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The Castle in the Sky

Get Sleepy

40:22 min | 1 year ago

The Castle in the Sky

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Feuding say now for tonight's story Simon will be taking us through modernized version of an old fairy tale in which go freeze a prince. Who's trapped in a castle among the clouds? But I as always. Let's just take a moment to relax? you're feeling calm unhappy but it's just fine if not you may have thought that playing on your mind certainly nothing unusual but don't let yourself get frustrated by just take a nice deep breath in then release the air slowly back a this a few times to regulate your breathing to just suffer new muscle. Slow down your heart rate at little bit more. Just feel more thoughts often so instead of trying to push them away. Just visualize your house a small clouds floating around in your mind Watch them knowledge. That just crowns harmlessly floating around some maybe more white so fluffy some a little more rain But eventually this clouds would gently fly away. Unless they flex away in your mind clear in quietens down. You can listen. Tonight's story begins higher among the clouds in the sky or a little known medical council flights in the gentle current of the wind Once upon a time there was a prince who slept a castle in the sky some said the prince was no more than a fairytale. The story passed on from mother to child late at night but others knew the story was true. Elsa new the story was true ever since she was a little girl she'd heard tales of the Prince. Her mother would tucker into bed. She pulls the covers up snug beneath her chin. She'd stroke else's hair gently and whisper the story in her hair. Once upon a time there was a prince she began he was a good and kind prince beloved by all the people in the land. One day the Prince went out riding in the woods that he met a tricky troll. Trolls love riddles. And this trial was no exception sore of my riddle or I'll send you to sleep in the sky. The trump said the prince tried his. Does he could but he couldn't figure it out. And so the troll sent the prince to sleep in the sky and there he remained ever since Elsa wondered if he would ever wake up. Her mother said he was waiting for a princess to come and rescue him. But only the bravest and smartest princess would be able to find a way to the castle in the sky and free the prince from his slumber. Am I princess? Elsa always asked of course mother would say you always be my princess. As Elsa grew up. She never forgot the castle in the Sky. She looked for it on maps. Some new some old. It was never that. She searched through worn leather bound books in the library for any mention of it but there wasn't a single one. Despite all this she still dreamed of finding it. Elsa turned eighteen. She told her mother she was going on an adventure. She was setting off to find the castle in the sky and finally rescue the prince from his slumber. A mother knew she was a determined. Young Woman Wants Elsa made up her mind to do something she'd see it through to the end very well. Mother said she packed Elsa a rucksack and filled it with apples and cheese a soft blanket and a pillow for her head. She filled it with a mother's love and sent Elsa on her way Elsa set off from Mother's house soon she came to a forest. She never been into the forest before. This was an adventure. Elsa tells us off and on adventures you do things you've never done before with confidence in her shoulders. She stepped into the woods. Elsa walked and walked for what seemed like hours the trees around her with tall with deep brown branches and strong known routes they were pine trees and then needles were clustered so close together they looked like woven baskets. The forest was quiet. Save for the occasional chirping of a bird or chattering of a mouse Elsa walks and walked until the sun began to set. It was time to set up camp for the night. She took out an apples cheese and lit a small fire to Walmart tired feet. She ate had dinner quietly. Savoring every bite food tastes better after a long walk. She thought herself the crack of a twig behind interrupted her thoughts. Don't be afraid. Came Voice when the Trees Elsa tanned from behind the largest tree a giant white bear emerged. It's fair glistened in the evening Light Elsa quarter breath. She never seen a bad before. She wasn't quite sure how to talk to one but else's mother had taught her to always use hermanas matter who she was talking to. So that's what else it did. Good evening back. She said and invited him to sit and warm his feet by the fire. He thanked gratefully. It had been a long day for the bat who had walked many miles from the mountains to find particularly sweet berry patch in the woods. He pulled out a small pouch filled with. Barry's an awesome to Elson. She gave him a slice of apple and a piece of cheese in return. Elsa the ban sat together by the fire enjoying their meal and sharing stories long into the night who else told the bear about the prince and the castle in the sky. The bad was impressed by conviction to free the prince. He would help her on this journey but I it was time to rest. Elsa pulled out a blanket and curled up next to the bed. She rested her head on his soft firm and tugs have blanket up to her chin was born and she felt safe with the bears a companion her heads rose and foul gently with the bad breath. She noticed his breath beginning to slow down. They both fell into a deep and restful sleep the next morning Elsa woke to the most tantalizing smell. She opened her eyes and saw the bag cooking and wild onions over the fire. He's gone out early and forged them in the woods. Important to have breakfast. He said to keep up one strength for the day. She ate gladly and felt the food warmer belly. The bare explained that he'd once had a story about a woman in the woods. Who could always lead you in the right direction? If you were able to find it. Perhaps she be able to help Elsa find the prince in the sky luckily another bad at once told him how to find this woman. Elsa followed the barrel on the path through the woods for miles. They walked and walked all through the morning. Talk about midday. They came to a clearing with a large rock in the middle. Here they left. The trail walks north northeast. It was harder to walk through the woods without a path. Elsa found herself tripping over branches. The ban noticed Elsa was having trouble. He knelt down an offer to let Elsa ride on his back. It would be foster that way. He said Elsa gratefully climbed up onto the White Baz back. She held his soft ferron her hands to steady herself as the best did he lumbered through the forest with short feet and a steady gait left. Right left right. He walked. Elsa felt herself sway gently back and forth with every footfall from a top the bad she could fully take in the beauty of the forest around. There were large green. Leaves that sprung up from the Mossy ground morning do gathered on the leaves? They were heavy with it. The smallest movement of a nearby animal could just them ever-so-slightly making the Ju- run down the spine an off the tip of the leaf in a translucent stream the ground was dappled with soft light. Small ladybugs crawled on fragile ferns. Their red spotted wings. Bright and cheerful dragonfly buzzed near large purple flower. It's colorful body reflecting the light. Every beat of its wings seem to ripple outward through the Ad Sending Pleasant Buzz Down Elsa Spine. What a magical place. She thought after traveling many long hours Elsa and the bad arrived at a small hut nestled deep in the forest among twisted branches and hanging vines dotted with small white flowers. They had finally reached the women's Home Elsa hopped down off. The bat knocked gently on the dual. An old woman answered. The door creaked open. Elsa could see the woman's face more clearly cheeks wrinkled with age and there were deep lines at the corners of her eyes which became more pronounced. She smiled she welcomed ulcer the bad inside. Elsa explained her quest to wake the sleeping prince and hoped. The woman might be able to help. The old woman smiled and nodded. She walked over to her kitchen table and from a large wooden bowl produced a small Golden Apple. It skin the smooth and bright not an imperfection to be found. She handed the Apple. Two Elsa it would come in handy once. She reached the castle in the sky. The woman sister would help Elsa continue on she instructed so they must go there. She drew a map. On a piece of wrinkled parchment it would lead elsewhere in the band to the next stop on that journey. They thanked the old woman and set off through the dense forest. After many hours they came to a valley marked here and there with enormous boulders the size of houses they must have rolled down from the mountains ages ago. The Bam used. This is an ancient place among the boulders. They're Sata Charming Little House with a thatched roof Elsa once again climbed off the bat and not gently on the door this time and even older woman onset. Her eyes seem to be as old as the hills smiled. And welcome the parent side. Elsa explained their situation and their quest to free the prince sleeping in the castle in the sky they had been sent by the woman system. The woman smiled wider. Not Her head from top. How Wash Basin on the back wall? The woman produced a fine cone made of gold. She handed the comb to Elsa once again noting that it would be useful once L. Serb reached the castle in the sky. The woman's other sister would help them so they must go to her. The old woman drew a map on a small grass Matt. She handed the map to the bad. Who STUDIED IT closely? Then Elsa and the bad set off across the valley they walked for miles through the boulder field. The bad being strong and agile made the walk gracefully. The valley came to an end. Small trail head looking up at the mountain side. They could trace the line of the trail as it switched back and forth all the way to the top. The bad began the journey up with Elsa on his back for hours they walked up the mountain trail with every turn in. The Path came a glorious view over the valley across the forest to the sea at the very edge of the Land Elsa Kota Breath. She took it all in. The Path ended near the top of the mountain in a small craggy clearing with a Beautiful Turquoise Lake. That looked like a jewel. It's sparkled in the evening light on. The far side of the lake was a small house made of stone with a curl of smoke coming from its. Sturdy Chimney Elsa hopped down off the bat and not gently at the door the oldest woman she ever seen answered and welcomed them inside a Elsa told the third woman about that quest to wake the prints in the castle in the sky and that they'd been sent here by her sister. The woman smiled warmly. Sitting beside her bed was a solid gold spinning wheel with a twist of golden thread. The woman told them to take it for it would prove useful once. They reached the castle in the sky. Tomorrow the old woman said Elsa and the bear must go to the very top of the mountain and summoned the eastwind. He help them find the castle in the sky but now it was evening. Elsa and the bad with tired after such a long journey the woman invited them to sleep by a fire which they gladly did the back held up an Elsa laid down with a head on his suffer. They slept soundly until morning. Soothed by the crackling fire their feet when they woke the next morning the old woman had packed breakfast fuel. That journey to the top of the mountain. They thanked him and set off. Bad climbed slowly Catholic with ulcer on his back and up they went. The boulders turned to rocks which turned to pebbles the grass became and sparse at the top. It was a smooth ledge where Elsa hopped down off the bed. She raised her arms up to the sky and called to the East Wind. They needed. It's guidance to reach the castle in the sky and wake the sleeping prince with how words came a gentle wind it spoke with words of its own it told Elsa to sit on the best back and hold tight to his for for the wind would carry them to his brother who could help them on their way. Elsa climbed back on the bed. She clutched his foreign hands and steadied himself. When his broad back the wind lifted up the bath and blue him gently across the mountains. To the home of the West Wind. The West Wind lived by the sea elsewhere in the bag found themselves standing on a long white beach dotted with delicate white seashells elsa called to the sky above summoning the West wind to guide them to the castle in the sky so they might wake the sleeping prince. A light breeze chuckled and else's ear. He would help them as best he could but they should visit his brother in the south he said. The breeze lifted the bag and gently whisks them off. They flew and flew for many miles until the West wind left them on a small southern island with tall palm trees and Bright Red Sand Elsa called out to the south wind to guide them on that quest. I A light wind the palm fronds overhead slowly. The wind picked up speed until it was blowing. Quite strongly with it came an equally. Strong voice southwind would help them as best he could but they really should ask the north wind for it was he who had been to the Casa in the sky and could help them on that way the southwind lifted Elsa and the bear blowing them clear across the ocean to the top of the tallest mountain in the land he left them on a glistening snowfield the northern lights danced overhead reflecting a magical green across the sky once again Elsa called out to the sky above for the guidance of the North Wind. Why yes I do know. The way. To the castle in the sky the north wind whistled across the barren snowfield. Only I have seen those holes. Hold on tight. The North Wind set it picked up the band. The North Wind lifted them up into the sky. They flew among the stars and weaved through the magical northern lights over the moon. They went until they came to a castle. In the Sky I leave you hear the North Wind said. May you find a way to complete your quest? He left them in a stone courtyard. There were no birds here. No small animals no trees or streams or mountains. There was just a lonely castle in the Sky Floating on a solemn Cloud Elsa hop down and walked with the bat to a set of large wooden doors. She pulled them open. They found themselves in a large room. It appeared to be the only room in the castle. It had marble floors marble walls and a glass ceiling high above. It was beautiful but there was no prince perhaps he was hidden. Elsa thought she would find out Elsa called out to the very concert itself. They'd come from far away traveled through the forest across the valley up the mountain to the very end of the earth. The four winds carried them here now. They were here to finish what they set out to do. Long ago. Wake the sleeping prince out of thin. There appeared a marble countertop with a piece of paper covered an elegant handwriting. It was a recipe for Golden Apple Pie. She pulled the first women's gift from her bag and set to work. She chopped the apple at it. Cinnamon nutmeg and cloves and made the dove for the crust. When it was time an oven appeared below the countertop precisely an hour later the warm and delicious smell of Apple Pie wafted the castle. The bad licked his lips. Elson you the bad worked hard to carry her on their journey. She pulled the pie from the oven and cut him a wedge he ate up every last crumb then out of thin air vanity appeared with a Beautiful Mirror. Elsa pulled the golden comb from a sack. She noticed the best for was tangled in places from the long journey she set to work. She combed out each tangle and smoothed his fair. Until it's Sean. When she had finished grooming the bear a final note appeared on the vanity. This note had no words but the pattern for a fine golden shut suited for Prince Elsa retrieved the gift from the third woman she set to work at the Golden Spinning wheel when she had enough golden thread. She used a span needle too so the finest golden shirt ever made with every turn and wrinkle. The shirt shone like the sun itself. How fine the golden shirt would look on the freshly groomed ban. She thought she pulled it over his broad shoulders and as she did she noticed the bear. Begin to change. Perhaps it was a trick of the light. She thought at first but for a moment the ballots less like that and more like a man instead of fair he had had instead of a golden shut he had a public cloak. Big Fluffy ears. Once pointed from the top of his head now sat a crown. This was not bad elsa realized but the prince himself. He hugged her and thanked. He'd been asleep inside that Baz body for so long and she had freedom. How could he ever repay? He asked Elsa smiled. She wouldn't accept anything but his continued friendship after all the bag carried out most of the way. They both grinned. The castle shimmered with enchantment as the SPOUSAL lifted. It was time to go home. Elsa called once again to the north wind they had completed that quest and now sought his help in returning home the north wind whistled with joy it carried Elsa and the prince to the southern island with the red. Sandy shows that they summoned the southwind and he carried them to the beach with delicate white seashells. They called the West Wind who took them to the mountaintop. They asked the eastwind to help. He carried them across the valley and over the forest all the way to the Princess Castle by the Sea then Elsa and the prince waved farewell to the wind hand in hand. They walked through the castle doors and lived happily ever after

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Establish Your Routine

WCRI Flash Brief

02:01 min | 1 year ago

Establish Your Routine

"Hi Djokovic Establish a routine. Was he a lot of writers tended. Forget is that the need to have some sort of routine set up over time. This routine becomes a ritual busy. Prepare you for whatever you've got going on that day. Sometimes this is something you need to do for your own sanity. Sometimes there's some really good week for setting it up ahead of time especially every time for joining dinner or if you have time for going to bed for watching particular show whatever all these little. Ding all these little routine. Are you going to help you in the long run? Yeah I know he gets annoying. You hire employees. Aggravating can keep up a routine. And don't get me wrong casually you can't dvd commits you basically go. Hey I wake up take a shower and get straight to work today. I'm just going to get to work or today. I'M GONNA go for a walk in the park instead of taking a shower. That's fine using time you stylish little exception. Hey that's cool as long as you realized that. They are exception. Recording about Teen is additionally establishes a form of muscle memory. Yeah I know you people tell you that you need to basically establish when using because they said she was not move for that and you've got people do all Silliness about how you can just coast. Here's a reality. Check version unique Keeps you motivated? You're gonNA find the need each way to motivate yourself if you simply keep up the same routine again like a point out earlier if you want you exceptions every now and then go for it. Nobody is holding. Youtube is reaching chapter self. I like you will establish routines for very good. Reasons can keep things like you know message taking care of or you'd be hungry. Make sure that you've seen Tyler league-record kids you know whatever it takes you savaged routine. Good Dude you make sure the June facts establish routine Elsa has please check me out a web comedies interviews of any Near you thank you have a great day.

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Elsa Brndstrm born - March 26, 1888

This Day in History Class

07:05 min | 1 year ago

Elsa Brndstrm born - March 26, 1888

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Trello is here to help trello part of Atlassian collaborative sweet as empowering remote teams globally for almost a decade trello keeps everyone on the same page helping teams communicate focus and connect. Trello for free and learn more at TRELLO DOT com. That's T. R. E. L. DOT COM. This Day in history class is production of iheartradio. Hey everyone I'm eaves and welcome to another episode of This Day in History Class. Today is March twenty. Six twenty twenty. The day was March. Twenty six eight hundred eighty eight Swedish nurse and Philanthropist Elsa Brannstrom was born branch trump became known as the angel of Siberia for her work with prisoners of war. Branston was born in Saint Petersburg to avert brench drum and Una villa. Mina ESCO thin. Her father was a Swedish military attache to Russia and her family went back to Sweden for a while. When she was a child her father went back to Saint Petersburg as an envoy in one thousand nine six but she stayed in Sweden where she was training to become a teacher. She went back to Saint. Petersburg in nineteen eight else's mother died in one thousand nine hundred eighteen just before the outbreak of World War One in nineteen fourteen when the war began elsa and her friend. Ethel von Heyden stom-. We're trained as nurses also serving at a military hospital. There's he cared for wounded Russian soldiers but she found that Russia was not providing the necessary support to prisoners of so she and von Heyden stom- work to find private donations to help care for the POW's in one thousand nine hundred fifteen. The Swedish Red Cross asked her to go to Siberia to do relief work in the prisoner camps conditions were poor in the camps. They lacked winter. Clothes blankets medical supplies and other basic necessities. Many people got sick. Because of these conditions and diseases like typhus killed a lot of prisoners of war during these chips. She gave out food clothing and medical supplies to POW's at a Siberian camp cost. Three tenths brand. Strums inspections led to changes that helped slow the typhoid epidemic. When she was in Europe she met with families of Russian. Pow's though the central powers Russia's signed a peace treaty in nineteen eighteen ending Russia's participation in World War One. The Red Cross continued. Its relief work. Elsa was accused of being a spy and arrested at one point. She was even threatened with execution but her sentence was revoked also got typhoid in nineteen nineteen. The next year she was imprisoned but soon released she went back to Sweden July of nineteen twenty in Sweden. She continued to support. Pow's in Siberia. She collected donations insent winter clothing to them and nineteen twenty one. She even published a memoir called among prisoners of war and Russia and Siberia with the money from her book from a lecture tour in the US and from her work at a relief association she was able to fund a health resort a home for the children of POW's and a labor sanatorium to train POW's to work jobs like farming or fishing in the children's home. She only accepted kids who become quote. First Class people and refused those with disabilities and character traits deemed under the table. Elsa Mary Robert eulex In nineteen twenty nine and they moved to dress him. They had a daughter together in nineteen thirty two because she worked with prisoners of war she was recognized by Hitler but she and her husband disapproved of the rise of the Nazis. The family moved to the. Us Hewlett had gotten a job at Harvard. Elsa helped refugees from Nazi Germany and occupied Scandinavian countries get residency permits. She died in one thousand nine forty eight and Cambridge Massachusetts. I'm UCF coat and hopefully you know a little more about history today than you did yesterday and if you WanNa leave a message on social media you can do so on Instagram facebook or twitter at T. d. h. feed podcast you can also send us via email at this day at iheartmedia dot com. Thanks again for listening to the PODCAST. And we'll see you tomorrow for more podcasts. From iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. My name is wells for the past. Four years. I've been trying to figure out how twenty two year old son. Courtney wound up with a bullet in his back outside of Chicago police station. There's what you hear on. The News. That coordinate got shot then drove himself to the station. Were offer cives did everything they could to help him. And then there's the troop listen to somebody. The iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts hi everyone it's Katie couric. 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Elsa app with AI to help with speaking English

Techstination

01:59 min | 1 year ago

Elsa app with AI to help with speaking English

"Your destination for gadgets ungeared. I'm Fred fishkill. Using speech recognition and artificial intelligence who helped teach English Elsa instant is the name of a free browser plugin designed to help wanted a half billion English learners around the globe and is a follow up to the Elsa APPs available for smartphones. It was graded by Van. Whose motivation was personal a brute from Vietnam to the he left to do my Mba and my masters patient and then put university here In the first quarter I was really struggling to be understood by all of my friends and my teachers and professors. And that really hurt my confident. Choose helping others. And they also has raised more than twelve million dollars in venture capital more at ELSA SPEAK DOT com. You can find us at text. NATION DOT COM. I'm Fred Friskin now. This how many companies out there have continued to innovate when it comes to building better radio. I'm red fish skin host of TEX donation and I'm here to tell you go buffs news C. C. Sky Wave. SP radio from the wonderful people at sea crane Baba Descru- really love radio and it shows in this new compact impact model that is packed with features beyond great am FM reception. Unsound you can tune in to shortwave signals from around the world. Listen to Ham radio station and more. It's the radio you'll turn to every day and in emergencies it will run for nearly three days on just to who double A.. Batteries hair the sleep timer with a new soft speaker three. And you've got the perfect radio for your nightstand. Of course it can wake you up to you. Click on C. Crane at text nation Dot Com and put in the code text nation for free flashlight with your order. They Love Radio and you'll love secretly.

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Episode 287 | Moby Dick But Better (with Elsa Charretier!)

I Read Comic Book

1:06:10 hr | 2 weeks ago

Episode 287 | Moby Dick But Better (with Elsa Charretier!)

"Our senior visit. The i read comic books. Podcast i'm your host. Mike rapin joining me this week. To friendly sprites. Who promised to help. Guide me through the forest kerosene gorski. Hey and a very special guest elsa chartres. I thank you both for joining me this week. I am so very excited to talk to both of you about comics. But before we get into things. I have one quick announcement. We've a book club coming up on june fifth on our discord. If you're not already on their head over irc be podcasts. Dot com slash dischord and come and chat about sweet tooth volume with us. My heart is ready to break with this new tv series. That's coming out. So i'm rereading the comic book. I'm very excited about that. And before we get into talking about comic books. Because i do have a legally mandated question to ask. I do need to ask our guest to tells a little bit about herself else. I'm so happy that you could be here on the show. 'cause you tell the folks at home a little bit about who. You are sure absolutely awesome. Hi ruin my name. Is elsa ayman artist and writer. I guess i can take her tune east. I don't know whether that applies or not anyway. I've heard it used interchangeably illustrator cartoonist. It feels fence. He sacred tunis's so i'm going to go do comex. I did I worked for this year model for a number of years Although started out. Doing some indy work and then About three years ago. I decided to move back to indie comics. And since then i've been working on my own creator own books. And i also do kick starters in. I have youtube channel With partner and so basically. That's what i do and you've got a brand new patriot where people can get exclusive content from you. Yes yes you know. It's it's a nice way to get in touch to to have a different form of communication With people that follow my work. And i post things that i don't show on social media process of and And i have newsletter over there as well coming curation us later. So let's things unlikely. Yeah i mean. I feel like i feel like over. The last few months is just there. Is this huge explosion of everything Elsa and i love it. I'm like so happy to be able to see your work regularly. See all the stuff that you do on youtube and the patriots. Here's i mean like there's so much stuff. I don't understand how you manage to do all of this and also create comic books. It's incredibly impressive. Thank you first of all on the youtube channel. It's not just me. I'm doing it with my partner. He's doing like the book of his name is collini and he's a writer to and We haven't an art studio together and we worked on lots of books together. The star wars that i did with. Id w were written by him. So he's doing the book of the work. Basically i just write texts and Deliver them on camera. But the whole editing in directing and all of that it's You know he's doing it. It wouldn't be. I wouldn't be able to do it by myself. It's so interesting that you're an interesting. I mean fabulous that you have someone that you can collaborate with in different mediums. Like not just not just the one. Yeah you know. We've we've known each other for a long time and we kind of moved into come together. And so i think that a lot of things that i do. It's because we talked about it. I together and i don't know i like working as a team first of all and we can't have Our own tastes inform what the other person will do and vice versa and so we can create everything that we do is kind of a mix of both of things that we would like to do independently but together. It's always better. It's easier ultimately one plus one equals three and also we know each other very well naturally. So it's easier to work with someone that you know new Your strength your your what you can't do and all of that so of course. It's always better to do it with someone that you trust. Absolutely that's definitely so we do here. I trust you mike. Thank you and i trust you care. I wouldn't have been able to put. You may be able to put that star wars series together that you did had not been for the massive monitor. Trust that i was. Somehow i was able to give because as much as i want to control every bit about the show. You guys put out a fantastic fantastic show. It's amazing so i trust you guys implicitly. Everybody on the show But anyways i have to get into this this question that i've got ask every single week and that is how you been health comic books ben. So let's just jump right back to you. Elsa have you been what comic books if you've been reading all of that stuff. I've been okay. Although if i'm being totally honest it hasn't been the best way. Yeah and you know. I'm tired is just like we said lots of things It's my own fault. You know. I i don't know i can. I would like to stop or slow down. I don't seem to be able to and mostly i'm happy about it but sometimes it's like this is too much so this was a bit of a too much week so i'm kinda beat. Obviously but i am very glad that i can turn to books. Whenever i feel down in this week. I've been reading a lot of Books that i had bought but the didn't get a chance to read so this is always a nice way to wind down after tough week. Nice nice any books in particular. The you'd wanna shout out for the show. I'm sure i have been catching up on my deadly class very nice. Yeah which is a book that i adore like it's easily on my top. Ten of my favorite books ever. I think it's a fantastic comic And also i have been reading today to books. They're quick to to read. Because it's mostly pictures of john mcnaughton. I dunno that. I'm pronouncing his name right. But it's a it's not you know monte released comic book it's more graphic novel format. I think it's no brow that puts his books out into. I've been reading. That is very illustrative. It's small panels and poetic You know of things about nature and people taking the time to look at nature and all that and it's beautiful. It's not a tough read. It's easy to end. It's just gorgeous. Sounds like the right kind of meditative content. That maybe you needed if this week was overwhelming exact. I wouldn't be able to process like a watchman for example too much totally understandable. You know we'll have to look those up if if if it's something that's a nice easy read. I'm always looking for something like that. Because i feel like we always wanna find like the next big thing. That's going to really make you think. And you've got to find these deeper inner themes and stuff but sometimes it's just nice to have a book that's just you know just there to to kind of just read and just not have to think too hard about just enjoy on that same theme. Although it's very different. I bought a collected edition of a bone which i had never read. Oh yeah that's the same sort of books Always very different. Because it's all black and white or just inks and it's like real story but it's mostly it reads on one level and that's good you know it is like you said not. Everything has to be like on many different levels of understanding and So yeah. I think i'm into like simple easy to read books right now. That's understandable. i think when you're when you're doing a lot of work like analyzing art and stuff like that like you've been doing on your youtube channel like i think it's nice to just sit back and kind of take something at face value right. We'll care what about you. How have you been what kind of comic books if you've been reading. I am also exhausted but for different reasons. it's the it's the end of the school year at the school and that means lots of exams and i'm in charge of the exams and there's so many things that could go wrong. So very forced detail oriented right now but instead of deciding to read something chill and relaxing. I thought let's do moby dick all right so a little bit of back story recently finished listening to the audio book version of moby dick. 'cause a few years ago i tried reading it and got. I thought halfway but now i understand. I only got about a quarter of the way through before. I realized that i was just tuning out. The the pros is so dense but listening to it in audio book form. It was more like somebody telling a story to me and it was easier for me to absorb what was happening and to get annoyed at. Herman melville the author for being so descriptive. A mike i get it. You know a lot about wales. I get it you a whole chapter about the symbolism of the color white in your book about symbolism like i get a lot so and actually this is. This is partially inspired by my research for our episode today with elsa diving into her youtube channel and a theme that you come back to a few times is how comics as a medium are different from the other visual mediums and so considering adaptations consider the strengths of the comic book medium and so while bro while browsing through hoopla to look for That would spark my attention. I saw that. There is an english translation of a french comic adaptation of moby dick. So it's like you start with english. You adapt it to a french comic book and then you translate back into english like okay. So this this Adaptation of moby. Dick is by christoph. Shabu tei glenna published it in france and then dark horse published it in in english and all of the dialogue in this adaptation. Is herman melville's dialogue. None of it got changed. Its just interpreting the great american novel as a graphic novel instead of like three hundred pages and using the sense of the passage of time in the comic book medium to show the the monotony of being at sea and all of the action is really these shorter of conversations that the sailors have or that the infamous captain ahab Has and having just listened to the whole novel. It was interesting for me to read the comic adaptation and see how detail oriented. The artist was like there is a whole chapter in the novel. Where the like may our narrator protagonist ishmael is in a chapel in new england before he ships out on the quad. And it's just this whole sermon from the preacher about the biblical story of joan and the whale. And while the sermon is happening ishmail noticing all these different Like memorial plaques on the wall of all these Whale men who have died at sea and it's just it goes on and on in the novel and in this comic book adaptation. The artist was able to convey within like four panels. Everything that was happening in this huge chapter and our of comic books elliott saying that it's moby dick but better because that's bull claim the better it's moby dick but maybe if you're not going to sit down and read all of moby dick you can still get the sense of the story the overarching themes of the story. If you if you want to read moby dick but you are bored by four hundred pages about different types of whale. Species could be better. I guess they would. You know if you don't have the patience for that but still you want appear smart at a party. You shoot the graphic novel entities. You're saying post post cova. The first cocktail party we all go to i read moby dick during quarantine with your pandemic well. I've just looking to the art on this Just a preview of it i. it's black and white. It looks gorgeous. Reminds me of this artists that i i've loved her work for years. Who does like these very stark charcoals almost but obviously there's there's a lot more thinner line work done on clear connolly's her name. She's like a new jersey based artist. man i'm picking up this graphic novel i didn't think i'd ever wanna read moby dick period arm and now you've you've now maybe. Maybe i will read a book about a boat and whale. The book session mike. It's about obsession right. I mean. I know there's it's bigger than that. I'm going to try to read this one at face value and see what i can take from it Evan run you feel better. Yeah you lied. What once or twice saying that. I have actually one of those definitely one of those books were people know the highlights and they know the characters. 'cause they've just been circulated in different media in different references. So line like even if you haven't read it you kind of get. The idea of captain ahab is in you know moby dick the whale and there's an ocean voyage. There's an entire concept album by like one of my favorite bands ever called mastodon and they do an entire moby dick theme album. So i know a lot about moby dick. I think through listening to that music. I don't think that they're depicting the whole book. But you know. I understand the name captain ahab. I know there's a whale involved in the story so anyways I for me really quick before out myself for being any any more ignorant and naive. Let me talk about some of the books that i've read recently I read young shadow by ben spears brett from our discord recommended. This book will before when it was on preorder and I was really excited to get it. the idea is young shadow is a street. Vigilante in bolt city Helping people in his neighborhood busting criminals doing good work for the people in his neighborhood when he discovers that a crime organization comprised of trust front punks cops at a ceo plan to push their power in the city young shadow decides. He needs to stop them. And this feels like kind of a cut and dry like just street. Vigilante-type story But i think that ben spears really tackles this book from a angle of st alanthea's don't have to be batman daredevil spider man they can be kind of like wholesome people that kind of have a chip on their shoulder but ultimately are very good people. And i guess maybe spider-man's bad comparison But i feel like you know. Daredevil really fits this measure. Maybe even punisher of just like this street level. Vigilante thing and i was really impressed overall with this book just ability to convey an extremely lived in but fantastical style city So this is this is from fanta graphics. So there's kind of like this. Artsy your side to the entire book and i think that ben spears's art style really reminded me of. I know this sounds ridiculous but some of the kind of fi elements of early dragon ball in a lot of ways where there's just kind of these impossible buildings that you're like. That's a really cool shape. Why couldn't it be ability. Who cares if it's not structurally unsound. So there's like this fantastical out like urbanism. That exists in the book that i really really liked. The city of bolt city feels big but it also feels like whenever young just young shadow is on the ground like it feels very like real a place that you could actually understand so overall was this book was pretty okay like the story is very straightforward like. He's got a bust some punks and he busts 'em punks because they're trying to make this city worse and i will the one last thing i'll say about this. Is that the book the three tone palette of this book it's like black white and yellow Is really really amazing. Like it striking Think is ability to lean into this huge world with these big block elements off but then using like the the harshness between black and yellow is really really smart and it creates this really interesting kind of shadowy thing and he does something with Either a some sort of tool to create these really staticky like shadows that i thought he was able to like masterfully combined with just harsh blacks to really give you a distinct feeling of of darkness in the city without just drawing pages in all black so I thought it was really cool. I probably want to check out his other work. Ben spears apparently has this kind of in universe story that includes young shadow in a bunch of other books. So i'll probably try something else out. I feel like when it comes to fanta graphics books Getting something a little different. So why not when a dig more into this guy's a backlog agree Looking at the art right now while. This is unique yeah. It's a super beautiful book. I think he he has a really distinct style. That i think is is just seems like it's almost cartoonish but the story subject matters a little bit more serious soda ads. Like a really nice. Contrast i started to google young shadow and google tried to tell me to look up young sheldon instead very different. Maybe so different. I don't know. I wanna talk about really quick is a dungeon critters this by natalie. Recent sarah culture This is a book that was part of a book club. That i'm in and i was really upset that i had to read it because it i in the book club. Nominations for books. I really wanted to read the autumn lands tooth and claw but this one ended up winning by a couple of votes. So i went into it kind of just like whatever other book and it turns out. It's the best book that i've read in tony twenty so far period or excuse me twenty twenty one all right whatever year it is it is. The story follows this fantasy style. Like anthropomorphic group of characters who kind of fit a standard role in your style party. They get swept up in this mystery involving a royal family and a mysterious evil plant. And then there's some big bad that's out there you know you're kind of standard fantasy. Dnd story where these heroes saved the day based on this thing but the stakes are stacked up against them but every single character in this book is super lovable. We've got prince chirp. Who's an extremely excitable frog. Whose roguish indices get her in trouble constantly goro. Who's the strongest most fun. Most mysterious snake person you've ever met. He has the best. One liners in the group. There's rose who's a sorceress cat. Who just can't seem to find the right time to say the right thing and june. The quote magical botanist aka druid dog. Who's the only level headed one in the party. So of course as the story goes on. Everyone kind of fits these roles. And there's so much so much passion character in every single page of this book. Like i implore you to go look this up because it is so beautiful like this this book every single page is you could print it out. Put it on the wall. And i think the reason for that is because this originally started as a web comic that eventually grew into a much bigger story and the pair of decided that publishing through first second was probably the best way to do things. Yeah this is like a really all ages book like. There's there's violence in their steaks. And there's there's all sorts of character developments in twists and turns that i as a thirty year old really really love that if i gave this to a twelve year. Old kid who was just looking for a nice book to read. They would love this as much as i did. Because i'm a child. And i enjoy childish things but i also think that. There's a lot of really good humor in this that it doesn't matter how old you are You'll think this is really good time and it feels like a really strong modern book like a book that was created in twenty twenty twenty twenty one just with the type of humor and the type of characters that are in and i think the there's an emphasis on like at one point in the story with this royal family that gets involved. There's this emphasis on like the 'gendering of royal names right like the 'gendering of king and queen and prince and princess and stuff like that. Why do we even do that. In the first place which i thought was a really interesting note when you've when you're thinking about a book that's kind of all ages this this Kind of pushing this idea that like none of this stuff really matters is just titles. Why do we care I thought was a really cool thing that this book was doing and not in a way. That's like boys are not this and girls and not that it was just kind of in the story naturally We were talking about that quite a bit in her book club. I love this book. It's a first second constant with the bangers. And i don't understand how i'm so happy that they keep knocking out books like this and they're crazy good. I feel like the last three or four years. They've just been killing it. It's a few years ago. I was at a was talking to a At new comic con from first second and he told me that he sent me a box with their more recent books and some that were published earlier but the you know the they still liked a lot and they send me this box with maybe like five or six books inside them inside. I have loved. And that's where for me. Because i tend to like one book at a to like you know. I'm i'm i'm not liking everything that i read but those books were just most of them incredible. I was very very surprised at the overall quality of Of what they're putting out exactly and it's great. Because i feel like a lot of those books are accessible by any type of reader like you could pick this up with a lot of commonality no comics knowledge. And you'll still have a lot of fun and it's all it's mostly all ages. It's mostly like leaning towards like a larger audience than what tom cox typically caters towards. So i don't know what they're doing but they're doing something right over there. Let's kind of that that attitude of Not just putting yourself in the direct market and focusing on like a book sized format that can go in a bookshop or get sold at a book fair or lingua when people are buying especially for these all ages books. A you have a birthday party coming up for your kid and your relatives have no idea what to get them. All of them are going to go into a bookstore and say what should i get my kitten. It's they're gonna pick visually and it's just like a better chance of reaching a wider audience of people who are not specifically tuned into comic books. In what the comic book world is doing definitely will. Let's let's move on a little bit. Let's talk about comic books. That are coming out in the next couple of weeks or so comics are coming out on may twenty six two thousand twenty one here in the us. What are you both excited for this week. Let's start with you. Keira so in direct contrast to saying otis road movie dick and graphic noble format looking ahead to the comic books coming out this week. Top of my list. You all might remember that. Few months ago i was really excited about the my little pony transformers crossover comic book. And they're back. My little pony transformers the magic of cyber trod issue number. Two is out this week and the cover is just like rainbows and robots everywhere. I mean that's awesome like sometimes. I just want comics to be super fun and not have to be something serious In that vein there were a couple of dc comics that stood out to me. There's a stargell spring break special and the star girl television series on the cw. Is i think a good representation of everything i liked about. Dc comics like team based books in the mid to thousands. And when i went to my local comic shop after binging season one and asked for anything star girl or say that. Just kinda laughed at me. 'cause everyone's been buying those folks so Excited that dc is publishing. Some new stuff. And i am a fan of one shots because i like to think that most of them are accessible to new readers and cognizant of the fact that people are gonna be intimidated by something like detective comics. Which has been going for a million years which funnily enough was my third quick pick. Detective comics tend areas six. I know i know i know. I like literally never read a detective comics but there's a new huntress constume design and it's on the cover of that one There's this new batman and hunter's story and murray co tamaki is the writer and so right there. I'm already sold. Yeah and hunters gets a costume redesign. Every few years she is i. Would i would say bold claim. My favorite dc comics character. If i had to pick one and it's like of course. We're not counting batman because batman is everyone's favorite like hundred is my favorite. There's so much darkness and complexity there and i. It's easy to compare her to daredevil. 'cause they both have the catholicism thing going on but her family is actually a mob family so they're able to do a little bit more with that that's interesting to me and The her costume almost always seems to involve some kind of like midriff being exposed and for a really long time. It was just here. Are her entire apps. Like just everything italy. She's running around at night. She's running around at night. That is just pale. Pale-skinned that light is going to bounce off of in portrayed gatien what are you doing but So for this costume redesign. She has just a slip of belly. Showing and i was looking at it and decided. I'm not mad because high waist pants and crop tops are in right now so. I've decided that this was an intentional trendy. Take on hunters costs too and i will. I will not be mad about it unless it an action and all of a sudden. They're just showing like ass shots of her or something. But i hope i hope it'll be good. Ab progress just from a cover may be were scenes. What about you. what are you excited for. It's coming out in the near future. So i'd even a like remove. Please and i don't have coming bookstore around me like the first one is like maybe two hours away. I haven't picked up monthly issues in a long long time. left paris aquarius. You and i go every week and pick up my comics. So now i will wait for trades to come out or i will buy graphic novels so i don't. I don't buy monthly issues anymore. And also like i don't have the space to store them. He's taking a lot of space. So i don't have anything. I don't have a populist anymore. I used to love that. But i don't But in terms of what is coming out. I was wondering if there was a new de class. trade them. Maybe i haven't read. So i would like to order that i. I've read five so far. Do you know. If there's like one more i think there is i think six seven eight four series is okay actually seven eight nine great so i will pick that up. I'm excited for that. And i don't know i don't tend to follow. What is coming out really i. Should i guess. But i just whenever is he like a book popping up on my instagram or twitter Often it's book that that that came out a while ago. And i will get them because it interests me but i don't really follow follow artists when they're coming out their books are coming out But you know i don't. I tend to buy what is catching my eye at the moment. And it's railway something that just came out although i did just get the trade for blue in green. Oh that that book was absolutely fantastic if you haven't read it yet. I wish you the best of luck. That book is in clay. Have read the first issue of it. Okay and. I don't know why i needed to process it so i put the trade down. We'll get back to it but it started off furry. Interestingly i'm very curious about where this is going. The art is just stunning and the writing is excellent. The pros is great. I love the captions. The use of captions Design of that book is incredible. I mean just is stunning. I am unnerved by the cover. Yes view a actually did a cover for one of the one of the issues very uncover. It was So lice ya A while back. I did a har- because that's the obviously the theme going to you're saying about the art and i'm very you know because my heart is so like the opposite of the are spectrum of what the artist is doing. I'm just. I'm trying to wrap my head around how they work. Because i i can't understand. Pencils inks colors but it seems like for work like his work is like how does it go about building a page because it seems like it's so artsy like painting a very different than just your regular comic book process so i have no idea how he goes about Creating those pages. I'm very curious about that. Yeah i mean. That's that's the thing it's i mean. I got imagine you're just sitting here trying to reverse engineer just everything on some of these pages because even as a reader i'm just i'm floored with the mix amount of like types of art that are appear on those pages. It reminds me almost of like like marco rudy. Does this a lot of his books where it seems like. He's using two or three different types of like media to to create his book. It'll be charcoals. And then it'll be penn standings and then it'll be clear colors and stuff and it's like that's the stuff that i'm just kinda familiar with. I'm not even that. Artsy of a person and martin does that too. Yeah yeah yet. I've seen some of those pictures of some of his originals. In it's like stunning you would think this is digital. But no this is all on a page on original art alexa credible. Yeah but i. I have to imagine the scanning process for those as whole problem. I can't imagine well for me. I guess before. I get into my picks. I wanna shout out some of the folks on discord who are listening Danny said there pick was rep till number one Bien said there pick was teenage mutant ninja turtles. The last ronin number three and cinco said there pick was black panther number. Twenty five i for me this week. I'm excited for the blue flame number one particularly because it's from vault but also because it's written by christopher cantwell with art by adam gorham and k michael russell. I'm kind of perplexed because vault comics. Doing a superhero book feels like a strange choice given all the other books that they do. I figure eventually comic book publishers. You're gonna do superhero book but when it comes to vault comics. I know that whatever they're doing it's usually a very different take on whatever genre their publishing so i'm excited to see what can't wills doing with this. It seems like the premise of the book has got a pretty interesting twist. There is this superhero called the blue flame. We don't really know who they are. We don't know why they've had multiple. I guess careers or paths in life like they were in h vac worker and then they were a superhero and then they were this and then they were that and now. They're i guess. The premise of the story is that they need to prove to the universe that humanity is worth saving. So whatever that's going to mean for this book seems like there's a lot that can be impact there. I'm all for it and again it's volt comics. You're always gonna get something pretty interesting from them. Some really excited to see where this book is gonna go. But yeah that's That's my pick for this week. We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back we are talk to elsa a little bit more about her youtube channel and a bunch of other things. She's got going on. So we'll be back in just a minute for our show this week as i said we're talking to elsa sharpei about her youtube series and everything that she's been doing on the internet over the last couple of years including an incredibly successful kickstarter so i guess elsa to get us started How did this youtube series. You kind of told us a little bit about it. In that i started the show like. How did this all come to be. What drove you to like. Start this youtube channel where you're breaking down comics talking about books in a book club. Where did all come from with you and your partner okay. So it's not a long story but it started a few months ago during your kickstarter campaign. We had one of the stretch. Goals was to put together a kona home because it was like midway through the pandemic and people were sad about not going it. It was in the fall and people like i miss. You know shows that that we usually go to during fall and so we did that. It was a two day event online. Where i you know sketched and into questions in had guests and so it was fantastic. A panic handled the whole basically directed like a live. tv show. it was incredible into any had love fund. Doing that and i did too but he was like. Oh i love this so much because he started out as you wanted to become a director. That was his renewal yet. You will you win to films coal and so that was before moving onto comex in writing comics. That was when he wanted to do. And i think that the doing the con- at home kind of a wake that part of him that been sleeping for the past few years and so it was like i wanted to youtube channel. I think that we could do. I know the technical aspects of things. I could put something really nice together. Do you want to write tax Breakdown comics there is. I don't think there are any youtube. Channels that are doing what we wanna do the way we want to do it. So what do you think. And i thought that was a great idea. So we started that in december november. I think that we started shooting the the first episodes in november and we didn't release any of it until i think it was april like beginning of april because it took that much time to figure out everything and make sure that everything was perfect because cake is a perfectionist in the true sense of the termer mike really. It's not a random that a lot of people in michigan everyone knew can have. The channel is saying omega production is incredible because he spent so much time researching in catching up to things that he had been following the lightning at all of that and so he worked like crazy for like six months before we even started Really launching channel. So that's basically the how it happened. That definitely answers my first question which was going to be. Oh yeah this is so clearly. High production values. You had a very intentional rollout like he could have just started recording on your phone and said this is fine and posted. But you didn't use decided to make it this really like there's there's zooms there's like graphic elements moving behind you on the screen. There's projections on the walls while you're sketching and i was just watching it and thinking yes of course. One must become a patron of this. This doesn't just happen. I mean the along those same lines you know i was. I was overall just like floored by like. I think you see a lot of youtubers. Who will who will grow into a level of where i think your show is at from the get-go over more your channels from the gecko as they learn more and more at clearly you. The two of you have studied your the craft. And i made sure that you're highlighting the correct things while things are being spoken like the the editing in a lot of your videos when you're doing page breakdowns. Just has blown my mind like in terms of getting me to think more about comic books and thinking about page layouts and thinking about intentional pieces of things that are on the page. 'cause i think you know as readers we take a lot of things for granted and you highlighting things like the hawkeye breakdown is the one that really sticks out in my mind Just talking about the way that lines are used to draw your attention as a reader and i noticed since watching those videos. I'm starting to see little bits and pieces of those Understanding why is doing the thing that they're doing. Beat like i was reading a book the other day and i noticed that the word bubbles were kind of out of order but when i read the page it didn't seem out of order. I notice that there were very quote unquote hidden directional guidelines to draw me back upwards on the page to read the last word bubble in the correct order ads. Just i'm blown away that that that artists are thinking about that. So seeing you break things down like that on your channel is just just incredible to me. I really really enjoy it. Thank you thank you so much. It felt like being let in on a secret code and actually that episode made me so mad because my reaction was. What do you mean are disarm manipulating me controlling me. It's it's funny because You know as an artist. I do that every day. It's my it's my job. And of course i know most of those techniques and i had a moment where was like probably no one that doesn't work in comics actually knew them it. It's natural for me but it turns out. It is not for a lot of people. Because you know when you when you don't have to do this for a living you can just read an comics without having to think about all of this because you know need to and it's good you should enjoy a book and not seeing the wheels in all of the behind the scenes that could could sometimes in a way. Take you out of this story though. It is good that you don't see them as a reader road. I i think that there was some. That was a an empty space on on comic book youtube on that some tunnels do that. But they can't they don't they probably can't because again we're to they can't put together videos like that because it's a huge amount of work and and a working artist is never going to be able to do that by themselves. It's impossible even handling the writing part. Just that is really hard with the coming books in all the work that i'm doing a on the side as professional artists so of course. No one can do what we do. Because we're right right and that was gonna lead me to my next question. Which was what is the production process. Look like you know you said you writing but pyrrhic does a lot of the everything else. What does that everything else looked like from. Start to finish. Especially when you're saying you know you guys were filming things you know in making things back in december. They're launching in april. What is the planning look like for for a maybe a single video so ideally and it hasn't been ideal so far because we're still in the process of making it part of a routine and it's hard so we had a few videos ahead. You know that were done because we knew that when we launched it would be hard to get into a rhythm but what we would like to do. Starting a couple of weeks from now is taking a week week and a half to like film. Everything in film like a couple of shows per because we have different types of shows. We have a book club like you said. We have case studies in all of the all of those shows have a different setup and the setups and delighting take a lot of time to like just building together and make it to make it work so when you have to build bill sad for which is the one show. It's a waste of time. You what we should do is like film two or three in the same set and we haven't been able to do that because i haven't been able to write them ahead Because i don't have enough time so what we will be doing. Is that film everything over a week. We're gonna have to go back to question the answer. It more bit more precisely. So what we'll do is We'll figure out what we wanna do like this case study for example is going to be about this or that book i will get an exclusive about one. We are gonna be doing an akira case city at some point because of course we will. I don't know if it's going to be the next one or but it will happen. I've started writing something. I'm not happy with it. So i'm going to toss it in start. There is a lot of that. Well i mean it does. I will say like the quality of the videos that we've seen it's like you're not going to get it on the first shot from what ends up being the end of that process. I mean all the videos are great. So far that's what you gotta do. I'm all for it. The case the first case study that we did which was the hawkeye will filmed it three different times over the course of two weeks and it was like this is not good enough. The lightning is not good enough. Might delivery likes maybe dynamism or you know all the Tossed shows after shows. It was like we are never going to launch. Eventually we got into a groove aunts Now we keep what we should most. I see so once we decide on what we do. I will write it and shaniqua thinking about a way to film it because of course as a creative person even the were doing specific shows that are series of the same shows. It's also i don't want it to become boring for him and he doesn't want to so we need to create every time in find new things to add or twist on the show. You know all of these things he will start thinking about this ahead while i right and then when i'm ready we built the set it we should and after that i go back to my staff If we need to record voice over we will record that on the day that we should. I will go back to drawing comics. And then he will edit handle sound And everything that you need to do to to a youtube video and it's a lot of work with your your process with with writing What you want to convey in each episode. One of the things that i found most interesting about your channel is the what if sequences were either. You're taking an existing comic book page. In saying i could convey this information in these other ways or whether it's your film adaptation of videos were you're translating film scene to a comic book page. And saying i could draw this way or i could draw this way and kind of going through that thought process When you're brainstorming for those segments like do you just have pages and pages and pages covered with little panels of concepts and then you just end up picking the ones that you think the work best to show some examples like what is that process look like none necessarily usually what you see on the screen owned video is the ones that i found so there is not a huge amount of stuff that a don't get that get tossed away because it's pro Principles that are that. I know and that i knew work so Yeah i just. What i found. I put in there. It's something good. I do as a when i lay out my pages. I will do alternate of panels So that's why. I put that in there. Because it's just what i do to make sure that it's the right Shot it's right. It's the right angle. All of that I i do alternate versions of panels for me. So when i analyze someone else's work. I will do that in. That helps me understand why this specific panel the one that made it in the page west. The right one so in these youtube videos we are. We are truly seeing. Your process just applied to different things. Yes basically and that's also one of the motivation of of that channel. Is it stuff that i do on my spare time. You know the figuring out the balance of white or just pencilling pages. Did i that. I see on a book that i loved shriners than the i flow in all of that i did that for years and years in still do it may be to a last degree now. to improve and So it felt natural for me to just write them in film them. I i do love that. you do. Share this this appreciation for different artists and different Techniques on your channel. I feel like a a recurring theme with People saying well. How can i break into comics and the answer from creators is always make comics. You wanna draw draw you wanna right right. It's because it's it's people get confused with art. Art is a talent. And it's i'm i don't think it is no one would ask like someone a carpenter Breaking into carpentry. You have to build stuff out of word in this. The only way you're going to get better and find a job and it's the same with art and because it's it's a career in art is so romanticized people imagine that there is some kind of like ki or secret that you need to be in to break in but no we just have to do it until you good enough to be seen by editor or decide you wanna do it on your own but the only way to get better just to do it again and again and again. Nobody wants to hear that. Everyone just wants the secret formula i listen to. I can remember who it was because listen to interviews of artists. And i'm not specifically talking about artists but you singers or musicians in all of that and it's really interesting for me to understand their perspective and someone said something You know someone was asking that artist musician You know life is hard. How do i get over. roadblocks you know. How can i because sometimes people will will want to discourage you from doing what we do what you wanna do and enter said. Just let it if it can't if it can keep you from your dream. It's not really your dream if you have an alternative or if you think that if this doesn't work out i can always do this then maybe art is not for you because i really believe it can. It can feel maybe harsh to say that way. I'm sorry if it sounds it. Come across as harsh but art in the art world is so hard that if you have an alternate you know another option to make a living that you feel comfortable with then you're gonna go that route because art is really really hard and myself off other artists that i know. I know that i wouldn't have been able to do anything else. But art like i am not capable of having a regular job i got before i became an artist. I got fired of the jobs that i had like after a couple of weeks. Because i just can't do it and so i ninety five life and now i just had no choice. No other choice interest. Do the art and until it works. Because i wouldn't wouldn't be able to hold like regular job. I'm not capable of it. I don't know why it just is and so that's why for me. It was in a way easy because it was just my only option. I don't know why. I'm saying this. Because i don't think that question but i would just say it's very insightful. It's it's so interesting. Because you know my mike and i have have worked with People who like they have a day job and then they do their art on on their free time. And so hearing the the the point of view of no there's there's art or there's nothing and you're very clearly doing a lot of different things to make sure that art can stay your career and something that yeah a roof over your head. I want to make like a distinction when you were talking about people who hold a job and have art wither comics or anything else as a maybe a paid hobby. They do some art but don't rely solely on it to to to live. I think that's great. I think that you know. I know a lot of creators who do that. They are very brave because they have a job and then on top of that they create. And i think that's great. I don't see it as you know you're never gonna be able to be an artist full-time because you have a job. Because they are okay with the idea of art being just a part time thing. You know what i mean. It's a distinction. I you know. I'm not saying that you shouldn't do it. If you're okay with it. But saying that i wanna make art. But it's it's hard. I don't want to do all of those things. I don't have the time. I don't have the less where i'm going. That's where i'm going. Yes of course it's hard. It's in in part of why if i minimum a video on that however we re started doing comics professionally and when i realized is liked to draw in wanted to draw for a living i went back to live with my parents because i knew myself and i knew that i would never be able to have a day job and do comics at the same time in the only option was to live rent free so but i know creators. Who do that. You have a job and indicate make it work But i mean it's you know. I'm an all of people who can do that. Yeah yeah. I think it's definitely if an interesting perspective because i think i totally understand what you're getting at. It's like you need to have that drive or or something you know you can't just you can't just fall back and say like well. This is challenging. I guess i can't do it because like you said that it's totally okay. If it ended up being a career it can just be very fulfilling hubby this. Nothing wrong with that. You know it as long as you accepted right. There's no one right or wrong way to be involved with art absolutely. Of course it's it's not because you're not pave it. You're not an artist. I felt i was an artist. Before i got paid is just you know frame of mind and there's nothing wrong about deciding. I don't think. I can fit into that industry or i think it's too hard and i just want to create comics on my own in job and that's great. No definitely i do want to try to bring it back to the channel just a little bit. Just no i appreciate it. I really do appreciate it. Because i think that. That's you know like you said you had a video about this Which i think is a very like a very vulnerable thing to put out there. You know to tell your story where you you had to humble yourself you had to go out there and say like i know i wanna do this so therefore i need to kind of like step back and aimed to build up my my my entire portfolio things like i think that's super great for people and i think that this is like a a really interesting message which kind of segues into the other question that i had like Once cons eventually fingers crossed. Hopefully oh you know all start back up and stuff. Do you think you'll take this channel on the road to try to like push that message encourage people to like keep you know trying to break into the arts and all that kind of stuff like with a panel to explain that story and then also kind of maybe do things that you would do on the channel. Maybe at a panel or something like that. Well that would be hard live just yet okay. Although it is it is a good idea. Yeah t wade's it would be sort of a masterclass. Some artist do that. I feel quite ready for that. Sure sure sure yet. But we'll one of the goals that we have And it's tied up to the to the patriots to is that at some point we would like to go on the road. Nc artists in their studios instead of doing this assume actually go visit their studio in travel across the globe in talk to them in their work environment. that's one of the goals that we have. So yeah definitely component of traveling in the channel in vermont to come. I think that would be fascinating. If only because i know i've seen some artists studios like you know through clips and other things like other interviews and stuff but to actually get that breakdown know talk like artists artists and stuff and even just to do something With the perspective that you're you're channel offers that they could be really really exciting. We're thinking about maybe doing some something like the cast. The case studies. Sue breaking down or powell and have the artists that were visiting. Choose that peach or the and doing with them. You know that could be. That could be fun. Yeah that sounds awesome also a to come back to the production values like mica said. Sometimes you see some glimpses of of artists studios or however much people wanna share about their spaces on social media but that but with your channels production values. It's just gonna experience for everybody that would be the challenging part because when you travel. You can't bring your lights. Reflectors still would be challenging to achieve professionally grow professional. Look without all the weapon that we have the studio it can be done you in pair with just like huge backpacks full of lights and cameras and stuff like that just studios. Well we're sort of running out of tape here. I don't care if you had anything else. You wanted to get into one more question to ask before we wrap up here. Ooh well i just a thank you for creating your channel. 'cause i- listeners to the show know that i don't really focus on when reading comics. It's just my eyes. I know my eyes. I know my eyes goes straight to the words so watching. Your channel was really helpful for me in terms of my my visual literacy of understanding the the breakdowns of of the pages so i personally found that very enlightening and Thank you please keep making videos. They're really helpful and On our break we We were talking about your your wardrobe on the show a little bit. And i said i can't. I can't ask you this question. It's so sexist. Like would we. Would we think to ask a dude. How did you pick your wardrobe for this show. But i just kept staring at your wardrobe the whole time because it was so good. It's if it can make you feel better. Like i said it's a dude who picked up the closer. It's not really a sexist. The question because i didn't pick up the clothes piano did his way better at it than i am. Dressy really really is the whole director of the vision of the story. I said i just write the texts and just sit in where he tells me to. And and where would it tells me which is fine by me you know. I'm happy to comply. That's great you're both work into your strengths. And it's it's creating a a great product Where can our listeners. Find your your youtube page on your patriots page. So my you to page is on my twitter. It's i think it's one of them. Pin twits or and you just google Like i guess you can say google when you're in youtube ridges type in my name when you're and you'll find it and my patriot is also linked in on my twitter. Yeah we'll grab for that stuff and drop it in the show notes and folks find you. Were working people find you on twitter and the rest of the internet under my name. Okay as easy. And i'm not extremely like present on social media would be more but you know foof working. Yeah yeah more present and all of that ben. It's another thing to do. I do want to say because we do have a bunch of our listeners on our discord in in our live room and they've been screaming in caps. Lock how much they loved your second art book so that is so great to hear. Thank you so much. It's it has been quite a ride. The company was huge so naturally fulfilling was a nightmare. Some really happened. People have got their book in their view about it. Yep yeah people are very very excited. I one of our one of our listeners did like unboxing video. I think and he was floored by harley print that appeal made my day it was so sweet hands on his chief. Like this is so great. You'll be very excited to hear that We'll also thank you so much for coming on the show. This has been amazing so happy. We got to talk to you again and good luck with the rest of the youtube stuff. I can't wait to see the next big project. You're we're going to another volume of november coming out that i'm just not aware of or for volume of november Are out so november. Done with and i have a new ongoing series. That's coming out an image in the fall and this is going to be great. I'm very that's fantastic. 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Be the Queen (with Elsa Majimbo) - Episode 8

