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"The. Change. Between Hello again everyone welcome back to ghost with the twin peaks podcast. I'm one of your co host Charles Skaggs. Waiting for ghost. Would force to reopen. Months. That and waiting. I know it's getting Kinda tiresome, isn't it? would be open if people would wear a damn mask right right, so we're not here to preach, but we kind of are we to? Wear a mask, okay? Apparently we are. Is Coming for dinner. Where a mask exactly all right so I guess we are. I stand corrected. We are here to preach. But because we went up reopen. Ghost would force you guys. We want to go outside and do all that so so everybody be responsible. Be Smart. Be Safe. Okay! All right in the meantime as we wait for everyone on the in America to Kinda, get their acts together. talk here episodes of nine. Is something that we've been waiting for to talk about for quite a while. You know we bring it up here. We bring up there and here episode seventy nine. We are finally got to talk Mulholland drive. Oh Holland drive yes, the two thousand one new noir mystery film written and directed by of course David. Lynch because that's what we do here. And You know we're going to be talking a little bit about the criteria, but mostly we're going to be saving that for our follow up episode episode eighty as we need engine a special features. But the criterion collection was released on October Twenty Seventh Twenty fifteen. We are so behind Charles I. Know Right. This is one what we spent the past year discussing the return so. Right. So that took a little while because you know, we're on a two week schedule. Anyway so? So. This is something we've been wanting to talk about. Obviously, you know there's a lot of connections to twin peaks actors in this and I just this is a film that Lot David Lynch players here and you know, and but a lot of new ones, too a lot of ones the people that he hasn't. Hasn't worked with before this one like Laura Elena, Harring or Justin throw although he worked with. Just throw later on in. Do you, do you mean? The Countess. Exactly exactly. So. Now, obviously, this is a film that's GonNa. Take a little. Effort on our part to try to discuss. Yes, this is another David Lynch film like eraserhead. That isn't exactly linear and David Lynch's not explaining it no. He's just saying you know this is. This is a love story in the city of dreams, and that's all he's given, you know. Although he did you know? Apparently? He gave some clues in ten clues. I wrote these down. That was in the original DVD release. There was like a little card insert. Right David Lynch's ten clues to unlocking this thriller. The question of course is. Can you actually trust what David Lynch's telling you? No No No I don't i. don't trust what David. Lynch's telling me because. David Lynch shows me what he wants me to see. And the rest of it is up to me is how I feel about him as a director and that's part of why Lovin. I mean you know? You don't I mean as David Lynch Fan. You know I know personally that. He's not gonNA explain everything. Because Hey I've watched three seasons of twin peaks. And I know I'm not going to get all the answers that I want I still don't know what's going on. You know and I've watched other things like blue velvet or This film Mulholland drive while at heart take your pick. Inland Empire Oh. Yeah so. Just, you know there's a lot of films that you know especially of his that he's not going to give you the full story, and because he may not even know the full story he just. He knows the kind of story he wants to tell. Right that maybe came to him in a dream, and he's just trying, and he's trying to put it up on screen for everybody to share with right. He wants to show you something. Yes, and whether or not what he wants to show, you is in a linear fashion. Is Neither here nor there. Yeah, exactly so so. I'm here with my wonderful. Coho, Zan and then sprouse and We're GONNA. Try to break this down as best as we can. So bear with us as we go through this because. What I think is GonNa? Be a lot of fun as we talk about this. And Sheriff we got a lot to talk about because. There's a lot going on in this movie. And so we might as well without any further. Let's start. Let's start breaking his damn a little bit. So. I should mention that. Of course. This room movies like two hours twenty six minutes. And and it's first two hours are apparently want story, and then we get a completely different story for that final half hour right right? So that's GonNa take some explaining obviously just when it starts to be porn. Does a one eighty on you exactly so. Porn and then flips it right. And you fell for it like the fascist are so. Little Nell That line. And when that was good pinkie. So Little bit of A. Notes about awards that were film received so. David. Lynch apparently received the. Hope I'm pronouncing this right pre deal. Love me's own seen. Apologies. On. San I'm very. Thank you for granted you. Did Not Take French German high school Susumi but that's essentially the best director award at the two thousand one con film, Festival. Y- and of course Lynch was nominated for best at the Seventy Fourth Academy Awards. But lost to Ron Howard for a beautiful mind. Fill that is a decent film in my opinion, but nowhere near. The level of this film, Mulholland drive I mean. Don't get me wrong. I've got nothing against Ron. Howard I like him as a director, but I feel like David Lynch. Does a little bit more with medium of film than most directors do right and when you see somebody like that. You know I would like to see. I would like to see more recognition for. The creativity behind it and I think it's I think it's hard for some people because it is so non linear. and. A beautiful mind either. I mean I am not going to try and sit here and tell you that I don't wish I haven't been wishing I. Was Jennifer. Connelly since I was eleven years old? But that's. You know it's not one of those room like what really? That's what that's. What really? I mean like I said I. Have Nothing Against Ron. Howard is director. I think very competent director. I just don't. I just don't think he's obviously as imaginative as David. Lynch, or creative. David Lynch I think he's a fantastic. Your teller traditional storyteller. Right and I think he does a great jobs with and there's nothing. There's nothing that. Of Real. Of Real a true stories like a Apollo Thirteen or A Beautiful Mind or That boxing one. Oh A. With. I know here talking with Russell Crowe again yeah. Okay Russell Crowe and Renee Zellweger and he's a boxer. I can't remember Al.. Blurted out later when it's inappropriate, yeah, I just know that obviously Ron Howard. Did he directed Apollo Thirteen? And so low, believe it or not so yeah. Which I love. Your fans at hated it, but I loved Solo. So pretty underrated personally and one of my all time, favorite comedies, which is ridiculous, but I love it is night shift. Did he also. He also jerked splash. If I remember correctly, he did direct splash. which is probably my favorite role that John Candy ever did. So I mean John. Candy Great in. Uncle Buck but my favorite is probably splash so. So obviously nothing is Ron Howard. He's a perfectly acceptable director. Nothing against him. But I obviously. We're favored toward David Lynch in that regard. All right. So I guess some Trivia on this one and. We kinda talked about that a little bit before started recording tonight, but This movie Mahone drive originally was conceived as a TV series. And back in ninety, nine, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, they did a ninety minute pilot produce for touchstone television intended for the ABC television network. Right and it was also going to be attended for it was a French co production, so it was also going to be on French television, right and TV executives said yet. No, yeah, yeah, so apparently Lynch sold the idea to ABC suits. Based solely on a story of read emerging from the car accident. Her purse, containing one hundred twenty five thousand dollars in cash along with the blue key. Right in in the premise was. Betty would try to help her figure out who she was That's the that was the elevator pitch. Apparently and I'm sure that ABC after having. Twin peaks right. They were probably asking Okay David to find out who she is I mean. Please tell us we're GONNA. Find out who she is. RIGHT SPOILER ALERT! We don't so. I think that might have turned them off. A little bit I might have turned off ABC because they've done that before. And they had great success with twin peaks, but they done that before, and they'd gone down that road before and I don't WanNa. Do it again now. From what I found out from, my research was that Lynch showed ABC a rough cut of the pilot. The guy that they picked through watch the pilot needed. In, ABC immediately cancelled it. And then Lynch goes around and you know it talks it over with I guess a French investor or something and and. They decided that they live basically re. Re mench rewrote. The script expanded it. When they decided to turn into feature film at that point. Nice Yeah. Now interestingly on a twin peaks trivia note. Supposedly Sherline Fan. Yes, that Audrey. Horne Sherline Fan. said in a two thousand fourteen interview that the original idea came during the filming of twin peaks. As a spinoff film. For her character Audrey Horne. That's interesting right, so we got another right, which makes me wonder why maybe that's why Lynch did what he did to Audrey in return. She, the little girl who lives down the lane and this one mean interesting. We get another car accident your with. sherline fan that'd be interesting, yeah. Right yeah. I would have watched that I'm sure you would have watched that because I know you bet big lottery hord fan you're. A Big Fan. Fan as well. Would have been all over the as well. She's one of the greatest humans that has ever graced the earth. She's the sweetest woman. So if that's the case you know, somehow that evolved from a Audrey Horne spinoff into. Something completely different. So. Now for Different. Well at the time that Mulholland drive was being done as a TV show. Sherwood Fed was working on rude awakening for. was that going on at that time Yup an interesting? Helps Yellow. This connects a little bit. So! So speaking of twin peaks cast. We run them down. Because Hey, we're twin peaks podcast right yet, so the actors that. Appear in this one. The only watts, obviously I and four course as inland empire exactly then you. Does the dual role of Betty Elms. Or Diane Selwyn take. Your pick. In this one of course, she played Jenny, Jones and then we had Robert. Forster turns up as detective McKnight. So share free. Truman right there. Share Frank Notice for curate. When you said Frank I saw Harry in my head. That's really weird. Right probably listening because normally when you say sheriff. Harry S Truman. That's probably why. Shouldn't be too hard to remember that. I was just dumb on my part. I'm sorry that's right. We've been talking just went brain. It's I. Have Quarantine Brain, which means which means drink every night brain exactly so. You're you're you're you're podcasting with assisted? chemical podcasting. Yes, this is. Mike cast your adult podcasting. How's that? That makes it sounds so much sexier it's. All Year. All right so we also had dead is huge podcast. There's no reason for you to sleep on the couch, right? Well obviously. We'll talk about that scene late. We're GONNA talk about that a little bit yeah. Yeah because I'm sure. A lot of people didn't see that coming the first time that That, they watch this film. Brent Briscoe as. Detective, Dumb Guard, and. Of course. Yeah Recipe's detective. Right, yeah, sadly, we lost briscoe not too long ago, but yeah detective Dave McNally and the return. now had ngelo battle Amenity as Luigi Castellini the espresso hating mobster. Tends to. Voices displeasure with Espresso by spitting it out into a Napkin bidding it into a Napkin. Yes, and I remember seeing these news to the time list at least user Napkin good friend I just remember watching this movie The for singling but. This is so great exactly so our favorite twin peaks. Composer turns up in acting role here so. In addition to doing the music for this film score. Nothing against Dean Hurley, but he's our favorite. Come on. We know we were. We were Angelo. Fans before your Dean Hurley fans, so that's the thing de knows that our heart is large enough for the both of us were. Just know your place. Dean Hurley that's. Dino's yeah okay. there. We just needs. He needs another twenty five years. He'll get there exactly exactly so Rebecca del Rio. Who of course is one of our favorite roadhouse seniors the return? Makes her appearance as herself. Sorry. Issue there so. Yes. She said she's one of your favorites. Oh Yeah, yeah. I loved her performance of no stars, and you look address the Chevron Dress. I did yeah so. But Yeah I really enjoyed her performance. No Stars In des No surprise here. She does incredible. Performance of Spanish version of Roy Emerson's crying. We'll talk about that. You can sit there and listen to it and not start crying. Like Laura. Harring and Naomi Watts I. Think you might need to check your pulse. Of course. Is it live or is it memorex as we'll discuss who cares? It's beautiful. I know. Michael J. Anderson turns up. As to Roque as rock. So let's rock I guess I know. Let's rack so Of course he played the arm. Slash little man from another place. In, the original twin peaks series and Hey Dunkin Todd shows up and form a Patrick Fischler. He does poor per Dan. Yeah, put shows up. Is Dan the guy who gets basically scared into a parent coma by. Yeah. It's a heart attack. Yeah, yeah, by the bum behind winky's. Who obviously. We're GONNA talk about as well Oh. Yeah, for sure so we have lots of things to talk about other cast of note of course Laura Elena, Harring or just now, Laura. As, reading tests yes, as Rita Slash Camilla, Rhodes one of you calling her the Countess because. She, married the great great grandson of Otto von Bismarck. Really Yeah So. Trivia point his full title is Count Karl? Von Bismarck shown housing. So. They were divorced. Let's have a really big business card. Siri. It's like A. It's like a three by five card. Say. Here's my business card. It's like this is an index card. Now. You gotTA. You gotta you gotTa. Put in your briefcase. Can't you put your pocket? They they got divorced, but she kept the title of Countess. Trusting so yeah, and she also not not in twin peaks, but also inland empire. So you've got so many people that were in something tangentially. Does something Lynch Definitely Lynch even. Even Monty Montgomery Yeah Yeah who played the cowboy. He Produced Wild at heart frontier and hotel room. Right I didn't know about hotel room. Yeah, he did Hotel Room, interesting and. Vincent Castellanos who was Federico and twin peaks. He was ed the guy that That Joe the hapless hitman shoots at the very beginning right. He's there and. Just throw. Just throw yes, up in. Devon Berk. And he's off the Adam catcher yeah. Yep Scott coffee is trick in twin peaks also window empire. Was He trick? I didn't realize he was trick. He is also my favorite student. In. Ben Stein's class. In Fair Day off Oh okay? the. The Holly smoot Tariff Act Oh. It's anybody you know. Vice President Bush called this in one thousand nine hundred anyone. Is he the guy that just kind of like with his head on and like he's looking down gotta like is. He's the with his head cocked like. Mouth Breather. Got It so. He's. so He's been around, so yeah, there's there's a lot of. I looked I liked her. But didn't see her right so I need to. I need to pay closer attention, but PHOEBE Augustine isn't clubs, Olympia somewhere. You know who else is in clubs Lindsey Oh. Who Else Shirley? What I didn't see that Oh. Yeah, she's there. When when the when the? It's only obviously just a quick cameo, but yeah, when when Betty and Rita walk into the theater and they start going down the aisle toward their seat. Even notice that she's off to the right. See you guys we got to. This is why your own DVD's? You can watch this kind of look for this. This is why you listen goes the twin peaks podcast because we tell you stuff like this. We tell you silly tree like. Did you know Charles Yeah that Angela Battlement T. Did the. Ninety two summer, Olympics. I did not know so he did the opening. Did you even? I I if I understood correctly the opening theme to the Nineteen Ninety two summer Olympics. You got it. Yeah, so take that settled. And for all of my Elvis Costello Fan friends out there. He's done some projects with. Not Elvis Costello. CRANBERRIES fans. No relation Stella's ex wife but delayed. Projects. You know I'm a big. Fan so that's cool. I didn't know that. Yeah he sure did intend with Tim Tim booth from. From James. Bond, okay, yeah, there was a delayed album song late. No, no, no, it's called. It's called booth. The Bat Angel Okay. Yeah, so I recommend looking at his. James Song I know is laid. You probably know. Sit down. Oh yes, yes. Sit Down next to me, yeah. Yeah! Okay, got it. Yeah and. Jeanne Bates. Yeah, there, you go Jeanne Bates one of the people that meet betting on the plane and one of the little tiny people at the end, right. Is Mary's mother in. Eraserhead, Get up I didn't know that that's her. Yeah, she plays. Mrs X. in I learned something today. You guys she. She knows how to cook just like regular chickens. So? Yeah, there's a lot of lynch players all over this. Yeah, well. One of the great things we talked about this in the pocket David. Lynch is obviously extremely loyal to his actors. And probably you know, imagine like He. He knows you know what they can do and he knows. The kind of roles that he probably wants or. The type of actors that he wants for this type of role, so he's like okay I've got my stable of actors. Let me see if I can get so and so to play this role. Right right he's. You know he knows what he's looking for, and he gets. I think he gets what he needs out of who he works with, so so if if so basically, if you're you know if you're good in and Lynch legs, Love Your Work and you like him, and you get along I. would say you know you got at least the occasional work coming your way if you get the lynch process yeah. I think that's probably a big deal to him because he is so. UNORTHODOX, with his storytelling, and some actress can't deal with it, they don't like not knowing what script about and stuff yeah. Not to not to speak ill of the dead or anything like that, but I don't think he's you know. I? Don't think you know. Chad Everett is your you know no, David Lynch cutting I. Don't like Chad Everett at all so well. Somebody, we should probably mention because one of the things about this is that he brings in a few kind of old Hollywood types Sim classic Hollywood people. Yeah, so so we including Chad Everett who plays Jimmy cats in this who is just? A wee bit ski in this. Chad. Chat ever ski like. I always felt like Chad. Everett probably is in real life, the type of character he plays an airline to probably we should. Obviously that's where I primarily know him from Simon Kurtz in airplane to the sequel. Simon's turned to jelly. The, greatest sound effects in history out of What are the best lines in that? Whole you. Started Jelly, His whole like, but he's going to be in charge of babies, Mr Mrs Simon Kurtz and that's an order. I'll bet he's really liked that in real life. Because there is that there is I believe it's a Dick Cabinet show where he talks about how he has animals, but his wife is his favorite animal. He owns Oh really oh. Yeah, look that up on Youtube where he says well. My wife She's my. She's my favorite animal. That I own and Lily Tomlin was also on the show. That you own. Oh, I have to leave and then Lily Tomlin just up and walks away interest, and then he makes a comment after it's gone. That I. Think is a dig at Lily Tomlin's lesbianism. Okay where he's like well. My wife really does does enjoy being cared for by a Man That with a woman like I think he's. He's really kind of I think she likes being cared for by a man. And I think he's really digging it Lily Tomlin when he says that she wasn't open back then, so this must have been. She wasn't necessarily, but I still think you know. into the public and open in Hollywood or Hollywood people know. Tell me that people didn't think the tyrone power and. We're. Friends. Like. People who knew Cesar, Romero and tyrone power. They knew it was going or rock Hudson for that matter. You'RE GONNA. Tell me that doors day didn't know what rock Hudson was up to right. They were like besties. Of course she knew all that stuff so anyway. I felt like it was a little bit of a day, but yeah. I feel like Chad. Everett is probably that he's probably probably exactly. I've and that's why he was so good at it because he he's primarily. But he because he is that guy, and Miller turns up as COCO. The did you know the end Miller has a pair of tap shoes in the Smithsonian? I believe it yeah. Yeah, she was choose dancer, and so yes, she was in the films. Kiss McKay on the town. Easter Parades Parade Yeah. There's a whole list there, but she's got a star on the walk of fame exactly so, but apparently. This is like her last film. It was exactly her last film, so she didn't really do anything she didn't do any film. From nine hundred, seventy six, until this movie I think she did the occasional TV spot, but this was her last right first film appearance since nineteen, Seventy six, her last film appearance at before she passed away. So also in in that same apartment. Yes. Leader Yeah so Damian's bomb turns up. That's how Damian's. That's Davies an thorn. Stevens mob Damian's mom. Or is it? All. We know I'm taking. A stand up at stake wreck. What you're right, so, but what deeming ends up getting sent with some relatives write in the sequel. So you're right. It's not his mom. Oh okay, but but in four and. Again I have like so it's like an. Honest Lebron is. Absolutely. You had me second guessing myself again. You know it's okay. I totally apologize but so. I know relation. No relation. But yeah an thorns, probably like an aunt or something of of Damian's that. Probably. Hey the parents are dead, so somebody's gotTA. Take this kid right. Yeah, yeah and know. But. She was like in the heat of the night, the nineteen sixty seven. Film classics. Yeah she also was in. Shampoo. FOR WHICH LEADING! Won An Oscar for that, so yup, and let's let's let's not forget James Karen. Who I don't know if you're a big poltergeist, Fan Turrell's. I'd like poltergeist. I'm not a big Fan, but I like poltergeist. Yes, the original began for guy so the guy that Criti- Nelson is screaming at son of a bitch. Move the cemetery, but you left the bodies. Didn't you all? That is James Karen. Yes, that's cool. I just found out, yeah! was good friends with Buster Keaton at the end of towards the end of your life. He was a good friend of author Keaton's interesting. Yeah, so now an actress that. Is has a pretty notable appearance in this Melissa George. Now? A lot of people don't know her. Not Familiar with her, but I became a fan of hers when she was on the TV series alias. She's. It didn't watch that. Yes, he and she's in season she's. She's primarily in season three, but but she's really. She was really good on that. Recently, if you're a star trek discovery fan like I. She played the modern. You know the the current version of Veena. Who is one of those characters? That appeared in the original star trek pilot the cage. Captain Pike original people exactly so so essentially. This is Pike. Pike is in season two as captain of the US discovery. So she gets the acquainted with. Veena. So. Played this time by Melissa George. That see that's one of the cool things about that. Show is just that you know you're really were warded as a star Trek Fan yeah exactly and I'm hoping that will continue because now. Pike's getting his own TV show. With strange strange new worlds, which is the title? I heartily recommend because. Yeah! I was published in Star Trek Saints. New Orleans back acts really. Were Title. Yes, she plays Camila roads before. Yeah, she's the short hearing place. She's the original. Camilla Rhodes or That is the girl. Yes, that is the girl she's. The girl appears she was the girl the first time around. Yes, Djilas the girl that all this mobsters one in who Mr Rock, wants exactly initially yeah. Actor that turns up. That's in I. Think is particularly fond of this film, Billy. Ray Cyrus. Billy Ray Cyrus is one of my favorite parts of this movie as loved? Guy. I got the pool. She got the pool man. I wanted to buy that judge of Rolls Royce. I Love Billy Ray Cyrus in this movie because it's at the time. When this movie came out in two thousand and one, we really hadn't heard from billy ray Cyrus, right. We're four awhile. And I don't even I. Don't even know where we were in. The scheme of things isn't comes to him and this. Is this obviously after breaking hard? Oh Yeah. It was like ninety, three, ninety, four or something like that. Yeah, and so everybody knew billy ray Cyrus Ganz before. Hannah Montana, though see I think yeah. I think it was close to being because I think around this time. Hannah Montana wasn't around yet, but I think it was still lizzy McGuire type of world. There's usually only one. Thousand Six sitcoms that would have been five years after this. Yeah, so we really hadn't heard too much about billy ray Cyrus, but the one thing we knew about billy ray Cyrus is that he has the most epic mullet in the history of mullets. It's up and it's. Who's got a better mullet billy ray, Cyrus macgyver. And don't say Simon Lebon macgyver her close to like here. Billy Ray. Cyrus is all like. It. Depends on what you look for in a mullet so I I think you're selling. Your mullet's too short. That's what I'm saying. I don't know. I'm loyal loyal to the macgyver mullet, but. Dini Anderson I'll Richard Anderson mullet. Okay, that's a good one. That was pretty iconic as well but. So I remember when I first saw this movie in the theater. and. Adam the. CASHERE- Yes, yes, the amount of cash director character just. Just throw his character. Comes home after having a bad day on the set. and. He sees the Pool van in his driveway right, but he doesn't see the pool guy anywhere, and then he goes and finds the pool guy in his bedroom in his bed with his wife. and. He just says you've just got to turn around and forget about this man I mean he's just so like nonchalant. He's like I'm doing your wife, but you just gotTa. Deal with it, man. That's how that's how it works. And she's laid back just he's just like okay. You know this is happening I know this is happening, so let's just talk. Frankly, yeah, let's I'm not even going to pretend yeah exactly. So it's negative, hide under the you know in a in a bedroom or something. Yeah, yeah, exactly so. Front. And then, Adams wife is like. Why are you even here? Like she's really horrible to him. It's a lot of golf because you get the first of all, you get the impression that house. was bought because he's director exactly. It's. It's. That he, he's he. Paid for it. Yeah, it's probably it's probably his. Work that paid for it. I don't know if the house was there before she was there or what, but you sort of get that sense especially when you have. Two people who were kind of just shitty people, yes. There's there's probably a real superficial nature to their relationship, right? But. You Know I. Am not going to sit here and judge what other people do in their marriage. Okay, yeah, you want to have an open marriage. If you're polly, I don't care. That's your business. But it it takes a special kind of goal in my opinion to have an affair. In your own house in your own marital bed. Okay, yes. Have you ever seen in cool look like know you're going to have an affair ticket elsewhere is what you're saying. Or as Ironically as. As Dana. Carvey used to say take it to Mulholland. I! Don't know if you've ever seen the movie. Silver linings playbook yes. Well the Bradley, Cooper character is in a mental hospital. Because he almost murdered someone, he almost beat somebody to death. And I'm not saying he should. As Chris Rock likes to say I'm not saying he should have killed him. I'm just saying I understand. and. He said what happened was is Bradley Cooper comes home. Finds his wife in his house with another man having sex in the shower, not only are they in his house. His his well. It's. So he comes home. Finds his wife in the shower with another guy and in in their house in their married house. Yes, and the song that played at their wedding for their first dance is what is on the Stereo right? And he loses his freaking mind and goes off on this guy. Understand the guy. The. Guy Has the gall to look at him and say. I think you should leave. To somebody in his own house. And Bradley Cooper goes crazy on and I can't say I'm shocked I mean that's. That's some goal, so she's got some goal, so he takes her jewelry. Adam takes her jewelry. goes to the garage fines paint. That looks like PEPCO abysmal. Yeah I don't know what. Serious Pink. Yes, it's a serious pink. And just Joshua box the the pink room. It's the pinker that's that's what's in the house. Yeah, there's there's you know. He's got a string bass player. In this room. Pours the pain all over the jewelry and she's screaming at him trying to get him to stop so billy ray Cyrus comes out of the bedroom. Picks him up and pushes them out and says. That ain't no way to treat your wife man. I don't care what she's done. Larry. Is the best three minutes at this whole movie The deadpan expression. Most, it's the funniest three. It's whole movie I love the palate cleansing nature of the Billy Ray Cyrus appearance in this movie. Because, there's obviously some very dark stuff in this movie, but Billy Ray Cyrus, but Lynch. Lynch has as a way of like. Maybe he realizes that okay. This movie's getting even a little too dark for me. We need some comedy here. We need billy. Ray Cyrus his. Exactly, so so here's another. One of those where you're like he's. He's a perfect character. Because he has that. Reputation as being kind of a hillbilly. So it works for him here because it really works for. The bill, pool guy. He's the Hillbilly Pool Guy, but he's also. A lot bigger than Adam and a little bit more manly than Adam. So Shaina guns big time in this movie. Sons out outguns out and he's also very. I! Don't know what I want to say I. DON'T WANNA. Say Moral, but he definitely has. A code of conduct that I know your wife cheating on you, but you don't propane on her jewelry. Interesting. Interesting set of morality. Yeah, and so he's he was very recognizable. And I hate to say this because it sounds more elitist than I want it to okay. But. When it comes to David I. Don't think there were a lot of David Lynch fans who were big achey breaking heart fans. I think that's a safe assumption I would bet that a lot of people who were watching David Lynch movies when the whole line dancing craze came about, they were very dismissive of it and sort of looked down on it, so yeah, that's. Not exactly the same crowd really right. It's nice crowd any had that. You know noth- nothing against it, but definitely. It was a different the same way I think the Achey. Breaking Heart would have thought that they did. Lynch crowd was Weirdos exactly. So you know in in general like stereotypically in general because. These two groups do not meet on the ven diagram, not usually. Although apparently, they do here at this one in this one scene and it's one scene. Yeah, like I, don't I. DON'T WANNA. Say Uneven where the circles overlap. Yes, I don't I. Don't want to be a person that ever says that anyone. Creative Endeavor is inherently better than another one. All I know is I got so damn sick of that song. Just because it was everywhere, you and a lot of people don't worry I. Think I could listen to that song sooner than I could listen to roll with it by Steve Winwood. Okay, because that is the song I always go to when I say I can't believe. I listen to the song. Thousand Times in one week of a summer. That was overplayed so. Interesting so there are some songs like that where I'm like I. If I never hear, that's. Too soon and it can break. Your heart was one of them because even even. Achey breaky song by weird. AL, Yeah Okay like thirty seconds entered on I can't. I'm out I heard this one way too much. Memories, and that song is about how that song was overplayed. Even that I'm like I gotTA. I gotta back away, so he was, he was recognizable from being gigantic like five years before. So, everybody sort of I think there were some people when I saw the theater that we're like. So people started to Giggle and I know this is. It fear out like what Oh. My billy ray cyrus like everybody figured it out because he was everywhere for a while. Yeah, so I mean I. Essentially Billy Ray Cyrus as the last guy. You would ever expect to turn up the David Lynch film. And these. And in the. David Lynch film in the bed of one of your main characters. I will forever have a soft spot in my heart for billy ray Cyrus for exactly that'd be really re Cyrus. Another one is another country I. Do not think country musicians. Get enough. Recognition for being good musicians. He's a very good guitar player. And so. So I'm not trying to slouch him I. Just really hated that Song! I'm sure I'm sure Dj. Nick would agree with you on that one. I Dj Nick should at least understand what it was like in one, thousand, nine, hundred hundred. Show. The show, he should at least understand what it was like. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, two to have to be that was that was pop radio that was country radio music. It was your grandma liked it everywhere, but I will forever have a soft spot for Billy Ray Cyrus because this movie, okay? All right so. The other cast members of note that you want to bring up before we move on well I. Did want to bring I wanted to go back for a second. To Jeanne Bates Mary's Mary his mother. was in a twilight zone. And the you of course being a huge twilight zone fan, big twilight zone fan, and this is an episode that most people know it's a good life. Oh which is the one with the little boy who can wish people into the cornfield with bill mummy. Me As a little boy? Yeah, interesting. In that in that episode? All the families all get together. His his mother is played by. clarks Leach men. But there's a group of neighbors that all get because of course anthony. Street is the only street left in the world, apparently according to everybody else so because he's wished everybody away. So. They get together. For somebody's birthday party and the guy whose birthday it is, he just starts yelling like. Why are we putting up with this somebody? Pick up a table or chair and hit him in the end it and then Anthony wishes him into being a Jack in the box. Yeah! Jeanne Bates plays the wife of the Jack in the box. So, she's. Just wanted to shout out to the twilight zone episode. That's cool. That's cool all right. Now obviously, we talked about. This is GonNa be really hard to break this movie down, so here's our attempt. Okay so. Break this into like five topics maybe six depending on how we do. In how goes topic number one? Let's talk about Betty. So Betty Elms in Rita. In what we might as well call reality number one. Reality Number One. I was originally going to call the dream, but Zan corrected me wisely and so. How do you know what's the dream on the re the real world? So that's the thing. This is David Lynch I. Don't know what's the dream and what isn't because it does. Not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but it does feel like something happens, and then we wake up into a more gritty reality. And I think that you know because especially right now in this time of just living through horrible nece all the time. That I feel like we are conditioned to think that the grittier the reality of the more real it might be. Right. But. What is with Irene and Irene's husband, being those little people that come out of the box who come? Who are who are running around Diane's apartment like that to me, makes this all bets are off? That's why I don't know what to dream in. What's real so you like you said reality reality to or what I was saying pre solent CEO and post. And that's and that's another great way to put. It is because. because it almost with clubs, and unless he has seen we're going to. We're obviously devoted segment to that, but. It almost like that's kind of like a transition between these town realities now they do tend to kind of crossover. these two realities back and forth a little bit right we've got. We've got glimpses of the second year in the first reality. We've got some similar names you've got. The waitress who starts out as Diane, but then she's betty later on right. And the Real Diane shows up in in the betty reality as the dead body that Betty and Rita come across in. Yes, the apartment right so. So. Yeah, there's there's a lot of criss cross a little bit here, so that's. These these these two realms, these two realities kind of Blur into each other at times. That's obviously going to make this a little challenging to talk about so bear with us as we try to break this down. Watching David Lynch. You know how to keep up exactly exactly. This isn't your first Rodeo I'm sure now, so so should we just try to run through this as? know the film goes, or how do you WanNa do this? I think I think the only linear way we can do. This is chronological now so all right so the movie opens. After a little bit of a jitterbug sequence. Right which doesn't really come doesn't really make sense until you see the Sylvia. North Story Right. And even that we don't get a whole lot of what's going on with that why I think it also that we don't get until we see. Naomi Watts Diane where we find out that she wanted jitterbug contest and came from Canada. She wanted Jitterbug. Contest came from Canada, and it starts out. You're thinking okay here's this these nice. Sixties. clean-cut kids, yes, and then cut to betty getting off the plane. This clean cut kid. Yeah, so maybe you're thinking that, and then you see the Sylvian North Story and you're wondering is this. Does this something to do with that? She's going addition to that. And then you find out what the jitterbug contest you're like. Oh, it's. It's all just sort of tangentially just sort of right. It's the I just thought of this, and I probably said it before, but I just thought of it again with this particular movie that David Lynch plot is like Sam Beckett's theory of time. It's. Here's the beginning of your life. Here's the end of your life, and it's not just a big string. You crumple it up and all the pieces touch each other right. And that's what's going on. It's there's all these tangential things that are touching each other that don't necessarily relate to one another in an that's something that's very common with Lynch obviously that. These little tidbits that. They're not directly related to one another, but they like you, said tangentially you. Touch one another a little bit. Yes, exactly all right so so. We see. This Limo this Cadillac as we're told. Going along Holland drive above Los Angeles. and. Then somebody is frigging tailgating, right? and. What have we learned from David Lynch movies about tailgating? Don't tailgate. How many currently? Keep your ticked to stop at a safe right to see if we stop otherwise Robert, Louisiana is gonNA. Lay into! Yeah, you know how how many currently so you need to stop safely when you're going fifty five miles and her six six, frigging curling's okay. I want you to get a manual. I want you to read that mother effort. Exactly now, wish you tell me you're not gonNA tailgate. We really need to discuss that. That's so need to discuss that. So this is where we're. We see Laura Harring as. At this point, we do Brunette getting the limo. The driver stops gets her out of the car at gunpoint or tells me get out of the car gunpoint, but before she gets out of the car. The. Wacky teens that apparently drag racing or something. plow into the Limo Yep. So the drivers were told her killed, but. the woman. Brunette gets out of the CAR. She's kind of obviously affected by the accident. Starts walking down the hill. Toward! Like like you know it's. It's kind of like on. The road is kind of like alongside this kind of Cliff, mobile and drivers in the Hollywood hills. Yeah, exactly so she goes down the hill. Yes, yet toward toward the city. Braved the distance because and then she ends up going to this -partment complex. And then she sneaks it to one of the departments that belongs to Ruth Elms. Ray Betty's aunt Ruth Betty Betty's aunt, Ruth. We find out later. WHO's leaving by this point? And because her her niece, betty is going to be coming to stay, so she ends up. Hiding in. The apartment passes out. and Later she's been. She has a head injury. Yes, exactly. So so essentially, maybe a little concussion do who knows. And then, of course we've got some police detective that kind of later, come across the accident and and one of them. You know probably I think it's rob foresters. McKnight. Kind of. He kind of like gets the feeling that Oh. Hey, she must have walked off into the woods that way. Down the hill. Seeing a David Lynch movie who would walk off into the woods? What's exactly then never? That never happens characters going. Right that's you. Have you have a? Midnight Dom Guard which are not exactly the most. On it always officers right exactly. It's not exactly the shield is. Let's put it that way. New or the wires yeah. So Betty. We're introduced. Betty, who shows up? You know rise from Los Angeles from Deep River Ontario. In she's exactly like your ideal actress from fifty s Hollywood. Why and just so happy why? Got She's got the the tight pink sweater. Looking very much like you know, just someone just stepped right out of that era. She kind of reminds me of like what have what would. You must have been like for lifebeat beater down exactly before before she hooked up with Dougie, I hooked up with that whoring gambler shown exactly. Yeah. Maybe maybe that's another reality. Where like you know, she ends up. Becoming Gene Jones in that. One day. I just blew your mind and I. Yeah, there's one more waitress it. winky's named Janey and Her to Or maybe the DELARE, ooh, ooh, see, that's the thing I mean. David Lynch movies are nothing but diners and awesome furniture. Why can't live in that reality? Show right well. Part of me wants to, but then part of me thinks about all the horrible stuff that goes on there, so maybe I will onto. I just want to be somebody innocuous like like. You know yeah. I just wanted like. I. Just want to be one of the customers at the diner. A double our that's. Yeah or Heidi Heidi. Yeah, there you go, you know he all the time hey GEICO. German I could do that there. You go there, you go. You know that's a good life goal I think. so she's She's apparently I think she must've spent the flight with these this elderly couple this older couple. Yeah and yeah, and Irene and Rearend, husband and She's talking about how like you know. She's hopes to make it big as an actress and her aunt. Ruth is allowing her to stay at her place. And, so they kinda part. Betty goes off in a taxi cab or something, and then we see the couple. Going off their taxi. And they had and they have the creepiest. Ask Big grins on their face. Something is up with them, and I just wonder if play. unnaturally distorted into these large smiles. That kind of this very black hole sun smile. Video. Yeah yeah that. that. Video where if you haven't seen the video, I would highly recommend it because it soundgarden. It's very good, but right because he's really exaggerated. Smiles that are that scared the crap out of me. When I first saw that video again got turn. Turn the channel so I wonder. So, what do you think they were smiling? I have a theory. I think they're the key to all of this I think they are to. The supernatural force that's behind all this day they are the firemen, and the and the Daito this. The senator died Daito Yeah. Yeah, and the reason I think that and again I'm not trying to get ahead of myself, but this is David Lynch. It's not linear thing no. When? We later. See that blue box. Yeah, you know. When we first opened the blue box and we just go right into it and it goes it goes. Right sexist didn't now starting to become gotten different reality, but then we see later, and they come out as these little tiny people that are just laughing hysterically like under the door. You know because they're so small. Kinda like cackling maniacally, go he. They're I think they're the key to everything. That is what that's. What starts this? Yeah, so so maybe this was just poor. Betty or you know in this in this reality at least runs afoul of these people. And they decide to like. Oh. Hey, let's just mess with your life. Yeah, it's just you know if if. It's a bad encounter. Let's put it that way. Just like Bob you know all it takes is one camping trip when you're fourteen and your life is ruined. He just kept flicking matches at me. Yeah seriously. So yeah, you know all it takes is one bug to go and your throat and run guide work. You're screwed. Pretty much so all right so she. Yeah so betty shows up at the apartment building her aunt, Ruth. How apartment she meets Coco. Played by Miller who's like I love Miller she's a great. You know like really friendly landlady type. She's really friendly. She's very caring and. She says you know. If they weren't any good, they wouldn't be living here because I'm a good judge of people. and. This is. I don't mean this in any offensive sort of a way, but. She is very classic old Hollywood right. And so you get the feeling that COCO is. You know who? She is in real life. That, she's classic Hollywood that she was in the movies, and now she owns this property and takes care of people here. The. Go ahead. Go sorry, go ahead and the reason I say that is because, and this is something that I have seen in older old Hollywood people. There's just way too much makeup because Hollywood is so dysfunctional, especially for women right in the sense that you can't look old, and you can't look fat in. You can't look short, and you can't look and other still Cetera et, Cetera, et, Cetera et, Cetera et Cetera, and you. You have to look like whoever it is at the time, and whoever it is at the time can can change. So. So the fact that Koko. Has That jet black dyed hair and way to Jamaica up? Just reminds me of just obviously not looking like her natural self would write just reminds me of classic classic Hollywood. These are women who just were used to getting dolled up all the time. And the ring too much to look younger, and they're dying their hair to look younger too much hairspray too much everything and I'm thinking if somebody like A. And again I don't mean to be an insult. I think it's I. Think it's the systematic Hollywood machine that makes people feel like they need to do this in this, and they are known no less beautiful, because are amazing women, but I'm thinking if somebody like. A Debbie Reynolds Aurelien Mary weather. And I hate to say it, but the last time I saw her a gates McFadden. Way Too much makeup. Shame, but that was, but I think that's the thing I mean that's that's the thing you have. Hollywood, everybody's got an expiration date. Until you are like Betty White. and. You're like this this. Quirky thing. Especially women have a real expiration date in Hollywood and I feel like she I feel like the way. She looked really told a lot of a story about her past that that David did necessarily give us yeah, but I think she had been. She had been betty at one point she had come to Hollywood. Well, there's some stuff. That's one of the things you know now that you bring it up. That's something that I kind of noticed vibe that I got. What I think would lynch was going for. With Betty, being the like aspiring actress that new like Wannabe New Hollywood. So essentially what you had in coca kind of looks out for for betty she really so essentially. It's like old Hollywood. That has been through some things they seen. Some things seen some things. They've already been placed. They've already been places and so so coco was kind of like only Hollywood. Looking out for new Hollywood a little bit. Yeah. So that's the kind of vibe. I got from that. I think so too yeah. so. She kotex Betty to her aunt's apartment. Betty goes inside fines Oh. Hey, there's like naked Brunette in the shower. Which I think is I think it's interesting because. Naturally assumes like Oh. Are you like a friend of my aunts or something? That's weird to me. I mean I. Right I feel like somebody. Would have told me that I feel like my aunt would have said. Oh by the way. Read is GonNa. Be there to like I would have been like pretty sure. What mentioned that? Yeah, yeah, but I think because. First of all the Rita character was naked so obviously very vulnerable and not a threat at the time. And! Maybe better being. To a little bit that is naive, and but also read it being injured and beautiful right? She seems a little. She seems a little less threatening. You know, so she's and. Again Benny probably thinks you know. Oh, cocoa knows everything that's going on in here. This is probably level. There's probably a lot of things going on with that, but yeah. That I'd be like the hell. Yes that that would have free freaks me out if that happened yeah! Now obviously you know, I might have a different reaction, but you know. Hey, you know finding naked Laura Harring in the in the shower, but you know I think you finding naked, Laura. Hearing the shower is going to be a little less terrifying than me finding could. Probably I think I'd come to it with a much more practical from a practical standpoint, yeah! Maybe terrifying. If you're like my wife, Lori was there and they can Laura. Harring was in the shower, but It'd be like yeah yeah. We should call the cops. This isn't this isn't right, is it? Yeah exactly you'd be? You'd be like. Should. Do something about this you'd be. You'd be like Seth Rogan in. A forty year old, virgin right there in the bathroom with Elizabeth banks as we should go from here. Michigan far away from here. We should get out here and he's like getting undressed is saying. We should. We should get out of here. so they talk a little bit. Of. Door hearing comes out and after seeing a Gilda movie poster. Starring of course Rita Hayworth. Nineteen forty six film. which was hanging up the bathroom? She calls herself Rita. She introduces herself as read it, but then later admits I. Don't remember who I really am. I don't know my name I have. So, we'll come back to the seventies I have Amnesia exactly. Yeah, same nausea was not a plot point that we'd seen. While no, but it's obviously something that comes up a lot in like. Soap Opera Troupe. It's a soap opera tope I feel like it was like a three's company type of. Like I feel like in the seventies. It was it was nothing but. In quicksand. Quicksands Echo in this going. Yeah it's. Yeah, if