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"eric bischoff" Discussed on First Match

First Match

02:31 min | 1 year ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on First Match

"A pretty decent voice. But for some reason, when you get on a microphone, the first couple of times when you get in front of a camera, the octave goes up a little bit. S So he cuts open the Mike. He's like. What everybody is. Doing how the fuck are you doing? He says. Holy Shit. This is his last in First Gig ever it's over. So yes, those moments if you don't know that that. Moment that just Kinda Clams Yup. Over the top and you do these really ridiculous things did you have a teleprompter or anything or this is just Off the head no, and I you know I never worked in front of a teleprompter until I got to WCW and that was hard for me because I was. So by that time had gotten so used to. Just somebody give me the bullet points. Tell me how you want it to end and let me go. And I got really good at that. You know because I did hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them. Over the course of a year maybe thousands. So it. Eventually. You can train A. Train, Muggy to do anything you know if given enough time. So eventually I just got decent at that. and. Then I go to WCW. Okay. Here's your copy and I'm going copy. You gotta read something. What do you mean I got to read And I started working teleprompter and that drove me crazy for the first day or two. Now I got it ran and then it becomes more comfortable but I don't like rely on it. I, don't like using telephone. I will if I have to sometimes you have to if you're reading copy that needs to be very specific for whatever reason. I'll do it but man in a normal environment. If I'm out doing something I camera for wrestling I much prefer doing it could have been proud because I'm just better at that. Sure. Well, the thing about the teleprompter too is look you. You can use it like a guide and and if you have to have won the good. Talent who has it they can go off script and still of come back to find those bullet points and then you can tell the people don't that people were just hey, it's Eric Bischoff. Welcome to WCW Saturday night Larry's Bisco you know I mean that just that ridiculousness but again, it's the talent and you did it the right way learning on the fly learning to not have the shit written down learning to use rely on your creativity. That's really the way to do it, and that.

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on First Match

First Match

03:22 min | 1 year ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on First Match

"Landscape company catalog model of Vet Assistant kickboxer ran a butcher shop. Do that's a lot of things going on what was your passion? What did Eric Bischoff want to do? You just Kinda grabbing things that were there or you know? First of all I did not manage a butcher shop. Okay. That's not true. The Internet light to me the lights. Come on. You been waxed by Wikipedia once again it's so funny wikipedia the last place I go every fucking time because I know that is full of Shit. Like I'm like I don't know I could see you wielding butcher knife could see it. That that part you probably you have good intuition on that because I, I, love to cook and they're love to prep everything I cook but. I know what I did. I was a sales manager for a commercial food processor. But somehow that fact right has evolved in wrestling lure in narrative to Eric Bischoff ran a butcher shop. I was I had a private pilot's license with an instrument rating that doesn't mean I'm an astronaut. Right, so where were we? What did I do and what would you do? What's your passion man? What? What did you want to do? That's a really interesting question at a hard one to answer because. I would find passionate. So many different areas that throughout my life and even now I have to be really because now I recognize it right but as a young kid, you know. My Mom and Dad told me a story long ago. Obviously, there will since pass but how when I was like five years old I ran away from home. And? I knew I had to get bus money to find my way to my cousin's house. So I went around collecting pop bottle caps in the dirt on the streets. And I was selling pop bottle bottlecaps, Jordan door in order to raise money to buy a bus ticket to get to my cousins. Is always been a sense of adventure. Let's put it that way and and oftentimes the things that I get passionate about is our projects and things that I've never done before that I find interesting for whatever reason and I feel like if I go through the process whether I win lose or draw I'm GONNA learn something so I guess that's what an entrepreneur is. You know I think in as I've. Got Me. Let me check wikipedia yeah better. And as I've gotten older that kind of instinct or that drive something that was just born with I guess. His always compelled me or propelled me into all kinds of different things that I've never thought. I would get involved with. So you're just always a hustler. just I'm just. I'm a hustler. That's right. So I'm thinking you know twenty bucks or twenty bucks isn't that the saying? You know you put yourself out. Hopefully, you pick up a bucket when it's over, you move on and. Somewhere else I try I try not to play who's in my mouth for that twenty bucks but again. Twenty blocks. All right. So how did you come then? Well, let's move some wrestling than e I know you started selling the Awa how did.

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on First Match

First Match

03:47 min | 1 year ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on First Match

"Okay. So you may known my guest today as the real life legit president of WCW. Maybe it was easy e uncle, Eric the king of controversy, the brains behind the end W O on and the screen onscreen Jim Raw bestselling author and podcast her. But to me dude, the man that literally changed the way I did radio over a decade ago. Eric Bischoff welcomed the first match I'm associated to be here and I know we tried to schedule this last week or the week before my schedule got a little crazy last week some very unexpected Travel came up from businesswise. So I had the juggle a bunch of things around. So I apologize for the delay and burr grateful for your patients. Hey, man it's all good. I'm just glad that you decided to come on the show. So let's just jump in the first match time machine. WE'RE GONNA go back to the very beginning you grown up in Detroit let's talk early life and where your love pro wrestling came from. Well I grew up. In, an area known as East Detroit. Or was known as East Detroit back. Then I think they've changed the name of it recently over the last decade or so whatever but a ten mile and Gresh it for anybody that's familiar with the Detroit area or east side of Detroit. is the kind of general area I grew up with a very. I would say the lower middle income kind of environment so much suburban, Detroit you know in the fifties and the sixties. It was all you know suburbs that were built very quickly, very inexpensively to to accommodate the tens of thousands of people that were coming in from all over the country to work in the automotive plants. So there was a lot of kind of blow blue-collar Llorente blue-collar kind of communities that I grew up in and actually for what it was. It was a great life as a kid but was anxious to get out and that's why I fell in love with wrestling Saturday mornings, men, and my little brother Mark would be home alone because mom and dad had go to work and mom had to go grocery shopping and we only had one car. So they left the two kids at home and we commanded control the television from about eight o'clock in the morning to the afternoon that my friend is when I felt a little bit professional wrestling. So who are you watching it that point? Who are the stars that are sticking out to you? As. Soon. As a while ago, right We're talking a little over half a century now. Why did you have to ask me that question like age? I have no choice but to reveal how freaking old. You're such a Dick. The first time I've been calling. I would say Bubble resil- was was big at the time Sheikh original originally was big at the time I. Remember Dick the bruiser and guys like that. Those were some of the names but man I was like you know seven eight nine years old at the time. So it wasn't until later on that I started really becoming fans of individual wrestlers when I was seven eight years old I was just I was just a fan of the spectacle I just love watching big guys beat the hell out of each other was better than seeing it in my. My grade school cafeteria. Yeah I just fell in love with that but it wasn't until later on that I started really recognizing stars. Okay. Well, you did A lot. So from growing up kind of digging wrestling as kid like a lot of us did you did a lot of things before you actually got involved in pro wrestling list of things here including. Acting in a training video for bank employees. You did you andro.