Rants and Randomness with Luvvie Ajayi

51:58 min | 3 months ago

Be the Queen (with Elsa Majimbo) - Episode 8

"Welcome to the professional troublemaker. Podcast this is the place where we help you. Cultivate the courage authenticity and audacity. You need to use your voice take up space and live a life that is so bold even your wattage stream say goals. I'm your host levy j jones new york times bestselling author sought after speaker. Is sorceress. bringing you thought provoking conversations with people who have taken action done scary please in rocked the boats to an audacious life late. Pray john lewis said. These are the kind of people who are never ever afraid to make some noise and getting good trouble necessary trouble before we jump into. Today's interview know that this podcast is named after my second book professional troublemaker. The fear fight manual which hits bookstores shelves on march. Second two twenty. Twenty one with this book and really with everything that i do. It's because i am on a mission to help. A million people live daesh ously to do that. They must fight their fear so think of it. A million people who are out there standing on the edge of something great and me that little push of encouragement that pushed be the domino to say the hard thing to have the hard conversation to kick their fears so the carbon step into the life. They'd been dreaming enough. And that is what writing this book has done for me. What it's already done for those who've had the chance to read it early empowered people say yes to things. They were previously saying no to empower people to have tough conversations. They weren't going to have before people have asked for raises and promotions and them after reading this book in finding the courage to speak up domino effect of what has been happening when a few people have decided not to live in. The realm of fear has been amazing so think of what could happen. If a million people stopped letting fear be the first factor in their decision making on dacia mission by this one. That i have can't happen without you so i need your help to get this book in the hands of people who need it by a copy of professional troublemaker. For yourself as get for your friend who needs to start living beak. I know it will change your life like change mind and i know it will change. The lives of a million people get a domino effect. There won't be stopped. Preorder professional troublemaker. In hardcover audiobook now at professional troublemaker. Book dot com. Or wherever you want to go excited about this week's guests. Because i am in conversation with comedian and professional bragar elsa majimbo pre global pandemic elsa a journalism student but just over seven thousand followers. Fast forward a few viral videos later in. Elsa is out here with the fence endorsement. Deal with a partnership with mason valentino and so many other things going on she has her own s. Mr song about snacks on apple music in spotify and millions of people around the world waiting for her to drop her next video. Elsa is making her voice heard through her comedy which is amazing and she's one of those people who was born to speak out in the world which is why you might be surprised to hear her talk about how she's shy and quiet reserved our sense of abundance and gratitude in for everything. She has the opportunity to do right now. it's infectious and such an example of what is possible if we feel the fear in doing the things we wanna do. Carless excited to have you on what's going on. I'm excited to be yeah. I'm really happy to be okay so the first thing i always want to know when people are on when you were little for five. What did you want to be when you were growing up. I just wanted to being friends when i was. I just wanted to be fenced. Miana can you imagine. I am telling you my actual dream. That's all i would just see. How on tv and pun the replay would play on the tv all the time and we use of this show called the beats. I would run home. Because that's the fossil that day and i never wanted to make it so i would drown home to watch it just like like he'll go into my dreams. It was amazing for me. It's it's actually. It's quite insane to think about. It's now but that's what. I wanted to be each as abe vats police. Who am i. I also wanted to be like. Yeah so why policewoman. They had guns. That seemed a good. You're like okay. I want to be that okay. So we're actually. I'm talking to also right now a few minutes after elsa just finished talking to riana because she is making her dreams come true every day so she was freaking out when she came on just freaking out texting. I was speaking my phone. And i was texting narrow been empty. Look at your life your life. I cannot be touched already. People can ta also she now. You really can't tell her she's now you can't tell me shit. No tell them people that can't talk to you of look at you today. Today my brother was saying look at me like excuse usa. What are you trying to do. You know i am still lot have versi. I am pleased to hear. So you of course nigerian. You know. I've been to kenya one time nairobi. I came in two thousand fifteen. Love amor obsessed with kenyan katiba. The best i've tried kerry go to obsess. I love kitchen gould. We're fighting on barrett lead by fighting we're building on. It's an audit one time. What time when i was at it doesn't measure to get initial in measure for me. Oh my goodness what were you like when you were little like were you. Were you opinionated. You shy what were you like. I was very akin naked in those. Very hyper i think. I just i sold through so many things. Now think about it. It's very very creepy. But i saw two things people agency. I would see dec- parents like dropping kids going to are coming back picking up the kids going home and basically the life and i remember saying oh gee the mic. Please never let the steamy and it was always the women. It was always. I always sold men. Doing more savvy ones that would go out without find. They would have a friends women. No it would come to school because that kids go to walk. Some of them would be housewives. And that's just why that life revolves around and i just some of them seemed happy with its but most dims and that was like oh god never one to be me and i just found on self love at a very age i would look. I remember being like in the fourth grade and just looking at myself in the red bingo Scrawny you johnny i. School almost rain Almost by baby not succeed. They did not succeed. I got them before they got me. So i think for me growing up was it was mostly filled with confidence than Seeing through people and society in just wanting to read between the lines an thinking about having a big and very rich future. i always like you're gonna be reach awards so you were literally you just like. I'm gonna touchable from the time you little from the get go from the get started started at an all small not snug you. Commute's not new things to me. It's this is the good girl from the very beginning just like love that i love hearing that because a lot of times people are like. Oh yeah when. I was little. I love hearing the sure like no no. I've been this was always like ads. where i grew up with something like this so i thought obsolete saying i so paycheck Chauvinism eyeso- calories name. I'm so racism. I just used to see in many people would ignore. It's not like no. This is crazy you guys note. Seeing this is insane. I just i. I think it's because of my family always always does so. How did your parents encourage that in you. I you know most of though we men as very show in a state so most of the women likely would even give up their careers to raise the kids on like most people would tell me. Oh i've never seen my dad in the kitchen. I was like what is like crazy. My dad coupons all the time. My dad was very busy in would be a talk all the time alexa meydani. No i didn't think hanging onto my dad was fever. I i was like but you. Ut vessel solid like us. That's not me to do that. Other people just thought the data Them was him doing them. A favor was like that's crazy. And my god never puts my mom down or undermine my mom they kind of as us in a way where they seemed. Equal in every indies edition weekend in raising us in doing the house chores in everything. So that's just high end adopt seeing things any event night. My dad always showed me like racism. Color it's just like bush and just being able to grow up in with such strong. Aren't we know what's up at. Who should you. What's up. Not only in how they talk about holiday walk. That's very important. And that's what's made me me today as such a gift. That is such a gift lying. My goodness that is such a gift. Because yes i understand how patriarchy in a lot of our societies. Grown up in nigeria. Saw that clean out. But i was also a product of strong women who would like nine hundred here for that not at all and it really does put you in a position that lets you walk into the world. Like i don't have to deal with any of this true true. I don't have time for this. It's you just walk into the also differentiates amazing so you you have a jungle older brother adam all star also as for you so you. Okay okay okay. How did how does it. How did you grow up in. The house likes to play all the time. I was disney. Kid i never. I never rode bikes. Nobody taught me how to ride a bike watching disney all the time it was very. Oh so much you know. How are you having to remortgage everything as food. They steal food they still claude. Sibling is saying who's going to be today. Identity has to be staged. Your day is this. We've talked so much about to also grab maria. I think very those lavi man. Mike so we would fight over time. But she's the person who. I always told my secrets goes. I knew she never. She never no matter what i do. She would never judging. I can do them with illegal thing ever actually come with me to cover a top aide. She will issue. Yes always been done for me. I spent some time. She hits sharing a bed. But sometimes which is like. See tab. And if i had talks about sunset probably just be together which movie and i would keep that. Didn't she hated people. Such as always. Definitely me my biggest broadway. He's very easily so you just use every chilled guy. Rachel resolve might small above his. he's also uses. He likes He's just he likes. He likes me. Because now i'm able to make money so long as it should be as it should be. You're listening okay. Like my sister statements now. My sister is famous. Okay so one of the things. People don't actually believe. Sometimes you say is that you are a chess championship. Fifteen times chess champion and people. Think your kid and that is like. That's gotta be aggravating. Always i'm joking you. Everything is chess champion. I'm also really good at math and for me it. Just this. I eylau challenges. I love hassles. Infamy me those to the just down to me. I love them. I do so. And when i people always think i'm joking that only think i'm joking. None ever b.'s. Ever believes eighty literally dress the medals and the trophies like. Nah nah. Well let's let's kill it. Killed the masculine all. I want to know exactly. How did you get starting chess because chess is a game that we have a hard time plane. I can't i can't understand just oblivion. I'm also terrible at math but you know so. Yeah tha tell us. How did you get started in chess. And became the champion this when i moved. Schools data High school gino. That's just annoying. So i was fourteen. I'd move schools. I didn't have friends then. I saw people when i was walking around one day During the club squeeze job clubs. Ibm a club. I do not transact. Bob so i talk are under school and look the bods. The london king across the swimming pool area The people rain chance in the corner as like oh this i know the girls is like this. I was like what then like. It's too complicated. You never get like. Oh okay. i'll okay. I was like nah. You say what she wants to watch. He has a mind island business watching correct. I went to the coach. And i was like hey essentially arts betas okay. Cool and he talked me in a few months. I was able to be taught in about to be ruled school. Revenge sweets well off his call back in dislike. Kill them all so then. What was the first championship that you won the championship. I won the national and it is very vague creaky. I was playing very quickly. So i almost lost any other thing. Chaz is you if you're End one screw up so if you screw up it's for you unless i screw up so i just i would think so quickly so. I was touching on pieces on moving homeless lost. Cause then she messed up once like this. Is it tells. Like i win you. I'm going to the dupleix. The next level gernot baram. And that's amazing battles in national than i just i felt amazing is also now. You have fifteen medals and trophies now fifteen medals and trophy. Do you think chess has taught you how to move through life. It definitely he. Has i feel like every knife is lectures. You know Once you mess up it takes a specially if you mess up usually it takes Quite a beach to redeem yourself just like chess. They got punt. So the ponder. This milan's like if you mess up with the pond. It's not that iggo radio consist one point. But if you lose your queen. That's there's like an eighty percents chance to clean like i. It's it's horrible. It's horrifying so it's like just like you have to be very precise when you move you have to be very you have to be very strategic with everything you do and also just being night We we've chest it depends on the pieces protecting a pc's that's the only survive so even as people it depends on protecting you. Who's behind you. Who's your roku. You're still who you can rely on and you just need to know that you can't always rely on your you. Can you can be strong enough. But even the queen can't survive alone. You know you always need to have someone even if it's just a small porn sometimes the point protects the queen if it's upon which is protecting you just need that small on car and just move good moves quietly and at the end of the b. c. j. eight sir. So you're the queen on the board right now now under criminal board like this last year has been for you how. I don't remember the first video of yours that i saw. But what was the video that went viral. Four you that put you on everybody's radar a. I think the biggest quit me into the american market. The phosphide is ben t the defensive the campaign seventeen. that's definitely puts me in the american markets. Any no before. America was instrumental countries. Now it's my very talk country. They have fatty to park said that. That's two percent of my audience and they just grows every single day. It's absolutely insane. Mytalk cds new york americans. It's going to the roof. But i feel like the one that twenty viral With everyone is up me. I would be spending you. But it's and what major start doing that because before last year. What did you actually start doing. Content created i just intern extent on ad moved schools and i was at a new school came into a new school when i started thing chest so during the holiday i can tell by chance without telling so i did i do. I made video and the I made islands like god. You're absolutely hilarious. You are the funniest thing right now. You'll what's up. So i was like okay cool. I was like let me pose ads. Line it for. Save anything on of me. It's like cool. Whatever i'm not losing much difference between through and wanted doesn't really affect me. I i you know i love to talk without that so i would out there for some time and it's It just to my philosophy grew by very very snowy and then last year in a few. I made a video and evan went crazy away. Powers like on every They've all been knocked out in the end. I'm use those wads just job everyone insane and everyone this laughing. So that's when the chew the to trajectory gun. You remember the first major celebrity that we posted you. Yes new pizza. Lupita new sister. I came when it had about two hundred thousand dollars. Like if you don't follow jimbo a you crazy go full. How right now and she just. She's very encouraging. And until now and how we have a very good relationship and she's someone who i feel like. I most definitely on if anyone in hollywood tries to play with me. I'm just gonna be like a. Upc let me tell you was up and actually someone who will go guns blazing and be like. I hadn't your trinity something else that you crazy crazy ahead. I'm laura after like she someone who's very she's always knew that from the nfl. Like she's on. Who still out for me she. She's definitely my sister one hundred on my desk. So do what. How has your life shifted this last year. Walking browns never margin speaking to people. I like my gene. Never ever liked the brand. I'm speaking to right now. But things i think about like i'm right. Now i'm joaquin fees High high fashion new mocking with. I'm getting into high fashion. And the brand. I'm getting into high fashion meet The introduce them to me is study and even the same that why thing. Wow anything is also very nice. I i i love. India thing is yesterday yesterday. She texted me. Shows like hey. I haven't spoken a lot. I just want to check up a new. You and what i saw that i was like no this day are texting me. It's it's a roller coaster. I still believe. It'll definitely taking some time. Just to chris thinking yeah and and went missing gaming. Adjust reply to those like. Oh that's no me. Just you know she. Hod commented on my poll is very supportive. She commenced an all night booze. And i was like unbelieving all this amazing social all this amazing people. It's this insane. The browns powell even processed navy that that is overwhelming in the best way. How you process this at. I wanted to arctic very cool and be like okay. Yes okay. yeah yeah. Yeah that's okay. Yeah oh chrissy teigen okay. Hey what's cool. And then i was like no so i just i was like i'm wanna freak out in front of them so last time i was texting like do you know who you are so i just i just i think i process to netting utah. It's and you know. The thing is Most of the eighty celebrities also have like a lot up even things. I'm very excited about and by come in about. I tell them everything if tamara. i'm having. I'm doing our collaboration. Bill and i need to meet vigilant parties. Ethnic mentioned be secrets. I tell them everything. And that's how i let us. They have so many things on lake. It's like okay. What school for the units. A second the mountain thing. That's a do you have a journal. Like i'm just like yo. So whirlwind over here just listening to it. I'm like oh my guy who are overwhelmed for you may fruit like tell me more. I use journal. But i lost it. I don't do annoy tone. But sometimes i just stay up and i think and i'm like i'm like this this. This is me. This is my life and they just go blank opinions. And it's just like as shoot. Eventually it's shocking. It's shocking this is wild. So how would you even deciding. Now what you're saying yes to what you're saying no to his people throwing things at you. Everyone is coming. What i love most about not position Tone so great for full is that i have a challenge of getting to walk with the best of best. Let's say i need to walk with Television i talk. I wouldn't wa- quiz television network. What's coming up with like viacom mtv lia. You'll likely comedy central. Those are the people that are reaching me. And i'm so grateful for that. Because i didn't have to go and do my research clues the things that are that that's coming towards me already. Being vouched for by westbound seen them doing doing my whole life. The i'm i'm just. I'm really grateful i didn't i get i get to peek at the very top of the body. It's amazing that's amazing like you in a position. That's why i was like yo. What is elsa. How is she even functioning right now. Because i'm like in the stratospheric rise in a row. How was your family like processing this themselves. They're seeing you doing all these things. Oh layer my family. They kind of make fun of me. I make fun of me badges. And the i'm like when when i was when i was texting behind on teeth i will so many times. Are we really then my doubles like. Oh a what what are you doing. I'm just texting re agree. And then they all laugh and they die like look notre. Because if i'm just you know. If i'm just starting something design not and i'm like only like sometimes i might be just like using might deal and my name they'll be like were and just need just or laugh so they find it very funny than like this guy They just you know to me. I'm just the same the same. Just a baby. The same baby always been so for me for me changing to them. It's you know when. I keep everything it's just funny. The from the everything. I do to them. Is this finding cute. 'cause you always gotta have your family that keep you humble you. Do i watch be seen i loss. It's not internet at once a week. No i wish to four times a week is this family will humble. They will keep your states by for us. Does that job as the rest of the word is like elsa else i'd like kinda elsa go wash dishes go. Maybe that'll just relied good job. Yes that is important and then what about your friends fans very. That's like most about my friends is that they know about everyone else's making such a big deal big deal as of things that they kind of things now more for me. They nets do the same. Things are doing just like in more areas and they just stay the same and i completely completely completely love that. Of course they are like a few will try to overcompensate. They call me every day. Text me every bit you do. It doesn't like this before. Leave me alone. the i've just my friends have been very supportive in a way in a way which may doing Defensely doing change the behavior as they do. They're not like all you. You're guessing money take me for lunch. They don't do drugs they just good good so with all the stuff that's dropping at your lap like what for you is like a big thing on your wishlist. What is this thing. What is something that you would want to see happen. Even if it's i want it to be of and i know it's to be audacious already so i completely completely completely completely from thinking love have been hacked and bias so if i could talk to the hot and then it's produced and or directed by kenya barriers. That's logistically would be like ups done everything i need to do. This thing that is around. I feel like we get get more. Specific is this a tv show. Is this a film film. Spilled a movie this very funny movie. Kevin hi in so funny. His still funny is this. He's funny shot martin. He's so funny from one of what he would these watching house. Underwriting would watched the first episode chiller. He cannot in everything in his the cried along the small guy who needs to end chas. I do like in jumanji. The small guy that iran pushes are on his debate. Finding small guy this axial very well he just as israel's very well and it can go from having a deployed to like and so so the wishlist is a film with kevin. Hart act in that is produced or written by kanye bears. Okay we're gonna put this wishlist out in the universe because usually when we it out loud like that. It has a tendency to come true so when it comes through just replay this clip and said it will remember when we get prophesied. Yes okay. Who is your dream brand to work with about a bit more complicated. After all the guys. I would have dreamt of walking with the one brand. I have no connection to is fast Okay though a few why. I've by the one i would've jumped up walking with avenue action to enforce such she. I just think everything is done from johnny to do not tell they've just say yes the most iconic things on the scene and i look at the show from the nineties and things agents shorts on your on everything they've done it is so i it. I look at everything Is the two for raja that such exactly lost touch. God is so we cover suchy. Okay okay again. When that collaboration happens we'll be like understood. Who is your what is your. What is your dream project. that's not a film. i think just Very i my dream project is of very. It's a very deep deep and doc Film that shows the realities of life. And you know. I feel i. I'm yeah i used to. So many yongle ill this Having having eating disorders and you know just going all cereals. A and i feel like most films outta In a good way like they have good intentions but so many. Don't actually cop child. What's happening and how we tease like. Most of them make it look like People just go out that they stop themselves. 'cause that's how they wanted to stop themselves because they want to be a model but that's not talking to people will stop themselves with the people people stop themselves. Because that's how the total are going to be. And i feel like just walking on sunday like the us would be deemed a while to me. I really i really wanna do that. Very very duct very intimate very very idealistic young sphere fighter february and our mission. My mission is to empower one million people to fight their fear in order to achieve their wildest dreams so the month of february were inviting you to join me in the rest of love nation for the fear fighter. Challenge each day in february when you sign up for the daily emails at fear fighter. Challenge dot com. You will get a call to action that will help you fight. Fear that day. Simple things that can get you closer to being davis and you don't have to do this alone. Join us each day. Love nation dot com my online community and app. Which downloaded on. Your phone is free where you can link up with other firefighters to gas each other up. Y'all come on so you sign up at the fighter. Challenge dot com. What do you think people would be surprised to learn about you. That's i'm shy and be shy. Really i am on soc are given their rights crowd. I will not. I todd i will just i ll that in. Just be christ. I wanted girl on my phone just required. Not everything and smile. Yeah given can intimidating scam. So i am absolutely completely in just shy ended sometimes even like in things. 'cause you know my manager told me his like just think about oxygen. Just think about the so. Sometimes when i'm meeting. I think a bunch of acting anna just kind of octa So unless i feel comfortable l. Just be very vague scheiber. Oh that's a big surprise. Like shocks me best shocks me and i know you probably doing a thousand meetings. Nowadays you got zoom fatigue yet. Not really 'cause they're making me money so is true the not yet. Here's the thing though. The zoom means will always make you money. Still how you not hijack making i just every time i get tired. I think about my knee and earlier a month again. You're like the money energizes. Be energizing in miami. You know what the worst part is like the pandemic pandemic you'd be all these events right now like also there's one event there's one event every year that you would have been at this year. That would have been like epic. And i'm so mad. This the one event that miss the most because a quarantine which the essence leading women not essence. Black women in hollywood yvette. I'm that's the one event i mad about. That's the one event that i'm like really took me it. Will attend exterior. Is his name in. Jesus name in because all the people you named be at that event than day abedian blue peter be. They're like and angela. Bassett oprah lean away like inside daily. It is so yes every year. I pays me. He pays me and it happens. Every it happens like the thursday before oscar weekend. And i just want to see it out of quarantine because that event is so soul filling because all these powerful black women in one place being celebrated it just feels so good. It feels so good and you'll be there next year will quarantine that big. Please stop how lord and in you will end in jesus name inches and do the who is somebody who you would love to meet at the first event that you go to one quarantine is over. I i would love to meet. Bows oma saint. John she in nasty these She is our house. I have never seen a woman. So oh i have watched someone such a long time and she she she does everything. She doesn't just do it. She dies it's gone. Well she is a vase and she just. She commands everyone attention. She is someone who is. She's such kind also one such strong personality. She's everything is she's on the first line. I freaking out and i sent her about like five west note of need screaming of sexy for such a long time. But i've been so scared. I hope doesn't scare you end. She was so nice about inch of like you can call them down. It's fine but she just i'd love. She's amazing vos is big sister of life and how people see as this powerhouse like she's a fighter for people who she loves like the best thing about her is bose leads as well as she loves. And i think that's really why she continues to soar like what you see is actually real and then even deeper. She's magic that's that's that's the homey and i think like it's oakland when i'm interviewing context and right now we were. What's that right now. It's going to be a good conversation but she's she's amazing. So yeah that's going to be a good parent. I'm really glad that you have her. You have access to her because you this. You're only nineteen elsa. Think you understand the fact that you're only nineteen is actually wild because you are already getting doors open for you. Your opening doors that most people would never even know exist. I it's it's what's happening for you right now is magical and deserved and i hope that you get all the insight about all the mistakes we made. So you don't have to make the good thing is i. Have you guys to tell me what's up. So that's them was beautiful about all this. I of view. I don't need to watch you guys ended. I know you'll you'll be very straight with me and you'll be like no elsa that's messed stop. Why would he do that. Don't do the odds you know not to do i. You and i feel like that's the best part about this. I have you guys by my side. It's not something i have to watch. I have fast and bats a beautiful blessing like you winning. Listen i'm so excited for you. I'm so excited for what is waiting for you. That's going to blow your mind even more like i'm just watching and being like this is this is a magical stuff. That could not have happened for any of us like in the way it's doing for you and the fact that you are still being authentically yourself like i just hope you never lose it as you're in between the meetings in between the zones as they're clearing you away to paris to do all. These campaigns just always stay you in a way that nobody can move it because you like. It gets tough after a while because people love the underdog story and as you get bigger and bigger people going to start throwing things at you. Don't blow to your true searcher worth. So i'm ready for it though. You're ready for super ready. Raby spend it's gonna be such an amazing johnny icon on and icon to see it takes like how will you taking care of yourself in this time. What are you doing to kinda stay grounded. How you like staying good in the middle of the busy. I feel like the most the thing that keeps me Most of the time is my relationship with god. And it's it's very. It's very. I think i feel like it's snows. And if such a safe space for me and it's just an ankle told me in everything and it just it always gallons and it's such a beautiful relationship. I feel like it's a very. It's a very nice face in which i'm not charged and i can always go or myself and i'm always lead into the past is correct. So that's the thing. That's the thing in my life i cherish woes and i would not trade for anything and it's it's all part of my life i can always plan to S amazing desk clutch. That's much because listen. God sprinkled some fairy dust on you like god was like let me give extra piece of favor or let me throw extra mercy and grace in there too. 'cause girl all of to gave me Through on me. It's it's incredible. I am so grateful to you. And i just i i only. I'll always hall this conversation's game. It's not like it's like actual conversations next week to him. And i just saw him hall thankful. I am because everything got into neat. It's miraculous and it's cannot be explained any array. So i'm just in all it's in vain and i'm i'm grateful that i have him on mine side. It's amazing to watch. It's amazing to watch. Listen we thanking god costantly. 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Disease Forgery Pt. 1

Medical Mysteries

41:30 min | 1 year ago

Disease Forgery Pt. 1

"Listener discretion is advised. This episode contains graphic descriptions of childhood, sexual abuse and medical afflictions that some people may find disturbing. We advise caution for listeners under thirteen to protect their privacy. Patient names have been changed throughout this episode. We've chosen the pseudonyms to present this story. Christmas was over, and everyone was done ringing in the New Year. In a quiet mid western town, the only sounds were the whistling of wins and an ambulances siren. At the local hospital's intensive care unit nineteen ninety-one was off to a perilous start. Paramedics rushed in a young woman in her mid twenty S. she had a one hundred and six degree fever, and her blood pressure was extremely low. The Woman Who Will Call Elsa was in septic shock. Microscopic, bacteria had found their way into her bloodstream, and her body was waging a war against the invaders. When doctors cut off her blouse, they saw scars from previous surgeries covering else's body. Else's high fever made her delirious. She couldn't remember simple details about her life. If her body temperature crawled just a little higher to one hundred eight, she could suffer from permanent brain damage from their. She'd have a matter of minutes before her organs shut down completely. The doctors worked furiously to save else's life. During her brief moments of lucidity, she realized her time was running out. But Elsa had a secret. This wasn't the first time she intentionally done this to herself. When our bodies fail, we trust doctors to diagnose the problem, but medicine isn't always an exact science. Sometimes, it's a guessing game with life or death stakes. This is medical mysteries a podcast original I'm Ali and I'm Richard. Every Tuesday will look at the strangest real life medical cases in history and the experts who raced against the clock to solve them. You can find episodes of medical mysteries, and all other park cast originals for free on spotify over ever you listen to podcasts to stream medical mysteries for free on spotify. Just open the APP. Anti medical mysteries in the search bar. This is our first episode on disease forgery, a condition where patients fake injuries or intentionally make themselves ill. This week will explore a bizarre form of disease forgery known as Munchausen Syndrome recently renamed factitious disorder. We'll try to understand what motivates someone to fabricate an illness. Next week we'll look at disorders like Munchausen Syndrome by proxy now called fictitious disorder imposed another or the way in which parents caretakers, even friends impose their condition on a loved one. This is even more likely to be. Fatal will explore the hopes for a cure or treatment. In Nineteen, Ninety, one twenty twenty-four-year-old. Elsa kicked off the year with another visit to the emergency room. Only this time Elsa was near death. Her blood pressure was perilously low, and her organs were starved for oxygen and nutrients. Doctors immediately started Elsa on powerful antibiotics and took blood samples to find out what had infected her body. The staff worked for hours until they managed to stabilize her blood pressure and bring down the fever, but it would be days maybe months before Elsa fully recovered, she had sepsis a life threatening complication that stems from infection. Typically. Our immune system releases antibodies into our blood to fight off bacteria or viruses. The antibodies great fevers inflame the sinuses to kill the invaders. Often when you feel sick, your symptoms don't come from the disease itself, but from your body's efforts to fight off the germs, but sometimes your immune system over compensates, and your antibodies caused more damage than the pathogens do. Steps occurs when the Immune Response Causes Inflammation and breathing problems. If untreated, it can be fatal. This was the first time Elsa had gone into septic shock, a severe form of Sepsis. It wasn't her first medical emergency. She'd been treated for a variety of conditions in the past. Else's bizarre symptoms had begun when she was eighteen a few months after she was in a serious car accident. She developed stomach ulcers damage to the stomach lining that's caused by certain foods or infections and later bladder trauma, which can be caused by severe injury. But neither seem to be related to the crash Elsa returned to the hospital every few months with new and bizarre symptoms. Every time doctors got close to a diagnosis. She developed a new malady that through all their theories into chaos. She was an anomaly. A patient plagued by one mysterious disease or accident after another, she underwent innumerable diagnostic tests and a variety of invasive surgeries, but her doctors couldn't put their fingers on the main 'cause. None of it made sense by the time she reached her twenties. Elsa had been hospitalized about two dozen times. The trauma took an emotional. Toll Elsa dropped out of college more than once because she was too sick to study. She didn't have adequate insurance in her hospital. Bills left her four hundred thousand dollars in debt on top of that she had no social life to speak of and her parents didn't seem to be a part of her life at all. Her doctors felt for her. She'd suffered through so much in didn't even have a support network. Her internal care specialist, whom will refer to as Jane, became very close with Elsa. Jane worked tirelessly to connect the bizarre and seemingly unrelated symptoms to find a diagnosis. But. She never managed to fit the pieces together. The nineteen ninety one trip to the hospital was the closest Elsa had ever come to death. But as she recovered over the next few days, she felt compelled to confess something to Jane. All of her illnesses had been self inflicted. Elsa had boiled lead pipes and drank the water to get lead poisoning, she or drain cleaner into capsules and swallowed them. She'd even injected her bladder with drain cleaner, causing irreparable damage that would forever leave her urinating into a bag. The list went on and on. Sometimes she'd only pretended to have stomach pains, so she could be admitted to the hospital once there. She would secretly add blood to her urine to convince doctors. She needed more care. She'd managed to fool her physicians time after time because Elsa was an expert liar, pathological lying sometimes called Mitha. MANIA CAUSES PEOPLE TO FIB compulsively. It's not like telling a little white lie to save face or impressive blind date. Pathological Liars often can't control the scope of their fabrications. Sometimes, the condition is tied to an emotional disorder, but that's not always the case. Sometimes their motivations are unclear. Elsa often researched specific medical conditions then she'd carefully describe her faked symptoms to make her lies more convincing, but that didn't explain why. Her doctors hadn't investigated ailments more closely. Else's physicians had accepted her stories at face value. They done their best to find a medical rather than psychological explanation for her condition. They'd run endless tests. Most of which had come back inconclusive they made educated guesses and prescribed dozens of medications, and that was exactly what Elsa wanted. Every time. They thought they'd found an answer. She create a new symptom to baffle them, and her compulsion was getting worse each visit. She needed to get even sicker to remain in their care. But this time Elsa had gone too far. Already sick with influenza. She bought an insulin syringe from pharmacy and injected herself with excrement, the combination of fecal bacteria and the virus brought her closer to death and she'd ever been. It left her in a hospital room, confessing the whole story to Jane. As, she heard Elsa Story Jane's I thought may have been that. The young woman was suicidal. Perhaps the initial car accident had triggered some sort of depression. Elsa denied that she didn't want to die. But she couldn't stop hurting herself. Until she opened up to Jane. Elsa had never told anyone about her struggles. She'd always worried that she would be mocked or met with contempt. Thankfully? Jane was ready and willing to help, but when word spread that Elsa had caused her own illnesses, other medical professionals refused to see her. Even a psychiatrist turned also way. They couldn't help someone who compulsively lied about their Condition Elsa had hoped or brush with death and subsequent confession were her rock bottom. Surely. It was the up call that would push her to get help. But instead for the next few years. Elsa continue to injure herself and lie about it. She couldn't stop herself. And because many of her local doctors wouldn't treat her, she had to go to new extremes to keep up the charade. She began driving to other states to seek treatment for her. Self inflicted elements. Elsa needed someone who understood what she was going through. Someone seen her condition before and wouldn't judge her. But that person didn't seem to exist. Elsa feared she die before she ever found a cure. Coming UP ELSA discovers illuminating. Clues about her condition. High listeners you're fascinated by the mysterious and manipulative side of true crime. You'll love. The stories told in the park cast original series colts. Every Tuesday. Step inside minds of those who lead and followed the most controversial radical and sometimes deadly organizations in history. Go, beyond the headlines, and discover the foundation behind notorious colts like Jim Jones and Peoples Temple the rush movement Heaven's Gate and more. Each episode of Colts is fool of illuminating details of their improbable origins and sinister intentions. But, not all colts. Our from decades past. Be sure to catch the special four part series on Nexium a Modern Day pyramid scheme turned sex trafficking cult doomsday predictions, religious beliefs extraterrestrial orders find out what really happens inside a cold subscribed to colts, free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Now back to the story. In Nineteen Ninety, one twenty four year old. Elsa checked into the emergency room with a near fatal case of SEPSIS. She'd been admitted dozens of times before with mysteriously unrelated symptoms. But this time Elsa confessed that she injected herself with cleaning supplies chemicals, even her own feces to stay sick. A short time later Elsa discovered a book by psychiatrist Dr Mark Feldman. He was a world expert on disease forgery of behavior that involves faking or intentionally causing illness and in Feldman's book. She found a name for what she was going through. Munchausen Syndrome. The definition of Munchausen Syndrome has evolved over time, and has since been replaced by the term factitious disorder imposed on self or FD, according to the Mayo Clinic people with FDA go to. with, fake or self inflicted symptoms, they sometimes insist on unnecessary tests and procedures to diagnose or treat their ailments. FDA is often confused with another kind of disease forgery known as Malinga Ring, patients who lie about their illnesses to achieve specific goal for example someone with a drug addiction who breaks toe to get a morphine prescription or a worker pretending to be sick to earn disability checks, people with FD may also lie, but for more complex reasons. Their behavior isn't necessarily self-serving. Sometimes, it's the opposite. Else's actions led to physical and financial suffering, and she couldn't quite explain why she was lying in the first place, nor could she will herself to stop. FD had baffled patients, doctors and researchers since it was first discussed in eighteen, thirty six. Scottish Dr Hector Gavin later published an essay titled on Feigned and Factitious Diseases. Many of his patients were soldiers. He'd observed on active duty. It was here. He discovered the first modern medical description a something resembling Munchausen Syndrome. Gavin broke the disorder down into three distinct categories, the first including cases where symptoms were entirely made up like a child faking a stomach ache to get out of school. The second category included cases where symptoms already existed, but were greatly exaggerated like waking up with a mild headache and pretending it's a Migraine Devon's final category included diseases that were deliberately caused or made worse by the sufferer. Self injury. Gavin was largely disinterested in people's motives for faking or exaggerating illnesses. He assumed that most of the soldiers he observed regardless of category, were seeking a ticket home, but he allowed that some may try to excite compassion or interest or receive gratification in deceiving their officers, comrades and surgeons in other words, some patients sought attention, or they like to feel like they were getting away with something, but even these motives were in Gavin's is ultimately self serving? Gavin only published this one paper on. On the subject, and over time it faded from memory. The term factitious disorder still appeared sporadically after Gavin's essay, including an eighteen eighty-six medical text book called a treatise on the principles and practice of medicine, though the word factitious wasn't used, the concept was discussed at length in nineteen, thirty four paper by the influential American psychiatrist Dr Karl Manninger. He rejected Gavin's theories that most people with the condition had selfish motivations. He observed several patients with the disorder who risked their own lives for no obvious game. In Dr men angers time diagnostic tools like MRI's and cat scans hadn't been invented. If, a problem didn't show up on an x ray or a simple blood test. Doctors would have had to cut into the patient to see what was wrong. Back then all surgeries were extremely risky. Although penicillin had been discovered in nineteen, twenty eight, it would be more than fourteen years before the drug was readily available without antibiotics, even minor procedures often lead to life threatening infections, sometimes necessitating amputation. Menander was surprised that some people would lie and manipulate their way into. And risky operations, so he called this behavior. Holly Surgical Addiction Manninger couldn't come up with any rational nation for why people would fake serious illnesses or seek these dangerous procedures like Gavin. He noticed some patients risked their life retention or to achieve some personal goal, but that didn't explain every case or even most of them instead manninger believed that the behavior was pathological. Pathological and stemmed from the repression of unconscious desires in simple terms, repression refers to a process where a person forgets a memory or emotion that is too difficult or painful to deal with. They don't consciously choose to set the memory aside. It typically happens involuntarily, but they haven't really forgotten anything. The recollection still resides in the subconscious, influencing a person's desires or behavior. For example, let's imagine a child is bullied in school there. Bruises and black is eventually he'll, but for years afterward they can't bring themselves to think of the taunts and torments. They endured. By the time the victim reaches adulthood. They don't remember the bullying at all. But they still have a hard time trusting people and may be afraid to stand up for themselves. Because of their formative experiences at the time fame psychologist Sigmund Freud believed that repressions such as this led to phobias addictions, and in some cases even paralysis, but men anger had a solution. Key, believed that another one of Freud's ideas, psychoanalysis could cure conditions that were caused by repressed memories. He talked to his patients and analyzed their dreams. Believing this would reveal their unconscious desires. Menander believed that once his subjects understood the root cause of their behavior. They could improve. Unfortunately psychoanalysis was a new treatment and Menander may have done more harm than good. He and other therapists at the time used tools like hypnosis to try to uncover repressed memories. Today scientists know that practices like this can actually create false traumatic memories and caused more psychological distress in nineteen, fifty, one prominent British physician Richard Asher improved upon manninger's research. Ascher was intrigued by a number of patients whose symptoms didn't match the physical tests he'd performed. For example, one patient complained of ulcers, but the X. Ray was clear, and an exam showed no evidence of them. Asher also realized the patient had created a false but convincing medical history to fool the doctors in addition to lying about their illnesses, ashes patients told outlandish falsehoods about their lives often with dramatic flair. One man's spun detail about being taken as a prisoner of war in nineteen, forty two. But inquiries revealed that for much of this time he was actually a patient at another hospital. Ashes. Patients reminded him of a book he'd read growing up the surprising adventures of Baron von Munchausen. Munchausen was a barren who fought for the Russians. Against the Ottoman Turks. In the eighteenth century, he had a reputation as a fabulous who regale his guests with detail and likely fake stories of his own bravery, as your thought that this kind of compulsive lying or suit a logica fantastic. was similar to what he'd seen in his patience, so he called the behavior Munchausen Syndrome to make the condition easier to identify. He explained that patients often presented stomach pains, bleeding disorders or seizures, possibly because these symptoms were the easiest to simulate. But the motivation for their behavior remained a mystery. Asher wrote the most remarkable feature of the syndrome is the apparent senselessness of it. Unlike the Malinga, or who may gain definite end? These patients often seemed to gain. Except the discomfiture of unnecessary investigations or In, Nineteen Eighty Munchausen Syndrome referred to as chronic factitious disorder, was added to the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders or Dsm, a guidebook for American psychiatrists to classify and categorize mental health conditions by the two thousand thirteen edition of the DSM the term used to describe the behavior was factitious disorder imposed on self or FD for short, although much housing and FD are still used interchangeably other types of factitious disorders have been researched over the years like factitious usher syndrome where someone pretends, they cannot see or hear or factitious, Quadriplegia, in which a physically healthy person fakes paralysis Dr Mark Feldman who specialized in disease forgery knew that each of these conditions required serious intervention. Unlike, delusional patient, who may lose touch with reality, fd patients were fully aware of what they were doing, and they could be very savvy at covering up their actions. That's part of why diagnosing FDA is extremely difficult is more similar to a criminal investigation than to a medical examination. People with F. D. frequently feign or create symptoms that are difficult to diagnose. For example someone may show up at a hospital and claimed they had a seizure before a rival. Some seizures leave little to no trace. Meaning the only evidence is the patient's verbal accounts. And with the rise of online medical databases like Web MD potential fakers now have all the knowledge they need to deceive their friends, family and Doctors without a smoking gun. The suspicious physician faces a moral dilemma. Choosing to ignore a patient's symptoms could result in their decline or even debt, and when there is evidence that it condition is fate, some patients respond with denial and aggression. oftentimes, they'll even threatened to sue the doctor who accused them? Because Tissues Disorders involve deception. It's hard to get a solid estimate of how prevalent they are. A February two thousand seven study from the Psychosomatic Journal estimates that one point. Three percent of doctor visits are related to FD. That's thousands of unnecessary tests, surgeries and prescriptions each year that creates an immense burden for caretakers and patients alike. People with. FD May go bankrupt seeking unnecessary treatments. If their symptoms are severe enough. They may lose. Jobs and miss out on social events. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose, but they still don't stop. The question becomes. Why? Coming up. We'll dig into else's childhood and try to get to the source of her extreme behavior now back to the story. Around Nineteen eighty-five, when Elsa began injuring herself, she had no idea just how far her obsession would go. Six years later, she thought confessing to her doctor would force her to finally stop. But. It didn't help. When she finally found psychiatrist Dr Feldman's book. She wrote to him begging him to treat her when he agreed. Elsa moved to Alabama where Feldman practiced. She knew that if she wanted to get better, she had to push herself to be honest intercessions, and that men telling the truth about her past. Elsa didn't have a typical childhood in the nineteen seventies when she was in elementary. School Elsa burned her family's house to the ground. She was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility. Even though she insisted that she'd meant to harm anyone. She did it to bring the family together. What that meant to. Elsa isn't entirely clear. But we know that her parents fought relentlessly, and she came from a dysfunctional home, according to a study in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. Children who grow up in unstable environments are at a higher risk for mental health conditions like depression, anxiety and addiction. That's likely because human beings form attachments at a very early age, beginning with the bond between infant and mother. This relationship defines normal for the young child. Ideally, that parent is a source of love and stability. But if a mother is absent or indifferent, the child may conclude they aren't important enough to deserve love. This feeling of worthlessness may push them to act out or to look for attention elsewhere especially later in life. Conversely if a parent is volatile and unpredictable, that teaches the child to be careful to walk lightly for fear of setting them off. He or she learns not to expect affection or to be suspicious when receiving it and this skepticism can last a lifetime. During her stay at the psychiatric residents facility also suffered new abuses from the staff. She was tied up and beaten, punished and humiliated Elsa was a prisoner locked away with sadistic guards, but one afternoon while working in the Facilities Kitchen Elsa had an idea. She spilled corrosive of and cleaner on her arms in cried for help. The orderlies rushed her to the infirmary where at least for a little while Elsa was safe and cared for. Elsa could escape from her abusers by injuring herself, so she kept at it. She drank juice mixed with cleaning chemicals. It burned a softness and caused massive stomach pain. But I didn't care in the infirmary. She felt safe. Nurses trade her with great kindness, and in her mind. Elsa began to equate sickness with survival. Eventually, her psychiatrist decided Elsa was fit to return home. They had no idea she was intentionally injuring herself and didn't see any other signs of emotional disorders. Over time, else's stopped self harming, but when she was eighteen, Elsa was in a terrible car accident during that stay in the hospital, something clicked. In her attentive caretakers. Elsa, found something she'd craved for as long as she could remember. A family. Nurses sat at her bedside, eating lunch with her. Talking laughing, and telling her everything was going to be okay. In else's words I thought. I had found heaven on earth. For. The First Time Elsa experienced something. Most of US take for granted. Think back to a time in your childhood when you were sick. Maybe your parents took your temperature, told you to stay home from school and showered you with attention for the day, but Elsa never had those experiences as a child. She never felt loved. According to Dr Mark Feldman many fd patients only experienced those comforts in a hospital setting. In fact, some people with FD may look for father or mother figures in their doctors, according to psychiatrists like Doctor Judith Crowell, the template for a good relationship traces back to early childhood parent relationships. No matter how old or mature someone gets, they're always looking to recreate the bond. They felt with their mother or father. They recreate these relationships with other people, siblings, friends, intimate partners or medical caregivers. This idea is known as attachment theory. It began to develop in the nineteen fifties by two psychologists John, Colby and Mary Ainsworth. Their research laid the groundwork for our understanding of why people like Elsa might engage in self destructive behavior. In else's case. She sought the attention of comforting authority figures when her parents failed to give her the unconditional love and support, she craved. The sympathy was like a drug. And also would do whatever she could to get more. In fact, she later wrote my goal and being sick was not a cause myself pain or create permanent injury. These outcomes were just the necessary inconveniences along the road to my real distant nation, receiving that little bit of caring from the hospital staff that would energize me and enable me to go on with my life. But when she was released from the Hospital Elsa became miserable, she battled shame and self loathing. She hated that she was using precious medical resources. That could otherwise go to patients in need. This is common for people with activities tissues disorder. Most are acutely aware of the pain. Their actions cause, but something inside just won't let them quit. In some cases, the guilt is powered by masochistic need for punishment. People with Munchausen or FD typically suffer from low self esteem. They might make themselves sick because they believed they deserved to suffer. Then after recovery. They regret their actions particularly because they may feel. They took hospital resources away from genuinely sick people. Their self esteem plummets. They seek to punish themselves, and the cycle continues in her book. Secrets unraveled overcoming Munchausen Syndrome Munchhausen's patient Andrea Abigail asked herself. What kind of person would act this way? Someone. Who deserves it? No one deserves the pain. Andrea endured like Elsa. She also had a horrendous childhood, and made similar associations between safety and sickness as a child. Andrea found that cutting herself, or getting sick could stop her father's sexual abuse. It also made her indifferent mother pay more attention to her. Thus the only time. She truly believed she was loved was when she was ill. Just as Elsa had Andrea spent several years making herself sick, but her behavior stopped when she married and had three children. But after one of her children tragically died of brain cancer, Andrea fell back to her old ways. Her actions eventually strained her marriage to the point of collapse. It? Also took a toll on her surviving children. Who couldn't count on her to be around? Andrea saw what was happening in hated the person she become, but she couldn't break the cycle of self, harm and hospitalization. Almost, as if it was a drug that she couldn't get enough of Andrea wrote I really do believe that factitious disorder is an addiction like any other. Like the addicts I worked with as a nurse I used. My substance to avoid emotions that tormented me. It was only when I hit rock bottom in intensive care. That I was able to admit I had a problem. Dr Mark Feldman wrote about the link between the disease of addiction and factitious disorder in his two thousand eighteen buck dying to be ill. He claimed many of his patients described their compulsion to lie or to hurt themselves with language similar to addicks. When someone takes a habit forming substances like? Or cocaine, it triggers a rush of a brain chemical called dopamine. Dopamine is known as the feel. Good neurotransmitter is released when we have sex, eat food or experienced feelings of pleasure or satisfaction. The user links the memory of taking drugs with that positive sensation. With each use that connection get stronger even as the narcotic becomes less effective. When someone takes a drug regularly, their body becomes used to it. Over time higher doses are required to achieve the same results. This is called tolerance, but someone can develop tolerance even if they're addiction isn't. A behavioral addiction like a gambling or a sex addiction generates hit of dopamine every time someone rolls the dice or has intercourse. Or in the case of Elsa and Andrea every time they injure themselves, but something else can happen when a person with an addiction engages in their vice. The feel like they're not in control of their body. It's like they're no longer in the driver's seat and someone else has taken the wheel. Both Elsa Andrea described that feeling. The sense of being separate from one's body is called disassociation. Like repression disassociation is a defense mechanism against painful or traumatic thoughts that the psyche cannot process in a healthy way it happens when the mind disconnects from bad feelings, memories, or even a person's identity. For example, some people in medical emergencies report out of body experiences in which they believe, they leave the physical world behind and sometimes forget who they are. Elsa and Andrea were both victims of childhood trauma that they couldn't escape so every time they injured themselves. They may have entered a dissociated state. The passenger was screaming to stop, but the driver would listen, and for someone on the outside looking in it might seem like getting caught is a chance to take back that wheel, but many fd patients react aggressively when their stories are challenged. That's the final piece of the puzzle the internal narrative. It's the stories that Elsa and Andrea told themselves about who they were. Dr Feldman discovered that most people with factitious disorder fall into one of two categories. The victim or the hero they seek sympathy for suffering disease or admiration for overcoming it, but in the end factitious disorder is probably one of the world's worst coping strategies. Biology childhood trauma and a lack of parental love all contribute to the condition. And was the right recipe. It only takes one trip to the emergency room to trigger factitious disorder. Much, like how else's compulsions began in earnest after a car accident when she was eighteen years old. Years later twenty four year old. Elsa didn't know if she could ever be cured, but one thing was clear. If she didn't get help for her disease, she might end up killing herself unintentionally worst of all. She had no one to help her treat herself. Her sessions with Dr Feldman were a good first step, but the moment she left his office. She was on her own. She didn't have any friends or family members to intervene if she felt the compulsion to self harm. The sad reality is many patients with Munchausen Syndrome. Hide their condition from their loved ones. Andrea Abigail 's husband had no idea that his wife secretly starved and poisoned herself for years. Best case scenario, an unwitting friend or family member might enable the person with F. D.. They offer love and support. During times of illness feeding the patient's emotional needs. Other Times bystanders are pulled into the cycle of self harm, because in some extreme and even more mysterious situations FD can be inflicted on. People. Thanks for listening to medical mysteries for more information on disease forgery amongst the many sources were used. We found Dr Mark Feldman's book. To be ill, true stories of medical deception to be extremely helpful to our research. Next week we'll turn our attention to a different factitious disorder Munchausen by proxy. We'll see how technology has caused Munchausen Syndrome to evolve and ask. Can it be cured? You can find all episodes of medical mysteries, and all other park cast originals for free on spotify, not only despite if I already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite park as originals like medical mysteries for free from your phone, desktop or smart speaker to stream, medical mysteries on spotify, just open the APP and type medical mysteries in the search bar will see an ex time. Medical mysteries was created by Max Cutler in his park studios original. It is executive produced by Max. 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Conversation Starters Volume 1

