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Raiders saga, Rookie QBs, LeBron/Lakers, Brady's future, Dak Prescott

Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock

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Raiders saga, Rookie QBs, LeBron/Lakers, Brady's future, Dak Prescott

"Hey yeah jimmy here. When you speak for yourself. You're forced to think for yourself and when you think for yourself the sports world looks in order to enjoy this podcast and this show you need to have the courage to look at the world from alternative points of view and not be offended when you disagree speak for yourself. Isn't your twitter facebook or instagram feed s._f. Y tells you what you need to hear and not what you want so welcome aboard buckle. Look we start today with antonio brown. Antonio brown is crazy about jon. Gruden and mike may up this this oakland raiders antonio brown frostbitten feet helmet saga is dom dumber and dumbest random however you want but here's my order may up the raiders. General manager is plain ordinary dumb. He epitomizes the peter principle. He's been promoted to his level of incompetence happens to all of us. We're all just one enjoy promotional way from being in over our heads. When the saga concludes may i can return to being a solid football broadcaster brown raiders frostbitten bitten helmet. Phobic receiver is dumber. A six round pick out of central michigan. Brown has made more money than he could of ever rightfully imagined. I don't blame him for being delusional. He wasn't prepared for wealth fame or emotional. Maturity like a lot of modern athletes hooked on social media a._b. Is a narcissistic assist self worshiper. Who has his own mega church on instagram. Dumbest is jon gruden he so full of himself. He hired a general manager whose career in the n._f._l. Consisted of a cup of coffee with the steelers and the giants as a player in the early one thousand nine hundred eighty s and is a t._v. Broadcaster slab draft analyst the the previous fifteen years. Some people think gruden only hired me off because mel kiper todd mcshay and colin cowherd all said no gruden is so full of himself he ignored all the public information available on antonio brown training for him and handed him a we work contract in march joining national interview with e._s._p._n.'s jeff darlington brown made it clear he would be good with retirement last september. E._s._p._n.'s jesse washington wrote a long story detailing brown's addiction to instagram and off the field drama brown publicly threatened violence against washington for writing the story but the biggest red flag <hes> gruden ignored was the steelers willingness to trade the n._f._l.'s most productive receiver for a third round pick the modern day jerry rice for three come on man when a five year old s class mercedes is on the market for the same price is a five year old priest. You better check the car fat you better. There's something wrong with the motor and tyres grew looks worse than a. B. rudeness the guy with one hundred million dollar contract who sounds every bit as delusional as a be. I don't know <hes> what anybody's writing or what anybody thinks but this foot injury wasn't his fault. You know this was a total accident as it was really wasn't his fault and it's an the serious injury. I know some people are smart at it but it's really not a laughing matter. The guy is is was hurt. He's innocent. He didn't do anything wrong. Gruden sounds like a._c. Cowan's the day police put cuffs on o._j. In brentwood and later gruden promise not to rest until he found the real a._b. And we hope antonio is back here soon because he's exciting to be around. I'm excited. I got some place form. I hope we can start calling him a lot of confidence that he's one of the premier competitors. Here's i've ever been around and i gotta feeling he would play with no helmet is how much he loves to play gruny's to stop. He traded away khalil mack and amari cooper and traded for a guy who doesn't hasn't really wanna play football. Brune is the dumbest person in the raiders saga and that's saying a whole lot are joining the desk. Now are two former n._f._l. Head coaches eric mangini and making in his first week for yourself f s one appears jeff fisher marcellus. I'll start with you who loves worse here in the a._b._c. browner group. I don't think either one looks bad. I'm going to be real. I think the news is splash holy cow. We stop the press. No one looks like no no. I mean we'll look where the rubber meets. The road in terms of what i consider bad is in production so all of this is just noise all this smoke. I'm looking at this situation as preseason and we're talking about a._b. Who's missing training camp other than to practices and he has has his reasoning and then we're looking jon gruden who has a ten year contract which is longer than six of the ten most active coaches in terms of their tenure right now that means his contract on-track terms are longer than most gaza even going to be allowed to coach. Even if you win a super bowl you can ask you care about when even been there for ten years and seattle so i'd stay right now. There's a noise level that is higher than ever but it goes both ways. It's the same classic hits that the media always plays into preseason. There's two ways it goes is something good happens. <hes> it doesn't matter just a preseason detroit live before no the same year they went sixteen. Remember that okay so all this is great. Go undefeated and then the flip happens. If something bad goes on into preseason we blow it so out of proportion f. forget that this has to meet reality and right now. They're not in that place so i don't think either one looks bad. If you're forced to head say who has the most approve its antonio on your brand because he doesn't have the same guarantees securities as a group well. He has a lot of guarantees and to me. This is antonio brown and to criticize the akkar or john for trading for antonio brown for a third round draft pick to me. That's a pretty small barrier for a guy who's had thirty billion a new money but he's also had six one hundred heard yard receiving years in a row yet led the league in receptions with fifteen sounds <hes> last year so the production and and trying to defend against them over over the course of time. He's a really special place so to get him at that rate. That was a pretty unique opportunity and john has dealt with guys that have had character issues in the past and he's done done a good job with it so i i understand why he would he would look at that that risk reward and suitable. I mean odell. Beckham goes for already million odell. Beckham goes for a number one draft graphic. I mean that's a much higher price for guy who isn't as productive as antonio brown in terms of of the injury to his feet. I don't understand how that could be accident. I'm i'm just have to take john's word on that to me. I don't understand that aspect of it and the helmet issue look that that's not going to get resolved in any way besides the league is gonna have you wear one of the helmets they you're supposed to wear so the quicker antonio hey broncos that realization the better but john really has no alternative but to support him in this because ideally you. You've got to get them to sunday. I'll agree with coach loved your opening monologue on the but i- little rock right rough anything to do with it. Go screw so you know. It's way too early. It's just way too early. I mean you got two issues them it. We would be concerned if you got one thing with the foot going on now. You got the helmet thing who who knows maybe the helm of things kind of a buy yourself some time tell the foot gets better so they can get on the practice field but the bottom line is is seventy four touchdowns eleven thousand yards and he's a good player so let's let this thing play itself out there getting to know each other a little a bit. I'm confident that the coach gruden hasn't had his official training camp meeting where they go through the roots of what you do and don't do as far as phones phones and meeting rooms and tweet here tweeting there. You know they'll get all that stuff straight but i think we're we're jumping out way way to guys as long coaching tenures in the n._f._l. One guy played in the n._f._l. For ten years i'm sitting here blown away because when i think i'm hearing from you all like man if you you knew what kind of crazy stuff that goes on in the n._f._l. This doesn't really shock you. All know desensitize over here also also. Is that what i'm hearing. We left ourselves two hours a day for stuff. That came up. You didn't anticipate but again well. Let's just say that asked this question if they don't do the cleal mac trade or they don't trade the receiver to dial us and they're both on the roster granted they may not have fantoni oh brown but if both those guys on the rosser worthy or they're big issues you know look i take it like this coach reason. I sounded sensitize ties. Maybe to someone who's outside his locker room. Is you could go back to when the patriots and their demise was predicted. What was this in two thousand seventeen into the playoffs. Oh oh is crumbling and foxborough and everyone ran with that. They've been two super bowls in one one since and i. I'm just trying to tell you what about the raiders look. I don't give a damn who you talk about. The raiders have history of winning this not of recent history but let me tell you what a._b. Standing on a._b._c.'s standing on one there's actually salihi a real objective reason why he's he's objecting to this new helmet. There's a vision bar that a lot of receivers complain about you. Gotta get used to it a._b. We'll get used used to it. I think abe camps sooner than later but the other part is the n._f._l. An a._b._c. is calling bs on n._f._l. I'm glad he is because the n._f._l. Has now come up with with the new standard of testing which is recent because of the lawsuit settlement in two thousand sixteen. There's a five year relationship between the union and phil blah blah blah ah boring but here's the thing the n._f._l. These players transitional year you know what i gave him a transitional year. We want to ease you into these new helmets. Are you kidding me n._f._l. N._f._l. One year wants to go out there and play with a helmet that a sub-standard and if we get brain damage in that one year it's okay it if not oh we have to switch helmets you know worth seventeen hundred players one guy refusing to wear the new one guy is refusing it because he has the stones one guy not the only one objecting to it but he won't go. He's the only one going to this measure. What about that transitional year. What about the fact that his helmet has been proven not to be sub-standard by the new procedures for seizures except we're not going to go back that far to test these helmets. Won't you just to protect yourself. Lawsuits not based on the integrity of the game or how this guy in performance. I think i'm more in line with jeffey in the sense that the helmet feels a little bit of something to buy time to get away from the feet and get away from all the other stuff as opposed to look. Maybe maybe his his motivations are pure and are that principled that he wants to take can stand here but it just feels a little bit more like if he's dealing with the helmet issue and fighting that at least everybody's not talking about the other thing which is the feet that he really has no control over until it gets healed and i tend to agree with you all. I know these two guys well jeff. I'm assuming you have kids. This sounds like a kid with the most smokescreen he's created. He got busted smoking pot and he's now deflecting to something else so he doesn't have to answer those questions and he's got gruden. I oh it's a total accident a._b._c. Did something stupid he's burn up his feet and jeopardize the season and jon bruno out here having to explain and rationalize this. He can't even install the office we just give a guide this month's new money and and he's this kind of productive player. Your whole offense is built around founded and he's too immature to handle this helmet thing his whole his own health. I was talking with someone that knows that play for jon gruden and nosing well. Oh and john gruden's offense is built on a receiver going over the middle on third and four and five and this person who knows uh-huh gruden. Well knows the offense wells like i don't know of a._b. Wants to be the guy going over the middle on third and five because john gruden's offense is built for aware that there's a premier receiver third and four. We're coming to you over the middle. You're going to take that hit a._b. Wants to live that life but i think as long as a._b._c.'s a._b._c.'s on the field. There's going to be two people dealing with him. So some other receiver can go. You know if that's really the principle that pretty to he he is such a problem from from a from a defensive standpoint that you have to gain platform every down that that is on appeal then that opens up things for other guys so even if he's not as productive as he should be because of his feet early in the season his presence alone will push coverage to him in ways that other guys can't can't get done if you think a._b. Doesn't want the ball on third now. Now you're crazy and if they got an offense that requires him to go over the middle to get it and he has a problem with thirty thirty one years old wouldn't shock me so would you was your defense. Call over cover to tell you what to do right okay. It's been said that john gruden's. I play the regular regular season has more words on it than your whole script does in his offense so there's a reason he wants him there. You're in in in running and doing things heartland and going through the stuff because it's not it's not an easy offense. It's not a player friendly offense. It's a phenomenal offense. He does a great job with it but you understand why he wants wants to receiver there with the quarterback and wants to go and then you take you look at that set foot thing and it was an accident. It wasn't his fault okay well. Let's see telling us there well. The guy didn't go off on the fourth of july and blow three of his finger off because he was playing with fireworks. After he was told not to okay he went over to try to take care his body and somebody did something wrong and he can't practice so i just think it's way too soon to be spending this much time on. All this and things are going to settle and if a._b. If decides to retire then then credit for your opening monologue already know you all answer to this but i'm going to ask the question anyway too soon for the raiders to be thinking of an exit strategy here absolutely the the the grand racer is in a._b._c. hands in terms of his catches. What is the production once. He hits the phil once. They showed that chemistry once they get in sync this is this is not even noise. This is forgotten. It doesn't need you. Don't even have the residue of this moment if they hit the regular season and do something. If this team makes the playoffs it's by right now for the waiters shows shows up in his justice productive he's a._b. But a coach is trying to establish culture and your guy just paid who's going to be the centerpiece of your offense offense to me has disrupted the culture all instantly as far as we think. We don't know what's going on in his building. We don't know whether whether he's sitting there and talking to his team and talk with a._b. Present talking about what their what their philosophy is going to be and how they're going to handle this. We don't know what's going on behind those closed doors so experienced just enough to know how to handle these things and it's one of these things with a player who who is challenging. You'll deal with that the six days out of the week to get him to that seventh if he's productive on that seven day and and even the other players as much as they may resent it and not like it they they also know that if we can get them to sunday then they're going to be really happy that his partner look. That's not necessarily what i inherently believe in but there's a lot of guys that do you believe that there's a lotta guys at handle those personalities really well and there's a lot of guys that have benefited substantially and teams that have benefited some successfully from having players like that so now the going through some growing pains getting to know each other. They're trying to figure out how to operate in a totally different environment for a b. and obviously john with a b but if they can get them to sunday. I think everybody's gonna be happy all right. He helped me and the viewers out then are there three guys on every teen just just like a b. two guys how just like a._b. Hail birds production in terms of owais ordinarily be ish yeah. Absolutely li like there's this balancing act is always between personality and production. If your production is way up there then we're going to have to deal with whatever comes with that personnel <music> now. Sometimes you get it in a beautiful form where you get a highly productive player who causes no problems julio. Julio jones tom brady. You get a lot the guy who just buying in but if you're a b. These guys have learned from the grace of yesterday if you look at the top n._f._l. Players ever just think about how it indeed and taylor lawrence taylor berry centers walked away from the game even had to write a check to say. I'm leaving the game you look at a joe montana. The house he built built could even lay in a master bedroom trade them away. Tom brady the king of suppression. Gotta just keep giving money back to team building and he doesn't see necessarily all the results of that except another super bowl how did because of me this gaza learning like. You know what don't just sit on things like express yourself and aby to me is expressing himself his way and he's doing it best on the field. You can caught up in this. This dude is hall of fame bound without doubt. Here's the other thing to look for. Any of his teammates said anything go on the record regarding only pittsburgh lime and do that okay bill. Partly no writer not anymore. Well maybe watch it and see what happens is. This commonplace is this is i just did we miss this yet. Each locker room has personalities like this. Maybe not as strong as head coach has a different philosophy and how many guys they'll oh have like that. I usually try to set your locker room up. We got enough strong. Positive personalities said it'd be bringing some guys challenging they offset and that can the dynamics stays balanced. We don't want to do is go too far one way or the other. We've got all boys. That's a problem and if you go the other way. That's a problem as well. It's a balancing act for coaching joined once again by eric mangini time now for a big story. Let's move to arizona ed murray made his much anticipated debut this weekend and looked every bit the number one pick showing great accuracy and athleticism while completing six or seven passive for forty before yours in his only drive of the game but he wasn't the only rookie quarterback to impress much-maligned giants first runner. Daniel jones was pretty much perfect and his debut going in five for five for sixty seven yards and a touchdown. Both guys look good one guy six foot six six foot five and can move <hes> i i think he's got more upside than the little guy no disrespect to the little guy but i always go that route all right who has more upside here between murray and jones. I say as jones but not for that reason i i'm a fan of both of their skill set. I remember when daniel jones was getting booed and i was sitting up here defending him through in mister booze but also because of his skill set so big guy that can move big. I woulda arm big guy who can really go through the progressions as advertised but didn't have a great cook college career and didn't have a lot to stand on so people thought that they reached a colin murray is going to do his thing. I mean his ability with his arm. You saw zip on that ball against the chargers on top of the fact that his running is just going to prolong the passing game in terms of opportunities guys getting open and and going outside of conventional passing routes and options there will be great but what happens is with the upside they both hit the ground running daniel jones lands in a completely different place because we're is he coming from whoa such a surprise such a shock from the boos to cheers and i think our reception will be different therefore i'm saying dale jones just because of the way he was introduced to delete. It's so funny how a one preseason drive changes the narrative dr one preseason drive changes changes everything and you can just feel it in new york ally goes in and they're upset and then they have a move the pocket play any look slow on the move the pocket play and the drawn third down there all bullying and our daniel jones comes in and there's skepticism you complete surpassed start to cheer by the time they score the touchdown. He's anointed as the you know the savior yeah yeah and and if that progression all took place in the span of what ten plays and that's great and and and he has a ton of positive traits traits and i think he fits that system really well this west coast system which is based on spacing and timing and making the proper reads. It's a really good fit form. His size is obviously ah you look for with tyler murray though i really lake something about him. They don't see a lot of young quarterbacks who have the skill set that he has. He has great poison the pocket for someone who is as good as he is escaping a pocket. There's so many guys that go to that tool quickly too quickly because it's the answer they've always gone to where i thought in college and he saw even to some degree in that first drive. There's a patient's nations. There's a poison the pocket they don't typically see which to me gives him a great edge to develop that second pitch that we're always looking or looking for from a from a lot of other guys so i i like that aspect most and i'm really glad he can escape in the pocket because they're going to struggle on the offensive line arizona arizona early i the other reason again i i have a height bias i i've been saying i was skeptical russell wilson for a long time. I don't like quarterbacks under six free. Talk having said that the other reason why i think <hes> jones is in a better spot. I'm not sold on cliff kingsbury. I i don't see a guy that didn't working college coming to the n._f._l. And taking on the n._f._l. With some new giving offense that he wants to bring it from i just don't see it working over for the long haul might get off to a nice little hot start for a season a half a season come year too. I think clip kingsbury is gonna get exposed lows and i think that's going to hurt customer. I mean i can't put the guesswork to that. <hes> is interested in big twelve players and now big who of coaches are making some hey in the n._f._l. As n._f._l. Becomes more of a passing league and more of a collegiate mindset of just getting the ball out there to all your options so maybe this is the perfect timing yesteryear. Obviously it was probably too soon. You didn't have the full embrace it the n._f._l. In this concepts assets but now he might hit at the right time so with the right player like he hits and then the player he's always coveted is available. I think this may maybe america marriage in heaven and sometimes that's that's the most important thing is who who you get married to and who you know this was obviously an arranged marriage but it looks like the arranged marriage that could work out well for both of them and i bring this up. You know we've talked about this bunch of times with bill belichick. He had one winning season as a head coach route in six years before he had tom brady nick sabin came to pro football came back appropriate wall as a head coach and it didn't work out because he didn't really have a quarterback so if if this system and this player and this coach if they work together which it looks like they have the potential to based on their shared had vision of an offense that gives them a real chance for for some longevity dardanelles ticket elsie was pop it in the social media lane. We miss it either. Yes sir so giants fans online. Those that allow wasn't too happy about dan lewis jones opening touchdown drive giants former kicker lawrence ties had a good reason why tweeting hanging out giants brass last coach's start down jones if the john doe five and eleven six c. n. e. starting they'll get fired. They go five and eleven or six at saint with jones. Take another year thoughts. No matter what twenty twenty jones will be the starter so god. You expect to start week one day. Johns johns plays one more preseason game. It looks anything like this one meal. No one more preseason game. That looks like the first one knee lies done. You go with the rookie quarterback quarterback. Eli started. We don't give a damn what does does he can. Precede records and eli could throw more interceptions vinnie quarterback in franchise history. It doesn't matter this is why you need it to count not just matter but count in these affect a real win loss column one and here's the see-saw again we need to see dale jones build up all his equity in hype and anticipation and imagination as all backup quarterbacks do they're so popular because of that and then you need ally in reality to just lay flat down and you just like now. We have the balance we need. We got somebody by we could bet on. We don't know what's going to happen and we got somebody. We just can't count on any more and eli did it to himself. Be careful because time is everything we eli your bitch to own. New york's. Go have a response and danny jones has ten plays in the first preseason game with his no game planning on either side. I think he was playing against the second so it's a little bit early l. e. even if he has a great preseason. It's still so radically different than than anything. The regular season presents allies is going to be the starter early. You know i it's more question at what at point does he get pulled as opposed to whether or not he starts the season prove you're better off playing quarterback early and often they have stats approve anything you wanted and we can all pull stats. I've missed you eric. Mangini and jeff fisher back turn to antonio brown who's young tenure with the raiders has gone even more strangely than most people expected as a._b._c.'s already burned his his feet and cryotherapy machine and threatened to retire because the league won't let him wear his old helmet. A controversy appeared to address this weekend and a cryptic instagram posts writing quote. I love the game. I love the hustle younger got though he leaves the glee but if i leave the fans still love me man has paid in full. We're gonna voice again trying to do my best before we go there. How about those feet how rude i couldn't. I can't use along with a blister. I got a narrative that social media has hijacked the brains of modern athletes and celebrities and a._b._a. Maybe is dealing with the repercussions of that and i am. I wrong you know in my household your own mind you're wrong. I'm not into blaming the medium. I'm into blaming the users abuse of that medium throughout our lives. We've heard so many things that could just be so damning damaged microwaves remember. I mike away where you like. Don't stand around. Don't even put died. Okay i could go for everything my six month old right now have the fascination with the son like she loves looking at the sun. You know what maybe that's not going. That's gonna work. You're not gonna win that one. You know i don't blame what's established. I blame how you use news. What is established. I saw j._j. Watt rate forty million dollars in disaster relief office social media. I've seen countless times where guys n._f._l. Players for for charity. I'll go out for a charity of go to high school. Speak to the keys one camera if that two cameras let let those guys get a little dust up with the law d._u._i. Whatever all of a sudden here it is our attention is negative based in the society and we give a lotta substance and credence to these types of stories instead of the positive ones but i'm not blaming social media. I think that social media gives the the athletes of voice and and gives them a chance to be seen and heard and presented in whatever way they want to be but it's just like anything else navigating through that in a responsible way navigating through that in a positive way in the easiest thing in the world and especially to to do that and control your emotions because you instantly have that voice and that ability to put that voice out there when maybe you should take a step back. Take a breath and think about what you want to okay so it's it's it's a great vehicle if used properly but we're all getting used to how to use and as a parent of three young boys who we're dealing with social media and trying to work it out it's hard. It's hard to know what's right. What's wrong how much to be involved how much not to be involved. I i think there are elements where it can be a really positive thing and then you can get bullying this. I don't i don't know and marceau's point. We're all figuring figuring this out but if used properly it can be an amazing asset. That's the key is how you use it. Those kind of comments have been around forever that comment will maybe maybe i had enough. That's been said fifteen twenty years ago in an article in an interview you but there was a follow up question do mean that you just might consider retiring after this. There was always a follow up question. There's no your phone doesn't ask you a follow up question so what you send out. There is is reality and so but i totally agree. Let's use. I use it as a tool. Let's help people with let's share our experiences but it shouldn't be a me thing. It should not be all about me or the user and that's what i think we're seeing too much too much attention here and that's where that's where i think we need to draw the line as an organization as a football team. You're going to have to have a policy. You're going to have to have people come in. You're going to have to have trainers and people speaking and set just like like we did years ago. When you had a media relations meeting before training camp to talk about how to talk to and deal with the media you're going to have to have days upon days of for social media training. Just you two guys having been coaches and jeff. Obviously you more recently than eric but you don't see eh. It just says a distraction for the players and just as the thing that bothers me. It's a stage and when you're onstage performing coming you're not authentic and so i think it bates people into well. Let me go to training camp in a hot air balloon. Oh let me i've got had a serious injury. The organizations giving me thirty million dollars in new money. I'm opposed to picture me smile and my burn up feet like this is all a big joke to me. Everything's a stage in authentic. That's why i think the people like a. B. and some other athletes it. It causes houses that inauthentic performance that ends up making them like fools rather than mature adult agree but it's not across the board. It's not one hundred percent. It's a select few okay and the same select few that were making the the off the record comments <hes> <hes> way back when it's the same few so <hes>. I think hopefully he'll learn from this. Someone's gotta get get hold on this. If this is the end dan you don't wanna go out that way and with a lot of social media what i tried to explain the boys. That's like a tattoo like it's not going away. You put it out out there. It's like it's it's. It's the equivalent of a tattooed. You know you may try to explain to weigh your opinions will probably change about it over time but but it just doesn't it doesn't go away so you really gotta think about what you're putting out there but when you're fifteen when you're nineteen twenty-three when you're thirty thirty all those different periods in life you changed dramatically but that tool is still there and and and his parents are as coaches or as organizations you try to help people make the right a decision but if used properly no one can say i was misquoted right. You have the you have the chance. If you feel that someone had said the wrong thing about you. You you have the chance to go. Put your story out there in the first person unedited and and not not a good thing but i don't know sometimes it's not a good thing but at least you you have the right to do it. Here's what i think as parents and then as coaches the other thing about social media. I think it makes it harder to communicate with repeat with younger people and so- athletes have more power than they've ever had in their life and they're harder to communicate with because because i think a lot of the communication on social media is more important than the people that have actually invested in them and are trying to you cultivate them and move them along a coach general manager ownership team me. They're more worried about what people are saying over for social media than their own parents their wives. Whatever that's where my i don't feel that i think this is a part of the evolution where there was a they were the only source of information a lot of times. These athletes got was through their coaches through their program through their organization and everyone everyone else can have their perception of them and there was a day where the guy next door to gal next door you never knew what they thought about you and usually walk around high esteem because you were the man on campus and then sports media covers changed at journalists like yourself and you're like wait a minute. I did this but they were perceiving it. As this this and now we have player empowerment in terms of their voice with social media is sounds like the resistance is really to where's the power balance. It used to be with organizations -tations coaches. Only players have a voice. They just complained and go home. No one knew you never walked across magic johnson just coming in your world but now if if you want to know what matters is is doing you just go to magic johnson. I just think they're right now. People were just a little upset. At who really has the power all right now. We miss anything today today. On first things first i gotta chris carter made an interesting point on how antonio brown's affecting taller fan candidacy check this out been a member of the hall of fame and i knew it wasn't right. I watched a hall of fame. Keep t o out a couple years because awad stuff like this and i know that abe is not thinking about that but teo shut the temp he gave his shed light on the template which they don't like you think that'd be his antics will actually affect us hall all of fame candidates yeah. A._b._c.'s got some work to do before he's on t os level where te'o by stats and production was a hall of famer got hurt by xanax a._b._c.'s right at the cusp of having that resume. That's demands hall of fame but these annex. I think they undermining because again. I go back to did you contribute to a winning environment that to me should be the first question you ask about a hall of fame interesting. I think if he just continues is a male lynn. He's a hall the famer he's already got a body of work that supports. He should be a hall of famer. That said this will affect it. The guy who's like who's absolutely he's a hall of famer that guy may go to defense and the guy was already on the fence like you. He's on the cusp. They're going to hop over the fence on the negative side because the hall of fame like you said is into promoting off the the field or team building exercises anything that's a detriment to that they hold you accountable for teo came up in an example talking to david baker before president of the committee te'o would have been better off if he was arrested because that's not affecting team building efforts but teo did other things in teens and that actually was to his detriment yeah. He's he's not oh trajectory. It's the same pattern because teo was so talented m._t._o. And teo was so difficult to deal just like antonio brown but it just these other things just kept adding up and the end of the day it affected his hall of fame candidacy and i think that's that's the same way so it's either going to have to branch off where he's either plays worse than he's played now or he stops doing what he's doing now otherwise they're they're parallel. This is his swansong yes but i would expect to see another at least a couple more thousand yard seasons and fifteen sixteen touchdowns <hes> uh out of him and then i think he's but if this is the way he goes out it could affect not only did the boston celtics celtics win the n._b._a. Finals in nineteen eighty six but a queen size mattress was only one hundred and sixty nine dollars. Though larry bird is no longer playing mattress firm is making sure the eighties are still represented during mattress firm's flashback sale you can save up to four hundred dollars on throwback deals suitable for the sleep hall of fame score and updated bed head for a price in the past and start sleeping like one of the pros joined now by fox n._b._a. Analyst jim jackson time now for another. They get away thorough. We will move to lebron. I raise eyebrows as weekend after posting this picture of himself sitting alongside some all time greats you got magic shack corinne and the goat kobe bryant ryan quote sheesh so auditing to it'd be a part of greatness p._s. Man oh man that starting five is any franchise all the top. Let's get it so. I want to ask you guys. Do you think it's disrespectful to the other legs is like jerry west will and those are the guys who were left out. Is it disrespectful to those guys. Well first of all someone else posted the picture hit it right young but someone else facts act reposted. It got it. Now me what i've had the self-awareness if i'm the brian james to be like now i'm not going to re post it off my deal. Let other people. I say that because again 'cause he's. He's had one nine playoff season with the lakers. That will put you up there with these guys in terms of lakers ought aww great it doesn't tail so none of will abroad did before bleeds into your i'll talk about greatness is the brown law wanted to top five players that ever played kenny be in the top five of their organization so he hasn't won titles with the late. I get all of them but he didn't s okay look this is not originally from him to puts me in a position to disrespect some people who are not in that picture which is unfair to me but i was still do this lebron qualify the for that picture lebrons greatness does rub with the lakers greatness and guess what if you think about the top five guys to ever wear that uniform lebron james is in one. He's one of those guys even if he hasn't won a title and even in office nothing in the lakers uniform accomplished hulu king award the uniform. Yeah i get it from a diehard lakers fan. They haven't diehard lakers fans because of the past legacies the players that have come in and even want. I mean will if he didn't win. We'll would be in the conversation but he didn't win but he did jerry west one okay so so but it goes to the bigger point to lebron to know he didn't say i'm one of the all time i'm happy to be in the company. Oh yeah what if it was five. I bohm fly with these guys would come out and play. Oh jeez. You know they couldn't stop. That's basically what he's saying but if you're a die hard laker fan died like you a die hard clipper ah damn right and certain things that you do like the brown right now. They haven't it even when he came as negatives i so would you ain't better than coke. I mean they open minded aggressive but is true honored that means you gave me something. I'm grateful thank you. He's accepting. This heat has which you don't be mad at him. I said make your fans honored. I'm honored because andy young put me whatever you're gonna go there for his own minimize see you all i wanna sit lebron the right mindset to make lakers fans happy man. This is a great honour but i have some work worked to accomplish in this uniform before you put me ahead of jerry west <music>. We'll try here on. I got some work to put it on. The damn. King putting worked look if y'all build around me properly like we're starting to do and we have some problem. That's the problem. I can build around me. I didn't hear will sack or anybody y'all built around where he showed up and titles go to if you go to entity with some other top journalists and they form this super team of journalist list and you their day one and let's say subscriptions dip little but we'd lock is amongst the grayson so what puts out a picture with you will say oh win whitlock. Some walks okay great. Guess what you say pump debris. You're saying oh you go home and i'm grateful. I did all that in kansas city. I need to do juicing things here at the washington post before y'all lump me wilpon and corn subscription's going to dip and you do that. That's a response. I'm gonna tell you why why 'cause i'm gonna put the working in a couple years. There won't be no question okay. I'll belong right there with the he's not all put the world's great qualified assay that it's always a catch twenty two being the brunt whatever you say whatever you do a lot of things will be scrutiny here what it is okay. If even if you're just i suppose that and just put it. There say thanks a lot. Thanks for putting that together. He gets through tonight on now now. Sometimes it's brought on. I get it the position that he that he's in anything he does is gonna be scrutinized over analyzed. What is he thinking. What does it mean you u._k. Winning s it so he has to win the championship to even qualify for this conversation absolute well. What if he wins one is that is that would be that would put him in. He brought her the title to the lakers. They haven't made the playoffs in six straight years. Resume abroad entitled to the lega yeah. I would put him right there. I want to get into into that conversation. One question direct question if he gets one. Is he leapfrogging. We'll leapfrogging jerry west so we can he ever get to be a laker great and you're just said one one came here thirty four. They haven't made playoffs in six years. If he carries them to a tidal title hell yeah he can stay right alongside in question so i don't think just one title. Let's say one title say's four years one title compared to jerry's west legacy say so does he leapfrogged. If he only gets one legacy lineage of jerry west we all know but does he belong long and the company of all the other half minded specific issue specifically yes as he leapfrogged mary west why his short these type here to shorter no no again because they're bringing in the greatness other passed a laker though don't forget the but understand this. I've come up with this though but wilt legacy is a lot different than it is with philly right. It's a lot different right okay and that's why he's not in that picture right there hi what he did in philly one hundred point was in philly. It wasn't at the lakers. That's what i'm asking. Is that thing civically for a lake. It's only gets one. He passed ask jerry west and here's why say yes he's dealing with the genie bust jim bus lakers and to carry that franchise to a title would would be historic and a great bowl at the end of lebron's career. Yes i think because again in terms of lebron's already a greater player then then less than a lot of these guys he's for other kareem and magic in my opinion. You know kobe kobe. There's an argument. We're talking. I five rings five rings. I'm always with the lakers like like you said oh well. He should be with my problem. Is i guarantee. Not what lakers laker fans problem is with this again. Lebron has made several comments over the last two years. I'm michael jordan. I've done on the. I've done my legacy as full. I'm done this is. He's still in that mindset of like it's over for me. Put me with the retired all i'm. I'm great. I'm right there. It's over nothing. I do from here on point and if i'm a lakers fan fingernails on talk for <music> with locking wildly eric mangini is back with us. Let's move tom. Brady sparked a number of rumors last week as a report broke that his forty million dollar gossett home had just hit the market. The news had people speculating the brady was reading for retirement or even planning to find a new team that season but it's a quarterback says it's all much ado about nothing. I certainly hope my you shouldn't read anything i mean i think it's you know it takes a long time to sell a house. I don't know if you guys my house is a little bit of expensive one so it doesn't quite you know fly off the shelf and only there's no point in worrying about things like that because they're just they're so many what what if you pay the bills and this and that and this and that if you spend all your time and energy on those things you miss track of what's really most important what's happening right now and you know that's this. This is where i wanna be this. Is you know this is the team that i wanna be a part of leading and and i'm really excited about doing that and there's really not much more to read reading to it than that. Tom insisted several times that he still hoped to play until eight forty five and that same interview however i i hear all of this as this is. Tom brady's final season. He's prepared for that. He hopes to play until he is forty five but i i think he's preparing for this to be his last season. I didn't hear that i heard a lot of my coaches who used to always say don't get bored with success and that that doesn't land properly when you're active player all the time you hear what do you mean get bored success and that was the way that they really wanted us to just focus in on the process on the fundamentals and the things that you're supposed to do the right way which at times get tedious and at times it'd be real boring. You wanna get creative. You wanna give flex ax you wanna get funky. Would you want to get outside the playbook and do your own things. Don't get bored with success and tom brady just gave us an enlightenment to his genius in his process so meticulous and it's boring so what we do is we speculate confirmation bias. If you think it's over for brady you put the housing orchid. We see it and if you don't think it's over formula like oh no franchise tag. He's going to go somewhere else. It's whatever you wanna do with it but this do just took us deep into a place that has really contributed to all his success and what i heard from. It is a guy who say one day to one play the time one year two time at that time. I'll tell you what's next is now for everybody. Brady marcellus has nailed it and one of the the greatest gifts that bill belichick has is the ability to get a group and to get individuals to focus on the task at hand at the moment and he'd always say look. You can't worry about the past because there's nothing you can do. You can't change. It said you can't worry about the future. You're not nostradamus. You don't know what's going to happen so the only thing that you can control is this moment right now now and palms ben with bill for a long long time and he's heard that message over and over again and he truly believes that and that's how he he lives him putting his house on the market it is it's an expensive house. There aren't that many buyers. You need to get on the market because it's not going to sell right away. If you're eventually going to move i and and i don't think there's anything deeper that than than what he talked about in the men's health article where his wife groping very untraditional way it wasn't you go to this school and you live in this town and then you go to high school and then you go to college they she lived all over the world so there may be some some fusion of of of lifestyles here in terms arms of what they are going to do in the future with their family and their approach i err you've been a head coach. Take his organizationally though help me understand understand why they agree to a contract that let's him walk. After this season no franchise tag no transition tag why that why why shouldn't i read something into that because they're at the point right now where every year is a one year deal and it doesn't mean that they're looking looking to get rid of them and it doesn't mean that he's looking to leave but the best way for them to operate is for them to each have the ability to make that decision at the end of the year and it works well for a salary cap perspective. It works well from a leverage perspective for tom brady so each year they can go into a new set of negotiations based off of where the previous year was and work off those one year contracts and set it up any way that they want to set it up the help the salary cap out to me. It shows incredible self awareness as a great player. Maybe the goat of all time and an organization they're being in real who doesn't want to sit across from someone at the negotiation table and while you're talking. They have that self awareness. Look i am forty two. I get it. I'm not going to try and take advantage of you and say sign me for three more years who knows where that cliff is and i'm a fall off it or not and at the flip side they're saying look we appreciate services but there's a part of this organization that has to prepare for post. Tom brady and we want to be able to do that and be fluid in that moment so they're like all right. Just take a year by year. I i eat what i kill and i would just go out there and keep killing well. The other part of bill ballot check texaco gift set is his his ruthless ability to move on from players regardless of who they are and i was at the hall hall of fame induction and richard seymour's air. Dan branson rod who else is override and harrison was there law lawyer malloy. Was there tie all those guys they're they're all great. Patriots all built the patriot way and all moved on from when it became the best interest of the team and that may sound like it's way too harsh but that's what's allowed them to compete year in and year out and that's a real strength that he has maybe argument argument last week that as much as bella check believes in the patriot way sodas. Tom brady and the tom brady is self aware and confident enough to say. Hey look if we can happen to richard seymour. If it can happen to tie of law it can happen to me it can happen to anyone and and that also may be part of what drives him constantly when you know and and carry rice used to talk about that all the time even at the height of his greatness he used to feel like he was is going to get cut every day or talked about training with that perspective well with tom situation. It's real like if he comes back and he's not the guy that they hope hope he is. They're gonna look to move on even though he is. Tom brady all right before we go. I'd like to address the major challenge facing miami dolphins rookie head coach bryan floor is he will not be judged or treated fairly by the american sports media or handful of the players on his roster liberals in the media and a select few black act players on the dolphins roster will pay allies floors with a black techs. It has already begun last week. Dolphins receiver kenny stills tweety criticism of dolphins dolphins owner stephen ross for hosting reelection fundraiser for donald trump. I don't have a problem with stills using social media to question his boss but i don't work for stephen ross if i did fire were in floors the shoes i'd have a problem a major one. Stephen ross is one of three n._f._l. Owners who employs black head coach in two thousand nineteen other than starting quarterback being an n._f._l. Head coach is probably the most coveted job in all of sports. The job pays exceptionally absolutely well. It gives the coach and amazing platform to to impact the careers of his assistance if he's successful floors could be the next tony dungee and create a coaching coaching tree of the next wave of black head coaches. Stephen ross is an owner of several businesses and his highest profile employee is brian flora's. No one should be surprised or upset. That floors advised steals to speak privately with rawls about his political donations. The only the reason for advice is controversial is because floors is black and the liberals in the media wants to enforce a policy that all black people must agree with their exaggerated narrative tip about our current president deadspin which is employed one token black writer and his thirteen year history published a piece published pieces attacking floors and ross who know who knows what floors thinks trump but given the enormity of the job ross bestowed floors doesn't make sense for floors to be loyal oil to ross in the first six months of holding said job human beings are far more complex than the way they're being paid in the modern american media the people people drawing lines in the sand and assigning good guys and bad guys are the all knowing supremacists. They're better and smarter than i am. I'm simple. I want bryan floors floors to be successful the liberal mainstream media allegedly care about the n._f._l. Giving black coaches more opportunities to elevate head coach. I use the word allegedly angelique because i don't believe they care. I believe it's a smokescreen a convenient tool the media use to paint n._f._l. Ownership is racist and full players into obain media commands floors fool. He's loyal to the person invested in his success. That's not the media can still or the president stephen. Stephen ross more speak yourself after their fish is back with us a smooth to the cowboys who still you'll have yet to sign that prescott to a new contract but apparently it's not for lack of trying according to former n._f._l. Executive mike lombardi. Dan actually rejected in an offer from the cowboys worth around thirty million per year which would have put him in the top. Six highest paid quarterbacks in the league <hes> jeff. I've been arguing with marcel. Eh for months ago go to coach. My contention is that if that keeps us up. It's going to hurt locker room chemistry if if he wants to much money the guys in that locker room if it costs them zico elliott or mark cooper or byron jones and other side this could disrupt locker room candidacy. If data wants what stacks sane either we get the deal done or i'm just gonna play the euro. Is that what he's saying. He's gonna play the other year so i don't think it's going to create these things. Don't create problems and locker rooms and things like that. I don't think we need to get caught up in all the. He said that she said stuff. In the negotiations cowboys will get this thing done. Okay the cowboys have some work to do. As far as negotiations are concerned with back in with the receiver and now you've got the running back out and and oh by the way there's a couple of good defensive players that are coming up next year so that they've got to get this thing done so i think we need to caution. Remind ourselves not to get caught up in the in this negotiation through the media thing because these are rumors first off and always is going to take is another million that puts them. If he's top six. He wants to get in the top. Five inches takes another top five deals done yeah. I'm a harp on the word range. When i hear michael lombardi you say this would be nuts range. Okay so look we all were taught in math when you're generalizing roundup so raise could be twenty six own up or it could be top air russell wilson aaron rodgers. Tom brady thirty five on down now. We we gotta get specific because we're not gonna generalize. If i'm dak prescott i wanna stay specific and the devil is in the details. Wait a minute. You're trying to tell me see that. I could be somewhere between matthew stafford at twenty seven million jimmy g. kirk cousins at twenty million in the range matt ryan ryan carson wentz. Okay we already went through our carson. Wentz dak prescott three year career numbers and doc is smoking carson winston most categories now so adak in his agents sitting here like i'm better than him with actual numbers but then the numbers you're giving to me. The range are not better than him specifically. I got a problem with that. I'm going to sit at this table to talk specifically about how i am better in contract than the carson wentz at thirty two million dollars. This range could be too wide for deck and jeff has gotten to where i think. There's a potential the problem. This is what i believe is tough for you to say it but if dak prescott walks into that cowboys locker room making thirty two million a year they're going to be some guys is an locker room like are you kidding me and now i can't pay x. Y. and z. byron jones these guys well. That's the issue if they can't go ahead and get these the things done but that's that's the business. That's the business every year and every building. You can't keep everybody you're gonna lose. People people are going to pay for somebody that you like doc which you couldn't sign so that's i just don't see that happening in the locker room. I think the guys they respect him. He's a he's a cowboy. I think people seem he was a cowboy for life. I think teammates go yeah. Pay the dude and let's go won some games and he's won a lot of games plus. We all know the hierarchy like when you're a quarterback quarterback. We know what's coming with it. The love the famed glory in doe it's. I don't think who else would give back thirty million dollars on the free agent the market danu some flameouts must occur with some franchise quarterbacks but look we saw a situation where a case keenum was thought of very highly in what you're going thirty and it wasn't a salary cap that is going to now go up twenty million dollars since case keenum was signed so it's the inflation of the position inflation of the game. I don't think he's short blake bortles jimmy here to help us talk about antonio. Brown all aware got a big dummy of the day big victims today. I'm sorry nephew but it's going to go to you for your embrace for your state and you got a problem with people being short. You got a problem. I'm sure people is maybe that's why. Are you still single on a problem and here's a highlight from our discussion earlier about antonio brown in brown. The raiders frostbitten helmet phobic receiver is dumber. A six round pick out of central michigan brown has made more money than he could've ever rightfully awfully imagine. I don't blame him for being delusional who has the most approve its antonio brown because he doesn't have the same guarantees of security as a group all right uncle jim mm-hmm. What's your take on a._b._c. and his feet problem in oakland doctor jimmy first of all. I'd like to say that <hes> i've been sitting here completely unsolicited to give my totally biased medical opinion okay. This is in regard to has we said the frostbite injuries that have been detained by antonio brown see you have to understand that antonio brown is suffering from frostbite and hits now going into some of the more extreme green forms of the frostbite frostbite has some you know can lead to gangrene gangrene leads to blisters when the blisters bust they begin to lose and they start giving you this milky discharge and flaky i when you get that that's when you've it's safe to say that you've developed philip infection. If you develop infection in your feet <hes> it's safe to say that shortly thereafter that you're gonna find yourself worrying kuntar as old cleats and then you will spend the rest of your career complaining about not making it to the motherland ice last hall of fame well. I'm trying to tell you. This is what happened to the raiders. I'm here to tell you that i have through knowledge reports that the raiders were completely aware that antonio brown had an s._d. Steeler team disorder. They all and i'm gonna going to be honest with you. This happened the raiders hooked up with a._b. Unluckily for them they hooked up with during an outbreak. I'm going to be very honest with hugh <hes> they say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions but i'm here to tell you that they also say that the road to heaven is paid with banana pudding which make might not be true too because otherwise more people would be bottom line. You guys venison football's coming up. Antonio brown's gonna be on somebody's draft board and everybody will choose antonio brown like you know i would. I would no no no. He's he's not let me ask you a quick order so so are you telling me that if a._b. Was bad female sitting at the bar and las vegas and you knew who she was you. You knew her work all of videos. You know her work like you know the palm you'll hand if you had the chance you step up her to get lost in and that solves dislike us. That's what the rate is. They got lost in the salzburg. Only problem is beginning to see them symptoms a little sooner than what they thought they were going to clean liam blisters on a._b._c.'s feet and they got medication for that how you you but here's the do you stuck together. Okay let me let china little secret would quickly. That's why they kicked his ass out of pittsburgh. The infected the whole locker room i got a._b. At a full-blown dumpster fire exit thirty two dropped him in dropped him at all time greatest this document authenticity to dump defy the internet earning earning. I didn't expect that doc. I gotta go wealthy full uh-huh talents with the n._f._l. Wins raw let you have one year with a bad help. That makes own world agrees with me steeler team disorder just like the doctors then you come between i will.

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And a joy Taylor is joining me of course joy very exciting time I, of always been very altruistic I like to make America money. You do you like to spread it around robinhood coffee I, like to help people and Daddy by new kicks. That's the whole thing. So we spend a lot of time on this. We care a lot. We came off a great week. Here we go. This Friday this is our blazing five. Let's blaze it prior Collins. Browns, it cowboy all take Dallas minus five and a half. I Dak Prescott against really good competition rams, seahawks numbers this year he's always been a good home quarterback since the beginning of last year is quarterback rating at home as one zero, eight point eight and their offense right now, number one in the league. But this is about the browns defense it's allowed seven touchdown passes of ten plus air yards this year most in the NFL I. think There's a lot of points in this game and I. Don't know if Cleveland can keep up because they're more of A. Running team Cleveland back and worries me and what do we KNOW ABOUT CLEVELAND? They beat Cincinnati with a rookie quarterback and Washington with kind of a rookie quarterback if you consider starts, how good are they dallas? This is a major step up in competition for Cleveland, they went to Seattle and got down to the last play against the seahawks and went down in Los. Angeles a pass interference call is the only difference losing the Rams I didn't. Dallas is the better team. There's a lot of point all easily swallow the five and a half cowboys win thirty, three, twenty, six. Cold. Said bears like it. I love. It bears getting points at home I. Think they're the better team I think Matt Nagy. Coach wanted to start nick foles three weeks ago but the GM wouldn't let him Matt. Nagy gets his quarterback Nick foles lets it rip big arm Big Games is the coach's kid he wants this guy and he went and got him in the off season. How good of the colts they lost the Jaguars and beat the crappy vikings in the really crappy jets? What are they? Good ole line old quarterback and I worry because the bears defense is number two in the league in getting offenses off the field on third down I. Think here I get a clever coach who finally as its quarterback I get points I'm at home. I, like the Foles Magic to continue twenty, four, twenty, three. Years over. The colts. SEAHAWKS IT Dolphin favorite pick of the week I love Miami plus six. Russell Wilson may save the day but here's why. Miami gets three days of extra prep time because they were on Thursday night football. That is huge because I think it's a very good coaching staff and staff that are good take advantage of it. Seattle as the furthest trip, you can making America after dramatic wins they've been in wildly dramatic wins over Dallas and new. England Ryan Fitzpatrick is very good when comfortable and Seattle makes every quarterback comfortable because they have no pass rush and the dolphins are also playing clean football. One of two teams in the NFL have not had a turnover. In two weeks. Green. Bay's the other. Dolphins defense can get after you the seahawks offensive lines a mass I think Russell Wilson may come in and save the day late. But in warm sticky weather long trip for Seattle I will take the six points. Seattle Wins Twenty twenty-six. chargers said, bucket nears. This is a lot of point. I'll take Tom Brady and the bucks minus seven this game's about comfort versus discomfort Tom Brady against the chargers defense that's without Ingram Derwin Jane they don't take the ball away since the beginning of last year Derwin. James is their best defensive player. So you don't have to studs for them. That means Tom Brady getting more comfortable at home. It's comfortable meanwhile, Justin herber will face a defense for Tampa that gets a pass rush with only four the first or second best linebacking core in the league you cannot run on the bucks. Defense. Number two in yards per play allowed in the NFL four and a half yards play. That is it. Justin Herbert gets yards but has struggled in the red zone chargers settling for field goals. He will be uncomfortable all day. I. Believe Todd Bowles. Is the best current Cold War in the NFL and I think Tampa has the best or second best linebacking core Justin. Herbert the chargers have only one of three teams scored twenty you're less Brady's is going to be comfortable. Justin Herbert's GonNa be uncomfortable, and it's the defensive Tampa that will decide the game not the often if the defense that will shut down and create turnovers for a short field, all take Tampa thirty, three, twenty, three. Bills, raiders, this is an easy one. I'll take buffalo minus three. There is no home field advantage anymore. So it's basically a neutral field I get the better quarterback, the better coach and the significantly better defense. There are a lot of people that being buffalo's top fourteen minutes league. A lot of coaches are really on Buffalo. Their offense is number two passing the offense. The last two years look at the leap in their offense. Josh Allens emerged. This is now an elite offense. The raiders run defense is thirty if they can't get you off the field again, maybe if it's the second home game for the raiders in Vegas and it's a wild crowd, it's different but this is almost a neutral field. This is a buffalo team that is well coached. Will Force will force the raiders to play real defense because they pressed the ball down the field buffalo wins this game thirty to twenty, seven, I think it could get worse than this but it's at least this thirty, two, twenty-seven bills. So I don't take a lot of favorites. I like underdogs a lot. But I'm GonNa Take Dallas as a favorite buffalo as a favorite and Tampa Bay as a favorite and I got a couple of dogs. I take the bears at home plus two and a half points and I'm also going to Miami to cover plus six at home the furthest trip in the NFL. The furthest trip in the NFL his Seattle to Miami by the way for more on my blazing five picks. Please check out the Fox bat social platforms. After the segment. You'll understand why. So I wanNA show you something. This is about psychology and football. Pro Football focus came out really fascinating. They went and looked at all thirty, two starting quarterback I love this this is one of the sometimes they get into the weeds on offensive guards I can't go there. Guards. But when they do the quarterback stuff and they grade them on every throw, it's fascinating and they took all thirty two quarterbacks and they found their weakness over the last year or two and everybody's weakening. Some are kind of I'll give you a couple of them. Most of them you can see with your eyes a Derek Carr, for example, pro football. Focus says, it appears aggressiveness is problem. Well, that's what we've talked about for two years. He's very accurate but the average depth of target is like six point nine meaning he just doesn't let it rip despite good weapons Aaron Rodgers, they say is you can disguise coverage and again they're nitpicking with Aaron. But if you disguise coverage, it can give him some problems. Dak Prescott and I think this is something I believe High Volume Games when you ask him to throw forty two times are not his strength. That's not what he is I think we've talked about that before. But the Baker Mayfield one is fascinating. Pocket presence and I'm going to read it for a radio audience to even in college. Mayfield vacated too many clean pockets played outside of structure more than he should have. But that weakness has been exacerbated in the NFL last two years since twenty nineteen, he has thirty seven plays in which he took himself out of rhythm he vacated a clean pocket. And he has just a twenty eight point five passing grade to show for it. So what does that say? Well. Let me let me I talk about Baker Mayfield. This is one of the things I like about him. Is that he was told he was too short. He was told he didn't have this this this this this kid to walk on in college. That is a garden variety overachiever in America therapist that all day. Therapists guy that woman over? No, he's an overachiever and I love that. Head down little trash talk. biggie. Go quiet his critics I'm GonNa Borough right through the wall that you're putting not for me and I love that about him. That is really his core strength. He's going to tell you exactly how he feels and he's never had the support. He quite wants at in Cleveland you could make an argument. Maybe, that personality helped him a Tad. He got drafted though number one and got a bunch of commercials and he's never been the athlete that he thinks he is so i. do think he's a little he's in he's in his fields right now feels pretty good. But what happens to you when you have a chip on your shoulder? and. You are very self reliant and you want to prove you can do it. But what happens in life when you do get support? You do marry a great girl. You do get a smart coach. You do get pro football focuses third best offensive line pro football focuses rest best running back duo and above average support, wide receiver and tight end. What made Baker Mayfield. A fascinating thirty for thirty he's a two time walk on wins. The heisman goes to the NFL number one draft pick. He's a little short. He doesn't look like number one draft picks. He didn't walk into a room and you're like Oh Cam Newton. All right that that's the number one draft pick. That is is psychology. But how do you pivot? When you do marry the perfect girl and you do get the right coach and you do get the best running backs and you do get an elite offensive line and you don't have to be self reliant. You. Don't put your head down, put your head up and recognize I've got all this support. Oh my God I've got all this support in life. This is what psychologists tsy on their couch all day. It is the pivot and it's really hard to ask people in their twenties to do it especially when they got twenty, five million in the bank. Baker Mayfield. What got him to the NFL he's got to pivot out of that. He's got a pivot out of that. He has gotta realize I got great support at home. I got great support on the team. I got great support from the staff I got great support running backs I got great support wide receivers. It is a tough pivot for fifty year old. What made him? May now be as biggest issue. He's got great support. Can. He step back and go? It's not all about me. I don't have the WIN Games I. Don't have throw forty times. I don't have anything to prove. Turn handed off and manage incredible support system. Can he do it certainly possible. But it, but it is interesting that pro football focus found. He's leaving. His knock is he's got a clean pocket. He's out of there. May that to me that's psychology, which is when your self reliant have to put your head down. With critics know everybody doubt you. You WanNA prove I can do I need help I'll do it myself. I'll walk on a win the job at Oklahoma Win The heisman number one pick it's going to be a really interesting because I think right now he's got he's got unbelievable support. Offensive Line wide receiver, tight end running back and I didn't Kevin. Stefanski is a pretty good coach has realized. This is what he is. Let's manage it. Baker just can baker manage because I. Think the team is telling him that's all we need to do. Now we'll get to the playoffs just manage all this talent support. Coming up next Rashad Jennings New York giants, I think the to New York teams are going to draft one and two in the NFL and if I'm the giants I'm moving off Daniel Jones and if I'm the jet, I have to strongly consider it, that's coming up. One more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or demand whenever you like comes to reaching health goals. Change your mind in your habit about neum free trial today get started in all dot com slash heard check it out not just. About, out zero out exterior forces, it's about you would neum. Rashad Jennings played in the NFL for almost a decade played with giants. The Raiders New York Times bestselling author he's got a key kid books they're really popular. The Coin Slot? Chronicles Young adult book series. Arcade in the dazzling truth detector is his latest. Really. Really. Well, he tells a what dancing with the stars champ quite a life. He is joining us now the global satellite network. Having played in New York and Jacksonville Jacksonville one of the most laid back markets. New York's one of the most intense markets and Daniel Jones darnold. I think darnold the better talent but they could be the two worst teams in the League and you've played in that city. If Trevor Lawrence is available and they have the number one and number two pick do you think they move off their young quarterbacks and go get what appears to be the best prospect in about a decade in college football? I I would say, no well, thanks for having me on. I was getting kicker somebody here dancing with the stars trips me up. But yeah, I, wouldn't I. Wouldn't. If I'm in a position to. Travel Lawrence's I think is a generational quarterback. I don't think the giants go get them because they already have a quarterback in hand as well as the jets want in the reason why to attest in agree with you about the support system talk about allow manning will be a hall of Famer. In two thousand fourteen he was drafted to the New York giants and they had a great support system. Daniel Jones was drafted the to the in two thousand, one, nineteen to the hands while the guy that you mentioning that came in with a great support system was leaving with no support systems. You see what I'm saying so I think that. They have a quarterback play football very well Yes. He has a lot of growth ahead of him. He's young I. Think he's eager I think he has to wear thaw. Think he has a poise. Thank. You. Has the skill set to be a great quarterback for the New York giants. However, the support system is not there we know that. And it's going to take some time. Especially you know you're losing your top back but you know every great running back barring Barry Sanders himself always say this every run back runs the same when there's no where to run and you know that goes again to the support system and so as a few things that the giants are to want to focus on. And continue to focus on this season. But definitely, during all season with the quarterback position is not one of them. You know it's interesting the Cam Newton was in kind of trouble and Carolina Oh for eight in his last start more picks than touchdowns. And it was Ron. Rivera didn't even bring them up to Washington he took his backup. and. Didn't have much of a market for cam at all and a New England, takes him. Don't don't pay him anything and I'm listening to him talk and I'm watching him play any. He's completely refocused talking about support system. He's he sounds different. He's much more serious. He's much more tuned in. And it's interesting because you went when you were with a giant and then you go to the Jaguars. I'm kind of blown away by CAM. It's like a transformation of his personality how surprised are you by that? I'm having again. I'm a person that it'd be out as I thought Cam. didn't. Have it in his tank anymore and but I, I'm also Cam Fan. So I was saying I hope he proves me wrong. You know a really really and he has he's he's been out there. He's doing what's necessary to win football games for his team The team has taken them and. I think coordinator has done a great job of putting him in position. They don't have their feature running back right now still trying to. Get inside of the system I mean can camps in new quarterback in in a brand new system I think they're doing well and they still get around on Bella checks knowledge and defense is playing well enough for him to win. So they're planting football as the Patriots always does, but I think he's elevated his game you could see some more communist in them. You can see more playfulness. And he's being himself. So I can watch cam season. Yeah. Mechanics have improved. You, know Dallas Dak said yesterday said we listen we want to get in shootouts that's who we are. We're GONNA pass the ball and I think of Zeke and I think I should pay the guy hundred something million dollars you're not using them in Dallas is actually thirty five and fifteen when they've given Zeke the ball just fifteen times in his career there better that way were you ever a running back and talk about Dallas specifically that you thought the offense you're in at some point was unbalanced and it fell in love with the passing game because it feels like Dallas has getting there to me. Yeah, I, think a lot of lot of scenes. Have Been Fall into. The. Pass game in leaning on it and I understand why get it Makes Explosive is fun is big chunky yards Your guys are not getting beat up as much but. I have seen. I've been part of teams where they've got away from the run game and. Depends on how you team is built. Right. If you have a hall of Famer quarterback under Center with a scheme that can sling football, do it but if you have a run game that sound run it, you know in and create balance in is difficult offense. The coordinators to bang their head and figure out how to stop the pass game really is but when you can establish the run game as far every team I've ever been a part of an from from pee wee. All the way to high school college to the NFL. One of the first things they tell you when you walk out of the beaten meeting at a team meeting essay that we need to establish a run game, stop the run. Those are the two most dominant ways to win a football game. Then you start talking about pass game, then you start talking about special teams I think the cowboys a one that feel that they have a very talented quarterback they have a stack receiver core again, I as I said before, I feel like I, don't mean. Any disrespect with but I say the cowboys are a watered down version of the Kansas. City chiefs and if you can get that pass game going, you can save her one of your top backs later in the season when you're going to need him to where people down especially, you gotta think long-term being in the bubble being he didn't have a preseason this year you know guys made potentially that didn't work out as hard where down later in the season. So you WANNA have your bullets A. Really Smart. Speaking of Kansas City you watch them on Monday night, just disassemble the Baltimore Ravens. It's A pro pro athlete as somebody who played in this game is there any do they look like anything you've ever seen offensively. Now, they're doing something special and and he and I'll tell you what man Patrick Mahomes he's. He's throwing why he's a hospital. For what player ever to play the game so far? He's different man. He can do it all. He can stand in the pocket he get out of the pocket he moves the center of the field so well like. They could be on the right hash in he actually runs a sweep to to put them on the left Hash. So he can pass the ball like he moves the pocket I honestly would. I honestly would love to talk. To the office coordinator I really think they purposely moved the pocket on until the Office Alana Block strong on the right and on the. Just. So they can roll out and invest would often think about that as coordinator defensive coordinator. How do you? How do you really game plan for somebody that's rolling out of pocketing and create an a new Lana scrimmage but I think that's partly what they're. In in any reading share that but he's special he's setting. He said in a bar very high. We all knew that he was capable of that. When we first saw him touch the fill his second year in and you know. But far as I mean I, don't I don't think. stoppable. At this point, you know we're. We're the week other than their defense, but they're gonNA score probably a hundred points. Rashad Jennings. Almost a decade in the NFL I want to show you the book one more time arcade in the dazzling truth detector. To New Book Release Final Installment of his Coin Slot Chronicles Young Adult Book Series This guy has done it all dancing with the stars seventh round draft pick at a liberty what a life he's led. We love having him on Rishaad again. Appreciate you coming on the show Oh as look forward to seeing you on next time. All right. Good stuff. Here's joy Taylor with the nude. News. This is the third line news. Tom Brady will be without two of his top weapons Sunday against the chargers Bruce Arians announce that both Chris Godwin an Leonard Fournette us are outs Godwin has been doing the hamstring injury and for net miss practice this week with an ankle injury I knew that before my blazing five pick but they're deep now at running back and wide receiver. So I'm good with it. Scott Miller is also receivers cutting Miller's also done with a hip injury, but he returned to practice he's likely to his questionable first Sunday. As you mentioned they are near blazing five They will be hosting the at Los Angeles. Fox PAT HAS TAMPA AT MINUS seven you've pick Tampa to cover I. Think I think this game's about defense I think Tampa's defense is like Pittsburgh's it they get you off the field. They put a lot of pressure on without blitzing and I think just in Herbert's. GonNa. Be Overwhelmed I. Don't think Brady is going to be storing Justin Herbert's GonNa really struggle I I could see them just settling for four or five field goals chargers not being able to get them all day well. I mean, we know that. Tampa's defense is kind of the untold story of the of the League in and dense certainly of that that team because we're putting so much focus on what Tom Brady is doing this year and we pretty much knew Godman wasn't going to be available Leonard Fournette is. Here. But as you said, they have so many other weapons and. We've talked about this earlier this week it's it's not a good thing. Obviously, you want Chris Goblin out there is a huge piece for them but I wouldn't risk of injury when you've got, you have my governance. So maybe get him a few hundred Miller, three good tight ends. You have asses shady McCoy in Ronald. Jones you're fine weapons is not an issue there. Now. The packers are dealing with another injury at receiver Allen lazard reportedly had a core muscle surgery this week, and we'll be out indefinitely last week against the saints as at the best game of his career six receptions one, hundred, forty, six yards, and a touchdown with Davante Adams out demonte is with a hamstring injury he was limited in practice yesterday drafted Ryan receive on. They sure could have if you'll be able to play on. Monday. So the wide receivers remaining on the packers active roster are Marquez about as gambling Taylor and Darius Shepherd who was signed off the practice squad last week. Good news for the packers with all these injuries they're hosting the Falcons this week. Yeah. So the Line is interesting. I stayed away from this line. It's fishy. It's only six six and a half. It was fishy to me Atlantic and score this game's going to be closer than you think I wouldn't touch it. But this is one of the reasons why is that? They're beat up on the perimeter in Atlantic and score. The trite but it'll probably be a wildly entertaining game with Aaron. Rodgers and Matt Matt Ryan was played well against Green. Bay, so it'll be a good game high scoring. With with the packers despite the injuries, this is basically an injury update line news because we're going to talk about the eagles now going winless in September definitely, not their planned for twenty twenty either dealing with a lot of injuries and the offensive side of the ball. But Carson Wentz is so confident. They're only a few fixes away from getting back on track. I think the biggest thing I mean there's no doubt about it. It's just taking care of the football. We've made some plays as a hole. Offensively we do some some really good things and move the ball, and then just the turnovers early killing us and I got to be better with that and I and I know that and it's something that that I've I've looked into I've you know critique myself art and then I got to be better and kind of set the example on that front but we're really not far off offensively. Think they're farther often he thinks I understand he's trying to remain positive but they had one healthy receiver Greg Ward at practice yesterday. There tied for the most intercept she is tied with Kirk cousins for the most interceptions in the league. Sixty point nine passer rating is the lowest of all starting quarterback this season there twenty seven points per game and twenty fourth in yards per game through week three, and while they will be facing the niners in San Francisco, this weekend will be likely without Jimmy. Garoppolo the niners rolled the giants last week. With about seven key injuries. Yes. Giant the jets at least have a little push last night the giants, not competitive giant or not even competitive some push last night they just fell apart at the end but yeah, this is. This is looking like they're going to start the season Oh three and one. was remarkable is kind of the exact same story is last year with the y receiver injuries I mean they have this Like how many injuries receiver can you have how many years in a row it's bizarre and this is what they were dealing with last year having signed off the practice squad it's. Not It's just I. Think it's messing with wins. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well. That's the news. Thanks for stopping by. Heard Li- joy talked about it. Earlier DOC rivers was unemployed for less than three days. He is now the coach of the Philadelphia Seventy sixers where he'll be empowered with a five year very lucrative contract telling Ben. Simmons Joel. EMBIID be get your. You know what? Together because I now run the show the previous coach was sort of lame duck and had no power this. Is Ron Rivera. This is billy Donovan when you're good at your job and you're on the market Andy, Reid was once fired. Philadelphia he had a really good job within four days. The clippers owner I'm told Steve. Baumer who can be very intense obviously some ego and some Alpha went ballistic and had to be talked off the ledge. He wanted to trade her fire everybody understandable. And to make it more infuriating. The La Lakers, their rival are going to win the championship I'll say it again, coaches keep getting fired because they're stars unraveling the play offs I like Paul George But the story here is Paul George Story Not a doc rivers story. Hardened keeps getting coaches fired Westbrook Paul George Frank Vogel got fired Paul, George his guy, and now the bronze is guy and he is what thirteen and three in the playoffs Frank Vogel coach when he got. Anthony Davis and Lebron James. It's nothing against Paul George Westbrook Harden. But. This league tosses coaches aside when the players hit the side of the backboard shooting jumpers in the playoffs Docs GonNa win, he's going to flourish and I don't think some of the Clippers playoff issues namely, Paul George Shrinking are correctable. Eric man genie thoughts on the weekend lives in. CLEVELAND. He has thoughts on the Browns and the cowboys showcase game coming up Sunday be short catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio One and the iheartradio APP can't wait for this Eric Mangini three years jets head coach couple years. In Cleveland foxsports NFL analyst he knows all about the jets and he has now joining me live on a Friday. Loved Love Talking Ball with a coach listen we know the jets are amass they were on display don't have. They don't have a pro bowl or the ravens twelve last year. There's a town issue to What do you make of Darnold Talk About Trevor Lawrence? You take in what? What do you make of the whole scene Darnold and the and the club. This whole situation is there's there's problems on a lot of different levels. You'd figure they started one in seven last year. So so historically without them started slow, they'd put a huge investment into the offensive line. Picked up two guards and a center and a tackle in free agency they drafted tackle. But yet, they're almost last in the league in sacks. And don't run the ball very effectively almost close elastic in that as well, and then there's there's the discipline issue in. New. York. When you're almost double plus in personal falls that that's a problem too. So it's it's it's hard to. Really assess where we're darnold is, but here's what I'll say quarterbacks are a little bit like GM's gyms get fire one head coach. They usually don't get to fire a second head coach and quarterbacks are often like that as well. You know they may outlive one head coach and get to the second head coach. But usually after that, you know they're on their way out to and you just haven't seen the type of development from Sam that that you'd hope doing and my concern with him coming out of college is he was a fifty fifty guy. He was almost the same amount of interceptions touchdowns and that's always a concern of mine in terms of overall decision making. Well. The opposite of that is Patrick Mahomes I'm hearing things now he's GonNa Change the league that they'll never be anybody as good as Patrick Mahomes. What are you making that? Look I saw that quote to and it was he's going to change the league, but he's like Dan Marino he's GonNa Change We. All these historic quarterbacks I felt a little bit like I had to get into my delorean. Factor future and every single time someone's GonNa Change. Lamar. Jackson is going to change the league to John. Watson's going to were everybody's changing the league everybody's once in a generational talent I I really like what Patrick Mahomes has done and and. Is he changing the league I don't know he came in some pretty great real estate. He had he had Alex Smith there to mentor. He's got one of the best offense of head coaches that you could ask for in Andy He's got some outstanding playmakers. Arguably some of the best me that's pretty great real estate to come in as a young guy, and I'm not trying to take anything away from what he's accomplished. But context is always good as well I. Think New England is sort of built with Cam Newton power running to make things uncomfortable for Kansas City this weekend what say you. I absolutely believe that he here's what I like about this game. For New, England is with Cam. They can create all the problems that Baltimore creates people, and they've shown a willingness to do that and week one. But then they can throw the ball. They can get over the problems that Lamar Jackson has where cameras very efficient as a passer against against Seattle. So they can create both of those problems for Kansas City and and it's not just good. For Kansas City, it it's good as they move forward. I was surprised by how well camp has thrown the ball especially coming off the injury and I was equally surprised by how much New England was willing to run them in week one and he's a quarterback driven runs. When you combine those two things, it's it's a ridiculous problem for defenses. It's interesting. Dak is kind of interesting Jack, said and decks not a guy that's GonNa stray away from the owner in the coach says Dax says we want to get into track meets we WANNA pass the football so that tells me Mike McCarthy wants to pass the football too I. Just don't know if that defense should be on the field that much what do you make it as idea that they wanNA play up tempo and fast all the time I think it's a bad idea I i. I went back and looked at it and I went back to the two thousand sixteen season where the thirteen to three, the number three in the NFL and time of possession. K. and and that's that's huge and we talked about that a lot during that season. Now, this year, the twenty ninth and time of possession they average one, hundred, seven yards per game rushing and as much. We talk about their offensive line there offensive line has changed significantly and and it's been a mixed a mixed bag, but you've got to help the offensive line by by running the ball consistently and when you have. A defense at struggling, you've got to play complementary football you get lose track meets and that day you're having an off day it's it's a real problem for your defense and when you start looking at this from only one lens, only the offense lands you're going to be exactly where Dallas is okay. There one into and they really should be in three and it's not a form of that. I think it's sustainable for them. Yeah Baker. Mayfield who I've always thought was a reach at number one goes up against him this week and I said I. Think Bakers now for the first time in his life being coached perfectly, which is twenty three throws a game power run it be complementary I think Cleveland. This cleveland is really a good football team potentially your thoughts. This cleveland has a chance to be a really good football team to outstanding running backs up pretty good offensive line really good offensive line coach in Bill Callahan. They've a chance if they'll commit to the run of not only winning a bunch of games but surprisingly. Well it plays into what Baker does does well, where he can build off the track, it simplifies the coverages. It gives you a lot of man boxes. So then you've got the receivers isolated outside and and my biggest fear for them is that the star start complaining about not getting the ball enough and they gave into that that is the wrong approach for them. Stay. The course of what they're doing right now don't worry about the noise from the players who want the ball more that that that program hasn't worked for them when they when they. Conceded to the to the stars, this is a really good program FAB right now, the shock, the League maybe Josh Allen Buffalo quarterback his emergence, you know their offensive coordinator. Brian. Cabell. Really. Really. Well, you've had him multiple times are you surprised by the emergence or did you think it would always work? Now I not surprised that Brian was my offense coordinator in Cleveland Mike quarterback coach in New York he actually worked on the defensive side with me when he first came into the League he was my assistant in the secondary you can't kill with work he is he is. He is one of the hardest working guys I've ever seen. I'll put them head to head I, against anybody and then he's really bright and he's got a different perspective which helps young quarterback because he's not just teaching these guys about what they're doing offensively he's helping them understand what they're seeing defensively and not from a lens of of I've only coach on one side of the ball. So so I have a good idea he's actually coached the other side of the ball and the secondary. So he he. Stands how it works and that to me is a huge huge asset especially for a young emerging quarterback to understand what they're looking back at and the why behind it? Yeah. It'll be interesting Brian Cabell I was just saying this earlier if I was the jets and could get like an urban. Meyer. Lincoln. Riley. O'Brien debacle I would I would I would be more prone to keep darnold because I think they would elevate him. But if the jets get like like what I consider an a coach, then you go for Trevor Lawrence what would you do tomorrow if you were offered if you were offered? To three I three seconds. and to to give up the Trevor Lawrence pick like the number one jet pick and you could keep darnold you get three additional ones three additional twos to go along with the two ones you have this draft and two once following, what would you do as a GM? I mean that that's a lot of graphics. That's a that's a lot of of years of service. You'd figure you had five years of service mall those first round draft picks. It's it's. A really hard question column because you never ever ever want to pass on a franchise quarterback. So if you have that conviction that he is your guy, he's your your Peyton manning your drew brees your timer. If he's that guy you then you don't give it up no matter what's offered? And if there's if there's uncertainty. Than, you definitely take the picks and build the strongest team. Good stuff coach. Eric Mangini and a Friday. Thanks man. All right. Have a great weekend. It comes down to what your conviction on. Trevor Lawrence. If you think he's John. elway. You just take him. And if there's any doubt, you're like seventy five percent, you take the pit because you could get three I three seconds and maybe a number three corner. That's how good he is. CARSHIELD DOT com code heard carshield dot com get coverage today. See why cars with carshield go further don't have anxiety when the check engine light comes on your won't with Carshield Dot Com Code H. E.. R. D. Our three next.

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One-On-One with Eric DeCosta | Wednesday Mailbag

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One-On-One with Eric DeCosta | Wednesday Mailbag