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

12:44 min | 1 year ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"In house and and we weren't trying to hide it. Let's let's get to the show. Let's get to the clash of the champions before we do. We should mention that was dark match. Brad and Scott Armstrong would be Dick Slater and Buck House blocking eight minutes and thirty two But then it's time for the big show we've got aren't Anderson retaining his TV TV title. Over Johnny boombats seven minutes. Thirty eight seconds. meltzer really liked it. He said this was the best match of their series of matches thus far gave it. Three Stars We should mention that. Colonel Robert Parker is here before because he's managing arn and Anderson fans are Are really getting into Hukou being rinkside. Johnny B. Bad's GonNa hit the knockout points but he accidentally gently knocks. Aren't Anderson out of the ring in the process Parker would revive Anderson by pouring a a pitcher of water on his face which is quite the visual orange sold big big and then bad starts chasing Parker around than into the ring and that allowed arn to catch him with a DVD for the pin and even though orange the bad guy and he's got all all these bad guys supporting cast characters on the outside. The fans are cheering his win in a big way. Probably like ninety percent What did you think of this match? She saw at this time for the first time in a long time it's par for course johnny be bad in the opener of ww in this era It felt like it was a legal requirement. Yeah I mean I did watch it actually a couple of hours ago before doing the show with you in My thoughts while I was watching it was man. It's too bad that that Marc Mero The character Johnny bad ended up with that character. I mean it really is I think that was dusty. Rhodes idea it was his vision and again. No no you gotta put things in context sees you to be critical twenty five years after the fact looking back knowing what we know now all that kind of thing but in this was i. Think a remnant of the kind of over the top characters that were so successful in the eighties and the nineties. That's wide Johnny. Johnny became Johnny Bad I. I'm assuming again I never talked to dusty about this but I think if Marc Mero had come in with a little less Leslie effeminate characteristic in the the what do you call the Blazer Gimmick. Did he had shut up to the bad blaster The little Richard kind of personifies that I think would have really worked well in the eighties. But now we're in the mid nineties in let's just not resonating but set that aside and just go back in and if you take it every listen to this chance to go back to the network and watch this go back and look at this match between arn and and Johnny and I think you have to recognize two things number one. The reason I think one of the reasons that mark looked so good johnny bad look so good in this match has a lot to do with our Anderson. And it's it's a dance right and guys like Arne Anderson and Ric flair and a handful of others have the unique ability to make someone who's pretty good look great. Somebody who's great look phenomenal so I think a lot of credit a in terms of the quality this match has to go to Arne Andersson number one. In as the he'll he was calling the match. I'm sure But Johnny be bad. You know to to tip my hat to Johnny are Marc Mero. I think he may have been at the top of his game right about here. He looked really really really good. And the thought crossed. My mind was well I would have really loved to see mark. Excuse me have this opportunity with a guy. Like aren't Anderson at this stage in his his life without the baggage of their kind of goofy character. That people just weren't relating to people. I think people would look back on. Marc Mero much differently differently in terms as a performer. Had He not been saddled with that gimmick that kind of just stuck with them and it's worth mentioning by the way. This guy was a golden in gloves boxer. So legit bad ass was married to the woman we would go on to know a sable who became the hottest woman in the history of the business in every metric. You could possibly imagine and then went on to be a very successful motivational speaker. What what a character? What a story to life and polar opposite to the onscreen character but he's still pulled off so credit to him for you know making the best of a bad situation and he managed to leverage Indo quite the career? But I'm with you. What could have been if it was a different gimmick almost feel that way about and totally different situation? But you and I've talked about this with this go. Inferno Furnao was a hell of a performer in fairly silly gimmick. But it's just it's amazing sor- sort of backing and fantasy but what if no I think you know to to carry this forward and other individual so that we're gonNA talk about probably in a few moments you know if you make a list of the people that had incredible potential a great look Great in ring abilities and the potential to have even greater abilities with some more experience because they were young Alex right in another character you know eight or another person. Eighteen eighteen nineteen years old. I think when he came to. WCW You know. We'll talk about him in a few minutes. I don't need to go into it now but I think he's another character that had he not been saddled with a a pretty goofy gimmick even by early ninety standards Are Mid Ninety. Sanders could have easily become a much much hotter piece of business op because he had all the tools and there are a number of guys probably fell into that category. And you know it wasn't lack of effort it wasn't like a commitment on anybody's part. It was just not really seeing what the president in the future is probably going to really react to in terms of a character and reaching back into that eighties bag of tricks hoping that it would stick and you know it wasn't just se roads. I did it oh Cogan did it. Ric flair did it when ric flair was booking you know so he not Criticizing necessarily because again it was twenty five years ago But again fantasy booking is the best way to say it what if but I think Johnny Bad Marc Mero is one those characters as you said that had he come in with different character Little bit of a different edged to him and at that silly liberace Johnny B. or excuse me a little Richard kind of gimmick he could have been people will look back at. You ought to be bad at a much different way than they do now. Couldn't agree more next up. We see main gene interviewing Kevin Sullivan. The butcher with Sullivan saying he and butcher are prepared for what lies ahead. And the Big van Vader Harley race and Ric flair being. There will work in their favor and Sullivan. Donovan also implies the Randy savage might turn on Hogan in the main event and then we get a music video of Alex right or see clips of his matches through a bunch of different TV monitors sorta cool for what it is at the time and then we get as you said a very young Alex Wright who had been previously talked about on answers sure suspicion nineteen years old here. They're introducing him as being eighteen years old meltzer would say match was okay though nobody cares about right. It's too bad he has potential. And he's got the kind of look that women would go for by shoving that down people's throat it actually works reverse The matches okay seven minutes. It's twenty eight seconds to stars is the rating that we get from Dave meltzer eight and kicked out of rights cross body off the top rope. Then Ri- kicked out of Eaton's Alabama jam before rice scored or pen. Will they second cross body. You got one of the all time greats in there and Bob Eaton and he's probably the right God put in their with a young guy trying to get over and This did a fine job to me. It showcases what he can do in the ring but something is amiss. And it's pro. I mean is it the jacket the dancing what are you. What are you hanging your hat on here? Well I think first. First and foremost he was brand new in our relatively new. It takes a long time for character. Get over very few wrestling characters. Physically very unwanted not have not been part of the business and don't have you know years and years of exposure somewhere It takes a long time to get over so I think his age in the fact that he was so new new to the audience. As part of it I do think as we discussed earlier. The Gimmick was just horrible. It was just a horrible gimmick for him and it didn't connect and it didn't resonate Y- a- and before we go too much further talking about Alex. You mentioned the interview with Kevin Sullivan in the butcher. Brutus the fucking Barbara beefcake I I encourage everybody. That's listening to the show and not because I'm showing for the W. W. E. Network. Because obviously I'm not there and never will be again but but you gotta go back and watch this for pure entertainment value. This is one of those promos. That is so bad it's awesome. It is so bad particularly the butcher the facial expressions I mean. It's it is so horrible horrible. I was laughing my ass off watching it. That's how bad it was a and look. I'm going to admit putting an I wasn't booking I wasn't the guy responsible for booking the show but I was the guy responsible for allowing the booker to go forward with it. I could have stopped it. You know what I mean. I was driving but I could have easily taken the steering wheel for a moment and said no no no no. We're not going to action. We gotta go in this direction. But I didn't and that responsibility lots ability lies solely on me but the idea was not my idea had no fingerprints on that at all. I will say however that that Pudding Brutus. The Barber beefcake in a main event while probably doesn't rise to the level level of a crime against humanity is fucking close on the list. It's gotta be there close. It was. Oh Bad oh my God. It was horrible. But you gotta go back and watch pro. I think it happens around the fourteen or fifteen minute mark on this particular. Show go back and look at this promo if you need a laugh if you really WanNa see just how campy bad things could be and it wasn't just WCW by the way there are some pretty can't be bad stuff stuff that was going on at wwf at the time to still is as a matter of fact. But that's just the nature of the business you know not. Everything is serious. Sometimes things are just so bad. They're good and this was probably like there was an award for being so bad. It was good. This would win an academy award for Alex Right. It's been written written or said rumored. He thought he had the potential to be one of your next big break out stars even saw somebody say Oh eric once said that could be as next hall. Oh cogan I call but still the international flair you know. He's a young guy he's good looking. He's in great shape. He's got an interesting move sets. If if we can you know politics some of this up you could see how this could be a very big draw internationally. Sort of the W. W. equivalent to maybe what the British bulldog was to the WWF Jeff Generation before no look. I don't WanNa be redundant and keep saying the same thing over and over again. I tend to do that sometimes when I get excited and passionate but you know it it just try if you listen to the show and you do decide to go back and watch this particular episode on the network. Watch watch Alex here. Watch this match and pretend if you can use your imagination we all have them some more than others but try to try to set aside the goofy gimmick in the in the dancing and and you know the the boy toy gimmick in by the way I think that was your father in law that was that was his vision for Alex. set all that aside and just look at the physical talent that you see in the right. Yeah and he was a great looking young kid I mean he whatever was eight thousand nine hundred twenty whatever he was..

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

12:39 min | 1 year ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"In house and and we weren't trying to hide it. Let's let's get to the show. Let's get to the clash of the champions before we do. We should mention that was dark match. Brad and Scott Armstrong would be Dick Slater and Buck House blocking eight minutes and thirty two But then it's time for the big show we've got aren't Anderson retaining his TV TV title. Over Johnny boombats seven minutes. Thirty eight seconds. meltzer really liked it. He said this was the best match of their series of matches thus far gave it. Three Stars We should mention that. Colonel Robert Parker is here before because he's managing arn and Anderson fans are Are really getting into Hukou being rinkside. Johnny B. Bad's GonNa hit the knockout points but he accidentally gently knocks. Aren't Anderson out of the ring in the process Parker would revive Anderson by pouring a a pitcher of water on his face which is quite the visual orange sold big big and then bad starts chasing Parker around than into the ring and that allowed arn to catch him with a DVD for the pin and even though orange the bad guy and he's got all all these bad guys supporting cast characters on the outside. The fans are cheering his win in a big way. Probably like ninety percent What did you think of this match? She saw at this time for the first time in a long time it's par for course johnny be bad in the opener of ww in this era It felt like it was a legal requirement. Yeah I mean I did watch it actually a couple of hours ago before doing the show with you in My thoughts while I was watching it was man. It's too bad that that Marc Mero The character Johnny bad ended up with that character. I mean it really is I think that was dusty. Rhodes idea it was his vision and again. No no you gotta put things in context sees you to be critical twenty five years after the fact looking back knowing what we know now all that kind of thing but in this was i. Think a remnant of the kind of over the top characters that were so successful in the eighties and the nineties. That's wide Johnny. Johnny became Johnny Bad I. I'm assuming again I never talked to dusty about this but I think if Marc Mero had come in with a little less Leslie effeminate characteristic in the the what do you call the Blazer Gimmick. Did he had shut up to the bad blaster The little Richard kind of personifies that I think would have really worked well in the eighties. But now we're in the mid nineties in let's just not resonating but set that aside and just go back in and if you take it every listen to this chance to go back to the network and watch this go back and look at this match between arn and and Johnny and I think you have to recognize two things number one. The reason I think one of the reasons that mark looked so good johnny bad look so good in this match has a lot to do with our Anderson. And it's it's a dance right and guys like Arne Anderson and Ric flair and a handful of others have the unique ability to make someone who's pretty good look great. Somebody who's great look phenomenal so I think a lot of credit a in terms of the quality this match has to go to Arne Andersson number one. In as the he'll he was calling the match. I'm sure But Johnny be bad. You know to to tip my hat to Johnny are Marc Mero. I think he may have been at the top of his game right about here. He looked really really really good. And the thought crossed. My mind was well I would have really loved to see mark. Excuse me have this opportunity with a guy. Like aren't Anderson at this stage in his his life without the baggage of their kind of goofy character. That people just weren't relating to people. I think people would look back on. Marc Mero much differently differently in terms as a performer. Had He not been saddled with that gimmick that kind of just stuck with them and it's worth mentioning by the way. This guy was a golden in gloves boxer. So legit bad ass was married to the woman we would go on to know a sable who became the hottest woman in the history of the business in every metric. You could possibly imagine and then went on to be a very successful motivational speaker. What what a character? What a story to life and polar opposite to the onscreen character but he's still pulled off so credit to him for you know making the best of a bad situation and he managed to leverage Indo quite the career? But I'm with you. What could have been if it was a different gimmick almost feel that way about and totally different situation? But you and I've talked about this with this go. Inferno Furnao was a hell of a performer in fairly silly gimmick. But it's just it's amazing sor- sort of backing and fantasy but what if no I think you know to to carry this forward and other individual so that we're gonNA talk about probably in a few moments you know if you make a list of the people that had incredible potential a great look Great in ring abilities and the potential to have even greater abilities with some more experience because they were young Alex right in another character you know eight or another person. Eighteen eighteen nineteen years old. I think when he came to. WCW You know. We'll talk about him in a few minutes. I don't need to go into it now but I think he's another character that had he not been saddled with a a pretty goofy gimmick even by early ninety standards Are Mid Ninety. Sanders could have easily become a much much hotter piece of business op because he had all the tools and there are a number of guys probably fell into that category. And you know it wasn't lack of effort it wasn't like a commitment on anybody's part. It was just not really seeing what the president in the future is probably going to really react to in terms of a character and reaching back into that eighties bag of tricks hoping that it would stick and you know it wasn't just se roads. I did it oh Cogan did it. Ric flair did it when ric flair was booking you know so he not Criticizing necessarily because again it was twenty five years ago But again fantasy booking is the best way to say it what if but I think Johnny Bad Marc Mero is one those characters as you said that had he come in with different character Little bit of a different edged to him and at that silly liberace Johnny B. or excuse me a little Richard kind of gimmick he could have been people will look back at. You ought to be bad at a much different way than they do now. Couldn't agree more next up. We see main gene interviewing Kevin Sullivan. The butcher with Sullivan saying he and butcher are prepared for what lies ahead. And the Big van Vader Harley race and Ric flair being. There will work in their favor and Sullivan. Donovan also implies the Randy savage might turn on Hogan in the main event and then we get a music video of Alex right or see clips of his matches through a bunch of different TV monitors sorta cool for what it is at the time and then we get as you said a very young Alex Wright who had been previously talked about on answers sure suspicion nineteen years old here. They're introducing him as being eighteen years old meltzer would say match was okay though nobody cares about right. It's too bad he has potential. And he's got the kind of look that women would go for by shoving that down people's throat it actually works reverse The matches okay seven minutes. It's twenty eight seconds to stars is the rating that we get from Dave meltzer eight and kicked out of rights cross body off the top rope. Then Ri- kicked out of Eaton's Alabama jam before rice scored or pen. Will they second cross body. You got one of the all time greats in there and Bob Eaton and he's probably the right God put in their with a young guy trying to get over and This did a fine job to me. It showcases what he can do in the ring but something is amiss. And it's pro. I mean is it the jacket the dancing what are you. What are you hanging your hat on here? Well I think first. First and foremost he was brand new in our relatively new. It takes a long time for character. Get over very few wrestling characters. Physically very unwanted not have not been part of the business and don't have you know years and years of exposure somewhere It takes a long time to get over so I think his age in the fact that he was so new new to the audience. As part of it I do think as we discussed earlier. The Gimmick was just horrible. It was just a horrible gimmick for him and it didn't connect and it didn't resonate Y- a- and before we go too much further talking about Alex. You mentioned the interview with Kevin Sullivan in the butcher. Brutus the fucking Barbara beefcake I I encourage everybody. That's listening to the show and not because I'm showing for the W. W. E. Network. Because obviously I'm not there and never will be again but but you gotta go back and watch this for pure entertainment value. This is one of those promos. That is so bad it's awesome. It is so bad particularly the butcher the facial expressions I mean. It's it is so horrible horrible. I was laughing my ass off watching it. That's how bad it was a and look. I'm going to admit putting an I wasn't booking I wasn't the guy responsible for booking the show but I was the guy responsible for allowing the booker to go forward with it. I could have stopped it. You know what I mean. I was driving but I could have easily taken the steering wheel for a moment and said no no no no. We're not going to action. We gotta go in this direction. But I didn't and that responsibility lots ability lies solely on me but the idea was not my idea had no fingerprints on that at all. I will say however that that Pudding Brutus. The Barber beefcake in a main event while probably doesn't rise to the level level of a crime against humanity is fucking close on the list. It's gotta be there close. It was. Oh Bad oh my God. It was horrible. But you gotta go back and watch pro. I think it happens around the fourteen or fifteen minute mark on this particular. Show go back and look at this promo if you need a laugh if you really WanNa see just how campy bad things could be and it wasn't just WCW by the way there are some pretty can't be bad stuff stuff that was going on at wwf at the time to still is as a matter of fact. But that's just the nature of the business you know not. Everything is serious. Sometimes things are just so bad. They're good and this was probably like there was an award for being so bad. It was good. This would win an academy award for Alex Right. It's been written written or said rumored. He thought he had the potential to be one of your next big break out stars even saw somebody say Oh eric once said that could be as next hall. Oh cogan I call but still the international flair you know. He's a young guy he's good looking. He's in great shape. He's got an interesting move sets. If if we can you know politics some of this up you could see how this could be a very big draw internationally. Sort of the W. W. equivalent to maybe what the British bulldog was to the WWF Jeff Generation before no look. I don't WanNa be redundant and keep saying the same thing over and over again. I tend to do that sometimes when I get excited and passionate but you know it it just try if you listen to the show and you do decide to go back and watch this particular episode on the network. Watch watch Alex here. Watch this match and pretend if you can use your imagination we all have them some more than others but try to try to set aside the goofy gimmick in the in the dancing and and you know the the boy toy gimmick in by the way I think that was your father in law that was that was his vision for Alex. set all that aside and just look at the physical talent that you see in the right..

