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WTH #840: 10 Years of Podcasts
"Hey everybody welcome in to another episode of the w. t. h. Podcast name is nate. That is jason. That is kareem and i just yelled at both of them in case you can't read or you're listening and not watching if you right behind jason's head ten years anniversary. This show marks ten years. That i've been podcast ten years. Wow right a decade of podcast. That is longer than i've had any job. That is longer than. I've had any relationship outside of family. And not gonna at you for that because that was being proactive. And it's longer than i spent at any school because you know first through eighth grade. You shouldn't spend ten years. They're just say one. Kevin tanna for our theme music that you're hearing right now. Thank you kevin if you want to check him out. He's got his own youtube channel. He will teach you all about guitars how to play them how to buy them to make love to them. I don arrive in really gone in depth. Does he discover that kareem. I metaphorically speaking. He's stroking that'd be clarence carter clarence good. God clarence qatar boy. So we'll see Oh award got heart. I like it when we get a hard early on. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy and it's not just the air conditioning that's not really cooling room like we're getting new air conditioning. Here darling new media it's coming lynch. Landlord has promised at the landlord's part of the building actually hotter than it is here. So you definitely get priority coming up on the show today. We have a super sized. Fuck that guy. A lot of guys tenth anniversary. Fuck that guy. the The my pillow. Mike lindell has some thoughts about why his better business bureau rating has dropped so precipitously recipient asli. Oh boy hey jason. Could you grab that remote behind you on that shelf because the screensaver just came on on the samsung go perfect. I don't want that bouncing around the tenth anniversary. I want this to be as well as professional as that's going to be so. Yeah very excited in here earlier. Today we had the nor cow real estate show which which is on. Fire the higgin. But i mean like the markets on five the. Yeah absolutely and the higgins team has their own podcast to talk about things you should think about when you're buying or selling a home that sort of thing so super excited to have them on board they're one of our newer clients and just recorded their fourth today and everybody wants to come in and it's like i wanted to be great. I wanted to be great. Tell you after ten years of doing this. Your first episode is not going to be great. I don't care who you are. Your first episode is going to have things that when you go back and listen to it. You're like oh. I wish i had done that differently. I wish i'd done that differently. I mean you're tenth one to you. Just get to a point where you kind of go. Yeah okay that. I'll listen back now. Be like oh. I shouldn't have done that. But salabi episode eight hundred forty eight hundred and forty so before we go further. I wanted to talk to kareem out this before. We're thinking about renaming the show. Okay jason and i talked about that It's a surprise though. Talked about it after the show. If kareem is okay with it then next week we may have a new name for the show. But if you're already a subscriber you will not have to change anything it will still come to. You just may be called something different. With different artwork it's cetera et cetera. But you will not have to resubscribe or do any of that sort of shit. If you watch it on youtube you may have to go to a different place but that will all be explained. It'll all be explained if i have time if we if we. It's the last show of june two nasa lies. July's here almost on top of us right on top of us so we were not here last week for a couple of reasons. Kareem was not here. He was on the east coast. And we'll talk about that. In just a second and then i had some big doings on tuesday and it was just a lot. A lot of things happening. My mother-in-law was coming to town. She's about this week right now. 'cause i gotta shoot tomorrow too. So she's the best awesome. I had the best mother-in-law mother-in-law's shit mother ma death match bro. Oh my mother. My mother-in-law will shoot your mother-in-law in the face purview in my mother-in-law escalated quickly and then my mother-in-law will make cookies having face to face. I'm just really excited if you look on the desk in front of green and jason. That's kareem's mouse. That's been here for a month now. I really hope he takes it with. I didn't see it. Lhasa apso roaming mouse building. I i made way more evident this this time than last time kareem was here because i had it off to the side and i got busy so i didn't put it in the studio had it off to the side. And he didn't clearly he doesn't miss. It looked for the last time. But i didn't see it. I forget what usually uses his left hand anyways when he's on like i learned how. Well no i. I always mouse with right hand. I learned how to do something else with the left we've covered. Oh that's early on listened to like one of the first few episodes all their way back all there all right so Kareem let's start with you. You had a lot that went on with your trip. Back east Let's talk about it. Whatever you're comfortable with okay. So i went Went to alabama and to north carolina and went to alabama for my friend. Milton's wedding Is a beautiful small wedding. It was only five of us including the minister in the wedding. And it was probably about ten people in the audience and then we did twos Zoom so 'cause most of his folks are back here and a lot of her friends are back here because they both met out here so we did a to zoom parties at two galleries in sacramento and Like other people so So that was cool. It was interesting. 'cause i ended up having having to help with zoom because the bride's sister was familiar with is stuff. Okay so But there was a lot of crying. Wait till the honeymoon because so she gave him a picture of what ebony cover from. Nineteen sixty nine k which was of black jesus which was a painting by the artist. Who did all the art for good times. Ernie barnes And he had been looking for that painting for. I mean it Cover for forever and so So he cried because of that and then the other part was So me and him were on our way to the wedding was at their gallery so we were on our way to the gallery a and he said i gotta make a stop and i was like okay so i'm following him and we ended up at the cemetery in so he gets out of the car and he goes to her father's grave in s her father for her hand in marriage in so He does that he comes back and we go and we do our thing in so he tells this story during the reception and the people that didn't cry with she gave him her gift cried when he told that story Beautiful story beautiful wedding and the significance of ebony piece was He created a an exhibit for her in honor of his wife. That was based off. Ebony magazine covers the movies. So that was that So it was great time. Congratulations milton me. Congratulations can yes. And then i had to go to north carolina to visit my folks because my niece died right Two weeks ago or three weeks ago now and her funeral was saturday. I missed it. But i went to check in with her kids and a family because i'm close to her kids so that was A little you know that was as much as it could be with A lot of intense emotions in a trip in a trip. Yeah and then. I had to be at the airport. I had to get up at three o'clock in the morning and be airport to get there early on monday so by the time i actually got to where i was going i was kinda way down right so the all the visiting i had planned on doing that. Even in canada Got cancelled because i fell asleep. Fair fair enough of back. Yeah oh i was going to talk about it so at my nieces daughters house. She has two kids that are like three into. Why are we watching a gun. Silicon cartoon that proselytizing three-year-olds. I don't know why are you. i'd i'd like to see realize it. That's what it was doing. When was this is a god zillah cartoon and they were pretty much proselytizing in the cartoon like talking about the lord in it was really weird. Welcome to the south. Southern godzilla exactly dubbed or like an actual show show is a cartoon on flicks. No get the fuck out on netflix. Saturday amid to send it to you guys. That's how i was like what the fuck the wish dragon is it. No it's god's is guy. Three is duh third movie in the series. How yeah but i was like. Are they fucking proselytizing to a three year old godzilla. Godzilla singular point. Was that what it was. It might be. Yeah it's Is it made by who is produced by. That's that's what i need to know about this. It's apparently a brand new cast. Premiered globally on netflix. Twenty twenty one It's anime so it's from japan. Well there missionaries went to japan's saying kicked them out of china. But yeah we're there. What if what if it's best brand new new castle. How man. I'm gonna check this out because there's something going on here bro. Don't know jason tell us about the saga of the van. So i wanna be updated on the van because this has been quite a quite a thing you bought a van yes then found a better van yes and then. There was a bit of a incident with the original van. Yes let's let's get everybody up today. Okay so my night. So we've with the two kids we've had for the last for as long as we had. We've had a four door. Chevy malibu short which Putting the double stroller in that to go anywhere sucks. Because you can't carry anything else in there right so so double. Strollers are being enormous. And you've got the one that side by side. Yeah i got the one that is one behind the other which is almost better but i have to take the seats off of it. Yeah what it in the in the car. We have a two one like that also like in this huge their father and they both suck right. I mean this is the one that's nice about this is that it's it's like it's bouncy like it has like the inflatable tyres so right. It's a nice ride in that right so so so so yes we want to give you there and we found. We're looking for some some things. We got a great offer on the malibu which is five years old for like what i thought was an unbelievable price label cash offer. Hey corinne i'm sorry to interrupt you. Could you open that door. We'll just get a little air through here. It's just st- screaming hot in here now on so So yeah so anyhow so we We got we got a great deal lake And walked out the door for like under twenty five out the door out the door ankles already and it was awesome. Like great deal x plus. That's what we paid eight all the details. So anyhow so we're looking and i'm like we have thirty days because we got it from carmax thirty days to turn it in and get a new one if we for some reason we don't like that one or whatnot and he found one that you liked better way better like a day or two later there. Too late right And i went in. And i asked them to pass it off to them like to get paid one hundred bucks to get it done and they sent it over. Meanwhile on that tuesday following that like the first weekend with the new van. I run into some Some traffic on the five for construction In a part of sacramento. It's fucking nuts. Like one three was closed down at the time and the other one had two lanes of like it was fucking ridiculous. Long story short. A traffic cone got jason's van. Right in the front headlight. Yeah i was in the number three in the fall and the fog. The fog late in the bottom. It's a minor damage bottomed so anyhow so we went to the that saturday we went to look at the new vehicle because it was there. Talk to them like what's the best way to take like get it fixed and test drive this hold. We test drove it. It smells like smoke. We turn on the air conditioner and fucking. It smelled like fucking smoke. Someone using the editions. I don't know what they're fucking to and how. It was bad box in the air conditioning. My asthma it's a detector for and even like secondhand like third hand smoke like shit can give like a reaction. It sounds ridiculous but it's fucking true hundred percent like so. This band was out out So we told told them like well. We need to think about it. We knew we had time to think about it anyway. It's got the other one fixed. I found another one and said hey let me. I want to try this one out. It has less miles. It's the same price. I'll pay the the hundred dollars. This transferred i apologize but this is i want to get this one because we're definitely not going to get the other one definitely not going to get it. Oh yeah go ahead do it. So that comes in. We get it in my head from our final price. I thought we were only getting vehicle. Is three thousand dollars more plus some tax news. Four forty five hundred dollars right news strip. But i made a miscalculation all know after we are assigned to other people were sure to the tune of for four k additional so so it was about eighty five hundred dollars. Wow yeah so. It's quite supportive owner So yeah surprisingly. My wife did not kill me yet. But she hasn't killed me. She's going to do it slowly. Oh yeah here's the thing that is much like and we can afford it and then she she got a raise at work. So like everything's rate like there's no it's not a big deal you know what i mean. You've got a new you're happy with is fine with love and life drove for like four hours a day in the ninety five degree heat with the kids in there like going to different parks that are in the shade trying to find places to hang out. She's working from home guy. I wanted to do great job because you just got that raise and she has to pay for the expensive end it listen. I'm just trying to be a good househusband. trust me. i get it i. I'm in a similar situation. Except i run a business on the side on the on the side. I run a business and take care tickets so my last week my tuesday. We finalize the adoption of our foster daughter samantha became our daughter without the foster samantha. And it's a big deal. It's been two years and four months of uncertainty of waiting for the other shoe to drop at one point. She went back to Parent for two months and was then subsequently removed again and thankfully returned to us. That was very early on but it really put that moment of doubt in my mind that until it was final. It wasn't really vinyl. Even after parental rights were terminated in november november. The the wheels move slowly sometimes so I officially became a complete and total parent on tuesday at about eleven ten. Am and that was. That was a very big deal. And a lot of leslie's family came down from reading and medicine fairfield and it was just a really big day To be able to share that with everybody and they do have covered restrictions. still there We were able to take off our masks for the photos because we're vaccinated and but there was a limit of fourteen people in the courtroom total so it was like our our worker from our forever families agency. I had to let her know. Hey we're getting real. Close to the limit. So i don't want you to come all the way from sacramento fairfield to find out that you can't come into the courtroom So we did that. That was really great and then we went to lunch at sauced celebrate. And it took you sees chucky cheese and wasn't about her. It's about me so Sauce for anybody. Who doesn't know is at doco near the arena and you can park underneath the In the parking garage and they will validate for a couple of of ours. And that's great so we get everybody out of the van we go up. We get to the door. And i go oh shit. I don't know what happened to my parking ticket. And i don't want to pay the full days so i had right back down. I'm like maybe i left in. The van can't bite anywhere. Mike shit i go to one of the entrances. I try hitting the button. Oh no that doesn't work. You can't just hit a button and get a new ticket. No because they take a picture of the they recognize license plate. So i have to go to the call box and say hey this happened. And she's like okay. We'll just go to Go to an exit will buzz you out and you'll just have to re- park it's a bunch of one way streets down there so i have to go around the block and i've been gone for a bit so i text my wife and say hey. I couldn't find the ticket. So i had to leave the parking garage and part and i have apple apple play so it's great that i'm getting these tax but she's texting me back like. Why did you leave the garage. And it's like because i had to. Oh i just felt like. I just thought you know everybody's waiting for me at the barbecue restaurant rather than sit there with a nice drink and ordering my food. I'd like to cruise around in re park a van in an underground garage anyway. It sucks when we could ask those questions though. It sucks when we like right. We can't get say that by the way if if it happened to her and i asked those same questions it would be like. Why are you questioning me. Yes which valid point. Yes so anyway. Getting don't ask don't ask me. How do we only with the same term. If you talk to any guy who has a halfway decent woman yes yes we do So anyway get there. And i got a wonderful compliment from my mother in law who order to pulled pork sandwich and said the pulled pork that you make is way better than this awesome. So yeah that was it. So that's why. That's why i was here last night. I mean it was all worth it though then when she said that it was did it on not the way a little bit like fucking right away. When i didn't have to pay the full price tell you how many fucking times i've had. That fucking seem fucking mall. I swear to fuck those guys. Well the beauty is thank god. Thank god i realized at that apple through. Because i was able to go down like it's your family still at sauce i go yeah i literally just dropped them at the front door so she was really cool about letting me out and otherwise 'cause they could have just been like well. I guess you're going to have to pay for the day. I don't know when you got there. And they did not so kudos kudos for them. And i do appreciate that. All right Let's talk about. Jesus christ real quick someone on on twitter who has a blue check mark at lauren. Whiskey de tweeted. If jesus christ is now being banned for white supremacy biz. That end the controversy and confirm that jesus was indeed white kareem food banning jesus for white supremacist. Well first of all jesus is not actually on twitter. He's dead risen and gone to heaven. He's not tweeting. We'll start with that second again. I just i know this will shock you to white lady. I started this this this show by talking about a picture of black jesus so jesus was not a white supremacist. Paeans who started this country used him to get their slaves to fall in order all in line quite jesus. Jesus like hey slaves. Guess what jesus white white well to be fair. They had never been to the middle east. They didn't know they knew not had been in the middle east. The the slaves that were brought over from africa allows of the slaves had been milley's Okay there was a story of an african prince that sold into slavery so he had been to the middle east. So there's one though is is there's more nella but the you know you had the crusade so the europeans had been too so they know what color jesus well the yes so but they use him and they used all this biblical stories about slavery and how they slave submitted their masters to condone what they were doing. That does not mean that black people have given up on. Jesus they just read the rest of the bible am their rolled with that part so again. The question is if jesus christ is now being banned for white supremacy. Does that end the controversy and confirm that jesus was indeed white. Nope i like this. She used to. She put a capital w. on white by the way If let's strike that. Because jesus is not being banned no ever neighbor banned for white supremacy. No no so. How how how did how did i. I don't get it. i don't get it doesn't make doesn't make any fucking sense except for like when you see these capacitors like fucking talk like these guys are. These people are nuts man but again how does she not know at this point because she's fucking in denial that these these fucking people these people they to them. Here's the thing did this is. This is the thing that they they think in the way that they put it right. I think go on. I think a lot of it stems from in the first place. The catholic church and like you know the roman catholic church in them spreading that information and stuff like that they have using christianity. Those the catholic church has a black jesus black mother in messiah in mother in the catholic church. Yes not not the one. I went to but okay and there was a black pope. Silvester wanted the first pope's back in the beginning shit 'cause they took them from the area. There were local local residents in the day. No but i'm saying so after the council messia when they did that there was a potent fister. So i mean guess. But i mean the the crusades all that type of shit i mean that was all white Them be all those lousy will fight and stuff like that had never known it had never been like an met people that were brown necessarily with we would actually finally they fought. They went to the middle east to fight the crusade not were. They went to the middle east to fight the crusade because they didn't think that the muslim infidels should be in charge of the holy land even though the muslims took better care of the holy land than the white christians actually did. Your being. Christians did because they believed in the bible. They just didn't believe that. Jesus was the son of god to that. Except and remember hannibal and the muslims which were. Moore's which were arabs and africans bruce spain for seven hundred years before we came before they came to the united states. I mean to the americas. I'm sorry it was the mooks. The mook man not seen seinfeld. It's the most bubble boy episode of and so so for the sub four to seven hundred years before the europeans came. Here they were interacting with africa's the arabs so they knew so but i mean like white like so white jesus then came out of america came the the whole idea of whiteness. Comes out of american. Yeah yeah that's what. I was trying to get a flipping whiteness. It was it was. It would clarify it for you. Here's here's how here's how white lady thinks. Oh i'm sorry and white man so if you're if you're thinking i'm being somehow misogynistic because i'm talking about white lady this white lady. I'm talking about her. This is how this thought process goes why people are good. Jesus is good. Black people are bad. Jesus is good. Therefore jesus is white. Why jesus this their blended. That's how white jesus came and black people cursed by him. Because of you probably know this fucking bullshit that was bullshit back in the day but that was the most ridiculous that was the whole process of that was when i read the bible that i was given a cave of the book which was like definitely like white. That was white. Jesus white in book one hundred percent. Everybody was writing that book in the in in the by the bible that we were taught in school. They didn't go into what anybody was this the romans they were israelites. There were egyptians. No one talked about black white brown. Whatever because it was just people this whole thing of co-opting them co opt them. Let's move forward with pat robertson. He's got some things to say. Oh yeah is it. The people of color have been press by the white people and white people begin to be racist by the time. They're two or three months old and work. People stop interrupting pat. He's making a point now. No sorry get the fuck outta here. You'll get the fucking say like two or three million. We're not even to fuck out guy yet this. This isn't even in fuck that guys but it's this guy. No no no no. We're going. I need to get a breakdown of what you have to listen to what he says. Don't want because we have to break this down. That's what we do here. Or the people of color have to rise up and overtake their oppressors. And then having gotten the we're panel. If i can use the term then to instruct their white neighbors how to behave the that's critical race theory. What is it the okay now. I don't know a lot about critical race theory. But i'm pretty sure that that is not in fact criticized critical race theory kareem. What will you be doing once you get the. If i can say it handle well already gotten my white woman. So put doing that. Which has credit though. That's what i'm saying. My wife has texted me. Maybe maybe the listening live and let's see. oh no. she was looking for something and she founded did. Did you something. I think that was a typo so this is exactly what this text message says. 