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Ellenburg on Ellenburg:  The Gene Crawford Conversations, 1967

Thaddeus Ellenberg's Casual Friday

22:32 min | 1 year ago

Ellenburg on Ellenburg: The Gene Crawford Conversations, 1967

"Thaddeus Schoenberg presents casual Friday <music> written in Red Dye for those of you living under a log of the past fifty years the name Thaddeus Ellensburg may not carry much gachet but for for everyone else on the planet. It's a name synonymous with creative genius and boundless imagination. Hi I'm gene Crawford former talk show host and frequent author of book forwards I I I met Thaddeus during his first appearance on my show back in nineteen sixty seven little did either of US know at the time that this would be the first of many spanning three decades now through the generosity of the Athol James Foundation in conjunction with the Institute of Television Arts. These timeless appearances have been revisited with special commentary from Ellen Burke himself recorded before his sudden passing after being subjected to an overcrowded public space. He's a man the head of Lincoln Studios Justin Craft called a crackpot tied in with is in God Damn Goldmine that is a proverbial gold mine and not a literal one although he did once owned and operated operator profitable manganese mine in Guyana for the first time since their original airings the esteemed visionary end demanded stole our hearts and delighted our imaginations from his tear jerking family comedies the nineteen nineties ninety s do is bleak emotionally charged and sexually raw retrospectives also for families takes us back to where it all began when collectively we fell in love and Ellensburg he became a household name gene crummer show tonight jeans guests on Bernadette Beverly Lindbergh. I forgot forgot how black and white the early episodes I remember they were black and white but this looks particularly black and White Gene Crawford the shows title sponsor tatum sodium nitrate tablets would never foot the bill for color same with my specialty sixty nine back budget was so absurd the thaddeus Ellensburg Zuber spectacular show remains the networks only special to illicit and it's viewing audience call to Arash. I don't recollect the camera we used probably dilomatic decay forty way too comfortable four hundred pounds perhaps a forty. What is that something we could find out? Thank you jack the place a little something on the symbols there that is all. I really don't see what's so difficult K._t._e._l.. M._T._v. the billions of T._b.. See late sixties it came in after ten between channels three and four at a range range of one and a half feet the recommended viewing distance of the day the network shot to Bismarck thirty five s series stock back then then ran it through a high analog. Tell us in developed by the late Rudolph Mackenzie Mafraq in the ways of transferring so he was jailed for setting fire to the Eastman labs afterward they'd shoot the screen and sixteen and blow it up to thirty five projected onto the wall and villain again in sixteen before blowing it back up to thirty five of which they then output to the signal was the process known as Copperfield cigarettes is airtours ation by name Barbara Vissel really you don't have a page that can check the stations equipment registry registry and get me an Oyster Rockefeller Sandwich and surprising you know you bring me here to discuss the nature of my existence look. It was the T._v.. Seventeen studios at West fifty nine thousand eleven avenue September Fifth Nineteen sixty-nine. It was a gorgeous day outside which complicated about that the operator was Mike Spinelli had a prosthetic ear in the summer he hunted Icelandic Nar wall from an eighteenth century skiff of Oak and steal semen. He was an extraordinary man. We shared a passionate love affair. I can still feel his Dallas caress way. He cradled my head. It was great now. My next guest is a fresh new face on the scene. He's a writer on the Dave. Perry show and you can find performing next month of the Appalachian Music Hall in Hollywood Hollywood Grove Tennessee or catch him regularly on Thaddeus Ellsberg's casual Friday brought to you by Macarthur Roosevelt really really really great stuff ladies and Gentlemen Thaddeus Ellen Bird. That magnificence Specimen Dooley I was twelve hours into a high protein dietary formula cold Caesar Silva's lifeguard seek and strongmen unhappiness. It was later ban by the F._D._A.. In adopted by the Libyan government for use chemical castration look at that time so skinny I used to fantasize how it look upside down hanging from my shower head who ooh sharp suit welcome welcome to the shampoo. Thanks for having me. I was nineteen here in my fourth wife at the time advised against it said it was outdated. Primitive was the word she use and suggested a saffron blouse else number instead technicolor swashbuckler a peasant laboring in the mountain vineyards of Madrid with gravity cough in worsening limp judgment was always in question now out of respect. I won't mentioned her name publicly. Not that it matters. She is famous Catherine though always wanted to do something but ended up remarrying Sofa Salesman in Burbank the Sofa Sultan and got him on tax evasion now now I wanted to ask you about this because you Europe by your own admission a bit of an unorthodox sort year <hes> everything all right there. You seem a little. Are you nervous. Daddy's me no no. I'm I'm fine. I I just have an an inversion stillness I pace full-time for the American Association of those with Writer's block. You see the carpet in my bedroom worn out these trails that lead down to the kitchen where I go to drink also moonlight for deer name Wilmer. Is that right Wilmer Yeah Yeah Wilmer Bernadette Beverly's went out before me and I thought I sat in some ectoplasms after the taping we made love in the middle of the green room very uncomfortable for the guy with the Animal Act that Beverly's was freak. Her shrieking could be heard four blocks away are you at the original Kosher Deli. They invented a sandwich to commemorate the occasion was open faced and drowning and gravy. Would you like this. Damn thank you incidentally. Where are we on that sandwich? You know the more I think of it. This chair is not working. It doesn't visit quite give me the elevation I require an a chair and frankly this is my least best angle. I'm sorry well why are we not be filming this just audio. I don't understand I feel like I should be holding something pointer to wrap on the window when I think of something interesting riding crop something to twirl about and dazzle the senses in police. I need my fourth shaw. It's much too Jillian here. Is there an open vent somewhere. What is this all right? Let's stay professional exhibit a little decorum around here. Let's switch place you must which places then you can play adorable. No I don't know if you have the same charm and Joel Line is all we're going to be doing watching this seriously hairline. Yes that's certainly seems like a frivolous use of resources. I was under the impression we would be performing performing. Some of my early works or reading passages from my new novelty Alabaster allegory a follow up to the Pewter parable pinned under my pseudonym Mike Stevens stretching seamlessly across the sands of White Tail beach the shadows of her grandfather's one son spoiled three story pride shimmering for decades and shades of New England blue now suddenly filled with silhouetted ghosts of Meighan days not to mention if I'm speaking plainly my on air talks with gene Crawford Pale in comparison to my other talk show appearances. Would you like to hear the time I went on the Jeb Donaldson show dressed as gored pinup advertising local pumpkin patch and corn maize. I was signing Husk. Well in the springtime. You could imagine in nineteen seventy-three three. I played in a rhythm and Blues Band called the Chambers with Valentino Domingo Son Richie Domingo. We played on Greg Willman during his hiatus. When Jerry Languor was substituting languor was a genius the vast majority of the public was unaware of his Roddick seashell art very popular within my celebrity circles with a true Romantics languor held private auctions ritualistic if you will everyone in Hollywood was vying for an invitation producer Jillian Parfait was lucky enough to snag a three inch tight-lipped drill peace and a straight up trade for Tuesday morning comedy special or did terribly G._D.? Bloom the. The club she'll never admit to this because she'll Klay. We've never met but in the way of her Malibu home. You'll find a languor on the table visible from the hedge out front sandy fig snail with pornographic graffiti breathtaking Richard Bowls worth bought Langer's collection of one to Sim Neha Shell suspended from strings like sex swing appraisers valued at several quarters of a million dollars languor had a sensational the Glassy Bowl contours of deepening pink conch shell would fan aflame of desires only satisfied by a solo getaway to Your Beach House and West Sag my marine green and maritime mantle line with wide mouth bonnet shells fixed with pipe cleaners arms in googly eyes from Langer's early craft days given to me on my forty fifth birthday. Jerry languor was the truest man I I ever knew. Godawful talk show host but Saint Helen artist. Let's go get I wanNA tell that story with my legs crossed that is let me guess. I'm sorry no no no now. You're very fit very lean on the snake diet. I eat a small child once a week. Now is fitness important to you know no not at all but vanity is a major part of my life. How how would you describe yourself? Honestly we'll or dishonestly in your terms in my terms I now we're going. We're going there. Okay okay. We're going there. I'm I'm someone someone that can't take yes for an answer. It's terribly exhausting mostly for the people closest to me. spatially that is now. I I understand you. You grew up in Tennessee. That's right yeah Tennessee. What was that like? Have you ever been to Atlantic City because I haven't in my career and social corners I was never really defined by my association to the South and because of its shunned by my friends and family stripped of my regional heritage heritage limiting interest like the man I am global ever diversify I spoke at length on wanderlust decades before it became the word for aimless strangers having sex in the park. You know I love the south I mean the weather's gorgeous weather is atrocious like thick code of blazing diesel with hot breath slinging. It's Media Thi- over your winter pajamas. Most of the elders have baked their skin to a leather light complexion with protective plates called amber discs they can be removed and used as a seat cushion at local sporting events but it is a region agent sentence ways like the seasons steeped in rich tradition of mosquito bites skilled and scratching is a must few make it on the competitive circuit like the seasons. I love the seasons reasons. I hate the seasons. What about the holidays you being holiday guy no gene? I'm a holiday nut. Really I reject all forms of cyclical celebration. What's your favorite holiday? That's very personal. I refuse to acknowledge the question that a little private is what do private I'm from private who is speaking in my ear and very open about the things I like and announced yourself specter cryptic cryptic but open. Can I get someone to top off my skipper. Now you know I would never say this to jeans face. Although it's been recorded thousands of times over forty years in various venues formal molyneux casual of which genes publicly criticized by continuously threatening to never have me on the show again concluding that once sought after invitation to his dressing room a crowning achievement for any up and coming talent that more often than not which gene asking you to listen to his tight five the craft options on offer for his guests were notoriously lacking dismal bore not even fit for common Hobo oh or a band of circus freaks in sixty nine we took our protest to the streets were overshadowed by parade to honor veterans by forcing them to drive around in small cars. Thank thank you Dolores. Oh it's not it should be you'd be well advised to change it to dolores those that would be my only adjustment now but I do love the seasons you'll love to see what is your favorite season season winter autumn damn. Did you guys know that. Did you cheat and watch it before. I really don't think that's fair. I think we should play back and do it over again. Et nevermind nevermind hear us take two and yes. I prefer to do my own call camera down autumn with these these new novelty Stereo phonic digital transfers by castle technology. You can change anything did you. All poll and five new generations respond more to autumn. I could see that okay yeah. Great go with take Jake do mark that. You'RE GONNA WANNA mark that on the tape Margaret Margaret Margaret on the days. That's a circle take market. We go we will we all WanNa know what what's next for you. Well gene to be honest. I'm actually kind of in the market for a job. Is that right badly. As many of you may have heard Dave Perry is retiring the end of the which if you have engaged in sexual intercourse with one another you do you you in my prime. None of you would have been safe for my advances which rivaled the prowess and vigor and art school professor furthermore. All of these windscreens would need to be removed from the studio. My crews were never permitted foam well. I have always wanted to try my hand at television. Would you like to take a second here on the show. You know reach out to someone. I don't think the audience really wants to do you think that's yes. I mean she realized should I okay. I mean it's not likely built this bitten rehearsal or not at all all right settled down. I'm going to write down my cellular number and plays it here on the table. If anyone's interested along with the book of Artistic Nude taken of me by photographer Chester Gas Pinelli totally impromptu had no idea this happening which game I think we're going to go to camera the close up d a d camera di their tasteful yet graphic representations of me captured through a series of hand mirrors placed at various low levels. The early proceeds went to a very charitable cause Gaspar annelies block party with the end of the summer smash. Everyone wanted to be caught dead at back over the years. Many were there poetry tongue inside gas Bernales Posh Pool House as a tribute to both are turbulent sentimental nature's coup nervous hi. My name is Thaddeus Ellensburg. Oh my God I remember this routine where we don't don't say anything. Don't say anything then home and I need a job. I and you don't hire me well. I'm afraid of what I might do like pick a shift at the BOB and factories threatening spindles even though they recently lost most of their contracts to a number of the states correctional facilities Z. over the years. I've grown accustomed to lavish lifestyle of which I'd like to maintain the dining ones of whom I baird adjacent are maddeningly limited in their physical strengths provide little in the way of financial contribution is sadly even sale of them brings in a meager penny older ones remember which drastically upsets their resale value their small fingers would be invaluable down at the Bob and factory but again the prison system their stranglehold on the market much like the hold on their victims as forced me into a life of writing middling wordsmith in my humble opinion hockey endless plays as a fancy packed with dates steady stream of proper nouns so if you're looking to fill a seed at your table please reach out to my manager who would appreciate me not mentioning their name on air. Do conclude code leave you with this boil it all down. The quality of my children's lives are in your hands and yours alone do the right thing and again everybody here. My numbers offers on the table. If I have any takers right next to the photo book I've taken the liberty of marking several particularly exquisite samplings. I'm especially fond of the entire collection though is nothing short of Shining Testament to the textual radiance audience of Flesh Z. here see here how the how the CACTI and textile of the Poncho in this smart southwestern spread complement the closeups of wrinkly taught Innis. This particular photograph is called Elbow Question Mark and Turquoise. We're going to have more. We'll have more of misery lemberg. After this commercial break watches stick around this has been a production of thaddeus Allen Burg's casual Friday written and read by Thaddeus Berg with an introduction by Nicole Kelsey each and artwork by Adrian Mobile. This series is independently produced by thaddeus Lindberg and will scovill to find more episodes of information visit our website at T.. E. Casual Friday dot com or email us at contact dot casual.

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Cutting Sodium by Adding MSG, Measuring When People Give Up on Books, and How Giving Advice May Mean You Crave Power

Curiosity Daily

09:44 min | 1 year ago

Cutting Sodium by Adding MSG, Measuring When People Give Up on Books, and How Giving Advice May Mean You Crave Power

"Hi you're about to get smarter just a few minutes with curiosity daily from curiosity dot com. I'm cody golf and I'm actually Hamer today. You'll learn about a weird way to cut back on sodium a mathematical measure of when people give up on books. Ny giving too much advice. Light mean that you crave power. Let's satisfy some curiosity for some people just hearing. MSG is enough to trigger memories of headaches and upset stomachs but it turns out that not only is MSG not to blame for your post Chinese food blues but a new study also declares that it's actually better for you than the alternative that is it's healthier than regular old table salt and it could help us all cut down on our sodium intake. MSG stands for monosodium. Glutamate it's a molecule that combined sodium with the amino acid glutamate and lends a savory or you mommy flavor to food. It's also been maligned as the cause of so-called Chinese Restaurant Syndrome a cluster of symptoms ranging from numbness communist to heart palpitations. But it turns out that the Chinese food was framed later. Studies found that these symptoms happened at roughly the same rate regardless of whether someone who's consuming consuming food laced with MSG or a placebo that makes sense because glutamate occurs naturally in all sorts of food. You don't associate with illness. Parmesan cheese cured cured ham dried tomatoes walnuts. This goes on recently. A study published in the journal Nutrients took data from the national health and nutrition examination survey to to analyze how much sodium Americans usually eat. Experts say we should consume less than twenty three hundred milligrams of sodium every day but about ninety percent of US consumed more than that high sodium intake can raise your blood pressure and lead to heart disease. That's the bad news the good news. MSG can help when food. Scientists usually make reduced sodium foods. They do it by simply cutting the salt on. Its own which means the food doesn't usually taste as good that makes cutting sodium a hard sell l. for people who enjoy flavor which is pretty much everybody enter the new study. MSG contains two thirds less sodium than table salt but it also has a delicious mommy flavor that can enhance the taste of things like cured meats frozen meals soups and crackers by substituting some with the sodium in those foods with MSG the researchers say we could cut sodium intake by seven to eight percent in some foods MSG could reduce sodium by up to forty percent. It turns out. MSG is completely safe and they can help. Keep our hearts in bellies happy. That's good news for everyone if you love books but you don't think math it can be fun or relatable than check this out. There's a mathematical measure of when people give up on books and I mean look. We've all been there right. How many times James can one person stop halfway through reading moby? Dick or what about Stephen Hawking's a brief history of time which is widely called the most unread book of all time time to find out whether you're likely to give up on a book. Look no further than the hocking index. It's a fun. If in precise mathematical measure of how far on average people get into a given book the hocking index was invented by mathematician Jordan Ellensburg. But before explain how you can calculate the hocking index. I have to mention one. Caveat when Ellensburg first proposed the index in two thousand fourteen. Anyone could view the five most highlighted passages his Anani books kindle page the reader nowadays. You have to buy the book to view Popular Highlights on kindle but at the time Ellen Burke hypothesized this is that if people read all the way to the end of a book the highlights will be scattered evenly throughout the book. But if they stop reading after the first chapter the highlights. We'll stop there too you so you just average the page numbers of the books top. Five highlights divide that average by the number of pages in the book and you get a percentage the higher the percentage the further people read into the book. The end has namesake a brief history of time. Scores six point six percent on the index. While Donna tarts it's the Goldfinch recently made into a movie scores a whopping ninety eight point. Five percent sounds fun right but of course it is also pretty flawed. What about people? Who Don't highlight when they read or pilot when they start reading and then stop as they keep going or what about people who don't even use kindles to read ellensburg himself agrees in his original blog post? He included a disclaimer. That said that the index was not remotely scientific and for entertainment purposes only but instill. Why not today's episode is sponsored by Purple Mattress? 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You're going to love purple and right now curiosity daily listeners. We'll get a free purple pillow with the purchase of a mattress. That's on top of all the great free gifts that are offering site wide. Just text curious to eighty four eight eight. The only way to get this free pillow is to text curious to eighty four eight eight eight. That's C. U. R. I O. U. S.. Two eight four eight eight eight message and data rates may apply when you think of power hungry people you might imagine. Game of thrones breaking bad or say yes to the dress but maybe instead you should think of that Classic Advice Column Dear Abby Power Hungry people give more advice than the rest of thus according to new research and people feel more powerful than usual when they give advice. Even when. It's not asked for you know you could do less hand gestures while you talk. I didn't ask you cody. This is actually good news because it's kind of important to feel powerful sure. Absolute power corrupts absolutely absolutely as they say but a long line studies show that a healthy feeling of power can help people land jobs negotiate good salaries and feel optimistic day today a day. Pretty positive outcomes if you're not a CEO or an expert in your field though how do you feel powerful. One science backed ways by drawing. On memories of times you felt powerful and according to a new study you can also draw on memories of giving advice. A survey of three hundred people suggested that just remembering time. They doled out guidance to others boosted their sense of power whether the recipient asked for the advice or not giving advice in real time has similar effects in another survey one hundred and eighty eight undergraduates. Students reported feeling ten percent more powerful when they gave advice however that high was short lived unless their advice was was actually taken. Maybe you're noticing the same thing. The researchers did the desire for power and the desire to influence people are closely linked. Need more evidence. A different experiment in the same paper found that people who want power give more advice for that experiment one hundred twenty four. MBA students took part in a paired negotiating creating activity the ones with the greatest interest in Professional Networking Aka. The strongest desire for power gave their peers. The most advice afterward in other words giving advice might serve the person who gives it more than the receiver who will likely ignore it anyway. Maybe instead of asking for advice we should start asking asking if we can give it out instead so what was so exciting about our stories today. MSG actually contains two thirds less sodium than table salt scientists just say we can sub in MSG for salt in packaged foods without a taste tradeoff. Incredible and I thought it was really relatable that people quit books so often that there's an index named for it. There are currently like three bucks that are not finished on my bookshelf. That I'm like no no I'M GONNA I'm GONNA finish it. I'm going to finish this book. Says there's this other book that I haven't finished. It's it's rough. Yeah I'm Kinda in the same place right now like I always feel so much the anguish when I finish a book or when I'm having trouble finishing a book I'll usually force myself to do it and I know that you don't have to. And the hocking index shows shows how often people give up on books and live their lives and at the more you crave power. The more advice you'd give that seems to make sense it. Does we have a lot of advice on this podcast. Does that mean that you and I crave power made no. It's not all right vice. Though the experts we pass on advice from experts yeah we're just going to exonerate ourselves. Just move quickly along nothing to see year. These stories were written by Kelsey Dunk and may rice and edited by Ashley Hammer. WHO's the managing editor for curiosity? Dot Com scriptwriting was by cody. Goff and Sonya Hodgin periodicity daily is produced an edited by cody. Gov Join US again tomorrow to learn something new in just a few minutes and until then stay curious on the Westwood. One podcast network.

