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Steelers Brunch With Tony: How the Steelers could miss the playoffs in 2020.
"And good afternoon again. Pittsburgh steeler fans and welcome to another edition of. steelers Brench, with Tony and I'm your host Tony few. Thank you as always for joining me. And before I get started as one a as always encourage you to. Subscribe to behind curtains. Youtube Channel we have. A Plethora of of podcast each and every day there's. The Standard is a standard. That's our flagship. show their steelers preview. There's yeah I said it. There's static. Their steelers QNA every Monday hosted by yours truly and Brian Anthony Davis. And now we have a new show. It's called. steelers retro show, and that airs right after steelers, Q. and A. and I'm really looking forward to this this week's broadcast where we're going to be talking about. The greatest steelers defensive players who didn't make the pro bowl, the most underrated over or not overrated at stupid, the most underrated steelers. Who did not make the pro bowl? Is that make sense? Either way it's good stuff. You'll really enjoy it. I had a lot of fun with Brian on last Monday show talking about. You greatest offensive players in the modern era. That didn't make the pro bowl. So I think you're really going to enjoy that. Then, of course in the regular season the steelers. QNA turns into the steelers hangover where we we discuss. The previous day steelers matchup, so please subscribe to our channel like our channel and. There's plenty to choose from when when it comes to podcast and also encourage you to. To check out behind the steel curtain a website where we bring you ten articles each and every day breaking news commentary film breakdown everything you need as we like to say, it's our. It's your one stop shop for all your steelers needs so please check check that out. And I? Just want to say hi to everybody. There's Dennis Sheridan as Ri-, Shy Manahan. Oh familiar faces I'm so glad you guys are joining me. Here's a new one urban precious metals buyer. I. Don't know what that means, but. It's a it's a mouthful. That's for sure there's scraper. steelers Pittsburgh. Victory Asher. Wow, what a name that is! That sounds like a Sounds like a English football name I. Don't know much about that, but it sounds like. English premier soccer. Name. If it doesn't. I'm sorry I. Don't know much about soccer, but anyway. Today just like to As always share a my opinions on a number of topics. That mostly have to do with the steelers. Perhaps making the playoffs in twenty twenty and I know there's a lot of optimism that they might that they're make it. into the postseason this year after. Missing the last two years, but You. Just never know right I mean and lot of things that are going to discuss. Our are why they might not make the playoffs well. We're counting on Defense Big Ben injuries that sort of thing. If those things don't work out they might not make the playoffs for a third straight year and I personally think they are going to make the playoffs I personally think this could be one of their most complete football teams in a number of years. I mean. They have a very talented defensive. It looks like it's just hitting its stride. I mean last year. It's easy to forget that this offense was was considered a big question mark heading into last season. Right but then you know you had a Devin Bush to make you add Meka. Fitzpatrick Atta Steven Nelson to already existing group that included Tj what Cam Hayward. Steph to it onto and who was hurt last year, but you know Joe. Japan hardgrave took his place. He's now gone, but to be back this year, but debris. If I. Miss Anybody. I'm sorry, but but you know those two or three players specifically make if it's Patrick made that defense so much better so. if that defense anywhere near where it was last year, and you add big Bentham mix, and if big Ben's. Anywhere near what he was prior to his injury last year. then I think this is going to be a very good football team and you have. Jew returning and he's GonNa. He's going to be leading a a very talented. In my opinion, young receiving court has to question marks. Guys like James Washington Deontay Johnson who everybody's excited about Chase Klay Pool the the latest edition their second round draft. Pick out of Notre Dame soda. There's optimism there and there's optimism. With the with the ground game lead by by James, Connor and Benny Junior jalen Samuels Anthony Mcfarland your fourth round pick out of Maryland this year, so there's hope, and then of course, the tight end situation looks a lot better with Eric. Bryan, joining Vance McDonald, and then you have the. The offensive line which has question marks at right tackle. Zach Banner, and szucs core for going to be battling out for the right, tackle spot, and and and the plan for for twenty twenty s Matt Father to move for my tackle to left garbage. We've discussed that before, and hopefully if if banner in court for a core form story. hopefully if they if they rise to the occasion or funding, this guys writes the occasion when it's at right, tackle spot then. I think you have a chance of having a pretty good offensive blind again. You know Markey's pounds. He struggled last year. There's no question about that, but. We don't know if that's because of an injury or because he was missing band and you know who knows why he was. He struggled last year, but it wasn't one of his best years. But I think we you know we can. We should be able to expect him to return to close to his prime in twenty twenty hopefully so. Relative a young guy, he's coming into it whether it's eleven th year. So you know. Returns to form big Gal returns to form. He kinda struggled last year to Castro's. Probably the their their their best on the line now I would say him or filer at this point, so if again if somebody can can if they're offensive line return to form. And Ben is back to normal close to. It could really be a good team, but as I'm about to get into. There are a number of reasons why they couldn't miss the playoffs again. And the number one reason number one, but the first thing I'm going to talk about. Is that maybe? As good as they might be. Maybe there's so many teams in the league that are more complete than they are. And better than they are regardless of of how good their defenses and how how healthy Ben Rothlisberger is effective. He isn't twenty twenty. Sometimes you know it's a it's A. It's a sick Clo- league. It's a parody league and and. sometimes Other teams just pass you by. I mean look at the AFC champion. Thirty super bowl championships right there the. we finally looks like we finally got rid of the Patriots as the the Boogeyman for the steelers and other teams in the NFL, and and now the chiefs look like the the far and away the best team in the NFL led by Patrick Mahomes A. Former MVP and the reigning super bowl MVP the face elite. Designed a what five hundred million dollar contract for it and fifty million dollars something like that. Big, money. So? They're going to be a formidable foe for a long time they have. Probably the best offense in the NFL, so. You know they look like they're heading for the number one seed once again in the AFC, and of course the ravens through the two time. Defending AFC north champions, and it looks like they got a lot better in the off season the. Clare's Campbell They drafted Pat Pat. Patrick Queen linebacker out of lsu looks like a typical ravens draft pick. He fits a need perfectly for them They went out and drafted. JK Dobbins in the second round, running back out of Ohio. State a Lotta people. While the steelers fans thought that they should've picked him. They had a chance to and and they they pass him for clay poll so. You know they. They got a lot better than of course they have the rating. NFL MVP and Lamar Jackson returning. AN CO coming into his third season and you know his major strength obviously is running the football right I mean. He's proven that the The first two years in the NFL the only question about him is, can he? Kept up his game in the passing department you. Can they become a better passer? Can he add that? To his it. You know there's already you've already seen it. On some occasions I two years, but certainly not on a consistent basis, and certainly not at all in the playoffs I mean he's really struggled. He's really been exposed last two years in the playoffs. At Arabia's been one and done each year, but if he puts that. Part of his game together. Then I mean steelers. are going to be a playing. Catch up for a number of years. It looks like. You. Talk about the browns. one of these days. They're gonNA. Put it all together I mean they have all the talent in the world on paper. They just they just got a new head coach. These days they're going to learn how to win. You know they have Baker Mayfield. myles Garrett Etcetera Etcetera Etcetera. They, have a lot of star power on the team right now so if they can put it all together. steelers might be playing, not just catch up, but they might be going for third place in the AFC north you know, and then you gotTa talk about the other teams the AFC. like like the broncos withdrew lock. They might Make take a step forward this year. The bills WHO were proved to be a pretty formidable foe last year, because they came in Heinz field and beat the steelers. They're led by Josh Allen. They have a great defense. So you know just because the steelers might be better this year and they were last year with the with the addition of Ben. That doesn't mean that they're gonNa make the playoffs I mean I realize there are now seven seven spots instead of six. But. Holy Holy Cow I forgot about another team. Tennessee titans you know Here's a team that just barely snuck into the playoffs. They basically. took the the number six seed from the steelers down the stretch, but I mean they have a decent quarterback. They have a in Ryan Tannehill. They have the right now you would. You would guess the best running back in the NFL Derrick Henry so. That's a pretty good football team to. And the Texans. You know they're going to be battling out with the Texans for for AFC South, supremacy. To lose your of that race figures to to Contend for one of those three wildcard spot, so it's going to be a lot of. A, lot of teams vying for the postseason this year so. just because the steelers are better doesn't mean they're going to be good enough to make the playoffs based on on on the competition. They'RE GONNA have to face the AFC so that's the first reason why they might not make the playoffs in two thousand twenty. The second reason is. Too, many could be possibly too many distractions from the pandemic mean. We already know that. That they have moved training camp from from Saint. Vincent College in Latrobe to Heinz field by seem like a big deal to you, and and maybe it's not, but you know coaches and players. Athletes are creatures of habit. They they they're. They're They liked their routine right they. Are doing things a certain way each and every year, so if you, if you switch things up because of know things that are out of their control like the pandemic like the the protocols and. That have been put in place. You know that could. That could affect them right? You know and. How many how many of these guys are the whistle blows? They're to completely forget about. You know the ongoing pandemic, catching possibly contracting cove at nineteen from. from playing football. How many of them are going to forget about it? How many of them are going to have that in the back of their minds right? How many of them are going to be thinking about this? While they're trying to play, you know furthermore. How many of these guys are going to opt out? Because I think that's the? Players, are they? Agreed to that or they're trying to get that in writing that players could be allowed to opt out. Of the twenty twenty season, you know for health factor for health. Reasons have to do with Cope nineteen. So what if what if a star player ops out? Or what if a star player? Comes down with the with the with with this virus. You know. Maybe he doesn't have symptoms. Maybe he's not sick, but if he if he has positive, has dimissed a couple of games. That could be a big deal and what a? More than one player from a specific unit. LINEBACKING CORE TJ wanting but the pre. Test positive have to miss a couple of weeks. That's that could be a very big deal right so. You know. I've I've written in the past that I think if any head coach is. Equipped to. To help. His team through a time like this it's it's my because he's. He's brought them through some. Tough Times in the past and he's never lost his football team. You could say a lot of things about my common through his I was thirteen years as head coach, but he's never lost one of his teams. Never I mean Ben through all the Times one of his star players suspended or injured. You know last year with Ben Losing Him in in the in the second week. He never lost his team, but this is a whole new world for everybody right? I mean. There are football problems, and there are these kind of problems. and. It's GonNa be interesting interesting to see how each and every team handles it and not to mention. Those kinds of distractions where where? You can have players thinking about this disease and catching this disease coming down with this disease, and it cautioned player. Playing time, but but what about the whole? Idea of not playing games and empty stadiums. How's that going to change? The intensity of these games right I mean. Football's a very violent sport, and it's a very intense sport, and if you've ever seen seventies, pre-game rituals, he's players. Go go through I, mean they? They rely on emotion and get them through these games right I mean they're out there going one hundred ten miles an hour. banging into each other you're. Their enduring small. Car Crashes TIMES, each and every game. and. It would seem to me that that having the crowd behind. You're having the crowd against. You is a really great. Rush that that that helps. These guys get through a game. Get through a season. You know like I say get through, say you're at week seven or eight week nine somewhere late in the year. And you know you have to go out and play a game in a a an empty stadium. You know Are you going to have the intensity whether it's at home or away, or you can have the intensity to get through that game? Maybe you know without the crowd behind you or again against you, those bumps and bruises, those nagging injuries. You notice him a little bit more. You feel them a little bit more. You know so. Again there are any number of distractions that could you know from this pandemic? That could that could. Cause a football team to. To act in a manner that normally wouldn't act act in a way that normally wouldn't you know in a normal year so? You know just because common is very good at getting through tough times and I think he's proven that A number of times throughout his career doesn't mean he's going to be able to pull the right strings this year and and get his football team through a season. It's going to be unlike any other in the history of of the NFL so. That's another reason that could I could re another thing that can prevent the steelers for making the playoffs is Are Distractions from from this pandemic, so that's number two and number three. is every question of the of the steelers defense. You know I. Know It seems impossible. At this moment, the thing that the steelers defense could regress right because it seems like it's just getting started. And I. It's a young unit. It's it's. It has stars at just about every position now i. mean there's you know Cam Hayward's stuff onto it TJ, bud, Devin Bush now, Vince. Williams is a is a really capable. Player inside Linebacker Joe Haden Stephen. Minka you know so. There are stars everywhere, but you know, and and again just getting started, and they have a number of years have them before they start to regress, but you just never know you know. one thing about about. Coaches, coordinators head coaches, etc.. They're They're always looking for ways to exploit an opponent. They're always looking for ways to to find a an opponent's weakness. Right then they never stop until they find it right If you remember the the early two thousands in the steelers dominant defense. What was taken out by? It was taken out by the Cincinnati, Bengals, and who was the head coach at that time? About Oh one. Dick Lebeau he was in between stints as steelers defensive coordinator, but in that short time he figured out a way to to stymie the steelers. Pass Rush, and that was spread everybody out. And get rid of the ball quickly. the the bengals did that, and and even though they were having a bad year, they beat the steelers at the end of the year. The steelers were were a lot of teams in two, thousand and two picked up on. obviously most famously the the Patriots you know. They barely even tried to run the ball against the steelers and week. One of that year blew him out. I was after week two game at Heinz field against the raiders, rich Gannon I think he through like one hundred fifty passes all about two yards, and they had no answer for the raiders at whole night, right they they lost that game, too so and that continued all throughout the year, and ultimately