20 Episode results for "Eric Garner"
Five years after Eric Garner
"Kamera Carter was a black man listened Staten Island kind of neighborhood fixtures offer folks. You've lived in any big city New York. Certainly you have the people who are just I around. The Guy who runs the Bodega. The woman who sells you know beads in the park and Eric Garner was just one of those people who was known around the neighborhood for selling cigarettes so in New York City there are very very high sin taxes on cigarettes are very expensive and so once this is done is it's created a black market for cigarettes and so what people do is they drive down the states like Virginia where the taxes are much lower by cartons and cases of cigarettes than drive them back up to New York where they sell them either one or two timer buy a pack. It's a lucrative little market. It's all of this brings July. Seventeenth Twenty Fourteen Eric Garner had a few run INS with the police piece where they had either arrested him or talk to him about selling untaxed cigarettes. One of the commanding officers for the local police precinct is driving into the office Caesar people standing on a street free corner according to witnesses who were kind of supporting Eric Garner and critical of the police account there had been a fight that had broken out between two men Air Gardner jumped into try to stop it as he stops the fight. The responding police officers arrive and may immediately begin to attempt to arrest him saying that they saw him selling cigarettes. It's unclear if Garner was selling cigarettes that day. He did have cigarettes on him. They found them later when they searched his body but either way the police officers show up. They say they're going to arrest him. He he says arrest me for what who did. I sell a cigarette to while you guys harassing me. He was kind of very clearly trying to argue his way out of the citation when the officers responded decide that they're going to move in. It's an officer moves in from in front of have another officer from behind him and the officer who comes behind him Daniel Pantaleo ends up with his arm wrapped around Eric Garner's neck they fall to the ground and as multiple people record Eric Garner says you know I can't breathe says about you know a dozen times ultimately loses consciousness and dies so Eric Garner's death ends up sending shockwaves around the country. People forget that this was months before Ferguson and Michael Brown was was months before Tamir rice in Cleveland Year before Freddie Gray in Baltimore. This is one of the first of these cases where people watched a police killing on bystander tape. The massive protests in New York City there were calls for the officers to be charged to be fired ultimately silently. There's no criminal charges brought by the local grand jury but the federal government decides. It's going to open an investigation. I'm here to announce that the Justice Department will proceed with a federal civil rights investigation into Mr Garner's death the N._y._p._d.. Is Investigating the case to see if these officers violated any policies and meanwhile I can't breathe Air Garner's final words become this rallying cry at police brutality and police reform protests. The protests are growing larger and spreading across the country including Boston and Chicago it. It was a ton of scrutiny around the police tactics in this case. Choke holds are banned under the N._Y._p._d.. So there's this big debate over technically whether or not the officer used a chokehold and the chokehold they define as any hold that might impede the neck or the airway and so it's not a specific type of grab rather speaks to a whole genre of any type of hold that might cut off someone's breathing and so there was this kind of massive controversy around whether these officers should be fired to be charged with a crime because it was clear from the video that for at least some men of time this officer's arm was around Eric Gardner's neck. It later came out that they processed his arrest after he'd been killed so they they filed the arrest so they will get credit for it. Even though he died later came out that one of their superior officers sent text messages saying well. It's no big deal you guys were enacting lawful arrest and so there was a ton of scrutiny not only of the incident itself but of the officers at how they behaved afterwards since two thousand fourteen federal government has been looking at this case trying to decide decide if the officers involved had violated Eric Garner Civil Rights and Wesley you've been covering the story for the Washington Post and it sort of came to a head last week five years after Eric Garner died when the Justice Department issued a decision concerning their own civil rights investigation we hope that by announcing and explaining decision today we can bring some of closure to one of the city's more upsetting incidents involving the police and a member of our community so is there now any official word on whether this was a chokehold. They're still an open debate when internal affairs N._Y._P._d.. Investigated in this case they concluded there was enough evidence to believe the officer broke the chokehold policy but because of the way the internal processes work in order for that office should be punished for that he gets to go to an internal trial that trial. L. was held earlier this year and we're still waiting to hear what the results of that trial will be. Whether or not this officer will face any internal discipline for violating the policy if he did violate the policy and in the intervening years there's also been a ton of scrutiny on Eric Garner himself. How's he been portrayed by the N._Y._p._d.? And those who side with the cops here as you see very often there is a rush to put out any information about previous criminal activity activity our previous arrest there was a ton of focus around Eric Garner and if only he had been more compliant was the argument that was being made the Police Union and the attorneys for officer Pantaleo focused very heavily on Eric Gardner's Health Eric Garner. It was a very large man more than six feet tall more than three hundred and fifty pounds one point in court. The attorney for the officer says that a bear hug could have killed Eric Garner right and so what they tried to flip it around and argue is that it was Eric Garner's fault fault he died. It wasn't because of the police tactics so what exactly the Department of Justice decide last week the Department of Justice announced they will be no federal charges for officer Pantaleo or any of the other officers we are here to announce that after an exhaustive investigation department of Justice had reached the conclusion that insufficient evidence exists to prove beyond the reasonable doubt that the police officers who arrested Eric Garner in staten island on July seventeen to two thousand fourteen acted in violation of the federal enroll criminal civil rights consequently the investigation into this incident has been close. What this decision is about is about were Eric Garner's civil rights? It's violated it's not was there an assault or was there a local statute that was broken but rather Eric Garner has federal civil rights and did these officers do something that deprived him of those rights now. This case was one one where there was a lot of expectation. Maybe there was a chance that charges would be brought because there was a video of Eric Garner saying he could not breathe and saying it over and over and over again. There was an argument to be made that if you're choking someone and they tell you you can't they can't breathe leave and you continue doing it. You know you're not knowingly choking them. You're knowingly keeping them breathing. This was highly contentious within the Department of Justice. There were investigators in Washington D._C.. Who really wanted to bring charges there investigators in New York who did not and so this is something that's been kicked around for years going back to the Obama Administration about whether or not charges would be brought ultimately they were coming up on the five year statute of limitations? The Attorney General William Bar made the decision himself. He said you know what we're not charging. Let's just wrap this up and move on and so something that was really disappointing to a lot of supporters of the Gardner family in the Garner family themselves. I'm into a lot of the activists who wanted to see some level of accountability here and this was one of the earlier incidents in recent memory where we saw. saw video of an officer involved killing of a black man people watch this death. Transpire is the D._O._J.. Saying that evidence wasn't enough so in a case like this things that would come into account <hes> would be not just just what we watch the video but what the officer's mindset was in that moment did the officer genuinely believe he was choking Eric Garner was he doing it purposely or was it. Inadvertent was the situation moving so quickly that he didn't have any opportunity to undo what he he was doing beyond that there are also a lot of good faith disagreements very often. When you talk to folks who are more sympathetic to law enforcement there are people who Ashley Eric Garner video and and they don't think that they see anything that is wrong right the do they wish it looked different or happen differently yes but they would argue that he shouldn't be resisted? There is a complication if only because is the law is very permissive. Police officers police officers are allowed to use force. They're allowed to use deadly force <hes> they are allowed to tackle or take down people who aren't complying with them into at what point does something that is just messy. Police work turned turning to something that's criminal <music>. I know what you're thinking when I travel. I don't WanNa take my electric toothbrush because my electric toothbrush is bulky gunky. It's got a cord. It's too much of a hassle. I'm just going to bring this old fashioned toothbrush with me and call it a day. The clip electric toothbrush has good news for you. It isn't that bulky. It's spelt. It's got a very modern design. It doesn't have a charger. It just takes the battery. It doesn't get that donkey because there aren't like weird grooves that hold dunk better still the battery. I mentioned typically lasts about three months. That's like two to three daily brushes so you can take that thing traveling with you and like not come. I'm back for a while and you'll be good friend of the show. Johnny Harris has taken his trip to Hong Kong to India to Sri Lanka no complaints right now but quit starts at just twenty five dollars and you can get yours get quip dot com slash explained your I refills comes for Free G. T. Q. I._P.. Dot Com slash explained <music> Wesley this decision from the Department of Justice last week represents just one of many legal procedures related to this case what else has happened since July seventeenth twenty fourteen C of this most recent department of Justice decision you. Also have local grand jury decision not to prosecute the officers involved. You have a N._y._p._d.. Internal trial which is to decide whether or not officer Pantaleo violated the chokehold policy the decision is still out on that and it's up to the Commissioner missionary to make a call about whether or not the officer will be punished. We've seen movement at the state level in New York <hes> to involve special attorneys and special prosecutors in cases of police deaths in part because they were real frustrations about whether or not the the local district attorneys were unbiased enough to handle this case and meanwhile the Garner family brought a lawsuit that ultimately was settled <hes> and so they received a large payout New York City officials have agreed to pay Garner's family five point nine million dollars to resolve the claim over his death was that a moment of sort of relief was at a moment where the Garner family and the supporters of Eric Garner felt vindicated in some way and that there was sort of fault assessed in this case. I think very often in those moments actually added frustration. This is not a victory. The victory will come when we get justice then we want to have a victory party. You've had the officer not face any legal consequence and yet the city is admitting they have millions of dollars of liability that you killed my loved one and you agree. It was so agree just that you're willing to pay me all types of money but the person who did it isn't GonNa face any consequence right and so very often these settlements while I think the families families certainly want that vindication about nation often can be kind of bitter sweet because often. It's the only level of acknowledgement they're going to receive and what these families want is. They want the person who did the thing to be punished and do we know how how the family felt about this decision last week from the D._O._J.. Five years ago my son said I can't breathe eleven times. There were really upset and today we can't pre they thought this was a massive disappointment. When are you going to fire officer? You thought there was an abdication of responsibility that they thought it was clear. These officers were fault and they were really frustrated. Now the pivot a lot of that back to apply additional pressure to the Police Department who still has to make a decision whether or not it's going to punish the officers and we're asking that commissioner to make the right decision to those a lot of discussion around that but there was unquestionable. The family was very upset with this decision. I'm going to stand outside and I'M GONNA scream. He needs to be what's going on with officer Pantaleo. What's his life been like since this incident about five years ago he remains employed by the N._Y._p._D.'s man desk duty for five for years in fact is working overtime shifts? He's still you know being paid by the taxpayer store for N._Y._P._d.. But he's never really discussed this case. His attorneys have said that he wants to go back to being a police officer that he is frustrated. He's lost so much time on the job but it is really interesting very often these officers themselves kind of disappear into the background and and he certainly has done that I mean he didn't pull out his gun and shoot Eric Garner. He put him in a chokehold. It is reasonable to think that he didn't have the intention of killing him that day. Has He ever expressed regret or remorse for what happened or for what he did a small portion of what he said to internal affairs was read read during the trial and he says that he wasn't trying to choke him that his intention wasn't to touch Garner's neck at all rather he was just trying to bring him down but again it gets to that crucial underlying question when you're talking about the police when the police have the ability to kill people people and take people's freedom and take people's rights away. Does the intention matter or to the results matter what we know is there Gardner is dead and so I do think it's important to wrestle with what the officer intend to do but I think they're also reasonable people who argue well who really cares what he was trying to do. We know what he did do and are there consequences for what the outcome was. No matter the intention the black lives matter movement really rallied around Garner's family against Pantaleo. We don't really hear ear as much about that movement anymore but there were demonstrations in New York last week. What does the D._O._J.? Decision mean for that group and its mission. I think in many ways activists I talked to are more motivated by this very often. They don't expect charges to be brought right. They've been to this time and time again. They saw this in Ferguson. They saw this in Cleveland Tamir Rice. I saw this in Baltimore where there were some charges brought then ultimately all the kate legal cases fell apart right again the legal system itself is not necessarily a mechanism for justice involves the police because our laws are so permissive of police behavior and so I think that for many of the activists they don't tie up their have perception of whether they're winning or losing solely and whether or not charges are broad or file or if someone's convicted because they accept as a premise very often these police officers are going to be cleared <hes> in these cases <music> I think one of the primary takeaways from the last few years and the rise of the black lives matter movement from all of these killings on video is the tension between the legal standard and the societal standard that many things that police officers do have involved actions and behaviors that people when they view them themselves are unhappy with do not think there are things the police should be doing it. There's a Gulf between what the society expects of its officers and what is illegal for officers I to do so many people watch the Eric Garner video and they say this is unacceptable. This should not have happened but by the letter of the law what happened Air Gardner was not illegal right and I think there's a tension there right and so it creates additional a pressure to either up the standards the expectations of officers or to accept that were to continue to see these types of videos where where the public is outrage and yet. There's not actually much legal recourse <music> Wesley. Lowery is a national reporter for the Washington Post.
A Decision in the Eric Garner Case
"From The New York Times I'm Michael Barr. This is the daily today the Justice Department will not bring federal charges. Go against the officer involved in the death of Eric Garner Ashley South Hall on why that decision was reached five years after I can't breathe became a national rallying cry. It's Wednesday toy seventeenth actually tell me what happened on on Tuesday the morning thank you for coming today. So the United States attorney for the Eastern District of Newark Richard Donahue whose office is based in Brooklyn but also overseas Staten Island came out and <unk> said before I continue let me say as clearly and unequivocally as I can that Mr Garner's death was a tragedy for anyone to die on just circumstances like these this is a tremendous loss they've done an exhaustive review. They've looked at every piece of evidence but with these unassailable facts or separate and distinct from whether a federal crime has been committed and the evidence here it does not support charging police officer Daniel Pantaleo for any other officer with a federal criminal civil rights violation that they would not bring charges against any of the officers occurs involved in Eric Garner's death on July seventeenth two thousand fourteen we know and understand that some will be disappointed by this decision but it is the conclusion that is compelled by the evidence in the law. He's making this announcement went one day before the fifth anniversary of Eric Garner's death which is important because for the charge that they thought was appropriate in this case they only had five years to decide whether to bring it so this is the last possible moment to bring this charge exactly and at the end of the day that prevailing consensus was that they could not do that in this case consequently. The investigation into this incident has been closed and remind us of the details details of this case of what happened Te Eric Garner where this case begins the case starts on July seventeen two thousand fourteen on hot summer day and Staten Island the police say that a man by the name of Eric Garner has died during an attempt to arrest him. There's no mention of any kind of use of force no mention of a choke hold and then the next morning the police and the public wake up to this video scurries for China lock somebody up for breaking up a fight it shows two officers Jeff D'Amico and Daniel Pantaleo Approach Eric Garner on a street and Tompkins Ville and they accused him of selling cigarettes and he says no man. I'm not selling anything. I'm just minding my business. Leave me alone. It still snows on for about ten minutes after D'Amico moves into trying to handcuff Eric Garner and he flails his hands away then. So you have officer Pantaleo attempts take down. They fall back into your plate glass. Michigan is four hundred pounds officer. Pennsylvania was probably another one ninety two hundred glasses going to buckle so then they fall forward onto the sidewalk and that's where they get Mr Garner prone and handcuff him and other officers have arrived at the scene by then. They're about seven seconds. When you see officer Pantaleo 's arm around Eric Garner's neck at some point he releases and Mr Garner is saying I can't I can't breathe? I can't breathe. I can't breathe yields says it eleven times E._M._S.. Eventually arrives they don't have any oxygen everybody now back and he was later pronounced at the hospital. What what happens in the aftermath of this video being released so pretty much right away there are calls for officer Pantaleo to be fired and for him and other officers to be criminally charged both for Eric Garner's death but also for the omissions of the use of force from official reports because until this video is released the officers involved in the encounter they haven't mentioned any of the tactics that they've used correct correct and then three things happened simultaneously? The police internal affairs bureau begins looking into the incident to see if any protocols violated at the same time the Staten Island district attorney is looking at whether a crime was was committed and then begins to present evidence to a grand jury and at the same time the feds are also looking in on these investigations trying to see what evidence there is but at that moment they're not yet investigating eating because there is a local process that has the play out and when you say the feds you mean the department the Department of Justice so my sense is that this is all moving as would be expected in a case like this but what's different than a month after this happens Michael Brown is shot shot in Ferguson and the issue of how police treat unarmed black Americans becomes a major national issue correct but it's an issue. That's been bubbling up for some time if you will reverse back to two thousand twelve when remarkably Charlie Graham was shot and killed by New York City police officer he was unarmed officer Richard Haste was indicted for manslaughter but a judge reluctantly throughout the indictment and may on procedural grounds then a few weeks later you have trayvon Martin who was killed by vigilante in Florida. We have just learned that the jury has determined that Zimmerman is not guilty of any crime Krim then you have Eric Garner in July two thousand fourteen followed by Michael Brown that August the conclusion Asian that police officer Darren Wilson was not guilty of a crime when he shot Michael Brown to death on August night and then you have kind girly and Tamir Rice within days of each other a grand jury decided not to indict Timothy Lohman who shot and killed twelve enrolled Tamir Rice so people are seeing this pattern of unarmed black men and boys and even some women being killed by the police and no one being held responsible or accountable for their deaths and that is the backdrop for the decision by the Grand Jury Staten Island in December two thousand fourteen that there isn't enough evidence to prove that officer Pantaleo committed a crime so like the D._O._J.. This week the investigation by the Staten Island District Attorney. Attorney all the way back in two thousand fourteen finds that there is not sufficient evidence yes and to the public that's infuriating because keep in mind that in the months between Eric Garner's death in July and the grand jury's decision in December the public has learned that the medical examiner who is a pathologist deemed this a homicide and they also learned that for at least twenty years choke holes have been explicitly banned by the Police Department and what people saw on that video was an officer using a band chokehold and Mr garnered dying very back at Delta we fly to three hundred cities. That's three hundred cities where people in the car poorly three hundred cities where people miss someone in one of our other two hundred ninety nine cities we don't fly to three hundred cities merely to bring us together but to this show us we're not that far apart doubts keep climbing and what do we know about how this grand jury decided not to press charges in would seem to so many from the video like a clear cut case one thing that the grand jury also heard that the public did not was testimony from officer Pantaleo about what he intended to do and he got up there in front one of them and said that it was not his intent to use a chokehold it was not his intent to harm Mr Garner or to kill him. It was his intent to bring him down and affect an arrest as he had been ordered to do and that testimony it sounds like becomes important the question of intent yes because the standard of proof in a criminal case is that the prosecutor needs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer willfully acted in violation of the law that it was an officer's intent and his will to violate the law and for that grand jury the decision not to press charges indicates the evidence in meeting that standard and what about the fact that the use of a chokehold had been banned by police regardless of intent didn't he use an illegal practice and wasn't that weighed by the grand jury what officer Pantaleo told the Internal Affairs Bureau and later the grand jury was that he wasn't intending to use a chokehold. He said he was trying to use a seatbelt technique which is a tactic approved by the N._y._p._d.. And taught at at the police academy and it's another kind of restraint yes and what his lawyers have also pointed out is that whether it was a seat belt or chokehold once they're on the ground and Mr Garner begins to grunt and say I can't breathe. He releases him so after after the district attorney decides not to press charges what happens to the case of Eric Garner so you'll remember that this whole time the Department of Justice has been watching the investigation play out and wants to local investigation is done. It's now in their territory good evening. I want to provide an update regarding the case involving Eric Garner and when the Department of Justice steps in Ashley. What are they looking at? Is it a new question. Or are they basically investigating the same things as the city so what the grand jury in Staten Island was looking at was whether officer Pantaleo committed a crime now that the local investigation has concluded. I'm here to announce that the Justice Justice Department will proceed with a federal civil rights investigation into Mr Garner's death here. The federal government is looking at whether his crime was violating Eric Garner's civil rights this afternoon I spoke with the widow Oh of Eric Garner to inform her and her family of our decision to investigate potential federal civil rights violations and in this case there were two key things that they wanted to establish or that they felt they needed to establish one that the force officer Pantaleo used to subdue Mr Garner was objectively unreasonable that a police officer acting in those circumstances could recognize what he did as just too much and then the second thing that they wanted to establish was that his conduct was a willful violation of law that he knew the law and that he acted in a way that disregarded it and by those measures did the Department of Justice feel that it had a strong case to bring against this officer so this is the question that they were asking themselves over the more than four years that they were investigating this incident and there was a lot of disagreement between mostly civil rights prosecutors in Washington who thought they should bring charges and thought there was enough evidence there and then the prosecutors in Brooklyn who were going to be the ones you had to prosecute the case who thought that it was not winnable and what's your understanding of why those two sides disagreed in what was Washington thinking and what was New York thinking for what we know it really came down to the wilfulness on the video. Some prosecutors thought that the fact that officer Pantaleo kept his arm around Eric Garner snacked even after they were on the ground show that he willfully disregarded the law in Brooklyn they were not so sure and part of that. You can imagine this from officer Pantaleo testimony that that his intent was not to hurt him. His intent was to arrest him so all the while that prosecutors are conducting their investigation allegation and dealing with these questions about whether they have a case and whether they can win it. The White House changes hands from President Obama to president trump we go through a series of attorneys General Eric Holder Loretta Lynch Jeff Sessions who are all overseeing this case from Washington and then you end up with bill bar our current attorney general and the decision ultimately who ultimately makes decision in himself in order for a federal criminal civil rights charges to be brought the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that an officer willfully used more force than he reasonably reasonably could have believed was necessary under the circumstances and the law recognizes that police are often forced to make split-second judgments in circumstances that are tents uncertain and rapidly devolving so one of the main questions of this case is whether or not officer Pantaleo actually use a chokehold as Mr Garner an officer Pantaleo struggled officer Pantaleo held onto Mr Garner and both men fell backward in the process officer panel. A._O._L.'s body slammed against a store window causing the window to buckle and then explanation Mr Donahue said yes he did it appears. That in response to that collision and to maintain a hold on Mr Garner officer Pantaleo wrapped his left arm around Mr Gordon's neck resulting in what was in effect a chokehold but here's how prosecutors dealt with that question like many of you. I've watched that video many times and each time I've watched it. I'm left with the same reaction. There's an emotional side. That looks at that tape and says is that the death of Eric Gordon was a tragedy. That's a tragedy the job of a federal prosecutor however but then is not to let our emotions dictate our decisions our job is to review the evidence gathered during investigation like the video to assess whether we can prove that a federal crime was committed at the end of the day however the video and the other evidence gathered in the investigation just not establish goes beyond a reasonable doubt that officer Pantaleo acted wilfully in violation of federal law. What you see on video is very clearly an escalation by the officers to make this arrest for this very minor offence and it ends with Mr Garner dying and so the net affect is that Mr Garner's punishment for allegedly selling cigarettes that day is death that in many people's eyes is too much but in the eyes of the law the prosecutors here ear based not just on the video but on the testimony of witnesses and the testimony of the officers thought there just wasn't enough so actually it's been five years to the day that Eric Garner died during this interaction with the N._y._p._d.? And it now seems like prosecutors seem to have closed the book on this case. What if anything happens now? Is this case over throughout these five years years off the pendulum has been a desk job without his gun or as bad she hasn't been out on patrol and he remains on the force. Yes there's this process underway in the N._y._p._d.. That will ultimately end with the the police commissioner James O'Neill deciding whether or not he gets to stay on the forest as a police officer or if he has to leave and he could allow him to resign he could fire him or he could. Just talk him some vacation in days. That decision could take weeks. It could take months or it could happen tomorrow. We don't know but it's not over for him so what happens to him may end up being the accountability. It's not going to happen in a courtroom. It seems it's not GonNa Happen to the federal court level or the district attorney level but it might happen inside the N._y._p._d.. The Garner family has demanded for the last five years that officer Pantaleo be fired. They have also also asked for the other officers who were involved in his death and those who found a Fisher reports that didn't mention the charcoal that didn't mention any uses of force should also be fired and held accountable. I'm going to stand outside and I'm going to scream it pants. He needs to be don't apologize to me find office. Don't give me condolences. I heard that five years ago we want justice that we wanted today. If that's what the family wants they have quite the mountain to climb officer. Pantaleo is still on the force half of the officers names. The family doesn't know because the city has withheld them but the message from the family of Eric Garner today was loud and clear. This is what we have to live every day and you know what we're not gonNA take this sitting down. This is not going down like this because if it was one of their loved ones it would've never went this far so my son's death is not going vein. We're going to fight this to the master. If I'm the only one out on the street <music> thank you very much. Thanks for having me on <music>. Hi My name is anti mills and I am one of those names that you here in the in credits of the daily every single day I get to work with reporters who are covering things from the conflict in in Syria and Afghanistan to the fires in California to Fred Trump's taxes to the latest news with facebook to the row hinge crisis none of that work that I do none of the work that they do would be be possible without subscribers and this is an ad trying to tell you that subscribing to the New York Times is worth it if you are a subscriber thank you if you'd like to become a subscriber Eber Goto N._y.. TIMES DOT COM slash worth it. Here's what else you need. Ten full the president <music> on Tuesday top Republicans in Congress rally to the defense of President trump denying that his tweet calling on four Democratic Congress to return to the countries from which they can or bigoted and racist later. We're the president's tweets said go back racist on twitter. The President himself confronted the allegation writing the quote. I don't have a racist bone in my body. Every single member of this institution Democratic and Republican should join us in condemning the president's racist hours later on the house. I floor speaker. Nancy Pelosi introduced a resolution condemning trump's attacks on representatives IANNA Prestige Rashida to lead Ilhan Omar and Alexandria 'cause you quartet's do anything less. It would be a shocking rejection of our values and a shameful abdication of our oath of office to protect the American people. I urge as Pelosi spoke house. Republicans demanded demanded that she were tracked her description of the president's comments as racist. I was just going to gentle speaker of the House if she would like to rephrase that comment I had cleared my remarks as a parliamentarian before I read them taken by the gentleman's worth of parliamentary and risk right be taken down House Democrats went on to pass the resolution with the support of just four House Republicans.
No Justice For Eric Garner
"Twenty minute morning show is a member of the Queen City podcast network powered by Ortho Carolina find out more at Queen City podcast network Dot Com July seventeenth two two thousand fourteen Eric Garner on a sunny afternoon and Staten Island New York would live only for a few more moments Mrs listening to to to C._B._S.. News has learned that federal prosecutors will not bring bring charges against any New York City police officer involved in the death of Eric Garner as you all can tell very angry I am. I'm very angry. I stand here in a spirit of my system who flock justice dying day for my father stem it outside protesting. She called the dudas investigation. Do John God the Department of Justice. They didn't do their job so I'm gonNA stand outside and I'm GonNa be there is no waiting. There is no nothing no nope we will not rest today. We share our emotions about one of the most brazen police killings in the history of black America that was this film for the whole world to see today is Thursday July eighteenth Archana Noah's a hot summer day on July seventeenth two thousand fourteen when they killed our brother Eric Garner on the streets of Staten Island talking about he was selling some loose cigarettes. It's the police harassed him. Home visits went up to him. Put Him in a choke hole and of course this week <hes> Danny Pants Nilo who was N._y._p._d.. Officer officer was acquitted of any federal charges in the death of Eric Garner. When we evaluated officer Pantaleo actions in light of his training and experience Mr Gardner size wait and actions to resist arrest and the duration escalating nature of the interaction we determined that that was insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that pencil acted in wolf violation? The federal law as a result we conclude that there is insufficient evidence to bring a federal criminal charges against officer Pantaleo for his role in the untimely death of Mr Door now. What did you feel about that when it came out what happened to Eric Garner is the history of America as one of the cases that really hurt me man? I remember watching it back. In Two thousand fourteen I never forget it was a Sunday and <hes> I was sitting there looking at the evening news on C._B._S.. And I saw it and it made me so angry I just ran upstairs and for some reason that touched me very because he was such an innocent man. All of about black men have been killed have been unarmed innocent but that went on on that particular way was done right in front of our face and I said to myself. These people are showing this shit right enough face right and V._J.. And basically what they're saying is not basically what they're saying is is that selling loosey cigarettes a black man who sells loosey cigarettes. That's the problem punishable by death lynching lynching when I listened to yesterday or listen to it it really affect me that much that I would just like I can't. I can't let this man he was like I'm not doing anything. Why are you messing with me H._S._A.? And then to hear him say I can't breathe and care less it was it's like the worst in a doll you know they have. I bet they would have more compassion for little adult the next name that they for his life you think about that. They only had a dog shokhin a dog like that on the street filming it. The American public will lose. Did you see what he hits the outrage outrage so where is the outrage regarding Eric Garner because I know I'm probably getting off the subject but we see the outrage regarding those tweets up tweeted out the Democrat Party is all of the armed. Why aren't they speaking about this? John Lewis. Where's your speech regarding every car? Now you know we want to attack the Democrats and Republicans Democrats in other. We WanNA put it all familiar body. You don't a man die. You know. I'M NOT GONNA put any party to it but that's it was all those but you get the right to tell us who we should blame because the Democratic Party is saying on the party basically represent African American they only can you tell people. Is that everyone that was elected doorstep gas him. Why aren't you saying why would you allow this case? The law quote a Justice Department and they look at so you know if you're not just blaming them. I'm blending Democrats Republicans while unjustified and not even give it a second look. They look at it the Democratic Party because John Lewis got up on the floor yesterday talking about He. No racism feels like he no racism sound like I know racism. When I see it I know racism I feel it and at the highest level of government? There's no room for racist. If you know what racism feels like a sound like why aren't you speaking about Eric Garner and if you know what racism feels like it sounds like why didn't you know what it felt like it sound like when they wrote their crop John Lewis the Democratic Party the Black Democrats they a group of death in Fetch Negro see I know the Republican Party is against me. I know that I think is worse for the Democrat Party. Pool supposedly supposed to represent me when they don't that's why I attacked the Democrat Party so much because I didn't Republican I voted for the Democrat. Well you know what Dan Pantaleo willful disregard of the law that was an illegal choke whole first of all and you're not supposed needs to be using those methods to subdue suspects and he choked demand out now what I find positive about this case is Eric Garner's mother and his wife and children they are and prime example of how you stand up and be strong for people who have been unjustly killed. They don't want no apology. They ain't on television talk about we forgive you and all that kind of crap and that's what I black people. Should we should be unforgiving tie for remorse with a bit when Mama was yelling breed that would have been the time for him to show some type of remorse or some type of care for another human being's life when he was screaming eleven on that he can't breathe so there's nothing that him or his friends or anything else would make me feel any different. No I don't accept his apology. No could care less about his condolences. I know I could care less. He still working. He's still getting a paycheck. He still feed in his kids and my husband is sixty under and I'm looking for a way to feed my kids now. Look at all the murders that have happened. Sit Eric Garner Tamir Rice Mike around you know it just went in order this like that and it has killed and no police have been convicted. So what is that telling black people with this case with the federal charges I just with him being cleared of all them and then trump's man the attorney general bar gets on he gets involved in it and says there's no way that we could charge him because there's not enough evidence to convict Garner's mother spoke out this morning. It's still an insult to injury that they are not going forward with charges saying that the bar was too high for them to bring charges against them okay so complained the what we again like. I was just talking this gentleman. What is our next step? What can we question Sunday? We we have to do something and we need to strategize. We need to have some meetings with is now. This right here is a nail in the coffin for real in your face when you see innocent and I call Eric Garner like an innocent lamb. Here's a ban was begging for his life on television. y'All reminisce right he's. Begging for life I can't breathe what y'all harass him before. I'm not doing nothing I'm standing on here and next thing he's dead and then they don't convict them. Come on man so something does have to happen. Something has to happen because I think black people are going to explode one day and you're not gonna be able to stop. It and we're GONNA explode on his country. I feel one day. It sounds so radical but it is what it is time and having means what do we raise gone and you know like you talk about. SEPARATE GONNA be real separation operates after why don't you get sick just talking about it absolutely absolutely so key done honey more we can count on three four how many more didn't have weapons in your hair dye and all we want to talk about remember five years ago. I'm so ready to move forward. I need to know what to do next. I mean you see no girds but I'm like well. If we're not don't do what I can say this. I don't know what's going to happen. I can't tell you when it's going to happen but I do know it is going to happen that black people is gonNA collectively drop a bomb on America Erica and this is going to be held pay. I think about us man you know <hes>. Will you talk about the riots. They happen in Charlotte. Nobody expected to happen right but it just happened and it was just that time I think that time is going to happened. I can't tell you win. Maybe they have to be maybe a couple of more murders by police officers or whatever for black people to explode nationally but I know what's going to happen one past today if another person died what does the law what what can you can beat up on both parties and you should beat up on both parties and you definitely should beat up on the party. That's supposed to represent you. That is one of the first things that you should always do the parties that you vote for demand that they advocate for your call because there are other what is the purpose of them being there and what is the perfect. Would you vote for them if you can't hold them accountable for their non action. Let me let me Komo behind that for a minute because you really have to go to war with the Democratic Party has black people because they want your vote so bad. They claim that there for you but Wendy's come out they. There's never an outcry. Try to fight for us when it comes to this Oh to hell with every Democrat that doesn't have the balls. That's what I'm saying. That doesn't have the balls to fight for you they should not you should hold your vote. We you did show that by withholding your vote. This is the time to withhold your boat to make these people fight for you. There's no other time and matter of fact. I'm glad you brought that up because maybe this is the rallying cry these to happen out of <hes> the with a federal the top of the chain the federal government said Fuck you but you black people. Coming up next week on the twenty minute morning show we got a chance to talk to Dimitri Smith. WHO's the former personal assistant r Kelly in this clip? I asked him did the record company. No R Kelly was doing with these young girls. I've told him told him years ago. They may y'all need to stop. You need to sit him down right now entailed him but what he's doing. He's GonNa go any further. We're not gonNA play as records. We're not GONNA do this. Robert can't have conversations with people cannot robberies he doesn't have that doesn't have that mentality. So is it true he can't read. You can't read or write. Ah Really Comprehend Robert Wright's bass wow you see he walks what he lives. You write what he lives. If you listen to him any interview he hasn't had any intellectual. I don't know oh to write on medical. Terms used buggies needs to chanel and being talked so he can go inside himself. Listen for this episode next week on the twenty minute morning show right after the show ends. I want you to go to our website. It is you I news dot net for more news for and about Black People's. Everything is happening a black America. We got you covered our website is you. I News Dot net. Let's take a now with the news team his AK and crew with you. I N News Uncut welcome to you. I N Urban Internet News Uncut AK along with the urban internet news team. Let's get right into it. How injecting race into his criticism of Liberal Democrats President Donald Trump said that poor congresswoman color should go back to the broken and crime infested countries? They came from ignoring the fact that all of the women are American citizens and three will born right here in the United States. Damn we got one dumb ass. President federal judges will decide how to proceed with bond hearings in two separate federal indictments statement against singer R Kelly Kelly has been arrested in Chicago on a thirteen count indictment that includes sex crimes and obstruction of justice a New York federal indictment was also unsealed that charges him with racketeering and sex-related crimes and seeing that we're talking about r Kelly the parents of one of the two women who have been living with the R. and B. Singer now. The daughter is planning to kill ourselves. T._M._Z. is reporting that the parents of Joycelyn savage worry that she and a second woman I made a suicide pact and we'll go through with plans to kill themselves. If Kelly is ultimately sent away for a long time both women will reportedly living with Kelly inside of trump tower Chicago but the family I believe now both women are hiding out with people close to Kelly at an undisclosed location and Chicago Tennessee governability tipped his hand and it's racist Lee signed a proclamation declaring July thirteenth Nathan in Bedford Forrest Day who the hell was forest well just a confederate general slave trader and in early leader of the Ku Klux Klan which might be the three most racist jobs in the history of America. This man did them all. But the governor is claiming he's not the one that wants to honor the big joker of righteous work. She's blaming it all on the law. They have a law that dates back to nineteen seventy-one bet declared that the government must issue proclamations for six state holidays each year including days when Nathan Bedford Forrest and Robert e Lee but here's the kicker when the governor was asked if he thought the law should be changed. He wouldn't answer guest that was an answer and it's damn sell sometimes. Don't you wish that you could have been there like when an armored car spills thousands of dollar bills onto a busy highway money the money money money prompting chaos as commuters pulled over to pick up the money well. It happened the other day before sunset in Atlanta. Georgia cash was blowing through the air when a side door of an armored trucks suddenly opened on the highway money money money money about one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars in bill spilled out and were carried away by the wind over a section of interstate eight two eighty five which encircles in Atlanta Georgia about two hundred dollars was retrieved from the highway surrounding woods which is a small fraction of the estimated one hundred seventy five thousand believed to have fallen out of the truck detectives are trying to contact contact drivers by looking for license plate numbers on mobile phone videos that had been posted on social media so if you were one of the fortunate ones to get some of that money. You better hope that police didn't get your license plate number because I know for fact you were not thinking about anything like that you driving down the street. You see money coming out of the sky falling onto the ground the first thing you think money money money money all the Lord is a blessing you. You're going to jump out the cost Dogrib net money. Get what you can get back in your call Dr The hell off. You're not thinking about someone taking a picture while you're doing this and it just so happens to be up your license license plate. The only thing you going to be thinking of is how you going to get away with some of it because you've been listening to you. I N Urban Internet News Uncut on on the B._J.. Murphy Twenty Minute Morning Show. I'll make a part of the urban internet news team for more news and information point about people of Color visit the open internet news website at you. I News Dot net. Thanks for listening. You're listening to the twenty minute morning. Show a podcast production brought to you by inside urban media written and produced by B._J.. Murphy from our Charlotte North Carolina Studios please subscribe to the show and you'll be he alerted when our daily episodes published weekday mornings at six A._M.. Our Daily Contributors Are Sean Sunday Aka from the U.. I. N. UNCUT DO Steam and for more news about and for people of color go to our a website you I news dot net. We'll see you on the next episode of the twenty minute morning. Show wherever podcast play.
