6 Burst results for "Eric Dawson"
Revision Path
"eric dawson" Discussed on Revision Path
"A bad motherfucker. I was like, when he goes, yeah, get back, get your ass back here in two weeks. So I have to jump and I work for them for about 5 years, and from there, it's when I started doing advertising because after a while, I felt like I did as much as I could do there. But through there, I got to meet so many incredible musicians, jazz, and otherwise, because they just have amazing musicians come there to do a benefit so people like Stevie Wonder came and Ray Charles came and Paul Simon came and it was just an incredible incredible experience. And a nonprofit. So it was the whole point of view of jazz like a sinner, is to teach people about jazz and jazz still lives and that it's existence, and you should go see it. They should appreciate it. It's not what you think it is. And all that. So I really, it was great. And I got to design for them. And I got to meet a lot of incredible other designers and be part of the community of graphic designers in New York. The whole time thinking in my mind, like I really want to be an illustrator. But this is great. I mean, to me, that sounds like a dream job, like you're doing design, you're surrounded by jazz. That sounds like, for me, that would be perfect. It was. It was for a while. Like all things, you know, all good things come to an end. Like any organization this changes and things happen and it's not what it was when you first started and people come in and they have their own ideas. I have nothing bad to say about it. It was a decision that I made as well as something that I loved. But you can't stay everywhere, say any one place forever. That's ironically, after working in advertising for a few years, I ended up going back into the music and being the art director for blue note jazz clubs. What? Yeah. I was there for about four years. So Bruno jazz, people think of the one club in New York, but they actually have clubs in all over the world in Madrid and Milan, Japan, Hawaii, I was their art director for several years. And so again, I was in this club. I was a meeting. I was back in my jazz world. I was in heaven because I loved jazz musicians. Jazz dishes are some of the most even keeled people artists there are because they don't make any money. They don't get rich. They're just doing it because they love it. And they're happy to be doing it. If they can make a living, doing something you like doing it, then you're a happy person. Yeah. So they tend to be not arrogant, tend to be happy, tend to be hardworking, tend to be very committed and focused because to be a good musician. It takes a lot, as you know. Takes an incredible amount of concentration, rehearsal, practice, and focus. Yeah. And they're always thinking of what they're going to do next. So being around those people makes you better at what you do. So it makes you better at your art because you see the commitment they have. I said, damn, I need to get serious about what I'm doing. Because these motherfuckers are kicking ass what they're doing, you see somebody play, you see Herbie or Chi Korea, come up there, sweat their ass off and play, and they get off and they're like, we gonna do that, I'll go get some chicken wings. I'm like, damn, man, this guy just killed himself, but. You know, now he's done. Oh my God, these guys, I want to be like, damn, I want to be like them, you know? So that's why they're in a constant inspiration to me. It's like total commitment and highest level of achievement mixed with this sort of chill. Like, yeah, well, we're here doing it. Type of attitude. It's beautiful, man. What advice would you give to people out there like they're hearing your story, they're hearing all this about you. What advice would you give to people that want to follow in your footsteps? It just you have to be honest with what you really want to do. I mean, listen, I understand practicality. I'm totally know that that is. I spent a lot of my life doing jobs. I've had all kinds of jobs. And I've done whatever it took to take care of myself for my family. But they also has to be this part of you that doesn't lose the eyes and the price. What is it you really want to do? What is it that makes you the happiest? And it doesn't matter what it is. If it's writing a unicycle, backwards or being the world's best juggler, whatever. You have to focus on that eventually, because you don't want to spend the rest of your life just doing something that you just feel like you need to do in order to make a living. And I know that everybody's path, but you have to work towards it, I think. I would say I spent a good half of my life doing things that I had to do. And now I'm having to have my life from doing things I want to do. And I think it's worth doing that. Whatever it is, whether it's being a doctor or being a hedge fund manager or being a fireman. It's the passion behind it that I think is important. And you shouldn't deny yourself of that. By both my students and musicians now, any parent will tell you, you know what your son would be a musician for all the reasons I've already stated earlier. It's hard to make a living. And you never probably going to be rich. But I can't imagine them doing anything else because they're so deeply committed to it. And that's all they want to talk about. I did a book about it because it was such a focused commitment. Even more so than me, they know what they want to do before I did. In terms of their lives. So I guess my advice is always do what you have to do. No one's going to fault you for that, but don't forget what you want to do. Do you have a dream project that you'd love