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#45 Steven Duby

X Factor Roping Podcast

1:42:41 hr | 1 year ago

#45 Steven Duby

"I will make the executive podcast. It's been awhile since I've since I've done it. That's man is parody. Love doing these podcasts. So I'm hanging out Stephen Dooby Idaho boy. Yeah I've known Steven for Man. It's been a long time. It's maybe like ten or eleven years old. I would say a bit longer than that. I was probably seven. Maybe yeah so we Go Way back and watch you go through the levels and get to work with that now is also is. I know it's. It's not an easy thing to to Rodeo. And to get their job so excited to talk about the day. Yeah thank you I appreciate that. Let's a little background on. You grew up in. Idaho was kind of worried man. I'm from called I went to called the radio every year. Nampa it's about like every other kid. I grew up rope and I mean from the time I was to open. That was what we did it. So you think that's been something that's always been on like in your heart or whatever you wanna you know your desire to rope professionally to compete do that. Yeah I think so. I mean we always wonder Oh. I've got two older brothers and they wrote better than me. Grownups always had somebody look up to and then it was just like this is what you WanNa do. But it was fun. You know we had fun doing it. And then all of a sudden it was kind of like and I could actually do that and not have to work you know seemed like a pretty good option and it has been so far thankfully so when you get to that spot said not have to work a job. It's is probably the hardest choice at lifestyle you could choose because there's no guarantees in it and there's all these major expenses expenses and your you know your whole cash flow and livelihood is depending on you winning and was that something the first dose of that realize. Hey this is I still WanNa do it through that point. I I I wrote all year long. Two years ago with Devon Arnold and as much amateur radio on I did up there in northwestern Steph. Nothing can prepare you for that for all year and even when you're winning e can be and doing good and it still feels like you don't have enough money it's crazy But but doing that with him and he was real positive. Guy Is real good guy to be around. I think my first year Every week it seemed like you win something. And you still think man. I don't know what I'm GonNa do if I don't win something but I think I think that that part has been great for me because it lets me rely more on the Lord than than on anything else. I think that that's why I really WANNA keep open because it lets me do that. A lot of faith in what you're doing and just know. Hey there's not a clear path is not for everyone. That has a job like you. You can work through it. You know what your expenses what. Your bills are going to be a pretty good idea and road. You know that that first year with you and You guys had a really good year. I mean it was a top twenty. Finish no Landed at thirty something but We had a lot of chances. I mean if a couple of things just go differently we could've made it real easy We want a lot together and yeah it was. It was pretty pretty amazing first year to be able to do that. Good things not a lot not not probably you didn't really get into a lot of the bigger rodeos anyways so. I mean it's tough to to have a good year and not have much from the winner. You guys. I mean I remember watching Spanish in a few runs you made there was there was runs in there. That man these guys for their on eater and it was. It's cool to Kinda see that because that was that was rookie year right or did you The year before was my rookie year. I bought my card and and the Arab Pendleton was myrick year. Cool and we'll get to the US a pretty cool win as well but at that point throughout the summer. You're like figuring out okay. We're we're winning. We're in its see kind of get a taste of it. I can make the. Nfl are and and make money Rodeo on a do I really WANNA do. Do you put a goal system in place. Or how do you have how you try to manage that and it says you know? I've never really wrote now. Goals or done anything like that. I WanNa make the NFL and do all that it'd be it'd be awesome. That's definitely the goal but I don't really I don't really do that I mean. I've got goals that I wanna do but for me I just want to catch a steer. Do My job everywhere. I go and that seems more like to me if I do that. Then I'm GonNa end up where the Lord wants me rather than doing what I want to do. You know goals. I don't know never really been a big deal to me I could probably do better at that. That's probably what I need to do. A little bit better as is set some clear defined goals but I I never really done. That is so it's just more or less. Hey this is what I'm GONNA do. I'M GONNA work at it as much as possible and just and live in. The moment is feel. Yeah yeah a lot of that and I like that idea that too because if you think about enjoying it's there's so much travel so many. Rovan so many ups and downs. If you're just every time I talked to you you're just happy to be there and that has nothing really like I'm taking away from it the other day it was Texas Open. I met a lot of money but I'm here. I'm having a good time and this is what I wanna do and I think understanding that like. Hey this is. I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be doing exactly supposed to be doing. And that's that's good enough exactly. Yeah there's a lot of stuff that if you were focused on how good you're doing. He could miss so much throughout the year. We'll get to deal to places we get to see I think about it. We're watching the bachelor the other night actually kind of a little bit nervous to admit that but They're having the these bachelor viewing parties. And there's forty five people watching the bachelor together and I told my girlfriend. She said what are they doing? I said that's what normal people do that. Don't spend thousands every week under open and it's just crazy you know I'm in Texas. I'm from Idaho. Most people don't ever go to many states. I've been to and see what I've seen. You can miss a lot of stuff and look back and realize man that was. That was pretty cool but I think it's pretty cool to be able to to notice how great it is while you're doing it you know right right so what do you love the most about Rodeo. Well let's let's keep it throwaway. Will you love the most about ready? That's really hard. I I like her open. It's just so fun to me and just watching it even even as fun like at the F. I I probably shouldn't watch. I should just stick with my ron and be and do that like Billy Jack. He talks about doing that a lot. But it's just so fun to me to watch that I can't do that. I got to watch it and The RODEO on superfund getting to see all the different places and stuff that that I grew up looking at the results and looking at this and on the fast lane or pay cash right here were caldwell second steer. It's pretty cool to just get to see all those places right. The one thing. That's so unique is and how the more Royal Goto become. Take it for granted but you get the new set up so the different environments. What it's like from estes part two two. Cheyenne the penalty. All these different situations. You know what it takes to be competitive. It's it's fun as well as I mean there are places like S.'s. Jumped out of my mind but it's one of those beautiful you go to the mountains there and get experience. There's people that are paying thousands of dollars to go on vacation where you pretty much can live in a vacation. It's got its ups and downs. Yeah for sure. What about the? I know you talked about the goal setting. That's not something there but the practice has been some of the bigger things that you learn from practicing on the last few years. It's kind of helped you take your heading to the next next level. I've never really had a lot of horses so I've pretty much always had to head orces on my life and I've had a lot of different ones throughout but I've never really had more than two so for me practice in figuring out how to be able to keep my horse work and but still get good runs and good practice has been a tough deal Like getting ready for the American Semis. We know we gotta go over there and more than likely we're going to have to be some kind of short four to make it back and so being able to go practice being short for but then have more still working good without being able to go practice horse and not care about what he's doing and just bring over the gates and duck and you know so. I'm on my good one practice in that and I probably ran eight or ten and and being able to figure out when he feels the right amount of just barely free enough so he's still going to duck a little bit radio or he's too much just being able to figure that out has changed a lot of stuff for me. Because I don't feel like I really rope that much better than I do. Two three years ago. She just figuring out the horsemanship part of it has has changed a lot of stuff right and so have like a love this. Because it's something I work on all the time and I feel like I'm probably the opposite to a fall. I want more of my courses where it almost takes away that that real fast shot. And that's something I think you degrade is go. You go real fast and can't can do it consistently so not say heat. That horse moving was things that it's helped you that writing or is there a mindset that you kind of have each rod or feel that you get out of the hoarser. What's what is that for you. I grew up doing that going fast. And and I wish I would learn the other way first and then figured out and do that because I need to catch more but Your horses got to run. But they can't run too much and figuring out that inbetween has been tough for me but you gotTa ride. I think my horses run anyway so like my horse. They just want to run so I think if I ride the first jump on. Leave the corner then. I really don't have to kick him after that they're gonNA run until I thrill and especially my own horse. He just I mean anybody could get on that horse and fast. Every time he just so easy So I don't really think that it's me it's just. I'm just so blessed to have that horse. He's been amazing for me. I bought him in two thousand sixteen listened to be four years. I bought him two weeks before Pendleton to before Palca penalty yet. It is so two weeks. Well I wanted the year after that. Okay that's right another kid right road that horses though two weeks after I bought him and his partner up to leg to win it on these are these are horse horses Pendleton to. They've got to have a pretty good feel to them. Today's stay Pretty Upright McGrath's you don't really want to drop it news shoulder so I mean it's not a real common thing that you see ahead horse can go as fast as he can go to real controlled his feet and I think that's I mean it just Kinda goes to show you that you gotta head horses a winner really put them in different situations and then they put the craft spot to to do to do. We need to do. Yeah for sure. Is that the best one you've ever owned by far I on another one actually right now that that might be a better horse than him but just not for me. You know. She's a she's a great horse and I went a lot on her. But for some reason that grown is just. He's just easy to win on. You know he's he's not as good. He's a little bit Efron. Indies doesn't hit his but very good but he scores and he faces and he just runs every time you know he ain't GonNa win at a future at all but he's just easy so I think that probably be the best source all ever own so I I think this is something I learned at a young age and I was really lucky. I had ahead horse. He'll horse that we're both really good. The head was probably pretty flashy but he was a bigger horse big sorrow and he really taught me a lot about how to rotor up and he would make may get relief on my healers. He'd run enough and do things. Well enough they're kind of like let me learn where to throw and how to set the run up and kind of Tommy how it went sensually and I think the hill was the same way. She was real free and easy to catch on. Didn't have a big stop. I I always. I really felt like a house caught the short steeler. I always finish on the source and I think a lot of people get hung up on flash in all these moves and these horses that can really run and then just drag it and do all these things but they really take for granted the horses that are easy and and not flashy. But they're like they do everything but nothing major really really special or flashy and they're just easy to win on and that's what I see on that course observe touch her and I'll see you go two or three coils and just blast to steer and then go catch another steer by the very next day. And and what do you think about that on those horses like flash compared to easy to well? Yeah I I completely agree with you. I think ahead worse has got to be easy. The the horses that win everything horses year. All the time The only one that I think is super flashes Schmitz black like and he just looks easy to but he's just black and he and he's got a great move but other than that. Chad's horse Klay Chien's Riley's they're all amazing horses but they're not flashy you know they don't drag leg and Chad's does sometimes but he doesn't make him do it at the Rodeos. 'cause I think that that takes too long. They just need to route and get out in front of the steering face and if they're easy. Un way more on their flashy especially at the radios at the jackpots is a little different deal. But at the radios. It's a huge deal. The just have one. That's easy to catch on until the Griffin. So what's best man? That's so hard that's hard. You could be one that you could get on which it would be. It would be really hard to pick chats. Horses is looks like he'd just be the easiest one to get on without ever him because he scores Super Easy Coltish mitts horse. Looks like he scores. Good deal The other horses are are awesome. Mike Riley sources is amazing horse but he looks a little bit different discourse sometimes and he always scores good for Riley. But I duNNo. Seems like he'd be a little bit tough for me to just get on him without ever being on him before Man Everybody's got a good horse though. Everybody does my my personal. I love rather source. I know he's a little different in the box but when it really jumped out to me. We'd video the broadcast last year. And that's yes so long and he put it on a he had A. I don't know few what he would have won but he had a chance to win. Yes he would he would want it. And I think Jeremy He's germ butane slip alive or something groped lost summer rope legs and that was closer to be set up to to do good and then you go to a few weeks later. Whatever month or two later and he went horses. Bfi that he's lights out and then later on that winter he's riding with Thomas and I think a horse it can do. That is amazing. Some of the headquarters is out there but I think that would over into headquarters is a lot like yours. They have run but they know how to to get it out of him and when to use it and went to not into to kind of be flat easy. That's cool these horses. They're they're getting freaking. They can do so many things but there they can read capital and read the different situations and mets making ads. That Wa- places. Yeah for sure. I think they have to read the cow. That's that's probably the biggest thing for me. That's why struggled a little bit on my marriage because sometimes show just overrun steered just a little bit But they have to run as hard as they can and and never overrun the steer. And IT'S AMAZING. The horses now I agree. Yeah I mean what they really ought to to pass lock on us. There's a lot of deaths what's been the hardest moment and you're a Rodeo career. So far we we did real good last Summer Jason. Than I through through the fourth through. While winter spring summer we did good all the way through the fourth and then right after the fourth we add to terrible weeks. You're out bad. Both of us seem like if he caught. I broke the barrier. And if I got out good the steered fall down or something stupid like that would happen. and then seemed like we were just starting to get things turned around. We want a little bit Ogden in Spanish and things started going good for us and then it seemed like every steer we wrote Jason. Get flagged now for crossfire and it wasn't and it seemed like man and that just that. I think that really killed our summer. A lot is Seem like every time we had a good run they'd flag him out and I don't know why that happened but I think that was the hardest thing to get through and then two years in jail. I've been a little bit of a long shot but it Ellensburg. I had a chance to make enough are still if I do really good. And the first year I missed the best here just high low had missed him and ELLENSBURG and that was like okay. I'm not making it anymore. That was that was the one that was like Yep I'm not GonNa make it and then last year I las Murrow same type steer just loped off to the right lost. Mario and we still had a little bit of a chance last year. But it was like we need to win twelve thousand Pendleton or were out. And that's been really hard though is is figuring out how to stay positive without without being too optimistic because like. I know I'm not GonNa make it but I still gotTA BE POSITIVE. That's the hardest part for me is figuring out how to be upset at yourself without being negative. You know about telling yourself you know you're enough or whatever it is exactly so the first time you set steer announce. Berg do you have. Do you remember what you're thinking kind of act like right after that like maybe when you're calling up or however it is yeah? I remember who I was. I was more upset at myself just for miss and we went five two on the hardest shown in steer in the first round which is a great great. Yeah we we I was lay and somehow cotton horse duct and Evan heal them. Unbelievable kind of MRS wraps a little bit to win. Maybe when they're out on the the worst steer in the Bin and then we come back on a good one finally excited we drew good steer no walks go nail the barrier him in the back of the head and it's almost like. I can't believe that I missed like I cannot believe I just did that and then I went and sat in my trailer for about thirty minutes and I'm sitting there just Kinda Salkin and this is what I love about Rodeo more than Jackpot and I'm sitting there soaking and then I realize man if I don't leave right now I'm not going to make it to filer so it's like I gotta I got unsaddled mowers and pity party and and get back on the road and drive so I can win something but It was just it just kind of takes the wind out of you know it's like man. I'm out here. Spent seventy thousand all summer to do this and then I just missed the best. Steer you a chance. You know a chance that you if basically you could say. That was the beginning of the years. Hey I got. I got a great opportunity. Were good on my first one. If I win out strong but you could say I got the low for the second round Ellsberg to be the top probably two or three calls. Yep You'd probably take that opportunity where a lot of people would I mean you better situation? But it's Dan close expensive for never may make the final set and all right so the next year do you. Same scenario is close enough and kind of have something go wrong. Do you try to do this. And I try to work on my mindset after good and bad rodeos and I can use it as a reference part this last year like okay. This is kind of. We're kind of down this. This is how acted this is my reactions to it. Do you look at it the same way or how. How do you kind of go about it? Says Yeah I look at it similar to that. I finally figured out that You know reopen and that is is all amazing but it ain't what life's about and so it's a lot easier for me now to not get upset about it but like last year. I missed and I was I was actually in the exact same situation while waller before that we win the first round draw Lope around the second one I third over his head and It's easier for me because I've I've kinda figured out that you know there's one hundred people that real good and there's only thirty something to have a chance to make the finals it at Walla Walla Knowns Berg so for me you go all year long to have a chance to make it and and I'm I'm still get upset at myself from messing up but at the end of the year if I have a chance to make it. That's what I'm that's what years about is giving yourself chance a chance to do it so I messed up one steer. I could sit here and think all the time about man to just cut down one. That would've changed but or not broke the barrier Sheridan a month for that and won the same amount of money that I did on that one that I'm thinking about you know so there's a lot of the year that plays into get into that part that So it's easier for me to not get upset about one steer anymore even though it seems like you know I was telling Jason is just the other day here up leg to make it back to the American. Like we've caught eight to get to this point. He happened to mess one. Like you know if that was a Cooley city it could happen just as easy. It just happened to be this one like he can't get upset about messing up one. Steer you know well I think too were Rodion. Become become a lot of people may not understand this or I don't know if this is correct way to look at it but these rodeos it's like the run is you've got to be so aggressive and so fast that I could go back to this cross fires. Each one of those cross fires probably for two to five thousand dollars maybe some of them six or seven or eight thousand and when you add one or two of those back in its mean you might go to ten rodeos and connect on three or four. If you're doing really good you know if they're headers and if I mean that's the whole team Maxim one out and yeah drawn and goodness steer to win something up and that's a that's a hell of a week ten ten thousand or more. Yeah and you're like man we're murdering but when you take one or two of those little things like steer fallen down flat out for Crossfire. It's like all of a sudden. We just got our feedback as any talk about being able to a understand like the situation this is. We've got these mistakes but really it's not our fault which is Kinda. GotTa keep playing to our run. And you know you gotta hadn't happened in the right places and that's where you get those big breaks and kind of be ready to win and so let's let's talk about it because you know it blew up on social media pretty good and I was like man. I seen it the next day. I can't believe how hard on this flagger from San Antonio and I was a lot. That were out PHIL FOR LAST YEAR. Phillips for hours in that slack and it was eighty or ninety team Rodeo. We're firsthand teams to go. I make a run for a fourth or fifth album. I make a run. I'M NOT GONNA win anything hundred zero four eight you guys go four three four three and a handful teams later and it's a great run and give blood for crossfire and is one of those where you usually know. Correct call of all the cowboys are like no way. And that's one of those that it was everyone I mean even be there. I knew I was going to be kind of close check. I was like man I if I went something. They don't feel that and I think that most teams would agree that it was. It was very poor call. It does happen but you guys had a few of them so kind of word. Back San Antonio you've made it through the first few sets. Let's explain how San Antone works? Guess right it's everyone runs three years. Yup and then they bring back the top four people out of that set so he gets eighteen three nights right or is it. Ten Ten ten teams for three nights in the top four money winning teams advance onto the semi-finals. And that's where you guys are at seventy five. Yes and you're going to get ten teams again and the top is talk for top five top five events yet and now the money double so it's paying five thousand twenty two rounds and go ahead. Yeah we we ran the first one and didn't do any good so it it come back second one. We were We were third out the first night. So we're the third last team to go and We knew when we had to when we knew when we went we had to win. I dust negkes went four flat. And somebody else Charlie and Luke and Patrick went four flat too so we knew when we went we had went first to make it back to the to the finals and We had to beat four flat. So you know we had the best year. He just high loped off to the right perfect pattern made a great run. Everything felt good Healed them faced. Usually you know when when you make around you can kind of feel like man. I need to look at the flag hair. We might get flagged out and he pulls back get get the flag and I'm turning off. I'm about to start wave my hat because I'd been three one time before that Jason had never been three before and and how and then we were three five. Three five yeah and then for some reason. I'm just about turn off. And I'm like he just flagged this out. I couldn't believe it. It was like one of them like I don't really he did And Man I turn my horse and wanted to ride over there and I'm like no. I better not do that. I'll just get fine lose more money so I start dried out. Like gotta go talk to him. No I turned back and forth three times and then finally just wrote out and There's well Jeff and Wurley wouldn't have made it back and if we would have got the flag and Wurley more upset about the call than we were you know. There's ten teams or nine teams. Watch that and they all knew that it was the wrong. Call right now though. That's just the way it goes to. Flagger is the only one that gets decision and his decisions final. So you know I wasn't really upset at him After after a little while I did get that way because he. He admitted that he made the wrong call. And he was in the wrong spot and couldn't see the steer So if you can't see steer we should always get the flag but It's just the rule is too confusing. We gotTA figure out a way to either make the rule better or make it easier on the judge right now. Well a fast income. I don't know if anyone follows the group he'll shots but there's a lot of guys that are getting across our they're posting runs and they ask about it and there's some that are just blake crossfire like dude. This isn't even close where we why debuted has this question and I think where it gets really tough and man I I feel for the flyers and you wish there was a little better way to improve call because the steers they keep running. So you've had a good steer knew he had checked off a little bit when you head. And he's stepping off to the right suit. He kind of pushing on it and he hits kind of gives a little bit slow. Hedera pits in tears heels. Yep I've seen again flagged after crossfire one other time and I thought it was terrible. Terrible call and yours. I didn't think was close. But what kills me about it is? There's another judge at the bottom of the area. Then they can fly people out four or tell them no time if they have a bad hick and then there's a very judge right there who can make calls and the fact that the three guys can't get together and make the right call after after they had admitted that because that's what they said was it was not the correct call and that's where is rough for me and I am. I don't blame the judges but you just wish head you know at the end of the day. Just make it right exactly and And that's that's one thing about the the whole Rodeo situation. That's that's tough. Is you see a lot of guys that get revised and different options in time you guys. They've always like well. We don't get one steer doesn't perform and will the judge is going to have to draw a line at that point and like we'll steer qualifiers this Kaffir and so it's tough and I get. You gotta be able to draw the line but when it's a situation like that that is the top three biggest radio of the year top four now with how county if it gives you guys amazing situation to come back into the files to win. San Antonio with an extra five thousand which might be the difference. I mean our pays but I imagine it's pretty close to that yet and so it's like you just took that away from you guys and then I'm we're not really here to complain about the situation but you know what I thought was the coolest thing is you'd run your first one. Too Song drove whatever. Twelve fourteen hours to San Antonio road those years and flew back to Tucson. Yup Fly that to run your second one. You guys are no good on your first one. Have I mean I would say is hard as kick is a guy that receive? Is that one s right there. You know not only do you have to be faster than for never have done it. One of the bigger radius do it and then taken away by back call you have every right to be upset in into kind of get into a swamp or whatever you WANNA call it Yep and you guys come back and talk about your mindset to soften a second. Yeah you know for me. I mean it sucked but The money would have been nice but it's pretty easy to just well sucks but you know. I'll be taking care of Lord Take Care of me so I never even thought anything different of it And my partner did neither. If you see the video Tucson I think he throws faster there than San Antone We had just an average deer and he ended up being being better than what we thought he was going to be. And we made a really good run steer with good Jason healed them super fast. My horse almost fell down stepped on her left front and got a real bad. Finish but Ah We end up winning the second round over there we split and it was really nice though to come back. I ready to run after that and win. Something felt really good world and I think there is an I like to talk about it. Is You know we talk about building on our robot so you know I can have worst case scenario happened to and I can come back and still compete the next day and and to be that tough mentally is something that you're always. GonNa have that and I think that makes it too. In my opinion I don't know if you miss a few steers or whatever can happen and you know why were we can get through. Is that how feel so you? Yeah I think so a clay trying I guarantee you if we went over there to his house and tied his rope and not where he couldn't catch steer and then told him. I'm going to beat you. He's GonNa find a way to win. You know so. I think that guy's got it right. It don't matter he may be hasn't caught for ten years and he'll still tell you right right to your face. I'm going to be today. And and then he'll do it and I think you guys got to be like that it no matter what happened yesterday whether you want first or not he you just gotTa Act like you one I every time you know. Just that's how that's you back in the box. That's how you feel. Is You know every time that I wrote when I so? Why not do it again right here you know. Well Yeah just believe in yourself at that level and and how do it and sometimes we got to be able to do it in. It's not they're like hey mean it's not like you're play. China Have Twenty. And so you've got to. You've got to develop it within yourself and has that kind of code through faith and understanding. What do you think that's Kinda come from? I think I think the faith is really made that easier for me The harder part then even finding the the confidence for me is being a good person but still having the confidence because it's easy to you know be arrogant or whatever they say it would be real easy to do that when you're winning But I think the guy just wants to be a good person all the time whether winning or losing siding I think the faith has really made it easy for me because You know I can trust him when when he wants to win. I'm GonNa win and I'm going to get to where he wants me to be whether that's a world title or whether that's changing people's lives just by reopen or whatever he wants but so it's just a lot easier for me to trust you know where he's putting me and and then that gives me confidence because you know right where. I'm at so I mean powder I'm Twenty two twenty two. I would say that this is very uncommon to see someone that is really really strong. Spiritually like you are because it seems like the younger kids they get to a pretty advanced level and they get kind of arrogant or really like policing themselves but very rarely you hear someone say had. I just want to be a good person and and do right each day. Did you start to develop that that aspect or faith or I mean. I don't know if that's the way always kind of been you know I grew up like that But I never really believed it growing up. I knew I knew there was God and all that but I never really really lived for him and I went through that I went through where I thought I was super super good in high school and I never got any better from time. I was thirteen until I was eighteen. I wrote the same because I thought I was good. And then and I was at that point. I wrote better than there's me. And Jeff Lynne again and I'd hold it roped good and then all of a sudden it's like man Jeff Ropes way better than me and I've gotten a lot a lot stronger the last couple of years. I've been blessed with some really good friends that that really believe and they can help me do that and I think Rodeo no has made it so much easier for me because of how hard it is and I don't have any money like I never grew up with a lot of money. We were always taking care but I never had the money. Just go buy a new horseshoe whatever and and I think that that has helped me more than anything is the only reason. I'm making it out here because the Lord helps me. He wants me to be doing this. Obviously there'd be no way I could afford to be doing it And it's not even win all the time but sometimes you know my grandparents. There'll be doing good and they'll send me some money or something like that and and Just just figuring out and learning that no matter what I'm going to be taken care of has helped me to grow so much spiritually and And I'm just so thankful so having I think that's really important understand and kind of cool. See I feel like this happens to me. But there's time you like man it's rough and may be struggling whatever but if you continue to do the right things and opportunity presents itself and it's just like or a win present itself but if you just continue to do the same thing every day just be consistent and just stay with what what you love to do. Opportunities just continue to happen like Whether it's a horse all of a sudden gets really good or comes comes into your view life or whatever it may be but I think that's where it gets really fun and that's it almost helps build the faith on on toddler that I just continue to do it. I know that the right things will continue to happen and and kind of go down this journey. So what about these big moments was pendleton? The ZENDA I really really big steer that Iran was at the biggest one. You've gone at that point in your life. Yeah for sure for sure. I don't think I've ever really been in another situation like that. Even since I've ransom big steers but not not like that one in before that. I mean I've only ever won two saddles everyone thin and I roped to be a few years and I was clean on four one time. The fifth one was pretty nerve wracking but even Hamilton wasn't that bad. Because I was eleventh call. You know it wasn't like I was high call back and just shaking. I was eleven then had a slow steer and really thought that I didn't have a chance to win anything because everybody was good. That you're the the top six. Were like all Radio. Guys Rawal all in F R teams. You know So it was like you know it was pretty amazing to win it. That's the biggest thing I've ever won for sure but it wasn't like I was in a pressure situation or anything you know you saying so that I mean that's cool because usually I came back to a few of the bigger short rounds like Ellensburg Ellsberg and Cheyenne and stuff like that. And I've I've been like one of those lower calls when we come back to the that's the true situation where you just got to be smart. Okay I got the steer if he strong each maybe make a good run. If he's real good you just kind of use your steer. You can usually win money. But you're at that point. You're just trying to get money out of the Rodeo. But when when you get those top few calls now winning the Rodeo is in play and I think that's where Kinda he had. His expectations are really think about it. But coming from eleventh callback I got this good steer. Just go use them. I mean penalty and different to where you're running down the hill and gauging out new and if you get a good start it's I on a good steer it's it makes for a good situation and yeah and so that is kind of how it it just went. He just yeah and just made the run. And then when you read out maybe that's probably GonNa win third or fourth. What are you thinking? Yeah well I think maybe ran the three worst steers there that year. My first one flew and we were nine. The second one went to the right is she's so scary over there. And then the third one Jason Stewart. Stop me before I got over there. He's K. catch. Just catch your eleventh. You're GonNa win something if you catch. And he was a terrible steer but he was the best one. I could have drawn because he came laughed. I laughed to everybody standing there so I couldn't have. I couldn't have thrown at him. I think if he went straight I probably would've reached missed or something but he was slow and came left side swing over him to get my horse. Move over and we come. We finished on the track and we went five seven. We didn't even we didn't go four. We didn't do anything crazy and The first team broke the barrier and the next team missed. And so then I'm thinking like and that's go. I need to win something to make the circuit finals. You know cool. We're going to win a couple of thousand. Maybe when the short round hopefully and and you know do good and then about seventh call. I'm like man. Nobody's sky yet then. Six Mrs V. I think the horse jumped the barrier and he broke it or something and then and then I'm like okay fourth. Call now I think it was. I think it was Buki Gurin and I go Gabe Boop bodice card just for penalty. He's going to win something and he did. Great and Chase Hampton source slip when he healed me. Lage Up. It's like I wouldn't fourth now. I'm GonNa win fourth penalty that's cool. I'm going to win three or four thousand now and then Chad steer Chad had my second one in. He ran straight to the letter. Bucker straight right and he went nine clean and he's winning second. I'm like holy crap. We're GonNa win third now then. It was the miners in Brady up leg. I think his horse. Kinda slept or something to you. And it's like no way gotta chance no way we're eleventh and Jason. Just hold me. He's just so pumped and then Jake Stanley was high. Call three years in a row and his partners horse. Shorted them right. It's a thrill but they had to be eight. He kicks goes to heal them again. They're still going to beat me and he does it again and kicks up healed him. We went it was just unbelievable like At I mean it's crazy that the only thing that was the Lord for sure because there's no way all those guys mess up any other reason but it's it was amazing. That's pretty cool. I I didn't know come from so far now. We shouldn't have even made the short round really I was. I was almost seventeen seconds on the first two. Sixteen eight I think and usually like Shyam tenders steers you. Just don't make by futures. You don't have the chance like something has got to happen in the run. A you've got to blast Amer just whatever you new job perfectly even had a chance and really must time. Don't even get a chance. Yeah I mean you've obviously back in the box for a lot of money and a lot of these rodeos are. I mean the other day where you come back semis and you know you got to make something happen. It's a big moment. Do you find yourself getting nervous. Or how do you handle that aspect of Ito nerves or are definitely everybody gets them. I mean For me I like now. I've Kinda figured out that the the nervousness and stuff is just is just a little bit of a lack of faith and in thinking that I mess up. That's a bad thing which it is. You know it ain't doing good but but if I mess up it's GonNa work out in the end and and doing that realizing that has helped me out a lot but I get nervous is just. It's almost a good thing like at least you're you know you're feeling something. It's kind of exhilarating at all. I don't mind it at all you kind of embrace. Like yeah you a good way to look just knowing that. Hey there's very few things get me this. Rela remedy this excited about moment like this. Just take it in and just kind of enjoy that. Yeah Yeah I mean. How great is that were? This is our job. Our job makes us this excited. That's awesome. We could be a little cubicle. Yeah now get that ever. Yeah really like a whole life getting that and here it is. I mean every day. Get me you're going to Houston days. Yep just just was at the Americans three over there at the American bellwethers. Pretty thank you. I love that is that is that something that you've studied or like the mental side of things or is that kind of naturally comes that way I've studied quite a bit of it Like there's a really good book. The inner game of golf and and he talks a lot about Your subconsciousness playing a big role in it and then the mind gym. I don't know if you've ever listened to the mind gym but I've listened to a lot of that stuff. I mean. We have lots of time to listen to stuff when we're driving so I listened to a lot of stuff like that but I don't know I never really I've never really done good in short rounds jackpots. And stuff like that. But I I could have a lot of reasons to have a Lotta doubt in and get nervous and get scared and stuff but I don't know it just it just something that has come come to me lately. That has really worked out. Doubt me like that so you just kind of said something that you've got from studying this. Is You know not having success but still knowing like this is my job today. This is what to do. And you just stay focused on and you don't really worry about how you done in the past or you know things could go wrong kind of focus on your job or that is that you've got a big for sure for sure. Yeah I'm not. I want much jackpot and and nothing like that. But they don't really matter you know The money's great but it's fine so understanding that how how compete in out of no yourself is probably the most important thing to to creating mental consistency. And I think there's a lot to be learned from books and stuff like that but it's also understand him. Why are probably different than everyone else? And there's going to be certain ways it helps me and surveys. It doesn't know like hey how had get yourself to that at that spot. We think staying in the moment. It's Pretty. It's pretty good too sums it up pretty quickly as far as yeah have mentally. Be Be ready if you're in the moment you're focused on what you need to do really. That's that's your mental consistency. I would say yeah. I really liked that. I talk about that. A lot too myself is just live in the moment. Right this one right here not what happened. Not what could happen in the future? Just enjoy what's happening right now. Is that something you practice into? Like you really focus on the mental side of things. Yeah I don't get that much only to my two good horses. I don't get the practice that often So it's it's pretty easy in the practice pin for me. I like to have fun and I liked to enjoy it but I like to just be focused on what I want to get accomplished while having fun and and so it's easy to just focus on just doing this just rope. So that's something we're just the two horses in limited practice is what's your mindset of like. Hey I can be good enough. I am prepared or can improve on what I need to with limited practice. You have any ways of getting the most out of your practice with that. Yeah I've been working lately on. Catch the place in the first-round okay. This is the second steer we have to be six eight to be winning something. And that's what I've been working on lately because I've I've always done good at at being aggressive but I've come to come to realize that the Jackpot and thing I haven't done very good jackpot in because I don't have a horse that I can go practice out on and not only just loops because I've had lots. That can get lots of loops on every day but not one that runs. That's actually realistic Jackpot practicing. Also I think that that's why a lot of people do better than me at the jackpots. 