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Moby Dick Chapter Eight

5 Minutes in Church History

00:00 sec | 4 months ago

Moby Dick Chapter Eight

"Welcome to five minutes in churches hosted by Dr. Stephen Nicholson where we take a little break from the presence to go exploring the past travel back in time as we look the people events, and even the places that shaped the story of Christianity this is our story family history. Let's get started. Welcome back to another episode of Church history. Last week we were talking about the pulpit that Latin Word Putnam, and that object that appears in so many churches. Well, we also find the pulpit, appearing in of all places that great American novel by Herman, Melville none other than moby. Dick Moby Dick has one hundred and thirty five chapters. They have fascinating names like the shark massacre and interesting names, two of the chapters in particular come early in the book that have great names chapter nine is entitled the sermon. Sermon, Chapter Eight is entitled The pulpit so this is Melville's description of a pulpit of a fabled new. England church, it's sort of a conglomerate picture that Melville is putting together. And of course they are about to go out to sea questing after the great white whale, and before they go, all the sailors will show up that. Sunday in church to hear that sermon before they're sent off to see, and they might not come back again well. This is chapter eight on the pulpit. Let's read Melville's description. He tells us how he's sitting there. In the Pew of the Church and Father Maple comes in, and then he starts walking towards the pulpit. Melville says like most old fashioned pulpits. It was a very lofty one and since. Our stairs to such a height would by its long angle with the floor seriously constrict the already small area of the chapel, the architect it seemed had acted upon the hint of Father Maple, and finish the pulpit without a stairs, substituting a perpendicular that is straight up and down side ladder like those used in mounting ship from a boat at sea. The wife of a whaling captain had provided the chapel with a handsome pair of red ropes for this latter. Halting for an instant at the foot of the ladder, and with both hands, grasping the ornamental knobs of those red ropes, Father Maple cast a look upwards, and then with a truly sailor, like, but still reverential dexterity hand over hand, mounted the steps as if ascending the main top of his vessel. Melville continues, nor was the pulpit itself without a trace of the same seat taste that had achieved the latter. It's paneled front was in the likeness of shifts, bluff bows and the holy. Bible rested on a projecting piece of scroll work fashioned after a ship's fiddle headed beak. What could be full of more meaning Melville asks. For the pulpit. Is Ever this Earth's foremost part? All the rest comes in its rear. The pulpit leads the world from thence. It is the storm of God's quick. Wrath is first descried, and the bow must bear the earliest brunt. From thence it is the god of breezes. Fair or foul is I invoked for favourable winds. Yes, yes, the world's a ship on its passage out not a voyage complete, and the pulpit is its prow. Well, that's from the pen of Melville. What a fascinating line he gives us. Did you hear it in that last paragraph I read and the pope it leads the world. Well. That's chapter eight. The pulpit from Melville's great novel. Some have called I. Know Dr Sprawl often called it the great American novel Moby Dick or The whale. And I'm Steve Nichols thanks for listening to five minutes in Church history. For more information or to listen to past episodes, please visit five minutes in Church history dot com.

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Church of England, Church of the young, and the Church of the Spirit

Reformgelical

00:00 sec | 10 months ago

Church of England, Church of the young, and the Church of the Spirit

"I was going to show no matter or the movie. Yeah matter what happened after ease. Listening to the Beastie Boys. Yeah yeah that was awesome. I look over my wife all excited. And she's like not having inch does not. Like the Beastie boys all right here we we are on our new nights. Same Old intro. Talking halfway through conversation coming in live like that's better than intro music. To be honest I agree agree. Everyone wonders what in the world will re talking about. That is right and you know you gotTa keep people curious. ABC's lighting hookah in the background. I actually own a hookah. But now this is a A Balsam and Cedar Yankee Candle. I enjoy scented candles. That's an interesting conversation. I I have a friend who got me into hookah. It's really good. I when I was in college I was a little bit excessive with it and I I remember one time I It was it was like in the morning. I'm bridge was really early in the morning and I like my hookup. Mit My roommate looks down. He goes dude. Isn't this a little successive when I was like man. I am degenerate but still own one and I haven't had smoking over a long time. But maybe maybe I will. Oh my goodness yeah. Hey you know say it's a good Conversation piece to say the least big. Nick is speaking Arabic chat. What's up Mica? Welcome and has his family as well. Here check this out. I thought that I might have some and this is some Shisha we've got some cleared is some or degenerate. Doc It's funny and Liam got a full house tonight. You guys for joining US nick. It was tempted to go. See The cross Paul two guys in Philadelphia but he decided that we have a better show and he said that. And I'm sticking to it I would've I would've gone to the crosstalk. I stopped playing screens for an hour on on a we are not part of the filing fees now. But we're getting there. We're just waiting for the APP to be rolling out and then we will be on the network as well. If you are listening to this recorded you can join us on our new nights Thursday they eight thirty. PM We have a lot of fun And people love giving us a hard time and You know it just makes show better so come join us. Eight thirty PM. mm-hmm Thursday night eastern time and You know be blessed and all that good stuff you can follow us. Reform Gel call on the social media sites you can follow. Ad Real Eighty rootless on twitter on facebook and you'd better subscribe to his Youtube Channel. That's just going nuts. It seems like you get more of us like every day. It's fantastic ASPIC. Put I try to post videos almost every day. This week has been tough but But Yeah I hear. The Algorithm likes consistency. So every day is the way to go. They also so don't like Christian so far can't they're very much. So how's the new house going. You got a big project list yet. Well List but We're still kind of the loan phase where we're approved in stuff like that and that's kind of annoying that we had the we had the inspection on on Monday. You know it's a house that was built in nineteen fifty five. So there's there's always gonna be a few things that come up but nothing major so I was actually pretty surprised. A health. Few things did come inspection. That can also be scary to like. What did you miss the eighty year old house? Almost so I have a a conspiracy theory for you this time around to. I don't know if you heard but the Doomsday clock has gone up twenty seconds. Maybe that's not a conspiracy theory but I really think it is. Yes it somehow. This group of people know when the end of the world is going to happen. Do you know about the doomsday clock. I know of it. It just very vaguely but tell me why did it go up. Will they. Global warming and the trend of nuclear which is why it's falling into our conspiracy theory section of the show. A little warming is definitely a conspiracy theory. Well it can't really be a conspiracy theory because then you'd have to well. Actually you know what this is a conspiracy theory so if you ever Google something called Geo Engineering. It's this idea that basically people have there's been a lot of studies and research research done and how to control weather and so those airplanes in the sky the chem trails thing. That's actually a an attempt to control weather and they they've got it down pretty much but the problem is once they started doing it. It started heating up the earth and so now they're trying to cool it down. That's where the clouds are covering. It's a whole theory. Look it up. It's it's really interesting. Yeah my brother is a big fan into that you earn believer more than a fan. Yeah he's a he's a believer for sure. Get so mad every time every time it's happening he's is looking out the window and he was like cursing comfortable bus and he's like that's why we have so much cancer nowadays all this stuff. It's pretty funny. Because the idea is that they're putting these Like little tiny metal particles in the sky to reflect the sunlight and then and then you breathe it in and you get asthma and all kinds of problems and stuff like that and then and then they'll say they're even conditioned little kids to accept it because if you look at like kids shows often times they'll have chem trails in the sky and ever since I heard that I see it. Everywhere had a star wars game and there's like a star wars character in the Sky Cam. What's going on here and you'll start to see it in photos of people camping yet and look at what big Nixon this is true? This is all part of it like like even unlike these other These other world leaders they say that the United States like either causes famines or causes these things in their in their territories on purpose. That's my father an father-in-law in the army colonel in the army retired colonel. Now he's back in the seventies he's an eighties. They were actually experimenting with it. Yeah like not as conspiracy. They're really William. They couldn't get it to work but they were trying. Yeah we'll know that. And that's how this whole that's how a a lot of conspiracy theory start because there are like real patents of this kind of thing that people are trying to do this. And why wouldn't they. Of course of course they're trying to do this. But the idea. Is that the conspiracy. Parts of the it was unsuccessful. But the conspiracy part is that it really was successful and they just want you to think it was unsuccessful. Yeah that's my conspiracy theory was space. I think a lot of these chem trails are people going up higher levels atmosphere. And it's not being able to disintegrate the you know whatever the the the dome of the whatever Gosh so and asked us in the show notes do you like warm up beforehand me. No we get take twenty minutes to warm up in the show and then we'll get rolling. That's what this all is about. Have you seen the new star. Trek no came out star. Arctic Picard yet. I don't have that. CBS Sow all access. Things so Yeah I'm I'm a big star Trek Fan in fact the one of our polls and I'm the only they want. Apparently what does it better series Star Trek or star wars and eighty. You would say Star Wars. Obviously right I would but I will say though that star Trek it's kind. It's not really comparing apples to apples. The Star Trek movies. The that's not the primary thing it's primarily the show movies are extra. Yeah Yeah Yeah that's true So would that be true. Like what what if we just did the new movie star Wars and the new movie star Trek. Do you still think star. Wars wins because Star Wars. New Movies are not that great. I would say the same star Trek but I mean it's it's like a it's like it's like the two worst teams in the league. Blaney judge who cares it. Everybody loses really just is this tickets gets cheap enough to go watch it. Basically I tagged you in an article on twitter and I hope that was a hint that I was going to bring it up in the show but did you you see that the Church of England actually took a stand and said that same sex marriage is the only kind of marriage there is in town. Could you read that heterosexual sheet. Oh I'm sorry heterosexual marriage. Well I mean on the one hand I can believe it because it's so bait. Patently patently absurd to think otherwise but on the other hand. I can't believe it because you would think that they would at least cave a little bit especially because it really wishy washy. I don't follow them too much. Obviously because they're the Church of England and were America and we fought a war so we don't care about England but they are. They believe that you can be in a relationship together. As long as you're not sexual like if you're gay you know whatever and all that stuff and so it was just really surprising to me because to me. It's like if your audio yeah I know so I mean that's not really that common of a belief I guess it but it seems to me that there's like this pattern and it looks like the kind of took a step back instead of going so those kind of encouraging. Yeah that's true it's a little bit. It's not what you would expect. The pattern is to go the other way and then they're just kinda hesitating a little bit now and that's a good thing I'll take any pushback even if it's just a little bit does just a moment of relief. Listen to listen to the guidance it says sexual relationships outside outside. Heterosexual marriage are regarded as falling short of God's purposes for human beings. Like you know so. They're not trying. They're not they're trying not to be jerks. I get get it but at least they they end up in kind of the right place right and they even say like if You know same sex couple came then. We'll encourage the pastors to take care of. It passed earlier earlier. Something very soft like very very weak. But you know you can't you can't get the whole thing. I guess with the Church of England but still I I appreciate the little the little bit of truth. Yeah and I so I brought this up for two reasons. One is that it was like. Oh it's kind of refreshing that we actually get a pause in this decline in these denominations but also just reading the article as reading it from the Guardian and it really just struck me that every time there is people that talk about the church. It's not assuming that God exists. It's always like well. The Rights Really GonNa love their position on this and it's almost just political and end. Game of thrones kind of like what kind of moves are they making behind the scenes. And what alliances do they have. There's no like it. Well God says this in the Bible and they're actually going going along with it like the assumption God doesn't exist in religion is just this crutch for all of humanity. Yeah it's just a political game like anything else right exactly early you know like why. Why did they come out with this statement at this time? What are they trying to do to the elections in the United States is like you know like like it doesn't? It's not that they actually read the Bible. They consider it God's word they said well you know let's clear. Yeah no they're taking a principled stand in their resting on their biblical foundation. No it's none of that whatsoever however that's not just true church England. I see that with all of the commentary on our churches it's always like Oh. Trump's fans are republicans. Whatever there's no mention of if God exists exists and and and again I sadly a lot of this kind of assumption of you know? It's not really what about what God says it wiggles wiggles. Its way into our circles as well. You see how people talk about like one example was recently people were all up in arms because one of the seminary presidents uncharacteristically made hard statement against James Cone of the founder of black theology. And he said he's a heretic and then everyone in their mother you know in the social justice debate was like this is not about theology. This is about a black man who said strong things like. You're just just assuming that God hasn't spoken right. You know what I mean. This guy is saying God has spoken. This is why I say this. You're just assuming that that can't be the case. This asked to be political olitical. It has to be racially motivated. It's it's there's so many examples of this that we could talk about this forever definitely Russell more just tweeted an old article about being pro-life that does the same exact thing where it's like you know like you know being prologue you know. We don't have to agree on affirmative action but we should agree that good you know black people madder sadder and but there's like no references to scripture right. It's like it's like no we do have to agree on affirmative action. God has spoken. And you know we do have to agree On healthcare systems and stuff like that God has spoken like we. We don't get to agree to. This is not a political game to me. Yeah right absolutely like the politics are so oh secondary yeah Things but I wonder if the reason why the world like talks and writes articles like God. It doesn't exist and just assume that it's all political is because we are so soft and we don't say things like thus says the Lord but we do the Russell more approach of. Yeah well you know. Let's just think about it from a rational perspective and a logical perspective. Sure I wonder I I honestly don't know but it it it it it makes sense to me. I mean people aren't used to hearing that like like I remember. One time I saw a sixty minutes I think it was sixty. Minutes is very old episode of sixty minutes with with RJ. Rush Judy on it. He was the theology guy and imagine rushed. Uni being on sixty minutes like. That's that's pretty crazy. And so they were asking him. They said they said so. So wait a minute wait a minute let me get this straight. You're saying that if somebody is caught in a homosexual sexual act that they should be stoned. Is that what you're saying like they couldn't even believe it and and and Russia and he says I'm not saying that God says what choice do I have. I have to listen to what God says and I thought that was such an interesting answer is like this is not about what I prefer. I just I just read it. It's on the page I have and you might quibble with what he believes there but the point is he still willing to be sold out to what God says. It's not about his opinion he doesn't care he's like it's not me. I just don't have a choice. I have to accept it. Yeah I g three which man so many people ask where you were on a story missed. Yeah I really wish I could have done. It was like this. The whole time and of this house thing was awful for that but anyway I totally understand that but anyways but you're going to be there for the fight laugh. Feast Conference Right in Tennessee. Okay good because everyone was like you better make him come and I'm like what do you want me to fly up there grabbing by ear and dragged. Yeah I'll be there great but During the breakout session that cross politics toby. It went on such a great rant about that similar thing and they were talking about the autonomy versus You know the difference between that end. What do they call? What crecy and they're bringing up those things like? What do you say to people that? Say Like Oh you believe that gay people should be stone or adulterous. People should be stoned. And he's like. Don't give me that in indignation and being condescending or killing thousands of babies a day right now somebody is dying. Someone is always has to die like that's just how the world works so don't come at me with like how can you be for wanting to stone adulterous or a homosexual or whatever or slaughtering children in every single day and it just gave me the chills. It was so good you know when toby gets on one of those rants absolutely absolutely. It's it's I was just on a podcast yesterday with with a guy that He goes to a Federal Vision Church anyway. Anyway we were talking about this exact thing where where people get all high and in Madiun. It's like y you you've got no right like like people say oh there's there's six hundred laws in the old testament just impressive. That's impressive and he's like do you know how many laws ause are on your. Probably your city ordinances. You probably got twenty thousand in a typical city and if you go to New York City you're probably talking in the hundred thousands of laws Recive totally and this is the thing I was listening to a federal worker. Who Does investigations? And he was sane rain. Every single citizen in the United States has broken federal law. That's what I told this guy. I said ten laws every day without even blinking and I right and what does that say to justice like if every single person is guilty and can be nailed on something. I mean. That's not a just society. No no but that's not get when you reject God's Law God's law simple God's laws not. There's not a lot of them and it's not oppressive at all there's a ton of freedom but people who are slaves by nature which is people that are slaves to send you know. That's that's what we are by nature. Hr were slaves to sin. We can't handle freedom. We reject it. We need to be we. We we need to be enslaved. And so we just enslave ourselves. Yeah yeah definitely and so. I think it's a good reminder in going back to kind of our goal of this year of being the cover is to throw throw this back in their faces like we don't need to be defensive and be retreating from this try to backpedal and cutting rationalize what God has said. We don't God doesn't need us to do. You know qualify things for him but we could just be bold and throw it back at them is like Oh you think you're so just you're killing innocent people. You're selling their body parts you know. Oh you're doing it for your own prosperity for no medical reason like give me a break. You guys have no sense of morality whatsoever. Who are you to throw that back at us? We should have the the firm stance to be able to do that. McCall Bible. The Bible has a great verse in. Marcus says used it for his show and it's a it's It starts off about cruelty to animals which some people don't know the Bible talks about this. It says a wise man has regard for his beast and then the next verses so interesting says but even the mercy of the wicked is cruel. And it's like yeah like your idea of mercy is actually cruel objectively. That's what it is for progresses. Yeah there's a compassionate there so woke there so cared about justice and yet they they think it should be a fundamental human right to murder your child if you want to. There's there's no there's no better example than that we cannot give that up. I was just thinking about that today. I'm not even lying. Like just hearing him say that a couple times is like ingrained into into my brain and so much more than just that to me. It's just a a small microcosm of the whole comparison just anything that we try to do on her own is cruel cruel and harsh and cold because the apart from God at Sin and it leads to death and it's like I just I. It's a great contrast but I I think it's so much bigger than that to you. Like you're saying like the mercy of the wicked mercy is throwing people in jail to save a society when tree people like animals destroy families and never works works in. It's always terrible. Could staff man. Yeah Alright so this article has been buzzing around this news about about a Minnesota Church who is telling the old people to get lost weight. Let's struggling Minnesota Church as older. Remember to stay away so young people can come. Is this true it. Did this really happen. It really did happen. Apparently they have two campuses and one of them was closing down and it's going to reopen and they were asking the old people to go to their other church so that they can try to grow because their congregation has been shrinking. So the idea is that they've got two locations and they want all the old people to be at one location. And then that way that will leave the the new location for the young hip crowd segregation segregation by age. That that's an interesting idea. Yeah Yeah because that's the problem with these churches though this What is it? Let's see where it's at. Grove United Methodist Church in Cottage Grove. Minnesota it's that they have old people that's why people aren't coming to the church anymore. It's definitely not that they're super liberal and they're basically the same thing as the culture has nothing nothing to do with. That is that there's old people and in fact if they would just listen to the Bible where it talks about how young men should be teaching the old men how to relate to people like. Do you remember that in Third Timothy. It's like man were. These searches are so backwards. It's so crazy so I just don't even understand the I really don't even understand the logic like why would that work. I have no idea. Yeah no long time. I don't know maybe there. 'cause it's a united Methodist Church so like it's not really like they're not gonna like have you know like ah one of those rock concert churches where there's loud music and stuff because that's not. How the methodist do it right? I don't think I think there's more to Catholics. Aren't they got like the. They've got liturgy and stuff. I I used to go to a united Methodist Church. I was a kid and I remember it being very formal and very like liturgical and That's that's a stupid idea. Really really stupid. But it shouldn't be surprising because they have women pastors. I know that that's a stupid idea. Yeah I think I'm pretty sure they don't homosexuality for stupid idea they got they got women patches where he is. I came from so the show is going to be getting in trouble. Just I'm just saying logically like if they have pastors. Obviously obviously the passers came up with this. Yeah for a second anyway but no that that. So Yeah Ah that's it's really it's really upsetting so how the people react they're upset. They're mad they don't get a choice. Shut it down Pick it roll up in their wheelchairs blocked the aisles. Let's say the old okay so this is clearly trying to segregate the church obviously sleep but I remember one time they were trying to do this on a with with with people of Color and white people and the argument that I got was it's not segregation because the they're not going to be turned away they were asked not to come and so I wonder are they gonNA check your like your your card at the door to make sure sure you're under a certain age or get started in reverse this asking. You respectfully not to come. Yeah you know what some churches do with Babies when they make noise. Like how dare you. I've got so I don't know about you but I go to like a very like a small community church and it's basically all people. We've got kids. The pastors family has kids. And then there's like one other family with with the child comes every so often it everyone else is is quite old old And it's great. I mean they they obviously love the kids and they remember when they had kids our age and I thought that there would be like exum noise issues because their kids little bit noisy and older people sometimes have a hard of hearing. But nobody's ever said anything. No one's ever looked at US weird they I love it. It's great that is great. I don't get it though like old. People can't hear anything but then they get annoyed with sounds to disturb him really quickly like how to both of those things work at the same time it just does. Don't even question it but we've got. We've got we give them like little hearing devices. So it's it's a little bit easier But you know okay so this is what I was thinking about this. I saw throughout all of social media. People were like seriously outraged about this. I saw articles on the Feast Family Channel. Good could be. Yeah but like how many of these churches do it with kids. They can't come into church. ooh So you went there. Well why wouldn't we like just want like if we can't have kids. Why can't we say we can't have old people? I guess the so so. I've heard the arguments but it's a good point I I've got three children and what I do is They're welcome in the service so you don't even but one of my two younger ones are very difficult to contain. So we put them in the nursery Like four like the sermon. And that's it. They they everything else. They stay with us but as soon as as soon as their behavior a little bit easier control. We're going to have him back in no question about it. Yeah so what we do and this is a good conversation. Have because I think we have we you just have are automatically like Sunday school okay. I'm going to check them in and then go do worship and then I'm GONNA come pick up my kids and hope that somebody taught them about God and and then come out to right but so what I did we. When we had our kid he was older? We moved here and I look for churches and I wrote them. I said Hey I I believe that kids should be with their parents church that I own the discipleship the responsibility and they need to be there with us and so two of the three churches I wrote said Yeah. Bring them in We have you can bring them in a church. They're more than welcome back broom. There is a breastfeeding room. There's a daycare daycare room and they have like this church. The church ended up going to is actually pretty nice A bigger church the three or four hundred people. But they have rooms with the soundproof glass and stuff And and then there's the lobby and things like that so what I'm been trying to do is because I'm like you like I want them there as much as possible. My kids like year and a half. So he's not going to sit through a sermon yet. Yeah so we try to stay as long as we can and then we'll take him out to the back to let them run around for a little bit and then we'll try to bring him back and bring him back and it's really hard and it's really difficult. It's embarrassing when like one time. My son just farted at the quiet time and all the loudest the loudest what is far. He's ever farted in his whole life. That's that's okay man but you know it is okay because discipleship is not as clean cut and in dry like teaching lesson that we think it is but it's Nessie hard take sacrifice yet at the end of the day. I want my kid not just learn about the lawn on Sunday school but I want him to see us love the law to in Love God and worship him and if he doesn't see his parents even at this young age like how much do they learn at those ages that they're hard to contain absorbing so much their minds changing so much. Don't you want them in corporate worship with US definitely. Yeah yeah my my youngest is just he just turned one. My my middle one is a little over to the. Yeah and he's almost most ready to to come with us in the sermon as well and But my my oldest. He's almost five is just amazing like he sits sits there and he's he's Co.. He's coloring in coloring book. You know and stuff like that and you have no indication that he's paying attention to anything. He's just kind of sitting there with us and he sings things. He'll he'll stand and sing and pray and stuff like that during the sermon like you. Don't you don't see any indications that he's paying attention and then randomly at home. He'll it like the other day he he started saying something about I forget exactly what verse but he started quoting a verse and like and like like pretending he was speaking like like I said what are you doing and he goes. I'm being pastor Jerry and he so he obviously was paying attention this entire hire time and it's just like amazing like you. How do you remember that you were coloring? But here's it. Here's it absolutely I I was starting to read this book got g three. It's the mystery of Christ right here his covets. It's a baptist. You know what it is okay for those of you don't know it's founder. Assert that propaganda tomato free told me. They did chuck it in the river and I was getting yeah. I'm actually really interested in reading it. You know before I take the dive into Presbyterian Ism yet but it was talking about how there's is the difference between the natural laws that God created. Like if you do these things this is going to happen. It's just part of nature consequences you can know it and without God intervening entertain anything but then these covenants. There isn't some natural order that it's whatever God wants it to be. He says this is what you need to do. And these are the consequences. There's there's no natural flow. Does that make sense. Yes definitely and I think you would agree with that right. That's not like a press yet and so but that for me was really encouraging because obviously obviously someone who doesn't know a lot about covenants kind of just starting to learn about it is like that's such a good point because like naturally bring your kids into church doesn't make sense it's allowed. You don't really think they're learning the can't vocalise. They don't have the mental capacity to get everything that's being taught but it's that act of faith of like what we talked about about last week. Where we're consciously acting in faith in raising our kids in doing what God has asked us to not that those things ended up themselves are going to do it but that God what is going to work through them? Yeah and see that I. I was about to take this to to nick but I'll just say because it fits naturally. I'm always amazed at how capable my sons are I. I always think like well. Yes four he can't do that and then he'll go and do it. You don't mean it's just it's just awesome. How how much they remember how how much they they know and they probably have a lot better understand that we think they do ya totally speaking today? My son after we as my wife wife actually was disciplining him and every time that we spank or slap a hand or whatever we do we pray with him and then at the end of my wife pray and with him he said Amen after her and like just getting to know the word of the prayer like a year and a half years old. You don't think like you think he's upset. He's not GonNa be listening but at the end she's like Amen Commend. I mean it's just you know repetitive. But it's like that's the thing though you're getting him into this routine mindset. You're raising them to act like Christians and I'm not GONNA go any further before you talk about baptism. Well I'll say this so not make a good point if you can if he can kick out the old people the definitely can kick out young people that are disturbing everybody because people just they don't disturb anybody apparently they do they. They keep all the young people people away from your stupid liberal. How many people do you think have like walked in church and be like ooh? The old person ratio is too high. I can't stay here I'm out. You know what I it's I don't care how many if if you do it. I just don't care if ah I see a church with old people as like. I don't know if this is just me being a Christian and understanding what the Bible talks about. But I'm all about it. Ah I want as much wisdom from as I can't cow what's up. Man didn't see him. But you know what I mean like if I see old people hungry for wisdom teach me. Yeah yeah no I hear you I hear you sure. Yeah so. That's interesting so another thing that made me think about that or not. Make me think about that but what I thought of after is like church attendance and I started going through a bunch of studies and there isn't that many of them actually have if church attendance going up or down. 'cause I don't know if you've heard of that before where they talk about like certain dominant denominations nations are losing attendance. Some of receiving. I've seen that kind of stuff before. Yeah Yeah I've throughout a poll. Let's see what they said. Is Your Church attendance. Going up or down. Everyone said there's is going up. It must be post mill. People next question are you pre or post mill only want post. There's some awe and I guess I'm the only only premium someone else voted as I was saying it to more people that are more remote but it was interesting so there's one Harvard study the of late and what they're finding. Is these moderate Christians. These mater denominations are following away from going to church regularly. But it's the conservatives not the conservative politically but the conservative Christians. The ones that hold the Bible is being in errands. And they believe that what the Bible says applicable to life that that is actually increasing but it's the moderates that are decreasing. I find that really interesting but something would predict. You would think like okay. Yeah it makes sense and you know in. Churches have to adapt to the culture and kick out. Old People will like what value are you bringing to people. Why would people want to go there? I've always wondered about that. Like what what what do you get out of it To go to go to church where it's just like it's like a like a lane club we talk about like the Great Gandhi said this and we can you know like who cares right that especially when we have youtube like you need a hey good message anymore and get on the Internet all day long. I often wondered about the what. What's the point of Liberal Church? Wha what do they get out of it they get something something out of it. Obviously but I just keep my mind there. I don't know I don't know I mean I don't think you get much because it looks like they're diminishing slowly been slowly. Yeah I guess I guess the stats say that. You don't get much you remember. The atheist tried to have their like church replacement it was called. Yes not the Sunday service was something showed up and nobody want people really appreciate and how hard it is to get people to come to something. It's a difficult thing. Yeah I hear Ya unless you want to go and that's and that's probably why conservative churches are are are growing because people want to go. Yeah right and there's meaning behind site and there's a point to it right right. I got one star Star Trek. Oh Okay I was just looking through the polls so I'm really glad cows here for this one. This is an Amazon Story Amazon. Wants to turn your hand into a credit card. And of course the premium me is the mark of the beast the mark of the beast. And what's interesting about this technology technology. It's it's no longer doing the chip thing which all of us Primo people were all excited about like. Oh they're putting his hand at means the incoming. Oh sorry is an ex Amazonian But this is interesting to me because it's no longer having to do a medical procedure but they're literally just reading the palm of your hand just like your eyes and that has no biblical significance whatsoever as far as the technology. But I just think that this could be something. That's more widely adopted because it doesn't require surgery but my question to you post mill. Eighty is when you see stuff like this or like when Israel comes back as a nation after two thousand years. Does that ever give you pause and like hey maybe those premium people are you know on the something's know seriously you don't ever think about it. Like wow Israel came back from a nation no other nation is done that. That's gotta be significant. Somehow I mean that's why that's why that theory is very popular definitely. And you just say the old people I just say I don't really even debated anymore. I just I just Kinda say phooey. Yeah that's all I I just know so. You don't debate anymore. Let me ask ask you this then no no no no. This is good. This isn't even argumentative Do you believe that Your End Times theology. And what you think's going to happen is makes you live differently today. I think so so for me personally. Definitely so my whole idea of of like taking dominion and and and and in a positive outlook on the world makes me feel like I WANNA play my part in that victory man like i WanNa do I WANNA do. I WanNa know my role and I want to do it. Well and I think that there's a lot of people that aren't post millennial that may have a negative outlook on the future of the world but still act as if they you know. There's a positive outlook you know what I mean and so I like that upped but I know of people. There's actually someone in my family not going to name a name because personal situation that That is a believer but intent intentionally is not having children because intent seriously believes that we're in the end times and it's GonNa be hell on earth and like like why would i. Why would I have children? I don't think that there's a ton of people running around like that but there's enough and in so clearly it does affect that that what you think about the end times does affect people. Yeah so why is it not worth debating. Why not? Yeah why is it not work the baby. It's just not my thing is worth debating. But I'm not I'M NOT GONNA I'm I'm not gonNA debate online about it. I guess if I if I had so so if I had someone in my personal life which I do we were talking about this definitely I would talk about it no question about about it but I I don't know I guess there's really no good reason they're certain topics. I wouldn't debate online. I just not interested. No that's really fair is another one. I think Alvarez I think being a calvin affects everything in your life. It's very important to be calvin EST but I just don't I I. I don't debate that stuff online. Got It that's very fair. Let me ask you this is about calvinism. Someone through this to me. I was talking with them online about it in a private chat. Because I definitely would never talk about this in in public and it's like I still believe in the reason I don't consider myself a communist is not because I believe in most of it but I still think that there is is this free will elements not to choose God but to reject God and he came back at me with this. He's like Calvin believe in free will right and I was totally confused by that. Can you explain that to me. Yeah so we we believe it. We believe in free will in the sense of you. Know humans can make choices and things like that I heard somebody one time. Say Like we have a free will. But God's will is freer in the sense of like like like like we can't do anything outside outside of God's will right so like we don't have a free. Will that so free that God can wants to go right and we go left. You know what I I mean. That's not the kind of free will we have. But we have a free will that can make that choice. And it's it's it's it's it's it's a real choice that God God that God has ordained what we will do and because he's ordained what we can do. It's an actual real choice for us. But we can't. We can't contradict him like we can't like we we can't. We can't override his will. I guess is what you're saying so it's not that free but it's yeah so I feel like I'm pretty close. I you know I thought it was farther off but as buddy of mine through that curve ball I mean maybe I am pretty pretty close right Britain. We'll have to rename the show to just reform reform or something. Well you'd have to know we wouldn't because the Calvin and still not be reformed because reformed kind of refers to this idea of of Ascribing to one of these confessions. So you want a confession. Westminster Confession that kind of thing so you we could still have the same name so I need to start reading confessions and then we got yeah. That's that's probably why there's not more reform people's wants to read things from four hundred years ago to be honest he's probably probably right about that. Are those just like online. They're everywhere I should look them up. Yours Mica says okay chapter nine. This is one of the confessions wins that we were just talking about where we confessions chapters. Yeah chapters in In kind of versus not really like your babies Mormons. That's right or you're saying God has endured the will of man with that natural liberty and power or of acting upon choice that it is neither forced nor by any necessity of nature determined to do good or evil so God gives us a free will bill that can choose and it's not a forced choice like he's not forcing us to do anything and it's we do have a real choice between in good and evil but we can't again. We can't go left if God says you're going right That kind of thing man. In his State of innocent innocent he had had freedom and power to will and to do that which was good and well pleasing to God but yet was unstable so that you might fall from it good stuff man. This is why you gotta go with the Confessions Man. Nine man that's right. It's a copy of the Westminster Confession with some parts edited out anyway. Man by his fall into the state of sin has wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation. So as a natural oh man. Being altogether averse from that good and dead incident is not able by his own shrink convert himself or to prepare himself there unto and that's the real ticket we can't and we don't have the free will or the power to choose to be saved already made. Yeah I got over rightous. Yeah God has around us. I think the part that gets a little like a gun Cecchi to me where. I'm kind of getting uneasiness about is when this and maybe this is where I depart from. Calvinism is that God sows loved the world. He Gave His only begotten Son that it's really God so loved the elect right. So it's interesting that you say that because that word so is is is using a few different ways so you can say God so loved the world like he loved it so so much or you can say it. God Love the world in this way so like Ricard says make it so That's how I I think that John Three sixteen is using that word God so loved the world. God love the world like this. He gave his only son that whoever believes in him. You Know Shahad Of that the kind of thing so it's not about like it's about. This is the way he loved the world by giving his son it has nothing to do with with the people that just not a quantity. It's the amount of love the greatest of love right. It's not the yeah. It's not. Yeah it's just. It's just showing you the way that he did it. I don't know but the thing is like yeah anyway my Zane. He has different kinds of love. He doesn't love everyone thirty one name way. Yeah I totally agree that and in fact I think some people are destined like. I don't think Paul had any kind of choice whatsoever. Ever on what he was going to be used for so in a way he did in a way he didn't so he had choices that he made in his life. That were real choices. But Scott had him in his. In God's according to God's will there was no way that Paul was not gonNa make the choices he did to lead them to the point that he was at yeah to me like I. Honestly don't debate it that much as long as we get the basics down like you know we can't do anything to earn salvation allegation. We are totally depraved. But to me like when we get to this guy differences and how we say things and structure things I feel like it's just we don't really or can't comprehend how God and his infant mind works with us are finite lines that fire fire. I missed that last part. Sorry I just. I don't think we can comprehend how God actually relates to us like Hin being outside of time being infinite with us being meantime finite beings having some kind of choice. Yes oh I think it's so it's one thing to say something. It's another thing to understand how it works. Works like we have a will. We have choices but at the same time. Gods God's will has already planned this this whole thing out. That's the weird thing to think about. Well I don't understand how that works absolutely I get an this is. Don't get me wrong. Debate this either really online. I would definitely talk to anybody about this but I'm not saying it's not worth debating. It definitely is it. Affects everything in your life. Expects You understand things that affects I understand in your role with your children and all this kind of stuff so like It's important as just something that is just not my area fair. He enough so so something else. That isn't in your area that I want to talk about because I think we'll be definitely different on this is what does it mean to be filled with the spirits or to be walking with the spirit and specifically. I'm just thinking about Galicians. Five where he goes through what you know what. It's like to walk in the spirit versus what it's like to walk in the flesh in Verse Sixteen says but I say walk by the spirit you will not gratify desires of the flesh. I think about like what Paul Talks about with you know I wanNA do something by body does something else. And so there's this inner battle with me Romans and I'm bringing this up. Not because I you know loved debating these kinds of things but I think like what we're talking about with calvinism with our ESCHATON. These all have significant ways on how we live life so you being this or cessation are saying that you are what would you say to people about. What is it when you say? Walk in the spirit or when Paul is talking to us about about that here. What does that mean practically I like how you said that up by the way thank you. So why think about about is infusions where he kinda contrasts different ways to be filled in one of the ways that he contrasts. He says. Do not yet drunk with wine because that's debauchery Then he says but BA filled with the spirit and so there's definitely contrasting here so on the one hand you it can be filled with the wine. That's debauchery on the other hand. You can feel the spirit and he goes on. I mean we all know what people do when they're drunk right. People people people are are are angry. They get they get your immune drunk they get loud they get well. I mean this is just this is what debauchery is all about Out You know they get loud they get they get clumsy sometimes they'll sing songs. They'll sing Rowdy you know kind of you know unruly songs songs you know. But then here's what he says he so we all know what debauchery is he says but be filled with the spirit addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual virtual songs singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart giving thanks always in for everything to God. The father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ submitting submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ so this idea being filled the spirit. There's a joy hear your singing drunk sing too but it's a little bit different. There's a joy here for sure talking about making melody to the Lord in your heart giving thanks always and for everything so there's a thankfulness awfulness when you're walking in the spirit that you should have and and I think what this is all about is that you know when you're in the spirit you recognize who you are and you recognize recognize who God is and really no matter what your station is. You need to be thankful because it shit you deserve much worse than wherever you're at in life so whether you have a lot whether you're in need whether whatever your situation is thankfulness in that kind of joy is something that that is how how you walk in the spirit and then it talks about submitting to one another. Oh it's giving thanks and everything to God the father in the name of our Lord. Jesus Christ of course you'd be thankful joyful because of Christ and then it says submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ that's the opposite of a drunk drunk. Don't submit to anybody. That's why people get in fights when they're drunk because normally normally when you're when you're in your right mind if someone steps on your shoe you're not you know flying off the handle but when you're drunk it's all about you. Everything's about you. So there's this there's this deference deferring to others to submitting to others of you know kind of Considering others more important than yourself. That's something else. Paul says elsewhere these are these are ways to be filled in this. It means to be walking into those kinds of things explained the fruit of the spirit. So if you are not submitting your either drunk. You're so you've got wife. Well I mean there's that's the battery. I like think it's funny that you say that because it talks about women don't be slaves too much wine that this is this is there's there's some similarities here. Yeah I was going back and forth forth as you were talking. I think like being drunk to me is when people become more of themselves in which makes this contrast. Ask Me more interesting. It's don't be drunk with wine. which makes you more like yourself? You have less emissions. You are more free to do what you you would do if you weren't so scared but then the Leslie Yeah. You're more Wesley Right. This flesh desires of yourself are exponentially increased. Because you don't don't have anything holding you back. But BA filled with the spirit conversely putting to death those things and letting the spirit be exponentially really through what you were talking about sure. But what's something that kind of like stuck out to me is a question when you're saying that. Ad As asking what does it mean to be filled in the spirit and then we go to these. Are the things that you do so just to clarify. Do you think that the Holy Spirit is actually actually filled us and that is working in us. Okay can you kind of explain that or or is this the things that you do when you're filled with the spirit. Yes Oh yeah I I would I would say that so your fill the spirit. Not of your own own accord I mean that's something that's a work of God. I'm so it's not like you do these things. And then you will be filled with the spirit That's not what I'm saying at all. You have the spirit within you. You shouldn't be So these these are the ways that that you act this is what you do got it. Yep I okay so people can do these things that aren't filled with the spirit. But this is what the characteristics are of someone filled with the spirit so you could sing a song and not be filled with the spirit. Yeah definitely got an. Can you be a Christian and not filled with the spirit or Christian. You're filled with this. Okay Yeah so when when they say like don't walk in the flesh. Don't fulfill the desires of your flesh from your perspective. They're not saying like Christian. Stop Acting Flesh. -Ly it stopped being seen a non-christian and repent and become a Christian be filled with the spirit right. So so you something else. Paul says is to Christians. He says you're not in the flesh any longer. But you're in the spirit if indeed the spirit of God dwells in us. So what he's doing is they're saying look. If you're a Christian you're not in the flesh anymore. You're in the spirit. Now that's something that's already happened so if you put your feared unbeliever that's the definition of being in the flesh. Got It right so there's no times where in your mind the spirit will like be working in some kind of special away or do something miraculous quote unquote. It's just you're in the spirit and you're walking spirit. 'cause you're a Christian so I think I'm falling what you're saying so so you're saying that there's no are you asking me if there's like an extra filling of the spirit or he asked me if miracles Oracle still happen okay. No I'm not asking for miracles. Still happen okay. I know they do. Okay let me just tell you my perspective and I guess clarified things again. I'm not arguing. I'm just trying to clarify Ryan because I think it's an interesting discussion. She should practical like I think that Christians have dispirit obviously right. But there's times when like I'll be having a sin is an issue or like where I'm really living out my flesh quote unquote can and then conversely times where we are doing these things you listed listed and it's not just like a feeling that comes upon but there is like actually you kind of fill like the spirit I say feel but I don't mean feeling there's a distinct like where you can just know that the presence of God is at Church and dwelling so when I someone I think people like. Hey Walk in the spirit. I'm saying have the spirit be working in you as much as possible. I'm not just saying ghosting songs. Go do these list list any Fijian's five that make sense like go. Let the spirit. Sanctify you work in you. And I'm not even talking about miracles. I'm not talking about speaking in tongues. I'm not talking about any of that simple stuff. I'm just saying the practically don't be sinning and be doing. The things got his asked to do. And you will have the spirit be working through in a greater way than if you were just living living a life of sin even as a Christian and so when I'm asking is like so you think that that is not true that's not like how we should structure and encourage people to not I'm not saying you're encouraging people in but it's like that there isn't an a power do lay hold of being walking obediently. I think I'm following you. So are you. Are you saying that you should cooperate with the spirit by putting death the deeds of the flash and let letting the spirit you know work through you or I think the Bible don't quench the spirit. Yeah I'm being don't launch the spirit by living in sin right I honestly Odyssey my little confused. What you're asking me? So are you saying. Are you saying that that. Are you asking me. If there's a role for you to play not in salvation ovation it but just like the daily lives of being used by God definitely and those good works are because the spirits working in you. Yes yes there is some kind of spirit the Holy Spirit is somehow working in us in a way that is different than just us being being filled with the spirit. Yes so so so I I I don't know how to Parse this all out. So is he working with us in a way. That's different than being filled with the spirit. I don't I don't know if I'd want to separate those but maybe I would i. I don't know I'm just not really. I'm not good at those kind of philosophical distinctions. Thanks to be perfectly honest with you But I kind of see what you're saying you know what. Why is this? Why why is it something? That's interesting to you well. It's it's interesting to to me because my whole life as been taught this way and every Christian or not every Christian but most Christians I run into that are not in the reformed circles. Talk like this and then I come to the reformed circles and it's the cessation like just read the word become really intellectual and be obedient. And there's like there's no it seems like any working of the spirit outside of salvation and sanctification Ashen doesn't exist and it's really weird to as much as it seems weird to you hearing me say right now it's weird for me to hear you guys say it over the last couple years but but so. So you're you're obviously making a distinction between Obedience and walk into the spirit and sanctification. What's the distinction between those? Do you think I'm not saying there's a difference between obedience defecation. I think that's the same thing. Could I think that there are opportunities that God wants to use it for that if we are not walking in him and not obedient like like. There's going to be here. Also say like this if we are faithful to our wives were loving our families. There's going to be God working in that right but if I go on my wife and that could lead to negative have consequences that could be leading things that God would have done otherwise but he didn't because my sin or maybe this goes back to our cabinets conversation to like. Yeah Yeah I think it does. It does but I but I I see what you're saying so what you're saying. Is that our actions actually have real impact on the ways that God uses us or like things that happen in our life and stuff like that. I don't know any reverse deny that but I would want weeknights because clearly crazy now. Here's a perfect. Here's a perfect example like like this. Let's just keep it out of the hypothetical second so so pastors who are reformed warmed who fall into sin and in disqualify themselves. Clearly they are in a situation where their actions had an impact on. How God's using them there are no no longer qualified to be a minister in the church? So so that's that's like a very easy kind of example for reform people. They clearly believe that yet. Absolutely your actions had an impact on on. How God's going to use going forward When you say like you have your teacher and there's like a gift of teaching that talks about in Romans is it that when years a good reformed pastor that's qualified visit he's just simply a good teacher or is it because the Holy Spirit is given the gift of teaching so so so the Holy Spirit is it gives gives everything that we are everything that that were good at God has given us that God works that through us all the good works that we do? They're good good works that God God gave us to. Do you know what I mean so like even someone has but someone who's not saved can have the natural ability to be a good teacher right. They can teach math really well. For example sure sure yeah. It's an unbeliever teach math very good but but an unbeliever can't do good works that God God doesn't give unbelievers good works next to do right. I'm very confused as to what you're driving 'cause I think it's interesting but I I'm not driving anything. I just think that we talk about. How the Holy Spirit works so differently? I mean from a non reform world to how the reform people talk about it Are you talking about things like like like when I if I'm wrong down. Sorry I'm just a little confused. But sometimes I'll talk to a typical evangelical like when like you they'll be like like I was walking down the street and I just felt the prompting to talk to that particular homeless person talked about. I mean not specifically but I've I've had that before it happened to me okay and I'm not saying that doesn't have it. I'm just saying today. Is that what you're talking about or not really. I mean that could be part of it but like I'm even talking about in just it's a broader sense of like when I when someone's teaching or like when I've taught before honestly we're all just start talking about something they never planned to talking about before and then people with all. My Gosh doubt was something that God was really speaking to me about or is it like it's more than just me planning out what I'm going to say and really practicing my voice inflections. But there is something that God is like the Holy Spirit was leading me to talk about. That wasn't part of anything I was doing and that is like the spirit working me. But he's not doing that all the time. I'm not constantly being told that God isn't the only spirit isn't telling me right now with the obviously because I'm totally being in clear so there's a there's a different way of saying maybe that's intentional. Essential no but if you do you know what I'm saying I know what you're saying but where I'm confused though is okay. I can't imagine any reform person saying that. That doesn't happen but I'll give you another example like and this is i. I'm not embarrassed by this. But you know maybe like a a a person who's a little bit more like a official They went to seminary for years. Might be a bear status. But I've never had the experience of somebody coming up to me after sermon and saying like that's what I needed to here but I I for the first time. Someone did that like a couple of weeks ago. I had my my my most recent survey I preach a man came up to me and he was weeping. You would just saying that. This is exactly why I needed to come to. I wasn't GonNa say needed to hear this and it's like and it's so clearly that that's the Holy Spirit working. I did not know that this c'mon needed to hear this message. This was not for him. I didn't write this for him. I in fact I wrote this for my old church the other a year and a half ago. You don't even I just. I just recycled it and updated needed it so like yet clearly that but I'm just we're I'm confused. As why would a reform person denied that. I don't know anyone who had denied that I don't know maybe I'm just totally misconstruing construing position altogether and just been a closet like holding my verbiage to myself so I would have been made by the way. You're being clear what I'm what I'm confused about is that it's like I'm just just trying to see where I'm supposed to disagree with you. Yeah okay so I would thought there's going to be huge disagreement here and that's Kinda why I love the show so much because because I get to learn more about reformed theology even when I thought that you guys thought one thing I could be completely wrong. Yeah so to speak in tongues together eighty. I'll tell you something that happens often. I think to to to me. I don't think I'm the only one but but I'll be thinking about a topic and and and basically everyone's thinking about this topic that in my circles at the same time it's like we'll we'll start talking about like man. I would just look at verse yesterday and that kind of stuff happens a a lot to I don't think that I don't think that secessionists yet. So there's so many comments aren't even the disagreement is on the sign gifts right so like like the the miracle workers that went out like Paul was out there and he touched you. You would be healed or mm-hmm or if his shadow touched you healed or or that kind of stuff like this was a sign. That Paul was a true man from God. The like those are the things that we're talking about when we talk about what's what's ceased not the fact that like God will bring something to your remembrance. or He'll do that thing that I just told you about like pre sermon that had nothing to do with this particular man that this particular man was like you know he needs it was for him. Yeah you now So anyway yeah I think I get confused. I understand that I think I would. I get confused is when people will say things like reform people will say things like the cannon was closed. All we need is the Bible and there's no need for prophecy or and I guess maybe when I hear the word prophecy they're thinking of prophets. It's in the Old Testament but I think it is something different kind of like what you were describing bean where is speaking to someone specifically even though you have no idea what's is going on that God is using your words to convict somebody or yet things like that young and they'll say there's no need for it because we have everything we need in the Bible and the people say that I would call that like almost like a hyper cessation ISM okay. That's good so I was just thinking that was just a flat across the board kind of reform thing like God. Does it need anything. Like the Neck Ka. The cannon is closed like God could save anyone however he wants but God works through people and he works through preaching so like for example preaching. That's the that's one of the primary means that he's converting people so You you preach a sermon. And and and people's hearts will be changed and they've maybe they've never even read the Bible. Maybe they have nothing to do with the Bible so obviously he's working through through that person's sermon through his word. That doesn't mean that that that person is the one like his intelligence is and he. He pre crafted the perfect words to say that. That's what did it like. It's not at all. He's just God's working the Holy Spirit's working through that right. Okay Cool I. I feel like I was scared. I was talking. I forgot how to not talk anymore. I saw your face. No use unlike. Like uh-huh where's the distinctions. What's he trying to? Because maybe this is what did it you started off and you frame this like this is going to be a big debate. So I'm ready the thing and I'm just talking about three law this okay. Maybe a missing. We're able to talk about it again. Maybe we'll talk about it again. I'm sure we will. It means a pretty big thing You know unless we WANNA talk about federal vision again and just like takes a baller time or whatever. 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Connecticut VA Opens Its Doors To 'Bad Paper' Veterans

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from internet essentials from Comcast. Connecting more than six million low income people to low cost high speed internet at home. So students are ready for homework class graduation and more. Now, they're ready for anything. Hundreds of thousands of veterans have so called bad paper, meaning they received other than honorable discharges. Now that used to mean, no benefits, no healthcare from the department of veterans affairs. Even when the problems that got them kicked out of the military were linked to combat trauma. The VA has changed its policy at now. Let's these veterans get mental health care. One state has gone even further NPR's quil. Lawrence reports from Connecticut, Northfield congregational is a little white New England church steeple, just north of Westport, Connecticut. And about a dozen kids are here for an after school program. Thomas Burke is the youth minister. And he speaks their language. Oh, you got it. All. This is miraculous in Berks estimation. He never thought he'd be able to work with kids because my PTSD stems from a traumatic event where I failed children Burke served in the Marine Corps in two thousand eight he lost a close friend in Iraq and came home, troubled. He thought about suicide but better still another combat deployment within the same year. He was in Afghanistan because then if you die your hero past sins and transgressions are wiped away because the only thing that you remembered for is that you gave your life in service to your country Burke was a good marine he'd been sent to learn Pashto before he deployed to southern Afghanistan. He was living close to civilians and he connected with them. And one of the things that the local kids. I'm not sure showed you this picture in the photo Burke is twenty years old in combat gear. But smiling clearly at home playing with fifteen laughing Afghan boys on a dusty road. He says he loved them one of the other things they did was they would either tell us where I dis. Where or they would bring them to us. They would actually bring us bombs on one of those occasions. They were actually praying us in RPG and ended up exploded on them eight of the kids from that photo were dead because they were trying to help him, and we add to go clean it up. And we did Burke went into a spiral. He says the local has Sheesh was plentiful and many soldiers used it Burke got caught and suddenly a promising young marine was getting kicked out. He was flown home to his home base in Hawaii where a mix of prescriptions and street drugs made things worse took a plane to Connecticut and slit, my wrists and a state park veterans with an other than honorable discharge have higher rates of suicide there at higher risk of homelessness mental health. Issues snowball with economic ones employers ask about discharge status. So it's hard to find a good job PTSD or traumatic brain injury those need specialized treatment, very expensive with. Out a job or VA healthcare VA estimates. There are about five hundred thousand vets with other than honorable discharges. Thomas. Assadi is Connecticut's Commissioner for veterans affairs. These individuals up till now denied clinical support services and other programs and benefits, and in many cases may have resulted in a worsening of their condition. Saudi says these vets need to be helped before a crisis. And that might now happen in part because of the efforts of veterans like Thomas Burke, after his failed suicide attempt, the VA made a rare exception, and he was able to get services Burke started down a different path to become a pastor, and he joined a push to change the law around other than honorable discharge. He found allies in the state legislature. Like Republican Representative Brian older also a combat vet when we testified before the veterans affairs committee hem, and I were sitting right next to each other. And I said the only difference between Thomas and is a piece of paper. Or one that says honorable discharge and the other says other than honorable it took years of lobbying, but as of last month, Connecticut veterans whose other than honorable discharge is linked to PTSD or brain injury or sexual assault. They will qualify for state healthcare and benefits. I hope that Connecticut can be the the standard bearer for New England and certainly the nation. It already is Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy pushed through legislation this year that makes VA mental health care available nationwide to veterans with other than honorable discharges. Though. It has been slow to roll out for pastor Thomas Burke, it's been part of his recovery to the point where he can work with the youth choir. Having the opportunity to work with children fills me with the spirit and life. Enjoy because it also makes me recognize how far I've come from the person who got back from war. Lawrence NPR, news, Northfield, Connecticut.