to do one day? It sounds like you've already touched on so many of your passions with your work. This specific things, right now I'm trying to get out a coffee book on jazz portraits. I've done over the years, which is tougher than you would think to get printed and published. And the other thing is some years ago, I wanted to put out a book about Eric dolphy and I did a lot preliminary work. I even did a KickStarter. I could not get the book published. I could not get it finished. And I wrote a script that I illustrated over half of it. And Eric Dawson is a sex phone player composer who I actually am totally enamored with in terms of his life trajectory. He was just a really nice guy who was committed to his art. And he died very young in a very sad way, actually on a gurney in Germany from a diabetic shock and the people that were there did not realize that he had that problem and they thought he was just a black musician who was on drugs and didn't take care of the way they should have. But his life before that, he brushed against all the great musicians Charles mingus and John Coltrane he played with for a lot of years who loved him. And I wanted to do a graphic novel about him and I did a lot of work on it and I did a lot of things, but it just kind of just one of those projects that keeps getting away. It fell through a couple of times and I am just starting to resurrect it now and if I get that book done I'll die happening. When you look back at your career, is there like a particular moment or an experience that really stands out to you the most in your mind? Can I break it down into two? Sure. Okay. The first one is the one I just told you about. Which is when it Marcellus told me I was a bad motherfucker. The second one is, and it's almost the opposite of that, but it gave me a motivation. I went to a comic book company early on soon out of high school. I was starting to get small jobs to do things, but I didn't really get anything major yet. And I won't tell you which comic book companies, but it's a major one. It's one of the big two. I showed in my portfolio and the editor, the white editor, looked at it, and he said, yeah, this is pretty good, but we already got a colored artist. So, oh, we already got one, so. Thanks for coming in. Damn. And I just said. I will say the word. That's this guy. Yeah. And he ain't stopping me. And I can say, even in this world, I'm 60 years old. And I've seen racism of all kinds. But I have never really been held back when I really wanted to do something. I've had all kinds of opportunities despite my race. I just don't accept that as a reason for not achieving anything. My father was a doctor. My mother was the first black woman to work in this bank that she worked. I feel like if you really want something, you can not use that. So I guess to answer your question, it was important to me that that guy told me what he said, because I said, F the sky, he's not
CounterClock
"eric dawson" Discussed on CounterClock
"Pro Bono on the case that have reached out to France since the podcast. So the bottom line is this. When I used to get on social media, I felt like I was the lone soldier defending my brother. And I feel like there's a whole army. And that hasn't really happened since the trial. No, that is definitely podcast related. As far as whether or not Jackie thinks her family's murders are truly connected to her father's past and Florida, or art tethered in any way to the murder of Eric Dawson, she remains adamant that there could be something there. She thinks investigators in both states need to be working together and trying to figure out if someone involved in the circumstances in Florida was behind her father, stepmother, and stepsisters murders. And I do believe that there is still connection which Florida connection, it is. Got me, but I definitely think that things should be followed up on, but can they really be at this point? I don't know, because it's been what 33 years now. Is there any rock to turn over still? I just, I don't know. And I don't know that we're ever going to get anybody that can't be us, that can't be the lawyers that has to be investigators that has to be law enforcement that does that. But again, I don't know that they care. They, in their mind, they have their guy. So I don't know that they care. As of right now, I can report that the Florida department of law enforcement state crime lab is currently in possession of some firearm evidence related to this investigation. I can't go further into detail about it, but just know that things are happening. What could come of that testing may become public knowledge, heck it may even lead to some bombshell revelations in this case. But until investigators get to that point, I don't want to compromise anything or put any information out there that might be damaging or cause confusion. In the meantime, we're all left to wait. Time will tick by and this story it won't end. I have to accept that. Whatever you believe about Jeff's guilt or potential innocence, you have to accept that this thing is still unresolved in many ways. Turning back the hands of time is the only way to see that. Until we know the judge's ruling in Jeff's case, I don't plan on releasing any more episodes related to season three story. While I was working on everything that went into this bonus episode, I began investigating the unsolved murder of a teenage boy from Florida. That story is the focus of counterclock season four, which drops as a 15 episode binge in May. So keep an eye out here on the feed, and I'll be back in a few weeks. Counter clock is an audio chuck production. So, what do you think, chuck? Do you approve?.