'cause they have those horses they could practice it on but for the Rodeo type deal you know. I've got two good horses that I can practice do on that on all the time and Make Ten fifteen twenty runs a week on them doing that and so it kind of helps me. I think at the radio because that's the only run I make. I don't I don't make that long seven Nice Jackpot run? I'd just make Nice. Aggressive runs all the time. But you know it does hurt me Jackpot for sure but taking to the rodeos. It's like you have a really clear picture in your mind. What year capable of working on it and you have this feel because it's like you said you can get on a horse. It might not have that same feel and really what was getting out of your practice. Getting out of example. If you get cold that just come loving through there and you can count. Go turn steer. That really doesn't give you the feel of making Rodeo runner even and so making those and having a real picture how to how to make A. That's I think that's pretty solid way. I like that. Yeah Yeah I think if the guy is having a little bit of trouble with his swing or Split Horns or or popping it off or something like that. I think it's a good thing to get loops in a lot of them but like for me. I've kind of found the swing that I like and and I can do that consistently so getting the loops in all the time. I can do that on the dummy you know just understanding your resources was available and making the most out of it that pertains to competition. I think that's a that's a big deal now. What about your brother? I mean you get like you said he got two brothers and really rope well and I voted with. Your brothers are the last two years this is the second year now year. Seven pretty fundraising with your brother. It's been really fun. I grew up with my other brother Taylor and we wrote for a long time together and then he just didn't want to do it as much me. So he's stays home and ropes more at home and jackpots and stuff and then Then I up to them for a year and then Jason and I started dropping. And that's been it's been super fun of the highs are a little bit higher when you win with family. I could see that being real fun especially for him. He's Kinda gotten his family started and he's he's got a lot a lot on so to kind of do that and be successful. GotTa be really fun. But what about the communication you guys ever get into it because it's different when you're really comfortable with someone you cross the line without realizing it? Yeah it was something you gotta be aware of. I think it is We have we haven't had those problems that much But I agree with you you can. You can get pretty comfortable and be talking about something and not realize how much you offended them. And then when it's blood man fights get bad sometimes but him and I. We don't really fight that much. We get along pretty good And you know we have different ideas about some stuff but I just hold my tongue and let him think what he likes and He ropes good. So you know sometimes you gotta treat it like a partnership and not just family. His family gets tough sometimes. Well I think that's that's the big thing is we all see things differently. We can see around and get something out of it and it's going to feel different. Everyone so to be able to communicate to each other into build a team like is seven southend. I know him pretty well and I would say that guy. He's very positive like you said earlier but I think he probably was a good one to to really Rodeo with because he seems like you could probably talk through what's going on and get better as it. Is that something you learned from Amer? Where did you kind of start developing Yeah I think him and I did that a lot. I'm always always always got videos and watched them broken down stuff but I think I think him and I kind of started doing that for me. Because I never really Rodeo to make a living side I just wrote to Ira with and and We didn't practice that much. We didn't talk that much about it. And then you know you're out here losing money all the time. If you're not getting better it it makes you start building the run pretty fast which him and I didn't really practice that much together either but at least driving all the time together and stuff you know you have a lot of time to talk about it and think about what they want different what you do better or what what you think. He could do better to help you You know you want stare straight or right or left her stuff like that. Little things Jason and I. We don't really talk that much about it He kinda he likes to ride high so the steers stay always in the left lied. And that's just how he likes it. Which is fine with me. Most of the time some very few places. I'll tell them. Hey don't do not bring him left. Make sure they stay straight right but I grew up with him though. So you know. I know what how he's GonNa Rope. I GOT TO WATCH HIM FOR YEARS. Rodeo on and stuff at home before I started doing it so I kind of know what he's GonNa do all the time right. I think that's It's a big thing has happened that good. Msu with harder ship and the when it's blood like being able to separate the roping away from the family yep adds a whole different Degree to to the RODEO. So that's kind of cool to see if you watch the miners and they've got for a long time really never. I've never heard of anything like that. Like with those guys can stay together. They match their horses up really well and it just seems like I'm sure that they get into it but really they've they've done a great job. You guys are up less years and be successful. You know to win together. That's really fun. To to said is probably even better ones family. So Yeah Yeah. I think anybody rope with if you spend too much time with them. It's hard anybody is spent much time with anybody. Gets you always get the fighting? But more the miners even more impressive to me that their family. But there's no other odio team that joke that long together. Yeah it's it's like longs by far. Yeah -cations out but it's I think maybe Riley's got eleven and they've all been with Brady Brady made it one more time than Riley. And did they miss the finals a couple of times? Yeah and I think they missed it. Maybe once or twice but but that's not much that's the thing is to go from a bad year and then to continue to move forward as a team as good as it's impressive that they've been able to do you. Watch guys make the finals every year together and finish top ten and it's not good enough. They wanted to do something different. It's you'll see some teams like they couldn't lose for two or three years then they might have a top five top ten finish in their done. Yeah Wow yeah it's pretty. They're pretty quick to pull the plug. And that's it's different for everybody so You know you've learned a lot blaster for your Rodeo. I mean there's been a ton of experiences for some of these younger. That's wanting to give one piece of advice something that you've really learned in that. They should really consider if they're going to start Rodeo on TV. I think if you WanNa Rodeo I think the biggest thing you could do is he got to be honest with where you're at you know you got to be able to sit down and say okay. I am actually good enough. Mean you have to be positive but you have to realize if you're not getting enough but if you're going to do it you need to do it. You need to go all in and you can't work on the side. You can't do that. We can train some more stuff like that. But when when it's ready time you need to have three to three ED courses and and be ready to Rodeo and then I think the biggest mistake that people make which me saying this you know I ever made the finals and nothing but I think the biggest mistake is saying well. Let's radio the Cheyenne and see what happens. And I think if you want to make it any Rodeo from Odessa until the last weekend go to Stephenville go to whatever your last week and looks like but I think you need to do it clear till the end because if you just say well let's just let's just go to. Cheyenne and see if we're winning while you're just setting yourself up failure you're giving yourself that option for an out if you You Know Jake Stanley told him one time. And I don't recommend this but he said get a credit card and is your ended up as high as you can and then you realize and I gotta start winning but you know kind of that mentality of of. There's no other option for me. I'm doing this so it's either figured out or or do something different because I got to get better at this but it ain't. I'm not quitting so if I'm not good enough it's either me or my horses so either. I'm going to get better. I'm GONNA get better horses but this is what I'm doing you know. I think I think going all in on it is the best way and then three or four years in. If it's not working out then you can reevaluate but Going halfway on anything doesn't work. What do you think about accountability? And how you look at your job. Do you feel that? You're really trying to be accountable or something that you focused owner. Do you see a lot of I. Guess what the root of this question is. There's a lot of excuses so gropers make there's a lot. How do you feel about that? I think I think you guys got to realize how how to say the truth without being negative about it because you know like at San Antonio are first steering the SAM is I was upset about because Eight of the stairs were in a far steers from last year and then two were had three numbers and hadn't been aware of them and the first two I was third out I do split the gates and ran and the start was right behind him and then the third one dropped his head like he was going to go up to my broke the barrier by seventeen feet or something and You know I was upset about that. And and what I was upset about was the fact that they just added the steers on and and they had been anywhere I should have done a better job for sure. And that's the place where you gotTa know. I could have done a lot better but this is not. This is not how it should be. This is not right and being able to to be honest without without saying man I just felt like we didn't have a chance because steer just sucked. Well he wasn't a bad steer by any means it? Just you know how do you how do you know what he's GonNa do when the barriers that Short I could've seen more. I could have done a better job. And then you know that would have put us in a better spot If we even if we did get flagged out on the second one it didn't matter but Or you know steer drags or stuff like that. I mean you go work to strip and she ended a rope and lack number ten open. That's the funnest thing because you get to listen to all those guys and guys telling their partner Mammo. Somebody called me right as I wanted to throw my loop or something like that but you gotta be honest because like. I said you gotta be honest tiresome man. I'm I'm actually not good enough because I could sit here all day and say man if I just had Chad's horses I just don't have any money if I if I had more money I could. I could buy better horses and then I'd make it. I wrote as good as everybody else. Well you know like I'll tell you right now. I don't jackpot as good as everybody else. And that's not not me being negative. That's just me being honest with with where I'm at The accountability is is huge. You have to be able to to say man. I'm sorry I messed up. Not wasn't showed steer left. I would or you know you know exactly what I'm saying. But you gotta be you gotta be able to be accountable and say when you messed up but you have to be honest with yourself too because there is times when you you know like at San Antonio could've done a lot better but how do you know that So yeah I think complete ownership of what you do is so important because that at the end of the day the end of the year. You can look back in like okay. I was good this year and I made a few mistakes and I can do a little bit better. I'll get ready to go yet. But it means so then that way we get where you want to go. It's all Yugoslav because I got lucky here. The this happened and so I was prepared. I was ready. I made correct decisions. I made the adjustments needed to make and and I think that's man. I struggle with it but I feel like I do a pretty good job. I I go to a fault like if I don't if we're not winning doing good it's because I wrote good enough. Yeah and that's how I say there are times I'll be. I'll miss that. I'm art myself. I'll be I suck into ending. No you gotta be able to eliminate those thoughts and realistically look at the situation like hey. I miss a steer this barrier. He kind of hesitated or idea. And just like okay. My game plan going in and just didn't do my job exactly two and Into understand that I think you so much further so so much faster because when you go practice you like. Hey this I tried to Sean. It's not working. I need to feel add this to my video game I need. I need to be able to catch that second tier or I need to go to go real fast when when I'd be to whatever it may be but you get that ownership and what you're doing man that's when you can develop that. I think it's because the guys that I look up to Klay China. I think that guy he's he's GonNa talk some crap and he's going to let you know but when you ask him if he did good or bad he owns up to get legally one hundred percent and in my opinion is probably the greatest of all time. I looked up to jake. Barnes reading number one and Jake is the same way. It's complete ocean those guys when they don't do good they tell you. I did not do my job period and I look back. I mean I'm probably wasn't a big fan of them as I am now and had been the last few years. But is cody right about that guy. And you look at these. Great athletes that competitiveness that they had and ownership that was one of the biggest things that they had is they they wanted control over the whole thing and maybe sometimes to a fall when they would control it put that they wanted it to be all that and I think that at the end of the day is is huge. Yeah I would agree with you. Let's talk scenarios because I think this is one thing as a Rodeo header that you have to understand and there's all these radios are tournament style. You know you're advancing and you get a guys ten guys and there's all these situations where you might have to just catch or you might have to continue to make a run and everyone's mindset is a little bit different so I Kinda WanNa get yours on this. Let's Talk San Antone I you go. You're going to get ten guys essentially each night and so if you're one of the last teams out you're trying to put money together in those first few rounds so you kind of do you have like. I feel like for me as a header. Have a couple of different. Kinda GOTTA catch. That's pretty safe then. You have your normal run that you'd like you're trying to make all year long and that's it's as fast as you can go but when you throw throw it feels like a catch like I. Usually I feel like I can catch and then I have one more press as hard as I can at the barrier or I try to get a swing off pretty fast and and it's they're usually out there away and it's it's a little lower percentage is is that kind of is. Do you have that type of rounds or what? What do you look at you look at your? I agree I I don't really look at them in that way but it is. It is the same way like I make the same run everywhere. Just get a nice start. Try not to try not to be late but don't just break the barrier. You're like be just close enough to be within range and and go to the steer to calls Away be aggressive. But I'm not gonNA miss every time I drown first year. I think I think you're GonNa win something on the first year every time if he can't And then yeah. And then there's the other round like fifty fifty. GonNa get a swing off in the box and I'm either gonNA catch I or probably not cash a and then and then. Yeah it's it's I mean everybody should be able to to pull the rope down to steer takes over there backing be seven if you have to you I think I think the best patterns the top five headers have that run. That's like I'm not missing for sure. Their catch is five eight. I think that's what they do a little better than me right now. But I'm with you. I have about three three rents that I do really well When I just plan on doing that and so these rodeos that are like the tournament style bracket. I don't know exactly the creek way to call it. But like San Antonio it sets it up to where those first couple rounds. You're generally going to make that that run that you can catch but it's still pretty fast. And then that way when you draw real good steer you win first or second when you draw them stronger steers you get paid and so you can kind of add that money up and get an advance and then like we talked earlier. The the second one is the runway. Kinda gotta go pretty fast like he did at San Antonio and you gotta be three. You got to win I and when you connect it's it's great and it's usually getting paid right there where it needs to the scenario that I'm curious about is like this year at San Antonio happens a lot is like the American the other day. We're going ten guys and four or five teams have win and usually they those first few teams you start off with your own. That's fast you know you is. That is that kind of where you would be in them. First handful teams. Yeah if I'm in the first The first couple teams. I'm thinking I need to. I need to go aggressive. But not swing in the box and throw it at the barrier like an aggressive At San Antonio Safe I was in in the finals in the first four teams and aggressive for two four three would have been what I was going for. And then if everything set upright for my partner we can before flat and if everything did set up right we could be forced to whatever but basically I agree with you because you make it. It's on the other guys to beat you and use your steer used your horse and if everything goes together you can still win the Rodeo but as you get deeper into that those situations there's like this year it was. It was kind of soft for the first four or five teams. Those guys did make the rub for whatever reason and then it's a stack lineup of guys. No matter where you're at. Do you ever lay up in that situation and take the money and go. Just try to win a check. Or how do you look at those photos like that? I think If I was if there was four three teams after me where I could guarantee. Winning fourth Then that's where guys got to think about. You gotta catch but you WanNa you WANNA give yourself a chance to win something if those other guys messer you don't WanNa make it. Where is safety up? And then all they have to just safety up and beat me so. I think still you know if you're not the second to last email at that point you need to just still be Because to make it there it was super easy to be four three the whole Rodeo. You know four four. Four three was an easy random. Make over there because a barrier was short and steers were. Nice So I think he's still got to do that. Especially knowing that destination visas at the end because even if you come over the gates nego three nine. He's still going to tend to steer faster than he'll so it's all up toward his partner. Wants to do so. I think it's not. It's not the right time to try to be three but you don't WanNa take seven swings and go be six either right. You're trying to Max out the amount of money that you can win. Were lowering the risk. Yes is there any scenarios where you try to get off of the box and win the Rodeo right there And maybe if I had done good say Denver and had ten thousand one act Denver or something like that and I had a nice sixteen eighteen in already one five or seven San Antonio I could I can totally stand behind getting too often the box and try to be three five or three Especially knowing what steer was but my catch percentage is just so much better if I if I pull my wrote down get one as my horse leaves one at the barrier and and put it on before for that. I think my percentages would be way smarter to do that and it would be the cockpit and and not riding my horses good and if I had the perfect dear. I think I would probably still do that. But I think percents away better to just before for and and hope that I win third for sure and then you know four four. You got a good chance to move up second. While that's what's so crazy about roping and right now so it was San Antonio the first five or six or I five or six teams. There wasn't really that fast of a run made and then all of a sudden there to forty six and four three and four something like it got fast and it all happened in the last four or five teams and it's where he makes panel of like you got to be a header and heeler. There can make multiple runs but kind of know the situation. And that's what's really become a unique about these winter. Rodeos and Yvette shy in that format stuff you you kinda gotTa have a run that he almost got to have a feel for the Romania. And then your rod had nowhere place it and where to take calculated risks with. I think I think those tournament radios. Unless you're right at the end. I think you just have to try to make the fast because you have to try to win first and then hope that somebody else doesn't be an if they do you. Don't give twice because I mean you have to win. I like Fort Worth only two steers over there. You had to win first or second verse night realistically have a chance to make it back unless everybody just messed up secondly but even San Antone. I fear I'm going to try to win. I every time because I've got two more after it to to win money on if I mess up that you know and just play the percentages you just kind of if you could connect twice your have a great Rodeo once you still probably make back. Yeah even over there Max. Sure would he want a pile of money? He turned three stairs. He turned three in but you know his set. He knew where he was at. He would act first to messed up. He knew okay. If I win this night I can make it back. You want it tells back in. The Semis wins first. One night makes the short round goes forth flat in the short run when second radio wins. Twenty thousand or something. I will tell you when thinking about Matt Sherwood is there's money a lot of it. You're not getting much away from him. I think he is quoted the best headers around when there's money he just how to win but and owns the most. He's a catchy guy to you. So if he's going at deers like that. That was kind of my point if he caught three steers over there. It's because he was going out on because if he's trying to catch he's not missing but you know if he plays it that way then. It makes sense Chad. He went he went out. I wonder he had a real bad stairs in my set and cop I one and one it. It was fell apart the second day I went four to five five five two or something I I come back and go to on the second one thinking man. That was awesome. We're GONNA win it here and then Chad already. One thousand five hundred four nine win and fourth. He goes through nine just too often the box and over the gates like so. That's how those guys play it so That's kind of what I what I look at is is how those guys do it. And and it's real similar to what I thought about it too. You're just trying to Max your run out and the amount of dollars you can win. This isn't Chad. He's when you win around over there. And that the first set the first sets of San Antonio basically anywhere you're guaranteed you're almost always guaranteed a spot back yet and so now he's at first pays whatever twenty what is twenty. Five hundred rounds are going to pay rather out. I think it's twenty five to fifty seven fifty. Maybe grab and there's a big difference between first and fourth. So he's going to try to make the run the one sport I and and make those and get a big amount of money out of this Rodeo and and I think that's where translates to understand that there's only gonna be about four or five radio all year that really have that situation where you can put a big amount of money together and it's usually first or second yup and you know those deals. They're kind of. They're the playoff format whether it's data that shootout. You know. That's those are the two best checks and buy a bigger amount than a normal like ten money Rodeo. One right yeah. There's even a couple of Rodeos that that are like that to ten months. Like cody and San Juan San. Juan is a little different. Because there's only thirty teams but I play it the same way. I think pays nine thousand something to win it. You can pretty much catch US dear. Make a nice run. You'RE GONNA win a couple of thousand but manhind thousand win. I is guy was tasked to go up. Go out and try to win first or second. Yeah I mean if it takes seventy thousand to make the. Nfl Are you getting? You can get one seven to the way there once. Tear up with sixty four more steers to run or whatever it is ready to go to and I think that's that's The situations that Rhode Islander. They're getting to be pretty complex between. I mean there's always seemed like it was a one header two header with an average or tuna short. And you Kinda have the runs the unit that you need to act like Livingston. Cody you know. You GOTTA GO. Max One out said something and then you get those those rodeos whereas tuna shore It's a little bit different deal where you can kind of have steer. That's a little off but like you said earlier you if you catch that. I want to get paid in the first round. Yeah and it's because a lot of those times of the two Hetero like Spanish or something like that it's you really don't get a lay up and just go catch the second one so if you had one any money in the first round and then you're in a situation where I need to make a pretty good run but it's really hard to place in the second round your life. Okay you only have the average money to go and it's usually not as good because those teams that did place I held are going through our average as well. And so you're behind all those guys and it's like you're coming from ten or twelve or fifteen callback trying to win something. And so that's why it's like you've got to have a run that can get in those top four five six eight money's in the first round that's consistent enough to to keep your keep your money to get. Yeah for sure. I don't just go hat the first one but the first round is always ten times easier in the second one so if a if you can go for six why wouldn't you try you know. So that's what I think if shot to radio like Spanish which you just have to go so fast all of them Spanish anyways every year but even a a different Ogden. It's not as tough in the rounds. Usually every couple of years it is but you got the first one and you win something or you lay up at the first one you go six and you take yourself out of one chance to win something by doing that. So then he come back to the second one and he stopped placing around to try to win average money. And Yeah if you can go for eight on the first one and win something then you can come back on the second one and say okay. Well I can. I can still go for eight and I can win third in the average because somebody's always gonna be fricking stupid fast or I can I can go catch us one and win. Or you know you can evaluate where you're out from there but if you don't try to win something on the first one then you're always. I mean the second one turns into basically one header that hopefully you can win something in the average if you catch him. I I think that's a big thing to to reopen nowadays is having a run and knowing where to make and where to to risk and where to to press and where to not and man. I do I agree with you. I think that that run. That's like it's almost the same as a fifteen sixty team one header Rodeo. The you know you're going to be pretty aggressive. It's just not dirty dirty tough but if you can make that run if it feels like that's a little higher percentage where you get that one good horse and you. Kinda yeah pretty aggressive and I think that's that's where it gets when those start connecting you can really add up the wins and and get some bigger hits into. Yeah I think I think we said about making your own. All Year is is the deal because he started Odessa. And the box short mysterious or closer to your faster on year. Run then you get out in the summer and and my point though is that Chad does the same thing. All year long he makes same round Riley. Every everybody goes to very good goes to the steer. He never reaches. You never doesn't think stupid. T wait everywhere he goes. He hits the barrier pretty good and he reaches every sphere and he knows he's going to do. He does sixty five years year and it pays off for him I think I've gotten into that before in the middle of summer thinking man. Why being so aggressive everybody else's just catching play try. It makes it look so easy instead of just sticking to my game plan do what I do on every single steer it's GonNa pay off somewhere But you know you ever run like Riley. He knows I'm not GONNA win. I Lot I'm going to win. A lot of chicks t wade goes the other way. I'M GONNA win first and second a lot when I place he got to pick what you WANNA deal before you start and not try to change it throughout the year. That's what's hard is Is Stick to your plan all the time but if you do that then you're way better off. I think that's a that's a really strong point. T wait he tells me It's hard to not try to win one of those day money's when they're paying four thousand two they're just right there and he can do it and that's his mindset all year and he's going to win just like you said a lot of first seconds. Chad has around and both of those guys are usually at the. Nfl are really close to it. And in both great at staying with their I think that's you're exactly right. You can get in a lot of trouble and I think that's where suburbs can really go bad when you get watching a caleb triggers or someone like that that can or duston. Agassi's it's really. They're just so much game. And you're like man these guys stuck and I'm straight back. I need to press Yup. I need to do that and it just completely tastes you out of your element and you're playing their game out your yeah well. It's easy to do when it's going right. You know it's easy for me to make Myron all the time but be in Rodeo and more you realize now you know Riley Chad. They're more conservative over the summer. And there's a lot of times where they catch and they don't win anything but then all that a defect Dustin. He'll go for a week and not catch us. Dear you know but at the next one he still does the same thing. T- way does the same thing he was telling me yesterday and Matt they won thirteen. Eight hundred sixteen thousand something over the fourth. And then they made their run and they were catching. They weren't doing good. They didn't win. Nothing clear until Idaho Falls Preston all that week. They want nothing for a whole month. Basically three and a half weeks as a first week artists from first week and they're doing the same thing just it just wasn't in it wasn't working. They changed nothing and they won. Fourteen thousand that week oppressed in I know falls hieber. Great falls all them. They went fourteen grandmothers week. That's where it's so important to watch these veteran guys like Matt great example. I mean he's not going to press the panic button he's just gonNa stay with it and he knows get just seemed the other day as Intel said he tried to go real fast missed a couple and then he goes and catches and I think he was one of the first guys a at San Antonio is a real good example when he went it. It might have been pretty open. I think might have been just like a five. And he still he takes. He makes it rough that wins. It's guaranteed really good money and it is flipped around too. I think they split. Yeah there's still four flat and everything really come together for him but it was like it was perfect heading in that situation and I think that's where you get those veteran guys and you can really alert law from them as they they stay consistent to what they do all year for it just like you said Odessa to Stephenville. Yeah Yeah and they know they know the places like. I'd never been estes park before last year. And that's just part of being young and not being the places but we were in maybe the fourth perf and the slack was still after us but you know forty teams have gone when we and it was so easy so easy like we'd have been. I think we'd have been Jason up lagging. We'd been maybe five one or or four nine or something. We'd have been winning second after forty teams. If you're one of the second usually win at something and I just didn't know it seemed like easy but I can figure out why nobody caught you know waft slack. I think maybe four eight and one nothing like those guys know from Star and some of them guys in my purse. That that her old veterans that know what they're doing and they were bombing and I couldn't figure out why like what did they do it. Why are they being stupid like that? Well they know they know where they're at. They knew the estes always ends up. Like that Places that are that are that way. Just turn out that way and nil so typically to like S.'s. A really good example. Because it's it has one hundred teams usually right around there and there's a half an upstairs and that pretty fresh I run so the starts now very true and if you can hit the barrier you can have a role in blast one but it is so hard to do it when one steer might start and the next one and they're just really inconsistent and you don't know and that's not a lot of money he's won. That first job was soon as a severe storm leaving true they are they get after them. And that's that's part of. It is like at Estes. If you take a run earlier in the week you know you know you're going to have to be super aggressive to win something and it's going to be hard but you get a late round. Probably a casper. And you'll know what it takes to make it back over there casper steers you're doing and if you can. If you know what type of run it takes to win. That's that's where it Kinda comes together. So Yeah we. We've been going for a while. I do have one last question because it just happened last night. Calgary and so there's mixed emotions because this is so frustrating about the PR. Is that in this last year too. There's a lot of good things happening. Espec- lead with TV and cat was being. We've got all these opportunities. How exciting is that to be? Were know you ever watch the radio's on TV. And there's a lot of marketing opportunities that are looks like it's in present themselves for capitalists but there's the rain or the pro tour and it's supposed to be a certain amount of dollars attitude. Toria and they let a few radio slob less added money and I'm pretty sure the rules. It's said this way but we're going to let things go. So these really is can still be there. Okay and then. Calgary never had teamed up before as far as I know Added any event. But I do know that fifty thousand five hundred what pays fifty than twenty five hundred hundred one hundred hundred thousand twenty five eight. Twenty five maybe. Yeah so yeah. It's a big gap in in the final. Four that shootout but a huge huge change could make your whole year round up and and to my knowledge or do you know much about how much is added. Yes so I don't know the exact dollar mountain the other events but I know the team roping. They added thirty five thousand and then with the five hundred dollar fees which I don't know about fees in the other events but I would almost bet they don't pay fees With the five hundred dollar fees. There's going to be fifty thousand total. So that's a good Rodeo. But it ain't compared to what the rest of the Rodeo is and Yeah Garrett Tanaz. These post really nailed it on facebook It's an amazing Rodeo. And it's awesome to have the team roping but for it to be approved if the Rodeo has a short round which are doing in the team roping asked to equal money for it to be a PR SIERRA TO YOU and they're not doing that and And that's wrong to just break the rules but also I see it from both sides because you gotta start somewhere you know I. I think that they're on the right track of. You gotTa have the Rodeo. They gotTA have open before they're just GonNa added in that all that money. They got to have it. I but It seems more to me. Like the just wants their six percent of that. Rodeo than they care about making it better for the cowboys I get that same same feeling to the Kelsey chases the other day. I did a podcast about breaker rippin. It would you know what do you think it takes the car and I just was curious but answer the question. If they didn't give you the same amount of added money as all the other events. Would you still want to do that? And she said yes but I love as far as she said yes if they could show me a pathway how get all the other events yeah and as such a strong answer? I feel I really feel now. The T. V. Because like okay. Here's Calgary if you said all right we're going to have is at ten percent of what the other events getting probably it's probably pretty close to ten percent so they're getting all the investigating ninety percent money which sounds really bad but there's not groping there so you got now you at least at t. v. but okay three years from now it'll be equal money because this is the roadmap to that. We're going to start this year next year and to go here we're going to have a little bit more of fees change whatever they wanna do but it just seems like okay. We're going to test it out this way and make pure see Rilya but there's really no guarantees and man. That's that's one thing for a professional radio station. It sure seems like we're there's rules that are changed pretty quickly and it's I don't know if it's true or not. I get what I think's GonNa look bad for us. Is that that money counts. Now Calgary is GonNa Count for the Kaffir open and stuff so the calf roper is. Get Two hundred dollars this year and there's going to be somebody at the finals with over two hundred thousand one. I don't know how much I'm sure. All of the hundred doesn't count but still even fifty councillors one more person that gets into the finals for sure because of that and then at one hundred fifteenth place is going to have. Dang near hunted thousand one and then the team opens. GonNa be seventy and IT'S GONNA make us look look pretty bad first place in the gaffer opens can have probably close two hundred and the team roping can have about one twenty. Well that's Manda is opens a whole kind words because as a really really good point it takes away spot far essentially when you give fifty thousand dollars. He's pretty much made the far. And that's something that's pretty big but also you got to thinking. Oh I don't know the exact number but it's over. Half of the membership thinks over half the members of the team members. And you're not letting them you're not making it mandatory. That will run through the same about money. It's kind of odd that I understand. That team of it is not as entertaining and as a rough stop prevent. Or even I think regular opens probably entertains anything but there are some some things you could make that argument at crab team doesn't look the best and end up and you gotta go a lot faster and so the miss. There's quite a few more misses than pets. But what it takes to make a good run. There's a lot that goes into it and so for for Rutgers Thunder fans outer seven. That's kind of tough. But from the Rodeo Association perspective manage sure seems like. Wouldn't you WANNA keep fifty percents of your members really happy? Yeah so other the balance there but I do talking about because hopefully we'll fire some some change and the sports going that way I really do. I agree I think it's going correctly right now. I agree. I think the cowboys channels can do a lot US You know before everybody wanted to know. How did they all look through results? Everybody from home when now we go three on one at the Semis in. Everybody watched it. And I'm a before I even got out of the Arena. Could turn my phone back on. I had fifteen messages from people at home. You know good job so so happy for you and I think I think that's going to take us a long ways. I agree and world. I think what it's GonNa do to is going to get them. All Rolling on your crossfire rules and things like that. I'm telling you. I Want San Antonio I wants a first few rounds a little bit of the roping and but that night I think goes to the pre-open Mike. Survey that you get flagged for us and the next morning on facebook I'm talking groups like it was bad at it. Reminded me of the Saints Football Fan. Saints Rams call the the passive the no call ago. Yep I think it was not to go super bowl but the the game before but probably the worst call. Nfl History Guy. It reminded me of that. You know I was waiting for there to be means of a and it's book. It creates a lot of buzz when you put it out there on that scale and so it I think in change. It's it's getting enforce. It's going to force them to make changes to Rodeo a little faster. Hey there's twenty cowboys at South Tonight. Fans that may not really understood what was going on. Aren't diehards but you get the whole. Yeah industry watching run. And they're like. Hey this guy. Now now you've got to make moves and I think that's where channels doing great. I'm really excited about those things. Because it's it's hopefully next year we'll be situation where those kind of things can be corrected. Yep I hope so or even before that so well man we cover a lot. Today's or anything else. You WanNA cover on podcast. Not that I can think of. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much as yeah. Thanks for having me.