Correctly Mistaken

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Conversation Starters Volume 1

"I. Was going on people. West Cherry from the correct mistaken podcast. If you haven't heard about anchor, it is the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me count the ways, I and foremost is free. You know we say about life, right all good things in life are free. They got these dote don't creation tools allow you to record Eddie, your podcast right from your phone or your computer. Anchor will distribute. Let me say that one more time anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it could be heard on spotify apple podcasts in many many more platforms you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership think about it. No minimum. Come on record. Listen to make money. Crazy, as everything you need to make it podcast. Everything. You need to make a podcast in one place, donald a free anchor or go to anchor DOT FM to get started. Nevada shelf. was going on she boy west wonder from correctly mistaken podcast. Please remember to rate review and subscribe. It's very poor that you do. So if you like it if you don't look we WANNA know. Because like I said if we can give you what you WanNa hear in terms of content, the people that you want to hear from. That maybe just maybe you hate us a little less. 'cause very excited about this addition of correcting mistaken If you may because we're going to start something new. Start having reoccurring gas to come on every couple Much yourself to talk about the state of the state of the affairs going on anything new new things that we have to start conversations on Annual so We have these ladies on. They are the CO founders of conversation starters. Scour. Widow Elsa Demetrius. I. Believe I said their names right. I'm in the beginning of the episode you see that I am really bad at pronouncing names even though I tried before they came on I still butchered it. The ladies were so so nice and they made me feel good about being a total dope. But they were too great dynamic women who? Have a passion for what they're doing. A passion for people in be able to help people come to a better understanding in terms of starting the conversation I love what they say in the beginning of the website is that start with conversation dot com is we engage in dialogue because we don't know everything and what they are is there a cultural competency equity consultation firm that specializes in diversity and facilitation trainings corporate organizational guidance a community wide movements say really helps companies in they go in and they really. system in how to be better in your diversity in your workplace I'm how to the racial equity in really honing help people start conversations to really improve the culture of their workplace improve the culture of their of employee relations. They really do great great work and I was so excited about having them on like I said, they'll be on recurring as know stories calm in new situations like I said, it's always going to be the compensation. No matter what. We can't fix anything. We can't move forward with anything if we don't have the conversation I and these ladies are making sure that conversation starts. So I appreciate them coming on I appreciate your time. Talent treasure. So the next folks that you were here. Will be the voices of Miscarry Ribaut and Elsa Dimitrius? But he loved me anyway. Of next correctly. Mistaken. Conversation starters edition volume one let's go. Hello. What is going on? What is going on? Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to the correctly mistaken podcast. I'm your host West wonder. Please remember to rate review and subscribe. It's important that you do. So we WANNA make sure that you know we're giving the best content that we can possibly give if you love is if you hate us, you know maybe you might hate us a little less. If, you drop a review but in terms of the content. I've always said that we want to continue to have great conversations with even greater people and I am so excited about this particular session episode of the guests that I have on. Now ladies I'm going to be honest I've been trying to practice saying Easter you last names. For. Her A, little bit to hell. So. What I WANNA do could I couldn't get and I'm not the Kinda guy that's going to be like skyro-. Redo I. Don't WanNa do that. So when I WANNA do I wanNA entered in a introduce yourself but these powerful women here are the head of Nonprofit Associate nonprofit organization by the name of conversation starters and they're based out of Lafayette and their main job and what they like to do, what their mission as excuse me is. coverage conversation, Stars Cultural Competency, and Equity Consultation firm that specializes in diversity. Facilitation Trainings Corporate Organizational Guidance and community wide projects, I. Africa I never saw it a word competent before I looked at it and all of a sudden I got. My mind twisted so. Josh for that I do know how to say that word but the lady here are the founders of it l. let you got introduce yourself starting with Go Ahead Elsa introduce. Yourself. My Name Is Elsa, Dimitriadis I Am D. C. Native and I AM lucky to be. Skyros. Business Partner, and I am the CO founder and chief impact officer for conversation starters. Outstanding. In this. Only name is our reading. No I'm originally from CAIRNCROSS Louisiana, which is about ten minutes outside of life yet. So I'm a country girl you know no shoes wearing berry picking up the ditch. And I'm the CO founder and Chief Operations Officer for conversation started and we are for profit organization. Oh, I am so saw you afford. Polish. I always take people do on great stuff I. Always say those using wide people who are doing great things in community or nonprofits, but that doesn't have to be the case. So. So definitely so ladies. First and foremost I. Thank you for joining me. I appreciate your time so so much he are correctly mistaken Conversation started we WANNA. Do this because I believe correctly mistaken that we have to have the conversations in terms of social awareness society issues, things that I believe that. For lack of talking were not able to really understand. You don't even have progress because we're so still going back and forth with one another about things that if we took the time to just sit down and talk about it and start something. We can maybe understand. We. Maybe have some things in common or we can actually have the same thought process of moving things forward. So what is come from? Why did you guys start conversation starters to whoever wants to start like I said, this is the podcast were having conversation as you see, I screwed up in the beginning there. So this isn't something where we you know nobody's nobody's getting recorded on air in terms of video just Chitchat and having a conversation. So how did this come about whether they start? Okay. So L. and I met in two thousand, fifteen a through a program called Leadership Lafayette It's it's leadership institute of Acadia and really on a twelve month per ramic takes you behind the veil of a large community challenges and issues by like institution our topic. So. We went through this process together. It was an eye opening experience for me and part of the part of the process is there's a decoy foundation in talks about how all the different cultures and peoples founded our community in Lafayette and I. Recognize while they were talking about that that there was they never mentioned black people in particularly those who are enslaved. and therefore part of the process of founding community and so. I wanted to figure out how to get that story told how to get our storage, where people who look like me and through that process of figuring out how to do that Elsa nine another one of our friends actually. Created this grassroots organization at the time and we call it a conversation started recognize the need in our community to start having authentic authentic conversations around race in cross racial dialogue, racial reconciliation, and healing and so we just started hosting a series of public commerce presentations. Around race and health disparities in recent segregation in race in education just helping your community, develop the muscle of how do you have productive dialogue around things that are really uncomfortable. Right in this time right now, there's a lot of. Movement around racial and social justice. But this was back in twenty, fifteen, twenty sixteen, and if you know anything about Lafayette, Louisiana was recently named one of the most conservative city in America and so not even I know where? You. Down there at. All. Even believe that we have recently. Talented ain't nobody can beat my pony. Perfectly fine. You know that was a time when we started hosting public dialogue and and it has evolved into creating this for profit of company that really focuses on not only providing the services to corporations and organizations. But we have a firm commitment to reimbursing a portion of proceeds right back into black in communities of color in our community because we wanna make sure that we are part of building the the community and the world that we want even more so. I don't know how many. No I think that you know. It was important to us as we As we continue to develop to make sure that we were reinvesting and and we look forward to every opportunity that we're able to do that. So even you know as we're doing our work with corporations and and and larger larger companies and organizations I think our hearts and and our focus is often back in the in the community where we met one another. Wow. Now, people don't know where recording this is on zoom, but you can't see them. So you can't you know you can't see what they look like I have the privilege of doing so cool. You know they got look at my big head for about forty five minutes or so. But the dynamic because also is. Not Black she is a she's now blackened scoured is and I'm not GonNa, say I'm not GonNa, say somebody's just flat out white. You know because I'm not. You know your last name seems of not somebody of just White you know what I'm saying. So what is your national? What is your back running a nationality or your ethnicity, ELSA A first. Generation. American. My Dad is a Greek immigrant. Is a Panamanian immigrant out and so But I am white presenting and with that comes all of the privilege and without somebody knowing my last name or even if they do know, my last name doesn't exempt me from all of the baggage that I bring into the room as a white presenting person and I'll see when she says the reason why I was. Getting to is because the dynamic usually? A black woman and a white presenter to come together and make organization like this That's very cool interesting in itself because usually don't see. Somebody starting something for the whole point especially white for social justice or racial injustice whatever the case may be and that being a passionate of yours. So how did this dynamic happen? How did how did you to ask to come together to make this? What did you guys get from back in the day? How did you? You know what? What how did this happen because this is phenomenal. You don't see these type of partnerships, a lot of places. So how did this occur? So. You know obviously, it's Skyros so incredible and I. Really the first time I ever met her but I think what really solidified it? skyro- after the the. Shooting that involved out in sterling in that rouge. She had posted on on social media that she really wanted an opportunity to bring people together and for just to unpack feelings around it and maybe some healing to to begin and at the time I ran a theatre and and so I reached out to her because we knew each other through leadership and I said. Hey, you know I have space you have a need. How can we do this work? And so that was kind of the very, very Pri pre-pretty conversation starters. But I you know I do need to say that on both of my parents have always been very involved. In Social Justice and so that that muscle was pretty well honed for me. From the time I I grew up. So see that's the thing about this racial injustice is not something that only people color are fighting. You know this is not something where we're in this thing alone really not we have a vital white allies people who are out there I think just now one of these things where I think it's Kinda swelling up even more, but it's very important that even from like you some your parents being so aware at that young age to you know at your young age for you to understand. The importance of this and having space you had to get her so like you had a place where she can go and start conversation starters that our occurred. Blackbox theatre out fifty that was perfect for for that sort of event and then you know as we grew I think both of us the first event that we had we thought Oh my gosh like is anybody GonNa come to this and we had several different acidy for the better. So obviously what we were trying to do was something that there was a real hunger for in our community and I think that one of the things that. Works and makes our relationship be able to work. Is that I think that we both understand that an and particularly for me you know that we've all been conditioned from birth to see and judge each other right but but so not only are we working to move the communities need all but you know needles, our own personal needles can always continue to move. S, we're not finished brought up, you know none of us are we're always involving China. Get to that next level is just trying to figure out what it takes to get them next level. But a lot of to takes a lot of collective all together for all of us to get the next level and I. think that's why we need to have conversations. I think conversations can be a start to helping everybody. To get to the next level. Focusing on that in terms of your out your thoughts about the dynamic in how you guys. Can't get. I don't know that I clearly remember the fairy first time I ever met also I don't know you know very clear on that, but you know The. Evolution of our relationship has been one of the most transformative parts of my life. Just because of who we are and what we bring our relationship in the fact that we are doing like were. In a space of Racial Justice and Reconciliation I knew I keep saying racial I mean a lot of focus on multiple difference whether you know gender sexual. CROSSED ON I. Like. A lot of it is centered around are race in the different lived experiences that we've had because of that in I mean just doing this work with her in. Like living like she's like my life partner living this life with her has been one of one of the most transformative relationships in my life in I can appreciate even through like the hard parts of our relationships like we don't agree on everything. We don't agree on how to move forward on everything, but we continue to choose to come back to the core of the relationship with which is rooted in like love and understanding in respect. So I think because of the ten tonight of that that our work together so much more powerful because of the relationship that we're building in the process and how we're moving at also along our own journey because it's a life. Is a lifelong. If, x work we were not gonNA thaw racial injustice in our lifetime and I know you say that you will feel overwhelmed they may feel intimidated by it but. The reality of it, but we have a responsibility in obligation at the commitment to starting it, and it starts with conversation, which is like our tagline had never ends there and we like to tell people that like dialogue is powerful. It's transformational. It can change. The course of someone is alive because it's so familial in relational in nature like the powerful nature of having a conversation with someone and learning their life. Through, that and how it can transform you in how you move through the world and how you do your other relationships in how you move through your work life and how you handle your family life and how you handle your community lights. So we knew a lot of people like stuck on like, okay. All of his talking like, when are we going to do something in there there is action in the dialogue. You are being transformed internally through the process of the dial. So I mean I know kind of went over of answer you. Know this is perfect. This is what we're talking about here. We're having a conversation and in terms of. You know on the ratio injustice as part because you're right it's always going to constantly be conversation because you really can't have any solutions. You can't get to a game if people are costly talking and having dialogue it all star for people to keep talking to me you stop talking almost like marriage I've been married for fourteen. Going off fourteen years now November I knew that I knew that. And you know if you're married me also were talking earlier because she's married as well. That's if you stop talking that data that's not good. You know what I'm saying that you really you can't move forward. You can't go anywhere because now the dialogue has stop. So it always starts with the dialogue in terms of relationships in terms of moving society forward, you have to have the dialogue in place in order to even start the process of moving forward so. People always get overwhelmed when they say we won't solve it in our lifetimes, but we won't, but we have to keep working in having the conversation. To saw because we keep doing even if it's fifty years. So now at least we're still working on it and we're still aware and we're still moving forward can immediately anywhere not then you know there were all. We're planting the seeds were tree who shade we will never enjoy. And that's the beauty of. I liked. that. I did not originate this quoque. That out. Planting the seeds or tree who shaved the we may never we will never enjoy, and that is the beauty of life right? Really in a lot of areas. That's. Got Kids. That's really. On this joint all the shade but let's keep plant. Let's keep planting the trees. So we can have something different. We say we made our mark. That's right Yup. We like to. I. wrote that down I'm you know what it was going to happen much to repeat that to somebody and I'm GonNa say like we gotta have not enough. For everybody. I? Know I gotta call what she said. Can you know you get smart that you're GonNa be talking to somebody you can say the same thing and they comes out completely different you like aw. I know what she said, but you know what I mean. We also million. So what does a? Session, look like when you have a conversation starter session or you have a with the word, I'm looking for a seminar or whatever the case may be. How does that look when you you're having one? How's that go about? So if you know it kind of depends on what the group is, what they're looking for. But typically you know we start with we we always start with a land acknowledgement and make sure that we acknowledged that the land that we're on right now either virtually or in person is not land that any of us. came to originally that we have indigenous people that we we owe so much too much too. Yeah, and the struggle continues to this day reservations. Yup. And Then go ahead I'm sorry. So we start that way and people at that point pretty much. You're like, okay, this is going today. And then we do some some exercises just let people know you know oftentimes your body. Let's you know when you're under stress long before your brain knows. And so we really want people the whole time to really in tune with whether they've been triggered whether or not. They're reacting from their gut rather than from their head. You know. So we kind start with what we call somatic centering and that's That's work. You kind of you. Know you go. Okay. Do I have any stress in my body right now? How am I feeling like acknowledging that and then we have guided. Questions that we ask people in. We call people in. We call people out as necessary most often we try to call people in and and we go through a series of questions and you know the the last question is is what do you want to see moving forward we've? Whatever the topic is, we've talked about this. What do you want to see either in your in your community moving forward or what can you do moving forward to move to make change what small it can be big or small you know and what commitment can you make, and so we really want to reinforce with people that it starts with conversation. And then we give them a number of ways that they can continue to plug into this work. Because again, it's it's we're just starting with conversation, and then you know whoever is asked us to come. And and host. One of these conversations we give them over port back based on what people said they wanted to see moving forward because if you don't have the investment of the community you're trying to serve there's no point in doing the work you know first of all is arrogant it's arrogant to think you know what what the community needs. So you need to listen to your community. And and move accordingly, but also You know you might get wrong and so it's an opportunity for the community to speak about what they WANNA see moving forward Tedeschi issue to in terms of. Within, going on in terms of politics and you know. We gotta get back to me that we gotta get back till. I Danny ways of doing things. I. Think we've always said you know identity politics but I, think in terms of conversations what we're doing going forward, we have to have the identity part because we're such a diverse. country. You know where we're courtesy of immigrants. Of immigrants for the most part was such diverse country we have to have those opportunities I'm saying we gotta do that. You know we have to. It's so important. You gotTA. Let difference make a difference. Yes. You know we gotta have identity people because we can't say that's the issue. Now you know we people we have who representatives don't look like the people who they represent communities. And that's an issue as it is right there. How can you say you know anything about me if you're not familiar with me, you don't look like me or you'd have even taken the time to come see what's going on in the community answering that need to see the watts and see what's going on. So then you can go back home in the bait and the way you do your policies. The way you go about running governing is based on the people were they live and I think especially easy concept, but you know. I guess it is. To understand it, and I think also to what one of the things that we are very adamant about doing the part of our processes I is agreements courageous conversation writes a we set h for like this is what you can expect from us. Myspace is what we expect from you in this space as we're doing this but the really important piece that we're really like to hit home is will be called Sheridan language in some of the things that you were talking about we're talking about scared language is really understanding what the words meet if we don't invest understanding of what words mean. Then we're having a conversation where we're GONNA continue to talk past each other because. Difference like systemic racism racism same thing to me that it does to you equi equality. Do we have the same understanding of that? One of these? You're just talking about identity like privilege. So when you're talking about privileged identities, do we understand what our identities are those identities, what they are they privileged are they marginalized? Can you have to at the same time I? Mean what does that mean? So we really like to start with the shared language piece because when you are having a conversation, if everyone is not at the same level understanding of what you're talking about, then the conversation becomes. Popular goes aware can't it can't even be productive from the genesis because we don't all not coming from the same place. So I really want to iterating the fact that like that shared language piece is so important because I think. People don't understand why important are don't understand racism and racial justice work is because they have this idea of however the system is white supremacist system has them to believe about what racism is what it looks like right? That feels like a personal attack when people are talking about it and it's only because they don't understand the systems in the institutional on the structural and cultural racism and what does that mean and how does it manifest and so Beshir language pieces so so important. Like you said, they'd never been familiar with it. So it sometime when I I've always wondered that would you talk about somebody you talk with somebody who's white? You know whatever about that? They tended like you said, they get they feel like they're getting attacked and a lot of times just because they don't get probably not aware stem racism you know they're probably not aware of. We have to think about that too even as blind people sometimes some people they're not they just don't know you know know like I think what drew brees said what he said about the you know the flag and the anthem might member his one of his players were just saying. made no-no better. You know he he just don't know he didn't mean anything by it because you know they know how he who he is as a person, but he just didn't know any better because sometimes people just don't know they don't know. Are you coming at me wrong? No, I'm not I'm just telling explain you. Gets been situations where maybe that you haven't been aware of that's been going off for so many years that if you become aware of it and we can have the conversation start talking about it maybe we get some solutions to it. Learning us this work to Wesley both like there are a lot of people who don't know and don't understand. Those people this and their education awareness just needs to be lifted up. There are also people who operate from a place of fear and fear is your of loss, right? So they understand what institutionalizes immigrations of. But to them in one of the most we like to use them I didn't originate this either slavelike. When When you are used the privilege equity can feel like oppression. And or people who have been in power for so long you know who? who had this unearned privilege inefficient in their life to then have to look at that from a different Lind I have benefited because other people have been. There is a phoenix they are going to lose the power that they feel like they've worked so hard to gain. Okay. So you have to address that in this work as well. So there are those people they know they understand, but they will not into a system that benefits them. That is not in their best interest and leaflets their thought process, right? Because we know that once you dismantle white supremacy everyone benefits. But. If you have been the benefactor of the system, it is hard for you to see and understand dismantling a system that has benefited you and your family for so long be beneficial to you and your family in the long run. So. Yeah. We also we also work to. To create a shared understanding of what the word privilege means. Right it doesn't mean you didn't work hard. It doesn't mean that you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth. What it means is that you have the privilege of yes. So you had to work hard but but the color of your skin didn't make it harder. You know and so we often say asserting your brain if if privileges the that triggers you the word privilege just like ticks you off, then replace it with a word advantage. Yes And like what Skyro- was saying you know and it allows us then to open up that conversation to talk about abundance and to talk about You know the idea that a arising time does lift all ships you know. Dismantle it, and then you're not going to lose anything all we'RE GONNA do is see this great abundance that's that's available to us. From the earth and from each other they keep saying we can get equality. Everybody comes up. Every. He's not a thing where and I think that's the case is to remember I saw something on facebook. You guys probably saw this. Well, it was the honorable Louis Farrakhan now obviously you know. He has some thirty something he says whatever. But in terms of this situation, he was had the video he was talking about in terms of Maybe, white guilt. He says a lot of times he believes. Some people believe like you said, scoured Takata on your point if we. If we have equality and we face it. Is. It's the same thing that we did the demo those years are they going to try to to us? You know and I thought Why maybe some people do that way either at a and I guess people have to understand where at the end of the day I remember sister sane on one of these video she said without looking for revenge is looking for equality because he a qualities what we need, we want everybody to grow so we're not looking for. For White, people to bow down. So we can come up we twenty everybody be equal playing field. So we can all get to that port. Why won't we not do it but like you said, if the system has been made for me to benefit like you said, l. says well, because I'm white or the advantages because I'm white I have the advantage then I'm really not. I returned to change much. In House saying. But what was interesting too because of the fact you said that Elsa. And on top of my head with. Your saying so much back and forth in which you had just said here now out of remember scoured. Talk about what you were talking about him. Sorry I. Don't remember why close say the question to you. Elsa. scowled about south which you said in terms of. People understanding and thinking if the privilege comes back or they can hey, I have privileged or thinking. Oh, there you go. Thank you. Lord the privilege replacing privilege with vantage. So stop saying all the time privileged privileged Why If you have worked hard as a white person. If you have you know what is cool. You call you digit digit you grind it out and people tell you Oh, you've been privileged. That's why you got everything that you got. I. Can see why people will be Kinda turned off by that but I can see the difference in saying, no, you had an advantage just because of what you look like you worked hard but the cars were still in your favor. So even if you had a time when you did falter, you did kind of squander something you usually at a second or third or fourth chance compared to somebody of. Color If they do the same thing, maybe the same chances will come around your way again. That's trying to get to you and it took a while. Thank. You ladies for being with me and my craziness could I had a lot. I had a lot of them. You know you have a lot in your head. You're charlie that's writing stuff down as well but I have a lot in my head. So. Get. Scrambled up sometimes. But yes, that's what I was trying to say so in terms of. If we want to talk about. Forbes enough for fortune five hundred. You guys doing some work with some fortune five hundred hundred companies to as well. Right. Is that some stuff that heard is, well, you know what? What companies were you guys working with in term now I don't know if you can say on the NBA on loud thing works but if you can say it comfortable company setting you kind of do the same things in a company setting Do you do you help them in terms of diversity and to you find? A lot of places where you go that they really is it like people who know or they really just don't know even in a company setting in terms of the proper ways of going about diversity or facilitating or whatever the case may be. Do case companies like land like this is totally twenty y'all got people. That's like that things like this. He knows like this is crazy. With that. I don't know that we can make. No Sense. Yes. Worked with. Industry the tech companies, a tech industry healthier in a couple of non profit organizations that are Fabien government are museums and those those that's kind of where Arleen is right now. Do you find a lot of struggles in la how's that you? Get. Good. How is it is terrible. Reckoning right now, Wesley just largely around race. Everyone right now trying to figure out What is the best way to handle it within their own specific organization and? We noticed is that a lot of the organizations say this they all they all their intentions are there they want to do. They WANNA to figure out best thing not only for their at their company but for their employees what what we're finding I guess is a lot of those. Conversations that we're having. Or not within employees the color. So we're talking to wide away presenting people about their company that are impacting people of Color Black, people, Brown people, Indigenous People sometimes, it won't. No it doesn't really come to anything other than race right now. So I mean those conversations on very when the person you're having the initial dialogue with is not a person of color because a lot of times people who haven't. Been Intentional as plan I have about building a relationship with someone who doesn't look like them. I'm have a hard time understanding different lived experiences in how to move forward in really being equitable doing the work within their organization. What it really looks like when we talk about transformational justice, right? Like what does that really mean that's a big word that can mean so many different things. Again, you talked about shared language means different things to different people and so what would that look like in your Organization for equity to occur or transformational justice have An immune different things that were color into people were not of color. And so that kind of I don't know if I'd necessarily say it's a struggle but it's something that we have humber stations with organizations that we work with on a regular basis, and then the other of your question was about like is a different. How do we work differently with nations So we have a number of different things that we offer but to of the Nobili three three in the main thing that we that we talked about one of curriculum who's around this learning on learning concept's. Oh. The things that we talked about earlier is like, what have we all been conditioned to believe because of the white supremacism that we are all born into right? We've heard about unconscious bias in implicit bias. We talk a lot about confirmation by. like what have we all been conditioned to believe in? How do we start to unlearn all of the negative toxic things that we have been conditioned to believe because of this white supremacist system that we've grown up in and not only the learning part because you can't just unlearn but how do you really learn things replaced what you're learning with different ideas in Austin expensive thoughts around what this world look like if we all had a focus of racial equity within within any work that we're doing, it doesn't matter. It's got a company or you're in healthcare and education or your government. Are you Atta Museum right at the end of the day equity is equity and? So what does it look like for to be expensive and transformative? Can you imagine a world in which we don't have this issue and if you can, what does that look like and then how we get there so like those that the learning learning earning pieces, really important One of the things that we also do is a facilitation training where we teach in train people on how to manage conversations that are uncomfortable whether those are conversations around race whether those are conversations around sexual orientation or gender our ability whatever it is that an issue in your organization or your company or your community we come in and we help you learn how to facilitate the dialogue. And not make yourself the center but to allow voice in the room where you're facilitating conversation to really rise up in an you know in an have their place within whatever's happening, and then our our main program is our catalyst dinners on project, which is something we piloted in Lafayette back in twenty eighteen or nineteen I, can't remember. But basically what it does is a little bit of both it's of the learning learning and the facilitation but we really do is we focus on people facilitating conversations with those who are already in some sort of right relationship with whether that's people at our church, our people in their workplace or people in their community are people with our job but teaching them how to have our stations around food because lose like a commonplace it's a familiar place. has its own nurturing peace that it brings to Congress. and lends itself to to the beauty of those things. Into those like the main three things that we bring into a an organization that we can offer, and we really telling him on a front like we're. We're here to help you do the real in the authentic and the long term We're not. We're not here to help you do like one intervention, and then we go away are stopped doing the work like if you are invested in doing alone hard work then we are not the right organization for you to work. A lot now you good. That's perfect. Because he is all about investment. If you're not gonNA invest in it, you know there's no need for us to continue work for because this is a this is something like we said it's not gonna be overnight even whatever you're facilitating in terms of subject it doesn't happen overnight Elsa. Question for you in terms of. The conversation we're talking about even with the raise compensation. Internal do you think really in order to have the conversation to even start? In a terrorist of the road of journey to racial equality that we're looking for off trying to work together to get. Do you feel as if in order for even start the process. The ones that have been in the India advantage. for so many years have to say hey. I had advantage. Sorry about that. So you didn't. I had one. We gotta change it. Let's do it. Doesn't have to be they have to admit to that I to know what's going on to understand it. Okay. I haven't white privilege or have been. We have been a of oppression to people of color. Volcano, what do we do about it? Does. Take that admittance I in order or that mission first before we even get to the process of having a conversation. I think an admission or any knowledge that you from the outset had have been privileged by your whiteness is important. I think that my concern about apologizing is a I think that in a relationship. With Someone of color. A black person said, it is for them to ask what to dictate what they need. And I think what ends up happening is you end up with white people who are falling all over themselves in their own feelings killed apologizing and now it's up to the black person to say Oh, it's Ok now the whole the whole purpose of that is done Turned her. And you know something that we talk about in in racial reconciliation work is that it's not four white people to determine what that should look like it's it's four the black people in the community or the or the indigenous people in the community to say look this is how you harmed us. We need you to a apologize be. This is what we'd like to see moving forward white people to learn not to center themselves yet again in this process and so yes, I think it's important even know that necessarily needs to be a verbal admission tickets. Are you move through the space? I think that when you? I. Hope that I show up. where? The people in my space understand that I know that I operate from a place of privilege whether I say that or not. But I but I think as far as when we get to apologizing and we're getting to feelings, we get into that space of like. White. Fragility? And and the ability for white people to really make it about them and sometimes. You know it's a habit that has been built in for so many generations that that it takes a high level of commitment and consciousness to break that cycle. So you can't say, well, I'm sorry to almost saying I'm sorry we say, Hey, in feel sorry for me because of what we did that's kind of what you're talking about in terms of because I've heard of that same and that's where I never broke down the details of what that means in terms of the to death the definition of that. So that's kind of how White fouts can lord white fragility works that how it works I can't I'm bad as saying stuff y'all I know that I am I am not a broadcaster I'm a podcast is a difference so. I'm not I'm not going to be on the what is going to be your MC as. The Oscars hosting the any means Oh. Maybe one day who knows they may take a non talking guy but. I never knew exactly what that meant until. You told me to that SOI appreciate. The did not know that I didn't know that that's a that's an issue to that. White people do. I have the reason I keep looking to my right as I have this poem and it was you know don't go back to sleep roomy poem. So like once been awakened and you realize that you have been presented with the given privilege and you're aware of what's happened and and because we've seen this happen, you know we give presentations and honestly like the white people in the room like why was never taught that I had no idea I mean 'cause we were all born into the system of brainwashing. Gray. Okay. So you you now know now what are you GonNa do? But that's not the end game. I understand what are you gonNA do moving forward don't go back to sleep like Rumi sets. Not Go back to sleep. Do not go back to sleep in a minute we sleep we miss everything or question I'm GonNa. Let you guys go on this. What are you guys and you can live wanted to go first so far this work that you guys have been doing the work that you guys are. Actively involved in would have been the most proud of so far. Is that a good thing joe yesterday. Questions. While every once in a while we dog has his day the right now I'm having mine. Is that a good thing is at good thing that y'all can't they were. We still working west we still working I. Don't reflect enough and celebrate Skyro- mill. Thing either go because. Your grinding man I'm young y'all got a mission and sometimes the best missions are the ones you don't look old. We s again stuff done. You just work in the next thing. One. One thing that I'm proud of. Is Our relationship because I I think that without it the work. We would be hypocritical to to to spend time with people and talk to them about ways that they can They can move transformative justice forward if we weren't actively working internally on our own relationship, and so I'm proud of the fact that we've been through a lot and. And we are were good and and. I know that we'll be through more and unprepared on centered and prepared to handle that you ready to rock and roll, and they'll ask. That's right Elsa. COMES WITH A lot. Of this is This is gonNA, sound like when it comes out. I. I am most proud of. My journey to today. Here's my head. I think for a very long time in my life because of what the system has taught me to believe about myself with what white supremacy has taught me to believe about being a dark skinned black woman with natural hair that it's an ugly at it's beautiful that no one will love me because of that. I, am less than that I am inferior. Going on this my own journey of discovering the beauty in lamb and how I present to the world in my black is beautiful. Pretty Brown you know like all those like that whole journey in in in getting to a place where I am doing this work not just because of the financial economic benefit of it but because it reaches a place in my soul. That brings me so much joy in her film. It's to bring that same. That same level of awakening to other. Black, women. And Black people that I come across in indigenous like. The the journey getting to this place in my life or a wakeup every single day in even though it's hard in, it's messy in it's emotionally draining. I have so much joy knowing. I am doing the good and the right work or the right reasons with the people who are going to go out and create a ripple in some other pond that I'm not even a part of and I may never ever know the the. You know the the whatever comes after that like whatever those ripples create I mean never even know that but like because I came to a place of self love, I am able to pour that into other people and they're able to put that into the people in their able to pour that into other people and that is that is for me the biggest accomplishment that I can say, I'm most proud of in the work that I get to do in and I would be remiss if I did not say that it is a result, it is a direct result of my relationship with Elsa. The transformation of my life is a direct result of relationship. This wonderful beautiful woman that I get to life with in the business with in the community with. So like that to me, there's no greater thing that I could get out of this than that. That's outstanding. Outstanding. I'm just is so mighty happy either my mom or my grandma just say so mine. So. Mad. Happy. They'll be got people like yourselves and like you guys are together you're locked in you guys already to face the world or whatever comes with it and you guys are doing it together and I'm proud of the fact and thankful to be able to talk to you too dynamic women. Tonight. And you guys you know carrying me. Like you like you guys doing this episode and like I. Said I always WanNa to learn when have people on and have conversations in this is something where. I would love down the road here. We continue to go forward to love to have you guys back. The always team to talk contained the conversation because and I will get better. Am I initiated of words as we get here I promise you that but I want you guys to come back on because I think. This relationship in this dynamic with you guys are doing the work that you looking to do. Or you do are doing not looking you are doing actively. Is something that is so powerful, and so it is so needed in order for us to move forward. So the company. Then pro for profit company. Is called conversation starters, a cultural competence competency and equity consultation firm that specializes in diversity and facilitation trainings corporate organizational guidance, community-wide projects, scarring. Elsa. From the bottom heart. Thank you so much for coming on starting the conversation with me and as we continue forward here, we're going to really Work altogether anything I can do you know I you know in my standpoint I would love to be able to be assisted if you guys have. You know need have you guys work about it. I would love to be assistance as well. So thank you guys so much scoured out for your time. You're correctly mistaken and we are so looking forward to talking to you guys again down the road. Right guys talk to you guys. See. You later. bye-bye and that is it. That is the gray scouring. Elsa. Like I said earlier, I will not going to say their last names because they will be mad at me and I won't do them justice. But thank you guys so much for your time and listening. So thank for their time their talent in definitely treasures because they are two ladies were on a mission to get stuff done and they are going to do it. I believe that a Mahar they are going to do so until next time. Love everybody. Hates. No one. This is the correctly mistaken podcast and I'm your host you boy west one to be blessed. Thanks for listening to the apocalypse podcast for more great podcasts. Go to apocalypse podcast network DOT. Com and remember every time you support one of our sponsors you're supporting the podcast you just heard.

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How to Be Consistent When Building Your Brand with Elsa Majimbo