"All right well. This is the second one we've done of these and last week we had a coach. Sean mcvay from the Rams in and you know I wanted to bring in guys who have known for Awhile. Who I've got a lot of respect for I. Think can give people kind of a lot of a really good idea of how you get the highest level of professional football and so this week. We're bringing in a guy. Who's I like Eric. I think I could probably. Like you live close enough to. You grew up close enough to where I live right now where I. I can't walk there, but I could probably ride a bike there and I think like every time we every time we drive from where my house is in Massachusetts to where my inlaws live, we drive right through Taunton Massachusetts which is where Eric Causes from. Bring them in now. That's Ravens GM Eric Decosta Eric Welcome in. The Albert happen to do this and. I'm happy to spend some time with you today. All right, so let's start here. Did a little background working. I actually didn't know this about you, but I read somewhere that you actually wanted to be GM from the time you were six years old, which seems really really young you know and I know a lot of a lot of guys. Drink grew up dreaming about being a player dream about being a coach. What do you think it was like at a young age that made you they made you gravitate towards being a general manager. Well I just was always fascinated by how teams were built, and so for me, know growing up in Massachusetts as a big baseball fan red sox. patriots. To a degree in the Celtics and there was some great teams you know in the late seventies in the eighties, you know then I just really. It was always just fascinated by different personalities and different skill sets, and how they all blend together to build stopping that special and and I was just you know and I think about specifically those Celtics teams. You know the different personalities of those teams and moves that they made in the players that they add in all those types of things that have just so always intrigued by hotter somebody do that. All these moving parts salary component, the ability personalities, and how they all play together to Kinda build something that transcends, and so I don't know I just and I always love you know the scouting aspect. I always loved studying statistics. There was always into. Baseball football cards I. Still I still have my collection. Of Cards and I would study the backs of the car, and where the guys go to college. Where do they play in the minor leagues? You know. How many touchdowns did they have? How many home runs? What was their batting average? Those types of things you know And and I remember like just even you know. We used to talk it in Rhode. Island to watch the red sox play and I remember being there with my dad one time. and. There was a family sitting next to us. And The guy says know that. See that guy over there third base. And said he goes. That guy is gonNA. Be Great player someday, but he's older and just planning for a few years, but he's an amazing hitter and his name was Wade. Boggs. And and I just watched him, and I watched his style. I watched how we stood play And I'm like man. This guy is incredible, but he had been just languishing into target for a couple years, even though it was batting, three, thirty, three, forty, three, fifty, three sixty, because he wasn't a power hitter. but I love studying guys like that and the what makes them special quality to they have that might not necessarily stand out to the casual fan, but what makes them really good? And how does the guy that fit in with your roster based on his skill set? So that type of really meant a lot to me and I always felt like if I wasn't in good enough to play as a professional player, and I played sports I mean it wasn't. I wasn't just a stats guy I played baseball throughout my life I played baseball and football. I played football in college, but I was always pretty realistic that I wasn't going to be a professional player, but what would I want to do and that was to work in sports. And so for me, the the thrill wasn't necessarily kosher players. It was building. The team at the player could coach and so that was my mission. Did you. Do you think you watch sports different than like a lot of kids did like? Do you think that like I mean I? Don't know if there was you mentioned being sitting there like in pawtucket and watching watching Wade boggs like. Do you think like you kind of maybe looked at sports, a little differently digestive sports, a little bit differently than a normal kid would. Really kind of intrigued in the style of the player. What made him a good player? What were the quality that really made him stand out as a player Was it something physical? Was it something intangible was at his court vision, maybe as a basketball player was billion attract the deep ball as a wide receiver. You know what are the qualities that stood out about the guy you know. Did he have an arm like Dwight Evans Dot in the? The outfield control the ball from base. If the you know the off the wall back home plate on the air and the fly, you know. Was it a guy like Jim Rice? Who is a dead pull hitter? But he a lot of double play it into devil place, you know. I was always interested in the style of the player and what his skills were, and how they kind of added to the value of the team in general Those are things that you know those things that sort of resonated with me the intelligence of the plan. Appreciated the intelligence of the player or like I grew up a cowboys fan. As well you know and Emmett Smith. You never took a hit never a big hit. He always had ability to sort of slide, and never really even know maybe the biggest or the fastest guy. He never took a direct hit, and he was able to preserve his gear so long. So those are the things I appreciate about players in those are the things I appreciate about players now. Do you think like. A lot of baseball players there you think twelve year old Eric Decosta would've seen himself as a baseball GM and not a football jim. I always thought I can do both I kind of thought that I would be you know 'cause I love baseball, man I just I did and and you grown up in New England I think sometimes people have more of an appreciation for baseball than in other parts of the country and and I just man I love the Red Sox. Probably Sport early on in my life that I was best at. Until I couldn't hit a curve ball anymore. but I was a Catcher I. always appreciated the mental aspect baseball, the strategy aspect of baseball and I love the fact that the catcher was so involved in every single play every single moment of the game. And I, so that was an awesome. You know position for me to play and I and I was inside Linebacker in college and I love that, too that the inside linebacker was setting the front and making the call, and all that and it was really involved in all the day to day motions of the play, and all the various things and so You know I I. Love Baseball the Strategy Aspect of it. I loved the idea of The manager and I don't know I. Just I like the beauty of baseball and I. Love the Red Sox and I just lived and die every single. Game. With the Red Sox as a kid and I never got a chance to watch the whole game. But I'd come down the morning I hold day was based on the Red Sox. Won or lost in night before you know, I ask my mom or dad, how the Red Sox to in my whole mental framework for the rest of the day was just based on that. So, you probably like, pick up. You'd have the globe. I would I would i? Would I tell us people in it interesting because I? Work with with With one of his sons with. And now I work with and now his. His grandson Patrick Mcdonough works for me, but so we'll mcdonagh's column for man. was was just the holy grail it was was As was you know some of the other writers and they had amazing writers Peter Gammons. I mean it was a galaxy of stars who wrote for the globe. I would get that paper after my dad was finished with the sports page and I would lied on the carpet, and I was spread it out on the carpet, and I would go vour the Boston Globe sports page from the first page to the back page and I would read. Every article and I study every box score as much as I could and I don't know it was a special thing being a kid in Boston in the eighties. Where those teams it was. You consume sports differently. You know channel thirty eight. You know the Red Sox, always on. You Know Jeremy. About thirty eight was the Bruins in the Red Sox, and then the Celtics opponent south around twenty five. I think at twenty. Five twenty five yeah. gave. Different, you know as a kid you know, so you played sports and you watch sports on TV every night. You know is a way for our family to get together. My Dad and I would watch baseball. We would watch football on the weekends every game he could and and that was an awesome thing. Yeah, I always tell people like you know we'll. mcdonagh's like the reason. I got. A. Teenager he he like I actually got to meet him and sit down talk with them and. I've told Terry this. He's the reason. I became a sportswriter in the first place. So like for you like was. Were you a better football player than baseball? Because he play football, I call for everybody know Colby's in the Nasdaq and people who are from where we're from. It's sort of like the it's considered like the little live. They're like really high academic small schools. Were you, do you have a choice on what you wanted to play in college between football and baseball or football, just a sport that you were good enough to play in college. Hard I think sometimes playing Baseball and football because of the requirements right. It's and as I around my junior year high school Nash Playing Football and baseball. And I was probably better I didn't get a chance to play a lot of organized football when I was younger. Because I was a big kid. I'm not now but I. I was a big kid so. As grade. I was about five foot, nine, hundred seventy five pounds, and when I graduated from high school. About five ten, a hundred and eighty pounds. So. I ended up, you know. Probably my junior year high school senior. High School. I was a fullback and defensive end I was always catcher in baseball, but I. Just I love I love football. I loved I love that aspect that my team was great. My high school teams are really really good. In Eighty seven eight. We had really strong teams in Taunton in, so I started to gravitate towards book on into I. Lifted I started lifting lifting lifting lifting and got more bulky, and you know I have to get bigger and bigger and bigger in that necessarily wasn't really conducive to phone throwing a baseball and all that type of stuff, so my goal was to to was the play Football College, and I was getting recruited by a lot of different schools. The challenge that I faced was. A you know a lot of a lot of coaches, I think I was a really big football player, but when they would see me, I was just small and I wasn't going to be a cornerback or anything like that. wasn't fast enough, so. You know there were schools recruiting me back then holy, cross, a really good program back in that in that time. Brown included me a lot of the Nasdaq. Schools Middlebury Williams Colby toss. And I I really loved. The coaching staff at Colby and they were flexible. You know they thought maybe I was GONNA play fullback in then. when I got there, they WANNA. Try Safe. You I'd never back titled Before You know. I was always more of an attacking defense layer, so then and I wasn't big enough to play any kind of like a defensive end. Say So. Why play his linebacker? So my freshman year extra plants linebacker. and. I had never played that before, but I think my personality and my skill set. Match pretty well with with that and and I was fortunate enough to to play that position and play a lot as a freshman I started playing more and more, and then at the sophomore started started has a sophomore and It was an awesome experience I loved it I loved Colby and my mate. And I set that you love for the game, so you know obviously I have my career goals. I was an English Major. In College and actually had another major in classics, which I studying Greek and Latin. But. I always wanted to work in football. You know so. I was blessed because my senior year. We found talking to my coaches were mentors for me? and. We talked about coaching getting in as a coach with the idea that I would maybe Scott Someday, but getting in and getting coaching background, so we had a relationship with the head coach at Trinity at the time, who was a legendary coach, named Don Miller ru at once so many games and he was just a coach that just I always really admired having played against teams. and so I was able to j. a job which is like a bottom level. Graduate assistant the lowest of the low, but I've got a job. At Trinity, and I started coaching here in Nineteen, Ninety four, and my first coach wide receivers. She was challenging because I never played receiver, but it gave me a really good perspective on how an offense works, and then my second season I coach the defensive line, and then my third season. My coach inside linebackers Before I came to Baltimore to work working scouting with Ati. Did you think you did? was there any part of you like that? During those three years? Where you're like? Maybe I don't be a gym maybe I WANNA. Be a coach. Always think about that I mean for me. It was like opportunities and what could I do? Yeah, wanted to work in football. I wanted to build. But you know there's so many amazing coaches like when you get into coaching at any level like I thought, some of the best coaches had ever seen. Guys that coast you'd be football right and they don't get a chance like they don't get a chance to maybe coach. In the NFL you know it's. It's so hard like if you play at Colby. It's really really hard. To become a coach in the NFL right you know if you grow up in in in Vermont or New Hampshire Massachusetts. It's really really really really hard like many chip Kelly. New Hampshire. You know and just kind of built his career over time and just building building going. It's very very easy to lose patience and get out of the profession. For me! What happened was I'll tell you. I was I was coaching et trinity. And I was in a bar on campus called the TAP. And I met this guy. At least I just finished an internship in scouting. With the The Washington redskins. And it was like a lightning bolt. Just Kinda hit me and I ran back to my apartment over there in Cranston street in Hartford. And I started working on my resume, and I set my resume out to every president. Every head coach every GM. In the NFL and I just listened. Just give me a chance. I'll work for free. I'll pay my way. I just need an opportunity. And, fortunately you know I, had a couple I got response back from basically everybody I still have the letters. Why do you keep them? Well at the time. I kept him because they will cool. Yeah, because they had a letterhead and all that yeah. I'll tell you and I'm not in my office now at. At Work But In my office at work. I've got a letter Ron woolfe. From Nine, hundred and ninety four. and. He's basically saying you know I. Don't have a job for you and this is Ron woolfe. I mean that guy is elated. Of all time guy that I always really just admired and had the chance to meet, and was one of the most special days in my life, when I met him in Annapolis at a navy game, but anyway I had a letter from Ron Woolfe Wolfson. Hey I. Don't have a job for you, but good luck. And You Know Nineteen, ninety four, and then fast forward. Two Thousand Nineteen. I just get name GM. Get a letter in the mail from Wolf. Congratulating me. and. Number One. It's just cool, so we put it together. Side by side in your office. In my office, but the. Best part about it. Is. The signature matches perfectly. Does? So, he signed my letter. Twenty five years right? Yeah, always wonder you know can get him injection ladder you that they really sided who signed? Up whatever it is. The fact that Ron woolfe actually took time to sign my letter back to nineteen ninety four. That's Kinda cool. You know so the side by side as a reminder for me. What you can do. If you put your mind to it and how your life can change, how with an opportunity just a small opportunity? You can basically make your life whatever you want to be and and so that was Kinda. Cool, so I have all. Those I've got one joys. Young I've got one from Bill Bell. Jack I've got a cool one from guy from the raiders, it wasn't Al Davis, but it was like his right hand met at Loka. Sal was his name topped about the privilege of working for the raiders. in typical raiders bravado. but yeah I still have mall in the office I still keep them on I. Show them the people sometimes. When I mean of young people I'll pull them out and just say hey, listen. Don't get discouraged because you can do it. And this is proof that you can do it and you know you try to you. Try to show these kind of things I think sometimes something like that means more of a young person that anything you can say, you know about being resistant in resilient and really chasing your dreams and and so I thought that'd be a good thing to do. Do you so like? How did the first internship habit because it was with the Redskins, so it was just a coincidence that it was the same. Team is the guy he he met in the bar. It was but back to. Another guy that helped me a lot in my career and that's. Thomas Charley casserly and so Charlie and I don't know if this is something that was started. Before, Charlie with bobby bathroom I'm not really sure, but you know. Charlie started off with the Redskins as an intern. Is a great story about him like staying in a Ymca someplace and you know. So. They had the redskins. Had Internship Program Scouting where they would hire like six people a year. And it was. They were all guys like myself and They had the most. Probably the you know, the strongest program internship program. And so I applied. And and I got a call back from Scott Cohen. Who had been a part of that program as well and was not working fulltime for the Redskins as coordinator and scouting and He offered me a job. and it was it was like amazing. It was a life changing thing for me. And I am so the at Trinity and finishing up. ninety four. And You know. It's the spring of ninety. Five and style offers me this job and it's going to be my last season at Trinity, in September but I got a chance to go and work for the Redskin I. was I think I was doing late June? And we actually it was our first training camp. We we didn't they didn't go to. Carlisle year went to Frostburg state. And so I showed up. I drove down. And Like eight weeks, and it was amazing, and that was the year. you know north. Turner was the head coach that was the first training camp. Of Heath. Shuler was the first round. Pick that year. We had on staff. We had Camp Cameron we, Russ Grimm. coach Hannifin who is an amazing offensive line coach like legendary offensive line coach Ray Horton, was on staff I think he was like Assistant DB's coach. made a name for himself as an awesome defensive coordinator. it was an awesome staff man. I was working with some legends and coaching. And so I did some coaching stuff with these guys and help them with the day to day operations into to from scouting. And I remember like three weeks before I was done. Scott, call me in. and Said Hey. Charlie wants you to do a project for him. And it had to do with offense Lineman we had camped at year, and so I spent like twenty five hours a day on this project for Charlie and I felt like it'd be my opportunity to to show them what I can do because no fewer with five or six or seven intern. Man You guys just hoping for a chance. Right anything. STAND OUT! And you're probably competing against each other a little bit. It was a little bit of a competition. They gave me this challenge and I was a little bit older than some of the other interns. It called him for me like when I think about it was like I, got that internship and I knew nobody in the organization and a lot of the other people that were in turn, had kind of a connection to the organization, but I was a little bit older and I had to coach. Might have had a little bit of an advantage, but I just project and ran with it. And when I was done. On, never forget Shirley. Call me, and and he had never really spoken one on one I was nervous. This shit I shouldn't say that, but I was really nervous. and. He said Hey, you got a good job and the you know the might be an opportunity for you down the road here but I think he did a really really good job and I appreciate. You know what how you did it. How you approach to job every single day and I felt really good about it. I felt really good about it and then. I'll never forget like Scott called me. Like a month before the combine. Any, he said Hey, you know. At Trinity. And he said I want you to come out to the combine with us and work with us at the combine. And it sounded amazing like. I wanted to do it so badly. But I I had a commitment and I. Don't remember what it was, but I couldn't do it, I couldn't. I couldn't I couldn't navigate it I. couldn't do it had a commitment out of it, so I felt like it was my one chance, and I was like man. I can't do it and I felt like I blew an opportunity. Big Time. But I remember that year like a like a month later maybe or like. It was maybe like late March early April. I got a phone call from Scott. And Scott he said to me. Hey, I, got your name from Scott Calling. And I WANNA. Talk to you about a job in player personnel. With, with my team and I wasn't sure like it was Kinda weird like I, didn't know all Amex of Cleveland, going Baltimore and all that kind of stuff. had even moved yet. We could. They actually like picked up and move the team yet or is that? I don't think the team. The team was in Baltimore yet. Yeah, but it was announced or whatever it was gonna be something like that it was. So. I had actually applied to law school because I was like finishing my third year at Trinity I didn't know exactly what I was going to do. As I've always been a big believer in education I figured like a lot angry. At least help me I was gonNA coach at Trinity, but is going to at night, so Yukon was actually the only school that I applied to. And I took the l sat on a whim. I just drove I rode my bike actually the. University of Hartford. took the else at over there and applied. And I had the chance to go to Baltimore So An interview so I. I never forget. This is so cool because. I never really been on a plane like three times in my life. At that point, you know. We went down and Orlando with kids with my family. And I went on Spring Break College. That was the second time. In the third time I ever was on a plane was when I flew from Hartford. Down to Baltimore, my interview in May of that year, one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety six. And? It was cool. It was so different. We had no email the only thing back then. There was a tactic came. And I opened up the Fedex and it had an actual airplane ticket in Hillsdale tickets here. It was so cool. I came down to Baltimore Joyce called keenest. Pick me up at the airport. Who Works with me now they're my best friends in the whole world. And I came here. And one of the one of the things I. Think about it was so when I was. At Trinity in one. Thousand Nine hundred ninety four. We interviewed a guy for job and he was gonNA be my roommate. We lived on campus and I have played against his kid. and he went to Wesley and his name was Eric. Mangini is so we often men Genia job. At Trinity in he took it. Used to be was from Connecticut and. Both Hi Buffy High and you know I think. He was fired up. Take job. He was GonNa Coach the defensive line. Maybe it was the offense remember, but he was going to take it, but he had had an opportunity to do an internship with Cleveland Brown. Right and I think it was the equipment room. Maybe maybe it was pr I'm not really sure what it was. But he say I'll see you guys when training camp starts. Never showed up. Because? He got a chance to stay in Cleveland. Just anyone would do that I. Mean Nfl sure the Nasdaq, so he stayed. So when I came down to Baltimore to interview. What are? These Eric Mangini? What reunited again, you know. We played against each other. He almost work for me at trinity in involved while he was the assistant offensive line coach with Kirk Ferrets. People probably would be surprised to know. That bunny was and I think he was and. So, we work together. was guy interview with Ozzy and with Phil Savage and Scott the Oli and a bunch of other people. And You know they were? It's interesting I didn't even know this. Until recently. I knew that less need was one of the other candidates for the job that year and Lester took the job Jacksonville. Right Legrand Hill who somehow But the other guy. That I think they offered the job to before because I was a third choice wasn't even the first, I must have bombed the interview. Nobody else, but the other guy that they interviewed who I think they were interested in hiring was Paul, deeper, Desta. You know a lot of people know from moneyball but you. Know now he's he's worked for the Cleveland Browns at an executive vice president, for the Cleveland, Browns, and I think. Paul had been working in Baltimore. Maybe maybe for the stallions or something I'm not really sure. you know he was a football player. I believe at Harvard and. So they offered him a job, but he had a chance to go to the Indians. And so because because Scott the. Mark Shapiro were friends. So anyways, I was the third choice. My job. Baltimore back then was a really cool place. We weren't very good, but we have some amazing people working in the building. You know and it was a galaxy of stars. You know we had Jim Schwartz. Yet Eric Mangini, we had Marvin Lewis. Reactor experience we had Pat Hill. you know there's so many? People working there. Scott the Oley. Bill savage both GM George Kookiness GM. Did your any idea? Did you have any idea how good the people around 'cause I? You I mcveigh this same question about the redskins staff fourth. Meighan Kyle Shanahan and Asked him the same question. I think it's interesting. Did you guys know how good the group was there? Then, or is that just something as a young kid in his twenties? You just sort of okay. I'm in the NFL I'm just trying to figure it out. I was just trying to survive. You know. I was trying to learn, and I would try to survive, and I was trying not to screw up. I didn't want to call attention to myself. I was used to evaluate myself and. You know people would say. They were five of me in the building and I thought that was a good day. It'd be like man. You're all over the place and you know back then we were small. We didn't bring a lot of people from Cleveland. we had a small organization and I was the one Guy Scott and I was the one player per personnel assists, and now we got by right back then it was just me. And so. I worked very closely with Phil savage very closely Scott. you know I was blessed? That Ozzy! Gave me an opportunity and gave me a chance to learn from him worse so different I just said this recently. You know I'm a small white guy. From Northeast liberal arts education. the African American Hall of Fame Player big, Guy played it Alabama totally totally totally different. But he gave me an opportunity, and he gave me a chance, and he didn't he didn't. Grade me or evaluate me based on himself. He was objective gave me a chance, and he trained me every single day. Homey and we look at players together. You tell me what to look for. You'd give me more and more opportunities. Give opportunities to hang out with them. to washed, evaluate to learn any game chance to grow and then. That's one of my goals. You know that I can do that. For other men and women It'd be as be as kind, and it's humble is ozzy was with me? So. It's an awesome place to work back then I mean. What was your job like when you like in ninety? Ninety six. And that was like like. I've seen like the old NFL films. I was watching something where like it was literally like I. Think Think you guys were wearing white helmets like we did. We have white helmets and we are stationary. was just white. It had a white helmet. Is Baltimore Football Club? Who you know when you told people that you work for the Raymond's people thought was Canadian League football team. you know especially where we had Baltimore stallions. But back then. We would try to turn the roster as much as possible and we were doing workouts every single day. We signed so many guys. And when you sign a guy, you you, you spend a lot of time with physicals. So I spent so much time. Taking players. To Get physicals picking players up at the airport. And we would like the original island of misfit toys every we would bring in these players anywhere. Anybody that we had a chance to help our team. We bring them in, so we did and you know we. COACHING STAFF I spent as much time working with the coach, and he says I probably working in scouting, because we were so understaffed and but that help like. Do you think like? As a young kid and it sounds like your job. Maybe that first job he had before he became an area scout was just sort of maybe correct me. If I'm wrong, it sounds like the way you're describing sort of fill in with. Whatever's needed right well. Yeah, yeah, so do you think like the fact that you weren't a place that forced you to do? A lot of different things like helped? Maybe accelerate your development as a scout. The biggest thing it did for me, Albert was enforced me to. Build! Relationships strong relationships with people. And You know I I say this a lot. You know and you can't do it alone. You gotTa have mentors. You Got Avenue relationships. You can't be looking at phone all the time. We're in a cubicle walking down the street texting somebody you gotTa have face to face and so back then you know I. I developed amazing. Relationships that to this day. Mean as much to me of anything and so guy like Kirk. Parents who was an incredible friend and mentor to me. you know we were? We would run together with Ozzy at lunchtime. Marvin Lewis Talk to him all the time. You know even when he was a coach for the Bangles, which is challenging. Marvin Lewis has helped me as much as anybody he's. An amazing person in a great friend, my relationship with coach Marchibroda. was unbelievable and I mean I could tell you so many stories about coach, but. You know he'd be on me. To help him, you know. I drove him to a funeral in buffalo one time for. College teammates. L., I drove him at the at the at the West, when it was out in San Francisco and Palo, Alto and took them the pebble beach. It'd be just drove around because he wanted to see it. It just being able to listen to him. Talk about the Gade or talk about football hours and hours and hours hours to be able to run with coach parents every day at lunch and talk about offense alignment that he coached while Williams, Orlando Brown what made those guy, Special Tony Jones. You know his his his his stories about. About Joe Moore who was a legendary office? The line coach Marvin Lewis talking about the steelers. You know players that he'd Coast Lamont Kirkland guys like that. You know you know what you had to be like. Play for the steelers in the three four defense, those kind of things personnel all those kind of things. That developed me as much as anything I. Did individually as much anything I did watch him. Players Scout players. It's those relationships that developed me as much gnashing out, so it's almost like you saw like maybe like A. Somebody else like somebody might see like. Oh well, I don't really want to do this I. Don't really want do that or I got to drive this guy here. You kind of view them as little opportunities right like. A little opportunity to get to know this guy. This is a little opportunity to pick something up from this. Or understand this a little bit better. It was like almost like what you see is like the like. What a lot of people would see is like. Oh, I'm just paying my dues. You actually saw those those little things as opportunities. Yeah, you know I think my staff now they hear me say this all the time, but. You've got to be willing to exploit any opportunity that you see that's the game. Everybody is operating under the same rules, but how you gain an advantage, and so and so for me. I always felt like I was never the biggest kid I was never the fastest kid I was never the smartest kid. But if you gave me enough time. And I had a good understanding of what it was gonNA take to win. I'd figure out a way to game the system. And I've learned that one way to do that in any walk of life any industry. If. To be a good listener. Asking questions for relationships. To Be Nice. And to stay in touch with people into to appreciate the fact that you don't know everything in the having a growth mindset, which is basically understanding that you're not where you need to be. In there are a lot of ways to get there, and you have to work relentlessly to get to that point. And I think a lot of young people. Unfortunately nowadays, they don't necessarily approach their day that growth mindset, but I think there's so many really smart people out there that are willing to help you. You've got to be willing to accept that help, and if you do that, you'll get way much more back than you put into it. You go from so all right, so you start with that like in your. You know going out for the jogs and you're driving Marchibroda into the. Buffalo all this different stuff you're doing and now you kinda like I would think like the big break for us becoming an area scout right now you've got real responsibility and like you're sort of in charge of this little world. Of all these colleges that you're, you're responsible for all that. How big a step was that in like how because it seems like from there? It was just sort of like now now now you've got some momentum so like am I, right to say like becoming the area scout of the Midwest for the Ravens was kind of your big breakthrough in then, how what do you think the key was to sort of taking that as a positive momentum and turning it into the next job? Well, I think that they made me the mid west out, but it was kind of reluctant reluctantly an obvious part because. I think that he really valued me in the office and he wanted to be in the office, so I got a chance to do the Midwest, but I didn't have to live in the mid West. By the way for people who don't know like a lot of times, the area scout will actually live in the area, but you stayed I stayed in Baltimore because you wanted me in the office when I wasn't on the road which again. I looked at as a huge opportunity. So I would leave. I would leave in like August. Whatever it was and I would drive my car and hit hit the schools in Pennsylvania and then hidden Ohio and then you could go a couple of different ways you can go up into. Michigan go down South in Kentucky whatever it was, but I wouldn't do a huge loop and I would end up. I had about seventeen states that would do a huge loop and then by thanksgiving. I was finished up back in Baltimore and that would fly back periodically I'd fly back like two or three weeks. After. which my car out there, that's not typically the way that. An Area Scott Do. It probably wasn't the best way. In terms of. You know sometimes getting information. Because if you living out there in your area, sometimes, it's easy to get information from the various schools, but it was awesome for me because I lived in Baltimore and I still felt a strong attachment to the team. The time scenario scout can feel a little little bit detached from the club because it's really not in the office unless you get the draft time. but for me. You know I had seventy states. And I got a chance to do so many evaluations. And and I've always loved the aspect of evaluating players from watching the tape in grading what you see, and and really honing in the makeup of the player what motivate player in all those different things. And and I took a lot of pride in that, and and fortunately I take some my training at Colby as an English major help because really as a scout. Your primary focus is to to evaluate the player, but then be able to express what it is that you see. Some guys have an unbelievable ability to evaluate a play. They can't communicate the evaluation session makers, but for me as an English Major. That was easy to do and and so I did that. Starting in ninety seven. And I did that, too two thousand All two. Zero three. So you want soup. Guys won a super bowl in there to resume. We did yeah we did and it was cool. And you know Feel savage did an amazing job as skying director, and I worked very closely with bill We had a really good staff guys. George Kookiness Vince newsome. Terry mcdonagh you know we. We had a talented group scouts back then. In it filled an awesome job and and I learned so much from Phil I learned so much from odd. Scott left after the nineteen sixties and. To go work for the jets. Right! but Lonzo by cow was in scout that was influential, demeaning early days. Ron Marciniak. WHO's legend in the scouting business? Who passed away this past year? It was a mentor for me. As well Ernie plank was an old school scout who was invaluable to me, and then we had some office. Guy Tj McRae. Who's WHO's a really really good evaluator? An executive, a joy, tease, young guy. With me. Challenge Sanders WHO's working for the jets now Joe Douglas I was fortunate enough to train Joe D at an office guy when he started. He will. Remember in hardened. The Turkey. He was the Turk, so but yeah. Being a Scott was great. I did that through the nineteen two thousand two season, and then I became the college guiding director two thousand three. Year that we drafted. And how Bowler and Mussa Smith Jerry Johnson Tony Passos all those guys. I was my first year as a Scouting Director College Director Phil got promoted to the Director of player personnel and then Starting in two thousand five. Left at that point, become the GM the browns. And that was really when I start the truly run the scouting meetings in two thousand five. Which you know I've done pretty much since the thousand five run the draft. Probably, what would I most involved with day to day? Even now as a general managers is the draft process and the meetings and try to evaluate every single player in the draft that we're interested in my roles have changed i. mean I got some promotions and along the way you know? George left to become GM Cleveland and two thousand nine I became director of player personnel, and then assistant GM along the way I think two thousand eleven maybe in an GM last year. was there a player that you found as an area scout? That was the particularly proud of give. Some insight into how that happens. Is there one that you can think of or even? When were a college scouting director? Is there one that sort of sticks out is like? You know I mean a find. A. Guy That I was proud of was was Tony Weaver Anthony Weaver, that defensive tackle defensive end at Notre Dame. And You know he had a great makeup. And he really fit our defense now. What was interesting? About Tony he was he was two thousand two traffic. and. Mike and Mike Nolan was defensive coordinator at that time Mike was. One of the smartest defensive coaches and he knew the defense I mean he knew fourth. We knew free voicemail guys. He's an excellent, excellent excellent evaluator. And what I remember and Mike would stay now. I think he didn't like. Tony reba coming out and sometimes coaches and scouts. Butt heads about players. and he didn't think that Tony was that. Good of a play was going to be that big of a player. And and so I pick that year was a guy named Reid. was the twenty six I think he was twenty. Six might have been twenty four I, think whatever was he was the lowest rated player still available when we picked in the first round. And we took it. And then we took Tony Weaver and I think I don't think mike was fired up about. But I remember walking off the field minicamp with Mike. And he said Hey Those two guys. They're going to be sensational force. And I think about that. because. We had sort of like broken up the team like our defense in two thousand and was. Was Awesome Right. You let a Lotta players go. You know cap, casualties and stuff. Following the two thousand and one season. And so two thousand two was kind of lean year! And the two thousand three. We had very low expectations. But we both at defense back up again very quickly, and Tony was a big part of that defense, and he ended up being really good, and Mike was like man. You guys know that pick and it. Music agreements that good scheme fit for us, and you played really really really hard. He had a great career, and now he's coach and he's an awesome job as coach. He's just got a great makeup. Great personalities, physical tough player and I thought that was that was. Was that knowing the player then because I mentioned building relationships like? Area Scouts especially a lot of times. The job is like you're almost like half. Half your jobs almost like you're. You know what I mean like you need to know people on the ground, and you need to be able to kind of get a Gig Gig good and forget good reliable information out of these programs so I'm assuming that was part of it. What weaver. Yes. That's what really. Makes a great area Scout. I mean anybody can watch tape, and it's the catch. Abolish got run really fast or see a guy. Break a tackle whatever that might be you know I mean. Societies literature with. Excellent, WanNa be scouts I mean that's what we do for a living. I do it. I watched players now the sports. This guy is not any good of this guy's really good. You know we're all critics but I. think what really makes scout is the termination that dogged determination. To find out. WHO This person is. And that about a lot of leg work that involves You know building relationships with people and and that's challenging I mean. That was always something as an area scout. That I found one of the most challenging parts of the job was. was was reaching out to people I'm a little bit of an introvert in a little bit more shy and public I'm not going to be the type person that just you know. you know. We do personality, testing and and You know that tight be personality. It'd be like a guy that has like a salesman mentality. You Know Gregarious talked a lot of people. That's not me. A lot of the best area. Scouts are able to walk into a room. And Talk to somebody that they don't know very well. Introduce themselves relationships. Get Information so for me. That was always a challenge I had to force myself to do that. Sitting in the Tate Room and watch them twelve hours. A day came easy to me. You know Steph in the player. Strengths and weaknesses as a player came easy to me, but what makes them great area scout is all the information that they can get. Get to supplement that evaluation so that when I listen to them, talk about the player I can picture the play as a player, but also picture the player as a person off the field motivations desires you know, durability with the coaches will say about him ability to learn off character on feel character, those types of things. You can't get a lot of times by watching the tape, but that's really where the secrets office. and. It's like yeah. I mean that way your jobs like I guess not that much different than our job. You Know Hispanic building relationships, and being able to kind of it's getting good reliable information getting people to trust you and all that. Eric, you had a lot opportunities you know and I think like you started to get on the GM list's. I mean maybe over a decade before you wind up becoming the GM of the Ravens. Did you ever come close to leaving like because I know? You've been routed there and everything else. Did you like it. was there ever one or two? That like you really gave you pause? You're like. I really got to think about this. I mean yeah, you do think about him. You have because you just especially as you start getting older like it was easy. You know it was easy when I was like thirty, eight, thirty, seven, thirty, six, whatever it was. To not think about it so much because you're still young man and you realize. Fortunately I was able to realize that. The grass is not always greener and I looked at chose experiences in Cleveland Georgia experiences and Cleveland and other people. I wanted to make sure that I can learn. Everything I could to succeed. But I think that as you get a little bit older, and you start to see some of your peers taking jobs, and you know that these clubs WanNa hire you. It could be a little tough but I think for me. A couple of things factored in number one. My wife lacy is from the area. She grew up here. Her family's here and this is a business in Scouting and coaching. It's a twenty four hour seven day a week job so having family close by that. My wife could rely on. I felt like that would make me better. That would make me better at my job going. She had so much support number two. My relationship with Ozzy. And his willingness. Always extend. So much help. To me to succeed advice our friendship that developed. To me that that was a a valuable valuable valuable thing, and then the third thing I think was Steve Bisciotti. Our owner And his trusted me in space and me do my job and our relationship. You Know Stephen I. Probably you're in a Lotta ways very much like even share the same birthday and we've always had a strong relationship and we can fight and argue. But. We've always. You know we always had a good relationship I know he trusts me and and I always really trust him. I knew at some point, probably a two thousand seven. That in a perfect world. He wanted me to be as general manager. Someday you don't And it wasn't until about maybe two thousand ten. That I think it was two thousand ten. That I started getting like opportunities every single year and I two thousand ten was was Seattle. And and You know I was intrigued by that Opportunity Young. And You. Know obviously the organization, but Seattle. Cool town I'm kind of an urban guy and a lot of ways and someway here But I think when it when it came down to it, and that was when the John Snyder and p Carroll But I think when when it really came down to it, all I wanted was really just. I wanted assurances. I wanted to reassurance from Steve that I was still the guy you know and and I always felt like Steve wanted me. That I wanted the Ravens, and that's wasn't. My mindset was going to be, and we would talk every year. We I would say you still feel the same way. I still feel the same way. two thousand eleven, and maybe they're like four or five teams it. Bible really wanted to maximize my value professionally. Two thousand eleven. I probably could have done that. You know There were some teams five teams, and it's been a forty eight hours. All. Wanted to interview me. It was like a feeding frenzy, but again and it was hard and you know. I was getting information, a lot of people talking to a lot of people, people think I was crazy. He probably still do that. People tell me man you crazy staying, Baltimore. But I don't know I. I always Admire Albert. You'll appreciate this like when I think about the the asking or the teams that I really admired over the years. There are a lot of them that stay with one team their whole career the Larry Bird's your world. Call you stransky think the way that I grew up. You know when I think about a guy like. You Know Ray Bork. or You Know Jim Rice. Guys like that. I just think there's a beauty sometimes when you could stay one place, you know the whole time your whole career and so for me. I grew up as raven start at the bottom, and then there was me. And I just feel like in a perfect world. If I could stay, do it replace Ozzy. Alleged I mean my greatest friend and mentor in this business. If I do that that they would be beauty, and I know he wanted me to. We talk all the time he would say. Eric I wanted to stay. It was stated be become his successor. But he was like man. I want to stay and I knew Steve One of these day. My wife wanted me to stay. So you know what I stayed. The other aspect of it was a lot of guys will say that their biggest challenge when they leave is. They have to start over with all these new people. And I thought if I'm going to really maximize my chances to succeed. Let me do that with George. Co keenest enjoy horror, teas, and PAT, Moriarty and Kevin Burn and you know. Our trainer at the time Mark Smith Bill Tests, running Edmund trainer. Now John Hough, our coaches the best in the business. Let me do it with these people who I know rather than. Go someplace else and have to learn all these people's personalities and skill sets. Let me do it with people that I. Know and trust. You think like. If I told you though in two thousand ten or eleven, it's GonNa take another eight or nine years. You think you might have looked at differently back then because I think and I remember there being rumors that could ozzy go be the Alabama the. There were like you know. I'm sure you. There was some grey area than when it was guy. Do. You think back then like and I know this is kind of hypothetical. You'll never have to really confront this, but like I mean it just sort of played out the way it played out, but do you think if you've been told back then? That would have taken eight or nine years. You would have done it. I think it's it's it's. It's been hard for me. Crimes. But. I I tried to be patient. I'm not a patient person, but I tried to be patient and wait it out. There were probably times when I would. I would be frustrated maybe once. But again the relationships the joys that I would have gone to the office every day worked with my best friends I mean obviously Steve has done a great job. Taking care of my family and and I knew that the future was going to happen. At some point, it took a long time, but That's kind of been. Maybe the story of my my life. You know like the best things that I've ever happened me. They don't ever happen right away. They take time. You know. You always want what the things to happen so quickly in. That's never really been my story. It's always been work and work and work and patience in first appearance. It just kind of opens up for me, so yeah, there were times man I. Think about it. There were times when I get frustrated. Maybe a little bit, but we will winning. You know John and he just did such a masterful job. Especially like in two thousand ten. two thousand eleven two thousand twelve. And I learned so much news an opportunity for me to let so much that I didn't know and You know I love working with our scouting staff. I had a lot of autonomy in the department. Do what I wanted to do the day to day. Certainly Autumn is making a found decision on players, but he gave me tremendous latitude. To get to that point. However, I wanted to get to that point. And so you get frustrated. Of course you would and then when you'd see your peers guys. That started later than you or whatever and you knew you could have that opportunity. Maybe if you wanted it, they were times. Never get frustrating for sure and I think but but I think that. GM's. Around the League they respected me in the end. That's what you want. You want to just have respect. I was respected and You know it all. It all worked out. Fortunately am happy and I'm blessed, and you know the best part about it. I think. Is that the names of all the same into building? And even Ozzy's still with me every day and we work closely together every single day and It's been a perfect storm for me, and it's been really really enjoyable. What kind of advantage as far as doing the job you're in now? Do you think it gave you that like you did have like I've heard a lot of GM say like all right like you get a job. It's like now and all this. Stuff's crossing your desk. You never saw before. In a lot of guys jump around from organization to organization so I. I think you'd agree that. Your passes like atypical. It's not what the normal path to becoming GM is I mean for one. You've never been fired right? which is like amazing like most guys get fired when they're young and something happens, and it's not always their fault, but generally something like that happens like. How do you made you better at your job that you didn't go into like the? You're sort of eased into it. You know what I mean like that. Maybe Ozzie could kind of gradually give you more and more rather than being a guy who, maybe it was like a director of player personnel or a college pro director somewhere just jumping into new new job somewhere else and having to learn everything on the fly. Yay. That's a gift. You know, and not he had that ability as a as leader and as a manager. he he just. He gave me opportunities. So many. Even when I wasn't even qualify for that opportunity would extend himself and give me access to sit in a meeting. You know even back to like. Two thousand two thousand one. He, put me in charge of trades in the draft room. And here I am now. You know I'm thirty years old. I've only been league five years I've only been three years and he says Eric. I want you to handle the trades, which is a very important job during the draft. And he put me in charge of that. And and I mean that had tremendous impact on my career dealing in that room, the head coach in the owner and general manager, it wouldn't have fallen rings. They're calling me. And I have to stay off. This is good trade. We should do this trade, or we should not do this trade or whatever it is. back then. We didn't even use Jimmy Johnson chart yet. We were doing our own deal. which is basically just being aware of all the other trades they've ever happened. In Fair value. That's a gift you know. Ozzie did that in any any constantly allow me to. Succeeding grow and challenge myself and and I and I'm blessed that I got a chance to see the evolution of the Ravens from that white helmet. To where we are now with you know to super bowls and I don't know how many playoff appearances is thirteen, twelve, thirteen, thousand and twenty four years Divisional Tiles, AFC title Afc Championship Games whatever it might be all the all the great players. Over the years at Ati drafted and that we've been around Pogo Hall of famers players like that. I've been blessed to see the the organization. The friend grow as it has. The part of that, and so when that happens, then you start to see the development of what we call culture in what that looks like the culture of the organization. And that resonates with me. F! You're like I grew up in that culture. It's like a small child and you grow up in a family. You're still invested in it, too, because you were there. Like you were there when nothing exist meal, you're there before the logo existed so like that's probably that part of it I. Think is like amazingly meaningful right because you saw the whole thing thing. Here by the, you can't buy that institutional knowledge. Right you just. You can't buy that. And and so here! I am now thirty. Years Old. Thirty one years old, thirty two years old and I'm in coach. Bellies Office. And he's talking to me about the draft or the players he's looking for. and. With that worth. You know what does that work never builds up and builds up like coins in jar, and eventually you get to the point where the jars full. Yeah and so just those experiences. Meant the world to me and still do being with one club you know I've never been fired I probably won't be fired some day, I my wife's wanted to find a few times. but I i. just appreciate this place. the history of the Ravens what it means. I think I'm you know? I'm more than one hundred percent invested in the Baltimore Ravens. Franchise in this community, and I love Baltimore I. Mean I'm a Boston Guy Thune for. You'll never find someone more Boston. They but this is my home. And I I think some pass people in Boston. Don't want to hear that, but in my love, for for Boston is strong strong as ever I mean I'm going up tomorrow. If you've tried, but but Baltimore is homeless. Community our fan base. I love that, and so for me, that's really the sizzle. The says the wasn't going somewhere to be. You know one of the highest GM's in the league the sizzle for me. was finishing what I started, and if I can work my whole career here as a member of this franchise and I'll be blessed. I got three things, and we'll get Outta here just on where you are right now the first thing. How important is your relationship with John Harbaugh. A lot about that and I mean. I think that that's probably taken down. More football operations than anything in the time I've been covering the league. At least when that there's there's issues there like. How do you view your relationship with John, Harbaugh, and the importance of it within the building. Well, the word I would use his paramount. you know before I became GM I. Think there are some people that put some stuff out there that John butted heads. And that's that's treachery and poison and subterfuge. which is another good word. But you know John and I have always had a strong relationship. I think we're both stubborn, and sometimes we're both sort confrontational and. We're both emotional. And and that's a different that I have versus Ozzy. WHO's not outwardly emotional person? I'm more emotional. But I think John and I. We work extremely wealthy. Get it because. We both have. A passion to. Be the very best. And we'll be aggressive in our pursuit of being the very best and you know we'll probably butt heads and fight. Sometimes they may not always agree with me. But he knows I care as much as he does and I know he cares as much as I do. And I appreciate his perspective on things in his opinion on things His role as a as a husband as a father as a family man. What's and the Ham resonates with me and we're neighbors. I mean literally enlist hundred fifty yards over there. He's got a big house than I do, but I see that's. Right yeah, but but I think John. We spend time together every day in the office and I think we're we are aligned in our vision for the team. I look at my job as a service job I'm here to serve him as best as I can provide him with the best players that I can provide a framework so that he can be successful in his job coach of the team, and if he can sixteen in his job with our players and were probably pretty team. So we work well together. We communicate daily We really do discuss every important decision that either he makes I make. we included other people in those decisions is the is coordinators. Guys on my staff Pat George Joe Those Kinda guys. and we collaborate on all these important decisions in most, and then you know what if he has to make tough call I trust him to make tough call and I know this to. If I have to make tough call, he'll say to me Eric. You gotTA. Do you think is right? And he trust me and do that, and so the synergy is there. I was blessed to see ozzy with coach. Marchibroda Ahi was coach Belic, and then Ozzie which coach Harbaugh, and so I know what it can look like when it's done well, and my goal is to make sure it's always done well in Baltimore. Okay number to. You I think a Lotta Times. You draft a player and it can impact the way. Maybe you and I've just heard this from different guys. That can impact the way you look at things. Did the evaluation and drafting of Lamar Jackson in two thousand eighteen change the way you look at scouting in any way, look at football in any way because I think I don't know. Maybe Lamar isn't a first round pick twenty five years ago. So did the whole process going through that and finding Lamar, and then winding up, pulling the trigger and drafting Lamar and then seeing him developed the last two years. Has It changed anything for you as an evaluator? Well I think. You know specifically to Lamar, you know. There are certain people I give. A lot of credit to in their evaluation of the Marin is his strength and You know I think. There, there've been Mardi morning way. Are Scouting Staff. They saw some some real strengths game some milk. Freakish ability some things that he did extremely well and look at listen. Every player is different and all players I don't care who they are. They have strengths and weaknesses. But I think that some of the guys that I mentioned some of our scouting staff. They were able to really figure out what the market really do well. And then the challenge was. Once we got 'em. How could we build around him? To? met his drinks. You know. How can we build an offense around the Lamar utilizing those rare qualities that he had understanding that he's going to continue to get better and better and better and better. You. Know it took. It took some some courage to do that. But and we made some decisions with other players on the that we felt were either grin fits and not good fits whatever that might be. A WE KINDA had and I. It here's where I really give Roman. A tremendous amount of credit because Greg. Was did a great job of explaining what he wanted. This thing that look like what type suppliers were important to us. where we needed help. Look like what was important how we could get better. What were the moves had to make so a lot of moves to be made. We really made around Mar- I think if there's if there's one thing that I learned From the Lamar thing is that. Know. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to fail in this business because most of the time you're gonNA. Fail Anyway. I, mean you only GonNa win? Want one team's GonNa win. Everybody else is GonNa feel like a failure. We go to the senior bowl every year. I see. Sturdy other teams. That have just as miserable as I am. We don't win the other two teams. They're going to be playing in the super bowl, but everybody else miserable, so don't be afraid to fail. It had been it would have been pretty easy to not trade back in the first round to take a chance on the Mar-. But. Don't be afraid. I think sometimes. We, think risk management. is is really being a good thing and sometimes risk management it can. Still it can stunt your progress at your growth So. I mean we were very very fortunate that we got Lamar and as good as his talent is. When he has up here is even better, but he hasn't. Here is even better and that drives him every day to be the very best you can be. He might be. A nine out of ten or eight out of ten. Ten out of ten is an athlete, but as a quarterback. When he came in, maybe he was an eight or nine out of ten. This up here in this in here. That makes him an eleven out of ten. And it drives him, and that's really what him the bay best he can be so. How'd you find out by Luke? How did you find? How'd you figure out that that part was somebody that was key to figuring out? What's up here and what's in there? With him. Good drafts or is that some of the really outing? Guarding talking to people talking to people that he worked with day to day coaches deming people. The interview process our coaches spending time with him. Little things that you observe were Catholic type things that you see. You know It's it's it's it's it's everything. It's not one thing. It's all these little data points at all kinds of work together as a mosaic that we use that we look at, and it's just it's everything and you're never one hundred percent, and we make a lot of mistakes we do. We make mistakes It's a hard profession that we're not as good as we need to be, but. But. We were not afraid in this instance to go back in and take him and credit goes to Avi The credit goes to John and and the coaching staff. And a lot of credit really does it just goes to Lomar because what he does is the right thing. He's usually doing the right things. Works extremely hard and You know he cares more than anybody else. That's what you want and the quarterback. That's what you want. A leader. A place beat off and so it's it the ideal situation for us. Ok third thing then I think you guys have always prided yourselves on being sort of an innovative forward thinking organization I also know Eric. You're not afraid to look outside of football. And, look at you, know like other sports and so I. I just wonder like what you feel it. The key is for for you guys as an organization, and maybe you now as a general manager at just sort of staying ahead of the curve, you know obviously the NFL everybody people you know team has success, but one thing and you know the next year. A half dozen teams are doing that right like what's the key for you in trying to keep your organization ahead of all that? Well I i. think that's where I come in. Really Yeah I'll be the one thing that I think I'm probably pretty good at the other, a better scouts than me. A better salary cap people. There's people that know more about the game than I do. But I think I have a relentless desire to learn and grow and challenging in motivate, and do things think outside the box and press envelope and you know. How can we get better? How can we get an edge I'm always talking about edge. Outta, we gain value. How do we get an edge? That consumes me in, so we'll continue to do that, you know we talked to people and all industries sport sports teams franchises talked people in the military re talking to people in Business and finance analytic. Whatever that might be you know trying to always find little things that we can steal little things that we can pill for that. We can use that. We can tweet to help the Ravens be the best. We can be and honestly like if you don't have that mindset, and you're probably not a good fit for the Baltimore Ravens Working Scouting and coaching on your organization. That's one thing that's non negotiable. Challenge ourselves every day best as we can. To learn and and keep the open minded consider new ways of doing things with the idea that we have to gain an edge because he's other teams. They're trying to each arrests every single day. And so you've gotta get creative and be aggressive. You can't keep doing the same thing every single year. I think John Ryan Dick ask. President were very united in Alliance on that front and I. Think to so to me. That's something that is important. It's critical as part of the most critical thing we know we're GonNa make mistakes, but let's be aggressive when we make him. And if and if you fail with something, guess what. Another opportunity out there. Let's find it and go after it. Is there a good booker like documentary or something like that that you could recommend like as far as it's been helpful for you anything recent or do you want to keep that to yourself? Good stuff out there. You know there's a lot of good stuff I read a lot You Know I. Just I just read a good book. Think like a rocket scientist. Maximum awesome book You know See Stories is a great book You know there's there's a lot of good stuff out there and you. Just you know I just. I just finished the the new. Book it's not new, but you know talking to strangers that that book is is is really really cool, and you can get a lot of really cool stuff. Scouting in there I think blink was a book when it came out. another Malcolm grab while book that that that really affect the way that I think about things. I love that book but yeah I'm I'm I'm a reader? I I do a lot of that I watch documentaries. I'm into a lot of the military type stuff, not history. There's just so much out there that we can use in different ways to either make ourselves better or make the organization at whole better, so I I think people should spend more time reading Reading things in than than watching movies and TV series I mean this stuff out there too and I regard, but if you really want to challenge yourself, I think you need to go out and find people that are successful. In different ways study what they do and find out what's relevant to you in start doing some of that whether it's. Tim Ferriss of the world or the Ryan Holidays of the world I mean they were really smart people out there. Who can help you beat the very best you can be. All right. So, what are you telling the? Same as like a I year twenty-three-year-old Grad assistant at Trinity Listening Right now, and he's hoping to run into somebody like you in a bar like you were all those years ago. Like what are you telling him if he says like, give me one piece of advice. What is it? Off Questions. Building relationships. use punctuation when you text. The appreciative. seek out advice. And learn how to communicate with people one on one. Pick up the phone and call somebody. Meet individually. You know one on one face time. Learn how to communicate ideas effectively in front of people. You know I mean as a scout if you really want to be a scout or coach for that matter. You're not living in a in a in a world of the Internet. In face to face world where you're going to be asked to describe. A player or you're going to be asked to Concept to a room full players. So if you're not comfortable doing that type of stuff, you probably not going to succeed. So evaluating is one thing. You know the world is learned litter with good evaluators. But. Then how do you take that evaluation? Make it easy for someone like me. Understand. What's important like within analytics? I know analytics is a great big field right now. There are some amazingly intelligent analysts out there in the field sports analytics. A lot of guys that can code a lot of guys who can write algorithms program and do all these things. But that's not. That's not the key. The key is taking that information. And dumbing it down for an idiot like me. In a way that you're speaking to a child so that I can understand all these super complex things and make decision the best people, the best women and men out there. That's what they can do. Suing job. Yeah so interesting you say that because I said that about you guys last year I was like I remember talking about three tight ends, and bringing in you know mark. Ingram combat like trying to put small players in the field against you. Remember, saying that to somebody like the best thing about the way the ravens have built is that I could explain it to a ten year old and I thought I it just hit me one and I I remember going through it and everything that you guys had done to sort of build the offense around the Mar. It's like you could explain it to a ten year old and to me. That tells me that everything you're doing is pretty common sense. Well I think nowadays Albert I think simplicity is is actually sophisticated in some way you know. You know. Think You know there's some there's some awesome books that have been written about apple and Steve Jobs and. I think that the idea of simplicity is still important that company in the way that they. Build their products the way they package products and if they can use really complicated things making them that that people can just. Appreciate the beauty of simplicity, and I think that's what we try to take these complicated things. It's still a game that kids play football. It's not make it. Too complicated. That's not take ourselves too seriously. there's a lot out there, but we still want to always drive towards making it as simple as possible so that the most amount of people can understand exactly what it is that you want him to understand. All Right? That's Eric, Decosta. He's gone from being the kid with the Boston Globe. Sports, section. Spread out all over his parents living room to to now being the Ravens General Manager Eric, I could. I could go for another few hours with the NFL. There's I. really appreciate you coming out.

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Tom Brady, Sean Payton, Cowboys, and Jeanie Buss