CounterClock
"eric dawson" Discussed on CounterClock
"To my office tonight and package it so they can view it. And bomb says, okay. Now, here without any doubt, I'm not making this up is what the jury saw. They saw no coins. It was packaged. So that the anise grocery store bag is turned inside out. You can't take it out of the exterior bag and turn it over and see the actual coin. The jury never knew because of the way in which it was packaged, and the way in which it was distributed during this, that it was an Anna's grocery store bag. I have alleged it to Brady violation that they knew or should have known. They were presenting in it in such a way that it was false evidence. France subpoenaed half a dozen former law enforcement investigators, including former saint Joseph county prosecutor's office cold case detective Craig whitfield. Last week when Craig took the stand, Fran asked him to explain how he came to the conclusion that Jeff's blue jeans were washed. And why despite no police report ever saying an officer physically pulled them from the washing machine, Craig determined Jeff's blue jeans were what he wore to kill his family. In 2006, neither the defense nor the lead prosecutor ever called Craig to testify as a witness at trial. Fran alleges that Craig was never asked to take the stand because the prosecutor knew Craig's logic about the blue jeans being washed was flawed. But hoped jurors wouldn't be paying close enough attention. And Alan baum, well, he never called Craig as a witness either because the blue Jean facts just went over his head entirely. Before Craig took the stand in the evidentiary hearing, the prosecution pulled a move, no one anticipated. The lead attorney attempted to argue the entire FBI file from 1989, the one that contained the forensic test results, proving Jeff's blue jeans were soiled and not washed, should be thrown out. The head prosecutor argued the file contained hearsay, meaning he wasn't sure if what was in it was legitimate evidence. He claimed that in order to authenticate what was in the file, he needed the opportunity to question all of the FBI lab techs from 30 years ago who produced the report. After a lot of back and forth, the judge ultimately ruled against the state. For two important reasons. One. She said the FBI file had to be allowed because it was extremely relevant to the defense's case. And it was a document the state provided to the defense under a former prosecutor. So because the state gave it to the defense as a true and accurate document of the discovery, it was obviously authentic and credible. After that lengthy conversation about the FBI file came to an end, Craig whitfield's testimony got underway. While being questioned, he admitted that prior to ever investigating the peli murders for the cold case unit at the saint Joseph county prosecutor's office, he had many conversations with the former lead detective on the case, John bodic. You'll recognize John's name, I interviewed him for counter clock season three. Craig said that he and John talked extensively about the crime and evidence, including Jeff's blue jeans, shirt, socks, and the washing machine, well before Craig took on the case in 2002. He insisted, though, that those discussions did not affect his independent investigation that resulted in Jeff being charged with the crime. When asked why he stated in his probable cause affidavit that Jeff's blue jeans were taken from the washing machine with coins and a receipt in the pocket. Craig replied, that's what the officers back in 1989 wrote in their reports. So, he believed it. Despite being shown that not a single police or investigative report states blue jeans were taken from the peli's washing machine, Craig doubled down on his previous statement. He said that he read an FBI report that said when the feds went to originally test the blue jeans, their texts found the stuff in the pockets. But when Fran questioned Craig about where that FBI report existed, he said, he didn't know. All he knew was that he remembered reading it. Fran told the court that if that alleged report Craig was referring to wasn't in the full FBI report, then she doesn't have it. It's not in the original discovery, so that would mean perhaps another Brady violation occurred. She kind of said this ingest, though, because she doesn't believe Craig at all. While he was on the stand, a bailiff actually brought in the blue jeans, coins, the anise grocery store bag, and the receipt. But something strange occurred, Fran explained to the judge that since the last time she was allowed to view those items, someone at the prosecutor's office had clearly repackaged them. The judge stopped the proceedings and was puzzled by this. The prosecutor couldn't explain what had happened either, but the preceding had to go on. Craig wrapped up his testimony, emphasizing that he thought the ink on the receipt was smudged, indicating it was washed with the jeans. His response to Fran asking him how it would be possible for 34 coins and a paper receipt