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

14:57 min | 1 year ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"I think about that. I say I never heard of this in my life. The he was a P. H.. I don't know that it's true. I I don't know what he did. But if it's it's true just define irony Honky tonk man as a physical education teacher that is IRA i Ronnie L.. Well Twenty twenty. Your favorite stories and I didn't realize was getting going researching the show that happened. You know around December number January here. This is remarkable. The job he refused to do was around star. Cade do you remember that. I don't remember the incident. I don't remember the van to the venue. I just remember the incidents you know. It's it's pretty clear in my mind but you know the background of it. I don't remember could have been one of my favorite bischoff lines ever is if I could wake up every day and fire the Hawk tonk man one more time every day it would be the best possible way to start my I know it. Would you know cup of coffee. You know stretch out a little bit. Take the dog for a walk and fire the Honky Tonk man. That'd be lots of they love it when you've got a case of the red ass. Let's keep it going here. Stop Ban. You're really going to get their. Ns here meltzer right. Supposedly W Lisa losses this year are going to be cut three and a half million. As opposed to the five to six million in previous years but that figure is misleading because Hogan Sour comes from Turner Turner Home Entertainment Sledger Rather Than W W ledger and Hogan between salary and bonuses and percentages would be no less than two point seven million in probably considerably hire for his six months so the real losses are the highest ever because of this there is considerable pressure to cut those losses by knocking about half a million off the payroll and and you can imagine the internal fighting over whose friends paycheck gets nailed. I know you're gonNA blow a gasket but they're hugging salary come from the Turner Are Home Entertainment Ledger. I've never heard that that's because it's not true. That's why you've never heard it and I look a this is so profoundly fucking stupid. I can't even really get upset about it. I mean this this is like a a six year old kid coming up and saying something to you that made absolutely no sense. You can't get mad at the six year old kid. It's just a six year old kid and in this case I can't even get mad about it because it's just meltzer being meltzer Turner home. Entertainment was barely operating. Entity was more of a pass through and and existed only to take Turner content whether it'd be WCW National Geographic any of the cartoon network materials and distribute attribute them through a home video distribution network that they had developed that's all they were and to suggest that Hogan's salary owlry or salary for of a better term you'll though he wasn't employees independent contractor but simply stated to suggest that Hogan's income income is income were the responsibility and were born on the Turner home entertainment side of the books as just profoundly. Probably fucking stupid not true. Let's keep it rolling here. Your boy Van Hammer. His real name is mark. Tim I boy. Why is he by boy? I didn't hire that was dusty. Rhodes dusty Rhodes Levin Hammer. Nothing against obviously does he love Johnny Badge Desi so a lot of talented algae a Lotta people. But he wasn't. My Guy didn't hire him now. I kept around longer than I should. That was on me by hiring of my guy. Stop that. That's that's the Dave Meltzer in you. See that's what happens when I said your boy because the aim on on because he no showed star cast see. Nobody likes Van Hammer on no-show. WCW Do this. The Larry Story. I think you're GONNA love this. I'm GonNa read this word for word. For meltzer's account Van Hammer was arrested on to cancel possession of illegally prescribed. Drugs Hammer turned turned himself in a few weeks ago while also arrested Was Lawrenceville Georgia physician Bryan Billingham. Who wrote the prescriptions? No details details on what drugs were involved however the humorous part of the story was when W W was contacted in the newspaper. A spokesperson claimed Hammer Hatton worked for the company. In two years there was a guy who looked just like him who had the same name and unfortunately wrestle just like him on. TV A few weeks ago just before he he turned himself in. I don't know why but I found this fucking hysterical the WCW would say no. I had ordered two years because really and honestly why would anyone of even fucking notice I once again. This sounds to me because once again again you know it was an anonymous source or a representative. So there's no names involved. There's no way to verify it no way to check it no way to contact somebody say hey. Did this really happen happen it which is typical. That's that's the national enquirer ask Tone of the garbage that they've produces be the but if if let's just give him the benefit of the doubt gave the benefit of the doubt in this situation and assumed that perhaps it's true that individual that representative would have been and I I made a disadvantage here because Alan sharp who eventually became. You know our ahead of PR came into WCW. But I'm not sure if he was there right at this point it may have been later a ninety five so the timeline on in his employment as our PR. Spokesperson is clear to me. But if it wasn't Alan Sharp who by the way was a very very buttoned up guy former military guy straight up. I mean really really credible guy that would have never lied. He just because he took his career very very seriously. It was true pro. Love him to death. It was a great guy. Great Asset if it wasn't Alan Sharp it would have been Mike Weber so I can't imagine Mike Weber outlying in suggesting something like that so in either case assuming that Davis reporting was true it had to have been one of those two individuals. I just can't imagine either one of them being dumb enough Unprofessional enough to think that anybody would buy something especially a newspaper. Outlet is obviously looking for source material and wants credible information is going to do a little bit of research and say well wait a minute. He was just on TV two weeks ago. What do you mean he wasn't with you for the last two years? I mean that's a that's a hard hard one you know for anybody to buy if that were true and I just don't believe it was. I think it was more nonsense. Let's talk about where businesses sort of year over year air from ninety two ninety three ninety four and we'll take a look at like December which was most recent months or complete one. Your average average house show tendons during December nine hundred ninety two nine hundred and thirty fans in December of ninety three and down to six hundred and forty thirty in December of ninety-four. It's two thousand nine hundred and seventy. It's really remarkable. Because when you look back and you see sort of where everything is ninety two flares. Not here Hogan's here in ninety three flares here Hogan's not here in ninety four Hogan savage and flair. Here twenty nine seventy. It's it's unbelievable but that doesn't seem to affect act television ratings. Let's take a look at December again. December ninety two your average rating two point two similar ninety three two point zero the summer ninety four one point nine. You know you have been critical and I'm sure you have the data to support it especially when we read some of the smaller gates. The House shows effectively warrant Profitable for WCW but it does feel like you had tremendous growth when compared here to prior years but still not enough to you know great profit. Well I mean there's a reason for that and I think think it's on the surface the way you just kinda laid out that timeline. All of it was true. I I'm obviously accurate. Do Your Research and I'm sure it's true So one thing that Meltzer does do pretty well is a report on gates and revenues and things like that because that's relatively easy thing to do Doesn't it doesn't have to crack a sweat But to suggest for example. And when you said and I'm paraphrasing you now I don't remember exactly what you said but the fact of the ninety three Hogan was there but Rick Flair was but we were probably in you know the average attendance of seven hundred or whatever. The average gate was in attendance that it wasn't a reflection on ric flair. No I'm just saying the difference of flare in Hogan and Macho that now it feels like man you've got a lot of the major stars in the business at that point and you know we've sort of talked about Hogan being a game changer from an An ad sales standpoint point when guys are are reaching for their briefcase and they've got hulk Hogan I mean that's a really cool sort of trump card to pull out but the remarkable remarkable difference of sort of a pre Hogan WCW and a post token WCW. It's night and day in every metric. Yeah and and I think again I got to slow down here a little bit because I'm on my Eighth Cup of coffee. So one unhelpful. I'm not the only one unhealthy thing I do. But it is one of the unhealthy things. I do consume vast just copious amounts of caffeine. Especially when I know I'm doing doing this podcast Look the the attendance came up because the base rustling audience. I don't want to call them hardcore. But the active passionate most loyal professional wrestling fans certainly came out to the arenas us. But there's not enough of a base there at least there wasn't wcw at the time There wasn't enough of a base of that audios the US to have the same impact on a national television ratings. So in other words we could go to a local market in nineteen ninety two or ninety three when bill. Watts was basically the architect of the house. Show business and hold on one second this Brigham More Caffeine on number nine nine Conrad. I hope you're tied to the chair because this is gonNA be crazy. Oh here we go back in the eighties. It would have been another instrument to give me going in the morning but now it's caffeine good caffeine but just be. She looks so hot in the morning. It's just crazy But as I was saying there's there was enough of a base audience for example we would go to a the Hampton Virginia which is less city that you mentioned we're clash was supposed to be I guess take place. Well Hampton Virginia. You've got a pretty strong base of wrestling fans. When when that strong base of wrestling fans found out new or became aware that Hogan and savage and others around the card? Sure you're gonNA get a significant impact in terms of your your live gate but that didn't necessarily translate to the national television audience because WCW was cut off of everybody's radar. You're number two but we were. We might as well Aben number thirty two compared to to wwe. We were so insignificant to the National Television Audience That while the impact initial impact of Hogan and savage had a dramatic attic effect on how show business it had a it took a lot longer for the national television audience. Direct react in the same wait because of national television audience is probably eighty percent what I would refer to as peripheral fans meaning. They're not as passionate there now. Allies loyal. But Hey if I'm if I'm home and there was nothing else going on flipping through the channels. Yeah I'll watch wrestling. I kind of get a kick out of it but they don't really follow it week after week after week after week unless you give them a reason listen to we. Did you know ninety six ninety seven ninety eight but we were building that audience. So you're right. You know Hogan Nash. The other people that we brought in I think you know producing our shows and Disney increasing the production values. I think some of the stunts that we pulled it got a lot more mainstream media given WCW ever had ninety four ninety five. You know bringing in Shaquille O'Neal and you know some of the other celebrities that we worked with the cumulative effect of of all those things slowly began to grow the television audience but not at the same trajectory as we were enjoying in the live event side of our business. A moment ago you talked about bringing a national but you mean randy savage. I'm sorry yeah too too much coffee. No big deal. Let's time is getting go ahead of my brain. Here's one that I can pretty confident so your boy. Your boy John Leveque gave notice on January tenth he'd be leaving for the WWF the F.. Turning down a contract believed to be between fifteen hundred nineteen hundred dollars a week. Apparently Leveque decision was based on a track record of the WWF. Compared to W W will be when it comes to creating new stars and felt that even though WCW had plans to make him and Steven Regal the tag champs well Sherri as their manager feuding with the baby face Harlem Heat Ninety five that he takes his chances without guaranteed money since Titan is obviously going to be pushing new blood this year hard as it can accompany meetings. Bischoff off was fuming over the vexed lack of loyalty because he took him from nothing. And this is the respect he gets. And after the example set with Ricky steamboat. I can't believe anyone one can question at W. W. Wrestler about making a decision and even considering loyalty to the company.

