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Isak scores late as Newcastle beats Nottingham Forest 2-1
"Alexander Esau scored the tying and winning goals as Newcastle knocked off Nottingham Forest two one. Essex tallied in the first half stoppage time and connected again on a penalty and stop its time in the second half. The goals allowed the magpies to pull within a point of Tottenham with a game in hand for the final Champions League birth. Newcastle is also 5 points clear of Liverpool Emmanuel Dennis had the goal for forest, which remains two points clear of relegation. It was for his first league loss at city ground since September. I'm Dave ferry.
The Bible in a Year
The Heart of Israel
"And you'll get updates and you'll get. Whatever kind of information you might need to follow along. Today, we are going, as I said, genesis chapter 35 and 36 were continuing on with the story of Jacob now, Israel, and his family. And gosh, yeah, how the family is going to unfold. They're going to continue to grow. He's got a number of sons and they are getting older and things are getting complicated. Things are always complicated. Man, we yesterday, what it is suns do. His sons took vengeance upon the family of shechem, hamor, that whole entire family after they had agreed to make a covenant with them. Because she had raped their sister. And so the family continues to grow. This is genesis chapter 35 and 36. God said to Jacob arise. Go up to bethel and dwell there. And make there an altar to the God who appeared to you when you fled from your brother Esau. So Jacob said to his household and to all who were with him, put away the foreign gods that are among you and purify yourselves and change your garments, then let us arise and go up to bethel. That I may make there an altar to the God who answered me in the day of my distress, and has been with me wherever I have gone. So they gave to Jacob all the foreign gods that they had and the rings that were in their ears and Jacob hid them under the oak which was near shechem. And as they journeyed, a terror from God fell upon the cities that were round about them, so that they did not pursue the sons of Jacob. And Jacob came to lose. That is bethel, which is in the land of Canaan. He and all the people who were with him, and there they built an altar. And called the place el bethel, because their God had revealed himself to him when he fled from his brother. And Deborah, Rebecca's nurse died, and she was buried under an oak below bethel, so that the name of it was called Alan bakut. God appeared to Jacob again when he came from padan aram and blessed him, and God said to him, your name is Jacob. No longer shall your name be called Jacob. But Israel shall be your name. So his name was called Israel, and God said to him, I am God almighty. Be fruitful and multiply, a nation and a company of nations shall come from you and kings shall spring from you. The land which I gave to Abraham and Isaac, I will give to you, and I will give the land to your descendants after you. Then God went up from him in the place where he had spoken with him, and Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he had spoken with him. A pillar of stone, and he poured out a drink offering on it, and poured oil on it. So Jacob called the name of the place where God had spoken with him, bethel.
The Bible in a Year
"esau" Discussed on The Bible in a Year
"Do today, as we said, is we keep moving forward. We are on day 17 of this journey through the Bible. And we will not stop now. We won't stop when we encounter these difficult passages. We don't stop when we encounter this pain. We don't stop when we encounter things we don't understand. We keep on moving forward because we know that God does right straight, but he writes straight with crooked lines. And God's will is going to triumph. But sometimes it seems like it has to triumph in spite of our brokenness, not because not because of any goodness that we bring to the story, but only because of the reality that he can redeem even the worst stories. You and I have broken stories. Just like the broken story that we're reading for the next 300 and whatever it is days. You have broken stories. But because we're getting ourselves closer and closer to him, even our broken story can be part of his story. I'm so grateful that you're joining me for this journey and please know that I'm praying for you. Please be praying for me. And please pray for each other because we need it. We are all in the midst of this together. With reconciliation, needing reconciliation with forgiveness and needing forgiveness. So we praise God, I'm praying for you, as I said, and when his father Mike, see you tomorrow.
The Bible in a Year
"esau" Discussed on The Bible in a Year
"The midst of your pain, your trial. You continue to wrestle with the lord, saying it would seem to me that if you were close, that if you cared, that if you are love, then you would deliver me from this pain. And yet, we still find ourselves in the midst of suffering. We find ourselves in the midst of a broken world. It's one of the reasons why I'm just so moved by this story we heard today in genesis chapter 33. In fact, in Jeff cabins book with Tim gray, it's called walking with God and the journey through the Bible. He says, he notes this. He says that. When Jacob goes to meet Isa, right? He doesn't just go on his own. He doesn't just go with his family. He goes with big gifts and goes with a lot of gifts that he gives to his brother Esau. And he points out that Jacob's life had been a life of theft scheming and deceit. But it's the love of God. That blesses Jacob. And Jacob is different moving forward from this. We noticed that in chapter 34, that horrible chapter. Where she has the rape of dinah, the daughter of Jacob slash Israel. And how the brothers are taking vengeance on the people and Jacob is once the deal fairly with them and the sons of Jacob want to deal. Maybe vengefully maybe justly it's hard to send it hard to tell in a difficult lawless place like that. And yet at the same time, Jacob doesn't deceive. Even if Jacob is ultimately maybe going to capitulate and make a covenant with this, the family of the man who had raped his daughter. He doesn't want to do it by deception. Again, brokenness, man, all the scripture shows this brokenness. And the scripture in this case does say that what happened to dinah was evil that, in fact, the words were, it ought not to be done. That rarely happens when describing the stories of the fathers of the church fathers and mothers of Israel. Rarely are a person's actions ever described as evil. If it were rarely are they ever described as this ought not to be done. Obviously it was not the actions of the people of Israel, but it was the actions of the people of shechem.
The Bible in a Year
"esau" Discussed on The Bible in a Year
"That's all one word all together. All caps or no caps, doesn't matter. Catholic Bible to three three 7 7 7. Again, as I said, today we are reading from genesis chapter 33 in chapter 34. As we heard yesterday, Jacob wrestled with the angel all night. And his name was changed. His name was changed from Jacob to Israel. Which marked something unique and he marked something we have never seen yet in the Bible in this whole story of Salvation. Chapter 33 reveals something we have not yet seen. We've seen plenty of plenty of brokenness. We've never seen reconciliation. So here we start with genesis chapter 33 and 34. And Jacob lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, Esau was coming about 400 men with him. And so he divided the children among Leah and Rachel and the two maids, and he put the maids with the children in the front, then Leah with her children and Rachel and Joseph last of all. He himself went on before them, bowing himself to the ground 7 times until he came near to his brother. But Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck and kissed him, and they wept. And when Esau raised his eyes and saw the women and children, he said, who are these with you? Jacob said, the children whom God is graciously given your servant. Then the maids drew near they and their children in bowed down, Leah likewise in her children, junior and bow down, and last Joseph and Rachel, drew near, and they bowed down. He saw said, what do you mean by all this company which I met? Jacob answered, to find favor in the sight of my lord. But he saw said I have enough my brother. Keep what you have for yourself. Jacob said, no, I beg you. If I have found favor in your sight, then accept my present from my hand for truly to see your face is like seeing the face of God. With such favor you have you received me. Except I beg you my gift that is brought to you because God has graciously with me and because I have enough. Thus he urged him, and he took it. Then he saw said, let us journey on our way, and I will go before you. But Jacob said to him, my lord knows that the children are frail, and that the flocks and herds giving suck are a care to me, and if they are over driven for one day all the flocks will die, let my lord pass on before his servant. And I will lead on slowly. According to the pace of the cattle, which are before me, and according to the pace of the children, until I come to my lord in sit here.
The Bible in a Year
"esau" Discussed on The Bible in a Year
"So you will walk in the way of good men. And keep to the paths of the righteous. For the upright will inhabit the land, and men of integrity will remain in it. But the wicked will be cut off from the land, and the treacherous will be rooted out of it. Father in heaven we give you praise and glory. We thank you again for your word with thank you for bringing us into this to complete weeks that we have been listening to your word that we've been allowing it to shape our minds and our hearts that we can have a worldview that is shaped by you that we can look at this world in a way that is formed by you. Not formed by the brokenness around us, but is formed by brokenness that's been touched by your grace. Father we ask that you please touch us in our brokenness with your grace. Make us whole, make us new, make us yours. In Jesus name we pray, the name of the father and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit, amen. As we follow this story of this family, man, oh man, like father like son, isn't that just the craziest thing where we have Abraham and Sarah twice, say she is my sister, to the king of Egypt, and to have been like, and now here we have the story of Isaac and Rebecca doing literally the exact same thing. To the exact same guy, a bimelech. You think, what is it? What is it that leads us to do things like this? What is it that leads us to fall into the same trap again and again? It's one of the mysteries of the human heart is that man oh man, it doesn't even have to be father and son or mother and daughter or generations. It can just even simply be us in our own lives. How often is it that we fall into the exact same trap again and again? We do the exact same thing. Like we follow the same script again and again. Or we trade in what we know is true. We trade in what we know is good for something that we actually know is less good is less true. In fact, we see this with the story of Jacob and Esau, right? So Esau is the man of the field he goes out and he gets a lot of Venice and he gets in his dad loves him because he brings home game. And Jacob is the quieter one. The kind of the more homebody and his mom loves him. Rebecca had also received that word that the younger Jacob would be the greater. So but here's this classic scene, classic scene where Esau is coming in from the field and Jacob is making some porridge basically. It's a bowl of beans. This is lentil soup essentially. Red stuff, red porridge, lentil porridge. And Esau is willing to trade away his birthright.