NYPD officer in Eric Garner case is fired
"Now it's time for the last word with lawrence. Donald arts community rachel and you know how proud the great celtics legend bill russell is of his basketball basketball accomplishments sure yeah. He's even more proud that his daughter karen russell is a harvard law school graduate and i am very he probably karen russell is a friend of mine and that's the kind of name dropping. I thought i needed to to to lead into who who will be my final guest of the night because i've never met her and i've never read anything written by her until this weekend because karen russell told me too okay and it changed changed the way i think about the presidential election wow this is the best locked party conversation leading ever given me it includes a very specific electoral college prediction actual number while it's going to happen on election night you can learn that tonight am mm-hmm and i'm afraid that we might i might lose viewers for the next eighteen months because people wanna know at the end of the show tonight i was gonna win. It's locked. It's locked act. Here's the best part yeah here's the very best part her name's rachel and she may well become my audiences second favorite orig- that's entirely possible really could happen. You had me at that. Thank you chill as i say you're going to hear from the other rachel tonight tonight and for many of you. I am very very sure she will become your second favorite rachel in the world. She is a political science professor who accurately predicted last year's big blue wave in the house of representatives election long before and i mean long before anyone else did she issued a couple of estimates of how many seats the the democrats would pick up forty forty one or forty two and then the democrats picked up forty seats and now she is ready with her prediction prediction very specific about next year's presidential election. She is now predicted. What she thinks is the minimum number of electoral votes. The democratic candidate eight for president is going to is going to get whoever the democratic president presidential candidate turns out to be and like me. You will probably be stunned that what that number is because that number says it doesn't matter what the candidates say at the debates or who the democrats nominate because the democrat democrat is already virtually guaranteed to win two hundred seventy eight electoral votes and the only variability in that number is that it might go up to seventy is the winning number for the electoral college so you're gonna wanna hear this analysis at the end of this hour by the political political science professor who accurately predicted the big blue wave in the house and is now predicting the exact number of electoral college votes. The democrat will get and donald trump. We'll get because of his weakness in the mid west now and the new democratic voter enthusiasm. You will want to hear this analysis. You will want to be able to repeat it tomorrow to all of your friends. It will change the way you think about this election. It has changed the way i think about about this election. We begin tonight with an issue that was raised in the last democratic presidential debate today. The new york city police commissioner reached reached his decision and the investigation of officer daniel penta leo who was shown five years ago choking eric garner on staten island in a video that has been seen around the world and that became an issue and this year's democratic presidential today alison pantaleo use a chokehold was prohibited by n._y._p._d. He did that for seven seconds. Eleven different times eric garner said that he couldn't breathe. He knew knew what he was doing that. He was killing eric garner and yet he has not been brought to justice that police officers should be off the street. He should be fired. He'd be fired now. The civil rights division of the united states department of justice said charges should have been filed but this united states department of justice usurped and i believe it is because that president did not want those charges to go forward and they overrode a decision by the civil rights division of the united states of justice in that video of pensacola choking eric garner. If that video had not been recorded by witness watching the arrest then there would have been no real real investigation of what of circolo actually did and it is that video that allowed eric garner himself to testify against officer pantaleo in the police departments investigation eric garner now takes his place in the tragic history of police misuse of deadly sadly force as the dead victim who was still able to testify against the police officer. Eric garner's testimony was instantly gently memorable. We heard it on the video. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't i can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't believe i can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe eleven times. I can't breathe we will show you once again a portion of the video video of daniel pencil echo choking eric garner to death and i say that by way of warning because it has always been difficult to watch we will show you about twenty seconds of that video. You will hear eric garner saying i can't breathe. Four times is going to if you're and the police investigation. The medical examiner testified that the chokehold killed eric garner show. Kohl's are against n._y._p._d. Rules but the a departmental judge hearing the case found that the chokehold was acceptable for the first couple of seconds because officer pencil eos grip tip slipped accidentally according to the judge into a chokehold. It's what happened after that that killed eric garner. Here's how the police commissioner described that today. During the struggle officer pantaleo had the opportunity to readjust his grip from prohibited chokehold seles lethal alternative but did not make use of that opportunity instead even once mr gar was moved to his side on the ground with his left after arm behind his back and his right hand still open and extended officer pantaleo kept his hands clasped and maintained the focal it was for that reason and the judges finding that officer pantaleo did not tell the truth to investigators that the judge recommended that daniel pencil a._o. Be fired her recommendation. Dacian was addressed to police commissioner james o'neill who has the exclusive authority to make the final departmental decision in cases like at this stand before you today confident that i've reached the correct decision and that has certainly not made it an easy decision. I served for nearly nearly thirty four years to new york city cop before becoming police commissioner. I can tell you that i had i been in officers and to officers pantaleo situation. I may have made similar mistakes and had i made those mistakes. I would've wished i had used the arrival of backup officers to give the situation more time time to make that arrest and wished that i released my grip before it became a chokehold every time i watch that video i say to myself i self is probably all of you do too. Mr garner don't do it. Comply officer pantaleo don't do it. I said that about the decisions made by both officer pantaleo mr garner but none of us can take back hard decisions most especially when they lead to the death of another human being being an after that long preamble after thirteen minutes thirteen minutes after the police commissioner began speaking today he finally said this therefore i agree with the deputy commissioner of trials legal findings recommendations this clear that daniel pantaleo no longer effectively service in new york city police officer joining us now is billable as the mayor of new york city in a democratic presidential candidate mr mayor. Thank you very much for joining us tonight on on this important night. You're very welcome lawyers. There was a lot of talk during the presidential the debate about why haven't you fired the officer. Could you just clarify that for the audience. It's been very clear. I think to people in new york who follow this but the the lines nsima th authority in these cases and how it works absolutely lawrence so our state law says that this is something that has to be handled within the n._y._p._d. Through through a public trial due process a decision by trial judge that goes to the commissioner's recommendation and the police commissioner by state law is the only person who can ultimately act in decades and decades of new york city history no matter what a mayor says or doesn't say the only actual ability to fire era police officer after due process is in the hands of the police commissioner and by the way if you want to see the sanctity of that due process and have it hold up in the end. It's actually important that a mayor not interfere because i believe justice has been done here finally took way too long but justice has been done and now it's. It's important that this decision stick. I'm sure there's going to be an attempt to challenge it in court but it's crucial that it stick that justice be served and that we're able to move move on as a city and a nation and i have to say lawrence. You've watched these situations all around the country. This is the premier police department a nations and not so long ago it would not have been necessarily assumed that trial inside the n._y._p._d. N._y._p._d. deputy commissioner as the judge would result old in this level of accountability. That judge said no that was prohibited chokehold that was wrong and this officer should be terminated. The first stepney commissioner concurred sent that to the commissioner the commissioner concur. This is actually the process working. It should have happened a long time ago and if it were not for the u._s. Department of justice telling the city of new york not to proceed we would have done this a long time ago and painful lesson from from that experience with the justice department over two different presidential administrations. Yeah let me go to that. It's not so much that they were telling you not to. They were requesting that you not proceed because they don't actually have the authority to slow down. It is customary and i think pretty much every department and probably every city in the country would have gone along with the justice department's the request but if this were to happen again and the justice department were to make the same request and you had this kind of convincing video and a city with a sense sense of urgency about it. What would you do differently at this point lawrence. I don't believe the united states department of justice dispensing justice anymore. There's no conceivable way that could take five years to decide to do nothing as unacceptable from my point of view we would not we would not honor their request in the future but but lawrence the key is not to have uh another eric garner case to do things so differently that we never have this kind of tragedy again and i think it's important for all your viewers to understand these these situations. These conflicts can be changed through deescalation. We've we've taught all of our officers. Thirty six thousand officers we retrained trained after the tragedy of eric garner to de escalate any kind of situation that community deescalate exactly what you saw on camera there now that would be handled very very differently. There's a body camera on every officer. That was not true at that time. Every officers getting listening is getting implicit bias training to help weed out whatever biases these are in all of us as humans. This is very different city. This is a very different police force and it's very notable that the first place there was a public trial in this entire case the first time that was actually a trial. It wasn't n._y._p._d. Missouri i think i've been studying this subject for all of my adult life. Literally in my first book was entitled. Deadly force about this very subject and what is very clear is it is going to happen again. Just like plane crashes are going to happen again and and what one of the things we absolutely need because there's human error as you know. There's a bunch of ways in which this can happen again and it's the aftermath the transparency of the aftermath that is that becomes so important and we see in your administration <hes> two different versions of this one on the civil side where the family <hes> i was in the process of filing a civil lawsuit to sue the city and you very quickly settled that case with basically no legal strain on the family <hes> for five million dollars a little bit more than five million dollars and then all the rest of the process. The non-civil process was what dragged on for all of these years <hes> and so again. Would you simply say for example on the parts of the city controls. Let's just go ahead with the police. Police internal affairs investigation the police department possible trial as we saw in this case and let's not consider timetables of any of the other processes which we don't control control and could be slow lawrence in the past. I would have said you indicate it. When the justice department makes that request we used to take it very very seriously they they had the higher charges. They were not just dealing with personnel matters. They were dealing with potential criminal charges. They were justice department often been throughout the whole civil civil rights movement and since the place that you went for objective justice even when localities were not providing it and i have to tell you especially because this started started before the current administration started in the previous presidential administration i just in a million years could not have foreseen this delay and this ability ability of justice department not to say in the future. We would never do it that way again because we've learned as painful lesson but i wanna contest. One thing you said and i think you have have a lot more expertise in the study. You've done to this issue then i probably do but i have to contest one thing for decades. We have not trained. Our police officers mrs properly in this country to escalate conflict. We certainly never gave them implicit bias training. We didn't have body cameras. I think it's a very very different reality. Now we have a neighborhood policing philosophy. That's all about actually building human relationships between officers and the people they serve first name basis officers staying in the community long-term getting to know people and feeling at one with the community. This is happening on a mass scale in new york city and we're actually driving down crime every single year as we he'll the relationship between police and community so i do not think these tragedies inevitable. I agree with you. Human error is always possible in life but i gotta tell you so so much of why this happened in the past was because officers were trained in a very aggressive approach policing over policing approach not in a humane understanding understanding compassionate approach that was actually about building relationships of mutual respect and as we've been doing that new york city you're not seeing these kind of incidents events and i really think the goal should be for this whole country every single police officer good people who choose to serve all of us good people who follow a noble calling deserve the kind of training and support and the opportunity to build a relationship with the people they serve bluntly. They have not been given nor have communities been given a chance to experience that kind of policing. I think we need to do that. All over this country the samarra. I wanna go to something. One of your critics said today a patrick lynch he heads the police officers union in new york city and let's just stipulate that the leaders of police unions around the country are always critical of any police department or mayor whenever police offer officers disciplined but he said that something very interesting because word for word it is actually what the the protesters and the eric garner case want the police to do he actually said we will uphold our oath but we cannot and will not do so by needlessly jeopardising our careers or personal safety. I'm not sure mr lynch realizes but what he just said. There is exactly <hes> what people who want police accountability. It's exactly what people want them to do. Well look. I'd say it this way. I think the sad reality is and i'm someone who believes in the labor movement very very deeply but you said it unfortunately there's it's been too many times when leaders of police unions did not serve their members because they sent a message that was not about how we heal not about how we move forward but ultimately a very divisive message and that's what you heard today from pat lynch very disrespectful of our police commissioner jimmy o'neill very disrespectful just respectful of fact that there was due process and there needs to be accountability for all of us but look. I think our police officers are truly professional. I think they're going to continue eighteen to serve and protect people are not gonna get caught up in an attempt to politically manipulate them by a few union leaders. I think our police officers are here doing doing this work. It's tough it's dangerous but they do it because they want to help. People and protect people and this city is going to move forward. I gotta tell you lawrence. This has been a very very deep painful episode but it's also finally a moment where there's some visible justice and some some closure for the garner family and a chance to build something different and that's what i'm going to focus on. I think that's what the vast majority of new yorkers and americans want and the voices telling us go backwards. That's that's not what people are looking for. They want healing. They want us to put that pass that held us back behind us. Remember we've we've crashed over the commercial break but i wanna squeeze in one presidential question about this which would be in a de blasio administration with a de blasio chosen attorney general. How would the justice department approach approach. These cases lawrence. I think there should be an immediate commitment to speedy justice in fact i would support legislation of the federal level to require a time limit. Whenever ever there's an issue of police discipline our case involving a police officer in this case and an unarmed civilian the justice department needs to come in and make a decision in real time one year to year whatever frame that should be decided it should be mandatory and in my administration as president i would. I'd say the justice department makes very clear to local authorities. If you're not going to address this issue the justice department will step in in a speedy manner and address forthrightly forthrightly democratic presidential candidate new york city mayor bill de blasio. Thank you very much for joining us on this important night on this very important subject important in new york city and the country. Thank you very much mr bank you. We'll be joined by another democratic presidential candidate senator cory booker next and later in this hour. We'll be joined by the political scientists who predicted last year's forty seat pick up by the democrats in the house long before anyone else saw that coming and she's ready the prediction above the electoral college. It's very specific. You're gonna wanna take notes. What happened to senator cory booker in the last presidential debate when he began his opening statement will not happen next time. Thank you last week. The president of the united states attacked an american city city calling it. A disgusting rat infested rodent mass. We need a nation understands that these tired old language the crowd chanting fire pantaleo got their way today. The new york city police commissioner fired officer daniel pencil who was seen on video five years ago using a chokehold on eric garner that the medical examiner said caused eric garner's death and joining our discussion now is cory booker democratic senator from new jersey presidential candidate senator booker. I just wanted to begin with the developments. In the eric garner's story today <hes> that has been five years in the making and finally we see the firing a your former mayor yourself. What is your reaction to what you saw today. Well first of all this is justice delayed and five years to come to this conclusion. It's very frustrating the process but i think the larger point that i wanna make as guy who knows the fear of being followed because of the color of your skin being pulled over that for every name we know like eric garner there are thousands we do not ah for every video that we actually see there are thousands and thousands of incidents that aren't captured on video that never get the kind of justice that this enabled remember the police police report after this incident the way they wrote it cleaned everything up and it would have gone undiscovered. It was really that video that captured it and so where we come as a society where we're not really getting to the root of the large spread problema police accountability where it's just that time that something is captured on videotape tape that we actually see justice done and even when justice gets done five years later after someone an unarmed civilian was choked to death after saying repeatedly time and time again i can't breathe so as a guy who was actually had to run a police department who learned a lot along the way and now as as a senator has led on police accountability legislation we can do so much better as a nation dealing with issues of implicit racial bias accountability for use of force worse and transparency in data and actions both from things like officer video cameras all the way to reporting requirements they could go much longer way and dealing with this problem in our country. Let's listen to what emerald's garner eric garner's daughter said today commissioner o.'neil. I thank you for doing the right thing. I truly sincerely thank you for firing the officer. Regardless however you came up to your decision. You finally made a decision. That should have been made five years ago. I should not be here staying with my brother fatherless. I should be here with my father but pantaleo took took that away from me on seven seventeen so yes he's fired but the fight is not over. We will continue to thank you. I know that she's not the last person who's going to lose her. Father and questionable circumstances an interaction with police in in a booker administration. What would your attorney general do. In cases like this and what should the justice department do in cases like this well. Let's go further than that because unless you have an administration that that puts police accountability at the center of their priority list the obama administration actually had a task force on twenty first century policing that came up with a whole lot of recommendations which this administration chretien has failed to implement whatsoever this was black lives matter activist sitting at a table with big city police chiefs coming up with a whole constellation of common sense things things that we can do to deal with this problem in our country. Not just the police involved shootings but a police accountability general and so. It's not just waiting till something thing happens. We can't be reactivates. We must be activists in this situation. We must have a president that understands this issue in a sense with a sense of urgency z so that we can start doing things to create police accountability in this country not waiting for crises to happen to respond to them but make sure that crises that this kind kind of actions or not happening in our country again we can do something about it but we must have president understands the urgency and feels intimately a a connection to this crisis. Another thing that donald trump doesn't seem to feel a connection to or urgency about is a gun safety legislation elation. He made some comments about the possibility of background checks. After the recent mass murders we saw <hes> but then he has now since clarified that he's not really budging on it. Let's listen to what the president had to say about. It and i'd like you to respond to it. People don't realize we have very strong background checks right now you go in to buy a gun. You have to sign up a lot of background checks that have been approved over the years <hes> so i'll have to see what it is but congress meeting bipartisan is in a lot of people want to see something happened but just remember this big mental problem and we do have a lot of background checks right now senator on a the presidential debate stage with donald trump on that subject. What would you have to say after he says something like that. I would say he's wrong and the kind of ignorance and idiocy you see that he's putting out there even even n._r._a. Members eighty four percent of which i believe we need universal comprehensive background checks. I would talk to him about my numerous. Numerous visits to mother emmanuel church where the white supremacists came in there and shot nine people to death. I would say to those folks folks that that loophole that they used to buy a gun <hes> through the porous holes in the background check system or unacceptable this this president is wrong and people are dying because of his inaction and i'll tell you right now. We live in a country where we are capitulating to fear. We are literally surrendering our liberty and our freedom freedom from fear freedom from gun violence. We are sending kids to school right now and into september literally giving within the message. We can't protect you so we're going to teach you in school how to hide how to shelter in place. This is unacceptable. No other country does this to its communities where people talk to latino activists and leaders community members who are afraid now sick americans or muslim americans. We're terrified. We see plots being uncovered this past weekend of white supremacist go into synagogues and caused more mayhem and murder. What what is it going to take in this country for us to do. The common sense things that we know will save us. This is an issue of freedom and liberty the culture of our country. The toxin fear is taking over because because of the inaction of leaders like donald trump who ultimately are responsible. He is responsible for this rise of of terrorist kate nor country leaders take responsibility. His language is contributing to the problem as opposed to him taking responsibility to stop it. I will be the president who lives in the neighborhood. Put were these shootings happened to who had shahad smith murdered on my block. There's so many of us that live in communities like this every single day where we worry just just about our children going to school and so i'm running for president and will be the president that takes a fight to the n._r._a. And the gun lobby like they've never seen before and brings an end to to this terror in our communities and this weakness in our country where we're not showing the strength that we really have to protect our children our communities our families and our country senator booker. I just want to take you back to mother manual church for a moment because i want you to talk about what it feels like what it felt like for you to be there and it's not just has to church. It's the scene of one of our worst. Mass murders are completely racially motivated mass murderer and it's a place where we know donald trump is never we're going to visit. It's it's the kind of place we know. Most republican candidates frost never visit your neighborhood is a place most republican candidates for office will never visit what are they being missing by never setting foot in mother emmanuel church never setting foot in your neighborhood. We're a nation that there used to be a time. Forget party when four girls were killed in a bombing in birmingham. The conscience of our country responded responded. We changed laws when women were dying because of shortwave factory fire throwing themselves out windows. It affected the hearts of our nation. This is this this is about having a more courageous empathy a sense of love patriotism love of country. You cannot love your country unless you love your fellow. Countrymen and women and and love is in the sentiment. Love is saying that i'm gonna. I'm gonna fight to defend folks. I'm gonna be there when there's injustice and and that's why it is painful painful to me that we have such a constipation of compassion empathy and love in this country among some who you just can't see the suffering of others every single day have to live with the pain or the grief or the hurt where the wretchedness of the violence that they are their family experienced and so so we enough of that we just need to get back to having a nation with a revival of civic grace. We understand that we we have to be there for anybody. Because king said this so eloquently that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere we cannot have communities that do nothing and wait until there's violence visited upon on them and then suddenly they're awake into the sense of urgency we have a crisis in our country that is ripping apart concerts and nightclubs and churches and synagogues and schools and if we don't stop this we wait for more and more bloodshed until we finally get it every day. We way people in communities that i know intimately suffer every day. We wait to stop people from being the walk into a gun show and go to a casual seller and philip with a trunk full of weapons every day. We wait someone right now. In america some white supremacist is plotting against us and our values and our communities and so i what i have to say is enough enough talk. We need action and if you're not gonna act. We're going to remove you from office. This is this is yet another reason why this man will be defeated in the white house because now we need courage. We need strength. We need action. We need leaders. It will take responsibility and that's what i'm going to do. Should i be president united states democratic the presidential candidate senator cory booker. Thank you very much for joining our discussion tonight. We really appreciate thank you sir. Thank you very much and when we come back back we will not be talking about greenland because donald trump wants us to talk about greenland. We will be talking about the very bad news. Donald trump doesn't want us talking about and once. It's again a reminder. All of the presidential candidates are always invited onto this show if you haven't seen your favorite presidential candidate on this show oh it's because your favorite presidential candidate has declined all of our invitations to be on that show on this show. It's an open invitation to all of them. In the interest of equal time an equal presentation and we will be presenting you as many of the presidential candidates has accept the invitation to come. Donald trump is hoping that we spend a lot of time tonight. Discussing his comments about buying greenland he wants us to do that even knowing that he would be ridiculed from start to finish in that conversation and he wants us to do that because he does not want us discussing the possibility of a slowdown in the global economy an economic indicators showing a possible recession coming to the american economy and so we won't be bothering with the greenland distraction in a new national n._b._c. news wall street journal poll fifty two percent of registered voters say they will definitely or probably vote for the democratic candidate in the twenty twenty election. Just forty percent percent of registered voters say they will definitely or probably vote for donald trump in that same poll fifty five percent disapprove of donald trump's overall job performance. It's only forty-three percent approved fifty two percent disapprove of the president's handling of the aftermath of the shootings the mass murders in el paso texas and in dayton ohio thirty six percent approve the the associated press reports that seventy four percent of american business economists expect a recession in the united states by the end of twenty twenty one possibly the most ominous economic indicator for the u._s. Economy is the inverted yield curve and the treasury bond around market that we discussed last week. One of the president's economic advisers. Peter navarro was on television this weekend saying that the inverted yield curve didn't matter and peter navarro says we should listen to him because he has written books that explain the inverted yield curve and why it doesn't matter the problem for peter navarro is in his books he says is the inverted yield curve has a quote excellent forecasting track record with an inverted yield curve and a global economic slowdown and a looming disastrous brexit in the fall. How many more greenland's will donald trump have to come up with to try to distract voters from the failures of his economic policy from the tariffs to giant tax cuts for corporations and the super rich. The tariffs have caused nothing in my opinion dan or certainly very little. How much will the tariffs cost donald trump in his reelection campaign. After this break we will consider those questions with professor jason jason johnson and los angeles times economic correspondent michael hill sick and now to not not discuss greenland. We are joined by michael. Hill sick won't surprise winning business columnist for the los angeles times and jason johnson politics editor at the rip dot com and a professor of politics politics and media at morgan state university. Professor johnson is an m._s._n._b._c. political analyst and michael. We've got the inverted yield curve which peter navarro has decided now doesn't mean a thing and we've got the president and his economic advisors trying to say publicly. No americans are paying one penny a of these tariffs that are disrupting the global economy and it seems like certainly american farmers have figured out how these tariffs work american farmers you're right to farm zone is in crisis. It's chaos. We've seen bankruptcies. We've seen suicide aside. It's really a big problem and of course when when trump and his minions talk about americans not being affected by the tariffs it's it's really a case of internal dysfunction or a disconnect because after all trump just last week said he was going to defer some of those arabs europe's because he didn't want to interfere with america's christmas buying season so that tells us right there that he knows that this is affecting nothing sounds. It's going to affect the economy. It is affecting the economy in a big way and jason tariffs are clearly clearly have a global effect and we are seeing this global slowdown but the but the president has been just kind of his method on this from the start has just been to lie and to rely lie nonstop and he's finding that he's certainly having trouble lying especially in those midwestern farming states that he needs to win right well. The president can lie to himself itself can lie to the other members of the staff. You can't lie to my pocket book. He can't lie to my wallet. He can't lie to the people who are waiting to see if that tax cut ever trickles down inter lives he can't lie to the people who are doing school shopping in the next couple of weeks and they're not feeling any more wealthy. This is the thing and this is really important for people to understand dan. The recession is not about what the actual number say. The recession is about what people start feeling is about to happen. If people start holding on to their wallets of people start seeing the holiday season saying you know what maybe can't travel for thanksgiving this year and maybe we're not gonna take that trip for christmas that is how the ball gets rolling and if this president can't convince people that that all of his economic miracles are gonna continue that is going to have serious consequences for him electorally in two thousand twenty and michael the republican economic theory has held that everything that is happening in the california economy cannot happen because california has a higher minimum wage several higher minimum on wages including local ones than the federal minimum wage has more regulation environmental regulation. It has heavier state taxation than most other states and yes. It is the leader of the american economy without the california economy. The trump national economy would not be doing well. I think there are two lessons for trump and the republicans. It's in the california economy. One is that if you have a good fiscal policy it helps california but the trend we raise taxes a couple of years ago under jerry brown. We turned our budget into something solid. We've got a rainy day fund. We're prepared more prepared than we used to be for for a downturn that would take the income tax down. That's one thing the other thing is that california has welcomed diversity economic diversity. <hes> <hes> years ago we had proposition one eighty-seven which was an attack on immigrants that passed but it was overturned by the records and it destroyed the california republican party. That party is out of business. They don't have a single statewide officeholder. Their congressional delegation has been decimated was decimated in the last election and that's a message. I think republicans around the rest of the country and to economies in the rest of the country country that if you don't absorb an accept and welcome immigration and diversity you are going to be an economic trouble and you're going to be in political. The sounds like an area that the democratic candidates should be talking more about and find the language for michael headset jason johnson. Thank you both very much for joining us really appreciate bank clark doc and when we come back we will declare the winner. The candidate who is currently pretty much guaranteed two hundred and seventy eight electoral votes votes in next year's presidential election be political science scientists who has made that prediction is the very same political scientists to accurately predicted the big blue blue wave last year in house representatives long before anyone else saw that coming she will join us next okay class. The professor is here and you might want to start taking notes. The professor who accurately predicted the forty seat pickup for for the democrats in last year's bluewave election long before anyone else saw that one coming is about to join us with her prediction for the presidential election using the very same analytical local tool she used to predict last year's house election with astonishing accuracy now imagine if you had taken notes about her prediction for the big blue wave election and been able to tell your friends many months before anyone else could that the democrats were going to pick up forty seats imagine how that would have felt well now. Imagine what it will feel like tomorrow to tell your friends. The new magic number two seventy eight and here to explain why to seventy seventy eight is the most important number you're going to learn tonight is political science professor rachel bit takover with the watson center for public policy at the christopher newport university in newport news virginia and rachel. I've actually actively been avoiding attempting to pronounce your last name of throughout the hour. How did i just do with that. You know what you did really well and it is you are not alone. I married that monstrosity and tackles everybody so don't aren't you where we're going to turn it into a beautiful thing for our audience so us original. I i've read your writing on this. It is really persuade saviour the virus everybody to follow you on twitter and get to your actual writing because we're going to do a tip of the iceberg version of it now to seventy eight u._c. u._c. The democrat tonight whoever the democrat democrat is with two hundred seventy eight electoral votes eight more than needed for victory. That's right and that's a starting point. They're going to start at that two hundred in seventy eight before we get into four swing contest in iowa north carolina florida in arizona and you're using tools that you first developed in the virginia state elections in the legislature there were we saw a surprising surge for democrats and twenty seventeen you then transferred that experience in two thousand eighteen and what does it tell you about the electorate. What does it tell you about. What is motivating voter that will produce this result that you expect. That's right and i really do urge. Everybody who is watching this to go and read the model read the theory that drives the model because it really is a huge departure from what you're used to seeing in forecasting and it's arguing that the election of donald trump is a needed kerosene on on a i hate to use the word lazy a lazy and complacent democratic electorate who was taking a kind of for granted some of the ability to kind of sit back and ride obama's <hes> coattails and then didn't show up in big numbers in two thousand sixteen and and kind of took for granted that trump would not be elected and twenty seventeen in virginia two thousand eighteen all across the nation we saw these big big turnout surges and of course the media likes to talk about twenty eighteen as moderate republicans rejecting the party of trump and joining hands with democrats in in these swing districts but that is not what the data shows. I'll be releasing forthcoming analysis very shortly that shows the house gains in two thousand eighteen or powered by two things turnout searches among democrats and left leaning independence not moderate republicans jumping ship and so your argument is it's all about about turnout and energizing that turn out and speaking to those voters. That's an easier vote to get than trying to convince a trump voter to switch rich in two thousand twenty exactly. I'm arguing that this eight are granddaddies electorate anymore and i think we need no more proof than to look at the the election of donald j trump to the american presidency <hes> the time when you could persuade large swathes of the electorate over has passed we are in a deeply hyper partisan and <hes> era now and i'm not saying that moderates aren't important that there aren't moderates are certainly are and they can be appealed to although democrats don't do it well well but really it's all about the base professor rachel bit takover. Thank you very much for just the tip of the iceberg version. We're going to have to have you back. Take more notes really appreciate you joining us tonight. Love thank you so much for having me. Hey it's chris hayes from m._s._n._b._c. You know every day i come to the office and we make the television show and every day i think to myself there's so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called. Why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see out every day. They're driven by big ideas each week. I sit down with a person uniquely suited to explain why this is happening. The new episodes of why is this happening every tuesday. Listen for free wherever you get your podcasts.
New Updates In Eric Garner Case
"Hey guys you've heard of the young Turks podcast because you're listening to right now but make sure that you subscribe and give it a five star rating. If you like it thank you for listening. Drop it all right Power Power Power Panel Jake you Adrian Lawrenceburg Thomas Everybody all right fun and disastrous stories that had really disastrous assis yeah mainly disastrous but still not on the run down but we'll heard one of the last remaining so-called`modern Democrats. I'm I'm sorry Republicans is stepping down <hes> so there are an and he's the last African American Republican maps gone <hes> so that was a dying agreed to begin with and now it's officially dead so and they will Democrats will likely pick up that seat but it goes to show you what the Republican Party he's about <hes> so we've got some clashes between the Republicans and Democrats today and unfortunately we have a number of stories of clashes with the police lease and the citizens usually not how it's supposed to go but as you know if you know anything about American history or current day that is often how it goes or <hes> having said that let's do it okay. Let's to a New York. Administrative Judge has recommended officer N._Y._P._d.. Officer Daniel Pantaleo he'll be fired and of course that is the officer at the center of the death of Eric Garner. You're seeing video right there. The judge found officer Daniel Pantaleo who has been on modified administrative duty in the year since Garner's death on a Staten Island Street corner guilty abusing chokehold on the forty three year old father which of course is banned under under N._y._p._d.. Policy this is just a recommendation because whether Pantaleo will keep his job is actually up to the police commissioner the city's police commissioner. His name is James O'Neill but the N._y._p._d.. Did announce the officer has been suspended effective today in keeping with longstanding practice when there is recommendation for firing and we do have a video and I think it's important to continue to show this just of what happened to Eric Garner that day and it's been five career. Take a look among you told you the last the two I'm GONNA put yeah. It never gets better. It's just as as a horrific the twenty time watching it as it was the first time and so the cops are protesting the Blasi all over before before the debates. The cops went all the way down to Miami to do a protest the Blasio the Blasios didn't even fired the Guy <hes> I think he's he's acting way too slow on it otherwise very good progressive but on this issue by I'm sure that he has his hands full with the police constantly crying and crying and crying. Why can't we murder people on the streets? Why can't we just kill them? Oh boo-hoo us. You won't let us murder citizens by choking him to death so I you know I wish he was a little bit stronger there. I wish I was a lot stronger there and so I know it has to go through some process. I know that there's a lot of good reasons and batteries add reasons for hey. We had to let the Federal Justice Department weigh in on it. It's trump justice department. We knew what they were going to do right now. They were waiting for the judge the judges Wayne and now we'll get away from the police commissioner well Gee. I wonder where the COPS ARE GONNA. Come out on this look at the end of the day they might find the guy because of too much political pressure but to me. That isn't really really the issue like the cops say hey it's not fair you know they tell us all the time that this is a seatbelt maneuver and we could do it and so you guys are taking it out on Pennsylania Pantaleo when you when we do this stuff all the time in a sense that's right right and then the community says we'll don't choke us to death and that's definitely definitely right. So what's the correct answer. The correct answer is don't let people the cops choke people to death on the streets fix the actual policy the the actual policy. Don't tell me look you can't have it both ways either. You really do have a policy as choke holds and this was a choke hold and it's the autopsy Said said it was a homicide. It was the chokehold that led to the death okay and you're like no no listen guys man. We do not allow this under any Goddamn Dame circumstances and this guy is a bad apple and the cops should be the ones most aggressively pursuing this guy for making them the rest of them look bad out of Control Guy Guy who choked to death on a street and now all the cops are bad they and their by the way you're cops you're supposed to be law enforcement and you should go after Pantaleo. If it's not the case ace then you say hey you know what then I will get depends but I'm gonNA fire his boss. I fired his boss. I write because his boss apparently allows this and now they're all defending it like Oh yeah of course why can't I just chocolate our own citizens to death. Well okay then you should all be fired. You should all be fired then so which one is it should we fire that one cop who killed Garner or should we fire all of the bosses in the New York Police Department and who think that this is a perfectly fine to choke their own citizens to death and I wanted to show you something that the city's police union said calling the judge's recommendation pure political insanity insanity and saying this if it's allowed to stand the ruling it will paralyze the N._y._p._d.. For years to come and they actually kind of threatened that commissioner saying that the Commissioner Action will lose his police department if he follows the judge's recommendation good good I hope he does. I hope every God damn racists in the New York. Police Department resigns immediately eighty leagues. Oh my God I can't show people in the middle of the street. I resigned good. Get out a God. Damn it man I get worked up. I'm sorry about that. <hes> I mean the nerve of people the nerve of the cops say now you're not GonNa let us choke to citizens the debt and Oh oh my God. You'll lose me if you don't let me murder citizens in the streets for no goddamn reason God i WanNa lose you. I am I look I'm going to go through this with a Billion Julia time on the show. You guys are against all cups. No I'm against the training. I'm against the system a culture that says that this is okay. If it wasn't okay then I didn't we would all agree the cops would agree the mayor would agree everybody would agree. We'll obviously the guy did something that was not okay so he should be fired right like in a a normal work environment. You started choking someone and killed them. That would not be okay. That would not be okay. You would have been fired if you weren't fired. People might think that it was okay then you could go around in a work environment and sugar co workers or pick any other example right at McDonald's wherever right on owner oats cops are allowed to murder people no they're not. It's actually quite the opposite they have an extra responsibility with the power the badge and that gun that they have to be more careful careful not less careful. It's their job to be careful. It's their job to protect us and not kill us. If they can't handle that job they should leave. They should resign or be fired and something to Kinda. Just bring up in terms of how broken the N._y._p._d.. System is is so in two thousand fourteen the year Garner was murdered. That's the year that the internal affairs started tracking police complaints about bias and from that time forward they've received twenty eighty five hundred complaints sixty eight percent of those complaints about the police have been biased based on race or color internal affairs has substantiated enchanted none of them none of them hold any weight whatsoever. All black people are lying. That's a good policy if you don't let a smear ear every black citizens of New York and every minority in New York well then we're gonNA resign please. I'm begging you do it. Can we get look you know I am mad at de Blasios. The answer should be looked police commissioner you do whatever you want. Okay you got a job to do you make any decision. You're comfortable comfortable with. I'm not interfering with it but I also have a job to do. You make your decision then I'll make my decision okay if you don't fire him and his boss and his boss's boss you're so goddamn fired and all fire everyone that thinks that this is an acceptable policy because I'm not GonNa let one more black man die in the streets because the cops would like to do it and get away with it and that's so important and something that Eric Garner's daughter said she said finally someone has said this cop has has done something wrong and we haven't even gotten just that somebody's saying the mayor saying this but we have gotten it's him almost running on this platform is like you know showing how police brutality affects his son as if he doesn't run a police department as if he's not the mayor of the biggest police department in our country if he can't even just speak <unk> out against what happened with we haven't had him just say that Yup and the thing is too that really gets me because I went to John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. They're trying to be a COP. I have tons of friends the N._y._p._d.. And I love them greatly and it's unfortunate because so many of them provide a public service but then you have individuals like this Pantaleo Gentleman who who essentially choked Garner to death and then on top of that you have people in Staten Island who are unwilling to S- Attorney's office unwilling to do something about got it and then you have the police department also willing to do something about it you finally have the Citizen Civil Review Board saying he needs to be fired then you have this administrative law judge saying he needs to be fired but now now we have to wait for the Commissioner to actually do something and only in seventy three percent of cases does he actually punish the person and only in forty two percent of those cases as he actually actually go with the punishment. That's recommended recommended so we're sitting here with a fifty fifty. Is this guy going to be fired and so if he does get fired for political reasons that's fine as long as it gets done to send and the message that needs to be sent and then everyone else also gets handled accordingly because this is not okay so progressives when you get into elected office be stronger yeah oh the cops are going to complain and put pressure on you so what they do that anyway do yeah first of all who cares right Ah only one time who cares at least be super strong and do you do what you know is right and by the way the people back you do that and then second they get a wall. It's not like they go easy on you anyway. Thank you protests about you anyway. What is there left to lose and you think you're ever going to appease? These guys. Ice Never never look I know there's such justifiable emphasis on Punt Leo that because he's the one who actually did but to me that is actually as horrific as it is relatively minor compared to all the people defending him to all the people say he's. He's not a bad guy that this is a perfectly acceptable thing to do that. Other cops should also motor citizens in the street well. That's a much bigger problem because that's saying that N._y._p._d.. Is Not here to serve and protect. Its an occupying force for the powerful in New York. Maybe they work for the rich and Manhattan and if you are doing on that day he wasn't he was selling loose cigarettes. He was actually trying to be a good Samaritan. Okay we we don't care will kill you with impunity and if anyone dares to question our impunity will put a ton of pressure on him saying we should get to kill people no and if you don't understand that this is a With badges with power who have the license to kill and the gun all gang up on one guy if that doesn't turn your stomach he didn't do anything wrong. He wasn't a target target okay. He was trying to bring up a fight but hey it's a big black guy. Okay good enough. He didn't listen to the COP for one second good enough to kill him. Good enough to kill you. If you're on that side I'm not on your side and for all the people were constantly trying to be neutral neutral neutral well. Some people say you should be able to black like people say that he does not GOB game neutral argument. No you should not be allowed to do that. What the Hell police do we run and so still right right? This minute still not fired and still has most of the cops in his gang back him up. Look guys last thing. If I had a gun I would be more responsible possible not less responsible man. I'd be really really worried about what to do with that. I don't WanNa going off. I don't want to hurt someone right but even without the guns and even without the badges mean Lina Bunch of guys went out and and one of them was choking to death. You know what I would do a jump on my friend and pull them off so he doesn't kill the guy right hm any rate. Why are the cops have the opposite mentality? The cops should pull the guy off even more not less the OH. One of our own is killing someone. Well good all right good job. Let us know where you're done okay and then afterwards they're like all good. He had to hear that's hey. That's the law that's ballsy. He had to murder the Guy Hi. I'm tired of it man. We're all tired of it and so if you WanNa cry about Oh my God you don't respect the cops I go cry about your own president who doesn't say you should follow the law and hates as law enforcement. We actually want the law. We want the rule of law but we want it for all of the citizens. It's not too much to ask for it. Just isn't if you think it's too much to ask for to protect all citizens equally then you're not American Asian leave every move onto our next story here a representative action and take a break. We're gonNA take a break. Oh case Steve. I can calm down enough not to curse okay but the the rest of the stories are not going to help the situation okay so trump goes after cummings again in a way that is not just childish but you guys people who follow trump. Are Your so pathetic. You're so sad. I'm going to explain how sad you are. When we come back? I also want to tell you about about one of our new partners. One of our newest sponsors is the weekly on F._X.. From The New York Times the weekly is a new T._v.. Series in pursuit of truth each a half hour episode features a Times journalist investigating one of the most pressing issues of the day and also brings unparalleled journalism to the screen so oh definitely check it out <hes> they talk about everything from the collapse of the taxi medallion industry to the impact of GM's transformation into an automotive tech company every every Sunday the weekly tells these stories in an unforgettable way you can catch episodes of the weekly streaming now on Hulu all new episodes airing on Sundays at ten ten pm on F._X.. Bag on the young Turks couple of quick comments. I <hes> Nielsen's is any person who looks at that video and sees nothing wrong. As a person I would never take my eyes off of agreed and and never be friends with so they the Joe Biden keeps wanting me to get along with people right. Oh why don't you just get along with segregationist and Republicans and Mitch McConnell Donald Trump no no. I'm not going to get along along with someone who looks at that video. Thanks that was the right thing to do to murder. That guy in the streets was the right thing to do. Well then you're capable person and I want anything to do with you. Silent silent approval says remember or to the person who filmed the murder was harassed immensely thrown in jail. That's right because the N._y._p._d.. Gang decided Oh hey this might this affects us a little bit. Oh my God how dare you so you reveal the truth. The truth is the worst thing corrupt people can deal with so they throw them in jail. Okay that's how sick this system is by the way there's a lot of cops who watched the show and and like the show and I'm see them in the streets all the time we talk etc but guys you gotta start standing up man especially. If you're in a position of authority you gotTA stand up and say I can't take it anymore. We gotTA stop killing people and are we ever going to do anything about the training. Are we ever going to do anything about like hey you guys keep telling us get the situation under control kick their ass slam slam their heads and on the ground to choke holds. pull out your gun immediately. Don't take any risks are stop telling us that that's crazy. That's what's leading. Everybody getting killed so anyway last one David Simpson from a twitter says that chokehold isn't even allowed in U._F._C. and change the seat belt maneuvers maneuver going under one arm and over the opposite shoulder to restrain. I I know brother. It's a total BS. Thank you for giving clarity on the specifics of it but there is no I know allowed maneuver of any sort where you put your arm on the guy's throat. It's just it's not a thing that exists okay so now you see me worked up here. I hope I'm not this worked up because the debate one of our own hosts new show we're running the summer called agitprop is with Hassan piker and he's taken on the capitalist system. I guess the bear Turk right there to Y.. T. Dot com slash yeah but actually the first guy he's GonNa come out as me because I still call myself a capitalist and soon we're going to have a two hour debate. Wow Okay by the end. Can you get me to become full-blown Socialist Day. We'll find out what or you'll find out. If you watch <hes> make sure you're not dot com slash agitprop <hes> that starts on Tuesday next Tuesday okay and then on a lighter note Lance rettig is GonNa Join Brent early on happy half hour. No they will not be going agitprop right after and there will be no bats involved the only drinking okay Lieutenant Daniels Lieutenant. That's a good cup. That's great the words such a good show cops imprisons. Yes yes so angelenos on Monday August fifth eighty M Jews news against ICE PROTEST PROTESTING GEO group at the private prison company that operates ice detention and it'll be at triangle park so if you're in Los Angeles or from Los Angeles L._S.. Please come down and join us. It's going to be an extremely moving and impactful protests. Did you see Jews against ice cracked okay. Oh I love that group okay so we we've broken some stories that they've quoted as well and and some of them about their protests and the isis reaction to their protests check that out on T._y.. Dot Com <hes> under to I._T.. Investigates what's next for all right so congressman Elijah Cummings his homes actually broken into and the president responded with sarcasm. It's so you're calling the president but <hes> here's what happened coming said I was notified of the intrusion by my security system and I scared the intruder way by yelling before the person awesome gained entry into the residential portion of the House so Donald Trump treated response and he said really bad news. The Baltimore House of of Elijah Cummings was robbed too bad. Here's the thing the burglary happened early Saturday morning right before trump started his week of racist attacks against it's the congressman and the entire city of Baltimore. Essentially you'll remember it started with these tweets. This is Elijah Cummings has been a brutal bully shouting and screaming Leeming at the great men and women of Border Patrol about conditions at the southern border when actually his Baltimore district is far worse and more dangerous. His district is considered the most in the U._S._A.. Or it's proven last week during a congressional tour the border is clean efficient and well run just very crowded. Coming district is a disgusting lasting rat infested mess infested. If he spent more time in Baltimore maybe he could help clean up this very dangerous and filthy place and here's the thing trump has actually tweeted something about representative Cummings or the city of Baltimore every single day since he started doing this Saturday morning and then only to lead up to say earlier this week that African Americans were happy with his attacks. Watch this the White House and myself as letters. There's and emails and phone calls every see more phone calls then I think on any other subject of people from Baltimore and other cities corruptly run and by Democrats they can be forgetting about those people are living in Hell in Baltimore. They're largely African American. You have a large African the American population and they really appreciate what I'm doing and they let me know what do you think guys. Are You appreciative. I'm trying the African American community that was calling. I guess I'm not a part of it and it's weird because I thought my whole life I've been discriminated like I have been so gosh it also today's making light of the burglary. That was just a bit too far for Nikki Haley of course a former U._N.. Ambassador to the U._S. Ambassador to the U._N.. which also kind of weird to say she had been defending trump's tweets his racism against Baltimore but today she replied with this is so the unnecessary which caused Kellyanne Conway to hit Haley back with? This is so unnecessary so it's like you can't even just take why when you see just even more so there's two things let me do the tweet I if you notice that the end of their tweet tweet Kellyanne Conway said trump pens twenty twenty so now why does she put that in the tweet because she's saying don't think about running against us. That's what that is. It's about okay now. Which then leads you to question? Why did Nikki Haley? Send the tweet in the first place okay which then leads you to realize there that some people inside the Republican Party are now counseling Nikki Haley that she should consider running as trump now trump has a stranglehold if you well on the Republican base so everybody knows the fool's errand to run against trump in a primary the primary was tomorrow on the Republican Republican's side and Nikki Haley served under and she's been cowardly craven and sucking up to him the whole time trying to write off his base so why start to divert away away from it right now especially as elections get closer and closer well. There must be some base of Republican politicians who not only think maybe there it should be a revolt against trump but maybe know something that is going to put more damage on trump soon and hence would open up an opportunity in a primary to run against job otherwise right now just going out and saying Oh yeah I don't like trump is signing. Your own political death warrant in the Republican Party and Nikki Haley is a slimy politician who would never do that so she's angling so she must think there's an angle and other people are encouraging that angle so what did they know about the state of trump trump that we don't or perhaps they're finally beginning to realize yeah the guys that Goddamn Lunatic and at some point this thing's going to blow and then we're going to have no nominee would then what the hell are we gonna do right so now back to the original story who writes about a look. There's a lot of corporate Democrats Democrats. I can't stand there's the entirety of the Republican Party pretty much. I can't stand the elected officials and although I'm going to get to their voters in a second to and and then the so if but if their house got broken into I I would. I don't think I ever write like too bad right because I'm not a jerk. You guys the guys who follow trump. You're basically basically like the the sad dumb knucklehead that sitting next to a third rate villain and go go to bed right boss. That's who trump voters are. You're so sad and pathetic. You're the guy you're following is clearly the villain the movie movie I mean which good guy a movie like or any story you've ever heard of childhood store any anything that has a moral of the story. This is the hero ever go. I'm glad you are. I've never seen that. I've Oh by the way Republican voters go ahead and get triggered. Go find a safe space and start crying right. Now I talk no. It's like the situation with Cummings. It's clear that he's <hes> he essentially is in a position of power right now you you know being on the oversight committee and possibly being able to reach into trump's finances dealings what's going on in terms of the White House with the hatch acts potential violations and it's really interesting interesting because when the Republicans were heading up this committee over the years they really abused their subpoena power and I think it was back in about ninety seven to two thousand two Dan unburden he sent over thousands of peanuts and a lot of them going directly to Bill Clinton stuff to get info and he abused it to know extremes and Dan hey it's clinic cummings could probably do that for trump situation as well and so trump decides to attack him so Adrian Gray Point and now you're GonNa give me worked up. Okay Dad Look Democrats. I'm so tired of your man so the guy call trump calls cummings a bully hilarious hilarious <unk> obviously trump's the bully. Can we've also seen this one thousand movies in one thousand stories throughout human history. What are you supposed to do with the bully? You're supposed to stay enough to you're not supposed cower that only encourages so yes you fight back with everything in your arsenal. Yes something in your arsenals called impeachment. I don't even want to get back into that's obvious to me now today. Finally a majority of the Democrats go oh yeah maybe we should've beach right but beyond that every one of you should be calling him what he is. A child filed a loser pathetic failure every speeches start with now recollecting back on the six bankruptcies Donald Trump had because he's such a miserable failure. It's it's so easy to get under his skin. It's so easy why don't you pick up a microphone and saying and then he'll attack wildly because he has no strategy satiety and he'll be an idiot easily all glad you were Robin. Glad you're caked. I'm glad you were murdered. Whatever he'll say anything because he's a terrible terrible person? Just hand them some Goddamn lab but not so scared. I'm so scared. What are we going to do like ninety percent of them should be primary the Democrats Democrats? You can't fight this guy retire all right. Let's move onto the next all right so a man actually had to be checked out in the hospital. It'll after being assaulted outside of trump rally in Cincinnati Ohio. Take a look it yeah so it <hes> it's being reported. Several witnesses say the man who was later taken away by police who threw the punch is a trump supporter right in what is going on surprising. It's just brutal everytime it's hard to see every single time you get your so worked up and so angry about what another person is simply saying Yep that you get out of your car in hit them and Vinas. He didn't just get out of his car. This Guy Dallas Frazier. He's twenty nine. He drove from some place in Kentucky. He's ninety miles out of Cincinnati Ohio to be able to attend this rally and then you see him. Get Out of the car. He attacks a sixty one year old man. This man is twice his age and he delivers six lows to him. It's like are you absolutely crazy. You're going to fight this man for speaking out against trump and and this from the people who claim that their advocates of free speech. How do you like them apples so i Adrian's going to say the same thing who hits a sixty one year old who punches a sixty one year old in the face was not even defending himself right out of all the protesters astor's? He picked that Guy Right. He's like Oh no not a young guy not a big old a sixty one year old I bet I could punch him in the face and get away with it so I mean and then you wonder why you get called deplorable look. It's horrible to watch like what what has he so worked up. Your a person is the president right now. Why are you still so mad? They're willing to you know essentially exact violence on behalf of the president over and over and Onate Joan. They're willing go to jail behind their love and I think he can only go for six months. He's getting an assault misdemeanor one charge up to six months in a thousand dollar fine. It's like come on. This should be something greater in this circumstance. I got to go to prison. I bet he doesn't know probation. Go pick up some garbage garbage et Cetera family yeah. That's what they'll say. He looks like he comes from a nice family. You guys are as of right by the way he came. Go you want some no. He didn't want he didn't he sixty years old. He didn't come to fight poor guy though he said afterwards. I didn't go down for what it's worth her brother so at least they did arrest them. Guys on both sides. Stop punching each other in the face because he's going to devolve. It's already devolved evolve punching. Someone in the face is already a terrible thing to do and remember this three hundred million guns in the country's. Stop punching each other in the face it. It was always a bad idea on any side so there's this other story. A trump supporter actually New York claims that he was assaulted by what he says. It's fifteen to eighteen team kids just for wearing his make America great again had his name is John Torn and he said he couldn't identify the suspects in great detail because all of this unfolded unfolded in about ten seconds one girl flipped my hat and then within five eight seconds I got pushed from the back and my face hit the scaffolding pole. This is what he said and you saw that picture of him. He says it happened just for wearing his make-america-great-again hat eighteen kids you know it's like if you roll roll up in my neighborhood and a white hood the same thing's going to happen to you and so that's effectively what a Maga- hat is now but don't do it. Don't do it. No we can't and then you would okay then the other side side. If you're wearing on Obama hope should gonNa Punch. You and we're all looking each other nonstop terrible idea like I'm sure that I disagree with that Guy Disagree with any guy wearing wearing a mega hat right and you're a minority trump's on your side look. I don't have a high degree of respect for your intelligence or your political know how for sure right but that doesn't mean that you assault a guy. We have got to stop this violence because I mean and guys if you're on the left wing and I not apparently these are kids so that that's no excuse but they're immature etc etc but it doesn't matter whether your kid or you're an adult. You're on the left wing. If things start going towards violence. Who Do you think's going to win okay? Who Do you think is going to out violent other side? I I got news for you. It's the right way. The right wing is going to resort to more violence and greater degree of violence and they'll you probably have the cops backing them okay and and so it's both wrong morally and it's so so incredibly stupid strategically so it's wrong on two counts and and and I guess Dallas Frazier Guy from the earlier story also felt empowered like hey it's okay the government's on my side so I just assault older older people in the streets and get away with it. I'm glad at least like I said earlier that they arrested and they should arrest those kids who assaulted that trump supporter as well yeah. Let's do that see what you should do is instead of assaulting people get really worked up into a talk show like fare. Get aggressions out. Hopefully okay guys. We'll be right. This episode is brought to you by Cox TV from Cox. You can find all your favorites all in one place it does it have the youtube you bet at what about that net flicker thing mhm net flicks too and although superhero movies come to her has all the latest titles on demand. Oh my grandkids love that big green guy. I prefer the one with the hammer myself okay. I think we're done here now. Get all your favorite apps shows and movies right on Contour T._v. from Cox. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks. If you WANNA get the whole show and more exclusive content while supporting independent media become a member dot com slash this join today in the meantime enjoy this free second back on the Young Turks and couple of comments three guys Tiago says looking forward to Tuesday and agitprop can't wait look. I don't know what Hans got prepared for time to prepare so I can wait but I won't renew for two hours but he's GonNa keep pounding away me to try to get me stopping capitalist okay to I._T.. D Dot Com slash agitprop. Check that out <hes> so comma Gal writes in trump <hes> colleague L. Might Watch agitprop rob anyway. <hes> trump would probably pardon him anyway referring to the guy who had to sixty one year old yeah. That's true but if he could he. I'm wouldn't be overly surprised prizes. It'd be looked into it. Nicolas says once again trump is only two things in his quarter racism and the economy with economy failing. He's gotta be. He's gotTA pound hard on racism if he doesn't he won't get a single vote in twenty twenty. The market is you know has taken a little bit of a head over the last week <hes>. I don't know if it's real yet or it's going to bounce back backup. It is the bubble has been strong for some time. If it bursts on him God help us all he'll lose the election but he'll go out punching in the worst sway as you can imagine then I really worry about a war with Iran and I worry about what else idiot Mosser will do to try to recover in in his ratings six. Okay all right so this video that you're going to see in it but it's pretty hard to watch. This story is three years in the making so this week we all got a video made public after three year battle between the Dallas Morning News and the Dallas Police Department. It's a video of an incident that happened after a man a thirty two who your old man excuse his name is Tony Tempa that was his name he was thirty two years old at the time he actually called nine one one saying that he was schizophrenic. He hadn't taken his medicine and he was scared. We find that he was unarmed. At the time police get to the scene. I think it's important to note that he was at a store and he had been handcuffed by store security so he was already partially restrained his hands. He was not able to move his hands. He was handcuffed. Officers got brought to the scene and decided he needed to be further restrained and so they put him on his stomach in the grass face in the grass. One of the officers knees on his back and then proceeded to stay this way for more than thirteen minutes while making jokes to take a look at this video talk to me. You're gonNa tell me you yacht club and that's below the Tony so like I said this went on for thirteen minutes when he initially stopped responding the officers were laughing making jokes about waking him up for school. Eventually paramedics get to the scene and he's lifted onto a Gurney and at that appoint his body is limp. His eyes are partially open and listen to what the officers say okay. I think I think you did breathing the funny killing Kim a week waiting. Fortunately we know he did pass away. County autopsy report ruled Tempa died as a result of sudden cardiac death due to toxic effects. Excuse me of cocaine and physiologic stress associated with physical Kohl restraint the physician who examined him ruled his death a homicide saying the stress of being restrained and extreme physical exertion contributed to his demise police. <hes> previous claimed that temple was aggressive and that they only use that level of force to prevent him from rolling onto a busy street treat now his mother and her lawyers released a bunch of evidence that eventually led to an excessive force lawsuit in Federal Court and in an indictment the grand jury indicted three of the officers involved Kevin Mansell Danny Vasquez and destined dillard but in March the Dallas County district attorney dismissed the charges against him and they returned to active duty the next month. I just think it's important to remind bed. He called Police Kathy. Yeah the there was no crime here. I JUST WANNA be super clear and they didn't respond to crime thinking He had done it or any thing along those lines. He said I'm schizophrenic. I didn't take my medication and I'm really worried and so so please come and help me and the cops came and instead of helping him they throw him down. They Zip tied his. I feat as well as his legs as well as his arms and then they laughed and laughed as you know he passed away wh- where's the help where's the Goddamn hell he ask for help and so this goes to enforcing the same thing we discuss every time which is policy and training if if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a now so a guy real responding to a call of gunshots. Okay bring the hammer right you. You respond to call someone who needs help you. Bring the Hammer. We why did you bring the Hammer. We would know he asks for help right and every police department who isn't adequately training there cops to know when there is a medical situation as opposed to physical safety situation well then you're doing a terrible job and whoever's the commissioner. The chief should be fired. I mean how many times are we going to see people that have some degree of you know mental stability issues or however you want phrase it get killed. There is the homeless guy in New Mexico. There's this guy and they were and he's he by the way he's wealthy wealthy in a Mercedes etc in this case I mean the culture for the cops is it doesn't matter. All I have is a hammer. Where's the Goddamn nails? Let's go into the ground because all we ever get trained is we never I mean they say that they trained on De Escalation. I haven't seen it right and I get it. I get it in the news. You see the bad things and you don't see the day to day stuff. That's goes finding number of course I'm sure they're good cops around the country that do deescalation too but there are far far far too many departments that don't teach is that they teach the opposite no matter what happens escalate at the end of the day you're supposed to serve and protect. Does that look like what happened over there guys and if somebody you knew fear competent. Somebody looks like they need help. I know that sometimes they're faking it. We're not unaware of that. We're not like Oh golly gee. We're ninety liberals. Oh sometimes people were faking of course we know that right but sometimes I need you to consider this. Sometimes they're not faking. Sometimes they actually need help and there are about to die okay so you might want to consider that option after he got him Hog tied now and I look at a lot of sociological research studies and they pretty much confirm firm that when you have large groups of men without enough female presence that you get neanderthal behavioral like this and this is why we continue to have this almost FRAPP way experienced because because we do not have enough women in the department as well as the oversight that we need and so it's something that culturally seemed to be getting worse but also with the advent of the the body cameras were wearing. We're really getting to see what's going on because otherwise we were just for lying on these police reports for what decades centuries kind of just saying it went one way and that's all we had to go with and now we know it's not a safe place to be if you're in the polices company actually want to follow up on there's one other thing right so think about why they tied him up in the first place which part of the culture triggered this right because it's obviously endemic to police culture all across the country. It's not every police department but is far are too many so they go to help them but once they're there since he's schizophrenic and that's what he asked for the help. He's a little little panicked right. Oh we are now have a one percent one of one percent one percent chance of being harmed ourselves. We might scratch N._l.. or a paper cut or something while we're trying to help this guy so training kicks in your much more important than the citizen go kick the citizens ass. It doesn't matter the original cause was don't ever ever take a chance with your physical safety. Take a chance with the citizens safety nope. The training should be reverse being a hard job notes not almost anywhere in the country. You could take out a gun and murder someone and get away with it. If you're a COP. That's the easiest job in the world. Okay okay. It would be a hard job if you're doing it right where we asked you. Hey We empower you with a badge and a gun but we're asking you to from time to time. Take your safety fifty into risk because you're there to protect the citizens right and when citizen calls for help let alone any situation situation and cops dealing with if a little out of control because they have a mental issue or health issue. Your answer shouldn't be this God. Why do I keep doing us today today and two yeah you're upset? It's understandable complaint. You're not every reaction should be slammed to the ground and until he stops breathing so can we train officers to not do that and when you when we asked for that incredibly simple request on behalf of black people white people that he knows Asians poor middle class and now rich right cops go as if they're the victims like how how dare you we have we are affronted and this is we are offended that you would you dare complain when we killed people in the streets streets. Yes we'll go ahead and be offended. We find it far more offensive that you keep killing the citizens and another part of this a lot of people were upset with outside of the fact that the brutality Taliban the aggression there was the joking and the mocking this man and it just seemed like there was just no compassion whatsoever. He's obviously unconscious and there is lots of laughter joking about L.. Potentially killing him the Dallas Morning News also got audio of a Dallas Police Department disciplinary hearing audio from that and in that two of the officers involved Tony Tempest death actually told department leaders that they mocked this handcuffed man while he was pinned to the ground as part of a strategy to prompt the response from him. Oh my God what does that mean like. Come on. It was just frat boy antics they were looking at his license. They saw he lived at a wealthy place and started making yacht club jokes while he's on the ground he suspended completed like you said Hong type like this is just neanderthal culture and then they protect each other and last thing is if I'm the person responsible for this area. Whoever is commanding in that whether it's the mayor who hires here's a police chief or whatever might be right? My first reaction would be not to target the three guys who were there. I'm not saying I would I would do very serious investigation and I would likely weekly fire them for letting that guy but I would. I go to their boss and go what the Hell's your training did you train them. They you're supposed to hog tie who asked for help and if they stop breathing to not care about it and not to inquire. Is that the training you do what the hell are other cops in. This area also trained to not respond John. was someone stops breathing because because that's that's your training. You're the first one fired first. One fired should be the bosses. Are we have one last story really quick here. I don't think he's GonNa get you that upset. It's frustrating but no one died. Fortunately in this story people are actually upset after a picture went viral showing what appears to be a policy dictating <hes> hairstyles for black kids at a Georgia elementary school. It's a school right outside of Atlanta. Here's the picture we have it and in this photo you can see in the left hand top corner. You have what's called labeled appropriate hairstyles and it's just three four little boys with leg. It's simple bald-faced sharp line in the front and then we've got on the right what's considered inappropriate. Hairstyles and on the bottom left inappropriate hairstyles too little black girls one with like corn rows the other with the same aim hairstyle up until I was maybe ten just a bunch of little pigtails with Baratz on the boys. If you can't see them they just have like lines cut into their hair. Our little froze <hes> so the district the school district happened in Narva Jay Harris traditional theme school indicator. It's part of the DEKALB HAP- county school district and the district officials actually put out a statement saying the picture doesn't reflect their system-wide grooming policy. I want to show you part of the a statement says the images depicted in this post in no way reflected the cab county school district policy regarding appearance. This was a miscommunication at the school level and this being handled by school leadership non traditional schools at the Dekalb County School district sometimes have the option to enforce dress code and style standards errands. Let it go it. See Your Twenty nineteen right. I remember growing up. They had there were more more schools that had dress codes and hairstyle codes and stuff. My went to public school so I I didn't have that but like it's so I remember the Yankees wouldn't allow mustaches or beards because it was a sense of what is decorum so if you played for the Yankees you can't be Slovenly and and have a beard really like we're still doing this right okay. Your hair should look like this. Why do you care about what my hair looks like all right? What a Weirdo? Oh thank you care about. You know where it comes from. It's actually a conservative. I don't mean to make it political in that sense. But what do I care sure. If you WANNA get political okay but I'm telling you about our brains are wired because her brain is wired to respect tradition more and and think the tradition by definition mission is better right but you should follow tradition for the sake of tradition whereas I look at it and go yeah but why why were we doing that tradition. Was it a good tradition or about tradition and traditionally being well kept and this is an all religious and so this conservatory goes all the way back it's actually particularly pronounced in in Hinduism and and for seeks et Cetera but in a different way you have to make sure that you either cut your hair or don't cut your hair and your hair has to be maintained in a certain way so look. It's not three thousand years ago where if you didn't have certain grooming habits than you might endanger the community eighty in there might be more spread of disease. That's where it came from. That's why it was in the religious texts but we forgot and now in the year twenty one thousand nine hundred and we're like oh remember what that Rabbi said three thousand years Geico about a situation that doesn't apply at all anymore. Let's do that but what is it. I'm thirty three now. We're that same hairstyle as a little kid. In two thousand nineteen it is traditionally. It's just traditionally black and that is the case and so many different places there long it takes to put forty nine different ponytails if that that is unkempt. I don't even know what he did. Their hair like it is just because it is traditionally black the hairstyles that are culturally black that are dreadlocks braids French braids brains that are just as simple protective hairstyle four little black girls or little boys wanting to wear their fro and not cut it down. It is seen as dirty no not nice women still to this day in the women who wear their natural hair J.. R.'s hair would get him not called back to a job interview passing corporate companies in America yeah no as a matter of race and the fact that the hairstyles we saw on the right that that's more associated with otherness. It's that reminder that screams oh it's blackness here so let me try to minimize that as much as possible. Make sure you have straight hair. Make sure you don't have breath make sure you don't have corn rows. It's that erasure of otherness so so that we can pretend you're part of white culture and that's something that is acceptable and we've seen that all over the nation and Fortunately California and we just had the crown act passed so you cannot discriminate against me based on my hair because the length we women have to go through to put our hair in a way that socially acceptable. You just want to remind you. Guys are one hundred percent right so it's both things there's like this whole school idea. There's a certain way you have to look dress code hair etc then you combine mine on top of it. There's a certain way you should look at is traditionally white right and so and we forgot that the country's not all white anymore and he never was of course worse but we just don't take other people counter like that doesn't look like a traditional no as not knowing very traditional if you're African American right but they don't take into account and it's so it's a disaster on both fronts and I'm going to come back to my point just because I mean again we'll use at Berkeley J._R.'s hair. You guys have seen it on the he's. He's a senior producer. He's also on air you've seen before. It never occurred to me. I run to you. I T- I I never spent one second thing about jared here until you Joe Senate like why. Why would I care about somebody else's hair I just I'm amazed by that? The someone's like oh I gotta make sure regulate on that air. I don't want that guy's heroin in law school. They pulled aside and had conversations with us as a group with the black law students and talked about. We'll guys if you have your hair natural. If you have dreads whatnot the law firms won't take you so you need to make your cuts now and like my boyfriend shaved. His head took out his dreadlocks so he could get in a major law firm. That's what they tell you how we're here naturally so you have to straighten your hair because you won't get job now because you hear some beautiful because half and it's it's gotten a lot better but because you will come across news directors who will be like liquor here a little more traditional and honestly if we've normalized black hair
Ep. 80 - When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
"No single case in modern american history shows just how hard justices to come by for black families impacted by police violence and the brutal public lynching of eric garner yesterday the officer responsible for this murder was fired which his injustice it's barely even in the ballpark of justice but still police unions furious and white police officers all over the department are outraged in donors of now given over one hundred thousand dollars to support the officer who murdered eric garner. I think it's all a metaphor four for exactly where we are as a country right now. Let's dig in. Let me break it down. This is sean. Kane and you're listening to the the breakdown down the breakdown a breakdown over five years ago on july seventeenth twenty fourteen on a hot summer summer morning in staten island new york n._y._p._d. Officer daniel pantaleo brutally murdered eric garner who was a beloved son husband husband father grandfather and murdered eric in broad daylight while being filmed surrounded by eye-witnesses witnesses yesterday after five years it it hurts me to even say that five years of deliberate liberate delays officer daniel pantaleo was finally fired from the force now. That's not justice. Pantaleo literally should would have been fired the day this happened or at least the week this happened or the month this happened and that should have been step one for the family of eric garner but here's what i know and it really hasn't gotten talked about very much. Officers get fired from the n._y._p._d. Every single month and hundreds of officers get fired every year in when they get fired. It's rarely for something that happened five years ago or even five months ago officers routinely get fired for falling asleep on the job. They routinely get fired for lying about overtime for falsifying paperwork and a long list of other offenses but the n._y._p._d. Just could not bring themselves the fire officer daniel pantaleo and yesterday during two different press conferences. We really learned why let me break it down with a quick break their first n._y._p._d. Police commissioner james o'neill he had a press conference yesterday and we already understood what he was going to announce we at least knew he was going to make an announcement about this case emerald garner the daughter of eric garner call me early yesterday today morning and let me know that her family had already been told that an announcement was coming down and that he would be making the announcement. I himself i and james o'neill he had his press conference where he eventually did announce his decision to fire daniel pantaleo but before he made made the announcement he gave about fifteen minutes of excuses for why the decision was still so amazingly hard art for him and on one hand. That's not a surprise because clearly if it took you five years to make this decision clearly you're struggling but it was disgusting to hear him. Say just how difficult of a decision it was for him and i wanna play you just a a short clip from his announcement and it's one of those both sides types of moments that people seem to feel really pressured to make in two thousand nineteen like he really through eric garner under the bus for most of his announcement. Most most of the announcement was not about officer daniel pantaleo. It was about how problematic in disturbed he was by the actions of eric garner and i just want to play a clip of his announcement because what he tried to do was to make it seem like what eric garner did that morning in what daniel pantaleo did with somehow equal and they damn sure let me play the clip for several minutes on that widely viewed video. Mr garner makes it abundantly clear that he will not go willingly with the police officers refused to cooperate with the arrest and to comply with law florida's. The video also makes clear it offers officer pantaleo original efforts to take mr garner into custody appropriate. The one believes that officer officer pantaleo get out of bed on july seventeenth two thousand fourteen thinking he would make choices and take actions during an otherwise routine arrests that lead to another a person's test but an office choices and actions even made under extreme pressure matter is unlikely that mr garner thought he was in such such poor health at a brief struggle with police would cause his death over and over and over again commissioner o.'neil blame the entire aaron counter on eric garner on him allegedly selling a single cigarette to a man he blamed it on him having asthma on eric eric garner resisting arrest but the truth is that the police were actually call to that corner not because somebody saw eric garner selling a cigarette cigarette which doesn't bother anybody but police were called because a fight had broken out there and eric garner was actually the peacemaker who broke broke that fight up but police commissioner neil he left that out he never mentioned he left out that air garner had already filed multiple complaints against n._y._p._d. For their repeated harassment of him all over new york including one humiliating complaint where they strip searched him and made him take off his pants in his underwear in public just to degrade him. That's what we really witnessed on. That video was a man who had been harassed by police his entire life in o.'neil. He left all of that out. He left out. How eric garner was unarmed. Non-violent had never said a single cuss word raised his voice in the entire encounter. He left all of that out. Eric garner didn't cause this the n._y._p._d. I pee dee caused this in. They caused it with their desire to confront in arrest man who had literally just broken up the fight he had literally just helped that community but because the n._y._p._d. Refused to see that and refused to see the eric garner is fully human that day they literally treated him in that moment like he was the criminal they came there to confront and and i was furious not just to hear all of the excuses that the commissioner made but he said something in particular that i just can't let go. He said one line that stuck out for me and i just can't get past it. Commissioner o'neill said that if he was just an everyday officer sir on the force for the n._y._p._d. Instead of the boss instead of the commissioner that he would be mad at officer daya pantaleo was being fired or he would be the angry about it and that's very telling because daniel pantaleo clearly violated department policy and and eventually in his announcement o.'neil made clear that day oh pantaleo violated multiple policies and had multiple opportunities to turn around around to let go of the chokehold and even when he could have let go refused to do so so how are you mad that an officer officer who violated one of your own policies that cost a man his life. How are you mad that he got fired. You can be mad when you know let me let me answer my own question. You can be mad when you think the rules don't don't actually apply to you you can be mad when you think you're only an enforcer of the rules but don't have to abide by them yourself and there's a quote and i wish that i knew who the originator of this court was because i think it's one of the most important brilliant quotes of the past few years and i think it's it's particularly appropriate in this situation. The quote says when you are accustomed to privilege equality feels like geico pressure when you are accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression and n._y._p._d. Officers particularly we white n._y._p._d. Officers are so accustomed to privilege that win. A family gets an ever so so tiny little sliver of justice five years after this should have gotten it five years after their loved one was murdered the n._y._p._d. Still thinks that they are being oppressed because they didn't get away with violating a policy on camera seen by witnesses in broad daylight that gotta man killed that just a little tiny bit of justice makes them feel wronged and that is proof of privilege. That's what privileges because when you are accustomed to privilege just the little shadow of equality feels like oppression and nobody a show that more yesterday than n._y._p._d. Union boss pat lynch and i don't say this lightly was one of the most evil leaders in america who got got on the mike yesterday and never even mentioned the losses of the garner family never mentioned that a man was murdered never mentioned that that man's daughter died pursuing justice for her father pat lich got on the mic full of rage and anger and contempt that one of his officers wasn't able to violate the rules murder someone and still keep his job. They're not happy that this man not in prison. He's not in jail that he wasn't found guilty of multiple crimes which he should have been. That's not good enough. They're mad. Had this man lost his job for basically the most gross violation of department policies that you could ever imagine i wanna play a short clip of pat at lynch from yesterday. This is after o'neill has made his announcement after the family of eric garner solemnly came to the mic through pain and devastation the station to sit how they felt about it. Let me play the clip for absolutely essential that the world know oh that the new york city police department is rudderless and frozen the leadership has abandoned ship and left dr police officers on the street and i thought that yesterday to me and i say this is someone who has been close to this case who was personal friends with eric garner the daughter of eric garner who's friends now with emerald and eric junior and the entire family family including eric's widow and his mother and others. I thought yesterday was a painful metaphor for where we are as a country right right now. A black man is dead. His daughter is dead and it was an open and shut case in we barely early even though it was seen in broad daylight by witnesses and filmed by brave man ramsey order who's in jail himself right now. Even though all of that happened we get this tiny little sliver of justicy a small semblance of closure after five years too late in his still set people off people in power particularly white people in power our conservative white folk in power. It's set them off that. This devastated family got just a tiny naini measure of something right. This is why we ever needed to say. Black lives matter in the first place because the system from top to bottom treats black lives like they don't matter. We shouldn't even need to say that phrase black lives matter because because of course black lives matter but we need to say because when this system shows just a little tiny bit of value to the lives of black folk wife oh can power just can't break it. Bring the bring the bring bring again. Thank you all for making it all the way through this episode of the breakdown. If you haven't already subscribe to our podcast we'll be right back here every single weekday breaking down important news stories in issues and we'd love for you to subscribe on your favorite podcast apps like apple podcasts or spotify spotify. Please share this podcast with your friends and family because our next big goes to get to one hundred thousand subscribers and we're not going to get there without you you also have you left a review yet. We love when we see the great reviews of all of our members. We have now over ten thousand five star reviews and we'd love you to add your tool thank you of course the nearly thirty thousand founding members of the north star whose generosity even makes his podcast possible. We love you on appreciate. She's so very much and if you love this podcast and you want to support our work or you want to see the show notes and transcripts free episodes. We'd love it if you'd consider becoming many of founding member of our community at the north star dot com there we not only have all of our podcast but hundreds of original articles and stories and commentaries some of the leading scholars and thinkers and journalists in lastly shoutout to our associate producer asandra and pod casting director and senior producer willis in their hard work on this and every episode. Take your body <music>.
It's Time to Stop Whining and Present Solutions; Plus, Eric Garner
"<music> hey guys welcome back to whiskey tangos rundown and i wanna start off by saying. I am really sorry about last week. There was no podcast. There was no videos and i never got video or anything out during the week. Unfortunately there are going to be weeks like that because i spent my entire weekend last weekend doing homework and i did not have time to twenty research. I didn't have time to sit down and record video between being absolutely the exhausted having tons of homework. I just didn't get around to it so you'll have to bear with me as i said earlier in when before all this started. There's going to be weeks like that. Also i want to apologize in case. There is any background noise in this. I am actually recording this in my car on the way home from school on trying to find time wherever i can find it and this is where i can find it so this week. It's not going to be much news analysis. I'm not going to i'm not going to do you like free thought or anything like that. I'm just gonna kinda discussing topics. There's something that i have been thinking about for a while. Now i saw a presentation a presentation recently and it was it was very good. It was a very very good presentation and the speaker was absolutely incredible. He was so powerful as a speaker. It was just it was incredible. I mean he was somewhere between mm-hmm being a public speaker and being a preacher but he was incredible and he came up and he spoke and it was mostly about the history of race relations and it was really a history of slavery and black people through history and it was an incredible the presentation he did a really phenomenal job with the really captured your attention and capture attention and it was honest. It was an honest look at our history story and i liked what he had to say to appoint it. It started to kind of decline at at one point and it became name calling there were some racial slurs used things like that and i kind of sat there and thought to myself when it got to the decline point that he was missing a massive opportunity after what he had just presented and what he put what fourth to to everyone who was in the audience. I thought he missed a massive massive opportunity but but unfortunately it's one of those opportunities a lot of speakers at a lot of activists etcetera etcetera seemed to mess and that opportunity is solutions after you go forth and you present such a good case for what you're saying you have got to put in dan solutions. You have got to put in an encouragement and you've got to put in some some realism now. He missed that that opportunity but i kind of want to take that opportunity because i've been thinking about it ever since and it's it's really something that's been playing through a mind for a while and i thought you know what i actually want to get this out and i wanna put it out there. I i wanna start. I don't know we can get a conversation going or if i can encourage somebody to move forward and actually start doing some of this work but i wanna talk talk about the way things are in the country right now as far as the division along racial lines and along religious lines on a long sexuality and it cetera et cetera et cetera the older i get the more anti political party becalm i really i'm at a stage in my life where i've really just hate political medical parties and i'm not saying one over the other i hate all political parties hear me out mm-hmm. I hate the political parties because they really do not serve a purpose and i know a lot of people out there think they do and i know a lot of people out there that their her political party is the one that's gonna save the world. They're not the whole goal of political parties and the whole goal of politicians is to get and keep power so they will do and say anything to get and keep power and it doesn't matter who the politician is which political party it is is it's even the third parties they will do and say whatever they have to to get and keep power as the entire goal the bigger government gets the more of a problem that becomes because you're more people will start to believe what comes out of these people's mouths and more and more people will believe what they're being told and more and more people will believe what their platforms are saying and they're going into thank. Their political party is going to save the planet. It's not their goal is not the american people they're not. Their goal is not to unite us. Political parties thrive more on us in fighting on us hating each other and us going to war against each other. That's how they thrive. That's how they get power because these people turn around and they look at these political parties as if they are savior and they look at these political parties and they think look at the state that we're in you've got to help us and these political parties turn around and say we're going to help you and then they put they put gasoline on the fire because the more we are divided the more we we searched to them. The moral laws we want the more rules. We want the bigger we want government to be because for some reason we have been convinced that government is going to solve all the problems at the political parties in these politicians who have been in marisa beginning of time are going to solve our problems and they're not trump's not gonna fix what's going on. Obama didn't fix what's going on. Bush has held in fix that damn thank clinton infects a damn thing etcetera etcetera etcetera these issues that are going on our country right now have to be solved by society all this hatred and all the love is taught. You can go back into your history your childhood childhood your your your education all of that and you can look at the stuff that you were taught the things that your parents taught you the things that your friends taught you the things at your schools taught you and you can piece together and fine wear your beliefs came bro emotions not all but as far as things like racism and homophobia and transphobia and <hes> you know people who for whatever reason hate poor people and things like that a lot lot of that stuff is taught so when you look at your government and you look at politicians and you look political parties and you're hoping for them to save us the only way that they can quote unquote. Save us is to create laws but laws don't change the heart of people you can ban things you can make things the illegal you can be as politically correct as you wanna be. It isn't going to fix the way society is not going to fix the heart of man it. It may push in under the table but it isn't going to actually fix the heart of man when you go out on the streets and you're confronted with somebody who you disagree disagree with and it could be somebody that you vehemently disagree with somebody. Who is you know an all out. True honest to god died in the wool white supremacist will take that as a we'll take that as an example do you seriously think screaming at them calling them names and cussing them out is going to change their mind mm-hmm. It's not you know what that does that causes people to dig in and that happens on every on every single level. It doesn't have to be extremists. It could be somebody who is dead center politically they give an opinion that you don't agree with and you start screaming at them and calling them names and calling them an idiot and calling them this and and accusing them of that and all this other stuff and guess what's going to happen. They're going to start leaning more towards side. They're going to lean more towards the side that isn't doing that. They are going to grab onto an opinion that they may agree with or they may have just just been convinced to agree with because of you and they're gonna again. If you want to fix the situations relations that are happening right. Now you have to change society and government is not going to change society. Politicians and political parties are not going to change society any you know who's going to change society you. You're the one is going to change society. I'm going to change society. The guy that was up there. Speaking has been a change society the people that he was speaking to are going to change society. It's all of us. It's up to us to change society but you have to do it the right way. Now i'm in law school as some of you are already well aware and there's been some issues that have been brought up. We've just gone through like an orientation month and things like that and they're they're. You're bringing up issues and things like that things that we have to watch out for in in law and stuff like that especially in various states there are actually states where <hes> in the courthouses it is so vastly frowned upon for women to wear pants in the courtroom that they will actually humiliate women who come in and pants they are almost required to wear a skirt court and this is the lawyer. This is the lawyers were talking about. I'm not talking about <hes> the people that they're representing and stuff like that this assist lawyers and one of the issues that was being brought up. One of the girls brought up. <hes> black women's natural hair. This is where some of these opportunities are massed and there was an opportunity missed there too and this didn't have to deal with the speaker that i was listening to because he was not involved his you know oh two different two separate stories but the person who answered this young lady's question about black women's natural hair also missed a massive opportunity and this young girl is in school to become a lawyer and she is going to be presented with a unique opportunity and somebody needs to encourage her to grasp that this unique opportunity what i would have said to her. Is this as a black woman. I implore you to keep your natural hair forever. Don't do anything to your hair. That is unnatural to the way it grows out of your head. They keep it and fight for fight like hell for it and this is what we should be teaching people. This is the when that speaker meeker was here. That was the opportunity that he must. He could have directly addressed everybody in the crowd but especially the african could americans and he could have told them that this is your opportunity to fight. You have got to fight the correct way. I'm not saying by violence. I'm not saying by hurting people. I'm not saying by self segregating and things like that. You have got to to fight to change society the way society thanks you have got to fight like hell until the day you die and on top of that you've gotta take care of yourself so that you can make sure that you live as long as possible so that you can fight for as long as you possibly can because it's up to you to change society. You're elected. Officials aren't gonna do it. Vol's aren't going to do it. Government isn't going to do it. Your political parties are sure as hell not going to do it. It's up to you. It's up to me. It's up to all of us. The change that situation at some point in time you have to turn around can't turn a blind eye anymore. You have to understand what's happening happening. You have to stop complaining about it. You have to start formulating solutions and this is where the discussion comes in. I know that there's a lot of people out there that don't want to include other people in the discussion about issues that involve them and i've been confronted about that in the past. I don't understand it because i don't understand how you fix problems. If you only allow one group to take part in the conversation that doesn't fix anything that's a bitching circle that is not solutions that is not fixing the problem and we have gotten to a point now where everybody has to come together and everybody has to fix us and somehow we have to turn off the televisions. We have to stop listening to these politicians on both sides. We have to stop listening to the news media and we have to start listening to our neighbors at some point in time. You have got walk outside and realize what you're being told is not what reality shows things are far more harmonious out there than anybody buddy wants you to believe the politician sure. Don't want you to believe it. The media doesn't want you to believe it but things are a lot more harmonious than you think they are. When is the last time that you walk outside and saw somebody of the opposite race of really really thought that your life was in danger. It's been a very very one time for me. I can tell you that. I don't remember that ever happening. I grew up in an area. That was very mixed. Racially i mean we had every race. You could ever possibly imagine in my school so i never looked at people like that. I always tell people on an individual basis because assholes coming all races and they come uh-huh and all genders and they come in all sexual orientations and etcetera etcetera etcetera so you can't judge people by a group and that's the first step is to stop judging everybody as a group nope and to start judging people on an individual basis. You can't take one group of people and say okay well a couple of you. Did this your all the all the blame 'cause that's not the truth so we need to get to a point where we start looking at each other on an individual basis and i've brought this up before in podcasts believe i brought ended up my stream of consciousness if i'm remembering correctly but we have to stop looking at each other as a group and we have to stop looking at each other as a group stereotype so we need to take take each other on an individual basis. You're not just this. You are this but that's the least interesting thing about you. Your sexuality your race your gender etcetera. That is the least interesting thing about you and it's the least interesting thing about everybody. You will ever meet you. Are everything everything that makes you up and that is that is included. All of that stuff is included but like i said it's the least interesting thing about you. You are a mixture of so many things things and everybody you meet is mixture of so many things and if you start taking people on an individual basis you'll begin to understand that and some of this division will start. We'll we'll start to break down because now we're not this group against this group because now we're all individuals instead of being in groups. Were not in our boxes anymore. We're getting out of those the boxes and those are the things that we need to do and yeah you might have to fight for some of those you might have to fight tooth and nail to get to that point but it's a fight fight worth fighting and it's a fight that you should pass down to the younger people if you as whatever you are have become he comes successful. Go back to your respective communities and encourage other people in your communities show them. I have the success. I have achieved this you can to here's how that is what's lacking in most of the speeches and most of these protests and most so these rants and all the stuff that i hear is the here's how there's a lot of complaining. There's a lot of listing all the problems that this one has in that one has has and you know <hes> the who's the blame and who's this and who's that and here's all the name calling etcetera etcetera but there's always a lack of here's how and that's what we have to start focusing on. Here's how we are all done with listening to. Everybody's problems we. We know that they're out there. We know what the problems are and we feel bad for you. The majority of people out there want to help they wanna fix it. They wanna do something. They wanted to unite the country break. They want all this garbage to stop. We don't know how and it takes some of these more powerful people to come forward and say here's how and we have to have discussions to get to that point. We have to start coming together as a people ask fellow countrymen and say. How do we fix this. How do we get to this point. How do we change the hearts of my <hes> hearts and minds of men. It isn't going to happen through laws. It isn't going to happen political correctness. You can't force people to change but you can change society in small leaps and bounds and we were working on that at one point but it seems like we are going backwards and we have decided that we're not gonna do that anymore. I don't i don't understand why so that's the point that we're at now. Let's stop bitching and complaining and moaning and whining and lamenting and blaming and name calling and let's start coming up with solutions because either you wanna fix it or you don't and that's where government becomes a problem because government your politicians political parties the media etcetera etcetera. They don't want to fix these problems so they aren't going to present solutions. You have to come up with them on your own. They aren't going to present solutions because they want you to depend on them. They want you to vote no for them. Because you think they're gonna fix it. They are not going to fix it. It's us that's gonna fix it so we have to start coming up with our own and how to's because you are going to find them anywhere else. Nobody's going to hand them to you. You have to start coming up with ideas solutions. Had we fix success. How do we take the first steps. How do i be an example. You might have to be the first person that changes. You might have to be the one that takes the flack. I've taken plenty of flack. It sucks it sucks hard. Stand your ground. We aren't gonna fix this country by helping somebody else. Does it waiting for somebody else to do. Things just perpetuates the problem. That's how nothing ever happens and we keep on talking about on how progressive this what is and how progressive that went is but they aren't presenting solutions. They're sitting there and they're capitulating and they're they're sitting there. Beating themselves does with their white guilt or whatever the problem is but they're not presenting any solutions. We don't need martyrs. We need solutions. We need heroes heroes and that might be you and i wish when we were confronted with speakers like this gentleman. I wish that he would push that. I wish that he would remind these these people that he can start with you and you're not too young and you're not too old. You can do it at any point. In your life life you can start changing the hearts and minds of society and that starts by changing your own heart in mind you have to start looking at your fellow americans and you know your neighbors for who they actually are and that means taking them as an individual. Don't look at your black neighbor or you're white neighbor. Just look at your neighbor. Who is this person other than their race or their sexuality or their gender. Who is this person. What is the more interesting parts of them then start doing that with every single person you meet. Do you know how quickly society would change and how how small the division vision would be if we could get to that point where we looked at each other that way it would be incredible. It would be world changing but everybody's gotta get onboard. Everybody's gotta take a deep breath and start taking. Everybody's individual not a group of white people or a group of black people. It's an individual white person in an individual black person who should just be an individual person in an individual person that is how society ages. That's how we change things. Those are solutions every time you win a fight. Don't take a break. Get up and start the next fight the girl with that. I was talking about with the natural hair. That's one of her fights and that's the one that she should be starting with. When she becomes a lawyer she needs to fight like hell. The change the culture of law to accept the natural hair of black women. There's nothing wrong with the natural hair of black women. It should be accepted. We are beyond a point in our in in time where this should no longer be a question. It's the hair that grows out of your head. What's wrong with it absolutely nothing but you may have to fight to actually make that common make that common thing make that a common understanding and she he might be the one to start it. She should be the one to start it but somebody might need to encourage her and so far. I haven't heard anybody encourage her and what i would tell her is don't ever get rid of your natural hair and fight to make sure that other women come forward with their natural hair and continue to perform their duties and do their job without having to worry about somebody's going to say about their hair without having to worry about getting fired or being told that they have to spend hundreds of dollars to do whatever they're. I don't what it is exactly. There's are supposed to do to their hair but they shouldn't have to if they want to. They should be allowed to just like anybody else but they shouldn't have have to. That's her fight and i hope that she takes up and i hope somebody encourages her and i hope somebody helps her and i hope that she finds those solutions because does that should be her. Solution is fixing that situation and here's how you do it now. Sticking to the theme of big government is not your friend. There is in fact one news story that i did want to talk about this week and you'll have to forgive me. I don't have an article in front of me because i'm driving a car. I wanna talk about eric garner. He is back in the news and the news that is surrounding his story. This time is that it was decided that the police officer sir who performed the illegal chokehold was going to be fired. The eric garner case is one of several that i actually agreed with the victim instead of the cop op. I'm torn on all these cases. I take each one individually. I don't automatically side with the cops. I don't automatically side with the victim icon to try to take a look at the facts or whatever facts that we are. We are given and then decide from there and i cited with eric garner and his family on this case for multiple reasons first first of all i've heard all the the excuses and reasons and yada yada yada the fact of the matter is he performed a chokehold whether you like it or not whether you want to admit it or not he performed a choke hold on this dude but i wanna talk about about some of the deeper aspects of that case and why i cited with eric garner and his family and why remain on the side of eric garner in his family and we're going right back to big government is not your friend what was eric garner under arrest for he was under arrest. Ask for selling lucy's lucy's are single cigarettes from a pack. He wasn't selling illegal packs of cigarettes. He was selling single cigarettes out of packs and they call all them. Lucy's and i had friends when i was living in new jersey. Who sold lucy's. I don't know how things are up in new jersey right now. As far as the cigarettes cigarettes i believe eric garner was new york. I believe but i can't. I can't imagine the tour very much different so i'm going to tell you how it was as a smoker in new jersey because i did smoke when i was in new jersey. I know that the tax on the cigarettes up there is astronomical right now. I haven't got the slightest idea how much a pack of cigarettes costs anywhere. I haven't bought a pack of cigarettes in seven years so i don't know what they cost but i know that the price of cigarettes in new jersey is like three times times what they are down here in north carolina it. They're they're astronomical okay. They also in new jersey and this was going on when i was was up there. I don't know if they're still doing it but i can't imagine that they abandoned the practice. If you were smoking on the street in new jersey cops could could come up at will and asked to see your pack of cigarettes and you had to present the pack of cigarettes to them what they were checking for. Obviously they would open the pack of cigarettes. I had run ins with cops almost daily in new jersey. I mean i was constantly being chased around by the cops. It was just a frequent nightmare but what they would do is they would open your pack of cigarettes and they would search through it to make sure that they were all actually cigarettes then they would flip the pack of cigarettes over to see that there was a stamp on the bottom and if you didn't have the stamp you could be charged my believe leave your fine for it. The stamp on the bottom prove that you bought the cigarettes in new jersey and you paid the tax okay so you've got all of this is crazy crap. That's being put into place over something. That's legal yes. It's bad for you but it's legal okay. It is a it is a legal thing that you're allowed to do and i find it really funny that everybody is so you know freaking out about <hes> cigarettes vaping and all that stuff while pushing for the legalization of marijuana. I wanna anything that you inhale in. Your body is not going to be good for you. No matter how you rationalize it anything you inhale into your body that is an oxygen is not going to be good for you. There's it's gonna be something wrong with it. Okay so live and let live. Just let people live if people wanna smoke. Let them smoke. I don't have a problem with that. I'm not one of these people that gets all you know high and mighty smokers. If you wanna smoke and you enjoy smoking then keep smoking but if you don't enjoy smoking then quit just understand that it's not good for you. You understand that right at this point. You know smoking isn't good for you. I'm sure you do now. Okay great now new york new jersey and a whole bunch of other states have put all these laws was on the books and they've done all this crazy crap. They've made it astronomically priced and they keep forgetting the fact that you don't just magically stop smoking. Stopping smoking is not not easy. I think they like an it's trying to quit heroin. Okay and i can tell you from my own experience. It was not a fun time when i quit smoking now. Now i used vaping as a switch okay so i actually still vape and i don't really have any intentions of quitting because i enjoy it but i used vaping to switch from. I'm cigarettes over to you know something else and you know my breathing improved things like that but we're not gonna get into all that but i'm looking king it all these these laws and everything that they're putting in trying to get people to quit smoking without taking that into consideration that it's not easy to quit. You don't just quit most people well. A lot of people are so addicted that they will pretty much pay just about anything to get those cigarettes okay so they're going to keep on paying it and now you have created another crime. What do i mean by. You've created another crime well. What what i mean is that you have opened up. The floodgates the black market because now all this stuff is really expensive but it's not as expensive in other states and <music> you can roll your own cigarettes on top of it so these things can actually be created by people and then they can go out and they can start selling it and they are. They're just sort of taking the the opportunity. They're capitalizing on it. Okay so now what shouldn't be a crime is okay so eric. Garner was capitalizing capitalizing on the fact that smokers are pretty much being. Wait government for lack of a better word. They're being taxed to death jeff over something that you're not taxed to death everywhere for on something that you should be free to do it isn't government's job to tell you how to take care of yourself and what vices you are allowed to have and what vices you aren't allowed to have or whether you're allowed to have ice at all that isn't governments roles mm-hmm. It's become its role because we apparently love having him humongous government but that isn't what was intended for government that wasn't the intended governmental governmental role telling us what we can and cannot do to our bodies okay but now he's capitalizing on this and there's this new crime of selling lucy's selling black market cigarettes and now he's getting arrested for it. He's got an illegal choke hold being done on him and he died unnecessarily because government can't leave people alone. That's where we backtracked on this. We the government you can't leave people alone and there's too many people out there that are fighting and yelling and screaming because they want the biggest government humanly possible and then there's people like me that when government to be shrunk down to such a size that it becomes the necessary evil but doesn't become the ruling factor in all of our lives. I don't want government being the ruling factor during my life. I don't want government telling me how can and cannot live my life. I don't want the making my decisions for me. We all do things that are bad for our health. We all do things that are bad for mental health. That's just life and it isn't government's role to tell us what we can and cannot do and every time whenever the government gets bigger crime gets bigger because it always creates more crime. There's always loopholes. There's always a way to capitalize. There's always a way to make money and then you have somebody like eric. Garner who goes out and sells lucy's he could've have been selling heroin he could have been selling crack could've been doing any of that it wasn't he was selling something that was apparently already legal but was being taxed to the point where he knew do that. Smokers needed their fix. They wanted their facts and they were going to go out and get it. One way or another all he was doing was providing that to them at a cheaper price than what stores were doing and it was a crime because he was telling them without the tax and now he's dead because big government. This is why i keep saying i have been saying since i swear the beginning of time leave people alone. This is not the free country we keep touting it as because we are not allowed to just be left alone. You're not allowed to make your own decisions. You're not allowed to make your decisions about your own body. The only thing in the world that you truly <music> own and we don't anymore because now the government is deciding how we're going to do it and because we love it so much we can rationalize malign to death and we will and i know i'm gonna have people my comments that are gonna come in and they're going to rationalize it to death and feel free. Rationalize it to death but don't kids yourself into thinking you're free and don't kid yourself into thinking that you're safe because you're not yeah eric. Garner committed a crime it was the crime was not worthy of the death penalty. That cop did perform an illegal choke. Hold no matter how you want to rationalize that as well he did in fact perform any illegal chokehold and eric garner her is dead because he was being arrested. He was given a cold while being arrested for a crime that shouldn't have been a crime but it is because our government is he's too big they go. I'm from the government and i'm here to help. Uh-huh god save us all anyway guys. I appreciate you spending some time with me. That's all i got for you. This week. I will in fact tried to get back next week and hopefully have an actual podcast. I don't know how much <hes> how much news analysis i'm going to be able to do. I know they had done that poll. I ask you guys if you want me to do news analysis or videos like this you know or the podcast like this tom not sure how much do the news analysis takes a lot of research. It takes a lot of time and while i enjoy doing it and it's it's what i set out to do. When i started the podcast especially breath i don't have the time to do the research properly and i don't want to present you guys with bad information and i don't wanna try to give an opinion on something that i'm not informed about because that sucks. Nobody wants to hear that so. I'm not sure how much of that i'm going to be able to do. I have not been very up on the news. I started started law school at the beginning of august and <hes>. I'm very behind on the news. Most of my time is being spent doing homework might actual troll <hes> my actual semester starts <hes> not this coming week but the following week and once that starts. We're going to be doing towards and you know things like that. My time is going to be absolutely swallowed by doing wall. School and law school is always going to come first so i hope hope you guys are going to be able to bear with me because i'd thinking videos like i did hear and podcasts that i did hear are going to become the norm. I'm going to try to get some news news analysis in their as best i can but it's not going to be the way that it had been. I just can't do it trying to draw trying to juggle that kind of research plus doing my homework correctly and studying for exams and you know all the stuff that i need to do to actually prepare and hopefully top of my class. I don't have time to do all of that so you're going to get a lot more podcasts and videos like this so i hope you guys can bear with me. <hes> if you get down to the description you can find the link. That'll take it every bit of social media and i'm on. I am heavily using snapchat lately <hes>. I'm trying to get back into using twitter and i'm always on facebook. You can contact me all those places. You can follow along. Whatever you wanna do and guys with that being being said that's all i have for you this week so i will see you next week and in the meantime have a great week <music>.