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We'll Always Work Through It

Committed

00:00 sec | 11 months ago

We'll Always Work Through It

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Discount committed listeners committed is a production of iheartradio Feel like every couple I know has the fantasy of quitting the corporate jobs and finding a way to make living doing what they love. Can I have a fantasy about opening a bookstore. Wine bar cheese and chocolate shop together all of the things that I love under under one roof but for most people neck and I included. It's a fantasy Richard Serra combs of turn that fantasy indoor reality ready in two thousand thirteen. They're fancy corporate jobs in San Francisco to renovate an old house in southern California. It was right outside Joshua Tree National Park and they thought they just use it as a base for them to freelance telecommute. But Richard. Serra were so successful in that renovation so successful in promoting that house that they were able to open it up for fulltime reynolds pretty soon after that. They're renovating another property in Joshua Tree and then another other than another outside our national park in Arizona. That one's an in and it opened a couple of months ago. It's absolutely breathtaking. Rich and Sarah managed managed to leave behind the rat race. Embrace the open landscapes the snow living. I'm Joe His community the Syrian Richard. Just kids when they first met literally they were thirteen. This was the early two thousands and they started started their relationship. The way most relationship started in the early two thousands chatting online. Here's a real blast from the past from rich my town used. ICQ A Q.. And then Sarah's town used aim so we were kind of chatting on both but eventually we just switch over to name. You've got mail. We talked about everything on instant messenger including including how much they both loved to draw so when they met in real life they decided to take a drug class together. We never expected to get married or anything like that. We've always been drawn to working on projects together to even when we were in high school. We were always dreaming up these businesses that we were going to start together making not shirts or like our own homegoods this collection and things like that. They both ended up at the Same Art Art School in Baltimore and stayed together the entire time after that their careers took them San Francisco where they both got chops. Web Designers rich proposed Sarah a year after they moved to the bay area. I mean being together for I think at the time we were together for like seven or eight years or something Dating so I had a pretty pretty good inkling that she would say yes but I was still just so incredibly nervous that I'm bringing to different spots just being like no this one's not right. This was not right and then finally like at the end of the day. Sarah's there's like let's just go home. She knew that we're walking down this path. And then I see like kind of another like small path off that main path than it led to this really awesome spot like looking over the ocean and the cliffs and stuff. And that's where I just like mumbled the words because I was so nervous and yeah it was very sweet week. He knew a hundred percent that I would say. Yes but it's just one of those moments though that like I don't know it's just there's so much pressure because he wanna make it like a really special special moment and yeah makes you nervous. They got married in the same New England church that riches grandparents had been married in decades earlier. Her It was before pinterest and all that so we kind of did our own. Diy Wedding where we we had this empty venue and then we chose everything in mix and match all pieces and had fun little beans and everything but yeah four before all the help that now exists. Yeah it's Kinda crazy take all of our friends are able to use pinterest and get inspiration. Spoiled oiled now rich and Sarah had these really good jobs in San Francisco. Web designers are always in high demand. But it wasn't what they loved. We started craving working with our hands and getting off of our computers. We wanted to work on her own projects again. Working in San Francisco is really really inspiring but at the same time it was always for somebody else and we really craving Creating something that we're really passionate about then. The same question question with what we were working on was. Is this what we want to do forever. And if the answer is no which it was at the time then and now it's time to leave as any Um we're gonNA take a quick break here be right back Do you ever wonder why you wake up with a scratchy throat or stuff he had. It's a thing that happens all year long. You can't blame cold and flu season instead. You might WANNA blame the air inside your home. Believe it or not. Indoor air pollution can be five times worse than what's outside why microscopic allergens in pathogens like pet dander gender pollen dust mites and mold. They thrive and doors and air filters. Can't fix the problem because these harmful microbes don't live in the air the live on the surfaces says of your home they live on kitchen counters. Keyboards carpets and beds. These places are literally crawling with them. But there is a solution. The probiotic biotic purifier by better air. Better air uses all natural environmental probiotics to remove these unhealthy microbes from your home. That means you can breathe better sleep better live better. That's the better air promise. And it's backed by a sixty day. No risk guarantee learn more about the probiotic purifier at better air promised Thomas Dot Com. You can also save thirty three percent when you order now just in time for the holidays. That's better air. Promise Dot Com rich and Sarah were ready to make a change. They knew they'd regret it if they didn't after a lot of talking and a lot of planning they finally did it. They quit their jobs to freelance projects and just started traveling the clear their minds and we actually went on cross country road trip and we were working while traveling so kind of spend each day driving in the morning taking an afternoon hike and then staying at a motel and just working for the evening it was during that trip that they landed in Joshua Tree If you haven't been to Joshua Tree Desert Wilderness Paradise. It looks like something you'd find on one of those planets and star trek with its red dirt roads alien looking trees. It wasn't actually at that time. Something we're thinking of doing full time. It was more just wanting a shift shift in perspective or a place to reset creative retreat. After almost a full year of traveling across the country living in New York for a little bit going and traveling through Southeast Asia we came back and it was like a magnet straight back to Joshua tree and and we started looking for a place that we could call our own and with that craving of wanting to work with our hands. We found this House that we could work on after months and months of searching and trying to find the perfect one the one that we ended up getting just was this craigslist ad with really tiny bad photos and somehow we we jammed and knew it was the one yeah I was wouldn't Sarah found it on craigslist exist. I was in the shower. And SERTA's comes running in screaming and I thought that a family member had died or something because because of her reaction and then she showed me and we just fell in love. That house right away we send an email to the person in. The person didn't respond for early three or four weeks or something really long time. She's like I didn't think anyone who's going to respond to this Ad. And then we're trying not to get our hopes up. Assume assume that somebody else had taken it and then she gave us a call randomly one day and it was actually. We were planning coming down to Josh. Treat a look at some other houses like the next day anyways so it was kind of perfect timing. We were the first person that she had called. That came to look at the house and we just immediately said that we wanted to sail directly by the owner. So and we've never bought any property before we didn't really know what we re doing but we're just on a Anna phone call with her. Okay Hi we want to get the house. How do we do this sweetest person? She just walked us through it. She had also bought it it directly from the previous owners. So she really likes the continuing that tradition with the house. She was really really awesome. The House was built in Nineteen forty-nine Spanish style terra cotta roof tile cement floors number two bedrooms two bathrooms on two acres with over one hundred different Joshua trees. I had really great bones and for a first project. It was really awesome because it didn't need like any major construction. Russian just need to be freshened up it was mostly just really focusing on interior design freshening of the House with pain and updating a few areas doing supplanting and so on. It's really great. I project for US getting her hands dirty And then we got addicted from there and wanted to do more. Anyone who's ever watched a couple of hours of fixer. Upper totally gets that feeling. That pulled to be this real life chip and Joanna Gaines Rich and Sarah were now living on their dream and slowly but surely their dream was becoming a business. Once they got in good shape they were able to run out the Joshua Tree House. It became team Book to the point where we couldn't really schedule time there are solves anymore and we just loved being here so much that we started looking at other places and craving even a little bit more rural area and so they did it all over again. We found this other property with a house in a guest house. And that's when we ended up moving to Joshua Tree full-time was at this property. Just felt like a place we could not leave and when we tried to leave and go back to the city it was always like dragging our feet. How is your relationship through all this where you guys always on the same page about the work you're doing is artists? We've always been kind of the opposite. He's much more of the detailed oriented one and I think more in terms of the overall feeling of a space or peace or whatever. It is that we're working on so there is always this tug and pull back and forth between the two of us where I think where we meet in the middle is actually what makes a lot of our projects work work. Yeah like it's what makes us in become come in love with the final outcome of a lot of these projects that we work together so yeah of course. There's always a little bit of like. Oh Oh I think it should be this way and then he thinks it should be another way but then it's that space in the middle that we end up that yeah we just would never ever have been able to arrive at that honor own. Somebody had mentioned to me. Something about two sets of eyes in life are better than one and I feel all that that has been true for us We're GONNA take a quick break here. It is there something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals. If so better help online counseling there for you. Better help offers. 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That's better help dot com slash committed I wanted to know more about how this became a viable business. A lot of people think they can do something like this and there's days I think I can do something like this think. Think I can renovate a property. Make it beautiful. Find enough people who want to rent it out actually make money off of it the end of the day. You have to make a living the Joshua House. How's the first house that we did really just doing it for ourselves as a retreat so everyone is kind of telling us like? Oh just like the House with Ikea furniture and and stuff but we just felt like that had no sold like a lot of people. Were telling us that that's what we should do. We were like no. We're designing this ourselves ourselves as our retreat. We want this to be to feel like home for us when me come down here and like splitter time down here while doing doing that we kind of created an instagram mostly for family and friends to kind of follow along with what you're doing you're on the renovations and also out of a personal craving raving when we were away. We were craving able to see photos of Joshua Tree. 'cause we always missed it so much so we were kind of like okay. We'll we'll just do do that for other people too and then it just became more than we ever imagined it would but I think because it just came out of a a place of love and something we were so passionate about that. INSTAGRAM account became incredibly popular. Taylor I mean how could it not does it. Landscapes Weird Trees Interiors is gorgeous as the sun sets and look. We live in a time when instagram gets people. Excited excited about travel account. That led to bookings of the Joshua Tree House on Airbnb when the first house started renting. Well when we weren't aren't there which was our our initial goal was just to cover the mortgage trying to pay back some of our renovation costs but when it started renting so while we thought okay other people are also craving what we were craving and then we decided to continue that path because really we love creating spaces together a lot more than we enjoyed creating web design projects together mid something a bit more permanent and creating this emotional response and experiences. We just are completely in love with it so oh I think just out of that. We kept going and it's been a transition through the last few years of slowly phasing out our our old work and then phasing in these new projects and we only just got to the point of being able to work on this fulltime last year here. So it's still a fairly new thing. Whenever something feels right in our got we jumped into it? Their next project is an an in Tucson Arizona on the outskirts of Guero National Park. That's on forty acres and has ten bedrooms uh-huh and it's over ten thousand square feet and has these crazy outdoor spaces and it's just so massive he says but it's so overwhelming to think about because we we love designing every little detail and having each room be its own thing and cured rating vintage pieces and incorporating the local environment. We are now doing that on the large scale. We have ever done which has been even even more important to have each other as a team. Because I think neither of US would ever be able to do this alone. Definitely not yeah yeah. There's so many decisions be made every single day with this project that we just need to trust each other in making those decisions and and sometimes you can't really like look back in. You just gotTa trusted. This is the decision that you're making right now. This is what you're going to go with but when you're making so so many different ones. It's it's very tough the year. They've spent renovating the end. Has Been One of the most challenging years of rich and Sarah's life. They faced mental physical all and financial exhaustion to get to the point of being ready to be open. They spend every last penny they had. In addition to borrowing from friends and family and taking out a small business loan as designers their strength is always been in creating spaces but this project required them to be a bit of everything anything marketers business strategists project managers builders cleaners cooks host. It was a year of finding the strength and endurance to continue on and about finding the resolve to continue standing up for their belief that this dream of theirs might just come true. Yeah Yeah it's intense but I think through it all it. In relation to our relationship it does feel will like win. Those incredible challenges come up and then you know immediately that you are willing to do whatever it takes is to fight through it and make it work. It's the same with our relationship. Renovations approved that the best laid plans hands can go to hell in a hot minute. They always lasts longer than you expect. They're more expensive than you ever think. They're going to be and things go wrong that you never thought we're going to go wrong. Yeah we've had very bad luck with water. Ironically since moving to the desert we have had. Ah Pretty major roof leaks at times while we had renters and that was incredibly stressful. It just became worse after we try to fix it. You had to find a couple of different roofers before we actually got to fix the first root for just made it so much worse and then he just has destroyed the roof the ceiling actually caved in because he did such a bad job it was pretty disastrous. But now we have a great right now. Now it's beautiful nicely insulated put a new ship lap sealing up so it ended up better in the end but it was definitely one of the most stressful times times. Yeah then the other big issue that we had was once. We moved to the Hacienda. That we live in now after being here for like six six months or something we gotta water bill and that was just like really really expensive. There was no sign of a leak anywhere but apparently the water meters said that a ton of water went through it. We have the water company. Come out and then they couldn't find any sign of a leak. They were just like well. The meter said it went through so it must have gone through and and we fought as hard as we could. Unfortunately they wouldn't budge. We still had a had to pay that so that was a pretty tough hit. Yeah so now with the Tucson place we are being very very careful with the new roof and Reuss so that's great. Yeah Yeah but all the time the little things are coming up like. We are renovating the kitchens there. We thought that we were going to be using the existing thing base cabinets and reusing them and then as soon as the oven gotten we realized Oh. These cabinets are not standard standard size. We should not have assumed that they were and now it's like okay. Well here's another project. In addition to the thousand projects projects will make it work. And it'll probably end up being better. Oh it'll be a lot better. We've always felt that we will fight through whatever comes up because we want to be together and we know that we want to make this work however possible so yeah. There's definitely a parallel allow between the projects and our relationship and once those challenges come up. It's like almost refreshing or relieving like okay. Well now we know what the challenges and we can figure it out from here. Wall said there's always a solution if you want one. How are you guys making sure that you set time aside for gesture relationship right now? It's pretty difficult with the Tucson projects the it's Kinda just. We're just trying to get through that the moment like renovation wise and stuff for money reasons like we have to get it done. It's a little hard. We still try to like take time to go and enjoy hiking or go out to dinner or something but this is probably the hardest projects that we've worked on so it's it's definitely been a little bit hard with this project right now of our in Joshua tree back back home so that's been a nice way to kind of get away from that project and kind of be president again and enjoy. Enjoy your time time together and just enjoy like a garden in our house and time with our cats and refresh visiting this week in their awesome to to really bring sound earth and get to stay president with them as well so no matter how much working always make sure to at the very least is just watch the sunset and so we always have at least that break at the moment. Our work life balance is definitely mostly work mm-hmm but ultimately it's all work that we love and are passionate about and we would be doing it anyways so it doesn't feel so so much like there needs to be this line to divide the two but we are pretty tired to be honest It has been marriage which is better now because she left her corporate jobs. Having done this taking on all these projects and do you feel happier. Is your marriage stronger. You're definitely definitely all of those challenges every time something like that comes up it makes us feel stronger. The desert in general has made us feel feel stronger. The extreme weather here being able to handle anything that comes up like how how to fix. Yeah literally how to fix. Our House has taught us how to just be comfortable with things going going wrong whether it's whether house with our relationship and figuring it out there's always like wall was by the way to work through it this episode was hosted and reported by Jo. 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BOX234: Ghostly Mountaineer Angel

The Box Of Oddities

00:00 sec | 5 months ago

BOX234: Ghostly Mountaineer Angel

"What follows may not be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Stories. Stories of mysteries. Of Curiosities. Joy? In An Giang through Gilligan Tov for strange. The boozers! The unexpected. As. The LID and wash asleep you're inside. The box! oddities. Go, this is fun. I think we received well over two hundred emails and messages from people telling us that fans gold was found. Yeah, stop sending messages, please so we appreciate it, but it was a story that we we talked about pretty early on in in the PODCASTS and I love love love that you people know what we want to hear about for sure and that was amazing to me. Because I was like Oh, Shit! Did you hear that fence golden? You were like Oh. That's really interesting. I was like I. Know Right, and then it was all bing bing being. Like big. Now! Let's just briefly recap this guy. forest fan allegedly hid like a million dollars, plus in gold and gems, and then gave clues in a poll that he released. For Ten years people have been looking for this gold, and now allegedly it's been found, and so I was like. Wouldn't it be funny if he was just running low on dollars, so he just went out to the desert, dug it up and it was like someone found it. Needed the cash right right? My thought is that it never existed. He's eighty nine now he figures. Probably it's time to cash in the laugh which he will get, but according to his his blog, somebody found this treasure. They sent him a picture of it and verified the coordinates of where it was, but he won't say who that person is. That person he just said is from quote back East, and nobody knows who who this person is, or if in fact, the treasure was really found, or if in fact, there was really a treasure. I think it's just him having some fun. I love the idea that it was real and that someone did find it and if someone found it and he was like Oh. Yeah, someone founded it. Was Brian Doyle from West Chester Sinfield, vis the West chesterson field. Ville Doyle's and. I'd be like wow, that guys a dick. Brian Doyle doesn't want everyone knowing he found your treasure. Thank you. So I applaud the not telling who was that found it even though I kind of don't believe that Brian found it right. No I think that it's a bunch of hoo-ha. Either way I enjoyed it thoroughly. Thank you so much for sending all the messages. We're just kidding. We love hearing from you guys even if it's over and over and over again. We did post an instagram video from the deck I realized now that I was probably. A little, too. Horn swaddled. I was into the giggle juice, and so maybe I should like had a couple of drams of POPs skull. Turn off the the SOC meads, when Oh be joyful anyway. It was fun. Oh, I. Put some NECTARINES IN MY IS T. and. It's probably the best choice I've ever made. Oh! So good what you got for me well today I wanNA talk about the ghosts on Mount Everest Mount Everest is littered with bodies of dead climbers right? Yes, they've accumulated over the decades now. When you say ghosts, though do you mean goes, and not just bodies. In both Shaker Oh, Shit. Yeah, there are so many bodies on Mount Everest that when you climb to the summit. If you go through the regular route that they take to the summit, you have to physically step over bodies right and some of the bodies are actually used as landmarks the way Salako Green boots halfway up or something like that. In fact, green boots is one of the most famous. Famous bodies his real name. By the way was to swung Powell your and it is now a a landmark on the main northeast. Ridge route to the mountain. in-depth green boots has become sort of a guide for the living. He died in a small indentation in the cliff. That is a a commonplace for for hikers to crawl in and kind of catch their breath rest up a little bit. He died in there, and that indentation is right next to the main path to the summit, and people actually have to step over his legs to proceed passing hikers even occasionally stop for a Selfie with green boots. Doesn't that seem a little disrespect for the navy? Of course we just casually refer to him as green boots and he's a mile marker so good point. Another guy? David Sharp, who was also a fellow mountaineer? Different entirely different party in fact years after green boots died crawled in there to to stay warm, and he died in there, too, but his body was removed according to an article on Rancor Mount Everest is notorious for its corpses. People travel from all over the world, of course, the climb Everest and not all of them survive their avalanches. Of course, a lot of people die from falling in clinic temperatures all. All those things prove fatal. Most people die from avalanches. That's terrifying avalanches to me are very very scary. no-one wants no one's like avalanche but I've seen some videos of avalanche events, and like there was one where it was just taken out houses like it was i. don't even know if it's technically an avalanche or something graded up from an avalanche, but it was just like house. House House just sweep sweep sweep. And it gives me that same feeling that like I don't know like a heights? do or something something like that that you just your blood. My Body reacts to it I read an interview with a guy. He was a skier that got swept up in an avalanche, and he was obviously rescued because he was being interviewed about the event. He said that the most scary thing for him was not knowing. Which direction was up. Yeah, yeah, I. Know. It's because it's a weird combination of things. It's the disorientation. It's the CLAUSTROPHOBIA and it's the cold, and there's I'm sure so much that the. L.! Now that's why we're moving to a warmer climate. In two thousand seventeen four bodies were discovered in a tent on the on a an Everest base camp site. analysts believe the campers passed away due to altitude sickness. The weird thing is none of the local climbing. Agencies reported any climbers missing. They remain unidentified. Oh Man. Yeah, well. There's gotta be a way that you can like. Scoot past you know and make your way on documented I guess so there are. There are several routes to the summit right? Some of them are more challenging than others. Most people just take this main route. Right but I know you there's like a check in right when you go up the mountain so that people know that you're. Yup. They're like three two or three different base camps that people will set up. Their parties will set up. But the most dangerous route. Is this particular route northeast Ridge Route near Everest's summit? There's an area there called. They call it Rainbow Valley now that sounds peaceful but essentially what it is mass pit of Bodies Oh. Yup, the grisly scene got its name because of all the brightly colored jackets and climbing gear. The cadavers still have on strewn all over the section of the mountain. That's letter. Throughout the years, climbers have been known to push cadavers over the mountainside into Rainbow Valley or to cut the ropes of mummified remains, so that it's less hazardous as you try to come back down the trail in this area of vast majority of those who succumb to altitude, sickness, or exhaustion or hypothermia. It happens in this area. After, the summit on the way down Oh really. Oh I didn't know that that's really depressing. It's like Oh, you've achieved the thing and now you're going to die. Yeah, yeah I don't like that also I would think that any sort of dangling rope mummy would be very dangerous and I can totally understand doing the old heave. Ho! Ho, and so these bodies are just collecting down in this gorge. and. It's just like littered with Colorful Ski Jacket Sad as a horror movie in the making according to the laws in Nepal Everest is considered sacred in any remains are to be removed immediately. That's the law you need to remove them immediately. The problem is it's nearly impossible to retrieve remains from this area, which is also called the death zone. cheery, there was this one guy's name was. Peter Kinloch and he had just summited Everest when he was struck by sudden blindness. Now this is another problem that people have at these altitudes. His team reported that Peter was an excellent health climb up, and they also noted how overjoyed he was when he reached the summit, this was a dream that he had but due to the high altitude. oftentimes this happened in Peter's case, climbers are struck with retinal hemorrhages, bleeding from the cells in the back of their eyes, and it can cause blurred vision or just outright blindness she's. So he's on top of fricken Everest in he goes. Blind guides notice that kid locks. Loss of coordination was starting to become more prominent at that point. He admitted he could no longer see so sherpas tried to help him. He's twenty eight years old. They try to help them down the mountain. They shared their oxygen and their medicine with him over ten hours in hopes of keeping him stable enough until they reached base camp, but the team began to suffer from hypothermia and frostbite. They had to make the difficult decision to leave him behind now. Yeah, OH, my Gosh! Those poor people several months later, one of Peter King locks friends. A guy named Rodney. Hogue was making his own attempt on Everest. And he spotted Peter Sitting on a ledge, his remains were perfectly preserved by the ice. He said quote when I saw him I instantly knew it was Peter. You could see his face. It was just like he was lying on his back taking arrest. Jeez the climbed down to Peter was too dangerous to undertake, so hope took a moment. He paid his respects to his fallen comrade before continuing on. On now before Kinloch had died, the SHERP. Is that were with him at clipped him to a fixed line on the side of the mountain, and that's probably where he will remain until somebody cuts down. That's got to be super bizarre to all of a sudden. See your dead friend on the side of a mountain. Yeah, he's been dead for months and he looks like he's taken a nap. Be Concerned that I was like hallucinating. Yeah, nobody knows exactly how many bodies are still on Everest? But the estimate it to be just over two hundred eighty bodies. Most of them are Sherpas, which is not surprising. That makes a lot of sense. They reside in the Tibetan Nepali border area, interestingly the Sherpas when they die the perish. Perish at the lower altitudes while the foreigners perish higher up closer to the top of the mountain I. Don't know why that is exactly, but but that's what statistics tell us interesting. According to the Himalayas database, most climbers expire either ascending or descending from the summit, mostly descending very few diet base camp. Now there have been very strange and unexplained sightings on the mountain particularly in this area that I'm talking about the dead zone. Just as you're coming down from the summit Pemba, Dorji Sherpa from Nepal claims to have seen black shadows during his two thousand four ascent of Mount Everest. When I paused at amount of rocks I saw what looked like spirits in the form of black shadows coming toward me. They had their hands outstretched. They were begging for something to eat. Dorji thinks the shadows are obviously spirits of mountaineers that were killed during past climbs, and that's interesting, because it's a tradition to leave food near a deceased climber's body on the mountain as a form of respect, Mohan Singh a resident of local Himalayan village. He reportedly encountered a very strange man, wearing mountain, climbing gear outside of his home. During the winter months of two thousand four, he said the sky turned to black, and the stranger reached for sings shirt he was. He was trying to grab him to keep himself from falling, but his fingers went right through sings body just like a ghost might do. Strangers Body. He said, continuously changed sizes, growing up to nine feet, tall, and then suddenly shrinking to quote the height of a chicken. Dad's weird. That's terrifying. I mean your brain must be doing crazy things when you your body is being put through that that tremendous stress will that that that is true, and that's what makes this particular story interesting is this is a a resident of a village that is certainly acclimated hikers go you. You know Internet of this this village on their way to and from, so he wasn't. He wasn't hiking. He wasn't doing this this dressy thing actually chopping wood chopping, what can be stress in June of nineteen, thirty three Frank Smyth while he was climbing suddenly. You sense that he was not alone. He descended from one of Mount Everest's notorious death zone areas, and during a break from these this journey he encountered the presence of a man. Described it a mint cake with him. He attempted to break his mint cake in half, and as he was handing it to this man, the man just slowly disappeared right in front of his eyes. Sometime later Smyth discovered to dark bulbous. Hovering over him, he described one of the objects as having a quote. Squat developed wing, while the other had a beak like protrusion kind of like the spout of a tea kettle. K The objects remained pulsating over him until eventually disappearing in a passing now, that could be explained by the brain's lack of oxygen at a higher altitude. That's still pretty pretty frigging weird. Be Creepy. In one thousand, nine, hundred eighty five guy, named Dougal Hanson and a friend of his Doug Scott, claimed two cents quote a third climber aiding their survival one particularly brutal Mount Everest. Ascent has an got were members of the very first expedition that successfully climbed Mount Everest using uncharted path, so this was. Arduous journey. The ghostly mountaineer that the men ran into. I would hope that on that kind of journey. You'd want to hold your head up high. Oh, an arduous journey got it Arjun journey no gone account. Topical Jokes Katrina. All home bringing the topical Joe Folks. But a band from the sixties. Early seventies actually but. I will look that shit up seventy two Arjun. Hold your head up. Featuring Rod Argenta. Former lead singer of zombies founded in nineteen sixty nine. Yeah, but when was that song hit? I didn't say. When was the song ahead? I said a banned from the sixteen. semantics. So the ghostly mountaineer that them, so the ghostly mountaineer that the men encountered apparently helped them out, he provided extra company, and encouragement has an in Scott claimed that the phantom climber help them make it through the night. And then he just disappeared. That reminds me of that story of the the woods that kill people. You talked about one time. There is a group of kids. And the waters were rising. The rivers were rising, and there was always someone at the river to help them across, but it turns out. There was no one there something that story vaguely vaguely. That's called the third man factor. Oh, that's the it's a thing. It's an extraordinary account of how people at the very edge of death often sense an unseen presence beside them who encourages them to make one final effort to survive? They offer a feeling of hope, protection guidance, and it leaves the person convinced that he or she is not alone. wikipedia says that Sir Ernest Shackleton during the Shackleton Expeditions wrote in his book, South his belief that a in corporal being joined him in two others during the. The final leg of their journey Shackleton wrote during that long and racking march of thirty six hours over the unnamed mountains and glaciers of south Georgia. It seemed to me often that we were four. Not Three. His admission resulted in other survivors of extreme hardship, coming forward and sharing similar experiences in recent years, well known adventurers like climber, reinhold, Messner and polar. Explorers Peter, Hillary, and Bancroft reported that exact same experience. Some some people think of it as a Guardian Angel. Some people think of it as imaginary friend I'd like to think that if I was in that kind of situation and some sort of spirits, being came to me to encourage me to withstand pressures and persevere I. It would be Michael Jordan. Would it yeah okay? I would follow Michael Jordan's advice, absolutely Michael Jordan. Talk me into just about anything I'd be like you're right Michael. A lot of people say an explanation for this is a coping mechanism for the brain. Modern psychologists have actually used the third man factor to treat victims of trauma Oh the cultivated inner character lens imagined support and comfort. That's kind of a nice place to end I think. On the story rather than? People stepping over frozen corpses, and that was nice top of. Ghosts. Thing in the middle today's thing in the middle once again called from the freaks group on facebook. Jesse rights anyone else's family have words that they use that. No one else understands in my family. If you're about to say something, and then you suddenly forget, or you can't remember something that you know you know. We call it a brain fart I just said brain fart to a friend and she. She was so confused she'd never heard the term. Yeah and I think that's really interesting. And so many people chimed in with their family words that don't make no sense and I love it number five. Emily writes I'm from New York originally and we call people. Things like chew ch and Scotch I. Don't know how to spell it exactly, but it means you're being a pain in the ass. L. Says Oh. We have so many family. Speak Words that I could go on for days. Some of them are rubber, husband, but dollies and waffle juice. They all sound bad, but they aren't, but she doesn't go on to say what they are for I. Wish I need to know what waffle juice a- need to know? What but dollies are I think I might need one. Linda commented Google Equals ibook irs. Yam Equals huge turn I light equals too bright. Just left a huge GM into the room. Bob Number two Julius. My mom has a habit of adding the ending equal to a body part for example, if you wearing the bride's on the boob area. Wear shoes that your critical area! And it seems totally normal to me I. Love It. Analysis writes in zombies is Arby's means. Those little balls of fluff that you vacuum up. ZOMBIES I love those things. My sister always called the the stuff that gathers in the bottom of a sink trainer Grete, and I liked that very much I thought it was very a descriptive, and it sounds like the right word to use its Gret of adopted that myself. Friend's MOM. Always called Farts fluffs fluffs. Heard that yeah. Hoop fluff. My, mom when she wanted you to do, something quickly would say higgledy-piggledy. Go Clean Your Room higgledy-piggledy. Sure why authoritative when you say that. Yeah, I mean it hastily. The box auditees with cat and Ja- through Gilligan to off. What do you got for me? What you. What? I was doing the robot during that. Have, you ever heard of Dog Mountain? No, are we doing to mountain? Stories back toback sort of. I mean it is a mountain, yes. Dog Mountain is set upon about one hundred fifty acres a private mountain top spot in Saint. John's Barre Vermont the grounds are almost always open to people and their dogs. It was started by Stephen, neck and Gwen Hugh Neck. Stephen Hyun was born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, eight in Columbus. Ohio he was an American Wood. Carver artist, furniture, maker, painter, and author. He was a self taught sculptor Stephen started out as an antique furniture picker, and through that experience. He said that he learned about good design and how to build furniture that lasts forever, and he studied the furniture, so then he started to build the furniture. Stephen had very good fortune to be discovered doing the thing that he loved. He carved his first piece. It was an angel and. And it was in the back of his truck, and he was discovered in Nineteen eighty-four, when a man started pulling the angel out of the back of his truck, and he said. How much do you want for this angel and Hyun? It was not intending to sell it, and he believed that the guy wouldn't pay what he wanted for it anyway, so he said a thousand dollars in the man revealed himself to be an art dealer for Manhattan, and he gave the guy a thousand dollars. This is the type of story. Yeah. It really is so. The Art dealer paid Stephen The thousand dollars and that was that he was now an artist. In The New York Times in nineteen, Eighty, eight, there was an article that states in a short time several of Mr H- UNIX works were sold through that dealer. One fetch ten thousand dollars. I never made half that on an antique Stephen who was thirty nine at the time said. This seems like a miracle within two years of the sale from his pickup truck. His works were. Were being widely exhibited as examples of Faux Card from the Stamford Museum and Nature Center to the White House. Mr Pieces are in the permanent collection of the Smithsonian Institution the Dog Museum of America and the American Kennel Club so in Nineteen ninety-four. Stephen suffered from adult respiratory distress syndrome after he fell down a flight of stairs, and it left him in a coma for two months. the, doctors were not hopeful, but with the help of his wife Gwen. Stephen made a full recovery. He pretty much had to relearn everything how to walk how to sign his own name, and just before this accident had taken place, he's was inspired to do a series of woodcut prints based on his dog sally. So after he woke up from the coma once he was able to Stephen began working. Working on these would cuts, and the I would cut. He carved was called. Life is a ball, and that celebrated his newfound life, and it remains one of the most cherished and iconic of his works You can probably picture it. It's kind of a rectangular piece, and it's a water line on the bottom with dogs head coming up out of the water after a ball and at the bottom. Bottom, it says life is ball. It's real simplistic, but beautiful, and well done and anyway I love it so Stephen and Gwen. It didn't have kids, but they always had dogs. They were there constant companions, and they felt that they were compelled to do something special, and after Stevens near death experience, they bought a property in one, thousand, nine, hundred five to do this project dog mountain, the centerpiece of. Of Dog, mountain is the dog chapel and that opened its doors memorial. Day weekend of the year. Two thousand Dog Mountain is an unspoiled haven. It's Scott Hiking trails and and Dob Pons. There's wild flowers in the summer and you can snowshoe in the winter. leashes are not required. You are encouraged to bring your dogs and just let them beat dogs, and this is in Saint John's Berry. Correct Okay Stephen spoke of his passion project and said I've learned so much more about love from my dogs than I ever did my parents or the church. He's quoted in the Chicago Tribune as saying they're really great teachers, and they love you with their whole hearts, so dog mountain is a vast park like space and is open to the public at no charge it. It also includes a gallery of Stevens Artwork and fun agility course for dogs I mean as post people could do it, too, but you know probably more fun for the dogs. Stephen and Gwen turned the barn that was on the property into a studio space. He said I'm a hand carver. I love the texture. You can get only by hand and he carved almost. Almost every single day of the year he would take time out to walk the dogs obviously, but he was pretty much just wanted. It's what he did. It's how he spent his time and being self taught. He carved very unique style, some referred to as backward carving, so he carved toward himself. Other artists were very curious about this style and one actually asked. Asked if he could come and stay with Stephen and Gwen for a month spend a month. Just watching him carve so that he could learn his style because he loved what he produced by sea, and the style is unique to Stephen, so he wanted to kind of absorb them. It's kind of counterintuitive though you don't WanNa. Be Carving toward yourself with sharp pokey thing. Stephen and Gwen very private people, though so they declined the offer of having a random stranger artist. Come live with them for a month. They like I said they didn't have kids, but they did have three dogs, two black labs, daisy and Sally and molly a golden retriever. Stephen built. The Dog Chapel himself in the style of twenty s Vermont Village Church. It is small, modest and white. The chapel resembles a regular new. England church from the outside, aside from the steeple topped with a Labrador with wings. One? A sign out front proclaims welcome all creeds, all breeds. No Dogmas allowed. This is according to the New York. Times inside the four pews had made by Mr Huhne are supported by carved wooden dogs stained glass windows depict dogs in various poses, and the walls are covered inches thick with photos and handwritten notes to departed pets. Place there by their grieving visitors, according to John is who is gwynn's brother in an interview with NPR. Stevens said that the dog chapel was his largest and most personal artwork, and it really is. It's a masterpiece. The videos that I watched. It's almost spiritual. People walk inside, and there's this real reverence. Wait. That's carried there and you can see these handwritten notes. That say things like Frankie. These sixteen years were the best years of my life. I'll never forget you my sweet hot dog. You know that kind of thing. Some our work is obviously made by children grieving. They're they're lost pets. It's really an emotional place. What a beautiful project would a beautiful effort would a beautiful work of art that is, and it was so personal to them. It was such a passion project a thing that they believed that that we need to have unfortunately the UNIX fell on hard times during the two thousand eight financial crisis and Steven in January of two thousand, ten was despondent over having to have laid off employees. They lost a lot of money. They weren't able to maintain the employees that they had hired. And so at the age of sixty one, he took his own life in June of two thousand thirteen, after three years of maintaining dog mountain on her own and struggling to keep it going and grow this project that meant so much to her and her husband. Gwen passed away as well. The Dog Mountain community released a statement. Gwen never got over the loss of Stephen and missed him terribly every day. As you all know after Stephen's death, she devoted her life to continuing his legacy as a great artist, she continued to manage the gallery and kept active in community affairs. She vowed to help. Turn Saint John's Berry into one. One of the most dog friendly places in Vermont so this year, the twentieth anniversary of the opening of the dog chapel the dog mountain website posted finally in the year two thousand, the dog chapel was introduced to the world is a symbol of peace, love and remembrance in the twenty years, since it has been transformed into a living piece of communal art and history ever-evolving, each new note and photo pin to the overflowing walls, the chapel has become a unique and moving physical embodiment of the unending love. People have to give in these times especially places like the dog chapel deserve to be celebrated and cherished. That is so beautiful. It's sad that that his life ended with him being despondent and sad. Because clearly, he gave so much joy to people through his works and. This one in particular, the the struggle was not new, though he had lived most of his life, battling depression, and so it was I from the vibe. That I got from the articles that I. Read and the statements released by friends and relatives. It seems like this was kind of all that he could handle like he gave what he wanted to give back and was would just wasn't able to fight anymore. It's interesting. How many creative people suffer from depression? I've not seen any statistics on it, but I would venture to guess it's a pretty high percentage. Absolutely name so friends of Dog Mountain is a nonprofit organization that was established by family and friends of Stephen and Gwen. That's committed to ensuring the dog mountain and the Stephen Unit Gallery and the dog chapel will not just survive. Survive but thrive, and you can find more on the website. Dog Mt Dot Com. There's all kinds of information about Stevens art and the legacy, and where you can donate to help. Keep this passion project going. There's actually been a documentary made about the location as well. It's called Dog Mountain, a love story and I think I'd really like to watch that slash. Never Watch it because I don't think I'll make it through. Yeah. We have a very dear friend who had to say goodbye to his dog today. So. This story I think affects you and I may be. A bit more because of that I know this is kind of a bummer and I tried to figure out like how to like. Put the whole death part in the first part and then move, but there's no way you. GotTa tell a story as it is, and so I wanted to leave you with this. It's a quote from Stephen Eunuch that I found him. 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We DONT need to talk about ghosts: Episode 1

We Need To Talk About Ghosts

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We DONT need to talk about ghosts: Episode 1

