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TE Tiers 2019

NFL Talking Heads

24:35 min | 2 years ago

TE Tiers 2019

"Welcome to the N._F._l.. Talking Heads Fantasy football podcast show here a your hosts Jeff Carrier Seth Law. Hello everyone and welcome to the N._F._l.. Talking talking heads of fantasy football podcast show. I'm your host Jeff carrier. He is seth law. We are back for another great episode to talk tight end tears getting closer rounding out all our positional tears for everyone out there and seth it is time the training camp season has finally started. We're going to actually start seeing seeing some players on the field and you know soon enough. They'll be most likely some injuries impacting rankings and of course eighty ps but it's exciting to see people on the field in football almost here. Oh Yeah it's been it's been way too long and we are. We're back in it. It's one hundred degrees out today in New Hampshire and no better place to be during one hundred under degree day than inside in the air conditioned in the air conditioning talking fantasy football so let's let's get to it all right so before we get into tight end tears big breaking news on Tyreek Hill there will be no suspension from the N._F._l.. tyreek hill you know let's just skip the part on the inconsistency of the N._F._l.. And whether or not he should have been suspended or not. That's a different discussion. Let's get to whereabout uh fantasy football where does terry kill now slide into your rankings A._D._p.. Wise not ranking. Should I say where does he slide in eighty P wise on the draft board where we're my drafting him Yup also when we talk yesterday when the news broke and you ask me my first reaction was like third round. That's the first thing I said we talked about it and as before I even looked at any updated eighty ps and it looks like you know his A._D._p.. Is Bright in the third round three point four and I think that's pretty on target right now. I'm drafting him today. If the draft is today I would take him in the third round right around three point zero four. That's pretty spot on now if it's pretty quiet on the tyreek hill front from now until the being the season and we're here in late August and he's always you know he's on his best behavior hasn't got into trouble. There's no nothing else is breaking is no other evidence that emerges than I could see taking him in the the second round. Maybe the end of the second round middle the second round the bottom line is tyreek hill. If this off the field stuff never never immersion or was never an issue. He's a early second rounder like you can make a case for maybe taking him in the first round right I mean he he's that elite has that much upside. He's probably the number one fantasy wide receiver if we're just talking football and when he brings you know on the field so the drafts right now. I'm taking him in the third round but I'm giving you know I'm open to moving that up to to the second round <hes> if nothing else crazy happens now in August. I'm going to be a a bit more aggressive as we kind of our initial reactions kind of led me to to to believe now if you if you're type person will you go on and you're looking at the A._D._p.. And you see three point zero four all you need to do is look at the chart of at four point zero three. There's four point four and now he's at three point four. He went up a full round within a day well. The law of averages should tell us that he's not getting to three or four because people are drafting met three. Oh four people were drafting him above that spot and that's where his average opposition happens to be landing or he skyrocketed in a day so my guess is he's getting drafted right now in the middle of the second so if you've seen three point four <hes> and you're you're going off that you're never going to get him realistically. If you're looking at the second round of the fantasy football draft I mean first thing that comes to mind is he easily sides in front of Damian Williams in my eyes I mean why why am I taking Damian Williams over Tyreek Hill. You're not doing that so so he easily slides in front of that spot as worst case scenario and then in terms of just a range of outcomes or Dra- oppositions. I say he could go as high as above depending on how you like some of these players like I would take Juju over him but I would take tyreek over Odell Beckham so now we're talking on the fringe of the turn so my guess is he's. He's all the way that high to potentially downward Liam so one point twelve to two point zero. Seven is the range. I have a minute and probably closer to the top of that range. I mean mean if we didn't get in trouble for what we just all experience right if he didn't get in trouble then then he's not gonna get suspended during the season even if he did something else he would need some kind of the Cam. I'd be more worried about the Kansas City the chiefs potentially suspending him if something else comes up and they face a big you know a p._r.. Hit and there's backlash there's pressure put on the chiefs. Maybe the chief suspend him. You know I don't know or maybe this this gets. Maybe something else happens in this gets to be to the the point where there's so much heat on tyreek Hill that there's a huge distraction and he wasn't perform or he who knows. I mean like if you're if you're going to take him in the early second round or some of these players wanted to take over Julio. I mean like either there. You're hedging against all that other stuff. You're not now. I'm hedging against all that other stuff by taking him in the third round if you're not doing that if you're taking him over Odell Beckham then what you're saying is I'm not worried about any of that other stuff at all so at that point wanted to take him in the first round. Down I think he's a first round player like you could take you could take him over Julio. You can take him definitely over Le Vian Bell you could potentially take him over Michael Thomas. I mean if he if we're just talking about tyreek hill the fantasy football wide receiver. He's probably W top eight or nine pick yeah I mean I suppose I mean you definitely have a point. I'm most I am more on the side of. I'm not really paying attention to anything else happening because also the Kansas City chiefs allowed him back into the facilities weeks before this announcement so it seems like everything's kind of getting brush underneath the rug now that we have a solid month until we actually have our draft. I think that we'll get everything we need to know in terms of quote unquote P._R.. It would take something drastic like a ray rice kareem hunt video to come out and I think we've already kind of heard you know in audio the worst that was released so I I suppose you always have that risk with someone with Terry kills background but I'm going for more upside there but anyways good conversation going to be a very interesting player over the next few weeks I think without a shadow of a doubt he's going to be creeping up at least a solid round if not more to your point because of how he did finish last year he does deserve to be potentially in the conversation of the first wide receiver off the board and the first wide receiver off the board is is typically deandre Hopkins at around six so all right so let's jump into it tight ends ooh tough position to picks the sexiest position Asian all fantasy so this should be a little bit shorter because it's just not as much obviously depth here to talk about. We have a couple of the the regulars right at the top that we're familiar with this. is how the topless. Let's just top ten. I'M GONNA say with a top ten finished out last year and you can start off with your tier. One tight ends just in order from one to ten was Travis Kelsey kittle Erz Hebron Cook Burton Burton Austin Hooper the joke who Rudolph O._J.. Howard and some of these are obviously you know ranking the difference between ranking thirteen and six for example was like a total title of less than it was ten points so less than one point a week so there really aren't ten good tight ends here if you're an attend team league in every team has one tight end l.? Every semester star one tight end is going to be at least two or three the teams that aren tight end stream mode starting we one okay so tier one for you for tight ends tier one from eases Travis Calcium jacquards. I think clearly Travis Kelsey is a a little bit ahead of jacquards but I like them. Both you can't go wrong with either one. I would put them in the same here on. I think it's pretty pretty easy pretty straightforward. Travis Chelsea's Akers Tier One yep now of course we're GONNA follow up all of our tears with breaking down where they're going A._D._p.. Wise so that's going to be a different discussion but I did want to clarify that just because we're we're saying Zakar. It's the same tears Kelsey <hes> in terms of player and quality and all that stuff. I am a little hesitant on where's Akers A._D._p.. Is You know and Kittles for that matter but we're going to get to that in different say yeah. We're look at it like it is if A._D._p.. Doesn't matter value doesn't matter just who who who do you have all things are equal if you can get him in the same spot. Who would you rather have <hes>? I think it's clearly travis Kelsey Anzac urged you agree. Yep completely agree on that because here's here's the key. I think a lot of people are going to say you know. Why are you not have George Kill Kill in that <hes> in that that tier because his A._p.? Is Three Point Nine Zakharov three point zero six. They're close <hes> George kill had more receiving yards last year. He's he's a little younger in my thing is and I have we'll kind of transition to the second tier George Kill <hes> by himself into your to the reason for that is it's just a little bit more uncertainty with George Kitto. Jimmy Garoppolo is going to be healthy. We'll see Jimmy. Garoppolo can stay healthy. That offense is on the come up. Endorsed kills obviously going to be a big part of that. He was a big part of their offense last year on a really really bad team so I think George kiddle has you could argue. He has a little more upside Zacher especially considering. I don't think anybody expects Akers to have one hundred sixteen catches again but I just like the situation as accurate and the it's more stable. I think George kittle could potentially be a little bit more volatile but I think he's clearly in the second tier by himself. If you miss out on Jacquards and Travis Kelsey and you end up with George Kill you have one of the three best tight ends and fantasy football and like we saw last year he's going to be a stud so George Kettle into your to all by himself and after that I think there's a pretty big drop off yeah and a lot can be said about the difference between target chair percentage when Jimmy Garoppolo is there and when he he wasn't is actually pretty similar twenty three percent the first three weeks with Jimmy Garoppolo twenty six percent with the rest of the quarter quarterbacks that they had for their meeting of the season of forty niners so you know there should be questioned in terms of if Jimmy Garoppolo's gotta feed kibble but I think the bigger question is can he hold onto his twenty three percents with the influx of new receivers and kind of weapons so. I think he might get a knock there but I think like you said it's close. He's in his own tier so I agree with that as well lily a little bit more uncertainty with if he can keep hold of that target share percentage but I look at his touchdown only five touchdowns last year so even if his target share percents drops off a little bit and even though we see that receptions eight eight receptions go down a little bit because of it he could easily put an eight nine touchdowns you know in that and so I think back a balance out but yeah he's he's in Tier Two tier three we big drop off and I think this is the spot where and this is probably different conversation Mt Tear Tear tweezers empty three-tiered pretty empty. I think at this point for me I would almost be looking to to wait like that's how crazy does this year with the it's really top heavy of the three big tie downs and after that and actually know what I'll make one one caveat too that is I really like O._J.. Howard and I think the problem with O._J.? Howard our is his A._D._p.? Is is five point zero seven so everything we love. Boji Howard is baked in already baked into his eighty pig which A._d._p.'s not top what we're talking about today so different conversation for different show but <hes> my tier three is is is O._J.. Howard Eric Hebron and Hunter Henry and Hunter Henry would be at the bottom of that here? I you know I debate even leaving him out of this third tier. I just decided I'm leaving Hunter Henry. He doesn't deserve to being here O._J.. Howard Air Lebron I I love O._J.? Howard for a lot of the same reasons that I love Chris Godwin we've we've already talked about Kris Golvin a lot? I know he's a trendy player. I I love of O._J.. Howard for so often the Bruce Arians thing which I wanNA talk about everybody mentioned the Bruce Arians the offense better but this is O._J.? Howard third year in the league this is where tight ends you know usually make the step forward to being an actual factor after now health is is always an issue with O._J.? Howard hasn't played a full season yet but only played eight games last year fourteen the previous year in his rookie are but we're already seen the touchdown said five or more touchdowns each of his first two seasons seasons four hundred more receiving yards each of his first two seasons and we don't usually tight ends make an impact at all? It's even worse than than it is a receivers when they come into the N._F._l.. Early on so I I like his talent his size his athletic ability loved the offense and no more Adam Humphries no more to Sean Jackson. I think it's GonNa be a big year throwing the ball for Tampa Bay. They lead the N._F._l.. Last year and pass attempts. They're gonNA throw the ball a ton so I like O._J.. Howard I I don't love his A._D._p.? But again we're doing tears and I think that he is clearly hands down. The fourth best tight end big drop off from George Killed O._J.. Howard but I think O._J.? Howard presents a good balance at this point of he's going me fairly safe relatives the tight ends that are in this grouping and he has the most upside at anybody else from this point on yet? I think the one that in terms of in this here the disagree with his Eric Hebron on I just don't like how they brought in Devin funchess who I feel like is fairly similar player to Eric Hebron even more weapons of Paris Campbell etc.. Maybe a healthy Marlin Mac. I just the more of a I don't like Hebron repeating his numbers and I I would probably throw Evan Ingram in the same tears how so so you didn't like you don't like Kevin Ingram obviously as much as Howard or even Abra no no no ear Iran. I see I agree with you on a lot of points about Abraham Hebron's a great example of for A._D._p.. I I don't love him and he probably won't be on a lot of my teams because six point twelve is too pricey for Hebron at the same point though we're just ranking these tight ends on you know how they are as fantasy players without A._D._p.'s entering into the equation argue bronze number four I mean I think you expect his touchdowns to come down a little bit because of what you mentioned with with the addition of funchess and maybe Peres Campbell Marla Mac and how the but bottom line indies going to have a really good offense and Andrew Lock is very efficient red zone. They're going to be a lot of touchdowns up for grabs. Eric Brown had thirteen touchdowns. I think he can still get ten so you were. We're talking about a a starting tight end with Andrew Lock on the Indianapolis Colts. Getting potentially ten touchdowns get to be in the seven to eight hundred receiving yards sixty <unk> distinct those are solid safe numbers to expect from Eric Hebron even if he comes down down a little bit on his production from last year and that's why I'm taking him over Evan Ingram you know I in terms of tears I like him more than Evan Ingraham a loved more than like him more than Hunter Henry and so on okay and so that wraps up tier three are- with O._J.. Howard and Eric Hebron heading into tier four is this where we have Evan Ingram and Hunter Henry and anyone else or how's your tearful look just just those is too? I I after that where you know. I don't know what we're GONNA do frontiers. It's like everybody else at that point. It's like I'm waiting. I might wait till to grab P._J.. Hopkinson if you round later I have Hunter Henry and Evan Ingram to pure wide receiver <hes> tight end threats if you will I I just I don't love we'll start with Hunter Henry. I mean first of all. He's really had a hard time staying unhealthy. He missed all of last season right and I just we haven't really seen we've seen stuff from Hunter Henry in spurts right and he's very his touchdown numbers. Were really high as rookie or they touchdowns if he. Gets the snaps he is going to be hit. His upside is great if he can get the volume being at the snaps if he can get the targets we just haven't seen it to this point in San Diego or Los Angeles if you will so I like him more than ever ingram because I like his upside a little bit more than Evan Ingram. I like the chargers offense better than the giants offense obviously but I think these two are very I think that the the variances greater with these two especially Hunter Henry I think he's got more boom bust potential. We've seen him have weeks where he has two touchdowns. I've seen him have weeks where he basically puts up zero bomb yeah. Sometimes I just don't understand these eighty ps I mean are people literally only swinging for the fences and just like just completely content with just whipping. I mean Hunter Henry missed all twenty eighteen right didn't do it is intend to anything the previous years he was a nice player but not a great player because Philip rivers like some of the elite quarterbacks passes the ball around so much so he was a nice player he wasn't Kelsey or Gronk any of his first two seasons so he misses an entire year and somehow is so getting drafted early six six round right now in team league I just I don't understand the A._D._p.. Now in terms of caliber player is he above just about everyone else as he should be in this last here that you have I agree because this upside is higher but that doesn't mean he should be going into six round again other discussion for different day his his pedigree and that team he's got some upside there for sure and he'll be heading into his. I don't know I guess technically is fourth year or you know his third playing ear so yeah yeah I think this rounds out my tears because hundred Henry and everything or to me while I don't love of either one of them. I think you can look at each of them and say okay. I have my starting tight end granted. Oh probably be still be my we the weakness on my team. It might my worse starter but I have a starting caliber tight end that I'm at least gonNA start every single week because they have upside after that. It's it's pretty much. You're streaming tight ends. You're drafting multiple tight ends in you know playing it by committee so I. I don't know what you WANNA do for the next exteriors I mean it will. I is there anybody else that I left out that you would include in this year. I would probably include in that tier. I wouldn't take them before. I don't know I wouldn't necessarily put him his own tear. This lump them in as the quote tear before the streaming tears. We'll call it is probably jared cook because he had pretty good year last year and with New Orleans I feel like you'll fit that category that you just Kinda described and that is I've got a starter on most most weeks. Not every week is going to be great but a most weeks assuming health you know I can just plug him in there and I think you'll have a decent day so I think I'd throw jared cook in that in there and in that here with my problem Joel Island Promise Jerry Cook is the Saints Really Have Not used tight ends since they had Jimmy Graham and is that a product of them not really having in good tight end or is that just they got a lot of rushing touchdowns with Alvin Kamara. Even though there's no Mark Ingram here you have Michael Thomas who's an absolute beast and they spread the ball around so much I just I think but at this point the draft yeah I I think we look at him as a starter I I think he's kind of lumped in. I look like Jared Cook. David Joko potentially awesome hooper in this range and T._J.. Hopkinson those would be my you know. My grouping of players is that that might follow the next year but I'm not going out on my way to grab any of those players I would. I would consider them with the exception. Maybe Teacher Hawkins and I don't know if you're GONNA start him week one but I think at least second half the season you should be in a position to maybe you know feel like you can start him. Yeah I agree that's why I was like he's kind of behind the other two but kind of fits a category that might deserve its own tears so maybe maybe cook no joke who Hopkinson Hooper might have their own semi. I tear in front of the streamers the but to your point you're definitely not going out of your way for any of these people. No I think we always see the drop off and tight ends pretty quickly every year where you're like okay. I'm not really going on my way. We get the next best tight end because he's not doesn't why doesn't excite me. I'm just GonNa wait until the very end similar to what people do with quarterbacks in one quarterback leagues and I think this year that just starts even earlier and maybe it's partly is not having Gronk you're you you take gronk out a no players Jimmy Grammar no longer a factor Jordan Reed is now. We're completely writing him off. So the tight end position shallower Kyle Rudolph is another one who's lower who's kinda fallen own off the face of the Earth for fantasy and I think after after Kelsey urged kittle in maybe Howard you know I could maybe talk myself into take him in the sixth or seventh round but the fifth round is too early after that. I'm just like you know we're overpaying for. Some of these mediocre tight ends like Evan Ingram Hundred Henry Eric Hebron even jared cook in the seventh round jerk cooking the seventh rounds crazy. That's crazy town right crazy town. I mean again. I said the difference between six and thirteen it was like what ten points for the entire year and I guarantee at least fifty seventy five percent of those tight ends were just streamers basically for the most part so to your point is that that's going to wrap up our tight hide ends. We're going to be back four hour quarterbacks. Here's and we're going deep real deep south and I are big to Q._B.. Fans so <hes> we're going to be doing all thirty Q._B.'s.

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Ice & Fire Picks, Hot Lockett, Groin Index

The Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast

49:36 min | 2 years ago

Ice & Fire Picks, Hot Lockett, Groin Index

"Hey foot clan. We are so excited to bring you the bigger batter better ultimate draft kit for twenty nineteen and you can get it right now at ultimate draft kit dot com for the preorder price before releases June. I get in there you'll get access to all the player data you could ever want rankings hundred plus player profile videos, Matt Harman's reception perception, the brand new app, right there on your phone, and more. Check it out at ultimate draft kit dot com. Well to the fantasy footballer spot cast coming to you from pristine option dot com studios with your home's Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike. Right. Oh, come in. Bring it back. We're bringing it back. I and fire. Yes, I fire on the show today. Ice and fire. I should fire. We debuted this segment, the featured segment on today's show debuted that on last year's live tour, and it was a it was a wonderful success. Probably the best thing we've ever done people often on the foot cast our Thursday show. They say they literally come to they just want to handle and just say please play that drop. Please just just play after that. Don't say anything just play the drop play multiple times. So that's on today's show. I for all intensive purposes, this is our cat of individual super early sleeper super early bust. Knicks sure would know it's our ice and firearms because we do have a very exciting end to the game of thrones universe coming on Sunday. And so we will Jason you're doing okay. I'm still not over anything. We're supposed to say. Spoiler alert. Yes. That's what the nice people say, if you haven't watched it, if you're a fireman is my point out, firefighters firefighters are aghast, part of their job, there, appear, not allowed to watch game of thrones until three days, four days later. Well to be my cousins, a firefighter. I know what he does. The firehouse. No. You did say you got some feedback day fighters shout out to the diligent firefighter, who doesn't just, you know, like us watch game of thrones. All right. We heard one person in France, who takes a little extra time as because people in France. Well, thirty our work we get down on the TV signal has to go all the way over there. Oh, that's as yes. That's not just we actually we send it by boat. Really big real. Yes. The game there's only one real, and then they have to duplicate. It's huge. I did not know any of that, Mike, learn about France, male. All right. We do have a great quick question to start the show. It's a little bonus bonus or aggressor impress bonus. We had their aggressor impress show on Tuesday. We did not talk about, oh, clock it. Yes, Tyler Lockett. We brought up the fact Baldwin he's retiring in Seattle, great career, but we didn't talk about the fantasy implications. The fantasy impact of the retirement of Doug Baldwin Tyler Lockett. I heard my call him the Loch Ness monster yesterday because he is just an enigma. Mr. And it was a clever pun, KU correct, correct? So there was also another quote from Mike. You said Tyler Lockets twenty eighteen season haunts my dream. Let's here's the thing is I've talked about it for a while of how just just going off with the roster ticks, and how they just skyrocketed where he got the same targets the same receptions, but it's catch percentage in yards and touchdowns just went through the absolute roof, and then someone had asked me. Well, what is what happened with this air yards? And if you're not familiar area arts you're just measuring the ball in the air. I mean these aren't like scored or anything. But it helps you identify what's happening with a wide receiver a lot of air yards is, is very, very positive. And you know that they're going to eventually hit, and it's all players that actually have more receiving yours than air, yards, makes complete sense. You have Michael Thomas, Julian Ataman, Adam Humphreys, Colby's, -ly, PR guys, who. Our yards after the catch. They're getting short. And then they're adding on after the ball has traveled through the air not not dishonor, Jack who's going deep my Evans. You know, just huge air yards, Laura, walk it. Yeah. That's the thing is last year somehow Tyler Lockett who generally speaking has double the amount of air yards. Then he does receiving yards had more receiving yards an air yards. It's literally impossible one here in handling this, well, not gonna wind you're going to go talk to somebody. We've already arranged it. You're gonna sit down once a week talk through your Tyler Lockett, Russell Wilson feelings idea like he feels about Tyler Lockett, how I feel about Danny. Oh, like from game if they're on this, I can't handle I can't I can't handle what would title lock it did because it more from the projecting him into next year? And now you have some some reports coming out like, Evans Silva's tweeting out. It sounds like from Seattle that Tyler Lockett is going to be the slot guy. Now, what is happening? Huge problems. Projecting Seattle in general massive. You. You have a very compelling case for regression based on the analytics of Tyler Lockett, except that, if that regression happens, but it is counterbalanced by the fact Doug Baldwin retires. By the fact he moves into the slot. Maybe receives higher quantities of targets and more total reception. Yeah. The slot newsbreaks everything all of this makes it very difficult to predict regression in our ultimate draft kit. We make a number of picks for sleepers breakouts. Values busts. Lock. It was written on our board as a question, Mark around the bus category. And we couldn't do it because of the removal of Doug Baldwin because of I don't even like looking at Tyler Lockets consistency charts as an indicator of anything because this was a player who has had injury issues, who was he's been young and has been an ascending talent in the NFL going through changes of offense in Seattle. Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't even read into twenty fifteen sixteen seventeen because it's just too far in the past. If this is a regressive impress obviously, the data says that he should regress, but I would actually go the other way, which is rare, you know, usually I am always siding with the data I go with impress because look at what Matt Harmon has always thought, you know, when he charts, he's always since, you know, rookie year Tyler Lockett said, look, this is a really good wide receiver. Now, if you have a really good wide receiver who is now. The number one undisputed with a hall of fame quarterback in his prime. I mean, you know what, what more do you want a really talented wide receiver in a really talented quarterback? I realized that they're not a high passing volume team, but Russell Wilson's going to get the job done, and he's going to do that with Tyler Lockett. So I'm I'm in on Tyler Lockett for twenty nineteen and the thing that we have to remember to we were a little bit shocked at what Seattle did last year. This is a player for fantasy purposes. That was the forty four th sixty I fifty eighth going into last year. Those were Hispanic finishes for three consecutive years, and then he got paid by Seattle. You remember that it was almost as though they knew, the not only that they were going to utilize him in conjunction with that big paycheck. But just that what was on the table like Doug Baldwin's future, not secure. They obviously went out and drafted decay Metcalf. I'm sitting here going, okay, how much of an impact will met have have compared to a guy like. Gary jennings. Fourth round draft pick. You just don't know who's going to emerge. But, you know, who Tyler Lockett is an interesting case Mike. Let us know if you work through some of the impossible demons at some points on we encourage you to follow us on Twitter. I'm gonna give you all of the handles at the F F ballers the show handle at Andy Holloway. That's mine. Jason, Jason NFL Mike. You can follow the hitman himself at f- f hitman the website is definitively, footballers dot com. And one thing I wanted to mention we appreciate all the reviews that we've seen coming in on apple podcast. They do a lot for the show. So if you enjoy what you're listening to if you're excited about us moving to three days a week, five days a week in the season, please head over to alpine cast leave us a review. And if you're interested, if you're in Chicago, fear in San Francisco, New York, Phoenix, you wanna come see the show live, you can go to ballers live dot com. Get your tickets. They are going quick. There aren't any left in Los Angeles. So if you're one of those cities head over there, let's talk about some news. News notes from around the league presented by sleeper. All right. Let's talk about colts tied ins, gentlemen. Oh, not to be outdone. Eric hebron. He read the report about Jack Doyle expected to be ready from camp with the hip injury. Well, Eric Hebron is also on the mend from a groin injury. I feel like I missed this in the everybody. Did I this is the first? I've heard of it. And when I saw beat reporters talking about it, they guys don't subscribe to the groin index, the newsletter it was all over that, man. What's the what I actually I don't for the groin index. I don't recommend driving to that. I really don't. You know, you think you want to, and then you don't going index dot com. Registering it, please don't Eric Braun. Nobody knew about it this happens every offseason. Right. You got a handful of players that, oh, they went under the knife to get something taken care of. What, what does it matter? I mean what, what is the impact for you? Well, the, the impacts is probably nothing. It just I it's very positive for my narrative that argue Brown will be an ice player. I'm going to talk about him later, boys. You're you we already said, you're supposed say spoiler. You split your spoiling the rest of the show Mike. Sorry they. All right. Let's anything else down. I mean look, it's not you don't want players coming off of injury. So it is it's in the negative column for for era. All right. NFL networks might Garoppolo confirms Bill bell check going to be the defensive coordinator for the team in twenty nineteen. That means there will not be a head coaching candidate coming out of the defensive coordinator position next year. Tyler I for he has been essentially a full go and offseason workouts. We've all been through our initial rankings for the twenty nineteen fantasy football season. Tyler effort is my highest ranked Cincinnati Bengals tight knit he's mine as well. But that put him in the fifteen range as a sleeper tight end candidate. Look, if you're going to completely punt the tight end position and take title and with your last pick. I'm saying it again Tyler you could do worse than going into week one seeing if Tyler I for. Can be healthy. Yeah. No, that's fair. Albert Wilson sideline to start. OTA's. That's expected. Yeah, it's just a Albert Wilson for fantasy purposes is a dangerous. Yeah. Even go further and say, Miami, what did I say? You said Albert Wilson, C I Miami, in general. You're saying you're taking wells in your expanding it to stills into Parker into there's no sure fire I mean, I, I like Drake. I'll take Drake and nothing else. Love the Drake. Love the Drake. The Cleveland Plain dealer's Mary, Kay caveat reports do Johnson. We'll participate not as it's amazing. How many times this has to be reported that he will be playing for the team? He's on. That is not a good sign for his purposes when he demanded a trade, you know, it was one of those things where okay you go outside cream hunt. I don't wanna be here. I wanna get in. I want to be involved. But clearly, the team is saying, look, you're going to be involved. You are part of the plan. We need you. You're going nowhere. So he has no choice to be fair for Duke, the when he did this the first time when he made a, a bit of. Scene, if you recall when he looked, basically deleted his Twitter, and it was this really strange passive, aggressive social media attack worked out the contract in right after that, so could disappear to another team. Well, just saying, I don't blame him for going back to the well when it worked the first pets as fair teams. They go under social pressure. Yes. And they've been. All right. What about this news? Because this broke the smarting bizarre, the jets have fired their GM and the VP of personnel. Yeah. Both these guys were the ones that orchestrated the trade up for Sam darnold. They orchestrated all of the off season signings of Levy on bell, and C. J Moseley in the big the big acquisitions and they're gone. They're done and reports are coming out all over the place about Adam gays, not wanting to sign levian Bill O, because the honest truth was this and we've set it off season. Like nobody we knew he'd get paid. Because I only takes one but because it only takes one team but nobody wants to spend money on the running back position, no matter how good you are. I mean Adam gates he's got this weapon, he has no choice. But he's the interim GM now. Yeah. He's Mr. buttonholes keeping people out of the out of the organization now. We're, we're in the realm of speculation. And he said, she said stuff coming out of New York. Do you believe Adam gays, did not want to do this vehemently, and do you, do you think this affects things at all? Like if Adam gates did it want him will he really, really say, okay? I'm giving you twenty plus carries a game. I'm giving you six targets game. If there is a coach who would take a talented player who's clearly best and not just give them a runway to do his job. I think he got the name for a reason. So he's done it before. It's all Kenyan Drake. Yeah. So no, look, I guess, at the show. But as of now jazz of now, I am not changing my rankings, I have Levy on bell with the healthy workload, the money, dictates that the talent should dictate that, but we can't just ignore the fact that the reason he got the moniker and it could happen again. And the thing is, if you, if you don't have the support, you at least believe gays has a vision for bringing him in. You would have thought he was the driver. He says, I need this guy. He's got to be a part of my offense. I wanna use them in this way, if it was a middling running back and you found this out, I would be more concerned because his love Bill and the money. Like Jason say the guy give him the money he go. Yeah. Well, let bells there. So we'll see what happens be sure to play on a fantasy sports platform that does not suck that is key. Yeah. Check out the sleeper at modern design infinite customization support for redraft dynasty and keeper leagues as always. Our news brought to you by the sleeper app, gentlemen. Before. Oh. He was ready. I know I want to tantalize for. But sixty seconds more, I want to thank hellofresh for supporting today's show. Do you guys like food love? I love food. Do you like more than you, two guys you live more than good? I even more than regular food. Do you like food that comes together in a maximum of thirty minutes? You don't have to wait. Yes, sir. It doesn't require a lot of cleanup. Yep. Even better. 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Go back put the headphones in sit. In a good go back to the bathroom with the head, but that's that'll word out, outta work and play that drop over the well-done Mike. Thank you. I know how you came up with the music, but it was great. Yeah. Ice and fire a lot more fire than ice on the last episode. Let's put it that way. But we're going to make the little the Matic transition into fantasy football here, picking ice pick any fire pick for twenty nineteen these are fun. Yes. These are exciting. I'm gonna start. All right. And we're gonna bring the ice, I write you deal with the Nike king first. And then you deal with the innocent people. My ice pick. And there were several that I was looking at. But I don't know if it can be any icier than will New York City for the football giants. And I actually think golden Tate could under wellm in a big way this year. Golden Tate's kind of track record in fantasy football. And the National Football League has been yards after the catch. Right. You just brought up the air yards versus like golden Tate multiple times as led the league in yards after the catch. Yep. He's always going to catch the ball six seven yards away from the line of scrimmage, that's just as historical average. But is that going to be enough for fantasy owners in New York? He's a new addition to that offense. And if he's great gentlemen, do you realize why? Targets me. He has to get volume from whom. Ally alignment if he's great ally. Manning is playing a part in or the or the tight end who's gonna complain coordinator will Jones. Then so you know three or four touchdowns the ball inaccurately or occasionally thrown to him six or seven yards from scrimmage. I think that you, you have a real wasteland situation. That's possible in New York with the pass catchers and just to get your Turkey before think about thinking about what the defense is going to be doing against the New York Giants that they couldn't do against a when he was in his heyday, with the lions, right? You've got call golladay or Marvin Jones, or you got people stretching the field going long. Now, it's like okay, where's the defense focus? They're all up at the line there. Like go ahead, you they're trying to stop saquon. They're trying to, you know, so that short stuff those screens, there's going to be a lot of defenders in that area for Golden State, they have to break through and get those yards after no old like gold as not old. But he's, he's thirty years old. And he's been around the block a few times he wasn't very relevant in Philadelphia on, I'll give him the pass on that because. Midseason transition, whatever you want to say, but he's not a player that's going to be a guarantee to show up in the insult. And if he's bad. I find a lot more reasons why he would be Pat low pass volume ally man, and could be a problem. He could transition to Daniel Jones saquon. Sterling Shepard Ingram could receive. Enough of a low pass volume offense to kind of reduce him into a fantasy disappointment. And so, you know, it's just something that I think could be deceptive pick going to a new team and not knowing what golden tastes really going to be and a lot of times. People say somebody has to be fantasy relevant right from an offense or from a wide receiver core. But there are wastelands in fantasy football sometimes they're AMI's, receiving core has often been a wasteland in recent years. And I just don't know how much I can expect from golden Tate. That's, that's why he's in my ice pick as of may fifteen on. I'm I am totally on board with this because it's it's volume you have to have volume for golden to me he was in the league for four years before he went to Detroit, and we and fantasy players actually cared who golden Tae was. And that's when he took off it. It's. It's not that they, they won't give a player that target volume because Odell Beckham seasons of one hundred thirty eight hundred fifty eight like if golden Tate's getting one hundred fifty eight targets you're happy, but the difference is Oto Beckham is giving you fifteen yards a reception thirteen and a half yards per reception. Can the giants afford to give a player who's only giving you averaging ten yards a reception that type of target volume can the offense sustained drives living that type of alive? And I'm not sure that they can. All right. My Jason you have to pick an ice player who I look I've got a beautiful ice player. And I don't even like I don't mean pica's great, right? I mean it's hands in sculpted out of a live is, yes, Jimmy handsome, Jimmy Gherat. All come on now. I know people already Niner fans are destroyed. They're already, they're throwing tomatoes at their television screen handsomer. Jimmy garoppolo. Are they throw? Snow because we're on the television screen Hanson oh, Jimmy Garoppolo. Okay. I don't think Johnstone's actually that hands. What he's not telling off man. You seen here. Sizes go watch. This isn't a thing for me. Go watch the Senate live where Joe Harrington hosted, and then see him without his beard. Go ask any woman in America. I've just had they want once and watch him without the beard, and you go, oh, we're like a poll needs to go up you need. Is he good Paul? I'm putting a poll. All right. Mark Morton stuff while I talk about silly fantasy football. Here's the thing with Jimmy Garoppolo. He could be outstanding. He could light the world on fire. We have seen in small bursts, incredible play when he came over in the trade to San Francisco and he had his, you know, the games where he took the team that wasn't winning. And he said win. We're not going to lose any more, he was on pace in that stretch for five thousand yards. So there's plenty of reason why people are all hyped. They're excited now they go out and they get some great options in the draft. I think deebo Samuel is a fantastic wide receiver prospect. I think Jalen Hurd, is really interesting. You have George Kittle. We all know I love Dante Pettis. So there's a lot of reasons why Jimmy Garoppolo could both succeed. And a lot of reasons why people are super hyped. So why am I saying this is my ice player right now? It's basically because. The NFL's changing for fantasy quarterbacks. It used to be where Alex Smith and those type of players they're rushing for two hundred yards and it's like, wow, you don't realize how much value that adds a toe. Get outta here with with two hundred yards. Cuyler Murray, Lamar Jackson Cam Newton. Russell Wilson Josh Allen two hundred yards is nothing for rush game. You am I. Right. Right. And so this is a quarterback in Jimmy Garoppolo who you know, he's not a rushing e he was somewhat mobile. We saw that on the knee injury, but coming off of the ACL injury. I doubt he's really going to be trying to be the hero on running plays. So let's give them a one hundred twenty five rushing yards or a hundred or you know somewhere around there. Yeah. If that's the case, and that will be the case you are going to have to have him throwing a lot of touchdowns period when he was on that, incredible fifty or five. Two thousand fifty five thousand yard pace. He was on pace for nineteen touchdowns. That was two seasons ago, use the end of the season after the trade. And here's the reason, look, I think the future is bright. But I think this year with Dante Pederson deebo Samuel. And Jalen Hurd, a lot of there's gonna be some learning curves for these players. And I think when it comes to the office of the San Francisco forty Niners, they are stronger at running back with jerk McKinnon, Matt burrito, and re weapon and. Yeah. And technical Hohmann, and my name is Jeff Wilson. Is there still? So if you look at the history of Kyle Shanahan, who is an office of mastermind. He's great. He has a long history of having incredible passing yardage offenses when he was back with Houston two times. He was a top ten passing yardage team. When he was with Washington he had a top ten passing yardage team. When he was with Atlanta two times top ten passing steam. This is what he does. But so many of those years, you had the passing touchdowns middle of the league, twenty three twenty seven like bottom of be enough in today's NFL is yard is. So my point is if he's going to be back there as a as a passing quarterback you'll have the yardage. He's going to have to have touchdowns to capitalize on where you're drafting Jimmy Garoppolo. I think he's more in the mid twenties touchdowns this year, twenty four twenty five touchdowns. You're not going to be excited about that. He's going to need to be up at the thirty three touchdown Mark to be like, yeah, he fire. Let's move to fire picks now or hers. I was trying to skip yours. Well, I like it. First of all, Jimmy Garoppolo is off to a commanding league all lead already over John snow told you in, in the handsomeness part. So I play her. I already spoiled it apparently why is player is going to be Eric Ibran tied for the Indianapolis Colts. Yeah. I mean, coming off a groin injury that it just gets worse and worse for arrogate run. But here's the thing. Since the year two thousand tight ends that had a season with ten or more receiving touchdowns. It's thirteen players. So not a huge list names, you would expect some names, you would not expect. There are certainly outlier seasons. Like Mercedes Lewis for shanty Irv. Asante shaneco, aching. Yeah. Yeah. So then I I'd narrowed that down. Okay. Tight ends that were able to follow up that season with at least seven or more touchdowns that chops list down to five players and those are exactly the names. You would think of gronk, Jimmy Graham Antonio gates, Vernon Davis Antonio Gonzales, that's it. Those are the players I, I gave him those are great. Those rights are basically like those are hall of fame level tighten those are like first round NFL draft like top ten fell draft pick. Thais. Oh, talent. What do you think of Eric? No. What do you think of Eric Ebro? You put Eric run in the hall of fame already. I'm just saying he was a top ten NFL draft pick telling because he was picked top ten. And then if they'll draft but so here's then on top of that. Those were full-time players, Eric E Bron was not a full-time player win Jack Doyle was on the field gains one game number one forty five percent of snaps game to twenty six point two. Jack Doyle gets hurt air e- bronze playing pretty. Well, why would they go back to Jack Doyle as a cut snaps from, Eric Hebron, except that's exactly what they did week? Eight Eric Brown drops to twenty one percent of the snaps and then down to thirty eight percent of the snaps in week nine what is ice mean to you with Eric Hebron bias means that thirteen right? Thirteen touchdowns though. He said seven were before the by the rest came after nearby. And what does it translate to for fantasy owners? Because I look, I liked the argument Doyle and funchess funchess's arrival big body goal-line guy. I don't even have to make the argument. The point is that the touchdowns could come down. But what does that equate? Because obviously a weapon that just did it that just put up thirteen touchdowns shirt. They don't sit back and go boy, that was well, it's a little too much. Let's go ahead and dial it back. We don't want to score them anytime. So what is the real Listrik expectation is at eight touchdowns is at six I think I if he hits eight I would be surprised I put that threshold at seven for a reason because I do not think Erica. Bronc and hit eight. Now you realize that the weeks eight and nine the weeks you brought up or his odds. He was on pace for twenty four touchdowns. Look, here's crazier numbers because this is why it was hard to bind. Eric Broncos in games. When Jack Doyle was playing he was averaging three receptions, a game and one point one six touchdowns. So three catches over a touchdown per game that my thirty three percents weight is that's what you're betting on is I don't I think Jack dole comes back I think he is the primary tight end. Because he's just a better all around player. Eric in, if you're taking Eric Brown where you have to in that. Like fifth sixth round what you are betting on is three receptions and one touchdown game. I have loved, Eric Braun since his college days have been a big believer in his talent. His speed size ability to beat defenders. And so I am on team. Eric ibran. But the point you bring up are extremely valid. I, I would I have hesitation like I have him as a very high risk player this year because for him to repeat for where he's being drafted, it's going to be difficult. And so, even if the Eric Hebron, truth or can get behind, what you're saying, and be like, yeah, I'm definitely not drafting him at in an early round when he's going to be the fifth tight end off the board. Like, I'm not I'm not putting my eggs in that basket. Then you probably shouldn't his year could very much be ice and fire. Yes. I mean you can have some games that he has the two three touchdown potential. And what I what I'm not saying is he can't do it because he did it last year. I'm just saying I'm going to bet on the side of probability that it cools off that a player is not going to average one point one six touchdowns per game. As the secondary tight end when a team has added all over there often, you're right? He'll be the primary. Good appoint Mike. Thank you. Good luck with one groin. How many do you have you got to know? As I was saying it I was not. Sure. Do you got to groins one big like a UC muscle to groins at one groin, you where you can pull your growing on either side? How many did you just write that a half, and you have to have a growing on, hold on? Hold on growing index dot com. Go to the newsletter. It. He's growing index. Do not go to that website. No. Please do not Jason is taking your way too long for ROY. Well. You have one growing, there's a group of grossest sides. So I'm really not sure good luck with half. A girl had. There we go. You have to groin muscles one on each side. There's a yes. No. It's, it's really easy. If you look at the picture, it's your. Abductor longest muscle Aranka. You gotta love you this, Mike. It's, it's the most appearance the easiest most clear diagram of, of the desert. Yes. I have a oh, how many now you know, not a doctor. Yeah. All right. Here's a player. Here's my fun. At pointed, which one of those two growing did Hebron's. I had to be the left. I don't know. He scored all his touchdowns on the left side of his growing. All right. This is the rail. Mike Williams Brooks. Okay. How you doing over there doing great UN on Mike Williams? He's my fire pick for twenty nineteen. There are players you watch on film, there are players that give you both anecdotal and analytical reasons to like them. Mike Williams is one of those for me. I guys you've, you kinda remember this is the seventh overall pick in the NFL drafter a couple of years ago. This is not. And those are the kind of players that emerges fantasy talents. Tyrone Williams is gone. Everything else is in an established comfortable place in Los Angeles. With the chargers and Mike Williams last season double digit touchdowns. He is figuring things out. And one of the things that doesn't show up in your general game, log and stats sheet that you look at as a fantasy player he had a major contribution in the playoffs against New England eleven targets against New England. I love seeing that forty-one reception. Six hundred plus yards from tyrel gone. Mike Williams was wide receiver ten from weeks eleven through fifteen. So you've seen upside at times you're looking for upside with consistency with Mike Williams this year. And I think you're going to see an increase in target volume and increase in total receptions. And I know this guy's going to find the endzone because he's enormous great body control. Great goal line threat. Love Mike Williams coming into the new year. I know I am the highest by far amongst the three of us on him. But I believe he will emerge this season. And you will be very happy with what you have to spin for him versus what you get from him in fantasy drafts. Yeah, I mean I, I like Mike Williams allot the, the reason that I've got him, you know as, as a slightly more questionable versus a break. A lot of reasons he could break out talent Tara Williams gone. But the fact that last year, he had eleven total touchdowns. Right. Ten ten receiving believe he had a rush. Touchdown as well. You say, okay. Is he going to go up from there? I mean, he's got the talent to do it. But Philip rivers had a very efficient passing touchdown pass season last year. I don't think Philip rivers is going to throw for many more touchdowns than he did last season. So that's where I just I only my only question, maybe it's just a difference in how it comes. Maybe he gets more volume touchdown. Stays the same. And then and then there he goes, he's, he's risen in the rankings. I just worry, what if he comes down to eight touchdowns? That'd be great eight touchdowns but losing to off of last season. It hurts. Yeah. You do. He's never going to be eighty ninety catch guy. That's not the MO that you're going to get with Mike Williams. He has to be what Vincent Jackson used to be in San Diego, which is sixty seven to seventy five or sections big play touchdown opportunities. You lose the five cents with tyrel, I think ten I think he can get back to ten and that's all I need from Mike Williams because I think the other statistics. Go up. So I, I am projecting that only sixty six targets last year, those are going to rise. Yeah. With his with his main line role in this offense. The question for me is the fear of hunter Henry, 'cause I'm more worried about hunter? Henry, eating ensue where Mike Williams performs best than than tyrod Williams. But if you look at the snaps Mike Williams was not a full-time player. Tyrel Willie's was on the field more than him. So now now he's gone. Does that does that automatically turn into a substantial increase in targets when you have hunter Henry there as well? So that, that's my hesitancy. I don't blame you at all fair because tyrel was not an I mean, forty one receptions, that's not a massive vacuum under just as much differ roles in the offense. But I think confidence wise you saw this with Philip rivers over the back half of the season. And this is why I say the anecdotal the visual evidence. Bright, Mike Williams is a gamer he wants to win. And I love those play. On my fantasy team because they go out and he there were times like that rushing touchdown. You talked about he put the team on his back in one that game with his play alone. So he stole a Justin Jackson's touchstone on that, while you're darn right? He was very of sets. All right. Fire? Ruddy. Now, I've never heard of this guy or you speak of it. We've been here before. No, we have it. Look. I loved carry on. I talked to carry on up as a talent. But if you remember last year, I talked I said, it's going to be the year after afterward. After you do more last year, I said, look, it's going to be next season when carrying really north norc season, I have to stick with my guns here because there's literally nothing that we saw to say anything except I everything I said, happened he was unbelievable. No. Would you say that carry on was easily? If I had to cast the Twitter vote. I mean, I might not put it as everything you said happen. But if I had to cast the Twitter vote in your favor with what you saw from carry on in projected for him or against you, I would cast it for you. He looks like a David Johnson s player on the field. He's multi-threat and that is necessary for fantasy football explosive. Oh, explosives still a problem. And his name is Matt Patricia act and maybe Matthew Stanford. I don't think those are problems for twenty nineteen and here's why if you look at by carry on Johnson. So here's the oh, keynote, here's the thing. Kerryon Johnson last year was unbelievably efficient, right? I've point four yards per carry great in the receiving aim. He was a fantastic producer did not have a, you know, a lot of touchdown volume come his way. The lions were not that good. And here's a big reason you wanna know a big reason why the lions were not good. You say Matt Patricia, and you're half, right? It was Matt Patricia in his great strong. Well documented relationship with legare blunt la- Garrett blunt and him were good. Friends from New England legare blunt came over from New England because he was going to get the pro yo level. How fro you Tuesday that was their routine? Lou Gehrig blunt played sixteen games and got one hundred and fifty four carries. So people are like, oh, well. C J Anderson. Their C t Anderson's not getting more than one hundred fifty four cares. But you wanted to let C J Anderson might just actually do he might help keep drives alive. Why would you give a guy the ball one hundred fifty four times when he's averaging two point seven yards per carry? Look your point wasn't bad. He was unfathomable like, why would you terribles guy the ball every time that he was in their drive stopped? They stalled now I don't think they're going to give carry on Johnson the ball, three hundred times they're going to use J Anderson. But if you look at what happened the first couple of weeks of last season carrying on Johnson was not very involved. He broke kind of in this started getting more carries week three. If you look from week three on with putrid la- Garrett blunt, Carrie Johnson was already this isn't like projecting forward. He was all. Ready on pace for two hundred and eleven carries and sixty targets those numbers in year two. Now that he's the man he's going in as the starter. They signed his backup as opposed to last year who's going to compete with her blunt. Those numbers are going to go up from two hundred ten and sixty he is extremely efficient their offense of line. They're getting a first round draft pick back from health that I think that this is going to be the year that carry on breaks out. So you know my fire pick. I, I know I've talked about him a lot. There's not much more. I need to say, other than this, I'm, I'm sticking with what I've been saying for two years, twenty nineteen we'll be the year of kerryon Johnson, do you? So if they're too little alarm bells that go off for me. And you can speak to them briefly, and then we'll get into Mike's pick. I worry like do we think that Detroit is a better football team than the Green Bay Packers. Minnesota Vikings are sococo bears. I do not think they are a better football team than those teams. No. And so my concern is that a little bit like my golden Tate, argument will the touchdowns be there to the degree that carry on Ken sufficiently breakout one hundred percent. I have carry on down for eight rushing touchdowns. That's not that's not an an exorbitant number. I actually have his utilization. I didn't move him very far up from the two hundred sixty that he was that he was already on pace for last season. I think he's just so efficient, and while the Hyperion, there's hyper talented players, like David Johnson, though. Who win the offense did not do enough. You saw the swing and fantasy produced Rb ten though. Right. Yeah. And that's my point. I think this, this offense isn't going to be great. But I think it's going to be better than it was last season and fire to be half fire to be had. I what I forgot. Kerryon Johnson was just how fantastic the target volume was. You. You did see a very clear transition if you're just gonna do a box score hunt. Lou Gehrig blunt once week seven hit made three carries five six when he was averaging writer on double digit carries. And that's when kerryon Johnson really took over as the main guy and he was averaging five targets game as in. He's an ass lows of player passes, the eye test looking after you Stafford's always pass to the running back. Yes. Yes. So you'll Riddick has been one of the leaders in the last several years. If kerryon Johnson is on the field more, he'll have more Tarzi Zeo's until still hanging out though. Right. He is still hanging out. All right, Mike. You get to finish this up your fire pick for the air. My fire pick. We've talked about him a little bit. He's already got himself. One of them fancy trademark fantasy football nicknames. David Montgomery, aka David. Mapra. -tunities. Mm opportunity, knocking it. Absolutely is I want to just highlight a couple of things about David. K can't say Kenya just not every time. Exactly. He'll be mopping up the floor with defenses. He's in the perfect situation. Do do people realize last year? Jordan Howard had the sixth most attempts at the running back position two hundred and fifty people may not realize how high of a number he had because they got kind of burned by him for fantasy in Matt Nagy is trying his best to create the Kansas City Chiefs, where he maybe he was cutting his teeth there. He learned the Andy Reid system and David Montgomery has received some cops to Kareem hunt. You can look at a grand Barfield to has a methodology called yards created where it looks at these at these rookies coming in. He said, David Montgomery had the most tip most miss tackles per carry like he's a he's a decent. Player he can do everything that Matt Nagy wants him to do in. I was hearkening back to win Kareem hunt had his breakout year. And there was that low and everyone freaked out. What is going on with Kareem hunt? Once Matt Nagy took over the play calling. That's when Kareem hunt or some more volume than he had seen that entire season matinee. He's not afraid to use one guy. He wanted Jordan Howard to be that one guy in tree cone to be an auxiliary pass catcher here and there, but he wants a running back on the field who the defense has no idea what we're gonna do a Montgomery can work perfectly inside the passing game. I think the bears are going to be a fantastic team. They're going to be in very positive game scripts, more often than not, and David opportunity. I am very excited for for what he can do for fantasy per the bears. Showed their hand, you know that they've literally turned the cards rounded showed their hand when they drafted Montgomery because traded up for and. Because of how much they gave up to get him. It's not just means a third round pick you go. So what they had no picks to work with. They had so few picks because of the Mitchell Trubisky trade, and other other trades on the, the getting cockatiel the Khalil Mack trade. They just had no draft capital and the little draft capital. They had they said, I'm using all of it to move up, and make sure we get our guy. How does how does Mike Davis the signing in the off season and then Tariq Cohen's, you'd usage because when he runs the football. He's a four point four or carry guy. He's only probably you can only probably pencil them in for something like one hundred hundred one hundred twenty carries on the season, one hundred twenty would be the most he'd ever gotten. Well, yeah, he's a young player who's now, you know, sure, but you give a guy more carries because he earns them he had a chance lambing dares bowls. You've seen that. He said seasons where he doesn't get the ball, a ton on the ground. You had seasons where he gets it. A lot. Sure. I three Cohen, I still see him as a sub one hundred. Rushing attempt guy and for Mike Davis. It's the bears entered into the draft that they don't know what they're going to actually be able to, to do. I compare it very much to the raiders went out. They added Isaiah Crowell. They still took a first run running back now Montgomery was not a first rounder, of course. But these teams scoop up veteran players for low amounts of money because they're not one hundred percent shore. They're going to be able to get the player they want in the draft. So it's to me, even though it was very quick. It seems more like a backup plan. Now at this point to me. All right. That is it for ice and fire. Let's get into well Mike Williams teammate is featured on this next segment. That's right. Keenan Allen signed under armor, football Clete, a signed Keenan Allen Clete just sold for sixty five dollars yesterday on pristine, auction dot com doesn't get any I like I like that you're featured a few of these, like non jerseys. Brooke is there's hundreds of jerseys on their amazing. We got him on the walls, but it's cool that they have things like an atom theline pylon in a signed Clete because those were just look very unique helmets. You got images. 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Week 3 Matchups, BAKER MAYFIELD, In-or-Out

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Week 3 Matchups, BAKER MAYFIELD, In-or-Out