'i openness up and it's as did you something from spunk and love the next text messages. Never mind i found it. The answer to this question is but anything from anywhere called spunk. In do not clear. Your browser history always ask duck duck. Go shit yeah. That's a real time. I thought it was. I wish my wife would find my point. All right so gone so critical race. Theory is now though the new republican boogeyman And I can't remember the guy's name but joy reid had him on last week and mc played party speech out of school and he pretty much says that that's what they're doing. They're just using the as a catchall boogeyman because it is only taught in college at the advanced levels like you. You're not even getting in your bachelor. You know your first four years. It's like an advanced level. Course that you're going to get and it's taught in law school. I've never heard of it. It'll just recently. I've heard of it. Because i've read some of this. I read some of the books i've got books by derek bill and some of the people in and actually beside even can described as critical race theory in the books but So now is is the boogeyman and they keep. They keep saying that people that aren't critical race theorists are critical race theory. Is anybody has black anything that talks about slavery anything that has to do anything with social justice in our. It's now lumped in as critical race theory and history direct historical and say. This is critical racist. I know it's fucking history is history history. It's not. There's something good about happened in oklahoma or do you want to say that there is something good about slavery if you do. You're a fucking racist is and it goes back to what i said before the show. Which is the reason why people are against the government in gets the courts now is because they started making the playing field level and they still. We still got a sit a long way to go but once they started doing like brown versus board of education and making those decisions then all of a sudden white people didn't want the things that they want it because they were afraid. Black people are gonna get Get these things and in because they think it's a zero sum game which is what pat thinks is and and what it really describes is white fear. Which is that we will do to you guys. You guys did answer. we're fucked. Yes that's what the total is the most ridiculous fucking. It's the candia has his new podcast. He had the woman talking about that. I like the first episode which was amazing which is about how racism and And what is it able ism. Or i got like like well. He labeled him critical race theorists. And he's not not. Here's the story. And he actually does so and she actually asked a question about the to and he's like no. He doesn't believe that he doesn't like he doesn't even describe. He describes racism kind of as a thing that people do as opposed to saying. All people are racist right. So that's not even the way. He even discusses the subject. He's talking about it as behavior as opposed to judging the people as being bad right. So that's the way he discusses it so you can't even put that on him if you listen to what he says. And when he his whole brandies it's about love and bringing people together any hope in america like he has hope in. This country believes that things can be fixed. And and who is this because you yelled through it. I couldn't even candy k. h. e. n. d. i just yelled kennedy like his. He has a new be anti-racist which is new podcast was like three episodes. It's amazing because he's not doing it at darling new issue with him. Sorry we got beef. I read that. I haven't read the book yet. I have the book. My wife had the book One of his books How to be an anti-racists in any out like the podcast. Because i have not read it in. I'm so magazine articles and stuff like that you know. Explain this to my sister. When i was home. Because she she's in the black cunanan section. Which is oh boy. it's it's crazy. Craziest non sit the way. This government was set up. And if you actually run it the way it's supposed to be. It is the best form of government in the world. The problem is people in power. Don't want to give up their power. And benjamin franklin used to talk about it when he when he was talking about the formation of the country which was as long as the people in power had the best interests of the country in power in the country would be great but when the people into power stop having the best interest of the country. This is how we end up where we are and we have a republican party. That's not even fucking bringing up ideas At this point or trying to create legislation that's really good legislation that this point they just want power and so that's your problem and the country isn't designed to be a one party system to parties is what makes makes us work and if you break fucking down you're gonna break down the country and and they're so fuck so far gone with what they're doing that they don't even understand how close they are to take us to the precipice of not not existing as the country that i mean that that we should be and it's so sad that an an an i beam. Milton got into it about ronald reagan again. Because he says or he gets too much blame but no fucking all he did has has fucking put us in this position all that he started as put us where we are to the point. Where we're gonna that he started when he was in california just in the local california government. You know you can complain about some. What about the health. Cena california because it's democratically run and you can nitpick it because it's a one sided government but you know you got people to everybody wants to leave. But where are you going to you go to go to texas. And now you're not gonna have any fucking power because their power grid is going be people hand. Millions of texas is paying build the border wall with that. Been two hundred and fifty million dollars on something that a lot of people say it's a bad idea well and especially people who have land near the near the rio grande because it's fucking with their land rights and and again is something that white people to prevent black people or brown people from having an existence that's equal today ears. They will shoot themselves in the foot to to do it. It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face all right. Let's move on. It's time for this. Fuck that guy that we already know. No no no. No we start with a guy named stew peters Stupider was on something called. Rv 'em live you've Stu is a right wing. Conspiracy theorist in case you're wondering he's got some thoughts about what happens. If trump doesn't come back have been able to take over the entire media. They have caused a mass exodus of good police officers. That are there for the right reason. They have started the indoctrination of your kids with critical race theory. Now they are supposed to feel badly about themselves specifically if they're white not only feel badly about themselves and repent but also join a force of evil to eradicate whiteness completely. The no no. I mean in one sense. Yeah let's fucking obliterate whiteness leg. It's not the way he me not the way it means. He's he's meaning the scare people into that. There's going to be a mass extermination of anyone whose what which is ridiculous. Have completely taken. God out of everything now. I saw in one st last night that they're trying to get rid of in god. We stay on a license plate in state. I don't remember exactly what it is. Okay which has in. God we trust on the license plate by the way. If you have to have that on your license plate you need to pay attention to the road and stop relying on god this and also there's only fifty states which state you're fucking live on national television and you have not fared one of your docking points to be very. He's live on stupider dot get the fuck outta here. I don't give a fuck man although it is still on our currency probably not for too long and they have purged our military with this woke ness so all all of that has been done and this was also amid an engineer manmade intentionally released virus from the lab and han where we unapologetically said that it came from you set. I said it. We were liars. We were conspiracy. Theories were tim boyle hats. It has now come true. No no no no. It's not that it came true. No-one no-one conspiracy theories because it came from lab. If it did come from a lab which we don't believe it could come from the wet market. It could have come from a lab. It could have come from a couple of different options. Came from wuhan. Nobody i mean we would have had our guys there that were there in the first place and they had been sent home and twenty seventeen. We might have an idea nobody. Nobody has ever denied. It came from wuhan. Nobody nobody nobody. If you're saying no no it was engineered in a lab to be to be this and they decided to just kill all of the people in wuhan. I really seen the vaccine. Excuse me was bioweapon. Two point zero which is stronger than the ineffective virus that thao she wanted to get his hands on he has now developed this delta version. Whatever it is. They're going to only continue to get more and more deadly and because any is like you are getting vaccinated. That's why they're going that guy. More and more deadly viruses have variants. It's it's science. Yes and six hundred thousand dead. Americans i would say is pretty deadly. I think so. I would say that's pretty deadly. I wouldn't call that an ineffective virus. It killed six hundred thousand americans. How many people were killed in vietnam. Fuck that guy. Less than six hundred thousand americans. Saying i'm not playing the rest of his thing. All right and exactly punch guys like them in the face as bad as zone. Well jason. that's why it's called. Fuck that guy. A right-wing pastor. Greg locke had a sermon these sex trafficking mongrels are to expose. These thousand. hollywood are gonna be exposed for. He's literally in a circus tent in a circus tent they are. I don't care what you think about fraudulent sleepy joe. He's a sex trafficking in demon possessed mongrel. he's left. He ain't no better than the pope and oprah winfrey and. Tom aches and arrested at wichita. God is gulf forty. The whole house down said he's going to bring the whole house down. Okay that's that's quite a group of evil. You've got there. joe biden. The pope oprah winfrey and tom. Hanks i bet you there's more sex trafficking you can go on his church in anywhere. Well we know about matt gaetz. Allegedly there's another minute of him. But i had enough guy all right. I just can't put that guy. Like oh my god now fuck. That guy isn't necessarily just about guys. Oh no mostly because our next contestant in fuck that guy who voted against having a commission to study what happened and determine what happened on january. Six now marjorie taylor. Green wants to be on the january six slut committee that nancy pelosi is going to name without republican support because republicans are like. Oh we don't wanna know what happened on that day. Wants you to know that we were involved but She wants to be on the committee fact. She says she wants to be on the committee. Serve on the committee. Would you like to be on. the committee. said put me on the committee. That'd be great. You know you would show up and ask questions and really. Of course i would. I've worked all my life. And i would work hard there as well. Oh she sounds like such that guy just like such a good little margie. green taylor. She's a such a nice lady now. she's an idiot occur. Let's let's let's not forget that. No i'm just saying that guy. I've never she's practice that faked by the way if you didn't want to have a committee and you voted against having a committee you don't get to be on if i can committee right. Go sit joe dumb ass down somewhere right. Kristie canyons does not get invited to the bitty titty committee meetings. Oh no here's your eighties. Reference kids ten years of gas christie canyons Up next in fuck that guy. It's our old friend. Tucker carlson shumpert. Thanks so much for coming on. So there is this feeling even among republicans that if the chairman of the joint of staff comes out in hearing and all of a sudden starts attacking people because of their skin color. You're just supposed to ignore it. Because he's a general in. You're not shut up. Do you think we should ignore this. Yeah no no way. Even hit has is like what the fuck was. That was that. Because i i watch their hearing and there was no way attack anybody about their skin color. No no not one bit. Not one bit not talked about how inclusive they are and they have tried to be for a number of years they have they have worked on it again. It's like the rest of america has not been a total success but it is better than most of the country though the lower third on the tucker. Carlson show They cycle through a couple of them. one says general milley white people seized white rage. Yeah he says that he said. I want to get to the bottom of the other. Lower thirds racist. Anti white mania is taking over america. Fuck that guy and again. The the mistake they make is. Which is the mistake. They made during the mccarthy era. Where was it brought up with. The mistake that they made was when they started attacking the military and the police. And that's where we are with. Yeah with with those idiots and the crazy thing is the reason why a military was because donald trump's was his name The lawyer i'll no nocco it. The lawyer who he learned how to be tr- donald troy. Roy cohn was mad because the military did something to the guy that he had a crush on and so he started going after the military because of that because his boyfriend. So fuck guy all right. Self proclaimed prophet robin bullock has a photo he. He has some claims about president biden in. This is pretty ominous the campaign that he clearly lost. He lost big. He lost enough to be ashamed except he didn't. He got more votes than anybody in history. He lost enough to tell him. Nobody locks you joe. I mean he lost enough to know that. Hey i mean it was so bad. If they would show him the real numbers the man would be ashamed. I mean i'd like to see the real numbers have not seen the really. We've we've seen okay very good. I remember he leaned into the mike and told president trump. You're coming for you. And he growled out this demonic sound. I can't make the sound. It's called an old man whisper. Yes it was this demonic voice. I've heard him make it again recently. Yeah it's old man whisper. He's old and it's also like you're a fucking idiot. So i'm gonna fucking whispering so you get the fucking idea what i'm trying to say. Listen when he did. I went back. And i took a picture. I think it was at that. Moment is one of the moments. I took a picture phone right on television. He took a picture of television with his phone. Good for you man. Looks like there's nobody else's picture. I took it and went. Pull i was led to when i pulled it up. His is at that moment. I can't see it but tell me if we can put that up on the screen and it's clear on the on the is. We're trying to do something here for you. Okay it's up there now yes okay. It's up there now. Look at the is if you look at the is you'll notice. There's they're serpents pupils. No no they're not. You have a shitty camera vote and you take a picture of tv. Fuck that guy. Just just say he looks like a homeless. He looks like a home white. Do who decided. He looks like billy. Ray cyrus through on a big old mummy wig and he tried to grow dreads and then he stopped in the process. It's true but he also he also Has conversations with god by the way in god's told him some things the lord told me this he said everyone knows you and i know that the democrat party is evil you crazy. The more told me there suck guy all right we're done can handle. I already looked at some. This share all of it. And like i definitely like lost like of brain cells. The first time. I laid probably double the dose. This time like fuck man. Yeah yes fucking bullshit. It's really something. I was talking to god in. God told me everybody knows you know it. The democrat party's even by the way. Do you think god who oversees the entirety of the universe is really that hot on us politics. jesus christ. We are egotistical narcissistic bucks. Fuck that guy. All right moving on mike lindell. We're okay yeah. biden's serpent is knows. Whisper whisper it's creepy. No it was a fucking flakes. It was fucking flex from the bucket president states to tell that person that they're fucking idiot like i don. That's what i got from it. Is that what you got from it. Yes 'cause i've had old white man's talk to me like that and the only talk to you like that when they think you're fucking piece of shit and you did not listen to what they fucking said like. I don't know. I come from a long line of white very mike. Lindell's speaking of white men he. He has a history issue because His his company mypillow better business bureau rating that was allegedly in a blessing. Before and then you start off. I don't know what it was or not. He's saying it went from a+ to to an f. business bureau the crooked better chuck from an a plus to an app still. An app is fantastic. The better business bureau tikki to f. from any plus to enough when i went all in for donald trump in two thousand six better. Okay this is talk about this. Let's talk about this real real quick the better business bureau. They hit me up by the way and they wanted so. So here's a fun fact about the business bureau. I was not aware of They shake you down for money. You can tell you that right. And they're nonprofit. I get it. And they're nonprofit does not mean that it's a good thing they so they so they're like they go through this whole thing like bob blah. It'll be this much. And i'm like okay because i'm thinking it's for like a year. 'cause that's a it's a nominal amount as at she starts going through the whole thing and i said hold on. Is that a month and she goes. Yeah and by the way. It's a certain amount and it's a certain amount more for each employee. I add which by the way bloom. Shit oh god. That's blue shit that you're going to rape my business. Which fine i get it. That's what you do. That's great but then turn around and go but if you hire two people it's going to cost you an extra ten dollars a month to be in this whole thing. And but they do send you a sticker. They can put on the window. I gotta printer right by the way. The amount was more than i pay for anything per month outside of my lease payment. And when i was when i when i had to pay for internet internet. It's more than my phone is every month. It's more than this than than. I'm paying for stream yard every month on an annual basis. Right there and i'm not going to do that and then go. Oh well. I want to hire a part timer. Oh but i'm going to have to pay an extra ten dollars a month to the better business bureau so back when i used to manage the spa found out how much of these to shake right. Not just the better business bureau so yes. I wasn't gonna call him by name but yes our friends sushi. Brian hates yell. Yes they will they will take. They will take your bad rating off for price. Sure and they tell allegedly allegedly and they to have operatives that they send out again. I'll fucking call them operatives because they go to trainings fucking learn how to companies over to give them a lower like they do everything right but they do everything they can to get fucking horrible experience when they go and then they. They'd yelp about it. You want to know what's a bad experience when you when you're on an airplane and decide you wanna get off. Its tells me a passenger open. The door of the plane taxied and jumped out onto the tarmac chelsea. Just on the scene chelsea and there's more to this details still coming in about this mean you've got to decide to have been terrifying moments for the passengers on that plane when this happened. That suspects allegedly tried to get into the cockpit before opening that door. And then jumping right onto the tarmac. As you mentioned. Here's what we have confirmed so far so this here's what i've confirmed so far. He didn't jump directly onto the tarmac. The inflatable slide deployed and he jumped onto that. When i saw this because and even the headline flight leaving. Lax interrupted after passenger opens. Door jumps onto taxiway. You'll left out the part where he slides down the inflatable slide. He didn't drop twenty feet from the plane to the tarmacs. When i heard that. I'm like holy shit road. Rest like mother did right. I'm like holy shit. No no the pula. Slide deployed so. My cousin flew off the back of a truck on a mattress. You on purpose. He was laying on the back of mattress trying to hold it down in the week. That is amazing. And he lost half a side of beef. Oh so so. If this dude had jumped out of plane on the tarmac right he fucked. he'd be oh yes Yes he would've went to the house but he went to the did jail. He went to the hospital. They wouldn't have had to go look for him. Because he's as been scrape scrape it than what bob determine. Local news settled down so where was that l. a. La's so but i did. They say what what it was about why he did it. No i don't know i've i've clicked off. I can imagine he was fucking hell of fucking high heat a whole chocolate bar and he was like wait a minute. This is going to fuck that place up in the worst experiences is getting on your flight. That's a four hour flight in somebody's kid takes a shit right close. It's to be a half hour before they can change that. Just say all right. Let's move on florida kareem's cousin edition florida land eventual moment and crazy. This is florida kuna curious about where the average street dealer safely stores their stash. Well wonder no more a florida. Man whose rap sheet include more than a dozen drug convictions was arrested last month. After jailers discovered four crystal rocks of methamphetamine stored inside the defendant penis skin. Oh he was uncircumcised. That's right guy shaft. Bang atoms that name. Chef bang adams. I was areas. Yes he's thirty. Took shaft bang was collared for driving with a suspended or revoked license and book to the orange county. Jail in orlando atoms. An orlando residents was really with the lockup owing to his twenty plus prior convictions for offenses like domestic assault battery possession of a controlled substance delivery of cocaine possession of a firearm by a convicted felon walsum prisonment and possession of drug paraphernalia so during the jail intake process he was subjected to strip search during which directional officers reported finding poor crystal rocks of white in color inside the skin. A subsequent field test of the rocks tested positive for methamphetamine. Pulled back his force. That's what i wanna know. Officer friendly look weaken. Your turtle popped out here. Here's what i know. Here's what i know. The strip search thorough in he He was charged with possession of meth introducing. Contraband into a penal institution both penalties. He spent eight days in custody before he posted to grant and bond He's back behind bars. Following his arrest on cocaine and resisting arrest charges so chef. Bang back in the slammer. Also in florida and also kareem's cousin edition in an unprovoked attack. A seven eleven customer was injured when a fellow patron through a glass jar of tostitos salsa him with such force that container broke on the victims back out according to court filings literal truth. Saleh's is latrell l. e. apostrophe trail. He's thirty one arrested on felony battery charge for allegedly striking the victim with a fifteen and a half ounce jar. That's almost a pound inside the convenience store and saint petersburg these six foot two inch. Three hundred pound man is locked up in the pinellas county jail. Low forty five hundred dollars bond. In addition to the battery counties facing a theft wrap for allegedly stealing a choco taco ice cream bar. So either he told on him or he was given him so much shit while they were in the door that he'd specific and finally in florida corner kareem's cousin addition We've got entries from the poultry. Police blotter a brotherly argument over. Some chicken turned violent when a florida. Man allegedly threw a knife at his siblings. According to cops suze the airborne weapon got stuck in the victims right leg. Messiah harris smith. Who's nineteen is facing. A felony aggravated battery charge in connection with the incident and his family saint petersburg home. The victim told police. He did not want his brother. Prosecuted will need to receive stitches. There's no further description of the chicken argument. He pled not pled not guilty released from county jail on over cognizance. But it's not the first time he's run afoul the law. He was arrested this year for allegedly pushing and threatening to kill his mother during an argument in their home. Here's what i say. Maybe it's time for him to look for another place to live to exactly. And that's florida corner kareem's cousin edition for. Yeah his ass out right you only get one. That's it all right hands. A yuma combined home like no you got to go well and then then when you throw a knife and stab your brother. I mean that's a different story. Some brother shifts same is the second time this brothers ship with jazzy ma. You can't say no coming back from that all right now just to prove that. The greatness doesn't just happened in florida but it's concentrated there in iowa after realizing that dipping sauce was not included in chicken mcnuggets order. I get this. It pisses you off. I get it. I really do and i will. Man called his local mcdonalds and threatened to blow up the restaurant to be various talking about taking a big shit. His name robert goal with sir. He's forty two and these white jason. I know. I said it was iowa. But i wanted to make sure after doing creams cousin addition. He was arrested on saturday and charged with making a false report about an explosive or incendiary device. That was a felony. He reportedly phoned a threat into the mcdonald's five miles from his home in des moines suburb. The threat cops showed came after he discovered. Mcdonalds order was out of dipping sauces. The threatening called the restaurant was placed from a phone number associated with him according to criminal complaint in addition to claiming he would blow up the eatery he threatened to assault and employees when questioned by cops. He admitted that he called the victim and made threats. He was released from jail after posting. Bond complain does not specify which flavor or flavors dipping sauce. We're left off. That caused him to lose his shit. But there you go like this could be how i go right us. Among us has not been so pissed. Somebody fucked up there. Drive-through order that you have not out loud said some shit like that. I get pissed off when they don't put the ketchup in because like my wife's like you can just use the catch. No it's specially formulated by them with their french fries. Leave me do your own fucking research and you'll see i'm may or may not have have have come up with a threat toward a medical facility. I did not call anybody with right As i would not do that because that would be wrong to blow off steam. You see when you live alone and you don't have to tell these things to Who then tells you to calm the hell down all live with the same woman. I'm just saying it's frustrating when someone tells you that they're sending it a prescription and when you pull up the drive through window at the pharmacy and the pharmacist says we didn't feel that. That's an over the counter item. Then tell the over the counter items going again it. Don't tell me that you're sitting in a prescription. Sometimes i tell him to go fuck themselves. And i want the not over the counter version of it because that's what my doctor asks for. That's not what the doctor jason hall. What he said. Oh he actually said the actual over man no no just vet. This item is an over the counter. Item it's not a prescription strength item. I'm just say so. But but what. I what i'm saying. Jason is the doctor should have just said you need to. You need to get a tube of this and that would've been the end. But instead i waited in line behind five cars to find out that That's what it was. So i was a little angry but i did not call a threat to anyone because that would be wrong and stupid. You did change doctors. Oh no it's gonna cost me to ask questions like is this an actual prescription or is this an over the counter item. That's on me for not asking the question. You need to ask questions that can happen to me but the pharmacy actually worked better. Because they were telling me that the what they were gonna charge me for the medicine and what the over counter was which was the same was like a fifty dollars different right but if you have insurance it's the co pay which is sometimes nothing no over the counter. It's ten bucks though even with insurance it one hundred fifty dollars. You have terrible insurance exactly of terrible insurance. Let's leave the hustle and bustle for small town. New all right. Let's get the hell outta here on this. We go to vermont. Oh home sells ronson anymore w. c. a. x. channel three in burlington. It's the summer and there's not a lot of news happening in vermont so they've still got time to fill and here's what they filled it with. You continue our summer picnic series featuring recipes from w. staff tonight our channel three news. I therefore producer. Mike del dotto shares his take on some grilled wings. Mike producer at channel. Three and say we're going to be doing some grilled buffalo wings. So i've already done is. I've brind the chicken. I makes a little more juicy and tender and kind of savory especially if you're gonna be grilling it'd my dry. It is not wrong but by the way. This is four and a half minutes. He's going through. He's pouring salt in the bowl. In water per hour or overnight they're going to be voting wings in whether you want to get them cut pre cut or not god in this case him not cut. If you do buy cut though you're going to have to hack through them so i just kind of saved us all a little bit of time and bottom wings on the way home between twelve label party is this or is this. Not tastic example. Small town news jason. This ready for the. He hasn't left the building because his phone his keys. Snell here a glass. And he's got his w. x. polo all. He's doing it jason worldly minute and twenty seconds into this rub spices on right now. Have you just put it on. I probably capper so. But you'll see what it's going to spread it on you wanna do about teaspoon and a half teaspoons of garlic powder and i liked board as is everybody else. That's why we do it at the end of the show so this goes on. We're not we're still three minutes left in this new. It's their summer picnic. What is wings. Look like at the end of it is being honest to god. I have not watched. I've i've that's far that i made it before. Yeah they look burn grill. They're grilled now. he's going to. he's going to toss them there. There you go hold on. Let me Let me see dot com. If you wanna make your own for it. But i i just have sorbonne wing sauce for it. But it'll do for. Obviously he obviously he did not offset the fucking grill. Way that you need to win. You're cooking fucking wings. They are black like first second man. I listen if you're if you're wet brining your wings. You're doing you're doing yourself a disservice left who brands wings. I've never heard that there's some some dude in vermont produces the four o'clock this you know what i do so i can get him crispy gross like that and i'll do this real quick for you. All right okay. I put some salt on them. Very small amount of salt lake kosher salt or right put it in the refrigerator for twenty four hours your next day. Get them out. Put some dusting of some garlic all that type of stuff on there Poodle cornstarch on there and put it on the grill and it'll be fucking crispy like get the fuck outta here with like what the fifth trying to hold it forward for the camera. Of course add a little more or less you so choose yeah at a little more of this uh and you go with the blue cheese oh layout the wings nice and pretty garnishment. He's lining them up like we're gonna be shot road little parsley weeks All right well. That's how we're going to wrap up ten years of podcasting air. Sorry sorry no no hold on. Here's a taste. oh no. he didn't taste that he just held it up. It said apetite. He didn't even need it. Didn't even eight on cameras. That bad bone in apetite. Oh you don't wanna wet brian wings. You don't wanna because you have to fry crispy like if you're not getting crispy wing like they look pretty crispy. How yeah. Not that way our burt. There were dome in the the barbecue next week for charcoal by bart their bar is i use some chicken. Charcoal decade podcasting as small town. News goes at the end for a reason. We don't start this show with that. Oh no we want people to listen and watch the whole day to you novice podcasters but you're annoying shitty feature at the end the end of the show and then make fun of it. It's it's small town news for a reason. They're filling time bill anti yep. Our that's going to do it for us for the first decade of the darling show slash w. t. h. Podcast as we start a new decade while we have a new name a new logo. We're going to do it from right here. I know that but Ten years anniversary of something so anyway. Thanks for Thanks for downloading and listening anywhere. You are australia. India across europe canada and the united states. Good to have you here. Thank you for telling a friend about us and Hey if you want to give us a review. Go ahead and do that. We will see you next week as we into july and our second decade of our show right here We will catch you next time. Bye bye ev. re body no no here. It is hold on darlie media here to help you till your story.