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

14:39 min | 1 year ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"I think about that. I say I never heard of this in my life. The he was a P. H.. I don't know that it's true. I I don't know what he did. But if it's it's true just define irony Honky tonk man as a physical education teacher that is IRA i Ronnie L.. Well Twenty twenty. Your favorite stories and I didn't realize was getting going researching the show that happened. You know around December number January here. This is remarkable. The job he refused to do was around star. Cade do you remember that. I don't remember the incident. I don't remember the van to the venue. I just remember the incidents you know. It's it's pretty clear in my mind but you know the background of it. I don't remember could have been one of my favorite bischoff lines ever is if I could wake up every day and fire the Hawk tonk man one more time every day it would be the best possible way to start my I know it. Would you know cup of coffee. You know stretch out a little bit. Take the dog for a walk and fire the Honky Tonk man. That'd be lots of they love it when you've got a case of the red ass. Let's keep it going here. Stop Ban. You're really going to get their. Ns here meltzer right. Supposedly W Lisa losses this year are going to be cut three and a half million. As opposed to the five to six million in previous years but that figure is misleading because Hogan Sour comes from Turner Turner Home Entertainment Sledger Rather Than W W ledger and Hogan between salary and bonuses and percentages would be no less than two point seven million in probably considerably hire for his six months so the real losses are the highest ever because of this there is considerable pressure to cut those losses by knocking about half a million off the payroll and and you can imagine the internal fighting over whose friends paycheck gets nailed. I know you're gonNA blow a gasket but they're hugging salary come from the Turner Are Home Entertainment Ledger. I've never heard that that's because it's not true. That's why you've never heard it and I look a this is so profoundly fucking stupid. I can't even really get upset about it. I mean this this is like a a six year old kid coming up and saying something to you that made absolutely no sense. You can't get mad at the six year old kid. It's just a six year old kid and in this case I can't even get mad about it because it's just meltzer being meltzer Turner home. Entertainment was barely operating. Entity was more of a pass through and and existed only to take Turner content whether it'd be WCW National Geographic any of the cartoon network materials and distribute attribute them through a home video distribution network that they had developed that's all they were and to suggest that Hogan's salary owlry or salary for of a better term you'll though he wasn't employees independent contractor but simply stated to suggest that Hogan's income income is income were the responsibility and were born on the Turner home entertainment side of the books as just profoundly. Probably fucking stupid not true. Let's keep it rolling here. Your boy Van Hammer. His real name is mark. Tim I boy. Why is he by boy? I didn't hire that was dusty. Rhodes dusty Rhodes Levin Hammer. Nothing against obviously does he love Johnny Badge Desi so a lot of talented algae a Lotta people. But he wasn't. My Guy didn't hire him now. I kept around longer than I should. That was on me by hiring of my guy. Stop that. That's that's the Dave Meltzer in you. See that's what happens when I said your boy because the aim on on because he no showed star cast see. Nobody likes Van Hammer on no-show. WCW Do this. The Larry Story. I think you're GONNA love this. I'm GonNa read this word for word. For meltzer's account Van Hammer was arrested on to cancel possession of illegally prescribed. Drugs Hammer turned turned himself in a few weeks ago while also arrested Was Lawrenceville Georgia physician Bryan Billingham. Who wrote the prescriptions? No details details on what drugs were involved however the humorous part of the story was when W W was contacted in the newspaper. A spokesperson claimed Hammer Hatton worked for the company. In two years there was a guy who looked just like him who had the same name and unfortunately wrestle just like him on. TV A few weeks ago just before he he turned himself in. I don't know why but I found this fucking hysterical the WCW would say no. I had ordered two years because really and honestly why would anyone of even fucking notice I once again. This sounds to me because once again again you know it was an anonymous source or a representative. So there's no names involved. There's no way to verify it no way to check it no way to contact somebody say hey. Did this really happen happen it which is typical. That's that's the national enquirer ask Tone of the garbage that they've produces be the but if if let's just give him the benefit of the doubt gave the benefit of the doubt in this situation and assumed that perhaps it's true that individual that representative would have been and I I made a disadvantage here because Alan sharp who eventually became. You know our ahead of PR came into WCW. But I'm not sure if he was there right at this point it may have been later a ninety five so the timeline on in his employment as our PR. Spokesperson is clear to me. But if it wasn't Alan Sharp who by the way was a very very buttoned up guy former military guy straight up. I mean really really credible guy that would have never lied. He just because he took his career very very seriously. It was true pro. Love him to death. It was a great guy. Great Asset if it wasn't Alan Sharp it would have been Mike Weber so I can't imagine Mike Weber outlying in suggesting something like that so in either case assuming that Davis reporting was true it had to have been one of those two individuals. I just can't imagine either one of them being dumb enough Unprofessional enough to think that anybody would buy something especially a newspaper. Outlet is obviously looking for source material and wants credible information is going to do a little bit of research and say well wait a minute. He was just on TV two weeks ago. What do you mean he wasn't with you for the last two years? I mean that's a that's a hard hard one you know for anybody to buy if that were true and I just don't believe it was. I think it was more nonsense. Let's talk about where businesses sort of year over year air from ninety two ninety three ninety four and we'll take a look at like December which was most recent months or complete one. Your average average house show tendons during December nine hundred ninety two nine hundred and thirty fans in December of ninety three and down to six hundred and forty thirty in December of ninety-four. It's two thousand nine hundred and seventy. It's really remarkable. Because when you look back and you see sort of where everything is ninety two flares. Not here Hogan's here in ninety three flares here Hogan's not here in ninety four Hogan savage and flair. Here twenty nine seventy. It's it's unbelievable but that doesn't seem to affect act television ratings. Let's take a look at December again. December ninety two your average rating two point two similar ninety three two point zero the summer ninety four one point nine. You know you have been critical and I'm sure you have the data to support it especially when we read some of the smaller gates. The House shows effectively warrant Profitable for WCW but it does feel like you had tremendous growth when compared here to prior years but still not enough to you know great profit. Well I mean there's a reason for that and I think think it's on the surface the way you just kinda laid out that timeline. All of it was true. I I'm obviously accurate. Do Your Research and I'm sure it's true So one thing that Meltzer does do pretty well is a report on gates and revenues and things like that because that's relatively easy thing to do Doesn't it doesn't have to crack a sweat But to suggest for example. And when you said and I'm paraphrasing you now I don't remember exactly what you said but the fact of the ninety three Hogan was there but Rick Flair was but we were probably in you know the average attendance of seven hundred or whatever. The average gate was in attendance that it wasn't a reflection on ric flair. No I'm just saying the difference of flare in Hogan and Macho that now it feels like man you've got a lot of the major stars in the business at that point and you know we've sort of talked about Hogan being a game changer from an An ad sales standpoint point when guys are are reaching for their briefcase and they've got hulk Hogan I mean that's a really cool sort of trump card to pull out but the remarkable remarkable difference of sort of a pre Hogan WCW and a post token WCW. It's night and day in every metric. Yeah and and I think again I got to slow down here a little bit because I'm on my Eighth Cup of coffee. So one unhelpful. I'm not the only one unhealthy thing I do. But it is one of the unhealthy things. I do consume vast just copious amounts of caffeine. Especially when I know I'm doing doing this podcast Look the the attendance came up because the base rustling audience. I don't want to call them hardcore. But the active passionate most loyal professional wrestling fans certainly came out to the arenas us. But there's not enough of a base there at least there wasn't wcw at the time There wasn't enough of a base of that audios the US to have the same impact on a national television ratings. So in other words we could go to a local market in nineteen ninety two or ninety three when bill. Watts was basically the architect of the house. Show business and hold on one second this Brigham More Caffeine on number nine nine Conrad. I hope you're tied to the chair because this is gonNA be crazy. Oh here we go back in the eighties. It would have been another instrument to give me going in the morning but now it's caffeine good caffeine but just be. She looks so hot in the morning. It's just crazy But as I was saying there's there was enough of a base audience for example we would go to a the Hampton Virginia which is less city that you mentioned we're clash was supposed to be I guess take place. Well Hampton Virginia. You've got a pretty strong base of wrestling fans. When when that strong base of wrestling fans found out new or became aware that Hogan and savage and others around the card? Sure you're gonNA get a significant impact in terms of your your live gate but that didn't necessarily translate to the national television audience because WCW was cut off of everybody's radar. You're number two but we were. We might as well Aben number thirty two compared to to wwe. We were so insignificant to the National Television Audience That while the impact initial impact of Hogan and savage had a dramatic attic effect on how show business it had a it took a lot longer for the national television audience. Direct react in the same wait because of national television audience is probably eighty percent what I would refer to as peripheral fans meaning. They're not as passionate there now. Allies loyal. But Hey if I'm if I'm home and there was nothing else going on flipping through the channels. Yeah I'll watch wrestling. I kind of get a kick out of it but they don't really follow it week after week after week after week unless you give them a reason listen to we. Did you know ninety six ninety seven ninety eight but we were building that audience. So you're right. You know Hogan Nash. The other people that we brought in I think you know producing our shows and Disney increasing the production values. I think some of the stunts that we pulled it got a lot more mainstream media given WCW ever had ninety four ninety five. You know bringing in Shaquille O'Neal and you know some of the other celebrities that we worked with the cumulative effect of of all those things slowly began to grow the television audience but not at the same trajectory as we were enjoying in the live event side of our business. A moment ago you talked about bringing a national but you mean randy savage. I'm sorry yeah too too much coffee. No big deal. Let's time is getting go ahead of my brain. Here's one that I can pretty confident so your boy. Your boy John Leveque gave notice on January tenth he'd be leaving for the WWF the F.. Turning down a contract believed to be between fifteen hundred nineteen hundred dollars a week. Apparently Leveque decision was based on a track record of the WWF. Compared to W W will be when it comes to creating new stars and felt that even though WCW had plans to make him and Steven Regal the tag champs well Sherri as their manager feuding with the baby face Harlem Heat Ninety five that he takes his chances without guaranteed money since Titan is obviously going to be pushing new blood this year hard as it can accompany meetings..

