5 Burst results for "Emma O'brien"

"emma obrien" Discussed on PhotoBiz Xposed

PhotoBiz Xposed

04:02 min | 1 year ago

"emma obrien" Discussed on PhotoBiz Xposed

"Got easier for me time because I've been here for for ten years now so it's got easier time but when I first started it was very alien to people and I was guessing it at starting with is very low shoot fee then up selling something that was sort of sometimes Tanno twenty times what beer they shoot fee he was and actually I did that for a while and I got to the point where I was probably doing twenty-five shoots a month which is exhausting and it's very hit and miss when you charge a low shoot fee and rely on up selling people don't always upsell people sometimes I'd get lucky with it and sometimes I didn't so my income for Phoenix dot with was Toki fluctuated and actually I've got to the point of it was the end of Twenty fifteen got to the point where I was working twenty four seven CBS doing all of these shirts and the income was not where I wanted it to be aware it should have been the amount of work harvesting and actually got to the point where I saw you know what I've actually had enough of this it's now because it's not a sustainable business model and at that point actually started working with a business coach and we went through my pricing model and basically doubled the initial initial shoot theon was charging and took kind of a lot of the product of out of that because her rationale which is the same thing I would say to my clients is that you've got ought to have a base shoot fee for every shoot you do that if your client doesn't spend any extra you'll find and you've got enough money from that shoot Ralph the banking on spending more because I think also if you're charging quite achieved shoot see you've got clients who were like let's cool I only only have to spend X. amount so it can be quite difficult to up sell people who are not expecting to have to buy more so yeah it was quite an interesting I had to really kind of take my business model with that where was your business mental by receive South African all from the UK now she's a British soccer names Paulie Alexander says she was a photographer turns coach so it was actually quite interesting working with her I like the fact that she'd been down the Saint Paul's me in South Africa no so she's UK k. based she sort of works of a digital nomad now but I knew she'd had the model of kind of running a successful photography business in the UK so it was that she really helpful to work to get my business really kind of a lot more streamlined here when you first hide her and she started telling you that you have to w prices and you need to change the way you doing things we we coming in with the answer hang on this is South Africa's different hand a little bit of a sort of said to you know I don't know if I can do that because I don't know if people are going to pay that and obviously I knew I had some people who would spending five six hundred dollars On extras from shoot so I knew it was possible it was not I haven't done it totally just it was possible on a very hidden kind of cross your fingers and hope these people buy mole so the possibility was there so it wasn't a turtle kind of title uncharted territory it was just a fact of putting the shoot the officer was actually pretty high but was quite terrifying they when we first did it I sat for six weeks with no bookings I had lots of enquiries requires and I sent stuff outs and I'd have people say oh no it's far too expensive and I remember sitting thinking this woman has killed my business I love it you did but it was also I was at the point I actually don't want to go back to charging what was charging because I wasn't making enough money and it was just kind of the whole thing was miserable so in Chiba sanctum it. You know you just go to sit tight and work on your mind sets and get yourself into a place where you actually believe in the the worst of what you're charging and then I kid you not literally six weeks off to put these prices apricot three bouquets in one day wow that's strange range and what was the reason why.