"From a girl goals with Kevin used us. Hello everybody well as you will have heard on the last episode I suggested maybe just maybe journey these times of tribulation that we would also stop part. Now it's L- episodes where we're not necessarily going to talk just about ghosts so you'll have seen the difference in the headline or title of this episode. We're just going to have a chat and you know the reason for this is because mental. Health is very kate in times like this. So we're not going to mention the evil word or anything about it. We're actually just going to chat. And if you want. You can put your earphones in and listen to me. And Becker discourse anything and everything whilst homeworking says an inverted commerce and I do know from my work listens to this. I'm Jokin after work. Wink wink so BECA say children. I've already told you have an speaking very low. Yes and I'm just sick of being told off for the volume. I speak frankly. Well you shouldn't speak like a mouse. I don't feeling amongst feel like a human very quiet human mad. So what we thought we'd do. We just have random conversations rarely so expected this to be about ghosts if the title they can give it away. It's not just want to keep you company and also make sure you are all right so let's forget about them for twenty minutes half an hour. Whatever is so what we do of. We've got a bouquet of called the penguin guide to the superstitions of Britain an island kind of on theme. We occupant a kind of one thing. I'M GONNA try to as much as possible. You know at the end of the day. I haven't got any guys lettuce to read album saving them for the actual grossly episode. So in the meantime we'll just go up and they don't act like Shabaab Gilmore girls. You can trust them. Go MacGill's if you if you want to rarely Dole conversation bought me pointers as putting something out whilst we can so that it's going to be nice and let's just listen to them to balloons make sense. Yes apart from being referred to as a balloon. Well you awful of her and I couldn't say hotter because and so shall we begin with this book of the superstitions of Britain and Ireland. Okay but I'd like you to do because I'm holding. The record in the end is to just get through it and I know you just find one that you want to discuss about. What just I just find the do it by paragraph size. He'll new just like a small paragraph. Just read that out and then we'll discuss okay am prepared as always k. There's one here there. It's it's pointing to a different entry. Dissolve abascal by the way guys. It's Kinda like a dictionary. Diction sneezing. Co on cuts and then it says see cuts. Having a Kohl's we're going to have to try and find God. It's like a choose your own adventure restrooms like it's really crack version version going to have to try and find that one because you know who doesn't want to know all about sneezing cuts or you sneeze when you see a cat. I'm trying to find God. You need case you've got cats baby. Is this what Google looks like if it was a black? This is what Google does but at the speed of light. Yeah I think he was quicken. The cans foreign may cuts born May. Yeah Torian cat say widespread belief that cats born in mayor lookie sickly of little uses mouses will revert of little use as Mouses. Jeff Katz born in May or of little use as a mouse as mouses as in. Oh all right okay. That makes it say all that's never mind. The ones born in. May or cuts are pretty bad mice okay. That's not not a bit dark dark. Well only feel kittens and I do like it and upset and it doesn't like hidden except well considering cheering people off. I'm not going to go on about these people. Joining kittens drowning. Benadryl move on move on. This conversation is reversing having a cold. Let's go to the to the one that I actually wanted. A relatively widespread belief maintain that families. Health was to some extent dependent on the cats and if the last two showed symptoms of a cold especially sneeze or cough the whole household would get it very soon on the reference. I is is family believed if the costs in the house every member of the family willing to take the cough. Consequently as the feeling begins to give indications of Kohl's she must be removed from smoke physician by the fire and given over to the tendencies of the world wrote the tendencies of the Outer World Valley. Should I should say that to the homeless people who live on bolster look at you reveling in the tender mercies of the outside world. Quite a cut sneezing heavy rain and if the cut sneezes day before yours in Europe you may expect great good fortune so you'll presumably still be getting a cold anyway. You got great for two minute. You know what I just. Interestingly I can see just on the front cover this that this cost three pound from a charity shop but originally is the penguin guide the generally good for God's going to memorize all this like any book I've memorized dictionary. Poppycock P poppycock a word which means nonsense Fu Barness what Food Souvenirs Foo Foo Bonus Poppycock. See public solidly sociology. Econo- Poppycock Sif. What was it furnace? Let's see poppycock. It's more I in the definition of. Listen don't blame me blame The the guy who invented the diction his name Andrew Edwards and while on cats cut streaming of this entry a few folklore collections specifically mentioned dreaming of cats now for an interpretation apparently based on the spiteful side feeling character in the unanimous assessments to dream of cops is considered unlucky denoting treachery and quarrels on the part of friends. Oud If you dream of a cat you're GONNA follow you. Mates wasn't that that was losing teeth. If you lose teeth you'RE GONNA lose me losing teeth insecurity. Well you know Reid jumped up last night. Is there anything more Dolan? Listen to other people's dreams yes doe De something which is not enjoyable. So you'd be Becker icon billy colony. I was watching a billy connolly. Stand up routine from the side of the stage. Were best friends best friends. And it's one of those dreams or you know what you wake up on almost injury but you wake up and then you go back and you kind of in the same breath and wearing two different outfits and there was one particular end of the stand up routine return where it was on his knees and Asandra. Amer like Waylon but it was the end of the routine so people would just like clapping and leave and we still waylon on his knees and Billy Kelly so hope that's not a poor of death. It'd be clapping and leave. And if he was dying no no. You're obviously not in real life but in my twisted brave and that's what the anyway tell us those who petition. Cats ARE OKAY K. Barracks on say that one cuts dying. It's considered voyeurs. Diane hosts so Russian lies. He's feeling by reference to the look the family head for their pat but it doesn't sit well with the reality. In which alien cuts were taken up? Size however tentatively and left to die or even know who consider in joining us moving on am gripe scrubbing that from the scrubbing scrubbing. S. C. Removing yeah okay so onto something. Nice hats white. So we all know what blackouts do we all know what buckets we cover blackouts. I think everybody knows blackouts to be on. Look at them again. The Room lucky in some areas and book Lee said blackouts are lookie. You're not gonNA say the classroom. Look if it crosses your path but certain places. Look if it crosses your path. Komo's one of the places. If you see Carre read this the cup that blackouts lookie is now almost universally accepted in Britain. Good look cards better pictures. Lucky charms sale umbrella brides a happy to meet one. I will always be happy to me. Your what's happened to me when you order bride? I'm not a well known. Firm of soap manufacturers recently used as advertisements picture obviously photograph of a family wedding group standing on the church steps and watching with evidence elect a black cat walking to the bride and something to do with soap. I am the historical pitcher however is less straightforward and there are plenty of references which makes it quite clear that song book cut off a fall from Gordon. This reference says it's very unfortunate thing for months mees early in the morning. An ill favoured mom a woman a rough footed hand shocker dog or what cut what on our would you decide for about a rough footed. Hannah's catch the head and look at the hands feet. Let's regale our story of the funniest hand we've ever met. Which is a strange. It's at odds over audio. What we'll try our best. So basically you went to a garden sensitive Dhabi's in speak which is in Liverpool and they had for sale hens. So that you could buy one obviously to lay eggs and chicken wire and beyond the chicken fence whatever you WANNA call it like in a little area of the back of the shop and this little gail us about five Before I should say before we say this we see notice that this black head was strewn around the shop. Wasn't it like it was out amateur and said look at must've escaped so I went over to the guy who work their way beyond someone else. Who was asking something and when you ends. I said to the guy made some stories about support. I think one of you chickens escaped. Said it's like bouncing around. And he said Oh no no. That's like clive. He's a fight with all the chicken so we just let them walk around. I was like really alright. Okay wrestle cooped up and this one should literally got another shop so we went back over to the chicken just looking and then we had our fill of looking chickens and we to walk away and this like six year old girl must have been about five actually goes up to the chicken fence and she's holding onto the chicken wings and she's like mom. Mom Look at these chickens are look at these chickens. Now what mean Beca can see. Is Clive. The naughty hand is took an interest in the scale from way back and literally strips like shoulders. Moving forward. Opt to beyond this girl. She's no idea that he's there. She's looking right into the pad. Hello Chicken Chicken. Clive's to under and honest to God you like cartoons when like the big bud trying to blow down the three the three pigs house and he takes a deep breath and back arches. And he's got like the whistle sound like shape of his mouth. This chicken don not like took the biggest brat s to protest Darpa out and it just leads honest to God. This girl's shoulders went up and she slowly turned around with the most fear. You've seen a five year old girl. And she went out. She disbelief in kooks coming slowly. Sarah runs over dies and the clouds. I recognise Israel footed hand. Think thing. Excuse you could see on breath. It was one angry. That'll buster. I'm really a fan of them and I'm really in a fan of the stuff with like not be honest is a bit of a brick so we just let him do what he wants. It's just not worth the trouble. Yeah exactly yeah. I like to think that he's in someone's back garden just like smoking cigarettes and riding harleys around the yard doing it again. He's probably dead now. Any probably made a lovely Sunday episode. Yes on that note and this is occurring in a whistling girl. A black cat a considered most unlucky. Beware of them in a house or whistling girl lost. It was that sit on the dock of the bay. It's very lookie probably. Do you know that my mother used to hate people whistling and I thought well I initially thought it was a superstition but mentioned to me that after she died and said. Why don't we stay? People whistling in the house and stupidly boils off that it must have been the superstition and it turns out. She sat he said because no one could whistle properly so she would have hated what you've just thought very windy. Who Educate Properties are probably? She would find but that apparently sometimes you probably comes and goes accuweather really. I lost at the end at the end. At the end it went it went blowy thins like mammals. See you can either. But you don't have the ball. You just want to shop whistle sound like enough magic and I would you know what would you possibly because I have the ears of a bat. So we thought blackouts white cats. Yes there's look a white cat's why captain then turn turn and then he gets good. Thank you that was cut by the Q. And if you'RE GONNA cases white cats specifically reporters unlucky probably in contrast to the general looking us in black cats but possibly to because Weiss. Examples of various animals for example has viewed with suspicion. This reference says I also have a little white card which I am back to get rid of as White House and everything have been going wrong since it came all. This is an interesting psychological. Look here because I was geared to believe of there was gonna be some sorts of racial connotations to that you. Will you know like the? It's the world that we live in. Unfortunately now there's a lot of things to do with braces and the where it's like like without trying to sound like Augmentin where people are like Bob. Black looking black cats and look he did it at it at a an unfortunately a lot of people transfer those sorts of beliefs onto humans as well and like that like we watched that one hundred humans on Netflix. And it's amazing. By the way watch it brilliant and there was heavy race bias from people who believe that they weren't wasn't wasn't a scientific experiment bought one of the key. Experiments was the data white guy in a black guy. Stand up with two mobile phones and there was you. Were the person in a shooting range and you had to shoot somebody gone but not just a phone and time time again when the black and the white person stood up the black person was shot. Even though just had a phone you could look at it. And it's not scientific experiments in my argument was like Sue Times the way that the black chap was holding the phone he was holding it more like a gun than the White Guy. So in a blinkered second would be like. He's almost like a gone for example. Two hands around the phone. I'm just pointing out. Where's the White Guy was obviously? Just take each other arm outstretched though with the end with everyone split-second judgments it yet. No I'm not saying that the one on the line wrong racial bias there because the definitely walls. What I'm saying is a do think that there was a lot more factors that could have been taken into account you also missing about the biggest factor that makes it worse that he kept going for the Buckeye. What was the new? Oh yeah that does make worse owner but world on old on the known but the also new within the premise of the experiments that none of these people are criminals. So that kind of makes the note and redundant. It doesn't make the redundant because the thing is you talking about you. Split-second reaction on whether you shooting someone or not. So they're literally go in this saying if black and white guy apartment off at the same time the literally going for the the White Guy. The Stranger is less of a threat in the Buckeye. The now that was the second thing he tried to push that on. A number of MY ARGUMENT IS ENTERING THE EXPERIMENT. Under the premise. It's not a real gone under the premise. That these are actors so it kind of it. It's not as I don't think it does because you you're a lot more lightly yet. Your natural reactions generally would be to be scared of someone. You don't like more threatening that someone you know you're not a good point. I mean I completely agree with the God I do believe that. That's the case. But was fantas faulkner renders. It's absolutely horrendous. And the thing about the woman as well where what he basically done. I mean what is program? We're not suppose enroll for you but I am but right with one of the experiments that as well is the hot guy split the hundred humans who were the people doing the experiments into two groups of fifty and the guy turned up in like a Ferrari say when she knows in the white shirt and gets out and says my name's Todd and this caused my life and then they said right what you'd opinions about. And this I fifty group is saying is clearly take very clever blah blah blah and then the the other fifty people of women turned up in the same Barry Pants same shirt and she gets out and says managed Jane and this caused my life the exact same line. And you're like what you think about Jane. She's clearly intelligence. She's clearly a doctor or something like this. And even though they are those MIS misconceptions those bias those assumptions of the people. The key one was then when the two groups okay who thinks that The WHO thinks that the guy and over one hundred thousand dollars and almost everyone for the hand up and he got to the woman he said who thinks she is one hundred thousand dollars a lot. Less of the hands went up. It's just such a program done even though they thought the woman was more intelligent educators and hearts and the call yet the old that she and less shitless which is probably true which is probably true but it really is. I mean I'm always wanted Talia. I'm always want for. I'm not necessarily a believer in in biased. I am not ally. Boorda mean is my my point of it is there's always nuances that go into these experiments which I think will all done that could have swayed swayed but this is a brilliant program that really tries to show you that even when you think this is going to be fine. It's well worth of watcher. Do Watch it anyway. But our TV suggestion for this week for this episode. So moving on back to superstitions do a lesser of. Yeah okay all local for let's say W for. We need to talk about ghosts pulling the ISA trying to maintain health on. What's which I'm just GONNA SKIP? Boards will awards as in Watson all like seriously like three or four pages full. Which would just going to go. You want to know about what seriously I look at six pages because the Dutch because boards have a lot of folklore on them. Don't think like robot with a stone. Shall we should look staife. You're either time you tried to Papa Sti- all and added for four years literally the seizure photos of me. I make you know what I might do for the laugh. Put those photos me with various hairstyles. Get older over four years with a truck big like that. Nfl eight new new arriving yourself. Oh you're not supposed to prophesy then anyway bizarrely. It causes it. Didn't it didn't even mind. There was like you know when you get one of them spots which is under your skin and you think I should leave that Bernardo new. Because it's clearly going to pop and you try to pop. Unlike Greece out of water comes out and it just goes. I'm going to get angry and now and I'm going to stay forever and you're like Dr Mu. Yeah you know we moved. I watch for a reason to. He's apologized story. Yeah anyway well. Let's be honest. This now. Does the lows about whistling still which I feel like. We've kind of already searched on but this is whistling woman. Slash Crowing Hen again. Both of those charges similar things Whitson Whitson criminal with soon. Is it's around wit. Well the width holidays. I'm pretty sure it's a Sunday. Now it's wit is around. Easter is nicer commodities visit between spring and summer with senator to Catholicism. I'm a lapsed Catholic. So get it right back more bad Catholic but Sunday's well Jesus shoe size book signed loss. Is this something even. I knew that you didn't know no the ones on the US in just to say I'm infinitely better than you. A Catharsis. Yeah obviously because you are in fact scuffling and you are reclaiming. What are you an atheist and non denominational nondenominational fucking Vega. It's all subscribe twenty six. It's not like that's not like a where I've invented something. I am Fox. You believe in God. No Jewish you believe in a higher power. Potentially g believe that this is we're just here through chaos and entropy and science old. You think there could be some sort of spiritual being the has a play. I don't think this at conscious mind. But I do think does Adora noto the universe is unfolding as it should interesting? I'll you be my thoughts during confession and you wouldn't even know where to go for confession. What no exactly. I mean Congo. Now Jesus open a door and you will find me lift up a piece of bread and I will be there to these everywhere. He's like Sheffield unacceptable. Well now you don't tell me. Well no because my. Jesus loves me modules. Let's say things. I'm not aware lapsed Whitson Person. Born arts lavish tradition held that child born Whitsunday at an evil destiny ahead of them. I hadn't even read that before we started excellence. They would either kill or be killed. They would be hung with autism of the violent death. Economists one of the ways to avoid such face which she'd probably want to do was to stage a symbolic death for the child. Right okay so other ways to the Christian we're going to kill them. After it and the reference here is all the Whitsunday eighteen twenty one. A child was born to pop Mitchell. A laborer it said that the child born on that day is fated to kill or be killed to avert the storm a little grave was made and the infant late therein with Klay lightly sprinkled on it sought supported by twigs covering the whole. This was the child buried unless it's resurrection deemed to be freed from them all addiction. We need to find a one with Google is where it's your birthday. Don't know my mind may the eighteenth which is shed. Can I just say? By Pope John Paul the Second Martikan who Sung Martigues Kitchen and Footballer Dennis Bergkamp and all three of us one day. We'll get together well. Pope John Paul. The second. Did this idea. I went to Rome on Tommy birth which obviously shared by Pope John. Paul the second. This is where Pope John Paul. The second owner wasn't sort of that brand new the all of the museums and Rome on my thanks for free though for free so you get into the Sistine Chapel all in Vatican City wonderful like citywides national holidays on you on birth. Don't use you've got that in Rome with the opened the mall and General Light. Nice was frequently on your birthday. This big liberal festival where again all like absolutely free and displays events going on. We weren't used in the Anglican Cathedral because it's all right to be Knob in a Protestant cathedral couldn't do that in the Catholic one. We literally did that last week. In the custody wasn't drunk. You enter the code. That was in the festival festival. Anywhere in trump went to the Catholic cathedral do okay. What all between Catholics and Protestants and Whitsunday is well this year anyway. 'cause obviously we change here by Sunday the thirty first of May this year rights. So there you go. If you know anyone who's Jewish around the May be sure to tell them if they have to bury the child shortly after birth Grit and clay and Dick backup seventh Sunday after Easter. Why is it? What's it all about? Watch it Alabama Song. What let me see if I can actually get this. I'm pretty sure hundreds and hundreds of Catholic. You know it's definitely Catholic. Slow Palm Sunday. 'cause THAT'S BE. Whitson it's going to be something carryover from the Pagan thing. Well not least yourself Catholic. How very day you take everything from from? G'S PAGANS DID NOT Jesus converted religious. This up as you know why. It's the strangest thing. I'm not religious really in the slightest. I do have this inherent Catholic bone running through me say am bought. Yeah I do and you know it's I'm I'll be the first to say. Probably got probably isn't could all be bollocks but I do. Have this brady staunch defending of it. You know I will fight people for trying to put it down and Explained well in being brave second day Whitsun also Whitsunday or Whit. Sunday is the name used especially in Britain island and throughout the world among Catholic and Methodist for the Christian Festival of pentecost the Seventh Stanza Costa which commemorates what. What's pentecost? I'm pretty sure pentecost is it. No it's the dumpster fire coming down. I don't always doesn't mention that. But says which commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit upon Christ's disciples this. Yes that's exactly what you just said. No it's the same thing. It's the same thing pretty sure spoken tongs etc and defy. Thank you very much. This is in the northwest of England. Church and Chapel Braids called with walks still take place at this time sometimes on whit Friday the Friday after Whitsun. And that's confusing because you presume prior. I mean it's just new consistency. 'cause Easter Friday and Easter Monday is the Friday and then the Monday whereas here Whitsunday. What Friday is the Sunday then the Friday so that we can between. It's just confusing to keep keeps it? Just inconsistence this religion where the mandate from the cave and then floated up to heaven inconsistent. This no logic systems. Typically the parade include brass bands and choirs gills sending addressed in whites and not whistling as out. Morris Johnson is associated with Whitson Wadden Cambridgeshire has its own widsom tradition of singing a unique song on village before and on Whitsunday itself. What is the unique song? Oh you're in Cambridge wits son. We would like to wear the pants we like to do. The dingle we like to have dance. It says that the name is a contraction of white Sunday. And I feel like if if it's white it's barely worth saying like contracting it to wait as well no no much more effort to say it is because Whitson is one word White Sundays too but it's also known as whit Sunday Yup. Listen listen listen. Listen you're ready would someday someday. No listen listen when I do it. Whitsunday why Sunday attested to the name is a contraction of white Sunday tested in the Holy Ghost whom Thou didst send on Whitsunday to aspire to doves. Okay Yeah Constantinople Five. Maybe it's just in pitches of seeing a new show was coming down. I mean that kind of make because white seems very heavy and obviously so have on the white to could be racial days. Josh choosing a lesser. This'll be the last one now because this has been a half hour. Okay okay sorry. Let's be Rebecca. Let's if your cursed just comes becker unlucky for Kevin Be Becca Heathens number? It's after a yeah. I know but the lowest I'm trying to get a decent one. That doesn't mention drowning on Yuan's horrendous well to play the hunt that dealt faces one hundred dial quick especially this sounds Richard and bees and then cologne souls as and bs of soldiers in hookah. Manali one or two references indicates a belief that people's souls can leave body while asleep usually taking the form of a bay on the references. I remember some forty years ago. Hearing The servant from Lincolnshire Released Story or two travelers who laid down by the roads to rest on one fell asleep the other seeing a base at law neighboring wall and go into a little hole put the end of his stuff in the hole and so in prison the be interesting. Wishing to pursue his journey he endeavoured to awaken his companion but was unable to do so until resuming his stick. The B. flew to the sleeping man went into their deeming. The companion then woke him. Remarking how Saudis Been Asleep in what? You've been dreaming of. Oh said he drank that you should be open a dark cave and I could not awake until you let me out the person who told me the story firmly believe that my that months-old was in the B. What's interesting is it says. It's not how widespread this belief was although some indication that best known in Scotland. Very interesting now. Your stepfather is a beekeeper as he keeps bees. He's a beekeeper by trade. He's retired headmaster. Easer you keep bees. Doesn't it so that makes him some sort of God? Yes Controlling all the cells that we need to think about that. They gave me the tell you talk about bees climbing into things that tell you as a youth. I mean as an adult swim as you know they can't. This is a great example of those who think the con and those cons usually rights. Because you can't swim. I've seen you swim. You've done a lens. Philby's thank you on holiday and done that length. An Uber Sat stood. You suck up the other end of the pill now is not remember when I was getting you can do. And it was about a meter away from the end of the year. I was also. You're that within my Andreessen. I'm going to go back to his five foot. An arm's length away from this is it and he was an arm's length away honestly literally was put on hold desire need to fine so it sounds quite hall. That was just on. They're watching but I was like just drop. This is what he's doing to finally completely takes his big deep breaths and launches himself talk. Show the logic Italy then stunned the wars coming just chin. Go use both embarrassing in an relieving ball anyway. Couldn't wannabes insisted on China's CCS your children Hans so hugely can't stop it suffer. You need to learn that this is ridiculous. You need services includes back. Stop it you take you take me. So then he takes you decide off of this. Big Deep Breath goes on these difficult but that she still had all the midriff both hands so it couldn't actually get away and put the best thing he didn't know he wasn't swimming lands in the and then when he came off disciplines anyway consumers the child as well. Obviously we were in the baby pool swimming with skill. And there's a lot that called Alan. That's not going to send him case knows anyway. So there's about four of us. Everyone else in the big pool swim because the normal. I'm me Allen and like to where the people are about ten years old able to spin and but he couldn't put his head. Underwater really must have the real big phobia about Japan so feel Fordham about bought. The reason he gave to the teachers was amazing. You said accomplishment untoward that he can't just put your comment by Karna. He said two years ago a be curled up. We know WHO's an anytime it gets wet. It's things me and the teacher will like right. That's the oldest speed. That's ever lived and economists survive in the nasal. Cavities as anyone to be fair. Probably didn't anyway. So yeah so I think brings us to the end of this little. Let's get your mind off stuff and got me more these what we're going to do tomorrow copy every day because we also do stuff a patriarch of course so what we're going to do for tomorrow's. Patriae on the additional episode. We're going to watch a video. We're going to find a scary video on Youtube. We're going to watch it live. And we're going to tell you how to find that video so that you can start as we're starting we're going to watch not Caesar's basically and see if you want to go and senator page onto what it's www dot patriots dot com slash. We need to talk about ghosts if you can't do that. That's absolutely understandable. Given the climate we will speak to you more occasionally then we will. It's going to be more than once a week probably couple times a week. Not all about ghosts as we sat because sometimes about never about going on the normal weekend episodes will remain the same standard episodes. So you'll be able to decipher which is which because I'll literally call. It's not about ghosts episode. Yeah Yeah it's going to stay on track but anyway take yourselves makes us right. Okay and We speak Justin Taty by.

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Episode 294 - Finally Legal in New Zealand!

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Episode 294 - Finally Legal in New Zealand!

"Atheist ads episode to ninety four finally legal in New Zealand. Podcast. You're about to listen to includes cursing and talking about who Hawes please be advised. Well, CNN represent of atheists nomads. I am destined. Joining me as Lauren the otherwise known as the who ha lady. And we have Aaron Hello. And we are joined by the owner who lady. Yeah. Well, four three and a half. Not to say that currently doesn't have a who. Or that? She only has half of who. Oh. She has a cute fanny. What can we talk about her toes? Yeah. Adorable or Magadan her toes are so cute. To talk about her baby's toes and you've got half our people talking about corn. Because they look like little Niblett and you want to eat them. I do on eight. Oh, yeah. Oh, they're so cute. So Beth is a comedian here. Locally the Aaron has tried to get on now twice. And her first time on a podcast. So Beth will try to go on you? Hey, thanks. Appreciate it. I'm talking into a microphone got headphones on and there's a baby. It's gonna be she's got a lacrosse and a TB off Qana PB wa pm. In a particularly good mood today. Despite the fact that she has like all of the rest of her teeth coming in right now. Maybe that's why she's chewing on this thing. Yup. Definitely the incisors in first molars you're supposed to come in gradually over the next six months. But then they're all right now. Yeah, they're all budding. She's terrifyingly adorable. Thank you. Baseball player that points out into the stands before he hits the home. This is a little kid with cancer. Oh, so great. All right. Let's go and move into dust and off the degree. And okay. This is kind of one where I didn't really have any good ideas. So I decided let's talk about terms because they're important to actually know the cabbie Larry vocabulary. Yes, it's important because these are terms term of time. Yes. They get thrown around all the time like a congress person. President something they'll end gets thrown around all the time often misused sometimes it can be misused intentionally like almost weaponized. But all too often, it ends up being misused in a way that just makes atheists on the internet. Look like ignorant assholes let we don't want that. So. With your terminology like for a good example, don't assume that all Christians believe all the things that are included in Catholic dogma because they don't do not drop the term Christian mythology you will get ostracized. Jesus is used interpretive Lee a lot. I would I think that's a term could break that down. There we go. So let's and start off with one of the big ones. Religion. A religion is religion as a term just refers to a set of beliefs. It often gets misused to apply to atheism. Humanism? It doesn't apply because it's not beliefs relevant to a higher power, which is part of the definition behind religion. It is however very nice that courts are starting to view humanism as being at least a quivalent to a religion for protections in government services like prisons. So that is a step in the right direction. But it is humanism is not a religion. We shouldn't try to say that it is. It's a bully. If it's an ethical framework. Okay. All right philosophical traditions of legend. So basically. So when we look at it is humanism is a philosophical tradition. Oh, if you add magical thinking to it. It's a religion. There is Christian humanism. That is a religion. But it's is religion. But it is not necessarily a religion. Because humanism started out as a Christian thing. Denomination specifically refers to a small ish. Protestant branch of Christianity. So southern Baptist is a denomination United Methodist denomination Seventh Day, Adventist denomination. Don't. Call the Roman Catholic church denomination. It's not what about the Mexican Catholics. They're just Roman Catholic. So why do they even define it as Roman Catholic? If there's no other Catholic because the eastern orthodox churches are also Catholic. Yeah. It's gonna say there is that aren't they Catholic denominations? No, no, they they aren't they're considered Catholic Protestant and orthodox are considered branches of Christianity branches. And if you are a branch, you're not a denomination denomination. Yeah. Again, specifically I to Protestant groups, but the Roman Catholic church considers itself. To be the orthodox Catholic church Catholic, meaning universal orthodox meaning correct, doctrine eastern orthodoxy also consider themselves to be orthodox Catholic churches. Sect is a term. That's S E C T sect. It is refers to any splitting of religions so a different group within a religion. So you'll hear about Jewish sects usually referring to the different branches of Judaism when somebody refers to a Christian sect, it's usually a vastly different group. That's not one of the major branches. And it's not also a denomination nondenominational. You mean, no, dammit nondenominational is actually each church is its own denomination. They are just marketing their self nominate. Nation sect would would pretty accurately define describe like Jehovah's Witness Mormon. And can be used to describe Scientologists. Oh, Scientology is its own. Religion timid God. I'm so confused. Yeah. Not Christian at all. Oh in the chat lake section. Yes. Jimmy. So then colts is in. The most academic sense. Just refers to anything religious cult practices just refer to any religious practices. A cult object just refers any religious objects, but colts in common usage refers to a Christian generally Christian sect with a charismatic leader that causes their members to be isolated out from the rest of society. I can see that with Jonestown. Yeah. That's the definition. What about what about that? Oh, what about that Colt? When you say there was a coal that Oregon one. Yeah. That was a cult. But that wasn't Christian though, generally Christian. Okay. Not necessarily Christian generally Christian. Like there are new age cults as well. Okay. Aliens is America count. Pretty much house. He general rule of thumb is called nationalism and its general rule of thumb wants a cult survives. The death of its charismatic leader it often, then becomes. Either a sect or denomination. So we're talking Mormonism here. So mormonism. Wink and moved from Colt to sect Adventists moved from, cultivate, and I'm a nation K Scientology moved from cult to colts. L Ron Hubbard, and that's one of the things that can happen with. It is a big part of it is just how different is it Scientology is so different that it gets viewed as a cult. No. It's just a different religion. It has a lot of things that it shares in common with groups are identified as colts and could easily be classified as writing every time. You talk about colts. All I can think of as every religion is a cult to varying degrees. Yeah. But in terms of common usage of it. It has a very specific. Meaning so my mom has a really cool way of getting me to go to you now. And she and I will only go if I get lunch afterwards. She has two. So the next time she has want me to go. And she's like, I guess we can go to good burger this like really good burger place. That's popping up downtown. I was like hell, yeah. Okay. That's how my family used to get us to go to Home Depot. Yeah. Dogs McDonald's after. Dogs that they used to serve at Home Depot with grilled onions. And the mustard and again, it was so good. I just remember home depot's Virginia have really good like Italian cheese steak things outside new delicious. Me a little hungry, right? They know working people are hungry. Yeah. For sure. What are you saying? We're working people who go to Home Depot, you're buying stuff too. I thought she was saying that because I'm a stay at home. Mom. I'm not hungry. No, I'm starring does. I am. First of all, I said people were hungry. Talk about Home Depot over. Oh, this actually does cycling nicely. The the whole stay at home. Moms don't work as a myth. Well, I say are working hard. Yeah. I think that's been proven time again for. Record. I I do believe say at home moms, go to Home Depot, I. They do. We can spend hours. Also, single ladies, don't like Home Depot or just we should go to Home Depot sometime together. Just check out the lighting area. We'll go hang out on the zen friends and plant go. Yeah. Let's do that plant section is awesome. This time. We also get a scooter and scooter. Oh now, you wanna scooter? Yes. I was in a weird mood, and it was cold. It was cold. Yes. Skater in the cold wind. And then plus the look we offer congress. Conversation with the guy who dated my roommate? And then I told my roommate who so weird. Oh, you did when she was like. Wonder why it's doing that? Now. I know right. He was like I used to Disney manage data for big companies bartend, the I'm not gonna say the place in the thing live. Live and this is usually what way Dustin which also fun ways to putz around town. With the helmet of scooters. A myth is a thing that people claim that isn't true. That isn't it's something they believe is true. But isn't actually true, which is what separates it from ally. Ally is something you say that, you know, isn't true is a method story it's often stories and generally speaking, it is used when nobody believes it's true. So the Greek myths, the Roman myths, those are those worthy doctrines and stories of their religions, nobody still follows those religions so now, they're just myths. Could they have like good? Lessons. So like you've Christianity were to die. Now, the the gospel stories would just be the Christian myths that sounds promising. Yeah. I mean, I I stand behind that thousand years that could be the case. I mean, I would say now, but yeah, that's not an hour will get you. Maybe there's aside watch. Hi v there's a market for that. So a tradition is something that people have believed for a long time or a practice that people have done for a long time. And in terms of religion, a religious tradition is just it can be Christmas. A large set of things they have done or it can just be specific things that they do. Then there is dogma document is simply a one specifically in Catholic concept, Atlanta's Mars. Yes, she is isn't she God? She is. Yeah. What was one? It's like, oh man and the best like Ben Affleck Matt Damon pair up ever, we gotta put some humor to this. Let's do this dogmas. Specifically, a Catholic concept. That means it's stuff. The church says is true. It. But knows that. It's the church knows that it's not true. Or they think they believe it to be true. It is not a lie from the Catholics point. Does it closer to a myth Protestants have doctrines, which are generally considered to be there? What they view as their current understanding of what the bible teaches the Catholic church. Does not have doctrine it has dogma which is a combining of doctrine and tradition into stuff that they say just is. And what's something becomes dogma? You're not supposed to argue with it. Or is it punishable by death excommunication same thing? Yeah. For some people if you were in fifteen hundred Germany could be the same thing as deaths down you and by Germany. I mean the holy Roman empire, which was neither holy nor Roman empire. Idiots. Judgy? Are you calling a thousand years of feudalism in Europe to have been the concept of idiots here? We'll go with that. They were doing their best Aaron. Consider how inbred they were. You would have done any better. Probably not. Rather than like, yeah. I'll go with that. That's good day fell in a day. Or no way. They didn't fall in the day. Right. Will be. Make a segue Rome was built in a day. And it took decades for it to fall. I think is how the saying goes, so hopefully, these defining these terms will be useful. Don't misuse them. On chats ignorantly comment notepad? But feel free to misuse them. In a way that is them. So we do want to weaponize them, of course, because we believe that Christianity is a myth. Let's so anyway, let's go ahead and talk about news. I love the news. Well, visiting the area in Alabama that was recently hit with tornadoes, Donald Trump stopped ended, a Baptist church makes sense because his base at this point is just evangelical is the Alabama Baptists. There's more of them and their his base. They're all this left people. There gave him things to autograph anything they could find hats scraps of paper and a bible. It was like heck. Yeah. God anointed me president. So now, I shall sign. This book is do I make out the dedication to? The jesus. Donald Trump signed cheese. Oh, some of the responses I've seen to this have been whole Larrea soy the responses have been far funnier than the actual store. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Of course. I mean, it's just going to have it on hand. Right. He probably can't he probably just didn't read the cover. So. The cover. Yeah. You're right. Not not a matter of will. Well, we know that he doesn't read the bible because he never made it to bible study. Although he wants to ten like you did or Vietnam. And he does. And he doesn't even know bible study this week, I have bone Spurs. I can't go to be at Phnom bible study. Some of the responses where the Trump is. Must think that he wrote the bible? I'm sure God. Or that? He doesn't even know what book it was that he was signing, which is probably the case, right? Or even the, oh, he's just signing it to take credit for what it predicts about him in revelation. Did they say that revelations somebody who's jokingly saying he's the beasts of revelation? Oh now, I like that one. I think everybody gives him much more credit than he deserves. I don't think he thinks about anything. So I think he just yeah. Just did it. He does something handed him something to sign. He was all he knows is how to sign things the person that handed him the bible. That's what I would wasn't it some church member. That was there who was like, I know the bible said, please sign this. Yeah. And he signed it. This bible is going to be worth something someday. Yeah. It'll be the first to be thrown into the fire house where I was just thinking. Hey, there are people who still like Nixon. But then again, Nixon was at least competent if not sweaty. No, the only like him because he's such a great character future. Rama? Yes. He was ready. Nixon the first ever televised debate. Yeah. With with the Kennedy earth Kennedy. But he also was he had influenced. Well, that was just silly had a fever. Are you trying to like stick up for Richard? Nixon sounds like you're defending knows. I know. I guess. He lies corrupts because he was he had a cold. I don't know. He was corrupt because he was a paranoid sociopath. I share that. He wasn't just winning because he was a paranoid sociopath. And he was like, oh, no, I'm on TV. And I'm about to say a bunch of lies to people. And it's gonna be televised. No, let's just say, it's influenza. My favorite sweat is the upper lip sweat. The one trickle down the Cy slops what down your ass crack. But you know, whatever to get to get a shot of that at some point like the single trickled down into the ask crack about that. That would be a real. It's actually pretty catchy song about we'll see her. Something about being a holy roller. I don't know. I'll think of it that fits really well with our discussion earlier sweat. Okay. I digress. Okay. So no, wait. He's claiming to have a spaceship puddle of Mudd. Okay. That's like so rate. I've I've tried ordering the segue the stories into a mix of secret on east serious. We get happy. Good news. Bad news. Yeah. So this is serious. Okay. See now, we're going to put on her serious face. Okay. Bill was proposed in the Idaho state legislature. That would have finally established a minimum age to get married under the Bill children's sixteen or seventeen years of age would have allowed to get married with the consent of parents and a judge the Bill failed by a margin of twenty nine to thirty eight citing concerns about the government getting involved in marriage it looking too much like the state's statutory. Rape law. And this is the same legislature. That was so upset about same sex couples getting married, but they're just fine with twelve year old girls marrying forty year old men, but not twelve year olds because again, 'guest person married in the state was thirteen. Okay. There finds a thirteen year olds per se. Gotta get back straight here. But there is nothing in the law that would prevent a two year old from getting married. Yeah. It's it's bullshit, especially with all the other things. I don't understand their hatred against women and children. Honestly, I mean, I should understand it, right? Like, I should understand that. I think some of the mud even think it's like they're protecting their rights like a sixteen year old should have the right to get married if they want. No, we're talking about thirteen year old should even though. That's like I'm surprised that didn't pass solely based on the anti sharia sharia law crap that people have been spewing for the past couple of years. Well, specifically what I think it comes down to is the conservative Christian fear of their daughters becoming single moms and that bringing shame upon the family, and if they can get a shotgun wedding. In there that takes care of it. Otherwise, the kid will have to have an abortion, and this can't be doing that. Right. So by allowing a thirteen fourteen fifteen year old to get married because she's pregnant that takes care of it. That doesn't take care of it though. I just find it. Anyway, whatever segue. I don't know. I don't know what to say. I know sometimes we just get baffled. I mean, there's other things that also, you know, like, Medicaid expansion in work requirements. No. Yeah. Well, I just I just interesting. I just find it interesting that like it's the pick. And choose of what what government can kindercare right exactly like they don't want the government to get involved with marriage. But they didn't have any issue with a state constitutional amendment that prohibited. Same sex marriage. Right. That was the state getting involved in marriage. Right. And plus marriage is controlled by the state. Yeah. So that is exactly what the state is there. The state is involved in marriage. I thought we were all about states laws here right likely federal law interfere with your church. Yeah. Oh, silly me. It is also possible. We're looking at as well now that they have to allow the now that the state has to. Grant, marriages to same sex couples that they just want to get the state government completely out of it. And just leave it up churches. Well. But until you get a state judge. It's not gonna do you any good? All right. Yeah. So I can with local a trans woman housed with the Idaho department of corrections has been allowed to continue her home therapy despite being housed in the men's prison. And a federal judge has now ruled in her favor that the state must allow her to get gender confirmation surgery because she can't get moved over to the women's facility until she does because she's going to kill herself. If she doesn't get cable that to she's yeah. She's already tried. So having serious problems. She's already attempted to do the surgery herself with a razor ball. Wow. Twice. Oh. Failed both times I'm guessing she passed out both times. Sure. And so the state the state's argument against this was that they don't fund surgeries like this in any of the state provided health plans. So why and she's a prisoner? So they have to pay for it. And they don't want to be paying for this. Right. And the judge's response was it's their job to keep her live. And if they don't do the surgery she will die in their care. Right. They are appealing, of course. But also have a deadline of June. And there's not a chance that the ninth circuit's gonna get to this this year, let alone by June the tough at the tough one. After she has the surgery will she be moved to the women's. She moved to the probably not now as if she's got the surgery, and she stays in the men's facility, she's not gonna survive. Anyway, that's already the case. Now, she's already doing the hormones, so she's probably developed boobs. She's been she was presenting as a woman before going into prison. She's already at severe severe risk of rape, murder everything. Yeah. That risk is just going to go up after surgery, right? But that risk is still. But it won't be self-induced. Yeah. All right moving onto the next story. All right. So does that one of the fun ones? No. That was a serious one. Yeah. You had you had a legitimate reaction to that story. Yeah. Hey, same sex couple in Kansas attempted to enroll their child at their local Catholic school for kindergarten. The school wasn't comfortable with this and referred it up to the Bishop, and they decided to the parents couldn't model the churches morals. So the child's application was rejected. Oh, no, no. This is another funding. Kinda is what do you think about why would a same sex couple try and get their kid into a Catholic kindergarten maybe because it's the best school. But in the area is it really. I would I don't wanna get their kidding. You know like kindergarten, right? It's kindergarten. Where was this at this in Perry village, Kansas? Okay. And fun kindergarten in Kansas. Probably if they don't then maybe it's one of the only right. You know? That's thought he was something. I thought affordable kindergartens googling it. I mean, honestly, I know you're saying, but maybe it's it's a good program. Maybe they have high. I don't know, you know, the houses loving retention rates. I don't know. Like, there's a there's a bunch of people who don't believe in a religion. But they're like, hey, this is the best school in this area. And we're going to go and put our kid into this religious able that's true that's homes Bishop Kelly here, so yeah, it's it's a there is a. Personally. I think it's a meth that private school parochial, private schools are superior to public education. They tend to be smaller than public schools unless you're in a large city. So like Bishop Kelly is a large enough school that it probably has a lot of the same programs that Boise high has if you're in a smaller town, it's not going to have those programs because you can't afford to have everything for one hundred students that you'd be able to afford with four thousand right? Also were discounting the fact that they might be religious. You know, they might be Catholic. If they are they aren't allowed. They wouldn't be allowed to take part in communion. They would be. Denied the maybe they're like never ever all the other Catholics said only go twice a year. And right, but they wouldn't even be allowed those times who in a say, no. How did they know? Maybe I'm with my friend here. To take this. I don't know how many hill Mary's do you have to say when you're gay to repent. I wonder you have to stop hands on how often you have sex. I think really or at least orgasm like I had. I have a lesbian couples is going to be more often than anybody else. Yup. So law trying to keep up, you know, are they going to their confession or they? Right. So we're we're swimming. It's a lesbian couple the article doesn't specify if the parents are I actually thought it was a male couple. But maybe it's the fame, you know, what assumptions bad it's just a gay couple. But it's still it's private schools have the benefit of being a little pick their students, and when you can pick your students your test scores are always going to be higher because you're not going to be accepting the bottom half, you're going to only be accepting the top half of kids, intelligence wise, part of that fun special education. You don't have to fund. Yeah. Any of the support staff that public education has to grow. Ever. Yeah. That's and so you put your kids into a school because they it's the best school in the area only because they get to pick and choose when realistically because they're picking who their students are every classes an honors class. But if your kids smart enough, and in public school, your kid could still be in honors class for everything there still is that chance for those to get into those better. There's better programs even public schools, but a lot of this this concept of private schools being so much better. Also, just it's based on tradition of east coast in European private schools. That are often secular like the Ivy league schools have prep schools that are private schools that are the best high schools in the country. That's because they're run by fucking Harvard and Yale. Yeah. That's a lot different than a school. That's run by the Likud, local Catholic, DNC or avenue church. Plus, it probably fucking your kids. She went there. Yup. She's not wrong. We do we have one of those stories this week. We don't. Aaron thank you. Intentionally passing the stories on those stories because we've talked about them way to all Josh so much God. I'm God, we've covered that. Are really weak everytime errands on which is now every week. Well. Can get us fine. We've seen you once every three or four weeks. But now, it's just sad. So Portland has become the second jurisdiction in the United States to explicitly include atheists, agnostics and other non religious people in their nondiscrimination ordinance. Good job, Portland. We're applauding applause applause. I don't I don't have both hands free right now. But. What is the sound of one hand clapping? That sounds like something else. Did you know that a high five is just sharing a clap with somebody who you like? Maybe I should put that into a terrible motivation. Oh, man wasn't mean. When you leave it hanging then. I thought they. You guys got to work on your rhythm. Though. Man. Do we've got plenty in general. So this seems like a nice big win. You know, it was Madison. Wisconsin was the first cities do this. They are home of the freedom from religion foundation. Both my ex is what? Soviet right. Nobody ever talks about it. I know you realize it when you hear it. You're like, oh, yeah. Wisconsin that place. Yeah. And you're like, oh, both my access live in Madison, Wisconsin, okay, Madison, Wisconsin, also generally considered to be one of the most gay friendly cities in the country. So's Portland cheese like Portland has like entire lesbian neighborhoods or getting pretty damn close. Portland's not surprising. But no. Tease cheese. I mean, that's the only reason why go to Wisconsin, not Madison. But Wisconsin what about your Xs? Oh, I would never step foot in medicine because of my excess is that did you are amazing. We're just call them cheese. No. Because I love cheese, and I hate them. All your exes. No, okay. Just those two just the wisconsinite s-. I wouldn't say I hate one of them. When say, I hate the other one, but. We could talk about that later. Yeah. As a pew survey in two thousand fifteen Portland had forty two percent of the population that identified as unaffiliated. That's not surprising, which kind of makes sense that when the Portland chapter the freedom from religion foundation reached out to seconds. I keep looking at it. And it just keep hearing. Oregon's news for meat. When they so it would make sense that they'd be like, okay. Yeah. We should this is almost half of the city. They should probably be protected too. Yep. Because it is generally assumed that rules against discriminating based on religion would also protect against people who have no religion, it doesn't necessarily. I mean, we we met a woman at a shindig couple of weeks ago who lives in a Christian community Jesus. She's not a Christian. But if they ever found out they could kick her out allow there's protections for her. Right. And of course, you wonder why would somebody do that to themselves? Well, housing's a bitch. And you got to live where you can right. Yeah. Like put your kids in kindergarten. You can ever say. Well, if you look at it like that, maybe they lived in the area, exactly. So it's it's one of those, and I think one of the big benefits of them getting this on the books is while it's generally assumed that discriminate against somebody because that person's an atheist, violates non-discrimination on the grounds religion. That could all go away. If Trump gets one more person on the supreme court. Threw up a little bit in my. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This wasn't a good good thing. So they're protecting against that. And more cities and states need to do that. Greed. Get on that beater. Because I'm sure our boys. See may or listens to this podcast. I hear he's been called in you know, from that. Anyway, someone has called him out a lot more sending that letter of recommendation or whatever for that priest for supporting the the priest. Yeah. Well. Can't win them. All. Overall. He's probably a pretty decent guy. I brought it back. Becker as a general rule in Idaho politics. It's a parent on Catholic priests. But no Catholic politicians here tend to be some of the less bad ones compared to the Mormon and Pentecostal ones, I guess so and if you get to. Autozone catholic. Otter catholic. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't. I don't know. He was in Assam horrible. What Potter was bad? But not terrible. Okay. Well, it depends on where you put the line. If you compare that to like pro-life, he's not even. Yeah. That's just not who's running against him. In the Republican primary has been far far far worse. Let's not go down this path. Okay. So the segue. The US supreme court rejected an appeal of a New Jersey supreme court ruling that the state historic building preservation funds can't be used for the maintenance of churches, synagogues temples, mosques or other religious buildings. Okay. So any historic religious buildings the funds can't be used for those. I think specifically if it is being used as a church synagogue or mosque or other religious building because the lawsuit was filed initially by. A coalition of religious organizations who wanted the state to pay for the funding of their old dilapidated building. Okay. See? So they were using it for something else. That would be a different story. Like, it was a museum, right or a historical park with. Here's what churches looked like in seventeen or am I immediately mcmenamin 's right? Yes minutes. Rembrandts and eagle. Yeah. Took an old church and turn it into a coffee house. I thought you said McDonald's it's like what if it was if it was turned into a bar or a coffee house. I don't think they'd have. There wouldn't be any issue with preserving a building that used to be a church, right? Yeah. I got aisle jumped up about that mood will from a historical society point of view, preservations, very important. It is like, well, they're not if they're currently using it as a church, I'm like, oh, yeah. Then the members definitely need a pony up. Yeah. Right. Isn't that the whole point of like paying special right in tries and racial rap? Right. Well, yes, that's the big one. Of course. But but I feel members are suppo-. That's like your tithing or something. I would just feel really bad if because the members weren't supporting it St. Michael's down town, Boise started to fall into disrepair because it's such a beautiful building historically valuable. There's a church in Hyde Park area that they think the preservation because it's not a church anymore. But the Brian nation committee is descended or somehow to at the point that your churches fallen out of disrepair, you either need to spend your congregation and merged with another one. Or raise the funds to build a new fucking building. Or just do some maintenance. Yeah. Get some sister act two Whoopi Goldberg. You go. It could be a fun movie montage there we go. Style. Montage one thing that is kind of funny is in England. There are atheists who are fine with the church of England being funded by the state because most of their historic buildings are churches and that allows for those buildings to be maintained. That's not necessarily the case here in the US. Now, not really at all. No, maybe east coast New England New England. There's actually decent amount of Negga from New England. What did you say? You're from New England. I lived there for like five years. Do you eat do you pronounce your ours? No, I don't even I don't even say ours. When I. Awesome. No that that's like a Boston thing. You might call Bah. Right. Yeah. You know? I know I was not Jesus as a joke. Was it though of okay? Good. What church? What is at my are. From New England church. Church. Wisconsin. Burlington vermont. I lived in there, and there are there. Yeah. I mean, I kind of got used to while I was living there and then now being back on the west coast. I definitely notice the difference. The buildings are super old and beautiful. The the way that they lay the bricks, and you can just see the progression of of our history through the ad here. Whatever. Yeah. Indian lit Lynch EA. Yeah. Have to argue about whether or not that's appropriate. Right. Yeah. Especially considering the fact it's not even historical. Yeah. Here's a sign of a field that had a massacre in it. That's a that's our thinks. Fun fact mass Kerak state park the mural in downtown Boise in it's what state owned building this being used by Ada County. I think. Talking about the lynching of the native American this in the supposedly took place in the eighteen hundreds. It was a Californian who designed and painted it. They praise. Appraised artists story ever happened. Is it looks like something that should happen in Idaho? Let's so where is this though? It's in the serious, not the capitol building is the building next to the capitol building the old admin administration building health and welfare now that they will not help them. Yeah. I think so. Well, the one who it is. Now the law school for you of I that's it with the LA live. That's it. Okay. And they've got it covered. Got it covered up now. Okay. Yeah. This is beautiful mural. With this weird lynching thing in my corner wreck that's working. Parks and rec mural. Yeah. Is the one in Boyce now way? Yes. That's what they base that off of. Wow. Actually. Not have actually based off of it. But. Is a little startling what? Iran was that. It was specifically based on the one in Boise. Well, let me get Amy thought it was ridiculous to actually have. That's awesome. Yeah. Nope. The Canadian government was recently found to have been funding homeopathy Pacific, a charity that is modeled after doctors with borders has been sending homeopaths to hun Durrance love this one doctors with border. This is my favorite. There's like. Difference between doctor with Dr. Doc. Check your documents. So they take the border, and they dilute it one drop in that of that. And then dilute that with another drop into a VAT, and then eventually, you have Doctors Without Borders. No never seen or heard and left so hard in the last four years. I've heard him laughing. He just thinks the concept of Doctors Without Borders. This is great. Don't wake up the baby. Hold it in take it. Doctors with. Here. If you're sticking it. I can help you all the rope. Okay. I haven't laughed to the point that my ribs hurt. And I'm light headed since I was a kid out of shape. I need to laugh more. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. So they found the media outrage through this. Yeah. So the outrage happened over two hundred thousand dollars Canadian spread out over five years that works out to about one hundred and fifty thousand American so we're talking really small amount of money. Yeah. But that's did actually help several homeopaths Goto Hundres to teach doctors and other people there how to do homeopathic treatments, and they helped try to treat showbiz disease, which is life threatening with homeopathy. I'm like, yeah. They're like here. This is peppermint oil. This is a diffuser listen to Merican it. I hope they sauce therapists. Well, I wonder wh- how convoluted this story is because I wonder if they were sending them as the souls support like only homeopathic or if that was like supplemental to some other aid that they we sending so that particular organization was just sending homeopaths that was his specific purpose was to send homeopaths to Honduras. Yeah. And but the Canadian government's program was just this lard. It's this large aid program to developing countries to send help this was just one program. They got some of that funding. They got a small amount. And the outrage was amazing and enough for the Canadian government to pull that funding and outraged about the outrage to be quite honest. I don't know. I mean, what did they take that funding? And then just put it into probably more probably putting another two hundred thousand dollars towards sending actual doctors and nurses. Maybe that. That. I mean, all we don't is. This is only a few days away. They haven't reallocated the funds, but those are fun if you promise people medical aid, and you send them homeopaths is kind of a big old. Fuck you to those people. Yeah. Whether they know it or not. You know, here's this quote, doctor from Canada who's going to cure all your ails with water. Magic water. What? If they wanted that they could just go to the local priests and get an extra schism New Zealand has had a blasphemous libel law that they inherited from the British empire that prohibited publishing anything that condemned Christ or Christianity. This has hasn't been enforced since nineteen twenty two and has as of last week been repealed being called chaotic which means this podcast is now legal in New Zealand. Now that we no longer have any listeners there. Hey, what had we we used to have some listeners there at one point like four or five years ago per capita. We were the most popular in New Zealand and those fifteen listeners are well. Maybe. They were like shit. We got found out. You can't listen to it anymore. They they were in Christ Church and got earthquake. Or we can go down that path earth money, so sad. Yeah. Put a New Zealand. I love I love listening to these things like, you know, Canada how they took that whole pretending that you're a witch off the. 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Pucker Up Popey #385