cost him in the playoffs. They just could not off the field on third down, and this is a really good defense. This is a really good defense led by guys like Joey Porter and and Who am I missing name, show Jason, golden and Etcetera Etcetera. It was good defense. Casey Hampton. That's the name of of missing, so it was really good, defensively defense, but The opponents found its weakness and it took took that defense while recover. It took to fight back and. It did but. But two thousand two was a big struggle, even in two thousand one. It was maybe the best defense in the NFL Oh, to not so much so. that's. You know in in certain players just because they're pro bowlers in an all pro players like TJ. What maybe J. Watt has a down year for him, not for a mere mortal, but for him maybe as it down your. Maybe he gets instead of fourteen and a half sacks and he gets nine. Maybe bud gets eight right Maybe they don't. They don't take the football away at the same pace that they did last year. Which is what about? What two point two times a game. They had thirty takeaways last year. as somebody pointed out on behind a curtain I think it was all Rocco. The last ten years that a team has led the League in turnovers. The following year they regressed. I think I think. He said they had twenty four point five less. Less takeaways the following year, which would still be a pretty good amount for them right I mean if you go from thirty eight to say twenty, eight or twenty six, it's not it's not a bad. as a healthy number of takeaways, right? You know as long as they don't regret and the to the. To the average of nineteen, which is what they were. Putting up for about almost a decade prior to twenty, one thousand nine I think our average from like twenty twelve twenty eleven through two thousand eighteen rabbeting. Takeaways year, which is not going to get it done. I, don't see that happening. I. Don't see them. regressing. In the takeaway department I see them regressing in sacks, but you never know you never know the eighty five bears. One moment they were the greatest defense ever you know. They seemed impossible to stop. And then within a couple of years they were still pretty good defense, but they were, but they were exposed, and and and they never won another title so. That's another. Third reason that could keep them. I think that's one big thing that the steelers fans are counting on including me. Is steelers defense being every bit dominant as it was last year. And last year and a lot of ways you look at somebody some of the takeaways like that like the the rams game. The, The touchdown that make Mickey scored I mean that was like fifty fifty incomplete pass, but it was ruled a fumble. He picked it up. He took it back for a score, and that proved to be the difference for them and winning that game, it was like a a five point game. You know If that's ruled an incomplete pass. Who knows how that game turns out right? You know and. There were there were a number of of occurrences like that last year. That could have gone either way, right? You know so a lot of people think that the takeaway matter of walking I guess there's a degree to a truth that I mean up all the boss of certain way. you just never know I think it's going to be a capable defense I still think. In my opinion takeaways, you're a matter of of of. You know lining your roster with with playmakers. Nothing still have plenty of those now. Led by teacher, what Micky Fitzpatrick but. You never know from one year to the next. It seems to me there's no, there's no correlation. There's no consistency with with take at least not in today's NFL in in you know many years ago. before the West Coast offense, not things of that nature. It seemed like turnovers takeaways for more consistent than they are now, but but I. It's it's not the easiest thing in the world to to rack up thirty plus takeaways year after year so. Regression in defense. Of the defense could be another factor that that keeps them from making the playoffs and of course. And that leads me to my next example. Excuse me which would be a a an injury on defense to t j, what to a bud? The pre to a cam hayward to Joe Haden. Stars. Among the starters on that defense and I just named a lot of them right, but I think we. We knew going into the offseason. We knew going into free agency in the in the draft that. They were thin at just about every every position, not on just on defense, but the entire team but I'm focusing on defense since that's considered. one of the that's considered the of the team now defense. You know and as we discussed before. If TJ walk, it's hurt. WHO's GonNa? WHO's GonNa? Fill in for him and while he'd be effective, they were right now. You know there's three unproven guys of course Alex Smith. Who's WHO's a rookie? Totally unproven, and of course to our skipper and Ola Ola Denny two guys that have had exciting stretches into preseason, but they haven't really done a whole heck of a lot in the regular season at this point, so you know if. If, if one the outside linebackers goes down, you know that could that could spell trouble for for the defense, certainly for the the pass. Rush Right Even a defensive line which I think is the the deepest part of their defense You know you don't have your defined hargrave anymore I. Mean You have a? To really you know pro bowl level players and Cam Hayward in to it. But a guys goes down I mean you have Tyson to Lulu who's a a capable veteran? Really really good veteran, somebody you could trust for a game or two or three, but for an entire season. I don't know I mean I'm sure he'd do a good job, but he won't. Probably won't be nearly as effective as hayward or a to it you know, and of course we know about the how thin they are at safety. you have Jordan Dangerfield who did a great interview last week in this time timeslot. We go, but you know he's. He's basically a a backup and mostly a special teams player, so he has to play. A lot of steps as the starter, that could be trouble for the defense especially if he's replacing a guy like like Mingka Fitzpatrick, who is your? Who is your a all pro level starter, so go from an pro. Level Guy to a guy like Jordan dangerfield. You know that you know, and then, of course you have Antoine Brooks a rookie six round pick totally unproven You're you're you're? Even pretty thin at cornerback behind behind Joe Haden in Steven Nelson, you have. Cam Sutton. He's been around for a few years. You would think by this point. He'd be a able to fill in, and maybe he could for a couple of games, but how would he do for an entire season? You know. Would you have to move Mike Helton and they're one of those starting spots i. mean he's He's a smaller guy five nine. Is He capable of playing on the outside for a full season or even for a few games? We're just lane at his his his development right so. You know even if the defense is every bit as dominant as it was last year, meaning the you know from one through eleven, and maybe a couple of the backups. What happens if if a if a big time starter goes down if a major guy if you have a major loss. You know I don't think this defense totally off the table. Right I think there's just too much talent there for that to happen. It's not going to be like. Twenty seventeen when Ryan Shazier was was unfortunately lost late year with that devastating spinal injury I. Don't think you're GonNa you're gonNA. Defense would be exposed like that, but. without a TJ watt without a Minka without even a depre- or somebody like that if you Joe Haden at this defense lost one of these guys I mean you know it's not GonNa be nearly as effective I don't think so, and it would be, it would be. Ripe for the picking as far as being you know, exploit certain areas so. That's the fourth reason and of course. Maybe the biggest reason that they don't. Make the playoffs this year would be. The performance of Ben Rothlisberger I'm not talking about an injury I. think that goes without saying if big Ben goes down again, they're going to be in trouble. You know like they were last year. You know I, think a lot of people will will agree that. It was kind of a miracle. That they. Stayed in the race as long as they did without Ben in there, so. If he goes down. It's probably not even going to be that good this year, but although I shouldn't say that I don't want to. Talk myself into a corner because I've been such a big Mason Rudolph baecker hopefully he takes. A big leap but. You know that's a conversation for another day or maybe in a few minutes when I take questions, but let's say Ben is healthy, right? Let's see hundred percent healthy is elbow feels great, but he just doesn't have fastball anymore. You know it's been known to happen, right? You get to be a certain age and you just fall cliff. In terms of your talent. Whatever made him special. You know for a decade and a half. I mean you know when it comes to a hall of fame player in a guy who just an ordinary player, sometimes all it takes is is a losing ten or fifteen percent of your abilities talents, and and that's that's all you need to. Be a a you know a regular. Joe Right, so what if he struggles all year and never quite put together, says his, you know. His interceptions were up. For those for a few years prior to last year I. Think there's there's no. There's no question. Interceptions Ben. have been a problem dating back to. Midway through two thousand fifteen season when he came back from his his MC L. sprained right so. If. If a problem again this year I mean are they gonNA take him out if he's healthy. Probably not I mean I mean. How can you take your best player out? Especially somebody you're. You're going to be paying thirty three million dollars right so. You know it could be one of those years where where the fans might be calling for for Ben to be replaced certainly not going to do that if there's no reason to health wise so. If is. Old Ben said of Big Ben and you know it's pretty obvious that he's lost lost. His special talents. That could be another reason why why they don't make the playoffs. Loser Five! I think. Pretty. Pretty tangible reasons why they they may not make the playoffs and. If they're having struggles in any any number, those areas. You know you could be looking at another year where they go into week seventeen. You know at nine and six or eight and seven needing help get in, and as we've seen the last two years. That help probably won't be forthcoming so. Those are my five major topics of today and I also have a bone. This topic thanks to. The. Very popular bud debris and I say that facetiously because he's not a very popular player, it would seem a lot of steeler fans and. It was reported yesterday that that depre-, who who signed his franchise tag I guess back at the end of April. or I. Think many-sided either way. He signed it and you know He. He's GonNa play in twenty twenty, regardless of whether he makes a him and the CEO's come to an agreement or not going to play. In twenty twenty, the question is. Is Now the question is would be playing for fifteen point eight, million or seventy more at point eight million, because he, he followed agreements with the union to be designated as a defensive end instead of outside linebacker because. I don't know how this works. For certain certain positions are deemed more premium than others and defensive. End is considered a more premium position. And the NFL the Thailand Becker, and if you get if you get franchise tag. As a defensive end, you make more money so I guess. It's not an unprecedented move by debris in his agent Shaq. Barrett of the buccaneers he did. He's also doing that. You know so. It's not an unprecedented move, and it's probably like a like a small hair Hail Mary. You know if that's if that's in the language of the CBA why not go for it and a lot of fans from what I read yesterday on on the in the comments section. Of the article that was posted on behind it and a lot of fans didn't like it and. You know again. Bunch thought that the most popular guy as it is for whatever reason I guess. Because he wasn't. He didn't live up to his first round status over the first four years and finally. Finally had a breakout year last year, and a lot of people think that it was because it was a contract year, so he could. Just you know flip a switch, which if it were only that easy right? If we're only that easy why when you've done that his first year, but as a lot of people think and. My opinion about that is who. Who Cares if the priest gone after another two million dollars? He's not going to hold out I. think that would be. That's pretty obvious right now. If he was GONNA if there was a danger of him holding out. he wouldn't signed a tag right. You know. He was really concerned you know about. A long term deal and and not playing. Until he got one then he wouldn't have signed his tag Allah. Levy I'm bell two years ago and you know when he how all two thousand eighteen. So. He's GonNa play this year. It's just a matter of well. He win this grievance or not, and as far as I'm concerned between him and the steelers. I think when it comes to the fans. Are Our main concern. Our biggest concern is. The Guy The guy show up. Is He playing? Wants to season starts. And if he's not then we can get angry, but. You know this. Stuff's always going to be going on in the NFL in sports in general, because it's a business, right, it's a business and. and. you know. People are naturally going to try to get as much money as they can. While while while they can, and if there's an opportunity to to. To earn extra money. You know you have to try to do it I guess, right. I'm a perfect example of that. You know a few weeks ago. My car broke down. I didn't have roadside assistance. But called insurance company because I heard that they might be. Reimbursed me after the fact for my toe, you know I had my car towed a couple of hundred bucks. And I'd have roadside assistance, so it's on me right I. Why should I get reimbursed for that but? According to language of my insurance. My Insurance Agreement I might be able to get reimbursed. Maybe I do maybe I don't but but you know. Is it ethical for me to try to do that I? Don't know, but I'm trying so we'll see what happens. So. You know my bad guy you know. Don't answer that question. Maybe I am maybe I'm not, but I don't think the bad guy for for trying to go after an extra couple of million dollars. Fifteen point eight, seventeen more. What's the difference a lot of money and certainly not to hold out just because he didn't get that extra two million, he's GonNa play and he's an important member of the defense, so for word is he in the steelers are still far away on a on a long-term deal which I think we're all none of us should be shocked by that because you know if he's going to be. If, he's GONNA WANNA contract worth fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, million, a year over four or five years. Well, you know the steelers have to pay TJ. What and he's probably GonNa want twenty million a year. You're going to have that much money up into one position. We've talked about that before and you have jude you have. Cam Hayward yet. Minke coming up so I think the the the. The possibility of of signing bud depre- A, long-term deal was always a bit far fetched. You know I think we. A lot of people including me hope that would happen because I think he's a really. Gifted athlete and I think he's. He's still really young and I think he's just coming into his own and I think a lot of problems. His First Four Years had coaching you. He was coach directly by Keith Lascaux. Who Assumed? Duties as the outside linebackers coach after porter like oh so. it looks like he's coming into his own and he has. He's coming into his prime, so you know I. It's a shame that he's probably gonNA leave after this year, but he's still going to be here for one more year, so. We should be happy about that, and you know again whether he's making seventy point eight or fifteen point eight. What what difference does it make? It doesn't really affect the fans. It's between them. You know so. Those are the topics. I wanted to cover today and and now. Open up some questions so. Hopefully I, I was enlightening hopefully. I didn't talk too fast, you know. So I. Hope you enjoy what I had to say or maybe you didn't. Maybe you hate me, but maybe it was entertaining under the less so let's say you have to say civic. Find some really good questions. Here's one from Rhino Torch really another question. It's a comment. Then cap hit next season is going to hurt. Yeah, well, that's That's a very very good point I mean. You know. It's a reality with most teams that have franchise quarterbacks you know. We saw back in two thousand twelve but JOE FLACCO who he was upward line franchise quarterback, but he became, but he had his best. Stretch at. Just the right time and he did. Just what he needed to do at you know he was a free agent. He had the playoff run of his life. Eleven touchdowns zero interceptions. The Ravens won the Super Bowl. and. He cashed in and you saw you know. The Ravens struggled after that they struggled to make the playoffs after winning the Super Bowl, they struggled for five or six years. You know people forget that up until a couple of years ago. Big Way through two thousand eighteen season John Harbaugh was in danger of losing