"emma obrien" Discussed on PhotoBiz Xposed

PhotoBiz Xposed

10:53 min | 1 year ago

"emma obrien" Discussed on PhotoBiz Xposed

"Photographer in South Africa owns one thousand dollars per month now Emma does a combination of commercial work and private client shoots and in addition to her portrait photography Business Emma is a Nikon Con South Africa School China she also mentors other photographers on a one on one basis and more structured workshops collaboration with Nick on and once I learned about the business she built in such a tough market on new she'd make a great kiss for us on rat to have a with us now emma welcome thank you very much great to be here it sounds is like leaving a busy and exciting in South Africa what's taking up most of your time in regards to business the Nikon stuff where portraits so it's mostly the portrait photography at the moment and oversee touched on the business mentoring which has been something I started in January so I've been gradually building that in as well and then I have a houseful of animals as well so life is usually for she chaotic before I hit record you telling me that you have six dogs a parrot yet the Vick's dogs a parrot why do you have six dogs why do I have six dogs well I do quite a lot of them work with animal Oh shelters so I think once you start getting into the world of animal rescue you end up taking stuff home yet set up gradually accumulated more and more dogs as time's gone on so my fiance has put a cap on it at six and I think companies threatened with albeit victims if I bring any more dogs home blame them for placing that limit there I would have done it before six yeah the last two that came in were a total where an accident so I volunteered to bottle feed three puppies that had been often and we got them at two days all and I said to him I promise promise I'm going to rehome them all and then as they got bigger and I got more attached to them I manage to be home one of them and we still have the other two and and they went from four hundred and fifty grams to nearly thirty kilograms now it's chaos all the time I'm guessing you don't do hun bye shoots with the other pets I do I go to stadium at home it's kind of sort of contains we've got a bit of a basement so it's contained eh so it's just a little bit of logistics management when I've got other people coming through with dogs seminar all kind of tucked away that we sort of just about managed to do it I I before we dive into the full visa side of things how did you end up in South Africa and as a photographer there so I moved have to Santa Cruz in two thousand nine with the boyfriend I was with at the time so he was also British and he got a job so a divorce and I had had a small Dole tests so it was kind of an opportunity for a fresh start so we moved out here and I just loved it here and that relationship ended in twenty twelve and I've stayed here so it was one of the very interesting kind of moving countries because obviously very different from the UK and I think it's just I like to hear this lots of open space the weather is obviously much better than the people here are amazing and really friendly and I just kind of evicted for me so I'm very happy here so will oh you photographer back in the UK or all start here in South Africa now I started my photography career in the UK in two thousand four and I actually started kids bikes brock and weddings I'd gone to college an to do a diploma in Photography and at the time of two thousand and foles longtime ago we were doing doctrine trim stuff back then one of the girls on my course was doing a bit of work for local photography studio and she said Oh you know this guy needs more people to gun shoot weddings readings for him sausage cool do that so I went out and shot to these very low value weddings just say to shot to weddings for him and then I so I think I can probably do this so I just set a business up and started just like that which is interesting I can imagine I can imagine doing the in the UK before you move to South Africa so five years in the UK was chasing weddings fall before I moved here okay so just before we get into the South African your business we're in south South Africa are you I'm in and Cherian which is halfway between Pretoria and Johannesburg and give me an idea in the listener idea of the demographic graphic of your clientele and the local area so it's quite a difficult one with South Africa because obviously cynic Konomi with an incredibly huge huge demographic of people who probably five dollars a day in this huge rich and poor divide here and then you've got the other extreme head hey with people who drive around in Ferraris so it's a very interesting sort of economy so I'm working with hit photography shoot weddings here so I got I guess it's sort of difficult to discover you gotTa middle-class demographic here I'm working with to most of your clients would be doctors lawyers that kind of clientele absolutely doctors lawyers architects those sort of people I guess the people that are only well here and can't can't afford to commission photography Roddick Hassle Okay so you moved from UK you've been shooting weddings you come to South Africa and it's a whole new country three yet did you start photography business immediately and