you've watched any episodes of Charlie's angels from the seventies, you knew the angels Scooby Doo. Like quicksand was everywhere, and I still didn't even know we're. Well the yeah. Yeah Amnesia for sure was it was a big one. So. Betty. Trying to help you that it's like okay. We need to figure this shit out. And so. They try to open a like looking at purse like okay. Maybe you've got some info. Identification and somebody can figure this out. One hundred twenty five thousand dollars exactly Oh, in a bizarre blue key, a blue key. That doesn't really look like a key. Yeah. So. Apparently the this is important to something. So what we do, we decide. We're GONNA. Listen to put in a hatbox in stored in the cloud. We're GONNA. WE'RE GONNA hide it in the closet. We don't know who's might be coming after this. Yeah, I'm sorry if you make one hundred twenty five thousand dollars in cash, and you don't know who you are. You can probably expect that somebody bad is looking for you, yeah! So so but meanwhile. They One of focus tenants Louise Bonner played by Lee. Grant shows up. Tries to warn betty that. Hey, there's trouble in there, so someone's in trouble. which has ever get signed a David Lynch film? When when a woman dressed up like stevie nicks with like a black veil over her head. Yeah, I'm so your apartment and tells you that there's trouble something's wrong. Yeah, yeah. This is like a Mega Goth Cenex. Secrecy, that's possible. Stevie Nicks. The and the and the psychic grandmother from A. PHANTASM. Up into one character here. Yes! Like stevie nicks went to hot topic, but basically. Yeah basically burn down hot topic well, that's a whole different thing. Sorry, that's the whole, yeah. so cocoa basically apologizes say look. Louise's clairvoyant in her warnings are often correct. Yeah, so you careful I don't know what's going on but I am going to trust you to take care of it exactly so this is apparently the you know. The big warning signs. Something's up here. Now her Betty's eight ruth range for an audition for Betty And so re runs lines with Betty. and which they think is Kinda funny because of that dialogue. It's not a good ice. Makes, it nearly watched us. Such a good performance actually makes it a little bit better than I think it really. Well Yeah, you know so so basically Betty shows up at the audition. And then we talked about Chad Everett, so his character is there. And She's supposed. Betty supposed to act against him in the scene. De Really GonNa chat ever total Chad Everett in this scene. He is so perfect for this because he's got really do believe. Chad ever is probably the kind of guy that would have sex with his best friend's daughter. And Chat ever it in the scene is rocking the Donald Trump. ORANGE, skin! If? He's like weighed ten and he's like fake tans way, too. Touchy feely with her before they even get touchy feely. Yeah, exactly! Yeah, it's he's. He's just kind of so because she does a really really good job because the scene is basically. What are you doing here? My parents are upstairs. Why are you still here and We should not. We should never have done this year. My Dad's best friend. This is terrible I hate you. I hate us both and just. Kill you and I love that where she it starts to get really passionate. It gets very erotic. It's erotic where she's. Like. She's like I. Hate you hate us. Both and she's. She's breathing really heavily, and it's a phenomenal acting performance. It's fantastic, and then it's like. To get out, or what right are Kellyanne? Yeah so good, right? Just memorizing of obviously the everybody else in the room thinks so as well. Everybody else is dairy by this air balloon away with andover with an erection. because. It's a really erotic radically done seen, but they're grabbing their scripts going like I'll just kind of. Script in front. In my lap here for a while. Anyway notebook as I walked to class. So. So. But, but apparently betty does so well that One of the agents there. Decides to take her to go see Adam casher. Who is casting for the Sylvian north story exactly so they go over there and. You know. UNBEKNOWNST to Betty. The part has been earmarked for Miller roads. Earmarked by Mr Rock and all the other exist. Mobsters. There's something really yeah, we'll talk. Separately but yeah. But essentially sort of like like Johnny Fontaine deal. With. Exactly exactly exactly. Now interestingly, Betty, Adam kind of make eye contact for a little bit as she walks and. Adams kind of looking at her like well that should be the girl, but I can't cast the garage. Yeah, because otherwise you know the cowboy will like. Destroy? Cowboys Toby which do in somebody who's frozen, my assets and stay in a crappy hotel exactly and I can't go back to my house because the pool guys there with its pool. Guys there and frankly, there's just pick paint everywhere. It's a mess and I don't want to clean it up. It's damned if I ended up. So, but betty panics a little bit. She's like. Something you know after that look. She panics and she's like well. I need to go back because hey. I need to keep this date with Rita that we were gonNA. Go check out Diane Selwyn place I had. I promised a friend. I'd help her I have to go I'm sorry I have to go. Yeah, so so she ends up back and they go. Betty Rita go to the park number twelve. which weird about that though is, it's almost it's almost like betty can sometimes smell a bad scene. But not enough. No, no, you know. She should be able to. I I feel like she should have been able to smell her way out of Danielle apartment. Cheryl yeah, exactly because you know. Hey, there's a corpse in there and sure it didn't smell very good. You think you. Would have been noticeable before they went inside and even just the whole when they get there and there's. Two guys case in joint and yeah, exactly yeah I think she's just caught up in the mystery of Rita I mean. Rita is serious very. You know very sweet and very beautiful, but very mysterious, and there is an air of danger around her that I. Think Intrigues, Betty. It's kind of like what happens with Comic Lachlan's character Jeffrey Beaumont and Blue Velvet. Exactly what happens? This dangerous, but this woman is mysterious. She needs my help. She's beautiful. I've got I've got to figure this out I. figure out what the Hell is going on here. Yeah, you're right. I didn't think about that. That is exactly the same kind of thing, yeah? So. So, he ended up apparently. Of Women Answers, but it's not Diane Selwyn. It's a neighbor. Who tells them women all? Hey! I, switched apartments with Diane. She's number seventeen. And I want to tell her that he still has some of my stuff. My plates maybe. Like I want my records back, okay? so they go to number seventeen. Knock on the door. Nobody Answers surprised because. Hey, there's a dead woman side so they betty breaks in so like a whole breaking and entering thing going on. And then it's all dark of course and disturbing, and because hey, it's David Lynch right so they go in there and they find Diane Sell One's body laying face down on the bed. Yeah, it's not a good scene. Yeah, and yes and this. Apparently has been awhile because their chorus is pretty emaciated. It's kind of blue and starting to dig. Yeah, it's. It's a little bit. It's pretty nasty yeah. So, apparently, some time has passed. and. Actually they? They kind of freak out a little bit. Go back to their place. To. To the Betty's apartment. And restarts like going into the bathroom and trying to cut her hair. And Let's see so. Betty's like that. He tells her known. Don't cut your hair. Just wear this blonde wig for some rea- now. What? She's worried that whoever is looking for her is who killed Diane Selwyn. Okay, so it's so. It's more like you know the guys that might be after that money. Right! Disguise you you're gonNA. Wear this blonde wig right because those guys were at Diane someone's apartment complex, and then they find Diane so when dead so I think she's afraid. And she started. Her. If she, starting to remember the bad things were going on that you don't. You don't usually wind up one hundred thousand dollars in cash after eight night of being a level. So I think she scared and she just wants to, she wants to. She wants to put on a disguise and hide herself as much as she can. So at this point, this is where it. Kinda turns into a letter from penthouse forum. This kind of thing has never happened to me before. Actually you know what I'm talking. But I was in bed when my. In she was sleeping on the couch is she's on complete like she takes off all her clothes and Clinton the bed with me. She comes in with a towel and I tell her she shouldn't sleep on the couch anymore, so then she takes the towel off. and. We totally do. Exactly, so so read. It gets into bed. They make love. And Betty Tells Rita. She's in love with her. Okay, so at their. Go ahead. It's easy to fall in love with the mystery I think right. Yeah. I mean you know she's very like you said mysterious enigmatic, and let's face it rather attractive woman. She's very beautiful and she. Thinks she was. Laura Harring was a former Miss USA or something right something like that. Yeah, and learn hearings character. This version of Laura herrings character. Is Very honest and is not using her at all. She's very grateful for that. She's helping her. She's to have a front end. They're very sweet with each other, and so I think there's no. No apparent ulterior motive going on no. I think it's very easy to fall in love with with mystery like that. Yeah, so. So at two o'clock that night. and. Here's where we kind of. Do our little transition. Suckle your seatbelts the one eighty digression exactly. Exactly yeah. So Betty. Arena wakes up speaking Spanish. And even though it's like two o'clock in the frigate morning. She's like. Hey, we need to go to this club. You need to come some place with me. It's two in the morning. You need to come someplace with me and the Club is club Salena Zito Since you, which of courses. Espanol for silence. A. So. So redesign her blonde wig. Looks a little bit more like Betty at this point. Looks a little bit more betty, but it's funny now that you mention it. That dress Kinda reminds me. Of Isabella Rossellini stress when of her cocktail, yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's not it's not blue, but it's. It's the sort of black one with with the high neck, open openshaw. Exactly. So. They go to this club. and. Real. Yes. Isn't the itchiness is really bad right now so there you go. Come back all right good. Okay, so so they go to this club and I lost I lost. I lost you I. Don't know what I don't know what happened, but it is windy we in. It's supposed to rain all this week's. Who exactly and then you know. We're getting close, but. So. As they after walking down the aisle and walking right past Laura Palmer. Like tossing, which is awesome they sit down and also. There's this performance going on stage where this MC comes out. Talking different languages about everything being an allusion. Which? which is essentially Lynch talking to the audience? Right at this point? don't get attached to anything exactly it's. Like, you know it's like it's basically like the Beatles saying nothing is real. In strawberry fields for so. Rebecca re del Rio comes out. Liftings a Spanish version of Roy orbison crying. He's one of the greatest things you've ever heard in your life ever ever. which is something that you didn't know you want it in two? You heard it. And then once you heard it. You didn't just want it. You need it. To be joyful, pray much because it's so powerful in Rebecca del Rio's. We talked about on this. You know has a three reactive range. So she kills it literally. It's one of the greatest covers the history of cover songs pretty much pretty much. It's fantastic. I never knew I wanted that, but it's not like. Orbison is some slouch when it comes to vocals either. Is a tough one to sing. Yeah, so just kills. It feels it so. She's obviously in that ballpark. And but then she s, she's seeing. She collapses in an but the audio still playing, basically revealing Oh. Hey, it's a recording. It's illusion. It's allusion you can't trust anything. He can't trust anything and Betty Rita or in the stand in the in the audience. Watching this and they start understandably crying because very powerful performance. It's IT'S I. I wouldn't be surprised if that. was a real reaction to them hearing that's on. Yeah, so so That, he reaches into purse finds a blue box. So. We have a blue key now and a blue box. So hey we got to get these two crazy objects together right. I think that would be extraordinarily bad. defined bad. Fuzzy on the adapting. Exactly yeah exactly. That sounds like a text message exchange. Like. They. Did they find the box and Diane Selwyn apartment? Well later you know what you mean when everything they disappear. I can't yeah. I can't remember no. Okay. They don't even find the box. Yeah because it shows up in the. Aunt The, aunt shows up and. It's like she hears the Thud because when the box drops. She walks in. She doesn't look like she sees the box. There's air it's like. It's like aunt. Ruth never left. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, so but yeah, so so essentially this is. They go back to. Base apartment take out the key the hatbox. that. He suddenly disappears at this point. From this point on, it may all be different exactly. Exactly. Yeah, talking about you know. We've talked about this with the return here the episode Mardi Eighteen When? Cooper in Diane how to cross that threshold? So. So very similar theme there exactly. Gird up surveying, there. The box. They put the key. In. Of course, the box seems to swallow. The bedroom drops to the floor. We talked about that now. It's dark now. It's dark. And then Diane someone's apartment we cut to that in the cowboy shows up telling you. It's time to wake up. so presumably. It's hard telling, but presumably this was a dream. Diane Sell Dream. Well that's. Because of him telling her to wake up, but the question is well. Maybe it's a dream within a dream. See. That's the thing I because. Did we switch realities and she just happens to be asleep in this new reality when we get there. was she having the linear dream of? Of Rita and or Or was it from this point on, it could all be different is is that what happened now? It's different in. This is just what we're seeing. Yeah, no! That's the thing I don't know and I. Don't because I feel like. I feel like her waking up. into reality. Is Too, facile David Lynch. Yeah like I think there's there's more it's too straightforward. Just straightforward to linear I think there's more going on here who? Yeah. Yeah, there's more going on. Than just. PRISCILA NCIA was a dream and postal NCO's, real. Even though there are so many parallels. It's almost like. You know because what we find what we find out is. Rita is now canola. And so she is the girl. And that audition went badly not well and. All that, so it's almost like. A good version of what her life could have been a not so. Easy version of the way her life could have been so it could be that again like I said you've got. Irene showing up tiny and now I! Know All bets are off so I have no idea no idea. Yeah, it's. It's almost like you have to put everything on a big spinning wheel and like okay. This is the answer for this as you spin the wheel, and whatever comes up comes up because I. Don't think there is a clear cut answer here it. It's almost kind of like you know this this. Really Complex tapestry that fold on itself. Like a pretzel. And And It's nothing clear-cut here obviously so. so, what happens at this point now that? We've shifted. We're shifting from one reality to another reality. because. We wake Diane Selwyn wakes up presumably. Right Diane Selwyn. is now played by Dami Watts, so betty is now, Dianne. Right for the and so this is where it gets a little tricky kids. So. In in this reality, Betty is era. Excuse me Diane's. Confuse. Diane is a young Canadian woman who wanted to Jessica. Contest came to Hollywood looking for that fame and fortune. and. In? She hears the sound of someone pounding on her door. So now, Dianne. Does it. Look nearly as clean cut as betty. She is looking a little CDC like she had like a really bad night. In a bar, three M or a Meth, habit or a meth, habit or something, yeah. And, looking really rough at this point basically She shovels to the door. It's seem neighbor that Betty and Rita met. Still looking like wants the rest of her stuff from Diane's apartment. It's been a long enough, Diane. Where am I plates? Exactly so she gives it up. neighbor, Keser gather upper things like it's there on the floor in the box and then leaves, but she also mentioned. Hey, those two detectives came by looking. Yeah, so again. This is where the movie criss crosses realities. Because the cops there. Presumably we thought were in a dream. are also in this reality. Right so it's like a wizard of Oz kind of thing. We're seeing people just in different roles. Right exactly yeah. Okay you were there. And you and you were there when you were there, yeah. So at that moment. Diane notices the normal the Dorky colored blue on her coffee table. Blue Keys again blue keys a different key because the other one was kind of like stick like. That the one of the box, but this one is just a regular kind of standard Dorky. In it's under coffee table She then sees that Camilla Rhodes. Who is now played by Laura Harring. Melissa George. is in the kitchen. Overjoyed and so she's like overjoyed to see her. Then realize Oh, it's a hallucination. And then, from that point, we kind of we start to get the story. That apparently Diet and Camilla met on the send again very similar story, yes. Yes so. Yeah, we find out that apparently. They Diana met on the set of a film. They both auditioned for the lead role in the Soviet nor story. but the role went to Camilla. They end up became coming lovers. And in this reality, Camilla manage to like get some small roles for Diane, but then she got kind of bored. With their relationship. Broke off right. And the director didn't like our in that kind of. So. Diane obviously didn't take this well, and it didn't make any matters easier because Camilla's like opening like. Has this open flirtation with Adam? Director on the set right in front of her. Yeah! There's a scene where like sitting in the car and. Adams trying to show the lead actor how to kiss. Camilla You know like. She her head. Just kind of falls into you know your shoulders or whatever you know. It's yeah here and you. And Diane can stay and has to watch this. Enraged about it seems likely so. So that obviously bothered her understandably, and then she gets. Camilla invites Diane to a dinner party at Adams House on Mulholland drive. And see all of this is just so. It's it's. Pretty EFT up really. It's cruel. Could. Be Upset but. Yeah, it's like yeah. We used to be lovers, and I'm more successful than you, so please come to my boyfriend's house for a party. It means a lot to me that you see me doing better than you I. Mean I think it's been cruel. Yeah, and then once once she's there after being led up this like secret pathway to the house. Kisses another woman. WHO's. Played by Melissa George the one that played the original Camilla. Yeah and then she announces her engagement to Adam in front of Adam's mother who cocoa? COCOA AND COCOA STILL? Is Very caring she's. You know when when they're doing that weird thing where they can't even get out the fact that getting married, they're just giggling. and. Cocos Holding Diane's cocoa knows that like my son is kind of Shit yeah, basically. But. But Essentially Camilla in atom. Has Zero ass as far as Diane's concern at this point for sure. Yeah, they're just they're just. They're just being nasty. You know they're just kind of amused by the whole thing by dance suffering about the. Yep. So Diane who's understand pissed at this point. Goes to winky's. And hires a hitman named Joe eats up with Joe. Joe That we had seen earlier in the film. We haven't talked about Joe but. Is was really bad at being hitman. Yeah his his gun just goes off. Yes basically this comedy of errors that we see, but apparently she hired him to kill Camilla. Yes, and this actor has a history of being a bad henchman. He's the big Lebowski. He's one of the rug pictures. Big? Hey isn't this guy supposed to be a millionaire? Is that actor yeah? So so while she's there in the booth at winky's, and this is the same booth that we had seen. Dan In. The other guy I forget his name. Herb Earlier in the Dannon talking about this dream and see that's another thing like. What's the because Dan starts us on the dream part of it, so yeah, this is weird. This dream even start. Things get really circular at this point. Obviously yeah. So and it makes to make matters worse. She served by a waitress named Betty. Right. It's the same actress playing the waitress, but instead of having the name Diane. She has an embedding exactly so they basically swapped identities at this rate, right, yeah, and So. Let's see in the Joe Tells Diane that he can. Once he completes the job. You leave a blue key in her apartment. Next is so that's is apparently the same key that she finds in her coffee table right so apparently the job was done Camilla was killed. Right it's or so we think. So. Diane, you know. Starts to become wracked with guilt over this. She starts kind of like imagining. Camilla desert. There's a very unexpected masturbation scene. That takes. And it's because she she loves her, but she hates her for being right. As cruel as she is, she's she. You know she. She hates it. She's so cruel, but she can't help but love her, so it's like she. She's trying desperately to be with her even though she's not really being with her at this rate. Yeah, exactly so she's a imagining herself. She's got champagne fantasizing. Yeah, she's got that sort of. Love One can kind of a thing going on exactly so. While so. This she starts getting being the guilt I. Think kind of our Zor. She knows that the police are kind of closing in. So. She ends up going in committing suicide. In the head, and then collapsing dead on the bed. Just lays down. The corpse that Betty and Rita found in the, but in reality number one, and she starts going crazy, and that's when she sees the little tiny people, the little tiny Irena everybody got that. Every getting this far CH- just checking. Yeah, so if you're lost, that's understandable, but welcome. Welcome back. Welcome to the club right? Welcome to the party how. Committed the coast. WE'LL WATCH MAHINDRA WE'LL. Have Left. Exactly so So. That's three topics right there that we went through. And and we still have like even more to talk about. So the question is so the question is. Do we want to like? Cut It here and follow this up in part to. Or, do we want to keep going? Well the movies almost over, so let's finish the and we'll talk. Okay worry. We'll try and hurry this. We'll talk a special features next time all right so So probably the next thing we should talk about at this point is adamant. The cowboy. Yeah. Having the Cowboy Cowie, so we've always seen what Adams kind of up to In the way we're kind of introduced him is like He. He has this meeting downtown. Back in reality number one. Ray with his. Like a couple of producers, and then the the Castellini brothers played by Angelo, bet debt battle, the mentally and Dan Daya. Right and. The brothers Kinda show Catcher the hitch of the actress named Camilla Rhodes. WHO's played? This is the girl. Yeah, they basically say this is who you're going to cast for your film and was like no, no I don't think he's. F You and then they. Freeze his assets, and you know just basically make his life very difficult. Yeah, this is after he gets pissed and goes out and smashes up their limo. Before driving off in his. Yeah right exactly so. They're so sort of Johnny Fontaine deal. That's happened and that's. And that's what he goes home and finds Lorraine with gene. Pool Guy. Gene Pool Guy. We talked about that. And then like some goons show set by the casting the anti show up, beat up. His wife and Jean. The Pride of I love her jumping on the guy get of here. Yeah it really. Is kind of like picks her up because he's so huge and she's so. This guy is like as tall as why. He's not short, so he's just kind of like like it's like he's one of his kids off of his shoulders. going. Get off me and we're not punches her her off. That's right. Because this kind of like backwards punch. Face And, they're just like matter of fact. Just throws her the wall in the floor. She she doesn't have enough of a healthy sense of what's actually the right thing to do. Well to be fair. She kinda had upcoming probably but in. She's well. She's a terrible person, so she can't figure out. Like. Don't jump on a mobster. Maybe especially higher. Higher Dunes higher good yeah. Do I, tell you how to do your job. Scenic, that's how you do Simpson's reference. There you go. That's how it works. That's that's how it's done my friend. All right. So adamant lies low in this like CD. Low Rent Motel. And we're still in the first reality with right, yeah. So you we find it and finds out that basically he's broke. And his he calls his assistant. and. She tells him that. Who Secretly in love with him. Yeah, exactly so basically like you can come over and stay at my place. My place and an atom is like that's really not a good idea. Well, what I think is interesting about. Staying at that really seat you motel. Right, he's been there. He's been there before. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, because he knows guy the guy. Yeah know his his his wife cheating leading with Billy Ray. Cyrus is not the first infidelity that has happened in this marriage. No I'm sure he's like he knows this place pretty well. It seems like yeah, so any feels must have felt safe to go there, so yeah, he. He's been there before he feels at home. He knows he can lay low yeah. So, Adams Assistance Cynthia tells him okay. This guy named the cowboy wants you to meet with him at a corral at the top of Beechwood Canyon. so Adam is is like okay. The cowboy, what's up this a corral? And tells me. Yeah, just just be there. I'll make sure the meeting happens if you. Go, so he goes. There meets with the cowboy. And the cowboy is very like Mrs tremont kind of character. Very epigrammatic. Cryptic and very. Here's what you need to do. And once he talks to the cowboy. He does what he's supposed to do. And then everything's kind of okay with him. He cast the right girl in the story. And, because from they tell you threatens them says like. If you're told in, you know you're only see me once, but if you don't do what you're told, you'll see me twice two more times. To more times. Yes, yeah, so which obviously a very veiled threat. You were going to be visited by three gifts. Because a little little gets a little Dickensian. They're a little bit. Just a bit. So so basically. We find out that you know later in the film. when when Betty shows up. That's when he tells like he does what he's told. He's like I. Guess I guess I want my stuff and my money back so okay. The girl, this is the girl in, so he gives Camilla the part. and. and. That's you know that's basically what we find out a part. You know we don't see any more from Adam. Until about avenue field with like we talked about his story is the same. In both realities. The only thing that's different. Is the Camilla. Yes. So so apparently, he's consistent. So that's again why I'm like okay, which one's real yeah, and is is any of it. Even real is all of it still just Dan's dream well in the second reality kind of fills in some gaps of information about the first reality. Yeah, as far as Annan's concern, right in. So! So There's that we need to talk about the bomb behind winky's. We gotta talk about the behind Leakey's. Yes, the behind Wiki is terrifying if you'd asked me. As we started out with Dan because big big like. It's a it's a real real. Jump scare yeah, and So Dan. Is, in Winky's, and he's talking to her as I had a dream and you were in it and we were in this booth. We were in this diner and this happens, and then we go up and he's like it will show me what happens in the dream. So you see them walking to behind a dumpster and then this? Filthy looking bump comes out. This monster kind of looking character is pretty superhuman character, sub-human, looking character, and and it freaks out Dan so bad that he has a heart attack. And then. When everything is done at the end of this movie when we think Camilla's may be dead and Diane Shot Herself. We see it's nighttime this time. Yes, so we go back around to the dumpster. winky's and we see a very similar looking character, yeah! So in in at this point. Creature for lack of a better word. because. It doesn't really look human. Funding a blue box. That's the blue box. So essentially like you know if you're wondering where that would happen at the box, apparently, the pump gets it and so is it the bums dream? or Maybe. This is the third reality. Where Betty disappeared and began. Does she. Maybe Betty becomes the bomb. I don't know that's that's the that's the thing about. This is the key. Yeah, and not literally that is the key to this whole story the box. Yeah, is it? Is it Dan? Is Betty the bum? What you don't know? There's so many different elements you see like maybe like red herrings. Possibly? The first time I saw this movie I saw that bump handling. That box I just thought to myself. I have such sights to show you. What the Hell is going on. With this box and get no, that's that's a rule. Apparently, the bum is a center bite, but the bone I think is a Senate bite. I and I think the bum is a prototype for a woodsmen from the return from twin peaks their return, just with the Y-, just the dirty. Filthy face yeah, all of it is is like that so I just this. That's a great great observation. Because Yeah I. Mean I can totally see Lynch being fired or just. Saying. That's the kind of character. I want yeah right, but just let this be a lesson to you kids if we learned anything from the movies yeah. Mysterious boxes don't touch them yeah. Don't touch him well. There's two things we learn. Don't go behind back in behind a restaurant in the alleyway behind the restaurant. You know what's what's behind the dumpster behind diner, the grease trap. Yeah, okay, it stinks back there. You don't want to go well especially as I grew up in a restaurant. Okay, a family restaurant. But. especially if you're having a dream. that. There's something horrible back there. There's GONNA BE! There's GonNa be so. The grease dumpster. It's GonNa. Be raccoons something bad? Don't go exactly so you know like if you have a dream about it in your frayed about it. Don't go looking for it. Just leave it alone. You know move on with. A mysterious box. That's not yours. Yeah, don't touch. It is going to change your if you're gonNA. Change a reality for the worst or at the Senate bite right. Okay, and nobody wants that. Yeah, no, it's not a good look. No so. So, yeah, you either end up as Diane Selwyn or your. Bone behind the dumpster or Or something or your Doug Bradley! Doug Bradley exactly. With puzzle boxes, yeah, exactly. Yeah, no stay the hell away. But. It's got pins on your head. Go Fix. Or Your Catherine Martell and your brother is Danaher real he. Tried to figure out if it's your birthday or ECK, hearts, birthday, or whatever and you and you know what it is. It's a key to a bomb all right. Stay away from mystery boxes pretty much. Yeah, yeah, gives you nothing but trouble so nope. Important safety tip thinks in. Art That's bad. We should try from. Talk a little bit about Joe the Hitman. Because Joe, the Hitman has a very funny sequence in the first reality. Yeah shoots. Think is going to be his partner. And then accidentally shoots the woman the next office. Yeah, 'cause! He's talking with this guy in any supposed to like. We find out that he was looking for this black address book. so he shoots that guy. But because of his competence he has to like. He shoots. Through the wall into the next in the office next door or whatever it hits this like. Heavy set lady. She's it's. It's one of those like rent an office type. Expect like Sam Spade to have an office in this building and she's just. Like something bit me. Something bit me bad. And he could have just left it at that, but he wants up shooting her winds up shooting the janitor shooting the vacuum clean right right because it keeps making noise so like and you know, and as he shoots the vacuum cleaner that sets off the fire alarm Oh my God. It's so it's like something. If essentially like right now. The naked gun so bad he's he's very much. The lebowski henchman this. You just can't do anything right so that's part and part of me wonders. Did He Kill Camilla? He's not good at his job. So I don't know. Will. Maybe in the second reality, he's better at his job that he was the first one. And again in. Reality than. I guess I guess Diane has to know him some way. Right to hook up with him to hire him to kill Camilla. But. It's like I wonder I mean that just seems like an interesting side note for a dream for her to be dreaming about Joe Right. So. I, don't. Just. It's all just very very strange. It is, it is and. And we have another set of cops who were never going to solve the crime. Because yeah, completely. We have no idea what happened to. To To McKnight and his partner. That terminate terminent Backley. It's okay. We're just call Frank Franken MAC. But You know. There's no resolution to that storyline at all. And it's like even if they weren't looking well. Presumably you know the the they've zeroed in on the Real Diane. Right, but yeah, she kills herself and so they. Don't really. Yeah exactly so now have another corpse in their hands and more mystery I guess. So so. I know is confusing to hear this breakdown. Confused as we went through it, but. I. Hope I hope we at least addressed things we needed to address. And he knew this was going to be dill difficult, but Hopefully we helped a little I don't know what do you think? Well I think we certainly give people something to think about when they're watching this, yeah! Maybe, yeah, maybe we did, but hopefully we had some theories. We had some Trivia I. Think we did OK okay all right so. There was a deleted scene, but I think we can save that for when we talk about the special features I would agree. That's a special feature all right, so Do you ever rating for this movie? Yeah I do I love. This movie Yes. I think it's great, and I'm going to give this. Nine out of ten Hollywood sign font. That? Yes, if you notice the credits of this movie, you're done in the Hollywood sign fund. So that was good. This is I. I was talking about this with Chris, when I was watching it and I think it might be my third favorite David Lynch movie after Blue Velvet Inland Empire interesting yeah. Yeah I put the second. After Blue Velvet. It's number one. Yeah. Okay, so we're at least. Probably next wild at heart loses a few points because I have to watch hillbillies. Fan of that either. I Love I love wild at heart. They are some some shit. That's characters. But but yeah, it might be might be too for me. We'll. I also giving us nine out of ten. Give it nine out of ten jump. Scare bums behind winky's. That's a good one. Yeah, yeah. Interesting, though the the bummer supposed be male, but as played by a female actress. Right so the bone I feel. I feel like the BUM is sort of gender fluid. We'll see that's why I kind of wondered. If the bum is actually what happens to Diane. Who knows is. Or is that? You don't know you just yeah. Yeah, we'll see but anyway. Now normally I was mentioned that. Hey, we've actually have some mail. Hey Rock on. Yeah, we got two letters. Believe it or not awesome. But the question is. We're kind of running really long here. So shall we say those for next time? Yeah, let's see if this next time because I. don't want people who were letters to feel like. We're rushing through their letters right so I wanNA give apologies to Matthew Curtis. who was kind enough to write in? Got Your email got the g mail. And also a certain DJ Nick. Who wrote in a review of his review of Mahala drive? Teaching that sounds familiar. I'm so right. We want to give Dj Nixon time. Reside have heard yet heard something about it so. so we don't have to rush through those when we say this 'cause we're gonNA. 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Just kind of my mom does not listen to this podcast. She's big because she's like. I cannot get a frame of reference. I have no idea what the hell you're. So, but she she does like a gold standard for that reason because she can get it yet. Get a grip on things. What about you Charles where you think your mom and my wife Lori are pretty much in the same boat. My mom in your mind. Your wife should get together and go bowling pretty pretty much. because. It was pretty interesting while I'm. Doing this Mahal and Dr Rewatch. Laurie Laurie watched it along with me. She did other things she looked up and yeah, I would tend to have a catcher looking at things. You know every so often. As, I was going through the movie. The movie was over. She didn't say a single word about it. Like nothing and I and I said. Should I even bother asking you what you thought of this movie and she said nothing. So so. So. I left it right. There didn't even follow up on that I. Guess. 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How Close is the End?
"Each. Listener supported W NYC studios. Wonder when our world will become a ruin for archaeologists to explore. What will they make us? So far this year has brought an unusually abundant crop of apocalyptic omens most. Likely, global pandemic that's claimed half a million lives so far, but also fires raging across one of the coldest places on Earth Siberia due to the climate crisis Oh and a brief brush with the possibility of nuclear warfare back in January when the US ordered the killing of an Iranian general in fact, that's I I sat down with journalist and devoted amateur historian Dan Carlin creator of the compulsively listened to podcast hardcore history. He's the author of the new book. The end is always near apocalyptic moments from the bronze age collapse to nuclear near misses. I called him because I couldn't get one of those moments I I heard in his podcast out of my head. It was when xenophon the Greek encountered the disintegrating ruins of Great Assyrian. City. Gate that it's eight king mile fortifications, its walls one hundred feet high Niniveh possibly some two hundred years after its fall and imagining xenophon standing there. Wrap that it's impossible. Grand Grandeur xenophon was an ancient Greek general. In Persian civil war around the times of the classical Greek. So you know four hundreds BC, and while he's fleeing after the battle is over he and his men stumble upon cities that are just deteriorating in the dust but he can see from the walls and the height of everything that they're mammoth by comparison to what he knows about back home and he quizzes the locals and they blamed it on on the previous people who live nearby but a lot of people have always thought these are Syrian cities that a couple hundred years before had probably been the capital of the greatest empire. The world had yet known. You know the reason I think we find it compelling is because we? Can't imagine anything like that happening to us if you could go back and find the ruins of a civilization before yours and find stuff in it that cure cancer or that had medical technologies above and beyond our own, you wouldn't even know how to process it as a modern person because we've been on a five hundred to eight, hundred year John. If you think of human capabilities like a stock market, we've been on a stock market tear for since the renaissance at least there have been time periods in some places where growth has sort of gone backwards to rise up again so that xenophon account is wonderful. You likened it to that moment in the planet of the Apes. Damn us. The time traveller sees the Statue of Liberty's head in the dust and I've always loved that scene in that movie because of all, it says in the blink of an eye everybody at the same time in the theater has the same thought and realize the same thing at the same time, and it's this weird idea that xenophon was probably having. When he saw the Syrian cities, you pretty much start off your book with the end of the Bronze Age. I didn't realize how much was lost when it fell go back to our civilizational stock market idea it represents a real spike in. The modern areas of the Middle East, West Asia and the Mediterranean where all of a sudden you begin to have a highly sophisticated, highly literate for the time period massively interconnected society via things like trade and even communication. So letters between the various rulers of the various states which have survived in some cases. This is also the time by the way when our concept of ancient Egypt was at its height and when you read the histories of the period, it's really the first time that you look at it and you go gosh, you know I kind of from geopolitical standpoint I recognize this. If. We go back thousand years. We see an entirely different world. This bronze period lasted far longer than we can even imagine. And yet, it came down it could have been incursions of people from the C. Famine or climate change drought earthquakes, volcanoes, nominees plagues maybe Internet's and more fair or maybe a systems collapse maybe the first time you get such a sophisticated system. And the one thing you could say about the Bronze Age system compared to our own is it was a lot more brittle had a lot less redundancy in it. So if something did fail, the cascading effect might have affected them a lot more than affect us today like what? The trade system, for example, this was an era where the hittites were around when the Bronze Age ended they ended two. But when the hittites went down, they were sort of a center spoke of a wagon wheel in in the trade system in the in the area sort of at the crossroads between. West. Asia and the world of the Greeks I mean the Bronze Age was the first of the great eras of Greek civilization too. So if you're the hittites near the Great Trade middleman if all of a sudden, let's just say barbarian tribes takeover that region it's the equivalent of having the road cut. So I mean these are ways that the system itself if a local outage it happened might have cascaded like a bunch of Domino's what it systems collapsed. That did in the Roman Empire Oh boy it's a lot less excusable to not know why the Roman Empire than than the Bronze Age, you're talking about something that predates the Old Testament of the Bible. Longtime ago, comparatively speaking the Roman Empire's close to us and yet I don't know the last time I read there were two hundred and fifty or three hundred theories. But when the western Roman Empire went down, it's like a giant power station for that part of the world and when it went down a lot of other places where either on impulse power or totally in the dark and as you note, especially in connection with the fall of the Roman Empire, these falls might not be falls it all just changes in management this is one of the things I love about history. You know some people will sometimes make fun or get mad at revisions in history. That's revisionist history. Revisionist history is what historians do all the time as new information comes forward they react and synthesize it, and what it really does is over time you get a lot of different views and one of the ideas about the Roman Empire falling is that it didn't fall at all that what you have is a transition that's big these days that hard breaks or the end of Arizona whatever are more constructs by later historians and that for a lot of people in the air if I could transport you back there things might look reasonably the same, but you feel there's value in putting yourself back there to understand what humanity has come through so far. While at the same time understanding that it's it's sort of. Inconceivable. Historians have talked about this for years now about how it isn't possible to understand the past were to burdened by thing that we grew up with at the same time. This is why I like to get right into the human level because while we can't understand them culturally there are things that make people in any error, the same as people in any other era at a certain route level where all people and that's why those stories still resonate with us. In the book you talked about many towns where play took more than a quarter or in China, maybe ninety percent of the inhabitants what is due to the person? Do you attach yourself less children? Are you more brutal or casual about death US suggest that people in the time in certain fundamental ways maybe different from us right now, the last couple of years people on the coasts and in. Big. Cities may have felt a strain that they're not used to, and maybe the idea of pacalypse is in people's minds. Can we assume that what happens to us during one or two presidential administrations will change US forever can history turn on a dime? I would suggest that yes, history can turn on a dime but I I would also suggest that oftentimes when it appears to turn on a dime. The roots of that quick turn go back more deeply than maybe I appears I truly think someone were writing history book two hundred and fifty years from now and put our error right now into context that you could probably date this more towards the beginning of radio and then television, and then what we have now as almost an exponential growth in the power of communication and how that influences. Everything else, and so quickly that it is hard for systems to evolve at anywhere near the same speed. So I think you could already see the cracks forming in places that are more culturally repressive Iran China Russia where they're desperately trying to figure out how you control this de stabilizing power of communication. Now, they're the canaries in a coal mine will feel it too and we do feel it. Elections and foreign countries I mean when I was a kid Radio Free Europe is a big deal because you could be a signal across a border but think about how different is now everybody's on the same message boards together right? We are probably in the really early stages of this revolution I've done a bunch of shows. The hidden theme is this question about long-term progress that has to be paid for by a generation right if we're on our way to a better world, but there's going to be some creative destruction on the way to get there. Could we be the generation that has to pay the societal tab for that I actually debate this with myself sometimes about the practical value of thinking hard about these things because for example, I think you could make a logical case that we should all every single day be as concerned about the potential of nuclear war as people were while the Cuban missile crisis was happening but you quote Bertrand Russell saying you may reasonably expect a man to walk tight wrote safely for ten minutes it would be unreasonable to do so without accident for two hundred years. The basic question in that chapter is can humankind handle the ever increasing power of its own weapons systems. Can it evolve enough to keep up with its technology? This is the basic question between the two sides when atomic and nuclear weapons were young. You know the philosopher, the Bertrand Russell types and a lot of the people that worked on the early bombs saying we're going to have to grow into a higher level of greatness as human beings as a species willing to. Renounce war as policy and all these sorts of things, and then the people who did not have any faith in our collective ability to do that and thought if we can't figure out a higher level of greatness to grow into, we're going to have to use our human ingenuity and adaptability to create systems that allow us to live with the weapons and the power that they have. You say that part of the difficulty of imagining past apocalypse is has to do with this moment. Wherein the period of the long piece, a period in which we've developed weaponry that could conceivably destroy the world and we can't focus on it. That's the danger of the long piece I drew up next door to an air force colonel than he said once sometimes, it gets to be too long since you smelled the bodies, his point was he knew people that had walked through the concentration camps right after liberation and you know they made some of the locals who live nearby. Do, that too because it was something, you would never forget. But how many generations can you go since you had to live with a disaster like that too comes a television theme or a movie plot it's almost become banal. Oh, not another post Armageddon Nuclear War movie you know give me something new I don't have an answer but I almost feel like instead of making us more aware of the dangers that lurk right around the corner if we're not careful we're bored of Armegeddon. Tell me why you wrote the book. I'm interested in the extremes of human experience and these are backdrops where that comes to the fore. Yeah. But do you think we are approaching another extreme? We can dodge Ebola here a hemorrhagic fever there in avian flu somewhere else. But eventually, something's going to hit if only because if you consider that we may be around another ten thousand years I mean there's just so many things that can get you. WanNa play you a piece of tape. This is Bertrand Russell when you mentioned the kind of world order that you hope to see. Within the next twenty thirty years. What kind of world order do you think we can expect to see? Expect. Yes I expect you see nothing would cope she's. Quite simple. I think the human race boom truck last century. What do you think? I like to say the disclaimer if current trends continue if current trends continue, you're going to get to a point where the much slower evolving frameworks and systems that we have governments, for example, national entities, and all these things will not be able to coexist with with the level of change at the speed that it's happening when governments become destabilized maybe by social media or the impact of all these sorts of things that we may be our only beginning to see that could open up the door to things like war between the great powers, which seemed very far fetched today. So if current trends continue, I think we're heading deeper into this. Revolution that we live in and I think there's a decent possibility we might emerge on the other side into a better world, but we might be the generation that has to pick up the TAB for making that progress. Dan Thank you very much. Thank you for having me. Dan Carlin is creator of the groundbreaking podcast hardcore history and author of the end is always near apocalyptic moments from the bronze age collapse to nuclear near misses. Thanks for listening to this podcast extra. You can catch the big show on Friday, it's. Posted around dinnertime time and check out our newsletter for more on the media.
