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"ellis island" Discussed on The Tel Aviv Review
"Is it was wrong for the british to be putting jews behind barbed wire here in the in the land of israel and if you words to make a museum or a heritage site in shall leah. That was historically accurate. It would look so much like the heritage site of athletes. And so many of those remembrances would be the same. And it's so much easier right when saying like the british shouldn't have done this to jews to sort of coming to terms with saying like this is what happened in israel. That's much harder history to confront. So that's my follow up question is should do's be doing this to other people and the reason i ask that is because you're really touches on some very contemporary themes one of which of course is the waves of migrants and asylum seekers who have come in Through africa usually going through horrors as they crossed the sinai desert smuggling themselves in and the israeli authorities have blocked them but part of the claims of those who opposed their presence was always well. They bring horrible. Diseases are there. Ain't girls and have you thought about the insights that we can gain from that. Yeah there are definite parallels. And i think that we need to see to see these parallels and understand how they're playing out now I remember when i was when i was doing my. Hd this sort of a story that that was seared in my memory that Being in a taxi. I was early on in my phd. Thinking that you know in terms of everybody needed to know the story Being in a taxi where the driver was telling me like you know these immigrants who are coming in or they're in. they're not cultured. they're bringing diseases. And i thought that the most vakhidov way to sort of bring this to his attention for him to understand you know i. It was clear to me that he was from a A moroccan origin jewish moroccan. And i said to me you know you need to understand that the things that you're saying now about the people who are coming in where the same things that they people were saying about your mother right that people were saying about your parents and he made it clear to me that i should not speak about his mother that way right like wondering right or or pretty stupid of me right but but the fact that you know what i've seen is being the defense. Then people would then say today like yes but they're not jewish they're not jewish. So it's it's different. And i don't see it as being different right. I saying as being like the way you know because at the time it was saying like yes. But they're they're not shkin azeem or they're you know they're they're holocaust survivors and like is sort of the various ways that we see the people saying others and that need to then keep them out and that that we using disease as an excuse to exclude people in something that is is very very problematic and and i you know what i would hope that i think that you see in. This story is the need to be more. Empathetic is and for and for us to to be more welcoming and and to see to question those barriers that we put in place in the various stages. Isn't it just incredibly curious that your book came out just a few weeks before. Everyone quarantined became a buzzword. And not just a buzzword reality yeah but everyone you know it was probably the most searched word on google Whatever and i ask you whether you think that your work on on quarantining Etcetera gave us some sort of insight into understanding the reality of you know. The current pandemic will struggling with yes. It was very strange. It was very strange for me and it had. I mean it's i think on a personal level i was both very helpful Sort of an in terms of understanding what was going on you know this was just sort of very micro level but it was also very disturbing right under seeing things that you know that could have been prevented and playing out on a public level and right across the world and so many upsetting themes whether it's you know You know the scapegoating of of vulnerable communities You know blaming them for contagion No various Governments using the fear of contagion as a way to further authoritarian. Agendas right and using also the fear of contagion to as a way to justify xenophobic closures. Border border closures again was incredibly disheartening But i think that for me also you know you find comfort where you can. And i think that i saw was teaching my course on the history of disease at the time that the pandemic in a when we went online and the university took comfort in my students sort of learning about these histories and applying them. And seeing them around them. I it's reinforced for me. Which is something. That i've always felt you know but the need for Collaboration between policymakers healthcare workers and humanists right historians of medicine anthropologists have medicine. Who really have something valuable to bring to the table. And i think that when we see this I'm heartened when i see this happening And that's very useful. I think that you know two of them. When i sort of think about the two main points that i think that i would want people to come away with that. I should have also hung to with with the history of quarantine at this time and wine was that when it is implemented carefully quarantine work. This is a global ancient Act of soon very human self preservation. And that when it's done appropriately it can work than the other point that i think is so important. Is that in times of upheaval in uncertain historical times. Very much like the one that we're living through now. We need to watch out to make sure that the most vulnerable members of our communities and marginalized peoples are not being unfairly targeted and excluded. And i think are the two main points that you know that. I just keep coming back to in the midst of this period while you know having this research very central in my mind dr rhona settlement. I think you should be on the government. Advisory committees for corona policy. From now on. 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Officials Across Northeast Urge Residents to Prepare for Hurricane Henri
"Hurricane on is beating a path that no hurricane has taken in the past thirty years storm now on track for a direct hit on the northeast states are now preparing for what could be strong. Winds and severe flooding voluntary. Evacuations are taking place in some low lying areas. And the statue of liberty and ellis island will be closed tomorrow as the storm comes in. We are covering it all for you tonight. And we begin with ron allen. On new york's long island tonight with millions of new york under a state of emergency officials are calling for voluntary evacuations for some coastal low lying areas tourists. Cutting vacation short going airport. Take out in los angeles where they'll get cancelled long island bracing for what's expected to be the first direct hit by a hurricane in more than thirty years when gloria in one thousand nine hundred five caused a billion dollars in damage though with hurricanes. You really can't mess around to be our anniversary on sunday so those plans. We're just going to hunker down. You know drink some champagne if you have to move if you're at the stock up if you have to get to higher ground it has to be today please. With time running out. Before unreas- expected landfall around noon sunday residents lining up for gas and boarding up preparing for three to six inches of rain. Seventy five mile per hour wind gusts and massive power outages. That could last for days. What worries you the most well. This is a significant storm of its high hurricane force winds it's a significant rainfall storm surge emergency crews are on standby five hundred national guard called up officials urging residents to stay home on
Why Are Jews the Most Enthusiastic Group About Deconstruction?
"You tell me though that in a religious tradition which has such an emphasis on things that are passed down undoing customs and meals and even names that existed thousands of years before. Why is it that that group seems at times we most enthusiastic about deconstruction charlie. You're getting one of my biggest pet peeves nov life. I would say. I have been frustrated by this question for virtually since high school i. I identified as someone right of center. Broadly speaking i in like seventh and eighth grade a. basically since high school. I've just been utterly baffled by this. I mean obviously like immense amount of ink has been spilled on this very quiet and lots of books have been written about the look the short answer that i can give. Is that most american jews today. you know we're in the twenty one are frankly a hundred years no more than one hundred twenty eight hundred twenty five years removed from their ancestors from the great ellis island immigration wave right Meeting speak personally here. I mean You know my My grandparents mostly came then immigration wave They grew up in those traditional like low. Recite tenements in new york city My grandfather my father side was an immigrant from poland. Kind of work. The graveyard shift overnight six days a week in deep in the heart of brooklyn so there was this scrappy kind of working class mentality. That kind of Naturally inured itself kind of fdr style. Welfare-state liberalism i guess. You would say i. And i think just kind of subsequent generations of jews especially obviously the less orthodox the less religious just imbibed. This like it was mother's
The U.S. Has A History Of Linking Disease With Race And Ethnicity
"Okay. So today we're talking about the suspicion and harassment of asians and asian americans as the krona virus spreads and this kind of fear actually has a long history in the united states right gene a very long history and actually what we learned from. Eric lee is that the seeds of this discourse of china and asia being unsanitary and crowded those seeds were planted long before chinese immigration to the us the teeming hordes of millions living in health and then as americans who travel to china and then came back to the united states. They spread those ideas. Unfortunate the own brand for the us low so right in the mid eighteen hundreds you have the first waves of chinese immigrants coming over to find fortune in the california gold rush and they also become a source of cheap labor working as farmhands building railroads etc and eventually this becomes a source of tension. Exactly so when the domestic economy takes a downturn different immigrant groups start competing for these previously undesirable jobs and you start seeing harassment even massacres of chinese workers but erica says that the idea of chinese immigrants being dirty and disease. That's still with us. We know from the very beginning As americans in general are starting to debate the so-called problem of chinese immigration. They are explicitly tying china chinese people chinese spaces with disease and contagion. Historians have shown that the rhetoric is about chinatown as plague spots as pools of laboratories of infection. Erica says that way back. In the late nineteenth century we really started to see specific policies that reflect this thinking around chinese as a threat to public. Oh okay give me an example of that. So erica told us about quarantine that happened in one thousand nine hundred in san francisco when the discovery bluebonnets plague in chinatown Bannock plague that's a potential deadly bacterial. Disease the black death right. People believe rats. Broad across the pacific steamship was unlikely. Source of the disease. Erica says san francisco officials at the time. Saw the chinese immigrants as vermin infested. So all of chinatown was placed under quarantine. And there were these periodic. Campaigns to quote disinfect chinatown flooding basements in that district with acid washing the walls with lie tearing down old buildings that rhetoric by the way erica says has been applied to a lot of immigrant groups throughout history but there is a particular way in which it has been racialized with chinese chinese as dog eaters as eaters of weird and strange animals including rats and mice and that they if they are eating and consuming rats that are known to spread disease than chinese people as a race are also carriers of disease so what happened then was. San francisco's quarantine. So the plague became racialized blamed on a group of people. The city ordered an immediate quarantine of chinatown with orders to remove all whites from the affected area so so white. Residents of san francisco were ordered to leave chinatown but chinese people could not. It's such an intense thing to know and accept this history and realize it's been with us for a really long time. It's been with us. And we haven't really grappled with all of this of course is happening against the backdrop of the chinese exclusion act which was passed in eighteen. Eighty two and it prevented chinese laborers from entering the united states. Which this time of heightened anti-chinese rhetoric and sentiment that law would actually mark the first time the u. has banned the immigration of an entire ethnic group. So when you and your co hosts shreen. Marcel marashi spoke to eric harley. Eric told you a very personal story about her grandfather. And what happened to him when he immigrated to the us and it's really relevant to what we're talking about today so erica's grandfather came to the us through angel island right angel island. It's the ellis island of the west coast. It was in san francisco bay and there was this whole special system of scrutiny for chinese immigrants in particular so erica's grandfather like so. Many chinese immigrants angel island was pulled aside and inspected separately from other asian immigrants because people believe that chinese immigrants were carriers of disease. What a way to come into a country and she said that her grandfather never told her that story directly but she was interested in it and because she's historian she actually took the records of her grandparents interogations and specifically. She found her grandfather's medical exam from angel. It was it was nothing like anything. I've read before. Immigration officials ordered my grandfather to be subjected to the most invasive medical exam that i've seen in hundreds of these records so they had the medical doctor at angel island examined him for for diseases but also to measure every aspect of his body. His teeth his his genitals his. You know it's a his height to determine what age he was to determine weather his claim of being seventeen when he was immigrating was actually true and they included just all of these detailed notes in a record and it was. It was quite shocking to read. That's really just I mean i hear the story. And i think it's important at a time like this to hear stories like this so We've been talking specifically about chinese immigration but as you mentioned earlier this history of public health and hygiene efforts and how it gets mixed up with race and ethnicity. It's also happened to other immigrant. Groups right i mean. This is something that erica talks about a lot in her book which is of course about xenophobia in the united states but it wasn't just chinese immigrants who were being targeted in this way. I mean if you look at what was happening around the same time on the southern border mexican immigrants. The us were being treated very similarly. This is one of the ways in which to phobia works. It's it uses an already existing playbook certain immigrants are are threats there there threats because they bring crime also because they take away jobs but also because they they are starting genetically carriers of disease. And surprise american policymakers setup immigration procedures for mexicans. That looked a lot like what was happening to the chinese. On the west coast and when mexican immigrants arrived across the border they were routinely subjected to invasive humiliating and harmful disinfecting baths using pesticides to route out laos but also to cleanse mexican people's their clothing and their baggage before entering the united states. I mean just the fact that mexicans were seen as carrying disease in the same way that chinese were and that this pattern is repeated. Is really interesting. This is much harsher. Then what happened at ellis island where european immigrants certainly faced scrutiny. But the the medical exams were known as six second physicals and chinese people in particular. Still carry around that stigma. And we're seeing that procession playoff when it comes to corona virus. Absolutely i you know. We're exile eighty and fear out there right now about getting sick. That is getting tangled up in this legacy and you know. I'm picturing who are listening to this and they're thinking yes. This history is real. I know this sounds really bad. But i'm just worried about eating at a chinese restaurant gene and emily just buried and i i just. I'm worried about sitting next to someone who is asian. what do i do. That's not how disease works. We actually put this question to erica and she said With each headline with each new case with each new bizarre choice of photo for a new story lines the flames of anxiety right now in the us but racist scapegoating and outright discrimination does not have to accompany the things. It is an unfortunate echo of the past. But it doesn't have to be
U.S. to wind down long-term detention of migrant families
"Training ice, long term detention facilities for migrant families into rapid processing reception and release centers. Redesignated Hobbs will move migrant families more quickly from the border region into the U. S. Interior. Ice, officials told immigration advocates and relief organizations. They're ending Long term detention. A migrant families, reports The San Antonio Express News. The facilities will be rebranded and renamed, not detention centers anymore. Ready for this? Reception centers. So with one word. They've now changed the entire policy or not detained for deportation. You are received. It's a reception area. So you can be Allowed into the United States. All these people coming illegally. Plan by buying officials is to convert long term family detention centers in South Texas and Ellis Island style rapid processing hubs with a stated goal, releasing migrant families into the United States interior within 72 hours. Texas is going to go purple to blue. Now that's exactly what's going on here. Russell holding senior ice official told staff members in an email reporter for the Washington Post. That unaccompanied minors and families this year expected about highest numbers observed in over 20 years. This is all intended. This is all intended. We're apprehending more kids than we can possibly release a senior homes, Homeland Security official told CNN. We're not keeping up. So that's what's going on. Abide
"ellis island" Discussed on 77WABC Radio
"Piscopo on music Radio 77 w A. B C. Job is give fell on the radio. That's me Sunday night. Great to have you with us on this is Sunday night. Hopefully you're staying warm. Hopefully, the snow will be away until the next snowstorm, which is like Thursday. As you Listen, Tonto Ramsey, Mazda's Sundays with Sinatra on 77. W A B C I love having you with us. We're celebrating all the great black artists that Mr Sinatra played. We have had the honor of playing with. He learned so much from the black community and you know what he really blazed the path for so many you know, going through bigotry cause it's what Mr Sinatra experience as a young Italian American coming from Hoboken, New Jersey. It's hard to imagine you know his family coming from Sicily to Ellis Island, going the whole book, and he understood he understood the struggle. So, Nan, he would meet these great artists is artists in the African American community and one of the best I know our buddy Landau. Eugene Murphy touched on was not King Cole. Me. How great was not King Cole. This is an early recording. Of Nat King Cole and Mr Sinatra from you ready for this 1946. This is right after World War two. This was called songs by Sinatra Radio Variety show. You forget a powerful radio was And of course it is. Now It's back here on 77 W 80 ft just saying So. Here's a great classic from Jimmy McCue and Dorothy Fields, Mr Sinatra and that Cole singing exactly like you. Asking more guitar, Johnny Miller Basin that King called doubling on piano and tonsils double groovy That boy saying that I know that every chance you get you give a break to a promising young vocalist because I'm not so young and not so promising. But Good night. Sing one with you now, please. Hey, Hugs not is thinking it over. He's looking down at the keyboard. I'm in. I get to sing with the famous king called surreal. I know why I've waited. No, I've been blue. I prayed each night for someone exactly like.