Black Art and Liberation with Rosalind McGary
"The new season of fortnight's here. Did you play fortnite or know anything about it. You'll know that the storyline evolves with every season. And now it's better than ever whether you're playing battle royale. Daily or hopping in for special events in party royale. The island changes with every development that gets thrown at us and now the island has grown wild. So must you battle with wildlife and craft your weapons experience the zero crisis finale in game now and pick up season six battle. Pastor run wild across primitive landscapes with lara croft teen titans raven and agent jones go to fm dot gee-gee slash season. Six to see it all reclaiming. The narrative is so important because it teaches us what we're made of where we come from and what we're capable of and then as artists especially black artists. We teach with our work. We keep company with our work. We inspire movements with our work visual art. It's something that has always played a fundamental role in black movements. The harlem renaissance the black arts movement. The black lives matter movement of today. In each era artists have offered their vision and skill wielding the power of art to inspire and uplift to educate and communicate to shift black consciousness towards the direction of love self respect feeling and freedom. I'm jay from push black and today on black history gear were talking black art and liberation. Now whether you're an artist or not this episodes for you because in some way or another aren't has influenced your life guarantee. Maybe you grew up with famous black paintings like ernie barnes the sugar shack in your home. Or maybe you fast by building with the mural honoring the black legend however you've experienced it art is all around and there's value and embracing to break it down for us. We're talking with roslin mcgarry compton. Based artists and producer who is so low and collaborative work has been featured in shows museums nationwide including the los angeles museum of african art hampton. University's art museum. The new york national black fine art show and many others in twenty sixteen. She found its collective and artists run organization whose mission is to engage artists. Build community and empower youth later. We'll talk with her. About the collective's iconic black panther art exhibitions done in collaboration with former panthers who are still using art to serve the people and create change. This is an exciting conversation about the power of black creativity. Let's get to it roslyn. What does black liberation look like to you to me. Black liberation looks like freedom freedom to express gas as an artist. The way i'd like to express on any given day at any given moment freedom to care for each other care about each other freedom of movement to go where we please when we please how we please and to be able to share knowledge about our culture with each other uninhibited. And how do you see your work as working towards black liberation. My work with iconic black panther is threefold and learning. We're learning as we go right It kind of develops in. Then we look back at it and say wow. This is developing in this direction. But i will say that I kind of black panther. There it's a series. A multi city art exhibitions. We've done three already. The i was in oakland in two thousand sixteen. The second one In los angeles in the third in chicago the fourth was to be this year in new york. I say multi city exhibitions because each exit is not a traveling exhibition. Each exhibition is different and reflects the city and the city's history with artists with cultural movements with social equity movements. Each city has its own personality and those personalities are able to express in the production of these artists visions. So i would say that reclaiming our narrative and in this case the narrative of the black panther party and artists and educators coming together and making space for that to happen would be number one number two would be moving into the educational space. We work with educators in every city that we show we exhibit and they bring some portion or aspect of our exhibits to their campuses and build programming around it to engage their students. So i think that's a huge huge part of iconic black panther that you know has developed organically from the beginning of us doing these exhibits that i didn't necessarily know was as possible as it is and then raising money for black panther alumni. Need there still are black. Political prisoners in prison right now some been in prison over forty five years and raising money to support them in their families and also when they come out raising money for support so those are the three ways think that these art exhibitions work towards black liberation. So you mentioned in terms of black liberation freedom of expression was important to you. Can you dive into that. A little more. Why is that important to you. And why should it be important to all of us in the community. Artists are are not honest as an artist as as a black artist as a black woman artist. You find when you're very young when you're starting out that you have expectations from your community. You have expectations from your family. Usually heels expectations are. Don't become an artist. But you know you have these you. Have you have expectations that you bump into right. So freedom of expression evolved from me from man you know. Sometimes i just wanna paint a flower. I just wanna you know. Wanna draw for our. That's it but you can also be judged like well. What kind of artist are you. You're black woman you you don't have nothing to say. My work has always been very. My personal work has been very private and it really is about. I call it the emotional layers of being a black woman navigating different spaces as a black woman in this society. In this time. I've found that producing art. Exhibitions is in itself a work of art and it's a collaborative work of art. So you're working with other people. And that expression is. I believe more important because it reaches more people and it also empowers the artists who are working together and the educators that are working together and the producers. That are working together. You know whoever's coming together to kind of produce these exhibitions that we have defined as you know. Hey we're gonna do this thing and we're going to bring people together to talk about things that maybe are uncomfortable to talk about. We're going to engage you. Know community in these ways with programming. We're gonna you know what we want to do. How do we want to do it. And kind of having those conversations where we get together and say first and foremost what do we as black people use mostly black people with iconic black panther of course What do we want to do what we want to say. In how do we want to say it and starting there is liberating what led you to predate iconic black panther. I would have to go back to probably Two thousand thirteen two thousand thirteen. A group of forty raiders got together and we produced a show called rise. Love revolution the black panther party and we held it in la and turn out was amazing. and it was. It was a fundraiser. You know we plan from the beginning that it would be a fundraiser. At that time it was the largest group exhibition. Interpreting the black panther party that ever been done and so the turnout was so great and there was such possibility with it but it was exhausting. You know it was. It was all those things when you start a new thing but it was. It was amazing and it was. It was full of love and it was beautiful and so we all disbanded. After that and it was a couple of black panthers who had worked with us jean washington and hank jones who came to me alternately and said hey we need to keep doing this this is important and so they're kind of the the fathers of iconic black panther and so i started off with plans to produce iconic and I knew that i could not do it alone. And i had plans to start. Sepia mart. organization is based in compton in its centers artists of color. And so i had plans to do that in this just became the right time. We opened in two thousand sixteen in oakland for the fiftieth anniversary of the black panther party. That's amazing so. Can you describe what people will see at the economy. Black panther exhibit. Saw plan next. Time is new york so basically The first thing that we do is seek out a space so some amazing space that can hopefully house the people who come the thousands of people who come but also the wonderful work of over fifty artists so what we do as we seek out a curator a local curator for each exhibit. Archie raters today of been women. And i want to carry on that tradition women of color and so we seek out a curator and curator has of course a relationship with local artists. The curator is artists. What we also put out a call to artis level the field. We like a variety of artists from well established to brand new are exhibited chicago. Our youngest was twenty two. Our oldest artists was ninety six and so face curator and then dream right then imagination. The black panther alumni in each city weighs in from the first meeting that we have about what they'd like to say what they buy see and how they like to participate. Join with us partner with us and those conversations usually involve outreach in our programming so When people come to the exhibit what they see is an expression not just of the artists that are interpreting. either the black panther party or their own activism. They're communicating about things that they're involved in or more to highlight right. It's also the exhibition space in the people that are involved there it's Educators in universities local universities at involved themselves and members of the black panther party saw that emory. Douglas is been involved as well in that someone that As soon as i. I learned about him in his work. I've been trying to learn as much as i can't ever since very inspiring stuff. I think for any creative person who is trying to say something. What was it like working with him on this project and for our listeners who was emory douglas. And what was his role in the panthers and get sent to different black panthers in really does feel to be the same way that feels you know when you go into a place where you haven't been in south. Maybe they're like okay. Well you got some cousins down there so you need to go and you need to say i am so emory douglas. He was the minister of culture for the black panther party. He is an artist and you can see his work on every or almost every Black panther newsletter and then within the newsletters as well he views art as a teaching tool anna call to action so he knew that he was using his work to communicate in very plain terms to people who either may not have time to read or could not read well to break down what was going on what was in that newsletter and what the black panther party was working on communicating about at that time and still today he still works and so he's accessible to artists and activists all over the bay area. The first time i met him i met him at a fundraiser. He was sitting eaten a need to city s. Sit down have a seat. Let's you know let's talk. I told him you know. I wanted to do these exhibits. And so he hit me to the history of some other exhibits that have happened about the black panther party and how they looked and you know when they were art exhibits. They naturally centered around. Emory emory's work and so what we were doing on the scale that we were doing. It hasn't been done in quite that way. And so his and all other black panther alumni guidance as far as just kind of keeping to the history or no this. This didn't happen. That way happened this way. So it's really like a dream come true again. that's douglas. he's he's our. He's our intersection of activism. And arts. he is that personified humanity archive. Podcast is your home. For some of the most provocative honest and fascinating stories from history with the most compelling narratives and of your seat storytelling germain fowler breathes. Life into history he shows the untold underexposed narratives. You didn't hear about in school and challenges everything you thought you knew. About history. with the powerful and unique perspective vanity fair says fowler is adept storyteller with the sonorous voice and that fowler's passion for his materialist palpable. As the unfurled the hidden histories listeners. Agree as one fan says. This podcast has so much excellent energy. I love the host excitement about history and philosophy. He puts people into great context and by the end of the episode. I feel closer to the people. He's talked about. This is the closest thing to time. Travel. you will get to win. A podcast listened to the humanity. Archive podcast biweekly. And subscribe to the humanity archive. Podcast on apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever else you listen. So you mentioned previously reclaiming than there to move Speak more on that. Why is that important for black artists for us as a people and in what ways is. Is this exhibit or your work working toward that. Well reclaiming the narrative. I think in this particular case of course is beyond important because we see the impact of others controlling that narrative about the black panther party. We see the damage that it's done the complete rendering of families and communities Because of the vilification of the black panther party and yet it's a group of people who i think average age nineteen when they joined when they started their work There's no corner of the globe that hasn't been impacted. You know inspired influenced by those van. Young people who also most of them are still doing community work. They're still working for the people and so they were cast as people who just wanted to kill white people. They weren't cast or acknowledged as people who stood in the gap for their community. You know for for other people they. They created twenty three survival programs. I've been told. Now it's over twenty three so i don't have the full list. They said about feeding protecting our communities. Educating our communities you know studying sickle cell disease in our community starting clinics in our communities. You know all those things you know. They were doing and they were doing it. And having to each other at the same time. So reclaiming the narrative around that is so important because it teaches us what we're made of where we come from right and what we're capable of and then as artists you know. I think that you know artists especially black artists brown artists. We teach you know with our work or we keep company with our work or we inspire movements with our work. And so you know when we look at what's happening with black lives matter and how they've been vilified over the years and you know it's kind of the same thing happening all over again. There's this this force for good. All the started with was saying that lives matter right and now all of a sudden. I'll know exactly when it happened. But now said they're a terrorist organization right. So you see how these things happen in real time when you when you learn about how things happen to the black panther party weed becomes necessary to talk about it to keep those conversations going into engage you know especially young people in those conversations and then it becomes important to create space for us as artists in each other so that we can continue to do that. So what is the role of black artists and black art in the black liberation struggle. I think that's a choice. You know. I think that artists have to make that choice. And i and i really strongly stand by an artist's choice to involve themselves or not involved into whatever you know the to whatever level that they choose. I really that. I feel that very very strongly but i also feel like as black artists you inevitably are going to bump up against some some challenges and some struggles. You know because you are black because you are brown because you are a woman because you are all those things you're going to bump up against struggle and those things tend to kind of hone us into activists in our own ways. You know i think for me it's producing exhibits is when i'm able to met my activism my expression free in that regard but when i'm painting i'd never looked at myself as an activist. You know. i looked at myself as in someone who just wanted to talk about these things else feeling but inevitably other people who are touched by. What you're doing are gonna come and say you have done this for me. You have helped me with this. And so i don't know how we can avoid it. You know how Black artists can avoid some type of activism even if it's just advocacy for other artists who've gone through some of the things that they've gone during the black arts movement. There was a push. Those involved i think most notably larry neal than amiri baraka to call for black artists to reject european standards and create. Our own in terms of art are working creativity. What are your thoughts. Well when you talk about the ration- i think that rejecting european standards is absolutely liberating. I think everybody should try. I think is absolutely liberating personally. What's been really liberating for me as an artist producing these exhibits and also working in my own city now in compton to create arts. Programming is that i am truly interested in having these conversations amongst ourselves. You know our wanna talk about these things amongst us. I wanna learn from black artists. Who were there before me. And and how did they deal with these things in. What was this like. And when i put pen to paper. I m most assuredly talking about what my idea beautiful is in and so i think that as much as we are the product of this society. There's so much within us as expresses and creatives that we want to get out. We owe it to ourselves. I'll say to throw off all those dictates so interested in what artists you look up to. Who are some of your favorites that you think are doing things in a way you admire or even aspire to. That's that's a hard one off. The top of my head i mean of course emory douglas. Dr similar lewis. Of course elizabeth catlin. Charles allston work and tanks li. I don't know. I could probably go on and on and on and on are there any sort of unifying themes across the folks. You just mentioned that. Make you drawn towards their work or the type that they do as as a group. Those those folks you mentioned. I mean i'm an emotional painter. Emotional pain and emotions are so i can't i. I keep coming back to artists who move me probably seeing some things. I aspire to i see. The simplest stroke captures immense beauty and emotion. And i don't really know how to put that into words. Buddy can be the simplest ing. And i spy to that i want people to cry one stroke done you know but but you know really the least the least amount of strokes actions towards whatever piece you know and that piece captured the the entirety of whatever it is. I want to say so. I think that that those are artists. Who who do that almost like a minimalist approach to yeah yeah. The art world is pretty white. Lee white what has been your experience navigating that you know it's funny. I am not the poster child for navigating our world. i informed. I did not go to art school. I always drew all my life and it was my solace as young personnels introvert and so i took art courses in college. But i didn't. I didn't go on. And i didn't have the confidence when i was there to major in art i was like maybe i'll work in a museum or work in a gallery. You know i was kind of just want to be around it. I didn't have that confidence to say. I'm an artist and it wasn't until a couple of years after i graduated that i started my career but before that i worked at sotheby's and i worked at a local gallery in oakland sandals gallery and i remember when i worked at sotheby's i was interning. I interned sotheby's and san francisco and i remember looking over the magazines and i loved all the catalogs for the exhibits. You know but they had everything everything everything they had chinese snuff bottles and mid-century planes and it everything from art to jewelry to seventeenth century dutch masters and so i remember one day asking the director. Where is the black art catalog. And she said to me. I don't know maybe looking the primitive section so. I think that. I've been happiest when i don't consider the art world when making decisions and i get happier as time goes by i. I can happy as those by. I don't care to Necessarily impress in that regard or succeed necessarily in that way. I love starting with the question. What is it that you want to do and just doing that. You know and kind of keeping the voice and out of my head as much as possible. Because i know they. They're i know they're they're they're always there. But i i'm interested in having those conversations amongst my community. My family my people. I love a had similar experience. I went to school for film. Making and i had a film of mine. I didn't realize it was an art film to they're like. Hey you have this art film i was. I just thought it was a film film but in Ended up in a couple exhibits. And when i got there and looked at the makeup of the room and the people who are trying to have conversations about it slow. I don't. i'm not really feeling this. I don't want to explain it in these ways and want people to feel so. I felt as you mentioned most comfortable most fulfilled in our community sharing that work in this. Who was meant for. I assume that what you shared. What i shared is pretty common. Do you hear that type of sentiment from folks at your also in communication with a black artist. I do i absolutely do and i also hear you know. Conversations and witness movement where artists are. You know striving for that kind of it. You know it factor. You know striving to position themselves to kind of beads darling of the art world in working at how they've learned to present and work and i get it. I love and i welcome anyone who feels something when looking at my work and i love it that it has that effect you know and i do feel like it's it's meant to keep company but i understand on a very deep level that my work comes from a place where you know. My people is all i need. I think it's true. You know art is for the people. It is not a luxury. I kind of want to start there like. I don't believe that art is a luxury item. A black artist will do a piece about sharecroppers and that peace will then sell for a million dollars. You know what i mean. It's like okay that energy that's in. That piece is now hanging somewhere. Its blessing some space. You know that doesn't understand it completely. And that's why. I believe in prints leave because i believe that we should have. We should have access to the work by artists. I mean that's what it's for believing public art for the same reason you know. In what ways are you seeing folks creating their own table in addition to obviously what you're doing with connick black panther. There's so many people doing so many things. I mean you know it's like technology being what it is is like every year is a new era. Mike people are describing. And i mean they're figuring out ways to exhibit and share their work that don't involve the same middle entities social media being what it is in and how it evolves and how artists you know utilize it to share their work. We can have the exact conversations that we want to have. We're not building something for an oscar or those particular. Were building something to reach our people. And then it's accessible by everyone in some way fashion or form via social media. I don't know how it's going to end up. But i feel very strongly that the powers that be are going to have to meet us where we are. They're going to have to meet us where we are as opposed to You know what has been happening. Which is we meet them where they are and satisfy whatever those you know kind of elusive checkoff points are to be what we're supposed to be so that we can you know were nice and polished and pretty weaken. We sell remarkable. This is what. I am witnessing. This is what i see. And i think that that's going to be a huge shift. The social dictates will be dictated by. The people was their artwork in your home. Growing up. where. You influenced by art. And i ask because i know in every black household i grew up in. There was some of the classics a painting of martin luther king or the one with the the two black cans One reaching reaching. I forget what it's called where there are some that you commonly see in black households recently saw one of obama washing people's feet as if he was jesus or something did that that type of art were seeing that around. You inspire you in any way coming up. Yes out a military brat. So until i was six i was overseas and my clearest memories are greece is really interesting the being in a place where people are speaking of people all around your speaking another language by so With young kids so we learned the language but in our house and my father's friends you know we had a community you know there are a lot of black folks in the military will school on military base. That kind of thing. My father had a painting and it's in our house still as in the closet but my father someone gifted in this painting but there was a large nude in our living room. A black nude and she was this dark skin sister with a straight ponytail. Pull back in like there. Was this It'll cuff in the painting. That was holding her ponytail back and she was facing to the side and she was standing this really strange position. She had her hands on her is almost like been a little bit. But it's so interesting that peace and the fact that my sister who's three years older than me taught me how to draw. That's how we played. Is she come home. And show you how to draw hand on show you how to draw a tree or whatever and it got to the point with be my sister where we'd be talking about something and like i don't know what you're talking about where and be like over there by red house like draw draw what it looked like what you know. So that was kind of early on a way of communicating from me and then our baby sitter in greece anesthesia. Greek young lady she drew and so it was always something in me to do. It's funny my sister taught me how to draw. She's a teacher now. I'm like oh she was being a teacher. Then you know she was meeting me where i was and it was always a part of my life as far as i can remember and i do want to say this. My father was a dj in the military and so there was always music in our house like his radio show was called. This is soul in greece. So you know we cannot forget. That album covers sue album covers and he had so many albums so yes I had i had really serious and intense Visual influences what would you say is the value of really having art in your home in terms of liberation culture identity. What value can the everyday person have. embracing black art. Let me just say this. I went away to high school. I went to a boarding school and most of the time at that school. They're only two hundred students. Total and i went straight from compton to that boarding school and my best friend. She was from what's and so she used to get ebony and essence magazines and you know remember ebony and essence used to have the varney or different artists. They would just have little tiny you know. They just have pictures of their work in the magazine. And you could may be purchased prints things like that. She would cut those little what to buy three inches. You know she cut those out in tape them to her door and her door was catty corner to mine and so that's the first thing she would see when she gonna rule right. Is this black art. And that's what i would see going into my room. And i cannot tell you how we had each other. That was that was a beautiful thing but also having that work. That's why. I always say that art keeps company is because i know that first hand you know it lifts the spirit is the same as putting on your headphones when you're on a subway or when you're in a place where you know you're not welcome. I mean you can hear your music in your head. You're not alone so it keeps company. And i you know. I do think that's important just like that. 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Episode 26: The Kinseys