The Bible in a Year
"esau" Discussed on The Bible in a Year
"Afterward his brother came forth, and his hand had taken hold of Esau's heel, so his name was called Jacob. Isaac was 60 years old when she bore them. When the boys grew up, Esau was a skillful hunter, a man of the field, while Jacob was a quiet man, dwelling in tents. Isaac loved Esau because he ate half his game, but Rebecca loved Jacob. Once when Jacob was boiling pottage, Esau came in from the field, and he was famished. And he saw said to Jacob, let me eat some of that red pottage for I am famished. Therefore, his name was called edom. Jacob said, first, sell me your birthright. Esau said, I'm about to die of what use is a birthright to me. Jacob said, swear to me first. So he swore to him, and sold his birthright to Jacob. Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentils, and he ate and drank and rose and went his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright. Now there was a famine in the land, besides the former famine that was in the days of Abraham, and Isaac went to Gerard to a bimolecular king of the Philistines, and the lord appeared to him and said, do not go down to Egypt, dwell in the land of which I shall tell you, sojourn in this land, and I will be with you, and will bless you. For to you and to your descendants, I will give all these lands, and I will fulfill the oath, which I swore to Abraham your father, I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and will give to your descendants all these lands and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall bless themselves, because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. So Isaac dwelt in Gerard. When the men of the place asked him about his wife, he said she is my sister, for he feared to say my wife, thinking less the men of the place should kill me for the sake of Rebecca, because she was fair to look upon. When he had been there a long time abimelech, king of the Philistines, looked out of a window and saw Isaac fondling Rebecca his wife, so a bimelech called Isaac and said, behold, she is your wife. How then could you say she is my sister? Isaac said to him, because I thought lest I die because of her. I've been like said, what is this you have done to us? One of the people might easily have lain with your wife and you would have brought guilt upon us. So a bimelech warned all the people saying whoever touches this man or his wife shall be put to death. And Isaac sewed in that land and reaped in the same year a hundred fold. The lord blessed him, and the man became rich and gained more and more until he became very wealthy. He had possessions of flocks and herds and a great household so that the Philistines envied him. Now the Philistines had stopped and filled with earth all the wells which his father's servants had dug in the days of Abraham his father, and a bivouac, said to Isaac. Go away from us. For you are much mightier than we. So Isaac departed from there, and encamped in the valley of Gerard, and dwelt there. And Isaac dug again the wells of water which had been dug in the days of Abraham's father for the Philistines had stopped them after the death of Abraham, and he gave them the names which his father had given them. But when Isaac's servants dug in the valley and found their a well of springing water, the herdsmen of Gerard quarreled with Isaac's herdsmen saying, this water is ours.
Pray the Word with David Platt
The Lord's Day is Near
"Chapter one verse 15 for the day of the lord is near upon all the nations. So what's interesting about this Bible book it's really only one chapter is it is specifically focused on God's judgment coming upon edom, which is the nation made up of the descendants of Esau. Think distant cousins of the Israelites and we see edom mentioned at many different points and prophetic books in the Old Testament. But here in obadiah, the focus is pretty much entirely devoted to God's coming judgment upon edom and we get to this verse and verse 15 where it says the day of the lord is near, but listen to the phrase, not just upon the edom. The day of the lord is near upon all the nations. This verse, this Bible book is a reminder to us that all the nations, all the tribes, all the people groups of the world with all the languages in the world will one day stand before God as judge. Including our people group, whoever we are, whoever you are listening to this right now, the day of the lord is coming where every type of person from every place in the world will stand before God to give an account as judge
Elevation Church Podcast
"esau" Discussed on Elevation Church Podcast
"Not always bad places. These are not always moments that God wants to deliver you from. Sometimes the in between place is the blessed place. And if all your focus is on getting through, getting to getting through and getting to, you will miss the blessing that God has in a place called there. By the time he got to Esau, it was already done. You could keep your camels. You can keep your gifts. Doesn't need any of it, because that's not where God met Jacob to reveal himself. He met him in between. This is a word I said I wouldn't do it, but come here, chunks, come here, buck. This is a word, both of you. I don't have time. I don't have time. You got to hurt. You got to hurry, but I got to show you, this is a word and I don't pull me too hard. Don't pull me too hard, but I'm going to hold you. You go that way, you go that way. This is a word, go the other way, go the other way. This is not too hard not to or not too hard, not too hard to shoulder. I'm 42, man. You can't pull too hard. This is a word when you feel torn. This is how you've been feeling lately. Not always, stand still, y'all been too tints. This is a word, this is a word not only when you feel torn between good things and bad things. 'cause that happens, all the Devils telling me to do this, but God is saying do that. You ever been torn between two things that are both good? People make stuff sound so simple when they tell you advice. Oh, man, just focus on your kids. Which one?
The Bible Project
"esau" Discussed on The Bible Project
"Story of Jacob, which is about a guy who wants to Jacob is the guy who wants to grab and snatch the blessing at whatever cost. And then it raises this question of like, well, you know, the Jacob came out of the womb, trying to grab at the blessing. But then here in this story in genesis 27, we see the father and he's a lot like his son Esau, where he's what he's really wants is a bowl of food. He is a human who wants food, and he's willing to give the bowl of food in exchange for the first born birthright and the blessing. And so Rebecca and Jacob and that story, Julie, they are using deception to gain the thing that God has destined Jacob the second born for in the first place, and it's a key part of what begins that story of that theme of deception in the Jacob stories. So the whole thing is God wants to bless the one so that through them the many can be blessed. But this family keeps acting like the blessing is this thing that's just for one. And it's something that you need to snatch out and deceive and grab out to get it. And I think it's part of the portrait of how Abraham's family tragically misunderstands and abuses this gift that God wants to give them and then to the nations through them. So are you saying that Isaac could have said, okay, I'll give you the blessing too. Like that was his prerogative in the same way. Yeah, why couldn't he have blessed one of his other sons? God did. God bless you. And when God blessed the non chosen, just to be clear, he didn't give Ishmael's Ishmael any of the inheritance of Abraham like any of his flocks or goods, like he didn't get that. No, he goes away to dwell in the land away from his brothers, but he says you'll I'll bless him and he'll be fruitful and multiply. He'll become a nation and rulers will come from him. But he won't be the promised lineage of the seat of the woman that brings about the snake crusher. Yeah. Okay, and so I might, I'm sorry if this is a distraction. But it's good. To me, I still can't, I'm still hung up on that. It seems like there's two kinds of blessings here. There's the original blessing for all humanity to be able to multiply and rule. But then there's what you've called a subplot, which is choosing one family and giving them a blessing, like the special blessing of being the family in which God's gonna rescue humanity. And so it's that second blessing of the elect, the Abraham's family, which we're tracing through the genesis scroll of the line of Seth and then the line of Abraham and that we're tracing that. And that's all to serve. That's all subplot to serve the main plot, which is all of humans getting the blessing. I think what I'm saying is your blessing number one and your blessing number two are actually one and the same thing. But they're focused in the narrative in other words, that blessing that is for all of humanity gets invested in channeled in the story into the hands of one particular family. Okay. So what the blessing that Abraham and Sarah and then Rebecca and Isaac and Jacob and his wives, what they're all like wrangling for, is the Eden blessing that God wants to give to all humanity through them. But in that reality, it's whether or not I get the flocks and I get the tents and I get the servants. Like that's what they're functionally getting. That's right. And authority and rule. I mean, the point is, yeah, what God wants to do for all of humanity. He's going to do for this one family, and each generation he keeps singling off one, choosing one, and giving them the Eden blessing. And then what you see is in the hands of each generation, they abuse the blessing as much as they are grateful for it or enjoy it. And so I think in this story of genesis 27, we're getting when Isaac says, I only have one blessing. I can't bless you. We're getting his narrow minded viewpoint on the blessing. Which was a cultural assumption, as narrow as we think it is. That's just how it worked, right? Like totally just give the blessing to your first born. Yeah. But what you're pointing out is, but even so, even if that is a cultural assumption, just a couple stories before, God deviates from that. And by giving Ishmael, the blessing. Yeah, a blessing too. Yeah, he gets a blessing, but not the blessing of the well, I think it's like a satire of parody. What he says to hagar is the Ishmael will get a blessing. He'll be fruitful and multiply and rulers will come 12 rulers will come from him. So it's as if he becomes in Israel made of 12 with the blessing, even before the 12 tribes of Israel came into existence. And so I think the narrative wants to show that God's desires that the blessing constantly spring out, but what he wants to do as the main vehicle for doing that is one chosen lineage that he keeps separating it out. But the chosen lineage keeps abusing it and treating the blessing with a very small minded insular narrow focus. And so in this story, the blessing is now this commodity that can be traded for a bowl of food, and there's only one. And here's the thing though, is that in each generation, God takes the evil and the selfishness that humans plot and he works despite it in it and through it to accomplish good. And that's what's happening in every generation culminating the story of Joseph and his brothers, which is what he says. Humans keep taking God's many gifts and using them for evil, but God is going to take all this and turn it into good and saving of many lives. So God's working within this system of where you give your inheritance, which is giving the blessing. Because how else are you going to be fruitful multiplying rule you need? You need to be kind of given that ability. And so God's working within that and saying that he's going to give that to a family and then the family's passing it down generation by generation. Because God could have just been like, I'm going to give it to you, Abraham, and every single kid you have. And it's just going to just multiply that way. But instead, it's focused on a lineage. That brings us to Jesus. But then there's a glitch where you see God thinking outside that box immediately with this blessing to Ishmael. Yeah, totally. Yeah, it's in genuine narrative tension. God keeps focusing in his purpose and his blessing on one family, and you could say their cultural institutions, as it were. Yeah. But then you get also alongside that narratives that keep reminding you, hey, the blessing that's focused in on this one family and its cultural practices is actually for everybody. And the blessing that goes out to Ishmael is like a reminder. So in one sense, you could say, of course, Isaac only has one blessing to give. That's how it works. That's how it works..