Ep. 59 - How To Make Change
"Just moments ago the trump administration announced that they won't be filing any charges against the N._y._p._d.. Officer Daniel Pantaleo for the murder of Eric Garner as you know Eric was murdered exactly five years ago tomorrow role in for a few moments today I want to unpack who all has failed this family 'cause they failed them for five straight years and then I want to quickly pivoted teaching us a key lesson on how we can make systemic change together together as you know we're building special team that we call the breakdown crew. What's our action steps team and I have a book coming out? Call make change it comes out next year and I'm going to teach you some of the main points of the book on how we can fight for change in win together. We're going to win all right. We go to organize. We're going to win. Mrs Shaun King and you're listening to the breakdown the breakdown of a breakdown not a hundred percent sure that you would even know me at least know me in the way that you know me now as somebody who's fighting against police brutality tally against mass incarceration. I don't even know of you know me in that way at Eric Garner not been murdered and you may have heard me tell the story before but it's really a huge part of my personal origin story Dorian I. I was not doing this work. In the summer of two thousand fourteen all the way back in July of two thousand fourteen five years ago I was actually working at an environmental charity called Global Green and and I was the director of communications at this charity for the National Office and and really what that means as I was overseeing emails and social media and press releases and I use a lot of those skills in the work that I do now but I was at my desk at at my cubicle and I got a facebook message from a buddy of mine that I went to Morehouse with and this is the middle of the summer in two thousand fourteen in our offices were in a really beautiful location just a few blocks away from the beach and Santa Monica in Los Angeles in Southern California and I met my cubicle and I get a facebook message from a buddy of mine that I went to Morehouse with who was from New York and a guy that he knew you had just posted the video of Eric Garner being killed we at the time we didn't know Eric's name had not gone viral it had not been shared widely and it had been posted on Youtube at the time I am a friend described what was in the video and I haven't clicked link yet but many of you have probably had this type of moment happened before where your in front of people who you aren't sure if they share your political views or you're not sure they understand the world away you understand it and so I'm at my desk and I don't know if I should click on this video now. You have to go back in time with me a little bit because five years ago when you just say like that doesn't seem like a long time ago but so much has changed in five years because at that point in time there had never been a viral online video of a fatal incident of police brutality now sadly horribly we've now seen dozens if not hundreds of these videos since this video but at that moment in time I had never seen a man die before I'd never seen a man literally be alive in one moment fully alive fully free and in that incident go from being fully alive to breathing his last breath I seen that in the movies but fiction reality of very different and my friend described the scene for me and he says Sean you're going to have to do something about this and he said John as a middle-aged black man on a random street corner in New York. I don't think he says Staten Island at the time said a random street corner in New York any in broad daylight the officer chokes him to death like Radio Raheem from do the right thing and my friend described it in the message as like a U._f._C. style style chokehold that was put on this man and my thought was like what the Hell in forgive me for my retrospective ignorance but my thought was I. What the hell did this man do like my friend described in an officer walked up to the man put a chokehold on him and literally choked him to death but what my friend described was a man who was unarmed nonviolent and was calmly asking the police to leave him alone in in my mind at the moment sitting at my cubicle? I was thinking like there's a missing piece to this story. You have again. I protested and Organiz against police brutality before but I'd never seen what I was about to see when I clicked on that video and I clicked on the link I waited until lunchtime when many of my colleagues around me left and I clicked on the link and there was the man that we knew <hes> at we we didn't know at the time and it was the man that we later came to know US Eric Garner and sure enough just as it was it was just as my friend had described but significantly worse Eric Garner was literally asking calmly the police leave him alone. He was explaining to the police that he did nothing wrong that he broke no laws that whoever they recalled therefore it wasn't him air could actually just broken up a fight that had nothing to do with him and the police were called because of the disturbance and he was outside chilling he'd in a peacemaker and what we didn't know at the time is that they N._y._p._d.. Had Harassed Eric Garner for years and years and years and in that moment you can feel if you know that now you can feel the exasperation from Eric Garner has just begs the police to please leave him alone. In a white police officer young white police officer Daniel Pantaleo no longer want to no longer wants to hear what Eric Garner says and literally walks up behind Eric Garner and I used to be a U._F._C. in a mixed martial arts fan and he puts what we would call a rear naked choke on Eric Garner where with his right hand he puts his right hand right around Eric's neck in windpipe and he uses his left hand to lock the choke in and he wrestles Eric to the ground and just as my friend described in a facebook message you can then begin to hear Eric Garner say I can't breathe. I can't breathe at at least eleven times. Eric Garner said he could not breathe until he died and on that my cubicle twenty fourteen not Shaun King Black lives matter activists not John King Calms for the intercept founder of the Northstar co-founder real justice pack none of that existed. I'm Shaun King Director of Communications for Environmental Charity Global Green at my desk and I am shook. I've just witnessed a man die. I knew right away that it was completely unjust that it was wrong I assumed that had violated policies and laws and we later came to find out that had violated multiple multiple policies and multiple laws and I literally never worked another productive day again for Global Green I that day started googling and researching trying to find out what are the policies on choke holds was nationally what are the what of the federal guidelines and civil rights guidelines for for choking someone to death. If a is a police officer allowed to do this I I had been an organizer in an activist but really really in a very different phase of my life and I had become very much a father and a husband had five kids and married him just kind of on the grind in southern California and I really didn't know what policies were violated. What laws were broken? I just I knew that this could not be legal and for the next few weeks before I finally resigned and they should've fired me from global green now is give them shoutouts. It's every chance I get four few weeks. All I did was began writing and advocating and organizing justice for Eric Garner and as many of you know that summer was a brutal horrible summer and many any summers are brutal horrible summer sauce because literally while people were protesting all over the country for Eric Garner chanting. I can't breathe we soon found that a young man a new father John Crawford was was shot and killed it a Walmart in Ohio that a young brother name Easel Ford was shot and killed by police shot in the back shot and killed by police in Los Angeles that Mike Brown was shot and killed on Canfield infield drive in Ferguson Missouri and all of a sudden not just entire cities but the entire nation and literally countries all over the world are protesting police. Police brutality in the United States are chanting black lives matter chanting. I can't breathe or chanting hands up. Don't shoot and we are in a moment in July and August September mburu October November of twenty fourteen and then we learned something horrible had just taken place a twelve year old boy literally why we are fighting for justice for Eric Garner honor for email Ford for John Crawford for Mike Brown while we're fighting for justice all over the country and all around the world we learned that a police officer in Cleveland Ohio shoots and kills a twelve year old boy named Tamir Rice just a few blocks from his mother's house. It is Thanksgiving break his a sweet law-abiding boy he broke no laws. No one was endanger and a police officer who had literally been fired for his emotional instability from his previous police department and a supervising officer literally wrote on the Human Resources file of Timothy Lohman the officer who killed Tamir Rice that Timothy Loehmann's should never work in law enforcement again. Cleveland didn't do a proper background check high Timothy Lohman within a year he had shot and killed Tamir Rice in less than two seconds of even seeing 'em at the neighborhood park there in Cleveland and all over the country and all around the world we are protesting and fighting for justice for these young men and boys who have experienced police brutality whose families have been devastated by the loss of their most most precious loved ones their husbands their fathers their sons and I came to know so many of those families and I think the biggest honor of my life and I talked very little about it because the relationships unshipped on personal the one of the biggest honors of my life is getting to know and support and walk with hundreds of families who've been affected in the most devastating ways by police violence in this country. I came to know the family of Eric Garner came to note a family of Mike Brown of Tamir rice and so many others but I became particularly close with my dear friend Erica Garner at the time Erica was just twenty four twenty five years soul I mean she was ten years younger than me and she was not an organizer an activist. This was a daughter named after her father apple for fathers I a daughter whose life was completely interrupted. When now a viral video of her father's execution in essence it was illegal lynching an open public lynching on a street corner in New York and she becomes an activist vist but really she just stays a daughter? She's a daughter fighting for justice for her Dan in day in and day out she fought for justice for Eric Garner and I believed in my heart because so many people promised Eric Garner and promised Eric's Wifi came known Eric's mother who have come to know and other daughters I and grandchildren and others so many people promise this family that they would get justice and I was actually one of those people like I told Erica don't. Worry hang in there. We're going to get justice for your family and that phrase or some variation of that phrasing. I've shared this story publicly just over the past year. It's taken me a few years. Stephen Build up the courage poorest share this for at least two years. I said some version of that to dozens and dozens of families affected by police violence old on hang hang in there. We're going to get justice for your family and I never thought it was not a small part of me. That thought I was over promising and under delivering like I believe we were going to get justice for Eric Garner for Erica Garner for for the Garner family particularly in that case because it was a city with a newly elected democratic mayor who came in and saying I will take police brutality seriously <hes> a white mayor progressive white mayor who though is married to a black woman with with black children and Black Sun and who campaigned saying hey I understand this pain lane differently than other people. Take it seriously our state headed democratic governor New York City had a city council almost completely controlled with over fifty Democratic City City Council people ninety nine percent democratic and the State Attorney General was a Democrat like I believed that it was the perfect nexus of circumstances we we had a democratic President Barack Obama we had at the time a Democratic Attorney General Eric holder who had been a civil rights attorney who valued civil rights and who had spoken out against police brutality and so here we are with people in power at every level. I'm thinking and speaking specifically about the murder and the death of Eric Garner here we are with people in power who can actually do something about it at almost every level except at that time a Republican who was the district attorney of Staten Island and that was the first recourse for the family and that was is the only place where there was a conservative in power and they failed I to bring charges against officer Daniel Pantaleo and other officers for lying on their reports and for being negligent there on the scene but when the district attorney of Staten Island refused to press charges against the officer who killed Eric Garner there were literally maybe seven other ways to hold this officer accountable of course first and foremost he should've been immediately fired by the N._y._p._d.. And we hear this story over and over again that there are only a few bad apples in each police department and study after study proves that no they are way more than a few bad apples some officers who have boldly talked about this say. No you know as many as twenty percents I'm forty percent of all police officers are corrupt or racist or problematic but whatever the case even if we temporarily agreed that there are a few bad apples we just agreed on that in theory what we've seen as that police departments don't even hold those few bad apples accountable and Daniel Pantaleo was absolutely is absolutely one of those bad apples in the N._y._p._d.. Wiped had a chance he violated a clear policy. Choke holds had been banned forever. Fatal Force Lethal Force physical force was not even necessary in that moment eric was not even being physical or brutal or violent he literally didn't lay a finger on a soul and for him to be choke to death was a violation of department policy but the N._y._p._d.. Failed but what's powerful in New York is that New York's mayor has oversight recite of the Police Department New York City's mayor can hire in fire the police chief and others and New York City's Mayor Bill De Blasio promised the family of Eric Garner he promised Erica Garner directly. I talked to Erica about this multiple times promised Erica that they would get justice. He literally attended the funeral in the service in the memorial of Eric Garner and said over ran over to the family they he would make sure the family got justice where here we are five years later and there was no justice for the family and he's had this power to provide the Family Justice Governor Cuomo again Democrat said Multiple Times directly to the family that he would make sure that the family got justice and they've gotten nothing no justice whatsoever not from the D._A.. Staten Island not from the N._Y._p._d.. Firing this officer not from the mayor who promised it not from the governor who promised it but the Obama Administration also also and I listen I know that when we compare Obama to trump that Obama is a saint I get it. I understand it. I believe it but that does not mean he is flawless or perfect. The Obama Administration promised Erica Garner and the Garner family over and over and over again that they would handle the case and they would make sure that it did not go to the next administration Australian now they didn't just promise the Garner family that they promised multiple families who were affected by police brutality that because the case was does this violate the federal civil rights of Eric Eric Garner and of course it does of course it violates your civil rights to be choke to death when you are an unarmed nonviolent man on a street corner in broad daylight of course it violates nature civil rights and the Obama Administration and Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch promised not only the Garner family but moldable families affected by police violence and thousands of families they promise promise that they would grant them clemency and I've literally talked to people inside of the Obama Administration who told me Sean our entire administration believed so strongly that that we were going to be passing the baton to Hillary Clinton to a Clinton administration that she would probably even keep many of the same people in the Justice Department that we regretfully did not feel a sense of urgency urgency to close so many of these cases because we could not imagine that we would be passing the baton to a trump administration well the Obama administration because Mayor de Blasio tailed family continues a failed family to this day and governor Cuomo failed and continues to fail the family. The Obama Administration seemed to be a quality option for the family to get justice and instead it. They allowed the clock to run out. Even I remember so clearly after the election the family in many families were praying and begging. Please do not let this case. Let's go over to the trump. Administration and the Obama Administration in many articles have been written about this started cramming furiously to work on thousands of things that they were prepared to just pass on to Hillary Clinton o'clock ran out on them on the family of Eric Garner and I spoke weeks before she passed away I spoke to Erica Garner and she died at the age of twenty seven literally because of heart problems but her health elf had deteriorated and I do I do blame the city the state and the federal government for failing this family and putting them in the position where someone like Erica Oh who could not let go who would not let go instead of even caring for her own health fought day in and day out twenty four hours a day seven days a week for justice for her father. It was her obsession Russian and she fought for literally until the day she died at the age of twenty seven and so many people failed this family and of course the trump administration station was never going to provide this family any type of justice but blame there is a lot of that to go around the Obama Administration had years they had nearly a thousand days to to settle a case that was filmed in broad daylight with witnesses. It should have taken weeks. Maybe months they had years and did nothing the Cuomo Administration de Blasio administration the trump administration ministration all did nothing for a few minutes. I WanNa tell you and this is for all of you. Who've signed up at the BREAKDOWN CREWE DOT com? I want to tell you not only how we get justice but how we change systems how we make change together it can be done in so much of what we're doing as right but we have to get the right pieces going together moving moving together in the same direction at the same time so let me break it down for you. Bring it what I've learned in in really studying in some ways lease in studying my failures and particularly mean all of the Times that I fought alongside activists and organizers across the country that I fought for justice for families ahead experience. I I just police brutality but all types of justice police corruption police violence racism bigotry discrimination what I have found in all the times that we fought for justice for those families in got nothing like Akkas because here's the thing in twenty four team when Eric Garner was killed he was one of almost twelve hundred people who was killed by American police and not a single person zero point zero percent none of them. Nobody receive Justice that year which is extraordinary. We're not talking about a fraction of one percent not five or ten percent. We're talking about zero point zero zero percent and what that really means in some ways is that it's a conspiracy an by conspiracy. I mean that the system is read. It is set up it is designed to make justice not almost impossible is designed to make justice in possible and and that's what happened in two thousand fourteen there was no justice now there were all types of policies and rules in laws that were broken but no families got justice because the system was not designed to give it and after doing that that in two thousand fourteen with the families of Eric Garner and Mike Brown Tamir Rice in John Crawford and others don't get in two thousand fifteen to fight for justice with the families of Freddie Gray and Sandra Bland in two thousand sixteen fighting hiding for justice for philander still and Alton Sterling and and terrence crutcher and others and getting no justice in any of those cases it caused me to evaluate what it does justice look like how do we get it. What does change look like how do we get it and it started what I would say is probably a three year process of me throwing my heart and soul into trying to figure out and trying to crack the code to determine how do we make change what is it look and feel like and how do we make it and for the next few minutes I want to share the lessons that I've learned and these lessons are at the root of my book which will come out next year and I've shared some of these lessons before but I wanna go a little deeper to unpack and explain it because ause? These lessons are going to be really at the root of the action team that we're building together because here's the thing when we started the North Star which is the parent company of the breakdown podcasts our our goal was not just to change the news. Now we do want to change the news but our goal was really to change the world to make the world a better safer more equitable place for all of us and in order for us to do that. I want to share four things that we need to make change all right. Let's break it down. The first thing that we need to make change is so deceptive and I say it's deceptive for several reasons is deceptive first and foremost because we often have it. We have this thing it's absolutely necessary. YOU ARE NOT GONNA make change without it and we regularly we have it. It's deceptive because when you have this thing it can cause you to think that change is right on the horizon that you are right on the precipice of change that you are right a on on the the edge of a breakthrough that you are about to change the game and the first thing that you need to make change. Is You need people okay and they have to be energized. You need energized people now. Here's the thing we often brain that to the table in two thousand fourteen part of why I thought we were so close to change in New York with the a family Eric Garner in Cleveland with the family of Tamir Rice in Los Angeles with the family visa four in Ferguson at Saint Louis with the family of my Brown in Baltimore with the family of Freddie Gray part of why I thought we were so close to making change to getting justice was because we have people and Tam it the people were highly energized and here's the thing when you get the way we got in two thousand fourteen in two thousand fifteen in two thousand sixteen when you get not dozens not hundreds not even thousands or tens of thousands but you get hundreds of people hundreds of thousands of people rather completely energized for change which is what we had had in the black lives matter movement where we had arguably millions of people who were determined to change the game particularly when it came to the issue of police brutality and the people were highly energized <music> is and that energy is what fueled Hashtags and trending topics that energy is what fueled protests where highways and intersections were shut down its what it's what feud demonstrations across across the country. It's what forced the phrase black lives matter into the lexicon of our public thinking and that energy was contagious. All of a sudden the entire world world knew about the problem of police brutality in the United States and the entire world learned those names that we've shared because we were highly energized for change. It's what fueled us. It's what fueled the marches the protests the demonstrations the citizens the Diane's the Hashtags the trending topics. It's what fueled all of that and if you allow it you can have energized energized people and it can be dozens hundreds thousands tens of thousands of Energize People Shutting Down Bridges Shutting down offices interrupting meals and businesses you you could have energize people people in every form and expression that you can imagine and it can cause you to thank like Holy Shit. We are about to change the game and I'll be honest with you. That's exactly what what I thought in felt because in twenty fourteen I had never seen so many people in so many places so amazingly energized for change and and I'm I'm not knocking it. I'm I'm being serious. I'm talking about from t shirts that said I can't breathe being worn by N._F._l.. An N._B._A. Players from people throwing up black fists before Games from taking knees like the energy was out of this world like it was the first time the energy of the people particularly directed toward the issue of police brutality police violence that the energy had been at that level but you have to understand why energized people are absolutely necessary essential vital. I say the bedrock of any Movement for social change. That's why I believe any movement for social change you want young people to be the lifeblood the fuel the energy of your movement and I I have side I of any movements in also of any political campaigns that don't have youth buying and so young people help bring the energy but it's not just is young people like the the the black lives matter movement was was an intergenerational energy and enter an intersectional intercultural energy of people from all walks of life highly energized for change change but that's step one and what many of us found in it put activists and organizers across the country in a horrible position. What many of us found was that it was necessary to have energize people but what we found is that if virtually not all that you have but virtually what you have are energized people but not the second third and fourth thing that I'm going to share with you? If what you're bringing to table is energized people energize people alone well we found is that systems and structures and people in power guess what are fully willing to wait out your energy. They're willing to wait you out until your energy declines disappears until your momentum begins to Wayne. They're willing to look at you through the windows of their skyscrapers or out of the windows of their offices until you are done marching arching and until people cleanup was left behind they're willing to wait that out and what we have found is that energize people are necessary essential vital to build awareness and to build would momentum but you also have to have three more things you could arguably create a list of one hundred things that you need for change but these four broad categories so the first thing you need is energized people now. Let me tell you the second break it down so you need people and they need to be highly energized but the second thing is you need people and they need to be highly organized all right it. It's a start dart to have energized people in the room in the auditorium in the streets online. It's necessary to have energized people but after you have energized people they have to be deeply organized and it's it's as necessary as the energy but we often start with the energy and get to a point point where what we're mainly focused on is getting more and more energized people without actually organizing the people that we have and I wanNA talk for a few minutes about this from two different angles I I. I need to understand that many of the people systems corporations causes and campaigns many of the the factors in factions that we're fighting against are highly elite organized in if you assume otherwise you're making a serious mistake and I'm not talking about any one group or corporation. I'm talking about the conglomerate of all the causes and corporations and campaigns that were fighting against if your assumption is that they are organized than you're wrong like my expertise is particularly in systems of mass incarceration and police brutality. These systems are highly organized in they literally took hundreds of years to build them. They are millions of people with millions of laws. You know and I'm going to unpack that even more here in just a minute but that we we are up against highly organized corporations causes and campaigns. Do you understand me that it is a mistake for us to assume that because we don't like somebody body because something is infuriating to us because it is unjust because it is evil or problematic it's wrong for us to then impose our frustration with a thing to impose on it the idea that it's not organized that it's not substantial that it's not serious and I think we often underestimate the quality of the organization of the people places and things that we're fighting against and I WANNA give us two examples of what it means to be deeply organized all right and I say this is somebody who uses social media. I use facebook twitter instagram every single day. Hey I use email in phone phone numbers and text messages and email list. I use technology everyday to start to organize people but that's all that is those things are gateways to help you began again to organize people. An email list is not organization alone so eighteen thousand of you have signed up at the breakdown crewe dot com at the breakdown crewe dot com we are organizing listeners listeners of this podcast offline so that we can smartly began organizing well. I have an email list and it has your email address for all of you who signed up at the breakdown crewe dot com. I have that but let me give you an example Zampa what it means to be deeply organized and this is where we're going next and it's why I wanNA teach this lesson being deeply organized here two examples but I could give ten and I talk about this a lot in my book. One idea of being deeply organized nine is understanding the skills experience and expertise of the people who've signed up to be a part of your thing. Whatever your thing is if it's the breakdown crew if it's your organization if it's your cause and email address asked does not tell me your background is not tell me your skill set does not tell me your passions? It does not tell me what you bring to the table other than the fact that you have access to the Internet sometimes unless your email address like literally tells us who you are and what you do somehow it does not explain to me your phone number. Your email address does not tell me what you're good at what you are going to be able to contribute to the 'cause it does not tell me how your human resources. I mean you as an individual. It doesn't tell me how your Human Resources Will Be Best Leveraged for social change and often if you think think about it think about all the petitions you've signed causes. You've supported rarely do any of them. Including political parties and others rarely do they take time out to actually say you know what we're gonNA. Go deeper. We're GONNA find out who the people are that want to help us fight for this social change so one deeper form of of being organized is finding out the skills expertise and passions of the people that are volunteering with you and here's the second example and it's this is this is sometimes more difficult to deliver if you do it it can be so productive and fruitful and helpful here would be an for example of way to get very deeply organized for the 'cause you're fighting for ask the people that are committed to your cause to rack their brains to spend a day or two thanking through the four or five people that they know that might be able to help this 'cause who were the four or five people that they know in their universe. It may mean it's a it's a relative it may mean as a lifelong friend it may mean it's a colleague a classmate and literally just ask them to commit to getting those four or five people into the cause into the thing that is that you're fighting for like. Let me let me tell you a store me and several of the people this was a few years back were attempting to find somebody who could give us access to a certain political figure and I mean somebody who had. A meaningful substantive relationship with an elected official like a relative and we just wanted to be able to persuade them to speak for them to speak to this person on our behalf about a cause that we were fighting for and for weeks and weeks and weeks we could not find anybody that fit that description only to find out long after we needed to find out that the person we were searching for their Godson was literally on our list. They had signed up. We had their email address but they didn't know that we were looking for that and what I'm saying is you may not you yourself you. The listener you may they not have all the skills and relationships that that that you need to solve the problem on your own but when we combine so they're eighteen thousand people that have signed up for the breakdown crew if all eighteen thousand of US leverage the four or five most important relationships that we have to fight for the change that that it is we wanna see now. We're not eighteen thousand deep now. We're sixty thousand people deep. Do you understand what I'm saying. We're seventy five thousand thousand deep and with serious substantive meaningful relationships so you need to be highly energized but you need to be deeply like seriously organized to go up against the things that we're fighting for and let me tell you the financial break it down. You need to energize people you need organize people and often when I see groups that are are highly energized and deeply organized. I get excited because they're they are very few like they are few in number. Most groups are either deeply organized with no energy or highly energized with no organization and if you can find a group that's highly energized and deeply organized they are they are getting the pieces together. The third thing that is necessary to make change and part part of why we struggle with this is when we are having a a reactive form of activism and organizing and I don't mean that as an insult that word reactive kind of May have a negative connotation with some people I don't mean it that way we often are fighting for people in causes and fighting against systems and structures because something tragic happened. Suddenly all of a sudden Eric Garner's killed old. Mike Brown is killed Tamir Rice philander focus still alton sterling Sandra Bland all of a sudden there is this horrible incident of injustice where someone is taken from us so there's just some horrible action and we then react to that well in that spirit of reacting to horrible incident of injustice it can be incredibly difficult to organize and develop listen to me a plan that is complex and nuanced as the a problem it is. You're trying to solve so you're energized. You're getting deeply organized but now you need to develop a plan that is as substantive and serious and complex flex and nuanced sophisticated as the problem you're trying to solve but when we are reacting to an emergency I say like this win your houses on fire. It is hard to develop develop a strategic plan on the Fire Code. It's hard to look at policies and procedures when it feels like your whole world is crumbling down on you but I need us to still even even though that is the reality that it is hard to plan when you're in a state of emergency it just is and it always will be that over and over again what I find is that get the problems of this world overwhelm the lack of depth of our plans and I don't. I'm not saying while I say this. I'm not pointing fingers I if if anything on pointing them at myself where I have gone in head I ready to to fight for change to solve a problem and I went in with the right heart the right energy and I went in beginning to organize people people but did not have a plan that addressed the sophistication of the actual problem that we were trying to solve and here's the thing the size the scope the magnitude the two of what we are often up against is regularly overwhelming the simplicity of our plans again when I think of the systems of mass incarceration they are over are two and a half million people that are incarcerated in this country right now but over the course of any given year it's over ten million people who are locked up over the course of any given year in the United States there are millions of laws. They're over a million law. Enforcement Officers Officers there twenty thousand police departments in Sheriff's departments. There are different policies in each of those different union agreements in each of those they're over ten thousand jails in prisons each with their own policies postseason locations and procedures and culture. It is an amazingly complex system. Now we can be frustrated at any given point in time because a shooting took place on incident of police brutality took place and we can important that and we can talk about white supremacy fueling system which is true and bigotry and inequality in poverty how all of those things play a factor in all of edge true but in the end we have to say are we we bringing to this problem a plan that can actually solve the thing that we are deeply frustrated about and as I've traveled the country and and and engaged and interviewed viewed activists and organizers all over the country what I found and I and I tell the story and deep detail in my book is when I engage activists and organizers who are energized and organized I often when I ask them. Hey Sh with no judgment share with me your plan for change what I often hear back in response is a detailed expert Level Volpi A. D. Level. I mean I I mean that in an endearing way a p._H._d.. Level explanation of the problem and here's where that goes wrong knowing the problem can help you you develop a plan but the problem in the plan are not the same thing and what happens particularly when we are reacting to injustice is we often become masters experts of our problems but amateurs in the plans to solve them and again. Throw me right in that boat like I'm not I'm not pointing any finger at any group in any 'cause I am telling you that our plan has to look more like a book has to look more like a magazine has to look more like a dissertation. Our plan can't be scribbled on the back of a Napkin. It can't be on a single uh-huh page of a website. It has to address the magnitude of the problem that we are facing. Do you hear me you need energize people. You need organize people in you need a nuance. We we need a nuanced sophisticated plan for the problems. We're trying to solve and then I'll give you the last thing break it down. We need energize people when he organized people so we need sophisticated detailed nuanced plans that that match the magnitude of the problem and the last thing that we need it's essential and here's the thing if you get those first three things together you get energized. People organized people and sophisticated plans. If you get those three things together nine times out of ten you're gonNA see some chains. You are going to make some change. If you WANNA grow the depth of that change the reach each of that change you can have jobs people organized people sophisticated plans but you're gonNa need the fourth thing you're gonNA need resources. They have to be well-financed again. They may not be as well financed as the the the people that we are or the people in systems we are organizing against but they do have to be financially supported and we should not be ashamed of that. That's not embarrassing. Change cost money takes takes resources. One of the things that I want us to do is to be able to identify the human resources that we have to when we organize to find out the skills and experience in education the people we have so maybe perhaps we can leverage those things things to save ourselves financially but all plans for change have to be well resourced and it is often often the missing link when I look at Causes Causes for change particularly when I look even at this cause of mass incarceration and police brutality like they are often woefully underfunded and lose because does the people and systems and causes. They're fighting against our well-funded and here's the thing if we're going to organize in a way that works we have to fight for change where we have energized people organized people sophisticated plans and we have to have the money to actually fuel and fund them to hire the staff to do the outreach to control the narrative in the media and the way so that we can actually do it and that's if we're trying to pass a statewide ballot initiative if we're trying to get a powerful candidate elected these things cost money they require you and I to say when I look at my budget. How am I a budgeting budgeting for social change? How am I budget for social good and that's my that's my request of each of you is to carve out a line item in your budget for change for social change for social good? It is as essential as your power bill and your water bill and your cell phone bill social change will only go as far as we've funded and it needs to be well funded. If it's going to mystic all right everybody listen I have to go. I have already carried on way longer than I anticipated but I'm GonNa lean back on this episode many times when I want you oughta understand that's how we are organizing change because I have one final action. Step share with you now. Take Action. I all right you know we've we've talked about not just the Eric Garner case but all of the people and systems and structures that failed family Eric Garner. We've talked about how to make change but I have one action step for you today and about eighteen thousand of you have already taken it but I am going to make a very serious announcement for all of you. Who already have tomorrow okay so please please please sign up now? At the breakdown Crewe Dot Com we will never sell or share your information. It is private and confidential and stored securely but we are going to build the breakdown crew into something very powerful. We're GONNA take those four lessons of energized people and as you that's US energize people. We're going to turn our energized group into an organized group. We're going to develop some serious plans for change. We're GONNA find them and we're GONNA make change together but you have after sign up now right now at the breakdown crewe dot com join us and hoping that we can cross twenty thousand people. I'm going to make this big announcement tomorrow. Take care everybody <music> breaking the breakdown Lebron breakdown bring.
NYPDs Chief Surgeon Lies & Says Eric Garner Was Never Even Choked
"It's Monday April eighth today. I'm reporting on one primary story of injustice. It's about an absolutely agree. Just new lie coming from the NYPD on their heinous murder. Eric garner nearly five years ago hard to believe the new live at they're telling. In addition to this story to them, but I have a set of very clear action items for us to take the gather. We'll be doing that a lot more often because we're not just here. Change the news. We're here to change the world, this is Shaun king. And you're listening to the the breakdown. The the breakdown. Breakdown. Just this past week. It was revealed that the NYPD's chief surgeon he li- climate determined that Eric garner was never choked. And therefore was not actually choked to death, and that's strange because nearly a hundred million people watched a video I saw you probably saw it nearly a hundred million people watched a video of an NYPD officer literally choking Eric garner to death in based on Dr Clemens report. I'm wondering as I read it is he going to shock the world by telling us that Eric Garner's actually still alive and at the body. We saw his funeral is not actually that avair garner and the attorneys for the man who murdered Eric garner celebrated. This report from the NYPD, they celebrated it with glee claiming that it fully exonerates officer Deo penta, Leo. And it's absolutely the most ridiculous thing I've ever. Ever seen or heard? I I had no idea that the NYPD actually had achieved surgeon until now, but I can tell you this much. He must be blind in his damn show the dumbest surgeon I've ever heard in my life. I don't know if he actually still perform surgeries or nowadays. He's just in the business of lying for living. But that he could actually form his lips to say that Eric garner was never choked should be enough for him to lose his medical license. It's outrageous in so many people are to blame for this tobacco that we even need to have this conversation now is ridiculous that the family of Eric garner is still fighting for Justice in this case is still open five years after his murder is preposterous that I don't know. If you've ever heard me tell the story that I'm about to tell. But in so many ways is the origin story of how I became a full time journalist in organizer in the black lives matter movement. Let me tell you this. For a break it down into laugh twenty fourteen. I wasn't even a fulltime journalist. I wasn't a full time. Organizer didn't have verified council social media in my life was significantly different than it is today into love twenty fourteen. I was actually the director of communications for an environmental charity called global green. Our national office was in Los Angeles. And was actually a cushy space near the beach in Santa Monica in the summer of two thousand fourteen nearly five years ago. I was sitting at my desk in my cubicle. When I got a Facebook message that would change the entire trajectory of my life was from a friend of mine from my days as a student leader at Morehouse college. When I was a student at Morehouse, I was very much the act of this. I was the youngest student government president elected there since nineteen forty seven when Dr king was a student at Morehouse. I don't know if you've seen the movie school days, but in that movie, I'd be the Larry. Fishburne character. I literally owned my own megaphone when I was inaugurated student government president I wore dashiki and put a black power fist in the air and I- rallied people against injustice. That's what I did we held forums back then on the sentencing disparities between crack and powder cocaine. We spoke out against gentrification in our neighborhood, and in nineteen ninety nine a young brother named Ahmadou Diallo unarmed non-violent committed no crime, but was shot and killed by the NYPD. They fired forty one shots at Ahmadou on the doorstep of his home in claim that when he pulled out his wallet to show them as ID that they thought it was a gun. We rallied in organized for Ahmadou and in so many ways his murder which was fifteen years before. Mike Brown's Eric Garner's the murder of Ahmadou Yalo was our Ferguson moment. For many of us was our introduction to fatal police brutality. And from that moment forward nearly every year of my life brothers who knew me from my days as a student leader at Morehouse. They would always come to me with stories of police, brutality or racism, and they would expect me to speak out on them. And that's what happened in July of two thousand fourteen a former classmate of mine at somehow stumbled across a video of police violence on YouTube it just been posted, and it only had a few thousand views and in his message. He described the video, Sean, this is a horrible video man is of a middle aged black man in broad daylight on a street corner in New York City, Sean you're gonna see the police are harassing him. And the brother tells the police that he didn't do anything wrong. They've got the wrong guy in all of a sudden a cop comes up behind him and begins choking him UFC style. And wrestles the man to the ground and continues choking him, and Sean you can hear the man yelling out over and over and over again. I can't breathe I can't breathe and Sean the man dies right there on the sidewalk. Sean, can you share this video and see if you know anybody who can do anything about it on some levels five years is simply not a long time. But if you take a moment to think about it so much has changed in the United States since twenty fourteen and at that point believe it or not viral videos of police brutality didn't even exist yet when I clicked on the link that my friend sent me this video of Eric garner dying was just as he described. But in some ways worse, I'm ashamed to say that a part of me almost assume that my friend must have left something out some missing threat that air gunner. Had to have cause to be choked to death on that sidewalk. My friend left. Nothing out just like Ahmadou DRO. Eric garner was unarmed non-violent in posed absolutely no threat whatsoever. In just as my friend described. He was choked to death at first yelling out. I can't breathe, and he repeated and repeated it until he just couldn't say it anymore, and then he died right there on the sidewalk in broad daylight. And I can't quite explain the moment. But I was shook I don't think I'd ever seen a man die like that before outside of the movies and sitting at my cubicle. I knew that what I just witnessed was wrong. I knew that it was a grave injustice, and I shared that video my personal Facebook page describing how wrong it was. And within days that video in my words. Had been shared millions of millions of times over the next few weeks. Millions of people across the world knew that phrase, I can't breathe and people all over the nation began marching in demonstrating demanding Justice for garner now the county medical examiner deemed his death a homicide and said that it was caused by quote, compression of the neck in the form of a chokehold as well as compression of the chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police. End of quote, let me read the first part of that again, the county medical examiner deemed his death a homicide in said it was caused by quote, compression of the neck in the form of a chokehold. One of the most respected medical examiners in the world. Also, reviewed the topsy in confirmed its. Original findings that era. Garner was choked to death. And as I say this to you. I am staring at a still picture of officer Daniel Pantaleo with a brutal chokehold locked around Erik's neck with the muscles in Pantaleo 's arms bowl ging as he squeezed, Eric Garner's, neck, tighter and tighter, and in this image. Eric Garner's is are beginning to Bolger out of his head in the veins in his forehead are pronounced as he struggles to breathe and even then he didn't resist arrest or fightback. I wanna know is it the opinion of Dr ally Kleinman that Eric garner was going to spontaneously combust on the day of his death. No matter what. And that it just so happened that Eric died with the arms of Daniel Pantaleo tightly wrapped around his neck. But that he was going to die at that day at that time. Time at that exact moment, no matter what it was. Just a coincidence that Daniel Pantaleo had his arms tightly wrapped around his neck because to save it would Daniel penta Leo did to air garner played no role in his death would require us all to believe that type of outrageous story. Like break dance that it's only question life what a treat. Let me tell you how we got here, and who all is failed the family of Eric garner so badly that this case is still basically open five years after the fact, first and foremost district attorney Dan Donovan failed the family of air garner full refusing to press charges in this case. And that was all the way back in twenty fourteen. It was this failure in part that helped me I understand that we need to our horrible district attorney's and replace them. With compassionate reformers who have the courage to hold violent police accountable. But after Dan Donovan failed this family, at least three systems existed that could have come behind, Dan. Donovan improvised at this family with some type of Justice, I President Obama and the Justice department had three years in power to. To investigate this case in hold the officer accountable. In fact, my dear friend Erica garner daughter of Eric garner who literally died fighting for Justice for her father. She said that both former attorney general Eric Holder in President Barack Obama himself promised her that they would see to this case was closed while he was in office. Because what happened they opened the investigation, and they never closed it leaving it open for the Trump administration to make their final determination. And of course, the Trump administration ruled that Eric garner. Civil rights were not violated. But the truth is that by never making their own ruling after having three years to do. So the Obama administration failed this family miserably? And if I had to make short list of the five sends of the Obama administration this would be on that list in their fail. Failure truly broke erica's heart. She felt so betrayed by them. The second group that could and should have quickly done something about this case was the NYPD the chokehold had been banned by the NYPD for nearly twenty years. When this case began, it's a clear violation of multiple policies. And when they refused to fire Daniel Pantaleo and instead chose to protect him for five years. It basically said to the world that they will nor their most important policies to protect one of their own. And that brings me to the last party that has the power to do something about this case in his absolutely refused to do. So. And that's New York City mayor Bill de Blasio. The mayor of New York City has direct oversight of the police department and has the power to hire and fire every single employee there including the chief of. Lease. It was so disturbing about the Blasi Obin completely unwilling to fire. Daniel Pantaleo is that the Blasios ran for mayor on the platform of holding police accountable for misconduct. He's in his second term. He can't run for reelection in many of us thought that he would be brave in the second term. But he still is in brave, and he can't say that he refused to fire the police officers for political reasons because he's in his final term. He has just lacked. The will to do it before she passed away a huge part of my last conversation with Erica garner was about her rage that mayor Bill de Blasio showed up at her father's funeral spoke against the injustice when the cameras were around and then refuse to do anything about it. It's been five years, and it's time that we hold mayor Bill de Blasios accountable for his inaction here. Most of you probably never heard this. But Heather Heyer, the young woman who was killed by a white supremacists. In Charlottesville, was actually a volunteer for an organization that I was leading in two thousand sixteen where we would use social media to fight for social change. And the last action that she took with us before she passed away was to tweet and Facebook to mayor Bill de Blasio demanding that he fire officer Daniel Pantaleo today. I'm going to ask you ought to join me in follow in the footsteps of Heather Heyer. And let's again demand that mayor Bill de Blasios finally half, some political courage to fire this brutal NYPD police officer now in two thousand sixteen I couldn't imagine that we'd still be right here. Three years later still hoping for the mayor to do right by this family. But let's give this one more push a here the actions that we're going to take together around. The first thing that I want us to do together. I want you to send a tweet to the New York City mayor Bill de Blasio, and I'm going to do this with you. Okay. But I want you to do it in your own words. I want you to send a tweet to at NYC mayor. Okay. When you send your tweet, you have to make sure that you tag, the mayor at NYC mayor simply asking him to explain why he has refused to fire the officer who murdered Eric garner. Just please use your own words. Now at plenty of times. I've done this before where we write scripts, and here's what I found when you write a script. It's not nearly as a fact of as they're being hundreds or thousands of actual people speaking in their own words in their own tone in their own language. So I want you to write a tweet to the at NYC mayor account at NYC mayor simply asking him to explain why he has refused to fire the officer who murdered. Garner. Please use your own words. And if you don't have a Twitter account, I'd like you to go ahead and open one put your picture in there. Put your name in there. Because here's the thing. He checks his replies in he sensitive to this type of stuff. And we just want him to understand that. If he's going to push this case further and further and further down the line. I least need him to know that we're watching again his handlers at NYC mayor. And when you tweet him at at NYC mayor at the end of your tweet, please include the hashtag the northstar. So again, write a tweet at NYC mayor in your own words, just asking him to explain his lack of action refusing to fire the officer who murdered Eric garner. Be sure to include at NYC mayor and at the end of your tweet put the hashtag the northstar. We're going to be re tweeting your best tweets as soon as we see them up. Now, here's the second thing, and it's a little more complicated. But it's also equally important want you to go to Google or really could go to your favorite search engine. But I tested it on Google and the first search that comes up is what works go to Google and Google. The following words luby's words, Email in y mayor Email in c mayor. And when you Google those words, Email NYC mayor there's a form that's going to come up where you can actually Email the mayor's office. Now, it's really policy in the city for them to check that account. And I want us to send hundreds of original unique emails and sin. Those emails to the mayor asking again, the same thing that you're asking in the tweet, but you can expound on a little bit. Let them know that you're a concerned citizen. Let them know that you're disappointed. And just let them know that you want clarity on why the mayor has refused to fire the officer who murdered Eric garner. Remind them that the officer violated policies. Remind them that it's been five years, which is preposterous. But please be courageous. And unless you are a city employee or something in that regard where you think it may come back and hurt your job in some kind of way. I'd love you to to use your own name your own Email address, your contact information because people may contact you back so again, Google the following words, Email NYC mayor, and it's going to take you to a contact form. And I just want you to communicate with them in your own words on why you're bothered at their lack of action not just firing the officer. But really doing anything of substance about it. All right. The the bring the upper break down down. Thank you for making it all the way through this episode of the breakdown. This is the first episode of our second week. And if you haven't already subscribe to our podcast, we'll be right back here every single weekday breaking down important news stories and issues would love you to subscribe, right here and share this with your friends and family are next big goal is to have a hundred thousand subscribers we won't get there. Without you have you left a review yet, if not please leave your very best review when you get time. Of course, thank you so much to the nearly thirty thousand founding members of the north star whose generosity even makes this podcast possible. Love you on a product you so very much now, if you love this podcast, and you want to support our work where you wanna see the show notes and transcripts for each episode. We'd love it if you'd consider becoming a founding member of our community at the north star dot com again, go to the north star dot com there we not only. Have our podcast with hundreds of original articles and stories and commentaries from some of the leading scholars and thinkers in the world. Lastly, thank you again to our lead producer, and podcasting director Willis putting in the hard work put each and every episode together, he leaves a wonderful team of musicians and DJ's rappers and engineers who all make the music and transitions for each and every episode with gotten so much great feedback from you all about how much you love it, all that music is original and we'll be right back here. Tomorrow for the next episode of the breakdown.