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He remembers dozens of students would be arrested after every protest and as one of the protest organizers, it was his job to meet the students when they were released from jail to make sure they were safe in new their rights. and. That's how one day in. September. Of Nineteen sixty three he met surely cooler and We'll forget. I saw this pretty young lady this young lady you know after you know she she came out of jail. I you know immediately, it was attracted to her. My name is Shirley. Cooler Kinsey. Surely, roles, pool can't. Surely polar grew up in Saint Augustine Florida and the nineteen forties and fifties. She was raised by her grandmother and attended segregated schools. When she graduated from High School, she was the class Valedictorian. I remember my. superintendent of schools who was white and he said to my grandmother that I was so smart but it was such a shame that I could not go. To Florida State University which was the White College. And you know, Shane, my couldn't go there. And Momma said, well, she didn't WanNa. Go there. Anyway she wanted to go to Florida. We went. Truly started her first year at Florida am in nineteen, sixty three. And soon, after she arrived on campus, she decided she wanted to participate in the civil rights marches there were going on in Tallahassee. Her grandmother hadn't allowed her to attend any back home. They've been marches to integrate the lunch counters and all, and the other march was to integrate the movie theaters actually. Truly remember going with a friend to join the march from campus to downtown Tallahassee. Seventeen. I'll say you don't really. WHO GOING TO BE? One of the ones that get arrested you know you're gonNA, March and sign and I'm back to campus. So when The bleacher were there and I say this luckily that there were no water hoses and no dogs and all that kind of stuff but they were big burly white cops with guns and with nightsticks and they would you know? Pat The nice fixing the hand holding it in the hands. So you were afraid we were afraid. And again, seventeen like Oh. Gosh. You know what's about to happen. And so we were arrested so that in itself was really scary 'cause now you by the way, we have to dress nicely to be able to participate in protest to dress. To go to jail. I had this cute outfit on that my sister had sent me. Not to protest in school. And we had to keep same close for three days. Surely, says she was held with around fifty other women from Florida M. Bernard and other students who hadn't been arrested collected toothbrushes, blankets, and towels to send to the students in jail. When Shirley and her fellow students were released three days later. Bernard was there to meet them. He says he'll never forget seeing Shirley that first time. He wanted to meet her. So he wrote a note one of her friends and she told me about this guy what he's green eyes. And come to find out he was asking her about me he went to talk to me So she immediately shared with him though that I was bookworm. Parties off campus. I didn't go to anything of campus if he wanted to date me you. Had to take me to the dances on campus or two movies on campus I'm meet me at the library because I was not going anywhere else. What what was your first tell me about your first date. You know because Tallahassee was segregated the Fart in him. They would have movies on campus Friday night Friday nights. So. If you wanted to see a movie, you saw it on campus so. It's called Lee Hall auditory I'm. Very. Nice setting and you go in and I remember sheriff accepted that they they. So we went you know to the movie and I think the movie name sporting pounds of trouble with Tony Curtis Danika. I remember that. Yeah. So that was not first date you and I it was a date even though we were. Only. Maybe. A hundred feet from dawn. You picked me up too. So you know having a chaperone and all that kind of stuff you know but it was a good start. It was a good start I wrote my mom until I thought I found. You know someone I really really liked a lot and You know that was. kind of the beginning of. Really. Accurate I'm going to dances on Saturday nights and time together and. Library dates you can meet me in the library. And get me back to dorm before curfew. And Christmas I think he got back screw up the Christmas he'd bought me a gift and I just I I I was like, why is he getting expressing I didn't get him anything. And his mother told me three years later that she allowed him to buy this little necklace. on her account at her jewelers rush. And so that that's I guess that's what he told us he had. ME. Thought he was in love. And Surely Do. Obviously. You could tell it. He was very interested in you. When did you realize that this? This man was probably someone. That you you thought you might like to spend your life where. I'll say people while. We dated I was Oser Studio. however. I my scholarship was a scholarship in pharmacy, which is a five year course. and Um I'd have to go to the lab. A lot of times and so he would start going to lab with me and and spending. A lot of his time with me, instead of with his fans or band members or whatever and I WanNa changing my major though because I got a D. in qualitative analysis. and. It was a class that he he would have that right. And so he said know I'll go with you the lab and that can help you with your lab experiments and stuff and all, and of course, wouldn't. With. Surely from members, Bernard would bring her dinner on Sunday evenings when her dorm curfew was earlier than usual. She remembers coming back to campus after school holidays and seeing Bernard standing in front of her dormitory just waiting for her. And some of my friends I remember those things we do you guys when when he was out standing waiting for you. Surely in Bernard talked about what kind of lives they wanted to live together. These spent summers apart finding jobs and trying to save up as much as they could. In the summer of nineteen, sixty, five, Bernard went to Washington DC because being black in the south, there was no jogged So literally had to go north to to work, and so I went to DC and we're worked as a lifeguard also worked at the post office, the main post office, and it turned out to be a heck of a job because I worked twelve and a half hours a day six days a week. And I would work every overtime and I went there purposely to their enough money to be able to to buy surely range. So I ended up going back to about both the rain the of rain and wind rain and I gave a both of them. I don't hold on to. I'm phoebe judge and this is love. So I suppose give both of these. You have to. Do. Leading had been. Miss Junior the year before, and so I had this white carnation down and one of my sorority sisters made a lace vast. To go with this car and they should down that was my wedding gown. my sorority sisters chipped in and bought my. Fail. Gloves and the whole bit. and. It was just a really Nice Nice. and. They were married on February. Eleventh Nineteen Sixty Seven That's bring they graduated together from Florida Am. Bernard already had a job lined up in Los Angeles. A city Shirley had never been to. The both lived in Florida, their entire lives, and moving all the way across the country meant leaving practically all their family and friends behind. Shirley says I Los Angeles felt like a foreign country. I remember thinking in the mountains and the whitest street that ever seen in my life because see that had been in my hand. And it was. Really. Unbelievable. Frankly, and when I got it, I wasn't sure how this is GonNa work and I remember dresses were very very short and I'm I I'M A. Senior in the sense and make my own clothes. And I remember thinking address my skirts and that shorter. What am I gonNA do. Bernard started his job as a sales representative with humble oil company. And Shirley got a job as a teacher. Lee decided they would do their best to live on just one paycheck. Everything surely earned they'd save any bonuses Bernard God they'd save. The first department was eighty, seven, fifty, a month we got used furniture bought to used two hundred and fifty dollar car. When everybody else was going out and new car we were driving this old beat up nineteen sixty one dollars man having heat. No Heat. No nothing but it didn't cost for two hundred fifty dollars and we've never been you know keeping up with the Joneses. Kind of people. I mean we re just. We not interested in what other people think about us You know what we tell people is. Following the Jones. It'd be became too. Don't you know we need and McKinsey what we came to Kansas, but we never followed anybody we took our own road to this to our lives. Bernardin. Surely both agreed that while they didn't want to a lot of money on new cars or fancy clothes. The did WANNA see the world They started small going on road trips to national parks in California. then. In nineteen seventy, they took their first trip out of the country to Mexico. Soon, after that they visited Canada. The traveled as much as possible. And almost a decade after they moved to Los Angeles, they started planning a trip to South America and idea was that we get pregnant on that trip. April nineteen, seventy six. And went to Brazil to Argentina to. Chile. Who? and. Just you know did my future. Everything went. igwe passing falls all that stuff. And are. Pregnant Dan though. Not On that trip. A Lot. and. So came back home and some point didn't it summer? I did get friend. WHO In March of Nineteen, seventy, seven, their son Khalil was born. When career was born we've got to thinking and saying you know what we we don't know. A lot about our I history really about our culture. my grandmother was born in eighteen, eighty seven and so when I look back at, it was done. That meant her. Parents were born in slavery. had been some. PROBABLY ENSLAVED and. So but that wasn't anything that we talked about. Mom died in nineteen, seventy, five, seventy, seven was born. It was like, I don't have. Where am I going to find? Out Who can we talk to and that kind of started us on quest. We've been directing. Out, they stuff already because we ever we traveled we'd always get something to bring back remind us of our of our travels to lots and lots of photographs. and. Then in a traveling, we realized that we were learning about other coach other cultures and didn't know enough about their own. Gender to eight I can't remember directly and and and Definitely Making something happened. That was the by a painting by an African American painter I think that was our first. Real. Painting you think. Bernie Barnes. And His paintings always reminded US growing up in the south basically. Ernie Barnes born in Durham North Carolina in nineteen thirty eight. He played football in the NFL until the mid nineteen sixties when he was injured and focused on his art full-time. His most famous painting is called the Sugar Shack. And it's on the cover of Marvin Gay's nineteen seventy-six. I want you. Bernard and Shirley bought a print of one of his paintings that particular particular painting called high aspirations. was a young black boy trying to make a basket in the backyard he was elevated long limbs. And Bernard decided he was Bernard of that time branch manager of their in Oakland California, and he decided that instead of giving his top sales reps plaque with the naming his stats. He would with Ernie and ask if he could get prince of high aspirations and frame it and give that to them with the stats in the name on it. And that's what he did. And we look back on and now we say what we were trying to. Explain to people. About. Culture and stuff back then not knowing that so we were doing. But that was what we did. Bernard and Shirley started traveling to black art festivals all over the country they sought out and befriended black artists. They admired when cleal was old enough they started bringing him along. Shirley and Bernard remember talking about the fact that cleal was in a school with mostly white kids. and. They remember when cleal started noticing that what he knew about his family was very different from what his white classmates knew about their families. And it's the way that Khalil used always say it if I if I talked to one of my white friends. And I know a lot about his history and his background and a lot of good stuff. But only knows about my history and my background is slavery and negativity and bad things. Then we can't having I level compensation. There's always something in the way because you don't really know me I know more about you than you know about me. You know. I do remember in elementary school and. Middle School particularly my parents impressing upon me and my mom. Specifically always you know if it was a report, any type of report, it it it. was highly stressed that I did it on somebody that was black Khalil Kinsey, and they were and I would ask at the time you know why? Do I always you know why I'm always doing something on black people and I was really just inquisitive -ly and mom I. Remember Her saying you know because you're learning and you're teaching your your class as well probably teaching your teachers. Bernard and Shirley made a plan. They wanted their son to understand where he came from and where his ancestors came from. Bernard says they decided to be detectives uncovering their own history. What really hit hit hit home for me. Was I got a document from a business partner at Florida. African American young man eighteen years old being sold into slavery for five hundred dollars in Alabama. And I never will forget how. Powerful that particular document. What it did to me too I mean it should me to my core. When I opened the Fed eggs and I picked up this letter and I'm yeah I'm holding somebody in in my hands. and. We began to find that there were places. You could buy this stuff and there were people that collected this stuff. And we began doing that and I mean the next thing you know had gotten hooked. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK Support for this is love comes from progressive. They've asked that I shared time when planning ahead really helped me out. Then it turns out twenty twenty has allowed a lot more time for that. Earlier this year when it became clear that we'd all be spending a lot more time at home I came up with a goal. Read a book start to finish every week until my birthday in September. I decided that books I, read for work wouldn't count. 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This is love right now get your first refill free that your I refill free at get quick dot com slash this is love spelled G. T. Q. U. P. dot com slash. This is love quip better oral health meet simple and rewarding. Bernard and Shirley Kinsey began collecting historical documents, artifacts, art amassing hundreds of pieces. I said we were going to start looking at collective ancestry. All of these wonderful people who did many things that nobody knows about. Well, I'll give you one. phillies Wheatley. In seventeen seventy three phillis wheatley became the first black person to publish a book of poetry in the United States. Bernard and Shirley ONA first edition of the book called poems on various subjects religious moral and they published this book September First Seventeen, seventy, two, three. and become so popular. They say that in and she was as popular as George Washington was doing that period. And Ninety nine percent of people in this country black I never heard of him. She died and thirty two. UNMARKED GRAVE IN. Boston Massachusetts. That's what we're trying to correct. You've only. I you can't. You can't do all of that in automous. That's just and that's what happens with the African American story of achievement and accomplishment. We we make the comment is like walking into a graveyard and there no headstones. And you know everybody there had life. And made a difference. I mean we could go on and on and on about people that you know just did so much got so little you know in in baton. To me. Can I talk about? The Myth of absence. In speaking about African American art and history. The Myth of absence really is, is my I mean one of my favorite concepts in terms of encompassing sharing, you know the the common core principles that we are striving to to dispel or to work towards an end. So the myth of absences a phrase coined by Dr, Laurent Bennett he he wrote a book called before the Mayflower and the concept is that african-americans are invisibly present in the telling of the American Story and the myth of absence is. At work in every aspect of American life when it comes to the the telling of the African American contribution participation and achievement in in building the this, you know this United States of my in all aspects you know when it comes to not only did the manual aspects of of of labor and building in in those types of things but also from the inventing side, and then also the political process and and the way that. So much of our our country is shaped is all based. In. Or around race in. So many regards and also. It's it's flourished because of you know African. American work and brains and hearts, and souls and. We don't that's left out of our history book. So what happens is our kids you know a black kids do not have to have a full sense of self. They're they're they're taught that their story in America is only pain and struggle, and that's not just for black holes that that that occurs in other groups as well as far as the story in the sharing of of the contributions of Americans and an immigrant Americans and so what we're trying to do is dispel them at the absence by. Placing. These incredible people in the narrative in the story and the only way to do that is through primary source factual documents and information which you know my parents have been. So diligently collecting for all of this Tom. I'm sitting here looking at a piece by Ed Dwight. Who is an African American sculpture US eighty. Eighty nine now lives in Denver. And this is. And early. Early, eighties or something I'm GonNa. Say We were in Hawaii. And went into this gallery at Hyatt Hotel and saw this beautiful sculpture bronze sculpture of Charlie. Charlie Parker with it. And it was it was a Oh you saw was kind of a partial face. With a full saxophone and finger hovering above the keys on the. Excellent I've never seen anything like it before. A lot of negative space with it. That's what he does and went in and asks curator and the and the art gallery who was at by and when she told us was it white African American? And that he? lived in Denver and he had been the first. Astronaut training back, astronaut training Kennedy when Kennedy was in office. And we both looks each other and say, what? Why don't we know about him two things one him being the first black astronaut training and then also that he did such beautiful. And when you nothing about him. Surely Got Ed whites address from the art gallery and send him a letter. They wrote letters back and forth and eventually surely, and Bernard invited him to Los Angeles. So they could host an art show for him. Over the years, they continued to build their collection. The. Half the country's earliest known black marriage record from fifteen, ninety eight. A copy of the Supreme Court's decision in the dread Scott case. And letters between Malcolm X. Alex Haley. They have quilts made by Visa Butler. Lebron's bust of Frederick Douglass by Tina Allen. Paintings by Norman Lewis, Alma Thomas, and Huey Smith. And letters for Matthew Henson one of the first men to reach the North Pole. In Nineteen ninety-four Bernard and Shirley started to remodel their house with their collection in mind. They wanted it to be the central focus of their home. Word spread about the collection they were building and in two thousand, five, the Los Angeles Times post to feature on the Kinsey is home and their art. And then. Bernard and Shirley got a phone call from the California African American Museum. And they want to know if we participate in a program, they've started called in the hands of African American collectors. Bernard and Shirley agreed to loan the museum about the pieces including sculptures by Dwight. And in the museum called and said, we've got all kinds of museums interested in your. In. Your. Show. What do you think about letting it travel? So we said, yes, and then it kept going and then. All of a sudden museum from West Palm Beach a White Museum Bernard could not go into when he was growing up their. Coach. And they had the Norton Museum. Well known museum right there. In downtown West Palm, beach. But what what was so ironic, the being West Palm Beach is at black people still to that time didn't really. visit, the museum that my savings you're welcome and So we had to do programming can make sure that all their organizations churches schools, the everybody was invited. The collection has been all over the country including the Smithsonian. And the Mary Broken Museum of art and science in Tallahassee. Random has is right down the Stephen where I was arrested. Yeah which was really ironic. We couldn't have gone right. About the the Kinsey collection it began when you were just a baby. At, what point in your life re kind of stuff to understand that? This. Collection. In many ways was made for you. I I don't think I grasped the wholeness of it until. My late twenties. I think that it took some time for me to be able to you know come back and see the truths in a lot of what you know my parents were trying to impart to me So when I got back from school in the early two thousands I remember just going deeper and deeper every time I would come home. There would be these new objects that my parents were sharing with me and and I always fascinated that I didn't realize that time. You know while you how can you own something like this? You know A piece of history in this way, that's you know the actual document or manuscript letter whatever it may be. My father was reading a book called Slavery by another name, and there's this letter that my father discovered while reading the book from a her name's Kerry Kinsey, and it's from his nineteen three in its to President Roosevelt and the girl is largely illiterate but she has she doesn't know any has no other recourse than Detroit get in touch with the president of the United States to try to locate her brother who was kidnapped. She said was kidnapped by the Sheriff in in Bainbridge, Georgia and nineteen three my father says he. Was Reading the book in Two Thousand and eight. He came across this letter and he said he instantly you know because, of course, the name but also the the location Georgia he said this has to be a relative and my mother and father were able to go to the National Archives and retrieve the letter and we did you know did some some work on it and it turned out to be my my grandfather's first cousin and this is a direct part of our family history that is talking about a sheriff kidnapping. Would also be my cousin and put into the chain gang system for for something that wasn't even a you know a crime for walking was picked up for working on the railroad tracks and never to be seen again, most likely, and so those types of things you know I get chills just even talking about it now because it's not only connected to my family directly but is connected to my existence. In two thousand, nine Bernard Shirley and Khalil published a book about their collection. In the forward author Douglas Blackmon Rights. There few forces in America that more powerfully demonstrate how can be achieved in our country and Aspen achieved by Americans than Bernard and Shirley Kinsey and their extraordinary collection. coolio is now the general manager and curator of the Kinsey Collection. Bernard and Shirley say doesn't get much better than working with their son on a project that was essentially created for him. He's the best thing about the to the idea that we is the best thing surely I've done. is because he's a blend of both of us in in the best way you know So you know we. And the and the biggest thing we're very proud and and and happy that that he wanted to get on board with US election he wanted to do this. We didn't. You know because you can't fool the kids do nothing this don't to do. What is the secret to be in good to each other? C. Secret. Good partner. I only. Jewish. Yeah and as. You know. We say to each other if you leave me, I'm going. So we we always I think a lot of it is. Being You know the committed. To the future together and one thing I love about surely today we always see the future. The same And in other words, we're always looking toward the future with the same expectation, the same goals and I tell everybody that if you if you only have to make one decision in life, you get the marriage quad right. A lot of this other stuff will work itself out so. We feel we've been very fortunate that we we landed you know together and we created You know an environment where we both can thrive and Crow and love and and learn in and do well. On February eleventh two. Thousand Twenty. One. Surely Bernard Kinsey will celebrate fifty, four, th wedding anniversary. Is Love is created by Lawrence Spore and me needy Wilson. Is Our senior producer. Our producers are Susannah Roberson and Aaron Wade. Automatics by Johnny, Vince, Evans Michael Raphael and raw buyers a final final V two. Are Illustrator is Julian, Alexander? 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Oct. 3, 2019: Pence's Role In Ukraine Affair; CBD Arthritis Guidelines