NASA Mars Mission Updates
"Hey, space news pod listeners if you wanna show your opinions give feedback or tell me what you're thinking said me, a voice message voice messages, earn easy way for you to send me audio the might end up in a future episode of the space news, pod voice messages are the latest feature from anchor the platform, I used to make this podcast if you have an idea for an episode if you want me to cover something, you can send me a voice message right now from wherever you're listening, just tap. The Lincoln my show notes. And I can't wait to hear from you to order listening to the space news pod. So that means you like podcasts and you probably like music too. So on Spotify, you can listen to all of those things, all your podcasts, and all of your music in one place in, you don't need a premium account. They have a huge catalog of podcasts on every topic including space news pod. You can follow your favorite podcast. He never miss episodes. Download episodes. Listen to off line and easily share what you're listening to with your friends with Spotify integrations with. Social media platforms like Instagram. So just searched for space news pod on the Spotify app. Browse podcasts in the your library tab and follow me. So you never miss an episode of space news. Pot Spotify, the world's leading music, streaming service in now it can be your go-to for podcasts too. Hello. And welcome back to the space news pod. A daily podcast for space science in tech. My name is will Walden and today on this episode, I'm going to be talking about Nasr's future Mars missions, and current Mars missions like the Mars reconnaissance orbiter. But I, I wanna tell you about what's going to be happening on Monday. I did my first interview with somebody in that somebody is Dr David warm flash on Twitter. You can check him out at cosmic evolution. He's a he's a writer. He's an author. He's a doctor and we talk about his new book. It's called moon an illustrated history from ancient myths to the colonies of tomorrow. But we don't just talk about the moon. We talk about upcoming Mars missions, a little bit of space, politics, and some other stuff in there, too. But there's a lot of. About the moon. So if you're interested in that mixture to listen on Monday to the episode with Dr David warm flesh, and I'll be posting the full video interview on our YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash space news pod. So I got a news alert from NASA at JPL the Jet Propulsion Laboratory about their new Mars twenty twenty Rover updates in the a picture of the ship of the craft is going to be taking the Rover to Mars the ship. It's about the size of let's just say, like a I don't know, seven to eight person hot tub. If that makes sense where you're not cramped, like you have a lot of room, it's like a like a like a larger hot tub. It suspended by cables, there's a cruise stage which will power guide, the March twenty twenty spacecraft during its seventh month seven month trip to Mars. And below that there's an arrow shell which will protect the vehicle during cruise as well as during the crazy fire descent into the Martian atmosphere. In. You might remember something like the descent from curiosity, which was this like a seven minute, descent, where it's fiery, it's really really hot in it. Looks like the craft is gonna burn up in the atmosphere, but survives in, then we have great science going on Mars. But inside of that shell. There is a rocket powered descent stage and it has a Rover in there, too. But right now it's just a, a standing Rover for the time being until they actually lost the mission because they don't want to put the actual Rover in there did want a cocoon it up right now. They want to wait until the actual mission. They'll put it in and then the flight up to Mars in the actual Rover that's got to be going to Mars is getting its final assembly and GPL's high bay one cleanroom right now. So it's not complete. That's what Stanton is there just to make sure everything fits for when the actual Rover is done goes in the show, they send it off. And it says here that the Mars twenty twenty spacecraft was tested in the twenty five foot wide eighty foot tall, which is eight meter by twenty six meter chamber in the same configuration, it will begin while flying through interplanetary space, the twenty twenty Rover carries an entirely new suite of instruments, including a sample caching system. The. Will collect samples of Mars for return to earth on subsequent missions, this mission will launch from Cape Canaveral air force station in Florida in July of twenty twenty in landed Jezero creator on February. Eighteenth of twenty twenty one. So if all goes, well will probably start getting some science from this thing in March of twenty twenty one and want to get back from this break. I'm gonna talk about Marzieh's m aro, which is the Mars reconnaissance orbiter and held many trips. It made around the red planet. It's a crazy number. So get ready. Hi everyone. I would've let you know about inker dot FM. It's where I host by podcast in, I find that it's the easiest place to do that. And it gives you everything that you need in one place, for free, which you can start. Podcasting from your phone, or from your computer. You don't need special crazy equipment to start doing it. You can talk into your phone video, editing equipment that costs thousands of dollars to start a podcast, you can do it from anywhere in when you're done, recording your episode anchored at FM will distribute it. So it can be hard everywhere on Spotify. Apple podcast Google podcasts. Stitcher, every place that podcasts can be heard, and you can make money with your podcast. It's pretty simple. There's no minimum listenership to start making money with anchor. So if you wanna make a little bit of money while having a cool podcast, while download the ANC rep or go to anchor up FM to get started. So Mars recounts, orbiter collects daily science about the planet surface at atmosphere, including detailed views with its high resolution image science experiment. Camber the high rise and it's powerful enough to see surface features the size of a dinner room table from one hundred eighty six miles above the surface in just a -ccomplish a really crazy milestone, it has done sixty thousand loops around Mars and on average, the M R O takes a hundred and twelve minutes to circle Mars in goes about two miles per second. That's three point four kilometers per second. It goes really, really fast. And it's not just a hot rod. It doesn't just go fast around Mars. It collects daily weather data it probes the subsurface for ice and the. This data that they get from this reconnaissance orbiter. Well, they can use that data for designing future missions that will take humans to the surface of the red planet in the future, and it doesn't just do its own science. It works as a relay. So it's a network of relays the being data back to earth from Nastase Mars. Rovers Landers, and later this month, the MRI will hit another milestone, it will have relayed one tear bit of data mainly. From Mars is curiosity Rover. So if you've ever seen, you know, sell fees from curiosity, or, you know, the surface of Mars, they have really great photos, Anastas website in on the social media channels, while the empire, oh, probably helped with that helped relay those images back to earth. Dan, Johnston in Nasr's JPL in Pasadena, California. He's the project manager over there. He said, MRI has given scientists in the. Public new perspective of Mars. We've also supported Nastase fleet of Mars surface missions. A loving them to send their images and discoveries back to scientists on earth. And also during landings of crafts on Mars, while the MRI takes pictures. It'll take pictures of these landings. It'll take pictures of the lending sites before they actually get there to make sure that nothing has changed, and make sure that everything is okay. And you know, and then they make decisions based on the photos from R O, and other orbiters. And also, not just before the landing though, make sure that the Lander got their properly in the make sure they'll take photos of the, of the Landers, and make sure that, you know, they didn't collide with the surface because instruments on the lenders could be wrong. You know, there could be some, some damage to some of the instruments. It does happen. And those instruments could be wrecked on their way, you know when they hit the surface. So am I rose there to take photos of Landers? Make sure they got there in one piece. Make sure that everything's good. Make sure that the parachute didn't deploy over the actual Lander in ruin all of the science. So I'm arose there for numerous reasons and they just got sixty thousand laps around Mars. So I wanna say thank you to everyone who subscribe to this podcast if you haven't subscribed yet. Police hit the subscribe button, if you'd like space science in tech, because it happens every single day on the space news pod. Also, thank you to patriot patrons patriot dot com slash space news podcast. And also, thank you for taking the time out of your day to spend it here with me on the space news pod. I'm your host will Walden and I will see you soon.
Niner Faithful Radio Season 03 Episode 44
"What's up yours boy. Faithful has everybody to hope. Everyone had a very very last week. I hope you enjoy the bye week. Got A kick back You know stretch out your arms feta. Maybe you watch some football. They didn't make your start because you were invested baby. You're just like me. You kinda just handle some personal business since Emma business business you know but I'd like to everybody for joining me today today. Of course we're going to preview the matchup that a lot of us didn't think we would see nine. Vikings which some would say would be the best way for us to make the Super Bowl will will see. We are four on one against them in the playoffs but are only loss did come on. We're the number one seat in nineteen eighty seven. We have the bye week so be prepared. No no slip in this week so before we get started today just a reminder you can find this show as a podcast on apple podcasts. Spotify Google play Music Google podcasts. You're spreaker blueberry tune in or cashbox. 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All right so before we go ahead and start wrapping niners vite Queens as some people might say. I think that we have to start with so far with the biggest news of the week is which is the return of full participation to practice of one Jakubowski Tart as we all know. One Alexander's practice window was opened last week and strong role limited participation returning to practice my birthday twin number fifty five d four Where you don't know that that I literally think that that's probably the most important aspect of getting us to a championship is I'd notice. I didn't say to Super Bowl. No no no no no no. We don't want to just make it to. We want to win the Super Bowl super bowl or bust baby but there is. It's as exciting. To of course get all three of them back into the practice Shanahan was set himself he. There's a good chance that quote Alexander Place this week so that that's great news. I think there was a stack going out on twitter and facebook this week that when you had deferred Nick Bosa Guan Alexander on the field or maybe it was request guitar but it was like a passer rating of like something ridiculous like three and is just that that that just shows you how powerful out awesome. That defends really was at the beginning of the season. I don't think there's anybody in the empire that the didn't think we had a championship caliber. Defense Ed so if you add quantum Alexander and you ajikwa Ski Tart and you add D Ford which I personally think de Ford is going to be the biggest. I don't WANNA SAY IMPACTS. But he's going to be the piece that we've been missing. I think that we could get by with with more Harris and I think we could get. We could get by with trae greenlaw. But I don't think we can get by without de for. I think what you notice. What made that defense elite at at what it was was the pass rush simply didn't have enough time and so. I'm not saying that we could just stick Eddie Buddy back there in covers and they'd be fine. Obviously you know you need a talented. Okay thank you Jason. What's up whether how you doing Jason of course said it was three. The passer rating was ridiculous. It's I mean it's it's great to get all the back trust me. I've doing cartwheels in if we could see number twenty nine And number fifty eight out that tunnel on Saturday then. Nobody will be more hype than me but I think deported is. We need to play at at a great level instep ensues role. I'm okay with him being a third down in obvious passing situation Player at this point I mean people are going to ask. Was it worth the second overall pick. I think at this point if you're looking at it and we win a championship then. Yeah what's up? Tim How you doing good to see you back. Good good to see you here as always that you joining us by the way why. Why don't we go ahead and do it? It's a big Kirk is a bum. You know this is. This is what what I see for coming and I wanted to say that he. He's a plum because you know he's an NFL quarterback now has he not gotten done in the past. Yeah except this week it takes one year now. What I anticipate happening is. I anticipate Minnesota coming out and trying to punch us in their mouth. I think we're GONNA get their best shot right away. And if we could sustain that or respond which. I have confidence that we can respond. Then I think we got a ballgame and I think that will make more plays because I believe we're more talented team. You know deserve seven or specifically their pass rush and nick. I'll just go ahead and get to it. Real quick yeah I mean ultimately. I think that's what really if our pass rush could play up to the capability of like it. Was you know earlier in the season? Data will send a chance. I mean. I shouldn't say that will stand a chance. Because you know you have to ask are there Disruptive to our offense of game plan you know that that's the question I have now. Even if they are. I still think that's the game we can win. Because I've seen this when that game. Just look at the rams game but also it boils down to. I have faith in Shanahan to come up with be able to scheme away to get past that and Jimmy has enough Kahane's and you know enough. Moxie that I think that he he can. He can get it done when when necessary so I think it's important for us to play clean football. You know I you can never say mistake free football because everybody makes mistakes. But we can't turn the ball over we can't be throwing. You'll pick sixes. We can't be fumbling the ball in the red zone. We can't be shooting ourselves in the foot. We cannot beat ourselves to me. That's the only way Minnesota beat says if we beat ourselves and especially at if we are playing up to the capabilities that got us to the position to have a first round bye. Then you know yeah. I think we're winning and I'll take my chances with green bay in the she cocks in the NFC championship game. You know We'll we'll we'll focus on that when we get there But I love course I would love to see all your opinions about the Games and those who are listening to this podcast as well. Just go in comment on whatever platform you're listening to the show on and I'm pretty sure I'll see it hopefully They'll have to notify me. How pretty sure somehow but So to me. It's I don't think we're gonNA blow them out. I don't think it's going to be you know. I think as a potential be comfortable win when I say a comfortable win you know. Let's say were up seven to ten points. Throughout the whole game maybe kickoff. You'll go at the end to go up thirteen. You know I could see that happening. Even if it's a close game I still like our chances. You know I just think it's gonNA ultimately boil down to. Can we make the one or two plays necessary on defense and on offense to win the game? Can we pull a drake re law stopping you know sobbing should at the one inch line? You know short by four skittles so or by force ghettos so I think it's very important to come up with those plays and we need to play to the capabilities that we have been playing all year. So I think if you're looking at an x factor type of player A little first of all. I think that it's important as as we're stepping back You know at the end of the season. I wanted to give a big shout. I I know that a lot of people have done. Their end of the season Awards this week. I felt it was unnecessary to do so. I'm not doing shade at anybody. Says she's in. The show are in the snow. That's crazy I think it's going to be a game to him but I think is going to be like it is for most of our games is that you just see at the end of the game where the better team. That's not a knock on the Minnesota. Vikings that's not saying they're not a good team that's not saying the dern didn't have a good season but you know. I just think I believe it's our time and I feel that not just with the first round by home seed and sixty two record at home and you know all that but just the way. A lot of things have lined up throughout the season and so One award. I didn't think it was necessary to give away awards because the season's not done yet but one award I do WanNa give right. Now is underrated player of the year. I think that's like in Thomas because he's had his ups and downs. You know he struggled against Jerry Garett from the Falcons you know He. He's had his struggles. But he's been there every snap and you know as they always say the best abilities availability. And so- coaches can scheme and coach's kid no at plan around a player's weaknesses. At least good coaches and I feel that we John Benton is a good offensive. Line coach Out His first. Name's John but I know. His name is bitten. His license suspended. But I feel that. In my opinion we have good offensive. Line coaches I mean. He got you know we lost. Just just think about what happened this year. You know losing both are starting tackles losing our center now. I understand that happened. You know later in the year but a shoutout goes sue. I guess I'll say underrated. Coach and underrated players Thomson. And and and then our offense Blanco's I think those two men deserve a great round of applause. Joe Woods. You Know Coach K. With the deep it's of line and Or I should say defensive backs and the defensive line respectively. Those things are awesome awesome coaches but I mean the one place I felt that we can sustain. Injuries was offensive line. And we lose. Sean Coleman I snap in the preseason boom swing tackle on Justin school per and you know garland stepping in blame big snaps and you know. They haven't played horrible so horrible. That we've lost a game the other clearly some snapping issues Against the AMS in the game on the twenty first couple of days before Christmas at Levi's but you know I didn't notice any snapping issues and shuttle and it's always funny to think that how loud that place can get in you know loud. Of course I have to say that with quotations with how allowed that place Sorry about that. Everybody a little bit of technical difficulties but yeah so we're going to go ahead and and this week's episode right But of course before we get out of here. I like to remind everybody to come join nine faithful radio and the rest of my empire FAM- at Empire. Oh this Saturday January eleventh for the first ever Tailgate at Levi Stadium. It's going to be you. Don't WanNa miss it and so I'm GONNA go ahead and make the announcement now. It has been confirmed. We're GONNA have three time super bowl champion. 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Episode 52: Cheldin Barlatt Rumer, From Overloaded to Focused and Streamline: How Making Changes Saved This Business
"Hey everybody welcome to try leaders podcast. I'm your host Emmy Kirschner. I am beyond excited to be having Sheldon Barlett back on the show again today. She is my. I repeat guests and interviewed her right at the beginning. When I started this podcast and it's amazing would just a year can do in changing your leadership in this episode Sheldon? I talk about how she had to really focus in choose one direction and one named focus on and that caused her to have a major pivot in her business. Now I love Sheldon Sheldon is vivacious vicious. She's amazing she's inspiring. You WanNa get up and just have a dance party with her. And I know you're GonNa love all of the value bombs that she has to share with you today. My Name Is Emmy Treasurer a serial entrepreneur and investor. The one thing that I get asked all the time is how do you achieve success in business and making each episode of the Tribal Leaders Podcast? You'll hear from entrepreneurs and visionaries share leadership has changed their lives. The lives everybody around them. Hey could you do me a quick favor? Take a screen shot of this podcast episode right now and Post it on your instagram and tag me and anybody else who you think could benefit from it. Especially if you've been finding value. I'm so grateful for you listening. Oh my God I am beyond excited to welcome back. You're already laughing. I love you address. Oh my God right podcast with that. Everybody uses not here Sheldon Barlett rumors. I Interview about a year ago. Remember what Number one will close that link rate in the show notes for everybody. Go back and listen to. We had such an amazing time sheldon. Is My friends. My mentor frequently. My inspiration you are the owner and the creative director and the creator of an amazing amount of magic for creative this TV and your whole premise is screen. You're raking dreams. Yes without further ADO. Welcome back I'm trying not to clap because nobody could see me crap. I'm clapping even though nobody can see or hear of so excited to be back. I mean you spoil me each and every time we need the average. I'm so grateful to be back on the show. So thank you so much for happening. Yeah thank you. It's been a year and we were recording. You said lakes and we're both not simply relying only growing and you can see like the goal line to you said you also pivoted so love like Divan just briefly. Yes so everybody had sense of your background and who are share a little bit about this. Tv Everything House. Of course of course so much for having me I am the host executive producer in essence. Ceo of a company called creative. We produce the Network and so my talk. Show my personal talk show on the network. Is this with children. But we also Twos fourteen anew over the course of this last year am fourteen additional digital shows For influential women that are primarily based here in the tri-state area in the area of the Philadelphia and respecting area and so when we originally started a year ago the focus was really about encouraging people to no longer whisper their wishes but in fact scream their dream and that's really my mission my personal mission the mission of creative and respectfully visit. Tv visit that work we supply digital content that serves our community and our community is really a community of remarkable women. Remarkable women in the world remarkable. You know is something that we've really are really utilizing so much in twenty twenty to really focus on women that by definition remarkable is means noteworthy worthy of attention and we believe that the women that are on our program and the women that Watch our Aram are worthy of attention and we're GONNA continue to create content for those folks and when we really started a year ago. I was really just focusing on this visit with child. It was my talk show that was on. I interviewed one to three people per day and that was really an ice. Spent the year telling these inspiring stories meeting remarkable women and what I found was. There was a handful of women that were really interested in telling their own stories off way Being able to produce their own content and so because I had the resource because I only equipment because it was all house of what we were already doing this Sheldon I began recording and producing independent content for other individuals. What we found was it didn't have the necessary source market or audience this this sheldon had so what we did was we would start to share. They're not only produce their content but distribute their content to our market. And this is it network evolved it involved in a pivoted way to say okay. We were producing our own show. Oh my goodness there is a need for other people to have their own shows independent shows how can I pull all of those shows underneath one umbrella over the course of the year a digital network was born and so that is just been an amazing ride but the pivot is real because now we're in evaluations face? You know what is working. What isn't working what shows make the most sense for what it is. My personal mission is and the mission of the company and how we control all of those things at scale God knows if you follow 'em you know she uses the word scale right. How do we scale regularly right regularly? How do we think about you? You know I have been thinking about you in this New Year in such intense way because you know. How do I continue to do this? In a way that serves not only our community but also offers a heightened level of content. And so that's been our really tough tough scenario but each and every day we create not only fourteen shows that are on the network. We produce Even this morning I interviewed for people here in the studio so we're constantly creating content again to support remarkable women telling inspiring stories. So that's what that's what I do and that's where we are now. That is pretty intense pretty intense. What's your biggest learning on? Pivoting an unreal. Taking in. Because I mean you've been doing that for a while and yeah while it was the one woman show. Yeah now you team. Yeah and I scaled up. You know the the biggest challenge for me you know. I'm I tend to in some of you may feel the same way is that I tend to follow the bouncing ball raid. Something amazing happens something so amazing opportunity every especially in our space right. I'm like there's always. Somebody wasn't amazing thing or a new concept or something especially being in the media space. I'm really being inundated with people that are always doing wonderful things but what my personality leads to is me being distracted by those things so one of my largest challenges. Right is is staying focused. Not because I don't love what it is currently doing but because there's so many shiny objects that are like the distance. I if I did this right. Yeah and your creative too. So it's easy to have there's plenty object and then be like. Oh I can create this. Look how you can expand over here and really If broadens your you're focusing your perspective on what you're right. I think to too wide or widely bright and and it and it makes it very it makes it dilutes what it is that. I'm doing and I find that following. The bouncing ball really distracted me from Mike or Values. I mean this year. We've identified what our value I mean. We won't talking in terms. I had identified. Longer whisper your wishes in fact screamer dream. It still drives me. We will from that. You still need to identify who your audience is. We identified as remarkable women. What is your product inspiring stories? I didn't have that right. I didn't have that language. I didn't have the at at concentration once. You adapt to that concentration. Then you have a job to do every right. Connect with remarkable women tell inspiring source. It's not as big as it used to be. And the challenge is staying really focused on your core values focused on what it is. You're looking to do suit and get your goals. But that's A. That's a challenge that I did not a lot of people think that those that are doing it are still challenged by. That's a muscle. I have to train every day to make sure that I'm not following those bouncing balls and I'm not being distracted by things right by the shiny object in the corner. Oh maybe I should do this instead or or maybe we should add this to the roster of things in which we offer like. It's so easy to create layers as opposed to focusing on your core layers. And that's always been a real challenge for me. Yeah personal Firing you qualified person inspiring story. I love motivation and movement. I really think in inspiring stories is what gets somebody to move or be motivated to move and I think that some people and even in the you know there was a lot of child in my mind challenged myself in the whole stream. Your dream philosophy. Because I do think a lot of people's but have nothing to say right and so for me. It's really important that this queen is based in action and intention and I think that that's what I mean by Iron stories that there is there is movement based on what I tell the story. It encourages you to move to do something whether it be physically personally professionally right. You want to show you watching interview near like. I want to in simplest forms by that. I want to attend that event I want to learn more about. I wonder reach out to that person when he email that person. That's an inspiring story. A story that encourages movement and motivation. And that is what we try to do. Each and every day and that's our definition of that And and that's it and that if it's not motivating it meaning it doesn't have a positive angle to it and it doesn't encourage some type of movement. It's not an inspiring for us. It's just for the sake of talking. You know what is the? What is the inspiring story? What is what does that angle. What is the what is the action as it relates to being positive or creating some sense of movement? I absolutely love love. There's so many people who you have inspiring stories. Where not only do you want to invest in them but again a change in yourself? Yes yes it is it is and I think the people struggle you know that You know I love branding. It's part of you know what it is that I offer and how it is that I work with people and I think it's who often people are focused on the product or service and they're not focused on the experience or personality. They're not focused on that. And there you know. And that's the difference inspired story that's motivation. That's what free to movement. Is You really focusing that personality in that experience and being able to have that shine through you know if you ever met in person chase a movement right now you feel it and you know that you're there for the right reason and you're grounded in your mission and it forces people inadvertently to be grounded in theirs or at least question why they are? They are grounded in there. And that's what I'm that's the inspiration right. If you look at Somebody Watch something and you say I want more of that. How do I get more of that? How do I buy Matt? How do I? How do I participate in that? That's really that's really where the magic happens. And we WANNA do. You WanNa do more of that. So inspiring stories is definitely part of our mission classic. What have you hard to let go onto that you can? And so yeah inspiring stories. Yeah I mean for me. It's really been it's I am and I don't know if any of you are this way I felt an oddity I feel more. I feel as if what I building is real. The more people I have around Ding versus the quality of people. Could I have around me so what I was doing was I was I was in? I was surrounding myself with anybody. Who would would would pay attention to what we've got going on in the grateful nature of it right and I was just so happy that people got it or that they were into it or they were excited about it. I wasn't really the quality of the people within my huddle all within the huddle of things in which I was working on and that is I let go of that and that was an insecurity of mine. It's like having a wearing a lot of close because you're insecure about your body right insecure about what I was building so I was surrounding myself with a lot of people. Right and bank is opposed to the right. People doesn't mean that those people are not part of our audience and our ambassador programs and other scenarios. They just don't necessarily need to be part of my intimate huddle in which you don't really manages or controls the trajectory of our business and I've let go of not just like not an angry way just have department allies. You know relationships that are serving. The growth of my business about is what I've had to let go of and not let go of the people is personalities but just as it relates to their role in what it is that I'm building and I think that that was. That was a hard hard thing for me right. You know when there's a lot of people around you utilize if it's real it's happening and so what you found yourself doing was working for all those people as opposed to working for your name and Your Business In the minute that I let go of all of that amazing things really started to develop so yeah let let go of those was a huge but hard very very hard right. There's emotion in that you know. There's a motion in in letting go of relationships that don't serve you any longer or having to be mature enough to identify that they no longer serve you. Right is is really really difficult. And so that for me is is what has been a real big challenge. I think that's brilliant because it goes back to what we've all heard and I think some of US really look at that more seriously and clearly. You're you're in that space where you are some of the people you're hanging out with and if you've got if you've got all those people within you're getting all those opinions there's a lot of conflict one hundred percent and again it becomes a bouncing ball right it becomes more of that action As opposed to use really staying focused on what it is that you're building it becomes really really a distraction and so you know my goal is to to be less distracted and be surrounded by the right people not just all you know in the intimate form and then we the community building to our audience and the people that enjoy the content that we're creating as opposed to looking to to to take care of everyone in an intimate way right. So what's your longer term vision as far as sharing these inspiring stories? What you hope to accomplish with your growing humidity gas so our goal is to continue to grow as a national minority female own digital TV network and really be able to tell the stories from a grassroots level up these inspiring stories and connecting people to a community of remarkable women in across the country and globally and to do that that means that we have to have our own application needs to live on an APP of its own where you can go and find these content and go find it. This is it with children and go and find really unique content. Follow the storytellers within the application. Follow these remarkable women. That's really one of the things that we'd love to do And we're really gearing up to do that's more of a short term bowl than even our long term or longer term goal is to make sure that we give various forms of content so right now are content is digital video less than ten ten minutes at a time but we really have just begun recording independent podcasts. For some of our remarkable and recording Audiobooks for some of our remarkable women women publishing books for a remarkable women. And maybe getting into what I would love to explore. I love the art form of documentaries. I love you know films. And and even you know sitcoms reality program really being a hub. In a home for really were remarkable women can find inspiring stories of all kinds in all different types of platforms. So that's really our long-term goal to make sure that if you come on to this. Is it network if you favor audio books or if you favor the written word or a few favor video were favored documentaries? That you know that you're going to get that content Once you log on or download what? It is that we're producing. May thanks. So really looking growing media empire a hundred percent unapologetically unapologetically and and the funny thing is is that I it. Three years ago. That would have been an egregious. You know kind of thing where I'm like. Oh my gosh. That's sounds so daunting like I'm building an empire you know aren't Meyer Small. But we we were building it you know and and what that will look like in five years or says what. It looks like today. I'm really embracing the challenge and and I think really staying focused on our values. Focus on you know really again. Remarkable women inspiring stories really focusing on that providing a platform for folks to scream dream. Really being focused you will afford. That's for that journey. To be more comfortable again if I if I avoid the bouncing balls at empowering the the shiny objects yeah so you've looked girl of people that weren't serving with you in your inner huddle on thank. What else are you doing to like even evaluate whether you're starting to follow bouncy shiny balls or I think the the key in that word you know you always have. These triggered said always radiate means so much is evaluating. I can't tell you the amount of people that do and don't review right so I I think that's the issue is you're just running through life especially in the entrepreneurial space like we're just happy to be functioning right like I get him because I'm just happy I got it right Yeah but the power is in the review. The power is in. How did I get eater? And that's what Israel transitioned is tough time has been for me because it's like if this or the show that I produce last year. Is that show working or I was just happy to have it right. And that is going to lead to lots of conversations with a lot of talent that you know have that are storytellers. But is that show serving us like we could continue doing it but we need to review it so that reviewing part that evaluation of what it is you're doing is monumental in your growth. It is not enough just to do and just to participate and just to put one foot in front of the other just to make you know just to create. We'll have to evaluate what you've created it serving yell and and our goal is to continue to do that. You know each and every day regularly and then act upon that review so not just review it or this is really awesome. Were killing it okay. How how do we elevate what's working well? And how did the eliminate what's not working brilliant? You're really looking at results. Reformer bounce driven and runs a hundred percent a hundred and in all fairness I kind of forgiving myself for not being result driven in the past. I mean you have to do right before you review right so they can't just reviewing without actually taking all of the things in which you were built to work for you and I think that's really what that's really what we're thriving and right now is it. Oh my goodness so. You're part of building the empire. Oh my goodness children you produce your own. Xiao you host your own show and you eight and producing fourteen other shows holy cow. That's a lot. I deserve the right to review it and I think that I wasn't affording myself the ability because I'm we're constantly on this treadmill constantly. I'm GonNa one day and he's not ready yet and I'm getting off track and I'm saying bill. Let's make better right because we're always in the carrot. It's never enough. It's never done it's never. I'm in the reviews face of light. Oh my gosh. I'm patting myself on the back. Forgiving Myself For my mistakes and I'm saying let's make this better. Let's make a better. Let's review it. And so that's that's you. Hit it right on the head when it's about the evaluation it's about that. Yeah it's that's the important piece. Yeah so I had an obvious question because you know that. I'm a planner meek and I love enjoying everything so are you schedule such a planner so are you scheduling that time in on a regular basis or is it something that like you moved the needle so far and then you look at what you're doing like how are you doing that. So you can review effectively. I mean I think I have to admit it was reviewed. Nothing happy New Year. Twenty twenty review everything right now that we've reviewed. I literally took break was uncomfortable. Though break was uncomfortable for talent uncomfortable for our team our number eight because but I knew that I had no other choice right. I had no other choice but to to to do the business service and take that break and to live in the pivot right. What is going to be? What is it GONNA look like? I couldn't pin it simultaneously. I had to be able to say. Rip it off like a band aid. We're GONNA make this move. Would ask for bigger and better. We're GONNA have committed to being a minority female owned digital TV network. That is going national. I have to say that loud I live at and so there was a big evaluation. There was a big review of the deal right now. I have to make sure that weekly checking in to review what's happening on an ongoing basis. I come from the restaurant world. That's where my career kind of started was hospitality in restaurants. We were only as good as the nights rang right. We were only as good as the weeks rang and then the month ring etc if we lived in the day to day and even in the day to day our profit lived in the ten PM to two PM time frame in the nightlife space. Ray said here off yet so I was comfortable in my former life. Living in the minutia of that living in the specific timeframe in which you need to make money on taking that skill set and applying it are we reaching remarkable women telling inspiring stories this week. Did we hit our benchmarks this week and I do that for fifty two weeks. I can ensure that I'm following my goals and reaching you know and getting reaching objectives. And that's what I'm committed to doing so it took time to to recap all of two thousand nine hundred and my goal is to do it week by week. Moving forward beautiful. I love that because you're right the consistency of doing it week by week. Yeah and it's going to completely build your empire. Oh thank you I hope so I. I know I know that. That's I mean this is the I mean. There's a reason why it is called Bissett because I'm planning on doing nothing else for the rest of my life and so he's working. This is literally it. I'm not doing anything else. What did we get? What a great way to for the for the boats the bridges everything. There's no looking back now. Zero zero looking back there looking backing and it's been an exciting ride and there's been a lotta valleys to the hills. There's been so many more valleys than than there are hills truthfully. But it's about reflecting on those and and having that departed to review and having that be part of the you know the evaluation and what does that look like in so yeah yeah right. I haven't talked to a business owner yet. The husband Hunt Valley and have that be the catalyst for incredible growth. Yes yes yes I mean. I'm excited for it and we feel it out. We feel the trajectory of it now and I'm grateful for the for the valleys. I mean we're still digging out of a few but But the fact that we are digging out of them is really going to be the testament to the strength of the business amazing so share with everybody where they can find you and how they can. They can watch this. Tv Yes okay so you can find us everywhere you can find at visit it. Tv So it's all what we're together at this is it TV We are all the social media platforms into. Give you as much content as we possibly. Can you could also love onto. This is it. Tv Dot Com for more information on the programming. The talent the shows and some upcoming events that we have we'd love for our communities live online and offline so there's opportunities to do both of those things and if you're interested in learning more about who I am you can follow me at Sheldon Barlett C. H. E. L. D. I N. B. A. R. L. A. T. T. level for being here. I you know I think this is the first time I'm hearing the clarification of the pivot. I knew it was happening I'm really looking forward to everything. Twenty twenty it's GonNa Bring for you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It's been a journey but a journey that I'm excited for a journey that I'm happy to be on with friends. So thank you well. Same and everybody. Who's listening? Thank you for being here. It's been so much fun. I really appreciate everything that you contribute. And you found this episode to be Super Valuable. Do me a huge favor because this help us grow and leave us a rating or review on Apple podcasts. We'll see you next week as an entrepreneur. You ever feel isolated like you're just running away and not getting to the place for reaching the goals that you want. Maybe you realized you've just days weeks even months trying to accomplish something only to figure out that the answer that you have would have saved through all of that. 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132 - What if mountains could turn into backpacks?
"The word if conspirator records if you're traveling back inside welcome <music> hey there folks and welcome back to what if world the show where your questions and ideas inspire off the cuff stories i mr eric eric your host and today we've got a question from a patron named layla mayenne filet five o. in may was this wide now to include tony back excellent question leela and very creative and we get all kinds of different questions from our listeners and sometimes we get character ideas too so let's listen to bruno's idea hi. I'm i just called to just say i care home. Brainless has always been getting topped off leading the only always thank you right. Wow now we lost a little bit in the middle but what i understood was there's zombie character named brainless and his head's always always getting popped off and i think he's got a poltergeist as an enemy and also he's always bumping into things what in our klutzy zombie on bay j._f._k. You're here for our meal out. I presume indeed all yam. I'd love to meow out achi from celebration florida ah archie he's into the lego monster series. I didn't even know that was a thing yep. There's vampires ghost and werewolves and staff half cool while you're probably enjoy this story then he'd he doesn't he doesn't strictly have to j. kanye album just getting okay. Okay sort of okay now. Let's find out what if there were those ambi- named brainless whose head kept popping off and what if mountains could turn born into backpacks and zombie at murky middle school all the undead students have to start every day by taking their feelings out of their heads and putting them into their backpacks most zombies ghosts vampires and skeletons allison's can do this with ease but then there was brainless whose head was always getting popped off goes by headed. Brainless zombie was feeling embarrassed. His headed popped off and all his emotions were pouring out like pebbles from his neck doc in their emotions every time he bumped into a desk or chair or a fellow student. All the kids just laughed even more. Excuse me just look over my head estella unless i appreciate that you are upset but you'll feel better once you pick your head up off the ground. Okay mr grumbler. That's right it was abacus p grumbler before or he was a professor at because was very young teacher back then he barely had more than a twisty mustache and that mustache didn't even have a single all white hair of wisdom khokar got it got it said brainless had as his body reached down to pick it up but then it was pushed away as if by a ghostly hand and by as if i mean may exactly lose your head again brainless all the monster students in the classroom last we're laughing as paul geist pushed brainless head away with ghostly force still using delicate leases on my head holler geist membranes and they are what's left of it glass. Stop laughing bickering all origin detention of you. Paula geist pool the little emotion from her head like ghostly little rock and she tossed austin into her backpack. Fine and brainless was finally catching up to his head joe most their brainless and a creature that look to be made out of charcoal with smoldering bat wings kicked brain lewis's head with a saudi foot and instead of picking his head up with his his hands. He voted it out the window with his oh vampire. Oh that's the tension for you and for brainless and paula guys to congratulations yeah. Don't give me that incredibly really frightening look and that classes how undamaged is able to pull their emotions out of their heads like rocks and store obama never ending backpacks and that makes so much sad degree or no. It sounds pretty hard. I do believe well brainless and the school bell rang marking the end of the day. All right glass detention has begotten. Let's go on a hike to new club very goes again. All the kids picked up their backpacks. You won't be needing those just leave them behind what ooh back bags and a few more pebbles poured out of brainless neck which he scooped up and threw in his backpack back before the four of them laughed murky middle school was set against the mountain range that wasn't too far off and before they knew it affects van pyro paula geist and brainless had all arrived now do you children know this mountain range of soy. It's tough for me to remember stuff like i heard him. Ocean mountains indeed paula and this range stretches as far as the i can see and father than that also because because bowden's a big boy and my point is have you ever thought of where those little pebbles you put in your backpack. Go not for a second. I suppose this is where and suddenly he teleported on top of the nearest mountain and this is someone's emotions to any shrunk the mountain down to the size of the backpack and here's someone else's any shrunk that that mountain down to do at here's a third person look at someone else's entirely and there were four were backpacks sitting before them. These are someone's emotions will. Where are they now. Oh probably most somewhere too. I know i don't teach teach mountain carrying. So what are we doing here. Why we're mountain carrying that safe. What do i know i don't teach mountain in carrying okay class. Carrier mountains and all four of them picked up a heavy backpack in slung over their shoulders. You heard this. It's fine brainless. Let's just get through this. Can't i simply pantomine no vampire empire. Oh you cannot burn your backpack and as the kids carry their packs toward the nearest mountain they started to hear strange distant fox and their heads he doesn't remember me. I thought we were fran. Why don't you and so what did i do my mustache to hold the children just so angry mr grumbler what's going on well. If you're having trouble with your own wound emotions. I thought maybe you all handle someone. Else's for a change is in fair. You tell us to put motions away at school. No no that's not what we're trying to set abacus although his pack seemed to be getting heavier and heavier trying to get you to take <music> out your emotions sees them before the school day starts. I need a rest. It's hot no mountains auden's. We're the only shade our birth and as brainless trained with his own backpack. His neck flexed again z. that we cannot always let our heads popoff every time we have elaine who you <music>. I mean it's important to remember your feelings so you can understand them and deal with them. Better the next time just adopt one second said paula geist pulling a ghostly little pebble out of her head and sticking it in her backpack. Only the pack on her back wasn't really hers to begin with odia. Did someone just mix up their emotions with someone else's emotions. I just put my feelings away. I'd do it all the time long back. Bird ghostly pebble popped out of her bag or more specifically typically. It was popped out of her bag. As the peak of a mountain started to rise out from it receives bad news ooh but the ghostly little pet didn't fall to the ground it flew towards brainless is backpack and a ghostly lia theory mountain started to rise peak. I from brainless as bag as well children. It might be time to her. I know i i was going to say walk very cautiously and quickly and calmly while pumping our arms and legs as fast as we can so the three children's started power walking toward the nearest mountain <hes> blameless paula guys your carrying those mountains with you. Leave them behind please. The mountains kept growing as the children. Put them down. I <music> felt like an earthquake or a reverse avalanche as all four of them sped away and two mountains careened into tweets other shattering until they're all mixed up in a pile of ghostly unreal rocks tumbling towards abacus in his class vampire. Oh you've you've got to open your backpack right now and make another mountain. Please just trust me but they did as they were told and suddenly they were all standing inside a study bookshelves and magic components line the walls an old wizard staff leaned in the corner beakers full of potions where scattered across one desk and a warn but comfy purple chair sat in front of another desk they could hear two mountains worth of boulders colliding with this study. They seem safe for now brainless running around the study bumping into every surface looking for a head that was for one still attached to his neck brainless. I understand i can explain everything and you start with where we are fire where inside my mountain mountain awfully swanky. Thank you vampire. Oh this is sort of my little l. Safe haven a place. I go what i don't have time to think about my scrawny mustache or how none of my students seemed to respect me who i respect you abacus. You've just called me by first name who we need to focus on. How we're we're getting out of here. Yours smart paula geist. Please don't say nice things to me. The study shook as more rebel seemed to pile l. a. topic okay okay. I admitted those four mountains we were carrying where each other's emotions not just some random strangers that would have been weird but but all my emotions fall right out of my neck. Oh could i help a mountain of well all those little emotional pebbles still end up in your backpack which which means they go there and he gestured outside of the study to wear the mountains where still falling there's some kind of magic thing we can use in here to teleport away over. This is all just make believe. I know i'm not perfect and i don't have a great h._p. Beard and i've got a lot of growing to do as a teacher but i've worked out those feelings and so i have this nice little study in the midst of a massive mountain of emotions that you just can't see right now you mean grownups have feelings too indeed. We do while good thing. I'm i am a ghost in i can pass through rocks and paula used her telekinesis to open the door to the study out donkey wrong but a ghostly boulder rolled right through the open door bowling toward allah donkey and at the last second brainless jumped tempt in front of the rolling grossly boulder. Oh who when the dust cleared there was brainless still into two pieces. Could someone please grab my head and paula floated the zombies head back over to him helping him up off the ground as abacus shut the door to the study again. Why would you do something like that. As zombie can't stop a ghost bowl dr boyd pink. Maybe those two mountains out there were my in yours and when i saw that little piece of mountain rolling toward just for your fears started looking a lot like by fierce reporter helpful at this is maybe you to become friends now. We won't not again. We used to be friends brainless but you let all of your feelings. Just slip out of your head so you forget again and again to. I know this is all very touching touching but i've never met a mountain. I couldn't burn through out. Just see you later and vampire open the study door again really bold thereafter boulder tried to pour into the study but vampire. Oh held a charcoal hand. The fingertips lit up like embers which chateaux five jets of torturing one boulder after another vampire. You might won't stop that. Don't worry mr grumbler. I can keep this poll day. I just have to stay a gurry. That's the the problem. An abacus finally put down the back back he'd been carrying all along and the flaming peak of mountain started pushing <music> out of the top of it. Oh that must be my backpack but i don't have any emotion komo cinders sch- with your anger which is a motion which you don't really deal with in a healthy men. I wanted to bring this up in a less deadly ideally yahoo but now there was a flaming mountain growing inside of the study as an avalanche of rocks and boulders still tried to pour in from outside. I hear a terrible teacher. At least i'm not angry all the time time. At least i don't forget all of my feelings. I allow myself to feel out how paula geist used her ghosts. Telekinesis powers to push against the boulders while vampire. Oh tried to burn them away but none of it seemed to work okay everybody. We're all afraid of getting crushed right. I'm a little afraid of that. <hes> by feelings can't crush us right. Only mountains can well lots of things other other than mountains but i think i see point. Are you saying we have to let ourselves feel our feelings. You believe they're not good even if we're embarrassed even if we feel things other than anger and the little ghost nodded they stood against the mountains together is closed fearing they could get crushed at any second bad teach. Nobody understands the everyone forgets. Everyone loves woah and after a minute abacus peaked open and i children. I doubt think we've been smushed. You're right and not smushed just know my head smashed here. Talking out of your head brainless of course it isn't smushed and as the four of them open their eyes four perfectly une crumbled unburnt mountain stood with the last rays of sunshine peeking between them finally handily you were supposed to be doing this all along. Unpack your feelings a few minutes every day. Every really children don't unpack their backpacks highly ever nope. Maybe if it's on fire this was a really misguided idea in the first place soon kinda. Oh absolutely the end well leyland bruno. I hope you enjoyed your story folks. At home. I just sent out my seasonal mailing to all of our fish. I night patrons and up if you'd like to receive your own seasonal swag and a handwritten note by me check us out at patriotair dot com slash what if world even joining the whatever level will get you a shout out on my show in a much better chance of getting your question answered i tweet at what if world pot and our facebook facebook and instagram is what world podcast i'd like to thank karen o'keefe my co-creator craig martinson var theme song my high school english teacher mr fuller solar and all you kids at home i know thinking and talking about feelings can be yellow strange at first but it's a lot healthier than carrying around that mountain on your back and until we meet again keep wondering.