Second Dem Debate turns on Obama's legacy
"This episode is brought to you by Cox With Contour T._v.. From Cox you can find all your favorites all in one place it does it have the youtube you bet and what about that Netflix thing Netflix to and other superhero movies to her has all the latest titles on demand. Oh my grandkids love that big the Green Guy I prefer the one with the hammer myself okay. I think we're done here now. Get all your favorite apps shows and movies right on contoured onto ATV from Cox with a big show tonight. Including some major political shifts from this second presidential debate Democrats not only advocating for a world after trump but for removing the party left of Obama which is now drawing pushback from his V._p.. In these new comments I was a little surprised at how much during Comey was <hes> about Iraq <hes> about the president the world has changed since Obama and here's the deal. I'm this about the futures about taking the same kind of integrity and moving beyond the idea that somehow comparable to what this guy's doing is absolutely bizarre. There's nothing moderate about what Barack doc did in obamacare nothing. No president had come close. He was talking about what several top Democrats said on that debate stage Vice President Biden. I didn't hear your response when the issue came up with all those deportations Vice President United States Mr Vice-president it looks like one of us has has learned the lessons of the past and one of us hasn't president. You can't have it both ways you invoke President Obama more than anybody in this campaign. You can't do it when it's convenient and indulgent when it's not in twenty nineteen in America for a Democrat to be running for president with a plan that does not cover everyone. I I think without excuse how did the race to replace. Donald trump turned into analyzing Barack Obama's legacy. Let me tell you tonight the answer answer matters and not just for politics matters for where America is headed. Do you remember where you were on. Say November Tenth Twenty Sixteen two days after trump won would shock most people including many on his campaign you know the reality was obviously still sinking in which made Mr Trump's first trip to the White House as president-elect president-elect quite a moment to remember seeing this footage for the first time Obama who knew all about trump's race baiting rise who campaigned against against him welcomed him with grace and patriotism to the White House. I have been very encouraged by the I think interest in president president-elect trump's wanting to work with Mike team around many of the issues that this great country faces we now are going to. I want to do everything we can help you succeed because if you succeed conference well thank you very much. President was a great on a being with you and I look forward to being with you. Many many more times. It's still kind of weird to watch that and that moment crystalized America's transition from Obama to trump the birther chief sitting with the commander in chief he would soon replace a seismic shift from I'm an intellectual policymaker. We had come to know to allowed entertainer. Many people thought they knew from the forward-looking promise of Yes we can to the ominousness Talca of make America great again. It's hard to capture just how profound that shift was from Obama to trump and the song American dream the rapper G. Boils down to just ten words. It's first my president was black now. My President is whack many voters basically agree given trump's historically low approval but especially Democrats nineteen out of twenty support Obama Right now which makes the parties turn last night seem a little surprising and a sign of that is coming already in today because candidates who did tussle about these issues are quickly emphasizing today in public and tonight their arguments about building on Obama's work or even going farther on policy in some ways than he did is not intended as a knock on him. I have <hes> nothing but praise for President Obama. I think he did great work. <hes> we talked about the Healthcare System Dolores talked about that <hes> president many presidents before him tried to reform America's healthcare system. He actually got it done. <hes> my proposal is about taking it to the next sat but with all righteous do credit to President Obama. Let's get into it. I'm joined by the Reverend Al Sharpton host of M._S._N._B._C.'s politics nation. He's also met with several the candidates it was a political friend of Barack Obama Pablo Romo's host devices Latin x also former deputy director of Hispanic press for the Hillary Clinton campaign and longtime Washington washing reporter columnist for the daily Beast Margaret Carlson good to see all of you rev. What do you think about the balance here certainly only parties evolve and building on healthcare? We're building on issues where Democrats feel Obama was obstructed by Republicans is certainly different than saying. He didn't get enough. Yeah I've done while he was in office. I think that I was there last night. Both nights and I think where they come off. A little disingenuous is some of them data saying that they would be little more progressive than Obama were very aggressive in criminal justice and other Madij themselves. You want to know win today. Have this great progressive meeting on the road to Damascus you talking about people that are saying that he didn't go far. All I know that we're actually doing some of the things that we had worked with President Obama to stop getting done in terms of criminal justice isn't the road to Damascus. Excuse paved with politically convenient self-congratulatory tweets. Isn't that what L. Primaries are. You going to name names I would I'm going to say is UH. I was just attempting to answer your question. What I say is that I think that it it really smacked to me of? They were in a real motive political desperation 'cause they were trying to pin detail on the donkey of Biden and and they inadvertently hit Obama by accident. I think that helps so does that. Ultimately help Joe Biden because a lot bigger does biden because if I was debating you know when I ran in Oh four we debated debated Fox theatre. The last thing I would have done is wanted to have the front runner identified with the most popular Democrat in the country. I would've tried to say I helped Obama Get A._D._A.. There for trying to help more I would not have let Joe Biden on Obama by himself if I were them right. I know you're more of James Brown soul person but this sounds a little bit like snoop Dogg Line when you disaband. Let you just yourself well. Do you must remember James. Brown helps set the trail for snoop Dogg so track do both is true so I have a little bit of a different view right. I think that titty it's very important. Didn't this idea that in order to look forward no in order to build this progress that everyone is talking about. We have to look back right. We have to recognize the mistakes that we made in the past and I think that's a that's align that will young Gusto said yesterday specifically referring to immigration right President Obama was an incredible president but you cannot deny the fact that under his legacy three million people but were deported. Those are not just numbers. No that's not just statistics. That's pain that a lot of people are feeling no those families so I don't see anything wrong with someone looking at that taking you cannot paint and saying we can do better. That's not an insult because those those people that are requesting that apology those aren't enemies. Those are the Democrats biggest allies so I think it's important poured into leverage that I guess one of the questions that becomes a little bit deeper metaphysical between the two points you just made is are you assessing that based on the politics of today or then I think you assessing both because I was one of those that disagreed with the policy then and I agree agree with her that we can do better but I said that then in meetings with Obama what I'm saying is that people say on the stage last night we're not saying that and they will not say they have become these overnight progressive converts and that's what I'm saying they I had access to President Obama and publicly fought with people around Dhaka and did marches and all of that they were not there some saying wait a minute now. If we go President Obama countable audible which we should. We've got a hold you accountable to how about that because there's a difference between maybe someone like Bernie Sanders who says he's always been pushing left at least had that history whether you like him or not. What is calling the convert? I completely understand I do think in the last two years we've changed right and the movement has changed and dreamers telling us something different and black lives matter requesting crossing something different and transpeople inquiry people so I think what we're seeing is that people are listening to them right. They're the ones that are telling us to challenge our standards or ideals Dell's things that we thought were right back. Bent don't necessarily make sense today and I think there's nothing wrong with with just hearing them and bringing them into the conversation simply acknowledging that again it was not okay to deport three million people let me bring Margaret in Margaret. Take listen to one of these exchanges where by trying to get ahead of it and say hey I have google too you have wikipedia to and if we want to go through anything anyone's ever done let's talk about it and got back and forth with Cory Booker on some of these related issues which really to be clear we're talking about the treatment and the rights in the due process for black and Brown people in America. Take a look. Why did you announce in the first eight zero tolerance policy of stop and Frisk and Higher Rudy Giuliani's guy in two thousand and seven when I was trying to get rid of the crack cocaine the president there's a saying in my community dependent the Kool aid and you don't even know the flavor this is one of those instances were the house was set on fire and you claimed responsibility ability for those laws and you can't just now come up with a plan to put out that fire Margaret when I heard that I thought that <hes> former for mayor booker was channeling you about the Kool aid? It sounded like one of your lines the big mistake well the the the good thing that happened for Biden last night is that he wasn't Mollard he came out and I think the whispers that he's he's past his prime and he's too old and he's a little decrepit but I think those will be tamp down for a while <hes> but he turned into a malleable scold at one He said the world has changed since Obama because he was taking so much incoming that he he wanted to wiggle his way out of that. You asked to speak metaphysically. Am Not sure this is but what the people on stage didn't do as there trashing. The greatest is legislative achievement of the Democrats were eight years. <hes> the was compare what Obama did <hes> even on deportation which <unk> as your other guest said three million is is not something that <hes> to be proud of but no-one compared to what trump is doing I mean in by comparison Gallup fines Barack Obama the most admired person in the world and in our fractious time sixty six percent hint of Americans across all parties approve of Brock Obama. How much better can you get then to be associated Ed with Barack Obama's visit? How do you reconcile that with? Donald trump's inaugural crowd being so much larger depending on the math. You know there's some things you just can't explain. No I think I think that is right. I think that my problem is is that clearly the affordable care was absolutely one of the greatest achievements of that time and we need to go further rib. Clearly many of us questioned the deportation at that time and if you going to say that I didn't see it then but I see it now now then you also gotta give Joe Biden opportunity to say that you can't have it both ways well and I and I think that's where broke down but in criminal justice matters which is a lot of my work nash sure there were a lot of them that did things that we could not get them to stop doing not do then. We will push an Obama when we weigh in Ferguson which is five years ago next Friday. We'll be back their deal with Michael Brown's shooting when we're dealing with Eric Garner they we were doing stop and Frisk and some of these places and I'm saying that if you've grown and evolved and I think she's right you can say that you and say that you were wrong for you. I'm GonNa Bring Margaret back in but just as a follow was cory booker then was he nailed a little bit on his history last night and I don't a big he didn't denied it. Joe Biden said You hide Giuliani's guy and y'all stop and Frisk and he went on into the ninety four crime bill it was there. was there a little kool-aid on everyone to use a metaphor. I'm not sure I fully understand well. I think that when you dip in the coolidge and had you already have colored differently. You ought to not dip too deep because you might get your finger died the different and as you know who can forget Margarete the died fingers of the revolutions abroad. Sometimes that's where people vote the purple the Purple Finger anger learning that the revs Ne- learn every night when we get right on it can go both ways the kool-aid final thought Margaret as prom from you I want. I want you to learn something at Maini. <hes> there is a sleeper candidate that I saw Tuesday night and that was governor Steve Bullock and he tried to pull the progressives back back when he said it used to be that Republicans wanted to repeal and replace obamacare and now it's Democrats and you know if he makes it to the next next debate I think we if if we end up looking for say a Biden if Biden falters and I'm not wishing that he does it could be somebody a blue man a blue governor in a red state that trump won by twenty points. He won by five the only one in the country to do is such a thing and he's right smack in the middle and I think he can get the swing voters so booker always says if you mix blue and red you get Purple Cooler Football. Yes it's purple Kool aid time. What does the red think of that? That's how you know. You're on the beat. When you hear the Purple Kool aid time the bigger rain off time go back and read the flag? I shadow the tests and the electric cooler. Maybe Keesey I'm stretch. I thought that was Tom WEAP- look my producers saying we gotta go and I think it's mostly known for me when they're nice to me. It's their way of saying cut it out. I learned a lot from each of you and I think we had a vibrant but also really policy. Does your conversation. That's the last thing I would add all of that. Debating last night we ended up talking a lot about criminal justice deportations mystics about what Obama did maybe that is a break from some of the way we politics have been lately as well Rev Paolo Margaret. Thanks to each of you. I should mention you can always catch politics. Nation Week Ends Five P._M.. Eastern right here on M._S._N._B._C. Lot more in this show rep mentioned <hes> the Garner case we have something on that we have the democratic impeachment caucus hitting a potential tipping point Donald Trump launching a new attack on the legal system targeting military Terry Prosecutors Neil Konczal on that and our friend. Tony Schwartz is here to talk about news from the F._B._i.. That could put trump in quite a bad spot plus hours away as I mentioned from from a new twist in this very important Eric Garner case something. We've been covering four months. I'm remembering you're watching A. B. on M._S._N._B._C. Breaking news tonight we can report moments ago a new call for impeachment from Democratic Congressman Pete Aguilar California saying Muller's testimony is now convinced him to join this caucus that support impeachment proceedings which if you're counting takes you up to one hundred seventeen house Democrats who now back some kind of impeachment inquiry meaning according to N._B._C. counted one more Democrat comes out in favour. It's half of the caucus today Democrat Ted Deutch also joined the effort declaring an impeachment level inquiry in his view has already begun for progressive groups also joining forces to form something called impeach August driving constituents to rally public pressure on the representatives including presumably Speaker Pelosi. I'm joined now by former federal prosecutor. John Flannery has for the congressional beat when he was special counsel to three Congressional Investigations. Thanks for joining the be here. What do you think of this basic chorus? That's coming out a little post Muller and during recess but Pelosi Oh see now looking at half her caucus backing impeachment well. I think two things one is that everybody underestimated the effect of Muller. There've been twenty-five members with regular today today. <hes> who've joined the impeachment <hes> roster if you will and I think it puts enormous pressure on Pelosi to act and I I think the numbers will only increase and if she wants to still remain ahead of her caucus I think she's going to have to change her position about going forward with whether you call it an impeachment inquiry worry or the impeachment itself as I mentioned to our viewers who know you of course as a prosecutor and legal mind but you've you've used that mind in Congress where everyone has a district and where there are those calculations so we're going to put up the evolution on screen here that started with about thirty percent of the caucus which was folks who said Okay when they held that vote therefore then you look July recently with Al Green came out forty percent and now we're up around forty nine or as of moments ago forty nine edging towards fifty percent. How does that change in your view? The way impeachment probe would run if they get there well. I think what they should do. They should pass the resolution now. There's this notion that we are defacto an impeachment inquiry rather than day urine put it another way that great <hes> legal scholar John Paul saw Tra tre said that you are potentially nothing. You're only what you've done. In a judicial proceeding is one of the tests that courts going to look at when they decide whether or not if you make a demand on the court safer for grand jury material that you are an impeachment proceeding invoking that power in the constitution and so. I don't think you should be halfway there. You should do it and should do it now now. Particularly if you're going to be spending the summer as Nadler says he's GonNa do working on this very problem with the thirty seconds we have left. What do you think was the most important thing to come out of motor her? I thought the most important thing was his manner despite the fact that everybody wanted him to be the Cape Crusader he was this steady as as you go firm <hes> careful speaker who said very dramatic things and that finally gone through and was the antidote for the toxin that came from bars lips and writings in the intervening months before Muller came to the hill and as you say there were things Muller didn't say that the Democrats clearly wanted <music> but the numbers keep going up that is one that we can measure since Wednesday John Flannery. Thank you as always sir. Thank you sir appreciate it now. Donald trump has been openly attacking military terry prosecutors just for doing their jobs important story. Neil Cacho is here to explain in thirty seconds Donald Trump launching a new and brazen attack on the rule of law undercutting his administration's own military prosecutors handled a war crimes the case against the navy seal and we covered that trial on this show there were horrific allegations about stabbing teenage captive shooting civilians but those allegations were not found. I'm to be crimes. A jury acquitted the defendant of murder and attempted murder charge. He was convicted of a separate count of posing for a photo with a corpse under our justice system system and rule of law. We all respect that outcome. That's precisely regardless of whether one personally agrees with it or not that's fundamental and yet the very person person with the authority to execute the law that chief executive is now maligning members of his own military justice system for working on the case. This is not normal so it should not become normal and president trump could have accepted this verdict. He could celebrate it with his freedom of speech but instead he is now tonight. Slamming these lawyers who received condemnations for their public service he's announcing a request that the military immediately withdraw and rescind their awards experts saying they cannot think of another instance in the modern era where any president intervened so directly like this a former Pentagon spokesman says trump's involvement also is separately a problem because it's a politicization of of the military and it is straight up quote ludicrous back with our recurring opening arguments series is former acting solicitor General Neal Cacho who's argued dozens of cases cases before the Supreme Court and takes these rules and traditions quite seriously Sarai begin with the basic point that this is not normal. This is a big story story and a big problem precisely because of what it does to our justice system walk us through your views based on the precedent that I agree I mean this is the decision really of a hothead not the decision of president of the United States. I mean you have a tradition of military prosecutors. They do justice and their defense attorneys as well and it used to be the case a long time ago it was said military justice as is to justice. That's what military music is to music and it was considered kind of the laughing stock of the American justice system but that isn't true anymore and hasn't been for decades indeed need. I got to work up closely for four years with the JAG corps in the last decade and it is such an impressive robust system and you see that system playing <unk> out in this very case and what you don't have is an you never had as your opening suggested you don't have a president going in and trying to interfere with with the prosecution or single prosecutors out for disfavor trying to strip them of their medals and things like that I mean that is that you know that is a decision that you know tyrants make it's not a decision that presidents make I think you put it so well and although these issues don't always boil down to pro or anti national security neither nuanced. I wonder if you think in addition to the legal and judicial rules that we're invoking these traditions. I wonder whether it's someone who of course has balanced these cases in the government whether you think there's also a potential cost to our military national security apparatus because as I understand it and you've been inside and closer to it as I understand it these are people who are part of the navy doing their jobs now being singled out in attack by the commander in chief you're hundred percent right so those harms our national security and to our military and there's harms to the rule of law with respect to the harms to our national security and justice system. I we think about I mean it's being prosecutors always tough. I mean you know that's not an easy job and you do it and it's not like you're getting paid millions of dollars or anything like that and it's always tough to take an unpopular case a case that should be brought that the law says should be brought but you know you're going to get personal condemnation for and now you have the the president essentially putting his thumb on the scale and saying well. If you take a prosecution that I don't agree with that. I'm GonNa come after you personally prosecutor and I I can't think of something more dangerous to our military justice system and the security of all of our military folks and then when it comes to the rule of law or you think there's a big issue here which which is what are the cases both in the military and the civilian justice system that this president chooses to go look at and give special dispensation to pardons the like I mean this is other piece what happened in this military case is exactly the same kind of thinking that led to the Sheriff Sheriff Joe Pyo Pardon or the donation desouza pardon or for things like that normally presidents do meet out mercy but they do so in an even-handed way they don't just do it for political points or because as they saw something on Fox News that upset them while I have you the other big news is the Senate pushing through more judges by Donald Trump on to the Federal Bench Permanent Appointments Than Obama ever got at this point and his term take a listen to a senator McConnell one of my proudest knowledge aww Loud Rock Obama the Mr President you will not feel the Supreme Court we intend to keep confirming as many as we possibly can for as long as we're in a position to do it so it'll still be my top priority and setting the agenda here here in the Senate for that second part fact check true thirteen more judges here a big priority even amidst all these controversies and Mitch McConnell saying he can't tax collection security are the things he's acting here your views yeah I already. I think this is a huge story and McConnell. It's not just the Supreme Court obstruction of the seat that America was to fill. It's the fact that he left one hundred three judgeships on filled on purpose so that trump could fill them and so the numbers are really frightening frightening trump has has has gotten confirmed one hundred and forty four judges at this point in his presidency Obama had ninety one and then the circuit courts courts the courts of appeals where a lot of the important stuff is decided environmental labor employment all that stuff trump has had forty three judges confirmed the most in history mystery Obama had nineteen at this point and it's astounding to me Ari and I think the Democrats are guilty of malpractice on this. I mean we've had all these debates over the last two days days. No one even bothered to mention it and look I think presidents when they win should have deference in the judges that they go point and the Senate should defer to it but a a lot of these folks are tremendously unqualified. Eleven of nineteen judges in this latest batch that trump wants to put up wouldn't even tell you that Brown versus board of Education is rightly decided I mean who are we putting up for these lifetime appointments I mean these are some pretty darn on qualified people particularly the trial court level and I can't can't understand for the life of me. Why Democrats aren't talking about this at every turn you lay it all out there counselor really food for Thought Neil Cacho thank you and I want tell the viewers you can go right to M._S._N._B._C. dot com slash opening arguments and see both this segment Neil's analysis as well as a lot of his recent breakdowns now later in the show that Eric Garner case protesters against police brutality seizing on this debate to make some news an important story but first Donald Trump now re tweeting conspiracy any theories inciting fear scare tactics? How should we combat at the art of the deal call? Tony Schwartz Front of the show is here. We'll get into all of it when we come back another important tonight. We're learning about a newly revealed internal F. B.. I. Document that labels conspiracy theorists as an actual domestic terror threat field agents warning in this league document that fringe fringe political conspiracy theories can spread and they potentially drive people to carry out yes violent acts news comes right as trump has provided a vivid example of how theories are spread promoting a conspiracy theory on twitter. This account was actually formerly disabled hours later for violating its policies using fake accounts to artificially officially amplify the message and some are saying this is all part of trump's dark psychic force. Take a look it and the entire conversation that we're having here tonight if you think any of this is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president president is bringing up in this country then I'm afraid that the Democrats are going to see some very dark days. I'm joined now by the B and Co author of the art of the deal Tony Schwartz C._E._o.. Of the Energy Project and the author of the way we're working isn't working nice to see you again to see you sir. How important is it to have someone in this national debate speaking at that level of breadth and depth in the context of the F._B._i.? Literally telling us this stuff has consequences uh-huh why she got so much reaction to tell you about Marianne we'll yes I said yeah I think it's why she got much reaction. I couldn't agree with it more. It's what is is trump stirring up inside people by the way he behaves and you know they're to me. If you step back and you pull away away from the policy for a moment the big issue is is what's the vision of America for our next president. Whether it's trump we know that vision or one of the Democrats and are you going to lift us up or are you going to drag us down you know. Are you going to inspire us or you're going to scare the crap out of us and the scary scorer and chief is trump and I think we do. I know it's been said before but I think we are in a collective trauma. You know what happens in trauma is that the nervous system gets activated. Fear is the primary agent of that and I think it's pervasive and I think it's getting worse. This is what we love talking about. How this stuff works because one way to look at power externally right? If if you have money or something else that affects external reality obviously that is a type of power internal. You've argued can be more powerful and can you and trump wants book together. Now you're critic but from Bob Woodward's book about all this it talks about how trump had gone bankrupt six times didn't mind bankruptcy was a business strategy walkaway blow up the deal real power is fear. Do you think it's deliberate when he triggers other people's fear and how do you combat it. I think it's one hundred percent deliberate liberate. Although it's hard to say anything Donald Does is Donald Trump does deliberate because he's so impulsive and reactive because he himself is is a trauma victim himself grew up in trauma which is why he inflicts it on us but I think it's purposeful and I think he realizes it's it works irks and when you don't have a conscience I keep coming back to that. When you don't have a conscience it's really easy to play to people's fears because you don't walk away with a sense of shame or guilt neither of those ever arise inside him so one of the habits we have in our in our civil discourse four since obviously is in the media as well is to talk about politics? Is this thing over here and then real life. People's lives over here of course politics is what has a lot of impact on people's lives so thinking about the way we live and that we are living in a time where trump at least the electoral college got there and has all this influence what about in people's normal lives when you have choices say between fear. I'm worried what's going to happen and something positive that requires living through some fear vulnerability like Oh love relationships ABS- There's there's something psychologists call negativity bias. We are inclined to notice the things that are wrong long before we noticed what's right because that's how we keep ourselves all safe and it's an instinctive reaction so I think that what trump does is he pushes us into that survival state that nervous system activation and what happens in that state is your vision narrows. Your prefrontal cortex begins to shut down you become reactive rather than reflective and you are vigilant. You are looking around for where the danger is. What you lose is the capacity for reflectiveness for thoughtfulness is for rationality and that is pervasive and by Ought to trump is a reflection of that. They're hoping that this guy can somehow mute their fear but in fact if you ask them and they would tell you that there are among the most fearful people around why I like that point and I appreciate you saying it in the context of some of the common humanity humanity and not just demonizing people based on where they landed in their political views Tony Schwartz. Let's choose love. Let's choose love and happy happy summer to you <hes> of some food for thought as always stated my with Tony Schwartz when we come back we have a twenty twenty Democrat under fire for his handling of this important alleged edge police brutality case when we come back V._R.. Garner chokehold killing from N._y._P._d.. was in the national spotlight at last night's debate. You may recall. Mr Garner killed over five years ago by N._Y._P._d.. Officer who used what was deemed illegal illegal chokehold all evidence caught on tape with Garner repeatedly saying I can't breathe now attorney general bill reviewed this case and decided not to criminally charge the the officer Pantaleo. He remains on the N._y._p._d.. The commissioner can decide whether to fire him now. All of this coming back because protesters interrupted the debate channing haning fire Pantaleo later in New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio who of course is running was pressed on the issue. Is that police officer still on the force the one who killed Eric Gardner. Please respond. Let me tell you I know the Garner family they've gone to extraordinary pain. They're waiting for justice and a going to get justice. There's finally going going to be justice. I have confidence in that in the next thirty days in New York. was that response inadequate. Please respond now. He should be fired. He's fired now. If I was the mayor ride fire him but as President I would make sure that we had a full investigation that the report will be made public and if I wasn't satisfied we would have a consent decree. blasios draws attention to the fact that he hasn't had the technical legal authority of fire the officer himself critics want him to exert his influence over the police department of his administration. What was also de Blasios decision to postpone the disciplinary proceedings pays Leo until after a federal probe that I mentioned with bar after that finish ooh for the second time in as many weeks grand jury has found the evidence is just it's not there to charge a white police officer in connection with the death of a black civilian? The federal prosecutors say they will not file civil rights charges related to the twenty fourteen fourteen death of Eric Garner came down from Attorney General Bill Bar enjoy now my back lives matter activists Deray mckesson who has worked on this case and we showed the evidence there from the from the video against the news reports of these probes to underscore what what you and others discussed which is every time this has been looked at investigated there has not been any consequence for the officer walk through your views and seeing this hit the national conversation and debate stage last night so it's important to remember that in New York City choke holes are banned in ninety three and obviously we saw Pantaleo into Leo use a chokehold on Eric Garner remember that until Leo's lawyers actually saying that he did not choke garnered but he use what they're calling a seatbelt technique that was not a chokehold boy de Blasios zero failed to say yesterday is sort of Lawson's conversations that after Garner was killed in two thousand sixteen they actually amended the use of force policy in New York City that essentially remove the ban on charcoal and now says that chokehold can be used if a panel of police officers. It's called the use of force the use of force review board if they say it's it's okay and they also deleted a provision that deadly force has to be used as a last resort so what we thought after the killing of Eric Garner was actually the New York City USA force policy became one of the least progressive policies in the country into blasios mayor for that whole time so when he says that the family is going to get justice justice is not only about holding Pantaleo accountable honorable but it's about making sure that these things never happen again in the policy changes when he was mayor actually make it more likely that chokehold might be used and defended not less likely. That's a pretty Syrian document. Let's play a little bit of of the Mayor's defense here we just showed as well what the candidates and others have said take a look officer. Pantaleo said the Justice Department prevented you from firing with the subways you say Komo's responsibly answering sponsor running for waivers. The buck stops with me on many many issues but the Justice Department asked us not to act the right yeah so he's right right the Justice Department did ask the city of New York to act the Justice Department did not require the city of New York not to act and he could have made a choice remember. What's interesting on New York City is the police chiefs chiefs discretion with discipline is actually encoded in the charter of the city itself so we know that the mayor's office has the power to actually move on this and they haven't and remember for context a third of all the people killed by strain in this country is actually killed by police officer and this is actually the first year ever were black? People are more afraid of being killed by police officer then being killed by community violence and so the issue is real. It's dramatic. It's good that Castro actually is the only candidate who has a plan. It's sort of odd that common is one of the only people who has worked inside the system in this way doesn't actually have a plan around from about the twenty seconds left. That's what I wanted to get join as she in your view moved enough or are you concerned about are on these issues so we met with Tom. com calmly strong views. I think that she has to commit to some things you know. I think that it's it's odd that she has such deep experience and expertise in the issue and doesn't have a set of plans around criminal justice. I think it's a glaring here. I think it's odd odd and as you mentioned in part of your roles in the activism you do your meeting with a lot of these candidates always interesting to hear both your expertise and the political side all this. We'll see what what comes out of it in this primary mckesson. Thanks for making the time to be here when we come back. I'm going to show you video that you will literally only see right here on the breaking news just in from the New York Times State Prosecutors in Manhattan now subpoenaed Donald Trump's family business is related to an investigation into the company's role in those hush when he payments to stormy Daniels the Manhattan D._A.'s Office examining whether any company executives may have filed false business records about this payment which could be a state crime so that's an update from today and when you take a step back it's been quite a week to democratic debates or another step. It's been quite a month with Muller Testifying Congress voting on impeachment or you could even say quite the era quite an error which makes it easy to lose track of time with all this stuff going on so as I mentioned before we now want to mark an anniversary. This show is now two years old so whether you recently found us or maybe I've been watching us in summer two thousand seventeen. Thank you for watching thank you. The incredible guests that have gotten us through these is two years. You're about to see some of them in a quick roundup of highlights. Did you speak to the F._B._i.. Or Muller's his prosecutors yes yes yes as leaked to the Washington Post in New York Times. Yes you're GonNa do a tricky Dick or connection. You're telling the truth about ally okay so yes. Yes we end up thinking we killed him. You guys realize this is weird. It is still the weird physical ridiculous now. It's not ridiculous S.. Thank your family want you home for Thanksgiving and I hope you will testify. You wrote a piece I gave them that. This is great. It is when bar in his letter suggests this is up to him as he right or wrong about that. I I think he's wrong. Well you and the President now Acknowledge Muller did not conclude a total exoneration no. I'm not going to knowledge that you think doesn't understand the league approve <music> some sort of effort to strangle an investigation. We can't let trump play us off against each. How do we get there like what does that? Actually he looked like an. I'm hopeful about that thousand others were moving people that are here. This is what ice does every single in the thousands. I know you can hear me. We're looking at people who have have a great to seek asylum. It's that simple. This is real the pain in the struggle in Israel and you cannot play politics. We don't have to put up with it where the aftermath where the casualties not of war. I can't tell you the effect that had on me it was it was internal fundamental question about whether what he's done that's even legal the impeachment issues now virtually become inevitable and you know under the law that is an admission of guilt. I'm not a lawyer. Thank God I would call it a virtual wall. Oh that's your closing argument. They're paying virtual wall is like dangling shiny objects saying here look at it. Oh many keyboard gangsters meme Jay Z. said bin Laden in been happening in Manhattan for a dollar defined collusion. Oh God it's when you collude. It's dangerous for me to even step into the political arena. I will just say that the people I respect from Cisco to Picard Great Ball Leaders Amazing Kamala Harris He. Is this your I wanna hug like that to your next time. I see you know what I'm GonNa Miss. The most are handoffs what specifically about the the awkward we don't have enough. How can we toast to both our chef or comedian journalists and the M._S._N._B._C. MOMS out there close to there's always time for as I mentioned thanks to all of our guests thanks to the staff at the b thanks to everyone here and it was N._B._C. and everyone who supports us at all of our studios radios and satellite facilities and everything around the country and the world? It's been a fun two years. We'll keep working. We'll keep going. Thanks for watching the beat. We'll be back at six P._M.. Eastern tomorrow. Hey It's Chris Hayes from M._S._N._B._C.. Every day. I come to the office and we make television. Show an everyday I think to myself there's so much more I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called. Why is this happening
Midday News Brief for Tuesday, July 16th
"Here the extraordinary secrets of how to thrive in a disrupted world the old rules of management and already correct anymore so what works making was heavy to the future will I am and Omar Abashed. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts J._R. Whalen and the newsroom at the Wall Street Journal in New York U._S.. Car Companies in Detroit or entering contract talks this week with the united auto workers with the goal of capping fast rising labor costs ahead of a downturn in the U._S.. Auto pro industry since two thousand eleven factory worker cost for four G._M.. And Chrysler have crept toward pre recession levels as the union has won pay increases and other benefits that were shelved during the last economic downturn federal prosecutors cuter will not bring civil rights charges against a New York police officer accused of killing Eric Garner an unarmed black man who the officer believe was selling untaxed cigarettes. The two thousand fourteen incident became a flash point over race in policing across the U._S.. New York City medical examiner ruled Garner's death was a homicide. The officer has said he acted lawfully and the Garner died from health complications and president trump says Tuesday the U._S.. Government will investigate national security concerns raised by billionaire investor.
I cant breathe: Five years later, Eric Garners family is still seeking justice
"Post reports is sponsored by the asset podcast produced by the center for American progress action fund district productive and protect the investigation. The asset tells the story of Donald Trump and Russia, it's about the role of a hostile foreign government in the election of the president of the United States. From the newsroom of the Washington Post. Are you with? Washington Post social posters. Laurie are twenty over the phone. I I'm this is post reports. I'm Martine powers. It's Wednesday June twelfth. Today, the family of Eric garner has their last hope for Justice, the potential perks of being impeached and enrolled blowout, that's getting blue. So the officer involved in the death of Eric Gardner in two thousand fourteen in New York City, Daniel, Antonio has been having an administrative hearing Wesley Lowery is a reporter for the post and he's been covering this disciplinary hearing for the New York police officer who was involved in the death of Eric garner five years ago, a death that in many ways changed how the country thinks about police brutality in Eric Garner's death is one of the most important events in the history of the NYPD. It's one of the first debts that starts to spark what we ended up considering the black lives matter movement, part of why Garner's death became such a galvanizing force was because it was caught on camera. Garner was a bigger man, who was standing on a hotch free corner. He was known in the neighborhood. He very often sold Lucy's loose cigarettes, and on that day, according to all the witnesses, and the people are saying in the video he'd broken up a fight. Forcefully China lock somebody up for breaking up a fight to officers approach him one from the back from the front. Officer, the back also Lael ends up kind of jumping in Gardner's back his arm wraps around Gardner's, neck. And they fall to the ground and Eric garner, as he's kind of gasping, for air says, I can't breathe eleven times at least the first few times the officer remaining on his back and other officers attempting to handcuffed a messy saying, no Gardner ends up dying. With something very sending a lot of people. So I can't breathe became one of the crucial rallying cries around. Since reform protests, we saw the last few years. The grand jury considering criminal charges. In Eric Garner's death has twenty three members like the nurse to be patient. Grand jury has been diligently listening to evidence that explosive grand jury decision no indictment for New York City police officer in the death of Eric garner from chokehold. Doc to say that Betty out. So what we now know is that the grand jury process. The prosecution process is going to be remarkably permissive officers. Police officers are very rarely charged when they kill someone. Because the law allows for them to kill people said this disciplinary hearing within the department is really for Eric Garner's family, their last chance at any form of Justice in their. Yes. No, this is the hearing that will decide will the officer was most involved in Eric Garner's death face any type of formal repercussion for the fact that our garner ended up dying. Wesley was one of the journalists you packed into this room, on the fourth floor of NYPD headquarters to witness this disciplinary trial, get is technically open to the public, but it's also kind of like a HR hearing. There's no audio or video or photo recording in the room. All of this information was going to be presented in the public. But if someone didn't write it down, it would go away. Officers that should be the only times we were able to kind of directly record or take photos were outside of the building. Not even just outside the courtroom. We'd all the way outside of NYPD. And so what would happen is every single day after the hearing would end the legal teams would come out. I the officers legal team his lawyers, the police union, and they would give kind of short press conference and they would be. All types of demonstrators and protesters yelling and screaming at them. And then Garner's family and their supporters would come out next week dislike car other of our Dr. Your Ryan for skin. It just just hot Redshift at five years has gone by is this nothing. We city oh five years ago, and your air Gardner's mother is not in the best health or Garner's daughter, Eric Gardner, passed away during the last five years. She was one of the leading voices on, on his behalf. It has been a really difficult process in Eric Garner's, family and. In one of the things that makes it even more difficult, is that they're just now encountering additional information, right? Because this is the first hearing, they're learning new things about a death that happened so long. Right. And it's hard to imagine having a loved one die, and your years later still piecing the puzzle together about what happened. So tell me about this hearing. What did you see there, and what were the most important moments that he saw your inside? Why PD headquarters kind of heavily surveilled? They're being really specific about who can come in who care. It can't bring any, you know, phones, or laptops, or anything like that into the room. There was typically a ton of folks waiting outside hoping to get in right. Because they are extensively seats for the public. And so every day you would have dozens of activists and other people show up in reality, there would be six or seven seats for the public, right? And, and maybe a dozen seats for the medium now it's set up like a courtroom, you've got the officers sitting up front with his attorneys from the. Police union. You've got prosecutors from the civilian review board that are kind of sitting on the right. You have a deputy Commissioner sitting up front in judges seat and throughout the course of this trial. They're calling witnesses the other officers who are their medical experts. Police training tactical experts to try to build this argument right now. The core of this debate is did Daniel Pantaleo, violate the chokehold policy of NYPD higher. The chokehold is something that's been banned by the department since the eighties. You can't under any circumstance use it. And so if has there is such a risk of Bentley suffocating someone bothering gas from when you block someone's airway they can't breathe and they right? And so that, even if you're not attempting to kill someone. Right. Any type of tactic that involves blocking someone's Necker obstructing the airway could lead to them, dying, so NYPD and most major departments say, don't do it. So this became this, like really semantic and tactical argument for days and days and days about was technically a chokehold was something else. What was he trying to do that day? And for the attorney who is basically serving as officer Pantaleo defense. What is his argument for why? This chokehold isn't actually a choke holder isn't a violation of police policy so much like a criminal trial, the burden of proof years on the prosecutors. They have to prove that this thing did happen as opposed to the defense, having to prove that it didn't write their defense was kind of multi the first was that look what was new Pantaleo trying to do. And so they put on a bunch of witnesses talking specifically about a seatbelt, hold, which is a totally different type of hold right? A chokehold is defined as anything that blocks in their way, the seatbelt, hold is a hold where you come up from behind someone. And you wrap your arms around them across their chest like a seat belt. So one arm goes up under their armpit the other one goes over their shoulder. And then you lock your hands in, in a seat belt. What Damien pants Leo's defense team argued was? That's what he was attempting to do because Eric garner was resisting so furiously. And because he was so big, it was impossible to actually execute it correctly. He incidentally, ended up with his arm around his neck and the reason air garner ends up dying is not because he was being choked out, but rather because he was obese. And because he was resisting, and he gave himself finance Ma tack, and then he gave himself a heart attack in what you were counted that seemed like a release stark moment to me, the fact that you had this attorney standing in front of Eric Garner's family saying the reason this man died is because he was obese and unhealthy not because of what police did to him. There were a lot of really kind of tense moments in the courtroom around this. So in the audience was Gardner's mother. The mothers of many other black men have been killed by then wiped, Eric Garner's, widow. At least one of his children is brother. And so there were moments won the defense would say things like this, where there would be gasped that sometimes there'd be booze and commentary from the audience, and created a lotta tension, there was at least one or two moments where the defense team for Daniel pants Leo. Asked for people get kicked out of the courtroom. And the judge says it will not gonna do that. But remind people look, look, you can't talk, so there was a lot of kind of back and forth. I mean, there was another moment where dating partner he's on the stand, and they're going through the video clip by clip frame by frame, and they're saying, well where do you see officer Pantaleo arm in this clip in this frame? And he goes, oh, well, his arm is up near Eric Garner's head area between his chest and his head, and this is around his neck and the prosecutors go between his between his head and his chest. You mean around his neck and he goes, you know, up between his head in his chest in the garner. Family is like. Dan, take argument that sort of is not acknowledging everyone can see on video certainly and I think that was the core of a lot of this trial. The Eric garner case was a case where the facts of the matter were not particularly disputed, we watched almost the entire instantly on video, you can see pretty clearly what happens. And yet these things aren't decided accountability or Justice aren't decided based on what we can see in the video rather, it's based on these hyper specific and at times, pedantic and hyper-technical HR proceeding about did someone intended violate a policy is technically a chokehold or could it be argued that it's something else? Maybe the medical examiner's wrong. Maybe he didn't die from an asthma attack. Maybe it was really a heart attack, you know. And so this entire hearing this question about whether or not the officer would be held to account really what we saw in the video could or could not matter. And I think that that's where there's a big difference of big Gulf. Between the public's expectation about how these things happen. Hey, I saw that video, and it was so clear what happened hold the guy accountable, and what our processes actually allow for does this hearing has concluded what happens next. So now the deputy Commissioner who oversaw the trial, who served as the judge. She has time to write a report and make recommendations. She gives that to the Commissioner, and then the Commissioner unilaterally makes a decision about whether or not officer, Pantaleo will be punished. There is an expectation that this will probably the Commissioner will probably make decision by the summer, but there's no guarantee that will know anytime soon, what happens to this officer. If anything happens to the officer, what do you think that this hearing says about the prospect of Justice for Eric garner, for his family? I think that with this process has shown in the same way, that many of these similar processes Slater out around the country on similar shootings and similar police. Stutz shows. How our system fundamentally is not structured to hold police officers to account that we've built a system that is largely permissive of police behavior because we understand police officers have a hard job that they're placed in dangerous situations. But because the system Benz so much in favor of the officers in cases where the public is actually outraged is actually upset where they've watched on video killing the public believes to be unjustly. I think most people watching that video, do find themselves upset by what they see in it. The system itself is not set up to expeditiously Judah Kate, these things, much less produce outcomes that are in line, very often with the public. Now who knows what's going to happen here? I think the department could handle any number of ways, it is kind of political decision, right? It's not a math occasion. The it's a subjective decision. What the judge believes should happen. And then what the Commissioner ends up deciding to do. But what we see here is that the everyone agrees, whether it be the officer and his family and his supporters and the garner family and the thousands of millions of people who've rally around them. Everyone agrees with us the process that shouldn't have dragged on for five years that there should have been answers one way or the other. And the reason the strike on is because of these processes. Wesley Lowery is a national correspondent for the post. It may well be that Donald Trump wants to be impeached. Because he knows that in the Senate, you know what you need to thirds of the United States Senate. And right now, they're all forty seven Democrats and not all of them today would impeach Trump. There's this idea floating around about President Trump. That's gaining traction among Democrats. There is basically out in the either this idea that impeachment would be politically beneficial for the president. That's Ashley Parker. I am a White House. Reporter for the Washington Post, the theory is that the White House is almost sort of double dog daring, the Democrats to try to impeach the president that the White House is trying to get the Democrats to impeach Trump because they believe it will get them reelected, twenty twenty to be clear, Ashley's reporting suggests that the president does not actually want to be impeached. Dirty words. The word dirty filthy disgusting word. But she also says that there's some truth to the idea that the president sees a potential political win if he were to be impeached. He in some ways is kind of impeachment curious, which is to say he look on a couple of levels. One thing is this is the president who has been told about and understand what happened to Bill Clinton when Bill Clinton was impeached in on the one hand. It's a decent political analogy because the house, impeach Bill Clinton and the Senate did not move on it. Bill Clinton was not removed from office, which seems like what would happen in this case as well. We're Democrats to go forward and Bill Clinton's approval ratings were boosted by impeachment. It backfired on the Republicans and it helped President Clinton. So Trump sees that potentially happening for himself. Of course. Bill Clinton was in a second term. He is not in the middle of an reelect, but same thing, and then this is a president who also understands on a visceral level that he is at his best when he has a foe when he has a single opponent. And if democrat. Go after him for impeachment. He has a very easy way to hit Democrats, and whoever the democratic nominee is, basically every single day. I think that you've seen that in the way that he communicates publicly about the idea of impeachment rate that he is not ignoring the prospect of being impeached. He talks about it all the time he brings it up in tweets he brings that have been public statements that, that he is in some ways enlivened by the prospect of people considering whether to impeach him. I it's very much on his mind, an inter putting the story. This was one of the issues where there's a couple of topics within the White House where we find out Trump has said something privately, that he hasn't said publicly and it's a huge deal because it, it's an offensive statement about a group of people or another country or undermines and existing public policy. But then there's this other area where what the president says privately is very much, what he says publicly, and that's a largely the case with impeachment. This is on his mind. He is he is asking about it when he sees cable news talking about it. He then. You know, ask his aides like, well, well, why would they really do it? How would it work in more? So I've been told in a defiant way, right? Like they wouldn't dare they couldn't possibly impeach me because I've done nothing wrong. He's sort of privately and publicly said he would maybe sue if the Democrats were to move forward with impeachment, and he's is sort of questionable whether that's actually part of the process of impeachment is suing to the supreme court. Yes, it is certainly not the most commonly accepted or mean stream method of handling an impeachment inquiry, one of the parts about the calculus that Democrats are doing right now is, yes, there is something to be said for calling the president to account, but also the democrat see a real path to getting the presidency by talking about the issues that matter to average Americans rate, which in many cases, it's not impeachment things, like healthcare and infrastructure and social services and stuff that affects people's day to day lives. And so they're thinking is that when? You talk about impeachment, all the time that means that you're not actually talking about the things that might get Democrats elected on the flipside. How does President Trump and folks in the White House view, those choices of whether it would be more helpful for them to be able to talk about the witch hunt and impeachment for the next year and a half or talking about things like health care infrastructure to just briefly going back to the Democrats? The Democrats kind of learned in two thousand sixteen with Hillary Clinton and the way they ran that campaign against now President Trump, the, you actually have to affirmatively be four something in stand for something, and you can't just demonize your opponent that it that would not work for the Democrats against Trump in two thousand sixteen for the president. I it's an interesting argument on, on the one hand, they think that just chatter of impeachment, especially impeachment chatter, without the actual impeachment proceedings is a real political winner, because it allows them to again point paint, the Democrats as sort of radical. Blood sport leftists, who are sore losers. And you know, are so focused on impeaching the president that they they're not getting anything done. The flip side is there is an acknowledgement that at the same time while impeachment talk and chatter is going on. Trump is actually not really getting anything done in one thing that, while it would be helpful for the Democrats have some affirmative things to run on. It would be maybe helpful for the president to have some affirmative things to run on at this point. It's very clear there's going to be no bipartisan big ticket legislative items passing congress. But. You know, there are still may be a little hope for infrastructure bipartisan infrastructure deal. There was a little hope for the US MCA trade deal. They rolled out an immigration plan. I don't know if there was ever any hope for that. But something they talked about in are doing, and the president himself said to Democrats when he refused to go to an infrastructure meeting, and instead held a rose garden press conference, attacking them for daring to consider the I-word as he calls it. He basically said while you were trying to impeach me. We're not going to work together on anything into it looks bad for the Democrats. But there's some thinking that it may be looks bad for the president to. Actually Parker is a White House. Reporter for the post. Post reports is sponsored by the asset podcast produced by the center for American progress action fund district productive amd protect the investigation. Listen to the story of the role of a hostile foreign government in the election of Donald Trump to president of the United States. Download and listen today, and now, one more thing it's the nited states against Thailand. Stakes. On Tuesday, the US women's soccer team won a resounding victory in their first game the world the final score. Thailand was thirteen to zero the biggest point difference of any World Cup game in history. Celebrating this thirteen nothing results at a World Cup. Soccer's a typically low scoring game. Even when there are blowouts, you know, usually you're talking, maybe three four nothing. Stephen Gotfrid about soccer for the post. He's in France covering the tournament. And he says the US team has faced some criticism for not going easy. Once they knew that they were going to win. I think people are critical of the US women because of the number of goals scored. But you know soccer's game you can't pull your starters. You're only allowed three substitutes coach Gillette made all three substitutions and this is a World Cup championship. And so to ask a team to stop playing essentially for twenty twenty-five thirty minutes is, is unrealistic and in a way it's it's disrespectful to the other team because you're saying, well you don't even belong on this field. We're not going to go forward anymore, I think I would say t is this is a world championship. So every team that's here's is been fantastic to get to this point. And I think that to be respectful to opponent. Is to play hard against opponents as the US coach Joel said it's, it's she doesn't feel responsibility to rein in her team. They're they are playing. They wanna build momentum. And they wanna they wanna win a World Cup games are gains and you gotta go out and play and you gotta compete and a lot of this is about building momentum. And so as a coach, it's, you know, I don't find it, my job to go and harness my players, rein them in because this is what they've dreamt about this. Is this is it for them? This is a world championship the issue of resources for women's soccer programs around the world has been a big issue. There are traditional soccer playing countries that don't seem to care much for the women's team. They don't provide the resources the development programs the coaching and so there's just a handful of countries including the United States, Germany England France where they really make an effort on behalf of their women. So, you know a resume. Felt like this, you know, perhaps will spur programs to, to, to put more money into it so they can compete there. Obviously good enough to get to a World Cup. But still much needs to be done to compete in a World Cup. I mean, I'll be honest, I sit here and I go if this is ten nil in amends will couple we get in the same questions to be quite honest. You know, I mean I think a World Cup. It's, you know, it's it is about competing. It is about peaking in his about priming your players ready for the next game. They see it as this is the world championship, they are going to play their best for ninety minutes. And that's what they did. They wanna get players in good rhythm and a good form. They want to build momentum za long-tern amount. They wanna get off to a great start. They obviously did. You're also talking about players living the dream of playing in a World Cup for many of them the first time. And you know, how, how do you tell them? Don't go forward. Don't try to score. Don't celebrate that goes against the natural instincts of an athlete, and particularly in American athlete. Stephen Gough rates about soccer for the post. That's it for today's episode push reports. Thanks for listening. I'm Martine powers. We'll be back tomorrow. With more stories from the Washington Post.