How monkeys played an instrumental role in the development of polio vaccines
"In the nineteen forties. America was under a constant threat from polio. A disease that had a then unknown cause and devastating effects especially in children. It spread quickly through unclean water and unwashed hands leading to symptoms like nausea fatigue. Fever and a stiffening of the body summers especially saw surges infections particularly around swimming holes leading to post polio paralysis and in some cases death on average thirty five thousand people were disabled each year. According to the centers for disease control and prevention president franklin delano roosevelt was among the most notable people to get the condition putting a face to a still uncertain disease. A vaccine was desperately needed as scientists learned about the transmission process including the fact that anyone could be a carrier in the next few years rival scientists jonas and albert sabin worked with teams in their labs on two completely different vaccines. Sabin worked on an oral vaccine. While sulk created an injectable vaccine that using a kill version of polio in the book polio and american story. David m ocean ski writes about the urgency of work. During the time quote. I talk there was reason to hurry the year. Nineteen fifty two was the worst polio year. On record with more than fifty seven thousand cases nationwide the headlines screamed of plague season and polio time. Twenty one thousand victims suffered permanent paralysis and about three thousand died from the very beginning of the polio epidemic. Monkeys were considered to be essential for research before human trials could take place becoming the unsung heroes of the fight to defeat the disease was through animal research that scientists i discovered that there were three strains of the deadly disease. The monkeys were purchased at a high cost from india and the philippines and shipped to the united states. Many died in transit so the national foundation for infantile paralysis now known as the march of dimes began overseeing their import in nineteen forty nine. A foundation established a special facility known as ot farms and rural south carolina to process the monkeys arriving from abroad oak tree farms operated in the picnic colony a beaufort county in coastal south carolina. Originally called the prichard bill primate center. The forty acre or sixteen hectare tract of land along. The river was called by local newspapers. The ellis island for thousands of monkeys from india naturalist john. Hamlet had the job of finding a space for the primate center. That was both connected to deep water ports and airports but also remote enough for neighbors the area he chose closely approximated the natural habitats of the monkeys with its abundance of shady long leaf pines and a mild climate. The monkeys were originally brought into savannah. Georgia one of the region's biggest ports and taken by truck the thirty odd miles or fifty some kilometers to the farm. When air travel became more popular they were flown by a london and new york before travelling by train to the low country. Once they arrived at the farm veterinarians treated the two thousand or so recess and sign a mogus monkeys before clearing them for transport to research facilities around the country. The monkeys spent twenty one days. Getting acclimated and eating a special diet was scientists carefully monitoring their status many went to sell nukes facility in pittsburg and sabin in ann arbor where they were given vaccines to test the vaccine. Strength against the three strains of poliovirus a few locals were aware of the research that was going on at the farm. Despite rumors of people encountering the animals we were unable to discover any opposition to the research facility perhaps because it was not well known and also because opposition to using animals and testing was not very common at the time in the united states. The movement against animal testing didn't pick up steam until around nineteen eighty in any case. The farms purpose wasn't permanent. Once sox polio vaccine was deemed a success and released to the public in nineteen fifty-five the work of qatif arms was no longer necessary and the facility closed in nineteen fifty-nine saban's oral vaccine came into use in nineteen sixty one the foundation that had established the facility. Its attention to reducing premature births. The monkeys found new homes and labs across the country. According to a former employee named louise crawford things at the farm were left just as they were including the monkey cages. A caretaker kept the grass and plant life at bay. The lab was locked up ready for someone new to take on the important task of preparing monkeys for research but that day never came in nineteen eighty the land and its contents were sold to development group. The lab equipment was donated to a local school science department while a farmer claimed the former monkey cages for his own animals. Today acreage along. The river is mostly residential and privately owned thanks to south and saban's vaccines polio cases of plummeted from three hundred and fifty thousand nine. Nineteen eighty eight to just twenty two in two thousand seventeen
The Sodder Family Tragedy: 75 Years Later
"Long before his house burned down any lost five of his children. George solder saw the united states as a land of opportunity or at least of escape he was born as georgios saw do on the italian island of sardinia in eighteen ninety five. He spent the first thirteen years of his life. They're growing up in a small town on a hill. Not much is known about his youth mainly because he refused to speak about it. It was obvious to those who knew him. Later that something happened in italy that made young giorgio want to leave in one thousand nine hundred eight. He sees the chance to escape his home. Country in boarded a steamship with his older brother headed to ellis island Because we don't know his brother's name will call him. Rafael georgia was thirteen years old when he and rafael saw the statue of liberty and new york city skyline for the first time but whatever excitement. The new land may have inspired in giorgio. His brother didn't seem to share it for reasons. Unknown rafael return to italy immediately after delivering his younger brother to the immigrant inspection station. Perhaps he was only tasked with delivering giorgio safely to america. Maybe he was just along for the ride. It could have been any number of reasons he could have been turned away from. Ellis island for criminality or disease. Regardless when thirteen year old giorgio emerged from ellis island. He had a new anglicized name. George solder he was alone in a brand new country for better and for worse. His new life in america began that day in nineteen eight and he quickly got to work. George didn't stay in new york state for very long instead. He headed west to pennsylvania in order to find opportunities there and find them he did. It took a few years but before long. He left a railroad job in pennsylvania for west virginia and worked his way up through the hauling industry to open his own trucking company. But that wasn't all he wanted out of life in the early nineteen twenties. George met jenny. Cheaper yanni jenny. Like george was also an italian immigrant but unlike him she moved to the united states when she was just three and couldn't remember much of her life in italy. It didn't matter though the two had plenty in common and hit it off right away. They fell in love and soon enough. They got married ready to start a family. They moved to nearby fayetteville west virginia. Their new town was nestled in the foothills of the appalachian mountains and was home to a small but tight knit community of other italian immigrants. Over the next twenty years they became respected members of the fayetteville community their neighbors view george as a successful local businessman and jenny was known as carrying housewife who adored her ten children but a mystery lingered at the heart of this solder family and it involves georgia's past or rather the lack of it. Everyone and their italian american community new. The georgia emigrated to the states. Just like many of them. Andy may have had his secrets but he certainly wasn't shy about his political opinions during the nineteen twenties and thirties. Italy's fascist prime minister benito. Mussolini expanded his power and allied with the nazis in world war. Two during this time. George made it known that he despised the dictator. He sometimes got into passionate arguments with other italians who supported mussolini and reportedly expressed relief when he heard the dictator had been killed in the spring of nineteen forty-five but even still george was reticent to talk about his past however it seemed the community. Opt to let these quirks go. They were fond of the families. Many children the solders had ten kids. Understandably they ranged quite a bit in age. By nineteen forty-five their oldest. John was twenty three years old. While the youngest sylvia was to the family was large an by all accounts. Happy and christmas eve. Nineteen forty five was no exception. That is until a fire changed their lives forever. By the time the sun rose in the morning half of their children would be on
"ellis island" Discussed on Masters Podcast Club
"You've won so many you didn't you win. The ellis island medal of honor. I did a couple of years ago. Which was just that that whole ceremony. Right there on ellis island to receive that acknowledgement along with some other americans who had done incredible incredible things and and knowing that i was there representing hit my friend. That's huge and kind of compassion. Just your and you received for your leadership in lifetime achievement how you revolutionized education and your humanitarian work and how you unlocked hope. And what an exemplary model a philanthropy and giving back to the community and and this generosity of spirit. You guys list. You're listening to win. Win is a winner. And and i don't know anybody who motivates me more than you and just your heart. I mean you have suffered yourself. You've been through terrible and yet here you are a light to others and i just think i mean just some of your heart telling about what you had to go through. Well telling your stories of of these children. I'm i'm over here. Like with sniffles and kleenex is and so. I'm glad this is not video right now. But i wanna be a storyteller so i i'm nineteen years clean off of drugs. I i had a brother who died of suicide. And and i just feel like it's important for us to talk about these stories because these stories get people hope. I think that people are are looking further y in life. I believe that it's a basic human need to have a purpose No matter what is that you do whether you're a celebrity or your doctor or your making pizzas doesn't matter what you do in life as a win. Please tell them about your eye to your daughter. And oh my gosh i just love you i love you you know that yes i have because you're so you're so generous and let me know the love that you have for me and i appreciate. That certainly goes both ways. Sophia how cute are you. You wrote her name. You have to tell them off my gosh. Now you're exposing things is funny so yes i was damaged with one eye and so i have a prosthetic marie. I've never told anybody this story this..
"ellis island" Discussed on WDRC
"A long time. And it was, um very disruptive. Very disjointed number of months. We had the joint terrorism task force that was formed. Um, I served on that a week and we did the best that we could having no ability to have anything from our field office. Even to effectuate you know the normal day to day operations. And I remember at the time one of the one of the really seemingly tragic things at the time was the medical personnel in New York City, set up quickly set up a field hospital. I think it was over in Battery Park. It was near where people have been to New York, where you get on the ferries to go on to Ellis Island and out to the Statue of Liberty, and they set up this big medical facility, expecting that they would have people coming in and for the most part They didn't at all, just because people were either killed in some cases they were. They were grievously wounded. Ah or they or they were alive and they walked away. And there wasn't a lot of in between. Correct, Andy. We lost 412. First responders that day and then the countless innocent civilians. That we're goingto work, and it is one of the biggest things when I talked to first responders groups around the country that If they're on the job. Now they talk about that survivor's guilt. Not only because they have a direct relation to 9 11 because a lot of them went down to ground zero. They asked their chief. Hey, send us We need to be involved in this recovery effort. First, it was rescue. Then it became recovery. And you know they got an eyeful from small towns in Tennessee. Collecting evidence collecting body parts and utilizing the freezer trucks, But everybody Everybody was affected. How are you affected now? 19 years later. Do you still feel it? I can close my eyes and bring that day back in a split second there there, obviously, for me, things that I saw it will never go away the people that made the difficult decision to jump From the towers to their deaths that stays with me. Uh, I went through a really severe battle with post traumatic stress. I didn't know what was happening to me. I also wasn't really informed about post traumatic stress. And when I finally received A diagnosis. Talked to a very skilled practitioner. I got the help I needed and it took a suicide attempt failed..
Does Vancouver need to start turning tourists away?
"Vancouver is a very nice city to visit. If you've ever been you don't need me to tell you that. In fact nobody needs to tell them that in fact Vancouver itself would probably prefer. I didn't tell people that the city's tourism industry industry is booming so much so that rather than ask themselves how to keep attracting guests. The city is wondering how to ask visitors to maybe stay. Stay at a place a little bit Outta town. Maybe go somewhere anywhere other than the marquee attractions like Stanley Park. There's no doubt that ten million visitors per year can do some great things for a cities economy but what Canada's most picturesque city is facing now. Is these same leg that has come for some of the oldest list and most popular destinations and the world. There is such a thing as too many visitors. So how does Vancouver politely say actually were full right now it becomes back later in the offseason Jordan. Rawlings this is the big story. Molly mccloskey is based in Washington. DC and she's a contributor at city lab among other outlets and she Ended up going wing to Vancouver to report this story today. Molly can you start by telling us how you came across the story. Well I love Ann Cooper. I've spent a fair amount of time there and I'm based on the West Coast states states now although still spend a fair amount of time DC. And so I was elected as a media scholar for the women deliver conference which is a massive international women's rights and family. The conference is held every couple of years and this year it was hoover and so as I was coming up to Vancouver I kind of reached out to the Tourism Board and smother contacts in the area and said you know what's really going on in your town that I should know about as reporter a somebody coming to visit. Who maybe want to see something that I haven't seen before? And as as a result of that conversation the person I was speaking with mentioned almost as an aside will you know we. We really don't promote Vancouver much in the summer anymore and I thought that was such a fascinating knitting idea because you know the tourism boards by their very nature. Their job is to bring people to town right. We see that all around the world and the idea that there are some places that are maxing out on what they can with either can or want to accommodate tourism. Wise was really fascinating to me. We'll do you have an idea of the scope of that leg. Just how did tourism do I guess in Vancouver in two thousand nineteen well. The latest numbers aren't finalized. Of course but when I spoke to them they were expecting ten million visitors In Vancouver in two thousand nineteen they were expecting about two hundred thirty cruise ships to come in and of course when you look at cruise ships versus other forms of tourism. It's a little bit different. Because cruise ship passengers don't necessarily stay in the hotels they may be. Don't necessarily elite at all. The restaurants like other drawers might so it's a little bit of a different beast but still I mean two hundred and thirty very large cruise ships Over the course of the year and and up to ten million visitors coming to Vancouver alone is a pretty dramatic flux of tourists. No matter how you look at it is that number increasing generally over the last little while for Vancouver. It is actually and Vancouver. This summer are expected to be at ninety five percent capacity which for the city that means for cities in general that means really looking at how often the hotels are booked how often restaurants overcrowded with the capacity of special events and things like the women deliver conference how many people that's bringing into the city and if the rate of services such as transit ed or taxis or rideshare which has just launched in Vancouver if they can keep up and keep people moving in a even steady daddy non dramatic flow. That was going to be my next question is do we know. Kind of how approaching capacity impacts the day to day life of a city. Yes we do actually and we seen it in backlash Around around the world really. It's it's really a global tourism boom and keep in mind too that so so many cities depend on tourism as a huge part of their economy. Right and so and that goes back to you know when we were all hunters and gatherers authors and then switched over to an agrarian society and really suddenly started having more and creating more than we needed to consume for ourselves cities of always accommodated or expected to accommodate visitors. Four things like trade as they popped up on trade routes and rivers that sort of thing so this idea of tourism mhm has in some way shape or form existed as long as we've had this idea of cities but as you look at places like Venice or Amsterdam or Barcelona where there's just just too many. There's too many people coming to the scene. Few attractions We've seen in some cases like New York City and Ellis island where the tourists worse. That are coming aren't necessarily very mannerly The rise in social media and instagram and and this idea of I need to get the perfect shot as opposed to you. Experience the perfect sunset or visit. The Perfect Museum has also changed the way that we travel and experience the places that we go to keep in mind too. That tourism in general is very trendy so when I was living in Croatia I lived in the summer before Chris joined the EU the summer joined the EU and the summer after and suddenly Zagreb was the hot spot for tourists and so everybody was there and that immediately impacted things like services for residents and the prices of things things and whether or not there were apartments available at reasonable rates or foreign investors. Buying them up all the time Vancouver had a similar instance where a lot of people were buying properties that they were not living in and keeping them as investment properties. So all of these things when you when you upset the balance of a city for its residents residents that occasionally accommodates tourists versus city that is dependent on tourism to support its residents. It's a different dynamic namic and that's something that cities around the world are really having to grapple with as they are seeing more and more people traveling what kind of actual evidence Did you see in Vancouver. Did they tell you about just in terms of its impact on popular landmarks or the city in general. And what have other places around around the world done to curb some of that Eighty million people lined up for the same instagram shot. While if you take an instance like Quarry Rock in North Van which I love northbound I I climbed the grouse grind a couple years ago and fell and got experience Canadian. Healthcare there's ever in Vancouver but if you look at something acquire rock. which was you know? E- community hiking trail. It was a place that the locals new. They'd spend a Saturday and suddenly became. I'm an international destination and so you had very large tour buses trying to cram into parking lots that were really just meant for locals and for sedans the ends Maybe a minivan or to The the trail getting to the trail. There's lots of gridlock. There was community tension. This idea of we're being invaded by people that are not in our town. I feel that way. It caused a lot of tension and so they put in their new parking harking laws or when he finds their overflow areas they would the locals who put up signs that basically said like the trial had is full like you. This is not the day for you to come to the trail head and as a result of working with the locals the team at Tourism Vancouver finally said okay. You know what we agree. We will just flat out not not promote quarry rock at all and we will start promoting other
'Purple Rain' and 'She's Gotta Have It' among new titles added to National Film Registry
"The Library of Congress has announced the newest additions to the national film registry as NPR's Neda ulaby reports each year. The library picks twenty five films to it'd be preserved for posterity deregistered promotes film preservation and highlights historic films historic films like the Prince. Let's movie Purple Rain From One thousand nine hundred four the oldest moody a silent short from nineteen o three shows immigrants. Arriving Ellis Island other picks this year include spike. Lee's she's she's gotTa have it and the Nineteen fifty-nine Animated Disney Movie Sleeping Beauty. An unprecedented number of films by women were selected this year including the independent oscar-winner on her boys don't cry and medal. Anderson's film I am somebody from nineteen seventy. It's considered the first documentary on civil rights directed by a woman of Color
What's the History of the Statue of Liberty?