Jonathan Berman Call All Earthlings
"Scene one apple take one One apple take to calling on. Earthlings is an interesting documentary inbound. George man who worked for howard hughes and then left his job to go out and live in the mojave desert there. He was supposedly contacted by an alien to build. The integra is at a time machine regeneration machine order portal perhaps or. Maybe it just doesn't do anything. I chatted with the film's producer and director about this project. Jonathan berman jonathan. I have to tell you that I mean even for my show. This one is kind of a stepping off the deep end. Just a little bit on this. We're great But it's an amazing story and it's definitely worth you know doping into a little bit What brought you to be involved in this project. Well i've always been a seeker of the spiritual and the unexplained and the mysterious and always felt a connection to potentially something beyond what you know like all the major religions we wonder. Who are we ready. We come from. And then i say this crazy picture of the dome In a book called the virtual landscape california and I was just transferring about life extension alien and it was two hours away from los angeles so i kept in my car. Went to go check out the integrity and kind of got run into the story. They my day which strikes you when you see the structure for the first time. What strikes me is A number of things one is. You know how looks like a victory. How it you know. Echoing kind of mid-century slow beyond that. Actually let's go back to late. Nineteenth century california the site of all these original retirees. It has that look Combined with kind of the archetype of the circle you know yes. It's just a piece of art. It's beautiful and circles a whole nother kind of patient meaning for people finnity. Yeah absolutely so. The story goes george van tassell. This guy was no dumb. He worked for howard hughes so he can't he kind of is a pretty fairly intelligent guy you know probably was you know one of the aviation pioneers and this was in forty seven and he literally quit his job and everything and moved out to the mojave desert and And then he gets visited has he says by ambien and he tells them to build the struck. What's your feeling on this. And i guess you probably dealt with it in documentary but i had to take a little bit of a leap of faith in two to go ahead and do this document. Scheepers do a documentary about a murderer in you have to believe in murder. That's true so i wouldn't say i'm just a reporter cop out i'm not a report but I m know that through history people have been called and he knew that which grew up in a intensely christian background midwest revivals singing kind of stuff. I he's contact with a being named so kanda In the early fifties it was one of many that was occurring at the time among a number of people. The wisdom of the time was that we messed it up with the atom bomb. We don't know what we're doing and we're going to sell a whole universe that your show is about sci-fi so i'm i'm sure you've heard this refrain before so i don't see it as any crazier than anyone from the bible. Yeah i guess you could certainly make that case you know so I mean he was a character. There's no doubt that. Oh yeah we have no information on the personality of those. That's true we don't maybe we your documentary. I guess part of the reason is there. Any of the van tassell still living or or they. Oh god that's a good question. There's one daughter that i know you know i guess understandably having grown up with your dad being space context he. She just doesn't want to deal with it. I can understand now so yeah there was one. Interestingly enough Two of his daughters married type of yoga. Nada interesting on daniel. Boone is in the film. The military came back and became a young yoga nausea. They were both told to go to find the man in the desert. A yoga himself when he was one of the first to come from the east to Modern you know the twentieth century. America so they went to the desert and their car broke down and they found tasso so and married his daughters and help them build a dome and then we'll show the dome is kind of a modern day arc so he had a word play with the arc. Of course the the bible and then white arkansas you because it actually uses some of the technology that That nickel nikolai tesla was working. He was praying with the some anti fired by tesla kofsky lot lesser known. Van tesla tesla. Obviously we know was a genius. How does not as well But but Conflict was interested in Vibrating ourselves you know using a wide spectrum of frequency to vibrate ourselves to rejuvenate ourselves so the dome was a machine that was going to spin around. You're going to walk through. It was gonna rich ubani which is a time machine. Was you know why you to another place like you might see a lot of five five but reverse or a place of of moving of time in a way Interesting so just talking about some of the people. You've interviewed for your documentary. Yeah we we really you know. I kind of always tried to go for the story. I and i'm empathetic everybody's perspective So what interests me about. The dome is that it's like this place where people put their own meaning onto it. It never was turned on right Because fantastic is mysteriously there any other way to die when you're about to turn on a machine to act essentially at the time So some of the people we met or burden the famous rockstar. From the animals and eric has his own story of the dome and and kind of escaping. La in a way One of the interesting things is that goes from the fifties to the to the late seventies creative tremendous upheaval in this country and People like man running around california. Yeah that's so for burden. It was a way to escape. Los angeles i think constantly for george itself. He was a union guy. You know Supporting a family in the city. Light solution other pollution's city but juanita out or there's another version of the story. Which is that. He was called by us to go to the try harper harper dry lake. That had worked for howard you So yeah we met a lot of people We've at charlotte lynch chinaware She channel the voice georgia town little himself. so who will we nativity clinton. He's a local. Is this dj supportive. I think one of the secrets you could say of of building that how someone's meaning for so many people Is that a forms community. And i think that's important So i'm with today's technology. Could we possibly turn this thing on now and and see what happens I don't know the answer to that. I think i gotta be honest with you. I'm so maker storyteller right. I would hope that the people to john purchased by This wonderful Set of sisters and it now and they do these sound outs. Which are all the rage in california now and it's using the sound healing found ways to relax he'll people. I'm hoping the ladies have something up their sleeve. The last time they were surprised to get ready was when you house came and visited the california. Pbs legends became really popular after that. And now they have another wave for the film which is coming out of the way on. I tunes off on the twenty eighth of august. We're really excited about that tonight. So new york city up and then onto screens everywhere. Twenty eighth of august. And i'm hoping that the ladies every ladies than maybe they're going to turn it on again. Maybe they have something up their sleeve or turn on for the first time. But they're you know there's some issue And i'm sure your documentary goes into detail on what they are. you know. There's great risk in doing this kind of you know about passwords direct current versus alternate current. Yeah there was gonna be sparked out whatever tremendous energy for sir. There was here that are cap. Could blow out the entire power structure of the west so you you wonder why Thirty might have been interested in georgia. Yeah course stay tuned for more of the sci-fi talk indie film podcast back with more on genre film. Making on the sci fi. Talk indie podcast. Say one apple. Take to what kind of schedule you have. How long did you actually a film there. And i i would think you had access to film in the structure itself. Yeah the The owners are the students of the dollar. Very very good about So you know you've heard of expression in bed. Yeah with one of our more recent So i pretty much embedded better myself in joshua tree. Oh is pretty cool place to imbed and just took up living there and we'd wake up and have our coffee and we go the things we find people. I was driving my camera. Crew crazy by the way the their obeys our cameras and Because it didn't necessarily have a schedule. Sometimes it was just you know Have you ever lived in small town. America heart. I actually use in new mexico. I lived in a small town and Yeah there was some actually ufo activity going out there going on there. Was it roswell not roswell no. I've been to roswell and nothing nothing occurred. We were there but It there's just you know there's just stretches and stretches where there's nothing and If you are from another planet wanna go undetected. That's a good place to go so But a sure. But i mean a few people will say you but it's kinda hard it's a hard sell to to prove the existence of it so there's a few things that were little ordinary and I did you know i. I don't know it's i saw things. I couldn't identifies technically. That's a ufo. I whether it's another planet that i'm with you actually and it's so funny because i don't even think i've seen anything until like last month. I went to festival in downtown los angeles exposure. So sweet outsource all these people were pointing this guy right and uh like you know what do you call it. Like crowds belief The second into this. And then i like what are you looking at. She points up. And i saw something. And i do with you i would it was. It was odd. Who who knows you know. I think you've got to ask. The question is Like many questions as possible in this bill When i think of small town america up. I think a lot of one of the things i think is community and word of mouth. Yes so we talked to one person. Say charlotte she's like. Oh well you gotta go talk about fencing. You know you know. We talked about them. At the georgia buddy. Principal element is kind of American role of religion here. Yeah so would you say because of because of this the of the dome that It might have turned into a little bit of an urban legend. A little bit. I mean Or were i mean it goes beyond the country's because obviously there's there's believer has of and seekers of of activity of the city the country. So would you say that. It's kind of more than two urban legend. You know kind of kind of thing. I mean i. I the filmmaker on a storyteller. I really just want to work with communities to tell their stories though. That's one of the things i love about. This story is that you could ask five people the same question to get five different answers. There's this russia not affect The the legend growth and there's also the cumulative effect right one person's over part of the story talking stick to the next person you know yeah mean people rupp to graft on whatever they got some people are also take out of this film going whatever they want a bit of worship Do you think he'll spur. Maybe more investigations out there. I hope so. Yeah you know. I feel like this george was first of all. I hope i would encourage the tinkerer you know. We have access to kind of endless plain civic material and all that and they'd be america can become a great tinkerer society again. I mean i. I mean georgia's part of that movement. You onto some stuff you know pulling together from alleged alien direction with the work of a look healthy as looking at wave found like that as a because we know that sound can be powerful. I can use row rebel. Ems do all kinds of good thing. Yeah sure sure okay. I mean we've seen recently in a few countries what they can do. It's the cutest thing is. Yeah absolutely so yeah. I don't ever true disproven when we were another. Yeah i i mean it was definitely sound related. They did determine that but what exactly caused did. They don't know so. Yeah it's really weird but you know it was sound is Can be used as a weapon and in has been so i under- heal and to heal. Yeah absolutely there's some sonics no not that not that. Not that often debate. So there's some there's some I mean that's the thing about every any kind of thing like this. There's some basis in fact. The separate is being total fans you know and that's the problem too. Yeah sure sure. We're you know the general ally ever public. sure sure. Yeah neither am. I so i you know i. I know profess to be so. I've always had an interest but it's just not my thing but but i'm always curious about anything and my podcast ask the question. What so. that's great. That really think of anyone who wanted to know is a message of the film. I you know. I'm a believer that. If you want to send messages to the telegram i think you know empowering people ask what if is a great question i guess what i was alluding to before with this Unprecedented access to real science on the internet and not to the sign you cut out take take it take what do a whole nother direction. The challenges that writing out your sources. Yeah yeah. I mean it'd be cool. If you know some scientists got involved into looking at what's going on out there and you know just kind of go into it with open mind you know. Use the scientific method to see what it is. And that would be great and that would be the sequel So will you know one of the things that we are to you. And i are maybe not grew up in you know in the post cold war baby boom era. Yeah i'm a. I'm a boomer. Yeah me too. i'm boom here and we're influence. you know. A whole country radically influenced soviet empire. Oh absolutely sylvia's were very headed these kind of forward thinking science yes Let's say Sir substantive that could make people starter. Faster fell in love. God is a net flicks now about about the soviets doping program who you know understanding that some of these programs They have quasi related to funding or guidance. Whatever for the military The us government were up against russia like an operation paper clip. You know Like what do we do with these genius scientists. They came from germany. Or are they gonna go to the to the soviet empire they going to go to. Yeah yeah so their own. Been interested in stuff that might seem a little fringy in effort to get that edge. Sure have yeah the an olympic score or in Here science basic versions. Well yeah as base race was very real. Remember living through that. Unfortunately it took something like that for us to do it but now without a race. It's kind of like what are you thinking of well. The whole apollo missions and getting to the moon. I right that was really the race. I mean they did not want a russian flag to be the first one on the rue so And maybe right. So you're talking about when you bricks. Filmed it or well. Yeah he Yeah his his trip to something else. And not only that. But jupiter to that movie was out there but but yeah had interest which are you talking about two thousand one Okay yeah i'm done gave out the rumors of kubrick having shot the folks. This is real you know. Oh really the moon landing for that right. Yeah i've heard that but Yeah i. I don't believe that at all. I don't believe it either but it's a good story and it's a good story and even made a movie about that going on. I think it was actually mars called capricorn one about a fake landing there that i remember seeing local theater. When i was a child i was an interesting idea but but yeah it's Yeah i think we went there. And i'm sure the flag is still there and the plaque uncommon common To be common foolish Oh yes absolutely couldn't agree more. It's easy to be a scoff. Oh absolutely absolute- core randy amazing randi. Yeah there you go might have been right the case. We don't know You know people were scoffing A few months ago now see that there's a lake on march that's right that's right and they were saying. Oh there's no order wrong. What is always happening. I think that's how for maybe didn't have technical skills. Maybe we didn't have I think that he's only now That the wireless transmission of energy. That tesla talking about is becoming more realized. Yeah so sometimes. The ideas withdrawing off the dick tracy watch. Oh conferencing system. Yeah years ago and now we have out if we want. Yeah and even even the bill telephone. Call two thousand one. We have skype. It's it's a lot cheaper than what they what they showed in the movie. But but yeah it's still It's still you know there's a lot of things that we thought would never happen have happened and certainly the internet caught everybody but nobody ever any member of being on the early into something with open. It was open again more. The artist side am to hospital had a touch artist in him. Yeah sounds like vision in the future. So the movie I said it's gonna be available later in the month on i tunes and Is it coming to netflix or amazon. As well that would be later. And i assume that one of your good services will will pick up the film It's actually available right now on a pre by just yesterday the there you go there if you cannot wait to get on your right to provide calling earthling yeah trip. I mean it is true. So i remember to work up so you you feel pretty good about the film. The finished product you use. Did you accomplish what you set out to do. And it's always shocking as a documentary. Filmmaker you right out these proposals and you're like oh my god. It's a right something to get this grants or whatever it is and then you move into the writing two years later you throw out the writing. 'cause could number of years to really think through. I'll you pull out the writing you're like. Yeah yeah we do that. That's good you know. And i would feel like we've been getting You know wide range of reaction. Sure i would have wanted any other way. Mostly very positive can't wait for people to have new york city tonight so last screening is this the. Yeah it's quite a tale And if you're gonna go out to the desert you should Please call them events or make a reservation. If you're gonna go to around the dome as a beautiful magical race. Yeah but as you know. 'cause he lives in wearing. I lived in a small town. Cope hub which is about two hours from lubbock texas. Okay i lived right near the border so the only good thing about that is you could celebrate. New year's twice can go into you can celebrate new mexico crossed. The border detecting just gained an hour. Because you were on on central and then you can celebrate it again so that was any with the high desert mojave where the integral tron is that. It's a magical there. Yeah yeah georgia task for new. That think crates are who died under the giant rock knew that and howard robot using self where they all live. Yeah no doubt about it. There's something to it or something to that area. That's no question. Well thanks again. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me. You know it's a fascinating idea and Internally one that people should approach with an open mind and just see it and then kind of make their own conclusion or right. Thank you so much down. Thank you all right. never calling. Earthlings is now available for rental and to buy and look for in your city at local theaters. We didn't get to a lot of answers in his podcast. Just a lot more questions and intriguing case for sure and definitely go into it with an open mind. Science should definitely look into this and leave your comments or questions on this or any other my podcast or anything in general at speak pipe dot com forward slash. sifi rant. All you really need is a webcam microphone to do it. Thanks for joining me. This has been tony to lotto. Take care hi. i'm george decay. And i listened to sci-fi talk.
Jussie Smollett Is Arrested for Allegedly Staging His Own Assault | Chris Kelly & Sarah Schneider
"The you're listening to comedy central. Twenty two thousand nine hundred. From comedy central's world news headquarters in New York. This is the daily show with Trevor Noah, here's the. I. Thank you. And thank you for tuning. And i'm. Guest tonight, our guest tonight, the creators of comedy central's, hit new show called the other two Chris Kelly, and Sarah Schneider. Joining us everybody. Fun show. That's getting great reviews. We got him chatting about that. Also on the show. Google is secretly listening to you the series finale of Jesse Sma lattes and ROY junior as back with another CPA time. But first, let's catch up on today's headlines. I up some breaking news about something that thank God didn't happen. The US Coast Guard Lieutenant is under arrest tonight. Investigators say he was planning a major attack on innocent civilians, and that he had a hit list of prominent names. According to the FBI has an stockpiled these weapons, including one thousand bullets handguns and assault rifles. Investigators say they found this hit list on Hassans computer containing names of prominent Democrats as well as a number of twenty twenty democratic candidates the list also containing the names of several journalists from CNN and MSNBC roughly a month before his arrest has in Google topics, including our supreme court justices protected where do most senators live in DC and civil war if Trump and peach d-, holy shits. Is one of the scariest stories of twenty nine team? And it's a reminder that this current political climate is going to drive people to do crazy things crazy people, but still gonna do crazy things. It's also a reminder that your search history will screw you over every time. Yeah. That's why. When I started something in barreling. I made sure to throw them off the trail. You know, I'll be like where can my friend by mail spanks? That's how I do it. I'll be like all weird poop not mind. Go. Honestly, I think the internet is just made killer soft. You know, Jack, the ripper didn't have Google. No. He had to go to the knife store and talk to a person, what do you recommend to cut up a prostitute size? Dea? Moving on climate change for two years Americans have been begging President Trump and his administration to take it seriously just take climate change seriously. And yesterday, the White House finally announced that it will create a special panel to do the opposites climate change skeptic will lead a White House pal to examine climate change. The Washington Post reports proposed commission will be led by this man. William hamper. He's on the national Security Council, and he believes that carbon emissions linked to climate change should be viewed as an acid rather than a pollutant. And that's not all listen to this. The demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler dioxide is actually a benefit to the world and fell were the Jews. I'm sorry. What? Trump is trolling us. Right. This coffee real. How is this guy on earth much less leading her White House climate change panel? He just said that going off the climate dioxide is the same as Hitler going after the Jews, and he said it with a straight face. At least I think it was a straight face. It's to tell since. His face looks like he removed his own skin. And then try to put it back on really quickly. I don't even know what's going on there only. The Trump administration would find a guy who is pro carbon dioxide to lead a climate change panel. Like who else is on this panel fussing Cowan actual oil. Spill get outta here. Man. Moving onto something news. If you're tired of your old phone and also of having money. Some some has some good news for you Samson look into take on apple by unveiling a new line of galaxy smartphones does out grain electronics giant says the galaxy polled will sell for one thousand nine hundred eighty dollars when it's released April twenty six the device looks like a regular smartphone. But then opens to reveal a seven point three inch display. Okay. I don't know about you guys. But I am excited about this. Yeah. Because you realize now we can finally be dramatic when we're hanging up when people be like. Oh, yeah. That's how it used to be with landlines you kids. Don't remember. But that was the greatest thing about old phones. You remember that remember that you end the call with somebody you could shit on them be like, screw, yo. Oh. The person could feel it in the air. Today's foes don't have the same satisfaction. You more worried about the phone being hurts you. Oh you. Mazing? Although I do think tech companies need to decide if they want phones should be big or small because remember the first mobile phones would giant right? And then they got smaller, and then they got smaller, and they were like super thin. And then they're like no now, we need to pick up and big. And now, it's tablet and now unfolds into a big let's and now like next thing, you know, people just gonna be walking around with TV's as you. And then it's going to swing back the other way and are going to get so tiny just gonna like little tight than your swallowed by mistake. Oh, hello. Hello. Oh, Enslinn the world of technology. We're learning about technology that's coming suit. And now we're going to learn about technology that we didn't know we already had some other news hitting home tonight involved in Google nest. Secure home security system turns out it has a hidden microphone which can be used to access other Google devices, but Google never told anyone about it. The company tells business insider of Mike was never intended to be a secret and should have been disclosed tech companies have gotten really good at making sincere apologies for shit. They knew a sinister when they did it in hindsight policy of stealing your DNA to make sex. Clones for Saudi sheikhs should have been disclosed earlier. We we really should have told you. Yeah. I wish I had done this every time I got caught shoplifting as a kid. Just Mr. I recognize now that I shouldn't have had this candy in my pocket without paying and going forward. We've out to give more attention to this issue. These chips I recognize now that. Such bullshit. They know what they're doing. What's crazy about all of? This is the only reason tech companies are spying on us is just to get better at advertising. That's the only reason they've been doing it. But somehow the advertising isn't improving at all. I don't know about you. But I'm always seeing ads for stuff that I don't need. See ads on my Instagram for lawnmower and live in New York City, right? See an ad for like a baby stroller. I don't need that. I'm a big boy. The worst the worst for me. It's always get these ads for penis enlargement creams, and I don't need that. Okay. I need a Jonah shrink cream. Why am I the one of the problem? It's the most Oeser tiny. Move onto today's top story. Jussie smollet. A month ago? Few people knew who he was if you heard jussie smollet s- either talking to a huge fan of the show empire. Oh, you overheard a drunk. I trying to order omelets. What will you be having, sir? Josh I smell yet. Extra. But now the whole world knows jesse's name, and it's for all the wrong reasons empire actor Jesse smell at is in police custody after turning himself in overnight. He is accused of faking I hate crime after his story of being attacked by racists fell to pieces small that has been charged with disorderly conduct for filing a false place report, which is a felony in the state of Illinois police small plan this attack because he was allegedly upset by how much he was being paid by the show empire. Are you kidding me? This dude may have faked a hate crime just to get a race. I don't know. What's the logic? There. You get your ass beat. And then you go to your boss and be like, hey, can I get another million dollars needed by some mandates? What what was the thinking? Not a good way to get a raise people. I mean, call me old fashioned. But whatever happened to just going into your buses office and blackmailing him with nudes. Such a reason to pull off such a major crime imagine if we found out the reason to puck faked his own death was just to get out of the blockbuster late fee. That would be insane. We know that didn't happen. What really happened was to puck was murdered by blockbuster. Because he didn't return come those guys didn't mess around. So Chicago police have put together story of what they believe really happened there confidence enough to charge Smuts the reason they confident to charge them because it looks like just the end the brothers who reportedly fake the attack with him left. No shortage of incriminating evidence police say they track these two brothers down via the rideshare car service that they use. We know that the police have the cell phones of the young men there were conversations between smollet and these two Nigerian Americans an hour before the tack and our after the attack, and when they traveled to Nigeria police say small, let paid the brothers a total of thirty five hundred dollars via check and then promised a five hundred dollar follow up there saying he paid accomplices with a check. What did he also right fake hate crime in the memo? Even amateurs, no, if you commit a crime, you go all cash people no paper trail, you've noticed a movie where the bad guys are like I need you to get rid of someone for me. Now, do I make this checked out to is that knuckles K? Crap. I gotta start again, I keep reading twenty eighteen on all my murder checks. So if you did do this Sma, let's did a horrible job with this fake crime. In fact, Chicago police also claimed today that small wanted his hate crimes should be caught on camera. But it turns out that didn't go right either. Police say that went over security video from dozens of pod cameras, but the stage attack itself was never captured by rotating security camera believe that mister Smith wanted on camera. But unfortunately, that particular Cameron wasn't pointed in that way. You've gotta be shitting me. He wanted to be caught. But he didn't get caught on camera because he didn't know which way the camera was pointing you're an actor. That's your only job. Job. No now, I'm starting to think that jussie was probably on the set of empire. Like what my father doesn't. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Whereas what? Don't do me about kooky. We've got this. Can I get a raise raise now? So Jesse is potentially going to prison for a while. And his wake he has screwed over everyone. Think about it. Members of the gay community are emotionally terrorized over something that turned out to be a hoax. Trump supporters are upset about being falsely accused and democrat candidates democratic candidates are tying themselves into knots. Trying to walk back their initial statements calling this a modern day lynching. Nobody wanted this thing. I mean, the only winner here really is is subway. Yeah. Because before the story, I didn't know that they were open at two AM you guys. I didn't know that. I genuinely didn't know that. The point is. Nobody one there is a silver lining. When the started out. It was a story about people who hate to Jesse smollet because he was black and gay. But now people hate him because he's an asshole. In other words, they're judging him on the contents of his character and not the color of his skin and that my friends Cobra. We'll be right back. It's February which means it's black history month, and we're celebrating all month with ROY wood junior and time. Welcome to see p time the only show, that's the culture today. We'll discuss betrayal Brutus Caesar to pockets should neck and most memorably the Verizon guy going to spread the trail is a subject. Black Americans familiar with for centuries, America's enemies have tried to recruit us against own country in times of war. It's a devious tech much like how peer turn my wife against me by telling her stories of infidelity. Plus had those lower pill Vic muscles that go right to the actions on. A never stood a chance. Turn black Americans against America is old as America itself during the revolution. The British told American slaves that if they fought for the empire, they could have freedom and land after the wall, and when you sleeve, those are the most valuable offers, you can get it goes freedom land and bid Bev and beyond. Is from nineteen eighty three. Still google. The first British official to make this offer was the governor of Virginia Lord done more his concept of free in slaves was radical. But then again done Moorhead a lot of radical ideas like wearing knee-high Argyle socks look at that man is out there in seventeen seventy five looking like under three thousand. Even have to slavery, and America's enemies kept trying to recruit black full doing war one. The Germans propaganda leads to black soldiers trying to persuade them to leave America and fight for Germany. Here's what they wrote. Do you? Enjoy the same rights as vite people doing the Mataca or out. You has cheated over says second-class heat. I. That you didn't know spoke fluent German. But the Germans couldn't convince people to go to Germany, which is probably thought this black people would not have done well in the Hitler because we couldn't have helped out sales from Rolston his as I mean, look at them look hitter third appeal. I didn't know you could get a Brazilian on your face. Like you went down on a magic marker. Boy, you should kill yourself. Even America's enemies today. Tried to recruit black people after the riots and Ferguson, Missouri. Isis offered to send over soldiers to fight for black people if we joined their caliphate. A lot of you for moment. The offer from ISIS was tipped. But then I remembered there's no pork and Islam while America has its problems of miracle makes good ass. Yes. She does damn right. She. But. That's all the time. We have for today. I'm good with junior. Mrs been CPT remember for the coach. And ribs. Spicer. What would you never want? We'll be right back. David guest, co creators and co writes of the critically acclaimed comedy central series, the other two welcome. Chris Kellyanne, Sarah Snyder. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Thanks for having an congratulations on your new show. It's got some great reviews, which is not easy to do. I think it sitting at ninety three percents on rotten tomatoes, which. Thank you know. I check every single. Thank you so much, but but rigging has reviews and the show for those who haven't seen. It is is a story of siblings who have a younger sibling who is becomes internet famous overnight and just becomes famous famous. Yes. Right. How do you? How do you begin to write the story that really feels like it's based completely on real life? Well, in terms of like, the YouTube world, we spent a lot of long days diving deep into like true YouTubers their videos, look like and what their trajectory looks like. And all the different personas they've occupied because they become stars. Right. Yeah. Totally some of them. They become like moguls. You know, what's interesting about the show. Is it touches on the idea of the disconnect between the old fame people and new fame, which is happening in real life. There's only people like on TV where like, oh, those internet kids and the kids are like I make five million dollars. That's crazy is the older characters on our show are only twenty eight and thirty which is not all right. Then compared to thirteen year old who's like, I may billionaire out of nowhere. Yeah. One hundred. So that was sort of that was interesting to us that you can feel very old and washed up, even if that's not true. Right. I you know, what I what I liked about the show is the story of how you guys put this thing together because the two of you wrote together on SNL, and you wrote many of the sketches that people love. And obviously the ones Donald Trump hates as well. You actually the first openly gay head writer of SNL. Oh, yes. Like, I just did you. Panic and your eyes. Tell people that I'm sorry. My wife is back. No, yes. Yes. About this story. Fun about this story is true man's fan. Is you have this character in the show, and it is like writing offensively for game? It's like zero typical. It's as funny as he would be it's funny as the story would be it was that something that you enjoy doing like, do you infuse yourself into the character, logistics dances? Yeah. We talked a lot about that in the writer's room because we had a lot of gay and queer writers in the writer's room. Bright, basically, the premise is that these older siblings are going to seem like they're just jealous their little brother, but we more like that it really stirred up shit for them. And so they have to deal with real grounded things, even though it's a comedy. Yes. And carried the main character dealing with his sexuality in a very real way being forced to deal with it and being forced to be comfortable in his own skin. When he maybe isn't because of his little brother was. Yeah. Yeah. Like, how this is a story that focuses less on how somebody changes how life changes because of fame and more about how their fame affects everybody in their lives. You is an interesting angle that you don't really get see because people forget like you might become famous. But then people around you are affected by that fame total we set out to write a family show at its core. That's those are the stories we wanted to tell and the fame is kind of just the catalyst for like critising all the stuff that they deal with. But we've think the premise definitely makes it feel like it could just be like only talking about the fame and only like a pop culture is tired. But that's just kind of like the umbrella. We like to play with putting up this family up. Again. Why did you make the show? Nice. No, no. Because this is something I genuinely enjoy it. I thought oh this is going to be like one of those cynical shows where like the oldest siblings shitting on him and his YouTube will. But it's actually a great show where it's like, no, it's a family when they love the little brother, but the Genesis of his fame, but not him. You know, they they go we still love you. It's just weird that you became famous before us. They're also actors they're also trying to become famous like why did you choose to create it in that way? It's not a cynical show. We did talk about that. Because we thought that would have been easier way or the way you would expect in. So we'd like that they genuinely loved their little brother, and they were jealous of him. But they're also worried about him, and they're terrified of what the industry is going to do to him. So we like that the kid isn't the villain, but the like entertainment industry the machine around him is sort of the villain. Right. I don't know. And in some ways, it's tougher to be lapped by someone you love. Yeah. If you didn't ready to mom write them off. And you're like, well, they were an asshole to me something really care. But if it's someone that you love and respect on our happening happy, it's like tougher in. One of my one of my favorites lines that you guys found a way to put it in the show was the mine where the younger brother says this has been such a tough journey for me as such a long journey. I've been doing this for eight months. And you realize how relative time is depending on what you're doing. But but you got a lot of those lines and those feelings from real life. Yeah. Well case Walker who plays the kid chase his their names are very close which accident. It was case walkers first odd in ever, and he booked it. And when we met him, I mean, he's so great. And when we met him he was talking about how he'd been working at this for a while. And he was excited to the show. And he was like, yeah. When I started doing music stuff like six months ago, and we both were like six months ago. And he's like a lifetime. Surely, it's a lifetime. The shows during ready while you've already got picked up for second season. So on that. I'm excited to see where it goes. Thank you so much for being on the show. The all the two as Thursdays at ten thirty pm on comedy central. You really gonna love it. Chris Kelly Sarah night, everybody. Daily show cover Noah. Here's a digital watch the show, weeknights at eleven ten central on comedy, central and the comedy central watchable episodes and videos at the daily show dot com. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and subscribe to the show on YouTube, exclusive, content and move. This has been a comedy central podcast.
Thanksgiving Marathon: Sci-Fi Talk Indie : Jonathan Berman Calling All Earthlings
"Scene one apple take one scene one apple take to sf t. Indy is my independent. John refill. I'd cast besides featuring those independent films also has independent documentaries including calling all earth links with jonathan berman. The writer and direct calling all earthlings is an interesting documentary. Inbound george van tassell who worked for howard hughes and then left his job to go out and live in the mojave desert there. He was supposedly contact by an alien to build. The integra tron is at a time machine regeneration machine or a portal. Perhaps or maybe. It just doesn't do anything. I chatted with the film's producer and director about this project. Jonathan berman jonathan. I have to tell you that. I mean even for my show. This one is kind of stepping off the deep end just a little bit on this great But it's an amazing story and it's definitely worth you know doping into a little bit What brought you to be involved in this project. Well i've always been a seeker. Of the virtual the unexplained the mysterious and always felt a connection to potentially something. Beyond what it you know. Like all the major religions we wonder who are we where we come from. And then i this crazy picture of the dome In a book called the virtual landscape california and I was just tramps life extension alien and it was two hours away from angeles so i kept in my car and went to go. Check out the integrity kind of got run into the story. They my day. What strikes you when you see the structure for the first time. What strikes me is A number of things one. Is you know how it looks like a server. Truly how echoing kind of mid-century beyond that actually go back to the late nineteenth century california the site of all these original stories. The it has that look combined with kind of the archetype of circle. You know it's just a piece of heart it's beautiful and Circles another kind of tation meaning for people vanity Yeah absolutely so. The story goes at george mantar slow. I mean this guy was no dumb. He worked for howard hughes so he can't he kind of is a pretty fairly intelligent guy. You know probably was you know one of the aviation pioneers. And this was in forty seven and he literally quit his job and everything and moved out to the mojave desert and and then he gets visited has he says by ambient and it tells them to build the structure. What's your feeling on this. And i guess you copy with it into documentary but i i guess you had to take a little bit of a leap of faith in this to to go ahead and do this document scheepers to do a documentary about a murderer murder. That's true so. I wouldn't sam jump reporter out. I'm not a reported that i Know that through history people have been called. The church grew up in intensely a christian background midwest revivals singing and that kind of stuff i would contact with being named so gonda In the early fifties it was one of many that was occurring time among a number of people. The wisdom of the time was that we messed it up with the atom bomb. We don't know what we're doing. And we're gonna fill up the whole universe. Your show is about sci-fi so. I'm i'm sure you've heard this refrain before so i don't see it as any crazier than anyone from the bible. Yeah i guess you could certainly make that case so I mean he was a character about that. Oh we have no information on the personality of. that's true we don't maybe your documentary. I guess part of the reason is there. Any of the van tassell still living or or they. Oh that's a good question. There's one sort or that. I know you know i guess understandably having grown up with your dad being face contact. He just wanted with ours. I now so yeah. There was one. Interestingly enough Two daughters. Mary disciples of yoga. Nada interesting daniel. Boone is in the film. The military came back and became a young yoga nausea. They were both to go to find the man in the desert a yogi audience self. When he was the first to come from the east to a modern twentieth century america over they went to the desert and their car broke down and they found yours tasso and married his daughters and help them build the dome and then we'll show. The dome is kind of a modern day. You know arc so he had a word play with arc of you know the bible and arkansas white. Arkansas yeah yeah because it actually uses some of the technology that That nickel nikola tesla was working. He was praying with and inspired by tesla and kofsky. who's a lot lesser known than tesla. and tesla obviously we know was genius. How does not this as well But competency was interested in Vibrating ourselves you know using a wide spectrum of frequencies to vibrate ourselves to rejuvenate ourselves so the dome was a machine that was going to spin around. You're going to walk through it. It was gonna ritu. Which is a time machine. Was you know gonna fly you in other places like you might see a lot of five of us but reverse or a place of of moving time in a way Interesting so just talk about some of the people you've interviewed for your documen. We we really you know. I kind of always tried to go for the story. I and i'm empathetic everybody's perspective What interests me about dome is that it's like this place where people put their own meaning onto it. It never was turned on Because fantastic seriously. Is there any other way to die when you're about to turn on the machine. Eventually at the time she So some of the people we met our burden the famous rockstar from the animals. Right and eric has its own story of the dome and kind of escaping in a way you know one of the interesting things is that it goes from the fifties to the to the late seventies of tremendous upheaval. This country and People like a man's running around california. Yeah that's so far burden. It was a way to escape. Los angeles and i think possibly for georgia and south. He was a union guy. You know Supporting a family in the city. Light pollution other pollution's city problems. He wanted out or there's another version of the story. Which is that. He was called used go to the dry harper harper. Try up lake that you'd worked for howard you yeah So yeah we met a lot of people and we met charlotte lynch channel or channels voice of georgia. Tassell himself so Who else we matilde clinton he's local. Is this a dj supportive. I think one of the cla- secrets you could say of of building that how the someone's meaning for so many people is that a forms community and i think that's important so with today's technology could we possibly turn this thing on now and and see what happens so to speak I don't know the answer to that. I think i gotta be honest with you. i'm so maker and storyteller I would hope that the people who john was purchased by this wonderful Set of sisters anna and they run it now and they do these sound outlets are all the rage in california right now and it's using the sound healing found ways to relax people. I'm hoping the ladies have something up their sleeve. You know the last time They were surprised to get ready. Was when you houser came and visited. You'll house the california. Pbs legend don't became really popular after that and now they have another way for the film which is coming out of the way on i tunes and health on the twenty eighth of august. We're really excited about that. So that new york city and then onto screens everywhere on the twentieth of august. And i am hoping that the ladies ladies and maybe they're gonna turn it on again. Maybe they have something up their sleeve or turn on for the first time. You know there's some issue And i'm sure your documentary goes into detail on what they are. you know. There's great risk in doing this kind of you know well. Direct current versus alternate current. Yeah there was going to be a sparked out whatever tremendous energy force there. There was a fear that are cap could more out entire power structure of the west. So new that you you wonder. Why the authority might have been interested in old georgians work. Yeah course tuned for more of the sci-fi talk indie film. Podcasts back with more on john refill making on the scifi. Talk indie podcast. Say one apple take to what kind of filming schedule you have. How long did you actually film there. And i would think you had access to film in the structure itself. yeah owners. Are the students very very good about that. So you know you've heard of this expression in bed. Yeah came about one of our more. Recent horse So i pretty much embedded myself in joshua tree. Yeah pretty cool place. Because he's too embarrassed and just took up living there and we wake up and have our coffee and he goes you find people. I was driving my camera crew crazy by the way and they were they were obeys our cameras house and Because i didn't necessarily have a schedule of times it was just you know Have you ever lived in a small town america. I have actually yes new mexico. I lived in a small town and Yeah there was some actually some ufo activity going out there going on there. Will it roswell not roswell no. I've been to roswell aright and nothing nothing occurred. We were there but If there's just there's just stretches and stretches where there's nothing and if you are another planet when i go undetected that's a good place to go so sure but i mean a few people will say you but it's kinda hard it's a hard sell to to prove the existence of it so there's a few things that were out of the ordinary and I you know i. i don't know it's i. I saw things. I couldn't identify so technically. That's a ufo whether it's another planet who knows. I'm with you actually. it's so funny. 'cause i don't even think i've seen anything until like last month. I went through a festival in downtown los angeles cult exposure. So sweet outsource after all these people were pointing this guy right and I was like oh no you know what do you call it like crowds beliefs like The fuck me into this and look what are you looking at. She points. And i saw something and i do with you. I doubt what it was but it was odd. Who who knows you know. I i think you gotta ask the question Like many questions as possible in this bill when i think of small town verka I think a of things. One of the things i think is community and the word of mouth yes so we talked to one person say shoreline. And she's like. Oh you gotta go talk about fencing. You know You know yeah. We talked about pets. george buddy. Printing element is kind of American rural of religion. Yeah there's more of the sf t marathon so stay tuned. would you say because of Because of this you know of the dome that It might have turned into a little bit of an urban legends. A little bit. I mean Are rule regine. I mean it goes beyond the country's because obviously there's there's help relievers hands seekers are of a kind of activity of the city. The country everywhere. What was your pushing. So would you say that. It's kind of more into an urban legend. You know kind of kind of thing. I mean i. The filmmaker a storyteller. I really just want to work with communities tell their stories. So that's one of the things i love about. This story is that you could ask five. People the same question to get five different answered. There's this russian out fact and the reggie growth and there's also the cumulative cumulative effect right one person's story talking stick to the next person you know yeah absolutely i mean if people rupp to graft on whatever they got people also take out of this film. I'm going do whatever they want. A bit of a rohrschack Do you think he'll spur. Maybe more investigations out there. I hope so. Yeah you know. I feel like this is george was Personal i hope i would encourage the tinkerers gas now that we have access to kind of endless plain civic material and all that maybe america can become a great tinkerer society. Maybe not georgia's part of that movement. And i think he was. Awesome court stuff you know pulling together some alleged alien direction with the work away coffee as looking at wave. Sound like that found hewitt because we know that sound can be powerful. I can you know rebel. Ems do all kinds of good and bad thing. Yeah sure sure can. I mean we've seen recently in a few countries what they can do it sam so thing. Yeah absolutely so yeah. I don't live with their disproven when we're in other. Yeah i i mean it was definitely sound related. They did determine that but what exactly caused it. They don't so. Yeah it's really weird but you know sound is can be used as a weapon and And has been so. I heal and to you. I mean yeah absolutely. There's some sun no not that not that not that off the deep end. So there's some there's some I mean that's the thing about every any kind of thing like this. There's some basis in fact. The separator is being a total fan in know. And that's the problem too. Yeah sure sure. We're you know the general public. I don't just cheer sure. Yeah neither my so. I you know i know profess to be so i've always had an interest but it's just not my thing but But i'm always curious about anything and my podcast. Ask the question what it so. That's great that really. I think if anyone wanted to the message you know. I'm a believer that if you want to send messages to the telegram but I think you know empowering people's ask what s is a great question. I guess what. I was alluding to before this you know. Unprecedented access to real science on the internet and not to out take take take whatever direction. The challenges that waiting out your source. Yeah yeah yeah. I mean it'd be cool if you some scientists got involved into looking at what's going on out there and you know just kind of go into it with an open mind and You know use the scientific method to see what it is. And that would be great and that will be the sequel Will you know one of the things is we are assume you and i are maybe not grew up at you know in the post cold war baby boom era. Yep i'm a. I'm a boomer. Yeah me too out. Boom here and We're influence you know. Our whole country radically influenced by soviet empire. Oh absolutely sylvia. Were headed kind of forward thinking science. Yes experiment. Let's say Substantive that could make people smarter faster that fell in love god is on the net flicks now about about the soviet program. You know understanding that. Some of these programs That they have been quasi related to funding or guidance. Whatever military or the government were up against the rush like an operation paper clip. You know Yeah what are we do with these genius. Scientists that came from germany. Are they going to go to the to the soviet empire they can go to. Yeah yeah so. There's only been interested in stuff that might seem a little fringy in an effort to get that edge. Sure have yeah be it in a in a olympic score or in Here science based oration as well yeah base race was very real. Remember living through the unfortunately. It took something like that for us to do it but now without a race. It's kind of like. What are you thinking of well. The whole apollo missions and getting to the moon. I write that was really the race. I mean they did not want a russian flag the be the first one on the rue And maybe right me so but talking about when kubrick filmed it or well. Yeah he Yeah his his trip to something else. And not only that but jupiter to that movie was out there but but yeah it had interest which you're talking about two thousand one okay. Yeah i'm done about the rumors of kubeck having shot the fake. This is real. You know really moon landing for that right. Yeah i've heard that but Yeah i don't believe that. At all. I don't believe it either but it's a good story and it's a good story and even made a movie about that is on. I think it was actually mars. Capricorn about fake landing. There that i remember snap local theater. When i was a child it was an interesting idea but but yeah it's Yeah i think we went there. And i'm sure the flag is still there and the common wisdom Suppose revealed to be common foolish Oh yes that's lutely couldn't agree more easy to be scoff. Oh absolutely absolutely call randy amazing randi you go and you might have been right the case we really don't know You know people were scoffing a few months ago. Now see that there's a lake on mark that's right that's right and they were saying there's no order on their wrong. There is always. I think that's how maybe didn't have technical skills. Maybe we didn't have I think that it's only now that the wireless transmission of energy that's helpful is talking about is becoming more realized. Yeah you know so sometimes the ideas for that. You're running of the dick. Tracy watch conferencing system. Yeah that was years ago and now we have. Yeah and even even the bill telephone call on two thousand one. we have skype. Now it's it's a lot cheaper than what they what they showed in the movie. But but yeah it's still it's still you know. There's a lot of things that we thought would never happen have happened and certainly the internet caught everybody but nobody ever time member of being on the early something. Yeah was open. Yeah i think it was open again more the artists side and so yeah tougher how to touch an artist. Yeah sounds like visiting the future. So the movie I it's you said it's gonna be it's available later in the month on i tunes and Is it coming to netflix amazon. As well that would be later. And i assume that one of your good services will will pick up the film It's actually available right now on a pre by just yesterday the i two there you go if you cannot wait these Get on your free by calling earthling. Yeah a trip. I mean it is true. So a chip. I remember put words to work up so you you feel pretty good about the film to finish you use. Did you accomplish what you set out to do do it. And it's always shocking as a documentary. Filmmaker you right out these proposals. You're like oh my god is just a right something to get grants or whatever it is and then you rouge into the writing like two years later. The writing 'cause number of years really thinking through You pull out the writing. You're like yeah. Yeah we did that. That's good you know. And i would feel like we've been getting You know wide range of reaction. Sure i would have wanted it any other way. Mostly very positive. I can't wait for people to have new york city. Tonight's our last screening the detail. And if you're gonna go out to the desert you should Please call them events or make a reservation. If you're gonna go to around the dome either for magical place. Yeah but as you know because he lives in wearing a i lived in a small town cope Which is about two hours from lubbock texas. Okay so i lived right near the border so the only good thing about that is you could celebrate. New year's twice can go into You can celebrate a new mexico cross the border into texas and you just gained an hour. 'cause you're on central and and then you can celebrate it again. So that was any the high desert the high mojave. We're we're the integral is that it's magical there. Yeah yeah so what do that. Think crates or died under the giant rock knew that howard robot us himself risked. Yeah no no doubt about it. There's something something to that area. That's no question. Well thanks again. I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me. You know it's a fascinating idea and And certainly one that people should approach with an open mind and just see it and then kind of make their own conclusion order right. Thank you so much. Thank you all right. Never there's more of the sst podcast network special marathon. Some stay tuned.