his job. I mean people you know they. They I've seen her ball listed. As the third best head coach and Mike Common Seventh in some recent ranking I forget who CBS sports or somebody did that. But you know. Harbor just two years ago, he was in danger of being fired now. He's the third grade coach in the NFL. Why because they got rid of FLACCO? They put Lamar Jackson in They freed up some cap space, and now they're able to take advantage of the NFL. Whereas the steelers are still dealing with the The realities of of of having a franchise quarterback on the books and you see it in Green Bay Green Bay won the Super Bowl ten years ago. You know and they've been contenders like the steelers have most have been contenders, but they haven't been able to get over the top because they haven't been able to put a a complete team. Together behind Aaron Rodgers because they don't have the resources for that same with the saints with Drew Brees, they wanNA, know nine. Your brees has gotten paid over and over again right, but the saints have been contenders, but they haven't really been back to another super bowl. You know some say they should have two years ago and they were screwed out of it, but still they didn't get there. You know and the chiefs should probably gonNA find out. the same thing with Patrick, Mahomes I've. Read I think it was a flip Fisher. Article maybe it was Shannon White. Maybe Dave I forget you know there's so many people on our site that do a great job on on a daily basis day. They mentioned how the chiefs are still in better shape than the steelers. Even after mahomes signed his megadeal for. Ten Years Four, hundred and fifty million whatever it is. but It's you know they're going to. You. Know Patrick. Mahomes plays ten years if he if he fulfills contract and why Whitney. Why wouldn't you get into the very heart of that deal before before? He loses his skillset I. Mean You know they're? They're not going to get rid of him in ten years. If he still an effective player so you know once he gets into the meat of his contract it. It's GONNA be. It's GonNa be hard for the the chiefs to put a Rosser together. So you know it's just the reality of it, so that's a good point. It's GONNA be a big deal for the steelers next year, but It's just that's just the reality of it. You know it's like with Terry Bradshaw our franchise quarterbacks. You can lose with me, but you can't win without me when you have a guy like that, you just have to pay. You have to pay the freight to keep them. That's just until until he either retires or just is washed up. That's just that's just how it goes. Let's see here what else we have here. See if I can find some old. As I've been rambling on less forty five or forty minutes. Seems like longer than that. Let's see. Here's one from as a while ago, ex. Oh, wait! No, he's acting somebody else. At some sorry, it's a broke into a private conversation. Shown me. Let's see some new comments down here. Yeah here. Here's another another good a good point from Rhino tool that was discussed on the site. Maybe budge agent is one that came up with the grievance idea, I'm sure he was I mean. These guys are are paid to look for stuff like that and again if you're not if you're an agent and you're trying to get every last cent that you can for your client and you're not doing your job, so you know. I mean we could. We could be angry at Bud depre- I'm not I again. You know as long as they show up and play, I really don't care you, know I, it's between them and the steelers. A couple of million, and yeah, you know it could hurt the calf I guess, but at this point it's two million dollars, and he's probably not going to win the grievance anyway, so you know Who? Who Really Cares You know I certainly don't. Let's see. Here's one from. Explore Your World Twenty nineteen. Montana Joe Montana famous quarterback for the forty niners won four super bowls. You playing in and I'm not even sure if he ever had an interception in the playoffs in this entire career. Yeah, he was a machine to machine in my money. He's wanting to top one or two quarterbacks ever left, but then again I watched him as a kid, so I think we tend to We tend to look at those the guys, it'd be washes youngsters more finely than when we get a little older and more cynical, but you know if I pick one quarterback. To lead my team on a last minute drive in an important game. Joe Montana would be on my shortlist of guys that I would consider because. I think he was you know they call them? Show Co for a reason. And here's a five dollar a five dollar super chat questioned from WHO I call our Robin masters of of the A podcast family because he's always donating big bucks I think he's a I think he might maybe a very wealthy novelist like Robin. Masters, I'm talking about the guy from Magnum Pi of course. Anyway here's the question and thank you for the donations a snowman. Do you think but a steeler next year I do not I do not. I was holding out hope but after. After what I read yesterday, not so much grievance, but the fact that he and the steelers are not close to a long term deal, and they only have told July fifteenth to to reach a long term deal before before they have to wait until the off season to negotiate again. No, I don't think he's going to, and I really didn't anyway. I mean it was more like a pipe dream. I am I am I and I really didn't think that he would ever be steeler long-term because you can't. You can't pay. You can't again you can't. tie up so much money in one position not when they have so many other. Players! They have to address and I think that's why. Alex Smith. Smith. Development. This year is going to be crucial. If! He shows anything this year any any. thing in his rookie year, and the natural ability is a pass rusher anything that they can build on I think the steelers are going to be are going to be a a pretty hopeful that that that he can jump in next year and take budget place, and hopefully become a better you know. Become a very good outside linebacker, opposite TJ. What because it's going to be TJ? What and a lower price guy from here on out I think it's just how that's just a reality of it. Let's see what is this here? Let's see. Rhino told Magnum Pi remake is really good, but the original original was better. You know but That's that's just. That's just the reality of of TV the reboot or are never as good as the original because we kind of. kind of know what you know. We kind of already know the essence of Magnum Pi. Right and You know it's your you know for that for its time. Magnum, Pi was pretty Pretty Innovative. Snowman might Montana's my top five of all time quarterback. Yeah, I think you know Joe Montana. Dan Marino. Yet to Throw in Tom Brady peyton Manning Bradshaw for winning four super bowls auto grant made it to ten championship games, joining United States I mean I can go on and on. You know it's a fun debate, the have. Joe Jim Kelly who never won one, but he made it to four super bowls which. Is No easy thing to do John. elway I mean Ben Aaron Rodgers. Brett Farve I mean there's so many quarterbacks that you can name Warren Moon. I can go on and on and on online. so yeah. But Montana. Montana all the top five I think he was an absolute. Machine. and. Maybe, the greatest playoff quarterback I've ever seen in my life. You know he was just he was fantastic. Let's see here I. Think I'll take one or two more then I will call it a weekend. Here's Ezra calling me out. I have to address this. I read your article. The cowboys what he's referring to is teams, said I root for besides the steelers, not not big time like I. don't go crazy and and jump up and down if they wanted to list I just I just appreciate their history and the cowboys are. Are are a team that I just can't help it. I've always enjoyed their history I just I respect. especially what they were able to do in the late sixties, seventies and early eighties. and. That's one reason why the ice bowl is. My favorite non steelers game of all time. I'm going to read an article about this and probably do a show about this. Sunday I mean. Here's the game that you know. Two teams read a crossroads. You know the the packers were. Basically at the end of the road with in terms of their of their nineteen sixties, dynasty and you know the ice bowl as you know, he's in minus thirteen degree temperatures. And the the packers needed every bit of an advantage. I think to to win that game and they probably they probably Forced her will onto the cowboys, they they they. They imposed her well. That's where I'm looking for. They imposed her. Will they were championship knew what it took to get it done, and that little bit of edge at the end of the game was enough. And the cowboys, why find them so fascinating is because number one I mean. They came close so many times they lost back to back heartbreakers, too. The packers in the NFL championship game in the late sixties. They lost a couple of years in a row in the playoffs, browns after that and the browns team back then I'm not I'm not you know I wasn't a? It wasn't an embarrassment. Bacteria lose to the browns in the playoffs. And then they lost super bowl, five colts, and they were clearly. The much better team in that game. They had no business losing that game. You know you see the famous image at the end of that game Bob Lilly the lynch legendary defensive end, throwing his helmet up in the air, like fifty fifty yards up in the air seemed after the colts kick the game winning field goal. And you know a lot of teams throughout history when they have a run like the cowboys and they they get close time and time again. And they keep losing. Eventually at our window closes, and they're just look at the bills. Look at the Vikings. There's so many teams out there. Look at the Browns, right they they come close time and time again. And they just don't get over the Hump and then there window closes and they're never. Never heard from again, excuse me but the cowboys. They just kept fighting. And eventually got over the top good over the Hump and they were a for two decades. People talking about the seventy four draught, the steelers four hall of famers. But the Kaaba was seventy-five draft. They called the dirty dozen because twelve players from that draft class. Made the squad including Randy white in Hollywood. Henderson and That's how the. Cowboys were like They had a nice decade long. Run up to that point. And You know probably about ready to fall off. And then they had that great draft in seventy five, and its spirit him on for another seven or eight years so. That's I just I. Just like their history, you know. Don't don't worry if it when it comes down to the steelers, cowboys. The steelers! You're up here in a cowboys. Your way down here but I just appreciate the cowboys history. And I just love. I just love watching old cowboys games I'm sorry I can't help it. You know you can. You can put me on trial I guess you know. In steeler nation. We'll see we'll see what happens, but That's pretty much today. I appreciate everybody joining me and hopefully I didn't. Make enemies for life of my cowboys rant, but it was a fun show and. I'm looking forward to talking to you guys again on Monday with Brian, so stay tuned to that two steelers Qa at five o'clock on Monday. It's going to be a fun night because we're GONNA do that. Show again ruined the retro show. So you guys all have a great day and a great weekend and talk to you soon.
"And. We have some breaking news here on I. Take this morning the Indianapolis Colts closed their practice facility this morning after several members of their organization tested positive for coping nineteen the colts, they are scheduled home game Sunday against the bengals. When you don't. Tom Brady particularly has one more Dow, but this game is over l arises. Don't tell them the keys dog. It's always comforting when you have quarterback of our caliber Tom gotta be Tom I'm going to be somebody different I'm not playing against planning is news. Hello everybody. Good Morning. Welcome to I. Take on this Friday. I'm Charlie Arnold joined by Max. Kellerman. We have Stephen a Smith. All of us in. Studio. For. The first time in a while you were out in. La. Playoffs, how remind me I didn't want to be back I. Mean I. Had to go out to Los Angeles I had a lot of things going on, but I must confess to you and Max Kellerman. that. I took some time and I met with a psychologist. A therapist rather to help me get through the depression that had to that existed because the finals was between Miami and La and the Games are in Orlando. Coast to let. Therapy did you discover anything about yourself? I discovered that you know I have a problem and and problem is an addiction. To Los Angeles and to South beach the combination of the two I was devastated I was depressed went through his. Past this problem with the you know I had to come home and just spend time with loved ones, family members and my I take family hoping that the cure me and Max. I have to say he broke Mahar he wasn't here. Max in the Hamptons and he wasn't here. And that just. Left me all alone. You know. So I'm still recovering, but I'm getting there maximum getting they're. To getting help is realizing that you have a problem. So thank you so much for doing that guys one evening I think that will cheer you up this weekend that bad man Aaron Rodgers has taken the field this weekend against the box and what about this one is going to be the last time we saw Tom Brady we saw him finishing the game having lost track. Of downs on primetime ceiling lost the bears the bucks now sitting three two and top of the NFC south along with the saints meanwhile that Batman Aaron. Rodgers, and the packers are perfect for no coming off a bye week with rodgers playing out of his mind the only quarterback with the Qbr over ninety at ninety two point five. So CNA, whose performances this game going to be. More about Libya about Brady or about Roger going to be about Brady and the reason why I think the evidence is there that three and two on the season the two worst games that Brady had a two games they lost the first game, the season, and the one that they just lost last week. The reality of the situation is that outside of those two games where. Tom Brady completely like sixty three or sixty percent of his passes respectively lied about sixty five percent of his passes or better than the three consecutive victories that they had when this dude is clicking and he's and he looks like he's clicking and playing at an elite level somehow someway to Tampa Bay buccaneers find a way to win whether that's gets Carolina Denver or the Los Angeles. We've got to take that into consideration we also have to take. We also have a license if we want to take for granted the greatness of Arron Rogers, what we see from him is what we're seeing from him we. that. We will see that from him. So you SORTA anti what he's going to do what he's going to do. The question is what kind of answers the Tampa Bay buccaneers going to have a response to that Chris Godwin has missed three five games this season he's their playmaker at the Wide Receiver Position Mike Evans a stud it but basically he's open when he's not open, he's not a breakaway of player per se he makes tough things happened in the beneficial fashion you can sit up there draped all over him. You'll find a way to get a catcher. Jay Hammond. The OJ, how was the camera breaks and those boys? Same same thing even though it's not to that degree Chris got went is the break away do? Tom Brady has not been with that weapon and I don't think if I remember correctly, I'm not sure if he'll be back but not this week but in the end, what it comes down to is. Questionable. The success of the Tampa Bay buccaneers is going to be predicated on Tom. Brady we know whatever Roger's GonNa do. The question is will Tom Brady be up to the task of matching and don't forget Davante Adams? We'll be. Right Well. The story line you're absolutely right. You've identified the storyline heading into the game, but in terms of whose performance will actually determine the outcome of the game. Tom Brady as usual since he went down that ravine, Stephen Ravine and luckily. From far away. Turns out. It was just the Raviv. beetlejuice is I can't believe that he needs glasses. You talking about a clip to ravine you if anybody would not every improved the Clinton and. Barrage. Of Benach Yalies. Go ahead. Tom Brady as usual in the last couple of years. It's not that he can't make throws when you need them to he's surrounded by offense weapons even with the injuries that a couple of tight ends is going to have one of his stud receivers is writing a defense. He has a real good coach and the defense, and that's what the bucks are about the bucks if you had to say, what's the signature of the bucks so far? This year at Devon's pretty good. Aaron. Rodgers playing on a team and Aaron Jones has been excellent. But he's been playing on a team who's defense is closer to Seattle's than an elite defense. They're not only ben but not break now they bend in break points that is not a stud kind of defense. It is incumbent upon. Aaron Rodgers yes. He's getting Davante Adams back. Who knows if Davante Adams would be one hundred percent, but he hasn't had recently when he's finding receivers all over the field that no one has ever heard of. It it's