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I my simple question. Now it is questions for Jason Lunga. How much time did you spend last night attempting to pull your front teeth apart a little bit? Yes, I, I want to be big. Mike's already got that on lockdown. He's got the Baker. He's got the Baker front, two teeth. I just wanted to go. Did you go for gap last night? I went at for teeth black. That's what I like feet blackout little little marketer than I can just write little line right down the middle beard. You've got the beard. Yeah, football, you don't have. No, I can't throw like Baker, certainly not welcome in great show for you today. We have some news. We'll go in and out. Let you know what we think about the injuries that are cropping up, whether people will play. We'll talk about that Thursday night game, Baker, Mayfield and others, and we'll get into while the daily dose on the show. The rest of the fantasy forecast. My almost upset. It'll be fine. It's going to be a good day. I, I don't know where to go from here. Let's just jump into the Thursday night recap because there are massive fantasy football implication, massive. When you talk about the potential for Baker Mayfield to start here on out. It's like, you know, Mike, you made a world of warcraft joke two days ago much. To the to the enjoyment of about eight percent of our audience and we're strong. Here's the thing. Baker Mayfield represents one of those party buffs that group buff, you know where he powers, he powers up everybody else. I make one of the nerdy jokes. This show has ever seen where I just talk about playing world of warcraft and your. But now you're talking about actual engaging McCain, not from World War guy just in general, like any in game mechanic where your party increases in value? Carl pie Jarvis Landry Antonio, Calloway David joke. It's an ale. We, you know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. For sure. So what do I need to address Tyron. I do. I need to eulogize. I mean, you, you can. Like we gotta make sure that Hugh Jackson does the right thing. I, oh, he can't like I. I made a tweet halfway through the game about how if Baker somehow brings the team back in looks magical. Hugh Jackson will make him the backup because he's just an idiot. And then after the game, he was like, well, go, go, look at the film. We're not watching. I can't use the the words, the verbiage, the verbiage. I do think it's respectful when you've made a commitment to a starter like tyrod. To speak to him before you go to the media and say, baker's our guy. Sure. But to say, I gotta go watch. The tape is is is ridiculous. It's like a coach trying to do coachspeak like likely, read a book on it. That's you like, what would coachspeak be right now? Let me see. My, let me check my list. Did you also see him defending the the Phillies special that they ran bay pretty much saying no, no, no, I didn't. I didn't take that. We've been running that for years. Who cares? Man? It was great. It was. It was a great call. It worked. You don't have to pretend that you invented this play. We've seen it so nuts and bolts here. Tyrod. I thought he would have success because he doesn't make mistakes and they have a great defense. Denzel ward is legit. Myles Garrett is legit, Greg Williams. The amount of looks they showed Sam darnold yesterday made darnold looked like late round draft, pick looks rough. So. You know, I thought tyrod would be able to do enough. There's no excuse for the way he played to start that game. I would have you know you hope he's okay, obviously concussion and things like that. But we were all on Baker watch anyway. We thought I if he didn't score in the first half Baker, you'd see them in the second half. Anyway. Tyrod Taylor is going to have these slowest concussion protocol progression of all time. It's gonna be. We're still, I mean possible. That's the one way that Hugh Jackson can like. Have Baker be the starter and not go back on his word to tie needs to be have injured, be happy. You one, you don't. You don't win that game. The controversy and the debate and all that stuff becomes much more annoying in prominent. I mean, I don't know what happened between. I like the whole team played better with Baker tyrod was getting blitzed out of his mind. He was being and he wasn't making throws the middle of the field. Obviously, Baker did that and it was as the whole defense, but they weren't. The jets were not scared at all of what tyrod was bringing to the office. That's why they were able to defend him the way that they were absolutely correct. So looking forward with Baker Mayfield very likely behind center, I have almost no doubt that he'll be the quarterback to start week for ten days away. Looking forward, obviously seem Donald, came out, had a great performance in week, one teams of adjusted. What are your expectations for baker's a fantasy player, and you view him more as the AL we upgrade for Charles Landry and Calloway and company, then a star double fantasy asset in and of himself. Like, what is your perspective on the whole Browns offense? Yeah, I think. Everybody gets a bump up. Jarvis Landry becomes an absolute. You know, if he's not a wide receiver one and he's one of the best wide receiver twos out there. Everyone gets a bump and I believe Baker Mayfield. And I mean, he's not by any means. You know, he's a rookie. He's not just a, oh, go, you gotta start Baker because he looked great, but he is a guy in a good match up should be started. He's not someone I'm shying away from because he's a rookie he he did on the field. You're not. You're not blowing the number one waiver priority to grab a field? No, I'm going to ask that question. No, it's not a Pat Mahomes level fire, right? I would never blow that waiver for a quarterback. Sure. In this team is going to do what they can to protect bakers. Well, which is you saw this around the goal line. They're going to run the ball, and that's the way they're going to run the off. I was going to bring up Carlos Hyde. I pumped the brakes on Carlos Hyde this week because I wasn't expecting Baker mania to break out at halftime. And yeah. Hyde was getting. He had a couple of good runs for the first half, but the offense as a whole was really, really bad. And that was what I was so nervous about for Carlos Hyde. But now the you saw it, you saw the jets freak out. They had to actually defend the pass that made things a lot easier for Carlos Hyde who will continue to be. The guy has great for so it's this is great news for the Carlos Carlos Hyde. It was his birthday yesterday. His wife is in labor. He's about to have a child. He goes out there and drops two touchdowns. I had to feel good against my dynasty team. Yeah. On the other side of the ball, are you just are you ready to cut Robbie Anderson and say goodbye I already cut him. So yes, one hundred percent if he's still on your roster, I'm fine cutting him as I was last week and even after week one it be Anderson has a wall dedicated, Josh mccown. He's cut out every picture. He's pasted up on the wall. It's a little creepy. But yeah, I if if darnold were to go down to injury, I will rush to the waiver wire for Robbie Anderson. His talent is there, but this offense right now with a rookie Sam darnold is not built for his skill set. Quincy noon, woah is the clear. No, you know primary target, but even still, this is not a high powered offense that you really need to start the leader of the of the receiving core Germain curses back was second on the team in targets. It's another problem for IB Anderson. What do you make of the pal crow l. split sixteen carries for. Pro l. two touchdowns on thirty four yards. And then blah pal, looked electric fourteen for seventy three perennially underutilized. Blau pal. Now in a, you know, he's in a timeshare and darnold hasn't looked like he's going to keep people accountable through the air thus far this season. So the do you expect big things from these guys? Are you going to be a little frustrated knowing which one to start e you are going to be frustrated. It's if you have to make the choice between the two number one, I'm sorry for your loss that you have to make that decision every week. But it would be Powell on a weekly basis for me. Crowell is going to be touched down her bus. Now worked out. I had a lot of people slide into my mentions being man. I've been score well, that was the right call the the process of bench and Crowell against Cleveland, Browns offense. Thirty four yards on the road was the right call. Blau Powell looks like the much better running back, but they're just gonna. They're, they're going to destroy each other's. Fantasy value until we can get some actual check downs to Powell in that in the opportunity that Sam darnold had to bring the team back for a game winning score. He didn't look to check it down to his running back at all. He forced some things including that last throw, which was horrendous. Meanwhile blow Powell was wide open. So there's there's some growing pains that Sam darnold is gonna experience in how is affected by that. You know what stinks for brats. I'm I look Cleveland. I'm so excited for you like I am. I am thrilled. And right now I am a believer in your team. I think with Baker with Baker, you've got a good offense. And I know you've got a good defense. Hopefully they can overcome your head coach, which I believe sometimes they can. But what stinks is. They could like I believe that if they had made Baker there started they three and all right now they were so close in both of the week one week two, it's a shame and they would have been Owen three. I mean, they were down what they might have. You know if they had a different kicker to, I mean in tyrod defense like the cheek coat of tyrod Taylor panned out in the first two weeks, twenty eight fantasy points, twenty fantasy points. The problem was they Browns all over themselves for two straight weeks and they did manage the tie Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh, which was I think a that showed me that the Browns, we're going to compete this year as opposed to be outmatched this year. Their defense is good. There kick your situation? I don't know if it's fixed. That was right. Yeah. Yeah, it was in Cleveland. But last question about this for Jason Antonio Calloway. He only had four receptions for twenty yards, but that utilization of him breaking free, adjust or tyrod Taylor under through Calloway on for sure. Touchdown Callaway also dropped it a dime from baker's best passive the night. But I'm saying he's, he's getting used. I want he is extremely talented. I want him. There was another play where he broke free as well, but tyrod didn't see it so where what's your temperature on Kelly clayborn was holding them all night. Temperature is is certainly rising. Oh, for sure. I mean, you've got a guy now that can find him hit him whenever you've got the combination of a wide receiver that is getting open and and making plays, and then you've got a quarterback that will hit an open wide receiver. That's that's pretty good combination. And next week they're playing the raiders. I think that's a people were just people were just catching pass. His better for Baker, I mean, his throat or Landry not a great throat. Landry made a play historic joke who way behind him. In joking made a great play. They were just the energy on that team changed. Yeah. There was hope in the building and Jason eventually you get those teeth separated. Let's play in and out. Are you in. Marcus mariota. Aaron Rogers Rogers is in. I mean, he's he's just not gonna practice for probably have half of the year if not the entire year, but he will play Mario to. I don't have a good read on if Mario is gonna play it or not. Jason, do you? Yeah, the offense coordinator, Matt leflore said he's looking good in practice. If you know if he's looking good in practice, I think he plays and they need him to a reminder. This is our projection on who we think's gonna start and sit. If you want to be up to date to the minute. We have a game day alerts that we release on joined the foot dot com. Sunday morning, Mike is on his Sunday livestream on Sunday morning. But right now, this is where where we're at with these guys, dalvin cook with the hamstring didn't practice Thursday, interrupt I, I'm an out, I think, yeah, I lean out if I were the head coach and I'm playing buffalo. There's no way I'm risking Galvin cook. I mean, the the reports are that he's still going. Play. They're just resting them so you might be in and if he's end you play 'em pick-up latavius Murray, of course, yes. What I've been trying to do linear for net a hamstring injury in around in TJ elderly ankle injury in in JJ back injury. Darren sproles hamstring out out Leshan McCoy with the ribs out he he's getting unlimited practices, but firing re guard a non wearing a non contact jersey while he's at it. I lean out a, but I'm gonna Jason, I'm it will not shock me if shady suits up, but I don't wanna play him marshawn, Lynch, shoulder injury, limited Thursday, and in beat mode. Derrick Henry back injury, limited Thursday. I think he's in. Yep. Marlin MAC foot hamstring didn't practice Thursday or today. I'm going to say how I mean he's an he's an when he had a hamstring injury, gets back in the game and now is missing practice. That's that's no-brainer. Jordan Wilkins? Yes. Moving up Jordan welcomes Jordan Wilkins or Philip Lindsay. Great question asking for a friend. Of course, I'm looking for a friend based on the matchup not gonna take Wilkins against Philadelphia. Yeah, you've got Lindsay against Baltimore Yeldham on the road. I lean Wilkins all right, wide receiver in around the Andre Hopkins and we'll fuller and t. y. Hilton in Josh Gordon, no clue. I'm gonna say, how do you care? I know. I see. I care a lot. Why that's all. I mean, do you think it'll be like, does it matter to your fantasy team? No. Julio Jones is fine. Larry physio, we. Got beat reporters saying that Larry FitzGerald will go, Chris Godwin hit. I think he's in Yep. Markey's Goodwin. He's finally practicing in part. I think he'll play I do as well. If he plays, are you? Is he automatically into your lineup? I don't know if anybody is auto medically, but yes, would I put the emphasis on the wrong Salava for you? It was just funny house on Jeffrey shoulder injury out Ted Ginn in in Paul Richardson. Matter. So what is the way who gives Kobe's Louis? Oh, it was nobody spend those Basil's. So what Travis Benjamin doesn't matter? No tight ends. Evan Ingram. He will play head coach. Pat Shurmur says he's fun. Jack Doyle did not practice Thursday or Friday. That's troublesome. Yeah. I mean, I I haven't heard too too many details on this injury, but if you don't practice on a Friday, usually you don't play locked and loaded Eric Hebron in that situation? Yes, certainly, rob gronkowski ankle injury popped up. I watched since nothing. Yeah, I watched the in rapport talk about this. This is new record guys. It took till week three that we got an injury report for rob gronkowski. So he's doing well. He's going to put their healthy as j certainly playing. He's been dealing with this core injury since before week. One loss Esser tyrod gave me a Corey injury list. Oh, we tried. 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Slash footballers sixty and enter the code footballer sixty. It's like receiving six meals free. When you go to hellofresh dot com. Slash footballer sixty and enter code footballer sixty. Dan SE forecast. Kurt Warner as wanted to bring this up. Kurt Warner has Baker mania as well. He just tweeted out his watch the tape, the quick decision making anticipation of confidence. Throwing the ball last night was better than a lot of starting quarterbacks. Oh my gosh. The number one pick is supposed to be good. I have seen. I've seen. I'll see it. A lot of number one picks it don't look as as Baker. I'm just saying Kurt Warner. He has to be great. Now he doesn't. If you're the number one pick you do does. That's why you get picked number one. You gotta be great. Are we love Baker? Yes, acres. Amazing. Yes, but it's not. It shouldn't be like, oh my goodness. This is a surprise you. Could you drafted him number one in the NFL. Right? So you're admitting that Baker mayfield's great. Yet his head coach did not want to play him. Yeah. Like air Rogers, is he great? He was hedgerows, didn't wanna play them? I mean, you through it wasn't me a break. You give a guy a chance. He did look great and yeah, and it wasn't a look bad at times this year to it was different. And we've seen so many rookies come in and not look anywhere near near that the market says, what? Okay. Yeah, jamarcus is the standard all I'm saying. He's a great player. Yes. Why he went number one made great place. That's good. You want that to happen. Raiders sake on the doll. Fans own to raiders against the two zero dolphins dolphins minus three in this game. Forty three and a half point over under dolphins are no raiders looking for a win, Derek Carr, marshawn Lynch, and company where you feel in where are you feeling the love for this raiders often? I mean, Derek Carr had a very good game last week did not come away with the win. You know what? Oh, wait. Andy's almost upset of the week. Raiders getting off the snide in this one. I, I agree. I, I have the raiders winning this game. I think it's a good matchup for personnel. I mean, you look at the raiders they want to run the ball. They wanna go bee's mode, have marshawn Lynch, carry the load, and the dolphins have been weak against the run this year. They're, you know, in the bottom ten of fantasy points given up against running back last year. They were even worse than that. So you know, the trend is continuing. I think you can Bank on marshawn Lynch this week, even on the road. Marshawn, you're starting in Amari Cooper, they involved him. Jordy. Nelson does not seem like he's going to be anything this year. Yeah. So how are you feeling about Amari Cooper with through two games of the season? The dolphins defense has been stout against fantasy wide receivers. Again, gotta take into account who they have played, but Amari Cooper does his own vanishing act from time to time. He reappears. He's, he's it's a little bit like groundhog day where once or twice. I mean, I know grant hugged days only once but Cooper wants to season likes to pop his head up and say, I can do really good things on the football field. But then he goes away for the rest of the in the thing that he's done historically. I mean, this is this is two years of of doing this where when he has a big game, everyone chases it and starts him, and then he disappears. You bring up the the dolphins have been good against the wide receiver. This year. They were actually surprisingly good against the wide receiver. Last year in part of that is because of how bad they were against the run. I mean, a lot of times when you're when you've got a strength or a weakness that is more extreme, it falsely impacts other positions. If you can run on them, you don't need to throw the ball as much. So I'm I'm not digging Amari Cooper that much as we even coming off of the tin. Target ten reception game. I just don't wanna fall into the Cooper tramp. Why anybody who drafted him already fallen in the you fell in. I'm now you're, you're down in the pit and you've been trying to climb up those slippery walls and you. I just don't think that fantasy owners are in a very comfortable position with Amari Cooper, because if you took him, you know, you're, you're stuck with really tough decision every week. It's like, do you go in on them? Are you drafted him with semi high draft capital? I'm meeting him this week. You're playing them this week. And now let's ask the question about some specific players. I mean, are you playing him over? You're playing them over Corey Davis? Yes, phases Jacksonville, you playing them over Kennedy golladay against New England. Who would you rather play in them at you? I would probably put Cooper in. That's what I would do. And it would probably be the wrong. I mean, that's yeah. I feel. Look. I've got Cooper on, you know, my of dominant Owen to league of record team dominates dominating that that winless start. And you know off of a tin, target ten reception over one hundred yard performance you, you try to trade them. You try to capitalize because I, I want to wash my hands. I wanna get. I wanna get them clean Nelson Aguilar or Amari Cooper Alar against Indianapolis Aguilar. I would more. Oh yeah. It was just the guy that's really difficult for me to trust, and that's on me. He was, you know, I think he had a breakout last year and with Carson Wentz coming back with Al Sean, Jeffrey gone. If you can't trust them now, you know, can you trust you? You don't know. We're buying. Okay. So on the my nothing on the Miami side of the ball, the dolphins of the highest run to pass ratio in the league. Fifty-one percent run plays. The league average is thirty nine percents. So they are out ground and pound right now Kenyan Drake, Frank core. They're trying to take a little pressure off ten hill. What do you think about the Miami offense at home there too, and no love trade. Well, love Drake, love the Drake. Yep. The raiders are susceptible. What's happening, why he didn't get the Seinfeld reference. So he jumped into Drake, the singer. Yeah, Drake Drake has been. We use we, we saw we saw girly handle business. We saw Philip, Lindsey handle business against the raiders. So I'm all I'm all in on Kenyan. Drake this week. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't believe that Jon Gruden came out and said that finding a pass rushers difficult. Oh, Gruden. That's very love you. Hugh Jackson was. It's does. All right. The bills Owen to take on the one. Oh, and one Vikings. The Vikings are sixteen and a half point favorites in the over under is just forty points. Will the bills score in this match up in Minnesota? I do not think it will be shut shutout. I do not think they will get the double digit points over under six point. Six is the right the right point there. I'm gonna take under. All right. I'm gonna. I think I think Alan throw touchdown in this game. So I think ten points is about where you're expecting them is that is that when Minnesota puts the third string defense. Then it might be a theater yet thirty calendar get them in the end zone. There is not a buffalo Bill that I would start under any circumstances. Shady is in with his ribbon during what's going on this defense with the anemic offense. We've seen so far from the bills. There's a matchup where I'll play bills players. I would. I would throw Kelvin Benjamin out there definitely plays shady. It's not the Vikings who I believe to have the best defense in the league. I'm benching them all planned benching them all agreed. And by that I mean bench shady because everyone else has been cut. Prater. So on the Minnesota NFC rosters yes, from I mean, you posted a truce. I could be somebody that people are adding this week to try to to grab a running back star. Yeah, just in case leaper leagues. Sure. Yeah. On the Minnesota side of the ball, they're going to score points. Are you fine though with Kirk cousins in the past catchers? Because in them may seem like a silly question, but it's if the Vikings just can totally dominate this game with latavius Murray Dalvand cook. Do you have any concerns that the the passing game, Minnesota won't get it done? No, the the ceiling is not as high in this game, but there are going to be great. I mean, they're gonna come out. They're going to throw the ball. They're going to get a lead and in doing that, they will secure fantasy points for feeling for digs. It's just not going to be huge numbers. You want to hear ridiculous debt. Always, Michael. Thomas is twenty eight receptions two hundred and sixty nine yards and three touchdowns the bills as a team have twenty nine. Receptions, three hundred forty three yards. One touchdown buffalo. So Michael Thomas versus the bills. That's kind of a coin flip at this point, Thomas latavius Murray's the potential steel of this game. Yes. If Alvin cook is out and there grinding the clock out latavius could have a very, very good gathering even if Delvin cooked plays. Yes, let's save Murray's sneaky snort. I would rather start latavius Murray right now without knowing what's happening with cook. Then I would Chris ivory game, one hundred percent. I even if he had the backfield do himself. Look if if starts of the week, where today and not yesterday, knowing that dalvin missed another practice, I I would have made latavius Murray. My started the week to give people confidence if he's on your roster, he should be started because even if Delvin plays, why would you play him second half if you are up sixteen and a half points like Vegas, thanks win. Latavius Murray's can get the job done. Did you know that we make the rules on the show Jason. So even though starts the week was in fact yesterday urine actually Swiss who is start of the week yesterday, my started the visiting remember it was Lamar Miller k, do you? Are you making an official switch? Sure. Joel, let's take it to the judge. Ruling put is this allow Avis Murray. You sure you don't wanna wait safety practices today down cook before you make it official? No. Okay. Yeah. What's the time me? All right. That's fine. He's trying to protect me, but my point is even if dalvin cook is active in playing based on what he's already missed. I think latavius Murray's a fine start. All right. Let's move onto the colts eagles matchup both teams sit at one and one Carson Wentz returns eagles are six and a half point favorites. The games, a forty, seven and a half point over under these teams have the highest target shares for tight ends in the entire league now. Make sense, right. You got Zack primary pass catcher in Philadelphia, and then it seems as though the titans of providing a very safe place for Andrew luck in his return to the NFL and we talked about Jack Doyle didn't practice on Thursday, didn't practice on Friday. Eric Hebron looks like a very strong streaming tight end option. Jesse does a lot of upside in this game, especially if we expect it to play out as Vegas does, which is Philadelphia winning this game being in the lead, they need to throw the ball and outside of Hilton. There's not a lot of options in in Indianapolis. Yeah, I completely agree this. It could be like the the Dow cook situation where I, I still lean. I know that heirarchy run has the production. Touchdowns, but I lean that Jack Doyle is the tight in from the team. I'd rather have because he's getting on the field. Moore's has more snaps. He's running more routes more opportunity, but if Jack Doyle is banged up, maybe they may be Eric Brown, sees the snaps increase this week, regardless of if Jack Doyle is out. So Eric Hebron shaping up to be a very strong start. You brought up Jesse, James is your start of the week yesterday. Do you feel comfortable with Jesse James or Eric Hebron if he's in a solo role, Eric Brown? Yeah, by a lot. Yeah, me too. This is also a game where I expect, like you said Andy, the colts will be passing more and I don't think they're going to have success running the ball last year. The eagles were the second most difficult matchup for running backs this year. They've looked fantastic, no reason to believe that anything has changed for them there with Marlin MAC injured Jordan Wilkins and nine Hines, not being very talented. In my opinion. They're there. Not going to have success there. So I like to you, I e Braun and luck I I'm a high on all of them for this week, but I don't wanna start one of the running backs from the colts side of them. Let me ask you this. We are. We're still two games away. Are you giving any consideration in this is deeper leagues, of course, six bench. Plus, are you going to stash Bob turban. Because it's been such a, it's been a poop show right? Running back situation. The team likes Robert turban, the they've. They've showed us that well, if you have to use to bench lots for those biceps. Isn't that the requirement for turban takes two spots. Let this is legitimate question is, do you think Robert turban is an okay stash at this point? He's still has two more games on his suspension? No, yeah. I, I wouldn't wait two more if it wants. It's one next week after this weekend plays out, you'd let the waivers run through. So you're not burning a priority or any kind of fab would you throw Robert term and on the back of the Ben, if I am in need of running back help. And like you said, it's deeper league with deeper bench, then then? Yes, I know rather roster. Jordan Wilkinson Bob turban. Okay. Certainly Islamia both of them were on the waivers. I would grab Wilkins for sure. Even, I don't think we want to touch that whole backfield. That's a, that's a backfield that always lives on everybody's benches. Like all the players are distributed to all the fantasy owners benches some day. None of them ever start. It's like, one guy's got MAC, one guy's got somebody asked this, let me throw it out there. Keep trade cut right now. Sony, Michelle, Rex Virk, James white. That's so stupid. I, I think you have to keep Sony, Michelle trade James white and cut rexburg. Sorry, that was all the birkhead owners. I'm ju- they of, oh, I'm and I'm one of them and it's it's a really difficult question. I've, I don't think I've ever seen this level of sadness in your eyes because you're contemplating the question and it's genuinely making you say, because I'm trying to answer it, think about it honestly, and not just big, I got expert. I love him. Let's play Rex Burkhead. But I'm not to the point where I'm willing to cut Burkhead. No, it's nobody's playing key trade cut though. What are you doing? Who you gotta do hunting. I'm keeping Jake's whites. I don't blame you. Why? And who's got more value between Rex Burkhead Sony to trade? I don't wanna Sony right now. I don't wanna leave the matchup without talking about JJ situation j. giant. Darren, sproles both sideline of Friday's practice, not training the right direction, Corey Clemett. Oh, heels out? Yeah, one hundred percent. It was. It's so funny how things can change because a couple of weeks go after week one I Gordon, Corey Clement was was cut to me. He's doing his monster stomps. He wa- juca nobody in the backfield looked terrible and he he was really excited and he was barely utilized. But then when the two starters ahead of you go down that usually Johnny and he is a must start this week, I believe, isn't he? Your started the week me is I'm I'm super excited for for Corey this weekend. The one on one Packers take on the one one Redskins in Washington. Redskins are three point underdogs at home. Forty five and a half point over under air. Roger showed he can play with one leg again last week. This means good things for davonte Adams. But what does it mean for Randall combines run awhile. I would start Jimmy Graham over both those players by a lot. Jimmy had a very nice week last week, and you know this, the Packers should've won that game. The call on claim out these crash stiffly questionable great, great comeback by Minnesota. It feels like Minnesota won the game even though they time it feels that way. But looking at the Packers for fantasy, what do we expect from this game? And who do you feel confident in starting? I mean, the Redskins have been, you know, they've been a pretty good defenses here. Yeah, I mean, they they, they certainly looked good against Arizona. The question is, was that or was that air Zona. But they contained Andrew luck and the colts? Yeah, they did lose, but that was more on the offense. So yeah, I, the I, the name that sticks out to me is the one that you already brought up, which is Jimmy grim. Not only was he utilized last week, but this is a perfect match up for him. The Washington Redskins have been atrocious against tight ends. This is part of why going into week one. We were higher on Ricky seals Jones who had the opportunity and could have beaten them, but the Zona cardinals and more specifically Sam, Bradford in the offense of line where so horrifically bad that they couldn't move the ball at all that being said, you look last week, Eric Brown, got a touchdown, you know it. It's not like they were great against the tight end. So you can't really look at this year's numbers based on week. One week two. I'm looking more at last year's roster for how Washington played against titan. I think Jimmy grams primed for a big day in. In between. If we're talking secondary pass catches for the Packers. The one I would be interested in is Toronto. He's just he's reliable. He's consistent. He gets deeper targets than Randall Cobb, and we, we know he's, he's flashed we, he can hit the big play. Yeah, that's where I would go if I have to choose, and that's Jimmy, Graham is is certainly a good play this weekend. Now, what about for the Redskins? I mean, I, I've got Jordan. Rita's. My start of the week. I love Chris Thompson each and every week I've tried to trade for him in every league. I got him. I mean, every league I can because I think Thompson's role is the most consistent, secure the talent plus opportunity for Chris Thompson. I think he's going to be a top fifteen guy year until he gets hurt sure, which I'm not. I'm not gonna say is a foregone conclusion. I know he's been banged up before, but these dominant he is in. Yeah, you're in on Chris Thompson, the heave. He made me nervous man. So I, I. I have to admit, I have no shares of Chris Thompson, and I'm sad about it. I'm sad because the man Dumi yard sees averaging how many receiving yards he's averaging a week probably like eighty. I don't know. No, it's a, it's a great number. Oh, five fifty. Five bearing. Do we do? We have it. Is it ready? Sorry. We may or may not have had a complete in utterly catastrophic destruction of our soundboard this morning. Yeah, right before the show cannot confirm nor deny. No, but I will tell you that we may or may not have access to about seven total drops. I so don't say anything about certain players. That's all I'm saying. All right. Like Smedman Ness bumptious. Ooh, bumptious. All right, bumptious. Yeah, croissants is a great play. Adrian Peterson, he's got the backfield to himself. Do you feel like you can start in this week? I'd start him over Jamal Williams in the same game. I wouldn't. I. I would start him over to the point of a water bet with weight as small waves of the same Jamal Williams. Adrian Peterson, water bet I would do. I would do it as well. Waterbed I love him because that's kind of a roundabout way of betting on Aaron Jones against you, which is great. It's great, and that's what I want to be a part of. So anything else you wanna talk about in this one, you cannot trust any of the Washington pass catchers. Paul Richardson is is banged up. I am the eternal optimist on Josh Doksan who got seven targets this past week, so I'm not adding him, but I've gotten I on him. I wanna see what happens is your evolves chargers. One in one, taking on the two zero Rams the Rams right now they look pretty darn good. Minus seven is the line Rams are well, they're, they're playing great forty, eight point over under. What do you expect from this matchup? Do you think that the chargers have a chance of challenging the Rams in this game? I do. I think the line is is pretty high. Get it battle. Yeah, for Los Angeles charge. Gers there. The defense has not been what we had hoped for, but was some injuries, especially with Joey Bosa missing all the time. It it certainly makes sense. But Phil rivers and company. I think they can keep pace, slid it slightly behind the pace of the Rams. But I I think there's going to be a lot of points in this game. Still the must start rivers, Gordon ninety. Rivers is a much start lean, right? Not. No, he's not. He's not for me. No rivers is not a must start here. You know, over the course of the season, he will end up as a, you know, a quarterback one, but he has his match-ups where you know usually he'll be quarterback fifteen, sixteen eighteen and this is that type of matchup could could he need to keep up and have a good game? Absolutely. But could he really have a hard time against a great Los Angeles Rams defense? Certainly. So I think high floor, low ceiling, no low-floor high ceiling. And yeah, I'm pr-. Probably not starting Philip rivers. I'm a little bit scared of him, but Melvin Gordon and Keenan Allen. Our must starts of course, and I don't really want to touch another charger. Antonio gates only played eleven snaps last week. There's a chance. Tenure gates is just not even on the roster for the entirety of the season for those wondering. I mean, one hundred Henry is still eligible to return this year. There have been positive reports about his recovery, and so this was a game where have hunter, Henry is active. You'd be all about him because the Rams, if anything they've given up points for the tight end position because they don't give them up anywhere else. Like it's a matter of somewhere points have to come Jared Goff. He ranks third right now behind Fitzpatrick in Mahomes in yards per attempt. He's got a solid sixty five percent completion percentage. He's been hyper officiant now. They haven't had to put a game on his shoulders yet, but Brandin cooks is my start of the week. I love him in this matchup. Where else are you finding value? Girlies must start. Would you rather start golf or rivers in this game? Rivers. Yeah, I would still go with rivers, personally, temperature check on Austin, Ecuador. He's averaged one hundred twelve yards from scrimmage in the first two weeks as the backup to Melvin Gordon at this point. I think he should be rostered certainly, especially with, you know, Melvin Gordon missing practice here or there. This isn't the matchup I would wanna play him in though. Yeah. All right. The bears take on the cardinals in Arizona. The cardinals are five and a half point home underdogs and the fan base is weeping out here. Thirty eight point over under. I do think that cardinals can contain Mitch Trubisky in Arizona. This is going to be a low scoring affair. I don't think we're gonna see much life out of the Kartal offense against a very strong bears defensive front. So where is the fantasy value? I, I agree that the cardinals will can contain Mitch Trubisky because it doesn't take a lot to contain the his coaching staff really. Like a good team lasted bag, could do it, but the I strongly believe the bears will dominate this matchup Jordan Howard is going to eat. He is going to feast like he's he's stopping at the old country buffet and this man. If Adrian Peterson could do it against the cardinals, he will eat until he vomits in. That's that. That's where I see the points against comedy fantasy point, yes. If you've been if you've been let down by Jordan, Howard thus far for your fantasy teams, which it's you should not have. Yeah, I was trust me the temperature check on Jordan. Howard people are a little disappointed. You're going to be very, very happy man. After Jordan nagging came out, he said that he needed to get more carries to Jordan. Howard seems like all of an opportunity in this game. I don't think anybody expects it to be a barn burner real like he did infact train under Andy Reid. Has the victory and it's like Ryan, I should have got the ball. Jordan. Howard a lot more very reminiscent of Jamaal Charles David Johnson is someone everyone is concerned with right now. People we get a lot of start sit questions. Should I bench David Johnson? And I am a firm? No, you do not bench him not just because of the name or the talent. There was one telling thing that happened. I was listening to an interview with Sam, Bradford, which there's nobody. You know, you hear, coach, talking and coach head coach, Steve Wilks was saying we need to get David Johnson the slot more. Well, that's great. But you know, he's a defensive head coach. He's not the offense coordinator. He's not setting the formations, but to hear Sam. Bradford point blink be asked. Why was your match? Why have you performed so poorly? And his response was when he looked at the film on first and ten, he's trying to do too much and he's like, I just gotta hit David. I just got a check it down to David. Get some points, put us into second and and short. He said it like three times about how he just need. Did he say, get some points? Does he got David in his fantasy game? He just kept saying he needs to check the ball down to David Johnson, and that's exactly right. You need to use him in the passing game. Now, preferably I'd like some downfield not just check downs, but I think he'll be involved in. He'll have a bounceback game this week. Now, guys, I need to bring up trae boo, boo. We were big trae boo. Boo fans. Yeah, he did score last week. Save the week only four for twenty. We had the touchdown, some signs of life, target wise for Burton, but. What are your expectations this week for trae. Boo. Boo. I mean the cardinals does far through two weeks. They've given up a lot of points to the tight end position. Do we expect trae boo, boo to get it done this week. Jason. Yeah, I look. There's a lot of concern with most tight ends out there, but you have to stick with trae burden right now because when you look at targets, routes, run depth of route, run all of these other metrics that you know and you look at them for all tight ends. You go, Trey Burton is not in the worst situation here. I don't love his quarterback and I, you know, this isn't a despite the fact that Arizona's given up points to Jordan. We've got a touchdown week one last year. The defense was pretty good against tight in. So it's one of those situations where I'm reluctantly playing trae Burton, an Allen Robinson who he. I mean, he took a nice step this past week, launched himself up to fourteen targets eighty three yards, which so I mean ten for eighty three. It's a decent fantasy output for Ellen Robinson, but it's been a career, you know, fourteen yard, catch guy. So far with Mitch, it's down to ten a catch. That's the concern, but loot, you can't argue with the target. Twenty-one targets through two games. Yes. So I'm I'm still comfortable playing Ellen Robson even if he's not afraid of Patrick Peterson, he's gonna see Peterson, but I think the target volume will be there. I think you can also start both defenses in this match for fantasy Arizona at home against Mitch Trubisky. You can get them off of the waivers and they'll be probably turn them over a couple of times. They'll they'll sack him a couple times. Turn the ball over a couple times. I expect this to be very low scoring game three, nothing. The Cowboys won take on the Seahawks up in Seattle, and they're only one and a half point favorites. That's crazy at home. It's not crazy. It's nuts. Forty stink. Forty one point, forty one and a half point over under dal- Dallas with Dakyns Zeke and nothing else right now for fantasy. I mean, are you starting anybody outside? Are you even starting debt? Probably not. No. I'm not starting back on the road. Always Zeke and no one else that is that's accurate. Let's say someone forced you buy torture to to roster another cowboy. It would be who. Or would you just you're just it would be just and then just take my consequence. He'll take your consequently true O'Brien. Yeah, I think it'd be look deonte Thompson, look more involved in anyone last. Yeah, who would be honestly. I look the reason I think that the line is perfectly fine is because the blueprint is there for how to beat the Seattle Seahawks and you eat. There's a mere match thing happening for me in this in this particular match up last week, we saw the Dallas Cowboys, put a ferocious pass, rush onto Eli manning and the New York Giants in his terrible offensive line. We saw the Chicago Bears do the same exact thing to Seattle. That's why I think the line is not bad. I believe that Russell Wilson is going to be under duress for the vast majority of this game. Just like he was this past week, Dallas Dallas upfront on their defense has enough talent to get it done. I actually don't feel like this game's going to be much different than the car don't game. Yeah. The bear cardinal game. I asked about Bob. Yeah. Oh, Baldwin is here. This is a completely different circumstance, but the the running backs aren't going to get anything going. This stinks to be talking about this game because I don't want to play anybody Zeke. That's it. That's the only player in this match. I really want to. I am one hundred percent fine playing Russell Wilson. I think it's been overblown. What happened in Chicago? He is always a consistent fantasy producer and if he's got run, that's good for fantasy. He'll get scores. He's at home, I'm fine with Russell. What about being content you going back, you going back onto, oh, throw movie, you're not it is. You're not. It is big Montana, garbage time, touchdown, saved everything last week. I believe he's the first like rookie tied in with scores. And we're talking about, we'll Disney. Yeah, we'll Disney big Montana. The Moose's loose. I mean, do you just other flame either moose flames here? I mean, I'm where I'm wearing a peak moves shirt. Is he a pink moose? No. What is he? What is he? That is the greatest will heal daily. What is here's what we'll Disney is. That's who he is. Will dizzily is a placeholder Fred Dixon. That's what I believe. He's a necessary piece in an offense that needs pieces right now. He'll have a few catches he'll have yards. Honestly, I believe you can start him over some other bad options. If you wanted to say, who has a better chance at fifty yards Trey Burton, or we'll Disney, it's, I would go burn, but it's a conversation that is worthy to be had not won. We expected before the year. Now if you ask, who is wheeled is leader Russell Wilson, his quote yesterday, he's a baller, oh, shock collar. He said he can make a lot of plays. He reliance review reminds me of young. Paul says he reminds me of a young Jason Witten how he sees the game, runs route catches the ball. Every time you throw him the ball and look. I think he is. He's the next best start on Seattle other than lock it. Okay. Wilson lock it Disney. I struggled to argue get Sunday night football in Detroit. The Owen to lions, Matt, Patricia has to face his well. His former head coach and Bill Belichick, patriots go to Detroit trying to set. Set them on a Owen three path. The NFL. When when coaches have to come back and face Bill Belichick doesn't work out things generally don't work out for that team. I remember who who am I thinking of the coached the jets coach. No, no, I'm thinking of their offensive coordinator right now. Okay. Oh, wow. McDaniel yes. Code Denver, Denver, he won that game, but it was the big deal. Yeah. Here. Here's what I want to talk about in this by the white man, genie every single season since two thousand thirteen and Owen two teams made the playoffs. However your chances of making the play? Yeah, the one the chances making the playoffs are twelve percent when you are at Owen to the lions, what are their odds going to win three, very high. You know, ninety percentile range. I think that the patriots with the head coach situation for the lions, even though the lions are at home, I think the patriots have to get this win at one and one and they'll do it. So let's let's try to work through the patriots running back situation there heavily favored a, which we James white. His role is it's secured, but it also gets elevated when the patriots are trying to catch up as we saw against checks. If it was all James white. I'm not expecting that. I don't think any of us are expecting that. So are you playing James White's? Let's start there. Your PR with James white is always implied. Whenever we mentioned this guy's name, we are talking about PPO. Yeah, I think you can start him. He's going to have enough. They don't need to play catch up in this game muster, but it doesn't come on mine. It doesn't matter. I was looking for the rim shop, but we don't. We don't have the drop. He will get enough utilization just in the standard offense in a full p p r league to be Affleck's play. The running back that I think clearly has the highest upside here is Sony, Michelle, if they are winning the game, if they are handling their business easily. This is the perfect opportunity to see what they have in their first round, pick to try to take up clock too. I think near the goal line, see what you have against the lions in Sony Michelle. So he's the guy in this game. I'm going to be watching the closest from the patriots. All right, Chris, HOGAN. We are in agreement that we like him to bounce back. I love Chris, HOGAN in this match. So what about Philip door set? Who's I don't? I don't love Chris, HOGAN? Okay. No, I know. I know we talked about this earlier. Yeah, Mike said, we agree I was to talking about you and J's. Yes, that is correct. Andy does not like Krystal like four catches on the season. Free freaks me out man. Yeah, I don't blame you that if reeks be out as well, like I'd play Amari Cooper over Chris HOGAN. That's a fair point. Yeah. Yeah, don't mind that, but but Philip doors set and this is in the context that Josh Gordon is inactive. He seen seven targets in both of the of the games. This season hard pass seven for sixty six, five for forty four. Now. Okay. No, I completely agree. Hard pass who gets theory sleigh in this game. Probably HOGAN. Yeah, it's sleigh. Okay. Sleigh. Okay. Yeah, look, you're starting gronk. Yeah. You're you're locked and loaded on the other side of the ball. Detroit probably playing catch-up. Hi, over under kerryon. Johnson THEO. Riddick by the way dairy slate is. He's still he's still dealing with the concussions that'll make an impact. He's trending out right now. Golden Tate. Thirteen targets in both weeks. Twenty eight on the year, been a monster, and that's third most in the league, that's kind of guaranteed production, Marvin Jones, Kinney golladay. I think I mean, Matt Stanford's probably a good play in this game out home coming back. I mean, a garbage time, his way to to to fantasy victory. Absolutely. He'll throw too early picks and then have three late touchdowns and you'll be just fine starting most all of the pass catching options. I think unfortunately, feel Riddick is a fine play in PR. I'd probably you know. You feel Riddick is pretty much identical to me as James white in this matchup. One will be coming back from a deficit. One will be creating the deficit, but. Is this the week, Jason call the shot. I will call the shot and okay. I don't believe this is the week. Now he's getting more and more utilization. You just look at his carries his yards. His receptions has targets the first two weeks they've increased. I think they'll increase to the point where if you need to flex him, I'm actually flexing him this week in our listener league. I think you can, but I don't expect a huge game from him here. He's just, you know, a running back. I'm hoping he's a Bank in running back to it is acre Mayfield as the starter and then carried kerryon Johnson becomes a starter is your life. Just I have completed. This we gotta move on the Steelers the box, Monday night football, we get to watch, fits madrick, fits magic on on the primetime screen. I'm very excited for this game. It's gonna be a lot of fun because the Steelers defense is atrocious right now and look. They Mike it Hayden back at corner, but that doesn't really matter in the past few years. And the bucks defense has been trashed as well. So this could be a barn burner fifty four point over under the bucks one and a half point dogs at home. Despite the strong start, I think people are expecting Antonio Brown to, you know, get the grease so to speak dis that impact your view of juju at all or is he just wheels up for those two? Those two are full force a head. They're going to have a great game. I mean, there's, I don't think that there's a player on either side of the ball that is a normal consideration for starting that I don't want to start the own. Only guy that I'm questioning and I know he's your started. We Jane Jesse, James. I question. I might not start him there, but obviously tight ends or just trash. You're firing up Antonio. You're firing up juju. You're firing up James. Connor, you're firing up Ben Rothlisberger on that side of the ball. I'm happy with Fitzpatrick. I don't want anything to do with the running game, or I if you can even talk about that, I don't think they have one in Tampa. Is this if they don't, if Ronald Jones is right now sitting on your waiver wire, get him, should you add him? This would be the week because I think he'll be active this week if he's if he's not active after basically not having a running game in I, I guess I could happen your to in, oh. You know it's working if it ain't broke, but you know, if you need running back help and your team has a burner spot than Ronald Jones is, is worth at least looking to pick up. But I'm, he's a great like Sunday morning ad. And then if nothing happens if he's inactive or doesn't do anything, you just drop them for your waiver wire. If you plan an IRA league almost every week, you've got someone that's ruled out. You know, Doug Baldwin will be ruled out and Sunday morning, a move them to I are and I always pick up and this is a, this is a tip for everybody. Don't don't waste your time picking up a wide receiver off the waiver wire in that situation because their situation can't drastically change. Pick up a chase Edman. I dunno. I picked up Calloway last week kick up pickup chase, Edmunds pickup. Ronald Jones. Somebody who is a backup that an injury, head of them could just change everything. Yeah, it could save you a lot of fab and give you that steel on Sunday morning on the other side, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Yep. Good. All three by doubts. Evans. Jackson Godwin. Yup. And then OJ. Howard, how do you feel about him? I mean, camera braid is an afterthought. He's a, he's. He's bottom of the waiver wire right now. So OJ Howard though, with the explosive play capability in the the weaknesses at tied in throughout the fantasy landscape. He's kind of like he's a player. I want to start, but I know the realities of limited total touches and it just like we've taught by capture it. I hope I can catch. Yeah, we've talked about a lot of these garbage tight ends today that are just like, I don't really wanna start start. We'll diz Lee, you know, do what do you do? I'm starting OJ Howard over all of those people because there's murkiness to all the situations. So why not take the most talented human, right? He was drafted in the first round as one of the best prospects in a decade at the position. Now he's the guy that's kinda taking over the role over Cameron break. Yes, Ryan Fitzpatrick is not usually known for throwing the tight end, but OJ Howard can overcome the lack of targets in that situation. Make beast touchdown. Grab make an eighty yard run down the sideline. I you know. So I'll take my shot over Hebron if Jack toils out. No. Okay. If Jack Doyle's in yes, I would. I would start a him over Jack Doyle. He's a fringe tied in one right now to me man house. Well, Howard. So. Not a lot of titans offer you eighty are touchdowns. Nope, it's just one of those things that it's kind of nice to have it in your repertoire. All right, let's move on. Let's. Let's get into the dose. The daily dose brought to you by draft. Every Friday we do a daily dose gets ready for that. DFS played this weekend or reminder. Mike's DFS podcast. The fantasy football podcast with Chris Meany been Cummins and Mike, it's live. It's day it'll get you ready. It's a little little nice preparation time. Absolutely. So today on draft, we're doing something special where we are going to go with a five quarterback match up. This is so no longer will we be playing running backs who needs them wide receivers, get out my face tightens, even though I rode you victory last week for the second week in a row. Yeah, Jason's on a hot streak. I've got the second pick and he's got I, that sucks because there's too clear cut quarterbacks to grab this week and I don't get either of them because I'm on the turn, Pat Mahomes the is mine. Number one, pick this week, stayed in the flames. We talked yesterday. Look, there's. This is first home game. Yep, I opportunistic in that game's going to be the game's going to be interesting and I'm gonna take just reliable golden boy, really? Yep. Tom Brady against its reut. I think it's, I think he's going to have a very fine day. Yeah, it makes sense. I look, I'm just going, I I'm at the, you know, the the third. So I get to picks in a row and I'm gonna take huge upside guys, Aaron Rodgers Cam Newton. I mean, look, the either one can always win you a week and I'll need them against your guys. I'm taking the biggest upside. The guy who's been the best fantasy quarterback in the history of starting fantasy football season's my beard bearded brethren, uptaking Ryan, Fitzpatrick, let's go. I don't blame you. I'm taking. I got back to back picks. I'm gonna go Big Ben. I think it's a monster week for Big Ben. And then to Shawn Watson, my started the week gotta draft him here in the daily dose. If I have that kind of confidence with him. Against the giants. And I'm gonna take drew Brees on the way back over under of the Atlanta New Orleans game is ridiculous. I know they hit the under as we highlighted earlier in our match breaking it down. But yeah, I'm going for it. It makes me really sad because I was I was really hoping drew Brees got there. I will take my start of the week in that same matchup against him, Matt Ryan, and then look, I know that Kirk cousins ceiling is capped a little bit in buffalo. But if at the end of the first quarter he has three passing touchdowns I don't think anyone's going to be surprised. So that's my two-pack. I'm getting a little crazy here with this middle. Pam surprise. You didn't take your shot of the week. He left him to me. Yeah, I just I'm going for it with Carson Wentz on in his first game back. Let's see what he can do. I'm gonna take Jimmy g. Jimmy Garoppolo in that shootout in Kansas City and they're to, I'm going to do a little baseline protect here. Jared Goff to wrap up my starting five. Homes rothlisburger Watson, Garoppolo gusts I do not mind that in right here. Oh, man. This is this is a really tough call and I'm, I'm struggling on who I wanna go with because I'm not taking Russell Wilson. On's going to grab Andrew luck. Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't go. Matthew Stafford, he's guy. It was locked in Stafford, but that being said, I already knew who I was going to take because I knew you don't want Russell IBM and Russell. I'm gonna take him my team. You know, it's one of those where the match ups aren't the best, but with Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, Kirk cousins, Matt Ryan, and Russell Wilson. I am very confident that I will win for the third time in a row share, and there's nothing safe about my team at all. Tom Brady Ryan Fitzpatrick drew Brees Carson Wentz Andrew luck. All right. Well, this'll be fine. It's fun to draft all quarterbacks. Yeah, you know, we talk them down so much in the draft season. It's fun to draft them and actually have something on the line. This week's. Yeah, so, hey, everybody, good luck this weekend. Win your match. Play with us over at draft dot com slash Bolers and Michael be live on everywhere on Sunday morning. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast, join our fantasy football community on join the foot dot com and follow us on Twitter at the f. ballers.

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BTSC Radio Wire: Bryan Anthony Davis talks the latest surrounding Steelers vs. Ravens on CBS Talk Radio

Behind the Steel Curtain

10:27 min | 8 months ago

BTSC Radio Wire: Bryan Anthony Davis talks the latest surrounding Steelers vs. Ravens on CBS Talk Radio

"From labra doodles to grow nuts the world of hybrid so today businesses are taking a smarter hybrid cloud approach using the tools platform and expertise of ibm. The world is going hybrid with ibm visit. Ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud. I would like to rock on. Brian davis with behind this steel curtain. We're gonna talk. Pittsburgh steeler football. Good heavy brian. Thank me. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much and we are gonna talk. It seems like a long time ago. We're gonna talk about the steelers game with jacksonville. Last sunday won handily by the steelers. Twenty seven to three. And then we'll talk about this. We s- game tentatively scheduled for tuesday night so go to jackie gordy when the went down divall county. People were thinking that the steelers should just completely rock them out of the building. That's not how it has ever been with the pittsburgh steelers especially when it the jacksonville. Jaguars involved for back. The jaguars lead going in thirteen to eleven. This entire series They always play pittsburgh tough. So you knew it was going to be a tough game and right off the bat you knew that they were trying shock the world. They scored a field goal right away and right after that. The jaguars went for surprise. Onside kicks now. Marcus allen recovered it. It did not work. But it meant it's six signifies the fact that jacksonville was going to pull out all the stops. Try to win this game. Fact of the matter is that they have it. A lot of people were disappointed that the killer is only one by twenty four points that gave them twenty seven to three. but that's not just pointing whatsoever. You don't need style points. Mike tomlin talked about all the time that that's not what this game is played for. This game was played a win. Then rob was further tame out and said i'm disappointed in my performance of women so the offense and they still won by twenty four point. The bottom line to the whole thing is been also said. We're not going for sixteen and now we're going for super bowl championship. So that means nine can though is what this team is playing four and that would be absolutely incredible his team to go ahead and pull that off. It was going to be tough sledding. But this team really showed up against jacksonville defense especially carried when the offense was at first then. The offense did put it together. Ben had a nice day review on johnson chase claypool. They've been well. You had some flashes of brilliant. From schuster and eric hebron as well the running game behind james conner got a little bit better and still not where they want it to be with. This was still a complete game win. And when you look at the defense the ball. They had sex galore. Pj water was involved in the action. But you also had some great action from padilla. Terrell edmonds yet two interceptions from terrell so fifteen crews and they were getting ready to go play on a short-lived week. I get lee ravens. Now if you're a long week already. And we will talk about this upcoming game. As i said tentatively because of the covid against the ravens tuesday night go. Yeah so the ravens kicked it all off last week with having a few players test positive then. The game was moved on wednesday on thursday night. What would have been right before the start of the game. We found out that. Lamar jackson tested positive. Then this game was indeed moved to sunday and now to the now coming up on saturday you saw that. She's me on friday. Sold three pittsburgh steelers tested positive for covid that was like the pug gerald talking and stuff onto and seven fact. She's having a magnificent so you can so far which the steelers out bracing for the possibility of more positive tests so while everything possibly starting subside with the ravens it might just be starting with the pittsburgh steelers remember. This is a world pandemic the. Us is getting hit really hard with it. It happens in way it hit baltimore. I and now you're seeing it. Start to possibly happen in pittsburgh kim. This game be played on tuesday possibly will be. We don't know that who we won't know until they kick the ball off on tuesday gordon. Certainly everyone was concerned on the ravens behalf they may be depleted we know that robert griffin the third is there. Qb certainly it sounds like pittsburgh could be depleted. Also yes they can. I mean they just walk the two guys on the defensive line they lost a very important Backup offensive lineman comes in as their tight end. Eligible gerald hawkins on many plays That's what he does. So you'll hear number. Sixty five is eligible a lot like we heard number seventy two being eligible last year. When zach banner played admiral so these guys are very important you know with contact tracing it becomes a dangerous proposition because you would think and all saw the ravens. It's hit the offense of wine. Hits the running back room. You know that could possibly happen with the steelers as well in if that happened along the offensive line. Then gus edwards has a lot of room to run Where it looked like running backs would be a liability if the game is played. So you know there are so many factors where a lot of people thought. Pittsburgh was definitely going to have the advantage. Now they don't because if more cases come in they could beat the pleated as well. We're going to wait and watch because certainly you can express your opinion. You did a job doing that. Initially and that was certainly. It's now affecting pittsburgh we possibly will certainly have other teams affected also. Yeah i mean it's We've heard from cases in cleveland not a lot but one or two here and there Elsewhere in the league. So i mean it's starting to rear its head and i have a feeling that most teams in the national football league are going to be affected in the next month. Which means don't expect the playoffs to start on time. Don't expect there to be the game that you are planning for two days in advance. Don't expect always be being played so you're going to be on a swivel coming up for whatever. Nfl you root for and it's going to be a situation where we just don't know until this is completely nipped in the bud and Have might take a while. Let's look briefly. Some key games being played today and that will be kansas city at tim. Mcveigh what do you think. Fantastic ballgame look tampa. Bay has had a rough time. The last couple of weeks they lost it overtime. Last week to the los angeles rams. Tom brady threw an interception. But just when you think that this team is dead. Tom brady will revive himself. And this is good. News for steeler fan. You know. it's tough for fans to root for tom. Brady or antonio brown and now you're going to have to this weekend. You really need that. Kansas city to lose. And you really need to help you out so Put on your computer and burgundy or whatever colored reddin pewter of whatever it is they where and root for that team but this is going to be a great game. You're gonna see a lot of offense in this game but the one thing that might be a problem for kansas city is tampa. Bay has a very tough defense. in fact it's very hard to run on them. They are number one against the run in the league. Tampa bay went up against a tough los angeles rams defense week and they're very good against the run and that completely shut them down so when you have a good team against the run that could really hinder your chances so came to city might suffer a loss in this one with padma homes. We saw it last week. And gets the las vegas raiders. Even if he has forty five seconds on the clock he has a chance of it up for win the game. And that's exactly what he can do. He is right now. The most magical quarterback in the nfl tennessee. Andy another great game. You know another great defense against the good running team. So the colts have a very good defense. But derrick henry runs the ball very well and you saw what happened last week against another very good running defense in the baltimore ravens. When king henry got going hughes really tough to stop. I have a hard time calling this game. But i gotta tell you. The winner of this game is probably probably going to win that division but the loser of this game is still going to be a top wildcard sunday night. Chicago bears green bay packers. This is the season essentially for the bears. Yeah i gotta tell you. The bare started off. What four and one five and one they were really hot and then they just really started to call out as we got deeper and deeper into fall. I gotta tell you the anytime. These teams play. They've been playing each other over one hundred. It is going to be a black and blue game a lot like when you see the steelers. Play the ravens. That's exactly what you get with their packer. The packers still have lots of true with that big loss to indianapolis Not too long ago and you gotta a that. The packers are really going to try to clinch the division. And knock out the bear in the game but the bears are not going to go down. Easy gordon chicago growing trubisky. Yeah that's You know the nick foles experiences now over We've seen nick foles coming in the pack as one of the best backups in league history from when he's a starter he's not the magic that That he is the backup. Brian davis thank you so much for joining me have a good rest of the day. Thank you so much gordy. I appreciate it my friend.

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Evan's 2019 TE Tiers

Fantasy Feast: 'Eatin

41:32 min | 2 years ago

Evan's 2019 TE Tiers

"It's time to eight in my ballet. Sit Down and get ready to consume an abundance of fantasy football knowledge from Russ Tucker and Evans Silva me so hungry fantasy feast podcast yea. Let's eat baby. It is the fantasy feast eating podcast presented of course by bed online dot A._G.. Your online sportsbook experts just use that Promo Code podcast one. He is Evan Silva. This is tiers of Evan. You have come to the right place. Check him out on twitter at Evan Silva or at his new venture establish the run DOT COM mm-hmm evident the boys are killing it over there which is very very cool. You guys are killing it by the way in terms of trying to get into the fancy feast Louis now I gotTa tell you I was not overly impressed with the entries this week so for the second week in a row. I'm only inducting. Is that even the right word. I don't know I'm only allowing in one additional entry that is Tim Driscoll role who sent me screen shots of him rating and reviewing not only the fantasy feast podcast but the even money sports betting contest podcast with Steve Fezzet which by the way today we we're doing our season win. Totals are pre preseason win totals which you should check out be Ross Tucker football podcast of course this the fancy feast the college draft podcast where men Russ Landy the former N._F._l.. N._F._L. X._F._l.. CFL Scout had some really interesting players. He's excited about in college football to keep an eye on some skill guys for you fantasy dudes and then of course Angie's brands business of sports podcasts so tim congratulations adulation you are in so Scott Sheriffs in slapping me giesen Justin Christopher's in Steve knows in Scotty Boyden Tim Driscoll's inside his six guys in and at least six more spots we usually do a sixteen team or at least six more spots still to go take advantage of any of the sponsors over at Ross Tucker Dot Com. They're all awesome or just buys them an Amazon through the landing page on the homepage at Ross tekere dot com or get creative. It's up to you. I'M GONNA get Evans tied in tears right now. I never know how much the singer not people. Some people like some people don't aw if zillow established the run dot Com am I see holding out following turn to picks the burn to to go wrong yes second week in a row Evan. We are diving into your oft imitated never never duplicated tears. Last week was quarterback today. It's tight ends. I think this is the second week in a row oven that your tier one consists of exactly two dudes and for tight ends its Travis Kelsey tight in one George kittle tight end to yes. Yes and Travis Kelsey took a small hit in my top one. I'm fifty which you can read it established dot COM <hes> when tyreek Hill avoided suspension entirely now we had talked in the last several shows about how it was beginning to look like tyreek hill was I was going to face a suspension of zero four games as opposed to six to eight on which I initially anticipated throughout most of the spring but then we got official word that tyreek Hill is GonNa face zero games <hes> worth the suspension so now Travis Kelsey just moved tick down a little bit. He still is my number. One overall fantasy tied in in an offense quarterback by Patrick Patrick Mahomes the defense. I think you're still going to be problematic in Kansas City last year. Travis Kelsey led all N._F._l.. Tight ends in yards gains on twenty plus yard targets yards gained on slot routes. He was checking among all tight tight ends in raw targets catches yards and touchdowns. You know I think the defense in Kansas City is still going to be problematic and they're going to have to throw the heck out of the ball this year. A CER- Travis Kelsey not not quite off a first round pick that he was looking like he's going to be in a regular season long leagues <hes> more of a an early to middle second round pick. I think but still the clear tight end one now if you're in a tight and premium league like an F. F. P. C.. I think that you're looking at the first five the group of elite running backs and then I think Travis Kelsey is worth taking the one point six so we'll talk about the elite running backs next week but Travis Kelsey tight in one tight end to and I have them closer than I initially did is George kiddle Jimmy Garoppolo coming back George led all N._F._l.. Tight ends in yards per route run by a big big margin last year and that has been one of pro football focuses most predicted metrics year-over-year said N._F._l.. Record for among tight ends in receiving yards and yards after the catch and they're still just a complete lack of clarity as to how the wide receiver pecking order is GonNa shake out in San Francisco George kittle benefits from that last year cow chaining cannot really run the offense that he wanted to run because of show many injuries offensively but this year. I think that he's going to be able to in when he did run office that he wanted to run in two thousand seventeen. They were the forty niners. There's were number six in the N._F._l.. In a number of plays run and number two in pass attempts. I think they're going to be a shootout team. Their secondary is a problem didn't address at all after it was one of the worst secondary's Kandara in the league last year and George Kills GonNa say from that. All the guys in the offense are going to benefit from that. I think Jimmy Garoppolo also is a value pick as we talked about last week so tier two you've got got Zach hurts alone by himself. which is interesting anytime? There's a tear that just one guy I always find that intriguing why why is Zack in Aotearoa himself yeah because I think that Travis Kelsey in George kittle should both be top twenty five picks or at least very very close to that range and Zach irs have closer to number forty so there is a fairly significant drop off and this is what tears are all about. There's a fairly significant drop off. I think from Chelsea and kiddle to Zakar it's now soccer is coming off in awesome season also had so so much go right for him. He said his career high in targets by forty four and he said his career high in catches by thirty eight and over the last two seasons got eight touchdowns in both seasons. That's a lot of touchdowns you know he's like George only had five last year. He's got positive regression coming. I think Zakar might have some negative regression coming and Zach Erz also benefited like last year Alshon Jeffery missed the first few games ZAKAR had double digit targets in all of those games that Alshon Jeffery missed you know and then this year they added so much offensive firepower like the ball is going to go to other guys more this season Mile Sanders vendors Jordan Howard J._R. Sega whiteside Alshon back healthy to Sean Jackson you know and I think that they're not going to throw the ball as much as they did. Last year. They lost like everyone on defense last season and I think they're pass. Attempts are going to go down. They had about forty more pass attempts last year than they did to hear prior and I think that they're going to be more like the team. The year prior which by the way is a super bowl caliber team <hes> so I think Zakar you you know. Obviously I think the eagles you're going to be really really good but I think that's not necessarily gonNA benefit benefit Zakar. I think he's GonNa get hurt a little bit by that. Well on the one point I would mention there to just following the eagles since I'm doing their <hes> tell preseason telecasts this year Dallas God had unbelievable spring. I mean almost everybody you talked to some of the beat writers Philly they pulled players to say like who had the best spring and I think Dallas got her got like the most votes and so I would expect that they're going to be more in twelve personnel and try to get got more involved even more and like you said there's only so many catches to. To go around and if God hurts get more you gotta think hurts will be getting less. Let's go to tier three. You've got O._J.. Howard then Evan Ingram then hunter Henry then Vance McDonald then jared cook then David and Joko yes? This is a big tear in. I've thought about breaking up this year into two two years O._J.. Howard Evan Ingram Hunter Henry would be in their own here because there is a little bit of a drop off? It's not a big drop off but there is a pretty big you know a noticeable drop-off between those three and then Vance McDonald algiere Cook David Joko <hes> so I may do that at at some point. I've considered doing that but right now. I have these guys as like fifth through ninth round picks kind of scattered throughout that Range O._J.. Howard has been just an absolute beast from inefficiency standpoint averaging six point six yards per carry over the last yards per carry yards per reception over the last two seasons <hes> he has averaged eleven over eleven yards per target in each of his first two seasons Travis kelce neither Travis Kelsey nores Akers has ever gotten over ten yards our target O._J.? Howard's over eleven in both of this I two seasons Rob Gronkowski got to eleven yards for target once in his nine year career out of humphries into Sean Jackson left the offense I just is I think they're going to score points in Tampa Bay this year? I think they're gonNA throw the ball lot in O._J.. Howard is like one of the most obvious breakout candidates on the board this season Evan Ingram in fifteen career games without Odell Beckham Evan anger has seventy six catches for nine hundred forty five yards and six touchdowns on one hundred twenty five targets that would have made him the tight end five overall last year? Evan Ingram finally got healthy down the stretch last season <music> averaged seventy seven point two yards per game over the giants last five. I think he absolutely can be the giants number. You know <hes> de facto number one receiver this year. I think he can take a big third year. Leap Hunter Henry very much looked poised for a breakout season last year until he told his A._C._l.. I think it was on the First Day of O._T._A.'s last May and but he's ready to go remember number. He made a kind of like a cameo appearance in the playoff loss to the patriots played <hes> like about fifteen snaps in that game show you know didn't really do much but I like the fact that he just got medically cleared for that and we've heard no problems regarding regarding his <hes> his you know any lingering effects from his injury so far. This guy was number two among all N._F._l.. Tight ends in yards per route run in two thousand seventeen also in a contract year. <hes> Vance McDonald. I think is favourite to become the steelers number to pass catcher behind Juju Smith Schuster. Ben Rothlisberger Loves Vance McDonald in an underrated plus for him is that they moved on from Jesse James so I think that's GonNa help Vance McDonnell just from Ashir playing time standpoint. <hes> and I think that he's going to have a breakout season. He was third among all N._F._l.. Tight ends in yards after the catch last last year <hes> behind George kittle and Travis Kelsey and then he was second in broken tackles behind only George kittle had more broken tackles than Travis Kelsey. He's guy that you know struggle with drops early in his career but <hes> has kinda gotten together. He's kind of like a late career. Breakout player Jared Cook is <hes> top five among all tight ends over the last two seasons in receptions and now he's going to New Orleans Orleans and <hes> so I mean that's a pretty good offense to play in. You know if his his touchdown probability is going to rise going for Oakland to New Orleans and he's another guy who was kind of broken out late in his career was kind of like an an underachiever an enigmatic athletic underachiever for a lot of years in Tennessee and then with the rams <hes> but he's become like one of the most consistent receiving tight ends in the N._F._l.. Over the last couple of years go by going to relocating to a better offense David Giokoo his targets were just four point six per game after Freddie Kitchens took over the browns house offense in the second half of last season so that is concerning also concerning is the fact that the browns trader for Odell Beckham because that's GonNa push everyone down the target ladder so David Joe. I think he's risky. I think he's going to be really inconsistent. I think he's going to have some big games but I think he's going to be frustrating from stink fantasy standpoint but I do think he's a candidate select score ten touchdowns <hes> and that takes care of this year keeping a moving to tear four. You've got Austin Hooper ahead of Jordan Reed. Gosh I like forgot about Jordan Reed a head of Eric E. Brondby Ninety nine percent chance to use the word regression. When you mentioned Eric Hebron ahead of trae Burton ahead of Stallini? Don't call me to Lonnie Walker. Yeah these are tight ends that are capable of finishing in the top twelve but probably won't be difference. Makers week-to-week Austin hooper ceiling is kind of capped by <hes> how deep Atlanta is in the wide receiver core. Bring him back. One of the best three receiver sets in the N._F._l.. And I think that's this. This is definitely a team. That's going to run the football more. They were bottom three in rushing attempts last year. They're getting back good players on defense so going to be a little bit less opportunity for <hes> Austin Hooper in for the passing passing game as a unit <hes> Jordan Reed played through chronic to- pain last year still finished eleventh among thirty qualified tight ends in yards per route run <hes> and you know he played thirteen gains. I mean that's like a big accomplishment for Jordan. I think the redskins are not going to be very good but he absolutely can lead them. In receiving <hes> I'm way below consensus on Eric Hebron who yes his third scored fourteen touchdowns actually actually if you include his rushing touchdown he's going to regress in if you look at his entire body of work in college in the Pros Eric Iran before last season had never had more than five touchdowns in an individual year. All of a sudden is fourteen. You add Devin funchess Paris Campbell to Hilton was banged up all last year. Jack Doyle is back and then if you look at the Games where Jack Doyle played last season Eric Hebron drew eight point eight targets per game when Jack Doyle was out only four point four targets per game when Jack Doyle was in and Jack Doyle actually had more targets and played more snaps in the Games where they both played so Eric Iran is a clear fade for me in pretty much every famous format trae Burton was had a big preseason. It was kind of a disappointment during the regular season top forty yards in only three of sixteen games. <hes> did not top forty yards in any games after week seven <hes> he struggled with confidence late in the year he was inactive for the bears playoff loss. He's coming off sports hernia surgery. You know it's a deep offense in Chicago. I don't know if getting him the ball is going to be a priority this year. I'm really big on Alan Robinson. <hes> this year having a big season we'll talk about him when we get to the wide receivers Delaney Walker coming off an ankle fracture in dislocation at age thirty five so that immediately sends up major red flags but this guy was cleared for the start of training camp and he had over eight hundred yards in each of previous four seasons before last year going down in week one so I mean Delaney has been a warrior throughout his career and I like him here at tight end fourteen. He's a guy that I really like to get my second tight end in best ball in tight end premium. Let's get to your tier five and that is Chris. Herndon Mark Andrews Jimmy Jimmy Grim Greg Olsen T._J.. Hodkinson the rookie at Iowa Dallas Qatar Tyler I for and the aforementioned Jack Doyle tear five for Chris her than even with the four-game suspension Evan Yeah I mean these are flawed Titan twos you know they're not guys that you're drafting to be starters but they do have some upside some reasons for optimism Chris hearn and just to eighth rookie tight end in the last decade to clear five hundred yards in his first season. This suspension stinks it makes him like undrafted like in a league where you have like five or six bench spots. You know you have short benches. You pretty much can't even draft him. I'm going to be out until week six because the jets have a week four by and he's got the four-game suspension. I'm going to use them until we six now. You certainly can draft him in best ball still and I think he's a good pick and best ball. I mean this suspension just. Crushed A._D._p.. So now we can kind of get better value on him. If you look at if you look at the list of tight ends <unk> that cleared five hundred yards as a rookie I mean there's a bunch of future hall of Famers Murs on there. I mean Rob Gronkowski. <hes> George kittle Aaron Hernandez was on that track before everything went down <hes> an Evan Ingram also <hes> fought fell into that category <hes> Mark Andrews he was another guy who met that criteria of being a rookie tight end that went over five hundred yards sky was dominant down the seen as a rookie he led all or he was fifth among all N._F._l.. Tight ends not just rookies in yards yards per route run last season and if you look at all the past catchers at the Ravens are bringing back. Mark Andrews has the most established rapport with Lamar Jackson of all of them so I think Mark Andrews is like a baller. Jimmy Graham really big disappointment because he'd scored two touchdowns last year at fifty five catches which is decent but he only score two touchdowns. You know we talked about on the air on the quarterback. Show how Aaron Aaron Rogers had a career low touchdown rate four point two percent to percentage points below his career average and Jimmy Graham really you know was hurt by that and also I you know I I I question what he's got left in the tank. They used a third round pick on Jay Sternberg who I really really liked coming out of a Texas A._M.. So Jimmy Graham not sure about bouncing back. You know he's Kinda. He's a flawed uptight into you know so he kind of defines this to your Greg Olsen three foot fractures in a torn plantar Fascia over the last two seasons turned thirty four in March in I think we're going to see him in the in the broadcast booth sooner rather than later and they've got a young tight end by the name of Ian Thomas who I think as a lot of upside in the short in long term so I think the Greg Olsen. They're probably GONNA scale scale his snaps back T._J.. Hodkinson. I don't think the lines are going to scale his snaps back. I think he's GonNa jump right in as an every down player but you know again a really really good season like historically good season for rookie tight end is five hundred ours and that's not big time in fantasy and I think that's where we're looking at with T._J.. Hodkinson that's going to be a run first offense. You mentioned Dallas Goddard. He's my tight end twenty. I think he's actually being overdrafted in fantasy leagues because everyone on you know the the the book is out on him. <hes> the dude is in an absolute beast and just how often is he going to get the ball in this offense that has so many really really good players. It's just a loaded offense and look is Zack. Urge like Mrs Anytime Dallas Goddard is going to be like top three tight end play or top four tight end play in daily fantasy tyler I for always hurt. Can we get twelve games is out of him. You know that's all we ask every year and we never get it. So just you know there's not a whole story never changes with Tyler effort and then Jack Doyle coming off the hip surgery <hes> you know I I think he's going to do more to hurt Eric Hebron than it is to then. He's going to do to carve out his own fantasy value alright tear six Gerald Everett Kyle L. Rudolph Noah fant cam break in Thomas Mike ezekie Darren Waller Jason Witten Jason Witten Irv Smith and my favorite Rob Gronkowski Wayne see I was GonNa say where do you do with Gronkowski. You got into your six. I mean the guys retired and you have ahead of a bunch of different tight ends. I love it. You know he's just shedding all that wait to come back and play wide receiver. You know that right Ross. He's GonNa come back and be a wide out. Let me just say this and I tweeted this. I've written about this. He's one of my favorite favorite players ever. I really hope he doesn't come back. You know just knowing he's already had three back surgeries and everything else I I really hope he doesn't but it's his life and if he does I will allow myself to be entertained by his exploits. Somebody posted like a highlight clip of him. Recently that I saw he is ridiculous. I don't have you ever seen in person Evan. No I think people would just be shocked at how big he really is. The two guys I think people would be most surprised by how large they actually are are Rob Gronkowski and Cam Newton. You like Cam. I mean I am I met Cam. I just couldn't he is all of two fifty to sixty why shoulders they actually have similar body types cranks even bigger for those guys is to be able to do what they've done at their size incredible but it is interesting because they're so big and they're able to take so many shots from people their bodies just breakdown because they're we're just getting paid. Oh take one shot and go down. They get hit bang boom boom and so that's a similarity between those two guys but Yemen I love him. Yeah <hes> so this cheer from tied in twenty three to tighten thirty two is comprised of late tied into slash Titan threes that are very least worth monitoring and that's why Rob Gronkowski ski falls into this year but it begins with Gerald Everett who you know certainly has the athleticism eighth percentile spark athlete last season. He was originally drafted to become come Sean McVeigh's next GE- ordinary you know <hes> Sean McVeigh was originally the position coach tight ends coach in Washington <hes> under the Shanahan's and <hes> with with Jordan Rian Jordan Reed was like his prize prized pupil and look Jordan era Gerald Everett came out of South Alabama and wasn't ready to to play in the N._F._l.. Right away but last season over the rams final eight games his <hes> routes run per game went from thirteen to twenty three and a half now this coincided with Cooper Cups A._C._l.. Tear they started playing a little bit more twelve personnel <hes> but including the playoffs offs Gerald Everett's routes per game almost doubled <hes> and tyler higby kind of took a step back he went down at twelve routes run per game so I do think that they want to incorporate Gerald Everett more as their primary tight end in eleven personnel which they primarily use. That's where we need to get him. We need to get him as the primary tight end in their three receiver one tight end package for him to to take a big step a forward. I think he's GonNa get that opportunity. I think there were signs of it down the stretch last season Colorado State Minnesota after signing a surprise contract extension that has no guaranteed money after the first year. You know there's really not not really even like a contract extension as you say you know you can stick around. I think he's going to lose snaps. He was bad last year. He was bad as a blocker and as a a pass catcher he was twenty second in yards per route run. He got bad grades as a pass blocker in a run blocker from a pro football focus. I had him on multiple fantasy teams last year. He did nothing you you know not not separating. They used a second round pick on Earth Smith. They're bringing back Tyler Conklin of I think he's got some potential. His role grew down the stretch last year. David Morgan they bring back as a blocker you know they've got a lot more options now. In Minnesota to take snap off Kyle Rudolph's plate and then they're going to run the ball a lot more this year than they did last season. That's not good for an inefficient pass catcher that needs targets in order to produce no offense mant falls into this rookie tight end bucket but <hes> they the the buzz has been strong on him. He's a guy that I'm going to be monitoring really closely. I might move them up. As we move forward a cameron break it is pretty much like a red zone. Guy At this point can definitely score touchdowns. You know we we've seen him score at a pretty high rate on a catch versus touchdown basis in Thomas mentioned him really really really good athlete. Coming out of Indiana was wrong. Kate like <hes> played at Juouko but he was number six among tight ends in yards over the last six weeks of last season <hes> <hes> and I think that he is going to kind of rotate in more frequently with Greg Olsen and of Greg Olsen goes down in Thomas. I think becomes a fantasy starter and we've seen Greg Olsen. Go down unfortunately went like ten years without missing a game <hes> but his body is kinda starting to break down. I think lateness career Mike just sticky and Darren. Waller are cannot look lower key breakout candidates Mike too sick. He was a disappointment. Disappointment in pretty much every respect last year but that's what happens with rookie tight ends so we shouldn't be surprised in hindsight that might too sick. He didn't do a whole lot as a rookie tight end. It'll be interesting to see exactly. How much do they put on his plate? They you know there's a new coaching staff. There Chad O'Shea coming over from New England their longtime wide receivers coach shadow shays now the dolphins offensive coordinator. So how are they going to. He's going to be got me looking at in preseason same with Daryl Darren Waller a wide receiver at Georgia tech now playing tight end for the raiders. The raiders seem very very high on him playing that Jared Cook Role Jason Whitton. I wonder if the year away from football could be good for his body. I you know I think he's GonNa come back and be a possession receiver who catches like fifty balls because they don't have a whole lot else there. They don't WanNa play Rico gathers. That's for sure they moved on from Jeff Swain. He went to Jacksonville. You Know Blake Charleena's back but you know he he doesn't really move the needle of but I think Jason Witten like tight end premium league. I think that he is actually kind of a good value. Pick having here at tight end thirty IRV Smith not sure how many balls he's going to get this year <hes> but you know they did use a relatively relatively high draft pick on him. Wait a second round or in the middle of the second round and so that suggests that he's going to get opportunities sooner rather than later and you talked about ground so we'll see what happens there people are basically you just taken a flyer there to see whether or not he comes back tear seven wrap it up Evan. We've got met Lukasz Ricky Seals Jones Vernon Davis Ben Watson Jeff Swim Wayne Jeff Hier men. Don't call me Hoyer men Blake Jar Win C._J.. Zoema Hayden Hearst J. Stern Burger Dawson knocks Nick Vinet Ed Dickson Jason Jason Croome drew sample size Trevon West go Charles Clay Jordan Thomas and Josh Oliver Yes so these are just tight ends that are going get playing time pretty much I think at some of them are a little bit more interesting than others matlock costs. I mean the the seas of just kind of parted for Matt Lacoste. I mean they cut Austin Superior. Jenkins Rob Gronkowski retired Ben Watson got suspended. You know so and Matt Lacoste I mean he didn't embarrass himself by any means last season with the Broncos he could absolutely open the season as the Patriots the primary tight end at this point expected <hes> Rookie Seals Jones was quantifiably like the worst tight end the league last year from a pass catching on a pass catching efficiency basis and he's a converted wide receiver receiver who is in much of a block either but with Kingsbury did recruit him coming out of high school and Ricky Seals Jones has athleticism so it'll be interesting to see how he's in corporate hit. He's a guy to watching the preseason. You'll we'll. We'll learn more in the preseason slick into I mean Hayden. Hearse don't really expect a whole lot from him. In his second year he was the first round pick but I think that he's pretty clearly been passed by Mark Andrews Their Dawson knocks the the seas of art have kind of parted for him to <hes> especially with Tyler Kroft who they spent some money on breaking his foot not sure we're GONNA see him until like mid season Dawson Chirac's rookie out of Ole Miss Zero touchdowns in his college career but a really good athlete and a guy that they drafted in the third round. He'll be a guy to watch closely in the preseason. preseason competition is going to be Jae-shin croome who is another converted wide receiver who is dating the owner or is like dating the owner's daughter of the <unk> Geula owner's daughter Jason Russian crew and so he's got that little nepotistic benefit <hes> working in his favor and he kinda showed some chemistry last year in the preseason with Josh Allen <hes> so just a name to keep in mind <hes> Trevan WASCO rookie out of West Virginia he <hes> who's Arrow count went up a little bit when Chris Herndon was suspended however the jets did just sign Ryan Griffin away from the Texans and he probably is the favourite now for snaps during Chris hearns absence drew sample was shockingly drafted in the second round by the Bengals as a blocking tight end out of the University of Washington Tin. You know I don't know not not this is just guys that are going to see playing time and might move up based on preseason news might surprise during the regular season just kind of guys to to keep on the radar question for you. Evan is nepotistic a word. I doubt it number two how'd he knows that Jason Crew is dating the PA- goals daughter like how do you know I bet I just just know is weird weird. That's amazing by the way speaking of dating and stuff. I gotta read to you one email from our guy last year's feast winner who we we had on this this is amazing. Anthony Combs Guy from Missouri that we had on and he said he sent me like forty plus Amazon confirmation mation emails. He said he can send me try to get in the League again this year. I still haven't let him in. Here's he you gotta you gotTa hear this. Thanks again for letting me on the PODCAST. I just finished it up too late now but I meant the running running back from Green Bay. Adam Jones not damn davante Adams ha ha. Ha also got made fun of my wife. My second kid is nine not eight never had like in. How many kids are the F. Six? We were like how old are all day or what are their names. It was like Antonio Commodity. He's kids nine not eight. It was fun. Sorry I was super nervous. I've never been on radio or pike as surrounding before it was very fun. MISSED TWO TOPIX I need to hit didn't help my conference room. I was hiding in 'cause use it. Work is all glass and I had a CO worker effing with me. You just made me respect what y'all are able to do. Even more I will just have to get in the league and win again to Redeem Myself Evan. How do we lose? It's embarrassing isn't it uh-huh dude sure the image of him in the conference room with his CO worker effing wish him while these China be on our show and not knowing how old is kids. Are I mean that's amazing easing. That's that's also agony. 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Let's Ride: Which Steelers will turn heads in 2020?

Behind the Steel Curtain

29:26 min | 11 months ago

Let's Ride: Which Steelers will turn heads in 2020?

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to another episode of Let's ride. I'm Jeff Harbin your host here on this Monday Wednesday Friday morning podcast for behind the steel. Curtain Dot dotcoms podcast platform. If you just stumbled upon this show, somehow some way all the we ask that you follow US wherever you're listening whether it's I tunes, apple podcast, spotify, Google Anchor stitcher you name it wherever you are even Pandora. Follow along the don't miss anything because it's more than just the let's ride show in the morning. There's the steelers retro, show the Steelers, Dad Geek in the morning, and now our newest show. 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PODCASTS film room editor a you know I mean editor's commentary we're looking at The breaking news, we have it all. I can't stress it enough. We have it all they used to always say that you know years ago we want this to be your one stop shop We really do hope that is. It's hard to believe. That in two weeks when you're listening to this on Monday if you're listening to this on Monday. In two weeks, Pittsburgh steelers will at metlife stadium getting ready to play the new. York giants. In the early game, we'll call it the matinee of Monday night football. We want them forget game starts early they have a double header in week one that game starts at seven fifteen pm eastern time. So don't forget. But it's hard to believe in two weeks. It just seemed like such a crazy roller coaster that we've been on since March in that system general. That's not just with the NFL but you think about it went from the virtual nfl draft and then everything was shut down in will they started? Won't they started? Will they have that side CBA done that side letter they got that done. And it just has been whirlwind. But you know the NFL has done a tremendous job with their testing protocols and I think that they've proven that they can safely return are they out of the woods yet now? No. Now by any stretch of the imagination once these two wants to team start playing when another you see how that'll impact everything if everything goes the way it is it has been I want to say the only have in the entire league three players on the covy list in that might be inflated it might be too. But those hatch the time where they only one and then that one person came off the list and then none. Doing a good job. Signs are pointing upward system seem to be go for that Thursday night opener a little over a week away between the Kansas City chiefs, the defending super bowl champions versus the Houston Texans in Kansas City and I can't speak for everyone listening. But I'm really excited for that I'm just excited to watch. Football again I'm I'm excited to watch the NFL again I'm excited to watch a sport season start that is actually on scheduled to start. This isn't default the NBA the NHL or Major League Baseball I'm just excited the NFL has always had time on their side. In they're gonNA start on time. That's big for me. That's really big for me. So I'm excited in, you should be excited about the Pittsburgh steelers coming into this season as well because the Pittsburgh steelers have a lot of hype behind him. Now they're still the talking heads like Colin cowherd I, can't stand that guy. He knows what he's doing first and foremost if you haven't seen the clip, go and check it out, you can follow me on twitter at j Hartman H. a. r. t. m. and underscore Pitt. P.. I t.. I re tweeted this a one when he said it basically saying he doesn't believe in the steelers. He thinks they're overrated blah blah blah in their garbage in did they don't age well as what he said it didn't make any sense. He knows what he's doing because he knows that steeler fans are are a rabid bunch and they're gonNA read tweeted and they're going. To comment and they're gonNA push it out there and they're gonNA, put it on their facebook the feeding guess what you're doing you're helping his exposure I can't stand that. But at the same time, most people are actually saying that the steelers could be turning some heads this year and I said what if I gave a list here we go start this Monday off right This dealers have had all weekend off practice Friday evening to give him Saturday and Sunday off. Here. We are Monday, five players that steeler fans that are going to turn heads. Steeler fans, heads. In Twenty, twenty Case, I picked five players some of these you might finger obvious some maybe not so much I do want to mention that this is in no particular order. So the first player that say is not the the one that's going to do the most damage. It's just the first player on the list I hope you'll understand that. Gates leader five players if for whatever reason are going to turn heads here in twenty twenty when the regular season starts off for the black and gold first and foremost I'm GonNa go juju Smith Schuster I think juice machineries at a quiet training camp. The most that you've heard from Smith. Schuster is that he's been given a couple of days off for veteran days. You haven't seen a whole bunch of him on social media. He's been relatively quiet will why do I think that he's going to turn heads in twenty twenty? First and foremost. This is a contract here for Juju. You don't think that matters. It matters and he's coming off a season two seasons actually. While mainly in two dozen nineteen was when he was supposed to be the guy, he was supposed to be the number one and he got hurt he played injured the majority of the season his numbers were down in. Now all of a sudden people are questioning whether or not Juju can do it on his own or if he's always going to need help. And people think back to when he was drafted you know in two thousand, seventeen to eighteen. Put his great years with Antonio Brown across the field everyone said, he was the benefactor of Antonio. Brown's greatness in Antonio Brown drawing two sometimes three defenders to his side of the field. Therefore, Juju had just one on one coverage big strong. He can handle that. Two Thousand Nineteen. There was no and Tony Brown opposite him. And you saw what happened and so a lot of people not necessarily saying me are questioning whether or not he's going to be able to do it. I'm not sure if Juju is that type of receiver first and foremost. If he is the type of receiver that is categorized as a pure number one. But I will say this put him on a team with some weapons. Mismatches in he will put up number one production and I think there's a difference when you think about things in terms of statistics. He might not have the receptions in the yardage then tonio did in his prime. But at the same time, he might have some great statistics especially in the red zone if other players around him perform well, players Johnson players, I james Washington players I chase Klay Pool players advance McDonald's stay healthy and staying on the field all those people that become wet weapons become threats offensive threats day than open things up for Juju. Smith Schuster I think that the steelers offense this year is going to be built in a way that Juju Smith Schuster is going to be able to maximize those mismatch look for him to be in the slot. He does most of his damage from the slot in that's GonNa get him against either a nickel cornerback someone like Mike Helton or possibly a safety or even linebacker at times all three of those matchups. Altay Juju. Time twice on Sunday. So. If he stays healthy in, you'll notice as a common thread amongst all these players I shouldn't have to say it every time I probably will but it said if they all stay healthy, they can all do damage in twenty twenty. Juju is on that list players that are gonNA turn some heads this year second one might surprise you a little bit. I'M GONNA go with Anthony McFarland the rookie out of Maryland. Everything. You'VE HEARD ABOUT MCFARLAND coming out of training camp so far this season at Heinz field has been the he has. A bid of the breakaway speed that he's advertised to have when he entered the NFL. He watched his highlight film from two years ago against Ohio State. He was literally a twenty plus yard rushing machine against them that game. This is Ohio state. This isn't like playing. I. Don't know some Mac school or some school down in Florida that no one's ever heard of this is a legitimate top five, top three team in the nation and he shredded them. I don't WanNa, go back into college his numbers and stats because they don't really correlate with me. But skill does correlate. The steelers have not had a back that if you give them a glimmer of daylight, he can take the distance in a really long time. Because if you think back even to. Lady on Bells Prime Thank two, thousand, fourteen, two, thousand, fifteen lady on bell. He never really had the breakaway speed I'm talking about hit the whole end he's gone. He had some long runs, but he was never that Kinda back Anthony McFarland is that kind of. What I'm hoping what I've read a little bit and I've talked to some sources that McFarland has a little bit of the patients that Dell did James Connor does not have that patients if you listened to my show on Friday I had Kevin Smith or cliff. Harris is still punk people call them on behind the steel curtain dot com and he's talked about James. Connor in really he's he's not patient. He's a square, the shoulders downhill runner hit the hole in the holes not there he's running up the back of his offensive line. That's just the way that he is his it's his makeup, but this line was built to make to run ever Brunner, there's a little bit more patient. It was basically build four lady on Bell. I think Anthony McFarland is gonNA. See a lot more time than people think and I think that he's actually going to see some significant runs coming his way in twenty twenty and don't sleep on him in the passing game either the kid catch he can get yards after the catch I can see Anthony McFarland. Basically, taking. Me Jalen Samuel snaps away twenty. Twenty I'm not going as far as saying jalen Samuels won't be on the team. If you think back to Jalen Samuels and twenty nineteen, he got some snaps here there depending on injury situation and stuff like that I think. That Anthony McFarland is GONNA turn a lot of heads in twenty twenty especially amongst the steelers Dan they might say who is kid because of that a preseason? One knows exactly what they're going to see. We're going off of what we hear from training camp and what we hear from training camp is this young man is dynamic. So that's to Juju Smith Schuster Anthony McFarland. Who else falls on this list of players that are going to turn heads in twenty twenty. Get? that. Right after this break. Support for this podcast comes from Microsoft teams. The world has changed and Microsoft teams is there to help us stay connected teams as the safe and secure way to chat. Meet call in collaborate to learn more visit Microsoft dot com slash teams. All right, Pittsburgh steeler Fans Jeff Harpen back here for another for the second segment of the let's ride morning podcast for behind the steel curtain dot com talking five players that turn heads. In case you're sleeping for the first segment. Juju Smith. Schuster Anthony McFarland were the first two. We have three more to get to here in the second segment. I'm GonNa go defense now. Did you offense of players June Anthony Phone I'm going to go defense now and I'm GonNa say a player that I didn't entire podcast on a few weeks ago and that's none other than Stefan to it. I think that Stefan onto it. was off to have a an all pro pro bowl year in two thousand nineteen if he wouldn't have gotten hurt against San Diego Week Five. I'm sorry week six, we five was Baltimore home week six with San Diego on Sunday night I'm sorry the chargers. In, Los Angeles on Sunday night football I don't think I'll ever not make that mistake of calling them San. Diego. But I'm not alone I'm trying not a lot. But in in those six games, steph onto a plate and he had three and a half sacks. I mean think about that three and a half acts in the six games he played the guy was a one man wrecking crew. He lived in the backfield tackles for losses. quarterback heads past offenses by batting down balls he was a machine. In don't think for a second even though we haven't heard from two, we haven't really he did do an interview with the media a few weeks ago. He's a very soft spoken guy. He has to be chomping at the bit to get back on the field. He and Cam Hayward in my opinion are the best duo at Interior defensive line in the national football league I said it on the podcast when I talked about to it being the Superman, the steelers defense needs. For a lot of reasons replacing J von Hargrave, they play a lot of two down linemen. He and Hayward are the two down linemen when they don't have a nose tackle. On top of all that I don't think that you know some people call Hayward, intuit Batman and Robin No hell. Anyone that has followed comics ordered the movies knows that Robin is that man sidekick I don't see to it as hayward site sidekick. Let's go Batman Superman. You can label one. The other doesn't matter. Those are two superheroes Azar to unbelievable talents there on the defense front but I think it's GonNa be to actually might. Do Get the better statistics in twenty twenty, two hayward. It's not a knock on hayward if hayward ends up with seven sacks, intuit ends up with nine and a half. Yes, Woo every single steeler fan the out there listening will raise their hand and say, we'll take it. We will take it if you have to interior defensive linemen in a basic three, four scheme or a sub package scheme, the steelers typically run that account for sixteen plus tax. Yes. You'll take it. You will take it no doubt about it. No doubt about it. So steph onto a he might shock people because he's he's been hurt before I understand the injury history that is a concern. But when he's healthy, he is going to wreck individuals. Fact. Not Opinion that's going to be just waiting see you'll see two more. Let's stay on the defense. I'm going to go Devon Bush. A lot of people ask the question is it going to be the sophomore slump? Was Gonna be a sophomore jump. I think there's no doubt about it. The Devon Bush is going to have an increased production season in twenty twenty. I don't want fans to think he's GonNa play every he might. Kevin on Friday said he hopes Devon Bush does not. Play every single snap. He hopes that they're able to sub him off in some way shape or form with maybe he's Gilbert the third. I don't think it matters. What you saw. In his rookie year. Is. Devon. Bush. Be Very reactive player in two thousand and nineteen. His athleticism was evident especially in the second half of the season, his speed from sideline to sideline his agility, his blitzing potential, which I didn't necessarily know that was one of his strong points but my gosh, he was. Really good blitzer his nose for the football. It just seemed to find him all the time but nonetheless, I think you're GonNa see all those attributes. Amplified. In twenty twenty. Because now the brain is not just being reactive, he can almost be. He's going to be able to trust his instincts. He's been there. He's done that he seen it. So when he's standing on the field and he's directing traffic in front of him and behind him. He's going to be able to say, alright I know that on this down in distance with this particular offense package. There is a high probability that they are going to run this play and he is going to be able to be predictive. That's made Troy Paulo. Maluso Great. Troy Paula Malai studied film so much that he knew let's say they were playing. The Baltimore. Ravens. The team that they played twice a year and they've always played tough. We all know the Ravens but he would know that with the depending on their offense coordinator on third into if they're an ice formation if they throw an extra tight end on his side when they moved that extra tight end there, he knows that it's ninety nine point nine percent chance they are going to run over that second tight end, and so that's when you would see Paula Malai slashed to the line of scrimmage. Try to blow up the play in basically take out a blocker said that they can get in the back to to make a play. That's predictive instincts that's not just reactive I think that's what you're going to see what Devin Bush this year I think Devin Bush is going to be a player that is going to be able to go out there uses experience because he played a ton as a rookie. Uses experience as a rookie. To make him that much better he already has the tangible 's he has the speed he has yet lettuce him. He has the ball skills he has it all. Now he just needs a pair of the experience with that and I think you will see Devin Bush turn heads. I think he turned heads in until nineteen. Let me say that for a second I think he turned heads and nineteen the basically though what happened was is that They didn't make the playoffs therefore, Devin. Bush. Didn't really get a lot of notice because the steelers weren't that good. The defense is great but the team wasn't that good. So devin Bush I think is going to turn some heads. The last player on the list should not surprise anyone if there have been either some surprises on my list, I tried to put some surprises on my list. I didn't want people thinking Oh here we go listening to Jeff I mean, he's just GonNa Rattle off the five players that I probably have my head I tried to think of some players a little bit unique. This one was not be one of them. I'm Eric Brown. Eric Hebron has his own injury history that's been well documented. But it was when I was listening to Kevin on Friday he actually has met Eric Hebron Person Eric Hebron's personal trainer works with Kevin's football team in New Jersey, and so there are a couple of times in the summer he brings. To their field in they practiced together and so he's able to talk with Iran thrones and passes, and he just talked about how he's such a giant of a man and he moves so well and he takes up cover so much ground and then shortly after that Vince. Williams on twitter re tweeted all of the touchdowns of Eric Iran's Indianapolis Colts. Career is a video inside watch that as man. This guy is unbelievable I liked him coming out of North Carolina I did and he is drafted by Detroit then he goes Indianapolis night finds his way in Pittsburgh. But it Rothlisberger. When was the last time? He had a tight end that can actually stretch the field. I I'm thinking about it legitimately thinking. I loved Heath Miller, but he wasn't that guy. He was not that guy. After that Jesse James No, not even close. The closest thing that they've had since Ben Rothlisberger has been here that you would say is close to America abroad type would be when they signed the Darius Green. From. San Diego I didn't mess that up. He was actually from San Diego chargers not the Los Angeles Charters. In his injuries in his concussion history and all that crept up and it was just it was bad from the start. Is Bad from the start in the difference. Everyone wants to draw the comparison between Lebron and green. If you remember when Green got signed, his ankle still wasn't right. They had to keep him out of practice in training camp and he was on the field running just every single day. When you going to be one's going to be a practice while he's on the pup list, when's it going to be able to get out of the populace the populace he gets in the off the PUP list and he gets a concussion, and then he's dealing with concussion symptoms and I'm not down down you know grading any type of head injury he just could not get healthy Ibrox had angle issues last year clearly he's right. Been Training Camp never missed a practice. I'm sorry he did this one because he was physically sick. He is looked the part so when you have Iran. And you have. Think about this, I think about this purely from a red zone standpoint. When you think about an offense that could put. Juju Smith Schuster big strong receiver. Chase Klay poll young, but a big strong receiver. deontay Johnson. Superfast. In space, you just aren't going to cover him with one guy. Vance McDonald Eric Ibran you have yourself if they go no running backs and you want to throw out that many receivers they're going to have weapons GALORE. But not just weapons outside of Johnson. Big. Strong, weapons. Everyone I know if you've listened to rothlisberger talk since he's been drafted. Since PLAXICO burs laughed he has wanted big targets. He wants big tall targets. That's why everyone was like yes. When they drafted Lima Sweden second round affirma- Texas they thought this was the guy. No he wasn't the guy we know it wasn't the guy. But they've always tried to find that. Tall player it just hasn't always panned out maybe was sammie coates. No wasn't Sammie coates. A David make these free agent acquisitions that made you scratch your head lands more yeezy. He's a small guy. Then once big receivers he has big receivers now. Again, Vance McDonald Eric, even they're not just regular old tight ends especially, Iran Iran is more of a receiver than he is a blocker and he's a big guy said, let it go chase clay was six four big dude can run. He's basically built like a tight end runs like a receiver runs A. Four, four, forty. Insane. Eric Hebron is a game changer. Eric. Brown is an absolute game changer if you are a fantasy football owner of a team whether it's daily fantasy. Or whether it is your traditional fantasy league. Eric Yvonne should be on your radar. Absolutely should be on your radar why we know that Rothlisberger loves to throw to his tight ends. He just hasn't had one in a while. Whether it's Vance not being able to stay healthy. And Jesse James was never good for anything after the catch and we know rothlisburger view Heath Miller as his security blanket when anything broke down. You know I think back to this huge touchdown catches where he just slips behind the linebacker. High Pass in the back of the endzone. Heath brings it down catches at hand to the official one goes back and celebrates with his teammates that can be run this year just with a little bit more of a dynamic flair to it. There you go. Folks are my players I think those are five players they're gonNA turn heads is here Juju Smith Schuster. There's i. don't hear anyone talking about Juju Smith Schuster being a viable option in two thousand twenty. But I think they will be after the first quarter. And there's people that have not mentioned Anthony McFarland as a player that could be dynamic and Backfield for the steelers. Most people think that he's third on the depth chart I think actually I know with Madd Canada, his influence on the offense. If there is any influence which everything we've heard from the steelers has been that there will be some influence from Canada. He's going to get Anthony McFarland on the field he's going to scheme up Anthony McFarland to get the ball and space. That's where he doesn't Miss Damage Steph onto it. When him him coming back, he can be absolutely dynamic. He can be a monster on that field. And, that'll be huge. Devin Bush taking a second year going into second year second year jump. He's GonNa be the guy with green dodd he's communicating to the line he's making changes he's making calls back to the secondary. He's ready for that. He's GonNa make that jump he's going to make and say wow What a draft pick? What a move by Kevin Colbert jumping up ten spots in the two thousand and nineteen draft to get this kid outta. Michigan. What a steel? That's what they're going to be saying about Devin Bush and Eric Hebron. He WanNa talk about how much he got paid which I don't even think it was that bad. It's GonNa be worth it and there was a time when everyone said Kevin Colbert can't pick up free agents to save his life whether it was leterrier screen Morgan Burnett. Mark Baron at this point I think that he's going to be on a stretch of of making some really good decisions the first being Steven Nelson in the gag, Lebron's going to be second Eric Yvonne seems to really like being with the Pittsburgh steelers he's going to really like catching passes from Ben Rothlisberger I think that he's GonNa be he's found a home is what I'm saying he's found a home. In Pittsburgh and that's all GonNa Equate success for the steelers as they kick things off again in week one on Monday night football against the New York giants I. Hope Yours are excited as I am because I am absolutely jacked up and ready for the NFL to get back on the field There was a low the college football on this weekend. Nah that doesn't really wet my whistle so to speak. Not, a college guy, and especially now that a lot of the conferences have completely backed out of the season, it's just going to be worse. So NFL, it can't start soon enough and we hope at six around because the steelers in my opinion have a legitimate shot, not just to contend in the division but to contend for seven super bowl. That's all there is to it period. So hope you enjoyed this episode of let's ride. Remember this day Monday. Wednesday Friday show here on behind the Steel curtains audio platform wherever you're listening make sure you follow a subscribe if you're listening on I tunes which we know that fifty five percent or more do listen on itunes or apple podcast leave a five star rating if you enjoy in elitist a good comment if you leave your comment on the steelers preview which airs on Thursday nights live on our youtube channel I will read those comments live on the air give a little shout out. In the meantime. 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BTSC Steelers Training Camp Recap: Day Five

Behind the Steel Curtain

08:48 min | 4 d ago

BTSC Steelers Training Camp Recap: Day Five

"Support for this episode comes from t. Mobile we're a lot more than just baseball fans we're baseball fanatics and thanks to t mobile. We can stay connected to the game. We love with five gene more places. T. mobile is your ticket to the game so whether your home or away. You're never far from your favorite team with america's largest and fastest five gene network. Don't get caught looking switch to t mobile the leader and five g. today fastest according to open signal awards based on average speeds in usa five g. Experience report able two thousand twenty one c five device coverage and access details at t. Mobile dot com pittsburgh steelers fans. What's going on. This is jeff. Hartmann senior editor of behind the steel curtain dot com. With you for another episode of the pittsburgh steelers training camp recap. That is right. They are back to work. The steelers were not add. The ups rooney sports complex. On the south side of pittsburgh they were at heinz field in this was not the first practice where the steelers had fans in attendance. This was this the first practice at heinz field tomorrow. Wednesday is when the pittsburgh steelers will host fans for the very first time in training camp since two thousand and nineteen at saint vincent college and it will be fun. It'll be fun for a lot of reasons for those that don't know. The media is restricted on what they can and cannot say as it pertains to what they see a training camp. So for instance. Let's say the chase. Klay pool has a huge diving. Catch down the sideline for a touchdown and it's a beautiful play. Not only can the media not film it. They can't talk about it. It is completely null and void unless a player or coach brings it up themselves. Now when there's fans in attendance because clearly fans are going to be tweeting. They're going to be taking video all that stuff on their own the media then tweet and do things like that and talk about what's going on in practice so that's something that steeler fans at least for me. I had become very accustomed to that. Based on the fact that when they were at saint vincent college there were maybe five practices total throughout all of training camp. Where people weren't there in. you always got reports. You always got the big play in. Who was playing well in the skirmishes in the scuffles. And you're just really restricted on. What kind of information is given but nonetheless wednesdays the first day so i'm excited for that. I'm sure there's a lot of people are as well. Let's get to what happened on tuesday. There was not a lot of news coming out of camp on tuesday with a day off on monday. You'd almost expect them to have kind of like a mini ramp up before pads. They're not gonna go ridiculously heavy. That's going to be wednesday. Can't stress that enough. That is going to be the day where you're gonna see a lot of those famous Back on backers drill and things like that where it the pads will be popping for the first time in this twenty twenty one season. But let's talk about some of the news that went down the tight ends. Were in front of the media for the first time. We're talking about eric. Hebron pat farm. Youth and eric hebron said that the tight end rooms that they've nickname now and they're calling them the bad asses. Pardon my french. But that's his words not mine and he said that. That came from the new tight end. Coach alfredo roberts in hebron said quote tight ends. We should be bad ass as we should block bad as we should be able to run bad ass routes and we should be able to score on anybody in a bad ass way. So that's eric. Hebron explaining why the titans have this new mutt mentality. This new mindset entering the twenty twenty one season. we'll have more on hebron here in a second of a probably the biggest news if you wanna call it. News was the fact that ben rothlisberger was not at practice at all. I mean he'd been given days off but he was not even present. Mike tomlin said that he gave him. He gave me an excused for personal reasons. He should be back on wednesday. And that's when the pads come out. I'm sure ben. We'll have a full practice on wednesday in front of fans if for an injury update because jc has now has been banged up. Bj phidias left practice. Most recently antoine brooks junior on sunday. He had a minor injury. That's what it was labeled. Mike tomlin kind of gave an injury. Update bremmer folks. He does not have to give any updates at all in the preseason. Not until the regular season does he have to put out on the steelers organization as an official injury report. But here's what tomlin said had a number of guys at nissim work for a variety of reasons. Most of which we've been talking about. He's i gave ben rothlisberger the day off for personal reasons. He's been excused by me. We look forward to getting back tomorrow. Other guys that are working their way back getting back to us. We'd expect those guys to be back in a short number of days so there you have it from the head coach himself. Mike tomlin speaking of pat farm. Ethan tight ends. He was asked can he block. He's already shown his athleticism he's already shown his ability to catch the ball run. Good routes he said quote. It's hard to show. You can block with only helmets on. My job is to make catches in block ends and block linebackers. I've had a good couple of days but the real work starts tomorrow. The pads go on. And i've got to prove i can block defense events so pat farm youth. I mean the sounds like a pretty humble kid. We'll put it that way. We'll put it that way. So in iran during his session he was asked basically or he was asked about. Hey you know what do you think about. And she's me what. What do you think about like run blocking. He's said look that they don't they being the steelers. They don't draft a running back in the first round to have our tight ends not block so in other words when they drafted nause harris first overall we have to understand we are going to block and he was then given a follow up question which was how do you feel like you blocked last season and would you have to become a better blocker. Here's what he said. Quote absolutely. I feel that was something. We were all terrible at last year as you saw in a lull in the running game period as a complete unit off offensive line and tight ends. I feel like we all should do better including myself. Yeah if you want to get paid and you want to perform and you want to be amongst the best you've got to be able to block. Yeah that's a pivotal part of our focus this year and so eric hebron along with the tight end group are really putting it that emphasis on blocking on improving the running game. It's alfredo robertson. You tight ends coach. We've heard from canada from adrian klemm. And we've heard it all the way up the coaching staff. And even to our rene the second team president. They are focused on blocking and getting the running game going. We'll see if that plays out or not. And i think tomorrow wednesday is going to be a step in that direction. One way or the other. We will be here for you. No matter what to talk about the pittsburgh steelers the training camp practice. It was if you're curious what their schedule is. This week The steelers don't really make this public. I don't feel like it's that big of a deal to tell you but i will anyways When you're looking at the practice schedule this week. They practice wednesday thursday friday and saturday in their off on sunday. So that means that you will be getting a lot of jeff hartmann this week. Some might say ugh. That's horrible and some my day. I love jeff. Doesn't matter i'm going to be here no matter what so. Make sure you check out my. Let's ride podcast tomorrow. Wednesday as well as the training camp. Recap podcast later in the afternoon and evening and make sure behind the curtain dot com or one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers as they get ready for this training camp. This preseason eventually the twenty twenty one regular season wherever you get your podcast. Search steelers or behind the steel courtesy. You cannot just get my podcast. But also the live mike in the morning. Dave scofield's podcasts. In a whole slew of other shows that you can only get on their pod casts platform all right folks. That does it for me. I'll see you tomorrow with another training camp. Recap in the meantime be safe. Be kind in. God bless have good day goes dealers support for this episode. 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The Steelers Preview, Part 2: Should Steeler Nation curb their enthusiasm when it comes to the tight end position?