David Michael Slater
"Hi this is tony toledo. David michael slater has written an interesting series of books with all family called mysterious monsters. The first book had the precocious madigan kids finding bigfoot. His newest has them looking for area. Fifty one in las vegas and they may run into aliens. This is a good candidate for fun. Summer read here. is our full conversation cut. Thank you for your interest in this. Oh yeah yeah. I think it's really neat. It's a cool Series of books for kids. And i like that. I'm glad to hear it for. Yeah pretty cool. I mean went from bigfoot area. Fifty one nice. That's a good transition. Actually all six books are finished. Oh wow no kidding before we get into the story and stuff. Let's talk about the kids. Mattie max deal how would you describe them for those meeting them for the first time i guess quirky overused through. But they all have They're all unusual. The all have time to them in different ways. The older sisters secretly enjoys being the boss which she has to be because among Appeared a year before. This i book begins. She's sort of acts like she resents. Having to get the brothers teachable moments. But she that she really enjoys it. middle max is a book-aholic and he got stacks piled oliver's around remember exactly where everything is where every book is which pile and how far deep into it and then the youngest brother. Theo is sort of charmingly Roguish pulses i skipped over the next sponsored by nice has a special crouch that he thinks helps them spy on people in crouches around two inches. Everybody will not they say especially their names As we begin yanni's book they they have big foot in the basement. And they're off to las vegas to eventually go to area fifty one and from what i hear. Max is preparing some special gadgets. Yes he has a he has a spine. Ocular had another spied renewing tools that he cares around on so he can be ready at any moment for by duty and i guess i guess i should say the reason. Why pick for this ashton their patient father mark madigan that they're the madigan. They live outside forest park in portland. Oregon and fathers famous is tv. Show called monstrous lies with marcus matt again. And he's he's made a career debunking. Paranormal claims he travels around the country and she shoots Tv show masking crops and fraudsters and the kids were brought the kids up to these skeptical into appreciate tactic. That's that's already in world so it gets a little awkward when they come into discovering bigfoot and so they're hiding from their dad and very cool that's great so sort of the major in nature plot idea that that carries through all the books so they head to to las vegas and Can you kind of tease esto. What they might find an area fifty one sure. So the reason why. They're going with their dad thumb at the end of the first book. They sort of fit their trouble. jeopardizes television show. So they decide to Make up for it by testing that. They travelled around The on their summer break helping you know with his. And there are rumors circulating that j rod young the supposedly alien that the government has been hiding all these years and one. There's rumors that he has escaped running around the las vegas because they're not that is causing. You have health fanatics from over the world. Descend on chase afternoon. So there's people are running around desserts butter flying and whatnot and it just turns out that they also arrived that searches circles further. Stay time there's a alien convention going so there's a lot of aliens happening and one of the kids so the dad In touch with some military people at area fifty one in one of them leave because they actually like his help to to debunk this whole thing because the chaos is just not good for them so he agrees to meet that max smuggled to this meeting. That's where they get closed areas. Was i guess. It must have been fun as to what to kind of paint a picture. What area fifty one might look like. Was that cool to kind of dive into that part of the your foam methology. Yeah who are what that actual whether or not there isn't actually there on how that plays out. Even though these books are short there are. there's some genuine. I think if i may say twists through that the even older reader wouldn't necessarily see coming. Who when you write this. What's the process like. Do you hotline first and then kind of dive into the story and maybe take detours now. And then i am not an outlander water. I i think that would be nice. But i just can't do it. So i generally sort of have this circular out says. I have an idea that could have to get started. And i was just right till i hit the and not just go back and serve reviving from the very beginning and after all these years i i know that i'll i'm not revisited on for just a little bit before i hit a wall again to go back to the start and i just repeat that enough times. I find that. I didn't come in total. How many books are there going to be there. six in. we're calling it I don't know if i've been determined not that. We're calling today circular series. So it's a little unusual is probably not advisable for an author to write a whole series before the their success enough to justify publishing him. Oh sure this is. Actually the second time i've found that i did it with the series for young adults comfort books. 'cause for me i there's just such a the image to that those series come full circle at the end to see how all the stories together like a puzzle. So that's that's what excites me about series. And you really didn't thoroughly if you don't know where you're going like once. A book is published for example. A phone was published. You're stuck with what happens. If the one that he write off six seconds happens. I can come back to their early books and provide them until off six bucks week. One march story. Oh yeah that's certainly an advantage you know. That's for sure that's really cool. There's more mysterious monsters in a moment now. Do you have a set schedule when you write. I don't because i'm a fulltime teacher. Teach middle school separately grade english. So i pretty much actually. I do have a regular sunday morning riding time. A writer friends. But otherwise i just take forever acting rabbit for have trouble convincing new riders of this said even if only ten minutes fifteen year narrative worth using that time. Yeah have your students seen some of your work. Oh yeah. I i teach gifted and talented kids who Who have to read. Oh that's great yeah kind of. It's really wonderful teacher. Obviously yes yes. They love it up before. I moved to renowned courtrooms student. Be mailing these. Are you really david. Slater these books. Are you really author. I knew i was coming to a good job. Now i know your your. Your book is available in kindle version. To what like as a writer now to have like a different medium really to present a book. Although i i liked the tactile experience hokey the book. I don't know what it is. It's just you know yeah me too. I definitely prefer though actually incinerating doing for the for the series but happening. I don't know i just. I just think were whatever increases the chances of of getting into somebody's genes. Yeah absolutely it's great. I think it's fantastic. And obviously you can carry several books and one of those devices and And actually you know eventually have your whole series on one device and that's not a bad either so it's not work out probably. Yeah exactly. yeah i i you see those a lot when people travel no doubt about it. So can you teach us about what is coming up after alien. Yep i can tell you all this book. Third book is called the empire. Oh hey on the the same week. The kids in their dad got down to new orleans. Oh nice The book after that is copy ghost wherever they travel shorter distances. To ashland oregon. And then there's a book called. Where will where the kids go up to the one. Finally the last book is called the collector. Let's i probably should not. Okay okay. The fantasy and horror and decipher. Was that something that interested you as a growing up as well fantasy for served. That's what i started reading. Books are the rings watership down. Yeah of my about in close to thirty books published in you really kind of range around a lot of picture books. These are my first early chapter book series. I mentioned team theories to books first thoughts. So i kinda love everything i really. If i had to pick one thing he would be writing. When you're writing for you know for younger readers. I guess you have to kind of you obviously have to watch your vocabulary for one thing. But how do you get into a different mindset for that or or how does that work exactly for you. And let's be a little bit instinctual. Because i don't really Consciously think too hard about it I think maybe one of the benefits who are one of the prerequisites for being able to do that. It's actually loving all folks for all levels of kids. Yeah not love them. But otherwise i have a feature that just from writing for little kids i just. I just tried for a little kid. My vocabulary tend to actually be a little bit above my audience which i actually consider. Thank me if you go too far above and you lose. The ride rang vocabularies. We getting absolately. Learn some words and that's not a bad thing a lot of my characters love mermaids fox and there's actually also a there's a running team there's also like some life lessons kind of tucked in there a little bit too. Yeah and i think. I'm very wary of being active. I don't her for that. cookbooks myself. Some of them actually for that So i do think in. Please from the early readers from that. Those lessons are subtle inorganic to the story. And and don't preachy at all. Yeah i mean that's definitely echo that can be walking a type rope at times watched app at that it. Hey you can master that. that's great. that's awesome so. When did you know that you wanted to write. I did not grow up. That dream really. Not one of those writers are. I didn't even really read much in honestly so after so i was like a junior college functionally illiterate terms of literature and i thought i better start eating and i did and i got addicted to it. But i didn't start reading writing till i was in graduate school and i read some short stories by argentine Genius named tori. Any lewis or hayes. Oh i'd love his stuff. Yeah yeah. I mean mind-blowing. I didn't even know that that kind of sort of invented rumself. So yes i do even know. I was so amazed and bruno away by that. I thought. I just wanna try three like that. I was in grad school writing in my opinion pseudo scholarly illness so that i felt was actually more fictional than than Than real. And then i find on my gosh you the guy who wrote fictional scholarly articles. So i said to try a couple stories and Had some fun with it and sites. And now i got accepted in scare little journal. Good no one ever read but it was encouraging so just sort of went from there. One of one of those stories. I was trying to write Like a year or two later curtain would be a better picture books so that and got some good reactions snowball going and it's great. What which it like to do. The picture books i love doing picture is totally different process. I've had. I've had all the different types of experiences. The bigger that publisher the left the author has any thing whatsoever and the illustrations artist. Yes but most of my books are from smaller presses. That not only let so in the process of finding australia but stay involved in terms of giving feedback over. Traffic and in some cases actually worked with illustrators. So i mean i guess. There are a lot of horror stories about that. And the reasons why the large publishers don't put you together as they go badly have had no bad experiences with any of it really really speaking of illustration the illustrator for Your monsters books Talking about him. The covers are really really cool. I absolutely incredible. I mean i don't know how the how the get awards for book covers. But i mean the cover for bigfoot tackler. Yeah nuoro soaring getty. He's an italian artists. I didn't i don't know how he he actually is. Also straight at the seven covers teams. So that's where. I met on different publisher. I suggested in for her this one. Fortunately that worked out. I mean they're just jump right into pictures and in detail of the black and white interior pictures which is also really wonderful. Part of the series. Yeah i i can't say enough about how good he is so wonderful to work with in your eyes had any capture mattie maximum. Theo ruwais way. Being i have been working with in person. Though i described the hair that each at a crazy head of hair in different ways the father does too and we looked at some various styles. Sentencing off her. Sort of cartoons. Dial back with just Like i said some of my house great. I mean it's It it adds so when you right now are those the the images you see of them when you write them. I guess i haven't thought about it. I mean because we'll all the books were done. Yeah where he got okay. But when i when i read the books that reading i have a clear picture of his vision so now this series is done. Is there anything else you're planning next month of the launch at my first book of nonfiction cup. Twenty five education. We're heading wrong and how to fix them while not the main titles. We're doing it wrong. That's little exciting. Because i have not seen in the nonfiction for otherwise i do. Have you have another zero chapter book series. I and and i'm gonna kind of control myself in my the whole multi series there. Must it finds a home. The super duper oh cool. It was about a family with really useless in terrible superpowers kind of feel inferior like for example The father through visible the only who when he screening. Oh that's funny. I liked that already. That's cranky. I really wanna appreciate. I appreciate your time. And it's been fun talking to you and mysterious monsters. It looks like a great series if the if the first two books are any indication of mysterious monsters alien and area fifty one. So that's that's a that's sounds like a lot of fun. Very i tell you how much i appreciate your interest. Oh no problem at all all right. Great chutney david. You take care you to look for all the mysterious monsters books at amazon as we chatted about. Thanks for joining me as always. I'm tony to you.
117 Right Out the Window
"Formation a trivia podcast for ladies and gents who love coup Trivia and sticking it to annoying teens at pub quiz Hello and welcome to Mrs What is wrong with her voice see she's not fooling anyone he's crazy I late night radio delilah voice yeah yeah you're listening to misinformation so remember we're talking about just she of Bohemia Bohemia's name comes from a Celtic people known as the bow I who were in the region around the first century BC ooh that's cool struck me and made me laugh through the entire thing was her super deep voice when she would talk like this and we really believed that everyone thought her voice was this team which is so we start okay we're talking about Bohemia and religion who's over were we've gone back in time we're six hundred years I don't think I know what this is right so usually if anybody says were defenestration the Mitochondria is the powerhouse I mean that's all I know yeah so yeah I decided to pick one of those type of thing Grace Week Czech Republic it was an imperial state in the holy Roman Empire Okay and that was a complex of territories in western Central Europe that developed during the early Middle Ages with Charlemagne just in case you hear any of those terms great in thirteen fifty five Charles of Luxemburg the king of Bohemia became holy Roman Emperor Charles the fourth he's remembered profound it's in the pastorale okay so the Kingdom of Bohemia which is also sometimes strangely as the Czech kingdom was a medieval and early modern marquis in central Europe it was the predecessor of the I have a transition for that I'm sorry I threw you off that's on me so you know sometimes there's like attributed Bohemia was founded on the south by Austria on the West by Bavaria on the north by Saxony and Lucia on the northeast by S- Alesia and on the east by Murray so this week is called right out the window the defenestration of Prague I think I'm ready to John Wayne State continued until it was dissolved in eighteen six during the Napoleonic wars anyway the kingdom of Aquinas was established by the permissive dynasty in the twelfth century from the the University of Prague in thirteen forty eight and for increasing the boundaries and importance of Prague which he made the capital of the Holy Roman Empire Oh so basically from the mid fourteenth you're automatic like Levin responses means throughout the Winter Czech Republic whatever but like what the hell was this yeah okay that you just know that that's the answer yeah and you're just like I don't know what that thing is oh yeah all the time Triano was a principal center of intellectual and artistic activity in Central Europe Bohemia is the center where the reformation began so the reformation Graham yeah that's one hundred percent Elizabeth homes voice so we were two and a half seconds Steve paused it and he goes inside note remember we were talking about the Elizabeth homes documentary the blood thing that blood bad blood and finally watched it and the thing that was the breakway from Catholic Christendom that's where we find the theologian murder and national hero John Who's in the early fifteenth century without getting too much into it removing the existing hierarchy and the secularization of ecclesiastical possessions that seems like a tall order agree yeah right optimal factions of who sites who held different views and even opposed one another later on the main categorisations were moderate who sites who sought to conduct reform while leaving quality between Church officials nobility peasants I they were key predecessor to protestantism and one of the most important forerunners of the Protestant Revolution. I'm it's important to note that there were eighteen fourteen it maintained that the Eucharist or communion should be administered quote in both kinds so that's as both bread and wine the whole hierarchical and liturgical or of the church untouched and the radical Hussites who desired to return the church to its supposed condition during the time of the apostles which meant revenues enough win thirty rockets trying to get out of jury duty yeah she's just as like Princess Leia I don't think it would be fair if I was on a jury because I'm post was burned at the stake for heresy against the doctrines Catholic church in Fourteen fifteen who's sites they were a religious group who had called for reform of the Catholic Church who all congregation including the lay people so the practice among Roman Catholics at the time was for only the priests to partake the wine okay so you could have you know so you trek wisdom U. T. R. A. Q. U. I s. m. it was a Christian Dogma first proposed by Jacob of Mies who is a professor of philosophy at the University of Prague okay this section is called defenestration the first brick it's July thirtieth fourteen nineteen oh man that's on procession through the streets of Prague new town hall and Charles Square the town hall building dated from thirteen seventy seven but new parts were added at the beginning of the fifteenth century since comedian is in was considered a sacrament and the Catholic Church this was a big deal so the name eutrophism comes from the Latin Sub Utrecht spacey meeting in both routing them and a stone was thrown at the priest Celeski from the window of the town hall and allegedly hit him so the congregation with him obviously oh he mea upon hearing the news was apparently stunned and died shortly thereafter supposedly due to the shock so this is what I love about the past Pacific Time yes yawns Lipsky or moderate Hutus priest at the Church of the Virgin Mary Snow's in Prague was leaving his congregation so the moderate who sits we're talking about them so one large group under under the moderate who sits where the requests they were also called the Kayla cts tines common person going to church you could get the bread of Christ but you couldn't also get the wine that was only for the priest so one big thing that they were pushing for was that you should be able to get both of them yeah Ooh I didn't see you there you could just drop boom drop dead so weak willed such weak constitutions we all had I note here that apparently the angry mob also had pitchforks and spears and we're waiting at the base of the tower so what some of them went up and they were they did not like this no and they became an angry mob so stays bay storm the town hall once inside the group said including a tall tower with Chaplin side and a large bell of the top okay so this group they wanted to have a word with the town councillors they'd previously kinds in the signs also comes from the Latin Word For Chalice which is K- lakes so you might see oh sure okay a little background very are all right so bad at these counselors and threw them out the window and then the other people were just oh my God was sharp implements up their pitch for so activities will be geared toward children and families well we want residents and visitors to the city district is spend the summer day with a return to the Middle Ages the current mayor said don't awesome event with a reenactment when they threw a medieval counselor out of the tower bid wait like a real Amana case several loves it lifts keys who site followers and we're holding them in the Tower of the town hall oh trees while they were marching there were other people in the streets bigger or members of the town council were defenestrate these threw them out as oh really right out the Ding Dang oh my gosh I should that while the event is historically controversial it would be a mistake to ignore the anniversary it would be a mistake so yeah if you go quote there will be a camp in historical marketplace all day starting at one pm the period music dancing plus fencing demonstrations and displays of weapons many prolong who site wars so these words broke out shortly afterward around fourteen twenty and they lasted until about fourteen thirty six as a series of wars between the WHO sits in the combined Christian Catholic. I don't like this your people are bad you took aren't people hid them yeah throwing stuff at us so the burgomaster who was the master of the town really in the mayor the judge and several bird this is of the holy Roman Empire as well as the papacy in various European monarchs who were loyal to the Catholic Church whose words were arguably the first European were in which medicine mannequin but I haven't seen any pictures I just kept reading like up reenactment got town councillor out the window so according to the press release that was released ahead of the affect the inventory revolution so in the end though it was essentially like an inconclusive war so it happened for about sixteen years people were mad religion initiation the second asterisk though some people tend to not count this one chronologically this was the second defenestration happened on uh-huh gird yours that was defenestration the first okay by the way in July two thousand nineteen prog celebrated the six hundred university under abuses of the system of indulgences clergy benefited by selling indulgences and the pope gave official sanction in exchange for fee luther argued that indulgences lead eighty three which was a couple of weeks later actually three proud municipalities signed a treaty on unity and common action which led to religious reconciliation and the declaration of the Reduce One's length of stay in purgatory for one sins so Laura talked a little about purgatory and episode forty-seven Burn Baby Burn Dante's inferno out rose thrown out the window were killed yeah there's about seven seven people still kind of a lot of people so King Wenceslas the fourth it's more wide ranging religious movement remember those ninety five theses fifteen seventeen also call the disputation on the power of indulgences a professor of moral philosophy Martin Luther listed his positions against what he saw as an abuse of the practice of clergy selling plenary indulgences those were certificates believed they tried each other and then they were like I right it's winter now yeah all right we're done yeah so the some soup a conspiracy among the town councillors who dominated the town hall overthrew the municipal government of the old new and lesser towns which were the different divisions of Prague so the the town councillor was thrown out of the window and then they stormed the recently restored monasteries killed some of the month and then level though symbols of the Catholic Church so I mean number twenty four th fourteen eighty-three under the reign of Wladyslaw of the colonial dynasty whose sites were feeling jeopardized by Catholics and claiming to have discovered mm nothing there wasn't like a revolution afterwards or war anything it was just that happened right okay one hundred years after John hus Martin Luther in Saxony started Albert of Brandenburg who was bishop of Mainz on October thirty first fifteen seventeen a date now considered the start of the reformation and commemorated annually as referee Prog to that building they still do they still throw about it yeah yeah so the first defenestration was the turning point between talk and action leading urge Christians from giving to the poor and performing other acts of believing that the indulgent certificates were more spiritual valuable. I'm so louver sent the theses with a letter guest seven people died didn't really have much of an impact though I mean like besides those seventeen counselor died on October six fourteen eleven over Switzerland and various Anna Baptist leaders Anna Baptist where fringe movement of the reformation who were opposed to infant baptism and believed in the separation Earth Majesty which granted religious tolerance to both Protestant and Catholic citizens living in the states about this is an important document all was well until quality of both churches so Catholics your quest who sites at the religious piece of couldn't Ahora in fourteen eighty five so religious intolerance helped for the developer of the land but it contributed to the future conflicts of interest between middle class and nobility so that one some people don't count it okay because it didn't because nothing archduke of Austria was elected King Muhima in sixteen seventeen and just two years later he would become Emperor Ferdinand the second Ferdinand believed with all his heart that dynastic I was concerned Ferdinand had a more material interest with its flourishing agricultural mercantile and industrial activities not to mention its gold and silver mining bohemia was the wealthiest person Shen Day Lutheran may have also posted the theses on the door of All Saints Church and other churches in Wittenberg in accordance with university custom on October thirty first or by mid November mm-hmm and by sixteen eighteen the empire had become not only a political patchwork but also a religious mishmash of states following the doctrines of not only Martin Luther but also John Honor the letter of Majesty going to grant religious tolerance both Catholics and Protestants The new king gave formal assurances that he would do so but surprise this hand held gunpowder weapons such as muskets made a decisive hundred wish him the warriors were basically inventory and their many defeats of larger armies with Heavily Armored Knights helped seven and a vital contributor to the imperial coffers all of this was known to the national leaders in Prague who viewed the new regime with apprehension the question on everyone's minds was whether Fernando Christians to avoid true repentance for their sins and true sorrow believing that they could just forego it by purchasing an indulgence exam so he thought that these indulgences also the Catholic Church and when the local people staged a protest the Catholic deputy governors arrested them in response the defenses appointed under the letter of Majesty's ally intended to put the nationalist author guard into by time until he was ready to strike so this brings us to defenestration the third to`real and religious unity were inseparable he never deviated from his conviction that he had a divine calling to restore the glory days of the Catholic Empire so as far as well safeguard the Protestant rights called in the semi Protestants at Prague they were planning to accuse the king of infringing their rights to own property in to enjoy freedom of worship the Protestant leaders demanded the release is that people died like that if you were surprised Ha if if someone walked around a corner too four Catholic Lords region who are Count Yorislav Martin Niece Count Villeneuve's Levada Adam the second von Sternberg and Matthew Leopold Poeple but also since the one right before this wasn't a big deal this might also sometimes be called the second defenestration of Prague in sixteen seventeen the Lutherans after preparing the meeting hall members of the Dissolved Assembly of the three main Protestant estates gathered at nine o'clock am led by men named count objects they must not he insisted be allowed to escape with their lives wow at those words the mob again angry shirts ear the feces were quickly reprinted translated and distributed throughout Germany in Europe but a century after luther other teachers throughout Europe followed with their own versions of protestantism search state they considered adult baptism to be the only proper form of baptism in sixteen o nine holy Roman Emperor Rudolph the second issued a document titled the Letter Catholics maintain the men were saved by angels or by the Intercession of the Virgin Mary who caught them yes later Protestant pamphlet tears claimed that they survived because they as of us in of our religion have desired to deprive us of our letter of Majesty have horribly plagued your Protestant subjects and have tried to force them to adopt your religion against their wills or have had the mix is to see whether these four Lords region were responsible for this is say so the Protestant leaders demanded to know whether Fernande had ordered his Bohemian subjects about who is on the pain of death or whether the Catholic deputies had encouraged him to adopt the stance two of the deputies convinced circles of their innocence and were allowed to leave the church Oh left behind Count Villains Levada and count Yorislav Martin he's so count Thurn addressed both Martin's Levada and said quote I guess you're the of the prisoners and when this reserve us they campaigned throughout the land for their supporters to converge on Prague for a mass demonstration to take place on May twenty third sixteen eighteen love quits who was the grand prior arrived at Prague Castle at eight thirty in the morning now everybody's GonNa die they wanted to erect to new places of worship just was a freedom that was covered by the letter of Majesty but the king sequestered the land that they plan to build on and instead gave it to me UNCON- desperately to the window frame but one of the assassins struck him with a blow on the head and he fell into the abyss for good measure. The attackers took the Deputy Secretary Philip Square twelve of their heads were impaled on iron hooks and hung from the bridge tower as a warning so this contributed to the resentment that gave rise to the thirty down on November Eighth Sixteen Twenty there was plundering and pillaging Improv for weeks following the battle and several months later twenty-seven nobles and citizens were tortured and executed in the Old Town Third Oh yeah that's a bad a bad side of Saint Lawrence Agenda was to clarify whether the four regions present were responsible for persuading the emperor to order the cessation of had fallen onto a dung heap that was coincidentally under the window that sounds right that sounds like good propaganda right there the Secretary Philip for BCS was later and noble by the Oh the dog sometimes called the second defenestration of Prague was really like the event that sparked Ya that did all thirty years war wow all for throwing people out a window it seems like such a unique way that over the course of spelled for this reason third and then turned to his followers and urged them to show no mercy two men who had urged the king to wage religious were on his own Protestant leading calvinism in son-in-law of the Protestant James The sixth and I king of Scotland England and Ireland because they depose properly chosen king the Protestants I forward pinning the deputies against the tall windows someone on fastened the casement and Flung Martigny South Window Slovakia apparently put more refined similitude reaction famine and disease cities became empty smoldering shells and farmland took a generation to recover a years were eight yeah okay so just quickly during the thirty years war which took place between sixteen eighteen and sixteen forty eight different are and granted the title Baron von Hole and fall meeting Barron of the high fall okay that's no but sure so this all became a signal sixteen thousand nine hundred and the second was elected holy Roman emperor and at the same time the Bohemian estates deposed him as king of Bohemia and replaced him with Frederick v Elector Palatine the process church construction on rail and so that the two Lutheran churches that wanted to build in the amber was like nope and he gave that thing to the to the Catholics instead so this was the three guys were thrown out but they didn't die they did not die yeah I wondered so they open the windows first and then threw them out for breezy and he tossed him out after him Oh my God these three men survived the seventy foot fall from the third defenestration the fourth so this term defenestration has also been used to describe the Twentieth Century Death of Yon Masonic who was the Foreign Minister Czechoslovakia from nineteen forty to nineteen forty eight his body was found below the bathroom window of the building of the Czechoslovak Ministry of Foreign Affairs on March Tenth Nineteen Forty eight logistic political groups vied for control of Central Europe killing more than eight million people in the process God the combat nations between twenty five and forty percent of their population minister or by the Soviet secret services a police report in two thousand four concluded after forensic research that masonic had indeed been defenestration to his death the could not gather the international support that they needed for war okay just two years after the defenestration here Fernanda Catholics regained power in the battle of Whiteman it seems like a very long time yeah they were like this is our thing this is this is our we get rid of this is our religious persecutors with the first one I think it was the combination of height and also the people the bottom with the pitch for I I agree with that part of the whole thing there yeah all for the beginning of a Bohemian revolt okay immediately after the defenestration the Protestant and Catholic Habsburgs started gathering allies for war sure is they don't really count it was a lot of people fighting and then maybe some people were already dead before they were thrown out the window and then the third one sometimes called the second one news we're your hosts time Lauren I guess I'll talk now I'm Julia I'm sorry we do a back and forth I was just really digging into the official report listed his death as suicide however it was widely believed that he was murdered either by the literally forming communist government in which massage served as a nonpartisan for me ask frank tried to throw them at the close window that you would kind of be Atarot also glasses expensive originally in that time period -actly you want to open it up first and then you know I know so what officials up with iced ranking soviet-bloc intelligence defector Lieutenant General Yang Maha Passaic Pat described his conversation with Nikolai Ceaucescu who told him about ten Internet channel leaders the Kremlin killed or tried to kill and Yon Miss Arc was one of them so a little bit Lou little big gossip here I think 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"Remind me to tell you that I'm sick and tired of your logic. What is the most illogical attitude Tony when you when you live alone now, all kinds of strange things happen greetings and felicitations. Hi, I'm Brad durif. This is Ethan Phillips. Hi there. I'm James Doohan off. This is Rene. Auberjonois. I play shapeshifter Odo sir. There's a multi legged creature crawling on your shoulder. Hi, this is max grodenchik ROM from Deep Space Nine on Billingsley. I played Doctor flopped on Enterprise and I said, and then I heard my voice say you said, and you should have said, huh? I said a computer I said it right you're wrong. Hi, this is John de Lancie. Hi, I'm George Takei in part because of the hopeful nature of jeans Vision, but also because of its message of wage. Diversity and inclusion. Hi, this is a Trek capsule special on a villain introduced in the original series episode errand of Mercy. That episode little did they know that that character in that race the Klingon would create a culture with its own language and a system of Honor will take a look at the facts on which has evolved as I said into more than just attractive going on this journey. I have dr. Mark Oakland who developed the Klingon language when I woke up developing Klingon that had a few things in mind some some more my ideas and some of them came from from you know from Harvard Bennett who was the writer producer Star Trek 3, which is the first film that I did Klingon for one of them was It was supposed to be an alien language which means it shouldn't be like any language on Earth but whatever whatever that means. So for that reason I try very hard not to make it resemble anything but in addition At the time all we know about Klingons was what we saw in the original series and the Klingons so that they were kind of the the most popular villains in the original series, but they were really featured as as major plot elements in three, maybe four episodes no more than that. So they weren't even they weren't at all over the place, Yeah, but they became the most popular ones anyway, so we know about how they behaved in the original series and I knew how they behaved in the script for Star Trek three, but that's all we knew and what we know what we knew was Klingons are mean and tough and more like an awful and Despicable. So I wanted to be we've learned better since then if that was at the time. So I wanted to make sure that the Klingon language that had developed did not resemble any Earth language because say if I accidentally resembled Thai then I've got other people in Thailand upset with me for you know, using the their languages and model for these the language of these bad guys. Yeah. Okay. So I so I tried very hard not to make a sound like anything in particular now having said that you can't help but be influenced by what you know. And what I know the most about besides English and some Indo-European languages are American Indian languages mostly from the west coast and some South East Asian language in Chinese. So little bits of those things would creep in there. But as soon as I realize I was doing something like one of those languages I would immediately stop and change gears drastically. So there's little bits and pieces of stuff in there, but hopefully not in any recognizable way from the TV series following a ten year Gap Star Trek the motion picture started shooting and Gene Roddenberry wanted the Clone not to speak with their own language to go along with their new-look the the story of Klingon and in the motion picture is when they when they made the motion picture, they knew that the plane was going to speak to agent know whose idea that was I don't know if it was Gene roddenberry's idea or somebody else. But there was a scene and that that scene where they speak cleaners is very very first thing in the movie. Yeah, there's three Klingon ships and one that I want they disappear and they're not in the movie anymore. But before that may I speak a little bit of Klingon scene after that is on Vulcan on the planet Vulcan and Spock is undergoing kind of a ritual called colon are he's going to ask me that accept call in our rights pure logic not seen the Vulcan scene was filmed with the actors speaking only English because that's what the script said to do. I'm going to Leonard, you know Spock didn't speak at all not seem but there was a woman conducting the ceremony that she had a helper know what anybody's title was and they spoke we spoke long lines and when they were doing post-production, the the folks decided that they should be speaking English. She's just she should be speaking Vulcan, right? Yeah. So it's a Vulcan ceremony on Vulcan. There's no one around town. Vulcans and we know that the Klingons are going to speak Klingon. So it seems silly to have Klingons speaking Klingon in the very next scene the Vulcan speak English. So they hired a guy from UCLA and harmless Scharf or something like that whose specialty was South Indian languages Sanskrit and things like this. Oh, wow to come up with Vulcan and what it was, you know, he looked at the at the the dialogue the English dialogue and looked at the lips of the woman in the guy who was speaking it and made up basically gibberish that that match the lip movements and when they were off camera, you could do whatever he wanted and that was when he did was modified a little bit I think Jimmy doing how do I had a hand in there too. But anyway, it was basically this sharp because he did that they said hey, why don't you make up Klingon as well? Cuz even though the Klingon scenes were at the very beginning of the movie there were shot at the end of the production schedule so he did something but they didn't like it for one reason or another. I have a dog. Idea why so Jimmy doing and one of the producers named John Pavel, the two of them together came up with some dialogue some Klingon stuff to say off and gave that to Mark Leonard. Who is the speaker he played the Klingon right? He's normally Spock's father. But Mr. The Klingon and then and then he said the lines and that's the origin of Klingon. There's maybe six seven thousand times. You know, one of them is I don't know if that counts as a line. Yeah, and that's it. Now. There's actually more than that, but you can't hear it. So there's there's this there's a scene off during that sequence on a federation Lookout station or something where you see the Klingon Mark Leonard on a viewscreen and he's actually about something and he recorded all that in in in in the office on dialogue they gave him but you can't hear it really so that sort of doesn't count. And what counts is the is the is the the basic basic stuff of Klingon is those half a dozen lines are so that you can hear very very clearly when he spoke. Yeah, and yeah Jimmy doing and John Cole feel responsible for that after the film's came Star Trek the Next Generation, but Klingons may have to take a back seat and and in genome Barry's original conception for the I'm told I didn't hear this from jeans mouth. But in the original conception for the Next Generation when he was talking about when he said he didn't want to have episodes where the major clubs had anything to do with Vulcans or Klingons. He said it's a big Galaxy out there. There's lots of other folks for us to learn about in to interact with and so we've already discussed Klingons and walk-ins right in the original series. So let's go somewhere else, but then they put Wharf on the bridge at the Enterprise and for the first season, he would he was the only Klingon 2 till almost to the end of the first season when a couple other Klingons showed up and after that it took off after that day Incorporated Klingons over the place in the in the whole culture was fleshed out and development became really interesting. Let's take a break but back in the middle of second is the most illogical attitude. Well, maybe a little longer. Back on Trek capsule with more conversations from every Trek generation the weather things that I usually did when when I got the job was vowed to to change the perception of Klingons and although we didn't have major discussions about it. Jean Genie allowed me to create the wharf character anyway, I wanted to and so what I did was I took we had to do a different voice number one because the voice was a human like, you know, originally although deepest and so I just took it and made it English, you know, made him a really eloquent, you know, instead of saying we can't, you know, we cannot you know and and make it very stilted and very very eloquent. So and also the same with the fighting sequences, you know, originally it was like screaming and yelling and hitting with two And you know just really kind of wild stuff and I and I went to one of the special effects supervisors on our show who was a martial arts expert and I said look, you know, I want to change it's all around. Let's do something that is wrong is violent, but almost like martial arts like, you know, so every move is is is choreographed and it is every if you make a move here getting prepared for the next move and so it looks real, you know, like like a dance, you know, except they can rip your throat out, you know or something and so that's that's without. My whole point is to is to change the Klingons where they weren't just you know, these wild guys and and made him a little different. As the culture expanded we met more characters and even one of the leaders of the Klingon Empire played by Robert O'Reilly Galvatron and another series Star Trek Deep Space, Nine Klingon came into Focus who was instrumental to Worf General martok played by JG hertzler. Geron was a very ambitious ruler and he was actually rewriting history much to worst Chagrin. How do you see him now, What we're going through now, somebody must have watch that show too. I think what I heard was it was a natural ability of when you switch shows. I didn't expect to I started off with next-gen and actually thought I was pretty heroic figure it could because I was coming from a family clean on family that was sort of outside the realm that they were royalty, but the way that the description was is that I was not an acceptable sort of person for and how I became dead. This battle with with the other Klingon to take over with never actually explained then one once I did take over and get it then when Michael Jordan was moved over to a Jeep space line. I knew I was probably going to do one of two things be killed off or get transferred over and and once I got transferred over I knew exactly what was going to occur. I would become You Know The Enemy to some way or or degree or they needed people to fight to get into the show and I was in natural. There was interesting as they made me a political figure and not just I figured if I was going to fight I'd probably only last season so the alternative was to become political and and they did that to me and I lasted the full run of of Deep Space Nine, which was excellent in my own opinion. He was dead. But but I have no, you know, it's like I'm one of those actors, you know, you give me the job I do it, you know, it's like the less I give my own opinion about it. I feel like that's what I should be doing getting my less opinion about it and and just do the job. There is certain things. I liked disliked, but I'm not a writer, you know, and and they have to go off the full spectrum. They have a much harder job. I feel and a much more, you know free job to go and and create you know and jge, you know, I I thought in some ways martok was interesting because in some ways he was kind of a mentor and surrogate father for for War facts and was instrumental in helping him after the death of his wife and so am I on the right track with him or does he view log? If more is a comrade, it didn't start out that way. I I the the first really significant episode that I was in was off once more into the breach. Yes, and I that was with John colicos who was coming back coming forward really the first Klingon ever John Colby goes that's right. He was coming in to earn himself an honorable death. I guess he knew he was dying and he wanted to somehow Crown his life with an honorable death, which is everything to a Klingon and he came to me, but I would not No, I'm confusing two episodes. The first episode was these are my two favorite episodes. So I do get a mixed up soldiers of the Empire. Oh, yeah in Soldiers the Empire which was directed by LeVar Burton martok was presented as a man who has lost his courage lost his nerve a Klingon that's lost his heard disrespected. His ship was disrespectful. It was he was like the the if there was a like a cursed ship in the Navy that was it his his ship and found the the the Klingon crew hated themselves hated the ship hated him and Worf came on and Jadzia also wage, but Worf put me in a position where I could actually behave in such a ways to overcome by fear wolf character after and he did it down. And I did overcome my fear of the jem'hadar and at the end we I welcome making part of how smart dog. So he was part part sun part brother. That was the most that was probably the most emotionally fulfilling episode I ever got a chance to do because it really pushed Mar talk to his emotional ends about being a would all said and done being a coward being afraid. Yeah. There are things that I would I would undertake now accept as John and except that I you know, there are too many people involved in this too much chance of a chance of failure, but I would love to be able to do it. It's anyway Wharf provided martok with that possibility it worked out in that it's made in part of my house which fulfill the need that he had. Well, oh absolutely. No, that was great. It was great. The whole Klingon storyline on DS9 was awesome. And you gotta credit the guy who really knew how to write him running away. The war will give you more man. You're right. He he had those great Klingons stories man. It was he had great great command of Klingon culture. And yeah, and if you've ever met a girl on yes, he is the most like whatever the opposite of overbearing is. He he's the most humble man. He's yes, he's a he's a genius but he's so humble. He's so non-aggressive non demonstrative of this is how much I know, you know, it's just not there and I have the greatest respect for but the other the other thing in my case with with once more into the breach LeVar Burton was a director. Yeah once more into the breach and I think James Conway dead. Cracker directed soldiers in the Empire know I'm sorry. I'm screwing it up. Again Lavar directed Soldiers the Empire Alan cracker yet another Guardian directed once more into the breach. They were both fabulous directors Michael VAR was basically he was a a d p and a director and I was he was sort of a very talk about a very humble man. He was you never hear about him. In fact, he's he's unfindable. I'm trying to walk them through the through all those resources we have and he just does not want to be found. You know, he's so he has a anyway I thought that we had great writers like Ron more we had great directors and terrific actors and the guy in charge Ira. Oh, yeah, you know, he just loved Ira loves actors and he loves storytelling above all and in that way. He was I think sort of like Gene Roddenberry. He tried to find the most important things to say and put them in a Sci-Fi context has the Klingon popularity spread some removed to speak the language and take it further Dr. Marko green. Some folks were members of something called the Klingon Language Institute. That's right, which is an organization of people who study Klingon very very very seriously and among its members are some people who are excellent speak Klingon some of them, you know, absolutely fluent. They can they can do simultaneous translation at least Klingon to English and carry on discussions entirely and Klingon and they write things in Klingon and so on Thursday, uh, yeah. Yeah. There was the line in in in Star Trek six. Yeah, where where the the chancellor of the Klingon Empire said, you know, you you can't really appreciate Shakespeare to you right up in the Iraq. Klingon has showed the members of the Klingon language is just said well if the works of Shakespeare were originally written in Klingon, we owe it to the world or to the Galaxy not translate but to restore the works of Shakespeare back to the original Klingon and that was that was what started that project the only thing that existed only Shakespeare landed existing when they started was to be or not to be everything but I didn't I didn't to be or not to be but they did the whole rest of the play. Yeah. Yeah, it was delivered. So well too in the early days there were CD-ROMs remember those and dark Trek Klingon was one of them I played it. Here's Dr. Marko green and Robert O'Reilly. And yes JG hertzler. Were you can order it? You couldn't you couldn't buy it there and walk home with it, but you can pre-order it and it wouldn't they don't send it to you, but they had some setups you could play with it and try it out. And I said, I'm going to go try out this language lab. Because I skipped the whole rest of the other thing went straight to the language lab and went to the part where I'm supposed to read a word and say it back in here how I did so the word popped up now. I'm making this up. I don't remember what it was but it's not plot and I said, plot and then I heard my voice say you said, and you should have said, huh? I said no computer. I said it right you're wrong. That's funny. That's a great story. Yeah. I mean, I I remember well, I meant the language lab actually took place in the Holodeck. Okay, and then he would appear in the holidays and he were you know, you know who he would introduce himself and then we're going to you know, we just get going and you know impatient as I was a lot of times I kind of skipped that and welcome to the story and of course, that's why he cursed at me cuz I I didn't do it right but yeah, there's bits and pieces of it maybe even the whole thing that you can see on YouTube. Yeah, I think so and a lot of separate videos I was dead. I was privileged to sort of do a whole dictionary kind of a thing. I did a CD-ROM and they added a whole section of learning Klingon and I was to be the teacher wage and it was some of the first tries at trying to do I don't know what you would call it but a video where somebody could talk back and and and I would tell you whether you did it, right the technology wasn't there but the idea was and but I couldn't do any of it because so they flew Mark in to sit next May and I he would tell me how to do the word and and I would do the word and he said no Bob. That's not right. You have to spit more. So it was very nice covid-19. Not not good the way Klingons talk and so we would definitely have to wear masks, but he he just he was very patient with me and sometimes yep. Have they say a word like three or four times before I got the actual accent and was able to turn the camera and he was literally two feet away from him and then the camera was two feet away from me. So he would tell me I would try it and then I do it to camera and this went on for two days. I think we took us two days to film it. It was a lot of fun and and and I enjoyed but you know Mark that I sort of became fairly close then and it was great that we got to know each other and then through the years we've gotten to know each other better. Well, what's funny is that I played that CD-ROM and I went to the language lab work out on appears on the on the Holodeck, right? And and so me being a little younger and more impatient I said, I don't want to do the thing. Let me go right to the ship and I'm on the Klingon bird-of-prey and I I do something or say something that's not wrong. And garron would appear and essentially cursed me out and Klingon every time you should have been cursed out and that's right. That's right. That was a lot of fun to do that. I have to admit. Is this the CD-ROM called Klingon? Yeah start going on. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I was I think I was on that page as I played the old Klingon I didn't have much to say. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was your first Klingon. I think that was absolutely was and off when I when I read for that Jonathan Frakes directed it and when I read for that I came to a sequence in learning learning the reading a script over night before I went in to audition. There was a sequence it was in Klingon three or four or five lines and I said wow, this is ridiculous. I have no idea how to pronounce these words and I don't know what they mean. Unscrew that. I'll use a foreign language. I'll use I don't know. What can I use French know French sounds like French Spanish German getting closer. I said, oh I know Latin and the because my mother was a Latin teacher. I took too much Latin through through high school and college but I learned and memorized a long long long long time ago 1971 a thing called sisserou's 4th or Asian against cattle line. And so I took it right into it. I was saying blood walk you see that is coastguard hundred Meg retainer in Catalina party at the announced program on freedom. So it went on for a while and when I was done Frank said, you know, I've never had anybody auditioning in in Latin before was laughing at me and he said but I am Of Latin and he said I there's nothing written for you in this in this CD-ROM, but I'm going to ask the writers to write you in so long. That's how I got that first job on Bob's CD-ROM. Yeah, there you go, and he's on the cover and as it's always been but the Klingons weren't done. They showed up a Star Trek Discovery a new Star Trek series, you know, what's interesting about about Klingon in Discovery season 1 of Discovery. Yeah is very clear on heavy wash. Yeah in in terms of the plot and in fact, you know episode 1 the the opening scene is what it goes on for seven or ten minutes or something entirely in Klingon. Yeah. I didn't work on Discovery for Klingon. All the dialogue in Discovery was translated by two people primarily a woman from Vancouver name Robyn Stewart and a little bit off by a guy in Indiana named Ellen Anderson. Both of them excellent speakers of Klingon and they're the ones who translated the dialogue into Klingon. And then that's and that's what the actors said. I think Robin Hood was there to coach them, but she was on the phone or something all the time with them. Oh, wow. So they did that. They didn't make anything up grammar wise or vocabulary wise that's all the stuff that I did but they did actual translation work. Wow. I mean it sounded pretty good. I mean, I was very good. It's very good the ACT. Yeah, the actors did a really good job. They they speak in in in in in kind of a shakespearian way. Sometimes there is speak like this remote, you know have their pronunciation is good. And then the and the the sentence is the grammar and all that stuff is spot-on. How did you kind of approach kelpien? Yep. It was very different, you know, the the whole structure of the language is different in discussions with the The Producers. They had a couple of ideas of what kelp and should sound like so I gave them a few samples. They they suggested two things in particular one is they wanted kelpien to have cliques like some great languages and Iraq and Africa. Yeah. Yeah and and things like that. I wasn't so sure how readily the actors would be able to Bruce them. So I put in one-on-one clicks, so they may kind of noise like that. That's fine. And they also wanted to be kind of melodic so it's sort of sad so as sort of a tonal language it goes up and down like this. Yeah, in addition to the clicks popping in everything that was that idea came from producers the particular grammatical structure and all that was was zombie. Wow, and then then then the actors spoke. I never actually worked with Subaru with Doug Jones Yas. On any of his I did work with some of the some of the other actors. Oh that's amazing. I know they're alien sounding language, you know, it seems incredible. Yeah, I mean sing song singing. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. They do they tell boy was that in a an adventure? Yeah, there's always surprises it would start. You know, it's always the way it is or something last as long as Star Trek you can develop many of the different races like Klingons covering their development has been a lot of fun for me the Klingons from trucks bad guys took a warrior culture. What a strange Journey indeed. This is Tony. Tellado. 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SERMON Why Christmas?: Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets
"How you guys this morning? Good thanksgiving Turkey mashed potatoes. Okay so let's play a game real quick just Thanksgiving in your mind. You're okay Pumpkin Pie. Raise your hand if you like. It gave him okay. Now keep it up if you ate for breakfast the day after Thanksgiving okay. How many of you? How many of you have apple pie for Thanksgiving? Yeah Okay how do you. How many of you had sweet potatoes to the sweet potatoes for breakfast? No right to write. How many of you have eaten at least two plate of leftovers so far right see? Yeah we'll interact here so so what's your favorite thing to heat. Yup Come on just bolted out stuffing dressing. Yeah that is the best in it like it needs to sit for a day anyway right what else Turkey. He liked her. Yeah how many of you put cranberry sauce on your Turkey. If you haven't tried it. I suggest it if you've tried. You don't like it let your problem okay. So thanksgiving is past. Christmas is here right so some of you went black Friday shopping. Some of you've got a tree up already. We do in our house else. It's okay it's not. It's legal now to do that right. Yeah and like I said before we're going to do. We're GONNA do Christmas a little different than differently this year. It's GONNA be. We're GONNA talk about why Christmas why Jesus came. So if you're looking for shepherds and angels and Maj. I probably not as much this year but you can read it yourself right like we talked about this year. We're going to talk a lot more about why Jesus came in the significance advocates of his coming so today I wanNA talk about prophecy. Yeah you guys into prophecy. No maybe okay. It's weird because prophecy feels weird. Doesn't it it feels like ooh. That's weird stuff. Yeah and people who tend to be prophets are kind of crazy and that's all right me too but we're going to specifically talk about prophecies today in the book of Isaiah so if you've got a Bible or something device you WanNa look at Isaiah fifty two we're going to hone in on today. Okay but is area has so many prophecies about the coming of Messiah who we would called. Jesus right we believe Jesus was the Messiah we So I'd say has so many prophecies about about Jesus coming about Messiah the some people have called it the Fifth Gospel because it's almost like he was there watching what was going on so So this this book becomes really central. It becomes very really central as a source of understanding of what Israel believed what what happened with Messiah came. And so there's this really cool poem in Isaiah Fifty two. I read it down here this morning for advent. But there's this really cool poem that has these words in it. How beautiful are the feet of the Messenger? That brings good news so let's read it together one more time. It's GonNa be on the screens for you. You can have it for yourself and your device in Your Bible Awake Awake Zion. Close yourself with strength put on your garments serve splendor Jerusalem the Holy City the uncircumcised and defiled will not enter you again. Shake off your dust. Rise up sit enthroned Jerusalem. mm-hmm free yourself from the change on your neck daughters ion now a captive for this is what the Lord says you were sold for nothing and without out money you will be redeemed for this is what the sovereign Lord says. At first my people went down to Egypt to live lately. Assyria has oppressed them. And now what do I have here. Declares the Lord for my people have been taken away for nothing and those who rule their mock declares clears the Lord and all day long. My name is costly blasphemed therefore my people will know my name therefore in that day they will know that it is I I who foretold it yes it is I how beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news who proclaimed peace who bring rain good hidings than who proclaim salvation who say to Zion your God reigns. Listen you watchmen. Lift up up their voices together. They shop for joy when the Lord Returns Zion. They will see it with their own. Eyes burst into songs of joy together. You Ruins of Jerusalem for the Lord has comforted his people he has redeemed roussel. The Lord will lay bare his holy arm in the side of all the nations nations in all the ends of the Earth will see the salvation of our guide. Wow that is just packed. Full of stuff guys is. He's just packed full of stuff. Yeah and so to understand this passage and we're gonNA talk about a lot today. We have to understand two words okay and so because we get the kids in here WanNa play around with this little bit okay so on this side of the room you guys have got to remember a word. It's a really hard word. Okay the thing you can do it empire you remember that one gate so when I say empire on what you guys to go his okay so empire Okamoto and you better not empire all right. That's good okay this side of the room you guys you get two words okay. Good news or if you really want to be efficient gospel. We'll get to that in a second so anytime time you here. We say good news do a little who right so ready one two three good news there. You go you better and you guys. I'm sorry so so we need to understand these two words right. We gotta understand that these two words and because this this passage I just read the U. and fifty two just chalked full of stuff right and so so as we as we look through these two words. Hopefully you'll start to understand what's is going on in this passage. Okay so the Messenger. In this passage fifty announces something. He announced he says awake awake. Zion what he announces is that the Jews have been freed from their captivity. They were no longer captives. You see up to this point. They had been held captive by a succession of two empires. Here we go guess paying attention there. So the two empires okay are Syria. And Babylon now empires are not good. Okay so what exactly is an empire. Oh we need sound so this is an empire you can move to the next lighting because we could sit and listen to all day and watch a little clip. It's about three minutes long. We won't so what is an empire. Okay so an empire see I'm GonNa Give You keep you on your toes. Here's what it is. Okay so to understand this concept we have to go. We have to. We have to understand that empires do something specific specific. Okay so they control people and land through force so any of these kingdoms that have come before that we would call empires the area they controlled land by force. They use tactical and military force to control the land. And the people right. You know this. You've I've seen this. You've understood this. You can read history. You've been through history class. You could even turn on the news and see it happening right. So that's number one number. Two every empire fire uses propaganda to convince the people that they need. They can only they can keep them safe and the only way that they can keep them mm safe is if they follow what the king or the military or the empire says. Yeah so if they do that then they'll be safe. See Rome had Rome. Had this idea down pat they called it packed Romana okay. The called it punctual mono pox Romana was the piece literally the peace of Rome. Okay but the only way. Peace the peace of Rome was kept is if you followed load what the Romans told you to do. So if your religion your tradition your history said you should oppose Rome. There was no peace for you so the only way piece is kept in an empire is by the boot of the military but they propaganda when convince you all is well. Aw with me the third thing that you need to know notice when you see an empire yeah is they claim Connecticut. They claimed direct connection to the divine. They believed that usually the leader. The Supreme Leader is somehow connected acted to God is a god themselves. Caesar always claim to be God. Yeah favorable in Egypt claim to be God. The Babylonians never really claimed to be God but what they claimed is that they were connected to the first people who were her sons and daughters of God so genetically they were connected. But this isn't just ancient history okay. Mussolini claimed to be a reincarnated Roman Caesar connection to God. Hitler even claimed that he was chosen by God God to set the German people right and start a thousand years rain. You see you can always tell an empire by those three things. Yeah so let's let's go here. Do you think God's cool with Empires No. That's an easy question right. He's not okay with these things. Empires are not good. Yeah but that's just because of these three things these three things. They actually point to something they point to the original sin if you can read that small script up there. That's genesis chapter one for God knows who's that when you eat from e from it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing good and evil when the woman saw that. The fruit of the tree was good food and pleasing to the eye and also desirable for gaining wisdom. She took some ate it. She also gave her husband who was with her and he aided the original sin is at the core of empire. This original sin is is the fact that these he's people want to be God or at least like him. That's the core of all empires. Yeah these things point us to some truth now. Why am I telling you all this good good history right? No you see. Israel had had a problem with empires Israel Israel. Israel was constantly in battle with an empire. Okay there is the succession of empires that they hold them captive. You've that that that hold Israel from being who they were supposed to be now who Israel was supposed to be where the chosen people of God they were supposed to bring salvation to the world they were supposed to rise above all other nations and be this glorious example of what it meant to follow. Hello God in the world and if as long as they did what God asks them to do they would find favor in the nation's and they would find respect and would be that example but when they did night he would send kingdoms in the hold them captive. I've almost like a punishment at the very least these nations would come in because they didn't respect them because they weren't doing what they claim they they were. They were supposed to be here with me. So if if Israel is supposed to be this shining example in the world world and they're not now we understand why they're held captive by succession of empires you with me. Here's the empires that were held. They were held success that they were held by. Yeah so the first. When is the Assyrian Empire in seven? Twenty to see what happens is is the series move in they come into Israel and they take captive captive the ten northern tribes of Israel. They take them off into captivity. We don't know what happens to them after that. But they're going we hear no more. We're about the ten northern tribes of Israel but by five eighty six BC. Something else has happened. Babylon has risen up to take over a Syria Syria and they come into Jerusalem and they take over the to the to southern tribes of Israel with me so far Assyria Babylon by the time is he has written this. Your Act okay. This is where you're at. This is where you're at but then something happens to the Babylonians another empire pyre rises up this empire of the Persians. You may have heard of the Persians before if you've ever read Daniel Ezra Nehemiah you've you've heard of these guys now. They didn't just take people captive. They actually released all the captives that the Babylonians had taken or the Assyrians had taken and they sent them back to their homeland. Say Build your build your cities back but you were still under our control. We're going to send the governor who's WHO's GonNa Watch over you. Yeah and so the so. This person empire really wasn't any any any better than the other empires but uh they let them go home and in about three thirty one BC. The Persians are defeated by another empire. The Greek Empire. You may have heard of the Greek Empire Alexander the Great Anybody. Yeah maybe you've heard of the battle of Thermopylae Sparta the three hundred we all Sparta. You've ever heard of that. That's what this is a guy. So the the Persians the persons are taken over by the Greeks and the Greeks are little bit looser in their governance but they still keep control of Israel. They seem to keep control more about more by by word than by force right. They use propaganda a little bit more than military with me but then and in one forty-six there's a group this small nation. You may have heard of them called Rome with just a city to to start off with but then it became an empire and it came in and it took over the Greeks they took over the Greeks and the Romans are the ones in power when Jesus shows up. We know that Luke Chapter to Luke Chapter two in those days Caesar. Augustus issued a decree that the census should be taken of the entire Roman world. This was the first census that took place. While quite Rainey's was governor of Syria. Everyone went to their own town to register. You see Rome was in charge so this this warriors nation of Israel that is supposed to be an an example shining example to the world his now under captivity in has been under captivity under four a four five empires at this point what that means. The watchman of fifty fifty two is still in the watchtower. By the time the Romans take over Messiah has yet to come. There's still held captive by these empires. So when the watchman sees the Messenger who brings good knows. They rejoice just like that and the reason they rejoice is because captivity is over so now we need to talk about good news. Who who now need to talk about it? So the word good news or the phrase good news comes from a Greek word you and so everybody say that with me one two three. UN Kellyanne one. One more time one two three right it comes from galleon which means message and you which means good or noble therefore or four good news there we are. So here's the whole idea behind this is is that there is something good that his being brought or notable that has been brought to Israel and what is the most notable thing that they can hear captivity is over Messiah has come thanks should rejoice. But this isn't just an old testament concept. This is a new testament concept writing this whole idea of good news is a is. A new test is also a new testament concept. Whenever you've heard the phrase Gospel Oh aw there you are you gospel? You're hearing another form of saying good news. Mary are so so so this idea the of Gospel when somebody says to as a Christian I believe the Gospel. They're saying I believe the good news. Well what is the good news that you're leaving keeping you guys on your toes gotta pay attention. Yeah so the good news. The Messenger brought in Isaiah fifty two. Is that the Messiah has come to liberate us from captivity activity that God would reign on the Earth. It's what Jesus called the Kingdom of God. This is why the writers of the New Testament when when they're recording the deeds and proclamations of Jesus. They call it the Gospel. Because that's that's what Jesus came to do is proclaimed the good news of the Kingdom of God and that it had come so you see see Jesus literally saw himself as the Messenger of Isaiah Fifty two seven. How beautiful are the feet of the one who brings good news here? It is now that would be enough to fulfill all prophecy right. That'd be enough. That'd be it we're good however this poem in Isaiah and so many others like it or or not just about the proclamation of Good News Messiah has come. Yeah but it's good news when into addresses the captivity in Liberation from the Empire. You guys are on. Yeah you're with me so you see. That's why Jesus doesn't just claim that he's bringing good news. He just doesn't talk about liberation from captivity. He says that this kingdom has come with me. This kingdom has come with me. I'm not just talking talking about it. You guys with me. So he proclaimed Hebrew claimed a rebellion. Elian that would liberate his people from the Empire but as he did that is river body off you know why. Think about it this way. If you were going to liberate a people you were gonNA come up against an empire right. You've seen Star Wars. What do you do you amass an army you spears and swords and shields and strategies and you go what begins now and every- everybody in Israel new because they had watched their history right? They had watched the succession of Empires. They knew that if you were going to Overthrow your captors. What you had to do was used force? You had to be able to hold the land and convinced the people and make sure you're that they were okay. You had the power. They knew that. But then Jesus says this but then Jesus says this and this New Kingdom if you want to be the greatest person you must be the last you have to be the weakest to be the strongest. The one who loves and serves the poor. Jesus is good. News was if you live. Under God's reign you were spawn to the evil of the Empire with acts of love and mercy healing and restoration and those things they would disarm your captors. This is an upside down wisdom of an upside down kingdom. Tila straight this. I want to take you to Matthew Chapter Eight to store you probably heard before the story of a centurion. Centurion is a Roman Roman soldier who oversees one hundred Romans Legionnaires yeah. He was a centurion and he comes to Jesus for something specific. So let's read it. When Jesus had entered comparing him a centurion came came to him asking for help lower he said my servant lies in home paralyzed suffering terrible? Jesus said to him. Shall I come and helium the Centurion replied Lord. I do not deserve to have you come under my roof but just say the word servant will be healed for. I myself a man under authority thirty with soldiers under me. I tell this one go and he goes and that one come and he comes and I say to my servant do this and he does it when Jesus heard this he was amazed and said to those following. You truly I tell you. I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith now. This guy he knew empire was a Roman legionnaire. He was a Centurion Turing Commander of the Emperor's Army. His Statement of Jesus tells you that he understands us. I say to this one go and he goes and this would come and he comes to Thomas do this and he does so. I'm a I'm someone under thirty. This got understood how the Roman juggernaut worked. Yeah he understood it the one thing though that the empire could not do was heal his servant servant. Someone thing could not do to see his servant healed. This Roman soldier was willing to join the rebellion. He knew that this kingdom that Jesus was proclaiming. Good news about it is could do what Rome could but not do. There's one other turn in the story that you have to be aware of in verses six eight can you go back to the passage and versus six and eight. Look what happens Lord he said this turn replied Lord this is a Centurion who understands empire he says to Him Lord. It's like he's bowing his knee. See He gave him the name that is only due to Caesar. He did that mistake. He wasn't being polite. The Centurion was in a way putting himself under Jesus Authority he saw Jesus as who he he was the Lord and the King of this upside down Kingdom Watch this. The Old Testament is four of prophecy after prophecy after prophecy of on that day when Messiah comes the nations will come to him the nations will come to him and they will bow down and call him Lord. The Old Testament is full of that prophecy. officing in in this story is fulfilled. The Centurion was fulfilling the prophecy because he knew that that Rome could not make him or his servant whole this. This is good news. Okay so what we have here. Is We have defectors from the ruling empire right. Yeah we have a strategy for taking down the empire. Yeah we have a guy calling himself king gene and we have people following him as if he were king. Yeah that's what we have now. You can imagine if you're setting as a Roman official or even a Jewish official. This began to worry because this was a full blown rebellion. What empires due to rebellions? What what they crush them? They squash them. That's exactly what they do see. Empires don't like rebellions. So they arrested Jesus intent on killing him right and if they could kill him they would squash this would billion and solidify their control of the region. So if you're a leader of a rebellion what do you do and true to what he thought. Jesus let them take him captive holding Holding his Krizner and kill him. Because you see in this. It's upside down kingdom the way you take down. Evil is by sacrifice and love this is why when we talk about crucifixion when we talk about Jesus Crucifixion. We talk about him being enthroned is he was. He's giving a crown aerob- any was lifted high so the world could see and they nailed his hands and his feet Lacrosse. How beautiful are the feet of the one brings good news news now for the uninitiated? The rebellion was over the empire had one just one more time they they had squash the ones who had gotten their way because it seemed like that even acts of kindness and mercy and sacrifice and love. We're not strong enough to stop the empire but you see empires. Don't fall from attack. They fall because their insides crumble crumble. They fall because what held them together no longer able to hold them together. Remember what the core of the Empire's you see it sinn why do empires flourish. Why was constantly under the boot of successive empires because of sin because these empires wanted to be God it wasn't armies or powers or weapons it would sin at work through this empire that held Israel and the world captive? You see Jesus's death didn't just take out an empire and leave of backups. One -nother one could move in. He went to its core and says I'm going due to destroy empire for ever for everyone past present and future. We are going to stop at this thing at its core. Someone he dies on the Cross. He radicals sin and death and no longer can empire stand. This is good news. The captives were set free not just the captives in Israel but all the captives everywhere everywhere for all time are set free because God man became a baby an intern in this world and stood up against an empire with love and sacrifice took it down okay on from his insides destroyed empires at their core destroying sin and death. He had to be the suffering servants had to take on transgressions and our iniquities the punishment that brought us peace had to be upon him. It was by his wounds that we were healed. So now you read Isaiah fifty to one ten and a totally New Light. Because it's have been fulfilled Jesus came into the world is Messiah declaring an establishing God's reign on the earth destroying things that would hold us captive sin death in empire. This is good news of great joy because today in the town of David a savior has been born. He is Messiah the Lord. Amen Adam in the guys to come back up. We're going to transition into communion and I can't think of a better moment to take communion. We are full of this idea of why Jesus came of how he took down empire and declared good news by how he destroyed the core of the thing that will hold us captive if we let it. So here's what I want you to do as you eat communion this morning as you remember these things give him honor give him glory. We Joyce like the watchman on on the Tower Zia Fifty to rejoice like Zion rejoice like Jerusalem because the day has come. Messiah is here. Sure and he is. He is set us free common. EAT This is the body of Christ it sets you free from captivity
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"You're listening to women. Making Waves Patrice Lawrence fuels. Were living in a world where writers of color are still represented. Patrice writes stories that reflect families. Who Don't have a voice or face in the world of books initially Patrice. Its debut book. Orange boy faced resistance for publishers. Never reluctance to present this new and different story. It was later shortlisted for the cost of Children's Book Award and won the Bookseller Waie Prize and waterstones prize. For older children's fiction but chase lawrence speaks to susie Thorp award-winning writer of stories for children and Young People Patrice Lawrence is charmed by London music. And Saifi she loves reading stories that confound stereotypes and feels very strongly about the need to mirror the diverse range of lives and experiences. She sees around every day in her own. Writing Hallo Patrice when did you discover Patrice? There were not enough representations of you in stories and to be honest. I never ever expected that I be in a story so I think for me to say you know. Did I ever expect to see myself represented like I dunno saying Patrice? You want to be a strawberry. Because if it just so random and Seville I should be there was born in the UK. And I grew up in the seventies and eighties in Sussex. Lot Books I read were as opposed to classic Books Secret Garden. Heidi wind in the willows Little women on those type of books and there were never any body that looked like me and also grew up in a family where my Stepdad's Italian? My Mum's Trinidadian were married. Everything about ourselves different so for me. It's an absolute impossibility serving the thing. The first time I thought that we could actually be burks as in UK. People of Color supposed to American. When I was thirty two and just had a baby is two weeks old. And it was December and I turned the Latifi and it was the BBC adaptation of Marie Blattman Picart boy and I've been writing for a long time but never put people in stories because I just saw which is in stories in on writing not not not on a page and suddenly Oh my goodness we could be an store opened for me. Yeah the idea that you discover something like this at the age of thirty two patrice. It's absolutely heartbreaking. Because you me we should all be reading books reflecting all of society. It's a loss to all of us really absolutely. I think we can find our world food books. 'cause we can find ourselves but also and it helps us develop our empathy knowledge or care in our kindness and one of the things. I grew up in a Sussex and the secondary school I went to. There's probably less than ten of us out of sixteen seventeen hundred who weren't white And I had a good time at school have good friends quack democratic but remember in the only thing we learned about People of African descent was that we were enslaved so nothing about how we fool not all and remember headmaster during an assembly about just Jones. The sprinter and it's a I almost hold of him and I just sat there in the middle of this assembly with all these little white students around may feeling so proud thinking that actually we do things we did achieve. So it's how you see. Your identity is seen to be powerful to others is important and I think we can do in books by making Audit People. Heroes and heroines. You brought up in a mixed race family. How important is it to recognize families? I mean all family news when trying to connect people to read for me that essential and when I do school talk talk about the fact that are all things that made me feel different and to subjugate made me feel lesser of all the things that made me a better writer so I've never lived in a family where we're all the same color so the first family. I lived in a foster family because my mom was the only one of her siblings family who came to England so she was the second youngest of twelve and she came from Trinidad to be a nurse and I met my biological father. Who'd come from Guyana with the ball up in Barbados and chance to be a nurse? And they were both sort of early twenties plight and sixties parties and suddenly. My mom is and it was just also just pre the Abortion Act surfing. My Dad wanted her to terminate the and she didn't want to so choices. Were really for me to be adopted as obsolete quite people my age were if that patients who are married but I was play if oster from the age of four months two full years with family employed who absolutely lovely sort of white working class firm. You really cared from Chile and then it went back to my mom who had wet my Italian Stepdad's and so then looked to plumbers from there and when I write my stories I always write about families often well it might be a family whether might be bereavement single-parent family or families of the new book where one characters the characters died and talking schools. It's so relatable to young people absolutely and to see that families are all shapes low colors and hope that place in Berks you're brilliant writing from different perspectives portrays. Do you think men have this ability to. I don't know I think it's interesting with orange. Boy I've got a really brutal writing and in first few drastic. Say Like no. Marlin is not a boy betrayed. The boy's name won't showers you know and it's like no just sounds like you. I actually had to do a lot of research and two things actually worked for me was just the basic thing of asking particularly my rightist grape who had teenage sons and offended teenage sons. We observed them think of it sounded royal and secondly was changed the story from third person to first person because originally it was a really close in a close point of view third person but by actually changing the first person. I could see through. Marlins is a sink how he would sit on the bus. I think how he would see how people project things onto him. I could really visualize and gets under his skin of research because I'm still writing not just a different gender but from a different age and you have grown up in London so did take a lot of research and I'm just lucky that I know people are willing to ask quite intimate questioned. What is so modern? It's also because I'm writing about a young black boy who gets involved in crime. The temptation is to people read stereotypes to read an archetype and so it was really important for me to make very much individual individual. So that's Geeky and Saifi. And he's clings to music is inherited from his dad was barely an indigo donor. I really wanted a really kind boy. Who's really comfortable with his kindness? Think so I think it was right in a bit of an archetype there. But you know besides reading your books other ways. Are you trying to reach people? Find Your books I think. That's one of the joys of the school visits and going into secondary schools which I do quite quite a lot. I was lucky enough this year to be part of the Hay Festival's scrupulous tour. So it's they work with five universities in Wales and schools. Kind calm when usually year eight nine or ten students the ones who wouldn't normally go to university and a that used to four to middle grade mixture to next week to young adult writers. So they see me. I'm blind can hamper through grew up working class environments so we could talk about our journey about how you know someone like me. You would never ever dream that mom would go into waterstone's insane it. That's my daughter and about everything that told me that I could be a writer. Made me a writer. I also secret weapon. Which is my teenage diary from. When I was thirteen is incredibly relatable even they cringe on my behalf and also talk another. Another sort of workshops took about different types of stories for instance. How Pixar uses favor and things like Toy Story and up to create in our sympathy for characters talk about Korean dramas which have fantastic in there. In episodes spoken word poetry how to some brilliant young spoken word poets who caught on video and took about things relatable to lots of young people that are kind of different ways that we can think about how words and stories can be used. You said that music is really important in your books and Saifi as well. How do you use it in? Your Books Patrice Fifi with more in in The the first Book in orange boy mainly because it was sort of an accident in that wrote the original power that might in course just from a variety informed and have no idea that was going to be a burke and are chosen models named simply because that was the name of boy my oldest class at school and then whatever it started lighting the burke thinking. Oh my gosh I am writing a black boy. That's getting involved crime. I want to explore that because there not a lot of knife crime in in can you live comic. This boy and a stereotype. Solar thought was like how would he get his name? Wow Marlon Brando. Superman died in a films. So if his dad was really into Saifi and my biological data's really inter- Isaac Asimov and Star Trek so kind of bought that over and the Matrix when I won the other two of it. So all of these things and music. I think is something that really combined us that sense of when you go to sort of live music everybody singing the same chorus so think music music from his mood as well so he has a lot of that shape mood and bring people together. All of what you've written safer really really Madison. It's not just becoming an author but it's all about changing perceptions as well. What do you can really see the difference. It makes when affect young people and sometimes adults who have experienced some of the issues that I talk about in the books and I think one of the things that took about when I do school visits is in my biological father who died when I was in mind when I was in my twenties. And he was in his forties and he'd have to a breakdown hit Been imprisoned for a month for just for forging a check but because these are nurse obviously can work and then he couldn't meant his petit and became sort of street homeless in Brighton and he died in a house. Five Squat and talk about this and I talk about it because I say that there's quite a lot vivement and lost in the books as well but I know that sometimes when you're holding things inside it's really hard to talk about bereavements and lost to other people because you're dealing with your own feelings in any have to deal with somebody else's reactions but actually you can find yourselves in berks symphony. It feels really big responsibility. About what books? And what young people see there and how they see themselves because even at a contemporary books and issues I deal with quite tough. I also want that to be hope because I just think. Young people are incredibly strong. Resilient as well. It's really interesting. What you say about responsibility and I suppose in light of what? We're going through right now with lockdown and reading about fake news to you. Try to focus your novels on true representation of society as opposed. Both books can be in a sense. I suppose it don't set out that way I start off with characters by also sat. Young People. I'm a bit that hope that important ingredient into go donuts. I had no idea what was going to light because at the to Brookdale but it was also a time when Foster children if they were living with foster care were supposed to leave the family when they were eighteen. And remember thinking is that my daughter's like fifteen sixteen really responsible when she's eighteen a time for celebration not saying now leaves the House and I think that made me incredibly angry so when I was writing about. Somebody's in foster care. I felt it really important for me to let what her truth. Were both feeding some message about what it's like to be in. That situation and I have had really good responses for young people care experienced who have actually seen themselves in a book version of themselves so I think as something that is incredible great responsibility. I mean the other thing I remember is when I saw as before the Internet at school. Weasley Book Club so leads to give looper bushes with books in there. And you'LL CIRCLE. Take it back to you. Your family and the two pound. Ninety-nine and by the book and one of the books we had was Gotten typically which was the book that BBC TV series Kizzie was based on and it was about a young Gypsy heritage woman who left the community went to mange mainstream school where she got bullied and it was the first book that was about racism and the First Book. I think worth are these things happen to other people. There's a word for it and you can put these things in Berks so hopefully you. So you know these books an inspiration for people who feel that. They don't see themselves but they can put themselves in books as well. How do you re-address realism and portray both real endings with real happy endings? As well as I said I do think hope so at the end I think it would be false to give marlins instance and automatic happy ending in Orangeburg. See the consequences. Nothing that's another thing. For a young adult there are consequences but also let be moments of in families come together. Friendships strengthen relationships are strengthened as well so I do want those who some hope and happiness there but actually there are consequences and quite often for characters. My books that consequences of older generations of Dan as well. Because I think there's a lot of blaming young people for thing virtually without the Internet and Dotty porn on the Internet. Like all your books. Orange boy has had fabulous reviews including comments like wonderful believable characters. It's gripping what has the response been from your the generation. I think what was interesting. Is I mean I had no idea? Public works accessories working full-time so for me. It was kind of on a side was writing and being up my daughter so I didn't focus on as much as I could have. So what was interesting was going to festivals. People saying that you know quite often boys don't read voiced by an orange buoy and signing until about their own writing. Am I did a tour in Italy in November for my Italian publishes and they had given copies of the Brooklyn Italian to school so we have lots of conversations about wherever London is really that dangerous about why Marlon does what he does and also conversations about what the differences around as your boy a white boy. You've engagement with the police even if you're not a criminal so that's has really sort of interesting conversations and my as my fear was that has been described occasionally as a book about gangs which really is not quite quite lazy. It's a book about families and Family Drama and a boy who's one of life's lovely people who gets drawn into something that he doesn't want to but actually southern find himself before Muniz other type of masculinity that actually feels quite liberating and powerful. Lots of so you know lots of themes to talk about. What obviously the Matrix and Star Trek? You begin to realize that h thirty two bringing up a young child that you couldn't see yourself being represented novels. Tv's and films. What was it like writing with a young baby at the start of your career? Starting that was actually the fundamental difference really. It's I never expected to see me. grew up in really whitear via so it was just kind of my norm. London. My daughter is isn't as a proper Londoner. I presume that libby. Lots of books picture. Books especially have mixed-race families because we're not that rare. I look at look and there'd be nothing and I was walking down. The southbound wants book by Ellen Stevens called. What about me picture cutlass cutlass on the cover of a drawing of is kind of big brown face curly hair and my nine month old baby coosa picture because she thought it was me and it just made me think that if even a baby see representation what how am. I doing to Mike Characters. But he's told me really long time to do it and I think that's really part of it also is I think the first of my generation to be born in the UK. I grew up in in West Sussex and I had no idea how to represent me because I think a lot of the other black characters I saw were often in areas that were predominately black. So beat up the soap opera thing empire. Oh that came on I think in the seventies and eighties and kind of didn't grow up those community so it was trying to work how who am I. What do I write about? That didn't seem such stereotype. So perhaps it's not coincidence. That had to live in London for many many years before those books got published in publish apart from starting to become an author at this stage. What were you working on as well? Besides this? I mean when I came to London and came as a mature student to gold from senator. Eight Green English and his Javert twenty seven and I thought. Listen to hemmer about to you. So how says which eventually sold and It was a time when you it was easy to get. Jobs started working in a voluntary sector which I didn't even know existed. So one of the first jobs was working as an advocate for new project in new that was supporting African and Asian parents. That's good through child protection. So it's done quite a lot of work with organizations to social justice and equality so worked with ortganizations that work with prisoners and families of places. And we've young people in care serve always been those type of jobs. I think what does to me is that was so many stories out there and that the stories and the rhetoric when we go back to fake news you know the idea that prisons are holiday Cambodia. So not and older alternative stories and boys. Don't get hurt on stories that don't get hurt a still swirling around us and I think a lot of those that ended up in in my books. What would you advise to a younger generation? If they are interested in writing right now I think I always thought of fame something really basic? They're actually to be writer. You don't need to spell. That's what technology is. There is therefore to be a writer. You don't have to put four hundred adjectives before now because that's not your voice that you can tell stories in so many different ways you can make lists. You can do mind maps. You can draw. You can do to highways you can record audio. I might get them the list of name. Some poets that they could look up on youtube or just to the most about just look at the stories and films look at how. Black Panther is like your perfect three extra show you know. Look at this series that you watch. How do they tell stories? Stories emerge in lots of different ways. Try a might something. It doesn't matter it doesn't have to be every day you don't have to finish it but just finally think of your own voice the writing that you have to do to pass. Nick isn't necessarily your voice. You have your own unique voice of think about how you can use that tell stories. I suppose to talk about criticism where they how would you teach young writers to take criticism when beginning to write without putting them off? I suppose I think for me is the slight APAs. They're saying what was interesting. Was that last year a judge the BBC alighted award. So it's one that's sort of the five hundred words so it's from. I think fourteen to eighteen the age category and as a judge Ruth you sent I think it's fifty pieces that were up to one thousand words and you had to choose your top fifteen or something like that. And what was I supposed about starting with some of them much older than me really really similar because of the way creative writing is taught in schools so to perfect. You know you have to have you adjective preferably some of them take from the source. It's all interchangeable and I think ones that will be like particularly were at young people did use their own voice and didn't necessarily but told a story that sounded like them and something that they really cared about. So I think is actually the way that we can enable young people. Say This is how you write to pass an exam but this is how you tell a story that's here and I think from primary school where they've been told you know this is. These are elements of a sentence to try and get people out. That is really hard. Okay Patrice so what is it like when you switch off? How do you switch off? Is there something really gives you a chance to remove yourself from the world of writing less the issue though? Come no honestly. It's not even a writing a minor. Things I talk about young people say why do right away writer. It's like those so many stories in my head all the time and every time I go out and you hear snippets of conversation. That's like another story. Saas kind of saying to an that once on a train quite early in the morning. That's going at Gibson. Let something like seven twenty four am trains to Sheffield. So it's getting the local overground standing. There could still looming crowded and this argument broke out between this woman who was sitting down on a sky who standing up and I think the guy son at a crisp packet on a on a chair or something the woman to come quite lightly but they were just behaving like toddlers shouting abuse to each other like ugly. You're old and I mean I'm just thinking. How much sugar did you have on your way? Take this time of morning. Let an argument. But secondly I'm just thinking hey what they know each other you know what if why we distracted looking at them like searching through our bags didn't technology everything is always a story so it's really hard to switch off so my my my thing at the moment. I'm always way behind the curve. So just watched all killing me but killed me for a moment. I just need to find ore includes the compulsive things to watch. That will help. We switch off for a while because other than that. It's like oh my gosh. That's another story that was susie talking to Patrice lawns. Do that was a really interesting interview. It must be really really good speaking to her. Yeah you're right. It was. It was really good to be able to talk with Patrice because she was very honest. A lot of the time in that interview as you would have heard. She said she's angry angry. That she doesn't see a lot of representation of people of Color in books and children's books and younger books so she it's it's her mission. It's her life to be able to do this. And I also obscene in in two years. Where if she has time to switch off from you just heard this. She said no she never switches off. This is this is what she loves doing. So it's an incredible thing really to have that focus. Just by saying there was not a lot of representation of herself in stories and films and TV that she felt she had to do for the sake of her daughter and for people as well just representing them. I do think susie that things are getting a lot better because you only have to look at television adverts to notice that the representation of different races it's much much better than it used to be absolutely it is. I think it's got a bit together. Lente Europe's right has it diggle but yeah. I think it's getting there. 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What i like about this character in agent revelation is the fact that he is really just trying to make amends and in that kind of breaks. The mold of how we see our original see billionaires. Although bruce wayne's an exception of course so what what was it that attracted you to play this guy. Actually just just what you said. A guy has done some pretty horrible rotten things and and he's trying to atone for which is a positive trait. But i think that the the issue for him and this is kind of something i added to the character is that you know. He realizes that no matter how much he tries to tone. It'll never be completely all right and that's just because you know the decision decisions you make in your life that he made our decisions. That can't go away you know. You can't like unring. The bell as they say is he's really you know and you know it wasn't on the page or the description but i put that that's the thing that he struggling with on the inside Yeah i talked to derek You know from his place and he was in hong kong to time and he said you were that you were the choice. You're the you're the actor wanted for that role. Well i was. I was very fortunate. I mean the the you know the script was really good and the territory was great. And you know working with derek was was was wonderful and easy and you know kind of your job and you laughed a little bitch at some food and you went home as you were building to character. Was there a moment where you felt like you were there with him. Not really you don't really have an opportunity With with these movies on this level to like if it's a big movie and you've got you know six months to prepare than than he asks you know or if you're on a tv series and grows on you and you know the middle of the second season you go i get it. You know or middle versus doesn't matter you just don't have that luxury on these movies. You have to kind of go in do the role and then at home. I do like that. You're you're you and derek are doing jiji. And of course we're used to taichi on next generation. So that was that must have been cool to kind of revisit that well you know it's funny it was It's one of those moments. And i. i don't know. Derek told you but you know dirk involved in martial arts his whole life and so. I'm kind of teaching him. Not when the cameras were rolling kind of teach mike okay. This is what you do this. And then it kind of dawned on me. I said you know you never know you know. Somebody's background so i said. Do you know martial arts. He says well actually. I studied at my whole life. And i went. Oh great you know. Try to teach you and he says no. No i want you to. Even if even if i know you know this this regiment or whatever the case for the movie you have to be teaching me and even if even if you're teaching me wrong you still have to teach me. Yeah quick or the For the same as so. That was cool. But yeah and i you know i did minimal amount of taichi i mean when i look back on. It was a lot at the time. It seemed like a lot because a lot of stunts and there was a lot of martial arts in in the in the warf stunts. So yeah i remember i was there in ninety six at the junket for star trek first contact at the four seasons beverly hills and you came in and i i think it was really cool. Is that you went into how you developed warf that you didn't use contractions his fighting style you went with dennis maddalone the senate coordinator and figured out a way he would fight. That would be very different and it was cool that you cook that much time in and really and i think that's why the character resonate so much because there's a lot of effort put into it once you realize that you're going to be a lot of time with this character. You have a lot. Invested in and gene roddenbury to something that i think was very smart with a For producers and i think a lot of producers from that generation. Kind of like that. I asked him like the second second episode of the first season. I said what he want scared to. What do you want me to do. And he said basically making sure that. Was you know like christmas to two actors. You have an opportunity to actually create something and when you do that you have a lot invested So you start thinking of things to okay. How can i improve this character. How can i make him. You know less this. And more this or whatever the case and and luckily for me unlike a lot of actors not on our show of actors have to kind of go and claude scratch for people to write stuff for them. I was lucky. The writers just took off with what. I brought to the character and ran road. Some incredibly wonderful things In next generation and deep space. So so i was very fortunate. You were very lucky that when you went to d. s. Nine ron moore was there who had a knack for writing these amazing klingon stories. Yeah you just piling on piling them on i. I'll tell you a very funny story. Is that while how funny it is. But i thought it was very cute. That whenever rod moore would be would write a clown episode. He grow a goatee. And whenever i see him he be clean-shaven an i'd say hey route ninety allah and then when i next time i see if he has a goatee s warf episode goes. Yeah so great. That's great. I gotta say the the the best episode there was some great episodes but i thought the best episodes for war were of the two that he wrote on deep space which is once more into the breach and soldiers of the empire. Oh yeah fantastic fantastic. Yeah yeah there's so many You know to to pick and And i it's just it and you know i've heard about your your pitch for a series and it totally dovetails what. I've always thought that warf is the ultimate klingon being raised by humans. He has the best qualities of that and yet still follows klingon traditions and can really be in a great leadership position to guide the empire back to back to honor back to you know the details and the rituals that they did in the past and not so much on conquering as they were you know during especially during kirkstall the main the main scene of louis of the of the spinoff that i wrote is basically survival does a warrior if if he knows his way of life is going away to go out in a blaze of gory or blaze of glory or gory or does he adapt to continue the line. You know. I mean it's you know it's a choice and you know the choice that warf made is the idea that we have to adapt. And that's what warriors do and so. Yeah so i was. I was like. I said it was very it was. It was really really easy to write. Because i know the character so well and i know that world of the klingon world so well that it was just super easy turned out really. Well turn a really nice in all good things. I actually wasn't happy. That way workforce portrayed. I just didn't think that was really. What would have happened to him in. I really felt that he would be somebody in in a bigger position. Power maybe the next chancellor well and i think that the producers have a net act at times for saying to themselves and i can understand it. saying to themselves You know everybody expects this. So let's do something different. And i think that's that's where they they got. They said you you know. Of course they expect warf did in fact there was an episode where it was an alternate universe and we were at war with the klingons wasn't on the ship. He was with the klingons because he wasn't even seen in this alternate universe on the enterprise and everybody was saying well. You know you gotta have war you know in one of the battle cruisers you know fighting and they said now you know what everybody expects that. So let's just not do it. And i think i think it works In some cases. And i think it works against you in other cases. Yeah i always thought it was interesting when when the next generation movies were going to bring back worth this time you know on the air price you know the funny thing is i contact. It was brilliant. Kelly william and then after that they just kind of threw me in there and which i thought was odd. You know they didn't even like take take time to do something interesting they said. Well mr wharf. What are you doing here pretty much. You know you gotta go. What am i doing here so so. I thought that i don't know why they did that. I don't know maybe they just were so focused on data car that they just didn't have the time to to write a return But you know it. It's one of those things where it's not my show. It's i'm just. I'm not one of the producers and so you just have to kind of trust you know what they do but i thought it was. I thought it was just odd. And i definitely kind of made it known that i was kind of going really guys were. What are you doing here. He was. I found that a music to say the least i would love to see war found picard. I mean the the series really kinda cries out for him a little bit. You know. Maybe this i i would think so. That is my feeling. But like i said you know the producers have their own ideas about how they want to Portray or you know. Tell these stories and you know. War is Not figured in though so. But that's okay. I mean the way i look at it. Is you know as you know. I've done more episodes and more hours than anybody. You know on the original movie and eleven years on a series and and you know five of for four of our movies and so i. I've done a lot. So i don't have a know i don't feel slighted at all it but the other two is that you know people go michael. Don't you want to do it. I said at first when they ask what if they ask you know i in fact i was asked to come back to discovery. It didn't work out at first. I went why they'd be interesting us at omega three hours of makeup every morning i kinda west so anyway but i think that. I think that i'm a fan of a patrick anyway. So you know. I'm i'm prejudice so I always hope for the best but you know they have their own ideas and that's the way it should be. We got lucky last Last holidays when we actually got to see him do his christmas carol on small theater here in new york pre covid. And what a treat that was. He's made a. I saw him do well. We we also do that and and also we saw. I saw him do That scottish play it was it was a fabulous. Evening agree you know. Recently there was movie unbelievable and it reunited a lot of track alumni. What was that experience like for you to see and you saw people that you necessarily didn't work with some of the other shows. There was all the people from star trek. I worked with before. Okay pretty much. I mean or i or new you know so it was just it was able and it's a very you know took them a long time to to get to to where when we were shooting and lot of changes and and i you know it's been so long i just kinda go and i gotta say i was going to Walter caney we were sitting there talking. It goes eight michael. Do you know what this is about like. i think. I think it's kind of transmuted a couple of times over the over the over the years you know because when i read it it was it was a particular story and then towards when i didn't you know what i did the the The part it totally changed. Take a break. But back in the millisecond undergo attitude. Well maybe a little longer back on track capsule with more conversations from every trick generation. Got a credit. You replace the president of the united states on heroes. I think that was pre-obama too. Which is pretty cool. Yes it was. I got the role. Because we i was i was reading the producers and it was during the george bush times and so it was and they said yeah pretty rough about what i said. Hey don't get me started. I think they like that is it. Oh yeah let's hire now is a great show and i actually. I wanted to see more of it but we just got a little bit of a glimpse but that's the way it is sometimes by my favorite thing after star trek that i did i did. I did a a bunch of things that were really nice but my favorite. I did castle for like success. Oh yeah yeah. And that was just a joy that was a real jewelry. Stomach ache was amazing to work with nathan. Was i mean they were just great to work with and really professional really good and a good time to. They weren't a like. There was a scene where i was supposed to go to stop and go. Hey you know you need this. And i can help you and and it was. You know the scene is always kind of a sexy little sane and after the guy said cut she goes. Are you trying to hit on me if you gotta ask not doing a very good job. But she was she was funny but man right there as an actress and and nathan was such a good guy and they both were those kind of actors that i knew when When i first started that were kinda giving and and there. There are certain protocols you know like he's the star the show and when i came in my dressing room there was a present from him. Nice and you know you. Just don't see that these days you know so so that was an i love. I love the part. I mean it was such a fun. Par yeah yeah great series. And that's not enough to talk to both of them during the run in this series and i echo exactly what you said very down to earth and very cool you know. They both have done Dc animated movies. I would love to see you do on a ducks i have done. You know the animated stuff from years ago though the tv stuff but you know all all of that is. It's such a different world these days. I mean there's the so much out there it's really you kind of get lost in the shuffle. A little bit but But like i said. I don't think though the war Spinoff is dead yet. I think that at some point maybe sometime in the future. But in the meantime i started. I wrote my western hope. This is what i'm cool. Yeah because i'm a big western guy. I'm oh yeah. I know westerns. That i know directors and the actors in the stories. I mean everything you know. So and i really had this. This really good idea. And i started to write it in. My manager was very encouraging. And so that's what we're doing right now. Excellent it's it's warf with spurs is nothing. He's nothing like worth. Yeah of course lead on media. So so i'm really. You know concentrating on that. And and i would like to do that. And you know to be honest. All the people that i've met over the last twenty years or so are all in the same position where there's some people that are producers. Some people have ends to producers. They're direct talker. Fay's and a lot of different people that i think i can bring together for this show and people have already interest said. Hey look you know. I'd like to to help you and so we'll see what happens but but i that's. That's i my main thing. That i want to on act i wanna start it and i wrote it. I want to direct. Oh excellent. I mean paramount plus does need content. Yes they do. I mean that's the thing you start a channel. You're going to need a lot of content. That's just not and the funny thing is that i would think that they would. They would leap at a at a work series. Or you know a movie so so we'll see but you know the funny thing about all the stuff you gotta have an in. You gotta have somebody you can call fire at paramount and go. Hey how you doing joe. Hey michael what she got. Well i got this thing. come on. let's talk about you know. Yeah that's what you need. So we'll see what happens. Well you know getting back to western time. I grew up watching westerns. And i mean that was really the first thing and then got into sci fi as well but i really the one western. I keep coming back to. And it's really fairly recent unforgiven. Clint eastwood oh. Yeah i would i. It was a beautiful movie. Oh my god yeah the fact that he had to drink to be able to do all those bad things and look and just the you know the really wonderful actors. Oh my god yeah wonderful. You know. Just just amazing. I can't say enough about it and it was really before that there was. There really was a drought of really good westerns. Now you know people you know. They had a day made efforts at it. Yeah nothing like that. And i'm i'm very much a fan of clint would fan of of tarantino own coppola in all these guys. Of course the guys. You know the forwards the hawks The william wyler's the holiday But when i wrote You know the the western i did. I didn't copy them. That's one thing. I didn't do what i did was. I took a page from From quinn turn tino. And he doesn't really say this but he's a guy that that did what he wanted to do. You know yeah and right which you want to write right which you think somebody else were. Why right which you have you know your experience basically. Yeah and that's what. I did of really like a self editor. 'cause what i'll talk writing at go now i've seen that before. No we're gonna take that out you know or yeah no not that. Somebody said that before. I'm not going to say that you know is kind of fresh. For the character in this western. Is he. what what. What's his weapon of choice. He has a short gun. A forty four caliber short. Break gun that. The colt company made for him like that that he cares little personal gun and he carries a henry rifle. Yeah and that's that's his. That's his kind of goto weapon spending love the way. Danny glover will henry and Silverado now is is so cool. I'm not a big gun person. But somehow in westerns really kind of fits so hard the mythology of it you and the thing is that I wanted to have a a gun. But i wanted to be special. Dislike member wanted dead or alive. Oh sure yeah weird winchester thing. I wanted something that was distinctive and you had have something like and this guy is well-known enough to where the cult company would just go. Okay what he want well. I want a big caliber. Gun is what it is now. And he's you know like i said it's a very good story. I'm really happy with it. So we'll see what happens. Yeah hey good luck with. That sounds awesome. I would love to see you do something like that. So he's quick on the draw. No he's not he's not oh and the reason is is that I mean how many times have you heard that here. In fact it's about being deliberate. That's right you know it's about you know being able to hit what you shoot at the first time and if you're fast you may not hit. I just love your passion for the project. i think it's gonna be. I'm really hoping sometimes gets made because passion is so important anything anybody does. Oh yeah oh yeah. Definitely definitely well and i got like i said two things. I think that you know the the war. Spin-off is not dead. And this thing is is something that i that is different and i think it's I think that people would be like. Wow you know a plus you know with the whole stuff that i've done with star trek following. Which would help cheer and so so. I hope this you know like i said it. It's one of those things where we're still plugging away as they say star. Trek had a a western episode. The it's of course. And you know. And i told by so okay. I want the hat like john wayne. Like when he was in the the the The army you know. Oh yeah yeah her. Badchi and and She wore yellow ribbon and the that kind of shirt that has the buttons coming. You know like in a like a almost like chevron and and i wanted a gun and they couldn't do it like steve mcqueen had in them seven. Oh my god it was a very. He had a very odd holster ups. And and i thought that was coolest thing but they couldn't do it in time. He also one of my all time favorites because look at all the people that became stars after that movie it was like amazing new so i mean it was brilliant. And there's a shot if you ever get a chance and you're watching a final shot is where poorest buckles says you know audio. Cd it goes back to be with that with that With that woman and the shock is in the foreground is her and she's you know grinding born. He rides down and he comes into. You know the little area and in a little cutout the wall you see mcqueen and you'll brenner way off in the distance. And it's this shop that i didn't see until recently. Wow yeah it was. Just a great shot. It was a great shot. Yeah four and i love the little the new orleans where he comes back and she knows he's there and she smiles. Oh it's like she. It's the little things that sometimes an actor does would al dialogue. Just that just really gets you in the moment and makes you remember things and you've has had many moments like that is that exactly. That's that's the way i've i've directly before. And that's the way. I like to direct tedious to direct. Because you really are constrained but When i have an opportunity to do something that's from the beginning It's always one process. I've got. I've got all the stuff in my head you know. I've got all directors. It is as running around in my head. so how. yeah i mean. Don't you mentioned some great ones. There was also one of the one of the fantastic things that like. I think Godfather one and two of the best survey and there was a scene where michael makes a speech says. Hey we can't wait. We gotta kill this guy and he. He's explaining what to do. And coppola takes us slow in its crawl at uc michael go from stop knows kid to the godfa yet and us and spill affects. There's no you know. Three sixty movements is just pushing. You think that's the thing i love about. And that's what i do. I mean special effects to me or like you know something you add just to put icing on the cake. But you know the the acting and the camera is is all import. Oh absolutely i. If you haven't seen it. I do urge you to see the re-cut of godfather three much better really makes more sense and the original version and it is really it really. It belongs with the other two now. I think it really did a good job. That is that is some talk. It is but i know seriously. I thought they really. It's like the original version. It just seems like forever to get going this time. They just jump right in and and sure enough. He's being the godfather and he's trying to you know he's trying to go to legitimate and that's his aim at the beginning of the movie but yet people are coming after him because they need something. They need his money. They re cut was so much better than the original cut and they added some scenes that were cut out. There's a nice little scene between him. And andy garcia and a helicopter. That was not used in original where he's giving him advice and it was like. How can you leave this out. But but yet cocoa got to do the cut he wanted and it the movie benefited from it. No doubt definitely check it out if you can. It's been an absolute pleasure talking to you. I am so behind. Both the wharf idea. And also the western. I would love to see those come to light. I appreciate it man thank you. It's been an absolute pleasure. I have fond memories of that junket back in ninety six. All view were there was a moment in the hallway. Were i think you were coming in. And patrick was moving and i heard you guys like arguing like a fake argument in the hallway spun wa remember that that was great like you walk in with a big smile on your face. I remembered i thank you again and i look forward to for everybody to see agent revelation. It's to see you as a billionaire. I like that idea to thank you.