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

11:29 min | 1 year ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"It sounds like the most juvenile fucking idea was it was like Highschool Shit but it was fun as hell and I was hoping to hear about a read about it. But I'm AH. I'm guessing Vince. No sold it and was somehow able to ensure customer a couple of bucks but find a way to get a room but yeah we we. We cancelled cancelled. Israel is and was able to pull that up because of the people that he knew probably misrepresentative self to a degree. I love it it was great. That's a great story. Sorry it's it's so Eric Bischoff something else that is Eric Bischoff whether we like it or not. We're coming off the main event of your biggest pay per view view of the star. Cade this one from Nineteen ninety-four that main event went down in Nashville Tennessee. All cogan the biggest wrestling starter. Ever was defending his title against Brutus. The fucking barber beefcake After that of course hawks GONNA start a feud with a real inner vader. They're going to have the first ever match at the Super Bowl pay per view in February. So that's where we're headed We should you mentioned that There's still the seeds of what is going to be with Nitro with all the international flair Starting to bubble to the surface here a little bit I answer would report. The cruiserweight tournament has been delayed for a while because nobody has gotten their act together. As far as bringing in outside talent there Bischoff in Japan this week for the Tokyo Dome at home expect that he'll request one or two wrestlers like Otani and been Wa they have verbal deal with `Antonio To Send Two wrestlers opinion is looking the sand Straw Oughta and Eddie Guerrero. Although her Bischoff didn't want Guerrero I don't know obviously even says I've heard Bischoff didn't want Guerrero. Do you remember ever thinking. Maybe Eddie wasn't ready for Prom Tom. Or is this more rumor and Innuendo. You call it rumor in anyone to I call all at pure fiction. It's just Dave meltzer being dave meltzer he wrote something because he had to. He has ten thousand word quota for his toilet paper. He called the wrestling observer and he had to fill it up and he just makes shit up. We know that anybody listens to the show. Anybody that listens to Bruce's show anybody that's even read regularly read meltzer stuff and has witnessed. How much of it is just pure bullshit? Fabrication knows that he just make stuff up to make himself sound like he's wired into an industry that he's really not that wired into he's probably got a small network of stooges that work work out there in a rustling in various wrestling companies. Still to this day who feed him the information that they want him to pair it because he they know that's basically what he is in this case he's either making it up or was stupid enough which is highly probable to just repeat. Repeat something or infer something as a possibility that some stooge fed him. Because everybody knew if you want to read it just feed at the Dave gave. He's not smart enough and doesn't work hard enough at what he does. It doesn't have enough integrity within what he did then and what he does now to second second source or confirm with any principles evolve so it was just good. You know it's just more more diarrhea for the sewage. Pipe called you know the wrestling observer server but it wasn't true at all in fact he was one of the original cruiserweights that I brought in So it it makes no sense on on the surface. But neither most of the stuff that you read and Meltzer's dirty hypothetically run into Dave on the On on the vote no and I'm glad I didn't You know I was Kinda look at first of all Dave Pussy so it's not not like I didn't want to run into him for fear of confrontation if ecstasy opposite of that knowing how fired up I can still get even at this advanced age and and clearly not physical condition To to tangle with anybody I was more concerned for my own level of reaction than anybody somebody else's And I just didn't WanNA get on a cruise ship with that kind of attitude. Because I I tend to get that way Still to this day not as often not up to the same degree but it is part of my DNA. And I didn't run into him but interestingly Enough Booker T. did now I wasn't isn't there I in an unlike Dave Meltzer. I don't give detail or description or talk about things that one guy said and the other guy said if I wasn't there to hear it but I I had heard from someone who was at this event where this scene took place there that there was this confrontation where day meltzer decided he was going to join Booker T. and Rick Flair who were sitting at a table? I think in Green Room and upset island hell hang out with hang out with the boys being the Jackson effort that he really is although he says it's not he really really is and booker. T. Tatham from what I've been told I wasn't there. I didn't see it and went absolutely awesome. and Dave being the pussy that is of course tucked tail and ran. I heard that I thought okay travel. Gurus Guerrero's the one that told me and I heard that that's really good. I I need. Hopefully I'll run into booker again before the trip is over and asked him about it and sure enough is I was getting off the boat. Actually it's a ship. Keep calling it a boat like it's a fourteen foot fishing boat. You know on a lake when as I was disembarking off the ship in Miami I I was like the fourth one off the ship Booker T. Sharma. Were right ahead of me. And I asked Booker about it. He all lit up again. It was like seven thirty thirty in the morning. I think booker sorry. I'm sorry I brought it up but you know man I like talking about it. Be a booker. Wanted to rip his head off And I think it's important important. Dave has relationships with certain people whatever The vast majority of people who have been in the industry can't stand him in booker. T's probably right at the front of the line. Yeah I learned This last year. How much Booker does not like Mr Meltzer. But I don't know man I still like the observer another bad person but no just makes you a poorly informed ha. You're still a good person. You're just a good person that likes to read a lot. And that's one of the reasons people like a lot of people like to read the national enquirer even though they know. It's even if that still exists. I don't know but you know the tabloid news people love re if they know that it's bullshit but they like reading bullshit and that's fine but you have to take it for what it really is and not put too much stock in it Did you ever I mean I can't believe we're all the way back in down the rabbit hole the health or stuff. Have you ever just like hung out with meltzer. Why social like not wrestling not not not business business? Not just the facts Ma'am reporter town subject but just like have a couple beers or breakfast or whatever ooh I don't think so. I mean if if I did it was brief or it was incidental meeting. There may have been other people around in a group group setting and you know because it was a time. When I talked to Dave I opened it I opened my you know? Open my office up to date. If he had acquire under reason I did. It is because he was so poor at your reporting facts and I understood that you know. Nobody will talk to him. Well then he's going to report whatever here's because he's not going to do any work not gonNA actually go to events in right about them. He's going to rely on somebody who bought a ticket. Who is going to tell is going to report back today? What is show was like based on you know Dave's own prejudices and agenda so I thought well what a better way to try to fix that? Just open it up and Zane. Breslau was was the person to convince me to do that and I did until pillow. Got to the point where you know. Even though I gave him access he would still right stupid shit. I don't fuck it. You can't get changes colors. He is what he is. He's never going to really do the work. He's Never GonNa have the integrity at that he should have. He's not going to check his sources. He's just gonNA write bullshit so that was the end of that so there may have been a period of time. You know when I was trying to develop a relationship with Dave through through Zane Where we may have gotten together nothing stands out in my mind? Can't you know recall one incident. But it's possible. I Guess Super Nice guys. The reason I mentioned I have been able to hang out with him and social savings and Great Guy and I just think that you guys would if you met him and you didn't know he was Dave Meltzer. You guys will be fast France but that will never happen. MELTZER would right Hogan has a meeting this week to discuss revival thunder in paradise with a new name Thunder Force In which a four person team Hogan's team Mr T.. And a female martial artists would all be equal co-stars. Of course we know. This didn't come to pass. How close was this becoming reality? A STING MR T. Hogan TV show in nineteen ninety five. This is the first. I'm hearing about it so it at. I'm not saying that there hadn't been a conversation that sounded something like. Hey what if we did this. Or because of hogs relationship with Russia entertainment the people that were producing thunder in paradise. It may be an idea. I don't know but it was not something that I was a part of a discussion that I was evolved in nor nor do I remember hearing it until just now so who knows. It could have been just chatter that they reported as fact which again at the beat it to death but that wasn't unusual or it it could could have been a conversation at somebody had at one point. What if that Like I said is somehow somehow made its way to the newsletter and somebody who needed a safety net themselves is the Honky tonk man it makes the observer here the hockey top man deal was. He refused to do a job for johnny bad. As asked stark aid hurting the one source he would have done it had he received a contract. WCW is willing to offer him one but the the two sides where about fifty thousand dollars on a price tag and it looks. As though aren't Anderson will be replacing him against Johnny bad at the clash. Monkhouse buck worked as his replacement on the house shows this week on the live show Bischoff jokes that Honky tonk man couldn't stand the heat and went back to school. Teaching hockey was is working as a physical education teacher before we went back. WC Ironic is that Honky tonk man a physical education teacher..