like if you replaced Aaron Rodgers with just any old quarterback, Green Bay packers team wouldn't be anything. We won't be talking about the packers now this about arod Rodriguez, the Aaron Rodgers show floor looked when guys the reason those no-name receivers are making catches. It's not just that Rogers has always been more accurate than Brady's always at a better arm right? It's that he's scheming these guys open lot of open receivers. So I give credit where credit's due the floor it's always. The quarterback in the coach. But in terms of the players on the field Aaron, Rodgers play will determine the outcome of the game. He doesn't have anything else to rely on his running back, but it's really rogers. WHO's GonNa do it if you replace them with someone else the packers or maybe a five hundred team maybe not even Aaron Rodgers were talking about the super bowl. Well, we've see what the Tampa Bay buccaneers all without without Tom Brady I mean, we know that I mean. James Winston giving us new meaning if the thirty for thirty I mean thirty interceptions and thirty touchdowns and all this other stuff new meaning with but he'll be back. So he'll be back some day in the near future and I think he'll learn error of his ways. But in the end, what it comes down to this, what you're saying about an rises a good point but I piggyback off of your. Earlier point prior to that Max where you talk about this defense, it bends a lot. If you look at the Green Bay packers and what they do, you know what you can exploit the for some degree. It's not a horrible defense by stretching imagination. But in the same breath, you can exploit them and in the end by the way, devante Adams is not a no name he's not a scrub he can. He can bow vow scanlon he can ball he's not a scrub they've got. So they've got resumes that shows what they can bring to the table. So I, got to pay attention to that in a case of the Tampa Bay buccaneers we understand who Tom Brady is and a bottom line is is that when you look at Bruce Areas and the way he likes to air it out, he leaves on his quarterback. He's well, he was willing to take chances James Winston? You know he's willing to take those chances with Tom? Brady. which we have seen already. So as a result of that, that puts more of an onus on Tom Brady somewhat dictate the outcome. Again, we're not disagreeing with your points about Rogers. What we're doing is taking it for granted and saying, right How Tom Brady as motivated as he could be gestured the debacle last. And Nick foles beating again by making the place when he had to put his team and field goal range and then Tom Brady not able to make the please and making a mental thinking it's he had another down. After chewing out in the middle. Mitigate. Covers bed. And shoot out as offensive line. This will be a highly motivated Tom Brady who looks like he will have Mike Evans you will have to of his tight ends so I get that but that's what you're saying we can take for granted Aaron Rodgers, going to be superman but if Tom Brady is superman, they'll win oh I don't know about that I think is talk radio plays. The boots will win I. I'm just curious. Do you think because of the bye week that any of the momentum has been maybe paused a bit on the side of the packers? No no I think the practice will be ready I'm anticipating that they'll win this game. All I'm saying is that the Tampa Bay to have any kind of change any kind of changed Tom? Brady. got to show up because Rogers is going GONNA show up because even when he doesn't show up, he's still looks like a guy that showed up Ra case Qbr through four games in the history of Qbr absolutely you know who's third on that list Tom. Brady Tom Brady. Peyton manning because these teams have never met in the playoffs. The bucks right now are ranked fourth to make the playoffs in the NFC, the packers second. So maybe a little crazy on this game to the bucks or are home underdogs by a little bit and so be a good one. We're all going to be watching last week mark the sixth Annual Kpmg Women's PGA Championship. Golf Club in Newtown Square Pennsylvania just outside Philadelphia as the first ever partnership between the LPGA tour the PGA of America and KPMG THE KPMG Women's Pga Championship. 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Lou, back in the driver's seat, having agreed to a five year deal to become the next head coach of the Clippers according to ESPN's Adrian Watson ASCII He is replacing Doc rivers who served as an assistant last season under which ended with the team of blowing a three to one lead in the Western Conference semifinals and losing the Nuggets Tyler who had tremendous success coaching Lebron James in Cleveland as we can all remember and now he has to very dominant superstars on his hands in Leonard and Paul George. So with that Stephen I ask you how do you think tyler should go about approaching the duo of PG and You gotta get. New. Face. You gotta get facing you gotTa demand by reminding them who the hell this supposed to be as opposed to focusing on who they are. Now, let me give you some background Max Kellerman and let's let's break this stuff down todd. Lou should have been the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers the Los Angeles Lakers. Essentially wanted to pick half the staff for him and obviously that was not a position that he respected. So he turned down that job frank. Vogel. Steps in and it turns out that Jeanie Buss Rob Pelinka made the right choice Frank Vogel who's a defensive minded guy acquiring Anthony Davis shortly after his arrival as head coach ended up delivering the championship major props to them, Lakers should be congratulated especially Jeanie Buss first female to do what she has done nominal. Okay. Now, we get to the clippers. Dot Rivers is a great coach. I don't believe that it was right that he was let go because of the pandemic stalling the season. Especially when Gaza didn't even WANNA come there. But nevertheless, you were there for seven years and you never got to a conference finals. So you're going to have a lot of people that don't make that argument especially at the end of the day when they were reporting in Orlando that you saw Guy Sorta rolling their eyes and being somewhat dismissive of him because they had heard his voice. So many times they need a new voice tie Lewis the new voice because Todd Lou does. Not Play Tyler, who is the person that will tell the Bron-. Shut the hell up. He's the person that will get in anybody's face. He's the kind of person that look at. Linnet it'd be like you'll menace man handle those excuse me excuse me this. Yeah. Understand you're going to be ready to the playoff average thirty eight, thirty, nine minutes Matt Waco Myth no gains the problem is he's the double negatives, but the problem is this. You missing, Games during the regular season, you missing practices so to chemistry and the cohesiveness that we need come playoff time, we don't ask how would I know it because I want a championship with a superstar i. kind of know these things a heated do that Paul George Star but this levels to this this superstar status that's not where you are. You could be there but here's some of the things that you need to do and you gotta get tougher. And you can't check out can't be overwhelmed. Epidemic and all the celebrities that are going on. You can't do that and when you do stuff like that, it's going to matriculate right on now to the rest of the team because any here's what it comes down to. There's a billionaire who's got a new arena where old L. A. Forum. Yeah. Right. Near will only former. Inglewood. They got huge expectations if they ask the fair weathered stepchild in La if they would outweigh before you know how it is. Now when Lebron and a house as the reigning defending champions, you have to have personal pry to a degree where you are answering Nicole Kawai limit the knock against him. Max was not that he wasn't a great play not he wasn't top-five we know we could do. Co. Island is considered relatively indifferent. He does his job. He does nothing to galvanize the folks and bring them together Paul George. One of the nicest due to the world. Maybe that just ain't his personality, but he's not accused of being indifferent kawais accused of being indifferent todd. Lou Ankle have that and that's why believe he's right coach the job outside of his basketball knowledge and his resume. In terms of how I agree with what you're saying in terms of how we should approach that do oh, look when you're Leonard when you're not vocal when you don't do things that you mentioned, you have to lead by example, which he almost always does but he had his game seven meltdown like secondhand fourth quarter game seventy went away. It's hard to lead by example I mean. When, you have to lead by example, you better show up answer the bell every single time Paul George is the issue. Let's be honest. That's the issue Paul George was not good enough in these playoffs and by the way all the hand wringing about Kawai and all that stuff. If Paul George winters played like an all star the playoffs they probably would have faced the Lakers and maybe giving them a good series but but he's not that's why he hasn't really been a superstar quite waiting for that to happen I think it's you know we're going to be waiting forever. It's just not quite who Paul Georgia's Paul George, an all star plus he's Not An MVP not a superstar but when was he closest to that and you brought it up the other day? Who'd you give credit for Paul George Best Season with okay. See it's Russell Westbrook. Right? He knew this guy has to be elevated and that's the real issue with the clippers right now they don't have a point guard. You think about Kawai Tony Parker, Kyle lowry won championships. They need a point guard who can create off the dribble create for his teammates a like Rondo for the Lakers. Even if you don't get to an MVP guy or super star guy a guy who can do do it when it county are considering Rhonda they should. Be Who who can organize that offense and put Paul George especially in positions to succeed Kawais, the type of dude for the most part, you can give him the ball and say take us there and he can go get his own shot and he can hit a shot can hit difficult shots and even better yet find easy shots, right? Paul. George in the play offs need Rondo type to get that done. So in terms of how Tai Lue handles that duo, I agree with you that could be as approach. But if I were Tyronn Lue I go to the Front office and say we need a point guard I like Patrick Beverley he's not. That kind of point guard they clearly need a point guard everybody knows it and Kawhi Leonard privately his climate for one. It's not that he wanted to get rid of Patrick Beverley but Patrick Beverley is basically a defensive ace who's to WHO's small and has to play shoot and play opposing God. So they need a point guard that can run a team could shoot Patrick Beverley defensive energizer bunny that comes off the bench and do it for you while clamoring for that but it's important to point this out. Max Kalemie, you got the greatest point guard in the world it pull Georgia's alone in the right corner and hits the side of the backboard while. While the Denver Nuggets on. One run at nothing an. An avalanche has weight and you follow it up with brick at the at the break. This nothing appoint got to do this. Now his whole kids the other part about. That I wanNA give to you. I'm GONNA hold wildland and more accountable than you. and. It's not just because the game seven. It's because since you are the face of the franchise and the leader of the franchise, right it's not enough for you to do your job. See when we talk about the greatness of Lebron James, this is where Lebron. James has a totally bona fide. He's totally justified and having an attitude with the world that doesn't appreciate this about him is great as he is. Max. Points this out. He does all he can't appeal out the greatness from others. Kowa this two words that have been used about him in different and selfish. They say the selfishness breeds from the difference the fact that you don't seem to prioritize galvanizing the folks around you means that essentially you're more concerned about you. Than anything let me let me just can't do. Go ahead. To do that, and that's what I wanted to let. Let me just say I appreciate that and real differences. Lebron has been the chosen one since he was identified as a basketball genius as a child right coup. Why is board man gets paid? Let me grab these rebound. So I can make the league they entered the with very in very different ways much less was expected of. Charlie's right. He's never going to have a personality transformation. He is who he is, but maybe it does need to be impressed upon. Kawai. Maybe Bhai. Tie Lou and by the way is become a much better passer but it's not even about the fact that Lebron's more of a point guard than Kawhi maybe it needs to be impressed upon Kawai. What needs to be higher for him in his list of priorities is bringing a team together in any way he would say this to you though. We have seen people throughout history have personality transplants at work. Personally, on a personal level, you are who you are. But when you show up to work those couple out, you can have an infusion of something. If you're convinced it works it's very chain. And his personal life I. Never talks to anyone he's buried withdrawn from what is the camera goes on hold. That's right now that's that's absolutely and I know it and we're both joking about it but I- shockingly I can be quiet sometimes but you certainly wouldn't know that when you're. Off. Trust me. How am I to have any? Do you on camera I got all of this off camera I know when to shut the hell up and chill out and be mellow natural born leader. That right but you got. This? You GotTa be you got your money if you've got the bag and you got the chips and you got the resume, you got care enough to sit up there and peel something out of other people. Yeah. So why has to do that Rondo and fix that? We'll see if title can fix that liberals believe he would. You lose resume speaks for himself on the wrong wrong when he? Finally Head coach. And a heated and at times downright ugly rivalry, it's going to take place Sunday as the foreign browns make their way to Pittsburgh to face the undefeated dealers. Baker Mayfield has been limited in practice this week with swore ribs it's injury happening last week's victory over the colts the browns they're now tasked with slowing down Big Ben. Rothlisberger was playing with total command of his offense after sitting out only the whole season except where six quarters last year. So a couple more things that I want to add I also WANNA welcome and Ryan Clark to the conversation here Ryan how you doing. So good. So a couple of things to add the browns currently do have sixteen game losing streak in Pittsburgh also something to add Odell Beckham. Junior. was sent home yesterday from practice he wasn't feeling great justice as. It takes about A. Negative cove in one, thousand nine. So he should be good to go on Sunday. So. Let me with you. To have the best games big Ben or Baker. Mayfield. It's actually Ben. Rothlisberger The steelers don't have equality win yet. They're undefeated and win is a win right. But if you're breaking down your analyzing power rankings or whatever who if they beaten, that's any good grounds are pretty good. They're going to have to beat a pretty good team and Baker needs to play. Well, I'll leave that for you Stephen A. But the main thing about them with Baker is don't let them play too much. Don't leave it up to bigger protect them a little bit right. So they can run the ball and even with no nick, trump Kareem hunt is. Damn. Good And myles Garrett get stripped sacks and stuff like that. Big Ben's good like they haven't. They have a defense obviously in Pittsburgh and they can run the ball was connor but clay who Juju Smith Schuster remember when we were like, Stephen I'll give you credit like we know of Judaism number one. It looks like a number one to make. Actually without a B, he wanted a number one. Let's honest. He needs another guy on the other side who can really play to bring out the best in him. He has that incapable now. But. Someone's got to get the or plastic. That's right against against a defense that can force turnovers and get to the quarterback. Someone's going to have to get those guys the ball it's not gonNA be rolling over an easy team here. It's not the same old browns coming to town then Rothlisburger I. Commend Him. He came back after a catastrophic injury with a lot of time off he's looked excellent so far but. Against, very. Limited opposition he has to be excellent against a good opponent now for the steelers to win this game, I, disagree with you, I think the more the person that has to have the better game as Baker Mayfield. But before I say all of that Ryan Clark, can you help me out here? Who was the idiot Cleveland Brown? That talked about this is the myles Garrett game. Is A game like Karima. Just idiot I'm not calling him an idiot. That's an idiotic statements. Listen myles Garrett sits up gets himself suspended for the rest of the season because snatching a quarterback's helmet to knock him upside the head or trying to knock him upside the head with we try to move past. You