to stay in the pocket of a pair of washed pants was, quote, it didn't make any sense to me at that time, and it still doesn't. End quote. Former detective John bodic and police officer John Cooney testified too. As expected, they also doubled down that they believed Jeff's blue jeans were what he wore to kill his family, and then he washed them to destroy evidence. Bowditch denied ever seizing clothing from Jeff's trunk when Jeff was picked up at great America the day after the crime. According to him, there was no way the blue jeans came from Jeff's trunk. Officer Cooney swore under oath that he looked into the washing machine while processing the crime scene, and he saw blue jeans with a few other articles of clothing in the basin. However, Cooney said he never took the clothes out, and he could not remember who his supervisor was that he told about them. All he knows is that he did see the blue jeans, and he believes another officer took them as evidence. It should be noted, though, that officer Cooney never said he saw blue jeans in the washing machine when he was called to testify at just 2006 trial. He said it specifically for the first time during the evidentiary hearing. The third argument Fran and her team made is that Jeff's constitutional right to a speedy trial was violated. Basically, delays prompted by former prosecutors caused years to pass by between 2002 and 2006. And during that time, Jeff never got any closer to his day in court. Under federal law, a person has the right to have a trial by jury within a set amount of time after their arrest. Back in 2008, an Indiana appeals court actually agreed that Jeff's right to a speedy trial was violated, and it overturned his conviction, but when the case made it to the Indiana Supreme Court in 2009, justices there reaffirmed the conviction. The last major claim Fran argued in the hearing was that the defense had newly discovered evidence related to bob Pelé's background in Florida that they believed contributed to the murders. Of the four post conviction arguments, Fran told me that this last one is the most important, but also the hardest to prove. This is where the recently unearthed physical evidence from prosecutors, as well as a prior police interview with Tony bealer, a former church directory photographer who had an odd conversation with bob pelley before the murders came into play. For the past 33 years, the only documented proof that Tony bealer existed and gave a statement to the authorities was a short one page interview transcript of a conversation she had with a prosecutor's office investigator in 2003. This was shortly after Jeff was arrested. The transcript was generated by that investigator named Timothy decker. He wrote it up after his conversation with Tony ended. So it's very basic. The full videotaped interview was said to be stored in evidence. A few weeks after season three released, saint Joseph county prosecutors found that interview tape after years of telling Fran, they couldn't find it. Once Fran got a hold of it, she said it opened up the door to introduce in court a lot of information about bob Kelly's past and his relationships he had with people in Florida. Essentially the interview opened up the door to the alternate theory that it was not Jeff who killed his family, but perhaps other people who wanted bob gone. On the second day of the hearing, Tony's 2003 videotaped interview was played in court. But a few minutes into the tape rolling, large chunks of it went black. Words were missing, and the audio quality was garbled. Fran told the judge that the copy she was given by the prosecutor's office in June of 2021, not long after they agreed to turn it over, was much better quality and had no redactions. When the judge asked the prosecutor why the tape that was played in the evidentiary hearing was not the same as the one given to the defense last year, he said he didn't know, but agreed that a better version should be admitted for the judge to view later. After that sketchy moment, Tony took the stand in person. She remembered being interviewed by investigator Timothy decker in 2003, and explained that bob Pelé told her shortly before his death that he was not an ordained minister. He had a prior life where he moved money for bad guys and wanted out. Tony explained that bob told her quote. They're sending people and I don't know when, but they're going to kill me and my family. They're going to kill each member of my family and make me watch, and then they're going to kill me. Tony said she tried to alert police to what she knew back in 1989, and she tried several more times leading up to 2003. But nobody reached back out to her, and she never heard from any attorneys before the 2006 trial. Fran argued that the prosecutor's office either mistakenly or intentionally withheld Tony's videotaped interview from Allen baum, which violates the rules of discovery. The reason Tony's testimony would have been so important at Jeff's trial is because her claim points away from Jeff being the guilty