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Her simple dissipation, very can be combined with any other offer combo meal. Every money guys. Well, from rainy, drizzly, wet Salt Lake City. It's thank God. I made this the podcast. I'm Frank Feldman. I'm Dan Beecher and coming of to day down. We're gonna talk about. Tragedy and international tragedy the burning of a building. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna talk about Notre Dom. The cathedral. That was Paris is burning. That's all there is to it. Paris is burning. Yeah. Really, really? Well, they put it out by now. Shocking and sad and everything. So we do want to talk about that. Because obviously there are you know, they're of interest. I think for this show. Well, yeah, discussed so anyway coming up I though down. Yeah. There is a new pamphlet out. Oh that is available in Sweden. Oh, the land of pamphlets really for you just can't get away from. It's food into and pamphlets everywhere as far as the Atkins E, absolutely. And yeah. Sheep furniture as well and water lens of lots of water. That's. Yeah. Archipelagos and whatnot. Nice. Yeah. No. The the church of England church of England churches Sweden. Yes. Okay. Weird. If it was. Churches Sweden has or at least one of the diocese has. Issued this pamphlet. It is now available to Christian queer kids. Oh, it's a it's a guide on LGBT, Hugh. Topics in Christianity. Okay. So so generally speaking in the larger scheme win a Christian organization releases a pamphlet about LGBTQ brace for the worst. You should brace for the best. I was going to say this is Sweden. Two different animal talk to me. The. Yeah, this if you were, you know, maybe one of those. More run of the mill Merican Christian types. Yeah. You might be a little stunned by this. You might you might be shocked in fact to hear that the guide describes Jesus as queer wall and Joseph as transvestite. The stretch. I I actually take issue of Sweden. You don't wanna just make stuff up Khokhlov going the whole thing. I mean, what do they base that on? I'm not entirely sure to be honest. He liked his robes a little more flowing than the next man. So the guide says that the scripture is not actually against homosexuality doesn't really say any never mentioned by name. They say and and the win. It does talk when it is on the topic of homosexuality. What what it's actually talking about the stories that they're mentioning are actually about exploitation or rape. And. That's that's a stretch to me too. I mean, I've read the Leviticus where it says if a man lay with a man that doesn't sound like rape Manley with a man the way Manley's with woman or something along those lines. So maybe it is maybe old all sex with women was raped back in the day. Probably. And now, and they're just saying, hey, you can't you can't do that to a real person. Like a man. Yeah. Right. That's that's the problem. Yeah. The guide includes definitions for SIS person gender fluid non binary queer to sex norm rainbow flare fares rainbow fair is but it says that Jesus's mother Mary. Dared to break traditional sex norms in a patriarchal society by having sex with God. Yeah. I guess being a virgin. Other. That's that broke. I mean is it dairy hers will sex. I mean. Yeah. You know, she had a kid without involving a man should well that is that's pretty pretty queer. She's rejecting the patriarch. She is by doing that bright or just accepting the grandest of patriarchy Jesus described as someone who quote broke the norm calling him queer for the way, he lived his life. This is actually really I like this. They also point out that he did not defend the traditional family. Yeah. That is true. Yeah. He actually says to leave your your family. Follow him. Yeah. He does one hundred percent. He says that. You said some other stuff about men and wife and stuff. But the fact that we don't have any evidence of him having married. Exactly. And we we do have lots of evidence of him hanging out with a lot of man's who liked the main company all the time. Well, I bring this all up the was able to read at translated version of this whole story from Sweden. Learn Swedish to read. My name. My last name is not Buddha. Judge okay. That's anyway, you'll get that in a few months everyone. It's all over the place. But anyway, no. No. So I read translated Swedish article that was just on sort of a newspaper and took more of a neutral stance. The this was actually from a Christian website. Oh is where I found are they decrying? Oh my God. They absolutely hated say. No, this isn't just some radical. College course about the bible from the actual church of Sweden. Dear. They. And they say things like the guide goes onto contradict scripture. Guide also includes definitions for leftists sexual terms. So I was I was kind of skimming amazing not including that that aspect of it. But I did go back and verify this internet translated. Article to make sure that the details were were more or less. Correct. It is a lot of fun if you can find so this. Here's a fun game for you listeners at home. You can you can this is a home game the TGI home game. Oh, play along with us. Which is if you if you like any of the stories that we talk about see if you can find where Christian websites, Chris Christian news outlets are talking about the same stories. Yeah. Let's now they talk about it or watch. How they talk about it. That's fun. They're outrageous by everything they're always outrage. Yeah. It's like, they're neutral standard. Yes. It's just it's just where they live. I'm going to take us to the Vatican. I will have in in this show a tale of two popes. Kind. We'll we'll we'll see the contrast. It's a very interesting contrast one Vatican two popes. It's right. And boy do they eat the poop. Never seen video anyway. Here we go poke Francis. This time who has decided that he has figured out a unique way to create peace in the world. Okay. Here's what's funny. I'll get to that. I'll get to where my brain with this thing he met with no around this time of year every year, he usually like meets up with a bunch of like prisoners in washes their feet or whatever for holy Thursday, or whatever it's a thing that he does to sort of be Christ. Like Jesus washed the feet of the people, and then they washed his feet. It was a sign of humility or whatever there's a holy Thursday. Yeah. I guess. So I mean, why not is the pool they got holy every other day. Yeah. So this year instead of that he he actually met with the leaders both the official leader and opposition leaders of south Sudan now, south Sudan for those who don't know is a fairly recent country. It was only created a few years back and has been ever since engaged in. A one there. Independence from Sudan in twenty eleven car because the ins because most of south Sudan has one ethnic majority and most of Sudan is another and they were just at war all the time. So right broke up. Well, it turns out that there was enough like a split within south Sudan that they've basically been civil war in their own country as can be like southeast Sudan. Right. Exactly. Right. Yeah. Exactly. So so it's been like, you know, they broke out from Sudan in twenty eleven and twenty thirteen they they've been since twenty thirteen they've been in a really bloody war at least four hundred thousand people are dead. Jesus Christ from this thing, it's not a big country. Anyway. Very tentative. Peace process has has started. An it's like, it's not going great that you know, they signed an armistice. They have you know, a ceasefire. But people still keep dying people still they're missing deadlines and all this stuff. It's not going great. It's still holding on by thread. But. So the pope met with these guys and decided to kneel and kiss their feet the vit of both the rival leaders of south Sudan. Wow. Did they know? This was going to happen. I don't think so they knew that they were meeting with the pope my God. And he basically he note down, and he said he said, quote, I express my heartfelt hope the house still ladies will finally cease that the armistice will be respected that political and ethnic divisions will be surmounted and that there will be a lasting peace for the common. Good of all those citizens who dream of beginning to build the nation. No here. So my first response to this. When I read it was will that's going to make a difference. You know, you've got oh good. Some random white guy that neither of these political leaders actually cares about kiss their feet. Well, Donald totally changed the world. But then I realized what he's dealing with is just two guys. Yeah. Just a couple of emotional human beings. And you never know like literally that gesture could be baffling enough to like make a difference. I don't know. I literally have no idea like how this whether this is a worthless stupid thing for the pope to do it can't hurt. Like, what is he like their attention? I mean. Yeah. Sort of way that I could somebody else's been able to get there. I don't know. I don't know one of the one of the vice presidents of south Sudan. Whose name is Rebecca NIA, ding Garang said I've never seen anything like that tears were flowing down my eyes. She's she's she was a very very moved by the whole thing. I bet it was moving a bit. It was shocking. I bet it was caught people off guard. Yeah. Pope francis. I mean, so I. I like the idea of like a world leader someone who is a very important person in the world. Yeah. Literally, just humbling them himself and just saying look, you're the piece is more important than any of us. Right. It's more important than my dignity, right or whatever. What's the most important? He gets off on this show. Of course, he does. But he's but he's doing he's doing something for two. He's making a show. He's making a point. Right. And you know, he's using it at least for. A good idea. He's in south Sudan would be great. I mean, Sudan just had just over through their government. Seriously. I mean at this point I'd like to find somebody in the entire Italian peninsula whose feet he hasn't washed or kissed her on something. This is an African. Totally different. He's moved out from Italy. Jerk. All right. No. I'm just imagining some tourist walking around the Vatican City looking down at their feet going you I shouldn't have worn sandals. Hey is the pope available at the dirty dirty? I need them. Yeah. Pucker up. Popey. The title of this week's episode pucker up popey. I can I can make that how. Okay. Dan. A few how long ago how long ago did we talk about? The in India's Supreme Court lifting the ban on the entry of women have been shrill age at that Hindu temple. That was what a couple months ago a few months ago, six months months ago, something like, okay? Maybe that happened. I don't have a concept of time. Yeah. That's close enough fair enough. Anyway. So that happened and that kind of opened up a little bit of an issue. Yeah. Did obviously there were conservative Hindus who did not like that at all people were not happy with it. But there were maybe some more moderate or liberal Muslims who were watching the whole thing. Like, what's her name? Yes mean peers Zeta nailed it and her husband Zuber peers, Ed. They are they're suing. Oh, they have a they have a petition. I guess if not I don't know these legal terms, but they they're petitioning. The India supreme court to decide on the issue about women being allowed to worship inside mosques alongside men and because there there's this practice in Islam the women, and there are a lot of mosques in India. Yeah. That don't allow women at all, right? And then a lot of there's some of them that will have a partition area or some sections somewhere where they're able to go. My understanding is a mix all mosques are non mixed. Women pray in a mosque. Yeah. They pray in a different part of the mosque than the men. Yes. I think that they at least have men over here. Women over there. Yes. I think that's probably the most mixed that it gets. I don't know that to be true. But. Definitely there are mosques where it's more partitioned. When I visited the mosque here in Salt Lake. It was actually sort of a balcony area. The ladies were on that the ladies are up on. Okay to go upstairs. And there were like video cameras that had a feed of the imam. Oh that so that they could watch him on on a feed rather than. Yeah. So these guys are suing to allow women to allow women to be mixed in. Oh, and. Because and this this is where it gets really interesting. Their petition says like men women also have the constitutional right to offer wish worship, according to their belief. Right. There should be any gender discrimination. And we should allow women to pray in all Mosk. Wow. That's you know, the Indians. The Indian Supreme Court has been has shown themselves of late to be quite willing. Yeah. To dip their fingers into what's happening in the religion. Well, it must be some that's gonna make sure they must love riots. We just don't. Because they're going to get them. If they go through with that, they're going to get themselves some more riots, they are going to Islam is not one to take things sitting down. But here's the thing. Like in India like in Hinduism, the government owns the temples, right or like, at least there's no there's no organization that owns the temples that can sort of make the rules. Right. I don't know that that's true for the mosques, except there are some historic mosques that I'll bet the government doesn't. I waited to one idea. I went to one in Delhi, which I can't imagine is owned by and take paid for by anybody. But India because it's such a it's like a national landmark, right? I have no idea. Yeah. I don't know what I am really interested in here is this this willingness on sort of the highest levels of government to make decisions about how people practice faith in their nation. Yeah. I there's something about that. Interesting as long as they're laws also allow space for me. Right, right. I'm kinda kinda like the idea of because what it saying is the. The the state is more important, and the people are more important than these religions, right? And we tend to in this country. How this opinion that the that the religions are more important, right? And I think it's probably a much healthier view to be honest to have a power. Yeah. Secular Astiz ably secular power that it has more that is more important system. Than now. That's obviously something's got to be careful. Right. Right. But at the same time, there's something to me the atheist that is kind of appealing about that as long as I know that I'm protected to it just feels dangerous to me, it just feels like like, you know, it's I know I mean, so so there is a line to walk and it's fascinating to watch different countries. Walk the line differently. Yeah. All right. I'm going back to the Vatican for pope pope story, number two. Okay. This time Pope Benedict. Oh, pope emeritus. He's still alive still alive. We still have two popes. It is a it is a to problem. And that's the thing is that like he didn't stop being pope. I know he just retired from like pope lead duties, and nobody really knows what it means. Like he promised. He would just step out of the next pope's way and not not be a burden and not be bothered. Anybody? Right. And he has he's been basically silent for the bulk of the time since he stepped out enjoying those those products slippers. Yes. Indeed. Now, he has spoken up. And and oh what he's what he wrote was immediately criticized as this is the I don't know who they were quoting, but they put it in quotes, catastrophically irresponsible. Ono? What did he say? Okay. So he decided that he needed to talk about the. Priest sex-abuse crisis because he knows why it has happened. He has a really good sense of why. Why there have been all these problems brace yourself? Basically what happened was that the sixties occurred? Oh, those damn sixty sexual revolution happened. The sex started showing up in the in the movies. Damn baby boomers, and and suddenly all of the seminaries were were thrown into the had homosexual clicks in the cemeteries or cemeteries seminaries, which of course, never happened before. No, no before the sixties, everything was on the up and up medevac. None of the priests that were deigned before the sixties ever did any of the pedophile Ling. Right. Don't worry, which is obviously not true. My god. But yes, it was the homosexual clicks, which acted more or less openly and significantly changed the climate. He said. I feel like he really tips. His hand though. A little later in the paper when he says this. Perhaps it is worth mentioning that. In notice you Simone, Aries students caught reading my books were considered unsuitable for the priesthood. My books were hidden away like bad literature only read under the desk. Oh, which a poor little Razzi, surely isn't true. And be he's like makes the whole thing. Just sour grapes. Poor ratzinger. They're not doing my kind of pre sting. That's why if they would just if they would just go hard right on everything. Nice Germanic hard, right? Yeah. On everything we would all be better off in no, priests whatever rape kit again. There's so much so catastrophically responsible. I was -scribed. That is exactly how. Well, you know, what he had his chance the chance to he could've. I'll tell you all the reform he wanted and he could've made everybody read as much of his books as he wanted. Right, right. Yeah. It's true. Here's the thing. He did work hard. Well, he worked here's what he did. He put in a lot of effort to stop priest Millette molestation. But his his whole effort was just different the priest who did it. So he defraud a whole lot of priests. He basically fired a whole bunch of priests. Right. Does that mean he did anything systemically? No. He didn't. He didn't look at it. As a systemic problem at all looked at it as an individual problem, right? But now he's looked at it as a system problem. And this is the problem is they're just not reading his books enough. Also, there are some sexy movies out. So it's. It's so hard to be to be him. Or pork has so many ideas, and he just any promised to keep his mouth shut. He just couldn't he couldn't couldn't will when his ideas. Are that good? We knows. So well, he's got he's got his finger on the pulse. His bony disgusting feeing finger. Actually, he's the fleshier of the two is he? Yeah. He's still looks like the emperor from from Star Wars. He's a creepy looking dude. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Dan students at Taylor university. Are you familiar with Taylor university? I don't know it. It's a small evangelical Christian school in Indiana. Glad I don't know it. Yeah. The bout three thousand students. Okay at any given time. Sure. They just outside of Indianapolis. Okay. Now, you have a picture God. Right. They west the heartland. Yeah. They somehow we're able to get. Vice president Pence, oh to agree to come and do their commencement speech and Indiana native himself. Yeah. Right. Andy and Christian and outspokenly. Christian was perfect. Seems exactly what goes university would want. Yep. So far, and so on well, they've gathered remember three thousand students. Yeah. Thirty seven hundred signatures. Okay. Asking Taylor university to resend Pence's invitation why saying inviting vice president Pence to Taylor university giving him a coveted platform for his political views makes our alumni faculty staff and current students complicit in the Trump Pence administration's policies, which we believe or not consistent with the Christian ethic of love we hold. Dear. Wow. And of course, Christian Pence, rather has, you know, he's like you say he's clearly on record about his Christian values. Yes. In june. Christian values which include. Never aborting a baby. Right. And this is what Jesus talked about, right? Locking up immigrants. Yes. And and hating on gays. That's what Jesus was all about those three things. Right. Are the only things Jesus cared about. Absolutely. So what are they complaining about their Christian to perfect? Well, they're saying that's not that's not. I mean, they're not saying specifically those are the things that they're not about. But they know that that especially this current administration. Inc. Really really embrace Christian values. Very well. Good. Even though the Christian right's seems to fucking love them. Here's some even jello Kohl's in large numbers, you know, at least a large percentage of their community saying. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see was there. Anything else in here? Well, I mean, this does, you know, Pence did give the commencement speech. Two hundred seventeen at Notre Dame. Do you remember this? I don't really remember this bunch of students walked out during this. Yeah. I remember that. Sure. Good on them. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. I feel like there's a crisis in this country. Criticisms don't even know what they believe. Although I recently read an article that just said that religions in this country are moving have all basically moved further, right? On the political. There's another crisis, Dan, which is that universities are having a hard time booking. Speakers having people get onto change dot org. Right. File a potato to. No, I don't like that person. Right. Yeah. Everybody feels like they have a right to their person speaking, do, you know, who spoke at my fucking commencement know who did it was George W Bush era. Yeah. And it was his secretary of defense. Oh, not no not defense. It was good. It was it was a get. Cabinet member. He was a cabinet member. Okay. And I remember just being mortified. Win I listened. And he said nice thing. Yeah. That's what they do. You know, they they tenderly they generally tend to just say some nice things. They don't politicize it. They don't get their jabs in right because that would be a dick thing to do. Right. They talk about the world. And what you know. And and you guys are the light and the hope of our country, and we hope that you do while lovable. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's all about. All right. Well, I'm going to take us to Missouri. The spine state of Missouri where a Bill has just passed their house, and then goes and now goes onto their Senate. You won't you probably won't be surprised to learn that both the house and Senate of Missouri are dominated by Republicans. Yes. I said you won't be surprised. And so this is a Bill that apparently takes aim directly at. Atheists in Missouri. Because all it does is changed the law. So that eightieths if they want to if they want to bring a church state separation lawsuit have to if they're adults they have to use their real names. Now, this is an issue because normally in state a judge can determine whether or not a plaintiff can use a pseudonym right because their life or their or their safety. Right. Could be in jeopardy. Right. And let me tell you something does because they got the name Christian doesn't mean that they will not attack your house attack, your family and attack you if they think you're trying to attack Christianity. I will I will defend my Lord by blowing up your house because you don't like this cross on on state property or whatever. And it's just one of those things where it's like a known fact that people get harassed they get they get attacked if they bring one of these lawsuits. Well, this Missouri state rep hardy Billington sounds fake. Has has has introduced this Bill passed the house, it will change the the law? So that. At least kids won't. But if it's an adult plaintive, they must use their real name. Just just so I mean, there's you know him on his site points out. There's no benefit to the public. For this of this law. This doesn't help anybody. Well, no, no, no. It does help me. It helps me know whose house burning down, right? Yeah. Exactly. Right. It's just a dachshund law. Yeah. It's just a law for for docking. Yeah. People that they don't like absolutely to encourage the worst of the Christians to do what they do. Yeah. You need to be scary. So that these people are intimidated, and they won't bring the lawsuit. And we keep our thing on public property. Right. That's that is the train of thought that is exactly it. Let's intimidate them out of doing the complaining that annoys us. Yeah. Shut up. Stop complaining. We were here first. Yeah. Fucking mouth Christian country and a Christian state, right? And we're gonna prove it to you because we're gonna act like a bunch of Christian, right? We're gonna we're gonna pass this law as as Jesus said in the sermon on the mount blessed be the bullies. For there's she'll be the public spaces. Yeah. 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No, the no longer firefighting profit and that profit of the internet. Global conspirists and and profit profiteer of profiting indeed. Yeah. He's got something to say about abortion. Is he he knows what's coming. You guys. This is part of what being a prophet is. All about is that you know, what's coming. You. Don't just know what's now. No, you know, what's going to be happening soon. And he knows he talks to God. And God talks to him. Yeah. Yeah. Two way streets to. Yeah. Exactly. Anybody can just talk to God, I talked to God all the time. Do you? I mean. No, no. You don't. Liar. When you're talking about control. And the abortion issue that go hand in hand. It's also the population control. This is about controlling the population. Because on the Georgia guy stones they only want five hundred million people on the planet, and it's all written right there on the door to guide stones my friend, Sheila home is the one that exposes a lot of stuff. Georgia guide stones in Chris McDonald, exit physically went there. She was been her numerous times shows on stories on it written it in her books. Plenty of times all that information in her books. So I mean, but when you look at the population control, and I'll tell you, well is probably gonna expose the exposed and releasing here for the first time. I haven't even said this publicly. I don't believe is that look for these guys the extreme left, the extreme globalist that when a woman gets pregnant there will be to take the woman and the child. Wow. You're you're actually getting I hate to use this phrase, but I just got a call it like you see it taking two birds one shot almost because when they look for that somewhere in the world of these leads go, you know, what when you get pregnant at this point. We're gonna take the mother and the child he is a smart smart, man. He gets it. Yeah. He really gets it in the writing on the wall other people don't get it. Like, he gets it. Yeah. It's so funny because so okay, this clip sent me on a or down a rabbit hole over really well. I've never heard of Georgia guide stones. I had no idea. What the fuck you was on about. And let me tell you something. These. It's so weird the crossover between. Are conspiracy theorists and Christianity, and they're all tied in the flat earth movement is all tied into Christianity, then and they all tied than it. Doesn't matter. What the conspiracy is if you're a nine eleven truth, or somehow, you then also become a flatter Thor's and you'll become and it's all because of Jesus somehow, but it's also because of the alumina D, And it's all it's all interwoven, right? These Georgia guides zones, though are pretty interesting. They're just out in a field in Georgia. Okay. And the United States of Georgia not the country of Georgia. And they are these giant like twenty foot tall stone like like, granite rock. It's a very large thing. That's the apparently the story is that some guy. Calling himself Robert C Christian which which is obviously a beautiful name pseudonym. Approached a granite finishing company. And was like, hey, I want to build this giant thing. And they were like they thought he was just a nut. So they quoted him some outrageous some and he was just like great. Let's start on Tuesday. He like was fine with it. And okay and claimed apparently that it was that he represented a group of quote, loyal Americans. And they and they commissioned this whole big thing. And it's four giant tablets of stone. Standing tall with one with a pillar in the middle and capstone on top and you can see through them. And apparently they line up with like. The sort of the with astronomic features a channel that indicates the celestial pole and slots that indicate the annual travel of the sun and all of these things that lineup the east. He just didn't want something simple some statement sting. This thing has like cosmic significance. Exactly. The sun will beam that comes through the capstone apparently marks noontime throughout the year. In believe they had to line it all up and get the Ingles. Right and everything they had to pull out a Sextant probably. Yeah. Ended a yard arm. No. I don't know. I don't know who I don't know. But it does have this list in multiple languages of ten. Guidelines, guideposts, whatever. There's like one language on there that nobody knows what it is. No there should be. There should be. It's English Spanish swat Healy, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic traditional Chinese and Russian. Wow. Oh, why Spanish I dunno? They should've put us Barranco. Yeah. Good anyway, or Latin. I dunno Klingon. They should have done it in cling on they'll threat. Anyway, it's apparently so the guide the guidelines. These these rules are do start with maintain humanity under five hundred million in perpetual, balance with nature. Now how they decided that that is the correct number to be in balance with nature. Yeah. I don't know. That's really weird. I do think that our population's getting a little on the scary sight. I think that we're doubling our population at an alarming rate. Now every few years good at fucking. We are. We also demand a lot of resources for each of us so pissed posh pysche pot. I mean, I'm down with like, we're clever clever little monkeys reducing population growth. But yeah, I don't know how they came up, and they don't list why it's five hundred million. They just say that the right number one. How would you ever sustain the economy economy would? That line so much. House to be growth, otherwise everything collapses. Okay. Why because. Yeah. Dan because it does just does asshole. Someone's gonna write in very very depth X. Yes. That's fine. And then there's second thing is guide reproduction wisely. Impr- improving, fitness and diversity eugenics. It's eugenics. I mean are these strict eugenics, but like? Yeah. You could easily line that up with eugenics, and nobody would nobody would know the difference. Right. And this was nineteen seventy nine or eighty that this was erected. What's been there for a while? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. Anyway. Okay. And then there's a whole bunch of there's a bunch that. I really like. Guideline number four is rule. Passion, faith tradition and all things with tempered reason. I like that one. This. There's some goofball ones unite humanity with a living new language. Oh, I have seen so many ding bets decide that a lie that a new language is what will bring peace to the world. It's not you're not going to unite humanity with a language. No, first of all as the second. You decide you come up with a new language. It starts splintering into dialect into different ways that different people speak it. There was a brilliant. Was that this American life was a radio lab? One of those about a guy dude who came up with like a written language that would that could be universal. That's not tied into language, but is just pictorial in. It's I mean, it's not just pictures. But it's something that we could all learn fairly easily. And then communicate with each other because it's not tied to words. Right. That to me is brilliant. That was not his idea though. His idea was that everyone has to learn it exactly as he wrote it, and then it will like 'cause peace on earth or whatever. No. You're not gonna cause peace you dip shit. But you came up with a decent idea. Like to me, a written language that we can use to communicate with anybody else, regardless of what their spoken languages. That's genius. Right. That would be great teach that in every school in the world. And and we're okay, we we've got something to go on right know, anyway. Wow. I've really got you going down. I do wish that they would do that. That's a great idea. But people coming up with the guy to invent the people who invented us Peron. Oh, yeah. They thought it would bring about world peace or whatever. It just. Yeah. You're hippie fucking mouth. You're not gonna create world peace because we all are linguistically aligned. Yeah. And my main my main beef with whatever language ended up being is the American South would figure out how to make it sound stupid. I speak as per round. Peggy hill and her Spanish did you ever? Joe blow Espino? Oh my God. Here's here's the thing. If you're if you're a small group of of loyal Americans, and you decide you want to come up with ten guidelines to guide humanity into glory into reason and into perfection into a more perfected humanity, right? I think some of these are good some of them are so dopey though, it's just like that. Did they have a meeting and like one person was just like insisting that that was what was going to do it? And everybody else was just like, okay. Well, we'll leave that one in. Maybe we'll get it out later. I don't know. And it made it onto the. Onto onto the rocks. Head space for ten let it be one of the ten. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean. Yeah. When it says things like balance, personal rights with social duties. Okay. Does it need to be written? Maybe I don't know. But it's a good one like believe in that. I guess they don't give any guidelines as to how that's chief or accomplished. But okay. Let let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. The fucker you want about why are you delving into world politics? I Dan I gotta say I I get the conspiracy theorists on this one. Right. Like, I totally do like what the fuck is. This thing. Exactly, it feels like maybe some space aliens came down. And they were like once you figure this out, then we will show ourselves to right exactly without ever saying that, you know. Yeah. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. Well, doughy. I'm telling you, did you come up with that one all by yourself there, bingo because that is relatively obvious concept. Oh my God. So anyway, the conspiracy theories run fast and furious, whatever your favorite one is that's going to go. Yeah. Give you lots of you know. And now, and now it's like, you know, and because it has remained anonymous no one has ever claimed credit for this thing. That's mazing. They run they the conspiracy theorists. Love it. It's the new world order. It's the lizard people because the guy's name was was Robert C Christian then they're like RC Christian. That sounds like Rosa crucial. Anything anything can be a. A little peephole into the the the world of of conspiracy theory. Yeah. So yeah. Ten I wish they'd picked a different number. I know right. Do eleven eleven have been amazed really mess with everybody that would have up some people. The human obsession with ten and it's all based it's just because we got like how many fingers you got this many. Let's do one for each of my face everything. Anyway, we need to think somebody's. Yes. We do. We have our pantheon, Dan. Yeah. Are loads and savior's our top donors. These are people who went to our website. Thank God, I meets dot com and clicked on the support. And we need this specifically chose to go to patriotic. Yeah. Where they then signed up for a level of support. Then all seven these people are tied for first place. Yes. And so I need to we need to thank all of them jazz. Scott Melissa de Hannah, Liz and Judy. So thank you to all of you. And thank you to all of our support blessed? Be they they are. They are large and savers now I will point out. Yeah. The positions taken. Any one of these people can just or someone else jump in? And they know the amount. Sure all they have to do is like slightly raise. It can go in. I don't know can other Lord and savior's zap them doing. So anyway. Our show doesn't run unless we have donors. And so we get guys so much for all of your help. And and peace be with you. Amen. No an ad from dad. All right. Save money on car insurance when you bundle home and auto with progressive. Gotta take these right? What is this? Wow. Where did you get this? I'm talking to you with the hair. Yeah. Where did you get this? Good stuff. Solid. That's not the near that solid stuff. Progressive can't say from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates in other insurance discounts not available in all states or situations. Dan. Yeah. I was minding my own business yesterday sitting on my couch and having to look up the address where I needed to send my tax check of opened up my phone opened up the googles. Yeah. And right. Top was a story about Notre Notre Dom. Yeah. Not Notre Dame. Not Notre Dame. Don't you Dom in Paris? And that's what my the whole rest of my day was essentially about it was it was shot. It shocked the hill out of it was really it was it was really quite a quite a gut punch to see that stunning architecture. Yeah. Ablaze? Yeah. I know. You know, it's one of those things, and what's funny is I commented to a friend of mine as as we were discussing about it. And I said, I'm guessing that there are some atheists out there. There's somebody who saying well one less church who God, I hope not. You know, there is there probably are, you know, there are badly. Yeah. But, but but for those of us who appreciate architecture and history, and and end and art. Yeah. It was it was quite horrifying see that spire come down to see the video of the blaze. It's it was quite a thing. But there are some mixed feelings. You know what I mean like this? This is an edifice that is dedicated to grand lies. Yeah. That are that are painful and hurtful lies foundational lies of the west. Yeah. I mean, really it sounds like a book the foundation allies of the west. It's actually should be a book. That's that sounds like a really interesting. Historical. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I know down like, it's. But I squared this circle longtime ago. Sure because I. Absolutely. Love. Traveling throughout you know. Cure up for me too. Big part of that is stepping into the local cathedral. Oh, yeah. It's not an an important cathedral. Sure. It still it gives you a glimpse into that community. And. And. Yeah, okay. The artwork is generally. All it's all on the same theme to say, the least. Yeah. But but but it runs the gamut. Yeah. It can it can be stunning artwork. Yeah. It can be that dopey like Jesus that that lady repainted in Spain. It could be it could be anything. Yeah. But nonetheless, these these grand old cathedrals they were built to inspire. They were built to lift the senses. Yeah. Right. And they do they do they figured something out with those damned flying buttresses giant Saint glass windows that on on a sunny day, if you're walking through one of those cathedrals when the light is hitting right? It's it takes your breath away almost literally. Well, and they, and they you know, they go after all your senses there are smells different. And they're, you know, they're sounds that are different. And it's and it feel you know, it's a great, you know. They do a really good job of creating a space that can be meditative that can be a reflective and and. We don't, you know, we don't have many institutions in in a modern sort of secular cons context that give us that know give gives the gives a place to to duck into and look at some, you know, something that inspires some all and and take a moment to reflect. Yeah, I know. Yeah. It's and so yeah, it was it was it was really shocking and sad. And of course, when when I was when I started watching, and I tuned to the major news networks, sure. In order to to get the live the life feed, essentially, but it was it was sort of clear at that moment. Even though it turned out to be wrong. But it was there was a moment when it felt like the thing the whole cathedral was a total loss, right? Like the flames were so large. So like, I mean, they were they were high and reaching high and all along the length of the building yet, totally. And and it was like this thing is gone. It's yeah. Exactly this edifice, and they're whatever they would rebuild would be. You know, just affects simile, essentially. Yeah. If it were if it actually collapsed would they even bother why would they bother to rebuild it? I think they would though do they were built something there. It would build something. I don't think they would rebuild that building. Though. I don't know. I think who the obsession with with. I think they probably would have. I mean, that's an interesting thing him like bees in the process of now. Rebuilding. What what they have to rebuild right? Which is the the roof and the the steeple, and obviously all the stuff that inside that burned up and all the stained glass windows, and all of that. But will they build the stuff that is being replaced ornamental stuff? Are they gonna build it? Exactly the same because it almost feels like there's. You would be trying to skip over the event in the life of the building. Right. The happened in two thousand eighteen when when there was a massive fire that threatened the cathedral will they build the spire on top to be exactly the same. Or will? They decide. Let's let's have a contest, right? Let's find a way to let's on or the we'll have some stuff inside the building pictures, and you know. Some sort of interpretive something rather the honors. What was there? But do we do it exactly the same like or do we leave our Mark? Do we leave the twenty for centuries Mark on this eight hundred and fifty year old building? Right, right. I mean who knows what they'll do does. No. I remember. So I I saw the building as a child as I was my parents took me I was in. I want to say fourth grade. Oh, boy, how my parents took us me. And my sister to to Europe, and we they didn't take into Notre Dom because we were little and I think at that point. It was like the toward the end of our trip and fed up with buildings that we didn't give a fuck about as children, and you've proven that you were willing to throw that tantrum. Yes. Indeed. And also, we were we were apparently enamored of some old lady who was feeding birds outside of it. Oh, we were just out there. Feeding birds. I do remember my mom pointing in a direction toward the Darrell on saying, do you see the flying buttresses look at the flying buttresses and me being utterly confused because I'm looking all around the cathedral for something flying. Right. Right. Maybe witches or birds. I didn't to buttress. I don't nothing about a buttress. And and so she I never did clue into what she was talking about interesting. Okay. That's the. First time you encountered the building. But the most recent time I encountered the building last time. I went was a few years back, and yeah, there's just. It is this enormous gorgeous like the height of it. When you walk in the magic that the grandeur of it like, you don't even get that sense from the outside you in and you see you feel the grandeur of this place. And it's stunning I know, and it's dark and brooding in this gothic cathedral in stark contrast to for instance. Saint. Saint Paul's cathedral in London, which is so bright and airy equally grand in scale. But so, but such a different experience. To to to Notre Dom. What is your experience going in there? Well, let's see I. I was I was in college a little while ago. I remember the I remember the windows. I remember being struck by by the windows and. I can't remember if it was a sunny day or whatnot. But I do remember they were beautiful. We went in. And did the whole little walk around thing. And I don't have any like clear specific memories other than just that giant the rose window right at the entrance or above the entrance. I do remember it from the outside in like, it was the first place. I went under checking into the hostile, okay? Because meeting up with friends who already traveling, and it was I serve arrived and check into the hostile. And I still had a couple of hours. And I was like, well, I'm going to Notre Dom sure the subway metro coming self over there and wandered around. And kind of did my first little pass and taken of the whole thing. And how old were you? Was in my twenties. So so fairly newly atheist at this point. Yeah. Yeah. Which is an interesting time to to sort of check out a church. I don't know. I've never had any problem with that kind of stuff. I don't think it's a problem. But it is interesting. It's interesting. I mean, you were never Catholic. So it wasn't a church that would've meets historic site. Right. That's what I love about him. I love the architecture. And I love the sort of the lofty goals that the architects of these buildings had designers over generations. I mean, you can't say one architect really through and. I mean, the building started the very base of the building is the start of a romanesque cathedral. Right. And then they started developing these ideas as the decades passed, and then they built the first grand gothic, you know. April. And sort of set the new trend, but anyway, but I remember, you know, sort of I first sight seeing it as I walk into that that area, and then there's like a little plaza area. Yeah front, and then I, and then we we must have I must have seen it every single day that we were there didn't heiress because I remember we did like a little night stroll, and I remember to sort of also then again, just kind of passing by and in an evening and just being. Oh, there it is. Yep. You know? And so it was like. Yeah. Which is funny because it's on an island in the sense. So it's not like, it's you don't you don't really feel that because there's several roads that lead at island, but it, but it's it's funny that that you casually just sort of passed by it, but it's so central do it so much a part of the city if you just walking along the left Bank. Yeah. You're you're gonna walk by it there. It is. You know, it is interesting as an atheist, you know, I talked earlier in the show about having gone to a mosque in India, and I've gone to Hindu temples, and I've gone to I. I I've been a lot of different places of worship around the world. And none of them stuck weird rights. You know, you'd think at some some of them sooner or later, it's going to get to me at some point that hard hard of yours. I went to you know, I've been to a zen Buddhists ceremony and stuff of goodness stick. None of it stuck. It's so weird anyway. But it is I you know, you and I've talked about this before. But I really do think that it speaks to an interesting need in humanity. And I do wish you know, when I'm when I'm a secular billionaire, maybe I'll maybe build some some secular places of of of reflection, and and whatever. The people can just sort of donate to just for the upkeep and going, you know, light a candle or some incense or something, but it'd have to be a new language of inspiration. Yeah. But draw but I would want it to draw on all of these other things. Yeah. Three go wrong. No, no, no. You gotta give you gotta give people a bridge. Got it can be beautiful architecture. I'm fine with that. Yeah. That's that's what I'm saying. 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[Coronavirus]  Lets (Not) Return to Normal

Reports from the Spiritual Frontier

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[Coronavirus] Lets (Not) Return to Normal