remind the world of that. Now how intelligent deck? That's just dumb. Well, there's a reason his on the browns now and still oxygen. I mean that's just dumb. Okay. You sit up there remind the world that we talk to move pass it just think about football opponents going at one another and this guy brings it up light Mas Derek victim like myles Garrett was a victim stop it. Okay. That's number one number two. Here's the deal about Baker. Mayfield, and we have to accept this Baker Mayfield is not the reason to Cleveland, browns. Have won four straight. Kareem. Do that agile mortified carry nick prior to that I'm sorry Ashburton. Damn. Near six yards carry Beckham junior job is legend. He's what mean Kevin Stefanski make sure that Baker Mayfield ain't throwing the damn. Day think of intuitive wins Baker Mayfield. Completed Sixteen of Twenty three of his passes that sixty nine point fifty, seven percent. Okay. They want both gate then they had to throw the ball against Dallas thirty tar. Focused their. Students. The percentage dropped and then they had throat. Tom Last week. About fifty, six percent of the more Baker Mayfield throws the. Day Joe Losing. The Damn game it's. Not a good thing. Why is that relevant? You're proven my point why is that relevant because the steelers have the number two ranked defense against the run? Okay in order to beat them, you need to throw the football and that would mean that Baker Mayfield got the cell up got to step up because the one thing still is GonNa do is let Kareem Hunt or antibiotic from that back deal beat them. They're going to make you roll the ball, beat them through to take them. And that means Baker Mayfield is gonNA. Show up in order for them to pull that off and less Kevin's defence all of a sudden. It has Odell Beckham Junior and Jarvis Landry. Throwing pass on flickers and stuff like can throw now I know they can throw but I'm just saying. Or something like that off rather than a Baker Mayfield go hey ryan. Listen. I. Thank you. Both make good arguments. Steven A. You were kind of Max argument. Then you came back and brought it together. That's why you're great on TV. But I'M GONNA have to agree with Max here to me. It's been rothlisburger and I think for many of the reasons Max mentioned but also because of this ben hasn't necessarily played great, he hasn't been that pro bowl form of the form. We saw him in two thousand and eighteen before he left but he's coming alone. He's also on a team that depends on him much more than the Cleveland browns depend on Baker Mayfield you said it right about me field Steven Kevin Defence number one job is to manage Baker Mayfield to Kevin's. Kirk cousins is Bacon made Breaker Mayfield and that's what he's done. He knows how to win games without allowing Baker Mayfield to play quarterback. We watched him to do that against the Indianapolis Colts and early on in the first half, he was trying to throw interceptions and then in the second half he did. But let's look at the Pittsburgh steelers. In the way they play offense whether it's Juju, Smith Schuster Chase Klay Pool Deontay, Johnson, they want to run through bid Rothlisburger, Eric Bryan in radio, and so what that tells me is you have myles Garrett who'll be hunting Ben Rothlisberger all game don't worry about the fight don't worry about stuff with Mason Rudolph worrying about the way that you are going to him because Ben Rothlisberger is the reason that you win this game defensively they headed stopped people defensively they haven't. Turned the ball over like they did last year and go back to the colts game last week Stephen. The coats are very good defense to the coats were very good against Roy and Kareem Hunt deering Johnson dot show here those guys have been able to turn out yards in spite I mean with nick choke sideline. So I think for this Cleveland Browns, you stick to the same thing you always do you run and run and run and go over the top but Ben Rothlisberger has to lead the Pittsburgh steelers. First of all, you're wrong and I know you know football you forgotten more than. But you are wrong but it's not. Me That is not what bothers me are about what you said it's not that you're raw. Desperate but. You are A. Champion. Law. Because you will play defense for Pittsburgh's Taylor tape that didn't allow people to run on them. I. Just highlight the you out of steel it's up. To In the entire. Against the run with me in order to beat them, you have to have and you. And you just send up to. Cleveland listen what you gotTa do what's been working for you run the football football when no one runs on this Berg if you're. You statement. Gold water, black, and gold you want to sit. Around with a goat with ring what a ring because of that branch Dot Yuko sit up. At big. Well. How could you make? Better than this. So May. Still listen you're trading the steel city, you're betraying them you. WanNa take. Here's the thing. Here's the thing Baker Mayfield. Big. Because they are good against the run or does he just have to get the ball to owed Dell and have all? You guys. Because Odell catching eight your pass and take it to the right which means you've got a better chance of getting the ball to Dell giving it to Kareem. Meeting. Dao playing well. Stephen we were missing is this though the run game is going to lead to whatever the Cleveland browns do Baker Mayfield doesn't have to play well, the Cleveland browns have to play well around Baker Mayfield because that's the way they want gains if Ben Rothlisberger. Does Not show up if been rob Burgers does not play great against the Cleveland browns protect the football score points push the ball down the field the Cleveland. Browns. Game and will win game. Nothing. Lebron. That they're not going to be. PART ARE NOT GONNA Do what they're supposed to do. Committee Bill To throw a football. The steelers not. Teams. Worse. When we but that's why I'm picking the steelers to win the game here but I'm saying, does it have to throw the ball down the field thread the needle as I said, you can throw a little pass to Odell Odell can make things. I I didn't get particular about what kind of Andrew. Most, but then on its maximum right here. So. We have to go over twenty three. Still, make any over twenty three and throws they lose the Game Jay. Van What did I stutter traveling? Turnover battle. In clear literally. In clear in the Hey. Ryan let's listen. Pittsburgh. Sixteen straight losses in Pittsburgh Well Ben Rothlisberger against Cleveland all career twenty-three to in one. Against Them. Never lost against Cleveland at home. OBE everyone's ready for this huge matchup Tamar one of the best pound for pound champions and Basilica Chango going up against a rising star in a female Lopez and we would like to now welcome in boxing analysts also good friend of the show Teddy Atlas help breakdown this upcoming fight this weekend teddy how you doing today. Good how you doing when the only thing I look forward to more than a fight like this having cheeseburgers with my Two guys back. Charlie nothing could be better before I got paid to debate with. Stephen A my first job professional job on TV in ninety eight going back twenty two years was arguing boxing with Teddy Atlas. The Guy. The Guy who has to argue with Teddy Atlas and. His. Declaration Max just admitted on national television. He hasn't won a debate in nearly a quarter. So. Let's go. To capitol. because. I WanNa know what challenge lies ahead for Lopez this upcoming weekend. Will challenge to challenge of fighting the for me my summation, the pound for pound bus fighter in the world. The Hembo Crawford you choose it. It doesn't matter. You could flip flop either one of them. They're the two top guys to challenges to get his bomb to the target yet like custom out on my mother used to say you know teddy haven't powers great. What if you don't have a means to get it to the target? It has no value. It's like a military weapon uses site. If you don't have a missile, it just pulls up and makes a big hole in the ground. So that's the challenge get it to. The talking get into the Chen or the body is might be a good idea where the guy who moves dead so much but get it to the target with low tranquil when he's in the of target and when he makes you miss is coming right back and he talked to knew something. So keeping together mentally with with all that going on with all the chaos stop coming at you and don't get discard go get frustrated every he's hard to hit I was looking for that because I needed intensity when you come up. With flat to see it. Let me ask you this question. I listen to you on get up this morning and I liked the prediction about Lohman Chanko by decision. But I'm saying this, it's one or the other to me. I think tank. O by decision. Or Lopez by knocked out like the seventh or eighth round just catches them when you think about Lopez and what you what seen even though he's had more fight for just as many fights. Islamic takeaways at this point do you expect experience to be an issue in this file? In better. be of woman ankles, GonNa win it better be. I mean, otherwise you go with Youth and power punches though now may on and this Guy Mopus was born to bunch and he's got one other phone, Stephen and Max. He might be a pack, Yell Lopez in away that power in either hand, but his closing step his ability to. You know kind of like an athlete in football basketball any those sports where it's not about one of the forty it's about the quickness is about the. The birth he's got that birth not everybody's got that birth where he can be turned out of rage and then right he's enraged she's right on top of that is the thing that's so dangerous about Lopez. How Fares he can close that gap. So Yeah, Lo and Jacob better uses and spirits, and there's no margin Farah none. So he's going to have to really be at his best at thirty two years of age and you know what? I don't judge fighters chronologically I jugs as like a car how many miles does it have on it? You know it's not a matter of how old it is. Miles on the old Domina of Lohan. Juggle four hundred amateur fights. I. Don't get hit much but he's been hit he and lately he's started show that maybe May and I love them. But maybe he thought foot chatel just a little bit he got dropped by is a couple of weeks ago and he got he got shaken a little bit by Campbell and I want to talk about first of all four hundred amateur fights one loss any event that lost twice in the amateurs anyone two gold medals it's ridiculous but Luke Campbell Norris show you that. Not, really a lightweight Tayo, female Lopez easy to root for these these terrific fighter and a great kid easy to root for. is a really more like junior welterweight fighting lightweight. Check featherweight junior lightweight moving up lenora Campbell by the way Campbell a gold medalist and Lenore is an excellent fighter they bothered. More than these normally bothered their range ear kind of fighters they have heighten reach that's not a feeble but low chant goes complimented females IQ teddy how female us that boxing Iq to help him deliver that power. With faints. If he does cold punches and you're on the right track back. You're more than just a guy that eats a cheeseburger well. Definitely. On the right track you you can't vote cold punches at a magician at a guy that becomes a ghost in you're gonNA miss and you're gonNA miss you're GONNA get counted. You've faded a little bit get him to make his move prematurely a little a splint Michael second sooner that he intended to a little faint he moved by then you for your time. That's what you gotTA. Do you gotTA BE SMART? You have to elevate as your touch on new cerebral game where you're doing At the top of your game where you're not just going in there and trump and budgets you do that you get taken apart by tangle. Steady. Lopez have to catch Lohman Chanko or do you think he has the skills necessary to them and beat them down because he's the bigger fighter with the bigger punch? You know that's a great question. Stephen and I'm going to say that every just going in there. To Mall Them. Well, then he's going to be missing. Because Norman doesn't get more. He's got the best legs in a business not only does he have the best head moment the best legs his father when he was young men him do something and feel like do you guys wouldn't have wanted to do it? He made him stop boxing and take dance lessons. And that's what made him do. I Dunno Max. You take sides since when you Don't want to take. I. Know he's taking dance last he dances I'd say, Hey. What he's. He's Yes. Dancer but. Listen Lohman shared goal Stephen, does it give more so of the attitudes to Mowlem well, that is going to be missing is going to get out box that was going to happen but to your question. If he wants to be able to bounce alone struggle to be able to play A. Game of be able to do more than just go out there, and we'll go out there and have to knock them out. I think somewhere along the line, he's got hurt Loehmann's changle and reverse the roles flipped descript way gets low and Chango to have to take chances not counterpoint so much to have to take the risk a little bit and then. Both Lopez gets a chance to show his other boxing skills but I think he's got a hurt him. In order to do that petty I look at a fight like this. Big. Favorite, he's a three to four two one favourite because he's so supremely skinner than I think I'll tell you the truth. The danger is dangerous dangerous. For. Boxing history and I think about some fighters. Guys quit proud champions like Gandhi Al, war or Nicholas Walters the men a lot of guys will just like before the avalanche came I don't take this beating it's about to happen they quit I don't see. Te'o. Is that Kinda? Guy One you have match ups like this one of two things can happen if the older guy schools the younger guy, it can ruin the younger guy or the younger guy can. Come out of it better because he went to school on the Guy I, think of like even Alexis Arguello beating up boom boom Mancini Mancini afterwards took a beating, but he came out of it probably a better fighter if that starts to happen to Fem- Oh, do you think that a fight like this can make him better or is he being rushed and it can ruin him if he gets outbox thoroughly. and. It's a great point to Max and you're very true history has proven to be true. They're all fights VAT of fighter will lose on his way up and it will make a better fight ahead get to that big fight head lose it competitively won't get blown out of the water and gained things to tools the mental and physical tools that he needs to get to the next level to really the the thing you're really talking about is. To learn, you could depend on yourself to learn. Gibb belong. A lot of people don't understand they said vitamin you. Re Blooms. They don't know until they know. If they belong at that level and Max you right on the button that's what you gotta learn. But I'm GonNa take you back a minute Max and I think you're on the right track one, hundred percent but I think Lomo I think that Lopez already had that lesson against the Japanese fighter of to go you know he he didn't look great. He went twelve rounds everyone thought he was going to blow them out like it was blowing. Everyone else out I. think that that that's the reason I think he has a chance against Chang without that fight I don't think he would've maybe looked as good against call me as he did he was sensational and I don't think he'd have a chance in this fight with low and changle but he does because he went through the process you describe and you described to beautifully but he went through that process with the Japanese fighter where. He could go the distance he yeah he goes go the distance and he learned good depend on himself. He learned that what he didn't hurt somebody didn't somebody out. He could still he could still win. He could still he could still be there what he needed to do as a fighter he could still behave. Like a fighter he learned that against the Japanese fighter and I'm thinking that lesson now into this fight. Yet will no doubt a very big night for both of these fighters will be very interesting to see who comes out on top Loma Chango. Lopez tomorrow night on ESPN. Got It. Then I'll be looking for teddy afterwards to. See You tomorrow, Twentieth.
EPISODE 92 -- DARRELL WALTRIP PART 1