had did you start it so I kind of I was quite lucky when I arrived said the boyfriend I came here with he he was a software programmer so we had a very well paid job here so I wasn't under any pressure to have to go out and do what and I will say at that time didn't have a permit to table made to go out and do work such I'm just kind of started making contact with people networking with people and I started doing quite a bit of charity works had time on my hands I'm quite philanthropic so it's always been a bit of an underlying theme of my photography is wanting to use my work to make a difference in the world so when I arrived after had that perfect opportunity so I started to get involved with my local SPCA animal shelter. I went and adopted a dog and I said to them at the time you know from a photographer perhaps help you so I volunteered to help them shoot a fundraising calendar and that's something we lead the first one came out in twenty twelve and we've got a twenty twenty one is being launched said that's the project that's raise an awful lot of money I'm just trying to think putting it into dollars that's probably raised about seventy five thousand dollars last how many years is that seven years so it's been a really cool project to be apart all up and then obviously through that I started to pick up hit photography few works at the pet photography was a title accidents when I arrived here I got managed to get a business permit to the the sort of gradually set the business up here now I just one thing to say is I decided not to shoot weddings when I arrived here because I actually got to the point where are really despised shooting them I know you should you should if weddings I've been through website really works really beautiful and I got to the point with its in the UK it was very difficult because obviously the weather's ferry hit and miss so you'd go to a wedding and a beautiful venue and then it would start to rain and then everybody looks at you like you're going to perform a miracle and actually discuss the point Russell you know what I actually really not enjoying the pressure Hicks was getting very frustrated because you've got a lovely venue with useful grounds and then you you can't go outside because it's raining and I'm thinking actually I'm not enjoying going out every weekend doing this type I decided to take on portrait photography when I got here so that was kind of the nation I decide to govern so that was kids and families will pits yes yes so I started off when I arrived herself doing kids and families so so maternity and newborn family shoots and then once I started doing the SPCA ended up berry accidentally photographing animals IOS and realizing I had a bit of a talent for it I went down the road with that nation so majority of my work now is clients who have dogs so you know a a lot of time it's just photos the dokes then I'll have people who come to me who having a baby and they've got dogs and they want to have the dogs included in the new able and shakes so it's just it's built very interestingly around this concept of the fact that the dogs can be included and then we build the rest of the family and around it it's not it's not like I said dogs really your specialty that's why people are coming to you today yes that's it I I want to dive into how you built the busy so you have in the intro are mentioned that you'll ruining Iran ten thousand dollars a month whereas most of the talk in South Africa earning one thousand why is this such such a huge difference. Why isn't that big chasm between you and these other photographers here we've touched on this very big kind of earning gap here an across the board in the country and I think this is a country that South Africa's sort of seems to really undervalue creatives an undervalue you? People who provide a service is the expectation that because you're just doing you're providing a service and not necessarily something tangible that it shouldn't and cost very much and I think a lot of people are schooled into this that they've got to be as cheap as possible otherwise everybody will book an I saw when arrived here I started off being very very cheap to build my business and my business model that I bought here was the same that I've been using I think it's similar with the with the states and probably very similar in Australia of this model of charging a shoot fee and then op selling clients with Princeton products so is that what you do you'll weap- yeah I think that's popular right around the world yeah it wasn't popular here and it still isn't it's quite interesting search nick the expectation here for the majority of people as they book shoot and they get all the digital files so you have to charge a hefty fee up front for for them to be happy is that right will yes but what photographers doing here is charging a very low rate and just giving all the files away that's been that's up that's the thing thing so I've come in with my overseas model and it's taken a while to sort of educate my clients about the fact that they're going to pay a fee and then they're going to get stuff us they're going to get their work prince hits I so you're still using the UK model you're helping your your client to see that's the way you work yes that's it so often it.