offender. It indicates bob was fearful of something or someone tied to his former job and relationships in Florida. Most important of all, what Tony said points to someone else having strong motive to kill bob and members of his family. An additional witness at the evidentiary hearing who supported this idea was Kathy hawley. You probably recognize her last name. Kathy is the ex-wife of one of the Holly sons from Florida that was convicted of financial crimes against Fort Myers land developer Eric Dawson. At the time of the peli murders, Kathy was not Kathy hawley yet. She was still in a previous marriage and had a different last name. She didn't marry a Holly until the 1990s. Kathy testified that she and bob worked together at landmark banks data center in Fort Myers in the mid to late 80s. She was a document clerk in bob was a lead programmer. He was responsible for writing code and instructions for the computers and machines that processed all banking transactions for landmarks branches. Kathy and bob interacted on a daily basis. She said they ate lunch together nearly every day, and when they weren't at work, their families attended the same church and hung out together. She said that shortly before bob and Don and the kids moved to Indiana, he told her that he'd discovered something illegal going on at the data center and the bank. He said he'd copied and incriminating information related to what he'd found onto several floppy disks and then hidden them at his home in his TV stand under some magazines. According to Kathy, what bob said he found was so big, he was worried if he told anyone about it. He'd not only lose his job, but his family would be in danger. Now, this is where my mind went wild. In the case file, there are several statements from Jackie and Jeff from back in 1989 during their interviews with police. They said their dad banned them or anyone from using the computer in his office in the parsonages basement. And when I say banned, I mean band. Jackie said in one of her interviews that no one was allowed to use the home computer except bob. In addition to that, there is a police report written by former investigator Mark center, in which he's interviewing Ed Hayes, dawn's father. That report states that Ed told police in 1989 that when family members got back into the parsonage after police released the crime scene, they found a computer in bob's office in the basement with the power cord cut, like with a pair of scissors. Now, if you know anything about computers back in the 80s, you know that if the power cord was cut, it couldn't power on, which was exactly the case with the peli's computer. Ed said he was told the cord was cut by police investigators when they processed the scene, but nowhere in the investigator's reports does its state a police officer cut that cord. On top of that, Ed also told police that the first thing Jeff went for when the kids were allowed back into the house, or three computer disks, one labeled church, one labeled parsonage, and one that Ed didn't see the label for. Eventually Jeff was asked to give these discs to investigators, but to this day, no one knows what was on them, or if Indiana police ever reviewed their contents. Now, if this story is true and Jeff did take those disks that might indicate he knew something important was on them, but why hasn't he come forward with that? To me, if he thought there was something on there or his dad told them about them and to take them if something ever happened to him, that means that Jeff has something that points to someone else wanting to kill the family. Jeff has never interviewed with me for this podcast, so I can't ask him for myself. Just the fact that these statements exist, though, in the 1989 interview transcripts from the case file makes me wonder if the reason that computer cord was cut, and the reason bob was so serious about him only using the computer and why Jeff took those three random disks if they're related at all was because there was something stored on those disks or on that computer that was related to what bob told Kathy Holly about. It all just seems so sketchy. After Kathy's testimony ended, the defense called an expert witness who testified that police's bias in only initially looking at Jeff caused them to exclude bob's Florida connections as a possible avenue of investigation. Tom cantino, the former lead detective in charge of investigating Eric Dawson's murder in Lee county, Florida, a few months prior to the peli murders, also took the witness stand. Tom's purpose was to detail the link between Eric Dawson and the hollies, the details of Eric's unsolved murder, and how if police back in 1989 in Indiana, had known he was investigating Phil Holly in his sons for criminal activity in Florida that may have impacted Indiana authorities avenues of investigation into bob peli and his family's murders. Bob's employment at landmark bank and everything Kathy Holly and Tom cantino testified to has never been associated with the peli case in any legal proceeding prior to the evidentiary hearing. So, the fact that it now exists in the Indiana courts official record is huge. But testimony from the one person who likely knew the most about bob's ties to Florida, the bank, and members of the Holly family, was noticeably absent. Whether you wear eyeglasses to see or use them for blue light, I have to tell you guys about warby Parker. I love my warby Parker glasses. In fact, I'm wearing them right now while I'm reading this ad. 