Girlboss Radio with Sophia Amoruso

42:41 min | Last week

How to Be Consistent When Building Your Brand with Elsa Majimbo

"Hello this puno founder of i love creatives and this is girl boss. Radio elsa majimbo if you were on instagram twenty. Twenty united come across one of her videos looked down. We are going to go out after lockdown new. You're gonna have so much with this. One talking about elsa blew up during the pandemic she says all the things that you're thinking in your head which never gonna say it and then she says it among the corner five minutes. I'm on my way is oh you know. That's why i think everybody loves her. Who was also before the pandemic so before she was posting photos they were cute. And then there's this one point where she just started doing these raw off the cuff short videos of her riffing and getting in flood. All my goodness diet love like i do knocks ca. I am funny. I find myself funny so this is what i'm gonna do right before. The pandemic had like seven thousand followers then the pandemic hit and she took off today. Elsa has two point three million followers and she's nineteen. Ooh ooh that is a lot of growth. Timing is everything in comedy timing. Is everything in reality and right. Before the pandemic she was turning out new videos daily sometimes to videos a day but if she didn't consistently start experimenting before the pandemic who knows consistency was really big theme in this episode. Because also knew that's exactly what she had to do. Nobody likes consistently posting but every post allowed her to really lean into her. I don't give a fuck anymore. i'm just gonna be me. And i'm gonna be me twice a day and these videos boo boo postpone in life. Not just instagram. We're all trying to figure out. How much more can you be yourself at the same time of figuring out who you are but how much further can you push it. There's always more. There's always more of yourself that you're not letting other people see and then when you do it when you're like elsa and you really just let it go it hits because look the people we love to love are the people who surprise and delight us with their personality. Putting yourself out there being more confident that can help you meet new people and elsa also knows how to network on instagram how to talk to strangers and first of all. This is just not something. A lot of people are naturally comfortable with. I teach an instagram course. And i'm always talking about how to talk to strangers. Because i remember in the beginning i had a ton of hesitations and all these rules about what i can and cannot do for example. Oh if i look at their post too much then. I'm considered a stalker. But they posted it. And they're putting it out there. It's those kinds of things that just make networking and talking to strangers a little harder than it needs to be. And in this episode elsa candidly lays it out. Those conversations with strangers helped elsa get interviewed by naomi campbell anderson cooper. She became an ambassador for fendi fendi. Yes that's right re honest. Not you know. It's not just else's consistency and her networking that got her to where she is though. That is definitely a humongous part of it. But it's also her overall mindset. She's just confident. She knows what she wants and she's not shy about it. This season our goal was to redefine success. We're not here to prescribe what the definition of successes and in previous episodes we've talked about. How your definition of success changes at different phases of your life when you're younger when you get kids when you get burnt out when you're starting a new business or you get hired at a new company and you were pumped. The point is that we want to show you all the variations of success. So that no matter who you are no matter what. Your ambitions are whether it's four financial stability financial growth. No finances minimalism. That's your decision. You're not in my shoes. I've in my shoes anyways. I think he gets. That's enough on my end. Let's get into this this episode. Thank you so much for doing this. What a year. How is your twenty twenty one going. Oh my goodness guarantee was blowing. Chanson t one. I am now getting the fruits of blowing up from getting on on getting ads. I'm now getting into its own. Amazing i scrolled back hard on your instagram. Actually you know you don't have to scroll back because it just recently happened. But you've been prolific with your posts. But i went back to like february. Twenty twenty and i was like who is twenty. Nineteen elsa like who is. How would you describe. Twenty nine hundred. Elsa broke so that's definitely changed. I feel like i was neef looking for more things. I was looking for to change at dinner. How changed because as they need. Advisedly end though. It's my life. So i will just mind my own business. Meet my videos than that's it. Well i feel like you were a little bit of a fashion like your post back. Then we're more about fashion and they weren't your personality. You didn't do as many videos back then now. I didn't us. Not as many. I would just take photos of those thousands ray and you used to do videos. That were justin. So healy to the also very much anxiety. So what was that change. Because i mean you can't just turn funny like you. Obviously were always funny but at what point were you like. Yeah i need to turn this. I hilarious. So finally and you know that they is. When i started doing the videos was awesome eligible. Cement people would love the. They're not wait some time. Listen of el like you know what i'm tired of. Just waging thinking after once-elite More those too often. Nineteen so i would pose a like every single day onto videos in a day and post so much and getting followed. We were like oh my goodness retired wealth like do not. I am funny. I find myself on. So this is what i'm going to do and i just kept getting more and more and more and then enter into janati. Boom blew up six months later after deciding. I just wanted to videos clean. Bill damn what was the wine video. It was just the beginning of lockdown and house literally like ever since kerr nested. we've all been in isolation and like mrs noah is. Why am i missing you. There is no reason for me. Miss you how people telling me was so funny because nothing this begun nuts north acts funny. 'cause already stage. But at the time casino huma progresses and that's was so so so funny because we have just started loved on and everyone was dying for. Oh my goodness everyone loved it and it was just like this opportunity. Did you just straight up. Change your entire vision for your life at that point. Were you like okay. I'm gonna sit down. Scratch this vision board a making a new vision board. I never had a vision. I never had a vision in nevada. Dreams jeans seemed jerry sick. The tire seemed so bogus to me. And i was like no way. I'm gonna make this migraines hell. No so i never had the dreams because it was just like we walks. I was limited to it. Seems so little analysis also timing out so i didn't have any dreams so i made the fast vision. Whatever may dr martin. And i knew this wanted to go. This is the money on to make. This is what i wanna do here. And surprisingly i on i didn't think i was achieving. Just wrote them down for the sake of the night shift all of and now everything this coming. wow we. Can you list all of the things that you wanted. I want a million by the end of the end of their one print. Six again for us. And then i said. I wanted to move to south africa. Those my flash dot and then now. I'm going to hollywood. Because i have to go walk that it's an hoping to hollywood which is bigger than how and i wanted to make like a lot of money and now i'm doing that and just all things. Everything seems so unrealistic is happening. Even mommy miami was my number one and top makes me. So how okay. I'm in los angeles so if you ever want to like go eat korean barbecue holler girl i. It's so good it's so good here like l. a. is basically the second soul of the world. So i think what's interesting is it. Seems like you already knew how to say no and you already had very specific big dreams. I think one thing that a lot of people don't think about the business of a content creator of someone who has to sometimes work with brands. Was any of that really confusing for you. Oh dude i need them to get go. That's only have one of this. So i did it. Well so the first thing i would do when i consciousness blowing up i would go through my comments in mice laws so i would go to the verified account and i do my research on them and see all the walked into behind a tech. I'm like oh my goodness. I'm such a big phone. Do we'd so many people even people. I didn't know i would do that every single day. Because i knew i was going and i knew the wages of my process is to tell people what they want to. Yeah so what i did is i told people as onto yet. I did interviews with everything. I don't want to yet and i would see so and so loss football for example. Did you watch the game last week. It was so easy. Like i was really mind. And that's the way. I was able to move civil because i knew i was going so for me. It was like a game blank. the monitors who came up to me. I was like no. It wasn't because they were one. Managers just goes. What was going to quit entangled. That so i waited until i got a manager who could handle hours. Liu so i want from the gets goes and then you run johnson. There was no in housing. Yeah we so. Let me get this straight you ended up sliding into the dm's of very specific people that you wanted to get aligned with by doing your research and seeing how you guys can have something in common and you're like hey wiza- yeah and so that helped you kind of figure out like what brand partnerships you wanted to do. Let's say for example. I knew kim jones and he's one of the people rushed on. I spoke to you manage. Oh my goodness i now. If you walk in everything about you ngos forming. Let's connection people can take you father. And now i haven't relationship with this great to mining fast. Sean and i can move in fashion. Because i know if i want to do something. I have kim. If i want to do something how joe so i formed friendships really loving just relationships of people. I knew that could take me somewhere. And i'm not playing them but it's of are playing the game because even they wouldn't talk to me was also jimbo. Yes i know as much as i'm benefiting from them for me so it's the two sided relationship so i know even though i will play the game i not also playing the game. It's both ways to anything. I one hundred percent agree with you. I think that for me. I mean like a couple of years ago i quit my job and i was here in los angeles and it had no friends and i just had to make friends and i went onto instagram. Same thing and i would just. Dm people strangers. And i was like no. I don't wanna just come off as like. Hey and then. It's crickets even something to talk about. So of course. I'm going to look into what you do it's public. You're on instagram. Be call it stalking but like it's good stocking productive stocking so you're manager. You're talking about having a manager. How did you find the right manager. Needed someone who is weak pre too so if i thought of something i didn't need someone who tell me and some of them sell me thinking about you need mall so i finally got that and for me. It wasn't about texas Hey i'd like to be managed. That's not how. I found my manage at high phoned. Him was blessings on heels like dundee. You'll way about rot and you tell me do this do that do that. And it was a friendship and then and then he became my momma joe. So how did you guys. I mean oh on the actually he texted me is like hey i think you so funny as cocaine then i lied to him and our relationship just of demo. And that's how it happens. Yeah do you have a team now or take a while for you to get i to lack my team. It's bills and stadiums. Because i got a job when i got my lawyers and i got my attitude. It took some time to build. But now i'm very happy with a my my so chosen team and very glad that i took it very slowly in trashy tonight in think oh. I need avid quick. I'm very glad. I took it snowy and know the posting. I still do microstate. I still do everything online. replied to my That keeps me very happy in iraq during to device. That's what i love doing. The hospice and i wound stopped by. And is that because you know that is key to you. Getting to where you are right now. 'cause i know just even interacting. The comments is my funds and speaking to them. That's what got me to iron right. Not it's not something. I wanted to stop just because you know maybe of gone a few steps is it something. I wanted something that made me very very happy. I like to let go of that just because of moved into a new space. Something that i always onto. Keep with me. This episode is brought to you. By facebook's when i started my business i did not know anything about accounting or finance And i'm not alone. Today we have dimona the host of make a living podcast official dating coach advice columnists on la times. She's also on the drew. Barrymore show as a love expert. she's slash. She does it all. When you were starting out did you look at like a pnl and your expenses or any of that stuff in the beginning or when did you start doing that. Knocked girl I did not. I had no systems. I had no tracking. I had no accountability. And i was just like i want this to happen. But i wasn't really able to plan for the future or build upon the success that i had had until i got more granular about those metrics. Yeah same like oh. Technology is amazing having tools that. Make it easy for me to track. Where i am and whether i'm going to make my quarterly goal or not and that can help me invoice more quickly. Because i mean i literally would spend like hours hours of my time with invoicing trying to make invoices on. Were docs and track that. And i swear to you with fresh books. I can do it in ninety seconds or less. Yeah and yes. It's just every time that i sit down and bill and i'm like wait. Why didn't i do this earlier. It's so darned easy. When would you tell someone that they should use something like fresh books yesterday. You should use it yesterday. You can go back in time and get an a time machine and the other thing. That's really been helpful for me with clients is having the integrations with your bank account so that they can also pay the invoice right there for anything. That's an ongoing project where i'm billing on. Say a monthly basis. You can set it up so that it automatically invoices your client at those set intervals and then we'll also send reminders if the invoice hasn't been paid if you set that up accordingly. I mean that just like gets out of a really awkward conversation absolutely. Yeah and it's just like it's not me. It's the fresh books. Is there anything you'd say to that creative girl that's like i'm not a money personnel. Never be a money person. I'm not in money person either. But i want to make money and need to make money for my family so you don't have to be a money person and that's tools like fresh books exist there for the people who are not money people because you still have to be able to invoice to track your time to bill to collect money you still have to be able to run your business as a business and it doesn't matter if you are a finance girl you can still do it with the right tools at your disposal. Try fresh books free for thirty days. No credit card required good fresh books dot com slash girl boss and entered robots. In the how did you hear about us section and then you can get back to build the business you love. I heard and read in multiple interviews. That you really care about consistency. Can you talk about what that means for you home. I think some consistency and consistency in financial stability consistency in hosting my videos. I don't like based Keeps you going 'cause if you go down. You're struggling to push with your options struggling to go higher so i just love consistency and i just love the game and that makes me very happy. You said you like the downs as well because you have to have those and it seems like you really appreciate those moments i do i do. It reminds me not not everything is go and it's reminds me but i need to walk her to go. I'm going. i didn't take anything for granted. Ed denies me. That i need to be grateful and i can always fall and i need to show gratitude as well and just accession. Lawmaker means equals. Everyone's who lifted me out to. I am so i love going down going down to go back up. Going down staying don. I don't stay down when you're talking about consistency for posting. What did that mean for you in the beginning. And then what does that mean for you right now me in the beginning it meant just supposing my videos every one or two days now everything is so busy and everything has changed so for me now. every three four five days and then keeping up with mike complains if i drunk on Posted on time. If i do a magazine issue listed on time. If there's something. I need to do it entirely due to properly. It's very disrespectful to utah. Someone you do something do it so for me constantly is just. I promised a brand. I would do this. I signed contracts. And i do it. We that's consistent and also posting my videos again and again and again whenever someone talks about instagram marketing or social media marketing. Or anything like that. The consistency thing is what gets people so hung up. What advice would you give to them like. How did you just get through it because to post to videos a day. That's a lot i know. Sometimes he onto every half a lot on your need some days it just being lazy i civilians so much like one of my most viral videos came on the day as being lazy and i just i pushed myself and went absolutely viral. Absolutely viral suggest you know push yourself added to think about the mind. Think obama but that's true like where do you think that work ethic that consistency came from. Was your father like that was your mom. You had a teacher i feel. It's my dad. My dad would walk so much. I think he'd leaves the house like at six seven and he would come back for airman three just walking and the thing is my dad. Never missed any Misstep off day. Never he was always tough wise so even though he walked so hot it was always thou for everything that's happened. He neglected us. In every way we always unto when we add probe loans. And i think i just so who is able to balance your social life while clyde android so and provide for his family and for me like if he can do that conditions. I love so much what we needed. I him so so much. Every single thing. I do is just to make him proud and for me. That's the greatest motivation. I love that. What does he think of all of this. Oh fussy hated. He hated it so much in even had a intervention for me to stop doing the videos. Initially my that relate to the video to do it. I remember i would like you know what i love you but no so i just continued doing them and when my video blew up i told him as you up. That's great that's amazing. And then i started making money boy was he has let my child. Maya adults still proud you. Nicosia was also raised in a different generations are. He doesn't see how anybody to eat a now. he does. and he's very supportive two days ago saying i'm very proud of easily is very proud of me today. My mom's on say she's proud of me so we went from apiece Story to a place while the garage hitting everyone else on my jimbo is my daughter. Hey carli who know. Hey how this good. Yeah so spoiler. Alert took your squarespace course and i gotta tell you. I was really hesitant. Starting and i kept waiting start. Had that free trial the you offer. Yes i got so addicted. I just kept messing around and then before i knew it. My site was actually done. Yes yeah it was awesome. You really just need to get a trial and just mess around in there. Get in there. Yeah press the button press all the buttons and if you mess up an putting that in air quotes you see me. Yeah i see you quotes are in the air. Yeah you could just start another trial. Yeah that's what i love about it. If i change my mind about my aesthetic which. I do we all do. I mean it's so last season. I mean it's always last season. Yeah but i can mess with it until it was right which was awesome. Yeah we'll guess what. Why if you go to squarespace dot com backslash slash girl boss. You get a free trial. Dam yeah and then whenever you're ready to launch you can use the offer code girl buys for ten percent off your first order. Oh can finally launched this thing for ten percent off your first purchase of a website or a domain finally. Yeah okay i know all right. That's percent is like legit. It's legit yeah. No yeah it's it's a disco is a discount. It's actually very helpful. I'm not even gonna lie. Yeah looking at your post. You analyze them like jerry. Seinfeld will with his jokes. How did you analyze your comedy. And you're writing. I wound maybe. After i just want to make sure it's a correct video nuts phosa just one of their videos i took but i don't usually i take phone are incredibly deal. I make it happen. I ended to tonight to talk me. Shot and amazing process. It just comes. Naturally that's the best part. What are you edit. Your videos on us. I move is because it's and again the phone so to seize the how do you see your comedy evolving. What's the dream for you in terms of taking it. The second biggest level that your manager was telling you that you need to think about the. I'm not jimmy. Show up on my dream job now. Because i feel like all my dreams are coming to light even with the projects i have lined up. So you can't have a dream when you can reach your dream gene. That's too young teen civilly. My dreams have become reality. I'm looking for something. Because i knew i want more but i know this law to charge artful so i'm just trying to god was that more is on my. Gosh i feel you. Because i'm very much a next step person so i don't always dream like super big and last year. I would go to a tarot card reader. I was just trying to figure out to. Id eight on like an think. What is the next step. And i read that you play chess and you're very good at chess. I play settlers of catan which is like this board game and so like how does chest and strategy come into play when you think about your future opportunities i think is just. It's like chasse leave. Move your pieces now affect if you lose. That's why i'm moving my pieces very kathleen and on the nights in every stuff and i just take life as chance. Antique take it. I can make a mistake here. That states are under dean. I can to make big mistakes In the whole game. So i make sure that the end of the game a win so i wanted to readjust onto a life and seems thing and right now just moving my pieces making shah. My hand is at a loss. Who's your opponent though. And i feel like it is right in the open until he just have to make sure eva you bid them the game or you make them give up and throw it out king and that's not a week shy to every single opened. So what's the role of your managers and your core team in terms of your long game like do you guys talk every day. How do you work with your team. I do speaks money everyday. I'm very impulsive on. I feel like he just salvino. You need to cool down on this end. He just he helps me calm down. My assistant is my best friend so able to actually well. Am i advertise. I only speak to back onto our my lawyers. Nahla speaks is neutrally buoyant. Any them to through on jocks. It's a different relationship with different parts. Indifference branches. I just think i'm very glad i of them. I think might teams in april team and they do everything properly. Do everything on time. I've tried to them a lot to sometimes. Maybe they wouldn't do things on the end. But i'm also very demanding person. Sometimes i want things don dried. It's like a relationship you fight to love. I find it so interesting when you are the talent right versus kind of building a business or building a brand that separate from your identity because it's more precious issue. So how do you approach that with people. Are you always looking for like collaborators or are you like no. I need help like this is what your role is is to help me. I don't look so people to me. That's my with everything and i think it's obscene egypt. Common not just conform to people. Just because i should so. I just think i don't need any on the all union. That's why we come to me. Come to me cousy something. What is something that you are really excited about coming up that you're working on. I'm excited about so many things. But i can't speak about the only to be surprises. Angry excited about so many things. And i any skills that you have really been trying to hone in on moore and like get better scape. Would you spent my friends. She teaching me how gifts i really want to learn. And i'm learning and now nothing like skating cruise by they want to know how to do flips going housewife and then do thoughts are. I'll be good. You are ready for california. Gets a skateboard. Let's go to la. Hey carlee puno. Have you ever used plainly. I have not used planning before. But i feel like you're going to tell me about it and i'm very eager i'm about to tell you about i know it's going to soak it. Social media strategy is so important for any business big or small and without careful planning. How are you going to know if your approach is even working. Enter plan only. It's the design for a platform of your social media marketing dreams. Here's the reason why. I love planning on very visual person and with plan only you can actually visually plan out your feet. Oh nice yeah this way you just drag it and drop it as if you're moving the squares around on your own fee but so helpful but it's not just instagram. They also support facebook twitter pinterest. Hang all the social. All the social. I know there's a code. Come in lay it on me. You're going to visit. Plainly dot com backslash girl boss that's p. l. a. n. o. l. y. Dot com backslash girl boss and use the code girl boss for your first month free that's planetary dot com slash girl boss with code girl boss and a whole month free You've been interviewed by like naomi. Campbell you're an ambassador for like mac cosmetics and featured on comedy central. I can go on and you've also done your own stuff. What is something that you've done that you're like this was me. This hit it. on every level. Walking with valentino. And it wasn't just like the collaboration i could like does the wild instead onto really pushed me out and made me realize that i want to move out of my country and they just need your lines a lot of things. It's like a brian about. I see myself literally so it wasn't just about walking them. It was like the connection and me. That's the place. I have most seen myself. That's been my best thing. Can you talk about that. Collaboration that you did with them. Oh yeah we did a book together. I completely loved it. Nothing about ration- does affect. And i love that. I'm a very messy passer and i like masses and it was is everything sometimes that would be very upset but i was never disappointed ever so this is a very nice messiaen beautiful collaboration and redid the book together and was very fun and finally. Did you pitch the idea or did they pitch the idea to you so miami jock itch idea to that. I think that people don't realize as a content creator as a creative you know you've got all of the is ideas but a lot of times you do need to go in and you need a pitch those ideas in order for them to happen when you talk to your manager. Are you guys constantly just brainstorming. Like this is what i wanna do. And this is who i want to do it and then you guys go out and and outreach to them listen to the browns shows this newletter saying this gonna see always a precious in something radio. And that's why. I am and we always come up with this brighton. Brilliant ideas and it's always end up being something amazing. If i was once in another speaker box again just no speed. I took my mind and iran tone. So some is about it till today so i and it's always the browser brokers and sometimes maybe they want to know what they want to maybe the idea when to be aligned to so we'll come up with something different and together and it's so amazing and make marchuk. Yeah so one of my favorite things that you're doing right now is one. I love that. Asmar song but i also love that you're starting to do. You're going to do stand up right like we're gonna see like a show with elsa. I took a stand up class here in los angeles like two years ago and it was the hardest thing because you have to like figure out. How do i connect with the audience quickly. But then got to be funny. Obviously it's going to be so hot when it's gonna be a good process. I can't wait. I hope that you put a lot of video in it. So one thing that we do here at grow bus radios trying to redefine success and so much of changed with you even like two months ago three months ago things have changed for you. What is your definition of success right now. And how has it changed. My definition of success is insane. Happiness miami and stable mental me. To how do you make sure that your mental health is solid. When i feel like something is dressy. Just leave as just kind of leave. I don't entertain these. I've intimated. I don't try to explain it so own. Negative my go away. And where did you learn that from from your dad. Know for myself for my just throwing is that. I've seen so many people tolerating the things that i and it's always ends up affecting bob and i just knew these new in how green beans saw decided. If something doesn't mean sansei take my suitcase. My nights district and look for another stimulation. I love that before we end. I guess like you've really just blossomed and a really like your stuff right now. Is there anything you would have told elsa twenty nineteen nine hundred that you needed to hear your entre. You're doing it tracks wondering what you're doing. That's thirteen to nine hundred dollars hundred. The also talks got in here. So i wouldn't change anything of otter she's kick but us so i wouldn't change anything. I think that is exactly what people need to hear. Because what i love about you is that you're incredibly confident. You know your value you know your worth and you are doubling down on your vision for yourself which is very special and is a skill that i hope other people can learn the. Yeah hell. yeah. I think it's amazing to just seeing how you're thriving and representation of kenya to we just need way more different funny people rising up you know. Thank you so much for doing this interview. It was so good chatting with you. You can find else's videos on her instagram at majimbo dot. Oh really got that domain. That's great aj. I m b o dot o. Majimbo oh the number one way that you can support boss. Radio is by hitting that good old subscribe button and if you are feeling moved to do so please write a review. 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Frozen II (Special Mini-Episode)

Piecing It Together Podcast

15:06 min | 1 year ago

Frozen II (Special Mini-Episode)

"All right. Welcome to a very special episode piecing it together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it but today on the show Where I I don't know that we're actually doing any any specific formula. We are instead talking to Zoe. Canonise the daughter of my best friend Q. Who you know from bird road podcast. And and my my my buddy who is on piecing it together quite often and also runs this wonderful all points. West podcast network She she came in the room while we were recording an episode of bird road and she wanted to share her thoughts on frozen too so I figured why not. We never got a chance to cover it. It's one of the biggest movies of two thousand nineteen. Why not get a chance to cover frozen to a little bit on the show? Even though honestly I didn't even see it and and We don't exactly get into puzzle pieces the movie we kind of get into one or two here and there but I mean are maybe like a half a puzzle piece or something but you know we have a fun little conversation. Let's put it that way so Let's just jump into that. We don't need my usual spiel. Let's get into this conversation about frozen to all right so today on the show. We're going to be talking about a movie that opened up in the theaters. Awhile ago it's out on. Vod Now but we still need a chance to talk about it because it's a big major movie. It's frozen to and with me. Then care is very zoe. How did you like frozen to? Yeah and do you like it as much as the first one now? The first one was a little too boring. What made you like this one as much as you did. Because because this one on the turns into the Queen Okay. What did you think of the new songs? I like them a lot where you. What is your favorite Pixar movie? We well I got two onward. Remember on where when it went on and is and is I mean and froze into okay. Those are good ones did you did you. Did you watch in the movie theater? Though he an ems answer these questions asked say. Did you watch it in the movie theater? Right and friend of the crowd Nice. That's the best way to watch a movie isn't it? Yeah Way See Q. I don't know if you can hear this right now. But Zoe on the same page we. We know how to know how to watch a movie. That's for sure that's why she's doing it to see the way I. Who's your favorite character in frozen character is Elsa Elsa do you do you think they're going to make a frozen three. That will be ridiculous ridiculous. Well I've seen frozen three. You have seen. I already suffering what happens in frozen three. It's actually frozen threes threes aloft frozen andbranch because because when the two sisters and Nelson made him you know what they and they every every year. When it was Christmas in Aaron del Ana Olas gave a card or something for Christmas but it was always but it was always a picture of Olaf or like a statue level. All right it sounds. Sounds like a pretty weird sequel. Why how did they go so strange with that one because A laugh was because When they made all our aloft came alive when they grew up and he said Oh yeah. That is pretty weird. Yeah a a snowman talking. That's pretty crazy. Is there any other movies where you remember? Snowmen Talking Loud I. I do remember movies when I see chicken. Stocking that's pretty good. That could work as a puzzle piece. I think what was it you you remember now? I saw when I saw show that there was a cloud talking a cloud. Joe's draws trolls cloud talking. He was a troll. Your Dad looks like a cloud with a beard. What what else have you been doing zoe? Let's let's talk about life there with your dad and your mom. What's going on over there blowing? Sta Boring stuff. So you're you're not at least do my own aquarium. You're doing your own aquarium. Yeah WITH MY CNN. You have animals. No I don't have any animals have twice animals kind. Well I have a mom baby seal so does it remind you of finding Nemo at all I I lost me. I'm sorry to bring up a sore subject. You know what my mom said when I'm ordering. I can have a Nemo Fish Nice and I'm going to call him Nima. Yeah that's awesome. So what are you? What are you doing with your aquarium? Though what what all do you have in it? I didn't I didn't I I. I'm GonNa Start doing my Quilliam now but it's not died. This is a good time to work on an aquarium. I WanNa have an aquarium. That'll be fun and you put any CNN Moen. Does your dad help with that. Yeah Yeah I feel like your headphones are starting to fall off. What's going on with that? They're the Mike is being clutched. Hey Mike is Right here. You know are no. It's making it disappear. Do you like using zoom for these kinds of things yet. But I wish my name was in Hawaii. That will be fun Can you put my zoom in? How why is there in every play? Probably I want to be in Hawaii? Yeah that sounds like fun. How about synthesis to now how. Why Y ou there you go. You're in Hawaii. Now Dan. I am highlight anything. Usable for this or it's all usable. Wait it higher thing. Need thingy single a heart thing. What's that yeah because there's red staffing your background? Oh that's the. That's the name of the podcasts. That you're on right now. That's piecing it together. Headphones are coming off. Do you hear me. Yeah it's still here you do you hear me And they're completely gone yet. I hear you talk talk which they say your your your commanding this interview now. So what do you WanNa talk about chicken? Chicken chicken? Say say pig pig organs. I WanNa talk about firemen all right. That's pretty fun. Chickens and pigs are par Byron almost of our favorite firemen. Well that's true favor Barman. Oh my favorite farm. Animal is a sheet. They're nice and soft and fluffy. Yeah I like sheep to sheep a really cool and I like pigs fables turn. Yeah she's gotTa do my thing with him though. I need this no you. She's mother fucking Christ all right so I hope you enjoyed that conversation about frozen too. I think we we hit some important points there along the way but May Maybe we'll get zoe back on here. One of these days for the next Major Pixar movie we still haven't done an episode on onward. Maybe we'll get her back for that one. It seems like she really likes it though. Let's talk about Onwards Zoe. If you WanNa do it let me know so? I as always make sure subscribed to piecing it together and podcast APP. Choice Rate Review US Blah Blah Blah. A follow some social media piecing pod. Thanks for listening everybody I actually happen to have a song for my first album. Echoes in the dark called frozen. And I think that was before the movie. Frozen came out Not that there's any kind of copyright on the word frozen but I mean I'm just saying I didn't name it after the movie or anything like that so it just was attract. That kind of made me think of ice. And I named it Rosen. So this is a song called frozen enjoy. It will be back with more piecing it together coming up later this week next week. Coming up real soon. Move Only Bill

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141 | Divorce Him Or Kill Him?

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141 | Divorce Him Or Kill Him?

"That is the moment for me that my heart. I could just literally always every time feel it banging in my chest shot in. There's a scuffle and he could have been killed. He woke up and they struggle over a gun and she shot. She shot him in the leg shattering his femur. It s case worst case is brought to you by chase. Retiring retiring doesn't necessarily mean slowing down anymore. Chase customers can use the money chase saves them for new and interesting hobbies vacation homes traveling did. Did you know that more and more retirees are moving back into urban environments. There are lots of life triggers for this downsizing children in going to college retirement tirmizi buying a vacation or second home and ultimately becoming empty nesters while other lenders incentivize. The upfront transaction chases there for customers in in the long run. They actively manage your mortgage over time helping you pay it off faster as a chase customer. They'll save you money by showing you how you can pay off your mortgage faster astor. Chase make more of what yours learn more at chase dot com slash best case on many subject to credit property approval approval rates program terms and conditions are subject to change without notice metal products are available in all states or for all amounts other restrictions and limitations apply honing products offered by j._p. Morgan chase bank n._a. An equal housing lender hello and welcome to best case worst case is jim committee retired f._b._i. Profiler former new york city prosecutor and producer on cbs's criminal minds with me. Today is hi jim. It's francey hague's former state and federal prosecutor jim. I'm coming to you remote from new orleans from i'm new orleans nolan's that's right and i'm full up on ben as hurricanes planters panch and crabcakes wow that sounds like fun but today i'm pretty excited because we have a very special guest and that is high jam high francey francey. It's k- winfrey. I am in rockville maryland where the crab cakes are far better. I do love morlin. Sorry are the best in the world the former prosecutor myself <hes> state and federal and i did that for about forty something years and i am happily happily retired at this point tim. I have to say one thing case just started. She's the this is the first time she's ever been on the podcast and she's already a challenging me about crabcakes. What is happening. I don't need to people yelling at me like hashtag. I love k. when it's okay. You were a prosecutor in washington d._c. Weren't you. I was for almost almost twenty years. That's where i started out being a prosecutor in superior court where i absolutely loved. It and i did about half my time in superior quarter half my time in u._s. District court wow because i do believe that our paths cross during that time i was in the washington field office this in nineteen ninety six to the beginning of nineteen ninety eight and i do believe we bought some cases to you. <hes> i was on on the the cole case a major case squad and i worked with the homicide squad of the dc metro police department at the time well. Your name is really familiar earlier. I'd be surprised if we didn't come across each other yeah because we you know in washington d._c. Sore listeners know all crimes that are committed in the district of columbia are federal because it's not a state. It's not a city. It's just the district right exactly exactly. It's a <unk> a matter of some contention among people who live in d._c. But i think they'd like to have authority to prosecute their own cases but yes the the federal the government investigates and prosecutes the what we would consider local crime street crime as well as classic federal offenses like bank fraud mail fraud auden those sorts of things well yeah okay. It's so interesting because i always thought that the u._s. As the assistant united states attorneys in d._c. Were the lucky kia assistant u._s. attorneys in the entire country because when i was a state prosecutor i always thought that was the best job i ever had. I still think that that is the best job i ever had. It is really down <hes> you put away the bad guys. You feel more than you do anywhere else that you're really putting away the bad you guys. You're really serving victims. You're really protecting your community. I think being a federal prosecutor and assistant u._s. Attorney was the best career i ever had and so it seemed to me that you got the best of both worlds well. I think that's right. You know i <hes> i did economic crimes for a very long time. I'm and i started doing homicides and i realized that i i had missed something doing economic crimes because it was just always about money and with homicide and other violent crimes really do like you're making a difference so it is about putting the bad guys in jail but also for me it was connecting with victims and survivors and trying to help them navigate a process. That's that's pretty difficult for. Most people and most people don't and shouldn't have to go through it so true and i know k. that you have a case that you wanna talk to us about today. We're very excited <hes> so you have been so. The gym was just asking you about being in d._c. Federal prosecutor for a really long time you did state and federal crimes and where did you go after that. After i left the u._s. attorney's his office in ninety nine i went to become the equivalent of a chief deputy at the state's attorney's office like a district attorney's office in montgomery henry county maryland which is the county where i lived in and live now and that is where i was for eight years and then my boss the elected state's attorney. He was elected attorney general. I went with him to the attorney. General's offices chief deputy but the case that i wanted to talk about was one that i prosecuted when i was in the county fantastic so that's montgomery county case so you're in the states attorney's office so about how long had you been a prosecutor. When this case came thank you <hes> twenty. One years i started in nineteen eighty and this case came in in january me worry of two thousand and two so you were just a newbie prosecutor at the time yeah no not a thing only twenty years it <hes> i was really overwhelming alright so you're smack in the middle of your lustrous career and this case comes comes in. What were you doing on the day that came in so i don't remember in particular i remember being in my office. I certainly wasn't in court on the day hey that it came in and the as i recall there was a this this crime occurred in the second district in then in our county and at that time we had prosecutors who were assigned to the different districts we were experimenting with community prosecution and this prosecutor came in he had <hes> two police detectives from that district with him and we sat down and talked about what had happened and and it sounded like a very intriguing case and i decided that i would prosecute the case with <hes> with the other prosecutor whose name thomas tom to ganja so so k. you you. You said that one of your colleagues came in with two police detectives. What what was the police department apartments. Those detectives worked for this was the montgomery county police department. <hes> montgomery county has about a million people and so it has a very large and very effective <hes> well trained experienced police department and these detectives were <hes> were guys that i knew and had worked with before and so they laid out the evidence they had and they were at that time linebacker there had been an arrest as an attempted murder that involved two women who had gone to college together. One of them was named named elsa neumann and she was married to arlen slow and marjorie landry was the other female and they had been college roommates and they conspire to kill else's husband was an attempted murder. There had been a shooting in the victim's home. The house was broken into in the middle all of the night. He was asleep upstairs in his room. One of his young sons had crawled into bed with them and marjorie landry had snuck in through the basement assessment door a window and had come up and found him in the bedroom and he woke up and they struggle over a gun and and she she shot shot him in the leg shattering his femur and then they struggled over the gun some more and she eventually fled but he he was able she had a a watch cap pulled down over her face but the victim was able to pull it off of her face and recognized who it was and her his young son john also recognized her and the other son came in and they they knew that it was the person known to them as aunt margie this just this just as astonishing to me. Thank you have a what seems to me to be a very opposite of what it normally is. You have a woman breaking into a house where a man is asleep. Their children auburn in the bed with him and there's a struggle and he gets shot. You said that he was shot in the leg. Was it serious what was his his family was shattered and he had to have surgery and he to this day i the last time i talked and was probably two or three years ago and he still has some <hes> some pain and some mobility issues. It was a very serious injury so is this is the first really that they tell you when the detectives and your colleague come into the office as they tell you that aunt margie has tried to kill the victim yes and they. They said that she had been arrested because she was identified. She was inside the house. They had recovered some other items. They've those had not been forensically processed yet but they had some other evidence indicating that the relationship between marjorie and the victim's wife elsa neumann and we discuss what that evidence was and whether whether they had enough to arrest her <hes> there had been an ongoing custody dispute between elsa neumann and the victim arlen slow with a very tawdry history she had a really campaigned to destroy his reputation and to paint him as a child abusers she had taken the two boys repeatedly to doctors and psychologists and the allegations were both physical and sexual abuse of the boys in those <hes> allegations had been investigated in several different jurisdictions including the district of columbia and and montgomery county and there had also been an investigation by the f._b._i. At the time that this shooting occurred and all of those allegations he's had been found to be unfounded and because the the the things that newman was doing were so upsetting to her children in the custody dispute the the court had appointed a lawyer to represent the children and a guardian ad light writing ad-litem and who was very objective but as time went on he began to see that also was a disruptive influence in the in the children's lives and she was was unable to have unsupervised visitation so arlen and elsa had been separated and divorced or day day still day were they were legally separated but not divorced yet at the time that this attempted murder happened there had been a it in this ongoing custody dispute. There was a hearing scheduled for the week that that this was happening and we we believe based on things that emails and things of that sort that elsa had that we found out that she was pretty sure that she was going to you you to lose custody of the children so this was this was a way that if if she was able to to end his life and also also further discredit him that she she somehow convinced herself that she would get custody of the children. What's really interesting here to me well. Of course the case in general is very interesting but almost at the same time as that case came into you and you were prosecuting this. I was in the district attorney's office in cobb county georgia. A case came in to me where a mother wendy title man was her name had kidnapped her two children and taking getting them out of the state in spite of custody order by judge favouring andy title men the husband for almost the exact same reasons they. We're getting a divorce wendy. China-made allegation that andy title men had been molesting children. A guardian ad-litem was <hes> was appointed. Did they also got a an evaluator to come in and do a forensic evaluation of the children and they went to advocacy centers and like you said in in your case it was unfounded. The case was considered unfounded and the judge awarded custody to andy title men and only supervised visits to wendy and that's when she snatched the children while that that's exactly what happened here and another interesting twist on this is that elsa newman had was infatuated by a woman a doctor in d._c. Whose name was elizabeth morgan. <hes> you may have heard of this. It was years ago but she had made similar allegations that her husband had abused her child and she sent her child off to a new zealand to live with her parents and was jailed for twenty five months because she would not divulge where the child was and elizabeth morgan <hes> pretty famous still in this area and she counsels women not men but counsels women on what to do when they believe their child has been abused and she she gives them three options. One is you can give entity abuser and accept the abuse to you can run that was the option option that elizabeth morgan shows or you can kill the abuser and that's the one that elsa neumann shows while while so it's interesting though when you said francey that this is kind of flipping everything on its head because you have a female breaking regained to a house and you have the father sleeping with his child and his life is now threatened he shot and in there's a scuffle and he could have been killed. It reminds me of judd ray who was an f._b._i. Profiler on the i i uh i believe the first african american f._b._i. Profiler and his wife had hired somebody to shoot him and he was shot a number of times. I think it was six or eight or nine in times and but he survived and was able to go back to work but it's it was it seems to be something that <hes> it does happen. Maybe not frequently but it does happen that women choose to try to get out of a bad situation by killing their husband will they have and i'm so interested in this case because you have the father of the victim in this case and you have the children identifying in the defendant the person who broke into the house and shot him. I'm wondering how the police got from her to the estranged wife aw y'all take coloring your hair at home to the next level using madison reed you deserve gorgeous professional hair-color for less than twenty five dollars for decades. 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That's that's code best case for ten percent off plus free shipping on your first color kit well what happened that they knew about the ongoing custody acities butte and they started interviewing other witnesses <hes> and they learned that there had been it during the custody proceeding there had been revelations <hes> some months ago that had been made by elsa newman's lawyer. She had come to his office to discuss the case and she had told her lawyer that she would. She was not going to let arslan half custody that she would either kill him or the children before she would let him have the custody of the children so now she thought that was going to gender her with the court system and get her custody a threatening not only your husband's life but her children's life why assume that little ridiculous yet but i assume she thought that was going to be confidential attention 'cause it was made during the course of discussions with her lawyer. Elsa is a lawyer herself but <hes> you know because they're worthy threats made he felt that he had an obligation to go <hes> and reveal them to the court so if a client client tells a lawyer that they have the intention of committing a crime especially a violent act taking somebody's life those that lawyer have a responsibility to tell law enforcement <hes> they do and her lawyer acted appropriately and that's one of the reasons that she was not permitted to have custody <hes> and that was one of the first i things going back to how i got involved in the case <hes> we wanted to be able to utilize that lawyers statements and testimony in the case ace in our case and we had to go and got a grand jury subpoena which he fought and the got the the subpoena enforced <hes> any did have have to testify and he testified at trial <hes> those statements were actually made in his office and marjorie landry. The shooter in this case was present during the time that those threats that's interesting kane. I don't mean to get too far down into the weeds into legal theory but if i if i remember my old law <hes> professors telling me about privilege you waive privilege that is you do not you cannot claim attorney client privilege if there there's an unrelated third person in the room and i just wonder whether that might have been a theory guys had to go under in order to get his testimony before grand jury that that there was someone else there and therefore privileged did not attach well. It's interesting you should ask that. That's exactly the way we proceeded. We had a hearing both before the report him in the grand jury or utilize testimony in the grand jury and before he was called at trial. I live in a very very liberal state and our highest court in maryland. After elsa was convicted. She challenged her conviction and one of the key arguments on appeal was whether the court erred in allowing her lawyer to testify and the court of appeal said even though there was a third party there that their relationship was so close that it was she was always at these meetings that elsa neumann had an expectation that those statements would remain privileged edged and oh garb. It's ridiculous. They turned the whole law of of attorney client privilege on its head reverse conviction chen and we had the star trier. Yeah that's ridiculous. That's that's so clearly not the law now and but that just just goes to show you there are ways of of just manipulating and interpreting laws that literally do the opposite of what the law was intended to do exactly so so the next time we had to try it without that testimony <hes> and cases usually if you've ever read about or done any cases is where you know francine. Maybe you had to retry something. They don't usually get no the second time around this one did actually we <hes> we were able to get more more phone records and we had <hes> it turned out just as well with one wrinkle this time around marjorie who has separately pleaded guilty and and been sentenced marjorie testified for elsa and testified that elsa had nothing to do with it that she'd act okay. I was gonna ask you announced is a massive challenge as a prosecutor that is a very difficult piece of testimony to overcome because everyone expects co-defendants co-defendants to in call pay each other that is point the finger at each other to try to excuse their own conduct but here you've got a co-defendant exco all painting elsa. How did you deal with that well. It actually made easier because she was such a clumsy liar. Marjorie was else testify testify at either one of her trials and and i had tons of phone calls that she couldn't explain it really it. It made no sense it for one one key piece of evidence that we had was that elsa had made similar threats to <unk> her lawyers. The one that had testified at the first trial she had made similar threats against our lands life to that lawyer secretary and the the privilege doesn't extend to a secretary where the lawyer isn't there and had described how she would do it. Issue is going to do it herself and the manner that she described breaking breaking in the middle of the night with a you know black watch cap over her face and a gun that had no serial number that mashed exactly what marjorie had done so there were there. Were things like that but again. It was a very clumsy liar and really sort of a prosecutors dreamed across examine while so did you cross examine her. I guess so tell us what that was like. What happened well. She just kept catching herself in making ridiculous statements that in some cases the jury was laughing out loud. She couldn't explain some things <hes> you know catching her and inconsistencies and asking her questions for what she had no reasonable explanation nation and it it just didn't hold up well in k. You know i think that i'd love to for you to take our listeners behind police lines and talk about what it's like as a prosecutor prosecutor to have to try a case again i mean i think that's something that you know you see it portrayed on tv and in the movies and sometimes the state just gives up <hes> <hes> and i know that sometimes there's a reason to but here you tried it again why well i think they're reasons as you said why you might not prosecute a second second case if you're case has fallen apart if the court if it's reversed and key evidence that you feel that you cannot convince the fact finder the jury beyond beyond a reasonable doubt then you have an obligation to drop the case and that wasn't the case here you know we had the woman to secretary to whom elsa had made the admissions we had had the the phone calls we also had an alibi that was contrived it we we felt that we had and we knew that we have sufficient evidence and dan it it it just there wouldn't it would i would not have felt responsible going forward without without prosecuting it and as i said it did in some ways did get better <hes> it also is one of those classic instances of sometimes a defendant being careful what you wish for they had <hes> the defense had moved if to recuse the original trial judge felt that he was biased against her again. That was ridiculous but i i don't know whether why he did it but he decided to recuse himself and then it was reassigned to another judge in montgomery county and they moved for a change of venue because of prejudicial official pretrial publicity again. That's a very high standard to have to me but this judge decided to grant that and they sent us to a a very very conservative county adjacent to ours and we got a jury that wasn't buying anything that they were so what i want to talk about now is so you try. This case case wants you one. You got reversed on appeal which is just horrifying feeling you try it again. The jury goes out. Tell the listeners what what is like for a prosecutor waiting for a verdict for me. The two worst parts of trial are when jury three is out deliberating and has not reached a verdict that is it's. It's very hard to concentrate to do anything else. <hes> in this particular case we were out of our own courthouse so you know if we didn't have other case files that we could have started even if we wanted to <hes> then we're not very long which which was nice <hes> and i think the defense thought that was gonna be favorable for them. The the very were so that's the second worst part the very worst part to me. He is when you know that there is a verdict but you don't know what it is. Fortunately that tends to be a very short period of time but that's very harrowing at you know you're just your mind goes in in all different directions. What am i gonna do. What are we going to say you know. What are we say to the family. It's a it's a murderer and there's an acquittal. How do you gather the family around. How do your comfort them. <hes> all of that going through your mind you. The jury comes out mostly. They don't look at you whether you want your lost and and until that verdict is announced. You're just on pin true k. and you know for me every minute literally every minute that goes by when i'm waiting to hear they have a verdict. I'm wondering what they're doing back there. I'm thinking to myself but i told you what i've given. You know the facts. Didn't you believe everything i said in my closing. What did i say wrong. What could i have done differently and i start to take it really personally when it goes about this is so ridiculous but when it goes beyond about thirty minutes i'm thinking to myself. This seems easy to me. What are they thinking and doing back there but it is as an agonizing time and i'll never forget when you walk into the courtroom. You sit down. The judge walks in you stand up. That is the moment for me that my heart. I could just literally always every time feel it banging in in my chest because i lived in breathe. These cases with these victims always end so waiting to know what the jury was going to do was absolutely absolutely true. You're right the worst time absolutely so that happened in this case you second trial you think you may be put up a better case even and then you had the first time so tell us what happens. The jury was only out forty five minutes. Maybe an hour yeah and it could it'd be great or could be really bad. You know i just felt that i just could not believe that it would be an acquittal because they we we had given them so much and i guess i thought that that there was a possibility of a hung jury. You know you get those twelve people back there. You have no idea idea what what they brought to the table other than what you might have learned in wadair and sometimes they withhold things and cocktail the mix up with those twelve people you just don't know what you're gonna get and and i thought that there might have been a hung jury but i after forty five minutes a verdict i just i i was feeling i won't say overly confident. I was feeling optimistic. That's probably the best i could say. I've never even in the strongest cases that i have. I never characterize them as slam dunks. 'cause you just don't know this certainly was not a slam dunk now. You're about to go in and find out what this verdict is but but a lot of time and a lot of things have happened since the actual murder attempt so how long has it been since this actual attempted murder that attempted murder occurred in january two thousand and two the first trial was in august of that year in two thousand and two the second trial after the reversal was in two thousand and five so it was three and a half years after after the attempted murder in this whole time we're. We're the kids what what happened with that. So the children were with their father. He was with family members until he was released from the hospital and in the interim they divorce was granted and he got full custody of the children <hes> and they were going to school. They've sense sense relocated and i believe that they had relocated to florida by the time the second trial came around so arlen had to come up and go through this all over or again and the main thing was that he wanted to he wanted also to be in jail until his children were adult so they could make their own decisions about whether they would have anything to do with their mother got it and so was she in jail that entire time or did she get released pending the second trial so she did <hes> <hes> she was released. She was on home arrest or to be at home. <hes> it wasn't a terribly long time. Maybe six months after the reversal ruled that the judge <hes> that second judge that i mentioned <hes> let her go home <hes> so she was able to go to temple well and able to go and see her lawyer that was about it that was very upsetting to us but less worrisome because the children by that time we're living in florida so you go back to the courtroom what happens we wait for everybody to assemble as i recall. We waited awhile for her defense attorney <hes> i actually had we had gotten my co counsel and i had gone to get dinner. It was nighttime and we got a call or call on one cell phones and walk back to the courthouse and we fortunately were just wrapping up dinner. We didn't have to leave it. Although that has happened to me in the past when jury has come in and we walk into the courtroom and wait for the defense attorneys everybody is gathered. There was a inspite of the hour a believers around eight thirty a p m <hes> the corn was pretty crowded. Elsa had a lot of followers. There were a lot of women who claimed that they had experienced similar situations situations in their mary so she had quite an entourage and she had four lawyers. This go round which i don't think did or any any good in in this county and <hes> <hes> in in maryland clerk read the verdict. The foreperson doesn't so when the jury walked in to they look at you do do they look at the defendant what happened. They didn't look at anybody. They look straight ahead. They weren't looking at me. They were my co counsel. They weren't looking at our side of the table. That weren't looking at the defense side of the table. Able which i you know again. I hate to read body language but it wasn't that wasn't giving me costs for continue. It's interesting k. I've always heard uh on again tv and the movies. It's our jim and my business now. They usually portray somebody will inevitably say all they look at the defendant. That's good for the defendant if they look at the prosecutors. Here's good for them. I've never found there to be any rhyme or reason to who the jury looks at when they come in the courtroom as to what their verdict is. What do you think i totally agree with fat just like i don't think that a jurors frown or smiler nodding along during during your closing argument indicates anything either because as i said when people we'll go back there that's twelve people all kinds of things can happen so i don't read anything into any of that okay so they hand the a paper to the clerk and the clerk reason or the judge has at this point that the judge what happens is that the the courtroom clerk gets gets the physical paper verdict from the four person hands it to the judge who looks at it first because he or she doesn't want to be surprised and then the a judge hands it back to the clerk to read and so <hes> depending on the way the jury the verdict form is read the four person would read it here as i recall the the first count would have been the attempted murder there was also a firearms count and burglary because this although they were crimes names that were physically committed by her co-conspirator <hes> marjorie elsa was charged as an aide or in a better on those and it was part of the conspiracy so now the clerk read each count and once you once you hear that verdict of guilty on the lead count which is the most serious count the rest of it doesn't really matter but she was found guilty on all counts wow well. I'm sure that was very rewarding. After all this time and that incredibly ridiculous indecision by the court of appeals in your state i mean that just seems outrageous that they could say. I mean for two reasons you should have. I've had the ability to put that testimony in and they undermine both of them which makes no sense exactly yeah well. That's that's our court of appeals kinda kind of crazy but we do have a crappy again with the digging john what's happening. Have you ever had maryland crab cake. I have actually k. when i was living in d._c. I i became completely addicted to crab cakes and you are correct maryland crab cakes or wonderful. I'm not sure i would say they're better than new orleans considering. I'm sitting in new orleans at the moment. I feel like i have to be loyal but they are certainly amongst the best. I have no doubt they are. They are awesome well. It's good that we is on both of those conflicts during this this podcast but <hes> caves really interesting hearing about that case you mentioned before that you spoke to ooh the father of the victim in this case a few years ago. How are the kids doing. How did that all work out. You know surprisingly well considering everything. If they went through <hes> he actually sent me pictures school pictures of them. They're adults now but this was when they were still in school and they played played musical instruments. They were in sports <hes> very well adjusted <hes> arslan had remarried at some point and <hes> as he described it to me. The relationship ship was good with the second wife and and also was not released from prison until two thousand fifteen so the boys. The boys were grown up by then. I don't know whether they have any contact with her. Perhaps they do but at least at this at this stage in their lives they have the the power and they can control oh her access to them. She sounds like a pretty messed up person and somebody who brags about an intention to murder somebody else and then and follows through with it not a good mother is this is always driven me crazy as a prosecutor and i guess intellectually i understand the difference obviously between murder and attempted murder but it seems to me that she had every intention that he di and but for the incompetence of aunt margie he would have died and so i just feel like she should have been punished as if he had died. I just think that's a more appropriate punishment because as she wanted that's where she set in motion. That was her intention. It seems to me that she should have been punished for that. Let's just me. I i don't disagree. I don't disagree. We should get twenty years <hes> but probably not enough. I have seen murderers get less time than that. Though and again the main thing we were concerned about was making sure that she was locked up long enough to get those boys to the age of majority that was the most important part yeah twenty years and she served how much of that while she was locked up from two thousand two through two thousand fifteen other than that six month period that she was out in between the two trials so thirteen years and that's you know that's pretty much the standard i mean usually people will serve you know two thirds the time and so she certainly put in that much time and while i'm just glad the kids were able to grow up away from such a negative influence influence and i'm glad that their father survived and was able to go on with his life to yeah. He's a pretty remarkable guy. Tell us k whether this case is that you just told us about is a best case or worst case in your mind i would say it's both <hes> best case because in spite of it not being the easiest case to put together and to try we were able to prevail and to protect those children from a murderous the mother and a really sick and twisted mother until they were old enough to control their access to her <hes> worst-case because i had to do it twice i even though we won twice. It's very hard to have to try a case two times at worry about the outcome right while well. We're glad you were persistent and you're able to help. Protect those kids and get a little justice there as well but thank you so much for being here and for sharing with us is your cases from your career and we hope you'll come back again and talk to us more about other cases. Thank you for having me. I'd love to come back great well for our listeners. Thank you for listening and we're signing off. This episode best case the best case worst case is an ex g production produced by jim clemente at empire studios l._a. Engineered and edited by mike mcdowell music posed performed by simba tsumba and hosted by one. You can listen to best case worst case on your favorite favorite listening app. We are on spotify stitcher apple podcasts and wherever you listen to podcasts if you want to do something about child sexual abuse darkness delight can help. Did you know that more than ninety percent of the time children children are sexually abused by someone they know jim. This isn't about stranger danger. It's about learning the true risks. Darkness delights training can help prevent recognize and react to child sexual abuse in your community when you make the decision to get involved. Kids can be protected. It starts with you visit w._w._w. Dot d. two l. dot org to take the training and learn more. That's di the number two l. dot org.

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His business is building ice castles. Will that get harder in a warming world?

Climate Connections

01:30 min | 3 months ago

His business is building ice castles. Will that get harder in a warming world?

"Dr anthony leiserowitz and this is climate connections in the movie frozen queen elsa magically creates a palace maid of sparkling ice for brent christianson making an ice palace is harder but the results are still enchanting. We tried to create. What feels like a other worldly experience. Christensen is the founder of ice castles. His company builds elaborate structures that tower up to forty feet high. They start by making thousands of icicles. Which the fuse together. And then spray repeatedly with water so given a month of good cold weather we can create some pretty massive structures. Low temperatures are good for building but visitors dislike extreme cold so the company's sites in utah. Colorado new hampshire and wisconsin are in areas that often hover near thirty two degrees some years. It's really cold some years. It's not and we just gotta hold our breath and work with what we have last year. The wisconsin locations opening was delayed because the ice was melting and climate. Change is bringing more warm days. Long-term definitely if i were to pass this down generation generation. We'd be moving further north. I'm sure but for now. Christianson is coping with the uncertainty and this year his team was able to build. Ice castles fit for queen elsa herself climate connections is produced by the for environmental communication to hear more stories like this visit. Climate connections dot org.

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Disney Animation Chief Jennifer Lee Is The Queen Behind Elsa And Anna

NPR's Business Story of the Day

07:13 min | 1 year ago

Disney Animation Chief Jennifer Lee Is The Queen Behind Elsa And Anna

"Just when you thought you had pushed it out of your consciousness it's back manager. Danny that of course is the theme song from frozen. The movie was a massive. Hit the Disney film long-held the crown as the highest grossing animated movie worldwide frozen was written and Co directed by Jennifer Lee who has since been named Walt Disney animation studios chief creative officer the first woman to hold such a position during the making making of frozen to. NPR's Elizabeth Blair sent some time. Spent some time with her in frozen to water. Air Fire and earth are important to the story so he's the wind in the movie the characters call her gail sometimes. She's he's playful and sometimes she's angry. We played a little louder in a windowless room at the Disney animation studios in Burbank. Supervising sound editor Odin. Benny test test plays the different wind. Sounds for a group of people working on the film including Jennifer Lien and her co director. Chris Buck because she blasts that. That tree tree limb away from Ana. That's gale goes your the magic and Gail starts to go around Elsa and then spits the others out. This kind of collaboration goes on on for just about every aspect of an animated Disney movie says Jennifer Lea and you go shot by shot moment by moment frame by frame and discuss everything everything from the emotion to the effects to the camera. The first frozen was inspired by Hans Christian Andersen's fairy tale the snow queen one of the heroines. Elsa has magical powers she can make ice and snow in a split second for inspiration for the new movie Lee and a team from Disney traveled to Norway Finland and Iceland wasted on a glacier for the first time really hit us. What would elsa feel standing here? The glacier it's a thousand feet deep is thousand years old it's of nature completely and something she would probably be so connected to and we realized is sort of the mythic round her power. That opened up the story to be something even bigger for us. That's something begins as a secret. Siren that calls astounds. Can you hugh some look for Travel Pretty Soon Elsa decides to go in search lurked the secret siren on her own. Her sister ANA wants to go with her. You are not going alone. I have my powers to protect me. You don't excuse me. I climbed the North Mountains survived a frozen 'em saved you from my ex-boyfriend and I did it all without powers so you know I'm coming storytelling. It's serious business at Disney teams of writers and directors not only work on their own movies but also lend fresh set of eyes and ears on other movies development this kind of peer review process. This is not for everyone says Clark Spencer President of Disney animation. But he says when Jennifer Leaf I came to Disney twenty eleven. As a freelance writer. She Dove Frieden. She just accepted that the story team is in there trying to help build the story and you got to keep that vision but listen to the ideas and figure out what is really behind those ideas how how is that going to help propel the character for where do I push back. And where do I actually listen and figure out how I am going to alter where I see the story at this point in time and so I think that piece of it made the entire studio just fall in love with her Lee was on the team that made wreck it. Ralph and Zootopia a socially conscious children's movie about unconscious bias. I mean it's not like a bunny could go savage right but a Fox could stop it. You're not like them. There's them now now. You know what I mean you kind of Predator. The kind that needs to be muzzled. Zootopia won an Oscar and became Disney Animation Studios second movie to cross the billion dollar mark at the global box office. The I was frozen. WanNa build a snowman rider bike around. Aw frozen won. Two Oscars Jennifer Lea walked the red carpet with her sister. The movie spawned a cottage industry of other products a bestselling soundtrack a Broadway. Show a ridiculous amount of merchandise fan videos and children performing the songs in talent shows around the world when making the new movie Jennifer Lee said she tried not to think too much about disappointing the deep well of frozen fandom. Well I think I think if you try to think about it. It's it's overwhelming and it doesn't you almost can't process it. Lee has had a lot to process. She watched someone she respected. John lasseter get forced out of Disney named over allegations of sexual misconduct lease says lassiter was instrumental in putting her on the team that made frozen he executive produced movies she worked on and Lasseter's legacy at Disney is complicated. There had been rumors of his misconduct but he was also considered visionary. It's an adjustment. It's all overwhelming at at times. But we have all these films that needed to move forward and what we all did which became a model for me as we we got together and and we all sat as directors and producers and said. What do we see for the studio? What are the things we need to do? Going forward what we try to say. All the time is the work. That's what did you go to go to the work. When Lee was named Disney? Animation's new chief Creative Officer Walt Disney Studios Chairman. Alan Horn said with frozen. She brought a new and exciting perspective to the company. Lee think some of her mental toughness comes from being raised by a single mom. A nurse who worked three jobs Lee remembers being bullied and taking comfort in stories one of her favorites with Cinderella. I think the biggest thing for me was her. You're being mistreated so much. But being able to say it's not you. It's them and hold onto her strength. Cinderella remained ever gentleman kind. Aw for with each dawn. She found you at Sunday. A dreams of things would come to fairy tales for kids is. We're going to take you a little bit into scary places that you an notions of things that you are uncomfortable with to help you cope in real life but we're always going to bring you back to a safe place. Jennifer Lien says. She wants Disney animation to push the art form forward and create new stories and characters that speak to the world today. Elizabeth Blair N._p._R. News.