TSP082 - Digging Words: BRAGGADOCIO - Bigger, yet often smaller, than life.
"By the way, that is a trademark of all individuals in those positions repetition. Very simple phrases. Yeah. In the hallmark of the braggadocio is they never admit that they're wrong can't be wrong. Then you disabled Salinas, one of the things was whenever wrong. I never wrong wrong. But those were posted all over the nation. Number bay. You're listening to the podcast perspectives on art and technology with Peter Noce, and Harry pose ner. Episode. Eighty eighty-two digging words braggadocio bigger yet often smaller than life. You probably think this song is. So. Jeez. Safey Cleveland lobby very that was one of Mussalini orations during World War Two which reminded me of something when I was in school. I can't remember if it was junior high high school, I'm not sure, but I heard this little bit about Mussalini Hitler, which just for fun. Do this right now? Wissel while you work. Hitler is a jerk. Mussalini bid his weenie. Now, it doesn't squirt. All kidding aside. Amazed sounded funny, then but it certainly was not funny when it was happening. Yeah. I love it. I mean, those are two of my favorite people in the whole world. Yeah. Good ole eight off Benito adore foreign Benito. Bonito who in our show today are going to be known as full of Baraga does CEO. So what to another addition of digging words in our word today, as we just said is braggadocio, and why braggadocio well, first of all it sounds cool to say it. It sounds very Italian. Isn't it? How do you say it in the talian chill, but I got chill. And of course, it's not a talion at all. No. It's not just the talian ask Italian Esquerre talion eight day in the business. Yeah. Yeah. And it was a word invented by British writer, Edmund Spenser that he included in his play called the ferry Queen which was written in fifteen. Ninety or thereabouts. Shakespeare, invented Italian sounding names, if you remember the character Petra Chio in the taming of the shrew made up talion eight and of name so braggadocio was a character actually in Edmund Spenser's, play or poem thing. It's sometimes called a poem. And he was a kind of vainglorious character who pretended to be a night this night gang of takes his place. And Joe was interesting because the night Joan was supposed to be someone who was Knight of temperance where nothing too much Royce. Logano execs nothing in excess and here is this guy braggadocio GIO or braggadocio in the original. Actually, h h he takes the place of this night of temperance. So it's very interesting braggadocio means basically full of himself or herself right of braggart. Blustering and often a liar to same time. The old CIO literally means largest. Yeah. Large bragging Mesa as braggadocio. They can also mean Osceola can also mean idle, so I'd UIL bragging ragging about meeting meaningless bragging. Yeah. But nothing particular. It's not used that often. Nobody does have a certain impact. Yeah. It's a kind of way of saying braggart that is full of braggadocio. Sort of saying braggart using but I also rescue perfect word to describe. But you know, Mussalini. Yeah. It's kind of a caricature of itself the way Mussalini was kind of a character himself talked to me about Mussalini his braggadocio. If you've ever watched any films of him, you has specific posture which humilated a few times already with his hands right now. Just out. Yeah. I mean, this guy was one meter sixty nine centimeters or about five foot seven, and he stood there. Like, he was eight feet tall. I feel eight feet tall doing this. Feels good anyway, carry on this whole persona was like puffed up bird. If you've ever watched him on videos and his aspirants were similarly based actually believing that he could reconstruct the Roman empire. Oh, really that was at the base of his thinking that sounds familiar make room. Great again make. Okay. Okay. Some of the things that Benito said, well, one of the things associated with Benito, which was interesting. There was a slogan that was widely used in Italy at the time of his power. And of course, as power really came after it was appointed prime minister by the king back in nineteen twenty two, but one of the very common posters that were seeing all around the country was this slogan and also to you in Italian for some then I'll give you the translation the slogan was due Jay, which can meter Duke or leader, he'll do a centra Rajoana, which means literally translated Mussalini is always right. Know, if that's not the bread dose, your brag adult Johari want to say, I don't know. What is holy moly? But those another quote there that was really kinda cool. Well, there's a few of them, actually. For me. The is for slogans this one this is what he wanted as an appetite on his tomb here. Lies one of the most intelligent animals who ever appeared on the face of the earth. Think about this him Hitler's bluster making Germany, Great again on stuff styling the thing that they have in common is it. It's very theatrical. It's very Shakespearian. It's Julius Caesar. And interestingly enough, the braggers the one with full of braggadocio is a stock character from Italy's committee Adela day, ROY and that characters name was ill copied Tano, the captain, and he was the prototype of pretentious. But cowardly military man, one of the earliest of the committee characters, and he was a descendant of the meanness glorious the braggart soldier of ancient Roman comedy. So this is the character in committee. They'll Arctic based upon ancient Rome and people like Mussalini popping up saying we're going to bring back the glory of grandeur and here he is just basically a Cup tunnel in the flesh comical and torrential at the same time. Yeah. We'll come. In retrospect, I don't know if people were laughing at the time some Italians at the time thought, he was ludicrous. A lot of people supported him simply again, very similar to what's happening today. Complete lost faith in the democratic process in political parties and looking for the hero to raise them out of the dumps out of economic depression in Italy, you had additional things the thing that Mussalini, for example, was noted for the two things one was they say that for the first time the trains ran on time is noted for a lack of punctuality many facets of life. But also one thing that perhaps a lot of people don't know is that Italy has an inherent problem with the mafia or tad over decades, of course. And apparently when Mussolini was in power that was really knocked down due to martial law and so on so it was really reduced. Lease its power was reduced. While he was in power. But interestingly enough, the image of the dawn is someone who keeps it under wraps. They're not a braggadocio in many ways, right reversal. There of what braggadocio is supposed to be about the old school ones were yet. If you take someone like John Gotti and the eighties nineties he was the exact opposite. He went around and flashy suits made the press all the time. So he had a lot of Braga those when I was in Japan in Kyoto's, I recall we used to see these guys in Gucci suits coming out of very expensive cars pulling their cell phones out doing business on the street. And they were clearly yakuza Japanese version of the mafi of road, and they were fully puffed up and out there and not hiding it. All they're proud of who they were which is really interesting to see the other interesting thing is braggadocio is the place. Located in Missouri of all places, Wes. Yup. That town was hit by a tornado in two thousand six apparently it was founded about eighteen forty seven this town or township and the post offices called breglio. It's been in operation since eighteen eighty one and some say the community was so named on account of a large share of the early settlers being braggart s- one idea and others believe the name is in amalgamating of brag and Dulcie. Oh, the respect of surnames and given name of a local husband and wife. Okay. So interesting that there is an actual place that was called. But I also is called brecca those in Missouri. All plays. Bucks locks. So what's your story? People say, I'm cool. See talked too much, but they must have pity on me is hard to be humble when his grade is. Many was telling the truth. He would just talk it back. It up good. You know, what are we gonna do? You wrote lack of part of flying. If a person's reputation is not so generous bragging can help by providing information that the person has behaved generously. But if a person's reputation has already generous than bragging doesn't provide any new information, it only signals that the motive is impure that the motive is to improve one's reputation. Nobody loves the bible. There's nobody that respects women more than I do. Nobody bills better than me under says, but me nobody can do it like, which is why I alone can fix it. I know words, I had the best words like miss more person. A lot of people think that I'll be the best jobs by I will be the greatest that God created believe me. Bucks the whole idea of the Christian Protestant ideal. Humility road, basically says a braggadocio someone who's has braggadocio is really puffing themselves up and the idea that Christian idealised to be humble road. And so we look upon that kind of person as era Ghent egotistical, we call kinds of names full of themselves cetera et cetera. But there are lots of places in modern society where you see braggadocio every day road, and you wouldn't give it the same kind of heaviness or negative connotation. In fact, you expect it e Muhammad Ali Mohammed Ali great example, going back a little bit. He came along. And people went holy crow. This guy is like a braggart a big time. Right. What are ego because he gets his on the grain is our said that even before our new awards. Interesting. You say that because for some reason I never saw him that way I never saw his ragging as threatening. It was more theatrical more jovial more poking fun at and he was bringing a certain art born into boxing, I thought. Yeah. Wrestle with alligators of tussle with way, don't handcuff lightning in thrown in jail. He also said brag. When a person says something can do it. I do what I say. And that's a very important distinction. Typically, a braggadocio someone braggart says something and there's a li- involved in there. They're not as good as they say, they are only not as good oftentimes, they don't do what they say, exactly. But Monsieur Li he did everything he was going to say including telling you what round knock somebody out in exactly exactly Conor McGregor in the UFC is kind of a braggart type as well. Big time where he's saying. I am the best there ever was in UFC. It would be nothing without me. He so puffed up that people love to hate him. But they also recognize he's a very talented fighter in the ring. Right. But I would make the stink Shinsei between him and Ali. Yeah. It wasn't just the word was how he presented himself. He was our tick Hewlett. Yep. And also happen to be a nice looking beautiful looking guy. And so all of it. There was. A sense of feeling about him. Not just through his words by McGregor apart from the fact that he can back up a lot of what he says he doesn't have that same kind of what I would call finesse. Yeah. In fact, Floyd Mayweather was forty nine oh already nine victories. No losses credible and to hick McGregor from different sporting area that a boxer at all saying I'm going to beat this guy. I'm good enough to beat this guy. I mean, that's braggadocio big time. It's also press great press. But he couldn't back it up. Braggadocios interesting too because it's all about in a way self esteem, Milton yourself esteem up to the point where you just think you're the greatest thing since chop liver, and in the last I don't know how many years thirty years or so in education, for example, there's been a kind of a real switch in how students are approached terms of their esteem levels and marks and that sort of thing when I was a kid if you gotta do you gotta d- motza, and you knew that was subpar nowadays, you're not giving a kid a D so much. In fact, they've even taken marking out of the scenario altogether. And now you're putting comments like we've got challenges in this area. So you're challenged. You're not subpar your challenge. So changing the wording Chirs, well, why to build up the self esteem of the student which is? Interesting. It's basically saying build on your Bragado CEO you need to look at yourself as being successful manufacturer. Yeah. Manufacturing success through psychological means during your education me, just got an interesting thing. So from this Christian Protestant be humble to you're good. You're a success. And don't you forget that it's like the motivational tape. So while we're on the subject, what's your view on that either somewhere in between the proper place? Well, yeah, you're the middle guy. You like the middle zone. We'll talk about that middle zone. We'll with that little the middle zone would be more of be realistic. First of all, it's okay to be subpar. So part of Mesnier about person just means you've got to improve on what you're doing. So that you could word it in a different way. You could just say, it's not satisfactory. But it can be improved on you have to say your failure. Yep. But at the same time, you're giving them a realistic view of what's happening. Whereas the other one is kind of sugar coat. A bit and saying none of it matters. It matters. It's just that. You don't want to put someone down. You just want to say it can be improved. And that's that. Because I think doing it the other extreme where you know, sugar coating things, you also create a false sense of things, and it's transforming our entire society. Look at what we accept in our leaders now. Sure training a mini Mussolini's who go up to be Donald Trump's who saying we're gonna make America great again, which is just an echo of Mussalini said in Italy. And by the way, that is a trademark of all individuals in those positions repetition. Very simple phrases. Yeah. In the hallmark of the braggadocio is they never admit that they're wrong. Can't be wrong. Then you say misleading. Things was never wrong. I never run the wrong. But those were posted all over the nation. Right. Exactly. So I'd love to have that. I'd like to have my picture on a poster saying this guy is never wrong and have. All over the damn world. But it can happen. Interestingly enough from an article by Kenzi Kupa writer, quote, it has long been observed that western adults and Americans in particular privilege, the individual over the group, we give our children unique names, we've put them in bedrooms of their own. We emphasize their atonomy and needs people in many other societies most famously in East Asia have historically privileged the collective instead. But western-style individualism is gaining a foothold even in the east. Japanese people have started giving their children unique names. For example. A recent analysis of seventy eight countries found that over the past half century markers of individualism have increased in the majority of these countries. So it's telling you the rise of individualism the American dream that whole paradigm has really produced blowhards braggadocio big time in the US as we said before it's. Expected and entertainment. This is the greatest singer in the world. This is the greatest comic you'll ever hear which to me is creating false idols. Yeah. Even sports look at the Olympics winning the Olympics is something that country's brag about you. Get fifty gold medals you brag about it. You don't hold back. Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with praising good work or successes or winning. Yeah. What I think there's an inherent problem when that becomes the thing. Should it should not be at the expense of everyone around you. Because even the most successful people were helped by a lot of people along the way. Especially in things. Like, you mentioned sports sport is a perfect example champion, albeit all his talent and hard work. There's a chain of people that are connected with that success realistic about it. Exactly full. You know that you never successful on your. Oh, you're always standing on the show those who came before you and building on that. But the braggadocio doesn't care about history. Really, it only cares about me me me right on the other problem with that is you can be very successful. And do something very very well. But acknowledged that you're also privileged and you could use that to help others as well. So I don't think there's a problem with being an individual. I think the problem comes when the individual is at the expense of everything and everyone else, but that's the nature of the way. It is now that the individual does take precedence over the group America is deathly afraid of the word socialism. If you say. The word socialism their bones. Start shaking they feel the ground beneath them start to rumble like this earthquake about to happen. There was a documentary that I watched where they were interviewing people in Denmark because Denmark, typically, your after years, always among the top two or three countries where they say people are happiest that's right. The spy paying the highest or one of the highest taxes in the world. And so I think Oprah went over there. Did it this series of interviews with a few of these? Danish women, and when they teleconference on one of her shows, they had these two Danish women and Oprah brought up the issue of the word socialism, and one of the Danish women gave a perfect reply in my opinion. She said, well, we understand that you referred to it as socialism, but we like to think of it as civilized. Which I thought was an interesting, comment course, it's how you paint things. Exactly. Right. And the braggadocio paints things in the way, they want people to perceive it, even if it isn't true. Classic fairy tale by Hans Christian Andersen in the fairytale is the emperor's new clothes Vert story where these two swindlers come into town. They know into town and they figure out a way of stealing money from the court. What they do is. They say that they're master weavers, and they create this magical almost invisible clothing. And of course, the king gets wind says I have to have that since he's obsessed with his clothing apparently in his looks. He's braggadocio, Michael. I look good. So he commissions these swindlers to create an outfit for him perceive gonna have a big parade shortly. So they start working on it. And the king wants to know how they're doing. So we sent his representatives from different departments of the government of the court. Let's say to see how they're doing. And they all go, and they don't see any thread being woven on the loom. They don't see anything. But they don't want to admit to it because it means that they're. Other stupid or they're gonna lose their job or so they all the colors beautiful nickel back to the king. And they say this coming along really, well, your highness, and he sends someone else later on the same thing all of his deputies go down and they come back saying, oh, it's a beautiful outfit. You've when the day comes the swindlers delivered the outfit. They put it on him. And of course, he's naked. He's got nothing on at all and goes out on the parade and people are screaming all look at your beautiful outfits Uranus except little kid who says why is the king naked? Transparent, basically pointing out the obvious, right? It's a great story about kind of braggadocio and vanity and how in some ways the way I interpreted in the modern world, we the population use have bit into that have been swindled by these swindlers as well with all of the vacuous entertainment that we swallow all the crap and meaningless information flying attache to the internet on social media center. And we swallow that and accept it. Like, it's real like, it's true. Like, it's the way it must be. We'll social media. No you brought that up in itself. Let's talk about pace book as an example. So someone's got fifteen hundred so-called friends, which may be six are actual friends in the rest are connections of one sort or another. Yeah. Well, inherent in that type of audience so to speak, whether it's real or not kind of leads you to that whole kind of puffed up. Approach because now you have to impress on this so-called audience, whether they be acquaintances of real friends, whatever the case is by the very nature of this wide base. Yeah. There's more emphasis on trying to create something that oftentimes isn't there? Sure. Whether it's you have the greatest thing or you bought the greatest thing or you've been to the greatest place. It's all about what you're doing. And who you are on a larger scale and people share a lot on Facebook. For example, they share videos items at the scene elsewhere without checking into them. Many of them are just tissues of lies there. Just nothing there. But they share it like here. Look at me. I'm sharing this amazing thing. But I'd never even looked into it to see if it's true or not so yeah, it all the likes. Oh, I have three hundred lice in this upload. Well, it makes me feel good puffs up in a certain kind of way. So what? The best antidote to braggadocio typical antidote. That's given for braggart is to Serb writing a little bit about yourself, and you back off, and you make them cauda since the fact that they're bragging. Yeah. That's one way another way is for the braggart to suffer some traumatic experience and realize that they don't have friends coming by to support them or family coming around them to comfort them that. They are actually very alone in the world within their braggadocio their envelope of braggadocio. There's no connection to people real connection. I think once that is made clear to them suddenly thrown back into their loneliness in their existential angst really moved to underpins the braggadocio. But that's sometimes also can take very punitive approach to correcting a problem, even an extreme case like Donald Trump where it seems that no matter what people do he continues to perform in this particular way. What I don't think. It's a very good approach to go back at him with exactly what he does with the exact same style. What you mean, we can't shoot him in hang on a meat hook. Like we did to miscellany. Oh. If you're the FBI listening. I didn't really mean that literally I know we don't really, but that's not the that's not the approach. That's just my opinion. You don't correct? The problem by duplicating or increasing the original problem. So if you're behaving in that particular way first thing, I do is. By example, I perhaps show you another way because things have a way of cracking themselves. Eventually like, you said, I know there's a certain level of desertion. Yeah. Sure. That happens. Yeah. I think, you know, eventually, the braggart full of braggadocio is shown to be nothing in particular really other than another human being who's trying to be liked. It's also in some ways form of emotional bullying. Yeah. Exactly. And we don't want that kids. We don't want emotional bullying feel good about yourselves. You are a success. You are smart you're gonna make it in this world, and you don't need braggadocio. Anyway. Dossier. But Harry, we still want people to call in brag about how good you are. Give us a message. Something anything we're dying over here. Chop show. The Phil podcast perspectives on art and technology is connecting media production. Available at the silk podcast dot com.
"In the darkness beyond on the realm of normalcy. There are mysteries waiting to be uncovered mysteries that suggest that there is more lurking in the darkness than we may think. There are secrets waiting to be heard secrets that are only whispered during the night. I tied there is something unsettling at times about being on the open. Open water the way. The waters can seem endless. The mysteries hidden beneath and the way. The waters seem to change temperament at a moment's notice. What is at one? Moment Com can turn into a thrashing threatening beast. The open waters are fickle taking jerseys as easily as they give so they can deliver us to the promise of paradise or bring us into an unforgiving hell the waters abide by no-man's rule and while sailing upon them we are often at the mercy of of their Whimsey the seas especially can be an unforgiving lot while out upon them we we can be reminded of her own insignificance in the world of our fragility and how we are but a fleeting SPEC back a mere nothingness compared to the fastness before us the seas flaunt an air of mystery and at times can seem quite sinister their deep blue waters hiding things grand things but also terrifying things as well. They call us into their waters tempting. Getting us with promises of adventure and discovery of fame and potential fortune all the while while we remain unaware of the seas true intention as those sparkling blue waters are also collectors and the relics and secrets which they keep are almost always obtained by force many a ship filled with a starry eyed crew has fallen victim to the seas need to add to its hord. Since the beginning of history the sea has sought to collect our ships treasures. Sailors adventurers are soldiers and even sometimes our cities however the C.. He collects than just the material. It collects stories moments of time. And some say say even spirits there are new shortage of tales of haunted waters of small patches. Where the waters seemed seemed to be in a constant state of unrest waters which seemed eager to swallow up any vessel which crosses over over its appetite unsated waters so violent were either sunk in collections? Seem to be the at unrest waters where spirits haunt and ghostly ships sail waters which many swear to be cursed when you think of such patches. This of mysterious waters waters which seemed to devour all that crossover it. The Bermuda Triangle wrangle is often the first one that comes to mind located in the western region of the North Atlantic Ocean in the Bermuda Triangle. Also known as the Devil's triangle is a five hundred thousand square mile area. Yeah we're numerous ships and aircraft have been reported to go missing under mysterious circumstances as if breath they suddenly out of existence the most famous case is that a flight night team gene. In December of nineteen forty five five navy bombers ars set out from Fort Lauderdale on a practice mission as the bombers flew over the triangle their instruments began behaving strangely and the compasses began malfunctioning. The pilots soon became disoriented not knowing which direction they were heading the mission's leader known as flight. Nineteen was so disoriented said that he was unable to recover his sense of direction and he radioed into base frantically relaying. The situation while voices on the radio did their best to help. The team soon found themselves completely. We Lost Lee flu around for quite some time trying to right themselves but with the compasses still behaving erratically. Clearly they were unable to recover and find their way back to base. We'll soon the planes ran out of fuel and then there was only radio. Silence a few hours later a rescue plane mad with a the crew of thirteen left Fort Lauderdale in search of the men. They were aware of the planes running out of fuel and they knew that most likely the planes had went down in the waters so their mission was to look for any sign of the downed announed planes and crew however just just with the bombers as the rescue plane began to make its way way over the Bermuda triangle their instruments to began to malfunction and soon the rescue plane and and its crew of thirteen disappeared as well. After the rescue rescue plane went silent. The military began suspecting that something far more serious had occurred perhaps perhaps some sort of enemy attack for months afterwards a search mission was carried out looking thing for any evidence any sign of what had happened to the lost aircraft and her crews however after the mission had failed to recover even the slightest bit of evidence of those aircraft Speight and the navy gave up their official report on the incident stated that it was and I quote as if they had flown to Mars. It was probably this incident which really brought brought the lore of the Bermuda Triangle to life as that area of supernatural mystery. In fact the lore behind this area actually goes back centuries there even tales of Christopher Columbus and countering this strange ball of fire during his journey through the area now now while the mysterious flaming ball was most probably a meteor it wasn't the only oddity that Columbus reportedly encountered. He was set to ever recorded in his journal. A strange incident involving his compass while sailing through the area his compass began to act in quite a peculiar manner. The needle would twitch spin about a radically as if it was no longer sherve which direction it was traveling in n no while the crew attributed this anomaly to angry spirits there was actually a less spooky reason for the compasses. Strange behavior. What Columbus and his crew didn't know was that during this time there was a small fraction of the area that had a bit of a directional oddity about it? It was one of the very few places on this earth where the magnetic north and true north perfectly we aligned the difference between the two. Is that the true. North is what were referred to as the North Pole. True North is a fixed navigational point. Magnetic medic north however is not fixed. Magnetic north is a wondering point or the Earth's magnetic backfield travels down through the earth and it is indeed always. I'll be at slowly at times movie. In fact right now. The magnetic north is moving. More towards Russia are directional compasses point towards the magnetic north. Not Towards the true north so when these two north's collide it can affect your directional navigation. It causes a bit of disturbance in the magnetic netted field which can cause a compass needle to do some pretty crazy stuff including suddenly out of I know where pointing towards the south. which if you're traveling can be quite disorienting? So when using instrument that guides based on magnetic north there are calculations you need to make sometimes in order to ensure that you are indeed traveling in the desired direction. Now most navigational shnell systems today especially our GPS. And especially those navigational systems used by aircraft. These are tuned to true. North not magnetic north so that sort of confusion doesn't happen but during Columbus time and for quite a long time afterwards. We didn't know this. So when the kneel on the compass began to behave in such a strange way it was attributed to strange supernatural natural forces. It also didn't help that. The area was also known for its sudden sudden storms storms which could create raging winds and waves. That could sink ship in the blink of an eye. Oh entire battleships Renault to just disappear without a trace and many believed. The triangular area was cursed. Or perhaps it was even hiding some sort of sinister force though. The many disappearances can be attributed to those unpredictable. Storms the worms which create suddent violent waters. And that blip in the Earth's magnetic field. There's no arguing doing that. The waters of the Bermuda Triangle are indeed greedy collectors and it seems that got some of the spirits of those. The water collected are not at all at rest in their underwater grades. The shores of the triangle area are full of tales of gooseflesh ships and wraiths on the shores of Bermuda. Legend has it that when an unusually low flying rain cloud appears and floats over the shores. During the summer months. It is not a mere weather anomaly. It is the ghostly Lee manifestation of an old whaleboat captain known simply as Old Morgan. The store is on old. Morgan vary in some his ship. One of the greedy triangles many victims while in others His ship was attacked and destroyed by smugglers. Either way all the Morgan ever. The dark and brooding spirit is said decree bend to the land as a dark cloud during the anniversary of his name is Uh well it is the most famous. The Bermuda Triangle isn't the only unle mysterious triangle were vessels and their crews seemed to disappear without a trace in Japan. There is an area of mysterious and unpredictable waters known as the Devil's sea or you're the dragons triangle some have even dubbed it the Pacific's Bermuda Triangle throughout history. These waters have been the source of legends prone to violent storms which create deadly typhoons. The waters of the dragons triangle have claimed the lives of many so. The dragons triangle gets its name from the ancient stories of water dragons which inhabited to the area. Now these of course. We're no average dragons. These dragons were Shinto deities the eighties. The water dragons protected Japan from invaders brought about the rains which nourish the crops and they protected nature the waters of the Dragons Triangle where the dragon sacred domain rain and it was sad that traveling in these waters without paying proper respect could lead to great misfortune in the late twelfth. Hundreds between twelve twelve. Seventy four and twelve eighty four Kubla. Khan the grandson of Genghis Khan and the fifth Khan of the Mongol Empire Oh had his sights on Japan he readied his powerful and fearsome Mongol Navy and sent a a siege of several thousand ships to the coast of Japan however much to this Mongols dismay may on Egypt his ships and their crew were obliterated not by Japanese fighters but by the waters near the coast each time the mighty fifth generation Khan attempted to lay siege aged to the land his ships were downed by the violent waters and the sudden typhoons several girl. Thousand ships were destroyed and over forty thousand. Men were lost eventually. Due due to the extreme toll it was taking on his fortune and resources. Cruel Mikan abandoned the idea of conquering Japan and instead said his sights on fully conquering China. The Japanese believed that it was the water dragons these Shinto Deities which had protected them and spared them from what would have been the end of their way of life. It was believed that when their protectors had seen the Mongols is coming the rose up and unleashed their fury wiping out the massive fleet of invading ships within minutes after the ships were destroyed. The dragons then went back down into the depths of the water. Were they remain only to rise up during moments of great payroll. It's sad that the dragons still dwell in the waters and the proof of this has been attributed to the strange appearance and disappearance a what looks like small islands in the waters. It's sad that those islands are actually the the dragons themselves whose vast coils occasionally come up to the surface. It's so that the dragons do not like to be disturbed especially by those who do not honor them first before doing so and if disturbed they will use their powers to take down any vessel which ventures too close to their territory. Often they will remain submerged either sucking in the ships and devouring them or shooting eating out a quick burst of fire to punish and subsequently destroy any vessels which come into their waters. There are no shortage of tales of ships disappearing in these waters. Some seemed to just vanish without a trace. Well others have been said to be hit with a fiery ball of light light right before sinking and surprisingly most of the notable stories are fairly modern from the nineteen forties and well into the nineteen fifties there was a surge in the amount of fishing being in military vessels using the waters over the years a disconcerting amount of those seemed to disappear here without a trace to investigate the cars of these alarming disappearances. The COYO- Meru a research ship was sent out in attempts to locate the missing vessels or at least determine a cause for the disappearances this unfortunately this ship to would be taken by the dragons triangle which was now now by this point being called the devil's sea shortly after setting out into the waters radio. Oh contact with the Meru was lost following this incident. Another vessel was sent out on a search and rescue commission. The wreckage of the Kaya Meru was eventually recovered but all thirty one of its crew members had disappeared without trace after this incident. The Japanese government was said to have declared that the area of the dragons triangle was too treacherous for marine rain travel. All vessels both military and civilian were warned not to travel into these waters This morning also put the end to any research being done in the waters to determine the fate of any of the down ships and their crew Of course this warning hasn't stopped ought scientific research from being done on the waters. It does appear that there is something quite unusual unusual about this area and its waters for one thing. The tectonic plates in the Dragon's begins. Triangle are quite active which has led to a string of underwater volcanoes. Some scientists I believe that the eruptions of the underwater volcanoes can not only be the source for the mysterious islands which seemed to appear and disappear but it could also account for the disappearances of many of the vessels another anomaly detected by researchers is is the presence of large deposits of methane hydrates on the seabed in some parts of the triangle. Methane hydrate is an ice that forms when methane molecules are enclosed by interlocking. Water Molecules Molecules. It only happens naturally in subsurface deposits where it's cold enough and where there's enough enough pressure for it to form now in Warren pockets develop in the waters and the methane hydrate warms warms. It can be quite combustible and when this happens it does some interesting things it can can affect the buoyancy of the water which means that instead of the water pushing back at the boat with equal force and the boat floating Lebowa would instead dropped down and sink much like it was being sucked thin and swallowed up. These anomalies would also explain why so many have claimed to see fireballs coming out of the sea and seeing something large appearing to suck up a ship. There is another her mysterious triangle whose waters prey on those brave enough to travel through the Michigan Triangle Triangle found in Lake Michigan. The Triangle Spans the states of Illinois Michigan. Indiana and Wisconsin. The Michigan Triangle is quite an unusual body of water especially due you too. It's temperamental nature. It's quite moody for a body of water and it has been known to go. From turbulent want to eerily calm and then suddenly violent and turbulent again it often seems as if there's no warning for the sudden change and many feel almost as though the water is toying with them batting adding them around the way a cat will play with a small rodent before it finally kills it. The lakes fierce reputation began in eighteen. Ninety one when a schooner the Thomas Hugh set off to the other side of the lake to load and deliver lumber however well making the journey during its first night out on the lake. A sudden windstorm in storm came in as out of nowhere wrecking havoc on the boat. Other vessels out on the lake watched as the high winds winds rocked the boat about and as the waves crashed over the sides. The crew could be seen scurrying about in a frantic attempts attempts to steady the boat and perhaps fine protection from the crashing waters. Then suddenly it seemed as if the ship just disappeared and the boat and it's small crew were never seen again in one thousand nine hundred ninety one. The testy waters of the Michigan Triangle decided yet again to add to its underwater collection in one thousand nine hundred ninety one rose savell set sail in the waters carrying eleven eleven people. It said about on calm waters and everything about the ship's outing seemed quite ordinary and smooth sailing as it were however some time later when the ship hadn't been seen or heard heard from and those close to those who were on board began to worry a search began for the vessel. It was soon found but in a most peculiar state this ship was found overturned yet. Still floating the water while it showed some evidence of being involved in a collision of some sort. There were no other reports of any accidents or other damaged vessels in the area even stranger. There was no evidence evidence of any remains on board. It was as if all seven of those aboard. The ship had just vanished changed as if they were just erased from existence. When makes this a particularly pick yearly? Good story is that the ROASTS Abell heads been supposedly rebuilt from the pieces of nineteen seventeen and ship which had met a very similar fate. Not only only has the Michigan Triangle stolen a frightful amount of ships and people it also seems to like to play with time name some of the ships and their crews. That seem to disappear in the waters aren't always lost forever. Some pop backup weeks sometimes even months later and give strange accounts of how they were transported back into the past many of those who claim that say that they felt helpless as they found themselves in a seemingly unsettled area and even worse spent frightful nights being followed by strange orbs of light. Those who told such tales were often written off as having been driven mad by exposure. Even today those who travel in the waters of the Michigan Triangle often report odd occurrences as many have claimed to have seen strange orbs in the sky right before the previously calm waters became violent and turbulent others claim that while out on the waters of the triangle. They'll suddenly become overwhelmed by a strange an uneasy. Feeling it's a feeling that they don't belong all as if they're an unwanted presence in the water some even report a strong feeling of fear a year and a need to escape in two thousand seven and underwater. The discovery was made that only added to the mystery of the Michigan Triangle Forty feet below. The service of Lake Michigan lies a strange stone structure similar to that of Stonehenge. It is a forty foot long string of large rocks which you're laid out and aligned in a fashion which is shockingly similar to Stonehenge even more astonishing shing is that the rocks appear to have carvings on them one stone which is located. Just outside of the Circle Erkel is decorated with carvings which seem to depict a Mastodon an animal which we believe to have went extinct about ten thousand years ago this discovery. He has only added to the supernatural lore which surrounds the Michigan Triangle. There are some who believe. Ah this stone circle carries a curse. And it's why so. Many ships and their crew seem to disappear ear in the area and why so many seemed to experience time slips well out in the waters it seems that no one can quite agree on a natural cause for those incidents which occur in the Michigan Triangle so the sudden storms are often attributed to the southern clash of hot and cold air pockets and outside of that back. There doesn't seem to be the amount of natural anomalies located here as in the other bodies of water mentioned. It seems that the waters of the Michigan Triangle is also a keeper of secrets Do Not all strange waters occur in triangles some are rather small self contained little patches of water for instance. The SARGASSO Sea is one that has quite a reputation of being a collector of ships. The only see without shores wars the SARGASSO is a small region in the middle of the North Atlantic. It's surrounded by ocean currents elise these currents bring the see all sorts of gifts including ghost. Ships the vibe Abe of this is somewhat haunting one and there's something a bit disconcerting about the stillness the currents that feed into the circus. Oh deposit into the sea large amounts of Seaweed tweet it's Dark Brown Collared Siwi and it's also highly invasive and because of the large amount of seaweed read in these waters even though the sea is surrounded by the freezing waters of the Atlantic its waters. There's are actually quite warm. Is there also eerily calm especially compared hurt the temperamental waters of the surrounding Atlantic. Of course this haunting vibe live is only accentuated by the go ships the end up in the seas waters four centuries ships ships have been spotted afloat in the seas waters most seem almost immaculate their sales are still still hoisted. Everything inside looks perfect. But once the ships are boarded they're found to be completely devoid of a crew often. When the ships are explored dinner places will be found to be still sat as if the crew had just disappeared right in the middle of a meal often signs of pirates or smugglers? There's or any other form of foul play is never found those who boards. Such ships are said to feel dark presence they feels if something unnatural is lurking Abou- in fact finding these odd abandoned go ships in the Sargasso Sea was such commonplace occurrence that in the nineteenth century sailors believe that there was something nefarious lurking about in the waters. Some men believe the disappearance of the ship's crews were due to sirens of mermaids tempting men and stealing them others blamed sea monsters like the crack in other sailors believed that it was the dark brown seaweed. That was the real killer they believe the seaweed was not only carnivorous versus but it had the ability to climb up into the ship and grab the men whatever it was the water is oddly. Still and if you ever venture into the sea and see one of these ghostly ships floating about in it. You two might feel that strange feeling that haunting feeling that there is something whatever it is this lurking about taking people. Canada's Lake Superior is another body of water her that is known for its harsh storms in unforgiving waves. The waters of Lake Superior have claimed their fair share of ships often swallowing up entire ships and their crew in a blink of an eye never to be seen again. It seems however that some of the spirits of those who were stolen by the waters in added to its sunken collection haven't given up hope of one day being recovered in nineteen twenty seven the SS Kamloops set sail on its ill-fated journey. As autumn was giving away to winter traveling on Lake Superior was risky business. The lake was well known known for its sudden. Winter storms storms which could form even though the sky above with still a bright light blue the winds of these sudden storms created deadly waves waves. That were deadly not just for their size. But also for the icy waters the hurled forth on the ship's crew one day as a particularly nasty storm storm was brewing. Two ships were making their way through the waters both doing their best to weather. The storm and the turbulent turbulent waters it was creating the men on both ships curried about in panic as sizeable waves crashed up against them. The captain of the smaller ship the K.. Dot did his best to steer the ship away in hopes of avoiding the brunt of the storm the captain of the Kamloops however he took a different approach. The Kamloops captain decided rided to continue on course in hopes that the ship could sideline the worst of the storm and reach calmer water sooner as the Kamloops soldiered on they were completely unaware of what was waiting. I'm for them as the captain of the K.. DOC watched in amazement of the ship's course of action. He spotted a massive Asif wave forming off in the distance one who size and measure would be both terrifying and devastating to behold the captain knowing that the cam loop was endanger radio to the ship frantically urging them to change course But sadly his warning was in vain a seconds before the message reached tale faded festival Kamloops had already ventured too far into those treacherous waters as a tremendous waves swelled in rose the men of the doomed ship clamored frantically securing. Life vests the reading the lifeboats and finding protection to brace themselves for what was coming. The great repave crashed over the ship causing her to lose structural integrity as the ship cracked and broke apart under the strain and as it began to take on more water the crew was left with no choice but to abandon ship. Several lifeboats filled with crew members flung themselves into the thrashing frigid waters as the rain pounded down and the waves violently knocked the tiny boats about the men breathed themselves for the worst miraculously however the men made landfall on a tiny island and after a brief had count don't it was determined that all of the ship's crew had survived the harrowing endeavor. Oh but one that is a senior crewmen had stayed behind while the others had escaped. He knew that the men's survival level depended upon a distress call being sent out so that a search crew could be able to locate them so he stayed behind his stayed behind in order to ensure that that distress signal went out as the ship took on more and more water the crewmen calmly repeated out the distress. Call a a lonely voice pleading for help calling out last known coordinates into the darkness. The brave crewman's efforts did not go. Unhurt and a search party was sent out as soon as conditions allowed but they were unable to locate any of the wreckage and as conditions continue to deteriorate eerie eight due to the harsh winter weather. The search was called off a months later. After after spring had sat in the search continued while no trace of the ship was ever found. They did retrieve the castaway crew. Well the remains that is EC- while the crew had survived the sinking of their ship and was able to cheat death momentarily. They ended up dying of starvation and exposure sugar on that little island. What they had thought to be their salvation was only a slower? Her perhaps crueler means of death a year later. A message in a bottle was was found on the shore of the lakes. Other end the message was a plea for help from the doomed crew it told of their location and other dire situation. The sad part is the island was in in actuality not too far from where the message ended up had they been able to whether the waters a little longer so they could have made it to safety but the story of the Kamloops. uh-huh doesn't end there in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. Some divers were exploring the area when they came across the wreckage. Wreckage of the ship. Due to the lake's frigid waters. The ship was extraordinarily well preserved in fact much. The ship's cargo was still scattered amongst the wreckage including candies shoes and even barrels of molasses while exploring the wreckage and searching for anything thing of value. One of the divers was startled when they came upon human remains. What was so startling? Was that the remains were surprisingly well preserved and they were of an older man perhaps in his sixties who appear to have been seated in an engineering area since one thousand nine hundred seventy seven over fifty dives have been made to explore the wreckage during those dives. Many of the divers have reported reported a startling encounter. They find themselves being followed by an older man. An older man who is strikingly similar to the well preserved remains that are found on the ship he often seems to follow along shyly often with almost a hopeful. Look on his face. He's seen in. Every every area of the wreckage but will most often appear near the remains of that fallen crewman many feel that. He's waiting. He's waiting for someone to bring him back to the surface as if he never lost hope of being recovered. The strange thing is even divers are not safe from the triangles. Odd waters the fifty so dives have had their fair share of bad luck. There have been equipment failures and even a loss of life and strangely enough the diver who lost their life there remains are not too far from the crewmen. It's believed by some that. The appearance of Old George as the ghosts of crewmen is known. Breath is a warning some believe he appears in attempts to try to help to give some sort of warning of danger. Sure and to this day the remains of old George and the other diver still remain at the bottom of the lake nestled in the wreckage of the SS cam loop I want to thank you for listening to this episode and hope you enjoyed hearing some tales of strange waters. If you enjoyed this episode so please feel free to visit our website at night. TIDE RADIO DOT COM. That's in I G. H T E T I D radio DOT COM. Here you can find archives and other goodies you can also listen and subscribe to the show on spotify I tunes Pandora and many of your other. Favorite podcast replaces nightside is written produced and voiced by me. 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Time Capsule Episode 368
