then I'll waive the white flag. Oh wait, just to be clarify, Barack, where is javonte on your pod for Bond list? Oh man, I haven't looked at it. I haven't revamped it since these late losses and wins recently, but he's around ten or number 9. Okay. That's absurd, but he's at my number ten. Oh, please. You guys talking about? 9 or probably have Tyson Fury on your own. I do have Tyson Fury on my list. Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder. Before that Vladimir Klitschko. Let's go. 7 years ago. So what? You two sit there and bring up Jose pedraza from 7 years ago as a quality win. And you say that's a you say that's a good win. You said that's a good one. Okay, I'm saying it's a good one like let's go is so if you can use coach coach, let's go, let's go better than pedraza. Better than Vladimir Putin. Because you discredit because you've discredited Leo Santa Cruz. That doesn't mean he isn't who he is. He is a four division champ, so it doesn't matter. Like, oh, let's just say technically three division chair. He is who he is no matter what beat Carl Frampton beat a lot of guys. 'cause you know what a good win. That's not way out of law. I don't discredit Liam. And beat him barrios, Mario bodies. Regardless of who you think you are, it keeps Mario barros last seen getting his nose twisted in half by Keith thermal. Come on. This guy, but Mario barrios also Mario barrios also Mario bars also lost the fight before that Beck, what's his name? I'm blanking. No, no, we got you on that. You're right. But guess what? He wasn't stopped by anybody except Davis. Davis is special and we can see that. I can't see that. Would anybody else would any other? Would any other one 35 pound move up and beat barium? Yes, all of them. Every one of them. Come on. You think Devin Haiti doesn't beat Mario barrios? All right, who are you picking up? They're not going to go up and fight him. That's too much of a risk. You guys know this. You're around Devon a lot. The only reason Devin stays at one 35 is to figure out a way to get his hand on that big fight in that division because he kills himself every time to make that weight. In the next 6 to 8 months, he's gone. If he fights Cambodia, in a private fight of twice, but once that's over with, he has gone to one 40. There's no doubt about that. He's in teofimo territory and trying to shrink himself down. Yeah, but see, he's bigger than javonte Davis. Devonta Davis is a very small guy. He's a 130 pound guy. And he went the right way. He's not really a one 35 pound. He's not really a one 35 pound. Chris, what is it? If they do make one 30 if they do make the grind Garcia fight, you know, javonte Davis and they forgot a way how to co promote this pay per view. Who wins that fight? Great fight. Great fight. Both these guys, I think. I think, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I lean, so I lean towards Ryan only because Ryan, I think he's has proven. Like we talked about javonte struggling to fight a smaller fighter Esau Cruz. There might be nobody better at fighting smaller fighters than Ryan García. Like Ryan is kind of mastered how to hit these guys because he's always taller than them. And that left hook from hell that he throws with the kind of speed that we don't see from anyone outside of Canelo. I think eventually he'd land that on javonte in the same way that he landed a big shot on Luke Campbell. So I'm not discounting javonte. I think he's, he can definitely win that fight because Ryan, I think, can be a little bit shinny too, not great with the footwork, a lot of reasons. But it's a great fight. It's a hell of a fight. And yes, I think that Ryan does have a good shot because of javonte southpaw stance to land that checklist hook. And I think he's a dangerous fighter. You know, Ryan has speed and power. So does javonte. That's what makes this an explosive fight. And one of the biggest fights in all of boxing, regardless who has titles, we both know that. Yeah, but I just disagree. I just don't think that javonte Davis struggled with esat Cruz. I think he talking to the leaders. He heard his hand and it turned round. And yes, he lost tenth and 11th round, but 12th round he outboxed him at one hand, did not throw that out. It's very smaller than javonte. So two different fights. Well, also the hand injury, I haven't heard of any surgery. I haven't heard of any you know, you know, you don't have to break your hand, you don't have to knee surgery. I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but lots of guys hurt their hands in the middle of fights. Yeah, but when it's that bad and you don't throw it, he did not throw it in 11th and 12th round. A lot of a lot of that is because he saw Cruz in his chest the entire time. Like in made it uncomfortable for him. That was a close fight. Like, whether you thought he won or not. That was a close fight. So. Wait, wait, wait, people really thought that Isa Cruz beach avante David sent me? I had it as a draw. Well,.