The Bible Project
"esau" Discussed on The Bible Project
"ESOL says in verse 38, have you only one blessing father? Why can Isaac give only one blessing? Thank you so much for all that you do in helping people to engage with the Bible and to discover more and more of its richness. Such a good question. Actually, and Julie, I'll even turn up the stakes on your question. Because both Esau asked his father, do you only have one blessing? Like, don't you have a little left for me? And Isaac seems to think like, nope, sorry, use it up, you know? But back in the previous generation of Isaac and Ishmael, where an Isaac, the son of Abraham is chosen to be the line of blessing and then one to receive the blessing, God explicitly says, I will bless Ishmael, the non chosen one too, 'cause he is from your seed. So in the generation of Abraham, both the chosen and the non chosen get a blessing. Like the narrative draws attention to it, which now here we are, three generations later, and Isaac lag nope, sorry, you saw your out, buddy. And you're like, wait, no, that's not how it works. Like God can bless people from the seat of Abraham. You know what? Do you see what I'm saying? It's an intentional twist in the story that even makes us feel detention even greater, which is why Julie, you're maybe even more right than you knew, to draw attention to the glitch in the narrative that it seems really odd. I think I always smoothed out this in my mind by thinking that there were just two types of blessings. There was a general be fruitful and multiply blessing. That anyone could give to anyone and God gave to all humanity and we could all tap into. And then there's this birthright. There's like an inheritance blessing. Yeah, sure. And that one's limited, because when you're the patriarch of a family, you're going to give everything to one son and it's your first born, and you're going to set them up. I don't know why that was. Why don't you spread it out? Yeah, sure. In the modern world, it's spread it out to all your kids. In theory. But that was the custom. You give it everything. The birthright to the first born son, and so in my mind, that was the second type of blessing. Sure. Yeah, got it. Well, yeah, and really, but it seems like the genesis story is really just interested in that more focused firstborn. In other words, this story assumes a cultural environment where there's this practice of a patriarchal society where the first born son is elevated to the status of being the image of the father inheriting the father's authority and wealth and so on. Representing the father in a unique way. And that's the only kind of blessing the genesis story is interested in. Oh, really? Well, yeah, think all the way from the humans. Well, the justice story begins with a more general blessing. Be fruitful and multiply. But for the humans, it's about blessing the fruitful and multiply and rule. And rule. And rule. Oversee the blessing of others. So, okay, yeah, if it's just be fruitful and multiply. Be proof of a multiply and rule. Let's add rule in there. But that's a general blessing that isn't limited. Resource wise, right? Not yet in the story. It's for all humanity. That's all humanity. That's right. And so I'm wondering if when God tells Ishmael, you will also be blessed. He's just, he just means you're going to be a powerful nation that's going to be fruitful multiplying rule. He's not saying that Abraham's going to give you half of his stuff. Oh, I see. The thing is that God gives a blessing of fruitfulness, multiplication, and rule to both the chosen and the non chosen in the generation of Abraham to his son. But here's the father. Who seems to think that on that blessing of fruitfulness and multiplication, multiplication and rule can only go to one son and not to the other. Okay, because he's talking about the general blessing not specifically the inheritance. Yeah, no, he's talking. Those things are merged. They're merged. I think they're one. They're one thing in the storyline. So why are they one thing? They're one thing in the narrative because when the blessing of humanity, when the ideal blessing that is introduced in genesis one, the blessing of humanity and its call is to be fruitful of multiply and to rule and have authority. Then when you get to Adam and Eve's next generation, that's clearly what Kane thinks he's losing out on when God favors his brother's sacrifice, and then that's the blessing that gets marked with the chosen line of Seth that leads to Noah and then through shem, and then Abraham. And that's the blessing that the genesis story focuses on. And then it just tracing that through the generations, but God really enjoys breaking out the blessing to the chosen and the nachos in the life of Abraham sons. But here's what's interesting is that when you get to the Jacob and Esau story, so much of the drama at this point is that God has entrusted his authority and blessing and rule into the care of this one lineage of a human family, and as we've seen in the Abraham stories, they abuse that privilege, regularly. They want to either get the blessing on their own terms or use it for their own benefit instead of sharing. And I think that's what the volume is being turned up on that corrupt abuse of the blessing in the.
The Bible Project
"esau" Discussed on The Bible Project
"Yes. Inquired. And then also to say to the last question in episode two 57, we interviewed doctor Joshua Swami doss. Yes, yes. And he gives us the hypothesis based off of genetics that the hypothesis that there could have been an Adam and Eve got created from the dirt while there were already other sapiens out there that they then would go and breed with, essentially. And so that's episode two 57. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, and what we're talking about is the same issue there in that previous question about Cain. Is the same kind of issue at work in this story about in this question about genesis chapter 6 and the nephilim and the sons of hello him. So what we're asking, first of all, what we need to ask is what does the author assume the reader will get? Apart from any questions we bring from modern history or science to it. But then there is a question we have is after reading and making sense of what the author is trying to communicate. How do we integrate this into our understanding of human history were we get informed from lots of other sources along with the body? Okay, can we take the two questions separately though? I feel like they're a little different. So the nephilim then first, they show up before the flood. Yes, the sons of el ahim. The sons of elohim, which are the angelic, the divine creatures that rule the skies. Have babies with human women. Yeah. And first of all, it's such a thing possible. Just like physiologically. Yeah, sure, sure. And then the offspring of such a mating is what's called the methylene. Hold on, but the narrative says is, and the nephilim were in the land at that time. Okay, yes. So the narrative doesn't explicitly say it. It just says, hey, this thing happened with the sons of gundams of men, and would you know it's interesting that definitely we're in the legend of do you think it's a little elusive on purpose there? I do. Well, then definitely we're around and in the ancient imagination the nephilim is a way to describe half gods. Humans who are progenitors is that the word of a God. Totally. Yeah, part part spiritual being part human. Yeah. Or a spiritual being. But when I say God, I mean, lower case G God, the spiritual beings. And they were then also associated with the rulers of these cities would often be thought of as these warriors. That's right. So again, we've talked about this passage in question at length and other times. But I think for me, where there is clarity about this is that the author of genesis is adopting a set of traditional motifs and topics from their ancient Mesopotamian neighbors and are in dialog with them about a common cultural storyline. So the storylines are preserved for us in epic, Mesopotamian tech, so we have that are called the Gilgamesh epic or the atrahasis epic. And so these are stories that the Mesopotamian is both Assyrian and Babylonian and then the empires that preceded them. You start stories that these empires and cultures told about themselves and their origins, that their kings, and that their rulers were founded by the gods, and that their originating founding rulers, like Gilgamesh, this great king of the ancient ancient prehistoric past, Gilgamesh has said to be part divine and part human and the offspring of gods and women. And he's a nephilim. Yes. It's exactly right. And he was a hero, right? He's a hero of their founding cultures, and it's this merging of divine and human with the founding of Assyria and Babylon. That gives them their divine right to go conquer the world and annex the nation's intact everybody and take everybody over. And so every part of that cultural script as it were, that founding story of the Mesopotamian empires is being poked at an inverted or parodied with different stories that work, especially in the early chapters of genesis. And so you get that with the story here in genesis 6, which is saying instead of the divine human mixing being something that sets human kingdoms apart for power. And divine divine right to rule, actually, it's a cosmic rebellion. It's a sign of everything that's wrong with the world. And the fact that the nephilim that are also called the gibo rim, the mighty warriors, they are the ones who start spilling all the bloodshed that soaks the earth with innocent blood, the cries out to God that serve I'm done with this. Like these warrior kings are the problem with human race. And this is matched on the other side of the flood story with the story of nimrod, who is called a gibbor, one of these mighty warriors, and he's the founder of Babylon. In his name means, we will rebel. Nimrod, and Hebrew means we were now. So when you see that cultural connection, you can see the biblical author is taking the cultural script and he's flipping it. In light of their deep convictions about yahweh as the one true God, all humans as the image of God, not just not just a few. And that these ancient stories that our neighbors tell, are actually signs of what's wrong with the world. But notice what I'm doing there is I'm making a cultural translation from my vantage point, you know? And I am finding a way to make the story make sense to me as to why they would tell a story like that. And so the trick is, is that all of the earliest interpretations of this story in early Judaism seem to be reflect readers who actually think that there was a mixing of spiritual being and human women. And we have this preserve for us and the second temple work called the Enoch for Enoch, but also Jude. Jesus brother wrote one of the New Testament letters alludes to the story. In the letter of Jude, and he refers to the sons of all of him as angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode. And then he parallels that story with the story of sodom and gomorrah, which is also a story about humans and angels, at least wanting to intermix in a sexual way. And so he sees those two stories as parallel and I just find that really bizarre. But I'm also trying to learn how to just listen to these biblical authors on their own terms and not, I don't know, rewrite the story to make it more palatable just because it makes me deeply uncomfortable, you know? Well, would you say it's not bizarre that they would do this based off of their cultural? No context of assumptions that you just explained. What's bizarre is that such a thing could actually happen. Right. From our modern mindset, that's just not a thing. Yeah. Like we're just like, yeah, that doesn't happen. Yeah. Perhaps we could perhaps there are spiritual beings. But they're not going to be able to do that crossbreed with humans..
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"I'll be a vagrant and a wanderer in the earth. So it's clear he's being exiled from everything that he values and cares about and that provides him security. He's not going to his uncle's house. No, totally, no, not like Jacob will later in the story. Because what he says is, whoever finds me will kill me. I think it's pressing the story's logic to say, but he like took a contingent of siblings with him and then they intermarried and had kiddos. Because here's what else is important. When Kane says, whoever finds me will kill me, who is he afraid of? Yeah, why would his extended family kill him? Well, true, but if that even refers to his extended family, he's being driven away from his extended family from his family. Yeah, why would he consider that being like a vagrant and wiped off the face of the earth? That's right. And then later in the story, it just says, Kane knew his wife, she became pregnant. He gave birth to Enoch, and he built a city, and cities by definition are a collection of dwellings with a wall around them. That's what the Hebrew word city means. So there's all kinds of clues in the story that all of a sudden once we're outside Eden, the Cain and Abel story, the narrator just assumes that we're in a populated world. And that explanation actually makes more sense to me of all these narrative details, what it leaves unresolved, then, is the question of how these narratives relate to what we would call human history as it can be reconstructed from whatever archeology, biology, genetics, and so on. And so now we're back to the question of what style of literature are the early genesis narratives and so on. Yeah, so Brittany, that's a quick summary. We did actually talk about this question a little bit more and from another angle. Always back, John. It was in what episode it was in the episode two 35. There you go. We did a Q and R on the family of God, and the episode's called, why do Keynes descendants show up after the flood? Oh, that's right. 'cause that's another question. Yes. Yeah, people called the canines. Actually appear later in the biblical story after the flood. And I think we talk about that along with where did Kane's wife come from in that episode? Totally. So that actually ties into the next question. That we got from Jonathan, who lives in California, and it's another angle of the similar type of question. Hello, Bible project, Jonathan here from Huntington Beach, California. I have a question about the nephilim watchers, giants, whatever we should call them. Do you believe that they are literal half elohim half humans? And if the flood came as a result of this corruption of humanity, why do we see them after the flood? God bless. Yep. Yes. Inquired. And then also to say to the last question in episode two 57, we interviewed doctor Joshua Swami doss. Yes, yes. And he.