"From NPR IN WB you are I'm tiny Moseley. I'm Jeremy Hobson. It's here now house. Democrats are hearing from former ambassador Kurt Volker. Today he was the top State Department department representative to Ukraine until last week when he resigned amid the whistleblower complaint about President Trump's phone call with the Ukrainian president that complaint led to the impeachment inquiry that Democrats have launched and they're now asking for Secretary of State Mike pompeo and Attorney General William Barter recused themselves from Ukraine matters because bar was named in the complaint and Pompeo was on the call and now many are looking at vice president. Mike Pence is possible involvement the Washington Post Greg Jaffe has been reporting on that and joins us now. Welcome thanks so your reporting for the post says that president trump repeatedly involved penson efforts to exert pressure on Ukraine's president to dig up dirt on the Biden's tell us more yes so pets was largely unaware of how he was being used precisely but he was supposed to go to Zilenski his inauguration ratio on May twentieth plans had were in their early stages and many people in the NFC the sort of Russia Ukraine Europe experts wanted him to go wpro sort of a vote of confidence for Zilenski who sees the US is really a bulwark against Russian aggression and trump pulled him back from that trip then pence goes again and beat Swiss Alinsky on September first in person when trump cancelled the trip and delivers a message about corruption which is long been an issue with the US in Ukraine but you know for the Ukrainians coming off that July twenty fifth call I think would've clearly heard that as move forward on the Biden investigation now in terms of that inauguration trip that pence was supposed to take but didn't and that was canceled by the order of president trump. Do we know why trump did that right and did pence. No why trump said don't go now I think at that point we don't really know why trump did it and we don't precisely know why pence what pence it's new. you know the vice. President's office will say well. You know there was nothing unusual about this that he had other plans. He was planning a trip for candidate around that time he had a campaign event. In Jacksonville Florida around that time and the inauguration day it was moving from the Ukrainian so they were having trouble pinning it down. He wanted to go oh but couldn't essentially in terms of the September first visit when pence traveled to Warsaw to meet with Zilenski and told Zilenski that aid wouldn't be released because of concerns over corruption how pence his aides responded to your questions about what pence knew about that well. That's interesting so pence's national security advisor advisor was on the call on July twenty fifth but I think from talking to pence officials that person didn't find anything sort of remarkable about the call and so didn't didn't report up to two pence's office the requests from the president to investigate the Biden's pence should have been afforded a transcript of that call. We think he got it. His people seem to think he got it. What's unclear is whether he editor not our understanding is that if he read it he has no memory of having read it it would have been basic preparation for meeting with a foreign official another foreign head of state when you're standing in for the president to have read the transcript before you go into the meeting especially because the Ukraine aid is being held up at that time and the White House hasn't offered a good explanation so you would really want to know why the president had what the president had told the Ukrainian president about White was being held up and so- pence it seems like was either not especially well prepared or probably not as curious. Korea says he should have been will and it would be pretty stunning if one didn't find that transcript which we've seen the partial transcript remarkable remarkable because in it president trump said to the Ukrainian president I want you to do us a favor though and look into the Biden's. It's yeah you would think that would jump out at people I mean I think one of the arguments we've heard from people not for attribution is that you know trump's calls with foreign leaders tend to be consistently pretty outrageous. I think we know that from the transcripts that have been released so you sort of become inured to it over time. That's not a great excuse but that's the loan we're getting now. You write in this piece that pence often seems to be out of the loop on major issues that likely to insulate him from political fallout at this time you know. I don't know it could yeah. That does seem to be the case. You're looking back to a couple of sort of larger incidents pence's out but his these people kind of like to have it both ways they say he's a key adviser to the president one of the president's most trusted advisors but they also like like to say that he's out of the loop when things go wrong so it's it's tough to have it both ways. So where does this go from here. Where does your reporting take you next on. This story Greg. You know I'm not sure I think one of the things we're trying to establish his. You know exactly how beyond this one call. was the trump administration putting pressure on the cranium. What did that a pressure campaign. Look like on the vice. President's trip seemed to be one kind of obvious element of it but I think we need to understand how it worked. That is Washington. IMPOSTS national security reporter Greg Jaffe. Thank you sure no problem. Thank you if you're near a TV or online. Yesterday you probably saw it the very strong reactions inside and outside of the Dallas courtroom where police officer Amber Geiger was sentenced to ten years in prison for killing her upstairs neighbour both John after she entered entered his apartment last year thinking it was her own. There was one thing that happened that is rarely if ever seen in a courtroom had happened when John's eighteen year old brother Brandt gave his victim impact statement he urged Geiger to turn over her life to Christ and forgave her. I don't know if this is possibly but she's can you please these. Yes the outside. Many of the protesters were confused and angry that Geiger was only sentenced to ten years in prison for killing a person joining us to talk about all of this is. NPR's Wade Goodwin. Thanks for joining US wait. It's my pleasure first of all. It's not uncommon to hear during a victim victim. Impact statement a loved one talking about forgiveness but in this case John's brother went a step further and actually hugged geiger. This is something that's really rarely seen in a courtroom. What's been the reaction to this well. I think there's been you know a variety of reactions. It's helpful to understand that this was a a Satan -lution. who has come to this country and you know it was a Saint Lucian Hug and I think the experience of growing up in Saint Lucia sure being black is quite a quite a different one than growing up here in France and a political difference. Yeah I do think that you know that you know there is a history here of repression and Jim Crow that that has led to understandable resentment which makes that hug seem a little harder to understand from an American point of view than a necessarily that might would from a Saint Lucian point of view okay then there was the judge Tammy Kemp she was in tears bottoms brother brands spoke and she also hugged hugged handed Geiger a Bible. I've covered a lot of criminal court cases and I've never seen this happen a judge acting in such a personal way. How are people reacting to all of this as well well? She read also ready passage from the Bible and and came up to Geiger and said this is where you need to start and then you know gave her Personal Bible and hugged her and yes. I have never seen anything like it both of them. John's ends mother. Allison has been very critical of police training. She spoke with CBS. There is a lot that has to be done by the Dallas Police Department by the Texas Rangers by the city of Dallas. What are police officers in Dallas saying uh-huh about all of this. I think we heard the police chief late yesterday. Well Rene Hall. The Dallas Police chief who is black held a press conference reference and conceded that you know there was trouble in river city. The evidence shows that Amber Geiger was treated in a way after she shot and killed John. You know in in the hour afterwards in the few minutes after words in a way that no regular citizen ever would be treated. I mean given given you know all kinds of access to I mean the the Union Rep came down pulled her out of a police car where she had been isolated told the sergeant turn off the camera that was inside the car which they did and then took geiger away from the car to talk privately with her meeting you can you can you imagine any other other citizen enjoying that kind of treatment and she was arrested but she was never jailed. I mean if you shoot someone dead in their house. You're going away from that. Let's eat handcuffs but not amber geiger you know she wasn't actually arrested until three days later. So this anger gene family. I think rightfully so and I think that's what chief hall was speaking to is that you know. This created a very bad perception. This was not good training at the Dallas. Police Department has some work to do the Dallas Police Department is understaffed and they have had trouble attracting officers and I think that's part of the dynamic here to Geiger is is she's up for parole in five years how will all of this the reactions in the courtroom and specifically the family forgiving her and the Judge Judge making that decision to hug her and to give her Bible. How will this way on her chances for an early release. If she's the model prisoner if she shows you know real remorse and a real effort to rehabilitate herself that will weigh it but so will the crime crime so if I were a betting man I would bet it would be more than five years and less than ten wade goodwin is an NPR reporter based in Dallas always wait thank you so much for your time in this message comes from NPR sponsor mind body the mind body connects millions to the widest variety of local fitness classes and they offer the same experience when it comes to massage and acupuncture spas and salons find book and pay all in one place owners can join the network at mind body online dot COM SLASH NPR mind wind body your access to the largest consumer wellness network and marketplace there are places in the United States were voting districts are made up mostly mostly of prisoners who can't vote forgive me for not having been articulate this the way I want to but it's almost like your body being you on. NPR's ars code switch the connection between the US census politics and prisons doctors noticed something lately their patients who suffer from arthritis are asking by name for CBD Cannabis extract to help manage pain but there's so much confusion about where to buy it how to take it and if it's even legal eagle which it is but now the arthritis foundation has put together some guidelines to help patients figure this all out joining us now. Is Dan claw a rheumatologist at the University of Michigan who helped develop the guidelines. Dan Welcome thank you so C B D or canal dial is everywhere right now so what's the bottom line line should people with arthritis continue or consider using it to manage their pain they should consider using it it appears as though CBD is fairly safe safe and it might be effective in certain types of pain the biggest concern about CBD is knowing your source of CBD and making sure that you're not in some way consuming swimming CBD that is in some way contaminated either with thc or with any number of other chemicals depending on how it's been manufactured and processed and explain THC and y that combination could potentially be harmful THC the psychoactive component of cannabis or marijuana Arowana whereas CBD is different canal annoyed. That's in marijuana that is not psychoactive and in fact it even protects against the high you get from. THC So if people are trying CBD for pain we know that CBD is quite safe when you add thc you too that the safety changes because that is the psychoactive component of cannabis then you have a risk of dependence and addiction and a number of other things so yeah. I think it's important for people to understand that when they're going the sort of cannabis route cbd is something quite different than something that might contain thc. You are a doctor how often are patients asking about this all the time and it's not just for pain out on the Internet people are reporting that. CBD's effective for almost everything so a lot of patients are coming and asking their providers most providers haven't been educated or trained in the appropriate medicinal medicinal use of cannabinoid in especially CBD so a lot of people unfortunately are out there flying blind the you know they're. They don't have the guidance they would wound her that we would like them to have you know when they're trying to seek the appropriate use of these types of products. So what's the best way take it. A pill form drops lotions something else. Give us an idea for those who now they've cleared it with their doctor and they want to take this next step. The best way to take exceed is probably some type of oral administration either a pill or a gummy bear or a tincture. It's not a good idea to vape or in any way takes takes. CBD Any kind of sort of inhaled a respiratory route we see some of the problems that are occurring now with vaping that almost certainly is from contaminants contaminants in the vape products but be that as it may. It's just an inherently more dangerous route of administration and it's not your lungs. It's going into your legs and it's not necessary for appropriate medicinal use if you take. CBD Orally it will start working within a half hour or an hour. There's no reason reason you would need to get that really rapid onset of action that inhaling a drug would give the thing we should talk about our topical lotions. CBD Unless it's prepared with something else in it that helps penetrate through the skin does not penetrate through the skin very well at all so people are probably wasting a fair amount of money with topical that don't have anything else in it besides CBD because again pure CBD or Thc or any form of cabinet. They're very lipid soluble fat soluble and thus just putting canal annoyed on the skin very little of it would is he's going to be absorbed so both the topical route of Administration which is quite popular in the inhaled route of administration are probably sub optimal compared to just. I somehow taking it orally. What should we be looking for and equality. CBD product well first of all look for something that's been tested in labeled bold by some sort of regulatory body more and more states as they either decriminalize or or or past legal. Marijuana laws are putting mandatory testing testing programs in place and this is really essential because this is really. I think the biggest problem our biggest danger right now with CBD. Is that people don't I know what they're getting. They don't know if it's pure people have to be particularly careful if they have any type of employment where they're getting for example random urine drug screens because ah a very small amount of THC that is allowed in your C B D could be enough to flip a urine drug screen to be positive for an individual individuals so people that are for example getting urine drug tests have to be even more vigilant about where they get their cbd from this really is a legal legal grey zone as the Arthritis Foundation says because you as a doctor you understand the benefits of it but yet they're all these complexities based on where it's legal and based on having other components in it like THC Do you worry about this at all. I worry about it a great deal and again we're we are. I think we're already seeing with the vaping deaths and injuries that if people aren't careful these products can be very dangerous especially if they're in some way sort of adulterated a-rated or contaminated. We still need to know more about just pure. THC In pure CD but when you start then you know having products that are contaminated with with all sorts of different things that it's sort of the wild west out there unfortunately Dan claw is a rheumatologist at the University of Michigan who helped develop these new guidelines for the Arthritis rightous foundation on CBD use. Dan Thank you very much thank you we have linked to the full guidelines at here now dot org the impeachment inquiry in the US has put a spotlight on Ukraine so let's learn more about the country with Sir he PLO key who is professor of Ukrainian history at Harvard. Welcome back while it's my pleasure to be back so parts of Ukraine have been controlled by a range of powers over the centuries as including Lithuania Poland. It was of course part of the Soviet Union gained independence in nineteen ninety-one how has Ukraine found itself so stuck between the West and Russia since then while Ukraine declared independence on December first nineteen ninety one and one week after that it the Soviet Union was gone so Russia didn't think that the Anti Union enterprise was worth it without Ukraine. The the reason is Ukraine was at that time Ukraine remains today to be the second largest economy and country in terms of population after Russia. You're in the Soviet space a space so there is a lot at stake when it comes to developments in Ukraine either ninety one today and Ukraine is not a member of NATO which is why NATO did not stepped in after Crimea was annexed by Russia exactly exactly Ukraine is not part of nature and D- when NATO was expanded to the East manion Ukraine really worried that Ukraine would end up to be in no man's land between Russia should that would try to reclaim its control at least influence over the region and the expanded NATO and unfortunately those people who we're worried about that back in ninety four ninety five ninety six history turn them to be right. Why didn't Ukraine become part of NATO well well. There are two reasons festival wall that Ukrainians as a whole as a nation. We're not ready to do that. second everyone was concerned. Learned about Russia's reaction Ukraine and jour-jour were received a promise to become part of NATO and that was in the two eight and the immediate reaction was Russian invasion of Georgia so that but it's not to those plans right exactly so let's talk the leadership of Ukraine the current president is Zilenski clearly friendly to the United States but that hasn't always been the case since the collapse of the Soviet Union there was Victor Yuschenko who was friendly to the West but was poisoned in two thousand four then there was Viktor Yanukovych who was more friendly to Russia and was ousted in revelation in two thousand fourteen then Petro Poor Shaneco more pro-west why this back and forth well one of the reasons is history and and different parts of Ukraine belonged historically to different regions and empires and eastern part of Ukraine for a long period of time was part of the Russian Empire Western part part of Habsburg Empire and the the the much closer ties historically and economically between Winston Ukraine and Russia than between western Ukraine and still divided country basically it it was very much divided country before the Russian annexation of the creamier but since then what we see is that Ukrainian electorate actually is much more united as much more homogeneous than it was before for for example the elections in two thousand fourteen of President Shankar the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians voted for one candidate the the same happened with presidents penske and this is new development after after the war so as a professor of Ukrainian history and a Ukrainian American yourself what has been your reaction to Ukraine's place in this impeachment inquiry well. I think I'm more or less insane. Quiz the most of Ukrainians today who are very unhappy to find Ukraine in the middle of a political fight in the United States and Ukraine very much depends hands on the goodwill and support of European countries but especially the United States and what that means is that Ukraine is interested in bipartisan support it and it became a major issue in war between Democrats and Republicans in the United States something that certainly is not good for your grade that that is sir heat plucky. WHO's a professor of Ukrainian history at Harvard. His new book is forgotten bastards of the eastern front American airmen behind the Soviet lines in the collapse of the Grand Alliance. You're listening to here now and this message comes from. NPR's sponsor indeed when it comes to hiring. 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If you think about all the stomach lining we've shed since take January two thousand eighteen and I'm quoting Bloomberg here in the period since the S. and P. Five hundred it is hit eighteen fresh records. It's had a correction a near twenty percent loss to more declines of six percent this year and after yesterday you saw the first back-to-back declines of one percent a year you put it all into the blender and afterwards. We're told that the index has done nothing since January two thousand eighteen well. Let's talk about some of the reasons for this. Week's drops the Dow dropped five hundred points yesterday more than eight hundred points just in this very young months so far some say this is just October hct. It's always more volatile than other months but what else is behind the drop well. Let's let's talk about October. First second you think about the three defining market meltdowns of the past century in nineteen twenty nine. I mean I was there. I remember vividly nine hundred eighty seven two thousand eight. We all remember that and you add to that this time around confluence at anxieties for this October Hobart trade talks. If you remember those they're set to continue in a few weeks with China. The U K is GonNa face end of month brexit deadline what if it has to crash shout like Boris Johnson suggests and the Federal Reserve is going to meet again at the end of the month and everybody is talking about impeachment by the way so that is a tremendous amount of headline risk in an in a historic month for for declines well. Let's talk about the manufacturing piece a of this this new manufacturing report from the Institute for Supply Management shows some of the weakest manufacturing in the US in ten years and pins it on the trade war which if we remember correctly president trump was talking about the fact the tariffs were going to help domestic manufacturing yeah but that takes time for that three point turn to happen for China. There's going to be interim pie pain with the trade war and for the the the drops to truly come back here and in the interim it certainly doesn't help that the US dollar are greenback is so strong relative to other currencies and you combine that with the trade headwinds and all these stockpiled inventories that we're talking about and you're just seeing new orders for our wears slumping both exports and domestic demand for factory orders and yet consumer spending which makes up seventy percent of the domestic. GDP still going strong but the worry is GonNa Snow Ball. If when you see this manufacturing pullback result Taymor idled factories more layoffs were starting to see that anecdotally in Michigan are we. GonNa see publicly traded manufacturers step up to announce earnings shortfalls. They're gonNA mothball mothballed projects and actually issue pink slips. Don't take for granted that the unemployment rate is still near a fifth year low and you say we're starting to see that anecdotally in Michigan do you mean because of the the UAW strike that's been going on there. That's right I mean you're already seeing increased furloughed workers across the supply chain but that has to be looked at in the context Jeremy Give Stockpiling inventories for carmakers. They've been complaining about sedans. How much of that sagging demand is economic. I think that's the question on everybody's mind right now because GM certainly has enormous inventories it doesn't have to have these factories running at full tilt even if the UAW wasn't on its case probably had hosted public radio's full disclosure. Thank you thank thank you Jeremy an update on Senator Bernie Sanders. WHO's in the hospital recovering after he had two stents put in following chest pain? His campaign says he'll he'll take about a week off from the campaign trail and he says he's feeling good. He managed to put a plug in for one of his policies. Medicare for all he tweeted. None of us know when a medical medical emergency might affect US and no one should fear going bankrupt if it occurs Medicare for all exclamation point but this hospitalization is raising questions Christians about his health and a familiar topic his age Senator Sanders is seventy eight years old and that came up in an interview last month with Dr Oz. If if elected you would be h seventy nine when inaugurated which will make the oldest president to have ever gone through that process you see a benefit of of the wisdom that comes with seventy nine years of experience look. I think if people look at I lives work which has involved standing up to almost every powerful full special interest in this country. I think people will be impressed by that record. The other two Democratic Front runners are also in their seventies Senator Elizabeth with Warren and former Vice President Joe Biden even though voters would prefer a younger candidate a poll from Pew Research Center in May found that only three percent percent of the Democrats pulled see seventies as an ideal age for a President Democrats overwhelmingly want a candidate in their forties fifties or sixties. Xt's and recent Democrats we've had in that range. President Obama was forty seven when elected Bill Clinton was forty six. JFK was forty three he was the youngest president didn't to be elected. The oldest was a Republican Ronald Reagan who was seventy three when he won a second term. Seventy three is also the age of our current President Donald Trump so chances are next president may just be a Septuagenarian uh-huh. We all have our favorites art pieces that instantly tug at our hearts. It's Yvo can emotion. Take us to a specific place in time for the last few months art lovers from around the world have descended onto. LA's California African American Art Museum Zia to capture that feeling through the iconic painting sugar shack you might know sugar shack is the cover art of Marvin engaged nineteen seventy six album I want you I remember it as a kid watching good times in syndication. I always look forward to it at the end of the credits. You know what I always thought. Growing up watching good times was that JJ actually did this painting. Do you think that when you yeah did I thought that he was the painter who painted this beautiful painting on the the wall. Sam Crews who was visiting from Alabama and I weren't alone in thinking this the actual painter is the late Ernie Barnes a professional football star in the late fifties as an early sixties Barnes is best known for his art creating vibrant depictions of exaggerated and elongated bodies in motion on canvas lose. Rodriguez worked for Barnes and helped in the curation of the artwork here at the Cam. He said that if he hadn't played football a lot of his work wouldn't appear it like it did because because he understood the athleticism there's athleticism even in the paintings art of athletes in the limbs and the muscles yeah well. He's had his thing about strong women strong black woman expression especially like take for instance my Miss America this was done in the seventies and this was way before they had blackness America and so earning. Did this painting saying his Miss America is a strong black woman standing undaunted moving moving forward because he knew growing up in the South during the thirties and forties black women didn't have a lot of power the exhibit takes visitors on a a journey through Barnes's life his childhood in Durham North Carolina his football career the evolution of his paintings and the decades barnes spent living in L. A.'s Fairfax Tax district until he died in two thousand nine. The undeniable star of Barnes's exhibit is the sugar shack will become reminding the scene on the color purple the inspiration for that. I'm sure over the summer lines were out the door people waiting to stand in front of this three by four foot canvas to take a selfie or simply take it all in Barnes has said the idea for this painting was inspired by a dance he snuck into in Durham Armory in North Carolina China. He was thirteen years old there. He saw them men and women hypnotized by the drums limbs loosened by the percussion and the sounds of the horns. It's an everyone's is like in the painting were closed. Jesse Adamson here from Toronto. Canada notices the twisting bodies. I she's captivated the movement. The figures are almost like ghostly like spectral sort of so yeah. I think it's it's definitely like the color serve produces energy but also like