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Losing pastor Ross has a witness potentially hurt Fran in court, but in the end, some of the things he may have known about what she calls the Florida facts could have been dismissed as hearsay anyway, or at least that's what she believes prosecutors were planning to argue. It's impossible to know if pastor Ross testimony would have packed as much of a punch as the defense had hoped it would. Two other people, though, who knew the pallies well and have seen the inside of saint Joseph county superior court once before, are Sheila and Irish Saunders. They were the peli's next door neighbors on Osbourne road. Sheila and Irish still live in the same house that they did back in 89. They look out their kitchen window every day and see the olive branch united brethren parsonage in church. Hello. Hi, is this Irish? Yes, it is. Hey, this is Delia dember. How are you, man? I'm doing good. How are you? I'm doing well. Sheila back yet? I spoke with the couple not long before the evidentiary hearing, I wanted to catch up and get their thoughts about the podcast and everything that's.
Native Opinion Podcast an American Indian Perspective
"eric dawson" Discussed on Native Opinion Podcast an American Indian Perspective
"Have the facilities. I'm sorry have their the their homelands and facilities that had been built upon their homelands to extract fuel for the nuclear plants. Now i suggest that more work be done to ensure that these nuclear power plants remain more safe than they have been over the past few years. there's a couple of Nuclear power plants that come to mind Chernobyl and fukushima. I think carelessness was a reason why those plants meltdown yes for fukushima nature had a little part to play in that but i think if more careful planning had been involved in constructing those plants in protecting the cooling systems For those those power plants. I think a lot of that could be very. We're still seeing fallout from that today. It's still creating wastewater and share noble. It's still a toxic environment. that's still in uninhabitable. So let's let's talk about what's in this article. A quick thought experiment. What would the climate change debate. Look like if all humanity had what's fossil fuels and renewables and then today an engineering visionary revealed a new invention nuclear energy. That look like if they the bait. What's just that way now. There's a german entrepreneur living in new york by the name of that during our detering. I'm sorry and he thinks that you know we'd be developing the hell out of it and we would be looking at a. You know a different world. Like mr debt ring. I believe nuclear energy could be the case the key to solving the climate crisis. I truly believe that. Now mr detering to be fair is co chair of the nuclear new york advocacy advocacy group. Excuse me and he's part of a wave of environmentalists campaigning. For more nuclear energy environmentalists. Mind you though you know. The word 'nuclear evokes images of landscapes. You know destroyed by an atomic calamity. Like i mentioned Chernobyl and fukushima. And i didn't mention hiroshima but that was due to a nuclear devastation. As well you know decorating it and one of his colleagues. Eric dawson point out. That nuclear power produces huge amounts of electricity while emitting next to no carbon. And that's that's very true but again we have to consider the the detriment to the tribes. That have reservations where this nuclear field comes from uranium so i believe if things were engineered better safety cautions put in place to the max i think. Nuclear energy would be a solution to our climate problem. There's a band discussions around using nuclear power for other things than a military use. I really wish someone out there. I made this suggestion to a company that in the engineering and study phases and somewhat production phases of producing Many nuclear plants. And yes. that's the thing. I'll have to dig out the article and put the link in the show notes which talks about that more but you know. Nuclear power separates it from fossil fuels which we know are dirty and renewable to clean. But in a lot of instances it's weather dependent depending on where the you know the. The equipment is located contrary to you. Know they're a pop up. Papa apocalyptic reputation. The power plants are relatively safe. Coal power is estimated to kill around three hundred fifty times as many people per terawatt hour of produced And those deaths are mostly from air pollution compared to nuclear power.