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"Obviously. But he is elevated in the fulfillment of God's purposes to become the first human to take up that first born position as ruler over the skies and the land. So I think definitely Paul's totally tracking in, where Jesus is the late comer in human history, but he is elevated to the place of priority in firstborn. Not just over the land, but over the skies and the land. And some themes that tie in here are Daniel 7. When Daniel chapter 7, Daniel sees an exalted human who is elevated to rule above the skies in the land, and both the heavenly rulers, the son of man and janus 7 rules over the host of heaven and over the nations, which is pretty awesome. And then they definitely the gospel authors and Paul want to put Jesus in that slot. So I think you're right, James. Let's get intuition that Jesus is portrayed as the late comer elevated to first born, which becomes a culmination of this inversion of the first born that began all the way back in genesis. I think that's how it works. I mean, what else would make Paul say a thing like that? Except the story trained him to expect that another Adam and other humid would come to fulfill what Adam and Eve forfeited, you know? Yeah. Okay. Well, now that we tied that up, let's hear from a question from Michelle, who lives in. Oh, we didn't get a town for Michelle. Michelle just lives in the United States of America. Michelle, your question. Hi, my name is Michelle, and I have a question for you from the genesis scroll. What is the significance of the direction east? The angel of the lord tells hagar that Ishmael will live to the east of all his brothers. Adam and Eve were cast out to the east of the garden. So I just wondered if there's some kind of symbolic meaning of east that we're supposed to be picking up on. Thanks so much for all you do. Yes, Michelle. Where is Michael W Smith later picked up on? Go west young man. Do you know that song? Maybe? No, no. Maybe if I heard it, I might. Go west young man. Oh wow. I think it's how it goes. Yeah. Yeah, go east. Go east, foolish humans. That's what God says. The Adam and Eve. Yes, Michelle, you're right. The east eastward exile theme is major in the genesis scroll. And then it sets you up for a bunch of things to come. So a quick, quick tour. And I think John, we talked about this years ago, maybe on the podcast when we talked about settings in the Bible. Yeah. But this one repeats a lot in genesis in particular. So Adam and Eve are exiled to the east of the garden, but we learn that they're not exiled out of the land of delight that is the land of Eden because Cain and Abel are making their sacrifices near the door, presumably the door of the garden, but when Cain murders his brother, he's exiled east out of Eden, other land of Eden. So that's interesting. Then in genesis 11, the story about the building of the tower and city of Babylon that begins with an eastward migration, so people the first two of God sending people to the east and then Babylon begins with people choosing to go to the east. It's kind of interesting inversion. When a lot divides from Abraham, when they have too much stuff and they have to part ways, lot goes to the east and lives in sodom, then the next one is what you name Michelle, Ishmael, who's going to live in hostility with Isaac and his descendants, so he goes to live to the east. Then Abraham's sons through his third wife catra are all sent to go live in the east and then, oh, and among the sons is midian, the midianites, then you get Esau, who splits from Jacob, Esau goes to the east, and that's just in the genesis scroll. So how many is that? These are explicit like eastward references. Sounded like sick. Sorry, four, 5, 6, 7. What? I've never counted. Is there 7? I've never kept one at Adam and Eve one came and able to Babylon three. Lot neighbor him four. Ishmael 5 Abraham sons who kept to a sex Isa and Jacob 7. No way. And you're not missing one? No, no, I did a little word search when I prep for this question. Oh my goodness, 7 easts. Fascinating. Okay, that's cool. Never knows that before. So yeah, so it's building up this portrait that somehow west is associated with proximity to divine presence in the promise of the land, into the Eden promise, whereas the east is associated with distance. Alienation from God's presence is eaten blessing and from fruitful and multiply and family and so on. So all of this is setting you up for the scroll at the end of the big narrative. The narrative that goes from genesis all the way to the second kings that goes from creation to Israel's exile, so second kings, that scroll ends with Israel being slowly dismantled and destroyed through two different exiles, and one of them is the exile of the northern tribes of Israel to the east to Assyria, and then the exile of the Kingdom of Judah to the east to Babylon. I think, likely that fundamental east is away from the land that God promised to our ancestors, but that is fundamental to the biblical authors, israelite view of the world. East is away from God's promise to the west is the land of God's promise, and that what we're seeing in genesis one through 11 is a way of telling there ancestral stories all the way back using that east west binary. As a way to construct a pattern in the stories about the increasing isolation of humans from God's purposes and present. At least I think that's how it works. And then isn't it the case that north and south do the same thing later, like in the exas scroll even where going south to Egypt primarily is also kind of like going into exile. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, it's good. South down to Egypt was also, it's also true that the central hill country land of Israel and Judah was like really fruitful country. And farming agriculture and lots of flocks and shepherds and up and down the hillsides. And so to the south was a desert, but also to the east was a desert. And to the north was high hill country that gets you up to the two rivers, the source of the Euphrates and the tigress. And so but the north is also depicted as a region of trouble. And then the prophets, it's usually trouble comes from the north. The foe from the north or the enemy from the north is a big motif in the prophets. And there's a historical reality to it because when the Assyrian empire and the Babylonian empire would send armies, they wouldn't become through the hill country. Yeah, they wouldn't go through the desert. They would go up through this thing called the fertile Crescent. And they would always come from the north. So foe is always came from the north, or from the south, up through.
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"Stay jobs that require us to do things. Sometimes that we ought not do and we know better but we prioritize our job over our relationship with god. We get in relationships with people that we know we shouldn't be in. And we allow them to influence us in negative ways and we refrained from getting rid of those that baggage and those weights that we have been dragged down by because we are so connected to something that will be destroyed in eternity and matthew sixteen twenty six jesus says for what profit is to a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul or what will a man give exchange for his soul. Your soul is worth more than this world combined and we need to get that into our heads and realize the importance of that of our soul of who we are to god that god has shown how important we are to him and now it's time for us to show that we know that we are important to him and we demonstrate that with a life of service to him giving our life fully to him e saw tells us don't sell something priceless for something that is perishable and look at verse. Seventeen for you know that afterward. When he wanted to inherit the blessing he was rejected for he had found no place of repentance though he saw it diligently with tears when this life is over there are going to be a lot of people who regret the decisions that they made and while they may not regret them here in this life when they reached the point of no return when they exceed the mercy of god and they leave and depart this world for whatever reason and they go to the judgment. How many people like you saw will plea. Tears will play with fervor and commitment and what to repent but it is as it was with e salt too late now. There was still a minor blessing for saw. There is no minor blessing for those who are outside of christ when they pass the blessings of christ are for those who are in him all the spiritual blessings in the heavenly places. Evasions chapter one in verse. Three are in christ every one of them from beginning to end. There are physical blessings in this world. God chines the sun and the rain on the just and the unjust alike. God provides for those even who despise him and hate him in this life but when the next life comes there will be people who are sad and wished to repent and no opportunity will be there for them to repent and my prayer is that you are not of that number is that you realize now that your life in christ is worth more than anything. This world has to offer and that is the lesson of easel. And there's an additional lesson here. From rebecca in romans chapter nine verse thirteen. He's talking about he. He basically sums up from versus ten to thirteen. You have it in your outline if you want to go back and read it. He talks about the relationship and the issues and then he tells you about the promise at the end at the end of him. Re reminding you of the things that happened between isaac and his sons. He says that it was said to her. The older shall serve the younger as it is written jacob. I have loved. But he's all i have hated. That's from the book of malachi and it's not so much necessarily in malachi. He's talking about them. But it's the same with these all. Does god hate he saw. Nobody doesn't respect you. Saw in the same way that he respects jacob. Because jacob jacob belongs the promise the birthright and the blessing and in that same way if we think about it think about say cain and able god didn't hate able he didn't respect able sacra or he he didn't hate pain there it is. He respected able sacrifice and did not respect cain sacrifice. Rebecca was rebecca right or wrong for doing what she did for conspiring and plotting deceitfully. It's an interesting discussion. And it's one. I would be happy to have with anyone. Who is interested in the discussion. But there's a difference between an interesting discussion. And what i will. Talk about from the pulpit. As far as the bible is concerned. The bible doesn't tell us in fact it's important as i mentioned earlier to remember that many of the events in the old testament are recorded without any mention of the morality of the actions. Taken right there in genesis. It doesn't say and she was wrong for doing so. In fact. nowhere in the bible. Does it say she was right or wrong for doing so. It just says that this is what happened. And as we move forward in the book of genesis especially and through the rest of the old testament if the lord gives us opportunity to do. So we're gonna find more of these and i think it's interesting. I think it's interesting. What are we take away from. Rebecca there is a great deal of discussion arguing to vindicate or condemn her for the deceit. But look at what lengths. She is willing to go to secure. What is important to her. What links is she willing to go to secure what she thinks. Maybe is the will of god or what is most predominantly best for her son. We do not have to lie steal or cheat to get to heaven in fact that would keep us out but we do need to have an attitude like rebecca has what lengths are you willing to go. How far are you willing to go in the answer. Better be as far as i need to go to get to heaven. It needs to be full commitment. It needs to be it. Needs to be a full outrun giving everything you have to this because anything less demonstrates that you don't really appreciate what god has done for you you despise your birthright and different people run at different paces are able to reach different speeds but what god calls for us is that we give our full effort to his will and his kingdom hebrews chapter nine in verse twenty seven appointed for men to die once but after this the judgment. Are you ready. Have you succeeded in acquiring the birthright because the tells us through his will how to accomplish that how to become a child of god had to put on christ and all the effects of doing so what we purchase and what we pay the price to some is too steep to give but compared to the reward it is an exceedingly small thing and eternity in. Heaven is awaiting you if you commit mike. Rebecca did to doing. What is best for your retirement.