"Welcome to reports from the spiritual frontier our episode today is a recording of Zoom seminar sponsored by the BTF Center. Where I was a featured guest along with Dr Elizabeth Parsons the title of the seminar was. Let's not return to. Normal and follows is a rich about our lung discussion about the Big Issues. That have come up through this pandemic what? It's revealed us what's unveiled about who we are as a society how our faith communities are operating and what it might mean to create a better more just new normal going into the future. I think pandemic has also highlighted us the importance of all the creatives in our midst. The artists the writers the musicians and yes the podcasters. So I want to invite you if you haven't done so already if you'd like to continue to support the work we're doing here reports now. It'd be a wonderful time to do it. You can find a link to our Patriot and campaign where slow monthly amount will give you a shout on the podcast and give you access to exclusive content by clicking on the show notes or by going to Patriot Dot Com backslash reports. That's Patriot Dot Com backslash reports. Thank you so much and enjoy our conversation. We're going to get started and I want to welcome you to this. Doom meet up called. Let's not returned to normal. My name is Allan Ewing Maryland. I serve as the executive director of the BT 's center. I'm convening this gathering today from Portland Maine from a guest bedroom slash office in my home right and so that you're here with us today the bt S. centers the Michigan successor to the former Bangor theological seminary which traces its roots back to eighteen fourteen. Today our mission is to catalyze spiritual imagination with enduring wisdom for transformative faith leadership catalyzed spiritual imagination with enduring wisdom for transformative faced leadership. We've been convening a number of these meet ups over the past several weeks. I usually inviting guests from beyond our organization to join us in exploring different aspects of spiritual leader leadership during this Kobe. Nineteen crisis but what's unique about? Today's meet up. Is that all of us. Those who are serving behind the scenes and our two guests are are connected with the BT as center and now a welcome finally to our two guests. Dr Elizabeth Parsons and Ben. Yasha Davis tw first. Let's say hello. Dr Liz Parsons. Liz Is Episcopal Cathedral in Portland Maine. I having been raised in formed in a conservative evangelical. Home she comes from a long line of Christian educators the sixth generation in her case and she and her husband. Lan who is with US Today. Uh spent several years as Anglican. Missioner's does Imbaba and Zambia spectacle here In sites from that experience today has a masters of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School and a doctorate in theology and development from KwaZulu Natale in South Africa in more recent years. She has taught courses at Boston University School of Theology and today we are fortunate that she serves as a member of the BT as centers board of trustees. So welcome Liz so glad that you're here today and hello also to Ben. Yasha Davis Ben Pipe cast called reports from the spiritual frontier which chronicles the day today lives of those who are innovate being new forms of spiritual community on the spiritual margins of our country. Today Ben and his wife Melissa live on Shebeen Island in Maine. Where Melissa is pastor of the island church the only one a previously Ben Melissa lived in Haeberle Massachusetts where they co planted a new faith community called the vine one of the earliest mainline mission church expressions in the country gathering people together in homes and coffee shops hosting block parties and working as a community partner to make their city a better place to live. Ben Is also worship leader for the two year academy for spiritual formation which is a two two year formation process. In the foundations of Christian spirituality. So hey ban pitcher here today to begin with Liz and Ben I just want to invite you to share a couple of things you would want the folks who are gathered here today to know about you including maybe something about where your head and heart are right now and I'm GonNa back. Invite Liz to go first. So Liz urine muted now. Let's take a moment to share a couple of things. Thank you Allan. It's really lovely to be here An honor to be with everybody About twenty years ago I realized that Western societies in the US in particular were living beyond our means And about ten years ago I started reading about this phenomenon of overshoot using up more resources than the Earth could replenish and also this house of cards. That is our global economy. That's kept this situation. Basically invisible to most Americans and out of all that studying arose one of the courses that I did. It'd be you scroll theology on personal and communisist real resilience and also started doing some household urgency preparedness of anticipating. Some sort of disruption. But I have to say that I didn't anticipate this would be that sort of disruption so where my head is right now is where it's been for a while that The normal in let's get back to normal has not been normal for quite a while all and as whereas my as far as my heart There's some grieving for all the suffering of the innocence. Not only vulnerable populations non whites people in prisons and people in nursing homes but animals as well in our industrial farming if you will complex and what's happening there. But also there's some delight at the pause in fossil fuel emissions that's happened and the Beautiful skies over Delhi and India so There's a possibility there as well. Thank you lose. And how about you been? Hello I find that that I'm experiencing this pandemic on a couple levels. The first is the parent of two young children. I wipe pointed out to me in the middle of this week. We've been at under a stay at home order for fifty days and I thought my goodness no. It's the art for forty. What is this ridiculousness frequently at every level that escalating between profound fear and de Pope and gratitude and that starts with my family the despair I Mitt? I felt just a little bit last week. When Governor Janet Mills here in Maine extended her stay at home. Order for all of 'em ticket. Oh my goodness four more weeks in in this house nonstop and at the same time. The beautiful gift is to spend so much time with my children and to be outside and like this this morning. We were preparing our garden beds. And there's a wonderful exercise of hope there. I find the same thing is true for me as I think about the church and what an inflection point this is for communities of communities of faith indeed for all faith traditions right now as they're forced to lean into innovation and it makes me so excited to see what some of my former colleagues are are doing and they're wonderful creative compassionate responses to what's going on right now and also the very real fear of knowing the impact this has many communities that have been around for very long time but McAfee for much longer likewise I find myself in fear and hope as I think about us as a human society. This feels to me like an inflection. Point reminds me a lot of what I was in college. And I remember watching side my The dining hall as the towers came down at nine eleven and how it felt like we had hit an inflection point as a country where we can make some decisions about who you are going to be and sometimes those decisions go well and sometimes they don't and I find myself hoping that we've broken up we've broken up a lot of old habits and we've opened up enough space for something new to emerge but also deeply concerned about the powerful poll of the old normal and the very good and also the very difficult that come out of this pandemic experience. Thank you. Ben Is so great to be with both today. I'm as a preface to my first question. I wanted to share a few words from this piece that maybe some of you have seen. It's been floating around media and else where this is a kind of by auto name a Giulio Vincent. I think it says part of my screen yes Prepare for the ultimate gas lighting. The name of the Peace and this author writes pretty soon as the country begins to figure out how we open back up and move forward very powerful forces will try to convince us all to get back to normal. That never happened. What are you talking about? Billions of dollars will be spent on advertising messaging and Television and media content. To make you feel comfortable again it will come in the traditional forms billboard here one hundred commercials there and the new media forms a twenty twenty twenty twenty one generation of memes to remind us that what you want again is normal seat in truth you want the feeling of normalcy and we all want it. We want desperately to feel good again to get back to the routines of life to not lie in bed at night wondering how we're gonNA afford our rent and bills and not wake up to an endless. Scroll of Human tragedy on our phones to have a cup of perfectly brewed coffee and simply leave the house for work the need for comfort will be real and it will be strong and every brand in America will come to your rescue gear consumer to help take away that darkness and get life back to the way it was before the crisis perhaps this rings a little true and then later in that piece this author writes. The cat is out of the bag. We as a nation have deeply disturbing problems so. I want to invite the two of you just to kind of reflect a little bit so within that context about what you're hearing there seems to me. This is right in many ways. This pandemic is kind of pulling back the curtain and helping us to see a bit more clearly. Some of the ways in which business as usual wasn't working at and certainly not for everyone helping us to see that there's something fundamentally wrong with the way we have structured ourselves as a society unsustainably so especially as you've noted. Liz in White Western society so I'm wondering if you can talk a little bit about what this crisis crisis has an unveiled for you. What you're observing. What you're noting and. I'm going to ask you to respond to that. I then Greek. I love Alan that you use. The term unveiled because unveiling is one of the definitions of apocalypse within a biblical context. There are these moments where we go and we pull back the curtain and we see what's behind the collective stories infections that we've told ourselves as a society that was what the entire book of revelation was about and it feels like using that definition. We live in profoundly apocalyptic times. There are few things that this crisis has really unveiled for me. And the first is that capitalism and the way that we've structured ourselves as a society especially here in the United States is ally we're here in the most powerful the wealthiest nation of the world and we were caught completely flat footed by this crisis and we still haven't found in affective mature unified way to improve to approach the very deep problems that this pandemic is offering us one of the things. For instance that we've learned is that mission see and resilience are actually mutually exclusive. I was reading an article in the New Yorker talking about why where are hospitals caught so undersupplied and the reason is very is is very simply that creating stockpiles of necessary. Things against emergencies is not an economically effective thing to do if you're approaching your medical system from the point of profit and loss then that's all resources your investing that you're not using that should be somewhere else and so we get to these moments and all of the resilience and the system has been taken out by the need for greater For greater efficiency with obviously just devastating effects for us as a country. I think historians look back at this period and people are going to look at. What was the point that the modern industrial age ended? And we knew this didn't work. This is going to be one of the points that they point at this moment that we're at right here. I'd also like to point out that we right now are living in the promise of peak suburbia. This is the moment that people from us. We get to live in our own houses with our own yards. We're just around our own people who've got this bubble around US people deliver stuff to the doors. We don't need to deal with anyone. And we've discovered that this dream is in fact a lie this this little American lifestyle that we have all sacrifice so much for is in fact not that great when we attain A- and we've discovered as part of that is their long forgotten values. That are just an integral part of being human that That we've discovered a really important things like connection seeing once seen one's neighbours is important the importance of creation and being out in the national world after the natural world after all there's a reason why so many state parks close because they're overcrowded because so many people are using them the importance of creativity in the arts for interpreting these moments and. I think that we see again. In this unveiling both the real beauty that comes from US re- recapturing these shared values that we've forgotten in modernity and also this moment when we realized that this lifestyle doesn't work anymore and we're not going to be able to go back to it as the pandemic continues to shapes over the next couple of years. Thanks ben you laid out a lot of things for us to chew on. They're in a very short period of time and we'll have more opportunity. Kinda dig into that a little bit. Liz I'm curious about your thoughts thoughts at this point for you. Sure well a been used the phrase unveil. I'm glad you use gas lighting. Because that's one of the favorite movies in our house and my husband and I do from time to time accused each other gas lighting them. But it's not true so ask. Fighting of American society has been going on prior to this particularly in convincing the American public. That excess is normal for one thing and so the idea that religion involves churches mosques temples and that sort of thing rather than Consumption consumption is seen as simply. This is the way life is way. Life's supposed to be But it's actually a good argument. Could be made that. It is modernities religion. So if we would be honest about that it we would go a long towards Removing the gas lighting creature. There the other thing I would say is a of that has been unveiled to me particularly as the shift in tone from Washington. Dc has changed. It's changed from dealing with the virus to the economy of that Draws on my deeply held and Long long-term suspicion showy say or skepticism of elite power structures. And the idea of accepting the deaths. The number of deaths that that are anticipated in favor of the economy puts me in the mind of my favorite line from a Christmas Carol. And I'm actually going to read it to everybody. It's Christmas in. May because I think it's such an important point. The Dickens makes their If you've seen the movie or read the Book You Know How some gentlemen come in to Ebenezer Scrooge to talk about helping the poor and raising some funds for them and scrooge is concerned that the poor houses in the work laws and all those things are not doing what they need to do. And the gentlemen replied well. Many people would rather die than go there and Scrooge says I WORKED TO SUPPORT THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS. And then he said if they would rather die than they had better do it and decrease the surplus populations. Besides excuse me I don't know that and in some ways the last phrase. I don't know that speaks to the willful ignorance of elites and I think that is of great concern Okay France and I M guessing that Alan is having Internet Shenanigans. Unfortunately that's been happening for him all week. An ethernet cables on the way so it will be coming soon Nicole I serve on the staff at the center and Luckily Alan shared with me. The next question so ben in Liz will run forward with this next question And actually this would be a good point ought to say in addition to having you read in the chat. Box that If you have any questions for Ben and Liz. I am happy to be collecting and organizing those questions. So if you wouldn't mind sending them to me crime I will then do that organizing. Pass them forward so this next question actually is for you. Liz and Alan was prepared to say that he knows how much time you spent living working and studying in southern Africa. Zimbabwe Zambia Malawi. Botswana Namibia and South Africa while I never knew that holistic and I've heard Allen has heard you speak about the ways in which those experiences transformed so much about the way you understand and experience the world. He was hoping you could talk with us a little about that. And how it forms and informs you are experiencing this pandemic and how you think about returning quote unquote to normal and just to say it. I'm back I apologize back having a few internet problems. Thank you for jumping and Nicole. My pleasure so shall take that one away then go for it right This is going to be a very broad brush response so I because of the time limit so I apologize in advance for any Experts in African cultures and societies. Who might see this a little bit differently? But to qualities of African life above it seemed particularly relevant to where we are with this pandemic and those are limitations and vulnerabilities And also These are informed by very rich spiritual spirituality and cultures and worldviews within the context of poverty in on the African continent. And I will say as a sidebar that the poverty has been induced for the most part by the West. But that's another topic for another day as far as limitations go As I observe this in Africa there is a lot of A sense of the entire world all of creation being animated and and possessed of a vital force and interconnection between everything is is very much a part of that world in one of the implications of that is there is Very Limited Human Agency which is considerably different from the Way White. Westerners have been taught to think about ourselves. The sense of vulnerability arises a in the sense of never knowing really be in this interconnected and force filled world. Why things happen. Or who is responsible so from a white American perspective? Neither of those concepts either. The idea of limitations. Vulnerabilities is terribly popular in our dominant culture. But during our time and ask for Co one of the many things that observed was how the African context and world views yielded incredible resourcefulness creativity and resilience and There was also a sense of civility and dignity in the most out seemingly unser unrealistic places. there was always a sense of dignity and respect shown to people and so in in our situation is. I think about limitations and vulnerabilities that we are being exposed to now in this crisis. I think we are starting to see some of the first the idea of resourcefulness and resilience and creativity. Think about how places like the BTF center have pivoted very quickly to doing things online. All the people who've started making face masks the breweries that have started making hand sanitizers. So that part is definitely within us and that is very very encouraging. I am less convinced at least right now about the second. The idea of dealing with Vulnerabilities from an standpoint of civility and respect I'm not sure how our society going to navigate that one but there are some great lessons to be learned. I'll from that context. Thank you a really reshape that We did have one question that came up that I wanNA address early quickly and that someone asked about the term gas lighting and I'm glad they ask because perhaps there are others that are familiar with that term and it's an important one that we all should know really quickly at top of my head. Gas Lighting is a psychological manipulation tool that abusers tend to use. I'm defining this broadly. Convince you that what you experienced wasn't really true. It's used a lot in abusive relationships where an abusive partner will try to convince their partner. The one they're abusing that they didn't that they thought they experienced didn't actually happen that it wasn't true it's it's a psychological manipulation tool and as said it's based on a movie and. I haven't seen that movie. I need to But I think it's an important term. I'm a new Now turn to ban and Ben as I shared among other things. Your host of this really great. Podcasts called reports from the spiritual frontier where you interview and chronicled the lives of people who are curing new spiritual communities on a spiritual margins of our country and you over the past several years. I mean if you number one hundred people doing that. Doing some really incredible innovative things Can you share a little bit about what you're learning in those conversations about the changing religious landscape Kind of above the shape of community. That's emerging about how faith leaders and local congregations responding to this condemn ick with innovation and creativity. And maybe also how this Kobe nineteen crisis is exposing some difficult realities about the practice of faith in the United States in particular. Something about I a little bit about this. Yes both for my both for my my work on the podcast and also from my my family proximity to professionals who are working through all these issues right now. One of the things I've noticed and this has really been. This has really been true for for a long time is how were in this moment. That is both for in American religious. Life that is both deeply destructive and deeply re creative as I talk to people who have been working on the margins innovating new forms of spiritual community. I am stunned by not just the creativity. The deep profound compassion and faithfulness by which people are forming unity's and that has been A. That's wonderful that's a wonderful encouragement to see especially in a moment like now. We're we're experiencing such profound decline in American religious life. These dynamics have not changed in our current pandemic moment but they have been accelerated in highlighted in some important ways in ways that are really encouraging and ways that are perhaps a little distressing so for those of you who come from Christian tradition. The most obvious thing that is happening is that the church has been kicked out of the building even our most hidebound faith communities are being forced to innovate right now and this is certainly embodied in a lot of the communities that I follow because I've interviewed. Their leaders are doing wonderfully creative and faithful things but even here on the island at this little church where my wife is a pastor the small to England church. I'm sure many of you would would recognize has twenty to thirty five people on a on a a on a Sunday morning during the during the off season has found some really wonderful creative ways to embody a new rhythm. In this time that we can't physically be together so we have the there's online worship. That's that's well done and has been powerfully connecting his actually allowed us to connect with our seasonal friends there are rhythms of spiritual formation in the church for the Actually for the first time we've been here in five years there's a program for the first time we've been here over the last five years there's class meeting and a Bible study and and even more encouraging is the work of food pantry on the island again. It doesn't sound like something particularly exciting. Lots of churches have food pantries but one of the wonderful things happened on the island. Is that the church decided. We're GONNA stock this thing to the top and open it to everyone regardless of economic need so if you are feeling lonely and you need to see some live people with a mask six feet away thank you very much you can come and You can come and receive food if you forgot half-and-half on your last trip to the grocery store and you don't want to get on the boat and go back to the mainland. You can come in about. Ten percent of the island is showing up every week to this. All the island organizations have really closed down except for one the church and that's very encouraging and I see that mirrored across the country where people have been just powerfully engaged in in in loving their neighbor in this beautiful moment. I think what's happened is we've cut away a Lotta the Detroit right. We're not spending dollar energy with a thousand meetings. We're not consumed with building maintenance. We've really had to refocus our energy and that's opened up space for us to both deepen our connections with God and also love our communities the way that God does as well so that's all very encouraging but there's a lot of difficulty that this is also unveiling an accelerating as well and here's what I mean. By accelerating there are a lot of churches in the context. I am up here in Maine that have been financially stress for years and years and you could look into the future and say in ten years this church is probably not gonna be able to to make it anymore and those timelines now have been shortened I know there're denominations that are already putting out essentially financial pre mortems preparing for a wave of church closures. And there are places where the timeline for community might be Might be half or even less of what it used to be because of the ways that this is so Accelerated financial difficulties. This is also true in that marginalized groups that are part of tricks communities. I've noticed that might have hung around for a few more years. Are Now all the way out the door. I see this on the island and it's one of the greatest griefs for me over the last eight weeks with a group of preteens that I formed close relationships with WHO. I've really been working with them to help them fall into place in the church. We haven't been successful normally. They probably leave some time. Now the stats say in high school or when they leave for college and with one exception with one kid on Easter. I haven't seen a single one of them at these last eight weeks. After fact on our Our worship this last Sunday. There was only one person there under the age of fifty besides the past trainer family. And so what this means is we are in this place where we have created space and we have also created some institutional desperation and I tend to think this is a really good thing because our communities have sunk increasing resources for decades in trying to keep the old normal going for as long as possible oftentimes to the exclusion of almost anything else. And now that I'm that old normal is not possible. We can all see where the end of the road is. And so now people are beginning to ask what will happen now and that is a beautiful and a very dangerous question. Which is I say is both can be discouraging distressing but also really encourage beautiful in dangerous question. Yeah it's a mixed bag. Isn't it some really encouraging things that we're seeing happening and also as you say a lot of things are accelerating that we're probably going to happen anyway? So we're writing that mix We're a little bit behind schedule. I'M GONNA try to catch us up if we can This question we're going to shift gears a little bit and talk about the connection between this pandemic and climate which is a topical. Be exploring more fully in another zoo. Meet up next Thursday over the past nine months or so even before this pandemic was on the horizon or at least we knew it was We at the BT as center of turning our attention to this topic of the ecological crisis our world is facing and asking what kind of spiritual leadership is needed as we begin to feel the impacts of climate chaos more intensely. What does it mean to practice our faith? In this era what skills and resources to faith leaders need for leading effective faithful transformative communities of faith in the answer to seen this epoch that we're entering in fact our annual convocation which was originally scheduled for next week was going to be exploring this topic engaged. Hope grounded leadership in an era of ecological emergency Over the past six weeks or so we've had conversations about how this focus could not be more timely in many ways. This pin namic is is making our case for us so Next week zoom. Meet up we'll go into more topic but Into more depth on this topic but just for a few moments today one invites you to kind of make some early connections between this ten DEMOC and ecological devastation and starting with Liz for this one. Okay thank you and I'll also respond to what you're saying about. What are some of the skills that net should be cultivated and I would say Really important witness learning to think much more holistically and trying to be very self aware about how much are dominant culture influences. How we think of for example. If you're thinking about the virus in relation to scientific thinking then we could say that. What's happening is basically a function of evolution. A species gets out of line out of balance with physical forces and things happen and so so As I understand where this virus came from part of it was the encroachment of humans upon the non human world in ways that have allowed this virus to to mutate and jump so on the one hand. It's it's simply evolution at work. If we decide to think philosophically and theologically about this I would call on the great Feel ogen Sally McVeigh. Who just died a few months ago? She was very famous for her ability to use metaphor and when she would talk about ecological matter she would often talk about encouraging us to envision. The world has God's body and so as I was thinking about this the other day and thinking about the virus. Alverson had this thought. Well what if you know? There's all this talk about. Antibodies we need to find antibodies for this virus. That's the enemy and I began thinking. Well what if the virus is mother earth and to antibody for us? You know what happens if if we're actually the disease that that is Affecting the very body that we need to live up in order to exist so Creative holistic thinking I think And not being afraid to to stretch the boundaries a bit. Thank you so much Liz and Ben I am. I love that that image Liz of Of the Earth as God's body and this is something that actually I've been thinking about because it's very easy for us in these situations to want to default to the technical problems or the technical solutions wildlife loss our global economy the ways that we've been participating in environmental degradation in the ways that we've constructed society but there's a spiritual theological issue as as well here and I think part of it is that we have set up and adversarial relationship with our planet where we look at our the earth as object rather than as subject. And I think this is true. vic sustainability is really sometimes just a code. For how can we exploit this thing more responsibly? So we can last for longer but rather than the earth is God's body the earth is its own character with its own motives in its own needs and dreams this embedded in the story of our religious traditions. And we haven't listened to it as it's cried out so it's talking to US louder and louder and louder and the solution is not a technical thing. Led light bulbs are not going to solve our climate crisis. It's the quote from from Gus. Speth which I'm sure many of you have heard before that. He said you know he thought. Thirty years of of Good Science could address the problems but he but he said but I was wrong. The top environmental problems are selfishness. Greed apathy into to deal with these. We need spiritual and cultural transformation. A spiritual issue not a technical one in incidentally that is one. Where were those of us who are connected with faith? Communities have deep profound resources we can draw on to help us lead us as human community forward into a more sustainable just relationship with our planet so I do showed that Gus Speth quote Ben. It's it's one of my favorites and lives will tell you. I have shared that quote with our bt Center Board of Trustees at every board meeting since September because I think it warrants our attention in so many profound ways the thank you. I'm going to skip over the next question. I had jumped to a question. That's come in from one of our guest today and hopefully we can return to the other question. I had because I think it relates to what you were just both of you. Were just starting to talk about this question from Dan. Dan WOOLFORD WHO has a book coming out in the fall called? Remember the title. But it's about a spiritual practice in climate change and he says I'm noticing an incredible hunger for spiritual practice and deep engagement with formation. I'm teaching a class in contemplation with over eight hundred people. This is an online class. What are you noticing in terms of spiritual hunger? Either one of you want to jump on that question. I and or Liz. I'll I'll take that because I think the spiritual hunger has been there for a while. And I think we've seen it in the proliferation of Yoga Studios in the proliferation of new age kinds of things. So I think it's definitely there and perhaps this is what his pushed it over the top for people but yes Right and then I would. I would add that. This is a time where we noticed. Both the hunger of of US special hunger is society experience. When I was working with a lot of post Christian young adults is that there were never a more spiritually curious group of people people who are GonNa look for spiritual answers to questions like this and I see that we see that reflected and I think the deep hunger that many of us within our own religious traditions Have for contemporary of practice and spiritual practice point to some of the places where we've Neglected our life and health as a community that in this moment where that well should already be Doug and we should be able to draw from it all of a sudden. Everyone's pick it up their shovels and going out to the backyard which I think is which is wonderfully encouraging but again. It's a place that's kind of unveiled place of spiritual poverty within us as a as a faith communities. Thank You ben on reminder that if you want to ask any questions you'll free send those to Nicole Day off who who you'll see in the array of names there and she's sending some in my direction as they come in I'm going to ask the question. I had lower waiting for others to come in and we did get a question about the gusts Beth. Quote Banana that quote handy or if you can dig it out and just drop it in the chat box if you can't. I'll try to find it while you're answering the next question Be Great to share that whole quote with folks do that. So the the title of are gathering today is let's not normal and the not is in parentheses because we're using it in a way that it's kind of counter intuitive or are a counter cultural most while some voices are calling us back to normal. We're kind of saying let's hit the pause button and take a deeper look here as we suggest this now. I do WANNA be careful to do two things. I acknowledge that this is a time of incredible disruption disorientation enderle causing tremendous suffering for people who lost their jobs people who who own small businesses that had come to a screeching halt on people. Who are working jobs that are deemed essential? Maybe don't have access to child care So many for whom? This time is difficult in really unspeakable ways so there is a bit of privilege and saying. Hey let's not return to normal. Just WanNa acknowledge that at the same time we also know that there are groups of people people of Color immigrant communities people have lower economic status for example who are being impacted. Disproportionately who don't have the advantage of working from home who experienced disadvantages in society and our as a result a greater risk of exposure to this virus and as a result or contracting at higher rates are hospitalized more frequently and even dying More rapidly all I would say while having a greater difficulty accessing healthcare so there are so many different justice issues implicit here bearing all of that in mind and remembering where we started all the powerful work forces working overtime to convince us to get back to normal gas lighting to convince us that none of this even happened. Here's my question if we're saying let's not return to normal. What does that actually mean? What what is it that we want to leave behind for the sake of everyone? What meaningful change can we make? What do we WANNA take with us? So I guess I'm inviting you to to make the positive pitch here of the positive vision the values at see most important from the perspective of the common good. And then what's IT GONNA take to ensure that we don't simply retire rich? We've tried to return to the normal from whence we came Ben Once you take that one first so as I think about the invitation that this pandemic is giving us and incidentally I think one of the wonderful ways to to approach these questions of changes to think about how cove in nineteen has been our teacher through. All of this is is the invitations for space that we are already stepping into. I think that one of the beautiful things that that a new normal could offer us as a chance for us to all jump off the consumerist materialistic treadmill that gets us all going and begin to again. Enjoy the blessings that are part of the rhythm of our everyday lives. I see this on the island. Where many of these kind of old virtues? Before the kind of this this hyper over-anxious capitalist way of life really really got going. They still kind of live on the island and I see the joy for instance. I went out for a walk. The other day and walks twenty minutes in six cars pass by and four of them stopped and rolled down their windows and we talk for a few minutes and that sort of that sort of thing in our in our modern society would be considered a waste of time. I never really got my heart rate up. The walk took a lot longer than it was supposed to. But yet the joys of human connection in this time and we have space to just stop and chat with our neighbors in more than that. We have a desire to get to know them to is a beautiful wonderful invitation. I think that much of the best language to describe the way we want to be as a society is already embedded within our religious traditions as we think about what it means to have communities that are based in love and not ingred profit as I think about it means to have justice for all of a olive creation. Not just our human friends and neighbors but our non human brothers and sisters as well and I think it's important that we take these moments and rather than getting pulled into this reactive place where we're trying to figure out Where we're trying to figure out what we WANNA keep. What do we don't WANNA keep it? How are we going to deal with the pressing exigencies of everyday life to stop and take a breath and enter into all the jeep contempt of resources of our tradition and just begin to noticed to notice what we have valued from this time to notice what we want to take with us and to notice those choices for change. We're going to have to make the to create social friction and be willing to lean into that discomfort as we create a better new normal together a love that Thank you for that and in many ways you know that. It's really a reclaiming of what is the essence of our faith traditions. To begin with much of which we've distorted and twisted and turned into something different Kind of a capitalist consumer overlay on our faith tradition Liz. How would you respond to that question with your positive vision here right and before I get to that I just wanted to circle back briefly to the question about the spiritual hunger and pick up on something that Ben said there's definitely It speaks to the impoverishment I think of of Western culture that so much of the striving on the part of people who are unchurched or What have you have to seem to go to eastern religions or to commercial enterprises where? You're a storefronts that are selling crystals and things like that. I'm not denigrating those but I'm just saying. There is a wealth of a Christian experience. A Celtic Christian. Tradition African spirituality Age Asian expressions that have Haven't separated the the sacred and the secular to the extent that the western European worldview has done. So I do think there's a lot of catch up work there on the part of the American churches as to the question about what sort of values. And what do we want to take with us? There's a marvelous Canadian theologian named Douglas. John Hall who back in the Vietnam War era era wrote a fabulous book in which he dubbed near the American culture as the officially optimistic society and talks about how this has invaded Christianity as well on the continent and so his term for that was cultural Christianity. And at the core of this officially optimistic society is the notion of triumphalism and victory so If we stop to think about our own American culture these days I think we can definitely say that at work. In Fact Hall reissued the Book Shortly into the twenty first century and it still as relevant today as it was back in the Vietnam War era. But so I see in this Attest and an opportunity for a people of faith in the United States for one thing that the test is that maybe there will not be a happy ending to this. We can't assume that there is going to be something like that. And I I would suspect that many of our ancestors in the faith and our ancestors by D. A. Back did not expect happy endings as much as perhaps The American public does so if that is the case what is God calling us to. Can we think about our lives in a sense of? It's not so much about whether or not we expect a happy ending. But what moments of grace And what moments ministry Do we have before us right now. I would recommend us as reading. In addition to Hall's book Richard Roars Falling Upward. Which imagined many people have read here? And it's good not only for individuals but for societies the opportunity. I see is Echoes halls argument. In in his book. There is an opportunity to embrace humility as a virtue not only individually but as a society and to think about hope as opposed to optimism and moving forward in hope rather than a certainty and opt really important. Thank you Liz. And put that book recommendation in the chat. If you're wondering the next question we got and we've got a couple more here that have come in. That are good. This is from Caitlyn who is describing experience. You hadn't zoom worship where the creation. She's serving where they talked about this idea of not returning to normal and she asked what are you willing to give up in order not to return to normal and I think this is a question. Not just for losing ben but maybe for all of us. I would invite bite you if you feel led to to use the chat box and answer that question all of us Let's see how many of us are there. They're fifty three on the call right now. What are you willing to give up in order to not return to normal and listen ban? I will give you a chance to answer that really quickly but I love to hear what others think too. I'm really quickly Liz. What would you be willing to give up more travel? Let's do this round robin. Ben What are you? Want TO GIVE UP AMAZON DOT COM. Oh that one hurts. Certainty see here. Meet HER PERFECTIONISM. The building That's a hard one for many faith. Communities TO SWALLOW TRAVEL Amazon red meat. Meat is a popular inconvenience consuming as a recreation. Someone is willing to give up a local. Yeah being able to get pineapple in every season right the global supply chain anything else from Lizard. Ben They'd be willing to give out. I mean I know there is better. You WanNa say right now. My dream of being a respectable Christian because I don't actually think the practice of of following Jesus can't be a respectable by the norms of our culture amen. How about for those of us who are clergy a willing to give up your full time professional clergy status with a hefty pension? That's a tough one. Let's see plastic filling time lots of cheap clothing made in the Third World? That's a big one thing about the the expenses. Someone paid for your convenience and for your for that price tag rushing and being over scheduled. Whatever it takes preconceived notions looking in the fridge. And asking what do I need to buy and replacing the question? What can I make with what I have? We could learn from people in other parts of the world. We can learn from our mennonite siblings in that regard My wife is amendment Mennonite tradition. We're asking what can I make with what I have is a really popular and important question? Starbucks eating out self-importance of being busy is a great response. Keeping coming another question while you continue to answer those of that one This is asking what scriptures are speaking to you in this time of disorientation. Us putting on the spot. But I'm wondering Aben or Lindsey. Either of you have a particular scripture passage that you've been reflecting on this time I don't know the you know you can't cite the chapter in verse. Maybe it's in reference a story a theme something from scripture that you have found meaningful there are. There are three that come to mind for me. One is what I'm looking for comfort. I remember I lift up my eyes onto the hills from. Where does my help come? My help comes from the Lord Maker of Heaven and Earth returning to the psalms a lot for comfort as I seek to interpret this time. I'm right now. My wife and I and daily prayer or reading through the book of Exodus and man the people of Israel are just they are delightfully in hard headed and stubborn and complacent in all that all that various sorts of all the various nonsense which. I hope that God didn't give up a god won't give up on me and I think about a lot of the packages job where we are reminded that in In a Christian scriptures nature the character and nature is called to testify against us in for us in his participation in participates with God like in the in the plagues. The nature participates with God and the liberation. Of God's people and I find those really helpful frames as I think about what's going on right now. It's Great Liz. Anything come to mind you. I grew up in the Churches of Christ. Which is a very fundamentalist oriented tradition. And I have always been embarrassed that I can remember snippets of scripture but never the verse holding you accountable so to that. I think about a lot Just in navigating the political situation that surrounds all this is the admin admonition to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves and then regarding the idea vulnerability Paul Statement when I am a week then and my strong nice and we're getting great suggestions than in the chat box so I refer you to those Someone reference I think it's Philippians. Do not eat conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind so that you may discern what is the will of God what is good and acceptable and perfect one of my favorites too. So thanks for now for the all all of you. Who are sharing your scripture references. We have just a few more minutes I am going to If you have one more question we probably could take one more. But I'm going to ask Ben and Liz each to to share a final thought. That you might. Let's start with whichever of you wants to go first mine. Odd is a reminder that none of this is new that in our faith traditions. We find people who have done this all before we do not need to discover or invent or create any of these resources people have walked in the path before us and we all just need to sink down roots deep into traditions to find all that we need to To go forward and also I would add with that there are. We have sisters and brothers across the world who have great experiences. Navigating Open ended times of vulnerability and grief and even pandemic and we should be looking to them for wisdom in times like this as well. Great Reminders Ben and we are going to be Looking to some of them frozen again you that we can hear you can hear me okay. I we are GONNA be looking to listening from some of our neighbors from the global south for wisdom in the coming days including future one of these. Metex live podcast recording soon on the ledge. Final phone. I I would Echo Ben and also say that. I have been so impressed that I'll as many people have signed up for this today. Have been here and the collective wisdom that this group represents. I wish we'd had a chance to hear from more of everyone and hope we will have other times to do that.

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Kondabolu next the syndicated advice columnist behind. Ask Amy it's Amy Dickinson and finally it's an actor and writer who wrote for the upcoming season of at home with Amy Sedaris. It's Peter Gross. Hello welcome to the show. You of course are going to start us off with. Who was bill? This time Bill Curtis is going to read you three quotes from this week's news. They're all Tom Star by the way so he's heard I'm getting if you can correctly identify. Explain it just two of them. You'll win our prize envoys from our show. You might choose on your voicemail. Are you ready to go. Take your best shot now. We will your first quote is from the CEO of a company that made a voting APP called Shadow. We feel really terrible about that. That man was apologizing for his company. Ruining the results of what this week the Iowa Balk at the L.. Talk on Iowa. Not only do you have one job. You only have to do it once every four years. It's like an Olympic Archer standing up and immediately shooting himself in the CROTCH. The the Iowa caucuses are impossibly complicated. We found out this week but apparently we need to do them because only iowans can really get to know the candidates face to face which is why we saw a bunch of farmers feeling Bernie Sanders haunches and checking his. I've never seen a cow. This old this like this one bit. His milk is one percent. So what was the result of. The Iowa caucuses. Everybody's been waiting. Nobody knows everything that could go. Wrong wrong went wrong of this brand new phone at meant to make the results. Easy to report didn't work well. Maybe they shouldn't have bought a product called shadow could they. Why Not Get Evil Tech Inc on the phone it also sounds like a mysterious makeup? Show wait you know the I. I thought the Iowa caucuses were basically. It's like in a gym. Yeah it's like dodge ball sort of like the loser has to go over the winner's side added stand there right. So how hard is isn't it. Just counting I mean. Don't they just count. I think that's neither the caucus nor dodgeball right. Have you ever played any. Yeah I yeah I I should be by the way the way that you just described. It should be. It should be just candidates in a gym. Throwing Dodge would have been easier on Wednesday. They put up more results but then they had to put up a retraction. They promise they will have the official guaranteed verified results by the time trump is reelected. Aw See who you're caucusing all right. You're next quote is from the president of these United States. Tonight we have a very special schol surprise a lot of surprises. And what big speech on Tuesday the Union yes. The State of the Union address is what pumped what circumstance president began the evening by refusing to shake speaker. Nancy Pelosi's hand it. All went downhill from there for the entire entire speech sitting behind. Nancy Pelosi looked like a woman listening to her ex boyfriend. Talk and Mike. Pence looked like a contestant hoping to get picked on the bathroom as you could imagine I could have anticipated. President Trump said these state of the Union is strong. That's better than his. I draft in which he said. The State of the Union is Kansas but he seemed to be in a good mood why not he was getting ready to celebrate being acquitted in his first impeachment. Got Really Bizarre. Because he had all these reality shows stunts he gave gave a young woman a scholarship. Right there in the gallery surprised her with it. He surprised rush limbaugh with the Medal of freedom. Right there live on national TV. Hey Rush limbaugh you just got the medal medal of freedom. What are you GonNa do now? I'm going on a sex tour Thailand. The thing I couldn't get over it was when he reunited a military family by I surprise only this woman. She came to the state of the union with her children. She didn't know where husband was going to be showing up from Afghanistan particularly sad because she brought her boyfriend eh but then it turns out it got even better. It turns out trump had hidden a free soldier under every chair of the soldier. You you gotTA soldier. Can we go back just for a moment to rush limbaugh getting a medal of freedom. Just that's a thing that happened. Yeah and it's it's good in that it means that we're all a step closer to get into the military. I feel more qualified for it than I ever have. Well uh-huh Mother Theresa Medal of Freedom. It's like Charlie Brown getting elected to the NFL Hall of fame. The and then as we said it ended with this Pelosi ripping up the speech. He really enjoyed it. That's why we should not have put her in charge of counting the paper ballots in Iowa. All right your last quote changing direction is a comment and on a New York Times report about a group of people cooking dinner in Florida. These guys should use an apron at least so that that was a reaction to this story about people cooking while what their cookie naked yes they are cooking turns out. The latest trend in home. Cooking is not raw cuisine but cooking in the raw according to the New York Times the paper of record more and more people are embracing nude cooking. But they're not embracing seeing each other. That's not what nudism is about. Didn't you read our pamphlet. Nudists see they say a clear link between being unclothed clothed and creativity which is true. Just think of all the really interesting ideas you've had with your pants off doing this. Show for for twenty years and yet surprise you identified with ideas while your pants are off. Added One more thing that I don't want to do when I'm naked I just sexist right at the top edge now turns out of of course that not only do people cook but of course these nudist resorts have restaurants which in this particular case the amy. They have to eat Louis. Resins particularly one according to the New York Times. Great Grey Lady But hut the bare buns cafe. Tmi Fridays race cracker barrel. You know someone some nudist listening to this show right right now and they are turning off their radio while naked. They're very offend bill. How did Chad doing our quiz? Chad was great. He got three right and and that means he's the winner. Congratulations much playing. Good luck surviving. The next week the right now panel time for you to answer some questions about this week's news amy. It's hard being a man these days but law. I uh literally bleed for you anyway. It's going to start the questioning. It's hard being a man these days but luckily one company is catering to their unique needs by finally making what just for men what men need more of that. They don't already have an abundance well because it's for men it's extra crusty like a pizza. Eh No no. Although you're in the right general ballpark type of bread bread. Actually you got it just for man just for men. Read Men's bread. That sounds like a disease yes now. We have men's bread just for men no longer. Do men have to put ham and cheese directly on their Harry. Forma run cover it. With man's spreads product it claims to be a quote functional high performance bread for men. It of course comes in flavors just for man like Multi Grain Barbecue and the Oscar for best director actor coming up Yep. Our panelists enjoy a lazy Sunday afternoon. In our bluff the listener game called one. Triple eight wait wait to play. We'll be back in a minute with more weight on tell me from. NPR support for this podcast and the following message comes from the NPR wine club. Discover hand selected wines explore the stories behind each one and enjoy unique bottles inspired by your favorite. NPR shows like wait. Wait don't tell me Pinot Noir and weekend edition Cabernet the. NPR Wine Club is the perfect pairing to support. NPR's programming if you're twenty one or older uncork a special offer at NPR wine club dot org. Let's play some games. Everybody are you you looking for the answer to life's funnier questions there's naked and then there's Canadian make it every weekly comedy Trivia and a special celebrity interview how ask me another from NPR from NPR at WBZ Chicago. This his wait wait. Don't tell me the NPR news quiz. I'm Bill Curtis. We are playing this week with Amy Dickinson. Jason Peter Gross Hari Kondabolu and here again is your host at Chase Bank auditorium in downtown Chicago. Peter seghal Hugo right now hated everybody right now. It's time for the wait. Wait don't tell me the listener game call one AAA wait. Wait to play our game on the air. Hi You're don't tell me. Hi this is Karen Warner from Anderson. Indiana well how are you Karen. Well I'm pretty good. I'm glad to hear it now. WH- where in Indiana is Anderson. Sort of halfway between Muncie Indianapolis. Oh I see the people from Indianapolis and Muncie go to to really have a good time. That's it we'll jared welcome to the show. You're going to play the game in which you have to tell L. Truth from fiction. What is the topic bill? It's four PM on a Sunday. Do you know where you are four. PM on Sunday is the worst time of the weekend. There's absolutely nothing left to do. And it's too early to go to bed this week. We heard about someone who came up with something interesting to do exactly at four. PM on Sunday. Our panelists are going to tell you about it. Pick the real wanting you'll win our prize the weight waiter of your choice on your voicemail ready to play ready all right I. Let's hear from Hari Kondabolu with more restaurants in town than ever before Henry Lawrence's diner the polar bear in Brunswick Maine hit hard times. Hope was in short supply until Mr Lawrence had an epiphany. Everyone offers brunch. Now it's like the hip new thing from New York City. That people can't get enough of but how about a meal between lunch and dinner done CH- as Mr Lawrence calls. It has been served at the polar bear every Sunday at four pm for the last month. Mister Lawrence claims four. PM is the ideal time to eat on Sunday since people do not stay up late before the work week starts and research has shown that people tend to put on the most weight when they eat late dinner on Sunday. We found no studies that prove this to be true so far. The experiment has not taken off one. Local resident said they felt uncomfortable. Instable with the word dench. It sounds like a racial epithet or an act of sexual perversion. I'm a God fearing man who has no interest in such activity so the criticism hasn't stopped Mr Lawrence though who has taking a second mortgage on his house to keep his diner and Sunday Dutch alive. I thought my wife would stop me but instead she left and took the kids. I'm fine with it more Dutch for me. The diner owner decides night's four PM Sundays. The best time for a whole new meal he calls done next story of a super Sunday comes from Amy Dickinson. Good news for that subset of people who go to church on Sunday mornings hung over or maybe still drunk from Saturday night and I'm not just talking about the clergy. You know the feeling sure you of Jesus but on Sunday morning thanks you just hate the sunlight. The smell of the communion wine makes you vomit in your mouth just a little bit or maybe you want to punch up the choir for singing so loudly. Reverend Mark Montgomery an Anglican Priest in Kent England asked churchgoers why they were skipping services. On Sunday morning a lot of them said they had to take their kids to sports games or that they wanted to go to the farmer's market. The ones who weren't lying said that times they were just too hungover from partying the night before now members of Reverend Montgomery's perish have the option to worship a little less hung over over on Sundays at four in the afternoon. That's the perfect time. An hour after the headache has finally faded and an hour before the drinking begins. I'd like to suggest some simple changes to tailor. This service to the needs of the congregation. For instance instance sermons titled. I love you man. I'm not even tired. Oh my God we should totally hang out more church service Britain at four PM. I'm on Sunday just right for people who couldn't get out of bed on Sunday. Because of the Saturday night they had your last story of the Lord's Day improved comes from Peter. Gross cyber defense systems is a budding software startup notoriously competitive silicon valley founder and CEO. Joshua Hirsch was looking for a way to boost output from his staff when he read a study in the new linguine journal of work life balance. That found that most people start thinking about going back to work at around four PM Sunday afternoon. Scientists identify this as the precise moment when people people give up on both finishing the Sunday crossword puzzle and having fun with their family. I had a brilliant idea. Said Hersh well to be fair. It was microdosing when I thought of it so it may have been. I'm just a regular idea that I thought was brilliant. He instituted an optional four. PM Sunday work session for his employees who wanted to get a jump on the workweek on the first Sunday. Forty thirty five of cyber dines fifty employees showed up while five future former employees didn't understand that it optional really means mandatory. Of Of course wants everyone comes in early. Early is on time so the following Sunday enthusiastic software designer frank. Romance key showed up at noon so then people started coming in on Saturday night and then Saturday morning and then this week not a single employee of cyber systems went home for the weekend at all. Many have even begun sleeping at their desks. All except romance key. WHO said sleep? Why do you need to sleep? I'm telling teacher alright. Somebody somewhere decided to described doing something exactly at four. PM on Sunday was it. From Hari. Kondabolu Amanda decided that be the perfect time to serve his restaurant. A new meal between dinner and lunch Enj- called dench aiming in England church service for people who just can't get out of bed because of the drinking they did and can roll in at four. PM or more from Peter. Gross at Tech Company that decided that the work week really starts at four P. M. on Sunday and made his employees adhere to that which of these the real story of something that Sunday at four well they also totally implausible. And as much as I would like to have done. I think I'M GONNA go with amy the Church Garrett you're going to go with Amy's Church serves four. PM Church Service sleep it off. The audience seems to agree. All right. Well we spoke to someone familiar with a real story to bring you the correct answer. Gabriel's has added an additional four o'clock in the evening service. Reach out and serve others. Even those who've been over served the night before that was the Reverend Canon Lisa Hackney James The sub dean at Saint James Cathedral here in Chicago talking about the four. PM Hung over Church Service. Congratulations Karen you got it right. Well prize the Voice of your choice in your voicemail. Congratulations relations. Thank you so much of it was fun to talk to you. Take Care and now the game where we reward people who've already won a lot of awards. Speaking of which Tracy Letts has won awards both for play writing and acting his plays include August. osage county killer alert Joe and the minutes which is coming to Broadway with him. Blair Brown and Armie Hammer in the cast. He is also we are confident. The only person in the festivus episode of Seinfeld who has won a Pulitzer Prize Tracy lattes. Welcome to wait wait. Don't tell me thank you thank you. It's a pleasure to have you. I The even though I can go on and on about your plays that you've written. You're also a pretty accomplished actor and for our radio audience. Is there something that you are most well known for for the people recognize you for mostly a lot of Salesman in airports seem to recognize from homeland right find that a lot of those people or homeland watchers salesman. Airports yes so I get a lot of that Certainly the festivus episode that. We don't look like I did when I was in the festivus episode which of us does exactly yeah and then these days Ford versus Ferrari and little women are people are seeing those movies which is really exciting. Now this may change with the minutes coming to Broadway but your most famous play was August. osage county uh-huh which won a Pulitzer Prize of back in two thousand eight. It is the greatest dysfunctional family play. Ever it's amazing but it is I am I'm told quite autobiographical. It is yeah. My grandfather committed suicide when I was ten years old and my grandmother after that event descended ascended into years of Downer addiction. Yeah and that was the basis for the play a subject that had been with me and part of my life for a very long time. What was very scary to find out was upon writing the play and putting in front of an audience that apparently everybody in the audience had had the exact same? Yeah did did other members of your family who you grew up with. See the play and comment upon. There's no yeah. In fact there's a story in the play about a stepfather stepfather slash uncle. Who Beats a member of the family with a Claw Hammer? And I remember the relative in their seventies at the time they saw other shows saying to me afterwards. How did you know the Claw Hammer story and I said well? I don't know it just been passed around and so many said that happened to you and he said Oh yeah happened to me damn near killed me. Wow that's so nobody got mad at you for like airing out the family laundry you know. It's amazing people like seeing themselves represented on this day. I guess so they're bragging you know that character that everyone hates that was me. I don't WanNa go on too much about it. 'cause people people may not know the play but the grandmother character in the play is truly one of the great. I don't know whether the word villain is right. But she's this monstrous person who takes pleasure in just destroying destroying everybody. She talks to yeah. That's my grandmother. My mom when she read the play and she was one of the first people ever to read read. It and I knew it was very tough speaking about her mother and I was a little fearful of what her reaction would be and the first thing my mom said to me was. You've I've been very kind to but you're also an actor of course you've always been one. That was your first career. That's what you started doing. It's Kinda hard to know where one start in the other began i. They always kind of been on parallel tracks. I think I got a little more traction as an actor before where I got a little traction as a playwright but then I would focus on being a playwright for awhile and then an acting gig would come. There's no plan there's never been any plan right when you're on a set working in commercial stuff TV movies. Do you ever have the temptation to go. Talk to the writer and maybe make a suggestion and say bill. Well you know I understand you. You WanNa do it this way but my pulitzer suggested I don't and I'm told later on by some of the writers on staff that they were nervous about the fact that I was there but I oh I've I've done the acting side of it for so long that I who would want to hire me if I was going to go up and that's true that's true kind of obnoxious and you have to movies nominated for best picture. You're in Ford versus Ferrari and little women yeah. I don't know how that happened. I got very lucky. The secret saw I. I have one more question for you. You you've spent your entire professional life mostly in the theater. Your wife is in the theater. Your friends are in the theater. Your collaborators in the theater you go to see your friends plays what do you do sir. When they are bad I why do you really you stay for the lie and I lie well really really well and I want everybody to lie? Well when they you see my place. I don't think we should all get a lot better at that. Because we're very good at it. If you think about it in our day to day life live all the time and yet there are times when we see somebody's play. I was like well I have to be true to myself. I can't possibly lie to this. Well yes you can you just look them in the eye and Usak. Ah that was fantastic. That was extraordinary. I'll never forget. Tracy Letts it is a pleasure to talk to you. We've invited you here to play a game we're calling Tracy Letts Tracy. Let's not sometimes. It is wiser not not to do something. We're going to ask you. Three questions about warnings given to people and to correctly and you win a prize for our listener. The Voice of your choice for your voicemail bill who is Tracy Letts it's playing for Elizabeth Cook Qasidi Florida. All right you ready to do this. What if I knew her? Wouldn't that be strange if I knew her. And I had some Grudge Njuguna Elizabeth Florida take it. Well it'd be awkward but then again it also be your next play. All right you ready to do this. Yes all right first question. Foreign Countries often issue travel warnings to people coming to the United States. Switzerland tells it citizens not to do what when they come here. You're a say anything. Negative about star wars be p in the street or see go anywhere near Swiss miss hot chocolate P in the street. You're exactly right. Yeah did you have. You traveled the world and seeing sophisticated Europeans being street and knowing that that's what they do I've seen all manner of people but that's so weird because first first of all. How often do people apparently the Swiss field that we are touchy about this? It must have happened enough that like Swiss citizens went back and like. Why didn't anybody talk me exactly want me to do you have to specifically say do not all right? That's very good very confident pattern on that next question when winds of sixty miles an hour hit Toledo last February. The National Weather Service released an advisory warning people to use caution while doing what a walking small dogs who might blow away. Be Wearing nun's whipple's or see standing upright instead of the recommended crawling along the ground. Small animals. Yes you're right. The people of Northern Ohio got a small dog warning the first ever from the National Weather Service in Cleveland. You also should not be in the streets exactly. Yes here's your last question really rock and through this back. In the ninety s advisory stickers were one way for parents no not to let kids listen to certain albums and one of the first records to ever receive one of those stickers was which of these a Frank Zappa's jazz from hell an album of completely completely instrumental. Music be brought to you by the letter. F IT SESAME STREET'S F the Lower C- David Lee Roth sings Sondheim. Frank Zappa instrumental. You're exactly right tracing. The album had no lyrics at all but one of the tracks was called G spot tornado. So you now. You have to protect the kids bill. How to Tracy? Let's do on our quiz. Aided great very few people get a all right and you just did thanks three three. So you've got a pulitzer you gotTa Tony. How does this feel in comparison? It feels really good. I feel really good. I feel really really good such a good liar and in fact I'd like to thank a few people were my appearance. Yes and I believe you. Tracy letts is an actor and Pulitzer Prize winning playwright his play. The minutes opens at the court theater on on Broadway on March fifteenth. Tracy letts thank you so much for joining in just a minute. Bill turns up the pit bull but not cat stevens listener limerick challenge. Call One AAA wait. Wait late to join us on the air. We'll be back in a minute with more. 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That's one eight eight eight nine two four eight nine two four right now panels some more questions for you from the week's News Amy. A new study finds that if you're lonely only the cause may not be that you're single could be that you're just what married said with with wisdom. Sadness and experience depressed Peter out that it's not that obvious I'll give you a handy. I was so lonely before I met. blankie cold yes. So if you're feeling lonely put away that cold pint of ice cream and pick up a hot pint of pizza. The House that between feeling isolated and feeling physically cold changes in temperature affect our sense of community. So if you're you're feeling lonely skipped the soul. Shattering process of dating. Don't settle for garbage person just moved to Phoenix. That is that is full. I have been lonely in so so many climates that is. You're telling me to body heat. There's no particular I don't know if like body heat that is why you want other people but there's a psychological. I just promoting more nude cooking. I love when studies come up and people yell so you like. They're you know it's not possible. Now hurry some good news. For aspiring writers in Hollywood would more and more people in the film industry are hiring people to write. What depositions the screenplays? No I'll give you one of the big problems they solve is. Do you think your agent before or after you thank God their award speeches yes. Their Acceptance Speeches Brad Pitt is just one of the many stars who have hired a writer for his acceptance speeches. This seems bad but on the other hand it's basically the only way a a person of color could get shut up. He's right. It's like ghost writing a book like you just share everything and then they make your nonsense thoughts like coach. Do Yeah that would be how it works. It's a bad idea when the guy doesn't know you because like for example one of Brad Pitt's speech began. I haven't seen once upon a time in Holland. Quite good last year he just completely plagiarized. Michelle Obama's amy. After a guide was published online last week Americans hotly debated the correct way to do what I guide. What does this activity take place in the bedroom amy? What happens in the bedroom? Just the most obvious first thing that happens in bed sexing. That's sleeping sleeping. Yes we're GONNA talk about sleeping and then we're going to double back and talk about whatever sexing is last week. Somebody posted an online guide to sleeping position showing the eighteen possibilities there. Eighteen possibilities from back to side to be described as a kind of face-down face-down ostrich sounds like the most boring Kama Sutra book in the world renowned experts say that most adult sleep in the fetal position on the side but the knees. He's talked however most adults in relationship sleep in the. I can't feel my arms position that's true you do I do I find I. I find every single night that I go to sleep one way and I wake up at another position and I'm like how did I get here. Simply different magical surveillance at a different effort house. Sometimes it is I do I fall on my back. I put my pillow. This is very interesting everybody. I put my pillows around my surround. My head with pillows does off very well and then I wake up like a murder scene all place I must do some insane stuff in my sleep. Wow including snoring which I my wife tells me like every night you snore. I come in and I have to push you out out of the position of being on your back because when you're in back that's like prime snoring but I find it very relaxing to fall asleep that way and she always leave after his social walk in. Apparently every night happens it was like hey your snoring hits me to move me so actually I do know how I move. Yeah you sleep on in your side but not volunteering. Not just just figured it out coming up. It's lightning fill in the blank. But I it's the game where you have to listen for the rhyme. If you'd like to play on air caller leave a message aged one triple eight wait wait. That's one eight nine. Two four eight nine two four or click the contact us link on our website. Wait wait dot. NPR Dot Org. There you can find out about attending our weekly live shows is right here at the Chase Bank Auditorium in Chicago and her upcoming show on March twelfth in Atlanta Georgia. The Fox theater. And if you want more wait wait in your week. Check out the wait. Wait quiz for your smart speaker. It's every Wednesday with bill me asking you questions all in the comfort of your home. It's just like this radio show only now we can hear are you hi. You're on wait wait. Don't tell me my name is holly. I'm calling from Boulder Colorado Boulder's one of my favorite places. How are you you lucky enough to end up there? I just wanted to live here so I moved you just did you just didn't know that was possible. makes us very the easy to meet. You just picked up your life just move to boulder. Do you have a job or just went. I just went and I rented a place on the fly and slept on the floor and our the things are better so you just picked up and moved and then you went to a place and you didn't even have you witness protection. Yeah well welcome to the show. Holly Bill Curtis is going to read you. Three news related. Limericks the last word phrase missing from each if you can fill in that last word or phrase correctly and just to the lyrics will be a winner. You Ready Black. Yeah all right. Let's hear your first limerick since death dozen. Come all that often. It's costs are new. Kit Tries to soften a box editor and the HEX wrench to turn our kids. Let you build your own. Yes ask D I Y projects are all the rage alone this case. DIY is just an alternative spelling. For di I ah more and more people are choosing to make their own coffins rather than shell out big bucks to big death. Think of it as making a birdhouse but this time you're the bird and your deck. The company in Japan is helping people make their own coffins lowering the cost funeral planning. But what if you're not handy but if it falls apart just make sure you're buried within John Allen rich right now. The kids are only available in Japan. You have to assume that I- KIA will get in on this trend build it yourself coffins though pick your burial plot carefully only because an eye Kia coffin will not survive a move. Here is your next limerick for coffee. We're I'm not depraved. Schemers the flavors. We crave make us dreamers beyond allman than oats. Let's try peeps root beer floats. We love to explore. Flavored cannot know although flavored peanuts would be like the there was a clue in the I line which was for coffee and then clears schemer non dairy. The according to the Wall Street Journal sales of flavored liquid coffee cremers rose nine percent last year much of that can be credited to new even sweeter flavors like like reese's peanut Butter Cup and fun Fethi Fund. No you know how it is. Don't talk to me in the morning until I had my diabetes another way. The technical term for these products is oil based cremers oil sweet light crude other flavors include cinnamon roll on enjoy in sugar. Cookie I like my coffee like I like my men really lead disappointed here. Holly is your last Limerick. Well I might go out for a jog. My Furry Friend Sleeps. It's like a Lug. I will play him some songs saying I won't be long from a playlist that's made for my bog spotify making music playlists for Docs folks but really why ruin dogs by making them. Music Snobs to wait. What what are the songs like? WHO's a good boy actually it? It is these playlists have using that dogs are presumed to like and it also has human voices saying Nice pleasant things to them to play play. You know while you're not at home I mean it could backfire like play. Who let the dogs out no one? That's that's why Pete in the carpet this makes sense. It is called spotify all right bill. How did holly do in our quiz? Holly got them all right threes Aziz thank you so much plan. uh-huh support support for. NPR comes from Newman's own foundation working to nourish the common good by donating all profits from Newman's own food products to charitable organizations that that seek to make the world a better place. More information is available at Newman's own foundation dot org now onto our final game. Lightning fill in the blank. Each of our players will have sixty seconds in which to answer as many fill in the blank questions as they can each correct answers worth two points bill. Can you give us the scores at this point. You're not going to believe this Peter. Hurry have have to each and amy has four. Oh my God I do believe that all right. We flipped a coin. In Hari has elected elected to go. I fill in the blank on Wednesday blank was the only member of the GOP to vote guilty in trump's impeachment trial Mitt Romney right a new report shows that Illinois sold sold almost forty million dollars of legal blank in January cheese. No We'd on Thursday prosecutors rested their case against disgraced movie producer. Harvey Weinstein Right this week. Authorities in Tennessee arrested a loan officer named blank for stealing over fifty thousand dollars in customer payments thievery. No Her name was Sarah Swindle on Wednesday Ponzi scheme mastermind blank requested an early medical release from prison. Bernie Mehta eight Oh yes and then in. Utah is facing criminal charges after he was caught blanket to get free talk stealing. No he got free hotel rooms by releasing rats. That's in the rooms and then complaining. Police have confirmed that the man executed the scam at at least three hotels but say it's likely he pulled it off often many more he's been charged with misdemeanor. Fraud and felony having a really good idea bill. How did hurry on our quiz already? Got Three right six more points. It's total of eight puts him in the lead all right very good Peter. You're up next. Fill in the blank on Thursday China announced they relaxing blanks on seventy five billion dollars hours of US products tariff right on Wednesday warehouse workers for online giant blank called on the company to improve working conditions Amazon. Right this week. A cruise ship in Japan had to be quarantined after after an outbreak of blank on board old people corona virus citing citing flagging sales sales department store giant blank announced. 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Bill how did Peter Doing our quiz four right eight more points. Total of ten. He moves into the lead. All right. So how many vendors. Amy needs to take this away from them. Amy Needs Three to tie Ford Win all right. This is where the game fill in the blank on Sunday. The Arab League rejected president. Trump's peace he's plan for blank the Middle East right just before his impeachment vote blanks approval ratings reached an all time high donald trump right in retaliation over the city's refugee policies. The trump administration announced. It would no longer lead. Residents of blank enroll trusted traveler programs New York City New York state on Sunday the Kansas City city chiefs beat the San Francisco. Forty niners for their first blank win in Fifty Years Super Bowl right. That's known for his roles in spark his unless for Life oscar-winner blank passed away At one zero three hundred and three Kirk Douglas. Yes the Tennessee. 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Ep 22: Col. Richard Kemp: when fighting evil becomes personal

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Ep 22: Col. Richard Kemp: when fighting evil becomes personal