"Hello my name is Rik Houston and welcome to the scene. Volkov cast your source all things NASCAR history presented by Q. Wear maintain excellence. I look back at some of the things I've said and did I'd probably had to whip that guy's ass. I'm just telling Bobby didn't live. I didn't live. And Bobby put me in oil on the first lap of the race. He wanted me to drive their car. She got essentially. What did you tell them? I said I told my what interesting she said. You turn his car right down David Pearson. He was running second. I left him and I thought I I'm sure now. Did they. Day Nascar and all associated in any way when asked forget it's passed today. We don't have any hello. I'm Steve weighed in. My name is recused in welcome to the scene. Bought podcast presented by Q. Where N Steve? I gotta ask. Did you have a chance to see? You mean that are racing event from north spread on Sunday. I sure did I car. Good part of it. I tell you what that computer simulation stuff is at on real man. I mean that was North Ball and the day a really was on town. You some of the shots that they showed. It was just like being there. I'm ask you that. Press box. The view of the media parking lot where I spent my longest night. Ever the view of the back gate where I kinda sorta maybe almost proposed Janey that brought back a lot of memories. And that's what the deal is for that. North Wilkes for effort on our racing was pretty special again. Everybody else's thanking junior for doing it but I'm GonNa add my two cents in sight. That was a awesome awesome projects. It really was. I think that entire I racing series has been entertaining for the fans and certainly a lot of them got into it and a lot of the drivers have to no question about it now. Have you seen the nineteen eighty seven cars that they've added? They've added that not to ninety seven Chevy Monte Carlo. And they've also added the nineteen eighty seven or thunderbird the examples that they showed were painted like Dylan hearts not take eighty seven car and bill Elliott Zapped in a seven. I saw that I saw that. Very impressive now. Is All this enough to make you sign up for racing and made you start racing each other. I don't think so I would like to try it. I'm laying offender to you buddy. You Go Right Ahead S. O. Steve this week in our first segment you and I talked to Darrell Waltrip for it was almost two hours. I think right at an hour and forty five minutes. We talked to him resume. I'M GONNA be honest with you. I'm still not sure that we even scratched the surface but do hey was such a huge part of this for for so many years stay. What was your impression of the interview? I'll tell you why I think there'll enjoyed I really do. I think had a ball talking about his past and all the things that have been involved in and he was very forthcoming very honest. Very candid. no-holds-barred whatsoever. I thought I enjoyed the conversation very much and I could see it. Steve in the first segment of the interview that we did he talks about getting started in the sport he talks about a relationship that he had with but more he talked about his talkative ways and out sometimes that got him into a little bit of trouble and finally he did talk about daugaard and his relationship with them and finally we did discuss his nineteen seventy nine championship and just follow. Short to Richard Petty in that deal and that was a very very interesting year for Darryl nineteen seventy nine. It was a chance for him to win a championship and with guard. Now I say that because watch his later relationship with was like wasn't remotely as competitive or as friendly as it was seventy nine Steve then in our second segment. We're going to go back to the July twenty first. Nineteen seventy seven issue of grand national saying that was one of the very first issues very very early on in Grand National Saint Story Darryl one in a crazy finish Nashville. It was almost as crazy as like spades nineteen eighty Arca races toner and then afterwards. Let's just say that Grand National Same Founder and publisher Rob Griggs was not happy with Darrell Waltrip. After the rice good grief Man Lee made that very plain but I will say it now ahead of time what rob wrote back then was exactly how many people were thinking about. Darrell at that time. Well I think it speaks to WHO Darryl was at the time in the late nineteen seventies. He really did some people off where him he came across as the Muhammad Ali racing. No question about it and that did not sit well but a lot of fans but as we learn they'll plan and maybe that plan went a little bit too far and he did speak to that and so that was a good part of the interview and stay finally this week. We've actually had a pretty good wake on patriotic way. Have New support from David Light Edwin Turner and Jeffrey Jones. So David Edwin Jeffrey. Thank you for becoming a part of the TAME. Thank you for becoming a part of our support network. Who helped make this podcast in the Youtube Channel? Everything that we're trying to do. Thank you for helping. Make that possible so supports on. Patriots supports on paper support key where are presenting sponsor and support? Ryan Caleb again just like our patrons supporters Q. Wire Eric Bryan Kehl speedway screens. They help make this podcast possible in way. Do truly appreciate that. Now if you WANNA help us on Patriots on you can do that at Patriotair Dot Com Slash. The same podcast. Or if you'd rather just do a one time show support. You can do that at pay. Pow DOT NI slash the same podcast? W You ran your first several cup races in nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy three. Was there a specific moment or race when you felt like you've made it in the sport or was that something that developed over Tom? Well I I tell you what was amazing I had that mercury. I bought that mercury from home in a moody. I didn't know at the time. It was sixty nine mercury when I bought it from home and Moody. I didn't know until Jake. Yoder came to work for me that it was actually the car That Mario Andretti had won the Daytona. Five hundred in it started out. Its life as a sixty seven fairlane of course back in those days you just put a different body on it or update the body or whatever so I bought it was sixty nine mercury Iraq that I took it over to Hutcheon Pagan and they turned it into seventy-one mercury cyclone like the woods brothers run in my first race was Talladega. People always say well. Why did you choose Talladega but calls? That's when we got the CORDEN car was ready to go expirations. Donald WE WENT TO TALLADEGA. Which ironically was the last place at the Holman Moody had run car with a guy named Ralstonia believers name was qualified third or fourth. And something happened to the car and they fell out of the race but anyway bought the car. Day Jake Yoder. I rented him from letting pagan he was working over there. he'd been pettis. They came and work on the shop at Hudson Pagan. Anita somebody to help me. So they cuts in. Bik Car for me. Put Seventy one body on me said Jake a car jake's crew. He's been cruelty. Why don't you take him with you and help you stay out of trouble a great so jake is my crew cheap? We go to Talladega. I gone down to. I lived My father-in-law lived in Kentucky. My sponsor was terminal transport. Which was the company that fallen in Laws Company owned trucking outfit out of Georgia Hall cars and stuff you carve out of out of Detroit Shied Terminal Transport on the car. I'd gone down to the local Law had gone down to the local owes mobile dealer and bought me. A truck is a it was a coffee. Maxwell House coffee trucks and no line truck it did you know international as was kind of a piece of crap but you know it worked for what I needed. And so I- load everything I had in the back of that truck. I I jake air. We roll up the back door. And Jake looks in the back of the truck or she tools going down to western auto. This no lie with Western auto when Owens borough and bought a small Senate in two things. I thought we'd need and I had does from tires that had come with the car and I had no spare I had. I had no spare parts and in J I thought he was just GonNa leave me right there. Just turn around walk away. But he's all right. Well we're we'll we'll deal with it so loaded. The car got to tech. Everything went fine guide into racing. You may St Prime members as I don't know ricky may not that particular race was erased when goodyear at this added instead of running the slick race. The tire that they've been running their. They came with a treaded tire like they ran everywhere else well. That traded tire turned out. To be a problem. The Guys Could Petty Pearson House. All those guys. They run about ten laps. Tired of blow to pieces become a part. The car I had an tired I had four the car. Where the old Talladega slicks so? That's the tires we add. And Jake was mad about that from the get-go you're never going to be competitive around those higher tarver junk. Nobody's running those tired. All the good guys are on and treaded tire said. That's all I got it. I can't afford to buy anything. We're going to have to run these so two guys had those same tires. May and James Hilton. We Start and I I. You know I'm a rookie. I don't know anything I mean. I've been raised in Nashville Salem. All it short track I'm Talladega two point. Six Miles superspeedway never saw track that big of my life. So what the hell not doing here. But anyway they start to race in the first thing you know mavs passed passed David Pearson. Richard I pass Buddy Baker pre wrong with these guys up. Jake you gotta remember something that Jake had a really bad reputation for being known as cheater so my first thought was well. I guess because I know we must not have a plate. They must select restrictor plate off. This motor no way I could be passing. Those guys is easy. I didn't know they were having Dr. Dre join away. I ended up in Hilton James Hilton. End Up in a heck raise Probably could have won that race if I had engine trouble at Lakeway said engine trouble. Hilton went on the one to race and I left there thinking. This is a piece of cake. I mean I go to my first race. I'm passing the big stars I could have won this race. I Many I'm not waiting. So seventy two was really kind of a good year. We WE JAY CAN I. He came to work for me and we we ran I think six or seven is Charlotte in a fall race. The third at Nashville so the car. I had the engines. I hadn't everything I had at the time. We're pretty good and of course I'm young and what you don't know you don't know and I'd get out there and you know I got I l and in it pretty well. So seventy two was a great start and not the this exactly what I needed. This is built my this. What my whole life. I've been building up for this moment or this being in the Winston Cup series racing with the big stars of proven I can get can compete a boy. Am I gonNa have myself a ball? Well little did I know that was just a typically iceberg. Seventy three I got a a look if I'm talking too much but if I if I I was always can always consider myself out sadder not when I came into the sport. My family and none of my family raised. I wouldn't earnhardt. I wouldn't have jared. I would a baker. I wasn't any of those father. Son accented previously. You know been in his to help build a sport so I'm an outsider. I grew up in Bro Kentucky. I lived in Franklin Tennessee I show up You know and and nothing can pretty hot stuff. 'cause I a couple of track championships in Nashville. I'm the guy to beat when you come to Nashville so I'm pretty proud of what I've done. Pretty proud of myself and People always said well. You sure talked about yourself a lot. What is afraid you're going to so I had a bad habit of shad. Kim Shadwick Stephen. Does I know late times. France wanted me to go out to Ontario APP. We Race Ontario. One big Lou out there L. A. And Have Dinner Chadwick. And I'll never forget this. Stephen Our just talking about this yesterday in. I WanNa make a good impression because this guy's like one of the best riders in the country La Town. I mean it's kind of cool older fella so we're having dinner and I sit down and I guess I'll probably never shut up like now in so he finally talked. We talk we talk and he asked me one question and I don't I think it's only time. Yes yes when questions I propose. We sat for a long time and finally. I stopped in east offer. We looked at each other and he said. Can I give you a little advice? I said you go ahead. Everybody else does You Know How could take some advice? You said you talk too much I do. You should talk until you get yourself in trouble. He said you need to learn how to answer the questions. And that's all and don't add on or ad Lib or any of those that they seem to be pretty good at just. Enter the questions and you'll be a whole lot better off. I wish I had listened to him. I wish take an ED advice. But you know me young and dumb and felt like I had had to prove myself all the time and I did talk a lot I will. I will admit that but I have to say that. He said I talked a lot. But you gotta remember. Those other guys didn't talk any through struck as you call it. Good a hey think you do too. I do I you know they were. They were one liners. That was it but I had a tendency though you know. Never let the truth standard way a good story. That's how I don't know if I didn't I didn't even know what question has forgot but anyway you answered it. I got the mercury. That's when I went to data and that was the beginning of my career Daryl nineteen seventy-three. You did run a handful of races for Bud Moore later in the season. Did you go on end that that was going to be a limited deal or were you may be hoping for a more long term program with them? Yeah I thought Agana thought I'd you know I thought well this is but more famous car builder. Or Bobby Isaac have been driving. The car. Bud was in with Ford Motor Company. And so when buddy wanted me to drive his car I thought well this is a great opportunity. I've been looking for. I don't have to spend more money. I can go grab somebody else's car and And and hopefully things will work out but told me when I went to drive the car thinking stay power which. I don't know what that was. Some oil added That that was a temporary sponsor but said to me he said if we can find a sponsor for you for next year. Then we're going to run you next year while I was I was so happy about the added excited But things didn't work out at all with being bud We were totally opposites. I had a tendency to kind of know what I wanted. What I liked what I did. Like and Bud. Which just he was the same way. Don I'll give you a good example. Bobby Isaac been driving a car. Bobby's pretty small guy. I go down to buds to get to get fitted up in the car. To go to Darlington. That was our first race. Southern five hundred in I get an I try to get in a car. Can't get into seat I. The seat is little. It's a real narrow and it's real tight and I can barely squeeze into it and I told. Let us a Boeing changes. See only when you watch. Not Big enough. Bobby was futile bigger smaller. Man I just can't get myself back in. I'm not comfortable. Will you're going to have to learn to become seacoast. Ford Motor Company spent thousands of dollars for Nazi got the LUMBAR support. It's got visit got that and I see this going to have to deal with that. See I saw all right. I'll do it so we get to see. I get kind of halfway comfortable in it. Then I gotTa have attics helmet head radios in it. I didn't have radios so I got this helmet. I'm a seven and a three eight seven and a half. This is seven and a quarter helmet. So I'm trying to get his helmet on my innocent. But I'm I'M NOT GONNA be able to use help. What are you talking about? It's just a little tighter than fit good. I get it down. Should we just GONNA learn how to deal? That helmet. Kozak Helmet has got the radios in it. And I got to be able to talk to you okay. Okay so now I gotta see that don't fit an I got a helmet. That's giving me a headache and any done out on the track yet and I got blood more and you know. Blood Steve. Does I know. Oh Yeah Yeah. He was out before I am millette garage yet awesome. I'd say he's about how to drive the car. Where to run on the track Bible Blah Abbad? Never just so we get we qualified. Second I think bobby was on PO. Allison I think I will second or third for anyway. I WANNA outside. Blood grabbed me by the collar. Like we did back in the day and he should or listen to me. Don't you go in at third turn on outside anybody? I said okay. He said you go. You go in at third turn on outside of somebody they'll put you in the wall. I said okay. Okay I got it. Don't go on outside of anybody in the third term. I got it so we come around. Dropped a green flag and we go down to extra away. And I'm Sabah's bobby else and I'm thinking you'll he'll the he's gotta live. I'M GONNA drive in his corner and he's GonNa live in. I'm going to swoop down in front of him. Don't go going outside anybody in that third term. I'd already been lectured about that. Well guess what Bobby didn't lift and I didn't live in Bobby. Put me in oil on the first lap of the race. How did that work out? That was the way. That was my relationship with Bud Moore. It never got much better than that. We wrecked a COUPLA. We blew up a couple of times at a couple. Pretty good pretty good racist by the way. I don't know if you remember this or not not probably created the biggest fire. Yes rich. Bennett racing at Richmond. Baxter price on out by first second third lap of the race. I'm following Bobby's allison leading the race. I'm running second going down to back and I'm all over the back of Bobby. We get into third four. Turn and bobby turns onto peer road. What is wrong with that? Big Dummy. Well what was wrong with him? Where's the car sitting cross ways to track? It was baxter price. I nailed him and when I did. I mean exploded at fire. Cars crash cardinal bar. Every I mean it's like scared me to death. I've never been a barber four and you know what was the worst part but more on the radio BAUGH. We'll get out of that car. Get that Damn radio you back over here. It's a blessing to get out of live radio before we get out. I later on but it became great friends. I love but more but that was not a good experience for. Dwi well after that. We're actively looking for another ride or