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"Of it. But you if you decide to become a child of god then you are an air of the kingdom an air of the kingdom and he says there and if children for seventeen than heirs heirs of god and joint heirs with christ if indeed we suffer with him that we may also be glorified together. Are you ashamed of the nature of god. Are you ashamed of living a life in christ. Are you ashamed of what people will think of you. Being an air of the kingdom then you need not apply but for those who are committed who are not ashamed of the gospel of jesus. Christ because they recognize it. As the power of god unto salvation to the jew. First and also for the greek romans verse teen to those who are not embarrassed to be called the children of god and to demonstrate that child likeness in the way they live their lives and they give themselves to god fully. We demonstrate that we are not ashamed of our birthright that we are not ashamed of the promises of god that are hours that we can take for our own birthright is in fact ours and we are not ashamed do we despise our birthright that we hide it like some would hide the light. They would light a lamp and put it under a basket. Who would do such a thing. And yet jesus is talking to a group of jews. Who did it regularly. Who did it often. And though they didn't physically do it because that makes no sense. They certainly spiritually did it regularly. They would pretend when it was suited them that they weren't jews but they were romans as if you could switch being on and off and some people treat christianity the same way they decide in the moment whether it's prudent to be a christian and there's no place for that in the kingdom we commit to it. We are heirs of god. We are children of the kingdom or we are not and this speaks to the most important journey a journey that we've talked about a lot the relationship that we build and grow and develop in the lowered that no we are not the person we need to be when we begin. No we will not be the person we need to be when the end comes for us but we are made we are made perfect in christ are we are taking over the line. God sets that standard and we will never reach it if we give our full effort to it and if we are in christ and got carries us over that is the grace of god that is what god has provided to us in the blood of. Jesus christ are we ashamed of it or do we commit to it regardless in hebrews chapter twelve in verse twelve. He speaks to this this journey. And i love the way he describes it. I love her twelve especially he says because he's just talked he's just talked from verse one therefore we also since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily ensnares us and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us imagine that he's just talked about all of the great individuals in the testament all of that roll call of faith and he says talking about that. Great cloud of witnesses like them. Let us run with endurance the race that is set before us. We all have a race to run and thankfully we get to run it together. We don't have to run it alone. We get to run it together and then in verse twelve. He says therefore strengthen the hands which hang down and the feeble knees and make straight paths for your feet so that may not be dislocated but rather be healed. We need to stop making our lives harder than needs to be. We make sacrifices in this life for a myriad of reasons but sometimes we sacrifice our relationship with god. Sometimes we put. We put our relationship with god in a tenuous position. Sometimes the choices that we make. Sometimes the people we decide to be around sometimes the things we decided to watch or experience and brother in nabi. Like when you run a race do you start a race with weights shackled to your lakes. Do you run a race. If you have a bad knee that you forget your brace. No you take every precaution to make sure you can finish that race. You get rid of the weights when it's time to race when it's time to run the race you let go of all the things that are burdening you which includes sin and also guilt and you run with endurance the race that is set before and you work on straightening your pads because too often we pick up weights along the way and really what we should do is cert letting them go. He says pursue peace with all people and holiness without which no one will see the lord looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of god. His goal is that we will not fail to finish the race. Remember revelation chapter fourteen verse. Thirteen blessed. Are they that from now on that. Die in the lord for they shall rest from their labors and their workshop follow them. It's not the person who was baptized. Into christ is the person who finishes the race in christ and that requires living for him each and every day giving him your full effort and you look carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of god he says lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble and by this many become defiled. Something happens and you get upset. And i've heard it so many times that person that congregation. They did something. I didn't appreciate it. So i'm never going back there. And sometimes it extends to the church at large. So you're going to go to hell because one person upset you okay. You can't stop them but you could try to reason with them. You can try to talk to them. You can try to dissuade them from the life that they are committed to. It's usually not because one person did this. One thing usually. They're using that as an excuse to live the lifestyle they want and not feel guilty about it because that guy's fault when in truth you're choosing to put your poor relationship with that person over your relationship with god and if that's a decision you're gonna make sadly i can't stop you. I can try not to be that stumbling stone in that. Rock of offense. As paul tells me but i can't always know what you're going to stumble on. I can't always know what's going to upset you. Sometimes frankly we need to learn over things. Let the burdens go. Let them go. He says any says verse. Sixteen less there be any foreign cater or profane person. This is not the type of verse. She wanted to be included in with your name like he saw who four one morsel of food sold his birthright. There's a reason that. I use the whiny talk when i was talking from easels perspective and this is why i knew this was coming for one more sula food. The bible says he gave up his birthright one morsel of food and so the lesson from e saw one of the lessons from east. There are a few the bible uses. Don't sell something. Priceless for anything perishable and yet. What do we make regularly. We sacrifice our time with the saints. We give up on being the people of god that we are called to be we put in jeopardy our relationship with god because we might upset some person in the world because talking to somebody about god may hurt their feelings and they might get upset. We.
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"Then each saul shows up right after jacob leaves conveniently and he gives him his father the stew when he asked his father about the blessing and his father is confused because he thinks he already blessed his son because he thinks that he already gave me saw the blessing and so he goes about explaining what happened and in verse. Thirty four says when he saw heard the words of his father he cried with an exceedingly great and a bitter cry and said to his father. Bless me me also. Oh my father but he said your brother came with deceit and has taken away your blessing and e solve said and this is interesting. Is he not rightly named jacob which means usurper for he has supplanted me these two times he took away my birthright. Hang on a second he took away your birthright or you gave away your birthright and now look he has taken away my blessing. There's an interesting thing here that he saw separates the two but should they really be separated is another question is the birthright and his inheritance as the promise son are they won in the same or can they be separated. Is he right that that jacob. He's not right. That jacob has stolen his birthright because that was legitimately taken as far as deal was made but is is the promise snus or the blessing that comes is another thing entirely and just because he saw thinks it is. It doesn't mean that it is simply angry because he sees it as a separate thing. Have you not reserved a blessing for me. Verse thirty six is there. Nothing left for me. Then isaac answered and said to e saw indeed i have made him your master. And all his brethren i have given to him as servants with grain and wine. I have sustained him. What shall i do now for you. My son and he said to his father. Have you only one blessing. My father bless me me. Also oh my father. And he saw lifted up his voice and wept and isaac his father answered and said to him behold your dwelling shall be of the fatness of the earth and of the do of heaven from above by your sword. You shall live and you shall serve your brother initial come to pass when you become restless that you shall break his yoke from your neck. That's not really the blessing that he was hoping for but a blessing he receives. It's going to be difficult for you to overcome the blessing that i have given your brother jacob thinking that it was you but i will give you a blessing nonetheless something that seems not on the same level but a blessing nonetheless and as we see saw is very angry and this causes as you can imagine a great deal of strife between the two individuals for a very very long time in fact carries forward into the people themselves the israelites and the lights. And so we have situations even into the later. Parts of the The old testament specifically the book of odiaum all the chapters of oba dia. There's a bible knowledge question because there's only one chapter of over dia chapter but all about what eat them had done to the israelites that they had told on them. Basically it doesn't that sound. Try to you. It doesn't sound like brothers that they had told on the israelites. To the occupying armies whichever armies you think the book of dia belongs time-wise into because there's a discussion on that too so e- saw he he would say loses his birthright and his blessing jacob and rebecca would argue sold legally binding soul and he even demands that he swearing oath by it. Jacob does and so the acquisition is certain but he saw feels cheated and it causes a number of problems. But if you remember back to the prophecy. What did the prophecy say. What did the prophecy. The word of the lord to rebecca when she was concerned about her children. And what does it mean that. These children are fighting in my stomach. And she went and she sought a word from the lord there in two thousand five in chapter twenty five and the word of the lord came back that the older will serve the younger. Do we despise our birthright in. John chapter one. John begins with a really interesting concept as he records the gospel of jesus christ from his perspective and the things that he witnessed he is a non synoptic gospel. That is he doesn't follow in the same pattern that the other gospel writers follow. And i think it's incredible and interesting at the same time that he doesn't it would have been interesting. If a fourth a fourth gospel had been written from the same perspective for different observers seeing the same thing and and seeing them not differently but from a different perspective would have been interesting but rather and instead john he strikes his own path and inverse. Tenny says he who was in the world and the world was made through him and the world did not know him. He came to his own and his own did not receive him but as many as receive him to them he gave the right to become children of god. Those who believe in his name who were born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man but of god john at the very beginning of his of his book of his recording of the gospel of jesus christ the happenings around jesus and the things that the spirit had motivated him to record records. This that those who would believe on him would have the right to become children of god you can become a child of god was his argument. It doesn't matter who you were born to. It doesn't matter who your parents are. Or whether you have abraham as your father physically. But only abraham is your father spiritually. We've talked about this a number of times. And the significance of abraham's faithfulness that the faithfulness of abraham is. What dictates whether you are a child of abraham. Jesus would argue with the jews on a number of occasions and here he says but as many as receive him to them he gave the right to become children of god to those who believe in his name in romans chapter eight paul would take it a step further. And he says they're romans eight and verse sixteen the spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of god and if children then heirs if we just stopped right there the verse would be incredible. If you are a child of god then you are an air of the kingdom you think about how important it is in the middle ages in the monarchic systems that have existed even in the monarchy or the theocracy. Theoretically of david. That you being illegitimate son of david meant that you could rule from the throne. Sadly we see a lot of death and despair because of the physical level of being a child of david or a child of the king of israel.