Behind the Steel Curtain

35:32 min | 1 year ago

The Steelers Preview, Part 2: Should Steeler Nation curb their enthusiasm when it comes to the tight end position?

"And we are back with the second part of the steelers preview with Brian Anthony Davis the podcast producer from behind the curtain dot com I am Dave, scofield. Editor my other CO editor from by the soccer dot COM Jefferson Harmon sorry Jefferson Bartholomew Hartman is not with us. Tonight is he's on vacation, but he will be back next week. So Brian Let's get back into this. Let's get on topic. This is US talking this is the problem with you and I get on topic. Or are expectations too high for the tight ends here. Yes and here's the reason why now it's not a bad thing. It's actually a good thing why our expectations are high but I wanNA talk about Eric. Iran I is a high profile. Free. Agent signing. And he's a guy that had sixty six receptions. Seven hundred fifty yards and thirteen touchdowns two seasons ago. He was a pro bowl selection. But if you go back then py, Hilton was hurt a little bit. Andrew Luck was healthy. And He was his only receiver. This situation now in Pittsburgh is you have another talented tight end advanced McDonald who we're going to talk about and you have four or five receivers that are going to be targets of Ben. Rothlisberger. So he's not going you're not going to expect thirteen touchdowns out of this guy. But that's okay if you look at the steelers. Who's The guy who always talk about when we talked about tight ends with the steelers it's Heath Miller. What is his highest number as far as touchdowns? It's eight. Grand Chai's record. Yes. Eight touchdowns he's. In. You'd probably not two thousand twelve was it twelve twelve and he also had eight, hundred, sixty, six yards. Now. One thing that you look at here is when you combined Jesse James and Vance McDonald in two thousand seventeen. There were one thousand yard receiver. Together and it seems like, Pittsburgh, could do better than worrying about having one superstar. But having to combined players to get. The numbers of George Kettle or Travis Kelsey who just got paid big time over the last couple of days but. You know when you're looking at that, you don't these guys WanNa play in for numbers. We talked about this. When we talked about the receivers, there's a lot of balls that need to be going around Juju. You don't expect fourteen hundred yards out of Juju you expect. Maybe eleven hundred at the most because other guys neither balls too. So, this is a situation where you have a lot of guys. It's all young guys I. Think they need him. Yeah. As, long as by dropping. But the one thing you're looking at, it's kind of like. You have a mom momma dog and she's got six to seven poppies. They only need fat. and. That's the thing. So you don't expect somebody in the live chat said I hope I hope he goes off I hope he goes off to but you kind of want these guys to work enter. Be, interchangeable and if you get one thousand yard receiver out two guys and you break franchise records but you're not breaking franchise records but the position does then you're golden. And we talked about this with wide receivers before we did, the steelers have to have a thousand yard wide receiver. Now, just imagine if they have five guys with eight hundred dollars. So does it really matter how much divvied up and that's kind of what your point is when it comes to Eric Hebron and Vance McDonald, we don't need one of them to absolutely go off. What here's what might happen it might be that you get Hebron going off for several games. You Conveys McDonald going on for several games take that that Tampa Bay game over. I'll take a repeat of that for sure and then then you had games like Seattle last year we had two touchdowns so It doesn't. Sometimes. Having the threat from from multiple people will allow one to go off and think about when the steelers had played Seattle for years prior when they really went on shutting down Mr Third and fifth who had two hundred yards receiving that game pretty amazing. That was Marcus Weeden. Yup So. What's Nice is when you have multiple options if they focus if if if a team comes, it's GonNa shut we're not gonNA let Eric. Abroad. Kill us in the red zone. Did you know what you do? You kill him with somebody else asked me to do and this is the year that they can do that. Yeah. The one thing that you've got to look at the most here Dave and for everybody. Is this fact that you also have a heck of an injury history with Eric Hebron and Vance McDonald? Yes. And that could make things go off the rails a quick hurry. And when they're preparing to have a two headed monster a tight end and next thing you know Zach gentry's in there and who knows he's a, he's a big guy. He's a project he was drafted as a project because he. Have a prominent position. Maybe you want to deal with that. Yeah well. It's interesting because I want to tease a little bit. Doing my projected fifty, three man roster. I obviously had to change change something from the last time I did it so I'm like, what am I going to do? What are we doing to keep running backs where the steelers going to squeeze another player off of the fifty three I wouldn't created this time and because of the new practice squad rules I went with, let's keep you tight ends. Let's keep tight ends on the active roster and to on the practice squad and they pull up if you need to. because. I don't think he was going to be going out to to grab Zack gentry not even see if he's progressed from last year I had one catch for four yards last year. What's I mean unless they're decimated a tight end so As a possibly because if the steelers are gonNA run a quote, unquote three tight end sets, it's going to be on a run play. They're going to have their jumbo tight end. That's an extra offensive lineman. So. So yeah that's that's what I said. Brad is Mike if you keep to keeping a fourth running back yes that was the key. Meaning other than Derek, whatnot because that's fullback separate. So that's the whole reason I did it is to squeeze somewhere off last time I did it I wear I kept one one myself of Wiedeman just wanted to look at a different angle but if I think if the steelers. Keep. Less guys what position than they're gonNA keep even more on that practice squad. But I'm GONNA pull Rowdy Roddy Piper on you just what you think you have the. I'm, GonNa Change the question. A show I know. I know and rather than ask the question. Of do the steelers having irreplaceable. Tight end on the roster. I'm GonNa ask you this question. Of the two main tight ends. For the steelers which one is, the is the most irreplaceable or is it a combination thing? So. For me I really think that. This year, the irreplaceable guy might be Eric Hebron. Just because of. What he is being brought in for because right now, he has been brought in to replace a guy that they think that they have one more year out of I mean no more years out of this is his swansong possibly for Vance McDonald. So he has been brought in on a two year deal to cover that with them expecting. Vance. McDonald to be possibly gone. In fact, I was looking at an article on bleacher report I don't know who put it out and they they put all thirty two teams. And the question was who the most, who's the one guy with the most likelihood to be traded for each team and of course I knew they were to go with Bud Dupree. But I'm also thinking if they see something they like out of one of these other guys in camp and they know they're gonNA lose Vance McDonald and they think they can get. A Nice draft pick out of them when I say Nice draft pick I'm thinking of fourth rounder. Maybe, they could sneak a third I doubt it. I don't know but I also see him being a candidate to be traded I. Doubt it but he would have been. He's one of your top two guys to be traded. So I think Vance Mc Donald is as talented as I think he is. You know with a salary cap issues they probably think he is on on his way out the door and this is his last go around here. So that's why Eric Iran is your irreplaceable steeler for this year. And this is fantastic because I get to give my answer anyway just to disagree with you, it's not just disagree with you. This was my answer in the first place and that is Vance McDonald and the reason I think it's Vince McDonald's is because he is a more complete tight end meaning when it comes to blocking Eric Braun is not known for his blocking. So. If you lose Vance McDonald and you're going to go with E. Braun is the guy you have out there all the time you're Kinda your when you take them off the field to put in someone else it's kind of. You're not going to get the same the same threat because even if it's act, Gentry is your next tight end. If you take e- out in place of Gentry. You're probably. Typically to run more, and if you're GonNa do that, you might as well bring in the jumbo linemen if you know what I mean because. Eric Brown I mean, you could you're just not gonNA get quite as much out of him because Vance's more complete in that way I'm GonNa say he's he's going to. Be the one that's more irreplaceable. Hey, what do you know Jeffrey Benedict One of our fellow podcasters said goes down you don't have Ibran in line blocking for Arby's if broncos you play chase capable more. See if clay polls ready. which hopefully will be. So that's the reason I want McDonald's because I, mean. We're talking about if if the standard if the standard the standard when it comes to tell you that that standard is Heath Miller what made he's Miller. So Great. Is that he was a complete titan complete he was the complete tight end and to me of the two I do think e is more of the passing threat weapon. Absolutely. But Vance McDonald is the more complete tight end and if you don't have a complete tight end. Ben To go along with that passing threat. You could be in trouble because notice even when Ibran. was in was an Indie. When he really broke out was who was there another tight end to? Jack Doyle. Dowse Clark said he was A to. Say. That was before him. Jack toils. John Van. That The through the wrong data out there. Okay. So that's why I would go there. But honestly it's a great question and I'm not saying ones right over the other I really not. But I could see the argument of the way it's it's what you're looking at. Are you looking at the steelers being more balancing when it comes to run and pass or you looking at them being that purely pass weapon great target in the Red Zone It's tricky but it's still funny. I still think people are like yeah. Yeah. Will get poached by someone you've got to understand. This it's going to be much easier in my opinion to get players on the practice squad issue ever before absolutely there's no preseason. There's no preseason to see what everyone has the only way you can evaluate players in practice so. You know for example, if they're like well, always off from gentry last year was one catch for four yards. Didn't see him in the preseason. Yeah. He's big but we really WANNA save fifty, three man roster spot for this guy that we have no idea about when the steelers would rather different with two tight ends rather than keep him. That's a big gamble for team. Don't know if they could if they couldn't. So. I'd say that though that they won't keep tight ends. I. Just I had to find something somewhere and that seemed to be a good spot for the time. Rather than offensive line again. That's not bad. So now remember there's five tight ends on the roster right now. and. You can name them correct Yeah Kevin Dax Raymond and Zach, Zach entry along with McDonald and Hebron. Good Mister. Bryant Davis, you did your homework for doing some homework. Yes. So and what's interesting is that will Jeffrey brought that up is. Chase Klay Pool might be you know even right off the bat wild to see could be could be an option to do similar things receiving is that heirarchy Bron does? So. that. Would that would be an interesting option if there's a problem there the biggest thing is, let's keep them both healthy. Right That's the king but that is what we're really looking at here. Yeah. You know in but that's where you've got to and I quote Lance Williams who's in the live chat now I just saw that I wanted to shout out I've got a quote lance because he just won't eat. He just did a shout out to my title and Larry David This is where you've got to curb your enthusiasm and don't to go crazy thinking that they are going to go nuts. Because they have the potential to go off but we've seen that injury bug hit these guys. We saw it last year and this is what makes one of these guys irreplaceable because we saw it with Nick Vernet being you're only guy last year for a game. and. It was basically like the other team will the defense was on a power play the entire time because you knew he was blocking and that's it. You knew he was not going to be an offensive option because when you bring a tight end and in that late. In the in the game and when I say in the game that's after week two. Week three. They're they're not getting acclimated and he did not get acclimated. Some people pick it up quick. Some people don't. Make Patrick. You not jumped on number even trained and he was ready to go but you know what? It's easier to come in as the safety and jump in. On that moving train. So, anything else you want to say about tight ends here, Brian before we. Start doing a little bit of Trivia. You know what? It is going to be very interesting and remember just don't worry about these guys breaking breaking the ceiling they don't have to break individual records. This is a team. This is the one year that they are so loaded with pass catchers. and. We talked about this earlier let these guys do it together and you get that thousand yards and not worry about if they're five hundred and five hundred with fifty balls of a piece that's one, hundred, thousand. That's what you're looking for every every single time. But there's going to be games where they don't show up. There on the field and they're doing their job, but they're not showing up because there's not a lot of balls to go round. Your I mean, does it really matter the number Jersey of the name of the back some I just can't believe the live chat is so in love with a fifth round pick, you know what? What generally has happened with steelers fifth round picks what apple with previous one one year on the active roster next year on the practice squad. End of their formula so I would just go on the steelers formula so. Can I don't think you could make it I'm just saying they got to do something to try to get that extra. Pick. Between I'M GONNA. Ask You this question if you had to pick between Zach, Gentry Jalen Samuels or Wendell smallwood who would you pick on the? Who would you pick on the roster? You can only take one out of those three. I'm kind of in love with smallwood right now. But I the third option there unless you want like skimp on offense Lineman or another position I don't want to get rid of Gentry but I think you could fashion you definitely could I want? Someone, who could be stashed gap and that's that's perfect. So I I agree with you. and. A lot of people. You Donald Disagrees with you and I I'm going to bring up job man because he's disagreeing with me I have no problem. Yeah. I mean you know I'm wrong a lot. I agree love Nowy I mean, I'm used to being wrong asked my wife but he says I believe that might have been worse something of Ben wasn't injured. No I still think that was a good trade bring them in that was fine but it was a situation where the reason he's was not going to be a pass catcher bringing them in that late it just wasn't going to happen especially with the young quarterback here and even even with Ben even then was there. How long did it take Vance McDonald to settle in when he came right before the fourth preseason game and did not play in the fourth preseason game in two thousand seventeen now he lit ben he and band towards the end of the two thousand seventeen season and especially in that that wildcard game that first round game against Jacksonville, he lit it up. I mean, he had over ten catches they were. They were together. They were good combination Burnett could have reached there. But what I'm saying there's nothing wrong with bringing. Veneta, in is just like he was he was not the guy to be your primary pass catcher. Like ought to be that's like putting Matt Spaeth in the starting role in saying he's your pass catcher. Yeah. That's that was you're not really having the primary offense. Yep He's GonNa do something for he's GonNa catch balls and help you. But that's more of a surprise that's more of a hey, we cut yet NAPN with the And it's so crazy because people were like, Oh, we have had that fifth round pick instead of a net you know what the steelers did. The steelers did exactly what everyone was crying for in the preseason we need to trae dogs for tight end. We need to trae Dobbs for tight end. That's what they did. They got a fifth round pick for jobs. Now it was a different fifth round pick traded because they traded boulter fifth round picks. So it didn't really matter which one it was, but they turn around the fifth round pick to the net. So in essence you traded you, you know all but traded Dobbs for Vernet which is what people wanted at least get something for Dob didn't try to get another tight end. So he kind of he filled a role there. But like you said, he was not brought in to be that number one guy that's going to go you know. Have have eight or ten targets at a game. That's just not what he was meant to do. It could be valuable but to your point, that's not why is Brandon Yeah? Thank you so. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. It's I'm telling you that tight end position is gonNA, come down to injuries. It really is you know can they stay healthy and? That's the NFL. That's every team every year you know that a lot of times it's the healthiest teams or teams that can over overcome those injuries that. That end up playing a lot more games. I agree so so Brian. Your some Trivia. I am yours is. I yeah. Sorry for that day. About your your seventeen. MINUTE TRIVIA Losses. This is actually a very easy one. So since one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six. The Pittsburgh steelers have selected tight ends. Four. Times. With the number one over an excuse me the number one pick not the first round. Pick the first round pick. Their number one pick. Excuse me. I do that all the time I was trying to say first overall pick and they've never done that. With their number one pick who were they? So seventy six okay well I could tell you for sure that it was. Everyone's favorite Heath Miller yeah. We have. Mark Bruener. By the way. Why didn't even realize? I am wearing a mark. You can see that. Very Rare I. Just I forgot I had just founded two minutes before the show. Is On. Tight tight end. What's Now you talking first round picks Eric, green? Yes and since you said some seventy six, that means we gotta go back. So this is the one I'm GONNA screw up. WAS IT Was Cunningham. It was the late Benny Cunningham. All Right I. got it and when you're talking Randy Grossman, it was randy. Grossman and Benny Cunningham did a pretty good job of being that two headed monster that I'm talking about with Vance McDonald and Eric Abraham. They were pretty good at in that rule. Yes, they were. No. Jay Riemersma Jersey bed says Donald Nolan. I would have gotten one. I would have worn. Roemer. Well, Donald also wanted to know what the other type of what other tight and they're gonNA keep it a practice squad Donald I got to leave something for the article you're just GonNa have to have to check out behind the curtain dot. Com and get that article there. I can't be given up all the secrets at one time but I. Did. Give up that that was my that was my crazy talk that I'm like, let's find a different spot where they could get an extra running back this time I had already done offensive line and I wasn't sure if I was going to go out receiver next time I'll probably do a different one I'll go to keep in three tight ends just just to give. Some different stuff. Are you ready for my trivia? Oh. Man I can't. Or. Mine's actually running back related because that was doing this for an article where I looked up something and I threw it in the article. So you probably have no idea what I'm talking about because you don't read my articles. None of team player. Since the merger post. Merger. The steelers. I'll say this Benny Snell junior is the sixth steelers running back who as a rookie. rushed. For. Who had more than one hundred rushing attempts had triple-digit rushing attempts in his rookie season he was the sixth one. Can you name the other five? Okay let's. Since the merger of course, we've got to go with Franco Harris Franco Harris that is correct and I'm going to go you can't go Rashard mendenhall because he got hurt that's correct in week four. So, let's go ahead and take a look at. Probably wrong on this one but let me go out on a limb has he played a good bit in nineteen ninety season. Berry Foster. Foster. Okay Barry Foster. had. Where whereas to do he had thirty six attempts that season? Thirty, six rushing attempts. So we are talking rookies here. I'm going to, I'm going to try with Amos's airway. It was not Amos's airway not Amos Amos. Getting. Mattel I gotta try to find him on here where Walter wait. Eighteen attempts his rookie year. Walter Abercrombie. No Man. I thought this was an easy one Bryan, watch our Aubrey. Walter Abercrombie had twenty one attempts. Okay. So you've got Franco hairs. Of did I say did I say Levian, Bell You did not say love your now we had two hundred and forty four. Most of a rookie. Okay. So you got three left. Byron. Bam Bam Morris One hundred, Ninety, eight attempts. To left. One should be easy. The other not so much. Oh Timmy Wurley Morley that should have been easy one because they had two first round picks that year you like talking about that all the time yeah. Oh. Yeah. I'm still mad about that. If you can't keep them, I'll give you the year. Nineteen eighty-four. Rich Ehrenberg in the ninth. Round Jim Hundred forty-seven selection. Rich Ehrenberg had a hundred and fifteen attempts for four hundred and five yards. He was in the ninth round and they took another. They took I, excuse me took another running back in the twelfth round that year by the name of Elton. So? Yes. Elton feels he had. He had thirty one attempts for eighty seven. Wow that's that's a lot more than I would figure but I just Tony just watched the broncos game. So EHRENBERG was one of my guys that that he he got a lot of attention yet. So that's that's really cold Richard Ehrenberg and as you know, the most attempts was by levy on bell the most yards only only steelers rookie to ever rush will since the merger I stopped there because who wants to go that far back drank only uber's yeah to have over a thousand yards as a rookie was Franko hairs. Incredible what a great question I like it I don't want me think now made you think you trying to go a little bit too obscure to start and everything that you were you almost vis the obvious wanted. Mr. Naked. Get Rob I almost busted out of Sidney. Thornton and Greg Hawthorne. Let's see where was. Greg Hawthorne You ready for that Twenty eight carries one, hundred, twenty, three yards. So well, he didn't have to because he was a number one draft pick in nineteen, seventy nine. and. You had bleier in you head. Sidney Thornton was still there and you had Franko Harrison. So he didn't really get a lot of lot of carries. He had Rick Moser there to do you want follow up question? Yeah. Hit Me. Here's one how about rookie running backs the steelers since the merger there's only five of them that had more than two touchdowns war more than two rushing touchdown season. Okay. Are there any are on this list? Yes, there is one that's not on this list. So could you get the four that were on the list? Of course Levy Love Bell Eight. Were definitely going to. Take Tim Worley tomorrow head five. He was from list and Franko Course Franco at ten. And the one that was on my head that I was. It's on my head and I just can't write down who we had. So Bam, Bam. Bam had seven. There's only one steelers rookie that one other steelers rookie that had more than two rushing touchdowns as as a rookie. Gary. Russell. No is not gary. Russell you. Ready Frank Simmers your hit is. Baby next time you go to the grocery store if you can find him. Merrill Hunch. Come on who you Here Mike Collier my call your head three touchdowns rookie in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five. Wasn't the I thought maybe. You're. There was a name like Jack Ham. No. You sorry, no. No because. My call you're actually you know. My son has worn his his super bowl ring. He put it on I told my son. That's great. That's fine. Next time you're super bowl ring you need or yourself. What a great thing to say at the time he was seven. Were all all four of pliers rings on my digits the picture. Yeah. I've got one with my dad wearing it but I lost a picture of great. That's great. So Brian, we're not going to do either or it's not the same without Jeff we're going to see him for next week. We're going to wrap it up here tonight. Anything else you gotta say that you want the podcast rundown? Yes. So coming up tomorrow, it's you guys have been asking for this in everybody loves the Canadian wonder. The kid and he told me this yesterday. He was apologizing to me yesterday about something else again I'm like. Well, you stop apologizing he's like I'm Canadian. It's my my nature. I, wake up in the morning. Sorry. I wake up in the morning every day I prayed Wayne Gretzky and then I do my ten apologies and that is the funniest thing I've ever heard but so everybody's been saying let's have the live. Mike let's have a solo Mike Beck show. And we've got the Solo Mike Beck show coming up again another edition of the live Mike and Mike was around before it had to are skipper on before it had He had chased Klay Poe. He's had some steeler fans but this is a show that he is going to be doing youtube show again and it's going to be pretty exciting then on. Saturday. One of the fan favorites here at bt Ese. Is One Anthony Duffy? which everybody loves Tony and I was told him the other day because he he won't believe his. He has no ego whatsoever. People don't understand that about Tony he has absolutely no ego and like. The live Chat Tony they would stab somebody in the throat for you as like what I'm like yes, they love you. 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Steelers Stat Geek: How this season will determine the Steelers comp picks in 2021

Behind the Steel Curtain

36:22 min | 11 months ago

Steelers Stat Geek: How this season will determine the Steelers comp picks in 2021

"Hits Steeler fans welcome back to another episode of Steeler staticky. This is behind the curtain co-editor Dave scofield coming at you again with some numbers or some basic explanations into number type things that can help you understand your Pittsburgh steelers just a little bit better before I dive into some things here for this week, I want to remind everybody to make sure that you are checking out our entire family of of podcast here behind the steel curtain. Dot Com. We've got the live youtube shows. Every day that then become podcast the following day. So. You have all of those. You've got the. Let's let's start. Mondays. Monday starts off with the steelers chew woody with Brian and Tony, which is very soon getting ready to roll into the steelers hangover, which is the. In season version of that show which boy that's exciting. We're almost there we're gonNA turn these things over Tuesday's. We, have the scarborough show with myself and my big brother Rich Wednesdays. We've just completed the final Beckett black for the off season we are heading into the regular season Wednesday night show with the same two characters of behind still curtain deputy editor Michael Beck and beat Ese writer Jeffrey Benedict, and they will be doing know your enemy which will be focusing on the steelers opponent that will be coming up that week. Then on Thursday night, you'll have the steelers preview, which is myself and Brian Anti Davis and Co editor. Jeff. We will be we'll be previewing upcoming game. Now, when I say what days these are coming out on these are these are the live youtube shows the podcast released the next morning. So that Thursday night preview becomes Friday morning. PODCAST. Then, then Friday night as of right now, we still have the live Mike coming at you. That might be a little bit of change up there I'm not exactly sure. Because we also have an have another audio only show that's could be coming on Saturdays the just started I'll get to that a little bit. More Youtube shows are. steelers brunch with Tony. With Tony. At around noon on Saturdays and then Sundays. As of right now, we still have some tales from two am coming at you from one Brian Davis but that shows getting ready to morph into an audio only show which is going to be the the steelers pre-game show I think it's audio only we'll have to see what's Brian has come up with that, and then what will be happening on Youtube will be the steelers postgame show, which will normally be a Sunday show after a Sunday game. Of course at the steelers don't play on Sunday, everything gets adjusted and we're right back at it for Monday again then we have the audio only shows coming at you. We've got let's ride with Jeff on Monday Wednesday Fridays you're listening to steelers staticky on Thursdays. We have the steelers show on Tuesdays, which might be changing up into something else for the for the regular season, and then we have our newest show to the family of podcast, which is steelers touchdown under or should say steelers touchdown under. That was terrible. That sounded more like Gosford doing then I did from Australia? which is our two I'll show you in counterparts And Matt that are doing. Audio only show that will be going on Saturday mornings. If you didn't check out last week's you gotta go back and check that out before you you. You listen to this week's just some some great stuff getting some perspective from the other side of the world but that's what we have coming at you. Hopefully, you all understand the lineup and everything before i. Dive into numbers. There's one more thing I gotTa talk about make sure not only are you checking behind the curtain dot com your one stop shop for all things Pittsburgh steelers that you get involved with our hopefully season-long contest we have going on for a signed Markey's pouncey football. We did it last year where we gave away a Sign David Decastro football the contest. Is Super Football we have it set up its through Yahoo you go in you sign up you get in the League you pick one team a very first week that team has to win if they win you move on to week to if they lose your out, that's your survivor. The thing is the team has to win tie but the other thing is once you pick team once you can't pick them again. So you picked the steelers to win their week one matchup against the New York. Giants, then you can't pick the steelers again for the rest of the season Once you're out, you're out and we go into, we get a winner and there's some of the rules to it a little bit later on in the season because of trying to make can find a winner with that. But that's all available within the article on the website at Ninety Curtain Dot Com make sure you get into that contest it was a lot of fun last year we had almost six hundred entries When we get to hundred in a league, we start another league and bring them altogether. So make sure you're getting in there and. It would be great if we can get even more people this year it costs nothing to enter. All you need is a Yahoo ID which is free to get and you're good to go. So what we're going to talk about here this morning. Is something that I had to dive into recently. To to look at some things for an article and the more dove into it and I saw how complex it was and how it took me such a long time to figure it out to where I could understand it myself. I thought you know. The average football fan probably has no idea how this works. And I'll be honest with you. Until recently I thought I knew a lot but they're still wasn't even four disclosure of how it works and that is the NFL system for determining compensatory draft picks in the NFL draft. If you're not sure what that is the way it works if teams. Lose more unrestricted. Free agents. Than what they went out and signed for other teams. They can at they are eligible to add. Another draft pick if it all falls right the thing that it really comes down to is, where is this going to be never way these work is there's no compensatory draft picks until the end of the third round. So assuming that every team has all their picks, nothing's been forfeited or taken away you're talking about thirty two picks in the first round another thirty two in the second round, which give you sixty, four, another thirty, two in the third round, which brings you up to ninety six. So the first possible compensatory draft pick. That is eligible. Unless. There's extenuating circumstances would be pick number ninety, seven of the NFL draft their third row capet story picks fourth round picks fifth round picks. So it's crazy because when you look at them by round. Where the third, the final third round Com pick false and the very first fourth round com pitfalls. That's thirty two picks apart because you have the entire fourth round inbetween there. So there's some pretty key cutoffs that happen with all this. Now, last year, just to do a little bit of history of this kind of explain the process and look at how it worked with the steelers is when the steelers failed to sign and he left via free agency Levy on bell after the two thousand, eighteen season even though he did not play the two thousand, eighteen season. Because of the whole holdout, not playing the franchise tag etcetera etcetera. The steelers were eligible to possibly get a compensatory draft pick it was based off of. Having to lose more players than the gained. And the salary is where it starts from of the of the deal that the player had when they left. So what had when this all happened people were thinking okay. We got levy on bail. He's going to bring a third round pick and he ended up he did an upbringing around company. I. Just ruined the end of the story for you but. If you follow the Pittsburgh steelers. You already know that the steelers have already made that pick and they chose Alex highsmith out of Charlotte's so which was actually their second pick they had in the draft. So how did that come about toward the steelers got that pick? Well, the first thing they had to do. was they had to? Actually lose. More players than what they gained. That became a problem partway through the year. It really did because at one point the steelers. Hadn't lost more than they gained because the steelers had lost three free agents. And they gained to the three they lost were Levian Bell Jesse James and Eljay Fort. The two that they gained were Steven Nelson. And Dante Moncrieff Now, the way the rules work is there's a deadline after the draft. Now it's the Monday after the draft for last year it was I think the second Tuesday after the draft, any free agent signed after then doesn't count so that was out of the picture. So. The problem with this is, is if the teams don't keep these players all the way up through, I think beyond the week tenets the cutoff is, is eleven going season if they're if they're released by then. They're taken out of this compensatory formula so although there's projections and everything going on, there is so much to this formula that isn't going to come to light until the season's over. So right now you can think about what you have for twenty twenty one, which we're going to do here after a while. But the problem is there's a lot that could change and the steelers realized this. I actually wrote an article about this. In Oh, my goodness I think it was may of last year May June sometime during the summer before training camp started to be like what happens if one of the free agents the steelers lost? Why if they get cuts what if they don't make the team? That means the steelers would be out of a third round pick unless they cut someone themselves one of their to and at the time, and I was one of those people like you don't cut one of those two you're going to get so much out of them than you would from a third round pick little. Did we know because what ended up happening was the Philadelphia Eagles? Released eljay fort in October of last year, which meant he's out of the formula even if someone else picks him up, doesn't matter he's out of the formula. So, he was picked up by the Baltimore Ravens and We'll just leave it at that. But he was gone. So the steelers didn't have a net loss they'd lost Levian balance, Jesse James, and they had gained Steven Nelson, and they moncrieff. So in order for the steelers to go back to having a a possible compensatory draft pick. They're going to have to cut one of those guys. Well, Steven Nelson should have been a pro bowl or last year although he was not. At. The what the steelers game Steven Nelson versus what they lost and Le Vian Bell also take Steven Nelson every time he's had a phenomenal year looking forward to see what he can do this season. So, what ended up happening was the steelers wisely cut Dante Moncrieff it just wasn't working out. He had had a hand injury and camp We heard all these great things in camping he got dinged up he had. A bunch of drops early on in the season ended up being an active for a bunch of games. It didn't make sense to continue to hold onto him. At the cost of a possible third round draft pick for someone that they weren't using. So the steelers released him basically at the deadline of when I needed to in order to still keep the cop pick. So that's how it all worked out last year. was. The steelers only had one net gain, which was Steven Nelson who was projected to be around fourth round gain. They had their two loss they had a third round loss from. From Levian Bell projected and a sixth round loss from Jesse James Well because Nelson was a fourth round loss. When you go to do the the cancellation, you can't cancel around higher unless there's no other options. Because everyone automatically cancels if you don't have more losses than gains, the cancellations. Point because you're not canceling anything, you're not eligible for the pick. So to cancel the fourth round pick, there is no fourth round pick to cancel that's equivalent. So you only move down rather than up. So you move down and cancel if he can't move down anymore, then you have to move up. So let's say if the steelers would have had to three round lot to third round losses and only a fourth-round gain, then that fourth row. Gain cancel a third round loss. Could you gotta cancel somebody but in this case, Nelson. canceled. James The steelers got third round pick for Levy on bell and the rest is history. We didn't know much about this process before were a lot of estimations and things that went into it but with a new collective bargaining agreement signed in March. They laid it out so much better and if you wanted to read all four hundred and some pages of this collective bargaining agreement, you could have seen that it was laid out over about five pages of it. I've read that those five pages I've read them extensively multiple times because it took that to try to understand office language. So I have a much better idea. Of how this plays out, so we're going to take a quick break and when we come back, I'll run through kind of how they determine these rounds in everything shed a little late on that and then look and see where the steelers are sitting for two thousand, twenty one as we know though a lot of things could happen but let's just we'll just go ahead and peak and see how that's going to be. So we'll talk about that when we're back right after this break. saw. Support for this podcast comes from cdw on technologies. CDW WG we get migrating your agency to a hyper converged infrastructure is challenging. WHOA slow down friend CDW JEEZ experts can help simplify your transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with Dell technology solutions that offer speed and agility. Isn't it under it orchestration by CDW J. People who get it find out more at cdw dot com slash deltec. And we are back. You were fans with the steelers stack. This is behind the steel curtain deputy editor deputy editor man I thought got over that finally co editor Dave Scofield coming at you. Probably just insulted Michael Back that I tried to take his title back. But we're talking compensatory draft. Let's look at what the new CBA has to say. The first thing you have to understand is this. The everyone starts with the contract they signed. That's what matters. Now, as I said before, they have to be an unrestricted free agent that was lost by their team. I didn't spell this out as well as I should have lost by their team. because. They did the the for the player was free to walk. If the if the team cuts player. Doesn't count. That is exactly why when the steelers signed. Mark. Barron last year. He did not count in this formula because he was released by his previous team his contract didn't expire. So it's gotta be an expiring. Contract situation. So the player goes somewhere else when their contract expires, they can get a compensatory draft pick. If, it all breaks down properly. Once. You figure out if you have that net loss which would allow you to get one it. All depends on what round and where everybody false. So this is what the new CBA spelled it out. I you have to be considered a CFA compensatory free agent. Now in order to be that you like I said, you have to have had your contract expire and not only that you have to be making a certain amount. Average per year in your contracts. If you're a player that only a one year deal and it's less than one point seven, five, billion per season teams can say, Oh, we're not gonNA count them and they they can do that and it's and it's really great that that that works out. But there's other things that come into this because a player door for this account is going to have to end up. The top thirty, five percent of salaries in the NFL. Well, right now, it's based on salary, but we'll see as we move on, they're going to have the top thirty five of everything combined. So for example, the steelers lost already burned his past year he signed a veteran minimum deal doesn't calculate into the compensatory formula. The steelers signed Stephan was new ski this year but because of the the low value of his contract, he's not A. He's not a compensatory free agent not coming into the equation because he didn't sign a large enough salary for it to count. So here's what's going to happen. They take every player in the NFL and rank them by their salary. At the end of the season. So you have to be a player that finished the season in the NFL. Rank your salary. and. Then let's say they rank them one to whatever number we'll make him number five hundred. The number if there was five hundred, the number one salary gets five hundred points number two salary gets four, hundred, ninety, nine points. The number three gets if there was seven hundred, eighty, seven players on this list, then the very top salary would be seven, eighty seven. The next will be seven eighty-six and I think you understand what I'm saying. So that's how these ranks go. You're you're you're awarded those points baked based on the inverse of your rank. So you rank them high to low you and then you number them. low to high. I think is the best way to say it. So that's the number. Every player starts with not just competitor free agents everybody in the NFL. So, then based on that number teams get can have players can have points added to them if they are a first team. All pro by either the AP. All PRO or the pro football writers association, which usually they're the same but not necessarily if it's one of them, the first thing you do at twenty points. So you got twenty points coming into that rank now. If not another thing that could happen is if you're. If. Pi. Pro Football Writers Association also has an all conference team. If a player makes that all conference team they get five points. Now, that's only if they didn't make all pro if you get the twenty point, you can't get the five. So that's one thing that got going for us. You can add twenty points for pro or five points four all conference then. The other thing that comes into play hugely. bigly say it. Plain. And it comes down to the number of snaps a player plays on offense or defense depending on which one they're designated. Now, there is an exception for for place kickers bring that up real quick after I do this. If, player in order to have any type of bonus points added onto this ranking. They would have to play at least twenty, five percent of the snaps. So. So. If you're, let's say it's a wide receiver they would have to play twenty five percent of the offensive snaps on the season. If they do less than that. No points are added if they do more than that. Each player gets a point for the percentage of snaps they played. So if someone plays, let's say, fifty seven percents of the snaps they would add fifty seven points to that ranking. So there are four time played. And more importantly, type missed becomes a very big factor in how things go and this is only the first year that this players been lost. By teams so That's the final thing that gets added to these wrecks. Now, just to say, there is a there is for a punter. Here's their special case. They get for a punter get one point for each punt attempted and an extra point for every punt that's downed inside the twenty yard. Line. For a field goal kicker a place kicker, they get two points for each field goal attempted and one point for each field goal made. So in other words two. Or three if it's good basically and they don't do anything for extra points so. That that's just how that works to kind of echo this out. Once these points are determined. Then, you have, you have everyone ranked by points. Then, you basically. Break them up into tears. You break them up where the top five percent of the league. That would that would be a third round pick. So you break it up into into into these groups by percentages. So we'll start with a third round anyone that's in the top five percent of the league. So if you have. A thousand players you're talking about the top fifty players. I'm just making up some of these numbers I don't know if these are accurate or not So any player that would be in the top fifty that was. Their instantly a third round pick. That's their value that they're giving now whether or not. Then you get into the cancellation and everything. So that's given their value. Show. Then for a fourth round pick, it's if you're between the five and ten percent. A fifth round pick is the top ten to top fifteen percents and then A. Six pick his fifteen to twenty five. That's got a ten percent range, and then for seventh round pick, it's twenty, five to thirty five, and then with less than thirty five is not qualified for a compensatory free agent, which is kind of like someone like Steph and was new ski. Why he doesn't qualify because his salary is tied up, that's going to put him into that top thirty five percent when it's all said and done. So you're saying, well, wait a sec get what if you sign up furlough deal? You gotTa to remember a lot of of the majority of players in the NFL are playing on a rookie contract or veteran minimum contract. So obviously, these players that are playing above that, and that's why these percentages just come into play. So that's how that that's felt out much more than it ever has before. So not only does the salary that a player signed come into play. So does their awards and they're playing time. So, when it comes to looking at the Pittsburgh steelers right now where they sit for twenty twenty one, the only thing that we know so far is the salary that these players half. That's it. Everything starts with just that knowing that that it's going to take to the end of the season for this figure out, we know the salary. and. Then the other thing we know is currently how they would you know. How many net losses you would have like right now, the steelers actually have five la five losses and to gains. So they have three of that loss of three right now, they could have as many as three compensatory draft picks. But they don't, and we'll talk about that here in just a second the five they lost were J von Hargrave. Sean Davis bj Finney Tyler Medicaid which and nick. Net. Anyone, else like already burns he wasn't enough to qualify. Their gains or Eric Hebron Derek. Because was new ski did not qualify. So right now the steelers could have three complex, but here's where it gets tricky. Based just on salary J hargrave right now is at a fourth round pick. Shawn Davis be and BJ. Finney were sixth round picks and Tyler Medicaid Nick Network seventh round picks. Of the gains that the steelers had Eric Hebron his salary sixth round pick. And Eric what was a seventh round pick? So that means? Each one of the sixes canceled one of the seven canceled. So the steelers were left with. Three, four, six, and a seven. Right now it's Eric E. Brown canceling Sean Davis and Derek Watt Canceling Tyler Medicaid rich. The only thing that's going to change these things right now is what happens if we have a repeat of two thousand nineteen? Of. These players gets cut. It's very possible especially when you're talking about salaries that are well, let's just say this gave hargrave that'd be crazy. They can't cut on her grave. But. Then you look at the the guys who you're talking like four million dollars annual value. Not as it's not as likely that they that they are definite to make the team. So. Let's look at some of these guys this this came up. Because we want to talk about, are they going to make the team and are they going to play a decent percentage of snaps? Let's just go. Let's hit the steelers to I that they gained Eric Hebron is going to make the team. He's GonNa play a decent number of snaps. He's healthy. Today go derek what he's going to make the team I don't know that he's gone. He's there. I don't see a way he's GonNa make twenty five percent of the steelers offensive snaps They've just never use the full that much. So I don't think he's his value is going to go up if anything it's going to go down. I. Don't know that it's going to be solo that he drops out of the equation, but it is possible. So, then if he turns around and win and makes makes a pro bowl on not pro bowl if you makes all conference or something of that. As a full back, then he would have some some more points thrown in there so. That's that's something interesting to remember with Derek Watt. But if we look at the players, the steelers lost the lodge Avon hargrave currently injured hoping play to start the season got some question marks there if he doesn't play. That hurts his Value. So if he so even though he's on the eagles, the steelers ranch should be hoping that jv grave plays a lot. And he has A. Fantastic season with the exception week five because that's what the Eagles traveled to. Heinz field. So that way he could maybe even possibly bump that up into a third round pick. Probably not going to happen, but it could. Sean Davis in Washington right now he's not projected to be the starter. They thought that he would be at first, but it doesn't appear that that's going to be. There's not a lot of news on him, but it doesn't seem like he's going to be the starter there, which is gonNa hurt that for all I know the redskins could cut him, which would which could take that away. So that's something you want to pay attention to if one of these guys get gets. Released on on, cut down day coming up here on Saturday bj Finney that was what kind of started me searching into all this bj Finney struggling in Seattle So much so that they what happened was. The. Seahawks cut their backup center from last year or someone who was in the mix there. And they brought him. bj Finney now it looks like. That another player is going to is is leading the way at the competition for center and I don't know that they signed up or not because I didn't get up updated roster from from them. 'cause I, mean it's bottom and stuff I'm focused on the steelers. The player that got cut from Seattle when they brought in Finney. That actually brought in for try out again. which according to the SBA nation site of the Seattle Seahawks, which is called field goals they say. Fini's either going to be in half million dollar backup or is going to be cut. So right now you're lookin' Finney could be cut. There's a good chance. He doesn't play very many snaps this year that could hurt his value that could drop him down or out. Then you've got to play like Tyler Medicaid, which he's not going to be climbing the charts because even with the steelers he wasn't playing defensive snaps he was playing special teams snaps and that's really what he's there for in Buffalo was well, he's a reserve linebacker. Taking a lot of special team snaps which doesn't come into play. Then, you have Nick Vernet who looks like he's going to be making the team in endeavor they like to carry a lot of tight ends from what I've what I've researched with him He's probably sitting there at number two or number three right now because they did draft another tight end this year, and then they they drafted no fan last year at pick number twenty that they that they received when they when they traded out of the ten. Spot for the steelers to get Devon Brush. So he's going to be in the mixed there, but I don't know that he's going to get enough snaps to qualify and he's barely hold on as a seventh round pick right now. So those are some names you Kinda WanNa maybe pay attention to, and you know if you hear good things, don't think about all the steelers lost these guys out. Oh, this could really help the compensatory formula but right now. The way it stands as finish up here to give you a rundown of how it all falls because Sean Davis's canceled. We'll start John Hargrave fees a fourth fourth round. Pick right now according to over the Cap Dot Com they have been projected without the playing time stuff that he would be. The third fourth round. Compensatory draft pick and that there were two four, six third round picks because you've got players like Philip Rivers Tom Brady. Byron Jones, Jack, Haukeland Fowler, and Teddy Bridgewater with all of their their salaries that they were all up in that top five percent. So, then you've got a sixth round pick coming well Sean Davis canceled and you had bj fifty right now on the list, and this is something to remember is that they only award thirty two compensatory draft picks in the NFL each year if there's not thirty two possible ones, then they start awarding them to who would have been the next the next team to draft like the team that would have been first overall second overall but that's not a problem this year this year right now projected they don't even get to the seventh round with compensatory draft picks because bj Finney is a six round pick is projected as the number thirty one pick. so He's right there barely holding on and looking like he could possibly be cut war. My have enough playing time to really help his cause could drop him down his value and then the steelers seventh round pick as I said, they aren't even getting that far because of everyone else. So there could be other things going on around the league that would really affect us if players get released and change the numbers with all with all the stuff. But right now, even though the steelers have a have a net loss of three, they're really there's a good chance they alien with one compensatory draft pick in twenty twenty one. So these are things to watch because see if Sean Davis would happen to be cut in. Washington. Then bj Finney gets canceled out by Eric Hebron it's very interesting and constantly moving and people like to know what it is and It pretty complex basically with how everything works. So I hope that gave you some better understanding of how the system works. There's there's still some misconceptions that people have like when like with the whole thing with L. J. Fort Getting cut they thought that would affect what round the steelers got pick doesn't affect the round they didn't have a net loss they were either going to have a pick or they weren't going to have to pick the are either going to get that third round pick or they were going to get nothing. So if too many of these players get cut or don't qualify the next thing you know Guys you know that steelers don't have a net loss and they don't get to pick you know what? It's good to know. It's good to see these former stuff players are doing and everything else but at the same time. Let's focus on twenty twenty. We'll let the twenty twenty draft fall out. How it may but as we're heading into the season before we get into stuff that we can dive into every week, I just thought it would be something fun to look at because the last thing we want to do is have to be burdened with it throughout the season when we have so much more to talk about. So thank you for tuning in here today. 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I'm good. I'm good. I'm very excited. Very very happy. You that? I was being different. But it's good. I've you're happy. What listen we're week thirteen. You'll even start of week thirteen we have what four weeks ago five full weeks ago but four weeks if you don't play into week seventeen for your fantasy, right? Right. Right. Right. I intend to fully just phone in week seventeen. I'm sure I have content to do. But I'm just letting everyone know so you're gonna more than normal. Well, here's the thing. I should say if you say that your phone again in and take you. If you stay to the ba- can do about it and Mike clay this year as good morning, Mike morning. Good to be here the week off last week. So it's nice to be back here. Looking like, very refreshed your happiness morning. The short week we had the short week two. And last night. I was able to start booking my fast passes for Disney was looking forward to the off season as well. Say, you know, your dad when like, you know. Yes. No, no, no. No, no. It's like one time hang on hang on hand. That's when you know, you're nerdy debt. I mean, like, let's be clear like taking your kids at Disneyland or Disney World that's being a dad. Right. When you're in. 'cause I know your schedule a similar to mine, which has you're not free till at least January. Yes. So the earliest you guys are going to DisneyWorld is at some point in January. And I'm guessing knowing that your oldest daughter is in school. I'm guessing you're not going to probably like February break if I figured this out correctly. It's not during a not necessarily your how for sure. Bad bad, dad, you're taking him out of school take him out of the education system that we're gonna we'll learn. But anyway, whatever so, you know, doing your fast passes months in advance, by the way, super smart yet kind of nerdy. Let's be honest. Let's what did you book your book, your avatar ride is? Of course, we got that. And you know, Toy Story will at least I don't have a spreadsheet with it all mapped out with the dates, and yes, I do. He's got an excel spreadsheet with like, your your wife man is. So unbelievably patient. It's amazing. She is. On LAC sT an angel among women. Your wife is. Pharmacy news from the nationals. Interest in. Got to figure out just how nerdy Klay gets here. Have you? All right. So you gotta you gotta just Halloween came next year. Discount cards asked. He's got he's got an exile spreadsheet of of all the different rides. He wants to do at DisneyWorld going to DisneyWorld or Disneyland. Disney World DisneyWorld she going to Florida. And he's got it on excel spreadsheet have you done projections on the wait times of the rides that you're not able to get to have you been able to like, and you know, what? And and expedition Everest is you know, one hundred and thirty four feet from the rapid river ride. So we can make that in ten minutes. Like if you figured that out yet to listen, here's the thing. You you need a good sample size to do that. If the last two years, so I think after three times I'll have some good good data here. Good feet. I can start working on that. So great. I've don't don't pretend like you don't want that data when you want it you want I fully cop to it. I'm a Disney freak. I absolutely love DisneyWorld. And the only thing better than going to this new world is taking young children. Now, we go and and seeing seeing that world through there is it's it's just it is truly magic and in Komi company, man. But that's like that's legit. I I'd go there. I'd go there every weekend about Disney that just gravitates towards the fantasy. Unity or vice versa. Isn't Ryan McDowell's wife rhyming. Dow does a great content on Twitter, I leave. She helps plan. Disney vacations for family. She does he's reach out a few times, the definitely if if you're going to help check in and by the way, the last time we gave Ryan shout out. He deemed me the last time we gave Ryan a shoutout. We got his Twitter handle wrong. So I wanna make sure we get it is at Ryan, Mick Twenty-three. So Ryan MC Twenty-three at Ryan MC Twenty-three. And if you need some Disney help, obviously, then there you go. His his his wife can hook you up. Let's get right game last night. The Texans win their eighth straight there. Now. Eight and three thirty four seventeen is the final and the Shawn Watson can t he rolled along last night only twenty four passing attempts and yet twenty nine point four fantasy points in large part because he got sixteen point thirteen points. Excuse me with his legs. We've seen a little bit. More of Watson running the football of late is eighth game with at least five rushing attempts. So far this season. He was one of the stories, but how about Lamar Miller. And let's talk about this tightened down yet tight eight point at some point tennis. I mean, it's a Monday night game. You're playing a division rival you're in the playoff hunt for them though. And like show up. Well, here's the thing. They didn't even show up field. And how weird is their schedule been so far this year. Remember a couple weeks ago they go back to back wins in Dallas over the Cowboys to win thirty four to ten dominating win. And you're like tighten up tighten them. And then last they get smacked by the colts. Thirty eight to ten thirty four seventeen tightened down titan way down. My way up. It's it's like, it's it's the ghost. Jeff Fisher still hasn't left the building. Just very like. About what the now you've crossed the line. Stop it, by the way, that should be a ride at Disney that goes to Jeff Fisher, just it's very it. Just here's what there's no curves. It's just it's just it's it's just a ride. That's very like down the middle. Like that's all it is like not as low, but it's not low. It's not fast coaching interview this off season because you know, he's going to get one Brown school. What am I going to do in? Jeff Fisher shows up here to be our panelists. NFL y. No, yeah. Anyone? The fantasy impact your Lamar Miller last night ran pretty effectively especially on one run ninety seven yard run second in as many years. Lamar Miller that was one of the most that was a turning point in the game. Go for a fourth and one the hand the ball off to Luke's talk. If you're wondering who that is it's tight end I ever carry. They get stuffed on the very next play. Lamar Miller scores a ninety seven yard run very impressive run right there. I gotta tell you. What though? And I'm not trying to be a sucker here. The most impressive part of that run a Dory. Jackson nearly caught Lamar saw that fifteen yards behind. Now is not the most impressive run of the game. It was John Smith is our running every mental. The middle who knew Jonah Smith had those kind of wheel big receiver. I mean, I guess we just haven't seen that in the pros yet that kind of like, I like grant who was I knew he was a great athlete. I didn't get those kind of wheels. Perfectly honest, probably the part in the Texas is going to generate the most questions, we'll turn our page are turn a focus of the titans in just a moment is what to do with these receivers to Maria's Thomas. Four catches thirty eight yards and two touchdowns. Meanwhile, Cutie two for fourteen actually leaves the game very late on before we move on there. Just in terms of Lamar Miller really quickly that run was really impressive. But, you know, Lamar Miller averaging over sixteen points a game or it was last five like I mean, so we were talking so much about deonte format. Do you think we see the Portman at all this year, or even if he is if we do if he's any kind of fantasy factor like I feel like Lamar Miller like every every time you think Lamar Miller is going to be dead. Lamar Miller comes he's a fantasy vampire is what he is. Is he just he won't he won't go down back down. He's like, Tom petty. He's just. I'm sitting here about about a Lamar Miller. Like, I I wouldn't. I I don't think you will. Because a couple of reasons first of all Miller is running. Well, yes, they have their back cornerback. Alfred bloom. Yeah. Actually one hundred fifteen carries this year, and he had more touches than Miller did last night in that game. So he's pretty heavily involved as well. I will say this. Oh, this is Miller's first fantasy week this season better than twelve. It's his first top ten. He's just finished eight. So I don't wanna get too nuts about his fantasy value. Still just like a backhand Earthlife. Yeah. I was gonna say he's the definition of an Rb to. Yeah. It was like the textbook definition of an Rb to like there's not a lot of upside. But Kennedy there's not a lot of downside as long as the Texans are reasonably in the game. Because there there's a decent amount of all your with him weaken week out is just one of those weird things where like I will cop to it. I had Lamar Miller on the hate list this week, obviously, a bad call there. But one of the reasons why is because the titans at least prior to last night. Don't give up big plays. Like, yeah. I mean like they didn't. I mean, we had a we had a low projection on him as well. And so it for him to get a ninety seven yard. Ron was I think the most surprising play one of the most surprising place of seeing this year. Let alone last night. So in this game as well. I mentioned KiKi Cutie two for fourteen gets banged up very very late in the game. But various Thomas who had zero catches week before had four catches for thirty eight yards and two touchdowns. It's I'm still getting used to seeing him in the eighty seven has posted the Eighty-eight in Houston as opposed to Denver to we make anything of it. Because I think what I'm what I'm going to say is this is like we're having this conversation during the pre show meeting is like, maybe the reality is this with five weeks left to go. Are we sure that we're going to be able to accurately forecast who the non de'andre Hopkins Houston Texans wide receiver that you wanna play his? No. But here's what I will say I want to say one quick thing. Want to give a shout out to our buddy? Mike clay. He's running one. Well, I know, but I wanna talk about it ends up. He's not here. Quickly Sunday morning Sunday morning fantasy football. Now, the wide receiver cornerback matchup section. He highlighted the Mary Thomas as having an excellent match up and send it I know. It was. Brutal the week before. But this is just a terrific match up here. And obviously you're already starting to Andre Hopkins. But love the matchup for both Hopkins and Thomas, so nice, call Mike that guy is smart that guy. Nice call there that I appreciate you should absolutely watch fantasy full now. And then and then immediately shut it off as soon as Mike is off this. Yeah. So anyway, so great call there. But I feel like Mike I feel like to me this was this was more an aspect of that matchup. I mean, he has he has a great game in the to touch on. It's still only five targets. He still has only one game with more than sixty three receiving yards this year. It's his first game with multi downs since week fifteen of twenty fifteen so it just it's it's a great game. And if you had the guts to start with you listened to Mike on Sunday morning, and you put them in your lineup. Great. You'll love it. I just don't know that yet you can count on this. And if KiKi were to miss time, if there's injuries more serious than we think than okay, but assuming KiKi Cutie is back next week. I think I still prefer Cutie. Yeah. And I just saw something cross and social suggests that will probably play. So it's something to keep in mind for next week. Obviously, we'll we'll watch status throughout the week. I will say this. They only had was a twenty four pass attempts in this game. So there wasn't. There wasn't a lot of volume to go around still they combined Thomas and Hopkins combined for eleven of the twenty four targets almost half of them. That's good. If they throw more passes, which normally they will that will that will need to see that sort of target share. But keep this in mind. This is something that bothers me with these guys can you expect a lot of touchdown production from a guy like Thomas. Well, just Shawn Watson. He's thrown exactly one touchdown in five games. He's don't exactly too in five games. And then he had that one bizarre game where he threw five. Right. So the passing touchdowns. I mean, all but one game he's been at two or one passing touchdowns. That's not very much dividing that up. Obviously, you know Hopkins is going to get hit whatever's left over as being divided by KiKi Cutie into Maria's Thomas Thomas and Ryan Griffin. And those guys will get some touchdowns. I think it's a nice game. But in terms of fantasy Intel going forward, I think both are risky place for me. It's more about cutting into KiKi cuties potential who I was very excited about coming into this game versus you know, Damaris Thomas, suddenly being guess, he's a must start. I don't. Don't believe that to be the case for the titans. Seventeen points could have been more left points on the field last night despite a fantasy effective night from Marcus mariota three hundred and three passing yards two passing touchdowns. Corey Davis with twenty three point five points. It could have been much more the very first driving long defensive pass interference play but can ask her too much more at a Corey Davis four for ninety six and a touchdown. I'm going to quickly mention this because Mike is talked about the matches record Davis seemingly every week. So far the seasons. Go back to that cornerback wide receiver matchup. Well, mike. It gets so much easier for him going forward. Yeah. No question. The schedule is much lighter. There's a couple of mix Jacksonville mixed in there. Even they're giving up a ton too wide receivers as of late as well. But he will draw at the Jalen Ramsey shadow. Otherwise, it's pretty clean sailing for him down the stretch. So he has had again, we've talked about this million times. He's had a tough match-up. And almost all of this starts this season. And you've seen that in the fantasy production. The targets are down the past two weeks a little bit. That's a little bit of a concern as long as the match ups are good. Do you know he'll be efficient as long as Marcus mariota is putting in a spot where you can catch the ball. He'll be fine. One a good things about being to this point of the season with no more teams on a by is that when you go and look at Ross stat totals. You don't have to do it on a by game. Played the same number of games. No one has thrown fewer passes this year, then Tennessee titans. So your point about like the targets being down for Davis is like if they're down for him, and you can't possibly count on anybody else in this passing offense in Tennessee. Despite what we saw from who Smith last night a long touchdown that you talked about earlier, Matthew. Yeah. I mean Jonah Smith is suddenly like he scored his scored in three of the four. I mean, so when you sit here, and you talk about well, he's a touchdown dependent tight, and that's pretty much all of them like outside your top five or six guys. It's pretty much all of them. And so if you're sitting hearing loss, Jack Doyle, you're sitting here looking around for somebody do do I think John Smith is in that tied into touchdown dependent guy that you can that you can start and I don't wanna see start with confidence. But somebody that you can say like, hey, this guy. Has a shot at a touchdown. I mean, so many of our titans in vanity this year are just basically you need them to pay off with a score. And so here's a guy that is getting some looks playing the jets this week. That's not a match up that scares you obviously just saw what gronk did last week. I mean, so yeah, I do think there's something a little bit viable to Jonah Smith. He's still not getting a ton of targets. But he is finding the endzone here. You heard Mike mentioned Marcus mariota. And I think that's important too. Like I was down on Corey Davis coming to this game earlier in the earlier in the week. But that's because my expectation was blamed gabbert was going to be starting. Yeah. 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Just two quick thing by the way on Deontay formats because it literally popped up on the on the time line is Sarah barshop who covers Texans forces a nice job here at ESPN dot com. Tweet the Bill O'Brien said running back Deontay form it is doing better. But I don't think he's all the way back. The Texans opened the twenty one day practice window on men on November fourteenth. So they've got now eight days left to make a decision off of on Deontay former and whether activated with the activity fifty three men roster to really quickly before we get into that just knowing we just talked about the game. I just want to quickly update pigskin pick them. Okay. While we're here. Yes. Sure. This week Matthew berry myself. Well, actually, I got mad Graham myself both had nine wins. This we done Matthew has ninety two total for the year. I've got eighty nine coming in second place this week with Stefan, you she got eight correct games field you at seven and not Keith and Kyle both had six dude. So. Season-long standings right now. Our Matthew myself, not cool Keith with eighty six field with eighty four to eighty three and Kyle with eighty two all I to last separated by ten games, which is a lot. But also when you're picking against the spread could be made up in a week. If somebody gets hot they have an opportunity to crash this party's hundred percent, okay. I feel like he just issue the challenge. The Gauntlett has been laid down by Daniel Dopp to me. We got a ton news a ton of news on a Tuesday beginning Jacksonville where a couple of things happen. We can get through the short part of it. Which is Blake Bortles was bench for Cody Kessler, guys. Does this really make a difference? Mike it all for the past catchers and Jacksonville. Blake Bortles had been bad. Cody Kessler like he's a backup quarterback for a recent. No, maybe it helps out a little MPR because Kessler is known for his conservative play. So as long as they throw some bubble screens Dede Westbrook or short passes, the Dede Westbrook or really just Dede Westbrook is I think that's the only guy we you could even consider fear. Flex maybe Dante Moncrieff, but I'd be a little nervous with him working more down the field. I don't know that they're going to score much. They already haven't this season with or does in there. So really, it's just if you're looking for a flex maybe you take that shot indeedy, but with no teams onto by anymore. Hopefully, you don't have to do that. I would try to stay away. Stay away a team. Yeah. General however at running back that is not the case. But Matthew Leonard fournette was suspended yesterday for one game for going Mike Tyson against shack Lawson on Sunday afternoon in buffalo early Mike Tyson early, Mike Tyson. Yeah. When he was still a good fighter. Matthew, Leonard fournette another game. Mrs frustrating Carlos Hyde, I presume would be the next man up is he the run running back for the Jaguars you the most conference starting this week. No, I mean. Look, I don't know that I have confidence in a lot of them. I mean once once a four net went out of the game, by the way, I believe it was four touches for Yeldan four touches for hide. So yeah. Both those guys, you know, sort of right there. Right. So I don't know. It's. It's not a it's not a game that I feel great about why am I blanking on who? They're playing this week the Jaguars tackled. So you thank you. Thank you. So the culture decent the colts are a decent run defense. Okay. So far this year. Right. They are. They're actually ninth against the run over the last four weeks. So my expectation is honestly is is you here. Mike talk about these two running backs here. I wonder if you see more Yeldan, my speculation is the colts can can can score them. Yeltsin's had more time with a team more pass catchers think I'll probably have Yeltsin ranked higher than hide hide probably has the better shot at a touchdown here. But I think just in terms of how that game sort of plays out, given the fact that I don't think was very good. I think there's a chance we could turn the ball over. I think the colts will be able to score on the Jaguars. So the pipeline from behind so in a game in which is evenly split and just knowing the way customer place quarterback. I think you'll see more dump off to Yeldan. I mean Hidesato pass catcher as well. I'm curious Mike where you have these guys projected, I don't think I have Tana confidence in either guy because I do think it's going to be a true running back by committee here. But if you asked me to pick one, I'll say TJ yelled. Yeah. Have you held in nineteen in early ranks hide at thirty four. I think hide very much like Jordan Howard. You're just hoping. You use him for two touchdowns. And here's the other thing to consider when four net has played this year at the Jags have been super run heavy just like last season when he is not played they had been on the other end of the planet. They have been super super pass heavy that very well could be the case with four net out. I guess my question is this. This is the first time that Carlos Hyde probably will be the unquestioned power back on this roster because Leonard fournette obviously has been playing I think hide had one game at one game for net actually returned. That was when he did not fairly nothing Jacksonville. Yeah. Part of me wonders is like, hey, this is part of the reason why they traded for him is that like in the event that for net is around not around. It should say we can utilize Carlos Hyde in a Leonard fournette light role. Right. And that you're going to your backup quarterback it kind of get back to the basics this week. Do they attempt to inferior to the Jaguars went to run the heck out of the football this week to stay competitive and try to overwhelm the Jaguars at home. The last time these two times these two teeth. Lead into got up early fourteen seventy at the end of the first quarter. Maybe Jacksonville thinks this is the reason why I have hide a little bit ahead of TJ Yeldan right now this we're gonna try to grind this one out. We wanna be the Jaguars of twenty seventeen in week thirteen of twenty eighteen and we won't Carlos how to carry it twenty times for one hundred seven yard touchdown. Yeah. By the way, if they don't use high like that why did you make the trade? It'll be the worst trade of the year by far. Well, the other thing is though, you know, Nathaniel Hackett along with all the Fornet news isn't the thing you'll hack of their offense coordinator fired. Right. Yeah. So we don't know sort of the play calling tendencies either. So it's I mean, it's it's a lot up in the air. There's a lot of unknown until you think about a week thirteen game. Where a lot of people are in sort of a win and get in scenario where you need to win this week. And so we'll find out if Leonard fournette playing or not, right? He is he is planning to appeal. That's the we'll find out by Wednesday. But he's. What's the case to make? You know, I said his best case his best way to appeal the James thrash and whoever else it, I think it would be James thrash is a Troy Vincent to is appealing to would be like, you know, of you to start me and fantasy this week. And if I don't play you're screwed. Let me see your team. You don't have Hider yelled, and you, and I think I think the argument would be and I'm not saying it's a it's it's going to be successful. But my expectation is is that the argument would be is that if you think about the president of like Mike Evans who last year through a punch got ojected from the game. I think that was the saints game right through punch. Gotta check from the game was not suspended the next week. And the argument was he already quote missed a game. He got a jacket from the game. So that I think would be the argument that Leonard fournette will make I'm I'm making this up entirely. I've not spoken to anyone from Leonard fournette camp or anything like that. But I'm just assuming that like because this is one of the reasons why we talked a little bit yesterday. But like, I'm not sure for not get suspended because again now he was more physical than Evans was than this took place. You know, it continue. You'd onto the hallway or whatever the tunnel. If you will. But he got a jacket from the game. So we missed part of the game. He's already quote unquote been punished, and maybe they they throw in another fine or something like that. So I think that might be the argument that will be the best case scenario four Leonard fournette other running back news Rex Burkhead for the patriots has been activated to the fifty thousand. Anyway, I'm sorry. Let me just finish that thought which is on that point. Which is it's a week thirteen and in a week thirteen you may not have a better option. But boy, oh, boy, you know, infanticide. We just talked about all the time in terms of trying to minimize risk and trying to when you're in a situation with a backup quarterback a new offense coordinator and a running back by committee that we in a match up. They don't think is great. It's it's so many unknowns could one of them have a huge game, of course, one of them could. But it's just boy is it's going to be one of those how lucky feel if you're going to be starting one of these guys Rex Burkhead has been activated to the fifty three men roster by the patriots. Which of course, he missed at least eight games because of that next slash concussion. Issue. Rex Burkhead very talented player. The patriots now have three very talented running backs in this backfield. So Michael start with you again. Is one between Sony Michelle and James white their value impacted more by this birkhead news, or what does he trickle down impact for birkhead? Yeah. I think it's similar for both. I think we're moving him down both probably about five spots. I mean, James White's already trending down a little bit. You look at his targets nine point one per game from weeks one through eight down to six point seven the pass three game. Some of that has been Sony Michelle healthy and back in the mix some of its Cordell Patterson being mixed in. No, I will say this Patterson only six of his twenty snap scheme at running back this past week. So I don't think we have to worry too much about him. It's really these three guys. I looked back to week two, by the way, that's the only game where all three of those guys were healthy other. Now granted it was not Michelle's first game. But James white thirty four snaps Wrexham Michelle, basically split this nap. So I think if you have Michelle your little more worried because he doesn't do his six catches this season that week of that that's a concern. I mean, if he's not out there when they're when they're throwing the football and his carries come down by five or six game. That's a problem. I mean that pushes him into Jordan. And Howard air plumbing, kerryon Johnson Zao Carlos high territory. That's that's not good. That's going to hurt you. And so I'm definitely more concerned for Michelle than an for James white. Honestly, I'm I think I think Rex Burkhead is more about draining the value of those two guys than he is having any standalone fantasy value himself barring injury to either Michelle or white. I think you'll see him play some special team snaps as well. Right. So, you know, it's look Rex Burkhead should be rostered, especially if you have white or Michelle just because it's the patriots. And if something could happen, we've already seen Sony. Michelle get a little bit banged up this year. But I think I can't imagine starting Rex Burkhead this week. And I would agree that I think especially when you think about the fact they play Minnesota this week. Both guys are sort of in terms of Michelle and white basically running back to, you know, lower end running news in this one, right? Who knows? With Bill ballot. Check you might play forty snaps this week. We're birkhead like you just so no feel him to the days of us ranking James wide as a top ten player at running back for now are probably not upon us. But it might be that Haymond Michelle still slot into those top what's called sixteen to eighteen spots. A Jack Doyle this. This is a surprise. Because of a kidney issue is done for the year. Jack Doyle was out snap by air. Ibran forty six to thirty six on Sunday and was in part because Doyle left the game in the fourth quarter. We didn't know what the issue was at the time is now headed to injured reserve, which means that for all those people that how tough with Eric Hebron and said, no you guys are morons. He's gonna keep scoring touchdowns. Well, you know, something you're lucky because now he's going to be a big factor in this offense going forward. Eric Hebron now has what twelve total touchdowns already this season. He's got eleven. Well, I think it has plus one rushing rushing touchdown. Yes. All right told hush Brown eleven receiving touchdowns ridiculous tied with tyreek hill and Antonio Brown. That's the a crazy NFL. Season. There may not be any stat crazier than the fact that through week twelve the leaders in receiving touchdowns are tyreek hill Antonio Brown, and Eric Iran with eleven a piece I can think of four tight ends that I would want over Eric on the rest of the season. Okay. Tried to Kelsey, obviously Zakar. Yep. Usually George kill gronk. Yeah. I think gronk converse. I know from recession kit list to. Yeah. I would say three you can make a case for top three. Yeah. You could you could given how much they target the tight end. How well Andrew luck is playing this here. The the fact that his competition is now like, you know, mo- alley Cox and Eric swoop. You know? Yeah. I mean, they they don't have a lot else there. So Eric Ibran or as the hassle Bex constantly, call him to me, Eric eb, Ron right right there like LeBron Bron because you know, he put up thirty minutes. But he's the reason that has managed to beat me and fantasy. This year. So. I mean, I you definitely top five make an argument for top three. He's right there in that mix in so guy who has you know, seven targets or touchdown in ten of eleven games this year. And we, you know, we know the colts know throw to the titans much any team in the NFL. Mike mentioned earlier that Shawn Watson has one game this year with more than two passing touchdowns. Andrew luck is currently on a skit of eight I guess not a skid a streak eight straight games with at least three passing touchdowns this offense thing well oiled and fifty six percent of those touchdown passes from angel. Luck have gone too tight ends this year more than half of those touchdown passes. We know how many thrown more than half of them go to tight ends. And now most of them are going to go to Eric Brown. Ed. Ed is so last last you must be really proud Daniel just as a Detroit Lions fan, you know, spending that top ten pick on Eric Hebron. I hadn't you know in just. I just wanted to. I just wanna ask Daniel just if you know one pride, right? I mean, it's just like because once a line always, and right and just, you know, all those classic great years in Detroit. And then seeing him for, you know, a rental regional rival, if you will let me tell you why let me tell you. I am excited forum. What's air Hebron was set up for failure? Being a top ten draft. Pick was his failure for being a top ten draft pick or just by going to the lions and by being top ten draft a tight end if you are not the next coming of Tony Gonzales or. Yeah. Or George Kittle, right? You're not going to be worth that top ten pick. But like for him to be able to get out of Detroit. He had massive amounts of pressure there. Like the fan base was not thrilled with him. You know, good for him to be able to go here. The reason they were not thrilled with them is because he kept dropping everything didn't like that part of his job was. Do that just gets? I'm glad the kid has got some confidence. Again. I I will say this. I know Matt having fun with Daniel. Yeah. Some of the lamest inside. I've seen out there is like, yeah. The lions really screwed up by cutting Eric Hebron, there was complete unanimity on the front that like they had to trade in analysis. They want to take them for a bag of peanuts. If they could when they to trade him, and everyone was okay with it. Then everyone understood maybe Andrew looks just a better quarterback can get him the ball better. So that he can catch it better. I'm just saying. I about like, listen everybody agrees with that point the point. We're making is that it's so lay people are like. Yeah. And alliance idiots. Again. Right. And I would agree a hundred. I'm just having fun with Daniel. I mean, like they gave Eric they gave Eric Abraham eb. Ron right? They gave Ed Brown every possible chances succeed. I mean, they really did. And to your point. Yes, Andrew luck is a better quarterback Matthew Stafford enter looks better quarterback than most quarterbacks in the NFL. I don't think that's on Matthew Stafford right say he's not as good as Andrew luck. And yes, and that is a tight end friendly offense to be to be honest. I mean, like I haven't looked at it close enough to know whether Eric Hebron's playing well, he's playing well and fantasy because of the way that often to set up and he's going out of touch down eleven John's is good no matter whether it's fantasy reality. But I'm just you know, I don't know that he's I'm a Saint. He is I'm telling you he is playing well fifteen endzone targets leads the NFL crates. Yeah. Volumes of you know, we just talked about the lines. Let's keep it right there. Marvin Jones officially done for the season with a knee injury. He's on. I r it's now two games in of him missing with this knee injury. So we kind of know what the offense looks like Kenny. Kenny galleries value. I don't know that. It's really here's where it's changed. Is there was that rut he went into them three game rut where he had like seven targets. He's now out of that rut, he's clearly heavily volume d- heavily targeted week-to-week for the lions like he's a low in receiver to. Yeah. I was curious if they would move him into kind of with Jones out of their kind of into a Mike Evans or clear number one target. You're pushing for thirty percent. And the answer is yes, it's target. Here's your thirty three percent. Forty percent. And twenty two percent. The three games that Jones has missed. He's wide receiver seventeen on the season. And that was with Jones out there and golden Tate out there for much of the season. And I think he's top fifteen the rest of the season. He's a stud. He's a big player that can score touchdowns. And he's you know, it's an offense. It's going to have to throw. Yeah. Player. You know? It's an up and down schedule the rest away Rams this week. Then at Arizona love both those match ups here at buffalo, you figure shadow from today's white then home to Minnesota figures are shadowy roads than at Green Bay. And you like that and week seventeen so week fifteen and sixteen might be a little bit tough Kenny golladay you lower expectations there. But I will say that I agree with you, Mike, and that I think he's now must start territory the rest of the with like, no, maybe prior to the Jones injury. He was on that border line, depending on the match up depending on who else you had kind of thing. But now, I think even in games where he's going to be facing like roads or white. You're still starting and they'll drop Peterson in there too against Harrison. But if you're right, you don't you think they'll yes. Shadow hill question. Okay. Thirty six targets over the past three games for Kenny golladay, including Twenty-three since that Marvin Jones injury in those two games. One last thing on that particular thing, I think this is an uptick in value per THEO Riddick as well. I mean, so you know, I know we saw a lot of. Geir blunt on thanksgiving here. And we'll, you know, maybe we'll get carry on Johnson back this week or well. But I think with the lack of pass what Bruce Ellington TJ Jones. I mean, I think you're going to see a lot of I think he'll riddick's going to have a very solid floor week in week out in PR leave. So if carry on Johnson returns, correct, I do believe so just because they just don't they just don't have a lot of guys waiver wire for foreshadow. Yes. Just putting the cart before the horse here. Matthew berry and adult in is also out for the year tore thumb ligaments on that play when the center just airmailed his shotgun snap. He went back retreat. Attorney catch the ball or to to recover the football football. I should say he ends up tearing, ligaments he's out for the year jeffer- school stepped in and had some great garbage time production. So let's say they ended. I'm sorry. AJ green returned at some point here sooner. You're still trying to start Tyler Boyd week tweak. What is Jeff Driscoll mean for this Bengals offense, Mike, I don't think it means much. I mean, I think it's going to be a slight downgrade most likely, however, it might not. Jeff Driscoll could be a thing. I mean, this is third year. He was a late round flyer. I he had high pedigree. I mean, the guy was the quarterback at Florida. He moved on to Louisiana tech had a very good season. There believe Carlos Henderson was his top receiver that season. And then he comes to the NFL. And this kind of waved a couple of times in his work in his way up. He earned the number two job in Cincinnati. There could be something here. He's a young quarterback. That's going to get a real shot here. So don't be surprised if he's at the very least competent and can keep guys like AJ green and Tyler Boyd fantasy relevant and move the ball enough that Joe mixing get scoring chance east, very possible, and awesome athlete. Yes. Adds value nasal I five forty four five six forty at the NFL combine he is going to be able to scramble his way, it's not quite Lamar Jackson level. But I'm just like he might be in terms of starting quarterbacks one of the ten most athletic players right now in the NFL. So there's at least a floor there. I don't know that any of us advocate for him as a quarterback league deeper league. I I would agree that I don't think it's, you know, I don't think it's a massive drop off from Pedo, the value dollar bullied or Jay, green, etc. But you know, it's interesting you bring that up. I brought this up on Twitter and people thought it was crazy. But I wonder if we've seen the last of AJ green is result of this. Because the Bengals are now five and six and so while mathematically they're still alive in the playoff hunt. The truth is is that the really competing for that last AFC wildcard spot. Right, right. The Steelers are going to win this. The ravens won last week. So my expectation is is that the Bengals. Are taking a real honest look at themselves. They're not making the playoffs this year. They just put their starting quarterback on I r and so why rush your franchise player back in a law season. You're over thirty year old franchise players season who coming into this year had played all sixteen games as two of the last four. So it's not going to be two of the last five with this season as well. Like, don't you think it makes sense to shut AJ green down for the year? Not when you're coaching for your job is just going to say that. Yeah. Exactly Marvin Lewis in like, you don't have the string is no longer. There is no more leash. You got to win games. And I know the Bengals have been relentlessly loaded Marvin Lewis, but he knows everybody knows I know Hugh Jackson's their waiting in the wings. So my point is this is like what you said makes sense. I think also that huge huge ex- you already got me thinking about Marvin Lewis is going to be coaching for his job going forward, and mathematically they're not eliminated and that right? There is enough to if he is healthy, by the way, the players also competitive, right? Like he wants to be out understand. I understand. All of that. But I also think by the way like I don't know if I if I'm the general manager of that team. I'm like owner or the cares about the bottom line and cares about it's the most unique dynamic in the NFL by far the Bengals have the weirdest organizational structure, maybe an all of pro sports, but they want to sell tickets. They wanted to have people there. They wanna win some games and Marvin Lewis needs to win games to keep his job. So I think what you're saying makes a lot of logic. I also think that went and if he's healthy he's back into the lineup. We shall we shall see especially. But by the way, if they lose this week, you know, anyway, we'll see if eliminated like host the Broncos this weekend chargers raiders Browns. The Steelers to wrap things I know fantasy players are hoping desperately that AJ green combat either as somebody just as a human being. Got it down. Personally. I love seem come back. I mean, it he's healthy. But he's not when he's healthy. I think he's so talented the league deserve see players like AJ green on the field. If he is healthy enough to be on the field with a quick break and come back and talk about some waiver wire ads you're about to create the next ball hawk citing in Madden NFL nineteen because with more control on and off the gridiron you'll define your team's outcome because when the lights come on. It's the decisions you made before the snap that determine what happens between the whistles. And what happens between the whistles is. How franchises are built? And when you're on the biggest stage, it's about the moment and doing whatever it takes to hoist that trophy and men nineteen you make the plays. The win you games. Get up to fifty percent off Madden. NFL nineteen for a limited time, conditions and restrictions apply. Visit EA sports dot com slash Madden deals. All right now for this week's ZipRecruiter smarter. Spain of the week. Hey, this is let's Cassara ZipRecruiter. Smartest fan of leak, and you guys are all my favorite cast members of those six oh one. Now, I'm not going to be snarky about it. You guys agreed. And now back to the show. Wow. Yes, right. You is just premiered for us. Thanks. Right show. Yeah. Being one didn't want to be super super snarky about it. So I'm not. You know, that was the Bill Barham. Oh, zipper. The Bill Barnwell Zip Recruiter as fan the week. The smartest fan the week. That makes a lot now life make more sense. I'm going to lead us into the waiver wire common then handed over to my Bertie kind of serve as your host for a few moments. Lamar Jackson quarterback. Baltimore Ravens still available in fifty point nine percent of leagues in two weeks. As a starter? He's got twenty five points as a runner eleven point one point as a passer, but the former is more important than the ladder. He had just eleven carries in week twelve I'd say just very gratuitously. Right. I mean if that's the floor for Lamar Jackson, wits, seventy one rushing art. It's clear that it may not be pretty when you watch it. But is going to be fine. When the box score emerges at the end of that game in a match up against the Atlanta Falcons. If there was ever an opportunity for the passing to come around visit because the falcons can't cover anybody, Mike. Yeah. No question in just like the raiders last week. We talked about how they were bad against quarterbacks and running backs which set a perfectly for Lamar Jackson the. The falcons are the exact same thing. They've been atrocious against both running backs and quarterbacks. So it's on the road this time. So we'll be as I rode start. But obviously playing against the struggling defense. We'll see if Dan Jones plays this game for Atlanta that could is an eel a little bit be nice to see him back on the field. I think he will play to when he was close for thanksgiving. So that's interesting. He's finished QB three excuse me QB thirteen both week. So he's been kind of a fringe QB one. I don't know. I I don't view them as a top twelve guy. He's fringe. I'm starting to mature QB leagues. But you're looking for upside looking for a home run. He's an option. Matthew wanna take me to the next one here Prescott and the cows Cowboys. I think I know you've had a lot of say about him this week. I saw him as one of your waiver wire ads yesterday DAT. Correct. Fifty six point four percent of leagues I feel like we've talked about him for quite some time like Amari Cooper came over. We looked at the schedule saying, hey, we think this is something that's going to happen quite a bit field. It's had a rushing touchdown in three straight games. He's available in a lot of leagues and goes into a potential shootout this week with the same. I'm a little bit nervous. I'm a little bit nervous about this game becoming a runaway freight train in the sense. Just finding a way to neutralize Dak Prescott in the same way that they neutralize Matt Ryan. And Carson Wentz over the past two weeks Ryan through for a ton of yards. Obviously touchdowns. Weren't there enough bulk but Dak Prescott has been much more efficient and five touchdowns in his past six games on the ground that part certainly helps. Yeah. It certainly does in by the way, I think that Prescott. And I've said this before I've said this for a couple of weeks before I think he's a viable top twelve quarterback not just this week. But for the rest of the season, I mean, look at their upcoming schedule home to the saints this week Thursday night. Okay. Then home to Philadelphia, which is a secondary. That's just been decimated. Right at Indianapolis in week fifteen. That's not a matchup scares. You would think that's probably a high scoring game home to Tampa Bay in week sixteen and then for those that play in week seventeen. They're out the giants like that's a really nice schedule and the Amari Cooper trade. You know, as we sort of talk about you know, win. Loses. We talk about the hide trade. Like that doesn't make a ton of sense. Like, the Amari Cooper trade has certainly been everything Dallas hoped for and more in terms of opening up that offense in terms of allowing more running lanes for not just act, but for Zeke Elliott has well stretching the field and and giving the Cowboys a true home run threat. He has been very good. My biggest concern with deck is still not a great thrower of the football. Yeah. Yeah. It was just going to add that he has not thrown for more than two touchdowns in a game this season. He's averaging one point two passing touchdowns per game. That were that worries me, you know, he doesn't have that that high passing ceiling. Well, listen, and it's not it's not an offense. That's really efficient. It's not an offensive tie volume. I mean, it's it's a team that likes to grind it out. And they have significant injuries on their offensive line as well. So you know, I get all that. But the argument and one of the reasons I as anti-death coming into season, and those were all those reasons, plus I wasn't sure that the rushing would continue. But here's a guy that has a rushing touchdown as I said in three straight games and in five. Last six and by the way, the saints are one of the worst teams in the NFL in terms of defending running Cornerbacks this year. So I do believe the rushing. It depends on sort of how you feel about Dax rushing ability. But I do actually think the rushing keeps us floor reasonably high last one here is big. I mean, if you'll make it quick he's got multiple passing touchdowns in five straight games. The match ups are Baker Mayfield get decidedly more difficult than they have been Leah over the past six weeks or so, but if you're going to add Baker Mayfield for eight to quarterback league, perhaps streaming option when the match ups are right? You are banking on the talents. Because Baker Mayfield has looked red hot of late over seventy percent completion percentage over his past five games. Just in fun to watch Baker Mayfield. Yep. And I'll add if you're true we mentioned Driscoll as well. I think if you're truly desperate you're an crazy deep league Driscoll and also say Colt McCoy as we talked about yesterday, and you can think of a Homer but against the eagles and that secondary. He hasn't had any time with the ones he's going to get a bunch of time. Time since last Thursday with the ones look similar. Lamar Jackson was be pretty. But do I think Koba quite can put up fifteen to seventeen points on Monday night. I do I'm d- I want to see the scar. Again. Very quinn. 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The Subaru share the love event now through January second and exploring the waiver wire is brought to you by the all new three row Subaru is sent love is now bigger than ever. And guys do my eyes. Deceive me or do a pair of Detroit Lions make this list. Yeah, they do Daniel and one of them. I actually feel confident in which is theoretically we've discussed on a couple of occasions already in the show still available in sixty two point eight percent of leagues it's got twenty five twenty five catches over his past four games. Pretty simple math theory. If you played a full sixteen game season that's a one hundred catch pace there for Riddick. Matthew just mentioned the uptick in volume is likely to see the Garrett blonde is kind of one of those cover your eyes when you put him in the lineup, but he had the perfectly Garrett blunt game this past Thursday against the bears. Nineteen Russia's eighty eight yards two touchdowns. The problem was he had sixteen yards on twenty one carries in the four games prior to that. It's a very good match up. If you're looking merely at run rush defense stats for the rain. Teams in week thirteen. The problem is what are the chances? The Rams are up seventeen nothing before we even blink on Sunday, which basically renders the gear blunt as nothing more than touchdown dependent. Theoretic remains the lines running back that I wished to I I would wish to roster week to week. And obviously, the value of blunts just evaporates entirely if carry on Johnson plays this Sunday. Yeah. No question. If you start blunt, you're kinda hoping Kenny golladay catches along passing. It's tackled at the one yard line. I mean, that's your. That's your best your best argument points there. So I'm with you. I mean, I like Riddick for sure I mean, either way if carry on's back, I think he is in value. Look at his weekly finishes since he's been back from injury twenty two twenty four twenty eight twenty one he only has three carries. But he is twenty-five catches its second most running back during the span. So he's a high floor and a fringe Rb two right now four of us remaining five games against fences that rank fifteenth or worse in the bottom half of the league, basically in terms of completion percentage two opposing running back. Let's get to handcuffs. Handcuffs are really important this time of the year with by weeks behind us. You have players that you're not saving. You're not saying I I can't I can't afford to drop my top tight ends because I might lose him on the waiver wire or I can stick with Harrison butter for an extra week because I really love is my kicker or not raw string to defenses. But maybe you are. But the point is this you have some roster flexibility. And we got the unfortunate reality does on Sunday of the importance of handcuff running backs. When Melvin Gordon got hurt. He's now week-to-week by the way, I think we kind of Baird the lead there and not mentioning that earlier on in the show, but he's week to week with an MC L injury. Which of course, there's just Austin actor now Austin Mettler does not qualify for the waiver wire call if he did he'd be a top ad by farthest right around fifty five percent by percents. Yeah. But I think Austin echo or has everyone potential, Mike. No question. I haven't top ten this week. I mean you look back to the game. Melvin Gordon missed in London. And chargers only ran to believe it was forty eight plays in that game. But twelve of the sixteen carries by. The chargers or Austin? He also had seven targets in that game. It was almost thirty percent share. So it was a bizarre low volume game. But Eckel was clearly the work. We're so I think he plays a gigantic role pushes for twenty touches. He's been outstanding and his grease averaging over five yards per carry both of his seasons. He set up nicely for a huge game here. I like him a lot you know there. There has been some talk be interesting to see how this plays out. And I have equa ahead of Justin Jackson, who I know. Also makes your list here field. But be interesting to see how the chargers running back situation. Plays out. I know that game in London where Gordon was out sort of a last second scratch, and it was it was the Austin echo show. But now knowing that they're going to be without him for multiple weeks. Do you see more Justin Jackson who you know as good as equa has been. There's a little bit of a smaller back. It'd be interesting to see how much work. Justin Jackson, guys, I've seen some people's Justin. I'm not saying I agree with us. But I'm just putting it out there that I have seen some people suggest that Justin Jackson takes over Gordon. Role in Ecuador sorta remains in the same role. I would be surprised surprised it would be too. But I'm just putting that theory out there that I don't think it's a I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility. Like, I said I have equa ranked ahead of Jackson right now. As far from the information, I have. But I do think Jackson gets involved. I don't think it's going to be all the Austin equa show on Sunday and going forward Todd Gurley. Obviously tremendous player for the Rams. He has been the fantasy MVP this year. He is currently deal with an ankle issue though. Sean MC face it. It's going to be one hundred percent by the time. They play on Sunday that being said, Malcolm Brown will be the next man up in my opinion. If you had to choose one Rams running back we'd have seen him play a decent amount. We saw on this past Monday night when early needed a bit of a breather in that marathon game against the Kansas City Chiefs, the Rams ravaging elite high five point four red zone drives per game. That's more than any team over the past fifteen years by over half a drive. So a lot of value in this offense, obviously points are likely to come by. Here's where it gets trickier, though is saquon Barkley. New York Giants. Unbelievable. Plays a ton. I think the swing Goeman last week. And obviously there's a lot of disagreements with the giants to rest saquon Barkley for a drive in the third quarter against the eagles this past week. But it was Wayne gaughman not Jonathan Stewart the problem, which is not very good anymore. Right. He's just not ineffective football player at this juncture of his career. Goldman was an excellent pass catching back at Clemson needs to cruiser that no I'm Stewart even on the team. And he he's he's designated for return. He's not back though. Right. Is that he could be back. Yeah. If this of Edward happened. Understood God I but I'm yes gaughman would. No, I would think gaughman with the guy Goldman's not saquon Barkley, and I'm not saying Malcolm Brown is Todd Gurley. But I do think there's enough talent and Malcolm Brown and Canley enough talent and the rest of the Rams offense, and Sean McVeigh's playcalling than Malcolm Brown would become a number a top ten running back. If girly were to go down. I'm not convinced the same happens with Wayne gaughman, given the rest of the skill position players in New York. Yeah. I mean, I'm certainly would be my sort of take my thought on the the Rams is we have three headed committee. They've just David John Kelly whose a super intrigue liking Elia lot. Kelly kick come in have a couple of big place in the next thing. You know, we're all like Malcolm Brown becomes Jamal Williamson. We're like why is he on the field put in John Kelly? We're going to see the Aaron Jones that they have this explosive player that can happen very quickly. So that would be my red flag. Why I don't think Brown is a guy you necessarily have to hold. I think there are better handcuffed options out there. Well, one of them might be Kareem. Hunt for the Kansas City. Chiefs behind Spencer where we've seen Kareem hunt thing in the past in two thousand sixteen he had over nine hundred rushing yards in every game later that year. You said hunt. Sorry. Yeah. Yes. Seen spent to wear be a thing before two thousand sixteen he had over nine hundred rushing yards five total touchdowns, and I gave you and that's thirty three catches of productive in the passing game as well. Damian Williams is still on the roster for the Kansas City Chiefs. But I think Spencer ware is most likely to absorb that Kareem hunt esque role and the chiefs obviously rolling as well seven point. Oh, five yards per play this season final one here that I think we can mention and the full list of top ten handcuffs Irv able on today's waiver wire column is James Connor if he goes down, I think it's Jalen Samuels in Pittsburgh. We've seen him play a little bit more of late. So fullback slash tight end slash running back in college at NC state, really versatile player. Good in the passing game. Stephen really, probably get some carries here too. But Samuels is a much better player than Steven. Ridley he would seem to be the next man up in Pittsburgh. No question. I think that was the plan when they brought him any as very kind of David Johnson like feel to him just the way, you know, he's like a borderline each back. He could catch the ball. Extremely welded. That a ton at the college level he could want it. So caught more Baltin college than he had actual rushing at him. Right. Yep. I mean. Yeah. So very intriguing area. Yeah. So he will be the next man up there. But philosophically, let's talk about this quickly is like just the idea of handcuffs. So people are saying like, all right? I'm adding a handcuff whom I dropping it's one thing. If you have a second kick, you don't need to kickers. But they're probably be some players that are like backup wide receivers for you look at what point do you draw the line of? Okay. This player is more valuable to me, this backup running back is a handcuff then for example, Dede Westbrook or any Jaguars wide receiver. Sure. How you find that line? I think it's a process that you go through and you basically say what play at the scenario? Okay. So like, you know in the case of Malcolm Brown. Yep. Let's pretend Todd Gurley for some reason as playing, and we know Malcolm Brown's the guy am I starting Malcolm Brown over to this person. You know, like so this person can't make the lineup. Is there any scenario in which this person makes my starting lineup like Leshan McCoy? Okay. Like does Leshan. Like, are you starting Malcolm Brown it? Let's pretend you're in. And you don't have Shawn McCoy you never starting him. And then you're like if Todd Gurley goes down my starting Malcolm Brown Leshan McCoy starting Malcolm Brown. Feel free to drop Leshan McCoy who are a backup in for a handcuff in that scenario. I'm just giving you an example, right terms. And in terms of does this player ever make your starting lineup. Yes. That's how I would do it. I mean, you guys can it can talk about it. But you only have limited. You have a limited roster spots. He maybe you're saving defense that you have for like this. This defense is a great match of a week fifteen. So you might be carrying two defenses here. But to me, I think wide receivers the obvious place to go because there's so much depth position. If you suddenly have a need there's Pali an easier way to go grab one off the waiver wire. Same. Honestly with quarterback. You know, like you probably don't need to carry two quarterbacks at this at this juncture, assuming you have a good one. And if you're heading into the play of chance start you have a good one. Yeah. Ideally, one quarterback one tight end one defense one kicker at this. Right. Depend, you know, there could be some exceptions there. If you have a lot of talent like if you have George Kibble, and you know, like you drafted Kelsey and you picked up kit on the, you know, something like nationally. I think McCoy's probably a little over the line for me. Right. But that's exactly what everything else. You said is is accurate. I mean, guys like Kenny stills Dede Westbrook is that are on the end of your bench who are your six than you know, your you're six running back online or six wide receiver who's never gonna play barring major injury issues to you're starting lineup. You don't need those guys. You can pick up. Some guys you mentioned and field. You mentioned your waiver wire com is a great list in there all the top running backs in their handcuff, rod Smits and other guy. He's been downloading on and off my Rosser all season long. Those are guys that can win you championships. If someone gets injured, so I'd say players line might be like younger receivers, you talked about the sub. The the number the robust number of receivers that are available like how about a Markaz Valdez scaling. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye guys thought could become things that had flashes. This year. Could certainly be comfortable dropping either one of those those types of players chase Edmunds would be a guy by the way in twins another go Giovanni Bernard, by the way, if something were to happen to mix and now the Bernard's back. So those are some guys that has a real quick question. What do you do if you don't roster any of these running backs, but the handcuff is still out there on the waiver wire? I mean is there any don't have Todd Gurley. But Malcolm Brown is out there. Right. Like is. It should you. Would you say employees the same strategy? You look at your roster. If I'm never going to start this guy over, you know, Malcolm Brown gets hurt. It's I know it's not my handcuff. But I'm potentially stopping someone else that I can meet in the playoffs. Is that is that a strategy that you guys would employ? I got no problem with it. Yeah. I do that year round. I mean, especially on I mentioned this earlier. It's a lot of fun with you. Yeah. Like Sunday morning. If a guy goes on iron, I have an IRA slot and throw them on there. I'm going rate to look for the backup for running back. That's playing that day. Because if twenty minutes later, Zeke goes down and hurt and you've already got. Or whatever. Right. That just saves you pretty much your entire fab or waiver spot. And you know, you have an Rb two or one the next week. Yeah. Don't question you should do that year. It's a lottery ticket in that scenario. You don't have Todd Gurley. But you're picking up Malcolm Brown. It's just a lottery taken it all depends upon roster construction there is there is a chance where sometimes I've seen teams where people get to cute, and they dropped somebody that could potentially be productive form for Malcolm Brown that has no value whatsoever. Unless something were to happen to girly or whatever they clench, and then you know, they're gonna rest girly in week sixteen or seventeen something like that. But yeah, I don't have an issue with it to feels. Yeah. I mean, I have. I'm no issue with you know, playing playing defense as it were like if you if the way you're looking at quarterback in a week like Daniel did recently. I I thought it was I listen I gave him a lot of grief about it. But I never said it was a wrong move. You know, and I if there was collusion across the lead to do something. But like I was a blocking strategy to be able to get a win that week. Yes. I thought I thought I didn't think it was a particularly bright move because of who else was out there, and because you had other needs correct? But I didn't have an issue with it. And I gave you crap about it because that's our relationship. But I didn't think it was like I quote illegal move as it were totally. Yeah. Good stuff. There can't overstate the importance of handcuff running back this time of the year, especially the right players to handcuff one waiver wire add amongst wide receivers trae Kwan Smith still available in a bunch of leaks. I know he missed last week's game that actually might help you find trae Kwan Smith on the waiver wire this week. We do not know for play on Thursday against the Cowboys. But if you're looking for an upside add like, let's say he goes crazy again on Thursday. I'm just telling you the ship have sailed right past you. This is your window to add someone like trae quantum myth. All right as usual Wednesday. Mike back with us hanging out. 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FTP Ep. # 182: Andrew Luck's Retirement and Where Do We Go From Here