Throw Another Log On The Jimmy Carter
"Hey this is dan done. The host of what we're drinking with dan done on the latest episode we can get deep dive into america's native spirit bourbon with my very special guest tiffany thesis that's right got the throwback whiskey we kelly hausky and it turned out to be everything. Young me could have possibly dreamed of and more. Did you see see some of my alcohol is actually getting a little low and you do have some bottles that are saying let down into my dressing room. I don't let a lot of men in my dressing. This is where i do all my podcasts dressing all completely innocent. I swear also in the latest episode details on how to win a pair of passes to the bourbon beyond mm festival in kentucky next month featuring fighters robert plant hall notes joan jett john fogerty and lots of other old people plus. I'll be there with tiffany tiffany thiessen for real. Come drink with us so check out what we're drinking. I'm dan dan reminding you. That drinking can cause memory loss or even worse memory loss it living says hello and welcome to the daily beans for tuesday august twentieth two thousand nineteen today. We have a trump barrick falling out. The cop who killed eric garner's fired bar removes. The bureau of prisons chief trump pays millions in legal fees planned parenthood withdraws from titled ten and the department of justice sides with trump over the house judiciary. I'm your host a._g. And with me today are julius johnson in jordan coburn. I knew i didn't mean the house judiciary. I met house financial services she that immediate correction so there you go corrections no emails necessary i don't. I don't know if anybody would catch that but i just did contra self. I wanted to make yourself before you wreck yourself i day before it was wicked. E wack welcome to the nineteen nineties by jamming on the one. How are you guys. I'm great. I recently played. I'm an hour of laser tag again and that was a lot of fun to self care. Yes it is honestly s._c. Laser tag <hes>. I am well. Oh i did some things i did. I gave them a civil facial today for the first time in my life yeah you cut your hair to all the blondes gone. Yes all the blonde has gone. Yes i also thank you. I learned i have very sensitive skin and should not give myself. Facials burned burned because you're wicked yeah. It was like if this burns or a tingling sensation is normal. If it starts i becoming uncomfortable. Take it off. That's how far weird threshold. I don't know what's comfortable and it's uncomfortable. Zero two hundred billion sensation it all is uncomfortable but then that's yeah as as a whole thing anyway i'm doing great my faces on fire still relevant damn uh-huh whoa faces on fine blakely song but not on sunday leon eric knowles had a great joke about them. He's like why is that guy always sound like he's ripping off a band oar. Who would arrive z. It's impressive to make a living off of that but he tolling nailed. It does sound like ripping off a band. He doesn't much better impersonation of him than i do. So that's pretty good chance brilliant ex marine veteran just all all around great comedian. He's often think he won. The world series of comedy didn't he. He did dope all right <hes> anyway new show that so we might as as well jump in with with our hot notes hot notes. Are you guys a little more serious note. After five long years there was finally a decision in the eric garner case in that decision as the n._y._p._d. Has fired the cop who killed eric garner for reference. The incident happened in twenty fourteen grand jury was impaneled and they decided i did not to indict <hes> the cop and then the obama justice department said it wanted to do an investigation into whether garner's civil rights were violated so they opened up that investigation but they he did not come to a decision before the two thousand sixteen election probably assuming hillary was gonna win and they can hand this off to clinton but by july two thousand eighteen after the trump administration nation hadn't done anything they'd made no determination or even didn't even acknowledge that they were continuing the civil rights investigation the n._y._p._d. Took matters into their own hands and started their own trial oil and then a little less than a year later. They determined that while garner didn't comply the cop applied an illegal choke hold <hes> and he had reason to know it was not oughta legal maneuver so they fired him <hes> good. I mean it's bittersweet because there's that quote that says justice delayed is justice denied <hes> but also being killed for this kind of thing has already justice and not enough absolutely <hes> but also better late than never i still believe in that but yeah very bitter sweet yeah and i think one of the problems is that the obama administration department of justice had asked the n._y._p._d. To not take action on this to to keep him on administrative leave until they concluded their civil rights investigation whether or not this violated civil rights yeah so that's kind of one of the things that was on hold forever. I wonder if the n._y._p._d. N._y._p._d. at that point wouldn't if there if there wasn't that civil rights investigation after the grand jury that was impaneled decided not to indict if they would have just fired cau- yes good point yeah ah. I still don't understand why the grand jury didn't bring charges but i you know we'll never see that. That's grand jury ever see you so i was just gonna say. Obama said he was upset about that. So would he be the one. I followed there. Eric holder who who would be the person that would be at fault for for it being delayed for the civil rights investigation which sounds like a good thing but then like you mentioned could have been part of the the problem. I don't know if obama instructed the department of justice to do a civil rights investigation. It seems like something obama would not do because he was very hands off on the department. <hes> you know despite what trump might tell you that eric holder had obama's back and would do investigations when he said but i really don't know <hes>. I don't know if there's a way to know we we could probably do a foia request. There might have already been a foia request might be something you could research if you wanted to see if they got the documents on the handling of the civil rights investigation under the obama administration yeah 'cause they kinda played out the clock. They're like around the clock his maybe not intentionally but the fact that trump was elected before they even got around to well they were assuming hillary would win an and probably could continue the investigation with whoever the new <hes> yeah attorney general would be that would be anyone knew or if they would have kept lecture holder whoever it was at the time yeah the lists of negatives that came from assuming hillary was going to win is continues to grow throw it on the pile one of those things that got caught up and fell through the cracks cracks because we all assumed hillary would win the election. Yeah definitely <hes> anyway yeah and i. I don't know how long civil rights investigation takes like because they started in twenty twenty fourteen or two thousand fifteen. They didn't even know they had those yeah they. I feel like you should have been able to wrap it up in the air but they didn't wrap up the n._y._p._d. Trial and a year and you know so i i honestly don't know so how long you can expect a civil rights trial to take or civil rights investigation because it's not a trial because they cleared him of criminal charges. The grant or the grand jury did that right well well. I guess we talk on the podcast a lot about how these things take a long time so even unfortunately in these cases. It sounds like they were probably going as fast as they could but it's so sad to five years later that's crazy and what was your quote. Delay justice is justice. Delayed is justice denied yeah see to me. Justice delayed is just how fucking justice works. Unfortunately we're all sitting here like odd dammit come on exactly they're saying they should change it from the justice system to the <hes> the just the legal system because there's not really any justice implied in the majority of cases yeah it does make me question though all the times that we hear cops being placed on administrative leave instead of just being fired if in every single scenario it's because they're waiting for the years that it takes for the investigation to finally be done. I think it probably has more to do with their union. Contracts right then they fired. They would get sued food yeah. You can't just fire a police officer. You have to go through their due. Due diligence based on what the union puts in place right but they're about to make that more complicated. I think in california right governor is the new yeah he's just making a law that says that the chinese have a better reason for using <hes> like excessive force which i guess isn't exactly firing them but more consequences yeah they're trying the problem is is that if you lighten up on the <hes> due process <hes> ah fourth amendment rights to each <hes> police officer or any federal worker or any not not the police officer federal anyone in a job. If you lighten up on those then that means they can easily fire you for wrong things and so that's why it takes so long <hes> is those are protections in place to protect people who deserve the protection. Unfortunately there are people woohoo that protection that don't deserve that protection but that is you know we might we want to err on the side of protection for people it doesn't always work out that way <hes> but then you know if you the lift those regulations and say you can fire a cop for whatever you want they might go out and fire every cop of color on the forest because some racist asshole comes in in and decides to do that and there's no protection for those exactly it makes us vulnerable on both sides. I will say that one of the craziest parts of this whole eric garner story is that his twenty seven year old daughter who it was you know fighting for for like his memory. I guess justice for him. She died at twenty seven years old from a heart attack after all this went down like you know in the last five years after it happened exactly yeah yes she. These things called diane's where every week or every two weeks. She and activists would just sit where he died. Inches raise awareness and heart attack. She had a heart attack and died yeah twenty seven years old. It blows my mind. Oh my gosh. There's a lot of crazy part of the story like i just there's a lot i hope they don't stop looking into it even though he's fired. There's still a lot that i think like the guy that filmed it. He's in jail right now. The guy that filmed eric garner do a whole series yeah absolutely on it and i say should do the foia roya get the get the information and find out what communications were within the justice department and both the obama and trump administration's there have been some sort of read and read out briefing into two from one administration to the other there should have been discussions between susan rice and and <hes> the attorney general and obama about what are we going to do with these cases that we thought we were going to be carried on and aren't you know there have been something there and i would really should be able to foil those things i know this is entirely different but the podcast you can do it out to you know we can file for your requests. Ooh any citizen can wow for your friday through the process every week. We just knew foia request. Yeah uh-huh i wanna i wanna nunez's farm request from agile for you but <hes> but i understand that what i'm about to say is an entirely different legal situation in while i believe it definitely contains inherent racism. It is nuanced different from eric gardner or <hes> but cereal the podcast. There's now calls for the supreme court to hear that case. There's definitely been mobility within the justice system as a result of that podcast <hes> so what you you were saying about someone doing a podcast about it. It's like it's crazy that that actually makes such a difference and the f. one hundred percent. They should if the public care about it then yeah yeah. That's why i said somebody should do a series right all this shit put it together do the investigative journalism and that can make a difference because you're right that sudden case then robbie chaudhry was is our first guest on muller she wrote daily beans fun fact for the day trivia and she was part of that and <hes> that you're right it makes it journalism lewisham makes a difference and i think that unfortunately right now with bill bar at the head of the department of justice. The weight of justice in this country is now on the shoulders of journalists lists <hes> more so than it is on the department of justice so yeah i mean on that note that i saw that where trump is saying the press. The enemy of the people and someone else said that truth is the enemy. The president is pretty much. What it is it is it is truth truth. Truth is enemy of trump is trump yeah by the transit of property of treason. Yes all right next here. We go in the wake of the epstein death. <hes> bar found another fall guy we know he moved the warden outright and he put those two sleepy guards on leave and now he has moved the bureau of prisons chief hugh hurwitz and he's replaced him with former prisons director <hes> as kathleen sawyer she. She's she did job before her wits has has been reassigned to direct the re entry program for the bureau will where he will work with bar to implement the new justice reform bill the first act so that's going to be that guy's job interesting interesting. They are just so shorthanded. Everyone's acting something. It's just a shit show yeah. They're just really dedicated and always to people not being in their jail cell anymore. I guess so so unless you deserve to get out because you're another marijuana offense to. I didn't mean that seriously strictly on the first step thing in the fact that i've seen he's no longer in his jail cell doubts totally. I appreciate that yeah. We worked it out our time for little schadenfreude. Do you know schadenfreude. Ah no i do not know what sean fraud is. Please tell me because i'm dying to know jamming tampa shameful gye so remember when the trump administration ministration lost its court battle trying to put a racist question on the census in line to the courts and it was to comply with the voting rights act <hes> when what it was really doing was disenfranchising sizing voters gerrymandering specifically to assist white republican voters scooby doo episode where they pull off the mask gerrymandering the whole time would would be able to gerrymander if i weren't few meddling journalists but yeah no this is totally true in real like we're not e g you know yes. We're partisan. Podcasts is brian. Williams likes to say just the one time that but it is true that they were literally doing this to gerrymander to help white republicans. Those are the words in the study the republican dude who wrote the study so it's not i'm not that's not just me being like yeah. These are not beings yeah this is this is what i think that's what it was and anyway buzzfeed us feed reports the <hes> this week that the trump administration could end up paying nearly fifteen million dollars in legal fees federal law gives the challenges the right to demand the losers cover the the winners legals bill legal bills and earlier this month the department of justice agreed to pay two point seven million dollars to the a._c._l._u. and others for the case in manhattan and now the winners of the two cases in maryland which is not trump <hes> are asking for seven million and four million respectively and the request for one hundred thousand in the california case is going to be paid in september. Wow so ha ha. That's pretty smart. They played that well. It's a gamble but it worked out. I don't i don't know he i guess but i don't know how much of gamble it was because that was a pretty open shut case citizenship question on the sesame but i thought that trump was gonna find a way to like. I don't know just break the system you know. I think that that paper was just such incriminating. Evidence wasn't used in this go to remember consider. That's why we're using it for. You know like sanctions on those as lawyers yeah. I just thought trump was going to really defy it so i didn't think that it you know i think anything when matter after that but i do still matter it's up to the supreme court and the supreme court even ndo. We've got you know a beer on there and what's his <hes> gorsuch. Even though we've got like these just super jerky erkki right-wing fuckers on the court they still have to follow the law and they know that and this one had no chance i don't think and so it was it was a gamble for the trump administration yeah knowing that they might might have to pay these legal bills of the challenges of this to try to put this set of citizenship question on there but i don't think trump cares about that kinda shit right. I get scared that what the supreme court because it's their interpretation the law right where it gets tricky and i'm just like getting but if it's a law that has precedent that's been decided over and over and over and over again which is how it's black kim white like the case <hes> you know where trump is trying to block <hes> them from getting the financial oversight committee from getting financial documents from czars or the finance committee from getting capital indonesia or the house ways and means committee from getting the taxes. These are black and white laws so there's there's not a lot of room for interpretation take for them. That's whereas for like a a roe v wade law. There's more gray area or you know these other kinds of civil rights laws and right shit like that. There's more gray the area ravi way be a president or is it the only precedent therefore it's like not a strong. It's been it's upheld. It's been upheld several times in court. Gordon has a history impressive could interpret it differently than these black and white effing law because you know what roe v wade is based on is it it's constitutional and so when you interpret the constitution it gets fuzzier than when you interpret a statute like you will you shall hand over taxes yeah so it just it gets fuzzy the further back you go with all the old white thanks so much as it gets further backing it really does. It's true for me in my life as well. I don't remember the twentieth very much in overtime to. I imagine the lesson is continuously learned that you have to be as specific as possible yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah but in any case he's going to shell out a shitload of money the and that is shot in freud and guys it may come as no surprise but trump is now backtracking on his fickle sort of support art for expanded background checks after the mouth the multiple mass shootings last week saying but we already have a lot of background checks. That's that's what he said. We already have a lot of back classic trump right yeah he n._r._a. Called him oh yeah of course yeah because he was like we talk about background checks just like the last time we we talk about bump stocks and our i gave them a call and they remember that thirty million dollars bro yeah is like don't be scared of the n._r._a. Trump okay <laughter> dying the week who's their low energy like no no low energy on our very not smart. I wish you take more energy to pull a trigger. That was what we need. Guns that are harder to use really isn't even an older person yeah like they could do it. I think that's a good idea. I still like chris rock's idea of making the bullets cost five thousand dollars when i get paid him papa capital two weeks from now. I love that yeah seriously seriously though it's it's like why would you even be intimidated by a group that truly is dying that is i know. They still have a much more. He's also think he probably relates to the more than anything god i. I don't even know if i could say that. I think he's fucking gonna live forever emboldened. Yeah i mean i think they're both in their death rose. I i hope so but that's you know it's we'll see what happens. I don't know he's going to back off of it like he always does. I just hope that washington shington doesn't back off of it like they have the last one hundred times. This discussion has come up <hes> eighty percent of <hes>. What's the jin the new generation jin. What's the letter jones agency. Yeah heard. Eighty percent of them are voting in the next election if that if that since his take makes any sense or maybe it's the turning eighteen by the time yeah it's definitely will at canvas knwo what they were saying but their main thing is student debt so it could be our generation. It can be confusing the letters but the point is is the millennials eighty percent of millennials. Yeah yeah there you go yeah yeah i. I feel like they would back that kind of thing. They really scared of all kinds of things like that yeah and they and they care more. I feel like they're they're just more into. It and i hope that's the truth to we'll see how the vote turns out guys. We'll we'll be right back. After this quick word with more news today's hashtag missy we'll be. We're a nation of immigrants and it's our diversity that makes us strong the motto of the united states of america's e. pluribus unum which is latin for of many one. We are the great melting pot and that made amy really curious as to where my family came from and how we fit into the american story and that ultimately led me to discover more about my family history with the ancestry d._n._a. Test ancestry through d._n._a. Gives you so much more than just the places. Your family is from. It gives you a deeper understanding of who you are and your family story ancestries data archives and record collections. Give you a more complete picture sure so you can trace your ancestors overtime and it's really easy to get started. I took the test and found out that not only was i not irish which was the family room for years but something amazing happened and i found one of my ancestors who was a comedian musician from the nineteen twenty s who played banjo at the cliquot key club in new york and was commute he'd like sang funny songs and not only we do i write comedy songs and i've been like a huge weird al fan forever but my dad also did and then i found out that my great great uncle was famous for it to harry research so it's not just about origin origin it's about people and most importantly it's about understanding my responsibility to others and then unless we're indigenous we're all immigrants and that we must love and respect everyone's family story because that is what makes america great and we respect everyone story by understanding our own so go to ancestry dot com today for twenty percent off your ancestry d._n._a. Kit that's ancestry dot com for twenty percent john off your dna kit and start building your story today. Ancestry dot com all right guys. Welcome back just a few more headlines for today in a stunning move. The department of justice filed another amicus brief signing with trump over the house financial services an intel committees. If you remember they did this last week in the mazari's case filed on an amicus brief which is also in the appellate court at the moment and the d._o._j. Saying they don't think the oversight committee and elijah cummings have specific enough legislative live reasons to demand trump's financial records from his accounting firm czars yeah well the d._o._j. Has filed another amicus brief in the deutsche bank and capital one case and you'll remember when we talked about this last week. I'm like they haven't done it yet. For the deutsche bank capital one case but you can put your beans on it and here they are the second circuit court of appeals is set to hear arguments in the deutsche bank capital one case on friday <hes> over the subpoenas issued by those committees and their investigation into trump his family his businesses and their banking history and whether that includes money laundering during our foreign influence the d._o._j. Also argues that these multiple investigations could distract trump from doing his job. Okay how many callers out of quote no. They'll never know these days. That's how i figured they might say right little keys distracting him from his president xiao. How do as president job. You guys not fell. <hes> the lower court ruled against trump in this case <hes> the panel is made up of <hes> one jimmy carter into bushes and that's hilarious. That's that's how i'm gonna do. I'm gonna imagine that the appointments from now on like these three panel judges we got an obama. We got a bush and we got a card card. I love that. I wish jimmy carter could just be permanently employed as a judge. A pointer amazing so great is out there building houses. He's just so fucking reasonable in unkind he just realistic tyson being reasonable but like addressing trump head on but also not sounding crazy while saying it. It's like that's what we need more of yeah. Although if i could think think of the one person that would be the worst opponent against trump. Currently it would be jimmy carter because he's like he's nine hundred in the slow wanna be there isn't bernie all too and i would vote for him. Yeah i'd vote for bernie eight hundred yeah but jimmy carter he doesn't have any fire. He's like he's like. The reasonable radiates from fire which is nice. He's one of those fireplaces. The amish build with no real yeah literally going right home. He's just like the fireplace making me warm yeah. That's true fireplace jimmy carter jimmy throw another log on the doc doc. It's no problem. I remember when we used to throw down on some marshmallows on the jimmy carter. Have some smart okay so yeah. We got to carter's in a bush <hes> no one card or to bush yeah. That's the panel. That's the three the three judge panel. That's going to hear this. Of course they're going to decide. They're going to rule with the lower court. I i one hundred percent on this. I i mean i don't i don't i don't have any inside information. I just know the law is so black and white like we were talking about earlier and i ah i think trump will appeal it. He'll want here have it reheard and bonk in front of the whole nine panel and then when they say no you're crazy. He'll probably petitioned. The supreme court does precourt as they were not listening listening to this <hes>. I don't think they'll hear it. They'll kick it back down and the n. Bonk circuit court second circuit court panel all decision will hold all right which kicks it back down to the district judge which is no trump loses like that so that's my beans two ninety three guys all right all right guys time to get social ashed rush to all right so today we have a hashtag i stand with p. P. and hashtag pro protect ten or it's actually x. Because it's roman roman numeral ten because monday the trump administration forced planned parenthood out of title ten deliberately obstruction and obstructing low income people's access to basic health services and interfering in medical local decisions made by patients and their doctors so we're calling for the courts to protect title ten. That's what we were doing with. This hashtag be planned. Parenthood is the biggest grantee not of title ten federal funding using forty one percent of it but trump is said he will not fund planned parenthood or any of the title ten grandees if they refer sub graentiz if they refer patients out for abortion care and planned parenthood and other defendants have asked for an injunction to allow funding to continue but they have yet to hear arguments in the case those are due september twenty third until then planned parenthood and the other forty one hundred providers who rely on titled ten funding will either have to comply with the gag order and not refer patients out for abortion care or rely on private donation so please give to planned parenthood post on social media with the hashtag protect ten. That's a roman numeral ten so protect acts and you can throw in a hashtag. I stand with p. for good measure and this is one of those steps. Were talking about <hes> one of those things. We look back on and go. There was a flag totally yeah have you on because i think one time period that i didn't have insurance. I think i was is this the same thing as family packed. It's like i remember is like a green card. I feel like it's a california thing. This is federal funding that could be funneled into that but i think the idea is that they're cutting off the federal funding for these kinds of things things for any for any clinic that makes more abortion care referrals yeah which is crazy. It's like you can't even say hey. I recommend you get it somewhere else without getting getting the funding cut that's yeah you can't refer an abortion care right which effectively then on principle there like will then know right. We're not going to accept this and we're not accepting any of your money exactly yeah which is really really bold of them because i i would imagine it'd be able to to stay sustain with just private donations even though it would help them like maintain for now but the idea is that hopefully that ruling will work in their favor and then they'll get the funds back because that's a lot yes a lot of money and they need for like basic paying right and of course communities lack education occasion and resources to our older ones that like are in need of abortion services as are all communities but yeah the education deficit is like obviously bigger and socioeconomic. I'm surged. I'm with them because if you can't make the decision that you need to make a doctor then you might be violating your do no harm oath and also ah per ethically because remember i think it was missouri where they had that one final abortion clinic left and they were making them add an unnecessary pelvic exam intrusive probe job exam <hes> for no medical reason and they in order to keep the clinic open because it was the last one in missouri they said all right. We'll do this and and and after a couple weeks the doctors were like i can't do this. It is against ethical practice or you aren't letting me a doctor. The government is basically trump is basically standing in the room with your feet up on the stirrups and he's telling you your doctor is not allowed to say certain things to you kind of socialism when they claim they're against it. It's like they just cherry pick when they wanna and do it. It's like it's like a police state but they're taking away funding accept the idea of social social. It's not a good so you're talking about like you get bad social good well. It's like i mean there's like the the universality of socialism which i think is kind of what you're thinking of. The fact that like something is applied to there's a blanket rule. That's a whole group is more political. One side better other side. It's something like fascism yeah yeah definitely more fascism and so i wouldn't use socialism to describe anything negative. That's fair at this moment. Mary yeah even in cuba. Where are there completely the wrong kind of socialism that you're talking about fascist that operate a quote unquote socialist regime basically that's because they're distorting the principles of social exactly so it's a government at this point saying i'm going to dictate how doctors are doctors but also i'm gonna take away their funding. It's it's. I'm not going to fund you. Unless you are doctors the way i want want you to dr writing even in cuba which you would think oh communist cuba or you know toward that end <hes> which is one hundred percent government run healthcare system they don't ah do that. They don't intervene and make decisions on behalf of patients and doctors interesting yet. We're doing it here. In the united states a privately funded healthcare system that you know that we you pay for of course these this is federal funding that we're talking about but to manipulate federal funds for access to care for forty one percent of americans low income americans so that you can dictate what the doctor says to you and then to turn around his republican and blamed democrats for being the ones who want to control your healthcare and disallow you when your doctor to make decision right. It's the fucking opposite and it's got to stop an so hashtag it protect ten absolutely yeah and it's also like like what i read was that this is a program that has been titled ten. That's been going on successfully for decades and decades and decades so the fact that they're doing this is completely unprecedented and with this program as well and it's across all administrations to nobody's ever out of fucking problem with it before accept this douchebag. Yes pence's over here like listen. There's so many things are doing. I mean like that. I've never been done before. It's disgusting fascist. Yes and not to mention the fact that the president has paid people off to frigging like get rid of things yeah exactly look at <hes> you know go mcdougal and <hes> stormy yeah home closed. The storm had daily y'all's. I don't know anyone that gives her ship for doing stand up like just pisses me off she was. She's so funny like even if she okay. I'm just gonna throw. Even her set wasn't great hypothetically. I didn't see it. It's probably awesome but like just the idea of someone trying something in that because she did porn. That's like a dumb idea. I think that's people shitting on people for trying things. I shouldn't do it if except for when trump don't try to be president we can go. I'm a hypocrite. Just me all right guys. That's our show for today. You guys have any final thoughts. Oh yeah i found a cool. <hes> celebrated ready dot com is called beans and things it's just a bunch of pictures of beans and places they shouldn't be and it's really cool really like in thing yeh hi. It's like safer work. You know so it's like just random beans in a shoe or beans in a gun or beans and o'clock. You know just beans in crazy places excellent. Yeah find one and ready dot com slash are slash beans and things you know how right it's weird. Just google beans and things go find one. Go find a picture tweeted at us. Please do there's so many daily daily beans pod and follow us to anymore followers. I'll follow back. I'll start falling back. I know i'm falling like one person right yeah. It's fun though to follow back. People really appreciate. Amanda founded beans baby baby number one. Are there are there. Is there a series of beans babies being so young. There's okay beans and fireball balm in orange rinds. Is that an install or is that a is that right yeah okay favorite picture sure of beans and things and and we'll follow back yes at <hes> at daily bean pod and that's excellent. That's not going to be my new emergency kittens which i was introduced to by oshawa golf. I want him having a bad day on on twitter. That's great. I just had to go through instagram today and follow things how so make me happy and take my mind off of imminent doom but you're not fair enough <hes> arts. Are you done with your last word. Damn okay <hes> because i have one i saw the mooch is trying to gather a bunch of support from eggs exch- trump advisors trying to put together a coalition of the willing yes that he says we'll be ready to come out to the public and mid to late fall. He says to tell the world how crazy donald trump is as if that's going to make any sort of difference whatsoever dropping joint mix tape wage hey moods. We've been already doing this for like three years. Never right. I like the concept of getting people together that were once heralded by donald trump. You know them all coming together on a united front unfortunately unfortunately though clearly that's not gonna make a difference of his base because they are saying shit like he shoots or any the drought that accent you. I mean it to be a general. You know like yeah yeah. I mean they'll my point. Is you all support him. No matter what they don't care about all the shitty things he's done. They truly believe that he is worth it yeah yeah and and the difference i think between mooch and some other folks that i've been talking to that are former trump supporters. Is it still a republican. He still wants to take away your abortions. He still wants you know tax cuts for the rich he still wants. I don't know how he feels about l._g._b._t._q. Plus rights but i can't be good and he's still a republican but when i'm when i'm talking about when i'm talking about what i'm going to talk about next is i'm talking about republicans who have turned into democrats because they've realized that we had enough of the hate they realized you know. Maybe they have a gay daughter or maybe you know whatever it is and now they're coming around me and like i can't can't vote against the these are my people in these are my friends and these are the people i love. What about independence same thing pretty much. No you gotta be democrat gotta be. I don't i don't live r._v. Sometimes being on the fence is not enough. Maybe steps for them. Baby steps romy terry. Go one small step for democracy definitely know libertarians unless he's socially socially independent because unless you're voting blue this time and that's what i'm talking about here. I'm talking about people who are willing voted for trump or used to be trump supporters that used to be republicans that are willing to vote blue in the two thousand twenty election because it just can't stand these policies and they can't deal with it anymore and so i have a parting thought in this i've noticed that when former trump supporters changed parties and they want to become democrats and vote blue some democrats demonize them and try to drum them out of the party and i wanted to ask you and of course you don't have to listen to me but please stop doing that. <hes> we've. I've been begging people to change. That's what activism is we march to get people to change their minds and hearts and when they do we have to give them room to change what you don't have to but i really appreciate it and we need to build bridges not walls and and if they're a mole you know if they're an a-hole like a trojan horse we we can air on the side of kindness. It doesn't really you know i ah i i understand that kind of harder than hate but i think we're fucking tough and i believe in us and the last thing we want is to send these folks who have been conned and had the courage to admit it back to the polls with hate in their hearts for democrats and i understand that some of us have been gasoline and abused and <hes> you know so badly and assaulted take our you know our our minds of an assaulted so badly that we aren't ready to forgive. Some of us aren't ready to forgive and that's totally understandable. We all do what we can in our own time. I only ask that you don't slough venom on him and you know if you need the talk. We're here for you so please take care of yourselves and please take care of each other. I've been h. E. i. vangelis the johnson jordan coburn. Them's the beans. The daily beans is produced by a._g. Featuring lisa johnson and jordan coburn and engineered and edited by mackenzie mozelle and starve industries are marketing manager is thoroughly steiner and our merchandising editor sarah hershberg of valencia fact checking and research by a._g. Lisa johnson and johnson coburn with executive assistance by amanda reader. Our music is written and performed by they might be giants. Science our web design and branding or by joel reader with moxy design studios and our website is daily beans pod dot com.