"emma obrien" Discussed on PhotoBiz Xposed

PhotoBiz Xposed

06:23 min | 1 year ago

"emma obrien" Discussed on PhotoBiz Xposed

"Position of one of those stuff and is listening back to an interview or even my boss talking walking in Bat me and my role to someone else I wanted to reference me by my Nyman and what I do my title I I totally agree with you look I'm I'm looking forward order sharing this with with listeners and getting their feedback let's let's talk about it in saw vice grip all make sure that you'll tagged anything you can jump in there there and making your point in fighting for what you believe in which would you always do which is awesome you have you have a son and a daughter don't you breath for decoding the kids yeah I mean sometimes we over McCain yeah so is that different yeah well it's not gender specific specific decide the cage the same as the stall sorry but also it depends on the conversations well like if I'm talking about something that Donald something nice nice to see if he would use the names adjacent that you know that's that's different she took me about in people who work for you that a then it doing amazing sales and and making a business successful you know and that's quite different to talking about your children's side it's not every situation hey you're part of a mass group have you guys discussed that this topic in the group now if they lose his annual in Jacob Jacob Grayson be Ah Liking Alien Jacob and win during Haley and it's amazing like we have been meeting every single week in two years more than two years way have the EPA meese awake it's just incredible what has done yet we credit getting giving that is so good two years every way that's amazing that's fantastic I'll bet you're now hearing this before they spoken to you you they thinking Oh my God I got stopped what do I call them when I'm talking to and now they're all they're all some their yeah we have politics now just on a slightly different topic do you follow listen to Jordan Peterson Ni- have uh-huh have you heard of him on Youtube so he all of that way he talks a lot about gender equality inequality yeah be interesting to hear your thoughts on him when you have a chance to have ever listen to one or two of these videos cool any this has been great thanks for thanks for saying Yes to recording this another is your little unawares and appreciate you contacting may as well and sharing thoughts because it's some it's cool to get this stuff out there and and chat about it as and I really appreciate the eating manage well yeah I mean we could have attended saying let's talk about things and change the world one step edited Anne if I talked to you before have a fantastic Christmas say hi Matt Hype You have an amazing busy season which gets you right in the middle of now yeah yeah thank you have already that was Anne and me chatting I'd love to hear your thoughts on what any has to share you guilty referring to your staff as the girls if you have or have you noticed other guests on the podcast or other photographers maybe inside facebook groups that you're a member of referring to this stuff as the girls have you seen photographers referring to mile stop as the boys all is any making a big fuss about nothing and this isn't even on your writer it's not something that we have to worry about whatever your thoughts whatever your position on this is I'm candy he read about them I'm sure any is to leave a comment comment in the comments area of the show and you can find them this week at photo bs x dot com for slash three three three all if you're a premium member let's chat about inside the members facebook group feel free to tag any if you are a member and let's get the conversation rolling on this topic taint in last week's episode of the podcast I interviewed underwater photographer Brett Stanley and what I- Creative Mazda Asta this guy is I just love what he creates a love the fact that he has mermaids as clients socal but you know there was more to his business photography that interview than he's creativity and what he does for his clients business behind the photography and maybe maybe a little tough in saying that Brett was lazy with these business I actually I think it was him that use those words I use it in an email and also as the title philosophies interview the really he may described himself as lazy to me I I see that as a lifestyle choice and I'm sure Brett does house to I mean I'm sure here's a bit tongue in cheek when he called himself lazy I'm sure he's anything but lazy could he have a more successful well more profitable business yeah I think so and I think any any photography any photographer photography business coach listening to Brett would agree that yes he could be making eight Hun- more money from his business from his creativity eighteen from his vision and what he does but he chooses not to because he loves a lost all that he's created Iran he's photography pizzas anyway do you agree am I on track track is doing the right thing is there a right or wrong way to run a photography business if the person behind the business has lost all that they want candy he your thoughts on that one to leave comments in the comments area or let's chat about it inside the Nimbus group if you haven't heard that interview with Brit make sure you get back and listen and please have a look at his incredible work as well you're listening to the number one photography business podcast with Andrew Helmets which photo Biz dot com we are going to jump into this interview with Emma O'Brien in just a second.