"The Statue of Liberty has become such a legendary representation of New York City and America itself. It's hard to imagine a time before it found a place in the skyline it all began in the eighteen sixties when French poet and Anti Slavery activist Eduard elaborate proposed the idea of a post civil war commemoration of America's America's newfound freedoms and democracy he believed France should give a great monument a gift to the United States to celebrate both the unions victory in the civil war and and the abolition of slavery the idea resonated with a young French sculptor named Frederick August Bartholdi who'd been experimenting with large-scale Works Bartholdi started hearted drafting designs and the original goal was to complete the ambitious artistic endeavor by eighteen seventy six to mark the centennial of the American Declaration of Independence The statue that she was set to represent the goodwill between America and France. There was a little financial snag though well a big financial snag in both participating nations to raise the necessary funds for construction French government introduced everything from public fees to a fundraising lottery in the United States held auctions and benefit beatrix events and Lazarus pens the new classes for the art and literary auction to help generate money for the pedestal while all this was taking place. Bartholdi recruited did an experienced engineer to help troubleshoot structural issues with the massive sculpture enter Alexander Gustave Eiffel the man responsible for another internationally recognized architectural wonder the Eiffel Tower together with Bartholdi. I will help designed the four hundred and fifty thousand pound structure. That's about two hundred thousand kilograms and specifically specifically had a hand in planning out the Iron Pylon and secondary skeletal framework. The Statue of Liberty was finally completed in France in July of eighteen eighty four and arrived in three hundred and fifty individual pieces packed in two hundred and fourteen crates in New York Harbor in June of eighteen eighty five ten years after her original. Oh projected debut the statue of Liberty became an official New York City icon and President Grover Cleveland oversaw the official dedication ceremony on October twenty eighth of eighteen eighty six fix lady liberty herself has a full and proper name the Statue of Liberty enlightening the world. The statue's face was apparently inspired by the the face of Berkeley's mother made from iron steel and three hundred layers of hand hammered copper weighing thirty tons. Lady Liberty Herself stands approximately one hundred and eleven feet. That's thirty four meters tall. She reaches an astounding three hundred and five feet or ninety three meters. If you take her pedestal and torch into account that's the equivalent height of a twenty two story building the copper coating her is three thirty seconds of an inch thick or about two point five millimeters which happens to be the same thickness missile to American pennies placed together while the internal structure is comprised of cast iron and stainless steel as for her signature Green Hue. That's due to the natural. Oh Exhibition of that copper coating when the statue was originally completed in eighteen eighty six she had more of a copper penny tinge but over about three decades the brown hue fully oxidized to form the sea green color otherwise known as a Patina in Nineteen eighty-four. The statue got a makeover when her original torch was replaced by a new copper one covered in twenty four karat gold leaf the original torch is on display the monuments museum while the Statue of Liberty emerged from a desire to represent an alliance between America and France. Its core meaning is a mutual desire for freedom liberty for all people all over the world. It's no accident that the statue of Liberty was placed face southeast from that vantage point. She makes a perfect welcoming symbol for visitors and immigrants from her home on Liberty Island. The seven pointed crown on her head symbolizes. The seven continents em I'm seven seas and the broken shackles at her feet represent freedom from oppression. Lady Liberty possesses a few other symbols as well. She's holding a tablet in her left hand end inscribed with the date July four seventeen seventy six the date of American independence written in Roman numerals and that giant torch in her right hand. It's meant to represent represents enlightenment a fitting accessory for liberty enlightening the world as for the Lazarus poem some history experts like Robert j McNamara believe if that while Bartholdi had originally envisioned lady liberty as a symbol of America exerting its own freedom the new colossus represented America as a refuge for oppressed people seeking liberty and an understanding by people born as American citizens that had we been born elsewhere. We might be similarly seeking liberty from oppression and suffering while there may be countless interpretations dissections and Miss Readings of Lady Liberty's many possible meanings one thing is for sure. She has indeed served as America's one woman. Welcome Committee for well over a century when the US government opened a federal immigration station on Ellis Island in eighteen ninety to about twelve million immigrants were eventually processed there before receiving permission to enter the country all of whom were greeted by the sight of the Statue of Liberty nearby today a statue of Liberty. He remains a major attraction for citizens and visitors from all over the world approximately four point five million people make the pilgrimage to see her every year. One of the most popular attractions attractions is climbing up to her crown which has twenty five windows overlooking New York City and harbor. It's a strenuous climb a tight spiral staircase but visitors are rewarded with panoramic views of Brooklyn as well as original supporting iron and steel framework. The American Jewish Historical Society is leading a three year initiative called the Emma Lazarus project checked which teaches students about the woman who penned the new colossus part of the project a nationwide contest calling for new poems about the statue winners will be announced in May of twenty twenty any to learn more go to a j h s dot Org.
NY Sues Trump Administration Over New Green Card Rule
"New york state is not one of a handful of states and municipalities filing a lawsuit against the trump administration for enforcing a rule all the limits green cards for some migrants who need public assistance america is a nation of immigrants it was built by immigrants and generations have landed on the welcoming welcoming shores of ellis island with nothing more than a dream in their pockets new york attorney general letitia james now james has sued the trump administration on behalf half of new york multiple times in the past two
Vincent, Thirty Six Month And Twelve Months discussed on Morning Show with Sean and Frank
"Vincent all right to the truck ministration finalize rules yes that could reshape the flow of illegal aliens and our a and illegals who are in a place in the U. S. proposing to penalize migrants for having used welfare programs when they apply for permanent status the rules a long time goal of immigration enforcement ever gets to find for the first time what it means to be a public charge on the head of the U. S. citizenship and immigration services can Cuccinelli announces yesterday under the rule of public charges now defined as an individual who receives one or more designated public benefits for more than twelve months in the aggregate within any thirty six month period around me said the again look there's gonna be something that the they're going to enforce the law or rule generally prevents aliens who are likely to become a public charge from coming to the United States for remaining here and getting a green card hi Joan of make of the differentiation here illegal aliens are not eligible for these kinds of public goods charge benefits we're talking about the legal immigrants legal aliens to come to the United States and of the rules survive a court challenge already New York state the red billed of laws you has announced the the the he's going to fight it they said that all see trump in court over blocking federal assistance to legal immigrants so with the the critics are saying what is going to discourage poor migrants from Latin American countries Italy pose rich European countries which you're borrowing money from Syria and dolls were coming over there so I'm not sure that's an accurate criticism or not summer saying the overall level of legal immigration could drop already the Democrats are denouncing the policy as races but the policy doesn't sorry it is only going to be applied to black or brown people's is that anyone who comes into the United States it is going to become a public charge now what programs a mother wanted seven we're told are likely to avoid welfare programs last year because they feared the coming crackdown could affect their ability to get a green card will give us some of the numbers here in just a second or what programs are we talking about here we're talking about legal immigrants you get into this country and then go on food stamps Medicaid public housing assistance welfare cash payments and the supplemental security income benefits left out of this change emergency medical care school lunch program student loans energy assistance homeless shelter access and children's health insurance will not count against legal immigrants but we've done this for a long long time Frank back in the eighteen hundreds you might remember the weather coming over in Ellis Island you could come over here if you're going to buy all the park yourself on welfare become a a you know a public charge on the on the on the on the government on the country so we're just going back to the future I guess you could say yeah I was thinking that you know basically the same thing I mean that were there was a time when the people had to have sponsors the the came here or and they had to prove that the either they have a job or that they were not going to be coming into this country you know to basically that take advantage of all our welfare goodies which today have been expanded you know to include food stamps and you name it there are a couple of other things too that were required and that is that they had to need basically and I guess it was on the honor system but by having a sponsor IT help this along with that is that they were required to assimilate tell here in this country the the the and and also which is always lost a day in the argument to be able to speak English so all these things you know is just what we had done in the past and there's no reason why it you know it should be continued now this to me there there are two things two reasons why I think we're seeing this mass migration one is basically the freebies that we give to all these individuals that are coming here legally or illegally it doesn't matter we're just giving it to them and the second is especially as it applies to illegal immigrants
Remembering auto legend Lee Iacocca
"Lee iacocca he passed this week at ninety four this is the man who is responsible for turning around chrysler motors in gillette on demand and also the man who is responsible for the invention of these or the marketing of if you will the design and marketing the ford mustang all the way back in the nineteen sixties a he was a legend in detroit ten truly a legend and in detroit and he was a person who not only turned around the automobile industry in the nineteen eighties but really began i think they realization in a political sense of what what's going on with industrial base in america the manufacturing base in america talk a lot about working people some democrats tried to recruit him to run for president in nineteen eighty eight and they were using rhetoric even at that time we were most worried about japan at that time rather than china but using a lot of rhetoric that i think we would recognize from the trump era at any rate coca never actually got into politics an death nonetheless he did embody american auto industry at its zenith at kind of the peak of his a chrysler rescue popularity he also spearheaded the renovation of of ellis island and i think a lead as a child of italian immigrants a lead all americans to sort of celebrate are immigrant heritage yes he did indeed is his father had come from san marco italy saint louis nikola and he came through ellis island as did my grandfather
Executive, Lee Iacocca And Henry Ford discussed on Joe Walsh
"Auto executive in American corporate icon Lee Iacocca has passed away at the age of ninety four straight speaking ambitious enthusiastic and influential Lee Iacocca's for side is a Ford executive brought the legendary Mustang to the market place after falling out with Henry Ford in the early seventies Aikoku joint Chrysler and with the economical K. car help despair that company from bankruptcy and also during his tenure set the foundation for the development of the family mini van his nineteen eighties restoration efforts for the statue of liberty and Ellis Island which
"ellis island" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Gross. We're going to talk about an earlier part of immigration history. When as my guest, Daniel, Okrand writes, a perverse form of science gave respectability to the drastic limits imposed on the number of Jews Italians Greeks poles and various other eastern and southern Europeans seeking to come to America. The quote science was eugenics which theorized that traits like intelligence and morality were inherited and therefore through selective reading you can improve the quality of the Uman race. Of course, the converse was also believed to be true certain individuals or groups of people would pollute the bloodline those undesirables where the people the restrictive immigration law of nineteen twenty four was designed to keep out. Oakland is the author of the new book, the guarded gate bigotry eugenics and the law that kept two generations of jus talionis and other European immigrants out of America. He here's the rhetoric of that era echoing today Daniel Okrand, welcome back to fresh air. I'm very happy to be here. Did you write about anti immigration movements of the past to put President Trump's hardline immigration policies into historical context? No. I can't say that. I did that just happened to be an unfortunate coincidence or maybe commercially a fortunate coincidence, I began to write this book because I stumbled across the store of eugenics in America in the early part of the twentieth century, and as I looked further into it. In addition to those things that many people have written about particularly planned breeding, sterilization, I stumbled across this immigration story where you gen-x was used as a primary weapon in the effort to keep southern and eastern Europeans out of the country, resulting a law passed in nineteen twenty four in place for forty one years that really gave the lie to the no. That we were in nation of immigrants. So your grandparents like, so many Americans grandparents or great grandparents came to the US in the early nineteen hundreds before the restrictive nineteen twenty four tell us a little bit what immigration from Europe or eastern Europe was like then what did it take to get entry into America? Of to get entry into America before the night. I twenty one act of you needed to get on about come across the ocean show up at Ellis Island and not have a contagious disease or any other very obvious disability or criminal record or be suspected of certain criminal activities, but beyond that the door was wide wide. Open to the huddled masses that Emma Lazarus wrote about and describe just a little bit. Ellis Island was like in the early nineteen hundreds Ellis Island opens in eighteen ninety two and within a few years. It becomes one of the busiest port spots anywhere in the US. There are hundreds of thousands of people in some millions of people coming through Ellis Island, a long snaking lines detention dormitories hospitalization areas. There was a very very busy place in a very alienating place for a lot of people because of the examination that people have to go through particularly for to berkey Las Tacoma and other other diseases, but once through the line and then onto the ferry boat that took people to Manhattan, it was really a wonderful place to have been is interesting you describe the detention dorms and Ellis Island is being really large rooms divided into cages. Put people into cages really to kind of as holding pens. Cages. Maybe a little bit too scary. A word they were they were. Why why are walls that kept people apart from other people, and it was segregation by sex segregation by people who might have diseases. It wasn't detention remotely like the detention that people coming across the southern border submitting to today, you sound a little bit about why there was such a large surge of immigrants in the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds a couple of things that happen in the late nineteenth century that lead to the enormous immigration. That begins really around eighteen eighty and then goes into the retro rockets fire around eighteen ninety one was the ex the creation of a continent wide railroad network in Europe that enabled people from the interior parts of many nations to get to ports. There was also the promise of something better. And that is H family or family member would come to the US and right back to what to relatives at home. The streets may not be paved with gold, and they may be asking us to pay them. But there's real opportunity here. Desperate poverty, particularly in southern Italy. And other areas was a driving force for many, many people, and if he could scrape together the dollars that could get you to a port and onto a boat, you would want to come and, of course, for Jews or the progress that were Jews were living, basically in ghettos, and they were being attacked. So they had a good year to flight of the Jews of the Russian empire. Now. Poland Lithuania, Ukraine, various other modern nations where had beginning in eighteen eighty two. There was a severe restriction on their rights under under czar Alexander, not only were there crumbs, which people were subject to horrible physical crimes, but also limitation of where you could live. What occupation you could go into freedom of movement was radically Cretaceous critique and. The people had a very very strong reason to to get out. So during the spirit of the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds before the restrictive immigration laws that laws that will be talking about monetarily the immigrants that were considered good immigrants and immigrants that were considered dirty filthy stupid immigrants. What was the dividing line? Well, it depends on who's doing the considering. But I think we're talking specifically about the Protestant. Elites of the northeast New York, Boston Philadelphia who have enormous political power at the time, and they saw immigrants coming from the countries that they had come from and people have similar ethnic background, which is to say the countries of north western Europe, the UK the Netherlands Scandinavia, Germany, all Protestant countries. They were okay. And those who are coming from the Catholic and Jewish countries were simply not, and there was almost universal except I suppose for France. But the eastern and southern Europeans were looked upon by some of these people as really less than human. And the sociologist Everett Ross who was later this national chairman of the American Civil Liberties union, he described this very liberal and progressive man, he described looking at the immigrants the eastern European emigrants in union square, New York and seeing what he described us here suit low lowbrow big faced persons of obviously low mentality acts like people who clearly belong in skins in waddled huts at the close of the ice age. It's a pretty terrifying image and characteristic of those who wish to close the door. So the first exclusionary immigration law passed in eighteen eighty two and that was the Chinese exclusion act to keep out both skilled and unskilled Chinese labourers, why were the Chinese people singled out by that law? I mean Chinese people built the the railroads that's why they were singled out one of the reasons because it was a labor issue that the the railroad magnate Jim hill, he said, why would I want to hire one American? To do this kind of work when when I can hire six Chinese for the same amount of money to do it. So the notion of the jobs that were disappearing to the Chinese. They created an enormous backlash in the nascent labor movement of late nineteenth century. And then of course, there was the racial issues. They were different they were different. And therefore by the code of the time and of too many errors they were lesser as well. So let's talk about the science of the junk science of of you. So what was the, you know, like pseudoscientific basis of this the origin of eugenics is in England. And in the latter half of the nineteenth century, it really comes out of Darwin away out of some very good science, Darwin upsets, the entire balance of of the scientific world with his discovery and propagation of the ideas of evolution. And then once you stab wished that we are not all derived from the same people from Adam and eve, which was the prevailing view of the time. Then we learned that we are not all the same. We are not all brothers. If you wish to take that particular position, and the the early Genesis believe that and thought that we could control the nature of the population of a nation. The UK at first or the US by selective breeding. Let's have only the good breed with the good unless not let the less than good breed Francis. Caulton who was actually a cousin of Darwin's who was the the man who named eugenics and was I most vocal advocate. He suggested early on that the UK find the five thousand best young men in the five thousand best young women and pair them off in arranged marriages, which would take place in one huge ceremony in Westminster Abbey presided over by Queen Victoria, and each of these families. These new couples would be given a yearly stipend so instead of working they could get down to the business of making better people better babies for the UK. Now, this was kind of a positive view in a way. But it implied the opposite that became popular in the US that we have to stop the reproduction of those who don't improve our our so called race who don't make the country a better place in this negative form of eugenics is the one that begins to bubble into popularity in the US around nineteen thousand nine hundred twelve so it wasn't just like intelligence that was considered to be an inherited trait. It was like morality. That's really stunning thing. You find some very well established scientists Fairfield Osborn the head of the American Museum of natural history for twenty five years he outright declared that it is not just intelligence. It is also morality that is inherited and criminality is inheritance really stunning to. Thank the people who are very very well credentialed. In the natural sciences. Could. I believe these things, but if you begin your belief by by thinking that certain people's are inferior to other people's it's very easy to adapt. Your science to suit your own prejudice. And the Genesis had ways of evaluating which ethnic groups were the smartest in which. We're the idiots. Let's talk a little bit about some of us tests. Go go. Go ahead. Well, there are any number of tests in various places almost all of them of equal on reliability determining whether to determine whether people were of sufficient intelligence, one of the most famous ones was the so-called alpha test that was given to nearly two million soldiers in World War One by Robert M yorkies who is now memorialized in the yorkies primate research center in Atlanta, federal facility, yorkies gave tests that included questions on that were sort of almost jeopardy questions on reverse in the question. Like is bud Fisher. A choose one outfielder cartoonist or novelist now if you've just been the country for five years, and you don't speak English terribly. Well, how are you possibly going to answer a question like that? But it was taken seriously as a measure of intelligence to such a degree that Carl Brigham who later became famous for inventing, the SAT Princeton psychologist, he said, well, these are the kind of questions if you know, the answers that shows that you've been in America, and you're an American, and that's what we're trying to establish. We're trying to find people who deserve to be in America. Mentioned a couple of other questions here because these are just. Great. Okay. The Wyan dot is a kind of horse foul cattle or granite. All right. I'm thinking really hard to be of sweater forming on my forehead, I'm going to go with cattle. You're wrong. I left it up. There's a Wyan that chicken so kick me out of the country. I don't standards do not. Okay. Let's take a short break here. And then we'll talk some more. If you're just joining us. My guest is Daniel okra, not is the author of the new book, the guarded gate bigotry eugenics and the law that kept two generations of Jews Italians and other European immigrants out of America will be right back. This is fresh air..