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

2:10:45 hr | 1 year ago

Tom Brady, Sean Payton, Cowboys, and Jeanie Buss

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So next week SuperBowl week, and we still continue to react to championship weekend in the saints. Everyone else seems to be onto Atlanta. But the saints are throwing lawsuits in asking for second and third apologies from the NFL for one missed call. But I'm looking at your head at the possibility of the last time we see number twelve now. Full disclosure. I changed my vote on Monday. I've sat in this seat before I have my own show three to sixty time. Twelve to three Pacific follows Cohen show. Whether it's that show or this show, whether it's this network other networks, I previously believed, and I still on some level believe that Aaron Rodgers checks every box. In terms of athleticism armed talent ability to make plays in the clutch booted extend the pocket play through injury lead. Inferior teams to superior results. But what I saw Sunday in Kansas City against the really good defensive line and against it incredible offense where you gotta keep scoring because they're they're going to start scoring would I saw the weekend before when they demolished the chargers what I saw in the Super Bowl last year. They didn't punt what I saw in the Super Bowl for that where they came from twenty eight to three down for the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history. All right. Change them vote. I announced on my show and son Colin show as the best quarterback I've ever seen. Because part of what makes being a great quarterback is not if you check every boxes if you can succeed in spite of the boxes, you don't check. And I don't necessarily want him to retire. Like, you know want to see greatness, go away. And I understand fully understand that there is nothing in his life nothing in his life, which will ever fulfil him. Like, look, I love my kids. I love my wife. I love my family and Tom Brady much like all these other quarterbacks is going to be a success in business and in life outside of football. But nothing will feel the same as being under behind center in front of eighty thousand people in front of a one hundred million people in watching you and walking into that locker room afterwards leading forty six men and coaches into battle have them all eyes on you believing in you, and you tell him they can do it everybody else tell them they can't and you doing it. And then looking at you like you like your God nothing like like I understand why especially quarterbacks don't wanna retire. Like, I get it. It is why. Way. More winning is a more powerful drug than anything else. That's ever been created. Including the illicit kinds because you want more you want more you want more. But but there does come a point in time for perspective. Like, I think that the greatness. I'm Tom Brady was they won even though he didn't play particularly. Well, right. Like, let's not get it. Twisted. He threw two picks which were both on him. And then threw a third one. I don't know if you put it on gronk run him fifty fifty split whatever three interceptions in the chamber of game on the road. That's not good football. He knows it and the game plan really in the first half was not to emphasize the greatness, Tom Brady was to run the football. And I know he overcame three third, and tens, and I know they had a great drive in overtime or cancer. And never got the ball back. I'm not disputing. How awesome is? I just told you I changed by vote which by the way, you're allowed to do like like, rob Parker. You're allowed to take it out. I was wrong. To go. Like, I was really it's okay happens. All the time you let to go. I was wrong. My bed. I didn't think Steph. Curry would be an all star little own a legend wrong happens. It's the percentage of times it happens when people stop listing, and maybe the inability to admit when you're wrong about things. Tom Brady's proven many people wrong. But I was I was watching that game. And I was realizing how close they came to losing. I'm watching the post game reaction. Don't know if you've seen this this footage, but there's foot now Tom Brady walking the locker room shaking hands and hugging all his teammates. And there's a lot of cursing which will bleep out. But he's hugging is. And he's going unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Mckinney. Believe it unbelievable. Take a listen. Game baby. Unbelievable. Love you, man. Unbelievable. He just keeps going around. Unbelievable. You were great. Unbelievable. Do you know why was unbelievable because it was? Do you know why people said they didn't have good skill position players 'cause they don't. Rob gronkowski runs. Like Tom Brady and Tom Brady couple throws. There were more like rob gronkowski throwing the football. And and then you think of it. They started off as underdogs against the Rams. And if you have the if you're old enough, you remember the Rams were the greatest show on turf they had lit up the NFL for two years, and they had hall of famers all over the best left tackle in the league. They had a quarterback who is a perfect fit and Kurt Warner for their system. They had Marshall Faulk arguably the best running back in the history of the NFL. If you really look at Marshall Faulk, he's a groundbreaker in terms of Billy to run it. And then catch it out of the backfield. Hell Torry Holt should be in the hall of fame. So said Isaac Bruce by kind of go through they had everything. And if you go back to that Super Bowl, you remember that that was back when they introduced each individual player now for the LA Ryo for the back through the Saint Louis Rams Kirk Warner they announce every guy, and then it was the New England Patriots were the first team to go. No, no, no, just say patriots. We're going out. Like, no, we won't introduce recognize each. No, no, just say patriots will run out and they all come out. And it was it was an unbelievable underdog story. I like Tom Brady wasn't supposed to be the quarterback. Drew Bledsoe was. They hid his lack of experience. They hid some of his weaknesses, and he still had the Bill, and they probably weren't supposed to be there. Why because the raiders were the better football team if not for the tuck rule. But they want anyway because that's part of the lure the legacy. They'll aura that's part of the story of Tom Brady. Is that he can take his forty six and beat your forty six. And then switch at halftime and take your Forty-six. It'd be their forty six same thing with Bella. Check. But they've been this close several times to the whole thing falling apart and gronk feels like he's done, and though he can be replaced that doesn't mean he's replaceable. And Brady feels like there's there's some there's some miles an hour off that fast ball. I delete eventually is going to catch you. And I just think that this is one of those if you win he can't do it. If you lose. But the thing that Hollywood tries to simulate is what sports actually has which is the happy ending it does exist. John Elway help paid manning. Couldn't throw a football wasn't particularly good and soup will but they won. Anyway. Because the defense was awesome special. Teams was good, and they found a way and you're right off into the sunset. Michael, Jordan, forget the wizards thing. Michael Jordan, holding the follow through in Utah. Like, these things do actually exist and four Tom Brady who will go down as arguably, the greatest athlete. The greatest athlete does not mean greatest having the pure amount of athleticism, but greys athlete terms. A most accomplished. Most successful. Most prolific when it matters the most or how it matters the most. Which is when the buzzer sounds does your team have more points than the other. Because we think scoreboard doesn't matter. Why the hell do we have it up there? Right. They don't award gold medals that people come in second or third or fourth. You got a chance to go full circle start against the Rams. A team that probably didn't belong wasn't the best team in the AFC. Could end against the Rams again. I don't want to chase anybody off into the sunset. But. And I'm I'm not defending rob Parker. I did you wrong. Take the l he did it again. But there's a reason that Tom Brady walked around and said unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. At least thirty times he said it to his teammates. You know, why? Because it really is unbelievable that he's here that they've accomplished this again, I know Bella check will be back. I know they'll figure out a way, I know the jets aren't close, I know the bills aren't closed. I know the dolphins aren't close. But ravens Steelers chiefs chargers. Colts. They're all younger. They're all hungry. They all want what you have. And you were this close to not having it to begin with. There does come point in time, which you can have the storybook ending which Hollywood tries to create tries to put only sports actually has. It's the only place where this actually exists where there really is. A Cinderella Cinderella story. That comes through and wins at the end or a longtime. Great who Derek Jeter right gets a gets a walk off in his last at bat at Yankee Stadium. Like that only happens in sports. And Brady is nine days away from having the greatest ending in the recent future of a history of football. And maybe the greatest ending ever in the history of football. Yes. Elway one one two championships and won his last but to win six and to win your last one and two in your last one against the team, you beat the first time and to do it in remarkable fashion. Every sentence needs a period and your choices continue to run the risk of a Brett farve like season in Minnesota. Right. Like, we do remember that Brett farve came back to Minnesota through the interception in the in in the Superdome. Member of the the Vikings announcer. I'll do that once he's bet farthest what he does risk reward guy. But then Chile was his head coach he sent three guys down a private plane. They bring him back. He's got that dusty old Nike hat. You know, it gets off the tractor gets out playing. All right. We'll do it again. How'd that work out disaster? He lost his starting streak the dome in Minnesota literally collapsed, not figuratively literally collapsed. That's how bad his final year was. And the patriots and the NFL have a mantra which is better year too early than a year too late. And if you're twelve after by your own estimate, an unbelievable win on the road in Kansas City. If you back that up against the LA Rams in Atlanta on Sunday. Why not just call it a day? Six rings is more than anybody can ever fathom nine Super Bowls is more years than most players will ever contemplate playing in the National Football League. I think Brady should walk away. If he wins it. All right coming up next. I'm going to tell you why Sean Payton to the Dallas Cowboys which has been rumored and hasn't been dispelled by either side would be a slam dunk for Sean Payton that's upcoming next in the her be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. Most serial killers don't make any effort to involve the media or investigators. They're very secretive. They don't want to tension. They almost want their crimes to go on notice. But the idea of committing a crime, and then calling the police and bragging about it. That's whole 'nother level of terror. Dear editor, this is only expe- king. If you do not Prentice cipher by the afternoon of Friday. First of August. I will go on a kill rampage Friday night L cruise around all weekend killing bloom people in the night and move on to kill again. The best part of it is that when I die. I'll be reborn in paradise. And all that I have killed. We'll become my slates. From the creators of Atlanta monster comes season two. This is monster the zodiac killer. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app. The two thousand nine hundred NHL all star game Saturday. Eight pm eastern. San Jose is our discover card key matchup. Brought to you by discover get your free credit score card today. Eight if you're not a discover customer it includes your FICO credit score in checking your scorecard won't hurt your credit. Learn more at discover dot com slash credit scorecard. Limitations apply alongside joy Taylor will get to us. We'll get us. The news in a moment. I'm Doug Gottlieb billion for calling. This is the heard Fox Sports radio Fox Sports one iheartradio app. Eric Mangini will join us in a moment. We'll we'll get his take on on. What went so right for the patriots. What went so wrong for Kansas City was that did Bob Sutton deserve to lose his job. Or is it simply Tom Brady, showing wise Tom Brady? And we'll get to the potential game plans for the upcoming super lot to get to at the man genius. There is there are various reports about interest between the Dallas Cowboys and Sean Payton Payton, of course, came to the saints from the Cowboys where he was a member to play collar for Bill Parcells. And the interesting part about these reports is neither side has denied it not that denials or even non denial denials will take us off the scent because we've seen enough denials Nick Sabin. I have to say this. I'm not gonna be the head coach Alabama. Right. How many how many times you have to not more? Like your does. Come to a point. You were like, ugh, I don't believe anything anybody says. But the fact that no one has said anything that Jerry Jones who loves to do his interviews hasn't said Jason Garrett is mock coach Nares, no, Sean Payton coming this way. Like, nothing we have nothing. So let's just offer up the possibility. Right. Would you do it? If you're Sean paid knowing the Jerry's going to be a meddler. That's knowing Gerry is going to be a member as opposed to what he has in New Orleans where his GM and New Orleans is also the GM of the pelicans not really making decisions more him. And Jeff Ireland is doing a great Jeff Ireland was kind of a disaster in Miami as the general manager. But as a as a player personnel guy, they've done a very nice job. Everybody could put they've done a nice job in New Orleans of putting together a young active defense and getting him skill position players, obviously like an album, Kamara and Michael Thomas. But man greasing look so good member. Ju- breeze runs the benefit of playing with arguably the best caller the last twenty play collar last twenty five years in football. That's Sean Payton's in that. Before. There was before. There was McVeigh. There were Sean Payton there's same guy. Any plays in a dome, and it should be pointed out that this year the saints played against a complete disaster of division. Right. May Atlanta's so bad that everybody got fired and everybody was hurt. Carolina. Cam Newton had shoulder surgery yesterday. Couldn't throw a football after a hot start. Suddenly couldn't throw a football. And their defense was so bad. Everybody got fired and everybody got fired and Tampa that that defense that that division was trash, and it will not be trashed for long because he's still have Matt Ryan you still have Cam Newton. And if there's anybody who can fix anybody can fix Tampa and fix James. It's Bruce areas. That's what he does. He fixes the quarterback. So I think the divisions going to be we'll see but feels like it's going to be remarkably better and drew Brees was bad at the end. He just ran out of steam. Same offense, Saint play collar hell even God, Ted Ginn back. Well, they didn't have Ted get ten get back like the pass completion to Ted Ginn that should have set up the game winning touchdown. If the that was that should have been intercepted, it floated. And he got fooled. That should have been picked off heck even the defensive pass interference. That wasn't called that New Orleans is gonna forever complain about right. Like New Orleans continue to complain about the defense. A pass interference is going to be like your wife complained about that thing you did five years ago at the family cookout. I can't believe you said that thing and she's gonna keep bringing up that's door was like dude, it the defensive pass interference is going to be Seahawk guy. Talking about not handing the ball to marshawn Lynch in the Super Bowl. You're not wrong. But we're all so tired of hearing about it already. But how about this part? It wasn't a good pass one. It was an open to you. Gotta throw it to the outside shoulder. If you play the ball. That's and drew Brees threw a ground ball on first down. They'd be better off taking three knees kicking a field goal than what Michael Tommy checks out of a run play. There was the Michael Thomas and unless Michael Thomas shoelaces can catch a football that was a bad pass. So you got a quarterback who like all these guys they get older even in a dome where you can hide some lack of arm strength. You can't hide the drew Brees thing for much longer. It's the saints divisions. Gonna be better or you could go coach the Cowboys whose they don't have to give Dak new contract. They got an elite running back in a lead off of line. They got a pretty good defense. And what's the only thing missing from the Cowboys? What's the only way you could say like, I'm not a huge debt guy. I think he's good. He thinks but play color like all we need is a guy who knows how to draw them up in the dirt. And if you ask people play against Orleans, we're like, you know, cruise not that good anymore. Really bright. They have won wide receiver, and they have one hybrid running back, and that's kind of it. And they dominated like why? Because that guy Sean Payton's that good imagine. If you put them with good younger players and a younger quarterback. I mean. I have to deal with the meddling owner. But couldn't this be the moment, which you go into Jerry, Jerry, you've tried it your way since Jimmy Johnson left and didn't work. Do it. My way you guys did a good job getting good town. All right. You built it up. Let me take it from here. Let me take it to the next step. I if I'm Sean Payton, I don't think it's a crazy idea. I think it's one you absolutely have to have to think about it feels like you topped out New Orleans. Remember when he took over New Orleans that was after Katrina. But people forget the saints were the Browns for twenty years. Like Aaron Brooks won one playoff game. I but outside of that like they were awful. It was a bad franchise. And even though they've gone through three consecutive bad years where they had the worst defenses in football. And they can blame it on bountygate, whatever they want the point is feels like it topped out over there. One. I consider a new home. Here's your Taylor with the news. No heard on the news. This is the heard line news. Another day report about in Tonio Brown. Mike Tomlin in the Pittsburgh Steelers. According to a new ESPN report from Jeremy Fowler's Haman has apparently been telling players that he'll tolerate Brown's antics as long as he's producing at an all pro level. A former Steelers player said Tom on essentially told the group we'll tolerate it now because of what he brings to the THEO but the minute production stops, you don't overlook it. This has been brewing for years. It's just now coming to the surface, and it's probably over. I'm gonna go ahead and say this isn't the best way to manage a player. We're just gonna let you do whatever you want and act. However, you want to treat everyone, however you want and then when you finally start the trail off in production. We'll let you go and whatever carnage is left, by the way, we'll figure it out. It feels like you start this process at the beginning before you give him the big contracts. It doesn't make any sense to me it it it doesn't. But it's the reality is I think it's the reality of the contract. I there's not when the owner comes out and says the season doesn't see much possibility of coming back. And now all of a sudden, they're they seem to be changing their tune, it feels like they talked to the money guys to the salary cap guys. And they were like, you gotta make this work. You're going to have to make this work. You know? I mean, I I still feel like there's a possibility they all get in a room together and hash it out. I mean, it's not unheard of that you figure things out. I it just it just seems like all this was avoidable like from all accounts. This wasn't who he was before. He was at the beginning beginning of his career. Maybe. Not right before he was paid at the beginning of his career. This didn't seem to be his personality, and it's become this because of stardom which which happens, and I'm not saying Antonio Brown is a bad guy either. It's just the situation falling apart and Pittsburgh. And it's probably time for everyone to move on. Sometimes you just overstay your welcome. And the situation is not right for you. I just feel like a lot of this falls on Mike Tomlin, like I know everyone can say, oh, well Antonio Brown doesn't have to act this way. But Mike Tomlin created the culture that is the Steelers in this particular state that they're yes. I would also say that the contract created this culture like this is really bad for remember the Steelers forever. And you know, this better than anybody. Right. Is that the Steelers forever had drawn a hard line and not paid anybody? Right. And like this was the one guy they relented to and now it's coming back to haunt them. And so to me almost dealer, I'm like look between the lady on thing in this thing. And I know they're different. But the idea that guys that are superstars talent wise one gets the contract. He's always one. Wanted and gets the guarantees that he'll be Steeler like that's what this has. It's impossible to trade him because twenty one million dollars in the cap. It is a ridiculous percentage for one play this year, the weight at his contract is structured if they trade him it won't affect them for the next two years. It's obviously, all these contracts are very complicated. But they're they're they're going to take a loss. Right. Because not only are they losing money. They're losing Antonio Brown. Right. It doubly punitive. I'm not going to get good value for him in return, not going to get appropriate. Outside of that house. And you have how many years left have been Rothberg or you can say, you know, they're trying to say, well, he's just in his prime like, okay. Okay. Right. So say you have two or three years of him. You lose Antonio Brown and that cafes and lady on bell for a year that almost feels like a lost year. So it kills anyone's desire to hey, I want to reset the market and get a big contract. Look what happened last time. We did. Right. So Kim Newman under the knife yesterday for his second shoulder surgery and three years Panthers announced that he went under and arthroscopic procedure on his right shoulder and found that works. Mike Garoppolo reported at this is not major surgery for Cam. But Carolina is reluctant to put a timeframe on his recovery. He missed the final two games season with shoulder soreness. And you know, he also had this surgery on the same shoulder on a torn rotator cuff in March of two thousand seventeen. Okay. I'm not a doctor didn't stay at a holiday and express. But I'm an offer up a a thought here. Okay. The team surgeon performed this surgery, and I'm not trying to take away from team surgeons. But if they major shoulder injury go to Dr James aims. You know, it's a short little flight hell, you can even drive their from Charlotte. But if it's a minor procedure you have the team doctor, do it's fun. It feels like this is a minor procedure. It did look like there's a major problem because he couldn't throw a football who's the guy with a major cannon for an arm, but just a guess without knowing what's going on inside his shoulder. If it was a major deal, you go to the best of the best of the best because you're Cam Newton. And you can't replace that shoulder if it's just a little clean up or some sort of impingement he have the team doctor doom, which is what they did. I also am not a doctor. However when you have the glasses. Doctor. Yes. Now right now, I just look like. Mortesa from out of I don't I don't know what to make of candy and muscling he's injury. That's not really the way that I look at it. But I I. He he he he plays. He's the he's the biggest baddest toughest, dude. But the way in which he's played football where he has to run it to active is just it just has a short shelf life. That's it so inconsistent. And I feel like the league is so much better. When Cam Newton is playing at a high level because he is just in electric player and he's a star. So on your consistently inconsistent your inconsistent. That's who you are. Right. I mean, yes, I just I root for him noon because of that because I root for content, and he's he's great for that. It's just it's frustrating that he is so inconsistent. And finally the NBA all star game starters were announced last night's the and Janas are the team captains. And with the starters. Also, come some snubs spite averaging career high in points, rebounds, assists, and steals. Anthony Davis was not named starter. Instead, Paul George locked up the third front court spot in the west those are the starters for the west and obviously all star weekend is fifteen seventeen and they're going to do the drafts jumping which I'm into. Because because whoever the last guy taking I mean, you don't ever hear the end of it. Even though you're the last all star, you're still in all star, whoever the la-. That's really why you and I had this conversation me and Colin had it. But I why. Well, it is kind of fun just root for content because it is great content. I I guess maybe it's coming from a player's side. I feel like showing the draft and making that public takes away a little bit of the excitement of being an all star. Like, it doesn't it doesn't mean anything that you're the last player selected, but it's like I feel like this is an honor and not everybody makes multiple all star teams. So it's something should be like awesome, an all-star. That's it. Not okay. Now. I'm going to start drafts. I'm the last. I've taken this is going to be as conversation forever and ever, you know, what they call the the person who graduates last medical school. Dr. That's that's Taylor. The news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie. He's been head coach for the Cleveland Browns and the New York Jets, and of course, a longtime assistant with the pats. He's our man genius. He's Eric Mangini joins us here on the show in the herd. Morning. Eric you and I talked on on my show yesterday. And you said there's there's no way Tom Brady retires. Okay. So I'm not asking you will he I'm asking you should he I mean think about how close they came to not being here. Think about the fact that probably don't have gronk next year. Maybe he comes back, and obviously he's bought into the idea of being, but but the league seems to be getting close to figuring them out, even if they can't figure them out in January, and he's not the same as he he once was he's not even play great football. He's still found a way is. I mean you start by being the Rams you end by being the Rams when is enough enough? Should if he was asking you like my wife's been bid retire for years. Should he? No. I don't think he should. And when you hear Tom talk someone asks them what ring was his favourite. And he said the next one, and I really believe that's his approach and say that he's not playing at a high level. I don't think that's true. We just we're talking about. Pittsburgh. And they lose Levy I'm Bill they lose Antonio Brown, the sky's falling every single year. The patriots are losing someone. That's Brandin cooks. It's Nate soldier. It's take your pick. And somebody else comes in the the thing that Tom is that makes them unique is he's a force multiplier. So if you go to New England, and you do what you're supposed to do. And you you're in the right spot. You're going to get the ball. You're going to have a chance to be really successful. And he allows that to happen. And it's not about one player or one piece. It's about his ability to put those pieces together. And then you've got Josh mcdaniels. He's coming back. That's huge Dante scar Nike the offense align coach who should get the MVP trophy. If New England wins the Super Bowl though, it looks like he's coming back to Bill comes back. You've got that continuity. Why not keep resetting the bar of what greatness is I want to ask you about offensive line play. Because I think they're defensive line was way better than we expected. And I know a lot of people are killing the cancer. Chiefs defense, and you know, they fired Bob Sutton. But if you've watched Kansas City, they have not a good they have a great offense blind terms of the talent of pass rushers. What what were they how were they able to keep him clean? Like he wasn't touched in either the playoff games against two really good pass rushes. How were they able to do it? Well, and you're gonna face another good group. But but they're able to do is they're able to keep guys off balance and he saw early in the game. They went big people. They went a traditional Twenty-one set to backs one tight end to artery. Cevers what what we've seen historically as or we think of historically as as traditional football, and they played big boy football. They went right atom. They ran the ball. It was physical. So that that's like the equivalent of a body blow in boxing. And I assume you're going to get a lot of that in the Rams game as well. So you do that that slows guys down. Then you run a lot of quick passes out of the backfield. So even if you wanna pressure, you're not getting home. So you thinking is it really worth it to pressure at this point because the ball's coming out so quick the mixing quarter Patterson, and they he's the gadget guy. But instead of using them for gadgets they faked the ball to him they bring it to someone else. So now the defense has to cover the whole field and it forces the the D lineman, especially to start thinking, and I can't just t- off. I've got a I've got to react to the outside. Ron here comes the physical inside type of plays the ball's coming out quickly. So it's getting those guys to plan their heels. And I would imagine it gets some Rams you're going to get some more no huddle. And and you saw. New Orleans do that to some degree and the Rams are having a tough time getting lined up. They haven't tough time teeing off because they they weren't set to go. They couldn't match the temple, and they're gonna have tough time is in the temple this week. What about the other side, Eric Mangini? Join us. I'm Doug Gottlieb along with joy Taylor. Infra columnists is the hurt on Fox Sports radio. Fox Sports one the other side, they they got some pressure on Pat Mahomes. No quarterbacks the same when he gets hit. They hit him a little bit. And he was Steve seen a little bit of shadows. How are they able that's a good offensive line? How are they able to get pressure on on the chiefs? I it's it's what they do. Really? Well, I identify weakness, and then they exploited the week is and the also talk about things you need to do to win the game. And I'm sure one of the points of Bill made in order to win the game was to keep Patrick Mahomes in the pocket, and they did that effectively. So the chiefs tackles offense of tackle set so deep and he saw early in the game where the defensive ends New England's outside rushers were coming up. The field cheese were setting deep. Then they'd come inside. Okay. That put pressure on Patrick and the tackles would loop around and set an edge and others pressure in the pocket. But there was nowhere for him to go. So all those untimely plays that were so effective for the chiefs throughout the course of the season. They couldn't get to then the other thing is as a young quarterback. Sometimes you don't believe what's in front of you. So JC Jackson is meant JC Jackson berkey. DB out of Maryland is men man on Travis Kelsey with no help the whole first half. And they don't really get the ball to them because they were assuming I'm I imagine he assumed Kelsey was going to be doubled. So instead of going out there and saying, okay, what really is it is almost a sump shin by young guys that this is what's going to happen. And then when they realize it's not what's happening oftentimes it's too late and you're down fourteen and nothing at the end of the first half. And they they could have been down. It could have been even worse. Right. Braided into that didn't throw the pick. I mean that was just complete demolition and really an impressive fashion in the first half. And it seemed like they made some adjustments out of the half. Right. Six. You're gonna stick around with us for great. I do want to get to the Rams I want to get to the blown call. I want to get to some Sean Payton's decisions speaking of Sean Payton, would he be a good fit in Dallas. Do you say, hey, I've topped out here. That's the most I can do in New Orleans with aging quarterback take on a younger one and try and lead the Cowboys the glory lead the saints to previously. We'll get to that with Eric. Judy next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, not AM Pacific. Doug, Ali joy Taylor for colonise. Is the heard got a great show for your Chris Bruce are Joyce top of the hour. We'll get his take on the all star selections. And if he thinks it's a bad thing to have the draft made public is going to draft guys. Eric Mangini continues to join us. What did you think of how Sean Payton coached in the NFC championship game? Some of the some of the play calling. Did you do you have any negative reaction to it? I thought overall he he did a good job. I thought Wade Phillips nice show of taking away some things that were problem in in the first game. And and he made some adjustments to what they're doing with with KOMO or out of the backfield. They started to push them out of the backfield. You know, the the call we we've all talked about the call over and over again, and I get it. And we've all been frustrated by calls that were either missed or made that affected our lives. But that's that's part of what happened and maybe they'll change the rule. The only concern I have is they had a chance to go win the game. They had kids play defense. Then they got the ball. I just like New England did and overtime. So they had a little bit higher percentage of an opportunity to win the game. And they didn't. And then they had a chance to play defense again. And the Rams kick a fifty seven yard field goal. So you just wonder if that call got everybody's so preoccupied with with that moment that they weren't able to move on to all the other moments that would have given given them opportunity to even have to worry about about the call. Look I've been critical, and I think other people have as well of not running the ball. First second third down to take away the chances for the Rams take away their timeouts. I know they checked out of a run. On first down and even the past which is a pass interference that boat. Wasn't that both onto the inside she'd been during the outside? He here's what I'll say about that is over and over again. We celebrate Coty takes chances. Remember in the Super Bowl kicked in onsite kid. He takes chances. So to criticize the guy for putting the ball in his best players head in drew Brees is hands any critical moment, I have a really hard time with and even if they'd run the ball three times, there's still would've met I think fifty seconds left in the first game. If they don't get a first down you are allowed to get a first down when you're on the football. You are and you're allowed to get stopped and you're allowed to get a penalty. And you're allowed a lot of bad things can happen. But in the first game there are twenty six seconds left in the first half. When the Rams got the ball back and they walked down and kick a field goal. So to say that they couldn't do that in fifty seconds. Well, that's not true. We we saw it happened in the first game. So I just I think it's very easy after the fact that say he should have done this. He should have done. That but he put the ball in his best players hands. He checked out of a bad play into a good play. And look they got a penalty. It should have been a penalty. So to criticize him for that. I I don't feel good about. I don't love the way things were handled after after eight moments fair. Breeze. Hasn't looked the same is have we reached that point with Brees? Or is it a year the attrition of a season? And that's what happens with older players. They wear down at the end of the year like it breathes was not nearly as dynamic end of the year as most people think breeze should be well, this this this offense was was shaped a little bit differently. They had two running backs that we're really effective. And it was it was almost run I approach, and I I didn't see breezes performance later in the year as as a as a decline, I think sometimes the the scheme dictates, you know, more running than than passing, and it may may look a little bit different than what we've expected from that offense. But I don't think it was different because his performance had declined substantially would you consider the Cowboys if you're Payton? Why I I don't know why you hit hit hit reset with a better younger roster. Okay. Is it a better younger roster, and Sean has a I'm sure a significant amount of influence on what happens day to day, personnel coaches all those different things in Dallas. You have to have a relationship with the owner who is the GM, and he has final say, and you saw the Monaco churches that have been spun through there, the assistant coaches that Rosser is almost completely turned over. And I I don't think that's all function of Jason Gary. So there needs to be a special coach in Dallas to deal with that dynamic. And I think Jason Garrett is good for that situation. They've won the NFC east. What two out of the last three years or three of the last five whatever it is that's fairly fairly productive. But it it does feel like they're still the discontent with Garrett overplayed. Calling. That's why they change coordinators and he's still not gonna call plays in one feels hoop. You can fix two problems. Right. You get the the head coach played collar, and you have a guy who's had the success previously. I'm just look at you know, what really helps would play calling when you better player got hall of fame quarterback. Yeah. That's a really ever Brees Dak Prescott. And look maybe he's going to continue to grow. But let's look at those two guys and call the same play and see how effective that I agree with you. I I don't think there's any there's any disputing that. A lot of football people think one of the reasons they're so conservative with their playcalling is they don't think the quarterback is is is so dynamic that he can make better place. So NO. Yeah. By the way, you got running back Ezekiel at one talking about running back. Go ahead. I just think anytime you have to talk about a quarterback needing more weapons that to me is the difference between Peyton Manning. Drew Brees Tom Brady, they make the weapon the people around them better. And then when you've gotta you've gotta bring all these weapons in for quarterback. You you might not have the right guy. Okay. So you think Todd Gurley is right. You'd think he's healthy right now. I think that New England needs to stop Todd Gurley. And if you underestimate Todd Gurley who's averaged four point nine yards, a carry it will kill you. And he's an explosive player. Did he have down game? He did were they able to win when he had it down game. Yeah. But go into a game and undermine underestimate that guy and he'll kill you. Okay. So, but but it does there has been a substantial decline in his production over the last quarter of the season. And there's this thought that he had been healthy. That's the reason the McVeigh's gone more to C J Anderson, then go into him. Sometimes. And look I I give McVay a lot of credit. I it's hard to continue to feed a guy that isn't Todd Gurley. And I give Todd Gurley credit for accepting that role when he wasn't having a very good day. But if you're if you're going to bet the odds, I would I would bet that that Todd Gurley is the guy that's going to give you the best chance to win this next game as opposed to to C, J Anderson. You think patriots win? So last week if you you'd ask me who objectively I would pick. I would have picked Kansas City but emotionally if I had to put money on the game. I would've put money on New England because I've just been there, you know, going through that three times in New England and being on the sideline with Tom and understanding their approach not null. Listen, the stat they've they've played ten Thursday night games and nine Super Bowls. They've made the Super Bowl the equivalent of an aberration during the scheduling in in the week at its it's amazing. So as that group is getting ready for another game another game this other very inexperienced Rupe is getting ready for for the first time and stuff so much stuff. Eric mangini? Wait till you hear what Jeanie Buss had to say. Get to it next in the heard one more heard heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like. Welcome in. This is the heard wherever you may be. However, you may be making spot your day. Thanks so much. Whether it's Fox Sports one the iheartradio app. Fox Sports radio dot com. Thanks so much for tuning in colonies off. He'll be back Monday. Joy taylor. She's always working check out her podcast. Hot cast is awesome. Thanks. Did you did you sue or hear what Jeanie Buss had to say about the Lakers and Reader's Digest version would be, hey, if you don't wanna Keno? I I heard that she's heard whispers about people that want to play with the brawn, James, right? She told us in the low post podcast. I think here's the quote. I I heard that about Kobe to that makes me that makes me laugh because if somebody doesn't wanna play with the best player in the NBA right now, I don't want them on the team. Now, there is a little bit of the guy at the club. Who says, hey, you wanna dance and she says, no. No, no. I said you look fat in those pants that feels a little bit. What like would genie bus is doing right now? Like, oh, you don't want to come here fine. We don't want you. And as as much as I know, she loves Kobe and Laker fans love Kobe. I I don't think that actually helps you argument it just don't Kobe, obviously, very very different from the Braun and Kobe more polarizing the LeBron. He just is like Kobe didn't literally did not care does not care if you liked him and respected him. Where's the Brown wants everybody to like him? That's just the difference in the makeup of their personalities. And so I feel like genies missing missing missing it. And I feel like she's off message message should be. Hey, we're healthy pretty good. And to the to the east coast or who woke up like. Wow. You lost the temples though. Lebron? Yeah. Lebron didn't play Lonzo didn't. Play Tyson Chandler didn't play that's three you're down three starters. You're not being beating a playoff team or a team with decent talent most times when you don't have three stars in the NBA, especially when one of those players LeBron James and a couple of the loss they suffered. They didn't have cow Kouzmin. You don't have coups in the Bronx who's going to score as forty six forty seven point game. So I feel like she's off message. Her message should be one of the best defense at teams the league. We just gotta get healthy. We got to continue to have our young players evolve. And whatever rob and magic decide to add or not add to the roster all four whatever Luke decides do I'm all for that's the support instead of doing the, you know, if you don't wanna play with that felt like an unneeded shot at Kevin Durant at an uneven shot at Kawhi Leonard. Even if even if. You're you're running the Lakers and you felt like by turning down overtures and telling people close to him. I don't want that or Kevin Durant saying, you know, he doesn't want the sycophants and the media to cover him. He just doesn't want the LeBron thing. Like, even if that's what they said that doesn't mean you have to match fire with fire, and especially comparing LeBron and Coby like Ninna. Your Jeanie Buss you run the LA Lakers. Hey, we got seventeen banners. We're going to add eighteen look at where we were last year. Look where we are this year. Everybody knows we have cap space. We're looking for a few really really good men who who want to raise. Raise a world championship trophy that. That's it. That's it. I may be the only one I think if they add a shooter, maybe even somebody like JR Smith you had a shooter that should be the second best team in the west. I look people go crazy because boogie cousins made some shots last night. And he may end up getting back to being the boogie cousins. He was but boogie does change the warriors dynamic it gives them another scoring option. But they didn't really need much more scoring. He changes them defensively. They've never played big bull. Where were the center down the stretch? Will they with boogie? We don't know their bench is not what it used to be the warriors as the rocket showed last year could be had. And I don't think this this year's rockets aren't as good, and they're feels like they're never going to be healthy and Oklahoma City, though, they shot it. Well last night at team can't shoot. I don't they Denver is ready for primetime. Like look around. The Lakers are tremendous defensively. They'll get LeBron James back when they had LeBron James. Here's what people forget they were ahead of schedule before all the injuries said it. Ahead of schedule. And so while she in part of her statement in the low post podcast was you know, we we need to preach patients. That's she needs to be patient in her statements. I'm a buyer. I don't I think it's a flawed roster. I think they need more shooting. I think you know, some of these basketball mercenaries that are well traveled are well traveled for a reason. Know, I think they played Lance Stevenson too much because the air guitar instead of playing FEMA high Luke who has a higher ceiling will be more of a solid shooter that can stretch open up the defense think they overvalued jail mcgee's a backup. He's always been a backup kind of always be a backup. And they're trying to kind of patch the center position on the fly contagious Colwell. Pope is a good player on a bad team and a bad player and a good team like, but we know why he's here because he's a Rich Paul client. Right hold that. That roster spot for one more year, saying go get a big boy. Like, it's not a great roster. But it wasn't like the rest of the NBA said, hey, does LeBron James shooters. Why don't you take couple of our shooters? Like, that's not actually the way it works. But they were ahead of schedule before LeBron got hurt ahead of schedule. Even with Rondos injuries. Even with the fact they had to go out and get Tyson Chandler. And so I don't I don't love the messaging here from Jeanie Buss. Let's bring in Chris Broussard, who of course, you can hear on his own radio show with Brazi. Rob Parker has been taken to mel's this week. Of course, y'all see Chris on all of our shows, you're on Fox Sports one. What do you make of genie bus like well, if you don't wanna play with this? We don't much like. Like, you say, it's unnecessary bravado. And I get it. She was asked the question, you say, she's off brand, you know, she's was asked a question, but you could easily say look, we think we got a good thing going. You know, LeBron is here the best player in the world is here. And we think a lot of players are going to wanna play with him. He shares the ball. You know, other guys will get shots. You know, he's wanting you could go in number ways. You didn't have to go here because you're right. It does look first of all is just factually incorrect, you want Paul George you wish you had Paul George right now. What if I mean, imagine if this Lakers team had this version of Paul, George, right? They'd be right there you want. Kevin durant? You want Kawai Leonard you want. You know, kyri Irv any of these guys that are going to be free agents. You would take them. And the thing is this. It's not wrong of lynyrd or some other star. If they don't want to go play with. Lebron if I if I've got the man ability, right and very few players in his league have that. But if I'm one of them, I wanna be a man. So if Kawhi Leonard wants to go to the clippers and take his own shot at leading his own team to a championship. I respect that. It doesn't have to be a knock against LeBron. It may just be. I wanted to give it my shot and see if I can lead to team when Kevin Durant winter Golden State everybody crushed him for the most part. Now, a lot of people are saying he needs to go somewhere else the Knicks or somebody and lead them to a title. So if somebody doesn't want to go play with LeBron, you know, I it shouldn't it doesn't mean. They don't have the character to play for the Lakers or something like that. With the first guy to break away from the Broncos, kyri Irving, right and kyri. Of course, I don't think it went over the way he wanted to go over. That's why he had to kind of Rio dress it, but he did say like, hey, these guys. I don't know what it takes to win a championship. I do. And then he came out and said, look, I called the Brown. Apologize for how I was before. I may be the only one point out. Of course, he's a starter on the all star team. He has backed up the talk with some walk mean, he's been twenty seven and eighteen thirty three thirty eight and eleven thirty two and five twenty six and ten he's going to play the warriors tomorrow night. It feels like kyri has responded in the way you're supposed to respond to some sort of adversity in that you wanna talk it fine. Go out and show us. Oh, he's kind shown us. You're absolutely right. And I said we will Kevin love even there's a report that he's like, hey, you know, maybe they will get together. I could see it happening interest. In Thomson said the same thing. I said a week ago on this show kyri has to decide he has to look within himself and say, okay, do I want to be the leader? And take on all those responsibilities of teaching young guys guiding young guys taking the blame as well. As the credit for our downfall. Making sure the chemistry is right and the egos in the locker room, everything is right. He didn't have to do that in Cleveland. So he had to decide do I want that responsibility. As the leader or do. I just want to be like a hired gun be able to just go out and ball and not have to worry about that. And that's when I was like if he didn't want to worry about that. He could go by LeBron I believe to your point. He is made that decision, and he is accepted that you know, what I do want to be a leader. I do wanna have my own team. I do want the responsibility that comes with that. And I think the. I think this whole season for Boston's been a tug of war of. Okay. Are we that equal opportunity offensive type team with ball movement and everything that we were without kyri and got to the Eastern Conference finals. Or are. We a star driven team with kyri as the driver. Kyrie Irving has answered that question last four games and said, he's giving them an identity of is Kyrie's team now. And you guys Jason Tatum. All you guys get in where you fit in around me. But it's my team. I'm going to lead it he was trying to do it with words a few weeks ago. Now, he's doing it with actions. And I mean, you know, as a point guard and your day his assist numbers. Have. He's basically doubled his assists, number only four games. But he's never averaged more than six assists a game. He's averaging eleven over the last four I'll let you conversation. I had with Brad Stevens. It was it was the day after the NBA draft last year. And I haven't been in Boston. And so I I call Brad up and he's like, yeah. What lunch press conferences, whatever I got time. So I was like I asked him as question like can carry pass? He's like hi res the best passer I've ever seen great passer. And I said, what do it more? And he's like you. That's a great question. He goes, he's he he what he said was he urine for the professionalism that they that they had in Boston that in Cleveland wasn't that they were unprofessional. But it's just a at least LeBron was in Cleveland. It was very very different LeBron generally revolved around LeBron. Yes. Plus, he didn't really practice. He kinda worked out on his own did his own thing. And then they had kind of a group of young guys that would like practice kind of without him. And so it was very very different. Whereas in Boston, you have this group this Al Horford and now Gordon Hayward and where they are in the in the off season to come in to get the work done. They go home they come into practice to get the work done. And they go home. It's a very professional kind of atmos-. Anyway, I have some like we said you could of why did he pass? He's like that's really the challenge is is does he if he wants to be it's like defense like he can guard people right to prove to everybody, and he's been able to get away with just being the best finisher and making big shots and look tomorrow night's gonna be an incredible challenge for him. But it'd be interesting to see how accepts it won't ask you about about the warriors. That people that gave me a bunch push back. When I said like, look, I understand that we all have this image of DeMarcus cousins as an all star. But he's never played a playoff game team. Got better last year when he got hurt and he's not at that's a big that's a bad injury for anybody. But for a big guy carrying two hundred seventy two hundred eighty pounds. He doesn't have the lift and they will have to play defensively very very differently. If you play with a true center on the floor at the end of games. What's the rest of the league? What are you hearing about how what they think of the warriors as they are now coming to their kind of full construction. Well, the defense is the question Mark that and a lot of people's like we're gonna put cousins in that pick and roll and exploiting, you know. And so that's look ofensive -ly. He's fitting in fine. I mean, I've never seen him run the floor like this. He's rim running. You know? Let's see if he keeps it up, but he's certainly been doing that early. He soars a little tilted. He runs this way. Really? The other way all that fast. We know he's a good three point shooter. You're not a great great offensive right about it. And he's moving off fairly. Well, so I think ofensive leahey's fitting in well. And he's a great passer for big, man. So if he buys in, and I think he is the naked that gives another dynamic to their office. They had everything covered the threes. The mid range the driving game the back door cuts all that. They didn't have a post guy not that they needed it necessarily. But now they even have that option with cousins defense is is where the questions are. And teams know, look, we can't stop them authencity. But he does give us a guy. We can export. You know, they always try to go at Steph. Yeah. Now, you've got to guy you have to you can hide one. It's really really hard to what's the state of the Sixers. It's a weird weird group. They play look they are better with Jimmy. Butler. I believe I think they're nineteen and nine with him. That's about a fifty six wind pace or something like that. But he's from what I've heard it's the same thing as it was in Chicago and Minnesota, and I've talked to people up there. He's rubbing guys the wrong way. So Elton brand the GM has to decide are we going to keep him and think about he's not going to be happy unless he gets the full five years one ninety because that was one of the things that had him all out of sorts and Minnesota's that he was the money. People people thought it was just oh the young guys are soft. But he also was like you paid them. And I haven't you haven't gotten paid or you're not guaranteeing them me. I'm going to get paid. So if he you gotta give him the five one ninety and if you pay him, do you want that attitude, you think he's? Doing some things. Now, what's he going to be like? Got Cris Carter money doesn't make you a different person. Makes you more of which right? And do you want that example for Embiid and Simmons who are your future? So I think Elton brands got a big decision to make if we're not going to keep him. If then I think you gotta trade him. And I'll tell you what look we talked. We start off with the Lakers. I don't think they're not getting K D. I don't believe. I don't think they're getting Kurai out. Don't think high res going there. I don't think clay's going there. I would take Jimmy Butler from the Lakers. I would trade for Jimmy Butler if I could because LeBron Jimmy Audy's issues he's had Chicago Minnesota now. Philadelphia was the common theme. Young guys young guys. He may respect their talent or they're games. But they're young. They go tell Jimmy Butler. He also couldn't do that with LeBron. Yes. He also does the car service to the game thing. He's also he's little Jimmy Butler Inc. Yup. Get on the team bus going away to game. Yes. So there's I think with LeBron. No. Lebron LeBron's lead. If you're the Lakers, I think LeBron Jimmy Butler would be a heck of a tandem still needs shooting the they do need shooting. And I think they think Anthony Davis is the guy they would they would prefer to already difficult to get him. No doubt that he's the guy prefer, but don't like he's not getting this was going to happen. He's not going to have to demand a trade. He says, I'm not he doesn't want to be the bad guy this summer New Orleans gonna put that supermax in front of him on a table, right? He's going to reject it. It's a lot of money. I believe is going to reject it way. If he rejects it, then they're going to realize, okay. We got to move, right? Okay. I got I got one more for you. The James harden run is pretty remarkable. And look I can sit here and say did you see the stat as one hundred sixty three consecutive points without somebody assistant unbeliev which Allie show that does that's not great team basketball, obviously. But that does make it more impressive for him. Don't you think it's just harder to do? It's it's really hard to do. I don't know if impressive is the work. It is it's hard to do. And I know that should go hand in hand with impressive. But like in this day and age of ball movement offense. That knows what to do. You're not gonna win at a high level. There's no way we'll show Michael Jordan and LeBron James could not win his one man shows James hearts, not winning now in fairness to James harden. He isn't technically a one man show. He will other guys will score off of his passing. He just won't score. And he does it. All right. Andy shooting in this run. He he's averaging forty three points was the average twenty to thirty shots a game. Yes. He's shooting more threes, then volume shooters shoot total shots. Yes. Like Westberg averages. Twenty shots game. Hardens has games where he shoots twenty three's. So with that sort of bald as he the do we have to give him the MVP because he's taken more shots. He has the Bowmore like literally has the ball taking a shot or making a play every possession. I hear you. I hear you because you cannot bring up quickly. Remember when Michael Jordan play point guard the last twenty four games of the eighty nine season. He averaged thirty points, eleven assists and nine rebounds. Because he had the ball all the time. And he was making every play and pay to play with slower than than it is now number might even be hired. Then the three pointer wasn't a factor. But I look I do think hardens is the leader the clear leader for the MVP. I'm a voter if I had to vote today, he would undoubtedly get my vote because here's the other thing. Doug their winning. Yes. Teen in six online. I have to wrap it. I'm gonna blow it off for one more. What's Russell Westbrook shot? What happened like he was never a great shooter but net legs four eight from the free throw line. Like he, and I know he made them the night before. But there's something physically wrong with his shot, which for, you know, some people talk about the routine of he used to be at a walk back to the between free throws walk back to the half court line and come back the league got rid of that you can't do it. But he's not shooting the ball on the rivers of the same something wrong. I don't know. I don't know. How to explain it? I I would like to see it over like carries over to next year before I say, okay. This dude is I don't know. How to explain it mental? You know, he's playing good basketball. Otherwise, great. Basketball, otherwise, but he's just not shooting it well now, and he shoots it shoots. A lot of Yogi Berra said fifty percent mental seventy five or seventy percent. Fifty percent physical seventy five percent mental something like that bears. Christmas start check out the couplets. Great show. Crazy, rob Parker alongside that's at seven o'clock eastern. The clock. 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This is the hurt on Fox Sports radio. Fox Sports one in the iheartradio app. Cagey oshman's oughta in a moment. I let's get to joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the third line. Do you have hit me with the engagement? Right. It just it feel like Tom Brady with that laser pointer. It is I I know what it feels like to be Tom Brady laser gate so Bill ballot. Check is not wants to reveal his game plans before any game. But especially not before the Super Bowl. Sean McVay is a little bit different story. Young Rams coach openly discuss how he plans to defend Tom Brady by slowing him down in the Super Bowl. Yeah. It's a great challenge. I mean, there's a reason why he's arguably one of the greatest of all time because you know, he does an excellent job of identifying whatever defensive structure your in whether you wanna pressure whether you want to try to put pressure with a four-man Russian play loaded zone or so man principles behind it. He's got such an ownership on being able to get the ball out of his hand in it timely manner. And then he's got guys that can separate that's going to be a key to try to get him off of his rhythm, which not many people have success doing. So you didn't really Bill exactly what he's winning on doing. But it is comforting to know that he is going to actually try and put some pressure on Tom Brady, which is not happened all postseason. I really thought was going to be the goal. I mean, I'm sure they were trying to get the Tom Brady, obviously. But I feel like you just got a sell out and find some way to get pants on Tom Brady if you're the chiefs, and that's clearly what the Rams are going to have to do. Yeah. I mean, there's there's a couple of things working here. I mean, I one thing we know Sean McVay is he has he does trust Wade Phillips, right? And he doesn't really though he might go into that room and offer some suggestions, he does let them kind of do their thing. Right. I think the personnel. You know, you have a nasty defensive front, and you're you're you can pressure up the middle with what they have. And if you look at the one team that beat them twice was the giants. And though the personnel might have changed. The idea was they could get Tom Brady with four. Can you get to Tom Brady with four you can do that? You can beat the patriots. If you can't you can't beat the patriots. So I do think it's more. I know it's a lot more complex in football guy. Like, well, you know, it comes down to but first Lehman for civilians, like no it comes down to you have to get Tom Brady office Mark to everyone knows that player says that it's a lot easier to say that is the du done. Maybe it was some wishful thinking on my part because the chiefs defensive line is actually very good. It is really good. Like Chris Jones. I know he got hurt late. But I mean, I think he's the best player that most people in America don't know about like he had a mazing year. And they couldn't get to like his jersey literally had no green on it in two games against two awesome pass rushes that makes no sense. They had the boasts clip from NFL films before like, hey, got it. He gets rid of it so fast. He gets rid of it so fast, but he actually didn't. And I know so much time. I was opposite of that. Well, they ran it. They ran it. They're ran it. And then he got rid of it quickly. And then you almost get tired like, well, what the hell I'm not going in there. And then then he's stumped taking and finding guys down the field. But then it'd be so let me unbalance made Miami his home for the off season is jet skiing around the bay there. I haven't been jet skiing in a long time, and it appears he also wants to make it his personal home jet skiing. Awesome. Right. Jet skiing is fun. Awesome. I'm not the best on jet skis. I'm not the best with motorized equipment in general. I mean as long as you don't do who is it was it big, Sean hit the bridge wasn't. I don't know as long as you don't hit one of the bridges there. You're I think you're. What's good and bad? Like, you're asking to be responsible as long as you're right. It's it's a it's a lot of power. You know, you start feeling like you can do some some fun things. And that's where you get into trouble. I went I decided it was a good idea to to drive the jet ski over the wake of a cruise ship. Not smart. That's not not grow the other side of that of that wave is nothing. Yes. So I was cruising through the air refuge you. Hold on. Yes. But it was one of the more terrifying. Moments of my life. I I didn't know it was going to happen. What we could help you out of here is good like as long as you're okay. Flying off of it. I'm not a live on the district. I just feel like if you hold on you're going to be okay. If you let go that's when it's not, okay. Just be careful in the jet skis. Anyway, it was reported yesterday that Lebanon would prefer to sign with the dolphins this off season. So become a free agent for the first time in his career when the NFL's new league year begins on March thirteenth. He's looking for a long-term deal. Obviously paying fifteen to seventeen million with somewhere in the forty five million guaranteed range and the Steelers are expected to transition tag. Him which means you'll have the ability to match an offer to bell and free agency. And the Steelers did say last week that they do intend on reaching out. Sue bells representatives coming soon, but we're all kind of assuming that you're gonna move on. I personally love this idea. I don't think the dolphins are going to be great anytime soon. So I'm cool with having an exciting new player on the team. And they. Let's be fun. He likes to. I just have to lower my expectations for the dolphins. If I'm if I'm just gonna tolerate actually weren't terrible this year, even though they didn't have tannehill for like half the season. And they don't know who they're I love the Florez higher. Right. I just excited about that. I I it's I mean, wasn't weren't terrible. Like, that's that's the standard that we're at right now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're they're not. They're not pieces around. They have about thirteen million in caps. I don't I don't see it happening. I don't see the I thought he goes to Tampa or he ends up in New York. Give it I don't even see the jets. It would be a very jets sort of move, but they have a bunch of money, but they got a bunch of holes like the idea of loading up on bringing back. No matter how good when you need a whole new offensive line. You need all new skill position players just from one player like just doesn't seem doesn't seem cost effective to spend that much on a running back when you can get a couple for a fraction of the sub. That's why if I end up in Tampa finally before this NBA season began the Celtics reviewed it as the greatest threat to the warriors winning their third straight title. The warriors play the Celtics tomorrow night, you're just discussing with Christmas card and spite the fact Celtics are fifth in the east Steve Kerr told athletic. He still feels the same way about them as he did at the beginning of the season, Draymond green elaborated and said, I think the most talented team in the east still trying to figure out rotations and shots. And all the things that takes figure out when you have a great team people think he just put great players out there together, and it works. It doesn't they're still trying to figure it out. But I don't doubt that they will you still see the Celtics as a threat to the warriors, or at least the biggest threat. For the words in east. Yes, I think they're a legitimate threat. I think the biggest threat, and I think that's going to be who you see health permitting, and they've had some players whether it's Al Horford, of course, Kyrie Irving, he's been heard almost every year of his career health permitting. And they they do it. They've had some chemistry issues. They've had some guys like we were fine without kyri. Even if they weren't that good without Kyrie's. What to do? With Terry Rozier who is their fourth guard. Really they move on from him. And get more of a veteran presence they hold onto him. So they can trade them in the off season. Like, I think they got some issues there, but they have better guard play, frankly, I think better coaching more of a little bit of championship pedigree and better shooting then the Sixers and now the Pacers. Unfortunately with the injury to victory will the depot cross them off the rafters the other team. I really really like. But you know, Lowery hasn't been nearly as good in the playoffs. His career has been I'm gonna I'm gonna take the Celtics slightly over the rap. I picked the Celtics the beginning of the season. But I really I really do like the raptors a lot of people are. Stelling out on the rappers because of what they've consistently been in the postseason, but Ron James is not in the east anymore, and they upgraded they brought in an NBA finals black. He they upgraded and like, Danny Green's, not great. But he can be great wind called upon in a rural champion. I'm with you. I those teams are legitimate threats to the warriors. And I think that's it. We'll see in the Eastern Conference finals as joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping heard lie. I come up next Pro Bowl wide receiver foam approval is receiver. TJ huffman's zodda is going to join us. How the patriots keep doing it nothing outside the numbers? And how how do they keep doing it? And what can Jared Goff do against this? Patriots suddenly stout. Patriots defense. We'll talk to Jewish Dada. He'll join us next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Pause basketball action comes your way tonight on episode at all tips off at six eastern with action from the big ten as storied rivals face off when number five Michigan battles, Indiana. Then it's showdown in the big east is Butler takes on Creighton. College basketball doubleheader tonight on episode one in the Fox Sports app. Pretty Good Hope tonight on Fox Sports one. Tune in keep it tuned right here to Fox Sports one. I'm Doug Gottlieb, along with joy Taylor the iheartradio app on. The heard podcast at working needless to my my all ball podcast is welcome in TJ who's been zodda who join us for Pro Bowl wide receiver and you see him throughout our shows here on on Fox Sports radio and Fox Sports one. Who's when you when you watch the patriots the game plan the way they played in the first half way to kind of had to change and evolve in the second half. What was your reaction would happen in Kansas City? Kansas City couldn't get off the field on third down in the patriots pretty much ran the ball. When ever they wanted to that that was somewhat implement the same game plan against the charges. We're going to run a ball. We're gonna keep your offense off the field. And if you could stop us, we'll change if not this is what we're gonna do. It's kind of interesting. It felt like they did to Kansas City would people used to do to them at the height of Tom. Brady's powers, right? When when Tom Brady was great when he had fifty touchdown season. Like the whole they will you gotta keep Tom Brady out to field. That's Pat Mahomes kept him over there on ice. They've evolved. Ofensive -ly. They've turned into a running team. It's benefited them. Now it turned into a guessing game. They came out the first few third downs. They ran the ball. And I'm sure that she's I it kind of clouded the defensive coordinator. And also the players like they were guessing are they going to run it? Now starting six they run a ball with James white. I down ninety percent of guys in NFL at least play callers that's going to be a pass play. And so they just kept the chiefs off balance. The chiefs could not get off the field on third down bobsled lost his job. There are people that are critical of them. But they did play man to man. That's supposedly the way to get to Tom Brady rise. You gotta you gotta play man to man. And then he got a pressure them up front. Was there something Bob Sutton should have done differently that he didn't do? So yes, they did play man to man. But the difference wasn't me. Just watching a game the majority time when Julian Edelman went motion he ran that deep over route. So he's running away from the defender in man coverage. And when he tried to explain to somebody there in there. Car and they're like, okay. He's in motion. What's a diesel? He would he would come in motion. He would run across the field. Okay. Running away from coverage, which is the guy plan him man to man. So he's going to chase you. So why wouldn't have inside leverage in force you to go back out because he went in motion. And when you get emotion when you go in motion normally the defensive back backs off for you and gives you a two way go they normally don't press you when you go in motion. And that's why the patriots bring him in motion to get him a free release in all he did was run away in. So that last drive even in overtime. The chiefs were in a two-man coverage one third down. They busted the coverage. Just let out on me and go right through the middle. It was the first down to other time the guy just didn't get inside to take inside away. And then when they tried to play robber robberies when they bring that safety down to rob the middle to take that route away. That's when he hit grunk on slant route. So they just had it. She's guessing they were guessing and the Rams have better players. In a secondary in my opinion than achieves. So this should be pretty interesting doesn't it feel like though, the Rams supposedly the weakness. I've always been told the weakness to Wade Phillips style defense and to the Rams personnels linebacker and ability building to have those linebackers cover will they be able to cover it like that that to me says James it's going to have fifteen sixteen catches in this game. The thing the Rams linebackers. There aren't very big their athletes in. So you have to have an idea that they are going to attack you this whole week appr-. You have to have that idea that you are going to be attacked James white is going to run ops wrong. He's going to break out or break in. Now, you can have combo coverages too where you shade outside in force him inside because you have help if they play that robber that robberies air to help on that inside option route with the runningback. I'm sure Wade Phillips will mix it up. They will play press coverage. That's in my opinion is the best way to play the patriots. Because what that they got four first round picks on a d line? He got hair down, and you've got any Dominic. And so you got Dante follow you got Michael brokers. You got four guys if you can make Brady Pat the ball, meaning take one or two hitches you have a chance, but they're going to have to mix it up teachers Manzana joining us. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the. The heard. Okay, let's get to the let's get to the saints game. I haven't heard your take on the penalty first part. Like, I feel like not enough people being critical of and I know they they audible out of it. But throwing the ball on first down. Don't you run? It get that clock moving. I was just telling Jason yesterday. Everybody's critical of champagne. Oh, why did you throw it on first down, Shawn? Payne has come out and said that was a run play. They gave us the zero. Look drew audible out to a pass mistake. Number one was it. Yeah. It was pass interference the day. Missed a call. Yes. It won't be the first that that's not going to be the last call. They missed it happens. You're you're complaining about it. I get it. Because if I was a saints. I'd be pissed, but it is what it is. If how many more plays happened after that. The saints had the ball in overtime what a chance to go win it. They miss a face mask defense the saints. First penalty, you know, when they got their first penalty of the game. It was five minutes and twenty six seconds left in a third quarter. So you can't there's bad calls both ways. Yeah. Would be upset if I was on a saints. But you had the bald or plenty of plays after that. You just didn't get it done. What do you think's wrong with Todd Gurley? I mean is it is it a match up thing is not right. I Todd Gurley went from most dynamic back in the league to. Yeah. He's the other guy in that backfield. Dude. I it's that that's the million dollar question. It's so baffling that it's more than a million dollars. But yeah, it's it's baffling that you have been the guy entire year in an two biggest games of the season. The playoff games. Anderson is basically stolen the show. He's he's been that guy. Running the ball. Right out the gate. Jerry goals first interception right to girlies hands to third down. People aren't going to that third down that he dropped at girly dropped. You can the saints pass interference around on that play that would have been automatic. I ain't call the receiver outside was being held aiding call that as well. I don't know what's wrong with this is Super Bowl tie. Gotta play any if he can be himself and run routes and run the ball is going to be tough to deal with the Rams. But can he do that? Using the Rams when I do believe the Rams win the key to beating the patriots is pressure up the middle. They're going double Aaron Donald Dominic and sue can play the way he played last week. You affect Tom Brady up the middle. You make him move laterally and don't allow him to step up in a pocket that that's the best way to beat the patriots TJ who's been Java. Joining us here in in the herd. It's weird with coming out of Pittsburgh. Right. I go back a couple of weeks ago. It was like, man. He's gone owners dogma is gone. Now, they're well. Hey, pouncey came out and said, it's a brotherhood. And there seems to be a little bit of dialing back of, you know, maybe we can have a conversation and work some things out is it just it's too punitive. In terms of hurting you hurt your roster and hurting your salary cap. Or is this cooler heads really prevailing in Pittsburgh to bring him back. The smart thing will be cooler heads prevailing. But they they have to move on. It's like a marriage that you just wanted to make you work. But it's just really no point. They should just separate him and move on the toothpaste is out of the tube. You cannot put it back in. Now, the damage has been done we were brotherhood during the season as well in all this wasn't going on when Ben criticized AB in a Denver laws, and he criticized what happened at a brotherhood, then they know A B is. Is very valuable to that team. They could be trying to drive up the trade value. I don't know. But every ABC's it'd be gone for the culture, the salary cap ramifications should not matter for the culture of your team for the Pittsburgh Steelers. If we are eighteen in the teen comes I it should not matter to salary cap that you have to move on. Because you're you will set a bad precedent for the rest of the guys on the team. There was there was an article yesterday quicker sham road is about the Cleveland Browns. And it basically chronicled Jimmy has some time as owner there. And obviously there was some dysfunction there in infighting between Joe banner and Michael embody. And then even went to the firing most recently of huge action. And now they walked in and said, Hugh you've lost the team even though they've been overtime for out of eight games. He told him to get the f out of his office. Right. And they ultimately fired him any. Anyway, look, you're part of a franchise that went before. Marvin got their incredibly dysfunctional. And then Marvin kind of straightened things out. How much does ownership affect the actual football team? You know us funny when you're a part of the dysfunction, you don't realize that is dysfunctional until you go to another team. I was drafted to the Bengals that that was all I knew you hear other guys all it's like this with us. You don't really understand tell the story really quickly for people who she you show up you'll rookie training camp. What was it? Like, it was I didn't think it was bad. We didn't have security at our training camp. So people could come in and out whenever you want it, and they did plenty of people people that shouldn't have been there. Like what kind of people? I can't even say that on TV why you said it on radio until Bush rappers. Yes at training camp at training camp every day every day midnight to like four AM every single day in the guys that were on that team know exactly what I'm talking about every day. And it was like I'm calling my buddies like, dude. Do y'all got strippers when they like, nah, I'm like, oh, wow. Every day. And then we're Marvin got there we got security in so that stopped. But it was it was in the pro it was the vets they would have all this going on. And I'm like God is it like this on every team? I thought that was normal. And then you start calling around playing this is not normal. There's some hope that Baker Mayfield. Can you know, there's there's real legit hope his numbers against bad teams as excellent the numbers against the good teams or not. But he's only a rookie. And he does seem to have kind of a leadership quality can he overcome can quarterback overcome that dysfunction. Yes. Because if you're winning how much dysfunction is there when you win winning covers up a lot of things, and they have the Browns have a really good roster. They have a really good roster of young players in. So if they can win it doesn't bode well that you're great against the bad teams and not so grading as a good team against everybody before they went in one game in two years combined. You would think. As he gets more experiences play where improvements Lee and physically I think Baker Mayfield is a hell of a quarterback. He needs to calm down a little bit. He's a little too high though, he needs to be more even killed. But that's not as personality will he be able to manage emotions. That's remains to be seen Katina mobilize. Joining me next. We're gonna talk some Lakers. Are you a buyer into Lakers? She got fifteen second. I'm a Laker fan. Of course. I'm a you buy into this Laker team. Yeah. I am a buyer. I don't like how they they. They lose a team. They should not lose to like I'm watching a game last night. I guess timber. What was it was a good game? And then a fourth quarter. It's over we'll talk with Tina Moby upcoming next. Jeanie Buss had some interesting comments about people not wanting to play with LeBron comparing him to Kobe. We'll get to that next month. Thanks tesions. Oughta this is the hurt. One. More heard heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like. Welcome in. This is the heard wherever you may be. And however may be making it part of your day. Thanks so much along side lovely talented engaged. Joy Taylor who has an award winning podcast isn't award winning. I think. I think I give an award most fun ones. I listened. Jim. I drive a lot. I listen to podcasts of water radio. I'm joy. I enjoyed a great deal, actually. We're going to get the Katina mobile in a second get his take on what Jeanie Buss said about the Lakers. I got a question for you. Okay. Unplanned question before we get to g buses. Okay. So last Friday, so I had a game Saturday in Madison, Wisconsin eleven AM local. Okay. And this is a what would joy Taylor do? That's right. So I'm walking the airport at sky harbor airport, which those people don't know that's Phoenix did a game on Thursday in Phoenix did my own radio show. The Doug Gottlieb show follows this one on most Fox Sports radio affiliates. Three to six eastern twelve to three Pacific, Arizona. This time of year is mountain time zone. Who knew so I've done it four. I had a great dinner with my friends, and my wife came out with friends who live in Scottsdale, we had dinner. I go to the airport is a nonstop who knew again from sky harbor to Madison Wisconsin, I'm walking into the airport. And I get an alert to the flight was cancelled. Now, I gotta get there from eleven o'clock eleven clock star gotta get there. And I kind of pushed back by flight thinking, what are the chances, of course, snowstorm going into the mid west, bad luck. So I go right to the counter I get on a nonstop to. Chicago land in Chicago, just after midnight game is eleven o'clock. And it has just begun to really snow. It's gonna snow until seven in the morning. It takes with no snow two hours. Or so to go from O'Hare to Madison. Here's the question. I have for you. Do you drive right? Then at midnight. Go to get a car twelve thirty drive through some sort of snow drive, two hours with no snow. Okay. Substantially longer with snow 'cause you're driving slower or the asleep Chicago airport Hilton. I'm a fan. Very nice. Okay. Get up get car in the morning and then go then. Okay. So you're you're only option is to drive at only options to drive. Yeah. I think I'm I think I'm driving that night right away. Yeah. Okay. That's what I chose K you. Because at this point you've already had a string of Loch where you've been delayed, and you have no idea how long it's gonna take. Yeah idea. If there's an accident there agree, which is what I did took awhile, even Dr. Behind the snow plow. They don't go. Still plows. Don't go fifty five forty miles an hour selling take it. About three and a half. But remember I had to get the rent a car, and I stopped and got a little got some Takis on the way, and and doctors and t on the way and so I- roll into town route four o'clock or so game is at eleven. Here's a second prep and stuff. Yeah. But yeah. Okay. Yeah. So okay. Here's the next one the hotel. I was assigned to stat was on the west side of town, which would take about twenty five thirty minutes to get there. And then we get back. It was four in the morning. I rolled into do you go get a coffee, right, then at a diner. Do you crash in the car? Do you go to the hotel and sleep for a couple of hours, take a shower? Get up come through the game. Is late. I'm not a power through person. At that point. You gotta get leave. What you went to go to the hotel slept in the car. Well, I mean, you're a man it's different a guy sleeping. I don't have an option right for a woman. Well, I mean, but here's the one flaw two men who are thinking about this thing and sleeping in the car thing. And it was a great game. Wisconsin upset the then undefeated, Wisconsin badgers. I did take a shower. The gym case you're wondering about my hygiene, I got there. Thanks so much to the folks that was concert. It was cold like real, not California. Cole was like fifty degrees. You're like man's fifty degrees in California feels like ten degrees. Elsewhere, it was literally ten degrees. And I'm trying to catch a little siesta in my car and to wake up every hour turn on the car term the seat heater cranked up the heat. And then you didn't you didn't factor that in. I mean that was that was not a does not a good choice. It was a flaw. It was a flop which brings me to the Lakers. It does room to the Lakers. I got the plan. Like, I understood it. The Lakers were five years of nothingness five years of nothingness. And if we're going to be fair to rob Pelinka and a Magic Johnson last year they had to unload, bad contracts, some bad attitudes. They had to figure out the luol Deng around. Do they separate them from the team wasn't that he's a bad human being? But he clearly wanted to play his body wouldn't let him his contract demanded that he played. He started the first game the never played again for them, Jordan Clarkson. Was not seen as a winning player. Of course. They got rid of de ngelo Russell there's a lot of stuff to work through. So they shed all of those previous regime guys with the exception of zoo batch and Brandon Ingram. And now they had Lonzo ball. They had Kyle Kuzma, Josh heart. They added in the Brian James and the bench players were all kind of hit and miss. Former starters, some former stars many guys that have been journeymen, but the idea was a competitive group and defensively they've been outstanding don't have enough shooting. But also is only year one the LeBron James regime, and so in a recent podcast called the low post was that glow genie buzz had this to say about the idea that superstars don't wanna play with LeBron James. Here's the quote, I heard about I heard that about Kobe to Kobe Bryant to that makes me laugh because if somebody. Doesn't wanna play with the best player playing in the NBA right now. I don't want them on the team does feel like a bit of a direct shot at guys like a quiet Leonard or a Kevin Durant. But it also feels like what you don't want guys that didn't want to be there. They weren't going to be there anyway. But the question should be raised. Should they have traded for Paul George or should they try and move mountains and makes them trades now instead of waiting for the offseason and hoping hoping that they get a free agent. You know, we should bring in. We should bring in Katina Mobely who played eleven years in the NBA. Of course was on the all rookie team. Also plays in the big three. Tina Mobely joins us in the hurt. What's up Dino? I'm great. I'm great. Okay. Look, I got the plan. And I like I actually liked the Lakers more than most people. Do I think maybe you had a shooter? You're the second best team in the west because I don't think Houston's is good or or Oklahoma City shoots the ball well enough. But there is this sort of discontent with the bron- doesn't have another superstar with him. Do you think eventually he'll get one? I do I do. Listen, LeBron is amazing. Right. Like, you can tell his absence when they were third or fourth seed. And now he's not there. What night ten scratching? So I think I think that superstar will come and help. Lebron just depends on who. Right. So to why lunar it's the Kevin Durant. So whoever else in the free agency. I don't know if it's going to be a wing like the back in the day. Dwayne Wade ish kind of thing. Could be to Anthony Davis. They had the same age. You know what? I mean. I I don't I don't know. But I think you know, when you when you're dealing with other wings, and it's just of course, I could be wrong. Right. I'm just saying opinion. They're competitive. Yeah. So they wanna play against the greatest polls the plane with them. Now that was the whole thing I was told with Durant which was Drenthe DRAMs whole deal with he was convinced of was he just didn't have the space to do it when he was in Oklahoma City because they had so many non-shooters and he thought like look just give me a legit team legit space, and let me go against LeBron James modern legit, and they may have overdone it a little bit. But in the finals, he was you know, matching up first year it was a fairly fair fight. And he was better than the bronze better that was fair. Come on. Yeah. They want seventy three games before him. You have two of the best shooters ever to play. No question a game. No question. There's spreading the floor dog. If you had if you had two or three guys on the wings that no one can leave ever. Yes. And one of them is so. The ball handling the I q skilled the whole thing. Draymond green and eagle dollar and showing Livingston who are all point cards. Just give it to them all day long. Kevin me, you can literally do what you feel like going. Yeah. So you have no pressure. Yes. Whereas LeBron I don't think there's no I don't think there's no pressure on Durant. No. It's just more free. It's free. It's you don't have to really you know, what I mean. Like, even if you choke up for like, two minutes where you know in basketball, two minutes is just that's a lot of possession. Yes. You still have Steph curry Klay Thompson, Draymond green eagle dollar and Nutting undertaking against away from him. Yes. But you can put all your energy into LeBron or on both ends oppose aware LeBron has to think so much do so much on the other side as the leader than what you have to do. That's why I think is a so unfair for some people to say he dominated him. Well, I mean like, look if you if you go back if we if we go back in and relitigate the. Annals of two years ago. Remember, the kyri you had Kevin love. Right. You had. You did have an JR you had handpicked guys. Those guys he picked to create his own space. And I look was where the teams I don't think the warriors whereas good is the seventy three wins. I I know they won seventy three games. The wheels had to factor in that the bottom five or six teams in each conference have decided to tank if you go back to that year. Right. And the warriors were good, but they also had to reconfigure themselves and configure their bench because you had to part ways with bogut and you lost a Harrison Barnes. And there's no doubt that Durant is better than the two of them combined. But they lost the volume of players that they have. So that they had a three headed monster. At superstars I thought they were I thought they were they were better. But they weren't. I just I don't know if there as as as dominant as people would lead you to believe, it's just a different type. It is Denver tell you. Why really quick kyri Irvine is a dribbler? Yeah. So rhythm guy. Kevin love. Yeah. You're spot up. But that's not really your true. You're not coming off screens and doing all that you're spotting. You're not space in the floor with the Cleveland Cavaliers like Golden State can space the floor, even if career Steph curry Klay Thompson. Missing shots. You're still going to stay with them. So that gives you more room to do so much more. And you switch on everything. Whereas though Cleveland y'all not that fortunate to do it's interesting you bring that up Katina Mobely Joanie. I'm Doug Gottlieb been for colonists. The her joy Taylor alongside as always. Their ability to switch everything and hide Steph. Okay. Just hide staff as much as we can and everybody else can switch. It have great space. It's it's different with with DeMarcus cousins. And now you have two guys that people can attack defensively. Don't get me wrong. He's healthy. He's way better offense really than anybody ever had as a score Boga. I still think is while the unrated because he was a great screener illegal and a great passer, and he knew his role. He just kinda stayed protected interior. Correct protected the rim. Where's DeMarcus that they've always played small ball to win? Now, they'll have to play with more of a traditional big guy to win. If they're going to play him down the stretch. Are they as good a team with DeMarcus cousins as people would lead you to believe? A four fact are because DaMarcus complete from the high post IKEA, Chris Webber. He can play the elbowed high abo-. He can do exactly what Draymond green is doing. He just needs time to get his legs underneath them the confidence back and see exactly where cleared likes it stuff likes it. Which is soon as they get on the court. They liked the ball anywhere. So it doesn't really matter. But you have more point guards and high Q guys on that team than I've ever seen on any team ever in my life. Have you seen it ego dollar Draymond green showing Livingston Steph curry you have four guys? Now, you have the Marcus cousins, you have five guys that are like literally if they had to pass I guys. I don't think DeMarcus cousins the pass first guy. But I'm saying if they had to democracy cousins, he's not gonna puke the ball like he did in New Orleans as much so but he's because he's with so many guys you see him yesterday. He's watching the play develop. Steph comes off a curl. He puts it in front of them like a quarterback Steph bumps green, Jeff green and one. He's being patient more patient because that's what he can do does Chris Webber. He can he can do those things you know, what I mean? Yeah. So it makes it easier, but you have three or four guys, and I could just run around like the chicken with my head cut. No question. I do. I do wonder if Livingston's age catches up to them Igwe dolla got hurt last year several times at his age catches up and the different and cousins right now is cool. It's like your third game back game back. Okay. We come to the NBA finals in. Hey, do we wait need you to be a passer and you'd never played in a playoff game before? Now, you're in the finals, are you going to do those little things it'll be fascinating fascinating to see. I want to ask you about about Kyrie it feels like a light. Which has gone on. Right. He kind of calls that his teammates for not knowing what it takes to get to the mountain. And it didn't go over. Well, didn't go over. Well. And so then set of talking about it. He shows them. Now, it's a big game against the warriors. Not all big games, the NBA but tomorrow night's a big one, do you feel like Kyrie now starter on the Eastern Conference in the NBA finals has taken a different step here recently. I do I do I. Mm. All of us. What I would hope. So we all we all mature Bill. Do we get? And he, you know, he said it's himself, you know, he's more entitled and spoiled at a very young age. And you know, I think about it. When the Brian wasn't there? They weren't the best team. They were nowhere near there was at the at the bottom. Kyrie Irving in Cleveland Cavaliers, so we'll the Brown comes back. He teaches kyri not only how to win. But how to take your your body? Right. How to preserve how to do this? How to do that? So. I think he took that to kind of. It was more of a let's go guys. Right. Like before it was it was a new cute girl. Now, we got to start doing a little bit better. Now, you have two people know that you're coming here now. So it's. The last what two weeks three weeks, he's been a monster? What last year a leader being a leader? Right. Because he's all we can score and pass whatever. But just being a leader. And I think what them they would just try to fit who who's the leader? Am I going to still get my shots, this that whatever, blah, blah, blah, the whole thing where am I going to get my shots at the rotations? They got so much talent. There's supposed to be like this Euler best season. The NBA was like two thousand two with the rockets. Right. You haven't he Twenty-one a game? Do you? Remember how many shots you took per game. I don't know what seventeen at what would you have been able to do with the number of possessions? That James harden has the balk with a high ball screen and everybody else's standing goes. No don't pass me. Go. Let me tell you something funny. You can look at the tapes back then Steve myself. I would just so much quicker is the Stevie France, friends, right? France is one of my best friends. I love him to death. I haven't seen him in a while. But. When I was dribbling the ball up before. I got to have court. They were sending someone at me. Right. Tracy was talking. I don't why don't teams run a double. I have no clue. I just. Eighteen and a half shots a game eighteen nine shots five point one threes a game. So that was that was you guys were kind of ahead of your time in terms of the ball, dominance, you and franchise franchise being St. Thomas, and then you got Kenny Thomas who's like undersized big like right now Francis. See francis. Kenny, Kenny Thomas right was like an underside big, you know, twenty four now you'd be a stretch five in today's in today's NBA. Why right, right. But I just so when when you watch the way that hardened plays. Do you like it was funny? You say that I'm a fan of James. I love everything that James does it wasn't always like this. It doesn't. He was always getting everybody else involved in this spot shots and guys were cut to the basket. And he was you know, lobs to Clint cappella, and blah, blah, blah, the whole thing it just became more of like a more. Now, I think and their magnifying that oh unassisted sixty. Points. He has to do that right now. But does not get this twisted. He is a really good passer. No, he's he's a great path. He's doing what he has to do right now. And what he has to do is dominate. Okay. I guess maybe the better question is can he change his? Chris Paul comes back clean. Cappella comes back. You get ready for the playoffs. Can you does? Does this become your default where you're so used to dominating so used to having the ball, and those guys are so used to waiting for him to create can they go back to playing where it's he and Chris Paul and getting other guys. In fact, you can he's that he's he's so good offensively that he can listen he was passing ball to beginning last year year before that still dominated office. He's got a knack for the free throw line. Like Corey Magaji corden Getty. I saw had twenty seven points and shot the ball five times from the field and had twenty seven. I don't know who does that Corey McGee does James Harden's like that we have forty in twenty two points from the free throw line. I just want to know how many points you would have average if you took twenty four shots per game. And you took thirteen and a half threes per game and eleven free throws per game. Had the ball. Had the ball every time in your hands high ball screen everybody else standing outside three point line. You know, what I I didn't have that conscience right seriously? I didn't oh you did. Or you conscience. I didn't have that type of I had a conscience. I didn't have that type of do you have to really have your narcissism has to be at a certain level. Yes. And not in a bad way. I got it. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, you have to be like, you know, what is clean because you're also going to get your shop lock going to shoot you're gonna shoot an air. But you're gonna fire Scud up there. And you've got to keep keep going keep firing and believe you're gonna make the next ten and sometimes he does make the next ten. So I text them they play Portland in Portland and the first half and had a terrible first half, and he shot literally like nine or ten threes and missed them all and I was so pissed off. I'm like testing them like he'll get to get fifteen doing you making it so hard and a second half yet. He shot some fifteen foot fourteen some pull ups, but like. It's just that wave of basketball now where it's like either layup or three he can do so much more. Even though it seems like he's doing a lot scoring wise. But his post up game. You don't do starting office mega gay pay in you know, his mid range. He don't do where you can open it up. Steph curry does Klay Thompson does it. Kevin durant? Does it? So you know, you have three phases. Long short long mid and short makes it it makes it harder for defense to guard. You he does get to line. He puts you on the defensive great stuff casino mogul, thanks so much for catching up. So yes, Raymond scene is gonna join us upcoming next. Plus, we'll talk about a Pro Bowl addition of best for last where the guys are going to put my Pro Bowl knowledge to the test way to hear this one. That's upcoming next in hurt. Be sure to catch live additions heard weekdays at noon eastern, not AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. You know, people say necessity is the mother of invention. But that's not always true. Sometimes the mother of invention is advertising. Yeah. Or pure accident. How about ego maniacal delusion? Absolutely. Or just a desperate longing. To be cool. I'm Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. We're the host of the science podcasts stuff to blow your mind. And now we're branching off into the exploration of invention. Invention is the story of human history told one piece of technology at a time the things we made and how they made us invention publishes every Monday, listen and subscribe to invention on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you find your podcasts. Two thousand nine thousand nine hundred all-star game Saturday, eight pm eastern in San Jose is our discover card key matchup. Brought to you by discover get you a free credit scorecard today, if you're not a discover customer it includes your FICO credit score. And checking your scorecard won't hurt your credit. Learn more at discover dot com slash credit scorecard. Limitations apply. Raymond Seaney is gonna join us. Boom, boom bed. Seaney is going to join us right here on the set of the heard in a moment. First. Let's get to joy Taylor with news. I heard on the news. This is the third line news. All star game starters were announced last night, LeBron and Janas our team captains. And with the starters. Also course comes snubs spite averaging a career high in points, rebounds, assists, and steals. Anthony Davis was not named starter. Instead, Paul George up third front court spot in the west do you have an issue? I think it's mostly just because he's in a smaller market. I mean, he's hidden away in New Orleans. Cities swimmer. I mean, it is. But I feel like the thunder are Oklahoma City. Well, there a bigger name team in a small market because they have Russell because they have him like it is interesting that Russell Westbrook's not an all-star star all-star starter. And no one saying anything about their is interesting on some guys legacy. Which is a little surprising to me had a great year. Goodyear. Great year fifty percent of the vote is a fan vote. Twenty five percent of the players the twenty five percent for the media. So that's going to Mick some things around like, I mean, LeBron's been hurt for significant amount of time Steph. Curry was hurt. All that. He was right. It is interesting on some guys legacies carry them, right? And some guys don't. You know, look Steph curry was hurt. But he's having a great year. Kevin Durant kind of up and down some really some really good time. Some just okay times. But it is it is fascinating on how we're we're talking about. How Anthony Davis didn't now? Anthony davis. I I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I watch every pelicans game. Right. But I don't think as invested defensively and his team's not winning some that is I'm sure they would die to have Rondo back on their team. That's what changed our team kind of last year. But. It's fascinating to see. What we've US stumps. He'll make the all star team. So too will Russell Westbrook. But it is interesting on how fans and players. It's going to be interesting when he comes to the Lakers how much it's going to elevate him. I don't I don't know necessarily like you said when he comes the Lakers. And then you said, you don't know, look, I I I don't think I'm not I'm like ninety nine percent that he's coming because I do feel like if he has opportunity to not necessarily the money, but just cement yourself as a legacy icon in a city, even if it is though smaller market like New Orleans that that does matter at some point in your career towards your your legacy. So I don't think it's a lock although I'm leaning heavily toward Z Cam tidal. I I don't I'm not sure I would go lock. Okay. I would say in the nineties percentile because all we have the bread Trump's. That's what everyone's talking about it. He has the same agents. Lebron and why the hell would the Lakers resigned contagious Colwell pope to contract above his value? A second time after he had a DUI last year, and it didn't go well in less there had to be, you know, wink, wink, nod nod deal, but just imagine imagine for a second. Anthony Davis did not grow up a star player. He's not he wasn't LeBron James. We didn't know he was a superstar coming up. He was a point guard who grew and kept growing in highschool. So imagine you haven't had an he has a lot of money. He has a lot of stardom, but somebody puts out a piece of paper to three zero zero zero zero zero zero zero this is what you can sign for guaranteed. You will get every single penny. If you sign this and imagine the. Bheith in yourself to say, I'm good. You can trade me to the Lakers. It's it's a lot of money to turn down. I'm with you. So it's another day. That means another report on Antonio Brown. Mike Tomlin and the Steelers according to a new ESPN report from Jimmy Fowler Tomlin has apparently been telling players he tolerate Brown's antics as long as he's producing it at all pro level. A former Steelers players said Tom Lee Tomlin essentially told the group will tolerate now because of what he brings in the field. But the minute the production stops, you don't overlook it. This has been brewing for years. It's just now coming to the surface, and it's probably over very strange managerial approach to me. It's like, they're it's like, they'll have an open marriage. That's basically, what this is like, you know, look, I'll tolerated because she's just she's a ten and I'm a six that's what it feels like I just don't get it. I don't understand culturally. How that may. I don't either I don't understand the ovum marriage thing you're going to allow your wife to be with other dudes. But I mean the. I don't I don't. I mean, it's just it's it's like what what message does that send the rest of the team. When message does that send younger players on your team? And why are you expecting Tonio Brown to ever change how he acts if that if he's gonna continue to perform at that level? He has no fear. Like, he's going to do whatever he wants. It. Just doesn't make any sense to me. I understand Antonio Brown's responsible for his own actions. But I do think the culture that you establish at your organization matters. And all this tells me this is true is that it's not like this year's you're at the whim of your players. If this is how you approach which is which is why the Steelers traditionally and the NFL teams have have not signed long-term huge guaranteed deals because they want to be able to control egos like this because they don't they believe that if you pay a guy you've got guaranteed money, not have gone all in on on paying people. Just most of is goes, no question. But it's like a one a lot of one year deals. Did I also think that their their culture? Like, I think they've taken on the culture that Sean McVeigh has set which is we are pro player, we are a little more progressive and all that. But we're also here for one mission. We all have big names here. Let's all make it happen. I don't think that's happening with the Steelers. Finally, Bill Belichick doesn't like to reveal things before big games. John McVay a little bit different. He is a little more open when discussing how he plans to slowdowns Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. Yeah. It's a great challenge. I mean, there's a reason why he's arguably one of the greatest of all time because you know, he does an excellent job of identifying whatever defensive structure in whether you wanna pressure whether you want to try to put pressure with a four-man Russian play loaded zone or so man principles behind it. He's got such an ownership on being able to get the ball out of his hand in a timely manner. And then he's got guys that can separate that's going to be a key to try to get him off of his rhythm, which not many people have successfully pretty elaborate, Sean McVay way of saying we gotta get hands on Tom Brady. You got to push them off the middle. You got gotta pressure them up his spot. Yeah. You just mentioned a much cool. Football terms. Basically, we're going to need Donald consumer flat. And then one good time. Good good enough. That's joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie Rabo moments Seaney as a Fox Sports boxing analysts. And of course, PBC fight night Saturday that's tomorrow. January twenty six comes to FOX. He joins us now in the heard here on Fox Sports radio and the iheart radio app. Whom I wanna ask you about. Keith Thurman, of course, he hasn't fit bought in like two years, right? Two years two years or layoff is he Delopez who's gonna fight against look, I know that he's a WBA welterweight champion, but but two years of rust of being in the ring, and I know you can Spar how much do you think that affects them in this fight? Well, it's going to them a lot. It's got to because he's a first of all his style fighting like me, I was a pressure fighter. So if I came out lungs, I was off as nine months, and it affected me is going to take a couple of hours from to get reacclimated to the ring if it was a boxer like a Ray, Leonard type, you could you could do that. But this guy is these two punches right from the jump from most seat to Lopez opponent. I jump on right? From the get is that his style hose. Eat the Labus hosted a little is the pressure fighter. But you had jump on them quick Keith room and likes to move around. You know, set the pace that is to control center ring, create distance like said Jose Lopez out to do that. We saw many pack. Yeah. The only guy that agent thought that. Jim Brunner one with age Boehner, right? Like somebody like age. No, no, some watching pacman mush them fight. And I'm thinking, we're gonna get me whether pack y'all again, aren't we we're we're gonna are we going to get it again. Why because people are going to buy it's going to make a lot of what crush treat to see that fight. I wouldn't what crush treats city-fied. I have no interest in it. It it it it was it was a stinker the first time and. When you stink debt baddeck. I can't get no worse. So it's got to be better. But I know business wise. Yeah. For millions watched the first time if you get a million people to watch this time, it's a success. But it means nothing to the boxing game. It means nothing, sir. I done this. I've done this radio. I've done this radio thing for over fifteen years, and sometimes it's just treat. I'll say who's the heavyweight champion the world, right? And people people know that that's really what's changed in boxes. Right. Because the because the fighters are better, there's still grit in the in the in the lighter belt. There's incredible incredible fights. But the heavyweight champion used to be what we would all our parents would Finally I by the fight because it's the heavyweight right is is wild or that guy's deonte while because he's a great athlete, and he's so big and long and angular is he that guy that we've been waiting for. Well, I like them I like them because this is a sighting is that big tall guy who throws punches. You know, he comes out. She punches from all angles is exciting for me. I enjoy watching a Johnson, Walter. Yes. But it's funny. You say that because people often. Say to me. Where's the next? Great American heavyweight. Yeah. I said he's probably playing an MBA people send me up, but the great Knicks white heavyweight. I said he's in the NFL because a good athlete, and you most of these guys are great athletes. Why wouldn't you be in a team sport where you guaranteed contracts, and you know, when you got? Security, and you got unions and all that stuff. So when you retire you have a pension all this stuff. So that's what we don't see the best athletes anymore, but the they are but the fighters to good to do good. They are better athletes didn't once word, but they're not better fighters. I've I've long believed, and this is just a a non fighters belief that may weather. Mayweather's really, really cutting. Really, isn't that the last five or six years, maybe seven or eight years? He hasn't fought a fight that he could lose. No. Like, there's no way he could lose to a guy who's never been in a boxing match before. But he'd allowed you to believe. Hey, wait, a second. Maybe I maybe I could he didn't fight Paki out till Paca was past his prime. He then fought an a fighter like, I I think he's. But at the height of his brilliant is he in fact, the best fighter you've ever seen. No, no, not people who said to me, I said Floyd special. There's no dispute he's a special talent. They said time said all time top thirty forty to look at. Are. You kidding me? You're talking about the great guy. John, I quit rooms, Charlie. Bernie, these are fighters absurdities of forties. Fifties. Deller put him in a back pocket used them for change. Are you kidding me? Even never got away with that stuff that shoulder role. They had made him p blood for a month. Come on, man. Stop. He's a great. Talent. He's the best of the twelve run era, twelve rainier. Could he go fifteen? We don't know he never had to we like to think he could. But we never had to in the last three rounds which were known as a to chip Brown's thirty four hundred fifteen changed. The course a history a boxing from Joe Louis would never be Billy Conn. If it was only twelve Ron's because Joe blow's knocked him on thirteen rocky Marshall, wouldn't it be Joe Walker. He was those thirteenth and relented was way way beyond time. He earns morning in the fourteenth Ron of theirs. I fight. That's why the two chip distance is fifteen runs. If I make you Commissioner of all things I'm exhausted. I love it. I know I love watching you on fight night the rate, Raymond Seaney joining us, of course, you can check that out. It's tomorrow night on FOX if I say, you're the Commissioner, you can create one dream fight that everybody's gonna watch. Who is it right now from past and present no right now. Oh president. They can't you can't you can't dig up dead bodies quite fights. I'd like to see the great welterweight division. Now, you got railway class though to grey worldwide vision, I like to see Earl Spencer, terrorist, proffered and other fight. I know Mikey Garcia moving up to fight zero. And that's gonna be a terrific fight admire. Mikey Garcia for what he's doing? But for me a Luma chango. Mike Garcia would be would the other fight. So Crawford Spence nominate Loma and Mike. You remember WBA welterweight champion Keith Thurman taken on Jose Lopez Keith Thurman, two year, layoff, zip Lopez as boom boom told us pressure fire light, boom, boom was in his. Own right. Should be a great one watch. That's PBC fight night on FOX, right? Thanks so much joined the history lesson the energy eleven that's it. I'm done. You're not done. We've got other things to do. Don't worry. Don't don't move coming up next. They're gonna put my Pro Bowl knowledge to the to the test. I can tell which Pro Bowl moments are real and which ones are just creations of the production team's imagination. That's next in the best for last be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. Doug alley been for colonists. The her joy killer kind of to put up with me for the last three hours. Thanks so much for making us part of your day speak for yourself upcoming on Fox Sports one my show upcoming on Fox Sports radio. The Pro Bowl is this Sunday. I know I know com- your Simon listen, I'm not going to sit here and tell you when you should or should not bet on sports. I will tell you that the Pro Bowl if you've been if you're betting on the Pro Bowl. Is like if you're betting on WNBA like that's the time in which you you you got a problem you need to dial it back and have somebody talk to you about things. But the game features so many NFL SARS. You would think you'd have immediate memories too. I mean, look as much as major league baseball all-star game is at one at once was thinking about the all star game moments. You can think of in major league baseball Jackson's home run, for example, Ted Williams in the Gulf card as everybody comes out to greet him. Felt like Wade Boggs hit a big home run. Of course, Ray flossy getting taken out by by Pete Rose at home plate like you. Remember baseball star game moments. You remember basketball star game moments? What about football the crew wants to test? My knowledge of the Pro Bowl. Let's get after it. It's tied to see of Doug can remember which unforgettable Pro Bowl moments really happened. And which moments we totally made up in a meeting earlier this morning. Get ready to play Probo our show at I get schmo. Boss mobile. All right. Did this Pro Bowl moments actually happen? The year two thousand four legendary colts quarterback Peyton Manning sets. The all time Pro Bowl record by throwing three hundred forty two passing yards in a performance. Nobody would ever forget. And I mean ever. Pro Bowl or schmo bowl. I'm gonna go schmo. Ball, I'm going to sh mobile. I. That happened. Yes. Payton's passing yards record still stands. I can't believe using the game that long that's the part. I don't and I can't believe he turned. He didn't turn down the Pro Bowl. Okay. All right, next one. Did this Pro Bowl moment actually happened? The year twenty fourteen long before Nick foles becomes known as a Super Bowl MVP. He takes an equally important, title Pro Bowl and NBP. It's performance that nobody has ever ever ever forgotten. Two thousand fourteen that's back when he was at the eagles. He had that great year. I'm going to go it happened. I'm gonna say it happened. It did happen. Halftime for Dion Sanders team. He went seven of ten for eighty nine yards and touchdown. He won offense of MVP even though his team lost the game at twenty two to twenty one. So we got the Jerry West right winning even though his team law win the MVP from those team lost. Yes. Who knew I knew. That's yes, you guessed correctly. Pro Bowl moment actually happened. The year two thousand legendary NFL receiver Terrell Owens puts on one of the greatest displays of receiving ever. Racking up two hundred twelve yards in a game that nobody will soon forget except possibly Doug godly. Doug did actually happen, right? We had to that happened. I'm gonna go. This did not happen. This year. The numbers were correct. The year was correct two thousand but it was actually Randy moss. Te'o. Got moss in that one. Yes. Yes. All right. Very clever. Did this Bobo moment actually happened? The year two thousand five Tom Brady enters the game. After halftime is the backup to starting quarterback. Peyton manning. He goes on to throw a pick. And then never plays in a Pro Bowl ever again. The actually happened two thousand five he never plays in football. I'm gonna say no it did not happen. Oh, Tom Brady hasn't appeared in a Pro Bowl since two thousand five because he's been busy preparing for the game that actually matters which is the Super Bowl like that. That makes sense. All right. Did this moment actually happened the year twenty twelve off pets explosion for the ages the AFC NFC combined for a record one hundred thirty nine points with the AFC pulling out the win seventy one to sixty eight on a last second field goal by Sebastian Gina Kaus skin. Everyone definitely remembers that one. I'm going to say no way. I would remember seventy one. You're right game ever happened. We made it up at Schwebel most pseudo points scored was in two thousand four and that was one hundred seven AFC fifty five fifty two honestly didn't know that either to be till they came. Okay. All right. Finally, did this Pro Bowl moment actually happened. In nineteen ninety nine Bill Belichick appears as head coach for the AFC. But he's not representing the patriots or the Browns. He's representing the New York Jets. Shirley, nobody will ever forget that happen, right? I'm going to say it nine hundred ninety nine it happened. Yes. He filled in for then jets had coached built ourselves. Bocek was the defensive coordinator for the jets AFC won twenty three to ten and the NFC head coach was Dennis Green. Then it's too late. Dennis green. Wow. So what did I end up? I ended up three and three or four and two or five a one. Can I believe disclose something what I've never actually seen a play the Pro Bowl life. It never watched any of the Pro Bowl not a play life. I went to the Pro Bowl one year in Hawaii. Jason was in the Pro Bowl cities time that makes sense, but I'm not much trouble anymore, admittedly. I love I love. It's just one of those things. It's like Collins just say this women's basketball, right? Love women, love basketball, women's basketball. I'm not not not a huge fan of like, I love football. I love Hawaii. I never watched never never watched. I don't I feel this way about all all star game. I'm with you. I feel like these skills chancellor Orlando far more interesting than the actual game. I watched the homerun derby. I watched the three point contest and the dunk contests the skills challenge like videos, but the actual game to me. It's not really a game. 'cause you're not playing most of them are not playing defense everyone's trying to not get injured. So the other part too. That's a big part for football. That's why I've never been. In watch football baseball. So pitchers can't go there. They can throw. But then I can throw really hard, and you're not gonna pitch guy for eight seven eight innings, but but the other part that's ruined. It is we can all see these guys play on TV like in baseball. But you should not be interleague play. So you wouldn't see these guys? Now, you can see them all play. Plus you had the league package. You can see them in football. Now, you can watch you. If you can't watch every team play. That's on you. Right. There's just no investment seen most. These guys play basketball is the one that should be better. Because playing defense you're not really running a true risk of injury. I do you think if you have kids who are big fans of football going to the Pro Bowl is probably a fun experience for them. Because you you probably get to spend time around them and go you have a deadline. Good fan experience when you went fan. Okay. Because I was just saying like fans football go. If you have kids give it to Jason wanna hang out with fans. I only I don't remember. It is big for the no, no, no I'm saying like at the skills challenge during the game. They probably have a lot of fun fan experiences going on similar to what goes on with the Super Bowl. You know what I mean? So going to Provo as a fan, that's probably a funny 'cause we've covered a lot of stuff. We've covered a lot of ground Pro Bowl won't watch. But I am I can't wait to watch the Super Bowl. And I do think that that Brady in his greatness. If you win why not drop the mic and walkout a winner. After an unbelievable winning Kan city, and what would be a win against the team that everybody thinks has the talent to win it and all year in the Rams to call me back on Monday for joy Taylor. I'm Doug Gottlieb have a great weekend. This is the hurt. Hi, I'm Ariel Casten. And I'm Jonathan Strickland and together we're going to tell you the stories behind some of the biggest triumphs and failures in business. That's right. 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Patrick Mahomes' contract, Drawing A Blank, Fast Break, Stories to Start Your Morning

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Patrick Mahomes' contract, Drawing A Blank, Fast Break, Stories to Start Your Morning

"Good morning everyone. Welcome to first things. First general alongside Nick Right Kevin wiles. Eric Mangini big weekend for coachman genie his son's graduating in a virtual graduation from the eighth grade. So big feet must be a proud dad. Very proud pride on his face. I love it. We got to fund Friday. Show to help him kick off his huge weekend coach. House Zion could affect the NBA's near future. Why Jerks did it might actually be the perfect fit in New England? And what would forty million dollars look like in your bank account while you may soon be able to ask Patrick Mahomes? That's where we start on this Friday morning. The chiefs have begun negotiating with their all. Everything do everything quarterback on a contract unlike any other words working in homes favor regular season. Mvp a super bowl win and a super bowl MVP. Oh and they're the favorites to do it again. This season loans will undoubtedly be rewarded with the highest contract in league history. But Nick is mahomes good enough to carry a chiefs dynasty if he goes from his current four million to forty million plus per year over the course of the next couple of years. Of course listen. The problem in sports is never paying the best like they're the best. The problem in sports is paying the average or above average. Like they're close to the best and that is in the NFL and the NBA. Any sport with the salary cap do across comparison that the Lakers are about to offer. Anthony Davis close to a quarter of a billion dollars. It will be money well spent the bad contract for the Lakers was the sixty four million. They gave Mas Golfer. The seventy two million. They gave Dang years ago. Because you were playing you were paying as if you were getting greatness for mediocrity in the NFL we live in a world where Ryan Tannehill thirty million dollars per season on a brand new deal that was just signed. So you can't look at any of these contracts like forty million dollars you say. Is Patrick mahomes worth one pro bowl level player? Because that's what you get for ten million the spread more than Ryan Tannehill. Is He worth one near pro bowl level player more than kirk cousins? Who just signed a new deal for thirty three million per year and the answer to that is unequivocally absolutely obviously yes and I'll add one other point wilds because of the chiefs have an excellent Jianmin village because they are not waiting on this. They have an excellent opportunity to be able to give him a contract. That sounds unbelievable but actually doesn't kill them say they gave him five years. Forty five million dollars per year. It'd be two hundred and twenty five million bucks but he's already under contract for the next two years at twenty seven million total so that would that would end up. Being is seven years. Two hundred and fifty two million. That would be thirty six million dollars per year. That's a bargain so you could sign him today to five years. Two hundred twenty five million and it's a bargain because you already have the years going into the final two years of zeal. I should say so. No there's no number where he's not going to be worth it. Yeah I agree nick but for five years to thousand five. If I was Patrick Mahomes team I would turn it down. I think Florio made a great point in his article when he talks about a deal. Unlike any other that mahomes should actually get a percentage of the CAP. That's the only deal. I think he should sign. There's so much money coming down the pipe. Twenty twenty two when all these? Tv deals happen. He has to sign a percentage of the deal. Here's Katie Drummond. Been Great on this stuff. He writes a lot about Dako for the cowboys but he's also great in the CAP. The last TV deal signed in December. Twenty eleven for twenty seven billion was done less than six months. After the current it was a sixty percent increase from the previous agreement similar growth. He goes on to say would put the next deal at around forty three point two billion and that's without the sixteen regular season games. You know seventeen game season in two additional postseason contests at least adult some international games that. I think they're going to break out into a new package. More money's coming more money more money and I know everyone's GonNa say like. Oh you got to do a rookie deal. You can't have the quarterback up the cap off. It's just a percentage of the CAP. It's locked in. You can build your team. Here's some guys who have been successful. It doesn't all need to be on rookie deal Brady one far one. Eli One. Peyton ONE STEVE YOUNG JERRY. Rice and a ton of money in that deal too so coach. If I'm Patrick mahomes signing any number I'm just signing a percentage. We just respond to a couple of things that the list show. There's only one quarterback that's won multiple super bowls when you've been over that percentage that that ten percent Mark and and. It's hard to do when you look at Kansas. City's cap there near the bottom. The League in terms of of salary cap expenditures right. Now you've got other players that are coming up like Travis. Kelsey is in the second last year of his deal. And it's I did nick that you're going to play out the final two years of the contract before his new money kicks in. That's not how it works. He's GonNa want his money now and it's not going to. They look at New Year's new money and those final two years was deal aren't necessarily own way into to this deal. The new money is GonNa hit now as opposed to being pushed off. So you've got to do a great job after you. You invest this type of money into a player with the way that you draft and then managing the rest of the team. People don't WanNa take a discount especially when the quarterback is getting paid that amount of money but unfortunately the salary cap is is finite. You can't just spend uncontrollably and people lose sight of that and it's an equalizer and and how you manage how you a draft is going to determine the success because he hasn't become a better player is just become a more expensive player speaking of whether he'd become a better player. Nick put what Mahomes has done. Maybe into a little bit of perspective Second Super Bowl this year dude was legacy second super bowl. Well coach this is a great one for you because right now Patrick mahomes having started two years in the NFL. Here's what he's done. He's won the superbowl. Mvp's WANNA league MVP. He's a top five all time quarterback season he's quarterback to top three all-time scoring offense. He has the highest. Winning percentage of any quarterback ever barely nipped your guy. Tom Brady percentage points. He has the second most career playoff. Double digit comeback quarterback ever only behind Tom Brady. He's got the highest passer rating. Ever in the best or the second such interception ratio ever. So if they were to win another super bowl in short order like if they were to win it this year. Is there the Vegas favorites? I have this live this quarterback pyramid if you will this post merger swim to worry about Johnny United Sonata Graham. That's not but we'll show it to you in a moment. The quarterback pyramid of the best. There we those are the best eight quarterbacks of the last fifty years coach. I know you said to me when he played five games. I was ready to put him in the hall of fame and I wasn't yet but if they win the super bowl this year and he's already done all those things and he's a two time superbowl champion. I think that pyramid looks like this pyramid. I in key joins Rogers Breeze Farben Marino as one of the ten best quarterbacks of the modern NFL era. And that's with respect to Kurt Warner Steve. Young Roger Staubach guys didn't make the pyramid. I know that you're not giving the chiefs next year Super Bowl in you. Shouldn't if they win it. Would you even be okay with a pyramid that it would be hard to argue? How good he is if he has the same type of impact this coming year as he's had in the past and the things that he's done has been incredibly impressive the way that he's been able to rally the team has been impressive so. I'm taking none of that away from them and I know we're doing a lot of if if if it it. It is going to be really interesting to see how he deals with success. And how this team in general deals success and you you give me a hard time about saying wait and see but I do think these are all tests of greatness and dealing with adversity is one level of greatness and then dealing with success is another level of greatness. So if he's able to perform the way that he has and and lead the team the way that he has I would. I would be comfortable talking about him about there. S took me be right now wild so happy at what just happened your head coach. I'm sorry but I'm over the moon. No it's it's I mean if if if yeah if they went again. I mean teams really. Haven't been in the pattern of repeating. But if if if you love to do yeah then maybe be comfortable talking about that. It's a Frie- Friday. I think if we did this on Monday coach would feel totally different. I'm feeling a little nicer. That's right. It's the graduation coach on the show for I three years. It has been proved to me. I prove it's me. I proved to me I. We're added a place where he may actually be joining excite a little bit. This is a win for Nick. Let's just leave it there and give it first things first with coachman genie were drawn a blank. Cardinals White Out Hopkins wants everyone to know that he's the best receiver in the NFL. So he told everyone. He knows that he's the best receiver in the NFL. Said if he had quarterback drew brees like Micheal. Thomas does or if he had quarterback Matt Ryan like Julio Jones does his numbers would be even more off the charts so nick nukes comments are blank testament to greatness and as wise man once said. Show me the LAI. This a guy who was a multiple time all pro despite before Deshaun Watson came into his life to an years ago. His quarterbacks were Matt Shaw Case. Keenum Ryan Fitzpatrick Ryan Mallett. Tom Savage Brian Hoyer. Tj H Brandon Weeden and Brock osweiler. And he's still just produced guy. Like Nuke Larry Fitzgerald. Who's done it over almost twenty years with only a few years of solid quarterback play it is on independent position like wide receiver. The guys who've been able to do it with a WHO's nobody of quarterbacks are the most impressive. It's not to say Michael. Tom Is wouldn't have been able to do it but we don't know that he could have. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that de'andre would have been even better if the first five and a half years of his career. He wasn't dealing with a bunch of backup. Quarterbacks coach was this eighteen percent incorrect. And what I looked at him and Michael Thomas who joins was catch percentage and his catch percentage is at sixty percent and Michael. Thomas is at seventy eight percent regardless of. Who's throwing the ball the balls that are catchable? How many do you convert? And he's converted at a lower rate. Does guys do. I think he's great. I think he's outstanding. Do I think he could have been better with a better quarterback? Yeah but the numbers of the numbers. I know nick you live by those. There's nuance sure. Well Nick I wrote Trumpets Blare and he. I've been off for a while after this. Tom Brady fiasco. Thank you just in In the Bronx back in Tampa Bay and I've tried to get behind Jareth. The javelin and I am supporting you. Jared the Javelin one hundred percent. What my announcement is this. Deandre Hopkins is my new favorite player in the NFL. New Favorite player. Oh I eat for for fifteen weeks. Fifteen weeks they played the Patriots won for the rest of the time the Andrea Hopkins. You can show off Monday or if you play Thursday night game show up every Friday and I will be unequivocally on your side trumpets blaring screaming your praises your minute favorite player. Congratulations Yonder Hopkins. I like that big announcement. All right on to the packers now. Apparently they're goldies as is to continually find ways to annoy Aaron Rodgers case in point drafting Jordan. Love second case in Point Matt forcing quote one area. We really need to improve on his creating more explosive. Plays Nick comments on the packers. Offense are blank ironic because you know who met before should have said that to instead of to America to Brian Guten. Kuhn's the day before the draft. You know what good way not to create explosive plays when your first three picks of the draft our backup quarterback power back was projected to go in the fourth or fifth round and then h back what year to the packers if you want explosive plays the way to do. It isn't to essentially draft a couple fullbacks in back of quarterback that ain't getting the job done well at least in free agency. They're big skill position. Acquisition was Devin. Funchess so yeah. More explosive. Plays in other words. Erin if you could please do a little more of what you've been doing. The last decade which is create explosive plays despite us not giving you the requisite weapons to expect those explosive plays just wish look forward said this to someone that could actually help. Aaron Rodgers in this situation coach. Yeah I said this was. This was lovely. Because it's gonNA frustrate Aaron Rodgers. Take a quarterback in the first round. Talk about explosive plays. But it's not just that it's said they were tenth and explosive plays the year before the floor got there and dropped to nineteen. So it's not. It's not the that air. Garages doesn't have the capacity to do it now. In fairness to the floor this is an offensive built off of play. Action throws down the field so the better. The running game is the more effective than running. Game is the better the opportunities for those big plays down the field. Janae had confusing because I talked to dusty about this and he gave me a graphic that changed the way I looked at football. We can put it up. I don't think you need a big place. According to this graphic yet packers were nineteen. They did break. Chargers refine freighters. Not Great Chase twenty-second in big place. Oh packers went. Thirteen and three. The chiefs won the Super Bowl. They're not having huge. Plays so I don't know if you actually necessarily need big plays confusing stat of the day. Basically Aaron Rodgers should've said thanks for the compliment onto Patrick Mahomes. Now what do you do when Phil Mickelson? Invites you to participate in the next widely popular? Can't Miss Celebrity Golf match? You tweet this. I'm ready whenever Nikki might be busy in early. February but other than that mahomes participation in the next match celebrity golfing event would be blank. Geno first of all great job by you. Not Saying he might be busy in September October November December even January. I love that you said early February when the Super Bowl's held that is spectacular. Nuanced work by you now. The answer your question patrimony disobeying the next match charity. Golf event would be a turning point and by that I mean a turning point in the negative direction. That would patrick. Don't this. This would be when America turns against you because we've seen him. What top goal is what that thing's called bombing at four hundred and fifty yards if the best quarterback in the league the most talented quarterback ever shows up on on TV golfing. And He's also a great golfer. People won't like him. Brady being awful may grading more humanized more likable. This go the other way for Patrick so stay out of Patrick. You don't need people to be like you know what I'm sick of this guy so just focus on the football. Maybe little hoops. If you want the off season so let coach see apply. You'll get all upset at you but no don't do a patrick. Yeah to me this. This is a little bit premature and shocking. It's it's premature or not premature for Nick. Put Out of his two super bowls or Ben Rothlisberger with his two super bowls equipped Tom on. What's he's got another apply Super Bowl lead on on? Mahomes let him play. You know file other guys. Maybe it's grady and You know anybody before. We PUT ON THEIR PICK. I it that was perfect. He's dirty idea. Look film. Got Three three match deal with Turner bleacher. They did the first one pay for view on the our live. This one was on cable. Just next what's going to happen. I think this will be productive for Mahomes. I'll take a little book Page OUT OF CAM. Newton's book the Iron Sharpens Iron. Nick I actually thinking could learn some things from and I'm not trying to like fresh guy. Learn something actually think you can learn a lot from Phil Mickelson hanging out with Tiger Woods on championship mentality and mental strength. I think it would actually be really productive for all right. Let's with some saquon. Barkley who's squads have the circumference of Montezuma Cypress. It's a big tree. Look it up on the Google checkout the giants pro bowl running back casually squatting five eight hundred five. They're seated squats but whatever. It's still pretty okay. Coach saquon squat and five. Eighty five is blank yet to me. This is aspirated when I work with this type of way. I don't nearly get that many reps and my formula is a little bit is a little bit off compared to say croissants. The a very similar size So that's good but I I would like to to be able to throw this up like that stroke coach. You gotta wear the hat. That's why a lot of times you're just wearing a backwards baseball cap. GotTa wear full knit hat. Keep your body temperature up. I went with productive here. Nick when you look at like a lot of these workout videos and people are you know lifting boulders and things like that and I I wanna see actual stuff that makes a difference on the Field Sake. Wants done so well breaking tackles this year. He's third in the League. Last two years breaking tackles action eight productive exercise for. I'm of a similar mind said useful because unlike James Connors v cut or whatever the hell we saw yesterday they should actually help a running back. But that's not the most important part. Sometimes sometimes the world geno works out just perfectly even in the hellacious here. That is twenty twenty. You said in your T.'s. And I didn't know you were going to use that. Even though they're seeded swat the reason I wanted this in the show was when I saw this on instagram. I saw that comment on the right. And can we zoom in on that comment on the right because America I found General Wolves Burner Account. That comment on the right rings. Okay like it's impressive. Anybody ever taken weightlifting serious knows that when you do that kind of squat with the binge. It's a lot easier than going parallel now redacted so you can continue you can continue to roll pro athletes with your workout tips your burner accounts. I ended the is safe for now. What I just burner account say it again. I didn't even do that. I can't sell my kids are GonNa have a burner limited hold on. No no I after I have fun. I must respond America. Do not take this playing dumb act seriously now at times you might say his general serious. You can't really tell when it comes to instagram. She's an expert. She's was what I feel like she was. She's been on the platform forever if she knows anything. It's about commenting on workout outposts on instagram account. Trolling Sake Down Barclay. That's a fact America Nick. I can't wait until I get to troll your next segment back here. First things first with Chris are running a little fast break to get to all the big NBA topics of the day. I up the NBA Return. General managers were recently served about a playoff plus format so seventy five percent. Were in favour of a play in tournament style with the other twenty five percent siding with a World Cup Group Stage Format Knicks. Start with you. What do you make of this? Well I think a lot of people look at it and say a wild the play in by very popular. I don't know if that's as much the case as that grape stage nonsense could only get seven. Gm's to support it. I Adore Kevin. O'connor he's a big proponent of this I talked to him the other night about it and argued with them privately. All say no publicly. It is a terrible idea. It just awful and I'm the. Gm's agree with me this idea that we need to do to the NBA. What you have to do in the World Cup again. The World Cup is a group stage. Because you're drawing soccer clubs from the entire globe they are not competing against each other throughout the qualifiers and there's no fair or adequate way to rank them that is not the case in the NBA. In the playoffs. This year we were going to involve the UEFA teams. If you were involved up the league that Luke used to plane in Spain then maybe group age would be necessary but assuming we're keeping it to the America and the Toronto Raptors. I think just the regular playoffs. Maybe a plane spine the group stage should never get off the ground wild. Yeah I feel like the group stages officially dead her. I think this is sort of a hallmark of silver. Ten Years Commissioner. He's a lawyer by trade and he's doing his due diligence to look at all the options so group stages probably dead. The play has a little bit of momentum but more than anything I think receding is going to happen. They've talked about all three of those options. But I still think receding is the one most likely to get through yeah. I'm just so glad that they've knicks this group stage or at least it appears that way. I don't understand it. I'm always confused whether the world tough the Olympic. I've no idea what's going on with group stage the American. I don't think like a European. I've no idea what's going on whenever they have group so I love the play in it rewards the themes that are on the bubble and still have a legitimate chance to get into the playoff and it doesn't punish the team that already had top seed though. I think this would the GM got right start. I'm with you. I ask Nick to explain stage to me. This morning he did. I still didn't understand it. I was too embarrassed. Aspirin to explain it again. Sticking with the play offs. Brian Win worse recently. Said that some around the league the NBA's proposed plan for an expanded. Postseason is all an elaborate plan to get Rookie Zion Williamson and his. Pelicans into the postseason. Nick is actually possible that Zion could affect the NBA playoff format always possible but it would be outrageous. Nobody's a bigger Fan Zion than me but this is a zero sum game folks if you if you try to tweak the situation to allow the Pelicans to maybe get in you know who gets left out John Mirant and I would argue on a long time horizon it is better for the NBA for John. Mirant to get some publicity this year Lindsay Jaap Zion's going to be a star and a media sensation no matter what. A lot of America has never watched John Murray play and seeing him in the first Brown against the Lakers might raise his star quality enough to the NBA has another young super young marketable superstar. And there's one other point about this very important. We already know the two teams with the best record. And Baffle the two teams that earned the one seed. Milwaukee in the Lakers are GONNA be added. Not at a disadvantage. We're not going to get their full reward. Is Hard as no home games. No one knew anything about that. That happens but if you then make it. So the two teams with the record and basketball have to in the first round play the only hot teams that exists in an era of pandemic that you have to play a team that just wanted tournament to get into the playoffs. You are actually penalizing them for being the one seat. You'd have been better off of Milwaukee to be Toronto and be to seat here the Lakers. You've been better off being the clippers not caring about the regular season. Be The two seed so for that reason I think it would be added unfairness to the two teams. That have done the most this year. While I like your take on John Mara. I haven't thought of that but just in dig in on Zairean everyone gives credit to the NBA for being a star Driven League. Well this is how it works. The NBA doesn't control commercials. They don't control how well the stars play. The only thing they can really control is exposure. The PELICANS had a franchise record thirty National Games. This year they played opening night. They played Christmas. They played on. Abc A broadcast network games the first time since two thousand nine so look. I know everyone's saying like you can't change the format for one guy but we're sorry this is how it works this is how NBA May stars. Nick stop it with the oldest would punish the top seeds if they can't be the New Orleans Pelicans as young as they are. They don't deserve to win the championship. I'm sorry if he's something happened. That the Lakers of the bucks bet the Pelicans in the playoffs and lost. So be it. You're not deserving of winning the championship though it is what it is I think. Overall this Zairan comment that Brian Windward may it's made more among executive. I think it's made a little bit more in jest than actually really believe in it because look you mentioned Nick could be left out what you forgot. Other Luca could be left out. I mean if they play a play intern for seventh and eighth seed. You can not only lose John Moran. You can lose. Lucas Donncha with obviously a budding superstar in the league. So I don't think it's a it's a plan to get dying in. I do think it's wise though to give these things. On the bubble and teams that have superstars with Zahn Damian Lillard in the issue Guy Bribery. Ville to give them a shot to get into the playoffs. I think it's fine. And if Zion Athens to make it even if it's at the expense of Luca or Josh Miranda all the buzz that he would bring would be good for the league because again remember they'd be competing with the NFL. We're now changing things up so Bradley. Beal's twenty four and forty Washington Wizards a chance. That's the we talk about the great. He's an awesome player. I Love Bradley. Beal put the idea that well it would be unfair to Washington who is sixteen games under five hundred. All the Poor Blazers Bill. Four Blazers poor eight games under five hundred. They're this is the softest bubble in NBA history. We have we have seventeen teams in this league under five hundred. I am not worried about making things as fair as possible for them. It just. It's somehow this resulted in a team like Washington making the playoffs and Dallas Has Dallas. Have Forty wins forty wins. There's only even sixty seven game. Played Out I what resort blame you personally? It will be your your voice. You're promoting this your hold you. Let's move onto Kevin Durant. His Brooklyn Nets teammate. Spencer Dinwiddie did some posturing yesterday saying quote at eighty percent. Durant is Dirk Nowitzki at one hundred percent. He's the best score of all time. Nicole dangerous or the nets if durant doesn't need return for the play offs wildly dangerous especially if he gets back to one hundred percent because Gordon if he's correct durant's been playing at ninety percent his whole career because one hundred as best of all time thus far. His career isn't even the best four of his generation. Lebron averaging more points per game so look out if we ever see one hundred percents grant. I guess we've just never seen it yet. But to this point I feel terribly. Katie in this spot. It's already starting wild and is something. I hold you personally accountable for you. Keep saying every day on this show. Oh It's been four. Hundred is going to be four hundred days. Kobe came back. This Johnson came back this day. We know Kevin Durant got as big a rabbit ears as anyone in sports. You know. Here's this. This is unfair pressure on him. Those guys didn't come back in the cauldron of playoffs and those guys didn't hurt their didn't pop their Achilles coming back from an injury too early. The indeed tangents question if he comes back of course. They're incredibly dangerous. I just think it's unfair to even kind of subtly implied. He should be thinking about this. Not subtly implying. I love when you say cauldron of the playoffs. It's my favorite besides take integrity is number one. The whole of the playoffs is number to look. We know why I'm just not wanting zero percent. I know that Katie loves basketball and I know that Katie loves telling reporters to shove it. And we've yet to hear Katie. Go on twitter. Does he have twitter? Resort I've yet to see him go on twitter and say everyone. Stop My name out of your mouth. I'm not coming back. Don't talk about it and not just for reference it's going to be around four hundred days. Rudy. Gay came back with watering seventy day after two hundred seventy three days after torn Achilles just throwing it out there before hundred days long time table. It's just wouldn't be absurd if he came back. If you want to shove it fine. I'll be quiet on. Never talk about again if I'm Kevin Durant and I'm fully healthy again. If he's ninety nine percent don't come but if he's fully if he feels back to normal if the doctors are saying he's okay. This is great for him because if a strange situation nick as you mentioned they're trained seating reseeding all of that anything could happen in this newfangled playoff we might have been nets might be able to pull off an upset and no one would hearing of them would expect anything and they go out losing the first round. Nobody's GonNa say on Kevin Durant doesn't have it anymore or anything like that with just brush it off but if they somehow pull off enough that get it going. This could be a chance for them to win the championship. And Look I tell you this will be so dangerous if they have Kevin Durant Kyrie Irving. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole receiving thing dot and Adam. Silver said you know what this whole and meet the Lakers in the first place. Just go back to east West so we don't have to put the Lakers in jeopardy. I think the Lakers win. Don't get me wrong but the nets would be dangerous and I give him a legitimate shot at beating anyone outside of the L. A. team the Lakers and could resent includes the bucks for the buck. They're young as still haven't really proven in the Post Season Brooklyn would be majorly on Carmelo. Anthony now recently said quote. Mj's the goat. He's the greatest ever. We all know that we all agree to that. Why can't we say that but also gave Lebron flowers while he's here to why can't we say NJ was very great? Lebron is very great. Kobe is very great. We're not allowed to say those things today because it's always this or that and that's just our society you have to choose one. Would you make of what mellow had to say? All right so a few things here first of all mellow and by the way. Happy Birthday Carmelo. Anthony and I want to say anything bad about. The man who delivered by university are only national championship on his birthday. Mellows little wrong and a couple of regards. One is Lebron folks. Have no problem saying Michael Jordan is Great. It's the other way around the insecure Michael Jordan clan that some of which is Lebron really top ten that first of all second of all. I'm I'm a little surprised by mellows lack of loyalty here even if this is what you believe mellow. You're part of the banana boat. Crew supposed to say that at the pleading the fifth through something. You can't smell be on the record saying we all know. Lebron Michael's the greatest. What are you doing mellow I expected more loyalty from your man. He was the earlier part of this quote. He's basically saying comparison is the thief of joy. Very nuanced stay. Mellow answer from mellow doesn't make for a great TV debate segment so I don't think we can invite Mellon but it's a solid answer. Bizarre fully. Look Kudos to mellow for staying true. Nick you're always about pick integrity take integrity. I in props choosing his making his choice. Kendrick Perkins channing. Frye all these other guys. That are Lebron Buddies. They don't beat out of if they just want to give it to. Lebron Melo is saying I love Lebron on demand is Mj and and I got to stand up for MJ gold fans. 'cause I obviously stays the go but I love Lebron. He's the May and I as the second best. It's not about loving him Jay. You gotta just Brian. I Love Lebron. He's just he's very great and Kobe's Berry. Mj is very very great. You know who very very very very very great Mike Tyson. Who may have finally found his comeback opponent next on first things first? You can share that on your guys. Mj propaganda weekly Sunday on F s Wine Nascar Cup series racing is live from the legendary Bristol Motor speedway catch all the action from the biggest stars in Racine beginning at three thirty eastern on F s one and Fox sports APP. And we're back here on first things first with coach me. Jeanie time for storage to start your morning. The NFL has decided to table. The fourth and fifteen onside kick alternative which means all the plays that nick through for Mahomes and read. Were a waste of time. Sorry Buddy Nick disappointed by this. I am a little disappointed. I understand there were potential loopholes. They needed to address. I thought we addressed him on the show yesterday quite easily. If the team that's leading goes for it it's an time down at the team that is trailing goes for it. The clock runs at the very least. What they could have done is said. Hey here's how it's going to work. You can only do this once per game. You can only do it if you're trailing and the clock runs that would make it very black and white to at least try it out. It's not like the onside kick situation previously was perfect or they had to make and they didn't have to make a change but I would have really liked to see them. Try this out so wild. I'm a little disappointed. We're not going to get to see it. I am too. I think this is the process. Though nick remember I think the forty niners introduced it last year. This time the Eagles introduced a and I think it was dead on arrival. When you said there was a few loopholes we address them on the show on Monday. We had one loophole that we've found another loop on Wednesday and then on Thursday so I was like Jeez. I don't know if they're in the owners meeting like I don't know if you've saw these segments from first things first guys with a few loopholes that we can keep the tape up to nick right before we vote on this thing so I thought it was. It was not necessarily proof yet coach Kevin. I thought he'd be disappointed. Because New England's probably need this this This rule change this year. I would have liked to have seen it at least we done in. The preseason experimented with a little bit seed. See what it's like in practicing the NFL and then be able to either ratify it or at least have more information next year when they when they discuss it. That's onto a rule that they did pass prohibiting clock manipulation through DEADBALL PENALTIES AKA THE MIGRATE. Will Bill Bella check role coach? You okay with this yeah. I'm okay this bills bills like that accountant. That always finds the loophole when he's doing your taxes and then the irs closed the loophole. It happened with the double timeout situation. I it's happened year year out. He finds some area that that has the potential to exploit any doesn't until the windows closed. Yeah I think this is like I think it's best buy if you find something that goes on sale. You can bring back the just the and you've already bought it. You can bring it back and get that price. So that's what I think the Patriots you do now that this rule is not allowed we can go back and either replay. Maybe the last few minutes of the titans game or file a formal protest to have that struck from the record. I think Belgium still looking at it but that game does not count the NFL. Just announced it. Well done wild listen shoutout to the NFL. Great job by the NFL for closing. This loophole now. It is a little frustrating that this loophole was wide open and never closed when only the Patriots exploitative but the moment when it's us against them they're like nope GonNa Change Out of your forever. I mean coach the irs. Your neighbor has found a way not to pay his property taxes for a decade. And then you're like. Oh let me get on that immediately the next year. They're like nope now. Everyone's got to pay him so. Evidently we wanted this loophole close. All we needed was for someone to pull up seven years ago and it would have been closed but now that it's been used against New England. Obviously we can't allow that to happen anymore. So the rules. Melvin James Good job. Nfl Great Perspective. Nick all right on Jarrett Stidham his former Auburn coach. Gus Malzahn Gay some insight into the Patriots. Second Year quarterback saying quote like a coach in his approach. She's in the full room. He's asking questions. He's breaking down plays coach. How valuable this quality having your quarterback they really need to hope is that he's not like a coach on the field and plays like a coach. Study can actually play at a high level. They lost the ultimate coach on the field with Tom. Brady so anything any anybody who comes in. And it's going to be you pale by comparison. Most quarterbacks refine our guys that are are in the film. Roman doing those things. Let's see how different is than your average quarterback in that in that area? Yeah it didn't seem like much of a compliment. I always support Jarrett. The Jabber like he's in the film idea. I hope I mean the other news in this article is that the Patriots signed. One of his former teammates will hastings nick by ten seventy four caught. Twenty six passes so deandre hopkins my first ever player and we'll hastings number two. Don't know your yet but looking forward to meeting you five. Ten one seventy four sounds perfect. Took one seventy four. So I I agree with you entirely wilds that Gus Malzahn. It's almost like an insult by omission. Like hey listen. I can't tell you has got the greatest arm in the world crazy athlete. But I'm he tries studies. He doesn't I what Troy Book were running and go. You stole my line. I'm kind of flailing here a bit. Because I was my line was going to be. It's got. He doesn't play like a coach coach. Of course to whittier. One of the two of US got it out there. I so yeah I mean. This is what you would expect from his college coach to say. I Suppose Whittier N. Prettier onto some boxy. Now everybody or Tyson was offered a million dollars by classic entertainment and Sports Boxing to fight journeyman heavyweight kusa. Mono Nick is this more enticing wheelhouse for a comeback compared to some of the other offers the twenty million for the bare knuckle all those different all. Those different fighting options are so few things here. Because I'm very personally conflicted because while I try to always be non biased in everything. I must admit to America. I do have a soft spot in my heart for Italian American athletes and I always try to root for Italian American athlete. So when I saw Giuseppi Angelo Clue. Solano was going to be in fight. I'm like oh I wanNA bet on him. I want to go with him. Is always going to be a fight against this monster who I really WANNA see. I'm like I don't know what to do in this situation but I think Kevin Wild. This is the first step to getting the fight. We Really WanNA see none of this head and deer three rounds. Fort Charity no Tyson in a ring with a real boxer even if he's a journeyman and with real rules regular regulation rules and key can do that is stamina. If he doesn't. It doesn't look ridiculous then. I think there will be a real thirsty for one of the fights. We actually want to see from the fifty-three-year-old Iron Mike Following of course in the great footsteps of older boxers coming out of retirement George Foreman and Rocky Rocky Balboa. Yeah I think I think this is part of the process. Now we're talking about a real fight. The one million dollar purse though. That's like a youtube at. We're JUST SKIP AT FIVE SECOND SKIP AD. It's not a million dollars but conor McGregor got one hundred million dollars Floyd got to seventy five and I know you're saying like well Mike. Tyson and fifty. Three is not floyd in his later years. Fine let's say there's a tenth of the interest that's still twenty seven point five million dollars. It's not a million dollars but we are on the right track that this is going to be real fight. If it happens coach I mixed thunder and they have me go third I think has got to be a lot a lot more than a million dollars flight. Tyson wasn't fighting very productively late in his career. Comeback at fifty three years old. That's an that's an awful lot. Ask and the person's going to be punching back. He's not just going to be punching bag if he does well. You know this may reshape. Tom Brady approach and he may decide to play. Fifty fifty five sixty. Tom Brady found a way to squeeze Tom Brady and their giant question for you. Because you're the only of the you're the only one on the set up. Let me be a. You are the only athletes on the set. You're the only one who actually did some contact violent sports though you were a great wrestler here you still work out every day. What's the dollar amount for the name? Seppi Angelo Cusimano to be replaced by another great italian-american. Eric Mangini for me. There's no amount of money because I would die. You could make it out of the ring. What'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? How long the last doubt I know you? Do you get not doubt that's fine. Yeah know Mike Tyson even at fifty three would can do some serious long-term damage. I don't know if there's a dollar amount that would put me in that raid. I coach was going to be like from free by really opened. That was going to be any with some chiefs now. Wide Receiver tyreek Hill. Had the hot take of the day tweeting. He's convinced every cheeks fan has a dog named chief. Well we happen to have a fan on staff who happens to have a dog Nicholas. Is there any truth to this? I'd love to know you're on camera. You just heard that his name's Ma listen. This ugly old miniature Schnauzer is my dog. I'm obviously achieve span and while I'd love to support siree kill. He's wrong. I have one dog I've ever had his name's Mo I'd put more on camera but he's very scared right now. He's also deaf and blind to his early. What's going on? Most name is not cheap. Renamed him cheap. I thought about naming my daughter. Who's right here as well? I thought about naming. Her teeth would levy on camera their yard. Maybe no it's Mo- Indiana instead of cheap and you should go off camera now because everyone off go great week and everyone seen Monday.