"Welcome to Johnny Dudes Jigs. Thanks cuddle Richard Kim counter-terrorism expert bestselling author former commander of British forces in Afghanistan a military career spanning three decades in Northern Ireland Bosnia Iraq and Afghanistan. He says he joined the army at eighteen into fight and his pugnacious instincts haven't mellowed in military retirement he remains at combative opponent of what he describes as evil something. He says he's frequently witnessed firsthand and which he takes personally. Richard gave me such a generous amount of time when I visited him in Colchester where he he was educated in the grammar school growing up just a few miles down the road. He still lives in Essex to this day. Colchester England's oldest town is a well-known in garrison and the first thing I saw arriving at the station was a dramatic multi-storey aqueduct of the kind that you see on the Afghan war in Rome. It's a truly English town with a continuous history prosperous with buildings of literally every century in view including a synagogue built around ninety ninety families Jewish life in Colchester can be traced back to the Middle Ages. The earliest record came over eight hundred years ago when someone call benedict of Norwich paid an almighty fine forty pounds for sending goods without licensed to among others Aaron Isaac and Abraham of Colchester Chester Richard says rather than retiring into the distance. He's become more involved in supporting Israel in the numerous organizations he represents and standing square he he says against anti-israel bias in British society he's been accused of being Jewish on the telly although he realizes to receive antisemitism isn't quite the same same as being on the receiving end if is actually Jewish Israel on the audience South have been subjected to the worst slow campaign in the history of out. A Universe never has been such a huge damning slow campaign direct against any country or indeed any group of individuals within that suck. I'm paying a very important part of it is the allegations against the idea of the war crimes genocide even crimes against humanity and what I know as a form of professional soldier you can look at these things with professional and objectively is not just wrong and false. It's also the diametric opposite of the truth. I promise you a thoughtful lucid and considered episode a briefing of current affairs based on the last thirty to one hundred years of history from one the most important voices to emerge from the British military in decades Colonel Richard Cam counter-terrorism expert bestselling author former commander. Everybody Schwartz's in Afghanistan is a real privilege to sit down with you today and thank you for inviting me to Colchester. It's a great pleasure. Thank you for coming a military career. Spanning three decades snow's island Bosnia the ninety-one Gulf War in Iraq and Afghanistan. How does all of that feeling retirement now in the context of the wills moved on today well. It's for me. My career Meiomi career thirty two years of quite eventful. I pretty much managed to get to every combat zone that the army it was fighting and over that period of time with one exception which was the falcons tried hard as I might together. I failed to to make the journey but it yeah I mean I joined the army to fight so I didn't join the sit behind a desk or two sticks temps in Alabama joined the fight. I ended up spending much of my time line involved in fighting evolved during my career starting off with a the tour Northern Ireland commodity between when I was eighteen years of age in Bellevue host at a time when the troubles were actually pretty active still back in nineteen seventy nine when the British army was pretty much in control trolling what was happening we would going through a transition period of the police and there were bombings and shootings every day pretty much at least one a day sometimes more quite a few soldiers getting wounded and then like Mike Mike career transition through a number of eight ending in one in two thousand when I it was commanding an Infantry Battalion in Londonderry at a time move off to the peace process is going through but we still have some incidents such as is disin- terrorist attacks and the great deal of public disorder riot control and then from there we went into pretty much went into the war on terror and most of my career was to that was involved in fighting against the war and tear although I have to say it was mainly from behind a desk where I was working for the Joint Intelligence Committee on countering Islamic terrorism. I did spend six months in Afghanistan understo- in two thousand and three in Kabul but essentially the money you know the other thing I'd mentioned I spent I took part in really one proper proper conventional conflict which was the first Gulf War back in nine hundred ninety one when I was took part in the evasion of all Challenger tank and I think what what I'd say is you know my my career has kind of reflected a transition from the British army refocused over will in two places Germany defending against a potential Russian invasion and Northern Ireland and transition from that into pretty much what we've got today which is the British army focused mainly on countering Islamic terrorism in many different places around the globe today not deployed in the kind of strengths that we were Iraq but nevertheless small groups of people in different countries in Africa the Middle East and other places helping to train and in in helping to enable local forces there to deal with this problem as well as numerous other things drug counter drugs or Cetera so a period of over a period of enormous change hugely launch drawdown but nevertheless a time when you know I think the British army was very much needed back when I joined in the seventies they still need just today and we see the raising threat from Iran the greatest threat I believe leave the world faces today the threat from Russia in the East threat from China which neither of which have materializes I believe they will in due course and of course petro the threat of Sunni Islamic terrorism so the commander of the British forces in Afghanistan in two thousand and three was this toll the culmination of your military experience. You gave up an office job at the time in very senior government to serve them for six months. Was that the highlight all the experience on assigned of your city is before I had many highlights of my career and I would certainly at anytime give up an office job to go and take Mike Posner a military operation. The the great beauty of that job was really two things first of all I was there almost at the beginning of the campaign that's GonNa Stall North at the very beginning but not far off and so we were making it up as rental most miniature operations you join. Maybe the off the beginning on a few years and so you follow rules and procedures laid down whereas in this case I had to make it a lot which was fantastic can make the rules for the day and secondly Mike Ammann was about five thousand miles away and in Buckinghamshire communications weren't always great so it gave me a great deal of freedom of action as well which is well for every command birthing ones now. I asked this question of cuddle. Bob Stewart on the radio a couple of years ago as a man of war I asked him how has that affected. Did your view of humanity but positively negatively. I was trying to draw a line with me in the studio. I've never been to was not equipped to do it. I would love to serve my country in some way but it won't be as an eighteen year old with a gun training. What's your view of humanity negatively impulsively now in retirement having been that purse or take things one that you see the depths of evil an ice. I've seen the depth of evil in a number of places including in Northern Ireland in Afghanistan Iraq an it's a bit different when you experience a witness it talked to evil people yourself rather than just watch on television so I think it gives you great insight and if anything it sort of gives you uncertainty gave me and give me today greater impetus and motivation to do anything I possibly can to counter onto that he because it does in some ways it does become personal and secondly I think I gained a huge insight into the the the quality and the strengths of human character and that was both mainly owed say among the soldiers I commanded modern Ford alongside and different places who are the most incredible people many of them just eighteen nineteen year old kids who do the most amazing things that people who haven't seen it couldn't imagine heroism dedication going well beyond what could be expected them enormous comradeship as well well on the strength of brotherhood and come ratchet but also among some of the members of seven populations that that we've operated tidwell themselves faced with the utmost evil and yet managed to stay optimistic constructive resilient mortified back awesome. Thank you have you liked cuddle ever been tempted by career in politics. Clearly you have very distinct views. He became a Tory empty about you. Roll that would become a Torian pay off AH to be honest. I've had a lot of dealings with members of parliaments and other politicians. I have a great respect for very many of them. Not One of these people as Contessa politician I know that most of them into politics to do something good with in the world many of them frustrated in the ability Russia may change but no it hasn't really interested me and one of the reasons that other kids because I spent my life institutionalized in school and the only and I didn't really want to go to another another kind of constraining institution in which would be part of a hierarchy okay. You can be an independent. Yushi cheap nothing as an independent very ready so I wanted to be my own man and I wanted to to operate without a a hierarchy above me so I can make a decision to call my own shots. Now you have spoken out very clearly as I have actually on Sky News about the Afghan interpreters interpreters who sold British citizenship and also what you call the militia and Disruptive Investigation and prosecution of British soldiers four four suspected criminal acts in Afghanistan and Iraq and as well as the opening of new investigations historically relating to actions of British soldiers many decades in Northern Ireland during the troubles way. Does this come from in British. Politics must make your blood boil. It's a very very dangerous phenomenon and I think I'm right in saying that never before in history has any government abused its own forces in the way that successive British governments have over both Iraq Afghanistan and northern dumped me by that sending them into thought because I believe they should have been sent into fighting all three three of those cases what I mean by that is that they have the government has willingly an arguably even enthusiastically encouraged the the prosecution's. The extensive investigations on spurious allegations and the prosecution of Pretty Sodas when they should not have been obviously if a British show clearly breaks the little oviously that soldier has to be brought to justice version. It's necessary prison for would not argue against insights in any circumstances but there are two real issues first of all the most of the allegations against sodas from Iraq and Afghanistan have proved to be entirely spurious and you could see that right from the very beginning in my opinion the the British government was intent on making examples of these people not because they've broken the law but because they wanted to show government I'm an even handedness as between dealing harshly with Islamic terrorists on dealing harshly with their own people and it was completely wrong home yes if they break the law they should be dealt with harshly but these guys had not broken so so it's what it's all about is appeasement of supporters of Islamic Islamic terrorists in this country and overseas and the same applies in relational the nod shouldn't fame the IRA which is basically a single visitation is trying to rewrite history is trying to rewrite history trae. It's terrorists as peacemakers and liberators and freedom fighters and security forces as presses the direct opposite of the reality and one one way they can effectively you get so into the dog and that's what they're desperate to. The government knows that yet the government goes along with it in order to appease them. so it's all about a payment in both the Middle East Asia and over Nada and the second issue is but and we've seen it for example with marina so our Blackman who was convicted of murder and imprisoned before his appeal was then saw him released for whatever reason there appears to be no serious action or IM- you know no serious account taken of the circumstances under which the fighting now there is a very big difference between a soldier killing somebody who they shouldn't kill and the civilian going out with a knife in south London and sticking in somebody who is the money for trucks that the two things very different if a soldier is obviously doing it deliberately and intentionally in order to murder somebody that is the same thing but people like how blackmun. We're not doing it in that way. They were doing it under enormous stress. There's some pressure of battle but it should be Letizia different thing which the Court of appeal eventually found it was and we have a genuine threat inside our political system system because we have a Labor party who emboldened Tara who emboldened the IRA. What if they're elected the the whole of society is turned upside down? I think the Labor Party is probably the most dangerous political parties serious political policy. This country has seen for many years. Perhaps ever ever because that lead. Derby Coleman is is motivated overall by one thing which is hatred of the United States of America that in turn motivates hatred of Israel and his hatred of the UK the history and traditions of Islam the inclusivity the tolerance onerous and the acceptance of other faiths other traditions and other ethnic groupings within Iran and I think that's something that most most people in the West simply do not understand and my point is that we need to have a much schmo more significant understanding of the history of Iran and Britain's relations with Iran if we're to bring about a new chapter in relations relations that I hope they're going to bring about peace but it's over over his hatred of the USA and the USA of course as Israel or very very strong allies about Eric extremely important business partners. We need them what we don't need a prime minister who takes office and immediately destroys he's decades and in some cases hundreds of years of relationship without potent and that's exactly what call would do he he he has consistently endorsed everything anti partition he supported the IRA he invited IRA terrorists into the House of Commons shortly after that IRA blew up the British cabinet in Brockton. He has described his balloon. Hamas's friends he's being to lay wreaths on the grave of terrorists that were involved vote in the murder of Israeli athletes. I'm certain on day one of his prime ministership should it ever come to that we have been growing that he you would recognize the state of Palestine Israel would then withdraw its ambassador from the UK that would be the beginning of a breakdown of relations between Britain Israel which is is morally unacceptable from my point of view Israel. We have a huge onto Israel. We have huge responsibility for so they they should be placed rent but also my selfish point of view depriving also the connection with Israel is going to in draft citizens because the Israeli intelligence blitz you do a huge amount to support his country including preventing terrorist acts and you're listening to Johnny Jewish state. If you like my regular podcasts please think about making the nation. My podcast is a free. I I WANNA keep you free. Nations really helped me eat them that way. CABOT nations page. WWW dot hatred dot com and slash Johnny Goudie and spoke about his just moments but it also threatens the Britishness of every Jew here and to be presented with a politician who is less patriotic in British terms than me is a shock and it means that as someone who grew up here is socialized in processionists or get all the jokes about rain but on from Birmingham. It's the new the new culture tied to stand on track saying. Is You know where does it where visit leave. What does it leave my patriotism. I'm really proud to be British and I mean he doesn't honor and he does even though he's lived here all his life. Where does it leave me boyfriend. I think I think to sort of I think you did vaguely suggests that as as a Jew you were surprisingly patriotic it surprisingly no. I'm patriotic. Very what I'm saying is patriotic than that. That's not that wouldn't surprise suspect I mean most Jews I've met in this country a foam patriotic the most non rights Humphry yes and if you just you just take for example in a synagogue on a Friday repressed for the queen and their press now. I very much doubt you'll find those in the church. The reason that you know what you I went to a Sunday night service just because I was interested at the end of Sabbath and it was a church of England church I presumed and establishing place and the priest the victim was up the ulcer and he said Lord. Thank you very much for allowing us to convene in this House of worship. We don't take our freedom freedom to practice for granted and we thank you Lord for providing us with a tolerant nation to do it in. I don't think and I go and this is this is this is not only in a Shulami. This is this an I went up to the priest and I said I'm utterly shocked us. This array is this a railing against secularism and they genuinely in meet feel constrained and under threat as well and that really couldn't believe and that that does not my block off as well but of course the the will today certainly Europe and to a lesser extent America has has turned against religion particularly Christianity Judaism but to answer your question about the effect palm the Jewish community here Jeremy Corbyn Prime Ministership. I think he would be unspoken thinkable for him to be elected and I think anybody who votes for him has got to be rooted. Luca Tuck as to as to their their real intent all I find anything that anything that makes the Jewish community here uncomfortable even to me is an aberration is is an important insurance. I you know we don't have to have as a reason isn't that the the Gospel things that happened in the Holocaust and various other attacks on the Jewish race if I can call them a Jewish rice but the the Jewish people anyway but even all that aside the incredible amount of the Jewish people have contributed and continue to contribute to this country in so many different ways is is in many ways the state of Israel the state of Israel is a tiny little country that contributes an immeasurable measure amount to the whole of the world in technology signs innovation business in numerous of numerous other areas and this tiny Linux Jewish community. These countries will make so I would say at least an equal contribution in this country to the Jewish state in the world and just one example goes back a few years now but it's only one of many is is the contribution that Dr Viessmann the WHO is I think at the time head of the Jewish Agency and went on to be president of Israel made winning the first World War he developed a means of of producing explosives which had not was not in with an archaic religious at the time he produced it he invented it his company that and it very much helped us to win the first one example of many and I'm GonNa say right back at you because without a Briton of universal values news of the evolution of its democracy of its monarchy Jews could never probably function here it is thanks to the maturity of British society that the Jews of being able to contribute so that is thank you as well. It's a two way street and hopefully we are not about to CNN too late. I think one thing I would add is that yes yes we all to Israel and we all Jews but also we would extremely important in the recreation of the state of Israel in nineteen forty eight first of all about for decoration nine hundred seventeen which was country. What many people think was not sort of unilateral British imperialist decision. It was a decision that was agreed in advance by the most important countries in the world who we weren't fighting including the United States of America China and Russia although we then reneged on about four declaration of course in subsequent years and the leading up to the Second World War which was to out embarrassment or shame an old so the other thing that people don't consider is that the British on uh-huh forces and the British Empire on Forces Ford Extremely Bloody Battles in Palestine in nineteen sixty nine hundred seventeen nine hundred eighteen to rid the land of the Turks of the Ottoman Empire Nope just Palestine but other countries around it and a lot of British blood was spilled too and had had we not done have we know got rid of them out of that Latin then there's no reason at all to believe the wouldn't still be there now and if they were still there now wouldn't be a Jewish state so I think that's an important thing to remember and Berry might also just as a side note that there was a significant Jewish full topology fudging the Jewish Legion made up of Jews from the United Kingdom the United States Russia from Palestinian south and central but the the other sort of downside I'd add to that is that we we then off having done what we then betrayed the Jewish people by reneging as I said on the bow for decoration physically preventing Jews from entering Palestine at the time of the Holocaust what above away needed somewhere to escape to and in my opinion we would have we had we not adopted that policy which is pressurized by the art we would have probably saved the lives of at least a midday it also Jewish people who died in hopers richards observations tally with those of another guest of Johnny Gould's Jewish state Lord Leslie Turn Berg Download. Unload that episode if you've not heard yet leslie is the author of beyond the Balfour Declaration the one hundred year quest for Israel Palestinian peace and he joined me to discuss discussed bountiful and the formation of the state of Israel Zionism evolved with a number of major vigorously especially but I believe that the Balfour Declaration was important. Holocaust was important why it was important but equally important I believe was the mandate period in the Nineteen Twenties and thirties. That was the time when the state eight could have been lost completely. The Jews were outnumbered ten to one by the Arabs who belligerent and wanted to get rid of them. The British British government was beginning to backslide. It was beginning to have regrets that it had got involved in this turmoil in the Middle East it was was having votes in parliament trying to stop the Balfour Declaration that was before the League of Nations approved it it and even afterwards they were putting a ban on immigration they were putting a ban on land purchase and yet and yet they were giants during that time who ensured that the state idea continued route and in British government they were fortunate to have a Churchill who promoted the cause. My family on my mother's side was saved by Britain. my grandparents arrived in Britain. They didn't know each other before they rightly them ended a friendship club in Birmingham mm and they both came from Vienna Austria. my grandmother arrived in September nineteen thirty eight and my grandfather ride in April nineteen thirty nine because does he was a strong young man and could work kitchen a camp in sandwich say he's one of those four thousand men from Berlin Vienna another firm amazing mazing amazing story of how the best of Britain enabled them to settle down to made to marry to have children how the business and and actually seemed to sort it out that nineteen fifty five. It's just it really is an inspiration to me that they rebuild their lives. Actually not they want that young. you know they were in the falters. Nobody using now you are well known for your unwavering support because I think that's what I was trying to think of a word to describe driving is unwavering for many years for the Israel Defense Forces the most moral army in the world. That's a big shout. What does what does that mean in in practical terms rich it well. I think first thing to say is that the Israel and the idea have been subjected to the the worst slum campaign in the history of out a the universe never has been such a huge damning slur campaign directions any country or indeed any group of individuals choose obviously stopped by the Arabs and taken up in Europe and the United States Grenell's wear against Jewish state within that suck. I'm in pay very important part of it is the allegations against the idea of the war crimes genocide even crimes against humanity and what I know as a former professional soldier who can look at these things with a professional I under- Jesse is that it's not just wrong unfolds. It's also the diametric opposite of the truth. The reality is there is no other army in the world that pays more attention and takes more care makes more effort to save the lives of innocent civilians on the battlefield while remaining an effective fighting force in the idea and I've seen this with my own eyes. I've seen it in God's resting on the border of Gaza in the recent the recent than a year the riots on the border and the and the containment of those rod does it so so it's not it's not just really really forced to to accused is also totally an athlete a hundred and eighty degrees in the wrong direction and I I would describe that that the highest level of their morality Aleki the two things the first compared to other armies and I'm the British of course is also highly moral as as the US only take huge cat but I think the idea probably go beyond that because for these reasons one because every every person who joins the Army Abi in Britain and in the US and most other Western volunteer armies join pretty much because they won't like me they want to fight you wouldn't join the if we're fight a caterer technical calls and center but for the fighting troops you want to fight you wanna be voting fighting and that makes you gung. Ho It makes issue aggressive it makes you you know determined to get in among the enemy if you join the idea if there were very few that a very missile number the vast majority joining one because I have a legal requirement and to because they know they need to defend the country against the stretch on the doorstep and what they WANNA do most of them they wanna be Brit less. They're going to be road builders. They WANNA computer expert software writers engineers doctors whatever whatever their everyone wants to do that's what they want to so. They're not as gung. Ho that not as aggressive. They're not dedicated to the kind of military life as as most professional so now that is not in any way question that aggression enforce effective because but it does give a different a different puts a different type of person in the armed forces and the second reason is the religion Judaism. Now I know on you know that I think I'm right in saying that the the practicing Jews are in the minority in Israel but nevertheless Judaism has a strong and direct influence throughout his party including in the idea in a way that our religion hit does not have in person any longer once it would have done today doesn't and I think those two factors I mean the the idea has argued say supreme levels of morality when it comes to particularly particular culturally and religiously as you as you put it and indeed maybe the most important word in the name of the Israeli army's defence it his defense of land. It is not aggression. It is about defending wants land and even one's own family because they literally don't have room to mess up. I just wanted to ask this this year earlier this year you joined a protest rally for equal rights at the United Nations at the Plastic Nacion Geneva Switzerland Switzerland led by Hilo Moya's UN watch against anti-israel bias. How has the U N come to this. I've spoken at the United Nations even rights council in plenary sessions on four separate occasions now the first one being in connection action we that Goldstone report back in two thousand nine or thereabouts and what I've found that has been horrified find it would have been at the United Nations in between various stages of the debate so I've been around spoken to various ambassadors from different country country informally and I've heard some of the law is downright lies ignorance assistance spewed out by them about Israel awesome what they meant by an every single case none of them could back it up. It's just a national in in many cases a national desire to abuse Israel and that's in some cases caused by malign intent and in some cases by ignorance but but it's not the there's no there's no reason or rhyme behind that if it in March twenty nine thousand nine Richard joined a rally and spoke outside the UN headquarters in Geneva protesting protesting for equal rights and against anti-israel bias organized UN Watch Executive Director Hilo Neue. We are here today day to demand what the United Nations Charter promised in one thousand nine hundred forty five when the United Nations was created the U. I and promised equal rights for all men and women and equal rights for all nations large and small but when we come I'm here to the United Nations when we stand here at the Human Rights Council and I was just there this morning we see something that is not consistent consistent with this promise. We've looked for equal rights but we see a human rights council that is supposed to speak for victims of the world's worst violations Sion's but instead zero Algeria zero on China's zero on Iraq zero on Pakistan's zero zero on Russia zero on Turkey Erkki Zero in Venezuela zero on Zimbabwe. We see that the whole world the whole world was addressed last week under agenda item four numeral cat cat civil zone and today Israel alone alone is criticized for an entire day the only country in the world that is the focus of its own day. Its own debate bates. It's own agenda item. Not North Korea Not Syria not Sudan is treated in this way and so. We're here today not to say that Israel is perfect. It can be criticized but to say what is happening here at the United Nations is discrimination inequality it is a violation of the UN Charter. It's a violation of the Human Rights Council promise so all we're asking here is to ask the United Nations to live up to its own promises and we're here to say enough. Enough is enough. We're demanding equal rights and nothing more and nothing less so the deck. She can never be reformed. I think thanks just a set of plebiscites antisemitism. I think the UN Security Council because of its unique nature having the five the permanent members that were assigned to the Security Council meeting all I is a is a little bit different that's quotas problems but something the UN Human Rights Council and other you and body's UNESCO's which have representation from countries that all the diametrically okay opposed to the state of Israel's existence and other countries which just automatically school them. You'll never get that changed I say we're changing even though the you know the of course the Arab world been the main anti-israel aggressives for since the gration take time before but today many countries in the Arab world including Saudi Arabia Oman you a he and other countries Egypt and serve goals Egypt and Jordan of course now whether they admitted to unawed old very very closely aligned with Israel cooperate with Israel getting a huge amount from the corporation for their own security and defensive whether their economies movies but even despite that an actually incidentally that is not something they haven't just fallen with Israel. It's a tactical realignment because they they says being their interest but even without we we will not see any trace the UN human rights council indeed that idea if advantage that you mentioned attention there if I can call it now because it's also a regrettable one is regular combat experienced cooperation with the Rif was on that very basis as we shared the same fighter jets but it certainly is used them in actual defense in combat and you've tapped into the experience yourself over many years defense defense against suicide bombs. Remember conversation that you had that I was witness to the chew hurriedly wrote down British Army policy shout to deal with suicide bombing when you met a senior Israeli general in a hotel lobby for better write this down. This is going to be the draft that I'm going to released for the the my Meiomi well not only did I already down here. Toby maximum hotel will be because he was commanding a brigade in the Golan Heights at the time and he was the man demand by the idea to be the number one expert suicide bombing and he flew to the UK specifically to make me to share expertise Adler request of the I'm ready embassy in London which was something he didn't need to do because they already have experts in. London is subject and they could have given me one of then they were experts but not as good next but as he was yet so they sent me best an and that was to me was something that I will never forget and save lives of many British soldiers. It's now pretty much in the original form is now still the British Ali policies country suicide recycling attacks and to save laws many pretty sodas and it's also negative policies day sexual say Loiseau other sources within NATO thanks to the you know the the idea of going out for the needed to and only exercise you mentioned in the UK the Eric Society it was a historic event because it was the first time in history that Israeli Defense Force combat aircraft deployed to the UK and exercised in the UK with UK other allied forces which is a remarkable progress in the history of the state of Israel well. I would say one thing that the cooperation between the idea from the British forces is extremely close and has been for quite a large a number of years. It's not as prominent for his high profile is that between for example the idea from the US or Britain has bothered is nevertheless extremely close is the reasons not not kind of shouts about from the rooftops as I believe should be is because of the political sensitivities in other words the weakness politicians additions were afraid to admit that cooperating with the idea now you on that man in the middle of the establishment coming up with outspoken positive views and actions in and among fellows fellows who don't like what you do through this anti-israel bias. That's tiring. Isn't it or do you think I know. I'm right on cracking on this new. You're in the heart of this. I enjoy it a horrible thing to say but I I've been in the years. I've I been involved since I left the army in publicly speaking and commenting and writing about this subject I've been subjected into some very very nasty anti Semitic abuse even though I'm not Jewish. I'm sorry to say that likely because I know that is a very different thing to be subject to. Anti Semitism the Jewish from being subject seven if you are Jewish and how to live with the whole thing without any choice in the matter minus thirty more through choice but I do like the fact that I'm subject to abuse so do like the fact that I was put the intelligence of discovered my name on an Ala try to hit missed a few years ago which is something I'm actually quite proud of because in the same way as the Anti Semitism and the other hate I get it shows owes me that I'm saying and doing the right thing because I mean raging the people that need to be enriched churchill quote you ever made an enemy. Get a good. You know why because you're doing the right thing. Have you ever saw thought. Actually this is extremely awesome. I'm I'm not Jewish. I don't have to do this. I mean for me as you say. This is my epicenter of course their own self eighteen choose people who don't like Israeli within the Jewish community. Do you ever you think actually I'm retired now. I should tend to my garden in my Home County of Essex and just enjoying life of it more than defending these crazy people flown away or something crazy people but actually I mean most most military under todd military blind date from the forces have the same view of mine. it's not unusual. It's not uncommon tool and one of the main reasons they have that because because yes like the rest of the British population they get their mind polluted by the media agenda against Israel which is so common in this country particularly broke awesome radio but they also have direct experience themselves of the kind of enemy that Israel is fighting and so they understand and they'd model respect the idea if I would say okay that the audience is very very high on the list of respected on forces for most pretty sodas but the reason you here it very much is because most people have got more sense than I have and they do want to go in that garden and and living easy and a quiet life and you can't blame after career of fighting the only seven in my case I mentioned I joined the because I wanted to fight in my experience and they all did encounter some very great depth of evil. Now I do have an incentive and a desire lights accounts about evil and I do see the Anti Israel lobby and worse anti-israel terrorists and extremist. I I do see them. As being an evil needs to be counted and also I see the state of Israel as being an entity that needs to be supported for for various reasons. I have an always have throughout my life admire the Jewish state and their own forces even even before I joined the army. I knew I still am on this day and I'd mow the jurors stays and everything is done in the most incredible diversity chievements. They may have been phenomenal. They have the same western Liberal Democratic philosophies. We do an does need to be supported against all comers but also in addition to that got the idea after fighting our fight they are fighting at the spit point of the war that we're fighting against those people want to destroy our society thoughts and our way of life and even if it wasn't for things. I would be as actively possibly could be in fighting that fight with Israel as it's best to protect our country our which brings me onto the next Pronoun which is Iran which is approximately what so you might be referring to that in that statement it's fighting proxy wars wherever it can against Sunni targets and indeed through Hesba and cameras against Israel Israel. What do we do with Iran. What does president trump do with your own ever since the nineteen is not a revolution. Russian wrong has a key talent of that revolution was opposition to the US death the death of the United States a key talent of that revolution ever since then it has been effectively at war with the United States undeclared war a war that has sometimes fled into actual violence shore intended volumes and sometimes to other things and also it's been more with the United States is is of course including the United Kingdom and including Israel Israel has been its primary focus in the region. an IT's an it's leaders have repeatedly declared the intention to Nyla the state of Israel. So what one of the problems that we face today with Iran is the Barrack Obama the loss president of the US decided to appease Iran by concocting with them a so-called nuclear deal which which was portrayed as being something would prevent an Iranian nuclear weapon system but of course have the opposite effect of paving saving the way to Iranian nuclear weapon system under the same time funded with billions of dollars funded what is now Arabians Iran aggression across the region that had to be terminated. Both of those things had to be terminated say president trump pulled off the Jason Peo- The new to do. I'm more disappointed say Britain hasn't in European countries have them but I hope they will under Britain wants to but Britain's Britain's attitude yeah that is complicated by its car negotiations with the EU which makes it difficult city could do this up to thirty festival augury that McCain argument so the the the you say wash it president trump do well. I think he should do what he's doing now which is to maintain retain and tighten sanctions economic sanctions against Iran attack it economically and diplomatically and do everything he can to try and encourage European countries to do this. I joined because the reason we're seeing this aggression in the Middle East. Now we're reading sitting the tanker attacks acce the reason we sitting the the the attack on Saudi Arabia's oil is all of that is aimed at one thing. It's aimed at your it's intended intended to show Europe that there is a price to pay if they don't do both of fully two things one do not impose sanctions on Iran and to to persuade the US to lift sanctions view that pressure on the US so that's what he's saying that all the while Europe equivocation appeases and doesn't come come down Hoffner wrong. We will see this aggression continue. I also believe that they're all military opens. It should be we used against Iran. Maybe they have already been used against her on because a lot of military operations these days an example set by Israel as you do something but then shouted attic attic so maybe that's already happened but I said anything it should be an option that president trump and the UK also using the future and another conflict like the seems to have boarded the media and doesn't get covered anymore is the Syrian civil war which rages on with death and destruction just northeast of Israel. What threat to world peace is there in Syria and what threat to Israelis because actually the it doesn't seem to be anymore. Is it just sort of carry only yeah. I mean it's terrible yeah. Yeah I mean occasionally glimmer of interest but not very often and you can see just as an example that the of that imbalance in media coverage of various things related to Middle East you can see absolute media outrage and horror wall to wall coverage if people killed on the border with goes by the idea a couple of people yet thousands of being killed in Syria and as you say ignore so I think in terms of what it what it represents first of all Ooh Iran together with Russia have ensured the survival of president aside for the time being anyway and his regime will I think continuing he will gain control of already already game regained control regained control most of it and that of course is given Russia a huge boost in its prestige ah home at least and also in its ambitions for future similar adventures because Russia Putin obviously has his aw to reestablish the glory of the Soviet Union in any way you can and this is Paul and secondly is giving me wrong and numerous pigs because Iran now has a foothold in a bigger full before he Syria and is attempting to Syria effectively into bridgehead in which you can attack Israel with a land bridge being built from Iran through Iraq through Syria to the Israeli boarder as well as the front front that faces Israeli eleven and so those those are the two or three of the effects. I think what we see in the third one is is is the enormous refugee problem we have. Europe today which had been corrected by the situation which incidentally would have been a great deal words. A great deal was if it wasn't for Israel which has in effect prevented similar collapse in Jordan by its support for Jordan and also argument in Egypt which is prevented invented a further influx of massive number of destabilizing refugees coming into into your Richard my first ever entity when the series was with Sajjan and Benjamin Anthony and retired Brigadier General Amir about the new state solution to summarize the creation of Palestinian state in Gaza and North Sinai with Judea Samaria becoming Israel Jerusalem's holy Muslim sites would remain the under the auspices of Jordan's Hashemite Kingdom but they would be no forced repatriation movement movement of populations which what do you think of the new state solution or first thing I'd say is. I think Benjamin ads news a fantastic very good friend of mine. He's a great fighter both in war and in the media and the public opinion for the state of Israel the new stake solution like like any any proposed proposed solution to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is worth considering seriously i. I'm well aware of disgusted within many times. I think it's a genuinely viable option. I however have the degree of skepticism about whether wherever gun to see any solution to the situation and the reason I say that is because I do not believe that the Palestinian and leadership or the gauze or in the westbound won't piece. They don't want a solution. They're the only thing they won't is. The inauguration of the Jewish state and wall Latte remains requirement on that priority. It's hard to see how any solution will prevail title but I certainly think that the new state solution is as I say worth considering and if it was implemented even partially could well and there are other solutions. I do the same thing could well kind of change. The the international agenda as far as Israel may be rebalancing against the constant condemnation of the jurisdiction Richard One foot forward and the world's perspective changes there. Thank you so so much feel time today so thank you.

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Ep. 245 | From Motor Mechanic to Selling James Packers House! - Chat with Michael Pallier

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Ep. 245 | From Motor Mechanic to Selling James Packers House! - Chat with Michael Pallier