something kind of the past or suggesting. Maybe like a ghostly things. That's a little haunting. I guess there are the obvious things people see in the sugar shack painting the woman in Yellow The lady front and center so into the groove she has to hold up redress then there are the subtle little things like the security guard crouched in a chair behind the dancers in the background and way up at the top left of the painting a sign that says dance contest Alvarez Andrei Guzman of New Jersey notices it for the first time on awhile. I'm reminded of like on the Harlem Renaissance like I don't know if the through these little parties parties in their apartments were they provided free food and all that stuff but this now that's what I'm I'm getting a lot of that invited musicians and it was basically a way to collect like money for the community so that little sidelight there just triggered that whole. I never thought of Harlem when I saw this never did that. Sign the kind of did it for me. Up Walks Carey Hall all visiting from England the painting looks familiar reminds her of home the MD tone phones obstinately amazing absolutely gorgeous. I didn't even realize realized them learning now today that he drew this particular photo hell really big in London as well this particular financial. Where did you know it from I've seen in you will not exactly there's a part in east London that does fall on the street that Sovan spy it reminds you of this photo in particular so it's quite interesting to see it right there in your face. It's quite amazing to see it because really I chronic photo. I just see everyone. I don't know I just I just see love very good vibes. Just people enjoying themselves so being who they all the capturing of that spirit the essence of humanity. It's what drew through. La Attorney Jim Epstein to become a barnes collector. I met Ernie bornes back in the seventies. My Law partner at that time was a friend of Ernie introduced me and I bought two paintings from him and then I commissioned him to a painting of my great Dane which he did Epstein owns the iconic sugar shack painting which when he isn't loaning it out to museums like Cam is proudly on display in his REC room. I just love it. I love the allegation. I loved the UH atmosphere. I love the clothes. Is I find I see things. I'd never noticed before quite a bit. It's great. I've wandered out at least three or four times comes over the last five years at least and a great reaction to this best investment ever made Sam crews of Alabama says the painting inning takes him back to a time when life was simple and all it took was a Friday night get together and some friends to feel good real from Alabama Alma yeah we wanted to come to see some some black art because I like to have a painting of that take on put on my long aw four time during the height of the blackest beautiful movement in the seventies people actually did have sugar shack on their walls childhood friends Deborah more rainy and Arlene Goff say just about everyone they knew in Kansas City had a print. Oh no what year was this was nineteen. Seventy sex graduated high school of course we all had the Marvin album and this was uncovered his album so we all had a copy of this piece back in the day family room. I think it was about you to my mother's family room. Yes he had a copy in yes. I didn't know that so this was copied and people would have it framed on their wells. Yes yes they would. Yes just enjoy looking at it every day. Wondering a good times on the sugar shack a national treasure now gaining popularity through the eyes of new audiences. Yeah mm-hmm the House Speaker Speaker Nancy Pelosi is in Florida today meeting with Venezuelan leaders as the US continues to try to ease suffering in the country which is dealing with hyper inflation and in historic Soreq humanitarian crisis the government of Nicholas Maduro continues to hold onto power despite steady opposition from one Guido who is recognized as Venezuela's rightful leader by the US more than fifty other countries. The person by Madero side is also one of the most powerful people in the country that would be his wife Celia Florus who doesn't call herself the first lady but rather the first revolutionary combatant joining us now with more on her Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Hanna Drier and and Hannah before you WanNa Pulitzer. You're an AP reporter in Caracas. Tell us who Silia Flora's is and why she is so powerful so people in Venezuela tend to talk about Celia the like the Lady Macbeth of Caracas. The perception is that she sort of the power behind Nicholas Maduro and a lot of ways she came from the slums she became a lawyer and then she became very close to Hugo Chavez which is crucial if you're going to be in power in Venezuela these days and and from then on she's just had the sort of meteoric political career. She's married to Nicholas Maduro She's also very powerful. In her own enright. She was the attorney general of the country and she ran the congress for many years and how does she exercise that power well so. Celia is known for are being very loyal to the cause for demanding loyalty from everyone around her so people who she is friends with people who she favors can rise up really quickly. One of them became the head of the Supreme Court and people who cross her tend to end up out of power. She's also notorious for nepotism awesome at one point. She got in trouble when she was running congress because she had forty members of her family on the payroll and people were joking that there are so many relatives of hers that if you said Florez in the Congress everybody would turn around. She also has had rumors that have followed her including that she has major major drug trafficking connections in Twenty Fifteen this all blew up when something called the Narko Sabrina affair happened. Tell us what that was so this happened at a time that a lot of high officials in Venezuela were under investigation for drug trafficking and corruption and there was a sense that the DA was sort sort of closing in and then one day everybody in the country was shocked because we heard that two nephews of Celia as had been arrested said and Haiti and extradited to the US and that just seemed unthinkable and US prosecutors said that these two nephews who were sort of nobody's had I've been planning to sell a lot of cocaine and use the proceeds to help the heavy says winning election implication is that Celia Flora's would have known that they were during this exactly the location was that this was the first crack in the structure that Celia Florida's had built a structure of corruption the nepotism and real power and people thought that the two nephews may flip and this might be the beginning of the end for that structure. It turned turned out they held firm. They both got long prison sentences but they don't appear to have sold anybody else out and this is where you came into the story because as they were are being arrested the police in Venezuela grabbed you off the street where you were reporting in Chavez's hometown and tried to use you as collateral that's right. It probably wasn't the smartest time for me to go to his hometown. which is this very rural area but the secret police grabbed me? They didn't identify identify themselves. I thought it was a kidnapping. Finally they took me to headquarters and yeah. They said that they were going to keep me there for a long time and they weren't going to let me go until until they could trade me for these two nephews. So how did you get released. Well I think in part these secret police officers were sort of freelancing and eventually a much higher level member of the political police came in and basically told them that they had to let me go now as you mentioned you you were let go but the nephews of Celia Florez are still in prison how did people in Venezuela react when they found out that the first lady was involved evolved in this drug scandal for a lot of people it seemed to confirm everybody had suspected by the major administration is so good at this they quickly turned it to their advantage and started talking about how the Narcos Sabrina had been kidnapped and how this is just another example of the US meddling in in Venezuela's affairs they basically made it into a talking point overnight so she keeps a low profile but do you think that she is in any way a part of the reason why the US and other countries have not been able to make a deal with Madero to leave to leave power to leave Venezuela because she's such a true believer because she so powerful is she stopping that from happening the people who have flipped on the Madeira Administration Administration the people who really are in the best position to know say that Celia is Medeiros closest advisor so yeah. It's really hard to believe that murder do something that she didn't approve of and so far she doesn't seem to be interested in seeing any ground or taking an amnesty deal that is Hannah Dryer. WHO's a reporter now the Washington Post used to be at PROPUBLICA and the AP in Caracas Venezuela? Thank you for joining US thank you Jamie and here in as a production of NPR and WB you are an association with the BBC World Service. I'm Jeremy Hobson. Im Tanya Moseley. This is here now
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"This is a head gum podcast mitch if you found one hundred dollars on the street. Would you pick it up or keep walking. You know what i do do you. I'd say hot cha cha one hundred <hes>. Put it in my pocket. Yeah i probably buff. I'd probably be more like like one hundred big ones and then a gallup off. I'd probably like boop boop boop one hundred dollar bills and then do a little spin on the ground yeah i you you know me and i usually like lately been wearing a bow tie everywhere. I think that would probably start spinning. If i saw that one hundred dollars yeah for me i think my eyes would pop in my a tongue would unravel off the ground tank kind of turned into a cartoon wolfer second yeah harry it. Is i mean it's terrifying but you know it's it's not dangerous hundred dollar bills away from me. When i is mitch's you'll trigger mitch's temporary like hanthropy. Take the money any of any of you would so what are you picking winners and not betting on them yeah. That's the way we go to mybookie. It's fast. It's easy and they pay when you win. Let's face it. Where you're betting is just as important as who you're betting on. That's right nick. We wouldn't be telling you about with them if they weren't the best so do smart thing we're getting on football this season with my bookie and you can bet on games after kickoff in the second half. It looks like you're gonna lose. You can always just take the other side and if you're the kind of guy that likes to bed a little and win a lot triumph parlay of all your picks come through through. You'll multiply your winnings and no matter how you bet the n._f._l. Season is the best time of the year join now and mybookie will double your first deposit use promo code doe oh boys to activate the offer. That's promo code d. o. u. G. h. b. o. y. s. o. capital visit my book. I don't think it's case sensitive. I've been doing our next shut up. Use all caps just just in case my visit mybookie dot a._g. Today you play you win. You get paid you baby. Hey guys mitch here unfortunately fortunately due to a job opportunity. The doe boys have to cancel their tour dates in london toronto cleveland milwaukee in royal oak michigan. We're really disappointed by it. <hes> it's a great job opportunity for me and but were sat and not be able to come visit you guys. We love of all the support that you guys show us over the years and from listen to the main episodes bonus episodes the patriot subscribers and everyone who comes out to the show. I can't tell you how much we appreciate it and we're upset by. It's an exciting thing for me but a we're we're gonna come back. We've already talked to our touring guy where we're hopefully going reschedule agile tours there in the new year and we'll see you soon so thank you for for supporting us and and thank you for coming out to those shows and <hes> huge apologies for having having a cancel these days but we hope to see y'all soon thanks guys <music> it aw in the early nineteen fifties while studying to be a doctor at the university of nebraska trinidadian american immigrants ben ali fell down elevator shaft and broke his back an instant the wood set a theme for the man and his eventual restaurant survival against the odds at least horrific injury led him to transfer to howard university in the nation's capital the city in which he meet date and propose to virginia rollins in in nineteen fifty-eight the now engaged couple open dining burger and hot dog joint not far from howard's campus on d. C.'s use street then known as black broadway. The diners indulgent fair loaded with spicy chilean based on a recipe from elise native trinidad and tobago led to it developing a fervent following among locals it signature dish remains to this day the chili half smoke doc a half beef half pork sausage which due to his islamic faith ali never tasted in nineteen sixty eight after martin luther king junior coincidentally a former customer moore was assassinated rides destroyed much of the surrounding neighborhood but the restaurant not only survived it remained open during the crisis and the rights were just one of a series of disruptions that a threatened its existence including the drug war and subway construction which shuttered surrounding businesses the alleys chilly institution endured the eatery boasts an impressive list of celebrity clientele intel including miles davis anthony bourdain and barack obama and another of its famous fans was formerly paid tribute by an unfortunate sign that read list of who eats free bill cosby. No one else alley died in two thousand nine but his restaurant of course survived today managed by one of his three sons who are all given the middle name ben in anticipation of them one day taking control now with four area locations this small chain of surviving in another change in the d._c. D._c. landscape gentrification this week on doe boys ben's chili bowl <music> felt so self conscious about using my phone after that inch that announcements you're welcome welcome to show what adobo the guys we have an awesome show for you but before we go any further this week's roast is courtesy of robert wind ship. Let me introduce my co host mayor for life marion crunch. Berry notice wound right ah what's up d._c. Wow d._c. Must stand for delightful crowd. What uh that i did like it. I thought it was great. Good placement of the music stand right in the way. I tried to find a spot for it. It was tough. You did a bad job. Hold on hold on to see you move and we get feedback cards less wagner movements. I know my god guy might be gone for twenty minutes now. Folks no don't get back. Oh my god. There's a ninety percent chance he's in bed with this thing later aw fuck inanimate object. I never said fuck it for god's sakes. I never said you you don't fucking holding it yeah. I don't know man the end. You're making me disoriented. Scoot over wine mitch. We've we've had we've been in d._c. For a couple of days now had a lovely time so far lovely city. I i true for you. I didn't have a great time to day. 'cause i had a very very bad night's. Sleep absent night's sleep. I didn't sleep. No you didn't sleep at all. I can sleep at all. I got a little bit of a nap in which i can't normally do but it's gotten but here's what i liked about the city. The public transit is pretty good. Wow you guys cheered his ask compliment. I liked it pretty good. I don't even say it was is great. It's good. It's not perfect. They're things that could be improved the man i would kill for that padding on the buses in l._a. Wow adopted the l. all to line. What's the one the circulator. The circulator is free love that circulator u. S. l. a. when you ride the bus yeah. They don't have as much. There's not as much cushion. There okay interesting. I mean you know i. I'd say i've got that wagon again so like i've got a little my own cushion to sit on but yeah the the fat guy now. No i'm getting. I'm getting fat fat again. I'm back fat fat wijers back. We walk around a little bit. We saw some sites. We went to <hes> the washington monument. We saw you're struggling to remember it d._c. Landmark in the chair guy we saw the chair we did see the chair <hes> yeah sitting up there enjoying himself lazy zi fuck <hes>. I made a joke that i lost track you and then when i looked up that you were between lincoln's legs is going down on her and the statue was smile and say that the statue was smiling as well. You're good at your job. My job is to blow giants that guy's big lincoln's begged ah he's big. Have you guys noticed that d._c. These bag he's very big tall man but the statue was very big. I stayed a night in the washington washington. Hilton where reagan was almost assassinated yeah and i told her okay. I told laggard this lows when i told you this news. You said that you wish you were assassinated on this trip. Do you remember that no. I don't you said i wish i hope we get assassinated. Those were your exact words. Are i stand by that. You doing all right you. I got like ninety minutes to sleep in the past twenty four hours doing okay. I heard you screaming in your dreams the night before two nights ago because we got an a night early i do. I do have night terrors and apparently apparently i was talking to myself a screaming. That was just kind of like right. It happened a couple times nick. I thought you were joking right but you were sound asleep. 'cause you're also you also have an issue. Which is the airbnb. Were staying at okay. You believe is occupied by a ghost. I was going to stay on the first floor of the first night and then. I got so scared that i got as close to your room. As possible feels time gonna it do nothing. I don't know. I just hope that goes takes you i. I was very scared that first night it's a very haunted place. It's the exorcist exorcists hometown for bucks think she crawls backwards. It looks like the exorcist house now. Mitch helped me out was the interest documentary. It's a scary towns says well yeah i mean i is a particularly haunted as d._c. Have a reputation. We're being haunted. Oh it does okay. It's haunted as fuck. Oh wow okay. I have that sixth sense. Have i ever seen it goes no but i feel well it speaking of goes imagine the owner of ben's chili welcome back. He's like where's cosby. Oh ban oh boy i. Hey where to begin. Got news for you. Buddy know times change kids like chris tucker. Now that's rough speaking a witch boy. I do not envy the pipes here at the d._c. Improv after everyone's loaded up with ben's chili bowl we we have plumbers on stand by any first dates in the audience tonight. You guys get really comfortable with each other data any first date. You want to go see this podcast. I'm a fan of you could follow in love at a dope voice. Show that's beautiful. It would be beautiful if that happened. I don't know if we've had any fans that have had made a love. I think we'd have some fans that have made a love connection. I think people oh definitely broken up over the foreshore mitch. I was like you know. I got a nice walking city. I believe walking aerobic my fucking face. Here's i'm not gonna read anything in your face but the i was walking and crack a propositioned by a prostitute that's right. I got a classic classic classic sex worker. Hey baby one a date by a woman who was sitting on steps putting your shoes on and you know possible she was as she was a professional sex worker and also possible that i just looked like such a mark that she was like well. I gotta take this opportunity. What were are you doing or you. Look up from your nintendo switch as she asked you this question. I got play my switch while i'm walking that sorta gave her like you know that half nod you give people oh cool so you freaked her out. Your answer was yes to the date. Basically no i just was sort of like a nod of acknowledgment acknowledgment yeah but she asked me if you wanna date didn't she but that's like a whole. That's like a what's up. Not that's like a our answer. She asked if you she said. Do you need a date right. One nod is not like a yes multiple nods. That's like i'm accepting this but just like a nod is like how do you do ma'am damn. It's friendly. I'm being convivial. So where did you guys go. It's been syllable. What other food do we have here. We had a little bit you went to farming founding founding farmers farmers here that was good this little gastro pub great cocktails great salads and both were trying to eat healthy because reading so much fucking garbage over this ah eight show tour yeah. It sounds like you're not happy. I'm doing okay. I'm hanging by threat bar. Hunting farmers also a fun name. I i thought oh it's a lot of fun like founding fathers but farmers we did at the same time. It was pretty good. That's our show. We got and we got another. We get some more food mitch. Yes we certainly did. We got italian food. Are we got some italian place called. I don't remember a little coco cocos. Yeah you're right we did. We got little you you there. What the fuck the only italian place in town no way we did have another. We did have another meal. Oh that's right yeah. What was it is. Is it hot lights. Yeah sorry hold on ah we recall that the prestige for those of you listening mitch and i just removed our top layer to reveal comet ping pong t shirts. That's right after we went there. I actually had a nice meal. I will say that we went out and was like we were outside. We were kind of like this big plays and then afterwards. We're like pizza gate israel. Yes we both think pizza gate israel. Now you know i really was struggling with this because we uh we plan this reveal. Yeah i was just going to be wearing a blank gray shirt comet ping pong but you've been so tired and i felt so bad i would you. Did you have a blank gray shirt worn this backwards route kids. Why do you care about the gray shirt specific. I just trying to figure got how you were going to do the logistics of this because they had to get an additional thing you wouldn't have. I think more than anything that's the reason you didn't okay fair enough. You wouldn't want extra step. We want to comet ping pong and it was weird. It was weird but the food was pretty. It was pretty good. I enjoy a nice salad unique wings sort of this caribbean jerk rob yes and a horseradish dip but the and the pizza was fine <hes> but the weird little weird well why ping pong whoa you working working first off. Thank you for your service. Ah second off. How do we get in the basement. I'm sorry what what why why is it like that interesting. Oh well hell mike critter might get their combat team. Pong shit the trust that it is because people haven't been there people who are in the back of the restaurant you just sort of go back there and it is like a pretty secluded area where there's just ping pong tables and then there's also the bathrooms are door secret doors for the bathroom. Yeah it's weird right little weird answer for that sir. It's weird. I explain it at least once a shift mitch you went to the you went to the bathrooms. I pushed on the door and then this is true. The door was locked and then a little girl just went hello and i was like uh and then she continued and then like five seconds hello and she kept saying that over and over again. Hello hello oh and i was like i just touched it once. What the fuck is this and then a lady came up and i was like i think there's someone in there and she's like my daughter and i was like is she okay. She was asking like hello. She went checked. Are i have no idea what happened. After that. It was fucking. Creepy is a little strange. I mean he's been a weird kid in there but it was weird was that panic goes goes yeah but nick you went to another fan theories by the way he's a fan theory throughout the show to what happened in our lives just shouted out he went to another place yes and there was a hidden ping pong table coffee shop the next morning and there's a like a sort of roped off stairwell and on the way up and it said ping pong upstairs. I was like what the fuck is up with d._c. And being bombed and forrest gump comes to d._c. Because he plays ping pong right what the fuck is going on with ping pong. What is it. I don't know let's get the fuck out of this place. We got more show to do virtually because we got some awesome gas i up. What what did you say trump. Yeah trump's president up here aw oh you were doing your job warming. They were helping you. I was so mad at you. I was furious spoon nation and you saw long hit him with a little drop. If we can mickey mouse was by my bed in the middle of the night. The fan came out grabbed matt. He's involved in the o._j. Trial in some capacity thought maybe he was the real murderer donald town. I am i didn't go to art school. Which is why can't tasers muff right. Dickel crooked you crew. I noticed in the mood guaranteed speed. Her dirt couldn't tarantino to them. Intentional twisted alright. I forgot how embarrassing are those are alive. It's been a while. This is from mike matthews. Hey guys first time longtime. Thanks for the last. I don't really use i g that's instagram nick or twitter but i have a music page. Soundcloud slash dot com slash mattingly mattingly melody. Why don't know what that means mattingly melody check it out a great guy salvage mitchellville. Let's get our guests out here. Yes yes overdue from the president show inside amy schumer and the simpsons. I give it up for christine. Nangle the the displaying your name game t shirt for all to see thanks for being here in angle next up from drunk history comedy bang bang and brooklyn nine nine. Give it up for the great. Carl tars the in some guys too long without guests. I know we agree. We went along. We had a big comet ping pong reveal. We fucked up. Apps are reveal yeah. Was it worth forty dollars. Each no forgot to charge us shit. We shouldn't have said that guy the the charges for the t shirts really yes. Oh wow you said this the other day. Oh that's right. I forgot going on with you stole. Oh that kind of did still but we stolen from a fucked up place. We didn't realize until we were back. We'll pay that guy on the way and nick yeah. I totally that there'd be some surprises on this war and there's a little surprise. There's another guest but hold on don't get too excited excited. They had to come in through video. Use dim the lights too so people can see the video in and we will play this bad boy right now and nick. You can look forward to these. I think there's gonna be some guests dropping in throughout the tour oh boy here. We go hi nick. I wanted congrats on the start of tour and that. I hope you really enjoy d._c. But hey please stay away from comet ping pong. Okay mitch told me what you like to do yourself and i'm not sure what's more disturbing thinking about doing that or you. You know that orange stormy daniels put it in the wikipedia adobo guessed. What is your cameo rate. You wanna know how much i paid for that yeah. I'm curious. Two hundred fifty dollars <music> slicks king michael my tooth after she she was pretty good. Yeah i like her. It was very natural. Natural felt like she was a listener right lying. I don't know what your duty is it. I did it. I had a fun little surprise. That was good. That was well done. Thank you you don't okay nick. I'm hanging in there. I'm all fought ones nervous about you. I'm doing fine. What do you think is gonna happen. I don't nick okay today. Nick was so like down that i felt like he was like being really quiet and like walking behind signed us and i felt like i was sitting sitting. I was sitting next to him at lunch and i felt like i had just told my husband. I cheated on him like i need to think about it was like the energy. I was like oh his dad. You were just so quiet now. I was very groggy because i was on no sleep. I couldn't sleep in this hot bright room that we there was in and so i was just very condole. The fuck was on and you're working in the mines all day working in the mine no physically exhausted and mentally can tell what's going on it was it was very very bright up there. You're saying it was very hard to sleep. I'm sensitive to light a hard time sleeping in general i know i know i