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

05:20 min | 1 year ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"Eric Bischoff Eric. What's going on man Harry you? Oh Man I'm still digging the sand between my toes. After of the four days I spent on the Chris Jericho cruise which was kind of a blast to say the least really really had a great time. Maybe a lot of people again. You know seeing about guys that I've worked the pass and ladies that I've worked with in the past and you gotta really tip my hat to Chris Jericho and his team six men that put together that event because it was a really really well run cruise everything went really smoothly with the exception of some pretty choppy seas. On one of the mornings he lasted about a couple of hours. Everything was fine but Just get back into the swing of things here Were Mississippi and I are winding down our last week in Florida. And then we're going to be coming coming up to hang with you and Megan for a couple days and then we're gonNA make our way up to Minnesota visit family and friends and then ultimately eventually finally on our way back to cody Wyoming. So just getting geared up for all that I'm excited about coming to visit am excited about what we're doing next week here on the show with Hashtag. ASHTEC ask Eric Anything. If you haven't already go out of your way to follow us on twitter at eighty three weeks and be sure to look for an image pin near the top or you get to pick Eric's brain next week but unfortunately we're talking about a clash of the champions. That was not the best ever clash of the Champions Thirty today is our topic. Went Down January. Twenty Fifth Nineteen ninety-five Procedures Palace. And that is an interesting look for. WCW because we know that the next year we're GONNA have Halloween havoc become a staple at the MGM grand and it was a big part. And what you guys did for a long time but before you were there you were at. Caesar's how did the relationship with Caesar's come to be. I mean it wasn't really much of a relationship ship. They had a a venue. They're typically was used for boxing Some the smaller boxing cards and we reached out to Caesar's and to see if it was available in in book that venue but there was unlike the MGM grand which we developed a relationship with with that really started with zebras lofts relationship with the folks over Red Mgm. This was a cold call more or less we just knew we wanted to come for biggest nappy which if you don't know if you're listening to this nasty was the national solo associated television producers and something or another. Whatever it's called it was a real Bonani was a really big deal back in the eighties in particular In early ninety s when television syndication was a a very big part of television business in general but wrestling in particular. And if if you don't mind kyle take a moment just to kind of dig into the weeds a little a bit here because you know we often talk those of us are in the business certainly including you. Now that you've been doing what you're doing for so long and have so much knowledge inch a lot of people listening. They hear that term nappy. It's an acronym obviously don't really know what it is or what it represents. And how fit into the industry back when television syndication and I mean syndication or what I mean by syndication is where for example with WCW with we obviously actually produce the You know W W Saturday night for TBS WCW main event for TBS on Sunday right but we had WCW pro. Oh which which was a show in and it was produced on the road in in venues in arenas it wasn't a compilation show or clip show. It was it was a standalone show. Oh but WCW pro was a show that we produced specifically for syndication syndication really means up. You produce this tape and then you. You have a contractual relationship with independent television stations all around the country and you produce that show you edited down and you distribute it to your your network of Independent Television stations in the air and there's two reasons why we did that or why it was done. We went to. We weren't the only ones doing we. Meaning Turner W W W e did the exact same thing But the the reason we had to really focus on syndication invest heavily in syndication is because back in the eighties early nineties is powerful as tbs was WCBS as a superstation station. It's still the network. Didn't have ninety or ninety five percent coverage that was early early cable and did. WCBS was one of the more powerful cable super stations. Excuse me including a wgn which was also superstation nation but in order to attract advertisers. You had to have a certain percentage of the US so for example. And I don't know what the numbers were exactly exactly so please don't ask but For example if WCBS superstation had an.

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

02:13 min | 1 year ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

07:12 min | 2 years ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"That, that was a temporary situation. You know, our new he was walking on thin ice because he was he was partially responsible for what went down, that totally that say he started it, but he certainly facilitated it based on all the reports that I had from everybody who is objective, who did see it happen. So there was nobody in that equation was guilt free. And I think if, if anybody accepts that premise, or that position that I took at that time that nobody was guilt free yet. You had to find them, you had to hurt them financially, you had to make an example out of them, but it wasn't a death sentence. So, yeah, I would have had a conversation. But believe me, I had a conversation with Arnold before that are knew that he was on thin ice as a result of that event. He knew. That there were a lot of people within Turner, Broadcasting didn't want them, both fired permanently like forever permanently never come back. And yeah, I had to manage that in both of their cases not just for sits. But as for arm, too. So just put the whole situation in context, not just the part of it that certain writers feel the need to jump all over to further their agenda. I guess I would mention that the very next day. You guys had a situation but made some news melted. Right. Rena Mero appearance on nitro on June fourteenth while still under contract that they're gonna be F raises a lot of legal questions Merrill, seen in the front row at nitro with numerous camera close ups coming out, just before ten pm and a Kevin Nash interview, the crowd reacted big her to the point that Nash was attempting to interview. And there was a huge sable chant. In addition, those a sign that may have been a plant shown clearly on camera. That said, sable one, Vince McMahon. Zero there were numerous close ups honor waving the camera for the remainder of the show. She was never identified as either sable or Rena mirro. And Eric Bischoff was the only one who really commented on her just noting that he seemed playboy and making cryptic comments earlier in the week on the internet, Bischoff tragedies that she alluding to a female with blonde hair and litigation against a wrestling promoter. But never saying. Arena, Mero, was the driver of the humvee that ran into Nash, however, all WCW answers were instructed on television, not even to go so far to tease that it may have been a woman driving the humvee after said vicious that has run into the pay per view in Baltimore. Bischoff made it a point on nitro. The next day to say that said, wasn't the driver and the driver appeared to been a woman, although never teasing anything on TV that would lead viewers to believe that he meant Mrs Moreau other w w personnel that evening were instructed not to reference Mero by any name, WCW strong to say she bought a ticket to the show, but her Wf contract, specifically forbids hermit he and appearance of this type on a WCW broadcast. So, of course, there's a lot of legal wrangling here. There's been precedents set with you guys going back and forth through the court system. The WB going to send a cease and desist to her saying, she can't use the name sable And you know, they're clearly not happy, talk to us a little bit about how this came to be how she wound up in the front row and given all the legal shit, you had to put up with why you decided to press forward with it. You know, I wasn't involved with the details of, of her showing up, she didn't contact me at this point in dusty was booking Kevin was booking. Other people on the booking committee with them most of the creative that was being done was being done through them. This would have been one of those cases, my guests in it's only guess would have been she probably came through Kevin Nash, because I think that's what the relationship would have been could could be wrong about that. But I if I had to bet money, that's what where I bet it in terms of, you know, where we stood legally, you know, and, and maybe meltzer's, a lawyer, too. You know, maybe knows more about the law than most people. But believe me after what we had gone through with WWE and, and the trademark and copyright in litigation that we had gone through all of that we. He didn't do anything that we didn't run through legal. I and again legal wasn't a part of WCW legal was a part of Turner Broadcasting. So something like that did get run through Turner legal, and we were given guidelines on how we could do it and how we couldn't do it, and we worked within those guidelines creatively. Speaking. End of desperation, no doubt about it. A hint of trying to create a buzz and creates some controversy knowing that it wasn't really gonna pay off, you know, anytime in the near future. And really didn't have anywhere to go. Listen to you kind of read it back to me. I'm kind of guessing that, you know, even the inference that it might have been a woman driving the Hummer and all that it was kinda like improvisational. Wasn't really part of a plan just kind of an opportunistic. Hey, what if we what if we imply this without going too far without stepping over the guidelines that we were given by legal? What if we do this just to cut heighten the controversy in the speculation of the create a little bit of a buzz? But again in hearing it back. It's it sounds like kind of K mart blue light special kind of creative move. Cheap lets us mention here that you guys are going to continue to say, oh, she bought a ticket, even though she shows up with security, and it's front row take. So that's not real. But I know I bet. No. And hearing this back. I really pay for it, but you held the it was a copy solar. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. We knew knowing what was going on how I would handle it today, knowing what I know now and I know I do, just as much by this point, then is I don't know, at this point, if somebody would come to me and said, look, this is what we wanna do. We would have had to run it through legal. I'm guessing legal to said, make sure she buys her on ticket and keep a receipt. Yeah. 'cause that's you're out. So I don't know that it was all a work. Yes. She made had security so did a lot of other celebrities, you know, from time to time, but I'm guessing, and I think it's really then I'm guessing abetting. And I believe it's a really safe bet that she bought her own ticket edgy kept a receipt, because that's what she was still the do she response to USA today, story or any USA today stories saying that she attended the events. If the same level of obscenity was taking place on nitro, and it was not of. Of course, she came to the wrong show. Yeah..

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

14:03 min | 2 years ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"You got a pair these the same day. I did your wife love him as much as mine. Rockets. You know what my sure is similar to yours? I was gone all last week. It was traveling from Monday to, I don't think I got home until flighty night late Friday up early. And I came home and I see this, this box the break on e fifty ear, buds, sitting next to my laptop, right? Normally sit up take your most. My business. I'm looking at that going. Where do these come from us Lawrence? So where do these couple of she goes? Well, they got delivered. You must have bought them because I you know, I just I was faced out because it was been a busy week travel time luck going on. So it's like a couldn't connect the dots. I knew that we had a new sponsor con. But I just didn't connect it to Zere butts some looking at this box like hours. How the hell did. I order these not remember it and ROY says, well, maybe when you're on the plane, you had a couple.

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

08:06 min | 2 years ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"And now everyone is laughing at Bischoff on air claim the HOGAN cares about the industry people. Can't believe that an. Casually. Selfish star like HOGAN has snowed Bischoff into thinking he cares about the welfare of the industry over his own welfare. So I'll let you there's a lot to pack in their first of all thought you defended Nash gracefully, as will you as well as you could in the public forum. But what do you take what do you think about Wade's? Take that the only way you can turn this around is to do what you've always done, go, write a check. Surreal. I it's interesting. Let's, let's break that again, you know, you that was a dump truck full of stupid shit, and I've got to kind of dick through all and. And, and, and kind of pick up the pieces that I can talk about Muslim singly, first of all, let's if you believe in Wade, Keller's theory, and perspective at that time. The only thing that Bischoff is ever done was, what hulk HOGAN wanted him to do. That's basically the premise, right? Well, I can tell you that hall Cogan hated the cruiserweight division. He fucking hated it. Did that stop me from doing it? No. Oh, Cogan hated the fact that I was bringing in not only for the cruiserweight division, but bringing in a lot of the Hispanic Russia's jeopardy's restless, be not because he didn't appreciate them and because he didn't respect them because he believed that the audience doesn't know them and they don't know their characters. Why are we giving you know, so much of our television time to it? Did that stop me from doing it? No did when, when I challenged let's go back even further when I started giving away finishes you know to the WWF early on would nitro hulk HOGAN hated it to stop me from doing it at any point. Absolutely not. So there were so many flaws in that premise in reality, that it, it's hard to take those types of comments as anything other than WCW was trending down. There was a lot of anxiety amongst WCW fan. Casual and otherwise, the battle between WCW and WWF or WWE whatever the hell it was at the time, you know, had really peaked. And now WWE was was taking over. And there was a, a bandwagon effect guys like Wade Keller and Dave Meltzer. And, and others were writing these dirt sheets at the time whose income in their ability to pay their bills was dependent solely on their ability to cater to their audience. And that's what all of this kind of bullshit was because as I just pointed out, and that's just, you know, and of course of three minutes. How many factual errors existed in the premise that you just laid out? I didn't have to hang my hat on anything other than what I believe, to be true. And what I believed would work, I never had that pressure from, you know, the people above me is a matter of fact until. Really until the day, I got let go on September tenth nineteen ninety nine nobody ever talked about me to me about creative, or why they were. They were focused on EBA. They were focused on the bottom line. They were focused on a lot of other things. But the, the creative of the product was never ever, not even casually. A discussion between me and any my superiors. So from a factual point of view versus the sofa fulling. So fulfilling agenda of Dave Meltzer, and in this case Dave Wade Keller. It's all bullshit. It's the, the I hate HOGAN agenda was so strong. At that time, he was like the root of all evil, you know, it was really if it wasn't for Cogan, Eric Bishop wouldn't be in a position he's in. If it wasn't for hulk HOGAN, Eric Bischoff wouldn't be doing this. He wouldn't be doing that. Well, if it wasn't for hulk HOGAN, we would've never never been able to pull. The nose up on a franchise who, by the way, was run by creatively, and otherwise, all these so-called wrestling experts, Bill watts and others who I love and respect who weren't able to achieve one tenth of what I achieved. So when you ask me how I feel about that? I look at the total picture show me, one person who grew up as a wrestling fan who is ever gone on to become a successful head writer or had Booker was a Brian words. No, I don't think Br I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll have to call Bryan and ask him was. He a, a huge wrestling fan as a kid growing up. I don't know. You know who, who, who are these people that were out there that had all of this wrestling experience, a creative abilities, and understood arts and pacing timing? Just flicking words that he pulled out of a magazine somewhere. He doesn't really know what they are didn't I should say because it's. It's silly. I don't want to keep talking about it because I'll just get myself wound up again. I conclude my I include my analysis of that tripe. Tripe by the way, the internal intestinal organs of Macau, they use, they use it to make menudo, which is basically gut soup. That's what I think of that kind of crap. Here's your response in this W, W dot com. Chat about the four horsemen breaking up numbers, don't lie as much as we wish they were lying numbers. Don't lie. And you look at the focus on the four horsemen since really last November and take it look at what's happened with the love Mer the numbers since last November, and they're pretty much sums it up. You mean the internet as majority I if we if there was one unified vote, I think most people would say Eric Bischoff, didn't like the four horsemen, and that's certainly the take away to chat like this unit. Correct. That narrative. I can't correct it because I set it. And hearing it back. I was wrong. I just was. You know, the four horsemen didn't work because it wasn't. It wasn't produced. Well, there was the, the creative was lacking. Look, the four horsemen were and to a degree. Still are, you know, one of those iconic kind of periods during this industry that people of all ages, especially now with the WWE network because people can go back and watch some of the stuff that, you know, whose parents might not have been born when it was going on. Wow. Did I say that? And I you know it didn't work. It wasn't working, but it wasn't because it couldn't have worked. It's because it wasn't being produced the way it needed to be produced. And I recognize that now talking about thing. He said, is there the heat feature in WCW? Here's a guy who despite some ups and downs in the spot, some opportunities and so missed opportunities in a whole of internal strife and so forth. This guy is still day in day out, one of the most successful characters in the industry. It can't hurt that character you can only underestimate that character even the ball at anytime stink in probably be the most dominant character in the industry. How about that? I was right. Well, what else can I say? I was absolutely right on the money. Let's talk about the great American bash and Meltzer wrote of this show. I think you're gonna like this. The great American bash can be summed up in five words. This.