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Surf & Turf: Former Jets All-Pro Center Nick Mangold

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Surf & Turf: Former Jets All-Pro Center Nick Mangold

"SURFIN TURF podcasts. We've got several champion Willie. Cologne was Lord on. I am Stephen Che. We just wrapped up a wild wild card weekend set for the digital around now but in the wild card our weekend we had two games go to overtime. The is something that we don't regularly see especially in the playoffs now. Overtime rules in the playoffs are kind of the old. Nfl Oh Or a little bit of a mix of the new and old because There's a fifteen minute period overtime period and like there used to be in the current. NFL regular-season. There's there's a ten minute overtime role but in the playoffs now It will continue. There will be another overtime period. If the there's no winner at the end of the first overtime period it's the same roles as the regular season. Where if you score touch on the first position when the game if you score fuel the other team has a chance to either match or beat you with a field goal or touchdown so bad rule? I don't you gotta play defense for Chrissakes. Yeah so we walk off. Wins by the The Vikings things Who took the first possession down kirk cousins very poised great third Adam feeling on the third down the the the Fayed Kyle Rudolph which was not offers passengers? So let's talk about the car roof when he lied when he learned about their small as DB of guys man cowered offers. I six five six. It's pretty much opposed up play Bro. Yeah if I'm not. DB following do anything but let them score. Take the penalty Do anything but they didn't and saints go at home. They blew it. It blew that exactly So the XFL rules which actually starting in a few weeks after the Super Bowl came out today and we want to take a look at this because there overtime period is much different now when the XFL is their first ration- the NFL actually took a lot of those rules. Rules and innovations sky came as one of the things we can thank the XFL now huge. Yeah Great Guy Played Skycam. I stared at it. Yes distracting I. I was wondering I was a ball. Ever GonNa hit that it hasn't it hasn't but I feel like what bulbs hit. There were deeply moved out the way they do you mechanically move it. They do but it's not it's like it's still like a human thing like someone is pulling those strengths. Yeah but I don't think I'm just waiting for it in fort anyone who okay anyway XFL shootout style overtime. Each team will get five single play possessions from the Five Yard Line if if the game is still tied at that point they'll do rotating possessions until there is a winter extra hopes. This'll be a rare occurrence based on their Also different extra point rules which will have have a one point two point. Three point play. We talk about as well So just to kind of define that Instead of an extra point of the show and there will be three options. A one point play from the two yard line which will be you know. Lebanon eleven no field goal kicking a two point play from the three yard line or a three point play from the tenure online. I feel nobody's GonNa go on one for one instead of they're going to be two or three skibo. Yeah exactly so Willie would you think of these rules and should the NFL adopt an emmys. Great Breeding Ground for three point. Play from the tenure of ten. I might that. Yeah I I think how much scrutiny kickers get now. You know you look pretty much damn near Suicide Watch every week because right and they can't knock it through the UPRIGHTS. I mean look at the Alabama and I don't mean to go to college but look at Out The kicker from Alabama was the guy's name but he shanked the big one. I love costume. Because they end up losing about three or something like the somewhere Aymer. I'm Ernie that's what I mean. But even go down to the saints game in that Saints Game via the kid looks at nineteen in a row. He missed that one that was crucial jinx them hard before that the crush them so If you really yelled out if you really get down to it if you got if you're coaching you feel like you're you're kickers confidence is waving a wavering. Yeah I like that. I mean they originally change the rule for the extra point to push it back to make it harder so there would be some some Mary ability or we're seeing now is even Justin Tucker. You know the greatest of all time missed an extra point so it's no such there's no such thing as a sure thing with the extra point anymore. I do like this. You know one two and three anything that can give a little bit more strategy to the game. I like so I do like I do like AAC vis I think all day I do like to listen. I'm also a fan. If if you score another team have a chance to score. The China is like in like I just mentioned when we started talking about. How Rudolph Dog? I mean he's a hell of a titan he did his job went up. And got it. Touchdown you gotta give New Orleans a shot just to into cancel it like that in a playoff game after the season New Orleans last year by getting robbed by the saints. I mean by the refs that was that that's a hard pill Swat elise inbound from a game aspect you if you drew brees is forty one that could be possibly drew brees last. You know I mean that's that's hard man allowed you to say you know what at least I had shot a shot at TIRONA game or possibly winning it. It was robbed. Just because Kyle Rudolph did his job. He'd had a chance to do his job and help his team comeback win. I do like the XFL overtime rules of like that shootout very similar to college. But just it's kind of in closer. I think I think if it were adopted it would change the game because if you look at five single place in the five yard line. No overtime doesn't happen that VAT often but when it does and you get down close. There is a premium on bigger guys. So you look at guys like Brennan Marshall. Who'd be you know a big time target Karadzic Michael Thomas Mike? Leo Leo. Yeah you got you got these big receivers big targets you know. You can't necessarily double them as easily early in close because you're not gonNA screw safety all the defense and use the back line as an extra defend right where But with such skilled receivers that are that size I think they would put an extra stor premium on them at the next level if they were to implement it overtime. Roll like this So I think if the NFL were to adopt US row from the XFL. which I do like make it would change the game? I like it but I also before we start training things less address. The issue as stated is one that if a team mm scores of the team the opponents have another opportunity to react the rebuttals score would ever on flipside of that too I I also think if you're going to start adapting rules from the XFL you've also got to add something to it like I feel like just totally copying. XFL Kinda Mix XFL better either. I mean I think the XFL is a good breeding ground for these new rules. It's a good test like in the minors and stuff the roll out all these things and then you know eventually adopted in the pros. I I don't think there's any comparing the two lees and we haven't technically seen the new XFL yet. But I wonder how they handled the APP. I wonder how they handle Replace Yeah that'll be interesting NFL It's three plays definitely slowed the game down which I don't love everything off and everything looks. It's like pass interference in slow motion. Not even that go back to the The clowney hesitating clown yeah and against wins like my brother. My brother was furious. He's I may. He should have flagged obamacare thrown out the game. I was like he's bang playing right. You played a slow motion years dirty. You play in real time. He's trying to make a play. I mean he slid leads with his head with a guy going to crown. I mean also you think it was attention. Have you known guys that. Yeah and tackle that way we are just straight up Bam Bam bigelow headbutts. It wasn't a Bam Bam bigelow head but he was diving at him he was trying to put an eleven head. The man six six. What do you want him to do? Push us this happened. I mean the guy was going down. Put Your hands on a Markham down. I don't think it was intentional. I think a look like I do like that. Indian cloudy embraced the he'll roll. What's being forgotten here? Is that when Geneva and Clinton was looking to be traded his top two preferred destinations Philadelphia and Seattle so he got Delta Seattle. I Dunno if He was always spurned by Philadelphia And Joe Banner and Howie Roseman but are not Joe Banner Fuck Jeffrey Loria. And how and how he Roseman I didn't know the name so I don't think he was necessarily spurned by those guys but it definitely sent a message and I like telling brace the he'll roll basically you know as you've been fans on after the so you saying Cloudy one smoke after the game. He was go rhino. On the fan base up and just encouraging the fan base is notoriously known for being NASA earth. Go Top five worst fan bases. They're up there so I don't think I don't first of all. I don't know the history of cloudy like I don't think he's. He's never had smoked eagles before now. So why would he walk into this game intentionally outside of just being a defensive in attacking a quarterback what other what other motives did he have. They didn't come get him. They didn't come. He wanted to go. There them Eh there or Seattle Seattle the move. They didn't give up a lot to get him granted he didn't you know resign so it's potentially like a mercenary deal but Philadelphia. had their chance again. They didn't you know credits. An Eagles they fought really hard the season not I mean the guys off the street during China. Josh mccown Form Bucks quarterback not so bad with us but seems like a great guy and Gets US first playoff appearance. You'll up to see that Speaking you have guys that played in the Games we had two of the legends of the Game Brady Breeze and we're not talking about these safety from Oregon but Tom Brady and drew brees reas- they're both sitting. We were sitting on a couch. They are true so both of their contracts are up after this year. Tom Brady cannot be franchised. He wanted to have the ability after twenty years of service with the Patriots. Alex that sounds amazing it is incredible to basically dictate his own future. We're that agreed but where that is is going to be interesting. It looks like Josh. mcdaniels is on his way out and will likely be the coach. Cleveland browns. That is still to be determined. He very well could be back. Are you calling it. I've been calling him in Josh mcdaniels to the browns. Yes now after Brandon Marshall last week and you know the The browns Lecco of John Dorsey than freed up The role for a coach. GM now the remains to be seen what can happen with Paul de Podesta's like kind of their analytics and like VP guy But if they hired Josh mcdaniels it would likely mean deep S.'s out mcdaniels kind of can shop for the groceries and cook the meal. WHO's take who has taken over for the panthers? Panthers just hired today Matt Rule. WHO's the coach from Baylor? Seven years sixty million dollars in. What the fuck has he done? Not a fucking thing. That's my point. Correct why the fuck does he deserved that Contra trick the options are pretty slim I really like Erc the enemy. The that's who I thought that's what I want and that's why I wanted giants to interview. He's a hard nose known for being disciplined guy some of them. AP loves him. He was a good ball player from my understanding. He had some time. Why why doesn't a guy like that get to not? I don't know Interesting move by the giants going. Joe Judge but let's let's stick to our top of quarterbacks Can you foresee Tom Brady or drew. brees in a different uniform next year. Brady yes breeze. No I felt like I think you I. I think the game that the laws against the vikings you saw an aging breeze. I looked at the big turnover At the end the Clutch Turner. I love of that replay replay where they thought they have touched return. That was the sweetest overturned of my wife was here. She stabby that and then you can tell like this walks walks out. I watch football because my wife and I was even done I was there this year for game when he played the car nose. You can see. I don't know how to express it. You can see the time like it's is changing of the guard when I was there and I talked about this earlier in the podcast Couple episodes go when I was down there. I was down there. Marcus Colston He was inducted to the hall of fame. And this is when breeze came back off the injury for sale horizon for their by right before to buy and Teddy had took him on a five game. Winning streak. Crowd was chanting. Ted Ted as breeze was owned events. Pretty much the breeze. Because they wanted to they wanted to see teddy breeze. Goes back out there. Obviously Braxton wreck Monday night football. But you can see you can feel like he wanted this year to kind of be his Kobi tour. You know what I mean like the farewell. Thank New Orleans. You've been great. I've been great. Thanks for appreciating me and even even after the loss against the Vikings. He's always been a class act but he like he like he was done. He looked he didn't like he had that face of just like all we we blew it. This is horrible Brady leg. You know what I'll be back. I don't know how we'll be back where I'm going to be back but I'll be back. We're GONNA talk about it right now like Brady. You seem to have and I'm and I'm just talking. But he seemed to have a little more Gusto to his post-game speech than brees breezes. Like you know it is what it is. I'm on I'm out of here so I to my point I see Brady landing possibly indie landing possibly awesomely in Oakland CHICAGO SO I don't know but drew I. I don't see you replying anymore. Yeah it should be really interesting is when you get fucking Tim Tebow to two point. Oh was Tyson Hill. TESA MEL Tyson Hill. That he's a monster guy and he was cut by cut by the packers. I know the packers. Like what the fuck we'd jack-of-all-trades master of none. He's a nice chess piece. And you got Teddy. Need to back them up or to a heathen back teddy back. Obviously but but ted is a free agent so they are kind of that they are kind of at this crossroads. I mean speak Saints Fan Panther. She want drew back. Does she want to start. I think a lot of people. Have you talked to a lot of people right now. After the way the saints loss they WANNA see Teddy. Oh I love it I love it I Love Saints. Fans juice no disrespect on on drew but teddy people. People were a big fan of drew. Brees nor Orleans hates you official. Yeah I WANNA move on the young guy. It's funny because Teddy Bridgewater like the big knock on drew brees is like he can't throw the deep ball he couldn't that's why they have the the Pickett that that then in the first half I mean a teddy bridgewater is based weekday arm strength. He can throw it a little bit better than drew brees right now but like I mean. We're Parson hairs right now. Yeah but I you know Sean Payton is GonNa make it work. They did lose second-year edge rusher Marcus Davenport Court In the middle of new like twelve. Thirteen minute that was that was a big injury forecasted at the time that was a big injury that came back to my and they didn't have his ACL tuna third time. Yeah that's three so it's rough man. Gruff and that defense is credit to saints defense. They had a really good year You GotTa Credit Cam Jordan in. The Mario Insurance is a monster. Lattimore Jeevan doors Jenkins from leaving the giants. He came but he jumped on the saints in had impact. So off They're going to be fine. See but I I can see Brady moving on where somebody else's helmet burris. I can see brees hanging it up and be like you know what farewell congratulations to the two thousand nineteen NFC South Division Champs the New Orleans saints on a great joy watching the Super Bowl But yeah the Tom Brady. I can agree as that. E- seems to have that fire in his belly. I could see him going somewhere else. So many greats have ended their career not in their normal jersey. Yeah but I've been thinking about quite frazier on the cavs. Yes one aspect but I also think what motivated Koby to win his fifth ring. The in fact he did it without shack. I think Brady wants to look around and say you know what I did it without Belcher I finally that Dow kind of be the cap on on his his legacy. Because you I mean for so long. People were saying like Kobe Nevin. You'll never would win without Shaq. He did it narrow as I go. I think Brady really won't step step. The Vegas released their lines for where Tom Brady could start the twenty twenty season. The front runner will surprise you. I mean the a friend of the Patriots but the the front are not being the Patriots. The Non Patriots owner but Cleveland browns which ability wild. That's assuming because Josh mcdaniels a fan favourite to land there are no would brady go with him. And then what the heck would they do with Baker Mayfield. I know that Josh mcdaniels pre-draft was very big Baker. Mayfield the the Patriots Calica last minute visit and supposedly Loretta train at the number two. If Baker Mayfield fell to leapfrog jets put an all-time storage so unsexy for Brady. 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Mike Miller over there not the next coach but he is a excellent employee of Roman All right so with that. We're going to get we're going to give you the interview with seven time nine pro bowl two time. All Pro Center jets center. Nick Mangold took surf and turf podcast. We've got seven time pro bowler two time. All pro jet set for life. Nick Mangold doing good. How you doing great man? Former former teammate of Willett Clooney is next to each other on the line and I mean the first thing we got asked before we've been getting into your so. What's this guy like play next to them in the huddle willies? The best he he he comes out he is. He's a brawler right. He's a dog and he gets after he does not care who's across from. He's going to give it his all and he's going to grind through And and that's something I think that was built through Obviously the bronx coming through Hofstra Our program or a PR Yeah backed off. And then I think forged steeler elimination coming in with us. The New York jets Willie's homecoming party coming back to New York. And you know after winning Super Bowl steelers and everything and incoming in he did a great job and I think the biggest thing That you took from Willie it was right wrong or indifferent he was gonna hit somebody and that That was fantastic and It was it was an absolute pleasure next so I gotta ask this. This is a story that a few people know of two thousand eight. That was the earth. Five thousand eight. I had just graduated Hofstra. I went back from my dad actually worked long island time so one morning I was like I want to go in with you. I WANNA stop by and see Brett. Farve practice jets fan I can tell you are decked out buffed up so they had at Hofstra when they practices. If it had a fan fest in the parking lot. They rolled out. Had things like you know. Throw to like an air inflated like Liberty as Kohl's kick a field all that type of stuff One of the events they had was a forty yard dash where they had some intern sitting forty yards away with a stop watch and like a forty yard carpet. Basically Iran I first time time four. Four seven four four force of unofficial unofficial second second time four three third time and final title time four hundred zero now. This was a time. The two thousand eight jets were fairly thin at receiver. I was twenty two at the time to people who saw this and claim like. Hey get somebody over here. So we were almost teammates almost. That's that's fantastic. That was probably So that would have been eight. Never probably during training camp. Yeah that was when Brett Farve Agip showed up. We we had just acquired him from Green Bay. And we go out for the first time and Mangini had a rule if there was a penalty or a a fumble You had to run a lap and a whole team or just the purchased the person who had the infraction and this was right when youtube was starting to come around and It was very fresh. New really knew what it was. Four in the point And so Britain I get out there and we fumbled the ball On a quarterback center exchange exchange and obviously it spreads fault because I can snapped shit out just hall all a famous breath hall of fame. He's fine he'll he'll figure it out but so I can stop bullying but And so we're running this lap and it's a penalty. They did something wrong and there was. I think in that crowded a little hostile area where the The ASTROTURF was The packed in like thirteen or fifteen thousand thousand people to see this practice and they're cheering US cheering as we're taking this lap was like as as I'm running this lab with Brett and it's hot and you know I feel terrible and you know he's got the evil And she I'm like you guys are cheering us. We did something wrong and as we were walking back in for practice as someone you know one of the interns came of age you guys have two hundred thousand views on youtube or on this lap and I was like I. I don't know what that means. You're going to need to explain this to me. And so that was our policy to have two top players on the team to go a lap. Usually you give them a mulligan any like the next time I mean you give Brett farve animal in two thousand eight. That was my third year so all right so a of you know she was pretty much. I mean you were you were guy but Eric Mangini. Yeah everyone was bottom rung and You know they're Brittany were running. I just can't imagine Brett farve doing because he fumbled the ball. Wasn't I'm sure he wasn't going full. Bore Sprint Oh we were homerun because everyone's cheering and everything but I think he took it as break as I go along. Yeah we get a couple of F- software. The first time I heard it all right. Isn't this my Brett farve store. Let's well one of those start chronologically. Lots leased so you grew up Centerville hire an Ohio. Higher played football wrestled and did shotput Attracting Eighteen Backtrack Enfield track and field. Yeah so you went to Ohio state was was there was there. Was that an easy decision since you were in Ohio kid was that like always the place he wanted to go. Because you hit in Michigan or something like that or were there other options it now so the actually remind me on the Michigan side. Because I got a good story about that But there were so through recruiting. I got I got a call call from Clemson's offense of line coach and we talked for about an hour my Junior year and a week later I get a letter in the mail. And we're we're offering a full ride to Clemson and I'm sitting there with my mom my head coach and so I think we have to take it. You know I haven't gotten anything else And so well let's visits visit Clemson I and NC so we visited down there had a great visit Clemson as beautiful That has a campus And so we came backup and I. I knew that I was doing a house. States camp And then Notre Dame's Cam and so I went to high states campaign. I got offered By Jimmy Trestle etel house dates camp and I was like Ooh I'm done. I gotTA hesitate offer. I'm out and I was told by my parents like no you need. You're supposed to go to Notre Dame's camp you were gonNA fulfill this commitment. So we went to Notre Dame and then I got an offer from Notre Dame so then I was sitting there with three offers. One was throw away because I think the Clemson one was just kind kind of A. Hey you know maybe they were serious about it. I don't think they were But now how state Notre Dame we're very serious and my we had a very split household my mom of being a good Catholic Lady that she is Notre Dame offered you Notre Dame and my dad being from Ohio. D You you're going air and so it took about a week and I couldn't get past going to a host like I was once that was offered you know. That's where I WANNA go. Is it partly because you're from Ohio. Oh you grew up watching the buckeyes play you know you watch it and Eddie George Andy cads. More variable Luke fickle all those guys That was the it was once they offered was guaranteed. You know so I committed then and then follow through obviously but it was a lot of growing up in Ohio. Have you always hated. Michigan's always it's something in the water. And that brings me back to my Michigan Story. So you go through. And you had a Michigan before being in Bugger. Oh Yeah Yeah. And it's in the water and he'll have on. You Hate Michigan. Yeah nothing good coming out of Michigan other than maybe Dave hairs and even in the jury still But it's so we're we're going through the whole high school recruiting process and one of the big things was all the schools would send out questionnaires and they would send out Just little AH pamphlets and little things you'd fill out send back into give kind of a record of who you are and and where you're at and everything all the schools would send them in my mom. God bless her would dutifully beautifully fill them out and send them back for me and so we're going through this and you know you get little flyers. Oh you should go to Wisconsin because of so and so you know all these things and commit to a House Day. We play my senior year. I signed my letter. I'm ten so I'm sitting in my head coach's office afterwards words when I'm Kinda coast and through the rest of high school and ours. I you know I I got all these. Recruitment little flyers and leaflets and everything from a lot of schools. Even ones that I wasn't expecting you know something University of Washington just random them on what's Harvard. There's no way I don't know if I got the position blocked a big. I and I was like Harvard. Yeah they they should know better And so I'm talking about Kushner's thing I've got a bunch of them all big ten schools at least like a flyer you so you know Mac and everything. I never got anything from Michigan Fan. I find it strange. McCoy looks and goes. You got a lot of stuff from Michigan. A I really he goes. Oh yeah he's ended all the time. I just threw it away. Oh No player. Mind's going to Michigan. Wow Okay okay coach. No not at all if miss come on that. We've only one if your senior year. I don't care who you across the country if Michigan knocks on your door. You're early can have a conversation. You're saying if it's my only one right but you entertained clemson and at the time he thought it was only one right so of Michigan. Not that you do even though you choose to Ohio state You telling me with other offers. You still want entertained with other offers. No that's hard. Yeah that's real strong. Hey it is. That's what I hate that state of north. I do uh-huh okay. I mean I just feel like unfortunately you know Brady solidified that Yeah so two thousand six came out out. Mike mayock actually called you the best center prospect in fifteen years and you do not or do you remember that. I sent him very nice Christmas card. That you're just reminding him what to say Ask obviously very nice. I don't believe him. So you got picked twenty-ninth over all the jets same draft as Shaw Ferguson. Who went fourth overall Did you think you're going to the jets like did you have any other. Feelers are like practices from owners or coaches or something. We're going so I had no idea I Am I going through the whole process We get done with our Senior season we played in the fiesta. Bowl beat Notre Dame. Go Bucks Scream Brady glint. And we get done sitting there talking to buy agent. And he says you know we're looking maybe amid around mid third round pick That's where your projected at right now. I'm telling you the time at the time right. Come right out first of all you do that. Tell talk about your senior class. No you kinda thing you had Bobby Carpenter Babacar. Aj Jayhawks Antonio home homes you Dante. Witter Right Rob Sims uh-huh played for longtime nate. Sallie you guys had a squat. We had a school now. If you if you retire by that who you just mentioned right now it's a surefire bet you're going first round even with that class at the time it was projected there mid third round that was what came back from the NFL. That was what you know it was projected And that's you know that's what we're we're going on. So that was probably position to centers typically or not typically or not typically. Yeah No of course not and You know even though they should be first round Top Ten picks put aside the point. I think you know after seeing that and then I I was slated to go to the senior bowl And I had a fairly really decent performance there And then Followed that up with a combine Where I did Pretty well and that kind of just interested up and so as we were leading into the draft You know the guys take draft. Visits would go fly around the teams For private and my roommate. It's I'm Jayhawk And he was flying he was cross country left and right who's fine from to every because he was projected as a top three. Pick things the fifth picnics. Fifth pick overall And so I'm sitting there and finally at some point I called my engine like I'm not taking any visits I'm not getting drafted him and I didn't. I did not take one visit really draft and that's because that's out of thirty two teams. That's thirty one night. I didn't go to combine. I didn't put it in all started. I did yeah. It was all over the place the only team that I missed ridiculously San San Diego. I was my girlfriend. My girlfriend at the time We thought we got to the airport on time. Missed it right whatever. Go Back Hofstra wake up the next morning taking more time for that won miss that one. Aw Cycle I call my age is like so this is not call in San Diego and you miss your flight again. We're just not even going to have that conversation. I don't know what's going on what you really beat your head out your ass so when you kiss. I never ended up charger Bob Yourselves so wow took no visits zero visit. Wow Man and actually the first time I stepped into Another teams practice after cut from the jets down in Baltimore. I was the first time I said step in another NFL. Because I didn't take any visit so I didn't think I was getting drafted And then leading up right before the draft My agents were sitting here. We're looking at maybe a high second around pick You might dip into the first round. We don't know You know we'll see how things go and then draft comes round. I'm sitting there playing around around the golf that morning. I had a A timing issue just like your son didn't realize what time the draft started I'm on the fourteenth home my mom calls and say hey the draft starting. I'm not done yet. So actually missed bricks. Pick and I missed. Aj's pickles tossed finishing up golf Got Home and then was very fortunate. Got A call from Mike Tanum Hey we're going to pick you Talk to Eric and and And then gus our equipment manager who was asking me about numbers. What number do you WanNa pick and said fifty five and he goes? Well that's already taken and and Match Adam linebacker. He played with New England for long and he No one ever said you you could maybe pay him for it was like here's your other options so So I went through in seventy four. It was one of the options and fours. My Wife's is lucky number so I was like Oh take seventy four. And that's how I became seventy four Interesting so in your class. I've so we talked about you. And Dip ricochettes Ferguson. What was your guys rookie dinner like because typically when you have high picks especially coming from the old? CBA when you're going to be one of the highest paid players of your position you guys are coming making making more money than most of your teammates. They typically are GONNA run up the bill on you. So what did your rookie dinner look like you ever seen videos of sharks swarming. Smell talk a little bit of blood in the water That's what the offense blind room was like when brick and I walked in as two first round picks. Who's your who's your who's on the line We we had The the center time was trey teague. We had Pete Kendall Adrian KLIMENT there was a handful of other Olepin jumbos drain. Jumbos Gone Brandon. More was there and they were salving like this is this. This is a pink ncua corn never going to see this again to first round offense wines So our rookie. Dinner was actually in the Bahamas. at Atlanta's and so we took all the guys down to Atlanta and had our dinner down there. Wow is so. There's just like pick the restaurant. They're like all right. This one is kind of like what. You're you're taking taking us through Atlantis and we'll do dinner down there so we're talking just to paint this up a little bit talking first class flights for the office of Mine We're talking hotel rooms accommodations combinations We're talking nightlife life A couple of guys went out a little bit little hard. Yeah Yup and we're talking Dinner of course we're talking about breakfast got breakfast. We're talking about jet skis written a boat. Now we didn't so that was the first Iteration of the whole planning was all right. We're going to fly to Miami And we're going to take a boat to the Bahamas. I'm sure Mike Tannenbaum and so imagine that. Call the boats stranded. We just lost a hall draft over. I mean it was after it was after the season so we had plenty of time but we found out the travel. Time from Miami to Bahamas on a boat and adds to was it. Five it was. It was a lot longer than I was expecting. I was like yeah. It's like two hour trip uh-huh that's right next to it like an inch away. So luckily the Poets Strapping Dad. It would have been terrible. Yeah so your rookie year. You're replacing hall of Famer and Kevin Y What was that like just having those type of love shoes to fill at your positions it was interesting because Kevin was released before I was drafted He was like oh I think. Late March arch Maybe early April As Eric was coming in and kind of creating his own culture And the big thing for me was not so much the play of Kevin But the the way the fans knew of the center position because the center position don't think had gotten lost For the most part for a long while But Kevin was such a mainstay here at the New York jets That all the fans knew of the center position. So as soon as I got here and realize that you know it wasn't kind of a hideaway spot like right field in Little League That kind of opened my eyes like this is real. Kevin really pave the way for that and so it was. It was kind of not trying to follow Kevin's lead but live up to that legacy of of centers That the the jets had but also you also I mean by the time you eat there. WHO's at that position? By the time. So Trey teague was. That was the starting center. Wally pipped. He got wally pipped Outta it happened so we were. It was Center prospect and fifty years knows I forget the runback name. But he makes jump cut in Ota's yes and Jumped right on. Kevin's ankle are not Kevin's trays ankle and broke his ankle And then you know trae Trey does the Rehab and everything tries to come back and it was like week six or eight tries to come back the same fucking running back jump cuts and breaks his ankle again. Oh we know was this Thomas. Jones wasn't TJ didn't show up till two thousand eight was there too. It wasn't it was I. I won't remembers name so your boss so you with a half a year Rehab get workers back coming back and he was on. He was doing second team during the season. There's a lot going on Gets jumped cut. I can motherfucker. You don't call me so much money and then there my career. Yeah I mean obviously you step in at that point try yeah. Trade did not like me for a while. I don't think but I didn't. I didn't tell the running back. Jump cut right. It wasn't my doing he career just walking by and that's why yeah. He sentece for like two years after that and it was done. So you're haunt that running back fucking your rookie year. You came in as you mentioned with Eric Mangini What was that like coming in under to the man genius you know? He came from us. One of these bill belichick disciples who we've seen the tracker not great. You guys did make the playoffs the first year your your rookie year. But you guys lost the Patriots understandably so but what is it like playing under a disciple and that type of discipline I it was. It was interesting. 'cause I'm glad that it happened My rookie year rather than maybe my eighth year. Because he didn't I didn't know any better I did have a Tennessee staff at the time For the senior bowl which was Jeff Fisher And Mike Month check was the author line coach. There and I love Coach he said something That was amazing. And we're at the senior bowl. Listen I'm not trying to change. You guys got here for a reason. just going to try to put in the position for you guys the ball and it was like well. You know that's as a college kids coming out and coming coach meeting you halfway. I was like this is the NFL like this. This is amazing and then I get drafted in gene. It was like Oh never mind and it was just. It was difficult because it was I can't say it was a culture of fear But there was always a looking over your shoulder brick and I talked to all the time Being the first round picks the I think they're gonNA can you know as we're going through training camp. They're gonNA cut us and we had old guys like they're not cutting a first round pick at all first year. It's not going to happen and it's like I don't think that's true and that's kind of the mentality that was spread was like you know. No one is safe and You know having to deal with that was difficult. you no and it's We we always joked especially my rookie year. Guys like Laverne Kohl's and John Vilma say if we could just get people as we're going through training camp is like if we can get people if we can keep the score close at halftime when because then they'll get as tired as we are and we've been this tired this whole time it'd be able to beat him and that was kind of where we were. The part of the culture only Mercedes. Because I know the story this from here from you guys Part of the culture was him trying to reinvent the jets. But right you guys had to learn. You know what was didn't know each other schools like he's a call people out Komo all that stuff. Yeah so There was a big one. where he you he wanted everyone to know everyone's name thing and I'm not that great at names forgotten. Many name I forget your name Bob and so I'm sitting there and this was I think it was not as Getting close to mandatory minicamp. And I'm I'm literally studying flash cards of guys his pictures with their name because he I knew he was gonNA call. Call me out At a team meeting like all right name all the DB's and so instead instead of instead of learning the playbook which I probably should have been doing as a rookie. I'm sitting there with flash cards like all right. This is Duane. This is John All all right. This is hank heard. Now let me go back through and it was a it was a wild time and you guys didn't do damn show no I know for fact you guys didn't do that a lot. I know performance goals and that was the other thing it was too many guys and the bad part is. I'm I am absolutely horrible. Names I want forget a face. I remember face but I do nicknames. I'll nickname the shit end. Because that's how that's how I remember and We had equipment managers. Here's the first guy. His actual last name was burger. So it worked out But it was burger and then there was It was many Burger and Turkey Burger. That was just how the equipment guys would go down the line like once. They moved on to something bigger and better. I need a nickname for you because I can remember your name so I just go down the line. So let's kind of go chronologically in that. Two thousand five the whole jet seem. What does that year like? Just going from Chad Pennington quarterback who was you know as unrefined quarterback some injuries but then moving onto first ballot hall of Famer a Guy. That's a I like I br basis. We can't pass Chad. You can't pass Chad Chad. Chad taught me a lot about football in the protection again And he was genius. Wasn't bill guy. I remember when I got to the jets talking to you even talking to brick. You know you talk about. Oh you are starting off. In one of the quarterbacks I know for a fact the name he brought it was chatter. How he prepared? He handed the workouts. How he was just a flatow student a game and part of it because of his father his father was? Oc New to game and taught Chad from the very earliest football in offense and all and on and on and I remember telling me That part of part of the process of being a jet was because Chad seen like even though he was fairly young Kinda in the middle road ever he seemed like he was gonNA play fifteen years. He has so much knowledge of the game. How it helped you guys out especially being young guys front right? And that was the big thing that he helped us. learning I had this basis coming from Ohio state where my offensive line coach. Jim thome hit me with the It's not enough has to know what you're doing you need to know why you're doing And that was. I took that early on in college and seeing the big picture of Y. You know you're blocking the scheme and while you're running this way and why or thrown over here And Chad kind of expanded on that into looking at the big picture of you know everything that's going on and running back some protections and you know. He taught us a lot. And so that was it was kinda crazy when All the rumors and everything we're going on a of maybe Brett farve coming in and we were. We were in Cleveland and next thing not knocking on doors and like you're out by and Brett farve art shows up the next day like a conquering more general In the Locker Room Cleveland and it was just a hip happened so fast. I'm rejecting agent. Because he was up a Green Bay is really true. And he's like I think Fars leaving And I think he's going to you guys. I was like you know ten o'clock before uh the next preseason game and it just it what happens when you see breath floor walk through that door. I was Giddy. I grew up watching Brett. It was like this is amazing. Brett farve and So it was. It was a lot of fun and you know Having him it was different because I think at the time there was two two thousand eight so I was probably twenty four twenty five. Maybe the Max and farther you I think was staring down forty and that's a huge. Yeah and so you know there was always a lot of talk and they call you know you never connected with the locker room and you know that kind of stuff and drew. I didn't expect them to one. There were fifteen years different three kids. You know one of them I think are two of them. Were in high school But there's a difference and they can. I think what I guess I'm asking You you're talking about v Brett Farve. Who Pretty much led a franchise for so long and had a hell of a history in green bay part of his ability to his assessment because he was able to lead a bunch of men to success him walking into New York? You're there bricks. There David Harris. The squad is fairly loaded. Did you expect him to be like all right. Listen to me follow me. We'll go far so I guess that's the difference. I if you look on like on the field lead wise yeah like breath. Br had this one thing where He would run up behind somebody and just give the biggest smack on the ASS. You've ever seen thank put a bruise on you. Yeah you know you could see all five fingers when you when you got in the showers later And that was one of the things that I think endeared him to the locker groom was that he was still just a kid. Playing kids game So I think football wise. The locker room was fine. Who's backups Brunell No that was Kellen. Clemens was still there I believe I don't know who is searching. Maybe now I think Brooks has gone already at that point But and so there were two different sides there was you know Oh you know. Why aren't you hanging out outside the locker room because you got two kids in high school and I've got no kids? There's a big difference but inside the locker room It was fine there. was you know he was a gunslinger and he was we. I learned a lot that year from Brett about how to make up protections improvise. Yes because we were playing San Diego I think and I think we ended up going almost forty straight snaps of anti protection and it was a thirty or forty and so we had to make up. We ended up making up a whole new snap. Count in the middle of the game Now is this him not wanting to learn a playbook or he's like I'm too burners shit let's listen to me notifications. I'll get open argue the football. Yeah that's what it was. It was like I'm too old for the ship. You run this. You run this You you guys got five guys to block O figuring it out and he had you hit me. We had Allen Fan Ika Damien woody all proline all he. We had an unbelievable so he was able to. Do you. Take that approach when you got fucking monsters are front to keep clean right and so we were able to do it and you know I think the protection was gone. Right on left those Sandra protection gone right and gun left So I think gone right was onto gone right was on. Her left was on three We determine hots just F- of you know what Hash her on And it was literally drawn in the dirt. That's pretty sweet. It was a lot of fun especially be successful support for the dancing shoes. Part Damian was pissed that because he's you know he's right tackle thirty streets now. Can I get a run. Flame rush one. That's a little bit. Yeah Brett Farve a lot older than you guys. Locker Room senator. Dick pic young though. Hey listen he's living drinks. uh-huh that transpire. One thing I know about you if anybody gets the word across the wire you get it I I got used the ground. This one actually missed so okay. Okay I think this is what started my Gathering of information. Because I missed this and it was funny because like like winner when everything was coming out it was all You know I don't know story Brett farve had supposedly waiting to get in trouble but I guess made some advancements added Masseuse. It was a masseuse. And then I think one of the sideline reporter Jen. Joel Senator Smoking hoping hop and I don't think we can legally comment on Lumbini Man and so they It was funny funny because when it came out and this was is still remember. Two Thousand Eight. I think the iphone just use a razor right and so goals sitting here you know. Oh you just look something up on your phone now. It wasn't that easy back. Then which is amazing. How much has changed in twelve years And so it was almost like hey. Did you have a laptop can we. Can we find out and look for this and I remember the one Where you know a member was was blurred out but you could see a watch? It looks a lot like breath walks. Yeah I know that presidential looks a lot like breads. TIMEX probably tried to make more than one prophet uh-huh and so that was as you're being because now a sleuth you're sitting like we could sit here right now and plan our phone and five any think. Yeah but then they had to dig. It was the wild wild west So he was. That was just one of those jokes in law from it to it all came out afterwards. Okay so we kind of missed. I think that was mostly off season because it kind of came out with his Injury that ended up coming. Now we're You know I I think then it Kinda snowballed from there And his effort to get to Minnesota. Because I think that was the in game in all of it was he wanted to go to Minnesota road in Green Bay. Wouldn't send them there because he wanNA stick it to Green Bay so you kind of did like a year purgatory the show and we almost did okay to beat the Tennessee. Titans who I think at the time were Teno Or something like that and then we went up to New England and beat them And then we came back from by And we lost to As somebody black and gold. And then it just snowballed from there. Yeah that was a cold rainy. Gains Cole was an old meadowlands. Talk so eh. As far as the information gathering and you just leave it to Brandon Marshal on Last week and he talked about the Judas rule the fine boy. Oh sure in charge though. Yeah so we have brandon talking about he talking about what he Miss New York you you know his time here. I love fits and all of us. And he was like Man Mimic define bore and I was like yeah. He's like Judas rows well yeah judicial was it thing I was like and then we talked about. WHO's the most I guess? The the most insane person when it came down laying down the law as far as the define board was you of core. He's very adamant about sticking it to folks via the Farnborough. Listen there's rules and regulations all right if it's up on the board it's up on the board and explain some of the things. I was on a farm. So the five board I it was. We had it my rookie year Maybe my second year and and then it kind of dissipated when Panic came in and would he came in and they were kind of You know we don't need to do with that. And then there was also coincided with US moving from Hofstra out out to New Jersey We had. There's a big upheaval because we used to. We had this one spot on long island that we'd always do line dinners on Thursday nights because they had like a private room. We'd go to. They'd been doing it for twenty years. The same spot we get to New Jersey. We don't know any of the restaurants trying to build things so the things kind of took a back burner and the fine board came back up started generating I WANNA say my eighth year. You're so something like that And it started out very simple and it was all I I think. It was a coach's recommendation of originally. It was like I. You know what we should put like a you no penalty if you if you have a penalty you gotta pay dollar game or something like that you know and it just kind of a an alert to hey you booked up and stay on top of your shit and so then it just exploded from there and so then it went from we Some of the absurd ones was We we had the the Building operations guys make us one of the nameplates that you have on officers office room one twenty seven or something like that so we have the offensive line room underneath that we had Please knock and so there was a fine. It was It was a five dollars. Something like that. You're not before if the door was closed and you did not knock You refine and that was across the board. It was on the board no matter who did did it so we have like video guys. Just hey run down and grab the video guy you know. Something's messed up. They come in we make sure the guy closed-door real quick just video a- and if he didn't knock his name got put on the board five dollars we also talked about which was one of my favorites getting caught talking to woody woody Johnson that may I just saw that picture in my scrolling through for something and I saw the picture of you getting caught in the training room at the at metlife life and that is that was. Tell him about that. So one of them was If you were caught talking to the owner And it was just. It was kind of humorous thing because woody would come around every once in a while and so it was kind of like a black cat thing. You're not really going to black path but if it does this is great. So we went through amazing lengths whenever woody was around to capture video or picture evidence. Because it wasn't you couldn't couldn't have a fine you're off hearsay so I can listen. I saw Willie talking to woody back. What do you have any evidence room? No so I mean there were times where we'd go to the practice tape and zoom in on the attic catch them and so there was one time Willie sitting in the training room. Yeah at metlife. This was before game. I think I was getting my ankles taped and would it comes walking through and what he's sitting there talking to two Willie and I just uh-huh snapped the photo. And and he looks and he he looks over and sees itself and I it was a high one hundred dollars or something. Yeah it was even was. It was best about this what he was. I love what he Johnson but he gives the most awkward handshakes in the world like you tell. He's one of the people that thinks about the handshake. I shake before the handshake. So he doesn't know if he's the brother Depp he's going for the straight you don't a politician woman or if he's he's always thinking about it so so I on on a practice field. He's held pop up on Thursday. You know he'll land is helicopter and fucking drive over them in some bitches. Rich is a lot like monopoly. And so we kind of break practice or we kind of move around. A field of defenses up offenses on the sideline. Woody we kind of try to come engaged so you would see guys. See Woody into start doc squirming around trees. Try to figure out a way away from what he would be standing there lake. It had nothing to do it. And we'd love to woody even after Games we would come off the field like we WANNA game. Would he be waiting for you in a tunnel and you will see them up ahead of you buy we gotta get another way into it was insane. It was it was so much fun because it added an element to Because like I said it was the black as it was like a black cat. You're not gonna see it and so and that's why we had such a high price tag to it it because it was something that would be You know if you were able to catch it. It'd be fantastic. come up to guys like throwing off your pads. You saying good gaming me a knicks at each other and we will see woody and I would like kind of creep away A. Here's Nick and his fucking busy right from the game and you can't run at this point point then you're stuck and soon as he nick we get stuck with. What do you see a million camera phones? And I'm pretty sure what he caught on. He started to get it. I can then he started to come by a lot more and go a lot slower around where we were which made it even more fun because then the prices just got up but the Judas was the big thank you? This is the biggest one because people do explain it said the Jewish rule is obviously A. I'm sure you're familiar with the The Story of Christ and you in our business you never wanna be the guy that throws another guy under the bus a year. Always you always WanNa take a You WanNa you WanNa fall on the sword for everybody because you never know when someone else needs to fall on the sword for you so if something happened on a play Where maybe I gave the wrong call Willie on protection? And he didn't block the blitzing will and he would. He would sit there and to coach my fault. I missed the will instead of saying saying what Nick told me the wrong call. So it's my fault and because that's I think that's being a football player in being in the game that's being held held to a higher standard and it brings the Brotherhood together brings the title. Like you know like I was in nicotine back in my career I was my name. Is Doug Shit you you know. And sometimes it's really got edge got beating. It wasn't an not so much a call. Yes I heard a call off. He heard something. If I WANNA side Nick which listen. I'LL DO BETTER I. I may Oh really to call and knowing Dan well it was my my fucking ass fucked it up. It tastes the heat off me and then my on my on my end to say the next time you make a call. Oh I'm on his ass and that mistake doesn't happen but it's good to know that he had my back. So that was the pointed to Judas rule but man we would be in that film room and you see some of my blown assignment. We'd like. Are you going to tell you GonNa do you GonNa throw them with the best. What are you GONNA do right? But it was. It was more more and that was the whole thing of the fine board was more of the opportunity to build the believe a culture And ably to build a brotherhood of what oftens line should be in. It should be Five to ten guys. who have each other's backs no matter what what happens? No matter what's going on You know the guys on the field you're battling for each other That's what we try to create what we tried to have And that was my whole philosophy Las Vegas especially as I started getting older and getting a little bit More of a veteran presence was the the idea that You will play harder for a guy if you know what his off. The field experiences house. Percents I if you know. This guy is struggling with A girlfriend or a wife issue if this guy is about to have a kid And he's gone through that if this guy has kids and you know he he's been a daddy time to be able to know You know this guy's parents are every game and you know they love him to death and So to build that I think an offensive line. You gotTa have the ability to to be together and to be able to work together and to have a communication But you also need an off off the field life and you need to have You know the opportunity to spend time together. They have the barbecue you're Where we bring everyone out and then my backyard junkyard We would grow up. We smoke stuff and he'd have Matthew Matty got introduced a uncle Willie so knicks about I taste team calling you appreciate his first. Nick is like hey we have a big barbecue at my house Grill couple meets. We sit again. We sit down. We kind of just have guy. Hi Tom. I'm like Yeah Dope and so at this time this is Willie not married this. Is Willie just coming back to New York New York so I'm like I'm the bronze bullies back so I'm Tara New York up I've over. The Knicks House is beautiful wife is named. Everything's all over the table. The teams there so so the Taco places fucking jumping with food and how does Matthew. It's a tough mad. He's still pop he before so I don't know if you know okay. Nick knows a lot of black folks but I'm really his own. Brick is let me talk to black friends right so I don't think the House has been socialized a lot of black folks So Uh this black folks visit the mangled house anyway so fast forward fair not a lot of people. So we're the guys kinda trickled out and you know you know he's Award Daddy. I'm Award Daddy. We're sitting down it's hot. It's like ninety degrees and stuff with me. We're the reason I'm drinking to leave. A We got gar sending this. He has a beautiful home Fire Pit area and I'm saying my shirt off go chains in in cargo shorts and flip flops. Some moments sick talking to him and his son terms out Utah Matthews. Like all right I could do. I could do this sir. I can't deal with that over. I don't know what that is. What that is going on right there and stare at me? It was like Dad. I'm put myself to bed just got mommy wants five minutes all right. Let's wrap it up and it was a cute thing he was like. I don't know if I'm dreaming. There's a black man my backyard. It's really like and so it might be right. But it was cutest thing man into next point about the Brotherhood man. You know those Mo- really in what makes you fight for guys. Because of another guys family. He had kids of the guys have kids in Yukon at build this chemistry through having those moments of like you know what I get why Guy Battles through because he has a handsome young kid he has wife who doesn't know who who did not give a shit about any of us. Make a tackle. Get to make sure we're having a good time at his home so it all pans it it all kind of Gel together. I do want to ask you this You set some when you left. E. Talk about the jets began in Long Island Moving to New Jersey You you happen to be a part of the culture and Long Island culture when when the jets and what do you say you know what we're going over Foreign Park in New Jersey. Do you think the jets organization Launches Fan Base I don't think they lost their fan base. I heard I think they hurt their fan base I think Long Island Is is the heart of the FAN base and I've Especially just recently. I was over on Long Island Four. Elton John John Concert farewell allegedly won a golden globe. Yeah Hell of a movie that that was And ebbing back over. There haven't been over a long island. You know four or five years And just my experience of being there at the Coliseum for the you know three hours and then Driving around the area and everything it Kinda hit me that I feel like the jets needed to do more And they tried. When we first moved over from Hofstra We would go over for practice. every training camp But it was a bullshit practice and the coaches didn't want to believe it And so they try to make a real practice The players after sitting on a bus for almost two hours fine traveling didn't want to didn't want to real practice And then you had a bunch of fans there that wanted more interaction And it it wasn't. It never was what anyone wanted to be from. From either management standpoint or coach or player wanted to stay in Long Island. I didn't I young at that point. I like being not on abridge anymore. I like being connected to the mainland And so I to me it didn't really matter but I think They could have the opportunity. H Do more for that fan base whether it's actually have training camp Over there and there's a couple of colleges I think that would be happy to host them Or do a true fan fest Instead of trying to make it a practice maybe do it in the spring during. Ta's or something where you bust guys over you know you have a friendly competition of some sort where there's nothing real Not xs and os you guys there for a week and maybe even do do a couple of practices over there. Don't piss off the coaches because the coaches you know they want XS and Os. They WanNa do things and they want it to be real but when when you're over there for a short amount of time it's is not going to be real and it's not gonna be real practice not going to be what you have at your home base And so they they need to come up with something. Because there are a ton of diehard jets fans out out there that don't honestly don't want to have the same travel to get over to New Jersey to the floor and park so I see it on both depends 'cause I hated the travel when when we lived on Long Island I it was basically sixteen away games because you have travel You know when you're doing we stopped. After through the Games we stopped going straight back long. We go into the city for dinner just to let traffic die down because it was it was it would be three hour drive to get back the half sitting in two and you're sitting in and after playing a game and you're tired and you're locked up and you know you're sitting there battling traffic i. It's something you don't WanNa deal so now you know with the guys being on this side your home in thirty five minutes and you know I. It has a much into it. I personally would have loved to stadium in the city. The Hudson yards stadium. There doc you James Dolan would have been I know tailgating was like one of the big fan things How are we gonNa tell and everything but I think people would have worked around it Totally a hundred percent. We're going to be able to play there and you would have some sort of sidelined through the stadium to see the buildings that everything would it would have been amazing. Oh my God awesome But here we are in the swamp so coming off the MANGINI years. You Guys Transitional Rex Ryan couldn't get to more opposite guys. It would seem like from the outside. How would you you describe Rex Ryan coming? In and his demeanor the pendulum always swings one side of the other. And so when you go from A discipline just when coach. You get the players coach Rex. REX's system is perfect for a veteran team He he was able to your way of putting it He was able to run it the way that he knew he could. You know it's always difficult going from coordinate precision to the head coach because now you have to see both sides of the ball I don't think rex particularly cares offense. I actually actual thank you for being defensive minded But at the same time you know he came in. We had a core veteran group included included. Guys like Alan Damien woody like I mentioned brand more on the offensive line You know we we had A. He brought him Bart Scott from Baltimore. More which was a big press. Jason Taylor Jt came in a little bit later. We'll go But we had Chris Jenkins teeter with damning naming Thomas. Lt came in the following year. We had Sean Ellis was there. Bryan Thomas We had a good core veteran group. That said listen. We're GONNA were younger a reverse. We're GONNA work hard. We're GONNA play heart right. And that was how things worked in. You know he wrecks always had to make right system. You know if you showed up late or something you fifty bucks to the player personnel guy. And you know it was never find really by the team but no one wanted wanted to be late because you didn't want to get the evil stare I didn't want to get an evil stare from Sean Ellis PA- cat like that would crush myself. So like there was a whole. It was a culture that we already had instilled And unfortunately when those veterans left and we were we're going with a youth movement REX's system didn't work The way that it was and it it kind of became a dad's all right. You know I'll make it right. I'll fifty bucks are being the doesn't matter especially the guys that never had really they don't understand right and so they kinda wrote in then it became. You know you're trying to police it as as a veteran and it kind of it was more like a joke like listen. I'll just go to rex. Hey you can't show up late anymore thank you really start getting you shit together and doesn't care so I don't care well. Yeah but you shouldn't and so I think that Kinda hurt a little bit and also his lap band surgery. They get skinny quick fat. REX is so much better than skin. Fat Wreck's was in Harza and the reason I bring that up because that that was a time where th e as you just mentioned the court at team was at that point antenna was up. Everybody was going for it like you knew there was a window for you. Guys see that make history or does fall by the wayside everybody watched hard knocks fell in love with sexy rexy in a jet. You were part of that tribe Barscott and everybody else does hard knocks help team or hurting It depends on how you take it If you look at it And is is see what it is in the entertainment value When you wear the cameras at all times you knew that they were? You knew where places you could go where there weren't cameras ours. Come and you also you just Kinda got used to it as they were going around It it was amazing to me. I loved it because of the production side of it Seeing what goes into a week worth of film all the stuff that they film in the hours and hours of film and how they cut it down to one one hour show The things it's all the cutting floor You know I would love to see the bloopers love to see the blue hawks over this stuff I mean I remember me personally. We're coming out to practice and one time in the camera was straight army night up and You just kind of forget about it and you just shooting the Shit and I'm talking with with One of the equipment guys like I just clogged industrial toilet. How that happened but I think I put down something? Something went on for the good five minutes about you know the work done in the bathroom dropping and that somewhere on the cutting floor and I know it's there air because I I was Mike and the cameras right on me So the amount of stuff that they have has to be amazing Marchesi quarterback at this time. I it. It comes around every year that that run you guys had what things happen in We've never talked about it That run pardon to the play offs and how great. You're office along. 'cause you gotTa really really good office and what the fuck happened with the but from well. How did that happen up the incident so pick one pick what? Start with one either when you want us to the offensive line that we did. We had a fantastic offense. Bring that up because your relationship with Alexander And and how I I know he was my role model. He's the reason why I wore sixty six when I went to the jets And I know when I got to the jets. 'cause that's seventy four and when you look at seventy four on flipside of that talk about his leadership that offers salon and you finished with the Buffo. Yes So al came in and really daming. Woody Entered in with the core that we had with Brandon myself into brick shaw and Album for me personally recently came in and he taught me how not only to be a football player. How to To go about Your Business Your craft how to work on different things But then how to take care of your body You know he was big and stretching into massages He's the one inspired spa day for me. His his body was spotted. Was the greatest. And I'd get my massages. Get stretched and Coal Tub Saunas. Azazel had your own robe and I have my own rogue and we all we listen to Dave Matthews in the locker room. I got a big day and so But then with with all that that Al told me he also taught me how to be a Father in the NFL watching him with his daughter And how he went about his is business. How he went about his family life It was a big help for me. And it was amazing. You know being Two Thousand Eight. So it was twenty four Learning having that learning experience was huge and so that group is an offensive line You know we. We didn't with Thomas Jones running back Shaun Green and You know we we did. Some things in You know it was funny when I think we played buffalo that year The where we rushed for over three hundred yards And Mark I think had four interceptions g gets you get to a point where you're like you're yelling at the corner calling fucking just keep running the yeah I mean And so we we did some good things as an offense on there and it was a special group to be a part of The incident that you speak of I don't think it's over hyped. Just Ruth where it was. You know Thanksgiving Thanksgiving Game Primetime game In New England the jets them ended up scoring off of it. You know was it it it was high I think enough I think the worst part for me about it and why I don't like discussing it Because I have no problem shitting on marker on anybody else Because I love marketing he should tell me just enough I is that The Red Guard that I played with for Longtime Brandin more He was the infamous but of said fumble And I think it was Chris Collins worth put him on blasted Vince. Kind of th- room room. You know made it all possible which is not what happened? so brandon will live. I remember sitting there It was that following in week and we're sitting in the cafeteria and you know sportscenter was on and They're shown and of course and he goes. I can't believe that's how I'm going to be remembered. I was like no one's going to remember. What are you talking about is you ever seen a highlight from Nineteen seventy I was like. Yeah I've seen some of the old highlights he goes. Yeah that GONNA live on. And that's going to be my ass. I was like Oh oh and I feel terrible. Because Bryn MAWR was one of the most bitch unreadiness players I think to to play offense line And and you know for him for that to be his legacy Really bothers me. And so that's why I don't particularly talk about the incident and has has nothing to do with the fumble and everything it's more about brandon in in what he had with an interesting That's a spin that you wouldn't really get an take. You wouldn't really get anywhere. Also so one player when asked about specifically the railroad us unbelievable player especially in his prime when. You were there under rex. But as a teammate of his as a guy who had held out and continually ask for new contracts. What was that like as a teammate? Eight of his did you guys get involved with our have personal feelings towards it I know rex. You know I think that was the hard knocks thing he was in the you know of course when really fucking good player but the teams thoughts on his I I loved his hold out because it got me paid right. They had to look good right so they gave me a contract And so You know as a team especially as the NFL. If you don't understand the business side of it you're going to get hit hit with a sledgehammer As soon enough on the business side So I never had an issue. I don't think there are many people that did With what he did he played the game He played the business business worked out well and he really is fucking hell of a player And so he can do that I really for me personally. I wish he hadn't gone to New England England win the Super Bowl because it hurts me as a jet But you know you do what you do and you know you do what's best for you Because in the game in the NFL. That's that's all there is This is in college high school Rods business and when you understand it's business It's easier to handle those things. What about when he came back with the jets and it was the end of his career? Basically he played with Kansas City. I believe that's forgotten in history. When he came back with the jets was by all accounts a shell of its former self still a very highly paid player with a big name or or your your thoughts on his return? It was good to see him back. I miss re And so having them come back in. The locker room is great locker room presidency. Great for the young guys To teach them a little little bit about What it takes to be a true lockdown corner You know whether or not they took that information and ran with it knows but You know it was good. Because he's a he. He is fantastic. Locker Room presence You know he got joke on a lot as the old head You know especially as starting to gray a little bit the early on That But I it was. It was good to have him back. you know I. I don't begrudge anybody for getting paid what they're getting unpaid cause if you can get it God bless Ya I'd love to go back and still some checks now. Oh Shit Yeah I got it throw this at you. You talk about after two thousand ten to the Pittsburgh steelers or You dig that knife. And so that happened Editor what are we not doing that out there. Because that was a now Bring this up because when I got to the jets and thirteen That seemed to be foucault. It was I mean. At that point. It was two years removed That seem to be kind of like the sore spot of the locker room. And I know that that because talking to you nick unit can brick talking to brick You Lose Jason Taylor. You lose the cat'll it seemed like the old heads. Bart Scott is gone to all heads kind of fatal snap. They disappear now. There's new cultures in for me coming in it. Seemed like what the fuck it was like me throw into the elephant graveyard and not what justice. Because I wasn't I had a chance to play with you and break. I'll say yeah I'm GONNA play with some war dogs. I'm ready when I got there. I remember member. A lot of what seemed to be wrong with. The team was because of losing that game in who left the locker is that true. Is that false. Yes I I. I think that was a big part. It seemed like we go We had the two thousand nine season where we go and lose to Indy in the AFC championship in two thousand. Ten season Where we replaced we kind of evolved a little bit replaced a couple of things that we had Allen Vanik leave we had met Slauson replacing Ladainian Thomson came in I think TJ was gone. Then um so we. We had a little bit shuffling but we still maintain success got the AFC championship game. which if we had another three minutes you guys were I believe that And so then two thousand eleven. It seemed like we went into a full retool mode And we jettisoned a bunch of different guys Instead of trying to keep with what we were going We we came off with At the time San Antonio and Berlin were both looking for new deals. They're playing on the last years of the deal And so we chose Antonio which I think wasn't the best pick for the organization Shen Because I don't think the chemistry was right with him and mark especially at forgiven Tone fifty million dollars paying. Yeah uh he he kind of had a I can do wrong And he wanted to you know make his mark on the team a little bit When at the same time you're wide receiver over and just once you go catch balls and so when you had that I think we had PLAXICO -burse I came in straight out of prison And you know I. I've found that as an odd signing Just because we're the jets and he was the giant giant But then also you know the baggage that comes with Bringing a guy back who hasn't played football in three years ears and making him one of your main receivers Roy with no connection whatsoever and I think they put a lot of Lot Autumn Mark Shoulders which I think was necessary But they didn't give him the resources to do it and I think that hurt a lot And on the defensive beside the ball is kind of a remake Reckless starting to get skinny said that her and You know you just start losing it and you know as as you go through seasons in I mean you know it you never. You never notice as you're going through the spraying and you're going through training camp. I you know we've got had a depleted roster. We're GONNA be barely hanging on you. Don't you don't see that you see that as this is our opportunity we gotta make the best. Let's go But looking back on it you know as we're going through two thousand eleven which we do we didn't have a terrible year You know we were. I think we were I the Red Zone that year on offense But we we didn't get it done. We didn't make the playoffs but then we had another blow up. Two thousand twelve I think was the Tibo year which it was just a stupid idea? you get along Tibo no tim. Tim and I did not get along. I don't think because he wanted to be a quarterbacking duties. So there's a quarterback it wasn't that good when I throw the ball better than you don't need to be. According you tell the story about how he six picks and he came running down the sideline with no shirt on. Well that was so. We're out of training camp and I don't remember the pig. I don't remember anything that led up to it. I just remember I know. He had a bad practice radically. We're out at CORTLANDT. Training Camp and in court learned. The locker room was separated by from the practice field. You'll buy their stadium complex so you had to go you gotTa Cross a turf field to get to the grass fields And coming off offer practice media stood at the closer into the locker room on his turf field. And that's where you would get. You know the internal come over. Hey will you do this interview over here and so it. They're all kind of milled about in this one. Larrea and halfway through practices started to rain Nothing nothing hard and more than a drizzle less than downpour somewhere in there and relative soaking and we're coming off field. You know we get done with our after after after practice drills working on stuff and we're all trudging off And next thing you know Tim's running by with his shirt off you know his hair flicked back and it's raining and he's running and he runs right through the media and I see this. You know you just tried to hard. Everyone knows the media's right there everyone you know you wanna do that. That's fine but don't then say I'm just here for the team the humble crap And so that kind of spoiled me a little bit and that was that was tough but so that was. That was the difficult part so we put a lot of mark shoulders and and then we didn't give them the resources to back it up and I think a lot should have been put on my shoulders. I think he was growing up through that time But when you don't back them up with the resources It never ends well so you end up in two thousand thirteen. We're coming off the disastrous tebow. I mean we had secret You know secret Tibo Meetings Where we're coming up with these grand wildcat plays That we didn't practice we were doing in like a a conference room During training camp because we God forbid the media would see it and it was just it was all It just wasn't good. He should have been the original taste. Hill yeah well short paying gave him an opportunity said no So ask about out another changing of the guard. CEO FROM RAC sue kind of flames out towards the end. We kind of talked about that but moving onto todd bowles played with for two years under Todd Bowles. I have a particular interest and how Todd Bowles is as a head coach side love to know that our current defensive coordinator and what many believe many many bucks fans believe. It was the coach in waiting. ooh On behind Brazilian. Oh I like that So what what is it like playing under Todd Bowles and how how did you feel about him as a head coach You know I think todd was. You know we talked about that pendulum swinging back and forth Todd was it moving back towards the disciplinary side But he didn't have the teeth tobacco up the discipline And I think todd I've never been on a team whereas defensive coordinator but I think he's May I would assume he's an amazing defensive quarter I just don't think he had what it takes to be a head coach I think you need need to be able to see the whole team. You need to be able to see Both sides the ball and you need to be able to focus on both sides of the ball And that's where I I think todd missed on on two things. One being able to see both sides of the ball and being able to be the disciplinarian that He was signed on to be because by the time rex. It left kind of the wild wild west. Well I mean we had two thousand fifteen where we had a very veteran team Say Only combat that I mean. He handled the whole Ak Gina Situation. I thought he handled. Well yes no. I can't watch for. I think he did and I think he did. He handled that I mean. I don't think anyone was ready to handle that. I mean that that came now he was early on the job for that. Oh yeah that was early on and that was two thousand fifteen and funny enough. I think that actually brought the team together from you know even though Oh. Gina Wasn't playing. Its still I think. Brought more of the team together But I think as his tenure went on it wasn't the big disciplinary things things. It was more the just show up on time. That's all we need like. You would be amazed at The how How much it tears team apart to have guys show up late consistently it Kinda Shows A? I don't really care about you. I'm going to do me and I'M GONNA get mine But I I don't care you know if you're here on time because I'm GONNA show but I'm on top and I think to your point to do we talk about the what we I mean. Should it was me Brenno. God knows who else I mean. We we toward New York up but we were never late in everywhere we may show. We never did it again like it was US telling from dealing with guys who they weren't accustom for having that can be only when they happen to be late like they were there. They were in the building extra early to make sure that lay. I fucked up and won't happen again. There were times next point and nuts call everybody even know is probably an immediate guys who were big figureheads guys that we depend on just seem like they just didn't care and those are the guys who you say tha bowls he like man. I just need you to get rid of this guy. If I could do it I would do it but you have the power to do it do it but then also on Todd Bowles aside you also have to think man you know. Maybe there's a there's a some time maybe I have to build his guy up to the outside world so he is trade eight. You know what I mean if I keep bashing his guy nobody's GonNa want him so It's definitely a fine. Listen tough it is tough. I don't that's why I never wanted to be a coach of the NFL team. Because I don't want to deal with it but I think where you gotta be able to sell it to the team If you come in as a because it was He was billed as a bill parcells disciple and he would come in and you know building take no shit from nobody And it when when two thousand fifteen was going on We didn't have any issues because I think a big case of those. We're winning um in that cures all ills But it also. We had a very close knit strong veteran team in bedtime two thousand Sixteen rolls around You know you start seeing cracks seem and I think Not only from management standpoint especially with how they handled the Fitzpatrick. This is Patrick situation with With his contract But then you know going on from there guys not shown up in the off season which I get that his volunteer. I know that But at the same time you know there's guys working out. Don't you want to be with you guys you know I. I don't listen when you guys will. Mark started the jets sweating just west wind getting receiving guys out to California. They run around trying to build a brotherhood that we talk about. So you would assume that's the best way to go about think. Yeah and that was one of my big issues the had with Gene-o at that point After coming off getting you know slugged job which is you know Shit Shit luck and who you never expect to get never trying to get punched in the face now. I mean it's not something you prepare for it. Yeah you're not get ready ready for that so Coming in off season the two thousand fifteen season where we crashing Bernie Buffalo And then fits in a studio hold out Contract attract extravaganza. I won Gina. To come in and say you know what I'm GonNa come in. I'm going to lead this team and show that they don't need fits. You Know I. I was the starting quarterback until I got punched. You know I'm I'm going to show up in duo things and for him not to do that. really disappointing trusting So I wanted to ask about your relationship with the British ever since obviously guys came into leads the other. He retired one year before you did so. He played ten years with the jets. You played eleven. What was that decision? Like did hear decision to play in twenty sixteen after he had retired. Did any part of you think well you know we came together. Either you know. I don't know how much longer I WANNA do. This was there any thought about potential retiring at the same time to know I always thought Britain would go longer. Kosovo when I think we all did man never been hurt. Never missed a snap So when he went out before me it was kind of a shock but You know coming in together their brick and I first met each other at the senior bowl. struck up a little Friendship there and then again at the combine And then you're getting drafted together him coming home along Alan Freeport and coming together being together and seeing each other grow You know there's always a special bond of of being able to say I played with Guy You Know I. I spent years with them But to to see each other grow oh through life To see you know the changes that come about You know between relationships when kids You know from uh-huh going from Long Island coming out to Jersey And to have that with one other person that we can talk about and we have the same shared experiences As something special special so you know I I hope brick Near and dear to my heart You know I it was Very fortunate that we're able to spend the time together And to do it together for ten years and still maintain a friendship after that you came across as maybe somewhat bidder was your as it from the jets. What do you think should have happened what did happen? I'm not better. I mean I'm extremely bitter but the better right so you got to fill over and you got released in February of twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen and then retired tired of a few months later as a year later a year later So I was released in February was in Disney When I got called So that was my first teacups. Now I wasn't in teacups I was in Mexico in Epcot Poker I remember we're eating lunch and I got a call from Mike Saying that he was GonNa let me go Mike I've been doing because I I got hurt that year I was on. I R So I've been doing rehab at the facility every day since the season And so everyone knew I was going to Disney. Because you know I wouldn't be for Mike McCann Talking About Canyon And so everyone knew Diz News you know Thanks for calling but couldn't have done. This person would have been nice. Which would have done accomplished it would have been a little bit more A professional I think yeah I think getting fired From a phone call is not the best way to go about everything. You a different organization. Yeah I be contract go. Yeah Yeah could've left could've done things and I knew when I signed my contract in two thousand ten I knew the last couple years were warranties throwaway years that we'd have to renegotiate and every year that that we did another year of the contract. Wow I'm stealing again. This is gonNA come back to bite me at some point. We'll come back for a renegotiation so I I was expecting. I was expecting it especially my last year after coming off injury you know. Hey Nick we can't pay you what it says on this line. You're not worth it any more in. I'm trying to listen. I'm I'm with you not worth it anymore. I've been stealing for the past couple of years And so I I was expecting a renegotiation And that's confirms looking for one more year To be able to rehab to come back and say our finish finish my career playing instead of being on higher And so to get. Get the call and we're not even going to discuss renegotiation because well maybe we could do it on veteran minimum screw you and so I got released down there I still rehabbing Finding my way through I got a call from Baltimore Right before spring workouts Trojan and we Went Down and visited I still wasn't hundred on the in the foot so I still failed my physical fail it or yeah Failed it you know it was but it was known that we have is going great. They couldn't sign off on it. Because you know I I still wasn't hundred percent And so it was It was good visit Baltimore. Amazing amazing facilities. Great Harbaugh was fantastic. Ozzy was great It was great. Visit came back up and that why not Cincinnati they never called and that was one of the things I told my agent after it was released. I I will not Search out work if someone wants to call me. That's great But I'M GONNA position I'm not going to beg. I will await if someone wants me I'd rather that than me. You want them knocking on it. And so We had a great visit Apparently we were very far apart in our contract Ideals We'll see all right. I got Time I think we. Yeah we three kids three kids. I'm busy enough so Kept with my Rehab And it was always my wife would hit me every once in a while. She's like do you still want play. It was like of course. I'm a football player. That's what I WANNA do But it was always the abstract always kind of a out there. Do you still WanNa play of course and So then Baltimore ended up calling In right before mandatory. Ot is Or no right for the mandatory minicamp and they my agent call because they offered what you want it all right. That's fantastic and then all of a sudden became more was less abstract and more concrete. I signed my name on this line. I gotta go down GonNa be working in Baltimore tomorrow. You'll be and at that point. You know things were through. My foot was It was almost one one hundred percent So I probably have probably wouldn't have been practicing but I would have been having down there And it was trying to figure out you know what we wanted to do and would with family down. There was only one year deal which is all I wanted. I wanted to play one more year And at some point I decided you know I'd rather I'd rather let the foot he'll by itself in Spend time with my kids so At that point I kind of shut down and said no retrospect are probably should've taken the checks would have been nice Christian But you know no it's ENDED UP I got a call from The redskins at some point during Training Camp Bill Callahan offense wind coach for many years. He called Their Center went down now. Bill you know I don't want to steal checks that need isn't hundred percent. I don't want to. I mean I could plan Fedex field the field I could but I'd be stealing in you know every painful and I don't want to deal with that so That's where I left it and then coming around I knew I knew that At the by the end of it After after having a real contract from the Ravens and not doing that I I didn't I didn't want to be anything other than a jet and so that's where Called them up said. I WANNA retire when retired Chet after the season Let's make this happen so we'll get you out here on this. We asked us to everybody. Who is the best player that you've played against a player that you also feel was underrated? Maybe didn't get enough credit. You know I think Vince will. Fork is by far. The best player played against He he had. I think twenty three battles battles against each other He won a lot. I want some and we tied a handful of them But he you know you look events. And he's a massive They listed three fifteen. I think that that's an his right leg right. You know he But what was made so you you see them. You know that it's going to be a tough battle. Because of just sheer size. But his athleticism is unbelievable There was removed that big body that fast and that quick. No there's always a rumor you know. When hearing coming from New England that he could dunk a basketball? No fucking way Ryan scanning and and so Pepper Johnson He was Defense Line linebacker coach at New England for a long time. He came in coach for us and he's a high stake. I actually played with his son like I said I'm nicknamed guy. Guess what we nickname pepper. Salt Salt Johnson We're genius And so pet comes in and he always call me Buckeye. I gotta say this And so I tell me straight man convinced dunk a basketball buckeye fighting it with my own eyes. I wouldn't believe it that making basketball asfaw try. Believe it yeah I believe it and You know his the way he was able to move his body the way that he could turn it on. Turn it off Use you use your leverage against yourself The way that he could use his power He was unbelievable player Then then I think underrated rated Because we had crapped on about battles to Kyle Williams. Oh up in Buffalo. He was a hell raiser I I think and that's the problem. I'm I'm so glad you said that because people don't understand man. Carl Williams was a pain in raging Cajun man age. See this this fucking redhead white defensive as of tackle you might have a day where he will wear the goddamn pain off your helmet. He wasn't even you know a lot of the the white dealing Get get the stigma of trae heart and try as we call them. That's how they get. They gotta try hard. He wasn't that he was. He's he's a hell of a ball well he was a workhorse and he was just a guy that had unbelievable skills. He's longtime wrestler so he was fantastic with leverage and everything It was explosive and he was straw strong ship country. He was he. He was fantastic. I think he towards the end of his career. He got a little bit more credit But he should have been given that that you know. Through the whole time man he was hundred percent. He was an absolute dog. I you play cobwebs you if you wasn't strapped up you strapped up after I rent because he's a bus right math. You ready all. Should I wear socks today lashed together. I always leave with this When I got to the jets I was not only amazed by who you are but the humility? And how much respected a game in and you you welcomed me with open arms I love you like family. I love you like a brother I always felt playing with you. You didn't get enough credit. I I say that I'm seriously I don't think you got enough credit because the Shit House put on your plate in that people don't know about How you had to control now? Only the line on but the locker room and be the face of organization which is usually given to a quarterback but you wore like fucking five star general. And you're one one of those guys who when I tell young kids on how to respect the game and approach to game and to be a professional always mentioned your name and I say I love you and I thank you for doing his brother. I appreciate Asiad man seven times. That should have been eight. Time Future Hall of Famer IZAAC. You think we'll see appreciate you coming to be hall of fame speech. Thank you very much. All right. Those are interview with seven time. Pro Bowler Nick Mangold. Two time all pro excellent player potential hall of Famer. Willie Willie was your favorite part Nick. Nick is You know he's wanting us there really honestly I know set it up the end. He means a lot to me. 'cause the guy who really bitter bitter when I left Pittsburgh because I thought I was going to retire steeler just like how he retired a jet Coming home was it. It was good but the jets would become into the jets really was me coming in bitter but also happy to be home but also happy to be playing with Nick and Britain because I careers. We got drafted together. New Legacy overall He really helped me transition into that locker room. Just for respect to me Eh as a professional Respected me as a ball player and then and allow me to come in and be willing and not feeling like hey we do do things like you know move back. This is my team. He never did none of that. He was like hey pick up. Pick up a shovel us. Let's get the the work Mama respect you and you respect me and he was ultimate professional and he even checked much time you know if I was due for. Naw for a maybe kind of not on my PS and QS. Play come on. Let's go and I blow you totally right on slipping. Thanks home and we worked so He was a guy had a lot of respected admiration and I loved him Because he was a great guy on and off to fill yeah. It's so interesting to hear about. How him replacing Kevin Wiley jets fans already knew like they would watch the center So that was very interesting and just you know his his whole contract and you know how they supported Durell Rivas in from what the outside world could look at as kind of a polarizing rising situation with him holding out asking for a lot of money but obviously we got nick pay. Then that's great and then the fine board. I think it was my favorite story. Just all the different things. Yeah He he would find four with knocking on on offense wine room door Story even even a story about. I'm glad he told it the way he told you know we talk. We look at the butt. Fumble comes up every so interesting. It comes up every year in the one person. We laugh at is always mark Sanchez because of it. But we don't think about Brandon Printing. It is an how if you go back some brand morte. He was a hell of a right guard. Man I mean he was he was a ball player. And when you hear the word when you hear his name you think about the but from which had nothing to do with him he was blocking. It was mark who pretty much did whatever but how it impacts brand of. Moore's legacy and how nick that's fucked up and so it's a that's a great spin is a great way. That now won't laugh at it because I kind of giggled every time I saw right. Now I'm like I won't do it because it'd be more. Yeah and I'm just Kinda hearing how his career ended is a bitter truth that a lot of athletes find just him getting Disneyland's pretty fucked up right you next fucking doc in teacups waving to Mickey and you get to call you no longer jet Mike maccagnan pocket fired right. The fuck out of New York. So but he's He was bitter about it. Still bitter but he continues to One thing jets fans they always respect as a jet and they hold them up hot He's he you know. When when did he is a green jacket and a yellow jacket? which I think he'll be an all in one day It's it's all well deserve and I know that because I've been I've been in the trenches with him. He was a hell of a ball player. I'm in hell of a guy really cool. Guy Really really enjoyed talk with him. I've got to know him a little bit through you and he's he's been a really cool guy But yeah thank you to the fans rock lots. What's Another Week of surfing tournament? We got some big things common bubbling big things coming in the pipes so stay tuned coming into pipes. We talked about it last week. Coming down the pipe or whatever but big things come in From frosty nope not time one. Time almost packers super bowl champion Willie Cologne. I Have Steven. Shay separate tariffs you guys. Next Week uh-huh

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Saints sore losers?, LeBron's Lakers, KD's advice, Wentz's future

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Saints sore losers?, LeBron's Lakers, KD's advice, Wentz's future