"emma obrien" Discussed on PhotoBiz Xposed

PhotoBiz Xposed

11:28 min | 1 year ago

"emma obrien" Discussed on PhotoBiz Xposed

"Any pain from milk and honey photography on the line at the moment and and any if you unfamiliar with her is a sydney-based otographer she has business with her husband Matt they shoot weddings and portraits. She's been in business for I think it's over twenty years now I think certainly longer than me because she was an influence and the positive influence and might maybe mental mental but certainly someone to look up to one I started in the I I think any was the new South Wales President back then I'm guessing here but I'm pretty sure she's a multiple master photographer as well and every time she comes on the show as a surprise but the always says yes with a smile and I'll get beaten up afterwards but she sent me this text message this morning Pam Messenger and she says i Andrew Hyper Yeah well I just wanted to broach something that has been bothering macy's I started in the industry and I was wondering how we could encourage people to stop calling the office staff the girls on notice that you often deliberately asinine which is perfect even staff members is better thank you for sitting a positive example it comes up quite a bit and makes me cringe every time so I'd let you know and she goes on to say about a little nice things so any welcome back to the podcast first up thank so you get all that Intro Ron you've been shooting forever twenty years multiple muscle photographer yes yes that was that was very impressive yeah Disney ago I wouldn't dare I mean I I I first of all I guess on that topic is it only Nile photographers the doing this or is it female photographers to well actually I I he people doing it in lots of different industries not even the topography industry and it probably does come from from an ammunition and general generalization is ation I think that people use but yes this typically in the in the tug affi industry it it happens Ends as I think as being around the the twenty years and when Alice came into the industry twenty four it was a very mild dominated industry street was mine as the boys all and it was very unusual to be a female photographer I really need to St back then so I think I think that we've come a long way in twenty years but I fe- elect some of the language around the way that people talk about their they stop often and people that they work with United makes me cringe that that hasn't that language hasn't changed very much you cringe when you hear a female business owner saying as well as a mile or is it Monday the miles that you notice you know I cringed when females as well and I think that said that the the two things that stand out specifically about what we're talking about is when people are describing their business and they say or when knitting introduced I an ally they worked with their wife and and then when they go on to talk about the goals in the office gals at the front desk or the girls in production on that that specifically what we're talking about sorry I noticed that when you introduce me today he deny any let's husband Matsui's so you name it is really nice offended and having end the fact that he's my husband that's great that's reference Often people say the name and I just say that I worked with their wives which implies a certain type of way they were and to me it also believes the job all the wife's old sales you know it's like we all know that those people who are working in the team in business I I really quite probably the ones that are running the crux of the business and you know doing some really important wax so she should be labeling them we saw size titles I think just doesn't get some justice that I deserve so when I introduced you and I talked about Matt that your husband if I had to just said your husband works in the businesses well does that send the wrong message do you feel yeah I think if you had to set all you know anyways the husband or any husbands into business as well like it's it's not really it's not really keeping him facialists Pessene I think that my twelve overruled son often pulls me how many things may describing equal as ours you know racial differences and age differences in all these kind of things it's really important she festival the peasant best and so you you're giving them a bit of credits at the rather than keeping them label that let's conscious out maybe a different idea of who they are is this specific to certain nationalities what does it apply right across the board is that did you hear it from all different people I I think I have I don't really stayed in the context of nationalities citing this language is more about agenda Khanna's debase quality guy I mean I'm just I'm just sort of diving in a little bit some place just trying to get to the actual crux of the of the issue if there is an issue and I mean it sounds like they raise them and I saw me and the reason I ask you about nationalities I notice and I'm probably going to shut down for this but I noticed when people from the US Americans are talking about even their spouse or their their partner I tend to say he or she a lot more whereas I would always use someone's name so I don't know if that's if that's something that's built into the way we're brought up with a language within our countries have you noticed that with Americans as opposed Sousse Riley and yeah they might be different culture wise people talk about it but I think inmates specific example in where I got you know where I j Kriens is when people are talking about in the studio b clay for example so it might be like Oh yes sorry I g I g the shooting and the girls do the production CEOS sorry instead of saying the goals through the faction in the sales we could say we'll felicity is the sales manager in the managers the production assistance or the staff members even you know like just to to be to be pinpointing them down to the girls just gives it really initials who I ah the visual of anything that they could be doing anything that could young