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Ellenburg on Ellenburg:  The Gene Crawford Conversations, 1977

Thaddeus Ellenberg's Casual Friday

26:49 min | 1 year ago

Ellenburg on Ellenburg: The Gene Crawford Conversations, 1977

"Thaddeus soundbite presents casual Friday Written and read by Albert Good evening I'm gene Crawford former late night television personality and recurring telethon host tonight. We continue our year long series. Ellensburg on Ellen Berg the gene Crawford conversations with another memorable thaddeus ellensburg appearance from nineteen seventy seven with agents dominant. We bring you special narrated insights from the master of the Mundane himself courtesy of the Athol James Foundation and the Tireless folks at the Institute of Television Arts by this time Ellen. Berg had already moved into motion pictures most notably with his cruise ships film from nineteen seventy five which won four International Academy Awards ineligible for the Domestic Oscars due to the fact that despite an all Anglo cast. The film was shot primarily in transboundary waters. These included best picture best actress winifred border best screenplay and best score for Buster Leeann not only a commercial success with theatrical running time of nine and a half hours. A condition of closeness and cruise ships was lauded as cinematic marvel and through time noted as an early slipstream masterpiece handled with kind of and sensitivity similar to the films of the Great Walden. Gray a magician from Fort Lauderdale who self produced a series of how to tapes featuring a pair of hands performing card rigs with the occasional getaway glitch in an evening dress at this stage in Ellen. Burg's career the cinema. Artur had arrived then. Gene Robert show tonight with special guest Thaddeus Bird and featuring Jack Wilkinson the Gene Crawford Ban Ladies and Gentlemen Ha g rougher so. We're just going to keep going without a great. I see I commend your pace sir. But I don't agree with it. Miss Really you're sure I would reconsider the most about you. What do you dangle? I've no idea what that means like. I kind of CYBORG. Thank you thank you thank you. Isn't that Nice Guy? I use the reception like that. Last night's commemorative speech for the Coalition for networked values. They rushed me off stage after I misplaced my moral compass which is a real Shane. My father gave it to me on the back. Engraved at Ted Hanks Hawk Shop East Fifty six street. Listen we're going to continue. I'll need my scarf. Liu Bei herringbone lease discard the others in that discrete wastebasket. I noticed on the way in. I always plan for various moods and never wear my scars more than once ever since the fringe of my Blue Chiffon cake brushed against the table of that barbecue joint and truck. Ston Fatty Nectar of a secular bird or the juicy rump of a beast remains eternally at odds of my debonair dress and decorum. No I have to say the smoky must of my sauce. Speckled beard is quite the Aphrodisiac. Tangy surprised for my most shapely of sexual partners with whom I frequently engage in week. Long displays of shameless depravity considered unspeakable leaving behind closed doors. Which we leave open to coax unlikely participants with Joaquin Roddick's Roddick's mortgage board in eighty nine. I released Cologne called La- smoltz and intoxicating aroma of goose fat and chestnut spiced apples zest. It sent always calls to mind enchanted evening with Lilith Cranston thanksgiving feast consumed in a fit of passion little which was Ingested Orleans. Now my guest this evening to put it. Mildly is a regular on the program when we first met him he was writing jokes for Dave Perry other various late night standbys appearing on the Mel Silver. Show you're welcome since he's become one of the most exciting talents in the world of cinema. Whose films include a condition of closeness and cruise ships slowhand Bakersfield mini in constant and his latest twenty four stories of macaroni and macaroni. Absolutely absurd. It's likely to cause convulsions. He's a writer. Director and actor an amateur dancer and a lousy musician. He's back for another round. Won't you please welcome? That is Ellen Burr. This is your next clip. Really this is all. I recall several years earlier. Doing a tap number with Marilyn Colgate. That received quite the ovation. I was never really known for my dancing in the states but abroad. I brought peace to many a war torn nation with my to the untrained eyes seemingly. Spastic DOFF beat heaving fueled entirely by my own inner dialogue. I remember the network sensor took alarming issue with my wardrobe silver sequined halter top with matching hot pants and generous bulge brought on backstage by Claudia. Daniels and her delightful giggle. The show's director. Fred forest covered the entire routine and closeups to block. My what was later. Described does inciting knees side. Crawford's three hundred page doorstop of off camera interviews and personal letters published a ninety five to pay for his divorce to Joan bankhead. It was it was hampered terribly by its exclusion of more memorable. An entertaining correspondences with Crawford particularly the one where I so eloquently broke the news of my unrelenting lust for Joan after partaking in rejuvenating bowl of cantaloupe. That said Thaddeus. It's great to see you. Welcome back thank you. It's good to be back. We were taking bets before the show you know. I don't know if you've done this but do you know how many times you've been on the show. Which number of appearances marks? I have to check with my accountant. A great many. I can tell you that this is actually your fourteenth time or teens. Yeah that doesn't see. I would check that well. You know you're always an audience. Favorite more always delighted to have you back. Thank you How have you been? We haven't spoken since before the holidays. I was anyone been really everything going on out there. It's madness. I took a mob to the studio hoisted over their heads. Yeah something like that Jeopardise holiday. You were Michigan Right. I believe I read that now. Detroit yeah. We had a pretty far out time. Nancy nye abstain from the festivities this year. And instead well this year we back. That was kind of you. Yes it was. What did you do? Did you donate gifts or help with like meals? No we organized a bet in with Peter. Halford bent in. That's right Jim to give back exactly. Thank you now for those at home. Particularly some of our younger viewers might be scratching their heads. This is Well a kind of derived of citizens INS. I'm sure we're all familiar with us. A sort of a a a peaceful protests nets correct. You can you get out of bed is that is that allowed or is that in line with bet in etiquette you can but you can't touch the carpet fastened. There's a there's an ashtray right. I'm fine on the table. I'd like to respond to this segment by speaking directly to the audience is is that all right. What about review whiskers split? Give it an ashtray. Good evening and welcome that he said Lindbergh Air and thank you for purchasing this exclusive in home look into my life and work. A career spent exploring the depths of my tortured and sometimes tranquil existence. Say in a bath or in the divine acoustics of my wineries tasting whole what they didn't public broadcast. That's stealing and that case. Your donations are greatly appreciated. I'll be commenting on this exchange with Gene Crawford by reading a brief excerpt from me in the genius one of my many memoirs. I just so happened to have a copy as I carry with me all of my memoirs and a milk crate with wheels. I was criticized by my peers for being late to the antiwar movement. Not Publicly. But you could sense it at parties quiz show appearances. I was never really one for trends but when I stopped receiving free products for listed on Air Plugs. I had to act so we see on ourselves off from the public. Nancy and myself along with our friends playwright Peter Pfeiffer and his then Nanny Lover Yuki Sato the performance artist. We spent twenty three days. Inside the Wheeler House Detroit's premier bed and breakfast then sold tickets to the media. Ten thousand a pop for a soft. Our Peter had just closed on New York seventy-six end to much fanfare while you was promoting her new record. Though Wales of progress a four hour single track of construction sounds breast six double sided. Lp's we interviewed with journalists. From American Fancy Gregory Fulton and Keith. Helderman meditated for hours on end methods which included finger painting and stream of consciousness charades and saying love and protest songs with John. Logan the Bohemian Songwriter Constable Marley's midlife parade. Pack your bags old dog. Bobby's all grown up the tragedy of Terence lighthearted on thunderhead Ridge Logan's iconic ballot of the folk accordionist singing about two neighbors feuding over the name of an old ditty. They knew when they were young. This was of course before Logan Scandalous on American bout with the controversial Russian singer Irena Mironov in the nineteen eighties papers in the public alike. Condemned turf for unpopular remarks made in favor of workers rights delivered with great gander while performing outside the Republican National Convention of the work. Our minds where the canvas the bed our studio and the floor hot lava sadly to our dismay the ends proprietor was exceedingly unsympathetic to our cause and during our stay proceeded to build a large deck in the backyard. Despite our efforts day and night the hammering held firmly but we protested with animalistic orgies commencing just after curfew innocent promotions of love and celebration of. Communal ecstasy. Alas they dispatched the local Dogcatcher to round us up and after several hours of convincing due chiefly to are overgrown and unkempt beards as well as our immaculate cascade rich fleece like hair upon our chests as was the aesthetic norm established by my more fresh-faced Hollywood contemporaries alongside the creation of outdoor swimming. We were eventually released from there catch polls. We reenacted the affair and one of the many sixteen millimeter shorts we shot throughout our peaceful occupy or appeal films. I later compiled into an anthology called through the crystal door. Films of revolution and four post. Prostration was immensely popular but unfortunately had a very limited run as I single handedly financed the distribution years. Later came to my knowledge that at the time apprent was circulated in the scene showing up in coastal art house theaters bowling alley twin plex stag parties in private collections. We spent the remaining days under heavy sedation. Rodman by four hundred milligrams of doc see more. Fatal compounded with rare Chinese roots and the powder testicles of an endangered tree rodent taken to maintain our actions. Would you like me to keep reading? There's only two hundred pages left in this chapter. Let me check the thumbs on this one travel agent. Well you know it really really frees your mind. You know just getting away from everything like that and just separating yourself from society. We took the chambermaid generously with a paper. Michelle Ley Yuki constructed from pages of an old. I think it was pioneer women. We've found in the bathroom ever read that growing up. I'm sure fact that that was my introduction to the monthly. I WanNa talk about your new film but I wanNA ask you because we're used to seeing you do comedic films farces you know if you will until Brooklyn paperback thank you. You know that was the that was the first time I set out to make the laughs. Come second right right but there is still a you know a comedic notes almost tongue in cheek. Lampooning the references in clear yet. It's still creating something completely unique is what I'm what I'm trying. Say LIKE MOSAIC BID. Yeah Yeah Dorning a wall you never noticed on route you take every day there is but then you have these epic five act ensembles with everybody in town like cruise ships and summers in Topeka MELODRAMAS. You could say my my labours. My my joy wind chimes in winter. Interesting fact about wind jobs. Every horse used in the production was killed during filming. Isn't that interesting? Is that something you enjoy? Film was released in eleven languages. I record it all of them. I couldn't leave my cinematic integrity to chance. Chin-chin what I mean is delight making films that take place over five or more decades. Do you like to spend that kind of time with your characters. Well now you see gene. Let's let's listen here this. Can I get kind of get a light Jer Jack? Can we get here? Yeah here we go. We have we have the dash of a fifty-seven Callahan. Seabreeze just off camera. Thank you you don't smoke do oh I can't I mean it's my lungs. I rent them. It's cute well. It's a long show. Never mind this isn't what I thought. It was. Skip ahead to mind November sweeps appearance with that muppet with Shag. Memories and Delors. Where's Dolores Dolores? Dolores can? I can dear. Can I get a hot toddy? More taty than hot. Thank you see gene to answer your question. As far as I know we only get one go with this. I'm open to other views on the matter but I'm still hip to the current laws of nature. You understand and I did what people decide. Do with a lot of time. A lot again. Debatable. Joyce maiden chaos so to speak luck a leg up. Whatever therefore as storyteller. I often find myself compelled by the full scope of a of a an existence. I revel in painting characters. Complete arc narrative the march if you will lives of equal triumph and defeat rags and riches interwoven character. Ever-evolving convictions crumbling. Time that festering cynicism corruption the gentle hand of love and the adoption of US once opposed acceptances against interest this This check this continual conversation the veil of growth and decline rooted in a period a region. Persuasion that is storytelling and the visualization of this struggle. This firmly held belief in ourselves. Knowledge of who we are at a given time convey only momentarily through the placement of a camera that choice of Alinsky the Meson Senna Medically speaking about capturing the character ourselves they're interchangeable capturing the character losing themselves. Is that connection with the audience that cerebral thump on the NOGGIN. That emotional wallop to the chest. That beat that all important insert that swells your throat and makes you gasp for air like a fish out of water with the weight of our Shared Condition Mattis Cinema. You know in all our years doing this program i. I can't recall a single other time. When a guest has received a standing ovation in the middle of the show you articulate everything so romantically we know that. But it's also wonderful. Wonderful your phone your language. That's your signature. Which is something I know for myself. I really enjoy about your your films. Something I really enjoy about your films at the arrogance of that man never exhibited notion of modesty and for what how gene Crawford rose to any level of claim is astounding. You know we haven't spoken in twenty years. Not since I moved out of his Tim Bray Hills Guest House where I spent thirty six months. Plus two and a half years. Editing rains gapes at night. A momentous undertaking an obsession really toiled over rain scrapes. Making three fourths of an ETA today became a bit of a recluse lived and breathed the cut. I laid with the assembly. Each night entangled in it's brilliance coiling frame after frame after frame around myself. A love affair and seven reels crestfallen. It was taken from me by the Finance Guy. When he's government who got on board and picked up the TAB following my adventurous hiatus mining deep in the jungle see it. Is that what all this has. Four Crawford did that too busy Galley Wag. Put you all up to this whereas in another room. Can you hear me gene gene? You old goat get your but out here. Go ahead bring him out. This is a long time coming. Need to reapply powder to I. I don't know about this background though I get them back projection and here something vastly like a scorched prairie to symbolize distance in our marred relationship. What are you working on now? Are you writing gene? I'm always writing film the Big One. The one they'll all remember your next one history will write it my greatest can you? Can you share the title? It's called seventy rings from the bark. Seventy rings from the Bart's marvelous. Does the story of an aging director in reverse. You see well making his final film. We shave down the years until his story. Which of course. Rivals the one. He's making about you guys. But that's still gives me new stumbles. And that's that's what he knows something bigger than you than your imagination. It's no longer yours. I tell you in the final shot when we see his pregnant mother with her hand to her belly watching his father. The little tree in the front yard remember remember shot. Remember the you remember my masterpiece. I mean I. I made a lot of films in my day but known as good as that one was that powerful. Let's go again for safety. I I I really want to nail this. And we're we're still waiting on that TATY. Dolores Delors where's Dolores? It's difficult to conceive all the pictures. You've made erode short period of time. I could have made one less if I wanted to. Really the compulsion is that strong. Oh tremendous tremendous like I said life live is a kind of ride is no telling how long it will last or what kind of dips and dives it will have so enjoy and be thankful you. GotTa seat the only difference with me is. I have to ride all the rides thank you. You're doing first-class work. Incidentally Levy on ninety what was that I know this is a studio and not a bar out dare you. Who Are you? Who are any of you. I retract my earlier compliment. You work as not first class. It is a it is a much lower class. Something something suitable for steerage. I don't care if my levels are spiking what are levels at highway an excuse for your mediocrity levels. That sounds made up. Gosh you know. How good are you at sticking around? We have to step away for a second. But I I WANNA talk about macaroni and Maccarone gene for you. I'd I'd be delighted. Where's the man in charge? I demand to speak to him. This entire operation has been loosey. Goosey from the word. Go not once have I felt anything less than total contemptibility. From the moment we started rolling camera which are such insignificance. I don't even know where they are. Serious show me someone please for the love of God point to a God damn camera. Look Look I've I've flustered myself. Flustered myself to the point. I must now drink this piping fecal sludge sentiment is spot on though that is and that is tasty. We'll we'll have more with Mister Ellsberg after this message. This has been a production of thaddeus Allen. Burg's casual Friday written and read by Thaddeus Lemberg with an introduction by Nicole Coz each and artwork by Adrian mobile this series of independently produced by Thaddeus Allen bird to find more episodes of information visit our website at t. e. casual Friday dot com or email us at contact dot casual Friday at G. L. DOT com.

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The Rack 08-01-19

The Rack Radio Show

1:07:34 hr | 1 year ago

The Rack 08-01-19

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Show actually take you in and show you all the new things that are going on in that <hes> we got some news big big news about Ninja that we're talking about. I know we normally don't talk about streamers and stuff like that on this show Oh but we have to talk about this because huge and yeah we're talking about okay and we've got wrestling news. We've got smackdown and x t all your favorites tweak stuff like that. We're doing all the normal stuff but it's a really really really jam-packed Newsday and so we're we're going to start with. Minya brought to our friends over N._B._D.. Films you calm such N._B._C.. Twelve eleven and he made an absolutely huge announcement today that is going to impact packed <hes> really directly impact not only streamers on twitch streamers elsewhere too because he officially announced that he's leaving twitch permanently and he is going right to mix her and he will be exclusively streaming on mid serving time yeah big sorry sorry by the way if you were on the pre show or you're listening to this on <hes> the the podcast. It's storming here right now like there's a big thunderstorm right over my house right. Now is pouring rain. It's thundering. It's lightning so I apologize in advance for the store is not ambient. I promise it's actually happening and it was just a really big crack lightning that came down so yeah. It was great timing for the effect. I do what I can. You know preplanned all this. I'm just praying my power to go out right now. That would be awful awful way too much to talk about so yeah inches leaving. He has left which he's had two mixer fulltime starting tomorrow contract the twitch so he's moving to that platform which means if you ever subscriber to him subscribe here tricks that T._v. says Amazon prime's. It's what you know. The whole twits prime thing do the whole the whole Shebang <hes> but it's a game changer because for him. It's a more of a settling rattling move where it's like. He doesn't have to worry about his fan base because he's blown up so much yeah he can just sort of do what he does. He can stream when he can he does but he doesn't have to worry about. Hey Amazon prime account linked to your account claiming rectangular button the whole thing that you all should be doing right now but his other worry worry about that he just has to perform he just stream that's all he has to do because they made him a montor offer to take his millions of followers to mixer a to grow that brand he helped grow twitch now. He's going to help grow mixer. It's a great deal for him and I know for a fact I know how astute of business person he is and his wife is and I know that they would have not done this unless it was a significant monetary offer and and the benefits to both parties were equal and in really good I mean that's the only way to phrase it because it's like Ninjas. Not GonNa do anything anything. That's going to be a detriment to him or his brand. He is extremely protective of it. He understands that this right here is his bread and butter. You no the sponsorships and everything else he does. That's the gravy to what streaming has brought to him but the streaming the the live content that he produces that's where it all comes from so he knows he has to maintain that he knows he has to continue to do that and so he's going to make the best decision possible on where to put that in whether that's let's keep that on twitch or now move it over exclusively to mixer he had to make that choice and I from what I understand. He's been considering this for really long time. On this was not a snap decision. He's been talking to mix about it and he he ultimately made the choice to go to to mixer and leave twitch which which I think it will ultimately be good for him because he doesn't have like. You said he doesn't have to grind his heart. Is what what everybody else doesn't twitch. We don't have to sit here and say hey click the Amazon prime button which we'd love for you to do by the way you know follow subscribe. You know all that other stuff. He doesn't have to worry about that. He can be him and do him because his schedule Joel is so insane. He's rarely live anymore and I mean that like rare. He rarely has time that he can really be live periods but then there's stretches where he's gone like he'd be home for three weeks and then he's gone for two so it's like we're not going to mixer now. We're not going to make sure we did not get a monetary monetary offer however if MR would like to make us a monetary offer of substantial means to come over and exclusively stream on their platform. I am open to hearing that offer Brent already there. So why do I need <hes> so yeah. We're just GONNA stay here. He's GonNa go there. Everyone one else staying on twitch but they've been mixers after the big names they've been after them for a while. They have ages dot A._G.. Thousands of mixer he's on there often. They're trying to grow. They're trying to become another big platform and Ninjas the one the biggest of the game. They're trying to capture that four-night audience. That's is what they're trying to do. They understand that four night is one of the biggest games in the world right now and so it's Ninja on average can get about forty to fifty thousand people watching him every day so it's like they wanna Bernie's got millions of followers on Youtube and twitter and instagram and twitch and everywhere aware and so it's like they they want that exposure. They want those numbers. They want to grow and it's Microsoft so you know they have the money through just yeah yeah they kind of have the money they want to grow which is this this is the way to yeah and so basically it's like what does this mean for everybody else like rock said pretty much all the other bigger streamers light in Batman Doctor Lubo and a few of the other ones. I think courage confirmed although I'm not sure that they're all staying staying on twitch. They're not going anywhere for right now. They're all staying where they're at and this does not mean the end of the squad streams if you're a fan of those Ninja can still like be with them and play games with them and like his voice can be heard on twitch is just he cannot stream this content on twitter anymore so that's what that all means so he can still all do everything that he did before if you're fan of the man and it's just different platform to seize content that's it I feel like for the twitch community as a whole Ooh and this is just me and our small little channel on not that we would ever gain any benefit from it but I feel like in terms of a big streamer leaving twitch. This is beneficial to everybody else. Because now those subs the followers <hes> those viewers can go to other channels and other channels can now benefit from the fact that hat ninjas no longer here because like I say he is like here's the thing you could if you watch twitch enough and like for example I'll queue up fortnight and I'll listen four-night throughout the day different channels whoever's on all all listen somebody until they go offline and then I'll move over somebody else depending on whose online so it first thing in the morning there's a lot of people on lawyer and symphony a couple other people out of the people that I follow and then it's like Luca comes on and he gets he'll get like eight to ten thousand viewers and then Tim comes on and Tim alike slash leabeau's number because everybody goes over to him and the Ninja comes on and Ninja takes from Lupo and Tim and anybody else that's on like you see the numbers shift is really interesting to see how the numbers shift throughout the day and then t food comes on and symphony and all them lose their numbers because they all go to Fhu you and yeah okay yeah you go from there but yeah so it's like I think it will be beneficial for everybody else for the smaller streams especially during the day okay in the mornings. Sorry do anything about it. I'm sorry <hes> Yeah Georgia Weather <hes> I think it's going to be beneficial for everybody else. 'cause like I said those those viewers and those subs and everything else they can go to all the different channels channels and they can benefit from all the different channels and if they decide to exclusively go remixer like the only reason they're here is for Ninja will okay. That's fine. They can go there too. There's nothing wrong with that but I feel like it's just going to be good. It's good for him and his good for the community as a whole everyone because while they're all friends there is a level of competition between every streamer because they want to get the most viewers they can. They want to get the most subs that they can because that's money to them. This is their job <hes>. This is their life. If you're a pro streamer this is what you do you get online every day eight hours a day and you grind it out for content and tips in <music> subs and everything else because that's your bread and butter. That's how you're put pain. You're in pain your light bill and doing all this other stuff and living your life because you don't have any any other job. Sorry just keep going. Stop letting distract you know it scares me only graph that was close anyway so oh yeah I just that's my point is this is going to be beneficial for everybody. I wish him nothing but success. I hope it goes really really well for him. As well as the twitch switch partnership has gone and he just really enjoys what he's doing <hes> and he gets something out of it emits or get something out of it and everybody else on twitch. Get something out of it like it's just to win win for everybody so so that's the big news yeah. That's the big pop culture news of the week. Yeah let me to handle this part. Yes so now we have to we're going to transition over to wrestling and there's another story that we have to talk about and we're going to be very serious for a minute because it's a very serious various topic and rocks GonNa take it from here. So here's the deal earlier today. It was announced that former multi time in the world champion when Harley race had passed away at the age of seventy six it was revealed by longtime friend Dustin Rhodes that Harley who's been diagnosed with <hes> back in March a terminal lung cancer. It's unfortunate. He's been sick for a long time. He's had many different attempts at trying to beat it. Sadly sadly he was a night sucks. It really sucks. The wrestling community is sorta grieving at the moment they're trying you will see all the messages passages everyone's putting out on twitter facebook instagram so what have you it's sex when you lose. Someone alleged like this sex when you lose anyone yeah. It's a sucks. It's it's really really hard when you lose a living legend like someone like Harley race who impacted so many lives in so many careers like you hear almost every wrestler of a certain generation and beyond say you know one of their main influences was Harley race ace and he did so much to give back to the community as a whole and I know he's going to be very sorely missed. You see see the messages out there like you said and people are just the entire community is reeling from this because he was so impactful and he was so important to a a Lotta people so it's really very sad that he's gone and our condolences and our prayers and our thoughts and not that that really means anything to anybody but just the fact that we're thinking about his family in this very difficult time you know hopefully they can find solace in the fact that he's at peace and he's not in pain anymore because as I'm sure that was not a pleasant thing all to be dealing with in the fact that he has relief from it. I'm sure is some some measure of solace. I don't know though so there you go so thank you Harley Goodbye Godspeed sit. Tell everybody we said Hi go join that big party in the sky and try to calm everybody. Hey down so moving on from that. Take a minute and moving on all right. We're Interviewer so good for him <hes> and well. We have a little news on the aid of You T._v.. Show which is coming this fall. We have the first first two matches set. This is inviting news we do we have cody taking on Sammy Gra Vieira that we should apparently the the opening match on the first Marquess so <hes> and and Kenny Omega with the bucks is taking on Chris Jericho and to the mystery opponents <hes> <hes> wonder who that could be don't know we'll have to find out too super-secret tickets now available or sure rebel this tickets available this Friday for eight W._D._C. so tunein everybody should be exciting switching over to impact wrestling real quick to Kneel Dash Would Aka Emma of former W._b.. Fame has signed with impacts who good for her. That's awesome news guten very women and I like that I'm kind of okay with that. Actually her and Tessa could do some good probably makes a magic chick in more we won both is against each other and his attack team. They would kind of be interesting together so and well net flicks is about have to get a little bigger. Oh yes well. It's the big show and he's coming to net flicks with his own reality. Reality series the big show show. This is an actual live action comedy. This is the thing comedy with the big big show. Here's the