Fantasy Throwdown Podcast

1:02:31 hr | 2 years ago

FTP Ep. # 182: Andrew Luck's Retirement and Where Do We Go From Here

"Welcome to the fantasy throwdown podcast bringing you. The latest sports news fantasy analysis and opinions don't forget the hot takes can have a sports. Show widow takes these days. What about hotcakes hotcakes now. Here's your host ready to jump into the thick of things dwayne calendar topping born folks facet throwdown podcast. I'm your host wayne gallagher. I got cam on the line here because cam is getting all set for his big fantasy football draft and of course we have major news breaking last night with the retirement of andrew luck and a possible a._c._l. Injury for lamar miller of the houston texans so i'll so help out cam here with some of his questions coming into what he should do with his upcoming draft this morning but realistically i wanna get into one item. That really rubbed me the wrong way. First of all for andrew luck he made the decision asian to retire. He told a select number of colts management that he was going to retire. Within the span of ninety minutes a conversation that took place before seven pm local time yesterday so that would have been six six o'clock eastern time within the span of ninety minutes word started circulating within the colts organization to andrew look retiring at a got out to the media so that by the time the game kicked off at eight fifteen news was already hitting media. Basically you got shefty an adam schefter e._s._p._n. Reporting the andrew luck is scheduling adjoining to retire at three p._m. Eastern time today that he was scheduling a press conference to retire that news got out during the game so that by the time everything got leaked the poll plan was for andrew lucked to announce the new swiss teammates after after the preseason game last night then had the press conference deeming make it to the <hes> the post game press conference because jabber say and i firmly believe this came from jim irsay because again if i'm telling my coach i mean if i'm telling because that even in even come down to the coach. This literally came from the owner and the g._m. and yeah. I don't think it's going to leak the news at my star. Quarterback is retiring because i gotta make some moves to get a q._b. The bring in the backup jacoby percent this came from jim mercy throwing hissy fit over andrew luck retiring and for those of you who are going to complain that andrew luck screw the colts franchise franchise. Let me read off the injuries that andrew luck has dealt with and his conversation in the heat he like he he actually did a good thing because you never knew when injury love was gonna play yeah but oh you but literally here's the list of injuries for andrew luck over the past six seasons to torn cartilage in his rib partially torn abdomen at least one report concussion most of the time with n._f._l. Players you go probably triple that number elaborated kidney then less than peeing blood the torn labor them that costume an entire n._f._l. Season with sold a shoulder surgery and he's still recovering effects of that because you never get your full range of motion back after that you had to retrain how your shoulder works and and now a calf ankles your dentist persisted for because the first sign of the calf issue came up back in may this this was like late april early. May it's been months with this issue that somehow bled into becoming coming a ankle issue that the reason why i had andrew luck as a bus potential candidates here was whatever an injury like that is persisting assisting for this long. Usually it's located at such a part of the area where between the calf that it's such little blood flow that you know the reason why people were in the colts organization warriors even suggesting the fact that it could be kevin durant situation is that it's probably so low down. He couldn't recover adequately so for everyone who's bitching and moaning about the timing think of andrew luck announcement. The man was trying to come back. He literally said that the toll of trying to constantly be in rehab tab for four plus years was enough that you know he was so miserable with his job those better to walk away then try and a half ass it and just collect the paycheck to make you feel happy about your football team every sunday you know the thing that drives me absolutely insane with few and beings is the fact that whenever people get hurt. Everyone always asks how you doing how you feeling good. You know nothing's bothering you like and they always talk about the injury. They don't talk about all the other stuff that you have to do to make your self function normally like just get through a day let alone multiple years of having dealing with injuries like i totally get where andrew looks come. <hes> you know at a certain point in your head a you're sick and tired of people asking you how you feeling. Maybe it's hard to put the work in and then especially especially in a field where it is high hazard and you don't know what's going to happen to you in an n._f._l. Landscape of how you're going to get injured next because nothing's nothing's ever guaranteed that at age twenty nine when you banked over seventy million dollars and you still got a ton of money left in the bank why seriously seriously why are you even pushing yourself at that point if you know your body just is not responding to the treatment and you don't trust the people that are treating you. This is not a case of he's being solved. This is a case of he came back. Multiple multiple times in the body just will not respond the way he wants to. It wants to have it respond. I mean this is on the colts for those saying that andrew luck screwed the colts no call screwed andrew luck because yeah they gave him the money but guess what they never gained the offensive line to actually protect him and you know what he made the conscious decision that yeah i'll take the ridicule from people and oh so classy about the colts fan blowing the man off the sideline right and what is probably the lowest moment of his entire life having announcer retirement not because he is fo fully prepared to lead the game. He wasn't prepared to leave the game. It's just the fact that he knew his art of arts. He could not give one one hundred percent to the game anymore and when you're a person that's a perfectionist like that. That's a hard thing admit to yourself that you know oh. You can't give one hundred percent anymore because you're constantly hurt and you know it would be better off for yourself and everyone else involved if you didn't half ass it that that is like having a ball actually be able to say that is commendable because ninety nine percent of the people in the world probably take take the paycheck and half facet to collect a couple more dollars along the way so for all of those who wants to say that he's a millennial or soft. I honestly i wanna tell you to go bleep yourself but that will be to kind. It just drives me nuts. I honestly can't it's almost as though people forget what the what he's actually been through the last couple of years and they don't don't see all the stuff that goes into winning. You're not on the camera when they don't see you in the office. All the time spent in rehab all the times ties when you can you can barely get out of bed like they don't know that toll of playing sports like that. That's what always drives see now to a people they always want to do armchair quarterbacking when they've never actually played sports at a decent level of because because half the time most people like never play sports beyond peewee football or little league baseball pisses me off but it's the one thing that always drives me nuts when like yeah there were guys you know or half assing it. This is not a case of a guy half assing it. He literally just said you know what trump trying to constantly rehab. It's like like i've mentally i've mentally checked out into into a place where i'm not in a good space me trying to keep doing this is is is diminishing returns. That's the best thing he can do for the colts because he could easily strung out another three four years of not giving one hundred one hundred percent effort collect some more money because when you retire yeah you you they say the n._f._l. Contracts are guarantee but the costs are going to claw back axelrod guaranteed money. There's no doubt about that. You know the way how petty jim mercedes he absolutely is going to claw back some of that guaranteed money but it's like listen to people on twitter bitching mode about retire before draft no he was trying to rehab you prick doc. I right and i know you had some things you wanna talk about for a fantasy purposes so i'm gonna get down to some <hes> do a little break down the obviously not having luck around changes the fantasy approach a bit but i i estimate the biggest thing that i kept saying about this is the fact that you know the the quarterback position as a whole is so volatile that you know it makes little to no sense to reach for quarterback not named patty moans and the simple fact that matters even mahomes homes. I still only have mahomes as a on the tail end of the top fifty overall picks just because of unless it's is at six point touchdown lead your value of of getting from a quarterback is so much less leverage than getting and more wide receivers and running backs jess to have in case of injury or lack of production coming out of those skill. Oh positions than you would from quarterback drop off. Quarterbacks is so much more than all the other positions that it really isn't worth it to try to to reach for a q._b.'s not named patrick mahomes and even mahomes. I still have further behind an antibody elsa for most quarterback ranking so komo even though most people were probably going to overreact and reach for quarterback earlier you stay the course you keep waiting for quarterback doc passed round nine or ten and if every other <hes> team has drafted a q._b. Then you can draft a q._b. But not before them because you really and truly what you're seeing it fantasy and the sign of a good fantasy draft is the fact that outside of homes. No one else is being taken before pick number seventy. Five people have been holding off in most of the good drafts i've been in of course you get address where folks reach early for the shawn watson and also drafting lucca. I saw some draft luck in the fourth round but you know these are the things that i think he just got to hold off on you. Gotta stay the course and be even more patient now t. y. Hilton is going to take a hit so t. y. Hilton i saw folks drafting him around because i already had lust as a high potential anti white hilton as a bus potential because i didn't see him putting up the production this year so i had him out of the second row aw probably late third round to begin with now helms probably a fourth round pick at best in my opinion. He's a wide receiver to option when he was wide receiver one again for those of you who already drafted t. y. Hilton you know it sucks but you can't really do a a whole lot about it. I it is what it is marlin mac. He's gonna get a lot more touches now what you said the culture going to have to ship more to a play action offense offense. I'm not necessarily changing max valuation. He's still going to be a top fifteen top twenty running back even though teams are are going to be more less respectful of the passing game because he's still got t. y. Hilton lining up nope. I don't think marlin max producting get stymied all that much because you still don't want to bring to safety down into the box so i still think that moral amac should be fine line. The problem here is if at the tight end position between eric brown inject oil our favorite cam eric hebron seabra. You know how much i love eric hebron right bron was my top bus candidate at the tight end position addition. My stance has not changed at all the problem. Is that this lamer every him he <hes> so oh yeah then listen. Arrogant bryant put up great fast numbers when jack doyle was injured. Jack dole's back now. Jack doyle literally had the lion's share of targets at and do you wanna. I know what the split of targets were. When jack door was on the field versus versus eric brown cam appear cam had a so basically cam <hes> jack doyle had seventy five percent of the targets versus lebron's wants twenty-five percent and does no one any score touchdown yeah so the i mean jack. Doyle is the primary tight end like the folks who drafting e brown before jackdaw. I keep staring at them. Wondering are are they just looking at last year stats and not paying attention to the fact that jack doyle was injured out here. Here's the bottom line. The number one target for jacoby percent is going to be short routes to <hes> t. y. Hilton which isn't going to do a whole lot of value for t. y. Hilton and jack doyle yeah. He's going to get some targets from you coach but it's not necessarily going to be a ton of down the field target so there's going to be thinking dunk offense. I still say you know if you drafted opted eric brown already good luck with that 'cause you're not gonna get the value out of ibrox last year was the fact that andrew luck had him targeted for for a ridiculous number of touchdowns. He had thirteen touchdowns last year. Eric brown will be luck before edgy. Lucky even announced his retirement. I thought iran will be lucky to even get five touchdowns this year. You may be looking at a season where eric brown. Maybe he gets. Three touchdown catches this year at best. I'm not even sure if he gets a one. That's how down. I am on eric hebron and with jacoby percent this year so your words denying you will eat your words. Hey we'll get at least six. We'll see we'll see <hes> but he has is gonna be like two yards so as you know yards a red zone two yard touchdown that everyone's gonna be pissed bell and i'm not gonna have him in my draftkings that day exactly how to oregon yeah but you know it was the bottom line is that you know if if you already drafted andrew luck you're the play here is is probably gonna be most likely if felt rivers is available in your league grab them. If someone didn't draft amos winston he takes priority over philip rivers but <hes> most likely someone among grab jameis winston on the back end of your draft did they didn't then. Someone made a mistake but i would say famous. Jamus is going to be played then you then you look at philip rivers then you look at a guy like kirk cousins. Maybe you mess around with the sam. Darnold bill was that yes you lock that you like that yeah you you yeah you but this is the thing it's not the end of the world like the folks that are going crazy on twitter twitter about their stupid fantasy team with andrew luck fail to acknowledge talk. If you drafted at your luck it's still the deepest deepest quarterback position. Take this as a lesson that this is why you don't reach for quarterback too early like people keep making this mistake like when you when you take a quarterback that early that's why you 'cause you put yourself in that position because quarterbacks well yeah. It's always possible that <hes> you know. The position doesn't get injured. Guess what if he does get injured. You oversee you overplayed your head and you gave up a number of skill position players because we're of luck was being drafted was way too high like luck doc being drafted in the fifty around pick fifty. I never understood what people were rushing for. It's like the same thing with shawn watson. I loved the shawn watson listen. I'm not gonna have any exposure to shawn watson this year because he's being drafted way too early my opinion so i love them but what i'm not going to pay that much of a premium for my you know at a certain point you gotta take positions when you're putting together your fantasy roster and that's that's just the way it's going to be but yeah so let's get into the other news that gets dwarfed on the day last last night. <hes> during the game with the texans a texans running back lamar miller gets knocked out of the game and now the texans are suspecting that miller has a torn a._c._l. Now cam. I know you were wondering when i was going to do my sleep article. It now gets disrupted by this news because my sleeper for fancy this year it was <hes> duke johnson because i already expected do johnson to take the starting job away from lamar miller before we six of the season now now do johnson is a running back one option to begin the year to me. Do johnson should be selected within <hes> he. I should be going up in the fifty sixty range of draft picks. I like do johnson more than a guy like kenyan drake and i've draft draft kenyan drake because of lack of options at the running back spot because i wasn't going for lamar miller but i like now do johnson to be ahead of kenyan drake moving forward. You know n._p._r. Formats even more so but they're to me. There's no getting around it. <hes> do johnson's a better running back option <hes> than a number of candidates here i got him <hes> basically as has a my <hes> running back number twenty five ahead of kenyan drake were so basically you're going to be targeting johnson. Some were basically do john's going to be somewhere in the mid no he. He's in fifteen or twenty well. I still have marlin mac in the twenty range so like do do johnson falls into in today's running back twenty five range because of his size thirty right now was that we're johnson right. Now sounds like probably at thirty. This is oh okay okay. Is that the latest rankings from <hes> e._s._p._n. Because the and i'm still thinking this with omar getting hurt news updated about thirty right now yeah because lamar lamar miller alert was ranked around thirty so they probably just replaced a man yeah yeah they probably replace it i have i'm going to be more bullish sean duke johnson moving forward so i would have him ever running back twenty five so basically you know my my picks at running back like <hes> from the twenty range <hes> because i have johnson ahead of a damian williams i i. I still wanna move up. David williams them four because i have damian williams twenty six in my running back rankings. He was twenty five but i you have them as twenty six now because i do jackson head of him but you know you're still looking at guys along the lines of of <hes> once you get past mark ingram chris carson it out. I don't like derrick henry but i get it. I would still put der camry ahead of duke johnson just because in a lot of of in terms of the offense for tennessee they're still potential potential that dare camry puts up top ten running back to the numbers at some point during the year but in if it's if it's a if it's a non <hes> <hes> format then yeah i would drop their camera <hes> even further and guys like chris carson further and put dick johnson into the top twenty. That's that's the way i'm looking at it depending on your scoring format. It's gonna make a difference but if it's a yard format do johnson <hes> <hes> by and large is probably going to be twenty running back and in vietnam m._p._r. Then he's a top twenty top twenty five back that's <music> but long short of it is that do johnson is gonna be drafted way too late so that if you're having a fancy draft today camp my suggestion through through johnson needs to be a top somewhere between fifty and sixty i dunno we're picking but duke johnson needs to be selected somewhere in that range each because he's probably going to be going into seventies but i wouldn't risk it. I think someone might be smart enough to draft him and the fifty sixty range predicting all right well. Let's throw down so i will you keepers for my league and you tell me who's going to be my first break hip. You're alright so there'd be writing sound well. I'm pulling up my rankings and i'll i do my best cam. You bet though right now gordon melvin gordon keeper deeper. This is how this may draft aim about you. You pick one hiebert so oh don't think they're taking the first day so mellon gordon apparently round pick which yeah yeah yeah yeah i got melvin gordon and the and the third or fourth round so third round keeper for melvin gordon food eh because picks <hes> well by melvin gordon. They're all around is cooking around yeah. Fair <music> mahomes harry is well well well that one makes sense because he was probably drafted in. Ah say probably around eight or ten last year. It cost him a second round. Pick o our first round best. I've ever lived out of of course. You're going my advice but okay fine. A little niece abby is i know i know. Sometimes you got to some ears as a texas tech. Grad cam is in love with patrick mahomes. He may even consider tattooing patrick mahomes face onto onto his arm. One day i will on my on my face on my arm and my bud bradley too much detail for the fans ads can odell first round a second round fair saquon or from on first round sake wasi overall number one pick okay you you are catholic there. It wasn't sarcastic enough. The giants these laws again number one overall fantasy option. He's never paid him. Play play with hercamp blake bortles over on and that folks is why teams lose fantasy drafts. Give you way too much of a risk there but i get it. You're hoping to returns. I just don't i wouldn't use a keeper knowing that it's going to cost me the second round pick if it was a third round pick girly. Yeah we're talking. I pro on yeah the thing the thing of it is is that when you have keepers and you and you have guys you know who we're going to be able to pick. I'm not taking market value for girly. Knowing two question marks mainly because girlies production is <hes> being limited to about seventy percent at most of what he was doing last year which means you're getting borderline borderline running back to value for what you're drafting as a running back one option that's my concern and because of of his injury history there is no guarantee that the rams don't decide to give goal line carries to someone else to lighten the load on girly at the point of impact at the most likely where he's he's going to be able to get hurt is at the goal line situation so my concern with girly is the fact that a are we going to see the explosive runs be if they're trying to limit his his carries they may very well limit his goal line line touches and from what we've seen girly is not exactly a fan of fantasy football so he won't care that is goldline touches are being limited yeah he's. He's already gotten his guaranteed money so to me girl. He's gonna play ball with do organization because he knows what his arthritic verdict knee. The the organization could jerk them around. He's gonna be he's gotta be. Well behaved unlike zeke so i worked. Hey i still have zeke as a zeki. Listen l- listen is is zeke is a is still the overall second best player in fantasy. I see in my opinion. I still have them as if it wasn't for the fact that he wasn't in camp yet he number one over saquon but because he's not number number one. He's not in cape yet. That's why he's at number two so i'm still drafting zeke. If i have a top yeah i ah i still drowsy jersey as as we speak so i'm not worried about zeke but anyway a <hes> whoa whoa yeah we're going to keep moving gives a i got off on a tangent here about girly so hey michael this year's so we have tiger elites nets james connor snag around mine <hes> yeah that makes sense no way. I'm kimberly talk radio all bitter about all right. No makes it surprised caused me third or second back in the second round pick but i get it. My boy wait right here. Christian mccaffrey burs round along that i wish <hes> two years ago oh yes well. I mean no one really thought the panthers were going to use them as much as typical typical running back as they have thus far so mccaffrey's showing that he can't handle load so i got no problems with if you want to rank and mccaffrey second over zeke. I don't have a problem with that. It's just that when d- comes in and i firmly believe zeke will he's going to be the best overall running back and fantasy so little to in jails soggy but <hes> all right who else yet our grass leo okay so who yeah julio me being your first round pick up the first round but the matter is <hes> so we wrap around. I'll get the next week anyway so yeah yeah and you know my answer is going to be. It's zeke z you. I'm gonna take them yeah like the for the first pick of your draft should be zeke. I know i know i know some. I know. Some some folks are going to put kamara. My position is i'm ranking zeke ahead. Oh kamara two reasons a people keeps underestimating being latavius murray. I think is murray is a better running back mark ingram so that's one thing it's like i it was always a split timeshare between ingram and camara. I think tavis murray is better than mark ingram so because of that. I got a higher curriculum murray than most people do. He's still he's still going to run into that same timeshare issue so the touchdowns won't be there but kamara ara in terms of yardage. I don't think he's going to be its highest. People keep expecting him to be and also the fact that the saints are going to have at the fine different ways of getting because teams have gotten wise what the saints like to do the balls either going to michael thomas or it's going to kamar. The saints are gonna have to change. It's things up a bit because in the n._f._l. Teams find ways of taking away what you like doing so i think this year between michael thomas and camara. I'm a little bit more down on them. The most they're still first round picks no doubt but don't be don't expect the same level of production just just because the gang got all back together again. I it it it. It doesn't necessarily translate that way same but i mean that's just the way i look at it. It's like i hear on because there is role budgen frankie downstairs so z's probably gonna be big rig wig yeah so i mean yeah so basically here here the way i would a rank picks in your draft the way it should go down. It should be zeke. Kamara deandre hopkins skains davante adams then you hit. David johnson lady on goes next after david johnson johnson. I probably would take lady on before david johnson but knowing how most people are looking at it. They're afraid it's going to bust my my hope for you. Gam is the fact that i'm hoping that nick chubb false to you yeah the best case scenario for you given that you're ready. Half julio is is that nick chubb falls down to you you but by the time it gets sued <unk> pick mean. I have a feeling that zeke's not gonna make their. I mean i didn't realize like how many second round these people have like. There's only warns say on julio mccaffrey those only the only i rams which i'm surprised for it gives the pro- the problem you're going to run into with the keepers is the fact that you know 'cause i can't see lay. Dan falling kept. We've cooked cooked and mixing already kept as well like basically since you kept kept wide receiver. I i'm always a fan of either double running backs or splitting runningback with wide receiver. I'm i'm not a fan of double wide receivers to start a draft because of the fact that it leaves you leveraged into the draft a bunch of running back deft theft because you don't have true running back one option and you're hoping to catch fire so my my whole thing. Is you know that next year running running backs on that that sold on devante freeman is running back to option because you know atlanta just doesn't feed them the rock enough to make him a running back. One the way atlanta was wants to run their offense. They spread it out too much for free men to give back running back one value carry on <hes> ruling the spread that too much shoe yards. Uh leo's team was so i mean outside of freeman i. I'm not a fan of kerryon johnson. The problem is the lions offensive. Line is not good at run blocking at all. You know the in the fact that the lines wide receiving core is as suspect as it is. You know you really don't have i mean i like golladay. You know marvin jones to be is very suspect because he only shows up three games out of the year. I have have a lot of questions about the lions offense in general so that's why i'm down on kerryon johnson because i think it's a lot easier just to stack the box and dare matt stafford throw because matt stafford will oblige and he will turn the ball over so i also fees yeah but you're gonna win the game because the amount of turnovers and three and outs at matt's efforts going to generate you're gonna win that match up more than that like matt. Stafford predicate is the king of empty stats. He's a fancy glover. Oh yeah well so real. Quick roadway with <hes> with you. Maybe williams. I'm like i said i'm down on damian williams just because you know as much as people wanna crap on everyone's wants a crap on carl carl's hide in that offense in end scheme that they're running should be carlson should be a beast like karl. Side wasn't a fit for what cleveland's run blocking scheme was last year. You're and that's one of the biggest reasons why he struggled was it. Was it a good fit for the system. I think kids cities offense is a great fit for curls height so to me cross as well those guys you can draft for the upside but the by that same token. I'm more negative on damian williams yes. I'll i'll put williams as top twenty option just because yes if he gets the lion's share carries given the offense. He's gonna get opportunities score score touchdown so yeah you can't you can't fade damian williams completely but it's like the only guy i have as a bigger bus potential than damian williams <hes> would be watching the two guys would be girly because of the health reasons reasons and the fact that they're going to reduce his workload and eric jones so the packers but outside of that damian williams has a very real chance of of a busting for where he's being drafted because you're drafting because of him being on the chiefs offense not necessarily his track gregor because he doesn't really have a track record so again. It's the unknown that's the problem here. It's like how's he going to handle handle the success he had last year given that he hadn't done anything else in his n._f._l. Career previously that to me is a big question mark i. I don't like aaron jones from the standpoint of air jones. Is you know yes. He has talent but in green bay's offense era. I'm just gonna throw the rock so you know for all those who keep hoping that packers are going to have a fourteen year fourteen hundred fifty hundred yard rusher. You know it's a fantasy. They're not going to run the ball nearly enough. Wow they're not going to run the ball nearly enough to have a aaron jones returned value that he's being drafted as people keep looking at them as a running back. One potential and i don't see like if you're drafting air jones in the second round. You're begging for your begging for a bus potential there to me era jones. There's a third round pick earliest. I'm not taking air jones in the second round. I'm sorry i it's not happening. I think marla mac and before i take garron jones hell. I'm ready to take for net in the second round before air jones and for net i still think for net is still going to be in the dog house with the jaguars jaguars before week. Five so to me letter for net is at risk of getting suspended by the jaguar before week five and i would still have have more confidence in a letter for being running back one option ahead of aaron. Gerald's do not take that as an endorsement the draft letter for that because again. I still think letter for neck. Get himself suspended so that's so that's why i look at. It and i say you know realistically. I'm worried about the runningback spot. If chubb doesn't fall to you because again you know to me running backs. I'm going to be fading more in the middle rounds this year than i have in years past the only other guy that you can try to throw throw a lifeline t will be just jacobs the rookie running back for the raiders but the raiders are such a mess. I don't know what this team is going to be and that scares the bejesus adamy because the raiders have the potential of getting blown out of so many games that i i'm not sure if jesse gives even going to get the carey's to return to value. That's why i worry about josh jacobs and would select even derek error camry ahead of him because i don't know what the value is going to be. Melvin gordon still hasn't returned to the chargers yet. I can't put melvin gordon. The conversation ever -sation yet because a melbourne is always hurt and he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is so i got concerned about melvin gordon as well even when he does return from his absence from the team while he negotiates a new contract because again the valuation on melvin gordon people are still taking him way too early so when i saw when you met us being kept. That's like that that's it's. It's it's it's market value. It's market value but again. It's market value because of the high risk involved. You're out if he actually say healthy. He's be so the again one has when his well regarded stay healthy in an n._f._l. Season we're both laughing right now doc. It's like if you can stay healthy at age twenty three eight twenty four age twenty five h twenty six yes that would be considered prime age for most occupations in the world not a n._f._l. Runningback n._f._l. Running back yes technically clear your pride but when you're an injury plagued running back age twenty six could easily be the age where it all goes downhill. I i completely get why melvin melvin gordon is holding out for his money because if he doesn't hold out for his money the chances of him actually having a fully healthy n._f._l. Season are slim to none and after each twenty six so <hes> like i said duke johnson johnson because of it being a keeper draft to me i would move up <hes> the timetable for duke because someone's going into grab duke probably in the sixty range so what you want to be positioning yourself is at ten pick forty <hes> pick number forty probably gonna be a reach but i don't think it's the worst thing in the world to take him at pick forty one because again by the time it comes back to you. I don't think he'll be there. That's my concern so i would probably take. I'd i'd rather take do johnson around early around too late because with it being a p._r. Forever you gam. I'd rather take johnson early. That's just my suggestion 'cause. I had duke johnson ahead of tarik cohen ahead of philp lindsey and it's not that i don't like philp philp lindsay lindsay but if it's a p._r. Format and do johnson being the most productive p._r. Format not named lady on bell or alvin kamara the last four seasons. Guess what i'm taking duke johnson when he's got. He's got the lie. He's got the soul share of the workload at running back. I think it's got. I think it makes the texans a better team. I thought lamar miller was holding back. The texans offense by getting the line share of cares. I think do justice perfectly suited <hes> to be a twenty kerry running back in the leak. He just never got got the opportunity to do so in cleveland. Well ranks receivers right now. What'd you get your well. I mean in terms of receiving core. I'll ah i'll tell i'll tell you the guy who's being overlooked and the guy who's being over ranked guys who so right but here's here's the reason why he's i. I won't agree with you there. I agree with you. I do think that his valuation. I'd say he's over ranked. It's it's basically he's market value right now if you're taking him as the fifth pick of the the draft i think you're over ranking him if you're taking if you're taking him in the back end of taking them in the back end of the round that's fair fair. I'm not taking davante adams over like his. I'm seeing housing. Devante adults being taken ahead of zeke week. I was scratching my head like you know ahead of david johnson ahead of zeke like i don't get it. It's like you know even de'andre as much as i loved the andre i'm not taking those receivers ahead of when i have potential for zeke back when i know david johnson is going to have a little bit more running room this year because of our friend cliffe's air raid offense. It's going to create opportunities david johnson to catch the ball more out of the backfield and had a wider running late. I'm not taking wide receiver overdose two guys which i've seen zinc consistently done in the ranking systems for fantasy this year so yeah. It's like i'm not gonna say. Devante is over <hes> eh over ranked. I'm just saying he just closer to the back end of the first round. Guys who are over ranked. Adam feeling is being ranked based off of the production had to start the year rather than how he finished the year to me. Stefan digs is just as good as dealing and is going to steal the catches from dealing so my whole problem with digs dealing this at. I liked awesome as receivers. The problem is i'm not taking them before third round like i'm seeing i'm seeing dealer l. A. being drafted in the second round and i'm saying no you're making mistake. Back in the third round is when both of those receiver should be going wing but not before then the other guys who are being over ranked are the reds wide receivers because again brandin cooks and robert woods. It's put up the majority share of the numbers after cooper cup got her to me. Woods in cooks should not be so you know. They're getting drafted into the third round okay. I'm not gonna say that. It's a terrible pick. I'm just saying it makes it hard to draft them early. Third round when realistically their valuation comes at the back end of the third round. It's like the if you're if you're selecting them in the third round because you're afraid they're not going to get back to you. It's okay draft amari cooper. You'll be fine like my whole thing is draft amari cooper draculina lina settlement if you're in the early part of third route because to me those guys have better have higher ceilings of output than what you're going to get out of woods and and cooks and i would rather take the injury discount that's being played into cooper cup and take cooper cup later on 'cause i've. I've seen cooper cup drift into the fifth round. I'd rather take cooper cup over woods and cooks because the targets they're going to get is going to be relatively similar and and cooper cup is the red zone favorite target of jared goff anyway so why am i taking woods and cook stat early contain any ram receiver unbiased yeah uh but like the guy who <hes> oh and the one other guy that i would put i put him down as a do not draft the candidate right here now and i'm pretty sure you won't draft them either for other reasons but the guy put as do not draft is strong jeffery free alshon jeffery is now twenty nine years old and has not played a full n._f._l. Season in four years so again you know when you're doing fancy projections. It's you know you're factoring in like staying healthy when a guy can't stay healthy and again alcyone jeffries production while it was better with carson wentz as opposed to nick foles at quarterback. I'm not gonna seven speed that banking on alshon jeffery to get you seventy five catches to me. It's a big risk and my biggest problem with alshon is the fact that he's got to get into the end zone to pay off the valuation of where he's being drafted so again for the folks that are drafting when the third round and round. I just think there there are a number of options that you could go with besides alshon jeffery. Hell i'd rather take allen robinson and robbie anderson persson ahead of alshon jeffery. Calvin ridley should be going ahead of alshon jeffery but you know i just have alshon. Jeffery has a do not draft candidate because again where he's going. It's too early. It's too early for me and i. I got a couple of other options that i'd rather have so the one guy that i keep gravitating towards that. I feel keeps going too late. In dress is chris godwin because my my overall assessment in here is the fact that godwin has the potential to have now elliott thousand yard season. He's got a chance for double double digit touchdowns because again mike evans is going to be double team because mike evans is that good teams are going to double team. I think that if the winston can control the turnovers and get tampa more consistently in red zone opportunities. I think you got a goal a golden chance for godwin to put up major numbers in fantasy this year and he's still going late third round at the earliest. I've seen him go into the fourth and fifth round to me. Godwin is the sneaky play from a wide receiver standpoint that that no one's talking about because god can be a top ten fantasy wide receiver this year and it wouldn't surprise me whatsoever. I'm not gonna wait around eight to again again. Cam we are drafting to win. Not what you like and don't don't like. We're drafting the win. What are we can. What are we can move category. We you know l. y. You know why chris guy was in the wind category because the bucks are talking when he's not no no no. He's the reason why he's in in a regular fantasy when you're wrong. Yes you know why because the bucks are going to be chewed out st entire season because their defense is still terrible all the whole game. Yes i agree. I'm not fun chiefs game. What else what elsa you're looking for. I mean talk is kind of a crapshoot. I if you're not taking kelsey early which which i don't which i don't recommend i i'm not a fan of taking a travis kelsey early drafts. It's only only if your again. I know some people would suggest yes. I've i've seen that happen to but the scored four four men the scoring format of your league n._p._r. Has to reward catches by tight end like like a higher valuation or it's gotta give you a bonus points for catches over one hundred yards for me to take a kelsey chelsea in the in the second round because the only the only reason why i'm taking kelsey in the second round is because kelsey essentially grades out to a number one wide receiver at the tight end position. If everything goes well for casey again this year. If you think the running game for casey's going to struggle like i do you then yet you can take kelsey in the second round but just know but just not but just know it. Can it can backfire you horribly but even if it was good i mean they had patty is so they're gonna throw the ball so so the only thing is for me i over games. You get extra took weights but i'm still not taking kelsey around yeah to me ah again because you kept the wide receiver. The only play for kelsey is if you have running back to start off with your back end of the first round. You took a running back and then you follow it up with kelsey because you didn't like the wide receiving options that were available. The thing is that there are so many wide receiver options that unless like odell juju like all those guys were being kept and that you were short on wide receivers then i would gravitate towards kelsey to get that that receive one value but in this case. I don't see the need to go for travis kelsey but outside of kelsey i i'm still a fan of punting the position you know even with jack doyle taking a massive hit two would would have been a sneaky value play. You know you still got guys like greg olsen around that can still do get you point you still you still got jordan reed like there are still guy stack in put up points from the tight end spot the laney walker. All these guys are going past round fourteen or later. You can get a tight end late so to me punt the position position. You'll be fine. I mean unless you get like herds or chelsea. Care it again yeah so i'll leave you to a cam best of luck stuck in your draft. Try not to draft with your heart so much but i'll leave you to be taken. He is has been can't uh-huh. Go go get them. Go get him champ. Ah let it all right well. That's going to do it for the show folks. We'll we'll circle back at a later date but <hes> you know as i said you know there are certain options that you can do you do gesture fantasy roster with his andrew lucked news but overall like give demand at least some shred of dignity. You know the folks that are going going out of their way to attack. Andrew luck like get over yourselves. It's about as ridiculous as it gets but that's all for now have a good one everyone.

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Beck In Black, Part 2: How does Matt Canada factor in Ben Roethlisbergers Lombardi hunt?

Behind the Steel Curtain

30:59 min | 1 year ago

Beck In Black, Part 2: How does Matt Canada factor in Ben Roethlisbergers Lombardi hunt?

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So our second topic today obviously the other interview that went down on Tuesday believe was one Mr Matt Canada. A ton of a ton of great stuff and a ton of interesting thoughts around Mad Canada and this coaching staff what he brings to this team what the ad means. I think it kind of want to start off at the running back position because obviously Matt Canada has worked a ton with the mood. He bounced around a lot and then Pittsburgh managed to draft a running back for I'm basically kind of chased him around wherever he went, which is interesting. Maybe there's some grand scheme here maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist. But obviously James Connor at the McFarland and Jalen. Samuels. Under, a Matt Canada. Do, you think that that's GonNa Affect this offense are they going to get a few more looks? Is Benny Snell. Even the odd man out it does that mean anything you Mr Benedict. It does I honestly think there is a reason we have so many Matt Canada running backs and that's because he uses them very versatile is running backs run routes they line up as a wingback, which is the predecessor to what we now use for slot receiver and they ran routes. So when you look in for a running back and say, hey, we want someone who can run but we also want someone who's going to be a threat in the passing game because. Ben. Rothlisberger is our offense. He's GonNa throw the ball to these guys. It. Kind of gives a little bonus if they in a Matt candidate style offense where they had a lot of versatile usage or they did a bunch of different things. Right now I'm sorry to cut you off not. What Do because that's right where I was going. All right. So in the live chat, they're saying Jalen Samuels is not making this roster. Oh I'll throw it right back to do group that is someone that's GonNa be on this team in net twenty twenty or they moving on he was the leading receiver among running backs I. believe he had more receiving yards than any tight end last year he also led the entire running back position the number of snaps plate offensive snaps let everybody. I. Don't think he's going anywhere after his injury and he came back. He stopped playing special teams. They kept him off of that. He probably wasn't a hundred percent, but he's a good special teams player. He is really good in the shotgun. He's a good receiver. He's not good at being a runner in traffic. You know kinds of the smell expertise of being a guy who runs in heavy traffic just. Finds a way to get yard same similar thing would live on bell. Jailed Samuels isn't that guy? He's an. Old Guy. So last year. The boxes clogged everyone's focusing on run. He didn't have enough space to work ben is back. He's going to have more space chase clearly pool is out there in air out there stretching the field. He's GonNa have to work. You're going to see him used more and. With Matt Canada Jalen Samuels the reason he was drafted undrafted. He was listed as a tight AC everyone was like is this Guy End? He's clearly running back. The reason they last resisted him as a tight end is because when he played in college for Matt Canada and the guys who followed him, he was a wingback which lines up and looks like a tight end but that's his position as a running back position. In that candidate system and we've seen. Jalen Samuels be good receiver and we've seen him be. A good runner in space. And if matter if they're bringing back any of Matt Canada's wing back, kind of options and and Kinda looks. He's the best guy for that job. That's his best position. He's not a true running back. He's going back. Now, two questions for you. One for me, I is the wildcat dead or is that coming back the the old interception for Jalen Samuels play and then second question comes from Brad Jewett who a quite He screams it. I guess here it's only capsule. He says tell me you're gonNA keep for running backs in the room obviously, the steelers traditionally keeps three. Do. You think the cat is dead. They were keeping four for quite a bit last year. As long as they're getting special teams use out of them. That is something they will do if Anthony McFarland is kick returner. Very, likely, we could see four running backs and the fullback. One of the reasons they kept for last year was they lost Roosevelt Knicks but we could see that happen I. Think the wildcat is dead. But speaking of Canada, the best part of the wildcats is is back Canada's like that's his thing the best part of the wildcat was James Connor like they would when they snapped to to Jalen Samuels and he just pitched forward to James Connor in it was pass but he ran the Jet Sweep That's like that's what Matt Canada does and they were able to do that with James Connor because that's James. He did that in college he did that was not candidate. He knows how to do a jet sweet and those were the best moments from that wildcat why they kept going back to that. So I think the wildcat is dead but I think you'll see that stick around as some of the stuff that Matt Canada adds to offense. Right, of course, touching on the jet sweeps, you know Mac Hata brings a ton He he he is kind of an expert and kind of spreading out the field moving moving the defensive players around shifting formation. What does he bring this team is he is this a game changing move? What is Matt? Can is impact on the twenty twenty steelers. Okay. Yeah. This is where my alley I did a film room on this I think last week but. You take those sweeps. I think everyone remembers Juju Smith Schuster I. pro- probably most people remember us. Mr. I catch was a touchdown is very first time Ben threw him the ball was a touchdown and it was a what we call shovel pass where he ran behind the line of scrimmage and was almost running play Ben just tossed it forward to him and he ran with the ball. Canada ran those but not out of the shotgun, he ran out of the quarterbacks under center, and that's just a wingback run that kind of pass plays in old wingback run from back in the old days of football. Just with the quarterback too far back and has to pitch it forward. You're like the same the tap pass to James. Connor assist the jet sweep. So I I think we'll see. That kind of stuff worked in. So I think we will see more jet sweeps. I, don't trust Dante Johnson unjust. We we he ran a couple. So, fast out those, he's so fast out of those that you're just like, yeah he's great with the ball why not do that? the interesting thing with those places. You can take. Running backs out of the backfield and still have a running threat. If. You see Jude Juju Smith Schuster lined up there right off the tight end, and he runs that little little shovel pass he's attacking run gap. Just like you would if you hand it off to a running back and he ran it. But it's a pass and he's not lined up in the backfield. There's if they're in man, there's nobody sitting over the defense watching that play same with the jet sweep a run to the outside. Where you didn't have anyone behind the quarterback have anyone back there they're out in formation and you don't know are the is he running a slant is going five yard our or could just fly across the middle of the formation and take the ball in the runner. I and that's where. mcdonagh's impact really to me fits fits what the steelers do fits what Rothlisberger likes like he loves being in the shotgun, but you can run these things other shock on it benefits him even poor because it turns a run into a vast let. so He's collecting stats. He's looking at everything's looking better and you have these multiple threats where you didn't before right now obviously can't it brings a ton and this offense going to be really interesting. To Watch because I, think there's a lot of things going on here. If I asked you to define this offense, is it a west coast offense? Is it a running gun offense at? What would you describe the Matt Canada? Offense ass. That's the thing. Like the best I give old school I. Guess It's it's Oracle in highschool huffing and. You don't know like he's always said He fits it to personnel when he was in Wisconsin it was a ton of Ron big formations, lots of stuff One of my favorite things he does when he was with pit. Is he ran or Peos with quarterback that didn't run. He wrote a repast option with a quarterback who didn't run and how he did it as if you watch, the game will take the staff. have their RPO hand off that kind of like my handed off to James Connor I don't know if I am yet. He's doing that with Connor and if he doesn't hand it off to Connor, he pulls it away and pitches it up the middle to a tight end who then takes shuttled pass and runs. So, he's not even like the quarterbacks not going to run with the ball, but it's an RPO. You get that kind of Connersville in that way or is tight and going that way he did that in college he did that beat. Clemson, with it That kind of thing is is it's crazy and then you go look at him in Maryland where it was all about wingbacks, it was a lot Tana jet sweep running backs play their plane three running backs at a time. The, you got three running backs tight end on the field and a quarterback. And One wide receiver it's that's the kind of stuff he can run there. You have in wide open. It's all over the place and I think his he really Tip that off to by saying you know I'm here to learn what we do best here, and I'm here to learn what what Benda's best and that's what we're going to do. He's GonNa fit that into what Ben does best, which is probably GonNa be a lot of stuff out of shock. Yeah. No kidding and obviously with the way that he molds offense, I think Matt Canada's a really interesting name to be the next offense coordinator. Do you think that is realistic? It was Matt Cana broaden to lead this offense one day or is he gonNa have more of an impact in be kind of a pseudo offense coordinator come day one. I think you'll have some impact We got our first confirmation of that Deontay Johnson's interview today where he kind of kind of let it slip the they're learning. Those motions. He stated he's I'm still learning those motions and the stuff that back Canada brings. So they're they're using some of it Is He a future offense coordinator I. Think he will be. I think he's the kind of guy that's GonNa get that shot. I don't know if it'll be Pittsburgh. It could be somewhere else I mean he could. We've seen guys bounce from the NFL back to college and then back to the NFL again if this offense really takes off though. And you see ben kind of revitalized and they take a couple of years with Matt Canada playing. quarterback coach maybe give him a promotion title but have him doing the same thing. You could definitely see him if we're contending super bowl yet yet someone would grab him and be like I'm come do that for us and no king now it the steelers offense does take off. Could they justify firing feed? Because because it, he's still the offense corner. If they take off you can they fire the OC to bring the qb coach I think steelers fans will accept it but you think that's something that would be a reasonable to actually happen i. think it could happen. But not for a couple of years I think you're you're talking at least two years even if the offense this year suddenly takes off and we. Win The super bowl someone might try to hire him but that's one season. That's that's a someone who's been in the NFL for exactly one season. He has never coached in the NFL before, and so that would be tough. That'd be really tough for a team to say, we're going to drop him in make him our offensive coordinator for one season. So I think we're GONNA, see a couple of seasons Ben Rothlisberger gone. By the even keep Randy fichtner like. visor any feature your offense coordinator Ben Rothlisberger is gone. He just runs benzoate rothlisburger offense. That's he does. So I I think that we could see the. By I don't think it'll be right away. Super Quick question for you. Ben Rothlisberger or Matt candidate WHO's more likely to be the next dealers an offensive coordinator Better, office offense coordinator now. You're right. Now he's going to be until he retires I think he's probably the offense coordinator for the next four or five year. A stick around I. Think he's got. He's he's GonNa do it. He's going to be that Guy GonNa continue to be that guy. I'm you know I wouldn't be surprised by that at all now in Mac Hannah's offense obviously obviously there you can't run stuff a little bit different. What's One? Not Not quarterback necessarily but what's one player that you think's going to be the most positively affected by having him? Running kind of working with this offense. I guess. If if they want to use the wingback physician as a big F and we'd see that say if the steelers keep fewer wide receivers and they don't keep like a Ryan Switzer as a keep Jalen Samuels, you could see Jaylen Samuels lining up primarily kind of as a slot receiver as almost like a receiver. If that happens it would be Jalen Samuels. Other than that. I would say, Deontay Johnson stands a chance. One Who could people won't like this after I just said I don't think he makes the Roster Ryan Switzer. Ryan, Switzer could do it. If you remember Ryan Switzer has played like the sidecar and shotgun he has played all over the place he's played on the inside and outside of trips formations. I could see him running those little shovel passes because that would still keep Juju Smith Schuster deontay Johnson on the outside drawing attention analysis in the Ryan Switzer's in there boom he's in the middle gaining what zero zero yards. One Yard he could. He could see that kind of usage He fits it. He's versatile. We could see that really I really hope the steelers do better than that. But I, I can see it happening He's because he can do it and that's the big question is if as Matt Canada's this. As they apply some of his stuff to the offense is going to be who can learn. The role who can learn to play that wing pack position where you're GONNA have to do three or four different things and you're gonNA have to sell those different things. You're you'RE GONNA have a lot of versatility required of you. We know Jalen. Samuels can do it. We can look at a guy like the Johnson who has taken those kind of jet sweeps as a he could do it James Connor shown he can he can do that kind of stuff but do you want James Connor lining up out there that's more gimmick than you know regular thing. I could see a lot of people benefiting I think it works the number one, the number one benefit is to Ben Rothlisberger. That's number one. Because if we're running the shovel passes and these jet sweeps. Defenses. Have to be looking short. They have to be thinking laterally. We can spread out and they still have to think about the middle of the field you're just creating gaps you're pulling and stressing the defense recreating creating little gaps. And Ben Ben, doesn't need much than doesn't need much to hit targets and open space. That's the you don't have to give him much right and Makhaya. Even talked about his accuracy during his interview backtracking a little bit. You're seeing Ryan. Switzer talking about his versatility graduate not feel in it said, no, he is not versatile and he wants you to tell them how. Can you give them the breakdown of how Ryan Switzer is versatile I, WanNa say it's a good versatility I. Don't I. Don't think he's a very good player, but the steelers have used him. A lot of different ways inside of that slot route role is I that slot receiver role, they have used him various ways he runs a lot of screens middle. And he was a lot of things where they're like catch the ball and right. Now. That wasn't working at all in two thousand nineteen. But he wasn't bad at that in two thousand eighteen he wasn't bad at that. The year before when Ben was healthy all season when he was there all season and he was used in places where he was a running back at times, he lied up his age, but he lined up in different roles and they kind of. gave him the ball and just kind of see what he can do with it. And he did. All right. He's he's not the guy you want but. He may be the guy were stuck with. That's that's all that I would not be happy if that situation occurred I would I would much. Honestly I would straight off rather see Jalen samuels the slot receiver then have Ryan Switzer be that I think he could actually do better. But. If things fall that way, we could see Ryan Switzer in that role interesting I I like your take on that I think personally I think guys that will. Kind of explode the most under matt can I think guys play fast not necessarily half fast forties but they do think Deontay Johnson even rookie Anthony McFarland. I. Don't it's going to be i. think that's going to be really really interesting to watch just because how much speed they have and how much motion he brings a team. What does motion to do defense in Weiser important at the steelers start doing more. We we've seen that used against us. If you go back to the not the two, thousand, nine, hundred defense as much with the two, thousand, eighteen defense. We saw a lot of times where they were able to. Take running backs and put them outside of the wide receivers and take wide receivers, move them inside and all of a sudden defense that you had set up and you're like, all right we're running zone you know or or running man and Joe Hayden on the outside receiver and all of sudden outside receivers a fullback. Joe Haden and man against the fullback. Like your, that's what you have and on the inside now you had Vince Williams lined up in the slot. And the slot receiver happens to be their number one receiver. That's not a great situation and we saw that in two thousand and eighteen. It happens Kenyan Alan. Guy was absolutely terrible but. They were able to get that because of how they used motion how they used Unorthodox Setups backhanded takes it even further. Mack Canada will take it where we saw with pit especially with Maryland he's moving time and motion and all of a sudden the defense has to sit there and as those guys are moving figure out. Okay I was on that guy. Now, the way the were lined up. I'm on I'm on the okay. The Third Guy I've got recount who and as soon as they said, they snap. If you're playing a veteran team that has it all together, that can really follow the communication they're going to handle it. You're just running a different play. But. If you've got a rookie in there, if you've got someone who doesn't know what they're doing if you've got someone who's just not strong at. A Film Room. Just came out with about miscommunication on the on the two thousand and nineteen defense where showed where you know they put a guy in motion baron went to switch roles trail edmonds came down to say no, I've got the tight end you switch back to the running back. And more barren moved back but he didn't cover the running back. He just was like. Okay. I'm in the middle of the field I don't know what I'm doing here like just a momentary lapse in the running back goes out in the field. Now he's got this whole second head start before mark realize oh. Yeah that's my guy. That kind of Alaskan create a twenty yard. Did against the steelers and it set up for fuel, the cost us or we still in that game but those kind of mess ups can make a play. And it is a third down play sudden you got fresh cut to downs that can be a drive changer and that can change a game that can that can swap. L. FOR W. Any moment in a game, and then we saw him we've Seen Matt do that the college offenses defenses. We could see them pull it off in the NFL right and you know what? I think I think that's sneaky things about this higher. It makes me really excited I. Think this this. Is, injection of of talent of creativity rather on is going to be really interesting to see especially because he does something else a whole heck of a lot and that's play action. Now, what what does that bring to an offense? Who What does that do defense for those of us that that might not now? We'll play offs and Great great way to check his watch. The early season. especially. The San Francisco game where the steeler for biting on play action you had devin Bush mark Barron every play just biding on play action and George Kennel running behind them wide open if it's zone play those linebackers by stay up they stay up second they're not as deepen their zones and if you have a good fast tight end There behind those linebackers and oh? Yeah. We just we just added that kind of tight with our. which we we seriously just added the weapon that you want to take advantage of that kind of pressure being put on linebackers and it really goes along with how Matt Canada uses sweeps because adjust weep is the receiver goes into motion right before the snap and then is at a dead run when the snap happens and boom, you get the ball to really quick and they're already running. Well, that's as a kind of play action. If you could take that and go through, it's it's kind of a play action move would you use played action of that? Or you've got play action with a running back and you've got kind of a jet sweep motion going on there's all kinds of things. There's all kinds of things you can do new. York. The New York jets actually did to the steelers last year. Where they had levy on bell move out to a win position to he lined up in the slot, which loving on bell does and emotions back to running back and they had a running back slash wide receiver on their team who moved out to a wingback spy, and we treat it as a as a wide receiver and they ran this play Action Ryan to levy on bell going outside. And then turn handed off. To this guy behind that. So the steelers are pushing outside like get outside quick Levy on's going outside and guy ran behind that in a wingback, run an actual wingback run in the NFL But the very same kind of moves that we see the steelers us with those shovel passes. So. That's one way that could go down I think that's something we could look for in play action is. Just so many different directions people are looking so many different directions people are looking and it's hard to run. Plaques out of Shotgun. But if you think about it, play action out of shotgun basically is an RPO. It looks like Rpo my handing it off no I'm pulling it and I'm throwing. That's kind of play out of a shotgun. And Canada does that. Matt Canada did that with this? I say he did that with pit against Clemson. And they had a run option build and it was like it was an Rpo run with multiple runs and passes. You could see that with bad. I. Could see that with Ben where he fakes the hand off James Connor coming across you know and you've got people running around deep. But if he's got that, he can do it under the league's little shovel pass if he just wants to do that and you. Where are you covered? You don't even know what you're on defense. And one we've talked about a lot here but haven't talked about directly Eric Hebron. There's a Lotta love for him going around. He's loving it in Pittsburgh he he is. A on instagram on twitter. He's talking about how much he loves ben how much he loves. The city. And he's playing offense almost hiller made for him is are we about to see receiver that's tight end make that sorry rebutted see tight end that's going to break heath Miller's eight touchdowns in a season record four tight end. Tight end break. The thousand market is he gonNA are are really really just GonNa be a be about to watch the the awakening of Eric Broncos. He all that is, is this guy changing our offense? I doubt that back of it I expect good things from him. For offense is set up. To use a lot of the tight end as kind of a push on the defense, like we use a lot of ten fifteen yard in and out routes with our tight end just because that pushes the linebackers back that really pushes them back. That opens up the underneath routes for guys like Juju guys like Deontay Johnson, and we make those guys make a lot of yards off plays based on the tight end drawing attention. Now if you see. The running backs dry more guys up and you see more play action we could see Erkki Hebron would be amazing and that kind of thing. But from if we just plug abor Erkki brought into what we ran last season, I would not expect it. I would expect him to have really good season with Ben kind of what we saw with Vance McDonald and Jesse James in two thousand eighteen where you're effective Like eight hundred yards. I that's I'm around like eight hundred yards five to six touchdown thing with him. But it could go bigger if teams are like Okay Eric Bronze The guy we're going to cheat off of you know we're GONNA put a linebacker on Air Jebron and hope he doesn't kill us. Just. Why he's GonNa, kill you that's that's what's going to happen if it's a wide receivers are taken off Chase Clayton, we'll catch a few forty, sixty yard bombs and you've got the Andre Johnson looking like a number one receiver put up stats like he did before last season. You could see Eric Braun. Being that guy defenses on like okay. We just have to single coverage broaden hope he doesn't single handedly beat us. Right. Sorry. Cutting each other off. It's our first show. We're GONNA get. You know what? Eight hundred yards five touchdowns would be outstanding number for Eric, Brown? Yeah. Before we get out here, we're heading into the top of the hour. My my last question here there's a lot of mouths to feed in this offense. How many thousand yard receivers are we gonNA have how many thousand yard running backs we're going to. Is Impossible we've none like obviously the ball's GonNa get moved around ton. What do you think's GonNa Happen there I I think you're going to get to players thousand yards Juju. Smith. Schuster Andre Johnson Ex I think the running backs are going to be I mean if you want to count receiving end rushing yards together. Yeah. I think you could see a running back reach that by we're GONNA use multiple running backs. I don't think James Connor is going to be playing all the time in getting fat enough to really get those thousand yards. I. Think you'RE GONNA see. Eric Hebron pullout six to eight hundred events. McDonald with another five hundred, I think you're GONNA see James Washington with like five hundred yards usually a lot of guys with those numbers and we're GonNa say, Oh, you know we thought they were going to be better than they are. They're not quite as productive as we thought they were. GonNa. But that's not going to be the case this just GonNa be there. There's so many so many yards to go round. Last season we have We had four guys I think. With four three guys with four hundred, five, hundred yards. which is kind of standard. We usually do not have more than three guys with five hundred yards I. Think we've got as high as five one year when there was some injuries and Ben was mixing it up like no one had big yards. By don't expect that to be the case I think we'll see Jews you eat a lot of yards I. think we'll see D., C. Step into that clear number to roll, we'll see tight ends account for twelve thirteen, hundred yards combined. And then there's going to be running backs getting yards like it's going to be all over the place. So there's GonNa be there's GonNa be yards available but I don't think we're GONNA see a lot of a thousand yard receivers. Awesome And I think with that we're going to head on out here I'm of course, if you haven't already, you're listening to the podcast platform. Anywhere, your podcast by the way make sure to go ahead and listen to part one. If you haven't already, we chat a lot about Ben Rothlisberger and his press conference where he broke down a ton of stuff of course, both Jeffrey. Myself will be coming back to each and every week over around the same time around nine o'clock pm eastern time So it's great hanging out with you guys in the live chat It's great getting your feedback and we have a lot of fun doing this. So as we head out here, just want to thank each and every one of you for hanging out with us for my co host Jeffrey. Benedict I'm back. Thanks for tuning in will catch you guys next week. Go really quick before I get out of here. We gotTa Really Quick Superjet and I just WanNa thank Kathy Super Super Fast here says like the show everybody and marked the tape re- Juju Cathy, thank you so much for that I I guess I guess we're GonNa take off here I show I think I think that a little bit of fun. 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RTFF# 348: Nelson Sousa (Part 2)