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32. Decolonizing Climate Activism with Elsa Mengistu

The Secret Lives of Black Women

49:28 min | 1 year ago

32. Decolonizing Climate Activism with Elsa Mengistu

"Hello dear listeners. It's Gabby done of bad with money. Our world has been totally rough with corona virus pandemic. And right now I really WANNA get personal. All of this going on. I want to explore. What an unexpected global health crisis does to our spending and how we see ourselves when the future feels more and more uncertain batted. Money is back for an all new season. Now listen in stitcher apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi I'm Linden. I'm hosting the new podcast pandemic economics from stitcher. And the Becker Friedman Institute for Economics the Kobe. Nineteen pandemic is an unprecedented global crisis. We're here to help you navigate this moment. I'll be joined by my co host New York Times reporter. Eduardo Porter will be interviewing top scholars from the University of Chicago on a wide range of topics from global markets. To how this will change the nature of work new episodes every Thursday pandemic economics. Listen on stitcher. There's definitely a ratio recommending thanis to happening environmental space. I think top Wayne Crime adjusters as tackling very roots of this country. Just like from justice is tackling climate justice. You're talking Corneau's ration- white supremacy. You're talking racism and titling patriarchy. Why am I fifteen years old? Sixteen years old spending thirty forty fifty hours a week organizing events and campaigns and lawsuits this so people can have clean air and clean water but at the end of the day. Either I work with you. I work around you and some are in our way. I'm going to have to get out. This is the secret lives of black woman. I'm SHARLA and I'm Laurin and today we're talking about black climate activism. I am so jazzed about this conversation. Because I feel like so often. In media portrayals of climate justice and climate change black and brown voices are left out when they were less gave a real black indigenous Brown. People of Color have been leaders of this movement since jump because we've had two for our survival absolutely Because our neighborhoods our air our laundry the target of corporate environmental attack. Yeah I feel you know. I truly feel like climate. Change is just another one of many things that is a function of white supremacy. And it's like with everything else we've got to fight for ourselves and we've been fighting for ourselves. You know I feel like I'm just so sick of it always just being like a face. That's not ours. We've been doing the work over at you. Guys who can see your favorite now over it. I always get round up when I just talked about. Supremacy really gets you. I don't know what it is about it but you get real pissed because it's just because it's it's the root legit. I can't believe you answer that. It's the weird volleyball manner white proxy. Because it's bad no shit no shit. Yeah but today I feel like I'm I have a feeling in my bones that today's conversation is going to be really enlightening and inspiring today. We're talking to Elsa Mengistu Elsa is an eighteen year old freshman at Howard University and the national climate justice organizer as a student. She's been lobbying the administration to become more sustainable as part of the Howard University Sustainability Student Committee pushing the school to reduce plastic waste and provide free public transportation to students outside of school. She's worked with some of the biggest. You flat environmental advocacy organizations like this is zero hour in consult other organizations on how to engage young people. She's currently planning a four thousand person. Climate Conference train new climate activists in twenty twenty one and she wants to make more people aware of the disproportionate impact. Climate Change will have on the black community. I'm really excited. Talk to Elsa especially because environmental activism is always stereotypically associated with white people. It's given a white voice. It's talked about from the white perspective. And there's always this race blind approach to the way that we talk about it and deal with it and I can't wait to talk to her and get into the nitty gritty now and the children shall lead indeed. Let's get to it. Let's white called you to do this. Specific work around climate justice climate change. It was an accident actually. I've never labeled myself an environmentalist It was just common sense. I didn't have to really believe in it. But one day I was scrolling on facebook and I came across a bunch of climate justice information and and I've never seen a group of youth or group of people or adults talk about climate change through the Lens of day to day people and what that Mansoor people that look like me and communities that are not included in conversations regarding issues of this scale And so I was just kind of like drawn by the by the fact that there are group of kids showing the humanity behind the climate crisis. And so I joined just because honestly I related to it and it was the first time that I saw stories instead of data or stories instead of like fear mongering or something That's how I got drawn into it but I actually had to take a major step back from my climate work this year transitioning into school and not realizing how much that I invested into climate work. And how much of a toll that took on my relationship with work and how I view others and just like Just myself in general and so I think it's weird for me right now. Just because I'm trying to find a balance where I don't what climate work to take over my life but also climate injustice is GonNa take my life kind of a weird balance. I'm trying to figure out right now. But it feels more empowering than feeling weird if that makes yeah you said that Climate work has kind of like it's kind of affected your relationship with people and with school. I can you talk more about that. What has it kind of taken from you. What have you to kind of sacrifice in order to do this work? Yeah So I started hardcore organizing climate justice. My junior my towards the end of junior year of high school and Olive Senior Year of high school and at the time I was operations director and partnerships director for zero hour which is a Youth led organization with the hundred chapters globally focusing on climate justice and making sure that frontline and marginalized voices are the ones that are the center of these discussions And at the time we're putting on a four hundred person conference in a state in a city that where we've had no previous space And that would mean I could put easily forty to eighty hours a week and planning stuff like this on top of other campaigns that we had and any other projects in groups that I was working with on top of being in school on top of doing all of that for free And being so young eighteen sixteen fifteen and working with a bunch of kids who have never before run an organization running organization. That shit is hard and I went. Oh I'm so proud of you and so inspired by you guys but learning to handle yourselves professionally and learning all yourself with people that are like double and triple your age. That don't know how to handle themselves. And just being seventeen and drafting a nine page contract and putting a venue space in my name was kind of like. Oh Shit this is also And then it just kind of changes the way you look at things because it was. Oh I'm not like I skipped my own prom to go to a conference And do something like hardcore networking for the conference. That I was planning and so like it's just always a balanced Figuring it out I had an essay due last semester. For one of my English classes and I turned it in like like like a month and a half late but my because my professor was I guess understanding of my schedule but I was like thirty thirty thousand feet in the air crying because I have to type this paper but I just missed a week of school and then I'm coming back and then listen twenty four hours. I'm leaving again for two days coming back and then and three days a half finals was this a defining moment for you in recognizing that this is work that's going to save us all And Super Big but that your own life also has precedents to that you needed to have balance definitely Like I think investing so much of my time and so much of myself in highschool into this work a kind of let me forgets invest in myself and the radical act is self care And if we're not self sustaining ourselves and we can't sustain movements and so it really forced me to take a step back and think about who am I and what am I doing. And what impact my making but also what am I doing for myself? 'cause I can't I can't do both if I'm not like I. I have to both if I'm going to do one if yeah is there a sense of resentment against I mean amongst people your age? Who are doing this work that you're being robbed of your adolescence Like you can hear it in your voice like being. This is like stuff you have to do. And it's taking away so much for your life. I mean it is a blessing. I get opportunities that I would have never imagined and I have a platform to talk to people about issues that maybe they don't listen to on the daily And so I think it's a blessing but also your there. Why am I fifteen years old? Sixteen years old spending thirty forty fifty hours a week organizing events in campaign aims and lawsuits. Just so people can have clean air and clean. Water like yeah. That's ridiculous. It's so frustrating. I don't know I'm doing. I mean I know why. Why in your work do you think that you face lake? Because I remember being eighteen and just feeling like adults just didn't understand. They forgotten what being useful was like. Like just the challenges that you go through as an eighteen year old and I think to me. It's really interesting. That young people are are playing a large part and leading this movement of climate change because it is like adults corporations and capitalism have for gotten that they're playing a huge part in these issues and some people don't believe it. So how do you combat that when you're faced with powers bigger than you that are like this is not like people who are come? Change isn't even real. Oh that's not my concern people like that. They're not on my radar For the most part when ever I lose in like the work sphere whenever I work on climate justice or most people I know The adults they're not obstacles. They are obstacles but they're not obstacles in the sense of Oklahoma changes in real obstacles in the sense of Hey we need funding to put this event together. Now your kids. You don't know how to handle your money we'll send you four thousand chocolate bars instead Or adults I don't give a pat on the back And say thank you so much for what you're doing for your generation and my generation I've completely given up And that's so backwards and so it it. It's kind of defeating when adults kind of like talk to us with rhetoric like that but at the end of the day. Either I work with you. I work around you And that's what he's been doing And so I just kind of ignore it. So you're a freshman at Howard. Yes I am. And you've already lobbied the administration for more sustainability Yeah I've just been helping With the proposal is behind the scenes and try and give support just. Because I haven't been able to organize as much as I wish. But yeah there have been really large efforts to push our schools Be more sustainable or at least stay on track for its target goals that they have set for themselves. Were these efforts going on before you got there or or when you got there you started seeking out and pushing these efforts there have been pushes before Through others like student bodies and on-campus there has always been a lively sustainability crowd like a grain crowd They've olive campus been kind of separated. So maybe we'll have like fifteen clubs during different things but none of those clubs are united in Getting Administration do one thing or were united in collectively pudding Their bases and their messaging together. And I think that just recently started when I when I got here as a freshman And I connected with some student leaders that were really interested In this and I came out of the strike We were hosting climate. Strike here to pressure the university to to do what it's supposed to do And then through negotiations with the university Ah looked promising and so I think the strike. Yeah the strike happened but it didn't happen to the scale like a protest as we initially planned but it just kind of came out of the planning for the strike so I'm not sure as to what extent Work has been done on this but there has been a scene here for a while working on issues like the. What has it been like to do the work at Howard because I imagine a lot of the spaces in the climate movement. I wonder are they very intersectional? So what has it been like to be on campus at Howard and do this work with other black youth for Black People? And how receptive has the Administration Ben? Those two separate questions So working with I haven't been able to invest as much time as I wanted this most surges. 'cause my everything. Just went out the window and got chaotic But the first public meeting I went to It was just a room of all black people that care about the earth And environmental seen spaces it's the complete opposite Complete opposite you might see like maybe one or two black people here and there unless you're in the youth climate space or the EJ young environmental justice space intentionally seeking out people that look like you or a diverse group of people working on issues I've just never been so like salt. Like affirmed in my identity and the work that I'm doing Until I was in a room full of a hundred fifty black people that work that cared about. What's going on on campus? What are university doing to make sure that they are doing what they need to be doing. until that itself as affirming the university on the other hand is interesting I don't know much about the school I've been here for a semester now but they seemed really receptive when we had the proposals listed And when we propose when the people that were proposing idea proposed that we have A student committee that is responsible for this that works with the the departments within the school to make sure that. We're actually recycling and making sure that our dorms are being sustainable and making sure that we're keeping up with what we need to be keeping up. With and those terms they have been receptive but only have they been receptive after they have been called out and after fear of backlash During the climate strikes Until up until that point. I haven't really been seeing much but hopefully We are heading in a in a new direction. But that's really going to happen if we continue to keep pressure on the institution because no institution is going to do anything That matters unless you force it from them right. I I am wondering if you're you're you know you just say that you've only been in college for a semester and that's such an exciting time in your life and you're searching for balance. I wanted to do for fun lake. How do you unwind and take care of yourself to find this balance I got a Howard. So if they turn up all the time I'm always with my friends Or literally just like or either. I'm with my friends are in by myself and I just decompress I love listening to music. I just love doing random. Things reason It's like three M my I'm GONNA go to the monuments hot music I've been trying to expand My music taste has been like so limited But right now. I'm trying to get into more arm. Be AND MORE HIP HOP. Because that's that's something that really go much into other than like surface level but my favorite favorite artists. I will say is Geneka. Aiko no She was sues me. My Soul is just paused. Hard-trigger PROTECTION MANTRA. All the time everywhere. Let's get still. Let's pause all the time. Yes yes. That's fine yeah just show Nice okay. We're going to take a really quick break and when we get back. I just have so many questions about you. Know the broader climate change movement and attaching it to like racial activism. And what can we as individuals due to create some change? So we're going to take a break and come right back. April is sexual assault awareness month. And we want to recognize the survivors of child sexual abuse. The Unique Foundation is a nonprofit organization whose mission inspire hope and healing and women were sexually abused as children or adolescents. They offer free resources including education retreats and support groups. If you or someone you know is an adult survivor of child. Sexual Abuse Tech secret lives two three one nine nine six to receive free online resources talking about race is complicated understatement on the codes which podcast from NPR we dive right into that complexity to try to make sense of some of the biggest thorniest issues in our society because race shapes our families and friendships and power and politics and sex and money music so come up with US subscribe to the coast which podcast on NPR one. Or wherever you get your podcast. An we're back. I have a question which is how do you think being a black woman has impacted your perspective on this work and the spaces that you occupy doing it. I think it means that when I do this work. I have to unpack my identity as a black woman. I have to acknowledge the privilege that I have Which is why I'm able to do this work in the first place Organizing for free. Most of the time Have that privilege that I can do that. But also unpacking the wrestling entities. I'm an immigrant from Ethiopia moved here when I was two and a half with my family. I'm first nation Ethiopia and Eritrea. Are they deal with worsening worst droughts because of climate change and so? I can see my family's struggle hair but then the United States I have some kind of privileged because of like my economic status and how my family has been able to raise me And so just even like just in those tweet enemies themselves. I just have to unpack them and when I do work in the climate spaces recognizing that there's only in the in the climate space I might see like maybe ten other faces that look like me and so me being there I'm automatically you automatically representing communities that. Look like me Even though I can't speak for everybody It it just means that this is more personal for me and that I not doing this to be cute My communities are on the line And so it's just more personal. We've won a reference episodes being the only black face and a white space and the way that you have to navigate that Just even like a basic work setting and I think for something so big. How are you navigating? How are you navigating that? And are there black elders in the community that you can like give you advice on how to deal with the just the bureaucracy of like yes including activism? Yes so when I first started this activism and I was. I would just hear T- about these different organizations an anti-black okay. Cool not working. They're not working with them and I would just hear stuff I'm like. Oh wow like the environmental spaces. Anti-black cute S- But the entire time for me I I didn't work. I worked with zero hour and we are at the time all of directors or women of color and so in every space that I was in with the youth that I was working with I was always validated. I was never second guessed because of like the complexion of my skin Instead like my experiences and my identities were validated uplifted. And those that give credibility to what I was doing what I was saying Which is complete opposite of? I'd say the adult space I'd say it's opposite for the space as a whole I know lots of mentors I would just tell me like off. It like terrible stories about the spaces. They worked in and they organized in. How anti-black they were and just the things they had to deal with as they were growing up in this movement. I haven't had to deal with simply because we were able to create a space where youth like me and people like me were able to thrive comfortably But they're there's definitely a ratio recommended venues to happen in environmental space. And how that's Lebie leading to so many talented black and Brown youth and women from not joining this movement and joining the space which is ultimately hurting us. Also have you ever experienced a racist moment while you've been doing this work personally me not I actually never mind You always think you do I can't say any names but I was me and two other girls. Were giving a speech at a climate concert Two years ago The start of my junior year of high school so the first time that I had ever really stunned public speaking for climate justice or anything of that sort And our speech was talking about Climate Justice. Indigenous rights black lives matter And things of that nature and just connecting systems of oppression and intersection in our work and one of the people in the audience. A grown man. was just talking so much shit about us and he was just talking. It was just like Things are gone man. Wouldn't be saying about kids but basically just saying where like skinhead lesbians that had no idea what we're talking about And that we shouldn't focus too much on race because it was divisive and just things of that nature and this is a person of big profile Person of big connections A person who is well respected in their spaces They're verified checkmark on twitter instagram. Their work for Really reputable organizations and institutions And they're just saying this about us as youth and saying that other adults in this space and so why people don't approach me with stuff like that they definitely do say it and you hear about it. How did you guys respond to that I'm not going to trip over a forty five year old man. That's saying something about me but it was just very Eye Opening US too I think tackling climate is tackling the very roots of this country. Just like criminal. Justice is tackling climate justice. You're tackling Corneau's Asian white supremacy. You're talking racism and you're taking tackling patriarchy and it just opened my eyes as to dam like this should Israel. There's so much more that we have to do. And that's just not ending climate change. It's abolishing systems of oppression And some are in our way. You're going to have to get out. You Better Tell Him Elsa. I got chills. You just. You're like I've seriously wanted to go out and fight right now. I'm fighting somebody periods. Seriously do you feel like the youth led organizations that are coming up are as anti-black or like segregated I guess as these older ones do you think like? There's I racial reckoning that you're talking about is that happening in the youth yeah Yeah actually Even there our women of Color Board of directors Like aby seventy five percent. Poc membership like yes yup and we still have to recognize how we internalize white supremacy in how that shows up in our works in our workspaces. And so we. We've had two trainings where we had to dissect how white supremacy pops up and how we communicate with each other how we view work. How Work The relationship we have between like work and productivity and management and stuff like that and so learning. Our mind blow. I can't believe the level of all sophisticated. Yeah around this in our thirties. Thinking about the decolonization of my own. Mind when we're absolute so it's it's really inspiring to listen hear. You say that you're doing all these things so the used are doing all these things you know especially the way that you guys are sent to the work and making it important. Because it's it's crucial to the word is and people don't recognize that like the end of the day white supremacy is gonNA shop and every single space day. Why we live in a world that is shaped by white supremacy. Damn thing in this world that you can't touch touch by thing when you guys talk to media do you do you guys talking your training when you're trying to you know Decolonize basically in your own minds. I do you talk about how to talk to the media in a way that gets them to to. I guess portrayed these stories because because even the media talks about environmental issues and an environmentalist of color in a from a lens of white supremacy from an like alinskyites promising. I will say like Magical Unicorn of like they don't exist. It's always like how can we put a whiteface absolutely on this is like how to WHO. Who's reigning them in in the way that they talk about so? I don't know what they've been doing recently but I know that we have a medium page because whenever we would pitch Stories about climate injustice and talking about Like how that relates to race or gender or economic class or something like that It would be denied by like a major publication but if we pitch something that was Like something very basic end just surface level just talking about climate crisis. I'm being a kid Stuff like that always gets published and so I always see kids like having to self publish their own things. are having their own media medium pages and posting their own articles and stuff like that and so Like we've kind of we kind of go around the media A lot of our workers on social media as well Just because media kind of doesn't get it we WANNA they want to paint the face of this movement of two people that popped up like three years ago Who are not acknowledging the legs that white supremacy plays the biggest function of creating these issues. You know it's really interesting. I was like having this conversation with a friend. Who's East Asian? She's like a lot of these countries are labeled as like the world's biggest polluters but there's no way the size of people in this country can create that pollution. But when you look at the companies that are there that are garment factories that are owned by European industrial brands that that creates the pollution in the smaller countries. That then get take the blame. And they're usually brown countries. Yeah no or when we are trashed. Yeah across the world for no reason seems to be a Lag. I think especially with climate change. There's a lack of accountability And I'm interested to get your opinion on this interesting shift that's happening. That's like a focus which I think is a system of white supremacy focus of like. We'll just go vegan or just go like don't use straws but not looking at the corporate impact of like. Why are we not talking about like industrial farming? You know are we not. Why is the onus always placed on an individual and I feel like a negatively placed on like black individuals and people of Color as like? Will you eat too much meat? You do this. And it's like that's not that's going to have an impact but the bigger impact is going to be breaking down capitalism Yeah I was on a panel of fume a few weeks ago and it was the first time that a lot of people audience heard the message that they were not responsible for the climate crisis that their individual actions cannot ever add up to the actions of one corporation that is responsible for the pollution that they create. And there's just a complete self of actual accountability when it comes to talking about. How did we get in this mess? You don't get into this must by not recycling your trash. Can we get into those must by having the top one hundred companies being responsible for forty three percent of emissions? Or something like that. We get into this mess by letting mega-corporations goats other countries extract their resources and then take their trash and put them back. In those countries we get into this issue by having an economic system that pretends that our earth has an informant of infinite amount of resources and that we can just take commodified land water and air. That's how we got into the solution but we want to place blame on individual people so we don't actually have to correct the systems and and revolutionized the way that we live and solve this issue like accurately and how we how we need to be doing Now so they're just not the same thing like not using Straw and having a company that has like fifty airplanes fly out and one day. It's not the same thing. It's just not the same level of damage. That's the word so then I mean. What do we do this like? How do we call these corporations out like since isn't isn't our individual actions like what can we do as individuals to hold them accountable? I mean the end of the day. Our individual actions do add up. So yeah we should keep track on that but as just. GonNa it's just GonNa take us being on the on the government's ass literally because of and at the end of the day. What am I going to do what about? That's how Walmart can you stop using plastic? What at Walmart is not gonNA listen to me ever. But the theory of change that we've been working on Like just a few youth activists that I know miss that you only need three point. I think it's three point. Five percent of the population to be part of a movement for it to be successful And so on the United States. We only need thirty million people that are actively on the government's asks active on everybody's ass advocating for green new deal advocating for a complete transition green energy advocating for completely redoing these systems that we live in It we only need three point five percent of the population to do anything that we need to do And it's just constantly being on our government's asses and with school striking. I think that's really awesome because it forces you to look at Y'all SKIBA school to go strike school to go do this or that. You're skipping school to go. Protest Young is one of the things that I'm really One of my goals for this year is to like really start to to lobby or to bug. The local government bet you know like in my Zip Code Levin guys 'cause I always feel like as a as a country. We talk about the presidential election as if it is the most important election when really these smaller election. The school board elections. You Our city council like these are the people who make the local decisions that I feel. I will reverberate tomorrow on a more national level. There's so much we can do on a local level just having your your schools Schools for climate action in California. One of my friends is the executive director of that and their whole focus is to have school. Councils acknowledged that the climate crisis there was real and that it's an emergency and implementing that in their actual education And just having that as part of the curriculum and as and having the entire school system focus on being more sustainable and being ECO friendly. And that's just one avenue change that we can all take like students can take and getting their on school systems to act Majority of change is GonNa come from from our local communities if we WANNA have if you want green democracy and we WANNA be responsible for the energy that we consume in our own communities and not have mega corporations. Tell us what we're going to use one. We're GONNA use it then. We need to be working city council to invest in energy democracy and investing in renewable energy that communities can take care of and we responsible for on their own if we don't want to rely on faceless corporations that are already damaging the earth Until the end of the day all this comes down to local action Housing many green deals everywhere white right now because I know a lot of times when we read about climate change in the paper. It's like doomsday scenarios. Like we've only got ten years. Yeah make the most of its shoot your shot. We're all going to die what he's giving you. Hope like when you hear that people just have the defeatist attitude. What gives you hope that life is possible after this doomsday scenario ten year. 'cause I I can't not have it I know too many incredible inspiring people who put all their time their energy their focus and to building a movement that reflects the people and the needs of the people that are in that moment. I know so many youth that are giving up their childhood to put a stop to this issue. I know so many people but I just I just know. I've seen too much greatness in the spaces that I've been in for me to not have hope that our future that we're not going to have a future or something There's just too many people investing in a better tomorrow for me to believe that we're not going to have won those the fall. So why so inspiring? I'm so obsessed Elsa I'm really grateful for the work that you're doing. I feel like we owe you a lot. Fr- as a person who should be enjoying their youth who's who's literally quite literally sacrificing their adolescence and this time in your life to do the super important work but I mean I guess Kudos I would say how would you? What advice would you give to someone? Who is listening? Who's young or older? Who WANTS TO GET INVOLVED? Who's like listening in feeling Marianne Call to action? I have two pieces of advice One for older people If you're an adult and you want to be engaged in these issues the compliments and the pats on the back. And the congratulations are cute. They're done What we need are accomplices and allies. Tell them also for us to do the work that we are doing. We need adults to put their reputations to put their connections to put their money. It's their time and invest it into us into our movement so that we can do something. We're fifteen sixteen seventeen. We can't sign contracts. We can't hold a rally unless we have someone that's over eighteen helping us do this stuff. We can't get into meetings unless we have. Adults vouch for our credibility. We can't do this shit that we need to be doing. Unless we have people actively advocating for and with us and so simply just Supporting the movement is is cool. But if you really WANNA be have impact being accomplice Put Your money and resources in your time and your connections and invest them into us so we can actually do something instead of spending a year and a half up ground resources just so we can plan what we're GONNA do next year. If you want you activists to do work for you please. Pay Them If you want us to create content or curriculums or presentations for you pay us for our information password. Time I can all day and I will do it. And I won't charges sent for it but there's a massive privilege in me being able to do that minds higher the entire of my high school career because my parents were able to provide for me that. I didn't have to have a job so I can focus on this a lot of youth. Don't have they don't have that privilege. Pay Them for their time so they can contribute to this movement while they're taking care of what needs to be taken care of And for Youth. Just find your local group get involved That's it I just growing on facebook and I bugged the fuck out of this group to join and they let me join And I my life has been changed forever because of it and I have I've learned so much And you don't have to have so much knowledge to jump in. You don't have to know everything to work on climate change or climate justice. You don't have to know anything you just have to be willing to learn. I didn't jump into this knowing anything about anything And I have been able to contribute to the space like anybody else has totally hear. You absolutely amazing. Thank you so much. We like to end every episode By asking our guests. What is your secret to life to thriving to living? I'm still thinking that out I say my secret right now is just to know that life is so seasonal. Everything changes nothing ever stays the same. Just get used to it And if you got you you got you. That's all you need you are. I'm just so I'm excited. All of the things that you're doing but are going to continue to do in the World Lake. I feel like we've all got to get involved and get active and get out of this doomsday prep. If only so you can be our leader. You know like I just feel like you're you're so is and it feels so energized by this and I want you to to keep doing the work that you're doing but to also have a lot of fun and enjoy absolutely. I've learned so much from you elsa on this Talk thank you so much for talking to US nine. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much and is there anything that you want to like? Plug their like a twitter or a website that you have for people to get more information about you and the work that you're doing yeah So all of my social media is Al Salman Astute E. L. S. A. M. E. N. G. I s. t. You And Gus where people can reach me and that's where I post a lot of campaigns that I'm working on mainly on my instagram stories. I don't post but that's a lot of my work is posted. Thank you so much. We appreciate all the work that you're doing. Thank you bye bye. I have like really mixed comp complicated feeling right now because I feel like I'm so inspired by her but I'm also mad that this is the reality of the world and our lives. I'm pissed and it's it's I mean he made so many good points but it's just like the sacrifices that young people are making just a ensure their lives and it's just like we all should be stepping up to the plate makes me feel like I've got. I've personally got a lot of work. I've personally I'll get involved. You know the I mean I'm pissed off so many things. I'm pissed about the fact that you know. She's we still have to protect. These people like the person whose name she couldn't mention because you don't want ever want to for some reason disparage people even though there should he people and they should be disparaged. I'm about the fact that When she's at three point five percent you know it sounds so small already million people out of three hundred million or something like that and it's like Oh and also I feel like There's just this apathy to like really take down these corporations that are causing so much because it's really like. I mean when she mentioned like I'm one person I can't take down Walmart. I was like but man when you think about it. I feel like there's such as owners of like bring your own plastic. Bring your own bag. Yeah right but like what if Walmart just stopped using plastic bag? What if we just stop making plastic bags Ashley Plastic Bags? Who is benefiting from plastic bag? Well Corporation sued. It's cheap. It's cheap to do it. I mean I'm just feeling there's so much more to do feeling very thankful for your very inspired by like the work that like young people who are doing also thinking back to me being eighteen and a college student blackout drunk every ahead and not even be able to put together a sentence and being this wise. I could not have like drafting contracts to like to have been like. I could not have done to the kinds of things that she was doing at that. She's doing I don't think I had a passion for anything or real scope of like the World Ashley and the that I have the ability to change so just the fact that I look at like an eighteen year old black woman. Who's like I'm changing thing is not that I had the ability to do it? I'm doing it is just crazy inspiring. It's also I think I've always thought to myself like Oh you know. Those people are activists like those people have. I don't know what it is that they have the I don't have but now I'm just like she's just a who just felt some type of way and she's quite literally putting her life on hold she was. She's as ambitious as I was. She's as determined as I was to make something of herself and she's quite literally putting her life on hold to do the work so I'm just like man. What am I going to do? They're one of the things she says which is actually my word of the week and sort of a push for me to get involved. She said you don't have to know everything you don't have to know anything you just need to be willing to learn. Yeah and I was like putting it on my fridge. Yes it's a willingness to learn and to also know that things can change. She also said life is seasonal and everything changes which is incredible wisdom for eighteen years old to know that things will change and things can change. I think my word of the week for this week is because I've been so pessimistic about the world lately which full reason to be is optimism. She gave me a little bit of hope. She gave me some hope Just talking to her and being inspired by her work and feeling like I can do some work to. Yeah Yeah. That's I love it. Yeah well let's I mean. I hope that everyone who's listening that it's also giving you a little bit of hope. Like what is the number three point five percent right like let's all be a part of that? Let's be fair and really fuck shit up because it's like you know black woman again. We'll save the world. Join it right now. Thank you elsa. Join let his hair down white supremacy because again it is at the root of so many problems all it is the world's evil. Let's kill that Shit. Let's kill that Shit. We hope that you go out. You fight the fight. You get inspired. You Look Elsa you support youth. Activists Poured Zero our support zero hour. 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Destroyer, Philipp Humm, Martin Hancock and Marie-Elsa Bragg

Monocle 24: The Monocle Weekly

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Destroyer, Philipp Humm, Martin Hancock and Marie-Elsa Bragg

"Hello and welcome to the motorcade weekly with me Tom Edwards and Augustine Match Laurie on today's show. We'll be meeting. Dan Bihar better the new destroyer to hear about his forthcoming album. Have we met. Then we'll be discussing business art and the selling of souls as we meet. CEO turned artist. Philip and Martin Hancock The star of his new film the last faust and with Christmas on the horizon. We'll be taking the temperature of contemporary spirituality as we made author and Priest Marie Elsa Bragg. That's all coming up plus Markle's fair Nando Gustav Shakoor. We'll be looking ahead to next week's news today and we've got some great music for you to right here on the Monaco weekly or more article. Twenty four haven't seen around these parts while Tom. It's been too long long since I renewed my acquaintance with the good ship monocle weekly Org and I'm delighted to be back particularly this week. There's some festive chair in the air around and about No strangers to hear Tori House. Of course we had a bit of a Christmas jolly for our colleagues from around the world flew into join us this week feeling a little festive. I'm going to be honest. Oh you fully prepared your man who strikes me will leave his shopping for example to the very last minute. Yes yes. I will be doing that but I enjoy the rush on like the deadline. Makes me Phil Alive Tom. How about you have you got all your offspring's present very much about four planning? What are you getting them? I can't say they're not listening into this. This is this is the least highbrow programming that they enjoy on regular basis especially the eighteen month old. Now they're going to have a very merry Christmas as As a way kind of festive chair on this week's addition of the weekly anything the particularly excited about well next week Tom. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Aunts that kind of politicians wavering on next week we're going to have an extremely festive episode. We'll be talking about Christmas. Ghosts will be looking at Christmas cocktails. ooh sounds and we'll be talking to man who translated an ancient book of of Demons and Magic spells which speaks to the pagan origin of Christmas. Smith's during the festive season. That's next week this week. I thought you know we talk about presidents. We talk about food. We talk about drink. We don't talk that much about the spiritual spiritual underpinnings of Christmas. You don't have to be religious to be spiritual is my view on this absolutely so this we're going to have An author WHO's also a priest she's actually Ashley the GT Chaplain of Westminster Abbey and has released a new book Very interesting book Beautifully written so. WE'RE GONNA be talking to Marie. Elsa Brag later Sean. That's going to be the Christmas the Christmas injection for this. I'm very much very much looking forward to that I'm also looking tearing from Shaka in just a minute with next week's it's news if we take a forward-looking stance for a moment or because it takes me to ask you about your twenty twenty vision as it were very good. That was very very good. Horse Yeah Yeah it is a bit early actually okay. Well if killed that one Tom. I'm I'm all about the future. Ah You know what I am. Future-proof what are you. What have you got planned? I'm just I'm telling each breath. Have you got a bunker New Zealand. Have you buried guns and dry food. Maybe a bunker hunker down listen We had what was it the third general election in just a few years here in this way. We're not talking about this. A full amnesty on that now ban outright ban on talking about it I've had enough of those if there's any more general elections amount of here. Here's a man though who always has his finger finger on the pulse whether it's politics or parakeets. It's not August Shaker. Hello everyone I'm feeling very festive today. Actually even my news look at is quite fast to say you one of the few people who brings brings Christmas cheer into the radio even in the summer. Exactly well thank you for that. It's a true Santa. In short shorts I would like to see that actually Knbr in Brazil zero extra occasionally we do get some of those But you know you guys. I love actions but actually there's no elections on my look at thank goodness for that if I can I say that kill keep keep it very simple can okay. Let's Nice. We'd like to listen to music Friday. It's when the official Christmas number one is released in case and is such a tradition in the UK. It's been going on for sixty five years while and you know of course recently had this kind of x factor winners but come on the Petraeus's had the Christmas number one. There's a rich history here in this country Only last year. Do you remember who was number one last year actually is it rage against the machine not quite but it was a lead baby The Tuber Uber. You know. He's kind of a dad and he did he recorded some. We built this city And this year he's a contender again. To be number one with a song co who. I love sausage rose which again took took some inspiration join jets classic. I Love Rocky Road. That's actually apparently the favourite while they have go go into doing you know the pet shop boys quite good. Musical duo amazed among the best of the twentieth century. Good into novelty acts for the Christmas number one. Yes yeah. These rage against the machine thing was subversive in the extreme. If you remember that was that did that but was that. Chris was a huge campaigns and knock Leona Lewis or whomever number was off the top spot. They didn't tax factors winning. And so they got Reggie machines. Is there any of that kind of subversive way GonNa mess things up this year attitude is being brought to this and what do you think of that attitude. Well I think it's a nice attitude of the song is good. Actually I mean actually. I don't mind the rage against the machine. I mean I'm not GONNA lie here. Don't listen to Reagan's machine Chink on a regular basis. But if you don't like lead baby there's a chance that robby Robin Williams and Tyson Fury I mean they did Some together either. I mean what is not to enjoy about that cleary for me very much the embodiment of Chris. I mean to be honest AH potentially more radical than rage against Shannon credit anyway by some measure measure. You guys keep it cool Mariah Carey is celebrating twenty. Five years of all. I want for Christmas is you which again could be number one again. Okay all grey options. I'M GONNA have my fingers crossed for Tyson Fury. I think now all we can go to the cinema instead let's seek refuge in the dark of the multiplex. The same day on Friday. Three big films will be released. I think there's a little bit of for everyone maybe not for you. All perhaps from the films I chose but you know I hope the favourite from the street. I'm going to mention to you. We have of cats I'm curious to see Judi dench as a cat and wearing a fur coat on top of it. And then you have bombshell Which is based on Roger Ailes from on Fox News and is the first film actually about the Mitchell Scandal It's interesting because the reviews so far. Heaven been that great I haven't seen the film yet. But you know Nicole Kidman's mincing their chilies. Tehran I watch the TV adaptation Faye with Naomi Watts which was very interesting in terms of the fractured chronology elegy? It didn't follow on it. Just jumped episode through an extraordinary performance. for for Russell Crowe but it has that feeling of maybe being a little off the law. Measure this release. But I'll be interested to see that one especially if you've if you've seen the D. V. series to compare and then the final one is the the big blockbuster of the season which is star wars derise of skywalker Walker. which apparently is it? The last one. I'm sure they will create a new trilogy after that. Now we can only hope whistle. Which one would you guys go? All Right Faye I have virile interest in any of those sound completely tedious. Probably the bombshell one. Because I just googled it and it looks like the one that might have. Can I say if I I was able to send to one of them it would definitely be can I can. I will do the same and I would very much like to read or listen to the review that he made of it. I would rather go and see cats than the last Jedi. I find the star wars films. Desperately Boring they all put me to sleep on that note. I might have to agree with you. I'm glad that we found common ground. What's last story or less story? Actually you touched on this topic Already on Saturday the twenty first of December. Something it's called superstar today. Don't worry it's not. US elections but is the busiest shopping day for Christmas. So that's the day where people actually will go out and you were talking about forward. Planning planning usually a living's Falente but this year I've been pretty good before I go to my travels to Brazil. I got some request of cigars and Venus so that has been ordered so I feel very fishing this year. which is telling so you just got straight on the old Internet? You've been hitting the bricks and mortar retail outlets Fernando. Actually if you very bad saying this but the finals they were only available online but the cigar storing. I wouldn't because either I bought an in person. I felt very chic during that. Are you not worried that you're giving the game away. No okay get while Faye. Thanks so much for joining us. It's been really great happy. Christmas Christmas phillies. Not Thank you buffet. You're listening to the monocle weekly. Let's in a moment. We'll be hearing from Dan Bihar better known under his musical alias. Destroyer it since the mid ninety s musician. Dan Bihan has been bringing out albums under the name. Destroy over the years twelve twelve albums to date. His sounds changed away from aesthetic anti musicality towards something different at the same time nostalgic and forward-looking Bihar Offsets lyricism lyricism dense with imagery against musical space. How twenty eleven album? Kaput introduced him to a wider audience. Myself included informal funny and compelling mark to to change the artist not least in how it was recorded. Some of his louche relaxed vocals were famously laid down while he was horizontal lying on the Sofa. Next month Behar's releasing his thirteenth album as destroyer have we met sees him engage with his back catalogue of Lyrical Jottings to bring forth new songs. He sat down with Org to explain more about his working processes. Meaning why some of these vocals were recorded sitting at the kitchen table. Some of them just came out as they always do which is just me and a walking around in a fog. Doug and the a phrase and melody will hit me a couple of them were more mild celebrating which was cramming notebooks Philip with words and then grabbing some of those words and sticking them to music which something I hadn't really done in like ten or twelve years some reason I felt the need to go back to that for for him a couple of songs like the I for instance otherwise. It's just me messing around on my computer and sending them to a friend who messes around with it even more than another friend blaze Qatar over it. You know same old. You were just talking about that kind of lyrical density. The notebooks full. Is that kind of free associative stuff. Do you write with around meaning as a helpful to the framework to think about your lyrics through. I don't really know how people do it. I know the things that don't interest me which are her character's stories psychology. I don't really know what's left. That whatever's left over after that is the stuff I write about but I get you know like a kick out of language I guess and it's not just the sound it makes us think if it sounds good it means it has some kind of emotional resonance emotional meaning. which is all you really try and do especially music you know is Is Get people not like a puzzle maker and it seems like images seems to come up as well this is like a very visual quality summarizing. Yeah that's my favorite I guess like Try and rate in a film mic kind of way but cut all fat the dross like you guys would say you know have really short ten seconds scenes string them together into a four minute song. Have you ever written any movie soundtracks. No no I haven't but it interests me. I would have to get someone to really help me. But I like having short motifs which get expanded expanded through something or endless variations on a few melodic. Seems like an lasting the in Paris. How does it come? Then when you're working with like David Galloway who directed your Crimson Tide. which is the forthcoming album? Believe what within the past. What's that relationship like kind of already? Have this image. Mapping your head right I had to actually. I'm very hands off with all the video stuff off. Just because I'm a little bit of a film obsessive and I find like I want you know once again in there I'll be just too intrusive. It works much better. If I'm just told to go stand in the place and do a certain thing for certain amount of time you know clear cut also really suspect of the music video format still so instead of me wrestling with whether it's completely corrupt or not. It's better just to like from Houston myself as a higher doctor. Islas lie a the laziest of all chip predisposed to eating off flaws. No I take that back. I'll was more like an ocean. Oh shine stuck inside. Hospital corridors my conditions in general despite what they say I think they can be good they can be art. I dislike may because of my eight still struggle around the idea of taking them seriously and there was a a good chunk of time at Velika music at least in North America where it was besides the point and then they kind of came back. So it's interesting to make them. I don't mind I don't give it too much thought but you can't. I can't get too involved on the creative end because all the come up with too many schemes I guess music videos. They sort of started in what the eighties is that when MTV came about an that tourism and Reaganism in America and it was this kind of hyper neo. Liberal Environment is reading a review of your album. Ken then you lost album that draws parallels son is static parallels between the synth. Pop sound that you had on the album. I'm the sound of that time. And then also draws political parallels this is two thousand seventeen and the nineteen eighties and uses that to explore the sense of paranoia. That comes through in the album and I wondered first of all what your reflections on that and second light given. I don't think it feels like the eighties anymore. Not Remember the eighties. It feels like something completely different but whether that sense of paranoia is growing more cute. I don't know you know goes thinking about that time mostly for personal reasons because I was thinking that just happens to be when I was a teenager. I suspected that was when my music tastes were fully formed and after that it became something else definitely draw awesome weird line between when I was rabid music van and when I was someone who is trying to write songs and make music that kind of before and after and a lot of that music is just put on the shelf for thirty years as some kind of like fraudulent decision that it was juvenile or not something serious or just part of my youth or just because it's something that I fell out of touch with but records I still high than I put them on like man. This really. This affects me in all has souvenir that I couldn't put into words and I was just wondering if it had something to do with that time that political climate and you know you always try and think about things in current terms you know like what is this record record mean here and now but all the rating for that record for instance came for the kind of like sonic concept for it. There's always kind anima pretty clear. Divide of what a bunch of writing that I'll spew out and it's quite intuitive and I don't know exactly where it comes from and it seldomly has like holds a team from beginning to end or maybe it doesn't. It's not far away from it enough yet to know what that is. So I think that stuff that you were talking about was more just like the aesthetics addicts of a certain political era more than like me drawing lines between what dread felt like then whether as like nuclear dread and what dread feels feels like now which is wholly other be. What's the process? 'cause I was just thinking about it. Then you're writing music for foams or if you're writing songs that have films in them. If you're writing in one made him for a different sense that seems like maybe there's something there's quite a weird bad connection between those two things I suppose it's a bit like being an illustrator where you don't be too literal by can imagine that being a similar sort of disconnect between texts between having this block of tax that you've written as you say is kind of intuitive and then like giving it meaning musically. Yeah what's that process like. How do you I mean is it trial and error is it like is also an intuitive thing for me? That's like the music part like the giving giving this the bare bones of the song. Some kind of form in the world is always the struggle. It's always been where the Labor is. Maybe because I'm not a natural while the words and melody. Kinda come very very intuitively almost like an physical way where I just know when I'm mumbling whether feel good about it or not and the rest is like imposing ideas and like structure on that thing that just came to you. Sometimes I feel like he nailed it and sometimes time goes by like. I don't know if that's really like the perfect form form for that song. But I mean that's part of the mystery and the fun of it. There's always been a huge disconnect in destroyer songs between my presence. And what I'm saying and the musical background think that's kind of part of what I've played with. Even though I let kind of melancholic chord structures and melodies. They tend to want to go to. I don't know like People's pleasure points that's why sometimes it gets confused for Pop music while the lyrics try and do everything they can to avoid pop music at all costs like poison. 'cause I just don't get lyric inspiration from that kind of language guage for the most part. There's always exceptions. And that's why I'm super confused about it. Still after like twenty three years that seems to kind of be expressed in the tension. The I have again between the density of the lyrics and the space of the music. How'd you think about space and music? It's changed you know it's probably been my main struggle. Look when I started off for the first many destroy albums as cramming words in there. 'cause I don't know if I felt like a lot to say but I felt like having having a rush of images that you can't spit out fast enough was part of the music and in some ways it was like very combative with the music and then there was kind of shift. I I do this one record Put a few years ago and that was kind of a conscious effort not conscious. Because I don't really know how to sit down and write something. Ah Don't make those kind of decisions that at that Ground Zero but for there to be more space for the music for the words to be less in your face and kind of more integrated degraded into what you're hearing to be something that could be played as ambiance or like in a public space or something that you could put on while eating dinner without having someone wanting to take it off because before. That was a big part of what I did. which is like you need to reckon with the voice in the words and it's not GonNa work at a dinner party or something? I haven't really gone back to making a record like that but it's interesting to see how it works. You know one of the kind of famous stories that I remember about Kaput wish that you recruited a lot of the vocal parts while you're lying down relaxed and I was just reading in the press notes for have we met that some of the lyrics were recorded kind of around the kitchen table. I I just wanted to fact. Check that bio. So when it's ask about the way that feeling of domesticity an intimacy leaches out into the music I would say kaput. We were really focused on me. Not having like four whiskies and then stepping up to the microphone and orienting a definitely before that cultivated kind of insane preacher-style and so could put basically just did scratch vocals which in the business like place holders holders that then you're going to do for real but then for the most part we just stuck with them because that was it one trick for making me sound like a relaxed normal human. Being with having met I took that one step further. And that's why it's my favorite scene that I think I've done with the new record. I just recorded all the skeletons for the songs things at home and then symptom to John Collins who produce the record and pretty much remixed everything and you know. It was me at one o'clock in the morning sitting in my living room table scene quietly into my computer usually with even the lyrics in front of me what you hear on the album is missing the songs the first or second time ever in my life friend just figuring out how they go thinking when we get a concrete idea of what the music supposed to be all Redo a later which never happened happen I think the anchors the album in a way that I wanNA keep trying to do you know. It's probably like the most poorly recorded vocals that I've ever been on a destroyer album. The really technically just bad which forced us which was a good thing to just put in San Effects on things just to make them bearable Poland. But I like how little attention paid to the vocals. Considering what I'm doing in the band is supposed to be like supposedly an integral thing I think we spent more time on with fake looking inside of a lie and the and the time of the nine. Say a favorite saw She says Dr Everywhere Smoke it's not cool to say this these days but I feel like the band has been superseding album versions of the songs for you know ten years now that sounds like I'm saying the album's crappy. They're not the good but I still mold mold fashion and I did run seven people who just blaze thanks to Dunbar and his new album as destroy titles. Have we met. We'll be out at the end of January. You're listening to the monocle weekly here on monocle. Twenty four it's time for some using now. We just heard from Dan on Behalf Aka destroyer. So why not dip into his back catalogue and head back to that twentieth album captured. This is China later. Way Too and stock into the sea zone CERTA. Before I don't care ride Campbell Goulet I can jain. That was Chinatown by destroy. 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I sat down with Philip as well as his faust Martin Eighteen Hancock to learn more about his career shift and on Earth drew him to the timeless tale of a man who sells his soul. I'm one of these few people who have to two talents. One and there was already school. One is for art and the other one for mathematics and I started out when it was ended. School wants to go to arts. That's cool failed at the first goal and then moved into business where accessories for career so art was than more than the backbone but always stay on and and then later which was busy when my kids were out of the House I started having the idea to moving back into our but it was very daunting perspective to really go all all the way even if we have president's Gauguin authors who write in on display here so one day I said to myself look. You're still relatively speaking Yung. Compared compared to you obviously but relatively young you now have to decide to either go full-time and really be serious of audits or to keep it as a hobby and I said norm. I want to go for it fulltime. That's really women passionate is and so I jumped in two thousand fifteen in left's basically everything behind end and I'm an optimist so I believe I have silla another thirty years to produce so from that point of view. I think it's still make sense to take the decision. All the the firm part was really a little bit something which grew soup organically. We never started last false. Was the idea to create a firm. The idea was to have off stage scenes with actors. And so that I could use that to do my paintings. I was a starting point and then I met an amazing. Cgi Artists who showed me. Some of his works started working with him and we developed the idea to make out of the whole photo collection. The phone was the the beginning more like the idea of having a behind the scenes and then somehow it evolved week after week after week and then we ended up at the end with a full feature each links outfit. And the 'cause you typically it does feel very theatrical you know there's a lot of artifice that you can see in at people are meant to be flying but they're suspended spend it from wise. The sets are kind of in a way that systematically maybe is not so newmont. Have you worked in theatre in our. Was it a new step few. It wasn't a new step. It was the most committed of done in the past. I've done work with the toy. Factory did a collaborative work Vancouver back years ago which was part installation. Asian path fatter. And I've done some blatantly wit films in the past which is great because obviously done a lot of commercial film and a lot of commercial TV. It's a real antidote to golf and do something that's good old fashioned out there And this was Philip. Looks like a very calm rational man but then he shows you what you actually wants to do you think okay maybe not still waters run deep. Yeah and it was very strange. I mean you mentioned that. It's a very flat set that we worked we worked on essentially a stage set that was projected acted onto as well. So there's real constraints about movement you had to treat as effective as but you're even restrained within that because you couldn't step into for projections because you screw up a lot of really good art so there were these constraints but at the same time because these constraints the freedom to make choices young. Maybe not all of them right choices but I made choices uses a different way of working in a really enjoyed it. So Philip wasn't cracking the whip choreographing it within a inch. There's an element of cracking the whip. Yes it's not all filming if you take two steps waving you just ruined a day setup. It's not completely free but at the same time Philip was an incredibly laid back. The strike is just very nice to work for. I'm not saying that he's sitting opposite me. He's just a genuinely nice person to work for. I'd like to ask about the filmmaking in a sec but I I you know I was interested in the choice of faust I mean people know it obviously in the UK and I think in Anglophone countries but I think it has a resonance in Germany Eh. It doesn't hit. Why did you sort of engaged with that story to this extent? And how did you see. It's resonance was obvious to you from the get-go if you want. I always from what I do in my art. It's always about narrative odds so it's always about message right so I I like this idea that art it needs to say something to change them saying to be vocal in society so I liked also painters like impala rigo who are illustrative narrative. If painters and I went two thousand sixteen to an exhibition of Darlene Florence where he basically did a full illustration of Dante's divine comedy in our something was wall. All that's just amazing because it's a different way of telling the story right then what you can do in writing said the idea. I want to do something similar and being half off German but having grown up the French school environment I felt always the need to learn more about also the German conscious in new false one. But I didn't really Nov false to but I said false could potentially be a book because the basic underlying Sima false right the bet with the devil on one hand get access to unlimited knowledge but selling your soul to the same time and this in the play is something we do every day in. That's very modern. Seems I said the same ms interesting and then I started reading false to discover that post to super interesting as text and then it was clear to me that this is what I wanted to do within the whole artwork on and so that was the starting point I interviewed someone recently about who don't be evil which takes a critical look at big attack and opened up with a quotation from Frankenstein. And that seems like quite a powerful pout joining between you know these huge huge figures like from Zuckerberg's or whoever and Frankenstein this idea that the munsters kind of change but do you think that faust offers just as good as metaphor aw framework through which to view our relationship with technology today. Yeah I think it's Latif houses. multiasset false is littered. The person who today in today's world would lead a Silicon Valley company in his everyday doing a better on society and as we're moving into technology is now which are becoming less and controllable. I based technologies genetic based technologies. All these are very big changing technologies. We are moving into a world where humanity is putting severed risk but why because humanities so curious that it can't stop to funday put itself at risk. You could argue. Maybe that's for the better because the planet might be quite happy about it right but there is simply this inheriting which right now is on an exponential curve because there are so many technologies are there which have devastating power very different to the parents days where there was only nuclear technology. So I think there is this aspect but there is at the same sometimes the human foulest and human false who is basically a person who aspires to knowledge but then gets pulled down into last which is also if you take for example Weinstein road. It's a person who has. Nobody had more Oscars than he heard and at the same time he was going for. Aw whatever in an ugly way of the women right so you have this tooks position. which in the person of false is kind of brought to an extreme in that makes it corrector interesting? Because he has this contradiction himself. And when you work with a corrector you'll do not identify yourself the same way as if you we're like Gary Grant and you saw want to be Gary grinds and or perfect but you you kind of look at him and you say yeah. He's somebody I need to work with the need to understand in a but still have a distance identify but I have a distance right so it's a very interesting correct workless Martin. What are your reflections on Fowzia? Kind of easy character to empathize with. It seems like there's something very depressing about this sort of inevitability of corruption that he kind of represent. Was it something that you could get on Buderus. Yeah well yes and no I mean this is which is the whole point of fast really. Yeah you very soon realizes he start digging into him that you don't want to be faust by. I mean. There are fasts out there. We've spoken about this before of the dotcom billionaires who won billions not enough. I want more. They want more they want more. They live these really strange artificial lives because they have no connection with humanity they have no connection with the everyday trials and tribulations that we all have apart from perhaps their own emotions running very very circle but even then how much of our inner circle is a genuine inner circle they become part which is perhaps what they wanted to be. Whether that's something that we should all strive for I don't think it is an ultimately fastcustomer very sad figure rather pathetic figure in the end because it's only at the end when the Marxist ideology comes forward but he starts to realize what pleasures in man man's interaction with man and that's where joy is what separates us from two neighbors. Is We interact with each. Have we bounce off each other. We have an imagination which fees number one person's imagination. We work so now. Fastest a strange one. We're all very hungry. Too much. Hunger thinks about thing. Yeah and that separation that you describe I mean this is more anecdotal. Topa isn't a Elon. Musk is convinced that we live in a computer simulated world. It seems to breed a death of empathy itself right. It's like it generates environment environment where there's this other room dealing with. Now I think more and more and more. Is it empathy the ability to empathize with other people genuinely genuinely empathize. Even if you disagree with them. That's going it's gone. We're living in a binary world of DOTS and ones Zeros. And it's showing technology is beginning to affect US rather than affect technology. Artificial intelligence is one aspect of but then there's also our emotional intelligence and I think with the coming emotionally less intelligent the more technological. We become something you kind of our with. I mean the if you want the logical evolution of everything right now is that humans and machines will emerged over time. The question is if the merger of a time that the question whether humans will at all as a race survive night because technically weekly speaking if for example people talk a lot about Ai. But everybody's vote today but there is no way I because the only thing which exists today is very fast processing computers but still binary computers Iran one. That's all they can do. Not only Google has released but the quantum computer from Google has has released itself that is now able to do for calculations in a few minutes. which the fast computer would take on a few thousand years to to do so now? We are moving into the reality of which means of learning so the question will be as the things emerging at is one dimension bio nixes. This is the other which part is now mind which one is replaced. The always was simple. It was only the tooth right now. Every part becomes replaceable. More and more and so because one element and the question is will simply humanity disappear in the network all world the network. Just illuminate humanity at at one point in time but it's very difficult to see a different more optimistic outcome of it because we're all working in this direction holiest thanks to Phillip And his film the last fast is available now on streaming services. You're listening to the Miracle Weekly for a celebration of all things sprint tune in to the stack every week on monocle twenty four featuring expert analysis the view of magazine veterans and a look. Eh Flying off newsstands around the world to stack it goes beyond the headlines to reveal the inner workings of the print industry. All paper is incredibly expensive F. and it's imported from Italy. We decided the paper is too important. It's just too important but it looks good. That is consistent. It creates the impression Shen that we've been around for very very very long time. Listen to the stack and here. Fernando Augusta Shakoor in conversation with their favorite editors and get the latest industry insights insights from our own editor in chief. Tyler brule this stack more. Go Twenty four hours weekly print industry review and analysis. Show airs every Saturday at ten. Am London in time of Your must-listen lineup life or an ITN's spotify or wherever you get your podcasts Finally today we'll continue with our explorations of the spiritual as we meet author priest and therapist. Marie Elsa Brag the Western world seems seems particularly spiritually moribund. At the moment so with Christmas coming up motorcycles Khloe Ashby sat down with Marielle said to ask more about contemporary spirituality and to learn more about her new book sleeping letters I was actually supposed to write. A different book was commissioned to write something else but when I got to silent retreat which I went onto into right because I seem to be on a scale some people are brilliant planners I m B that I'm quite an unconscious writer so onto this retreat in. It felt very strongly that this was what was gonNA come out and I was going to have to get it out get it over with and move move through it. It was the time unready what it was was just being able to processor assessor tragedy. That had happened to my family when I was six and be able to kind of look at everything I'd found and push really against my idea. Hi Dear God faith and use everything that fried gathered and and really worker. How you come through something like that? It's no accident in my father's eighteen now and I think I wanted to be able to give it to him before before he leaves. I'm sure it's GonNa ten twenty years but it was really pivotal moment. A lot of his friends are going and I just felt a real. It's a love letter really it's a plea the hearing and it's daring airing looking at my self and looking at God and saying you know. Do we have to have a fantasy to survive. This do we have to fake it to survive comey really go through the eye of the needle. I'm not interested in fantasies perch town dinner so there I went and I noticed quite early on in the memoir I am what you refer to it as a confession. Why is that what it feels confessional just being there in the retreat? It's very intimate. I didn't write it to be published. Hubbert wrote it to go through it. I'm from a very creative spiritual tradition. I'm not only did I. Train JESUITS DO sonnet retreat which uses imaginative contemplation contemplation. I'm training to being analyst which is very interested in dreams and imagination but from both sides of my family Cumbria's very creative creative and everyone knows about Ireland. Very creative spirituality boat where creative celts in Cumbria too so doing something writing or painting or walking or is kind of natural to me to my culture so I think it was that and I think it was confessing to myself as a woman what I was inherently Puerto of at a child I was eat. I don't have any choice when your child in a way but now as a woman you look back and realize you're part of things you might not have wanted to be part of love confessing that I really love them. Both it's been hard and confessing to myself that life is and that's okay. It's hard and beautiful together. That's the way it is will always be. I think just fearing kind of naked in front of God just allowing myself to fail honorably seen thirty seen in silence son has always been traditionally new people go to desert face themselves. This whatever this short life is about and wanted to turn around and face that properly truthfully and do you think it's possible today to embrace silence without the framework retreat because it seems that with so much to do and to see it would require a huge amount of self discipline much like writing and faith such a good question I folks are. I don't think you need a religious framework but you need. Some kind of a framework can have a lot of friends who are steeped in nature. For instance awesome. That's where their spirituality has cathedral top of a mountain or in Nevada with an incredible lake and of course the old Christian mystics found that as swell is not for no reason that they built their Hamid Aeges in on islands in the middle of lakes and things so for them you know going for a big pilgrimage on the fells other people of all before them following the wainwright walks or following an old paw may have been a place of Kokomo foot generations. But that doing it in their own way and and it's really the elements and the land and the landscape and the change every day that holds them if they see that as a structure and that gives them the sense silence. There are lots of ways of finding it but I think the gift is. The traditions can give is to show us that it is to be found. There is an art as a craft to it and it's something to pass on and every generation has to make it their own so it doesn't have to be the exact religious way that your grandparents did if we get to walk somehow in not track and pass it on to our children and grandchildren. Then we're allowing each each of us to build on giants shoulders. Thanks you can be so much in one life and as an author and a priest do you feel that the to feed into one in another. How do they diverge? Oh another really good question i. I'm just walking along an honest poff with whatever I do. Accompany separate amount Why wonder if writing in itself could be seen as an act of faith especially with such an honest buck for me? It's yes not to faith. Yes I would say not to face AMIS also an act of having courage to question I think thing they must be room for doubt just like in any really good poem you've got to be able to return to it many times and not understand it and space between the words and if any faith or any part is worth anything. It's going to serve you for a lifetime and be able to change with you and in that lifetime you'll come across all manner of faith Jason Doubt and regret and hope and I think that's important dogmas. Wonderful it's electric. It's an incredible. The whole Al Chemical Philosophy that we all need to have engaged with if we won't even think about once we make it static and distant and elite and not applicable to everything. That's really happening here. Then then we lose the poetry and poetry parallel. I think Speaking speaking of what's happening here so we're sitting here the day after the election in the UK. How would you describe the current state of spirituality in the country country alongside the day off the election? It's interesting it's like a whole a wind blown through the country. Is I think a lot of people are making a bid to clear the ground and I think a lot of people are making to reclaim their identity and that place. In the country and that tradition spirituality at the moment is very interesting. I mean obviously there the very strong evangelical movement. That's but I think I work with a lot of people who are exploring but that's really interesting. Creative spurt tragic coming out beginning to come out in literature like McMahon Robinson you know and in poetry you have those World David Arson and with his fire songs. Things and Michael Simmons with his solter and you have really interesting people who are distant enough from it to be able to be creative with it again. Then there's is really interesting movement Distinction Rebecca movements without for a second to my mind. They remind me of their kind of Christian Socialists. In the early nineteen hundreds treads who are really kind of built a whole new world of Community and equality and a lot of people I know in the extinction berry movement have a real sense solve spirituality and legacy overview trying to change the way that we do things a real sense of building community. These are things. Things that spirituality can give us a sense of overview whatever method it is and I meet a lot of people who've explored shamanism for instance. That's a very big thing at the moment you know. They're fun exploring with Oscar or doing enormous Giannis imaginative journeys and and then I meet them for spiritual should direction and you know they want to understand how effectiveness Iky or what these experiences are and how to integrate them. And I think there are a lot of people you really want to find something on untrue and creative and I think that's a wonderful thing the danger of course is that if you don't have a body of knowledge adjust how to hold it in a really good healthy way and integrate at all. Then you can be lost picking and choosing and having the different highs and actually Lee suddenly find yourself stranded which I come across a lot so I'm not saying that there's one way to deal with it but I am saying that from my perspective Jeff New might say I have to say this my perspective we are. There's a goal psychological and spiritual beings and each of us must be on it and taken seriously and in each part of living there is a a craft and there are generations of teachings chinks to be passed on to everyone of how to hold that and how to grow with that and be part of Amana community growing with them so so returning to your craft as an author. The book is like collage. It's piece together. With prose poetry religious religious rituals latter's. I'm curious whether you sat down and wrote it from start to finish all whether the style enabled she to dip in and out that in a on a week for now bit by bit day by day with Ukrist onto on it retreats except for the our poems which came off at the second retreat. I was walking in the mountains in France. I was feeling like I. I didn't know how to to be with a silence after the Eucharist and All The Times that I've spent in Monasteries nunneries something. The House of prayer came through and they all came through quite quickly but it was interesting because when I lost my publishes for an extension for the book I was asked to write and and I said I've been writing but and I said I will show us what you're writing so that we can see why you're doing and you can have the great when when we sat round the table and I said actually really liked to publish it. Do you think you could say that. Because it's so you know my heart and soul is completely Leonardo's every ounce of love and so on that I have to give to my parents or to get through what I was writing most definitely that I thought for a moment. Well should I separate out the poetry and the pros and how that would dissuade. It is and the Eucharist you. Chris came in like that to hold me. I think the me I don't gotta be able to get through it without having a sense an intricate sense of the ritual of the you. Chris the Doing of it somehow that bringing it down to us something. So mystical bringing it down to earth and being able to go go through that alongside excite me with a real companion. The election result has shown that social faultlines Nikkei might run deeper. They've appeared and it's a pattern. We see repeated abroad road as well. Coach doubtedly Baz part of the responsibility for this. Do you think creative spirituality can bridge the gaps that have opened up to society. I think it's really important. Let's make a bid for authentic writing. I think there's a creative. Hey Tim Movement afoot let people right what they really feel that culture come back to life. Let's write about authentic leadership about what deep deep down. That's counter the culture. Let's take away celebrity and look at what is deeper inside a person and ask that person to not not lied on their own but lead alongside everyone else let people right saying paint and say that all of these are equal cool languages and always have been equal languages when we build a culture that honors us on that we're proud of. I think that there's a real chance aunts here. There's a real movement here and if we allow this creativity which is what we're saying is what allows a sense of space to accept everybody. Then maybe what we're seeing today. Is the ground rumbling for a real renewal and maybe we'll do that in our own in different ways and join accepting different tights and different creativity along the way thanks to clary. Ashby and Marie Bragging Morales. This is book sleeping. Letters is out. Now you're with the Monaco weekly. Just burn that was great and you enjoy that. It's nice to be back in the a studio while I'm with you on a Sunday indeed. There's no better way to spend one Sunday lunchtime. Forget your family. You want to be the weekly. I must say or after that program I feel you can only describe a feeling of spirit. Enlightenment May to man. I can't wait for Christmas. I'm looking forward to seeing some cows even more than I had been previously. which was has a law? Actually good. I'm glad to I'm also glad tidings brought by the people behind the glass or yourself producer of the show of course and our studio manager mainly Evans back at the same time next week for more festive chair and seasonal frolics. So do be sure to tune in for that but for now it's goodbye from me. Augustine much Kalari and from 800-meter wits. Goodbye thanks for listening.