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"Jacob said swear to me as of this day so he swore to him and sold his birthright to jacob. And jacob gave you saw brad and stu of lentils than he ate and drank arose and win his way look at the end of verse thirty four thus easel despised his birthright. The bible doesn't do a lot of commentary in the old testament in the new testament absolutely. There's a lot of commentary in the new testament. There's a lot of side works that paul as he's talking about one thing he comes to a word. Perhaps that has. It crosses his lips. It reminds him of something that he was thinking about before and he starts into some entirely different thing only to come roundabout back to the original thing that he was talking about from the beginning. The old testament doesn't do that. The old testament does very little to describe why or how bad it is that these people are doing such a but here the bible makes an exception. This is one of a few times that it gives the the reason behind someone doing something he says he sold this birthright and this was a demonstration of his not appreciating the birthright despising the birthright that he would sell it for a bowl of stew and a piece of bread. Now you've probably heard the nature in the thing in in how i approached the message of e saw to its brother. I am diane right and you've probably heard that from your children. They come in and they say mom on starving. And i'm like no no. You're not maybe you feel a slight tingle in your belly. You are nowhere near starving nowhere near and so we have this bill of sale which is effectively. What he all offers. Jake he says i will give you the birthright that to that to e saw was automatically his. Imagine that because in the old testament. And we'll talk about this in the next session as well as we talk about. Jacob passing out the blessings to his sons in inevitably passing over three of them to give judo the kingship on as we go but it is not the decision of the sons to decide. Who the favorite is. It is the decision of the father to determine receives what is called the double portion the inheritance the birthright and he considered an email considered it so very much belonging to him already that he would sell it even before he had received it and as such not only does he selling it despise his birthright but there is a strong assumption going on here now. It's a fair assumption. Seems because we just read that e saul was jacob's favorite. But we're going to see is that's not how the whole situation turns out and so the acquisition the acquisition genesis chapter twenty. Seven is a difficult passage to deal with only because again. The bible doesn't tell you how right or wrong. The thing these people did was the bible doesn't give you commentary as to the morality of the decisions that were made. It doesn't deign to tell you that. Rebecca and jacob were right or wrong and as such. It is not really an acceptable thing for us to come down hard on one side of the other because the bible doesn't tell us but it is a very interesting thing to discuss. It's one thing that i very much enjoy discussing. In fact and the jews were exactly the same. Jews enjoyed discussing the matter of the morality of rebecca and jacobs decision. But it begins here in chapter. Twenty seven in verse. One it says now came to pass. When isaac was old and his eyes were so dimmed that he could not see. That's going to become important in a moment that he called his older son and said to him my son and he answered him here. I am that he said behold. Now i am old i do not know the day of my death nor therefore please now therefore please take your weapon your quiver and your bow and go out to the field and hunt gain for me and made me savory foods such as i love and bring it to me that i may eat that my soul may bless you before i die verse four. I don't know if you see the problem here but there is something missing verse four the thing that is missing z. Saw telling his dad. Oh yeah well see. This thing happened where it actually kind of belongs to jacob. He says nothing. About the birthright belonging to jacob of him selling it because he despised it so because he did not appreciate what the birthright mend and inevitably. Why doesn't he's also anything actually. I sold that to jacob for some stew not just goes about intending on receiving the blessing receiving the inheritance the birthright that seemingly should be long to jacob in verse five it says now rebecca was listening and isaac spoke to his son and he saw went into the field to hunt game and to bring it back and so rebecca spoke to jacob her son saying indeed. I heard your father speak to each all your brother saying and then she tells him and the handwriting is on the wall. You might say to use another colloquialism from the bible. Humans didn't come up with that. The bible straight out of the scriptures. So she sees and knows what's happening. She knows what is about to take place in that. Isale is about to become the favourite while he's already in favorite son of isaac but he is about to receive the inheritance the blessing and the birthright and she sort of pigeonholes her favorite son into pretending to be east salt that he might receive the blessing instead of his brother. Now how legitimate. How righteous is that. We don't what we do know is that they go about doing some things that we would consider fairly shady at the very least claiming to be someone you are not and going to extreme lengths of covering your body with specific garments to feel like he saw and his clothes smell like e saul and imagine an attempt at mimicking the voice of e solid. Because when isaac asked he is he says i'll eimear sunny solve course and even to cook the food that e saul would cook and so they go about acquiring. Let's call it. Acquiring through interesting decisions the birthright that was going to be given to e saw but was according to the deal jacobinism. I'll have made really belonged to jacob so look at verse thirty four. And this is where the new testament picks up and uses esau as an example. He says when he saw heard the words of his father because afterwards afterwards isaac gives the birthright to jakup as they had intended as rebecca and jacob intended..
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"Is a joy to be here with you this evening. Go and to study. God's word with you. I hope that you would open your bibles with me. Genesis chapter twenty five genesis chapter twenty five. If you do not have won their outlines in the back on the table on the side room in on the table in the side room the tables not on this i do. We're but You can pick up an outline. We make them available to those who would like to take notes or to follow along in a different way as we've talked about before people learn in many different ways and it's important for you to appreciate that you learn differently from other people and that's totally fine and we try to facilitate how folks learn best genesis chapter twenty five as we've been talking of through the old testament specifically the book of genesis with an eye to the new testament we had. We're not intending on studying the old testament in a very deep and developed way more particularly this was an opportunity for us to talk about old testament passages and events that have new testament significance. It's kind of like a cheat sheet. You might say like a like a crib notes. As you will review sheet of the things that will help us to understand new testament passages and the the things new testament. Christians are talking about because what happens in the new testament. Oftentimes paul is very good at it but he it can be frustrating. At times. paul will reference things that happened in the old testament and unlike what we oftentimes do is supply book chapter and verse. He doesn't do that. He just goes. It's in one of the prophets and he just says something and for the people of his day that was perfectly acceptable way of referencing things to a predominantly jewish christian base. They would have understood the old testament and they would have had a good background in the testament. I find in general. It's lacking in the new testament church in the twentieth century. It's lacking in me honestly to where it sometimes the difficulty a struggle to understand. Sometimes what's being talked about simply. Because i don't have the background in the stories of the old testament. Like i wish i did. And so we were talking as we have been mentioning these last few weeks. Abraham isaac and. Now we're on jakup but this lessons not actually about jacob. It's really about he saw as important. Jacob is to the wellbeing of the nation of israel as important as we see as we saw with isaac of digging those wells as important as isaac and abraham. Were digging those wells. Jacob becomes an individual who digs a entre wells he travels the land of canaan and beyond digging wells so much that even in in john chapter four you have jesus meeting a woman by the world and one of the things she makes mention of. Is that this well was given to them. By jacob jacobs well and to call something jacobs well seems to be like. That's jacobs well as an individual item but that description actually applies to a lot of wells and the people of that area and the people of that time would have appreciated that well was dug by jacob. Has that connection back. Deeply into the testament in to the patriarchy that is of the old testament and so as important. As abraham isaac and jacob is this lesson is really and the the emphasis from the new testament really falls on i. r. e. saul side of this discrepancy. Let's call it a discrepancy for. Now we'll see what we're talking about him. In genesis chapter twenty five genesis chapter twenty five and half the backup just a bit. I think this is still on genesis. Chapter twenty five we pick up in verse twenty one it says now is it pleaded with the lord for his wife because she was bearings. That's not familiar. We had the same issue with the previous generation abraham and sarah even the very beginning of the story even before abraham is called from the county's by god it talks about sarah and the barrenness of her womb. And yet here. Isaac mary's a rebecca and he finds out that her womb is also very that she cannot be children and so he pleads with the lord and the lord granted his plea for rebecca his wife conceived but the children's struggled together with her and she said if all is well. Why am i like this. So she to inquire of the lord and the lord said to her two nations are in your womb to people's shelby separated from your body. One people shall be stronger than the other and the older shall serve the younger so when her days were filled for her to give birth indeed there were twins in her womb and it describes these young men. the first came out red. He was like a harry garment all over so they called his name e saw it says afterward. His brother came out and his hand took hold of e solace. He'll so his name was called jacob. Which means usurper. Isaac was sixty years old when she bore them so the boys grew and was skillful hunter. A man of field. But jacob was a mild man dwelling intense and isaac loved esau because he ate of his game but rebecca loved jacob. The struggle between the two young men started even before they were born it started in her womb and it carries forward in what we see there in verse. Twenty eight this is just the beginning of the problem. Isaac who loved esau and rebecca loved jacob. What we find here is a prophecy concerning what's going to happen between the two which we'll talk about a little bit more in just a few moments in genesis chapter twenty five we keep going to verse twenty nine says now jacob cooked a stew and e saul came in from the field and he was weary and he's all said to jakup. Please feed me with that. Same red stew for i am weary. Therefore his name is called item. Which is what the name of the people that would come through. His lineage would be the mites who are effectively a cousin to the israelites. I call them cousins because they're not brothers. In the sense of the tribes of israel the tribes of israel were separated group of people designated by god to be special in particular way but god even through the old testament. He made mandates for the israelites. He told them a number of things including do not fight with the mites. Or the mola bites they are in your family. They are your close kinsmen. They're not brothers. In the sense of judah and levi but they are. I would say cousins. And so you're not supposed to fight with your cousins. If you had a lot of cousins you were probably told the same family reunions. And so god tells the israelites. Don't fight with your cousins. Don't get upset and fight with them. They're family and he all set to jacob pieces. Give me this food. And jacob verse thirty one says sell me your birthright as of this day and heathy saul said look. I'm about to die. So what is this birthright to me..