just didn't know it was so bright. You could have slept out in my room or something. I don't care was very groggy. That was what was going on. I got a little bit of a nap and feeling a little bit better. Moping adrenaline will get me through the rest of this obviously so far not going yeah. I'm doing my best. We're in d._c. Nicole you're from the east coast carl from the south but but grew up partly in l._a. I have have a question yes please. Did you accidentally sleep in the greenhouse outback saying i made a mistake instead of choosing the bedroom went to the greenhouse gas very bright <unk> hot exposed to sunlight saying i made that i was just checking to make sure sure you're okay. I was in a room with a bed with us on so you were your state wide awake with you song sleeping in the bed next to basically yeah he was snoozing. How long did you watch him. I didn't watch him over there. Look like people at him like a creep. So what the fuck are you doing for eight hours away. I was trying to fall asleep sleep. I got up to use the bathroom a few times a check my phone a little bit and eventually when the sun came out gave up and i went downstairs and got some work done. He's christ totally to sleep sleep with the t._v. Oh i sleep with the t._v. I watch family guy every night and it was me right out how did but he was turned into the sun channel that adalah too much ambient noise also a problem for me like like silence and darkness. They think is best for me like when i need like i feel like on if i had if i had a drag i'm you know i'm used to getting getting silence from an audience so it makes me comfortable but no i think if i had a dracula style sleep coffin like i would be like very content yeah yeah. I think he could do a like a fucking vampire. It should be an actual coffin but that kind of sleeping setup new patriots. How much does the coffin cost. I don't know about five thousand dollars worth took a cheaper one. Oh man what is that like right there. The answer isn't so sad down the. I asked that i have no one sent a coffin to the p._o. Box for god's sake ah especially not a dracula sized coffin for a man is about six feet tall one but yeah yeah but if you do send it also was into chandelier that he can pull it off only both not just aw spent much time here in the nation's capital either of you. I came here for a weekend last year. Oh wow okay yeah and that's what we did all the touristy stuff right right and mitch have you. I came here war yeah. I was here on a junior junior. Junior high school. Cool trip saw the president. This place is like a school trip. If you from the east coast yeah okay don't do this. We go to a laker game. It's true or universal studios. I actually did go to universal. Versus studios are waterpark so do a lot of water. Raging waters wild rivers preferred wild rivers. I had a lotta fun there. From philly you spend a lot of time and <hes> <hes> i was here a couple of times one time i came and i i saw the <hes> abraham lincoln monument gave him a blow job did not like ah brown face <hes> i remember one time we came down. <hes> both my parents were civil servants for federal trump louise and we came down for something my dad had and it was we stated an embassy suites and it was our first time i grew up in a family six four kids to parents and and brag and we stayed in embassy suites and it was such a huge deal because it was like we were at a hotel and and it was like we were so excited and i think it was like eight and there was a fire the fire alarm off in the middle of the night and like everybody from this real like dislike tall hotel had to evacuate in the middle of the night but my mom made us get chain get change into our clothes and pack our bags. Oh oh man yeah and then we got outside and everyone's like in their pajamas and i still remember my mom was probably younger than i am now being like oh the first experience of d._c. My i i remember when i was a young boy. I liked to collect doc trash so sure normal. I had a high c. Grape fruit juice box and i everytime i try to throw it away. I cried so my dad put it in in his back pocket and then we went to the supreme court and we went through the metal detector and it kept going off in my dad was like i don't know what the fox going on and they were like we're going to have to search you and they pulled him over the side and patting them down like it's fucking juice box and i remember like even as a boy he can throw away now. That's my memory can have a juice box. No i'm taking this supreme a was it a it was a tin yeah. I think it was the inside outta. The juice boxes the setting off the metal detectors. L. wasn't capri sun. He said it was a high see hi c. Interesting your parents are giving you bullets in water. That's also true. I i so yeah. I haven't been here. I went here. Here's a question. Have you guys ever seen a president in person i've seen too. I saw i saw bill. Clinton came to my high school i was. I don't know all right all right clinton. Doing you know what i like about epstein six. I keep getting older and they stay the same uh-huh. That's good was that that's bad. That's a good bit. I don't listen. I don't listen to the podcast you do that. On the podcast going i mean us clinton stops by bill clinton. We'll make some it so in the nineties. It wasn't my high school. It was it was another school in my district and my but my high school marching band blade and i was part of it we played the hail to the chief for bill clinton walking out very exciting but we saw it on the news in the mix was all very upset but he sounds like you guys suck. Actually the issue was they put the trombones in the front of the sack of the band so that that was all that you heard what the but you're supposed to do that thank you beat his ass but clinton and this was this was the what was going on in the nineties. These these are the critical issues address. <hes> you know that our nation nation had to address it was a school uniform thing and my school district long beach unified school district in in long beach california had instituted mandatory school uniforms performs for like k. through eighth grade and it was like the first public school district nation do that so bill clinton came to give speech to talk about how great that was because it's a weird weird like mike minor thing. That's what we were dealing with. At leg with. These kids are wearing your brand for president but then i total lie me and my friend crafted ally that we got to go talk to the president but the thing is we made the lie to plausible that it wasn't even and fun to tell we kinda fucked ourselves. What was the lie. Let's hear it it was that we were like. We're like we're originally going to say like complimented us on our honor performance but then just we just negotiated down to us going up and being like a he said the whole band like like thank you for being here which he didn't do. Why do we even bother bothered with us ly. What did this get us and we told her life. Were you living you tell them the most boring fucking lie and then we told her friends and then you just like cool like didn't even look up for mortal combat. It was just like fucking waste of ally rules. Who's that guy that was either. John severe dave in somboon organizer but the and then they saw obama once when i was here recently not recently label in the past five years and it was i saw one of those press conferences and it was like during a government shutdown like we're getting a white house tour because i was here for some meetings with the company i was working for and we got to monsanto here lobbying to deregulate round up which is weird because you just do the graphic design for the pack right but yeah we and we and it was very strange and you get that like i get that compulsion. It's just like oh my god. It's like he's like the guys right. There is the closest i've ever been to someone that famous and the with that much power was like very these guys feel how they feel tell. This guy feels right here. It was your reaction to being close to that someone famous. Did you put your hands up in strangling fashion. Here was the issue i drink. I was very hung over and drinking entire like thirty thirty two ounce gatorade you know those big boys a big ask eight or roy and seriously we got the gun was loaded. Your gun was loaded and it was honestly the worst. I've had to urinate nate wall and trapped in a space since i saw the x. files movie in theaters which also rough and i couldn't. I know you are a bit of a piss. Edger the ladies with call those cables ah push this too far. This was really like this was the closest. I came to visit my pants in the room with the president. I was like i would be on the news and it was very very very stressful. That'd be the most famous thing i could possibly do is piss my pants in front of the president. I'd like be tackled and covered in my own urine possibly like fucking double town by a secret service agent. Just fucking die in a pile of blood and piss. You tackle you if you piss your pants. What the fuck yes i do when they jump on top of you. They probably like this is fucking grow. Is the president want to go to the other room. It smells like shit it hold on. I was pissed. My shit might dance. I'm saying you're pissed. Smells like shit my friend. Have you guys ever seen a president person. Those are my stories. No no <hes> i've seen donald trump wants in office. No okay no like robert. Kiyosaki rich dad poor dad convinced in the l. a. convention center. I was raised by a single mom and she didn't have a babysitter so she take me with her to this money-making convention which is a scam sure my mom's spent more money than she made on that damn thing was oh don't be sad. Oh sorry sorry sorry. I'm rich now. I am not i am not doc but i went to that and this is also around the time where like for some reason the hip hop music and hip hop moguls idolize donald trump trump right because he was just like all about making money and so like it was actually tight when he came out because it was like all right the moment you all been waiting for because it was born tale where was it. It was at the convention center in l._a. Yeah and it was just all about here's how i got a boat and investment and i didn't understand it but then i'm i'm sitting here with my mom and she's like stop wiggling. I had i kept waiting had to pay two and he comes out like the moment you waiting for that is a gentleman gentlemen donald trump and start playing by the o._j.'s and you don't have that starts cool like baseline of guitar light bottom whine are these girls came out and they were like doing choreographed dances and it was like pyrotechnics and then he just kinda walks thank you thank thank you trump tight all day every day so they say on this speech is like i'm white right and my dad's rich by it was quite uplifting. I is a fifth grader was the was the two thousand not as i've seen donald trump has only one i've ever seen why drop kicked arnold schwarzenegger a couple months ago. Did you guys ah i punched richard spencer me yes. I did me too president before you move on though thank you bombshell i met bill clinton. I shook his hand. You met him. I met him holy shit. We know i shook his hand. Thank you what did he say. I was gonna say he's christine. What did he say he said my name i met him. When i was a freshman in college i want the school i went to <hes> university of pennsylvania selena and there's this special scholarship. There called the mayor scholarship in its for philadelphia residents. It's like a kind of need base and <hes> merit america thing and so for some reason he was in philly and they invited all the merit scholar all the all the mayor scholars go and i still have like remember. This lady called me. She was like the mayor philadelphia's assistant and she was like okay. Well you wanna come to this and i was like a freshman in college. I was like yes. I hated college. I've ever talked about spago. Ah aided and i wrote down the directions and she's like just go here and make a left here and go here and i was like okay and i went but like i still have the directions like on a little post it note the still how we got all all of us got a photo together but he came to greenwich links golf club in quincy. Quincy bill clinton did well and my boss was like bill. Clinton is going to be hearing yeah. That was a fake. Well bypass like he's going to be there and i was like dad. I'm going to go up to the golf club in meet former president clinton. I didn't say it like weird. I was going to be bill clinton. My dad's like what do you want to be defa philanderer for for he didn't care about them and my dad is a democrat but he didn't like clinton lawyer right so she was a lawyer and his his issue was the perjury was part of it yeah so yeah and he also had a big crush on monica yeah so he was pretty jealous. In everything monica monica guests right man i take lewinsky and it also take aac monica from brandy and monica down. I was team monica in that war. Oh yeah i think so yeah we we revealed these gray shirts. Yeah and i'm slowly sweating through mine. It's going to be very damp and dark looking by the end of the show. I just want to let everyone because i'm very self conscious of it right. Now i mean doc. I'm guessing like twenty five percent of the audiences bear fetishists just here to see you in person so take your shirt it off. Give them the show in their lives. No i don't take my shirt off for myself so you will not be seeing it. Ah let's talk about ben's chili bowl had anyone who had it before today. I had not no no no. I was aware of it because it's it's such an institution. It's one of those places that's known of across the country. Obviously it is. I never heard of it. Okay i have never heard of it and sorry are- i'd heard of it. I see we talked about it all the time in the bill cosby message the car was done. What was it what was the channel tv tv one tv one still plays cosby show this to one channel. I still plays gouged t._v. T._v. One is a black century television channel and is still plays the cosby show ooh. This is going to bring controversy wait. A second hallmark still plays seven ten so right. We get to keep in both of those jan right before we left. Cosby episode started right before wow that's when mitch went to shower. Fully clothed rudy needs those residual mitch. You and i are on the road right now and we've dealt with some less than pleasant sleep situations nick. You didn't sleep one night i didn't i was so uncomfortable parole but you know what <hes> helixsleep was awarded the number one best overall mattress pick of twenty nineteen by g. q. and wired magazine and mitch. You are currently roland with a helix helix owner. The great couch search transformed the great mattress search and i got myself nick. I have a helix moonlight lux king king mattress. Wow i got the kings is look sleeping with wow in our every night. I needed more room. I needed to be comfortable. The cats weren't sleeping well. I wasn't sleeping well. I got myself to helix. We are out like lights. Nick while as soon as we lay down for the night got plenty of room to roll around super comfy the cats i check in on them. I'm from the road there sleeping on the thing right. Now i love it. I've seen the videos of them the videos of them napping in that room and they look comfy as the dickens and very cute as well but that's not the point. The point is helixsleep has a quiz that takes just two minutes to complete matches your body type and sleep references to the perfect mattress for you and guess what nick a quiz even even. I couldn't fail that say heads up that whether you're aside sleeper hot sleeper mike plush or firm bed with helix. There's no more confusion and no more compromising on an average mattress. I'm hot sleeper and tummy sleeper neck. I lay on my tummy like a baby. Oh that's weird just go to helixsleep dot com slash doboy you take their two minute sleep quiz and they'll match you to a customized mattress that will give you the best of your life and hey they even have a ten year warranty and you get to try it out for one hundred nights risk-free. They'll even pick it up for you if you don't love it but you will you offering up to one hundred twenty five dollars off. All matters is ordered for our listeners at helixsleep dot com slash doboy. 's that's helix h. E. l. i. x. Sleep dot com slash doboy. 's for up to one one hundred twenty five dollars off nick. This mattress will put you to sleep faster than episode. Adobo is my friend fans. It's really like hammered today and i know it was. It was very exhausted but i didn't take my analyst and say did enjoy myself quite a bit but it it sort of enjoy your site. Oh i did enjoy quite a bit. I'm sorry for for fucking mumbling there but it hammered home like how much chili is a part of american cuisine because it is like jimmy think of in in on the west coast we've got in l._a. Area we've got you know tommy's burger which is like a you know like a chilly and fucking chili fries chili fuck. It's fucking place nice okay and we've got the hat the hat in orange county which is all like a like a bunch of chili loaded stuff. It's like chile is such a huge part of these fast food chains change that aren't like the national chains but they're gonna like the beloved local joints and and that's definitely the case with ben's chili bowl we went today. Do people like benazir van damme. This whole section did not just looking at my wet back the entire. Sorry sorry everyone's do you guys like light. Let's start your do. You guys like chili. I love chili. Emma chilly freak chilly freak because that makes me think you do like weird stuff now. The penguins the chilly willy sense. I think i'd like i like the look by julia like it as a bowl of chili dogs chili fries. It's like to fill up a bath. Okay nick speaking of patriotic tears. I heard you made a remix to deny howard's. It's all called the chili freak like me. Don't you islamic like me but they were both good. The only song i thought of was the freaks like me need company from the spiderman. Turn dark musical course one of twenty songs. Yeah i saw haiti's down on broadway and the guy yeah and the guy who played spider man in the spiderman musical is one of the elites of haiti sound thank you. That's the whole story a mitch kelly yeah. I like chili. I do not under oath. I like to wendy's gilio grownup. The homemade chili right that was wendy's is kind of my fast food chilly out. There wasn't a lot of other places where get jillian the fast food sense. There was like no specific a bit like <hes> like there was no benz. You know what i mean. There was no like a chilly only place. There's nothing like that thing in the boston area. I mean i'm sure it exists but i'd carl how about yourself chilly chilly and not have where relationship i like a good made chili like a homemade chili with whole beans and stuff like that <hes> i make a good chili slowly put sugar in it. Yeah come to my house and a half so just getting go to my house. I shoot i. I like chili cheese. Dogs who doesn't know i worked work at a restaurant called barney's beanery in los angeles which is a bit chilly and i worked there for a while. Those hotdogs are big to don't fucking. Jon holmes fucking hot their model. That's down home. They just jon holmes had a huge dick and that's what nick's they know matt nick. You should have gone with peter north or is that more contemporary aw jesus and i like actually from t._l._c. chile has chilly. It's one the last one of the rumbling foods nick it definitely is especially you get it with beans and spicy ad can be it can be pretty in but you could also also order it without beans you. Can you have that places stink yeah. They're just getting like a meat chili. I like chili's. Especially like has a topping. I feel like sometimes without beans works better but you were saying. I'm sorry of what your opinion is as someone who's been a vegetarian for some years. Have you found some vegetarian chilies that satisfy are you first of all. We'd like to put on the record that i'm not a vegetarian. I eat fish. Okay absolutely angry about which i've never said i was a vegetarian. Thank you <hes> <music> vegans famously chill. Have i found what is ah. I met bill clinton. You found a budget. Have you found a vegetarian chili pesky terry in chile that satisfies you fish chilly face chilly. It doesn't have to have efficient to sabih. Pesca -tarian was what you said. I'm saying he could satisfy a pesca -tarian diet which means the exclusion of meat you. It was mitch that said mitt you. I don't i don't know <hes> <hes> i can't. I've not had a lot of luck with vegetarian chilies and i feel like it's like i'd love to eat less meat. Especially in you know usually chilly you can make a turkey chili but generally made with beef which is the most it's true. Turkey is me but i mean like if i want to one that i shouldn't say right down the street from me. Someone's gonna try and fuck walli twice. Were you guys leave. Walli loan. I agree don't break into mitch's apartment and fucking scat. That's that's my duty right. What laws nick if you own an animal. You may fuck it the that's why planned the d. Stop let me just don't tread on me. That's how that that snake into all those pieces that somebody fucked it. It's kudos to them for finding the snakes is bud hope. You looked in my pet snake which i one in the fifth grade. It never had a pet stake. What the fuck his ever this element. This was a weird element of it is in our class named the snake damien and after a kid at school. We thought was cool so it wasn't even a class. He was in a different class and everyone's like aw we like damian. We wanted to be our friend. Let's name the snake damien. I don't know if even found out but she's we collected like fucking kept key blocks or whatever currency you see the teacher had and i had the mosey what were they called cape ki bucks. What in the fuck does that mean. You can't just steamrolled by that. Okay okay. Let's say you're it sounds like a polish mobster. Your your mother was a worked in education yeah and you know if she had some and was teaching a class. You might have like some sort of fun mitchell currency right mitch books yeah. She went to mitch box how we pay you no. She thing teachers do this is not weird. This is the thing that happens in classrooms weird because you set it like we should know. Yes yes okay. I'm sorry for not giving additional context. His name was mr kentucky. I believe now i could be wrong. Move on and get out anyway. I collect noski walks kept. Its currency in the class and i used it at the end of the year. You bought the snake with khaki by the snake. You ooh god you're so fucking weird. It was the most everyone wanted the snake what we're buying like a fucking nerf football. Yes yeah so football's for sale and it was like. I won't wondering why you did that. Kept key to get those extra bucks. She's i'm saying as a student. He sucked them off or something look. Was there a local pizza parlor with table tennis tables in the back so i got i bought the stake in the ear and then you were talking about his whole extinct buttonholes that my snake died that summer the summer after he got him and he had like i think he was so constant about like come intoxicate dec- it sounds how could we are not tactic. He'd be dead a long time ago. It was ten years old. Even if i would think to do that. All i could shoot was air yeah so anyway this he had a fucking like impacted stool any fucking died from constipation the patient because when he when he was totally stiff we realized he wasn't moving anymore. And then you flip them over and then on his i do they have klay kaz snick snakes have and his glue ak- there was was just like a bunch of like feces like packed in there because belly was all swollen up miserable awful yeah. I know fucking awful way to go. I'm in any way. The snakes buttle made me think of that so this. I liked it from ben's chili bowl well. That's gonna use them. Ben's chili got things moving. You know what i'm saying this is this is on the website and i like this quote from the our history. There's a there's a lot of history here but in this kind of gives them the context who are previous celebrities weren't her occurrence current celebrities are from from dr martin luther king thing and duke ellington to bano and jimmy fallon four grades all the mount rushmore hotdogs but we went to the original location today for lunch. You guys were mentioning. The music was fucking great. Oh yeah they had this dude so there was a guy sitting at the jukebox and y'all su he was tight he was sitting there and he had on so much shoe polish on his hair like his mustache was painted on his airline and is it the same a person is he like a fixture robots. Yeah they thought it was a robot. He talked came in how you doing for those of you. You don't know all black people have technology that i couldn't walk by this elder say anything i would have made me <hes> disrespectful kneel down and shined your shoes off and we talked for a bit and he looked at me and he was talking about. We talked about music a little bit and then we talked about. He was an active tennis shoes. You got all right dan. What does that look like two thousand dollars dinners. Judy got on our right but he was he was he was like. I like that michael. Jordan's ain't nobody can beat that michael. Jordan and we said forbidden nick made me leave the lead he was a d._j. In the hotel right and he was i mean he was bhalla. He's playing the hits like the musicals property yeah the music very burnett bernadette by the four tops. Don't mess with bill yeah. Then we started singing yeah parentheses clinton y- characterize the service as like like you know very good and friendly kind of just like you know all business they were trying to take our order and and the person who is serving us is she was she was lovely but she was just kind of like getting taking care of efficiently because it's a it's a place with a lot of volume. I got the what happened there boy. Someone didn't use the yonder bag you just gotta. You upticks the song so we've the more you just killed him. I just wanted to make sure he was up. I'm sorry let's start start with the half smokes which i think a few of us go so i don't know if this is the thing to do or not but this is what i did because it's offered on the menu i got mine split it and grilled and it comes with mustard onions and chili sauce. You can omit whatever you want but that sauce chili sauce chili yeah. It's just like it. I think it doesn't have beans by default if you get it as a bowl. They add some beans. That's my that's my experience and the the fucking sausage which is happy half beef half pork half beak. Jesus nightmare is fucking great. It's got a great snap to it. It's delicious and then the chili is it's a lot but it's not so much. That's what i love about a good chili dog a welcome bows chili dogs like kind of like the sausages sorta nestled in that little little crevice in the bun. We're doesn't spill out over the sides and make your hands. A total mass is just like fucking well proportioned and i it was fucking great. Fantastic switched have to take a vitamin though that a beef forecast. I don't think it's split down the middle and i know that question something of a troll but i believe that the meat is ground up in integrated raided throughout. It looked like a doctor mario pill. Ah if you had another podcast you could talk about this on that but you can't write the doctor mario. It's an option what you got yourself. A half smokes. Oh and i got the spicy one and there's a spicy spicy a good amount of heat because and it's it's not it's not like it's not like punishingly hot. It's just it's just like a nice little tingle to it almost tasted like a theresa sauce right yeah i. That's a good way to characterize it. I got the original and i looked up to you and you said hey. I saved you half of my spicy sausage as i was sucking down the end of mine they didn't save any. I felt really bad. It's okay. I'm sorry i was impressed that you one shot at. I loved it nick. I thought it was really great. Yeah it was really great and i preferred it over the spicy sausage interesting. I thought the original added more flavor to it. It was good carl. You got one as well yeah. I got the spicy have smoke and i i had a cheese to mind which i was surprised that y'all didn't do. I