plot well the teenage when the teenage daughter makes you a retired world famous superstar comes live with him his wife and two other daughters he quickly it becomes outnumbered and outsmart despite being vitelle weighing four hundred pounds his no longer this center for attention. That's the plot should be interesting. I mean Netflix. That's like tends to put together pretty decent original content so kind of looking forward to this should be interesting. Big Joe's great comedic timing. Oh yeah so this should be really fun and exciting to watch yeah Kinda. Kinda can't wait for it so we'll have to see where we go there and we'll laugh but certainly not least waist. Let's do the blame brand's bragging backscratching so it's this week's injury roundup all righty we have caring Q. in annex t with a broken leg hashtag blame Brent and then Rachel Ella Ring along with a knee injury Hashtag blame Brent both the same day yeah both of them were the same night in two separate cities at two separate INEX- t- he shows so well done Brent that's Karen Q. will should be out six in nine months and no word on how severe the knee injuries for Rachel Hollering Evers. We'll see he's keeping fingers crossed there for them. <hes> tobacco smackdown welcome everyone. He's week's smackdown food. Where do you WANNA start righty well? I think we need need to start with the biggest thing I because I wanNA talk about it. Which one or two big ones well? We need to talk about win. AAC Queen Gene meets the Queen in King's court the Queen McQueen's versus equipment queen of all eras. Yes okay. Let's talk about it so oh they set up the dream match you had jerry the king lawler because they were in Memphis hosting the king's court and Outcomes W._b.. Hall of Famer and everybody's dream MHM girl Trish stratus who looked fabulous as always as where she gets better as she gets older she so pretty <hes> anyway. I have a little crush on her anyway so we had Jerry Interviewing Trish and well outcomes so he she made well he questioned. What about you know? Did you ever think about having one more matt forgetting the whole thing about evolution forget on all that have you thought about having one more match in Cert- Queen here yeah so outcomes outcomes Charlotte and a queen meets the Queen and when I say Hey Queen meets the Queen I mean Charlotte met Trish Rush 'cause Tristesse v Queen the Charlotte's just a <hes> no offense to Charlotte but Trish Charlotte not not on the same level. Sorry very nice to me. I don't know but yeah so in terms of legendary status chart will get there one day but not right now so the to have a little back and forth four and basically what happens is. We're going to get the dream match at summer slam of Trish stratus versus Charlotte Flare Mulia. Oh Yes yes yes. Yes it should be and I think from what I understand the tube in working together behind the scenes. They've been practicing together so hopefully this should prove to be a very good match. I'm excited for it. <hes> I think everybody is because we're always happy to see Trish because she's kind of one of those that she was in the the what's termed the golden era for the divas but she kinda got screwed there at the end a little bit so now that the women are being taken more seriously. It's nice to see her comeback back and kind of get her do a little bit so yeah. This should be a lot of fun. We'll we'll talk about the whole match next week as wheel. When we the previous Summer Slam scary to think it's tweak them in the month of that they have been the early part so they want to get it out of the way you trying trying to get it out of the way so well speaking of getting things out of the Way Bailey an amber moon had to get the awkwardness out of the way because they team together in a match before the match Bailey and ember have a little chat where Bailey's like look? I don't like you. You don't like me see you want my title. You hit me or you cheap shot at me. It's water under the bridge OUTTA Yati auditor. We have to get together tonight so we're going to get together tonight but you know if you try anything I'm going to end you which sounds very weird coming for Bailey Bailey life threatening. Anybody sounds really weird it does but she she made no bones about it and emory was like yeah if you so they go out they do their match. It was a little Matt they lose to Nikki Gene Alexa great together <hes> and then well afterwards after a little bit of confusing whatnot Bailey Bailey the belly laying out amber moon so bailey returns the favor on ember for the eclipse last week <hes> and yeah I'm okay with this. I'm fine with this. That's perfectly and I had to transition for this other than speaking of getting things out of the way Zane answered Ulster Blacks Challenge yes. He wants to fight the GO-TO fight Alison next summer time so that probably be early on match because you know sometimes can be very long show could be prepared before to five hours is be prepared. Strap in slams going to be long but sammy versus allister's could be good. It's GonNa be really really good loyd and speaking of good or not good for fans of horror. Things got a little fiendish yen. We had the puppet talk and we had bright talk doc or right laugh. The puppet talk laugh and then the fien showed up during the dossier Griffin Beller match which okay we have to talk about the fend off match which was actually pretty good matches self was actually very very good. It's very enjoyable <hes> but things went a little haywire when the fiend decided to haunt fin valor we sorta showed up he didn't do anything he didn't attack he just sort of loomed in the darkness in the Spooky nece before he disappeared again and then we had <hes> <hes> the rabbit show up on screen the Rep who was the rubber was I yeah the rabbit the rabbit showed up and was talking and then break came came in and he was all upset and he was looking for the rabbit because the rabbit ran away and hid it couldn't find the rabbit and then he talked to Finn but it wasn't it wasn't hasn't seen bray. It was like slightly ready to lose his crap ray like its pros. It's PROZAC Bray but it's it's the twitter version of the PROZAC Phibro so basically it's bray like on the edge of Luke constantly losing his crap and he looks like he hasn't slept in about four years because us. He's like leading the female and he can't like he claims he control it but I don't think he really can and so like every time the fien comes out it gets harder are in harder on him to sorta like pull it back because it's like you know. The natural tendency of the character is to be this crazy evil faster that just like beats everybody up mhm and kills them but this P._d.. So we can't say that eliminate eliminate. He eliminates them in quotations. So Oh the fact that you have this character struggling to hold us back. I like that a lot better than like ultra uber happy. Oh my God you're here. Mr Rogers Anders Breivik Diet like I liked the twitter character a lot better than I like <hes> like the fiendish cool but the Phoenix should be exactly how they're using it. It's a special occasion. Dan Type thing where we see it very very rarely in the Bray Wyatt we should get to see is the actual like cracked out version. I hate to <unk>. I hate to use that word but that's the only way describe him. Where it's you know he's not ultra happy bray? He's not the fiend they're sent middle ground where he's both and that's what was really good about this and then he sent the fiend out in the fiend haunted vim valor in the fiend left so a haunting time with with with Broadway and then last but certainly not least we have Roman reigns it was who was there to announce his match at summer slam us there for for knowing he's on the smackdown roster. I forget that he's on the smackdown roster like I forget that because it's like he's been doing both and he was on raw for so long. It's like Oh yes. He's on smackdown never mind <hes> but anyway so yes. He's there to announce his match and he's walking backstage doesn't interview with Kayla. You know everything's going. I'm fine and then randomly a big ass. Shell falls on him. Yeah all comes crashing down so hokey is just like wait. What was that like? Did that mean to happen or was it an accident. I mean granted. They did a really good job of the after we're like everybody's rushing in and you have the camera guy struggling to get the shot and you see people's fee and you know they did a really nice job of presenting at presenting it as it was an accident or it was. It's not quite an accident but it was basically everybody was really surprised by it. They did a really good job of putting that together in shooting that but yeah it's just like randomly shell falls on Roman Roman reigns and we're all sitting here like <hes> what just happened <hes> so the Internet has done some investigation on who attacked on though I can't wait to hear this theory they believe David Buddy Murphy Eddie Murphy Attack Roman reigns to get on the good side of Shane McMahon because okay so what in the all the whole build up. There's a there's a mystery man who walks around backstage is walking as Romans walking around Koetter to the interview. There's a guy walking around that Rohan passes. You don't see the face but you see the back and it's the same shirt buddy murphy always wears. Could it be somebody masquerading as buffy buddy murphy could be but the Internet is claimer so that's the thing murphy versus Shane Okay Murphy versus Roman reigns. That's different totally different. I guess I me I'm not opposed to it. I'm just trying to head around in it would elevate buddy murphy. It would totally elevate buddy murphy because I feel like they're what they're are doing and what their eventually working towards and this is just me is they're. They're shrinking the two. Oh Five Live roster in their steadily working working. The tool five live guys in to the main roster product and I feel like what they're eventually going to do is just phased two. Oh five live out of their product offering altogether and they'll either insert another show or they won't but like because to a five live I I think he's just is mainly on the network. I think it's on errands some of the some markets but you're not not for all this if you think about right to five live airs on Tuesdays right after smack them smackdown moving Fridays so where are they taping it are they gonNA taper on Fridays and in an air raid on Tuesdays. That's a long way in cycled to really sort of like <hes> do they tape it on Mondays but money's already three hour TV taping and they take main event right so it was like like they do yeah so it's like and I don't think to five live ever took off the way that they wanted it to like. The cruiserweight classic did really really well and and that's sort of where to a five live came from was people responded so well to that turney that they're like okay well. Let's give them their own show and aired on the network and it just never it never quite took the way they wanted it to because I think they just didn't fully get behind it. The way that they should've or pushed it the way that they should have and so because of with that of people just kind of forgot about it and forgotten it was there and then it's like Oh yeah right to live is on the network because you would see commercials for it randomly somewhere where you would see somebody pop up on T._v.. Now it's like Oh yeah right yeah yeah. That's the thing so I feel like they're they've been slowly letting people out of their contracts or they've been trying to work them into the shows does so that way it's like they're going to keep going to keep you nose like cedric. Alexander Mustafa Ali and Drake Maverick Andrew Lack Mike Canales Tony Niece like those guys they're actively trying to keep in the working them in <hes> but some of the other guy or I should say Lucia a house party to they work them in can't forget the House party at some other guys like the Brian Kendrick in <hes> crap who are some of the other ones to the singular. That's just name the entire roster well only so yeah. I mean some of the other guys I think they're going to try to get everybody in but it's at the same time. It's like if if they decide to leave. I don't think they're necessarily going to try to stop them at this point unless they're just that paranoid about the other promotion coming in then they may they tried to stop them. I don't know but it seems a little foolish to hold on to people that you have no use for pay them. That's a little baseball but that's my not so so humble opinion and they don't have to take it because it's worth what they paid for it but yeah so that's smackdown in extreme. It's time for this week's edition next Steve Rundown. Did you know Kim this Lori so fight g wants to fight E._E._O.. I don't blame her. I think they should totally fight because I want to sit there and watch it there. She was waiting for her in a parking lot. Regal calmed down. She's not here but she will be in Toronto. We'll be takeover and Laura arrivers ASPERA AD takeover. I'm one thousand percent okay with this and I don't know why but I really like how the writing real right now like I always have loved. I love how they've had regal on the product and he's kind of sort of this like you know it's William Regal Right. You know his history and you know that he is not quite an upstanding gentleman but the fact that he is so just permanent proper but he's you know he's that bad ass on goal that that everybody has like I. I just love how kind of like almost presenting him like that late that to me that to me. I just love that like you know he's like the way that they handle pete done last week. In this week is candice hand is and Williams just I I'm still waiting for the full adoption of done on T._v.. Like I actually want I really I wanted that ever. Since I've seen Pete done is not to take it away from Kansas but I really really really want that pairing where William Takes Pete under his wing and just takes him to the next the quote unquote takes him to the next level in terms of like who he is in his personality like basically polishes him up pete he took on roderick strong in a hats signage. <hes> Oh my God this was so good really good match win via tap out after breaking the fingers felty dream same type to get a shot in but hey he felt the bitter end dream honey. He'll know what you're getting into their just leave him alone just leading to show up. Okay don't don't with that one just feet up roddy. Don't leave Pete alone. You know what you're messing with their okay right. He's he's he's grumpy. At the best of times lead in B A verbal exchange with Shayna and MIA was so oh good oh my God. I'm on board for this match. I can't wait to see this fun like they've done such a great job with Mia <hes> in terms of building her up as bad ass which she is obviously but they've done they've made it like the gorilla warfare that she's been doing with. You Know Oh beating the girls up the Shane's girls up in the locker room at the P. C.. You know and sort of doing things like that and you're seeing that outside of the arena environment it is really well done very clever <hes> because it's super impactful and he gets the point across without having to over emphasize anything Kevin Grimes the Bronson re to move to the finals of the break-up tournament. I don't know that's all I have and then he was in the opening contest calibrates Jason Jackson Reicher <hes> South Match Tyler got the clean win verse farthing but the forgotten sons were not not too happy about the the win they go on to attack him three on one but tyler had a friend and ain't goes back Akyol. No no no. You're saying correctly fawn down go no. He is Fandango. He serious now fungal he serious yes now bond. He showed up in a wife beater and jeans tattoos were out he looked bad ass like this was so so oh good right up until they played his music and then it's like ray the touch Allah after you've just like being beaten beaten somebody up pets they go out on so like cheapened it just a little bit for me because it took you out of that moment where it's like tyler breeze <unk> were standing. There are standing tall and goes looking super fears and bad ass in serious for the first time I think in years ears yeah and you know it's like everybody's super excited than they it. The music and you're like right right. That's his music right so as much as like I love that music I kinda hope they remix it a little bit or he gets a slightly different theme just just to help because if this is going to be the character where he's not so much the dancer anymore he's much more serious than they need for music. He needs different music successfully but I liked this was a great way to bring him back and put these two together then being an in annexed tease perfect. I feel like that's the right environment for both both of them like I. I would hate to say that they don't belong where they were but they didn't fit because I don't think anybody really knew what to do with them. On the main roster here they do <hes> and that and here they have a little bit more leeway in terms of experimentation and being able to do different things so I think overall all this will be a better environment for them so that's an X._t.. So all right everybody sit tight buckle the love because we are leaving wrestling Lynn and we're gonNA take a quick break and when we come back we are talking fortnight. Season Ten is here. y'All and we're GONNA fill you in on everything and we're going to show you what changed in what didn't so you're listening the rock right here on wall. 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It's can this show okay so to kind of set this up because this ties in what we're getting ready to talk to talk about <hes> on Wednesday yesterday yesterday the fortnight trailer for season ten accidentally got relief or got leaked by one by the four-night account in Brazil Zil hoops. Somebody accidentally screwed up posted the wrong video things happen. It is what it is so epic in their wisdom decided. Hey you know there's something we can do about this genie's out the bottle because originally they had just released a teaser for today and when the actual video got released they're like well now that we do so they released the full trailer video high quality version of what happens that gave us basically the reveal of what we're about to show you more or less with a few few surprises thrown in there and so I have the following reactions to you said video courage J._D.. Use Me as a holy Shit. It's happening button negate thirty use me as a holy crap. 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We're a little behind the ball in this one because is like everybody else has been on already showed it. I'm sure everybody's already seen in their probably tired of it but we have to talk about it. 'cause holy crap. There's is a lot going on this season so initial thoughts on season. It's kind of amazing. It's one of those so what we're going to do all we should take the screen here. We're GONNA move this this one over here. Move this on there and I think that in a way to fix it a little uh-huh works amount <hes> so we're here. We're GONNA talk about it. We're GONNA go take you to the new location on the map so everyone can see the brand new location on the map for travelling to island. We <music> No. They're nervous. There are ash there was no there was no damage now so essentially off. This is the new map right here in the center. Not a whole lot changed yet. We're going to get into that a lot of people people. I think we're disappointed because the wall dusty in the factories are Three three more or less with this part of the map so you have dusty often the distance to the north. You've got the factories immediately right under US and so the map is pretty much as it was then now. If you look off to the West we see you know the monster skull goal. They've made it very pretty over. There has a nice little park. That's all nice little colors and pretty much. Everything else on the map is the same nothing changed and I say that people were disappointed because I think a lot of people expected the thing at the late to go off and blow up the map which to be fair it did go off did blow up if we actually go to the lake which we can go to the lake. Thank you for jumping game. I really appreciate that <hes> the thing is actually in the process of blowing up except like the meteor. It's frozen news version Thomas so this is is so it hasn't happened yet so it was like <hes> could the meteor and the thing blowing up Lee to cataclysm at the end of the season we we don't know but one of the interesting things that epic has decided to do this season is make the map ever changing so they hinted at the fact that other pass locations could be coming back but they're not going to be the same as they were and they may not be in the same place that they were but if you watched the battle plas trailer trailer tilted becomes a wild west town so the map itself is going to change but rather than change it all up front or all at the end. They're going to do it throughout the season which is really pretty freaking cool that they're going to do that and I'm kind of excited to see what they do so so like I said people were disappointed because you know not a lot changed. You have the anti gravity zones around the meteor and you have an anti gravity zone around the lake <unk> but that's really all that kind of change you have other little things that will will sh- kind of show you in for an islet friends <hes> when we when we do that but these were the two you like the lake in the meteoric too big changes this this season so far as you can see now under screens trying to fix something <hes> yeah. There's the the big giant explosion. Everything's frozen and <hes> sort of thing we're trapped in time time's not moving right now. We can be going back even further and time either no oh yeah you don't know you just don't know which is really fun because it's like it could go back. We could get the prison back. We could not get the prison back. You know it's we just we don't know and I like that. I like not knowing like I. It's always cool when you come in in the map. It's like ultra changed and you're like Oh my God it's all different a and then you have to relearn it but this is like this keeps you interested because after a while it just kind of gets old and also low gravity with low gravity is just kind of amazing so yeah. This is the big big change to the map dusty <unk> depot has returned the factory old factories have returned and throughout the man as he sort of our our little semblances of the past. There's a spot on the map for flush factory. Yeah there's a spouse map for risky reels. There's a spot on the map for lazy links you so there's a little bit of everything yeah. This is where the vote was save a little bit of everything here and we're going to continue to get more like I said as the season season progresses one of the things I love about the spot is how they made it look like fractured glass in places like the light and everything like that. That's just really neat how they did that wanted. This is actually a really cool spot. One of the cool things the battle pass like there's no real news yet but they're takeoffs of previous skins like this getting. I'm currently wearing is a takeoff of the drift skin this the female version of it since he's wearing. Which one are you wearing technique technique sneak so there's it's a different version of that one and the whole battle pest is full of different variations? There's a new D._J.. Yonder the young Ooh la king is one of the Skins Oh my God. The new yonder skin is lit. Can we just like go through the battle pass. Let's just go through about a pass we can just let's run about relief playground. Go to pass that way. We can show everyone on the screen. What what is by the way speaking without pass creek record second night that aired is then variant is spread? You spread your legs. Uh Hey little wider there. You brought up in chat chat right up. I know that but still you know you've been whoring yourself out for the past two days. Oh yeah okay so we're GONNA go through the battle. Pass as you can see it on your screen right now catalyst the females. Her skin has mentioned. Is this your first in you see all the different variations of it all pretty nice different colors different different things which is really cool <hes> she say there's twelve different stages of it see there's the drift Catherine on your screen right now and so forth and so on with the different color variations in yes as you get lightning effect in the glowing eyes and all that stuff yet from the original draft then you have X. Lord which has eight different variations which is a take off the wrestler and I believer Yeah Yeah. This is a take on wrestler. This is before he becomes wrestler and he's a little bit more intense. He's got a really sick set of outfits and then on top of that he super ripped upped and epic. I have to applaud them based on the the summertime challenges that they did they figured out how to make a shirtless skin and for a guy in successfully cover up the nips so there's no nips on him at all so it's okay for kids and teens because he's not totally shirtless. Everything is covered. You just see you know the six pack APPs and everything else so bravo to them on this because he looks absolutely bad ass shirtless so he looks good too with with the whole outfit but yeah it's like a Mad Max kind of thing going on when the cool things about this bound passes loading screens I mean advertise. These are fan arts all screens. This season are fan arts. Don't know how they got him where they <hes> when for them this fan art all throughout the malpass which is really cool. There's different ravs you get the email cameo he popcorn as the contrails which is cool. You have what's called the different gliders for whatever reason doesn't like going to the last one there jumped bucket so yeah that one different sprays as were were screens so far my favorite email Challah I got I love Trello law so much aw you got the monster final showdown music backs music. You got new pickaxes at some. We're learning screens. You got tilted. The technique has the one Lindsay's been wearing that she has multiple assets multiple colors which are really cool. There's Jaywalking Komo. There's the spray sale. There's a whole bunch of different things. There's a bottle flip for whatever reason because we need it. That's why hi I'm master mix glider. Can we talk about the yonder up far above the under the Yonder rap. Ya'll check this thing out. Just check it out. Look that look at how sick that is. That's pretty cool and his entire set is kind of like that like this. Battle Pass in the beat. Drop contrast really cool yet is like this battle pass is yonder heavy and for the kids bowls was just so cute but then there's Yonder with the three he got an upgrade. Dude is successful now. He's gone gold. He Looks Biffi. He's got the longer coat and then he's got us more firmware with the with the whole shoulder pad thing going on. I mean yonder look sick. y'All yonder looked really sick. You Got O._G.. Music for those who like the O._J.. Stuff that was weird. There's Yonder on mass which which he looks exactly like you would expect him to look and he looks really super cute. Actually they did a nice job modeling pickaxe you got Kevin and I can't wait to get that that's going to be so awesome you've stride and a lot of the emotes reversal all basically all except for one thing yeah. They're all traverse oil which is really need that they've kind of gotten into that. Sparkle supreme is really cool looking like her whole entire Alfred animated. Oh my God it's amazing that she's one of the best ones they did <hes> just because of how the outfit especially like at that Stage three and four <hes> the way that thing animates is ridiculous so you got some contrails then you have the Pixel pilot a glider game right there. I lost my mind at this. It's like Oh my God. It's an eight bit glider that is phenomenal <music> nominal phenomenal. Here's the break the <hes> what's called break pregnant. Apparently that was like the files before it was a different name. They've renamed. Ill so go okay sneaky sneaky celestial contro just cool this is them being trolls the pump thing you can no longer do the double pump plus epic the Internal Voyager <unk> cool with ahead on the stages really cool yeah. It's like it's neat because it goes from like zero zero to <hes> just flaming skull than you have. The miser open later for those who like trashcans. There's there's another dragon. I lost my mind when I saw this as like they actually did that. They gave us a legendary glider in the the battle pass and it's a freaking medal dragon. That looks absolutely sick as hell look at this look at this thing. He is fierce he he's going to kill you in your face and I love him. He shoots the fire. I I have a trio like I'm so happy the about this like he has an axe for tale <hes> he is just ready to lake own your ass. It's so amazing and then there's Lama King Oh my King Oh my God I need that my life so hard and then there's ultimate ultimate ultimate night ultimately so this is a non to all the previous previous nights. He is clearly the ultimate of all the nights he is fierce. He is thick any as two different styles that are multicolored. He has it's the sort of more warned style with his whole battle outfit and then they actually have a secondary style for him. That's a nod back to the previous previous nights that they've done before with the more rounded full shield face helmet is a sore on his leg he he's here to stab people and shoot them and when he's just you don't want to screw with the sued and then and then on top of that he has a really really really awesome looking shield that goes on his back which is his dragon dragon because that's what you do when you have a very scary fierce dragon as a pet and glider. Is You make it into a shield to scare people yeah. That's what you do. That's what you do. That's about the past that's our Bala- passed in review like in subscribe. They did a really great job on the battle pass like they always always do but this one in particular I feel like they kind of up their game on it a little bit because it is ten and you're getting a lot more again again. They went thematic with it and like I said it's yonder heavy but the updates they did to all the skins are so good. They're so so good it makes makes it worth it because it's like they're all animated. They're all slick there well designed and it just yeah good job. Well done epic very well. Hold on give everybody a raise because they deserve it so I think that doesn't I think that does it for us. So we are going to round up the squad Ed because coming up next we're going to do for night with friends and we're actually going to go play the game and there's one or two things that we haven't shown you that. We're GONNA show you on there because there's a whole other different thing I will say. Actually I forgot to say this before I close this up. <hes> there is one thing that they did that. I'm not a super fan of but we're going to have to see how this goes because they actually removed quite a bit of mobility from this this game so the quad crusher is vaulted. The baller is vaulted. The shadow films are vaulted and the content pistol the flint knock is they're all gone. They're all vaulted so and gliders are gone to except for large team oats so for the regular game you have all of that mobility gone. The Volkan events have been closed up the large slip. Screen Stream is gone. You still have the one around tilted in the one around retail slash rush mega that you don't have the giants slipstream around the map so the only way that you have to get around the map is the boards impulses else's okay and everything like that so you just everything like that. We're going to show you the other thing because there's one more item but there's we need. We need a full squad reaction for that. There's a MAC and we're going to probably do what we did before that way. So you stay tuned for four with friends coming up. What's we're dumpling yeah but not a fan of all the mobility that's gone out of the game but we'll see how much much more than put back in as time progresses because I feel like they are going to put up gang because they did add riffs back? 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Kady Porterfield | #036