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Minisode 34 | Special Guest: Elsa Charretier!

I Read Comic Book

54:58 min | 1 year ago

Minisode 34 | Special Guest: Elsa Charretier!

"This. Podcast I'm your host Mike Rapin and with me this week for this very special mini sewed are two of our regular folks and one very special guest this week on the show. I Have Elsa, Chardonnay. Hey thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. and. I also have cure share, Gorski, hey, and Paul, Jason Hello thank you both and thank. You should say. Thank you all three of you for joining me this week. This week we are here to talk to to Elsa about all the fantastic thing. She has going forward including her new book that came out as well as the book November. She's working on with Matt Fraction, so. For the folks may be that. Don't know some of your fantastic work. Could you tell us a little bit about yourself? Shown on so I'm minorities. I ride as well but primarily artists. I've been working in comics for about seven years. I started out with the some license for I work at DC Marvel. I did, some creator owned work as well. And some towers I been doing some showers in his tastic end. For the past couple of years I cannot left licensed comics to focus more on their own. And that's where I am right now more on November as you as you mentioned earlier with met section and it's a it's a series of graphic novels. And we have done the first one came out. The second one is about to come out and has been pretty much my whole life for about a year and a half. so yeah, that's that's about it. Fantastic I was very lucky enough to have a copy of your book meal to me which thank you so much for that? It's a fantastic huge book. That I found myself just staring at for very long time has each page just this massive wonderful series of images I guess. How could you tell us a little bit about how that are? Book came together. Yeah. Sure. It's pretty. It was. It was not not planned. Kinda stupid. I heard my drawing hand. A few months back. in about A. Tober and I couldn't draw for few weeks. And instead of taking vacation I got bored, really really fast and decided I wanted to learn graphic design and in design I. Want It. You know I thought it would be nice tool to. Knew how to use and so I started you know all just put together a quick sketchbook Ju- factors, and then the scheduled turned into a notebook in the book. TURNAGE kickstarter campaign in, so it's GonNa Snowball Noble from there, but that's the starting point was I I heard my hands, and I wanted something to do. An got. Gotcha, will. This book is crammed with with incredible pieces of our as well as like. Some little I. DON'T WANNA. Say narrative pieces, but like learning pieces in some like. Crater notes that come with it It's broken down into four little sections of commissions, second pieces from November pieces from Star Wars and then various covers How did you go about choosing what pieces you wanted to include in this book? Well. It's pretty simple is the one that I didn't feel too shame to share? The, ones I was still kind of happy. After a time, it had passed. That's pretty much. How the selection process happened and The narrative pieces that you talked about I don't feel. Confident enough to do a whole book about how to draw because I'm still learning and I don't think. I've listened to give anyone, but I I knew that people are interested about knowing about. Artists stresses in how we do. Things may be. We do it It's not the ideal way of doing it, but that's how we make him work for. US until I wanted to share that how I go about creating a cover over working on a page or you know an older kind of thought stat go. Into my head while I'm thinking about a piece. So, I, think it was I was at I'm interested about that with other artists are designed fans offs. And I thought maybe I could share if people are interested in a interns up. People are interested by all things you know. Again of give readers window into understanding how comic artists work. Of what we do, sounds seems to be like Voodoo for most people. There is the logic behind it. So I wanted to show that. Yeah, it's it's a fantastic book I feel very lucky to have a copy on the kickstarter that you did was massively successful. At least you know in terms of the amount of money that was pledged versus your initial goal, so congratulations on that I know that was a little bit ago, but I hope to see volume to. I guess that's that's all I'm saying. You Know I. Just need some time to to work on enough stuff that I that I comfortable enough to share so that's not tomorrow you know. Definitely, it's been a really nice experience indicates starter has been. Hugely successful lot more than I was expecting I was. Just hoping to get funded. Any turned out that I got a lot of support and It was very nice journey, not only the putting the book together, but the whole campaign was really really fun n putting the book together after that and getting to interact with readers and getting their feedback when they received the Bokan. It's really that sense of community that we don't often get as comic book artists because work alone I really appreciated that and. It made me think that it's never knew I'd like to explore more and more getting that direct interaction with readers definitely yeah I I think kickstart is a great way to do that as well as. I would just say kick starter I think that's the easiest way to do. But Paul Care. If you guys want to jump in I, mean feel free. Yeah I have a question It's funny I. The First Work of yours I read was November the first volume, and I really loved it as very striking visually and I, just really enjoyed the art style, and when I went back to read the first five infinite loop I was struck how different being the art was on that earlier book, so I'm curious what changed for you with your approach to art or their artists that you were influenced by deter of change your style to what you're doing now, November! A lot of it is is not really conscious. I guess grew up first of all I was really young did finish look as I was twenty five. I think and I'm almost thirty do now. So you know it's? It's a big difference in the life in my interest has the change or evolved in the things that I like evolved, and of course, all of that has insurance on my work. So that's the first thing and also is just you know practice when we did invented. Look every page. Was You know mountain that I didn't know whether or not accrued Klein I was learning the basics and to. Tell the story You know efficiently and how to draw. anatomy facial anatomy. All of that was really reading you since it was our first professional book. In for November now that I'm more comfortable with. Just, the drawing part the anatomy part in. All that stuff I feel like I can focus a bit more on style in explore more style. Enshrine using as well. I guess all that is the combination of factors. Yeah Yeah I think it's interesting because you right away though the artwork on November looks simpler, but. It's more complex. There's more nuance to it in the storytelling was really struck by that so that that balance between that those two the simplicity our yet the sort of depth of storytelling you're able to do. Well thank you. I appreciate that in a lot of what I'm trying to to tend to end end nuke fora is simplify now. It's something that I used to have a hard time. Understanding more is not better with art. And I guess a part of it is is that I was feeling maybe. A bit of a fraud and I would add lines to you know I did my work, but just you know. What I could to add as many as possible and. It takes time to really kind of understand in an Anderson how to apply that less lines. Is Better. But, you know you know the theory, but the actual act of putting into practice takes so long. It's a it's. It's really slow process and the process that. You. Don't have is in artists, Too Much your brain. Does that staff in the background. Your brain figures out that stuff, but it's so little. That is conscious. You just have to wait until your brain his ready to communicate with your head. Yeah. It's frustrating, but it's also part of. It's part of the phone. So while binge reading a lot of your work in preparation for this show like a November infinite loop in some of your star wars pieces. I. was struck by how a recurring theme for the female characters that. you illustrate or right seems to be that. Like you're letting them be tired. And I know this sounds like really simple, but I think with so many of female characters, especially the ones that are drawn in a very feminine style The way. You draw a lot of yours, they they have to be like. Perfect in some way or like accommodating of others, I feel like the through line for your female characters is that? They're given moments where they're allowed to be tired. They're allowed to be tempted to give up. And then they just don't and I'm not trying to overreach here, but I sensed a little bit of a maybe a parallel with your journey of becoming an artist. Maturing if you drew on personal experience with those. I most of the characters I've worked, I am I? Have not written so I don't know why I guess you know when I on the infinite loop I worked with genetic partner and. He knows me in He. He is attracted to certain types of female characters that are a bit more true to life and true to what actually women can be than the traditional in character we. Re used to seeing comics. In that less so now Adam Why exactly Work on on characters that out like that. I don't know if it's me that. Choose those stories or the writers that I. Work With that. Come to me with the scanner stories, but it's true. There is a I do feel attracted to characters that You, know start. Fights in hard fights in lung roads. And they get tired. There are humane and. It's a rhetoric theme, right? On a on a more. I guess superficial level something to to me. That I I notice in a lot of your work is your female characters tend to have short dark manicures? So I'm wondering if this is also your personal aesthetic, or this is just a look that you like for the comics that you draw. In my hands right now. I. Don't have Nail Polish. Because I can't because of new original art and. But Yeah I guess it's my personal style. And for like know most of the women. Especially in action stories, there's IT'S I. Don't see how you could do adventure stuff with long nails it's. It's since that way to me and also the characters in November I. Really don't see them growing long nails. Maybe press on. Though maybe they were pressing. It's a nation of the characters that I work on personal preference. I guess speaking of November I actually had a question about the The colors in the book I know Matt Hawksworth did the color work on the on the book, but I was really curious. there seems to be such a synchronicity between the art and the coloring. I wondered how that process went. Did you collaborate on the color, Palette? He had mind before you handed the artwork off for? These you trust his instincts. I'm curious what that process was. Trusted him a hundred percent One thing that we create our own is that you get to choose the people that you're gonNA collaborate with. and. had been a huge fan of his work for rural time in was a chance for me to work with him, and also I've felt like November had to be you know with a story that is so. The killer. The the rhythm in the storytelling is. Unique and Artists simplified as well in. We needed something that would match that that would be as powerful, but in a simplistic way you know. And I felt like Matt would be the perfect. Person for it and and so we gave him the initial initial. Inferences that we had so that story. That was Batman. You're one. Measure Kelly's hookah, and that you know that sort of colors that are you know flats, but also be pop at some points in can have. originally unique in not what you would expect from Abedin's story in so that the only thing that we told him is that's it flats and something. That would. Be could be cousin of budget you're. Asked. And he came up with the color. PALETTES active never. Come up with the Palette steady, he picked. It's just the most. regional end out of the box coloring. It's really special and I just win over some colors for volume three. Innocent credible. How can manage with solar callers because pilots are really restricted? Can come up with variants of that same color scheme and it's. Incredible. It's really Something that is. And so he knows how to do his own for. Sure sure. Well Yeah. It's a very striking that that's funny. You mentioned Batman your once I reread that I can definitely see that connection the influence. That's interesting. And it's interesting how he sort of took that in modern. Is it not that it needed to be more denies, but you know. He came up with A. a new version of wet. Your one could have been. And that's perfect ended subsequently. It's something that I. Hadn't I hadn't bittered the colors that way at all. But it's what the star needed and It's interesting because one thing that I told him in that she did not listen to I'm glad that he didn't was. I wanted the inks to be black. And there is in the single INC that is not colored the book. All. End It's beautiful. It's perfect. So. You. Say the only thing i. told him she didn't listen to It's good that he didn't. Yeah, I guess when you trust your collaborators to that level I guess it pays off so now at. Of course in you surround yourself with people that you trust trust a hundred percent. And that's what we did for November? The every member of the team is. Supremely talented, and there's really nothing to say when the turn pages in. Yeah reading reading that book really like the momentum as you're reading. It I almost couldn't put it down like felt like I was just rolling on a boulder down a hill It's really fantastic and I was curious to know writing. You know working on a book like this. How does that compare to working on? A single issue stories like the infinite loop or super freaks or something like that. That's like you know very compact down to like twenty two twenty two pages on versus this seventy eight ish kind of is close to bondage, and they length style graphic novel. We get more time. Okay. Not Not to book. Sorry, but just tell the story. There is more room to make his seeing lasts in. Have character extensions that we have to cut short for a monthly comics. And as an artist WHO's really into body, language and. Facial expressions it's golden to me to be able to. see assume through. It's a luxury and I love it. Yeah I, really like the the. Breathing Room. You get to actually have extra panels or even extra pages to kind of make sure that a a specific emotion or a specific thing is evoked throughout the book. I mean I was I was just skimming through it before we started recording today, and it's just like Oh. Man, there's just there's an emphasis on a lot of different emotions, and I think you really couldn't get that with a single issue book or like a month to month books. Yeah, and on a on a month among book you'd have something to have to spell out. because. Otherwise you get to the twenty four pages and nothing happened. Nothing has happened so but on the graphic novel format this big. He, you know the lines are taken out. And, it's the paneling in the characters. Acting with each other their looks and how they're their poster know that tells the story a lot more responsibility to me well because there is no light to save. What's at stake in the scene? If I mess up to don't get it. So, it's it's different I. Love both different. So you have a actually a bit of an acting background and the way you've been describing how you approach these scenes, it sounds like you are maybe Pulling from some of that experience to help bring expression to the characters that you draw absolutely, and it's probably why. Went into acting in the first place. I didn't realize that a at that time, but I think that's that was what attracted me. Was the body language and. End It's you know I. Spend a lot of your strength to break into acting. Ns failed miserably, and it's a kind of good and now for me to know that okay olas years weren't lost. I learned some stuff that I'm putting to use now. And I guess. On that note as any anything that we could, we could find you into watch or. Just. Saying I spent seven years in casting. Oh my God. Oh, that certain stuff! And I did nothing and. And that's good, because now it would have you know stuff on the Internet. Nobody nothing right so that's good. Or other. Are there any movies or TV shows or anything like that that you particularly pull from like if you're trying to study like a specific style or specific emotion that someone is evoking with their body or with their face? Is there like a Goto? Movie or TV? Show that you think about when you wanna like really kind of hone in on something or do you I? Don't know if you use references like that at all. No I. Usually don't because gesture comes naturally to me and I I tend to have. facilities. It's easy for me to to see a thing. Play Out! With gesture. So I tried to focus on what I have in mind, but I study movies and. for composition. Multiple! And for Black and white balance. but I studied compositions in in in watching movies, of course, because there are so many. directors cinematographers that. Are, that have unique styles that we need to learn from. Lee I re watched Seven Samurai. Oh Nice and all the cures are. Movies are incredible, but you know the the composition i. It's. Flawless. So I try like every artist traditional lead into my work. Somehow. I'm looking forward to Your Samurai based comic. That's GONNA come out after this November series. I noticed while. Looking at your your twitter feed in particular that you do a lot of like re tweets in sharing of the work of other artists that you admire and I was wondering if you wanted to direct the attention of our listeners to any particular artists that we may be, don't pay as much attention to as we all should. WHO No grabbed. Dot with that one. Your own love at. As always when I'm asked questions like that I'm blanking. But. I I adore, but I guess he's not unknown is very famous, so you know not. Discovering anything but Michael namings work. has infringed. So. He's one of the people that are not got to and. Tried to. Understand how we? Can make these beautiful faces i. I had love. Vanessa del Rey's work. Yes. She's own n lately. And I I told him many many times hope I'm not entering his name, but matches Gara. Hope I'm saying that right I think he's working on laser right now and again not exact for if it's the book, Islam, but he is in incredible incredible artists He's working on Khuda. The same in spurrier. Yes. Okay. I knew that name from somewhere I could not always it is absolutely incredible. He does does a watercolor commissions that are mindblowing and I told him I tweeted. A couple of days ago, that every time one of his PC's unlike I need to learn what color which is whatever he's doing. It's it's insane. And then I remembered that it has nothing to do with watercolors. He's just so good. and. You can't you can't buy that, but yeah I've been. In Office for recently. Just in terms of mediums that you work in, do you typically do all of your work digitally, or is there a physical pencilling and inking that you use or does it vary book? Okay, so the infant look I did a hundred percent on paper. Then I got a scene. Teak and I worked. A hundred percent digital for five years. Because it helped me. Try New things without being afraid of messing up the page and having to start starter, so in that sense of was fantastic learning tool. I was born to explore. Experiment led more than on paper. But when we started November I decided that I wanted to ink on paper again. Because mijvel inking and it's not true for all digital in King. But the way I did, it was bid to clean. Very animated and that worked for some of the stuff that I worked on, but for November we need something. That was a bit more greedy in more, too. So, I went back to inking on paper. and. My goal has been to be back a paper hundred percent so I'm. For the past couple of weeks have been doing a makes pencils than than ice can might pages and I touched them up in that print them in blue ink on paper. So. My goal is to come back to paper a hundred percent so I'm in the process of that. Gotcha Gotcha. It's a journey. Know! That's really interesting because I think like there's like like you said there's a lot that you can do digitally. I think you know I followed plenty of creators who swear by their that they're like I love the ability to undo and stuff, but then you lose like you said that the tooth of the the the the in some cases imperfections that create this very unique style that you can't really get on in digital form because in the digital form you can perfect everything whereas on paper if it sits. That's pretty much where it is unless you get really aggressive with Whiteout, right? Yes. That's part of why I wanted to move back to to. Traditional work! Also Working on screen all day is terbal for my eyes were contacts and Mike Mike is by the end of the day are dead. So I would like to be able to see until you know. I'm old snow. But of the reason behind that is trying to preserve my site as well. gotcha understandable. I say that someone who sits in front of a computer probably twelve to sixteen hours a day, but yeah I get it. Totally get that. And there is There's something about working straight on paper. That is a bit more calming for me at least working on a computer. Are. Out of both. There's no twitter notifications on a piece of paper. That's the thing, right. I have no. A downloaded this like item for social media's, and after ten minutes of social media on my computer cannot access it at all in my phone out. Not Distracted, by social media. Very good, that's that's probably something we all need. I don't know aggravated work Today's in have some free times. Rather than doing the same metalwork in snow twelve hours instead of nine because they've been on twitter. Right. Do at this point because you do. Have so much work coming your way when you're drawing. Are you really putting all of your physical and emotional energy into drying things that you are working on for a project, or do you find yourself just doodling in your spare time and drawing for yourself to try March doodle? I've always been. A. You know a shame by the fact that I didn't I never had kids book I never got into the habit of of working on the doodle sketchbook. kind of make me feel like the fraud because all the good artists do that. And but also I think it was because it was working too much, and by the end of the day of like. I I'd like to do something other than drawing. so I never found the time or the the the will really to keep one, but I've been working shoulder. Hours for the past six month. Voluntarily I want to live more life instead of work for all the time and naturally the sketchbook thing is easier now and I want to. You know thicken and dude things in the weekend during the weekend or the evening in the. In a way I'm doing things in reverse I'm enjoying and starting to enjoy drawing for myself just now. because. I I started working professionally. really fast really early. and. worked. Hours six days a week for about five years. And Only now I feel i. think my career is going okay. I can maybe relax take more time and you know. The last crazy about working that much. Many comic book fans when they're talking to creators, their number, one question seems to be. How do you break into comics and the answer is inevitably make comics and I feeling. You're kind of like in a pit me of that because it, it sounds like you. decided to try being an artist, and then just really devoted yourself to to learning that craft, and like you said drying all these crazy hours and. just doing it. Oh, yeah, so to go back, bid on on what happened between my acting in my comex career. She will so I give on acting. was going nowhere, and it was making me miserable miserable. When I was about twenty four, and they had no formal education. LS cool when I was barely seventeen. And a digital. What to do you know I I knew that. I wanted to noticed, but you know that's as a statement. That's GONNA ridiculous because they. Have No. Skills whatsoever. So I had all that You know energy of wanting to be an artist, but new medium to work on and so I, discovered comics might partner. Helps me discover comics and. He was writing. You wanted to be a writer for TV shows at that time. Any he kind of transitions into into comics. and. He offered me to come on board and I started drying in. You know. We started working together in reproduced our first book, and and that's how it happened so. Not only did I? Have you know more time to lose? Because it started drawing when I was twenty four? and also finally something I loved. Doing so. Once I knew that I just worked for Until it was okay enough to show my work to. Editors so like you said. How do you break into comics whether you've been cool for it or whether you haven't whether you discover comics when you were king, or when you're thirty, it's the same you gotta make. GonNa make comics. To break into comics. It's it sounds so obvious, but I think a lot of a lot of people have this mental block over it where they're just like. Oh, but but I'm not as great as the people who are drying and therefore like how do how do I get that? It really is just keep keep doing it. Keep practicing, yeah and end. You know. There's this thing we're always looking for the magic formula the answer to all. The problems of the must be something that you you you did. Know Really. Just work for for Some of US are lucky enough to make a living habits and. In others don't. And that's you know there's lock also that goes into into that. but definitely put in the work. We must inevitably approach star wars now. His third word stuff fresh fresh. I know I've been good. I actually watched rise of Skywalker last night, so it was really refreshing to go from that to reading. Your Prince, last story and cleansing my palate a little bit A. Am, I right that you have a cat named pad may accurate yeah. Oh. We made Agni because we found her when we were working doing the king story. So Oh. I thought you were going to say because she was an angel or or something. Okay, Up One day at the door, and she was secured, and she's just stayed there staring at US Idaho home, so. We gave her home in. Be Named Academy. Oh Man, so so of all. The so with all the Star Wars characters in stories that you've drawn like is this. Like a like a universe that you really enjoy diving into, and if you could do any star, wars, story or character, what's your dream one to do? Okay, so I should come forward and say that. I only which stores for the first time when I started working on Star Wars. We all got start sometime. So I love sours, but I'm not fluent. Stoppers That's okay. There's a lot of things that I. Don't know what's the worst, but what I do I love so I could. Working on Star Wars. Visually the universe for me. Is Incredible and I always find myself. catching sours characters or costume so because there's something about. The design and the atmosphere that just appeals to meet Your v very natural that balance between Sifi in dirty-grey stuff. That's that's not all white and all perfect. That's something that I. Really Love about this hour's universe. but Asked to if there's something that I would. Or character that would love to to draw. Tell the story I don't have one specific that that you know I'm dying to work on. First of all because I can make any characters won't work. If the stories couldn't have. So No, there isn't anything that I'm thinking. Oh, I need to know. This is my bucket list. On my bucket list. For example I didn't know duct to Afra- much. Will that much? When I was offered the annual? In! I loved working on that book because this story was fantastic. and I got to draw something a lot of things that felt very star wars to me. I got the you know they can tunein. was though is fantastic. But no anything sours works for me. I actually I actually think that is a wonderful. Perspective to be coming in with at anything. You can kind of make it work because with with properties like Star Wars, where there is so much history so much material written about it. I think it can be really easy to kind of get caught up in that in SEO will I I can't do this with this character because it's never been done before, and I don't want to upset the cannon so I think like your your. Princess Leia story in particular struck me because she's just lying in the snow on Hof and she's just there. You don't ever released the Princess Leia having a moment where she's like God this is just a lot. And Really just enjoyed that moment, and so you Explaining. Where you are in star, wars that make sense to me, because I'm like who if someone? Like went into making a story like that, and they had grown up on star wars, and they knew like all these things about star wars. Would they necessarily have made layer just like lights out in the snow, having a pity party, probably not but I really liked the. Works. That probably extends for that from knowing enough to be able to tell our story. But not too much that we feel. Self What's the word I'm looking for? Like self censoring exactly. Yeah. and also. I should say that Lucasfilm's very very open to you know stories that are different in that are star wars, but stories that are. I've never been told or not. In that way and they always encouraged us. When you when you mentioned the layer story forces of destiny. We knew from the beginning because the creative director Michael. told us go crazy. Do do some crazy stuff. The storytelling and we'll back you up and this what we want because he'd offs comics really loves comics and in love that it's a medium that AUM. Offers. A different way of telling stories and a very unique way, and so he told us take advantage of that. and. That was very important for us to hear that because sometimes we will. You. Know you think when you working on such a big property? Yussef unser in storytelling and say all. Maybe they won't go for that if we do this sort of paneling because you know, they want kids to understand and. All that stuff. That is very restricting and most of the time untrue because kids understand more than we think. and so knowing that in having you that blessing from him was a huge help because we went all out. And they didn't. They didn't make exchange anything on storytelling. And that's. Why maybe it appealed to adults as well. Because it's a daring in the storytelling is a bit different. and. It works for kids as well. It's easy enough that it can't can understand it, and it's You know maybe inventive enough to keep people adults. Interested. But that's. What we win for anyway if it lands, but that's what we're in for. I liked it. Thank you. That's interesting because I feel that you're doing some some some experimental or unusual storytelling in new ways well, though the way the narrative plays out net book it feels. Quite different from a lot of comics, so is that something you're trying to do in your work is play with the storytelling the narrative in the rhythm of the story. yes, but also on November. It's all met. The script is very very. Precise, not the panel per se because the very the panel description, sorry of very sick sent. It's very just discourages doing that. But the paneling in the rhythm, and how it panel plays with another one and. There is a beat happening. Go back to the book and look at the pages and told me recently that there is a bit happening every three panel. And okay. I didn't know that what what I when I drew it and I went back to the book like Oh my God totally right and this creates really a particular rhythm to the book, so that's all him, but yeah when I do my own storytelling. my own tunneling. I pay attention to that, too, because it's a huge part of. Why coming saw interesting. It isn't doing something insane. Or you know, break up, borders or could be simple. If you think through. Now that you're starting to a do a little more writing. When you're. Thinking about the story as as a whole how is that being influenced by all of your? As an artist looking at the scripts from other writers. How you mean how I how is it different when work with other writers whereas when I written my own? Is that when you are you feeling? those okay. I realized as I said that question that it kind of ran away from me I. Guess Because you started as an artist. And are now doing some writing do like. How did your work as an artist? influence how you right? I don't think it has. I'm not aware of it. It probably has. The I don't. It's not conscious on on me. I duNno I because I. Get a script in mets script very different than the scripts that I call right because I. Never Right Alumni only correct with my partner. so I approached them very differently just because they're. told very differently, but I don't know if me working as a writer as infants that all that much maybe. I I wasn't sure because I. Might Art Skills are negligible so I always try to think like okay. If I was like coming from this with experience as having a taken someone else's words, and brought them to life on the page with that be a reverse process, I guess it would depend on the person I'm. Just trying to unpack things a little. Yeah, it's permanently true for for artists. Also write their own work as well like working with the other writers. mad. I should say I. Consider myself a lot more in artists than writer. Yeah I don't I. Don't think it has infants me that much. Maybe if I worked with writers that weren't very good maybe. You tend to see. Maybe that doesn't work quite well, but you know working with met I mean. There's. Nothing nothing to say. It's. Good to hear. Well I. Guess You know we're. We're kind of running out of tape here. So I have one final question that actually comes from one of our listeners. Who knew that we were going to be doing this episode You have big section of your art book that is full of commissions, and the question is. Is there a specific character that you get asked for commissions? The most and I guess the follow up to that would be. Is there a character that you prefer to draw, or you like to draw more for commissions and things like that? I'm having. Really really hard time on. Spiderman? Okay don't know why it's just. It's really hard for me to trust vitamin. but I am I'm happy with people coming with this request. Because that way I can improve the discourage really hard for me. In terms of. What I prefer Again it's not not specific characters because I didn't grew up. Reading Comics, so I never developed you know specific fandom for specific character I loved them because of their. Potential visual. Possibilities. Potential. and. I've noticed something interesting. How might have? has made carriers volt and end has am working on more gritty books. The characters requests the commission regrets that I got recently a very different from the one that I maybe had a couple years ago. I have more male characters. I used to have exclusive. Exclusively female characters, the that was interesting to see that readers. Now can now. Project mice tile two male characters as well. So that's that's. And I got a few a request from movies characters from his. Own, interesting, yes, and I. I love that so much that I'm thinking of opening lists lucidly for movie commissions because that's grade. It's you know you watch a movie in. I guess like you would do. A cover or anything you know synthesize. What made that movie? What it is in making your own? I found the process really interesting because you know, commissions can be away as an artist to just make a few more box, but when I used to him I said in the past like that. And he didn't. He didn't filled very fulfilling. I felt like I was doing okay. I'm doing this not for the money. But that was the main drive behind it and. I need to have more fun with US I need to. To you know explore. And so I started seeing commissions as a way to try different things and see worked or not. and. I left commissions now specifically because of that, so it's not very much about which character but more about. How I can do something. Interesting in visually different with that character Gotcha well I will be definitely reaching out to get a very curvy excited John Wick of that's gritty, that also very voluptuous. There's something. Just mix up the whole style, please. well I guess. Care Paul I. Don't know if you have any last. Quick questions that you to throw out wanted to make sure we wrap up before we literally run out of tape. Now just I am so excited that you came on the show. Talk to us because I absolutely love your work. I've been trying so hard to not fan girl this whole time. Please keep making awesome things so I can keep reading them. Thank you so much, thank you. Can we go back and reread November now to with this this background this knowledge here then anxiously waiting the second volume, so thank you thank you so much. Yeah I think that I think the second volume according to images website is supposed to be out on June. Third suggesting time for folks to listen to this episode and then immediately go grab their coffee, but. So I guess to wrap everything up here. Also working people find you on the Internet. And what other books should they look out for other than November that's that's got your name on it and so. On twitter and instagram but ice meaning witter. What are the books I've done? A lot of creator owned books so besides November super. FREAKS is a book. That I've that. I that I could wrote for come. excelleage originals end infinite loop, which was offers book. End Is very dear to me style. and. That's. Things I that I worked on. In addition to star wars all. Right right it just that little known as star, Wars. Well very cool! Thank you so much for being on the show? We really appreciate it. This is such an amazing conversation. I have a whole like slew of questions about Super Freaks in college originals that we didn't get through, so maybe we'll have to. Have you come back after volume. Two is out maybe when you get that next kickstarter Maybe we'll come. We'll have a conversation about that, but that's the way in the. The future who knows yeah but yeah, I guess you can. You can follow us all on twitter. You can fall care at carrier s Sam you can follow Paul at Ohio. polly and you can follow me at Mike rapin show at Iowa. 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All Washington state counties will move to phase 3 of reopening on March 22, Gov. Inslee says

KUOW Newsroom

01:08 min | 3 months ago

All Washington state counties will move to phase 3 of reopening on March 22, Gov. Inslee says

"Governor jay inslee has announced that the entire state will advance to a phase three reopening on march twenty second. Kyw's austin jenkins has details on how it will work right now. Washington's eight regions are in face to restaurants and other businesses can operate at twenty five percent starting march twenty second the state will revert to a county by county. Approach and all counties will advance to face three. That means fifty percent capacity. Plus sports stadiums will be able to welcome back fans at twenty five percent capacity. What this means is an opening day we will be seen. Take you out to the ball game and we will be going to the ball. Game with the mariners and other against nc elsa says high school graduations and other gatherings will be allowed with up to four hundred people. Depending on the size of the venue and selena's masks and social distancing are enforced high touch youth activities like basketball wrestling and cheerleading. Also be allowed in. He says this is possible because covid nineteen case counts are down and vaccinations are going well. But he cautions that if county see arising cases. A return to face to could happen. I'm austin jenkins in olympia.

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224 - Viktor Frankl/2020 Year End Recap