Ep. 86 - ShaunKingFundraisingReport.com
"Just a few weeks ago seven person panel of experts in justice reform in law and finance and compliance including three different the attorney the c._p._a. Looked at every dollar i've ever raised in the black lives matter movement every penny i've ever raised over the past five years of my public leadership and i gave them full permission to share whatever they found flattering or otherwise help them make direct contact with dozens of family members charities and campaigns means but i've helped to raise money for across the years you can find their full report now at shaun king fundraising report dot com but they also ask for five years of my tax returns which provided they asked for full access to my checking account and savings accounts investment accounts money management the software user names and passwords to my email accounts in all of my social media accounts and i provided all of that and they issued the seventy two page the report and we're going to dedicate today's episode to talking about the report. I do have a promise to make you you. You can see it right now. Shaun king fundraising report dot com. It's seventy two pages long include testimonies from every family 'cause and charity and campaign. I've ever supported is that this is going to be the last time we dedicate an episode to this now. I know many of you who may be hearing this. We're saying damn sean. I don't even need to hear it. I trust you. I believe of you. I appreciate that but i want you to understand that this report was really made for you. It wasn't made for the haters of the detractors. It was for you because here's what i know and i'm i'm just being real about it. I'm gonna continue raising money for families in crisis for people that are impacted by police brutality and white supremacy the people who experienced natural disaster personal tragedy. I'm gonna keep raising funds for campaigns causes every single day because here's the thing in here's we talk about on the podcast. Walk all the time we are being out funded day after day after day in our fight for change and our fight for justice and here's what i know in order i to win those fights to keep raising money. We'll keep producing these types of reports so people understand that i'm not getting rich. I don't even have access to of the funds that i raise doing all of this to make a difference in the world. Listen we're going to dig in this is shaun king and you're listening to the the breakdown down the breakdown breakdown of all the things that i've been able to do over the past few years. I'm extremely extremely proud of all the financial support that we've been able to provide families who've been horribly impacted by police brutality a families who've been horribly impacted by white supremacy violence personal tragedy natural disaster. I'm proud of the financial support. We've been able to provide charities campaigns campaigns and causes. I'm gonna keep doing it but i want you to understand how i do that. Work why i do that work and all the systems and structures that are in place to not not only make sure that it's done with integrity but to make sure that it's done in compliance with so oh many different rules policies and laws because here's what i have known for years on end. If i make a single financial nanteuil mistake it could ruin me and could ruin the work that we do so we have so many checks and balances and so many systems in place to make sure that everything everything we do is in full compliance including. We have a full-time compliance officer in all the organizing work that we do that. We pay a good amount of money to make sure that everything we do is beyond reproach and so for the next few minutes. I'm going to break down a few of the things that are the report but the best thing that you could do and i'm asking you personally. I want you to read this report. Okay i know again. I know you're saying damn sean. I trust you. Why listened to the podcast. I trust you. That's why support the northstar the breakdown. That's why i support flip. The senate the action pack i get it. I appreciate your support but i want you to be armed with this information as well because people are going to continue to attack me and to attack the work that we do ambato default when they attacked me in the work. They're also attacking the families that we help. They're attacking the charities and causes. It's an campaigns that we support and it's a major distraction for everybody so give me just a few minutes to break down all right. Let's break it down the. I don't want to tell you about the seven people who came together to actually produce this report. We have to make a mallory who is co-chair of the women's march and co-founder of justice league n._y._c. We have becky bond who is one of the most skilled respected organizers in the country. Sorry she's a partner at the social practice but she's also a former staffer bernie sanders and better rourke and just does amazing work and has impeccable integrity tiffany hawkins alan boomer were to financial experts that we brought onto the team they work for a company called momentum advisers and i provided them at their request with full access to all of our checking. I'm talking about our personal. Checking savings investment investment accounts credit cards user names passwords money-management software and they have unlimited access to all of that information that goes back more more than ten years also rob smith who was a brilliant civil rights attorney. He's an executive for the justice collaborative and david metron who is an expert attorney in the issue of compliance for political organizations ngos and david also is one of the primary authors of our f. e. c. reports he is an attorney for san lary which is one of the most respected <hes> law firms in the country and lee merritt who is a civil rights attorney and who i partnered with on nearly twenty different fundraisers for families and also we had the support of a c._p._a. And tax attorney that's a certified public accountant and tax attorney richard bell and it was actually richard's idea but i provide the team and i provided the entire team with five four years. The past five years of our tax returns those are joint returns that are i five with my wife and not just a statement or the front page or anything like that but we provided the entire team. The past five years of our tax returns turns from two thousand fourteen until now twenty thirteen until now actually and <hes> they full access to all of those things and it was their job to begin taking a deep dive into all of that data. I also introduced them to every family. I've ever worked worked with every attorney i've ever worked with every campaign calls and charity that i've ever worked with i introduced them to all of them and then got out of the way for them to engage interview every family as they wished without my presence and the job of that at seven person team was to go through years and years and years of data and information and <unk> out of that to produce a report on all of the fundraising that i have done for families charities or causes and campaigns for people in distress and in crisis their job was to produce an unflinching unfettered report on what they found and i want to explain everything that's in that report now but again and i'll double down on this when you get a moment even if you have to click out of the podcasts click out of go to shaun king fundraising report dot com and check it out for yourself. It may be even better if you look at it on a computer but you can see it from your phone as it. It's a mobile double version. You can see the photos the letters the testimonials and all of the records that we're discussing now but i'd love you to check it out in then listen to him about the tel you all right go on go to shaun king fundraising report dot com all right. Take a break it down. Pat breaks down down forget to break it down down. This report was amazingly difficult to put together. It literally required meet cancel. Almost everything i've done over the past ten days as you may have noticed we missed multiple episodes of podcast which we've never done before you're in on several days me and this entire team literally working fourteen sixteen hours a day just on this report and it's just so much information and when people say where the hell's the report i mean clearly must nobody. Oh body produces these types of reports but the thing that was the most difficult about getting the report is. I didn't actually manage any of these fundraisers. They were always just links that families sent me the causes and charities and campaign sent me that i never even had access to and and so tracking down each campaign scrubbing through hundreds of thousands of social media posts and emails we found nearly a hundred different fundraisers that i had supported directly in one way or another and since we first published this report every few hours someone sends us another one and another one. I did not mean to sound like d._j. College alad right there but every time we think we have finally found every fundraiser that i've ever supported somebody reminds us of something that that i i shared a on instagram or something that i shared an e mail that we couldn't find because we're searching through with certain search terms term so say we search all of my emails for go fund me but there are some that we didn't use go fund me with families set it up sometimes on you caring caring <hes> or launch good or <hes> some other site that we didn't remember using but again we we didn't set the fundraisers up days were just links that people sent me and so it was amazingly laborious and time consuming i to just this compile every fundraiser and to get all of the data for every fundraiser and we tracked all the fundraisers that i've ever promoted and began the process which was painful of reaching out to every particularly every family that that i've ever supported many of these families and these phone calls were difficult in ways that people have no thought of many of these family only suffered unspeakable violence not just police brutality and white supremacy. Many of them experienced personal tragedy. There was a a 'cause that's listed there the report of a of a mother who lost her mother and her infant child in a house fire and some we're reaching out to this woman who lost her mother and baby and we're reaching out to her to say hey we shared your fundraiser a a lot and helped you raise fifty thousand dollars but now we need a statement from you that shaun king never had that money like it's it's kind of a ridiculous silas process but we did it and it was it was a very painful process for people because normally when i'm asked to share a fundraiser acer it's at somebody's lowest point in their life and what we're having asked them is to go back to that point and now dig into the financial decisions and who had access and for a lot of people found it was very difficult and it was difficult for me we obtain statements now from nearly fifty different families attorneys and executives across nearly a hundred different fundraisers and there were several old fundraising pages that were completely closed down and in those cases we had to reach out directly to the fundraising platform a second in this is a bit nerdy. We we provided a full accounting of the real justice pack. That's the political group that i was a co founder of that helps. Let new district attorney's across the country and we filed full thorough f. e. c. reports every quarter. We're required to do that and we have filed them now for going on three years but we provided provided access to all of those f. e. c. reports they're available publicly already but we provided direct access to those and a direct overview of the funds that i've race as for the action pack and our first campaign with the action pack is our flip the senate campaign and we provided full access to all of those funds and statements admits not only from the attorneys but becky bond. Who is the executive director known senior leadership team of those packs that i'm not even paid for the work that did i do with flip. The senate or action packed we have over a dozen different paid staffers and consultants and i'm not one of them. We've been provided my salary for real justice which is four thousand one hundred sixty six dollars a month. I'm not the highest paid person even four real justice. I'm a co founder and a huge promoter and fundraiser for that 'cause but i'm not even close to the highest paid staffer there and <hes> i don't mean many of you earn about fifty thousand dollars a year with real justice and that's without benefits and <hes> for some some of you. Maybe that sounds like a whole lot of money and maybe you make less than that and i get that but in new york it's not it's not a lot of money at all. That's pre-tax four thousand one six six dollars a month with no benefits and you know i lose about half of that in taxes here in new york doc and <hes> and we work hard to elect district attorney's across the country so we put my salary out there and that's the literally the only salary that i get from <hes> any of the work organizing fundraising or advocacy that i'm doing on behalf of families now. I was a bit floored when the c._p._a. Asks for the past five years of my tax returns and you know. I think that's become very politicized. Clearly donald trump trump has not provided any of his tax returns and and presumably never will <hes>. I think virtually every democrat running for president has done so now and i i did it. I provided the past five fold tax returns and not just the first few pages but the entire returns. It's just invasive yousef like there's nothing to hide there but i was surprised even myself how weird it felt to send and to a team of seven people i know them and trust them in respect them but your tax returns are normally so private in your income coming in filings and charitable donations and things like that are normally so private that <hes> it was just a new thing for me to send that to the team and <hes> we sent in my wife file our taxes jointly and we sent in <hes> the past five years of our full tax returns and then lastly ashley and we did this in part in case. Anybody said we'll <hes> if sean was a being fraudulent again i have to to remind people the things i'm being accused of of raising money for families but actually keeping that money for myself in one way or another which has never happened not a single a a single penny single dime. That's a crime if i did that once i would be committing multiple federal crimes but just in case as people say well. I don't trust the tax returns. I provided a tiffany and alan of momentum advisors full access to to all of our checking accounts all of our savings accounts all of our credit cards all of our retirement accounts all of the money management software and i mean not only just <unk> statements but the actual user names and passwords every account that we've had for the past ten years and it actually goes back beyond ten years anthony hopkins and allen boomer are industry-leading financial advisers and they had full access to that in looked over every nickel in diamond that we've brought in and that has gone out and all of that is included in the report and then lastly multiple members of that at seven person review team were given full access user names and passwords to my twitter account to my facebook and all of my social media accounts so that they could see messages and activity and everything going back to to the founding of each of those accounts and all of that data all of the reports all of that including interviews that were done with dozens and dozens of families all of that was was built into a seventy two page report of my financing in fundraising over the past five years of the black lives asmat movement and i'm proud of it. I'm i'm proud of the report and i'm proud of the fundraising and i wanna tell you just one final thing and then we'll close because i just want you to take a look at the report a right. We're close with just this action. Step in one final word. Take take action. I think the thing that has disturbed me. The most is this part of this. This is included in the report is all the way back in twenty fourteen. I when eric garner died and then john crawford and mike brown i started raising funds for the family of my brown right away and something really weird started to happen of course right away. I started being called. Racial slurs started getting death threats. I have a whole chapter my book where i talk about some of the horrible moments that happened in those weeks where the death threats started the poor in. I'd never experienced experienced it like that. Somebody started lying and saying that i was stealing money from the family of eric garner and at the time the garner family didn't even have fundraiser and then even after they had a fundraiser i didn't share it and i was so thrown off by that and so was erica garner the daughter of eric garner who since passed away but eric and i became friends over that lie and i realized then like oh people are literally not fighting fair here like this is ugly but it was primarily white supremacist controls and then a few months later it became ultra conservatives and then a few months later became mainstream republicans but then a year later it became white liberals and then a few years later it became black folk and all of a sudden everybody ranging being from white supremacists to everyday black folk and everybody in between were saying chongqing stealing from these families families but the live first emerged from white supremacists. They did it with tamir rice. They did it again with mike brown. They did it with fundraiser after fundraiser and what started happening was weird. It just started being picked up first by what appeared to be fake black accounts and then started being re tweeted by actual black accounts with through that whole thing not one single family ever would say did say has said will say that i ever touched processed had access to do the funds that we raise for them but it just kept getting shared shared unshared and so today we have an action step for you and i really do need your support with this. I'm asking for you to get this link. Shaun king fundraising report dot com or you can go to instagram <hes> <hes> it's it's in my by on instagram and my bio on twitter. It's the pinned post on my facebook page and i need you to get this report in reading it as i and if you do anything i just want you to read it for yourself. I want you to understand the work. We do how we do it. What it looks sly how we account for what the reporting is like how we how we stay engaged with families and how support of these families have been but then i want on you and i'm asking you personally to share this on your social. Media platforms text it to your friends posted on your personal facebook page. If you have a public facebook pays posted hosted with your own words tweeted you can read tweet me. That's great. I appreciate it bright your own tweet and include the link. Write your own post on facebook and instagram. I am put it on your instagram. Story include the link. We need this information out there to counterbalance the the lies and fabrications and negativity. That's out out there because here's the thing and i've said already. I'm gonna keep raising money for causes campaigns for people who desperately need the support and what happens is is when these lies spread over and over and over again it makes it harder for me to do what i do well and so i'm asking you personally to share all of this information nation shared as far and wide as you can and we'll be looking for those links and sharing them as well all right. I appreciate you. I'm grateful for your support. Let's let's keep pushing. We're going to move on past this. It's going to exist there. People are gonna keep telling the lies they tell but i need you to share it and push back and we'll always have this report to be able to point people back to all right. Thank you so much for your love and support. I love and appreciate each and every one of you take everybody. They bring the bring them and bring the bring. Bring in britain break going down the day at the break.
Barrett Brief- Americans Want The Feds To Force Their Neighbors To Mask
"So sixty five people think that should be required in public. By the way Bell County, Texas has just began their two-week nonsensical. mask mandate. Inside a building, you have to wear a mask. Which is just ridiculous? because we're not doing poorly here, we actually had. Our death, we've gone from like twenty, five, Forty, seven to twenty, eight to forty nine and yesterday, our death toll was in the twenties. But we'll talk about that in the next hour. just because that goes along with the story from Newsweek where Houston protesters are actually starting to fall ill with corona virus. This is after we were told Time after time after time. That, Corona virus was woke and it would just fly over protests and go to bars, right My woke. Fellows I will fly over you with no problem up. Is that a bar? I'm affect you suckers. All ten of you get you. Hundred thousand people in the park. you guys are Happy Rainbow Flags on that school. Up. Is that a hair salon? You like dive bombs. It's making it look like. It's making it sound like covid nineteen. Is a is a dive bomber just inspecting. The morality virus were flying over your city, and it's like Oh. Look at all those sodomites protesting. Cheers to you, folks wait a minute. You hear that yet to looks like that's a barbershop. That's open. Let's get them. Just die bombing corona virus all over people. How dare you have your bar open year? But you protesters all fifty thousand. You guys. You guys are cool. Have Gone, guys, we. I. It sounds stupid folks because that's how stupid ease. That's how absolutely stupid this whole thing is now. There were I. Don't know how many people they were packed in. Chicago Yesterday for a pride parade at the same time. Good Catholics are not even allowed to go to church. But the sodomite wants to have a huge parade. Oh. Yeah, good look have a goal when you guys need some bag lunches. How about some orange slices? Catholic taking. We have a mask adds a little dangerous. So dangerous, There's ten thousand people in the park of e Ab. The viruses woke. Don't you get it? It's all about it's pride month. They actually t legal for Cova to infect sodomites now. July. First all things are off the table, but right now because it's imprvement, there's actually the Supreme Court Justice Robert Just authored an opinion cove. Nineteen is actually it's illegal to infect gable during the month of June. Now July I wou whatever do go get it. But they can have their protests and it had the Kovin like what was it Salt if you put salt around on yourself, which is aren't supposed to get you right. They have their magical pride flags. Those pry flags prevent covid nineteen from actually getting us if you have a pride flag, it's like you're identifier. You're okay, it's fine. It's just you have to look at it this way. And now people are acting like masks. Non Medical Masks are the R D thing that's going to keep you safe. Even though over the weekend the CDC released the report I talked about. It's twenty five million Americans. They have had it which drives down your death rate two point five regardless of age group. No sixty five percent of Americans want you to wear masks. So, they can feel better. That's all it is right. Real men wear masks. Shut up! Nancy Pelosi Real men don't abort their babies either. Real men don't support a boarding babies, real men do real men go defend statues of King Louis. That's what real men do real men don't put on a piece of cloth over their mouth and breathing their own co two I was at church on Sunday. My wife and I not wearing masks. Sitting around people who were and I kid you not I almost hurled. I know I'm going to bring almost hurled because there was a guy to fuse in front of me, wearing his blue mask sneezed into the mask. And then just kept breathing. I'm like dude. What are you doing? You realize you're breathing in all the stuff your body's. Grows. You'd. Like people are coughing into these things and people don't realize the these people who put the stuff up on on social media like look at this petri dish. Look at this petri dish. This petri dishes just breathing and look at all the nasty stuff in it. Look at this petri dish rows wearing a mask. Nothing got into it. Excuse me, sir. Yes little man in the back rebel from the Babri, here real quick question. So you're telling me. All that nasty stuff in the Petri dish that you breathe out. That didn't get onto the other. Petri dish that you were wearing masking I'm breathing all that stuff back in. Well take the. Shot it. You people are so dumb. You don't even realize yourself owning. Look at this. This petri dish completely cleaned. Yeah, we're all the stuff go. Where did all the stuff go that? Your body's trying to get rid of We're right back down my throat. Oh Joy! Right right, so you have to leave. Right I saw dude sneeze. And I was like. All all. The Want to say it on the radio it's disgusting. But that's healthy. That's healthy. I'll say it again like that. That's healthy. Yeah. Let me just blow my nose and instead of throwing the tissue away. Let me just cover my face in it. That's what you're doing. I'm sorry I really didn't even try to get that gross, but yet the think like that. Who are you helping buddy. Helping you're not helping anybody. But this idea that sixty five percent of Americans are so dag gone stupid. That? They one another they want. Let me, put it this way. Calm down for a second and actually make a decent point instead of acting kind of goofy. Because right now everything is just so we are in ludicrous speed I. Have to look at it from from a foolish point of view as the only way, I can disseminate it. But let me break it down to you here. So. Sixty, four. Eight I'm sorry eighty six percent of Democrats. Want this national band or this national mandate right. eighty-six out of that eighty-six, let's row Fli say fifty percent of those support. Black lives matter. Why am I bringing that in? What's one of the goals of black lives matter to fund the police? Who Do you need to enforce a mask mandate? Though police. Right remember Eric Garner believe it was the guy who was selling individual cigarettes, New York who was killed. He was the first. I can't breathe. You know why they arrested him for sell Lucy. Cigarettes a ridiculously stupid law this mandate. Thank. You Wolfgang Alpha. You're amazing. If you WANNA donate, be awesome like Wolfgang. Alpha, crusade channel Dot com forward slash chat. Big about that. Democrats want to define the police at the same time. They want the police to enforce the mask mandate. This is how dumb they are. You GonNa have another situation where somebody's going to be. Imprisoned or somebody's going to be detained and they're going to get an injury. Police brutality! That's taking place You back the idea of mandating that person wearing a mask which forced the bullies to do that. Right if even I can figure that out and by the way I'm really I'm I'm kind of taking this point from Eric. July so footnote Eric July on that one. I'm just kind of expanding on. Understand. These people who want the police to funded need the police to enforce the mask mandate. These people don't even know what the hell they're doing at this point. They're not even chasing their own tail. But that's IT folks. That's ridiculous stat of the day or significant digit that eighty six percent I'm sorry sixty five percent. Of Americans want the federal government to enforce a mask mandate in public, so they feel better about themselves. There's no scientific data behind it. There is no benefit. No safety nothing. But it makes us feel better. It makes us feel better because of it. Right. Oh I. DO I care about people? Look at everybody. Look at me, I care. I care about you. Yeah, want you keeps breathing in that sneeze. You just add ten minutes ago. Right. That's just that's just absolutely stupid. And then, of course, the people who drive I really can't get over the people. WHO who were their masks in their car by themselves? My wife and I were driving home from church I saw a guy in a pretty decent ninety, two or ninety three Camaro woman, the t tops. Wearing a mask in his car and I looked at my wife, and I said we are such a stupid people.
"Hello Friends? In lieu of a regularly scheduled, we'll talk in real time episode. I have some other things that are on my mind. I can. Scarcely speak. The tears flow way too easily. My Heart. Is beyond heavy. My Post yesterday. Fuck it I feel sad and mad as hell. was a response. To An ignorance, social media message I received on Instagram. Now of course I know I didn't need to respond. But I did for several reasons. One. was hurt. And pissed. I believe also that education is the hen tip asus of ignorance. And quite frankly emotionally. I hit a tip tipping point. and. Needed space. To give voice to my feelings. Now I didn't lash out at this person. Via Social Media, which is what I believe. She intended for me to do based on looking at her social feed. I just got the sense that she was an agitator in just really didn't want to give her that satisfaction. As I've mentioned in several post. Recently I'm I. Have This love hate relationship with social media I've been working in social media management for the greater part of fifteen. Eighteen years. And finding a balance to connect and share versus emotional overload. Lately just it's not easy. I'm working on it. I will say. The one good thing that came with my post yesterday is that it opened my eyes. It allowed me an opportunity to release some pent up feelings. And in writing I realized that. I can lend my voice. I can lend my social spaces to inform to educate honor to uplift and support folks who are spreading messages of hope and truthful information. In the end though. I I have to always do would speak to my heart. And, right now, my heart needs some space. To contemplate. To Heal. So. That is why today he. Cancelling. The wrangler posts for real time. Row. Talking real time. Because I just can't. And I'm supporting. Hashtag PODCASTS, blackout. Twitter Movement By reading the names. Of Victims. I sincerely sincerely hope. That you will listen to their names. Even if you've heard them before. Find their stories. something. Sadness anger outrage some. In do something. Vote for change support. Reputable organizations for victims, families and That help people of Color. Have impassioned conversations about race relations. Please, All of my heart and soul. I hope that never. have to add the names of my brothers, my uncles. Cousins in nephews. To his ever growing list. Rest in peace. Trivia on Martin. Tamir Rice. Michael Brown Eric Garner. Sandra Bland. Freddie, Gray. Alton Sterling. BOTHAM team. Ahmed Aubrey. Douglas. Brianna Taylor George Floyd. Thank you for listening.
In Support of Black Lives Matter
"This is a special episode of Changes Beacon Small. Is your host Damian. I'm putting out this ad in support of Justice for George Floyd. who was killed when a police officer knelt on his neck for eight minutes forty six seconds. I support justice for Briana, Taylor who was killed in her own home, and for dominate Clayton, Eric Reason Tamir Rice, philander Casteel Eric Garner amid abry and so many others who have been killed by the police in the United States. I'm not American but I kneel with you and support the fight for justice. As someone who's lived in multiple countries around the world I've found that black people everywhere especially in places where we're of the minority, I often distrusted ill-treated. I stunned for equality for human rights and justice all over the world. He s there is an organization black lives matter, but for me black lives matter is a mindset. Piedad need to convince me because I'm a black woman. My mother is a black woman. My father, a black man. It runs through my body. The belief that black lives matter. I was born and raised in Saint Lucia in the Caribbean Best Arrhythmia here in my voice. I moved to Canada when I was twelve and turned thirteen. My first semester of grade nine. I was the only black student there when I started. Out All his enjoyed, reading and books became even more important in my life. My family wanted me to focus on learning and school, not on clubs or friendships, but there were some adults who saw me who I never felt that skin barrier with when I was a student at Wisconsin, secondary school and that was so important. The vice principal Mr La flow called me by name since that very first day when I registered at the school. Mr Williamson and Mr Bender encouraged my interests. Mr Snerdley told me had a nice smile, and not in a creepy way, but rather in a matter of fact, we said I never felt unsafe. The librarian noticing how much I loved? Reading started buying books by black authors for the library. The first book she bought and delivered to. My hands was jazz by Twenty Morrison. But my lifeline in that time, the adult who didn't even me, but whose classroom I regularly escaped to was mistress pompey. She's a black woman originally from the Caribbean to. And I could talk to her about life in a way that she got it. She could empathize. And she understood what I was saying. Whereas many of my other friends did not, they could not put themselves in my shoes. I remained friends with mysteries. pompey to this day. I've never had to wonder how she feels about me about my blackness I am safe with. The fight against racism and for justice requires dedication and persistence. When I was in high school, my fight was for curriculum changes and school policies that respected different cultures and religions. And University I volunteered Kara Din CONNEC, education Santa we've June Govan a black woman who's fought for years in Ottawa for equality and for education. Since I left Canada's seventeen years ago, my life has had less activism, but there are definitely been times when I've felt less than in multiple countries all over the world. There have been instances of subtle suspicious experiences that may or may not have been racism, but there have also been clearly racist instances. We have work to do to eradicate racism all over the world. I am intentional in making sure that I read books by Black Authors and follow black activists on social media. My goal is to amplify the voices by sharing their work. When people display the ignorance about black people I push against their biases, I confront racism when I encounter wreath, but I'm comfortable. I've approach policeman in many countries for directions. I am not afraid when I wear a Hoodie. I have not feared for my life. So I listen closely when my black brothers and sisters stock. I listen black men in Canada. Tell me of being stopped by the police because of racial profiling. It hurts me that so many black men and women have been killed by the police. I feel the tension in my body when I watched police in full armor face off against protestors. I try to imagine the pain that you must feel to want everything to crash and burn to consider that the only way to have a chance for justice is to break down everything that exists. I do not know that kind of anguish. Ama- black woman who believes down to my car that black lives matter and I also believe that black pin matters. If you don't get why black lives matter I'm not going. Spend time in this episode. It! There are better resources than me for that. What I will say is this. Every single person in society is responsible for the society that we live in. We decide by the way we vote by the way we live what we say and don't say what we do and don't do. We have power in how we spend our money who we engage with Hobie. Donate to what we read what we consume. My challenge to you is educate yourself. Get outside yourself for a moment and Lynn about issues of justice for black people. Read some books. What some documentaries! Talk to your friends about what you're thinking and feeling. Notice the pain, the sorrow, the rage, the despair, the range of emotions in the black people around you. Make space for people to talk with you all for them to not. Give them space if they're wrestling and fearing things out for themselves. But the most important part is to do. How will you show up? What will you do to fight for justice? How will you leave as an anti-racist person? My sister and I went to a black lives. Matter protest in Prague. I asked her if she would be comfortable going in the time of coronavirus and was proud of her when she said it was important for us to show up. We made posters and were present in our bodies. We also processing the event with each other. We caught up close to hear what was being said. And as I listened, I could feel the frustration in my body. I was frustrated because I want justice for George, Floyd. But I also want to not have to go one of protest for another black victim of police brutality in the future. I Want Justice for George Floyd but I also want justice and equality for all black people everywhere. So. Yes, let's shine the light on what's happening in the United States, but let's examine racist practices and systems in our own lives in the countries where we leave the places where we work inside our homes inside our minds. So go to the protest. Yes, but then when it's all done, do more. As lies, there are black people carrying fear fear for their life in their body and Brin. Every time they leave the house. And even now when they're in their home, we have work to do. Look around you in the virtual and physical worlds and decide what you can do. And since we're social creatures, it's even better if you can take someone else on the journey with you. There is a list of resources and ideas in the show notes. It's not exhaustive because there are lots of places where you can find those, but I also find that when there are too many choices, people getting analysis paralysis, trying to decide what is best forget about choosing what's best choose something unstaffed today. Over the next few weeks out share what steps people are taken in solidarity with the Black Lives Matter Movement. If you'd like me to share what you're doing, please leave a comment or share your actions by contacted me by going to change. Begin small dot, com. I'll be back next week with another episode of changes begin small. If you have questions or hit years about black lives matter justice and tourism equality. You can leave a voice message or contact me using the form on my website once again. That's changes. Begin Small Dot Com i. wish you a safe. We a healthy week. Take care of yourself. And I hope to meet you here again next week.
How Bob Mueller got Trump campaign manager to tell on Trump
"We have a lot of developing stories tonight. Trump attorney general Bill Barr now pushing to investigate the investigators. This comes of course, after the heat, and the contempt vote for misleading the public also tonight and on told story from the mullahs report what a former Trump aide told molars team, and how it appears he lied about it on this very show. I have a fact check on that. And then later, a key revelation inside the New York City trial that is showing us more about what really happened within the NYPD during the very controversial killing of Eric garner case that has sparked something of a national movement, and it's an important story. We're gonna bring it to you along with those other stories later tonight, but we begin right now with breaking news. It appears Donald Trump junior has caved to congress agreeing to appear for an interview with the Senate intelligence committee. This comes after they pressed him with a subpoena, and it comes after at least one democratic Senator publicly said the president's son could face the extrordinary prospect of jail time, if he did in fact fully defy that subpoena all of this is new tonight. And it shows that the system in this way is working. The interview is stated to be limited to about a half a dozen topics and has a time limit of about four hours all of this coming hours after the president was trashing the whole idea that this was legitimate. You know, it's really a tough situation because my son spent I guess over twenty hours testifying about something that Muller said was one hundred percent. Okay. And now they want to testify again. I don't know why. I have no idea why? But it seems very unfair. No idea why always interesting when someone volunteers an extra denial. I don't know anything about that the president saying as for one hundred percent line. Well, that's not quite the case. They did look at whether the Donald Trump junior meeting and Trump Tower and the interest and receptivity to receiving information of value potentially from a foreigner could constitute a crime now when you look at this, though, they ultimately decided that the evidence would not be enough to obtain and sustain a conviction. That's what the mole report says the president is entitled to his own views just not his own facts of what is in the middle report. Congress clearly has questions for Don, jR, that it didn't wanna sleep under the rug, and it appears they will get these answers in this setting all of that sets up the next clash between this administration and congress because House Democrats are now today setting a former hearing date for different Trump related subpoena. Former White House counsel Don Mcgann hearing now set for a week from today democr-. Rats say if he does not show he will be held in contempt. Heeded began. Going I and. He doesn't. Now, that's the judiciary committee. Then you have Trump lawyers facing questions from another investigative committee, the house intelligence committee. This is what they're saying. They're going to look at Trump's lawyers and they're going to dig into obstruction. They're going to look at whether those lawyers in their view help obstruct the Russia investigation by shaping false testimony after Trump's former fix or Michael Cohen testified. Trump's lawyers helped edit his congressional testimony. Now, again, he is someone who has confessed to misleading congress. So the big question is whether other people might have been in on that Intel chair, Adam Schiff ready to issue subpoenas with all of this drama, though, could be easy to miss the larger headline tonight. So let me tell you what it is. Congressional subpoenas are a very real thing. They can't just be duct. And that's true. Even if in a scratch my back scratch your back type town like Washington, even if you're the president son, Don, jR, could not run out from this subpoena to former Trump lawyer, Don Mcgann, really think he will be able to I take that question to my panel beginning tonight with my while former counsel of the of New York City and Britney Cooper, professor at Rutgers University. Good to see you both get to see. At the beginning with you on the political science of this is this is not just about subpoena rules, it's an inner branch clash, what does it tell you? As we come on the air tonight that Don jR, actually, buckled in part of this clash, you know, what I'm more concerned about is the way that the White House is attempting to bully and subvert our separation of powers and checks and balances process, and so yes, I'm heartened by the fact that Don jR, has had to submit to this process. But the fact that the Trump administration is fighting congress at every level is all about this sort of broader problem of obstruction of Justice. The Trump administration believes that they should not be held accountable to the American people to any levels of government. There are clear indicators evidence that significant crimes and breaches of protocol have been committed here that needs to be investigated. And what should concern us? All is. What happens if? The person who is elected to lead the country says that our processes shouldn't be respected this undermining of our view of government creates a real crisis of confidence in the country. In addition to this battle over whether there's a crisis of constitutionality, I think they're absolutely is. And so I'm not as excited about the fact that Don, jR will testify because we'll do what Lindsey Graham told him to do which is to invoke the fifth amendment. And so then to symbolically cooperate, but not actually based on the reporting we have, and it's fluid would appear that he's not looking to that because they go. She hated for the hours. In other words, if you're planning to come in and say, I'm now voting the fifth. I don't mean to say you don't need to go shoot a four hour window, right? I mean, that's that assumes that everyone is negotiating in good faith. And there's nothing about the way. The Trump administration has worked at tells me that they respect this process or think that it's happening in good faith. And so you see the president coming out today saying this is all unfair that sets up a pretext for not being participatory in ways that are actually going to be effective. What do you think? Well, I personally am very excited about the testimony. But that's wearing legal lens. I actually agree with the constitutional crisis point, we have twenty investigations that this administration is actually obstructing in congress. I think part of what's happening here is that we're talking about the Senate Intel committee and Senator Burr who's actually one of the people who had a back channel to the Trump administration. Basically, letting them know who the FBI was looking at. I think the issue for Donald Trump junior which does raise the question of whether or not he might invoke the fifth at least for part of the testimony. He might there may be categories. He wouldn't invoke it for and categories. He would he has made a statement to congress that he did not have a wear -ness of other foreign governments trying to support the campaign when he had had a meeting in August twenty sixteen with Saudi Arabia. United Arab Emirates. And then there was the conversation that Eric Eric prince was involved with Israelis the question, then becomes how is that not perchery that particular statement, there are other statements? He's made where you can raise the question of perjury. That one seems a lot more clear than some of the others where he may be able to say well that wasn't an exact lie. It was just a sort lie. Right. So I think that's a real issue for him. And what do you think is going on with with this committee? I mean, Democrats have blasted the Republicans for a range of cooperation or worse with as you say the targets the investigation. The Miller report clearly decided to nail so to speak to nail Burford that. And yet this is a situation where they're putting heat on the president's family, and the what we just saw the clip show to the president showed. He looked a little out of the loop about what the message was or whether this was going to get solved today. Nothing new there. But does this. What is your theory for why on this thing of all things? The Republicans are going hard. Why don't know that all the Republicans are going? Senator byrd. And I think one of the things we've seen is on one hand he has been a party foot soldier in terms of the back channel. But on the other hand, he also clearly did something Devin known as did not do which is try to adhere to some of the norms of congress and some of the boundaries around credibility of congress being able to do, and I think you make an important point. Which is I'm not saying, let's bake bake them a whole tray, cookies, sure. But but maybe half a cookie in other words has got to be. So if we're all dealing with the factor got to be some no, whatever the motivations may be because I myself have been a little confused about where the Senate committee is on all of this. But there's gotta be some notation here that maybe just for their own institutional reasons, they were so frustrated account, according to New York Times and elsewhere was that they were so frustrated with Don, Don, jR, double-talking then that eventually they said, okay. The heck with it. That may not be the great. Reason for constitutional oversight. But it is a reason, and it's a good one in the context of a congress that has that where you have a partisan fight about whether or not congress is going to protect its constitutional power. And it that should matter to both parties. I think the reason that I'm so skeptical is that part of what the Trump administration has done is lowered the bar on what we think needs to be celebrated or marked and significant accomplish. And so I'm just not going to celebrate them for doing what they're supposed to do which is to comply with subpoenas to keep your word to show up and be accountable transparency in our government is a hallmark of what makes a democracy work. And when you have an administration who is using its attorneys and using its party power in one branch of congress to subvert this entire process. When we know that they are real concerns about the integrity of our elections about the integrity of how the Trump administration has proceeded with regard to Russia when we. Trump flirting with dictators in meetings all week for the last several days and essentially thumbing his nose at the process, and and at American values, then I'm not going to celebrate them. But certainly, yes, we should consider it a feather in the cap of congress that they got Don jR, to do the right dumb almost hearing like a parenting level view of constitutional oversight here that you're like you're supposed to do your chores. So you have to do more than that in this household. Let me bring in a member of that body. Both of you stay with me. But a Texas congressman dog it is on the powerful ways and means committee, which is a big part of this battle. It was in court today on getting Trump's tax returns. That's the auditing side of this. There's more than one avenue a good evening to use. They're good to be with you. Ari? How do you grade? What's happening on the Senate side? How important is it that there was this accommodation reached it would seem that Don, jR, has partially folded, and does that have anything to do with what your body is is trying to do to get Dom again to come take a seat and tell the truth. I think it does as you indicated. Avoiding refusing. A congressional subpoena is a very serious matter. If congress cannot enforce its subpoenas and do its job of oversight. Then we really do have a runaway president that jeopardizes threatens our democracy and moves toward tyranny what we're doing on the tax returns is to enforce a law that is explicit. That uses the word shell that. This administration has ignored the President Trump seems to be on a total obstruction program. No, one talks. No, one delivers documents we have to move forward to enforce those subpoenas and sure accountability of which this administration has had none. And it recognizes that it's Republican neighbors here in congress. There is nothing that President Trump can do or say that will cause them to break their silence unless it's Pat him on the back so job to assure that accountability. Thank you laid out. Very well, so Kong's when I wanna push you a little bit not really in disagreement. But in in teasing out, a certain point, let's stipulate as lawyers like to do that. Obviously, Mr. Mcgann has an obligation to comply with subpoenas. He's a White House counsel. He knows that. And so for that reason, he should come testify. But having said that what do you say to the argument that that's not really the biggest priority for congress? If the bulk of what Mr. Mcgann has said in a separate valid proceeding under oath to Mr. Muller has been laid out. And it's now time for the congress to decide what if anything to do about it rather than what what some have called a redo. I wanna give you the opportunity to to address that night. Well, I think we do need to hear firsthand from him from Bob Muller. We need these tax returns to speak for themselves about Trump's background. We need that rather than just a version of that as reported by bar. And now, we have more. Of the mullahs report of not all of it. So to get so on that with the taxes. Of course, we don't have. So that's a totally different. But what do you think you might learn that you might learn from Mr. Mcgann, that's not in the Miller report since you say, you might I think that we would hear Americans would hear if he testifies candidly that he was urged to engage in obstruction directly by President Trump. And I think hearing that in his words on national television is much more powerful than just reading it. In a report we need to know about that. And to understand the full reach of obstruction and destruction of our democracy. That's heard here. Could you speak to the congressman's point? I mean, part of what he's saying is. Yeah. Witnesses on the stand. Make a big difference. Look when we have had an attorney general that has woven a narrative around a report that is not consistent with the word of the report. When so many Americans have not read the report what we need is for folks to pay attention to what it actually said not the headlines that were driven by essentially, a spin. And I think what important about with the congressman is saying in this case is that what Robert Muller essentially says, and it's very clear and one of the footnotes in the report is this is Congress's responsibility. This is not a criminal proceeding the question here, and he doesn't use this language. Exactly. But legally this is the same messages. It's the constitutional purview of congress to decide whether or not this president has done something that such an abuse of authority abuse of power that Khan. Agra should take constitutional action that is not a criminal proceeding. That is a constitutional preceding that only congress can make which means congress has to go through the process. Congressman brittany. And my thanks to each of you, congressman appreciate you to comment on the beat tonight coming up with a lot more than the show Bill bar ordering this new review of how the Russia probe began saying, it's what Trump wanted also an exclusive breakdown of key moments in the middle of action case, I have a fact check for Corey Lou in doubt sqi later police make an important revelation about the chokehold death of Eric garner tragedy that made quote, I can read something of a national movement. And then we have more later in the hour about what it means. Now that Mr. Trump junior will indeed testify Ari Melber, you're watching the beat on MSNBC. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSNBC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. The report revealed incriminating evidence against Donald Trump that he not only tried to thwart the probe into his own campaign activities, but also sought separate probes into his perceived political opponents from Clinton to Comi so news coming out of the department run by Trump's hand, new handpick new attorney general does merits skepticism tonight. And I want you to know about it. Bill bar is apparently overseeing another review into the Muller pro itself, this one by a veteran federal prosecutor, John Durham who's handled sensitive reviews of other conduct by government officials like allege misconduct and the treatment of detainees. Now. Many legal experts say that Durham is on the level. But that doesn't mean that Trump's hopes for his assignment or on the level. President has obviously repeatedly said that there should be goals for the J that are widely understood to be illegal any effort to investigate the investigators as he's called for for vengeful purposes, would not be proper which adds to all the. Suspicion today. Trump falsely claimed he did not ask for this. No, I didn't ask them to do. It was the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the people of this country. And you know, what I am. So proud of our attorney general that he is looking into it. I think it's great. I did not know about it. Honestly answer could be less suspicious. But the president's statements can be put aside, and we still have the fact that bars new review of molar is odd because there were already two that were in effect one about surveillance and the other done by the DOJ's internal watchdog reviewing this case. Just like it reviewed the Clinton case I want to get into it. Now with David corn Jones Washington bureau chief he was one of the first reporters to ever write about how the Russia probe began. This was a week before the two thousand sixteen election, we should note both as a matter of expertise and as a better full disclosure. You've also been cited as one of the sources in some of the surveillance material that the government found to practice. What is believed to be lawful. Surveillance a good evening. Certainly, actually, I I wasn't cited as the source wasn't as go ahead. Explain no, I well depends on how much time you have. I mean, they'd cited the steel document that the memos in those warrants while noting that there was reason to be suspicious of their origins. But that was not my story was the steel memo's themselves to steal memo's themselves, which you wrote about which I wrote about since I brought it up. Let's get it clear you're saying that the actual material submitted to the foreign surveillance court did not cite David court. Right. It was done application happen before my story came out, but you were close to it. I was close to and that's I think about or of interest because you've been all over this. So I wonder if you could respond to just the basic idea that on the one hand, no one saying that Durham miss out here believed to be, you know, right wing or left wing nut of any kind. And yet this seems close to what what Hannity and Trump of an asking for. Well, it's exactly what they've been asking for for years. Now, we've had Trump and this Katari of conservative conspiracy theorists around him champing in who've said the issue isn't that Russia attacked the issue isn't that the Trump campaign denied the Russian attack and sent signals to Russia by meeting with Russian emissaries that we don't mind if you interesting. Oh, no, no, no. That's not the issue. The issue is how did this all begin? How did this investigate? And then all comes back to this notion that somehow there was the deep state conspiracy early on in the campaign when no one thought Trump would even win to deny Trump the presidency. And if this deep state conspiracy was so important than what was none of this leaked before the election. I mean, there's a lot of logical inconsistencies here. But what the the bottom line is is that whether it's Hannity or the Republicans in congress or the president and the White House themself. They don't want us to focus on the Russian attack. And how Trump basically. Helped it by claiming that the attack wasn't happening and Russia US finishing. What do you think bar is doing here? Do you think he is kicking the can down the road to say, okay? He ordered another thing or do you? Do you have reason to believe or or concern that this could be a mechanism to as discussed investigating? Investigators do basically create backlash to them doing their jobs in a probe that is you and I have noted before seem to work because it caught a lot of felonies. I think it's all the above. I think this is part of the distraction that we saw bar go along with it comes from the president. But he went along with it when he said there was no collusion. And there was no obstruction that we spin and falsely said that Trump cooperated fully with molar, which we know is not true. So he kept creating these obstruct these distractions, and I think this is yet another one. So even though the report comes out the mole report that shows the president misled the public about the Russian attack and sort of. Benefit from it and lied about his dealings with Russia while he's trying to negotiate a deal. All these tremendous scandals within scandals. He's out there saying no we need to look at the investigators. And what it does do as you alluded to there. Ari is that it creates a chilling affect for the FBI. Would you want to open an investigation? Trump a new one related to Trump or anyone on the Republican side right now. Again, become investigated yourself. That's important point that you're saying that even if this doesn't ultimately go anywhere and Durham's folks, and the DOJ are quick to say, it's it's not necessarily even a criminal inquiry at this juncture eight already sets vibe of hey, there are people who are prosecutors. They have a lot of power who are who are standing around saying. Hey, we're gonna look at anyone who gets too close to this because you know, it could be misconduct. So it's sort of it's sort of shifts it, it would be it would be interesting. If that was a way civil liberties operated throughout the country, you know, if if you had this and every police department in the country, which my point being you, don't you take a listen last night, Sean Hannity on his view of all this take a look. This is huge news. A colossal step forward for equal Justice and equal application under our laws. It's what we have been telling you is big part of what is coming. Now. If you're counting. This is. Now, the third investigation into the deep state taking place in bars DOJ. David. Well, what we're not up to seventeen Benghazi investigations yet. And they're, you know, everybody involved in this even a few responsible members on the Senate side Republicans at least at one point said, there was a reason to investigate the connections Trump campaign interactions and Russians after they got information from George popadopoulos who's been a guest here saying that the Russians told him they had dirt on Hillary Clinton this set off or Lomba the general counsel at the time at the FBI James Baker recently has come out and said we were concerned about Russia. We do this. This is what the what do you say? What do you say as a final thought to folks who are watching this? And they're saying well, David makes good points. Hannity seems to be cheering this on. There was a sustained effort by Donald Trump during the Miller probe to get the DOJ to a place he wanted and it looks according to Hannity much closer to that. What do you say to people? Who are despondent about that? Don't take your the big picture, which is what happened in twenty sixteen in Trump's aiding and abetting of it. And yes, everything should be investigated. There is an inquiry now, I would wait to see what that says. But the idea that this is the bigger story. This is the deep state is attacking Trump in July twenty sixteen at some point. We need to have a reality based debate in this country. And you don't get that by listening to Sean Hannity or unfortunately, the president. And now, even the attorney general David, you always you always tend to get inciteful and here at the end, I feel like you're taking us to an emotional place. Which is you can't have closure without truth. Well, I don't think this country has fully come to terms with what happened in two thousand sixteen and one reason is that Donald Trump and the people around him and his defenders on FOX. Don't want us to David corn getting your views and your insights. Thank you, sir. Thank you are up ahead. We have a lot in the show as I mentioned an important story about the Eric garner video that sparked a national movement. There is a trial revelation. We want you to know about the I inside the mullahs report how Donald Trump was plotting with a former aide to undercut the probe and a fact check he needs to hear when I'm back in thirty. In other news tonight House Democrats bearing down on whether team Trump tried to obstruct congressional probe which echoes some of the pattern of alleged obstruction outlined in. The Mola report itself are Democrats who say the report already proves enough crime to begin impeachment hearings. Senator warn takes that view, others say the next step is for congress to hear directly from sources for the damning stories in the mullahs report. Hence this escalating fight over whether Don Mcgann will testify the mullahs report cites Trump's dealings with his White House team, including Mcgann, Bannon and Priebus and Trump proved canny though about reaching beyond those federal employees who had many of their own reasons to avoid joining in a potential criminal conspiracy. So tonight, I want to dig into the facts that show actually how far Donald Trump would go because when some of those aides refuse to carry out his bidding Trump turn to someone off the government payroll entirely, his former and first campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski. So this takes you all the way back to after Don Mcgann famously refused to fire Bob Muller, despite the president's orders in June two thousand seventeen may have saved the Trump presidency. The mole report reveals that after that Trump didn't stop he didn't let up he instead turned to Lou in TAOs gray was out of government. Asking him to deliver. A message to sessions to press him into his speech to declare Trump's shouldn't have a special prosecutor and that sessions would have to then quote limit his jurisdiction, and that's a big ask TAOs ski failed to meet up with sessions. And then Trump pressed him in another private meeting month later saying of sessions did not meet with him. I wanted to ask you should tell sessions. He was fired. What I mean, you don't have to be an expert at this to know that cabinet members are not supervised let alone fired by random people outside the government that may know, the president Lewin doubts. He knew that too. He did look into trying to deliver Trump's message. But he worried about getting caught Muller writing Lindau ski wanted to pass the message to sessions, but in person rather than over the phone and not at the DOJ because he did not want a public log of his visit meaning he was feeling guilty. Now Muller found that Lewandowski never actually did send the message, partly because of what I just read you those efforts to try to hide it made it harder to pull off the plot. And like so much in this report this incriminating material it's not from Trump critics or random outsiders, the footnotes for these stories are mostly the Dow sqi a little bit of John Kelly and some other evidence. So these are the receipts of that. Plot. Now, this looks like bad news for mister lebowski who's actually appeared on this show several times, in fact in one appearance, this February I specifically pressed him to answer if President Trump asked him to ever get involved with sessions or the DOJ pro. This is important don't ever remember the president ever asking me to get involved with Jeff Sessions or the department of Justice in any way. So. Ever any way, shape or form blanket denial? That's obviously, not true Lewin. Ask he did remember it because penalty of perjury. He remembered Trump asking him to get involved with sessions, and so much detail that it was just ten months earlier that he was telling me all about saloon TAOs ski was not only making a false statement in our interview he was making it knowing that he'd already told me the opposite. So they were good odds that that testimony about all of this about what Trump asked him to do with sessions would later come out. So I ask you tonight. Why would he catch himself a falsehood? Like that. I'm asking you. Because when we asked mister lebowski to explain himself. Or come back on the show. He has not responded. So let me go ahead and go forward one clue here comes in. How Donald Trump learns about what his aides say about him to molar because the New York Times report that the president hasn't even read the Miller report himself and that witnesses. No his view of them. Actually just depends on how they and their Miller testimonies ultimately portrayed on TV. According to douse knows Trump's have it's better than most from the star. He may have calculated that he could stay on Donald Trump's good side by deceiving. His old boss on TV while telling the truth about his old boss is efforts to the probe to Muller. So just think about that for a minute. The man who ran Donald Trump's presidential campaign may have concluded that he actually owes. Bob Muller the truth but can get away with deceiving. His own old boss, Donald Trump that he says he's still loyal to and Lewandowski's may figure he'll continue to get away with it as long as this part of the mole report is basically never covered on television. Which means I guess Mr. Lewinsky is hoping the president is not watching this broadcast and never hears about it. If the president were to hear about it, it appears unless mister lebowski calls us back and gives us more context. It would appear president will learn that some of his most senior aides who he believes to still be loyal are not. Willing to tell him the truth, and he'd know that they appear to continue to use television not to promote him, although they do that. But to manipulate him that seems like the kind of thing the president might have an interest in knowing now still ahead tonight. Don, jR, did cave to congress on a subpoena? There. What will it mean when he actually testifies, and why is he backtracking, we have an expert on that? And then major revelations about what is deemed an illegal choke. Hold from inside the NYPD. This is a reckoning five years after Mr. Eric Garner's death. You're looking at some of that tragic video we have someone who was involved in all of this here tonight. We have new developments. I in a story that involves on that happened a long time ago. But what I'm about to show? You is important and the delays may be a tactic to get you not to pay attention to it as mentioned earlier in the show. I'm talking about the NYPD officer who killed Eric garner. And instant that occurred nearly five years ago officer Daniel Pantaleo was accused of using a banned show called in this video. You may recall and having to reconnect reckon with disciplinary trial now after Garner's death. A grand jury declined to indict on this and initially there were no internal charges. In fact, the officer is still getting paid no New York civilian complaint review board is reviewing the case, and they have testimony from internal NYPD investigators that revealed they actually determined that that officer was using a forbidden chokehold on garner, and they recommended disciplinary charges against him for all of this all the way back in two thousand fifteen. Eric garner was forty three year old married. Father of six he got into this struggle with these officers as you can see here over a dispute about whether he was selling loose cigarettes in New York. What started as you see here where they conversation turned into what many people characterize as a classic example of police brutality. This is also. Among this is as I told you the last at least. Hello. He's such a mobile game. What did you mean? Garner was ultimately heard saying, I can't breathe eleven times. You may recall that phrase or parts of this video because it became something of a rallying cry for many activists raising awareness about police brutality and giving these new revelations today Garner's, mother's speaking out. This meant five years five years, they should have been gone Pantaleo along with all the other officers who killed my son. He must be we will not accept any other option. I'm doing by Maya Wiley, who is of course, an attorney MSNBC legal analyst. But also was in charge of the New York City civilian complaint review board in two thousand sixteen seventeen that is the oversight agency dealing with the case, thanks for coming back to discuss this. I know it's something you've worked on walk us through what's important about this revelation. Well, we have to deal in the society with this question about how do you police the police and really there are a couple of different mechanisms available to us one, which is the long standing one is the internal affairs bureau, which is are the police inside the police department who received complaints and run investigations on officers who may have done wrong. What we have in New York City is one of the oldest civilian complaint review boards where citizens or witnesses. You don't even have to be a victim yourself can file a complaint and say a police officer did wrong, and it falls within your jurisdiction. We can investigate. The reason this is so important is because it was the ability of having separate civilian oversight that enabled this case to finally come to trial this week. And you're saying that is in contrast to what happened with the initial DA prosecution or review a walk us through. What you mean by that? Right. So in Staten Island, you had I mean, of course, the question of whether or not a crime was committed by Pantaleo officer Pantaleo and the grand jury returned no indictment. So then the question becomes does the police department keep Pantaleo or discipline him which can include termination at at its most serious. And of course, the question, then becomes who provides oversight one of the things that people tend to get confused about is as a matter of practice, not requirement but of practice if there's a possibility of a prosecution, we usually wait for that process because we don't want to do anything that might interfere with it. And so in this case, we had the department of Justice as at the federal level examining, whether it was a criminal civil rights violation after the stat nine Staten Island district attorney which isn't even higher bar because it gets. Into whether there was a licit motive a lot of law enforcement experts look at that tape, and before you get to questions of motive, it looks like improper policing that escalated and then choked someone to death. It was on our I think you can take it a step further because I was counsel to the mayor and city hall when this happened and attended the press conference with the mayor, and then Commissioner Bill Bratton who acknowledged in that press conference that it appeared to be a violation of the department's policy, which forbids choke chokehold unless there's some exceptional circumstances. We have a video that does not seem to identify any exceptional circumstances. You could go one step further. I don't know if you notice it in the video, it's it was an important fact in the trial this week is there are sirens in the background because backup was coming. So the fact that officer Pantaleo goes to a choke hold. With a civilian whose hands are up who's backing away. In other words, not posing any physical threat to the officer. There's no allegation he was armed backup is coming. And then he physically jumps. And wraps his arm around until final question, given how much work you've done on this. What do you say to the concern that people have that something that is this agree? Gis on tape years later still has the officer working to say nothing of any criminal accountability. Well, let me say something more broadly than this particular case because I think one of things it's tragic is a Pew Research study found that police officers themselves only twenty seven percent said that there was appropriate action taken for for police wrongdoing. And that's the broad variety of wrongdoing. But I think if we're hearing that police officers themselves throughout the country are acknowledging that there's not sufficient accountability for misconduct that something that we have to pay attention to my Wiley, thank you for for your work on this. And as always your expertise. Thank you. We have a lot more in the show, and we will be right back. Breaking news. Donald Trump junior has caved to congress and will actually testify before a Republican controlled Senate committee, the intelligence committee the terms tonight as they are being reported. Look like a private interview limited time to about four hours in a scope of discussion of no more than six topics. But it is a breakthrough clearly after a lot of wrangling over whether the Senate would make him testify. Former federal prosecutor Jean Rossi is here. What does it say to you that after a very high profile debate, it appears Trump junior has folded, I think he's fouled his lawyer's advice. And I think cooler heads have prevailed. I think it was a wise decision because he was facing contempt possibly a fine. And maybe incarceration, it was a good decision on his part interesting that you put it that way. And it may be the best legal avenue. He has we do have some idea given the Miller. A report of what he would be concerned about to pick. The the Mozambique's example, you know, you can obstruct even without an underlying crime, and you can lie to the authorities for all kinds of reasons here, we see in his Senate testimony that we have did you inform your father about the Trump Tower meeting or the underlying offer prior to the meaning no I did not now in the Miller report in the treatment of conspiracy volume one we see Cohen recalling being in Trump's office in June and Trump junior told his father a meeting to obtain adverse information about Clinton was going forward your analysis. Well, here's the thing are when I was a prosecutor for almost thirty years, and I had a witness who testified under oath like Donald Trump junior has and then I called them back after many hours of testimony. And after providing documents, there's one major reason why did that I found a document or documents that strongly suggest that what he said under. Growth was not accurate possibly juries. And I gotta say this probably the only two politicians in Washington DC who are actually working together and across the aisle are Senator Mark Warner and Senator Richard Burr, and they didn't just issue this subpoena Liley, they discussed it in came to an agreement that we need Donald Trump junior back because there's information he provided to that committee under oath that is probably opposed and contrary to documents that show that he may not have told the truth. What about the what I just showed? You does that look perjure to you or you need more context to tell that one is probably not a slam dunk perjury charge based on what you showed me. But it does show a an intent possibly to deceive to obstruct. And to off you skate similar to what? We've been here in the last three expi- by certain individuals in the department of Justice. Yeah. Well, gene, Rasi you make some great points there. And it is as you say, very interesting to see this on a bipartisan basis, it also really shreds a lot of the sort of the legal nihilism. We'd been hearing a folk saying, well, maybe subpoenas no matter anymore, or maybe they'll Trump family should just say, no because they they wanna leave it as as what Muller found and nothing else. And of course, that's not how congressional subpoenas work. So that alone makes interesting we'll see what comes out of his actual testimony Jean. Thanks again for your now. Thank you. Thank you very much. When we come back. You will never believe who is explaining why Donald Trump's approach to corporate America is exactly backwards. We'll show you when we come back. It was our honor to have six members of the legendary Wu Tang clan on the beat and we went a lot deeper than just what was able to be aired on the show. In fact, I did a separate thirty minute conversation on politics therapy, race kung FU chess and a whole. Lot more. This is from that long to longer conversation. Here's a Rizza talking Trump. But if America is a corporation in America, that's the big company. The Donald Trump is a good guy. Yeah. We got the parliament's. We got everything that divide every body and Senate about, and that's the hustle. That's the hustle. I don't care who was the president. Moc community has not changed much. But they still violence is still drugs is still poverty. So so for us. We gotta do what we gotta do on our own. You know, I may was went on to tell me about why he backed Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen and was talking about that all the way up through election day, the entire digital exclusive with Tang clan is out today. So this is the first time we've put it out. You can find it on YouTube or on Facebook at the beat with Ari or Google YouTube, Google YouTube or any any search engine you like put in Wutang in the beaten, you'll find the whole interview thirty minutes that does it for us. Yoyo Chris Simms here. Download my podcasts. Chris Simms unbuttoned. We talk about everything football. It's available on all platforms that you get your podcast. And if you wanna look at us and check it out and person, YouTube dot com slash NBC sports.