Real Food Real People

52:17 min | 7 months ago

Kady Porterfield | #036

"It was a heart sinker via just like when the last few mandates came out for Washington state it was just like. Okay and but you feel so helpless to because there is really nothing you can do. This is the real food real people podcasts. A lot of people talk about how farmers are getting older and older and people are aging out of growing food. It's true. But at the same time I've been really encouraged as I've continued on these journeys all over the state with this podcast. To get to know young people, young men and women who are super passionate about growing food and advocating for other people growing food. That's the story this week of our guest Katie Porterfield who's actually originally from California will hear about her story how she ended up in. Washington. How passionate she is how he's a pro she super professional involved in a lot of stuff very smart and successful person and she has a dream for what she wanted to. She's not actually growing food right now herself but she has a dream in a vision and a plan to eventually be there in the same time we. Talk about some of the stuff that's going on with covert right now to what that's meant for fares. Country Fairs are totally about food and no. I'm not talking about the corn dogs and the snow cones and the cotton. Candy talking about the people who raise food and animals and crops, and that's the foundation. Also, we talk about that too because she's very plugged in without world professionally Katie Porterfield is our guest this week I'm dillon han-kook, and this is the real food. Real people podcast. Again, documenting my journeys to get to know the real people behind our food and our food system all over Washington stink. All the things that you could do with your background in education still plugged into farming. Why is that? What draws you to farming and ranching in this world? It's my roots in. It's my passion. It's going to be my forever I can't imagine any other life stuff that's not focused on agriculture and how it's moving forward into the future and what it does for the world and how it impacts the people who benefit from it but also the people who are in it every day it's it's my way of life. It's you know and I'm really proud of it and it's and it's ingrained into me. It's in my blood. So, what it does for the world, what do you mean by that? Feeding the people, and we still have a lot of work to do with. You know an ever-growing population is just gonNA, keep going and going and people are working so hard to find ways that we can make food better and more efficient to get more food out there for the for the world. So like what kind of stuff what what are you seeing in the farming community while you know there's a lot Of from what I see, there's loss of smaller farms which which is bad but there's also a need always to be growing and moving forward and having to keep up with the times and the whole business climate really plays into and ranching, and that needs to be a huge focus that some people some people don't see. It's sometimes it's just looked out as farming or ranching and not look like as a business. So you know there's ups and downs, but you know my belief is there's a place for everything in the world because they support all different avenues of consumers. There's a place for big place for Small Pacer, her place for conventional place for her Kanak, and so on. I think everyone just works well together and and all of them are solutions and it's great that some people can have choices and it's great that we can do it in other ways that are cheaper for those who might not have any choices. So from what I understand about what you do right now, you're just you're like an advocate in in a lot of different senses right talk about. You have multiple roles around the farming community. Yeah, and so my when I got out a college I know before I go back to the family ranch. Some day I really just wanted to focus on advocacy and I found the fair industry was a great way to do that because you're not only educating the next young agriculturalists of tomorrow but you're getting to connect with consumers that come to your fair that are of you know an urban or suburban population or just maybe not on a former ranch, and so they're only interaction they get with agriculture or like livestock is that a fair that could be the only place all year round the picket that. and. So I've created my six years in this profession just created an even bigger passion for for looking at those two avenues of education and working towards that. But in a broader reach like I I help out in still have hands on stuff for other people's Right now and just as a hobby for me, but obviously, I'm not at my family's ranch and so that fills my time and so in the meantime, I'm working in industry associations so that I can help protect that way of life so that when I'm ready to take over or the next generation ready to pass that down to I want to still be there. So I've involve myself in in different Aga- associations across the state and still back home in the state of California as while I try to keep tied in there to. Really. You like forward view like you're thinking about long-term, right? Exactly. It is and that's that's how a lot of actually farmers and ranchers think I feel to them they. Are Proud and have so much attachment to their operation because it's not only the lifestyle but they do want to leave behind a legacy and they do want the next generate they want to see it continue and that's a big thing you know and sometimes also this industry is feeling is doing proper planning to make sure about those steps can take place, but they still care about it. and. You know yeah that's no different for me and so my involvement in industry associations to be a voice and work alongside people that want to protect this way of life and how we operate so that we can feed the growing population in continue to do. So in the best way possible that at means a lot right now during my during my time not in production. Agriculture. So. Your main job is working with the fair what? What's the? What's the name of your like? What's your job title? That's the kid attests yeah leave fair and Events Center like what's the? Yeah. So the the grounds is now called the Kittitas Valley Event Center went through a rebrand a few years ago because we host events all year round based and and not and just community based. So this fairgrounds is widely used in so it keeps us very busy but our main love and biggest event of the year of course is the Kittitas county fair and Ellensburg Rodeo so I have. A really fun time working with both a fair board and the RODEO board to put on those events because the Rodeo just like the fares also in agricultural education type based event in my mind and so You know it's not just entertainment people learn about livestock, go in and watching the Rodeo and they'd get that interaction and understand that lifestyle. So it's fun to be working with those events simultaneously as they're going on every Labor Day weekend But yeah, we I keep busy a my title is the Event Center Director But yes that falls under facility management and the event. Side of things the interim and I'm fair manager. So does it feel like farming sometimes or does it just feel like an office job? Sometimes I probably both right probably a lot more office than I'd like sometimes you know in previous jobs before I got this position a year and a half ago I was the Agriculture Department manager for the central Washington. State Fair and even though I was still doing office work I was just submerged in the sector only which was a ton of fun and for my First career job that was right where I wanted to be right in my passion, and of course, now, being out a little higher level of position I have to encompass everything of the day to day business. But you know I think it could be transferred over to farming ranching still because a lot of farmers and ranchers, you know they love working in the business and doing the farm and ranch work, but sometimes, the paperwork isn't as much desired, but it's still very necessary to be able to be successful and so. It's probably probably made to make sure that I can can keep the office staff. Office work and I slack off on it. So what does it take to make? The, the CATAS- Valley making sure I'm getting this name Kittitas valley that bear well but but the actual big event Labor Day which is like the biggest event annual event in this whole area right? Kittitas county fair fair and Rodeo what goes into that you're working on that all year to make that happen at on. Labor. Day. All Year round both boards meet and. I meet with both of them and you know the planning and the capital what we're what projects were due to better the fairgrounds and preparation. WHAT CHANGES WE WANNA see getting all of you know winter and spring is getting all of the papers renewed for the next year and all of the new information and planning goes into place and then late spring summer we're working. On getting those things ready around all the events that were trying to host and manage at the same time. But you know it's it does you just gotTa. Pace yourself throughout the year and and make the juggle to make this place profitable and and keep it rolling. Make it valuable year round. What's the event like win? It actually happens awesome like what what, what what all there's Rodeo stuff happening. There's animal exhibits would imagine there's the classic like carnival stuff going beyond describe what vendor. Yeah. it's just it's this fairgrounds for one is beautiful. We're in a great spot in Ellensburg and so how the layout is just really fits and you can like when you're walking through the fair side, you can just hear everything going on in the big Rodeo arena and you're almost just to get in there and get a ticket to go watch because it's it's such a good production that the Ellensburg Rodeo puts on and then on the fair side, you just feel so comfortable and there's because there's so much community and you know between walking from vendor row and through the Carnival and then down to the fair food the boosts are just lined. Up easy access and the animal barns, their historic, and so it they have a good feel going around them but they did go into the big pavilion and see all the kids show every year and we have several show rings going at once all around and so it's it's you can feel the competition going the kids on their face and you walk in, you're like Whoa. Okay. You can feel it in the air. It's pretty awesome. Yeah. I, think in this bizarre year of Cova that's one of those things I'm GonNa. Miss the most I'm such a junkie for fair food now that you mention that I'm thinking about it just thinking about deep fried anything. Wonderful it is. But I you know fair food and fair. You know how fares are connected to the production of food two totally different things and I think people don't think about that part of it about how producing food farming stewarding the land how that's all connected to fairs that happen every I think again, people think deep fried stuff and Rodeos and carnivals right. But I think a lot of people forget Kinda, the roots, exactly the whole fair scene and I think. This year with Kovin, has made people realize what the roots of all fares are truly, and that's the agricultral exhibits and the livestock. This has definitely been a year while it's very challenging for our Youth In Four H. AND FFA and other livestock exhibitors. It's also a huge learning year because it's so practical to the to the daily that other farmers and ranchers and production Africa agriculture have to go through you know market ups and downs and not being. Able to sell an animal maybe and you know luckily a lot of people are working on the virtual options so that the kids can still sell their animals and as a product and the communities are being super supportive all across the nation, which is amazing to see especially because. So many of those are small businesses that have also been so hurt from covid people are just amazing but you know this is this is definitely a learning opportunity for. Those young kids and that's what the experience is all about. It's it's learning how to be in production agriculture and that's what you have to take sometimes and being proud of what you do too. Yeah. Not just farming 'cause. Well, it makes you money or even just because produces food one way or the other, but trying to do a great job of it, right? Yeah. That's what I see. Good quality product out there on the market I mean that's That's what I've always preach is that kids need to realize that and it needs to be ingrained in their programs that you're not trying to show an animal with the longest hair. You're trying to show something that somebody can eat and enjoy and needs to have all the qualities all around. It's really important so much history to that too, and it's such a brutal year this year because again, we most of us are going to think about all the entertainment opportunities that are messed love the entertainment value value of affair. But what you're talking about here's the educational value. and has been such a tough year for education with schools and you know how to keep kids occupied and plugged into stuff, and this is another one of those things that has gone away this year. What what what are what are you hearing from some of those kids his family's farm families that normally show that kind of stuff are they pretty heartbroken? Yeah. You know it's it's something that the whole. Community. Looks forward to every year. We all the fair in any community is when the community to come together and celebrate not just agriculture but being a community and Shoghi showing casing even through local entertainment and stuff what the kids are doing in school you know special dance groups like all those things like everyone gets to showcase their stuff at the annual fair and so you know people are losing. All over in different ways and I think people are just sad that we can't come together and in be together during that time at such a tradition and it's used to always be the thing that was the funding to get off the farm and ranch and do you know that was what traditionally it was all about two and so it's definitely been sad for everyone and our hearts are right there. With them, how hard was it to make that call because I know when a lot of these things were canceled it's been some time ago. Now, a lot of stuff was even more up in the air than it is now right and I know politics involved in all kinds of crazy stuff from all of the people I've talked to on all these events and Fairs and Rodeos across the country it's just They have exhausted all options and tried almost everything they can to try to figure out how to put it on and it just comes down to. There's no safe way to do it or the authority isn't there and it adds absolutely one of the hardest decisions to make and you know I'm I'm glad to see a few fares have been lucky to been able to put on event in everything they had to go through in their region to be able to put a safe event on That's great that they got to do that. But I know in some areas. That's just not possible. What was that like when the announcement was made? What did that feel like to you know this is your year yeah. You do events year round, but this is the big showcase. To have that canceled it was a heart sinker. Yeah. It was just like you know you just Kinda. Our decision here was postponed long enough where we thought we would still have a chance and so our hopes were up for a long time and so it it made a sink back even a little bit further when it finally came to the point when the last few mandates came out for Washington state, it was just like. Okay and but you feel so helpless to because there is really nothing you can do. It's just all right. Now we got to change our mindset. What's the best thing we can do to move forward and how do we get these kids to still be able to sell their animal and in showcase what they've been raising all your long and so even though you know we took a minute to be sad but then mindshift focused and we're focused on planning this virtual fair that we're hosting here in a couple a few weeks and so just has to be quick. You got to be ready for change and and make it happen. So it seems like everything else in life has. Happening on zoom now. So I guess you have to figure out how to do affair on zoom right something like that Yeah Zoom Fair. Obviously it's going to be more than that I know yeah. Yeah. Crazy. We'll see how it all turns out. What about the other organizations that you're involved with I know you're you're involved with the Washington cattle women right correct I am I'm currently the president had been president since twenty seventeen and I'm in my second term now that'll end in twenty twenty, one I joined the Counter Women Twenty, fifteen up here for Washington I've apt absolute blast the ladies appear that our members are fantastic and we have so much fun going. Around doing beat promotion events and working with our state beef commission, and the Washington cattlemen's. There's so many great things we get to do and always looking for new ways we can connect with consumers and meet them and show them our face and say, Hey, yeah, we're raising the beef you WanNa put on your plate or maybe you don't WanNa put on your plate but we'll let you know this is who we are anyway you know and there's a lot of that and we you know we tried to immerse ourselves in all kinds of communities and do different things just to just to get the word out there about beef in that women are highly involved just as. Much as the men yeah, I, think that's a stereotype that a lot of people it's interesting people might criticize that but it if they do, it's probably coming from a place of not being aware it's those you know beef operations are family operations like is there any in I'm trying to think any in this state that's not a family operation one way or the other, and it's you know man woman and child everybody in the family who's available in you know it's everybody but the women are just cooking the food for the Brandon's anymore i. mean they are they are in it or running the show now, and so there is a good mix and yeah, the stereotypes are being broken. But you know it's all about olive everyone working together. So that's been fun and then I've also been a part of the Washington young farmers and ranchers committee through the State Farm Bureau I've been county representatives for quite a few years I in Yakima now for Kittitas and I've been the vice chair of the young farmers and ranchers state committee for two years now. So that's been a really fun group I get to I get to work with and dabble in all kinds of industries working in with people, my age, and it's so great to connect and talk about issues that yeah us as young people want to work on so that to make sure. Our operations or future operations are going to be there for us, and so that's where farm bureau plays a really important role I feel like and I see a lot of value there and but just being involved overall in farm bureau, the I've been learning a lot in there so much more to learn as far as like the policy side and different things like that. For Kittitas county just recently was appointed to their county farm bureau board and they graciously made me policy chair. So now I'm I'm really starting I'M GONNA get to learn because I'm GonNa be the one representing us for that in our county. Explain policy like what kind of policies? What are we talking about? So the farm bureau, we as a state every year we come together and review we have a policy book, and that's where we stand on all agricultural policies that when we go to Olympia asking legislators, four things, we're trying to persuade them on bills that are coming up. That's our policy book we follow that that's where we stand and that guides the State Farm Bureau staff and all of the counties on how we are doing that. But every year we get. The chance to amend and revise an odd and so it's a it's a huge process but it keeps the communication going and helps us adapt us things change and how we see the industry moving and so I've I've only been involved in it recently, but it's so far. It's a fun process and I'm learning a lot from it back to stereotypes just thinking about this like again, the stereotype is the farmer or rancher is usually an older man. You're a younger woman. What's that like being in that world? Do you come up against that sometimes? Sometimes yeah. Even you even in this industry I think you know it's it's there's a little bit on both sides that I can see that I'm kind of involved in but overall I also see a lot of support ilise. You know most of most of the older generation are starting to understand and most of them actually get it. There's only there's only a few that maybe. Aren't quite with the Times or don't see all of the positives that can come out of the newer generations maybe but it's actually really encouraging to see I mean, for example, you know just working with not necessarily older man, but you know some older women, cattle women ten. Tend to be mostly older women because a lot of the younger woman are too busy on raising families and they're not really immersing themselves in volunteer activities but you know these women in the cattle women are just outstanding and right away. They accepted me and there was like no stereotypes about age or anything I mean it was just awesome and then they then they put me as their president after only being there two years like are you sure? But they're so sweet and so I know that that that stereotype overall getting to work with the CATTLEMEN's association. You know it's there. It's people realize the stereotype isn't valid anymore. I guess so it's good. It's good to see. So where do you come from? You mentioned back home in California what was that what what you grew up in the farming ranching world? Yeah. So I grew up on a beef cattle and Hay ranch right along the California Oregon border in the Klamath Basin just on the California side of the border little town called doors California's where I went to high school My family's been ranching in that valleys since my grandfather was seventeen and but there is six generations of my family have been cattle ranching. I'm the six actually. So I'm very proud of that and I do want to see seventh come and you know some day I think that's that's really awesome but Yeah little tiny town. You know I graduated with a class of twenty nine and so I I come from really small background but there's tons of farming and ranching back home, and so that's that's where my heart lies for sure is cattle ranching and that way of life and. I call mom and dad almost every day and ask them what's happening on the ranch and try to keep tabs on them. You know just don't WanNa get disconnected. While I'm working on some other career goals. So so what's ranching life lake then like what what did you grow up doing every day on and around the ranch and farm only on so many things You know other than caring for the animals you know but we we learned how to run hey equipment to and all of that but my favorite stuff was you know getting to go to Brandon's and go to GRANDPA's Brandon's and all those kinds of things cattle drives were still they're still thing and those were some of my favorite days and just going and writing the range ground we lease a lot of range ground For our cattle being higher desert climate you need a lot a lot of acres to cover and so lottery adding and I still you now have horses and writing is still heavily involved in my life today and also but you know feeding I have pictures of me on a feed truck when I was like three years old with my dad feeding cows, and some of those are my favorite like childhood pictures and. but you know there's like a whole side of it that I'm now trying to learn that maybe I didn't take advantage of more when I was younger and that was the the paperwork side of it, and my mom's always done such a good job and she just puts nose to the grindstone and that's Always, going out and doing doing the work when you're younger. But some of my teenage years are probably wish I could learn a little bit more from her on that side at the time but you know it's you keep busy. That's for sure and then you know when you start getting involved in four H and then all spring and summer, you're raising your own livestock on top of it and all of that, and when you got bummer calves that don't. You know we. Ll MOMS or or whatnot, and so me and my sister were always in charge of raising the bottle babies and feeding them every day and you know so all the creditors was fun some people you know there's controversy of courses I'm sure you're well aware around beef and raising animals any sort of anwr allegra culture for some people but you talk about things like cattle, drives, and branding and stuff. Some people aren't familiar with how it works. Let's cruel or why do you have to do that? What's your response to that kind of stuff because I know a lot of people are really curious like what is that? Is that kind of stuff necessary is bad. Is it good and they're not sure what to feel about it and it's understandable because when you don't have that background and you see that I can understand where the concerns will lie but if it's done right and properly You know it's definitely the best for the animal in the long run. It's just like anything you know giving vaccinations or anything like that. You know most people we've accented ourselves. We vaccinate our kids. We do things for the health of them in the long run, and what we really try to do is make the stressful time as short a period of possible and as easy on them without causing any pain or anything like that. There is some when. There's some short term stuff, but it's very quick and then they're off and eating back with their mother immediately. So you know, yeah, it does look bad in some cases but really. You know it's done the best way possible in most cases, and there's a there's a new program called Beef Quality Assurance. That's a national program and like eighty percent I think of ranchers are. Gone through that program of completed the certification and that goes through, you know how to properly vaccinate proper vaccination areas and anything as far as handling animals and keeping them as low stress as possible in any situation of moving them or anything like that, and you know cattle, you just gotTa for me. It's about reading their body and their language and every cow is different. You know you gotta be ready but also you know there there tough animals they are built for. Different climates and era and like they can. They can outstand a lot more than what people think and there are a lot bigger and stronger than than US humans and So you know it's it's there's a lot of cows can be really dangerous. But really. It's. It's about finding that working relationship and really working on your stockmanship. I, think it's it's been a big push of my parents with US growing up and I can t continue to see growing in the Industry today, which is amazing. So using a lot of the beef that's produced in this country is produced with those kind of values that that you were raised with. Yes I mean I. Being involved especially with the cattle women in going nationally and being involved with American National Cattleman as well and getting just to see how people are all across the country and the programs that are happening and seeing the stats these cattle are are transitioning in there. They're just so much better off than they were You know thirty years ago the advancements the industry has made or just I'm blown away at how in a short amount of time on all levels we can become better and that we're still working on getting better and finding new ways we push ourselves we don't need regulation to push us because. The things we do and keeping the animals, low stress and handling well, and all of that all adds to the productivity and product that we put in the better product. We have you know the more profitable. So it's very advantageous for ranchers to put those types of programs into place or those those types you know had those skills. Though they'll see it on their bottom line, how how can people know if they can trust the beef that they're buying the store that they're getting at a restaurant that they're eating roy? Is there a way to know? What's because people are more and more concern to how we want to make sure the food that we're consuming is healthy and his ethical. Yes I know that no, no product that's unhealthy at least is going to be put on the shelf ever. You know it's not everything you're going to be able to purchase, and by is GonNa be completely safe for you to eat but as far as if if you believe. In the case. Yeah. Yeah and I saw some stuff at the gas station the other day in a package. Yeah. I I wasn't so sure maybe not gas stations. Create them pills or something that's legal. Didn't I don't know. Man. So but as far as if you really want to know where your meat is coming from I highly suggest you know finding a local source whether it be even regional or anything like that and finding there's so many ranchers and farmers transitioning to being able to sell value added in on a local market, rather than through the large conventional chain through the grocery stores, and so that's that's great because then you get to know the person or farm ranch that's raising your food and So but overall the from what I've seen from the reports that I've that I've heard given at some of these conventions. Stuff that is being raised and put into the grocery stores is becoming better and better and better raised they the beef Quality Assurance Program House ways to actually test and has markers that show how that animal product is has been affected. So and if it's If, it's really bad or something is wrong with it, you will not see it and it won't be sold to you. So if something devastating was to happen to the to the Animal Carcass, what do you see yourself doing in ten, five, ten, twenty years whatever the timeline is for you like it sounds like you eventually see yourself back as a part of the family ranch in California what what do you want that to look like? Well from recent conversations and transition planning with my family, you know the the ranch transition can happen as early as probably in another decade you know fifteen years, but I'm always I've always had the mindset. You just gotTa Kinda see where things are when it comes along You know it's great to have plans but don't plan on them too hard because I'm sure someone up. Above would would change that plan. If you plan to into view were dead set on it, it would get changed for you That's happened a couple times to me so but you know it's I see myself definitely in the fair industry and even when I go back to the family ranch luckily there's your some amazing fares back home to, and in some way I would find. Out How to be involved in in the industry still because the value is there you know on so many levels there's so many positions you can have whether you're fair staff and management or fair board director or just a volunteer superintendent for H leader. There's so many ways you can contribute to the fair industry and make a huge impact So that's always going to be there i. Feel like I'm always going to have the two industries immersed Even if they flip flop, which one is the daily priority. They're both very important to me and I'm realizing I forgot to ask you earlier like talk about your educational background to you. You talked about going to high school class of what what did you say like? Twenty nine, twenty, nine yeah. In sixty four exchange students so. Tiny little school. After high school. So I actually went to the state. University. Of New York at Cobo Skill College of Agriculture and technology. It's a little bit of a mouthful but I went there because I had a passion to also play college sports and so I was looking at d. to indy three schools across the country in there was some there's some good schools. I went back and visited in New York and It turned out that their agricultural business program was really really really good and We'll start out from from kids kids all over the northeast. That's their big powerhouse school back there even though at the smaller school compared to some of our schools out here on the West on the program is about the same as the AG programs. Here in the West, just a smaller school for the rest of the decrees. So you know I, found that really interesting and lucky for me that school wanted me to play two sports for them. Instead of just one I was GONNA ask what we're talking about De tuned. Three sports. Well, what what sport what what's your thing? So I got to play volleyball and basketball for Suny. Cobo Skill Tigers. What what was your? What's your number one? If you were going to do one? What was it going to be? That's what everyone asks me and I couldn't decide I was like I don't know I have to wait for the best opportunity like if I choose one, then I'll end up having to play the other. You know it was just like. Thing, I, Love Them. Both was so blessed to be able to get to play golf and have a awesome experience in college getting my agricultural business degree and it was just like the three legs of the stool were there, and that is where I sat and landed and it was such an amazing experience because I was, of course, the only kid from California almost in the entire college and the only kid from California, in the AG program and so all of my college classes. I got so much engagement because my professors and other students would be asking me my perspective being a California kid in agriculture being so huge in California and all over the West Coast I got to be a huge part of those conversations with just enhanced the learning that much more and so that was a ton of fun and it's I'm glad I'm glad that I got to experience another side of the country to learn how different agriculture is because that just helped me have a better understanding overall. So so what positions did you play? In basketball, I was a center and volleyball. I was an outside my freshman year, and then a middle for the remaining years. So which is always the positions I were and high school as well. So yeah, you still play much. since I've moved to Ellensburg, I used when I was in Yakima used to play volleyball in an adult league all the time, and that was a lot of fun and I continue to play in spokane's who fast largest three three in the world and so that's a lot of fun I was really sad it was canceled this year but I do try to keep playing and So hopefully, I will find more time to to keep going and hopefully once all this cove over in sports can start again I'll be looking forward to that but I'm also learning new hobbies. Learning how to break away rope and so I'm trying to try a new sport, and so that's been a lot of fun to, and you know something as as I h you'll have to learn how to do something different. My Body can already feel all those years hitting the gym floor in basketball or you know something like that. So yeah, and I wasn't a great sports player but I do think about some of the sports stuff that I dabbled in in high school wasn't good enough to play after high school but. Some of the things they did realizing how bad it would hurt. Now if I did not say things took those same hits that I took football or Man It's crazy to think he doesn't hasn't been that many years am I really getting that old yeah can't be that old just hit that stage where I'm like Oh that long ago I was just started realizing that like the last year yeah not fun. So, what's your next move going to be your here? Do you do you want to do this for quite a while yet or you said it could be like a decade or more before you WanNa you WanNa, take over the ranch then in Kennedy head Honcho and take it over from Europe. Do you what about siblings you have siblings? Yeah. Yeah. Actually for the yeah I just had a conversation with my sister last night on the phone and we were. Talking about stuff and We're both looking forward to working together we will. We will have joint ownership of of the family ranch and I know both of us have the same passion and even if we spent our entire childhood fighting. Like no other we're in a place now in our adulthood heard, we're like, okay, you know this is there's a lot of pride here and we will have the same goals in. Yeah will it'll be it'll be a joint it'll be joined effort and but I'm looking forward to it. So we'll see how the time line. At all we'll. We'll probably fight. There will probably be some businesses that don't lineup. But that's typical and not that's how family operations are guess it's a whole nother ballgame. So a lot different than other businesses that's for sure. But. Separate that because he's still want to be family and hopefully friends. But if you're working together at the same time, I, don't think there's an answer for it because what have wives and husbands done for all these years I mean, they still struggle they haven't been able to figure it out the you know they're. A lot of them stay together but they so they figure out that much but it doesn't stop them for fighting about the farm and rich. It's it's just it's sometimes you don't agree and it is it's a challenge to separate your personal and business life when your personal and business life or Your Life Lake. Their ingrained together. There's no separation but that's again probably back to why farmers and ranchers or so passionate and love their lifestyle at the same time because you get to do with your family to, and it's what you love and you can do it together in a lot of other businesses. You know it's you don't get the entire family to to get to work with you. So yeah, it's it's unique. It's double edged sword. And that's been my experience growing up on a family farm as well. There's amazing things about it and they're really hard things about the interpersonal stuff and dealing with conflict even though if you grow up doing. I think unless you really get into some bad habits, you learn how to do that along the way and you're I mean yeah. Like my sister and I you know we have we went to different schools and you know we have different teachings and all of that, and you know but I think there's there's things that I know that could benefit and there's things that she that she knows that could benefit. If we bring those together I think the strengths we have will outweigh a lot of the you know things that we might have to work through but that that'll happen any at any place of business. You know it's just working through those and. And handling the conflict resolution correctly which. When it's family sometimes, it's not that easy but it'll be it'll be good. I've been there I know. Does that make you nervous at all? I know when I've thought and I'm not really in a position to do it right now. But thought about like taking on the family you know taking over continuing on the family farm it's like I seen a lot or most of it but I'm just I. It freaked me out to think what if that's all that all that responsibility on my shoulders could. Oh? Yeah. No, it's. It's definitely something if you start thinking about it too much. You do get nervous and that's one thing reason probably why call my parents every day and that probably drives them absolutely crazy. But unlike I don't want to like slip up and like real I learn a month later you guys are doing something you know. That I had no idea like, how am I going to prepare for that and so it's been it's been important for me to know the business plans moving forward and you know they get they get really busy and just getting everything done because it is a busy life. You have a huge to do list every day and Then you have your, this is late to do. And and so trying to pull that information in stay up to date is is difficult or to try to learn, and so my hope is that I will have the opportunity when we're ready to place a transition that there will actually be you know a time where we can learn and in person and really get a handle on things and so we'll see you. Know we never know what the plan is from from the other wonders of the world, but we just to be be prepared and have the best plan that we can what's been over your years of either being on the farm when you were or connected to on the ranch way from the ranch what's been the most challenging part keeping that whole thing going I mean. Free parents for yourself. You talk about being tough, but you know like. What's it really like when it gets difficult? I think for me is just like understanding all of the processes as far as what has to be done in the background not necessarily like. You know I. It's easy to probably pick up working in the ranch because that's what I grew up doing but learning all the stuff that goes I, know how to run a business but learning all the intricacies that are specific to our ranch and all of the needs and paperwork because the rules in agriculture. So different than like what time handling, Murnau the basic elements but just the overload of of different things that you have to know and filling out the right. Paperwork permits whatever it is taxes all that stuff. You know that's that's what I'm probably most. About 'cause I can't learn that without doing it and it's you know my my mom holds all of that information. So it's like You know how do you slow her down to try to to try to ask her understand? She's amazing at record keeping and bookkeeping, and that's the thing it just so detailed and so trying to try and hopefully. With the records there I can learn quickly but it's learning how to do it right and keep it moving without making a mistake. I think the toughest thing for me the scariest thought is probably making a big mistake that costs the ranch a big dollar hit because that does happen in transitions to so we'll we'll discuss A. Best and work towards that. But you know all those all those stressors are I guess I don't I the toughest thing for me like right now is when there's so much going on and I'm so far away and I can't just go and help during the weekend or something like that. You know there's a million things going wrong every week and you know just just how it is that's normal but but I'm that I'm not there and not there. John just to help. But just to support my parents like emotionally as you know and and just know that they have there in that we're going to be there and you know my sister same thing she lives south. And so it's it's hard for both of us and but we go home and try to visit when we can and in catch up and but being away from family is is really hard for a lot of reasons. So well, the whole idea of me having conversations like we're having here is to kind of re connect people with the people who are growing food that were all eating I am the store what would you say what's what's your message to people who aren't really connected with farming? What do they need to know to kind of bring this whole thing back together you know bring the the different communities back together in sort of a mutual awareness and appreciation in our food system. Yeah. I would say is don't be afraid to reach out and learn about you know people farmers and ranchers may be in your area where you could start the information's out there, and the industry is not putting out false information to like the production side of the industry is is really pretty trustworthy and we we want to give you the right information and show you how we do things and why we do things and You know we want to make that connection to. That we want you to feel comfortable because you know we're eating the same food that we're raising that. We're trying to serve to you too and We're we're definitely not out their goal is not to harm anyone we want to do. What's best for the people of the world and care for our animals along the way and give them the best quality life that they can have until they fulfilled their purpose and and that's what it's all about very cool stuff and and coming from a really cool story I don't know to me someone saying that means so much more when it's from someone like us, you've lived it. You've seen it and not only. Have you been around, but now you advocate for as a professional So that's pretty powerful like yourself to say, and there's so many avenues now on facebook bigger. So many amazing advocates out there that I look up to that are sharing stuff all the time all over facebook and really even if you're not connecting face-to-face with people in person or local people research and try to find advocates online because they're sharing real stories. To and they're readily available to talk to you about issues and they have amazing answers that will that will hopefully Completely you know give you a better understanding of of what you're concerned about an it's just amazing what they do and what they're able to to promote on what they're doing in their everyday lives and I. It's hard to have the time to do all the farming ranching and then get on social. Media and do all of that too. So our older generations have a terrible time doing it because it's it's new and they're used to what they're doing, but the younger generations and are stepping up and they're really good at it. So don't be afraid to find find them and talk to them even through facebook that's what they WANNA do. We want to talk. Yeah. I think our generation in particular is really bad at lying. Like, yeah, we're open books. I. Think in a Lotta ways we're used to being out there. We have have had social media as a part of our lives for quite a while now. And we value authenticity and we want to be understood and we want to share what we're doing because we think it's really cool and we want you to think it's cool to and and know that it's it's all for the for the betterment of everyone. Well, I think what you're doing. Cool. And I really appreciate you doing the podcast. Yes. They'll thank you for having me. This has been a lot of fun. This is the real food, real people, podcasts. These are the stories of the people who grow your food. Okay Katie is somebody we need to keep tabs on right like already done a lot of cool stuff but she has a vision and hearing her passion for what she does and her clarity into the future. What she's going to accomplish really gets me pumped for our future at a time. When we're told Oh, we're supposed to be depressed about our food system and things are bad not necessarily and things are getting better and things can be good and the people the new generations coming in have such passion and drive to to make changes and go in a positive direction. Really awesome to hear and see. Thank you for joining me here on the real. Food Real people podcast I'm Dillon Hongkou P- grew up on a farm in Western. Washington and after years in media I decided I want to share the stories of the people that I grew up around the communities that I still have some connections with and so I'm traveling all over the state to connect with those people get to know New People and share that with you and allow you to be a part of and more connected with our food system. The real people growing our food. I'd really appreciate it. If you followed us on social media on facebook instagram and twitter subscribe to the podcast and check us out on Youtube as well. 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Bobby Morrison | #031