"Welcome to the property couch where each week you get to listen to two of australia's leading experts bryce humble way host of location location location australia on extols lifestyle channel and escape from the city on the a._b._c. and ben kingsley cherif property investors council of stralia and the founder of the two thousand eighteen property the investment advisory firm of the year or effects during the catch wink minute auburn you the inside is gonna probably finance and money management. Thanks for mocking head. While you yourself is a dot com every told me before he gets on stage to route saying then you gotta yeah that's you. Might you wanna make me redundant my you're more than welcome to kick it off. If not it'll be a wall but it will happen to continue to be the surgeon my interest put the gloves on coming up tonight bras all let's get uncomfortable. Is that what you let's. Let's get very very clear on what's going on here tonight. Been we've got a very special guest very special guests <hes> but before forget the a couple of things housekeeping son stop non tips ben fifty one margin the best while down hawks so let's it illiterates nine yummy losing again now. Go laskey guy moma. Now wasn't oskaloosa really enjoying well. It's dissipating really enjoyed teams. We've got lots of injuries but we still manage to be v so something and play the whole season at the m._c._i. J. the team that never travels for travel. Departments can always come mind can drop the drop for you want to taste success much. If you walk highlights on grandfathered. I wanna tie success. How do i guy with calling pretty good. We're going to sixteen seventy reflection dropped a little bit. They're not going to work pretty good. We've had any other calls for the eastern the competition so the history of the v i think close to the i fell to so <hes> reach out to the stig at info at the probably catch we will make sure you get a book. Look of your choice well. Dan greg tipping that week or do <hes> fiftieth coming been. It's it's not a eh be huge huge huge. Let's sit so if we can't get your department tonight. Show side so if china's i of course in the next couple of shows and we ask everyone for their tips then you realize that i wasn't able to get the person taught. Let's let's let's do backup or let's let's look at you and because we do you get the call so i fucked. Let us know <hes> who you think would be great for the tooth fifty and then it's not the sweden doesn't deliver that we might be out to get them on at another time anyway exactly and we want people can select guest now. She's not coming. That's coming so if you go to facebook and let us know now who that might be just in case we need help you out and before we got into a very special guest tame banished from salmon cynic scenic the power do if <hes> <hes> fawn wa if you haven't youtube d- somen scenic and he's why go to lockwood stuff's maas we might even <hes> stig <hes> she got in the shar notes and the shine is such that but he's got this quite think it's really good. I think it's really good for property investors to sort of think about themselves in in in the peer group and their family so here we gotta quit never give up trying to build the world you can see even if others say it been listen to your drum and you're only it's the one that makes the sweetest sound so when property investors don't give up. I sure that you played your drum ben. Even if the other people cannot see what you're doing <hes> and if you applaud the principles we've talked about two hundred and forty four after today two hundred forty five episodes go to the beat of your own drums or locked up in on thought it'd be worth while sharing without grip today and i think it's a <hes> a good thing to set us up for the very special interview we have with mark appel yup yes and before we get to that we did have to record a little early but you and i were up at these trying to russa conference difference in mine in june and <hes> he got up on stage and what was really <hes> obvious about markle was was he deals in the world of real estate industry but humble just delivered the facts and we were not disappointed. <hes> when we go changed changed chat with us check. Let's cut now to interview with markle paalea i._b._m. Going very special guests. We have an interview with markle talia. He is the managing director of sydney. Sotheby's international realty <hes> that's an elite agency that handles the style of luxury residential harms and rural property surat new south wales and the australian capital territory since nineteen ninety seven marco has personally negotiated in excess of a thousand eastern suburbs luxury hyme siles on behalf of his clients. He sows include the most expensive harm ever sold in stride breida the most expensive time ever sold at auction in australia and the most expensive residential land ever sold per square may not straight up since the start of two thousand and thirteen markle has personally soaked thirty six times in excess of ten million dollars h. and forty eight harms in in excess of nine million dollars. H that's quite a savings they welcome to the property caps markle us. Thank you. Thank you very much ben. Thank you brought a couple of things. I i actually do so my suspension. I must sell the second most expensive homes and i check my figures yesterday as of yesterday in the last five what years i've sold a key to i._t. To properties for inaccessible <unk> <hes> not million dollars h._r. So on yesterday nine million fifty and that chris the times in the last five each while let's let's make a night that that's that was straddle. Fuel whipsawed markle so on the <unk> there for you but thank you haven't might have just just a little bit thank you. That's impressive. <hes> how does that feel to to sort of been albert facilitate. <hes> you know the successful homes from someone to to facilitate that total china. What does that feel. She's go to just i just always think about the knicks element that often so i was thinking about your unused goodison exile so i try to keep a very good reputation and and just make sure that we people really would service and be great transparent glycel's find that formula would say well north and i guess before before we dive into some of the specifics ben want to jump in with questions of his on am can you can you take back to the beginning. <hes> tell us tell us you know <hes> before you were someone who had wrecked up the impressive <hes> transaction numbers <hes> takes back to how you got started in property in the first plus <hes> yes well. I'm actually motor mechanic by training sir. I started my working life in nineteen at start nine ninety four at rolls royce dealership in and i if all rolls royce mercedez fourteen years i spent seven years in the workshop and then seven years in the is house <unk> selling the cows so i learnt sri selling the qasr had closed the deal that was most important thing so when you selling cows people coming showroom like look around and then you have to identify a suicide by or that just spend the often having look like house and if you can then identify that and then late you know god through the type of collie looking for what i say close the deals that means you can get the order form signed and make sure they happy the most important thing and then hopefully they'll tell their friends and they'll come back. Nobody will cause and the transfer barn cows and this is a great sign ziegler walk south china. I listen to him many many years ago. Ziegler american sales china <hes> he says sales sells. You can have anything in life you want. If if you just help enough other people get what they want so silence is just about helping people to get what they want and that's what i've always tried to do and it seems to be quite successful formula and it means that people are happy when they don't huge oh come at you and that's what it's all about. It's all about retake business. We locked that quote. It's actually one that we put it in a book but <hes> ben ben. I'm not sure how we're gonna tic tac <unk> when you're wanting to jump in for a question sorry sure we'll off the question that most listeners will wanna know that intro is what were the values of those high in properties in the end the value of land your square meter. I think we we've lift them hanging long enough hunting. It's taunt defy what is a square later expensive good elaine in australia and <hes> and tell us a little rabat some of those other now yes so when i sold that land that was in bisbee shots think it was at the time study straight thousand three hundred thirty three dollars square meter for the land that it's quite high right. I saw that ad auction that property it was a very competitive auction so and the most expensive ominous. I think what i saw that that was back in two thousand sixteen tusk when inter i think over fifty thousand dollars swimming that was important tom. That's incredible at the highest value property that you've <hes> you've been able to t- million seventeen million well. There is a backstory were that mauka because <hes> <hes> been his you recently talk about this particular style and it's a very well known <hes> strident businessman can you can you take back to to the story as told it up on the gulf coast into hymns of deals was a hun- james peck out the seventy million dollars that would co waged result <unk>. First person that we shouted through was in goal clues at the time. That was the most expensive time that ever sold in australia now. <hes> the the reason that i had the least from that property was that chimes pekka end. He's go friend. <hes> you know about living years ago bought a hunch from invoke invoke loose and a small hand for just four million dollars and over very nice to deal with and then i got a cool after the home was purchased from james girlfriend who went on to become his wash erica and actually from hawaii and she said look. We're having a potty tonight. Just settled on this house and it's eric's. His birthday and james is coming toddy and she was the p._i. Was a bit nervous and she said look just going around the house and i've had that's all the balloons are up and all that kind of just going into the pad room and i've realized as cracking the middle of the toilet seat and she said i can't you know kind of these potty. You people going into the bathroom and cracking the toilets say she said. Can you help. He is anyway can help you get a plumber discipline. So of course i'm excited mechanic. We'll try is like four company off in the potty was starting. I think is six so i soak not signed from the house now. I haven't spent his mukasa just pop every night. Toilets eight offer night ren down to buntings. I checked the various toilet matched up to the one that was <hes> had we ran back to the house and i put the new toilets sale name and going to make sure to let her go happy. Open pay. I said in you know really great that you did this and you know erica said thank you very much and <hes> i really appreciate it so then a few and then i heard nothing more from enough to that i took it. The potty was success in erica ended up eventually marrying james and then they had children and then they wanted to get a home so <hes> i bought this massive house invoke lose and by the thirty million dollars for the old house and then they spent about forty million dollars and they don't brand new house on the side it was a massive house was like all vows equipment is internal six levels and had a full size movie metering cited to kitchens regions <hes> to leave it had a beauty parlor like ladies college dogra house and it was beautiful so <hes> they didn't have a long ended up selling the house so i got a cool ben from <hes> gentlemen network james peck say look though really impressed with the way that you goff's when they go out on the house clues cheese ago and they appreciate everything that you did for them and <hes> we'd like to sell the house can come up and have a look at it and i got appointed along with another agent to sell it and we're very lucky wish at one person and they go to seventeen dollars trespass to the house and it was just great so great experience. Do you get intimidated by the the zeros or is it just another transaction where you're transferring the name on taro so from one to the other kazaa for mice people listening to this the idea of <hes> even letting seventy million into mind is is extraordinary but your you're dealing in not necessarily that's by diabetes in in large numbers. Every day is it. Is it any more or less intimidating or is it just an extra zero to you. I i don't really think about the value of the probiotic were about in. Will the property suit who what's the market weren't gonna end i and then what else is available so yeah. It seems to me like it's no whether i sell a one bedroom unit seven hundred thousand or seller seventy million dollars <unk> experiences signed because women's buying the property. It's usually pretty big thing for them to buying it and secrete stunning so all i'm doing is facilitating the purchase <hes> i is selling the rolls royces i came out of the workshop and into the sales department and my boss there in the south so problems greek wouldn't. He said he said this is a very easy job. He said there's lots of people out there with what's money you just have shown on a recent in money and he said base rolls royces and bentleys. They're pretty he could raise him some money to twist hot spoiled sows and and spend the money and i meant at the i i always did gentlemen walked in the door. The wife and con just had misao. I i and it was <hes> it was just a good experience from diwan sir it when he explained that to me. I didn't worry too much about value for property overcome. It was more about on and then. I'll just make sure i intern so i'm selling the house right next door now to that asks us seventeen million nets sixty million and it's essential person we don't have to put that <hes> malinche vet property in the show nights people to check it all yes as insight <unk> closes magnificent magnificent uniform the owner of that hymies. I used to bentley so two years ago. So that's how i urge you not anymore. Wiser dot search transactions in family you search right. I always think <unk> are great. Answer headed that transition happens. We the bentley stores and selling rolls royces awesome amounts tops. Things had you transition to real estate. Tell us tell us about that. I was selling mercedes s. Five hundred <hes> that's expensive supersize <hes> to gentleman and his wife came back from living in america other originally from stripes and i was driving out to the new paradigm thinks that's in the western suburbs. That's websites bins. You know twenty years ago at the warehouse. They can be expensive. 'cause they wouldn't have showroom was a bomb on store at some driving its allies try on and <hes> he's fine ring and he bought a house in that this particular would clinton and twenty three's nine point seven million dollars for this house and at the time it was the most expensive house emma sold in australia back then and he got off the phone and he said to me you know i'm getting better service on this cobb and i got fine that house and he said why. Are you arresting tom selling cars. He said in the sign comments he said just the parts different. So why don't you sell houses rather than so ause. He said bigger transaction might more money. You say in your shoes on gun so i'd never thought about it until i thought that client this is one of my clients aunts and <hes> we still watch racing that i got into real site by the time i got out on the couch some anything about selling houses but i'll give it a guy well. That's a good point that you might. You didn't know anything about selling houses. I mean is the is the transit because the the sales process and the dealing with people is is the same to a certain extent but the product knowledge that is off never sold properties in in your patch little own any patch batak and imagine that the the differentiation between the tops of properties on offer and some of the extravagance offer i mean at what was locked in the dice troy new <hes> trying to get that product knowledge because i knew how to sell them but you knew the class but <hes> the bit that you weren't <hes> five with was was forced the real estate. What does that look like in. The dis dis first couple of years yeah. That's a very good question what i did. I i knew nothing about. I knew nothing. I did the real estate <hes> coast before that. I did three years two nights a week. <hes> the real estate coast attack so i had pretty good knowledge all the tight whips on the practical side. I didn't know very well ninety nine mock it very well what i did the first three months. I saved up enough money so i was seen so you know. I wasn't married or anything so i wasn't a big spender anything so i had enough money saved up so i could last for threes didn't sell anything that was said no ed what happens a wench <hes> get out of these threes but if i'm a terrible sal you're at it'll get back into the cows threes for the first three months. I didn't so anything on basically just went around to pick the patch. I wanted to working in sydney and a pig from what since by two point and that's you know double by will clues bellevue hill areas real tough neighborhoods has well that was where all my clients <hes> had the ecology say so no and i so i thought well i'll just go to as many respects that i can to try and see what's available in houses and then i'll follow the auctions now see what they sold for and i do that three months nonstop and i basically go to greg practically of what was selling what what house was telling you which traits and all that kind of thing and was terrific so it really guided me a good background and then after that i started added to. I was very lucky. I got one side. I got one pen test so from one of my cock lights and option that and sold and it went really well yorkshire way. I have reserved. I thought well if i can do that. I can do it again and then i got another only staying and then then by the end of that year i was very lucky listed a house ask in queens park. Which is my suspensory stripe one of my uncle chinese clients so what i did. I was before the internet base. It was not a ninety seven so basically i <hes> i had a mile. I mailed out to my class. You know information on properties and things so then let them with my client. A cop ones the ma in nineteen ninety seven. We have stop. Manga crashed at the end of ninety seven and the mocking guide so what happened was. I wasn't getting a lot of listings because i just started in the industry but i knew that attribute chip clients houses <unk> options rather agents and no running agency so i called up the clients i said look i represented roles. Sir sightings of great place to represent so house had nothing to lose because that went getting a result because it was so she was getting the house to sell so one of them. Was this housing coin typo. I listed it auctioned at and i sold seven point three odd million that was the most expensive house sold that year. That was emotion soon. <unk> said was nautical written sydney morning herald about as young push enlisted his house they come from no way they auctioned as i sold it and men often that was led gators english ring me up about selling properties and from that i own would just never moved back just had lots and lots of silence and i. I just went really hot for the honest. I've always worked the best interest of the ana. I mean even to the point where i often cited. <unk> wouldn't propose. Let's hold and think we can get more or sometimes got cold enough. You know i don't recommend you should still now. Maybe hold ups for couple of his personal circumstances. Open that want to get a second opinion ask you you know what's your opinion show. I still now should hold so you could just give people the writings nation a comeback to your angelos deals. You and it's going to hold you in good stead rod so hell can for some abell for some of our listeners. They wouldn't necessarily understand the mechanics of even how a real estate agent works because essentially you'll pitching yourself with might be in your case not many but typically two or three agents and then if if you are successful at the style you will then get pied and if you're not successful the south generally you don't get paid but sam can you take us into the mind of some some of the people that you're dealing with who have seven point three five million dollar house. What is their mindset. What is what's it like <hes> dealing with them and and <hes> diamant tim get phone calls with wealthy people i o cache contracts on a lot of finance the properties but they have assets may on instant against so doc. I have a client who's in the nineties and i know he's gone over one hundred million dollars worth of property and he was telling me recently that he still got debt on some of his properties hippies. It's nine hundred and i said to why have debt when you're united because unlimited because the market is rising so he said it's not good business sense not have against my companies because his argument is east got one hundred thirty million dollars worth of property of which he's got. Maybe one hundred million dollars not borrowed and then he's born thirty million. If that goes up in price rising values site i simply he's ahead of the inflation right so it gets wealthier. Multi-member years the result having no atlantic right listen on such a inspirational persons means ninety cents to doing that so so a lot of people have debt <hes> against property because i know that leveraging on property but not over liberty. It's actually better than actually not having the days. Does that make sense long-term. Does that make sense wessler. Explain it because the market is rising. Saint long-term dow's bockel on minute something that we're very big on we talk about it as cash on cash ashburton so ultimately about controlling the asset not necessarily ironing and outlawed at the stop. <hes> we get a lot of questions <hes> from al al listeners around when you're retired you need to be free and in some cases <hes> you know living off the pasaden- come you don't necessarily after saw the hall get app now. It's about <hes> what about sort of income target that you're looking to achieve. I i think that that's a wonderful story. Highlights there that you know <hes> there's evidence of mindset and this evidence of what wealthy people do and that is yeah putting their money to work and and in our sharing that unsought we may just now. He's buying a valid. I'ts through the what i think in regards to deny that long to imply as you assign fool cool you just mentioned saint <hes> as a sort of averaged. Have you ever done some analysis on tom evening. Working in these exclusive aries he's way obviously land is very tightly held very exclusive. <hes> do you sort of have a rule of thumb in regards to what you think. The capital grozny has bang for the properties that you've been out transacts r._v.'s yeah i think it would be at least i send possibly more well that asks an assault in nineteen nineteen was almost ninety ninety eight facade at the end of ninety seven and ninety eight so got housing <hes> wilson christian point seven in points right odd million that has today conservatively without any work being worst inaccessible forty million dollars at syon house in the same anna earns sign house so if you went out from twenty twenty one years ago passes going seven point straight partner two innings of forty million dollars in that korea and the person that boy that house ed jimmy's time he's on the rich two hundred list supposed to bury st probably toasted. He said some the timing it. I know it tied in points. Regard million many senate went belong in his house with ten millions of mark. My words and that has diet can exist for you. That's in what she said. Trump a lot of people that are wilsey by just understand they can look into the future and they can backdate judgments and they understand in their mind what will happen mm-hmm and then they put themselves in a position so that they can take advantage of san rising market and you've got to believe the market's going to keep going up without going crazy zt because to do well longtime trumpy because if you didn't believe that you would never make any number on the property snowing correct and i think that really really does rise at a fundamental point way a lot of mindset baria folds into all probably process concave going up and up the days an example <hes> an asset at seven million dollars when people for all of us. That's unaffordable <hes> to now be worth forty. Not million dollars is relative and we talk about that in regards to ripple effect of valuations of land in the scarcity assets and the upkeep har. Ah i mean there are a lot of wealthy around the planet but this not an abundance owes all van. I grind property like we're talking about. Now that shoot <unk> fortune two hundred person <hes> understood that and he's he's mindset allowed in taika calculated added risk. It's still a risk calculated risk in terms of backing his judgment banking's expertise backing his knowledge to do that so whether it's a seven million dollar property agree or a three hundred and fifty thousand dollars property in that one died at three hundred thousand dollar property will be a million dollar property people have got to on the stain that an and what this is great for us in terms of some of the listen joel learning from a rich that the wealthy people in this country in terms of the monster that i hold and how they go about some executing on on their decisions and to to build wealth yes. I tried initially look at a strike. What gives me a lot of confidence. If you look at a strive sydney melbourne i think the growth is projected. Gross is around one hundred thousand people extra every will us <hes> cities after the next five to ten years. I think that's correct so as you quite rightly said if you look at the price patients like porn with us in little peninsula a a small number of houses they and neither private schools to place a paper with money wanna leaving so i can't say as the population grows rose that this will rule will not always be a place in for one and in other wealthy will always live bed and because of the internet. I really noticed lust in us by seemed to be making a lot more money. I think if you look at the rich two hundred list united twenty years ago and look at it now it's much higher <hes> <hes> wilson rich richest two hundred people and i think a lot of it is created by technology and internet and it's might transactions pasta and in people have become a lot wealthier and then population's growing so you've got a lot more people that are lot wealthier wanting same houses in the best positions and that's that's what's driving the price up and i can't say that went continue to drop cross up as tom and that's roy bence the hockey stick of capital garage thought so you know the capital growth stages must either sign but the exponential growth thi- git so whether they're holding assets and and that probably leads to my next question walkling and round win win these big la buying these <hes> very very expensive properties. I saying them as investments or they really look at a looking past that now this is i lost all purchase as opposed to an investment wants to sort of knicks of mindset that you'll buys that you say going through. That's a really great question my assessment over more expensive properties because oh tax situation situation at the moment in australia as far as you can have one principal residence without having to pay any capital gains tax on it <hes> a lot of people look at by the hon <unk> listens. I'd say fifty percent as investment in their mind and fifty percent for enjoyment so it's one. What else can you buy you. You can enjoy in rice family. You can sell you might money out of any pine nuts excellent this. I didn't know any sort of matches that criteria you buy our all right appreciate some value by planet by boat appreciates. You know maybe out that could be another thing that people buying enjoying comprised. They're very true things that you can buy you can enjoy it will also make money and not have to pay tax on so it's probably the greatest investment income mike because because of all the actors would you agree with that absolutely yes i it doesn't ring true for me and the people who guideline <hes> come to that that conclusion in their mind type actional nadan you know we we refer to knowledge is empowering but underneath you act on these people have studied history history. They've looked at scarcity. I understand the principles. Caissoti adams deigned the the upside finished versus the risk and neither residential the property is traditionally low risk now bearing in mind in lodge economic downturns. I'm some of the wealthiest <hes> i usually to be impacting this some more volatility in the top of the market than than most other marketplaces because of that affordability story but you wash pass that in like old things things i go through sought olsen guys <hes> you know really prosperous economic saw and and these properties not only recovered but again thriving in fact when we look at the daughter in the eastern suburbs of sydney aden's for these correction. There's a lot of suburbs and a lot of companies in that area that haven't really been affected by the c._d. Downton act compared to other markets where they were rejected saw that comes back to add supply and demand and that scarcity good old side of mindset of the bar in that area so i couldn't agree with you more mock. Oh i think you're right. I think if you're if you're listening to augustine you wanna make good investment in residential real estate. I think the golden rule is the new <unk> employment number one a need public transport and be in an area where people wanna leave and it's not a huge amount of supply and then look a gross rights <unk> coming to that area is the population rising and if you can say yes to all of those things in pretty much onto took vestment. That's my read on it and luckily the that i went into mason so it'd be it takes hold size box and should continue to do that in the future so i mean if you went to buy property in detroit michigan in america that's the big motorcity and that's where the closing industry you know and there's a lot of crime there and people moving out of there because i haven't been in the last place you'd be wanting to invest in you wanting to coachman area. That's growing vibrant renton there in in either upgrading and the infrastructure is improving and she can bind is areas. You can't really go to would you gentlemen both agree with that. Yeah we definitely agree. It's <hes> you know we've been talking for four and a half years on the same principle so it's nice denied that <hes> even at the top end that matches <hes> old real estate across the market you you touched touched on an international reference there and i'm particularly kane as i did a little bit of background <hes> research brought to this <hes> to to this chap markle notice i that <hes> you're married to a chinese national you <hes> you commented that you open the door and shake clauses it so you very much a tame <hes> and and you you get a lot of international buys buying to the sydney marketplace what y y is a strident <unk> attractive to them and how do we figure in the in the world landscape is a place for these people with large budgets won't that you make money say some a little elliott states came to try and so two years ago strand and she studied he from chicane from shanghai and and that was nineteen nine hundred ninety eight so thirty one years ago and it's been great having weed because lewis speaks mandarin during cantonese shanghainese english and she has a great understanding of the mentality of the chinese oil said something that lulu told me a long time ago is the chinese coin so they has sold yesterday or just. I've been nine million that was we sold that to chinese on three using our to solve that four chinese client want to a client who is enjoy who's never seen the house on enough just seem buildings and they admitting becky from dubai after fifteen years of reading may so we do a lot of deals the state's legal and i haven't filed in <hes> rise by and was a chinese client of the house they paid in the house and then was moving under the end. It was trying to don't moving over to america so the chinese august can we come back into the house and that wouldn't mind selling some of the furniture old so the young lady. The daughter came into the father. Speak english do wanna. I'm chris baking respect came through the house and the also this this grand piano <unk> everything and whipped out of trouble so we went through the chinese saying yes <unk> tight battle tight that'll take taking everything so god and then the i had a bentley sitting out out on the old man he was going to sell that back to the deal so i thought i'd just trauma lucky and i said would you like to buy the father didn't even know what bentley was. He sent to the daughter in mandarin opened the door and he said how many people competing this county to she said full papal and he said what's the price may honest on pay instead of four hundred fifty thousand four it <hes> and such and such at the i. Agent this is the columbus also to two hundred fifty thousand one hundred already crossed rush with the deal and the the father looked at the door. She translated won't take those the silence for about probably ten seconds and then he said something briefly back to her and then she looked at us and she said tight bet to retake so then they helped him on that drive up. We looked at me. God called stayed hung. Rusty ninety looked at me. He said i would argue about mccowan. I must say i think i would and he's simple. How's it going uphill this nice <unk> just always just give us a bank jake a voice <unk> check. I settled on the house and they took a bentley. Unfortunately they went to driving the bentley in about a week later. They rang me so special up. Take the internet internet topics so so take off red obviously in the background that you you do to us in a rolls royce to chinese boss so did i did i fly land and then you just take him for a to around the suburbs if if they qualify do i sold the rolls royce just recently. We've got a on a nail instead. We had a bentley rolls royce but it's a great cast and we've emptied. It's on so the thing is that it's very well for the chinese they love movies and so i said to my wife wintertime that s and i didn't get that house and they bought on the phone and they walkup about she said you don't understand in a bind the house they find the marschall so she's a unit in shanghai but come to a stri. It's let's bhai what they call the landed property. It's not too not looking to unit then. Look it. Wow these people live well. I'll just by myself so just by everything that got. I'll just i'll just take on the lifestyle the lifestyle that's what they bind so it was a great listen and i let that resulted my wanting explaining that to me so yeah the chinese as of an estimate to deal with the very funny and <hes> yeah they and their into in kofu sway at about that about making sure that the uh frontal faces the right way one of my clients to end up with a monk just recently from suing monster and he was gonna live in the house. He's looking at the direction stopping compass on the ground rounded and these white house student didn't suit causing so that's all part of the cultural. I'm going to be great understand that when you're dealing with chinese market how what did you say. How well do you know that because if you were to get listing and realize that <hes> the points don't add up. You'd probably wouldn't you. Tom talking to a china's bars off anything about it is i could talk to kim from sue masters and they will get a different opinion on the same house so that's fun just fascinating. It's like you never can woken. <unk> was a tree in the way. I'm looking to buy another one walks in and says you're like it'll take so it's just it's it's very hard tonight but i'm the chinese as they deal with very nice actually very funny they carry some say and they a lot of dealings with the chinese volts food which was taken to chinese restaurants in that kind of thing so i had a kauai jn that was with me and he didn't really understand what it's like doing the chinese market and who is telling property darling point and a chinese a young chinese leading won't ins- and david this guy and he says he's not speaking pigeon chinese. This barney says me david me you young child. He says to this chinese lady and she looked at him and she he said mistrial born chinese. I was born. He was educated. You don't need to talk about that and just putting the chinese people say you just you just because they look chinese that they just got back from china on the plane. Yeah absolutely haim who who else. I mean what sort of foreign investment review board navigations you need to. I don't so now it is quite stringent. So if the the person they're going to have the right topic mesa so effectively they've got to have. It can have a temporary beza if they want to buy property in australia but i can anybody any by one property is principal reasons if it's not brand near if it's a second property and there has to run for more than twelve months can run anywhere told months to five years and then they're allowed to buy the property subject to prior approval for foreign investment review boarding camera out the rule is if they sold if i move out of the country for an extended period of back china for three months or six months by then have to sell the trump because it's the idea behind these that they can have probably delete meanwhile the he but he's they leave they conscious have dormant property sitting and a lot of people have that visa within the first one to five years and then they i aim is to try and get residency and once they've got tony residency they can open mike sense they do pay a highest empty <hes> if it not just an extra and if they spend listen two hundred days a year he <hes> they also have to pay land tax and i think the land tech's now in new south wales i think it's double annoyance and paying about four percent land tech's for your tub talk for the purchase of paying for the trumpeting said this quotes quote onerous restrictions def- on that <hes> <hes> most of your oh clients <hes> coming fully aware that org to some sort of a lot of the not because a lot of them have immigration agent that i ah out some get into the country and the first thing we ask them is when they come look appropriate <hes> what visa there on so this twenty eight on a tourist. I think i'm going no matter what so there's no point wasting the time of atonal said the onus on the property comprising. Normally they've caught right. We should before going well it compliments that makes sense maga wall shoot sorry been well. Why would they choose sydney over los angeles on on your yes. That's great. That's know greg. My understanding is a lot of people liked on sydney and melbourne's echoes the time difference attorney are the two hours of stray house to front depending on dialect citing china. <hes> the other thing is we've got very stable. Political environment got cleaning clean food great education this a lot of people he i just went to a lunch two days ago and it was a person this one of the universities and he was assigned to me that <hes> it's about an eight billion dollar a year industry now in new south wales full <unk> investi students coming from china and and so the parents place a lot of emphasis on education for their children. A lot of the children are any one child in family because of the one child policy in china so they call them the little empress children and the parents do anything for them. A parents often very hot and they've made money and then they want to educate educate children so they send them to strive for education and also men. They'll buy property while children he for the children to stay being educated and it's very safe place to buy and as you know in china <unk> aware of this but mexico's economic appropriate for in china's simmons used elise to the government and after seventy years it's very uncertain if you still own the property not so they can come to australia kboi and they cannot have freedom and i just find that and tested and mark levy notice with some of the changes in the downturn in the market <hes> we we obviously any investments on that the chinese is <hes> has a has had a downturn in terms of the demand. We sold him almost owning around a quarter of own you off. The plane interested in australia australia. <hes> i stones dot at nab released in minnesota signing. That's now down to wanting to send is that similar in terms of the products that your that your <hes> providing them all nine for temps is that's a bit of a different story and you still wrexham strong demand. It will funny enough. It's been very interesting and just had on another side of the diet in bulk lose property. I didn't months ago that fight point two million dollars for a strike in risen china aced <hes> they decided to sell the property and just resulted to another chinese. It's just arrived at the right point. Two five nine six one chinese assault another chinese boarded so a. l. styles have not really fallen in fact myself was slightly higher in the two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen financially initially than they were ahead to extra sales and i had the that and which is quite surprising because in general the market had gone down at. I'm still finding a lot taste. Pickle bind the reason being l. dollars so attractive now. It's down below seventy since u._s. And i think that it's from the pay where it was. I think ten in use ago it's i think the dulles about thirty seven thirty eight percent more mature than it was back then so anyone going. My cities straight is quite attractive. It was currency does run a utensil question. Still lots of people terrific. Thanks for updating cellnet. That's auto china. Where's where's the next side from europe from from the americas who who's who's most a lot of a lot of the non asian. Some people to buy are actually australians that have moved. I haven't been to new york london and they always seem to want to have probably so. I deal a lot with experts lycoming yesterday nine fifty for the property. That's a strange twist the window to run a large business into by being there for fifteen years in on the way back so many here in six months time in coming back to a straight and they're looking forward to it so i have a lot of quantum that there's all these strains that have gone to to increase but inevitably i find lemons ideally goes into one eventually. Come back so i have a lot of leaving london new york <hes> all over the place <hes> ally until looks people at so. There are a lot of australians the tend to buy that levi abc's. He's more than sort of american people living here. I did sell one just recently for the man that minted imported from me a house and i sold it for him himself. He bought a <hes> he mended mutual mutual and yeah put your your vegetables in the thing into that is an a south african gentlemen gentleman that went <unk> went to l._a. I think about thirty years ago he worked as an accountant and then i think about fifteen or twenty years ago he got onto these he's he's into fitness and got into this <hes> neutral at i._d. So impenetrable might absolute fortune out of it. Love destroy you kind. He bought a housing what's sen's bhai from his for just over fourteen million about three years ago and he was going to spend more time he unfortunately because i had spent more time in america and i just result that has remained assault of just over two million and he said to me and just do not know how you ought to be peer in sydney and such a place that's the typical american and he had to get a special base at by the house time and he found that he was spending. I think he he was trying to hundred thousand dollars a year. In text the house nears any coming he wants he so he decided still while incredible stories stories on interested in your perspective on negotiation right. So what does what does a typical negotiation lou clock back end <unk> ever journey never period of <hes> a career that you have marco what what. What are your negotiation tips that you think the tom <hes> bar should employ <hes>. Probably i'll listen to buy season necessarily in the market for seventy million property. What what what are the universal negotiation tips that you've accumulated over career that you could help <hes> out arrowed. I think it's very important if your body homeworks. You've got to really know the market. Advise agents have been a recent addition to the market and they seem to do very good job from what i can say so they will help i off onto property and a black paste buys agent on the property and so that gives them vegetate mr what's available what sold and i find it very helpful for a lot of people look people flogger d._c. And they're not really property experts so it's great and she can find yourself goodbyes to assist you. That's active in the area and i will fast track trek process so i think i have plenty of time. If you wanna go to look for property and you've got to hang on exactly what you want and become an expert i put in that that mocking that field of what you're looking for before you buy a super to know what's around and then once you do that. You've got to <hes> go at the properties and josh assess where it's at and then negotiate so there's a phoebe dinners and they try and find the right thing. You gotta be fussing. Be happy to trust in spend looking at and it's every person's different out by some people spend longtime. Lukianov is very spontaneous buggery could we do you ever get engaged to act on behalf of the ball. That's not necessarily wanted. You only sings as always as you know capacity to get them to. One of your properties is no. I've been asked to do that and the thing is that. I don't do it because i any act. Four <unk> says agent so i only excellent of indo annex to the boss. I don't think you can have hats on you've got to do one or the other so understood act for the senate and their other agents out there that are very good acting for the by and we all know each other and we try on trying to get the highest price like ankle the they try and get it to the lowest price that usually <hes> we could get to a point way. Everyone's happiness push the endorsement for by two as we work towards awards wrapping up in. Is there anything else you wanna far look of a got a couple more. The mine wants to me was when it when we're told here at the property saw auden garcetti said <hes> abs- on seventy million dollars property <hes> what's the most interesting property that she's had listed sell. Yes yeah i i like. I like to sell anything. That's different so i i'm really proud of some of the us sold is a solitary cynical which has been in life. I i don that twice in six weeks. That property is that what what what six weeks appearance all strategy was person border and you know he bought it and then he was inaugurated by rabbis inviting you to come out not says property and he was going to develop it into apartments. The rabbis didn't want to do that so he started to have real food food and he said oh my god by the community can can you sell things get out of it without losing likely it was a rabbi from new york at came on a rescue mission at was things the cynical was repossessed which is unusual thing and so i sold it fully mortgage and and it was really good outcome so this catholic person boorda heating started heavy guilt complex thing he was doing the wrong thing <hes> developing and then we he's found another boss from new york. Rabbi had the money in he on became board and again. <hes> six guys guy swill profit out of it which got him out of these m._g._d. And all that kind of thing and then they developed an education for jewish community which is fantastic outcome so that was very i was very very happy and very proud of that. When that one <hes> went ahead and then i sold a church of england church will lose being wound and that's now oh a childcare center which is great for the community in that area so that was good. I saw this place called. Hilltop in the middle of <hes> up in the up in the southern in highlands of sydney has sold at five point two five million to one of my old conkland and who's looking for hospitals and it's nowhere near the beach. The magnet is very lucky that that was six hundred acres averaged three hundred acres with plead with magnificent house on it and that was also one of my old customers that property and then it was very beautiful transit onto a national pot had to generate electricity your own water because it was really in the middle of nowhere near forty minute drive on a dirt ride to get to it. I love when you got big lasted. I took on a helicopter from sydney import on sunday sunday morning at nine o'clock in the morning and we flew <hes> from from the run on the main runway. Let it was an ice radiate crafted at the other end of the runway wearing these helicopter. We took off a slew up for the pilot. We landed property and on a sunday morning. That was really highlight. That was on mother's listen to. We flew back to the airport. I dreamt on on the sex. That was tested. I couldn't put a price on that was amazing now. That's the big guy which is a perfect segue into m._r. Phone or christian which is around <hes> you've gone from mechanic <hes> working for all royston and also in sales agents for rolls ross bentley and and the siamese and now you voted your own bentley. Obviously that's part of the service proposition that you're doing. You've gone full circle and you've obviously been very lucky so share with us. Walk that means to you in regards to <hes> the financial position that you've been outta get the celtics and the what at sort of has keeping you and your family regards to funding so security jamil i'm not i know i haven't been all that but that's probably miami indulgence. Actually i really like the simple things in may twelve about exercising aiding rochford and sleep getting enough sleep and all that company because i've seen lots of lots of money that are very unhappy. I got us a wannabe in that but the money side of tomase not really the main focused. I know if you sell the properties on the and all that kind of thing but <hes> now dan extravagant offerings better just just go to work and be done with love work none of which and that's the message we're trying to convey to play pool that the money using the happiness <hes> lucknow your greatest is is an experience getting an helicopter flying. It's appropriate jumping. That's you know we we we believe everyone in our great abundance scenario the top exuberance and all that doesn't make people happy dozen. No i think burana think you're going to have a purpose so i think if you can just as happy being amended mechanic goes i was selling causes was chilling houses united states awesome happened. I've used jumped going from one thing to the others thought it was probably bennington unsure awakens madman cancun still be very happy. It was us so very good friends with <unk>. I used to work with and we're in touch all the time and all that happy. It's a i think sometimes having too much is really really a bad thing. I've seen a lot of problems have removed too much so my advice is impetus in poland. Just don't try to have too much said so to make sense. Yes absolutely health. Trump amount and your family know that you'll be very happy. Absolutely health is real wealth to final one's one john if someone was listening to this podcast and i did wanna buy synagogue or church of england whole. How much would i need to <hes> to have to buy that site that that was a long time ago that soon gonna think from memory the last time we saw to think what we don't think it was twelve noon twelve matola hub and the church will was just two million. That's we sold on a modest the land from ben for the synagogue and my phone one is investing in property as i personal wealth creation vehicle for yourself personally stanley where where does that sit in in iran <hes> views on how you approach where you park on. I'm a big believer in that my wife and i we have quite a few properties that we use and we what i do if i can afford to. I'll just buy unit and all like a tube general wonder you know rinse it out so what i've looked at as you can compile haas of the property then with the way the interest rates are and all that kind of the the rent that comes in pretty much is the the other half off so you just have to exciting up save enough haas h. and just buying another property. I find i found the best investment strategy because the clients <hes> i've laid not will continue to increase in value ease and rents will continue to increase safety. Can it in there and you can honed and it's the best formula well said well said now been just checking with you any finals. I'm good all i remarkable. Let's say it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the property. Catch the just the insults of <hes> something that you do daily gone through all the properties in recent jason suburbs of sydney dealing with people <hes> with <hes> budgets that allow them to buy that. It's been nice for us to get a little bit of an insider's look on that looks lock walk in them. We appreciate you sharing the insults. We hype communities really enjoyed the stories and <hes> good luck four fleet. <hes> you know we see you on the <hes> the one next door at sixty million thank you thank you very much. Thomas graham speaking might have many good allies were in that. I mean even for me. The big one was in regards to how the mindset of the wealthy and how they act very similar to people who have probably laugh chris xeros on the back of wealth position but seinfeld of principles. I mean he was sort of signing. You know real estate fabulous investment. I do do think about it in the context just a guy with a few zeros up some great mindset takeaways in terms of these successful business people boo practicing way teaching which is what i agree what i really love to his he didn't know complicated early as he was a mechanic and then just this this natural progression to being into the styles of the business that he's a bottle yep and then for a lot of people including myself reflect on you think all dealing with appropriate seventeen nineteen million <hes> you could probably get intimidated out of that took but he's going more just talking to a person i i bought a car from me so just a real aside from it was pragmatic in very true balance <hes> <hes> very to himself and congratulations since to the business that he's built and all the people that he saved because it sounds like they are all pretty happy customers. I old pretty heavy including chinese by being toil off stall from that he's yeah we'll take it so it's model in fact i've been comes from sandy nips who one of our wonderful vase diamond the plan. This is the right into our site so here's their life hack into money hacks. When you go to the supermarket you often see autumn's on style and are presented with the do you are already. Have this at hun will should i just bought since it's on special this week also money often we found that we'd see products. We always bond on special so we bought them and then realize we already had enough to last us until the product on special again in a few weeks pin. Oh this is essentially <hes> parking taking money in the pantry. You'll love this rather than packing it. In the primary offset account ross almost word for woman so we have started doing now is looking at the weekly specials email that out supermarket emails us most loyalty programs g will lease keep track of the autumns you buy. There's a little effect been the loyalty points you so they can actually tell what you actually ninety marci keep track of the orangey aw and tyler the emails to you to let you know when the on special so what we do now is we check when our usual purchases or on special check the pantry entry. I then add it to our shopping spin a locket. We also meal plan for the weight based on what's on special rather than going to the shops with a pre prepared prepared meal plan. Everything we have on our shopping list is on special office. This one's for you. I guess it's the little things like this which save a a few dollars here and there which adds up to more in the offset camp <hes> overrule the money smart system really has helped with how we value and spend the money we <hes> i would say that we really used to throw money without realizing where it is going as we used to simply pie why the credit cod attleboro wherever we went pay the balancing full of the end of the now we use the visa debit as per the money smart system and it really makes you you think twice before you buy something as you need to make it last until the next week so there's a problem with money smarts if everyone adopts promulgated tapei well. I mean it's really good. It's basically signing. That bulk grocery buying doesn't end you will save you interest. I does it whereas the money in your account downside if you opt weekly shopping it's very clever. Isn't it because you money sitting in your pantry is in saving money on new quite. Wasn't this parking money in the pantry. Run hock it in all of it. Did you ross on the back of the most expensive who've real estate in australia. I'm going to read to you got the top tain purchases. The highest paid prices across australia for real estate ready for this man number. Tain was invoke loose can you can you pronounce. Is that how you pronounce it all would know but it's got that little twang there as well but villa ignalia i think is how it's pronounced that he gives bella bella aghia again in get in get off my my i should just ask the boss of akwa land in he's the boss most and he's name xinjiang ling or and he paid fifty two million dollars for that property in vaucluse new south wales. That's number attain number nine. Boss is the stoning ten mansion in moldovan victoria starting to cancel on nine so i didn't declare who owns it might be hanging out the front. You might fall into at fifty two point five million dollars for that mansion in two thousand eighteen. I okay so here we go in terms of number mosman park proc- nick of the woods yes iron w._i. But you sound like a sydney's talk ben it's muslim awesome and powell moseman pack or zayd interesting melissa smith mossman pack mosey mosey mosey pack as well forgot knowledge. I thought you lived in mosman uh-huh guy anyway. Monte magnate chris ellison bought that property fifty seven point five million dollars in two thousand and nine okay and then we have another one in vaucluse she and family harmful many loci fanta leone cam kevin kennon knit candidate bought the property for sixty million dollars in two thousand and sixteen number six check pheno in point piper boss and stop trying to andy is win knee song andy cleanly song. He bought that property sixty point six six million in two thousand sixteen nab ross are on top five altoona in point piper so out second appearance of pop. I think this is all these teams and point four and five and this one was bought l. Tyner is the name of the residents and it was bought for sixty one point eight million <hes> jinya hewing family. I think maybe how you pronounce asset businessman so he's he's the owner of that. One phoenix is bryce is number four number four in vaucluse another one in vaucluse loose property. Nobody develop adopted jerry shoots and he's waft. Debbie have bought that property in sort of lazy sixty five point two five four million in two thousand seven seventeen for that property. Check that oughta now number three down to the phone with the second runner up okay vaucluse <music> businessman a chow chuck wing <hes> he has bought this property for seventy million dollars factor feature property little that episode james and erika pekka so that back in that time so that was in two thousand and fifteen now. It's marco did that listing ben. We've got two more. I runner up first runner up point piper again so here we are now this one here <hes> the own which is scott faulk wa and family the lesson co-founder he paid seventy one million dollars for that property in two thousand and seventeen and then the number balon the number one sticky tests drum roll please this wound with their family. <hes> fe water again in point papa ah which was purchased body lesson other co founder of scots which is mike cannon brookes and he's family that property for one hundred hundred million dollars in two thousand from the fairfax family lady fairfax leave until one point one two ike is rod on the water there hector in <hes> hick days my bad in that location so he's the most expensive bid real estate and hanes part piper you know in terms of expensive expensive mansions and real estate is one of the best in the country and you had. Did you know the top end of town. Podcast any my impressed that you have a prepared did yep sicker impressed that you segue into lock that i did a lot of inspiration from local in terms of blue blue ribbon real estate bowl. You've just heard ron kingsley narcissistic folks. Hopefully you got some benefit on learning a little bit about <hes> what happens inside <hes> the world of <hes> the very exclusive eastern suburbs real estate of sydney but until next week ben ross knowledge is impairing but only if you act on it various folks hi there bryan hallway before you go if you're new to our community indian only listen to maybe a handful of episodes. I really recommend that you go all the way back to episode number one where we unpacked all of the foundations agents when it comes to property investing for those of you the mob illuminate tom poor of good news for you. We have a binge god that you can download straightaway which summarizes the first twenty episodes. 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Episode 276  2 hours of News, Politics, Sex and Religion

The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

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Episode 276 2 hours of News, Politics, Sex and Religion