"Hi, this is Time Capsule episode 368 on the sft podcast Network. And now another addition of a Sci-Fi talk like Samwise gamgee from Lord of the Rings a character I play but I remember only one a good events. Julian Sands is a creepy man. Who's your master Padawan? Perhaps. Wow, that's great. I appreciate it off. My guy the Archangel Gabriel is that was early what is age important is that Burnham forgives herself? Because as Burnham I carry a tremendous amount of guilt and shame. My name is Alex Sahara. I played a raven Gods else to log. Iron, sure, the one-eyed una's Ricky leaders of the Sci-Fi talk typical typical Behavior special effects. And what's it like for you both to kind of act two things that aren't there? Well, you know, sometimes you have that experience anyway with people that are they would like to go to assist you in part because of the hopeful nature of jeans Vision, but also because of its message of diversity and inclusion long live long and prosper. Hi, this is Tony tellado with you and in this Edition we start with our Peter Keith who's wine-dark deep novel series is based on a museum exhibit the novel deals with the ship the Ulysses low on fuel and can get fuel near series, but the asteroid mind is taken over by revolutionaries wage. Here's part of our conversation. So yeah telling us about the story and kind of how it came to you sure. I you know, it's it's it's the office in a series and it's designed to be first and foremost a lot of fun but a but a hard science fiction kind of sci-fi Adventure, so it's and I'm very gratified that it seems to be something that people are having a an easy entry into the world of hard Science Fiction with Cool. So basically it's it deals with minors on the asteroid of series and just for listeners home where exactly is that located? Well, it's it's continuously circling the sun somewhere in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter wage. I think probably the easiest way for me to talk about this story is to talk about the Genesis of it. Sure. I spent five years. My my day job is as creative director for a museum exhibit company that deals with the exhibits that have a very high component of simulation videogames bill from the ground up to be not only educational experiences, but fun in a very organic way in the way that flying a spaceship might be if you if you wouldn't die if you made home And I had the great privilege to work with NASA during these five years of we are one of the very few exhibit Builders and it's just it designers that have a NASA space act agreement partnership in place so we can receive help and and data from them without a lot of difficulty. And that's also one of the reasons that I've I chosen I chose to write under a pen name because I wanted to be able to talk about this relationship, but I have bought an incredible respect for NASA and for their real interest in making sure that they don't endorse any products whatsoever. And you know, they had a very large strong hand in the creation of this exhibit and the help with it, but they don't have anything to do with these these books, but they grew out of the experience, so I wanted to be able to to talk to it off. Freely, so I I chose to write under a pending. So why did you choose series? Well series. It's very interesting. So one of the very interesting aspects of this exhibit is that you moved you moved through various stations, you learn various aspects of the principles of space flight and we chose to do it in a narrative form which is kind of unique for a museum exhibit and with a storyline that took place, you know, fifty to seventy-five years from now where Humanity has moved out into the solar system. And so that you could get not only an understanding of the of the concepts of space flights Orbitz and gravity and Newton's and Kepler's laws, but you could actually understand what it will take for Humanity to bring it out into space and then and you know, the probably the greatest Obstacle to that is Earth's gravitational field, you know, everything that we use in outer space right now is brought up from the earth that a tremendous tremendous cause and once you are out in space, once you are free from Earth's gravitational field, it really costs in resources the same amount of money to travel anywhere in the solar system. The only difference is time and the Moon is an incredible resource due to the the massive amounts of water that are locked in in lunar ice. And you said you visit those facilities in the exhibition and actually fly down to the surfaces. We we replicated the the surfaces of various locations in in the solar system directly using massive space probe data browsing the the lunar laser altimeter on the lunar reconnaissance Orbiter and the same with the Mars reconnaissance Orbiter and so the actual Landing areas Thursday. To drive around in the Rovers. It's actually it's one to one of these locations and what you quickly realize when you're working with all of these phenomenal people and faith that water is the key to exploring and and and to a continued presence of humanity out in the solar system because water ice pack give you oxygen to breathe it will give you the melted water and it will also give you fuel if you were to split that you get the oxygen to bleed to breathe and you get hydrogen which might be used in all kinds of things especially the plaza mention that the Ulysses is powered with and the spacecraft. The spacecraft Ulysses itself was designed with NASA for this Museum exhibition has was it slander in The Rovers that you've experienced in the books and the they were designed to such an extent that the same time. That calculated the the entry descent and Landing for the the Mars Curiosity Rover designed for example, the tank volumes and and fuel requirements for the Landers. And so this is an increase. So as I was doing this exhibit now, you can imagine so a museum exhibit is a very interesting thing in almost all forms of of interactive entertainment. There's one thing that you can count on and that is that your audience is somewhat interested in what you're talking about. Because they self-select right people for this show. They're interested in science fiction. They self-select for a video game that they happen to want to play but for a museum exhibit many people coming are coming on school buses or dragged by their parents or grandparents or significant other and they may not have a background in in this stuff. And so you have to be able to communicate wage These it's rocket science and it turns out that that's actually very very difficult stuff to understand even for a lifelong space nerd like myself when I'd actually began to work with with these folks. It was like the route to a liking it to be punished inside your head repeated. Wow, because it was just so very complicated. And so we had to create a you know, an exhibition that would speak to everybody and and communicate this with everybody and as we did this and created as I said that the the detail is truly incredible. There's a there are institutional resource utilization facilities mining the I seem to go down and you you see those you see how it's done. There's refueling systems you free fuel the spacecraft as you as the characters you will be listings in this exhibit. So it was all so detailed that I began to really Live in this world when I was in debugging these these massive simulations. I mean, they're miles wide. I began to feel that this was a real place and I got a good feel for the people that might life there the challenges that they might face and and the challenges were, you know, you realize or an equal mix of human nature and just technological future that we are creating and and so the problems that they would experience were, you know, truly compelling from the scientific standpoint when you can communicate that in a way that anybody can access hard science fiction becomes very accessible. And so, you know, when I was doing this, I I had this larger narrative that of course, you can't find to museum exhibit. There's one idea kept popping into my head and it was what if in the 1960s PBS had done Star Trek instead of NBC. Oh, and so that's what I decided to do with these books. It's almost You Know Carl Sagan Star Trek, you know, there you go. And and what I wanted to do with the series was to take you from in the first book and enormously grounded. There's no there's nothing outside that first part that may not happen within the next 20 to 30 years in all honesty scientifically technologically, and I wanted to take you from that grounded Martian the mortgage like reality step by step in a way that's truly earned into a world as fantastic as Star Trek. Wine-dark deep book one and two are available wherever you get your books, the entire conversation will be featured here. And also on my sci-fi talk scribes podcast bought a truck Austin returns to comics with edgeworld a Sci-Fi Western graphic novel that also matches in mystery two and forty seconds. Looks like a rescue mission to answer a distress call but as science explorers travel through alien gateways to heed the call an alien horde takes notice and pursues them artist and writer Jeremy Hahn took out the story. Both of these are comixology Originals. I spoke to both gentleman here as part of our conversation. We'll start with you with you. I love sci-fi westerns. I mean, I guess you know the most famous One although the original Star Trek did one. I want episode get done that with the okay Corral, but I guess Firefly and in building this world. What did you have in mind as far as what it was going to look like with your art and and and the tone of it. Well when I first started talking about it, we essentially wanted it to be sort of the I guess the gritty underbelly of Star Trek and Star Wars. So we want to have you know, a sort of a sense that you know, these are the people that live in the gutters of those particular universes and and um, you know, if she stops and the the the people who you don't think of is being Heroes of any particular story, so, you know, a lot of our our influences were were more from the wage. Western side of things, you know the gritty westerns and some of the Spaghetti Westerns and some of the things that we loved a lot but but we'll build bigger science fiction fans than we are Western fans. So we want to keep keep it grounded in a in a sort of a reality, you know, we didn't want everybody just looking like like it, you know just riding horses and and having them, you know, Six Guns strapped to their sides and and wearing cowboy hats and and the like, so we wanted we wanted to keep it grounded in a sense of Science Fiction. Yeah. I mean what I've seen so far or two pictures, there's women wearing top hats man's wearing a bowler which used to see in the old west probably in their travels or literally picking it off people or dead or whatever that we're trying to get out west in those days, but is that pretty much an homage or Maj to the old western say wage? That we all kind of used to see in our youth. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we were both my grandmother was a huge Western fan and she had John Wayne sculptures all over the house and home and uh, so yeah, it was it was a huge part of my childhood and and somewhat Pat's childhood as well. So we wanted to it's definitely a tip of the hat to that that old sensibility, you know, there's and there's the some of the tropes that we play with, you know, there's the the the the bar the local solution there's of course, you know, and there's you know, we have an Undertaker character who shows up later issue and um, so yeah there it's it definitely is its intended to sort of harking back to that sense in that feeling. Now Jeremy dilemma really for every writer is what type of Science Fiction are you going to to tell the story and and and not yours you wanted to also kind of have it as grounded as possible. Whatever we started working on this project. We had a long conversation about you know, exactly what kind of sci-fi we wanted it to be. Um, how long hard if we wanted the Sci-Fi, you know, right and Chris and I come from both come from a lot of poorer backgrounds and fantasy backgrounds Chris off my artist and I and when we talked about the project, we we realized that that while we love art science fiction and really love the song The Brilliance behind, uh, you know, the roddenberry's of the world and so on and so forth. We we really felt like like our strength where we were wanting to tell the story and log, In that that kind of Niche, you know of of sci-fi fantasy with the little dash of you know, creepy stuff and they're too so yeah, I mean I promise is interesting it it's their answering a distress call and they have to actually go through these different gateways that are alien gateways and then off to throw something on top of what what could be a standard Rescue Mission. They're also being hunted by aliens. So that certainly makes it pretty interesting as well. Yeah. We really wanted to have fun with it a lot of a lot of you know doing that mashup thing. Um, when we started it, I I love I love telling stories where Story is not really about what is on the surface first, you know, this this is this is a story about identity about people finding themselves about searching out an answer and then realizing something about yourself and that's what a lot of what I'm dealing with here. It's good. So it's not just straight up Space Opera. There's also a a meaning to what's going on. Well, you know, you can have you can have some of that too. I mean, you know, that's the great thing science fiction much like horror. I love good science fiction. Wow, good for is is social commentary, you know, you can talk to her about a lot of things and and you know, there's definitely a dose of that. I I love the idea that we can tell we can both tell a fake popcorn kind of movie style comic and at the same time really dive into character and what makes people human and and why we do the things we do age And and where that takes us look for Edge world and forty seconds comixology isn't comixology original and also on Amazon Kindle both conversations were had their own podcast at a future date on this feed and my sci-fi talk scribes podcast. There's more time capsule. So stay tuned. Let's get back to time capsule on the sft podcast Network starting September 26th. Sci-fi channel is debuting to animated series part of their t z Jeezy animated Originals Kelsey stephanitis created and is the showrunner for magical girl friendship Squad as twenty-somethings who are definitely underachieving are gifted Powers by a red panda who may not just be a regular red panda. It's irreverent funny and there's magic birth part of our conversation Kelsey stephanitis. What inspired you to create this so the very like origins of this idea came actually a few years ago back in like 2015 and cut around this time. There wasn't a lot of female little animation out there and I think this is kind of just something you know, I grew up on like The Simpsons Futurama shows like that. But like if and as I got older I never really got to see like dead people like myself where people like the women I know like represented in these shows just and then but we all like loved it will watch them. So kind of the idea came about like, what would it show and not animated show that was led by women look like and what if that show wasn't just like a gender swap of like an existing show, but like if it was actually something that's more feminine it seems and kind of like the magical girl genre is just a traditionally very feminine series for women. So kind of just taking a lot of those ideal job. Mike genre ideas and parroting them and also it's kind of the final product is I feels more of like parody slash tribute, but woke up taking those genre ideas and then turn them into a show. Like what would that look like? Yeah, and that's really kind of how it happened know awesome. Well, there's a lot to like about this Aries birth. As you mentioned. It is female representation and they're funny and it's a guy you always want to know exactly what girls talk about or women talk about when you're not there off and now we have a clue so it's great and and I like that and they say things that we were thought they say but it's great. It's great to have the series say that and then the characters themselves talk about how you know creating Alex and days. Yes, so I would say daisy was definitely very inspired by a lot of my friends at the time. I think just kind of like, you know, the way she acts the way she dresses wage was very much like, you know, so my my friends are like this this is very natural character to make and then Alex was kind of created to be a counterpart for Daisy and I think especially with this new series. We've kind of grabbed her into her own character to have like her own moment. So I think it's kind of she was Daisy was more built off of like my experiences my life and then Alex kind of was built off of the world of magical girl friendship Squad and you know and credit you for, you know adding a little diversity to two characters and I thought that was very important these days and I'll tell you the things that she says are so funny. It's like fantastic. So that's cool. That's really cool for the actors. Do you give birth? A little bit of room when recording their audio at all. Yeah. So what we do is we record all the audio before we start production. So you have the script off and we record each actor individually. So we do kind of have some room to be like You know this line you can like if you want to like take this line somewhere else we kind of every day with every record that's kind of like, you know, take this a few ways like try whatever you think this line how you would interpret this and then sometimes will be like, oh, can you try like this or if they do something very like interesting or funny that we didn't think of it's like, oh can we let's play off of that actually and then like record more like that soaks kind of like because this is happening before we start any like of the visual part in this process. It's kind of if they give a really good performance where they tell a really good joke, we can incorporate that in and then like play it up in an application. So I think they do get a lot of room to kind of really play with each line talk about deciding the animation style that you wanted for this So this one it came about I think we'll we have our we had our origin series which was definitely more inspired by like Steven Universe and more modern cartoons and then off with this one we're kind of taking. sorry season was we're excited taking this like it's really as more inspired by like, you know more Western cartoons with the sort of like a bit of the Flair that we all know from watching anime and it's kind of like a lot of the artists on this show are big fans of like all animation across the world. So it's kind of like when we were like deciding different things. It's like, you know, what do we like about what is like this show do that? We can try and incorporate here. It's like what do we want to try something totally different with and it's kind of it was kind of striking a balance, you know, kind of figuring out what parts we want to play up and like what effect are we going for in the scene? Like how much Freedom do we spoke with this type of movement? How much like do we need to pull back and just kind of let the other materials shine through so it was kind of like a long process a lot of back-and-forth bunch of different artists weighing in and I think she kind of the result is really just kind of like an adult animated cartoon with more like design sensibilities. You only usually see in like children's cartoons in America. So kind of really dead. More we did put a lot of like saw and work into the design and try I'm trying to make it like pretty and beautiful will still like, you know, there's a few nods. If you are a fan of Japanese animation should be like, oh like the way they do. This is something I've seen this show or like this angle this like type of effects. Look for the complete interview at a later date and look for magical girl friendship and another new animated series Wildlife on Syfy they both start September 26th. Check those listings. It's always a pleasure for me to talk to anybody connected with Star Trek and here are two of my favorite Klingons one was Chancellor gowron, and that is Robert O'Reilly and JG hertzler who is General martok. I actually talked to them before a virtual talk on Klingons along with Dr. Marko Corin who created the language of that claim to speak for the Museum of Science Fiction here is part of my conversation with these two talented artists Guerin was a very ambitious ruler and he was actually rewriting history much to worst Chagrin. How do you how do you see him now? Well, What we're going through now somebody must watch that show too, but I think what what occurred was a it was a natural ability of when you switch shows. I didn't expect to I started off with next-gen and actually I thought I was pretty heroic figure could because I was coming from a family Klingon family that was sort of outside the realm they were of royalty. But the way that job description was is that I was not an acceptable sort of person for and how I became this battle with with the other Klingon may take over with never actually explained then one once I did take over and get it then when Michael Jordan was moved over to Deep Space Nine. I knew I was probably going to do one off. Two things be killed off or get transferred over and and once I got transferred over I knew exactly what was going to occur. I would become You Know The Enemy to some way or degree or they needed people to fight to give action to the show and I was in natural there was interesting is they made me a political figure and not just I figured if I was going to fight I'd probably only lasted season. So the alternative was to become political and and they did that to me and I lasted the full run of of Deep Space Nine, which was excellent in my own opinion, but I have no, you know, it's like I'm one of those actors, you know, you give me the job I do it, you know, it's like the less I give my own opinion about it. I feel that's what I should be doing getting my boss. Opinion about it and and just do the job. There are certain things. I liked disliked, but I'm not a writer, you know, and and they have to go the full spectrum. They have a much harder job. I feel and and a much more, you know free job to to go and and create you know, and JG, you know, I thought in some ways martok was interesting because in some ways he was kind of a mentor and surrogate father for for Worf and was instrumental in helping him after the death of his wife. And so am I on the right track with him or does he view Wharf more as a comrade? We didn't start out that way I I The the first really significant episode that I was in was once more into the breach. Yes, and I that was with John Cole because who was coming back coming forward really the first Klingon ever John colicos. That's right. He was coming in to earn herself an honorable death. I guess he knew he was dying and he wanted to somehow Crown his life with an honorable death, which is everything to a Klingon and he came to me but I would not the first episode was these are my two favorite episodes. So I do get a mixed up soldiers of the Empire. Oh, yeah, I mean Soldiers the Empire which was directed by LeVar Burton Martock was presented as a man who has lost his courage lost his nerve a Klingon that's lost his very disrespected. His ship was disrespected. It was filmed. He was like the the if there was a like a curse to ship in the Navy that was it his his ship and and the the Klingon crew hated themselves hated the ship hated him and Worf came on and Jadzia also, but Worf put me in a position where I could actually behave in such a ways to overcome by fear wolf character after and he did it and I and I did overcome my fear of the jem'hadar at the end. We I welcome I'm making part of how smart talk he was partly was part sun part brother. That was probably the most emotionally-charged fulfilling episode. I ever got a chance to do because it really pushed Mar talk to his emotional ends about being a what all said and done being a Cowboy game. Being afraid. Yeah, there are things that I would I would undertake now accept as John and except that I you know, there are too many people involved in this too much chance of chance of rain earlier, but I would love to be able to do it. It's anyway Wharf provided martok with that possibility it worked out in that it's made in parts near my house, which came fulfilled a need that he had as well. Oh absolutely. My complete conversation will be on this podcast and also a special called Klingons on my Star Trek podcast capsule that'll feature them along with Dr. Marko Corin. And even Michael Dorn. Thanks for listening to sci-fi talk episode. 368. Listen to My Time Capsule archive starting with the very first episode and Beyond until next time. This is Tony. Tellado. Hi, this is Jonathan composer and editor of Superman Returns. And you listening to sci-fi talk.
The Money Men - Caulfield Guineas Day Review
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Obviously jumped well, take a lot of boxes in. Five inside. You know it was the logical first horse to go looking for in these reisen did a really good job and obviously soft on edgy mentioned anima was the catcher light where he probably got Shelford a little bit further back de wanted to and and really go light. So. I do go to twelve hundred meters in as he can be competitive just worth noting just compare that we compare that to the Flemington to your from the previous it's going just a little bit less. That Flemington two year old foam at the moment seems to be just ahead of this one thought on. Air. Staff Rice to. For the three year old, he benny look pretty slowly here but twenty, two, eight, four, last, four, hundred eleven seek sight loss two, hundred, which was very good. And swats that we had that she had that September run form she went to Mooney. Valium won convincingly and she's done it again, I thought the Royd from Johnny Allen was outstanding. He sort of got that one one probably took the spot the joy wanted with winter Sierra I know joy commandos happy to probably follow a backside just that seemed to be the race then because then went to see ahead to come out and chase what's that. She's a good filly. She did a really good job. I mean, she probably put the race away between the four hundred and the two hundred major. My gave really little sprint. Got A little bit tired light but she was fantastic and. Gone back to a previous founded Mooney valley she sat through all the way. So she hasn't had necessarily had everything go wrong these campaign, but she ran a good rice H. Tom and They're talking staggered what are you directing? Should measure up to that? Oh I think. So I mean September's Ron Brown's right there and I think she's just a bad day at the marks a little bit less than what September run up straight again two weeks ago. But she is running the Pitcher I. Think we've got a couple of days colts that we sort of about and running the Blue Sapphire on Wednesday I've got to see him say he performs. Yeah it's GONNA be. It's kind of interesting I think philly's a right they. Want to Sierra. I mean, she is probably as good a job as what's that was still coming on the lawn. Are Tendencies. She's probably not up to that top block. If you think that he's wrought day, she can't be too far interesting market with Monta Zero, four, forty into three dollars thirty and a lot of that was light. So that was positive sign for run second. To thirty, five to two dollars nine, he just got a little bit soft light holly discreet six into five dollars fifty just pant free. Don't want to say that again belony potato was the big DRIFTA six fifty to eleven dollars. I think it was because of the twelve hundred maters. Getting sort of these kind of distance. Also ran well third. So maybe they can just probably have to come back a pig, but he can miniaturize rice. Went Fast here, Benny? A third of a second inside Standard Tom Twenty four to twelve four, last four, hundred, last two, hundred, which was on the average for the day. But this is pretty brutal Tampa sent by Ronson and windstorm. Well, he's just really good. We spoke about it the eleven to four would then fourteen again two weeks ago when he defeated Buffalo River and it Oh, just paint at really well windstorm it was a good performance has been on. Lately off the map, and if you compare that to a whole slew. Of the guide light in the die who was a similar process in the morning but just didn't firm up and you have a look at least. Seventy, five and. Always, wanting to four hundred or it may be the wasn't traveling, but once I call it and he sort of caught up to him really quickly and he was always going to be the strongest light but. Because he had a really good platform for that absolutely three absolute cracking rices at fast tempos at slow tempos a really good platform and he could absorb that hard pressure rice come over the top of a minute and he was really good and Porky Tom these run to perfection. Absolutely. I. Think The K. was there the bryce probably a little bit of depth in terms of the market. which is rising heavily and why did get Jamie? Kabul was six to nine runs seeks and faced us which was first off. I got soft as well. Six fifty at night, and then that big push the professionals wanted to play with. Winston to forty into two. Oh, five Saturday morning, we know that apply in from Saturday morning into a dollar seventy, five pointy end into the market from to be moving that hard massive go windstorm and I were correct. It was one whole I think we can follow hockey. Stop on spayed on a really hot Tampa and really battled on while we'll be improved going into the next couple runs it was its first start for the horse camp who obviously could improve the source to another level Or be before that horse going forward the next few weeks seamless is very good rice four. Moderate tempo. Here. Point. Four of a second inside stained Tom Ni- Benny twenty two to eleven seven eleven. Last four, hundred, last two, hundred. This is going really good. A will say the first six hundred was a third of a second quicker than rice to the swats that rice and the last four hundred was just as good. So that's how good the rice has gone, but it was only a moderate tempo side. This is a rice to follow with confidence I think you're going to get plenty of these winners will come out of this rice GIF short fallacious really good benchmark for these clashes really top-class. Obviously, a lot of them walk out of four hundred, which Felicia Wabi Fan, the ad at the recommend suit fiesta the end of the grand. Yeah. Absolutely I. Think it came out of and he's had a few rods on these horse and you look at the Reis Book and he's never actually ridden a winner on her until Saturday but a lot of them were actually a Paik Ron's second thirteen really hope class rices. Might be Biden's decay fiesta flation backs up into the forty nine hundred maitree stock coffee I think Coffee Cup die three, seventy into three dollars thirty there. She's in ray air at the moment. So she gets a chance to try and stretch after seven feelings. You can't do it now she'll never do it and you've put Lawrence Black Book. Dialogue forever look just loyal hasn't won simply says, Annan I think twenty-first area and look she's unlucky and she'll always be unlucky Johnny Kyle was on the on. She's to get it a win and Jimmy Getting Swing A. Bat She might find a spot near the end of the show rice five, a standard time here the moderate tempo benefit his group to SCO Archie twenty two, seven to the best. You can say it highlighted they're. The best last four, hundred of the Diet overall taught and eleven seven seeks last two, hundred, no margins here, which concerns me octane does plenty wrong ends up running thirty, two horse. The just needs a big track whenever it gets to Flemington the outsell enjoy talking about that Rice I. Don't know what it's called now but probably well-suited day what do you make of the rice overall? Well, this is a group to white for ride rice in logical next step he's into one but as a great one also, I think they sort of got a wake white fried rice he and I don't their opportunity to win one of. Really good jumping and back into the field it did have Ki-, try and classic legend form from up in Sydney, which is pretty solid form they going to be brought up in the market in the Everest, really solid form together into a rice like these which. In reality was probably a group through a handicapped class rights rather than a group so life for I dry, sir. Although dominate if it was okay, it was court wide but he K- we talk about they shoot rises a coffee you can be. I. Think. They even bunch and. What sort of rice are you GonNa win these always going to get to the Manicotti? who eight to five dollars fifty he finished his he was the true weight for age horse because a lot of as we're having first crack wife and probably better suited to a handicapped taught price, you're right in the group one, race twelve, hundred meters, the Dalai classical the. Say Classic they're going to struggle anything you can't win but the seller the before it's right up there ellie, they run around eight against each other N- hoses likes to Tori they'll be competitive and that's a bad way to I think we'll be back after the break the next five races including all four group wants. Back to the money man we are acting coffee guineas die genuine good four track off. We've got the upgrade I. Neither did upgraded after I see but I think it was generally good for all the way through Benny let's crack onto the the Caufield stikes first of the group ones he two thousand meters and very slow out point six of a second. So I'd stand Tom Twenty two, I type last four, hundred, eleven five, eight, last two, hundred best of the day race overall so it should be slow tempo. And Russian camelot. Well I think it just that maybe he's a superior where track track up let's just my opinion and I think in the past few years we've been spoiled by wings and Black Caviar Israel talk lasource just keep on winning and on this case, in this case Russian camelot probably didn't have a quote run to suit police a bit of a quick tempo and he's just not at that very, very top level to iva camel the any sort of negatives in this class rice and. Authorities still ran well, he will be better suited on A. Fast attempt by way. Rail will come at but. He was a sitting duck, a coalfield onset I. particularly when you look back through Arcadia claims form, she's a dry track out with a really good turn of foot. It run to suit for like that onset wasn't is going to be more space in plight. So I understand he's GONNA, get probably conditions to, but you've got to have a quicker turn of foot. If you want to expand especially resources like Espada Marie ensued, dragon eye coming, they're going to be moderate those internationals I think in lawmaker genuine tempo but worth noting for dry track runs now hasn't won yet. Rushing camelot got beaten by paint show got beaten by spinned fees impacting the mcabe and then Arcadi coin he runs well, but he's paying figures on staff is clearly on a wet track. Katie four idea to five dollars fifty I will say the market again has rushing Kamara just going to a level. We spoke about it a couple of weeks ago when he won the Underwood and we say. They've got him going to these huge number. Sixteen to a dollar forty five has got this horse going to huge number. We just haven't got on stuff at the moment yet. Yes. We can try and progressing to get there, but he hasn't done it yet on the track this. Cox. Plight is going to be a really good rice. is going to be an absolutely sisal market to say what actually happens because you've got the internationals what are they going to do with Russian commod especially if it's dry track and what are they going to do? With al-Qaeda coins Kinda fascinating. I think the process started onset diabetes Judah, the wings hangover, and thinking always good. And The lights sitting up for fantastic rice in regards to the mountain cap for these holes. was there anything in that run suggests better suited at the Melbourne? Cup rather than the colts play. I mean run was standing firm if you look at it just purely on it's going to be running in a Melbourne Cup TC TC TC TC TC since I just near that everyone's going all this is sort of the main target if you take the Cox Plate of it. It is on perfect track to win the Melbourne Cup with fifty three and a half kilo was running second and running a pretty good writing. The does he need a wet track to win a count probably does with a host like Tomas who could becoming either who might be something very, very good at he's fourths ever start. It's going to be interesting, but he's so well-placed to malls fifty three and a half. I think let's onto the thousand, Guineas Benny. Quick Tom. Ecuador Standard Tom if going pretty quick twenty, three, nine to last four, hundred, twelve, twenty, two, last two, hundred just K.. But again, it was a genuine Tampa area. and. Well, spayed map horse odium gets along. To Ford the ESPN lost out twenty one dollars. And wins again and actually make submissive him really. Yeah. We know what prosthesis rice up. Stuff it up all for hungry heart. He blinked his first time on the back up but the thing on missed with hungry hot was it's an afterthought. It's very hard they. Are Starting to Florence dykes very hard together again, awake lighter and perform already was the whole with the raw timing get into the rice at the third run of third fourth run these campaign absolutely target rice maps well and go to great role and and do the job in the market. Really Fan showed in seventy nine and that was just purely off the map i. think the spade map, the instant celebrity for it to four dollars twenty just got back couldn't really find a slot creams it's ran well. Hungry heart and they you side that you really driving to the market as well and punishable understand these three forty to sixty the professionals that move these markets, the blankets first time the seventy backup coming out of a fast Ron Rice that just blows up they absolutely computers it just would actually explode. So there was no doubt that it was always going to short. Work. At my dentist for why these horses are going to shorten which we knew would happen. Whether you want to believe it as well and a few people that they didn't believe it, and obviously it didn't run up to a find the winner in the puppy without him but even with hungry heart mafia form on held up on set win the spring champion stakes just on instant celebrity. It, ran high well, you did an arts field or is that enough for her put her away comeback next till I mean capable rice up to Mall Yard Caper Sixteen, hundred a rice still at the end of the countable at sixteen hundred meters against the omb as that'd be putting in the Empire Oh she will be writing that we know they've got a really good. Record interest that wouldn't be pushing any I. Don't think she's to be a style at all. She's going to be eight, hundred, sixteen, Hundred Mehta homeless in my being told just actually a pure sprinter. Lost Four hundred hundreds or I cannot be watching for her in the employer is reckon she could be Mardi how to beatty rice the boys right? They've gone even quicker than rice seven here. Acosta Standard Time again though and the reason why I was on the Equity Standard Tom was because these laws four, hundred, two, hundred as you can say identified in red, which was the worst of the day twenty, four, six to twelve seeks for the first eight hundred half a second quicker than the girls the last four, hundred, three quarters of a second slower than the girl seek and identify the they've gone to quicker but they've come heim a lot slower as well. I'll cook he lived up to his. Ability in terms of coming at a two first round rises we thought maybe that could be an issue with him, but he's just a cult coming off the golden road near win the. Guineas only just sends the Cape Getting Underwrite Liking even on Saturday, it was on the drifter. Waiters amongst the three year. Old Cult had the last five or six years. He's probably going to be update even though he doesn't have the fanfare that cited the oldest son had been a few guineas title. Great. He's done nothing. Wrong. So I think you gotta the Paddock. Now I saw twenty, six, seven, the blink is went on first time he went really well went through the roof cross hyphen forty nine to eleven again probably just off the spade map type thing he runs fourth Tagolo was the big I dollars into four dollars sixty then. Into photos forty on the rice die and just finishes at in the back of the Tallis obviously an issue with that again, though the professionals are backing off the fact that it was going to speed the map where it was going to d'alene we spoke about William Park and what factum maybe the professionals, all the market would have with him going onto the fiber in the coffee guineas did a little pace on three warden cover and also inside trading. So he was far from thirty six in the Metro and don't forget about his country and he. He's awake wake form we just wanted to work for lock. Proportional. Striking. So taking into advant in can't the markets modest four percent will after Saturday he's written four from seeks he's near nine from forty two young at twenty one percent stroke right and he's Roi East thirty, five percent proportional staking taking mark expectation the market. If there were slightly worried about wished, I wouldn't have been with minus four percent are. Absolutely frothy Wa- I. Think. It was attracted suited `Paki could run on or in critical of have patsy vs which I do think it cost him some races Borodin horses to to quite put on this occasion. The track was race into suit he's he's riding pattern and he was on the ride horses gave Roy. Think he did a great job. Don't get me wrong but did suit him on the day and Parke's topic. Chief. He's a humble champion and always glad to say do that onset right? Because he was the real star of show from absolutely four from seeks road ten rice is he any Rodney seeks? Four of them and the other two I think he's finished a pricing on. so He's had absolutely concessional die and just from the market perspective, a lot of people were saying are parkway the market's going to go against him nail he doesn't put him in. It's just not the statue you're saying it's just not the case I always got to drill down onto those kinds of information they. Appointees Rice on the Turek they've gone up just kyw here just moderate tempo last four, hundred, two, hundred, twenty, three, four, eleven, nine, I, which was very good Acosta Standard Time Mr quickey has absolutely going through the roof with the white to win this race, not just win it but actually smack them up to win by two. Buffalo, river I think also is going enormous with fifty three kilos. This is a really hot right well, I think Jamie Cows Acadia these rice China to put her on to try and get the best air their horses if they not quite going as well as they were and MR quickly this is a classic example of that where I didn't know where he was. He's Kore- and she's going on board and nail they know he's a and. That was the rice for human. He did a really good job in. A can be competitive in in the mall Rice's over the FLEMINGTON countable yeah. I. Think you'll go to the canton and look he's probably going to get a big white again. But if he puts up that figure, he's GonNa be Mardi Tobago Jamie sticks. As you say, you've got Roy Jamie car is just going to another level. I. Think we've covered she's stayed here and she's just broadening and Victoria purely absolutely outstanding. She's going to be anything so. So last month lease re run at twenty percent winning Straw right and I think it's both China's confidence. You know when she first came to Victoria she's getting some decent rods but everyone's probably just had a little bit of query owner but she's proven herself. She's going to get some bit or rods and what she was getting when she first came over. August love it balanced that that's the he gets the best out of them because of a balance, her hands in just at righteously desert said many times. It's just like the same thing they going a lot better than what they possibly are. So she's a great Reuter in terms of a horse to fall I think Buffalo River was four forty to five dollars but just Lavi Mon spayed he this is only second up and he was a really slow run rice when he was first up baiting by windstorm. And he just he's a horse where we we always talk about this. What percentage do you want to be in high percentage players? Well, he's a horse it's always going to be. He's going to be on spade Donna where he goes to next get any cotton the grand he's GonNa go better. He's just a great career not just talking about this prep at a gregory he'll be winning once he was only taking up. So he's got more lift in the tank for the next few weeks as well. Last racy you win and you get into the Coffee Cup. They've actually gone yet. He pretty slowly nervous a little bit of talk that they've gone really hard. They haven't really at all twenty four one seeks twelve, thirty four, which is on the every time in good health center Tampa the fact is probably going to at the eight hundred really ramped up the pressure you can say. They're at the back of the TV as we say to twenty-five attitude all sixty he was second or third pick. We're very keen on in this rice we got horribly wrong chapada sixty four dollars sixty mock wanted to bay with him like he twenty four, hundred meter record is very good and he books himself into a Coffee Cup and he can he win I don't know if he can win the caulfield. Beat more class than just in regards. Dole. The got off his horse instead. To ten. To fifteen authorities crunchy. Nearly odds-on but he was disappointing but learn from that was. Concentrate on taunted pays a lot. I think once you get to twenty four, hundred meters I become less relevant and you just need two, thousand, four hundred and that's what Chipanga wasn't set point mock to. twenty-five attitude dollars sixty affiliate. I. Might Have Lost Him though saying he didn't stay twenty, four, hundred I. Don't know about that I just feel like they might have lost him throughout the wake and he's he's cactus obviously for the property. Do you have a really good prep or if? We back after the break trash and treasure. Back with the money main trash and treasure what he can to the curb any hungry slash afterthought those dead on hungry hot instead I blinking first Tom Coming in on the back that really fast rising sea need. But the fact that I didn't the fact that I didn't take into account was it was almost an afterthought. She was I ended before it stikes feilding that. So I kind in two thousand guineas she filed. So who wears some learn for my airport to? Cover. You might actually find that any white move on lawyer from age coming out of a really good rice fiesta one that rise it's a rice to follow. It's a really solid rice, but it's just lawyer. She hasn't once blue diamond. Day where it was the blue domin Jimmy Cowan on, she couldn't get her to win. She's getting everything to win. She'll winner these prep. She just wanted more money on it. Treasure Dr Willie, Park kicked him to the curb Blah few weeks ago A. Being very critical of e and in good fashion, you can just imagine you get on the rice. No said I guess I'm GonNa prove wrong that never heard off of the money. Proving enrollment. As humble champion you really bag for People Lot William, pollock absolutely tightly agree Jamie Kalfa may great. Say Great Saddle She's going to have at standing crave. She already doesn't have one on Jamie car and the coalfield track rights really well on set to maybe he's coming up and I'm sure track managers will get it wrong because it's fantastic check coalfield winners rising well, absolutely I run strike sensationalize. Camp can do. We'll be back next week to dissect a Coffee Cup die. You then.