"What does make yourself? I'm Jason wedlock. That's Marcellus Wiley that do coming up. We'll tell you the whole world was wrong about the Brady Bill Belichick feud, and if LeBron is about to make the worst move of his Lakers career. Why is he illiterate? I but we start with a with law like every day which got today. Oh, man. I hope someone stands up to Sean Payton in the New Orleans Saints this off season. I hope they're not allowed to turn the NFL competition committee into a protest rally celebrating the victimhood of the saints and the aftermath of Sunday's controversial no pass interference loss to the Rams. Gale benson. The owner of the saints released a statement yesterday, making her intentions clear, she wrote no team should ever be denied the opportunity to reach the title game or simply when a game based on the actions or the inactions of those charged with creating a fair and equitable Plainfield as is clear. To all who watched the game. It is undeniable that our team and fans were unfairly deprived that opportunity yesterday. I have been in touch with the NFL regarding yesterday's events and will aggressively pursue changes in the NFL policies to ensure no team fan base is ever put in a similar position again more than five hundred thousand saints fans doubled down signing a petition demanding the title game be replayed. Stop sanction not victims. Not in my opinion victims are targeted the referee who fell to call the penalty on this past had no intention of harming the northern saints. In fact, his motivation was to protect the integrity of the outcome. He failed to act because he didn't want a judgment call by the refs to decide the game. His intentions were good. They were appropriate. The NFL's a reality TV show. The play offs are series of season finales, the goal of a season finale is for it to end with as much drama as possible you want your biggest stars to make the biggest plays to decide the outcome. No-one tunes is to see the ref in the game with two minutes to play the referees. Make a mistake in New Orleans this weekend. Yes. So what that's what humans do. No one died. The same still had to additional opportunities to win the game. They could've stopped Los Angeles on its ensuing possession. And the saints could have scored on the opening possession of overtime. Listen. I understand the whining. I don't have a real problem with it. But all this insistence that the NFL ensure this never happens. Again, the belief that Shawn Payne is going to use his position on the competition committee to right a wrong. Give me a break. It's the kind of misguided prisoner the moment emotion that causes us to overreact and make mistakes full. The need more emphasis on pass interference. It needs. Less pass interference is the most important play in professional football. And it's also the most frustrating for fans. Let me repeat football is a reality TV show, nothing annoys viewers more than arrest and on the sideline under a hood. Looking at a small screen. Nothing is more consistently aggravating than inconsequential contact between a db and a receiver moving the football. Thirty five yards downfield to the one yard line. It's all bad TV effort to placate Sean Payton's feeling of victimization could damage the game. Don't let it happen. The solution. What happened on Sunday is de emphasizing pass, it affairs allowing more contact we between receivers and DB's and relieving some of the judgment calls from referees. Don't treat Payton in the saints like victims, they're not they're sore. Lou. Users who may far more game beside him mistakes than the referees did on Sunday I joined the desk now or Fox Sports NFL analyst, Eric Mangini. And Tony Gonzalez ourselves. I'll start with you. Thanks like sore losers. Here mean man, you mean, I mean, really, oh, I never heard gale Benson speak. I'm sure she doesn't sound like Martin Luther King. Your. This whole sore losers. Psychology is always disturbed me from just growing up when you're wrong in competition, and you wanna show integrity. But you also want to be now only objective specific about your gripe. It's weird that people like you always say there's expiration date on you complain about how you were wrong case in point. Let's say I race you sane and he false starts. But they let them keep running. And he's already faster than me any keeps running. He beats me in a photo-finish. Do you know how long I'm going to complain about? How y'all let him get away with a false start to the day. I dot if there's a situation where you're talking about you wrong me. I was victim of the music city miracle I just brought it up again yesterday to the day. I can talk about my gripe. Why does that all of a sudden get terms sore? Loser sore loser to me is when you were beating beaten fair and square, and then you. Or making unnecessary gripes? Or you're exaggerating the wrong that probably didn't even occur. This is not that case. This is not a conventional case of a sore loser. This is a team that if the referees is do their job in that one moment they're going to win that game. So for me sore. Loser is a little excessive and also out of place for this category. I think we stand on a call depends on where you sit like, I think the tuck rule, call was a great call, and you know. I was in New England at the time. But but even even looking at this situation, there's no guarantee that they would won the game. So it would have been down to thirty seconds, and they would cook kicked two field. But if you look at the first game the end of the first half, what did the Rams do? They went down at the end of the half with twenty six seconds left and kicked a field goal because they've missed the fuel a lot of things could happen throughout the course of that game. They were letting these guys be physical it happened through the whole game. And there were a lot of calls like that in overtime. You could argue that the pass interference call that that that the saints did get was a wrong call the that was to those to light a call. So you can argue that throughout the course of the game. And if you're in Kansas City, you're unhappy about the fact that the New England Patriots able to go down score and overtime win the game without getting the ball back. So there's a lot of things that people are going to be an unhappy about at the end of the game. Was it a bad call? It was a bad call was it a guarantee that they would have won the game not necessarily. Well, I was there. And when I saw it in real time I was shocked. That would shocked that they didn't call that. I mean the ball in real was watching it. And I'm played the game a long time looking at it. And I'm saying that is no brainer pass interference. They're gonna run the ball three times. First down run the ball. Three times game is over now. Going back to what you said, by the way, that was very mean to put tears your mocking this man's pain. And you said it's nobody died, but I'll tell you this in people out there might not like this. But it does it feels like somebody died I played in the NFC championship game. We lost that game. I didn't get over it for a month. Literally went down to Mexico. I said forget about the program not going. I said I'm not I didn't watch the Super Bowl year. Literally was like somebody had kicked me in my gut. And we lose we lost parents square. We just couldn't score to lose like this. It is a tragedy to these people. It is it is it is like somebody died literally you can compare it to it is a death to them. It's that serious and I'm not exaggerating. I'm not saying it's like somebody. They literally feel like a part of them has died. And it's something they'll carry with them for the rest of their life. Some people get over it. But there are certain people out there that will never get over it. But it will never get over. It's very very tough to deal with. But it didn't end the game. It didn't end the game. And they had an opportunity to go. Stop the ram. They had an opportunity to get the first possession overtime and go down and score. And you wonder was the. Focus on that call the thing that distracted them for the rest of the game was their inability to move on from that that they eliminated difference in the rest of that game. They butchered everything I mean, calling I pass on the first down that did not go that way that whole clock shouldn't have been like that. They messed that up, and I'll give that to and yes, maybe they could have put the chances are if they got that call and then just take a knee three times in a row then kick a field goal with fifteen seconds of the game is over there in the Super Bowl. So I understand where these fans are coming from have a little compassion have a heart for them it bad. But now, let's go to the competition committee and ensure that this never happens again why I'm just sorry. There is long as humans are involved. There's going to be mistakes somebody in that competition committee, Mike Tomlin Mara fan. Somebody's got to stand up to Sean Payton who to me is going too far and gale Benson going too far my change in rules. Because something bad happened to the New Orleans Saints give me a break. Well, I I think a lot of the rules and the changes in the rules is because of the effect on the Konami and the business the football. So if you talk about the game being safer impart, you wanna make the game safer because you're selling into soccer moms and second generation athletes like Tony myself. So the economics do sway you in terms of how you want to change the rules in the competition committees and their votes so sticking replays about safe. Yeah. You know, what this was this was about integrity of the game. This is about the fan. Who's sitting there say, hey, is there another interest involve other than fair square competition? So yeah, as Gail Bisson even said in her letter, if you read it fully is started off talking about this play and then expanded to the fan base. And how she's blessed to be a New Orleans Saints and blessed to be from New Orleans. You know, what you have to reset that fan base? And the NFL has to reset his fan base as well. You can't let them have an entire off see that they can at any given time the referees may or may not call it. So. So the competition committee is influenced by the economy of the game, which is based off impart the integrity of the game. No calls have been a part of sports since the beginning of time and fans getting their feelings hurt has been a part of sports since the beginning of time the Saint Louis cardinals and their fans in one thousand nine hundred five Don dig consider messed up a call unintentionally that people in Saint Louis believe cost them a World Series title in game six now they blew the rest of that game. They had other opportunities to finish game six, and then they came out and got their butts kicked in game seven eleven zero. So I've seen Saint Louis. The city is fine. All the people that fans in the same Louis Cardinals. They're fine. The New Orleans Saints got delta, mid versity and a painful loss. Heartbreak is a part of sports. That's to celebrate victory. How do you get over it? So quickly though, I mean game was two days ago. The ready, right? You eighty five percents two days later, if they wanna be upset five, but all this. We've got to change the rules and people signed the petition is about Roger Goodell overturning the outcome and sending the saints to the Super Bowl are making them replay the game stop it. It's called volition. And for you to say, there's not one rule that's been the same from the get in a sports guess what Jason Whitlock is anti progress. You know, what we have to evolve the game continues to evolve, and this may be a part of the evolution. You're saying victims don't weren't intended in harmed in the process in ten intense. No intent you understand the difference. In a tent is like manslaughter to murder. You know what I'm saying? I didn't mean to hurt you. But guess what you go. So guess what? I still have to deal with that. So don't use it tit as you're only gauge you don't have to try and hurt me and still feel the pain. But how many times have pass interference calls? Ben, Ben Ben called and the balls on the one yard line, and it shouldn't have been called. It's worth the other way for years, and nobody really argues that strongly. About that. We tried to overpay. She ate the catch role and that didn't work out. So then we had to go back this year and change that. And then there are a bunch of balls that look like, obviously, they weren't catches. But everybody was afraid to overrule it. So we went the extreme the other way too. I like the idea of being able to to review calls, I think that'd be an open ended deal. But look this human error is part of the game. I agree with you. I agree with that. Absolutely. And you know, I agree with saying Sean, don't worry of the game. Don't overcomplicate this stuff. It was just a bad. No call by that ref. It really wasn't. I believe it was they let them play in the playoff. I'm not a thousand. But that was just a back haul. You don't think it was back. Call. No, I in Helena, the handles one call the helmet should have been gripe. So that's one of Hass in France to me is totally questionable. When you watched it lie that ball was uncatchable. I believe it was passed the dude actually, and it wasn't canceled was a bad throw. Another one of drew Brees is bad throws on that. Same drive, and it really wasn't because I was upset with the db like why does your touch and you didn't need to do anything. He could pick that up. But it, but he did. But he did do it. And yeah, he impeded the. That was a good ball. He would've had a touchdown would've caught. And that's what the DB said, by the way, he can. And he don't know. How would you feel if if you got your house robbed and the police were there there's intent and it is stop them. This like why would you mean my stop this? Call. This is wrong. That's not bad because it is their job to stop a crime from happening. But it's the police it's like, well, we didn't think he was going to do it. We thought he was here. So I just I honest to goodness. And I I love drew Brees think he's the Walter Payton of this era sham Peyton to me. I've lost some respect for he. He's a bid of over Ackerman. His wrongs for talking about ego control Marcelo does that have to do with the fact that he lost respect for him. His eagles out of control what you're using this to kind of galvanize that point and say, oh because you're complaining about a wrongdoer sore loser. So now, you're eagles out of control. I don't see the connect. He's not taking responsibility for what he did to cost them. Again. You know, what if this was during the regular season? I would agree with you. I would I would say get on you got next week. But there is no tomorrow here. That's why it feels like a death. You'll never have this opportunity, and it's gone forever. And you know, hard it is to get to these situations. It's extremely hard. So yes, he's grieving right now as I compared it to death. Is there a proper way to grieve? Are you going to tell somebody can't grieve that way? They're greeted it feels that that we are. But he died because this well this how I would like for them degree. You know, what the rest made a mistake, and I made about six costs us this game. And so you can blame the rift. But don't forget to blame me because I really did some dumb stuff here that help cost us the game. And there was so much football left after that play. And that to me is is what I think is getting overlooked. There's so many plays where they could have done the right thing and overcome this call it's not like that play was was the only one that that could end the game. I'm never going to awake with either way. Why did you tears he go? I'll give you the. Well, if you if today, I leave here and go to a buffet and choke on a buffalo wing and die. Don't blame the restaurant. Analogous. Robin Hood is an investing at to let you buy and sell stocks options, PDF's and cryptos all commission free. They try to make financial services work for everyone. Not just the wealthy. 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I back Woodlock Walli, Eric Mangini genius back. We're joined now by former pro bowler, Shaun Merriman time for a big story sponsored by Volvo and the all new s sixty follow no one. Let's move to the patriots who have called their way back to the Super Bowl for the nighttime in the Brady Bill check era. It's almost hard to believe, but a year ago the story coming out of Foxboro was one of discord between the two leaders of the NFL's greatest dynasty. But this week both bell check and Brady denied. There was anything to those reports. Some of these people who are never met him never talked to them. So I mean, I'm not going to get much of gossip, you know, we've always gotten along great. You know, it's we've worked together for nineteen years. So had the same goals in my for nineteen years. And you know, he's been just a great great mentor in my life. Great coach. He's taught me, you know, more than anyone ever heard about the game of football. And. You know, I've always just loved playing here and playing for him. He's the greatest coach of all time, and we just had some incredible moments together nineteen years in the same relationship. There was never a rift. There was never a problem. It was never an argument. There was nothing. It was just all gossip and rumors. These guys saying Coon by every night by a campfire. I don't buy to. No, I don't go hit nineteen. I it's very mature. What they're doing and saying, but in nineteen years, of course, there was a bit of a riff, but like to grown adults. They eventually saw. Hey, we're better together. And you know, what I really do love you. And we got over. Let's get over this Malcolm Butler deal, and let's go out here and try to win another Super Bowl. I give him great hat tip adults instead of growing apart. They the riff probably brought them back together and made them even stronger. That's what makes them great. They're mature and keep their eyes on the bigger picture. Over the long haul. But any relationship of nineteen years? Go have a rift or two you gave them to wit lock for door hat tip. The full hat tip. You might be you might really feel that way. I hate to go through semantics, but real rift versus arguments fights disagreements are, they saying are they synonymous are they really different. I take real riff to the point where these guys both have individual power and collective greater power real riff meetings to me that they try to execute an actual is our disagreement. That means I'm going to Bob Kraft Bellichik, you're going to Bob Kraft. We're trying to divorce each other like literally like to action like that's real riff. I've been on real riff. I've been Doug Flutie. Rob Johnson seen real riff. I've seen owner till way Phillips one thing. And the next day tell them something else to the tune of we lost the game. Because of that that's real rip. I seen AJ Smith. Now talk to mardi shot fourteen games walking down a walkway like this name speaking, that's real rich. Like, we're gonna make something happen now that that's not real riff nineteen years. And we, you know, we've been at six months already couple of times he looked at me. Like, all right. Love and that's a that's the that's really the ingredients of a great relationship. So hate to go semantics, but to me not rift because they didn't really make something of it. And I don't agree with it. But that's good. I agree with Marcellus. I think we whenever you're with someone for a long time. It's not going to be all roses and walks on the beaches, but there's a difference between having a disagreement being frustrated with someone and having something that's gonna tear you apart and they lost the Super Bowl. Jimmy Garoppolo all those different things that come up, but they both understand that they're good for each other. They both understand that they wouldn't be in the place that they're in without each other and dislike with any relationship there's certain characteristics of your partner that may get on your nerves after time. But you you respect the great things about it. And you move forward understanding that you each help each other achieve your goals. I believe wherever they're smokers fire period. I don't believe that anyone will make up some of the things. It was coming out. First of all, they keep organization so tight so anything to come out of it. It has to be something, right? When Jimmy G was was up, and he was supposed to we're going to stay organization leaves from Wales. Bill Belichick wanted him there. That's a fact people knew that. Well, the Tom Brady is won't come back. They will decide to that's that's a fact that if you want to call that riff, that's real riff. I do believe Bill Belichick. One thing. I do believe that he didn't speak to anyone of those reporters say anything negative about anything himself. But when I say, they're smoked as far I believe that players have seen. What happened hurt would happen in lock Rome. They seen it firsthand. One thing these players have wise. These wise have friends these friends have cousins, their friends they'll have. So it's out there. I believe when smoke there's fire have had been something over these years than it had to come from. You just don't make up things like, yeah. You know, never four. Yeah. But not from not from this organization. Nothing this because it's wrapped so tight. They don't let anything get out. Hold on. Respect yourself wicker sham in his report. And the fact that you went to sources not the source strike one. Maybe even strike one and two because as you're going to these anonymous teammates as soon as you can go to Tom Brady. And here, I'm not speaking to you. Didn't you go to Bill Belichick? I'm not speaking to you. Guess what? You don't have the pure on dope. You don't have it. Like, you think you have it? So now, you're getting into pillow talk you into guys who maybe have different motivations guys who are not in those intense moments and seeing it from afar everyone's vantage points starting to add up to a place where you like I got the complete picture instead of talking to the sources also. So you let me when allergy Guerrero when when that problem happened when he was to end the organization he was he made himself too comfortable that that wasn't a problem that was just made up. Oh, yeah. But Alex Guerrero doesn't mean that now Bill Belichick and Tom Brady going to have a real rift. We can have a disagreement you gave them access. Now, you want to rein it back OK. We got a disagreement on his access, but real riff like what kind of world we live in that. We're so sensitive that I can't say, yes. And no to you. And also, we've got a problem when I say, no, okay, Marsalis, all you. This is the single side of the room ad married. South. When when your partner says, I think in his own documentary that he was doing over Facebook wasn't. He the one saying that he didn't feel appreciate it wasn't. He the one is basically saying Bill check Gibbs him Nola when your partner comes and starts time. I don't feel appreciate I don't care. That's a problem that will lead to some counseling if that's not address. There's a big problem. The first thing I heard on record Tom Brady, not feeling appreciate it was years before this article and years before it is real riff. It was winning took his parking spot back. It was like five six years ago. Tom Brady had his own parking spot, Tom Brady desert his parking spot. I don't know what gets probably first time. He leaves probably last. But Tom Brady is is on parks about ended. They took it back. Now. There wasn't a real riff conversation. A real riff article written about that. But that's part of the fuel for this. Call real refire. Now, we all of a sudden have all these people talking. About their situation. When really all it was was a power play Donnie represented three of the four parties involved. Jimmy, G you represent Tom Brady Bob Kraft in a loose fashion. And then as Bill Belichick and feeling isolated like, no, y'all consultant about me. And then that's all that was exaggerated. If there was a real risk. Why didn't they just really beef it out to the point where they're not together long? But look if you're in New England, you can't be sensitive that that's just the way it is. You can't be sensitive and be there and Tom Brady one of the great things about him is as much success and fame, and all the all the things that had he still coach all he still appreciates the role that he has and that role allows him to be lead everybody else who's in there and with any relationship. Yeah. Are you going to get into arguments? You are are you going to have to give and take a little bit. You are. But at the end of the day when you understand that this person is what's best for you. You move on from it and go to the next. Next thing in line. They certainly have. And I can't criticize either one of them after that class. We have to. It's grits. Philosophies on believe in compromise. I'm not meeting. Anybody halfway stupidity? We'd lock it while they were joined now by NBA insider, Kris Haines now, let's move to the NBA. We're Carmelo Anthony is finally on the move and being traded from Houston, Chicago. The trade is just a money dumped mellow won't actually play for the bulls. But he could still end up with his good friend, LeBron James with a report servicing that the Lakers are still interested in finding a way to acquire. The former all star who likes this. Do they Carmelo Anthony it didn't work out with Chris Paul his best friend there? Why would it work out with the Lakers and LeBron James Carmelo makes no sense with the lake? It makes a ton of sense. Whatever you want to say about Carmelo Anthony. And a lot of people wanna point to his last two years of production in declined to really just say that's who he is in totality a lot of movement. A lot of moving parts Carmelo Anthony. I still think he's a very good player in this league and very good for the Lakers situation for two reasons one he is a veteran and Esa young core. And LeBron James at his age is looking for guys who are ready right now in two if you look at him from the three point line, which is today's game Carmelo Anthony on this team would rank top three interns shooting in his decline like the decline years at thirty five thirty six percent shoot right now. We'll be right behind the best three points shoot on Lakers, which is by percentage. Anybody full-fat trivia heart last divas? Hello. Hello. What? So Carmelo Anthony because of his versatility, I'm not going to use all the decline in and just say, that's we isn't totality. I think he can really help this team. Specially in a veteran mindset I have to with Whitlam on this one smoke. He was in Houston. He was on a team where all he had to do was play a minimal role, and it didn't work out. It lasted what a couple of weeks before it was let go. So now you asking him to come onto a Los Angeles Laker squad. We'd take LeBron's aims out. This team is young. Yeah. Is he in is Carmelo in of the mindset right now that could come in? And be a veteran leader just help these young guys or is. This mindset is is I can still score give buckets. Because if that's his mindset, that's the mindset that got him out of Houston and the Lakers right now, that's not what they need. And I know LeBron James like the Lakers interest is it Lakers. Or is it LeBron? That's interested in Comilla. So we know LeBron wants them over. I just don't think that's a good fit overall. That's messed up. This is messed up Houston. And okay, see, if you talk about Carmelo Anthony fitting in what's in common in those two destinations the leader of both franchises, not the same facilitator and open minded leader as a LeBron James Russell Westbrook and James Hart who did takes hard right now who I love who I respect who soon as Chris Paul down James hard to hang. Hey, hey goes back to what he really wants to do what he's been suppressant which is takeover. Russell Westbrook plan. Well, with Paul George we understand that. But it's a difficult process. Carmelo has taken a lot of the blame for dealing with two of the superstars whom don't necessarily like to share put them in. Lebron james. Say what you will about James Ross. But there one elite leaders an assist every year after they get their book, Libro, willow. Broncos back you feel for the okeydokey. I understand that. I understand they wanna get their numbers. I do I do get that. But you you bring Carmelo who you taking minutes away from. I think you're bigger problem is is an Chris do you? Remember, Alan Iverson in Denver, and he still thought he Melania Alan Iverson from Philadelphia. And that's the problem with Carmelo Carmelo is a sober. Alan iverson. That's all he is. He still thinks he's the guy that won the national championship in Syracuse. He's still thinks he's a perennial all star. And you know, a number one number two player. He's not of the minds. He's still thinks he's one of the ten best players in the league. And Alan Iverson to to this day probably still thinks he can go out in NBA and get forty. This is a sober. Alan Iverson, it just won't work. Man, y'all either alone. I. He's going to say if he thinks if that's his mindset it won't work your, Los Angeles. I don't know that that's the case. Yeah. I don't know if he really thinks he's still a tap to imply. He's a good player. He should be in his league. But as a right now at this stage of his career, it's all about fit ONA EC. He can't help. He can't help eight warriors who've come on strong lately winning nine of their last ten to regain control of the west earlier this season like things might be falling apart and Golden State with Draymond green getting suspended by the team after an on court spat with Kevin Durant. But as Marcus Thompson writes in the athlete Draymond into rant have made up with Katie asking green to rein in his emotions, quote Durant seen green control it. He seen him keep his composure in the crucible of championship stakes. He seen him locked in and focus forcing his emotions to submit to his will so Durant. Challenged him to be better. Green accepted. All right. Is this a good sign for the Golden State Warriors in terms of long-term, keeping Kevin Durant? I say it has no impact there. I think Kevin Durant is trying to get through this season. And he's going to do. Whatever the hell it is. He wants to do when he off season comes around. I'm with you there. I think a lot of times, especially NBA free agency. We look for any little scrap. Any little kernel us out? That means something oh, he has a home here in off season. Yeah. You gotta home about five cities. If you really want to know, so I'm not going there with this. I'm not putting too much on this for a guy like myself. No shame. I was engaged four different times. And every single one of those we went through counseling, and we really try to work it out. And it was always them always knew they would've probably found that out in council. I thought it was all be found. It was so, but the point is you will move on and still say, all right? Well, I tried and I think that this is one K D is doing he's like I tried like I'm trying to fix the situation. Doesn't mean I'm married to it. So I wouldn't put too much on this. I think it was going on is that isn't it happened? So early in the season that at some point they had to talk about it try to move on past. It actually got Katie a few days after that incident on my podcast posted up with Chris is pocket podcast. What we heard about that do with my boy markes and terrorists all, but he look he said that he let that go immediately. I don't know what I believe him from that standpoint. But look, I agree with I don't think this is going to have any bearing on his future or anything like that. It's a situation where it's a long season. I gotta play with you. I gotta see you everyday. So we're going to have to discuss about discuss this and move on now. Was the warriors. Are they concern or they still concerns his this day? Yes. I think so was that incident that I have played pick part in their casare. Yes. It did play a part in the summer. I'm not so sure a smarter K D to do it this way too. Because one you address a younger player or less accomplished player in him. And you don't son them. You just say look man, I think he got more in you. If you hone this in really start to be a well rounded player said it just always being emotionally driven. But to like, you said it's really awkward to be on a team travel. Everything would have guy and you're trying to ignore them. Because my grandma used to say to ignore is to pay attention you ever try to ignore somebody. You gotta pay more tentative. Oh, here they come. Cool do pay more attention to this dude. And I'm right in front of you, some of the other thing here, though, I think it's smart by Draymond to accept this criticism and try to change because he still would like to get paid again from Golden State, and he can't be seen as the reason. K D left that would cost him money. That's an credibil-. Good business decision. Right. Make sure you go in and appeases guy because he was a big reason why he got them there. But you don't wanna be the the reason why. Yeah. And you think about it like Draymond green? He's interesting case study his numbers don't support max dollars or even anything in that respect, however him in this circumstance does suggest you need Swiss army knife for would they do if he gets himself in his position where they lose the love for him in the organization. I don't know where else he can go and command that same dollar based on these numbers and the perceived effect you'll have on another French. You know, what's not smart job boards that send you candidates that aren't qualified for the role you posted or send you a mile high stack of resumes to sort through. But you know, what is smart going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash speak to hire the right person. Unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter finds qualified candidates for you. It's powerful matching technology scans thousands of resumes to identify people with the right skills education and experience and actively invites them to apply to your job. So you get qualified candidates fast. 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But my house took a screen shot and post it on Twitter asking a question. How's this happen people over to this? I just because he says so right for the people who didn't see this. Let me remind you of something that happened over Twitter for thirty minutes that you didn't see and should you be offended? It's a mistake. Some kid was trying to motivation was trying to honor Dr king and kids screwed it up. And they corrected it. I don't understand how this ended up on the front page of ESPN dot com. Not big news. This is not big no dog make mistakes. Ooh. I mean, I'm not dead. To know. My legacy is going to be if I have worked outside my family, but. I don't think there's anything you can do it. It's gonna make me feel like I want to wake up from the grave. How dare you like this? When I saw it. I was like I hope he explain why should be mad because maybe I will be mad. But if you don't explain it. I'm not mad offered this image imagery, right there. Like, I know what you're doing like Cain. What he stood for obviously is not this scope, but is it a violation of put them in his lane. I'll tell me, but I feel like it is it is to me is just as bad as when you ever see the flyer people don't a nightclub, and they got Martin Luther King on the front of a nightclub like doing to me. Ever seen that you'd never you. Never seen heard about about me. He is saying the same thing trying to promote something on his day. What you're trying to promote him and use the university. You try to promote something. That that's why have a problem with it. Because you're trying to get something out of your not just you're not promoting him. You're not celebrating him. You're trying to get something out of it. So that that's my problem where Martin Luther King day. It's not like snuck up on anybody. We knew this day was coming. So you have time to plan Sekli plan. How you're going to honor hill that's much people looked at that. Pro February fourth and they do y'all got a problem with. Yeah. Okay. So king is why you just promote Martin Luther King and trying to get something from that. What I'm saying? It's not just from Morehouse along those files this over there. I think it's a bad attempt at trying to get young people to relate to Martin Luther King. How can I put something out there to get them to think about Martin Luther King? It's a bad attempt, but they removed it almost instantly on the stand. Why this is page news on ESPN dot com to hold this little Casaus moment. I hear what you're off the site. Wrong. This does that mean is wrong. I mean, I'm a little looser cut to the first time. Moving on big NFL news with cheese fans rejoicing with the news, I defensive coordinator Bob site, and has been relieved of his duties celebrated. She's decision with most people saying should have had a long time ago. Adam Schefter, Florida Rex Ryan name out. There's a possible replacement Ron has been approached about other positions in the past few seasons. But do you guys the wrecks would fix all the problems? Do I think Rex will fix all the TS? I think it'll be an upgrade over Bob. Sudden I think I would be upgrade over Bob said. Yeah, man, we went through this and all of them yesterday. And I want to get somebody fire, but it. Palmar made the call. Abra? Thank you. I'm wrong with this. I in pass rushing and sacks. And in thirty person defense like I've never been on the team where I've seen that actually worked together so gay Bob sudden, you're Skien old antiquated. Gotta go because they couldn't tackle to be. When defense came tackle. That's the mentality. The US still instilling your whole entire that's coming from the top. That's a deep. It's a coordinator. They ain't tackling. Nobody and I had argued with Brian Cox about this healing. Oh played for Bob said. And I know I say let me tell you something you get older time to go. Like the game has changed. Your philosophy might be different your attitude might be different towards a game. And this time has passed. I don't care. How great it wasn't in the past. He's just not good. Bob. Sudden is not dick lebeau. Let's. What I'm saying? I'm making your points like dick lables, a special case old, correct? They can still get it done. This old do the needs to go. All right. Along our own in my favorite clip on Twitter. The seventy Sixers beat the rockets yesterday and once when one nine hundred blow out even more impressive with this. Big Tom dance between these two kids. They're really going at hitting oh, the dads moved from fort night. Oh, I try picking the winner. It was too hard to choose one. Both was killing gotta hurry up and day out of his eyes. More. I've been chew before. I know you like to tempt to do a few moves. Yeah. Yeah. And with lock what'd you say? Who will win? You went line dancing this as so I know Marcellus. You had a chance like chair dancing? Big us your. Aggressive on a damn about the dads get out he gets. Gets. On the ground loving, man. Yeah. The do finally got out of his shirt one. But it was a great contest. They got to stop this. Right. Because you missed when they were showing this like two or three kids next to was also taking their shirt off. You gotta you gotta stop this at some point. That becomes the thing. You've gotta real you got a real problem we hand. Yeah. Just had a daughter. She not getting. The day. Got to keep the club and over. Say. Timeouts keep your eyes closed. LS next moving on to a guy went viral last week on Twitter Qena Sanders, aka to three hundred twenty pounds backflip gal from western Illinois in NFL draft prospect Zander found out that his pregnant he asked was going into labor while he was at the senior bowl and decide to stay in Alabama me I said delivers her baby and Chicago some people online criticize the twenty two year old for not being shelled while others pointing out and he's doing something that could help revive what family better later on. What would y'all do this for you? What his wife told what exactly? Go make. Right. We do this once in a lifetime thing, and that we're going to do some more of you know, what it's a tough decision. But you gotta go if you could jump around you better stay right there. Rouse, the opening no problem. I'll say this. I wouldn't be able to get away with it. But to teach teach this. Oh. No, I don't think. So I do not go. Wpro passes versus I don't they gave you slipped into third round textile coming. He's taking all the heat. I guarantee you his girl who's the world was like we'll come speak out there. Jay, she speak on those bath. Being here is enough. That means. You think you think man you can't face time to see your boat. You can't be like those doing this, right? They all that accommodate not saying that. Thanks. Jason Whitlock, here's Marcellus Wiley. It's time to put on our thinking caps. Eric Mangini, Shawn Merriman or back as you know. I'm a journalist. And we've got our resident Ivy league Lombi is very oh Marcellus Wiley. We're gonna talk about a big issue in sports on much deeper. Intellectual level. Yes, we are for our Columbia grad. We have a special cab Darnell bring it out. Guys have to put up with this who biscuit, Eric went to Wesleyan is probably pretty smart school. Got maryland. Grad bell check, I'm from ball state. I socialize very well once all right? Let's return to the NFL where the patriots once again proved to be greater than the some of their parts with Brady leading another unheralded unit to a huge road. Win over my Kansas City Chiefs and back to the Super Bowl for the third year in a row before the grain Brady said he felt like everyone doubted the patriots and right after the win. He vented about all the criticism to receiver. Chris hogan. Nothing HOGAN is just wanna Brady's many unheralded skills players the most notable being Julian Edelman who has turned into the most productive postseason receiver in the NFL since joining forces with Brady I'm watching the game Sunday night and Julian Ataman crushed the Kansas City Chiefs, and I just it just popped in my head us bite. Jillian is more valuable than all the diva receivers, they get all the attention. This guy's out here killing putting together a hall of fame resume helping the patriots go back to the Super Bowl for the ninth time Julian Edelman is more valuable than Antonio Brown. Odell Beckham junior and all the other Deavere receivers wrapped together. May maybe take shots at Julian Edelman right now. I I'm with you when they said it during the broadcast, he's putting together a hall of fame candidacy. I was like, yeah. 'cause he's clutch. And that's amazing. But we we have to dive into the details. Also highlight why Antonio Brown, and they'll Beckham or more valuable one before you even get to this postseason. You got a ball out zero to sixteen as they call it. So you gotta get your regular season games TV getting that conversation. And that's where Julian Edelman one loses a conversation Antonio Brown and to deal Beckham junior by the gist of the numbers Danielle his only been in league with five years before those five thousand plus yards only once he missed it. And that was because the empty calories go head open while. Okay. We'll fame empty calories. Don't count the two games in the postseason. Maybe three versus the sixteen regular. Okay. Desio? Great scale Eto. Etem Antonio Brown league. Same amount of years who don't look at two one thousand yard seasons for men versus seven without Antonio has just opposite set in with it and to without it. There's no comparison in terms of like just what they can do out there. There's not a comparison. Now, if you put them all in the same situation structure and lessen the assets around him, then you're gonna have a conversation. But here's my real thing as we just watched a hall of Famer and Teo who put up the second best numbers NFL history. Get slighted because of off the field issues. I'm gonna slide Julian Ataman for on the field issues. I'm not even gonna go into Snapchat, y'all going to have you on around. I'm gonna go into the fact you've got suspended for peak AD's now where I'm from the athlete. I am who never test them. Anybody who did it and one of my best friends in the game? Rodney Harrison did it Merriman. I caught. I love y'all as people. But as a player, man, we don't even count you beyond discounted your discarded because if you had to go and cheat to go get their man versus machine, I'm a bet on the machine you own that. Thank once, you do that you're discarded in this conversation in comparison to other guys who haven't been affected by that. I do agree with you let certain parts of that. Because I've also got a few times. What do I feel about going forward? You got some of the baseball players who up and I had to comment on. So I do feel about that certain point. But I'm going to to a whole point of. None of these notes diva guys can even play on this team in the first place. They can never play on his systematic off into scheme program. New England Patriots team in the first place. They can never go into field. They go too much about giving a damn ball in this. You can't have a gimme today about attitude because this ain't type scheme the last person that plate next game that you knew you had to throw the ball to you knew you had to get a bubble. Was Randy moss that was there. But he that's so rail for that even happen. They'll never happen again because you have to spread the ball around too much these guys that's what makes them so unpredictable on what they're going to do an office out of the ball. I can go back to even west Welker. I mean what's woke up we lined up west worker, eight us alive, and we played them. He's found ways he was he was Julian before Julian element, even was really talked about Walker was the man he leaves go to Denver. I knew had a concussion some some some injury problems whatnot. But you didn't hear bottom again. I can't put him up in that category. Only because he. Has too much help one being Tom Brady. The other won't be being Bill Belichick. You go to another team, and you produce the same way. Then we can have these talks if you can't do that. Then I can't talk about. Yeah. Jillian minute is a fit in this system. He's productive in this system. Just like Wes Welker was productive in the system and before him toy Brown was productive in the system. Now Antonio Brown is a different category because he's uniquely talented. And even when he double team when he can find ways to get open. But if you look at their their whole body of work, and all the things they bring you've gotta look at how much you have to pay an Antonio Brown versus Ataman have to look at the distractions that each guy brings the table and the off-season during the regular season all those other problems and hide. How do you weigh those things we're just gonna look at cheer ability than Antonio Brown? Would would have the nod without a doubt when you look at the system fit and how productive is in this for. This team. It's no comparison. If Marceau's you made a point that someone, you know, obviously, clearly wasn't even close to being appropriate, but never use PD's. But I never had a problem with guys that did I really did. It didn't bother me. No. Because if because people do generally speaking, whatever it is necessary to compete, whatever it takes to compete, people are going to do and you can't stop. And again, it's not that. I think using steroids is okay. But I let that got to do to compete. Well. It's not necessarily just as players. You also had to understand this the committee who vote on it is not just to players you have some players. Yeah. Some guys who do don't even get caught for a long period of time. You got some guys like me who made a mistake. You got I believe in his case. And when he presented to link he made a mistake. So that's what you get suspended. That's what it is. But if you and I always say if I was in that position, and I wouldn't get in. Because of that reason I wouldn't be totally upset because I understand that you got a bunch of guys that have long careers never been in trouble number of for that. Anyway, and never had any auto fill issues. None of this stuff. I understand it. I get it. But I don't necessarily think that that's going to be the determining factor for him. At least because he's had a log enough career. He's been productive. You know? You know, and not just something short and happening went away. I wanna move back to valuable and so to me if I'm an NFL owner executive or head coach I wanna get to where Bella check and the patriots are nine Super Bowls in eighteen years. Five Super Bowl rings that kind of consistency. And so if I'm owner executive coach, I'm like, how come I find me a Julian Ataman, and how can someone who will adhere to the system that I wanna use to win he's reliable. I don't have to worry about whether he's going to be at the practice before a must win game. I don't have to worry about is he going to get to the spot where my quarterback expecting to. He's not going to be Facebook live in my locker room. He's not going to be a distraction. This is a guy that I can win with and since two thousand nine one hundred five postseason receptions, the second place is Wes Welker with sixty one third is Julio Jones. You don't get to Antonio Brown until like ninth or tenth Odell Beckham. These guys aren't as rely. Liable as as Julian Edelman and availability and reliability are talents that are highly valuable. I mean, look when you're a patriot as adamant is. Yes, six more games in the postseason, then Brown and Beckham combined. So guess what you're gonna have more opportunities to get those numbers up but per game averages he doesn't beat Antonio Brown. So, you know, if Tonio had more opportunities and his numbers with Trump adamant the thing about it is you can't replicate what the patriots doing like, they even Mr. Magoo them themselves to this position. They didn't know what they were getting in Bella check in terms of this level of greatness. They thought they were getting a damn good coaching an amazing defensive coordinator who had struggles in Cleveland, thirty six and forty four record. And then when he got to New England he was five and thirteen before Tom Brady stepped on that field. Now, everyone always says who is it Bellichik Brady. I can't isolate the variables except saying one. Bella check had opportunities before Brady, but none sits Brady. Five at thirteen. Then Brady hit the field that year, they want eleven gays and wanna suppo Jules, I'm reliability consistency. Availability lack of destroy vote. You take those values anywhere in sports anywhere in TV anywhere in life. And they work and Julian Edelman adheres to those values, and that makes him more valuable than guys that don't when you look at deller Antonio, and you say, well, they haven't had as many opportunities in the postseason if they were more reliable if they were more consistent with those teams of Ben in the postseason more as a chicken or egg in terms of their production. What about you lie? Manning anybody he might perform. She was. Them adamant Las better. If I give him the culture and the here's to reliability. Eric genius John Maher or bat moved to Philadelphia where despite another late season surge led by Nick foles Beagles have made it clear that Carson Wentz their starting quarterback. But yesterday reports surfaced that the locker room isn't fully behind wins who was called selfish and egotistical by anonymous sources some of his teammates jump to his defense with lane. Johnson tweeting, quote, whoever wrote that article needs to check their sources fake news. Carson has been and is our leader. And our quarterback, y'all know where to find me if you have any issues with Zach ertz, adding don't believe everything you read Carson has been nothing, but a great person great teammate and a great leader since day one our locker room stands behind him all the way, we can't wait to get back to work and be the best team. We can be in two thousand nineteen question is should Carson Wentz be worried about this? And I would say, yeah. A little bit because I think there's some truth to it. But I think it's natural. I think I read the entire article guys are upset. He threw the ball Zakar is too much. There's a couple of wide receivers out Sean Jeffrey Nelson agriculture maybe have a little problem. He targets eckerd's. I think this is the proper pushback against Carson Wentz to try to point him in the direction. You know, why we play better with Nick foles because he does x y and z you need to do a little more of this. That's eight earlier. I don't trust articles that talked to the sources not the source strike one. Strike to is this one this whole narrative of all the teammates coming out saying man, you target Zach so moored in the Nick foles did did y'all watch the games. I did hear some facts for sin of targets. That's kind of comparable to me if not the same look at that. Carson Winston, dick, foes, basically, saying, hey, Zakar. She opened up though, all the same. Great a lot of people wanna exaggerate that maybe because of their friendship, you know, how that goes all you. I've been onto me disgruntled teams man, I've been through civil wars cast even speak to each other. And I'm like narratives start to run in different places in parts because the cancer separated. Awesome port this player or you support him. Now, we haven't communication. The article was well written, but I just don't buy. I buy a lot of disgruntle individuals who tried to map on what they felt to this situation. And it got taken out of context, I struggle with the term well respected anonymous sources well respected. In a locker room. If you really are. Then you're gonna take a young player, and you're going to take them to dinner. You're gonna take him somewhere privately and say, hey, these things are coming up. I wanna make you wear of it. So that you can you can adjust and that's what well respected teammates to. They don't go and say that there's all this strife, the other thing is for as many players to come out as publicly as they did and support them usually guys feel a certain way, they won't say anything at all. These guys were proactive in coming out and saying this is not the case if your boys with someone, but you may feel that it's it is true that typically those guys say nothing as opposed to come on deposit. Wiz anonymous source the first thing I think of is coward period. These guys that have a personal vendetta against somebody. Don't likes a person in lock for whatever reason. This could be a guy that's on the way out the door could be leaving. Because Carson Wentz into into the ball on Carson wins. Didn't do something. For him. Or didn't help him stay with the team organization. We don't know what it's anonymous source is. But let me tell you. This is not a non for long. If somebody really said that because they might not come out to the media might be off the record. But the guys upstairs they gonna find out who spreading these bad things round the locker room that person's going to be gone. If not already I think it's crystal clear that there's a segment of the eagles locker room that loves Nick foles. Yes, they put up a low shrine in the locker room and all that other stuff. And so there's a segment of that locker room that loves his leadership in his approach, and they're trying to push Carson Wentz that direction not doing it in the best way possible. They're young people. They're inexperienced with the media. But that's all this is to me. And I think Carson Wentz will be better for this. Not all fake news stories or not all anonymous source stories are a bad thing or lead to bad. Vacations. There will be a conversation between Carson Wentz and some of his teammates this offseason. Yeah. He could grow from it. But oh Carson Winston buy. You a shotgun for Christmas. Everybody about shocker be careful talking about this boy with owning up to just be careful. It's the rare occasion when these types of stories are always. Jimmy's here to help us talk about our puja Raitis for saints coach, Sean Payton. What would it be like be catching? Would it be like? Beka funny, man. It's funny over here. Everybody got joked, right? Hey, go find out what visa when they get back to the locker room. Get back to the drizzling. Who who? Oatmeal raisin. Taking a look at highlight from our discussion earlier in the show about Sean Payton, don't treat Payton in the victims. They're not they're sore losers who made far more game deciding mistakes the referees did on Sunday. This is not a conventional case of sore loser. This is a team that if the referees is do their job in that one moment they're going to win that game. I'll give you the greater Balaji. If today, I leave here and go to a Buffy and choke on a buffalo wing and died don't blame the restaurant. Analogous. As I told you early in matters. There was no intent by the referee to harm to say. Who you sure about that? No that referee play for the Rams, you know that that'd be auto re-look. John. Peyton is a sore. Loser in a wine. Jimmy, what's your take leave the bees alone? What's your take? You really seriously defending these referees right now, get them kidding me. Right now know who who who is you Johnny Cochran for the referees. Let. Man. These referee's got saints blood all over the body. You ruined the glue don't fit so he had to get hit. The hell out of here about the slogan. Drew Brees you're still on the sidelines of the Super Bowl would tell police Trump tape around. Talking about the DNA is contaminated stopping listen met. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they're not victims what audience. These being the Super Bowl and they're not 'cause damn referees. Didn't do their job. Dad sound like a me to Vic me. Tim don't matter. I'm getting ample let me get sample victim, then chair you say, no right there. Victor. Victim every goal is of your ten. You got you gotta lonesome coming. Right FOX studio. There are no victims in football, Jimmy Merck Alice. Yes, sir. Yes. Gals top. We'll that's what it'd be like you for me. Hello, my nephew, some money or. Debt that she's bed. He talking about yesterday it hurt eight hundred him a little more than when he led. No. Eight Hockley somebody James's pocket for these referees. Real top. How much you lose breaks? Hear that. Again. He was out in Vegas suit and crafts all set. There trying to make it rain Cardi Jeep. Wait, wait, wait, wait, Cardi, B, B B. What the hell I say. Can't afford. No Cardi B here. Kind of game. Only one in the family. They got game like that. Jim. Right. Tell you. They call me, then the toys Jimmy. Please believe me, sweetie. I got enough to feed the needy sneak up from behind. I give it that line. Say things to make a smile. What numbers? The dial. Hula would me girl. I'm at to pay you for that child. I might be old but Jimmy still cold. Oh, man, you let me get to my approval for Shana one is approving you. I'm not approving John pain. He's down in a lot of category. Well, this first time we've raised NFC championship performance in nineteen all time greatest seventeen character. Fourteen. People don't know this is not just bountygate Shaan Payton was a striker. He was a scab back in the NFL came in as a five ten quarterback. He was the original collar Murray as they scare authenticity. I'll get my nineteen. He is he is who he says he is. Stance on that picket line. Total of sixty nine role player right now for. Kills you should be in the Super Bowl a role player. I give them much more love that. He's a goat. He's a guy that they're trying to copycat. The Shah McVeigh is the next version of him. And they're trying to find all versions of Sean McVay and champagne who still has options out there. Twenty two job performance nineteen all grain twenty two job performance. He just cost him the game. He should have been running the ball. Wow. Should've been Super Bowl last year out of fire. Yeah. Right. Last two years. Probably had the best team should a little bit of editor eighty four go status respect he did have a gate so that character is a little lowered and it should be an author Tissot. He is we is doesn't shy away from the moments, and he goes for the jugular. I like what did you have Bill? Check rating yesterday, Dan, they're the same score house. Bella check on the same level with Sean Payton because Bill chick more gates. Jason is.

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Minnesota game because they I can't figure them out because when I liked the coach and I'd like your players. My propensity is to take you but they're terrible. So I cannot figure Minnesota I like GM. Like, their owner I like their coach and I'm okay with their quarterback and I liked their skill people and yet they're terrible so I would I don't believe this a game for me I would say it's a six and a half point Fox bet spread Vegas telling you. You should probably take the packers on if it was seven, it's past seven and a half take Minnesota six and a half tells you bet green bay so I'd probably Bet Green Bay but I haven't. Had the vikings more than once on blazing five I. Just I don't have no feel for them. with Eric Mangini five years, NFL, head coach jets, and Cleveland Browns three rings with the Patriots now joining us live. So, this whole listen Antonio Brown to the buccaneers they don't need a receiver. I. Join I are like. Were enough as things in a work. My gut feeling is you wouldn't be a huge fan of it. You know you like to good locker and what do you make of it? I'm actually a huge fan of it in this context in this situation so that they're they're betting a million. I bet it works out and he's coming in. He should be extremely motivated considering first of all, how bad it goes no Clinton cow battles, New England, how bad it goes when he's on the street now he finally gets opportunity. He's coming midway through the season. He's got a relationship with Tom Brady Tampa's built really as a as a one year team right now. Yeah. It's not really built for the long term and I think I think Tom can manage this and I think you're GonNa get a guy who's as motivated as he possibly can be to resurrect his career because this is. I thought we were at the last chance. This has got to be the last chance and he's insanely talented. So if it works out, it's a great thing for Tampa. Yeah. So I mean listen. Bella checks great nobody disputes it, but he has won only forty-three percent of his games without Brady. Now, Brady's been around his career. Most of the time that you could say that's unfair but I didn't think it would be this bad. It is easy to blame Cam, I get it but every great coach has a weakness. and. I've always felt i. told you this Bella check drafting skill people said one pro bowler since wrong and even he acknowledges Gronk was a little bit of a roll, the dice because he was hurt all through college. We can blame all we want on this. This organization is slow offensively. They've got no playmakers anywhere. I don't think it's an easy solve I. Think you have to get a college quarterback somewhere how does New England get out of this mess right now? With the there's a lot of truth away. You say about skill players bill only drafted one receiver until Nicole here in the first round and as you know however many years, he's been the head coach that was back in Cleveland like ninety, Ninety Four. It's not really what where he's he's focused I think they can get back out of it. You saw the first game this season tons of quarterback driven runs to the. Point where I was worried if I, if I was cams agent I would have had a problem with it with how many times he was getting it but it was it was very effective and you saw how much that opened up the passing game the following week. Then I was impressed with how accurate cam was and the way that that that he was effectively throwing the ball coming off the injury with so many questions. Kobe hits I don't know how much that. Cam I'd say the starting point is getting back to what we always know about new and they don't beat themselves and I saw where where someone saying candy to get the ball quicker it it's not that it's eliminating the turnovers just start with that and doing is going to be in every single game and I, think you do need to find a healthy balance of the. quarterback driven runs like you see in Baltimore with with the passing game. That's you know maybe out of the empty sets a bit more traditional with what cams on. Well. So Baker Mayfield citizen-sensitive for all of us to insinuate they could be better without Bj but we've been saying this for two years I never thought Oh Bj was a good fit and the examples I used. Earlier where the mariners got better when a-rod left, the nationals got better when Bryce Harper left the Knicks made the finals when Patrick Ewing got hurt and the theory is that sometimes a big superstar can shrink. Other players can put pressure on a quarterback, put pressure on a franchise and they can leave and go be great players. Know Bj will again be a great player but. Baker I think is better spreading the ball around is a young quarterback. That's he did it Oklahoma you live in Ohio I. Don't I, we've been saying this now for two years. I just never thought Oh Bj the brand the personality I felt Baker was jamming it into him. I think Cleveland is going to be better now going and sprinkling the ball around the Infield your thoughts. This isn't this isn't an Ohio thing or no Beckham thing. This is a this happens all the time the League where you get a guy who's tremendously talented and as a giant personality and wants the ball and wants the ball consistently I can tell you every good receiver I've been around when they come to the sideline they're open they were always open. It doesn't matter when you show him the picture and the double teamed the coverage takes you somewhere else they're open, they're frustrated and you get some of. These guys that are vocal or or can be disruptive and it's hard. It's hard as a veteran quarterback to to deal with it, and it's hard as a veteran head coach to deal with it. But when you got a first year head coach, you've got a younger quarterback that pressure mounts even more and that that's I it's hard to argue that losing a great player helps your team but there is something to be said for just being able to drop back pass and throw the ball to the open receiver. With Tampa making all these moves. Does in Seattle bringing in Carlos Dunlop. If you were coaching, the packers would you? I mean seriously as a head coach would you go to the GM and go? We gotTA keep pace here a little bit right? Doesn't Green Bay have to make a move. Yeah I heard you talking about that and there is a lot of truth to that they've averaged. Thirty five points in their wins and the one loss comes Tampa Bay. Just adds Antonio Brown and it does become somewhat of an arms race people are scoring it at. Know. A little bit of unheard of base. You Watch Seattle and the amount of points that they put up to be able to go and add another piece of this puzzle. I think would be a good thing especially when you didn't do it in free agency, you didn't do it in the draft quarterback route. But you know I. I'd say they never do it last night they loaded up on defense a free agent. So so this is is not totally formed their DNA whether they'll do it at the trade deadline and whether we'll fuller's actually the the answer I don't know but you're going to have to keep pace with other explosive offenses in the NFC to What do you expect I'm excited to watch him play joy spent a lot of time in Miami. I do worry that he not going on about this, but I've said in the history of the NFL the best thirty quarterbacks to eight or tall guys. And the small guys that worked like Fran Tarkenton Russell Wilson or runaround guys and he's neither is not big. So he may have trouble seeing over lines and he's not a wiggle guy that gets outside of the pocket much I. Think he has to play like drew brees to work, and that's a tiny window to have to be one guy ever I could see it not working I could well, what do you expect? Well, here's my biggest concern is if this truly the plan where he was going to come in after the bye and that would give enough time to the offense and and run the offense and recover the best way possible and that was the plan that I'm all for it. If this is a function of maybe ownership saying we see all these other rookie quarterback's doing really well, I want my guy to play. Then, I'm not as excited about that and I don't know where it is. The the level of surprises fitzpatrick had when he got benched makes me think that this wasn't the plan all along haven't come in after the bye. So I struggle with that if if they really feel he's ready that I'm all for it and you're going to have to deal with a significant amount of mistakes that come with a rookie I. my bigger concern con is that this is being forced a little bit quicker than than maybe the head coach wanted to be. that adds intrigue to ten is very interesting. Let me back on that a little bit that is interesting. Why wouldn't Ryan Fitzpatrick have known this was the plan all along. They've been very honest and open with the fact that he's a placeholder. The other young guys are suddenly doing really well. He's GonNa. Start. Plan all along. I'm all for if he's forced in. Not Too excited about it. That's all right. I just I never thought about that. I like new information. Eric Mangini and Ohio. Elections Tuesday. Go out and vote Eric Mangini sitting in those polls. I hope you voted already con the early voting on California. To know which way are states leaning? I don't know which way our. Coach. 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Now, all we have center of the Sports Universe. and La Sports fans have been celebrating a lot. There's Some fireworks people in the latest have fireworks. It's funny I thought about the same thing isn't that strange I don't have fireworks in my house I've never. Felt the. Fireworks. Have them on deck jared. Goff hopes that the rams can continue the city's title run in the Super Bowl this season. I. Start turning is. something. That's really exciting to the city right now it'd be it'd be good to make. With US involved there. Is Often. Don't think they can beat Tampa but I do think they could win against any other NFC team they could I'm not saying they would they just I don't think that our offense matches up with Tampa's defense but outside of that joy I think they can beat anybody in the NFC. Everyone wrote the rams off after that Super Bowl which I thought was unfair. Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and it was a incredibly boring super bowl. But nonetheless, it was a loss and in the McCain down to the better team better. Coaching. But. Then you know they kind of had a down year and Sean mcvay wasn't as much of a genius as everyone thought he was and dolphins and as. Sean mcvay made him and now they're kind of back level into that space where no Sean mcvay is still good coach that wasn't a fluke that they were there and their competitive again there you're suppo superbowl. They have the eighth best odds to win the super bowl according to fight. About I have usually my poll eight or nine. That's exactly where they should be and look to the playoffs that comes down to moments and who's healthy and I like him better than the saints because I think they have a deep ball component the saints don't don't think the saints defense is playing well, I would put them above the saints other than that I. Think they're right where They should be I think that I. I would also say that right now I'd have about the saints, but honestly I think any of the teams Nina and in the NFC it just it's it's one game. That's how the playoffs work. So I think they're definitely a super bowl contender right now I just I want to see how the rest of the season goes. That would be something. If they also won the Super Bowl. Cam Newton has been playing his best lately but Sean McDermott is not overlooking Cam ahead of the bills match up with the Patriots on Sunday. He's a good player. Allowed respect for him for cities the. Former MVP of belief for a reason. So they know full well where his State. Of the bigger stories with Hell Heaven of Buffalo. On. This is a sneaky big game. Oh, I think for Cam Cam, I, think it's one cams. Biggest Games I'm not joking he has to put. Last week was was the biggest game for the Patriots and camps. He need to put good stuff on film McDermott was the panthers off a defensive coordinator with Cam from two thousand eleven two, thousand, sixteen. So he knows him well, also some more info on situation with the Patriots Jillian Etem reportedly underwent a precautionary standard knee procedure. This morning is expected to sideline him for some period of time Oh boy looting this week's game. Okay. So now now we know what's going against the bills and the Keel Harry almost missed practice and could be out. With a concussion. The the line is bills by four. Talks. Take off. By, more than four. That's rough. That's not blowout game, right? That's right. This weekend has like that's a very important game. Gift steelers raise Ravens. Two premiers was the dolphins against the Rams Raiders Browns as you mentioned, forty nine or seahawks cowboys eagles. which could end up determining that division? Well, the key is the trading headlines Tuesday for some teams that lose this weekend it's going to be self. That's right. So this is we could know by next weekend all these good teams could have one additional element. So I mean this is really the have have not period they moved the trading deadline back now. Eight. By next weekend we have some bad teams are worse. It's good. Teams are better a very crucial weekend. Finally, the rockets have reportedly hired Stephen. Silas. To be their new head coach, he agreed to a four year old four deal with. This is his first head coaching job in the NBA. He was an assistant in the league. For two decades mostly with the Mavericks he's He's the son of former NBA player and coach Paul Silas Became v Father Son combination to be NBA head coaches graduated from Brown University, and he has a lot of coaching experience with elite guard away Luca Steph Curry Walker Paul Silas. The most unique player in NBA history because I grew up with Paul Silas because he was on the Sonics. Paul Silas in his day, one of the best rebounders in the NBA could not jump. and was not seven feet tall. Paul Silas was like six seven could not jump and he's one of the great rebounders ever. That's never been said in the history of basketball that'd be like saying guys one of the greatest of all time and couldn't dribble Paul Silas had no vertical and was one of the greatest rebounders league history, and if you go back to the sonic teams. He was just a backed up think Lonnie Shelton going Raymond here Weirdo. Paul Silas was the guy I grew up with he was just a class guy grinder rebounders defender and his he had a big enough but he was always in the right place to grab a rebound. We haven't really covered a lot of MBA news obviously in the middle of the NFL see rile but also there amaury is finalizing able to become the senator sixers new president of basketball operations. So I wonder if he'll have lunch with me anymore since I was critical of the rockets, I think he will young Kennedy. Bill. Maybe Nice Jerrell actually told me back months. All right good stuff over the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. Longer dodgers coming up we only talk to people if you've won championships in the last couple of weeks otherwise, we just no reason to talk to anybody about winners Walker Bugler the ace of the dodgers it we all talked about the Clayton Kershaw story. He is the next. Clayton Kershaw of the dodgers he stops by now be sure to catch live editions of the heard Weekdays at noon eastern not am Pacific on Fox sports radio address one and the iheartradio APP. 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He's now been a dodger for several years. But now the nation's finally catching up to him, he is had minimum five stars the highest strikeout ratio in the history of playoff baseball that counts like Babe Ruth and stuff. He can throw really hard. He is one of the Great. You're dodgers in that twenty, five, twenty, six, twenty, seven, year, old range. He was also great at Vanderbilt for years ago on Championship there I remember watching that on TV and Walker Miller of the world champion dodgers now joining us live. The All star. So it's interesting I'm they always talk about analytics and I like analytics but I always say I also like Manna lyrics which is. In, big POSTSEASON Games I'm. Not GonNA walk up to Blake Snell or Walker beauty and say, yeah my data book says I've got to get rid of you were you even a little surprised because Blake everybody knows blake is just a monster throws filthy stuff were you surprised Tampa took him out I think there's probably a little bit of a surprise. You know the guy was was rolling pretty good and and our offense was was having kind of a tough time with him there for a while. You know it is what it is it. They thought that was a message for their team and that's fine and. Whoever they brought in after that we we got lucky and skirts around and won the game. So obviously he's a fun guy to watch but but we aren't too upset that he. By the way Walker if you were rolling and the sixth inning Dave Roberts came up and you gave up a double. And he said young man you gotta go have you ever pushed back at least said? No, no, no I feel good. It was. The hands. If you ever argued with a manager who comes up and says, take you out. I for sure. Have I think maybe to a fault a little bit at times but you know I think we're all competitive and you probably wouldn't be there without that. So. Now you WANNA say in every game and throw as long as you can but the end of the day. The organization usually is your best interests in mind and and the best interest of the team. But you definitely can get a little little anger when they when they try and take them all for me. You guys have been a really good team for year seven straight division titles. I think. But McKee Bents, it wasn't like you couldn't get to a world series without him. It's not like you couldn't win a division without him but when when they brought mookie over when was the first game or two that you saw mookie bats and went. Okay this is like he's he is. He is juice I mean when did it really pop for you that while we just add something we don't have. Yeah you know. He's. He's a guy who had some familiarity with plan plan Boston in the world series a couple of years ago and It's just a special baseball player I think the biggest thing for us. The first thing I can kind of remember it was played narrow zone early in the year and there was a ball in the corner like the wanting to sit on there and he caught it through the guy that like, oh, like this is this is kind of different you know. We've We had cody make his MVP RON and made a lot of places like that last year. So to watch those two guys now you know last year was county and this year was movie that was doing stuff every day that. We just didn't comprehend at the time, but we're glad to have on our side. Listen. When you were coming up in the dodgers organization you I'm sure watched Clayton Kershaw who is really this generation Sandy Colfax and just a classy guy kind of a team leader. When they won the other night and you watch Clayton Kershaw and he pointed to the Sky I mean we were on the set here. It's emotional. I mean, what was there a sense for you walker that you're not just pitching for the dodgers you are pitching for Clayton the the the organization felt like we we we got a win. This thing we've got one of the great players in league history. Do you sense that at all? I think the biggest thing is obviously whatever's been written in set up in the playoffs Kerr. She's been unbelievable in this game for a long time so. I think it's hard to sit there and watch a guy put in the time and effort like like we all know he does and then people say things like that about him all the time and. He was unbelievable for us has been for a long time, but especially in this playoffs. So you know we're definitely thrilled that that he was a huge part of this into Canada done for him you can see it there. But it was it was a really cool deal, for us. When you? It's so interesting to watch. All you. Professional athletes. And you're playing in. No fans and it thanks to Mike Oh my God, the dodgers finally went and the dodger fans aren't there was it is it easier to pitch because fans no distraction. You didn't have to travel every third night get on a plane I could make an argument if I'm a Pitcher I. Love the idea of waking up in the same city every night and not having to travel. Were there any advantages to playing at the same place? Yet you know I think we were pretty fortunate to to start in Dallas and stay there the whole time i. think we did a good job of making that kind of our own for a little while and that's all well and good. But at the same time, you know we didn't have we had eleven thousand fans during the playoffs. So that was the biggest game of the year is the first time you saw a fan in the stands which was kind of different but you know was nice I think you could feel kind of a little bit more energy and things like that. We hadn't had all year so. We enjoy that new ballpark but we're glad that can be done there and bring a trophy. Hong and start playing at our place again, it's a very young baseball team. There's no reason team can't win for seven years. But. When you win Championships Walker Bueller joining us, it's very common that you know you win a championship. You don't quite have that push that drive. How did the dodgers maintain the edge? Now, that you've won the ring now you are champs. Now where you go in town, everybody knows who Walker Bueller and cory seager. Yeah. Is that a little bit of a challenge? You know I think normally A. Thing, obviously you go through a season and then you play longer than anyone. So you're offseason in shorter than everyone else except for one other team, right but you know, I think for us doing it in in a season like we did where it sixty games I. Don't think was quite as as taxing as as maybe on sixty two games would be obviously this playoff stuff is is about as tough as it gets regardless having a Games you play just mentally more than anything but. I think all of us want to keep winning and we wanna keep doing well so. You know I'm not too worried about it. Also, I think the thing that people don't talk about it. There's a lot of guys that are with us that. Weren't on a roster that that are gonNA make an impact for us next year that that WANNA be. In it in it in a different way. So. You know I think everybody's GonNa take take a little while and kind of take a breather. But then get back out he listened to this is a tough question for you but Justin. Turner is a great player. Everybody loves us. He kinda defines the whole dodger thing. You find out cove he comes on the field. There's not a mass people freak out. People are angry at him. Is there any clarity here are dodger players upset with a word that stand today? No I think honestly missed. US. Kind of about my pay grade. We're just out there to win but you know we saw him come up the fealty county here what happens and he's been such a big part of our culture and our team for so long I think it's hard to. To say you know you can't come out on the field and take a picture with the trophy with his wife and his teammates and things like that. So you know I know he's he's symphorien feeling good and and I think that's the biggest Muslim thing and you know we're all off through the country kind of dealing with this thing and it just so happens that it happened us during game six world series but. held up trophy and we'll deal with us after that by the way like a pitcher. When you throw the innings you do this is kind of a Dorky Sports Guy Question. Do you not pick a baseball for two months like? How much your your arm when you go for a long run in the postseason I, know it was a shorter season but will you just pick up a baseball for five weeks? Timothy will take about a month off I. Think this year. I'll probably take a little bit less just because I'm traditionally kind of a slow starter. So kinda give myself a little more time but yeah, I think most guys. It's two weeks to a month and kind of abused that month in the past but no price shorten it up a little bit this year not be happier for you an amazing organization they build it the right way folks it's farm system they're patient they develop their stars they dabble in free agency, but it's built the right way locker. You'RE GONNA have already an amazing career. congrats happy for you and. Go get another ring. Thanks man. Thanks. Yeah Walker Bueller, the world. Series. Champ four, seasons in Major League Baseball now in all star and he is. I join our talking about Sierra. The dodgers. Farm system. is so good virtually everybody they bring up not only as good. They're good immediately. So they have spent a lot of like most of these big market teams you can go buy players. It's like Kansas City Pittsburgh Oakland. They need farm system. The dodgers actually have a great farm system and then they just occasionally supplemented, which is really the right way to do it with the occasional mookie betts but they they could have Machado long-term Bryce Harper they passed on a law that they're like, nope, they paid kershaw. which you had to because when they'd wrote that contract, he was unbelievable and they pay for Mulkey batch who might trout if he's on the market, then you would just go get him like Mochi and Mike Trout you just that's all the ten year contracts that if you're in a big city and can afford it then you just go get them. That's why it's it feels like a really special world series on top of everything that they had to go through this year, the dodgers really had to endure. A lot to get to this world series. So it's really special. Good stuff. 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Baker's emotional approach, Vontaze Burfict's suspension, Goff + Brady's struggles, Cam's self-sabotage

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Baker's emotional approach, Vontaze Burfict's suspension, Goff + Brady's struggles, Cam's self-sabotage

"Hey Yeah Jimmy here. When you speak for yourself. You're forced to think for yourself and when you think for yourself. The sports world looks in order to enjoy this podcast and this show you need to have the courage to look at the world from alternative points of view and not be offended when you disagree speak for yourself. Isn't your twitter facebook instagram feed. SF Y tells you what you need to hear and not what you want so welcome aboard buckle love and enjoy the ride we start today in Baltimore are yesterday watching the browns dismantle the ravens. I had an epiphany regarding Baker Mayfield the quarterback. I've dubbed Little smokey. He's actually doctor Bruce Banner. The scientists accidentally exposed to near deadly amounts of gamma rays like when Dr Banners made angry. He turns into the incredible hulk last week former. NFL coach Rick Ryan Angered Baker Mayfield Ryan called the Cleveland quarterback way the overrated Mayfield fired back Mr Ryan. Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. You don't wear orange and Brown you don't matter Rex Ryan and didn't have any reason okay all right. Yesterday may feel played his best game of the season. He threw for three hundred forty three yards. The happy feet that caused him to abandon ended the pocket earlier in the season disappeared. Mayfield led the Browns to a forty twenty five victory over Baltimore the team everyone thought was the class of the AFC north. Is it a coincidence incidents at Baker and the browns played their best football after Ryan angered Mayfield. actually not rex. Ryan does not get any credit for this week's when no all right. I think we had to give some credit here. We have to give Antonio Brown some credit to Baker. ABC sparred over twitter Saturday morning. Mayfield rejected a fans assertion analogize analogize in him to Brown A. B. Responded by tweeting that Mayfield should have never been drafted ahead of Lamar Jackson Bow. What Mayfield in the BROWNS ARE GONNA have to ask themselves is whether all of this public feuding is sustainable as motivation for a franchise quarterback. It brought out the best in May feel this weekend but what about next Sunday into Sunday after that anger is a dangerous emotion especially for decision makers Mayfield as playing the position in sports that requires the most decisions in the college game the quarterback right now looks to the sidelines before virtually every snap coaches control that game in the NFL. There's a heavier burden on the highly compensated players bigger needs to find a superior motivation than anger and disrespect. They won't carry him over the long haul in fact they'll betray him in critical moments. Hell the incredible Hulk Nude. Oh this doctor Bruce Banner spent all of his life wandering the United States looking for a cure to reverse the damage gamma rays did to his mind and body he didn't WanNa be the incredible hulk maker has to find a cure a substitute for bickering with immediate. There are a handful of all time great competitors who channel Anger and disrespecting the positive motivation throughout their careers. The Tom Brady's and Michael Jordan are the exceptions generally speaking feuding with everybody doesn't work trust me. I know my joining the death now or Fox sports. NFL analyst Tony Gonzalez Lavar Arrington Marcellus Australia's you sir is Baker's emotional approach sustainable ah yes it is sustainable. It's not optimal but it's sustainable you gotta remember the NFL. Hey Man Sixty minutes Dr David Banner. I used to take up most of the damn show on your way to need our okay do it like that and NFL understand that the collegiate level you will have greater results because you're going warn against lesser talent collectively you get to NFL level that levels off and what happens then is what are you made of mentally and right now border by a hall of Famer who can talk about going to that next level just to have consistent excellence to have greatness you gotta deal a little more than wait to get triggered not get that proverbial ten percent that people speak of so. Baker Mayfield is hard for him to self reflect right now who's going to argue with his results of walk. Don't don't twice a one heisman number. One overall pick in my team is now in first place. This is the moment that I need to figure out incredible hope from David Banner. I don't think this is the moment especially based on where his team is right now. Well I'll jump on. I say what was the name of the show that Dr Banner was on. What was the name incredible aw okay. Mr Banner is not the superstar of the show. The Hulk is Lou rig and that was that was sustainable sustainable all the way till now with the avengers because they still use the whole time the other movies right of course sustainable in the reality of it is any any high achieving high competition wire competitor is going to have to find the emotions that get them up for what it is that that they're going to do. I've never seen anybody go out there and compete at an optimal level where their emotions did not have some type of Dr connected to what I was going to be. I I can recall for me. Middle Linebacker that specify but you still have to have cerebral approach to what it is that you're doing and and but for you to be able to get yourself pumped up day in and day out to be able to compete. I used to create conflict with the other team little on back. That's and that's fair. That's fair but it could be hall of fame. It could be pro bowl. It could be all pro. You're going to connect something to an emotional aw an emotional. Let's say energy a piece of energy in yourself to tap into to try to get through that that workout through that practice through game game so I think it has to be emotions attached to what it is if you're going to achieve out of high level. I think there's no other way to do it for an unconcerned. There's no other way to do it. Everybody I've ever talked to every book I've ever read on this subject of excellence. You have to work yourself up into that frenzy but then control it would Michael Jordan and Tom. Brady like you said in the essay but but that's what I before games especially when things got gone. I remember before Football Games. I wasn't getting nervous. Anymore wasn't getting scared. I was going out there. I wasn't enjoying myself and it's like at the peak of my career. So what I I started doing. It started writing a little letter to myself talking about making make stuff up in my head like today. They're thinking your own at the end of my career. They don't think you have what it takes anymore. They're starting to think you're slow. You've played this game with your mind. You have to and it takes you there. Where the hell was it before though with Baker. Why does it take someone like Rex Ryan. Stay there. We just saw what you can do now. When you're in that frenzy always looked at the hole then I say. Why did he just data whole any control yourself. Go around and that's when that's when you see the best of you that's when you become the hero. Baker Mayfield could channel that daily figure out how to do that and maybe you don't make stuff up in your head whatever it is. I do whatever you gotTa do to get to that place where you play does it all have to play out publicly. Though no I don't think so I don't think so you know the thing about and why he couldn't stay to hope it's because he wasn't the hulk and that's the thing about having that smoke around you and being triggered externally when you run against competition that is internally motivated then all of a sudden they can run through your external motivation because it's not mapped onto your reality. We could psych ourselves out. All we want and then why you can't control that fully is because it's not your essence who you really are so play. Ray Lewis made me realize that forget physical physical talents between the ears. He has something that I've never seen before because it came from him. I don't know what his recipe for that fuel which was what we saw every single Sunday but it was next level. Baker doesn't play that position so when that position you have to teeter between going to a special place but realizing realizing urine control of others decision making so I just don't see it as something that's optimal yeah you can go there here and there but we all know the difference between Lavar Dr Tony Tony is consistent excellence control in don't get the Eh very short time differs if Baker Mayfield wants to be more and live up to that number one validation. It's going out to stay up there. Not just get up up there but the reality of that is is you're talking about s Sunday afternoon right so when you talk about David Banner verses the credible hope. Why couldn't you beat a hulk first first of all it wasn't a bad due to begin with going was doing good. He would break stuff but the reality of it is. Is that that energy the energy that you're you're driving off of like. I always like an it to nitrous in a car right. When you get it at rates and you hit that nitrous you better be ready to handled ca-car when you hit it because you gotta ride it out until it's done and most most times you'll see a football player. They have to ride it out until that emotional emotional. That's why I was such an emotional such an emotional drop off when a game is over. That's why you see so many guys deal with emotional drop offs when they don't play anymore and the reality that that we're we're talking about right now is Baker Mayfield can take that mentality of turning into the Hulk on Sunday because he doesn't you have to be that doesn't have to be the essence of who he is. I'm not beating up people every day off the field right. I do it on the field but what I was required to do on the fill is much different than me as a person on water. There's one quote I'm GonNa. Give you real quick Jordan. I read his books and stuff. He said you can't turn it on and off like a faucet and that's what that's what the great ones do. When I go to bed at night I was thinking about catching football and I woke up I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about how I'm going to get better and I'm GonNa Crush my opponent this weekend. Bakeries get to that point and everybody who played football needs to get at that point because that's the only way if you WANNA be up here all right did the browns prove yesterday that there the class of the AFC north. It's really a two horse race at this Point Point Number Baltimore. Did they prove their superior to the Ray. Oh No not at all what they show me is that now we have two dogs in this fight and before it was the ravens coming out there the first few weeks we were like even though they lost to Kansas City you still saying that's the class of it now so dogfight just simple as that the other two teams you know respect to them but I don't see anything coming out. Assistant strong class of the the north is stroked by fifteen or they are they are they in the the seat now are they in in pole position right now yes and by winning against other team. That's competitive in the division but classes too strong but I think I think right now. If you're looking at who may have the path to getting the the north coming out of north I would say Cleveland Cleveland a lot. I think they proved a lot to me yesterday because I thought the Baltimore Ravens we're GONNA win. This game bully win it well because what happened to him last week. You thought they would have something inside them. They're gonNA come out there and compete but this is the team. I thought the Cleveland browns could be all year. I was like man a beggar can pick up where you left off last year with all those stars they got on defense offense they can go out there and run through some people they could make the playoffs and maybe you make a serious run who knows AFC championship type team but it ain't show that I but yesterday if they can sustain that and specifically old Mister Mayfield then yeah I think for sure I think talent wise they're better than the Ravens i. I think they showed yesterday. They can be just as physical as the Ravens Nick Chub and the running game guy going and they were dominant. The thing I worry about is the emotional stability of this team of Odell Beckham. Jr wasn't a big part of the office yesterday. That's GONNA be interesting. How that plays out noon Freddie Kitchens. I'm still got some concerns about how Baker obviously as we're talking still concerned about and that of their Baltimore side of the fence with John Harbaugh a lot of experience there. I do think they they have a set identity in Baltimore. That will be a bit more consistent. I'm not sure Cleveland showed me talent wise year. Those receivers tied tidying. Baker may feel nature myles Garrett on the outside Russia passer but I'm not sure mentally if they can compete with Baltimore and a week to week basis. We've all been there when you've had that hollow smile after a game where you like smiling for the cameras at the podium even when you go out that knife wings beers and other things you smell it and saw you like this isn't reliable. What we just did is not something we can apply consistently and I'm looking at what Nick Chubb we did and we talked about one hundred six rush arts okay great. Are we expecting that. All the time probably not certainly not three touchdowns. Cleveland browns haven't seen that nine plus years three touchdowns so now if you're Baker Mayfield you don't want pick you have one touchdown three unimpressed yards. Is that reliable. Dale's not involve like when you start start to do this and you have to Mitch match the Tetris of it all. They're not fully confident in the way that they went out there and beat the Baltimore Ravens and nasty issue right here. I don't think that they're stinking that this is the way we could do. We beat the best team in our division but how we beat them. I don't know if we can go back to that will I. Let's move to the quarterback order back. Baker Mayfield faced off against yesterday Lamar Jackson after three weeks of media love over his improved passing game. Lamar couldn't get much of anything going yesterday and when you look at the stats Lamar has something of a split personality putting on a show when the team wind put struggling in losses with a drop off of more than sixty points in his passer rating the Ravens have now lost two straight concerned about Lamar after these back to back losses not at all one regression to the mean I mean the guy was eight and two as a starter in a regular season. Did we really expect that fully but it's amazing how your reputation precedes you in a good way and in a bad way so when you see the Baltimore walkable ravens play. We always discount what they do offensively because we expect the defense to be amazing. Let's look at this. Ravens defense the last couple of weeks. They played Kansas City last. We we're good at what is going on in Baltimore. The Ghost of the player of Ray Lewis Nieces show up on the field. Look at that five hundred sixteen a yards in the last couple of weeks so if you start to look at this this is the first time in the Ravens Twenty four year existence they've allow over five hundred yards and back to back games that has gotten lost in the narrative of what Lamar Jackson is up to you know what he's up to trying to bail his damn defense out out right now so it's a completely different acted who my tech like I did. I Cook Book Nicer Books Lamar Jackson not to define Jiaxing yesterday in two weeks in a row yes last week against Kansas City. He was long long the ball and couldn't complete anything yesterday. They didn't even really try and their their offense is kinda bottled up right now. He's not able to get his wide receivers. Consistently they involve. They're not stretching out the defense. I mean yeah. They're not stretching out the safety than the defense which is hurting them in the running game. I'm a little bit concern. GotTa be concerned and and I understand the defense of aspect of it. I think it plays out very well but the reality here is we mentioned narrative of Lamar Jackson right in the narrative. What's been the narrative. What are we talking about every single time we talk about. Lamar dragging your quarterback. Andy Play quarterback and what's the what's the reasoning. Is he a throwing quarterback quarterback. Is he a running quarterback. I sit on the show last week. I did not like the fact that every single time this young man does an interview it has to be based upon running versus throwing. No one else is sitting there worrying about those Nice Distraction Techniques Today distraction technique because the reality of what's taking place in media had nothing to do with they are trying to figure out how to play Lamar Jackson where he can be happy and comfortable and confident about who he is quarterback the coaching staff. That's surrounding him. They're trying to figure out how they can find that comfortable level of what his achievement achievement is going to be and what that's going to be rooted in based. What are the wide receivers thinking. Can I just figured out how good that they struggled in the running game a little bit yesterday and so when you take away a running game of a young quarterback that's a big deal and it affects those guys look at Dak yesterday and he couldn't get going it kind of affects their basket for those younger guys and I think he's still in that category. I think he's still played pretty well. I still think I'm not panicking yet but when you take away let's analyze analyze what is his best throw to probably deep ball right. You Can Tho the Hell No. He don't pretty good depot. No at least he's show that I go to Kansas City. He missed about five of 'em along and they didn't try anything this week. You know what hurt their running game. You don't have to defend wide receivers and he has trouble thrown at the intermittent underneath routes those ten yard art out those five yard choice rats all that stuff he's he's that was his question coming into the season was how accurate is the more. Ron John Become Front become. Rg for rg for how long that lasts the mark. You can throw the ball when you need. Don't let these people convince you. Anything look man. They beat up some bad teams early. That's fair now. They've played too good tee off aw he's deflected. I'm not deflected. I'm is there reason to be concerned. Yes no no reason to panic but there's reason okay Mr Concern. Don't come into my room. I I'm Lamar Jackson. Go to that defense. I go to their running game SEC. I agree it goes to the office and they gave him four sacks. We're doing winning television in show. I'm telling you name none of these defensive players. We're talking about Lamar Jackson. Are we concerned about Lamar. We tomorrow we can do it. We concerned about their defense. We're on that tomorrow. We'll do. We concerned about Earl Thomas but right. Now we're we're. We're we're not concerned a home about Lamar because the defense they plan where they gave us the most sexiest giving up this entire season. He wasn't running game. He was running. It would help the running on time. It was held that he might need to run more guys. This is Jason Whitlock. Speak for yourself. Are you ready for what's ahead can't always predict the future but you can game plan for generations of families and business have harnessed the power of Pacific to help them reach the unique goals. Whether you need to save enough money to meet your needs insure. Your family is protected or make sure you don't run out of money. Pacific life has a variety of financial solutions since that can help civic life counts more than half of the one hundred largest. US companies as its clients and has been named one of the two thousand eighteen world's most ethical. Oh companies by the ethics fear institute protecting what matters most people for one hundred fifty years in county. That's the Power Pacific Asa financial professional about how Pacific Life can help you game plan for the future or visit Pacific like Dot Com. Tony Gonzales in Var ERRINGTON are back time now for a big story. Let's move to Indianapolis. We're vont is perfect was up to his old tricks yesterday getting from the raiders win over the coals for a dirty already hit on tight end Jack Doyle for blew kisses to the fans on his way out but he also just kissed the whole season goodbye with the NFL suspending the controversial linebacker actor for the rest of the year explaining the perfect history of rules violations was a factor in the decision question here is should Baez Bursik pick be allowed to play in the NFL again at all. Oh yeah absolutely this is just the next step in terms of penalty and severity of pounding when you you talk about this so season long who five million dollars basically just burned up again on top of the four point. Two million dollars in fines and loss is game checks. He's already accrued over his career this so yeah he deserves another chance you know part of the opportunity that it comes from penalty is the redemption so you gotta give them that fell. XFL No no no not yet twenty nine NFL why I look this takes us back. Let's not get too political denying these strikes law remember that you how does that look in history. Now I get it yes. There's the league common called the XFL for X. NFL players early in the morning I was it's like I watched a highlight video of his collection of hits and then I thought they had problems with this dude at Arizona state over dirty hit yeah. XFL Noman Trust your gut. Your intuition is six million times faster than cognitive dot and you know what that means. Whatever you felt I is what you should have went with those star watching it over and over again and talking yourself into a different mindset. XFL I'm wit coming back next year. People are resting in the hall of fame that made their careers off of hitting the way Vantera perfect hits so the reality and that's truth. That's not up for debate. You can you know the NFL chains changes in it evolves but the reality of it is is that now we're looking at what what we talked about and discussed before with this crisis is the is there officials crisis this is there a player safety crisis and this is yes screams yes because the reality of it is. Is that a targeting hit yes but make me play. Agai- they can agree just enough to say he shouldn't play again. I don't I disagree with that. He should be able to play a game salute after he spent a year to the XFL proving. He knows how to play football the ball. I say bringing back the been fined for for July updates a lot. We have a number on that because I know it's a lot because this isn't the first time we've talked about these issues shoes in Arizona State. He's had a history of this throughout his career and being an offensive player. Obviously has a team. I see why you signed A. I think how what does it take. I have kids and so I can tell my child to keep they keep doing the same thing over and over and over again but they're learning by the time they get older. I would expect for them to stop doing this Bontes burfoot. He has not learned. I'm saying look you're going to jeopardize people. You hidden man in the top of his head. Who Miss Could Win got even worse. Maybe cracks his neck naked. Guy Can't play anymore. You're not learning then. You're blowing kisses on top of it after you've been through all that much trouble. I say I hate to say this but obviously you need a little break. Take not more than just this year. You're not learning told me thirteen suspense. That's it. That's it that's thirteen. You've got to me got taken away. His the thirteenth strikes law. I always I'm always I've always been a perfect apologised. I love the way he plays I love his passion. If you know the guys he's an awesome young man. I just just I get it and I totally agree with where you're coming from. What you're saying Oh when I said it wasn't I just think I just think that it is truly rooted and the players safety crisis that the NFL we know that deal with what's not in it for him. this is what makes them and this was going to break. Kim Is the fact that he knows he has limited physical skills. So what he's always done is make up for that the curse of the gifted in a sense of he knows he's not so gifted so he's going to go out there and try me knows exactly knows what how physical here's smash everything about this from launching lean to the duck head am basically trying to spear somebody. They've been trying to tell this do for six years. Cut that out. God is not allow. He refuses to accept that and whatever it's rooted in. They got rules that up to prevent it. He won't follow follow him. I get it I've talked to people that swear by volunteers perfect off the field and on the field he was a captain this year. No I get it but people wearing off all to fear those of us did watch him on the feels like hey man and I'm defended him in the past but this is a bridge too far. Let me ask you this. Why didn't the NFL suspended for life. That's an option. Why not probably be because they plan on him? Perhaps returning to the NFL fail but I'm the question where I wouldn't do you wouldn't do. I wouldn't let this do go playing Vince McMahon's Lee and show me some proof before I ever allowed you back back in the NFL because I'm GonNa tell you this man. I'm GonNa tell you this what the NFL has to be worried about. Let's say let him back in and he does paralyzed by the next time they're going to be involved in the lawsuit that comes to that's true. You seen this guy thirteen times. You've seen Antonio Brown. All kinds ads guys and you kept let me back in the league the lease hands maybe tied this this remained the suspension made this be the first step the bigger the bigger or conversation is you have to do this and you have to set the standard in the bar so nobody else decides to slip back. That's why he needs to go with that. But now you agree when I once told me said I totally understand y'all's back to speak for yourself presented by Sunday with locking Wiley Tony Gonzalez Lavar Arrington. Let's move to New Orleans. Saints didn't score a touchdown but still found a way to hand the cowboys their first loss of the season last last night. The game was a defensive struggle from start to finish in New Orleans completely shutdown DAK Prescott Ezekiel Elliott and one of the League's most explosive offenses the cowboys always couldn't do anything running or passing the ball and weren't able to approach any of the numbers they had been putting up the first two weeks of the season against lesser competition. The question here is did the cowboys exposed last night. No not at all and four disclosed. We got our show respect to Brandon Boykin who was here. I know wow aw he nailed this yeah. The millennial WHO's not a millennial millennia was well. He nailed this. One didn't see this but if I'm the cowboys actually walk off the field with a little confidence more than certainly people were expecting them to because one running game didn't get on track to your defense went out there and shutdown that office yes. I know there's no drew. brees was still pretty much. Shut down at office. You give up twelve points not touchdowns last time you seen that happen with Sean Payton so that's something that you got to feel confident about now. What happened with Dak Prescott is obviously something of concern because it maps onto what your anxiety Heidi is about debt prescott but because they didn't get on track with the running game it didn't support Dak Prescott therefore their offense than and show their way. I'm not I'm not concerned. I don't think they got exposed. I will say they did. I think they dig it exposed. I think it's exposure because because the reality of it is looking at Zeke. Can we slow that down can we can we slow down. Enzi two guys that are are athletic in the Backfield bill can we can we slow down the passing attack. Dak has looked relatively unstoppable since since the beginning of the season I think it's it's exposed in the sense that where they were lending or leading up to almost looking like an invincible team you know coming into the game the way that they positioned the the narrative of the game in the limelight lyell and all those guys standing there with coach. Garret this this invincible star Dr of a team and this is the year and then they go out there and they lose in the fashion in which they did now it was not a drumming but to lose nat manner and that FAG. I beat up. I think that that is exposed. Expose it explodes naked underneath. Say All all negative. They still had closed on chest test here was not. I don't know about that but ah these are two good teams playoff team and I know drew. BREES wasn't there but Teddy Bridgewater is a former pro bowl. Good quarterback is paid court. Sexton quarterback in the league and playing in that Dome is tough play Atlanta Falcons for five years is hard to go in there and when they couldn't hear anything to communication off. I'm not going to say they're exposed. I still think there are playoff football. Not The running game needs to step up because I don't understand how you only get thirty five yards but that offensive line and with the guy like Zeke back there and like we talked about before the Mark Jackson you take away way that running game of a young quarterback still young the lanes in the passing game aren't going to be there and then he they struggled last night if anything this is a learning game. I still think they're gonNA Bounce House back. They're going to be OK p the same don't lose at home even when we went to the playoffs thirteen and three went to NFC championship game. We have one of those three games. We lost we lost. It didn't make the playoffs that year. Zan's are a good team at home and that's why I don't think they got exposed because of the learning experience remember. This is a new offense and there's been looking amazing and in Keller more net system however we're about that time when you get that full film psycho was week four three games on film of a new office and now we're able to have a different strategy and philosophy in how to stop it so what is playoff football about plan B because plan A. We're trying to take that away from you. So if if you look at this situation this is the first time we saw the cowboys have to play in Plan B. and Plan B. Obviously didn't go as advertising s desire but that's how you you start to learn to build and round this happens relatively frequently whenever the cowboys and the saints play over the last ten years someone does get exposed woes is not on the field is on the sidelines Sean. Payton is a far better coast and Jason Gear. The cowboys went into New Orleans. Everybody knows that dome is Damn. Near impossible to play and the cowboys looked shook they look like an inexperienced team and that goes on and I've been on Deck Prescott Bandwagon. I'm GONNA remain on got his money but he looks shook last night from word go once it became apparent like Oh. There's going to be nosy. I didn't like the way DAX feet looked in the pocket. I he was in. He was far more inaccurate than he had been at all season. Look at again. This goes back to when you start talking about. I'M GONNA pay a quarterback thirty. Five forty million dollars a year that quarterback is supposed to be a solution for you when playing away and playing a Z and so when they had to get the plan B that didn't have any answers transform I I felt like crowd noise and that emotion within that building played a role in that but also just think there's such a disadvantage on the sidelines headlines that the cowboys have no if they have to go to New Orleans in the postseason. They lose by more than two by two. Oh you say all that and they lost breeze out there. Ready Brands watered who if this game is something that they can win who did this. It wasn't office. It was the defense defense held the cowboys and drew brees be around and compulsive respect for that but then jubilees was around last year and that situation when they played the cowboys cowboys look good against the New Orleans Saints Game so I think that right now they didn't get exposed. This is something that you have to address but I think it comes down to the level of what the terminology of exposed is because what she said to me is exposed if you if you can't get it done with what plan plan has been working for you it planet has been been working for you and you get into a game plan isn't working and then you get to plan B. and plan B. Doesn't work. You don't win the game. You've exposed that plant a we can we can win against plan and if you go into plan B we still won the game so that exposes that you're beatable they'd beat so teddy bridgewater Bam and again. I know they've training training with ZIP jars exposed. What do you think that's going to happen. All the time is that is alive. No tyrod hurt last the guy he's GonNa be out probably a little bit and they're all offensive line and this is an attribute to it's a condition of the crowd noise choice that offensive line can't communicate as well with all that crowd noise. quarterback can't communicate as well. They need they tuft. They have to go to Seattle in the postseason. I would be very concerned about the cowboys they need home field advantage and just like Brandon Boykin said after you know he he predicted Eagles Eagles. Still GonNa win the division and we kinda laughed at him but hell no two and two or three and one eagles to and to no one in his see we should be shook no-one. INNOC- feel like they can expose someone or they've been exposed. This is wide open in terms of a conference about who's the front runner right now in the NFC thank you but it's only undefeated to San Francisco and you're right but you would have thought it would have been Dallas for the simple fact a what that offense Alana not running game presented and and if they if they win this game the way they're supposed to is more of a persona other recall plan against will we'll shells and Willie Roaf and let me I tell you something. If you don't think for two seconds going into the game you like there's Willie role and there's will shields if I'm going into the game and I'm like Oh. We stopped priest Holmes. Let me have Tony. Y'All stopped around. We do what we need to do right. That wasn't the case. If you're going to go after Tony Bracket Tony they're going to run. The ball with priests are going to run that that level of anxiety going into the game. It was exposed that you don't have Wiley joined now by Fox. NFL analyst Eric Mangini Super Bowl champion and legendary rams receiver Torry Holt my let's move to the Ram we're done yesterday as Jameis Winston and the buccaneers scored a franchise record fifty five points and win over the Jared Goff and company at the Coliseum assume the Rams Madison score forty points themselves and golf through for five hundred yards but he also threw three interceptions and lost a fumble which led to twenty eight Tampa's fifty five points. I Will Jared Goff. Keep the rams from getting back to the Super Bowl. Why are we gonNA put this bulldozer. Hello there go. I am no I'm not. I'm not a lot of you watching the game. I was like this is a bad balance in whatever Sean McVeigh in terms of sixty eight eight a tips and fewer than twelve Russia's a letter Russia's. I was like this is horrible then also he threw three interceptions. I said that's pretty good game for six hundred ten day. AM who throws the ball sixty ties that set man I have to highlight what was really going on with the rams offensively and we keep talking what about talk todd Gurley in ardy protecting them or I don't think the NFL and coaches I've ever had that great heart you. We need you for the ended. A stretch run was I think they realized okay. We don't try to win without you and if we can accomplish that we don't probably move on from you and I'll tell you why I got understanding watching them loose to the bears last year week fourteen Vic Fangio in that defense when they came out I call it the stretch of six six D Fisa Lima kind of like one linebacker hybrid and it stopped the zone read the widespread runs they love to do with Todd Gurley and and from then you started to see the phasing out of girly minus game against Dallas in the playoffs what's happening now. Just think is there tried to see how oh can't we operate against unpredictable Todd Gurley going forward and this is unfortunately the result. I'll tell you what I mean. Twenty eight yards total yesterday and we know the rams of being balanced offense based off of what we saw last year from this group and they got guys got brown around got the Henderson care from from Memphis. I think they should be using a whole lot more than what they've been doing. He can bring. He's a different style back. He ran his own reading in Memphis. He can catch the ball backfield. They can throw screens to him. So some of the things that girlie does I in the passing game. This kid Henderson can do that allows them to have the offense that we crested to seeing with the rams but asking golf throw it sixty eight times is definitely a bit much and turned into football over four times is way too much and Jameis Winston obviously obviously was was in a great field yesterday for the game. Godwin was eating up the middle the Football Field Mike Evans running by guys going off. I think that he's okay I do. I think I think he's he's okay. I think he is their guy. Obviously he's got to minimize the turnovers but the kid can run the offense to kick and throw the football. He's a rhythm matic pass or he's got guys can get it to the three receivers that we do know. Josh Reynolds as well. They got to tighten raffles with blonde hair so now. I don't think so I think so. I think I think I think he's a guy jared. Goff is a guy yet. He had the rams have the rams in the in the in the championship last year in the Super Bowl and I think and I said at at that before they gave whether they win. Lose Jared Goff. We'll have this football team. He has the potential to have this football team back in another super bowl one of the things. I don't think it's fair about yesterday's game. I while they're down twenty one to nothing so that's going to skew the run pass ratio to start and when you look at the rams over the last couple of years they've been very healthy and the offensive line and they've had tremendous continuity in this year. They have to change the offensive line and those picks and those turnovers last game. There is one bad intersection through. It wasn't even that bad they were. They were bluffing pressure. That guy ended up popping back out. He got in the throwing. That was the one bad decision or the quarterback based decision. The first one was a strip sack. He had no chance on that. The second interception was a linebacker pressure which was happening right now. In his fourth to he had to throw the ball either way because it was going to get turned over on downs and the third one was the same thing he had no chance that right tackle Rob Hammerstein was beat by Shaq Barrett instantly so he had no chance there either. I went back and looked at the two picks against the browns. They were both the hard sell play action. which is their core? Their offense shot he was a little late on one throw and it was a questionable pick and the other throw. He couldn't get over over the linebacker but none of those when you look at it. I get it he missed some open receivers. Yesterday weren't intercepted there. Were a lot of other bad balls balls or no questions and that's I mean that's been that's been since the season started yeah no question about it so the goal clearly as area that he needs to improve on but it's still plenty of offense of their office. They're they're going to get those same opportunities as the season goes again and I got to believe that he will complete those pass and Patrick Mahomes do not touch sounds and and Tom. Brady had a horrible day in the Rams Def- you just compared him Jason with Zeke Zeke. Elliott ran ran for two yards a carry so yesterday. There's a lot of aberration. The rams defense gave fifty points. Sometimes the these things happen but we want to rush to blame one guy look todd Gurley Todd girlies numbers aren't that far off in terms of yard per carry notes off. He's only getting fifteen carries as opposed to twenty one sometimes offensively elite especially. If you're the head coach you WanNa make that it's a lot more fun and exciting to throw the ball than it is to run the ball. Now you gotta take that back. I love this point. I've got we've got to take a step back. Put your put the ego run the football even if it's not getting what you want even if there's a plus one plus zero it's like body blows to a boxer eventually it wears them down and it sets up everything everything else they go is part of the issue here and he has come to new groups quickly to find balance within this offense. That's what they do. You wealth like that. That's the core of their offense so it's it's obviously got to clear up some things but it's mcvay as well. It's the offense coach. Mitch and Hammerstein Amazon was getting his budwood yesterday. This Shaquille barricade is really really good. I think he found that out yesterday so that office got to continue to clear some things up in the passing game where we now now. God doesn't have those force throws so there's there's plenty of blame to go around for everybody on the on the La Rams. We got the real quick. Tago really done this before. y'All forget his rookie year I five games. He had four over one hundred yards. Did He went twenty six games in a row. You know what I mean. He games the over one hundred yards one one out of twenty six that were back here eight of his last night fewer than one hundred yards you're right fewer carey's but even through that stretch of the twenty six games at the ad to carries. Eric Mangini Tori holder bat as moved to buffalo where the Patriots either out a victory over the bills yesterday a sixteen to ten. They'll thanks to Tom. Brady who looked every bit of forty two years old and Brady completed less than fifty percent of his passes for just one hundred yards and threw one pick to go along with zero rotate downs. It wasn't the first time Brady Show Zaid's this year overall his numbers this season look completely pedestrian near the bottom of the League and completion percentage percentage twenty eight in the middle of the packing yards per game yards per attempt and passer rating Eric. Mangini heads about to explode yeah. I'm going to ask the question anyway way. Should we be concerned about Tom. Brady after yesterday's lowers my team. Yes get him culture and I just want to go on the record here. It is if this was any other team in the NFL. We gotta get the the quarterback more help. We gotTA. Do this. GotTa do that but because it's the Patriots just expect them to keep chugging along the way that they had their fourth left tackle now in the last three years and the guy that's playing left tackle. They picked up in September any Thursdays practice with the stomach flu. They're on their second center center because their captain and centre he went on IRA in the season eshelman missed practice with at Chester ribs or whatever it is and then you factor you're in the Antonio Brown hangover. You look at the two tight ends they have. They've got thirty. One combined receptions in their career was a free agent rookie free agent last year who didn't even play it was on I R and so the you're talking about a very limited amount of offensive potential add into the fact that Tom has the calf injury and he's nursing that and they're playing one of the best defenses in the NFL. Is it GONNA look perfect. No it's not gonNA look perfect. One interception of they threw it was a great play by the corner was man-to-man. He kind of a lot of coverage. I hear so so if it was any other team where we know that Brady's not practicing regularly anymore more to do that. You didn't know that yeah he's not he. He left him off but he missed some practice this week as well because he's old and he's not a straight ticket. I I know if you look at what I'm seeing here too though that's Davis White and he's guys this bill. The deepest sticky cuts happening is this is. This is a divisional go. These teams are very familiar with with the patients and not scared and what from what I'm seeing and I didn't watch the game because I spend a Lotta time overrated the rams game from what I'm seeing like the coverage in what's happening here with the buffalo bills. He's got to get the bills credit to keep talking. Really what is a really good outfits. It's the number two defense from larger number two this year no pro zone defense last year and still going out there with a divisional foe. Brady was thirty thirty and three play the buffalo bills. You can't always expect it just mail it in and all of a sudden have tremendous success with the injuries. They have upfront were brady in his issues. They're going to get somebody that is familiar at is formidable. That's all concern. NOPE none concerned we. We ought to concern. Here's my concern Centrum. The fact they brought cody Kessler okay. They haven't had three quarterbacks on the roster since Tom was was suspended suspended and to me for them to bring a quarterback at this point of the year makes me think that maybe this calf injury is a little bit more serious than we think are or is being led on that to me is the one red flag or concern is the fact that they brought in a quarterback at this point which is so not not consistent with the way because Brady's can't practice all the time. Somebody has to run the I in. Somebody's gotta run the Scout Team. Yeah so Brady's forty two. He looked at yesterday. Mangini agrees with me. He's very concerned about Brady just the thing about the Patriots to help whoever it is under center because they can they can get back to the basics of running the football to They got a heck of offers. There's a line coach in Schenectady. I think is correct. Eh that that can coach office via plane. I know there's been some reshuffling there but they can get back to run into football and when you do that that calms things allows more passing lanes for these receives that Tommy is working with them. We've seen early in the first two weeks. They were looking pretty. Doggone good offensively. I mean again but they were executing the system executing the the place. I'm GonNa tell you how concerned so they can run them off and they'll be okay so you. I'm concerned and then they got a great defense so you didn't and get to watch the game I did and so I've never seen this before because bill belichick concern. I saw bill bill to check on. He was so desperate he was out there doing some little hand signal like like this this late which means run the defense. I've never seen him do that before little the logo just like just like you're playing a piano played so they're running the defense. They ran before and ended up in like a soccer pick. I don't I remember Yeah Yeah but look. If you really WANNA pick apart Tom Brady and the Patriots you have to say this Josh Alley and undefeated buffalo bills. We're in a game where they could have one and that's what zero testosterone at three interceptions now if we're going to go and measure talent and we're going to measure expectations you're like the Patriots shouldn't be in that contest but then we have to look at it beyond the surface you realize the injuries you you realize you're going against the number two defense you may walk in there and not know all the names but collectively squat and they're at home all right now. Did we miss anything okay. Let's stick with this game where everyone online was talking about. The huge hit on Josh Allen did not come out of the rest of the game and the player delivered. The head was passed. DVD Jones he was not ojected. Lot of deals deals players. Were upset about that with safety. Mike Hide saying quote. If one of us did that's a brady. We wouldn't have been the game anymore. There's no way would continue playing the game would ask you guys. You think there's a double standard here. I'm going to say no because one thing I know. Brady wouldn't be doing is running like a running back that Brady would have been sliding and so he would have never been in this position. I don't have a problem with this hit to be quite honest with you. I understand why they know. The flag understand the through the flag and the new. NFL quarterback is going to run like a running back and at that was a running back. Nobody would be saying anything. Everybody own great hit yet but since it's a quarterback now he's running like running back. You're going to get treated running but he's been consistent. If it's if it's head if we're making sure or there's thought to protect the players with the players safety it there's helmet to helmet and his clean visited a vision of that should be ability to kids should be ejected from the Josh Allen you talk about because he laid his head as well. Gosh that part but that's true exactly the land within take it back. Take it all. There's got to be more consistency seeing how they call it. The Beach Assistant Win your ties to running quarterbacks versus statuesque quarterbacks and that's what's happening. Officials just like players we see Josh Allen coming. We're thinking thinking more in the Cam Newton model interns penalty and in terms of enforcement and how are we gonna hit them. You see Tom Brady. You're GONNA have a different set of rules. I don't think that the double standard applies. I thought this was fine. No Objection Tom. Brady average is minus point for Keri K. Josh Allen averages seven yards a carry. It's a one score game. He's GonNa get the first down the DB doesn't come in the DB lead with a shoulder not as head. Josh Allen lowered his head. Josh Allen is was eleven last year in rushing touchdowns. So what are you supposed to do concede the first down because he doesn't take the protection that the NFL gives him by sliding to me. I'm fine with the penalty but I don't think this was malicious and and it makes sense. I don't think there's a double standard here at all because Tom. Brady would have been feet. I two or three yards for the first down marker and it would've never happened so let's talk radio when I got out the Houston Cow Allen was able to pull out another another win for the Panthers and Cam Newton's absence Allen wasn't spectacular but he did enough to get the win and it sounds like he'll be starting for a while after Cam took to his own youtube channel this weekend to talk about his injury in Typical Cam Newton style. You might ask yourself. Can you play right right now. Yes I can't play right now but if I were to go out there and play four quarters of football in the state that I may right right now with my foot. It'd be a number one out there but it won't be Cam Newton what everybody's accustomed to seeing in refused for that to happen bigger obstacle Cam Newton himself or CALICO like Kane La More Cam Cam Newton denied. No one in this world will love him more than I do but he put himself in his is position and this is GonNa be a problem for Cam Newton because of Cam Newton. TJ talked about this for the last two weeks when you do something in a moment when your talent is trumping whatever comes along with you we aw understand how we're going to look aside and turn a blind eye to those. Oh situation but I always tell players. There's GonNa be a moment when you get up to the plate and before you even know what before the first pitch you on strike two and Cam Newton because of his unpresidential leadership and all the smokers come along with that greatness is now at the plate and is all strike to cow Allen all he has to do is keeping Allen which is no smoke from me and our last twelve games. We've only won three and all three of them have been because a cow. The Allen while Cam Newton has been on the sideline smoking up so here's the thing I feel for them but this is age. Oh Man we've seen it too many times in the locker room. It's on Cam and unfortunately Kennedy. I think they're going to turn to pays. was you smoke when you like that where you smoking your cigar. When you finished your Marcellus log right I mean look I blame the Bronco Ron Ron Lebron right. It's not it's not cow. It's McCaffrey. It's Christian McCaffrey. That's that's the biggest problem here and the reason why is it circles back to Cam Newton because the reality here is cam is dealing with his own mortality -ality right now cam is dealing with the decline of his popularity popularity going somewhere else somewhere else being Mr McCaffrey three and the reality of it is that someone who has been what he has represented to that organization to that city to that team he's sitting sitting there and and that and that moment what he's doing is he's basically giving an admission of what he truly is filling. which is I have been so much and now I feel like I am so little? He's dealing with insecurities. He's dealing with themselves so it is a symptom of Tom. Having to deal with more so than the quarterback when you look at Cam Newton's record he's had including this year. He's had three winning seasons as he's Edmund. This is harder in nine years. Compare that to Rothlisberger who's had two losing seasons in sixteen years so the reality is he's one heat three three times as a quarterback for the panthers next year salary cap if they cut him or trade him or move on from they save nine hundred million dollars so the production have we seen great production in spurts have they won consistent with them. No can they save a significant amount of money yeah they can and now they've got someone in place who's running the system running very effectively and producing winds at a fraction of the cost and you start doing things like this. It's very easy for management. The coaching staff and ownership to say maybe it's time to change. Course you know what I always say that. If you just listen to people they'll tell you exactly who they are. Yes and if you remember when Cam at the Combine Peter King I think reported the global icon deal that that was one camps cams goals to be a global icon or something and people got upset with Peter King and doesn't say anything about Cam and you know what it says it all about camp because the video he just put out with a cigar in the wine and all the guy that sees himself as an icon more more than he does. A leader of football team and Eric is exactly right. They're GONNA look at the results paid this guy a lot of money and the highs have been in high but it's a roller coaster ride and if you're the head coach if you WanNa be a checker Mike Tomlin. It can't be a roller coaster ride it needs to be we win on a lot here. We're in the playoffs a lot. We're always in the tournament with a chance to win the Super Bowl. That's not the case with Cam Newton. It's unfortunate. The Guy has unbelievable talent came into the league with as much talent as anybody that's ever delete but just I think the superstardom these young kids being given so much money and so much attention I look at him like a challenge of Hollywood child star. That's let's head difficulty. Dealing with celebrity and wealth and fame is not just a young kids though I have to be fully transparent one of the reasons. I'm up here with a a career that was lesser than I expected but maybe greater than they expect it. Coming from Navy League was because I got caught up in this same scenario when you're a player so you think that these actions you think these mannerisms are independent of your play but upstairs. They're interdependent so I was a DJ. I love music it was a DJ Day one of my rookie year and as I was climbing up the depth chart and getting sack after sack everybody like me. Dj include include owners. I used to own detail owners parties. St Part is everything ourselves that dude arm dark socks go big go. Dj and then Tim sacked ZAC started to go away and they start looking at these are like what are you still dude just for. Dj Pro Bowl to Dj the Promo no not anymore. All telling you campus will make sure it's going to break humanity. If you're caught up in anything extra then the game of football that will be a used against you in moments what's interesting about what coach and it comes back to. My original point is you're looking at the value. You're looking at the cost. Sometimes the value and the cost isn't in the wins and the losses sometimes it's in the marketability and when you're looking at a player like Cam Newton three wins three winning seasons you. Are you still say that. People are willing to buy tickets to come watch and see if cameras meeting to see the the co-. The companies and corporations are still willing to put that money up to to support port and invest in a franchise that has a face like Cam Newton surrounding and supporting it. McCaffrey is now replacing that face so now the Carolina Carolina Panthers can look at him look at Cam Newton as more of an expendable commodity for their team and then you've got a hell of a point go ahead. I think you need personalities when you don't have victories and if you win then people are going to come the very the the corporations are going to come. Nothing makes stars more than than winning winning and if you're chronically losing or you win one third of the time then does shift to personalities but at the end of the day if you win. There's there's GonNa be a lot of personalities on your team is going to be a lot of success and everybody ship is. GonNa arrive late in. DC Lavar almost say where I think you're right in terms of the thought of camps potential did Dr-. Hey let's show up and see. Superman is gonNA show up today maybe the MVP cams going to return and that was part of the cell and Carolina Oughta. I agree with you Christian McCaffrey and again the story is not out there because for the narrative is out there in popular way for some reason because we only see race one way a white running back to the lead in the NFL in Russia Yard right now not just a white running. No don't understand we celebrate the brake pedal mahomes. MVP The black quarterback right is doing this and this a white running back leading the NFL in rushing that is amazing that story eventually may be slow to be told but it's GonNa get told I don L. I know the panthers was one of the Super Six match ups this weekend at anyone win the big. I pry here's a no one hit the jackpot this weekend but all Saturday a Watan Edey lucky fans walked away with cash in their pockets the most supersedes history so make sure you download the Fox score super six APP and play for free or chance to win Fan Sir. Jimmy's here to help us talk about our approval ratings for Baker Mayfield you do. I know myself says you big dummy in the day. I hate to be a spoiler. Go ahead now not shying get. What would you say at the end of your lying feuding with everybody? Don't ever get you nowhere. Yeah got your TV show didn't did did let's talk some baked jokey over here and the browns got off to a slow start this year but dominated the Ravens yesterday moving them in the first place in AFC North Ourselves Marcellus do you think the browns are legit threat in the AFC absolutely we all expected that this talent would translate to what we saw at least this week against the Baltimore Ravens so now analysis to dog fight between the Ravens and the Cleveland Browns so yeah expect on another AFC she yeah yeah yeah look we. We saw the chiefs had their struggles but still it's the cheese cheese or tier one and then everyone else that we're just naming is now to all right uncle. Jimmy you see the browns is a threat here. nope. I'll like figure Matthew Baker Mayfield Fager Mayfield this is about as nutty as a king-sized being sized payday bar and He's probably my favorite candy bar payday loan. Okay knickers faker. Mayfield is what they call crazy. The boy ain't Wale the boys a few French fries. Shalva happy me and I'm sure you know something about that and if I do know about a happy Camille man you know as well as I do man. I've been a cop run up and down the streets in Kansas City for almost twenty years believe me. I know crazy when I see okay when you look at the mirror you mean going okay. You do hope he hope if the hulk was played by Charlie seen it ain't dams away and it'd be a play by no bill bixby. Oh you make a mayfield ever came to my jail. I had to put him on protective custody immediately. 'cause I come in there running in mouth and before you know it. He don't got hit from his blindside. You've got us. Cookies is too young to cat see just taking it. Don't mean you could walk the wall just because then dance club and molly no menial asking get molly walked out on that football field that's true. I've seen this dumb ass trying takeoff and we're offering them cops. I looked and I said boy right. Vengeance man with Dan was killing. Everybody world getting ready to be destroyed. What did help do nothing to do this. That's what Baker's his life boy chain fight lizzy angry. Hey let me tell you that nobody wants to be in a relationship with with a person has to be angry to be on best behaviour the makings of a dysfunctional relationship. I've ever seen it believe me. I've experienced. There's five times all and let me tell you this nephew. I know sometimes I like to walk. Just slap the juice out of your house in order to get you motivated to make you perform better don't always work well for TV. Okay and I don't think it's GonNa work full bullfighter all right not but I'll tell you what if you walk up here Mac smack my giles. That'd be your last day here. In La Molly wop no that ain't dry and hold on a minute gone born in night. I wouldn't born last night. I'm in your card on me did always look officer. Let me just say this. I do think the browns are on a little bit of a threat if you they can find some emotional stability for Baker Mayfield but that's a big. They just need to get me. It's he'll be all right all right. Let me my approval rating excuse Baker Mayfield who robbed him down despite this big win over the Baltimore Ravens since the last time we did he. He's dropped four points for me. Dropping in one job performance to all time greatness one in authenticity for a grand total of seventy two and all star for Baker Mayfield Yadda had to drop them down as well know Beckham in the game plan or at least an execution so twenty four thirty one touchdown one interception but not great character does goes up for him because he responded erects. Ri- responded to the criticism that was coming his way and he had a great performance in that respect. I look the Internet that has a tie at all star and scout team. Both thirty five percent are that's it for us.