Full Episode: Monday, August 19, 2019
"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. The officer fire the n._y._p._d. Commissioner before the cameras today firing the officer in the eric garner case what the commissioner said acknowledging officers will be angry with him but he explains his decision also tonight. Three separate cases police say suspects threatening mass shootings among them. A suspect who boasted he wanted to kill a hundred people tonight another case the self-proclaimed white nationalist in court lord accused of a chilling threat to shoot a jewish community center. The stunning arsenal discovered bracing for storms in the east at this hour. The sixty mph winds slamming the beach and several children injured in a lightning strike possible storms from philly to new york to boston and ginger is standing by the news conference just moments ago the research right off the coast for two missing firefighters but authorities are now saying president trump and fears of a possible recession to president declaring american consumers are rich the dump truck how control slamming into cars and into a restaurant at forty miles per hour multiple injuries tonight new coming on jeffrey epstein the will sign just two days before he took his life who is the beneficiary and the american tour seriously injured in this massive explosion at america america strong on a monday night to literally star batter up and she is impressive. This is a._b._c. news tonight with david muir great to start another week with all of you at home and we have several developing stories. We begin tonight with a major headline here in new york city five years after the death of eric garner after that chokehold the n._y._p._d. Officer blamed has now been fired the n._y._p._d. Commissioner announcing his decision today before the cameras. He said he knows the police. Force will be mad at him. His his decision comes after an n._y._p._d. Judge ruled officer daniel pantaleo us quote a prohibited chokehold when gonna refused to comply with police instructions the judge had also also said pantaleo had been quote untruthful and self serving during the investigation eric garner's family and the police union both responding tonight two very different responses and a._b._c.'s eva pilgrim leads us off to five years after the chokehold death of eric garner new york street that officer the buyer is clear that daniel pantaleo can no longer effectively service in new york city police officer the police commissioner making the final call after after an administrative judge recommended daniel pantaleo be terminated despite his denials he used a band choke hold. The judge found his actions reckless during garner's arrest for for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes. The new triggered a fatal asthma attack garner's final words. I i can't breathe uttered. Eleven times became a battle cry for the black lives matter movement. Today is a day of reckoning but can also be a day reconciliation. I've been a cop a long time. If i was still a cop i'd probably be mad at me. I would not looking out for us plan but an outrage police union accusing the commissioner of bowing to anti police extremists the leadership has abandoned ship hip and left our police officers on the street alone. Today's decision caps painful journey for the garner family who pushed for years ears but never saw state criminal or federal civil rights charges for that officer. I should be here with my father but pencil. L. took that away from me seventeen. Yes he's fired but the fight is over. We will continue to fight. Even pilgrim with us live tonight from police headquarters here in manhattan and even the garner family. They're vowing the fight on. They want action on the federal level. Now that's right david. The family says they want and eric garner. Making police choke holds illegal. Meanwhile officer pantaleo has filed an appeal. He's hoping to get his job back. David eva pilgrim leading us off even thank you out of the troubling news investigators across this country are looking into three separate mass shooting threats in three states authorities arresting suspects in connecticut florida and ohio police say a self-proclaimed light nationalist showing pulling himself firing an assault weapon threat to attack a jewish community center in youngstown and one of the suspects boasting. He'd like to kill a hundred people and tonight the f._b._i. Warning about the the rise of domestic terror threats after el paso in dayton and here's alix perez the ohio man who police say threaten to shoot up this jewish community center in youngstown own smiling as he pleaded not guilty in court today authorities rated twenty year old james riordan's home friday saying they found an arsenal of semiautomatic weapons and bulletproof armor reared authorities say posted this disturbing video on his instagram firing a semiautomatic weapon sirens blaring ring with a caption reading police identified the youngstown jewish family community shooter as local white nationalist that kicked off an intense investigation very rapidly evolving investigation because of the way the world is in investigators say reardon also attended the deadly charlottesville 2017 unite the right rally and was interviewed by national geographic. I want a homeland for white. People reared in just one in a string of arrests of following the massacres in el paso and dayton. The police say have thwarted possible tragedies this dramatic police body camera video weapons. We need to know about capturing the moment florida officials arrested rested tristen wicks in daytona beach after he allegedly taxes his girlfriend his intention to shoot as many people as he could writing a good one hundred kills it would be nice and in connecticut twenty two year old brandon wag shawl allegedly seen in this instagram photo wearing body armor and a helmet police discovering facebook posts. They say showed his interest in committing mass shooting he purportedly purchase part online to build his own rifle police recovering firearms and ammunition initiative from his home tonight. They are all behind bars. All this as demonstrators in all fifty states took to the streets this weekend calling for tougher for gun laws and universal background checks from president trump mixed signals in the days after the mass shootings saying this we the app tremendous support for really commonsense sensible important alex perez live in chicago tonight and alexander after el paso indeed and federal authorities warning potential copycats and tonight that ohio man we know was in court a self-proclaimed white nationalist and the judge now setting bond judge david judge setting two hundred and fifty thousand dollar bond and also <hes> saying if he posted that bail he must be held on house arrest a banned from social media and banned from any jewish house of worship david alex perez thank you out of the potential for severe thunderstorms at this hour heavy rain and strong winds expected from philly possibly up through new york and boston look at this tonight the same system unleashing torrential rain and wind gusts of fifty six miles per hour these pictures coming in from raleigh nine people swim club were injured when lightning brought down a tree. That's in bucks county pennsylvania a._b._c.'s gio benitez with images coming in now tonight tonight. Nearly sixty mph winds sending umbrellas somersaulting in delaware as severe storms strike east outside philadelphia nine the people hurt including seven kids after authorities say lightning struck a tree sunday causing it to fall on this tent witnesses in there told me that there was awakening strikes immediately before the tree was damaged and that there was quarter size hailstones just a home security camera capturing winds toppling this tree in charlotte saturday and and north of wichita winds gusting sixty five miles per hour in the area causing more than one hundred forty train cars to derail extreme summer heat now spreading throughout throughout the east the heat claiming the life of a twenty two month old girl in camden county new jersey friday. She died after being left in a hot car and david. We've already seen some strong winds across the northeast tonight and for much of this week we are expecting some more damaging storms david di gio thank you. Let's get right back to chief meteorologist ginger zee. He's tracking all hey hey david. We've already seen a seventy five mile per hour wind gusts in ocean county new jersey a few more are those on the math yet tonight including severe thunderstorm watches from northeastern connecticut right through rhode island into massachusetts but this line will be out of here in a couple of hours. We need turn our attention engine to the storm that is going to go out and move through iowa tomorrow morning so watch the clock. They're find yourself say in peoria when it comes through around noon then indiana kentucky lucky bhai five p._m. That's twelve straight hours where you could see seventy plus mph winds anywhere from nebraska over to kentucky. Keep an eye especially in indiana and illinois tomorrow and remember if you're looking for a cool down. That's the front. That's going to bring it even here by the end of the week day but i that severe weather tonight in another round tomorrow ginger thank you there is reporting coming coming in tonight in the search for two firefighters lost at sea off florida for more than three days. Now a thorny is coming before the cameras just moments ago search teams finding some of their equipment. Their families say it's giving them hope victor kendall from florida tonight a sign of hope in the desperate search for two missing boaters off the florida coast now in its third day an offshore anglerfish bag was found about fifty nautical miles east of saint always team brian nick loonies wife stephanie hosting this image of its fishing tackle bag in writing. She believes they throw it overboard to say we are here. Come find us. Coastguard is working in that area right now with with lights and we're gonna. We're moving some boats into that area right now. As we speak mccluney close friend justin walker haven't been heard from since they left on fishing trip friday morning the coast guard releasing this surveillance image of the pair both firefighters here fighters themselves putting their boat into the waters port canaveral officials say this is still a rescue mission several dozen votes in more than one hundred people searching thousands of square miles by air and sea spanning from cape canaveral to brunswick georgia mistake. We have a lot of people out there. Searching the search will continue you through the night and if necessary ramp up tomorrow authorities calling i many boats as possible and volunteers. They're confident they'll find them saying it's just a matter of time david heroin thinking about those two families tonight victor thank you we move on now to president trump back at the white house tonight and dismissing any talk of looming recession here in the u._s. President downplaying key economic warning signs saying quote consumers are rich and quote loaded up with money. President trump knows full well. The economy will be a major factor in two thousand twenty and the potential opponent men who came out early saying the warning lights are flashing a._b._c.'s phillips at the white house tonight tonight with markets gripped by recession fears the white house trying to hammer home one message the fact is the fundamentals of our economy are very strong but a new survey out today shows three out of four economists missed expect the country will slide into recession by two thousand twenty one but despite that sobering warning president trump insisting americans eric are rich and spending cash. You gotta think we're having a recession. We're doing tremendously well our consumers. The rich i gave a tremendous tax cut and they're loaded ended up with money but on twitter the president is already playing the blame game denouncing his handpicked chairman of the federal reserve for horrendous lack of vision even accusing democrats of trying to will the economy to be bad for the purposes of the two thousand twenty election still economists say the president's president's trade war with china has a lot to do with the instability and since july his opponent senator elizabeth warren predicting an economic downturn turn around the bend. There are a lot of danger signs right now in this economy. I'm very worried we still have time to pull back but donald trump just doesn't seem to understand dan how and kyrie phillips live at the white house and cure you mentioned elizabeth warren there in your piece and she's making news tonight on our own and apology and the campaign trail absolutely she was at a forum. I'm david appealing to native americans in iowa. You'll remember that senator warren received a lot of criticism for releasing results of that dna tests to prove her. Native american can ancestry well today. She said she is quote. Sorry for the harm she has caused and she also detailed a series of proposals to tackle key issues as for native americans making a direct appeal for their votes david phillips tonight kiro thank you there is news tonight about planned parenthood the organization today rejecting millions of dollars was in federal funding by refusing to comply with the trump administration gag rule on abortion family planning clinics receiving federal money are barred from referring women to abortion doctors or telling them where they can get an abortion. There is new reporting tonight involving jeffrey epstein a._b._c. news confirming epstein filed a will in the u._s. Virgin islands just two days before taking his life. Who is the beneficiary. Here's a._b._c.'s linsey davis tonight tonight a._b._c. News has learned just two days before his suicide. Jeffrey epstein gene signed his will while the money is earmarked to go to his trust there no details on the beneficiaries his brother mark epsteins only known surviving relative this this as a vigorous defence of prince andrew is now underway buckingham palace releasing a new statement after video surfaced purportedly showing the prince at epstein's manhattan mansion mentioned in two thousand ten saying the duke of york has been appalled by the recent reports of jeffrey epstein's alleged crimes his royal highness deplores the exploitation of any human being thing and the suggestion he would condone participate in or encourage any such behavior is apparent this video which has not been independently verified by a._b._c. news appears to show the prince in the doorway waving to an unknown young woman at that time epstein had already served time as a sex offender virginia goo frei claimed in a deposition she was directed to have sex with the prince and other powerful men allegations they all deny before you know it on being lent out to politicians and academics academics and people that royalty lindsay davis has been covering this for weeks now and she's with us again tonight. You've learned more about jeffrey. Epstein's will at the salary. We've known tone for some time that he's estimated to be worth more than half a billion dollars. We now know that that will <hes> was filed in the u._s. Virgin islands of course where he owned his own island and he intended handed for two of his longtime attorneys to serve as executors stabilized just two days before he took his life all right lindsey thank you in other news amid the jeffrey epstein case and other major headline line tonight hugh her which the acting director of the bureau of prisons has been removed from his position attorney general william bar reassigning him after epstein suicide and amid allegations the two guards doctored logbooks here in new york claiming they had checked on epstein before his death and first russia using social media now amid protests in hong kong facebook facebook twitter accusing china of spreading disinformation using social media target pro democracy demonstrators. They're both companies say they've now taken down. Hundreds of accounts linked to china claiming protesters were violent and comparing them to isis those protests now entering their week. They're still much more ahead on world news tonight this monday. The dump truck out of control the picture slamming into cars restaurant at forty miles per hour multiple injuries at the scene also developing tonight to vacation tragedy in american doctor traveling leveling with his fiance dies in a fall while trying to take a photo and these images tonight the massive gas explosion and american tourist seriously injured this lot more news ahead here monday night. I'll be right back tied down at work. Don't let your search for software kill though some revives pitch the office over time and find options for your business in minutes with capterra read hundreds and thousands of reviews and make finding the right software breeze at capterra tara dot com slash tonight with over nine hundred fifty thousand reviews of products firm real software users discover everything that you need to make an informed decision session with over seven hundred specific categories of software capterra makes it easy to discover the right solution fast find more than one option in your search you can use capterra harassed product comparison to see detail side-by-side visit capterra dot com slash tonight for free today define the tools to make an informed software decision addition for your business capterra dot com slash tonight capterra. That's c. A. p. t. e. r. r. a. dot com slash tonight. Capterra software software selection simplified we turn next tonight to the frightening scene playing out in downtown seattle today and out of control dump truck slamming into several cars than into a restaurant several injured and here's a._b._c.'s adrian banker tonight. This entire building in downtown seattle is evacuated as police look into what caused this is out of control dump truck to crash into a building just before nine thirty. We started getting calls eight domfront struggle street on we got there. We started realizing it was much bigger than that. Let's get the cars when you get the car so hard that they're spinning hitting other cars like a tank the the truck on a disastrous trail of destruction sending an s._u._v. flying into a light pole ripping the door off this van finally stopping when it went through the wall of this restaurant restaurant at forty miles an hour. Four people were hurt at least one in serious condition. First thing on my mind was home. I got i got to get out of drunk. Gotta move the dump truck did not slow down witnesses say it appeared the driver was unable to steer and david police say they're looking at possible mechanical failure inside that truck there also so questioning the driver whom witnesses described as distraught after that wild ride david adrian banker tonight thank you to the index of other news tonight in an american teenager ager was badly injured in a massive gas explosion overseas. A loaded fuel truck ignited at a gas station. That's in cambodia authorities. Say at least thirteen people were injured and that included eighteen year old abigail alexander from ohio who was badly burned. A gofundme page has now been set up to help cover medical bills and travel expenses to get her home backyard home tonight. Night ended a frightening moment at a demolition derby indiana look at this. The driver of a school bus involved in the event crashing into a fence separating the crowd from the track right there. It happens just just inches from a toddler in the front row. The child was reportedly treated at the scene for minor injuries and we'll be okay. The drivers okay to and american doctor died while trying take a photograph during a vacation in spain thirty four year old. Dr daniels vich tripped and fell more than eighty feet well hiking on the island of visa with his fiancee a medical resident in miami. He was reportedly preparing start a new job at hospital in boston and that health alert just as children head back to school the c._d._c. tonight. Reporting twenty one new measles cases says last week loan now brings this year's total to more than twelve hundred confirmed cases in thirty states. That's the highest number since ninety two most of them involving people who were not vaccinated vaccinated america strong the little league world series and one more player catching our eye number fifteen mattie fracking but that's not what they call her watch second baseman in number fifteen mattie frankie good hop in a nice job by mattie fracking. He's out at a wave to her team to ups. Mattie is just twelve years old khoon rapids minnesota and she's the only girl playing in this year's little league world series. She can pitch to over the weekend. Bases loaded two outs. The history of the girls the little number fifteen again he's out of play by fracking is often how terrific high five well-deserved betty's he's just the nineteenth girl to ever play the little league world series that it's seventy two years and the first to play in five years ethanol honor <hes> ah i also think it's really cool with your team at the start of the series and what do they call matting mad dog. Hi my name is mattie and everybody calls me mad dog in many the team play against river ridge louisiana tonight and matty's message for all of the girls and boys watching back home keep playing you. Don't let anybody stop you and always your best. Don't mess with mad dog. I see right back here tomorrow until then have a good evening good night. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight.
Into Police Chokeholds
"A warning their descriptions of violence in this episode. July seventeen twenty fourteen almost six years ago now. It probably started off as a pretty normal summer day for Eric Garner. Garner with dressed in a t shirt and Tan. Cargo shorts trying to figure out a good place to eat lunch with his friend. When the police rolled up. His friend began filming. Outside of Staten Island beauty supply store. The COPS accused Garner of selling Lucy's. Single untaxed cigarettes. Anything. I did nothing. Mr The whole time. BE, counter escalated. Officer reached up from behind. Garner who stood at six feet, two inches tall, put his arm around his neck and put him to the ground. GonNa cried out. I can't breathe. Garner said those words eleven times before his death. It became a rallying cry protest. As activists denounced the police killings of black people. Year after year in city after city. And then on Memorial Day of this year, those words echoed once again. George? Floyd said he couldn't breathe more than twenty times pressed under the knee of a Minneapolis police officer. Transcript of the body Cam footage made public just days ago, revealed how the office responded to his, please. One side relax. You're fine, said another. One officer instructed him. Quote deep breath. There are other names and other cities. A twenty thirteen Justice Department survey found that a police departments that serve more than one million people forty three percent allow neck restraint of some kind. There are no national stats telling us how often these holds sanctioned or not end in death. But in the age of cell phone video we now seed. All violent death, all black death at the hands of the people tasked to protect and serve is painful to watch. But watching someone get the air choked out of them. That's haunting. Kept choking me and is kept choking me and he would not let me go and I feel like that I'm just die. I'm sure mainly. And this is into America today. We're telling the story of the police chokehold when it's used Wi- it's use, and whether it has a future in modern American policing. Those. who say it's a necessary tool for officers? If they're wrestling around on the ground and year, she winds up with arm around the person's neck. Because it's now become a life of struggle, the application of that corroded would they ruled justified. Those who argue. It's time for it and. I think that that would be an important symbol. That black lives matter. Robert Branch has seen the videos the Garner's George Floyd. But he really makes it all the way through. When I see videos. Like one second I just cannot video because it reminds me of the situation then. I went through. And I just don't want to think about that. In the spring of two thousand, fifteen, a year after Eric, Garner was killed Robert, had his own running with an officer in San Diego California. He was twenty eight years old, working at the security guard and was on his way to visit the woman he was dating. Got In the car. Start to ahead to her place, so as I'm getting on the freeway. As merging. Over there was a vehicle of frame you that was merging over and you. He got into the Middle Lane and neck seen I. See the view merging over almost hitting my vehicle and it made me go into the dirt gravel. Robert Fears. The situation could be a case of road rage. Saw In just stubborn, Gasden just driving really fast. Nine miles down the Road Robert. Here's a rattling in his trunk. So we decided to pull off the freeway and down a sidestreet. Check it out. As I'm doing that. There's a Ford fusion driving past me. He smiling and that was the same vehicle that almost had a collision in. The car pulls up behind Roberts car and a white middle aged man gets out. He says he's from the San Diego Sheriff's department, but just wearing a white polo shirt. No Gun, no uniform. Something something aside something inside of me. Just kept saying something. Is Not right. Something! Don't feel right. You know he gives out the car saying he's from San Diego Sheriff's department, but you have a mark vehicle. You have no lights in your view. Do you have anything to indicate that you are officer? Even on his hisself, it does indicate anything you. You're filling out your wallet and show me Your Badge that. I could get off on Amazon. You know you don't know who this person is. It could be anybody. Something was telling me that I. Need a record. So I grab my ID and then I grab my phone. You're about to hear Roberts recorded from that day. And then I videotaping and Showing my location. Right now you see this officer right now right now. He does not have the lights on. You touch me. You cannot touch me. Sit Down, calm down. The situation almost immediately escalates. You cannot touch meat. You cannot touch me. You see this. You cannot touch. He grabbing my shirt, turn me around taking my arm placing behind my back and then next. Arm goes around my ned. edged. He started to choke me. And dragging my body from the driver's side to the middle of my vehicle. And that's when I end up passing out. In this moment was started off as Incident on the highway. Now you're you're in the grip of this guy. was there a moment when you actually thought? You know this might be the end for me. I did. I really do. I felt like I was going for like. Maybe like thirty minutes or more I seen like a it was like a bright white light passed out. And then I woke up. And he was standing over me. And I started to panic, and then I tried to get away from him. As I'm trying to do that. He keeps grabbing me and he puts me back into a chokehold. Now. You're listening right now. We end up falling. To the ground. And that's when I thought Dow. My. Last words pretty much was saying to my mom. I love her. And I can hear the sirens in the background coming. and. Allergies hoping for anybody to come. It doesn't really matter. I was just hoping cops go hurry up and get their. Wants to cops got turned around and. Be Back in a handcuffed to me and I was a big relief. For the cops to come and handcuff. He was actually a a relief. Greg because I just didn't know this guy and it. Just I just wanted to. I was tired. I was I was exhausted. And just Aaron Care, who bystander anybody could just come and get this guy off me. I just wanted to get away from him. You know I watched the video of the incident, and there's something at once so violent about it seeing you dragged to the ground, but then he had his composure about him. That was kind of startling. Like he was like. He, he was not carrying was so it will just like. I'm in charge. You're GONNA listen to what I say kind of thing that's that's I feel. Turns out. The man was an officer. A San Diego County. Sheriff's department detective. Robert was hospitalized for injuries sustained in his code and was charged with reckless driving and resisting arrest. Those charges were later dropped and Robert got to walk away. Their plenty of black men who don't. I wouldn't trust the doctor or nurse to perform this procedure much less a cop who is not a trained medical professional. Paul. Butler is a professor at Georgetown. Law School he's a former prosecutor and he literally wrote the book when choke holds. It's called chokehold policing Blackman. Tokenism maneuver in which a person's neck is tightly gripped in a way that restraints breathing. They are two types of air choke compresses the upper airway. It prevents oxygen from reaching the lungs. A blood choke. compresses the arteries, and it prevents blood from reaching the brain. Both are extremely risky procedures that can lead to death if they're done too long or improperly. You die of a tax or of s fixation. Do we have any sense of how routine the cold is used across America? In some jurisdictions, we have some information usually because of court cases in which departments have been required to keep that information often as a result of approving history of race discrimination, and there's no national requirements for the eighteen thousand different police departments in the United States to report when they use force including deadly force in who they use it against, so we know from the data that we have for various cities. That black people African. American people native people are much more likely to be victims of police violence than white people. Think back through time. was there a moment win? This emerged as. Preferred technique by police or a moment when we started to realize that police were using this often. I can't really think of a moment. I think some people may have saw that Radio Raheem Seen In. Do the right thing was. Hyperbole. It was something that movie. And, when I say, some people might have thought that I mean some people might theft. At the end of Spike Lee's nineteen eighty nine film do the right thing and officer use the billy clubs to choke. Radio Raheem Lifting Him off. The ground to camera cuts the writings feet as a twitch in the air. Then go limp. Spike Lee model the death of high profile, nineteen eighty-three police killing of aspiring black artists Michael Stewart in New York City twenty five year old Michael. Stewart was beaten by transit police Stewart died at Bellevue yesterday two weeks after he arrived there in a coma following his arrest for spray painting graffiti a subway station before Stewart. There was another police to a co- case that garnered national attention in the city of Los Angeles. The Supreme Court today heard arguments in a case involving the right of Los Angeles police to choke holes in question is a controversial choke by policemen, basing his arms around a suspects neck and blocking the main artery to the brain. In Nineteen, seventy, six twenty four year old Adolph Lyons was pulled over for a broken tail light, Lyons, who was black with choked into unconsciousness by the LAPD for waking up covered in his own urine and feces. was issued a citation for the tail light and on his way. Lions word lawsuit against the city seeking compensation for his injuries and an injunction that would stop the lapd from using codes except in certain situations to challenge when all the way to the Supreme Court. This cannot be constitutional. He says the police cannot be allowed to operate like this, but in a five to four decision, the court ruled against Adolf lines, saying he could not obtain an injunction unless he could show that he was personally likely to be choked by Los Angeles police officer in the future. Justice Marshall Thurgood Marshall First African American on the Supreme Court. He dissents. And he says that what happened to Mr Lyons was wrong and unconstitutional. Mr Lyons had Tulsa Court that sixteen people had died in custody after the cops put them in a chokehold into twelve of those were African American men. That meant something to justice Marshall it didn't seem to mean anything to the other members of the Supreme Court. Though Sixteen chokehold death, twelve of them black man occurred between nine hundred and seventy, five and nineteen, eighty three the year. The Supreme Court ruled in city of Los Angeles versus lions. A year earlier in nineteen, eighty, two facing pressure to reform LAPD chief Darryl Gates attributed disproportionate black deaths by code physiology. Police, Chief Daryl Gates prompted new charges of racism this week. When he tried to explain why more chokehold victims black gates said, we may be finding that in some blocks when it is applied, the veins or arteries do not open up as fast as they do on normal people. The represents the experience of black men in this country. That the way that police respond to us the way that the society responds to us is with fear. And suspicion. If you WANNA under still why? Our criminal justice process is so messed up. It's all about African American men. The government response the social response to us. Is the reason why. Coming up a California police officer makes the case for why he believes some neck. Restraints are necessary. And will take a look at efforts to reform the practice in the wake of George Fluids killing. Will be right back. We choose to go to the mall and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. I'm Chuck Rosenberg on my podcast. Youth I speak with those who sacrificed for the common good who do things because they are hard this week. Former Under Secretary, of Defense Jim Miller I've worked with people who were committed to doing the right thing for the country who were patriots both military and civilian personnel who are willing to literally put their lives on the line for their country. Join me for season, three of the oath and MSNBC podcast search for the oath wherever you're listening right now and please subscribe new episodes. Everyone's Day. Hey It's Chris as this week on my podcast. Wise is happening. I'll be talking with neuroscientist. Dr Crawl Heart about the insidious ways. Stories of degeneracy drugs and blackness had been inter weaved in the American story, those far more crack in white communities why people always use quite more than black people, but the face of crack was black people, and it was a way for us to dismiss the problems of that group of because we can say if it's crack well. That's their own doing this week I'm. Why is this happening search for? Why is this happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe? Officers are taught from day one in the Kademi that they're going home at the end of their shift. And it sometimes it's had a lasting hypnotic effect. Where they feel okay. I don't care. I'm going home. Eight. Ob Ashi the deputy sheriff in Plumas County California. Are there officers that think that way? That gets the point where they're always on high alert. Yes, he's been an officer from three decades, and at this point is career spends much of his time training and advising law enforcement agencies as a use of force expert. Like, Paul Butler, Eh, draws attention to the difference between the kinds of nick strains, police use cutting off the airway versus cutting off the blood supply. The carotid restraint is not designed or intended to restrict the airflow of an individual rather it is too restrictive, corroded artery blood flow on either side of the Nick to render an individual unconscious without suffocating him. We don't train our officers to suffocate people. That's deadly force. Can you imagine myself standing in front of a group of officers and say okay guys and girls? We're GONNA train today how to suffocate and choke you out? What circumstances are police? Officers trained to use this tactic. When is it appropriate? And how are they? A crowded restraint will not be applied unless it's the last option that an officer has short of employing his firearm. Usually it's a situation where it's become a hands on situation, which by the way law enforcement is trained to avoid because once it gets to that point then as you can imagine, appreciate than it's fisticuffs. It's scratching. It's binding. It's tearing close pulling hair. The likelihood of injuries resulting from those hand situations is much more than say a Taser application or pepper spray. Some people would say we're parsing. Here's an obviously suffocating someone where they can't breathe is one thing, but also cutting off someone's blood circulation to the point where they pass out, is also you know maybe a bridge too far for a lot of people? Yes! I understand that. My point. Is this the? Despite what you may have what we've all seen over the past month. The application least in California of crowded restraints is extremely rare. In a three year reporting period, two, thousand, sixteen to two thousand eighteen mandatory reporting of carotid restraint, holds from all law enforcement agencies in California which result in serious injury. There were less than a hundred reported incidents across California. Now you're talking close to eighty thousand plus officers in deputy sheriff's and almost close to seven hundred law enforcement agencies, so the use of that hold the carotid restraint is extremely rare. It says training is key. That officer must be trained. Certified train successfully passed the course in have required periodic training to make sure that he or she has maintained proficiency in its application because it's inherently dangerous, you are going to be required as part of your training before you're left alone that you demonstrate a proficiency in every type of use of force application. You're going to qualify with your Taser. Obviously your firearm in the same applies to the carotid restraint. And so we'd have you ever had to apply restraint in your career. Have once they maybe twenty almost twenty years ago? I was by myself on patrol and actually was a traffic stop. and. Go all the details, but it just became very confrontational, and then he reached for something behind and I grabbed his arm. Said! Don't don't put your arm behind your back Whatever you're going for I was in position whereas just say okay. Stop their turnaround and then he just. He dragged me. We both went to the ground in the fight was on basically and I was was able to get into position where Yahtzee put him in a Karadzic hold. In my career. Maybe I've applied. It maybe Gosh I. Want to say probably less than two or three times. You know I can imagine why you know. We call it like less lethal force, right people still die from tasers. Clearly, people still died from having cops. You know arms around their necks, but to that point I wonder what that fine line is. A. Carotid restraint is one thing, but we've seen time and again. People saying I can't breathe literally being killed in watching the life. Leave them right in the heat of the moment. Obviously things can get dangerous out there. But how easy is the slip from a carotid restraint where you're putting pressure on the arteries on the side to now they're windpipe is being crushed. Good question, it's very easy. In many instances for that carotid restraint to become inadvertently a stranglehold over a choke hold in California, when when an individual says I can't breathe, and that is a specific phrase that's used in case law in California that an officer must take that plea seriously, and if feasible, ensured that the individual can breathe. So that is part of our training. You don't ignore that you know I always hear officers. Tell me we'll ed if he can talk, he can breathe, and I have to explain the physiological functions in dispel the myth why the individual truly cannot breathe even if he can talk. When you think about the the Knicks rains, there's something that seems so aggressive and I wonder thinking about how these restraints are employed on black and Brown and marginalized people the way police different. Do you think that there is a general of fear of black people? The way you responded because there's this this fear of these people. I think that's I. Think it would be fair to say that and I'll tell you why. I teach racial profiling for the state for officers in what I tried to impart on the officers is that I recognize that? There's implicit bias. What I ask officers to do is at least when you approach. These situations given the time at least ask yourself. Ask yourself whether or not whatever you're feeling is motivated by race. Why am I making this traffic stop? Is it because he's black or because she's Hispanic I want them to think about it. Because the more I can get them to think about it I. Think is the best approach to getting officers to understand all right, maybe I'm overreacting here. Maybe it is motivated by race. Let me take a deep breath and step back on this one. diddley choke holds. Police have been dealt with differently across the country. Consequences have ranged from a suspension to second degree murder charges as in the case of the officer who killed George Floyd. But in California karate restraints, those blood chokes may soon be off limits entirely officers. Earlier this month California Governor Gavin. newsom said he would sign an outright ban on karate restraints if a bill comes across his desk at the federal level in the weeks. Since George Bullets, killing the House passed a bill that would effectively require police departments to end the use of nick restraints. In last month prevent trump said that federal dallas for policing would prioritize departments that were taking steps to minimize the use of force. As part of this new credentialing process choke calls will be banned. Except if an officers life is at risk. A number of cities and states have passed bands in recent weeks including New York State along with Minneapolis Denver Dallas. And Washington DC. It told me that trying to eliminate the chokehold tactic in big cities where officers can easily call for backup is one thing, but it'd be hard to do in sparsely populated areas when officer might be alone and therefore need to use more force. Let's say you have this Mon. deputy or loan officer out in the middle of nowhere by himself herself with backup literally fifteen minutes away half an hour away, and they confront individual where it becomes hands on then that that deputy is going to be authorized and entitled to use whatever force options are necessary under the circumstances. What if there's a federal ban on colds? Do you think that that's enforceable? That departments across the country would comply with that given as you say sometimes you gotTA. Do what you gotta do. There's no way that the application would be banned completely. Let's say I'm on a plane and we've seen these incidents more often than once where some passenger goes crazy, Berserk on the plane and mid air and everybody has to tackle them well. I think under those circumstances. Corroded would be more than reasonable to life. You're not gonNA shoot the individual You don't want to pepper spray the individual because it's going to contaminate the whole department. If I'm, Obser-. Assume everybody, LLOSA's civilian. Yeah, am I gonNA put him in a chokehold. If I can, if it's feasible, yes, and that would be justified and I think ever been that plane would all agree in these life and death situations that no department going to say hey, if your life endanger, you can go ahead and shoot the individual, but you can't use a crowded restraint now that you know that makes no sense. I as Paul Butler, the same question should be banned, and would a federal ban even be enforceable? I think that it would be an important symbol of this moment in racial justice. As a practical matter I don't know if it would make a difference, people say the police don't do what they WanNa do, but the law is expressive. And I think that. If each one of the eighteen thousand police departments told your officers you cannot put your hands or knees on another human beads neck, because that creates a risk that you will kill them, so that's just something you don't do I think that that would be an important symbol. That black lives matter. But as Paul pointed out, chokehold were already against NYPD posse Eric. Garner was killed. Time! The pert. Mr Garner in that show coat. was illegal in the low that if you viral, there's something in the employee handbook. That's illegal. This new law in New York now makes it a crime for an officer to engage in aggravated strangulation, threatening up to prosecutors to bring cases and we'll have to see. There hasn't been a whole lot of success with prosecutors charging officers with crimes involving violence in the line of duty. On June first of this year San Diego, police chief David. Announced a ban on karate restraints in the wake of George. Ploy death. I'm angry I can tell you all the officers from our department or angry. I can tell you. My chiefs are angry about what we saw. What occurred in Minneapolis and the death of Mr Fluid? And so effective immediately I put out to all my members that we are stopping the use of the crowd restraint. department order will either go out today or tomorrow, but did put out a message to the troops. But it stops immediately. is a relief, but his is stressful upsetting. The news was bittersweet for Robert Branch who was choked unconscious by county sheriff in San Diego five years ago. At the time, Robert Filed and excessive force lawsuit against the county. The county didn't admit any wrongdoing, but Robert was awarded a one hundred thirty seven thousand dollars settlement. Everything was Chaz. Finally go back to normal cells. It just. It was a lie. It was so much relief off me. Looking forward. Robert says he wants broader reforms to hopefully help. Stop what happened to him from happening to other people but mostly. He just wants to move on. From what you understand, what happened to the police officer that that choked you today? so pretty much. I found out. It was either he. Gets fired or take his retirement, so he not doing his retirement. From there I'm not sure I. Try not to think about him. I'm just hoping that I never see him again in the streets or in the store. But if it does happen, I'm. I don't know to be honest job. I, really don't know. Still, archetype feared he might. Do something anything but I just do have that fear. How do you begin to process all that? I'm still. I'm still processing it. As like A. Deep question for me. I'm just I'm just still process. Sometimes I. Do feel feel that. I want to know why he did what he did. But I sometimes I just tried not to. Think about in in you know. Forgive him in just. Just go on with my life, because at the same time I'm not gonNA. Hear what he has to say or I'm never going to get an apology from the sheriff's Department or from him. On why he did that day. We've reached out to the San Diego Sheriff's Department about Roberts case. Pay declined to comment. Into America is produced by Isabel Angel Alison Bailey Aaron Max Jacobs, Barbara Rab Clarence. Hi Isha, Turner and Pretty Barth on original music by Hannah's Brown. OUR EXECUTIVE PRODUCER IS ELLEN Franken Steve. Lick Tai is executive producer of audio. I'm sure mainly will be back on Monday. Hey everyone, it's mainly. Thanks for listening now I would invite you to talk to us here. AT MSNBC, we'd like to know more about you and the topics you'd be interested in hearing about as we look to launch new podcast. Texts podcasts two six, six, eight six, and will text you a link to a short survey again text the word podcast to six eight six six standard text messaging rates. Apply your input matters, and we're really looking forward to hearing from you.