"Suburban Eastern. Australia an environment that has the time evolved some extraordinarily unique groups of Sapienze. But today we observe are small trial akin to a group of Mick that gathered together a top a small mound to watch question and discuss the current events of their. Their country and their weld at large. Let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known hours the Iron Fist and the velvet glove. Yes. We'll can deal this site two, hundred and seventy six of the fist in the velvet glove podcast. Should be a relatively stock standard normal podcast or would think except guy forget three and a half hours because there's a lot to talk about. I'm Trevor, I K-. Faced with me always Scott the velvet glove. Get Trevor Ghetto get Asia listeners. Main greetings, things, greetings, gentlemen enjoy the guy. Tiffany everyone is still is not so. Good one last week was could have robin. Frank. That was fun so. Just, give you a heads up of what we're going to be dealing with. We're GONNA have a little bit about Victoria just briefly but about these tripe watches be backcloth Palmer. Then we'll get into the NOOSA temple of site in the sort of. Glow back the repercussions and things that happened after that. And a little bit about. Trump and a little bit of bad various other topics that depending on how we guys. There's enough for three hours. Are you still getting up at four o'clock in the movie? So. Well, I guess we should just mentioned congratulations. Victoria you've made it to the other side and unique got released in some form. On tonight. So we love relieved people obviously today's with zero can't. It's not been eliminated. Don't worry pull. It hasn't been eliminated, but it is one of those things that will be yeah. Well, I know that anyway, they've got Dan. Neil so they can afford to take the foot off the brake and. Say This is what they had done and I do not understand the. chillers carry on by the PM about that. You know because he did. Guy Burke I. Win Dangerous. said he was going to delight tycoon cut off the break and that sort of thing. You know he only white twenty, four hours. To take the break, what's another twenty four hours after so? It's So anyway I think. I've talked to people in Melbourne. Just anecdotally, and it's just seems to be one of those things. It's really dividing people. As everything seems to do these days and some people are still very much pro Dane and others. Refer to Dan, the dictator and people watering further apart but he's got. A lot of time. For the next election. So anything's possible and I wouldn't be betting against him winning. There's an interesting statistic in different tweets and memes during the week we sham. was, from. Maybe it was from the twentieth of Todd which said that Back in July Victoria had seven hundred, twenty three cases in the Yucai head seven, hundred, sixty three. So any forty more in the kind. And and as it think the twentieth of October. Victoria had one in the K had fifteen, thousand, six, hundred, fifty so. So that's an interesting comparison of start off at the same number ended up completely different spots so. ionizing amongst people who previously were arguing lockdowns don't work that the. The basically, their argument is morphing into something else now which ease that. Lockdown shouldn't be the primary focus of Khyber Control or lockdowns costea much economically and. That in the tally up in Wyoming of the pros and cons then with. But the look at work argument is kind of. Did. It's it's off to the side and nothing emphasized as much and those who are arguing that point seemed to be trying to argue other things because clearly lockdowns work like. It's does what it's supposed to do in terms of. Stopping the infection spreading. And you can argue these other things about primary focus and other measures. We can argue that the cost economically, but you can't say the networks I. They clearly said a meeting on from that so. That's what odd nicest visiting. Social Media, commentary. Pull you want US cheap in on Audrey slide down slide. A look you know I don't agree with you trevor. Look. The evidence lockdowns. Don have statistics all output Looking at different countries like Taiwan, they had sort of semi lockdown for several weeks I think, and then they just let people go about the business. As usual with lots and lots of contact tracing just just on my point that lockdown Steinberg. Hear it as much as. Maybe burden. took the Taiwanese did not lockdown for an extended period and yet they had a very low number of it's name that other things work as well. Well, they had a very extensive offend. Efficient. Which Martin that other things work but that's That Lock Dance John Wick. I suppose lockdowns will stop transmission if you stop people contacting each other completely then I suppose you'd have to say that that's what we've been signed. Also other doctors trevor say that. The virus will spread one way another. That's a separate argument that exactly a separate argument. On that is an argument that says you can't keep doing lockdown and eventually you have to come out of it and will spread Blah Blah. So it's a really an argument ECON Montana hard locked in, which is not yet but the other side is that when you look down, you basically do all kinds of damage to other completely separate argument. The cost of lock Dan. That's when you start saying don't get bogged down in that one. Sorry I don't. Ross tried out but. Let's move on and I think we'll have a special. It's a bit cute. Just decide lockdowns work, and let's leave it at that because a really complex issue. I don't think it's I. Think it's Self evident that they work that you now have to shift the argument. If you're against lockdowns, it's not because they don't work. It's because of cost where you can't mind time it all you think other things are better, but you just can't side of Victorian locked Dan did not do what it was intended to do it clearly did didn't do it very efficiently I'll have to. Say That They Dan Zero it's. Like. How long for how long are they going to be down to zero because? For the next few weeks and then you'll have you'll have a few ca you'll have A. Few weeks, ago. Nine that I don't know I'd almost be willing to. Case. That within a couple of weeks now follow funds and more. What you would air sign is because we coming out of luck air lockdown. We can't mine this and it will research. This is the whole point. But now that's a completely different argument to sign the lockdown itself doesn't look. Now if you say lockdown works achieves achieves its goal now if the goal is to defeat the disease. Because finish, you could sit up lockdown. Poet drove and this is the rewriting whip which I'm saying people sort of doing as to rewriting what was law town abaout what was its purpose and is where people assign well. A sort of a rewriting of the purpose of lockdown and. One view is the purpose of lock Danny's sheet together in terms of contact tracing and. Other, mask-wearing and Getting Hill system organized and old is things while you're. In shutdown like end you're getting that stuff. Oh Gosh that is. An argument as to what the purpose of of a lock Danny's the people who are being disingenuous when they sign all the lockdown was intended to solve all the problems and nobody ever suggested. It was ninety ever in five lockdown said locked in is the Eilly answer and it will be the answer. It's a it's a rewriting of of what lockdown dam were designed you but why bother doing it in the first place if you do it for so many months, you get down to your desired number. and. Then you you under lockdown and then the number start climbing again and you have to find another strategy anyway because. I don't think they're going to go up as as as hard as you think because reminds to be saying, well, you remains to be saying, I, agree with you there but you've also got mandatory mask-wearing in Victoria whereas you've done have mandatory mask wearing in. Queensland, can I honestly believe that will have a very strong Dan would pressure on the right of transmission I didn't really want to get into a big lockdown at the beginning of this because. People crazy. But you mentioned you people in Victoria being polarized by this. I hope they fucking Paul writes because I was absolutely devastated at how does all USTRALIAN czar when the civil liberties just taken away by decree by state premier nobody's out in the street saying these are our freedoms and you may not take them because they get arrested if. And that is out. Standing absolutely outrageous. Come on. Start. Get a backbone get out on the street and he's a call Intel. Al. Politicians that are elected representatives, not our masters and not our dictators. Okay. Something sometime down the track, we'll do another episode. was. We'll do it as. Lockdown. So the people who don't adhere again here. So let's move on. All right. Let's move on from his one row. Willie. Australia Post. that's been in the news because one of About three or four executives got handed some expensive watches as part of Oregon. Expensive Watches and Two PM fan at-bat it and was outraged in parliament and basically said, well, she doesn't stand down who was in charge will all make a stand down and like completely at rise this at this sort of thing. Gentlemen four out rights do think now I think he was genuine. But. I think he's hypocritical Scott what do you think? Well, I think Peter van also said it best he's the pin is pulled by the CEO is trying to hitting at four three grand watches to executive bonus. She's been Sudan in other news the government pay thirty, million dollars for land earned by liberal Dina valued at three me than Dulles. Anyone lost their job for that. I it's. Hypocritical of the highest staining is bloody at righteous actually. and. I do not understand why the PM was carrying on a bit this. Strategy Post. Has Gone through some difficult stages. And, locked, and all that sort of stuff is forced people to Baustoffe Online, which has boosted the bottom. And Australia post has yes admittedly cut services. You know they have reduced the number of days that they deliver letters to people's litter boxes. But you know what? That's dying part of the Mile Industry. Individual letters they lose money hand over fist on them. Well, we'll have been corporate. Told start acting cooperation rather than the public citizen. Watches. People behave like. You. GotTa Remember Ladies and Gentlemen at day that the bonuses would gist exclusively to the exist they gave bonuses to all the staff of Australia Post Naniwa pretty low level bonuses for every average shit kicked out there was barely five hundred bucks for this for the same reason. Yes I'm reason that the people that the watches some other people got some just cash. Well, you know he should have got the cash. Josh Roddenbury Freudenberg Rickety should go. Why does he think he? is about that they managed to get three of the four banks to agree to subcontract at some of their work to astrology post offices and looked like the deal wasn't going to happen until bicycling allegedly just fraud and got involved in and sort of stock. The banks and said, you're going to do this and that's what sort of got it through, which was kind of an ordinary deal have that sort of cl- Well. That's that's what the where is. It seems like if anyone wants to get fancy wash perhaps you'll bring just. I would have thought the nationals. Would've been very happy because as we know. Last number of US banks have been closing the branches in country towns, and so people have been left without banking services. So, the post office. Can identify. Much. Company started to do that now. How much of the service of title but anyway but Yeah but in this game things. Well. There's not from Crikey, which is basically saying. This. Government. Of Morrison and and needs predecessor. Corruption in and skulduggery has gone on that the really set atoning for the public service and and also business interests and other people that. Just look after you might get whatever you can for yourself. What's IT matter? You know you might get a rap over the knuckles and salary but. On normal like. There's a really good article d listener in the Michael whist media blog where he's basically listing the different routes have occurred in recent times and so had the sports roots of where we had the regional growth fund which followed the sports ruled supply book. We had the collision awarding, noncompliant drought. Grants we had community development grants which were two point five, billion dollars slush fund. We had eighty percent of funding for female sport going to coalition seats we had McCormack breaching the lobbying casual would two point six, million. To an airport. Grant. We've got all sorts of regional infrastructure grains program targeting coalition seats got road funding directed to the coalition marginal seats. Listed the bat seventy, two different things. He a gold miner who got a million dollars per plane it was going to build anyway. Ministers Rollin a link to a grant to ineligible businesses. Indigenous Affairs funding diverted to lobby groups opposed not at night of title Cy. Government has just sit a tyrone of corruption and. Just doing stuff via Mites. So it's little wonder that people in senior positions. Public Service and L. Other the corporations are getting the idea. This is what you do. Well. It probably explains why they're dragging the heels on CAC You know they don't want to have any body that they have to answer to It's really Buddy Crook They should talked about this a little bit on cue and I lost and watch Kim Ni-. Well. Masochist. I. Took one for team. But look that we're talking about the things like this and how they undermined the community's. Confidence in now system both in representative democracy and. Actually I thought spoke very well on the topic and Tenure. Sometimes loses me but She had me on that point she spoke very well about the importance of. Of the community just having confidence in the system in the process. Anyway So. There's no confidence and also creates an atmosphere of you can get away with this shit if the guy so why not? Speaking of getting away with Shit, I just don't understand HAP- Clive Palmer can get away with his current antics. said he listener? In this household her as you know, we subscribe to the Curry Mile. We, actually get a printed copy because my mother reads it every morning and on every edition in the last two weeks either at page two and three sometimes page four and five is a double page spread by Claude pomme where It's an advertisement sighing. For the upcoming state election turn colors to sighing risk ally but death tech's death tax could be live is playing and. Other advertisements have been quite upfront in sighing that live is proposing some sort of inheritance tax and gonNA play a little clip from now this is Clive Palmer's wife. And She's the deputy ladle, maybe the leaders. In Queensland Yeah and. This is an ad that the applying on different media at the moment. So here we go. He's sporting a moustache here. I am deputy leader of Clive Palmer's United Australia party the state election the United Destroy Your Party wants to stop the decliner Valdivia Standards Labor, his destroyed quizzes welcome insperity Labor wants to pay the hundred and twenty billion dollar debt with was twenty percent death tax attacks on everything you leave your family when you die. Enough is enough. Stop play was twenty percent desktops. We can't have four more years of hard labor stop neighbors twenty percent desktops by voting quite almost united. Australia party. Authorized by Anna Palmer for Clark plumbing to destroy go coast. Someone mother reads the paper You guys buddy live government united bringing in a diff-. Tex again. I said well, what makes you say that walk it's here in the pipe up. and. I said, you realize that's just an ad by Clive, Palmer well, it's they're saying on said you realize that's Never, the absolutely categorically denied having anything to do with the death tax. It's not part of the policy. It's never been mentioned. It's just bullshit boy Clive Palmer Who didn't realize that? He's GonNa get. His cost my a lot of is I. D Listener. It's not bad of party policy is now whisper of having any talk about it. It's not like somebody rised and was not backed by somebody else. There's nothing in the whole idea of twenty percent what? That's just a figure plucked out of cloth Parma's. There's nothing to this is a bold faced law. Allowed to say any has a big. and. I just can't believe Scott that in the lead up to an election, you can just spruch complete and utter falsehoods that are going to affect the result of the election I mean we've got all sorts of things about is the must Musae who you are written an authorized bar. And yet he what's it matter if you can comment with complete bullshit undying understand that it's not an offense. It's I don't understand that either I thought that was truth in advertising laws and stuff Aranda clearly not. You know it's a load of garbage that. Mukai said a few weeks ago that that what's an anesthesia? Pella she? She doesn't have the guts to do what? I. She doesn't. She wind tackle it. It's artist it seems to me that. On the light on listeners live of these emails and I sort of talk about the Teich. Clive Palmer Court and get some injunction just basically tell you friends. This isn't truly when it's not happening. It doesn't seem to be any. This doesn't seem to be any legal avenue to stop this. So on my with these with any says aw library of destroyed the economy or. These sort of generalized. Sort of things we can go. Well, that's a matter of opinion. As to whether they destroyed the economy not. This clearly, this is not that of opinion that lie has no. Nothing on the record for twenty percent death. He's does have the words could be a does on this one but on. The you heard audio and it wasn't any goods he's not, but it's politics and I don't know how you could possibly devise. A set of regulations that decides what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable in political advertising now would you? Well. That's clearly ally. Opinion is not his opinion. He said he's actually putting their that. He's that there is a part that. So that's the wrong. If you get if you could just go back up there. Yeah. I'm don't risk. A diva's live is live is death text. Okay. That's that's in print. But if we go back to the year that Trivia supplied us, which she said that she would that they're planning on paying off their hundred and twenty billion dollar deficit with a death tax that is a load of nonsense, and that is a complete bay face law. I don't understand why he's not. In. Court. To opinion. But seriously, how do you decide political advertising? Fairly sheltered in the UK historically you couldn't say anything about the other your opponent you could only you talk about your policies well, that might be the way to go. Yeah. That's a good idea. Yeah. Is Alive during the dunk say anything. You want to talk about the opposition parties like for example, if the opposition party. For example. Wanted to balance the budget and you'll sign, we're in a recession we need a deficit you need to be able to say the opposition is planning on I've their policy is. I think you just concentrate on your pros and not cons innate be able to. To. Paris. Do you think. Okay. If you to take this, then don't think cloud Palmer could have mentioned the death tax because lie ahead never brought up a death tax. If however they're saying that we've got to have this level of dead core. Palmer could very legitimately criticise that level of debt and then after that, he would be asked what would you do about it Which suicide? There's a lot of waste in the public service Blah, Blah Blah Blah Blah and then said, well, how many public servants do you think need to be sacked and he'd say well nine because we just got to remove the waste. A sheet, but it is this the way he would answer it. It is a very difficult. To draw the line and Doris writes his troubles way. On let's let's wait. That's what we're here for strikes find mall. Cipher sampled the you know you might accuse the opposition said they're going to spend one hundred. Nine hundred million on road to canes they're going to Spain five, hundred million on extra teachers that are going to spend X.. Mansa and you might then Cy. The opposition is going to leave us with a five point six, billion dollar deficit now, that might not be part of their policy. Statement that they going to create a five point, six billion dollar deficit but you could say, I've done the maths and based on all their promises. This is what we're going to. We're going to end up with. So it can't really even be something where you limit them to. Only, talk about the opposition's policies if it's actually written down in their policy framework because you need to be also draw conclusions about what their policies will be. But this is just such a Sham Lewis. Bold Feis law it's a little bit like. Library shortened did very well in an election where there was a big scare on. Yes where there was. Like Turnbull got into real trouble at a very skinny victory against bill shorten because the rim was a out in libel was happy to be out that. Lease. The intention of. Housing Medicare. which was a sheet. A, very fast what was even? Mentioned bin Laden. They send text messages that they put in the WHO is from saying Medicare and then winter I, forget what the message was behind the text message bit windier through and said, you know the coalition government plans on privatizing many K, which is all a lie to nonsense and honestly believe that live is should have been hold over the calls for that Mellon. The chatroom says blatant law is an opinion. They'll tell me is live doing anything about this because it seems to me that there is no action available to them and. I just think this one crosses a law in some somewhere in. It so specific about their proposal and I it. But. We're going to talk a little bit lighter in podcast spat truth and had tim the truth like this should be the wonderful age of information where where the ordinary person can have accessed information and can then take on power. By on utilizing that information, but it's been so contaminated. That the benefits of information I now disappearing because we don't know what's true anymore with. We've got all this information, but we can't tell. Not. All of it is truth in date and bad actors have shown to be more than willing to distill the truth. Yeah. American. Up often we'll give their opinion. I don't think we're ever going to stop. This misinformation like we've talked about it last week with twitter and. FACEBOOK in relation to the Joe Biden Hunter? Biden Laptop. Stuff, in I, you can construct. Some sort of laws decide that they must not do this in certain case, but we've really reached the point where. Information is so easily disseminated that. That the thought of stopping it some hail restricting it I think is visible scores and. how De paypal learned to judge what's right and wrong particularly when you don't have the time my. Mother has still got a marble. She's not stupid to say she's upstairs watching foxtail. So she's not screaming. She's ninety six or whatever. and. She's oven of ear away. If you read something in the pipe, Econ of believed was true What The solution for this disinformation I mean even said education is the name that's what I think. It's not foolproof obviously but at least you can educate kids to. As I used to say to my students question everything. Yeah. Well, people stand at the time like this is an obvious easy one about this but the so many others that you get bombarded with you just diner you get bombarded with so much false information. You don't at the time to check it out we just get the anti-abortion is strictly leaflet dropping road with the vote Labor out, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what solution is dealing. Tell me well, actually all I can say is. When you actually need to investment on if you like. Getting around it even then yet, you can't pick your opinion. Yeah, and you've got to. You've got to find some trustworthy sources that fist. Velvet. Glove podcast McClure. But you're gonNA spend some time and and the reputation of sources I think becomes increasingly important. So. Scifo from my of view. In creating this podcast and looking at material like do look at everything from the firearm to the far left I think. And it certainly, the first thing I'd do is look at who's the shot and then who's the writer, and then that sits possible ball s scenario in my mind but. I? I'm finding increasingly that I'm trusting John Mena blog. It's only let me down once or twice. The John. West. Not Michael. Wished media also is really good. It tends to be some independent sort of blogs and media sources that I think. Are doing the job that you name for analyzing stuff whether it be podcasts or blogs or. Things like that and He's an our favorite or at all each one to say not as so all use one. Says well all of these blogs and news sites. You can use what's going Arteta, which which basically side to this piece of software. Send me articles as they produced by that blog so. It just goes out checks his any new ones put them into an inbox for you. You can rate through them and. I think increasingly, that's how people need to get their information is fine trusted sources that guy to the top of the list of that inbox and it will feed you in the same way that you'll podcast APP. Checks if this new podcast puts it in your in Europe, will it does the sign with blog pice and articles and things and and really trusting an organization to some extent? By on their reputation and if If they let you down more than a few times. Even put a question mark on what you get from them I think. The only solution I actually use an APP called flippered, which allows you to pull in different media feats, right? Okay. Turns it into a magazine. Okay. So that sounds like ours this reader, this is what? I read, which does a similar thing puts it in a magazine format. So you see the headline to picture and a little excerpt of what it starts with end, and so even for things that uses subscribe behind piles crikey. Spectator or other things like that. You can still pull in and create your own newspaper round news feed based on those sorts of things. Does it have a three go? You can put that in if you want, you can certainly subscribe to that. You getting short with the conditioning on. A quick. Yes. From giant. Air Conditioning. He's probably Buddy Hotel Zone. climatized them easily combed. Going to steal listener do you have a source that you will you think is good in terms of being objective and accurate that you'd like to share with us I should be adding to my list. Not. The spectacular or. Read them score idea raid the. On you. So. I've noticed just on that topic and I've been looking on and look I, take your point about spectator wing. I don't characterize it as right wing, but rather as conservative leaning. But because I think right wing altogether another thing right wing is. Old. Traditional. Hierarchical But Anyway I'll grant you. It Leans Conservative, which I don't necessarily think is a bad thing when you see how far down Alice's rabbit hole the left the contemporary left is gone I don't think conservative is always a bad thing because they're not all of a mind. Do you know what I mean? One thing one problem I have with people saying that's right. Wing that's left wing. That's conservative people who are left wing and not all. Of A mind of a single idea all of the right wing. It's all is talking that left. Well, let all is your thing I was just going to mention that spectator does cortisol people on regardless of party but well, but it certainly makes a distinction between left and wrong. It's definitely anti list. I'll give you that it also use the descriptive of left and wrong. Oh I, know it does all I think mistakenly I don't agree with it I mean. I'm not here to promote the spectator it's just one of the sources. But I do I do think you you? You don't give it. Proper credit because it does criticize everybody you detect any difference between these Strahl Yucai and US spectator. Haven't read the US won the Australian and the British one. Similar. I would say similar in tongue I challenge you to look at them and come back and tell me if he does descend a distinct difference between the British strident between the US I haven't seen the US have a look. Seems obvious to me than it's a little bit more rational than the two and. Still right wing, but it's at least at. At a reasonable level, I just don't think right wing is the right characterization as I said, conservative seems to fit well to me but I'll just fast forward to something while we're talking about it's tightening. Remember last week talking about. Twa Mba and it was a pre selection battle Christian soldiers. And it looked like David. was going to win and we've and he's famous four as famous for publishing a book which I can't remember what the hell it was cold. It was during the same sex marriage debate your. Dates went to train Christian lobby thing that he was speaking at. and. It was a lot a nonsense but he the thing that we walked out of that meeting saying. These people think they could win. They hadn't accepted that they were going to lose. They honestly believed they could win. and. Very grateful. They didn't win but they honestly believe they could win but Carman what the hell the book was cold but it Just. It was an anti-abortion. Sort of. He's he's going into the anti-abortion thing now but he's I. Think he's Started off as anti-abortion star over his anti-gay marriage. One of the probably both probably by he's probably always been ad everything but he's just. He's really lost. So anyway, he's a lunatic but. Anyway. Dive advantage in did not get in. Yeah, which is very good. So well is it. Okay what would you tell? That has won the we know was morning engineer Ca Hamilton he won pre selection for the be. In the game for the greenbrier election. And he described himself as a family man who loves to build things that sounds good. Also jobs in the economy. That's what we need to drive right now. So He's I. Love that. So the tumor based businessman. Formerly, time manager. Number for Tacoma and. He writes four right wing publication spectators. Who described? I'm not sure everybody does. Yeah. So I had a quick look at he's articles in speak tighter. and. And so Based on the headline and the initial. In in sort of magazine because they didn't have time to go through and read every article that much of a masochist but basically, he's articles in this big tighter. were an NT Queensland state debt article anti-government Intervention anti-china anti-drug Anti. Lift pro droop have low. That's the University of Queensland Student Who's. An anti-china free speech let's go right. He's anti nausea black lives matter he's pro Western civilization Anti Greta van Burg Pro Sky when dot Nova border controls. Accuse Queens Library. Checkbook Gerrymander critical of climate change emission targets critical of Jackie tread look all just a typical contributed to the spectator these if it if it's riding really. Problem with him being critical Jackie Trad. She certainly deserves a hell of a lot of criticism. But what's his queens and library of chick put gerrymandering. What's the hell's that's to do with the The unions can contribute to the library party. But property developers count so. So. That was basically science. Unfair. is an equal comparison. Unions and I'm pretty sure that probably develop a pretty sure that's what the. A pretty. Sure. That's what he was getting at saying. Anyway. We've reached the point now where. Right wing Christian soldiers. Irene battles with Spectator magazine contributors. That's that's where the pays at a listener. So Christians certainly could be leaning rightwing because they if they're into that traditional. Patriarchal family, centric type of worldview that sort of is the modern traditional Christian is not into helping the poor. Let's put it that way nine nine. Not. Feeling. I didn't know whether you could back that up. Because there are a lot of Christian organizations that don't. Like that. Event Jellicoe. What do you mean exactly when I say things like that I never mean one hundred percent every single one of them nine say sort of. Forced into that position. That the modern evangelical Christian, not a conservative Catholic traditional Anglican, Y- your sort of happy cloudy. A version of Christianity that's the one on the rise that we've imported from. America the sort of tea party Christian is is definitely. A pro-business low regulation and this is all the Prosperity Gospel. That's one. Of. which is your poor because God is not fair. And that's the reason you poor. So it's not a bad government helping you I've become inequality you'll bad luck. It's about finding and and in the riches will flow to you the results just think you need to check them the Term Evangelical Curse Prosperity Gospel is not really evangelical two different fish I. Believe the time has funded Jellicoe. Maybe. You sign their jellicoe. Not. injured. Prosperity Absolutely. Evangelical Christianity Predates the Prosperity Gospel by many they kites well but could the prosperity Gospel have have like a parasite consumed the host? Evangelical Christianity it's possible. But I, dare say there were still many. Self, identified Evangelical Christians out there who are not at all like the prosperity. Gospel types. Evangelical means they want to go out and convert the world to the face. That's what the ANJELICA. Event Tillich. What's descriptive word I could yields for. Chris to outside of the traditional Catholic. Anglican. Circles who into the sort of hill song sort of the Toowoomba solve. Rabid Protestants. The Prosperity Gospel Prisident? Liable but the thing about Christianity is it's so diverse. There's so many factions and monitor, which is here in the. As we know. The Prosperity Gospel is probably For The groups that are either taking the. Liberal Party. Certainly, the Prosperity Gospel Todd Christians who are looking actively because that fits very nicely and with the Liberal Party's Athos that you know it's your fault that you're not wealthy. With hodder and work out and then you'll be may be able to make a fortune. Right, I haven't thanked the Patriots in a long time to do it now before we move on any further so. In recent times, Landon high bottom, what Lee and David Cox into some bonuses via pipe l.. Thank you for that. Regular. Patriarch contributors from the top. Sean jin-ll Craig. 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Election Results Twenty twenty live is just injured during wind sick and Tam Crushes Nationals Judith Collins. And from the instruction. Danger across the ditch as incompetent lead a wins office. You surprised. seriously. Were you surprised that? I just thought I could have been a little bit of. Gracious. Yes. That's the word. Foolishly. I thought they could have been a little bit gracious but basically, whatever article you wanted to read from the Murdoch press was. New. Zealand is hitting a fucking disaster because this woman. Porn zeal and they've made a huge mistake and it's unbelievable that they've done. It is essentially what the headline. Is Clearly. Very. Passionate. Supporter of the right wing. We have to say, right wing he's real he is. But You lose credibility. When you sigh danger across the ditch. Later Dune wins. Office. I mean how the hell can they say she's incompetent now yes she's close the international border she had to to stop the infection spreading Russian. Be this song. Choice though. least choice be honest it was a choice i. Have to close the ball hedge she norm closed. The border would have had sixteen thousand Kiwis Day coming down with the virus rather than the two or three a day, which is a spark. That happened to gain a few weeks back in it's. Now, New Zealand relies heavily on international tourism. So New Zealand's government made a decision to permit to. Definitely close the International Border and they realize that they're going to cop a hape shit for doing that. So they did that and this is why that New Zealand has gone into recession and why did there is also of Consternation. I air bed having to get out of it because they've lost a hell of a lot of income from the tourism industry. But? They did have a very good. Go almost shaving elimination of the virus she only to despite trump. That's what he said. He said the only reason I did it was to show him up. She's crossed that means. You're obsessed with Murdoch trooper and I mean. I should be. Enough well, you had no obsession about the other side of things. I'll read a little bit tongue in cheek, but it was an article in the spectator of all places. Saying thank goodness we've still got murdered because he's the only bull work against the turtle takeover media by the Left, wing? The title he's Radio. Is Saving us from title Tyke ever of that was the article as I said. It a little bit tongue in cheek but. You hadn't. Comment and I can't scrawled your screen I'll get back but it's not what you want. It's it's it's it's a little bit the others bicyc- reporting. That were reporting their bias and they all a bias. Hang Guy, in he is. To Govern Zealand for sticking to them. Let's. Zealand Herald Election Results Twenty twenty live is cinder a dune wins second to crushes. About Cruel Jews. Judas. Nicknames Russia. Old Crash. Collins. Done promises to govern every New Zealand off. Election. That's a promise. She sitting here. So she said in her acceptance speech that I will govern for Every Zealand or anything. Done thinking economic climate is anything else other than a landslide because it's the first time in decades that one party has forbidden majority government. New Zealand. Okay. But the left wing bias is in totally not mentioning you get to say lift wing in these situations when. I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY Why you prefer. No, we all use shorthand. Well. The SPF you can't get much more lift than. A take, that clip. You can't get much more left wing than the you can't get more left wing, but they're pretty. Pretty. Left of center and I just completely ignore any potential for difficulty. Okay. It's it's. Just. A straight report she won she won the election I'll give you that. Okay. Thank you. You are I think you know Those free? With Murdoch All. Three of the four they're all accurate headlines, lawns, the strident I think. That's a matter of opinion. On not obsessed enough of of the diners. The will come Ridder Murdoch. Is. Is why up the dangers of the world one of the most lying I? I don't think he's concerned with balanced revolting. I think the others off. is on the gender want to do balanced reporting they're colored by their biopsies. Everybody's colored by a bias. But I think Murdoch Ashley now just after pushing his own political agenda. Oh. Well, they all have a bias. I will have a bias but difference you might say, well, this bias is a kind of gentle. Nice biased one. We like it's still a bias. You know no, no one is skewed watching something to rose colored glasses and the other is deliberately lying through green colored glasses. No, no one is deliberately distorting the Yeah. Well. I think there's a difference in intent if you think I'm. Spending too much time. Out Too much then I've got bad news. The next using spit a of. especially. The Royal Commission. Well just despicable will be one of the most powerful man on the planet. Do you think? Yes more POWERFUL THAN DONALD TRUMP? Yes. Seriously say he's a kingmaker because he has decided the prime ministers of Australia, the UK I've last. Thirty to forty years he does he's had a large chained in who the US president, but he does not control the majority of the media in the United Stein's he trawls public opinion. I think that's a stretch can. You need to read the New York Post, and he has one of the newspaper but the. As. Is. Required a lot of folks sneezes near the top. Brand, in the Cable News Network, isn't it? In terms of in terms of. Tim's of its. View isn't. As far as from what I understand Fox far outstrips the others. But just not the only one night. The anyone it's also the top lading one and that's the thing. So it's eat but Americans have access to other sources of. The Middle Dynasty. Let's move on. Just back to New Zealand. So they have. To had libra- spilt with a you as opposed to ally. UK's Strategy. Labor took out the you don't you know why? They just wanted to make sure that people didn't confuse the Australian Labor Party with the British Labour Party so they just dropped the you. Know. That's what I read. Curious and I, looked it up and that was the explanation thing the fight with the Australian Labor Party would give it away. Wouldn't you think? Yeah. So. Spell it with American spelling. Yeah. So To either in new. Zealand. They've got descend adorned with the lighter parties but with the Union and got the National Party, which is a conservative party if you like this sort of Liberal Party and. That National Party slash l version of Liberal Party did quite poorly in this election lost a lot of seats and one party. Man That did quite well was. The Act Party I say. So it improved from one to ten seats, bicycling taking votes from the National Party. Leader David Seymour is an advocate of hard wrought libertarian economics. And according to facebook entry is a member of the International Neoliberal Organiz Ation the Mon- pillar on authority. and His supporters certainly Pete. Fee of hard ride politics so So what we had was Conservatives leaving the National Party in moving to a more hard riot act party. You had a strong I don't know anything about the body. Do you know I'm just telling you what I knights that you've sort of got a little bit to go off but had you heard of them before this land had one sink before they need ten I've never heard of them. So I don't know anything about. Yeah. So. Going back through the last. Sort of elections. That I am. Let me see they had eight nine the nine than down to five one, one one and the ten sates I've been around for a wall so. They stand for individual freedom personal responsibility. Smaller government. That sort of thing. For, our natural environment do skim over that. When they say doing the best for natural environment, it seems to me. Into cutting red tight. So Repeal Zero, Carbon Act and the oil and Gas Spain. Probably doesn't really qualify them as being doing the best natural environment. It's a matter of opinion. Yeah I mean if you're going to. Repeal Zero Carbon Act. They want to. Elan, vistas from our countries to this having to jump through bureaucratic dupes. What else did I have the is that? That might have indicated. Their environmental credentials went side right I can't find it anyway. That's The Act Party so I just think it's interesting to me. While disinterred did well, this is the polarization that's happening in our society like face of it, you might have thought. Zealand's gone. Leftish socialists even voted strongly for Eliaba government Elaine's line, but just be mindful that on the right side, the fights went to a party that was even harder rod than the nationals. So I see as an indication of A. Widening Chasm which is happening everywhere seems to me. Religion, actually as people move away from religion The religious groups have drifted more more conservative So realistically that the growing sector of Christianity. By here in the US is evangelical is the right way the middle is disappearing. Kind of Hall Joe Evangelical Does Not Mean Right Wing. You really need to be a little careful of that determine fundamentalist that would probably be close to. More, traditional understanding of religion. Because some even evangelical Sir actually quite left wing. You will find that. Tiffany one place rolling power in Gosford. I Kay listening Anglican. Yeah but Anglicans can enjoy. This is the point evangelical just main somebody who is really strongly committed to going out in. Converting the last two to the faith. I I remember even my local church when I was a kid I went to chose for England church, and in the the Tom I was a teenager, the church minister. Wasn't Evangelical Anglican? He was very much an evangelical he wasn't. He wasn't into money or getting rich or any of that sort of bullshit he was into just convert making sure everybody had access to to Christianity in God love what's the difference between very proactive Anglican in an evangelical. A lot of go even jellicoe and see if there's anything interesting they. Rub Our right of. Very. Strong on secular Rashid's he is but he's also quite left wing. He's very sort of pro a pro refugee and. Seems to embrace quite a few of what we would perhaps consider left wing causes. The chat rooms as the of right wing and evangelical discards. Right. Well, so evangelical Christianity is transformational movement within Protestant. Christianity that maintains the belief. The essence of Gospel consists of the doctrine of salvation by grace alone solely through faith in Jesus is assignment. So that is the only deciding factor. To. Anglican is that you will find him. Across the nomination so he believe that looks can't save you only belief in Jesus can save you like, but that's the Protestant ethos essentially. because. D Listener standing is it when it comes to Catholicism. Add Up your deeds and where you go to bed threat you live from that's what goes towards the heaven. But in the Protestant tradition it was do you believe in God as yours idea is the mind thing it doesn't matter what sort of nonsense to during your life. If at go death, you actually believed the other things were that. The. Anybody could be administered. You didn't have to be a would dined minister sort of a Protestant. In. Is, a Soda Presbyterian, possibly. As definitely a Presbyterian. Our grew up as a Presbyterian you had a He had A. Way. They do have their own ministers who? Would dined in the Presbyterian. Fife and they are. They do go to. Bible seminary. College in that sort of stuff and they learn and become a minister. Does that the other big difference of courses in the Catholic Church you have to go through the Catholic? Church. Day Are God's representatives on earth where you're seeing protestanism. You don't need a church. You can just have your own personal relationship with the scarf ferry, of course. On. I can. See Well we've got well by the time we meet next week to the US election. It'll be Tuesday night and I've on a cheese day they. Achieved us. I. After something that will find out. Wednesday Thursday next week, we'll be finding out the result of useless. Already next Tuesday I. Think. So I, I think it's Yeah. Coins, I got a satellite guided. You've already voted yes. I like going along. You're allowed to vote in the US election. Sorry. Yeah quite. Yeah. So anyway, that'll be next week before we meet. We've this. Yeah. You're in if you're in favor of voluntary assisted dying ladies and Gentlemen Yar Quainton I recommend you vote for the Labor Party food aid. Botha pudding. Any votes to the Pommie United Party the liberal, the liberal nationals because about one nation Scott. One I lost the Greenspan fiber. Are, the grains are in favor of it. Yeah. It's just. If you if you want to talk purely voluntary assisted dying in library or the grains first and second and then the you. Fill out the rest of your belt type of the way you wish they got pull you could buy grain. Could But I won't. Now Look I have to say the raise on voting live at this time, and I am as A. said the other the other day I'm a lifelong live a vita. Reached the point with the live a party I am so. pissed off that they have been captured by the social. Justice Movement. Just on the State Labor. Party. Captured the whole live apart but but. In terms of the you would aside. Let's involuntary. This dog was done and dusted. And you assign. Couldn't acquaintances L. MP principle but just tell me how the tell me how the State Library Party has been captured by. Social Justice Warriors, it's been captured. Just in general, an example of having been captured I don't have an example of the state I'll give you that I don't have off the top of hidden example from the state, but every time I listen to members of. The Federal Labor Party. I just keep thinking oh you guys. Drifting further and further into the Social Justice Movement and I will struggle to vote for the Federal Labor. Party at the next time, what federal when you say the federal has been captured by the Social Justice Movement what what things of the federal live of That's to you that sounds social justice warrior wish. There, they've embraced the whole. Bit specific like. The wage disparities between males and females if they exist. I mean, we talked about this before. But That was really social justice. Warrior. When they Had when they had the Albanese's budget reply speech and he went through it, and then he the individual he threw in a through in his saying that we're going to move towards constitutional recognition of indigenous people in Australia. Which? Good example. Thank you Scott. That is an example. Of, what I was looking for because I really don't see it very much in the live of Hoti on in the Federal Labor Party. That's wrong. Really. Yeah. So that's why I wanted a specific example if you could give more than that start writing them down east too because I think there's a perception that Labor is. Caught up in a lot of the social justice warriors stuff and in the I think you're thinking of the all admit to you that the grains. Totally, totally in the woods, but I just don't see it so much with live and the my argument libraries is they really not different enough from the Liberals in intimidating respects dancing. Differentiating themselves enough. To me. That's more problem with live on the stand up for significant differences with the peso coverage you to look more critically and listen more critically when they speak because she will hear all these little. They'll drop little references that really. design. Designed to pick up those social justice leaning votes. My challenge to you is give me an example like Scotts. And that's that's a good example. Admit was a great example and that's true. They are on board with indigenous rocking mission issues but black lives matter to have not talked about like lightning think they said much more. Too strong other than it's understandable. Why? You I think that super strong I think when you hear comments. That Sansei she'll justice warrior issued that they really coming from the grains all from. Lift wing activist groups. Becoming much from the body I'll I'll try to collect some examples and I urge you to listen more critically when they speak I listened very on my on finally chained to pull believe me, I, know but we all have policies. And I. I don't mean this. Offensive Way that you very much chewed into that sort of left leaning. Night on very discerning so I was able to descend spiked as. I could tell you more about spiked and the differences between the US UK and Alsi then you would and you're spilling over. The US the US, the UK and I didn't sparked I'm sorry spectator. I can discern a difference easily the. Honestly. Think that I am not into these things. You think wink. Yes, absolutely. Is Conservatives right wing. That's a now more than happy with that summary of them. But anyway. Look guys always saying I will certainly be voting for the Queensland. Labor Party. But through clenched teeth see even when it comes to lockdown, you couldn't cy on. Viking. Because, I prefer the locked in policy. Why because our exactly this I know yes. No I despise the as SAIPA. Disenchanted with to live a party wrong that it gets harder and harder every year to keep fighting for them. Yeah. So I. Think you got any choice, but to vote for the Labor Party but. It's just it's absolutely no. Since the Elian pay has come up with agree what leads in the chat room he's joined the live of Party and. And he said he attended online sort of live a party conference and he said the only thing I saw the new South falls convention that was social justice. Each was acknowledgement of previous ownership. Again, all that bullshit and. With pater. Prepared to one hundred percent on the. Thank. We're on the same page when it comes to some issues. Yeah. I. I'm. A little bit. Try when you do have this. How welcome to country in a rather than saying it just once. In a that. Insight. Once. And that's fine. But rather than saying it just once you've got everyone that stands up in front of the market Finan-, she says an odd to wish to sign Mirus base to. What is it the elders past president? Of Gas Chew, signaling of the most vomited scanned agree one hundred percent. Pull from dire straits. A genuine question. What's the difference between rattling and conservative? Well right wing. If we go back to the French Revolution, which is where it comes from the right wing. Monarchists the traditionalist people who wanted to keep. Things. Talk Chrissy in the church at the top of the hierarchy and the ordinary people at the bottom. That's right. In other words the Conservatives No. Conservative now, because name at policy difference between. All that's a right wing but not conservative or that's conservative but not right wing can you give me a policy a? Policy position an idea concept with I would differ with I would differ. I dare say there's there's a bit of overlap. That you said to make. These concerned but not right wing. Such as they want to basically preserve the institutions that we have they don't want any radical initially launching. No. I would have thought right wing would want to. Institute a more of a police state in more authoritarian control. That's right. Wing to me is authoritarian. Dan Dan. Andrews gets accused of Ovarian. He's left wing I. Well, he's alleged I left wing and yet as soon as he gets. -Tarian ISM is I decree Strips the citizens of the. Civil on, agree with a thorough Teheran ISM is an of right wing, but not conservatism because it's also indicia of wing is what is indicator of? So can you can you give me an idea that is conservative but not live right wing is rolling but is not concerned about specific policies but when I make conservative people and I know a few. They, just people who don't want radical change. You know what I mean that they did not against. Progress progressive. Social Change that brings improvements to tell me that spectacular you sign it's conservative not right wing. So what would I not see? that. I would see if it was right wing. Kohl's authoritarianism I would've now we've dealt with that. Give me another one. 'cause we're dealt with our terrorism could be left twelve pro monarchy with right wing wouldn't it? I kind say The. End Boone be conservative might be. Conservative might also be pregnancy existing position wouldn't it be both? Overlap for sure. But now want one a difference. I want you to tell me where an idea which is, which is conservative, but he's not right wing or is right? Well, it is not conservative people might not be what an idea just just because you silence spec tied doesn't have. A bad ideas said, tell me an idea that wouldn't find inspect Tida because it's a right wing idea and it's not a conservative idea. You'll have to I'll have. On the second, we'll put that under advisement. Sorry because it's a genuine question. Junior. Question. What's the difference valid question but you know I mean, would you a Malcolm? Turnbull. For example, is he right wing I need to talk about ideas. Ideas rather than people because it's. Easier to deal with and clearer because people encompass a whole range of things juice and we'd have to talk about is civic idea that a person holds can. That's what I'm trying to think dealing with people makes it more. Confusing so if you could knicks told us a lot of overlap if I could give you the Homework Nov ninety that is either conservative, not right wing or his rightwing, but not conservative that you would find or not finding spectators because spic tied at ease conservative Rodman Ron Wing. That's my. Then please provide an example for dire straits that'd be great. Just Over all of us. For All. Going Dire Straits history of comments about me, but I wouldn't give him the time. Example. Because he did sire. So Fa Mi. Rod. design, genuinely and. Valid these these. Ideas as as abstract shorthand as we need to for various concepts. So we need to make sure we're thinking the right thing because part of the problem with was when. Is. Fan that we were thinking. We were talking about the same thing when we're using an abstract idea but in fact, we are talking about completely different things. So it's important deny that when we have an encompassing shorthand for an idea that we have agreement about what that. Is it's it's a good discussion to have. I. Agree. Very good. I K. Donald trump just before. Go to hear. My on do I have it on as Sportsman behaving badly on this podcast. We cannot cannot be curious violent A. Man. CanNot be serious and the cannot be curious guys to. Greg Norman Really Florida based Norman says trump has kept his promises to voters from my business perspective. He's done a phenomenal job. Norman says from an executive interview. So yes, he is bombastic. Yes. A different star, but to seem actually commit to his word about what he wants to do. Is Actually, pretty impressive. Greg Norman's not exactly up there among the intellectual giants the world is yeah. So. And do you really think that Holly Odu poll? That was an article from the Australian. Rise. It's GonNa ask you it. Now. No hinshaw, CITIZENSHIP This is a German citizenship ceremony. Where Lebanese, Dr? Refused to Shaikh a woman's hand at the naturalization ceremony. And he said he'd promised his wife. He would avoid greeting with the opposite sex and so even though he had passed the examination with flying colors and was set to receive a certificate when he refused to shake the hand of the woman at the ceremony. She held on the certificate said not so fast Shalva fucking hand. and. He's he's had withheld. I have absolutely no problem with that. Whatsoever. If you go to a country that has a policy that you've gotta shake hands and this stuff you should bloody will shake hands. I have no problem with that at all we've had this before the story came up. France wasn't soon. Switched, Switzerland This when they went to shake the his hands Yay. Citizenship, and on that occasion I believe in. Pool, what do you think I think it's trivial reason not to award citizenship if the guy had gone through all jump through all the hoops. And at the last step. It's A. It's a bit funny that one official at K. India, power sorority to despite him jumping through hoops passing all the tastes. Now, you're not gonNA have held. The final. Concert. Treating people equally exactly, and that is the most important taste that should be applied to all citizens is going to treat people differently if get back up there i. It was a imagine our German citizen for refusing to shake a woman's hand. Yeah and that was the whole point. Lebanon's doctor is Muslim. Exactly. So you've got this situation in Europe we've got a you got a blood Kevin his head cut off for having a having a poster of the Prophet Mohammed. The head incident has no relation to this adult. I think he has. To because this is Germany trying to get any equality of their whole government of the whole system. They're trying to say that you've got to shake people's hands in this country with the main or women or what have you just give you didn't worry nation. Yeah. In it's ruling the court said the German cool anyone who refuses a handshake grams of gender is in breach of the country's constitution handshakes deeply rooted in social cultural and legal life symbolized the conclusion of the contract. It made no difference to judge said that the doctor has since announced, he would refuse to shake hands with men. So the coolest thing, it symbolizes the conclusion of a contract. As a sort of a cultural deeply rooted in social cultural Nagel life because he said lied, I actually refused to check in with the man as well. So. He's consistent. He wasn't. He said if it's going to be that way, then I won't shake hands with Matt and. But initially, he said I won't shake hands with you because all. The court said, it doesn't matter man or woman We conclude deals in this country by shaking hands and it's a cultural issue for. Germany claims to be a multicultural society doesn't it? So anti being a little bit? What's the cultural head gymnasts? If they're saying that we will not accept any cultural signifying action except the ones that we have here in. Germany. So I mean if they're gonNA be consistent with the The policy multiculturalism. You have to allow other people tubes of different ways of concluding an agreement jerry she think Germany has probably Looked at they how experiment with multiculturalism? And they might have said. Fuck. We've gone too far. Exactly as this is this is your. Back she's saying in this country, you fucking shake hands on. You know then I, love these lamb dina either and that I think in the mass migration of Muslims into Europe is probably in the long run going to turn out to be a very bad lot disaster. Yes. However, I just think it's a really trivial. Grounds to refuse this guy citizenship they've they've led him on, they've put him through all these know examination process. He's passed everything with flying colors and then he gets the finance. That is part of the taste. A handshake is part of the test. Absolutely. So he's read everything that says you must treat men and women equally. Straight and gay equally the. Yeah look a handshake. A handshake does not. Necessarily mean he's not treating me and women the same. You'll standing like a social justice warrior he well, let's just. Say. Todd. I just put the comments because good. least is that sounds like social justice, the pull Nelson who not at all? Good any politics? What Lee says not just twelve leads the much to freedom. Not at all I am. Not a social justice warrior but I think the German. Consistent is big brother issues that the reason why I was just petulant on on the part that official I thought it was just petulant may well have been pitch on it, but it was pitching for bloody good raises. Did you have an issue with? Women wearing the Niqab or burqa in. Australia. Did you think that that was acceptable in our cultural context look? I'm not into dictating how people dress however every time I see a woman. In Niqab I, it makes me feel like Oh dear I. Hope this sort of thing doesn't increase right? So I'm definitely not in favor of it the pitch. But I wouldn't be dictatorial walked up to the citizenship Syrian. Marigny Niqab and refused to shy canes. He's he's getting jealous because I think I think the face is an important aspect of social interaction I. Think if you can't see a person's face your opinion than. Other saying, Hey, check is very important. Look at my but look as you know I lived in Japan and the Japanese have adopted the Western custom of handshakes and they will shake your hand obviously but but that was an that was a sort of. A concession. To to to Westerners when Westerners started coming to Japan is hold because off seen families in Japan. Greet you know a family members returning from overseas and they greet them at the airport. No hugging whatsoever touching that looked really really happy and. Smiling and laughing, but there was no physical embrace now to us that and to me it was a little bit odd. I would have thought that physical embrace was just a natural expression of joy when you see a family member and yet not in not every cult. Tentative scenario we've got a culture where people don't touch each other and somebody's at a citizenship ceremony ninety, the Brazilian and I received the certificate and. And like Gallup and give the person a big. Hug for this. In a culture with touching, each other's frowned upon and the guy says I'm not giving you some significant near touched me. It's possible. And Seemingly, if you were an agreement that the Germans were justified in refusing then then let's say the. Extreme Japanese culture what are you doing united touch people that what. You've filed the test because you've committed a offense calloway and learn how to. Japanese. One of these extremely rare non-japanese who was awarded Japanese citizenship it happened, but it's very, very difficult to obtain. Now, what if you're one of those guys you'd learn the Japanese language you could read and write. Japanese. You can speak fluently you knew the customs and you went to receive a certificate and you didn't bail low enough and said, we're not giving it to you now how would you feel? Yeah, but don't you think that? If you're going to go that far the would learn at all and you decide that I K- I hug is inappropriate. Even actually says you don't touch us. In your citizenship papers and all that sort of stuff you wouldn't go give someone a hug, which is e presumably pull the person was giving the certificate said I want you to check the hand and the gossip non-monetary in the Japanese situation for said, you just didn't allow enough please bail allowing we're GONNA. Okay. I'll be sorry. Can I have? Like this is a person who's being obstinate in saying I'm not going to comply with your cultural being saying look to give the guy he's to he was being consistent to his son in A. Deeply held beliefs. Which is proven to be which proven to be completely. Inappropriate, in a European sitting I'm gonNA. Fond entire discussed the sweet Swiss. Curls I think. Guy Back for years I. Reckon you had a different viewpoint did I suspected yeah it's possible on one of those people who is evolving know who's capable of changing their mind off his In in the chat room? Yes we are. GonNa, talk about the strip searches in Qatar. Let's do it now. Yeah. Absolutely. There's plenty shocking wasn't aside basically. Finally. On applying to return hyme, they're in Qatar in a sort of A. taught situation. And the local authorities find a fetus in a bathroom wasn't food. It was a newborn baby going by was alive. And it was. A little bit premature. That was in the report ride, but it was alive. Toilet or something. they've been on with this by become from in basically halted all planes in that grabbed the women, the women from presumably Qantas Flight I guess autism. And basically got them out, put them into an ambulance on the commack and force them to undergo an examination Fujimoto. Cavities Jesus to see if they had given recently given birth giving. And these women. Were initially refusing when told what was about to happen and but it was like, well, do you want to get back to Australia or not because? The subject. Shocking it is pulling. Was Citizenship being offered Nice? Wasn't being offered or anything like that. It was it was bloody really very. It's really quite sickening for us to about it because it was. It was such a violation of these people's privacy. I'm supposed to go through that sort of thing. And To be. Subjected to that talk of. Thing. Is really very crooked. Actually I'd. Else to say. It was a pool I think as bad as it is. Their country, it's their laws. If. You choose to transit through the that's the thing. That's why years ago we well. We started ticking off countries if we could never guy to Scott because we're particularly aggressive and about Islamic countries. Minded list. If transit it'll it'll. Be. I'm never -NIFICANT GUY to. Those, countries. Some years ago I was actually contemplating looking for work in the middle because as a teacher. That's one. Place where you can actually go in and get paid reasonably well or at least it used to be better. And a friend of mine who had worked and was going back to it to actually encourage me said, yeah pull you can get a job over there. Easy. And I thought about it. The more I thought about the more I thought. Now I just would not be comfortable because I know that at any given time if you cross onto the wrong side of the law there. They. Out. Government. Can really do nothing for we just once on a guy who was kind to the transit lounge and he had a hesitation had an image on it and. Being a silhouette of a woman and breasts of something like fairly time by an standards but Greg transplants and he's been a bit of time in the slammer. Nothing was nine. I'm restores the women who have been writing on beaches or wherever, and then being charged with adultery I. Guess. Yeah. So you are taking a risk, it's sort of. Well. On the one hand, you could say you should have known but colleagues Mike's. This millions of people transit through those those Middle Eastern. Stopovers, and there are a couple of prominent ones they. As Bahrain and what's the other one you cut out of? The, the the USDA. Divi. Automatic there's a Lotta people now. It will change he traveled planes to not transit through. country. If it was just a stopover and I wasn't leaving the airport, I would. Probably do. They were on a transit dos. Dire Straits. said that these people had they made off the plane now. The case but that Neither after applying come. July would you leave a baby in the toilet if you've never got off, this is the whole point. We signed the head not even been off the plane think he's missing film well, that wouldn't be surprised but doesn't Sandra Line but certainly though I think pretty sure that I'll just in transit. So The government should put a danger warning on visiting Qatar Ebay routes does so I think that's a very good idea. Now one other sort of clash of cultures taught issue is in relation to nudity on facebook. So there's an article here from the IB see. We're going to get banned by Youtube if we put this up. Well who knows if we are not? Dangerous -Ly Yeah. So what we've got is Widnall Binko is wired about posting certain images from high island on Feis. and. Basically some photos taken in. Vanuatu have been liable violation of facebook's nudity and sexual activity standards. He said he's account of being blocked for weeks as a result in essentially he showing pictures of. Villages in the traditional garb where we've pretty much got women Inc. Rosca. To not much else and the guys are in not much at all. But of a loincloth with sort of a penis shaef something that it was cold and facebook. had. Banned them based on nudity and then when he complying facebook said terribly sorry. Sorry. For Insulting. You culturally them protest back straight up which it's all good. Into that. Why be at? US. Interesting. This is the problem of an international sort of platform which is making. Rules based on cultural. Sort of sensitivities as to what's acceptable in terms of nudity when there's Levels of what's acceptable around the world who will mixing on the platform. I think it was actually an automated thing But that leads to funny story my work in the government many years ago. Queensland government. Whose before Campbell Newman? Oh. Sorry. No. My life of Peter Beatty. Apparently, the flesh filters were picking up Peter. Beattie's photographs because of his head. And there was just too much flesh in the scene. Was Blocking emails, Pfizer? That's on facebook. This this was internal government emails. All right that was a filter. Expose. Your opponent feel. God. Always, a clash of rights this is an example of. Where we talk about bill of rights and things and you have to structure sort of improved brush terms, you have a right not to be subjected to. Sexually, offensive nudity. You've got a right to express your culture. And he the clash between the two of them somebody has to decide where Jewish law. That will dumb with that one we'll move on we've done. Qatar. You just see. So you WanNa, say something. I there was, of course, the National Prayer Breakfast I actually we're to get back to new. We've completely skydiver new Sultana of Satan. Sibling for another half hour. Up to ninety five cheese. Listeners. This podcast long because my wife's is too long. She's always said that. Has A in the in the Mrs Fist Short attention. Now so Long tell us but. Not, we could get the sixty s but I can I last week as you know, we had robin with his With his stunt outside of Kelvin Grove. Stike college and. What we had in response the Korea Mile. Spoke to the Queensland. Education Minister Grace Greis. That's not a lie D listener. That is what? Is. Erotic, given the subject matter and all the rest of dying. So talking about relevant hanging at he's flaw as in education. Minister Grace Christ said quote. School should not be used as a backdrop for a political stunt. This is ridiculous. I do not support this behavior. Police and kill them gripes state. Colleges leadership team are aware. What a thinly veiled threat, right? So threatening legal action is what it sounds like. Isn't it? The police involved, which makes nice as well. Sir Because Robin was doing everything was so brother Damon's. Demagogue yeah. Brother Samuel D'Amato Golden Doing Zach everything these supposed to do at Saad on the footpath he hinted at flaws to a couple of kids and the photographs that would where the backs of students so you couldn't identify who they were. Yeah and Says little perfectly legal imagine well, we well role than the input that I press release Gatien then. Which? Is a great picture of Robin rating the Curry Mile. It's a terrific picture if you're watching the youtube or the facebook this. Picture of them there. So. This attempt site and put out a response saying, this is grossly unfair. Imagine. If you went on the record cy, the Christians or a Christianity, or Islam is ridiculous. Imagine if she warned them that the police have denied away. He makes the point. This type of discrimination is precisely the sort of thing that Scott Morrison wants to ATL BY INTRODUCING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM LAWS Scott Morrison understands religious freedom. He understands that applies to all religions including site museum. He wants to protect rats, teach sightings them in schools, and you shouldn't have practice what he preaches and from our reading of the draft religious discrimination bill it a peace Christ would be in breach of section seven, which says in effect. A person discriminates against non personal. The grand of the other person's religious belief if the person treats the other person less favourably than the person treats another person who does not have or engage in the religious belief in circumstances that are not materially different. So. So. They Guy Grace Grace made a big mistake and she's ridiculed site Newsham. She's threatened. I member of the clergy of site museum it was performing legally. This. Other religious groups are welcomed into the state school system in allowed to teach to L. Young state school students and. Clearly, a case religious discrimination. Needs to have another look at the law. Yeah. So unfortunately, D listener this didn't go on any further and. have any impact in the Queensland election bought that little piece. is going to become all important down the track if the religious discrimination bill is revived. And people are wondering what will the bill do and? Are there any. Unintended consequences things that may be. The Christian. Proponents. Might give them second thoughts as to. With I should be passing that Bill I. think that's a really interesting response in a really useful one. Down the track for some ammunition when this debate comes back up. That will be interesting. So Underplay a little bit. Now, of course, robin has got he's black mess ceremony coming up this Saturday Friday night for Yes for those who've got tickets. Good luck. And be restrained on facebook will be streamed on facebook if you're not following the news of Satan to facebook page. Crazy. I've been re. Pasting he stuff on air facebook page but I'm going to stop doing that soon because surely near you all following the News Temple of site and facebook page. Don't remind me to keep passing things on so. because. Just starting to look. Temple. I'M GONNA start cutting back. To travel, and you have to go look at yourself and follow because I'm not going to keep you out. But here is Martin on aisles told me about the black mass ceremony because. On vacation today Martin, we're going to be talking about another element that's happening in Queensland and perhaps Christians are especially interested because there is a spiritual dimension to what is coming, but there is a public black mess. That has been jailed for the eve of the Queensland Style election, and interestingly it is I politically motivated black mass. Now I, wonder if you've had any thoughts about that because coming up ahead of the election, there's this black mass that's happening and there's a lot of issues here. But one of those that imply and I'll get your thoughts here is that is that they doing this because it's a statement of religious freedom. That they're going to be having it any thoughts around what's coming. Yeah look. I've actually noticed that So I've been in the political world for that sticks us, and that time one of the things that has hit me comet again is the most powerful thing that we do as Christians in the political sphere is pride. and. So the site nece prying is, is, of course, a concern I think it's deeply destructive to them because paying. Religions Destroy People like nothing else and it's very sad. But this is gaining a foothold community bring terms of what it can do to the political process I think that Christians can band together and pry and we know who is great at one. We don't who is the strong one and and I believe that that is that is the right thing to do I. believe that that will be effective as to whether it's a statement of religious freedom. They're actually deliver doing this to try and cause havoc but people who are advocating for religious freedom as a as a really deceptive and tricky thing going on here. It's like, Oh, well, you say religious freedom. Well, what about the site? and there's they playing a game and that's really sad but Look Sadly, they do have the freedom to do it, but we have prayer ought. Good, luck with that. Prayer the most powerful thing they can do is. Get, guys on that. I cut it in. On an honor to be at appraised elective delusion. Really the most powerful thing they can do is pride they're talking to themselves. Let's let's hope that's the most baffling they can do. The rest doesn't bear thinking about. Well it's looked like the prayers that working. On The black mist is going to go on and is GonNa get a hell of a lot of attention on lawn and not all's is clearly another. He's a complete lunatic. My hobbies not going to send me saying that, but it's opinion. You'RE GONNA. Defend me piece Oh. Yeah I think it's really anyway but what he did sign. And he finished on. Finish. He said here I quite I think it's deeply destructive to them because pagan religions destroy people like nothing else. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Well, this is again just means non Christian religion. This is actually religious vilification like you know you can't bringing religious freedom laws and Martin O'Neill's can't sign this sort of exactly the hang held religious actually he can. Be Able to he should be able to express his opinion freely. However. He's talking to ask you he's talking to me somebody's Shit I. Saw It just gives me sorry bloody frustrated that you have. Martin. Houses at this sign is nonsense. Advocating for religious freedom, but he's denying the religious freedom to the sightedness. Anyway. He recognizes what's happening and there's really Nothing. PRY power also is because All their lives in religious people of the Christian Islamic whatever. They've been taught. You know that site is a real person and that Satan's Satan's power is a real power out there and it destroys people and makes them into evil horrible people and and he obviously believes that true. Well, there's a number of prayer meetings that are being organized in opposition to the Satanic Mass. So. I've gotten the shine nights, different links to that. So the ICL is sort of organized on which will be at the new life church it whim by. You can go there and join them in the prayer. I'm sorry it's hilarious. So that is gonNA to their brain mead's. Really funny. Well according to the ICL and it's the most powerful thing they can do. Cheeses Cross. OFF THE SUNSHINE cash churches applying against evil. On fraud. She's GonNa. Look at the reaction to the site and flight that he was cold. Would I flew up this love religious freedom hieaux Sidon the reaction to that was incredibly positive laws. So. There's also a Michael and The Nina. Against the NOOSA black mass. Oh, this is a coordinated Feis book. Vein. With people. Prying every naught. Nevena to sent Michael the Archangel in reparation for the atrocities of the blackness. For the purification of change. For, her deliverance from the attacks of sytem. You can imagine can't you sort of the DACA missed descending on NUSA is? Brought about by the power of citing in all the Christians trembling in fear. What happened Apparently sent Michael as the Archangel sent Michael, the archangel is heralded as the defender of the Church and chief opponent of sight him. So he's intercession is powerful against diabolical forces. So that's happening and also. In the comments section, some of the comments that are going on in these groups. Andric. deigned to to bird says. Thanks to the organizers of this Nevada I'm pleased inform you that the sisters of the Imaculada in Tasmania and the calmly nuns in. Alaba now you smell about. Small a joining us in. Praia, love. New is under the patronage of Our Lady of Perpetual Sucker. US Open upon. Imaculada mother of the perpetual help you who received from God, the Commission to crush the serpent's head pray for us and Joseph Tear of Demons Pry for us sent Michael the Archangel and all heavenly spirit especially on Guardian Angels for US defend. US fought with us this day and always the battle of the Lord I mean these are the sorts of comments league going on this magical thinking. This is pure magical. Thinking is the idea that if you say the right magic words. You can tap into that universal magical power In the chat room congratulations, we've reached one hundred messages. So that's good going keep going because we're going to keep going to get through still well done chat. Yes. Thank you. So let's So that was all of the Noosa Temple of site and stuff I think we had to get through so. Follow is facebook page over there and joining and watch the black mass ceremony online. It should be a hoot I think it's going to be hysterical Let me see what else have we got here. In for opinion, for Pantley the value of the humanities decree. So it'd be listening we spoke. Last week the week before. Last week was the. The cost of a humanities degree had gone up to like eleven thousand dollars. Thanking per year. where? The Gritty. forty-five grand. A lot of money for humanities degree incisively the argument from this Morrison, government is well, let's not a degree that get you a job. So what's the point but a lame excuse I mean, you can understand a medicine degree or an engineering degree or something that requires fairly sophisticated. Equipment and infrastructure in the university to use as teaching materials right so whatever. But humanities, it's just books. For Goodness Sake. Any special equipment So it's a complete rip off is what it is. I mean subsidizing the other more expensive degrees isn't it they? Penalizing there. The how point said that the penalizing. Degree students. And funneling that ill gotten gains towards. The the people who will more likely go on to very high paid jobs. Thing that I find really distressing about this is that they've got broken up into three forty anyway. Komo's which is what autograph. Was Dan there in the third t at eleven and a half grandy. Which is Very expensive. Yeah. And that's job ready the grim exactly with votes are. The reason was anyway. But to talk about with this humanities degrees and Just want. is brought. Daniel Gregory Roddy, in the John menadue blog. And earlier this year, an eminent philosopher and former pro vice chancellor of Cambridge University Dr Heighten, or Pasta. Why announcing his passing? We'll plug in the profession to retention to the woods. He had written in opposition to the view that the humanities to live out nothing Cabrera to the immense improvements in health and standards of living which the science is made possible. The words were striking pot because Mailo himself had trained as by a philosophy and an engineer. So Mellow Aknowledge, the remarkable achievements of signs but added. These benefits while still far from universal. Hours widespread as they are. Is. Do not assigned but to social development like the end of slavery, the protection of children, the spread of education democracy and the rule of law respect for human rights there on his tried and so on. These are products of filaments not in science, but in the humanities in ethics, economics show political and legal theory and in the arts as in novels like Charles Dickens. Nicholas. Nickleby is public impact destroyed schools. Like it's dreadful. Dauth Boys Hall. So. Good points there that. Yes science is a great in terms of. Scientific advances to L. Food clothing shelter. But when it comes to things like education democracy rule of law respect for human rights, these things that come out of the humanities. The Humanities Except to unique contributions to help us better understand the momentous events they are communal and personal lives and secondly. Remind us of what is horrible about humankind according to this article. For example, political philosopher and arraigned in her book about the trial of Adolf Eichmann, said. The trouble with Augmon was precisely that simony we lock him in that. The many would neither perverted nor statistic they were and still are. Terribly and terrifyingly normal. So. These are all really interesting insights that are things that come out of the humanities. So, yes. Celebrate scientific achievements but. It's important that we look at history and philosophy and literature. And it's also here in this part governments must also that universities are meant to serve the whole community. This is what I should support the humanities because the humanities do contribute to the whole human hall community and critically by my contributions which they alone can make. So that's part one of topics I've got here, and another one was from the see an article by Rosemary bonds, and she graduated with a degree combined degree engineering and arts majoring in philosophy. And Paraphrase it. He read too much already but bicycling. Yes. The engineering degree gives you skills that make you job ready. But. Often, those skills are quickly superseded in the things that you learnt at. Uni. For Your Job Ready Engineering. Lot of that became obsolete within five or six years different cad during programs or other specific things that you might learn. Sometimes be kind quickly obsolete in. Whereas the humanities degree was quite long lasting and she said that. In an engineering degree. Basically, the more time she spent studying a subject. The big ride she got but in an arts degree time wasn't the. Thing it was actually how good was the idea was good idea unique idea anomaly d. a. will expressed in that time spent knuckling Dan understanding it wasn't so much the thing as. As these other issues, which was interesting contrast. She saying obviously the points that both degrees in she holding both felt very strongly that the arts degree had gang for. Having done by thoughts engineering say. So. Yeah. That sort of indefensible humble lots degree although some good points very. Very. Good defensive sign. I don't think do any view chaps disagree with. The thrust of it's fun. Again. Well, I would just like to take what later task ever something if he just roll backup. Businesses in a degree it's a causing chasing lying and swimming. What? I am not Eliah. I'm not cheat and I'm not a swindler. Thank you. Good. Point. Good Point. Yeah Here we? says. Is Business. I humanities degree lots of international students they are does it applauds domestic students. What business degree there's two types isn't there. There's just a general business communications degree. Yeah which is probably a little bit more humanities than anything else, and then as a business accounting degree, which is what I did. Yeah. She's what qualifies you to become an getting stepping stone to a CPI. Is. Quite different. Counties really fit into the camp very well does it it's shared a lot of electives. The accounting saw it had a lot of bank reconciliations. Bookkeeping rules and tax and well there. were, only four accounting, and then there was one two three or five or six subjects that I did to just pure accounting subjects. Then there was business statistics there was computing which I did two or three two subjects in computing. And then was tax law business law. That's shit. So there was. I think sorry I think the big difference between a business accounting degree and a business. To business a Canon degree probably ee window because he wanted to become an accountant. So that was way some specific job ready skill. Exactly. Yeah. So that was the whole point that was a very job ready skill that was a very job brady. Degree business communications our our way you would go out and get a job with that but clearly, they get jobs with. So here's another thought for you finish with this one because I told him item on the. With covid and lockdowns and the number of doctors economy out with theories on. On all of his and we tend to sort of, well, it's a doctorate must know what they're talking about and he was saying that really a medical degree should be looked down as a vocational degree because he was saying. You really learning very specific. Job Ready Skills are bad and and drugs, and treatment and. Compared to other degrees like a true humanities degree where you are required to research analyze compare contrast wrought reports. Look Nuance. All those sorts of things. Saying really medical degree is. Like a mechanic learning, how to tinker with the With the car, it's quite a vocational degree. It's not actually good training for writing. Scientific articles if you like because you don't do a lot of that in a medical degree so. Any. Doctors out there in the chat room. Feel free to contradict minutes as the why of looking at it as a independent. Strikes Dentistry is very much vocational this courses well, yes. Into the yeah and today the trace we're not did law. It was very vocational based that wasn't neely. Ethical conundrum type of discussion that I would. I Thought it was you would have expected in a law degree you would get. Wouldn't you a little bit in Criminal Law. There was talking about the principles of sentencing with recidivism and punishment and do study wine nice things story of the British legal staying need a BICYC- of that but you really learn it. Just to understand the validity of the constitution that then led to the other laws it was it wasn't a lot of discussion in terms of. Ethical conundrums and and rights of the you might expect it was quite a job ready top degraded ninety audited a key which was. kind of that was this thing was it was like a job ready? To a Saint Stein key, which was supposedly a little bit more. Up. Belivel-. Theoretic. Traditional. Do. You think you coast would have been improved by having more courses in ethics and philosophy. I but. Jillian the chat says son is doing medical degree. Now can tell do analysis a report running ethics reports, etc but they not the same as a research paper, of course. There's a contrary. Thank you they have to. Learn how to to to write with. Illegible handwriting. Specialty of. Professional and Nell says, I have a physiotherapy degree which was the same as mid for two years differently vocational. Well Chat Room I congratulate you this week. You guys been gang hard at it. Thank you very much for your contributions. We hit hundred messages. We got an alert Internet when he disliked. Yeah. So. That's good. Next week. We look at the time frame if it's sort of. If if Wednesday night is likely denied the trump result in what be tempting to do it then? I would have thought so. We want probably have complete probably ave I'll just do a little depends if it's going to be a landslide election victory, Baden than we probably will have results. If he's going to be one of those things that guy's rotten to the wall. It's GonNa. Go just Supreme Court. Probably Supreme Court before it gets decided in the end, but we'll have to wait and see where the vote. Tempting to do it Wednesday night I'm just not sure keeping eye. If you're not falling the facebook page, you should be because that's a nancy will be mind if we saw China to Winston this died Tuesday but. Possibly could be with. That's what I'm thinking but. Anyway my sloppy cheese day, but we'll see. Right. Dear Listener. Thanks for tuning in. Chapman said Motley fool on civil war than if it's true But Thanks for listening will be with next week. Thanks for tuning in Boehner. By everyone his IL. No form of sexual depravity is too low remain. More vegetable or mineral or do anything to anything. For Bishop. Ask The speaking out for change on central issues. Never encountered, such, corrupt, and foul Mike Perversity. A career in checks. I can never get used to the underwear.

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