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The Herd-HOUR-2-Blazing 5 picks

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The Herd-HOUR-2-Blazing 5 picks

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Fouling bitterness didn't. I mean. Of course. Lebron's not their client. Yesterday by the way, there's some anonymous NBA Agent Lebron James is image is polished. It's not the truth. We're going to vote on president you don't think that's all polished everything's. Okay Yeah 'cause everyone's so authentic. I mean like what do you mean what House Laurent supposed to behave first of all who cares Like, the brand is a shining example of what you're supposed to be as a superstar. They're actually he's he's the president he's set the bar. Yeah. They'd probably no one will ever reach like what do you mean? He's open in schools not perfect. Yeah crazy. To, perfect feels to perfect people you're looking at them right here is actually. Just. You just goes downhill from here. Okay. So I haven't had the best year. It's crazier first of all it's the highest scoring full-time we have a season. And it's like. The offense is going nuts and I tend to be somebody that likes underdogs. So I am gradually shifting to taking more favorites because I've never done that in my life. So I'm kind of I'm like the New York giants I'm getting better I just it's taking me a while to catch up this year, and here we go with our blazing picks. All odds provided by Fox bet so. Let's blaze it prior it's Collins Blazin. Packers at Texas favorite pick of the week. I like Green Bay minus three and a half. I like good teams who get humiliated in national TV Games they are focused. They'll be ticked off. The packers will play great this week. By the way they have to turn overs all year they were both against Tampa Bay's defense. This is a really smart clean football team and Texans Defense is horrified they've given up more big plays than any NFL, defense this year and the average opposers passer rating is a one eleven. Now here comes Aaron Rodgers Aaron Jones Davante Adams ticked off laser focused. Packers Hammer the Texans. Two twenty. Three. steelers tight. I have a rule take a really good team getting in Pittsburgh getting couple of points I'm GonNa take the steelers here to win Tennessee. Has Two big issues. First of all, they're left tackle Taylor Luna's out. You do not want to be missing a pro bowl level left tackle against the steelers that is a problem. Secondly, the titans defense is last in the NFL on third down defense why they don't have a pass rush. What does that mean people extend drives so Tennessee is a really good football team, but I think they'll meet their match by the way Big Ben's having an extraordinary season. His best completion percentage. His best passer rating his best touchdown to interception ratio they're getting points. The titans are missing their best offensive Lineman steelers when a good ugly game twenty, eight to twenty, three, Pittsburgh steelers go onto win. Panthers at Saints I'm going to take New Orleans minus seven and a half that's a hook number. Everybody usually likes the team getting seven and a half I'm gonNA take the saints. Here's wife The saints the last four times they've come off a bye I like veteran quarterbacks and great coaches off by their three and one in those games. And drew brees, criticize them all you want he's completing seventy. One percent of throws leads the NFL and Carolina's defense five sacks fewest in the NFL. Carolina's defense one of the worst on third down. But this may be the key teddy bridgewater. was with the saints. The last couple of years he's now in Carolina, the New Orleans Saints of had a couple of weeks to prepare for Teddy Bridgewater a quarterback they practice against for the last couple years off a bye. Well, rested against a Carolina team that I think is getting better but his limited defensively take the saints to win and cover thirty twenty. seahawks at cardinals. Seattle off by. The last four times Seattle bit off a by their foreign. Oh meanwhile, Arizona a young inconsistent team is on a short week. Because, they played a minor football and a young team that beat the Dallas cowboys. Everybody's telling Arizona you the man and here comes Seattle divisional game must win off the by by the way Russell Wilson has owned no team in the NFL like Arizona He's played them eight times. He lost once his first career NFL start he's six on one sense. He has rolled this team Jamal Adams is supposed to come back for Seattle again, Arizona Short week off a big emotional win beating the cowboys national TV Seattle off a bye veteran coach a quarterback Russell, Wilson that is owned Arizona on the seahawks to stay undefeated thirty, four, twenty, four. Bears at Iran's I'll take the rams minus six on the last living. American. That likes the Rams Okay Chicago is loaded offensively but we thought they get nick foles they'll be better. The problem is nick has had one or more interceptions in five straight games. That's the longest streak in the NFL. It's not Jameis Winston bad but it's not good the bears offense is near the bottom and everything twenty, seven scoring twenty, eight, total twenty rushing. It's a mess and the rams defense is better than people think they've moved Jalen Ramsey all over the field slot outside allowing fewer than one point in their last four games, four games this year and jared. Goff I know there's all these misgivings. Nobody likes Jared Goff. He has the highest passer rating in the NFL in the fourth quarter I think a close ugly game. The rams pull away late big cover the spread twenty, eight to twenty. More my blazing five picks checkout all the Fox bat social platforms. So, there you go. There's my lazing five picks. One of the Games in there, you can take a look at them. So I like the favored packers. The favored saints favored seahawks favored Rams I take the steelers has dogs and I am generally not somebody that takes favorites I. Am not the League's changing. There's more offense and you know gotta move around the Rams pick most of the wise guys in Vegas probably hate. But I, think Chicago laxed juice I think they have to make a move at the trading deadline or they're not going to be a viable team in the playoffs if they get there. So. Cam Newton I did not pick this game this week. So. San Francisco's underdog to New England by couple of points I would've taken San Francisco, I think it's a very important week. For Cam Newton in Carolina I used to call Cam Newton Roller. Coaster Cam. He plunges. He rises he plunges he rises he was very inconsistent rollercoaster cam getting a little bit of this now in new. England. So week one he runs mostly to he's great week three seventy-three passer rating week four didn't play week five by week six bad. If New England loses to the forty niners vegas things are going to win but if they lose their two and four and cam starts to feel a little bit like. Renter Cam Kate like one year draft somebody figure it out 'cause division is better buffalo's better. Miami's better than the have in recent years and the Seattle game does appear to be a little fool's gold. We now know Seattle defense it may get better but it's bad. Now DAK threw for four hundred, seventy, two yards Matt Ryan do for four hundred and fifty yards. Ryan Fitzpatrick threw for three hundred and fifteen yards and kirk cousins lit up for ninety three quarterback rating that was cameras big game. I need another cam good performance in San Francisco's defense. It's not what it was last year but statistically, it's top five. So Cam Newton knows it Cam Newton acknowledges it Cam Newton admits that. He's not playing well right now. Just haven't been good. and. Haven't I haven't matched enough good plays together for for my liking. And that's what it comes down to and I know what I'm capable love and. Mass Standard is extremely high. I haven't been meeting my personal standards. So that's that's. How I feel, Yep, he's got put another one together, very good against Seattle and then a bunch of running and and remember this is not a gifted offensive team. It's probably the slowest team. So if he is limited throwing the football that will hurt his rushing numbers and then he's a thirty one, thirty, two year old quarterback with an injury history that's kind of inconsistent and he feels more like the Carolina Cam than the Cam we saw against the Seahawks, which was really promising Eric managing former NFL. Stop by we are now in week seven of the NFL, he's around the. Corner one more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like this episode is brought to you by IBM today every answer matters more than ever before because whether it's about health deliveries or finance, some things just can't wait. 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Wednesday night the race battled back to tie the world series at one game apiece setting the stage for a pivotal game three with the dodgers tonight at seven, thirty, eastern four, thirty Pacific only on Fox and the Fox sports at all right dodgers throw their ace tonight. So they'll shift back to dodgers to one lead in the series. Eric Genie was a head coach for the jets and Brown's he's got three rings while he was with the Patriots foxsports NFL analyst. One of my favorite guys are my friend Eric. Mangini is now joining us live. So, let's just examine the the two quarterbacks last night. So Greg. cosell said this week he said you know went a little farve that he's a playmaker and you know he he's glorious when he's good but he holds the ball a little long. There's a lot of jump balls and do you think that's an accurate description? Kind of there's some farve qualities, but it can were you as a coach. Yeah One, one, hundred percent the things that you love about him are the things that you hate about him and he sought last night where he make something happen and and there's some great plays and then he throws the pick right before halftime and and that's been pretty consistent throughout the course of the season you love his his toughness and and the way that he'll. He'll absorb hits to get the ball off. He'll run with the ball and lower shoulder. That's great. But what are we seeing? We've seen a track record of of of. Him Getting injured and and that's a that's problematic as well. So you're trying to not take the positive the upside of him taking chances out of his game but you don't WanNa start losing games and there's been there's been a bunch of times with those turnovers led to losses more so than in than the huge upside. So a New York many believe there's a decision to be made if they could get a shot at Justin Fields Trevor Lawrence with Daniel Jones, weigh in on what you've seen and what you saw last night with a young kid. Well. With Daniel Jones there's a lot to be encouraged, but I think he's at, he's smart I think he's he's improved. I think he makes good decisions overall. Bonnie. See that his touchdown to interception ratio. especially. Last year was good nets little bit different than what you get from Sam darnold where it's more of a fifty fifty cuts on the interception. He was almost double last last year you know the issue I have with him though the turnovers in general, you're talking about twenty games and thirty two turnovers. So He's holding the ball too long and and that's translating into fumbles and that's that's a problem. It's another one of those areas just like we talked about with winds. Can you coach them out of that? Can you that never happens with with Brady or peyton manning because they know it's not worth it to hold it for the extra second and chance attornal yeah. So I I was saying is if you look since the beginning of last year. If you just took. Derek. Cars name out of it and I showed you the numbers. You'd be like, oh, passer ratings like one, ten, thirty, two touchdowns, nine picks, seventy one percent completions and this week. Gruden now and Derek Carr of beaten the breeze and the Saints Mahomes and the chiefs, and if they beat braiding the box, we're all gonna half the. Summarily say it's like it's the real deal and I, and I've said this for years, there's a role model quality to him where. He doesn't have. Tony? Is kind of let it rip. Rally but there's something about him. He's got good feet. He makes plays I just look at the numbers Eric in the last year and a half they're really good is. Derek Carr. Well, it's not just the last year and a half. What was it? Two Thousand Sixteen he's in the conversation for for MVP before it gets hurt I think it was like twenty touchdowns and seven interceptions and you look at him since he's gotten together with John and he's gotten better every year in almost every category completion percentage quarterback regime out rating sacks, interceptions, two touchdowns, interceptions this. There's significant progress and and he strikes me as a guy that maybe when when Gruden came in was a little bit uncomfortable wasn't used to to that style of coaching. But now that they've gotten understanding and he understands not only the system but also the play caller and the head coach you're seeing that progress you're seeing that growth and really you're seeing the player that we have seen. Sound like he's never played really gang really. Well. Yeah. So you live in Cleveland. And So they go out and get just boat raced and owed Ellsberg Yappy and Baker says I don't listen to the media and they say, Oh, feels like owens sick. Then I'm like your foreign to it's loss. Give me an update on the browns this morning your vibe, how you feel about where they're at going forward. When when I saw that Clip. I thought of the Mae West rule where if you have to tell someone your lady than you're not, you know if you have to tell everybody. You're not annoyed. Obviously, you are annoyed and and winning is something that you have to get used to just like overcoming losses is something you have to get used to an and the the pressures on and you felt that in in the steelers game where it's it's it's self inflicted pressure with with him where he's forcing the ball on the on the slant early in the game little bit later in the game, he rolls out, throws the ball up for grabs he he doesn't have to do that and and to some degree he's got just managed the game. They've got a good enough running game. They're competitive enough defensively that just don't put the team behind the eight ball. And then don't get mad at everybody for for commenting on how you doing. That's a reality. So okay, last week I said so when Cam Played New England I was kind of like all right that works they don't have any speed, but it works, and now I've seen five different quarterbacks have huge games against Seattle and I'm like okay I need a second cam game to work I put it all on him. There's the Kovic stuff they literally don't have their are slow wide receiving corps. So let's weigh in on Cam today I. Think he has to play well against San Francisco. But where are you at with Cameron Belichick and the Patriots? No one was more skeptical than I was with Cam Newton working in New England I didn't know if you'd even make the roster based off of a personality fit based off whether or not. He would do the things that that they would ask him to do where he was health. Wise. So he comes in the first game, the season and they run a bunch of quarterback driven runs and and really effective quarterback driven runs and they put him in a position where he's gotta carry the ball I think it was the second highest. Career Total ever at that point, they come back the next week against Seattle, and because of that, it opened up a ton of things in the passing game and unlike Lamar Cam is a a more efficient passer at at this point. Now, fast forward, they're trying to figure out what balance those quarterback driven runs and the pressure that puts people they're gonNA use versus how much they want him as a as a traditional passer I. Don't think that's that's been figured out in terms of the last game, I'm going to give him Kobe. Kobe by for that because there's been a lot of good stuff and a lot more good stuff than I ever anticipated from him. So I don't think we can. We can say at this point it's. It's not work I. Think they just need to figure out what that balance is. By the way we're thinking about this I said this week I think Dallas is a rebuild they just won't admit it and they're they're very good at wide receiver. I would move Michael Jerry that I know well, I would move a Michael Gallup and get draft picks. She Got Amari cedrick Wilson got CD lamb you're fine at receiver. You're not find anywhere else when you deal with the cowboys. Jerry's the defacto GM right like most of the time Eric your where the jets are Brown's you could you could call a general manager with Dallas. Do you call Jerry Jones if you wanted to do a deal with Dallas? Is it more difficult? Well. Yes and no. They have people that that will talk about potential deals, but ultimately, the owner is going to make the decision I think the tough thing. The tough dynamic that crates in Dallas is the GM's never getting fired there. And the players that they bring in. Those decisions are always going to be looked at as right and oftentimes when those players don't work out and maybe they aren't the right fit it usually falls on the coach. You know they couldn't get rid of Jason, Garrett quick enough last year, and now you know there's there's this discontent with with the coaching staff. It's hard dynamic when the owner is the GM. Now it can be really easy to get deals done because you don't have to go through a lot of channels. There's there's one guy, but it's a really hard dynamic for for an organization by the way. I. Saw I saw this week Mike McCarthy some leaks in the media players calling out. The coaching staff. Were you ever in your career as a head coach there ever leaks what do you do with that? Yeah but but there's there's true leaks and then there's there's agents of disgruntled players, right? So player may be frustrated with his playtime may be frustrated with with his role and complains his agent and the agent puts it out that you know the the the whole team is dissatisfied with the coaching staff. They don't know what they're doing, but come on Mike McCarthy's coaching I think thirty one years Mike Nolan coaching thirty, nine years to say that they're not competent that they don't. Know The doing it. It's silly. It's I don't think it's it's player driven, and if it is those players are weak. You have an opportunity to walk in and talk to the head coach and express your concerns, and if you don't feel comfortable there, you can talk to the captains and if you don't feel comfortable there because the owner is the GM and very involved, you can go talk to Jerry and to deal with it through the media. It's at this early stage. If it's a player be ridiculously disappointing. Eric. Mangini. Have a great weekend. Bosco. Senior are good to all right good stuff by the way weather can be unpredictable Michelin endurance x t silicone wiper blades last two times longer available only at Walmart? Michelin Endurance. So it go I- blades joy Taylor with the. News. This is the third line news. The jets are winless only when the team left in the NFL. And that's. Comes perks being the worst in the NFL. You couldn't get Trevor Lawrence or dressing field. That's good news for the jets unless you're Sam Darnold. Some of the Trevor Lawrence Stock, but he is keeping his focus on turning things around this season. Yeah I mean. So I've seen the thing. We got a game to win this week and that's all the worries about. controlled. I'm here. I'm here do my best and helped his team. Win Games. I mean, what's He gonNA say Bikes, there's nothing he can do about that conversation. The only thing you can do actually is is go out and win. Well, if if you do draft Trevor Lawrence, here's the good news for the jets. You can trade Sam Darnold. Somebody's GonNa take. I mean let's just off top for head right now. Colts. Absolutely, both actually I think makes the most. Okay. Let's let's do one more Somebody in my ear just said steelers. Sit In for a year or two. I think it depends on how this season finishes for for. Healthy at the end of the season I think. I don't know maybe but I think it ben finishes the season healthy. You probably will be too early for that but Ben Tiring every other year by the way. New Orleans. New Orleans is definitely a theme I. I don't think I think this is A lot of people feel. Freezes last year and I don't think the TASTES THEM HELL IS A. quarterback. So I mean listen if you take. Trevor Lawrence. Would you say John. Forty niners. Get Out, of Jimmy Jeez contract I don't. I don't know. Why if you're if you if you win your division this year why the colts seems really obvious to me. So yeah, the polls seem obvious get something. For Sam Darnold you can't tell he's not GonNa get another shot I mean it's going to be a team is is not gonna able to draft high enough to get a player like Sam darnold and they`ll Give it. I pack as they should and the jets are rebuilding. So it's not enough on Sam Darnold if it doesn't work in New York and I think New York it's number one overall pick I. Don't think you have a choice but to draft Sam Lawrence now I know there's some conversation about Trevor Lawrence forcing his way out of that situation. I. Mean. I think a team would have to give up of a whole lot somebody semi here. New England for Darnold. Jets wouldn't do that with that. That's kind of tough. Yeah. That's not I would be so intolerable. If. That happened he wants yes I I don't think you're gonNA make trade like that within your individual, it would be for the radio TV industry. If. darnold. I would be intolerable I don't know if I would just go working for NASA just patriots don't do that to me. He is expected to start Sunday against the bills barring any setbacks in practice he's been dealing with a shoulder injury and of course, as we know, the jets are eight, thousand him. So he is clearly the EP when he piece if they have one in New York. So. Just is tough to see yesterday to Sean Jackson's return for the Eagles was short-lived. He was injured on a punt return, which actually was the first hits on was a penalty but the secondhand actually should have been Kennedy, which is where he got injured. He needed help the field and was eventually card to the locker room. He had an MRI today that reportedly confirmed he has suffered a high ankle sprain so he will be out indefinitely and we'll be on I R I think with the chance to return later in the season he was going to retire. I'm GonNa make a prediction that you Sean Jackson will retire. Sooner than later he posted a picture of himself in a walking boot saying pray for me all it three receptions, thirty, four yards yesterday they got him going quickly and early in yesterday's game. It's an the eagles can. Break. He had a really good career. He'll do things good kid people like him. He'll be fine. He just I think you get to a point though they've drafted some young wide receivers kid from Stanford Kit from TCU. So they're they're trying to subvert you know supplement wentz with young receivers nobody can stay healthy I. Don't know if there's been more valuable practice squad and elite than God squad for the last two years raise a glass to that scout team. Finally Ron Rivera supported Dwayne hoskins after his three interception game in week three but has only got one more star before he was benched for cow Allen. River Rivera's been criticized for being inconsistent with the quarterback position recently, but he said he's just following his guts. Does look a consistent, but the consistency is that I'm gonNA. Make based on on Gut Feeling on things and hopefully they're good decisions and and if not, we'll know and I'll take responsibility that's for Doggone shrieks none of it's working. I. Don't. Respect Ron Rivera right everyone loves aren't Rivera. I don't like. I don't WanNa. Pick apart words because I hate being is person but I'm GonNa do it anyway I don't like the gut feeling. The answer like. Manna lyrics, but there's re- part of Man Olympics analytics like we're not just going to say that it's GonNa rain because our knees feeling funny like I I'm not into gut feelings especially at decisions like this like I think we know he felt more comfortable with Allen 'cause he had had him before everyone felt like Dwayne hoskins move was premature. We sort of know we all have is what Kyle Allen is unless you're just going to invest in the future which no one really feels like it is if you have more than one quarterback, you have no quarterback. So so what is what is what the Carousel to me? It doesn't make sense to Balance when Hoskins, of course, this division is a disaster but you you lost last week to the giants I'll throw this out if they lose to Dallas this weekend and lose again could I make the argument that you play Wayne Haskins down the stretch to show him off. So when you do draft a quarterback, you can get something for him. Of course because you if you if you feel like in the next two weeks, the Eagles win a couple I think the eagles could go on a winning streak and look in you're like this is my first year here I'm not getting fired da then put Dwayne Haskins out there and say, here's seven starts. Let's show him to the world, and if the Wayne show something you get a six round pick form or something for you see what you haven't him. I I feel like it was premature. I don't think anyone believes in cal Allen and to your point, the eagles just beat the giants have the cowboys next week than a by and the giants again and you just. Lost to the giants this week did Washington. So I I don't know it's it's it's a strange situation there I just don't like saying it's a gut feeling I was going for what feels good like there has to be some at that position some direction especially when you're defenses playing the way it is it just seems like it's a little bit of law situation there. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by. Heard lie played in the NFL In, the NFL now works for the NFL network. Terry. Bradshaw next hour bucky brooks is coming up next. 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But what would I know on Satan for God's Sakes don't even get me started rag tag more than a guerrilla to lifestyle don't go wrong can't go wrong built by growers for Griller. WRECK TECH WITH DOT COM R., E. C. T. E. Q. Stainless steel. By one, you'll never buy another grill bucky brooks played in the NFL. Scouted in the NFL I rely on and from time to time and man I love magicians, I love. David Blaine David Copperfield I take my son to see magicians all the time. I'm going to Vegas this weekend to see my kids and I think we'll go to a magician speaking of which I saw last night. His name is Carson Wentz and Bucky. Brooks is joining me live now I just like he's an illusionist, he takes losses turns them into winds. I love him. What did you make a wins last night? Well I got done riding the roller coaster the Carson wentz experience I settled in and I was like you know I don't really know what I just saw for three and a half hours because there are some good play. There are some head-scratching play and some questionable decisions and then you saw the epic comeback and I just don't know if Peterson what. Exactly do I have as my starting quarterback I have a talented player, but I have a player that can address out the pocket tries to make hero throws is prone to make bed decisions and we win some of these games. But how long can we sustain our ability to win because quarterback is really really inconsistent leased league and turnovers completion rate when Everyone is completing sixty five percent of their passes. He's a sub sixty passer. I just don't know what to make, and even though I heard, you lean into the magical comparisons and you compare them to bret for I'm trying to figure out what burs Brett for are you comparing him to because version of breadth that I know was a three time MVP? Winter who was the best player that position and I don't know if we ever can say that Carson Wentz has been the best quarterback in football particularly right now when he's really really struck okay. Speaking to Green Bay quarterbacks I have said before I like Aaron Rodgers first. Ballot. Hall of Famer I think he throws the best ball since Dan. Marino. But. If. He trails in any game in his career. He's one his a losing record. By the way Tim Tebow doesn't Ben doesn't. Brady doesn't Mahomes doesn't in fact Lamar Jackson who we label can't play from behind has won sixty five percent of his games if he's ever trailed for a minute in a game so there's that secondary he has fewer. Aaron has fewer fourth quarter comebacks and Derek, and Ryan Tannehill and Matt Ryan, and my theory is that Aaron tends to be a little bit of a front runner. One life is good and comfortable he's. In. Control. But when you got to get into the octagon and you trail and it's uncomfortable his body language, he can be a little bit of a Baylor not a Foxhole guy last week I saw it against second pick. He decided it's Wendy. Big. Risks it like the Aaron who doesn't doesn't foster get on my shoulders I'll carry you. Is it a fair criticism of it? I mean, I could understand that he doesn't have a lot of fourth quarter comebacks and those things. But I think we have seen him play at a high level enough to know that he's a Fox old guy. He can play at a level that is NBC level a super bowl winning level. Now, the differences he's an older quarterback now and as you get older, you need the supporting. Cast to do more and so when I look at the Green Bay packers in what Matt low-floor wants to do is he wants to kind of spread the wealth put some of this on the running game also distributed evenly amongst passing game put Aaron Rodgers on the move awfully action and when it works real is fine i. think the thing about Aaron is against the Tampa Bay buccaneers. He got beat up and when you become an old recorded, you get hit and hit hard hit persistently your game changes when he needs in these games they're playing against teams that are even a little better. He needs his coach to be able to bail them out by taking his game up or not, and I don't know if metal floor is an elite level coach when you match. them up against other elite level coaches. Some of these things have to be done by the coach creating a plan that allows the quarterback that played a high level. I don't know if all of this can follow Aaron Rodgers shoulders. So the bears did not offer Mitch Trubisky of fifth year extension even though they said publicly how much they like him and he did have a winning record. So Baker Mayfield. We're going to have at the end of this year. You're going to start talking about this stuff and publicly fancies like it's on me. I'm put him in bad spots. But people don't tell you publicly what they think Ted Day is he a guy you give an extension to Baker Mayfield. It's tough to say that, yes, I'm give him the extension and pay him the kind of money that comes with the extension because I'm thinking I'm have to him what does Shawn Watson and others get and I don't think we can say that Baker Mayfield is a forty million dollars quarterback where Baker Mayfield is is a B. B. Plus quarterback with everything around him being correct and what they have in Cleveland is a perfect supporting cast. Say What you want about Jarvis Landry and OBI J. They're really good wide receivers office. A line has been revamp bill. Callahan has those guys trailing in the right direction dominant running game with Nick Job and Kareem. Hunt. So he has everything and what we're seeing from Baker Mayfield he starts out the game on fire when they are even Steven the game opens up he's completing a high level of his passes but when you get into the third quarter and more importantly the fourth quarter Baker Mayfield falls off a cliff he doesn't have the ability to do the extraordinary play and so to me is an ordinary player and you have to treat them as such and I don't know if the Cleveland Browns WanNa pay big money prices for a guy who is just an ordinary player. So this'll sound kind of Wonky but I'm fascinated we know Bella check can coach They are the slowest wide receiving corps. I've ever seen an Harry appears to be at some point it's not working. They have drafted a skill player pro bowler since Gronk. I've been told by two people in the NFL in January. Bella check calls off everybody on the draft and says, I've got it from here. I look at this team. I don't know how to explain it. They cannot draft the wide receiver and by the way there is no perfect coach Pete Carroll parcells Jimmy Johnson all. There's always a blind spot for everybody. We can blame cam but this is what Tom Brady was screaming about last year is that get open? As a scout explained to me how they're so bad at drafting wide receivers because they don't have anybody who can separate at all. So horror system the plan because system that requires a lot of thinking. After the staff meeting, they recovered a break, their routes based on the coverage that is hard for young guys to pick up because it's not really a system that you utilize in college, and so there's a lot of layers that come with it and then depending upon how they like to build this thing this team, they like to have the diminutive slot receiver that wins with quickness they want to have more bigger guys that can expand the strike zone. For the quarterback, but it's hard to find big fast guys that can separate. That's why people go crazy over like decay metcalf because you typically don't see those type of guys in the national hard to find him and so the Patriots think what they're doing right now is they're trying to find their identity as an offense and with these big buddy playmakers. What is the best way for us to play? Should we go up under center US play action and hope that the play action fakes create these windows where they can settle in? But I think before we give up on the cure, he's only a year and a half in his NFL career and sometime, the light bulb goes off a little later for guys and I think we need to give him every opportunity to fully develop but you are right. They have had a very difficult time finding wide receiver in the draft that can come in and play and play a high level consistent two quarterbacks in the NFL people kind of bailed on Derek Carr and Ryan. Tannehill. And this morning they're playing really good football. Let's just go to Derek Carr. Last year and a half with Gruden the numbers one, hundred, ten, passer rating thirty, two TV's nine picks. We got a minute and a half left this morning I. Think he's a top twelve quarterback in the league I think I think he didn't have the right coach now he's got offensive coach I by Derek Carr do you Think he's good great and I think the reason you hear the hesitancy sometimes it comes out of Las Vegas is because I think they also view them as that the thing that we need to see from their car to go to the next level is candy take raiders team when everything isn't right and can't get them to the winner's circle. Sure right now they have all of the playmakers that you want on outside Henry Rugs Nelson. Egg Laura beginning to play well, Dan Waller is a fantastic tidy in the run game is working big of life but what we haven't seen, we haven't seen the raiders win when Derek Carr has to take his game up or not, and he has to put this team on his back. So much of what they're doing is predicated on Jon Gruden always call into perfect play, the different Derek Carr, and the pet mahomes the Russell Wilson's Press of the world can they do it when the things around him aren't right. Those other guys have been able to do it more often than Derek. Carr we need to see him do it before we can put him in that category with those special players that. goodstuff. Bucky. Brooks NFL Network Fox sports analyst to good senior. Hey thanks for having me call you Bet Bucky Brooks. Love to have him on. Terry Bradshaw last hour Jason. McIntyre. GOT HIS NFL picks By the way you're going to hear this in the next couple of weeks. Somebody's GonNa win the NFC, east and GonNa have a terrible record. Right and everybody's GONNA say. This is going to become a story. Oh, you shouldn't be able to win. Six, and ten, and seven and nine timeout. Let's go through the divisions and let's be honest about this. First of all, I've seen Seattle and Carolina win a division South Five hundred in a playoff game. We have fifty bowl games. Twelve were watchable and you all celebrate them. We just added to playoff teams. We all celebrated that. But you can't win a division seven nine. So let's look at the division leaders right now. Okay. NFC East kind of crazy but Philadelphia did make the playoffs last year we know they have talent Chicago. Right. Now is a playoff team. They can't score. All right Tampa Bay New Orleans no squabble their Seattle is going to win the NFC west. It is statistically the worst defense of all time. Oh by the way Arizona hot and cold is a playoff team. All. Right. Let's go through the AFC standing. You tell me. All right. So Buffalo in Miami Right now are playoff teams. MIAMI'S A. By the way AFC south colts have fifty, eight year old quarterback, they'd be a playoff team. Folks, there's all sorts of teams that make the playoffs with all sorts of massive flaws. They're terrible on one side of the ball. It happens Seattle and Carolina have both made the playoffs up by one hundred everybody doubted shouldn't be here they both WanNa. Playoff game we got fifty bowl games forty watchable every time we add one, you celebrate it. Terry Bradshaw next hour. With Amino, Brown is a weekly podcast brought to you by cynical women, podcast network and IHEART radio I'm your host, Amina Brown, and each week I'm bringing you hilarious storytelling and soulful conversation a centering the stories of black indigenous Latin, X and Asian women. Each week we are going to laugh consider and reflect upon the Times join me as we remind each other to access joy effect change and beat inspired listened to her with Amina Brown on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. What's up I am machine gun Kelly and look I know Halloween is going to suck this year because there's no trick or treating and all that. But I've got a treat. 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NFL's 4th-and-15 onside kick alternative + Ravens WR Marquise "Hollywood" Brown joins

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NFL's 4th-and-15 onside kick alternative + Ravens WR Marquise "Hollywood" Brown joins

"Good morning everyone. First Things First. Some general alongside. Nick Ri- Kevin Wilde's Happy Eric. Mangini with us this morning it is pro finally Leeann. We have a great show for you today. Come up and the cowboys are once again at an impasse. So where do we go from here? We'll let you know. What would it look like if Brady and Lebron teamed up together? What if Lebron Brady teamed up together? We'll talk about that in. Hollywood Brown is GonNa join us about the upcoming season for more Jackson Knicks. Already shaking his head few my jokes so much all start this morning though with the possible death of the on side kick in the NFL. Here we go. Nfl owners are voting on a unique rule. Change that would give it to an alternative. So teams would be allowed. A fourth and fifteen from their own twenty five instead of the usually unsuccessful and oftentimes dangerous onside kick advantage high powered offenses. Nick kick things off with you. What do you think just beclere? Janai was not shaking. My head at your joke. Joke was wonderful. I was I was concerned about Lebron starting to hang out with a untoward element if you will given Tom. Brady's friend grew up with that later. In the show to start with this right now to kick off talking about the potential death of the onside kick. This would be an amazing historic change for the NFL. This would be a major major departure from how things have always been done. I think it would be a welcome change. One thing coaching. I have talked about off the air lot as far as I know people laugh. When I say this but coach I talk about Football Strategy. A lot especially when we're able to be in the same room and not quarantined is that you must avoid getting yourself in what we call an onside kick game. Where because of time scores situation? The only way you can get back in the game is by successfully recovering an onside kick and that was the belief before the NFL changed the rules and made onside kicks almost impossible to recover. Think back to the most famous comeback arguably in NFL History Falcons Patriots in the Super Bowl. One of the reasons that many of us feel like the Falcons butchered that so badly was they had many opportunities to force the Patriots into an onside game and their play calling the other way where the Patriots could just essentially run their normal offense and not have to get into and onside kick game. If you remove the onside kick entirely. The Butterfly Effects are enormous. Wilde's if you're watching the game and your team has the ball with six minutes left down seventeen. You're thinking well we probably won't win. But we score here get the conversion we could score again converted again because you would be allowed to do this twice and we could win the game without defense ever. Having to take the feel Wilde's I also wonder people say it'll be good for high bauer offenses. I wonder if it could be used against high powered offenses. Say you're playing my Kansas City. Cheap I and you're down seven minutes left. And you score a touchdown. Right you score a touchdown to tie the game. Would you consider going for it saying well? If we get it will keep the ball. And if we don't get it they'll they'll have such short field at least we'll get the ball back. I think there will be a lot of potential ripple effects from this. I love the idea of it. Wild I don't know why anyone would vote against it. I'll go even a crazy step further. That will eventually see. Oh we're playing the chiefs. We're probably going to lose. Let's try to keep them literally off the field you could theoretically score two point conversion fourth and fifteen again and again you can not you could keep the offense off the field until it's twenty four. Nothing theoretically and coach. I WanNa give some numbers to you. If I saw this rule and I worked at the Sloan Sports conference I would start cranking them right now but just for some stats. And I'M GONNA put Kornheiser here. My glasses on fourth and fifteen last year. Twenty eight point six percent small sample size to for seven previous year. Three for seven forty three percent. Then they go over Owens over six. The twenty sixteen to six thirty three percent compare that to onside kick success which in the last five seasons about thirteen percent so it feels like fourth and fifteen is much more advantageous. What happened much more often as a coach? How would you plan for this? There's a couple of things here so the NFL does have the benefit of seeing how this worked with the xfl sobriety. The legacy of the xfl gets passed. And I understand the player safety component of this as well but as you guys talk about keeping the chiefs off field look. Let's not put the Chiesa in the. You know unstoppable offense category for years and years to come like I get it. They they were. They played really well this year. But were fast forwarding. A little too much air. But we'll get back to that too but if you wanted to keep a team off the field. Typically surprise on side kick hits a lot a much higher rate than on side. Kick that people know coming so you would actually have an edge on a surprise onside kick if you're trying to keep a team off the field than you a fourth and fifteen or regular onside kick. Here's what I don't like about. Football is a complete as a all three phases of the game and this again take something away from special teams and it it it to me to have to be able to perform all three phases of the game is as important to the integrity of the game as anything. Do I think this is a wave going yet? Do I love it? No well. Nick is right. It can also help defenses but for the most part if you just look at this on its surface. This is a proposed rule that would benefit the high powered offense. And we're not talking to chiefs down the road we're talking to chiefs next year. They are a very high powered offense that nobody happier about this than Patrick. Mahomes tweeting fourth and fifteen with pair of cold sweat emojis putting the League on notice nick. How much do you think this would actually affect the Kansas City chiefs first of all General Wolfe allusive? Dating what to me? What that Emoji means no sarcasm here. I've never known that was a cold sweat. Emoji I've always wondered. Why is the guys the total sense? Great job by you Jenna. I had no idea. I now understand what that come. Your gas harder next where. I didn't know that was old. Sweat Emoji all right now. I understand cray through things. Were Fast Forwarding. Too much with the chiefs and the offense it can. We hit rewind instead have the year before they won the Super Bowl when they were the third highest scoring offense history of football and Patrick. Mahomes at five thousand yards and fifty touchdowns I mean. Just Kinda does seem like they're you know one of the all time greats offenses with one of the all time greatest quarterbacks but what do I know? The reason Patrick Mahomes is so excited about this is because last year sixteen times he dropped back to pass on third and fifteen or fourth and fifteen or longer. He was twelve of sixteen with three touchdowns on a one fifty six point three passer rating in other words. Hatrick Mahomes is better at third or fourth and super long than any other quarterback in the League is at anything. So that's why he's excited about this. But I do think this could be used against the chiefs defense to try to keep the chiefs offense off the field wilds and so I don't think there is just. It is necessarily only great for the offenses but I do think that. Obviously to coaches point nine understand we talk about head coach? Eric Mangini but prior to being head coach Eric Mangini. He was defensive coordinator. Mangini I understand why defensive coordinators and I'll kick it to you. Coach would see this and say another thing where you are tilting the scales in favor of the offenses. I love it but I understand. Why on the defensive side of the ball it might seem like you're further weighing the scales over the totally slanting it toward offense. Fourth and fifteen is not an easy conversion and it shouldn't be an easy conversion and the numbers reflect that now. Kansas City had an abnormally high success rate in in that situation and and as people go and vote for this proposal hopefully the voting Ford based on safety first and foremost and then based on how much they think. It'll add to the excitement of the game. I do think it takes away from the idea of three phases. Having to work together does it. Does it skew offensively yet? It doesn't a sense it. Typically of offense has gone down and scored they've got momentum and the the defense is is reeling to some degree so then have to come back out and make another stop. It does put you in a difficult position that being said it's not an easy conversion to complete so I see both sides of it while just quickly before we go a few points and then something I know you're GonNa like one is when we've talked butterfly effects this will lead to see into a crystal ball. This will lead to me coming into work on Monday morning. Having a team that was four point favorites and had a nine point lead with two and a half minutes left. And I've lost the bet. This will lead to some historical gambling losses by me and others out there and this will totally change the madden game forever because on Madden. Everyone's GonNa do this every time. But when we're talking about the defending champion Kansas City chiefs wilds. Quake list five things up. That has happened this off season that has made it easier for the chiefs to become a dynasty. And I'd love to see your reaction to this number five. No one created for the chiefs. Best Defensive Player Chris Jones Number Four. No one in the AFC west signed Cam. Newton got drew lock tyrod Taylor and Derek Carr who needs Cam Newton number three the chiefs offense headed. They're picking ballitser of all the running backs coming out of college because no one drafted running back before them number two eric still there and now number one you give another really offense with one of the greatest offenses ever. I would come up with a list of five ways. Things got harder for your beloved patriots but to be fair would have to be about fifty point list and we don't have the font for that nobody goes. I was praying that Jarrett. The javelin wasn't number one on the list. One final note. I think there's a TV element to this too when you look at TV ratings if you ever see a little dip. It's like well. That was a good match but it was a blowout. I think we get fewer blowouts or just more intrigued to keep the time spent doing on these Games a little bit longer number. One reason they won't repeat is because they overestimate their ability to repeat that easy side coach team heated against New England. A healthy lifestyle should be easy right. Eat veggies drink green smoothies exercise? Get your heart rate up and do yoga to bring your heart rate back down. Well maybe not so easy but there is something that helps improve everything and you can literally do it with your eyes closed. It's sleep sleep. Number knows what it takes to sleep your best the sleep number three sixty smart bed let you choose your ideal firmness comfort and support on each side. Your sleep number setting. It's the perfect solution for couples. These beds are so smart. 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Back UP THE BRINKS. Truck chiefs on just your. I don't even know if they're doing it on purpose. Money every time you the team window. They signed Patrick. Mahomes will be car dealership esque and by that I mean you go to a car dealership like how they get this f one fifty year this giant Suv and then you realize those windows windows their garage doors and they roll wide open floor to ceiling. So that's GonNa be the role window. It's going to be Florida's ceiling. Palatial open spaces as open a war. Plan as you can possibly get like. I assume COACHMAN GENIUS HIS PALATIAL Ohio Estate. So yeah going to be car dealership. Ask Coach yet look. This must be freaky Friday. Would Nick complimenting as much as he is. But I'll go to me this. This is opened. It should be open annually. And the reason I say that is when you have a great quarterback and look Patrick. Mahomes is a great quarterback. You have a chance to win the super bowl every year now. It's it's not that easy to do. It's definitely not as easy as nick. Thanks it is to do and you have to do is evolve as an organization because you do have to compensate for the lack of resources that you have because of what you pay that that quarterback and you've gotta make some other really good decisions to support them and build the team and be competitive year in and year out. You've seen a lot of great quarterbacks with only one super bowl look whether it was drew. Brees in New Orleans or Manning you know Rogers done in in Indianapolis so it's harder than you think. Nick Draw Knicks a car dealership analogies. There I think there's going to be a considerable amount of sticker shock. And here's why I put cap breaker as my really answer. The capillary now. One hundred ninety eight million five years ago. One hundred fifty five so it's an increase of twenty seven percent and nothing happened. There was no massive new deal. Netflix's get the NFL and twenty twenty two when TV rights are renegotiated. The numbers are going to go bonkers in the number that nick is going to have to pay. Patrick Mahomes to keep them in that red and white. Jersey is going to be astronomical. I can't even pick. It could be fifty million. Plus Nick over on fifty million sticker. Shock should be my answer. I put Kaffir Philadelphia Eagles. Now we got it. Steagall heap a love from hall of Famer Ladainian Tomlinson. Who said this about the birds visit team? That no one's really talking about Philadelphia is going to be scary. Must not be watching because we literally talk about them all the time but nick. Lt's comments on the eagles are blank deja Vu. What years it because I feel like this is what was said about the Eagles. One year ago today this set about what was said about the Eagles two years ago today. Look at the roster. Look at the talent. Why can't they win twelve or thirteen games? I bought into it last year. I think I had him. Twelve and four. Is the two seat like doofus. Listen at this point. The Eagles have to prove they are more than a magical six quarters of football in the second half or the final half quarters of the conference championship game and then the Super Bowl against the Patriots. I understand they were spectacular that regular season until Carson Wentz got hurt but they've now had two regular season since then when they've been at and I don't think they made these massive upgrades this off season. So I I. I'm not saying they're going to be bad. I have them in the playoffs at nine and seven as the seven seat. I think if I remembering my predictions correctly but I don't think they're going to be this juggernaut and I don't know coach. If they ever actually were juggernaut. I think this is. This is a little bit strong but I. I don't think it's totally unreasonable. And it's surprising to me Nick that you're mad at a team that that predicted unlimited success after won one super bowl. I mean that seems to be the way that it goes for every team that wants to win every year and look at the other thing is that they have a good time doing it in Philadelphia to have fun while they win. And that's that's the way that they roll. But it's it's not that easy to do and it's it's not that fun now that that being said they were pretty good last year and they had a significant amount of injuries and the injuries. Continue to be an for especially at the quarterback position. How well he can. He can sustain himself and stay healthy. That's that's a big part of this but they did make some upgrades or added some depth on the defensive line. They would dress the secondary. They added some more Weapons in receiving core. Sean Jackson's back. There's a lot of things to like about the Eagles. But it's it's still going to be a function of how well that chemistry and those parts can come together. Jen I agree with you. I wrote must be nice because when the Dania and says no one's talking about the eagles it must be nice because unfortunately our researcher dusty is an eagles fans any makes us talk about the Eagles. Twenty four hours a day. Quick story the schedule release was coming out. We foolishly said Hey. Let's kind of like highlight some big games. And then once we get where they land on the schedule will be prepared. We gave the list of dusty dusty comes back with a list of the interesting games and I swear to God. There were Twelve Eagles Games on the list of about forty days dusty. I asked him to give me a good stack. Industy said literally gave me ten more stats but smartly. He said too long didn't read just say this continuity great quarterbacking added much needed youth and athleticism. So thank you dusty dusty getting roasted out here on a Friday morning album. This guy's dusty getting it all Lebron James and Tom Brady are pairing up for works. Docu series titled Greatness Code. That will air on apple plus. So you got short goat plus Kevin's goat in one place. All that's missing Danny Aines and guys we got the TRIFECTA ray working together on a TV. Show with Danny be looped in at some point because obviously something's missing. What would that be of would be blank? We've been doing so well we've talked about this. You said teen scorned you for a decade straight. Many Times been after Sarah more text him to tell him to respond nor you that you were me and yet somehow he gets the somehow we get to open this. So we're now route eight steps backwards but to answer the question. Lebron Brady working together on TV. Show is scary and it's scary for me personally. Because one of the awed underrated parts of Lebron's career is that despite being a guy from a really top bringing coming straight out of high school into the NBA. He's had no controversies. He said no arrests. He's had no scandals and now to team up with a guy who's been embroiled in cheating scandal after cheating scandal is now you know. I think he's still being investigated for potential breaking and entering. I just I don't want Lebron to fall down the path of a kind of a bad crowd. He's kept some great people around him with the rich and Randy and maverick and now I just worry that he goes to La and he sees the bright lights of Tom Brady and all of a sudden we're going to see him on. Tmz So it's scary for me. Go to me. This is initially Michael Jordan and must see TV deeper Patrick MOMS. I don't know how you can have anything called the greatness code without including Michael Jordan. Especially after what we just saw from the previous documentary and with Patrick Mahomes. He S to look at Tom. Brady and try to emulate the things that he's done where you can handle fame and success and money and all those things that come with winning and still be able to to to push yourself in ways that other great players haven't so he gets two things fix he's able to look at those things. I think it'll help them a lot. I went with a super go Jenna. And here's why Lebron and time might be relegated to the kids table of this show when you look at the other goats that are on here. You know Lebron's got three championships. I got six ships. You saying both eight time champion. Katie decky fifteen. Time world champion and Kelly slater eleven time world champion so a lot of Goat's lined up happy to watch it all right. Good stuff. Let's end with dolphins quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick who has quarantine as a perfect excuse to zoom more and groom less when he was recently asked about as I said. There's only two people in the country that I trust to touch. This thing. Question is do those. Two people want to touch that thing. Nick Fifties Quarantine look is blank. It's career lengthening. And this is a heady play from the Harvard. Grad and here's why right. Fitzpatrick's look has become the narrative on him. Instead of the fact that I couldn't believe this when I looked up this morning he started one hundred thirty nine games. He has a hundred and sixty one. Interceptions of all active quarterbacks in football only james has a higher career interception rate than bits. Patrick but because he's a good quote he's got a great beard. We've talked about him and he gives us stay in the league. He's throwing himself out of the League years ago but he hangs around and just keep throwing it to the other team and we're like I'll look at look at that hair. Did you went to Harvard? Something and so I feel like adult ploy. I feel like is cracked the code to career longevity. The mccown brothers all should have grown beard years ago coach and they'd maybe still getting interviewed and still be starting for teams to me. This is straight out of central casting. He need like a Sherpa or some kind of Guru and put them on top of the on top of the mountain in in like a rolled so that to can climb to the modern here. The wisdom from from the quarterback the quarterback grew. He'd be He'd be perfect for that role and then that's a role he's going to have to play in Miami Jenna. I agree with Nick. We figured him out total remarketing. Hey you're Harvard nerd. No I'm not. I'm a big LUMBERJACK. Hey you're a competent game manager to know him not. According to the study we had on yesterday. Eight best passer in the league. Hey your pocket. Passer M I I love. Let the dolphins and rushing last year. Hey you're going to mentor to. Yeah I am also I'm going to compete for the starting job. Very savvy very chameleon like you don't know what the guys up to Jeddah I love it. I love it all I. We gotta take a break back here. First things first time for stories start your morning. We have some breaking news now sitting down race yourself. Dak Prescott still does not have a contract with the Dallas cowboys are restored. Saint Act and the boy do agree about the length of the deal. Sorry sorry I know. It's pump fake nick. Are you starting to worry a little bit about that? And the boys. I'm not worried about back. You're going to be fine. That's got thirty. One million in one hand hundred and ten million guaranteed and the other hand and he might drop both hands and say you know what? Let's play this thing out so I was worried about that but I do think wild started the countdown. We've got fifty four days in a few hours until the July fifteen deadline and I think it's going to be. Let me say this. That will not be signed prior to July tenth. Now maybe in those final five days it gets done but the math gets very tough for the Dallas cowboys with what Dak wants. And so I ain't Cowboy. Fans needs to be totally prepared wild for. Dak To play this thing out for another season. I agree nick. I am officially jumping fifty day deadline and moving my panic meter up two notches. I was at no worries in the world and then I think it's concern now. Moving it up to feeling antsy feeling anti coach. I used to have a dance stress-free. I'm moving it up. I don't know where you fall on this. I'm officially moving out. I'm not at all the way to the red which made read. That's the Andy Dalton alert. I'm not there yet coach to me. This is a stress free area and my panic in this world of zoom. That we're in right now. There's not a lot that that he's missing. It's not like everybody's together in the building and that he missed Ota's and and all the things that come along with that this could go. Go right to the wire. I think the panic meters going to go up when he does sign the contract and they've got make other decisions because of the amount of money he's being paid let's move onto the Tampa Bay buccaneers. Now they've already won an award and it's still may bill barnwell awarding them the teen who had the best off season in the NFL. I Guess Added Nine Super Bowl rings and Brady and Gronk is considered an upgrade coach. You agree with Barnwell what what comes with with that award you get arraigned do get a pendant like what is. Bill Barnwell and for winning the off season. That's fantastic in the off season. You win a press conference so many teams are caught up with with signing big names and look Washington redskins. You do it all the time. They'd sign guys big money. Who used to be really good? Players weren't necessarily now and I'm not saying that's the case with Tampa Bay remains to be seen how well these players are able to play in this environment and I love. Tom Brady and I believe in Tom Brady. But it's still a dramatically different situation and and a lot to learn and high expectations. So what you win the off-season thanks coach. Man Woke coach not fired up this morning. We answer the checks. Just like your. It's just a lot. It was just. It was down this morning. I gotta be honest with you. Alison I gotTa Take Nick. Nick I love. I love that you value take integrity the other thing. I know you're a big fan of Berry Berry Smart and football people which Bill Barnwell is one of them. So I don't know how you're gonNA fall on this. I feel like there's a ear in a tough spot. You I know you respect Barnwell said something totally disagree with so wherever you are gonNA fall a year or anti Brady obligated contractually show. I know that I disagree fully with Bill Barber. You're right bill. Barn will person writing about footfall. A- Barnwell is brilliant and I've said this four. I'll say it again if I were to buy NFL team the first thing I would do is appoint myself general manager. The second thing I would do is hire coachman genie's my head coach and the third thing I would do is bring Bill Barnwell into concierge team so I yes I agree with you. I actually love. What the bucks did this off season? I was in Sue Jason Beer Paul and Shaq Barrett. I think all of us thought they were going to lose one of those great front seven defenders. They brought them all back. Being able to trade up in the draft and get worse was a spectacular move getting drunk for nothing. Essentially is a great move the question. I have and I think Barnwell as and coach acts like he doesn't have it but he just kind of a little forty and slipped there. The question I have is are. They quarterback away from being a super bowl contender. That's what we'll find out this year. Are the bucks of quarterback away or did they do what Washington us to do which is signed hall of famers well past their prime woods? They may have done with one. Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. But we'll find out but I don't think barneveld awful newsroom speaking of Thomas Edward Patrick Brady warm weather. Tom's now down in Tampa. So new jets running back Frank Gore believe the AFC East is quote wide. Open Nick back to you. Is this anyone's division to win this season? Why the Future Hall of Famer Frank Gore is almost exactly right on this? I have the. Amc's going down to week. Seventeen with the bills dolphins and Patriots all alive for the division title with one week left in the season. Unfortunately that's just three of the four teams. The fourth theme is the one frank. Gore's on that's the jet. I they're going to be eliminated from postseason contention. Come around Thanksgiving. There are four win team but I do think wild wide open. I think the bills-dolphins Patriots all win between eight and ten games. I think the Patriots a good final month. Hick to end up winning the division. Look I said November nineteen twenty twenty. That's when the jets will play the Patriots and I don't think Frank Gore's wise to be giving the Patriots Bulletin Board material except for the fact that the Patriots don't need bulletin board material because there are so smart. They don't use bulletin boards. They just memorize everything coach. Frank is actually one of my favorite all time players and I agree with frank to some degree In the sense that nobody has a real proven quarterback. Nobody has shown that their quarterback can consistently lead at the highest level that or the high level that that that needs to be done. Now I like a lot of the things that buffalo has done the all season like Buffalo's mentality and an approach things I think they're the biggest threat to New England. But until you dethrone New England. It's hard to say that this is wide open. They still have bill ballots act. They still have Josh mcdaniels and they still have a really strong core and edge an edge mentally over the rest of the division quickly Gal jail. Nick Janna just quickly here. I Apologize. Coach wanted to name his youngest son. Frank after frank go work. Why vetoed him? And it's one of your favorite players. At least one of those things I just said is true. Let's not let the audience know which one it is. Go AHEAD SWITCH. Gears talks basketball now. Espn released their all time. Starting five for every team in the league so the Spurs featured Parker John Oblique. Gervin Duncan and Robinson. Hang on. Maybe he was load managing when the list came out. Nick you surprised they let off know to masses not a show that back now lease put some I can folks. Please put some respect on some of the older players names. George Gervin made seven first or second team all. Mba's with the Spurs won a handful of scoring titles with the Spurs quiet. Leonard made the All Star team twice with the Spurs. He was only a great player. In San Antonio for two seasons so get taken all parker nobly after Duncan and Robinson to be there. You can't remove the ice man. This is obviously correct. I thought he did a spectacular job on this for twenty nine of their thirty teams. The one outlier is that they left off. Kevin McHale in favor of Paul Pierce which is just indefensible. And I just wanted to fit that into put wild in a bad spot or go no look. We'll get Paul Pierce later on the more outrageous thing to me coach Jenner. Was that the Celtics all time. Starting five left off Danny Age. Thank you thank you thank you. I'd have to say it. I think you love you. Wilde's Alfred but I think on both points I think there's this rush roster put new players head of of of traditionally successful players. Just because it's more for a fresher in our minds not having Kevin McHale on on the starting five me. Oh Ben Choosing Paul Pierce over him is having a calendar lettuce. Transit coach are good. Now we're done let's drain into something new here on. I think first. Wilde's breaking down everything that happened throughout the week. He's going to hand out a bronze silver and gold medal. You know what that means something. We are calling this. Wait what Olympia wild my friend. What Olympiad thank you Jennifer. What would the endless scroll of Social Media and the revolutions of the news cycle? There's occasionally some stories that make say wait what the goal goes to. Oh no sorry already. The bronze goes to Lebron jeans and yesterday's delightful finale of game of zones lebrons. Coronation was disrupted by skeptical Chorus Downing Goat Status Shocked by the development. Lebron look to his most loyal supporters. Saying what where's Nick? Right only be to be born. They had been eaten by a dragon making matters worse for Nick. The newly crowned goat was not a fan of taking was a fan of the truth. This silver is going to Jordan one this autographed Jordan. One set the record for a shoe sale for five hundred sixty thousand dollars. A player exclusive Jordan one different from the consumer model better leather lower-profile in a leaner Nike check. Here's the funny part. Also two different sizes Jordan size thirteen on the left foot and at thirteen and a half on his right foot. Never knew this. I've been joined Stanford thirty years so what we're all trying to be like. Mike TURNS OUT. We were all half size off now. These steamed gold medal is going to the Mat in times. Check down simulation. Wait for the graphic here Bingo now. Look while most computer simulations conjure up paralyzing that our physical bodies are suspended in a VAT of neon green. Who's while sentient yet? Soulless robots plunged their digital fangs into our brainstorm to drain us of our very essence. The plus side is that these men simulations actually pretty interesting if we can look at the stats here in their newest standings. We've got the chiefs playing mighty. Well the Ravens are playing great. The browns are playing great unfortunately my patriots to and eight coach. I don't know what's going on but if it keeps my mind off of being a stuck any bat of ood taking graduations Madden Madden. Check down simulation. Today's gold medal winner in the. What Olympiad Nick? This is a great news segment. You nailed it. My only Gra teak would be. I would have had the Lebron name checking me slightly higher on the list. Certainly higher than Jordan's old stinky sneakers but aside from that a plus worked by Kevin Wild spectacular jobs yeah with a field of eight current and former NFL players battling to support those most impacted by Cova nineteen through the feeding America charity. We're now joined by Ravens. Whiteout marquees Hollywood brand will be one of those eight players participating Hollywood. Good morning to you. Thanks for being with US I of all just tell us about the whole madden experience. Good morning guys is better fine. Just THE BE OUT PLAN. Madinat getting to interact with other. Nfl players and fans in a different way in this Sherman's just WANNA I just want to show America Hollywood's. Been staying busy because some of the videos that you've put out her really impressive. You turn your driveway basically into a gym. You workout all day every day. Is it hard not being able to train out of facility with your teammates? Although you look like you look like you're doing just fine if I may say kind of different but you know it gives you a time to reflect native Jump on facetime. 'cause VIDEO 'CAUSE. I trained with SOME MARTINEZ OVER THAT. So in those Find Different ways they know. Get better every day. Hollywood September of Twenty Sixteen. You're at College of the canyons and working part time at six flags if my research is correct seven number of twenty nineteen. You're you've got one hundred fifty yards in two touchdowns in your first career. Nfl game is a first round. Pick changed for you in a very short period of time. Can you tell me about what what it was like going from? College of the canyons. Six flags time to starring in your first. Nfl Game and just thirty six months. It was a quick turnaround on Najd. Give all the glory guy you know just for me in the situation is to not thriving and I just had to take every opportunity that I that I got into his ran. Wigan best pretty much Now get opportunity in on the outages. Do my best to make the most of Hollywood. You had two screws in your foot. Last year still had a great season. What's the ceiling for this year? Got Takes me no ever. Ah leads me to offense. Having a great year if is not just WANNA be my best to help. Martine you know be as successful as possible. I'd Hollywood. I gotTa Talk to you about your your track record with quarterbacks because it's been so impressive sophomore year at Oklahoma Baker Mayfield Guy. Wins The heisman junior year at Oklahoma Kyla Murray? The guy wins the heisman. Rookie year. Your quarterback Lamar Jackson he wins the MVP. What all these three guys have specifically in common and. Who Do you think has made you the best receiver of? They all have a common in fact that they want to win. You know very badly. They are share. That common goal of you know whatever it takes you know they expect you to be where you need to be derived farm in. They WANNA win. You know so those guys do not have the utmost respect for As far as who made me better I think it was probably Because coming in Baker I was like a young guy you know. I didn't play like the first few games than you not came in in a everybody was clicking united. Had to find my way in China. Help the team as much as I can. But you know that nature coming in I sure started. I was on the guy that was already planning so this getting that connection with him in the summer really showed me how the bill chemistry with a quarterback. You know Lee up until sees Hollywood. Your connection with Lamar goes back to your youth. Where you guys didn't I think I'm right on. This didn't play on the same pop warner team. But you played in the same Pop Warner League. Any legendary Lamar Jackson stories from youth of embracing some poor kids ankles or just carrying a team. That's every day every Saturday. You noticed that he do now. He did the same thing since it was he was young. He was the only quarterback to thirty ball when we relied nine years old. So you know just seeing him now what he's able to accomplish Is Rain Smile to my face. Hollywood the Ravens on the field highlights excellent right. You guys went fourteen into the off. The field highlights from the press conferences to some locker room videos the NFL released. It's just seems like you guys have an amazing chemistry. We had mark Ingram on the show earlier this week and he talked about special. The team was can you tell a story that or or give us a glimpse on what makes the team so special in this unique chemistry that the Ravens have. I think is just you know coming into the League you know. Everybody told me that you know the locker going to be different from college. There's not that much excitement. He knows about business but when I came into the Ravens Those it was fine. No everybody is is therefore each other. You know music dance around you know but when his down business you know we fly around. We're practice we've flying around you know God's giving you tips to how to get better and this is a fun environment you know. Every body like become come in every Friday every Thursday. You know they got the Music Plan. You know guys dancing inches. We're going to you know Walk through in his is. Dan Lockdown Dan Silent. And then you know I would be able to turn it on and turn it off like that you know is a special team. That's funny Hollywood. That's what we do before the show Dan things like thirty minutes. And then we dial in and we get ready to go. Do me a favor. Please tell me what big trust means. Everyone tries to explain to me. I didn't quite get it. What does it mean? What did it mean to that team? What's the new motto this year going to be? I don't know I mean I can't man you know South Florida South Florida guard South Florida Guy Tries Song that you know. We grew up on that for you. Know the the Davin Dan more Ingram being a personality that he is you know he. He made a big big trust. You know this is fine this the everybody rallied around something so small and make it so big. You know not. The motto is going to be this year but whatever. It is known reasons on standby a quarterback wherever he went around. One of the most underrated coaches in the. Nfl is your head coach. John Harbaugh is even underrated amongst his family. Jim Harbaugh gets all the headlines. At Michigan for some of his history. Onyx John Doe. I've heard from players has a famous hot streak to him as well. We just don't always get to see it. Tell us something maybe about your coach that the audience doesn't know if you would megan's fired up You know is a guy that can get you going. You know even on the sidelines. You come make a player. You don't make a play. You know he gets he. Gets YOU FIRED UP? But he also knows how to talk to you knows how to get you at mindset. Get you ready to go you know. He's a great coach real quick. We got about thirty seconds. Left your mom told you when you were young or say things out loud. Put Him in speak into existence so the ravens are going to the Super Bowl. Who Will they be playing this year on the WHO go flair stove? Go so I'll be ready. Hollywood thank you so much for joining us all the best to on the Madden twentieth for such a good cause and good luck with the season this year. I think. A lot of people are rooting for the Baltimore. Ravens to do some really big things. We really really appreciate you being with us. We gotta go that it for us have a green weekend. Everybody first things first back here Monday morning. Take care everyone.