"ellis island" Discussed on KDWN 720AM
"Seem to be good and try to be good, but they wear themselves out. Trying to get love. Damned if they get love, damned if they don't get. Because when you get love, it isn't just a feeling. And you have to give something of yourself to have a good feeling. But you give us something to from yourself to for that person to give you a good feeling, and you become addicted to it. Could be sex. Could be. Roast beef. Pick your favorite food. Look around and see how fat ugly. Americans have become. And getting worse. When I came to America. It was beautiful. I mean. Ellis island. I can remember this old Geezer here and got off the boat. As I don't know if they do it anymore. Position. Sweet thing we sing a little song. And. Learn a few things about being an American. And so I came American but not not yet. I loved America. I still love it. I love it more. This has such.
"ellis island" Discussed on KDWN 720AM
"We'll put it that way in Omaha was minus ten or minus five or there's not very very aggressive wines, and there's not snow or ice. But this is still pretty uncomfortable. I had the worst New Year's Eve ever. Well, I guess it could have been worse. But so I got tickets to see a concert at Brooklyn bowl and a couple of good rock rock bands playing out there living color at elite is way soukous bands. Remember, those guys right living color, you remember, those guys culture personality or do you not you're younger than I am. I actually have no idea where they are. Okay. Well, that's fair enough. But anyway, I'll be totally honest. Thank you. I feel very I feel like it was a show with Jim Carey, I'm only thirty eight years old to thank you for making me. Wonderful. Anyway, that's anyway, I was driving around JD to try to get a parking spot. I'm not exaggerating for an hour and a half for an hour and a half. I couldn't find a parking spot. I'm talking about a paid parking spot. I could not find for an hour and a half. And when I found finally found a parking spot. It was all the way Ellis Island. So I park at Ellis Island. But here's the hell of my life. Okay. I'm with a girl who's wearing high heels. A right. And I am shivering. I am not dressed to be outside. Okay. I'm wearing a sweater. I'm not wearing a beanie. I am bald. So I am extremely uncomfortable. And the worst part about it is Ellis Island, Brooklyn ball. It's maybe a half a mile, maybe not even that much probably probably less than that probably a quarter of them up. But anyway, it was freezing. It was forty degrees. It's Wendy, and and just trying to picture this. I am extremely cold. And uncomfortable. And I would like to be running. I can't run. In fact, I can't even walk fast because I'm with someone that's wearing high heels. So I'm taking these anybody steps I am miserable. It was horrible. By the time. I got to the Brooklyn ball. I was probably in the worst possible mood. You could be in. I hated it. I was I was so angry and someone comfortable so we get there. I watch. If I watch a little bit. It hits midnight. We're walking around and I.
Some national parks remain open during shutdown, others close
"TSA will continue to operate national parks closed. But the state of Arizona will be keeping the Grand Canyon. Open and New York state will keep the statue of liberty and Ellis Island open as well. The partial government shutdown will last until at least Thursday when lawmakers returned to Capitol Hill or at fifty one degrees right now in Peachtree street. Atlanta's most accurate and dependable forecast is coming up. The death toll has soared past two hundred and Indonesia after a volcanic eruption triggered a NAMI more than eight hundred others hurt and doesn't still miss aftermath horrifying the sue NAMI. Tearing apart hundreds of homes sweeping away hotels flooding streets and overturning 'cause the injured rushed to hospitals in the area. Rescue teams rummage through the rubble in search of survivors entire town swept away BC's. Julia MacFarlane reports the wave struck a popular beach resort in the area between the islands of Java and Sumatra.
Therese Patricia Okuma, Trump Administration And Ellis Island discussed on Afternoon News with Tom Glasgow and Elisa Jaffe
"Climbed the statue of liberty in protest this past fourth of July says she has no regrets despite being convicted and facing jail. Chime Therese Patricia Okuma was with. A group of activists on Ellis Island this summer, the plan was to protest immigration enforcement. But she had her own idea climbing the pedestal on which lady liberty stands to speak out against the Trump administration's enforcement of the southern border, welcoming damn lady liberty symbolizes, what will show them is cages. So if I go in a cage with them, I am on the right side of eastern found guilty of trespassing and disorderly conduct Okumu faces sentencing in March of next year and could receive up to eighteen months behind bars, James
"ellis island" Discussed on The RobCast
"If you want to hear the holy shift tour you can download the audio at my site. And then tickets are up for the first few cities of next. Year's tour which is called an introduction to joy, we have to do you need to come out to one of these two are stops. I would love to okay, we have to work this out. We do have to stay in the state's long enough. The first two or starts in Orlando in January eighteenth, and it goes to Tampa January nineteenth. And so Florida, I see you. And I am coming your way to start the introduction to joy tour that I did I leave anything out. I think that's the things that are happening. A couple of things that are going on. But that's all that we have Alexander shy in the back house. I am here. He has an international. Figure with a background in anthropology. He studied with Joseph Cambell, he was born and raised in Birmingham. Alabama believe it and your family. Your grandmother came from Lebanon, all my family, and my parents were born in Lebanon and came here is children. A Lebanese Alabama amp throw Pala gist, and it all comes together in this beautiful human being we know to be Alexander shi'as. Because it for the very first time this year, I got a chance to go to Ellis Island. And it blew me away. I just saw looking at those stories and realizing for the first time what my grandparents went through two and my parents as children to come here. And your grandmother had your mother when she was fourteen. Yes. My grandmother was was married at the age of thirteen and had my mother during her fourteenth year in Lebanon in Lebanon, and then when they come to the states, my mother was just about a year old. When a fourteen year old mother left, Lebanon came to the states, right? And what would have been the forties. Well, you're with that of nineteen twelve nineteen twelve good Lord has off thirty years. Nineteen twelve nineteen twelve and the ship was store. There were great storms in the Atlantic. The ship was stalled I ran out of food scurvy broke out. And I won't even go into the rest of what they faced. But it was they were so fearful that when they got to Ellis Island that they're going to be turned sit back because they were sick. So not just I stood at Ellis Island. I looked over at the statue of liberty. And whether details about the statue, which I never knew before was is that she's her her left foot is raised. Yeah. That she's not standing waiting for immigrants. She's reaching out for them. Anyway. That's Brealey beautiful. So..
"ellis island" Discussed on Glowing Up
"We we had vegan pizza last night at doubles zero. And he doubles zero fans anyone. Yeah. Vegan cheese play. We went crazy for. Yeah. It was fun. What you loved it. I liked it. I liked it. It was good. It. It was so unsatisfying my God. You can't see that. It was good. It was really good. It was we tell this bueller sitting next to tell them about that. Okay. So we were sitting all the restaurants in New Yorker, so crowded you're like n people space grew that those it's too intimate. I mean, you're rubbing elbows with people feels like you're in steerage on a ship to Ellis Island at just you're having a nice meal, and you're rubbing up on people, and we were with this group of people, and it was clearly disguise birthday. And you'd think on your birthday dinner. You would go somewhere where you really wanted to go and your friends would really back you up. But he was like, I don't know about vegan pizza guys. Love regular pizza. It's not gonna taste the same. And it was just going on and on about how bad the vegan pizza's going to be and his girlfriend is like, well, you know, it's different. We never said it would be just like pizza and it's impossible for us to not participate in the conversation. Because a issue I have. I had to participate, and I was like do you want to just try a slice of art pizza to see if you're going to like it? And he was like, wow. Wow. He was like, no, it's fine. I'm sorry complaining, and I was just like remember I was like I just don't want your friends to suffer anymore. That was me. That was so I can't believe you picked a fight with that, man. He was in my business. No, he wasn't kind of. And then he was like this Pietton. But then the end of our dinner, we ordered to desserts at one of them was base. Oh, we ordered and paid for it on our own with the Starbucks app. Is it this isn't fancy isn't gratis. And then so we ordered this like fried dough ball vegan desert, and he soon as it arrived. Like, that's what I want like that. I can get my. And then his friends were like stop getting another people's conversations, and he went they did it. I. It was awesome..
"ellis island" Discussed on The Empire Film Podcast
"She's grabbed by the heavy so they don't have jurisdiction to go through but then they do communicate with the stormtroopers you start who start like searching everybody there which is what he rushes into the arms of the empire away from them whether they play the imperial mumps and they the in in major k or viner keyed like the different it's really weird little touch it's a clone mos thing as well i think they used in that okay but to get you remember the original theme tune as the as the unthought which always muse me and that leads we're not do seem by saying we might as well build up to this bit that leads to perhaps the film's single worst thing which is when han goes through to apply for the imperial academy and because he go go by the imperial officer what's your name and goes i just han surname who who who who your people i don't have people okay let me think about this then hon what could it be so low yeah really bored in his like he must be just i mean the polls was to on that was not the tight to us they hung on that fall to long it might take more of an ellis island vibe like he should have had an incredibly long complicated name or even a leila vibe incredibly long complicated name he goes with that and just right so that would have been funnier to or like a massive queue of people out out the back of the building and he has really quickly process all these kinds of on.
"ellis island" Discussed on Freakonomics
"And that there is one and only one responsibility of business to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so what are the inherent conflicts between profitseeking and corporate social responsibility well i'm very familiar with the business of business is business but we don't make lipstick we make medicines vaccines and so i do think even you'll see a vast difference in how industries approach this work but for pfizer you know in order for us to discover develop those medicines in mexicans they have to get to the people that need them we have to have functioning healthcare systems and we've got to be more creative and address those needs in a very meaningful way the mean we're living in a time of vast income inequality around the world we know that the poorest of the poor no longer live in the most remote villages they don't live and low income entries actually live in middle income countries they live an urban centers and governments are failing to provide a very basic set of services and so what does that mean for a big multinational company that's in the business of health we've got to adjust and do our part to prove to those patients in those communities that we will help them get access to quality healthcare medicines and vaccines and that's what we do so give me an example of where you're having huge success with that whether it's life expectancy alleviation of suffering prevention of death at cetera et cetera so a perfect example of that is our work in addressing tacoma it's the number one cause of preventable blindness and what happens is that you get a repeated infection and over time your eyelashes turn inward it's quite painful and you go blind and interestingly people who came into ellis island were checked for tacoma before they were right you'll might see remember seeing.
"ellis island" Discussed on Mark Bell's Power Project
"I know syria was is strange ling rats won't even need it so bad for you did the since it's insane but we feed its where kids all they were like your try this it's unbelievable that became part of the culture that yours was the highsugar we whatever prior likely her breakfasts man bad dude robot our screwed we can't get out of it it's bad anything about that that's like you know just the status quo of what everybody british his own messed up that people will talk other people out of exercised will talk other people out of doing something healthy and more don't don't buy it you why you brought a protein shake us because it's bad for your kidneys are bad for your liver it's like late y yeah i think what about the ice add this client one time more your own through in and how frozen yogurt has no has very showgirl or lay like i'd get clients that would come to the gym and they would you like to honey buns from the fucking gas station on like dude like did you not look at the back of the eye it is amazing in like that is just as part of their day were never going to be you know um out of business i mean just from a standpoint of like being in the fitness because it just so needed it all so needed how you got me thinking honey iif they taste good i'd love to get your take is obviously a huge fitness professional knowing everything about supplements the the branding in supplementation right now the the consistency of the doctor in a lab coat that we all know he had a fucking doctor in a car i call on all the brands look like neon signs projects so so what we try to do is we try to literally create a brand with an identity that's totally different right this dude look like he's from the twenty he looks like a aegis guy you're from ellis island in asia jack like old swirl circus exactly so does that effect an and then obviously we don't look at ourselves as a supplement company we look at ourselves is a brand and i mean we move over fifty thousand tshirts lesser does that fact.