didn't go that wasn't opposite well. Here's why didn't know was an. Do you know why you didn't know it wasn't now. She was that because you didn't understand what the lady was saying when she was asked that is true so carol was helping me out a lot the second second city. I've had to translate win. Another american was saying eventually just like she'd say look at carl was bad. I did a bad job. It was embarrassing to make fun of her accent accent but she was definitely saying cheddar and onions she would ask you if you want to everything on it you say yes and then she would say chattering onions image was like though go he kept saying birthday boys love to yeah. I embarrassed myself in front of this lady. I felt very stupid. Another thing that was making me laugh all day. The mission was ordering for us. He was like we get some onion rings for the table and chile cheese fries for the table as he was the fuck. Are you talking about for the table. It's not fine dining ben's chili bowl for the table. Thanks for coming on the floor on the table. Okay great the fat guy buffer okay. I don't want to think of meeting all this food for myself so i let her know for the table. I will say she did bring those items that you said for the table. She brought them out i i he did including the ben's famously but carl. What did you like that hot dog. I love the hot dog. Yeah we got. We talk about those chilli cheese. We absolutely yes s. Shits were hidden they were they were very delightful. They were good. They've got a good. I don't know what it is but they're deep fryer because we also got some onion rings. Deep fryer are there is on points. They had well fried fries and well fried onion rings and the fries held up well. Sometimes you get those those chili fries this soggy mess they were you <hes> you know getting a little bit of a little bit of give to them so much like fifteen minutes though i feel like they really still together still holding up. They were fucking delicious. Well one thing i did see was the guy sitting at the jukebox. Jukebox went behind the counter and dipped his head into the oil has got to be the secret. Why didn't you point that. After i wanted to save it for the show i also met a president the move on the chilly. I love chili's. Don't tell me did you have another president story. That was just a bit right. Okay good reaction to try. Sorry not say that over the mike you can say to karl. I wanna try this beer. We got atlas. Atlas atlas was buried. Atlas brewery brought his works in the bottom of the can no peeking in john three sixteen. That's fucked up. Just make america great again yeah. I bet the blood orange goes which was lovely and now i'm having the district common craft lager which i do. Thank you very silent dance dance with death. I'm i'm serious. That's what that's it wow. I'm going to give you a combo. Thank you and fuck. You really doesn't say anything doesn't say anything but the negotiation over the beer side you guys in we all had the trilogy's fries onion rings and wait nangle. You've got some <hes> i got a veggie and here are my thoughts on a hot dog okay so it was very thin it. It was a skinny little hotdog in a big oil regular size controlling me now. I'm just saying short semi hard small and yeah it was it was a tasty hot dog but the ratio this is something i would never fucking cared about fighting get mixed with this crowd the ratio of hot dog ban with not too much fun writing not an issue with the with the with the original yeah but you also get some vegan chilly and mitch you got a bowl of the traditional chili which i taste of both i i like both yours was was piled with sour cream and cheese. You got all the fixings cheese and sour cream sour our cream to it yeah. It's it's really the chili's really get an isolation which is like you know the i mean. That's the whole point. I mean these topping. It uses more of a saas but if you just get a bowl it's gonna be very satisfying vegetarian or vegan chilly rather as well begin megan not elaborate on it yeah it was good <hes> there were like big chunks of it was green peppers and maybe tomato which i really appreciate appreciate it as he did as a favor ver. I don't think i think i'm i'm not sure because it didn't say on the menu but i think the quote meat was say tan which i'm not a fan fan of your haunted over d._c. The combination of d._c. In satanic scared me. We the exorcists exorcists. There's nick we can go see those yeah. Oh well. That's cool. I'll be the only person who georgetown water all right. We'll go we can look that up and so the priest dies falling down them. I could die walking up it is gregory is gregory peck gregory peck. No what am i thinking back swan sido. It was one of them the father who thank you the young young hong that he's like fifty and barely a hawk. That's what the ladies liked in the seventies though for some reason surely noticed that all the men are mad old yes and the girls with like the one thousand nine hundred even in these very different now. Uh canneries is fifty five fifty five. That's all i need to say. What's the fucking hobson shots like the rock. Vanessa kirby have a romance is just like man. What is the age gap there yeah but it is you're right. I remember thinking about this with that as good as it gets where i remember seeing it as a kid and thinking look interesting movie and then all of a sudden. I was like oh wait. She's kissing i do that. I feel triggered by this because i'm married to tammy faye bakker <music>. I'm the annual as i mentioned were great. I love the don't really really good. I dip them in the milton. They're fantastic getting clap for your segue. Oh yeah yeah no yeah no no segue. That's fine on nick. Yeah between those golden rings the chili cheese dogs. This is a sonic haven. Even nick is laughing how he spins. You'd think he'd do for this play for ben's chili bowl all my favorite thing you've ever said on the show and we got some of the this is. This is their copy hands. You come intoxication more. No those weird because you're implying that is a ten year. Old boy was fucking. My pets. I was was strange but we don't know how the snake was. That's true was he clogged up with. You never really told us shit shit yeah. She had snakes yet. Jedi lose fucking house awful. I imagine he was frozen in a straight line. Use them as it came. Did you bury him earning. We did bury him and they made a little cross damian. Check out this case. Ah so the guy the ones what we also got some. I got some sweet tea which i thought that was nice was was very good. Good amount of sweetness overwhelming about the we got the this is their copy hand spunk thick and creamy milkshakes. These are very thick milkshakes as we got one vanilla chocolate. This is the this is what i imagined joe. Biden's brain is lake. The semi solid substance. You can suck through a straw with some effort but they give you like a big thick boba straw which is nice. I use my regular now. You're gonna see me on the news trying to crack his skull. I e pete is pants that he's practice a- and i thought i thought both shakes. Were very very good. Is there in the texture quite a bit and i like the flavor to them to great sweet treat carl's critique. It was good though what was it was it they you like you like milkshakes. That are like mill yeah. I like him very that's fair. That's sticking shake that ass and i. I'm not into that. I'm i'm going to ask into think as milkshake right. I got it was hard to get it through the straps well. It's hard to get through the stri. What were you saying. Did you guys all use the same stall you suck super hard on the scene a water cup to pour it in issue the anywhere like ass on a milk shake and i thought it was great. Ah i what i liked about it was that the vanilla and chocolate and the chocolate just tasted like vanilla with like hershey syrup which to me felt like homemade really liked and i dipped the onion rings into it and it was really good. I seen like nangle uwe walling tester so did admit damis any menu items. You guys got a half an i got an arnold palmer arnold palmer who there it is. I said i got a nick wider elliott. You can't steal well it. I got it was. I thought it was very good. It was a nice drink. No i think oh the potato chips. They give you some potato chips. They're in a bag and they're good ripple. Apple gypsies. I say right is it it is i was putting those chips in my chili and i thought it was a little hat sure my guy lemonade and regular iced tea right. I got limited sweetie not all right which was delicious we he also ordered a burger for the table burger burger. Uh i have had a revelation over the past year so i don't. I'm not a big burger guy. I just realized it was insane. The here yes it was just saying when i thought about it but i like one burger and i don't mean to bring up another restaurant during this but there's a place in los angeles calls burgers never say he died it is it is like a it's a smash burger. That's very thin and he's made like classic style and it tastes like what mcdonald's would taste like before all the chemicals right and still imagine what is like what mcdonald's tasted like in like nineteen sixty okay well. The cows shirley say die and boy. That's true canceled. I i didn't i didn't care for the the burger was fine. I didn't want it. It is a very thin patty. Yes i do like that. It's got all the fixings on it. Plus chile and a good proportion of that chili sauce the creator of the burgers never never say die burger nick a graduate of north quincy high school. He was a red raider. You don't say that again please. It was a fun moment. I had and you've ruined it. Yeah he was was a north quincy high school guy right. Is that not the school you went to school. Okay mascot is problematic. Yes the mascot is probably moving on. I'm so scared what the fuck you're fine. You're just cancelled. It's fine so so yeah. Let the burgers good but i would. I would get the house smoke burger was we. We should've done what you said and gotten the the no chilly on the burger. It would've been interesting gonna try like their default. Burger and chili put chili on everything i. I don't think he's a bad call. I think that's the end of the plays that chile is the name of the restaurants. I think i'm i think at this point we you should just get to our final thoughts on ben's chili bowl so each go around given the assessment of this chain and give it a fork score from survive forks. You guys are all vets. You know how this podcast works christine. Nangle okay so basically kinda. Give like a you wanna go. First ok does anyone. Would anyone like to volunteer to go. I go. I know you always wrap it up. Okay carl. I i wouldn't go for the hell. If you cheered name gang keep keep going with it. They went naming died halfway through in a little weird. They don't boys fans. Their way down with ben's chili bowl probably not great to begin with random again. I'm not very strong. Opinions is on the show as you guys know. I like to hear what you guys think before i for my opinion i gotcha. I think that that's probably very not feminists of me or something but why that's just the way it is about this particular part of my life. What do you think i'll keep this short as possible. I think that too just like nick is a bit of a heat seeker. I'm a bit of a history secret. <hes> i love reading about places and stuff and when i stumbled on this i had heard about it. You see it on on you old guy fieri shows and stuff like that and i i really enjoy going to the place the ambiance the atmosphere fear of it mitch and stayed up late last night watching these documentaries on p._b._s. was called washington in the seventies and it was called washington in the eighties. I watched washington ninety after mentioned. All of his movies seventy little was boring. It was just a made for tv tv wilma rudolph story but i i really enjoyed the ambiance of the atmosphere that pictures on the wall all that type of stuff you walk in you got the guy sitting at the jukebox was which to me added extra to the fact that he just sat there the whole time playing really good music and and green looks like he stepped out of the painting in the wall he he literally look. I agree with you one hundred percent. Have you guys ever seen the t._v. Show good times painting. That's like the ernie barnes painting. That is the beginning of the show. He definitely looks like he was in like he looked like an old tail like i was like this is great. I gotta talk to this dude. I read about the place you read about what happening. During the sixty eight rise read about <hes> you you one line in that documentary from d._c. In the eighties last night was you went down to thirteenth you. In one thousand nine hundred five. He was buying crack so to be on that block and see like the not to change because that is controversial but just to know what that block has gone through as far as ka surprise. We're going to a cracker wack so yeah. I i really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the food that i eight the chili cheese fries fucking on point my put some texas beat hot sauce on them for the whole ambience of it see they painted over bill cosby's face which we can talk about after they just painted over him with that painting that that person did in eh church jesus yet. Oh yeah i'm gonna take place five forks. Aw do you wanna go. You want me to go go all right. I'm oh okay so you're heat seeker. I'm history. I'm a history secret right. I was just like okay. We're gonna happen and <hes> no. I there was tough for me. I really liked the the chilly it was it was spicy in a good way like chips like like the ambiance. The hotdog really didn't do it for me. I don't know if they should tailor their funds to their their veggie hotdogs but the dog was very very thin like mitch's dick and i kind of i was thinking like if i was like first of all i will say and i don't we feel bad and i don't think you will because capable of it but i will say i've felt so uncomfortable because i also bad for for nick but i and i was just like trying trying to be like okay the dad happy and but if i was like drunk and like real super hungry this would have been like the best place. I've i've ever been to so. I'm gonna give it we if okay so if i give a four and a half stars and you guys give it five stars is golden play club sports forks porks. Yes i'm gonna give it four and a half stars. The go ahead mitch. I would also say nick. It was your birthday recently great and now we know we can't happy birthday to the podcast the rights to the song public domain do don't don't don't don't show is yet they go. They like now that you don't have the rights to you. Don't know me nick yeah. I love beds chili bowl. Wow i loved it. It was amazing. Would that strange guy by. The jukebox wasn't strain. Sorry not strange though he was trains. He ruled the chili fries. Look i've said this before. I'm i'm not a big time. Chili fries guy nick and i those were maybe my favorite chili fries. I've had an over a decade. They were so good <hes> <hes> nick. I pledge allegiance to the bowl of the ben uh-huh. I didn't think of this sorry. Oh say. Can you see the ball of the audience came through. I told you that delightful crowd screw group. Find their i'm giving fifty stars five point zero stars five both representing the fifty states five forks. I love it great nick finalist doc. Can i tell the audience something okay so there's a place that everybody wants to eat at when they come to los angeles called pinks hotdogs. If you've been there you beat netted <hes> she clapped. I'm gonna disagree with that. Clamp thank you. I've one time is not good. She maybe also see maybe clap for barney's beanery scenery you are you from l._a. Okay why were you clapping for barney's beanery scrappy thing i clap you know we know when people when y'all come to los angeles. Wasn't you eat at pinks. Hotdogs and it's not as good as bins. Don't you don't have to say it because i'm warning you right now. Don't add to the the l._a. Slander just be like god told us that there wasn't as good so this ping ping survived the dc riots it did ah unscathed so just go eat there. Take your picture and be like yeah ooh. I'm a lifelong southern california and i and i do honestly believe pinks his fucking wack i would i would say maybe pink should be renamed stakes because what pay should be renamed stakes. Wow how do you think they will. I i mean i would change dot org petition that i'm gonna ask you guys to sign before you leave the no it was it's better versions of that avert the fucking chilly place that slathers it over burgers and hotdogs and fries beverages even original tommy's which is a chain which which has many more locations than than benz does is a much better version than pink speaks is pretty bad but it's a gimmick there for to just basically look at celebrity pictures on the wall. I took him to say that i love benz benzes fucking great. It was delicious. I love this style of chili. This is something that that my lovely wife nellie would would care chris chris. She loves chili fries. She loves them so much and she would affectionately call this diarrhea chilly. That sounds like pejorative but that's kind of the texture of it. It's kind of how it looks and it's it's fucking delicious. It makes makes me maybe wanna try. Liquid shit just to see how maybe it's great know. It's fucking. That's a really really never tried that. The chili fries were fucking awesome. The chili <hes> <hes> spicy julie how smoke was great. That was a home run however i'm not gonna give this place five forks for you. See it as a chilly place. I'm going to give five spoons. Welcome to the golden play club. Hell ben's chili bowl institution. I i was tired trumpcare. Stop it. I when you could tell that you ramp up to five yes and i was like oh whoops whoops that i do the wrong thing. Let me have my opinion of foreign by the men around me and but then i was reminded of the beautiful injury did and how ben never had his own hotdogs because of his fate and it only made me more secure in my four and a half you would think that they would put more effort into their veggie hotdog. If if there's a lot of people that are can't partake of their have smoke very right. That's braces have the right opinion like so yeah anyway. That's been chili bowl. It's time for a segment mystery beverage. Wow and our panel must have been what it is. The wider challenge you song is going to bring out the challenge is walking way up there aw scare the shit out of jesus christ god. They like you song so much more than they like me. Do they do use long. Does something very funny to after we came home from ben's chili bowl he was like oh. I'm feeling so bad from this ben's chili bowl. Are you guys. How do you feel about the show. I in both like talkative built for this. You told them your. I eat trash c._k._c. Jeb a clear plastic cup with liquid in front of you. I have it as well but i do know what this is. Go ahead and tell us know what you are seeing and sensing. It looks very colour looking drink. It looks like a cola. They go ahead and taste it. It tastes weird. It tastes like a cola left. It tastes like a diet cola cola for sure taste the aspirin it has a very very very very strong aspartame after taste which is great name for like a punk band <hes> presidential cola or something. Did you get like trump colour for god's sakes. There are no lifelines weicker challenge us your senses this right off the bat. Don't like it don't like get i don't know. I don't think it's that good i want to say can i guess go ahead please. I want to say this just this. I'm sure i'm wrong by diet. Pepsi s. carlos guests diet pepsi. Go ahead and angle. Here's what i think. I think everybody's dancing around. This fact which is that is probably what he said which is like presidential because because we're in d._c. And presidential on point so presidential coal is your guests. That was my guess wasn't it. Yes it's my guest angles gaffe breath presidential cola. Go ahead mitch. I i liked presidential cola. You're both saying presidential. Coal is present your colo real. I don't wanna get so jealous on one thing. That's not real real congressional cola in my pepsi stand for presidential enough people see it the diet diet. It's a diet cola. I have no idea what i don't know. <hes> is our our c. r. c. because it's close to d._c. R._c. diet ice r._c. Cola ted cruz aw i am torn on who do award the victory to hear. You're right mitch. The initials are a clue for you. See we are in washington d._c. He has given you regular old diet coke and i said i don't like it. I i think your reasoning is sound but i think diet. Pepsi is a closer guess so i am going to say tomorrow tart talent. You know what i was about to say. It was like straight us. Remember when diet coke caffeine free came in the goal. Can that's what i was about to say. This was a diet coke because number one without oh caffeine. My middle school teacher used to drink all the time. I'll be tapped. She making this shit look good. I don't go by you sung said he had to go out and and get this couldn't he have just gotten a year at the oh yeah. He probably could have done that. I didn't think about that. We sometimes some of these establishments pepsi apso who knows you song was caught in gang crossfire i also why did you turn into the riddler when you started to give these clues. What do you mean d._c. Is spot on that was a part of the clue you see i just like i didn't like the area you you want into fine. I'll take the note. I'll make a different character. No it's fine. No don't you fucking baby the why so so backwards avi bag the show's over and hey so we've got some questions. He's no one not doing this. You're this is why i was not holding up the white tower symbols were. How are you gotta tell they look at me. Nick is a a bit of a hate seeker <music>. Take us wait. How do we do. Have you sung. You're gonna let us know which questioners where we're going to yes. How does it means. I have a mike mike. Yes we go forward. Emma emma's going to walk over to whoever has a query for emma the first one i have is michael theses michael where so yet did i say that michael's girlfriend center seeker apparently all the way up front. Oh god god. How do i get there. It's impossible here. I'll give you my mic. Go ahead michael. Oh thank you. I was crying under deadline the ten minute deadline there but it was was what historical president would you want to have a fast food dinner with. Where'd you take him or her november over torture for me question i mean my mind goes to taft because he was a famously hefty man. Dan who taps give taft would be. I mean you know i think he has a big appetite but i think the president that eight the bathtub so i don't know the anecdote. I don't think he ate a bathtub. I'm pretty sure he ate a battle. Might uh eight seven hundred several hundred pounds of porcelain. It's possible no. I think the i my mind goes to tap it is also like who would you like to share a meal with ed yeah which is another thing and that might make me say f._d._r. I'd like to talk to pick f._d._r.'s brain for a little bit it. How did you get that new deal going on his phone looking president. Are you george washington interesting luke. I'll tell you my answer. Yes the orange buffoon. I take him to a sherman williams so we can eat paint. How's that clock. I get in trouble bruce. Probably it's real bleak threat in the life of the current chief executive yeah they probably did you get any answers thoughts on which president president you like to go to a fast food binge. I'd like to take jimmy carter to the waffle house. Oh that would be good answer god. That's fucking grayson carter. It feels like a grandpa and he feels like he would afterward we. After we ate waffle house he'd be like don't tell your mother. We're going to get some ice excrete. The waffle house's bill by volunteers. That's a jimmy carter joke about habitat for humanity like it. I enjoyed it okay. My mind goes to taft also but that's what i'm masturbating i would i i would definitely want to hang out with brock. Obama era. We go back to obvious we have rocket basketball wall on sundays pander enough to the grass at trump paint for god's sakes thought it would get a bigger pop you did well did vied biggest populace still does you song walking onstage fired and to be clear. I was googling sherman williams to make sure it was a paint store. Wide sherman williams the president president williamson the president serves right next closer next question from we got beth wang high best in mind gang wang wang sorry wrong hi. I'm wondering if you guys my friends a new friends and i play this game called rank carbs. I'm wondering if you'll rank pasta rice potato fred and put them in order are free to walk too hard data brett how long until they close place up race potato. Oh bread pasta. That's my answering. She's i let you like the best bread pasta. I must go opposite of blogger pasta bread potato rice like mac o._s. Hanging there just the rainbow wheel spinning out. I said listen the reverse so this is like like that movie like. Is it like wind talkers or something. That's really spoke yeah. That's how they communicated in code was based. I guess get your carb rankings. I'm going first brit. I'm not eating a peanut eh jelly without fucking tortellini going pasta and then i'm gonna potato and then i'm gonna rice. Rice has the fewest uses to mitch interesting. I i wanna. I wanna change to carlton but it was fun to do the opposite yours. Please don't believe me that i do things. You need to know about christine angle one. I'm mostly irish to love oprah. Somebody go potato uh-huh potato potato bread. Let's give time for one more question sharon's murphy oh teheran's over here well. We got a whole table of people wearing lettuce insular shirts. This is not a product we sell l. You guys on your own. Wow that's sad. Is that toys related pixel art. Don't forget forget what crew john on the back very well done all right terrance. What's your what's your question. What's the best fast food restaurant for a good first day in a bad first date. <hes> i mean i'm interested in why you'd wanna have a bad first day interesting move to say yourself up for failure. I still right that that diet coke is still mass. I really think probably the worst is a place with a bad dinan atmosphere the end food that will also like hurt your stomach so i would say probably like a a pizza hut side of a combination pizza hut taco bell. I think that would be the first day as far as success goes <hes>. That's a good question. I think you have to have my answer is and this is a little bit of a cop out but it's whatever ever your beloved local places you're in seattle. It's dick's if you're in southern california in and out burger if you're out here in d._c. Maybe it's ben's. Chili bullets a place. That's like a beloved it local institution with some sort of history to it so it actually feels like a date. It feels like an occasion yeah yeah. Exactly you see these pictures of bill cosby up here the oh my god i met this guy also things bill cosby's matt. I'm gonna wendy's best. Ooh that's good because this is a big menu. I've never had to like really shit for real will be like damn and you're making me realize that i want the wendy's i go to in long beach. I went in. I went in there and hanging over the side of the trash. Trash can was a used condom is the best he wants. A good spot freaky at the wendy's bucket. Yeah you gotta drink. Okay got jesus <music> which jesus i i would say. I would say i got my best. We'll be like a baskin robbins. Post dates treats that's fine. Four lettuce rabbits been solicitous d._c. d._c. The president's home here mr trump you could use this comb. The lettuce wrap lettuce route christine a thank. You sound a little break time. I really happy thanks the era and <hes> <music> on the next. Oh boys doubled the doe. Boys are in our nation's capital. We review local pizza comet ping pong and find out if pizza pizza gate is real spoiler alert. It is get the w. double every tuesday. Only at paycheck dot com slash dole boys all sources for this week's intro include ben ali bitchy airy by matt shoot l. ben's chili and hot dogs have time-tested appeal by mar or he's restaurant essentials d._c. Half half smoke hotdogs from it and the ben's chili bowl website a fullest sources are available in the show notes. That was a hate gum podcast.