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Growing Pains In Arizona

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Growing Pains In Arizona

"In the montgomery county maryland courthouse there are thousands of pages of documents detailing the horrific murders of three innocent people soon as i heard the details i knew my dad was involved right away. Instantly assumes lawrence but at the time of the murders lawrence horn was clear across the the country. I'm jasmine morris from iheartradio and hit home media. This is hitman listened. Subscribe at apple podcasts on the iheartradio radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts thanks for listening to the heard podcast be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern eastern nine to noon pacific on fox sports radio and f s one find your local station for the hurt at fox sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard the three. You're listening to fox sports radio <music>. This friday is the her wherever you may be and however you may be listening we are live in los angeles carlos on iheartradio fox sports radio an f. as juan joy tanner's off today veteran newsman john who lay will be accessing all the latest breaking news. It's a very exciting friday. Look at my <hes> my guest today urban meyer eric. Mangini ingenious got video peter king tom to lesko chargers g._m. J mack has <hes> tomorrow's headlines today a couple of hours very very exciting so so you know i'm watching a preseason stuff last night and it's very easy to just discard everything from preseason right like it doesn't matter. Don't watch it but be very careful about that. The coaches are watching. The coaches are making selections. It's preseason bill ballot. Check will cut guys based on performances last night it matters these are pro football players and you don't go crazy on you. Don't want to sound ridiculous as a sports caster saying this is great. This is terrible but there are moments. Dak prescott blew everybody away in the pre reason i was a doubter. I'm like come on gimme a break. It mattered it showed us who dak prescott was he wasn't intimidated by the moment is the cowboy quarterback outta college coach victor cruz. A wide receiver undrafted out a u. Mass had a great pre season. He went on to lead the giants. The next three years in catches victor cruz. I had an unbelievable preseason so it matters. Coaches are making decisions on film of games it matters. Here's what also matters it's easy to spot bad. Arizona's bad cliff kingsbury looks over his head and cuyler murray are- is not throwing the ball down the field in that game last night for arizona. I don't care what you wanna. Say oakland lead twenty-six. Nothing oakland moved the ball. All it will oakland's defense doesn't offer much kind of murray running for his life couldn't throw the ball accurately down the field they they have vance joseph who bounced around the league got fired in denver now. He's the defensive coordinator. Obviously the players are not aligned with what vance joseph trying into do kyle or murray looks small again. He has had five drive so far in the preseason thirty three yards thirteen yards minus six yards urged minus ten yards minus ten yards now. I know he's young and another offensive line is terrible. Josh rosen had to be watching that you know with a little smirk but remember remember. Arizona didn't just hire a college coach. Arizona hired a super young college coach. They didn't just hire a college college coach who struggled. They hired a college coach who had a terrible record at texas tech listen. It's hard to spot great in in sports. It's easy to spot bad. Chuck pagano fake punt against new england. Oh you got to fire him. Marquel foltz number one pick for the sixers oh crap. He can't shoot. He's a shooter. It is easy to spot bad in sports now. Spotting very good in great can be difficult. There are a lot of players in the n._f._l. And the n._b._a. There late bloomers they work in certain systems. They don't work in other systems. I mean nobody would deny that. Tom brady with ballot. Check doc is magic. Tom brady with a bad coach. May not be as magic so spotting good and great. It can be difficult. You have to really watch. Some guys are good in certain systems customs. <hes> some guys are good with certain coaches. Some guys are late. Bloomers physically emotionally but bads easy to spot in arizona right now is bad. That's the worst team. I've seen in the preseason. They look disorganized disjointed. The defense is a mass cuyler murray's not throwing the ball down the field so i'm gonna go out on a limb and have a a strong opinion this morning about the preseason the miami dolphins and the arizona cardinals will not win their division based on what i've seen in the pre season okay and in the n._f._l. By the way is not forgiving okay. I just want you to think about this. Think about all the years pete. Carroll has been coaching in the n._f._l. Position coach coordinator head coach he gives to face cliffs kingsbury twice think about the mismatch in analogy experience personnel that pete care will have twice against arizona clip kingsbury and that's not a shot at cliff cliff smart but he had a losing record look bad record nineteen and thirty five at texas tech and you can say well. It's texas tech. Mike leach coach there. He was great bowl game every year winning record so listen when you're all modifiers you nobody's alma mater wants to fire him cliff kingsbury alma. The modern fired him okay they didn't want to do that. That's the last thing ever want to do but what. I'm watching arizona right now. You know it's it's bad like you can't can't just say well. It's a different offense ninna. No nobody wants to look terrible. In the preseason. New england played detroit in the preseason season and new england jumped out boom boom drive touchdown drive touchdown new england. This year has a young team younger than last year. They'll have eight or nine players in the last two drafts who are getting substantial time they wanna leave a positive imprint on their players. They're going to take this stuff seriously. Tom brady's yonne screaming guys yesterday in practice. Don't tell me preseason doesn't matter at all of course it does. It's where we saw. Victor cruz tony romo by the way had a great preseason season game goulet probably remember this and people went who the hell's tony romo he's undrafted from eastern illinois remember that john yeah parcells played in the entire game didn't bring didn't start the starter starter and didn't bring in a third stringer yeah so it matters arizona looks bad disjointed innovation by the way we've got sean mcveigh kyle shanahan and appea- carol. They're pretty good. They're pretty good are thought about this and again i want to i want to shift gears but i wanna talk about something again. It's not aw big but it something aaron. Rodgers odell beckham hurt again odell beckham smith sixteen of his last thirty two games. He's hurt again not saying it's a major injury but it something aaron rodgers was supposed to play last night. He had a tight back. He missed the start listen. He's had a concussion. He's had had missed seven games with a broken collarbone then he missed nine games of the broken collarbone yet a sprain mc l. You and i both know he was healthy. In about seven games last year eight max it's not the end of the world but i do think there are five quarterbacks in this league cam newton jimmy garoppolo carson wentz andrew luck and aaron rodgers and they're all very talented some more talented than others locks more talented. Did i think than cam and garoppolo aaron could be more talent than all of them except maybe carson wentz but of those five quarterbacks ask yourself now. Marcus mariota biota and derek carbon hurt too but i'm not sure their teams are fully committed to them right now. Regardless these are five quarterbacks aaron andrew cam carson jimmy the teams are emotionally and financially totally committed these five arguable hall of famers and ask yourself this. If any one of these during the season including aaron rodgers suffered an injury those teams would have to consider drafting rafting a quarterback high next year and it sounds ridiculous right but errands thirty-five had injuries has had an ad lib style style that can put him in the crosshairs of contact. That sort of sounds like brett farve brett farve was dinged up though we played aide at about thirty five he had an ad lib style that sometimes put him in the crosshairs of contact. Who did the packers draft. When brett brett farve was thirty-five aaron rodgers listen green bay has addressed all of their personnel issues news in the last two years. They need corners linebackers a center and a tight end. They've drafted. All of them and i think they've drafted well. I i love the tight end from texas. Am i love the center. They got from mississippi state. So green bay has addressed their issues. Green bay enters this season young at certain in positions like corner young at certain positions like maybe center but they're not untalented. They're not the new york jets that. I'd have a whole that corner. They're not the texans that have a hole in their offensive line. Unit green bay could absolutely next year in their first or second. Pick say eh drafting a quarterback. I mean what is green bay need. They went out and solve their linebacker issues. They got a free agent. Safety drafted one that was a whole no longer they've addressed corner center tight end and they've always developed very smartly offensive and defensive linemen so you think about this in the n._f._l. N._f._l. You have to be proactive not react to a disaster. This is why bill belichick four years. Even when tom brady was in his prime every other year he would draft a quarterback with a pretty good draft pick. This is why the rams last year even though todd gurley is still l. a. horse they went undrafted with their second. Pick a running back in fact traded up to get him. This is why carolina went out and got will greer. You know ron. Rivera knows in the n._f._l. You can't react to disaster. You have have to be proactive. Rogers luck cam whence jimmy. Those are the five guys those organizations nations are fully financially emotionally committed an injury for any one of those guys. Are you going to tell me of jimmy. Garoppolo gets hurt in week. Six that kyle shanahan is not going to call his g._m. John lynch they're not going to have lunch. Sit down and go. Hey we gotta have a plan here. You know kyle. Shanahan was like this is my first n._f._l. Job can not going into a season with c._j. Beathard innate mullins play games. We gotta go after another quarterback. Are you going to tell me green bay if aaron rodgers gets hurt again mark murphy's not sitting there thinking hey this is what we drafted aaron. Tobacco brett farve arve. We got to start thinking about this stuff. Carolina did it last year with will greer and as much as i like andrew luck listen if he if he misses the first two games to start the year and then week twelve gets hurt again. You're gonna draft a quarterback. The colts have already addressed corner offensive line. They've already addressed fast running back linebacker pass rusher. I'm not saying the culture great at everything or the packers are great everywhere but they don't have a big holes in their organization in their unit in their personnel. As much as i like andrew luck if he gets banged up again mid season you you gotta think about drafting another quarterback that is just the truth alright good today. Sam darnold was spectacular the last night and i i'm going to say something may not sit well with the american media but <hes> john. I think you know i am an american rabble rouser and i know that to nineteen seventy-four word nineteen fifty four perhaps nineteen forty eighty four maybe but i i noticed something in the media. I wanna make sure i clarify my opinions on baker and sam darnold darnold was great again last night. What a shock. That's coming up be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine a._m. Pacific on fox sports radio one and the iheartradio app. Hey i'm andy if you don't know me. It's probably because i'm not famous but i did start amends. Grooming company called harry's the idea for harry's came out of a frustrating experience. I had buying razor-blades. Most brands were overpriced over designed and out of touch at harry's. Our approach is simple. 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Smarts accuracy athletic ability instincts instincts three drives nearly perfect. It was really impressive. You know i like sam darnold but before i go into the craziness of sam darnold and he last night between the giants and the falcons. He's just a tremendous player. You know don't forget he's bigger than baker mayfield he stronger than baker mayfield. He's more athletic than baker mayfield. I feel i mean hell. He played linebacker in high school and basketball and he's also. I think more mature than baker mayfield. That's not to say baker's not going to succeed in the n._f._l. Baker here's going to have success in the n._f._l. But where you enter sport is not even sam darnold played twenty less games in college than baker mayfield sam darnold two years younger than baker mayfield. Sam darnold did not have great college coaches. His coordinator t martin got fired in his his head coach. Clay helton wins ten games this year or he gets fired baker mayfield had bob stoops baker mayfield had in my opinion the best offensive coach by a mile in college football ball lincoln riley kate so he had baker had more starts older not good college coaching great college coaching then he goes is to cleveland where he gets odell beckham jarvis landry nick chubb david giokoo those are those are good weapons. Those are amazing weapons in fact cleveland's got got so much damn talent. They could trade duke johnson johnson going to play for cleveland. They had so much talent. They traded an offensive lineman to the giants a really good offensive linemen and interior linemen so cleveland as a surplus of offensive talent for a guy. That's two years older had great college college coaching but in the media nobody i should say very few of us have the courage to go against the grain and say darnold is better. He's not better now 'cause he's younger entered the league with nothing to work with had to me. Average below average college coaching but darnold arnold now has a running back not graded line an upgraded coach a legitimate slot receiver now. The jets aren't perfect. You know they've got a center that had had to come out of retirement. They don't have a number one receiver. They're terrible at corner. They won't be a great football team. There's still a draft in a free agent signing period away from being really he really a playoff caliber team at the highest order cleveland could get there this year why because they've got more good players for baker mayfield but i remember years ago shack and kobe the lakers made a choice and they said bub shack. We're going to keep kobe and i said at the time it was the right move but it wouldn't feel like the right move for two years because shack act went to a team willing to complete compete for a title he went to d. wade in miami and so for two years. Everybody was like you're wrong. Colin lakers are wrong. They chose chose the wrong. Guy know that shows the right guy but the answer to every puzzle isn't solved immediately kobe and i had this sourced at the highest levels of the lakers front office. Kobe was practice player. Kobe was better with his body. Kobe was more committed. Kobe was more focused. Colby had more great years left in the end. It was proven the lakers made the right choice but that doesn't work on social media that doesn't work on twitter. That doesn't work today. It's like who's winning now. Who looks good now. That's the future. No it's not tyree gavin's one rookie of the ear steph curry was in the same class. Michael carter williams win rookie of the year janas and victoria depot or the same class now. I'm not insisting that baker is tyree kevin's or victory depot. I think baker is going to have a really really nice career but if you're telling me i've always said about quarterbacks. It's about twelve years. I don't give a rip about your rookie year. I don't even count peyton manning's rookie year. I don't care what it was. I don't care about andrew lucked rogier. I don't care about any of these guys rookie. Here's what i care about about midway point to your ear and on. That'll tell me who you are if you're not connecting middle of your second year if you're not picking stuff up like i don't think kyle murray is gonna star. I do think the arizona situations amass but i'm not gonna totally judge cuyler murray. I don't think all of his issue. He's got a bad d._c. The coach is a college coach coach but but i'll say it again and i don't care if it gets any blowback 'cause i couldn't give a rip. I've spent twenty five years now. Get rid of people think about my opinions. I've got him sourced. I believe leave it. I trust people and i trust my instincts and is sam darnold for twelve to fourteen years. I'll take him over baker. He just entered the league at a really bad point. Josh rosen entered in a tough spot. Lamar jackson entered baltimore ravens. I mean the baltimore ravens over the last ten years have a very good infrastructure that allowed lamar jackson to look better than josh rosen first year by a mile. Who do i think those about our football. Josh rosen. I think if you put josh rosen and baltimore and lamar dr jackson in miami and arizona it wouldn't look the same so take all this stuff is nobody in the media ever wants to take blowback of my i'll take sam darnold twelve fourteen years size athletic ability durability toughness athletic ability maturity over baker not not saying baker won't work but what i am saying is nobody's willing to just say darnold was number one on significantly more more draft boards than baker that is not disputable just not cleveland's who also the record johnny manziel in the first round he was not even on on most of the best teams draft boards veteran newsman john goulet on the news. This is the third line news cbs last night. We were supposed to finally see aaron. Rodgers play and not audible in matlock floors new systems play an entire quarter but just before before the game <hes> they decided to hold rodgers out for precautionary reasons. I guess he has a his back tightened up. This means next thursday against the raiders will likely be our only shot and see them in the preseason presumably is not gonna play before so we'll get to see how he looks in this new scheme packers coach matt leflore talked about rogers not taking taking any snaps yet. I think we'd like to see him but you're talking about a veteran quarterback since played a lot of football <hes>. I don't think it's necessarily it's a necessity but it's certainly something that we'd like to see any concern that rogers. He's complaining about the audible systems now any concern. He's not taking any any reps against real. There's no but i do think odell beckham being dinged up aaron being dinged up it is the reality of their bodies now like you can't deny odell. Beckham's missed sixteen of his last three games. You can't deny that erin is not big to begin with tends to be a little bit of an ad liver is taken some really serious collarbone bone injuries. Yes i think this is the reality that aaron rodgers and either way. This is the same thing for andrew luck their physical realities now. They're rarely early one hundred percent that that's just the reality of andrew luck and aaron rodgers. Aaron gets dinged up aaron. Ed's dinged up look when you watch him in practice. He's not a big guy. He's not carson in west the fact that they they are holding him out while he's learning a new system. Isn't that tell you that not that. He was too injured to play but obviously they're. They're concerned that he could get hit again and then obviously he tends to break down but he tends to get hurt. Errands gonna win. The division. Aaron is going to have a tremendous year but you you're being intellectually truly dishonest. If you don't acknowledge what's going on with his body. Andrew luck's body carson wentz his body by the way cams body. Jimmy garoppolo's flows body. Their organizations are one injury to any of those guys from having a meeting privately upstairs <hes> so most of let's go on vacation especially to mexico we usually put on a few pounds after drinking and eating everything in sight not zeke <hes> he's in kabul hobart according to adam schefter. He has actually slimmed down while he's been down there to twenty. That's about ten pounds lighter than it was early. This offseason members somebody call them fat at one point and he got on the scale and it was like two thirty looking pretty cut <hes>. I don't know if it's a great thing for a back with power to losing weight but whatever seems to be looking good if they get a deal done with zeke. Do you have any concern he can just pop in whenever they get the deal done and play that sunday and be fine yeah he doesn't that doesn't zimbabwe. He's a young athlete running back his a position where you can play you can't he knows the cowboys offense overwhelmingly. I have zero concerns about that. <hes> the bigger our concerns with zeke is if you give him a pile of money. Does he go antonio brown does he go cuckoo for cocoa puffs and become incredibly difficult to manage. I think that's that's a very legitimate concern to me. This part of this was the image where we talked about this before that while we understand he's not going to kabo party. It doesn't look great when your team is at camp and you're in kabul this to me feels a little bit like he wants to remind everyone. Hey i'm not doing tequila shots down here. I'm working out and i'm saying trim kind of helping his public image image yeah by the way it's we all know this. Nobody disputes. He's a great player. All this money talk always comes down to. He's a great player. That's not the argument right. It's two years before his contract is up and had judicial issues every off-season. Those are the only issues not that he's shaping that he can play and finally another running back holding out is melvin gordon and he is still not shown up apparently that is is not gonna end anytime soon according to adam schefter <hes> no new deal is in sight. He said on twitter last night. Charters melvin gordon have not made progress towards a new deal per sources. Gordon still wants to return in time for the regular season but he is prepared to sit out. If no new deal is reached per source so i i ran into him and then there and we had a an eye. Here's what's funny about this melvin. Gordon told me what he wanted to the airport. Yeah i know i have talked to the chargers front office. I know what they offered with him. It's not that far apart now. It may be in terms of guaranteed dollars but in terms of what he is seeking per year and what the chargers are offering are not not that far apart now. I think the chargers would like to front load some of the money to protect themselves on the back end of the deal. They may have a year issue like somebody. Eddie may want three years. They're offering two or but but the money per year is not that far off well. You talked to him brislin therefore chargers g._m. Thomas alaska will be on the show about forty five minutes. Maybe you can broker a deal on the two of them. You can save the chargers this year. That's a really you know. I like saving america america as a general rule. That's a really good thought john veteran newsman john july well. That's the news thanks for stopping by. Dr heard line so i i. This is a great great teaching moment by tom brady so i'm going to show you a piece of tape in about two minutes here merrill. Was it earlier this week greg or was it last week. When i said i got great advice gentleman my first job out of college. He was is a former baseball coach. He was my first real boss. His name was larry. Ken top recently passed away and he gave me great advice that i've used in my life and he was talking about out when he used to be a baseball coach if he had to deliver bad news to somebody or be critical of one of his players. He said he'd put his arm around him as he chewed him out letting them know i'm your guy but i got to deliver bad news. I've used that as a parent before when i talked to my son or my daughter lovingly tell them i'm not really happy but how stuff lands for young people you know so you can bark. I'm an older guy. I can bark at somebody and think yeah they get it but it can be to devastating too harsh too intense and so i've learned that through the years is if i have have to deliver bad news. There is a more elegant <hes> sand papered away a little more refined way to deliver it so remember when baker baker mayfield gotten a little trouble duke johnson said i something about wanting more carries baker called him out publicly and then brown teammates rates went and confronted baker on this. This is how you do it now. Think about this so new england got some young receivers right now. Gronk is retired and elements woman's out with an injury so brady and camp is dealing with all sorts of young guys mikhael harry the rookie brockton barrios who's a wide receiver who they drafted last year out of the university of miami. He's dealing with a lot of young guys in camp right now. So grant retired elements out in tomorrow's thomas by the way is is still rehabbing his injury so one veterans out to or hurt so tom could bark a little more those guys but he had braxton berrios areas in a practice yesterday and braxton berrios missed an assignment and tom was asked about it after the practice and i want you to listen to how carefully tom brady chooses his words and you can't see this on radio. You will see it on tv. How he is thinking about how this is going to land he smiling when he delivers criticism about braxton berrios so watch watch and listen carefully to a real master putting his arm around you as he kicks in the arse. Tom brady. I think so much him expect didn't the ball to be a certain place in me expecting him to be a certain place and i think the chemistry between a quarterback and receiver a quarterback tight end so important because you know it's paul intensification if you're waiting for things to happen in the n._f._l. You're too late you got just wait and expect them to be a certain way and that's the way they turn out and i have obviously a lot of experience so i know where guys should be so. I'm trying to tell them if you wanna ball. This is where you gotta be which is hopefully a good learner those guys teaching for me. Hopefully it's good learning for them. It's good teaching for me. You see that how carefully constructs it very smart very adult not chewing out. What tom's also saying is all ghost you. If you don't run the right route. That's what he does to josh gordon and randy moss member. Josh gordon was one of his favorite targets than he had some personal problems. They face the steelers only to target the josh gordon tom wants. I want you to be fully committed. Fully prepared fully focused. He'll ghost you in games. He won't throw to you so yesterday and practice. A young guy made a mistake but the way he delivers delivers. The message is adult. Not accusatory not too harsh pry barked at him during the practice but then when the media asks about him baker kerr mayfield take this as a subtle gesture of learning be playful in fact yesterday it was funny that was a twitter moment for brady as a one of the new rookies for the patriots went and tried to be socrates on twitter aristotle and said lola nece loneliness is young ambitions ladder aware to the climber upward turns his face but when he wants attains the utmost round he then unto the ladder turns his back looks into the cloud scorning warning the base degrees by which he did ascend julius caesar act two scene one shakespeare brady responded on twitter studier playbook playful fund tell you have to deliver messages when you're the quarterback especially a young teammates but your arm around him when you're kicking their ass. It's called coaching. Brady doesn't wanna coach but it's really smart and it's why why is the goat not snarky as certain quarterbacks can be in green bay not above it all not cocky not provide auto supportive during criticism fun likeable during criticism urban meyer's around the corner peter king to it's the her be short. A catch live editions the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine a._m. Pacific pay clay travis host of the outkick the coverage podcast join me every day as i give you the nation strongest opinions opinions on the biggest stories in sports if you're looking for a sports podcasts at smart original funny and authentic outkick the coverage clay travis the perfect podcast for you you i even recently launched a brand new podcast called wins and losses with clay travis which featured long form conversations with the biggest names in sports business and entertainment listen apple podcast or the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts it's great to have you and we are absolutely packed today eric mangini next hour peter king thom tillis. Let's go to l._a. Chargers they gotta hold out situation with melvin gordon who i ran into at the airport in vegas about a week ago. He's a great kid. I didn't think i left it very encouraged but i read read this morning. They're not close. I'm discouraged the college football seasons right around the corner. We know who's going to be really good to lot of the same teams alabama alabama georgia clemson. I think michigan will be very interesting on offense washington. Watch out and then there's one mystery team to me and with that. I want to go to my friend. Urban meyer coward global satellite network three national titles. The mystery team to meet coach is texas so they have a quarterback quarterback sam etlinger. I like him a lot. He's got some tibo qualities. I don't know about the next level but boy. He's a leader boy. He is tough but here's what i don't know coach. I i look the n._f._l. Draft and i don't see a lot of longhorns going high in the draft so my question is where they just plan on energy last year. How good is there personnel. Is it clemson bam. How how how do i tell calling we talked about this briefly and i actually had long conversation at a great friend of mine and you get these recruiting rankings and the only rankings it really matter obviously one loss and championships one however the n._f._l. Keep score core for ya the n._f._l. Draft tells you how the recruiting rankings went and when he told me the texas had to draft picks last year in houston at four. That's very alarming however however when you see what tom herman's done recruiting the last couple of years he loves a receiver colin johnson. Eleazar is a stud like you said he's a great leader. That's where it all all starts. I'm picking texas one of the surprise teams of the year this year yeah. They beat georgia obviously at the end of the ballgame but they were really highly motivated baited. I'm not sure georgia was motivated so i don't want to overreact to that ballgame. I did like what i see. I wanna talk about lincoln riley and oklahoma. You know coach coach. There were times. Your name was thrown out for n._f._l. Positions but you have told me for years. You're a college guy not an n._f._l. Guy at never interested you. You did ballot check. What is certainly hire a thousand times and you could have gotten ahead job but that wasn't your thing. Lincoln riley is interesting. He's young he his his offense looks like we're the n._f._l.'s going. Do you think that temptation will be tough for lincoln riley to say no to over time i do and and i don't know lincoln riley very well competed against him a couple times have great respect for him but the one thing that's changed in college football was recruiting calendar and and you know whether it's good or bad that's still to be determined however the life the livelihood and and just personal life of college coaches nonstop you you have recruiting weekends. Now in may and june are rarely around your players. July's your time off and then you're back at it so i've heard this from other coaches that it's ah very appealing now just the calendar lifestyle n._f._l. Coach versus a college coach. I've had coaches of my own gone onto the n._f._l. Coach you ought to check this out because because it's all football you're not deal what the day to day grind recruiting right. Now is twenty four seven at places like oklahoma ohio state alabama clemson. You're all on the same players players. Can you know those other coaches are great recruiters. You have to put in a time and effort of your program gets very bad quickly so i once again i don't have. I don't know oh lincoln. I just know the lifestyle of the n._f._l. Coach right now is different than that of college. We were talking about during the break there some really good n._f._l. Quarterbacks they've sustained injuries and they tend to be guys who can move a little bit carson wentz cam newton andrew luck who are very mobile when you had a college system. You preferred word pocket guys but you like pocket guys who can move a little bit. Maybe movement over mobility. It's funny about oklahoma because you know jalen hurts <music>. A even baker has got its capability. I worry about that with oklahoma. I look at that offense and i think man that is a lot of vulnerability honorability for quarterbacks running around. Do you think college coaches now are struggling with this that the game's about space and that put at your quarterback in really tough situations. Would you still today prefer pocket over mobile. I take what's happened. I can speak to my time and right now. We'll how states going through. What i imagine oklahoma's going through without really talking to them is the quarterback that can run as the equalizer. It's just talking about equate numbers. They don't account for so the quarterback run for years the equalizer the quarterback that can escape sack and get the twenty twenty five yard run. Everybody wants that the quarterback that sits like a tree in the pocket that unless they're the tom brady's or an incredible accurate quarterback. She loved to play against those guys. The guys can move however with a transfer portal with team with players leaving your backup. I couple joe borough leaves. Hostility becomes a starter at l._s._u. Jalen hurts your brandon wimbush. These quarterbacks just leave now this leaves that's that's great for them but it leaves a real issue as a backup at the at the school. So how often you want your quarterback. It hit jalen hurts. Obviously i don't know if they named him the starter. We're not sure who's behind him. I know what they'll have state. You have justin fields. Do they feel good about who's behind them if they don't that's a that puts a coach in a very precarious every situation about how often want to run them and getting bit by the way i watched dwayne haskins now in the first couple of weeks and i think both of us agreed. I think he's going to work in the n._f._l. But i hope they don't overwhelm early. I do think he's a guy. That's got a high ceiling but it's gonna take time. Some guys are more ready to play early so i watched him this past week. He delivered a cop of really really nice strikes down the field. I i wiki looked a little overwhelmed. It looks like coach. Dwayne haskins may be forced to play as a rookie so tell a redskin fan watching today. Is he a quick learner. What is his strength. What could he do immediately. In your opinion at the pro level well dwayne wayne haskins is the most accurate passer i've had that includes alex smith and some other great players i've had he only played one year however accuracy his arm strength are all oh n._f._l. Style so much of the quarterback plane. I remember when alex smith i got picked by the redskins and he to that up to that point it was one of the best part is i've ever ever seen and he really struggled but he struggled because the forty niners are bad on both sides of the ball they don't surround them with good players and yet it became alex smith issue that he wasn't a good n._f._l. N._f._l. quarterback this is going to be key. Who's going to be which is obvious but who's gonna be around going haskins if they put them with very talented guy. I'm telling you he's good enough to get the ball there and as far as a quick learner he's a brilliant guy you know last year is barely touched and it wasn't because people blitz you obviously his ability the identify the defense flip the protection to get the blitz picked up was about as good as we've been around so learned quick incredibly accurate great arm strength. You've the question is what surrounded what's what kind of players are surrounding well. I watched this past week against cincinnati and we're watching videos. We talk to you here. He gets rid of the ball. He was very the exciting. I mean it was like i watched them and i thought okay. This is the guy wanna see s- okay finally now so here we go. We're getting ready for college football. You've you've looked at all the conferences we've done s._e._c. Big ten. We've done big twelve today. You'll do pac twelve later. Is there a team. You've seen we've got about about a minute left a team. You have seen any of these conferences that you look at on tape and you think colin. This is a top ten team. That's not getting love. You've seen any of those and yet the one that i spent a lot of time with joe borough. We came home and i know there are top ten team but they're not getting because of alabama in georgia. They're not getting quite the attention that maybe i think they're do and joe borough loves his team at l._s._u. Loves us coaching staff. They've hired. A couple of new coaches was on offensive really made an impact. Joe borough is a returning quarterback. That's the school l._s._u. Marijuana s._e._c. that's the one team you really didn't wanna see. That's as good looking team. They always recruit well when they come out of the tunnel down in baton rouge or whether you play home. That was the one team that we would always say. That's the best team in college football and i think they're right there again. So obviously the big stumbling they have to go to to to tuscaloosa they ever returning quarterback who is a flat stud tough guy and great leader and that's the ones i know they're not. They are in the top ten most polls but keep an eye on l._s._u. I really liked that quarterback and i think i'm hearing great things from him him about about their team urban great senior. We'll talk soon. Thank you so much coach. Thank you call you bet big noon. Kickoff saturday eleven in eastern debuts saturday august thirty first. We're getting close fellas. We are getting close. We got a couple of weeks now very very excited tom to lesko chargers g._m. Eric mangini peter king jason mcintyre all stopped by today but watching ah this preseason stuff and talking about dwayne haskins. Is you know it's funny because tyler murray is so interesting and cliff kingsbury in arizona and he runs around but you watch wayne haskins and you're like oh yeah i can giant that guy's got a huge arm and now urban learns everything super-quick iraq so you know i will say this is the one thing about five years ago that close and this is just not me me rambling this is this is factual even as recently as five to six years ago first round quarterbacks or a fifty fifty fifty split bust or make it folks paxton lynch in the last six years is one of the only not going to be a starter not going to be a franchise quarterback. All these college is all of them looked like the way the college game now looks like the n._f._l. I'm watching dwayne haskins and i'm like oh no no no no no no do i think i'd rather have him sit. Oh absolutely but but i gotta tell you these college guys can play and they can play early and they can win some games early. I mean you know your eyes aren't lying. 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People dietitian dietician say you should never eat before you go to bed. Many people say that but many people are stupid. I had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich right before bed last night and i'm gonna tell awesome is one of the best decisions i've made as an adult. It was gigantic. It looked like a plate of french toast. I literally last night right had little jars of not sheep little jars of peanut butter jumping over a fence. It was the greatest decision. I've made as a man besides marrying my wife life in years. I don't care what nutritionists say eat right before bed especially a delicious toasted peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Your dietician is wrong. It is delicious and you'll live a lot longer. I'm going to live to be ninety today. I got i got so much protein in me right right now. I'm flying. I'm at thirty thousand feet so here we go. We're getting very close to an n._f._l. Season couple of weeks out and i think one one of my favorite things to do goulet you know this. I like to predict every year to really good teams that go into the tank and take two teams teams that were awful that double their wins and i'm pretty good at it and so it's interesting because i think this is the easiest year in terms of finding too bad teams that are going to double their wins. I think the easiest era ever remember san francisco in the jets. San francisco was four and twelve shelve. I think they turn out to be a nine seven football team. <hes> the jets were four and twelve. I think they're going to be somewhere in the eight and eight football team mm-hmm but what's interesting one a._f._c. n._f._c. They're they're actually the same team now. First of all let's talk schedule. They both got a scheduling break. So of san francisco's six toughest out of division games they gotta break five or at home pittsburgh berga home cleveland at home carolina at home green bay at home atlantic home only at new orleans so five of their six toughest games out the division that got them all at home big break traveling all the way for those teams west. The jets similarly got a scheduling break. They you never travel west. The furthest trip west all year for the jets is at cincinnati. Their road games are all eastern time zone at new england at philly at miami at jacksonville at washington at baltimore at buffalo. Throw at the same time zone. They'll be the most. They have the least travel of any n._f._l. Team in like a decade. They've got a scheduling break. Both also have the the same key problem their lousy at corner and they're having to depend on richard sherman the old veteran in san francisco or true main johnson and who's currently hurt for the jets both have intense young offensive minded head coaches san francisco's big problem last year. They couldn't take the ball away. They were so bad at corner. Only seven takeaways lowest ever jets problem. They don't take the ball away. They don't get interceptions from their corners. Both both went out and bought a running back both sanford and cisco and the jets are built defensively upfront with their eline both are in the division with a super super bowl team rams and the niners and both have a wide receiving corps. That's talented but don't really have a true number one. I i think both teams have athletic young quarterbacks who they can stay up right in front of improved offensive lines though neither is elite san francisco goes foreign twelve the nine and seven and the jets go four and twelve to around eight eight and eight seven and nine or eight and eight all right so i saw this yesterday you know i love n._f._l. Scouts. I love talking to them now. You'll love us known as sources. I would be a scout if i qualified fight. I'd be a scout if i could someday. I love scouting. I love recruiting. I love that stuff so a scout came out a longtime n._f._l. Scout came out and said he believes that carson went to the eagles is patrick mahomes. These are in the new era of the n._f._l. These are the next two great quarterback talents and i agree to a point. I think there's away to even extend the argument. There's a lot of good young quarterbacks and more so than ever. They're mostly working very early in the n._f._l. Since the two thousand twelve draft i think all the way to net all the way to the 2021 draft aft there are four quarterbacks to me that just look different twenty twelve andrew luck carson wentz patrick mahomes and trevor lawrence the true sophomore at clemson they will be different. They're the big four they are a+ size arm athletic ability confidence the whip the it those are the four now by the way to shawn watson very talented. He is not a elegant natural thrower. Sam darnold who played a little linebacker in high school is talented but sam darnold doesn't have the natural throwing motion and gifts of luck wentz mahomes and lawrence baker mayfield really talented but he's five eleven and a half and a two-time walk on jared goff is a beautiful long ball thrower but there are size athletic concerns and russell wilson against an all time great right but he didn't really develop into a great thrower of the football until several years in the league the four guys into me the plus guys <music> our luck wentz mahomes and lawrence now by the way it's not linear in the n._f._l. Wentz has been beat up and hurt. Andrew luck entered the league as sir overwhelmed physically and still won eleven games and let me let me talk about luck here. As much as i like russell wilson he entered the league with a hall of fame coach coach in a great defense marshawn lynch as much as i like sam darnold the shawn watson or think bakers talented andrew luck inherited did a coach that got fired a g._m. That was over his head. The worst offensive line football and no running game and went eleven eleven and five eleven and five and eleven five baker mayfield with those limited asset sam darnold russell wilson and shawn watson would would not have been able to carry a team into the play offs with those roadblocks and that's the difference between mahomes wentz wentz luck and i believe trevor lawrence they will be able to overcome a bad coach over common competent g._m. Overcome an atrocious offensive line now. You're saying well does shawn watson. He's off it does shawn watson entered the league with bill o'brien who is considered a very very smart smart offensive coach. It's also got andre hopkins. He's also again. Let's not go crazy on what he's done in the n._f._l. So far he's a very talented guys. Not change angelique andrew luck got to an a._f._c. championship with a mess with a mess and they were they were ultimately crushed by new england in foxborough but i do think that whence is in that class with mahomes i also think lock is i also think trevor lawrence will be. It's nothing against to jake from georgia just an herbert at oregon's nothing against these guys but there are these unique a. plus guys where you get size. You get athletic ability. You get highly functioning i._q. You get just a whip when you travel orange at clemson. Throw the ball folks. It's just you can't i saw him. Play in high school live in san diego to camp. He looked like an n._f._l. Player i mean i'm not joking when i say that like lebron james last year in high school looked like an n._b._a. Player kobe bryant last year in high school. Tim a friend of mine said i thought he was an m._b._a. Player trevor lawrence is a high school. You're like oh. He'd be a great college player seventeen years years old. He threw the ball n._f._l. Player is seventeen when i saw him in san diego football camp so they're the n._f._l. About they give you one of these guys about every third year since two thousand twelve to the twenty twenty one draft. There's going to be four guys to me that are different and that is over the course of eight nine nine nine ten years. You get four but every two and a half years the n._f._l. Give you one luck wentz mahomes lawrence. That's it for me so i agree with the scout right we're going to go to the chargers camp tom to lesko the g._m. G._m. They got to hold out situation. Zeke's the one that's getting all the publicity chargers have their own issue there. We'll talk about that coming up. Don't go anywhere also eric mangini later this hour peter king jason mcintyre be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine a._m. 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He'll he'll win like a wide receiver a weightlifting <hes> combo oh drill. I'll see how it works. Listen doug baldwin. Nobody thought i mean look what he did with russell wilson so i mean a lot of these wide receivers they appear from out of nowhere undrafted and they're stars. I mean who knows wide open game with my favorite times of the year. A lot of these teams are holding joint practices and the chargers are last couple the days with the new orleans saints and joining us now the youngest g._m. In chargers history tom to lesko one of the smart guys in this league via the coward global satellite network so let's first the joint practices tom your idea the coaches idea who makes the call and is your team like them y. No i enjoy them. Yes myself and anthony we had talked about. It and we've done this for last couple of years. We worked with the rams last week for two days with sean mcvay and his staff and we're working with sean payton in the saints today work with yesterday and we get a lot of it. I mean it's a controlled environment. The tempo is just a little bit higher and better more intense than a regular practice against ourselves but still a little bit less than a live game and we can work on certain situations <hes> specifically in these practices that may or may why not come up with a preseason game especially with your one since he wants. Don't play a lot in the preseason so there's certain situations we can work again. It's good work but i think the big thing with the right people and working with the saints and then working with the rams really good teams are our practice have been tough. They've been physical but there's been no flights. I mean there's nothing that i hate worse than having fights in the practice field and and you could be tough and physical and be disciplined the same time so that's what we've seen here. We expect the same thing today tom. It's easy for everybody to say that. <hes> preseason doesn't matter but you guys are pouring over film every day. There's a reason you're having joint practices. You gonna you're gonna make very big decisions on this roster. What something tell me something that you do get out of preseason and why you would argue that you do need three or four preseason games in this league boy. Were you do need some preseason games because a lot of it is you're evaluating individual players. You're not evaluating your team. You're really wanting your team. Run game thirteen past game your team coverage is you're looking at individual players or individual matchups and try and get a feel for them hollywood into your scheme moving into the year and how they fit into the fifty the three man roster but for a lot of positions you talk about running backs linebackers and safeties. I mean you need to have some live tackling that has to be done and you see that in the preseason games now. I'm not so sure when he four anymore. I used to believe that we need all four from foreign office perspective to evaluate our players. I've come off that a little bit. I think it would be fine with three especially. When you have combined. I practice with with different people but they're still as that need to get out and get some live work before. Our preseason starts for the regular starts. Excuse me tom it's interesting. We were saying this. Is that in the n._f._l. You want to be proactive to avoid disaster not reactive bella check. Even tom brady's prime would draft a quarterback every couple of years with a decent draft. Pick philip rivers does not get hurt and has i think he's got two or three good years left but you have built author roster. That doesn't have a lot of holes in it. You could certainly were the first or second. Maybe a second pick consider taking a very talented college quarterback back. Are you getting into that space. Tom where you got to sit down with philip and say don't be offended philip but we are getting to a point. We don't have a lot of needs on this roster and and we have to protect ourselves. If you had that discussion yet <hes> yes. I if i went as far as saying. We don't have a lot of needs on a roster at <hes>. I wouldn't go that far but we've had that discussion with him and look internally in the building is not something we've ignored. We've been proactive with making sure we know every quarterback coming out in the draft because we know illich philip is these are leaders are quarterback is a quarterback this year. He'll be our quarterback next year and maybe even longer but we do have to have a plan in place for the for the long term future so it's something we've worked on. There's no doubt about that. We just haven't found the right quarterback at the right place for us yet and we've been lucky enough to not the force that pig. That's what we don't wanna wanna do is force that <hes> but it's something really since i arrived here six years ago is something that's been on the front of our minds with every draft and and frequency as well but certainly in the draft. Is something open that we're looking at. We want to be proactive with that. I don't wanna have a gap between philip and whoever the nec's player is <hes> but that's something we're always working through okay so i ran into melvin kevin gordon at the airport about five days ago and he's a great kid and he wants to play and and in the end though it has situation where running backs analytics six he even he knows it. It's not a position now that plays for fifteen years in this league. There's i thought after talking to him. It felt like there's some common ground. I read twitter today n._f._l. Reporters they're like no. They're miles apart. Can you give me some clarity. Do you feel closer or further than two weeks ago with melvin. This is the last time you talked at the airport. <hes> let's see. I don't know if it's hard to characterise. Where exactly are i wouldn't even try to get into that but i do see devaluing in the in the running back position. I mean they carry the ball. <hes> especially this day and age that'd be catch the ball out of the backfield which he does extremely well in the past protects. There's a lot of value there you know in our goal and our goal here for all of our players not just not just melvin <hes> a reward our own. That's what we'd like to do like to pay them and reward them for their past production but more more importantly their future performance but we can't lose sight of is the main goal in the mangoes win a championship and compete for championships year after year after year in order to do that we we do have to be fiscally responsible with our salary cap and that's just part of it so we have to find that balance. Obviously i've found that balance yet but we're in three weeks. It's a training camp going into four weeks at this point really got to focus on these guys behind me right now working hard working together working with their teammates getting ready to play the colts on opening day and we can't lose sight of that and we're lucky. We have an offense that it's balanced. We have a veteran quarterback and obviously we know better with melvin gordon on it but he's not here right now and hopefully something works out in the meantime. We got your get ready to go to play excellent football team in week one so we'll get together with what we have and keep going. Is it harder for you as general manager when i think if i recall you traded up to get him. I mean you liked him. Is it harder when you liked the kid when he's good in the locker room. I mean is there. Is there something you even consider about listen. I like him the guys like him. He's good in the room. He's i mean. Does that matter at all all or is it all data. I lost you there a little bit but yes. This is a people business. There's emotions involved. I mean yes. We look look at data. We look at analytics but there's also people skills involved and you know players that laid on the line for you. Do everything ask our great people off the field intangible angels. You look for and have a big time talent. Wanna keep those players around our philosophy. Here is the draft developing resign. Now is can re-sign every single player or maybe not necessarily but that's our philosophy when you find the right people and like you just mentioned. We traded up to get him in the first round and in a period in the n._f._l. That some teams may not be willing to take running back in the first round but we thought he's a great fit for us and you know he's proved us right with that all right tom. You look great camp with the saints today. Keep keep kicking but we'll talk soon. Thank you anytime thanks for having me. I'm calling you bet yeah that philip rivers discussions and interesting one because philip doesn't get hurt and phillips got at least these two great years left but i have to have those conversations if you got god andrew luck aaron rodgers cam newton carton of jimmy garoppolo gets hurt. I got news afraid. Kyle shannon's going to wait about three minutes. Go upstairs call john lynch say. Let's go have salad lunch. Let's talk about this. This is my first coaching job. I'm not going out there with nate mullins the next four years and we got three great quarterbacks coming out of college next year three minimum. The kid had oregon herbert. You've got jake frahm got to in alabama so and then the year after that trevor lawrence. What are you smiling about goulet. You always call him. It's nick mullins. What did i call him. You always call nate well him and nate peterman. I think are at some level related or they kind of look the same thing. I didn't know whether to correct you because who cares. He's a backup but you always say a nate. Wouldn't you correct me. I'm very successor if he's a starter all corrective because a backup that's right i get i get the backup bonus rule coming up next james harden is better than michael jordan. Oh wait my bad or turn line. Isn't it god i just all over the the joint veteran newsman. John guei heard on the news. This is the third line new. They let you all screwed up. Yeah <hes> so tom. Tom brady's very intelligent went to michigan and understands football on a level. I think most players can't even comprehend. He talks about all the time how he just knows all the answers to all the football questions questions that would make him a great coaching candidate right right. Does it matter because it's something we'll never see. Take a listen any desire to ever square off the the guidelines as a coach. Oh hell no. I'm never coaching had enough plans enough for me. <hes> i'm gonna guess you agree that. You've don't want to see and understand that tom brady does not want to coach. Well most legends. Let's take derek jeter kobe bryant m._j. Tom brady eighty peyton manning like legends. They're obsessed right like like tony gonzalez. The hall of fame tight end works at fox. We've asked him before. How many players are obsessed they. They don't just love their sports. They don't like their sport. They live their sport. Tony gonzalez like three percent so ninety seven percent of guys like it or love it. They don't live it. Legends all live there sports when you get out of that tunnel when you escaped that tunnel kobe's like give me hollywood would michael's like give me business leaders like all own a team. I'm not managing braise going to work in the t._v. Brand those guys come out of a fifteen year obsessive tunnel. Don't wanna go back into the coaching tunnel i could he. I could see him owning. Maybe wanting to partially own teen or something like that but he doesn't want just wanna a scout college players and think about this thing you know. Everybody says that he'll go own team. Tom brady's made two hundred and twenty five million dollars after taxes. He's got about one hundred and thirty of it. Bob kraft has months. He makes one hundred million dollars. So when you start thinking about players owning stuff jordan by the way does jordan own own the lakers known charlotte he could michael jordan could not afford to owned like mark cuban only owns like i think fifty five percent of the maps most of these these guys have second third guys that add two hundred million or one hundred million or he could just spend his retirement traveling with his supermodel beaches which is not a bad option in coaching and it gets old after a couple years sure it does so while we didn't get to see aaron rodgers play last night against the ravens. He was on the field after word word and talking to quarterback lamar jackson. Take a listen to this interaction back slidell more. You couldn't hear that it was sir roger selling them are jackson loves watching him play but maybe slide a little bit this season how juicy lamar's touchdown run though i believe he got called back i know me media but it was incredible and my god you don't need to slide when you go into the end zone. The mars say this lamar is so different than the rest of the league. I'm i'm attracted to watching. I mean nothing against flacco but flacco. Is you know it's just the same thing i'm gonna get a bowl of soup. This kid is like spicy wings. He's like crazies. Got not remember when you used to go to those restaurants light stuff on fire. That's lamar jackson leads the as just every play is just crazy. Yeah it's like like flat goes just a turkey sandwich volcano and all that lamar's fun to watch is now what i was gonna say. It's really good advice rogers. Obviously he's not the runner that lamar is but he's a mobile quarterback that has gotten her plenty of times. In his career slide you think lamar and succeed when he has to run as much as he does leads to be successful. At least this point is i think i three years. He'll run around and be great. It'll be like oh five six seven and by the way russell wilson by the way runs less. Now i mean it just some point. You just can't run. It also has an amazing ability though to never get hit yeah right. I don't know if lamar has that or not. Do you guys spine lamar fun to watch yes i do. I play yes good. Take off for fifty yards. Yeah i find his style very first of all. It's very unique. Nobody plays like him now. He also is at times looks like the fastest player on the field for either side of the ball and there's a lot of suspense to him and he's flawed enough as it thrower that like even when he throws the ball downfield you're kinda. Hold your breath because he's he's not a naturally gifted thrower yet. I think running quarterbacks always tend to get people interested in watching whether they were also the more fun to watch the matt ryan shirt yeah <hes> and finally last friday you were not here. I was filling in for joy doug for you and we did a story about the eagles backup. Oh quarterback nate solder belt breaking his wrist. Yeah i do miss the season fast forward to today and we have another eagles backup quarterback getting hurt <hes> they had brought cody kessler who has been with the browns jags before to fill in as the backup first series with the eagles last night he got crushed on a blocking miscommunication had a head injury injury. <hes> diagnosis a concussion they ended up having to play rookie clayton thorson the rest of the game in the first series on which is not ideal for preseason. Bliss is a backup quarterback right but wentz got her in college. He's gotten hurt a lot in the pros yeah. They don't have nick foles anymore and this is to backups have gotten hurt already ready in two preseason games now obviously listen if once gets hurt for the season again who cares the seasons probably over but man if they get a situation where wentz is out for a month or six weeks that could derail their whole season if they're starting list when it comes to san francisco and philadelphia it is just i mean i'm not kidding. I just sitting there when i watched the niners and when i watch the eagles i'm like tents like it's i mean 'cause carson. Wentz is a stud. He is an a plus talent but we're one more ugly injury away from you. Go to draft another quarterback. You got to protect your franchise choice. Next year. You have to protect your and and philadelphia's got enough good players. They could trade up in the draft easily. Yeah i mean the guy they had come in is a rookie but he was a fifth round pick. I don't know that he's seen as you know. He's more more of a maybe this guy is a backup. They could be in trouble if once goes down veteran newsman john goulet well. That's the news and thanks for stabbing in fifteen years. I'm an old guy and i make that same mistake. I don't want anybody to say colin made that mistake because he's an old guy. I'm not an old guy and i still make that mistake at least once a month where i think i'm going to break and i'm actually going to a news guy. I get in the middle of these interviews. Now forget where i'm at so yesterday. Rockets kitts general manager daryl morey great guy very much in analytics guy came out in a podcast and said well. James harden's a better score than michael jordan <hes>. We've got sound of it here. Watch out. You'll all be offended by this just factual. The james harden has a better score than michael jordan john. It's literally like you give you give james harden the the ball and before you're giving up the ball. How many points do you generate. Which is how you should measure offense. <hes> james harden is by far number one m._b._a. History okay okay so he is a three point shooter michael and he has a better ball handler so he's got skills offensively better than michael and i'm not going to get into a who's a better player. That's not close. Michael jordan's much better player. It's not even arguable but this is where that daryl morey i would disagree and this is something that is not considered an analytic but i think it's really important. What is your method of scoring now. We all know that jordan ten scoring titles okay won seven straight played baseball came back one three more straight james harden's done it twice again not getting into the argument who's better michael's much better player michaels also stronger longer bigger hands more vertical can score more different ways but here's the difference it's michael's method of scoring allowed him to have great energy by the end of the year into the playoffs james harden's method of scoring does not he's exhausted. James harden dribble dribble ball centric control the offense offense dribble dribble. I think method matters james listen russell westbrook say great score russell westbrook's method did of scoring hurts his postseason durability and production. I think michael jordan was off the ball. Michael michael jordan tended to score in spurts. It's not like michael didn't exhaust himself on the defensive end plays much better defense than harden but people do. I'm not consider the business you can get ratings. If you have a schtick i could name five radio people in my sports radio people in my career that have had sticks dick's. They haven't had twenty five year careers of extended ratings. You don't do that was stick. There's a method to ratings. I think the better method that is just do on most segments try to be as mindful as thoughtful as smart as you can be schtick can that method can get you ratings but but i think you don't last twenty-five years doing it. It's it's like mercedes and b._m._w. Will be good forty years ago forty years from now but there was a really the inefficient thing called a yellowhammer for three years was the coolest car on the road right so what what's the method of scoring hardens method aphid which is ball centric is an exhausting method which leaves him exhausted postseason. He looks tired. He was a different player liar. His numbers go down michael jordan's method of scoring to me as much more effective leaves you much fresher for the postseason and if you're gonna talk about greatest greatest all time harden m._j. Kobe lebron. You have to begin with post season. Production hardened looks tired. Jordan looks refreshed and that method of storing. I don't like westbrook's method of how he scores. I don't like hardens method. Whatever the analytic say i know how james scores makes him less efficient in may how how michael scored off ball leaves him more efficient <hes> goodstuff eric. Mangini next got all sorts of good film. It's coming in here like a movie critic eric mangini next be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern in pacific in the montgomery county maryland courthouse. There are thousands of pages of documents detailing the horrific murders of three innocent people to things from the early days as of the investigation are clear no one knew for sure who committed the murders but some had a theory about who engineered them soon as i heard the details i knew knew my dad was involved right away. We know it was lawrence horn. I mean i knew who else instantly i said as lawrence everybody knew that lawrence horn was responsible. Nobody even better than i but at the time of the murders lawrence horn was clear across the country watching tv in his los angeles home and he could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm jasmine morris from iheartradio and hit home media. This is hitman. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts on on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts by the way had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich right before bed last night. It was terrific eric man gene. I agree on very little but he acknowledges that. I may have been right on that one. I think you're absolutely right right. A well-placed peanut butter and jelly sandwiches fantastic takes you back to your child. The alternate comfort food and you had a great night's sleep right. Oh unbelievable slept like a baby and i think a lot of it was because i felt good about my life. I reminisce to my childhood is a at that peanut butter and jelly sandwich like a nice warm blanket or a nice bath. Ah it's perfect yeah dietitians talking about easter kale shake some of us want to have more all right cuyler murray last night cliff kingsbury and is saying this he's going to be in a division with pete carroll. Pete carroll's knowledge experience in this lead cliff kings varies an hour and a half the lead time when some of these coaches the andy reid the bella checks the impeach the tomlin's the sean payton's. I mean you know the bella tech's parcels. They have such experience advantage over some of the young guys exact taylor in cincinnati and cliff kingsbury. I don't don't wanna overdo it on arizona but they're not throwing the ball down the field i just i watched mary. What do you make what you see so far. What do i make of it. I think it was perfect that they talked about him being a once in a generational talent right before he has the game that he has because the the role of organization a coach g._m. Is not put more rocks on a player's pile. It's to take the rocks off to take the pressure off and not to add even more to a situation. It's already loaded with it so he goes out. He has a game that a lot of rookies are going to have that a lot of people are gonna have during the course of the preseason and then that's part of what you do. During this process says and people forget how hard it is for rookies to transition. Everything's new granted the system. Is something that similar form. It's still a new coach. He's working for its new players. You don't even know where the grocery stores. You don't know where anything is in your city. You're trying to get used to all those things and be the starting quarterback and and produce at a generational level. It's hard. It's hard so i'm gonna give him the benefit of the dowd last night. I also felt like there was a significant amount of blitzing yes or an early a preseason game and not standard blitzes double mug with disguises. There was a lot of of of elements that you need to unpack and game plan for if you're going to be successful and it was hard for him by the way sam darnold had three different drives against atlanta he he looked good for the giants. I thought he entered the league two years younger than baker. I thought baker had much better college. Prep than sam darnold did his o._c. At u._s._c. been fired they didn't have much on the perimeter. They didn't have much in the backfield. Darnold looks like he's made a little leap with adam. Gays surprised i. I'm i am a little little bit surprised. I think i've been much harder on sam darnold than you. Have i really liked his first. Two significant throws yesterday so they had the play action. They ran the over route. Put the ball only where the receiver could get. It looked initially. Look the safety off a little bit. There are a lot of elements that throw that i thought were impressive and then he comes is back with the back shoulder. Fade so the guys working down the sideline this this is i throw the back shoulder. Fade a little bit later impressive as well yeah those are two who really good throws in tight coverage against man to man coverage with some pressure and i also thought a little bit later in this dr where he he's in the pocket initially initially slide through his right shows presence doesn't get nervous and delivers the ball <hes> all all very encouraging signs for him. Let's go to baker mayfield so you've got some tape. You love to bring on tape to prove your point and i love your tape so let's go on baker. What do you got well. You know you watch the first preseason game and so much has made they go go down the score. No huddle against the washington defense. That's that's rebuilding and they celebrate like they just won the super bowl and equivalent of celebrating after run one hundred yards words in a twenty six mile marathon and it really wasn't that an impressive play and and i want to show you this i this first touchdown that they had and what happened so you're gonna see it. Initially without any telestrator looks like a great throw great catch. The celebration comes on and this this is really what took place the bronze initially in a three by one formation. They're going to run it all very standard pattern and the tight end from the three men side is going to come back to the one man inside washington's plane sewn up top to the three men side and man down here to the one man side and it's going to be a three deep zone k with that means. I set the safety right here aggie apti. He's going to be in the middle of the field. That's where he should be now. In this situation the linebackers gotta take the tight end back over to the man side. Ascii should be a lot deeper. He should should be right here instead. He thinks he's gotta take the linebacker. He's too far up. It's an easy throw and catch a touchdown and a mistake by a backup safety k now what should happen to the interception not thrown or blown up k then they'd celebrate afterwards we got the we're taking pictures doing all those sorts the thing he was a basic throw in the n._f._l. Was a basic throw in the n._f._l. Against a backup safety with two minutes into the first preseason game and i just didn't loved of the amount of of stuff that went with it afterwards okay but did he do something in so far in the preseason baker that you did like this is what i really liked and we'll take a look at it here. He's at the cleveland indians game gay kay. He notices that he's on the jumbotron k. recognize that he acknowledges the crowd out great. He's got the beer in his hand looks to his friend realize he's got a chance to make a play who gives them the signal right here. He's going to get into the beer chugging challenge and i like that. It's subtle title now. Here's the problem. The beer gets thrown but the lids facing the wrong way. He's got a transition that as he moves up to his mouth see the way he does that so now. The lids word needs to be he here's where he makes the incision with his teeth and a lot of times. That's done in college with a key. He does it with his teeth and you're gonna see there's a little bit of spillage but it's really not that much and he's got the index finger loaded so once he makes the incision he can pop it. The beer goes down smoothly his buddy some for some reason or looking at the jumbotron instead of him that hard about it but then you've got the celebration and i'm good with this celebration because it's at the indians game. It's for a team. That's in the playoff hunt. It's the seasons well on its way he supporting somebody else and that was hard to execute than the play against the same on on on the overrun. There's a lot of elements of that. That are really hard to do. You bring in levity to the show. Look i'm just i'm just trying to give credit it. Were credit's due. Okay fair enough by the way i did love this. Do we have that sound bite from brady. I love this teaching moment. I had an old boss that once told me this when when you're chewing a guys but put your arm around him. I love you but i gotta deliver bad news. Listen to how brady carefully selects his words talking about braxton berrios barrios who butchered a route in practice just how delicate he is with the words him expect in the ball to be a certain place in me expect an n._b._a. In place and i think the chemistry between a quarterback and receiver a quarterback tight end is so important because it's all anticipation if you're waiting for things to happen even in the n._f._l. You're too late you gotta just anticipate and expect them to be a certain way and that's the way they turn out and i have obviously a lot of experience so i know oh where guys should be so. I'm trying to tell them if you want the ball. This is where you gotta be which is hopefully learn for those guys and it's good teaching for me. I thought that was a really smart way to deliver a message. I'm going to go if you don't show up at the right time because i'm forty two and don't feel taking show. It's a great lesson and the other lessons. If you get to the right place he'll make you a star. He'll make you a millionaire hill. Make you famous if you get to the right place not offense and that's where the coverage takes you. It's it's an egalitarian system. He doesn't care what your name is. He's going to throw the ball. What's funny josh gordon last year he really supported him and then against pittsburgh greg. We had a feeling something's going wrong either at practice or with josh to targets and so that told me the pittsburgh game. Oh something's wrong with josh. He's got got into a spot where tom doesn't trust him. Tom's one of those guys coach and you know this your practice three four years with them like he demands uris committed is he is did you sense that early with them yeah so i was there with them for six years and the expectations that he had from self whereas as as as high as any that he would have for anybody else and the unique thing about tom brady is that he still is as demanding of himself now as rich as famous a successful as he is as he would be for anybody else but the the great part about. Tom is hill except anybody if you can help the team win if you're doing the right thing if you care he is he is going to embrace you and he's going to help you be successful. What about responding to the players instagram post where the player tried tried to go to quote and he said hey. Why don't you get your playbook. I thought that was another funny easy way to explain. Hey dude. You're on defense but important to me. I'm watching getting your playbook because we all are in this together. Good seeing you excellent video breakdown one well some of your very best work. You have not a peak you still have made by the way he lives in cleveland so he's you know he's vested in this community. That indian penetrates a big deal for you. Heater king jason mcintyre heading to a third hour on a friday been fun today to her one more heard the heard streams twenty four hours today's seven days a week within the iheartradio app search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like peter king has been to twenty n._f._l. N._f._l. camps. I've been vacationing taken fridays off. He's working at he's like a baseball umpire and he's on the road constantly peter king joining us via the coward our global satellite network. He's at the chargers can't joint practice with the saints before we talk about where you're at now peter. I wanna talk about the san francisco forty niners because i think it's a big year for jimmy garoppolo. It's a big year for john. Lynch is draft picks. They've spent some money on d. Ford kwan alexander. What was the <music> vibe. You've got with the forty niners camp. Peter can hear computer harris all right. Let's try to reconnect and see if peter king can hear us he could not here is right there. All right could not hear us. Listen as some bit times people here and they just did just don't want to respond to me. That's very possible. Peter king heard me and just didn't did not want to respond to me tap into more more than once in my career. Jason mcintyre is also joining okay. We'll go to peter figured out veteran newsman john go for it on the news. This is the third line news so last night we were supposed to see aaron rodgers <hes> play and not audible all in matlock floors new system that we're all wondering how he's gonna look and <hes> just before the game though they decided to scratch rogers causes some back stiffness not a concern just more of a precautionary free help hold out. This means basically week three against the raiders which i believe that game is in canada. That's the only time really he's going to be able to. We're going to be able to see him play offense of course it's not like he's a rookie but this is a new system that he's had some complaints about so. I think we're all a little bit interested in how it would look matt. Leflore leflore talked about rogers not getting any snaps. I think we'd like to see him but you're talking about. A veteran quarterback played a lot of football. I don't think it's not sure sure it's a necessity but it certainly something that we'd like to see do you. Are you have any concerns. Do you want to see him. Play in the summer you good. I think he's fine the only thing i ever worry about not as errands health which i get across your finger thing him. Wentz locked camps cross your fingers but aaron is going to be fine. I'd never felt last year because he got hurt and game one last year the right in chicago. You didn't miss time but he was injured here that great comeback. I never felt i didn't feel until november was healthy and then i thought he got dinged up late in the year. He did yes so it. It was midseason before he started looking like himself again and by then it was almost kind of too late i think he i i gotta be honest with you. I think green bay's personnel there. It's young in the secondary in certain spots. I liked their personnel. I like aaron jones. I liked davante adams. <hes> they drafted a little bit of a project that tied in their offensive of lines good. They got the best center in the draft. <hes> they went and got really smart. Preston smith linebackers lost mike daniels. They've got they've got a good defensive front. They're young corner corner talented. They got amos from the bears at safety than they drafted. The kid. Out of maryland was named savage till they addressed it with a veteran <hes> well a little older player. I think green based personnel personnel wise. I don't think there is loaded as chicago defensively but the balance this kind of asymmetry between special teams returners defense offense. I think remains gonna win the division vision. We also might have a little bit of a rogers with a chip on his shoulder so no it was mccarthy. It wasn't me sean good and i'm gonna show everyone that at at our peak levels. I'm the best quarterback about what is their schedule early. They open at chicago at soldier field. Which is i think it's like a nationally televised that is opening thursday that is a brutal spot to open with an aggressive by the way hyper aggressive experience bears defense and you got a new head coach. <hes> what's the rest of the schedule for greenvale o'clock. Is it two. I'll look it up on my phone. How how tough is it because i i actually think division. I think minnesota's gonna be a playoff team so you're gonna have four. It's not easy at chicago home against the vikings. He's home against the broncos against the eagles at dallas gee. That's not an lightens up a little but <hes> now. It's not easy nats not easier. Later are in the season. I would say that in early <hes> there is some good news for packers fans though aaron rodgers wants to make beer at lambeau cheaper he had a suggestion for getting crowds at lambeau louder and he suggested they should just slash beer prices packers middle of the pack in terms of beer prices eight twenty five. I sixteen ounce beer on average. That's terrible. There's a lot worse out here. Their head coach matt leflore was even open to the idea because they wanna make lambeau a place where it is really difficult to go and play besides just the weather. Don't have the stadium walk to the games anyway so you have an extra beer. You just walk effects. <hes> rogers a man of the people wanting to slash beer prices colin cowherd. Not a man of the people not someone who likes beer at games i don't need i think i can spend three hours at a football game without getting liquor it up. I'm not a big fan of alcohol and i i like beers as much as anybody. I'm not a big fan of getting. Everybody loaded up at sporting events. I'm not you basically have a stadium you pour onto the freeways and drive home and everybody's liquor it up. I think that's great. I don't think it's very smart who in the past mentioned outlawing fear of games correct college games yeah. That's you know it's going the other way. More colleges are offering beer. I just don't think it's martin society to poor fifty thousand people onto the freeway bombed speaking of college finally last story aaron rodgers mandate people colin cowherd not as much nick sabin not as much he he <hes> he's been involved in football in some way or another since one thousand nine hundred seventy player gradison working all the way up in professional or college football and in that time taking listen to something thing he has never experienced as a fan or as a student of the game favorite moment or a favourite game in college football history yeah well. I'm not a fan. I've never been to <hes>. What do you call it when you get into parking tailgate. I'm never been to one of those uh-huh so i can't give you a perspective from a fan of cook. That's my favorite nick sabin. I'm not a fan. I think of the word tailgate. He's a professional kobe. Bryant's not a fan of kobe's appro columnists borderline offensive that he doesn't know what a tailgate that's okay. I'm i'm tailgater. I am someone that likes going to games almost solely to tailgate yeah. Alabama fans are hard cortel game right. I i bet you they show up for the iron bowl week early yes to like that is to him. I believe him that. He has never been to one because he's busy. He's on the he's on the field yeah for games. I love i am not going to buy the heat is not no one was in could think of it. That's the police. He likes to plant stuff in press conferences. That feels like a plant to me. I like when he said what do you call it. When you go to a game and yeah it's called tailgating neck like it's a new thing i mean i just i love him in alabama. What else is there there to do. Come on now. Let's be nice about a beautiful part of the. I'm not knocking it. I'm just saying there's not professional teams. It's a more rural area. Rural areas know how to tailgate colorado eh john with the news well. That's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie news yeah. You know it's funny. The first time i ever grew into <hes> tailgate it in the s._e._c. Could i grew up going to tailgates and stuff and i'll go to one like once a year. I'll go up. I'm going to a football well. Actually i'm going to a football game in provo utah this year. They will not be tailgating. They won't be a lot of drinking. There wouldn't be your traditional yeah. It's not it's not it'd be the tailgating be fine nine but i i think the jack daniels will be a minimum the first time i partied in the s._e._c. i went to l._s._u. It was a september fourth nick sabin coach l._s._u. And i was invited down oregon state and mike riley were coaching and i went to l._s._u. The craziest thing thing i've ever seen first of all is bourbon everywhere by eight in the morning. You can smell the bourbon. The second thing is there was a lightning storm. Lightning hit the stadium. There was a torrential downpour poor that it delayed. The game in our people got naked and jumped on the field at halftime the oregon state <hes>. What do you call it. Locker room. Got flooded. No it was a complete zoo. Oh so that was my first s._e._c. Tailgating experience and i'm not when i say this. I'm not joking. You could smell the bourbon as you walked through the crowd. I don't picks you as a bourbon guy drinking at eight a._m. Kind of and that's not my but you know i'm not. I'm not judging. I'm just saying you know it's the south. It's a real thing it's a you know. It's a part of their <hes> tradition it in the south. If you lose a football game on saturday without questions ruins your monday like there's a study done like mondays people miss more work teams. Local teams lose in the south. I've read that years ago so it's a real thing what what's up with peter. Are we <hes> okay by the way that he's at the chargers. Chris camp derwin james out for significant time melvin gordon to hold out <hes> and keenan allen who's a really good receiver <hes> but keenan out through the years has had some i would say treasonable to say has had some injury <hes> staff. He's got a ankle by mangle so he's not playing either <hes>. Can we go to peter now now all right. Let's go back to the camp. Joint practices chargers and the saints will try one more time football morning in america. The coward global satellite network here is peter king all right peter at your twentieth camp. Let's not talk about this. When i want to go back to your san francisco forty niners camp <hes> there's a lot of pressure on garoppolo all john lynch. They spent some money in free agency deformed kwame alexander. What was your vibe niners can't because i think they make a big jump this year repeater colin. I'm probably going to pick them to make the playoffs in fact i've said if jimmy garoppolo doesn't slip on a banana peel in september. I think they're going to win ten games now. That is a really really good division. This could be one of the rear years where there could be three playoff teams out of one division because i think the seahawks are sleeping. I wouldn't call them giant but i think they're sleeping. The seahawks basically to me or the steelers of the n._f._c. You know they haven't had a lot of placid camps in recent years in both seattle and pittsburgh but both of them have placid and productive camps now the forty forty niners. The one thing that i believe about them is that i think this is the year we're all of the investment in the defensive line really pays off because it visit the forest bugner now obviously with d. ford i think solomon thomas really is on a crucial year for him and i think they've got a chance now now to finally have that kind of defensive presence. That's going to complement garoppolo in that offense so i walked zona last night. I don't wanna make a big deal out of the pre season season but the preseason does tell you things i remember victor cruz out of umass undrafted popped in preseason and went on to lead the giants next three years in in receptions doc prescott popped in preseason and here we are dak prescott looking at thirty thirty five million arizona's struggled cuyler struggled cliff kingsbury struggled jamaica. Take take anything from that peter now. I think we make far far too much of preseason games. I mean last week. <hes> talking about which young quarterback looked best in like five snaps. I mean you know it's just it's just too early early and look. I am sure that cliff kingsbury is doing some experimentation. He doesn't know exactly who he's gonna. Play a in what situation yet you know. Some of the communication issues in that game really in my opinion are the result of of players who've never played in that system before just simply trying to figure out if this happens heavily in the third preseason game. I'd be worried but but again nobody ever thought that the two thousand nineteen cardinals are going to be a playoff team anyway. This is a year for cuyler murray. Get some calluses alice's on his hand when we're talking about batting practice in baseball. What do you do in march. You'll get calluses on your hand. You get ready to bat five hundred fifty times during the season. That's what this is about for cuyler murray right now you know there's a handful of quarterbacks in this league that i really love but i do believe there one more injury away from their front office having to consider a backup plan carson wentz andrew luck as much as i love andrew luck his his injuries have become peter a little bit of an enigma. We can't get a straight answer. What do you what do you make the colts in this sort of yeah. I mean mean colin here. Here's here's what i would say about the indianapolis colts and about the injuries as it relates to andrew luck. I think the biggest problem problem here is the mystery aspect of it like. I don't think anybody right now. Even i bet you ask chris ballard and frank reich and they're not going to be able to know right right. Now is andrew looking to be able to play on september twenty third november twentieth or is he gonna play this year. That is the weird part of this injury. What i saw andrew luck in training camp. He was absolutely confident positive that he was gonna play opening day and now i. I don't know if you're in indianapolis annapolis. If you have any idea when he's gonna play the only the only good thing about that is that jacoby bruce said i think is is probably one of the top ten backups right now in football so it's not like they have to mail in the season with outlook yeah. He is surrounded now which he wasn't for the first three years. Their defense can play dave <hes> great offensive line tight end play. I agree with you. We got a better supporting cast and you went to the eagles camp as well. I believe a <hes> there is formidable. I i think in the n._f._c. that's my prediction. I like howie roseman. I like wentz. What did you make a wins. The camp the vibe with a team that really feels poised to be excellent for a long long time so in two thousand eighteen. I sat with wentz for for twenty minutes after practice two thousand nineteen. I sat with carson wentz twenty minutes after practice. The carson wentz of two thousand nineteen is markedly different from the you know the he. He felt more freewheeling more open happier than he was a year ago. He was guarded guarded ear ago. He was <hes> he was so sick of everybody talking to him about his injury and i sensed a real i don't wanna say lack of confidence peninsula but a real wariness about whether he was going to be able to last last year now it turned out another injury ended up hurting him but i think this year he's he's in a much different place now. Having said that nate sud failed is one of the most ten is one of the ten most important players on that roster you know and everybody everybody says oh my god. What are you talking about. Well i mean the backup. Quarterback in philadelphia is a vital piece of the puzzle. It's why if if i were how he rose and i might have tried to really stretch one more year and keep foles but now that falls is gone and they're going to miss sud failed. Maybe for like two or three games james when he comes back. He better be ready to play because he just never know. You know. It's very hard. I i've always said this. You know the the more successful all somebody gets the richer they get. It's harder to change who they are. <hes> aaron rodgers is successful. He's got a ring. He is super smart and now you've got to coach coming in matt leflore who's young unproven and has a system very much like shanahan mcveigh that you know he doesn't love at living out of play calls. I think it'll be fine because i think aaron's gifted but i do wonder how the rub goes if aaron doesn't add living and stuff that was call doesn't work. Do you have any concerns at all about that relationship. I think you have to have concerns about the relationship because you know there were times or was rocky between he and mike mccarthy and aaron basically is a very strong willed guy who knows what he likes <hes> and and so i i but i'll just tell you one story from that camp colin. You know i found out that one of the plays in their scrimmage a family night scrimmage was was a play that aaron rodgers changed at the line of scrimmage even though the play changed who hadn't been installed yet by matlock flora but he just explained explained it to everybody walking on the line. Here's what you're gonna do. Blah blah blah and he ended up doing it and they ran it finally gain yardage on the play and mandala ferber's over there like he had no idea what was going on out on the field but that is the strength of aaron rodgers. He is never going to stay in a play that he thinks going to be an abject disaster the one thing about rogers in the floor that i found interesting matt leflore when i said how does it feel to be aaron rodgers boss. He almost winced. I don't i don't wanna be called. Aaron rodgers boss. We have sort of a collaborative relationship. That's the way it has to be with the play designer. Play play caller and the quarterback so you know we'll see how it goes colin. The only problem that i foresee coming in my opinion aaron rodgers is not necessarily surly a consistently tempo quarterback right. He wants to survey the landscape and see what he has and i think matt l- afler wants to play fast fast fast fast fast. We'll see how that goes. I don't know how that marriage is quite gonna work. Analytics are changing sports certainly baseball. They've made there was the first sport to to make major changes basketball now. Analytics are shoot threes and no mid range. Jumper analytics are becoming very cruel to running backs whereas you could make an argument argument you don't sign him to a second long contract. You're at the chargers can't melvin gordon. I just ran into him at the airport. Great great kid but he knows the reality of of what's happening to his position. Similarly zeke in dallas wants to get paid two years early so you've been covering this league for thirty years. Maybe it's cyclical but peter does it not feel like the melvin gordon's and zeke's if not being eliminated are being marginalized in this league now in this sport. I don't think ezekiel elliott and and melvin gardiner are have the same impact on their teams. If i were to guess right now i would guess that the chargers would be comfortable as the wrong word would be okay with playing a significant in part this season without melvin gordon whereas the cowboys can say whatever they want if they don't have ezekiel elliott opening day. There's going to be a lot of unease in that locker corroon because this is probably as much as any team in football team wants to live on the ground and you know the charges are philip rivers team and yeah i think austin and and you know the backup jackson i think they're both going to make the chargers feel like like we can be okay and we can win without melvin gordon and again. The chargers did not invent what's happening in the n._f._l. Right now but i i think the general manager thom tillis go has to feel like listen if we pay melvin gordon twelve fourteen million dollars a year. That's just going to be one guy on our defense a young guy that we're not going to be able to sign so i think and plus i mean gordon's got another year so i don't think the chargers feel like they absolutely from what i've read they don't they don't feel like they absolutely have to do something with melvin gordon and if he doesn't come any doesn't come in all right football morning in america a peter king n._b._c. sports dot com brave enough to wear a long sleeved black shirt in the southern california sun. It's great they'd have gone. Hey when you've had a couple of mel when you've had a couple of melanomas colin the long sleeved shirt doesn't really bother you as much as wondering what's going to happen. What's happening under your skin again. Ferret up feed or have a continued great summer. We love your stuff. N._b._c.'s boards dot com a football morning america peter king coming up next tomorrow's headlines today would j amac. It's the heard be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine a._m. Pacific on fox sports radio affects one and the iheartradio app. Jason mcintyre is joining us here on a friday. You know i take some fridays off in the summer. So do you not as many as you very very busy. Doing things like you know water skiing and hiking getting hamburger joints ready yes. That's all that so we do. It's called tomorrow's headlines today. These are you're a former newspaper paper of veteran grizzled newspaper man twenty years ago early in my career not as prestigious as being a triple a baseball announcer is what you were it was jason mcintyre joining founder of the big lead and he gives us what he thinks tomorrow's headlines will be now. We're doing a new thing today. You've got five of them. We did this yesterday the n._f._l. Last thirty years at least four new playoff teams every year so it'll realize that there's so much turnover in the league every single year four teams minimum thirty years. I picked mine yesterday. I picked pittsburgh into atlanta in minnesota and green bail. Make them bland so here we go. We'll start with your new number number. One playoff team tomorrow's headline today right so unfortunately we do have a couple similar and i'm going to start with one that you like as well. You can see the black and gold all behind us. The headline is nobel. No brown no problem in pittsburgh colin. I love steelers team absolutely all over them a funny. He number i saw ben rothlisberger attempted. Six hundred seventy five passes last year most in the league by a mile. Why was that well. They didn't have levy on bell and i don't think there was some uncertainty as good as james connor was big. Ben thought he had to put it all on his shoulders and win at all. He's not going to have to do that this year not because of necessarily the new the new running backs connor and jalen samuels but the defense. I absolutely loved the steelers defense. You saw draft. They got a kid out of michigan. They traded up for devon bush javan evan bush. He is going to be such a game changer. He is essentially their replacement for ryan. Shazia been lost injury. They were thirty first in the league last year. Defending tight ends end's okay. Travis kelsey destroyed them gronk famously crush. Mike tomlin teams devin bush finally will be the guy in the middle. You know the steelers their front four they. They lead the defense in the n._f._l. And sax last year t. j. watt and this is mike tomlin best secondary that he's ever had since being in pittsburgh. There's real optimism. I do believe the steelers are a playoff team and they're going to boot another team. From the division. The baltimore ravens. I think fall all right new playoff team number two tomorrow's headlines today today. There's a bit of a homer call. You don't have them in the playoffs. You do like their quarterback. They headline will be playoffs again. Sam aerobic funny. Yes i know you're a big casablanca fan. The great movie humphrey bogart and i mean everything for me is the media and the fans love to make fun of atom gays. The new coach of the jets got smelling salts on the sideline and he's blinking and looking all weird in the press conference. You know what he does. On the field. He gave peyton manning his best a year. Ever fifty five touchdown by the way bella check twice and when ryan tannehill was his starting quarterback had a winning record that dysfunctional organization and then of course we can only talk talk so much levy on bell the best running back they've had since curtis martin jamison crowder in the slot and just a quick note on the jets schedule thirty first ranked schedule on the league very easy. They don't leave the eastern time zone this season as far as they go kick it luckier than that sam darnold baby into the playoffs offs new playoff team number three tomorrow's headline today. This is another one you like <hes>. This headline actually was my theme song when i was in college. Are you ready for this. The headline is return of the pack green. Bay packers mind was returned to the mac okay so at any rate aaron rodgers is back people's pool kind of he's like the forgotten man right now and i compared him yesterday on undisputed to lebron james right lebron had injuries last year lebron new coach aaron rodgers had injuries injuries. He was hurt in the opener against the bears kind of hobbled all season. He now has a new coach he they stole your guy from tennessee matt leflore the offensive coordinator and aaron rodgers. This is gonna be under center a lot more. This year based on the offense leflore wants to run the football more. They drafted a tight end for two tight end sets member derrick henry with the titans last year running over people to the playoffs package. They're going to do that with aaron jones. I like this team a lot. I do believe they win. The north and the chicago bears are gonna the the team. I have fallen out for the packers. Green bay has addressed their corner. Linebacker and safety concerns the last two drafts and free agency so i think it's errands best defense in years new playoff team number four j. mac tomorrow's headlines today was if he this was one of my questionable ones the headline you could see the jersey in the background will be the the ryen king agree with you okay because they fell apart physically in september last year. Darius jones at linebacker. There's no way you could overcome that and now the schedule joel as early as very difficult early for the first three games or big challenge second half of the season. They'll be favored in six of their final. Seven the big question for me is convict beasley. Get any pressure sure on the quarterback because the secondary is not very good and if you can't get to the quarterback and the secondary is not good coming off these injuries lastly devante freeman yes now if he's healthy amazing komo. They gave him a huge contract. He got hurt week one. It was done so if you don't have him kind of hurts the ridley julio combo but i like the falcons to get to the playoffs so do i in the n._f._c. in the division where where it always feels pretty close. It's a game here. It's a game. They're finally new playoff team number five tomorrow's headlines. This is the favorite headline of everybody who helped me write. This and i don't think anybody has these guys in the playoffs. The headline will be well. Is it matt special. You know you're you're you know you love martin short and dana carvey of course the church lady so a little nod to s._n._l. There i do not agree with this. Gimme the reason yeah so matt patricia was in year one with the lions aliens and he didn't have any of his guys in place his strategy when when you read about what he likes to he likes to pressure three or four and lettuce secondary do the work just like bill belichick. He didn't have a pass rusher last year. They had no pass routes. Whoever so what does he do he goes and steals. Bella checks trey flowers so now they have the pass rush. I do believe that they drafted for for the first five guys on defense. This defense is going to be much better. Matt patricia is going to have them in games in collin. I can't stress this enough. They were a bet on team for me. Last year with carry-on johnson the running back member they beat the patriots early. Whoa kerryon johnson the kid had auburn's pretty good and i'm telling you this offense will hum keep an eye on t._j. Hopkinson cent. Yes you plan any fantasy. Football fees rookie tight end from iowa. He's going to be a he's going to be all rookie team. No yeah kenny golladay. I love the detroit lions colin. Take it to the bank all right jason mcintyre the j. mac journal tomorrow's headlines today. We'll see you monday have a great and safe weekend. Hey it's r._j. 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LIVE from Miami: Chiefs hype, NBA logo change petition, Willie Snead joins, and more

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LIVE from Miami: Chiefs hype, NBA logo change petition, Willie Snead joins, and more

"Hey Yeah Jimmy here when you speak for yourself you're forced to think for yourself and when you think for yourself the sports world looks in order to enjoy this podcast and this show. You need to have the courage to look at the world from alternative points of view and not be offended when you disagree speak for yourself. Isn't your twitter facebook instagram feet. SF Y tells you what you need to hear and not what you want. So welcome aboard buckle love and enjoy to start here in Miami all right. This is super bowl is nothing like I expected. The chiefs are the Rock Stars and the forty niners of the indie band with a great lead singer House. Shanahan's Super Bowl. Fifty four is beatle mania featuring the Kansas City chiefs has behold John Lennon. Andy Reid is Paul McCartney Travis Kelsey Ringo Starr and Tom and Matthew is George Harrison. I wasn't fair for this. My mother moved to Kansas City in nineteen eighteen eighty four. My senior high school moved to Kansas City. A decade later to be the lead sports columnist at the local newspaper. I've been following winning wooden for the chiefs for thirty six years. I thought one day that would make it to the Super Bowl. I am visit him. Being the an underdog story led by a group of mostly. No name. You guys in a nasty defense. I never dreamed we'd be the Beatles football it's always like I need a daily reminder. The chiefs are playing this Sunday. All of the major is your headlines and stories are about. The cheese is patched mahomes destined to be the greatest quarterback of all time. Is Andy Reid. The second best coach after Bill Belichick is Kansas City's office. It's the best we've seen since the saint. Louis Rams greatest show on turf the chiefs of the loud arrogant team overflowing with Swagger Eirik Hills unafraid. To say no one can stop. Casey's passing attack Frank Clark said he's looking forward to holding the Lombardi trophy more than facing George tiddle. There's so much noise and hike coming out of Kansas City. The normal knows hike. May by Richard Sermon is being drowned out the cheese I could scheme out of New York Los Angeles more than not from flyover country. The whole thing is fun but it's also a little bit disconcerting. I was expecting candidates that super bowl team to feel like Hootie and the blowfish. It's not the Beatles or Wu Tang clan. It took me ten years to figure out who these real name was Darius. Rucker and I still can't name one. Other member of the group held for all. I know Marcella ourselves within Hootie and the blowfish who can recognize another blowfish Hootie and the blowfish led by Gunther Cunningham Elvis bareback and Donnell Bennett home tells I repeal Andy Retirement Matthew all of this feels like a dream something too good to be true. I'm a little worried. All the hype and the noise are going to give San Francisco and emotional edge. Maybe it's superstition paranoia. But I'm worried. This dream is going to turn turn into a nightmare ourselves. Get US rolling. Should I be concerned the chiefs to get into my type. Let's stay in the music. Analogy time for you. To faced music. Brother does not matter what's going on in storyline media when it comes to playing. The game of football game of football is about preparation and that preparations the separation. And when you're in knows moments of truth I don't care what people say about you. I don't care what people think. Think about you. I don't care what you think about self. Are you ready to execute an net. Moment of truth I said that would Barry Sanders one time and just marveling offline his greatness and I said it's just one time just one time and I remember him saying you know the difference between six Shar loss. In a sixty yard touchdown Laura six inches gap discipline. I disciplined you out of position. That's the difference not six media requests not six articles who's written. It's about being ready in this moment. We've seen media darlings out there and have amazing. Success also saw wet the bed so in a situation like at this. I would just go out there if I'm the Kansas City chiefs. I'm not counting. What's happening on the outside sphere? It doesn't matter if they introduced the forty niners. I are introduced us. I you can look at that two different ways. If we go first they know where to stuff if we go last saving the best for last is all the story that you tell yourself. We'll make sure you tell yourself the most important story be ready for those moments of truth. Okay well if chief's Fan I have to have a ton of trepidation. Dacian going into this game. You cannot buy into the hype of selling off in selling touchdowns and selling long passes and mahomes homes becoming the greatest quarterback of all time. This forty nine has defense is more than capable of dismantling that Kansas City offense and furthermore wrong mentally God dismantling that Kansas City defense and furthermore for what could actually happen and could be even more of a factor in this game is. We're really not talking about the forty niners. Offense people are not not talking about the matchup as it applies to offenses versus offenses. Not Apples to apples. This is an apples to oranges comparison. Everybody thinks it's the niners defense defense versus the Kansas City offense. And what I'm telling you right now you better pay attention to the way. The forty niners have been running the football. Pay Attention to the way Garoppolo Rob Lowe has been protecting the ball and his confidence level. I think is going to be a very very hard task for Kansas City to be able to beat this forty niners team. I would say this I think one. It's really important. How you hear that noise? If you're the chiefs do you buy into that hype. Do you listen to that noise. Do you let it affect you get overconfident. Because that's the worst thing that can happen to you. Here's the thing that I think would settle me down if I was chief fan. I'm not because I hate to cheat with the white hot thousand. It's not so but if I was cheese fan this would call me a little bit. They have overcome adversity but twenty four. Nothing a Ah you know twenty one nothing lead and a seventeen nothing lead and they have stayed true to who they. Are you know the whole game plan when you face the chiefs is hey. The normal game has eleven. Lebanon twelve possessions. Can we keep it down to eight. If we can keep it down to eight you know then because we possess the ball we run the ball San Francisco. Then we'll all right well. What happens if Kansas City scores? Six eight possessions. It doesn't matter that you keep them down to eight position. So if they had just come out and trucked both Houston and Tennessee deep from the store if they never faced any adversity. I would be much more concerned about the hype that is going on right now. But because they've had overcome those deficits because they've how to overcome and fight through that potential pitfall. It doesn't concern me that they're going to let that go. Let Their Ego's grow in what they've accomplished so far. We would both agree though. I think we would all agree. Houston and Tennessee. Far Inferior football teams to the Kansas City chiefs. San Francisco is not a far inferior football team. I think the chiefs are better but is so close if someone argues the other side. They're legitimate as well. I would just grew. I think I think San Francisco's a better football team. There in Kansas City has a more dynamic quarterback any better offense in a more not a better offense offense more dynamic off and so I think we would all agree if it seventeen nothing San Francisco at any point in this game chief saying one talking tough to say that I wouldn't go that far. I will say this that the media is not allowed in the meeting rooms and that's not confuse. These players are talking talking about everything. We're going to bring up plus some full preparation of this game. And it's amazing that right now if you look at the forty niners as an opponent own it you're like trying to pick your poison because they're running game that running game is outstanding and then you talk about Jimmy Garoppolo. Everyone has something to say. Negative Aug. about Jimmy Garoppolo except he puts points on the board number one scoring. We're talking about the chiefs number two scoring. Since he's been Jimmy Garoppolo. He could be. See Your game manager exploits you if you don't respect him as a pastor so I just look at the story lines are obviously going to be for the teeth. They're more explosive explosive and they never been here. We're selling subscriptions up here brother. We've seen a forty niners here seven years ago. WHO's talking about that today? No never seen in in thirty six years of following a team that talks the way. This chief seem does and that's what's disconcerting to me. And lets you hear coaches say. All the time you're reading your press Clinton will get caught up in that and and I hope it works hole seventeen. Nothing is a game over. Yeah I'll tell you why you wouldn't have said that last week ten or not not not not with the forty niners with the forty niners tell you I seventeen not the means game you got ask some dogs upfront. Maybe some lines tigers and bears But they don't necessarily come come after you and are able to get to you. It's more of an experience rat zoo. you get up seventeen points. You're not at the zoo in safari and once you're in insofar is safe as you think you are. You can still get picked up and I'm telling you right now though defensive front would be off the chain would a seventeen point. I would not want to see any team right now. NFL going against that defensive front with a seventeenth spot in Whiteley again. That's my the chiefs. I was talking to. I was talking to Erik Manzini and genie in the Green Room before. And he's he we were talking about. Hey the chiefs have been a little sloppy early in game dropping balls Fall in behind and obviously dropping punts and things like that. They've been sloppy early. And it's not the chiefs may be blessed with too much talent. 'cause I'm Doug you have to. You don't have to concern yourself with all the details and I think the details will matter this Sunday. And I think that this whole narrative of the chiefs being the greatest thing to hit football and kind of having this New York swagger to him Joe Nemeth or the Richard Sherman. That's how this team feels like Richard. Sherman is the leader of this team and it's not a detailed oriented team and it scares me. I will tell you you look at just the niners in general defensively and I think this is a. I'm a believer in the keep it simple stupid process right unbelievable and this is what we are. This is how we got here. Would you look at Robert Solid Defense Coordinator of the San Francisco Forty niners. They they essentially play. You know a former cover three. He brought it with Seattle from him. Right a matchup three and when you when you are simplistic in what you do in. Everybody is on par and on the on the same page with what you do. And you have the beasts. East's up front that they have they can line up five first round draft picks as defensive. Line them up and they come after you that way. But when you run one thing and you run it exceptionally well it eliminates it eliminates you your ability to have to think it eliminates your ability make mistakes and it lets you play as a defensive offensive player faster and that's what that's to me. It gives them a slight advantage from that standpoint of what everybody else does trying to say. Hey or we even trick. You're not going to trick mahomes. You're not gonNA show him something that he's even if you did him. Initially on the initial read on the pre snap. Look mahomes can hold the ball. And he's like I used to say that Aaron Rodgers is the greatest platform thrower. I've ever seen. I think I think mahomes has usurped him as the greatest Al Platform throw I've ever seen so even if you trick them. Initially he can hold the ball he can scramble around he can make a play with his feet or with his hands. So I think the simplistic nature of San Francisco gives them an advantage. Compared to the other teams that can't pansies facing ploughs here. Think about the expectations to be dominant. I think that's what they suffer from. In the first two rounds they were supposed to dominate. Houston they're supposed to dominate Tennessee. The Kansas City chiefs and that's a pressure to be perfect. And when you're fully confident you may skip a fundamental step in the pursuit of being perfect or going out there and dominating then you take a collective breath as a team owner. This is do the little things that's GonNa add up to something big and that's what happens in these situations nations. I see that this team has confidence and that confidence when it smacks whip phrase when it comes from outsiders. It doesn't do anything to you. It does something to the guy who's not confident. He may start Rina's press clippings because he's now thinking of a new identity or this instead of who I really am. I think this team led by. Patrick Mahomes is going to go out there and this time because they're not expected to dominate. They're not expected to go out there and beat down the forty niners. They're going to be ready for every single. I think I know where you're at almost LAVAR. Do you like Kansas City. Coming into this game with this much confidence swagger the attitude that they're showing I do I do and and the reason why like the the confidence and attitude is something that one. They've they've brought excitement to their market. That has not existed. Yeah they've been accustomed team for so long and I think that they've given not only themselves a lot of of hope and confidence. They're giving their community a lot of confidence. I think have you project and you portray a strong front confident front if you go into it and you win it. I think that the amount of excitement that that comes from resonates donates from that is probably unmeasurable. So I think it's a good thing for them to do. Yeah I do as a matter of fact I mean I. There's such a difference French between confidence and arrogance see confidence. Confidence is is bred from your ability knowing that you put the work in and knowing that you're talented ended enough because you put that work in arrogance comes from a place of fear. I haven't put the work in. I'm not that talented. So let me put out my chest and let me talk now. I'm off it's of line and so nothing good can happen to you when you play offensive line and a football game there is nothing good. It's all one hundred percent bad so I am. I am little chicken. Little The sky's sky's falling. I'm Horton hears a WHO man. I'm always nervous about those things handed nightclub right but Kansas City right. Kansas City to me has earned the right to the have that confidence right now and have some because what they've done not only over the last two years but what they've done and overcoming the playoffs alternative. Oh shucks so happy. We're here. 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Walter Kennedy J Walter Kennedy and Alan Siegel who created logo. Do you know that the NBA officially it does not even say that. That is Jerry logo. Jerry West has the logo walk. Because they don't WanNa pay Jerry West simple as that they don't WanNa pay Jerry West and everyone knows in in our world icons get richer indepth than they do in life took a state of Kobe Bryant. There's going to be an issue. Issue of legalities financial reasons and concerns Jerry. West says in his nicest way. It's complicated being the logo. He he has not gained a dollar of residual from being the logo despite being the logo so now moving forward many people on record who. We're part of this creation process looking at four says what day a commissioner may change it but I don't think they're going to change it for individual. They're going to do something that respects the sport court at large but this is something that really is financially expensive it will bring in legalities more than just the tremendous gesture for tremendous mundus player is deeper than that. Would it be a good idea. Yeah and they should change. And and I'm GonNa tell you why Jerry West has been a logo for fifty years since nineteen seventy nine the players. Now they know Jerry West for two things the logo. NBA Good Gm. They don't know him from playing basketball. They don't know who Jerry in West is planned. Bats not today's player that's number one number two with today's player majorities guys grew up idolizing Koby and when you get arguably the best player League League John is say oh man that would be a good look. You have to serious only you gotta think about Tj. I understand you come in everything from a player's perspective right. The logo is really about fans. And and so it's great that the players love Blah Blah Blah and the majority of the NBA fans are young kids. That would one. Do it sucks for when somebody some negative happen with. Kobe's pass say oh. Let's do this but when you think no today's player they know of jury. SPN SPN AGM now to me. It's only fitting in ninety six. He tried to Lottie d-box to Charlotte Kobe. Bryant to me. It's only fitting like this asking the torch I I I'm winning. Based off of Marcellus is logic I went with no I said in reality. -ality no and fantasy. Yes but as I thought about it more okay now I start thinking about some of the issues that the NBA has ran ran into this year. That whitlock has made very clear and some of his wit logs. If you're going to take a moment to rebrand and re boot and try to clear you're you're image or create a different image and going a different direction when you take a happening. Like what has just happened with Kobe Bryant. Kobe represented I don't see it being as a grievous as as it may initially seem to say no don't do it. I really think that you could make this into something again. I I sit on the show yesterday that Kobe. Bryant's legacy as a basketball player. Void of anything else as a basketball player is is that up on the level of Michael Jordan. Could I see the jump man being a logo for the NBA. I could you can because that way too into it but let me answer. I get it man I flow. I Love I agree with you in terms of rebranded the NBA's about to pivot David. Adam silver's talking about mid season tournament. They're talking about reducing the number of games the NBA is looking to rebrand itself and to pivot a a little bit in a new direction. And so I think if you do a logo. That looks like Kobe the way they've done with Jerry West because it's just a silhouette little wet or rob. Yes or no but no much because first of all they'll never admit to it. Whatever the silhouette it is? Yeah and people is that Jordan. Or is that Coleman okay. Let's because West for so long. They could do the same thing to so. Whoever is just a silhouette I have missed sheen gun responses? First of all what is coby signature logo. What is that? Is it him tearing opened a chess when he it was really chipped. Shot fadeaway. Yeah Okay we already taken a little bit off of what the logo supposed to represent which is brand recognition for a business unspoken language. This logo says that it's like static motion as they describe it. It speaks volumes and best logos are not fashionable. Yeah they're not fresh older dusty notices so look at apple when Steve Jobs passed away being respectful. I know it's called Apple. So they kept the apple but no conversations or movement to making it Steve Jobs as form. So this is the same thing. And then in the same articles that I've read Alice Siegel and others were San. Would it be if it was injured. Lebron worth is. You can't do that. Because there are like fifty generational superstars that will raise their hand quietly respectfully say what about me so this situation I think is gonNA stay static. They're going to have a lot of conversations but I don't. I think anything move by Fox. Sports analyst Eric Mangini and Jeff Schwartz who brother their midst will be starting interbike. Tackle my cameras in teams on Sunday protecting my man. Patrick Mahomes time now for big story presented by Hyundai talk about the homes. Speculation is heating up around the league. The quarterback is soon headed for a huge payday with a lot of tall that he could end up as the NFL's I two hundred million dollar man home. No doubt deserves the money but there is concerned that a contract worth forty million or so a year could hamstring the chiefs. Moving forward forward would a contract of that hurt the cheese. No it wouldn't hurt cheese. Give you guys a low fat knowledge knowledge on the Super Bowl. This is the widest disparity that we've seen in the super bowl in terms of spending of two opponents. Get the forty niners from spent two hundred twenty one million dollars cap space and other things and they're in the Super Bowl and the team to spit. The least are your Kansas City chiefs. That one sixty seven and that's a small point you could spend the most it'd be here you can spend at least it'd be here. It doesn't matter at one time. The quarterback of the forty niners was the highest paid player in the NFL NFL. And they were still able to build from that roster to this roster debt is now super bowl words eat so is different ways to skin the cat. Whatever way you want a skin there are still ways you could have a roster desk constructed? That could be a super bowl opponent. Well when you look at this spending two hundred million dollars I'm better than homes. You're happy to do it and there's so many players that you're unhappy spend. We have to spend four especially in free agency contracts. We're all happy with that but the The just the crux of it is if you you have a guy like him who produces the way that he does. Eventually you're going to have to pay you're satisfied because you know what he brings the table and he's a force multiplier now from melodic standpoint paying someone. WHO's the exact same person a lot more money? Yeah it does hurt what you can do because the resources are limited but at least you're putting putting the money into someone that can they can allow you to compete for a championship every year. It's going to hurt them in building enough talent like we've seen with a bunch other teams but Pat Mahomes. uh-huh is that good. It does not matter. Pay Him whatever he wants. I give them a ten year deal. Four hundred million to spread it out over ten years. I don't know if he's a take that deal. And the just know that you're locked in your quarterback for ten years and you figure everything else out. They've drafted well recently. Too which is important part of paying someone that much money. You have to draft well and hit when guys are on the rookie contractor. Do some of their defensive players like they've done with a couple of its alignment done with Hill and Chelsea in Harmon. All of these guys home. That's special to where you have to pam first of. Aw and even if you pay them a lot of money you're not as talented. Maybe other places he can win enough games where it does not matter that special player. I certainly for pain gene chip in. But there is like this stat out there that you know. Brady's the highest paid quarterback to ever win a super bowl and that was twenty and a half million dollars and so the way to win. The Super Bowl is right now. When you have Patrick Mahomes on the cheap you've paid for very good offensive offensive tackles you were able to go out and get Frank Clark? He brought in tyrant matthew. You overpaid Anthony Hitchens They've done a Lotta a lot of paid tyreek hill. I'm not sure where there would travis tells him going to have to pay him and so I think it's the right thing to do to pay but but I do think it makes the job of being general manager and head coach more difficult after you pay for with a guy like that. He's a force multiplier. So so what I mean by. That is when one human being can affect those around in a positive way and Tom Brady is a force. multiplier doesn't matter who plays with him he he makes them better. He makes average guys. Look look good play better and Patrick's the same way. He makes his offense line look better than they necessarily are. He'll make younger occur players better because of the things that he can do. So so. That's that's a helpful component of that. What I get frustrated with is when you pay a quarterback market value which every every time we pay quarterback? We're a little bit shocked by what it is and then we talk about. We need to Toronto with weapons. Thank you can't do you can't do you. Can't have it both ways. If you WANNA be the the guy to whom much is given much is expected you need to be able to make the people around you better. And that's what he does. Different than smother high paid quarterbacks rhetorical question here here is Patrick. Mahomes better than Jimmy. Okay all right. So Jimmy Dis on a team that is to fourteen. He comes to a situation that was two or fourteen become the highest paid player the year after that six ten gets injured. Four twelve thirteen at three. They're in a super bowl. They built around him as the highest paid player player in the League. And you can do it the way that you do it like the forty niners. Do you build up the middle running backs they're cheaper full best for your. I have a good one. Let's stay on the line. A little cheaper. Don't build on outsides. cornerback wide receivers. You got an issue there. Tight ends are tied in. That's my point like so there's a way to go out there and slice it up and still take care of your MVP but also make sure you give them proper four. Four bad years in San Francisco Dad really high draft picks and then they hit on some guys in the fifth round with your kid. What a fifth rounder? They hit on some guys to in the draft they did pass on. Patrick Mahomes I have. We don't really talk about that. So yeah you you can build that way but nobody wants to go through those four years of really bad add teams to get the top. Traffic's one other wildcard and this is the new CBA which will come out eventually in a year or two right so this might be with the players. Get more money. The cat might jump. We've a new. TV deals coming up. So forty million. A year might not seem like it might seem a lot now but in a year or two. It's it's really a bargain Jeff. I've been talking to the fans ends back here. You're a force multiplier. You made me look a lot better. I mean wouldn't everybody. He's definitely a good to have you here. Turbo tax is here to help this taxes and by making tax filing easier for you made it their mission to give you all the tools and advice you need to get your taxes done and with confidence like making uploading your W. Two as easy as taking a picture. Just use your phone or tablet to simply snap a picture of your W. Two and then and watch your information appear in the right place in your tax return you can be sure your filing your taxes correctly. While at the same time they can shoot. You're getting the best possible refund. Turbo Milton all people taxi for Dardanelles. Another day speak for yourself with locking Wiley. TJ Hussein's aww. Back with US and now we're joined by ball state and Baltimore Ravens Finest Wide Receiver. Willie snead Willie snead in the house. You know I love so right now maybe I done now. I heard you got a special question today. Takeaway homeboy here. Go ahead and talk. Some ball. allstate legend man. No doubt he's not the only one onset today. You got some boy out. It's pretty good in the sixties or seventies. We all have pretty good readers if you look at these stats. When he was pretty good in a classroom? A four point. Oh I love the three three not so much but definitely a little better on the field. But I'm purely losing most important category glorious salary willy. How would you rank us in the Boston? Legend Mac real real. I'M GONNA give it to the vet it to lead to give me lying. Most was the elder we got the fans the man but we put in some years at Boston. You know to the ballgames. Let's be real. Somebody has to be objective. TJ What are y'all still plan could still play didn't wedlock peace through the building. GPA's actually ally to Hawgood. You guys really work. We're not too too. I was a free man the album Willie I man number one because your salary of so long ago you number two. That's why so I gotta put Wheelock to the unreal. I right right. Let's get to the real. What happened in the playoffs man? We wanted to see Lamar versus Patrick Mahomes. The I'd say the Tennessee Titans. It's a really good team. They were ready to go. I mean they were feeding off that that Patriots win and I think coming off the bye get down early. You know that really hurt us in a position vision. We weren't ready to be in and then from there. We were just trying to play catch up and we just didn't get get back into the game I really wanted to. Yeah they say playoff. Football is playing football because both teams are good. So plan versus plan. Guess neutralize at times but then you get into play. I'm beat. What did you guys see on field that you didn't anticipate you didn't see if film study but all of a sudden it's a reality? Yeah I mean like I said the Tennessee. Titans were really good team. And when we think those fourth down conversions I think it hurt us and then they went up top quick and We think really getting into a rhythm like we were all season. And that's where really hurt us and when we got down we were trying to get into that rhythm again we try to get into it in the second half but It really wasn't going in our favor and we just it was tough. It was really tough. So halftime it's a one possession game fourteen to six. What was the message at hat? Ah No need to panic we score. Were right back in this game. So what was the message at halftime. Message don't panic we right here we right. We want to be zero zero zero. You know he's got come on and play our brand football and You know we didn't get that fourth down conversion and we gave him the ball game that's Derrick. Henry just started light it up. I feel like the defense did a great a job for the most part containing him but in the second half I feel like that's when dare can restart come alive and our offense. We're just getting down some most so it's like we still playing catch up from the Willie on Marcellus was the first guy I think really nationally there was like Lamar. Jackson is going to be the next big nick thing. It took me some time to see it from him as a thrower and then the next thing that I saw that made me like only gotTa jump on board. He started wearing unleash shirts. No one cared work. No one cares work harder. His energies seemed very humble very team oriented. He he's not flossy like I thought he might be in. That made me jump on board with Lamar with both feet. Like holy cow. His attitude and play matchup together is he is humble and his into hard work as much as he seems from out in Los Angeles watching Y'all absolutely and even behind closed doors and it's like the guys always wanted to get better and you know when you have a guy like that the helm that wants to give better each and every day and expects guys around him to be on that same level you. You can't help yourself so to get better and You know he's a great kid. He's young he's only like twenty two he's still got so much more to grow in this game but from everything he's done. This past season is just. He's Kinda just setting the standard. For what how he's GonNa play. How future quarterbacks are GONNA play this game now? I can't say loud enough. How Amazing Lamar Jackson is? But they're still. Wow they're still naysayers year one he's flacco offense and he evolve year to to. Mvp What do you think. The next step was necessary suit for his evolution. I think we just gotTa continue to prove that passing game. I mean He. He has trouble throwing the ball because he does. He does everywhere by this thing like route concepts. UPS and Scheming Ski are scheme. Offense needs to just progress for him to be able to evolve into a quarterback that we all know he can be. I mean I feel like. He's a huge a great passer. He's got taken great strides in doing that but his his run abilities just is unmatched right now. And I feel like that's what people get captured up in his Ryan ability that they don't see that on the it could possibly be will be I just think are passing game as much as it can improve. We will improve improve so now we're here for the Super Bowl guys. Play the forty niners. So you lost when you played the chiefs who you beat now. Being a wide out everybody talks about San Francisco's defense. What problems with Kansas City's defense present in a secondary to San Francisco's wideouts? I think the chiefs play a lot of men and they got really really good. Secondary young secondary a lot of skill players tyrant matthew couple of corners. Really good and I just think that when it comes down to it is all about beating your man being Dan. You want on one match ups and creating that separation as a receiver. That's all we. That's all we taught secre separation and keep it moving so I just think the forty nine have enough weapons to do that. To create separation contained mood chains. But I think it's going to be a great match up with the chief seconds because they got a Lotta guys that are you know. They're faster athletic. Athletic and they they make plays on the ball. So you know it's going to be one that Boston they're gonNA see a lot of guys compete for the ball and I expect the you know to be a good match. Do you have a pig. Do if you had to guess chiefs forty nine. I'm going with the chiefs next exhibition. Pindar homeboy the plays for a forty niners war central high school. I probably favor ball state a little bit more and I love boat but I gotta go with the chiefs here even my boys Sheldon Day but I explained your. I'm sorry I cut you know I mean shoot I remember playing the chiefs and their offense is unmatched and they they got really high powered offense and even when they're down twenty four nine out the game and that's scary to me because is the forty niners do a great job of jumping off Haute but then the chiefs are just good enough office to come back and to continue to keep that progress and so this is scary right now I I ask this question man everybody here fluff in and I love you to Willie snead but there's nothing better than winning except if you're the reason you're winning and being receiver with the Arabia's a lot of these guys like Dang tide is eaten a number C resist. What's your level of frustration being a receiver at times in this offense? It's up there especially on Game Day. You know it's it's the journalists pomp and the emotions are going and you just want to get into a rhythm you want to get involved but the way our offense is set up the way Greg Ryan is just it goes through the run game and through the tight end and then the receivers there and we we make our place when we have and that's what they expect for us to do about earlier vast evolution team and offense is going to have to make. Hey Kid I'm happy when we win but when you're not getting a ball you like come on man they wanna come talk to. You really. Don't WanNA WANNA do an interview and so is that the evolution that you were talking about earlier with Jason is we have to evolve in get myself the ball more and get Hollywood brown the ball a a little more. If we're going to take that next step is that and it's also getting comfortable with making those plays and for the Marta. See those plays a continue to Tom because once he's couple of doing it there won't be any hesitation patients that he's comfortable on between in the middle of it. Exactly I mean. That's that's what he has to expect from us to get open. Willie what are you twenty. Six twenty seven twenty-seven and so and I say this like as a ball state big brother speaking like. Hey you gotta make money in this league you got you WanNa win but you want a Mac south the amount of money you can make an that is my concern. You were in New Orleans with drew brees and you were on track putting up numbers and that's where I'm a little concerned. I think you got a one year. Deal the one year extension and so how much are you thinking about that in terms of I got a maximum my money in this little short window. Yeah I mean it's like you said the clock is ticking for me and I definitely want to Max out everything that have for this game. Hey and I mean Baltimore brought me in from new ones. I mean I could have stayed in New Orleans but very much like we need you. We want you and I wanna be where I wanted so Baltimore wants me. They gave gave me a nice extension this off season one year. Deal just to know that I'm be here next year and then I just take it every chance to every opportunity from there. I know they'll give me more opportunities to they've invested in me and that's the hard work I am continue to put in that work and be humble and be a professional for these guys in my room but I'm not worried about the production or the time it's like that's GonNa is GonNa come and when I when it comes on why does WanNa promise you this if it ends for you and the NFL. I got a job for Watson. You put us not the worried about the money you got them changed up here right. They're saggy teammate. With doornail man. He walks around here all he does. Eating lift weights team was out the gate man when when he first got the boss they all he was doing with eating ways. Man Working hard being a leader man. When I left out the Bill De ed guy? He was the leader. Everybody looked at him and I was proud of him because just to see his growth and to be the guy that he is today everything doing nothing but respect for you. Elementary Eric. Mangini is back doing this. Now is one of the the smartest minds and football warn Shar from sharp. Football analysis returned to Patrick Mahomes who has been pretty busy in his first two seasons as a starter starter winning. MVP last year and make it to the Super Bowl this year. A lot of teams lepto mahomes in the draft but the chiefs actually traded up to take him tenth overall. Abby Reed said yesterday before the draft. She's general manager. Brad vs told him the whole was the greatest player if ever scout that makes me think of the question if breath visa how come no one else saw what. Why didn't everyone else see the greatness in Patrick Mahomes yeah man and I feel this one personally obviously into a small school and going through the draft process and I think a lot of times evaluators can't believe they're lying eyes and I'm not even GonNa keep this so personal? I was in San Diego when Ladainian Tomlinson was drafted number five raw from TCU and there were nothing but questions and criticisms really because because of the style of offense but more so where you went to school so it's interesting when you look at players that go to these schools what we've seen other prospects fail fail the USC quarterback all of a sudden this generalization occurs where you look at that same player not through the isolated scope of what their talent he is you start to take into other factors of. Oh but someone else from that. School wasn't good. They always put up good numbers. But I'm glad that at the Kansas City chiefs organization in unison found the opportunity and use their minds to say this guy special. This fight circumstances I agree. I think you look at the conference that he played in. And you look at the Crutch of the coaching and the play calling that he had in some of those advantages I think if they use that a lot of evaluators potentially use that as a knock against that player. They think. Well how's he going to translate and transition into the NFL or we're doing pro style. Things what is he going to do. When he's forced to play within the structure of the offense I think it's brilliant first of all that he was paired with a coach? Like Andy Reid. Because because Andy Reid maximizes so much of what a quarterback's able to do and makes that quarterbacks job easier on him. A lot of coaches want to fit quarterback to their system. But what really does very well. He tries to play to the strengths of that quarterback while also doing a lot of little things that go unnoticed on the big picture. But that really early make quarterbacks job a lot easier if there's a lot of reasons that's happened. Why does Tom Brady get drafted in the sixth round? Why does Aaron Rodgers Drop Wise Ben Rothlisberger deeper during the drafting and there were a lot of people that Patrick Mahomes and the reason Kan city did trade up is because there was another team there was going to draft him right right in that area but if it was the best player are they had ever seen ever seen? Why wouldn't they have traded up even further if there's really that conviction why didn't they wait? You have to say after so everybody is uniquely successful. There's a thousand people that knew it. We drafted Durell Rita's and after that. Everybody said well of course we knew he was going to be a hall of fame quarterback back. It's easy in retrospect to say of course we felt that way. We had this huge feeling. Why wouldn't give up everything in your draft to make sure you got that that guy you don't have you can say you don't have to but if you have that much conviction on a franchise changing quarterback you give give up whatever you need to give up to make sure that he's in the building so to say that he's the best player you ever scouted but yet you set where you said and you could have easily lost them and look for all the degree for all the geniuses? Look at look at San Francisco. Didn't they draft Solomon Thomas instead of Patrick Mahomes so there's a lot the people. This is an imperfect for perfect science so to say after the fact you had that conviction. I think it's a little bit easy. Believe what what Andy Reid is saying. There's no reason to lie here. They only defeat bread vs extra gas. Look if you stay that conviction conviction is start. I'M GONNA move up to number one to get Patrick Mahomes. If you start making those inquiries other people around the Lingo Damn Kansas City see something impact impetuous and then they're going to go look and the price goes up or you're going to get disclose figure it out. Oh you know people figure stuff out is when you tell them. That's the problem. And that's that's what happened to the teams that Kansas City traded ahead of. They talked all about how much they loved. Patrick mahomes that's why Kansas City jumped and he's not any. Here's what I tell you. The Tom Brady analogies not right. There wasn't anybody they could say. Well I thought Tom Brady would be the greatest. There's not anybody that can say. I thought Tom Brady was going to be a pro bowl. Every teen passed on him multiple times. Okay but there are a lot of people who said after the fact we had them really high at our draft ward. But so-and-so wanted to pass on. You've heard it you've heard it. We had him so much higher. You're GONNA hit a home run. Call Your shot okay. But I'm just I think it's stupid and I would include myself in the stupidity. I didn't see this coming evening but when you look at Patrick Mahomes now to me. There's only one comparison John elway. I think he walks liking. I think he moves moves liking his arm and some of the things I do on the field and John elway was such a can't miss prospect. Everybody can see it. They didn't win a bunch of games at Stamford effort. But everybody can see it. They didn't win a bunch of games at Texas Tech. I don't know how professional people that it's their job to go. You look at his kids on look at the way moves. Why weren't people say? Hey we've got the next John Elway here well. I think that you're going to take a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes. If he's not with Andy Andy Reid he's going to be a study. He's probably gonNA keep a coach employed for longer than maybe he otherwise should but he's not reaching the ceiling like he is with Andy. Reid I think Andy Andy Reid brings them to the ceiling. That air raid system his mobility. Some people look at that as a knock against Patrick Mahomes. You know he's going to try to run around too much. He's not going to be patient enough off but in today's NFL. You can use those things. We're seeing it with Mark Jackson. You can use a mobile quarterback. I actually favor of mobile quarterback a guy who can get escape eight the pocket a little bit rather than guy who's true statue down their quarterback quote in the pocket we have to respect that the NFL's culture is risk. Averse works is safe then. Sorry so if you look at it. We're all guilty of doing the same thing that the chiefs end up doing but most teams were scared to do which is generalized in psychology. WanNa one about generalizations is for you to be able to step back and say I know what that is without stepping into it to know. Oh exactly what it is and most evaluators won't do that because then once you bring back that evaluation most people will just WanNa hear agreement rather than. Oh I have something profound found so when you look at it. It's the same thing that happens when you say. Oh He's a Harvard student. Wow you don't know how smart he is. Wow when you say Alabama football player. Wow now when you say. Texas Tech quarterback go and that's where his evaluation started unfortunately for him but there's one team that went out there. Roll the dice. Yeah I think that's a little bit of an over simplification. I don't think everybody sits there and says this is where he came from so he must be like this. There is an element of that. I know I know I know how it goes is programs. There are programs for a long time. Ohio state was producing guys that were at the almost almost at the peak of of their ability. And so you had to take that those things in a new car you had other schools were guys tended to be underachievers. It doesn't mean everybody fits that mold but you use all that information to try to make the best decision possible and you're talking about twenty two and twenty three year old young men who are going to be rich famous famous and a bunch of free time. There's an element of risk in every single human. Being you take with that Formula I just want to say this Eric. I mean I think people that watch justice show no that I don't like Eric Mangini. He thinks he knows more about football than I do. And it really annoys me having said all that I think I'm hearing a touch of skepticism about Patrick Mahomes. Are you not sold on him. Being the cream of all quarterbacks right now by by a considerable distance or are you a little skeptical. Patrick mahomes now look. I've been on this show enough time so that you like to anoint. People very early in the careers. No question has been future hall of famers. I mean. I think we've done. I don't know how many quarterback Carson Wentz home you write about a lot of guys and the ones who aren't right about you never talk about again but they're not worthy of look at this point we're going to see where it goes but to me. The difference between Queen Great and greatness is consistency. So we'll see whether or not he has the consistency of the great quarterbacks over time to be the in that discussion right now year won. Mvp Year to a probable super bowl winner type consists. Is that what you're looking for. I mean look if two years for for you a monster consistency. That's my need for greatness. I think that's fantastic. Should we evaluate Tom. Brady's career on just says I two years or his body work. How do you want to do what he's afforded the opportunity to do? He's only had two years have been great for three no. We're discussing his future. We're not discussing. His current situation are we are we looking at. I agree thoroughly agree with me. Patch homes the greatest. When you've ever say he is the greatest quarterback in the NFL right now? I think you can only work with what you've been given. He's done nothing but meet. Our expectations were exceed them in the NFL so far in his career. There's no reason to expect him to start failing him with his talent or with. Andy Reid is still head coach. Those guys aren't going to derail themselves. I do see injuries. Potentially derailing him if that comes to it but I don't see his talent going Florida you you call for injuries now. No floor on massive off the Mark Jackson. Massive on running quarterbacks I think there are massive edge to the Game Russell Wilson especially. I don't Komo see any reason. Why a running quarterback you're not with Marcella suggesting Lamar is better than Patrick Mahomes? You know not as an overall background author Martin do is play Joe Flacco Zoff is next year when MVP but Lamar Jackson not there. He's right there two different tiers or saint here. Both wants a generational talent. They're both what I mean. We'll never see anything like they changed the game right just like rg three as I know. Yes the Super Bluesy whether or not that plays out but every single year we talk about the once in a generational running back the quarterback that changed the game and then suddenly there's another one who will come on this show and disagree once bought him a eight hundred dollars bottle of wine and wally and this man come here disagrees. Fine how are you evaluate him. We have to take all going to buy the bar area and TJ. Donald returned to the Super Bowl on Sunday. San Francisco Forty niners off into Mississippi. Katie sours will become the first female to ever coach a super bowl. Sour says she wants to make sure she's not the last and also said she absolutely I believe that she could one day be an NFL head. Coach I disagree with this assessment. But I'M GONNA bite my tongue for now momentarily and just ask you think we'll will ever see a female head coach in NFL. I think we we will. I think we can and I don't see any limitations to a woman being a head coach in NFL Le Let's breakdown the qualifications. Obviously experienced matters even more so than playing experience We could we could look at situations where we saul coordinators or even head coach is one of the bill belichick playing in college at Wesleyan Center. Or you can look at a todd. Haley never played it all whatever Golfer for the hell of a Golfer talking trash too so the thing of it is I think the natural evolution I is let them become a woman who is leading the position group always carpooling but never driving. Let's be real every woman in the NFL. Right now is an assistant of something. It's time for one woman to become the leader of at least a group of men to get this real legs. And then all take his organizational support would work in Dallas us. Because you wouldn't have organizational support to empower that head coach but other organizations that are all in. I don't see how gender can limit you in lead man in environmental. I don't believe we'll see one and it's what you just said nobody's GonNa take that leap and let them lead position if Belichick does it and it's successful muscle. It could possibly work but you can barely get a black coach. How you'RE GONNA get a female coach? So they got to really out in the cold Over if you look at what Emmanuel Sanders says. She's one of the coolest coaches I ever had. I like being around her just about how she goes about her business. How he didn't say she was is a great coach? He didn't say she helped me out football wise. He's just talking about her as a person. And so it's GonNa take a very successful coach to go out on the Ledge and say I'll let her lead this position but I don't know if they'll be trustworthy and had that type of failed that she can get the job so we won't see that you know. I thought thought it was a easy no at first and then with a lot of objectivity that has been involved with looking at the complexities within the sport of football. We'll see a a head coach one day and possibly even in the National Football League based off in the Cecil more than anything else we won't see. I don't oh no how long it'll take but ever and that's that's what we ever so I mean maybe we won't see it but ever being in that timeframe I think it can happen. Here's here's why when you look at the participation numbers and the sport of football right now if I were to ask these fine people behind me when you're gonna go decide to play football. The data say what you say. I want them to play on one. Caveat what's the caveat mom says what outfits mom allows him to play he can play all right and I think there's something to that because if these numbers continue to decline based off of MOM's not feeling safe and comfortable with their children participating and football it will ultimately ultimately climb up the ladder food chain all the way to the National Football League you could get to a point. Actually critical mass where the national football league loses some some of what it is that it has based upon the lack of participation in the lack of buy in from the fan base of a woman being coach could actually shift jeff then tire narrative of what a mom may feel may think it may believe in terms of how their kid some good points of. I think always always say football's a TV show the NFL's TV show and if they think adding a female coach care enhances the TV show. Maybe they'll do do because a lot of this what they're doing is for the benefit of the TV show. Bruce Arians has two women on his coaching staff. Forty niners have cook. There's a movement afoot to make women apart of the NFL experience in a bigger. And bigger way. I do think this will be tough to accomplish. Accomplished and to lead a group an entire football team but I it is a possibility I agree with Marcellus though. Let let's start headless. Lead a group here before you start talking about your quality control assistant. Maybe hold a scout board until the players to go on a scout team. Whatever let's get a position listen? Group influence launched the dream to be a head coach. Jimmy's here to help us talk about our already for the candidate. Seems so you Rachel Wardrobe Room. I trouble WHO's the big dummy of the desk. Sad Whitney you settle for everybody to see the coupe us officially of truth in that about my chiefs who are getting a ton of Hyde coming into. Casey has the fastest and most office. We've ever seen any super bowl since the rams greatest show on turf ourselves. Who's the better offense? The homes is chiefs of the greatest show on turf greater showalter. Not even close right now this chief's office not as good as it was last year. But just keep that real so nope doc. I'm going with the greatest show on turf and it was almost impossible to slow them down. We'll see what happens on absolutely crazy. The Kansas City chiefs offense is is better than the greatest show on turf because he still here. Marshall Fox retired so strong Jimmy up on this suport badly. Go on this greatest thing we've ever seen again if you go trying to be cute. 'cause I got the whole I gotTa hold you accountable for Lewitt long this morning. Cheese Patrick Mahomes is prince cute. Excuse currently head a little kid voice. Nobody know what to make of it when he first showed up we Buddhist Purple Rainsy's. Chris came out rain any made a movie. And then when we didn't know what he was doing nobody Oughta be saying patching home and I'll stay with the spirit of this musical fame to it. This is the day. I ain't never go listening listening. This Rebecca Seventy six at boy shot came along and took it from me. I didn't get paid for that. No more and I'm getting paid to listen to this when he where only one game away from say then happy about. Listen let me with fellow ooh Bad Milano say and he's got no way we wanted them out. Now have y'all know kills the man and we just want to give him the mold. Hello let's obese. Ain't giving sermons old ass. No Hey listen no matter where you go on the one gay. Hey we heard nothing approval but I got him at seventy nine three job performance. All goes off pretty simple turf in setting nine. I got a bomb on us. The viewers without Jimmy Yahtzee tomorrow.