"ellis island" Discussed on Pat Gray Unleashed
"Mm hmm don't you agree or in what other other stipulations they should have um yes i do agree others would other stipulations you have have what i wanna know hey the american way you know sit is thanks darlene that's exactly what i was talking about earlier segment we're met word were were driven to believe that this is like the old immigrants coming through ellis island it's not now it's not close now well that was that involved legal immigration this that's not what this is about iin the phrase uh this is a nation of immigrants drives me out of my mind out on by mind yes ligo integrates built the country legal immigrants that's not what we're talking about here triple eight nine hundred thirty three 93 amy in minnesota you're on the blaze i i guess would like to ask these moderate people what was the point of all the tough target for just kind of role over and do the same thing that you know done anyway um um you know talk about the narrative he called people a bunch of names and then he just does what is the democrats want in my point in calling wishes to say that my husband who loves trump thing 'cause this is all just a ruse he's gonna give them this thing intense they won't compromise on the chain migration part in the wall part then he can just yank the whole thing and say no more daca.
"ellis island" Discussed on Mason & Ireland
"You will no longer receive mail because the post office would be shut down greg true or false people received mail now but masae false through see break the thai i'm gonna s i can't remember less male i got i'm going to say false that is false the us postal service would continue to deliver mail they were as it is funded through the sale of postage products and services and by the way loses money every year i would think you would no longer be able to get a passport or renew your existing passport jay true or false of the government shutdown you would no longer be able to get a passport i'm going to say false steve i'm saying how it's true great yet true it is true euro for to the jay you've never been through a shutdown okay the number three the statue of liberty ellis island and the liberty bell plus places like independence hall would all be closed no visitors would be allowed until the shutdown would be over steve true or false i stature liberty ellis island liberty bell and they're callers are greg i think that's fall okay j yet thrown by the state i'm saint false okay i'm pretty sure it's true and i think governor cuomo use state funds to keep the statue of liberty opened during the brief mason is one hundred percent right you energyasia wrong all those plays no i know how to shuttering shutdown would be completely are completely closed and unless unless the governor does something that does it isn't showing that i i can live on your news right now three out of four you're doing very well uh okay as long as there is a shutdown people and social security i did a mason said one s there.
"ellis island" Discussed on Oprah's SuperSoul Conversations
"And to win this incredible medal of freedom has given to me i've thought of all the africans who were brought to this country longing for freedom coming on a nightmare in wishing for a dream i thought of the jews i thought of the arabs had thought of people coming from ireland when the potato blight it absolutely wiped out ireland i thought of all the people who came looking for freedom i was so overcome oprah the truth is if i had been asked to speak i couldn't speak at that time i thought of all those people are the ellis island all those people in virginia who got off the slaves shipped in jamestown asians coming to this country building the railroad to mateen fifty i'm april legally to bring them meets for decades abbas soul field they when i was taken out of that room i saw in ready to when you left that ruins ma'am at the white house at the white house knife sobbed him grabby to whom thank god i thank god i myself and i thank god for webb at the live m given to live and i thank god it back and see in your in smell and eat him i think got through friends in lovers and beloved and i think done for knowing that all those people have already paid for me this is one of my favorite lessons these words originally came from my as dear friend the novelist james baldwin these words are sacred to me your crown has been bought and paid for all you have to do is put it on your head it's reminder that you already have the power you already have what you need because of those who paved the way and came before you you've already been paid jal yes but people who would never even saw your face didn't know what name you would hair they paid for you already and so it me it behooves do bent to prepare yourself so you can pay for someone else who is yet to come whose name you'll never know trace you will never see amazing woohoo thirty just keep it going the good thing you 'have the way yes man for other people to first of all see themselves differ yesman yes yeah and it all started with.
"ellis island" Discussed on Radio Atlantic
"In nineteen seventy he leads a group of black squatters to takeover ellis island for several weeks then he's all over the national press for several years before he sent to prison once again for misusing federal funds and turns out the dr matthew is a mixture of herman cane crossed with ben carson crossed with oprah with like a dash of paul manafort thrown in there but the most important thing to know about him is probably his philosophy because it's a window into the really surprising politics of the moment you have to keep these two things in mind dr matthew is a black nationalist one and the nixon administration totally loves him too i want you guys to listen to a clip of him from an interview he did knockedover 1968 which will give you a sense of what negro was all about for her we are not a business organization where an organization attempting to rehabilitate the black man in america into an identifiable people we don't think it's enough to say that where just black man we must know which black man our way we might have a specific identity and we submit that the black man in america here has a particular history he has a culture he has a different about him because of the historical experiences he had that differentiates them from any black man elsewhere in the world so consequently we are a try a nation social nation if you will we call it the negro so you clip he's a black nationalist but he was introduced to richard nixon by pat buchanan and richard nixon would make him in some ways the centerpiece of his outreach to uh to black harlem black new york um in 1968.
Brendan discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 858 - Lizzy Goodman / Dana Gould
"Y you know and i are you going to have your on tv show i'm going to be rich no not anymore still have to go out you ask me in minneapolis and do a weekend uh but on that but i am on executives over tv show yeah i know is no actually no but you should plug your the mc's comedy special goes he didn't get one earlier all you'll have a commie i have many of them you of another what what i found what must have you feel about this moment where like i did the comedy stars would netflixing was good i was glad that i got the opportunity sure yeah but then you hear about like you know sign fokker's rock and louis this is like the ah they just gave jerry seinfeld half a billion dollars thank god because we need who was learning it's not i'm not even jealous but it's sort of like give me like a maybe maybe like five percent yeah yeah i'm not complaining but if you're throwing money away yeah exactly i'll take a little no i was a you know i they were it was one of those things where i was going to tapered and then i was gonna do it with the company that i did my last russia with and then there were the dates were confused and then there were like well we can only do it on this date and i was getting ready to go into production on season two of the show and i you know you can feel the material right inning and reaching pugh tressens sure and you feel like dying yeah exactly and i was i was looking at some nick i was looking at a new products that list as they go i really wanted to get it down ago and i have a really great agent at william morris them silvio lund who's really a terrific guy and he goes let's just do novel and he called up this record company in damn nailed it and and get it in and i do find the audio lives longer than the video so people listened comedy on the radio they listen to comedy on their phone i it's rare that they will sit down and watch a special again that's true that's true i l walsh asif yeah yeah exactly but all listen to especially again all this shit you always in the comedy records i've heard before i listen to because because now uh you know you have that done than you're getting ready to go back on the road and yet you've got to frantically get new shit guinness shit yeah i mean i i'm not i don't believe it has to be one hundred percent new but it should be you really not believe that or you just tell you i really i know i really do but uh i'm i'm much lower than the percentage that it should be i think people want to hear one or two hundred families that you know like i i dunno i got the idaho 'cause i think you and are similar in that in that whoever's judging that whoever saying i this year from the record whoever saying that usually we make them up and you out now there are no there are a couple of those is ideal hit that twenty percent of the suv his new wave that why do we listen to that guy because he's the guy that hates us as much as we do he sees this is already just the way we are with a little disappointed with this was never the almost you'll has got it but not quite right but i i you know i probably saw george karlin i don't know a dozen times my life and i would always love it when there was a oh well he's going to do baseball and football great disease and you go this is great listen to this i sure i i listen i like hearing beats like he because this museum it is a form of music digitally form of music when you know like i hear who i can was due over and over again if it comes up in 'cause i got the shuffle gone on ma if schimmel comes up and mike because like the ear was such a master of this very specific type of timing kind of like morose jewish he you know who it's it's the disease descended joan roma jackie veronica yep that good good poll well he told me although yeah and you know who else was heavily influenced by jackie vernon let me guess who stephen wright sure that makes a lot of ads yeah i love jackie vern yeah jackie o'brien was amazing scr i saw he was the guy i saw my parents took museum when i was like eleven oh my god where that's what change to me because i saw him on tv do the slide show and then he came to albuquerque and i saw it in the paper at out in albuquerque was a lounge in the hilton hotel phantom my parents took me that's fist of it and that was what i was like that's when i knew it whenever you but what if he opened bush and soon turkomans should they would have been fine but what we were close enough just to see like you know he's a hold and he's like you saw all of it is in this and that it was not afraid i was like this is still good i have this conversation with somebody is really really interesting is talking about how much i love rickles yeah and i was talking to a a younger com we'll they're all younger and owes quoting some rousseau stuff and this goes help us us laura his own because he so unworkable because it has nothing to do with that yes all music i love the ud in the rhythm of the music and i remember seeing him sometimes he said things that didn't even make sense but because no i will give you a beautiful example i was with your friend and mine rob cohen at the desert in and they had just had a giant renovation of the desert in and it was sweltering in the show room when he goes out a forty milliondollar renovation they get a great airconditioning system two facts on the roof of the peace looseleaf paper glenn doesn't mean a gut dim thing he could have said tortoises zeroed onesyllable i tell you and could as a bear as you know i'm not laughing because i am straight and therefore i'm exerting my heterosexual privilege via in a derogatory way no eases thought of that of that part of that of that and that's what i have yet but the weird thing is we give you isn't something like schimmel who is usually the victim of his own joke yes in his life had the life of fucking job yeah and then the political whatever's politically incorrect about it itself offering a software threat and then i don't like he is the victim of every jew every joke has a victim and symbols act it was him yet in something somehow that can elevate ivan i agree i agree yeah i don't know if i have these discussions but like i for some reason i'm just able the separate i i don't know that you know revisionism is necessary just because times change in terms of what you you you feel personally attached to her what you like i don't i don't odds visa will difficult but but i can says it already owned for me i can still you know i don't do we delete all that stuff do we delete are emotional connection to right i i don't see how that's possible tackle and it's like when we damn my have hitler's paintings i have to separate you have that book on i have the coffee table excuse called raspberry lauda angles lot of hard angles not a lot of people but a lot of beautiful buildings oh i used to joke about that it's like well you know hitler was vegetarian but but yeah there's an i think i also in a lot of it is just being the soldier nostalgia for being too beating a kid a like watching rickles on the dean martin roast and every but it's a totally different school of show business than new and i grew up with golfway told me the story that when he worked with reckles rickles would would just roast him all day uh and then afterwards a poolside now you set a small lead money the eu is a very carrying well that lowvolume that's where my grandmother said she go see him in vegas and he has yet on everybody but he too she's she put it like this he apologizes very nicely renault but the only thing with bob did he couldn't understand is that that he wore jeans onstage right easily bob you can't you have to get the dress nice addressed and that's the general that's the thing that broke for that generation like these kids they they would do about those things that was karlin the kid he's talking gripe but what i'm saying is in that era in for us it's i think it's like we understand that he's seeking safe haggar he gets it whatever and it doesn't have any leasehold me we gotta shoulder that and if it's like a you can attack me for y'all still respecting somebody who is not of david his original like and that's in and that's and that's a that's a valid point that you do have to update in and he didn't he didn't need he i was watching him i went down it was yuri lewis rabbit telling when he died oh yeah and i was watching the jerry lewis rose from 1968 rickles was on it with the two things that but that it will rise rose that's not even the right the idea the one the first who the killer who's just like jerry i say this from the bottom of my heart jerry you're a jew his justly all right yeah but the other almost didn't he goes you know jerry's a clown and there are a lot of grey clowns emmett kelly that's about i will not give up the other baru hui was rose the is when the martin ones and j jim stewart was on the day is and he goes a jimmy i spoke to the family you're doing fine hosts one there was one where he was on it was his last appearance he was his last carson appearance because johnny was retiring on and then he may johnny lab zohar johnny got into a coughing fit careful john every time you cough lentils at home highfiving the life little good will and i love one and it's a real shit have you seen that one where they built him a club filled with just celebrities the martin there's a dean martin rose who was might have been the d martin show where they wanted to recreate alive rickles show i have that 'cause i signed up for the guide them the other demar the i never saw coming i had no idea there were so many but there was one that came it might have been the d martin show but they set up a club they mean on a sound stage and had people like pat boone in the audience all the celebrities kartal malta bar like he was probably nineteen seventy the early 70s mid70s yeah and and rickles just went up and did his club in insulted ever yeah it was great and as you sweating mid70s when the american flag had wide lapels warren ugly i go it's an interesting question though about because i had this moment where you know being a comic as long as we have you know you and i are old guys already yeah and and by the way just two i am fully aware before anybody jumps down my throat about don rickles and whatever i know i'm i'm i'm done i'm in i'm with this is not what is contemporary this is my view of it pete townsend was talking about the john entwistle used a bitch about wrap that he didn't get it yeah and he said it's not our job to get it it's our job to get out of the way and and i am aware of that yeah i get it i get it yeah well no i mean i you know i can it's becomes difficult with depending on what the transgression is here to stay supportive you'll have to be supporters somebody you can condemn somebody and you can you think somebody's awful but still say that second record though that sure you know and then you somebody said a really smart the genome our solar arguello should young new comic really really funny really funny and really martin somebody was bashing some on woke person new than apologize for it and she said you know you have to let people make their mistakes and grow in public he kinda led have to you have to let people grow catches white dot terrorise them into some sort of cultural siberia yeah the you know the my last special the one before this one um i had the whole thing at the end of boat the our word uh and how it's now relegated wizards see word and i tried to do on those bits ya ya and i wouldn't in i did i mean the bit was a boat the strictly the nomenclature of equating that word with the n word in this year oh it was actually addressing the that that whole thing it wasn't about like i don't use it that way no because then i did use it uh you know i know is that i would never do this and then i did i cheated all over the place and i you know i i said it and i said the n word in the sewer day and i say them now relish at home time mutter myself but whatever i would i would nothing happened but i wouldn't have done i wouldn't do it today i got i did a bit about it about defending you know the use of it in you know in a sense of like in a ended this style gic way um y yo how you know what i mean i grew up with that yeah right but then i guy the guy that igf someone i think it was an email the just said we you know i'm the parent and in and that was a you know i like i had a couple of swipes but in eventually i got a handle on it i i did it and then i met john mcginley lose of very on the forefront of of of all those issues and it becomes real via an and it's not about first amendment that's about though these people have feelings and their young their lives and you're okay i guess that's the thing hey how attached are you two that really need it have you read them of using that word it's not he's no one's censoring anybody yeah it's like you're hurting people's feelings and it's already hard for them yeah exactly brilliant yes i guess they have a rough enough time any and you can and that is truly you can say that will riggles talking about fragile new have enough to have enough they have enough trouble i my my feelings about that are like you say whatever you want the shoulder the uganda water take the take the burn yeah tell uber then handle it what the what's this new were the new season standard against evil what's it did you finish it's all done joey finished it premiers november first on ifc house a different uh it takes the story it takes us roy for the premise of the story is the whole idea of the shows was quite simple i love horror movies are my football so i just thought what if i did a horror movie but put a character in the middle of it that didn't belong here and it was basically what if my dad was an harm of has he wouldn't give it doesn't know just know does he does no he doesn't give fuck right and and we used to make that joke if you remember the indicating kong he's on the building in the planes are flying area my brothers and i used to joke did of our dad was in one of those planes that he would fly out of formation check the scoring the baseball game comeback shoot a little bit more go back and i just thought it would be interesting if like what if instead of buffy the vampire slayer it was just an old irish guy that didn't give a shit and and that was the the premise and i didn't i my mother is still alive but his wife who would have been my mother dies before the show starts and because i needed them to have a giant vulnerability or is just hassle oca them what john mcginley did with that was created this amazingly nuanced character is a good actor huh israel has been around for a long time ago he's not fuck in a row it doesn't seem age much either doesn't know he's he's good lives at the gym i mean is this arms are and