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RTFF# 348: Nelson Sousa (Part 2)

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Let's dive into a couple of Houston. Texans. Running backs Dante Forman and Lamar the Teflon, Don, according to Evans Twitter handle at Evan Silva Miller. Yeah. Lamar Miller kills me. Because I always liked the kid since his days with Miami. And. He's just never he's been solid, but he's never put that big year together. And I don't think he ever will. I think he's kind of gotten a raw deal in Houston. Also because the offensive line hasn't been very good while he's been there. So I think he can catch the ball also out of the backfield. But I just don't know what to make of them. I think he kind of you know, what would he do with a big offense with a a good offensive line? I'm going to leave that one to Evan. Dante Forman is a guy that is a talented player coming off a serious injury. So you kind of have to take a wait and see approach see what he looks like reports have been good. But we got to see what he looks like come OTA's training camp. And see if he could emerge and give Miller run for his money. Yeah. I mean, Lamar Miller just. Somehow just survives every single off season. Never really faces a challenge. That's why I call them like the Teflon running back because he just he never even gets challenged. And he. I mean shoot like if you were going to run a statistical projection for Lamar Miller right now you're projecting him for like two hundred seventy five touches again. And so, you know, he he's not fun anymore. He was fun in Miami. But he hasn't been fun in in many years and he runs behind a bad offensive line. They added I mean, they're additions were because how we Roseman jumped them at in the first round there additions were like small school ofensive linemen, Titus Howard and MAC Scharping. I just I don't know how those guys are going to perform are they going to even be positive contributors in year one. And then Dante format. I mean, she we've talked about this for like a year. Now, you know went back and looked at the history of running backs that has torn their achilles. And literally no one has ever come back and been productive at the running. Back position coming off torn achilles. Now, the sample size is small. I mean, it's like ten to fifteen guys over the last ten years, which really tells me just NFL running backs. You know, you get to that level. Like, these guys don't tear their achilles their special kind of athletes, but still, you know, no one has ever come back at this position coming off this injuries. Very explosion sapping injury. According to doctors and. I'm not a fan of this backfield in general, I I know that it looks kind of good on April right now for Lamar Miller from a statistical projection standpoint, but I'm kind of tired of drafting alarm Miller. What about Derek Carr? Derek carr. You know Ross to me there's offenses that. I usually for fantasy purposes I just stay away from this team has added a lot of offense of pieces with in Tonio Brown, tyrel Williams. They drafted Josh Jacobs. I'm going to I'm going to take a contrarian approach this year with this offense. I'm gonna totally fade it, I'm I'm not feeling there with Gruden. I think this team has a lot of potential to blow up in a negative way. And I just don't know how that dynamic is going to work with Antonio Brown and Derek Carr. Derek Carr is not Ben Rothlisberger. And Antonio Brown can talk poorly about Rothlisberger in in. And this probably a lot of you know, things that negative things you can say about Big, Ben. But at the end of the day, the guy knows how to play quarterback in the NFL, and Derek Carr hasn't really figured it out. Just yet he's not at big Ben's level. So I think this offense has got a lot of potential to kind of just blow. Oh up and not really find their way there with Gruden and the pieces that they added, you know, new receivers cut go into new you know, a new offense in the off season. Usually it takes a year to Joe with these guys. So I don't know I'm leaving it alone. I'm just I don't like it something about their cars at least he's cheap. He's really cheap and drafts. That doesn't mean that. I next -sarily want him though, you know, we've talked in the past about how wide receivers changing teams offseason. How that just think it raises a red flag increases their bus potential and shoot they are essentially putting together an entirely new receiver core. It's not just one guy. I mean, it's the entire receiver. Core is going to be new guys Santoni. Oh, Brown's tyrel Williams. You know, I think the slot guy might be Ryan grant or hunter Renfro who they drafted out of. Clemson the tight end looks like it might be daring Waller who played wide receiver at Georgia Tech in new running back. Josh Jacobs who wasn't even a starter on his college team. I think you know, we've talked we've talked about him. I think he's a good talent. But we have not seen him handle a big. Workload you know, since like high school. So it's it's a boom bust offense. I think is maybe the best way to describe it could go really, well, it could all go. It could also go pretty poorly tough one to project their at least Derek cards cheap though. I mean, no one's no one's been overdrafted him or anything. How 'bout latavius Murray? Seemingly went in a pretty good spot down there in New Orleans that whole Mark Ingram. Saint situation was kind of weird Nelson. But latte Murray is the next man up behind Alvin Kamara down there in New Orleans. This might be a lazy approach on my part. But I I see this as a clear swap of Murray and Ingram. So I expect Murray to take on Ingram's workload as kind of like early down guy. See a few third down a little bit of passing down work every once in a while and get some go line. Which is on a really good offense. So I you know, what's not to like about Murray. I guess. Yeah. Huge on them. I'm huge on them. I think that see like it depends on on whom with you draft. But. He could be in an amazing value. If you could get it like an a seven three th-round now like on on draft dot com. It the ADP is super sharp there right now. I mean, he's a fifth round pick. So that's pretty early for latavius Murray. I haven't been able to get him very much so far. But I think he was a massive winter. You know, they didn't add anybody in the draft. Latavius was just a one for one exchange with Mark Ingram latavius Murray. You look over the past three years. No one in the NFL. Has more carries inside the phone? I've yard line. Multiple coaching staffs in the NFL have identified. The tavis Marie is a guy that they wanna give the rock in scoring position. And I think the saints are going to do the same and they don't see Alvin Kamara as a true feature back. So that's why they brought in latavius Murray. I think he was a huge winner from the off season. And then from fantasy from fantasy football standpoint is just can't be, you know, can we get him at a decent value? So far. I mean, his cost has been pretty high people are onto him. I can I can chime in on this too. Because I was I call on the sideline for Saint Redskins last year. And that was week five when Brees broke the record. But also it was when Mark Ingram came back from his four game suspension and talking with some of the saints coaches, they were really excited to have Ingram back because. Because they know how good Kamerhe is. They love Chimaera, but they're very cognizant of wearing him out running him into the ground using him too much him getting hurt and not being able to be this special dynamic player. He is. So I would agree with what both you guys just said there that is very much on their radar screen. They were so thankful that Ingram was back because they were so worried that Kamerhe was going to get hurt those first four weeks because they were going to use them too much. There's a little bit of insight there. What about Lamar Jackson that came to you Evan when you did the Twitter crowd sourcing from Zine Mitchell. Did you like Lamar Jackson after this draft a little bit more is he a winner for you Nelson. So I love the talent with Lamar Jackson. And I thought to myself that last year that it was probably going to take them a year or two. Two in the NFL because he came out just a little bit raw and we saw that last year towards the end of the season. And in the playoffs that he's raw in the passing game. And I'm leaving the door open because I think quarterbacks like him can definitely take the next step from one year to the next. They brought in marking room there. They have a good offensive line. And then I I love the receivers like miles boykin is like really underrated. When when you he stood out to me at the combine when I watched him which made me go back in in watch his film a little bit. And I didn't realize how athletes this kid was. So, you know, it's kinda like man he went to the ravens, you know, out of all the landing spots. He could have gone to it kinda put a damper on things a little bit for me. But in terms of like Lamar Jackson in like. Real NFL football, not fantasy wise. This was huge. You know that Hollywood Brown boykin. They came out of the draft with those two guys to help the offense because let's face it. This offense is going to be all about Ingram pounding the ball. Jackson running with the ball. And now they're going to be able to keep defenses honest with the speed of marquess Brown and boykin got speed on the outside with some size. So I think overall this it helps the offense. It helps Jackson. It helps Ingram. I just. We I got a I got to see what Jackson looks like if and just see if he could take that next step as a passer. They also added we'll deceive of their draft. I think they just wanted to get a lot more athletic lots faster offensively in. They added Justice hill, you know, number one spark score among all running backs that were even just so much as eligible for the draft. And he ran four four fly. This guy put Chris Carson on the bench at as a true freshman at Oklahoma state Justice hill is out here starting over Chris Carson who's like an above average NFL starting running back. So I I mean, I think the Justice hill can kind of be that chimera to Mark Ingram. Who's now in Baltimore. Mark Ingram was Mark Ingram. So and they got faster as you mentioned with marquees Brown and miles boykin outside. They added Ben powers from Oklahoma to challenge. Alex Lewis who's kind of been the weak link slash guy who has struggled with injuries on the ravens off. Offensive line yet. No question to me. Lamar Jackson has been off season winner. Also got the promotion for Greg Roman under whom tyrod Taylor and Colin Kaepernick had their best seasons. So yeah, I'm definitely in the supporting Amar Jackson camp from fantasy football standpoint this year. The last group of winners. We kinda talked about on last week's episode a little bit when we were talking about Kenyan, Drake. But this to was from Sean fos Nelson. And that's devante Parker and Kenny stills down in Miami. I don't know what to make of Parker instills just yet. You know, as you guys know him a big New England fan and follow them closely Blake every team. But obviously a lot more closer with the patriots. And with O'Shea going there. It's going to be interesting to see how they run their offense. I don't think there's enough. Their offense is not as dynamic in probably not gonna run as many snaps for Parker and still to both be viable. I think it's gonna be maybe one or the other. But I actually think that Albert Wilson might be the winner this off season in that offense and possibly sickie. So I, you know, I don't know how I feel about Parker instills as the winners. It might be another other two players in that offense that might be the winners. Yeah. I think that rubber Wilson is my favorite gotta pick right now. They're all going in the in the double digit round. So you're not having to pay a ton for any of them. And it's just gonna come down to who's going to riff with quarterback. Ryan Fitzpatrick k-, you know, knock them all you want to do super super aggressive. I think he's going to open. Season starting over Josh Rosen. And then they'll eventually kind of transition to Josh Rosen. Just because that's Patrick throws the ball to the other team a little bit too much. But I think he you know, he's probably gonna start out the season as the starter. And who is who does he show chemistry with I think he's gonna love Albert Wilson. So that's the guy that I'm kind of favoring right now. But you know, again, they're all going super late. You can kind of pick your poison with him. I do prefer Albert Wilson. Let's get to similar losers. So the winters took an episode and a half. It is interesting, isn't it that people are much more likely to send you the losers. Spo- Evan then the winners. I guess people are more excited about they want to be positive. I guess that's good. Some of the losers. Amp Mullins submitted Todd Gurley Nelson. As one of the losers. Yeah. I have to agree with that. Todd Gurley was on my fade list for this year. And with the Rams drafting Durell Henderson that just reaffirmed my opinion that there's a little bit of smoke there with girly and some warning flags when Los Angeles matched Malcolm Browne's offer from Detroit and brought him back. They got John Kelly there that kind of I kept track of that in. It was kind of interesting to see that whole thing play out. And then as I'm watching the draft one of my questions that was in the back of my mind was are the Rams going to take an early running back here? They probably don't need it, you know, with John Kelly and bringing back Malcolm Brown. So that was my opinion. But when they took the row Henderson early in the draft that you know. That raise the red flag to me. So I think girlies just a full fade this year. Hate to. I hate to agree, but you have to have to and you know, they they traded up for Durell Henderson, and they matched that offer sheet Tanaka Brown. They didn't have to do that. That's he's not, you know, they never invested anything in. He was an undrafted free agent. He was even there before McVeigh got there. You know? So. There are a bunch of red flags here with Todd Gurley. The reports are that he has arthritis in his knee even come out and said publicly that they can't use him. Like they've used him for the past two to three years. It's going to be really interesting to see whereas eighty p ends up because I I did a Twitter poll the other day. And just you know, trying to get people to predict where his is his average draft position going to end up in the vast majority of people said, hey, still a first rounder. So I think this is a little edge that we can get you know, let other people take him in the first round will take safer picks and just let other people deal with that hassle. I will say this to Evan. If you remember last year, I told her the red flag on Doug Baldwin as soon as they as soon as that came out. The Todd Gurley stuff swelling Mets. There's a reason why they're swelling in his name it. He's going to have to be managed probably for the rest of his career. Unfortunately, what about Darius Geiss Scott rich submitted. This one is that just because of Bryce love in the fourth round, you think Nelson. Yeah. I have to agree with this with this suggestion also because when you look at the offense in general, it's not an exciting offense. He's coming off an injury. They resigned Peterson. I believe they brought him back. If you remember, you know, from a couple years ago Adrian Peterson when he went to New Orleans and was kinda, you know, rotating with Ingram, and Kamara that didn't go too well for a guy like Adrian Peterson and everyone I think remembers sees the highlights of Peterson looking like he was ready to kill Sean Payton, and what's going to happen here in Washington. Do people actually think that Peterson came back to get like five touches a game and be Geis's backup. I don't think. So so when you look at that dynamic, you got Chris Thompson as the third down back. So guys is going to get passing down work. I I don't think so and then Bryce love from dynasty perspective. Because love I think is going to be a redshirt year for him. I loved him at Stanford. I think he's a dynamic running back. But. Coming off the injury. I think it's gonna take them a year, but for dynasty players, you know, next year love Thompsons going to be a free agent Peterson probably this could could potentially be as last year. So then people would say, hey, all right guys is going to get the row. But then you got love coming back from injury. I I don't like it. I he's another guy. Just stay away. Just leave it alone. Yeah. Even before the draft. I could not believe how early people have been taking Darius guys in in fantasy drafts. I mean like multiple rounds ahead of where I'd even start thinking about him. You've got Adrian Peterson. You've got Daria skies. You've got Chris Thompson. Now, you got Bryce love, you know, you got even semi J P Ryan that down the list. I mean, this is not a backfield that I want to invest in at the only guy that I've even considered drafting has been Chris Thomson in literally the last round as my Rb five R B six, but yeah, just stay away backfield until further notice. What about Eric Hebron Nelson? Chris Grumbach gave us that one. See this is getting boring for me because I like to be contrarian and and be able to try to play devil's advocate here. And I can't e- Braun is another good one. You know last year e Brown was value in drafts. And I love Debrecen last year in that offense this year. You have you had Devin funchess you add my favorite wide receiver in the whole draft. Paris campbell. You've got Jack Doyle coming back. E Braun is one of those guys that's going to go drafted a little too high for what I think he's going to end up doing because a lot of his fantasy value last year. I had a ton of Eric Brown. And a lot of his fantasy value was on touchdowns. He scored a lot of touchdowns and he had Jack Doyle who missed a good part of the season. So that helped me Brun this year, it you know, you can't count on those same touchdowns. So I think there's going to be some regression there. Let's get to do you have any eat Brown. Evan. Just full agreement. If you go back in adjust for games where Jack Doyle played last year, Eric Iran's playing time and targets sank. I mean hit rock bottom. So and he's another guy that I mean goodness. I can't believe people take this guy. Like the seventh eighth round. I would not even consider him until the fourteenth fifteenth round Eric Brown because there's a good chance that the guy's gonna be playing like twelve snaps a game. Because that's what he did last year. When when Jack Doyle was healthy. Let's get to Rex Burkhead. This is up here up your alley their Nelson as a patriots fan. Dill Esquire dill ask I don't know DIA L. Yes. Cues the one that said Burkhead. Yeah. He's another guy that. You always I'm always excited to see what Bella chick does each year. Because he he always seems like he's a step ahead of the NFL in terms of trends and how to. How to change change up schemes and things like that? And this year the patriots have had quite a bit of turnover in their offense with gronkowski retiring. That's a huge one. And I was kinda I'm kinda interested to see what they decide to do. And what the offense is gonna look like. And when the patriots go and draft Damien Harrison the third round when you look at their backfield, and you've got Sony Michelle coming off a really strong playoff run. And you've got James white there. And you've got Rex Burkhead and you bring in Brandon Bolden back from Miami. You one would think you don't need, you know, running backs not a priority here, and okay, if they took one maybe in the six round, you know, there's nothing to see here, whatever it's six round. But when you take a guy in the third round at running back. Back in a position that you would think that you don't need, you know, something's up here. You know? And I haven't you know, put exactly figured it out just yet. But I do know this much like Damian Harris is gonna probably play over birkhead if there's a Sony injury. Yeah. This Damian Harris pick just really pissed me off at the hand of taste three or at the end of day two. I'm like man birkhead. He's done in a on birkhead. I've been a birkhead truth for for a long time. But it's not good for birkhead. I I'm worried, you know, I guess they could keep five. I mean, they're definitely going to keep Bolden because they just paid him. They gave him guaranteed money. Obviously. Michelle isn't going anywhere. James white isn't going on anywhere Damon Harrison going anywhere is third round pick, you know, so they need to keep five for birkhead to to to stick. And I I'm worried man, I'm worried like the injuries can happen it cetera. But I mean, he's been good on special teams. I don't know. I I want him to sticks. So I'm super biased here. I probably wouldn't even comment. Well, he was really good for them at the end of the year. I think they are going to keep five or else they would trade one of them. They basically have like no tight ends right now. I mean, I just I think I think you might see more to running back sets. I think he's might see them use these guys more often in the slot with what their current wide receivers are right now as well. But interesting how about Markey's go one. This is also from dill esque Markey's going out in San Francisco with them taking deebo Samuel, and Jalen Hurd, Nelson love deebo Samuel. So I was really interested to see where Campbell and Samuel. We're going to go. And I think it's a great landing spot for him. I think Dante Pettis in his second year. You know is another guy. That's gonna command target so marquess Goodwin. I think is. You know, I think he's a great guy just following him throughout his career. And and following some of the off the field stuff that he's had to deal with you know, my my heart breaks for the guy. I think he's a great guy. But as far as when we're talking just purely fantasy wise, I think he's gonna be kind of stretched the field kind of guy in that offense. But he's not going to command a great amount of targets there. Now, you got George Kitto also. So I would probably tend to agree that he you know, he was probably a loser in the off season. Yeah. Forty Niners receiver core. Plus tight end core getting an running back corps shoot is going to be something that we're going to be working on all off season to try to figure out. I don't I don't have any great insight here we can move onto the next one. How about Jalen Samuels after the Steelers drafted Benny Snell. I mean how how high was same as people's fantasy radar to start now. That offense has always been a one back type of offense. You know, anytime Levy on bell miss time. It was the Angela Williams coming in. You know, James Connor basically got the whole workload last year until he went down. And then that's when Samuel's came in. So. You know, snow them drafting snow. I'm not really high on snow. I don't think snow's really that good. You know, ran a four six six at the combine. I don't think there's anything to see here. I think Samuels is. You know is fine. I think he keeps his spot. Yeah. Do they see Samuels as more of like a sort of a tight end? I mean, we're like h back or you know, I thought that was an interesting pick. I mean, that's pretty relatively either. Take a running back fourth round. And Benny Snell is just like he's a grinder. You know, he didn't catch a lot of passes in college. He's like, I think he's he might be the direct backup to James Connor. I think it did hurt Jalen Samuels. But it's also a situation that again, you know, we're going to have to cut a monitor through training camp in the preseason games who's lining up where Jalen Samuels came out of college. He was a pass catcher, you know. He was I mean, I think he had more catches than carries or something at NC state. I remember there was some statistic like that. So I don't know it's I'm going to have to keep continue to monitor situation. But it's going to be very interesting one. To monitor because we know how valuable running back in that offense is I mean, they're bringing back what four or five of their five starters from last year. If you're not counting Gilbert because they're bringing back filer because I think he had more starts last year than Marcus Gilbert. But yeah, definitely a situation a monitor closely behind James Connor, I think James Connor is a first round fantasy pick. And then the other guys are like late round fantasy picks but late round fantasy picks with upside. How 'bout Nelson how out Giovanni Bernard Cincinnati? Yeah. It's probably game over for him. I think with Cincinnati drafting Trayvon Williams who kind of fits the same mold of geo. And then them grabbing Rodney Anderson who you know, injury injuries aside. I think Rodney Anderson was one of the most talented running backs coming out of this draft. If not the most talented, so I see him if healthy as the clear backup to mixing and then for like, dynasty wise, Trayvon Williams is kind of going to be the guy that takes over for geo. And then when GIO becomes, you know, I just see it as a situation that, you know, Geos probably not long for Cincinnati. They also drafted Rodney Anderson in the six round super talented guy. But he's heard a lot. But still I mean, the them investing two running backs in they kind of gave us a tell on this last off season when they drafted Mark wall. Alton, and he of course, did not work out. I mean, he he's already out of the league. But now they draft to more running backs. It's almost like they're trying to push GIO out the door. So yeah, I, you know, that's the guy that maybe the buccaneers could try to acquire via trade for cheap. How about Corey Davis and Taylor Juan Taylor with the titans at proof-read meat. That's interesting Twitter. Handle proof, read me. What what do you got on the titans receivers? Yeah. I tend to agree with that. I'm Corey Davis sky. But I'm I'm disappointed in that situation there because it's probably going to be a low. There's going to be low passed down volume to go around. It's going to be a run game type of offense. And then when you go and add Adam Humphreys, and you sign him to a decent size contract. And then you draft AJ Brown. You know, this probably it's probably a situation to just leave all those receivers alone. And in probably concentrate on the on the backfield. Yeah. Let me throw this back to you. I mean, he's Derrick Henry A winter. You know, you look at the titans backfield they're bringing back to know. Louis didn't add anybody though. I mean, it's Derrick Henry Dion Lewis, David flu, Ellen Dalen, dock ins and Jerry MC mcnichols. That's literally there depth chart at running back. What do you think about Derrick Henry right now? Yeah. I think he's he's the winner of this off season. And I agree that, you know, Davis in in those guys are are definitely going to they just gonna eat into each other. You know, I don't think you're gonna see a consistent guy emerge out of that offense. Especially you got Delaney. Walker coming back. So I would say that. It's it's more about, you know, Henry for sure what about in. Baltimore would kind of talked about this with Lamar Jackson as a winner. But Gus Edwards, Kenneth Dixon. Nut not a great off-season for those two. No, not not at all. I mean, Mark Ingram. They signed the contract says he's going to be the guy, and it makes sense. They drafted Justice hill, although hill, I think of as if Ingram went down. I don't necessarily think he'll would be the guy that they'd be looking forward to grind in between the tackles. I think they brought him into kinda give that backfield at different dynamic and just get a little bit faster back there. So possibly Edwards or Dixon could emerge with an Ingram injury. But. Yeah. Not those guys are just clear backups. Yeah. I mean, it's it looks like four guys kind of candidates for touches actually think that Mark Ingram has gotten to the point where he's a little bit overrated. I think that people just see oh the run heavy offense. Oh, that's great for Marquette Ingraham. They're going to use two or three backs. And he's not going to catch passes. I mean, we and we've talked about this a lot over the years. Recei running backs that play in the same backfield as quarterbacks that run their catch potential goes way way down because the quarterback is likely to run the ball himself, then to shut down to the Rb. And you know, Mark Ingram is going to have a really low catch total. And I think he's going to have fewer carries than people anticipate and Gus Edwards is a huge loser. And Kenneth Dixon as a huge loser. I mean, not not a real life but in fantasy and that, you know, an adding Justice hill, I mean, that's just further cements them as losers from fantasy standpoint. Finally, we've got Ryan Reynolds submitted Patrick Mahomes, and I'm assuming that has a lot to do with the tyreek hill situation and less Shawn McCoy. Now that the bills seemingly have a million running backs. They got a younger Leshan McCoy supposedly in single Terry TJ Yeltsin's there, what do you agree on Mahomes and McCoy yet don't forget Frank gore also signed over there. So. I mean, forget McCoy. I mean, there's nothing to see there. He's a guy that shouldn't really be a target for anyone in in fantasy. And then as far as Mahomes, you know, it's kind of it's kind of interesting because he's coming off that monster season last year, and he's moved way up in drafts. But you know, he's lost some weapons there. So they drafted the, you know, hardman kid who's basically, I guess a spitting image of tyreek. But I look at him as he was kinda raw. You know at Georgia. So I I don't I don't know. I think this offense takes a step back possibly, and I could see where you know, they have Sammy Watkins who is a legit talent. So Mahomes is not gonna put up the year that he had last year. So there's going to be regression there. I don't know if I'm ready to call him, you know, a loser in the off season. But he definitely it. Put a dent in his potential this year. Yeah. Tyreek hill huge difference maker. So if they lose him that that's going to be it's gonna be a big deal. I think he's going to experience some natural regression. The problem with Patrick Mahomes is his draft position. Because this guy's going second and third round. And that's awfully high for a running for a quarterback we in. We we've gotten ourselves into trouble. You know, doing this kind of stuff historically with Shawn Watson Shawn Watson last year was drafted as a second or third round pick. And I mean, he was good. But he didn't really help you win fantasy games. You know, he didn't help you win fantasy weeks over your opponent. So you know, Patrick Mahomes is going to be a conundrum throughout the off season. I I would consider him a loser. So would I would too about which all McCoy is just not a guy that right now, I won't draft. You know, who's not a loser Nelson Susa is it Souso Sousa. It can be both got it. I like it versatile. See that's the kind of person. That's the number one. High stakes fantasy football player in the galaxy. 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Middlekauff  3 & Out  NFL vs. NBA free agency; Zions in the NFL; AFC South O/U's' Middlekauff Mailbag

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

58:32 min | 2 years ago

Middlekauff 3 & Out NFL vs. NBA free agency; Zions in the NFL; AFC South O/U's' Middlekauff Mailbag

"Take clay Travis host of the out kick coverage podcast. Join me every day as I give you the nation strongest opinions on the biggest stories in sports, if you're looking for a sports podcast at smarter, original funny and authentic al-qaeda coverage clay Travis the perfect podcast for you. I even recently launched a brand new podcast called a wins and losses with clay Travis which features long conversations with the biggest names in sports business entertainment. Listen on apple podcast or the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. What is going on? Everybody renowned podcast back again. It is you twenty seventh as record that to live right around the corner. Hopefully, summer's going well in the in the slow time of the NFL calendar for sure. But don't worry. That's why get paid the big bucks, actually got to think I got a lot going on today. With NBA free agency starting. I think there are some parallels and some interesting things I just got me thinking about the NFL just one thing, they really have going for them because I thought forever free agency in the NFL wasn't that interesting because big players, did not ever hit the market like the equivalent of LeBron Kawai Anthony, Davis, Kevin Durant Klay Thompson like that level player in his prime never hits free agency. But the NFL has had a drastic change, I think, is really helped that period out, drew Brees gave Zaylon assigned jersey and basically said like he's passing the torch and it got me thinking, like Zion, if he becomes LeBron James, or a player of that magnitude, which hopefully, does I don't know if you saw when he got draft these are crying. It was awesome. But I think there are several quarterbacks right now they can have Zay on type impact on their team in dive into. That. And then I did the AFC east, I did the NFC east today, I will do the AFC south and then I'll do the NFC south next week. I may only have one podcast now next week fourth of July falls on Thursday, but we'll see. Maybe I'll do too. We'll take it take a day by day. And then we'll get into the middlekauff mail bag as I do on every show, fire been my DM's at John middlekauff on Instagram and all enter questions here up on the podcasts. But let's start with this. You don't not everything in sports is black and white. Like I do think there's a point in time like the NBA, for example, has basically, become like the weekly of sports, their off-season is way more captivating and interesting than their than their actual product. And is that a good or bad thing? I think they've kinda hit the slippery slope. Now where it's almost a bad thing like you need your games to matter in sports, and I say this all the time the greatest thing football has going for is the sport is there just urgency to every game because every gay matters you just can't really fake. Right. You only play sixteen of them, the inventory of the amount of games are dramatically smaller than baseball or basketball clearly than baseball. But even the basketball. You do the math eighty two divided by sixteen. I'm not a mathematician, but was at seven six five times. Fifteen four times fifteen is sixty seventy five yeah. So it'd be like like five those what you know, I mean every game is like a fifth of the season. That's it's a big deal. And I, I think the NFL forever like NBA free agency this last, like ten years with LeBron changing. The sport has become a really big deal because big time players hit free agency and these guys have gotten so rich that they're in such a different world even like NFL players. They're making CEO level money. They can turn down millions upon millions of dollars people signed up in my DM's when they're asking questions for middlekauff mailbag often go like, you know, do you think this guy would take less money in the NFL? The simple answer, whenever you're talking about an NFL free agent. They don't worry about as much about fit about coaching staff about all that stuff. Secondary. The money is always first. Because if you get dramatically more, guaranteed money, you can't turn that down. Especially in a sport where your career might not be long thing about this, like LeBron James going into year seventeen year seventeen most NFL player's career lasts, like ten years. A good player twelve years. It's crazy to see a non quarterback go fifteen plus years, but the NBA they do have this next week is a big week for them. You're gonna have a lot of potentially a lot of player movement forever. And I found this out when I went to the NFL, all NFL free agency, and I remember I vividly remember putting up the board in the eagles office with the magnets of all these names. I remember the time was like Ray rice, the Hello de NADA. Nandi awesome want. That was swinging a miss. But just a lot Logan Mankins in all these guys names, who would always get franchised. They would always and they'd never hit the market, which I always, I'm adamant. And I believe this to my core. That's another thing, the NFL has done for it can keep players if you wanna keep them and the number one thing for the consumer who literally pays for every penny. Appro sports, you can't descru- them over all the time. And I think sometimes in the NBA they're kind of getting toyed with little the fan because the fan starts out, and you guys all reach out to me. I'm someone so fan. You're a fan of the team I, but the NFL for a long, long time, just didn't have as much movement impactful movement in free agency. Really, the big offseason moment, was always much more tailored to the draft. Right. There draft was really the most important draft. Even unlike the NBA because every round. Is producing is they're gonna have big impacts on Sunday immediately. Second round picks in the NBA are going to suck in the NFL seven rounders are going to be starters, but free agency always left something to be desired. And then this kind of new wave of aggressive, GM's, younger GM's have made trading such a big deal. Look at the amount of players like these this list of players. They actually didn't sign his free agents, but they basically were used like they in free agency. Odell Beckham junior year after he signed his big deal with the giants trade Frank Clark who they weren't gonna franchise traded D Ford traded Amari Cooper last year traded Khalil Mack traded. I mean obviously Jon Gruden added to this list Brandin cooks traded twice. Oh, I thought it was Peterson Marcus Peters. The corner from Kansas City traded. Now, Andy Reid has hand in a couple of these, he's always been a very progressive mind, very aggressive, but I think a lot of people now have kind of come to that level, and it's added a lot more injury. So the NFL free agency market now, the most interesting part, unlike the NBA were players literally are just unrestricted free agents you can't furniture is tag me. And I just leave because if there was a franchise tag, what would happen right now? Coli Leonard would get franchise tag. Kevin Durant would get franchise tagged Kemba Walker would get franchise, tag, Klay Thompson, they would just max out, but they would franchise, Kevin Durant. And they would max out Klay Thompson. Like, that's what would happen. But instead in the NFL forever, it was like God. These guys are never going to lead. Well now that just get traded today beyond cloudy, what's going to happen to him. I don't know he might if he gets traded in the next month, what I'd be shocked. No, I actually kind of expected. So I do think the NFL's adapt that way, and that their free agency now is basically just the trademark. It's no longer just these unrestricted. I'm excited for next week because it's always cool when there's movement in the NBA is like at the edges like the apex right now of movement, because you have the superstar strutted free agency class. And it feels like a lot of them are gonna move teams were in the NFL. You like this guy's not going anywhere. It's going to get franchise. But now we see because the turnover and head coaches there has been a crazy amount of turnover with GM's these last several years. These players getting traded and they've been a dodo Beckham trade was one of the crazier moments of the year. Right. Flint Frank Clark deformed kind of swap was nuts. The Cleal MAC trade is still one of the crazier trades, ever given how much they gave up how much they ended up paying him how that trade will the great part about trades. And that's what's kind of cool about the Anthony Davis trade is there's always so much to it. Like the raiders got the two first round picks. But they didn't think the bears were going to be any good and then the bears won the division and, and the pick was twenty three I think they've thought the pick was going to be twenty two. So when you just see a guy leave it unrestricted free agency. He just leaves part of like when you get a big trade is usually at the throw in some sweet draft picks will then there's that Hoyle in the room. Well, what if the team is actually good? Is that draft pick going to be good? Is that draft is going to be bad. That's the big thing with. Anthony Davis, right? They have all these trades coming up in, like ten years, or maybe not that long. Seven eight years. What's it gonna look like it could be ugly, or it might not phase them? There's so much unknown with these traits. I actually more of a I'm more of a sucker for a sweet trade that I am just an unrestricted free agency signing in any sport. They're always got a little more juice to it. And the NFL now is kind of making a killing off the trade market. This podcast began with a simple premise, but things don't always go as planned in something happened during production something. No one expected. I'm going to let you in a dark secret, southern have tried to hide from almost everyone for the past few years. I can't sleep at night. And when I am able to sleep I have nightmares, not the kind of nightmares that our child might have, but the kind that can only come from the mind of a grown adult who seen and read a little too much. I'm hoping that if I can get this off my chest. Maybe just maybe I'll be able to shake these killers out of my head long enough to get some much needed rest. From iheartradio and tender foot TV monster presents insomniac. Listen and subscribe to monster presents insomniac at apple podcasts on iheartradio app ever. You listen to podcasts. I saw pretty cool video the other day it was. I saw it like might have been during Colin show or maybe on Twitter. I don't even remember drew Brees had gifted Zaylon a sign jersey. And I think he wrote on the jersey or left in no basically saying, I'm passing the torch like this is going to be your city now. And Zion, who is just as likable of a young pro athlete as I think we've ever seen. I mean maybe since like ninety two shack maybe like a super young Brett farve. There is a select few of just guys that are vibrant elite talent always smile. Every kid wants to know or have a piece of apparel with that guy's name on and the parents are proud to get it. And I think he's one of those guys, obviously drew Brees kind of one of those guys, too, but he. Came in a little older in life. But it got me thinking, like in the NFL. To have Zion. A true true franchise changer. He has to be a quarterback like last year. I've become a pseudo. Chicago Bears fan. I've got a helicopter. You know if Matt Nagy ever left. I don't know if I'd be as big a fan, but I got some buddies. No people that work in the organization and then they got Khalil Mack. Who's my might have been my favorite player in the league. It was awesome. But just him by himself, and he was he helped him become a solid team. And because they were going to be good last year. He took them to new level won the division. But, like in the playoffs, it was kind of up to Mitch like if the bears are going to take a huge step, it's going to because become mitch's team like he's going to even if their defense stays really. He's going to have to make plays in big games. We all know that. I'm preaching to the choir here. There's probably not a business like this, in all of America that, at that level billion dollar business that is dependent more on one human even more than the coach more than the CEO more than the just a quarterback. If you have a bad ass quarterback, you could overcome everything. Now, eventually you may hit some rough spots, but. You will win at your quarterbacks a bad ass. And I started looking around the league and I just wrote down a couple of guys like if your quarterback hits like boom that colts draft Peyton Manning franchise changed. Boom the patriots hit on Tom Brady franchise change when Ron woolfe traded for Brett farve. It's basically having an NBA superstar land in your lap. It changes your franchise forever. In clearly, we have a couple of guys kind of in their prime that are great examples of that right now obviously, the older guys, the Ross burgers, Brady breeze. You know, even Rodgers. But I think we got two guys in the sweet spot. Right. Russell Wilson and Andrew luck now luck was a little unique because he was replacing manning. So their franchise was already pretty elite but it was basically just because of Peyton we saw Peyton removed. They were terrible paint missed the season. They're one of the worst teams we've ever seen. And then they got Andrew luck. Boom didn't skip a beat Seattle's probably a better example, because the majority of my. My life. I guess there was a little period with home grin when they got good, but for the most part, Seattle suck and then when Pete Carroll went there. They were in major trouble in Russell Wilson take your franchise now he wasn't Russell Wilson it. I write their defense kind of did. But they've been able to maintain sustain and do everything because of him I looked around the league like who is likely to kind of be the next Zion in theory. Now again, I'm not saying these guys resigned level talents. We don't even know we haven't seen Zion play game. But I'm assuming he's going to be a great NBA player health is long as as healthy. I think he's going to be elite. Well, there are several quarterbacks right now that have a chance to change the franchise. What we just saw one last year became in again he was drafted to a team that was already good. But it's pretty clear that Patrick Mahomes is an absolute franchise changer coteries ever won a Super Bowl. The chiefs have never won the Super Bowl. I'm pretty sure I got my check my NFL histor-. Maybe they one way back in the day was at the I check my NFL history on that one, but they hadn't won a playoff game in forever, again born in eighty four so don't, don't shoot the messenger. But clearly Patrick Mahomes, for as good as that team's been in the large majority of my adult life, the chiefs have been good. They were good in the nineties with Marty Schottenheimer then they were good when when ver- meal went there now their defense wasn't good. Buddy, scored a lot of points member a couple years ago, even Scott yoli's guy they made the playoffs. Coach read is made the playoffs like before Mahomes four out of five years, but it's pretty clear like this guy is like going from good NBA player like Landon, Kevin Durant, like the warriors were good with Harrison Barnes, and then they Kevin Durant. It was like game over the guy, I promise you, if mom stays healthy, he's going to win a SuperBowl in his career like that's going to happen, so that I wouldn't even put him quite in the in this kind of group because he's already established. He is elite. Right. I know that here's the group though, that I think can get very interesting. The three guys from last. Darnold, Allen and Baker. I wouldn't even put Rosen on the side, just because he's already been trade. I just I, I like Josh Rosen, but I'm gonna put I'm going to red flag him not necessarily in a bad way. I just don't even know what to do with them yet. I know this, the New York Jets have been an absolute dumpster fire, the majority of last twenty five years, Sam darnold, can change this all. And now he's got an offense of head coach. I'm a big Sam darnold, believer based on his college stuff. I'll be honest. I didn't watch that much of them last year. I'm not putting that much stock in the last year, they had a Dead Man Walking is the coats wide receiver sucked. They had no offense of weapons or offense of line wasn't good. I think we can start evaluating them now, but he definitely is that type guy in theory him an Josh Allen, because Josh Allen, the bills now they just broke the longest streak of not making the playoffs in the NFL, right? Since ninety nine not a math major, but pretty. Sure that's nineteen years. Maybe twenty depends if you count that ninety nine year. There's a long time now. I'm not the biggest Josh Allen believer from talent standpoint. Love the human foam on Instagram big fan of the person. He's the type person you wanna bet on. I just not a huge like I have a philosophy if you really inaccurate in college, you're probably gonna be really inaccurate and the pros, it usually doesn't change overnight, and that's his biggest issue. They haven't really. They added a bunch of midget wide receiver, so I don't expect him to just hit a bunch of these guys when they're catching radius small now, maybe it'll prove me wrong. I'm rooting for him but of Josh Allen becomes a superstar. I mean he, he would change the course of the bills franchise Baker. Who I think is already been anointed this level. He's the Ziona Cleveland, like let's pump breaks a little bit. But I will not dispute it does feel like is chance to be pretty special. And unlike darnold, Allen, you go. Well, his team's pretty quipped. It's the one thing about Zion, Zion showing up to the pelicans they got Brandon Ingram now. They got Lonzo ball. They also have drew holiday, they got. Max lot. They can go sign like Al Horford their team to be pretty good thing with Baker mayfield's, like, okay, I wasn't. I didn't start the first three or four games last year. Because tyrod, then I came in I was pretty solid have a little blemish cut didn't play that well against winning teams. But we had no wide receivers. You know, we had some weird stuff going on coach. Got fired whatever. Now, we can go, okay. You gotta loaded. I mean you gotta you gotta lot to work with you. Right. You got Ono Beckham junior, who's one of the most talented players in the league you got Jarvis Landry who's one of the most consistent players in the league you have Nick Chubb, who I think most people around the league was as one of the better young running backs in the league, you had the super talented, you know, offensive weapon of tight end that can just fly make plays like you're ready to roll, and you got a division, this kind of influx, though. I wouldn't count the Steelers but like Baker Mayfield. I saw his, his odds to win the MVP or twenty five to one like to me. He's got a chance if the. Cleveland Browns win the AFC north now, I don't necessarily think they will. But if they do that means he's going to have a big year, and that means thirty five forty touchdowns for Baker Mayfield may win the north the Cleveland Browns win the north. He'll win the MVP Mitch in Chicago. And I don't think you'll necessarily see this year because and I'm not saying I wouldn't put Mitch these guys category. But if Mitch does become a really good player and Muhima matinee Matt Nagy able to take them to the next level, like hill have been a big reason to save the Chicago Bears. They drafted him. Number two, overall, the traded up together, one spot that was kind of crazy and let's face it. The bears have never really had a quarterback. So if Mitch Trubisky get this team, we're doesn't just look like the defense is carrying them because that's what it kinda was last year. Now he had a couple moments I forget who it was against was against the Jaguars. He threw six touchdowns when game I remember watching it was one of the morning games. I think at five in the first half might have been against the bills. I I mean you bears fans. No. But it was just an my God. If msrb isky looks like compassion Mahomes right now, but because we've seen flashes but if he ever becomes James, the course of the Chicago Bears. I mean he will be as I on now again, I'm not saying that any of these guys are Zion level towns because they're not to me, the only I on level talent of last, like ten years, Andrew luck. But as we've seen over and over like if you become a superstar quarterback you become a rockstar in this league you become Russell Wilson Russell those was their round pick. The Shawn Watson who left a pretty bad taste in my mouth on that playoff game just because you saw some of his deficiencies now maybe you just off, but his arm strength. He's had a pretty damn good, you know special year and a half as Texan starting quarterback. And the Texans who have never won dick from let's call it, what it is. I mean they've won a handful of playoff games. They've never been to the AFC championship game. Now they haven't been around that long. But the facts are the facts like this is a team that has really nothing in their trophy. Case if he ever can get this team to assume bowl or win a Super Bowl. I mean this guy would go down as one of the most accomplished quarterbacks ever national champion in college super winner in the pros, you would think if they're like a one or two seeds he's gonna win MVP one day their offense pretty loaded. They have an offense quarterback or offense of coach. I kind of like Shawn Watson to become the rockstar out of this group and then the last guy, he's a little older. But because like Jimmy Garoppolo didn't play in new in New England in rightfully so Tom Brady was starting quarterback. But if you can be the guy to save the San Francisco, forty Niners by far, the biggest brand on the west coast, you become an immediate rockstar. Plus, he already kinda resonates like Sam darnold. Josh allen. I mean to their fan bases. They do but I don't think the casual guy like Jimmy garoppolo's much more famous than all these guys, probably beside Baker. You say Jimmy Garoppolo and part of that is just the patriots but patriots is part of his resume. And then I think he's trying to think I guess, to Sean tours ACL but to Charlotte, also rookie winning tours ACL ending torn practice when Jimmy t when you tear your ACL a game and everyone's watching it has a little more like magnitude in staying power with the fans. Now it's the same ultimate result like you're out. But when I watch you, Terry racy L, or you tear, your ACL in a practice or not. I think kind of hits us a little differently. So I think Jimmy has a big chance to become, you know, just a superstar like let's call what it is. I got darnold. Allan Baker to Sean Mitch Jimmy, like Mahomes, already a store that group of guys, probably out of the seven one, two, three, four five out of the six four of them are going to. We're gonna. In five eight years ago that ain't live up to the hype. And probably one of them is going to become a hall of Famer and the other one's going to become probably like Tony Romo. Now, I'm still a big believer in Jimmy. I think Jimmy, I almost plan them as the most talented of this group. I've Abakar right up there, too because Baker so accurate. But Jimmy can stay healthy darnold? I mean, did you have the jets working against them? The bills he's one of the offense a piece like you could see how it goes the other way fast. Like Shawn Watson, clearly just not gonna suck because they already have good players around him. Mitt is getting the big wild guard like you pry bet against him. But some of these guys are not just gonna hit but they're going to be stars because if you become a consistent winner in the NFL and you're the quarterback and you're young, we anoint you. We put you on a pedestal. I mean, hell we've done that with Mahomes, and I mean Mahomes has got to the AFC James game but it's not like he's wanted anything yet, but I think we all including myself have him as a star. I can't wait to watch this group. Is next season? Okay. Let's dive into another division earlier this week. I did the NFC east today, I will do the AFC south, we'll just work our way across the country star in east and we're moving west. I could have just jumped south or north. I just I shows the south so we'll do the south today and I'll do the NFC south next week. But the AFC south just as a whole, I think it's fair to say this is one of the better divisions in football. You could argue it's as deep as any division, input ball. It might be the best division in football last year. You had to make the playoffs with a third basically there was a plane game week seventeen I think just looking at it from someone that has no dog in the fight here. Not I don't necessarily root for any of these guys. You know, people that I know John Robinson's, the general manager of the titans been on the show before route for him. John de Filipo known them forever. He's with the Jags root for him colts. I don't know. Chris ballard. But he seems like a cool guy to know I know college buddies with them. I just like him and like lock the Texans. I feel like because everyone hates Bill O'Brien. I just kind of, like Bill O'Brien but I don't necessarily I don't know that many dogs in the fights here. I don't really care, but I think any normal unemotional football fan, we'll go got us divisions. Pre damn good. Because it is. And what's the main reasons good? We got Andrew luck. You have to Shawn Watson. He gets hurt but he's still pretty good when he's healthy. And I when I mean, pretty good I mean like a Alex Smith like player, Marcus mariota, and then you get Nick foles. So it's a good quarterback division. But let's start with the over unders. I'll start at the top the Indianapolis Colts. When you look at the Indianapolis goals made the playoffs last year won a playoff game on the road against Houston Texans. They were the wildcard remember last year. They started like was owned four zero one five and these rattle off a bunch of wins. You look at their off-season. They they're again. They're over an. Under his nine and a half first glance. I liked the over I think there are eleven twelve win team. They added Devon punches. They drafted. Paris Campbell to do the confli from Ohio State. They also their pass rushes kind of hit or miss d'amico, Autry had a good year last year, but Justin Houston, who is he a little over the hill? Is he a great pass rusher anymore? Probably not. But he's so good against the writings, a good player. To me. That's the biggest question Mark there DB's, you know, hit or miss, but their offensive line is much improved their wide receivers long as you got lucky going gonna produce. They hit a home run last year with Eric Hebron mean Quinton Nelson looks like a hall of Famer the middle linebacker. They drafted last year in the second round dairies Leonard was a store, their coaches solid you gotta like their team. I mean, I just usually the Indianapolis Colts nine and a half it feels like I will be shellshocked, if they don't win double digit games. And I at the end of the day, like him to win eleven or twelve I think they win the division, you can get them, plus one twenty to win the division the Texans. They had, you know, interesting off season, just fired their general manager at took a first round offensive lineman who not the casual football fan has never heard of because he was a small school guy. They were jumped, you know, by Howie Roseman, the Philadelphia Eagles before they're packed for what many viewed is the best probably highest upside. Offense. Linemen in the draft definitely the best passed protecting offense alignment of the draft. Andre Dillard, and that's the big problem with Texans. They can't pass protect. Don't love Lamar Miller. But Hopkins store will Fuller's coming back to Shawn Watson a good player defensively. I mean JJ watt who I did not think was going to be anywhere near as good as he was last year. Looks fantastic. Mercilus is good there DB's. I mean their defense is always solid clowney has become a good player. He's kind of the wild card in this whole deal because he's franchised rumors are Bill Bryan's at that high on them. They're definitely not going to pay him is someone gonna trade for him. I don't see anyone break in the Bank forum kind of a complicated situation. I would imagine he misses all the training camp shows up week one. Even that being said, I still think they're just rosters talented. They have way too many blue chip, guys, they cloudy, they got what they would have to Sean. They have Hopkins have a coach has proven. He can win. I like them. To win ten games. So I like the over there. The titans to me. They're kind of the sleeper again. If Mario can just stay healthy. They have proven. They're a playoff team when he plays they win games because defensively they're front seven is really good. Derrick Henry is starting to show signs. He's a good player. Dion Lewis good running back Corey Davis had some flashes last year. They drafted AJ Brown who many viewed was the best wide receiver at ole miss not decay mecca and I would agree with that. They drafted the kid in the first round from Mississippi State. I think Simmons's last name who towers ACL that many have viewed people that I know in the league that he was a lock top five top seven player. They got him what like pick eighteen or nineteen or wherever it was late in the teens now he's coming up in SEO, I would assume he's not gonna play. So that's kind of that has no impact this season. But big picture. I remember going to practice last year. Their team is talented. Like they have a lot of good players. That's why every year they win. Eight nine. Nine ten games this eight number. I my first reaction. I just wouldn't bet it, I wouldn't feel comfortable, taking the under because I just think they have too much talent. Move rebels a good coach our coaching staff solid, their offense was shitty last year. Well they had a first time coordinator, where's he now he's the head coach the Green Bay Packers? So their offense could it be better? Maybe I don't see why not again I to me the biggest, I guess question, Mark with this team. If you like the over which would mean you'd probably think there are a playoff team because if they're going to win, you know, nine ten games, you probably get wild card. That would mean you'd probably take the Texans spot, and they'd be an eight or seven win team. You're betting on Marcus mariota plan. Now, you gotta give John Robinson's of credit. He made a pretty interesting. I'd say you made one of the more interesting moves the offseason he trained for Ryan tannehill a guy that's beneficial time starter since he's coming in the NFL now he's often hurt too. But that is easily right now. Now that Nick foles. Is with the Jaguars who will get to next. Let's easily the best backup at the NFL right now is Ryan tannehill. The other thing is hard to get hurt when backup because you're not really playing you're not taking all the reps. So I, I actually, and we'll get to the, the divisional odds, obviously, I said the culture plus one twenty. The Texans are plus two twenty the titans. Actually, the worst odds of plus six fifty. I if you liked the titans. I actually like him as a sleeper to win this division because again, they are pretty close. You know, all these teams or the separation is not that far because all these rosters are pretty good it to me. It comes down to mariota and just the execution of the office. And then the Jaguars got a new offensive coordinator John D Filipa. They got a new quarterback. Let's let's call it what it is. They had to shake Bortles. Bortles was absolutely killing them had some moments. But for the most last year killed him, he was when I say had some moments the year that they made it to the playoffs, I guess, the playoffs. I mean they made the champion game. They beat the Steelers. They want to play off games. Just two years ago. It was great. It was crazy like Bortles two playoff victories. Now granted one was the bills. I think the final score that games like ten to three but the second one it wasn't all him. But he he played pretty well in that game. They beat the Steelers all the road. That's Blake Bortles. It'd be never played another game in the NFL in his life. You can go, you know what I beat the Steelers in the road in the on the road in the second round. That's pretty impressive accomplishment. So the Jags to me they lost Jackson who's a very good defensive lineman. They still have a stack of roster even though Jalen Ramsey is acting a little weird. Obviously. Add Nick foles offensively you can have Markey's sleek coming back Leonard for net was basically a disaster last year confidence in his ass. The raising the standard on them. I never liked drafting Leonard fournette and the top five but he is a good player. He definitely should be much better than he showed last year. I mean, honestly it wouldn't shock me if you've got a couple eleven wind teams with the Texans the titans, you know, around eight or nine wins and the Jags around seven or eight just looking at it. Maybe as I go through all these I'll find a better division. But I don't think there's a division with less of a drop off from the best team based on last year. The colts to the worst team, the Jags like, like, we just talked about the NFC east last week, the difference between the eagles and the Cowboys and the giants for like the Grand Canyon when I'm just talking the roster like the Jaguars roster. If I've, I said, Bill Belgium, if I said, tomorrow, Bill bell, check is coaching the Jack you'd be like oh, you, they can make a blouse. If I told you build L check, was the coach of the Jags, you would bet a thousand dollars. Plus, you know, basically four to one on them to win the division. I'd like them to win the division, you know. So their talent is there. But again, I think the sleeper of this division to me if you like a sleeper is the titans to win the division at plus six fifty but at the end of the day, taking the emotion out and not gonna sleepers is a coal to win it. They win eleven twelve games Texans come in at a solid ten both over titans. Right. At that eight to me, that's kind of that sweet spot. I'd probably go push me. I would not bet it in the Jags at eight I take the under, but that'd be an under that I wouldn't wanna touch my recommendation would be, I would not bet it. It's kinda crazy. I'm just a couple years ago. This was viewed as the worst division football. And now I think when you look at it, if it's not the best it's easily right up there. What's up both is Chris Bruce art. And I am here with my partner rob Parker. And together, we are the odd couple. That's right. Join Chris and me every day is be give you the hottest feistiest sports takes that you won't hear anywhere else. And for the record. Rob Parker is the odd one, I'm the more reasonable, what so listen to the couple with Chris Bruce Hart and RAF hawker on apple podcasts bore, when the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay last, but not least middlekauff mailbag and through questions. Slant have been those DM's. They're always wide open at John middlekauff is my Instagram handle, so he was my Twitter handle. Easily accessible up on these internet streets. Hey John love the pod me to you've mentioned, often that when it comes to NFL contracts, guaranteed money is what matters most at least in my view true. However, doesn't the per your average have a hit on the salary cap, regardless of guarantees or teams able to adjust that once guarantees are paid. Thanks in advance, why I've talked I've spent a lot of time talking to a couple salary cap guys over the years. I am not a salary cap expert, but in this kind of off the cuss. So I'd, I'd probably have to write it all down. Exactly how it works. But when you give someone assigning Mona so I'll just use basic. Math say we do a two year deal ten million dollars per. So total of twenty million dollars average per year of, of ten million dollars a year in, I give you eight million dollars guaranteed. Well that eight million dollars, guaranteed is money that you're getting paid no matter what I can amortize. Is that money little cow, poly, accounting, phrase people like listening, like no way, way to go out on a limb there with Amherst nation, so you can use that eight million dollars, you can cut it by half. So the four to four million to both of us, so that number gets spread out over the life of the contract, which in this case would be two million dollars. And then there are two separate numbers that matter for the salary cap. That's the actual cash, you're getting paid that year and what it hits on the salary cap. And again, I think that's a combination of the guaranteed money of your average per year, I'd have to get someone that knows. They're talking about. I don't feel confident exactly how that number gets set like the actual cap number the cash flow being paid. And then there is the dead cap and the dead caps important because, like if I pay you this, if my signing bonus is paid and all the guaranteed money is gone, I can then cut you at any moment for little to no impact on my salary cap. That's why when you see a new contr. Tracked and let's say I give a guy twenty million dollars guaranteed. Well, it's going to be difficult to cut that guy in the first couple of years and not get a major hit of just emptiness on my salary cap, but by your three that's done. It's why it's also with a guaranteed money like the signing bonus. Matt Ryan got a signing bonus. And I had to do that runs. An NFL like finances. Tell me the craziest part of Matt Ryan's contract. Is that the point of signing Arthur blank had to have a hundred million dollars on hand, and, oh, that hundred million dollar signing bonus immediately gets put Nastro in? I think it has to get paid like the actual signing bonus within a year. And that's what was so nuts about Matt Ryan's contract. That's why when you see like Jimmy garoppolo's contract, Derek cars contract, like they got forty million dollar signing bonus. So it's not as crazy. And then there's like the injury guarantee, which I look at as the normal guarantee, especially for quarterbacks. But again, like I. Need to get someone on this podcast who knows a little bit more of that because is really complicated. It's not like NBA level, complication, but, you know, just in terms of the salary cap, but the contracts by far so much more complicated than the NBA or major league baseball because they're not all guaranteed. There are different bonuses. There are ways you can restructure contracts that need to get like how Roseman I tried to get him but he went to -cation hopefully we'll get them in the fall in talk a little bit that because that's pretty interesting. When you see the colts making a deep playoff run, making winning the Super Bowl. I mean, I think in the next couple of years. I, I would like I just talked about him earlier. I think they have a Super Bowl caliber team now. Ideally, you'd want probably one more dynamic playmaker on offense. You I mean you would love like a Cleal MAC, but hell, you would just take like a trying to think of a solid pass rusher. You know, just give me like eight or nine sacks. They just need a little bit more of a consistent pass rush. But yeah, I think they will be in the mix this year. If the forty Niners finished below five hundred let's say five and eleven is it safe to say that Lynch and Shanahan both get fired, no baseline six year deals, both of them and coaches and GM deals are fully guaranteed. So call Shanahan signed for over seven million dollars, again, not a math major, but seven times six years, it's forty two million dollars. The Niners are paying him. No matter what John Lewis. Lynch because he had another job in had leverage. Got about four million dollars, so combined. They make over sixty million dollars. So I think at minimum these guys were getting four years, and I'd be shocked. They don't make five now if they go five and eleven in I live in the bay for those that are new to the podcast, e people be pissed off and the heat would be on in rightfully so I have said, over and over for Kyle if Jimmy's healthy this year, you can't be as good of a coach as we all consider Kyle to be myself included, and not make the playoffs, once your first three years like it's time to piss her. Get off the pot. It's time to get something done, or I'm going to start viewing you as a really good offense of mine, but struggles ahead, coach again, the wildcard here is Jimmy's health. If Jimmy's healthy they should make the playoffs to me. It's that simple. Or, you know, when I say, make the playoffs if you win nine or ten games, miss, the playoffs, I probably could live with that. But you. Can't be you. Can't at minimum you gotta win nine games. You gotta win. You have to win Sean McVay two years to play offs. You know, time start winning. I'm a big Colt. Andrew luck fan and my friend is on the Baker Mayfield bandwagon. We have debates all the time about which quarterback is better, come on. It's not a conversation right now and which has the higher ceiling. So I want to hear your thoughts about who you'd rather have better for the franchise for the next five to ten years, while ten years, 'cause Lux, thirty you'd rather take Baker, because bakers twenty four twenty five years old. So he'd only be in his mid thirties. But the higher ceiling I will be shellshocked if Baker is ever as good as Andrew luck Andrew lock took one of the shittiest teams we've ever seen in took them to the playoffs as a rookie, then then the second year and third year. He won a playoff game in a second year in his third year he went to playoff games along that road. He'd be Peyton Manning. And then look what he did last year. They started on five combeback off missing season. Boom starts getting a rhythm takes team to the playoffs win a playoff game. The chance of baker's ever. That good to me are slim to none for Baker to be better than Andrew lock. He basically just has to be hall of Famer, you just would assume he. The next drew Brees. So I, I would say that Andrew lock has just a superior player. I've seen him win. I've seen him win big games. I've seen him go on the road win big games. I've seen his win divisions. I've seen them nothing. I haven't seen him do except when a Super Bowl like let's bakers been starting for, I think the Baker hype again, I'm a Baker fan, but I think it's borderline out of control. I mean we talk about him like he's Brett farve already but to see them win a game that matters. He hasn't really. He has literally not wanna game that has mattered yet in the pros as it one, one of them any place for the Browns, like it's hard to shake dysfunction. Who have a bigger following the Niners for the raiders? I'm the forty Niners people. Get so mad about me around here the forty Niners fan base is dramatically larger than the raiders in part of building a big fan base is winning the Niners for twenty plus years. So multiple generations, one in one of the biggest markets in the country in, like the eighties football is still kind of a national game you could suck people from around the country like the raiders think there are a lot bigger, the fans think there are a lot bigger than they actually are. There was an article last year, I think in the Mercury News, like a local newspaper round here did like in part of it was Al Davis was good of like you'll basically convincing his fans things were happening that actually weren't happening like they were this big global brand. They were this big global band. That's great in theory. But we've seen ratings like when they're on national television games the ratings dip like the they went to Mexico and all of ever heard from the raiders like we own Mexico. The fans were Channing Tom Brady, you know. So let's just I think the raider fans think there are a little bigger than they are now. And I don't blame the fans. I blame the organization when you suck forever. You do not grow right? Businesses grow by having success. Like, how did the patriots become the patriots are way bigger brand why they've been winning for twenty years, how the Niners become such a big deal they want from one thousand nine hundred eighty one to two thousand they went for twenty straight years in the NFL. That's all the NFL hasn't been around that long. What's Super Bowl, we on like fifty five so they won for forty percent of it? Think about that. They won for forty percent like the patriots. The, the NFL is, what again, I might be off on my Super Bowl fifty two whatever patriots been winning now for twenty years. So that's forty percent of the history of the sport. They've been winning like the raiders had a stretch where they want for like twelve years, but that was also like the time to win was like, post ninety because the population growth the internet. If you haven't won in the internet age, at all, that's huge part of a to like the Niners have a one that much in the internet age. But there are three years of winning in the internet age. It was one of the most impactful winning stretches, we've ever seen in the Jim Harbaugh era, because they went viral every five minutes, they were a big deal. So it's it's the Niners again, I'm not throwing shade at the raiders. That's just a fact every metric, I mean I see my other podcast those. No, when I talk about one, and I don't talk about the other like it's clear which draws more people in, in every metric TV radio. Podcasting, you name it. Kay. Born in Long Island. And I've been a giants fan since I was in diapers. As most giants fans. I've been severely disappointed. The overall direction of the team is going. I passing on darnold trading. Odell letting Landon Collins go, and then Daniel Jones, it pays me to say, but I hope to win Haskins puts a hurt on them twice a year for a couple years to show how incompetent debut truly is I guess my question is this. I'm kinda ad-lib but he's not saying all this. I just like throw in my own words in there. How likely do you think it is that Haskins becomes a star? Endanger Jones continues to be Daniel Jones. And at twenty seven years old is okay to jump ship and become a jets fan. Thanks, homie. You know, I watched a decent amount of Dwayne Haskins. And I thought he was really good. But I never deep deep dive studied him a couple of my buddies that I rely on for all my hard core. Like if he tells me something, I'm gonna have a take on it, and that's he's going to kind of map out my stance. They didn't like Dwayne Haskins that much. Now they didn't really like Daniel Jones that much either. But actually had I had a buddy does the SEC Bill that Dana Jones will solid player that he was a late first round pick. Not the six overall pick but like them so yeah. I would I think there's a better chance the Daniel Jones. Just not that great. And the Dwayne Haskins is also not that great like that, to me is how it's probably going to play out. I say this all the time now and I'm, I'm not the most loyal sports fan. Like I grew up part of it was because when I got to the NFL, I stopped giving a shit like I grew up a huge Niner fan, but then once I started working for the eagles, like I'm trying to beat the nine. And the one year they beat us like my second year it was a it was a big loss for us. So I didn't want them to win and you kind of loose and then you start like get my friends or getting jobs. You know, like Matt Nagy gets a job. I like the bears. Now I want the Niners win, because it's good for me financially, but I don't have any. Sports resonate with me quite like it once did, as a fan, just because I'm making money off it, though, I do root for people. And when I know yet where I like you, I go all in, and I say this all the time, and I get it like I, I'm still probably the only team I'm a true fan of the San Francisco Giants, I think right now, they have some joke, qualities like their president is currently suspended because he tossed his wife on a ground. He's also been leading the charge land all these free agents like he's George Steinbrenner, even though he actually doesn't own the team, and he can't land a free agent to save his life. I've had enough of them, and I've become somewhat of a horror as sports fan. Meaning like I grew up hating the dodgers. But I'll be honest with you. I like the dodgers team. They're very enjoyable to watch. If you're going to hate, like, if you're going to be a die hard fan of a team inner team is gonna suck for a long period of time. It basically being like in a shitty relationship in refusing to get a divorce or break up like it's kinda stupid when you think about it. And if she ever changes you can always go back to her. You're always welcome back. It's a great thing about fans or about teams they'll always allow you back the always take your time back. Always take your money back. So, yeah, if you want if you like Sam darnold root for Sam darnold, but you don't have to be like a diehard jets fan, but you can just like you know what I'm Sam darnold guy, whoever you like. And that's, that's what I've become a sports fan. It's become a lot more enjoyable than just when you're team sucks. It's miserable. The root for them, especially when they're going nowhere fast. Like the giants are. So I think a lot of diehard fans will say like you're a sellout. Yeah. The here's the thing, it'd be one thing like listen. Dana Jones does. Well, but once you realize it sucks, like he sucks Oto Beckham is one of the most talented players. The giants have ever had and they traded him. You're supposed to support that when I never understand about the people that say you can't turn your team. It's us have unconditional support, like they're your kid, even though you have zero control over anything. They're doing. And a lot of the decisions, especially when a franchise, you know, kinda fallen apart is they do the dumbest stuff over and over that drives you nuts. It's just not a healthy relationship to be in, like, it's, it's been an easy relationship with people around the bay area to root for the warriors. It's not an easy relationship, if you root for like, the Orlando Magic when need be fun. I would never blame anyone if they're like you know what I was New Orleans magic fan growing up, but I I've been rooting for the Celtics for the last ten years like I totally understand. So, yeah, I, I give you the green lights people disagree with me. But I, I got no issue. If you go become a jets fan, or at least you and you can justify it, then, like I was a big Sam darnold guy. I wanted the giants draft. I'm ruined for him to me. That's what you say you don't even say like I'm a jets fan because at, at your core, you're not a jets fan. Your true love is the giants. But if you add watch Sam darnold, and you like Sam darnold, then you fall. Sam darnold on Instagram like God, this high level guy I wanted this guy would have been how do we not draft this guy now, part of this, like, well, we did take sake. Barkley that is the saving grace here. Like if you are going gonna pass on, like Brett four, but you do draft. Barry sanders. It's not the worst thing. Would you rather? Have Brett Farr than Barry Sanders? The I know that actually didn't happen. I'm just using this as a as a best case scenario and clearly sake ones already really good. But we all know like you can't just win with the great running back. You need a quarterback. So I feel you. What was the prize you more if the raiders had a top ten defense next year or if they win ten or eleven games and win the division. I think both are impossible. I guess I would say, I don't see any chance on God's green earth. They have a top ten defense. They have no pass. Rush. DB's are okay. And they don't really have any linebackers like could they win ten games like I. Yeah. Could you dare cars in every P candidate again Gruden just gets an a sweet spot? Antonio Brown has a huge year. Tyrel Williams has a huge year Jacobs, the rookie of the year. They're they're built a little like they were object. The second year Jack del Rio. They made the playoffs a lead offense, crappy defense 'cause I or that year they actually caused a lot of turnovers because a MAC, but I to me the zoo, absolutely zero chance they were topped in defense. I think it's just like physically impossible. I don't know the players. What were some of your favorite things you did while scouting for the eagles, and some of your least favorite huge eagles fan, I would say my least favorite things. Star with the least favorite, I would say just doing pro scouting over and over. It gets kind of boring just just evaluating players like the great part about college. Like I love college scouting, 'cause you're basically valuating people, you get into watch the player in project, the player and then learn about the person while interacting with a lot of people as a pro scout, you kind of just sitting office. Ages. Watch Tapeh players that you never get to meet talk to majority of them. You never even get to sign, you know, and unlike coaches, the do a lot of that too bad actually for couple of hours a day, every day. Get to go out in the field as I got you just keep watching tape gets kind of monotonous, and as you can tell just got too much personality be cooped up in a cage, like a cat, I need to need to be unchain be on the move. So the pro scouting stuff was awesome. I didn't love this but it was a pretty unreal. Experienced surreal experience like being the Turk cutting guys again. Like I didn't take any joy and cutting guys. But it was just, you know, an experience, you can't get anywhere else things I don't miss, like just the, the hours, you have to put in, in terms of sometimes, I feel like I'm not actually accomplishing anything but I'm sitting in the office, but I also do appreciate like the grind of a football season and having had a front row seat. And it was I mean college was just like this to same similar hours. But like when you play a game on Saturday or Sunday, just how much time has gone in from the scouting reports to the practices to the in the NFL. You're, you know evaluate in the officials the keeping track of the weather keeping track of the injuries. It's just it's pretty awesome to be on the inside of just the weekly games, especially when you're a good team like my first year we were a playoff team. So. Every game mattered so much. And that was pretty foul full. The other good thing is a lot of free food. You know, and at the time I was poor. I mean hell I'd take for food right now. I don't care how rich you are. You never turn down free food. You just get a lot of free food. A lot of food yet. My gym. I just found out raise the price. I pay it against the bay area but pay one hundred seventy dollars a month for my gym. Now, also is a hotel and basketball courts and pools, and all sorts of shit, but still a hundred seventy dollars like. It's absurd. Well, in the NFL I never paid for Jim, Jim there and everything you need. Saunas steam rooms locker rooms yet at all. So miss those little parks. Something else. I hated. One thing I hated as a scout in. I think you definitely feel this as a GM to is just how powerless you are like in my job. Now I control everything that said on this podcast. So if I were to get in trouble if I were to go viral, if I were to have something positive happen, it's all on me and not as much on this one, I don't necessarily sell the ads on this one, but my other ones, I control my financial destiny. I have much more control my life, as a GM definitely has a road scout or a pro scout. You have no control over everything you just a peon, who just is part of the craziness, but you don't actually get to control anything now as probably natural with any job when you're under thirty, but it always, you know, if I was thirty four still work in the NFL as a road scout, you don't really have that much power wherever since I've been in the media, like it, and the other thing is you. Find out about this guy John middlekauff. What's happened to scout for whatever? For team. You have no clue if I'm good or bad nut does know what he's looking at does not. And there are a lot of people in the league that suck just like there are a lot of people that are good. But you on the outside, unless you actually work with them. And I was lucky I got to work with, you know, like how he rose I was around how he for my I like week, you realize, like the this guy is pretty unique. I was around Brett VH really quick gun. This guy's unique character, Louis Riddick God, this guy's unique character. And then I got buddies that you wouldn't even know their names that are working for various teams that I, I would go to the mat for there is good of a scout is anyone in the league. But you don't know who they are. You know. So there's, there's that element which I kinda miss. I mean when you work in a maybe I was lucky in Philly, we just had a lot of like high level guys. So I got to experience, I mean I could easily work for another organization with a lot of slap. He's, but I would imagine there, a lot of organizations that get fired and people get blown out that actually were good in again. Maybe it's like this in every profession. I've been fired. Multiple times and radio and in, in the NFL and I thought I was really good both ups. I thought there wasn't anyone as good of a scout or as I was equally as good as anyone else and has radio, there was definitely I was as unique as anyone on the radio and forever might show crushed. But both times management changed, and I got blown out, you know, so it's like people like middle guy got fired what he's showing up late to work, my kind of not the business. I'm working in, you know, just it's a volatile industry. So that used to be something that just because you've got fired. You're loser. I think most industries kind of like that. And then if you get into certain businesses like Bill belch checks men fired. I'm not saying those Bill bell, Jack the NFL, but I think all over the NFL see guys get fired every year that a pri- pretty good like I don't know, Brian gain, the Houston Texans GM was he good was not. I don't know. You know, maybe really what's, maybe you just got a raw deal. Maybe he just actually was shitty. That's, that's the hard part about the NFL coaches. We pretty we got a good idea, right? Like Hugh Jackson, Jim, Tom sewer. You're like, what are you doing? You know, but when scouts and front office people get fired. You're like I guess if he's the GM and he's picked the players like Mike maccagnan, it was pretty clear. He didn't know what he was doing like Brian gain. I got no clue Brian gains. Good or bad. Hell, I, I would imagine most Houston, Texas fans back. I don't really know goes clear like Ryan Grigson this over sill overhead, and then Chris Ballard gets in there like Chris Ballard gas pretty impressive. And even I, I was like just because the hype so strong, I was like, who is can we pump the brakes? Now. It's like hell to my hat, Chris Ballard's legit. So we'll overview. Appreciate everyone listening. Enjoy the fourth of July weekend. I guess we'll talk to you before the fourth of July till June twenty-seventh, but I love the fourth of July gotta love America and enjoy enjoy the weekend talk to you soon. Poos sip. Hey, it's your host of the out kick coverage podcast. Join me every day as I give you the nation strong opinions on the big stories in sports. If you're looking for a sports podcast at smart, original funny and authentic alka coverage, clay Travis the perfect podcast for you even recently launched a brand new podcast called wins and losses with clay Travis, which features long-form conversations with the biggest names in sports business entertainment. Listen, apple podcast or the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Let's Ride: The 2021 Steelers will be defined by the defense