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

2:23:45 hr | 5 months ago

224 - Viktor Frankl/2020 Year End Recap

"Viktor frankl the founder of local therapy. Avena psychiatrists who who basically psychological philosophy in happiness being rooted in a life full of meaning very simple very powerful and he almost didn't live long enough to write some very important books including one of my favorite books of ever man's search for meaning. The jewish doctor had just opened his first psychiatric practice. When the nazis stomped into vienna and turn the city that was his lifelong home into a nightmare for he his family and fellow jews soon he almost everyone he'd ever known were deported to various death camps and almost everyone he knew. We're dead by the war's conclusion. Victor lived barely any return to vienna. Hear only more horrible news and then instead of giving up which would have been pretty easy to do. I think he dug deep found. A new will not just to to live survive but to thrive and inspire others to do the same to find meaning in your life no matter how hard it may appear at first to be able to do so. In present circumstances. I find the story of victor's life and psychological school of thought he. He founded to be incredibly inspiring. It's helped me get through some dark times for sure. I hope we can help you do the same continuing little inspirational end of the year. Tradition here on time suck also included a recap of the strange year. That was two thousand twenty if this is your first time listening. This is not a typical episode. Hope you enjoyed. Let's hop in. Let's find some light in the darkness. Some hope amid so much pain in a in a victor can overcome what he overcame. You can overcome whatever the fuck you need to overcome addition of time suck. This is michael mcdonald. And you're listening to time. Suck happy monday. Matak a welcome to the end of the cult of the curious. Two thousand twenty last suck the year he'll nimrod hill fina praise moguls ensued. Me triple a. To my ear to smile on my face. I'm dan commensal suck master nimrods. Proctology st- levinas personal masseuse bojangles. Groomer triple m's vogel coach and you're listening to time. Suck happy new year may twenty twenty one bring a refreshing change for you compared to twenty twenty unless you love twenty twenty. Then you know. I guess i hope it you know goes just as well for you but maybe better for a lot of other people No announced today just a lot of show. This one is dedicated to my grandfather Ward hall man. Who really was more of a father to me than a grandfather. A man who would have been joy. Today's tale probably some of the kersee and some of the weird dark references but overall you would have liked it. Allow me to introduce to you. Viktor frankl no context really lay out today. I just waiting to hear a story. You hope before we recap the year gonna jump into a timeline line of viktor. Frankl's live see what he overcame then discuss how future and hope and meaning based logo therapy is the system. I've leaned on continually find meaning in my life Definitely help shape my approach to this podcast. it's based in three primary tenants. The first is life has meaning under circumstances. Even the most miserable ones and to our main motivation for living is our will to find meaning in life say the word meaning ton day And three we have freedom to find meaning in what we do and what we experience or at least in the stance with take when faced with a situation of unchangeable. Suffering and viktor frankl. He sheriff shit knew a thing or two about finding himself in a situation of unchangeable suffering. Let's dig in meets ax on those boots soldier. Where marching down a time sucker timelines on march twenty six one thousand nine hundred five viktor. Frankl is born in vienna austria. He's a second of three children. The first being older brother walter. The third beans younger sister stella He's m- his mother. Elsa frankel formerly elsa lion hailed from prague his father gabriel frankel from or hailed from southern monrovia and before the nazis austria and kicked off the holocaust before they kicked off. He was a director in the ministry of social service. Morovia was in part of the austro-hungarian monarchy. Gabriel grew up the penniless. Son of a master bookbinder. A man who nearly starved himself through high school due to his family being too poor put food on the table to properly feed everyone. Gabriel despite grown up in this type of poverty made it into medical school and then ultimately had to drop out for financial reasons and work fulltime because father than began his career as a civil servant in vienna working first as a parliament. Inaugur never decade of doing that. He moved up to become the private secretary to a government minister. Gabriel also was a man of faith a deeply religious inherent You know do deeply Yeah religious adherence to judaism and he followed his tenants even when he left hungary or got him in trouble at work. The minister he worked for was puzzled. For instance over why. Gabriel always avoided meals when he was invited to frequent work related. Dinners and social gatherings of victor's father explained that he only a kosher food a practice he and frankel or he and the the frankel family maintained right up until the beginning of world war one at that point he in his family would have to abandon this practice. Starvation when the franco's and many other austrian families suffered through some very dire financial straits. How gabriel's boss reacted the news. Impasse enough food of these work. Functions says to me a lot about their respective minister had for victor's father when gabriel's boss found out about the kosher situation. He started sending coachman twice a day to a nearby village to get kosher food for his employees. Instead of letting will continue to live only on bread butter cheese franken would later described his father as a perfectionist with strong work ethic man who also had a rigid moral compass who was the undisputed patriarch of the family. He was a family's protector. The man who made his wife and children feel safe insecure and the religious leader of the family. Here's an example of that religious leadership and the department gabriel worked for much of his career. There was a section chief who wants asked him to take the minutes of a meeting that was being held on the high jewish. Holy day of yom kippur day of fasting and prayers workers forbidden and gabriel declined to work on that holy day the section chief then threatened him with disciplinary investigation. And even in the face of this threat he's still declines and just takes the discipline Frankl's mother of victor didn't write as much about her background. We know she descended from a long line of european scholars and rabbis. Among her ancestors was the twelfth century jewish bible in thomond scholar rossi's work remains a centerpiece of contemporary jewish. Study to this day of victory would write in his later years about how much he loved his mother. Frankel wrote about how the little boy he apparently went through a long phase of insisting that his mother sing to him to sleep each night sims a cradle song as he called it one called long ago. Keep quiet you little pest. Long long ago long ago frankel said he was so emotionally attached to his mother and his parental home even when he was a young adult hard for him to be away from his family. He suffered terrible homesickness during the first weeks months even years of being out on his own. The house is family. I lived in an austere when he was born with diagonally across the street from where these psychotherapist alfred adler once lived for a time there in vienna franken later regard his logo therapy the third viennese school of psychotherapy with sigmund freud's being the first and athers being the second three internationally recognized giants of psychiatry all in vienna and for a brief while all at the same time other believes that freud's theories focused too heavily on sex is the primary motivator for human behavior instead. Add their place a lesser emphasis on the role of the unconscious subconscious. A greater focus on the conscious choices. We make present day on interpersonal and social influences. Add their unlike. Freud wasn't so focused on early childhood one's past when it came to fixing outlook on the present more concerned with current circumstances. A franken will later take to focus further away from the past and in a way Even the present focusing on the future when treating variety psychological ailments basically from freud through adler to frankel we go from. You're sad because you have unresolved issues from early childhood. Old emotional scars regarded mom and dad. Maybe not getting along or being there few something along those lines. That's why you're having current relationship troubles and go from there again. That's freud to add there with. Maybe you're sad because you don't like the life you're currently living The relationship you currently have you don't feel significant enough at the moment your life doesn't feel as important to you as you would like it to and there was. Frankly it's maybe you're sad because you don't like your current life and more importantly you don't see how you can make a better. You're sad not because you're pass your your sad because of your perceived future it feels meaningless. it feels hollow. You don't see how what you're doing matters going forward. You feel you have nothing to work towards a pass focused largely present focus and then largely future focused and and it's a very rough and quick comparison of three schools of psychological. Thought that leave out a lot of the important details in almost all nuance but it gives a nice broad strokes overview more on franken's methods later them so much find his outlook so inspiring One thousand nine hundred eight. Victor says he decided to become a physician at just three years old. A clearly being raised in a home full of a lot of intellectual conversations. When i was three according to my family. I wanted to be superman. I spent a great deal of time. Wearing towels. Converted into capes with a well-placed bobby pin and trying to fly by sliding across coffee tables. Have a couple of scars. My head from some early flight accidents for sure was not thinking about being a doctor. If not a superhero properties. Wanted to be a logger like my dad and all his or victory would later remember telling his mother when he was just four. I know momma. How one invents medicines one picks out people who want to take their lives anyway and happened to be sick you give them all sorts of things to eat and drink such a shoe polisher gasoline. If if they survive you discovered the right medicine for sickness. Thank god that is not how doctors actually do it. Hit ak- habits dream gasoline. Will it help no idea but a place to start as any. If it doesn't fix you headache we'll try some shoe polish. That is. I want you to eat some nails. Maybe your face down on a hot stove. we'll see what does the trick. Then around the age of only four victor rights years later that he was startled by the unexpected thought that one day he would have to die again. Not me Because i thought it was going to sue. Wren doesn't die. at least. I didn't think he would troubled. Victor then it would throughout his life was not the fear of dying but the question of whether the transitory nature of life might destroy meaning again. I was not thinking these type of thoughts as a young child. If you'd asked me a for like hey what do you think of the transitory nature of life you think might destroy. its meaning. I think will just quietly stared blankly. You for a few awkward moments till i felt like it was maybe a good time to change the subject and ask something totally unrelated that did care about Custom took ice cream. Gotta chuck ice cream cone tonight. Eventually as an adult franken would decide that this nature did not destroy lives meaning because nothing from the past is irretrievably lost whatever we have done or created whatever we have learned and experienced all of this we have delivered into the past. There is no one and nothing that can undo it kind of terrifying concept also kind of a beautiful concept to think about right. Whatever we've done for better for worse it cannot be undone. And maybe i'm extrapolating on his thoughts a more than he would have here but when he says nothing from the past is irretrievably lost. I interpret that as our past choices in moments live on an away forever and through that living on more meaning is giving to our lives right our choices matter because they affect future lives of the most obvious examples to pass not dying living on comes. I think from our very existence your existence as a result of pass choices choices before you choices. That are now gone. They're done but there are consequences. Live on like a sexual encounter was once had that led to you or a laboratory. Fertilization was made some kind of conscious choice was made that led to your existence so many choices in fact thousands of years worth of choices thousand that millions of years Billions if you're gonna break it down that led to your creation had your parents and grandparents and great grandparents to you know harry whatever you believe you know back. Further further further. Back to primate spec to the animals evolved primates. You know had they all not made it as they did you would not exist. How magical that. You're the result of you. Know thousands or millions of generations of choices moments in time lost but not lost the results embodied in your existence ancient decisions living on through your existence. That's the most obvious example to me but there are many others To bring it to this podcast like you're you know you choose. You made a choice to listen to podcasts. Along with You know the choices of others to do the same. These choices collectively altered download numbers and those numbers. Thus altered have reached certain thresholds. That have made us more feeling to sponsors. And in those sponsors have encouraged me and the crew here to keep trading. This podcast continue create. This podcast brings additional entertainment too many more entertainment to some more then entertainment to some because some listeners have written insane time sook has made them feel so much less alone that they actually have you know not gone through with a suicide they actually seriously contemplated if this is the effect of show is on a few people in the past And if we keep making it. I think it's safe to surmise. Others may feel similarly in the future and so your choice to listen to this podcast today. two years from now in the future. We'll obviously then be a pass choice in that pass choice at that point could have kept somebody in a way from any at all and then whatever choices they make after that point when they would've ended it. Those choices will be in some way tied to your choice so your decision today even if you die tomorrow live on an unexpected ways choices meaning and listening time suck is one of the more odds are trivial and inconsequential decisions of your life. I hope Think of all the other decisions you make and how those decisions manifest in the future and live on and affect others decisions continually warping and mutating. The future both expected and unexpected ways. Meaning in all of that your life has had. We'll continue have meaning because to live. You must continue to make choices and the butterfly effect of our choices is so fascinating right. Your choices might be more powerful than you realize the butterfly effect of your life. The totality of your choices. It will for sure outlast you and for sure affect the world ways you'll never fully understand and then it's just one of the many ways. I think that frankel would explain to us about how our past lives on. Our lives are not transitory. Not meaningless. And again i'll dig into his actual therapeutic outlook later after the time line and not just you know. Continue to words in his mouth later. While in highschool frankl's childhood wished to become a physician became more focused and under the influence of psychoanalysis became interested in psychiatric. Psychiatry he later. His talent is a psychiatrist as related to a he had as a cartoonist. I love this. He said it's a cartoonist. He said he can spot the weaknesses in a person and exaggerate and draw them then as a psychotherapist he could see beyond those weaknesses. Recognize intuitively some possibilities for overcoming those weaknesses. What a cool. Transformation from cruel doodle highlight and others perceive flaws to comforting nurture explaining to others how to overcome the perceived weaknesses. Franken see the potential for discovering a meaning behind someone's misery and thus turn and apparently meaningless suffering into a genuine treatment the concept of searching for and then pursuing would give you meaning. We'll become the core of later. Approach to therapy will become known as logo therapy while still in his teens. Franken also became interested in philosophy started to pontificate with whoever would listen to him about his thoughts on the meaning of life he met while still a teen. Another famed vienna therapist. I mentioned earlier. Alfred adler even formed relationship with him and the live right across the street also is a teeny began corresponding via the mail with another viennese therapist. Sigmund freud he later loses friendship with either when he insisted that meaning was the central motivational force in human beings and other disagreed other believed that feeling significant feeling powerful was the central motivation for humans central motivational force. Human life to psychology nerds parting ways after heated psychological debates. Meaning is what matters most adler people just need to feel that their life has meaning. No you're wrong frankel. People who defeats feel significant and significance is a type of meaning add. Shut the fuck up frankel. You are significant pain in my ass which matters not when it comes to my own central motivational force. Adler is not attached your approval. We'll then take your main out of my office. Frankel or soon i will toss it out the window i don't know actual battle in nineteen twenty-three after graduating from high school. Victor starts a study of medicine at the university of vienna specializing in neurology and psychiatry with focus on depression and suicide. The very next year for angles first scientific papers published in the international journal of psychoanalysis in nineteen twenty four on the recommendation of sigmund freud. Pretty good person to recommend your publication in the psych analysis. One of the fathers of you know these psychoanalysis Victor would go on to medical degree. His father could not afford and he would also later after the war. Getting dr in philosophy highly educated do do just couldn't stop thinking about the meaning of life dude fascinated with making sure others were able to find meaning in their lives. A dude who knew that the more you're meaning you could find in your life the happier you would between one thousand nine hundred eighty nine hundred thirty. I'll still a medical student. Frankel gets work As a therapist organiz special youth counseling centers around vienna to address the high number of teams suicides occurring around the time of the end of the year report cards. The program was sponsored by the city. Free of charge to students and after frankel got this program going in one thousand nine thirty one. Not a single viennese student would commit suicide that year clearly. His methods worked his positive outlook on life. he is now developing will be Later developed during the holocaust it will help him survived the holocaust he was able to get through to a lot of. These students helped him understand that the meaning of their life wasn't wrapped up solely in a grade. They've been given student. Life was transitory You know Failing in school we did not equate to failing in the rest of their life. backing up to a year. Nineteen thirty franklin received his medical license. Got a job at the steinhof. Psychiatric hospital in vienna where he worked his way up and obtained a position where he was in charge of the pavilion for suicidal women. Beginning nineteen thirty lasted until nineteen. Thirty seven no less than three thousand depressed patients every year and he helped so many of them behind them in the nineteen thirty seven frankel opened his own private psychiatry practice in vienna. He studied for so long. He'd helped so many he'd gotten his degree. Launched successful programs gotten years of invaluable experience working as a doctor therapists. Now you know. He built his career to the point where he could leave the hospital. He worked for run his practice exactly as he saw fit thirty two years old. He's running his own business. The culmination of many many years of hard work and the fucking nasi show up and shit all over everything he'd be working on nazis so good at ruining anything that is good on march twelfth. Nineteen thirty eight. German troops marched into austria to the german speaking nation for hiller and his tiny mustaches. Pathetic third reich The day before. Hitler had pressured the austrian chancellor to step down and in his resignation address delivered obviously under duress. The chance pleaded with austrian forces to not resist a german advance into the country and the chanter would spend most of the rest of his Warriors imprisoned the following day. Austria declared a federal state of germany will remain so until the end of world war. Two life in vienna change for everyone living there Especially for the jewish population changes. Horrifically talk about vienna and the jews living there at this time. Venus population of roughly one point nine million before the war was twenty eight percent of the country's entire population. Some one hundred seventy thousand. Jewish people lived in the city as well as approximately eighty thousand people of mixed jewish christian background including converts from judaism. Vienna's viennese jewish population may have been as high as two hundred thousand more than ten percent of the city's inhabitants and it was a very important center of jewish culture and education. Many viennese jews were well integrated into urban society and culture. They made up a significant percentage of the city's doctors and lawyers businessmen and bankers artists and journalists. Then of course. The nazis sure to put an end to all of that once in power. The nazis quickly applied german anti jewish legislation to vienna into the rest of austria. Jewish civil servants and employees quickly removed from the austrian government. Victor's father gabriel of course quickly loses his job but his whole career. Due to this legislation he worked for the government for most of his life. now that is forbidden. Jews are now banned from working in legal matters where areas are concerned. They're banned from work in. Hospitals areas are patients. Society is quickly segregated. If you're a jewish lawyer you only have jewish clients. A jewish doctor. You can only treat jewish patients and since jewish people are minority in vienna. Many other careers now destroyed by the summer of nineteen thirty nine. Hundreds of jewish owned factories. Thousands of businesses in vienna have been closed or confiscated by the government day after day week after week month after month. Viktor frankl watches the city. He was born and raised in. The city has been educated in now practices. psychiatry ba- torn apart by these unjust nazi policies. Anti-semitism while it existed in vienna prior to the nazis it had existed in the shadows quiet racism and prejudiced now publicly Celebrated where it was wants. Deplorable the frank other families now frequently the targets of racial harassment. Vienna suddenly becomes the focal point for jewish immigration out of austria but an order to leave jewish residents have to basically sign over everything. They can't take with them in their suitcases. Over to the new german government imagine that shit their homes investment properties businesses didn't matter what australia's jewish population and built up had to signed over to the people who fucking hated them that home. That's been in your family for five. Generations handed over and fuck off the business. You spent the prime years of your life porn your blood and tears into handed over. No compensation not even thank you. Just toss over the deeds and get the fuck out. Why because of mindless racism and nazi scapegoating because millions of european non-jews have been brainwashed into believing that any economic shortcomings ever received any shortcomings of any kind. They'd have received all the fault of the juice. You don't have a home you don't have a job you don't have a job you want. You can afford to feed your family. It's not your fault not the fault of your own choices. Not the fault of complex issues. Circumstances largely brought on by world war one fallout. Now it's the fault of the jews and the jews alone wasn't for their greed their constant conspiratorial plottings. You and your family will be thriving right. They've always been lurking in the shadows. A secret powerful and evil cabal of string-pulling puppet masters the aluminum nutty part of why go so hard and certain conspiracy theorists The conspiratorial mind can so easily in its paranoid state be manipulated into becoming the mind of a fucking scapegoating nazi far too. Many people gobble up this propaganda. Germany and dramatic nations in the nineteen thirties. There all too happy to see the jews punished due to a terrible combination of centuries of antisemitic discrimination based largely on that rally. Cry of the jews killed jesus and also good old enough. Many embraced vienna's new normal. Especially the ignorant and hateful juicer quickly banned from entering various vienna restaurants in public places like parks due to the annexation of austria to nazi germany. Franken adopted middle name. Israel must call himself foxman handler Translates roughly to skilled worker butchered. How that was said in german instead of physician. Not just a slight insult there. That's a big one. How fucked up did went to a school. Where both areas and non aryan studied. He got his medical degree got his doctorate than the preposterously hateful. Mean-spirited irrational nazi leadership strips. Some of that degree the allow him now to call himself. A skilled worker guessing. This guy had a at a higher. I q and literally any high ranking member of the nazi party definitely higher. I q than hitler. Some people seem to have this attitude of terrible dude but he was. You know like a lot of ways. I was he. Did you know he was a terrible student is due thrived on hayden conviction. Much more than intelligence. I think he was real big in the brains departments. Ignorant dude never did well in school. It was not a smart man. He stopped going to school aged sixteen no formal education after that he did complete the equivalent of high school at the time but just barely more like stop it after being a sophomore. Today i wanted to become an artist but was rejected from an art academy And where was that academy in vienna. How he must have loved to strip academic degrees from intellectually superior. Venus men. Like viktor frankl right. Take the titles. And i'm sure made him on some level feel very secure about his own. Mental abilities made him feel inferior to the the he called out as being inferior. Franken's office was an area is which meant it was taken from him. He then had to move his practice into his parents He and his family also have to jewish badges plainly. Visible yellow stars of david on their clothing would not at home to make it easier for non jews nazis to know who to mock who to abuse And the infamous november pogroms. Hundreds of jews. Die in many synagogues or destroyed among them the magnificent Lipold leopold stocker there. We go leopold's dr temple near the franks home. While that destruction. Because german diplomat had been assassinated by seventeen year old jew in paris. How dare a single jewish person ever strike back at the third reich. How dare they lay down and take their beatings. After the nazis moved in victor appeals to the united states for an immigration beats visa so he and his family can flee from the city he loved and like many others. He's put on a waiting list of the. Us government preoccupied with pulling itself the depression at the time turning a blind eye to hitler's for the moment in the fall of nineteen thirty nine on adolf eichmann's orders another nazi war pilot shit The systematic mass deportation of the jewish population begins s. Police officials initially deport. Some fifteen hundred jews from vienna to a detention camp in poland additional jewish deportations one occur in vienna until the late winter of nineteen forty. One just a little hint. What's to come just enough to keep everyone afraid. And in line due to a limited ability now to treat private patients because of nazi intervention in nineteen forty. Victor joins the vienna rothschild hospital where he works as the head of the neurology department. Hospital be we will be the very last one in vienna to admit your patients before the war during the war. Excuse me and in spite of the danger to his own life. While working there frankl sabotage nazi procedures by making false diagnosis To prevent the euthanasia of mentally ill patients and also while work into rothschild hospital. Victor mates a jewish nurse. Tilly grosser a wonderful woman who become his first wife. He'll right later that while he found tilly beautiful it was not her beauty. That drew him to her. It was her understanding heart and his words. He later wrote in his autobiography. What made me decide to marry tilly. One day she was preparing the noon meal and my parents apartment when the phone rang. It with the rothschild hospital with an emergency call. A patient brought in after a suicide attempt using sleeping pills. And i couldn't i try my brain surgery magic. I didn't even wait to have fresh coffee but popped a few coffee beans into my mouth to chew. While i rushed the taxi stand. Although it was forbidden for jews to hail taxis two hours later. I returned with a chance for lunch together had passed. I soon the others eaten which in fact my parents had done tilly had waited and her first reaction was not finally your back. I've been holding lunch view but rather how did it go. How is the patient. In this moment. I decided that i wanted her my wife because she was this or that but because she was she. I love the wording there at the end. Why did i marry her because she was she. That's real romantic love now. I love when you love someone because to you. They are irreplaceable. Because they are they because you respect with ours. Unique special and irreplaceable. Also nine hundred forty. Frank obtains permission from the us government emigrates and leave. The nazi hellhole. Vienna has become behind him and he turns this opportunity down. Why because he can't bring his parents with him. He chooses to stay with his young love and tried to keep his parents safe and he knew that stain based on later writings meant there was a very high likelihood that he would die along with them but he stays out of a sense of duty in early. Nineteen forty one. Frankel starts writing the first version of the book. The doctor and the soul In which he lays down the foundation of his logo therapy in october of nineteen forty one. The system deportation of jews from vienna really gets going This month roughly thirty five thousand jews deported various ghettos in eastern europe most shots at s. Shortly after arrival beginning at the end of november over fifteen thousand additional jews sent to the threes dot ghetto which wasn't as bad as many the nazi concentration camps. But you know not a fun place. A place of so much unnecessary misery and death a prison a prison for people whose only crime was being jewish. This ghetto opened on november twenty fourth nineteen forty one and would last all the way until may nine thousand nine hundred forty five day after the allied forces accepted the unconditional surrender of nazi germany. Cruel fox had a keep it going as long as they could. Of course did by the end of the war how to sensitize to human suffering must have so many nazis have become compassion must have left their moral lexicon so long before while many would die ghetto. Most sent here would die elsewhere. Is this particular place was what a lot of sources call a holding pen of the approximately one hundred forty thousand jews transferred to the raising starts during the war. Nearly ninety thousand within deported two points further east to they're almost certain deaths. Roughly thirty three thousand would die in the ghetto itself. Though fifteen thousand children pass into this camp Would pass it. This camp during the war and over ninety percent of them would die. Nearly fourteen thousand children treated like they were no more than rats fit for extermination in december. Nineteen forty one thirty six year old victor. Mary's twenty one year old tilly amidst all this insanity why because she was shape are the to actually became some of the very last of the viennese jews to be able to obtain permission to be granted permission from the government to wet literally only one other couple legally married after them in vienna and then the jewish is. The jewish. Registrar's office was dissolved. Jewish couples would marry until the nazis were defeated Tragedy will strike their new marriage almost immediately till he gets pregnant around the time of their wedding and the couple had the baby aborted not because they didn't want it. They did that to You know save tilles life. A decree had recently been sent out in vienna and elsewhere that all jewish women found to be pregnant would be deported to concentration camps the punishment for attempting to create more jewish life was death many many years later. Nineteen seventy eight. Franken will dedicate a book the unheard cry for meaning to the couple's unborn child september twenty fifth nineteen forty two. Viktor frankl his parents and his wife are taken by force. They're sent to the ghetto. Frankel will not see vienna again. Until the war's over his sister stella his little sister stella managed to escape to australia with her husband and children just before they were taken a older brother. Walter and walter's wife avoid deportation. Temporal temporarily try to escape to italy They will not make it out and they will be rounded up and sent to the same camp as a short time later. Life in the threes ian. Stott ghetto was terrible for the frankl's as it was for everyone else forced to live there a most had to live in overcrowded collective dormitories with sixty to eighty people per room. Men women and children living separately a few prisoners especially those who had connections managed to create little private cubby holes in the addicts of the barracks where they could stay with her family. Pretty rare food rations. In the ghetto were beyond inadequate starvation rations. The distribution of it was cruel. Those who did not work mostly elderly received sixty percent less food than the heavy labourers did leading to frequent death because the heavy labours they didn't get enough food ninety two percent of the deaths There were deaths of those among over the age of sixty and almost all elderly prisoners. Who were not deported at the raising. Stop the war ended less than four years after the ghettos construction The who worked with an average of seventy hours a week most of the jobs hard manual labor the punishment for not working hard. Beatings and or death Most ghettos some cultural life was allowed at least until late. Nineteen forty four early nineteen forty-five when nearly everyone who had already been sent off to death camps. were then deported. Before the end though music was played it was a library. Lectures were given on everything from judaism to science economics. Also the only nazi concentration center where religious observance was not banned. Initially frankel worked there as a general practitioner in this ghetto and their little mini hospital with the nazis. His psychiatry skills. They set him up a practice to help other jews overcome the horrors of being sent to a ghetto or concentration camp against her will fucked up. His job was to keep other jewish inmates from killing themselves or from falling in some paralyzing state of depression you know because they were in this fucking terrible ghetto waiting to be deported to auschwitz or someplace and keep them you know Coming you know to depressed so they can continue to work for the nazi war effort basically let them die or let them help the two. Were killing them. That was the choice What a terrible choice would a terrible place in time to be a therapist bit. You're headed up an anti suicide. Watch unit for these people anytime someone attempts suicide he and his assistants knew about it. And we're sent there to help can imagine these like counting sessions. Moshe tell me why are you so depressed. Why are you having suicidal thoughts. Fucking kidding me. Dr frankel of living in nazi ghetto starving often beaten that any moment i can and eventually will be sent to a proper death camp many of my family dead i see. What have you tried. Look at the bright side focused on how sure you're being beaten and starving. Allow all your family. But you're not in the death camps yourself yet and that's that's kind of cool right with all due respect Go fuck yourself. Dr frankel lifer franklin his family there mixture of glimpses of their wonderful pass and then reminder terrible present for a time. Victory was placed in a so-called little fortress. On the periphery of the camp. One day after a few hours later he was dragged back to his barracks with what he describes as thirty one wounds of varying severity severity in the barrack the trained nurse his his wife Is there at least with him. And she bandages. Victor takes care of them that evening when he recovered somewhat. She takes him to another barrack. Where a jazz band known in prague. Before the war was playing they play the unofficial national anthem of the jewish people in To me or beautiful and victory later wrote of his experience. The contrast between the indescribable tortures of the morning and the jazz in the evening was typical of our existence with all his contradictions of beauty and hideous humanity and inhumanity at some point amid nineteen forty four frankel his mother his brother and his wife or sent a place much worse than threes. Ian stott sent offshoots a known death. Camp a place with no jazz Nothing else nice. A victor's father will not travel with them. He has recently died in the ghetto. This is somewhat frankel. Wrote of his father's time there prior to his death at the raising stop from starvation and pneumonia. This air director once was seen scraping potato peelings from a nearby Empty trash can later transferred from three. You install to the camp at coffering where we suffered terribly from starvation. And it was there that i came to understand my father better now. It was i who scraped a tiny piece of carrot from the icy soil with my fingernails as we march together from the train station to bosch wits to the th raising stock camp father had his possessions in a large hatbox. He carried on his back while others were close to panic. He smiled as he told him again and again be of good. Cheer for god's near among the few things i was able to smuggle into three and stat was a vial of morphine when my father was dying from pulmonary pulmonary pulmonary dima and struggling for air as he near death i injected him with the morphine to ease his suffering. He was eighty one years old and starving nevertheless took a second ammonia to bring about his death. I asked him. Do you still have pain. No do you have any wish no. Do you want to tell me anything. No i kissed him in left. I knew i would not see him alive again. But i had the most wonderful feeling one can imagine. I had done what i could. I'd stay in vienna. Because of my parents now eight accompanied father to the threshold and had spared him. The unnecessary agony of death when mother was in mourning the check rabbi fertitta. Who had known father visited her in the camp. I was present when furhter comforting mother told her that father had been exotic adjust. Man this confirmed my conviction. The justice was one of my father's chief characteristics and his sense of justice must have been rooted in faith in divine justice. Otherwise i cannot imagine how or why he would have formulated that adage that i heard him say so often. To god's will. I hold still damn to watch his father man with such dignity strongman with a strong moral compass to watch him starve and die in this way die knowing his wife and two children were still in. This nazi ghetto. How utterly tragic and so extra tragic story was not unique in the nineteen forties in europe. Tens of thousands of other fathers hundreds of thousands in fact would die similar deaths and his father died in or after his father died three and start camp. Victor spend as much time as you mother. He knew when he saw her are sued. He never knew when he saw her. If you'd ever see her again. I said he made it his practice. The kiss her wherever he met her and whenever he said goodbye to her. He said he did this so should they be separated. They parted in peace. And when victory was to be deported to the auschwitz death. Camp with first wife tilly. He said farewell to his dear mother at the last moment he asked her. Please give me your blessing. And he wrote how years later he could never forget how she cried out from deep within her heart. Yes yes i bless you. And she gave him her blessing only about a week later she herself was deported to auschwitz. Where she would quickly be sent to the gas chambers both loving parents now dead due to the nazis due to mindless hate although victory had been forced to schwartz his young wife would have avoided or could've avoided a similar fate. Tilley had been given a two year exemption from transfer to auschwitz as. She was working in a munitions factory and important factor for the war effort won. Her husband was called up for the transport. East as it was called You know transport everyone knew meant auschwitz. She volunteered to go with him behind his back after he begged her to stay knowing it would likely end with her death and so on the trains. She went with her husband because she was she. Brother also traveled with them. Once now. Dr joseph mangla torture cold-blooded medical experimental be known as the angel of death selected victor for the left. Chew which unbeknown franken meant he was heading straight for the gas chambers to be killed immediately like his mother soon would be however franken recognized none of his colleagues from the resume and start in that queue so he He does see his colleagues old colleagues and the right you. He switches behind my back. No nazi see him do this. He has no idea that what he just done has saved his life and his wife will soon then be separated in auschwitz sensitive camps. You'll write later about what. He learned her fate and the fate of his mother. Shortly after the war ended two friends. He writes this letter. Some friends ville him and steph a boerner. He wrote september fourteenth nineteen forty-five my dears. I've been in vienna for four weeks now. Finally there is an opportunity to write you. But i only have sad news to communicate shortly before my departure from munich alone that my mother was sent auschwitz a week after me. What that means you know all too well. And i'd scarcely arrived in vienna. When i was told that my wife is also dead to ascend from our shorts to work in the trenches attract and berg and breslau and then sent onto the infamous concentration camp of bergen belsen there. The women endured terrible indescribable suffering as it was put in a letter from a former colleague of tilles in which chilies name is listed as one of those who died of typhus. The letter comes from the only survivor of the former hospital nurses such as they were in bergen. Belsen i've had the indescribable depicted to me by a survivor of bergen. Belsen and i cannot repeat it so now i'm all alone who whoever has not shared a similar. Fate cannot understand me. I'm terribly tired terribly. Sad terribly lonely. I've nothing more to hope for and nothing more to fear. I have no pleasure in life only duties and i live out of conscience and so i have reestablished myself and now i'm reid dictating my manuscript both for publication and for my own rehabilitation a couple of well-placed old friends have taken on my cause and the most touching way but no success can make me happy. Everything is weightless void vein in my eyes. I feel distant from everything. It all says nothing to me means nothing. The best have not returned my best friend hubert guru was beheaded and they have left me alone and the camp we believe that we had reached the lowest point and then when we returned we saw that nothing has survived that that which had kept a standing has been destroyed then at the same time as we were becoming human again it was possible to fall deeper into even more boundless suffering there remains perhaps nothing more to do than cry little and browse a little through the psalms. Perhaps you will smile at me. Maybe you'll be angry with me. But i do not contradict myself in the slightest. I take nothing away from my former affirmation of life. When i experienced the things i have described on the contrary. If i had not had this rock-solid positive you of life what would have become of me in these last weeks in these months in the camp. But now i see things in a larger dimension i see increasingly that life is so very meaningful that in suffering and even failure there must still be meaning. My only consolation lies in the fact that i can say in all good conscience that i realized the opportunities that presented themselves to me. I mean to say that. I turn them into reality. This is the case with respect to my short marriage tilly. What we experienced cannot be undone it has been but this having been perhaps the most certain form of being with warmest. Greetings your victor. And what a fucking nightmare. What a letter to get. What a letter to right tragedy to experience. His mother would be in a one of so many to die in auschwitz. By the way check out the scale of this and just over four and a half years over one point one million people would die in that insane death camps just that one of many almost seven hundred a day continuously for four and a half years that is a preposterous staggering amounts of death. Wife kelly would be One of many today in bergen belsen despite having no gas chamber gas chambers over fifty thousand would die there as well. Bergen belsen is. Actually the camp were young. Diary writer and frank will also die and this is the kind of shift to went down in bergen belsen The victor didn't talk about the following source is the testimony of survivor from the camp testimony. A war crimes trial the survivor. Young woman was giving evidence to british officials so they could prepare cases to prosecute not to work. I'm twenty seven years old. She writes in. I have been in concentration camps since october of nineteen forty two. My only crime was being jew. My husband died in a concentration camp with me on january. Tenth nineteen forty four. I came to bells in about january. Nineteen forty five. There was in the camp girl. We knew a senior who is a prisoner and acted as chief of the camp among the prisoners. She was friendly. With all the ss women and especially with the nazi in charge of the women section at and camp she was. I think about twenty seven years of age. Although it is difficult to tell age in camp very tall slender and dark-haired she was suffering. I think from be at the beginning of april. She drank something that made her. Ill said that she had been poisoned by cakes. Sent from the kitchen as a result the chief woman cook her sister and a kitchen hand were shot. They disappeared in the dresses were sent back to their room which was custom when women were shot. The chief of the kitchen at number one camp was a man whose name i think was our in the last week before the english came i saw three women ask him for drinking water which was in very short supply in the camp. They're in a very weak condition. And i myself saw him take them one by one and drown them in large sort of stone tank near the kitchen. They were too weak to resist and he was too strong. My god drowning starving women for asking for some fucking water to drink shooting others unfounded accusations. That is how little value some of the nazis placed on jewish life Backs nineteen forty four not long after arriving at auschwitz. Victor's brother walter dies. Working as a slave labor in a campaign is wife only brother. mother father all died in nazi camps. Now victor himself almost died in nineteen forty four just a few days after arriving at auschwitz franklin transferred to another labor camp He's brought to covering than later transferred again to talk. I'm subsidiary camp of dachau in bavaria. In turkey he comes down with typhus and apologies will not saying this is the lesser known that correctly. He nearly dies saying later. The only thing that saved him was attempting to write the book. He began writing before. I being deported to be from vienna a book he would finish immediately after the. War's end the nineteen forty five publication. I mentioned the doctor and the soul trying to finish. That book gave his life. Meaning a purpose. Something to hold out for something to live for The initial manuscript he started had been confiscated thrown away. He had to start over the following year. He would write another book and just nine days man's search for meaning one of my favorite books. One of the best books ever written. I think He later wrote in his autobiography. About how what he came down with typhus and the turkey. I'm camp he was very near death. How he kept thinking that his book would never be published that he would die in a place of so much death after surviving the attack then began to experience strange breathing difficulties including painful respiration at night again. He he's going to die convinced he might not make it until morning without medical assistance in the middle of the night. One night to make it to the back of the head physician of the camp. He has to crawl in total darkness. For hundred yards sneaking out of your barracks was strictly forbidden at night. And if you would have been caught to guard in the watch tower would have shot him down with his machine gun so he has to either risk death choking or risk being shot to death. That was his life. He crawled and tear word that at any moment he might be spotted and killed. He would suffer from nightmares about nights. Like this for the rest of his life. Despite the horsey face without them he also would never wouldn't believe that he would have ever completed his creation of therapy. It wouldn't be what it became on the death camps. He watched other prisoners who under the same conditions as himself generally chose to either fight to survive or to give into despair those who are oriented towards the future he noticed towards a a meaning that waited to be fulfilled. He noticed they consistently live longer was much more likely to survive their sense of purpose. Appear to literally keep them alive. Others perished after the war. He studied the work of nardini. And lift into american military of psychiatrists. Who found the same to be true in prisoner of war camps in japan and korea years later giving a lecture at the first international congress for psychotherapy and ledin holland frankel disclosed the audience. How he repeatedly tried to distance himself from the misery that surrounded him by externalizing it now that saved him. He kept imagining himself in the future. Sharing with what he had written with others. He created us. Lucid daydream for himself. And that kept him alive. He based his hope and meaning in this dream he kept repeating or he told a story of marching one morning from the camp to his worksite. Hard able to bear the hunger the cold the pain of his frozen infesting feet swollen from hunger edina squeeze into his shoes his situation seemed bleak and hopeless but in his mind he transformed himself away from all that shit away from all that despair he imagined himself standing at the lectern a large beautiful warm and bright hall. He imagined himself giving a lecture to an interested audience on psychotherapeutic experiences in a concentration camp and in this imaginary lecture. He reported the things that he was then. Living through at. That very moment is kerr. Life is current misery important fodder to be used later to help others. That was the main he attached to his life. This hope this vision of better days ahead. It gave his life meaning and that meaning literally kept him alive on april twenty. Seventh nineteen forty-five took camp is liberated by. Us troops us troops from texas to be specific. Viktor frankl just turned forty years old days later. Franklin heads back to vienna. Roughly two hundred thousand jews lived there before the war is we said now only a few thousand remain those who lived in hiding during the war's final days those trickling back Victor falls into despair when he learned with certainty that his mother brother wife all dead like his father I talk about the despair. you know. he wrote about in that letter i read earlier. An old friend of his bruno pitterman now has become a member of the new government organizes in apartment in a job for him gives typewriter. Encourages him to finish publish. The book the kept him alive during the war with a few months of returning franklin becomes a director of the vienna neurological polyclinic a position. He will hold for twenty five years. He also quickly finishes his book. He has reconstructed the doctrine soul with an added chapter on the psychology of the concentration camp. One of the very first books published in postwar vienna and the first edition sells out in days also in nineteen forty six. He writes man's search for meaning and just nine days dictating it to a colleague. He'll series of much noted public lectures in which he explains central thoughts on meaning zillions the importance of embracing life even the face of even in the face of great adversity. These lectures are subsequently published in yet. Another book yes to life in spite of everything. Well we're getting new hospital. He also meets his second wife another nurse surrounded by his medical staff. He's making the rounds in neurology. Sections of polyclinic. When he first met her he had just one left He had just left one sick room. Excuse me and was about to enter the next. When a young nurse approaches him she asked on behalf of her supervisor. An oral surgery if he could spare bed from his department for a patient who had just had surgery he agrees she leaves the grateful. Smile bicker turns to an assistant. Says is you see those is he then found her again asked her out and they would be together for the rest of his life. He didn't let the nazis take one level. He didn't let excuse me. The nazis taking one love away from him. Keep him from finding another love. Very inspiring The following year in nineteen forty seven. He and eleanor kathrina get married. That december their daughter gabrielle was born. And gabriel will be their only child and frankel. The dad gets super. Busy with work expands. Refines his theory of local therapy and no less than eight books that will be published between nineteen forty six and nineteen forty nine. He is cranking that shit out Nine hundred eighty s promoted to associate professor of neurology and psychiatry at the university of vienna medical school in the nineteen fifties. He's promoted to professor at. The university of vienna begins guest professorships at overseas universities universities in england holland and argentina invite him to give lectures and the us and other nations is books are beginning to be published as well in nineteen sixty one. Frank becomes a guest professor at harvard addressing the topic of personal freedom. He makes the off quoted remark that the statue of liberty on the east coast should be supplemented by a statue of responsibility on the west coast tours. The world speaking about local therapy nine hundred seventy frankl's starts taking flying lessons. Why because it makes them happy. I've always gone through. He's still finds joy a lot of joy in his life. Nineteen seventy-three he acquires his solo flight. Certificate nine hundred ninety eight at the memorial day commemorating the fiftieth year after the annexation of austria to nazi germany. Now eighty two year. Old frankel speaks out against the concept of collective guilt. I find this really interesting in a speech. Incredible compassion empathy and understanding of the human soul. What is collective guilt in the context of nazi germany. It's a notion that all of the germans not persecuted by the nazis whether they were nazis themselves or not. We're all responsible collectively for the eagles perpetrated by the nazi party by nazi germany. It's a notion that all the nazis were essentially evil human beings collectively responsible for the holocaust. Frankel spoke out against this notion and shit for doing so from colleagues and others. He started speaking out against this notion immediately after the war ended when his wounds still fresh. When speaking out against collective guilt he would often tell the following story the head of the camp from which i was liberated was an ss man after liberation myself and an other inmates heard what up to then only the camp physician himself inmate new. This s man had secretly spent considerable sums of his own money at the drugstore in the nearby village. Purchase medications for camp inmates. Some of his fellow jewish prisoners after the liberation hit this s s man from the american troops told the commanding officer that they would deliver him only on the condition that no harm would come to him. The american commander gave his word of honor and the former inmates turned in the ss man. The commander reappointed him as it were this time to organize the collection of food clothing for former jewish prisoners and surrounding villages. Franklin himself also hit a medical colleague in his apartment. Back in vienna protected him from prosecution by the authorities who considered him a nazi simply because he'd wants received a badge of honor from the hitler youth organization. The man was just a child when he was inducted into hitler's youth organization but he faces special trial or a trial of a special court for nazi crimes. And if you wouldn't have gotten an acquittal he would have executed the time. Those are the only two options franken was fair Frankel a man whose entire family with the exception of a sister have been put to death by the nazis. Knew that not all of those associated with hitler evil or responsible in some way. For hitler's evil. Frank was smart enough to understand nuance. Life is not that black and white life is not that binary just like all. us liberals aren't the same now just like all us. Conservatives aren't the same now either. Despite the efforts of the intellectually limited or spin-doctors pundits to create this binary fake reality to sell more soap and shit and now all nazis. You know Say not the same either. Life just doesn't work that way no matter how what you wanted to just not often that. Divide the good from evil. A franco with his deep understanding of the complexity of humanity could understand even in his grief just like he was trying to survive the war from inside the camps many of those who worked at the also just trying to survive the war also just couldn't wait for it to be over refuse to serve in hitler's army was a you know a sure would grant you a death sentence Just like being born. Jewish would in many nazi occupied territories nineteen ninety-one the us library of congress. Man's search for meaning is one of the ten most influential books in america. Nineteen ninety-five frankel. Writes the autobiography police. Today's quotes from and on september. Second nineteen ninety-seven viktor. Frankl dies of heart. Failure at age ninety two his mind was active. He was in good health right up until the end he outlived the holocaust over half a century he could have so easily given into despair. He could've let go and died in the camps but he didn't he held onto meeting hilda. Hope for better days ahead. He needed to write his book. He needed to share his outlook for improving happiness for many others. That meaning kept him alive. Allowed him to write more books from that place of meaning. He rebuilt his life. He chose to ask someone else out. He found love again. He found career success again. He do you know work to get all that back. Couldn't take back to life. The nazis stolen from him but he could choose to build a new one. He made choices that go on. Help millions of people choices that continue long after his death to enrich lives lives like mine. A victory was survived by his wife. Eleanor their daughter gabrielle. And their grandchildren. Kathrina middle name. Alexander frenkel died in the city where he was born vienna the city he refused to give up on the source of so much of his joy the source of much of his heartache the city where his surviving family still lives and that will take us out of today's time suck timeline good job shoulder you've made it back barely was story writes what a life how tremendously inspirational. If viktor frankl could overcome the pain he lived through to lead such a feeling life. What can you overcome are now is breakdown. This inspiring psychological alec. Frankel left us The one he began working on before world war two a deep understanding of humanity that crystallized for franklin during the war when he was in the camps when he would lecture on right about for the rest of his life but first a quick break do enjoy food. Enjoy eating tasty fresh food. There's been dropped off at your door me too. It's like with the same person. 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Not linked tells him what he has to do. No tradition tells him what he ought to do. sometimes he does not even know what he wishes to do instead. He either wishes to do what other people do. Conformism other people wish him to do to tell a terrorism and so makes so much sense to me early. Meet sachs while they had it harder in so many ways. They did have an easier in some as well. I think we had harder. Now in some ways. Spiritually philosophically at least Then i think they did. What was the purpose of our ancient ancestors lives to find food too key finding food to keep from being eaten by predators to keep their small try for being overtaken by the small tribes to find some shelter cave crudely thrown together. Pisa would eat fight. Fox sleep repeat that kind of life. Staying alive gave life meaning. And you didn't have an existential crisis because you couldn't even think exponentially are you brain. Wasn't that big yet. Trying to find a mate trying to protect your feed your family that give your life meaning back when you had little tiny monkey. Bray back more animal than human And then our brains got bigger right rituals developed. We started to wonder why we all here. And we depend on what you believe. Either invented the gods in our own image or let those gods You know answer the question of why we're here Or you know. God or gods revealed themselves to us and answer the question of why we're here divinely because they made us often You know wanted to reward us for for leading moral lives. Early religions were born sooner. Lives were governed by our traditions traditions. Now give their lives meaning. Now we do this. So the god's will bring rain to the crops. Let our child not die. We do this to please. The guys we don't do this to incur the wrath. We wait to move onto the spirit world to walk with our ancestors. Faith now gives our lives meanings faith in the gods who protect us from evil spirits. Protect us from other clans of humans civilization developed. We continue to live our lives. You know And give them meaning by trying to please the gods by trying to defend our lands by trying to improve our lot in life in early very rigid systems of government and religion were freedoms limited in. The rules are strict. Don't worry about too many choices. We find meaning and trying to become king or noble or we find ourselves In the favor of king or noble we continue to find meaning in facing the gods and for many faith in one god then recently after the whole world is mapped when many of the old monsters and gods are laid to rest when we now know or at least many of us now know that to pray to the old gods for rain is is futile. We know that evil serpents won't stink our ships in the sea when rely more on science and human ingenuity to grow crops less on nature when many of us know that a vaccine will stop virus a lot more effectively. Than god's will we go back to the old question of. Why are we here now. For many of us is harder than ever to answer right. It's harder than ever to say. We'll because of god's plan by religious many of them still turn to god for meaning but in the twentieth and twenty four centuries there are less of the religious than probably ever before more and more turned to science for answers signs either. Can't give the answers. Old religions can or doesn't give us the answers. We want no heaven for the righteous. No hell for the wicked. So what's the fucking point. Two thousand nineteen gallup poll found over a third of americans. Thirty six percent not convinced that any sort of god exists about half of americans. Don't attend any type of religious service. I'm one of those of us. The growing number of us who are not drawn to religious doctrine to give our lives meaning again. What's the point. How do we find. Meaning and i said i'm one of them I think some got exists. I just don't go to religion for frankel. Founded this growing existential crisis led to more and more lives devoid of meaning and he called. What the collective body of these people now suffered from the mass neurotic try it. The mass neurotic triad composed people living lives based in other depression aggression or addiction or some combo of the three and frank came up with logo therapy to answer this to to solve the problem with this neurotic. Tried to help people find meaning so they could avoid depression aggression or diction he defined with airbnb considering man as a being whose main concern consists of filling in meaning an actualising values rather than in the mere gratification and satisfaction of drives and instincts. So how does one lead more filling life again. By pursuing meaning the pursuit of meaning according to franklin humanities driving force for a believed that the pursuit of pleasure was humanity driving force athere believed that the pursuit of power was the driving force according to franco when people fail to find meaning in their lives. then they turn continual pursuit of pleasure and or power to fill the void that an absence of meaning has left them then they fall into lives of addiction aggression or depression when they cannot fill that void with power and pleasure alone when frankel dibley a while frankly believed the ultimate meaning of life is unknowable. Frankel held the belief that each person has the opportunity to realize meaning in their life at a personal level and so doing would greatly improve the quality of their life. I talk about that. A noble part That resonates strongly with me a written on my right by separate awards embrace the darkness. Right my way of saint make your peace. With what is knowable. I choose not to pursue celestial answers. I choose to believe that the life beyond this one if there is one is a mystery. And that's okay just like no one can tell him with certainty that there is life beyond this one. No one can tell me for certain. There isn't a either for me that's enough. I've made my peace with that. I'm okay hoping that there are other worlds to explore. So that i can explore them with the ones i love. But if there isn't i won't be sad about it because i'll be dead and therefore unable to reflect on the loss of what might have been now for finding meaning on a personal level on that part Important else to add here. The frankel did not believe that it was up to each person to create this individual meaning rather he felt it needed to be discovered. And how does one discover their meaning. Franken believe that most change of attitude was required. He wrote we need to stop asking about the meaning of life and instead think of ourselves as those who are being questioned by life daily and hourly or answer must consist not in talk and meditation but in right action and right conduct. Life is old old. Emily means the responsibility to find the right answers to its problems and to fulfil the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual frankl stressed out as unique individuals meaning will present itself to different ways in different ways to each person. A love. this how. I find meaning is going to be probably different than how you find it early on my adult that i sought meeting through service i went into social work but found it unfulfilling. I couldn't help like i wanted to. I felt bound by regulations. Also didn't provide an outlet for something else i've also found meaning in artistic creation. I in college microfiche with music writing songs on the guitar. Then i found it through comedy. A collegiate sketch comedy troupe. I also in college and shortly after college attempted to find meaning through physical transformation. I went from being skinny in my opinion Physically weak which. I was insecure about to be much stronger and healthier through exercise died supplements but then once they hit a few fitness goals. Found this unfulfilling as well. I grew bored spending hours in the gym to maintain. I wasn't doing to inspire others. I was doing it just to to look good and i found that to be For me to self absorbing too self absorbed that i found stand up comedy a return to artistic creation. I found meaning sharing my creations jokes and stories with a live audience. Then i found meaning and career progression in comedy. How can i get more work better work. Can i impress my peers. It's an late night sets you know etc etc. But then after checking off some of those goals my career felt hollow. Why was i doing comedy to Just check off this random seemingly arbitrary to me. The time like checklist. Who's i tried to impress. Why would i try to impress. People in a fickle industry. What do they care about their opinions. Why wasn't doing it for myself. And the audience. Only i briefly got wrapped up and competitive with my peers. I wanted to be the best comic the most successful and i thought what does that end. What does that even mean to be the best in a creative highly subjective field. I realized that to get to more mainstream success. Oh have to change the type of comedy. I did probably be. You know the less dark lewis weird. And if i did that. So what was the point of even doing it. I got into it in the first place for creative expression Then i just wanted to be my best that gave me some meaning. The pursuit of creative excellence. I had kids divorced at financial responsibilities. People to provide for a being creative with the expense possibly of pain bills to me felt selfish so then i should my meaning to being a provider to try to make more money. I took production jobs on reality shows. I did not care about but they paid to java at playboy the paid really well You know even. Though i found it mentally creatively unfulfilling but held by our house and for that i was so grateful. Still him then. I started thinking if i only wanted to money. Why did they ever get into comedy in the first place. I should have pursued some type of corporate path early on then. I launch time suck. That was i tried to create something both fulfilling artistically and financially and and it worked out luckily led to other types of fulfillment. I never expected. Time was founded in so much meaning for me. I get to be I got to be comedic. And you know If it worked. I can make money but also get to be more than comedic while i love. Stand up comedy. I find it a bit too. Constrictive in some ways to focus all my energy into It's obviously only about being funny. There's very little room for getting for philosophizing for talking as i am doing right now Very funny episode about the meaning life. And i've always loved doing that as well. Some are most fun times in college. Well wasn't getting drunk and being a maniac. we're just staying up late and philosophizing with some friends. I was also the weird kid who loved to research papers led to learn new things. Still do this. let's do that. I find meaning and learning and improvement and when times like actually started to make money. I put all of my energy into it because i thought oh my god. This could be the thing that me the most meaning. I wanted to give it the best. Chance to be successful bend. The hours i spent on it still spend on it. If it didn't give me so much. Meaning it gives me so much fulfillment and i can still do standup someday Also now i can do another comedic podcasts. Like is you know is dumb Enjoy for the comedic escapism It provides time sick is also. Let me launch scared to death whore. Podcast is weirdly spiritual for me that also gives me meaning What if monsters are ghost exist. What if the real i hope. So because that means for me that god may exist alongside them some god-like creative energy beyond this world. I love a different form of storytelling. I find meaning and trying to become a better storyteller and providing happiness and sharing stories. The people enjoy and i'll talk more after i'm through with franco's local therapy about you know other media. I found doing what we do here. Bad magic productions. Such people's lives. I wanted to do a long time ago with social work type of service philanthropy and all of that in addition to trying to be good father. A good husband is how i find meeting. Try and set a good example for my children. Also gives me meaning to try to inspire them to pursue their own meaningful and fulfilling. Lives my wife. Lindsey very different. She finds meaning and destruction and being evil being a polish sociopath like many polls she finds manian. Doing things like eating innocent christian babies and sacrificing vulnerable lonely widows and widowers to the dark lord She finds meaning and pain and misery and wanton destruction and trying to burn down all good in the world. You know Jk gosh dang come on now My wife fall an excellent co host on scared to death while she loves it. She's an excellent office manager and more here bad measure productions. She finds most of the meaning in her life and providing care and service. Uh she finds meaning and making life a series of special memorable moments for the kids kinda monroe for me for so many family members and friends in for helping the less fortunate for doing charitable works. She finds meaning