were you tend to run your own stuff. I just went I went back and Regrouped in In seventy four. Got My team back together with Harry had and the Keihin K. Team. They had folded so. I had a lot of really really good people. Robert G. With Pie fabricator. Bodyman Jake was my crew. Chief Larry Reagan Ray Fox was doing a junior was doing her engines. We're all bracing Outta Robert Shop. Their own husband road and started up to seventy FOUR SEASON WITH MON team in cars in In actually went it went really well for underfunded team. See that was. That was the other thing because my father-in-law was a prison in Texas gas. Whereby thought I had a lot of money in so they didn't know how how struggled to make it how I had right at a write bad checks and borrow money. I pay Jay on Friday and borrow the money back on Monday. It was just it was it was it was a it was a terrible situation. I found myself in had I could run with these guys. I could beat these guys but I didn't have the money to keep up with these guys. They didn't have deep pockets. And so the seventy four we started to seventy five season and I was struggling man. I had no money I was broke. huggins would filming. Less brisk blessed huggins guys. They took your Omeday gave me. They let me have tired. Pay Him when I could get cussin' help me a bunch. A lot of people helped me Robert G I I mean I could have made it without Robert. And Jake and that whole crowd but Along the middle of seventy five. I think you probably remember this I I ran really well. And that's when digordon come on the scene with Donnie Allison and Donny was drafted for dagger they were based detente in. I never forget. This is fourth of July race Daytona in on the last lap to finish third. Four and Bill Gardner was so upset with Donnie. That he let me pass him. I'm underfunded. I'm a rookie. I don't know anything. He spending all this money. He's got this veteran. Donelson in Tennessee. Blow by on the last happen finished. He fired Johnny on the spot. And I didn't know all this until later so stephen I'd her mom and dad had a house down in Vero Beach Florida so we left Daytona and went to zero spent a couple of days down there came back up to Daytona to pick up my check in stopped in Daytona Office. They said have you seen Jim? Gardner said only know? Jim Gardner is well. That's built orders brother in. They're for you assume they are looking for me. Ought what did I do know they want to hire you? They to hire me. Are you kidding me? I'm better they are. I got a better car. They do outrun 'em every week. I. I don't think I'm going to be. I don't I'm not interested so well. Just know Jim Gardeners looking for would you believe Steve? You know how these things go. Stephen are gonNA drive back from Daytona to Charlotte. We stopped in a gas station to get some gas and guess who was in the same gas station. Gm Gardner was he really Joe. He said where have you been? We've been trying to get in touch with you. We WanNa hire you. I said well I'm not interested. Should you're not interested? I said none. I got a pretty good team. Things are starting to work. Pretty good for me. You guys got a lot of problems. Mario Rossi was ended guy. Good Man I love Mario. But you know had a lot of injury problems. Anyway we get in our cars and we leave the gas station and Steve is in the car she said. What did he want US said? Is Bill Garner brother? He wanted me to come drive their car She got all excited. So what did you tell them? I say Optima when interested. She says you turn his car around right now. Are you crazy? You gotta go drive for them next? We don't have any money we're broke. We're week to week and you could go draft for somebody else and you don't worry about all that so anyway. We talked about all the way back to Charlotte and I got to Charlotte and call him. And I said you know I thought that over and Actually I'm pretty interested. So the middle of seventy five. I went to drive for Dagger Yard. And then I stayed there through the Indus seventy five. We got the GATORADE deal and Moved team from Daytona to Charlotte robbery as came to work for us. Lot of buddy pair at David F like good people and and once again we were rolling in twenty nine races almost seventy nine driving for them and it was a tumultuous relationship but we had good people had good cars good motors but I just I didn't. I wasn't happy there I wanted to get it. I wanted to get away from there and things just didn't work out wasn't bills. Fall when gems fall. But nobody's fault. We just weren't meant for each other back up a little bit. You got your first win in. May Have Seventy five right Nashville right bigger deal. Was that for you and Nashville. Well of course everybody. That was my home track. I do track championships. There I'd want about sixties seventy. I don't know a lot of feature races. So that was my home track I'd WanNa Usak Racer a USAK stock car racer be all the big stars Johncock onshore. I don't know a whole bunch of them are here for that race Hartmann. That was all all the hot shots from USAK. Oh we WANNA use race there and then that race was so fun because it was mother's Day weekend one of my all time favorite pictures Is Victory Lane in Stadion? I and and Jay Could Robert all my team and Michael. My little brother. He standing down or left front corner of the CAR GOT TO KIKI HAIRS. Hairdo and in that was my first win and I was so happy because my grandmother had taken me to races when I was six years old and owns earl. Her favorite driver was Jesse Spencer. I was a big juicy Spencer Fan and so my grandmother took me to a lot of races before I started raced and this oh it was so gratifying and so felt so good that my grandmother my grandfather Mom Dad. My whole family were there and it was mother's Day weekend and we won that race and the next day we went over to the park and had a big cookout and you thought I wanted to Daytona five hundred which it kind of felt like that but that was my first win and in one on never forget. Dwi have always considered Stevie to be one of the classiest women who ever stepped foot in the NASCAR garage. And you've already mentioned the fact that you like to talk and it. There were times that you made people mad with what you were saying. There was the whole Kale Jabre jaws that there was Richard Petty. There was Bobby Allison all those years when you would say something that made somebody mad. What were the conversations with her light once? You got home while she like. Daryl what were those conversations line usually when before I got home? I can't tell you how many times I'll be doing interview and I'd be all about something. Cheapie standard over in the background. I could see her and she'll be shaking. Her hand is shaking. Her head said No. No No. Don't say that. Stop Stop now. But I couldn't help myself. I you know I always feel like I was a little fish in a big sea In show I figured out or not and I kind of knew that the media was my best friend If if the litter and I mean and I don't mean this in a bad way but the other guys they really didn't have they didn't talk They they didn't have opinion about anything. They were all scared of NASCAR. They were afraid to be too outspoken. And I didn't really care you know figure what the Hell Am. I may or may not be here forever. I just don't know and so I always felt like the best way for me to make Pe- make people know who I was Was was talk to the media and so You know an immediate knew that and it was. You Know Wade Higgins and in catch down her Winston Salem. Yeah Yeah Mo- her album with all you know we'd always go play. They play cards and Jake and Herbert Bud. The play cards with them so the media was my friends. And and so I. I used a media a lot To Send messages sometime. I'd send a message to tailor Richard or Bobby or whomever and sometime. I'd send a message to France Junior. He'll kill bobby rich and those guys that were calling me but now bill France would call you on their forget. So we're somewhere I don't know. They made a rule and it was directly related if something that affected me and I was so upset about it Monday. More not get on a phone. Not Calling often called Bill Francis off the phone bill. I WANNA know who the Dome Ass was at made that rule. He said you're talking to him so anyway. I I didn't mean when I look back on my career and I look back at some of the things I said did. I probably had to whip that guys asked. I'm just telling you because it just it. A lot of things were they. It was obnoxious sometimes over the top and I regret sometimes some of the things I said. Are I never did anything on the racetrack with bad? It's just mostly off the track comments. I'd make earnhardt or you know somebody that they were probably in hindsight not the right thing to do. But that's who I was. Well Daryl let you know something there media back then you exactly what you're doing and we it loved it. You know you know like Richard Bobby Day or whoever wins the race and the headlines were be Waltrip said I man they are athletes that we call good copy and you were good copy. We went looking for you but back the raising a nine hundred seventy seven had a really good year without. It turned out to be the best at that point. Six wins fourth in the standings. Hey relationship with the garbage might not have been all that good. But what was the difference here? We moved when I when I went to work for them When when I start to them they were based in Daytona. Bill garnered do nothing outracing a hand his son in brother-in-law. Press Ero and think it's how you said that's where the died. Deanna Guard Gardner Dot Dot precip. So and Gardner. They combined to make so and and A had a wreck and he think he ended up in a coma or something happened to him so he he was. He couldn't be involved with the race team and build sort of inherited the race team and bill. He knew nothing. Bill was a banker. He was a businessman from new from Connecticut. So I didn't know a lot about this sport and and so he thought being in Daytona because that's where the headquarters is at a race team it need to be near the headquarters and so we had a shop down on venture boulevard. They did a few blocks from the NASCAR offices. He thought that was a big advantage. I thought that was a big disadvantage. Personally I wanted to get away from his. I couldn't sell in most cases I needed some breathing room but anyway so I went to work pullman Mario Rossi Guy Robert Jason. I become good friends. I convinced Gardner that all the way we're ever going to be successful and we gotta move to Charlotte because that's where all the car at all. The people are Edward. That's hub we need to get out of Daytona. We were we were a day. We were a day or two behind. Every time we went somewhere we'd have to drive from Daytona to wherever Darlington Charlotte. It didn't matter where we went. We were always like a day behind an to get the car there and then had to get the car home and had so our truck was on the road all the time I just. It just wasn't working out so we bought a a shop over by the Charlotte Airport near home in a moody and That's when all the good people is when buddy paired they would j robbery duckie new. I mean we had. We had some good people and seventy seven. We moved and things picked up started. Winning races had a pretty good year in seventy eight seventy nine hours our year. we to build Garner's credit. He gave us everything. We needed To win that championship and a only problem was I- short-circuited a couple of times and it may be. You know we had some things happen that we shouldn't happen that we could've avoided bobby wreck. Wilkspur on Iraq myself at Darlington. I had a huge point lead over Richard In. I was so I was so determined to beat Richard Petty and beat all those guys you know let you know what Rick Flair said to be the man. You gotTa beat. The man will that that was. That was how I felt the only way I'm ever going to be respected in this orders. I I gotTa beat these guys. I gotTa beat good and I ended up beating myself and in Dhahran and Darlington really was the worse race. Southern five hundred Pearsley driving. I think EARNHARDT's car are somebody in a laughing with fifty laps ago David Pearson the Silver Fox. The King Darlington and I laughed at him. He was running second and I laughed and I go back I am. I'm voice has done buddy. David F are screaming at me on radio. You CACTUS slow down. You'RE GONNA WRECK YOU'RE GONNA hit. You got to back off not an never forget. I cannot ask you two knuckleheads. Leave me alone. I know what I'm doing. In about two laps later in the wall in so that was Kinda demoralizing Because Kinda did it to myself so I made it. It was the best thing that ever happened. It was the worst thing at the time. But turn out to be the best thing because I made a commitment that day after that race I was never going to beat myself again because I didn't nobody beat me. I beat myself so I I wrote it on my dash pd about. I've had ever out could look I should. I would don't beat yourself. 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Where we hope that you and family stay safe in health. Now let's get back to the PODCAST. Thanks for listening stave. You touched on it. A little bit in the intro. But tell me about the Darrell Walker. That you knew back in the nineteen seventies at. I didn't know much about it. But eventually we started listening to what he was saying. He was all he was always talking. And I'll tell you what it was the easiest thing for variety to accept. They thought that he was just twisted. The nose of their established stars of the day a David Pearson Petty. Bobby Allison it was totally different from those guys. Those guys out fairly good talkers but they weren't as outlandish in the way they spoke and subjects that covered as there was. Nah To me. Dale became one of my go-to guys. You Sir yeah. It was very simple issues of the day I'll k. Let's get information about the issues of the day. I personally go to Richard Petty. No doubt about it. Then you go to jail and where Richard would save four five six senses. You get four five six paragraphs daryl. I really thought it was kind of a breath of fresh air in racing. I thought he had the ability to stir up controversy sure but he also had the ability to give solid opinions on the subject of the day. Now the store that he told about shaft click setup for us who shove glick and why that was an important contact. Not only for Darryl but for NASCAR's well Oh. Yeah that's because Shabby glit- was the racing writer for the Los Angeles Times. It was very well established and very well respected. He Cup are not only portions of NASCAR races. Such as Daytona five hundred riverside at that time and th- and Ontario things like that but he also covered several indycar outrageous including the Indianapolis five hundred so he was a well known and well respected writer with a major newspaper. Now you can study the effect that could have on Daryl getting up with a writer of that status and of course anytime NASCAR can get it set up in Los Angeles Times at that time that was tremendous for them too. So is a natural makes now Steve. Sure. You probably don't remember this but I was not able to go to the Busch series banquet in the year two thousand and so saying actually La Shaft Glick to cover the Bush series banquet for that year in Mama took a reporter of shaft glick stature to replace recused now I think I don't I can recruit saved money. That's all save if nothing else doing this. Podcast is helped. Keep Me Unbel- enchant did till a barrel. That he talked too much in that he kept talking until he got himself. In trouble. Darryl's response I think says a lot. I wish I'd listened to it. Well I'm Kinda Glad Daryl didn't because it has been a lot more colorful with Daryl. Along was that just a personality trait of Daryl's he tended to talk a lot was it. Maybe even a nervous habit. Or was that something that you think. He intentionally cultivated on his own as a direct opposition to David Pearson's and the Richard Petty's all day. Both where what I mean is I think he realized by being the kind of self loading talker that it was. It was gaining attention and he needed to do that. He's thought because these up against all these story legends in the sport and to make his way forward in the sport it aside well I better Biz talk and make myself note now. The other half of that equation is that he was a natural talk. And the reason I know this it because as sat down with one time. I didn't WanNa talk racing all I just wanted him. Tell me something about his youth. Back in Owensboro Kentucky hit a time and he told his terrific story of drag rating on the street Borough Kentucky and then when the cops showed up they weren't drag races they were just standing around getting the wreak to drag race. They all appeared before a judge and of course tales case is going to be no. We weren't drag racing. We were standing around. Well he told a buddy of his who was going to be on the stand. Just go up there and say we weren't going to drag race. We were just standing around and I said okay. I'll do it so the guys on the stand and the lawyer. The prosecuting lawyer comes up to him and says son. You know what perjury is. A guy says no sir he said perjury is lying to the court and you can go to jail for it and the guy said he did it. We've got to do it