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Let's Ride: The 2021 Steelers will be defined by the defense

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Pandora does not matter. I know i miss them. But still subscriber follows. You don't just get my. Let's ride podcast every monday wednesday friday but that you also get things like dave scofield staticky on thursday. The live mike. With michael beck coming down tuesday mornings and then all of our pm shows so. That's monday to hangover tuesday. The scarborough show wednesday. The curtain call thursday. The preview friday with tony's on friday saturday the touchdown under in sunday tales from two. Am that's going to change as dealers reported to training camp here in a couple of weeks we're going to be introducing. Some new shows like the fantasy fix with jeremy beds. We're going to be having a film room type show with jeffrey benedict and plenty others. That will be debuted. I have to be honest. The last two fridays. I have been doing a show. That has a special guest in the second half. And i do not have that today. Don't have it at all i. We are in the midst of moving. We are finally in our new location. I finally have internet. Thank you very much in on top of all of that. I totally forgot to get a guest on so it's just me for thirty minutes. I hope you're okay with that. I'm sure that my writer died crew understands why but still here we go. We have a lot to talk about. What the pittsburgh steelers next week. We're assuming this is something days you'll talk about on the staticky give. You haven't listened to that on thursday as a great episode. Check it out. All about the pass rushing the pittsburgh steelers defense but we don't know exactly when the steelers are going to be reporting to training camp If you do the math based on the fact that the collective bargaining agreement between the nfl in nfl pa. You have a certain amount of time from the first time you play a preseason game. You can backtrack so the steelers could be reporting the twenty-first but we don't know it's not like when they were you know we're talkin pre cova era where the steelers the beliefs when they report the practice schedule when fans were allowed. When they're not the only thing the steelers have reported right now is when they are going to have open practices at heinz field for fans to attend. I've had several of my followers on twitter. You can follow me on twitter at j hartman h. e. r. t. n. underscore pat say. Hey jeff i'm going to practice on days. whatever whatever. two days or practices are going to the same thing. If you have good seats takes video senate my way would be glad to take that. Turn into an article on behind the steel curtain dot com. If you're going hit me up let me know. We're glad to have some of your work. Help us out so with there. Being said the title in the focus of today's podcast is how the twenty twenty one steelers will be defined by the defense it. This may sound ludicrous and a lot of people might be listening to this saying well. That's kind of obvious jeff. Don't you think the defense is always the bread and butter the steelers but the twenty twenty one steelers when you think about the narratives that have been talked about this past offseason. It's all been about the offense. It's all been about ben rothlisberger conditioning. Which by the way can we stop by. Now i mean my goodness. This guy's going into his eighteenth year in the nfl. He's thirty nine years old. Were still talking about his conditioning level. The guys won two super bowls. He's been to. I am fully aware of how things ended last season with the afc wildcard playoff loss to the cleveland browns at heinz field. You don't need to bring that up but we're still after all this time. Talking about ben roethlisberger's conditioning and nutrition holy cow. Give me a break. i get that. He's not always been in the best shape. I get that. Sometimes he's relied on his god given ability to go out and make plays but still everyone's talking about is conditioning and then his overall ability to play the position at a high level You know you can talk about top ten lists you can talk about. Just the fan base. In general suggesting that benz done that. He doesn't have it anymore. And that's that's everyone's prerogative but at the same time that's been a huge talking point with the pittsburgh steelers this off season. Also everyone's talking about the wide receivers. Are they going to be able to catch the football this year. That's kind of an important skill set to have when you're a wide receiver or tight end in the nfl. And that's still something. Whether you're talking about eric hebron whether you're talking about. I've seen a lot of people talking about juju. Smith schuster fumbling. That's been an ongoing narrative. Still there's been a lot of people talking about deontay johnson and how much potentially as whether to talk about fantasy football where they're talking about actual live game play but still catching. The football has been a talking point. Holy cow has there been enough talking about the offensive line. Totally new look for this offensive line. You think about it gone one hundred villa nueva and left tackle. You're having szucs a core for think about left. Guard is kevin dotson. That should be the only player. I guess you've says an incumbent. Even though he didn't start their last season that was mad filer. Who left via free agency to l. a. The center position. We're not sure. Is it going to be third round. Pick hendrick green from illinois is going to be. Bj finney people still considering. Jc has to be a viable option at the center spot. I don't know right guard was going to be dave decastro. He gets released. he's hurt. He needs surgery on his ankle. Insert trade turner veteran still has a lot to prove not so much on the fact that he had five pro bowls in his timing carolina but the fact that last season for la he was awful. He was awful and then right. Tackle zach banner. He won that job last season. he's going to be there and he signed a new contract. This offseason totally different in. Everyone's talking about that. They're talking about the offensive line. How are they going to match. What's the offense going to look like. They're talking about the new office coordinator and coaching staff in canada. It's his first time calling plays in the nfl. They're talking about. Adrian klemm his first time at the guy played in the league by the way of. Casey didn't know that he had very successful offensive lineman but he was an assistant under shawn. Cigarette for the pittsburgh steelers now. It's his first time being able to say that he is the man in charge along the offensive line. All of these talking points have just been about the offense. I literally sat here as i was writing my show. Nuts thinking where of the talking points been on the defensive side of the ball in there might have been a few minor ones. You're talking about replacing players. Like bud depre- mike hilton steven nelson. All those are. There's a viable narratives. But they have not been as loud as all the talking points around the offense suze. What she wanted about the offense and people will talk about how nause harris in the running game are so important in paramount success. It is however it still all about the defense. i'll reiterate the headline of this podcast. And that is the twenty twenty one steelers will be defined by the defense. Not the offense. Not ben not nause not eric. Bron divide receiving core. It'll be the defense in this is to piggyback article. The dave scofield road. I think it was either tuesday or monday about how in the steelers are successful. Especially in the cower tomlin erez. It's always been the defense that carries the towards the defense. It carries the flag. Let's hope that is the case this season. But let's take a look at some numbers and no i'm not a numbers guy not a geeky guy. That's dave scofield. That's his show on thursday night. This is just looking at general numbers in before we get started with this. We're going to look at some twenty twenty numbers. There are some fans out there that say all jeff. You can't look at these numbers because of a different schedule this season. And there's a seventeen game and who knows about this the other listen. Here's the fact. What else are we supposed to look at. Two thousand nineteen two thousand eighteen. What are we supposed to. What am i supposed to look at here okay. So we're going to look at the last season the most up-to-date numbers that we have so far. Okay so for the sake of this argument. Let's just assume that the pittsburgh steelers offense in twenty twenty one duplicates itself in twenty twenty. I'm yet i'm slowly. I confuse myself. Let's say that in twenty twenty one this dealers basically have mere numbers to last season. Let's look at what those numbers were by the way. I'm not predicting this will happen. I'm just using this. As an example so if the steelers in terms of yardage they finished with five thousand three hundred fifty four yards which equated to three hundred and thirty four point six yards per game in terms of passing four thousand in three yards which averages out to two hundred and fifty point two yards per game rushing one thousand two hundred fifty one eighty four point four yards a game in points. They had four hundred sixteen total which averaged twenty six point zero points per game. So you look at those numbers and again. I'm not predicting that that's going to do. I do think they'll run the ball better. I think the passing should be about the same total yardage. Might be a little bit better. And i didn't even look at rankings because it doesn't matter i don't care what the kansas city chiefs frank last season. I'm only looking at the pittsburgh steelers. So when i'm looking at these numbers and looking at these numbers and i'm trying to figure out okay. What in the world's happening here. Let's say they stay the same looking at me. A struggling to run the ball effectively. Still having decent passing game scoring points twenty. Six points per game is pretty good. That's pretty good so let's get last season's defensive statistics and say where will this defense need to improve for them to really set the tone. That's what this is all about. This is about the defense having to set the tone for this twenty twenty one steelers team in being the unit. Says we have it. We've got it under control if the offense sputters it's okay. Think back to those legendary defenses of the early two thousands. You're talking about you. Know when james harrison troy apollo malu aaron smith james farrior could go down the entire roster defensive roster tell you all those players you know those players. How many times would this were there with the steelers. Winning games of final score of sixteen to ten. Yeah that's the type of performance. The steelers might need twenty twenty one. How many times did we see the steelers when a game fourteen to three or the defense almost pitched a shutout. They held on the opposition to three points. Yes i know when you look at the schedule. The steelers are paired up with. Afc west very good very good division the nfc north another pretty decent division. That's kind of uncertain at some certain anything about justin fields in chicago. And things like that. And matt stafford stafford gone in detroit. He's out in. La jared goff is inserted. No one knows what does are going to look like those teams still. It's the nfl seattle's going to be coming to pittsburgh it's a it's a good offense. The steelers defense is not going to have easy. Oh did i also forget to mention that they the bengals a job. Borough should have a better offense. Their offensive line is questionable. But they're going to better in terms of skill position. The baltimore ravens. We know that they're going to have a good offense with lamar jackson. They're gonna be able to run the football and things like that. And obviously the cleveland browns. Our in nick chub and kareem hunt and baker mayfield. It's not going to be easy but let's look at these numbers. At the pittsburgh steelers defense put up in twenty. Twenty in terms of yards surrendered. They surrendered four thousand eight hundred ninety three which averages out to three hundred five point eight yards per game in passing three thousand one hundred ten averages one hundred ninety four point four yards per game in rushing they surrendered one thousand seven hundred eighty three yards which adds to one hundred and eleven point four yards per game and then points. You have three hundred. Twelve which averages out to nineteen point five yards per game okay. So the numbers of the numbers from the twenty twenty steelers defense. We can't go back and change them. We've talked about them. Ad nauseam this entire offseason. But when i'm looking at these numbers. I have to ask myself. Where can they improve. Where can this defense ends. It's all about the defense. Where can they improve. I think there's plenty of spots for them to improve. In terms of passing defense the fact that they surrendered less than two hundred yards per game through. The air is great. I would not expect anything more if they can do that again. That's tremendous rushing defense. This is where i feel like. The steelers could tighten up a little bit. You're averaging one hundred and eleven point four yards per game. The one thing. When i loved watching the steelers defense and i still do but when i loved it the most when dick lebeau was the coordinator and he would always say we want to make offenses one dimensional. We want to dictate what they do in. That hasn't always been the case under keith butler. Sometimes they've given up a lot of rushing yards. And i understand that a lot of those rushing yards have been by big runs. You think back to the game sanders from the eagles last season where i think he had a seventy six yard jaunt. So it's a situation where they stop the run. Mc entire game and they gave up of huge backbreaking run. It really does change. Not only the game but it changes their averages as well so they could get under a hundred yards rushing dow would be tremendous. And then you look at points. Nineteen point five points per game. Nineteen point five points per game. It's under twenty in. That's great get it to around sixteen. Take a field goal off in now. You're in some elite as as a lead rarified air. We'll put it that way this dealers defense in. It's a lot to ask. Especially when they've lost but depre- mike helton steven nelson when you've lost those players. It is a tough ask to say you need to and get better. You need to get better i. It's it's gonna require a lot of players to step up. It's going to require a lot of players to elevate their game and to somehow some way find a way to make this defense truly truly great based on the fact that we don't know if the pittsburgh steelers will be an offensive team that can win you games. I hope i'm wrong. I hope they can but as of right now as we sit here. We don't know that for a fact what we do know for. A fact is this defense is going to be really really good. But can they be great. Can they be great. That's the question the steelers when they succeed they have a great defense. The steelers when they get to super bowls they had a great defense. The steelers when they win super bowls. They have a great defense. Will this defense be great. It's going to require players to step up their game. And i have five players that i think really need to step up their game. And we're gonna talk about that. We're going to talk about dwayne haskins situation coming up in the second half in a heart to heart stay tuned. We'll be right back after this break support for this episode comes from forward. Most people go to the doctor for the one offs like rashes and colds. And your annual flu shot but doctors can do more. That's why you need forward. 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Check it out the jerry cherry ban definitely worth a big shout out and thank you to him for sure so i finished the first segment of talking about how certain players needed to step up their game to make the steelers defense go from good degrade i i asked myself before we get into the individual. Individual players was the steelers defense last season. Great were a great thing about what i said before. In the first statement. I talked about how the steelers were a team that you know when you're good that's fine that's awesome but are you great when the steelers win super bowls. They're great were they great last season. It's tough for me to say yes to that. It really is difficult for me to say yes. They were great they never really seemed to. Nothing comes to mind. When i think of while they went out and won that game they won that game. They've had games where they played awesome and they had games were they really plays but you think of alec okay baltimore when they went to baltimore. Beat the ravens in minkah fitzpatrick had that pass breakups in the end zone on willie snead. They also surrendered that drive to even put them in that situation. You think about the indianapolis colts win at heinz field. It was the offense to kind of had to turn things around and get the the defense can south run. Those things are what needs to change. Consistency makes people great until they are the players. The five players. I said that really need to step up. Their game for specific reasons and i will go into detail. Number one is tj. What and you might be listening to this anywhere in your house in your car on the treadmill treadmill walking running working. I don't care where you listen. I'm just glad that you're listening. And you might be thinking. Tj watch f. Really you think tj what needs to step up his game. What else can this guy do. That's the question. What else can this guy do. I feel like he still can do some things better. In terms of consistency he could be more consistent in with all the pressure being on him in twenty twenty one in butter pres not there so all the pressure being on. T. j. watt in twenty twenty. One kenny step up kenny. Step up and be that guy kenny. Step up and say i'm going to be dominant. No matter what. We have yet to find that out. I think again i hope he can. Tj what needs to step up his game. I would love to see him. Be that my gosh. In two thousand eighteen is on all those forced fumbles. he was a sa- fumble and he was creating. Fumbles like crazy. Gimme some of that. i would. I would take less sacks. Be completely honest with you. I would take less action. Tj watt if he forced fumbles based on the fact. That saks are great in the steelers are really good at that. But when you get the ball on the ground. That's a splash. Play of splash plays. That's what i'd love to see. Tj walking he step up. I think he can with tope. Alex highsmith is an obvious one to put on this list. Based on the fact that alex is going to be filling bud. Depre- shoes dave scofield set best in his show on thursday. He said alex is with is not bud debris we cannot expect him to be a depre- i don't think anyone is. You can compare the two. That's fine you can do that. But they're not the same player they're different. I just got done right before. I recorded this. Podcast watching merril hodge on the steelers official youtube channel. He he broke down. Alex highsmith game and talked about how he is a very well rounded individual. He's a very well rounded player. he's really really good at some of the fundamental aspects of playing outside linebacker in the nfl. In so i think. Alex smith could take a really big sophomore. Jump a really big sophomore. Jump You people talking about the sophomore slump. I like say the sophomore. Jump this dealers. Expect big things from players from your one year two and that's exactly where highsmith falls in his career. Let's see where he finds himself in twenty twenty one in terms of being an impact player opposite tj. What other players on the defense and need to step up steph onto it steph onto. It's coming off a double digit sack season. And when you have double digit sacks that becomes the expectation that becomes the expectation in steph onto. It has been a player. That's been very rather streaky. In his career. He's been hurt a lot. That's that's not always his fault. He stayed healthy last season and he was dominant. He was dominant now. After you know he keyed have coveted and he miss him games last year and when he came back and kind of took them some time he should he should be healed up in. So we'll see how this plays out. But i think steph onto it needs to say that last season was not an aberration. Last season is the new norm. Last season is what you're going to see from here on out. That's what i want to see from steph onto it. And if he can do that. And that's a that's a big if but if he can do that my goodness this defense will be really bordering. Great for sure and the thing is some people might suggest whether think will is cam. Hey we're going to be on this list. He's not he's not on this list cam hayward if he's anything he's consistent he might not always register nine ten sacks but he is a force to be reckoned with on the defensive front not always the case with steph onto it so with to it he can be a little streaky cam. Hayward is the model of consistency. So that's why to. It's on the list. And not hayward next is going to be devon bush devin bush. I'm not talking about his. Gosh he's weird on social media. That's the best way i can put it. He's just strange dude but still the way he plays the game. He needs to step up. I think when you think about devon bush. You're expecting that athletic sideline sideline and i like the confidence. I like that. He had an interview with the media before during mandatory minicamp. And ask them to. Do you think you can cover jarvis landry who is considered or arguably is one of the best slot receivers in the nfl. Could you guard him. One on one and devon bush's response one hundred percent. That was his response. He said i know. I can do at one hundred percent. I love that confidence. I love how he says. I know i can do it. And i'm going to do it. That's awesome that is awesome but devin bush coming off that acl tear. You wanna see a player that can stay healthy. You wanna see a player that is flying around the field. He's not ryan cheesier and a lot of people want to try to put him in the same. You know square peg in the square peg. He just doesn't work that way with east two players they are they have comparable traits but they're different devin. Bush is a guy that needs to really take a big step in two thousand twenty one and if he can step up he is a player. That makes that defense a lot. Better in and again not to keep on quoting dave scofield but i just listened to his podcast about thirty minutes ago and he. He brought up the fact that he didn't entire show. But how the steelers defense. When they had devon bush on the field is so much better especially in the sock department said that could be a huge step for the steelers defense going from good to great in that seven bush. The last player. I i think there's a lot of pressure on this player. I really do. And that's cam sudden cam sudden. You know he was gonna use a free agent. The steelers had several free agents. The steelers had a lot of free agents. Let's call a spate of spayed here in h shows to go after camp sutton not mike hilton. So cam sutton who signed a two year contract. He's out to say okay. I've always been a reserve player. I've been a special teams. I'm not just. He's been a special teamer but i've always been his sub package player. I've been the dime. I filled in the nickel. Now he's going to be expected to be a starter. Where does he play. how does he do. These are new expectations for camp sutton. It's going to be difficult. It's not going to be easy. But i'm thinking camp sutton is going to have to step up his game in it. That's also assuming that he's going to be playing outside. Opposite joe haden steven nelson might not have had the best twenty twenty season but he was still a very good cornerback. He had a very good two thousand nineteen season. I think cam sutton has the coverage ability to match steven nelson. I think he has better ball skills and steven nelson tackling You don't want your cornerbacks to have to make a ton of tackles but if you have to. I think he can do it. It's just not as no cam sutton is the fifth since to wrap this up your t. J. watt alex highsmith steph onto a devon bush and cam sudden if those five players can step up their game. It makes everyone else around them better in. I think it could make this defense go from good to great and remember the twenty twenty one steelers will be defined not by the offense not by ben rothlisberger but by the defense. Keep that in mind as the steelers are getting ready to hit up training camp next week all right. Let's talk about some other news yet. This is something that i saw. Come across twitter and i i definitely was keeping an eye on. It didn't know how to handle it. Thankfully dave scofield decided to write the article for the website behind the steel curtain dot com. It was all dwayne haskins and the fact that there were charges filed against his wife for domestic battery. Now this is just so. We're clear because i think a lot of fans got confused when they saw the news break. They thought that dwayne haskins hit his wife. That is not what is being. Allegedly that is not what allegedly happened. They're saying that his wife punched him in knocked out one of his teeth. And there's a lot of fans out there saying all this is the end for haskins. He's he's good as gone. And i kind of why. Because he got hit by his wife. Who knows what but he was hit by his wife. I guess punched by his wife loses a tooth. This supposedly happened in march by the way. But all this goes down now since then dwayne haskins is taken to his instagram stories and said he has all his teeth. Don't believe everything you read. He's fine dance strange in of itself. But still you're reading this. You're thinking wow okay. So what in the world. why in the world. I guess i should say winding road. Anyone thinks that this is a reason for him to be released from the team. Now if the other way around and the player is abusing a woman. Well that's different but here. We have a situation where dwayne haskins is. He's in the news for the wrong reasons. No-one denying that. And you're looking thinking. Oh wow this is strange. This is really strange. It is strange. I is there more to the story. I think so probably. Do we know the other part of that story. Not at the time that this is recorded. But i don't think this should have any impact at all on haskins in his role within the organization with his opportunity to make the fifty three man roster and we don't know also the steelers could have known about this for months here. We are july july. We're in the middle. We're right around the middle parts of july in happened in march. they could've. We knew about this. Dwayne told us about this when it happened. Who knows who filed the charges. We assume it's twain haskins now. There's so much stuff. I don't overreact at some people. Just want this kid to fail so bad. They want him to fail. I i don't know if it's to say ha told you. So or what. But they want him to fail and they want him out of the organization. So i'm willing to give the kid a chance. I'm not projecting him to be the next quarterback of the pittsburgh steelers. I'm not saying he's the future. I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying. I'm fine giving the kid a chance. It's a no risk problem or issue with the steelers. And i don't think this would change anything until or if there's more of the story but let's get to the heart to heart this all ties together. I want to say something to fans out there. So here i am sitting here. I'm thirty eight year old man. I'm a husband. I'm a father of five children twelve. And under and i've i've try yes. I am an educated guy. I've with a degree in from college. And i have been an educator for fifteen years now and it's a situation where i hear people in sometimes. It doesn't matter what you do. Or what line of work. You're in or how educated or not educated you are remember. Education is not just a college degree by the way you know. Let's say you're a master electricity and you never went to college that you're educated. You're educated for sure you're educated but still i'm thinking about some of these fans that want to rip these players in this is not just twain haskins. They want to rip them. They want to say these players are bombs. Get rid of them. They don't know what they're doing. Can we put these things into perspective for a second so here you have these twenty year old. Twenty twenty twenty. Three year olds all the way up in their early thirties. That's probably your typical age range here. Better thrust into the spotlight. They have been given millions of dollars. They are brimming with confidence and bravado. And you're asking them the way that some fans think is you're asking them to sit at their home study tape workout in. That's it in a perfect world. I get it. But i want you to think about this in terms of your life so i remember when i was that age. Did i make stupid stupid decisions in. Yeah i made some stupid decisions. I'm sure we all did now. Were they like super a they magnified. Because i was a professional athlete. No but make miss decisions or did i make choices that we're not probably the best for me. Yes i think everyone has but think the fact thing of it this way. Some people criticizing haskins for going vegas in the first place. Because this all took place in las vegas all. He shouldn't have even been there. So let me let me ask you this. It's a you have your someone that works a nine to five and it's friday and you're heading home and you decide to stop at the bar for happy hour some of you co workers and you have a few drinks. Should i be critical of you for going to the bar thing about it. Should i be critical of you for going and putting yourself in that situation because after all you could have a couple of drinks and you could get into a bar fight or you could have a couple of drinks and you could have someone take a picture of you and posted on social media and say look at this guy. You have someone. That's easy there and says this guy's not training. He's not watching film. Think about this. This is their job but it doesn't have to be their life. You know. I mean it doesn't matter what you do if you're a plumber is the is being a plumber your entire life or do you have a life outside of your job. Think about it that way folks. I just wanted to kind of put this in perspective. I understand you want the steelers to win. I understand you want the organization to make the best decisions possible. I understand that we have these players put on a pedestal in our minds for what they should and should not be doing but let's also not forget that they are young adults that have millions of dollars in sometimes they make dumb decisions sometimes. They make dumb decisions. That's not an excuse. It's not an excuse. I want to make that very clear. But we can't expect them to sit at home and do absolutely nothing other than watch film workout and go about their business just can't it just cannot. We cannot do that and think that that's what they're going to do. So when you think about it from islands in what. I've been talking about here and it's hard to hard you kind of understand that you know what. Sometimes they're in a bad spot. And i think that's why sometimes a team like the steelers. They've taken a more relaxed approach to some of these off field issues sometimes. It's different but think about that the next time you're ready to go on twitter and blasts a player for posting a picture i know chase klay polls gotten he because he was out in vegas and he was doing take talks of. Oh what do you do. Well you should be in your playbook. How do you know he's not working out for two hours in vegas before he goes out. He's he not allowed to go out is he. Not allowed to create a brand for himself outside of the steelers. Come on people. Come on let. Let's let's be realists in this regard seriously all right folks. That does it for me. That's my heart. I went a little bit longer. I hope you don't mind. I didn't mind enjoy this show. Thought it was a good show. Kinda got some stuff off my chest. Listen behind the steel curtain dot. Com should be your one stop shop for all things pittsburgh steelers remember. I had someone asked me day. How can i be in the ryder. Diker at simple you have to listen to every show. Never miss a show monday. 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Let's Ride: Theres no easy fix for this Steelers offense

Behind the Steel Curtain

33:33 min | 8 months ago

Let's Ride: Theres no easy fix for this Steelers offense

"From labra doodles to grow nuts the world of hybrid so today businesses are taking a smarter hybrid cloud approach using the tools platform and expertise of ibm. The world is going hybrid with ibm visit. Ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud pittsburgh steeler fans. What's going on. This is jeff hartman co editor behind a steel curtain dot com for this monday episode of let's ride. It's it's a bummer. It's a bummer. But you know what. I'm going to start this show off the right way. I am optimistic guy in life not just with the steelers in life. If the worst thing that happens to you on this monday december the fourteenth is that the pittsburgh steelers have looked like dog crap for the last two weeks. Then consider yourself blessed. That's almost say right off the bat. If that's the worst thing that happens to you if that's the worst part about your day then a your life is pretty pretty darn good in the grand scheme of things when you look at twenty twenty. There's people that are so far off are so worst-off than that but that doesn't mean that we as fans in a very passionate fan base. That can't sit here and say there's something seriously wrong. There is something seriously wrong. And if you're not one of those people that sitting there thinking this then. I feel like the scene in die. Hard when bruce willis throws the body out of the window any hits the cop car. Any finally gets their attention and he yells down. Welcome to the party pal. This has been going on for three weeks. I mean this is the three games in twelve days stretch that everyone feared and it has been a nightmare for the pittsburgh steelers. Sure they finish one in two. But the way they've played has just been awful has just been awful. So you know what i decided to do. A few episodes ago. I talked about how there were some easy fixes. The steelers could do to really help them. In terms of the product on the field and winning games things like catch the football. You know this is after diontae. Johnson and eric hebron's crazy stretch of drops. Things like you know. Blown coverages or adjustments in game adjustments. I went on did a whole segment on that. That's not going to be the show today. I'm gonna put it that way today. The show today is going to focus on how the easy fix. There is no easy fix for this pittsburgh steelers team it pains me to say this it. Does it pains me to say this. Look this is not gonna be one of those episodes where it's an epic rant main. Many of you would probably love to hear that but to me. That doesn't do any good. You know when the season's over when it finally finishes that's the time that you go off and you just spout off but now the steelers still have stuff to play for here votes. I mean they're in the playoffs like it or not there in the postseason but to think that there's an easy fix for this team will. That's just not that's not in the cards. Not at all. So what i wanted to do is i wanted to go through and this is not going to be an excuse making session either. I'm not going to sit here and say well. You know this that the these are going to be facts facts about the steelers that you're looking at it and saying this makes it very challenging very challenging. So let's let's go over this. There is no easy fix. let me dive into. This starts off with injuries every team the nfl's her. I know this. I her trust me. I stated this on twitter yesterday after the game said you know. They're banged up group at. You always get does People say well. Every team is dealing with injuries. Yeah i know that every team is dealing with injuries but boy steelers have gotten injuries. It seems like to specific positions when you think about inside linebacker. Devin bush goes down. Roberts blame fills in in then. Robert's splaine gets hurt. Then vince williams is on the cova list. And so then. You're throwing avery williamson and marcus allen. And any other a ulysses gilbert the third was out there and he had already been hurt this season in any now you look at offensive guard that filer. It would interest his pectoral. We have no idea at this time. The severity of the injury. And then dotson comes in. And there's a lot of people including some people on our staff that were saying. Yes finally we get to see. Kevin johnson in their guard able to get to run the ball. They did run the ball better with him in the lineup. And he goes out with pectoral injury and yourself. My gosh now. Jc hassen hours in there. And you're wondering what the what the heck's jukes court for went out at some point during the game on sunday night football. So did alex smith. The one thing that everyone's talking about things like things like we need to overhaul this overhaul that and that's a word you're going to hear me use as well but it's gonna be tough when you have a revolving door at certain positions especially when you're talking about the offensive line and the key cog of the defense being inside linebacker so the injuries that's the number one reason. Why the steelers. There is no easy fix for this team. Moving forward it. It isn't that doesn't mean it's it's. I'm not suggesting that the steelers are beyond repair. What i'm saying is that it's not gonna be simple. Anyone that tells you is. They're fooling themselves. Let's go to the next one. There is an overhaul needed. Gator is an overhaul needed pot. It just this is not going to be an overnight thing you look at the fact that the steelers run game they they cannot do anything from a system standpoint in the run game and i mean they can't do anything. Someone said her on twitter. I wish i knew who was at give him credit. But i don't remember they said the only time the steelers get anything positive out of the run game is when it's complete improvisation. It's when james conner. Gets the hand off runs to the right. There is nothing but a wall. He reverses his field in gains three yards. That's not a designed run that is complete improvisation. And that is the state of the steelers right now especially in the run game one hundred percent. Improvisation and i think that you're getting to the point now and this is what's really scary is at the passing game is even turning into that as well. The passing game is turning into rothlisberger. Doing the no huddle telling players where to go what to do. There's no systematic movement of the ball on offense that is not a recipe for success. It just is not yet. People can talk about olive branch. I used to call his own place. Yeah terry bradshaw would call run. Plays a lot and he would make sure that he designed things a certain way. I don't know of the overall it's necessary can happen with an offensive line. That's as banged up as they are and with the fact that it looks like the steelers are just incapable of having any type of deep passing game period period. We'll talk about that deep passing game in a second but still we know as fans they didn't overhaul as necessary but the question then becomes. Can it happen in. i don't know if again. Can i just don't know if again there's just so many different variables here with injuries in with the fact that for whatever reason in this happened before. Those injuries happened ages. Looks like the steelers can not run the football and when you become one dimensional team in that one dimension is the short passes will defense is going to sit down. They're gonna blowed the box. They're going to say all right. You want to throw short. That's fine we're going to tackle the catch in. We're going to stop the run the process. We're gonna dare you to burn us deep. The steelers kevin proven to do that yet. What does that. Just remind you of what i just described. What does that remind you of two thousand and nineteen. That's exactly what it reminds. You of devon hodges and mason rudolph. They can't burn deep so we're just going to load the box. Anything you try to check is going to be tackled for little to no gain and we're going to get off on third down. That's what it sounds like. There's an overall necessary but can they get it done. I am skeptical. Put it that way is is the offense of issues in. Let's be honest the we're talking about the offense here. Are these issues ben. Rothlisberger is it ben. My first question is is. How do you go. Ben roethlisberger from being an mvp candidate people saying he's definitely going to get votes this year to now he's washed and he's done in the matter of three weeks. How does that happen. How does that happen. Did something happen. did i miss something. Did i slip into a coma. Incompletely miss a key juncture this season. I don't think so. i don't think i did. No i didn't so how does this happen. How does this house of cards completely come falling down. Well i'm gonna tell you what i think. I think that this steelers offense in especially the offensive line is currently being exposed. And how sell. I think that what they're doing is the. They've never been able to run the ball that well they use the spread offense to run the ball early in the season and it was effective. Why because teams were still worried about the d- threat the deep threats. Just not there anymore. So when the d. threads not they're going to load the box like just talked about as we talked about the overhaul just a few minutes ago but now all of a sudden everyone talks about myself included heavy offense of lined as such a great job. They've only given up eleven sacks this season so they have done a good job in pass protection but roth asperger's not holding onto the ball very long. We know that that's well documented. Two point whatever seconds. He's in and out of his hands. The problem is that i feel like now. You're looking at the steelers from an offensive standpoint in there being exposed to the point where you're saying okay. The steelers are trying to move the ball the way they had but teams are now sitting on it. They're waiting for it and they have no alternatives. They have no alternatives rothlisburger of liking. Give him time when he needs to actually drop back in. Hold onto the ball a little bit longer. I'm not sure if this offensive line is that good. Maybe that's the group is being exposed here so we have to think about that. We have to think about that as well but is it. All ben is his arm. Strengthen issue i don't know i don't think so. I feel like he's still puts them zip on the ball. I still feel like he has the deep ball as the accuracy there now no but at the same time. I'm not sure that's an arm strength. Question is his decision making think. So either i mean yeah. He threw the third down pass. That was picked off and return for a touchdown that pick six change the entire game and that was bad period. But i think his decision making. He's been pretty good this season. He pretty good ben. Roethlisberger is part of the problem. I want to say that very clearly ben. Rothlisberger is part of the problem. Is he the only problem. No is he the problem. No he's one of many problems the steelers face as they come off of these last two losses. So is it ben. sure yeah. A lot of it is ben. Is it all been no. It's not all been trust me. It's not all then last one here. Coaching we have to talk about the coaching. Why because coaching does matter. Even in the national football league. Coaching matters from top down. It matters so now. You have a situation where you waited. I say you talking about mike tomlin. Mike tomlin waited until diontae. Johnson and eric ebron literally dropped away points. Essentially they did everything under the sun in terms of dropping balls. He waited two weeks until he finally said okay. You guys are gonna have a seat. He bench diontae johnson in the first quarter and he's had him sit the rest of the first half. In indiana johnson came back on the field and played. They played okay in the second half when given the opportunities the top down is i'd say mike tomlin again. You talk about ben rothlisberger from mvp to now. Is he wash up and done. Mike tomlin went from front runner as the coach of the year to now people were saying. What the heck's going on in pittsburgh it's only been two games. I get it but technically been a lot more than that at least three going back to that ravens game on wednesday. So you're looking at the coaching. But also the adjustments. Okay so the. The buffalo bills in the first half did nothing offensively. Nothing the steelers had an answer for everything. They were trying to do the fact that they went into halftime trailing had to be absolutely disheartening. To that defense you go out there and you hold that offense to three points. And then somehow you're going into the half trailing that's disheartening but on top of that so the bills come out in the second half and they're definitely doing something different with stefan days job. Jeffrey benedict of behind the curtain dot com. He said his words online. But i trust his judgment here that the only adjustment. The bills made in the second half was a move digs to the other side. So they got him away from nelson and put him on cam sudden now now nelson was covering digs on a couple occasions in the second half so it wasn't as clear cut as that but still. Where's the adjustment from the steelers. Then that's what i wanna know. Where's the adjustment. Okay that's what they're gonna do nelson. We're gonna work. you're gonna follow him. You're going to have to follow him because we right now. Cam sutton's getting byrd. He's getting burnt. So we need you to follow up. This is one of the adjustments. That makes you scratch your head and makes you wonder why you're watching stefan digs by himself. Catch ten balls over one hundred thirty yards and a touchdown. At what point. Are you going to say we gotta do something to stop him. Period offensive adjustments. Goodness gracious. I don't have enough time in this podcast to talk about that. A the they literally just go. I could go on and on about how it's predictable. It's now to the point where and and let me also say you were talking about predictability. Is anyone else. Raise your hand if you're stunned that this is the very first time. Ben rothlisberger pick sixes season. I am absolutely stunned. Why because my gosh they throw these out route so often. It's just an amazing that no one's jumped one in taking it back to the house yet. It's a dangerous play and they got burt but still going back to feed. Ner everyone wants to hate randy feeder. I to me you wanna put the heat on randy feet yet to put the heat on ben roethlisberger as well. I'd say it's at least sixty forty. If not fifty fifty those two guys in terms of blame it is not all on randy feeder. You gotta put some onus on ben rothlisberger into those that are out there saying would net canada heat. Let's run his offense. That's not going to happen until ben rothlisberger done whenever that is however that happens dan. Rothlisberger will not run a matt candidate. Style offense. he just he won't ever buy into the motions. The rpo's no. He's not the quarterback for that offense anyways he isn't he just isn't he's more of a traditional standard quarterback. He's not the rpo guy that's used to reading the tackle and taking the ball and put put it in the belly and taken out of the running back and then throw it a pass. That's just not him so it may be mad. Canada is being groomed to be the next offensive coordinator. But that quarterback that he's gonna have is not then. Roethlisberger is just not going to happen. So coaching is an issue. Coaching needs to be better. Might tommy will give you all all this that and the other It'll tell you everything is press conference on tuesday. We have to be better. Yeah whatever you gotta show it you gotta show it. Put it out there. Finish this up with this. We just went through all the all the things that can go wrong. And how this is not going to be an easy fix for the steelers. But can they fix it. That's the question that is the question. Can they fix it when you look at. What's coming up in a lot rides on monday night football tonight between the ravens and the browns by the way if they can lock up the division in what if they lock up the division that week. Seventeen game doesn't mean anything and they can give some guys some rest you can see the wear and tear on the bodies for the steelers There there's so much has been adjusted this season whether it's thereby weakening bumped up you know the the fact that they've been games rescheduled a bunch in cam. Heyward you see. Tj watt. see ben rothlisberger The offensive lineman. Did you get worn down. You just get worn down. So can they fix it if they can get that by if they can get dad. I say by. I don't think they're gonna get the by but if they can get everything locked up in that week. Seventeen game for them means nothing and they can just throw mason. Rudolph out there and give ben the week off then. I think they can fix it but if for some reason that week seventeen game means something in. They have to play all the way up until the final bell. In all of a sudden i can see them limping into the post season. Being one and done the steelers can fix it. But i just don't know how fast they can get done. Are the bengals going to be the perfect elixir in week. Fifteen on monday night. Football possibly tappin. Before they did that earlier this season when they had played kind of not to not great and they came out and beat up on cincinnati and that seemed to be a good a good. Fix them but still. I'm not sure if they can fix it in this time. They really don't have any option whether putting out on the field right now is definitely not good enough. We all see that with our own two eyes. Can they fix it. We'll see when we come back after this break. I'm gonna talk about winners and losers finish up with a little little segment about the steelers going into the postseason satan. 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All right pittsburgh steelers fans welcome back to the second segment of. Let's right. I'm jeff harbor near host of this monday wednesday friday. Let's ride podcast. I'm sitting here. I've got my coffee. I'm looking at the window a big giant snowflakes down. What a beautiful scene here in the mid atlantic for this december day. And if the steelers didn't stink right now it would be even better. You know they're coming off of a really ugly win and as i always do winners and losers time winners and losers i guess honestly i couldn't write about this game too much. I was thinking about this and we did our post game. Podcast podcast late. Last night. i'm shocked. I stayed awake for it and i was the host of the show. So take that for what. it's worth. Hope the product wasn't that bad but still. I'm sitting here on the. I can't write a lot about this game. I feel like i'm saying the same thing over and over again. So i came up with three winters in six losers after the steelers. Twenty six fifteen loss to the bills in week fourteen. Let's start with the winters. I'm gonna start off with james washington three catches for twenty nine yards. And nine point seven average touchdown again. Set it down for the last five weeks. Washington does not get the targets. The diontae johnson or juju smith schuster does but he does makes place. He's a guy that should see more repetitions for some reason they. They struggle in certain areas to get him on the field and when they do get him on the field. He's not always. You know you think about like the past of ben. Rothlisberger third down where there was an interception. The let the lakey interception. James washington is kind of an enigma to me but he makes plays when a when it comes down to period so good for james washington. He's been playing great the last few weeks. He deserves more playing time next winter. This act streak. They got to. They got to him once. They got josh allen. One time the seventy games. That is insane to me. Seventy regular season games with a sack. The pittsburgh steelers surpassed the early two thousand tampa bay buccaneers that mike tomlin was helping coach by the way and they have a new. Nfl record with seventy games of this at you. Think that's probably going to give the seventy one as they go up against. Cincinnati who struggles The the biggest test in my opinion be when the colts come behind sealed because the indianapolis colts are rate above the steelers in terms of sacks. Allowed the steelers of the desk now eleven. I think the colts were at twelve or fourteen around there. They don't give up a lot of pressure philip rivers. It'll be tough to see if the steelers can get to him. That might be. That might be one to watch cases. Maybe district get snapped next winner in the final winner. Judy smith schuster six catches for fifty five yards. Nine point two average in a touchdown a lot of people are making a lot to do about him going to the buffalo bills logo and doing a dance on it. I could care less about that stuff. i it's more about. Can you go out and perform in smith. Schuster has gone out and he has gotten the tough yards. He is the heart and soul of this offense as it turns out. Dan rothlisburger is it. Benz never been that guy for the steelers. And so i look at juju smith schuster. He's the heart and soul of this offense and he deserves to be on the winners call. Let's go to the losers diontae johnson. He tossed my losers because four catches forty yards. Ten yard. average sounds great seven targets but he had to glaring drops early in the game. And you could see ben. Roethlisberger was making attempts to get it to him and even after the first drop he went right back to him. Because that's the way. Ben does it then is gonna be. Hey i'm gonna come right back to get ready. And he dropped the ball again. And then obviously mike tomlin benched him so at this juncture diontae. Johnson is like a roller coaster. He is like a rollercoaster. You never know the peaks and valleys with this guy. Because brevity drop he also makes play that he's electrifying in. So that's it's just. I guess it comes with the territory next loser ben. Rothlisberger finishes twenty one of thirty seven. One hundred eighty seven yards five. Point one average two touchdowns. Two interceptions was sacked once for a sixty five point nine rating. This is this is the danger you have when you have an offense that is built like this when you have an offense at the pittsburgh. Steelers put everything into ben roethlisberger basket if he doesn't play his very best game. This is what you get. And i've avoided putting ban on the losers less for a couple of weeks now but not this week. His play was just not good enough. Just not good enough. So ben roethlisberger losers list. Next mike tomlin because like i said earlier it falls on the coaching staff. The coaches have to put the players in the best position to win period. And i can't say that. I don't think mike tomlin and his staff have done that. Not not recently. I do think the mike tomlin still great coach. No i'm not calling for him to be fired. But when you when you play well and when you are everyone's talking about coach of the year that's all great but when you don't do the job and you don't get it done then. You deserve criticism as well and so mike tomlin needs better. His coaching staff needs to be better. It falls on the coaches as much as it does. The players so mike tomlin's on the losers list next loser ray ray mcleod. This game started poorly. Because of ray. Ray mccloud ray. Mcleod takes the opening kickoff about three yards four yards deep in his own endzone and incentives kneeling it which seemed like ten other players wanted to do he decides to bring it out and he gets tackled around the ten yard line. You compound that with yanti. Johnson's drop on first. Down in the start of the game could not have been worse for the steelers offense and on top of ray macleod. Put bring the ball out of the end zone. Where's ray mcleod. Been the last few weeks in terms of making smart plays but also really challenging. It doesn't seem like setting the returns up well on punt returns. He's not confident he's fair. Catching some kicks where you're thinking okay. This could be a returnable kick. I don't know what's happened to ray reply. But he needs to get straight because they need him to be dynamic back there and he hasn't been the last few weeks next loser the running game. I can just keep this in here every single week. It seems like seventeen carries forty seven yards a two point eight yard average. Just awful. just awful it. It's not it's everyone it's offense of line. It's the running backs everyone period just awful. Don't you wanna talk about that much anymore. And last loser the third down offense. I honestly didn't even realize until i looked at the box score after the game. The pittsburgh steelers were one for ten on third down offense. That is atrocious. How can you expect to win any football game when you can't convert on third down now. They did finish two for two. In the red zone that'll bump up there Red zone percentage on the road which is shockingly. It's going to be probably around seventy eight percent now the my goodness third down offense. This has been an issue for a long time. Not just this last three games. It's been an issue for a long time. They just cannot convert in it. Just it seems like it's a different story every single week. Maybe it's drops one week. Maybe it's not ability to convert on third and short. Whatever the case is the steelers offense is struggling from top to bottom. So that's my winners and losers call like i said. I kept it shorter than i normally did. I could have had losers call. That was about as long as utter. The ninety five theses or martin. Luther nailed to the door to the church door. But still i decided to keep it civil because i i don't know it's frustrating. It's frustrating. we'll put it that way. Put it that way. Let's finish this episode. Bill and i like to finish on a positive and i'm not saying that this is going to be a positive because a lot of people might hear say that. Think jeff. how can you talk about anything positive out this team. I understand that from a fundamental standpoint. No there really isn't anything positive to bring up with the steelers right now but the one thing that you have to understand is it. The steelers are already into the playoffs. Okay this is not going to be a fold achieve launch aaron. You missed the playoffs. It's not going to be that situation. The pittsburgh steelers are they backpedaling in. Yeah that's obvious. But at the same time i look at this team and say you're already in. Do you want to win the division. Yes of course you want to win the division. Do you want to host the playoff game. Yes of course you want to host the playoff game but you're already in and now it's time to figure it out so that you are in. Let's be honest. They have three games left. That is still time for them to kind of figure out. Okay of we're gonna if we're going to patch this thing together. This is what we gotta do. You know that this is the thing about the flexible commercial where the guy takes the flexible tatum and puts it over the boat. And he's he's in the middle of i dunno. Looks like a pool while on a boat in if they need some flexi slap it on this thing and say okay. This is how we're gonna make it operate because this is what we have to do to to win football games and maybe that means it on defense. They have to think outside the box. Maybe it means more marcus allen. I thought he played well On sunday night. He definitely wasn't a detrimental. Put it that way. Maybe on offense they. They need to say ben. I hate to tell you this but we're going to need you under center. The you're gonna we're gonna have to kind of go back to that. We can't be in shotgun. We can't be an empty formations the whole time. Like let's let's let's flexible the heck out of this offense and let's figure it out because we have three games to get it right three games to get it right in. Kennedy's team get hot. I absolutely think they can get hot. We saw them average thirty points a game earlier this season. I absolutely think that these things can be fixed. But like i said at the beginning of the show. There is no easy fix. It's going to take ben rothlisberger. Mike tomlin randy feeder mad candidate. Anyone else that you can think of to literally say ego aside. I'll do whatever it takes. That's what it's going to take ego aside. I'll do whatever it takes if it means that i have to do jet sweep after jet. Sweep if it means that. I have to be under center. Then we have to run the ball. With derek watt and i have to play action. Pass my way to move the ball down the field then so be it. If it means. It's johnson johnson s bench. More so be it. The steelers are in folks. They're already in so now. It's time to figure it out flexible. The crap out of this team is what i say. Figure out what you gotta do to keep the ship afloat long enough so that you get into the dance and you're playing some good football there need to be changes in. They've gotta get their egos out of the way. Okay then you might not like being under center. And having derek watt right behind you but you know what we gotta figure something out. We have to figure something out so the steelers are going to have for the first time in a long time a regular week. This week they play on monday night next week. They'll have an extra day off. They're going to have an opportunity to really figure things out and say okay. This is. this might be our best chance moving forward. I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do. I have my reservations for sure. But the steelers holy cow it cannot keep going like this it cannot keep going like this or else we might as well. Just go ahead and make plans for the third week of january. Because they're not going to be playing football period so there you have it folks if you were hoping for more vitriol for more anger for me yelling and screaming. I'm sorry. I'm sorry i'll let you down. But ultimately i look at this and say we need to take a we is in fans. We need to take an analytical view. Here i try not to be the guy. That's last night. That the post game show you need your the heck out of it you talk about what's frustrating but now today when he's let this digest a little bit. Is he going to do moving forward. That's what we try to hope. You enjoyed this show not fun. It's not fun to talk about losses like this and especially its loss by the way. It's also it's how they're losing you know if they lose a game in it comes under the wire. It was a really great game and it was fun to watch and highly contested Fans aren't going to be that of said when they looked like absolute dog crap. That's one fans get upset. They all right. That's a show. Let's put a bill on this one. I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you'll stick around. Don't go anywhere just because his team's losing behind the steel curtain dot com should still be your one stop shop for all things steelers in also our audio platforms gonna continue to churn out content. Whether it's my monday wednesday friday. let's ride. You're listening to right now. 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Starts of the Week, Wk 7 Matchups, Who Am I?

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Starts of the Week, Wk 7 Matchups, Who Am I?

"Hey, foot, clan. Are you ready to upgrade your DFS game? The path to DFS dominance begins with the ultimate DFS pass at ultimate DFS pass dot com. You get expert advice, weekly DFS picks premium reports and a whole lot more for one, low season-long price, check it out at alternate divest, pass dot com. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from draft dot com studios with your hose, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike, right. Welcome in. Another great show on the horizon. Thursday, October eighteenth, the fantasy footballers any Mike and Jason. We're back again and I'm excited to talk week seven, we got the fantasy forecast the starts of the week how you boys doing. Doing great, doing great, getting fit, getting energy. You are man went to the gym this morning after playing basketball last night. Might your bus in your, but. Yeah, tearing it up. Jason is thirty six years old. Never thought I'd make it this far congra- and came out to play some basketball last night with myself and my name, we held our own for mid thirties say. So I would say so shout out to dre our personal trainer who played on the other team. How'd you do own four bodied? I've learned some things in my life. Uh-huh. That's that's good. That's a few things. And one of them is definitely the the man who controls your physical training in your exercise regimen. It's never a good idea to publicly shame them and tell them to get body. See. I had not yet learned, said lessons about to your personal trainer already is bodied. That's a big body and say, hey, but on out today, the best personal trainer ever. I did not say any of what you just said. You can follow the show on Twitter at the ball. We're going to start with a game of who am I for the quick question today. Guys. It's been a little while. Let's see if you guys can guess this player based on these metrics, right? I'm really excited about this. It's been a while, so it's been a little while mine. I love these. I'm assuming that Brooks producer extraordinaire did not put the do you wanna play a game drop no into the good good prep work over there buddy now, but he did prepare this failed me. All right. Clinton Clinton does upset me. That's my favorite drop was one of them. Oh, ridiculous. Done this to yourself. I guess we'll have to play it again. All right, clue. Number one, I am the quarterback thirteen and fantasy points per game. Okay. I'm the QB thirteen clue. Number two. I've topped three hundred passing yards in four different games this season, but if not thrown more. Two touchdowns in any game. Okay. All right. All right. You ready for the next clue? Yeah, I don't think I'm don't think I'm ready to guess, clue. Number three. I've thrown an interception in eight consecutive games, dating back to last season including two last week. All right. Not the biggest clue there, but painting the picture, this one, maybe you guess after it, I have two hundred and three rushing yards tied for second. Got my guests among quarterbacks behind a certain I. Oh. Hi, Mr. Cam Newton, that's four clues. Let me ask you a question. Does this man have a snake? Nope. Oh, darn it I, that's your way of guessing. Blake Bortles. Blake, Bortles Blake, the snake. No, he does not have a snake man quarterback thirteen top three hundred passing yards in four different games thrown an interception and eighth straight has two hundred and three rushing yards to all those clues really seem. I don't see. I has Watson thrown up an interception and all those games. I mean, that's my guess you are correct? Yeah, baby. Yeah, it is to Shawn Watson when I heard it, he said the last clue as my ADP was the fourth round as the QB to that would have done it when I saw the clues and I saw that I thought the key to off the board was Russell Wilson. That was actually going to be my guess, but I know he hasn't been running to that degree. So yeah. What do you think of that picture of Shawn Watson there that I guess that fits with our. Regression thoughts before the season. Watson is basically what I've expected for him this year, why I was completely off of his draft price and the the possibility of him busting or just being an allergist, quarterback one was so great when you broke down the numbers, so it it makes sense. Makes sense. Yeah, he's still going to have monster game course. I think people are down on him because of this last week, which was pretty putrid, but I still expect good games going forward from from the Sean. It's funny because people were high on him because of the week before. Right. Oh, fickle. Yeah. And I mean, what do you do with him though? As an owner? Because here's what, what? What happens if his average opposition, we'll see fourth-round quarterback, which means he was one of the few that was drafted to be an every week, start Russell Wilson's in that category too. He's a QB thirteen through through six weeks. So you can kind of feel a little boxed into two starting him. Are you guys firmly in the look, it's going to be a matchup situation. If you had him in Big Ben. You're playing matchups. Now's the time to look elsewhere. He's playing in Jacksonville, I believe. I know it's against Jacksonville, I think it's on the road at so. This is a great week to pit it. You know, I would play Jameis. Winston would play Andy, Dalton. I would play guys like that over to Shawn Watson without any hesitation whatsoever. Agreed. All right. We don't really have a whole bunch of news to get into today. So I think we'll do it this way. Rams coach, Sean, McVeigh confirmed that Cooper cop is out. Oh, you t he home for week seven, Jason. You had a bit of news. The pro football Dr has gone back to video evidence on Jack Doyle. It looks like he's probably not going to come back before their week nine by which makes me slightly regret Eric on a pump. I I didn't think that Doyle was back this week, but if we're waiting till wings in week, eleven, if I can, if you're going to get another month of salt production out of Eric Hebron, I mean, you know, it felt it felt dirty from the Geico because I've been an Eric Ibran believer since he was drafted. And you know, I. You, we apologise for nothing. I apologize to you. You generally like to put yourself in the position to be right in all circumstance, all sorts of hedge on its if he does. Well, it's like I've been saying this for you. But I. If you Broncos does poorly, you pump the brakes shelves, right? Don't forget Chikao, Mike Kip who you are. You are. You're Wiseman on Sunday. In this you're talking about like league a record, in which case you can't beat you. Sunday live. Mike is on periscope. YouTube Instagram, twitch. Facebook live one hour before the Sunday kickoff giving you last. Last minute, advice, news questions, everything that comes across his brain in that hour every bit of tilting. He's doing his own roster you. It gets a little weird. Yeah, Sunday morning because it's just me talking into the camera. I noticed you're a little sweatier that those the filter is a little bit thinner as well. It's a fun show. It really is. I, I have it on while I'm doing my Sunday morning rankings and I'm always entertained and enjoy your analysis because I know Sunday mornings are a little bit more hectic in the more household you're down here doing all your last minute research. You've you've done all that prep work before going on. So I, I really appreciate it in I if you're, you know if you're out there and you have not checked the Sunday live. Yeah, it's really valuable. Now your happened on one hour before that London game, right? Yeah, totally. I'll be there. We'll be here right now in the morning. Yeah, that is our reminder here. We'll get into the forecast. I will mention this. All the injury news we'll have on in and out tomorrow. So if we have any additional, we'll cover it in the ups. But if we have updated news at all, be part of in and out on the tomorrow show with the rest of the fantasy forecast. Let's get into it. Dan SE forecast. Welcome back Detroit New Orleans coming back from the by. And then the Packers raiders Steelers and Seahawks are not playing in week seven. They're all on buying. We were joking about the the by weeks in the NFL somebody I wish I could give you credit, but somebody had a really amazing idea. Yeah. Did you see that? I did. It was every division goes on by for a consecutive weeks. Yep. And that's four week, and it works perfectly. And then you just rotate those weeks over the course of multiple years. So I thought I was like, yeah, that's pretty common sense. All right. Guess what Mike. Well, you got a London game. I mean, we had one last week, which was it was fine, but it over here on the west coast. That means they're playing football at six thirty in the morning. Yeah, the titans, three and three take on the foreign to chargers overseas across the pond. Those really good has really good. Minus six point five. That's where we're at with the chargers. Six and a half point favorites forty five point over under. And like Mike said that that game gets kicked off at nine thirty eastern six thirty Pacific. You know, just like the advice we give you for Thursday night football, which by the way is tonight, you know, don't have those London players in your flex position, put them in their regular position so that you have flexibility moving on into the other games of the day and just remember you need to set those lineups early don't. Right. Don't wake up and say, I've got my hour before kickoff, and then all of a sudden realize he's already started on my bench. I mean, if any of the titans start on your bench, you'd probably want to move them there now. Yeah, you're not really regretting anything in that point. Here's what happens in London. So often huge blowouts. I mean, we've seen so many over the last five or six years. It's not always not every game is that way, but there's such an uptick on just monumental. One team shutting the other out a. Team didn't travel? Well, one team did, and I think we're going to see that this this week, I, I'm pumping all my charters up and I'm avoiding every titan across the board. That's fair. I mean, the chargers are heavy favorites and the titans offense looks atrocious in. It's trickling down to everybody. You cannot trust Dion Lewis, Derrick, Henry, Corey Davis or Marcus mariota right now. I mean, there is no one and the chargers defense is improving week to week. Bright news broke this morning, Joey Bosa still out another few weeks, but they are getting better. He'll be back in time for the playoff push and look. Marcus mariota is not even throwing the ball enough to make anything relevant even though he's throwing it poorly pure volumes, not working. Yeah. And you still specifically for Corey Davis? I expect he will be shadowed by Casey. Hayward. Hayward has shadow three times this season and completely completely shut people down Kelvin. Benjamin Amari Cooper in Tonio calorie, the three guys that he has shadowed the those, they've put up a combined about thirty five yards or so between the three of them which three Kelvin, Benjamin Amari Cooper in Tony. Oh, Callaway. Yeah. Yeah, they they, they're covering themselves pretty good this year too. Well, let's just say it. Yeah, for sure. And you can't count on Corey Davis. He's not even. He's not really even a flex consideration this week. I'd rather go after a guy like Germain curse, right? Yes, Christian Kirk tonight I'd rather play over Corey Davis because of, you know, some news broke yesterday, Christian Kirk fifty, nine percent of his snaps outside, got the rapport with Rosen, Corey Davis right now is just a high high high risk wide receiver once really unfortunate. Yeah. The only player on the titans side of the ball that I would even consider in. You know if it's one of those, okay. You know, I've got some buys issues, especially running backs are always thinner. I would consider the on Lewis. I realize he has not been playing great. Nobody from the titans has, but I think it will not be close game. They'll be down and hopefully Lewis is more involved. I saw Derrick Henry on the waivers in our league of record. Yup. Yeah, I know who put them there. Yep, I did, and that's right. I did it as a little bomb and I went, yeah, there's a little bomb. The Henry is an interesting tempting pickup and as I'm looking at him, I go, this dude has had all the work necessary. He has gotten Carey's galore. I mean, eighteen carries eighteen carries tinkers. Eleven carries differ games, tons of carries. Let me ask you a question who has more fantasy points on the year tape on Austin or dare kindred. Oh gosh. No. To touch table, Chris ivory or Derrick. Henry ivory had that one big play. We did have a Bazeley equivalent of all of Henry's place. Put together, highyl us check or Derrick Henry. I mean, the answer is always not there. Cannery. Wow, Johnson, yeah. At a decent game ITO Smith, everybody you're starting Keenan Allen. He's going up is Malcolm Butler. Who's given up the most passing yards since the beginning of two thousand seventeen. That's a twenty two games span of failure from outcome Butler our good. No. So is this Keenan Allen's big breakout game? Does he does? He do it in London, I think so. Really. Think he has a fine game. I don't think it's the breakup and after last week, what do you feel? You know, Austin heckler had been kind of touchdown her boss but had been doing it most often Austin deflects worthy in this match? I still think he is never a guy. I want to play always a guy that you can. Yeah, the the problem was zero receptions, yeah. This past I was good and I think you're going to be up in this game, so you which means he'll he might get some of that fourth quarter. You know, he wakes up touches, but not the passing game, and that's where he always is so effective. Yeah, I agree with that patriots foreign to taking on the three and two bears in Chicago. The bears are three and a half point. Underdogs. The game has a forty nine and a half point over under. And here we are yesterday. We talked about Sony, Michelle, and James white. There was a listener question asking, you know, is this having chimera and and Mark Ingram in as much as I can start both guys every week we all said, yeah, yeah, you can. You can start two guys in this backfield you've seen this for years. Years with New England win. You know, it's a couple of players. You normally get a couple of players where the value birkhead white last year. We've seen it before. So if you have Michelle, if you have white start up, how often mystic are we about the pass catchers in New England, and you know, can you start anybody beyond Ataman Gordon. I'm very intrigued by this because the patriots are a team. We've seen them when they're going up against a defense. That's just extremely stout against something against the run, which the Chicago Bears are very, very excellent against the run. They can't stop the passing game. We might see Tom Brady throw the ball fifty five times Andy. Yeah, never mind. But regardless of that, like James white, he he's gonna see what eight to ten targets this week. The passengers. Too late. Be horrible. Now, I'm I'm super pump for Josh Gordon. Did I get it? They get hit the Mark impeccable, Josh Gordon who finally earned his way into some serious snaps and this is not Sam concern with Sony, Michelle, I will still one hundred percent play Sony even if I think that is workload, we'll be a little bit lower. The question is with grunk it. What is the status of Khalil? Mack who got a little bit banged up this past weekend because of Khalil Mack is playing than gronk think we'll have to block a little bit more, which is unfortunate because the bears do give up touchdowns to the tight end position. Yeah, I, it's a fair question, and I think that if you know they haven't given up a touchdown to a running back this year, you realize that to the bears. Whoa. Wow, none. No, rushing touchdowns. So through six weeks, they faced Jamal, William, they face the Packers running backs. They faced Seattle, David, the plays face David Johnson, the Tampa running backs the Miami running back. So it hasn't been, you know, an assortment of of world beaters, but it's kind of something's gotta give here where Sony, Michelle, despite being a rookie and having his workload increase progressively. He's still second in the NFL and red zone attack. Yeah, that's he's got the money position of the the goal I'm back for the patriots, super lucrative, but maybe you do see more opportunity for gronk in the red zone. If that if you know they're stouter in that department. The the interesting thing is on the opposite side of the ball, the patriots have only allowed one rushing touchstone this year they've allowed. So they're, I mean, they're. Are stopping huge games from the running back position. I'm not interested in Jordan Howard this week. He, of course you might have to play him. That's this is not a bench torn Howard. It's a crap. I have to start Jordan Howard this week. Yeah, I do. Doesn't feel good. You're you're hopeful with a with a blindfold on because you're scared of what you're going to see to Rico in. This seems like a better snap for him in a high scoring against the high scoring patriots. You would rather have the pass catching back that you know you just said they've only given up one touch down on the ground. So I if I had to pick between those two guys, I lean three Cohen for this matchup. It's not rest of season, but here in this game that that's how I lean, seven receptions each of the last two games seventeen targets in that span and they've been successful when you Leising him in the offense of scheme. I think you do. I like to recall on this week. I think the matchup bears it out with the patriots as favorites for anything else you wanna tie Allen Robinson. Yeah, for I was going to say, highlight the bears pass catchers, the one they're all they're all okay plays. I don't think anyone's a stand out if I have. To pick of the three lean lean Anthony Miller who should see his coverage against Jonathan Jones. And if I'm attacking any of the Cornerbacks on the patriots, that's where I'm going to go. I, you know, obviously Ellen robs it would be the number one. Yes, I'm always going to take the targets over the high upside, but if I'm taking, if we're picking a sneaky snort and this is not just in this game, I think this is, you know. League-wide one of the people on my radar for a sneaky. Smart, as we says is Taylor. Gabriel. I mean, we, we've seen the patriots beat with speed Taylor. Gabriel as we've established still fast, he's been getting done over one hundred yards. Each of the last two weeks. He's got the targets and the opportunity. I think he could end up with a big game. If you had Josh Gordon and Allen Robinson, who would you play Gordon? Okay. If you had. Marvin Jones or Josh Gordon that's much closer because I do like Marvin, I have Marvin Jones. One spot ahead of Josh gorriak, Louis, John Brown, or Josh Gordon. Wow. John Brown is a John Brown Dombrowski great. Play this week against the middle in Saint. Yeah, we might talk about. I think I leaned jar Brown. I you guys have decided to. Yeah, we get sorts of the week coming up. All right. The two and four bills take on the one in five colts. This one's going to be fun, colts seven and a half point home favorites in a game with only a forty three point over under the. This reminded me if you are a defensive stash Scher, the New England Patriots will be playing the Buffalo Bills next week. Very smart. If you got a burner you might as well be prepared because the patriots are going to shut down the bills next week. Yeah, the bills are going to start Derek Anderson. Maybe you've heard of him. He's been a perennial backup, maybe having ten years, look, if you don't know Derek Anderson, did you don't remember? Braila Edwards and Derek Anderson. 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Two hundred and two total yards lesean McCoy yeah, he's he's the only locked and loaded player from the Buffalo Bills are will say, look, this is deep. This is a much deeper play, but Derek Anderson has been friendly with the tight end position in Charles clay is known as Mr. necessary on this show. He does have into the past three weeks. He has at least five or more targets. What I remember about dare Anderson is when he was the backup for the Panthers and he would progress use with Greg Olsen and then Cam noone would come in and Greg Olson would do nothing. So that's just where that's coming from. I know it's, it's a, it's a deep shot. Maybe it's more of a DFS type of play, but just mentioning his name for people to look out for on the colts side of the ball. Andrew luck is playing at a very high level for fantasy owners. He's been turning the ball over a little bit, but a lot of bit. Yeah, a lot of it. But look, he is. He is making the best with what he has right now which has been Ricky. Braun just been Chester Rogers which has been Ryan grant. Now, Ryan grants not practicing this week, t y Hilton is practicing in full huge and look. No one's been better pretty much in football than Andrew luck. I liked the matchup at home. I know the bills have been playing. Well, we'll talk more about Andrew luck in a little while. So Andrew luck is is great with TY Hilton. The there is a little bit of worry I have with Hilton. I'm glad he's back. I think it's he's going to be unbelievable. We said trait for t. y. Hilton. I agree with all of that. This isn't necessarily the best week first week back from an injury. Probably he'll be shadowed by Davis white, who has done good work on devante atoms, Corey Davis, and the Andre Hopkins. So it's not a perfect situation first week back from injury against good cover corner. He also might not be a hundred percent. Exactly. I mean, he said his own quote was me at not one hundred percent is still better than most people. Yeah, but doesn't. It doesn't give you that I like his this. That re injury can't happen. I think it's a middle of the road star with Hilton. Would you rather start Allen Robinson or t y Hilton this week? I would rather start Alan Robson because of the injury I want to. I want that week buffer because what I don't want to have happen is have. T. y. Hilton, come out reactivate something and give me goose. Are you willing to start play Hilton? Are you willing to start Chesa Rogers this week, Mike. With Hilton back and a game where looked the colts low over under. Yeah, look, I guess if if you're absolutely desperate but the Christian Kirker Chester Radhakrishnan Kerr, here's the first three weeks when t. y. Hilton was actually playing. Here's what just Rogers was doing three receptions, three receptions, two receptions, all three of those matches under twenty yards. Yeah, great. Hilton's, the alpha of this team. The passing game goes through him and we'll go through Eric Hebron name, Hines, Marlin MAC and company in the backfield MAC last week had a great game, statistically on the way back eighty seven yards rushing on on. I think twelve carrie's name Hines has been pushed to the sideline. This is not a game where you're looking at the colts having to come back necessarily. So name Heinz. I do not feel confident starting Shannon start Heintz not this match. Yeah, this this is the game script. If you're this is the game script for Marla MAC, he you expect the to be winning seven and. Half point favorites at home. Just three carries last week for Hines with MAC back just two receptions. Yeah, MAC. They lost in certain situations. MAC will lose playing time because when they're the colts are coming back, it still Hines. That's what they did last week. But this week I'd not expecting them to be coming back. So Marla MAC is interesting name Hines or do Johnson recipe season Duke Johnson. Wow. With the I answered too quickly, but I still think I think it's do Johnson as well. I've, I've probably do Johnson, but the the possible merger of Nick Chubb gives me. Hesitant. I don't think Chubb would really eat into what Duke Johnson's role is and what he's successful at the the those two actually complement each other really. Well, it's the possibility of a three headed. Yeah, guy. I'm sure that's. That's all I'm talking about where high tunnel doesn't go away. Hines role is secure to me. He's if they're coming back. That's they go to nine AM heights. All right. The three and three Texans take on the three and three Jags in Jacksonville. Jacksonville's a four and a half point favorite. It's a forty two and a half point over under you guys were talking earlier about the kind of troublesome Matt's up for Watson, right? Watson was the, who am I. This, if Jacksonville struggles at home this week, their defense it, oh, another thirty point plus defensive failure, are we gonna stop looking at them the same way we should if that happened rather weak in a row. Yeah, you, you have to stop just viewing them as this locked down. Can't play against them because they an and we've talked about this before a lot. It's just such a different team with Leonard fournette and without Leonard for net, they can't run the ball as well as successfully with TJ Yeldan who is a little banged up right now. Yeah, he did return to practice, but he is dealing with his own injury. So you know if their offense can't, if their offense has to run through Blake the snake Bortles often able to, it's not gonna be great for their defense. I don't think Bortles really gets back on track until we see for net back in the lineup. It's been a struggle for him. Try, you know, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen him step up even drive to drive when they need something. TJ yelled banged up on this offense right now. I have. I think this game's going to be under that forty two and a half points. I think it could be a very low scoring game. I don't have competence in any pass catchers in Jacksonville. I don't. I people want to know, do you start? TJ yelled at right? I still start him. I think you have to, but he's really banged up like there. Jamaal Charles could see some actual work this week. Like I think ten to twelve touches for Jamal charter is in the cards and Yeldan is not an elite enough talent where he doesn't need the volume to give you that production. So I'm a little bit scared about Yeldan being a trap in this game against that front for Houston. De'andre Hopkins people may be concerned about Jalen Ramsey you still play him. You still play him, willful. There's been struggling. Yes. Inslee KiKi. The emergence of KiKi q t to will fuller has really been devastating, three targets the past two weeks for will fuller me. He, he needs more than that. I know he's a one play guy. He's he's a one touch man, but we gotta get him some more volume e in the coaching staff said they're not. They're not really sure why we'll fuller is not getting targets. Classic classic coaching. Talk there where I just don't know what's going on my team. I don't know why he's not getting targets had a bit of a hamstring problem. Yeah, so I'm, I'm not really interested in fuller or Cutie, at least as high level plays this week. The Jaguars they're still limiting big plays, which makes me not excited for for willful or and I I know that Dak came in and had a big fantasy game, but his numbers were not outrageous. They were just they were good for fantasy purposes. All right. Moving on. Let's talk about the two and three lions taking on the four and two dolphins this games in Miami. This is interesting. So are the dolphins? Is that right? Let me check that line again. Three point dogs at home. Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me. Brock. Okay. That is what I had a one point spread. Maybe it's up to three now, but yeah, Brock waas Brock Osweiler is going to be the starter again for Miami despite the victory last week Vegas not expecting a repeat Brock form. Brock performance? Yeah. It was crazy. I mean three hundred eighty yards passing most of that Albert Wilson. Yeah. Khattak. What are you looking at in this match between the lions and the dolphins. What are the big decisions for fantasy owners? I think one of the big decisions is gonna be Kenyan Drake because he's always on that. Bubble of can I start him? Can I not start him? And I believe this is a matchup where you can the Detroit Lions have been pretty good against wide receivers, pretty poor against running backs. Maybe that maybe that actually speaks more to Frank, always just going to say, would you rather start Drake or gore because I would rather play Frank gore. That depends to me on if I'm if I'm a favorite and I'm I look like this is an easy match up. I'm going up against a, you know, a loser of a team, then give me Frank work. Gimme. The shore carries against porous, defence, eleven carries twelve carries fifteen care exam. His workload is going, but he still is not that good. I mean genuinely he's had a couple of, no. I know he's had a couple of really great games where he's broken through, but he's also shown games where he has an and so. Six point, seven, Kerry five point to carry. But when you say not that good, you mean it in the fantasy context. He's not bringing you a lot. Not on that. Not the on the field contest. He's not blowing up and I do think Drake still has the higher ceiling this week in this backfield. So if I need to swing for the fences, I would lean Drake, but this is a week where you can look at the dolphins running backs. I believe it's it's the one we. I mean gore only has four receptions on the year. That's why those numbers aren't up. Drake, catch the ball, still needs to break play. Albert Wilson chasing points with our Wilson. I'm okay with it. It's look. Albert Wilson, his his cornerback matchup is not terrifying this particular weekend. So if feels really, really like the the futile chasing points, but I'm okay with him. And you flex. How confident are you in kerryon Johnson on the other side at the running back position? Carry on coming back from an injury, the dolphins of Mr. tackle on twenty seven point. Nine percent of rushing plays this. The worst in the National Football League, they've been very bad against the run, and but they are at home and carry on is a bit of a wild card. I know that you love them Jason. I wouldn't marry him if you could. Yeah, you know, I've been waiting. I said, this is going to be a second half of the year player who has shown very well every time he touches the ball. He looks clearly like the best back on the team feel Riddick has been missing some practices carry on. Yes, he, he left the. Previous game with an injury, but he had an entire by week. He's practicing in full. We're actually going to talk about him in a little bit why. I think that this could very well be the breakout game for carry on. I am extremely confident in starting carry on Johnson this week. The matchup does not scare me the opportunity coming out of the by with the rookie to get more work is a common thing that we've seen before, and I think he will lead the we saw last week before he got injured. He was the starter, yes, Email and started that game had he not got injured. I think the breakout would have been one week before the by. So I think it's coming this week. Oh, it's so smooth Asaka about Kenny golladay Gandhiji and his friends golden Tate. Marvin Joan, Kenny golladay, how smooth Willoughby for those three. I'm interested in playing all of them regardless of the dolphins, their metrics against fantasy wide receivers. They're, they're thirteenth. So you know, I'm paper. It seems if you're not one of the great or the elite bad, it's just you're, you're an Kenny golladay averaging over eight targets per game. Golden Tate is being overshadowed by what his is doing because gold date has been incredible in credible fifty-one targets, thirty three receptions, four hundred thirty yards. He's leading the team. He's he's a great play. Marvin Jones was the man last year. He's he. He is the third option on the team. Would you play Tate or golladay. Validates been more consistent than Taytay tad. The one Monterey aim I would, I would still play Kenny gaudy over golden Tate. I, I would lean Tate, but I can get the argument for a higher ceiling. We'll get. We're gonna get you eventually on the candidates. You think I don't love Kenny it. Why don't you love him? My my belief in golden tape is not mutually exclusive from also liking. Can he go at some point you might like him someday. You just have a hesitance. I do have a hesitance, and the hesitancy is not Kenny golladay. The hesitance is golden Tate and Marvin Jones. You can't always know where that ball's gonna go. So I'm going to go to the guy who's the number one target who's worked into more of the screen game, who's great yet guy who's done it for the last four years. He's always a ninety reception thousand yard guy. Any golladay is a four for eighty and hopefully scores got s but he's good. He's good. Reminds me a little bit of. I've heard the com- comparison to a even stronger AJ green type of body. Yeah, you know, you see them make those hands catches at the top. I'm watching not as refined of route. Runner is green, but he's got positional. Armenazi sturdy. Yeah. Watching the film on kindergarten. They can get you real height because some of those catches he makes are just they're awesome. I mean, you you word of that beautifully like his body positioning is exactly what you need is wide receiver, and that's great for any wide receiver. But then when your body positioning is that on point in your body is what is he's like six months. He's like six, three like then then it's really hard to defend when we may have to six four to fourteen you. You might have to readjust your view of him in terms of trays and things like that because cashing in on him could be a mistake. Agreed. The three, two and one Vikings take on the three and three jets. The jets are at home. They're only three point dogs in this one. They've been playing very, very well. Yes, forty. Six and a half point over under, and I want to start with Alvin cook because this is the headline news for everybody practicing full again this week. I had somebody d this morning. They said, TJ Yeldan or dalvin cook. Why would you all say yelled in because that's where our start said tool right now on the website, fancy footballers dot com. That's what it says. It's just is delve and cook actually playing because we saw this last week. Oven cook was practicing in full, and then they decided the best thing for him is to sit down. I think he'll play, but you had we count album cook the week before rush, killed fantasy owners. You had a really good week from the TV's Mary, and you have a situation where hamstring injuries a possibility. That's why lean yelled and his well, if you need a baseline of points, ten points feel safer in the hands of TJ Yeltsin dalvin cook is currently in this. This is a hedge against injury is currently my running back forty four, because well, the idea of playing him terrifies me. You know, if you played him a couple of weeks ago when he was dealing with this injury and re Angra vacated it, you're you. He has the potential kind of like I was. I was saying with the hill when you're coming back from an injury, like this hamstring you just have the potential goose egg or give you one or two points and those things dive bomb your week. All the sudden now a match up that you would have rather just gotten eight points. If you could have just got a good game. Now you've got make up somewhere else. You got to get lucky with stupid kickers because you had a guy go out. And I don't necessarily think that the upside is there for this week. I don't think they're going to have him come in and touch the ball, twenty plus times, and he's going to have a just monster Dalvand cook game. So I'm hesitant start him. Yeah, I I hear you Adam feeling number number one. Fantasy wideouts digs you can play them. The jets are giving up the most yards in the league to slot wide receivers. Adam Phelan about to hit his seventh straight game. He's just been unbelievable. I mean, the target one hundred yards are incredible. Can account is eight straight games this week if he hits two hundred yards. Can we count our Bank them about you Bank for next week? Look, Sam darnold playing well, averaging seventeen point two yards per completion on third and long this season. The second best in the league making plays is what I'm saying. Yeah. And you've got Germain curse and I just have. I got a feeling about Jemaine curse man. I just feel good about him. I told you I'd spent fab dollars on him. You've got an injured Quincy noon while won't be playing. You have Terrell prior who hasn't been practicing, and even Robbie Anderson has been banged up just returned to practice today. So Germain curse is to me, he's a guarantee. Twelve targets in this game. I have has density with curse this week just because of the budget. The no. The matchup is is actually great for bankers. MacKenzie, Alexander who will be guarding the slot position for the Vikings similar to an appeal and versus the Jetsons slot curses curse his very safe to me this week. I guess where I come from his. Is it you know, will will they be shadowing Robbie Anderson or do they not see Robbie Anderson as that good? Because you know Xavier Rhodes has has been great. He is one of the few shadow corners they, they usually use those shadow no every week to truly lock someone out. And I just don't know. They're not gonna do that to curse curse is gonna move. I know he's talking about Robbie, I'm saying, I don't know if they're going to do that to Robbie Anderson, but it. So if they use him, you had a different way. I think you have to put Xavier Rhodes onto Robinson. You have to try and stop the big play. The Vikings defense, they're allowing twenty plus yard completions on over thirteen percent of passes. That's third. Worst in the NFL big plays are killing the Vikings and you cannot allow Robbie Anderson to do that. Well, we're going to talk about your main curse a little bit more in a minute. So I've I've decided to pivot a little bit. Let's get into it. Starts of the week. Well, let's start there. Let's start at the wide receiver position. I did want to give a little Pat on the butt to Robert woods. I don't look. He's the six ranked whiteout right now. You probably don't need me to tell you. He's a start note with Cooper Cup out, so I'm not going to. But what I will say is I'd start woods over Michael. Thomas have had to make that decision. That's how high on rubber woods is, oh, if you could see Brooks's face, he just ate a lemon including the Rhine. This is true. But my start of the week is germane curse against Minnesota. This is a game that is built for a peppering of a comeback targets for Germain curse. The jets defense is not gonna, stop, Minnesota, Sam darnold gonna have the game in his hands every week. He's getting a little bit more control the offense. And I think germane curse is a solid, solid start this week. Who do you got your start of the week? Jason. I've got John Brown smoke because look smoky has been on fire this year. I know he had a little bit of a down week this week every wide receiver. It does actually the last two weeks. It does not matter if you are in Tonio Brown or anybody so far not named Adam Phelan you will have down weeks at the wide receiver position, especially when you are the deep threat guy, but his air yards have been out of control in the matchup is perfect against New Orleans. He's going to be going up against Ken Crawley. It is a major. I mean the the matchup a specifically with that cornerback John Brown skillset, we'll torch him. I think. That New Orleans will be able to score in a way that Baltimore has Baltimore's, but shutting people down. Their defense is great, but New Orleans offense will get it done enough to where they're going to need to air it out, and people have been beating them. I don't think Marcus Lattimore is going to be an issue for John Brown. I think that's more of a Michael Crabtree guy. I'm starting John Brown if I've got him this week. Yeah, he's like you said he's aid dot master, and the New Orleans Saints are allowing a very, very deep targets. So it's a perfect marriage aid has averaged up to the target. Yes. Case, you haven't heard the sling, Mike, you've got an interesting name. I struck out on him last week is the start of the week. So good luck to you. It is. It is funny. You mentioned that because every time I hear at-at we're in Arizona. Yeah, Arizona department of transportation like you see AT dot everywhere. So it's like it's weird. Everwood flayed fantasy wide receiver started the week is Jarvis Landry clue. Cleveland Browns going against those Tampa Bay Buccaneers six teams, sixty fences in the league, have allowed ten or more touchdowns receiving touchdowns. One of those teams is Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The buccaneers have only played five games compared to the others who are playing six. I think this is when Baker Mayfield and company get things back together. The bucks are just hemorrhaging points to the wide receiver position. And I think that Jarvis will be the biggest beneficiary of this. I've, this is the week. This is the week that everyone was waiting for for Jarvis. Yeah, I thought that was last week. I'm just so scared because something isn't working like between Baker and Jarvis and I keep leaning on the the match ups. Like I know I starting out to turn up. Yeah, we'll see a lot of times when teams fire their defensive coordinator, their offense coordinator that first week, that first week is is a little bit. They rally rally. So I look, there's two things that just makes me slightly worry. They're the ankle with Baker. I wanna make sure he's able to move around and be mobile and I and that rallying. But other than those two things which are kind of fire didn't, they fire their defensive coordinator, Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay. I. Oh, yeah, Gotcha. I thought about the Cleveland, so. So you know, I I have a little hesitancy there, but it's gotta happen. I mean, come on Jarvis. It doesn't. You gotta bless if it doesn't. There's. There's gonna be some panic in the streets? Yes. All right. The running back position. I'm going to Rico against New England love of game script, recent performance, no reason to not believe in to wreak right now and look, New England can give up a big player to they didn't deal with the speed of tyreek. I don't think they're going to deal with the speed of Tariq. The dinosaur. Rhonda thing rock. Sorry, Tara. So Torri Cohen. My start of the week, Jason. Well, hold on. Let me just, oh, hit it. Stardom calling for the breakout. I am calling for the breakout. I have him this week as my running back. Twelve. Whoa, I believe it's going to happen. Look. The guy has been on fire. He's averaging five point seven, two yards per carry. The matchup is great. His coming off of a by with a hobbled THEO Riddick. That's the biggest thing for carry on Johnson to me is they had the bye week you had long time. You could rest a player and then Wednesday, THEO. Riddick had to sit out of practice in feel Riddick is not there to soak up the targets carrying Johnson's floor goats way. I believe carry on Johnson has north of fifteen touches in this game total between rushing and passing. Not that eating up. Yes, that is correct. I, if you have a map north is up. And so I, if he gets more than fifteen touches, he's gonna have a fine game. Yes, he's not going to bust. He's not going to be bad. He's going to be a starter will asset, but he has the ability to also have a blow up game. So why not? Jay? That's doing, let's do it. I'm pegging, Mike, you're running back on goal with Philip. Lindsay. I'm Jay. Pushes the microphone away and it disgusts because he cannot make a decision on who you guys. You guys have both made my to flex options. John Brown in Philip, Lindsay, your starts of the week. I mean, well, either you get into Philip Lindsay, and then I'm gonna ask Brooks to make a decision either were giving fantasy advice or were just twenty mental warfare against your not. But there is on the cardinals have they're giving up the most points to the fantasy running back position, they they can't stop anyone. Latavius Murray who has looked atrocious came in and said, that was his best game of all time, right? Yeah. Career high in rushing yardage. The cardinals are putrid against running backs and even with the timeshare with Royce Freeman and company. I still think that Philip Lindsay is it should be locked in as a running back to for your team. If by chance they are getting boat race and. A quarterback change over happens in Mr.. Chad Kelly makes his way in the field that changed your outlook to the offensive strategy or how they use the running back or anything? No, probably use the running back even more. No, I I agree with everything you're saying in the matchup I lean towards Royce Freeman, but I would start both both players Brooks, who do. I started my flex, John Brown against New Orleans. Great matchup built Lindsey against there's on is basically they're facing the worst against that position. So is Jaylen Brown against the worst of the position better than filled Lindsey against the worst of the position I go, John Brown. So this is one of those. You know, we give advice all the time. Those players I like John Brown more than Philip. Lindsay, Andy is a very heavy favourite playing a team that you know he should beat. That's where I would go Philip Lindsey, because the floor is hired, John Brown explode. So I have in there. We could also have two receptions thirty four yards. My side of the week at the tide imposition. I'm going to go ahead and stack Andrew luck. My quarterbacks started the week with Eric abra now I guess we start. We didn't go through quarterback yet. Did we. I'll give you. I'll give you both. Eric Hebron is tied in. Andrew luck is my quarterback. I want to give you a vote of confidence in Andrew luck. He's been the number two quarterback over the last three weeks. He's also playing against the defense that's third-best against the quarterback position, which could be troublesome, not a hi over under, but I think inr luck gets it done this week regardless. And he does it in part. Thanks to Eric Ibran. His torrid touchdown pace. I think e Brown's good for another touchdown in this one which will be number seven on the year for run quite the quite the season does far. Look start both those guys against buffalo despite their ascendant defense. My tight in start of the week is CJ Yuzawa available on plenty of waivers and should angles tight end Bengals tight end, yes, maybe you don't know who CJ Yuzawa is. He is the next man up after the Tyler Tyler twin tight ends. Have gone down for the Kansas City Chiefs. The Ford, the the Bengals, the Kansas City Chiefs, their opponent where they will be this week that they have not been able to stop the tight end position in general. It has been since week one. So five straight weeks in a row that they've given up at least seventy four yards to the tight end position which is a lot. I mean you're talking most of the week's ninety seven ninety two eighty six. How about one hundred and sixty four yards in week two? So given that they are giving up a lot to the tight end, which you know they're, they're giving them a lot to all positions because their offense scoring and the other team has to come back and the fact that CJ is now the only cat in town at the tight end position stack that with any Dalton's propensity to throw to the tight end position, not only between the twenties but also in the red zone. I think CJ Yuzawa is very safe with a high ceiling. I like him. I would start him over a lot of options this week and your quarterback. My cortra- back I am. I am telling you if you had a down week last week from zero. Every he was awesome last week in a pew trade fantasy performance. Yes. He scored fewer than ten fantasy points. But if you watch the game, they just didn't need him. He was lights out. He was playing great. Todd, Gurley was just running for over two hundred yards gone all the touchdowns. It was not a big worry. Goff has been unbelievable against San Francisco, the twenty eighth against quarterback position Goths going to get a couple of long bomb. Touchdowns. You're going to be super happy started. Jared Goff don't don't be too overreacting from the last week and a lot of people bidder with Jared Goff last week. Yeah, I noticed that. I mean on Twitter, that was probably one of the top ten things I saw reaction wise people played him. They were disappointed despite the obviously, the big win, Mike, your quarterback and you're tied in. So my quarterback start of the week, I'm going to go with the red rifle. I'm gonna take Andy, Dalton, who's. In the match up with the Kansas City Chiefs. This is it's both this matchup and quarterback who is playing very, very well. Andy, Dalton. I mean, he's been a multi touch down machine this season and the Kansas City Chiefs. Of course, they score a lot of points. It just absolutely makes sense. And then the tight end, I kind of I have to hear because Evan Ingram, I want him to be my star of the week, but he's on Monday night so it's it could be difficult for some teams to lock into Evan Ingram and be ready to go. The matchup is great. I think that ally manning who is my stream of the week is going to come to life. Evan Ingram could shock you though. As being a surprise out, he is on track to play Monday night. But if you don't have Austin Hooper, then you're going to be in a really bad position with your tight end in us Hooper's. Actually, my other started the week NBA jam rules us and Hooper is the breakout real. I think we're going to find out this week. York Giants are not a defense that can shut down the tight end position. So. Awesome. Hooper the double digit targets the past two weeks together. What week? Three years. A great question. Then this is a legitimate question. A lot of people will have this situation Brooks, I on our league of record. Had this situation at you lost heaven Ingram. You picked up us in Hooper. They both play Monday night, both good options Evanston rooms in the game. Who are you playing between those two players? Ingram. Okay. Yeah, Evan Ingram. If if you don't remember, I mean, it's been a while he's week to was his last full game, and he was absent monster seventy yards with a score only nineteen yards in the game when he was knocked out. But Evans is he's a very unique and special talent. Yes, he's a great pass catcher. He's a great player in the New York Giants they need. They need them. All right. Our final segment of the day, those were the starts of the week, but more importantly. Jason Moore's ironclad locked and loaded one hundred percent guaranteed boom, boom. Kicker of the week Mike's been waiting waiting, but it's short time to put in the leg the Rams Greg's or align. What have you done Jason. Take that Mike. Enjoy your boom, boom. Greg's airline comes out and gets hurt. Again, I'm going to be furious with is locked and loaded, though Mike unloaded, hey, everyone. And there is a pretty cool new podcast. I'm excited about look, we we all think we know what happened with Aaron Hernandez in April two thousand seventeen news broke that he had killed himself in his jail cell, but what exactly happened to kind of turn him into the killer that that got him. There did his football career play a part in that from the Boston Globe spotlight team and wondering comes an in-depth investigation into life, legal troubles and debt of Aaron Hernandez. Go subscribe to gladiator, Aaron Hernandez and football Inc on apple podcasts today. All right, that is it for today's show. We'll be back with more matchups tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in supporting the podcast and don't forget to check out draft dot com. Slash ballers. You wanna play some d. f s? See you tomorrow. Fook Lynn, goodbye. 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Coach Mike Vrabel, DK Metcalf, And Time Traveling