Native Opinion Podcast an American Indian Perspective
"eric dawson" Discussed on Native Opinion Podcast an American Indian Perspective
"Have the facilities. I'm sorry have their the their homelands and facilities that had been built upon their homelands to extract fuel for the nuclear plants. Now i suggest that more work be done to ensure that these nuclear power plants remain more safe than they have been over the past few years. there's a couple of Nuclear power plants that come to mind Chernobyl and fukushima. I think carelessness was a reason why those plants meltdown yes for fukushima nature had a little part to play in that but i think if more careful planning had been involved in constructing those plants in protecting the cooling systems For those those power plants. I think a lot of that could be very. We're still seeing fallout from that today. It's still creating wastewater and share noble. It's still a toxic environment. that's still in uninhabitable. So let's let's talk about what's in this article. A quick thought experiment. What would the climate change debate. Look like if all humanity had what's fossil fuels and renewables and then today an engineering visionary revealed a new invention nuclear energy. That look like if they the bait. What's just that way now. There's a german entrepreneur living in new york by the name of that during our detering. I'm sorry and he thinks that you know we'd be developing the hell out of it and we would be looking at a. You know a different world. Like mr debt ring. I believe nuclear energy could be the case the key to solving the climate crisis. I truly believe that. Now mr detering to be fair is co chair of the nuclear new york advocacy advocacy group. Excuse me and he's part of a wave of environmentalists campaigning. For more nuclear energy environmentalists. Mind you though you know. The word 'nuclear evokes images of landscapes. You know destroyed by an atomic calamity. Like i mentioned Chernobyl and fukushima. And i didn't mention hiroshima but that was due to a nuclear devastation. As well you know decorating it and one of his colleagues. Eric dawson point out. That nuclear power produces huge amounts of electricity while emitting next to no carbon. And that's that's very true but again we have to consider the the detriment to the tribes. That have reservations where this nuclear field comes from uranium so i believe if things were engineered better safety cautions put in place to the max i think. Nuclear energy would be a solution to our climate problem. There's a band discussions around using nuclear power for other things than a military use. I really wish someone out there. I made this suggestion to a company that in the engineering and study phases and somewhat production phases of producing Many nuclear plants. And yes. that's the thing. I'll have to dig out the article and put the link in the show notes which talks about that more but you know. Nuclear power separates it from fossil fuels which we know are dirty and renewable to clean. But in a lot of instances it's weather dependent depending on where the you know the. The equipment is located contrary to you. Know they're a pop up. Papa apocalyptic reputation. The power plants are relatively safe. Coal power is estimated to kill around three hundred fifty times as many people per terawatt hour of produced And those deaths are mostly from air pollution compared to nuclear power.