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Week 17 Recap: Freddie Kitchens Fired, Patriots Fall to Fitzmagic, and 2020 QB Carousel

"Coming up on today's show ready. gas-fired fits magic foxborough and a whole lot of other epworth close out the regular sees all. Can I break breakdown. The longest list of potential head coaches. You will ever hear top five running backs quarterback carousel and why being an NFL coach. It's like cleaning a dirty diaper. Sometimes sometimes the dirtiest Doodoo is the one you don't see coming all of this and much much more coming up another special holiday edition of Tomahawk Show so in deporting loud uh-huh obviously we're trying to focus on growing one next question. We did go camping out in the late. Can't do I daren't Sir my name is I'm a browns fan. Living in Pittsburgh just heard the news about kitchens you'll nothing organization that's taken my assault in my wealth. Live five under coach Ray go myself. Kristen Brunswick and there's only one solution to the browns. Coaching hurt the two headed monster of Joe. Thomas Andrew Hawkins go out. Welcome everybody to Tomahawk show. I am your humblest of all co host. Andrew Hawkins joined his always by one of the top football players in the history of Football Joseph. Hayden Thomas is. This is a special black Monday. Edition of the Tomahawk Show Official sponsor for this episode black Monday. Joe How're you doing today buddy. You know it's a somber day for me. I dealt with the coaching executions on black Monday during my career and Although there was several times in my career I was happy to see the coach replaced because I felt like they were not the man to to lead the browns into the right direction to the Super Bowl. which we all know it's coming? It's eventually come in. It's right around the corner but in this case Still a little. Let's Sambre even though I think as you guys all know no spoiler alert here. The browns have just let Freddie Kitchens go and I think it's a good decision but still you. You always have like the human side in my head that you know you kind of feel for him as a man as a family man and his family. We'll get to that and the dog check so I don't WanNa get too far down that rabbit hole but there is always like a weird feeling of hope after coach gets fired if you're on one of those teams because typically when you get to that point the team has garnered such direction. Everybody feels attention. How bad it is? And there's always that glimmer of her hope in like wonder inbetween. WHO's coming next? Could this be. It will mean something great for my career and you know that that is it really is a weird insight that I think a lot of people don't realize for the players my question to you. Joe Is this and clearly. Were jumping right to the episode. Like effort Do you have any good stories for an when I say good. I don't mean like joyful stories but good stories about winning coach get fired. What is your best winter coat story? Well I'll say that when the browns hired Eric Mangini we we brought in a bunch of guys from the jets and never forget that they said said. Hey you guys are going to hate playing for Mangini. He's GonNa make your life miserable the day. We fired him. We legitimately through a team party to celebrate. His is being gone and never forget. When Mangino got fired in Cleveland? He was not well liked either because he did make every part of your life miserable and we always used to say he has thought of everything from how the toilet paper is rougher on your butt to making your travel nightmare mayor miserable to make your life as horrible as possible to try to toughen you up and instill discipline and now that I look back I actually looked back very favorably. Finally finally on my juniors because while it was a nightmare and it was miserable and took years off my career. It did make me tougher in the moment. I think it did make me a smarter. Better football player But I I will say that We just the the biggest memory that I have is the night we did fire Eric Manji. Njit some of the offensive Lineman Cave over my house and we ended the night after a few POPs and Alex Mack was in our basement and he was ripping phone books in half half and it was foggy at that point of the night. He's got really big strong hands. And so the next morning I remember going back downstairs and not remembering what Kinda what happened that night and just seeing like a mound of torn phone books on my floor it might as and thinking what kind of dinosaur was hanging out with me last excited and drinking all my beer and ripping on my phone books for all you kids that are under thirty. The phone book was this thing that these three on your front doorstep that had a list of all the businesses and all the people in your area and you could look people's phone numbers up in the phone book and so nobody has skill of ripping phone books anymore. Because it's not there's no phone books know and also I don't think they make humans like Alex Mack. They only make one every ten years. So mixed up and all of this Joe. It was Christmas man. We Christmas since the last time we've gotten together to do an episode. What did you do anything fun? You got any good like good. Cheer to bring this episode. Because it's going to need that'd be a lot of Wa sound effects are going to put on. The back. End Of this episode is always a kind of an interesting time of the year because at the end of the season people are missing. The playoffs coaches getting fired. And it always happens like right after Christmas when it's supposed to be the happiest time of the year So for me. Christmas was great this year. I did my my Saturday calling the Bucks Texans game and then had a nice little stretch where I didn't have to do anything from a TV perspective and so it was great. I got to go up to the loss. Place up in northern Wisconsin. They had like two feet of snow and so we went. SLEDDING and Built Little Snowman and kind of had fun with that And this week and celebrated with my parents at the farm and it was like sixty five degrees and so we were running around in shorts So it's been an unusual Christmas but really fun to always get together and the happiest thing is that I get to talk with Hawk on Sunday. And he's not in a hospital bed so hawk. It seems like the burden long has ravaged you. And it's it's left your body now it's gone back over to Asia and left you a better man. It tried to kill me off. It couldn't work it wouldn't work. It didn't work now but it actually got worse. Since the last episode it was a rough holiday season for your boy Joe because I I flew family out to La so we did Christmas in Los Angeles. Was this year. No Snow did matter those snow back in Ohio. Anyway and so my family's here in for like four days I was just laying face down in the fetal position listen sobbing because I couldn't get over these flu like symptoms. Yeah and yeah my throat hurt. I couldn't talk for like three days. I was coughing up along I had the chills my temperature got up to like a hundred and forty four. I'm back now. Brother and my family is gone there like on flights away out of the cut or out of the city and now things are back to normal you know. Do you buy Christmas gifts for your kids or do you let Kisha do that. Kisha does the majority of the credit cards Christmas shopping and by majority. I mean all of it ever since then Yeah I think I've I've picked like it's always a surprising moment on Christmas when they opened it up because they they're surprised that what they're getting. I'm surprised what do you like. Wow that was really really. There is really a Santa. I didn't buy that for you. What was your kids favorite gift? This Christmas holidays. beat me to the punch. My my only son Jack. He got a like a race track. Hot Wheels race track called colossal crash. It's actually pretty cool. He's just starting to get that age because he's three and a half right now where he started. Enjoy toys that I kind of like to Christmas. I got the set it all up and we went up there and we played colossal crash with his hot wheels for a while. So basically it's a big figure eight race track and in the middle. The cars ars like go run past each other right and on the same track and so it's only a matter of time before they crash into each other and explode the cars go flying off off the track so we bought him twelve a little hot wheels cars and then we got him this track and it's got batteries and little wheels on the side so it just keeps propelling around around until they crash and then it's got two little jumps on it which is really cool so you can either turn the jumps on off so the cars can actually like jump over the top of each other and so he sat there for an an hour just watching these things around the track pretty cool and so I'm looking forward to the future. I'm looking forward to like when he turns about ten or eleven or twelve. Maybe and weeknights on playstation Vue game console is then and I can get into like ten allow shooter games because we played Goldman. That was the big cool game when I was I think I was in middle school. Or whatever or high school On sixty four and then I always loved Madden of always college football. NHL Ninety three he which is way way back when the track and field game on Nintendo ninety three one. Yeah I remember that ten eleven twelve or video games. That's a little late. I think well well I think that's what he's really going to get into it. You know because that's kind of for me what I remember really getting into those games where I'd go down and try to play a whole season of madden over Christmas break and win the Super Bowl and it'll be a great excuse for me to go. Hey out with the kids a little bit and go play Video Games with Jack. How about that is is super into madden has been for like a couple of two years? Now he's like a savant though he's he's going to be the next coordinator he's writing down. The playbook plays so my kids favorite gives my obviously my twin twin four-year-old daughters was Joe. See Wah Oh my you carry on Joe. Joe See Wah concert ticket to and I didn't know. Wow Yeah no I did. So Josie were multiple. She got a robe. She got a pair of socks. Carry on luggage for Georgia's Iwo who is like some some twelve year old pop star that only girls under the age of ten no And then my other daughter GATT. What did she get it? Maybe a a kitchen. She wanted a kitchen with all the fake food like. It's literally more food than actually having a real kitchen and then my son had to favor gifts and this is going to be blast blasphemous to people listening to the podcast job. You can get my son. One of my son's favorite gifts was one of them was. How's Cleveland Browns Checker game? So he probably got about we. Can't we kept the Christmas gives my son's getting that aid we're like toys aren't cool to him anymore. It's weird it's sad it makes me wanna cry cool clothes and shoes for course age. Yeah it sucks man So obvious let's say let's say we got ten gifts. Six or seven of them were Cleveland browns gifts. Okay if you can guess what his favorite was of the other four four seven thousand dollars you get one guess and there were of the non Cleveland Brown Gal not Cleveland browns gifts. At how much are you gonNa then mummy. Seven thousand dollars thousand dollars. A lot of pressure here One for every one of your career you must be a Pittsburgh trick steelers fan. They really came after this weekend by the way. I'm not sure on twitter but anyways I'm GONNA go with. It was probably like a soccer ball or something like that. Yeah you missed out. It was a Lamar Jackson. Jersey Damn should've guessed that that would have been my next guest. I respect respect. Lamar Jackson is the most likable quarterback in the NFL. Right yeah he really is man. It's it's hard to root against the dude. I mean it won't lasts forever. It never does and like it's we'll look Patrick mahomes last year right he was he was the hot thing and he had a great season this year. But he's just like on the back burner right now because of how amazing Lamar Jackson is right and how popular he is and so. There's always the ebb and flow of a career. You know nobody's just great forever for nobody is the most beloved quarterback in the NFL forever. Look at Tom Brady. People are talking about him being dead a year after he won the Super Bowl acting like. Nobody likes Tom Brady. He can't win a game anymore. Twelve and four twelve and four man. What we're going to talk about that too and okay so listen? Check us out on Youtube as well On uncorrupted youtube page. All of our episodes are up on Youtube. We're GONNA Talk Tom Brady. But we're also GONNA hit the browns game the Freddie kitchens firing and all things Cleveland in dog. Check check as you would imagine because we know why you came but first we gotta hit the Tom Headlines. This is a special report from Taller. I just won an upset Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Miami. Dolphins beat the New England with Patriots in week. Seventeen matchup a game. That was huge for New England. After the first time since I think two thousand nine as a result of the loss of the dolphins they will not get first round bye in the playoffs. What does this mean for the Patriots? Chances at a super bowl this year this means that the Patriots will repeat a super bowl because limitless la La. Hear me out of here. Okay so think about the season the Patriots had when they had the perfect season right they they played really hard. They always put their guys out there right till the bitter end Bella check check always makes him play and practice. There's no rest ever. And that's typically when they get the best out of those guys the fact that they lost going into the playoffs bell check as one of the best coaches of all time coming back after a loss and his win. Loss percentage is like astronomical. So when you lose in New England as you would know because you went through a lot of this they make your life absolute hell and actress for some reason brings those guys together. Just ratchet up their attention to detail and they're going to go in there coin. Two dogs dumped the Port Tennessee. Titans uh-huh in that wildcard game and in the NFL playoffs. It's all about momentum and then that is going to be able to build that momentum and I think they're going right to the super bowl and they'll be able to win the super bowl and it's all because of how. They finished the season with a humiliating loss to the dolphins at home. But my question is this this the last time they had to play in the in the wildcard round of the playoffs. I think they loss to the Baltimore. Ravens they've never like since then it's been ten years and this is an old team. They needed a week off of their bodies to recoup it is now like they just lost to a playoff team is not like they. You just lost to a talented team that underachieved. They lost to the Miami Dolphins a team that early in the season we were questioning. Would Dago and sixteen. No it's alarming but people forget Ryan. Fitzpatrick is a really good quarterback. When he wants to be He's the Jameis Winston of of the AFC right now because he's the guy that he might win a game against the best team in the NFL because he can go off and he could have just tremendous hot streaks and and right now he's on a hot streak and so that's why everyone was wondering if the dolphins are really trying to tank? Why are they playing fitzpatrick? Because he's going to go out and win you a fair amount of these games where you're just completely clearly overmatched but he just goes off and looks spectacular. And that's just what happened today. I'm going to say it's going to hurt their chances. I think almost eliminates them from going to the Super Bowl and I might. I eat these words and I get betting against the New England. Patriots is not something you want to hang your hat on. But they got to face the Tennessee. Titans the Red Hot Tennessee. Titans the Red Hot Ryan Tannehill who has a passer rating over hundred has been playing lights out for them had they made him the starter since day. One they might be thirteen. Wins deep this season And not to mention Mike Gabel who is a former New England guy who. I'm sure we'll be up all week. Salivating like this is a big game. This won't be a rollover over win for the Patriots. If they do indeed win from there they gotta go face Who they face to face the winner of the chiefs? They basically would they would go play Kansas City on the road so they gotta go play. Patrick Mahomes Explosive Kansas City chiefs on the road team the loss to and if by some miracle they didn't beat eat them on the road they gotta go on the road against either the Ravens or I'm going to call it now. The Texans are going to beat the bills. And so they're going to have to play either to Shawn John Watson and the Texans or Lamar Jackson and the Ravens on the road to more teams. That already beat the new season to get to the Super Bowl. I just don't see it happening. You're a loss always galvanizes the New England patriots and Tom Brady. They're going to be extremely motivated. They're going to be attention to detail. One hundred knowing that this is Tom. Brady's last season this is his last Hurrah. This is his last run at another super bowl and I just think that the way they got humiliated it always brings the best out of the Patriots. And you're going to see that in the playoffs. All right so the packers Clinton I run by with a come from behind win against the Detroit. Lions and week seventeen Now again with the by and this is a team who we you know. We talk about a little later with a little floor and we'll talk about the coaching changes going on But he's a guy who has come in and put Green Bay back on the right track are the packers a legitimate threat in the NFC to win the Super Bowl Joe. They're a legitimate threat. But I'm not saying that their odds on favorites at all. I think the way that they've been winning razor thin margins here is not sustainable. whoa especially in the playoffs? They're going to have to run into some really good and talented teams in the NFC. And they can't just rely on coming from behind and Aaron Rodgers type magic at at the end of every game and so while I think they're going to win at least one game in the playoffs. I think they do fall in the NFC championship game. Well you know the forty niners as of right now. There's like five five minutes left. I think they're up on the Seattle seahawks twenty six to fourteen. So it's looking like they're going to win. which will probably make them make them the one seed make the packers the to see? How impressive has Matt Leflore bit in his first season as a head coach? Because I remember when we talked head coaches way way back in the day and we said who we predicted it would be the most successful. I will the floor. Because I'm like he's the only one with a good quarterback and here he is making me look like a genius once again Our prices I have. You been specially as a Wisconsin native of matlock floor and season one. If you've been impressed at oh I've been really impressed. And the reason that I thought he'd be such a perfect fit was not only his offense which I felt felt fit perfectly with Aaron Rodgers I thought that his style and personality would mesh perfectly with Aaron Rodgers air. I needed a partner. He didn't need somebody to teach them how to be a professional. He didn't need somebody to teach them how to be a quarterback. He needed somebody to bring a different outlook on the game. Two to you him where they could work hand in hand like partners. Some quarterbacks need a boss some need a partner Aaron Rodgers needed a partner in amount. LEFLORE has been perfect for him is all right. So let's move from there on to our next segment. world-famous am I trip Guys Derrick Henry racked up two hundred eleven rushing out Sunday against Houston. He finished is the season with a league leading. Fifteen hundred forty rushing yards in eighteen total touchdowns and my trip or as Derrick Henry the best running back in the NFL. Who I'M GONNA go first here? Joe I'M GONNA say you're not tripping. He's definitely in the argument. I would say he's won a or one B and we'll. We'll talk a little more in depth about the nick job situation of the guy who I think up there for running backs. I don't really have a top guy. I have a top five. Here's my top five most talented running backs. If I was starting at team today I would want one of these five backs as my running backs Christian McCaffrey Derrick Henry. Nick Chubb Joe Mixon or Josh. I Jacobs those are my top five most talented running backs in the NFL. But you are no saquon. No Zeke. No Camilla I like Saquon. SAQUON wasn't okay. Take Josh Jacobs out. Give Me Saquon. I don't want to go with Zeke. I don't like how Zeke was getting tackled in the hole in one on one too many times this year. I like Chimera uh when I need to line you up and just give you the ball twenty five times. I don't know Camaros my dog. I think he's one of the most well rounded backs but I have to carry the load a little bit more. I like my running backs to carry the load as you can tell from the five selected. I'm a little more traditional. That's the problem. If you ever try to make a list off the top of your head. Yeah you're always for a couple of guys that are just slam dunks. So I'M NOT GONNA make a list of your top twenty five top Bob quarterbacks under twenty five and didn't put mahomes in it yeah. That was a mistake. That was a little bit of Dover Stack there but you know what I knew he was going to get injured in the middle of two thousand. Nineteen and Lamar Jackson going to clearly play better. I knew it. I'm going to answer John's question. You are tripping because Nick job is the best running back in the NFL. Dear Henry is a lot like Nick Chubb. Derrick Henry does not have the shifting nece and the ability to make drastic cuts in short areas. Like Nick Nick Chubb Cannon. So I think nick A Better version of Derrick Henry Fair enough guys. Here's a list of ten quarterbacks who maybe playing for new teams next season. Tom Brady flow rivers. Jameis Winston Eli Manning Andy Dalton Marcus Mariota Ryan Fitzpatrick. I'll even throw Teddy Bridgewater and Mitchell trubisky in there. My guess is at least half. These guys are not going to be on the same team in twenty twenty and tripping or are we about to see a QB carousel like we've never seen before. Yeah Yeah we will because it's a changing of the guard in the NFL. If you look manages a lot of all time quarterbacks that we've seen who were starters for a very long time that are no longer going to be starters not just for their own teams like the they may not be started ever again? I don't think Eli Manning is ever going to Darfur fourteen again. I don't know if Philip rivers is going to start for football team again Ryan Fitzpatrick. No one's GONNA sign him to be a starter Mitch Trubisky. I don't think you'll store. I don't think Marcus Mariota start arguably I think antidote. You'll get a job. I Teddy Bridgewater will be a starter but yeah I just think a lot of the young guys when you look at the top guys where usually like fifteen quarterback mark it just tails off off right here like that fifteen guys guy that you're architect them or leave them. I think when you look now you can pretty easily pick out the top twenty quarterbacks and still feel really good about about him and then you have a whole new crop of like five to six to seven guys who were going to come in. And probably they would be one starters next year so you're going to have like literally an entire League of people. That probably aren't looking for new quarterbacks barring injury. I think there's GonNa be a big quarterback carousel and it's not the reason that you think. I was thinking about this today. As driving back from the farm for a long time quarterback salaries were very much underneath neath what their value was to the team and so because of that inefficiency because it arbitrage between their value and their value as far is how much you're getting paid and their true value. which is what they actually bring you? The team teams were quickly locking up quarterbacks as fast as they could and then those guys never saw free agency see because their salaries weren't even close to fair market value. So you didn't see a lot of exchanging of quarterbacks from team to team will now that the quarterback salaries have risen insignificantly. You're seeing teams that actually having to make a decision on is this guy worth thirty five million dollars like right now in Dallas is Dak Prescott worth thirty five to forty million dollars a year. Maybe but maybe not. And so. There's a legitimate opportunity in a chance that these guys don't come noon agreement and now you can say they're probably GONNA get franchise but there's more quarterbacks now than ever before that are going to go to free agency like those names that you just mentioned and that are going to sign probably like to your deals two years sixty million Three years with two years guaranteed for like seventy five million and and so I think because of that you're gonNA see a ton of movement now and it's actually going to make the league much more competitive and I'm looking forward to it because I would love to see the antidote and sign in Chicago and Push Mitch Trubisky for the job. I thought Ryan Tannehill going to Tennessee was great because now they got an opportunity to replace Marcus Mariota in in house. They don't have to wait till the end of the season and they're able to make the playoffs Jameis Winston. Does he come back and Tampa probably. They're not going to sign him to a long term deal though because a seven year deal would mean they're gonNA have to pay him two hundred million dollars and they're not ready to do that right now and so I think you give them a one or two year deal and it's another one of those provea type contracts but we're GONNA see a lot of shifting and I think it's going to be great for the NFL and I think that's why the NFL's going to continue to be the greatest most entertaining professional special sports league in the world last one guys according to my math a total of six teams. We'll be looking for new head coaches this off season the Redskins Panthers and Cleveland Browns have all fired their coaches. I have the Jaguars cowboys in giants and my trip in. Or is there six teams. That are going to need new head coaches next year Gay You're tripping. Because there's is only five. I don't think the cowboys are going to get rid of Jason Garrett. That's a hard. Yeah I mean at that. Think I think they're gonNA give another season an for in perpetuity. I think every year they're going to give him another season. He will be the Dallas Cowboys head coach until we all Croak. Actually I think there's going to be more than six. I'm taking the over because there's always a surprise head coaching firing that you didn't think about that. You didn't expect the comes up because there's some weird personality audie issue or something that's going on behind the scenes that hasn't been reported on and I think it's pretty safe that those six teams that you mentioned are all going to be looking for new head coaches but there's going to be at least just one surprise By the time we're talking next Sunday at this. Is it big it. What's the price I'm saying? It's a surprise because it's this'll thank you muscular. Give us your prediction of what the surprise is going to be to. The world knows nothing that surprised to awesome Tomahawk show because we know everything that is standard. Everyone understands that. So for your prediction. Joe which team is going to be the surprise firing well. I'm glad you asked Hawk because my surprise coach firing in the. NFL is going to be lines. Ends Coach Matt Patricia. Even though the lines of come out already and said he safe. I definitely think there's going to be one coaching Situation that the surprises us and either black Monday or it might even happen a little later in the week when the management has a chance to meet with the coaching staff. They meet with each other. They talk about about the direction of the team. And then there's a name that may pop up. That could be the potential coach that they don't want to miss out on that opportunity so they quickly dumped their coach and they pick somebody else. It's up and if I had to guess who that would be it's going to be in Detroit. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa go with a surprise firing. It's a bold prediction. We don't gotta be right. That's why it's surprise. I'M GONNA go with Bill O'Brien Brian and the Houston Texans if they low. That's the first round of the playoffs. They will be a surprise firing. They've known coming on Hawk. Thank you thank you. Thank you all right without further ado. You know what time it is. We know why you came. We know what you WANNA hear. We're talking about coaching changes in all things. Cleveland Brown right now in Dog Jack. Yeah all right. So the browns took an AOL to the Cincinnati bengals week seventeen gene the bengals. Yes to at the time. The one in fourteen bengals the bengals were picking first overall the mighty the mighty Cincinnati bengals. Who watched probably their future quarterback there for seven touchdowns and over four hundred yards in the first half of a ballgame this week for Lsu It doesn't matter if that what we're talking about here we're talking about the Cleveland. Browns actually picked the Bengals to win in my pick him this week. Because I didn't like the vibe of the browns it didn't feel right and we've seen this way too many times this year Joe or watching and not even not just seeing this year. We know what that feeling looks like when a team is just not jailing. The team hasn't gelled all year and the combination happened in week. Seventeen when they lost to the worst team in the NFL. What did you see in a loss? Cincinnati job that was popping out to you. You as. I'm sure you were glued to the television so everybody was looking for that moment in the game like There it is they. They can't keep Freddie around because of this And so I I was one of those guys like. I'm curious obviously understanding that the outcome of this game is going to have probably in some type of impact on the decision makers whether Freddie comes back can all the other players that are out there. There's decisions that are being made right now. And that's what we always said that even the week seventeen most of my career was meaningless actually my entire tire career week. Seventeen was meaningless because even the year we went ten and six. It didn't matter if we won or lost last game because it only mattered. If Tennessee was going to beat the colts in week seventeen so but anyways we always said that we seventeen matters because it becomes your resume for next year. Because it's the last this thing that decision maker is going to see from you before they decide. Do we bring this person backer. Not for the next year and a lot of times it can either build momentum or you can lose lose momentum moving into the off-season depending on how the end of the season goes and all those cliches and football about. You're only as good as your last game And so weak seventeenth important for everybody. Not just the coach and when I was watching the game I was concerned on a lot of levels and it made me think that they're probably definitely gonNA fire. Freddie Kitchens is because the effort just didn't seem great from the team they just look uninspired out there. I was watching a guys pull up short on tackles not selling out to try to get players to the ground that were ball carriers. I didn't see great effort by the receivers when Baker started scrambling. There was even one moment in the game. It was like a third down. It looked like there was some comebacks and curl routes in the secondary and the receivers that they ran the route basically just stopped and then Baker was like crap and he tried run around the end up getting sacked in the announcer in that game said something about like not not great effort from the browns receivers. They're they gotTA start. The scramble drillers start working a little bit harder to try to get open for their quarterback on third and long I didn't see great play calling in the game. I mean I think we all kind of said are what are we playing playing for down the stretch in the season here because the browns are out of the playoffs. So what are we playing for. Okay we want to become a team that can have a dominant front on both sides of the ball. We WanNa win the rushing title for Nick Job. He's been a great teammate. A great player. He deserves to win the rushing title. So if nothing else we don't even care if we don't win in the game we're going to give the ball twenty to thirty times to Nick Job. And he's going to get his hundred and fifty or whatever he's going to need to win the rushing title in the NFL and they didn't even do that. They give him the ball twelve times. And so the one thing that you may have been able to hang your hat on and motivate the team with is. Hey everybody look loves Nick Chub. He's been the consummate Johnson Professional. He's been a great teammate. Let's get this guy something that matters. Let's walk out of the season no matter what happens saying hey. We didn't have up to expectations. But we did something for our boy. We did something that we can be proud of. He won the NFL rushing title and they weren't even able to do that The play calling kind of disjointed the team just I looked disjointed because they'd have a great play but then they would never be able to follow it up with any consistency. I think Baker completed twelve passes even though he almost had three hundred yards passing because he through a couple of deep balls but then the rest of the game. They had a hard time completing. Any passes You needed defense was overmatched. Because miles in there and they just overall all across the board uninspired and then you lose by double digits to the worst team in the NFL that had one win going into that game Just all around around terrible. Everything was bad effort results the feeling watching the game it. Just you walked out of there going. This was horrible and and we need to make a change. Yeah I mean we. We talked about it a little bit last episode we talked about. What does Freddie gets to keep his job? And I'm like they lose to the bengals. There's nothing he can do. There's like there's nothing he can do Because of the just the situation like you said and it's tough to motivate a team with nothing to play for weeks seventeen. I understand that because guys is a really. I've been in those games where you're thinking. Yes I WANNA win I wanNA play well but probably more than either one of those. I don't WanNa get hurt. The worst thing you could possibly do is is get hurt in a week. Seventeen and people are like well. Why should you be focused on that? Because it sucks you know like you don't WanNa get hurt for no reason. I mean nobody does. It doesn't matter like I don't think they get affects anybody's play But collectively of a lot of people are thinking that way. Then yeah. That's the reason why you watch the game and it looked like the bengals. Were playing for something you know why because they realize it's probably antidote. His last game play in the air. It's probably Tyler I for its last game playing there and you have these players on the team have been in there for so many years. They were there when they were successful. And they understand. There's going to be a changing of the guard and a lot of respects and we talked about earlier but Joe Mixing Man. I mean that dude who was running like oh my gosh. He was running through Cleveland's defense and when. I'm not saying that figuratively I. There was multiple times where he would break. Four three and four tackles and a player he just literally run right through a defender and keep running like they weren't even there you know and that's why he's a top five talented back in his league Real quick sorry It's interesting your perspective. In week seventeen was like don't get hurt. Yeah because a lot of times we called it. The don't get get hurt bull but most of the teams that I played on. Actually the the Macho was even though we said it was the. Don't get hurt bowl. It was sort the opposite macho was like well. Why not go as hard as you want because you have the most catastrophic injury one like class to catastrophic like tourney? CEO torn rotator cuff torn pack like blow out Achilles. You still have the whole off-season to get healthy before September to in to go back and play more football and so we always thought why not sell we got six months to rest up and feel good and so actually for the most smart throughout my career seventeen even though we had nothing on the line we played pretty hard for the most part. Our team's pretty good job and we won not a a lot of the Games but probably more than teams would expect because I think we just had that mentality like screw. It doesn't matter season's already over we've got a long time off so might might as well go sell out. I mean maybe for you man who lived in Cleveland already so it wouldn't have mattered. That wouldn't have altered your off season plans like if I get hurt by ACL. After being Cleveland the entire offseason. That's exactly why it's the don't hurtful that's why it's everybody's got plans. They WANNA get down they WANNA go on vacation. They want to move to their other house and they don't want him. Including in January February March rehabbing an injury right and then on top of that for Joe. Thomas it doesn't matter if Joe Thomas Terraces. ACL because they'll give Joe Thomas two years to get his ACL right Franjo Hawkins and if I tear my acl. Even after a decent season it gives them out to cut me like. Oh okay good that guy out of here Beth theater the edge walk into the area whatever city. I'm playing so that was my other thing. Don't get hurt in the week. Seventeen all right so they fire Freddie Kitchens Joe. Nothing often to be in a and I know a lot of fans we WANNA make a change. Everyone's taken into different. Like what A. What do you feel when you see that? Freddie kitchens gets let go after one on season Cleveland something. We've seen multiple times and we on this show and between us have talked about even as teammates in the NFL. Saying that a one and done doesn't always make sense. Yeah I don't like the one in Don 'cause I lived it and I just felt like it was unfair because as a head coach it takes multiple audible years to be able to change culture to sort of set the foundation that you want to build on and so you're not always going to see the results in year one especially when you think back get like some of the The great coaching staffs in NFL. History think back to like ballot check parcels and Jimmy Johnson and in Dallas. Those guys a lot of those guys. They started out really poorly. Why because what they're trying to do is they're trying to change a culture by instilling discipline when they're instilling accountability? And you get a lot of pushback initially when you're trying to do that with players and so a lot of times especially the beginning part of the season can be really rough because those players players they're dealing with a kid who's not wanting to make that change a actually do the opposite like instead of taking the coaching. They're trying to prove that you're wrong. It's a little bit of a power struggle but a lot of times between the players and the coaches but by a Lotta Times amid point towards the end of the season you start seeing players fallen in line and the guys that darn phone lines start getting caught or going somewhere else. They fall by the wayside. And so you finally get that group of players that you want to be there to kind of build your program around and a lot of times. You don't have the talent to be able to do it right away. I mean there's a reason. The coach got fired the year before for the most part is because he didn't have a lot of talent and so it takes time to accumulate that talent and then and coach them up into your system and then start coaching the details and then start seeing him on the field like this is not something that can be built in one day with that all being said I think the browns were able to see enough from Freddie and his staff in one year to say that this is not a developmental league he does not currently have the skillset to be a head coach in the NFL. And it's too important with the way the roster set up right now with Baker on contract with all these other star young young players that are about to come up for free agency in two or three years. That are going to have to get paid that the time for the Browns to win is right now like they are in that two to three year window NDO where they need to make hay because those guys are going to get paid and a lot of them are going to have to leave and are going to need to be replaced with younger players and so this is not a learn on the job job head coaching position and because of the lack of discipline the lack of accountability that showed up with penalties and outbursts on the field field and pre-snap penalties unnecessary roughness penalties. The different things that the players were saying in the media throughout the season that become come distractions the way Baker through the training staff under the bus the way that towards the end of the season you the players not really even lobbying or defending mm-hmm for Freddie when they ask about him in the media I think The media was asking Baker. Who Out of anybody is the one reason that Freddy got the? The job is because of his relationship with Baker and Baker even said like Oh whatever happens happens now is that indicative of Baker is that indicative of what Freddie is. That's my question because it gets you the reason why it's not a good idea to fire frady's because now you have a quarterback you say is if you trigger franchise and showed promise obviously in his rookie season and now he is is working on his third head coach third at the coordinator in three years. That you still you want to get it right because what you saw. When Freddie took over Baker got worse and I think it gets just because it's bakers mentality? Baker performs the best when he's got the chip on his shoulder. He feels like everybody's against him he feels like he's got no allies and that's why I think. Last year he played so well right why because he hated you which we saw how he acted when they went and played in Cincinnati. You hated Greg Williams. uh-huh who was the head coach and he couldn't wait. They see Greg Williams get fired but job go ahead. It was that like push pull all that. I feel like got the best out of Baker and because Freddie was there in the quarterback room and then became the offense coordinator he felt like. Hey you're my only ally you're the guy need to work with and there was a bond that was built that got the most out of Baker but it wasn't because of his bond with Freddie it was because how much he despised hugh and Greg for the their approach which was no nonsense. It was tough it was. We're going to be hard on you. We're going to not make it easy on anybody. And that's what caused Baker to develop in have in my opinion agreed season that he had whereas you get all. Those guys is out of the building that we're maybe hard on Acre and then now the one guy who is maybe your biggest ally who's your best buddy is now in the head coaching position. You Kinda WanNa feel like oh I can just relax a little bit right now. I got everything I want. I can see me and I got everything figured out when we all know that when we were twenty three twenty only four years old and the NFL. We thought we all had figured out a lot to learn still and it was helpful to have somebody in there just like I talked about at the beginning of the show with me and Jeannie like now that I look back on on my time with Eric Mangini. I realized that he made me a much smarter. Football player much tougher person in general because he put through Hell and when you're twenty four twenty five five years old. You don't always have that perspective but now that I'm thirty five. I can look back on that and say that was a valuable. Part of my growth and development has a football player. I'd already made pro bowls before. Manzini came there but he took me to the next level because I hated him so much he put me through so much misery. He made it so hard on me that every day I demanded so much out of myself because I feared the public humiliation. I was going to get from the coaching staff out of every little thing that I did and so I made sure every three I was dotted and every t crossed. And I just don't feel like Freddie built that environment and especially you saw it with Baker who is the most valuable part of that franchise the most valuable piece of this puzzle. And that's why they felt. You gotta get rid of Freddie because we need to bring in somebody there. That's going to be really hard on Baker and it's going to get the most out of them. I mean how are you. Keep a guy who's biggest ally says. Yeah what happens happens right like like the guy who got you the job. The guy that you know you felt best about The best about you. What happened to that? That would be my argument to the people that say. Now we're moving on to three head coaches three of coordinators and three years. You know well. Hugh was gone. Lars Larson part because Baker didn't rockwood right. Got Him out of there. Losing thirty one hundred thirty one might have helped but what I'm saying is Baker. Stay with you right so they had to make that change. He didn't WanNa stay with Greg. So although it wasn't an official coaching change. That's why Greg Williams it wasn't an option and now Freddie if he says whatever happens happens this guy well guess what he's going to be gone to It's funny that you talked about like the The pushback because I do think Baker need not just bake. I think a lot of players need it. You know when I was a player. I don't want to say I was. I was never scared of an adversarial coach. I don't care air about hard work. That doesn't scare me at all like there's nothing you could ever throw it me where I was GonNa say it was too much and to dial back and I didn't mind doing it. I was all for the work if if it made sense you know. There's an old Paul Brown quote. He says winning makes believers of us all right. If you're just being mean of like hard asked to be a hard ass it. It doesn't actually yield results. That doesn't make you a good coach like that. Those guys I didn't like right like if you come in and you actually know what you're doing and you understand how to build an organization and how to build a culture and not. Just give me a bunch of Roy regurgitated. This is what I'm supposed to do. You guys didn't do this. That's not going to work in those guys. It always weeds itself about. You can't take the easy road out with any of this though. You need a coach that understands how to build an organization a winning organization a coach who has the experience experience that has done it time in and time out the guy who who knows how to handle talent right. Because that was Freddie's biggest indictment. We said that when he got hired we said he was in a catch twenty two because we said if they won they would say it was because of his talent and if he lost that they lost they would say they're. They're not doing well. Because it's Freddy's fault and that came to fruition. That was what we said day one when they hired him that it was almost. It's almost like the Mike Tomlin situation when he takes. It's over in Pittsburgh right. Yeah we're loaded on offense and defense. They had halted a quarterback. They had a hall of Fame Defensive Coordinator so basically Mike Tomlin's just come in and sit in the seat in going all right. This is pretty cool size me up for my ring and then tell me when to show up for the ceremony. Yeah and so. He never got any credit as head coach and granted. We don't even know if he was a a good head coach early on but he was able to grow into that position and now losing big Ben Losing all those weapons on offense and seeing what type of Disaster Antonio Brown has been once he leaves there. You realize wow Mike Tomlin's been doing a very good job unless we he must be a really good head coach because he got that team full of A good defense offense but not a lot of talent on offense to eight and they had a pretty successful season he was able to hold all those together and perform very. I'm very well and win super bowls and so he gets a lot of credit whereas I think Freddie was kind of in a similar situation when he took over like you mentioned if you don't I do well. It's your fault if you do do well. It's somebody else's credit John Dorsey for building the roster. It's the roster so talented and to be to be very clear man I I never celebrate coach Kaz fire. It sucks right but I also don't cry tears. I'M GONNA be honest with you because a lot of times especially working in an a and NFL media in covering sports for some of the big places and you always see where it's like. Yeah they have a family and yes they do. That is very true. I'm not saying that's not a real thing. It is as sad to lose your job. Ian Report reported that he talked to Freddie Kitchens and Freddie Kitchen. It was emotional because he thought he had the support of the organization. The difference is as a player. You know you never have supported the organization right. You know when you get cut you also have a family so again. I don't. I never celebrate when someone someone loses their job. That's not what this very cut and dry. It's football it's a results driven business as a player players get cut all the time that actually did give results right and they pick up they move across the country with their four or five kids or they void the back end of their contracts. And you know and it's just business as usual so so that's just how I approach coaching as well like. I don't like when a coach gets fired but I don't think he deserves it and I don't like coaches fired. I think he did and you know this is the price of doing. Business is just the business of lobotomy. Here's what I'm going to say about that. And when when Freddie was talking to supposedly rapport may or may not know if that happened but and reported that he talked to him and Freddie was very emotional about it thinking that he had the support of the administration or the the front office. And this this just completely encapsulates. Everything that Freddie Kitchens was as a head coach and he did not even know what he didn't know as the head coach. His lack of experience in that role has lack of experience in the coordinator role which is much closer to the CEO type role that you are the head coach. Then when and you were quarterbacks or running backs coach which is kind of the guy that's basically the closest to the players because you spend a lot of times with your players in the meeting room and then other than that you're just kind of like the low man man on the totem pole who sits on the head coach and the stuff that the coordinator is doing in the front office. You're just like a player. You go and bitch about everybody. That's above you just the same way when you have no no concept and you've been thinking about Oh when I'm the head coach. I'm going to do this differently. You're I'M GONNA I'm GonNa take things from this head coached. I've worked for that head coach or you don't have any of those experiences that because you haven't even been thinking about being a head coach and so for Freddie to think that because the front office a couple of weeks ago or this week maybe showed him a public showing like yeah. We'll probably bring you back and believe it. That just shows that you're inexperienced because as you know you and I have been through a lot of these situations. Typically the organization is going to show you support right up until the second that they fire you because they want to make sure that you have everything in your power to succeed and that you never can say well. They didn't give me a fair chance because they were saying that. I was swinging in the wind three weeks before they actually fired me. And so the I lost respect and the power that I had in the position to be able to control and lead this team because you guys kind of cut my nuts off by saying well. We don't know we're gonNA bring you back and so of course they're gonNA show you support so you shouldn't be surprised like any other coach that's been around this business for a while would be like. Yeah I kind of knew that was coming like I saw the in writing on the wall. I maybe they told me that I was still going to be there but I knew that I shouldn't believe everything that they're telling me because that's just what they do when the head coach is in this situation relation. That's it I mean here's a fact of life for everybody listening. This is football. This is life in general. This is anywhere. Two thousand in one thousand nine th about to be twenty twenty and in mere hours. Okay when you're an adult and you have a job you're doing one of two things you're either actively actively getting a new job or you're losing the one you have. There is no in between so and I say that in the coaching perspective. If that you're either building resume where other teams can't wait to have you or your on the way out the door and the one you have so if you can look at what you're doing as a head coach and you say man I can't imagine no team would want me right now within. Guess what you were doing you in the process of losing your job. There is no in between there. Isn't Jessica just need to figure this out right now you're either gaining credibility or you're losing it and you're right. Freddy Kitchens had no idea and there's awareness was a problem album and multiple times in the season. Where turned the tide for me personally where I was like okay? This guy don't get it is when he wore the Pittsburgh started t shirt. I thought that was the dumbest thing ever. It didn't make sense to me. I don't know why he would do it and even worse when he doubled down on two or three times. It wasn't even when he wore the shirt bad decision. Where the shirt we make bad? Yeah decisions we all do. I get it I understand. He had multiple opportunity to say. That was a bad decision and the last thing he said on it which was the third time he was was asked about it in a press conference setting he said if I could do it all over again I would bow that very moment. I said okay. Man doesn't understand what's going on. He doesn't get. It reminds me of member before you had your first baby. You're thinking like Oh this is GonNa be easy right okay. We bring the baby home. The baby is GonNa Sleep. Mommy's GONNA go up and feed it then mom's GonNa put it down for like two three hours. We'll get a good night's sleep. Mommy wake up Feta for a half hour. Put it down during during the day. It's going to be happy we're going to feed it. We're GONNA change diaper. We're going to go on life like it's normal everyday. Life hasn't changed one bit right then as soon as you bring the baby home almonds like holy crap. I didn't even realize how hard this is going to be higher. I was told how hard this was going to be. But in two years experience it you have no constantly. You don't even know what you don't know who you're there. You can't even imagine how much this is going to change your life. And that's exactly like with Freddie. He didn't even know did wearing the t shirt was going to be. A bad look can then realize when asleep all during the day and that was nighttime time it'd be almond little human shit up back all the way to its hair lie. And there's a line of fecal matter from his hair lines to the bottom of his tank like it just. He didn't know he didn't know that the baby was going to project out as soon as you open the diaper over everything. And if you don't know that the baby is GonNa Projectile Piss as soon as that little peter gets into the cold air. How are you going to be able to tell your players players that you shouldn't do this because this is going to happen right because you don't even know and they're all getting time because we're all you know what's going to happen here? Job is to be a great leader and be able to see the ICEBERGS that are coming up ahead of the titanic and be able to say hey baker. Maybe you shouldn't throw the medical medical staff under the bus. Because that's GONNA make everybody look bad so whatever you do don't talk about another player's injuries and certainly don't be thrown our own staff under the bus. Handle those things in house. Let's not go off on reporters in the middle of the season. That's just bad. Look for us. Let's make sure we're keeping this all about us. Let's keep the focus on us. Let's not focus on other things like if you can't be that guiding hand that person that installs instills wisdom in your team on a daily basis. And he says I've been there before I know how this and so don't do this. This is why like how can you expect them to be the leader. That takes you where you WANNA go. Yeah that's profound stuff man profound. It's why the Bella checks they do your job. Don't do everyone else's job simple as that like. Let's do our jobs. What is our job ready to make sure everyone does their job? That should be the only thing we talk about pretty sad. Like it's not your job to comment on so and so's contract let it ride not not our jobs. There is a quick story my second year in the NFL we fired Romeo Cornell and he'd already one six super bowls because he coach with parcels and ballot check and so he he had a million super bowls he just got extension the year before and so he still had like three years he was going to be getting paid. You know three or four million dollars a year to go what we call Mailbox money which It shows up twice a week twice a month. You just go to the mailbox collector check. It's not too bad. So I think Freddie after he gets over the shock and the awe on the disappointment of the season and being fired by the time he wakes up next week he's going to be like holy crap. If I don't WANNA do anything for three years I'm still getting paid three or four million Lian dollars on all I gotTa do is make sure that my addresses current. That's it got update job with the Cleveland Browns. So after we fired Romeo we were all in there and he address the team and like there was guys that were upset especially guys that had been with them a long time. I'm a young player. I'd never been through losing season. That was my first losing season in my life because I use your in the NFL. We were ten and six second year. We were foreign twelve and so I was a little shook up and then they fire the coach and they fired the GM. And I was like shook up but I'll never forget. Romeo stood up in front of US goes. Don't feel sorry for me guys. And he started laughing he goes. I got three years of contract. And they got every single cent so for those of you that they have a heart like me. Unlike Hawk a savage beast who have a heart and feel bad for Freddie and his family. Don't feel that bad because he still going to get paid a lot of money and he'll find his way into the NFL probably next year after That's the way it works in the coaching world. And that's what you except when you take the job as Edco realize that. Hey It's a win loss business. I get measured by results not by perception. Not by how we think we were doing. But you know what I'm willing to get fired or get hired every two years. We're going to move around the country. We just the life that I've chosen. This is the life all right so now we're looking forward right. We're looking at head coaching candidates Brown on the market there on the clock once again to choose a head coach Joe gave me. Let's just talk some names man names out there we've been we've had is out there scouting So give me some names aims. You're thinking and and tell me why or why they wouldn't be a good fit So the first guy. I'm going to say that I think would be a good fit. Is Mike McCarthy. He's a name. That's been very popularly associated with this job. He was a guy that worked with John. Dorsey Green Bay. He's a guy. That's a proven winner. He you want a super bowl in green bay. He's offensive mind. He worked with Aaron Rodgers very well for a Lotta years until the end they kind of had a little bit of a falling out He's a guy guy that's going to be a little stern and growth and I think That's probably who they're going to be looking for but more than anything somebody I think with some experience so that they don't have to go through all a growing and learning pains that they did with Freddie because like we mentioned there in a win matt now mode because of how the roster's put together The next name I'm going to bring up is Kevin Stefanski offense. According for the Minnesota Vikings is a guy that almost got the job I think last year he runs the Kyle Shanahan scheme drink and so strictly because he runs the scheme which I think is the best of current offensive scheme in the NFL for a generic quarterback outside of if you have Lamar Jackson obviously run the Lamar Jackson run. I quarterback school of zone read and RPO's but if you have any other random white quarterback order back in the NFL on the Shannahan Jimmy Garoppolo wide zone play action scheme right okay. And so I think Baker fits pretty well in that scheme. Because he's a mobile quarterback he moves pretty well and it's still also incorporates. Some of those easy zone read. RPO type type things that we we tried to do with Johnny when they put Johnny in there and right now I think it's pretty well known that Baker is very comfortable with the style of play that he did when he was in college. Where it's the zone read the RPO? It's like pretty easy okay. Read the safety on this. Okay read the Middle Linebacker. Okay read read this one. If it's a split safety look you're going to read this one inside out pretty simple stuff but you can build into somewhere that graduate level like deeper thinking thinking offensive stuff with Stansky. But here's the name that I don't know if anybody mentioned but to me I actually. I think it would be the perfect choice for where the browns rounds are and what they need from a head. Coaching standpoint can. I think I'M GONNA go ahead and to my own horn here for just one second I. There's a little guy Nimat Matt Leflore. WHO's the head coach of the Green Bay? Packers right gangade him Joe. He's doing pretty well. We can't get him. I appreciate suggestion but over it I I was the first one full fourteen months ago. I think okay right after. They fired Mike McCarthy which was like October November last year and green. I bet they fired from what I remember early Ireland season and like the day. He got fired. I go the guy that they need to hire. Is Matt Leflore for who was the current offensive coordinator at the time of the Tennessee. Titans nobody in the country knew who everybody was talking talking about. All these other names. I said no matter floor. First of all he would be a fantastic choice because he runs a system. That would be perfect for Aaron Rodgers. But I think more than that when you're hiring hiring a head coach you need to look personality wise. And how are they GONNA fit with the core group of players that you have on your team and are they going to be the type of person that they need like like. I'm a tall guy. I was looking for a tall. I get it right talk. You were a tall guy and you were looking for a medium high woman. Yeah you you were looking to get married. I shooed. Maybe I'm a fifteen hock- you're not a fifteen year. Maybe a fourteen and a half extra wide but still fourteen and a half so my point is not everybody wears the same size shoe. So you've got to figure out how big your feet are of the core players on your team. And what's shoe. That's going to fit them. It's not a one-size-fits-all. There's the reason that coaches like ganders. Go aeromar knocking. But there's a reason that coaches don't work at every situation they go to and yeah some of it is. They didn't have the talent out there and they had the town here but a lot of its fit and for the browns right now they have a young group of talented players who have a lot of personality. Okay so like the setup for this suggest that so the coach that they need is an offensive minded coach develop Baker. He's going to say Baker is going to CRISCI field but he's not going to love as his buddy he's not going to be the guy that just sits there suggesting. Baker himself coached the team. It's they're just kisses his but he's going to push him at at the beginning. You're probably going to hear Baker. Say a lot of things that he doesn't like about this guy he's not going to be very glowing in his report because he's going to be really pushing him he's going to be hard on him and a lot of times. There's going to be a lot of pushback especially with Baker's personality which is sort of. I know everything and I don't need anybody else's help nope this week. Baker was asked about if he's going to use any quarterback Greiner. The trainers in the offseason. Like Tom Brady. Drew brees Aaron Rodgers. Basically basically every quarterback in the NFL uses this guy. Tom House in his academy out on the West Coast and originally was unconventional little stuff that he was using for. NFL quarterbacks because he's bringing a lot of baseball stuff into it but as all these great quarterbacks started realising how beneficial it was Everybody started using. It now became commonly accepted but Baker has already said Multiple Times that he's not interested in that he doesn't need a quarterback Guru to put him in the ocean and have them throw. Footballs balls underwater. Whatever I'm not exactly what the reference was? But he's made it very clear that he doesn't need anybody to teach them how to run a three step drop and he doesn't need anybody to help them work on. It worked because he can watch the film himself and make the corrections that are necessary And so the guy that I'm going to mention is a guy that's going to be hard on him and he probably wouldn't like at the beginning but he's young. He's a very very smart offense of mine but he's very is very tough and discipline is important. Accountability is important. He's worked for Nick Sabin. He's for Bill Ballot Check Multiple Times on both sides of the ball. He's been an offensive coordinator at multiple teams in the NFL. And he's also worked for multiple different. The head coaches which I think when you're hiring a head coach. He doesn't always have to have head coaching experience. But I think the fact that he's worked for multiple head coaches is really important because because when you're a young coach or an offense coordinator defensive coordinator and you aspire to be a head coach. You're always thinking when you're working for other head coaches are. What are the things that he does that I liked that I wanNA take from them? What are the things that he does that? I don't really like and I want to make sure I avoid as head coach. And so you're kind of meandering entering your way through this maze of okay. This is what I WANNA do what I want to be when I become a head coach and so the Buffalo Bills Offensive Coordinator is a guy got him. Brian Day Ball. Who was the offensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns in two thousand nine and two thousand ten? We didn't have a lot of success. You probably don't know his name. But he's done a good job working with Josh Allen. He's coach Sean McDermott. Like I mentioned he's coach for Nick. Sabin he's coach for Bill Belichick Multiple Times. He's got a very very vast football knowledge. He's a very bright bright coach. But he's very tough and I think he would just be absolutely the perfect coach for who the Cleveland Browns are right. Now he'd be able to manage all those personalities. Okay able to get the most out of Baker. You'd be able to turn Baker into a pro bowl level quarterback who acts like a the face of the franchise that I think we all Wanna see Baker packed in a mature and professional manner. I think this is the guy for the job Brian Day boy. I liked that. I liked that one. McCarthy will be a tough one for me. I want McCarthy I like McCarthy I want a lot of people. I didn't really matter to me. I don't have a dog in the you said McCarthy it'd be a tough one for me but I won't let her son just all right so so I I like McCarthy. I want to preface it. With saying that I don't know if McCarthy endorsed see woodwork even worked together before right but now they're in a situation and where there has to be a big dog which I think played into the reason why Dorsey what it Freddie because he was clearly the big dog in that equation. Right I mean we know. Oh John. Dorsey has a strong personality. We know Mike McCarthy also has a strong personality so it comes down to who will be the big dog and one thing Jimmy has them does not like it is when you're off. Oh and your general manager and your head. Coach are not on the same page because what happens is when things don't go right. There's there's finger pointing right and it's gotta be your otherwise it's going to be my ass. I don't know I'm not saying it's going to be the case. But I know McCarthy is not going to go into a situation where he he does not have control of the roster because he'll have the ability for I think he'll have enough opportunities in the NFL where they will give him that because he's earned that he's a super super bowl winning head coach. He's going to go in and say I want the roster because there's other coaches who get the roster who don't have nearly the resume or success that he's had. That's my thing on McCarthy. Next US was fancy so I said yes I said Kevin Stansky was the other one likes to fan. I don't really know him personally. I don't know but I think he's done a good job in Minnesota and I think he has offense of background. I know for Baker skill sets in this team skill set. I mean you know look I think. Baker is very talented. I think Baker has a lot of development still go regardless of what Baker thinks and some of that is just gonNa come with experience but a lot of that is going to be a coach who understands what Baker skill set is and puts puts them in the position to maximize value right similar. What's the fancy? Did for Kirk cousins issues with the time were kirk cousins was legitimate. MVP candidate in in that conversation and there was also a time before Stefanski got going. Becker cousins they say went and robbed Minnesota Blind of eighty four million dollars. I guaranteed all right a couple of names that you that you all Robert Salah Defense Coordinator Forty niners quick three minute version of Yes or no. I'll okay I'll keep it Forty five seconds. So don't know a lot about him. I know that he's kind of High Energy Pete Carroll type motivator and I think that can work in the CEO type role as head coach because then you hire an offensive coordinator United Defensive Coordinator. You kind of let them do their thing. I'm not against that but if I WANNA see a guy who's more the CEO type role. I would like to see a guy who's been around a lot longer. Okay so think about like John Harbaugh classically. CEO Offensive Offensive Excuse me head coach Baltimore and he'd been around a long time in the NFL as a special teams coach and kind of all over the place before he got that job so he had a lot of experience prince to fall back on and being in that CEO. Role is really good if you can delegate and you know a lot of people in the NFL and you've been alarm longtime Robert Sala hasn't into my knowledge been around all that long. It hasn't had a ton of different experience. And so there's a lot more unknown in my opinion if you're going to hire him to be that. Co established guy. Do you have any if he's going to be. CEO If he's going to be like the offensive guru so like they hired. Kyle Shanahan to go to San Francisco. He had never been head coach coach. He had been around but they knew he was gonna run the offense and so they were okay with maybe having him delegate some of those co roles to maybe somebody else on the staff because you can be more focused on. I'm running the offense on developing the quarterback. Do you have any qualms about a defensive minded head coach because I was like. Don't coordinator do you think. Better off with an art. Tako CH- no no. I don't have any qualms with the defensive minded head coach but the other reason I want a guy that's maybe more of an old head if he's a defensive minded head coach goes to CEO is because as the number one most important thing that head coach does is higher his assistant coaches because those are the guys that are going to be working with the code the players on a daily basis. They're going to be the ones that largely coming up with offense and defensive game plan and so if you've been around a long time you've seen a lot of guys and you've worked with a lot of guys that you can poll from on a roster to make your staff if you're a young head coach and we saw this with Mike Patton a little bit. He hadn't had a lot of experience in the NFL. He worked. Mostly see for Rex Ryan and so when he hired his staff he got how Shanahan Yup but like outside of that. He didn't have a lot of guys that he really knew to put a staff staff together. And so you're it's not the you can't hire a good staff but there's a lot more unknowns that you have when you're putting that staff together because you don't know the guys you're interviewing them you're taking other people's word that they're good at what they do and they work with the players but you don't have that first hand experience that you can say I know this guy I because I've worked with him and he's great and my plan is a great divas a quarter and I thought it was good head coach especially I think he hit right with cowhand. I think we all agree on that drink. But a lot of the other coaches and ab I think is what did a man and that's a good segue to the next thing I'm GonNa give you Greg Roman who was the offense coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens and obviously as turn Lamar Jackson and from QUOTE UNQUOTE WHY RECEIVER RUNNING BACK PROJECT TO NFL. MVP quarterback and Great Roman was a guy who was begging and to come to the Cleveland. Browns in two Thousand Fifteen Mike Pence interviewed. Mike Patton ended up hiring John de Filippo. Instead ingrown walked so now Greg woman will be a hot name when the head coaching circuit. But what he's done in the time since then. What are your thoughts about him anything? Give me thirty seconds on Gregg. You give a shit or not. The thirty seconds on Gregg Allman is he may be great head coach. He may not but his coaching experience in the NFL is a little bit more limited. And what we I know about Greg Roman is he worked really well with Colin Kaepernick and he did a great job with Lamar Jackson why he is being promoted to being potentially head coaches because of his offensive XS and os mind with a quarterback that is more of a run. I dual threat quarterback which those things don't always translate translate great to being a head coach because what what you have to have from a characteristic standpoint to be a great head coach is you need to be a great leader you need to have discipline unaccountability you need to be a CEO and you need to be able to delegate and you need to be able to deal with the management GM and owner and you need to be the face of the franchise charged communicates with Your Fan Base. So these are all roles that have nothing to do with how good you are XS and Os wise. And so we know Greg Roman is great XS and Os when it comes to dealing with the dual threat running quarterback but outside of that. We don't really know anything about him. Because he hasn't had to be the face of the franchise he hasn't had to be in charge urge of a whole coaching staff. He hasn't had to have been the face of the franchise he hasn't had to deal with the owner up and GM and the fan base and the media. And you haven't had to do all those things that make a great head coach and so there's another thing there's a lot of unknowns with him so I'd rather pick somebody with fewer unknown and since this is such an important higher because we talked about this a two four year window. The browns have to win a super bowl. I next one Josh mcdaniels. Let me start off with jobs meetings. We go ahead. You've been running for a while. Josh Josh mcdaniels I think is a great coach. I think he is a great author mile. A lot of things you're talking about. I think he has obviously head coaching experience. He's been in that situation but the one thing that rubs me the wrong way about Josh mcdaniels who was my office coordinator for about twenty eight days was the colts now. How many back story on the Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts situation? We accepted the job and then a couple of days later decided. He didn't want the job and they had to go back. And they landed with Frank Reich which I think was the great decision in higher for for them and it worked out but I without understanding the backstory of that. I don't want the browns to overextend themselves thinking they're going to be the one to pry him away from New England Patriots and and also. I don't know if that's the kind of guy that you went in then again. That's what me out. Without knowing any of the backstory of why he backed out of that situation. It's still just. This is how it works works. I think his agent ended up firing like leaving him quitting after that. Because it was such a A black eye on his resume. This is not how business works right. So that's my only reservation Josh. mcdaniels what are your thoughts. Well characters obviously a big question mark with Josh because of what you mentioned because when you accept the job as a head coach now you hire era staff and now you're asking all those guys leave the jobs that they have to pick their families up and move to you because they trust you and what you're trying to build their so they go there and then now you say oh I had a change of heart. You can't do that. You have to be a man of your word you got to go and take that job once you say you're going to do it and you have to follow through and so when and you don't have those things that's a huge question mark for me. Not that he's going to leave the browns at the altar again but if he's willing to do that to all these people that are going to oil assistance and and loyal lieutenants to him. What does that say about the other decisions that he's GonNa have to make? is He willing to throw people under the bus. In other circumstances and situations is he going to be the great at leading a group of coaches which I said was the number one thing that head coach asked. Do you have to manage and Delegate Your coaching staff and you have to hire them of course and and players like to be able to do that to two layers of people takes an enormous amount of accountability an enormous amount of leadership and commitment to principles. And there's a big question mark because of what he did in Indianapolis but even more so than that. My big concern with Josh mcdaniels is not that. He's not a smart guy he seems like he's a very very bright offense of mine. He's been with Belgium forever. But that's the problem. His only experience coaching outside of okay. He started as a Grad Assistant at Michigan State in ninety nine for a year. Then he's been with the Patriots the entire time except for his stint for two years in Denver as the head coach which started out pretty good but then everybody nobody turned on him because he was just trying to be the reincarnation of Bella check and then he had like a hot second as an offense accordance. It's Lewis and then he's been back in New England so it doesn't have these experiences to pull off of outside of working for Bella check in every bell check disciple that we've seen for the most part has not had success because they just try to be belichick rather than in your own person and pulling experiences from working with ballot check and working with Sabin and working for Andy Reid and working for all these other coaches coaches and then becoming your own version your own version of the best version of yourself with the experience of working for those guys you just try to be a clone of the only person that you've ever seen worked for and that doesn't work you have to be your own person and so my biggest concern with Josh mcdaniels is that he's hardly ever in his entire career except for basically three years. Here's in the NFL or two and a half maybe not even two years in the NFL hasn't worked for anybody else. Because I mean he was the head coach. He wasn't working for anybody else. He's working for himself. He was actually my. OC in two places. So I was with the Saint. Louis Rams for two days and I was with the New England patriots for like two weeks and he was my coordinator he every time I've seen the guy quit so Yeah all right there. But Mino- The the point is the only time he's ever worked for anybody besides spellcheck was in Saint Louis when he was offense coordinator for for a very short amount of time and then he got fired. Yeah I mean but some of these guys have only worked in under a one coach or in certain places. I we if we had a researcher after he would be able to tell us who's the most successful head coach who only for the most part worked for one head coach throughout his career. Before he got that job. I would say it's probably a small list. Probably Chick bribe work for parcels and then himself though which I'm making that up but are you do the research I'm Gonna I'm GonNa give you another name since we're on. The assistant coach Wave Eric Enemy Off the coordinator Kan city cheese so I did a little bit of research because I know be enemy is one of the popular names. And so I know a bunch of guys in the chiefs. Actually four out of the five starting Lineman for the chiefs on offense previous to this is last couple of weeks. They got some injuries That they came back healthy were former Cleveland. Browns players that I played with Cam Irving was left. Tackle Korea Andrew. Wylie was the starting left guard Schwarzie Mitchell Schwartz was the right tackle and then the center egner was Austin Rider. So far out of those five guys in Cleveland but anyways so I was asking about guy these the shower facing the wrong direction while random tidbit. I love But anyways I asked him about get the conversation going ask ask him about the enemy and they were like Super Smart Guy He's much more of a raw type guy which me as like an old head. I probably wouldn't love it but being that the team in Cleveland has a bunch of young players around college type guy might actually be pretty good because they used to that from college and they're going to respond to that early on in your career whereas later on in your career you have a wife and a family and you're like you can't tell me anything that's going to be more motivating than going home to my three year old. I'm like I need to be able to buy diapers next week. So I don't WanNa get fired and shame on my entire family and really elliot you like. This is so much more important than any raw speech and so I'm kind of here here nor there and there are but for young team could be good like the enemy and even the reasons you talked about being a Rah Rah guy. I think they need a guy in there that sometimes you have someone in there that can kick your ass right like you won't be a tough guy we get up. We want But we're going to get the work done and if you WANNA take it to a level you know yelling at the side line and you know. Let's get behind closed closed doors and I want you lock you in office once. You actually do that because I don't know if anybody remembers Eric Enemy as a player but that dude was a wild crazy crazy sob. So I actually like enemy all right now. I'M GONNA go to former head coaches in the NFL. Got A couple more. I got a bunch of names is actually a segment we didn't produce and I'm just rattling them off. Now I got Ron Rivera which is going to be a hot name for a lot of people in Cleveland for a lot of reasons. He's on the market. He's probably going to get a lot of opportunities successful head coach. Jim Caldwell as well give me your thoughts. Neither one of those guys. So Jim Jim Caldwell. I like him as a coach but I think he would do do better with a veteran laden roster. Okay Yeah I I look at him as he's a guy that he's a very smart offense of mine. He's good at developing quarterbacks but as far as being a CEO of an entire roster of young players where you need to develop them and keep your thumb on those guys every single. Well Day okay. I don't know so there's a big unknown. They're look I would say numbers why you continue. Yeah I would say Ron Rivera. Here's the one name that's going to be really popular either. But I don't think he's a good fit in Cleveland. He's another guy to me. That would do really well in a veteran organization with a bunch of old heads because he's a very steady Eddie guy. He's not like super tough and disciplined minded like have you ever seen. He's video of Ron Rivera at halftime our employees to go look Robert Locker look it up because I think it would change because he's very mild mannered. He's soft spoken respectful when his press conferences. When you watch ah I've seen videos of him at halftime talking to his team you could tell he's a former? NFL football player. Because that's what it seems like. He talks them in that way. You know what I mean like. You'll get your head out of your ass you're getting pushed around. Stop getting pushed around. Like I guess he gets after it like. It's a prize me when I seen the video because I had the same thought about him in my mind. So part of that is because I was asking Steve Smith about him because Steve worked for him. And Steve Kinda had the same. Take as many as I you know. He's really good for a veteran roster stor button. There's with young guys like I go back to young guys leeches. They just need somebody. Who have their thumb on all the time because they're squirrelly right they're immature and they're full of the know it alls and they need a a little bit tougher coach I think? And he's like Ron. Ron is good with that stuff but Not always is consistent as you would want the so. Tell me this is that a deficiency in the roster if you have that kind of roster where you have nothing but young guys who are uncontrollable is that a roster. You can actually whether or not on you got to get the right person. It's like a dog that's gonNA listen is an antibody matter. How sweet and soft you talk to them they're gonNA listen to you versus a dog? That's a rough dog or if I'm sure you've done a lot of breaking of of horses out in the ranch horse that doesn't WanNA listen to anybody. You gotta be harder on them in order to get them to listen before you can. You harness them and everything. I've never ridden the horse in my life. But that's what I've heard and so you just got to find the right trainer for this. It's easy to. Oh yeah everybody would want a roster full of twenty eight to thirty two year olds that are all pro bowlers but that's just not the reality of the NFL you're GonNa have some rosters. That older some racers that are younger. And you just need to kind of find the right staff that would fit that roster that you have okay. So I'm I'm I'm going to rewind back to Jim Cardwell. Really Quick Jim Caldwell had it has been a head coach in the NFL for seven seasons in the NFL. Joe Can you guess how many were losing seasons probably one. That was the one that he got fired. An indie two two losing seasons. He started off in Andy. Oh nine and ten with paid manning. They went fourteen to ten and six pay many get hurt. They went to and fourteen. which set him up for Andrew Luck? They fired him and he got fired. Brought the new coaching he got hired in Detroit in twenty fourteen three years later so it took them three years to to get back to a head coaching job his first year. Detroit in two thousand fourteen. They went eleven and five Went to the playoff loss to the cowboys. The next year they went seven and nine which was his second losing losing season right. And it's one of those close losing seasons. That's the best season you and I've ever had Together and in two thousand sixteen with nine and seven twenty seventeen. He went nine nine and seven and he got fired and now Patricia is there. Patricia I think has nine wins total in two seasons in Detroit and they fired him after going three or four seasons as winning winning teams so he has a win percentage of like fifty five percent which is a pretty good winning percentage So I mean I I just think I will deserves an opportunity. Because every organization he's been with these add more losing seasons. I mean more Winning seasons than losing season. He's five to losing. I've always said that I thought Jim called. We've got the raw deal ever because paid man and gets hurt and you get fired because Spain got hurt. Okay thanks a lot. That's that's my fault that the entire organizations built around one player and then he ended up getting injured and then in Detroit he was nothing but successful zestful and they got rid of him organization. That had had nothing but shit forever for two decades earlier in the nineties in the NFC NFC north three out of four years to Aaron Rodgers. Who was one of the best twenty quarterback in NFL history? Yeah agreement I think he did had a great job in Detroit. I think the two things that were against them one his age. He's an older coach because he has been around forever. And for the most part. Everybody's looking for the young and sexy coach. There's a few that hire older coaches. But for the most part they want the young ones and then the second one is he is a little bit like Ron Rivera in the media. He's very measured. He's not like a yeller and a screamer and so the perception is that Oh You're not a tough guy. And you don't really know what you're talking about. Because your your success came in indy. When Tony Dungy retired and you took over roster that was already loaded that was a super bowl talent roster? I will say as a college coach. He sucked at twenty three sixty three. I wake forest so could be some to the young Guy Which leads to my next group of guys? I'm going to give them all in one and not go one by because we can't be on this podcast all night. Even though people are clamoring to see what the coaching carousel. Looks like. I'm GonNa live with the college guys. Four names that I have written down have urban. Meyer Fire Have Matt Campbell. I Have Lincoln Riley and I have met rule. Those are the four college names names that I have a list. Any of those stick out to you. I don't love the college coach going to the NFL because it it is a very different game. And what makes you successful as a college. Coach is not necessarily. What makes you successful as an NFL coach? Typically College coaches are very successful because they're excellent recruiters So they have excellent talent and then once the talent is they're they're excellent at motivating them with raw raw like that's why I most of the debut Sweeney Pete Carroll like a lot of those names that have had tons of success in college because you got a bunch of eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one on your olds that our ad that are just thinking about where they can go and get a Free Cup of beer that night and to be able to keep them focused for twelve or thirteen games every year as is a real challenge they don't have any other strings attached to them and so it's easy for a college kid to just mail it in one week. I got exams this week. I got a couple of dates. I don't want want to mess up until the priorities are always changing in to keep the focus of a nineteen year old is very challenging whereas we talked about it in the NFL. We're adults. We have families families like those are our priorities and so being the best professional possible is really important to us. And so the motivation more often comes from within And so the one one guy would say that would be interesting to me is urban Meyer because he strikes me as a CEO type head coach whereas And those other guys are successful because yeah they've got sexy little offenses and they've done good things but for the most part they're winning because their talent is just so far superior to all the other teams and they're getting the most out of that talent with motivational quotes and speeches and doing silly gadgetry type stuff. That just doesn't play in an NFL locker. Room my drawback with Urban Meyer. Because I think he would be tough and accountable and he'd make the guys his respect him. My drawback is he doesn't have NFL experience and so is he just going to hire a bunch of college coaches to try to come and coach Nfl guys which doesn't always work more times than not doesn't work because the pro coaches are like neo. The coaching style. That you had in college doesn't play like were adults were professionals There's a lot of things that you don't know because you're only working with a college kid two or three hours a day in college in the NFL. You're working with. Your guys has ten to twelve hours. A day And then the other concern that I would add is your higher urban Meyer. He's going to be there for two or three years and then he's going to have a health condition and he's going go leave and go take the next best job somewhere else. And so what type of commitment are you going to get from. Him is almost my biggest concern. With Urban Meyer. I also think Urban Meyer Works Twelve John. Dorsey Joe what is it GonNa take endorse me as the next head coach of the Cleveland. Browns I've already done that. I've been waiting so my one was Brian Day. Ball my one B. Guy Andrew Hawkins. I appreciate it all right. I'll be awaiting my phone call from the has m's any minute now to offer me the job in which I will demand control of the roster three parking spots I want to Jim Browse Conference Room changed in my name and honor. What's empty although have to do is change the EH? There's no paperwork computer in there. I only went to work three days a week. That's off the rip off straight. I have other jobs. I'm not leaving so I'm going to do all those job having to work at the NFL network. Uninterrupted Continued to podcast as well as coach. The Cleveland Browns. Those are just a few of my demands declaration in the the city of in the city of Cleveland Ohio Imsa our Candy Bar Soda Back in the facility. You know what when the has came I signed with Cleveland. There's always actually mountain dew in the facility and I would always get him out and do from the refrigerator. The way home and Mrs has lower drinking a mountain to on the way the home because I want to be a candidate was first time meeting me or something though woke. Don't you up because I used to always go to the browns facility on the way home home after I do my ice dub at like six o'clock at night and I pour tallboy coffee and I'd finish it off for the Double Espresso because I knew the worst and most stressful part of my day was coming up when you had to go home and deal with kids at the time I needed because I'm super tired after a long day of practice which I watched but working we're going out and meetings and stuff but I needed that energy to deal with the kids when I got home performance enhancer to be a dad removed all the soda from the facility and that was the moment I realized it was time to retire. If I didn't have access to soda for nine hours a day Mike how. How is this going to work so she was? She wanted to make everything healthier She did in by getting rid of means team healthier just but that move all right guys that does it for this episode of the Tomahawk. Show Joe you have any final thoughts Batman yeah final thoughts. It is an offence black Monday. It's always a little bit. Sobering goes for a lot of teams. If you're not in the playoffs you&