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Coach Mike Vrabel, DK Metcalf, And Time Traveling

"On today's part of my take we have coach. Mike variable our friend recurring guest coach of the Tennessee. Titans we talk about their improbable run to the AFC championship. Where Tom Brady's GonNa go and much more? We also have decay metcalf in studio to race. Pf T settle their beef once. And for all I think they're best friends now. So that's great. You have a nice like mutually destructive relationship. Yeah and he does it. There's always a smile so it feels good We have Corona Virus Update. We Have Conference Championship. Week on the horizon. Who's back the week Tibo update? I also have an idea that I think's GonNa make us a lot a lot of money boys Liza investing in oil. Nope IT'S A LOTTA MONEY. T-shirts the wave of the future. T. shirts whatever whatever need a t shirt T. shirts T. shirt and more t shirts before we do that. Pardon my take is brought to you by the cash APP. Not only the easiest place to send money to your friends. 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Warriors out there that don't change their clocks. Cars are there microwaves. Are there on your risk. You're ready to. I'm ready to go. It was a really good to wake up and finally know the right time. So Hank should we continue the discussion at all. Should we go back to it? All we were talking before. Hank thinks we've added in our son with the change. We have okay. There's Jeffrey as much sun as yesterday you're awake for more of it. We have an extra hour of sun this afternoon. recording at seven o'clock at night it's still light outside and Yuck And yesterday at seven o'clock it was dark out. So that's an extra hour address on. What were you awake at two o'clock this morning. When it shifted to three o'clock I was not that was spooky. I'll tell you what trying to figure out the time change with the baby was hell on earth for my brain because that was the first. I thought I knew what time was then diabetes understand. No babies don't they just wake up whenever they want So yeah it was. It was tough to figure that out. It's the first time there's really diva if feels felt like time. Put Me in a mental pretzel and I couldn't quite grasp it but we're here. We're we got here. I'm just glad that they don't have like Andy Reid. Coaching football on on days. Like today. Where you just miss like. There's a ghost our would get confused by that. They should really do the clock changes in the middle of the week so that everyone can have one day where they can show up late to everything and be like whoops. Sorry Dude I agree I fucked up. I didn't realize today was the day we change the clock. They should have flava. Flav just like yeah. I'm to the top of big bend. The clock and then he announces when it gets changed on like a random Wednesday afternoon. So I've always thought it'd be very very confusing on days like today if you live inside state that has multiple times on that stay. Indiana I there are out actually. Let's throw it out there. I would love to talk to someone who works in Indianapolis but lives in central time zone. There's gotta be someone out there who commutes the Indianapolis Police we will have you on. Pardon my take and we'll just ask you stupid questions like. How does that work? Eric Brown Eric Hebron does he probably doesn't he probably he probably commutes all the way from Chicago to Indianapolis Every Single Day. So find that person has to exist and I would love you know what. That's definitely a story that because Rick Reilly no longer is on this planet. It would be great. 'cause he would definitely nail that story. That's Rick Reilly Story and he would talk to some old guy who's been doing it for like fifty years commuting across time zones every single day. Well he he could just make it up to yeah we. We'd like to talk to somebody that exists in that exact description of big cat gave. We'll just invent the story and make up and be like this guy's been working his hands to the bone. Where'd you get an extra hour? Is that good or bad for you if you live in the central time zone now we've gone to phone. Wake up and take sickie. We've gone to know you would if you had an hour commute to Indianapolis. Yeah it'd be at work at nine. You'd leave at seven. So that sucks but then you get home. Haven't actually power. There's gotta be someone we Kinda Talk. Yes it would be awful if you hated your family right because then you have an extra hour with your family at the end of the day and you're still up extra early in the morning says double suck edge if you love your family. It's probably sports being on I. Yeah let's talk to that person. We'll talk to that person. Alright so time. Change Conference Championship. Week is finally here. One of the best weeks of the year the best two weeks year right now coming up with March Madness and conference championship week. There was basketball Saturday all Sunday. Everyone's going crazy about the brackets. Who's in WHO's also blind resume season? Yes we have bubble watch. We should actually just do the Joel. Nardi beef right now. So Joe. Leonardi is in a beef with Archie Miller. Who is the head coach of Indiana Archie Miller? I don't even know if joe knows that he's in a beef because he's in his bunker and actually like Joe Outsmart at all of us with the corona virus stuff he is probably the most immune to corona virus. 'cause he seals himself up in that room for a few weeks every year he's he's going to merge out into the daylight like. I am legend on April first and be like I've done it. It was all worth it. We'll have to. We'll have to take cells from from Joel and Hardee's body to figure out how to go forward with the human race yes Archie Miller after losing to Wisconsin on Saturday said when I was in the Atlantic. Ten Joel Nardi was my best friend. Now he's crap on Indiana to get people to watch his sesame street. Show now you can go back in. The trash can where he came from now. I actually don't think they were best friends. He's what he's saying. Is Joanne already sticks for the Little Guy For the little guys now he goes against the you know mid pack lower. Pack of the big conferences like Indiana this year. Yeah calling him sesame street. That's that's sick. Burn though like today your Oscar. The grouch go into your trash can. It's tough to come back from that one if Julian already but this is like the two week span were. Jolan already has superhuman powers. I don't think even Joe doesn't know that he's being trash talked. He probably wouldn't care no I. He seems like kind of guy that's like if they're talking trash about you. That means that you're doing your job right. Yes got haters. Listen when you get into the bracket business. You don't do it to make friends. Yes it's also the week where we get to see the knockoff. Jilin artists and I always feel really bad for those people. I mean Jerry Palm who'd CBS has been trotting out there. He knows like you can just look at his hair and you know he knows because he doesn't even I don't think he even knows that they've made products for hair He just he takes a shower in just walks out of his door. Whatever it looks like. But that's a guy who's got a face of. I'm number two and it's not even a question. Yeah you can't compete with Joey brackets. He designed this. Nobody owns two weeks in a very niche area. Like jewelry does maybe milk hyper around the draft. Even Mel has he has mcshea. Maybe the Cleveland Browns the first week in January when they're going coach shopping but always Pencil Joey brackets and for these two weeks. This is his time to shine. So like there's there's really no point in trying to upstage him. If you're that Jerry Palm Guy Yeah you yeah you have to come in. He basically just comes in he he he does his job and he goes home and just sits he probably eats like a really sad weh. Turkey Sandwich every night in his hotel room being like what's even the point cornflakes water for breakfast. Taking your overtaken. Joey Bracket Joey brackets has got me. Archie. Miller also told him to go back. Go back and it's trash can. I'm trying to find. Jilin already. Has responded he probably again doesn't even know that this has been not lobbed his way. Well that's the thing about about Joey. B.'s he's he might live in a trash can but Oscar. The grouch was very happy and it's trash can and Oscars had Iran of what like forty fifty year ever? So that's exactly what Mr Brackets is trying to do with his life. That's probably not even insulting. No absolutely not absolutely not. So that's going to be also. Jolan already has a weird simmering beef with Bill Walton. Which I can't tell if it's real or not I don't think bill knows if it's real nokia blowing bubbles this weekend Dave Pasch fascinated. Yes and now he's going to get to go to Vegas and take his bike out into the desert and have a great time with the PAC twelve championship. Yeah so when we interviewed Bill Walton. Was that two and a half years ago. Three years ago he was. He struck me as being confused as to whether or not the Statue of Liberty and the Eiffel Tower. That they have in Vegas was actually the real statute but he was. He was amazed by it nonetheless so it doesn't matter if it was real him. That's all that matters shocked and amazed by the way Washington if you looking for longshots Washington and a UNC. Those are the two teams in their conference. You'll think UNC NC Co. Anthony said there were top ten team right now when like a week ago. Yeah I mean in the nation but I think you know his his players. Let him down this year. You CAN'T PUT US on Roy. Williams are courses finally. Put it all together. Even though they've lost like a million terrible close games that they should one. I do want to say. Congratulations to your Wisconsin. Baduel that's my who's back. We'll get to that on my. Who's Belka yeah okay? But the badgers are back pre. Who's back thank you thank you other things. We have to get you before we get to. Who's back the Lakers are in the NBA finals? So congratulations to them. As first reported by Magic Johnson he said Laker nation after this is after the Clippers. Lakers game today leaker nation. After seeing what I saw today from the Lakers defensively and offensively they are going to go to the NBA Finals Stereo. Now they just beat the in this weekend they just beat the what would most people would say are the second and third best team in the League. Beat the box on Friday. And they beat the clippers on Sunday. Who THE CLIPPERS. With all their healthy guys were ten in until that point. I don't understand why we talked about this a couple of weeks ago. I don't understand how Lebron James is somehow like at still at the height of his powers at thirty five It's incredible they're very now. Would you say at the Lakers are better without Magic Johnson? Working in the Front Office. Because they've turned it around yes ever since he quit being team president to be fulltime tweeter but he got on and his twitter game has gotten a lot better. I would say the Magic Johnson. Twitter game is better without the Los Angeles Lakers involved in his life. Yeah it was like both sides. It was a win win situation. Lebron was also asked about The possibility playing games in front of no fans. He said that if there are no fans he's not playing so like a little reverse of load management. It's good for him but when the fans take load management he's like no. It's not worth me showing. Oh you didn't even read the whole understand that like there's people that watch at home though he had no. No the whole quote was if there's no fans there's He's not playing and that he's done his research and he doesn't even think the krona virus started in China. China would never start something like that. Did he say he said? I just trust the China's always doing the right thing. Please China get the league pass again in the videos that come out of. Wuhan being completely shut down. Those are all docker that we we tried. We tried to say some. Nice things about the Lakers. Lebron there took us about ninety seconds. Making it is. It is funny because I tried to one on the record I try. It's the exact opposite argument of like you know you. You get all these letters to the editor. And they're like. I took my seven children to go see Lebron. James played basketball saved up for five years to buy nosebleed tickets to be able to afford this and then he sat out for that load manage now. He's now he's not going to show up if the fans aren't there right. Yup Right okay. So speaking of Corona Virus Little Krona Virus Update It seems like it's not going away. That's what it looks like sure L. I still think it's I think it's a bitch I'm GonNa Chug I saw some people that were making their own hand sanitizer. Tito's vodka like Aloe Vera. Okay so I think you stay drunk. Then it's going to kill all the incoming virus and it won't be able to attach yourself. This is alcohol is an anti yeah antiviral. Absolutely that's absolutely the case. The SEC is staving off. I don't know if you saw the map all the teams in the SEC west. There's not been one corona virus so sec defenses absolutely back We also had Plano Buddy Paul Governor Cuomo said in an all time I never take the New York transportation system or any transportation system in the planet had this tip for people who are afraid of the corona virus says if a subway car buses crowded. Try to take the next one and avoid other densely packed places as New York. Tally hits one hundred five kronor fires. The next train is always better. Yeah neck strain you. Just wait and they'll be a next train that will not be as pact. That's how the trains work exactly. There's actually nothing more frustrating than being in a subway station and then you're forced to take the next train because it just keeps going stop. Yes you feel like what the hell what's going on over the the empty train. That's just oh speeds by and you're like what the fuck there I said this somewhat facetiously but thinking about it more. I if you had told me if you told me there's zero percent chance of ever get krona virus if you always go down to the train station and wait for the next train so no matter what happens you see a train. Wait for the next one. I'd probably just take the CORONA VIRUS. That seems like a that. Seems like a fate I would not wish upon my worst enemy taff to wait always in per in perpetuity for the next train. Yeah although it's like you're getting your practice rep in. You're doing like a visualization here. I walk on it. Yeah Yeah exactly. It's like you pick your spot. You're like okay. I know exactly what I'm going to do when it's the real deal when the next train pulls up. I I still think corona viruses little bitch. I'm kind of afraid of it but I still think is a bitch People are reporting that in in closed circles. You're not you're not saying it's a bit. No that will. Those are in private in private Kurds. No longer calling it a bit but I I have considered just intentionally getting this round corona virus because all I know about infectious disease from the movie outbreak. And so I know that it's going to mutate at some point and I want to get the first one that's easy one the easy one and then I'll have all the antibodies in my system right so if you have corona virus sliding DM's let's have a little CV party. Do you feel a little bit To blame for some of the hysteria. Absolutely yeah yeah totally. You've started hysteria in this office. Report one of our colleagues had chrome. No I said it was likely it turns out it was just float. It was a normal cat. Came up to be like. Hey just said the fluids like yeah. I know he definitely didn't have crucified. That was listened. Better safe than star true so I don't know you're better alert. Everyone and have everyone panic. The no-one panic and be ready for. I actually think that this office is one of the safest places in the city because we live with rats and mice. Yeah exactly we are immune to every mouth that Had babies because there's just been I've seen a bunch of baby mice cute. I know I saw one last Sunday so cute so cute kind of want. Maybe we should get like a terrarium or something. We should actually get a big mouse like playhouse and just pull out of food in there and then trap him. I would about a U-TURN on you turn on watch sparsely goal. Dot Com slash. Pmt and you see a bunch of mice running around in the fucking terrarium. I'm totally fine with mice. We can raise him. Yeah you gamble. On the mice mice are very cute rats whereas rats her gross rats are fucking disgusting. But Yeah I back to Cuomo I just love. This is a bigger picture thing. We're in we're in politics season because it's an election year. I just love any politician who tries to give advice in any way to normal people and they just tell on themselves. They haven't been a normal person in a very very long time. Just when you're at the supermarket Try to avoid crowds. Yeah Yeah Yeah when you're at the supermarket buying your fifteen dollars a gallon of milk. Yeah just don't touch anything when you're at the when you're at whole foods getting your extra extra extra virgin olive oil and your your your fulltime. Living Assistant is picking up. Make sure that they wash their hands before they bring it back to the house. Yeah when you're made comes back from the grocery store make sure that he or she takes an entire bio bath for entering the house. Listen when you're handing your check for thousand dollars to the escort service. Make sure that you wear plastic gloves. You're not spreading the disease. Oh think about that. Politicians probably have to wear condoms. This time around. God that sucks. That's why they're the real problem either. Declaring states of emergency everywhere. It's like this is no good. My Dick can't breathe. Oh Fuck when wish that on anyone all right. So let's WHO's back. Then we have coach k. Metcalf COMING UP Hank G would you like to start with your? Who's back sure? I got a couple of the first one go on the corona virus. Talk Masturbation is back. Oh yeah okay. Maybe hey report came back. That masturbation boost your immune system could raise your white blood cell. Count helping you fight off infections. Known this okay. So we're pound off to build up those antibodies fab. The no fat sub reds can have a real problem with that one Yeah big time my other. Whose back is coach killer. Kyrie uh-huh so Kenny Atkinson. Who was many people were saying? Was One of the better coaches last year. Took a young group like really brought them together. Got Them into the playoffs. He got fired yesterday. And people are saying it's Karen K. D. Okay. Well it's not because we're trying to get him on the pod so and also this is but I feel like Kyri in K. D. Have to be on the same page in some way shape or form right pages. Correa Kyrie so Kyri you think it is without a doubt curry was like this. Guy Stinks. Get Him Outta here. Yeah because last year there were such a tight knit group and they were like so much perform so much better than expectations. Who else like what? Where's the Like difference what. Your Hair Scott is paid changed from last year to this year's back that truck up. Yeah I feel like Kyrie. Change Seven head coach and nine NBA. Season so I don't know you only now that Hank you bring up a good point. He definitely evident nine new songs for and then He. He learned some new philosophy like theory every month and then tries to apply that at work and then he comes in and he's like hey coach we gotta let you go. I just finally Realize what Like the Aero Paradise is all about all right. So what you're saying. Is that the new coach for the nets. Whoever that may be needs to become an author and write a book on why you should never fire your coach. Yes exactly just slip it into Kyrie's locker room boom problem solve for at least a couple of months. Yes he needs to have Jordan like Matt Damon same coach and then Kyrie will read it and be like yeah this guy. This guy's right. Yeah the the Malcolm. Glad well theory on why coaches should never be fired. Yes Malcolm glad will explains why Joe Property is actually the best coach in the entire or were you saying the about. Would you say no? I'm saying he's like Matt Damon and could we'll hunting like he reads the book and then just use that to. Yeah Yes yes yes okay. So coach killing Carey is back. That was it was nice of the nets to announce it as mutually parting ways. Because of course you mutually part ways in totally random. Coaching decision. With a month and a half left in the season mutually mutually. They mutually decided. And I think that's still. I believe they're still in it. I don't know about right the second or trying to some of that hockey magic coach mid season the beat the Bulls today. The Nets had twenty eight turnovers cheese and they beat the balls. That's actually. That's that's impressive. People are saying the bullshit get Kenny. Atkinson Scher Jim. Boylan I duNNo. He's still building something. He's building something. I don't know what it is. But he's building something Pfc WHO's your WHO's back. My who's back seven right now. You know they jumped up. My whose back is women. So it is International Women's Day if you're interested international men's days on November Nineteenth. I believe and that interested different than steak and blow job very different. Okay interesting that they made National Woman's Day on the twenty three hours a day. Y'All hey okay. Someone tweeted this. Stealing the patriarch is always always be stealing and so that you know the brands and the corporations are getting you know we talked about. Shell is now she'll now oil's down so you have to wonder. Is there a link between that did did show get to woke and take their eye off the bottom line of their business now? Oil futures are down thirty percents. Yup many people are saying and then you an oil today oils. Huge oil. It would we got. What are you telling telling percent? Aren't you telling us about oil? Brought up oil three hundred well no not with Saudi Arabia. Because they're very good now. What I'm trying to get at is I'm getting paid by. Nbs got it He's like the Mike Bloomberg in the Middle East and so he's paying me to say that Saudi Arabia's good night's either who's back the week is USA rugby. They beat Fiji Great. Yeah so I didn't issues Fiji finished first place in the world last year. And what have we been achieved today? Elimination round so we lost so surplus. We're playing for fifth but but we beat the man. We beat former number one team in the world got us that technically means that we're kind of disaster. They likes load management situation for them. Okay my next week is on. Espn plus fucking Shit. Yeah so I don't know if you guys bought the May fight on a Saturday night. Dean juice check. That was a great fight. Her head looked like it exploded. A manning child made with Mars attacks made with me taking a picture of her head on my TV. Did look like Joe Buck Picture. But that's what her forehead looked like. Just in the natural environment of it was. It was awesome fight though and then the final fight sucked and I told everybody by. That's that's my bad. That's on me like style bender but espn plus was absolutely atrocious. It kept bleaching out every five seconds was all the conference game all the random conference games yet to watch on there. They put West Virginia. Baylor on there. That's awful. Yeah as bad planning so. I don't know you can get. Can I get a refund for that? It was very bad especially considering paid like seventy nine dollars. I can't imagine working for a company that had any technical issues on pay per views. Never not to happen all right. My whose back is we looted to it. But the badgers. They're all the way back number one in the big ten tournament. They won the share of the big ten share so equal parts and then there are the number one seed so they got all the tiebreaker so who they split it with fifty fifty we know Michigan Satan Maryland but I leave. I'm being nice to Maryland because I know Scott. Van Pelt gets very upset when you say anything bad about Maryland and he likes to point out that Marilyn or Wisconsin had to play twice therefore helping their schedule and just completely ignoring the fact that Maryland played northwestern twice. But that's neither here nor there Wisconsin. Back I actually SA- I think two weeks ago sniffing around it I. I'm fully believing in this team so I fully believe in this. I can't believe in them. So here's what here's the game plan. We are now that I fully believe we are going to probably lose on Friday. Which is the first first game for them in the big ten turn. You'd probably rather lose that right right right exactly. So we're GONNA lose so that then gives me a little pause and then I'm like but you know what now arrested focused. Everything's in front of us. They I WANNA say they're going to the sweet sixteen but I also could see. Just a heartbreaking second round loss. I don't know either way all the way in I could see final four all the way I mean I took a future hundred one. No big deal basically. You're going to retire. If they win the National Championship. I watch well. I'll be honest with a cat so good chance do this. Here's Wisconsin team. You were saying in the past that that team that that made it so far. That lost Duke That was the one chance that Wisconsin Herat's this year it's so wide open there. No great teams. Kansas is pretty great beside so Kansas. But yeah they've gotten zag but they've never been no final four right so you don't know. They're not battle-tested Wisconsin. This could be a year in. If it's GONNA be a year it would be like this and there's no dominant. Hey Pf T. I know you love these story lines. You ready for one Joe Borough won a National Championship College National Championship. Where did he go to college before he went to? Lsu Ohio State Mike Potter badgers very good player. Where did he go to college before he went to the National Championship? Which is where Wisconsin will end up. Lsu NOPE Ohio State Duke who know how State Yeah State so little. Start drawing some lines. Okay Pinson's plane out of his mind hasn't hit anybody in the Dick and like a week. We one on Saturday against Indiana in Indiana. And they weren't even calling charges for Brad Davison. That's when you know Wisconsin's got it rolling. there were two or three times where they blatantly didn't give buzz. Cut Brad the charge that he should always. He has a birthright for that charge. Right Lebron beating you. He's not hitting his mid-range Jumpers are steph curry not beating you when his wife is making weird cooking videos when they're going to games when he's holding her in a a winery with a half Chubb. That was a great picture wasn't as hot picture but either way people. I know that people get mad whenever the badgers do well as people were coming at me on Saturday after they won't share the big ten title. I gotta say it again. A share the big ten title. Don't worry you'll have your chance to sit down my throat and watch my dead body on livestream at some point in March so just hold on tight. It always happens right. Hank it always happens. It's looking like this year. Could be an elite eight or final four four should. I just wanted to be in the east so that we can watch them at Madison Square Garden Okay let's get to our interviews coach for able and then we have decay metcalf for do that. Outback outback is now available through door. Dash that means juicy stakes a big fried blooming onion and other favorites can now be delivered anywhere like literally anywhere. This is perfect for March madness. Outback is now available through door dash. That's right. Great Steakhouse Flavor. Without having to put on pants you love it. 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Next time you're hungry log onto door dash out back door dash outback now smash that order button and get straight stakes now on Jordache with outback. Okay here he is. Coach Migrate Mu. Okay we now welcome on recurring guests and very good friend of the program. It is coach. I call him coach. It's like Ray Braves. He gets mad when I call them. Chorus like manning is like congrats man. What a career unbelievable phenomenal. He's like thank you coach and I'm like Eli. They cut the bullshit I can. We just go with raves. He goes yes sir. Utilize story are you. Are You mad at? Eli At all about the Super Bowl. No I mean. That's that's sports team got better. You know. That's that's a great example of a team. That was a wild card. That played his very tight. End The year last game And they improved to their credit. They were playing football at the end of the year. That's a it's a great message to not only my team but a lot of people see famer and I don't. I don't vote for hall of fame but I mean I try not to focus on hall of fame and this and that he the guy played really well in big games. Okay so he is or isn't I? They played very well in big games. So yes if you guys got the vote. Would you vote? Illicit was not the whole very good and he was very go. Hide behind those. You want me to go. Rod Dog. Don't do wall blow braves all right. You're committed to the game by the one I'm issue. That's it so you wish talking about the giants. Your team obviously didn't always super bowl but there was a little bit of that like peaking at the right time last year. Are you were you after the season over? Could you have a moment where you're like man? That was really good like we was and I tried to tell our team that I think they were frustrated and everybody was disappointed that we weren't going to be able to play for a championship but I was proud of the way that they continue to improve from where we were the early part of the season and we did we were planning our best football late But I think they also realize that and everybody did that. That's a tough road to go down. Four Straight Road Playoff Games as essentially what we did was Houston New England Baltimore Kansas City. And that's not the way that's not the recipe to to win a championship. We're going to play well enough during the season to be able to host some of those games. Yeah so during the of that playoff. Run you guys play against new. England does a great game before the game. You played was catch me if you can get clipped as a motivational so always enjoy that movie What Frank Abergnail Junior? And the dad you know is in debt. And he needs to get alone. He pulls his son up in his Cadillac. And during these nice suits and young. Frank doesn't understand what they're doing. His Dad's like we're going to act like we have money in the bank manager is. GonNa walk out here. And he's going to open the door for us and frank still figuring all this out and then he says you know why the Yankees always win. He said because they have Mickey Mantle. He Says No. Because everybody's always staring at the pinstripes and I kinda like it just a nice message to be like. There's going to be when we get there and we got on the field. There's going to be six banners. Say World Champion. Boom boom boom. Like that's not gonNA determine. The game was my only point was like let's not step the banners and worry about what they've done we we gotta go try to compete with them hoosiers measuring the hoop no same difference. Ten feet thing Ali getting on ten feet. All-time moment go call my dad. Yeah Dry right up. You probably knew all the tricks that bell check was going to pull out like putting the The giant thermometers in the hallways. Let you know that. It's actually like ten degrees colder than you think. It is just keeping everybody updated on the weather report. Yeah all right. So let's talk about the tricks when you guys when you basically became a time traveller in that game. How long had you known that? That loophole was there for a while. It's just unfortunate that we were never in a situation to use it. You have to be ahead in the fourth quarter right in that situation with the clock running outside of five minutes in whatever the League chooses to do we're going to play by the rules that they give us and and that was available to us. We're you when you like saw the situation and I click like oh here we go like. I'm about to time travel. Well I think you try to you know. I think what you try to do is try to anticipate what the situations in the game can be. You are excited. Don't be coachspeak. We'll know I'm just trying to spur moment. It's like okay depending on what happens here. Like are we gonna go for it you hit and then we had a penalty so it was like extorted Rainbow Road Shortcut. You just jumped past like you know half the track right it was. It's it's something that we felt like. It helped us win the game. As coach speak is I could possibly be. Whoever was on the sideline we would've executed that situation in that moment though as it was happening as your time traveling. We're you trying hard not to smile. Because he knew how cool it was no. I think that I've realized I've gotten good at being able to vomit puke in my mouth about showing when bad things happen so I try to do the same thing when good things happen is just try to stay. Keep my composure. Okay so after the game after that game you had some fun with Tom. Brady's Hyenas Video Do you think that's going to hurt your recruitment of him? I thought that was actually a great complement to our football team. Nice because that's who I think we WANNA be is. Is these animals that that hunt and travel in packs are competitive vicious? And I think that's how we Tried to approach our game preparation. Okay so and then afterwards in the in the hallway. You and Tom shared a moment. I read that and then afterwards so I think you were asked. And you're like we're gonNA keep that between so now that you're here with his family. I'm there with my family and the kids and the same thing. We think we talked about the the game knows about kids. There's Tho- those conversations haven't come up relationship with a lot of guys that still play because very few tomatoes grown locally is time he we have whole foods whole foods in Nashville. Okay well I got loud music for you. I don't WanNa get you into one of these tampering situation because I know the league. They monitor this stuff. They pay attention getting me into anything ever. Look question. Here's the thing. Hank legally changed his name to Tom Brady yesterday. So if you recruit Tom Brady to come play for you. What would you say to Tom? What's Hank did? He just moves the camera back and forth a little bit Tom. Tom Tom Brady his. Name's Tom Brace. If you're on social media team for the Titan. Tom Brady wants to work for you. What would you say to Tom? We have twitter nate I. Yeah he's been a longtime fan. We've talked to him. He was with the rams and now the The with you guys so talk them pitched pitch Tom Brady over there. I haven't fold what he does. I mean I mike. My new guy is Is Dana Right? You're getting are they really doing it? I'm going to be bridesmaid. I think so. I'd have to carry like do some be not sure or something that room and welcome now. So what are you doing on Saturday? At Denny's he's in Las Vegas this Saturday. I'll be at the combine. Oh Shit like what? Are you actually combine? Because we're we're I love the interviews. I love being able to sit down. I try to pretend like I'm you guys and just grill people and grow players and just misdirection. And what's what's the GO-TO interview question. Change don't like write it down. I don't write the questions down on a notepad down there either way Whatever they say I try to follow up. I have don't defend what you have racial Derrick Henry They're really getting Derek. Heather gay marriage made in heaven literally added Denny's Denny's look like they're in love and they're having fun definitely fun question though. Give us one just one. Maybe one that you use to use you. Don't use anymore. We walk in. We're in our sweats. Hey coach I don't look in the. I WANNA give you handshake Red Flowers. Your hood down. You know I mean contact right. Sit Up and it's just. They got to try to find a way to get us to to want to go and watch more tape and sometimes are they engaging You know one player Said said what's a Best part of your game and he goes as the next time you say word. Aggressiveness saved a little louder than that was. That was actually a differentiating trick. Though whispering than the person has to say what the Beta no it was like are you. Yeah I never really understood that because it's supposed to make you and control the situation if they have to lean in to hear your whisper their voice to come to. You should speak with your. I think the end I liked seeing the players in Iraq. I like seeing how they operate when at a group You know they travel everywhere for four five days and I always ask them like. What's what's the guy in front. Wha- what's his name? I don't know if you've been with them for three days. He's been right in front of you and every line you've gone to and you don't know his name like we're kind of teammate. Who was the guy behind you? What's his name right? That's a good one. How many how many light posts are there in New York City Manhattan Island Manhattan Light Post? Yeah there's no one thousand nine thousand okay. That's actually that's a good guess. I exactly how much do you look at hand size? Never kicker no fit size for those soccer shoes if it gets over fourteen. They don't make them. They don't make them that big of a foot. They won't be able to wear the soccer cleats you had. This is a conversation. 'cause you'd never draft a kicker because you hate kickers. Your kicker didn't attempt to feel goal for like no. That's why we just did red zone all week. We just practiced red zone so that we would just go down there and we knew we were going to be able to score. Ever have to kick right. That's revolutionary was that actually part of your thoughts are actually been you know we're going to try to adopt a proposal for the XFL. We're just GONNA do the the two that I liked and put it on the three where you'll be like no other ten you can put you can take it. Though we're going to broaden cody parkey. Did you have a moment where you're like? So what happened there? No just Try to evaluate what his confidence level was and he did a nice job for us and you know we did. We went through some turbulent waters with with the kicking game and You know it's something that that will have to certainly improve on. You need An extra camp leg. Yeah we are. We were looking for You know I don't know if you saw the film. I did it identify apologize. I've heard about it but I think sometimes with those glasses. I think it can throw off. They're not polarized or that sports lands kick glasses. I'll get the visor going. Yeah it'll work. It'll work if you need can't blake. I'm deadly accurate from thirty five yards. Just I'm serious. If you need me come out there for you. What was your sports background? So I played rugby. I played a little bit of football played. Soccer Baseball and rugby was college high school. I played rugby and college and then for about ten years in jail for the new team with evidence. I can remember the owner. He's GonNa try so they would have these clubs and they basically would have tournaments for reasons to bring like forty kegs to the fields and they would just I mean they would come from all over the place and come to Columbus not a Frat Efrat not a Frat but it was a rugby Just come and they would beat the shit out of each other for two days and then just chugged beers and hug each other. After the game sports are big trophy in college was the Golden Keg is actually keg that we in spray painted golden so again. Not a friend of Frank. Capra's how jober borough was there. No Joey was I was gone. I was in Houston. Will you got to do a press conference like I never would have let him out the door you I mean that's how it goes. I mean the guy in front of me drafted sixteenth or whatever. Yeah but it's going pretty good when the backup said at your school or you know national champions at other places. State thing How would you go about tackling derrick? Henry question probably gang. Tackle would probably be the best way that I would hope for right. And I'm going to rephrase that you and Derrick Henry one on one logo higher than the kneecaps. Could you hit them? Could you take him down right now? If he wasn't like looking at me I could look kids deer and that just didn't get hurt in a in a practice drill this year hurt. Yeah no not injured hurt no you. Didn't I thought you had a practice drill? And you've got a little banged up. Oh I might have cut my hand punching at the ball. I hit his face mask. No that's beget. You want to ask him about his penis or should I you do it so do you still have your penis. I do last time. I checked before I came. I use the restroom after the interview. Okay so what was that about so first of all. Why was that? Because I didn't want to go on the podcast. I didn't want to have Taylor. And will basically own me on their podcast. I wanted to go on there. I wanted and they were having so much fun. Doing this thing the buses cool and went on and just didn't WanNa sit on there and just be boring. I just was like whatever. I'll answer all their questions and Taylor was laughing. Taylor's in a good mood than that. I'm in a good mood so it just Kinda came to. That is a little offered that you're a bigger fan of pardon my take than bustling with the boys You guys are original. You know what I mean. You guys are kind of like the. Oh Jeez so. I think that There there they would have the bus here they. They actually have driven the bus or ship the bus to accept when they do they do. I'm like well. This is a great deal man. You got to get an investor. You know no matter how bad this thing does. You're always gonNA write money being thrown at. She'll the answer is it is a little awkward because you obviously love us more than you love your own player. No no I just think that these guys eventually. They'll they'll they'll surpass you guys. You guys get lazy guys and be tired. You're stuck aware motivated patchy guy. That's that's the funniest thing he said on this show that is so. That's the story that you came in to tell them this show to make us laugh. What about your Pinky? Let's do your pinky next year. Let's do it right now. If you if you win the Super Bowl you cut off the tip your pinky which which which crooked wanted you look at that? See that's inter- you're right handed. I'm guessing right. How'd you know okay? Just because you're not a free guest. Not as sort of not a witch gnarly fingers. How about yeah the Left One? You're left Pinkie is all fucked up anyway. Just the tip just to see how it feels. Just start out. You're on my hair. Yeah just from the nail down the top of the nail down on the lesson. You got that. That's easy at your right now. That one that's the one I want to be. I'll even make like a little finger guillotine for you you know. They measure when they measure the hand size. They'll be like right Pinky de formation and they announced that really the Big Tan. Han Ten left hand. Pinky this formation nine and seven eighths. Wow that's Kinda cool. Yeah so visual. Do you think the insider info. Yeah that is you think they should actually measure tip of the thumb to like tip of the Middle Finger. Like I don't even know where they measure. I have no idea I just try to watch the tape. Does it matter at all because we were having this debate that it gets overblown by media but at the end of the day. I would imagine if you're sitting there evaluating guy you'd prefer them to have his always GonNa rain. The tape is always GonNa win out and then there's a lot of things that go into it okay. What about the mustache? Why did you shave the mustaches? Yeah 'cause you I just felt like it was time I just jen hated it. You know it just. It really looked br. It was brutal after a while as somebody. That can't grow money Fisher. I just you. You need to shave. Oh you looked awesome now. It was cool magnum. Pi Do you think you're a little bit of a Harto for doing all these Pre-game workouts no come with the camera. And make sure you get planking. Are you know that's not not true? It was no big deal for the last six five years that I actually worked out before the game when I ran on the field or did pushups on silence then all of a sudden. I don't run because my Achilles is going to blow out the back of my leg so we do this ridiculous workout just to do something and it gets blown out of proportion guy wants to try to outflank me and do all this other stuff. I was just working out before. Xfl You you thought that the camera is weren't on you and NFL GAME. You haven't seen xfl so no. The problem is is like we're going to have to do like good form. The the camera would be like right here. And I'm like this is ridiculous. Can you guys a digital game? Did you actually ask the cameras to go somewhere else? Yeah you get a different filter on their. Yeah you get it from the top so skinny I want. Everyone learns guys skinny elbows. Yeah so where do you love it? You love that attention. You guys are in front of a camera your entire life. I would think that you love it a little bit. You are football guy through and through. I know that you're actually just doing it because you do it. If there were cameras there if there was no one there harden lot right it feels. It feels good sweat sometimes before a game like I have done it the entire coaching career. Ohio State Houston Tennessee. Did urban ever come over. And just like kick your hand out like Dollar man like sorry he seems like that kind of villain. No I learned. I learned a lot. I learned a lot from urban. I did I learned a lot in the time that I was at Ohio state. You think he's GonNa Coach again. I don't think so. I think he's enjoyed his family. I think he enjoys the TV but he loves coaching though sure. He's very successful at what he does. He does He. I don't know it feels like the first year that he was on. Tv He being on TV. He wanted. Yeah I did. It felt like he was on this year. Yeah but you. He's GonNa Coach because this thing have to move if I move whatever you want. You're the boss you're coach. You are coach. What was what was it about. Still Rapes in the middle of the season. You're like you know what the answer to all my problems is Ryan Tannehill You know there was the we all needed to play better. We need a coach better and play better And it was a move that I thought was best for the team. And in the best interest in Ryan took advantage of his opportunity. It was crazy when you guys were such a big story. I feel like of the season. And how you've finished the season. I went in the playoffs do you. Are you worried at all? Though in the off season we're talking about this at the beginning having that momentum. Carryover IT WON'T I. I don't think confident and with this was no. This was the same message that I gave our team. That the confidence that we play with and practice with carryover but the momentum has to build throughout the week you have to have a good practice on. Wednesday Thursday Friday. Tighten things up. And it's got you know. I mean the momentum during football games you can't just say Oh we're just going to start off hot. It will have a fast start. And if we don't have a fast start then you know then we just can't everything but the confidence that you play with like you know what? I'm trying to relate something athletically that you may or may not have done this. Maybe maybe when you're ripping hotdogs right yeah good point and I'm like the first run was like okay. I was coming out with cuts. Yeah make those cuts and the the hot dogs are going down easy. You're building confidence in momentum and the next time you do it you got to build that same momentum on Okay I understand it and I said during the week do you have? I know because Dentin. Lsu they do like tell the truth. Monday no repeat Tuesday. Yeah turnover wins. They'd have like different Wednesday Thursday Friday. Ooh That's how Saturday without just Kinda was you know when you play on Thursday. You back up the schedule so Monday night football you know. Thursday's a Wednesday Fridays at Thursday Saturdays Wednesday. You always try to set your. You just blew my mind on Monday Wednesdays or for the boys. Yeah you which they are for the voice. Now that you've confused us all it would always be Saturdays. She got play more games on Saturdays. One we play noon Sunday. Yeah that's true. It's weird that it's noon for you. It's great yeah I think. Central Central Time is the best time no question last question. 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I didn't tag anybody. It was started by the person who runs the Barstool instagram account. They showed me demonstrating the proper. Get off technique in forty are dash. I actually went back and watch some film and you end the forty. You're like point zero zero four yards. Split was not great like the start. I feel like you could have done better on and so I was demonstrating that good. Starting technique to Stephen Shea works in officer and they tag and they said I think PFC could be decay in a race. I had no part in that tagging but then you responded and when I got brought into I had I had to finish. It responded with this. You know you can say that when you know you you're GONNA lose right. You're not losing anything okay. So what was your time? We all know your three cone. Drill was terrible. Like the worst of all time What was your forty time though I think my forty dollars I mean. Just look it up in the arguments. Find you in the record book coming in as like like going to do. But you're pushing me towards. Pfc here you got. Hey what do you want to do? You just forty my three calls like what who's objectively like the worse thirty cone video. No I did not get hurt three times. Why did you change something? Like the longest cuts. Your judgement is not good with three times. I came off You know a great performance at the so. I was trying to three four three three. That's good and would you say your your vertical leap was fourteen inches. Forty and a half of forty. I always get that confused if you say fourteen okay. That's pretty high for mine is twenty five and half. We'll know US before I've talked to smaller anywhere ten nine. I don't have a ping pong ball at one point back in high school. No one saw no one saw it just me but I feel like a twenty five and a half inch vertical leap from me. Proportionally is better than a forty inch. Vertical leap from you. Because you're already so talk proportionately what what do you mean? It's like a like a mini bridge. That one now that one how one felt like it was a little bit of body shaming. Yeah we don't do in two thousand twenty you're ripped you got APPs. Pfc It's winter. Season could get ripped if he wanted to but he doesn't want drake light sixty degrees now. He doesn't want to. He doesn't WANNA show people up so they would actually be a bad. Look for me if I if I was jacked up. It's like you can't have it all you know. He got this really attractive. Dude has enormous Cecil podcast from a weight land and he's able to finish three hundred fifty pounds. It's not fair somebody's lot it's kind of like your skill. Set your super fast. You're super athletic. You can't actually like run in different directions besides straight ahead. If you could do it all that would be unfair. That's kind of what he can do everything not very well so I can't do anything elite so it's kind of like the perfect of all trades master. Nuns your pot of Gumbo right. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA run. That's pretty Komo's delicious trump at all. Koto everywhere. That's coach. Oh actually try to recruit you know. Young Oh he was he was the OC DC lsu coming out. Yeah so that would have been weird if he tried to. Recruit you for like defensive line is like a twelve year olds. That would have been funny though. Were you recruited to only play wide receiver? Coach that try to get you switch of be like a linebacker knows others who. I wasn't always become uh school. Yeah I was like six six one one eighty five. Did you have one of those moments? I always find it curious with pro athletes like one day. You just woke up. And you're like hey now. I'm five inches taller a lot bigger stronger. After I broke my foot in College I was in the gym twice a day so I grew massively. I broke my fatter every time. Why is that why you mix if I have a Jones fracture in my left for my plan foot zones for it's tough it's like one of the hardest injuries come back every morning? I wake up. I'm like maybe this is the day I woke up and I'm just a little taller a little bit more in shape but you still waco you still wake up bill like the. Yeah but it hasn't happened yet but knows but in the late you don't you don't you think it's too late now. We give up absolutely science way. Science works these days. You never know what can it may be too late. Okay so just some highlights from the back and forth that you and I had 'cause you had some good lines the mini fridge line. I admit that was good although I feel like a mini fridge. That's a pretty cool thing to look like. Who doesn't like many fridges? Look at that many right there. That's a cute mini job. Yeah it's very cute. I mean just like they are though it's orbs though is like they're all right so you said it's easy to say that you can beat me when you know that you're slow. You said that to me I said. Ask A girl how slow I am then. I'd say when I say what I say when you saw the Unicorn Trash Talk Emoji. Were you like man this guy? He's he means business. No I don't look at emojis. Okay scary tactics. She said you slow and you fit. The stereotype was I don't understand. I don't know the record to their young children in this room right now. It's a little weird but yeah that's okay acceptably fast. Yeah that belief First one last one to leave type guy the first one and the first one to lean if you know what I mean all right and I said that's that's not the only thing that she says that fit so some were to get I don't make me out of three contractor this. I've been on the TB twelve method. I told you that one And then after that and then after that you said hang on screen scrolling passing. I'm not actually scrolling. Is His memory is a little blurb on. I'm getting to a diene me and was like hey like I. No you know we're we're to competitors you know. None of us are going to quit the truth. I was also in your the I. I told her I off the record. I was because I knew you weren't gonNA stop. I wasn't going to stop doing these interviews talking Shit with competitive out. Why truth them? By what. Make the other person. My phone's run out of batteries. And then you said Dan you screen-grabbed charge a quick. Then you screen-grabbed that and you put that out there so I was like okay. Let's say I'm trying to call for a truce? I think. Colfer true sounds uncalled for truth and then I said he does get realize yeah so then he replied with FOB IOS homeless cousin which you don't understand is a huge compliment to me is probably the hottest person to ever live right male or female version. I know that's he's got the same genes. Yeah homeless cousins. Like you look a lot like you. That's good no. Yeah No. That's good that was you kind of screwed yourself on that one. What else finish. Basically it just it devolved into me saying that. You can't turn that you like. Mike said West Coast Mike Wallace thank. That wasn't a good one. We ought Mike Wallace he can. He ran nine route. That was it I mean but he was successful in the League are you. Do you actually practice other routes? Have they gotten that party? Playbook for you Watch on the film. I I do run curls. You do yeah okay. You put your blinker on when you're trying to about curl what's your favorite nongo route to run combat straight line. That's weird because you weren't very good at them on the instagram battle there. Yeah Yeah here you go gotcha. Oh now I sound so that's fine. I want corona virus communities. This is GONNA end up being a beef. Yes Seattle Jews come see. I don't know I haven't been Seattle since the off season started traveling around us. That second round you guys lost in the second round me because I wanted you to beat the packers Okay so I think you're just never gonNA fully get along but have a mutual respect. Oh yeah the trash. Talking Game is fair to say athlete. You're pretty good trash-talker. Yeah for an athlete for an athlete. And if we're going off your three cone drill I don't know if we can even say athlete dime just being. I'm stating facts. Right in like Fairfax I WANNA. I WanNa hear is talking. You'RE GONNA be new to you. Said Yeah that part that if we watch your actually creates listen. I know you can't hurt something that I know and say openly so I actually just ate ice cream no more than an hour ago so you are an athlete scoop for the most. I. I don't know probably about three. Four bowl is useless. Four three four three four the air force or for it which means five if you actually go buy real map. Okay so I found. I found the actual blood. That's got the rest of it. So here's more highlights. Okay you said what's more embarrassing not making the XFL are being named. You brought my dead brother into it. That's one I replied with. It's only freaked up so I said kids here if only I kicked it straight as you run. So Br brought it back to that whole turning survivors. Homeless cousin wants to call a truce. And that's when you posted this screen. Grab truce's hurt you. It's called his true screengrabs. Whatever being the first call a truce definitely takes points away from you so I said I would like to propose a truce as you. Neither one of us will back down to all creditors competing on twitter. That's bad I think you said probably the same thing. No Dude on twitter. He was like Medicare going back and forth. We'll see a law. He can laugh at the truce and then I was like we'll see how long you can last pops like I'm going to need some biogra- I yeah I do they pop so that makes kind of like a sign of call ups. That's right then we got into a Gif off you posted a gift of yourself or do you call Jeff. I don't know I don't know what it's called and then I hit you back with a gift of myself and he said no free. Add Sindbad some supplements and so You said Ness quicksand. Dad Bod`ed some supplements again talking about Dad. Bod that I talked about the packers and how they beat you know to me or is it okay to say. Don't make me bring up the three cone drill again Yeah and then you said it. Taliban. What's Your Secondary Football League. I said if I cared about the underwear Olympics that have nothing to do with the real game. I would just watch your combine tape boom. That was good those crying faces. And you're like let's see that vert cry face Emoji Crash Emoji and then you kind of backed out now at the end. You know that you like you're the one that pretty much tapped out. You said you are welcome. We should do this again sometime. Pleased and we're doing against him. You left some stuff out because our. Here's here's my point. Okay what would it was it was? It was between me and you trash talking. Then you WANNA bring my quarterback in my secondary. You're running out of stuff to talk about. That's true identity. Not Turning a quick. Does it yeah I mean I could? I like to compare it to an aircraft carrier so I could get go your powerful and you go straight and then you you turn by degrees of like one percent. Tell everyone they're like hey tomorrow. We'RE GONNA turn. And then they stay. Turn the aircraft carriers. There's another little tiny joke and they start cranking the buttons and those in this forty yard dash for race that we're doing or am I allowed to have a curve in the track or a corner to go around there curve in the regular forty or yeah. There's a lot to the neutral arbiter. We've got some sort of a shuttle run. Yeah that's whatever you want right. I mean I'm fascinated. I know I'M GONNA be too so like okay. Well you can go see. Let's let's see. Let's go find out all right so we decay just got back in from a race a beach you buy. What six hundred seventy dollars? When you when the evidence comes out then I'll let you saw you know. Yeah Big Cat as a neutral party. What did you see happen out there? I mean you technically one yeah who? Pf did he won. How did he? I'm I'm now the I am now the third wheel in a budding love relationship. That's going on between the two of you so I'm just GonNa let you guys hash it out clearly enjoying each other's company a lot running up and down hallways and most important part is big catcher said technically. Pf T. One segment. He did he. He said Racer going then he beat you down. The Hallway was talking to me. Like tell me are. We're going to go around and see that part. All I know is that there's no. Footballs chess match. When you up against a good cornerback you're gonNA against Jalen Ramsey. And he's like Hey I'm GonNa do press coverage on you right now and then he doesn't like hey. He cheated because he lied to me about what he was going to do. Are you like he? Beat me are playing football. Are we racing? We're raise don't don't don't know mixed sports. Were here Bro. Race and I pulled my hamstring and so probably never be able to race ever again. I would love to do it again. I would love to know all right when when you've had it or gets this. Don't don't cut anything else. He's sitting right there hank boy. Yeah don't cut anything up. I'm telling you I would love to do it again. I wish I could do it right now. I'M GONNA cut anything I liked again but unfortunately my hamstring is clear off the bone. I'm not worrying. You gotta Bro Okay. Well thank you for coming in. Thank you for losing to. Pfc In that race. Better luck. Next time I don't know how to end this kind of awkward free like better luck next time right. I mean you guys are clearly best friends now so enjoy that. At least you have that. What's weird is now. I am going to be rooting like really hard for you because I if you win a Super Bowl Mike. I beat that rate. Yes crazy I could be doing that. You guys came as enemies and leftist friends. That's kind of how it goes right. 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Yeah we'll put it out on our twitter account later on today Fucking roasted him rose poke. He probably GonNa Retire. If I had to. Guess Yeah I hope I got a call from Pete Carroll to try out tomorrow or lease shirtless to or at least to be his like you know use that you can get him back into the right mindset to play football. I'll be turning coach. Yes yes just figure it out you say decay left right. I'm just going to walk in front of him in occasionally. What's what's your twice a day. I'll just drop a cone. One of the circular cones in front of him and he just has to avoid the comb or just cross him up and see if he can can actually like get around. You probably not no probably not All right shoe roast for the La Rams New logo leak logo which seems to be correct. It is it first of all. I thought it was the chargers logo. It looks like it's got to see it. Looks like it's gotTa see it's a. It's a ram shell shaped in the see. It looks like the chargers which I'd have to imagine if you had like a list if you're sitting in the RAMS PR room and you're designed this new logo at the top in like bold letters. It should say. Please make sure. There is no ambiguity with the chargers to two things. One don't include the chargers to if we could avoid using the word Saint Louis Rankin action with right. Those are really the only two steps. Yeah that's it didn't do one. It makes me think that maybe it's a combination hat like it's like the La Football Movement. I liked that. So it's football out here. It's like a a drake mets or the Carmelo. Anthony wears the the mets Yankees hat. Yeah exactly right. Who Doesn't do that? It's a hat specifically as he decides which. Nfl team to become a fan of Rob Lowe. Roblo FOR ANY TEAM. That's in the championship a time. Like a spiral type thing on it. It's just very weird. It's weird in the rams. Have a good logo. So I don't know why they're changing it. 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That's cannot get corona VI- they don't have symptoms of Corona virus carriers but they cannot have corona virus dogs hogs Rex Chapman watches person. Die Than Dogs Bra Tibo update. He's been sent out. That's fine he'll be back to for thirteen. This who are going to Aa now I. They might even just make up a fake team for him to go play on to be like. Hey this guy still doing this. Okay if I'm Tibo. I hold out at this point. Because the mets are so incompetent that they don't even know what they haven't him some may say that the mets like continually cutting. Tim Tebow and putting them down in the minor league is the only good roster move. They make well. That's what I'm saying so like Tim. Tebow makes them feel smart every year. They're like okay. We're we know what we're doing with baseball. We see this guy slash line is like one eighty three to three twelve or whatever so we know. Okay that guy's bats we're GONNA get rid of him good job us. Yes we know how to scout any competent team would see tim. Tebow and see the valium not for his talent at baseball but just for his overall. Tim T bonus we're having him on. Your team is a good luck charm. He's like a walking breathing. Circumcising Rally Monkey. That's true. He is the ultimate mascot for a team. Any baseball any any competent major league baseball team would know that they need to bring him. Tibo into their clubhouse for their major league squad sad. It's very very sad. So Tim Tebow maybe next. Spring Hope Springs Eternal. Let's nicer them to cut them this early. It's like when you watch hard knocks. And they usually cut the pretty good veteran early. Because they're like we want to give you enough time to find the other team. Yeah we'll tell everyone when they call the you are not terrible. I think T-boz put enough on film where he should be getting calls. He shoes run tied when he tripped over his on field. You know what the SEC network will probably call him. It'd be like. Hey Tim it's fall again. Are you done with that okay? Cool you're back. Do you think he actually rides. The bus de- maybe he probably does just because he wants to say that he did. Yeah with my guys I was just one of the fellows or he takes a hotel. Air Takes a flight to the hotel and then takes the bus with the fellows from the hotel to the park road. The bus again. Yeah it was tough. It was a lot of traffic tone. Just feel bad because I I want to see Tim. Tebow in a major league baseball game. That's I think we dress this but the astros should absolutely signed Tim. Tebow to just get hit by pitches. Yeah and no. No one would want to hit Tim. Tebow like I think we would still want. Do you think they'd be meaning? The Jersey. Not The people anticipates a good way to look at it. They're going to be beating. Everyone is actually doozy Carlos. Correa JUST GET COSTA. Got Buckled. By a not great curveball. Because he thought it was coming at them that's going to be in their head all season long. It's going to be awesome So excited it's in a sneaky way rob Manfred. I'm going to actually come all the way around and say you did a good job because you kept the story alive and made people want to watch the Astros for the rest of the year. Even if they're not astros fans I know it's GonNa be great like it. Turns out that every single pitch looks like a bean ball. When you're a world class asshole yeah slash. You don't know what's coming yeah. Yeah that's that's the key part of the part that they don't you. Don't hear the yeah. It's a little tough when he speeds coming All right last. I have an idea you guys ready for. This idea. Were GonNA be Millionaires alluded to it? At the beginning. I have an idea. It dawned on me when I was walking on the street. I think on Thursday or Friday and a guy walk by me and he had a shirt on that said karate black belt and I was like fuck man that guy respect He could've totally made it up. Hold on. I don't think it's stolen valor if you do. So you can't obviously steel valor when it comes to the military. You don't WanNa do that. Well you don't want to be a police officer. Firefighter that's stolen valor. Because those people are putting their lives on the line. It's also you don't want to be in a situation where it's like. Is anyone here a police officer and I am occurred. Obser- fuck at stolen valor. But when it comes to hobbies. Can you really still valor of a hobby? So my idea is and this is actually where it's not even stolen Vour. We're going to start. Pmt Karate and the shirt and how about PMT powerlifting and PMT. I don't know whatever name anything that is like a cool hobby. Pmt ROCK CLIMB. You could say like PMT. Powerlifting regional recordholder rights on your shirt. And no one's ever GonNA question like what regional record? Do you think that we could sell these? Pmt BLACK PMT karate black belt like you you got you according to us we are the heads of PMT karate. You listening right now. You have a black belt. Yeah so you are not stealing valor. You could wear that shirt and you probably won't unless you get into a fight no in which is no one will fight you. That's the whole point of wearing the shirt and say we'll see you wanna be you girls want to be with you when you wearing a pmt weightlifting sure. As far as I know having a black belt the major qualification for that is just knowing not to get into fight right. They really good at avoiding all you have to say. We'll even put an insert like Larry stock with the shirt. Like if anyone says that they wanNA fight you just reply. I actually had to register my hands as weapons so I do not. WanNa fight because I'll have to go to jail. I always thought that if somebody was wearing like an end one shirt or really hardcore no fiercer that said like. I don't play well with others. It seems others have a problem with losing yet. You weren't a good athlete. And you still. Where that is more stolen valor than dressing up like a fake army purse right. Like it's like no you're not good at sports dude right. You can't wear that. There's nothing in your basket. Yeah there's nothing better when people have like are dressing like head to toe under armor and clue haven't been to a gym and forever and ready to go but don't you think and it has to be subtle so we're not going to have a beep. Emt karate like blazing in the front and it's going to be on the pocket is just going to say PMT karate black belt. That's pretty cool. It's like the body inspector shirts to. How does anyone stop that? Pmt Walden Inspector. That is stolen valor for doctors so gynecologist. You don't want anyone to think that we are ecologists teague gynecology program. I think we could have a whole line of people. Yeah we could do like PMT MD option to why not why not. We are saying that you're just as good as you right now listening. You're just as good as the dock you've been on web. Md Should actually sell web. T. Like MD SHIRTS. That's that's what about like. Pmt Millionaires Finance Club. Yes yes there's so many that we can do where we just create these clubs. Yeah we create these these these sayings these shirts and people can join them and they walk around and everyone's like Holy Shit Dude. That guy's a millionaire Astronaut Camp Yes not training a castle. Yes yes yeah. Pmt Like John Fighter Training Program yes Cadet Cadet doing yes. Yes yes so. I think this is the future. Volver shirts bubble. We need you to mock these up just lying to people. No No. It's fine no we are size or good no. This isn't a lie. That is the way that you keep. Your brain creates no. This is not a lie though because like I said and your imagination. We're we are we started. Pmt Karate if you're all you have to do is listen to a podcast. Get a black belt congrats here. It is that's house that a lot. Now that's all I got it. Powerlifting you watch the show you see the clips. We have a bench press right here. You powerlift every day with us. Pmt fighter fighter Pilot Training Academy. It's getting close to stolen our. We don't want to get all the way there. Well how come. There's no fighter Pilot Training Academy for people that aren't in the military just WANNA fight fight pilots people that are just sick playing Microsoft flight simulator and watch topgun too much growing We could do that. We'll workshop but we look for the new line of clothes the just basically we could just it like the small decline close because this is pretty much what it is like if you have a small penis in her overcompensating in different ways like myself like that's that's really what you're going for? T- Big Dick Caverns Association MT BMW owners like we got this P. M. C. I. Starring porn movies. Yeah this is Listen guys we got you by the way of you. Did you see that porn hub is? They're trying to like go clean now would he? They're kind of like the mob. Porn hub is now new businesses for Real Porn. Hub is trying to make actual real movies. I'm in is can anyone. Can they just need to put that to second? Sound Clipper due to do at the start of any movie and I'll watch well. Yeah because the whole time you've like wins a fucking I instinctively. Click three quarters of the way through whatever movie I'm in I'm in all right. We'll see everyone on Wednesday who we ever went. 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Week 8 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, HUE-ge News!

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Week 8 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, HUE-ge News!