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"esau cruz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Because they both drew from different fan bases. And they were popular figures in mainstream to a degree. It mined those fans across the mainstream. Wide and far, it also went very deep into their most Ardent fan bases. You know, a lot of the black fans, urban fans with Mayweather and the Latino fans that were diehards for usher deep, deep, deep into those particular groups, as well as far and wide of just casual fans. Ryan and tank is like De La Hoya Mayweather light. I don't think it's doesn't do that kind of business, obviously. But they will mine from those same groups of people and go far and wide. It's a can't miss economic blockbuster for everybody involved. And inside the box wearing, it's probably a damn good fight. And I think that Ryan García has no problem doing think Davis fight. You know, I talked to him for 35 minutes a few days ago, and he spent a lot of time talking about how much he wants that. And by the way, you know, drove out to Davis. I don't believe that for two seconds. He's not scared to fight anybody. This is a dude that will fight whoever. You know, he's been fighting the guys that May with a promotional size up for him. Him and Ryan García is a big ass fight. Period end of story. Biggest fight in the division. One of the biggest fights in boxing. I agree. I agree. And I, one of the reasons I have some cautious optimism is that if you're Mayweather promotions, you kind of got to look at the last year as maybe something of a warning like Davis was, I mean, he was close fight with Mario borrows before he knocked him out. It was nip and tuck with Esau Cruz. You know, Raleigh Romero, if that's the guy winds up fighting, whoever it may be, like, the point is javonte Davis is not unbeatable. And if he gets beat by someone like barrios or Cruz or Romero, all of a sudden, the value of Orion Garcia fight or a fight against anybody at one 35 goes down. Not doesn't bottom out, like losses don't destroy a guy, no question, but I would think that they would want to get him in a huge money fight before something like that happens. Before you potentially lose a fight that could cause your that could take the shine off a big fight like Ryan García. I totally agree. The bottom line is that these guys are at a certain level where if they're fighting the ice and it's not just Ryan García and tank Davis, this we could use the argument, whether it's Deandre and Charlotte or it's Canelo versus better be ever pick up fight that you believe is a big fight if they best guys fight each other somebody obviously is going to lose unless it's some kind of draw or you know a no contest or something. If as long as they both give their effort and make it a good fight, they don't lose when they lose on their record. I mean, maybe it steps them back a little bit in terms of their next fight, a little less money, whatever. But in the long scheme of things, it doesn't destroy your career. Look, use Oscar De La Hoya as the example. Oscar lost some huge fights. When Oscar lost certain fights when he came back, he came back even bigger than ever..
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"esau cruz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Better than they have it. And certainly I covered football for a long time and really up top there too. So I guess we should be thanking my only thing is we need to see the fights and it's continually becoming a problem where they're putting us in a situation where people are kind of walking in front of us and they're not doing it intentionally. It's just you know they have to fine tune it a little bit so we're not in that predicament. You can not write on deadline responsibly and effectively when you have people walking in front of you you just can't and where people standing up and they're there to have a good time and they don't care about us writing on deadline, but when you're, you don't want to be melodramatic, but you are recording history and you don't have a lot of time to screw around. So you need to see the fights. But anyway, from where I was sitting from my vantage point, I thought javonte Davis won one 15, one 13, but I always say, Kris, when you're writing on deadline writing running and stuff, it's hard to score the fight accurately. But I did think javonte Davis did enough to win. I didn't think Esau Cruz did enough to win the fight. But he obviously won and losing the other night. If there's ever a case of someone doing that, it's Isaac Cruz, right? Because people did not know who he was really. I mean, we obviously did. But most of the people inside of Staples Center came to see Devante Davis violently knocked someone out and they don't necessarily care who that someone is. And I think Esau Cruz really developed some fans that night among the people who came to see devonte Davis. They appreciated the effort that he put in. He's a tough guy and