National Prayer Chapel, Pilgrim's Progress
"esau" Discussed on National Prayer Chapel, Pilgrim's Progress
"Drive that or to lead that that group of animals and he says when he saw when you meet my brother is going to say to you what are these. To whom do they belong. And where are you going. He then say to him. These belong dear servant. Jacob it is a president sent to my lord esau and behold he also is behind us you notice the word by lord esau commands the second and the third and the fourth after this manner you shall speak to east saw. This is genesis thirty two verse twenty usual say behold you're servant your servant. Jacob is also behind us where he said i will appease him with the present that goes before me then afterward i will see his face and perhaps he will accept me so the gift e soy's sent forward and he himself spent the night there in the camp and that night he gets up and he takes his two wives and his two maids and his eleven children and he has them crossed the ford at the j book he sent them across the stream. You send across everything. He had now jacob on the other side of the j. balk he's alone and he's not content in his heart. You understand. he has not prayed through. He has done his religious duty. in prayer. you has claimed. God's promises in prayer. Now i want you to see there's a problem with claiming god's promises when you're still in your flesh because in your flesh you disable the promises of god and they will not function for you. You cannot stand on a promise. Because god will come and stand on you. I've seen this in my own life time. After time i will begin to claim mark eleven cast this mountain into the depths of the sea. I claim it. In the name of jesus and then god will come and stand on my head to what do i mean i mean things will become very painful and very difficult gone. Wants to deal with his agenda with my heart before he'll deal with my agenda. God deals with his agenda before he deals with my agenda. So i've said to you this week. You have to stand on the promises of god and you'll be delivered but only if god has been able to come and stand on your head and deal with his agenda with you. I've shared the stories. And i'll share more later of guy bevington. Sometimes it would take him. Forty eight seventy two hours of prayer before. He received the assurance that what he was praying for would be done. Why did he have to pray so long. Well in his own words. God put him on a leith and began to trim down. He was too big for god to answer his. This is a major problem. We can stand on the promises of god and nothing will happen and month after month even year after year. Yeh god will not answer. We're in that vise. We're in that block mean your brother said to me this morning. I'm in a vice. And i said to him. Well what does god want. I don't know. I don't know what god wants to. I know this is a devoted man of prayer. And i know he spending the time necessary in the per- closet but i also see what's happening in his life is what's happening in my life. I'm getting carved down. I'm on the lathe of god. The years ago i entered in the holiness school but did you know the holiness school is also the holy school. It's where you get carved down. It's where you get reduced. It's where you get the pride taken out of you often with many blows pastor. Where's that in the word. Well if you want to go to the new testament good hubris. The twelve th chapter. I'm not gonna go there now. We're gonna finish this with. Jacob says there that god will discipline us. You will scourge us that if you're not punished by god if you're not scourged if you not whipped by god it's because you're not his child. My dad never gave the neighbor boy a whipping. He did the same thing i did. We did it together but he never gave the neighbor boy whipping. It was me. He gave the whipping. Why did he give me a whipping and not the neighbor boy will. Because it wasn't he wasn't part of his family and dad was not responsible for the neighbors behavior but he was responsible for my behavior in that whipping. Reduce me too loud bawling tears in righteousness telling me. I'm not gonna do that again. I'm not gonna go there against dangerous. We'll god doesn't whip someone who's not part of his family. Hebrews twelve says that. When god does that to us it produces a crop of righteousness of a harvest of righteousness. So.
Fantasy Football Today Podcast
Who Will Pick Kyle Pitts in Thursday's NFL Draft?
"All right. Let's have fun here with. Kyle pits blank will select kyle pits right. I think it's the falcons. I mean friscos. Been talking about this for some time. He doesn't think that the falcons are gonna take a quarterback he thinks arthur blank is all in on on matt ryan for another year to have a new coach and the new general manager. And here's the thing like if you trade down four. And i suspect it'll be teams interested in trading up to four to get whether it's trae lance macaroni justin fields. If you're the falcons if you move down if you move down you're not getting cockpits. That's just the end the conversation because either the bengals. The dolphins entertainment five or six and presumably. You're not trading with those teams already have quarterbacks. So that's the math you're doing and if you're not getting likely to march as we saw a report on monday for peter king that maybe julio jones could be moved with which seems crazy what they need a cap space Could you turn down for. Cornerback if the falcons you could but again what gives you more value in terms of making that football team better. I think it's how pet. So if i'm the falcons and i'm not taking justin feels matteo's trae lands i'm sampling. Taking cup pits. Janssen the blank blank. We'll take pets. I think it's it's atlanta. But i also be surprised if the team traded up with the falcons maybe even take pits like ryan saying you know the train up to the quarterback but you know teams fall in love your dallas. You know thousand the four but you know if a team really loves him that much and it's hard not to love that much than you could see. Maybe a team being overly aggressive. I think it was on On the nfl network this morning on good morning football there was a segment that they do with the giants traded up. You know. I don't know who is doing the job. Esau just a screen grab of it on twitter but the giants gave their first or second ebony ingram and something else to move up to four to get pits and it was you know something that on paper make some sense but you know. Obviously something is not likely to happen but still i would say it's four is where he goes. But the falcons do make some sense especially they decided we want from me jonesing. Another playmaker
The Breakfast Club
Noah Cyrus Apologizes for Using Racially Offensive Term While Defending Harry Styles Against Candace Owens
"Thousand volt would address on it conservative. Firebrand candace owens who is black contrary to popular belief. She's black that made her tweet out. There is no society that can survive without strong in the east knows this in the west steady feminization of our men at the same time. That marxism is being taught. Our children is not a coincidence. It is an outright attack. Bring back manly men. Of course that made social media go crazy because not too. Many people starve to catch fish. Like candace owens okay. She really owns your soul. Because you all can't help but respond to her. Have you heard the saying he who angles you control you. Well turn that into a she and esau candidates she who angers you control you and she absolutely controls you all because she makes you also angry that you have to say something to her. She can get a rise out of any and everybody. It is truly a gif okay. She proved that yet again. Because harry styles responded to her posting pick of himself in a powder blue suit eaten a banana with the caption bring back manly men and is replied when people try to tell me. I don't have influence then. Harry styles dedicates an entire post in my tweet. She's right and that leads to noah cyrus on her i g story. Wednesday noah shared a photo of harry's thousand address with the caption. He wears this dress better than any of you. Nappy assholes now. I'm not the highest grade in dispensary okay. I'll tell you. I tell you this all the time but i thought it was universally known in acknowledged that a white person calling a black person. Nappi was a no go okay. The last time. I heard a white person put nappy in holes in the same sentence publicly with don imus referred to the mostly black rutgers university email basketball team backing like oh six. Oh seven As nappy head. Nappy headed and he got his ass. Handed him over that. Okay recipes. Don imus i think he's dead. I know is only twenty. But i find it hard to believe. She didn't know what she was saying. Okay she apologized and said. I am mortified that i use the term without knowing the context and history but i know now am horrified and truly sorry i would never use it again. Thank you for educating educating me. I in no way meant to offend anyone. I am sorry. Now here's the thing we all say things we regret. We all go too far at times. Trust me i notice is charlemagne to god talking. Okay leonard you know. I've said some wild insensitive inappropriate stuff in my day. Yes when you heard someone and i wasn't giant tension. You apologize if you didn't know that what you were saying was offensive and insensitive. You apologize but the question. I have for young. No aspires is if he didn't mean for it to be offensive. In what did you intend for it to. Okay it's hard for me to believe that you didn't know the context in history of that word. Clearly you knew it was an insult. Nappy assholes is very specific so specific that. I can't even remember the last time i used it. Nappy is not in my vocabulary. Okay maybe because i'm ball headed i don't know but i don't use that word last time. I use it out. Probably quoting stretched from naughty by nature. When i was watching them the uptown anthem video in the god said the naughty nappy. Nasty nasty trashy whole happy pappy. That's happy to be nappy happy. Belated by the way to try to turn fifty tomorrow. The story is nappy as unique. Were okay when you pull it out without. Asked the us against the black towards him in that way is kinda hard to say. You didn't know what the hell you was talking about. But i digress. Not judging you not trying to beat up on you just trying to keep you and other white folks for making this mistake see. You can't say racially insensitive things. The black folks even if said black person is someone. A particular group of black people doesn't like and black people. You may not like candace owens but she still black whether you think she realizes it so. Don't let this fly just because you don't like candace. Owens is not okay for a white person to be referring to a black woman as one nappy into a ho. please give noah styles. The biggest yaw
Just Fly Performance Podcast
How COVID-19 Is Taking Us Back to the Core of Training and Human Movement
"Jeremy. Good to talk to you man. I feel like we talk about youth sports a lot and what would happen. I think about what happened if there was a big just atomic bomb so to speak dropped on the youth sports industry and it had to kind of restart from the ashes and on some level. Maybe were were there at least for the time being. But what do you think about that stuff with how kids are? What's what's what's happening in the level of kids in play right now with all that. Yeah well I think that you're stuck. You're stuck at home. You're stuck in your neighborhood and even are not even allowed you know. The kids are excited to be at a school right. You can't go anywhere you can't go to anyone's house you can't go on you know go play with any kids are not a close anyways so as we were saying before it's like. I think the one of the things that kids are doing a lot of that. I've seen it might have been doing it as ride bikes. You know because you typically away from each other. You're not too close not jumping wrestling like that. So I think that's one those things that You know we've talked about this before two things. The kids used to do that. Don't do anymore and this is one of a ride. Bikes is sort of like brought back from the ashes. Which is which is nice to see any other thing like we've been. We've been playing a lot of wiffle ball stick ball you know any of those games. We took the dog out the other day. I had up by one of my sons aluminum bat and I had aluminum bat. And we're GONNA tennis ball back and forth down the down the street to each other while the dog ran in the middle. You know what I mean. That's typically. He's at baseball practice or or or basketball practice. We even die. I don't know if you see my video but I we moved the We have a trampoline at our house and we moved the basketball hoop over above the trampoline. So that gets throwdown dunks and and play different games inside the inside trampoline which is pretty awesome too. So I know someone's going to get their hands header with gotten these days but still I'm worth I'll take that chance. Yeah they're gonNA be one of those youtube videos were like they're they're gets caught at their hanging upside down when I went out Saturday night my youngest son see seventy was like just hanging on the red after a dunk thinking these lebrons so you know it's keeping them busy and to keep it a move in and that's we need right now for sure. Yeah and it's going back at. Ci taking kids out of organized sports for the time being going back to the the fundamentals of everything the thing they probably should be doing more of right now anyways then I I like CR- with riding bikes to it. Just makes me think about all the all the creativity that comes out when kids ride bikes to you know you're coming. You're find different ways to go off curbs and and you know get around and then there's you know even though it's a bike and that's not necessarily running on the ground there's still. There's so many things that are happening. That are really exciting. Yeah Yeah for sure. There's a lot of like you know those those those little skills that you don't even think about like dynamic balance and and you know being able to like lateral balance. That's one of those ones right like side like you get you get good even like when you try to accelerate your like believing that bike like side to side while you're driving your feet it's route. I always loved how that looks when you see like Bmx guys racing stuff. So in of course the first thing my kids one of