there. But the next year riding around on the moped. Tell me that story. Though means he was a natural talker rattle talker who used as skill to his advantage. Stave Lake speed talked about his issues with Bud Moore in last week's episode. But to be honest with you I was Kinda thinking. That was bud in his lighter years when the team was kind of winding down. Its tenure in the sport but this week. Darrelle talked about his relationship with bud. And let's just say it was my way or the highway back. Then in the early nineteen seventies when he was still pretty much at the top of the sport while the situation was not a really good one for. Darryl because you just said it bud was at the top of his game back. Fan and bud had been around for a lot of years and he was not about to change his ways for this kid. Okay that's data was beckoning but in his own mind and he was right about. This probably thought I forgot more about raising. This kid really knows right now. So I'm not gonNA listen. Yeah well as a case in Point Daryl has to use Bobby Isaac seat and helmet and neither fading and when he tells bud about it. Buzz Line. Tough DEAL. Yeah. That's right that's right and that's exactly what I was talking about. Bud had his ways set and he wasn't going to do anything differently for a kid will richmond. September third not taste three. Richard Petty Wins by two laps overkill. Yarborough and Darryl mentioned this race because it was the rice where there was this big wreck early in the race and he winds up in a far in thinking about that race. I did go back and looked at some of the stats. It was the seventh straight win for Richard at Richmond. The Senate as incredible incredible and going all the way back to the spring of nineteen sixty seven through the spring of nineteen seventy five. Richard Petty won twelve of that track. Seventeen Cup races at Richmond. All about it instead of. Here's a trivia for you Richard. Second win in that epoch. Run was held on September the Tenth Nineteen Sixty seven the day before yours truly was born man. That was as long in the accident. Itself Baxter price was making the first start of his Winston Cup career and on the fourth lap. He spun off. Turn four Darrell Wells into him. Dick Brooks Hits Him and ruptures the fuel tank and there's this huge fire that completely blocks track nasty. When I was working for the newspaper. In North Wilkspur the journal Patriot the editor. At the time Charles Williams had been at that rice and he had just this phenomenal sequence of photos that he had taken kind of framed on the wall is so I remember though so very vivid. That's kind of one of the reasons why Look back at this race but in all of that but more calls on the radio and says Daryl before you get out of that car very good that radio I don't want it to burn well and I'm like holy cow man. That was serious now. Steve One of the knocks on day. W in those early days was the fact that his father-in-law Stevie stat was the president of Texas gas in his company actually owned Terminal Transport. Which was daryl sponsor in those early days? So the knock on. W was that. He was rolling in money and that he was living off his father-in-law but evidently that wasn't exactly the case. Darryl did talk about being broke writing bad checks paying jake crowder on Friday and then having to borrow it right back on Monday so I I think that the rich kid perception was there but as his career progressed he started having some success. He proved himself bail. You know those early days. I never got the impression that Darryl was rolling in the money because to me I mean he really had a shoes during operation. If you could see it up against some of the other powerhouse teams it was just minuscule and the guy was rolling in money. I'll come. He was operating on such a slight budget. As impression I got stay then they go to Daytona in July. Nineteen seventy five. And Darryl Passes Donnie Allison on the last lap for fourth place. And when we talked to Donnie. He said that he got fired. The very next day and was told by the gardeners that they didn't think hey could still win. Now that's Donnie side of the story. But on Daryl's part Daryl came back to the track to pick up his check in he was told. Jim Gardner is looking for him. And the guard wants to hire him as they're dropping. And Darryl Darrell. He's like well. My tastes better tatum. All the time and basically dismisses it so then he stayed take off to Charlotte and when they stop for Gas. Jim Garner is actually at the very same gas station. Thank fate trying to tell their where you know what he's not listening because GM makes his pitch right there and Darryl tells him that he's not interested again going up the road. Stay be acid. Been off into. I was telling Jim Gardner zones the eighty eight car and I told him he wasn't interested and Stevie says turned his car around right now so maybe she was getting a little tired of seeing her husband struggle like he had been so one thing leads to another and he does go to drive for Dai Guard rising number eighty eight car the very famous gatorade on car in stay when that team was going well. It went really really really well very well. Absolutely one of the COMET TEAMS IN NASCAR. I think sometime between seventy eight and say eighty one with Darryl. Was there paired up. All right you got you gotTA Die Guard. Starting out and starting to good has a good personality organ. No question about that. Then you Got Daryl. Up and coming rising star. You're mash the two of them together. What happened for the next three years or so? That Garden Daryl became one of the top organizations in Nascar as well as they were doing on the race track and winning all the races that they were winning and come so close to the championship. But not seventy nine beginning in nineteen seventy seven. There were rumors that Darryl was looking. Elsewhere nineteen seventy eight. We've talked about it on a previous podcast. He had all but a done deal to go to dry for Harry. Rainier was the calls. What was the overall calls of all that drama was Darryl's personality was it the gardeners management style or what was the cause of that eruption? What you just said right there. Both those things right there daryl style on track with one thing but darryl did not sit still when he thought things could be improved and he also didn't like it much when he thought is suggestions and plans for. The team were largely ignored now. The gardeners were strictly businessman. In my opinion they will always looking toward the bottom line and I think that that had its way of distracting. What was going on because if things went wrong. And the Gardner didn't like how the bottom line was looking. They did not hesitate to take action. That means somebody gone Steve Again. We have talked about the nineteen seventy nine championship. Run Between Richard Daryl. Before en- Daryl actually said that he felt like he be himself when he had lapped the Field Darlington but then he slapped the wall. Trying to it was going to locate in buddy parent was on the radio trying to tell him to slow down. Take it easy little bit. And they're always like I'm the one driving this car on. Do you WANNA do. Pas My point I ask my point exactly is Dave. Darryl did say that that specific incident in the nineteen seventy nine southern five hundred actually helped him in the long run because it was at that point where he became so focused on not bathing himself and Darryl was not known as an Dale Earnhardt. Tie a hard charge. It was very collected on the right track very calculating on race truck. Yeah that was his style and he was very good at by the way but what he learned at Darlington about not beating himself was a very valuable lesson. And that's one thing about good drivers. Good drivers learn lessons from what happened to them on track bad drivers our drivers who don't make it are stubborn and don't change your ways when they need to. That's the difference. 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DOT COM Stay the July twenty first. Nineteen seventy seven issue of Grenache for say that was our six issue ran. Yes the sixth issue ever so that publication was still very wet behind the ears but there was a lot to talk about in this issue. So the fish order of the nineteen seventy seven Nashville. Four twenty is one of the craziest. I ever seen period ended discussion bar. None the guy. Dave are you ready for this? Okay okay there were thirty cars in that event and to finished on the lead Lap Cuckoo Marlin at Frank Warren finished eleventh and twelfth respectively. And they both finished four hundred one laps not tain laps down to Rice Winter Dr Walker S in different area codes. Okay now daryl finished a lap ahead of second-place bobby ouse- who is a lap ahead of third-placed Richard Petty who is a lap ahead of fourth-placed Carol Yarborough who is a lap ahead of fifth-placed Dick Brooks and stay other than Cuckoo and Frank Warren. Every single driver in that event were on different laps. Guy That is just a crazy finish order. They came the finish of the race. Okay now Baxter surprise who had triggered that accident at Richmond that we discussed in the previous segment. Hey Spun in turn to with five laps to go. Okay Oh Baxter right yeah. That kind of thing happens then with three laps to go. The green flag was displayed for a split second but then it mmediately with grown when Kelley Yarbrough was out of place on the outside line rob behind there also. He was out of place right. Okay okay I'm really sell far. They showed the green flag and then immediately took it back and displayed the yellow again. The next time around the field accelerated off turn four expecting the grave flag but the gala stayed out again and the poor pace car driver. Just bad got run over as the field blew past the pace car driver actually had to dive onto pit road king from getting here and this is GonNa be a mess. Well he douse onto pit road and he started to move back onto the track. Because there's only a couple of laps left but then he was waved off in order to stay in the pits. The green flag was finally displayed. The next time around setting up a one lap dash to the finish but it was all bud academic. Because again d'oro was only what's more the unofficial finish showed? Richard Petty ahead of Bobby Allison. But Bobby didn't agree and a complete check of the scorecards. It was determined. That bobby was second a lap ahead. Richard at took two days for them to figure that out that is how scoring has so changed over the years darrow. Actually said in the Rice Lake that you did not right because you have apparently never been to Nashville. Still can't believe that you completely on. May Out by saying that a couple of episodes ago out. I just never have been unfortunately for me. Darryl said race lead hours told I had a lap on the field. But I wasn't sure didn't WanNa take any chances so I tried for the best race tarp possible while given have racist going at the time. I don't blame him. Take nothing for granted. Keep doing this or like that national. Angela it could get very very very hot and very very humid and that played a part in this race. There's a photo by Leonard Caldwell where Darryl is sprawled out on the hood of his car. After the rice he's being given oxygen by stay. And a M T and therefore Darrell sprawled out on the hood of his car all but passed out. And there's a guy with the microphone to that in nosy media come. All those Dag media can't live Aloen but what's Darah was to collect his wits he said in the race lead. The Heat was real bad. Being was the worst I feel like I'm a court low on weight support sponsor. Don't you think then? Griggs IS COLUMN. I don't know where to begin on this. They'll rob's filter must have been broken that night for example in this column Rob wrote from his post race remarks victory circle to his treatment of the press to his off the cuff remarks regarding grand national motorsports writer. Jane Grainger Waltrip seemed to be reminding everyone of the Chia peak carries on his shoulder as he whirls around the circuit on a private ego trip. Come on around me. Hey coming at him with both barrels there. I'm Tanya guns blazing on. Rob went on to describe the setting in the press box after the rice. It was not rice so that made for a really long and really hot day. And I'm sure that nourish were already pretty frazzled. As riders from the daily papers trying to meet their deadlines when derogates the press? Box He sees Ray Blanton. Who was at the time? The governor of the State of Tennessee in the next box over and he decides wrapped in there. That he's GonNa go say hello and he stays gone so long that his PR guy has to go fetch him and if nerves were already frayed cinema. Over the age I will say on de-deputy part not the best. Move to make time in rob wrote. If he was trying to impress people he was successful. We were quite impressed with his rudeness. And all too cocky behavior but then once he gets the press box ain't proceeds to take on Jane Grainger he proceeds to take on George Cunningham. Who is a writer from Atlanta? Who is the namesake to this day of the national motorsports Press Association's rather the Year award and he proceeds to take on Daryl Derringer? Who was helping guard at the time. And then maybe even Dr guarded yourself at so it was abandoned night for. Dwi well he was. He was feeling pretty. Good 'cause he wanted a very tough race had a chance to get over his dehydration and come to the press box and I'll be honest. I don't think the deputy wanted to be in the breast box at that time of night. But he made the most of it now. My idea is only mistake. He made was hanging out with the governor too long. Keeping the riders waited. I most people don't care if riders a hot and tired and itching to make their deadlines they don't care they want to know about the race and won the won the race outside of what the writers through you know. They don't really care and they're so that's fine. But when takes along with the governor and really sets them on the edge they're not going to be in the best of moods when he comes into that press box. Finally I understand what rob is thinking. At the time I really can. But why just expressing was several other. People were expressing about their at the time both competitors and fans rob quoted. Darryl is saying that night I know I have a great future ahead of me. My sponsor does too and they are doing all. They can't keep me happy. I am on the third year of a five year contract and I know I won't be driving a grain racecar all my life. So that's a little bit of a is education that he's looking around even then in nineteen seventy seven. No question about it. And I think he's getting feelers from other organizations that this time stave rob concluded by writing most of the top teams. Want a driver. Who has the use of both fate at the president's Waltrip is only using one? The other is almost constantly in his mouth. So Rob Greg's fired away buddy that bad writing to tell the truth. But that's exactly the kind of attitude people had toured Darrell at time. I've said that before is very important. I think which telling of this is your nickname for darryl was loss for the simple reason you ran his mouth all the time. Well I guess in this case Rob Graves was John's to stave the vision of the press box at the Nashville fairgrounds. Speedway brought back some memories. Now notice that it's say good memories the way that it was set up the press box was just a row above the last in the grandstands so when the people on the top row the grand stairs was stand up. We couldn't see the racetrack so we're sitting there. We're trying to take her nose. We're trained watch race and people would stand up and knock on Wenden. We'd try to give him sit down and we get flipped off our it was. It was bad. Will Bill Kaiser who was a writer for one of the other publications at the time bill? You're on our cast a couple of weeks ago after the race one year now remember what year was but after the Rice Bob Harmon. Who is the promoter? Came up and he set up shop in the press box and he was entertaining some gas and everything and and the longer they were there. The louder that Bob was talking and so finally Bill Kaiser. I'll never forget bill. Kaiser stopped shrouding and at the top of his lungs. Ballard for the love of God and this is bill cosby telling the track promoter. The track older Bake Hawaiian. So I thought we were going to have Orion rocket and there my buddy town making good at that do hollering all. Yeah happy I was the focus of one of those and I'm still scared well Nashville is kind of weird all the way around. Tell Me Rick is this the truth. Do you come into the pitch drivers. Come into pit on what was the first turn and go out on. What was important. Is that correct? By the time I started covering busch races it was a more standard pit road. Okay but from what I understand. I don't remember. I don't remember how they put it back in the late seventies early eighties. It was evidently quite the Harry situation. Because it's my understanding that they actually went onto the quarter mile race track and had to fit there so it was that might have some with the scoring. Snafu back yeah absolutely. I'm Steve Meal and you're listening to the scene involved. 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