"Hey, Falkland navy federal hasn't mission to put its members. I by making their financial goals the priority receive a lifetime membership benefits to help you and your family accomplish your life missions, like a full suite of financial products designed to fit your needs twenty four seven live support access to over three hundred branches on or near military bases. Visit navyfederal dot org. For more information. Call one eight eight eight eight four to six three two eight or download the navy Federal Credit Union app. Message and data rates may apply. Welcome to the fantasy footballers bond cast coming to you from draft dot com studios with your hose Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike, right? Oh, come in. Jason is smirking. Mike is bobbing. His head. Brooks just got off the set. And baby. Josh is here to oh. It's going to be such a good show. Welcome into the fantasy football. There's podcasts. Like, you had a a sneaky surprise for us or something? Jason I you know, I Joe I heard up I've got sneaky surprises even for myself. I never know what I'm gonna say. I'm so excited to see. What happens? He waits in anticipation for his own words because it'd be so cool that it is Monday, October twenty ninth studs and duds on the shell rising stars on the show today. Fresh off another wild Sunday in the fantasy football prairie. I I'm probably going to mix in a lot of west terms today. Oh, I'm so much red dead. I was literally you wanna know what? My I have riding a horse for hours. I'm walking a little bowling today. That's correct. The smirk actually was I'm scrolling through Twitter because I wanted to pull up something for the show. And while I was there. I saw the picture of how you took in the fourth quarter of the Sunday night football, which is you the red Denver Timpson projector. And then you're amazing core strength of holding the phone with the game on those. We that is between my legs. Yes. People don't even know about the Holloway thighs wrong. You don't see them below the desk on the like sake queries, east stones drew style. That's. Rush. Your phone wasn't just crushed into a million pieces that dank you. Thank you. You guys. Never come is like today like a rooster. Did you see the did you see the other tweet Brooks put up this morning? Yes. Yeah. Sitting apparently, you can remote play your PS four on a computer. So I gotta figure this tech. Yeah. Anyways. Anyway, let's let's digress into the fantasy football talk. So we can get to. Like, I said studs and doesn't on the show today. I couple of weeks ago. I think Jason was out of the office had a little fun asked the foot clan for some. Well, I think at that time I asked him for metaphors about the weekend. And I got like two hundred punds. So now, I just ask for puns about how the weekends gone for you. So I've got some reaction, and we get that one, you know, one liner reaction from the foot clan. And they are so great Buckley. And you use it very funny and gals are amazing. You are such good people out there. Yes. Jason equates being a good human with pun capabilities. One hundred percent looks sometimes you got to laugh it out and get a bad beat. If you can't make a good pun. You're a terrible person. Yes. So before you get into the rewind I'm gonna share some I lots of hate for James Swain. That was very Stephen you Winston you lose. Yeah. There was another one Jameis Winston. But he capitalized the I n t for okay, which that's more of a visual pun. Well, yeah. Jayme. Is kind of capitalized the I n t all Sunday long. You've got some in joke. Who hate for instance, the joke who is on me because he ghost. Yeah. No points. You got to be joking. Joking me. That's pretty bad. David in choke. You Brooke talent in there? Oh, Rehim most hurt the Colonel himself. Colonel mustard on the bench with the clipboard. This is my absolute favorite. I mean, it was really disappointing. Colonel mustard not being involved in all of a sudden Brita being able to stay on the field. Yeah. But the Colonel on the bench with the clipboard. Yes. Yes. Colonel. Colonel mustard. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I don't know what's going on with Doug Baldwin, but he's killing my dynasty team. And he's also he's killing Matthew dud Baldwin now on so good dud Bali and just right to the point. Yes. Well, the simple dud Baldwin -ffective a player that I'll transition this one probably into into a quick question for you guys. But lots of Kenny golladay sadness like Kenny holiday. Yeah. Took a holiday. Golly. Done. Kenny gone away. Yeah. Yes. Someone went with the very literal. Kenny gull night. It's no longer day. It's the night down a further. Yeah. We're gonna pass. Trey boohoo again trae burden with a bad week. I John Brown my pants. Yeah. He he does that though that stuff. There's poop in my Landry. Oh, that's a dirty Landry. Some dirty Landry. Well, what are you guys doing with some of these players that have started hot? And you've you've wanted to kind of anoint them, right? Like even they've stepped into the flames. They were on fire. You want to kind of walk up to them in pin on like in our, you know, an Rb to or you wanna pin on wide receiver one Kenny golladay being one of those guys that. You started to wonder, well, maybe I really do have a superstar here. And then maybe not I think, you know, this is first of all even if you have a superstar in Kinney gonna if he is the next great player. The great players have bad performances can't overreact to the dud. But the reason Tanakh duds, though, the the reason why I've been hesitant to anoint him the next great player is because he is not the clear number one for his team. And you can't be the next great player. If you're not the clear number one. And sometimes he's not even the clear number two. That's the problem with all three of these guys that that's why a couple of weeks ago when the question was posed to would you rather have I went with golden Tate because I feel like he is the defacto one. If he's not the one he's the two and Marvin Jones and Kinney golladay can switch with. I'm the one. I'm the three. No, I'm the one. I'm the three. Yeah. Tate is the the floating to at all time. Yeah. So I would rather have the consistency there. All right. Let's get into the rewind. Weekly rewind. We got a floater. I don't know. I don't know how that happens. But yeah, I'm not gonna use the floating to is. Yeah. The next one. No. Carry the one chiefs coach Andy Reed's Taibbi kale suffered a groin strain in week eight against the Broncos this stinks. Yeah. Because this affects to people. Yes. It does. This is this will be very interesting. Not only a growing strain is is rough. It takes a few weeks to get back from from this injury. What happens with Patrick Mahomes? Now, I'm not saying he's he's he will not take Patrick Mahomes is still going to be great for fantasy football. But tyreek hill changes the offense for every single player out. There from Travis Kelsey to cream hunt to Patrick Mahomes completely agree. What happens to this offense? Now that they don't have the fastest man in the NFL there. So they're going to be fine because of the schedule their their upcoming next two weeks is the Cleveland Browns followed by the Zona cardinals. So if tyreek hill MS really wish he had Tyree. And if if he misses time he's going to be fine. I I would hope you know, if if this is one of those reoccurring type of injuries that you need to rest up that they would take the two weeks off. If you've got tyreek hill and Pat, Mahomes, you're probably off to a pretty good lead. You can withstand some victories without tyreek hill as we say. And this I almost made Sammy Watkins my rising started a because not only did he have a great week. But there's in line for guaranteed target. Exactly, he'll be the one. If tyreek hill is out. But since we don't know the injury intimately yet. I I did not. Yeah. And I agree walk ins will should get a huge target bump, but a name to pay attention several covering tomorrow. But we'll be Chris Conley who would step in. And Chris Conley is also very very fast. He he's never really popped or or broke out. I mean, he was a third round draft pick. We just we haven't seen it. From a, but he will be given an opportunity when and if there's one thing we've learned about Pam homes a seat. He throws it to the open, man. Whether it's you know, Harris or Kelsey or Watkins or hill, it doesn't matter. Right. It's a hill a lot because he's open. Yeah. Pretty much. David Johnson was evaluated for a concussion but later returned and played after the game. They said Johnson was fine. We expect him to be fine. I will say this. As of today. He's RB twenty on the week saw new offense coordinator playing San Francisco. Touchstones man has not didn't work out didn't translate into season Andy no on the week. Yeah. I mean on the week. Sorry. It's all right. It's it is higher than that on the season because he had touchdowns those first few weeks. But yeah, I mean, there were a lot of people out. So I was we were saying hold David Johnson, not necessarily go and get him. Because. You know, it's it's it's tough to I at one point. I think in round the third quarter. We we brought up in the studio how happy might McCoy is because the Arizona Cardinals looking putrid with their new offense coordinator, there's a there's some problems in Arizona. They won. They did they got some problem for that draft pick Ronald Jones suffered a hamstring injury. Been Rothlisberger suffered an injury to his left index finger in the second quarter Tomlin said he didn't know the severity. I know severity. He doesn't use his left index finger to throw. So it was just fine after that injury. During that game. We have a pointing at people is difficult. That's right. No finger finger-wagging. Nobody you know, Matombo. Oh, yeah. You can't wag him Tumba. He's gotta get some penalties as he has to use a different finger. That's true. That's true sunny, Michelle. It's hurt out. Yeah. Siamese shell out tonight. But. I mean, we didn't have a show to cover the Sony. Michelle was spotted at practice. So I know gave hiding behind the bushes. I I know hearing apple a glimmer of hope for this week, which was it. He should have been considered ultimate just incredibly doubtful for this week, but perhaps next week Sony. Michelle is already back. We shall see. Gronk is gonna play. Hopefully as a decoy Jason says that because in our dynasty matchup where I benched. Bench. Marvin Jones loops for Carlos. Whoops. I thank you, my friend. Yeah. I need eighteen points from grunk to beat Jason. I hope you get sixteen. I don't think you help that don't because you will be pooping your pants and the other big news tonight Leshan McCoy he cleared the concussion protocol he will play. So if you held on for to play shady tonight's, hopefully, he will reward you with at least eight fantasy points is that what you that's what I if you ever we we had some friends selfish. Fly say we had some friends from out of town that we're watching the games with this yesterday. And one of them said, I'm so glad that you guys are in it. Right. Like, that's what this show is like, we're not we're not above it. We're in it. Are you? Yeah. We you're sitting at the table with us. I don't think you can give great contextual fantasy advice from you know, from the ivory tower. Yeah. From the bird's nest, you know, looking down at everybody else. You gotta be that's one of the reasons why we intentionally restrict the quantity of leagues that we plan because we get invited to play in tons of them. But if I'm not invested in my team the way you are. I'm not going to give you contextual advice the right way. So that being said, Mike needs eight points. I need eighteen do before we jump in and is stunned muffins equipo couple of quick piece. Who's a quibble as the trade deadline approaches to marry his Thomas himself believes there's about a fifty fifty chance that he is traded and teams are looking into peer Garson. Yes. Who was out? It seemed like he missed for injury. But this could have been a were protecting peer or song because we're gonna trade him. Yeah. It's true. Trade deadline is to. Tuesday at four Easter. And then in other words, levian bell watches Wednesday in here's the thing is we're going to lake release our show it's gonna it's gonna hit. And then the trade deadline will come and they'll be things that maybe several happened during the show. Maybe it'll be a long show eight hour show. All right. Let's get into the sun muffins. This week's fantasy stud muffins. Jason yo Cam Newton. He's booty scooting. Buddhists Kyun is way. It's the number two quarterback, gene. How do you feel about that? Look, I feel like he's been on fire. I think north Turner has done an excellent job with the offense. Because Baltimore Ravens had been shutting just about everybody down. And booty scooting said not me the Carolina Panthers. They as a team, I think need more respect they have. I mean, we were talking about the game line from Vegas was surprising that the Panthers just beat the eagles in the ravens and back to back weeks. Their offense looks great their defenses tough five and to the great Cam Newton tried his best tried his best to throw an interception in the end zone. And that's still magically turned into a Christian, McCaffrey touchstone. There was a point that game where I watched Cam Newton do a fake hand off bootleg to the left on thirty eight consecutive place. And they never want. Everytime. Rated any surprise. It was like well what happened? But you can't stop him. Oh, all right. So Cam Newton Twenty-one for twenty nine to seventeen and to ten for fifty two and a touchdown on the ground Tampa. Pittsburgh detroit. You start Cam Newton. Yes. We talked about Shawn Watson Thursday reaction. The hyper officiency. Let's talk about another player right at the top of the fantasy producers this week. Derek carr. You take away Amari Cooper, and Derek Carr becomes a he was holding the man Hooper. He was actually also inconsideration for my rising star. I it's it's fun to disparage Derek Carr and to feel like, oh, I just pile on the disguise. No good anymore talk. You know, it's it's a favorite pastime for some. But the reality is he actually looked good his schedule. Coming up is not scary. I mean, you've you've got the charges in there. But two of the next three games are San Francisco and the Arizona Cardinals. And it might it. Is sounds crazy. But I don't think anybody here will be surprised if we say what if what if this is a dish in by subtraction. What if not having Amari Cooper out there? Needing to get the ten twelve targets a game and not producing with them half the games. What what if this is just kind of opens it up for Derek Carr, where he's just you know, reading the I mean Amari Cooper wasn't hitting the ten targets. He was every other game. Well twice this year. He did what happened was Jason it opened things up for your guy their new number one wide receiver Brandon Lavelle who who played on ninety two percents of the snaps which is more than Jordy Nelson. Yeah. Jordi neat. Yeah. Sorry. We'll talk about him. Derek carr. San Francisco chargers bears on it's interesting. Jared Goff nineteen thirty five to ninety five and three. What's amazing? Is you have this contrast to Stutz Jared Goff? Russell Wilson Goth thirty five passes. Russell Wilson had seventeen passes fourteen or seventeen to forty eight and three I think you know, when you pass the ball seventy. Times and you have a great fantasy day fancy owners should consider themselves quite lucky. Yes. Because this team wants to run run run. And I it makes Wilson hit and miss. It makes him. Difficult to predict I do agree. Ran to the fifteen yard it hurts the consistency in the baseline. But whenever you've got the low volume high touchdowns. You can't really, you know, we've we've done this with the Shawn Watson right who only through twenty passes. But when you're throwing bomb touchdowns the drive is over you don't get to throw anymore passes. And I think that efficiency shouldn't always be looked at as you know, a negative. That's gonna flip back the other way when you've got Tyler Lockett when you've got superstars like, Ed Dickson. You know, drives are going to be over quick, right? Eighteen minutes who took the what was the over under for when Jason would bring up Ed Dickson and take victory lap. Yeah. This apps apprised took all of this just one of twelve I took the under. So yeah Carson Wentz. Nice game against Jacksonville. Three touchdowns. Andrew luck. He's always doing it. Twenty to thirty one start of the game. Tim for ten not a lot of questions about these guys other. You know, other than the ones we brought up. So let's talk running backs. Hey, James, Connor. Hey, how about two hundred plus total yards from James Connor twenty four for one forty six to five for sixty six through the air. And well I player in Steelers history with one hundred rushing yards and multiple rushing touchdowns in three straight games James Connor on pace from Adam Levin. Ton tweeted this morning on pace for twenty one hundred total yards and twenty touchdowns. They don't need that lev bell guy. No, they don't need him. That's for sure. This is why they didn't give him the long term contract. I mean, they've they've always been able to have the next man up be successful Tuesday's the trade deadline. So people are thinking led bell might come back Wednesday. Again, I still believe that we have one more full workload week for James Connor. And after that, we don't know how the workloads going to split up. But is this has been one of the most interesting and terrible story lines of the season is the left bell watch Todd Gurley. Made a very interesting decision at the end of that man twenty five for one fourteen that was around six for eighty one through the air and a touchdown. And then he took a little took a little knee. It was Westbrook. Who kind of made that in vogue? Am I remembering that, right, Brian Westbrook? Yeah. I think you're correct. I think so because I think it was against Dallas. Yeah. There was there was a very particular play where I mean, he the the football player did the right football thing sacrificing the game stats went down because you guarantee the victory. And then people realize, oh, that's analytically. A good thing to do. Don't even bother giving the ball back. So people were tilting but Todd Gurley did the right thing for his team. If he had scored would have been another touchdown for girly, which would have he would have been beyond the pace of ladainian Tomlinson. He would have been on pace to break the record the over under would have changed with the score. Yup. And the game line would have changed with the score. And he came out of this morning and said screw fantasy. Screw screw Vegas. Yeah. Win early. So let's talk about Marlin MAC Marla MAC twenty-five for one thirty two and two all those are my two starts say saw. Yeah. Your girlie and MAC, I saw a stat that said that the RBM NBC, right? We knew it was going to be good for Indianapolis going up against Oakland. But the RBC in Indianapolis over the last two weeks has like four hundred fifty rushing yards. And if you think about that like saquon has like five nineteen on the year. So this running back by committee has been Boston. I wanted to make offensive line has been. Extremely extremely strong. No doubt. I wanted to make Marlin Matt kind of a rising star candidate today, but already rose them up last week while you, sir, sir. But there's by week this week Jacksonville, Tennessee, Miami, Jacksonville, Houston, so take that we knew buffalo in Oakland. We're going to be good Naim Hines was hyper efficient in this game. Jordan Wilkins was good. Put things into perspective for us on Marlin MAC because the last two weeks he was a thirty point scorer. So this is this is too great performances. None of us are disillusioned to think thirty points a week is what you're going to get for Matt. But they are running the ball. Well, there were up in both games. Twenty-five carries? What do you think? Yeah. I mean, I've I've said from early in the offseason, I think he's the best back on this team. He has proven that in. This is a team that has a porous defense with a great quarterback. So there will be enough points scored where he'll be valuable, but he is still a matchup play when it comes to not necessarily the ability to start. But what you're going to get out of them. You're not gonna see crazy hundred and fifty yards on the ground multi touchdowns when you're playing against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Now, I would worry a little bit more about them being down to a great offense and flipping the script name Hines more than playing against someone like Jacksonville because someone like Jacksonville. I doubt was gonna jump out to this monstrous lead and take away that first second down roll from Marlin max. So the schedule coming up to me says you could start him through all of those games. But you have to temper your expectations except the by week. Don't don't start him. Yeah. Nice. Neither Heinz nor MAC really made any of their fantasy points in the passing game. There's only four receptions between the two of them to each. Joe mixing monstrous game from Joel mix and twenty one for one twenty three and two Alvin Kamara doing his thing if you had told me that like drew Brees could throw for what did he throw four hundred. Yeah, it was really really lonely yards. Yes. I mean, and they bloom out so well, then blow me I don't think they won by what final Saroor versus actual game. Sure. They bloom out. Oh, yeah. I was gonna say even I mean it was like thirty two twenty two in the game. But they were there were three scores. The head for quite a while. Once the feeling fumble happened. Video game really did change her Adrian Peterson. That is the most. If when he's six for one forty nine in one there's a question of who on the year has surprised you the most it has to be Adrian Peterson for me at this point. I did not think he was going to be able to keep up. I expected a couple of big games. And then him to go away. I mean twenty six for one hundred and fifty and a touchdown hoof four point six carry this year one hundred twenty seven rushes for five hundred eighty seven yards. The last three basically the last four games. He's played. Okay. Hundred and twenty yards rushing ninety seven ninety nine one forty nine. And now his his next two weeks the schedules. Great for him. He has Atlanta and Tampa Bay. I mean pe- Ryan is out. There's nobody else they're taking the ball. Chris. Thompson was active in this game. And yeah, I mean, it's it's the AP show here. Both of those teams are averaging they're giving up one hundred and twelve on one hundred fifteen yards a game rushing on average. So Adrian Peterson has been a steel for fantasy owners fill Lindsey in the sole running back role eighteen for ninety five and a touchdown real quick. Just because I I looked it up. How many yards do you think AP is on pace for right now? Ooh. On pace. So I took a quick look. I mean, he's basically housing basically has one hundred yards in five of seven games one thousand three hundred and forty two here. Yeah. All right before we move onto the wide. Receivers. Wanna thank today sponsor movement watches. You've heard us talking about them with almost two million watches sold in one hundred and sixty plus countries, they continue to revolutionize fashion on the belief that style shouldn't break the Bank. I've got a movement watch all of these fellows. Do they are sharp? I'll the minimalist look is amazing. And they don't lie about the price. You can get a great deal. A new watch might cost you four to five hundred bucks. 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I don't even know who's taking over yet. Aley? Yes. Jarvis spray them all. Yes. Well, I will say this. Brown's music Browns fans have one word for you. Congratulations. Oh, this is you know, they know how we felt when we got rid of Mike McCoy, it feels good. It feels good the burden has been lifted. Cleveland your free. Yeah. I I still believe it will go the way of Gus Bradley fly fly home. I still believe that this will take an off season with Haley in tow. I mean, these are not Haley's picked coordinators. I'm sure I mean, if aliens up getting the job right y-, you're you're not gonna have the worst defensive coordinator in the league sticking around for next year. So but it makes me excited in dynasty formats for the Browns EROs is pointing up. Also, hey foot clan. Wanna tell you about? Hawks. Look if you've listened for anytime you've heard pristine auction because we talk about them all the time because they deserve to be talked about all the time the foot clan. No, we get tweets nonstop about. How oh I've completely redecorated. My office my bedroom. My game room my studio, whatever with, you know, framed signed jerseys from NFL players in it looks unbelievable. People don't realize how cheap you can get these things because it's an auction Corey Davis. Sign titans jersey yesterday for fifty eight bucks t y Hilton forty nine bucks Keenan Allen signed jersey fifty nine dollars. These things are amazing. You can make a completely free account. You can bid for free. You only pay if you actually win item. So if you see some bit whatever you want check it out, and you will win stuff that your friends will come over you'd be like, whoa. Say, hey, Mr. moneybags. Yeah. You're like can I auction? This off can I auction off the sign Todd. How much are you going to give Jackson? I would start the bidding at one penny. And I think that you might not gate five dollars for. Have a sign, Hugh. Hugh Jackson photograph here I've bought two signed photographs from coaches before. Yes, you have hired. So don't fuck your fantasy reaper. So anyways, check him out pristine, Oxford PRI STI auction dot com. Lebron James was named head coach upgrade, Hugh. I wish you well on all your future. Endeavors. Just not head coaching. All right. Let's let's get back to business. Although, yeah, I mean, do you agree with Jason that is gonna take some time for? Oh, yes. Yes. Not this year. This is. This is just the future is bright for Cleveland moving forward. Okay. Unbelievable. Somehow somehow it happened. It's really not unbelievable. It's I I I checked the box of fully expected maybe than expected. Lamar Miller eighteen for one thirty three in one. We talked about that big game. Chris Carson twenty five for one five in one. What do fantasy owners do with shod penny? Do they drop them? Just get rid of them. Right. You said this yesterday, you said Rashad penny is going to be the most owned irrelevant player for the longest time. This year penny does not need to be on a roster. He doesn't if he's on the waivers. You don't need to make a bid on him. He didn't play a snap yesterday. Thank you. Brooks. Didn't play a snap. He is not the guy you want. You can't trust the Seahawks all of a sudden it flipped back to my Davis. But Chris Carson is the guy if he does get injured he's going to get twenty plus carries. And I think that he's a guy that you know, you can rely on. I'm starting to. To fully buy in three big names at the wide receiver position Marvin Jones, Mike Gavin. Sammy Watkins let's throw Tyler Boyd in there to yesterday. Big time games Marvin Jones I game with over four catches this year. Seven for one seventeen and two on ten targets as Minnesota next week. Mike Evans, six for one seventy nine and one fits magic. Ryan Fitzpatrick bringing them back from the depths of defeat to a much more narrow defeat. The the question of who will start for Tampa Bay is. It's a big question for fantasy players because the value for all three wide. Receivers of Tampa Bay goes up Evans. Sean Jackson, Chris God. When meanwhile, OJ Howard will still get usage, but you can't call it reliable usage. Like when James Winston is the quarterback so fantasy players need to keep an ear to the ground for that news. Yeah. I could see it's Patrick taking over. He could. I have no idea. I mean, I this is one of those where now I'm I'm actually kind of interested in maybe poking around at some of these wide receivers definitely scooping up. Chris God, if he's still on waivers and hoping for the Fitzpatrick changeover. I saw a sorry. I can't remember who who mentioned it on Twitter. But it was very poignant of the decision comes down to this. If dirt cutter is making the decision for. Himself. He should play Ryan Fitzpatrick as unlike the safety of his job, if you're playing for the organization, you gotta let James Winston go and try and work it out. So we'll see which we'll see where he goes. All right. Sammy Watkins we talked about him. He might be the beneficiary of the tyreek injury just with some more guaranteed production yesterday width tyreek who's eight for one. Oh, seven and two on nine targets. He said a red zone target in every game except for week two. Tyler Boyd came back back around nine for one thirty eight and one on ten targets wide receiver one Tyler Boyd. Yeah. He's great. He Stefan digs ten for one nineteen and a touchdown Adam feeling seven for one or three and a touchdown. Just made it just made three. Garbage time, and then Larry FitzGerald. Hey one or two and a touchdown. He scored in two straight weeks twelve target hearts. That's right. And from what I heard, you know, the coaching staff has been trying to tell Josh Rosen when you're in trouble, go to Larry go to Larry, Larry, Larry. And so I think at home Larry looks good. But you don't need to hold onto them right now. I mean, it's it's one of those things where they're going into their by. Then they go on the roads Kansas City. I don't like that. Even though you you've got a bad defense on the road. Josh Rosen will get destroyed their Kansas City defense will look great that. We all right. Also, David Moore. We'll talk about him in a little bit wide receiver for the Seattle Seahawks for for ninety seven and a touchdown Beckham had eleven targets. He's the eight for one thirty six. Yeah. He's cutting into the bye week. At one point. So there's an insight into your legal record team. Andy at one point. We're watching these games is at the very end of the game. And the giants have had about as bad in offense of production game it as possible they have very similar to all their games. Yes. Yes. We have three total points. They've been blown out the game is just trash and you have this the wide receiver running back stack of Odell Beckham and saquon Barkley on your team. And so you would think oh any had a bad week. No. These guys were amazing both players in our format. Had what seventeen? Yes. Yeah. That's unbelievable. I mean that was worse case scenario the giants stunk it up Hugh Jackson inside his tenure with a three thirty six in one record. Three hundred thirty six three. And then there's an hand three wins thirty six. Lawson's? One time impress. That's just like being punched in the face a lot. I mean that is takes where I feel like an Reeve win. I'm not one tie. I genuinely believe in forty games. I I could not I mean, no, no way, shape or form. Could I coach a franchise? I'm not in enough. I don't know enough. I feel like if you gave me forty games forty games. Could I win three of them? I think they've got a chance, you know. I still the players on the field doing this stuff. It's just incredible. How bad and apparently I I don't know if this is true. I don't have time to vet it. This will happen live on the show. I just read a tweet that he is the sixth straight Browns coach to be fired after the Steelers game after a game against the Steelers. That'd be very interesting. So. Tide instead muffins Travis. Kelsey did Travis Kelsey thinks that's pretty nice six for seventy nine and one. He's only gonna get better from target share perspective. Although I don't know if he really gets better without tyreek taken the top off the defense. But his he will remain. He will be himself. He will remain Zeus. Jack Doyle, Eric Hebron. Yes. All scored. But dole had six catches. Yeah. We'll talk about Doyle in just a sec. Oh, we will usually. Well, Eric Ron made it into this section because he scored the touchdown. But this line is far more reminiscent of the very beginning of the year where he was getting three receptions, and he would score. You the snap counts for horrific for for Eric E, Bron Graham Barfield tweet it out with Doyle back in the lineup. Eric LeBron's saw has snaps cut to eighteen percent versus Jack Doyle at seventy five percents. Mo alley Cox. G the biggest I've ever seen who had absolutely sensational. One hand one headed touchdown grabbing the dude is Frankenstein in a good way. This guy is he's eight foot to seven hundred pounds. You don't wanna be Frankenstein in a bad way? Well, just usually Frankenstein like, yeah, it's a monster. No. This guy is awesome monster. I want them on my team. He out snap Turkey Brown. Well, one touchdown per tight end. That was true. That's true. But no you need to be aware. That the snap counts m look talent opportunity lebronettes talented. He made a great play on the on the Dutch down catch. He's been a great tight end. Some counts freak me out the start of the week. Jared cook four for seventy four and a touchdown OG Howard, Greg Olsen and Ed Dickson. Addiction to for fifty four and one onto targets. Well, yeah. I mean when you have a forty three yard catch the targets go down because your drivers finish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I guess how many targets was willed. Dizzy getting very few. Right. Yeah. Just took him to the house. He's already did. I'm just saying not saying I let it was playing the role of role to Ed Dickson crap news on the I wanna be clear, though, the the the lack of passing attempts in Seattle is not because every time he throws the ball. They're scoring and touchdown. They have been intensely lowered this year with their offense coordinator change in their commitment to the run. So yes, occasionally drive is hyper efficient in these score. Touchdown. But look at the second half of that game. Russell Wilson basically didn't touch the fantasy point meter for the entire second half of that game. And it wasn't some mind-blowing blowout. Ed Dickson from this week as a title one. I actually believe that. I mean, I, you know, all his side, the the affirmation mo- alley Cox was a tight end one on the way. Because all you have to do is catch your ass for touch doesn't take much David and joke who was zero zero this we I guess we'll get into the Dutt's talking about it then. But let's talk rising stars. Rising stars of the week. All right. My rising star this week is David Moore. Yeah. David Moore, Seattle wide receiver. He scored a touchdown in three straight games. Four total in that span double digit fantasy points in three straight games. And I look, I don't know. I mean, we kind of know what's wrong with Doug Baldwin. We know he's he's physically limited right now. And that he said that you know, he's never gonna he's not going to be the same this season with the injury. But the targets aren't there Tyler Lockett, David Moore, they seem to be the guys and against seventeen total passes. So he's needed to score to be relevant, but David Moore. You can you can pick him up. He's going to be on the waiver show. And right now you can play him because Russell Wilson. Trust him. Brandon Marshall is gone. Yeah. I was jettisoned into space. When I went to put in my rising star I wanted to put in David Moore, and you had him. I think Brandon Marshall's role is his now. And so I know that's happened three games. No. But I don't have to think of actually believe in. So no, I like the start of the we might my rising star, Ed. Accept the star was already risen. He was you know, the nerdy. One years old is getting ready to get into order. Kick is already in place. My friends. No, my rising star is Jack. Doyle, I pump the brakes two weeks ago on Eric Ibran because Jack Doyle was coming back. And while Hebron did have the touchdown. What Mike was just saying? About the snap counts. The routes run. How much are you on the field kind of matters for how much you can do on the field? And so you've got Jack Doyle in his three starts. He's rocking the ninety. Plus percent snap counts. He's always on the field. He runs so many more routes than Eric Ibran. And if you look at what he's done. I mean, he said what ten targets for seven receptions before? Now this last week seven hundred six or seven seventy yards the schedule obviously is not perfect for them. I'm not saying he is a must grab, you know. How STAN you want to call Ed Dickson time on Jack Doyle if he plays as a tight end. Yeah. I mean, Andrew luck has and Frank Reich. The the whole Indianapolis Colts. I think they are finally clicking. And I believe one hundred percent in their offense. I don't think there's going to be another game this season where they're not scoring twenty five points. And Jack does a huge part of that. Watching the game. I was talking to the TV because I needed Eric Hebron. And I'm like raiders Jack Doyle is just going to the center of the field and standing still like six plays in Rhode is just catching. It's like invisibility cloak or that guy was ridiculous. So yeah, I mean, he's a huge piece of that offense in I want Jack del going forward, especially with how crappy the tight in landscape is how unreliable I want. The targets the snap percentages the routes run and the quarterback. That's what Jack Doyle presents my rising stars or the Cleveland Browns. They're going to send but for real, it's it's DJ more. This is why we've been talking about in the past couple of weeks at the pedigree. Was there the first wide receiver? Takin in this past draft. He had never played more than fifty percents of the snaps shot up to seventy one percent. The two carries is extremely interesting to me that he received yesterday not because you can count on that every single week. But it was the team. I believe realizing, okay. We gotta get DJ more going. We gotta get them implemented in the system. We have to force touches. He is you don't who DJ mores. He plays for the Carolina Panthers. He was five for ninety in terms of receiving yards this past week. I think that he is on an upward trajectory for the remainder of the season. I don't know how high he can climb for fantasy purposes. But I think he is if you hadn't already been stashing him, he's he's looking far more less like a go t in more like a mustache. Oh, okay. All right. That makes your walk perfect. Pooped in is big boy pants. David Moore or DJ more. I'm sorry, David. Yeah. Yeah. More DJ more. That's so I'll take Demore. Well, you would be the one to ask you about this, Mr. Moore. Yeah. That I guess that would be that would make sense of your last name. Yeah. That's your if I had to pick one of these guys. I think I would pick DJ more. I mean. I mean, I the touchdowns are very nice coming from David Moore, the volume isn't there now that Ed Dixon's? They're still in everything. I mean, it's going to be tough. But I think the talent is clearly on this. I feel like opportunities been there for D for David more talent is there with DJ more. And if he's going to start these seventy plus percent snap counts. Then I think the the fantasy value will come and he and the we're starting to look ahead fantasy playoffs for the Carolina Panthers. Passing attack is very juicy. All right. Let's talk about some does James Winston drew Brees. I mean, you can't really do much with the drew Brees. It's not his eighteen for twenty three for one twenty and one the defense stepped up the defense made some big plays yet. The ridiculous pick six it was just unfortunate. If you're a drew Brees owner. Yeah. I mean, remember since that first loss similar to last year where the saints look like their defense was terrible last season. And then it was like, oh, no, they're they have a great defense. We're starting to see them do the exact same thing this year. And so I worry about drew Brees a little bit rest of season. They picked up ally. Apple. Yeah. They picked up. You know, some some pieces for the defense. I I really genuinely think drew Brees is like he's a trade candidate for me. If I've got him. I'm shopping him right now because he's got a huge name. He's been great this season. But if marking room and Alvin Kamara start rushing touchdowns like last year and the defense stops the shootouts you're going to have what you had last season with drew Brees. Which is he's pretty much always the quarterback thirteen or fourteen you're disappointed. All right. Fantasy owners need some answers guys. Ahah crowell? Ma'am burrito. Chris thompson. Colonel mustard most. And then Corey Clement. I mean, there are a number of poopers in this grew. I Carlos height six for eleven. I mean, no we didn't expect the world from Carlos Hyde this week probably expected more than six for eleven. Yeah. So crow. Well, it was the match up. He was fighting against the Chicago Bears next week. He will get the Miami Dolphins, and he will get the volume against the team. He's going to end up as a great play. Berita is just he's like a walking mash unit. You never know if he's act when he's going to be healthy when he's not the match up was there. He was supposed to be limited one thing to point out. The man are you doing mass? Oh my goodness. That is way Pat that is that is way over the heads of our fellow Philo young people. Yes. The mash reference. No good one thing to note about the Zona cardinals matchup that has been so incredibly juicy obviously meant Brita torched in limited action the cardinals several weeks ago. They actually switched this week. Now, I don't know if this was the press conference was said it was because this was the second time they were playing against the Niners. They wanted to show something different. But it could just be the the moment that people have been waiting for for St. books to switch to their base offense of the new four three defense defense. Sorry because usually what they've been doing on first second down is playing nickel and people in running all over us this game. They didn't do that. They actually played the four three the base Steve Wilks defense. The fact that they actually interest won the game. Now, they're going into the bye week. I wouldn't be surprised if when they come out they continue to roll with their base for three and maybe stop the run a little bit. So it's something two weeks from now we'll have to remember because the match up always looks. So enticing right now for it might not might not stay that way. What do you do with Corey climate? You hold them. You bench him you drop him. He's not he's not worth it. He's not worth holding Smallwood and Josh Adams or better players on that offense. It's I've seen it long enough. I mean, they don't they don't trust Clement to give them very much. I mean five touches on the game. Josh Adams, look like the best running back on the dude by far. You got a buy week coming up. I don't got time to mess with Corey Clement. Yeah. I mean with the by week coming up if you need if you need someone else if there's a great waiver wire pickup. Sure, I'd be willing. But otherwise, I'm I'm still stashing him. I remember early in the season. It looked like that as well said, hey, we gotta drop Clement that was after week one. And then injuries happened JJ gets banged up. Everyone was Darren sproles got banged up. Corey Clement had some solid fantasy week. So I'm preferring to stash them if I have that luxury. Chris Thompson, what do you do with him stash him? Yeah. I mean, hold on Atlanta. Tampa Bay coming up. Those are. Perfect. Chris Thompson matchups where they can be high scoring shoot-outs have to dump the ball off. I I actually like Chris Thompson report. He would be a guy. I'd be willing to target in a trade because you could probably get him for nothing. What do you do with TY healed wide receiver catch thirty four yards? The bye week coming up huge disappointment. You just hold on. It was you take your lumps Doug Baldwin to for twenty six. That's a bigger concern. You know, basically last week he was six for ninety one on eight target. So he had he'd stopped up. You're hoping to see him. Maybe get a little healthier chargers. Rams Packers on the horizon. So three teams that are likely going to put Russell Wilson in a position to need to score need to throw the ball. But do you readjust your expectations for what Baldwin is you have to? He has. I mean, we we four he was five for forty one. I mean, that's not a destruction of your team is not what you're hoping for for Doug Baldwin. But. He's had one game where you were happy that you played them. And you may not even even played him. You may have benched him. Yeah. For for context. Larry FitzGerald has to and Larry Larry right now. Yeah. Kenny golladay the three targets in the last two games. Which is that's a problem. If you if you need to count on somebody we've talked about him L, Sean four for thirty five. Yeah. The Jalen Ramsey managed up. He's got the by next week don't worry about alshon and then John Brown three for twenty eight on seven targets. This happened to have a high air yard guy. If he doesn't come down with the big player to you aren't gonna hurt. Yeah. And you're still gonna play them. I mean, when you've got a dishonor Jackson John Brown, you know, Ted Ginn slash, you know. Trey Kwan Smith when you've got that speedster role high area, you have to just be willing to get a zero to take your chance at the twenty five point game. And then I was alluding to it earlier. But. The tight ends the titans hurts you this week David joke. Thankfully, the titans might not have hurt you because you played other people who the titans hurt them. For instance, if David joke who was your tight end and you faced off against CJ us alma you ended up pretty good neutral because you both scored zero or if you're the Jimmy Graham owner and you played up against Trey Burton. You ended up pretty good Jimmy Graham one for twenty one trae burden three for eighteen on four targets. I guess the question that I have for you is. Are you alarmed by any of the usage David jokey, basically had no targets on this game. There was one PI on him. But you had seen such an increase in usage such a reliance from from Baker Mayfield. Now, you've got a change at the head coach. Visit head coaching position is David and jokey. Do you just need to move on? And not worry about it is this like the hunter Henry goose games last year where you just kinda say it is why don't have a choice. So I yeah, exactly. I mean with David and joke, Jimmy Graham and trae burn you just have to go. Well, that stinks. And then keep playing them. They're as good as any other options out there. You're not gonna pick a guy up off of the waiver wire right now, maybe a Dickson, you know, but you know, that's gonna be in the caliber of Joe coup. Graeme burton. So you hold those guys you keep playing them. And you brought up a perfect example in hunter Henry twice last season just complete goose eggs, and he had a great year overall. So you just. You gotta roll with the ugly tight end punches. This was Baker mayfield's lowest passing yardage of of the season including the game where he played half lot of grimacing in this game from Baker Mayfield. Yeah. A lot of interesting decisions. Jason upcoming week Kobe cleaner, Ed Dixon, who do you? I'm going to Dixon and. One more question for you guys who. Who's a sell high candidate after this past week? Do you have somebody that pops in your mind as they sell high candidate? I can probably jump in and give you some of the scoring leaders. If you don't already have one in your mind. But yeah, I mean, there's a there's a couple options. I would say Kenyan Drake Drake is the name that pops up for me. The he is hit Marvin Jones he is hit on two weeks, recently and. He can't do it. We've said, yes, he can do it. But if he doesn't score you're going to have a bad time playing Kenyan Drake, you know, who I would Lamar Miller or do you are you are you in on him? Now. I hold them. Yeah. I think Lamar Miller's when I reentered the odds of form and injury on the Jason now by Jack's. No how about this. How about Tyler Boyd tell it. Oh, wait, listen Tyler Boyne is going to net you eight ton. He's a wide receiver one. And it's been great. He goes on by then he's got the saints with their defense kicking in. And then Baltimore. So if over the next month, you get basically three crappy games from Tyler Boyd. And you're able to flip him for someone that maybe has passed there by that's a great option. Maybe you need running back Depp. I'm not telling anybody you must sell Tyler Boyd because he's going to stink. But what I'm saying? Is you could get max value for a guy where if he still continues to play good against Baltimore. And it gets liens. After the bye. If you got good value for him. You didn't take a loss? They're buoyed. Again. The saints matchup Boyd. We'll get PJ Williams cornerback e Boyd is going to have a monster game having AJ green on the other side, take the majority of the just say, which is nice. He Boyd gets the one bad corner on that team. He's he'll be fine ally. Apple, no. But he Boyd plays the slot. He'll get the slot receiver the slot corner. All right. That is in for today's episode. Remember navy federal has a mission to put members I by making their financial goals the priority. 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FA Breakdowns + Buy/Sell, Andy Returns!

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"What's going on foot clan? Good to be back and wander remind everybody about join the foot dot com that's where the thousands and thousands of supporters of this show are hanging out the official foot clan. We're giving them an extra episode every Single Week. Just for helping support this show so if you want a bunch of cool stuff including that extra show and honestly we all need that extra show that extra content in these times head over to join the foot dot com well to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host. Sandy Holloway Jason Moore and migrate. I'm back baby. Oh my goodness I'll be honest feels feels great to be back. Andy Holloway Jason. The fantasy hitman right now. Berlin standing by Judge Giamatti standing by. I'll be honest feels terrible basis. I mean in some ways but this is a strange time for all of us and I'm so excited to be back on the show. We've got a great episode of the PODCAST. Today we have some more free agency To talk about to break down the implications Lots of things. I WANNA get your guys thoughts on. I'm just happy to be here. It's such a strange time. But this feels comfortable. This feels like home because you're literally at home. That's what I was wondering why that was true. I feel like I'm writing my bedroom. That is that is true and I'm excited to be with the foot clan. I'm excited here. Tuesday march twenty fourth to be with you all at this very unprecedented time in our country in this world where things that are normal. There aren't a lot of them right now so I hope that we can be some of your normal for as long as it takes to get back to everywhere. Else is the first time I've ever been referred to as normal and I ain't you're welcome. You're welcome twitter at the F. F. Ballers Mike mentioned it. Our community joined the foot dot com over there on patriotic. We've got the extra episode every week. The websites the fantasy football dot com and football is one of the few things that is still going on right and strangely. Enough a all sports shutdown. But there's plenty of football to talk about what world. Yes I mean we've got buy sell. Today we got the free agent breakdowns. We'll get into some mailbag if we have time for that as well be sure to check us out. Support US over on Apple. Podcast subscribe. Listen WE'RE AD free on stitcher premium. We're on spotify wherever you listen to podcasts. We're going to be with you and Excited we were able to put up a Spit episode yesterday. Oh yeah avoid. My voice is getting better each and every day. I appreciate all the the kind words from people as I've been out and I'm just excited to get back into Spend some time talking fantasy football with all the view. Let's do some by so buy or sell presented by Pristine Auction. How're you doing brooks? I know you're I know you're out there summer. Doing Great. That's all right. That's sad is that is calming voice. In difficult times judge diamantis doing fine. Everybody have been on the show for awhile. I doing great. Thank you Brooke. That's okay I like his steadying hand. Here's the buy sell that I have for you. Guys love this question because I I read it a few minutes ago. I'm really not sure where I stand. So I'm GonNa let you guys in for me buy or sell Derrick Henry or Nick Chub will have at least fourteen hundred rushing yards again in twenty twenty so those were the only two running backs last year that had more than fourteen hundred rushing yards both returning to the same teams that they accomplished that on. But what are you doing? Are You by? Are you buying or selling Henry or Chubb not both but one at least next year over fourteen hundred yards? I'll I'll weigh in here. I am buying Derrick Henry. Repeating over fourteen hundred rushing yards. That hasn't been done as far as a player. Repeating fourteen hundred rushing yards for the last thirteen years last player to do it was Ladainian Tomlinson so is not an easy feat And I'm sure we're going to talk because Mike. I know you're a big Nick Chubb Fan. I'm sure you're going to bring up the Jack Conklin. Yes signing from the items great right tackle from the titans going to the browns and that does have an effect. But the reason I'm going to buy I've talked a lot about Derrick Henry as a as an outlier when you look at the analytics crowd and you say well this is how much people and this is where they returned to means and he's bigger and stronger and he's faster than most people his size and it actually makes it difficult to tackle him. He has seen by her than people his actual size and that's incredible. I'm saying all run. His size are smaller than him. An easy I believe that is true. Look look outfits in the past turning you'll sense that's right. That's right now. But he is an outlier to that if you look as well. So you're you're losing Jack Conklin and that does make a difference in the sense that I looked up the splits to the left tackle to the right tackle. One hundred eight carries to the left including the playoffs last year. One hundred twenty seven to the right and he did average almost a yard more per rush to the right so losing Jack Conklin matters but the biggest changes last year. We're actually getting Taylor Lewan back. He was suspended the first four games as the left tackle. And then obviously the big one Ryan tannehill coming in and if you look at those two changes you're talking about the first four weeks the first six weeks of the season dare. Kennedy was not as good as the end and so. There's this narrative that says well players get tired the NFL defenders are easier to beat up. When you're a big body back but I think it was the fact that the offense got way better with Taylor Lewan and with Ryan Tannehill with Ryan Tannehill. He was almost on pace for two thousand rushing yards. Even if you take just from week five when Taylor Lewan got back. He was on pace for over. Seventeen hundred rushing yards and look. He finished with over fourteen hundred last year in fifteen games. So I'm buying I think Derrick Henry will finish with more than fourteen hundred rushing yards this season as you mentioned the addition of Jack Conklin which is big last year the titans ranked eighth overall according to pro football focus the browns or twenty third overall. Where do you weigh in my? It's it's tough to really. By either of these guys hitting that mark again they were both of them joined. It's a just a handful of people to hit the that rushing yard is mark on the attempts that they were actually given so both of them were were extremely efficient in that stuff. It just bounces around a from year to year. I think that the the addition of Conklin is a massive massive thing for the Cleveland browns. On top of that. Now you have you have. The coaching changes coming in will will new head coach. Kevin Stefanski continue to institute what he was doing up in. Minnesota mean at this point. We just Kinda have to assume that he will which that'll be a very heavy run or a very run heavy approach. We know that Nick chubs numbers did go down. Once Kareem Hunt was back from his suspension. He dropped essentially fifteen rushing yards per game where When Kareem Hunt was around on that pace? Eighty six yards a game. I mean that's just under fourteen hundred. I think they both can get there but I will just. I have to sell because I think that the for them to hit that. That fourteen hundred threshold is you gotTa have a lot of goals. Yes yeah. It's a lofty goal. And if you told me buyer sell both players over twelve hundred I'd be buying that I think over twelve hundred and I actually think the browns will be as good if not better a running team overall next year than they were. This past year is just a very high bar at fourteen hundred yards. I think I will sell both of these players. I think you're going to see some expansion in the passing game in Tennessee with Tannehill returning the the maturity of AJ Brown and company around in. That's just such a huge mark. I if I had to pick one. I guess I'd pick Henry because of what we've seen but I go ahead and sell it all right. That was by herself from PRISTINE AUCTION PRISTINE AUCTION DOT COM. Be Sure to use the registration code. Ballers bothers to get ten dollars back. Get a credit on your first sports memorabilia. Purchase let's talk some news news and notes from around the League right guys. It's a sad day oh the NFL draft never gets to make its debut abacus. No boats no boats. No it seems like just yesterday we were talking about the potential for players to fall into the water and now it just seems like obviously that doesn't matter at all so this thing can get done without all the fanfare in the crowds in Las Vegas. But it's not gonNA happen the NFL officially reported that. It's not gonNA happen if you want this to be taken as good news. You say like how I received it. Which is the draft in Las? Vegas has been cancelled and then you just say it's just the Vegas part of this cancelled is still on time and then it's like. Oh this is great news because I was like knows cancelled. Draft is happening on schedule. Which is is so good for fantasy because you know we talk about all the time for dynasty for our own rankings in the ultimate draft kit. We don't really start diving in until after the draft because it changes so much when it comes to standing players out now. We'll have the time that we usually have before. The ultimate draft kit before dynasty drafts. In those type of things to make sure that all the information is accurate and up-to-date so glad that the NFL draft is happening as scheduled. Just not where it was. It might be more interesting. What I've read. Is there going to be a whole bunch of you know looking into the war room? Because that's really the only footage that'll be a around and that stuff's always really interesting to me. I I WANNA see the owner reacting. I WANNA see how the coaches are handling everything. That's fun if we can get actual shots of You know like an it all we got a replay we gotta go back. Because and then showing like a coach reacting to the player that they wanted getting picked right before them mean. That would be incredible yellow. Are you asking for the xfl to take over the production of the next six months? Since I got nothing else to do the xfl did a lot of things right and one of those things was access and we want the people want access in the NFL draft. Yeah you're you're not wrong. It will be very interesting to see. I'm glad we have that content. I'm glad that we're fortunate enough. As fans of this sport to have the opportunity to still follow along with everything that's going on and according to the normal league year as it stands right now. Here's some more news for you. The Eagles have acquired cornerback area slave from the Lions in exchange for a twenty twenty third and fifth round draft pick. What was your reaction to this? Move as a you know. Well respected corner one of the weaknesses for Philadelphia. They pick them up and he's in that division he wanted out and so that's kind of forced his way but from the lion standpoint. This is just such a dumb dumb hundred right. Outta town Jason. What's that? How did you ride out of town? You know honest okay. Yes let me say all right. He wrote a sleigh. That's fine I mean. I don't know WHO's at fault there blame. Is that joke better in quarantine out. I think al. I think if we're together that'd be better but the reality is if they had the one year on his contract if they play them out then they get a third round pick for them compensatory plus his services now. They're basically getting a fifth rounder from the eagles standpoint. They desperately needed a playmaker in their secondary. Did they overpay him? Sure but every time you sign someone new. They're always overpaid and then the market resets and Yada Yada. I know that he has great numbers against Mario Cooper. Some my old. That's what I WAS GOING TO BRING UP WARREN. Sharp on twitter at Football. He did point out and highlight. Just how well Darius slay just that? Well Darius has performed against Amari Cooper in I mean he sensually just shuts him down. So that'll be a really fun man. If that we get to watch twice a year why whenever you see those numbers with high profile cornerbacks and what they do against high-profile wide receivers. Sometimes it shutting them down. Sometimes it's a team. Rotating the offense away from them. It doesn't really matter because it jacks up your fantasy production if you own Amari Cooper. Now he's got dairy slow in the division twice a year. So that is the kind of fantasy implication of this new before we get to the craziness of the rest of the free agency. Want to think a new sponsor today Thera gun and I want to thank them from the bottom. My heart goes. This thing is awesome. It doesn't matter who you are Super Athlete or trying to get back on. The Horse. Like me muscle pain. That's a real thing from working out. We've been playing pickle ball. We've been doing those things and all three of us have it. They're gone they're gone is is unbelievable. 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Treat your pain get back to your life try fair risk free for thirty days or your money back by going. The gun dot com slash footballers for a limited time listeners of our podcast. Get up to one hundred dollars off your device that's Thera Gun dot com slash footballers thera- gun dot com slash footballers free agent frenzy. I didn't get to participate in the last free agency frenzy episode of this show and so I am very excited to talk about. Some of these moves that we haven't talked about yet that you guys did not talk about on the last episode. So let's start with Todd Gurley. Let's start with Todd Gurley. The Rams released todd Gurley and then You know by the time you're your face. Went back to normal. After the release he signed a one year. Five million dollar contract with the Atlanta Falcons. What was your initial reaction? I think I tweeted what we always say on this show Mamas. Don't let your boys grow up to be running backs because look at this off season with todd. Gurley David Johnson Devante Freeman all of these big money contracts running backs and the dynasty owners. That thought you had something everlasting. Which by the way you never do at running back especially at any position really but certainly it running back here. Here's girly released. The key cog in this offense. How did you react well? But my my first thought was L. E. Atlanta. It's pretty decent landing spot and we've seen success out of the fantasy running back there Devante Freeman I mean. It's been a couple years since it happened. But at least it's a high powered offense if you look at what? Todd Gurley did last year salvaging his fantasy fantasy year. It was all touchdowns like that's how he got it done. And he got him by the boatload Banesto now he's in Atlanta Falcon Dan. Quinn his falcons. As long as Dan. Quinn has been the coach. The Falcons have always been top ten in offensive yards. A Quincy Defensive Guy. But he's he's surrounding him. Smell self smell. He's surrounding surrounding himself with some serious. Yeah he's Got Smart People Round and Matt Ryan is a very good quarterback unfortunately the last two years. These are numbers that we don't want to hear for todd. Gurley twenty ninth in rushing attempts last year. Two years ago thirtieth in rushing attempts. They had some good years like I said back in. Sixteen seventeen when it was devante. Freeman was great and then it was the freemen. Kevin Coleman Combo their offensive line. Nah granted they had a bunch of injuries. So it's always do they'll Mike. They're going to them again. Yeah it's built into Atlanta somehow point. They rb one rb to I mean. What do you think Mike what I would say that? Todd Gurley Deep. I would put him. I think he can still be running back. One A low worship and I've I've got him probably sneaking into that twelve spot. I would rather have him than David Johnson. If you're talking about two players that have changed teams. One of the things that really gets lost here on Todd. Gurley because the degenerative need the utilization of CJ Anderson two years ago and the fact that when they came out this last year all managed workload is the fact that he was healthy and he was he played and then all of a sudden the last seven games of the season when they were like. Oh Man we're not gonNA make the playoffs. We gotTa Make Day us. Tim like crazy. He was averaging almost seventeen touches per game over that stretch and during that stretch running back nine. Yeah Mike you're right. It was a lot in touchdowns at salvaged it but I think the thing that that really salvaged was the fact that they weren't using him in the passing game and all at I mean it was ridiculous. Girly this guy. Who's like one of the best pass catching running backs out there for the previous two seasons all of a sudden? It's like we're not gonNA do that anymore. And that's why I think Atlanta is good for Todd Gurley at least on a short scale not necessarily dynasty long-term value but I think that Matt Ryan will throw the ball a lot to todd Gurley. And that's going to up his fantasy value. We we've seen Kyle our editor the Borgen talk about vacated targets going to the running back position and you've got awesome. Hooper gone devante Freeman gone. I think Todd Gurley comes into a lot of receiving work for you you can have. You can have a situation where it is the smartest move for the rams to move on the financial ramifications and what. They've committed to all the questions that they have to undergo during the year and still have girly be a productive fantasy asset in Atlanta and there were a lot of worst destinations that he could have ended up in without question. Now inver I guess yeah like and we will. We will talk about. Melvin Gordon momentarily but I want. I don't want to forget the other side of this equation with Daryl Henderson and with the rams running game and where do you sit when you look at somebody like girly in next year's fantasy draft versus a guy like Darrell Henderson? Somebody with a League college production. Somebody that was. Yes a year too early on the hype but going to have an opportunity. But Malcolm Browne's there. What do you think for Henderson? It's it's tough. I've I honestly have off the top of my head. I have no idea where people are going to feel about him for his ADP but going back and just looking down looking at his rookie year. He did have two games week seven week. Eight back to back games were He. Had Eleven carries a both of those games. But what was the the cohesive piece there Malcolm Brown was gone? He was injured. And as soon as Malcolm Brown returned Daryl Henderson Shut Down Again. So it's very very disappointing to see a player with his draft capital for a team that needed to fill other other positions on the team instead. They went with Henderson the fact that he could not get on the field is highly. Find yourself concerned with that. You don't you. Don't just chalk it up to I. Don't really being in the backfield and the rookie. You know being a rookie learning the offense. I mean you and I both know what we saw on film from Henderson. Yes coming into last year and the explosive difference between him and Brown. I just I. It's kind of like Gore's what I mean. It's your versus single Terry last year to me eventually. Single Terry earns the opportunity. He did single Terry one out by the end of the year. Single Terry was the starting running back over Frank Gore. That didn't happen what they're Henderson. And Malcolm Brown is is still on the team. I gave if you'd look it's very very disconcerting to me. That Henderson could not get on the field. I agree with Mike. You're Malcolm Brown. Last year was the forgotten man who everybody was saying out of Los Angeles. Look this guy still. He's the backup he he's the number two guy and then he was the number two guy and then he got injured and then once he was back he was the number. Two guy so Could Daryl Henderson take over? Yeah he could but I don't just I don't just give that to him in fact I would expect them to spend a decent. I think they'll use high draft capital value on a running back and go get a replacement for girlie. That's a rookie rather than Give the ball to Daryl Henderson. As as the next back. That's my I think having it given to him isn't going to happen. You're not wrong there. I do think he will earn that. I think he will earn that opportunity based on you know. They made the investment in him in his in his history. But you're right Mike. I mean we haven't seen it on the field yet so it's just a you know you have to put your faith and belief in the player in the talent not the evidence yet and could be just another year of everyone. Drafting Daryl Henderson. And we're telling the FOOK LAND MALCOLM SCOOP UP Malcolm Brown late. Because they'll intercept or Darrell Henderson. Which prefer Dr Knell Anderson? Yes it's time to shine speaking about John Kelly. I mean if you're in a dynasty league saying in a guy going to say John Kelly is he realized yes I mean Look I love I know you own because I remember you talking about him and there but but I mean that's kind of the point grey college production. It didn't matter. It didn't matter because he wasn't used by the team and I wanted them. Db's we might draft capital pick though too and we were definitely not in consensus about John. Kelly I'll tell you that. Sure the draft capital I think is the big differentiator there because Kelly was think six rounder. Yeah all right. Melvin Gordon. Two year deal sixteen million dollars heads to the broncos kind of a head scratcher to me you. You look at the situation with an undrafted yet. Highly talented player and Philip Lindsey in Denver. And it can't help but remind you of Austin A very highly talented undrafted player in Los Angeles. And here's Melvin Gordon. Coming in to ruin the UNDRAFTED PARTY GORDON GOES TO DENVER. It's not the money I expected him to get on the open market. Certainly the money. He has no no. It's not it's all about revenge now. Mike. It's all about revenge when the money doesn't add up if you heard. He had an offer from another team for more money. Took less money so that he could play in division now. Nobody knows who that team is. And the only team. That was even rumored was the bills. Who came out and said we didn't make an offer so but that was technically mean like when when the chargers made them an offer like a year and a half ago right away more. That need excited to wait. It's so brutal and so if you want to start start talking about the actual implications being it was. It was a bad year for Melvin Gordon. A because he was two years ago. He was an absolute fantasy superstar. He only played in twelve games that year. And I mean we had the whole situation at the end of the year was like I let my fantasy a fantasy people down. I'M GONNA make it up to you and then we saw the drop. It's like man. This is a bad year except he went back to the efficiency of Melvin Gordon and then it turns out that two years ago he just had this outlier season where he was playing fantastic and then he went right back down to his hit the baseline of entire career in. So it's what does he have? What is actually going to bring to the Denver Broncos? And what's what what's the opportunity. Here is Royce Freeman just completely vanquished from the earth? I would guess yes but it wouldn't shock me at all. If all of a sudden now Denver is a three running back system no one on. That team has any fantasy value that you could possibly count on unless one of these players. Mrs Tub. Put them in order. I mean you are ongoing Gordon Lindsay. Right yes Gordon Gordon Lindsay yes. Yes Gordon Lindsay Freeman. I mean you with a stink face when you take either one of them. Yes I think so. Because we don't know for sure for Melvin Gordon have the fantasy value that his name is going to dictate his draft. You he's going to be highly drafted player because he's a longtime top five top six fantasy back and he signed a big contract and Yada Yada but in order for him to have he needs to be the true workhorse back and while past. Shurmur has a history of using a workhorse back. You know when when he's got saquon Barkley or something. He has a long history and he uses whatever talent he has on the team. Philip Lindsay is a talented player. I don't think anybody out there watches Philip Lindsay and says well that dude sucks and so I think he'll get on the field and that will hurt both. I think it's at least a two back. Timeshare here and Melvin. Gourds probably going to be overdrafted based on his name but I still think he will be relevant fantasy owner he fantasy player just because of volume. I'm I'm very concerned. With Lindsay's any of the pass catching numbers that we got from him before disintegrating and that representing a real deterioration of his fantasy value. Yeah I was going to speak to that where you had. The drew lock affect one. I mean Philip. Lindsay wasn't setting the world on fire with targets by any stretch but if once drew lock took over and drew. Lock is the quarterback of this team. He was seeing about two targets game. That is that is not going to get it done. That's the that's giving you know. Pr Bump at all. And and Melvin. Gordon needs those receptions. I I'm with you Jason. Then Guess Gordon will be usable fantasy running back because it's tough. It's tough in the streets to find a running back. That is not in a timeshare. My fear is simply how involved as Royce Freeman. Because if he is involved at all like last year he saw about thirty seven percent of the running back attempts. If freemen's involved then all three of these guys is going to be just a detriment. You're banging your head against the wall every single time you start one. Yeah the I tend to agree. You have anything to add. J. Or do you WANNA move onto. Maybe your favorite signing of the calendar year so fast. Let's move us move on all right. It's time for the van stance to take on a new challenger. Steelers have signed tight and Eric Hebron to a two year. Twelve million dollar contract. I have a note here in the show. Doc added by Judge Diamanti which is very hard for me to read because I'm distracted also by a picture of big bend dressed up as a gnome await big Ben and it says how high is Jason. How hype is Jason With Eric? Hebron to Pittsburgh it seems like a great opportunity for some touchdowns. Jason is hype. Jason Is High. I would say is Jay Jason. How hype is Jason? Jason Sipe Eric Brown. He's he's still a very young he's all yours. Twenty two. That's Augie run-ins but the thing is for his age at the tight end position. There are only a handful of people who have as many passing yards in receiving touch receiving yards receiving touchdowns as Eric Hebron does now he comes to a team that really needs another pass catcher. Assuming that Big Ben can get back to where he left off you know. He's a pretty much every year having a sixteen game pace nearly five thousand yards granted that was with Antonio Brown but obviously he can swing it around the you advance stance restructure his contract this season this off season. Take a little voice money. Yeah you WANNA stick around on the team. You'RE GONNA restructure. And then all the McKinnon and they go sign Eric Hebron so I think that that says you know. We always talk about watch. The money watched those transactions versus what the fluff is being said. The money says the Erica. Lebron's going to be their main receiving tied into the opportunity will be there but you know it's like a kind of joke about my love for Iran because it's not it's not true like I don't I don't sit here and think like he is the Great. I talk about carrying Johnson. Right I think carrying on Johnson is genuinely one of the best running backs in football. I genuinely believe I don't think Eric Hebron is one of the best tight ends and football. I do think for fantasy he will be relevant. He's had double digit touchdown seasons before. And if if big Ben Sir on the ball he'll be a weekly streaming great option as far as in the right match up it was. It was clear that it didn't add up for instance last year. I mean that that that's the best summary of the season. It didn't work out. You had the offensive coordinator coming out. You have those conversations about. Hey He's not going to get more snaps. You know like there's something that wasn't adding up and we see this at tight end you. You are grasping at straws. It tight in you are hoping for the burdens of the world. You know in years past and advanced answers one of those situations to I'm in on Hebron as you know somebody who's going to make make a contribution of fantasy teams more often than he doesn't do you realize like the bears. They really wanted to pass catching tight end. And so they went out and they signed Jimmy. Graham for I think two years fourteen million. And they didn't like when you rather have. And then a week later Eric. Hebron signs for two years twelve million. Jimmy Graham has that from you know that special spell that when he meets people in person he still looks like. He's very young. Yeah The lady in a what's the Sean thinking about what do not know. Go read thrones. Thank you yes right so we ask. He's got an amulet he wears to these meetings and I used to wear to the Games. I thought drew brees film and was like look at me. Look at me back. Then he somebody going like with some. Cgi Input Different Jersey on his his saints. Film no I don't know why. He keeps tricking people into being that valuable. You could. I would rather have Eric Hebron then Jimmy. Yes yes absolutely. I think I'm not on. I'm not in for e Brown. I think it'll just be a problem and like when you're going with the late tight ends. I want the guy who's at least going to be on the field. Sustainably and with Vanik vicks Vance McDonald's on the team he's going to be there he's going to help. The team is not gonNA help you fantasy team and I feel like that's what will be the same news for for Ebrahim I just. I'm getting ready to hear all of the reminders of Heath Miller and big band and what the offseason used to be like and those me last season was like with he he all right Emmanuel Sanders big signing goes to the forty niners two years. Six arm sorry from the forty niners now to the saints. Two Years Sixteen million dollars. This is my favorite signing of the offseason so perfect fit for breeze not necessarily for Sanders. Okay that's every week ask but in terms of a player team fit. I I love it. Yeah I think it's it's massive for for breeze if you look at what the what the team was dealing with last year. I mean you got Michael. Thomas of course is the undisputed number one fantasy wide receiver right. Now you add camera and you've you've jeered kick your Kook. That was it. I mean if you're talking about what other wide receivers of notes no one emerged for this team Emmanuel. Sanders can still absolutely get done he will. He'll he'll flash he'll have you know two or three games where he'll just put up insane fantasy production and people go out and they'll throw grabbing from the waiver wire and then he won't do anything and he'll be toss right back to the waiver wire but in terms of drew brees who had. I mean one of his best statistical seasons ever last year. It's pretty exciting. That maybe maybe breeze can keep it up and still be a high level. Fancy quarterback is any cold water for Michael Thomas. That's the question I was just going to bring up You Know I. I don't think anybody is worried about Michael Thomas. You're not out there saying no Emmanuel Sanders showed up. Now he's not going to be the one But I do think if you're talking about not going to be the number one wide receiver and fantasy doesn't that makes that makes a little bit of sense because you know his market share you basically see every play. It's it's just whereas Michael Thomas. Let me throw him the ball every single play. And when you've got a really good quality route run on the other side Emmanuel Sanders. It's going to be better for the saints to utilize him and I think that you know that will take a little bit of the target market. Share away from Michael Thomas. But you're still talking about definitely a top five wide receiver. But I don't know that he'll be my number one wide receiver. Mike is Sanders. A top thirty six guy in the situation he he might be one of those players that he finishes inside the top thirty six. You're not going to be getting consistent wide receiver three numbers for him. Okay we also have Brian Hoyer signing economy mediocre signing of the week. Can I ask a quick question? Yes go ahead. Who Has Brian Hoyer Dynasty? Yeah I saw you spent eleven bucks for the bag just flex on Brian Hoyer. It pays to learn. The offense is of various teams. When you're a backup quarterback because then they just you know as soon as they move away from their starter. You've got you you get to come in and make your one year contract money. Well we talked about this with Jarrett. Stidham the fact that he might he might actually be the starter citing solely because if OJ's or shortened you just don't have time to institute a new playbook to new quarterback quite the same Because of the current affairs. And so what do they do they go out and get a backup? Who has been in the system and knows it and Hoyer Hoyer and his agent. They came out He was he was offered. I forget the contract but it was. It was detailed. He turned down more money so that he could have the chance to start. That's what he was promised that he can have the chance to compete for the starting role. That's he took that job and so I don't know that Jarrett Stidham is going to win. I think Brian I would put the odds at Brian. Hoyer being the week. One starter right now all right. Let's get into some mailbag mailbag. All right didn't mention Nelson Aguilar by the way I wanted to save. The mailbag was so flooded with Aguilar related questions. I think that the I mean there's I I believe I have created a theory that they've signed Nelson Agla to ensure. Then get Marcus Mariota on the field because the worst Galore does the worst Derek Carr looks and then it's like okay. Well we gotta we gotTA bring in Mario. It just seems like over thinking it a little bit. You should just probably just play. Mario if you WANNA do that. Why why sign Nelson Agley? He seems to benefit from this situation a lot. They did pay Mario to quite a bit as a backup fully guaranteeing that first year so he. He's definitely going to be pushing. Car does not no. He's no good. That is also problem with that and I am sorry to say because I loved him coming out and it seemed like he was he was heading that direction you remember when he was just insanely efficient in the red zone in. That team was winning games. What happened dude? He was throwing touchdowns to himself. It was awesome. That was back when he was good in. Tannahill stunk now. Tannehill is good. And He's thinking all right. That's what Tennessee hopes. Yeah all right. We're in the mail bag if you have a question go to the website. Fantasy FOOTBALLERS DOT com. Click the submit a question button. You can also dial our voicemail hotline three zero two four six four T. Ffb We want to help you out. We've got James Connor question from somebody named James in Sacramento Wall. All right. Hi Guys. I love the show. What does the dynasty owner do with James Connor? We started last year and Well he was pretty much bust. Does he come back to form as the trade value? This is an important question. Dynasty owners with James. Connor are shaking in their boots. I don't I don't know that he has much trade value. If I mean you might be able to trade four James Connor. Because I just don't think you're GONNA get much from an owner. I think you have to hold on and hope that he's the guy. We saw two things last year from James Connor one. He was still pretty good when he was out there. And obviously the offense dunk without Big Ben. So there's optimism here reason to believe that with the good offense you pretty much delete all the performances right Juju You know everybody. That was a steeler. Say well that wasn't their fault. They didn't have a quarterback but the other thing we saw was like this guy cannot stay on the field and it wasn't as simple as like a tornado. Every game hurt shoulder hurts his hip. I don't just he left. You know how many games did he finally come back from missing a week or two then play a quarter and leave the game? So I'm not you did. The team didn't give him a free pass. Either in the offseason in other ways like a fantasy wants to look at that situation and say maybe you can just throw it out. At least the team publicly came out and said look. That's not what we expected from James. Connor Yeah I would. I would jump in and say I. His trade value is is not very high. If I have James Connor out probably just hang on to him. Because I I agree with Jason when when James Connor was on the field he was productive he was Bhai far the best running back on that team. It wouldn't be surprising to have the the the band get back together and have Mike. Tomlin continued to do what he does. Which is he prefers to rely on one running back at least. That's what we have seen in a pretty Historical career so far so I would hold connor and just hope. He stays healthy because if if he had stayed healthy last year. I think he would have been just fine for fantasy. Maybe not right but at least let me ask you this. Mike. Let's say they don't draft a another running back or go out and sign someone. They they roll with Benny Snell. James Connor hope that Big Ben Fixes that you were very bullish on James Carnegie coming into this season based on watching him injured. Left right and center do you now like as a drafter come this season. He is the main guy. Are you going to be bullish? Again is or does the risk kind of turn you. I will be very bullish for his production but you can't ignore the the the health risks that he that he showed last year so I mean which will it will price into his his average draft position accordingly. We'll see where that is. But if you're saying like James Connor is going in the the like the fourth round or so then I'd be pretty bullish on on taking the shot. There'll be a team. I really want to see if they spend any money in the off season at the running back position. They one of those guys that is out. There could end up on any backfield just because they didn't have reliability beyond connor last year. I'll be very curious to see if that happens all right. This next question comes in from James in Florida. Apparently we only accept questions from people named Jane. Is this your kindness as part of what our show is about So to all the James is out there. Congrats all right. Who who is your favorite of the three giants wide receivers going into the season is a great question. I mean Darius Slayton Surly Shepherd Golden Tate half point. Pr League how on Earth to make this decision has a fantasy owner. I think you make this decision by looking at your team needs right. I mean both. I think all of these guys are going to be later drafted players. So did you take wide receivers early? Did you take solid guys where you know? The only way that a guy's GonNa crack your roster here is if he blows up and does something special to me. That would be dairy. Slayton I would. I would take that risk that he looked great. He was a rookie this year. He had some major breakout games. And I think it's possible he becomes you know legit number one wide receiver now. Is that probable? Probably not which is why he's GonNa be later and dress but if you were very running back heavy and you just need more of a sure thing but you're you know just a plug a wide receiver whole i. I would say that that's shepherd to me and I I don't know where taste is really. My answer is nice. That's my only no. I'm with Andy I'm with. I'm not not take because I know that what Jason described about. Slayton's potential breakout or shepherd being healthy and consistent like both of those look like upsides imitate is on the back half of his career. And those other guys are there. So I I I feel like not tate as my only answer. Why do you like him more? I mean he's now he'll be on the second year of of a very large contract at the team gave domain and he was actually pretty good. I mean I'm looking through the game logs right now and if you his first game back was really bad. But then one hundred yards eight yards eighty five yards ninety five yards a couple of games after that. Finish the season The second to last week with ninety six yards like gold. Tate wasn't bad by any stretch. If you throw out the first game when he was back he was averaging almost eight targets. Game nearly five receptions and sixty snow shepherd free that one off the top of my head. I can't remember which added missed. I'm just worried about upside like with. I'm if I'm as fine a pick later on on a run a wide receiver. That's I think it will be involved but like I'm talking you know. Was He going to have? Maybe four receptions five receptions I I'm I'm unsure about that offense in general that's fair I mean it's it's tough because I think that Daniel Jones will provide I think Danny Jones will provide fantasy value for somewhat maybe ends up becoming Slayton who emerges but for now if like I'm choosing right now because James Make me choose right now I'll take the guy who had a pretty decent year and is still getting paid a lot of he's being paid to be the Guy Guy all right Jason. You have to pick one if I have to. When I'M GONNA go with Daria Slayton. I really liked what I saw A rookie with the rookie quarterback. I think those two young men are going to grow together. All right. And I'll go with the big money of Sterling Shepard who got paid as well so that way we can each answer different. Welcome James to support. Our James is out there all right James from twitter. No this one actually. It's Michael He has a question he says what is the best Doritos flavor is important. Question around your quarantined. You're you're probably in a position where you're within each of some Doritos right now. I have been eating a lot of this is. This is not a joke. Hashtag sponsor no. Yeah they they are not a sponsor I would gladly sponsored doritos. But I'm I'm playing. I'm boring when it comes to readers. But the the NACHO cheese my Nacho cheese is the best but I I really liked the spicy nacho cheese nacho cheese has got a little kick because I'm not why is that considered plane I mean. Isn't it like that's the default that and cool? Renato Right. Those are the two right. Yeah those just they're the default flavors. Torito's if you just say Doritos I think I think everyone really. Yeah that's your default thought and Albor Alborn and I see him sending a note. He says cool. Ranch is the cool ranch. I'm not saying that you might not prefer. I'm just saying if you think of Doritos in general now you don't see the. The NACHO bag is used to think I think of them as equals as cool ranch cheese. You just choose each one the equals. I'm with you there Andy. They're in tier one by themself. Both of them. Yes thank you Brooks says Brooks if someone were to just say You know here. Here's here's here. Have an ultra here. Here's a Dorito. What do you expect them to hand you there only handing you one chip okay? Okay expecting the NACHO cheese. Yeah Oh come on Brooks. He's an on. I would have to say what flavor is this. I don't have a default. We need to pull the audience. This is something I need to know. If I'm out there all right. Let's go here twitter This one comes in from the sweet. Engineering says had a dynasty offer. Just pop up de que metcalf in Josh Jacobs for saquon Barkley. Ooh Who so you do there with Jacobs not emmy. He's got so much. Potential mccafe has potential. I mean that that is a very I think as a very fair trade And I would prefer the Saquon side I think because the longevity is going to be with metcalf over either of these two running backs in so depth wise which is important for dynasty. That's on the decay metcalf. Josh Jacob side but winning championships it takes star players takes players who basically score. You know like having two players in one position. And maybe JOSH JACOBS GETS. They're talking about upping his passing work but SAQUON is there he has been there. And so. If you've got a chance to get saquon I think I would. I would take that. What about you too. I agree I agree. It's partly like you said Jacobs could get their saquon. Is there take trae maker? Yeah yeah probably is all right. Jet In Syracuse says Hey ballers should I keep golladay in the fifth or AJ Brown in the thirteenth round? Come on and Jan. The rounds are too large. Like I I. I think it is a fair question to say who finishes higher next year. Kenny Golladay or AJ Brown. That's to me as would be a very spirited debate for fantasy finished but for the Thursday. Change Your opinion at all Mike O. N. E. G. Kennedy was the wide receiver six last year. Like he's Kenny. God a broke out and it's it's real. He's an excellent player. Assuming that Matt Stafford is back to Health Kennedy. Golly I I would project them to be a top twelve wide receiver. Maybe this isn't as easy as we think it is. I think what you're saying is because I know because Matthew Stafford back kindergarten they finish that high. You have a fifth rounder. I mean if you substituted Michael Thomas in the fifth or AJ Brandon the thirteenth. What's Your Answer Michael? Thomas Micheal Thomas Okay. So it's not you know it's not just that the fact that Brown is basically free here. No I'm curious. Yeah it's not but I mean you know the fifth round is still. They're still valuable pieces. You're going to get their starters not flyers for your team and you know I think in the thirteenth round you're taking flyers and if AJ Brown out produces collagen extra. Nobody's GONNA be surprised. Nobody's got are shocked. You know like I I would take golladay overage Lebron's these guys were both in the fifth or even maybe a fifth sixth. Okay you know I lean towards Golladay but if you're telling me I get free. Fifth Rounder to pick an ad to AJ Brown. I'd rather have that than Golladay plus a thirteenth rounder right. I tried I tried to make it harder. I played some sweet jazz smooth jazz. Yeah all right. That is going to do it for ask the fantasy football is here on this fine Tuesday. Hope you enjoyed the show you can find us on Youtube. Youtube dot com slash. The fantasy footballers and make sure you subscribe. Click the Bell Mike. While I was sick this past week I really enjoyed watching. You make a drop. It gave you a new respect for you as a person that's amazing because it gave me so much less respect thank took five minutes. And he's got a sweet drought looks cindy he came home and then just download them. I didn't realize that he actually played the guitar. Just sure there's there's actual proof up there on the Youtube now that I do. It was really fun. So make sure you check that out on the Youtube as well on twitter at the F. F. ballers and we will be back with you. Thursday has been a lot of fun. I'm glad we're glad we're back at it as a three pack. That is correct. Everyone stay safe out there. If you can stay home please do that. Be kind everyone goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast join our fantasy football community on join the foot. Dot Com and follow us on twitter at the F. F. ballers.

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