my kids did is the ramp who is that. They took their bike out. So everyone's riding down a little hill in China hit the ramp and jumping off the ramp and obviously someone falls right. Got To get up and scrape it off and stuff like that so but it's Yeah I feel like silver lining. I guess some of the things that are happening because of what's happening in the world where we're having to go back to things that that we did when we were kids you know so. It's it's exciting for I. Guess but I'm still not easy like my kids. Still my kids still have chromebooks and then they still WanNa go on there and and spend a Lotta time doing that. Stuff for playing. Ps four and all that but but You know that's one of those things where we have to deal with that to work around it yet. Yeah no I hear you. It's definitely a little bit of a balanced specially this age. But I I'd seen someone else posts out on social media. They said both for the first time in forever whatnot. I've seen Esau kids playing like in the neighborhood or something like that and I mean people like even just so many people who walk through my neighborhood as well you know what I mean just that I don't normally see just out for walks and trying to get outside Nocco stir-crazy inside their house so there was like two ladies walking around on Friday night at. They both had glasses of wine. Just walk into the streets hysterical hub. Jerry you had posted something about and I'm not too familiar with Something I I. I'm assuming someone had a more formal like he's pushups or like. Get your sweat on for kids. Type training thing you posted and versus as we've been talking about just kids playing and doing doing stuff right and so tell me a little bit about that in verse so that have been tallied versus some of the year. What your kids are doing. I think you ought to fund story to about your son had to run up the stairs and touch the various like furniture in a room and come back or so. Tell me about a little contrast between that type of mentality and then what you're doing so I think that it's not. I'm not trying to blame anyone but I think like you know. Probably some parents are adults. Think like Oh you know I do. This type of this type of exercise is good for me. It's probably good for kids and while moving is great for kids the only mean they don't respond or really care or have like the maturity to understand what exercise really is you know what I mean. They only movement they know games. They know things that engages them. It makes them happy. You know what I mean so I think that I think that trying to force them to do. Exercise is because you do it in or I should say an adult. Does it You Know I. It's obviously yeah. Movement is great but there's better ways in it's better ways to engage kids in there's better ways to get them to love movement that rather than get him to force them to do exercise in. It's like everybody way program. It's gotta be like just like you got to the ideas like to be out of breast while if you want kids to be out of breath outside play game of tag or play a game of hide seek or you know. Play a game of like a chase. Where like you have to run down. Play pickle those games kids have fun. There's objective they can they? There's A. There's a goal you know you've got to be safe for. You're going to be out you know there's things like that that they totally grasp and understand And so that's why I think those type of activities are so much better than just can't get the try to exercise you know. Obviously there's a point where a kid probably can exercise like I have a son that is He'll be thirteen in in a month right and he the day he was. He didn't WanNa go outside. Blais you know play with younger kids so I was like. Why don't you go downstairs in? You know go get a workout in. So he went out and did like you know thirty seconds so lunches medicine lamps and you know he did some he doesn't care about swings and things like that so he's sort of getting making that transition whereas like my younger my youngest son you know. He'll he'll plan a trampoline. He'll run around. He'll ask me to make him an obstacle course. Who WANNA wrestle? Daughter judge gymnastics so I brought home some gymnastics mats and she does cartwheels and flips and things like that. You know what I mean. So I think that's where you got to try to find movements and exercise and activities. That kids enjoy. That will lead them to do more than you know. Up Thirty minutes sweat of a body
Short Wave
Harvard Professor's Arrest Raises Questions About Scientific Openness
"So it's May of Twenty fifteen. And a researcher named Chichaou. Shing is at his home near Philadelphia. She is a physicist at Temple University who studies SUPERCONDUCTIVITY SPECIAL MATERIALS. That can sometimes lead electricity flow through them with no resistance. There's a ton of applications for it and all of a sudden there's a knock door very very loud and urgency rental open the learns Esau arm agents outside and pointing their guns to my wife and daughters into an Tokyo in Hong Cups and I had absolutely no idea why okay. So why was he arrested? Like what was going on what the. Us government accused him of sharing a special piece of equipment with researchers in China. But here's the thing he did. Do it prosecutors. Were confused because well it turns out. Superconducting technology is just really complicated. But what about the idea that he was helping? The Chinese developed superconducting technology. Just in general. Well Dr she says sure. He works with scientists in China all the time and sometimes he spent summers over there doing research with them. But as you know Mattie one of the basic pillars of fundamental research is openness nothing. He shared was classified or restricted in any way. Qadam ICK espionage. It's a contradiction me. Everything we are doing is fundamental research. There's nothing to steal can. Just sit there and read your paper and sure enough about six months after this whole thing starts. The charges are dropped against doctor she. The government admits he's done absolutely nothing. Wrong I mean honestly it sounds like he just had collaborators which is like a major thing in science unless there was some weird money. Thing being exchanged or going on this is what scientists do. Yeah I mean. They're technologies that are restricted for example stuff to do with rockets that could be used in missile development say. The government has very strict rules about sharing that kind of information but generally scientists open collaborations. Happened all over the world. The thing is China is getting a lot more scrutiny. These days so fast forward to twenty eighteen attorney general. Jeff sessions is really concerned about the theft of scientific knowledge and intellectual property by the Chinese so the Justice Department launches what it calls its China initiative the goal is to crack down on the transfer of US knowledge to China and in the academic community the focus. False really quickly. I'm one program in particular. It's called the thousand Talents Plan. So our understanding is that originally. The purpose of the thousand talents program was to reverse the brain drain. That's Michael Lower. He's deputy director of extramural research at the National Institutes of health. And he's the main guy at NIH dealing with thousand talents. When he says brain-drain an example of that is like scientists. Go abroad to study and then end up staying in whatever country instead of coming back home. Exactly the Chinese government wanted to bring back outstanding scientists to China so as to develop their science and technology and the way the Chinese government does is by offering money so researchers set up labs in China and they spend at least part of their year over there Doing their work in exchange for grants and expenses paid and the program grew pretty quickly to include non-chinese scientists as well right and I think there are these kinds of programs in other countries to yeah. It's not uncommon. Canada had something called the one hundred fifty research chairs. I mean. That's kind of the less ambitious Canadian equivalent. Chevy Sega but with lower says is the thousand talents program has gone too far in the real problem from his perspective is that in a number of cases researchers are not telling their home universities or the. Us government for that matter about Chinese funding and not disclosing that Chinese funding. That's what's actually against the law. Exactly the types of behaviors that we are seeing are not subtle or minor violations What we're seeing is really quite egregious and that brings us back to Charles Lieber. The Harvard Chemist We were talking about earlier. Who is arrested back in January the complaint alleges Doctor Lieber signed a contract with the Chinese University in Wuhan and was paid to fifty thousand dollars per month plus up to one hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars in living expenses and awarded more than one point five million dollars to set up a research lab at the Chinese school and work there on researching nanotechnology that is a lot of money. Jeff that is like ten post docs full of money. At least I love that. Your brain calculates prices in post is seen but the bottom line is. It is a lot of money in the criminal complaint. Alleges not only did he get all this money. Lieber lied about being part of the program to Harvard to the NIH in the Department of Defense. Which together we're also giving him many millions of dollars in research money. I should say Lieber attorneys declined to comment about this case. They didn't WanNa speak to me but Mike clower from the NIH says there's a larger pattern here other scientists have done the same and it's a real problem. Collaboration does not involve offshore offshore bank accounts. collaboration does involve undisclosed cash payments. It does not involve undisclosed employment agreements or undisclosed contracts. It does not involve double dipping. Where a person is being paid salary to work in China and to work in the United States at the same time several scientists and other institutions have been fired over this he says the NIH is currently investigating around one hundred eighty other scientists. He thinks this is a systemic problem. So if these cases involve lying failing to disclose information which we do know is against the law. Why are scientists doing this? It's a really interesting question and I don't have a great answer as I said. Liebers attorneys have declined to speak to me In other cases other scientists who've been fired don't talk to the press generally now lower says. In some cases the thousand talents contracts scientists sign actually come with a nondisclosure agreements. So they're actually told by the Chinese not to say anything which is illegal but there's also more going on I mean it may be then some cases they fear if they disclose money from the Chinese. They are going to get more scrutiny on their work and then something else to consider is the possibility of just plain old greed the criminal complaint against Charles Lieber alleges and I should say alleged here that he was receiving cash payments from the Chinese. That some of this money was just coming straight up cash. Okay so the sounds problematic for sure but is it espionage. Maybe I have like an outdated old timey spy version of espionage but it doesn't necessarily feel like that to me no I mean. It isn't really espionage. I think it's really important to say that. Lieber isn't technically being accused of espionage. The government this is about the money and I think it's very telling the US government's going after the money rather than transfers of technology like you remember that superconducting case earlier. It's really hard to tell of. Someone's doing something illegal when they're collaborating scientifically and that's also got some people wondering whether these sorts of cases really deserve criminal treatment so frank who is somebody I spoke to. He's a professor at the University of California Hastings College of Law and he tracks these espionage cases and says arresting people for issues around what they disclosed for their grants. It just feels heavy handed to him zone. The past if there was a problem somebody would talk to you. Maybe you would face disciplined from your employer but you wouldn't face being fired and going to prison and having your name dragged through the mud as a spy in fact the same day. Lieber was arrested the Justice Department announced the arrest of two Chinese nationals. They say had lied on visa. Applications and illegally transferred biological samples. These aren't exactly the same kind of case. But you know it's the same general flavor. It sounds like a lot of people who have been accused are Chinese nationals or ethnically Chinese. Does we think that racism plays a role in this well would midst. There are some real espionage cases that involve Chinese people and they have been convicted. But they're sort of larger tone around all this. It sounds very familiar to him. No matter how assimilated. You are no matter how much you think yourself. I'm an American just like any other American winner of Chinese background. There's that risk always that people will look at you and suspect you're actually communist agent now. I should say. Us officials categorically denied. This has anything to do with race. I interviewed Andrew Leveling the federal prosecutor. Who ARRESTED LIEBER? And he said this if it was the French governments that was attempting to steal. Us technology in a massive decadelong campaign. We'd look for French people. But it's not it's the Chinese government and he actually points to the Lieber case as an example of how they're willing to prosecute anyone they think is broken the law by lying but even if the government doesn't think it's racial profiling it's definitely having an effect on the Chinese research. Community your remember. Chichaou shing the researcher who was falsely accused that we talked about well. I asked him. Does he still work with colleagues? In China. The short answer is yes but the more Ah Longer answer. Is that to my research. Now is much much smaller than used to be. And that's because he doesn't want to apply for federal grants anymore. He's afraid he'll do something wrong so every time I do all this conflict of interest floor alright to all these Grant applications and check boxes and also I I I I shake I I. I'm scared that if anything I didn't do exactly accurately I could be in
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