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

11:45 min | 2 years ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"Tell myself every time I do this show like fifteen minutes before I drink my coffee I have my Cup of tea, but dog for like I stretch out a little bit. I look at my notes, I kind of a agenda and at the very end of that agenda of list of things that I need to do and not do right there at the end of that is don't get pissed off about stupid ass. Dave Meltzer comments because there's too many of them. They don't really mean anything and I get my, my blood pressure goes up, I start to break. Fuck it. Cold sweat, and I don't wanna do it anymore. So they're not gonna get mad. I'm cool with it now David genius. He's he is. He is the he is the Walter Cronkite of sports senators. Nobody walking the face of the earth that knows more about the wrestling business. Not Vince McMahon. Not Eric Bischoff. You know, nobody it is really Dave Meltzer. He is the center of knowledge. In these sports, entertainment, professional wrestling university. We should all bow down to Dave Meltzer because he short me needs. It God damn Mark the time of day, we finally agree on something, man. That's great. Let's keep it going here. Charles Robinson makes the observer is written that he suffered a bruised esophagus. And a possible collapsed long on the may seventeenth nitro taking Randy Savage's, big elbow finisher off the top Meltzer would say the bump is harder to take now because savage is overly protective of his bad knee, which means the elbow lands with more force than ever before and Robinson is only about one hundred and forty five pounds. And he doesn't have the thick chest that most of the wrestlers who take the move. He's taken to the hospital after the match and this is the same Ilbo that would break a couple of ribs on Domino's page, who's not one hundred and forty five pounds. When do you remember, I hear in God, damn Randy savage is laying these fucking elbows in? He's always had. History of Latam or you always had should say, correct me you always had a history of being a little stiff on the finish. You know it wasn't new. But it was getting, I think is Randy, you know got a little older. Got a little heavier go a little slower got a little less Atlantic towards the end of his career. It became a little bit more of a pronounced problem. But he had always been, you know from what I've heard I never took one. So I can't speak from experience. But I remember, you know, everybody that knew they were going to have to take one go the really did do we have to do that. So it, it wasn't unusual, but certainly in look, I, I can't tell you from personal experience. When you're, I don't care if you're thick chested. If you're, you know, a bodybuilder whatever hokey, if you're two hundred and fifty pounds, if you're not used to take him bumps if you're not if your body isn't conditioned to Impact on a nightly basis daily basis over an extended period of time because it's a different kind of conditioning. If you're not used to it, I don't care how big you are. You're going to get hurt. And certainly that is exacerbated when you're one hundred and forty five one hundred fifty pounds and you're a guy that's not used to take him pumps. It's, it's hard on your body. I think that's one of the reasons just to kind of extend that thought. And I began noticing this even when I was in the Awa when I was still, you know, learning on the job in every way you know, it was the, the guys who always got hurt. Or got hurt consistently are the guys that didn't work consistently the guys that were out there working five six seven days a week. There were always, you know, in the ring constantly, you know, taking bumps. They rarely got her in a kind of flew in the face of logic to me, it's got up. You do something that's dangerous six times a week, aren't you more likely to get hurt than somebody that only does it twice a week and is logical as that sounds to someone who's never done it for a living? Like I was it actually starts to make sense when, when you understand the kind of conditioning that occurs when you when you do take bumps all the time. So it was a double edged sword. Randy was getting heavier, and I don't mean just heavier weight wise. But I mean he was getting heavier with that elbow for a lot of reasons, probably including the knee issue at doesn't surprise me would probably have to deal with that. But also, the, the fact that somebody that he shouldn't have been taking it bump, took it as probably what exacerbated it. Let's talk about Jesse Ventura. On the may thirty first nitro, you make some interesting comments about Jesse Ventura, Tony mentions that you were on. Larry King Live the prior week and you suggest even tourism Joe and that you think people will see through Jesse Ventura because he talks out of both sides of his mouth. And that's what's made it a good politician, a perfect politician. In fact, and you say whatever happens to get him the most amount of press at any opportunity is what he's going to pitch anything that benefits Jesse. He'll be out there, trying to talk to anybody who will listen to him. So he's in a good spot, and quote, here's a guy that made a bigger career talking about the fact that he used to be arrest ler. Then he ever made actually being wrestler. I mean by today's standards he'd be lucky to be a mid card player. But according to Jesse he was the greatest thing that ever happened to the wrestling industry in the minds of the media. He's an expert you've often been credited with. Being the guy who fired Jesse Ventura. What do you remember about your little diatribe here? Obviously, this comes up because Jesse has just been very successful in Minnesota politics and made some headlines. I mean, I remember doing the interview, and I believe the interview came about as a result of Owens, passing. Pretty sure that's accurate. But. Perhaps, not to go back and look at that because I do, I was only on Larry King. I think once in terms of my comments part of that was me and character part of that was speaking on a personal, you know, from a personal perspective. You know, making a big admit of Minnesota politics is almost laughable, if you look at politics of Minnesota but. Here. I want to button this up on Jessie. I respect Jesse Ventura. I may not agree with a lot of the things that he's said or that eat, maybe even he says, but Jesse clearly is gone on to parlay in an amazing life, an interesting career incredible opportunities as a result of his is. Time in professional wrestling. And I and I respect that. So for me to go back and kind of peel, the scabs off old old wounds and things like that is kind of living in the past and negatives. I'm just not going to do it, but suffice to say to answer your question as best I can not remembering exactly what I said or why I said it, but in the context of doing that interview, part of me was in character. Part of me was trying to, you know, I wrote the book controversy creates cash oftentimes when you saw me on camera, whether it was in a Larry King interview, or on or anywhere else. First and foremost, it was about my business and how best to serve business, not necessarily how best to serve my own personal, lots of Genda that sounds like a cop out, probably is. But that's my answer. And I'm sticking to it. Later in the show. You also say that W W isn't the number one accompanying company anymore. And you knew that this is due to some stakes that you made including some talent decisions, and you said, you wouldn't go into detail, but you did say that w w has the best roster of big name wrestlers ever under one roof and you hadn't been at the announce table recently, but you hadn't noticed how much fun it is to be in the arena during the commercial breaks because the nitro, girls dance and heynen said the brakes are more entertaining than the matches later in the show. The show they showed savage partying with three women in his limo and Medusa screams, as two trucks, blocked their limo against the arena, wall Nash, then got out of a septic truck, and brought a host limos sunroof, and Puerto Brown substance into the limo. And it was awkwardly post produced since the limo standing still on a wide shot. And the inside camera is showing limo MU. Moving savage in the women, eventually escaped the limo and are covered in his Brown water, and they curse Nash and gag, of course, this is team madness. That's Medusa savages girlfriend at the time, gorgeous George who believes real name is Stephanie pillars and miss madness who go on to become Molly Holly and WWE. This feels very Vince Russo like, but this is pre Russo. This is a fun question. I asked him, I don't know what I'll get to ask it again. Who book this shit? Oh, who booked shit? Isn't that funny? Good one, gutter add you're on your game. You know, that would have been you know, there's probably a combination of Kevin Nash myself, Kevin. I think Kevin was really managing a lot of the creative at this point, pretty sure it was I don't think it was any one person's idea was probably a group of us past the idea around kind of tweak Ditton spun it up a little bit where needed to be spun up in terms of it being, you know, a Russo like idea. You know, go back and look at a lot of the crazy shit that we did backstage. This isn't the first time we did crazy shit backstage, we'll, we'll see stuff, you know, here on this view coming up with attack dogs that had never been done before backstage to, I don't think anybody would say that was Russo like stuff. So it wasn't unusual for us to do some over the top ship backstage, no pun intended, because it worked, you know, it, it it'd been working for a number of years. It's one of the reasons nitro became successful when it did because we opened up the backstage area as part of a ring, meaning we would let stories develop somewhere outside of the confines of eighteen by eighteen or twenty by twenty foot rang and WWE's case and make the whole arena, our stage and sometimes outside of the arena. I don't think it was anything new or unusual. How do you go about pitching macho man being covered? And she at. You know, I was. I was thinking about that, as I was watching this, you know, to review its you and. You know, for all the. All the flack almost all the crap. But all the flack that guys like Landy in hog and others will give or not wanting to do jobs and putting themselves in a bad position. You know, Roddy piper included everybody. Rini was such not only in this scene backstage, but you know, as we'll see in this pay per view, ready was a he was a very generous guy, you know, the challenge was in this was almost always the case with me. Whether it's Rick flair HOGAN, Randy savage. Righty piper. You know, you name it when it comes.