CounterClock
"eric dawson" Discussed on CounterClock
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I have a feeling it probably has something to do with the holy family being go so the most asked question we got was or not anyone in the holly family owned or drove a black pickup truck in nineteen eighty nine and my answer is possibly knows. I know why people are asking. This question is because of lowest stands varies. I witnessed agent. She was the one that said that she saw bob. Kelly standing next to a black truck holding a shovel like thing around five. Pm on prom night in the exact window of time that the police say bob was supposed to have been being murdered right and i think because we now know how close bob and phil holly and his family were people really want to know if that black truck could have been one of them and again. My answer is possibly but just a word of caution to people whose minds get carried away with the hollies is. We can speculate all day long but we have to remember that the holly family is not nor has ever been formally brought into the pelly murder investigation like they certainly have linkage to eric dawson and the financial crimes against him but in the end speculating about whether they could or may have been in lakeville. The night the police were killed is ground. You really have to tread carefully. And that's something that i feel like. We had to do this whole season. Because i wanted to be like one hundred percent transparent and honest with all the listeners friend watson obviously raises concern that the holly family was in lakeville or could have had motive to be involved. But that's because she's jeff's lawyer and she wants to prove there's a third party involvement scenario in general but to answer people's questions about whether or not i found a black truck tied to the hollies. All i'll say is that while doing deep dives on their property records and doing google earth street views on all of their properties in one of the carports of one of those homes that is registered to one of their family members. There is a dark colored older model pickup truck parked in the driveway. Yeah i i remember when you found this and you sent me this and i do i remember being like oh my god but i think that i'm glad that you kinda give that disclaimer to everyone because even i kind of wanted to get carried away and it it could mean absolutely nothing. Yeah i mean it's definitely like strange in sort of those wild moments that you have doing this kind of work but you know who's to say that that truck doesn't belong to attendant or a friend or like you know along care work like right. Who knows and because there's so many kind of convoluted lawsuits in bankruptcy and business. Documents also spread out through that family. I could not find any sort of like legitimate vehicle registration that highs a black pickup truck to any member of the holy family right. So that's where we have to leave it. And i think finding the real answer though would be law enforcement's job or maybe like a private investigator for jeff pelley. I don't know but at this point is not for me to chase anymore right. Yeah like we have to tap out. The second most asked question people had was whether or not anyone remembered. Jeff's hair being wet or not when he showed up at the lake though gas station fixes car and when he picked up for prom around five thirty right because just as a refresher like the state's theory is that jeff murdered his family in like this ten to fifteen minute window. He cleans up all the shell casings. He grabs the gun. He does a load of laundry. He showers before leaving the parsonage. So and again. He's doing all that and teeny tiny window. He's not blow drying his hair so if he took a shower his hair should be wet when he's clocked at five. Seventeen by dennis nicodemus at the gas station right. Except no one including dennis darla mark berger orlin at grier remembers jeff's mullet hairstyle being wet or freshly showered they all say he looked normal and maybe even like a little bit annoyed or shoveled. They say he was wearing his blue jeans and a black hawaiian shirt. None of them distinctly remember him having wet or damp here. The other big question listeners wrote in asking about was what car part did bob removed from jeff's mustang prior to prom that made it inoperable and when did that part get put back. So that jeff can affect drive his mustang convertible. That's one of the biggest unknowns right. Like if bob put the spark plug or fuse or whatever they say it was back in the mustang himself and that's proof that he and jeff came to some kind of agreement prior to five o'clock on saturday that jeff could have driven himself to prom so that eliminates what police say was jeff's motive for the murders. But if bob didn't put the fuse back in the car and it was jeff who installed it then. Maybe that's why jeff was having car problems and had to stop in the first place because he could have done it or something like that. Yeah i mean the answer to me is one or the other. I think what's also super important when we're talking about. The mustang is the fact that jeff was also washing his car around lunchtime on that saturday which to me is an indication that he and bob had come to some agreement that the mustang was going to prom that night or else why was jeff washing it. But to the police's point they would argue that jeff washing his car was him plotting and already knowing he was going to kill his family and then take off to prom so the car part being fixed him washing it. Who exactly fix the car. Part is not something that i think the answer is really crystal clear on and probably never will be and again. That goes for the car washing. Like what does it mean. Yeah i feel like you could even these fact and so much of this case i think it could be a good fact for jeff or it could be a bad fact for jet but like it just depends on how you're looking at it. Yeah and while. We're on the topic of prominent jeff. I wanted to look at another big question people submitted. And that's about the checkbook that had those two checks written out in dawn's handwriting but a third check for one hundred twenty bucks that wasn't in her handwriting. Dealie i think about this checkbook all the time i know and like it was it was wild to me. How many people like really got hung up on this. And i like not hung up like in a bad way but just like they were on it with the details and some people's questions were like can handwriting analysis done or fingerprinting or way to figure out like when those those checks dated or cached and my answer to all of that is is. We don't know we can't no. I mean it's been so many years and all of the investigation police did about the checkbook was just take that one statement from ed hayes. Don's dad in which he recounted finding the checkbook.