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Bobby Morrison | #031

"Depends on what you're passionate about and what you want your in gold, it'd be with your food and your health, because in the end. That's what it is. Your food is your health. This is the real real people podcast. Welcome back to the podcast lately. We've talked to a lot of people. With meat and beef in particular, producing it here in Washington state, raising beef on ranch land, feeding beef all this kind of stuff, but what about the next step, the person that takes that beef and turns it into something that you and I can buy at the store and Cook up or that? A chef in a restaurant can cook up, so I wanted to talk with one of those people this week. We talk with Bobby Morrison and it turns out. He's so much more than just that he. He is a meat cutter a butcher Adele Fox meets in Everett, but he has a background as a cook and a lifelong passion that you'll hear about for food. Join me as this journey continues. This is the real food. Real people podcast I'm dillon han-kook, and this is all about my journey to get to know the real people behind our food, the farmers, the ranchers, the butchers, the chefs and many more of the people that create the things that we thank you for being here this week. What does a typical day? Look like for you on the job working with food. You work at Dell. Fox means correct. Yeah, in stand Washington it changes day to day, but typically will typically. There's nothing is typically right now. Kovin. Yeah, for sure our business is. Than ever normally this time of year we're slow or like you know maybe out of the cleaned up and out of the shot by three four, but hourly do starting morning like. Normal Eight. This time of year, but right now it's been like seven or six. Yeah, and we and we don't clean up anymore. We gotTA clean up crew. or a guy that comes up in cleans up so then that way we can cut as long as possible right and we are literally. We are cutting from so say Monday morning we start at seven. We'll start know up. Put everything scrap barrels, hooks, lagers trays. Get everything all our museum flaws. Everything set up in place and then Then we'll roll out the beef and start cutting. And, then we have a break ten about twenty minutes and then we'll have another break at noon, and then we'll just have a break at three, but we're cutting beef the whole time and we don't stop until like five fifteen. It could go longer who knows? What else comes up so cutting beef? How hot is that work? What do you start with? Okay, so and just cut show what as the? Every shop is different there. Every shop is different. Everyone cuts different. Everyone has a different theory or just a different method. However you WanNa, put it. No one really cuts. Meet the same. It's unless unless they've been cutting together for really long time. everyone breaks it just a little bit different. You know it's like you can have it. inch different, one way or an inch different another kind of changes, the muscle structure a little bit. But typically the way we do it is we break everything by the half? And then it's quartered on the rail, so you would have what you would call your four quarter on the front, and then the hindquarter on the back that fourth quarter. That's on the front. That's where you get your. We'll go from the bottom from the neck because that's at the bottom. Up to your Rebuy, so you know you get your neck, your brisket shank arm roast Claude Roast. You could get your flat irons and terrace majors out of their over for a little Bell I. Know My voice carries. And then you know, and then you'll get into your chuck. Short ribs then into your plate, and then up into your ribs. There's a couple other cut. You can get out of there, but that's typically that that frontside and then what we'll do is we take it and we'll clean up the skirt and the Nasdaq and just anything that's got some age on it, and then we break it. Between the. The fifth and sixth Rib And then, and then we have it, and then from there we'll end up dropping it onto the saw, and then it splits the the arm in Brisket, and then from there you get your chuck your Claude the way we break. It's pretty basic nothing like you would see in a retail shop It's. Talk About Dell Fox meets. What's so, what is it and what's the the whole vibe of what you're? The whole team is doing there. So what we're doing is we're doing on farm slaughter, bringing it back to the shop, and then process aging it, and then processing it that way along you. Aged beef is typically fourteen days We were really were like right on fourteen days, 'cause we can't go any longer or any shorter because our coolers full, and then what happens if you go shorter than the customer doesn't get very good product, and then we're just so aging determines the quality correct correct, and it also depends on how fat beef is. You know that's your when you get into that it's it's a little bit more delicate because you can't age things longer if you want to, but. Again we don't have time in the space to do something like that for people Some people want a three week hang, we can do it in slower times, but right now got beat up stuff moving. Yeah, we don't have space and so yeah, we go out to the farm. We have a butcher truck which the of the shop runs or is on, he's. He's got A. It's a three man crew, and they go out. They go as far as Canadian border. Okay, and they'll go all the way down to carnation and farther. Okay, that's big territory, they it doesn't you know they'll go out to Friday. Harbor illegal to all the islands would be a lot and so yeah. They'll just and then so they go butcher in. In the field and then bring it back then we'll wait. Wash it or wash it way. Put It in our Chil- Cooler. It sits for twenty four hours in the morning. I'm usually the one they'll take it out rotated. goes into one of one of three colours that we have depending on which ones full in rotation on and then yeah, two weeks and then. Then then we roll them out, and then we start cutting just like I was saying in that exact way you know, we have one guy who will break like saying break that front quarter, and then we have another guy who break the Hindquarter, and then we have myself and another guy and we have another guy filling in right now because we're so busy. But then so then we're just trimming break Cleaning and stuff up make making stakes. briskets reports netting stuff, just making it simple and then Passing it over, and we got two ladies rap. Do Amazing job and we got a guy who makes a hamburger. He's got to keep up with us and he does a great job. Because we you know it's like. We have to keep up with the butcher truck because they can, they can kill faster than we can process right. And so the pace that they said that they keep us at is crazy. Because they'll, they'll kill twenty beef and a day right. They'll make two or three loads out. How many pounds is in the average beef in it varies from anywhere from six, depending on the farmer, and the cows and feed, but it varies from anywhere from six hundred to twelve hundred pounds, and that's finished product to finish hanging weight product. You know we get grass fed cows that are lean as all get out and that you know you honestly wish you could almost add fat to but and then you have some cows. Beef, that's just so fat. You just see it in your hand. Just start to hurt. You know in the fats hard and you just you know you just wishing that. Knife is sharp enough to get through it. Sometimes you know it could be a razor, and it just stops, and it doesn't even could be older to at doesn't help so so you're cutting me all day every day. We did sixty three pigs last week on Tuesday. That's that's another thing I was GONNA ask. We've been talking about beef, but you do pork as well lamb. Lamb and lamb and goats and Alpaca overly and deer and elk and bear. Wow, yeah, yeah, so yeah PAC is about the the craziest thing I guess yeah I. Don't even know if it's crazy, but it's just and eaten. It's not it's good. Like what would you compare it to kind of like mix between beef and lamb? Yeah, yeah, yeah, red meat, real dark! Wasn't you know I forgot what co-? Pieces top Sirloin, but yeah, no was really good of all of all those. What's your FAV- pork? Yeah, yeah, really yeah. A lot of people are just Kinda. Miss on pork. Well because they don't understand the value of pork, and what it brings to just I don't know I. Guess my opinions different because I see it through cooks is. and. Then I get to see it through my butchers. Is I because I started cooking before I even got into this meet world, and it was kind of a kind of planned a little so I, cooked all over Seattle for ten years in eight nine years, and from you know small cafes to catering huge catering's that Nintendo turn to find dining doing you know eight to ten courses. So, what kind of stuff were you making? What was your specialty? I never really. Could say that like I. Could have specialties, but I was so add about my cooking like I. I never cooked the same thing. If I do, it's just like I just always tried to improve it, so it's never I've always had this. You know it's good but I can always make better right mentality. Yeah, and it's just just with life and everything for me. so I'm always looking for ways to improve. But I, really like hearing Bacon really. And and did that start only once you had gone from being a cook to being a butcher. Yeah, yeah, that just explain how that works with. The process of King and curing Bacon, making in curing Bacon so for me. It's everything I like to just be as simple as possible. I don't like to over complicate things so for me. BACON IS PORK belly Fifty fifty salt to brown sugar, really okay, and I just give a nice even cope. Rub on the belly, and then sometimes I'll have it in a container, or I'll put it in a plastic bag and I let it and I and I'll rotate that bag every every day. Every couple of days check check the the moisture levels. Because what you're doing is you're pulling all the moisture out of the fat. And so and you're out of the a little bit of fat, because there's not too much and mostly out of the protein. And so, you're just sanitizing it almost and then. making it so the you know benef-, beneficial bacteria can can grow if you want if you let it, you know because you have to age. If not you just you know it's about five to seven days rotating. You might have to result it once because if you do a little bit more slow salty. Yeah, but then you just gotta add fat and Cook it with other things but. Yeah. I've aged Bacon. Year. Let it get black mold on it really old on it. Yeah, yeah, and I just wipe it off with vinegar. Really Yeah, see all these things that we've been trained for so many years to be scared of when actually they're part of a natural process and I actually I learned this technique from Brandon cheered the farmstead. Meet Smith Go. I was early in my career, but like inbetween like right, when I was getting into butchery or meat cutting. I took a couple of his classes right when he I kinda started up like eight to ten years ago. Something like that and is just I've been just loved ever since, and just the simplicity of it and. You can change the flavors of your Bacon by where you let it sit and just hang out. Like from your countertop to having it in your fridge, just because of the temperature difference or difference, the the smells of your kitchen cooking. That's why. A lot of. You would see like old texter in other old butcher, shops, or anything like that you'll see cured meat hanging above things right, and it's doing that, not only for air and and circulation, but it's also picking up. The the smells of your environment What about smoking? It? That's a choice you could. You could either smoke it. Add add flavor within your smoke woods, or you can just let it hang out after after you rinse your cure off your salt sugar after about five seven days, and then you just kind of let it hang out on the counter. And how long does that go flying? Who feel like really yeah and doesn't have to be refrigerated now. Open Air Yeah and so how long you do that before you slice it typically, you could do it that day. He doing two weeks. Does it better, the longer you wait? Yeah. Yes, depends on how develop flavor. You want to go. Yeah, because I've noticed that. Look the longer you do it. A little bit, you know you get more of that funk. Cheesy Gainey Kinda. I wouldn't say game, but it's more. It's Mormon. cheesiness you know it's just a different PALATABLE MOMMY ISH! Flavor I wanna say it's like something that your tongue in your mouth isn't used to, but at the same time you can't put your finger on it like I've done this and I've taken this bake into like guys trips. And they get pissed off at me because I. Don't bring enough. You know like I. Bring all this mean. Everything steaks and everything, but they just want the Bacon. You can eat it. You can eat it just slicing. Eat it raw like really yeah, and it just because of the air, the circulation Saal sugar, just kind of like pursuit. Oh you know just just slice it real thin. You can kind of see like you could almost see through the fat Yeah, it's cool stuff. So how different is that than the Bacon? You buy in the store? So because you can't do that with Bacon that you buy in the store now know that stuff goes bad. Yeah, it can. The the baking in store to is because it's. It's all pressurized cured, so it's like an even at our shop. We use a tumbler and we can make. We have bacon cured. Enforce you know, and then, and then we let it hang out for a day, and then we smoke it and then like literally Bacon in two days opposed to five to seven Bro and there's no way you could do it you. Could you have have a lot of space to? Store all of it as a cure yet and there'd be no way you could charge the same price. You know more expensive. No one would WANNA buy vacant life would, but they would just scoff at the price. And what about this stuff that you buy at the store? That's like. 'cause people that's are worried about things that go into cured bacon. That's carrying it probably with different stuff than her. Talking about doing correct, it has a a celery, powder or CNS's. I'd probably should do. I should do more research on this and I've always needed to, but I've always just kind of stuck with my salt and sugar. Just 'cause, I, know fashion. Yeah, I know I know what it is you know. Don't get me wrong I. Buy Bacon from the store. I don't know I don't have time to to cure it like I used to. You know because I'm everyone works a lot, but it's you know I like being dad like coming home, being present and and you know not having to be like hold on, let me take five minutes and make this bacon because it doesn't take very long, but it's like it's another. It's another thing that added to my plate. How many kids do you have just one just one five year, old and cheese man? She just keeps me so busy. We're plane horses this morning and You know she had played with me. Dad, play with me. I have a four year old so i. know the and then she just cracks me up. I forgot what she told me this morning, but call me Knucklehead or You know! So, where did you grow up, so I grew up a ellensburg Washington okay. It's kind. It's kind of crazy because. I grew up in a farm town beef town. And I didn't really want anything to do with it. Then like. I just wanted to hang out. Play my sports. Hang out with friends. Ride my bike, but yet now. I wanted nothing to do with farming. What did Your Dad do back in Ellen's no well okay, so my parents actually separated so my dad, I actually got the best of both worlds I thought a as a kid. 'cause my dad always. Always lived over in Seattle Okay and and When my parents split up, my mom moved us over to Ellensburg and the so you know. I got the city life on the weekends, and then during the week I got to hang out. You know in the country and so I always thought that was awesome. Because you know I get to experience at all. Not Most most people don't and and the IT. Allowed me to connect with a lot of people right and in in a lot of different spaces and relate to both sides, and so you know it's definitely helped me out my my career, and my journey and my path on this food passion that I have What did your mom doing spurred? My mom did so she was. She moved over there and she was doing. It was rehabilitation for at risk youth. Okay when she first moved over there, and then she ended up starting your own business as She selling. It was like old Western antiques. So, what did your dad do in Seattle so and my dad, so he worked for Seattle. City light's in as a carpenter. Okay, and so you know. My Dad's always worked with his hands. Yeah, and so I didn't realize I was going to end up working with my hands when I was younger, but I knew probably right around middle school. I wanted to cook really. Yeah. Yeah, but you know it's a new. I wanted to cook, but I never like what. What was it that you were doing at that age? Where you are inspired by that? I don't I can remember actually my cousin, Cook. Cook making scrambled eggs with me when I was younger and that is the memory that's always stuck with me and cooking. Is You know that was my eggs? You know eggs eggs were my first love, and and cooking was scrambled eggs with my cousin. So by the time you were saying high school. What kind of stuff are you cooking? Not a whole lot to be honest, but it still interested. Yeah, it just interested me. It's not like I pursued it or or went to work in a restaurant like my first job was in seventh grade I worked for a logger. You know, and then and then I did that and then once I turn. Worked for him for a long time, and then once I turned, seventeen started working at the Albertson's in town. And you know that was. Did that for? Seventeen eighteen and then I graduated, and as soon as I graduated high school man I was gone. I move right over to my dad's house like. Two days. Garbage sack over my back and I was looking for a job in a restaurant really soon as I graduated. And so, what was that first, Gig, what did you do to be honest? It was in the Mall Auntie Anne's pretzels. I don't know if I've ever really told anyone that. Only my close friends now. It didn't I wasn't there very long? But at the same time it's like it's cool. Because I did that when I was eighteen, and then all of a sudden. You know it's like I've been cooking for awhile went to culinary school at, nor Seattle and worked in a couple of cafes and stuff, and then you know handful years later all of a sudden pretzel bonds and pretzels become huge right like everyone's wanting pretzels and you're like I've done this. Yeah, yeah, it's weird. Man and Mike and People are trying to figure out like in the in the bakery section, Cook in like. Can't get these. Golden Brown as I want and I'm like I can help you. You know yeah, so I'm like. But what is it about the right amount of butter? The right Joe to be honest. It's baking soda water okay. It's just it's just gives it a nice shine. You just kind of brush it on really. Just as you're done, bacon it. And then throw your salt on kidding. Yeah, if it doesn't work, don't hold me accountable. Just because you heard it on podcast unit always. True. Don't have everything year on a yeah, at least try. What. What was the Coolest Restaurant Cook-? Cooking experience that I've ever had yeah. want to say purple. Cafe in Bellevue is really what and and it wasn't so much the restaurant itself, but it was the environment and the other cooks and chefs. I was working with the made. The experience like that restaurant could have been. It's in your restaurant. Could be you know it all depends on WHO's working. And your team because I've worked in a lot of different restaurants, I was one of those guys like I. Change Restaurants every year I I worked. I've worked in I, don't know how many different restaurants is that pretty typical in that business? Yeah, over own. Yeah, because it's you know you're always getting paid the same you know and you know someone might offer you a quarter more. Yeah an hour, so you're like. For tomorrow, I'll take it. I'm out. I'm learning something new. Yeah, and and I work two jobs for awhile. You know a work morning shift somewhere and then I go work night. Shift somewhere you know. How many hours a day then are you putting in sixteen eighteen? For for like a year year and a half. It's intense. I had I had some hospital bills had to pay really. Yeah, what happened? A ended up well, I didn't know if it was from stress or what, but. I ended up getting migraines and my stomach. They called Neuro Cyclic vomiting syndrome. And literally for one period of like three or four years. I, had of really sensitive gut. Really, yeah I would think like. are acid a ended up getting those day? They ended up giving me that like just because I was thrown up so much ended up Yak. I ended up getting my tools irs. Had to take medication for that. So, what were you too much stress and you weren't easier will no, it could have been that you know because drinking a lot of soda and Coffee Yeah you know because working in restaurants you get unlimited soda man. I don't drink pop i. don't drink it anymore. Really, but I used to drink almost like a gallon a day. Like, 'cause you get these thirty two ounce cups own portion cups, but you know it's like all you gotta do is put it up in a window, and someone fills for you. I'm limited. But Yeah so purple cafe in Bellevue is probably the. One of my fun experiences. Working I learned a ton. My chef there. His name is Harry Mills. Guys Amazing just a great team leader, and just knew how to challenge people just to the right amount, just perfect, and and get the best out of him and be able to. Promote such a great work environment like if if I could go work for someone again and he was doing and I would leave my job and I would go work for him in a second. And I could tell you. Hundreds of people that have worked form that would probably say the same thing. Yeah, and then another His name's Kyle Coal He's. Whereas chef, and now he's doing a pizza restaurant I think it Redman the guys wealth of knowledge, and food, and just passion and just. He kinda pointed me in the right directions showed me some dif- different chassis, different techniques taught me about doing the research, and and and looking for the little details that are gonNA make a difference you know just the little things that are gonNA. Make your day that much better, but then are going to make your work even better and tastes that much better. And he might not say it, but you know it's just. It's just the his personality and what he brought to the table every day. He was he was intense. He was fiery. And you know he's couple. Couple of years younger than me and Thirty six. So? But yeah, no, that's awesome team and. Then from there. I went and worked at Google. That was an awesome experience. Yeah doing food. Cooking in their kitchen. We're really. Good Buddy of mine. He got me the job. Oh wait sorry. I got to backtrack. It was I went from. Sorry I went from purple to L. Tura, which is actually was nominated James Beard Best New Restaurant Pacific northwest at first year that I was there. Wow, yeah, and that shift there that guys because amazing. His name's Nathan Nathan Lockwood. He's from this area went down lived in California and worked for a believe the restaurants Aqua-. It was a two or three, Michelin, Star Restaurant, so and I only got to work with him for six months and then We had some family issues. I my wife needed needed to be home more. Yeah so so. I had to take day job. And then that's when I started working for Google working in their kitchens. That was a great experience ton of Freedom Yeah just evolved it that way, and then, and then after that then I I left, and I went into retail butchery, and we're worked in a retail shop and now is my first experience that was at Bill the butcher in Woodinville. So how did you make that transition from cooking to butchery? Because that's, it would be different it is, but it's always kinda been in my plans like back to going back to when I was in high school, and I knew I wanted to cook, I had a friend of mine or my mom's friend, who one day pulled me aside, half drunk said. Where are you going to do when you were wait? Classic Question Yeah, and so I said I wanna Cook and then I. Think and I wanNA. Cut me I want to be a butcher. And she said Will Cook I. Really Don't don't go cut meat I cook I. What was her background that she could give you that advice? She was a a beef and beef sales, so at the time she was. She owned her own business selling beef grass fed beef out a New Zealand. And she had grown up a cattle ranchers daughter, who ended up being a believe. Excuse me head sales for. IBP and marketing at one point I think in the eighties, and then, and then, and then earned the the late eighties, and then mid-nineties kind of broke off and on thing and saw that beef was going more towards a grass-fed. And that was you know mid nineties, but then I didn't get to hang out with her as much 'cause shortly after she passed away, but you know I'm doing exactly what she wanted to do. And the kind of that plan that her and I talked when she was little blitzed, but you know sometimes. That's when the real truth comes out right, yeah! She didn't hold anything back. So you get into butchery I started retail retail. How long do you do and what's the difference between what you're doing now in retail like so big? How much different is that a lot I I? Think it's a lot different. Because different customer base different process. You know it's like you're going from setting up a case of meat out of a box. Box that literally you're just like denuding or trimming fat and being able to make it presentable putting it in a case. You know it's got good. Yeah, you gotTa Make It. Look good, and then from what we're doing now now it's speed being able to debone stuff because you're not when you're working with box, steph. You're not deboning the whole lot Yeah just nice skills in general or a lot different. You're having to use different positions. You're using a lot more leverage on gravity for a lot of things. seeming just cuts. You're working with are a lot different that you don't see in a retail space. What's the most underrated cut of beef that people don't usually buy or think about, but is actually awesome man you. You you've you've people who cut me you guys are the ones who noticed I know, and it's crazy. Okay, so we were talking this off air right? about the difference between the city market I wanNA say and the rural market. Yep is the best way to put it right because you come out to my shop and and like a hanger steak is. Why would you ever eat that gross? You know what's a hanger state like so for me. The hanger steak is a diaphragm muscle. Okay, it's it's a singular muscle that literally hangs inside the cow, and it helps breath right. It's part of your skirt. The skirt steaks and stuff but it's. It's going to be one of the beefier cuts anything on the inside. Going to be have a lot. I won't beefier flavor, so you got your hangar your skirt. Maybe even your flap flank. because. They're kind of more on the interior side, and there's not a whole lot in between the going to like Carne Asada. Yeah, yeah, so your skirt, steak or flap back. It's called a vet is isn't there a lot of stuff that is sold like in the regular grocery store? That's called Carne Asada is. Is, just carney. It's just it's just a style of thin. Cut Me as is like you come, get Carney Asada for us. It's like depending on how you want it. You could get it out of top round. You could get it a chuck. You get rid by so it just depends on WHO's cutting recently? I just cooked on grilled a London Broil. And way better grilled than the old school way of doing it, which always tense overcooked. Of with the broiler on. Grill over charcoal. I've never done that way better never done that. I needed to do that. And I was skeptical, but you know. Read Online? Okay, this person says do it so I, did it. It was awesome, but it really helped me tastes the different flavor of the London Broil. Yeah, that was another cut. That's like at Scott Way more. It's a little bit more of a almost the gamy floor, just and the beefy to be honest with the London Broil the London Broil is actually just a style of cooking and. I don't know, was it? Was it a top around? Yeah, okay, cool 'cause! There's some some places marketed a little bit different like said you know yeah that new. I love cooking is synonymous with that, but. You could do the same thing with like when I was younger. A London Broil for me was flank steak. right like I don't know that's just what my mom did. Yeah, and I didn't know any different until I started cutting meat. Yeah, you know, and it's just like it's in its regional. It's how you grow up, and and if you're not around it, you just you're not exposed to it. You just don't know and it's. It's not your fault. It's just how it is. It's everyone treats cuts differently. a London Broil. It's like when I was working in the retail shop at bill. The butcher rarely sold London broil rarely. Would even someone come in and ask for a London broil because? Like we would take that top, Brown or bottom round even and we will use them for Jerky, or Stew, meat or hamburger. but like we just I don't know it was really weird. We just never but up north. We sell them all time. Yeah, all the time. And then it's like with the going back to steak, flank, steak or the hanger, the skirt Babbitt What's another one Kuu Lot? which is a cap of the top Sirloin like in the city? You've got people wanting those like crazy. And then you come up north that goes into grind right like I had I had a friend of mine. Come up and cut with us, and she worked Her name's Alice she works down in. Mercer Island, but she's moved down to Portland, but she came up and cut with us in her favorite cut is a flap, steak or Bavet. She's cleaning up all nice. I have her making it in Stu me and stuff and she's like really no one actually wants us as the steak and like it's not on our cutting card, and Nope, so really yeah, so we always turn it into Dumi. It's great for STU. Yeah, then the one time that we got a notice to me. I looked at it. She was cleaning up I was like here. There's no stew meat. Like you won't see what we do took maniacal, wet, wet, wet, wet, three pieces, clean off a little bit of fattening through it in the lager. She's like you gotta be kidding me. You are breaking my heart rate. I almost saw a tear. because. He's in the Lug. Or what does that mean goes to grind goes a grind hamburger. Yeah, the hanger steak. Same Thing Yup goes to grind skirt. Steak goes to grind, and she seeing this right because she markets all these cuts all the time, and people just like she can't keep them in her case long enough, really yeah, and then I'm throwing it into grind, and she's just like her. Yeah I can see your heartbreaking. Why are you so passionate about food? Think in all honesty. Because my mom cooked of the living out of it when I was a kid. Like my vegetables I. I will almost eat them raw opposed to cook like it's just barely blanched when I cook it. And and Mike, they say perfect in some restaurants is like you can go to your carrot or your asparagus, and you should be able to cut it with a fork. Right it shouldn't fall like literally it shouldn't smash, but you should be able to kind of have a little bit of force, but be able to cut it with a fork Yep. That's almost to cook for me. You know like I just liked it. Just just barely cooked. Because my mom would, she would take a cannon cooked beans and boil them. And so that. I drove passion to like. There's a different way to do this I guess because that's the only thing I can come up with from looking back and trying to just reflect on on how I got here, right? Because I do that quite often to just kinda. Give myself check points and. See. How I'm doing and and. Yeah, just a lot of what I come back to my wife that same way my wife works in food. Kinda now, but not really because of COVID. What was she doing? She was working at Daniel's Broiler Bellevue serving servants stakes. They cut back because. They haven't been open sense, so they laid off will know they're still all. They're all well. Yeah, yeah, because they're all on unemployment, right? But. They actually start back up tomorrow. My wife actually got her shift back on Sunday so yeah Cova has really done a lot to the food world. Man, it's changed our out. It's the way we do business like. I said at the beginning like we're slammed. We are so busy. It's like fall. It's busier than fall right now like it is. We are doing so much beef pork and people are wanting to fill their freezers more than ever before Zenit. They WanNa Staka. Or is it because they're home and cooking more? That could be at two or they don't trust the food system. They don't trust what's going on like. You know that your podcast you did with cameras. He had A. he has a lot of great things to say about our food system, and what we do here in Washington you know like we live in one of the best food states in the world like it just hands down like our climate everything that's changing a little bit, but in in in the passion that that our farmers and the people producing the food have is is you know can't say it's. It's the best because I haven't been other places, but. All I know is that people that come here are just surprised at just blown away by the products that were able to put out you know, and it's cool because the different. Temperature climates that we get all over the state from the San, Juan Islands to wear at now in Everett to up to Stan. Would up where you're at Linden all the way over to the desert when you go to ellensburg farther over to sunnyside Walla Walla like you know. It's like you got potatoes up north. You got potatoes out east. You got wine. Grapes up. North got wine grapes out east, and it's just like. Are you kidding me right now? You know and then not only that and then you've got all this cider apples and Cherries season is just like more more more more. Say What what don't we have here other than like tropical fruit? I'm trying to what else we don't grow in Washington. State and grow amazingly well and. Coffee, BEANS Coffee beans we grow coffee beans here. We do I. Don't know no I haven't. I haven't seen that, you say what don't we grow? Maybe that's someone's going to do it. It can be done I someone trying to do it. And Wyoming really yeah or Wisconsin wanted to a you just open a whole new can of worms. I'm going to have to Google this now. I'll send you links. Links, because that's just. I'm always researching. I'm always looking to like I said to do something better. Someone who's doing it better. What do you think the people buying food at the store or at a restaurant or wherever need to know about whether food is coming from and like you're talking about how else we are here in. Ask questions don't just assume that the person serving you handing your food knows what they're actually doing. Because to be honest, some people just don't like they just don't educate themselves on it. Yeah, they could be serving. Serving it to you, but that's just their job like you as a consumer. If you care about your food, you should do the research. You shouldn't just act like you care about it or You know just yeah, just asks. Do the research. Crow it yourself? You know it's it's it's not. It's not hard, but it's not easy. Yeah, right, right you just have to put in. The time is all it takes. Time a little bit of research and grow your own food. It's huge and Noah farmer. That's another one is not even if you can't grow your own food, no farmer everyone should know a farmer or have a farmer like the have a mechanic or a dentist or doctor because in the end. That is really what's going to make you healthy. It's it's not it's not going to the doctor and to to have them. Tell you you know you're. You're having issues because you're eating too much sugar. On Canyon I. Well, you know it's like. I have that issue I probably if I go the doctor, they're gonNA. Tell me I. You know I'm probably close diabetes, but it's like 'cause I. I, can't he? But at the same time I know what do I should not eat it as much, but at the same time it's kind of tough sometimes when wife makes a bunch of brownies. And put salt in powdered sugar problem them. And then you got your five year old being like damn, these are so good. We just have a Brownie with me. Trying you okay. What about the there are a lot of trends and fads out there? A lot of people, a lot of a lot of things that people are really worried about with their food. Yeah, those things accurate generally that people worry about or are they kind of I in my experience, at least people are not worried about maybe things that they should be and that all obsession super scared about things that aren't actually bad at all correct. Yeah, no, as I've been your experience knowing Kinda. The back end of the food system. Yeah, yeah, and again it just goes back to edging. Edging Educating Yourself as a consumer, you know it's and this goes when I was working at the retail shop in Woodinville. I was blown away with how much the consumers knew about the product that I was selling compared to even some of the people that I worked with that because they didn't know. And literally I had customers tell them more about the meat. That's in the box then what they knew and and for me it was a real eye-opener to be like I need to know more. You know if I'm selling and I'm talking to someone I. Don't WanNa just. If I'M GONNA, I'm GonNa tell you the truth, it's just it's the way I I've always been. You know I try to be as honest as transparent as possible and and I try to pass it on to my daughter. And so when I just I just tell people educate themselves and I'll do whatever I can't help. Put them in the right position to do that. All answer all the questions, but just kind of looking them up talking to the people raising it. Looking into the people that are processing look into those practices. Looking to where it's from. What's a carbon footprint? A lot of different variables and it depends on what you're passionate about and what? You. Want your in gold it'd be. With with your food in your health, because in the end. That's what it is is your food. Is Your Health General? So the healthier you know and you could say yeah I- healthy, but at the same time it's you know it's. It's all in perspective. You know my wife says we eat really healthy and I'm like. You could eat healthier. She's going to scoff. I mean when she hears this. But at the same time you know it's like we grow a lot of. We grow a good amount of food at our house. We don't have a big pot or anything. But it's like the experience that we get or I get when I can wash my daughter. Come out to the yard. PULL CARROT OUT, or we've been strawberries like crazy like handfuls handfuls a day. And and just that experience is like having her like to a white strawberry and the bidder sourness at has compared to just like one. That's like too far. Right words like fermented were your. That's alcohol. You know, but it looked awesome. Yeah, and so, but it's like being able to experience. That and I'm like to be honest when I was five I didn't experience that. You know so it's I. Don't know it's just bring those food experiences and just. Trying to connect with your food as best as possible, it's like yeah, it's hard to do in the grocery store and everything, but it's convenience. I totally understand convenience shop on the outside of the aisles. Shop in the middle, and you're just to kind of go down. Go down a road that is not the best, but it's not going to kill you. I don't think yet. I. You know I can go off on tangents. Do people need to be worried about their food like living here in Washington state again there again. If you're getting stuff from our state now, not really because. People are worried about that. People are worried about the food and again do your research because the restrictions and guidelines that we have that we have to follow like when we're processing animals like the USDA is really strict. Right like they have. We have a lot of strict rules that we have to follow to make the the meat that we're producing wholesome, and you know safe for people to eat, and and yeah there are bad actors out there and and and people that try to fake the funk, but it's again if You care and there's a reason why these guidelines are in place. You know being able to find people that are transparent. Wanting to show if they hide things, I wouldn't trust them so much. You can't see what's going on. Tough for me to trust you on. That's my thing with food. That's grown farther away and especially in a different country or truck. Yeah, totally. How do I know totally? And you don't know. Enforce exactly like you go in goes to grocery store and box me. It's like you know especially. Yeah, it's it's amazing. What food and food programs can do for the quality of your animals? You know I Buddy over ELLENSBURG cuyler US starting up his business. It's Pacific pm. WBZ's He's got this cool feed program and I haven't got to try beef yet I'm really anxious because he's talked to me, but he does. He's his program is he's using spent? I believe it spent grains from Ironhorse brewery. Kyw over there and he's got this think. Okay might mess this up. Sorry cuyler. Chaff or something it's it's like Duh like like loose. Hey, that they mix in a specific variety I, think and then He's got this other waste product it's. Believes from a bakery. That he that he in with it, and and and he's got this. It's it's all formulated right like. And so then they mix it, and what he says is like the fat is like soft, and how the Hell is he describing? It was almost I. would the way he's describing almost kind of WAG. You 'cause like it's got this soft saturated. Just melt really really quick. And and so for beef doesn't happen very often. Right like it all depends, but sometimes you see it and it's just gross. But sometimes you see it and you're like. Wow, that's really interesting because some. All fat on every beef is different. You know, and so when you get saturated stuff it's it's easier to cut. But sometimes you're just like touching it and you're just like. Wow, this liquid ready. How does that happen through gloves? You know it's just like. How can that clogged arteries? I don't know. Well and it sounds like the scientists evolving on that with with fats to used to be oh, fats are what's clogging your arteries and cholesterol and stuff. Yeah, now they're saying no, it's actually the cholesterol your body produces and had actually is a response to potential eating too much carbs, which told us to eat for a long time. Yeah, and other like no actually fat is maybe not the terrible thing used to tell us that was and. And, so yes, Oh, it's like I've been so busy, but it's I wanna try this beef, and not only that it's from my hometown, and it's a friend of mine, so it's so cool you know I'm meeting friends from I'm getting relationships with all different types of farmers from different backgrounds like yet my buddy cuyler. He knows he knows cameras. He is good friends with him. Who you did on your podcast and then it's like got. small-farm friends that are that are moved from like snohomish down to orbiting, and they're having an everybody. Everybody is having issues getting their animal's processed one hundred percent like whether it be their pigs, lambs beef. So what's the issue? Everyone's busy man just not enough. Now, assessors, you guys. They're Adele Fox to do it, not just processors meat cutters in general doing what I'm doing, and it's not because. It's because hard work with nylon. Pay In the end you know it's. Like, when we work ten hours a day, ten plus twelve and you know what was I golf? My uncle yesterday and he's and I was telling him like all I was a machine cannock. That's not that bad. You're preaching acquire and Mike. Yeah I. Get it, but. You you wake up in your hands are numb and you can't. Button your shirt in the morning. Like and then and then drive to work, and your hands go again. And then when you get on the block, you're starting to cut. You could barely grab a piece of meat with your left hand because Numb, and you can't grip your knife because Numb, and then you have to just shake it off just from using your hands so much all day all day. Flip in! Poland, terron grabbing. You know it's like some I. Feel really good, because I've had time off, but you know it's going to be nice to go back to work on Monday being gone a week. So, but yeah, it's my back. My arms like I feel good now, but last week. Man I was. I body was in bad shape could barely been over never thought of that that being a butcher would be that hard on your body, but it makes sense and I'm standing in one spot for like nine hours like I can feel my ass disappearing. Right yeah, like and then. My hamstrings just so tight, and I've just been trying to stretch them all week long and and you know I got a change shoes like a maybe twice a day once a day, I have a pair of boots and I wear. My roomie is and just go back and forth Yup because you know I gotTa Change My my feeder important. Yeah, so I learned that affects your back to yeah, and I learned that being in restaurant work in sixteen hours. You know it's it's different. 'cause I had I had different shoes on. Then you know a more of an boot now. Kitchen shoes comfortable. Yeah, but at the same time we work with hoses and water all the time. I don't feel like being wet at work. That sucks because it's cold Yep. Sure like yeah. We're out here in eighty degrees, but we're going GONNA cut at forty. Go in the cooler and it's thirty. Twenty Five I. WanNa Freezers Negative Fifteen. So I'm usually in a Hoodie and a button of some sort. Well. Thank you for sharing your story. No problem like all steps that I wouldn't have expected. But as you explain all of it, make sense, journeys this, you know. Yeah, for sure it's Yeah, it's not gonNA stop man. It's just gonNA. Keep going getting better evolving meeting more farmers doing more every day. you know I'm looking always looking for the next step. New Projects yeah. Stay in this meet world awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you appreciate it. This is the real food real people podcasts. These are the stories of the people who grow your food. After that conversation, I really want to try that old school way of curing, Bacon that he described earlier on I should go back and actually write down the steps that he explained and see if I can make it happen. 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Episode 45  Pacific Paranormal