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

11:16 min | 2 years ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"Beat him. This is all directly from the observer, quote, Jay Leno was laughing all the way through this to make sure nobody took any of this series, sleet, and laughed, especially hard at the idea that Goldberg was actually injured when Leno brought up bring the two hundred and fifty thousand in cash for the match Nash balked and said he's Br he'd bring a cashier's check which made Nash look bad. Of course, we know that brats. Parents on the twenty fourth for this match would wind up being canceled because his brother Owen, tragically passed away the night before at the over the edge, pay per view. You've told the story about making that call and having a conversation with Brett when you got the unfortunate news, talk to me, a little bit about what the plan was supposed to be because obviously, you know, there was no payoff here. No, there was no payoff in it. Specific. Details on what the match was supposed to be like, what the finish was supposed to be like, I'd be making shit up, like often people do in these situations. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that to our listeners. I can't tell you what the finish was going to be where the story was going to go, this was a promotional opportunity. It was a away as we just discussed to build an awareness of our product in an audience, it of in a day, part or in this case night, part that we don't otherwise really have access to. So can't really tell you, you know, I don't wanna make anything up. We just had the shift gears in the middle of the stream in terms of, you know, Dave's critique of j, you know, not taking it seriously in laughing and joking. If it happened, it was a valid critique I'm not so sure, Dave wouldn't understand this because he doesn't really understand the wrestling business as much as he thinks he does. But again, going back to what we talked about earlier. Yeah there's a little bit of a risk there. But the reward is, is white greater. I think are consistent presence on NBC was very valuable thing and keep in mind the tonight, show's not a, a wrestling show. We weren't going to turn it into a serious intense kind of an opportunity every single time that we took advantage of it. So, you know, I'll take the criticism of J treating it too lightly or, you know, possibly, making heaven look bad, because he said he was gonna bring a cashier's check, I, I think that's kind of nitpicking, but whatever everybody's entitled to their opportunity or their opinion. I should say let's keep it moving here because rent is on Larry King Live. And he says, there's a distinct difference in the class between one company and the other, for example, when I found out about this tragedy. I was mad at the airport in Los Angeles by Eric Bischoff. And he immediately chartered an airplane at the company's expense, and flew me back. He told me and it was so kind I've never had any promoter say this to me said. All the time you need, and we'll be waiting for you. When you come back. It's situations like that kind of unheard of in that situation, I do want Eric Bischoff, and the people that WCW to know that I really do appreciate it. My family appreciates it. That's kind of nice to hear Eric Bischoff beings. Fucking about favorably by Bret Hart win that has not always been the case that is sort of unusual in wrestling for someone to come out and say tech all the time you need. I guess I don't know. I, I had never been in that position myself nor was. I in proximity to it involving anyone else. I, I don't know what was unusual or not. It just, you know, it was it was the right thing to do under the circumstances pros devastated. When I met him at the airport is, as one might expect he had heard the news actually on the plane, somehow. Somebody in Canada. I don't know if it was a members of his family or, or whatever, but somebody was able to, to get a hold of the airlines because they knew that Brett was in the air and the air, traffic control. Actually communicated the news to the pilots on board that plane, and I was, you know, I, I was I want to say nervous but I was certainly apprehensive about being the one to break the news to brat, once he walked out there playing, and it was a late flight in, I remember it being like ten or ten thirty at night. So the airport at LAX wasn't really full. And I got there early because I didn't wanna miss miss the flight for new reason. And I remember just sitting there dreading, you know, having 'cause I've never been in that position before dreading have tragic having to tell him and it was apparent to me, as soon as he walked off the plane that he already knew. And I was somewhat relieved personally. But still you by the look on his face. I was I was moved emotionally by it as anybody. Would be nothing unusual about that. But yeah, just seemed to be the right thing to do. Let's talk about a report that made the observer. And this is this is something I know you're gonna wanna take your time with Eric Bischoff told some of the wrestlers on may seventeenth before nitro that they were going to focus, the company round, ten wrestlers who weren't named but are believed to be ho-. Cogan Domin, Dallas page. Randy savage, RIC flair. Kevin Nash, Scott hall, staying Brad Hart Roddy piper and Goldberg Alba Goldberg are over forty years old, and everyone else is going to have to wait for their push. This is diametrically different from what just about everyone following the situation believes, is the way to cure the problem if such a cure exists, Bischoff, in a lengthy interview that aired on the first hour of nitro that was largely as a shoot and amazingly admitted while it's obvious, it's still amazing that it was admitted because I've never seen a wrestling company in history going on television in the midst of a war. Even a one sided war in practically admit to being on top and blowing it. And now being number two the truth. Some of the current situation and he talked about the plan to bring things back in the plan is to build everything around the old guys in particular, most of the ten wrestlers to be focused around don't work, how shows because they have limited date deals. So the house shows will continue to consist of two or three the main event guys flare paid and sometimes Goldberger staying and being filled in with guys like Ben wom Linko Saturn raven. Mysterious Conan who aren't going to get serious pushes, and then they're being counted on to go on the road and semi main events and make people wanna see those lava vents as believe Bischoff talked with HOGAN who brought him to this conclusion that those are the guys who the money players and nobody else can draw money at this point only a few of those ten still mean much because they've all had their knees clip so many times, bishoff, even apparently told one of the second group wrestlers, if not more that they had to try to push the younger, guys. But the ratings had fallen, and it didn't work everyone was trying to figure. Out when the period was where they tried to push those younger guys. Besides if they did try to push the younger guys, now, it would fail miserably for the short run because they've all been buried for so long, but the idea is to have the patience to get them over. And that, that lack of patience and worrying about Tuesday's is now the downfall and the guaranteed things won't change substantially in the foreseeable future. So it is sort of a Meltzer, paints, a damned if you do damned if you don't picture where, hey, this is probably the direction you need to take, but it won't work in the short term and things looked bleak. You feel the need to pull the nose up. So you go with what, you know, has worked in the past, and he credits HOGAN with an idea, I guess, sort of break this down step by step. He remember saying, hey, we're going to build it around ten guys. Do I remember specifically that meeting having that conversation? No. But again, this is N you. I mean you covered a lot of ground there. So it's possible for me to respond to all of it accurately. But look. Were we in a where we in a tough situation where I had to communicate to the talents, an end to the staff not just to the talent that we've got to come up with a strategy that we know is going to work. Sure, you know, I'll take his recollection of it. If I did it on an interview on nitro, then, you know, it's public record, we could all go back and watch it and figure out what the hell I said. But again, as Dave so often does is he weaves his own agenda, which is anti HOGAN, anti WCW, clearly anti Eric Bischoff. He we've so much his own personal. Inadequacies into his commentary about a given situation. Some of it being true. Some of it just Dave having, you know. Adequacy issues and feeling the need to project his agenda. You know, it's, you know it's hard for me to not get defensive about certain things like this here, we're gonna we're just about to talk about. You know, the June thirteenth nineteen ninety nine pay per view. Where Dave is talking about how I you know, I'm just not going to give young guys their push. We're going to talk about the Ray mysterious Conan match here in just a few moments. We're gonna, you know, we can talk long and hard, about Christiane dean. Malingco Crispin wa all these young guys who are really ascending in their careers at this point. And as a result of it ended up being top stars in WWE. I mean, in a jerk owes case. Now in e w you know, I mean it's one thing to say always not pushing young guys. It's another thing to go back and say, okay, look, let's look at what happened between nineteen ninety seven and two thousand where did these guys? That have become household names fucking come from. They didn't pop out of the God, damn ground. Right. It didn't get dropped off from fricken spaceship. They got their push. They got exposure Ramos, stereo, especially as is a prime example, as well as Chris Jericho and others that we can point to joining this window of time. Where presumably I wasn't giving, you know, the young guys push the comment that I wanna make while I've got my, you know, my fist separated throw a punch is, you know, an all of this strategy came from hulk HOGAN, Dave is a fucking putts. He has no idea what he was talking about, then as he has no idea for the most part. What he's talking about now when it comes to this type of speculation in gender driven tripe, and that's all it is. Dan? You gotta give me all riled up in the morning. Hate it. I go into these things I say to myself, honest, to gosh, it, it's like when I have to go into a crowded restaurant or shopping mall, or an airport 'cause I'm not a really big fan of crowds and noise, I'm just not. And if I don't prepare myself and talk to myself for about fifteen minutes before I do it. It's easy for me to, you know,.

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

02:25 min | 2 years ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"Ninety-one then he would go back there for ninety six ninety eight ninety nine and then, of course, the final great American bash in two thousand why it was Baltimore such a great city for you guys. Well, I think you know in. First and foremost, the northeast has always been a hotbed for sports entertainment, professional wrestling, whatever you wanna call it. Not only because of the WWW Fs longtime presence in the northeast. But obviously as you pointed out the NWEA it was a stronghold for the NWEA for a long, long time. I think part of that, you know, I wasn't there in the beginning, obviously, I didn't get to WCW until nineteen Ninety-one Ninety-two whenever it was. But prior to my arrival. I think a lot of the management from the previous NWEA who came over to WCW had longstanding relationships with, you know, the arena management in, in the market, whether it's, you know, the arena, or radio stations or newspapers or whatever it may be. It just made promoting their much easier. And there was you know, kind of an indigenous stronghold of, of us sling fans in that market. But before we go on Conrad, I want to say when you let me know that we were going to be covering, great American bash nineteen ninety nine my first reaction was really. We have to do something from nineteen ninety nine because every time we do. I just wanna throw up in my mouth. It's, it's, it's not it's I it's not my favorite period in terms of my relationship with WCW, but after going back and reviewing the show, I've got to say, I am jacked to dig into this, and I can't wait to hear what some of the criticisms from the various, you know, provocateurs of wrestling commentary had to say about this because I, I feel very strongly about, I think it's going to be a fun show to go through, well, no, no criticism for Baltimore from me. Tony, an Argonaut Tony shivani, that is are gonna make our way to Baltimore this coming weekend. Works are going to be in Saint Louis this Saturday at off-broadway can get your tickets now for like thirty something bucks, and here all kinds of stories that we can't tell on the podcast. And this'll be Tony's first trip to Saint Louis because of his crazy baseball and football and. Basketball schedule, who knows when he'll be able to get back to Saint Louis..

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"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

02:42 min | 2 years ago

"eric bischoff" Discussed on 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff

"Hey, it's Conrad Thompson. You're listening to eighty three weeks with their Bischoff air. What's going on? Man. Harry, you will tell you what's going on Conrad. I'm feeling just Ricky awesome this morning. Got up early. Pounded some had a little bit of TI took my dog. Nikki for nice hike. I'm ready to go. And here's the best part, when we're done with this. I'm going to go pull my passport out of the safe start packing my bags 'cause I'm heading down under to Australia. We're going to have a live show in Sydney of the twenty first at the factory theatre in Brisbane on the twenty second at the foundry, and Melbourne on the twenty third at Thornberry theater. And I'm really looking forward to it. If you want to get.

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