i say this knowing he's listening to it his arms are terrifying um uh no easing these in crazy like an old irish boxer from like a poster for the he's like hundreds who was in the issue williams was like five over visas and wall street is a platoon he was in any given sunday but he's built like an old irish bar and how he's all upper body and but he created the he gave this character so much more than than i had give it it on the page and and i have to also give jet at foreign ego amazing kudos for the way she balances him the ballast that she and as such a strong actress the because john is done so much of this work that for the second season i had to right up to him so i developed a whole arc of a story line where there is a time travel element where he's going to try to go back and save his wife's life oh wow and as as always happens makes things much worse oh good and that's the arc this as the art the season and what's the name of the record that see the digital this is what did them i call it a record 'cause i don't know what else to call it how it looks it in a my doubt because my downloads sounds vaguely filthy ah mister funny men and this is what the kids on her the account how many you've done how many record seventy special uh i have the worst i proudly have the worst album titles fun houses fine yeah but it's an they keep up album and his version is albums much better uh let me put my thoughts in you i know what's wrong which was okay this is mr funding in screwed what i mean the bigger problem is really the art work generally yes like looking at what you can almost any comedy record in you know somebody who's like move was i think and yeah homeless every comedy record bullets every comedian gets to be a rockstar for that that one day we you get to look figure your album cover via i did all right like you know in retrospect i don't have any stupid once i ask you know the last don't try to be funny on your color exactly don't try to be funny on your cover that's it that's it iin the war here quad split headshot via the worst people from boston we both novaya the what were their different panels viking different hats and i can't say it on the air but i'll tell you what were probably sure have on those i remember seeing it becomes clear i like how there were different has i know they can play different jobs it would be a fireman and a chef who was a doubt i will good well it's good talk in the arabian sea all dana cooled the great dana gould so lizzy goodman who i'm going to be talking to next in just a second um she was very good friends remarks pits the lay mark spitz they david years ago and mark spitz was a a great writer in his own right of music writer and wrote a greg memoir and he was on the show and because he passed not too long ago that you can still listen to episode in the in the free feed if you'd like it was a great episode very personal very engaged and we missile marqui we miss him you know i think i'm a good cook when i make food at home but there's nothing worse than not having the right amount of an ingredient or 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brainer for thirty bucks off your first week of hellofresh visit hellofresh dot com and enter the promo code wtf that's how of fresh dot com promo code wtf so lizzy goodman the writer is my guest and i met her when i met her with mark once but she put me in her book can we talked about it when she was writing then she sent me the galley and i didn't quite get to it then she sent me the real book and honestly i just skimmed it looked at my part but i have very little recollection i talk to her about this but whatever was happening in rock and roll from two thousand one to two thousand eleven i gotta tell you i think i miss most of it i don't know what i was doing i don't know where i was i mean the last time i knew i was really blocked in to root to rock and roll happening in real time was probably in the late eighties and then side some i just some i went away i don't know where i went but i wasn't i wasn't locked in i'll mocked back in but this the two thousand one to two thousand eleven i was just a struggling comic trying to figure it out i do i get sober like i guess was right after i got silver that might add something to do with it but i just wasn't keyed in to the new york music scene i was just keyed into the comedy scene there was some crossover we we hammered out lizzy and i hammered out and i talk a newer the book is called meet me in the bathroom rebirth rock and roll in new york city 2000 a one to two thousand eleven which apparently are my lost years but that's not true i did i did radio did air america away way i got divorced a guy they'll get married got married and divorced in those years that would have something to do with it so i was listening to music but it was like twelve to fifteen songs that i put on a fucking mix after my wife left me that letter of that a lot of those twelve to fifteen sok unita heartbreak mix i got one how how long you've in la i have a real problem here really i just i've been here for three days where he frazzled you not a dry did you drive i know you drive here i'm from new mexico i know how to write weaker of your friends with i keep i always forget that i wanted to go i'm going you i i think that's a great idea it's great there had to how long did you stay in new mexico till like 14 seconds after i graduated from high school which highschool albuquerque academy i don't i didn't tell me all this now probably not i don't know you went to the academy here how do you i'm two thirty seven twenty five i don't know i just had a birthday and i have been i realize that i've been telling people my old age for at least the last couple of weeks because i forgot the elderly seven i was born in 1980 what was your old age thirty six turns out are you've and you have a goto no no no i just i have this joke with my friend rob sheffield that might ages is 26 forever i have not really evolved pass that i may i'm moving i think i might move i have to me become hear a lot more now what's happened and so i'm thinking don't use drop that i will vote will that but at one of my biggest or i've been thinking about where i to live show alana's neon it seems to be happening fedronic yeah in what way but i will tell you but just my biggest concern is that i'm gonna miss winter and one of my friends his out mean half my friends that i hear one of my friends his lobbying been lobbying me for an ally move for a long time was just suggested to me recently and i never thought of this like you go to new mexico for winter go have winter new mexico's eventually just go have a mild winter well i mean it's cold it's not new york coal i live in upstate new yorkright now oh my god where high falls new york it's what are you doing up there i was finishing a book this book yeah that embassies different one who one of the one of avoiding talking about on your wedding efficient probably hate it which is fine this not hate is not the word disagree with no italian a disagreement thing i missed it of course i miss this if the it's called earth and rock and roll in new york city two thousand one or two thousand eleven i know none of the bans in the really would you like some help well that's why we're going to do but not down yeah yeah so yeah i like the idea spending the casual winter's in new mexico where he here in the higher or some parka whitesnow nodded loom area the luminary of i've in kerala's is awesome when you get your health through in the lights now no known does the candles anymore you can't go said i know they are good they one hundred percent you it's the real thing all right some people still do the rules of very traditional place kerala's new mexico we what we think about living here i'm not admitting that i'm thinking about overweight now i don't lie echo part will people i i don't like them i don't wanna be near them like i don't wherever the williamsburg of la is i don't want any williamsburg valet thank god is not because here it's like bloctobloc you know williamsburg maybe i don't know it's different i mean i want to live by the beach but every night if that he can't live vitamese because yield you know fall off well why show business quarter year because of the book a real yeah marks like oh that didn't even occur to me what an awful idea i have i have to tell you were important which can into serbia but do you know some people like it so is known and i i know it's people love it and i understand that not being yeah i'm very sure there's no i know you and i'm totally teasing you i this book is about a period where you could actually get most of the people to play themselves as their younger selves and it'd be pretty quiet pretty close he added in various no it's going to be there like documentary and and narrative at like fictional adaptation series ideas around that's great i'm excited about it i mean i want to do more of that stuff anyway and always have or have in the last few years and so it's like fund to think about how to make the i mean people i've just felt really gratified by the kinds of ideas that have been a you know because as skeptical that the whole hollywood here at it so far than the people that i think we're going to be working with are awesome well we're did you how'd you start out where'd you end up you went to the academy graduate you got brothers and sisters yeah i gotta younger brother take that's a good name yeah he's get he lives in nigeria really he's a foreign service officer he's a diplomat o good for him the state department and cut them loose yes no um now not yet that's good maybe maybe nigeria this sort of like what i stand ninety he got there he just got there and it's funny we're talking about luminaries he's going to have lumina or something he's having he's getting married in december in england here on dan and he's going to have all this new mexican stuff we've been talking a lot about the new bringing the new mexico to the new mexico christmas vibe to london thoughts nice yeah so what would you go to college after you can ran away to fill it i mean i wanted to be on the rules like right away it was all about new york as obsessed with new york and with the idea of lake eastern urban magic get the eu's when he grow up in a smart household in new mexico you i i want to go to where really happens i like all this cowboy cowboy intellectual shit i that's exactly how i felt i mean it is disturbing to be talking to you about this there there's basically no one who gets out of new mexico so those of us who do all have the same kind of like course spirit about that if you go back they go back oh hi tonnes tons yeah i mean you're going back now i've been thinking about it yeah it's drawing i think about it to the way on wife yeah my heejoo like i don't i like i i don't i'm done with new york i'm almost down with la whereas from argun go this is how i feel you say i'm too young to feel it this is literally the conversation i've been having while i'm here i'm like i will always feel like i live in new york that i don't need to live there anymore and so therefore where do i feel good well that's only corral us exact cheese like me literally only corral starting to feel that it's the only play me for me is not quite corral but i always romanticise prowess but i'm a couple of miles away how you i think would i very close to corral but a all right so dan study what english and classics and your girl at the plan was only good was to be a writer now what a crazy idea what idiot would do that you can't be a writer what was the point of in new york and what just like hang out no the plan was to idea you know i was eighteen i didn't have i had a i had a homing instinct not a plan like i'm gonna come to college because you have to go to college like i'll go as close to new york as they can go and i was really good student and i cared about being gets you now i love school and great china japan but no the plan what it what happened was and this is the right call like i now understand this in a way that i can articulate and didn't at the time that i advocate for it it's like i had to put myself near stuff that would so i could be in a position to have what should happen next revealed to me brian what i mean later that's what new york is yet it's a no to be you know for me and and for others that that's kind of what the books it out here at sense of i don't know why i'm going here i'm just going here because it seems something's telling me to do that and i can't tell you why and i may not even know right away or for years but it's where my next myself is going to emerge on the oddly e know it's because the place it new york holds in the cultural unconscious yes for years since the 70s yeah specially if you're groovy artistic you know literary it it's like it it's grooms large yeah it means something to mean something it's an idea and hand but there but still to this day there's nothing like it i mean you you know you can i can't live anywhere unlike well but do you did you find always at like i was just in new york and for the first time in my life i went over to jazz at lincoln center as fiftythreeyearold and it's have always been there and i was there for for fifteen years on and off and i did nothing like oh yeah hey like all this stuff veiled me like people you go the museum of modern art i did once twice here but i am now like i feel like i'm ready to do that stuff in its fortunate because now i understand new york pretty fucking while i can get around and ought to do what other so if i go in for three days on my show again see let's do it but that's okay that is exactly why my i feel like my current relationship with new york is among the best that i've had which is like when you leave you are able to to be a kind of the it's almost like the first fifteen years are investing in understanding the place enough that you can become a named formed tourist when you go there so now i do that too like i go in from upstate you know every week or so every ten days and i do three days of city staff all my friends i gutted restaurants i do all these things that i had no energy to do because those so relentlessly overstimulated by the time i laughed at that i was like i can't even like i just want to hide and so now there's this the slate has been cleared and it's like new york it's fun again but that i don't ever feel when i was nineteen and started coming to the city from philly all the time i felt like mm i needed it too like kind of worked on me in order to help me figure out how to become myself and now i know how to be myself how did you go there were year ranked ninety eight i moved to philadelphia and i was in school my dad is a new yorker semi dagger opens in status in town via and my grandparents unawares there for a while a who's going to get that apartment come on you tell me about the survivors adel got your grandparents of art okay it's on has pink walls the who is getting that next ruth good men lives there she she's you know she's she's it's her place man here i mean no one's it's a rental it still like i know rentcontrolled renzo deeply rent controlled rental yeah your eyes are like glinting the cia is the new yorker area edge rooms juve everyday that have what's the kitchen like hallander yeah it's the last of the rent control listen everything you're thinking is true it's your fantasy come true it's like the per it's an it's walker they've this would be good always is when you've when i was there you like the idea of control was i i'd rent stabilize but that doesn't mean something i and stabilise to that that's like they're like it's not as brutal so really when you move to new york in earnest this is when this book starts yeah i mean i started coming to the exactly like i started coming to the city from philly to see show i love the story is it's in the introduction to the book it's basically like i i moved to new york the first summer that idea college says after freshman year i i moved to the city i lived in my grandparents apartment i worked at murray yeah and i got a job in a restaurant you worked at sesame street i had an internship at sesame productions or whatever that it was the production company that pretty sesame street that will you write in turn shed you're gone for showbusiness i was not go i was like this is the justification for me being here that's the one the ethics as all i i didn't pick it it was like available and we really i was like i need to go hang out in new york city trash camera oscar with no no they never let me near it wasn't a coup it was like i don't even remember what i did i wasn't near actual sesame street it was the production cut it was it you know is a midtown office building that was set not no would you how could you work for sesame street nakos he were seriously streets production company produces a lot of shows sesame street the crown jewel i was a lowly turn we love the you're acting like this is my choice yet one day they rolled in and they were like do you want to go to the sesame street sat and i was like nath no that's not out having no anxieties me i was i was i you didn't meet ernie organiser continued i wanted to meet rock voice mark i tend not grow her no grown all right grover and the guy with nights in serious who you're like all right yeah he taught me how to ride the subway right are you there you're working says mystery not going to not doing all of the things that i know i've disappointed you deeply and just i got a job in a restaurant 'cause i needed to make money because i wasn't in school and i had to lake support you know i had free rant that i had to lake right pete or whatever you run by close i guess whatever i cared about at that time records and so i got this job at this i got this job training to work at this restaurant crossstrait from grand central station said they were opening any day now and they are hiring up staff i got this job and we end of course it took much longer for them to open and they had anticipated citybased they had hired this staff of kids board hot city kids who went there every day for like four hours and got paid this lowly amount of money and did things like practiced waiting tables and learned the wine list and stuff like that and my coworker was nickel anc who was the guitar since strokes and he was in this band like hit with his friends called the strokes of now the portal opened and you're well no i mean no it was years that was nineteen that was the summer of ninety nine and it was i mean it was a couple of years before like albert the other guitarist had not joined the band yet they weren't they it was my friend nix like ban nick i was nick was like halfheartedly in college and they were just city kids and i was i mean the portal that opened that summer was not rock and roll it was new york like oh nicholas cool in in that he grew up in the city and understood how to sort of like wander wale and how to get into bars and how did you set just it was sort is it was what like i had been learning i it with training wheels in philadelphia that as a new mexico kid like how do you how do you orient yourself in urban life and let these places kind of lake you know wash over you and expose you two things you're supposed to be exposed to how to get the rhythm down and that like nick and i would just hang out after after pretending to wait tables and you know lake wander round office parks and smoke weed in office park teller fina behind off sparked pillars and sort of like just wander around midtown it wasn't and then sometimes i would go downtown to lake st mark's and sneak into bars and do stuff like that beazley it was like that was what was pal 99 summer here that must that summer was those were my marriage was falling apart that was the other big thing that is happening for every avatars you knew marc maertens mary and who's out more a yeah and then he got thrown out of that house in the other find to subway weighed down us instead it was way chiller than what you are dealing with try and dukan redo one man shows that was that are that is i was the best theater oh my god the west bath yeah that became significant for me later really yeah because all the artists where had their studios in there and still do it's still let me extra to yes rate on the west that the west village became later after i finally moved to the city in two thousand two became like my spot because i don't like coolness like i don't like i didn't like i do not want to be on the larry cider off that city will whites places for me when i when i moved there i guess was eighty nine the first time and then i went back in nine the four remember you saying that yeah but but you know and i talk a little bit in the book about the you know what happened then but it really wasn't the only put i was just a little weird historical artifact you put that this from the guys from the generation before radio exxon giuliani for two minutes well i needed that i've might do i thought i was well represented good you were i agree um so this is all just before nine eleven yeah and the you've you found your place on the west side where it's not hip with artists that are well no i mean i went back to philly for like that so what i'm saying is that the that's why it's this is an important about the book the s not bands like i wanted to be a lawyer or something i thought it was gonna be a lawyer i was a school kid but i was pulled towards this sense of magic and misery about new york city that is the idea that