old or whatever you just not giving them any has -nology all credibility ready for almost like they're expendable when you liable in that way yeah I think it's respectful to she because your title of dump title or your name you know it's really not that much hotter than the girls and I just started seeing that it would bay said the other way round very often Michael you wouldn't kind of guy and he's husband and the boys in the office like you would you probably wouldn't do that it's it's more common to hear the girls because you know traditional roles in the past you might have a receptionist that more than would be female and that kind of thing being but I think that we need to really move away from that kind of language and that's why you titles have changed over the years as well where were jump titles that given more more credibility ability and more suspect and I think he can pull that through into the way that we think about out businesses and the people that worked for us than I think that's really important here well I agree with you but when when you made that last point on thinking we'll op- got nights as a land skype or he has garden maintenance business and he has three guys working for him and he often refers to them as the boys so I don't know if this is specific to two women are you being too sensitive well I know there's a tendency to say oh you know she's being she's being sensitive which she see these days and all that kind of thing but I I think that you know if it makes you cringe listening to any of you and the people in the you are referring to goals in offices the girls els and talking about them in that way and it's making you cringe then I think as as a problem and that I'm not saying I was sensitive because it's making me cringe that how all I would feel if I was them or have it they perceived in that conversation I think it's I K to be sensitive about that true true okay so how how do we fix that what do we do we is it just a point of making people aware aw this is why I said something to you because I felt L. uncomfortable about that I'll put it on the activities based Patriot thought dominate. I don't WanNa Puke Andrew don't WanNa embarrass anyone I don't WanNa be that that passing going on incident so that's why like sending the message because your insolence you know you're in that position where you can really change people's thoughts on that and and I hate doing that in the interview I he's saying what is the name you know he's on like on just wanted to thank you for genuinely doing that and to and to think about that because if you'll thinking thinking about that and you'll steering people who talking like that away from speaking about off-limits like that then that's how coach changes funniest either because I consciously after nine but I don't think it's the same reas- maybe days off to me I think if I was one of those staff members listening listening back these interview and it's likely that they're going to at some stage I would love to hear mine I mentioned be thanked and talked about for the role that I play in that business and that person success because that's usually usually why they're on the show in the first place so I think I I think I have a habit of putting myself in the shoes of the person that's that I'm interviewing or that I'm recording four or that might be listening to the show I put myself in their shoes and think how I feel I think that that might be the way to approach this and other listeners I think about it if I have stuff and they do talk about this stuff yeah that's a good way to think about it the first person came to my mind when you were talking about stuff off and having female staff on the other side remember Michael Cheremis to have a Nile assistant studio assistant and so do you think he would say the same something or if he did would you notice mattison Michaelides these nine that's interesting right so well he wouldn't only in the girls would he insight I guess then then forced to think about changing the way that you say it yeah I think that it's hard when when the people in the office are female maybe you know it's the same if you've got they now children as well I think the parents inside the go but I just think it's a bit of a derogatory turn the way that it's used in that context contacts and the wife as well you sound very ozzy doesn't it I know you may not look I'm on the same page arm on the same budget again if I if I place myself in the.

"emma obrien" Discussed on PhotoBiz Xposed

PhotoBiz Xposed

01:32 min | 1 year ago

"emma obrien" Discussed on PhotoBiz Xposed

"She shares exactly what she's doing to generate the bookings and build the kind of business she has in today's interview and that's coming up in just planning to have a successful wedding and portrait photography Business Join Injury is he interview did you successful photographers and business experts to fuss track your success welcome to the photo bees exposed podcast with your host Andrew Andrew Helmets it's Andrew how Michio from impact images and walk into this episode of the podcast can't bring you Emma's interview in just a minute before we get into the interview what I normally do is share a little bit about me and my week what's been happening but today it's something different because I had a a facebook private message from a friend of Mine sydney-based photography any pain and she brought up something that I wasn't really aware I jumped on a recall with her asked if I could record I'm GonNa Bring that interview walk phone conversation to you in just a second I'm really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on what any has to share and what she has a bean her about so let's get into that following the chat with Anne we'll take a quick look back at last week's episode we'll get into the interview review with Emma O'Brien and I've got some news regarding some fantastic specials for premium members fulling that interview with as well of course it's black Friday coming up at the end of the month so that's when all the specials happen I'm going.