and bringing others joy and bringing joy to saw you know To what would otherwise be sorrow and making occasions memorable. She loves to do things. Like special note and cuyler monroe's lunchbox To make someone their favorite meal to drop off an unexpected special gift for a friend going through some rough times She finds meaning being the person. Someone can lean on count on if a family member sick. She's the first to offer to take care of them almost regardless of what it costs personally if a friend has lost someone. She's the one helping make funeral arrangements. If someone's down now she's the one giving them money. Whatever else they need. We met and she was in debt. She was the one bringing me over a bag of medicine and other medical aid to this idiot. When i'd likely broken my finger must who stubborn and go to the fucking doctor just thought you know Being in pain and living on aspirin for months on end was the best way to deal with And she knows she bought me. Stuff is really couldn't afford she. She loves to help those. She loves doing what she can to help. Those in the that service gives her life so much. Meaning i see it. I'm happy. I can work enough and You know unfortunate enough to to make some extra money to help her fund this type of caretaking Okay so back to franklin. And i'm sure you have you know obviously your own story and if you and if you don't if you don't know constantly you should think about it. What is it focused more on it back to franklin now franken believed the no matter what fate brought if we took appropriate action and adopted attitude situation a meaningful life could be realized embodied. The nazis took everything from him during world war two his career. Even though he got back they still took it. They took his unborn child. He took his young wife his brother. His brother's families lives because parents lives and they took the lives of others. I didn't even mention friends. Colleagues other family members aunts uncles cousins. The it's fucking town from him. Essentially they beat him degraded him starved him and still he finds meaning in his life. Even in the concentration camps he's still found moments to celebrate moments to laugh and smile and after the war he found joy again. He found love again. He found his smile again. I like to mentally compare his life to the lives of people. I used to see long montana avenue near the ocean. Santa monica very affluent. Little neighborhood one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the whole country. I would see as i worked on some. I dunno stand up bid. whatever. I'd watch incredibly affluent. I was assuming based on the cars very expensive cars. They were driving based on the type of homes nearby The closer wearing beautiful talented affluent healthy looking people who i doubt highly ever suffered anything like franklin and i think about the scowls i would see on there well lotion and cosmetically altered faces and i would. I would hear their petty complaints complaints. I considered petty Copy shops cafes. I remember the misery. They exuded some of them seem to have everything except meaning except purpose and without it they seem so unhappy to go back to his previous quote. I like how frankel individualize meaning. Here's another quote Of his about this. That i also love. He says to put the question of the meaning of life. In general terms would be comparable to the question posed to a chess champion. Tell me master. What is the best move in the world. There simply is no such thing as the best or even a good move apart from particular situation in a game and the particular personality of one's opponent the same holds for human existence. One should not search for an abstract of life. Everyone has his own specific vocation or mission in life to carry out a assignment which demands fulfillment so much fucking. Yes here. This reminds me of young comics. Asking me for some type of magical shortcuts to becoming a headliner success in comedy or if people get into podcast looking for some kind of magical shortcut to build an audience to become a little more successful or of old personal training clients lower. I worked at the gym looking for this magical secret to get in perfect shape success. Happiness meeting i. It's not one size fits all. There's no magic bullet right. Maybe you're destined for massive commercial success in your current career pursuit. Or maybe you're not. Maybe that's okay. Maybe you're not destined to look like you're supposed to be on the cover of muscle and fitness. And maybe that's okay. Maybe those aren't your pass to meaning. Maybe your path is to inspire others to be happy with bodies that aren't fully chiseled muscles. Maybe you're passes to be an entrepreneur or maybe it's to work for an entrepreneur right. Enjoy the you get with your family and friends not having to work insane hours. Maybe you're meaning is found learning a new language teaching it to others. Maybe in volunteering. It could literally be thousands and thousands and thousands of things so many places to find meaning Frankel writes it off in the best way to find your life. Meaning is to find a vocation. Best duty-free says vocation not specifically a job necessarily just something to focus your energy on he wrote nothing contributes more to the feeling of a meaningless existence than boredom and nothing counters board and better than having a specific mission to carry out one's life. Give yourself a mission. I love this. You ever met somebody who is You know really. Happy really seems very fulfilled who just sits around not working not helping others not pursuing any kind of passion project. I've literally never fucking met that person. I met some wealthy people. Some people living on trust funds who You know don't seem to be pursuing anything life with any real pasture determination who don't work Who don't have any you know. Volunteer service thing. They're willing to earn. Who aren't really helping a bunch of family members and they've never seemed happy to me. They've always seemed just depressed. Just listless just It's not a good look in my opinion. And i bet they would feel far less depressed and maybe probably really fucking happy if they threw themselves into something that gave their life meaning something they were passionate about. Give the life of purpose. Find that fucking meaning made sack nimrod. Safina assure me you'll be happier if you do jangled fines meeting kicking the shit out of communist triple finds meeting singing a beautiful route rock ballot. What is your meaning whereas it life will be better if you find it. Speaking towards this frank loved to quote nici. I love this quote. He who has a why to live for can bear almost any how yes find your why. What is the why in your life. That is the best way to fill your life with meaning. Find that thing that you can't wait to work to help with find that something or someone to love But what if. You can't find a vocation what if you are enslaved. Perhaps unjustly such as franco was in the concentration camps. What if you're diagnosed with a debilitating end or terminal illness. Frankel believed that even in those dire circumstances one still had the opportunity to find meaning he wrote we must never forget that we may also find meaning in life even when confronted with hopeless situation when facing a fate that cannot be changed for what then matters is to bear witness to the uniquely human potential at its best which is to transform a personal tragedy into a triumph. The turn predicament into a human achievement. When we are no longer able to change a situation we are challenged to change ourselves. I find so powerful. If you're dying. What can you leave behind to help others. If you're injured how can spire others. Who were injured as well. My grandfather just died literally just a few hours before this recording and he even as his body fails them even as he's lost the ability to walk to talk to do the things you used to do to love. She's still inspired still love. His family still found joy in being with his family. He didn't wall misery. His heart grew progressively weaker as cancer filled his lungs. He watched his great grandchildren play smiled. He encouraged others to live their lives to the fullest. He told me just a few weeks ago to enjoy my life. Last thing he said to me we spoke in person. He told me to take it for granted right to be there for my family. He taught me that to enjoy every moment. I could with him just like he had done. He cared so much for his family for literally. All is years and he left behind such a beautiful example for others to follow. He continued to find meaning. Has life right up until the end might even as as light faded. Love you pop award known in loving. You is give me a lot of meeting in my life last bits last bits now about franko i knew that was gonna be rough and the wrap up. Let me pass a bit more of this. Man's eternal wisdom la franken pointed out that during the formation of the lower therapy research indicating a strong relation between meaningless in criminal behaviors addiction depression or Sorry i miss the best sense a little bit but said if life has no value if it has no meaning no hope. Who do you care who you hurt. You know you can hurt yourself. Why not you have no value. You heard others. Rob rape-murder destroy abuse. Why not life has no value so neither does harm. Burn it all down. What a terrible mental space to live from frankel wrote without meaning people fill the void with hedonistic pleasures power materialism hatred boredom or neurotic obsessions and compulsions. Some may also strive for super meaning the ultimate meaning in life spiritual kind of meaning the depend solely on a greater power outside of personal external control and the pursuit of this meeting. I've been talking so much about frankel. Recommended three different courses of action. For finding it. Through deeds experience values through some kind of medium beauty through art love to relate to but cetera or through suffering while the third is not necessarily in the absence of the first two within franco's frame of thought suffering became an option through which to find meaning inexperienced values in life in the absence. Only of the other two opportunities import note suffering not to be pursued if anything else Is an option for frank. Joy could never be an end to itself. It was an important biproduct of finding meaning in life. He points to or pointed to studies where there was a a market difference in lifespans between task animals animals with a with a purpose and task klis jobless animals and yet is not simply a enough to have something to do. Rather what counts is the manner in. Which one does the work again. This all makes so much sense to me. His language is always translated from from german. So it's interesting. Sentence structure is a little bit like but thinking about mc someone sends me. If if you know. Like i i always felt that those who took pride in their jobs right How they cared about themselves in life in general always seems so much more fulfilled in happier to me than those who did not take pride in their jobs or their duties their service. Whatever right. it's just it's an attitude is a chain perspective of checked into a lot of hotels. Here's example. I've i've stared a lot of glossy eyed mouth bidders in the face as i've done so people who reek of apathy contempt for the job but sometimes it just feels like contempt for just life or latin life people who do not seem happy or fulfilled on any level. I've seen others working the same job making the same money. The same you know desk sometimes people at the same age sometimes a lot older. Very different vibe Twinkling there is smile on their face. You can tell. They've made a choice to make the best of their time. Right there. happiness in it's infectious close Maybe more put together. Their overall hygiene is better. They they just look like they have more fucks to give and they seem so much more fulfilled and i do know that sometimes the unhappy person just dealing with a lot actually ship behind the scenes but also sometimes they're just not making the right choices choices i do believe they could make they could actively pursue meaning and whatever their lot in life is and they choose not to. Why right if you're gonna show up the same fucking place and work the same job. Can you not shift your perspective. At least attempt to make it more. Manageable may make it more bearable choice. Lot here intentionally. I'm not a determinist and not someone who subscribed to the doctrine that all events including human action awesomely determined by causes external to the will. I believe in free will baby hail nimrod. I do buy into that. Free will of course impaired by socioeconomic political environmental circumstances immortal be sure Free limited by physical and mental disabilities in some cases of course realized that free will for someone who is physically disabled and growing up in abject poverty in monrovia liberia. It's gonna look differently than than will is going to look for someone. Growing up in affluence in peak physical health and like beverly hills or montana avenue but still within the parameters of each person's own individual situation some free will exists even if he can always just thought if your body's completely paralyzed you know your mind works. Can you not choose what to think about. Franken was a big guy. Frontal saw our ability to respond to life and to be responsible to life is a major factor in finding meaning therefore fulfillment in life in fact he viewed his responsibility to be the essence of existence. He believed that humans not simply the product of hereditary and our heredity skews environments in that they had the ability to make decisions and take responsibility for their own lives. This third element of decision is what franken believed made education so important he felt that education must be education towards the ability to make decisions take responsibility and then become free to be the best person you decide to be critical thinking education. I think he would've been a time. Suck some level. I don't know that he would have loved my humor. I'm thinking strongly. Wouldn't i think you would love the the message underneath and to discuss his believe further. Now feels you know. I believe it over a lot of his point already. I don't need to belabor over the clinical applications of local low with. I think you get it. It's really pretty simple. What leaves you feeling fulfilled. What gives meaning to your life philanthropy random acts of kindness creation. You enjoy working with wood metal. You wanna work in. Construction built homes or offices or cupboards or decks. Or whatever you know fill you Does helping men someone's broken bones are treating their cancer fulfil you with that give your life meaning is working as a caretaker fulfil you helping a sick relative neighbor. Need helping the spouse objected teach volunteer. You wanna paint alone garden alone or play music with others. Only know right is money. What you crave time. time with. Whom do crave pushing your physical limits. It's so very important. I feel to think about all this. You only have so much time. How do you want to spend it now if you don't want to. If you don't get to spend it how you how you want. If you're trapped a job you hate for whatever reason. How can you make your peace with that and find meaning elsewhere. Can you find meaning through suffering. Can you inspire others by your toughness. Your bravery grit. How can you make the most of your talents and circumstances. And how much happier will you be if you do that. If you're not doing it already all right Now let me segue from that to To what's going on here. Measure productions after quick sip water. So fucking dry here. Time of year like drink feel like a thousand glasses of water today for about three months in the in the just the climate. Just sucks out of your body Yeah i want to try and talk about you know we've made the most of a strange internally ear how I found more meaning than i expected. Out of my life During this pandemic at this same time last year. What i now find. Hilarious is how great touring looked. Thanks largely to this podcast fans coming out to see live shows twenty twenty standup toxic thoughts towards looking amazing gonna hit hawaii for the first time we were lining up shows in london. I was fucking stoked We all my favorite markets in us lined up as bringing my own opening acts to all the venues ticket. Sales were strong of the deals. I had with venues. Thanks to my agent the most lucrative of my career. I was count my chickens before they were hatched. Twenty twenty marked by twentieth anniversary and stand up for two months mid january through mid march. It was going the best by far it had ever gone. I was selling out nearly all my club. Dates having to add shows in some markets That was that was fun right. Hail fina hell nimrod show so fond rooms novelist strangers but full of fans the most ever. I was booked to perform randomly former former at at dallas cowboy. Starting quarterback tony romo's fortieth birthday party and texas mansion but that was hilarious and that was exciting. My dad thought that was pretty amazing to he was he was. He was gonna pay pretty well. Like allow you linden. I made plans for some pretty elaborate family vacations overseas in the summer. We're gonna take the kids to spain. Everything was looking fucking amazing. The best ever looked then a pesky. Little virus started to show up across the pacific. My last weekend shows made fun of it. I thought oh it's gonna be another flu. Yeah some are going to die. That's tragic but also you know guess is part of life blah blah blah. I thought it was going to blow over. So did my agent. I thought science is gonna shut it all down so quick. How very wrong. I was at first. After shows in nashville and huntsville mid-march we just cancelled a few of the next week's shows as the virus. Fizzle i read. Let's let runs course Then we don't told myself tours. Come back in a month or two ban. Maybe three months tops major. I talked a few times a week. Doubt lapointe Or talking if week lindsey. You know who who's working on my road manager. She would talk even more my agent and then we started to talk less and less often as things look worse and worse going into april. It was lots of all right. Let's move this date to here in the state there. We'll you know we'll have a busy fall will still hit all the days. But the then cases started exploding more people expect to start a dine. Mandated closure started having with more frequency at several points. Virtually no comedy clubs in the country open no theaters. No rock close either. The situation started to look like it was going to last for a lot longer than i expected. I was in shock a little bit. I always knew that. I wouldn't tour forever. You know I always thought of myself. Humor will fall out of fashion Ticket sales drab dark sense of humor will finally get them real trouble with cancel culture never in a million years expect a possibility of a fucking pandemic never crossed my mind i once it was so surreal to watch not just my tour but all the comedy tours all the tours just come to a grinding halt a supposed to run the jewels rage against the machine. Everybody was fucking michael. Mcdonald's saw to watch these industries just like shut down entirely basically pretty. Soon agents saying i'll it's like you know towards shut down till the fall and then it was torn soccer be happening again until twenty twenty one. Now it's gotten back and for now we talk every few months The best tour ever over shortly after began some clubs worst dane open still but i just i can't stand up here and there like that some people can. I need to perform often to feel any sort of rhythm. Onstage not embarrassed myself anymore than i would naturally do In order to develop new material. And i didn't wanna spreading kobe further or to get myself out during the road be quarantine stranded away from my family for two weeks. Not be able to podcast you in the sucked sucked under for two weeks or start hating standup. you know. Start hitting the shows. Because i'm performing in front of small. Socially distance crowds wearing masks You know who you can't see their faces to read the body language. They're having a good time or not. You know people maybe people nervous that the the fucking waitress just coughed sounded terrible to may so many things to consider Decided to pour everything. I had into podcasting and just put stand up on. You know he's gonna never gone as like nope just going to not think about it until it's all over or tells winding down and then for a moment stay podcasting looked if he has well giving the behind the scenes info now When kobe really hit the us and settled in in back in mid to late march the podcast took a huge hit. A a lot of people weren't commuting to work anymore. They're working at home now. By time. Right a lot of people were not watching content instead of listening to it and especially have really a reverend stuff now. Maybe they can listen to it in the shop or whatever but not so much around. The kids industry-wide listenership dropped about twenty percent. Twenty twenty five percent sponsors pulled back ads. Everyone's like what the fuck is going on. What's going to happen. There was hold on to their money. Pay subscription started slowing way down. Initially lindsey i definitely worried about the year going forward But also after touring for so many years gotta say. I was really happy to get to spend so much time with family guilt. Free a spent more time at home this past year than i have in two decades. My kids school in shifted to at home instead of in the classroom. And i it. I'm glad we started going on hikes. Lots of hikes by rides fishing. All that shit. I never had time to do. And i was touring fantastic. Made a conscious effort to soak it in Knowing that it's not gonna last forever you know but can't do anything else. all right. this is a new reality. this is the new normal enjoyed for what it is. Make the most of this not no point thinking about that because just not here anymore The summer my grandma got sick. You know that was terrible. But at least i got to be there for more than i would have if i would have been touring. That's very special to me. What a blessing to be able have done that work wise. I decided you some extra time at home to do things with podcasting. Didn't have time to do before. We prepped launches. We dumb by comedy. Podcasts joe paisley. It's really been scratching the itch. I missed with not performing standup Doesn't take place exactly but it's so much fun joe's in such a great job taking the reins on that one. It's been fun to watch also started spending a lot more time working on scared to death with my wife. Lindsey the new horror podcasts. We launched in the fall of two thousand. Nineteen you know finally Had time once a pandemic struck two to really dig into stories. More than i had time to before trying to develop my voice as a as a teller of scary tales and is fun to really get dig in and work with my wife and partner in crime right to bring her into my creative world that much further and she's fucking killing him so proud of her nor performance or storytelling background at all. She's in such an amazing job. While also ran our home lives so thankful to build a really see the work she puts in now them home. You know thankful to be able to focus more on the show with her this year. We also had timed line of cross promotions market. Scared to death that we wouldn't have had time to before that started to help. The audience grow then as it started to grow. Caught the attention of some people in spotify put on this Popular horror playlist to that placement. Our audience ended up doubling in six months Got some cross promotions as well very grateful to be able to help steward that somewhat and be home more for that also started hosting incredible fee for the podcast network or par par cast podcast network. This year would not have had time with san do that and in being able to do that. I've learned so much more about podcasting. How to run a podcast network if that ever becomes reality You know made relationships with some people as spotify other platforms. Podcast has been really great to work with all the time to launch a patriot. Scared to death or give more money to charity More income to do projects here to invest in the business Able to produce a horror movie club now. This looks awesome with logan keith We published a collection of fan submitted. Horror stories this year would not been able to do that. Had the pandemic not happened. Because logan and keith moved out here to You know work with us more closely. Also because of the pandemic and were instrumental in getting that book launched Because of the pandemic while listenership initially went down online merchant sales went up because we share profits with emerged team. You know the sales going up. Allow them to move out here. Allowed them to drop other clients. Moved out from indiana to idaho again. That doesn't happen with touring i will. you know. they wouldn't have been the incentive for them to really work on projects with me because the best tour ever had by far was completely cancelled. New opportunities arose and we were able to take advantage of them. And it's a really really paid off double down on podcasting Now as an eighteen months after having only this podcast and companion patriots podcast. It goes wizard secret. Suck will now. We have a whore. Podcast scared to death. Superfund growing comedy podcasts. We dumb and that spotify original credible feats and Yeah yeah it's fun to like. Have time to think about all this about where this may go to. Maybe try and get it there You know it's been really fun. This year to be able to launch new projects and hope they would stick and to see that they have stuck to various degrees. So so thank you. Thank you for turning. What for a moment look like a fuck. This is the worst To what's really been like the best. You know year in some ways and i think you part of the reason that's happened also to is just choosing to find meaning something else i think. I think frank would've would've liked mental transition. I made where i watched some friends get really you know just Stuck on like fucking angry about like fucking up. God dammit fuck. I felt those emotions too. But i just realized they don't. They don't go anywhere. You can be angry all day but it's not going to change anything. So what if you just you know. Change your mindset. Be like okay. I can't do this. What else can i do. And then pull the energy put into the thing that you can't do into the thing that you can and see what happens And thanks for letting that energy you know mean something for listening Two thousand and twenty one. What are plan for two thousand twenty one here. Bad measure productions refinement. This year was all about launching. New shows getting things you know out there next week. It's about making things better. You know How can we keep this all going to think about every aspect how i work out more to have more energy to do these shows to be happier and healthier and make better shows you know to to learn some some new business skills to become a better boss to refine the production downloaded some project management software. Never thought i would spend the money on that before now. Want to become proficient with it. we're rebranding a bit gonna gonna have the website for all three podcast. We produce under a new bad magic productions website. That'll be something to be at least working on in two thousand twenty one. I'll be working on rebranding the time suck up into the bad magic app. Know each show can have a sub menu. Still don't know what's going on with standup so why not focus more on what's going on here and also this is now transition to my main thing which is weird to say. Standard will be my job. When i can do that again. Also want to write a novel. I don't know if i'll finish it in two thousand twenty one but going to work on it. You know scared to death growing has made. That seem like something. That's reasonable to do not just a a vanity project but something that's a good business decision as well Currently trying to get two weeks ahead on all the shows in order to be able to carve out the energy and time needed to market shows. That sounds working towards Stand up comes back. I do want to do it again. And i want to appreciate it like never before not take it for granted also not do too much of it. Burnt myself out Want want to remember how has been to be at home in the blessings. Been to be with my family more and make sure i don't get greedy and just do bunch of dates because i'm able to do them and lose time at home with the kids before they leave for college and all that I'm proud of how hard we worked to to grow the business this year. time when a lot of other shows saw their numbers go down. We're able to lease. Keep our numbers even on shows or grow them actually we. We grew on all the shows somewhat never missed a show all year. That was an easy when we all got cova but we did it last week. Show might have came out a day early happy holidays from the script keeper but you know shows released a day late and we did get lucky in that regard somewhat to you know we never got to six where we just couldn't do it but we did have some weeks where we had to work really hard. Pull a lot of long hours to make sure everything came out and wasn't just shit We had a trivia game to the to the app this year. That was exciting. A fun to do so proud of. How many are excited you. How many people you know. Play it it's that's very fun How had the app is progress. You know the ability to search and sort episodes and everything else has come on with the app this year so proud of the online communities growth this year almost twenty five thousand in the cult of the curious facebook group now almost doubled in size up from just under fifteen thousand last year at this time on youtube we tripled our numbers this year when from having around twenty thousand subscribers the bad magic channel two under just under sixty thousand now We also added roughly four thousand spaces. The patriot ranks. We have over a thousand animals. Now will run scared to death you know. And that's allowed us to get into like reinvest in infrastructure. Hopefully do some cool things going forward. Hopefully get our own spot eventually an own and not lease and also gives so much to charity. That has been really found a lot of meaning in that this year. one of my favorite things about twenty twenty is what we've been able to do that way last year in two thousand nineteen donate a little over thirty thousand dollars charities. It was huge. We were so pumped I'd hoped to donate. I'd set a goal of donating over fifty thousand and twenty twenty. And we've fucking crush that goal. This is so cool. Putting this together Hail nimrod for for us be able to do this. Because of your guys support you meets acts. Four thousand dollars in january was donated. Tim tvos night to shine providing an unforgettable evening for those with physical and cognitive special needs. Or you know or Ages fourteen older forty two hundred dollars to equal justice initiative in february dedicated to free wrongfully incarcerated. Inmates forty eight hundred march to the martin. Richard foundation advancing the values of inclusion kindness justice and peace named after one of the victims young victims of two thousand thirteen boston marathon bombing. Five thousand april two meals on wheels there cove nineteen response fund. Keep an older vulnerable american safe and fed during the pandemic fifty four hundred in. May two penn. Fed helping veterans realized financial opportunities instability. Fifty eight hundred in june to the alzheimer's association working on cheering ending alzheimer's. In the meantime improving the lives of its victims. Sixty one hundred in july to the innocence project providing lawyers with the funds to exonerate wrongly convicted The means to reform the criminal criminal justice system in the us sixty six hundred in august. The ywca idaho county fund providing idaho county victims of domestic violence with the means to free themselves and their children from abusive relationships. And that's already helped so many women and their families a seven thousand dollars in september two the s. be providing hurricane relief to those on or near the louisiana coastline rebuilding homes businesses providing food other essentials. More seventy two hundred dollars in october two girls in the no providing st louis area girls with empowerment and confidence to lead full and fulfilling lives. Ten thousand in november. Two the veterans pantry. All right serving those who've served In northwestern montana a food bank so much more and then in december forty one thousand dollars to the giving tree. The cult of the curious giving tree eighty cult curious families given over forty thousand dollars worth of gifts to make their twenty twenty holidays a whole lot brighter. Holy shit and hail altogether. We more than doubled the goal. A hundred and seven thousand one hundred dollars donated by mad bad magic productions twenty twenty now to be fair in december fifteen without our fifteen thousand that came directly additional donations from listeners. But still we don't need to so much more than we thought we would end. That's the most special part of the nice donation to me that extra fifteen from from the listeners. That money made a huge difference in a lot of people's lives in twenty twenty We hope to do more. Twenty twenty one. I hope we can donate over one hundred and fifty grand and and i know that in order to do that i gotta keep making fun. Shows that we all have to hear Keep making good content make better content. That's we hope to do. That's what gives my life. A lot of meaning is just trying to get better doing something that a lot of people find a lot of meeting of all the messages we've gotten from listeners. It's about how much this show and the others have meant to them the tough times they've gone through and how this has been a wonderful escape. I wanna make it a better escape You know seeing the communities online grow where you see people who are moving and can't afford to move and some domestic violence situation in another time. Lets them stay at their place until things get better or donating to each other's gofundme campaign says it's fucking amazing. I love it to keep spiraling out in two more facebook groups. Were other people or helping each other. I love that. Because i feel like it can outlast this show these shows Friendships will will go on. you know. We talked about the butterfly effect earlier. The butterfly effect. This show is becoming a men's and now there's people who are who are friends because they used to listen to show even if they don't anymore. And i love that. I love that it's already for some people outlasting the show and hope to create a lot more of that now. Let's have a little little goofy fun and talk about the jokes face monsters characters who some of the favorites from twenty twenty the ones that seem to land the hardest with the cult of the curious I think the first little joke the kind of stuck based on emails we've gotten Was calling randy. Weaver the star of the ruby ridge suck from february seventeen at episode one. Seventy handy randy. It's pretty fun handy randy. Making the boys feel dandy handy randy you just have to give candy Silly goofy the got a lot of laughs Just episodes later we had noodle mic dry my nickname for domestic terrorist. Timothy mcveigh the oklahoma city bombing. Sock episode one one from our second seemed land as well definitely fun to say the nation of galway episode. Twenty two for march ninth definitely had fun with the fake sponsor pussy blower prenatal on born suffocating or strangling young baby lifesaving auction womb emergency resuscitation that one based on co-leader y'all been you always Insane teachings to female followers that they could save choking unborn babies still in their rooms by blowing into their mothers the justice. Which of course is not something anyone should do does not work and it can cause them kinda embolisms. Don't don't do that The whole air banjo you know sponsored. Some shows the twenty twenty special in the first half of the year. Maybe my favorite sponsorship was from the bob yoga suck episode one three for march sixteenth. Two thousand and twenty remember the witcher earworm many of you couldn't get out of your head for days at theme song ta su con to your wicha all valley you've plan the overly you've planned the who whole toss corn to your witcher valley playing Yeah one you're have stuck in your head now. We did a little air badger with that which was a good time. A coin to plinking blanket. Doing thank thank. Thank thank thank. Thank thank thank. Thank thank thank. Thank thank thank thank bang bang. Bang bang tang dumb rank. Don't think tank you remember that. You're there started singing it again. Katie song. I knew what i was doing i was like. Why are you saying again not playing and playing it. On april six there was a sex suck most voted for topic by our space lizards. Ever hailu safina learn so much that one these di- did you may learn more about me than you ever wanted to anybody. Captain whisker horn pony. Play lady. horse. Sas barilla's spunk. Meister and then the very next week. During the bobadilla butcher suck time suck was sponsored by captain whisker horns pony play emporium tax shop and salary parody partners and ponies. Good buddy tom anderson aka captain whisker warm br della what a fucking monster that dude was met a lot of monsters and twenty twenty five dunkin. Pol pot Doctor harold shipman leonard. Lake charles in your crawl in more just in the first half of the year by the egyptian gods suck on june twenty-ninth suck when ninety eight time suck was being sponsored by crawls cafe mulch shop onto close cassese. That's always be. i promise. I love that little red before we met. I am we met justin. And taylor hells or the children of thunder able twenty seven suck episode one eighty nine. We learn show much. Math can really spice up already. Insane tale i wanna stat. Tiny little colty had in the craziest cult plot recruiting brazilian orphans to trade as assassins and then have them take out. The mormon president overthrow lds church leadership and replaced with themselves and the two hundred episode back in july thirteenth west mesa bone collector shrooms and doomed that i can still read my note for the most part with a lot of magic mushrooms. Bending the monitor in front of me and make me feel the most piece. The most at peace i felt all year i love what day recording was followed by an afternoon split between hot tub in the hammock out in the backyard and maybe an hour spent you know joyfully. Picking up dog shit Listening to tool on repeat and accepting my own eventual death nine. Getting great few weeks later had way too much fun painting roy. Disney walt's brother as an evil mother killing psychopath in the walt disney sucked back on august tenth. Roy natural born killer disney Two episodes prior to roy. We sucked one of my favorite topics of the year. But what my favorite topics ever so bananas. The tony susan llama colt cult cult cult. Right there fucking. Jean jackets auction there. All right everybody can. Hundred told jacket on the board opening price hundred dollars. It's got gotta bald eagle airbrushed over the head and of gaul da. Pink rhinestone down the sleeves. Find the devil own across the back. God's warrior airbrushed across the front page jewel. Perfect place by stephen smell of fear hands credit by those who felt the end was near fifty percent. Innovative in a fire and brimstone going once going twice. That was fun. It was weird. We got real weird with the skin. Walker ranch suck episode tool five Back in august. Terry sherman and terry sharon as crazy as fake skin walker Supposedly firsthand wolf counter. Before terry shout out the creature stuck it's monsters out to the bars of the castle pen and clamped his powerful jaws so the head of the caf to gripping the calf head with his long jagged teeth. The creature began attempting to pull the baby cows at the ball. That screamed in pain. Terry ran to the cattle. As he reached the creature he delivered several blows with his fists to the beasts. Ribcage knighted Terry he really went full. Slap salmon punch without a little took a little far in sucked seven From august thirty first we met the vampire of sacramento richard chase. Holy shit such nightmarish combination of mental illness and of Well evil and more interesting. Maybe the chase and that episode shrubs. Lots We learned about those trump's so sneaky home records just waited a bush trying to fuck your husband The following episode planking again in the title titanic suck. Oh my god and we also met. Dj iceberg in so big. Yeah that's just the tip. jj iceberg. Maybe maybe my favorite button. The joe is ever made Then there was. The american rights suck episode to nine september fourteenth easily. The most polarizing suck. We've done a good reminder for me that if you try and tackle an extremely polarizing and emotional issue topic bound to get polarizing emotional feedback but glad we did. It can't get better if you don't challenge yourself. Don't take risks. Push yourself past comfortable from time to time All say on that one. After a few months to reflect was with the time. I had. I do think dentist which i could have spent more time in the back. Half to be sure but misfires were made to lack of effort that up so did i'm grateful. It made me really reflect a lot about justice in america. I'm glad for it made me reflect on how differently america can look to you based on your background skin color. The neighborhood you live in who you've met along your way. Lot of valid arguments heard on both sides of the issue on that one. We return to cult cult colts in september. Twenty eight emmanuel david cult suck episode to eleven dude really loved his socks zero time. Time is brought to you by manual davis house of god and sucks your annual. David's house had gotten socks. We have everything you need to keep those feet warm clean and heavenly will all kinds of cotton socks polish socks and wool socks for the more adventures. We have deer skin lot of her high skin socks for the really adventurous. Like live a little more. Fabulously we have silver sox. Solid gold sox albino tiger height socks. Even bald eagle feather socks and for the most adventures. We have leeman labia socks blood. Diamond sox stem cell sox. Dead puppy socks even super soft human. Fore skin sucks celery sacks blowout sale in october we learned that hollow earth may big wackadoo and flat authors met keys for nearly and his nexium colt and met the good god amway hails a good god amway maker of quality multipurpose and affordable laundry detergent few weeks later we met the bloody benches and the november sixteenth episode. Suck to eighteen. Never met a family that loved hammer and folks to death more than those tiny cabin dwellers and then we got a you know. Pretty nice sponsor following episode taps brought to you by the bender one-stop hammer shop located in downtown jerry. Bell kansas the five thousand square feet recently remodeled an updated bender one-stop hampsh- facility is every kind of hammer imaginable. Get on in here and get hammered and the vendor wants out here shop tiny cabin all that nonsense without one the week before the bloody benders in the 'nigma suck Crypto zoologist david. Hatcher childress showed up Maybe i don't know a bit too much professor on david children's here very confused. Mild math talk. We'll telling her soon how this release you. Finding bigfoot or perhaps wolves Or to the giant stone balls often associated with ancient alien. Sorry erupted would just be easier to focus on these numbers in the code jabirjabir if e could explain how would lead you say capturing a unicorn or the belarusian sky squid or even a bugbear. Ah yes yes. I can't hold on my questions to until after class. Just a few weeks ago on november twentieth. We met incubus. Robert ben rhodes truckstop killer. Which really became a media. Sam-suk shemit yourself to the armed binders and dungeon arms in my bedroom. Second on the hallway and the right across from the guest bath. I will shortly. I suspension in submission training. Or maybe i'll take my time slave carve your safe word into the wall and prepare for sexual engine and then just last week in the craigslist killer suck. We met spokane air twain right. Never forget spokane area. Dwayne and his offer of free oral pleasure. You provide the ride. He provides well the dwayne and then there was this chantelle castle flying snakes. That was pretty fun. So many cares. Vague ed's Fun and interesting topics in twenty twenty. This pacers melted my mind with the diverse sock. And may i got lost in russia's wild ninety s and the super killer alexander's sola knicks. Suck so much fucking chuck norris on that one learn more in a week and i didn't entire year of high school biology and the pandemic suck and march the us civil war ivan. The terrible genghis khan alexander the great somewhere. Fun historical sucks. Any oakley was inspiring. The columbine massacre was depressing. Interesting bruce lee's tale was amazing general but naked terrifying and a good reminder to appreciate where you live if you don't live in a war torn nightmare iberia in the nineties and there were so many other engrossing stories so many wonderful update sending by meet sacks just like you. Thanks for for letting us into your lives. Thank you for listening. Thank you for buying a shirt or a ticket to a live show. You may have not been able to attend. Thank you for telling a friend about time. Sock thank you for a living or leave a rating or review. Thank you for subscribing on patriot. Thanks for sticking around. During a really volatile and polarizing year. I'm so happy to suck survived. Made it through relatively unscathed so lucky cancel culture not shut us down yet. May the informative fund continue in twenty twenty one. Long live the suck time now for today's top five takeaways time away number one. Fuck hitler his idiotic. And anti-semitic ideology brought nothing good to the world. He brought hate stupidity. He brought wanton destruction to the lives of those superior to him. Victor frankl from whom he took about all a man can take but can have taken from him outside of his life number two logo therapy. The psychological principals brought forth by frankel based primarily in three tenets. Life has meaning under all circumstances. Even the most miserable ones are main. Motivation for living is our will to find meaning in life. We have freedom to meeting and what we do what we experience or at least in the stands we take when faced with a situation of changeable suffering find that meaning made sack find your wide number three auschwitz one point one million lives exterminated in just one camp in just one war. Almost seven hundred lives taken on average everyday continuously for four and a half years and one of them was victor's mother. The woman who saying him songs to help him sleep is child number. Four over fifty years. Frank lived on after the war which ended when he was forty and left him without a wife without a job without a home without parents without most of his friends he lived on for another fifty years after that remarried how to child wrote books found meaning and helping others with his message of hope. And if that doesn't inspire you. I do not know what the fuck will number five something new. I want to leave you with a few. My favorite frankel quotes from man's search for meaning that i very meaningful to me. The first everything can be taken from a man but one thing the last of the human freedoms to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances to choose one's own way in any set of circumstances love that. Here's another one living as if you were living already for the second time and sorry live as if you were living already for the second time in as if you would acted the first time as wrong as you are about to act. Now be conscious of your life right. Think about the choices that you're making and now a final quote. The pessimist resembles a man. Who observes with fear and sadness that his wall calendar from which he tears. Daily sheet grows thinner with each passing day on the other hand. The person who attacks the problems of life actively is like a man who who removes each successive leaf from his calendar and files at neely and carefully away with predecessors ever. I having jotted down a few diary notes on the back. He can reflect with pride and joy and all the richness. Sit down and these notes and all the life he has already lived to the fullest. What will it matter to him if he notices that he is growing old. Has he any reason to envy. The young people whom he sees or waxed nostalgic over his own lost youth. What reasons has he. Nba young person for the possibilities at a young person has the future which is in store for him. No thank you he will think. Instead of possibilities i have realities in my past. Not only the reality of worked on of loved loved but of sufferings restaurants suffered these sufferings are even the things of which i am most proud although these are things which cannot inspire envy rest in peace viktor frankl and rest in peace word whole grandfather. Who lives in his way life to the fullest as well. Take away the twenty twenty rap. The viktor frankl episode has been sucked the rap recap all twenty twenty Thank thank you again for being on this right. Thank you to the bad magic productions team for all the help and making times like every week. Keep me saying bad magic. Lynn comments reverend. Dr joe pays descript keepers. Act flannery the facts or sorceress. Soviet evans logan keith. Art warlock run bad magic merge dot com and the socials again a The new and improved customer service. Email if you have problems with anything. Merch related store at bad. Magic productions dot com. Thanks to all those who have joined the cult of the curious private facebook group almost twenty five thousand members in there. Now we'll continue to make time such a community. Not just the podcast hell nimrod to you. Thank you ms hernandez all seen is running the cult to the curious facebook page. Megan how elliot darlene danny ryan robbie jacob kerry kaley fitzpatrick. Jeffrey adam gustafsen kathleen sailor or solar and chilly. Aniston beefsteak the mod squad jesse becky and cody. Running wild on dischord and thanks to all the spaces who played the time so trivia portion of the app this year bodey to ten leading round six four thousand five hundred ninety eight points. Weldon bodey thanks. Endless earned is for helping us with You know not just the coach serious facebook private group but also with the socials. What episode are we gonna dive into two kickoff twenty twenty one next week on times as devoting spaces have decreed. We're going to head back to world. War two touchdown. Today can touch on next week. So many inspirational tales from that time. Truly an era where people called onto display enormous strength and bravery some of the bravest for the navajo code talkers. the navajo. dockers took part in every assault. Us marines conducted in the pacific from nineteen forty two tonight and forty five serving in all six marine divisions. These brave meets sacks transmitted messages by telephone and radio in a code based in the navajo language. The japanese never broke. They could translate three lines of english. In twenty seconds beating out code translating machines that took up to a half an hour that time was crucial and the navajo codebreakers understood that. If they messed up mistranslated or held up a message people could die. They knew that they were working against a ruthless enemy. The japanese imperial navy. That would sooner commit suicide and give up. This wasn't even the first time indigenous languages were used to encrypt. Messages will learn about the talk about that. It all started back in the way back in world war one. Afterwards germany and japan even send students to the us to learn indigenous languages case. They were ever used again but they didn't learn. Navajo was too complicated. An oral language with complex grammar and syntax. The very small number of non navajo speakers was perfect for a code and the navajo code talkers made that many of those soldiers carry memories of being forced to attend boarding schools where they were punished for. Speaking their mother tongues the us had tried to stamp out indigenous languages for decades before world war. Two lucky for them. It didn't work unlikely for them. The the navajo codebreakers didn't hold a grudge strong enough to to not help with the war effort tune in next week for an inspiring tale and now head on over to this year's final time sucker updates times let's open up on some squirrel face kind of you heard me. Squirrelly sucker calico gate opening these updates strong writing subject facebook by squirrel. Listen here fucker. Just finished up the general buck naked episode and. I just want to tell you. Don't you dare say nobody ever needed saving from a squirrel. I did when i was young. Kid let me start by saying summer. After summer i'd watch. My grandfather tend to his vegetable garden. Feed various small wildlife by hand. Squirrels included so one day. He was a beautiful summer day. And i decided to try feeding the squirrel because i love wildlife patiently waited for some time with some peanuts in my hand when i realized i couldn't stop myself from eating them and then i decided to place them on top of my shoes to keep me from moving and eating the peanuts after another hour so i finally see a squirrel scooting down a tree and prancing throughout yard. I could barely contain my excitement. Enjoy thinking oh my god. It's happening a few minutes. Go by and little guys getting closer and closer and finally finds the peanut on my shoe almost in tears of joy. I watched a little bastard. Pickup the peanut sniff. It look straight into my eyes and throw it on the ground. He then started running off and up a tree at this point. My tears of joy turned into tears of anger. And i picked the peanut and i ran the tree. I'm trying to feed you. Why would you be my peanut. Miguel squirrel i hear a screech. And the fucking asshole jumps on my face and scratches the shit on my face then runs off iran inside tell the various adults nearer including my parents grandparents aunts and uncles who then proceeded to laugh hysterically at me so dan. You're dead wrong when say nobody needs saving from a squirrel. So i guess i didn't get actually. I didn't actually get facebook by squirrel but one definitely dance. One definitely danced on the tears of ruined of my ruin childhood dreams. Hope you enjoy the laugh at my expense. I guess this point should tell you how i love the show a longtime listener to the podcast and your comedy. Yada yada yada. This actually makes it on an update of hope. It brings some laughter. Yep and could you do me a favor and give a shout out to my buddy j just founded. His pregnant wife is having a baby girl. He's also my co host and a podcast. We have called beer. Tasters anonymous him. I just try new beers every week and play games and some trivia and talk about the beer. Sorry for self promoting but he's listeners. Thanks for all you do my man. You're loyal squirrel. Hater kyle colgate. Yes just the toothpaste. No relation kyle. Thank you for the good in sir. Your line of one definitely danced on my tears of ruined childhood. Dreams kill me Congrats on the podcasts. And jay fellow beer. Taster congrats on the baby girl. Best local podcast and hope. You aren't attacked by squirrel but you are attacked. Do hope it literally fucks your face be really great to hear that story. Next up. safety. Safe sucker brent. Olmert has a message to another sucker. Who recently had update read on the show coach. The curious looking out for each other brennan writes ashley. Subject of asking the lung cancer survivor. Please give my info. good afternoon. I heard ask you the non-smokers lung cancer story on the time sucker updates and it sounds eerily like most rate on induced lung cancer stories. Stories are often hear my line of work since denominate on please please please. Four my contact information along to her. I would like to send her a test kit free of charge. I liked her to rule out rate on so no one else in our household has to go through what she went through. She's not alone over. Twenty two thousand americans die each year. Tens of thousands of mortgage sick never knowing it was the air inside their homes rate on his the number one cause of lung cancer among people who never smoke my free informational pages are rate unreality dot com radon dot com if anyone in the suck and you never need to let me know thank you for sending those ones before we're good I don't make any money on them. I just want people to be safe and be able to sleep with peace of mind. Keep on talking. You guys wanna share the love with my fellow time suckers and give back to the time of year. Merry christmas happy. New year started a spaniel and nimrods honors the clock strikes midnight. And the prophecies fulfilled brent overt. Thank you brent. i forty your email to ashley. I appreciate that you are concerned. And they provide you cool service ta you know it makes me. Think back into viktor frankl. Thanks for writing such a meaningful service. I can hear your passion. I read your message him. Nimrod now shout out request from sweetest sucker brooklyn hodge who writes. Dear masters tucker. My husband is the ultimate time sucker. He lives. He's listen to every episode since the first has since converted me and even his mother a difficult feat if you knew her he had a hard time listening because we both bought tickets for sucks giving and didn't realize we'd missed until the next day. It was especially busy weekend for us. We're both going back to college. Is our first semester back. We have three kids. I'm sure you know how much time they suck. yep it would mean the world to me and to him if you receive some sort of communication from you i understand. This is the busiest time of year especially for the master soccer who bears the burden of leading his own curious. Further and further down the rabbit hole the random topics. My husband doesn't know that. I have decided to contact you. So i Surprise message to share with him would be fantastic. And i'm hoping reignite desire to keep on sucking Message finds you your family and the whole time team. Well lots of love for all of you. Humble wife of a time suck fanatic. It's very nice brooke. Thank you we are well. I appreciate you and the family listening now husband of brook. Don't worry about sucks giving anymore right. Don't forget about. It was the best show i've ever done by far the most fun i've ever had easily hands down and we. We lost the footage. We can't ever put up again but don't even know i'm kidding being dick you don't worry about it. There's so much more to explore. We need to back when you get on the train. Were heading to what the fuck town over and over and twenty twenty one with some additional stops inspiration ville and i'll be damned happy holidays to all of you in again. Hope you continue to enjoy the show. Now for a cummins update. I always loved these humiliated. Sack leeann jeff rights. I love this message so much. Hey fuck face. i'd like to thank you for an incredibly embarrassing moment. I had with another mom for my son's daycare. Picking up my kid one day from the school fresh off the highway commute from work. And you guessed it. Listen to your dumb ass since parents are not allowed inside you to cova. Teachers meet the parents outside. Knowing how easy it is to get commons law. I paused the dark ages episode acceptable. My phone loses internet for five seconds gives spotify impossible to turn off so just as i'm getting the boy in the chair or in the car while the door is open. The drill sergeant character blasts from the speakers shouting about fucking monk. Maggot each shit private. Monk and all your loud ridiculous nonsense. All i could do was smile. Awkwardly and shrug my shoulders while shaking my head in shame is able to jump through to the driver seats which radio app holy. Fuck that i get. Some side is cincinnati to explain myself. She asked me next day. What the fuck was listening to. I was able to assure her that is not how talked son was not some backward self admonishing motivational if there'll be hilarious insane motivational speaker. It's just some asshole has some astle who has a hard time controlling himself aka comedian. Just want you to let just wanted to let you know. I hate you you are you are. You are a ridiculous person. Also shut out to the mother suckers group a fine group of broads. Her words not mine. Mcconnell brought to a keep on sucking is if you can help it. And i hope you get a nagging ingrown hair right up onto your taint. Crevice that can't be reached manscaping. Debt bitch leah. Leah your message fucking. Kill me twice last so hard. I read his last art again And i love the mother suckers group. That's awesome again. The cures continues to morph and evolve. It's been so cool. To see in twenty twenty and hope continues go forth and multiply be fruitful with your good natured albeit often. Dark weirdest form. Those friendships cher the struggles. And successes of this experiment. We call life. Enjoy the fucking ride. One day it'll be over Hailu safina now for some quick fun with names with marvelous. Meet sack ben. Hanley ben rights. Just listen to the craigslist killer. Podcast and her name dick off. It reminded me of someone. I knew in high school. Whose legal name was jack. Richard off a u h f f totally pronounced off his his name was literally jack dick off hale defeated. That is fucking great. Jack dick off better than dick off for sure. The name gods. They sure some people don't they thank you now for even more fun with names. Update another cursed cursed sack ari. Dick sack herald spears held rights. Hey dan big joke here. My name is harold richard spears. Ll hairy dick. Spears herald is actually traditional name that we passed down through the generations when it came to my nephew. Am i on. my sister. wanted to name him herald. I said no. The name dies with me show. She names him. James richard instead jimmy dick. Ll a love harry dick so much dick in your family. Enjoy the holidays sitting around the table with your whole fucking family addicts. Thank you for the laughs. Now for a craigslist killer. Update coming in from super sucker. Emma who writes praise the master kernan listening watching the new suck on the craigslist killer. He mentioned the murder of sydney. Luth by bailey boswell trail and how crazy their motives were the trail. The trial was even more insane. Betrayal actually attempted to slit his own throat while in court. He stated boswell was innocent and he cursed the entire courtroom. That's some drama. You can find the video of this court. Hearing online dan abrahams even played it on court. Cam trail didn't die what he definitely cemented his status as a fucking whack a doodle. Thanks for all you do. In the time team do emma. Ps you'll air this on the show but if you do. Could you give a shot up to my dad. Bill is the only one of my family who give any video. I send or show him the time of day and he loves you and your shows he dies of laughter every time you play the air banjo or your scandinavian accent again. Thank you for the reading. thank you for the update emma Wow that's intense Aria we've psychotic lead. Your dad likes to show you bang gupta. Here's some air band join for your father. I know christmas has just passed by think. It's still cater to plink plank. This little diddy thank thank bank. Don't think tank putting bank dunk tank. Pretend don't putting dong dong dong dong ticket to don't think tanks hilo fucking freestyle in the middle there. Second last message. Good sources update from austin authorites. Hello master mother. Sucker fond fonder of loose athena critical critical thinking off chew toy bojangles recipe chicken. Ceelo head writer putin do. My name is austin. I met my last name on purpose. Due to the topic of e mail. I will listen for over year. Can't remember exactly when i started. But that's not relevant to the email except to say that i'm not quite caught up again there myself. And my entire group of friends minus one super lehman dumb. Hold out all infected with the virus by loyal spaces or dylan. He deserves a shout out for it. Thank you dylan. My first time writing in because other people usually cover what i was gonna say or i worry i will be annoying or selling huge dick but this isn't a correction or complaint to compliment. Thank you for spreading the grand importance of truth and doing your research because as a type of my town swirling with disinformation spread by the ceo of a local hospital background. Time we're gonna pharmacy at a hospital in the town with two hospitals on smaller one larger or the smaller one thanks to larger one passing on the opportunity. We are distribution hub of the pfizer. Covid vaccine in our area which is a huge deal with the pharmacy have been coordinating with other departments who have all been busting their assets to get things organized with getting Getting in Which includes getting in our specialized fourteen thousand dollar deep. Freezer which sits at negative eighty fahrenheit makes fog anytime you open it and it's super cool pun intended preparing staffer giving a given the vaccine insurance. We have a complete plan in place so smoothly trans porting logistics etcetera. There's been in the works. Since we got the green light to be the hub and has been stressing out everyone to the max now despite working with the big hospital to ensure their staff and patients have access to it as well Their ceo blasted us social media spreading lies. About how how. We were hoarding. The vaccine and that they have gotten no communication from us regarding them having access to any those whatsoever in generally being super unprofessional. Full of complete shit. We're dealing with it. The best we can by putting out the facts national information. But i've already seen and heard people talking about how corrupt my hospital is how terrible we are for using vaccine to spite or rival hospital despite that being completely untrue. No one seems to be trying to look into the truth and it is killing me because trying to explain it seems to only more deeply entrenched them in the fact that not only is my hospital corrupt but clearly. I'm in on it. Because i work in the pharmacy that makes me a liar in a monster threatening and crew in the entire culturally cures for using solid reasoning skills looking into things because apparently these are quite rare traits. I'm still very happy to feel as though i had something to say worth writing in but For but unhappy regarding the circumstances leading to it. I do have one thing. I would like to say unrelated to this nonsense. Which is that. I haven't seen a new issue of putin. Juju in quite some time in your lunchbox sheree would love to have more of these ridiculous wraps galleons rambunctious revelries as soon as you. You're able to afford more ink paper. And the tears of many cocker spaniels to craft the perfect tales. I sincerely hope that you tripped up trying to read at least part of this email. Of course they did. And i will never apologize for long email because you want except anyway. Shadow request in info relayed lame joke made. I think that's it for this email. Keep up the good work info sucking in my friends. i will see and continue An emmy and my friends will continue to listen for as long as you are attempting to cram sweet suck indoor ear holes. Sincerely austin will thank you austin and thank you a spaces or dylan. Returning austin and others onto the show star. You're dealing with such a shit storm. Yeah amazing how. Many people take the time to blast others on social media. They do take time but don't take the time to try and figure out if there's any validity to their arguments. I'm a hothead nationally as i get older. I do work harder though to try nocco full. New york defcon fucking. Read whatever When i read something in the raging me. I try to wait this even true trying to little research and then format about you know what mad about is true will let out bit otherwise. I'm like oh shit got it didn't go off. I think it is seen. I've seen one hundred movies regarding this or someone pulls a gun on the wrong person in the wrong person. Does your hands right now. Yes most of us would probably be served well by a little more weight. Little shoot first. Ask questions later. And i do need to bring pudding doodoo back. That's something i'm working on. Twenty twenty two twenty twenty one as well as open have already. But i need to like create. Well i started. Update this character for the show to use his references. When i'm building out new episodes right too many too many old jokes getting lost now. We're like oh yeah what happened to them Thanks again often. We try and get things right here. We do try and use critical thinking skills. Dude try and use proper research principles and call ourselves out and get a wrong see. Flying snakes for an example of that deer can't dumb. It's hassle flying snake last message. Another twenty twenty year end wrapup from someone else. This this is awesome. Soccer dylan lamp dylan. Writes subject. what you do matter. So much Hey there massacre. Joe horse cock john queen stuck zak keith The knowledge of the rest of bad magic family. Oh yeah and the address out to update. Actually i'm glad you why we i'm saying logan instead of kate and logan is Cates still with logan. They're still. they're still together. Low in still working for us. Kate folks in on her family better for their family life With two kids one on the way and no family nearby for one to stay at home and raise the kids for the time being and wanted to be able to work here. So that's why there's been swapped from the kista to just love Sucker spaces are in dummy dylan lamp here from beautiful south florida first off. It was so nice to finally meet you over. Zoom for sucks. Giving this year this be a long email and not sorry for it for a lot to say about the suck after this year with the holidays. Coming up this royal shit storm of a year coming to an end. I've been looking for highlights from this year to reflect on. I found the second february. My job was shut down due to covid. Needed something to fill my days with joy in learning while i waited to see what would happen thankfully a few months later i was able to work from home. Keep on truckin. That's not the point of this with the year. End wrapup coming up in the following weeks. I wanted to share how thankful i am for the suck and the impact is made my life. This year i started from episode one worked my way through all the sucks. Because that's how they do it in hollywood showbiz now. Almost up to date on the secret suck as well. That's true you get it. I do The suck has been there to lift me up and keep me going through twenty twenty your sweet sake. Voices motivated me to keep pushing forward better myself in the worst year. I've witnessed in my twenty three years. All this information has opened my eyes to what it means to be a better meet sack not a better person because of the suck i started working on being more open to all meet sex views and beliefs and just concentrate on. What makes me The best meets that. I can be thanks to suck this year. It's helped me grow as a person. Not just sit around puddle of twenty twenty sadness. I know how hard everyone works. Turn out a good show is funny knowledgeable but to me and others in so much more than that. I cannot really put into words what the family means to me after this year. And how much you have saved my twenty twenty. I don't wanna make this too long or ramble but just know that. I'm a better person because all the work that you do. That is the truth smack down and punching bears here. What you do is so meaningful to so many people. I cannot wait to see how can change the world in two thousand twenty one. You're not the only one who had an allergic reaction at the end of the sucks. Giving my is also started to leak for some reason. We're right This makes on the show cool. That's not the point. I just wanted to share my heartfelt appreciation for you. Bad magic family. The cozy cherries. You may suck hard and deep but you may twenty twenty suck much less for this loyal curious dark humored lizard truly thank you for all you've done for me in the world over the last few years. I hope the holidays treat you well and lose to finish shows up under your tree this year. He's been great list of fina. Nimrod knows you've earned praise around for the sock. Have a great holiday. Whatever you do keep on sucking spaces are dylan lamp. Dylan thank you so much dude. Sorry twenty twenty with shit and a lot of ways. Glad the socket. Save son of some of it messages like this really inspire me really inspire us to keep doing what we do here. I talked a lot about needing meaning in one's life to find happiness. These meshes provide me with so much. Meaning it's nice to know that The words matter you know the hours riding them that demands to hold wait. I hope we can do some really cool stuff. And twenty twenty one. We can bring a lot more smiles too a lot more faces hope can lift some fellow lunatics souls of some dark days. We all need that from time to time. Hope hoping can inspire others to kick life in the fucking dick with everything. They've got the devil run for his money when it comes to raising some how the best way hope we can help even more families next december and i hope i fuck over so many of you so many comments on moments. Make me smile. They remind me not to take life so seriously. Oh twenty two twenty twenty one becomes the beautiful sky that sometimes falls evening thunderstorm a peaceful calm sky. One it's been purified all that torrential rain getting all the credit sounded the air right right right before you look at this beautiful calm guy and if not i hope we do all our best till we all do our best to push through more muck and mire i. That's what life gives us. Then that's what life gives us. He's gotta make the best that we can put our heads down plows through the best we can maybe think about viktor. Frankl thing about the darkness. He pushed through before he saw so much. Light on the other side hail fuck and nimrod thanks for making. What could have been a devastating near a blessing forward to him. Best as we all do here to bring you more to think about mortar. Laugh about more to talk about. Twenty twenty one and again hail nimrod. Thanks time suckers. We all did more bad with some water for more magic productions contact. Come on the rest of the week meets ax. You know it keeps crank it out. To close twenty twenty strong spooks was scared to death. Late tuesday night silliness with israel down wednesdays noon pacific. Do some soul-searching this week. What's your why what you're meaning find it. Meat sack fucking find it. Keep on truckin.

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