we are already just talking about and he hadn't yeah i loved writing but i didn't work from my school newspaper i didn't it wasn't like what what it was was it was like i'm i i i was being drawn to some expression of culture that was related to my generation that i that had not happened yet and i did not know that that's what i was being drawn to you that i during the next few years in the part the four nine eleven were all these bans interpol yesterday as strokes and in you know white stripes and other place like around the world there all the stories that converged in the book all of those people were feeling similar things like assent this basically the same age as i was and feeling a kind of like i wanna make something that i don't entirely know what it is and like the world is not really receptive for this kind of this kind of vibe it's not supposed to be about urban call right now it's not supposed to be about notions of near and what was it supposed to be about in a music industry is supposed to be about dance music erica in you know i i mean in england it definitely was about dance music or was about like postscript popstar th i mean and in my business it was like i mean in the writing what became my business it was like it wasn't that exciting to imagine yourself as a rock journalists because there wasn't a lot of cool rocked the end so that's right it was sort of submerged in jam jammed asked you for a little while they're right i didn't think oh i'm going to be a music journalists i thought there's something about the way it feels to wander around manhattan at four p m on a really hot day in the summer where everyone rich has left the at they're making me feel like i'm getting somewhere and i can't really tell you why and so i went back to college and i studied and an ice kept in touch with neck and a couple of other people that i owe you and he would come and play shows and then i would see in philly and i will go see him and i had friends in philadelphia who are starting to lake want to go to shows so it was like it was a thing to do that had enough in it for years it was a thing to do that had nothing to do with aspiration of any kind and that was really important and it was also like it was like traditional rocking aware coming back it was not necessarily art rock punk rock was sort of finished in a way and and i guess wakeham sort of 'cause like some of the bands in the book i was given like for some reason at that time when i was there in late 90s in then like i left by two thousand two yeah but i was given cds and stuff for iced up for some reason i have the jonathan fireeaters he shot up i do that's awesome yeah they were so amazing i listen to it and i was into it but like what you're with that have been have 90s yes okay so okay so that was that times out yeah yeah they were the yeah they were round is great ho right i have my buddy john daniel was involved with music so i was sort of up to speed on something yeah okay will and 90s wealth that's all right i mean but like like jazz it only o good if you were there i mean that theoretically lay the thing about looking at the book and reading through some of it is that like when i read please kill me that was the those were before me and i was when that was what everybody was going to new york to find was that that's what this is about no i get that with moscow eyes were going to find that for sure and you kind of right about that yes like that's we're all looking for that thing that was like just it was just the the remnants of it and the and the people that were involved with that you'll first wave of whatever made new york cool were just kinda droopy greyhaired dudes walk around in their weather payments that don't fit any more with somebody going like that guy used to be something yeah if that if they are even living there anymore but i i guess i just think that that's the continuum i mean it's not like every winning please kelme weren't weren't polling on i see the continuum of that notion of new york identity as much much 70s as going ponca much further i mean i think much scher further back that than just whole idea it's it's it's i mean this is later but it's fifty yeah and it's jazz it's it's fucking ellis island man it's like come to it's it's in the american identity of new york gonna come here and you're going to reinvent yourself and the culture all potency of that has is almost as old as you know as the city in some way and so but specifically in the world of the arts yes you know what what you know what came out of new york and and what sort of defined it is you had a wealthy people who were willing to kick in to make she had happened yes right yeah and a lot away sure to reject the of a lot of the factors but then i mean you know that for us because this is my taste in i i i think yours too like the punk the 70s punt seen in cb jesus just like i meaning please county was my total bible i'm obsessed with everybody and napa i love that music that's my stuff i came to that late you're now the earth your specialty is more material for the business card wait to the partly to the party on air safety and wrong kinda leadership skills doesn't look good for any of us march mirror merit love martin on but you know i mean obviously there's also the whole greenwich village like i mean dylan for most people dillon is the touchstone for this and it's so the idea that new york is this place that's constantly polling on a previous constantly kind of coopting and borrowing its own past self via to reinvent for a new group of young people essentially the a new for them version of the same thing how are they related to turn all right they can still find the space there if they can still kinda save their which is the question now but like for my for this book for young in the bathroom like i don't see it as a see it as just this sort of the the the chapter in the cannon at that new york cultural story it's just rose right into the bookshelf right there you know after police kelme and after madonna and light up before whatever comes next but it's just it's a stop it's a stop on the larger train i think that and what comes next is going to be a a prominent either chinese or russian trend do you have that i'm good authority seems like it that's the vets me speculating that summer noncash catastrophic start i have is not catastrophic at all as i say that so so when now way what starts to drive when did you meet the the the way great mark spitz i met the late great mark spitz pretty early i i assume he he served as some sort of guide to whatever the fuck happened to you while yeah i think he'd really like you putting it that way well what mark would say is that i thought he tommy everything i know of on so he would want me to say it that way i tell you this bright i've kid from new mexico through philly who's looking for a rock fantasy and that dini and blames outta some yes he's like i can help you out seles ruin your life and i was like great and say it's the glare sorry yeah he talks in his memoir about how i was wearing flipflops for spammy and he's like they're not shoes zia like he was very my new mexico vibe was pretty united wearing makeup i didn't like i was still kind of like fresh scrubbed girl that point and i think mark with space mark dea like you know bad bad asrat girls with lake peroxide blond hair and he was sort of like you are entirely to clean for me basically and i was like okay but you like me no no as a recipe for disaster who's gonna win well that's where it's later and he would say things to me like yes chased me you know and i was like hot can you do the thing amassing unity or what he writing for spin when you met him yes so the way i'm marklevinshow sara louissant who is also a great character in the book and one of my best friends was my roommate in new york when i first moved there so i graduated from college and by that time it was clear that like the city's music scene was happening and i felt i was like dare to it i was inspired by all of i was inspired i was inspired by and have sudden a there was something to write about nato i then was like i wanna be a writer who writes about this but i i taught secondgrade frontiers first 'cause like i can't be a writer thought that's nice i taught at an allboys private school on the upper east side uh glazer's no really has a double life for awhile we were real like fullon teacher major oh yeah misguided men secondgrade whether in how what how did that and why did that and it a two year and it's like your estate teacher and then you either maybe you kind of the carrying on of that would have been to go get a degree in education and like stay in school and would stop you from doing that oh you know i'm are on that cya now now he loved at he he would talk about how wake up in the middle of the night and i would go 'cause i had i talked to my sleep and here go boys get in line and you'd be like jesus who is this girl and is scary she's like yeah so now okay so now you're you're getting you're you're getting involved with the rock senior roommate is what is she says sarah was marks like little protege at spin so i met mark before i graduated from college actually at coachella the one of the first coach as i went out with sarah to see if we could live together we went to this rocked festival together to lake try it on here and on she introduced me to mark who is i mean it's it's in the book their their meeting is pretty awesome like he was he didn't understand instant messenger and because and he's mark air sarah i was like this sort of protec savvy little jewish girl in new jersey who is who liked his writing it's like high and i'm also girl he had like why is this window coming up and they can eventually she wore him down in the house and so she introduced me to him and we had you know a serious series of battles for about a year and a half that then got together and yeah i mean mark was my tour guide through he was writing for span he was a hot shit writer writing cover stories about all these bans and how'd you manage not to get all fucked up i don't know my i honestly i i think it's genetic i i really do i just i don't know may just have the thing i'd die went out and drank every night like everybody else and reich you know there is all kinds of drugs around in yet but i just didn't care that much about it for you but it's not good for me that makes it sound like something i get credit for and it's not like i get credit every not be compelled by that like the like to just a drink in smokes from we'd and just enjoy the music you don't have to go you know you i mean i like you don't have to divert alliance but it's it's it makes it sound like it's a matter of sort of will and it's not it that's why are saying connecticut's like i don't have i'm compulsive in other ways right now i get it i get it that's why i'm saying you're lucky unlucky yeah so that's how okay unlucky so let's talk about you know the the bands that define this thing and the ark of this book because yeah like i just i i think i got my first walkman album like six months ago okay i'm larry liking it so okay i think i got that guy so record i thought that was get those good singer yeah so the strokes you knew that you saw them become what they want us in then and then like the the white trips our guests were coming in from detroit occasional yeah but i didn't the white strips were not like sort of first generation in new york of that were like any who has that were the strokes interpol yay as an lcd soundsystem feel like the whole lcd soundsystem thing like people are like you got your view murphy guy got your mike i don't know what he did so i had to get quite catch up with dfa miyazu jonathan the guy over what is the aga he sent me all this shit yeah i like that the prince worn dance called record yes good first record i love okay maharidge starting went ahead to go find me that record like i said you have one of them around their way it not be you know we have one ring laying around here we were using as a as a as a like a a map for when you eat your time castle your way into this that's you will love james and y'all that's i listen to a no it's great it's great i watch the movie and i i actually narrated a short documentary five lcd thousands of heavier like who the fuck is this no anyway script evaluated out but like i know he something because he mental i too a lot of people like i can see how they met something that people can also see how they kind of like you know kind of like well there's a there's a gap pure that was once occupied by the talking heads yeah that we should climb in do totally the talking heads said that i mean that's what i got no problem that kinds of sending okay i am not jane so you're not to defend now i understand how music work tell me more i understand you tell me my understand that there is now out of new she it yes and that you just keep inventing the old shit i think i mean yeah all right sure i think the thing that all the judge the the period that the book covered with the book is about is not music it's about all the things we i talked at it's about it's about new york it's the central character it's about what it feels like for this group of people at that period of time under to do a thing that is eternal as we just described which is to be young and to feel on scene and to get together with certain friends serendipitous lay that you meet who unlock something in u n two in the shadow of lake at theoretical anonymity make something beautiful that makes you feel alive i mean it's pure that's like that's art that's young people that's new york city that's rock and roll that the but it's important for the book that the context is also from my generation are these people that we're talking about it's happening in in coincidence with all these other major global events like napster we just 2000 and nine eleven which is one hundred percent you know a huge part of this story obviously and it's about and then the reinvention of brooklyn and the commodification of brooklyn and the exporting of that via the internet the newlyborn internet to the world as this sort of notion of how to live like a lifestyle brand to be earth to by going to interview james he said i was trying to dip into that like the brooklyn idea in williamsburg and all this stuff in kenneth ease my way in he goes oh yeah that's all our fault like cool thanks scott and it's that's what so this story is about that but it's about that through the lens of paul banks and carreno and yes you know later jack white or the kingsley on guys or whatever and then off to england and off to the killers in vegas and around the world but that record we should nikola pile of what you did have it'll be about three hours them sti no than i i know i the jonathan firefighter that's a hall in allied it yeah that's a you know you get points for that that's a big crowd point the area the i like one thousand out is great i thought it was pretty good but those bans i mean to answer your questions such as it is it's like there's no like yeah there's nothing new under the sun and this is a retaliating of a generational story there will be i i believe that people make things new i i'm not one of those people that yadav a problem with appropriation i don't have a problem with with the of the evolution of music and he because like if you really look at rockets the people that really make something completely new or generally misunderstood and you may be years later people like i think i get it and somewhere they're like nato the other but there's a core group of fans that are sort of like worthy the only one said get it yet that bullshit any basically the story of the book too i mean if this is mark says this in the book i mean he's one of the greatest characters in it where he's basically like look i was 28 and writing for spain or whatever less was thirty something his thirty already and writing for span and like mark who had an encyclopedia harry say that pete accent encyclopedic thank you very much sandy pratt thing music and film knowledge and all that stuff of was sitting there in new york city loving york city's sort of but just board and that the thing that this that this that there's the sort of beginning of the book that everyone had in common energized boredom energy everyone was bored james murphy was bored he did not know carreno carreno was bored she did not know julian julian was bored gillian didn't know paul paul uh the interpol paul was bored and it was like in their own independent corners of this town at that period of time they all did something about that board and then mark spitz or sara or any of the other sort of non musicians but journalists future bloggers a and our people like all the different sort of um i don't know contestants in this in this like road show here all had in common that sense of what we have here right now is really not enough and we need to like build something cooler and no one else is doing it so we're gonna do it so when spits heard like i mean he says this hilariously in the book where he's just like you know when i heard the white straits it took me a minute to figure out that i was being saved because it was my job to write about mark mcgrath every day and like there it was boring it oh yeah loaded orient and that's the story idea like i get it i get it it's like well boredom mikey to classify all those artis as board i understand that but i think that if you in the history of of what happened with punk rock in the sort of like you know kind of strange angry apathetic posturing that happened is that what it comes down to though anybody who surfaces with any consistency may be board but their workers oh right well that oh totally i mean and that's also new york city like everyone in that town has to labour via the i got a want it yeah and you've got to keep pushing two two to sort of break away from the pack of garbage because in any city especially that size you know for every one may be original band there's going to be like twenty guys just tooling through rehash especially in an era where i mean it's hard to in it's hard to overstate this and it is crazy now but i mean it really seems crazy now that like being in a rock band i loved the guys and dumped than fired or talk about this and later the walkman they talk about how like telling your friends that you were in a band was like now i take us that late yeah it was like really didn't elettronica music kills janjaweed could do we have to go through this aid rallies yes on thursday is at sad than you know like you're gonna make us do that you'll biased drinks rate i mean it was like the least possible cool thing to do and and it was like lame and and kind of an opposition on your friends to ask them to conceive lesser so this whole the it's hysterical because relatively quickly people would be dressing across the country and around the world like they had just been thrift in on the lowery side but not when these bans formed but that's interesting because that whole thing you know that thrifty thing has reinvented itself with every generation of people yeah it's like the now like their thrift in 1980's clothing and i'm like no i know i now i'm feeling that to it's weird like his when i was in high school we were thrift in shark skin yeah not a better yeah yeah and then i had ended at kinda the whole for you know that rockabilly kind of boos like whatever the fuck it was going after the suits in any time we speak to someone about this like can we address this with the culture in general that we just nominate certain erez as as as take as as out of the loop of of going to be rediscovered some ambitious ivan around anymore like fortunately for now everything is made so badly can i know that will never happen you'll never never be thrifty 2017 they should is not going to hold up maybe we've inadvertently solve the problem rallying stealing the fascists that were previously thrift it yeah this is not even making shit that will hold up to be so maybe we just need a generation a cycle through that in like twenty years people will actually have to create new stuff because it will literally going at all disintegrate and have to create outfits said will withstand the heat of there i'm sorry i've taken me right out of there i did it i'm sorry for him you're not enclosed outfits with of'short new mexico's supposed to fair relatively well i mean waters going to be a problem but waters going to be a problem but we have the mountains we aquifers dory right on an akko yeah we give a lot of as i understand it no no eight i think we give a lot of water to california so mother fugger's he had one of the california's thirsty mansour okay so like i know owner free burger this one again with a list of names like oh i show you read all your quotes first come on of course yes okay then you looked at the list through an area in and i kinda poked around it like you know the chapter headings ps but a vote like i don't know grizzly bear the national i came much really lay to and i understand why they're good but i i don't know that i go back to the records up much tv on the radio maize i listen to their first and second record i'm like holy shit this is the media their incredible yet the a as the first couple of records i listened to her i had him the hives i had that record i remember liking so what is your problem nothing we're just get vampire weaken don't think i've ever heard him all right we'll interpol i think i got a recent record with like