one thing I'll say going into the fight, Chris, I didn't think Cruz was going to win, but I did think he would stick around at least toward the, you know, to the two thirds into the fight at least, because I was looking at his head and he has one of those heads that look like it would be very hard to hit in terms of when you hit it, you would feel it. And that turned out to be the case for devonte Davis, who came into the fight with the left hand injury and further injured it, probably at about the 5th or 6th round. And he said he hit him so hard several times on the top of his head that he really did damage to his hand. Now, one thing I'll say, Chris, is I'm a little bit more of a believer in Giovanni Davis's ability than you are. I'm with you on the way he's been matched very carefully, but he is before Sunday Night had knocked out 24 of his 25 opponents. They've been smart careful, annoying to certain factions of people about how they've gone about matching him, but they've done a great job and cultivating his fan base and the one thing that is undeniable, whatever anyone thinks of Giovanni Davis is a billion. I think he's the one thing I don't think he gets enough credit for is how smart of a boxer is. He's got a very high ring IQ, and I think he exhibited that on Sunday Night. And he kept turning he saw cruise and turning him and turning him and turning him. I think the other thing that we might have learned about javonte Davis on Sunday Night that we might not have known before is he takes a pretty good shot. Now, Esau Cruz is not a huge puncher, but he can crack a little bit and he hit him with some very flush paunches and Giovanni Davis didn't go anywhere. So I give him credit for that as well. But he's a B level lightweight Esau Cruz..
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"esau cruz" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Mid 70s in Las Vegas and I got off the plane in Boston and it's like 38 and the wind is howling and it's like, what am I doing here? What are my life choices all about? This isn't funny, obviously. But I did an 11 day trip went from Vegas to LA from Fulton figueroa to tank and Esau Cruz and on the flight back from Los Angeles. It was absurdly windy in New Jersey. The closest I've ever come to being in a plane crash, like it was pretty it was pretty and I'm not, I don't care about flying. I'm not fearful of it in any way of obviously done it millions of times just like you have. But the landing was so the plane was just teetering back and forth and right till we landed on the ground. And I was like, man, this is going to be a bad landing, you know? And people actually, you know, I always laugh when people clap when people clap when the pilot lands a plane. And that was a time I was like, yeah, maybe I should start clapping this time because he deserves it on this one because it was a pretty, I mean, not like we were nos diving toward the ground, but I thought the landing was going to be pretty eventful, I guess. I get anxious. I got anxious every time I land every time. I'm always kind of thinking, like, wait a minute. We're coming in too hot. Wait a minute. We're over here in the runway. I always have these weird thoughts in my head that you land and obviously every time it tends to work out. Yeah, no, you're still here, so hey, listen, depending on who you ask. That's a good thing, though, you know? That's true. That's true. That's true. Various corners of social media. Where they have their opinions do vary. All right, let's jump in first. I want to talk about this past week. Can we take a quick timeout real quick? We do have to address the 160 pound elephant in the room. Okay. Now, I'm in my hotel room in Las Vegas. I don't know how long ago. This is a couple fights ago, I think. And I watched Demetrius and Android, obliterate poor Jason quigley. And I'm getting ready to go meet some people for dinner. And I'm like, oh man, I don't have to watch this in the Uber and whatever the fight's over. Great. And then I hear the biggest fight in boxing is Demetrius Android and Jamal Charlotte and I said, look, he's finally done it. Mannix is drunk on the air. That's what's going on here. Finally did it. I just, in that moment, the hyperbole went to a ten, man. It just went to a ten. I mean, there's a part of me that actually believes it. Like, you know, I mean, I actually don't. Well, I'll put it this way. I don't I would want if Anthony Joshua beats Alex fury Joshua to me is the biggest. But personally, I want to see Android Charlotte more than from your personal perspective. I don't doubt that. But when you think of my words, man, somebody else, I said, wait, I said, listen, we're going to have we're going to have to have him committed. He's gone completely batshit crazy. It's pushed me to the edge. The lack of this fight happening is push me to the edge. It has it takes every ounce of self control not to like just verbally clobber Mauricio Suleiman every time I see him..