their back in a mike i missed it the first time pretty good we've routines just gotta whoever teens rokaya feeling about pretty good yeah kind of punky right yeah yeah i hope we will come on something and you'll be like you really have to go and do that is that what you're looking for ya well i buy a records i'm i'm mike i mean i mean a renaissance had music appreciation i'll send you a list i need i don't know like i have your book i know yet we'll you do though actually 'cause you can't start gone mouldy reaches yeah amazing did you play who's got the crowd i don't have it all right we'll play who's got the crap by the multi pages is just one song well that song in particular is your gateway drug for them dave across comedian i know him with his worse are you hold steady i like that guy greg gregory great right yeah he's a good talkers if thinker is good the killers i like that okay kingsley on first who records and crime what happened well y but okay that that's another alternate title for this book sure is where's the staying power while they're all still making albums and touring and dura al like literally all of these people yeah so like you okay let's talk about them what happened what did have well it's up first talk about like the whole that you know a nine eleven left in the world in that like in terms of near all over that chapter see that's another place right you would you but compounding the board white whatever that boredom was was that horrendous existential to terror sadness grieving like i think i talked to spits about that a bit did he ah but a lot of this came out of that well it didn't come out of that it riot it was positioned as gross that word is under the circumstances to be heard in a different way and buy more people as a result of it so lake nino none of these important records the first as record the first strokes record the first interpol record early dfa staff none of that had been was written post nine a lead and it was not a response to that ren before but it was about you know it was about all these themes that we are just talking about yet culture considered obsolete like sadness and anxiety and loud guitars as the solution to that as an expression of that is a response to being alive right it was like oh that's old news and then you know the towers came down and new york city is under attack and america is under attack and it makes you kind of return to the the sort of lake core aesthetics of rebellion and that's rock and roll so what are you want to hear you on here jack fucking white playing guitar you wanna hear the urgency of the first strokes record he wanna you want a kind of a manic toughness the that and i think so these bans who it's not like if nine eleven hadn't happened the strokes wouldn't have broken an englanda had already broken in england and kind of ignited this industrywide like doubletake towards new york before nine eleven happened there album was supposed to come out like the week after nine eleven the first one in the states so it was already kicking off but what nine eleven did is a couple of things i thank and this is argued in the book it it it animated it it increase the number of people who were immediately feeling the need for that kind of sound and it also turned the world's attention to new york city culturally in a way that it had not been it had not had the attention of of sort of like global cool hounds in that way in sense i dunno i also like it they were it was also the guy seventy hanshin for perseverance yes i mean ranked sympathy yeah you know you're bruce springsteen how to go to werleigh hurst tracy and got them back call tied to hit it and yeah and i think i mean all these bans talk about touring in the wake of that and being it off doing comedy in the wake of sure i and the but being cast is kind of emissaries for new york and again for this idea of what new york is about that the entire world on some level was either either loving your heating at that point in new ways it was it was interesting time because if you were new yorker and you did live there yeah you're like we're we're gonna fight yes totally and we're thinking about that now and and it and the other thing that it did i think for the purposes if this seen such as it is and tune day from tv on the radio talks about this in the book i think he when he when he said this to me it really kind of it was a turning point behind her standing as he talks about how the szekely he thinks nine eleven put a kind of pause button on the jansher vacation race there has already happening i mean the the sort of post the giuliani into bloomberg cleaning up of everything sure that would eventually result in the new york the slick anodyne near erni lives there no one does it's it's saudi billionaire's who have apartments for their homes yet they're summer homes that they like might go to it's me the ranch russian it's all yeah and it is it's well chinese i don't know what an honor i it's it's just feel like you've done it feels like it doesn't have a a cultural identity has architectural and the identity right now is money money has a bleaching a fact eventually on culture i think in right now new york feels to me like burnt out literate like whited out like nine i'm not saying that race i'll have her hands out in the way that it was burnt out was bankrupt brought down in the way back right that that like acid has been porn on it and it's it's blake bleached out like i don't know i mean i keep seeing you know i don't know what causes this but when a create is her your it has deadened yeah by capitalism yet money on and by people that don't that day they don't like it will be interesting to do really explore what is rooting there you know in the sense that you know it is completely antithetical that to what it used to be when it was i think the big difference was there was a time were always money there but the people that worked there could live this and now that central and what's funny and not ha ha funny but of course like the it's all connected to this era because that's way jane saying it's our fault is funny the in an again brooklyn brooklyn because it's all those people the new york became the kind of place where you would invest in that kind of apartment because of all of the culture that that re in live in debt and made it interesting and sort of buzz he and brand rival in that way and now all these people who bought their on some level whether they know it or not as a result of this this latest ingretation of that new york thing i live in a place where none of those people can be but this is also like in a way so boring because it's like no shit that's called the cycle of art madda called lake art versus commerce 101 i mean it's going to just play its that and held out over how they all moved out of the city like the that generation of their artist once they got money they all live here they orly or here or they live in new jersey or connecticut or are you not a lot of them keep sort of like i love this i understand this instinct i feel this instinct they keep places in new york like a little apartment on near the barrier rodal whatever lay in just to kind of be like no no i still guide of me i still have a place wrestle like this so this the the ark of this book front yo two thousand eleven sort of the ends in brooklyn beat becoming the like the the the wealth center of hipsters totally and the but also just that that did it ever have any integrity other than for sure but i also just think it's yes it did i'll answer that but also that the idea that that would have one of the things that's hard to see from now because it's so obvious that that is what took place is how unlikely that seemed that that would at the time if you had been sitting there in two thousand two and and sort of prognosticating that in twenty in ten years or whatever like williamsburg a place you could not get cabs to take you was going to be the default locus of cool for the globe for but it's weird because there was some would have been laughed out of that conversation what's really like i lived in the story i had an apartment in the story from 95 five hill like two thousand and two whenever they might sub wetter was just informed by the new known of the building that he now add the lease uh quick note with note under the door there were people like louis had a place in williamsburg there were people moving into long island city yeah and likes her was sort of happening but that was because you could get space fits dole rahab winning is that it's just like everyone move to williamsburg because it was cheap brand because in this to return to it ten days saying i mean it was like you could get free he indeed siddig met each other because they lived in the same converted loft and they were passing each other's rooms enough and seeing that the same shit basically was on the floor at each other's rooms and it was sort of like i guess we should probably talk you know you've got a same weird stuff in there and like loss and in that's not like it's so easy to be like wow that must have been so cool and it's like it's it's only romantic later at the time it's like i need to live somewhere and and and be able to paint place with that right but that's that's the story of the amine ripe but that context or that that framework of life has repeated itself yes generations generation totally though the yeah the law thathat's another title that we here but the thing about nine eleven that tunisia was saying that's important is that whole justification we're talking about in the money in the bleaching out or however you want a phrase it these are they his theory and i by this now is that that was coming much sooner and nine eleven pause debt because there was a sense i mean people thought no one would travel there anymore no one wanted to get on planes it was like leaving for a second it was like is new york's economy going to die this the is this really like are things you can get cheap they were rally are things are things going to you know plummet here is it gonna be russ 70s new york thing again because no one will tourism will dinro wanna live here and all that stuff is they're going to be because it was it was terrifying and it was like you know every plane that flew overhead it was i mean people there were a couple of years where and so what that created for the purposes of this book is this weird a period of uncertainty that was really a gift to these bans because there was a couple of years and this is my my hay day really of lake going out in seeing shows during that time it was two thousand to two thousand three maybe into two thousand four but fair li where it was like it was just wild everyone was like are we gonna die but hey let's party en route druggie and it got dirty and it wasn't that expensive yet rent wasn't going up really of sort of just like the whole the whole apparatus was trying to figure out how this was going to shake out and it was like kohl let's play the you know you should read boca for answer some of those questions behind the scenes what did you ever read that book securing the city on my god who wrote i like i like i recommend this book to so many people i did you secretly right it no oh could cover ominous yes it's a bow it looks like the beginning of every law and order old school lunch or episode is by christopher dickey who i believe is james dickey's son in the i still see him as a you you shows up on shows on cnn and stuff but it's really about how how new york had to create its own count yes i should read that it is to the injury yes 'cause it was like we had we're our own city and we ourselves yeah because federal government and the cia and the fbi were not talking real yeah there was in the federal government was not really stepping up so these guys know what was going yeah and it was it was with giuliani still who was like we've got to make our own counterterrorism force and we've got to have international alley yet ray kelly yeah food and this guy cohen associated irate ocala read this like and then i'll be like i should have talked to him for the buck this is my life like i wake up still at night is damage extradition don't even choke of add that why never writing another oral history ever again or only organized oh it made me move state to a cabin in the woods by myself because they had an emotional breakdown like it's so hard that organization is really a nightmare well you did it and people like it yeah and you know it seems to be all in their uae dill per is let's check it out they clear talk of what do you want from me i i think it is hilarious eiriksson i let my favorite people around the book art like that one of my favorite pieces written about the book was by my friend dan aasi who hates who does not like any of this music basically he's in the book talking about conner over since he loves turnovers but he basically doesn't he's a music nerd anna anna a rock critic and this it he's just like all his hand suck basically i mean not literally but it's not his stuff but the thing is like i have i like i i'm not a connor overspent but i have him in here handsome my best interviews with people who are mike i will that is why and say like i'm at that's basically i think i i enjoy the fact that this isn't your world i think that's more fun lagging learn the creator of service project to talk to someone like that then someone who's like julian casablanca's this my favorite rock star of all time you're like well you're gonna love this yet boy do i have a book free like the this is writing i take this this part of journalism seriously like it's not my job to write a press release for one of these fans its job to convince those who aren't naturally inclined to take this as interesting that there's something there well here's what i have to say i'm happy you kids had your okay are you gonna try to say that that was not condescending he has had a knock out of it is out of all right it's a joke it was it was it was a sarcastic coffin ha ha ha pa let's shift gears demar serious yet um you know i and then the private police state fire juliana of just personal stuff i mean like i i've and talk to you really since markelle passed away a eulogized him on this show thank you for doing and you know because i like the guy and i literally your text to them like would like a week before it happened here do you talk about what happened can you talk about it or not i can totally i talk about i liked talking that i think people are a little afraid understandably to ask me about him because it's france you romantically involved on and off your best friends he was on the up and up again it seemed yes 100 percent it's really tragic i mean the answer to what happened which is what i guess is like not known i suppose i mean i don't really know i don't know anything other than he died and then i i texted you too to say sorry but then i got no information and then you know you just sit there and go igor would have and what that you it's not he's one of those guys ruettgers bound to happen but he didn't seem like it was going to happen that way well a lot of people you feel like it's bound to happen and then it doesn't i mean mark was had a history obviously of drug use and i think most people assume that he died of an overdose and that's not what happens i mean he didn't he we don't know for sure because there was not an autopsy performed huh so there's no leisure a cause of death that attack i mean cause of death unknown as far as i know you ea yes so this is what you're not afraid to talk about we have no information kind of accept i mean they i guess they just think like i so i was here and you know we shared custody of our dogs for six so mark or seven an hour years together in from my 20s and then we broke up like 10 years ago and but we stayed incredibly close friends and he was my creative partner basically like that mark this book would not exist without mark he is the person on the other end of the line consistently throughout frame iin merrier well like naughty i mean sometimes like sometimes is needed grady stuff but more just all writers need like the the i'll people i guess that create the the sort of like hootie who is on the red phone was on it was like i don't know and this isn't working in what do i do and like help and also i just need to that it's like that was the dark we are really really tight creatively and he would do the same we would talk to each other about writing every day and our dogs and so i was out here and he had been in a period of incredibly badge oppression for a couple of years on i mean probably his whole life it had been really bad and um i was helping him in his his family was helping him you know try to get the right mental health care never quite came together for him and eventually and so eventually after a couple of years lake road than the month before he died he was better than i've ever seen and he may have told you that india he was like like running a little bit yeah he was taking better care lindo visit no no one he hadn't dan i mean i think i know that mark lied to me about drugs or the years he wasn't like here's what happened the night that he died he went to a bar on the night that i think he died he went to a bar because he i mean we don't know exactly when he died he went to of our on february second and he had a couple of drinks drink and a half with a friend and at six thirty something like that and he came home and he walked the dogs with this friend and he was inside his house with the chain on the door and the locks on the door and a bowl of pasta on his on his like coffee table they found him and i couldn't hear i didn't hear from him the next day and i was worried and i didn't hear for him the next morning and we he didn't do that with that i mean he the dog think mark loved dogs er that anything in the world and wouldn't fuck around if their howarth and knew i was all the way out in california i mean he was like mortar arctic about the doksan i am pia and that's how they a his eventually i woke up a bunch of people up in his super went into his apartment and he found him just slumped over on his couch with dinner on the table so like as i have never done heroin but my understanding is you get big bell right and also there was no drug paraphernalia in his house and no drugs oregon went yeah i mean it's an aneurysm or a heart attack or or what any he i mean the dogs were fine they were in that house with him for thirty six hours and they were thirsty and in america pasta here at left that here too viking luggage joni it in like pardon me asshole i'm hungry and like their sausage in that layer she's too short can get up to that just short short leg's well you know it's it's it's nice to know that it it probably wasn't some eur grisly relapse no i mean if fit you know i don't know enough about you tell me can you like have secretly donovan of heroin fight hours before and then go home and make dinner and then die from doing that i mean a dozen quite at up but i you know but it seems to me that he put himself and his body through and you not up to him you know you know and if you don't know what you're like i don't know one is less physical was i mean you could only had one he high made him go and get one with wh what was the informality all systems go but you don't i mean this is what the there's i mean i'm going to be dealing with moves it out over that out of my life by not heart stuff that well i mean right like this is if you have a blake blood clot if you've an an aneurysm is undetectable i mean you can't like you can show people and this we don't have any control over any of this in the illusion is that lake via if you take care of yourself and you get physical zinni's sort of like drink your green juice that there is a sense of of control over warding off death in it's just not like that and like mark abuse the shit out of his body but that's also no guarantee that he was going to die in that way and you can take really gets care of yourself and you can get hit by a but i mean you know or diet something undiagnosed it's just what happens and it's horrible it's horrible but the one thing we do know was quick yeah and he was there with the two people in the world that he loved the most which are those two dogs no good swear to god i i'm sorry for your loss and congratulations on the book and it was nice of you to dedicated to him of guel i my friend imran told a a really potentially off color but actually amazing joke about this on this happened because imran loved mark in knew him very well a lesbian he goes so that's what it took to get together because there was dedicated to my parents and they got for this is the only thing mark could have done and i mean you know you knew him quite well and you guys have a shared sense of real black humor and so do i and mark i mean i can hear and sometimes it's being like the biggest promised that book was there is not enough amee nso i had to be something that will yeah you've got to have the dark your mercy you don't you know so the bottom doesn't fall out was nice talkin united sock india that was fun those good those promotional in some ways don't forget if you're in now way you can join me and brendan for our only l a book event and signing this sunday october twenty nine th at seven pm go to live talks la dot org for the tour page of wto of pod dot com i can't play ktar tired and a little depressed boomer lives uh uh uh
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