BSP: Believer Skeptic Podcast

49:50 min | 1 year ago

Episode 45 Pacific Paranormal

"If you're easily offended this show, not be for you. But if you're into that weird fun you've come to the right place. You've been warned more. Reporting. It's up to us. I I believe. The skeptic. BSP believers skeptic podcast podcast were too tired. And sick idiots debate. Weird phenomenon threes. I'm Cody I under skeptic. This is your first time listening. We are LGBTQ hot paranormal comedy pad cast while I sound like shit because I've been sick all week at the talent of it. And hopefully, get rid of it because I have a show opening this weekend. Does so send healing Mojo. Because Chris sings an a. And if you don't know that it's high. I actually just got back from Texas like midnight last night for a book of it. So yeah. So this week we have a special guest we have Derek from the podcast rolling ventures. Lou me and have been in him have been talking for what almost two years now, probably like almost as long as I've been podcasting. We've been talking about having him on for for a long time. But I got sidetracked with my own projects. You know, how that goes? So and he's been one of our listeners like since the beginning. So thanks all. Thank you this perfect time to have someone because you can pick up our slat today. So Derek tells a little bit about you. So I used to do these sometimes podcasts. That's actually how I got my start just recently probably about nine months ago. I started doing rolling misadventures, which is a tabletop improv audio drama with focus more on the audio drama. Pretty cool. How many people are on there? So we have myself and my two co hosts as the main crew have Charles from he's one of the cofounders Noko FM northern Colorado internet radio station slash podcasting network as well as making danger from Ono lit class. And then we bring on guests all the time so anywhere from three to five people total this fantastic. And you actually have a really nice podcasting voice. I'm just noticing this. I'm like, I could just listen to this and go to sleep. I know now that is extra. I mean, it's like it's like nice that was meant to be a compliment. Appreciate hey. So in darker throwing around ideas for bit and since dark is located in Washington where in Kent, correct? It used to be I actually moved a little bit more south. I'm now in Tacoma. Oh, okay. Okay. Cool. And so we decided to do some research into critter creatures crypt heads of the Pacific northwest paranormal that are not big foot. Because all you need is another podcast talking about Bigfoot. Right. So I need to change my story real quick. So as always same format, but since we do have a guest in lieu of BS weekly. We'll have a game that I created this time which I am a bit nervous about that. On me last minute. All the time. Stakes are high number was going to be like it'll be cool to compare games. But my last time was pretty damn lame fun to say shoebox or cheaper cover. So with that drinks or Derek you have a drink. Right. I do. All right. What did you? What do you have? I picked up the yeti imperial stout. That's a really good kidding. Guess what? I picked up. Amazing. I guess we've done it. I was wondering why Chris at letting him talk 'cause he was like yeti guess what? I got. Well, it's related to sasquatch yeti is usually the abominable snowman. But it looks like big foot on there. So yes, it does. So and I'm not drinking at least for the next three weeks for the show. This is by it's yours. It's yours. Lord. So do you do you like stout stare? I do normally I'll either go for a stout. A reporter less of an IEP guy. Oh. Beer twins. Disgusting. So I'll have to tell a quick story about our beer's because I almost shoplifted today. Because because I was I was at the store, and I had grabbed like water and some snag lectures to eat, and I was going to pick up a wine, and I texted Chris, and I was like, oh, wait I need to get one. Because if Derek has one I wouldn't need to and so he was like no you don't need to Derek's going to. And that was like, okay, I'm good, and it sort of walking out of the store because in my head was like if I don't need a wine, I can just leave 'cause I've done and I never paid for anything. And I made it to the door and was about to leave when I literally went that turned back to the. All right. So let's should we get into history yet. Cheers. Cheers. Oh, you actually were able to open it. I broke a wine bottle a couple of weeks ago. Oh, jeez. All right. So history was a lot more difficult this week because I didn't want to exactly give a history lesson on the Pacific northwest. And let's be real would probably got a lot of it wrong. Anyhow. So as many people know the Pacific northwest, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, small part of Canada, Alaska and California every state just the tire west coast. Prior to the vision of white people in abundance of Americans lived in the area for thousands of years. Just WP. The hashtag have is white tag white people ruined everything. True. Well, I'm assuming with your last name Italian yet. Maybe yes, I thought so some fairly fairly removed. Great. So he's totally white. We ruined everything anyways. So before the Beijing native Americans are native or indigenous people lived in the area for thousands of years, including such tribes as the cling Tillamook, and some so much many more colonization happened around the seventeen hundreds in the European settlers brought with him wonderful gifts such as smallpox, wiping out, a large part of the native Americans, and of course, claiming the land as their own that being said, the Pacific northwest is steeped in a lot of legends and stories that come to reckless from the indigenous people. Of course, one of the most well known being sasquatch, even one of the stories that I'm talking about today has roots in native indigenous, spirituality mythology the sasquatch comes from native American. All. Yeah. There's talk in cave paintings and really their history. Yeah. Yeah. There's all sorts of eight especially if you look at the bait of American indigenous peoples totems and stuff that actually ties in a little bit with the crypto that I'm covering really. Wow, I trying to say native Americans, but there's part of Canada. That's why going back to indigenous because Canada's not in America. North america. That's true. Oh, good. Okay. Although we won't touch on sasquatch, Dan our stories. It is needless to say that he is significant significant krypton or it is a significant crypt in the Pacific northwest gender identify. We don't want to do. That's what gender. What I read one of the prominent figures of the indigenous people the Pacific north west is that of the raven which I found interesting on the raven for the most part is known as a trickster, but depending on the community it can symbolize creation, transformation knowledge, prestige, the complexity of nature, the subtlety of truth, and the unknown. What? So Derek you already knew this about the raven. Yeah, we see a lot of birds and that kinda gets into mine a little bit by if you look at a lot of the totems or paintings that you would have with any native art. You will see a lot of birds. So this is kind of common knowledge again. Oh, wow. That's cool. Yeah. So many also see the raven as a helper to the creator believing that the raven holds messages from the creator in its wings only to be released to those who need to hear it. As one can assume stories vary from tribe to tribe. One thing that is unique to the indigenous people of the Pacific northwest as dark spoke. Because the totem pole. The totem poles are made from large trees in which figures are carved the carvings tell stories of their own they're usually a representation of or commemoration of ancestors, cultural beliefs clan. Lydia j has or notable events. Totem poles are very complex, and that it is hard to decipher the meetings and figures unless you are the one who made it or a part of the tribe that it was created for since they are made of trees and the lay in the rainy climate decays inevitable as a result few totems that were carved before the nineteen hundred survive today for the most part they can survive sixty to eighty years after European colonization eighteen hundreds to the early nineteen hundreds practice of indigenous religion was outlawed which included carving. Totem poles outlining gosh. Gosh. And then in the late nineteen thirties revival of the tradition became prominent, cultural linguistic, artistic and scholarly interest. There are six basic types of totem poles. There's the house frontal poles the house post mortuary polls memorial polls, walk them polls. And the shame or ridicule poll for the stripper pole. Go dance on the. Also because specific purpose I will get into that here because it would take me like an hour to describe each one already felt at least. So needless to say, the Pacific northwest is a part of the part of the world that is steeped in beautiful culture, where many of the stories that today come from even some of the ones we will talk about as well. So so every time you say that like my history is get a sock. It always ends up being really interesting. The last thing I did because I had no idea to go about it. So. Jeev anything you wanted to add to that. Now. I think he covered a lot of eight and what's really interesting about the different totem poles in the art that is tied to it. A lot of the time you'll see that around the Seattle area specifically being right on the water and specifically with pike place market. I know there's a lot of stories about different tribal spirits than walking around the market. You will see tons of native Arthur as well with various vendors as well as just historical pictures of the place. That's so cool. So right in Seattle. You'll see stuff. Yep. Unbelievable. Oh, wow. That's so cool. Let's neat house the beer. It's stout. It's good. But Barry's doubt. It's it's a bit heavy. There's no to drink this whole thing because I'm gonna be wasted. Taste like one of those ones that has like oh ten percent alcohol. Jeez. You'll be hammered that whole. Starting off. Yes. Okay. So story number one. And you'll know why pick this synergy here. The title I'm going to be talking about mel's hole. So this is auto biographical. Cody's whole bottomless pit budget trash was thrown. Actually what I'm talking about. But it's actually mills Foale. And as soon as I read that and even though he didn't even know what it was about. But just the ten and there was only one paragraph of information. And I was like I don't care. I will go. We'll scour the internet for years to find enough to talk about to talk about mel's hole and ended up finding a lot. It's so funny that I actually had just recently heard about this like maybe two weeks ago. I had never heard about it before that. Oh, really? Yeah. Do that's like synchronicity sometimes something will happen. Then. Right. Then you hear about it or whatever. So hopefully, I can add a little information that you haven't heard Derek. And if you wanna throw anything in just let me know, right? All right. Okay. It all started on February twenty first nineteen ninety seven when a man identifying himself as Melle mel's hole as Mel waters of that Ellensburg area. Have you ever heard of the L Ellensburg? Yep. Yeah. It's a city. T's see I'm going to kill myself on the geography, it's basically eastern Washington. Okay. Okay. We'll so. So this guy Mel he appears on coast to coast with art bell, a nationally syndicated AM talkshow rest in peace. Art bill. That is. Yeah. He died recently. Really? That is oh coast to coast part paranormal radio show. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. A little radio shows. I guess it was pretty big it's huge waters in a lengthy conversation with bell by phone talked about a mysterious hole in the ground on his rural property about nine miles west of Ellensburg. So supposedly, this is what he says he says the federal government agents seized the land with no explanation as to whether the whole was a threat or national security issue or both or whatever water said that the cover story that the government gave him was that it was just an old site of downed aircraft. But it was so significant that they supposedly forced him off his land, and they paid him two hundred and fifty thousand dollars off of his lead. But there was one condition. He had to leave the country. What's yet? So they're were basically like you're leaving not gonna deal with this. So he moved to Australia. He said, and so that's kind of where he lived with a paid him to to abandon his whole. So why all the time? Like, what is what is the deal with his poll? Well, water said that the whole head paranormal properties just like mine, despite the fact that locals dumped their garbage there for years. So basically, it was crash and yet people were just throwing garbage and shit in there. But whenever they asked him on the show. He said that I he said he indicated that he was acquainted with central Washington University where his wife worked for a time. And I was like what does anything, but he was just trying to give himself credibility to be like, hey know, someone in a university. That means I'm for real. To he claimed that the whole was greater than eighty thousand feet deep kind of like you so. All right. So, but that's over fifteen miles was seen. He said he tied fishing line together in time waits to it and set their into started lower into the hole, and he lowered it more than fifteen miles and never hit earth. That's eighty thousand feet. So it's essentially holes crater to hell. And so in some people are kind of likening the whole to hell. Well waters began performing other tests to try to understand what the hell was going on. Well, he said that whenever he would yell directly into the pit. He would hear silence instead of an echo. And this is crazy when he brought a hand held radio near the whole it would play music from the past say that he would hear old radio stations or old music from stations that didn't exist anymore whenever he would bring the radio by their. That's crazy. Yeah. He also said that he saw a black beam coming from the whole just Chris's AM. AM Shane if he would lower metal it would change it into other substances. And I don't have a lot of other details because we're gonna get into animals because this is kind of a more interesting for me. So supposedly animals hated this whole, and they did their best to stay away from it even said that his dogs would refuse to go near it. If you try to drag them when did their claws or pause into the ground in protest birds would avoid flying over it, and no small animals ever went near it. So it was like we'll make why are they doing? This freaking out will one thing is maybe it's because the whole has the ability to bring animals back from the dead. It's like pet cemetery cemetery whole during the interview wall waters claimed that one of his neighbors dogs passed away and his neighbor through the dog in the whole to get rid of it. And then later they saw the dog running around still wearing its caller sometimes dead is better. And they also said that the dog was transparent and talked in Spanish. The dog. I made that part. Oh, damn. Yeah. But so or maybe animals hated it because of this. This is crazy curious waters, tranquilized sheep because it wouldn't go near the whole voluntarily and he lowered it a bit into the whole. He said when he hosted it back up it appeared to have been cooked from the inside even stranger was that something appear to be moving inside of it. And when he cut it open. He saw something that he said resembled a fetal seal with human eyes staring back at him freaked out and through the creature back into the whole. So you can kind of guess that waters was the talk of this radio station number for. Yes. He actually called back against several times on February twenty fourth again at two thousand and twice in two thousand two and the show over the years rebroadcast the segments as part of the best of our bell to going to that. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds really cool. And most recently Seattle's KOMO. Komo almost homo TV station broadcast a segment about the mystery surrounding it. And a man this ties into, you know, the indigenous or native American people a man who went by the name red elk who described himself as an intertribal medicine man told reporters in two thousand twelve that his father showed him his whole. In nineteen started the whole in nineteen sixty one in claims that he'd been there many times dej to take him there all the time. But the US government he said maintained top secret base there where quote unquote alien activity occurs. That's insane. So bad is the insanity around mel's hole. What do you think? It's still there today. I'll get into this in my debunk. Okay. Yeah. That's that's sounds crazy. Especially the sheep thing. That is insane. Yeah. So I guess I got this one mixed up with another one because there is a you got your holes mixed up. I got the whole stop. Supposedly, there's another whole similar to that where people were throwing their garbage into and the garbage would sometimes be thrown back at them. So I thought it was that story an environmentalist hippie living in. Recycle this one. But anything else happened in that? Or is it really just the traffic? That's mainly just it. Yeah. It's just the trash, so I didn't know points. Other one. Vomits out the trash the trash bag. That's insane. That's why it was in reading this. We have the talk about this. Because what the hell is happening. That's a true hellhole. Okay. With that Darren so mine is a little bit shorter. But I am covering The Thunderbird Thunderbird. Yes. So The Thunderbird is a large Wiegand animal typically around fifteen feet wide with its wingspan. There's been spotted across the United States. So it's not just specific to my area. My Nick of the woods, but I've got a little bit of theory that will cut it bring it back. Oh, cool. So the stories from native American tribes are indigenous people residing near mount Saint Helen's, which is just south of where I am and spirit lake specifically described HI bird of legend. It's been said that the earthquakes that occurred in the area were caused by The Thunderbird that was rolling over in its sleep within the mountain and that the lake would then begin to bubble when the was angry. Oh, oddly enough though over eighty miles north in the Olympic mountains. So that would be a west of where I am about. Out three hour drive or so that a another tribe stated that they too had a larger than life bird in their nickel woods. As the story goes that tribe was starving due to a large orca whale that had been eating all of the fish from the area. Oh, yeah. So as the chiefdom then turned to the great spirit for aid. They then summoned eight Thunderbird who ended up returning to the village with that whale in its claws feed the village before it eventually flew off to Mount Olympus in that area to rest in solitude. And there's been stories of other mountain climbers and excursions climbing that mountain trying to find, you know, some sort of evidence of this bird. But every time they would start to get close to where it supposedly was they would have avalanches or rocks falling things like that. So no one has ever been able to get to it. So there is a mount of limps up there. Yeah. There is. Yeah. Timmy Olympic mountains because the capitalist Olympia. Yep. Is it a notable mountain? You know, I'm not huge on mountain climbing and stuff like that. So I'm not totally positive like most people know mount rainier out Saint Helen's, obviously because of its Cannock activity, but I the whole area there is the Olympic national forest. So it wouldn't surprise me to have a Mount Olympus. They're cool. Awesome. I'm looking up right now. One other thing to know of the Thunderbirds is it's been said by some tribes that with most sightings having happened. They were at the front of thunderstorms that would pass through the area, which is how they've gotten their names. Oh, cool. Now, while most people would claim that these were just stories being passed along generations. There actually seems to be some more modern takes on the creature as I had mentioned with it being spotted across the country. In nineteen forty eight. Specifically there were three men in overland illinois's who had spotted what they thought was an approaching airplane until they realized that as it was getting closer the wings of it were actually flappy with an estimated with the creature being an estimated five hundred feet overhead and casting a shadow over them. That's more than fifteen feet. So getting back to the west coast specifically or the Pacific northwest. There happened other notable signings that have included a two thousand to report from Alaska stating that multiple residents spotting a large bird like creature with the wingspan of over fourteen feet, which actually prompted an episode of destination truth to visit Monaco tack in two thousand nine to search for it. Even weirder. If that most recently as of January twenty eighteen there has been a sighting as late as January twenty eighteen of a large Blackbird with the size of a plane in Juneau, Alaska. That's. It's insane massive so type back in the Pacific northwest. I started mapping out kind of the areas that these major sightings had looked at. And which really interesting is that while there is no evidence being shown for such a large bird in the area. You can actually look from out Saint Helen's to the Olympic mountains to the two spots in Alaska, and it almost looks like it hit stuck along the coast. So you actually do that thing where you got the string like a do. I just use Photoshop with the map. We can get a copy of that. Yeah. Oh, mock it up again, cool. But yes, so my theory is you know, if this bird had gone to live in solitude on Mount Olympus with so many people coming to bother it. Maybe it just keeps trying to find those desolate areas where you can have some privacy. That's crazy. Does a believer skeptic thing? It sounds kind of similar to from our business bet squats. Maybe a little more believable. Yes. So funny like the different size ranges because it goes from fourteen feet to basically the size of an agenda like a plane. So people are seeing some some crazy different sizes. And that could just be the perspective of it. Flying ahead. You don't you're not really sure how far away it is very true. And how many people can look up and be like that's fourteen feet. So I believe her skeptic. I'll do it did. Because I wanted to know if you believe in this into what extent, but we can do that. Awesome. So I've actually heard the word bird. You've mentioned it. But I didn't know what it was. I've heard I've heard them Thala G. But that's really cool. And I didn't know that it was so recent. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't either and with Thunderbirds. I mean, we actually have a local hockey team. That is the Seattle Thunderbirds. So oh, it is very tied into the culture. Oh, so did you know about this? Then like is it kind of well known there, even without before this podcast, just bits and pieces like reading into it. And researching later kind of brought it all together like as Chris mentioned with the totem Pole's. You'll see a lot of the time they are topped with a Thunderbird. So I've always kind of known about it. But not really the details. So it's another prominent figure in the native or indigenous culture. Yeah. Yeah. That's really cool. I'm GD zero five three I confuse clone without any pants. I'm James not a cop. Who is definitely not a cop biased book. Terrible Victorian ACTA. I'm action. Six news. Reporter check Cleveland. I'm star of the stage Helen slain, and I've Lieutenant starves cheese it taco Bill Esquire the third and this is rolling misadventures a podcast. It's part tabletop real play part, improvised audio drama and complete and total fiasco, join us every two weeks for stories of mayhem. Indications. Check your ruling misadventures and see how it all goes wrong at rolling misadventures dot com or wherever you get your podcasts. Dick beat. All right. Chris. I have third. Yeah. So initially had told Derek to I was going to do a story on a monster known as white death. But I literally death, but I literally white people. But I literally find two paragraphs about the things. So instead, I went with cryptic known as Ogle pogo pogo. Yeah. I said it really gate get pogo. Oga pogo is a seat creature akin to the Loch Ness monster. The name is closely associated with the indigenous legend of Nighthawk, oh, which can be loosely translated from the digits, sailors language, as spirit of the lake Oga pogo has been reported to live in a con- again. Like is that correct? I'd have to the spelling of it. I'll I think I'll go with the Konta gun. Like in British Columbia, Canada, the lake itself is quite massive in that it is eighty four miles long around three miles wide with an average depth of two hundred and forty nine feet owes massive sighting of Ogle pogo goes back as far as the seventeen hundreds by the indigenous people of Canada pogo is said to be a cease open that reaches from forty to fifty feet long. And if set to resemble anything they say it resembles the now extinct best Lasorda's or Mosasaurus Moses source. Yeah. Those seen the creature have described it as being dark multi humped with green black Brown or gray skin. Having a head that resembles snake sheep horse seal or some say an elevator. Put together or different people saw every different animals. Yeah. It's kind of all over the place. Just see a dead animal floating in the water. And that's the. That sounds like all different kinds of Ziba. Some say it also has horns or e or years. It said that oh, go pogo is the most likely invest documented of all lake monsters, according to the digits legend Oga pogo would demand a life sacrifice from travelers for safe travel across Loch Okinawan, and therefore many of the people if they had to venture into the lake they would be chickens or other small animals to drop into the lake to ensure they had a safe journey. It said the legend was extra referring to literal lake Munster, but rather a water spirit, which then developed into the story of the physically formed legend of Ohka pogo. I found a website that timeline number of the sightings of the creature. But only go through a few here. The first recorded non indigenous citing goes back to eighteen seventy three when an author by the name of Susan Ellison. Describe seeing a snake like creature which closely resembled that of the local indigenous water demon in nineteen forty seven number of people boating on Okinawa lake creature one of the witnesses describe what they saw as having a long sinuous body thirty feet link consisting about five hundred relations apparently separate from each other by about two feet. Having a forked tail in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight group of about twenty people were crossing the bridge from the lake to to Colona a movement is seen in the lake. They all stop to see what it was all of the people saw what looked like a head with three black humps behind portraying out of the water. The creature swam for shortwhile then disappeared beneath the surface of the water sightings have been continuous through the years, and as recent as of August and September of twenty teen three different sightings or made with an few weeks time, both video and pictures exist of these most recent encounters, so take a look of that unlike you can easily find those. Oga pogo factor fiction. It is really hard to say, but with so much documentation in so many witnesses. That is also very hard to dispute its credibility. Did you look at the pictures and were they like the congress look at this black blur. It's obviously Ohka pogo. Yeah. They're all pretty much like that. There's nothing that you can look at the debts like released credible. There's a reason video that I guess had been like restabilize in kind of remastered. I wanna see the video from around. Think of two thousand four thousand five but yeah, it's very much like any Loch Ness monster sighting. Where it's kind of a shaky camera. You can make out like a black outline of humps. But no actual details. I see. So bad. Yeah. But there's this one it looks like a dolphins headed it's blurry. Literally just looks like ET is kind of floating on the waters. That's just that could be anything that could be a branch. So so Derek you do about this then. Yup. Yeah. Not a whole lot of cultures tied in with. Oh, go pogo at least kind of in our area of the Pacific northwest. Very well could be more prominent in Canada as it is in British Colombia. I believe so not a whole lot tied into it. But anybody who has really any interest in the crypt side of paranormal stuff has heard that story. Yeah. I never heard of that ova pogo fun. Yeah. That's so funny. So you have another story. Yeah. Yeah. And I know I know he said we're discussing crypt in creatures of the Pacific northwest. But my story was too good. To to not talk about this one is the urban legend known as the canon beach. Bandage been that comes to us for the state of Oregon. The urban legend has existed in the Oregon area for over seventy years. The legend goes couple is giving into the hormonal tendencies all they were part just outside of cannon beach or. They're getting on. They were getting down with it. Get to move which was not due to their own. The couple, of course, freaked out looked outside but could see nothing at first then suddenly to yellow eyes appeared in two hands wrapped in rotting digits came out and started shaking the car the meta outside the car, then begin to beat on the rear window of the truck that only begin to move even more violently. The driver got his keys, and of course, sped away from the spot looking back. The only found that the Benjamin had disappeared legend says that the bandaged man was lumberjack who got into some freak accident. The resulted in him being covered in the bandages, eventually, succumbing to the injuries and dying other legend say that the man was burned fiercely, and it was bandaged up on the way to the hospital. The ambulance got in accident. But when the wreck was being cleaned up. The Benjamin was nowhere to be found. God it said of the bandaged man is is a phantom of men completely wrapped in bandages smells of rotting flesh. And we'll jump on vehicles passing through. Coastal highway. Oh my God. Sometimes it has said that he even breaks windows or leaves behind bits of bloody or follow smelling. Ben. Said he will remain latched onto the vehicle until it reaches the ten of cannon beach. Sometimes abandonment will kill dogs and cats, and of course, it has been speculated his also killed humans. No one really knows where the legend comes from. But to d- people in the area of cannon beach know, the story of the Benjamin oh my God. I've never heard of that one. No. That is such a fun prayed to play difference, though, is just leave a piece of bloody bandage Novak seed wrong. You could really mess with someone or just dress up. That's creepy cooler legend. I would I like better the idea of bondage, man. It's a whole different legend. Unbelievable imagined looking and just seeing someone like that covered in bandages like a mummy mummy. So that believers skeptic believer skeptics since I've done to arrive think skeptics gophers Derrick Derrick of the stuff that we've talked about. What did you do you believe in any of this not really like I'm an open minded skeptic when it comes to anything paranormal. I have to have some sort of physical evidence like whether it be actual video footage or seeing it myself. And even then I don't know if I would believe it. But a lot of these stories when we really look into specifically with Thunderbird is that it's probably just a weird perspective of you might have seen a large bird. Like if you go into the history of Lewis and Clark reaching Cape disappointment, they supposedly had shot a large bird that none of them had ever seen before and different tribes had cut attracted up to being Thunderbird. But. Ultimately based on the descriptions that they gave is that. It was probably either a California Condor or a specific water-based hawk while an ostrich. Work flooding or co because I like because some of those condors can get pretty huge. And if you saw that flapping overhead. Oh, yeah. They say the different with GIS that have looked into it actually say that the California Condor is probably the most likely culprit considering they can migrate along the west coast, and they typically have a large wingspan of around nine feet. Insane. Huge. You mentioned getting attacked by one of those. That's like that's like your car. Time a little car. Yeah. About as big as I expand. That's crazy. Well, that's really that's. That's that's that's actually a good depot. Yeah. So what it so let me ask you about the most famous one the squad. Do you believe in that not really, no? I mean, there's been tons of video footage suppose, what parents that have been cast and ultimately found to be false and really as we've gotten to expand all of our technological reach with everything, then we'd be way more evidence with how many people are going out and camping in the woods with just the growth in population in the area that we would have way more proof than a video from nineteen ninety-five feel like I'm talking into a mirror. So much. Cool. So I'm actually from depot I'm going specifically just mel's hole because I did it. I'm going I'm going diving into Mils. I didn't know what you'll stories. We're going to be naturally. But I bet some kind of interesting stuff, first and foremost checks by local news reporters found that that meltwaters doesn't exist. What? Yeah. That person does not exist in that county anywhere about an extra million. Why we worked not in Australia, the guy, basically didn't exist. And so you might think will maybe he changed his name. But you would think that one he would have indicated that the from what I read he never did. Like, he actually said that this is who I am. You know what I mean? So on the show he said his Mel water does. Yeah. Just making up an well. That's that's that'd be super easy. But from what I gather, and I didn't see any physical like actual written proof. That sounds like he was he never made any indication that it was a made up name like that. He was basically saying this is who I am this the whole and everything trying to be genuine, but it didn't exist, but it could have been so we're actually going to move onto the whole itself. So this is just some fun facts and trivia that deepest mine shaft in the world was twelve thousand six hundred feet deep and the deepest known cavern was seven thousand one hundred eighty eight feet the Russians drilled of the the deepest borehole called the coal hole. That went down forty thousand feet in nineteen eighty nine and it took them almost twenty years to do it. So that is deep, but somehow mel's hole is twice as deep. Also, the Chola hall was abandoned in nineteen Ninety-two when drillers encountered higher than expected temperatures three hundred and fifty six degrees Fahrenheit. Height that heat wreaks havoc on a quick and the higher the heat the more liquid the environment in the harder to maintain the bore said, you know, people who are experts in this veggies. And it's like trying to keep a pit in the center of a pot of hot soup in nineteen ninety German. Scientists began the German continental deep drilling program in Bavaria. The researchers pass through seismic plates in encounter temperatures, highs six hundred degrees Fahrenheit, they managed to get about six miles before they ran a funds. So if you think about it, this guy doesn't know his physics because think about that heat. Six hundred degrees is melting their equipment of ruining everything yet somehow his fishing line with a weight tied to the end of it and goes down twice as deep without burning or anything happening to it down in the ground or the sheep being lowered down being cooked and having that thing happened to the rope or anything like that. Exactly, exactly. Like somehow. Piece of string is immune where metal in sheep at all this shit is not. So I wanted to do an experiment where I kind of a place of fishing line like in Hilo oven just to kind of see what had melt nylon? That's what I think we know the answer because I also read articles about people who replaced their fishing line just because they left it out in the sun because I've it home rental. Yeah. Okay. So actually, that's that's what I'm going to save for this. Actually, I will finish up saying that no one has ever found the whole just going to ask you, I should that. I had the whole little section dedicated to about it when we get into too much because the bottom line is no could find it. They reached out to that read out guy gave him an expedition of thirty people. And he's that been there several times it's nineteen sixty one and he was unable to find it. So we have thirty people has all this proof of his dad. He's been there many times and even with an expedition. Oh, I don't know where it's at. So. Could have just shown them. This cavernous garbage pit and said, this is it he likes out into the woods shovel dig before. But yeah. So there's there's no proof of this thing exists. And it's a fun story. I thought it was real me too. So I take it. Neither one of y'all believed in that before I even said anything that sounded legit not not until. Work. Believer while between the two stories I discussed today, can you guess which I think is real the bandaged man is a cool story, but like any other urban legend has more morality tone, telling teens not to have sex near the beach or maybe even warning about the dangers of the lumber industry. That being said, I think oh, go pogo is pretty real. There's just been too many witnesses to say, otherwise, not only that there's a lot of documentation that I find convincing for a believer anyways skeptic like YouTube, the pictures were so compelling. In my research. I did find that an excavation was done of the area to see if anything could be found to no avail. But that doesn't make it any less real. I've said this a million times and probably once twice on our episodes that the ocean is a vast massive unknown knowing the size of Okanagan lake. I feel the same way it just way too big to really discern. If there's something some unknown creature beneath the surface, of course, until there's concrete evidence. No, one can save for sure who or what it is perhaps it's more common than we think or perhaps just related to an animal long gone or better yet, perhaps it's a new creature altogether that we have yet to discover all I know is that with over two hundred years worth of sightings. There is something that lies beneath Okinawa lake. Short to the point. Yeah. But I actually did not think that you were going to believe in any of that thought I believe in the bandaged, man. Man. No. I don't know. I think. Yeah. I think there's a messy. So that you believe in and if you think about it too because is essentially three dimensions. There's so much more surface area where something potentially hide, you know. Oh, and especially with like, I think it was about a year ago. They found a new species of jellyfish that they had never seen and in the Pacific Ocean. So when it comes to large bodies of waters, I would be more apt to believe that there is something with Oko pogo being a lake I'm a little bit more skeptic just because having something contained meaning that there if there is one of them, it's not reproducing and it's living over two hundred years, then it kind of shakes that belief for me. I'm sure thousands of people visit the sleigh to and so there's a bridge over us. I mean, the contrive over. There's like a sonar submarine for station on the leg. They still never seen it though. I like that. Yeah. All right. So now we have our game. So as you all know whenever we have guess we like to play a fun little game. Since our squad is probably one of the most famous crypt of the Pacific northwest last week. We talked about bet squash and Minnesota also out of the Pacific northwest. I thought I would put together game called bat squats or sasquatch. I will have five obscure characteristics and you'll have to answer whether it's bat squat or sasquatch. Did you hear the vet squash? Minnesota I did. Yeah. Because it was insanity. Number one. The creature is said to have the ability to have an effect on car engines that would be squad. Yes. You are. Right. Surprise because these are random the ones I picked like really obscures. So over half of all Americans believe that this creature is alive. And well, and we have just not found found come across it yet. Well, considering that up until doing research for this. I didn't know about the bat squat the answer would have to be sasquatch. Yes. You are. So scientific. Number three, almost every culture has a story about this type of creature. Probably sasquatch the -solutely good this gag number four sightings of this creature become more prominent following the nineteen eighty option of mount Saint Helens that would be squat. I do. Oh. That so going just tight back real quick to The Thunderbird. There is some theories that with that eruption is The Thunderbird escaping from only Helen's that's a cool theory. That's really cool. So some people think that bat skate or Thunderbird escaped so bad Thunderbird. We're just friends hanging out. They got an a fight. And that's what caused the. Number five this creature was officially put on the endangered species list in Russia. Germany and France van sasquatch. Yes, wild not even in the Pacific northwest. Nope. Russia. Germany and France. Okay. This is crazy Dirk won five for five. We'll send you we'll send you some stickers or something sent you stickers. Not the new ones I still have the old ones up on the board behind. Oh, yeah. Some new ones. So awesome. So yeah. So thanks for joining us and taking time out of mother's day today too. Yeah. Thanks for having me. I know we talked about it for a while. So I was glad I was able to come on up -solutely. So actually, I actually like or perspective on everything because he's a skeptic like. Yeah. Sounds smarter than me. It's the fact that I wrote it like a week ago, and I've just been tweaking it leading to it all. It's all in front of the beer. So tell everybody where they can find you and such. Yeah, you can find my show rolling misadventures. It is a table top podcast meets improv audio drama with a lean towards the audio drama with things like backing sound backing music. Sound Foley, the whole nine we keep Oliver episodes to or sorry, Oliver story arcs to to episodes. So you're able to hop in and out without worrying about a bunch of back story and with that we also have between different setting. So we've done a Victorian era playhouse, we've done a superhero story. We've done a gay soap opera cowboy spaghetti western. That was just completely bizarre. It's all over the place. It's a whole lot of fine. And you can find it at rolling misadventures dot com. Yeah. Really, really cool. So us you can find us Bs pod, Phoenix dot com or on anything Twitter Facebook, and he pond cancer by searching. Punt PA checks, or if you have any stories or what to get in contact with us. You can reach us at BIA's pod. Paychecks at G dot com in my novels, the gay teens guide to defeating siren as always available actually guest hosted on a podcast called the tipsy nerds where we talk about my book and some other stuff. So if you want if you're a reader at their fulfill tune into that one too that and yet cool, thanks for tuning in. And that's it everyone.

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1496: Increase Happiness by Removing this One Thing From Your Life AND Why Smiling is Good For You by Ellen Burgan

Optimal Living Daily

09:06 min | 1 year ago

1496: Increase Happiness by Removing this One Thing From Your Life AND Why Smiling is Good For You by Ellen Burgan

"This is optimal living daily episode. Fourteen ninety six increase happiness by removing this one thing from your life and why smiling is good for you both by Ellen. Bergen of if it brings you joy dot com and we're very own personal narrator. Justin Mellick reading to you from some amazing blogs and books tell you optimize your life. Topics topics include personal development. Productivity minimalism mostly and some of the authors feature here with their permission includes then habits mark and Angel The minimalists lists and more and before you the boasts. It's a new year. The perfect opportunity to take your business to the next level by hiring the right people. Finding qualified candidates can be challenging ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash. Old makes it easy. ZIPRECRUITER sends your job to over one hundred of the Web's leading job boards. 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Bergen of if it brings you joy dot com even if it feels awkward and even if a smile doesn't depict your current mood smile right now give it a try and just smile whether your smile is genuine or fake research shows. Smiling is good for you because it can increase your happy factor in even reduce you stress. Sound crazier may be too easy to be true. Take ten seconds out of your life and smile while you continue listening really right now. Okay keep listening tonight. Smiling can improve your mood. Facial expressions clearly convey our mood but did you know facial expressions can also influence our mood even even fake smiles can improve our mood smiling frequently whether genuine or fake can trigger brain into producing more positive rather than negative thoughts. According to Sean Acor the author of happiness advantage making smiling daily habit can retrain our brain to have more positive thinking patterns rather than negative ones which which ultimately creates a happiness loop. 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Episode 62: New Years Bitches!

Jeather's Random Stuff

35:25 min | 1 year ago

Episode 62: New Years Bitches!

"Do we have to keep me happy new year. Everybody Happy New Year. Hey Hey Jacoby and together we make a random stuff. Plus yes patrol and not stock act knocked out in Kansas and cat. That's almost went to wine club party tonight. Yes she did she would knock it off the car. She was a trunk or not. The trunk of the car and Kobe kept telling me as we were backing out of the driveway. That cat and this would jump off. She did not like Oh shelter and I had them remove all right so I stopped like okay. Can you just go get her off please. Yep and that's exactly how this went down cat. This is going with the wine club party. He would've stayed on there the whole way. Yeah and then we went out to carrier eared. They were going sixty over the bridge or something so that wouldn't have been good for her little Stinger. She so fucking cute. I hope everybody had an awesome New Year's. You're on your way on your New Year's resolutions. Yeah you should've started them by now so you can quit next week. I'm sure everyone has quit smoking. They're down ten pounds average money. Super like exercise. Stayed in your buff now right so in a while I am. Yeah Hey it only takes a couple of days right just you know. Think it and become in anything everything. What are you doing to my cat? She has gab on her head ticket. I wasn't going to pick it up. I'm going to see how big this thing is. Just make sure it's not a tick off left and right here. Okay come into you now touch you. That's not a tick. That's a scab. Okay that's fine okay. I had a cat. I got a tic on her head one all they are friends they are so sweet. Cat just loves him but she tolerates him you guys are like Aw. Aw She's like I don't beat the crap out of him like all the other cats do so I was like I never really loved his mommy. Look she's going back to you. She always does so. Does anybody have any new year's resolution. I do you do you. y'All yeah I always do okay. A New Year's resolution number one is to finalize the will one hundred percent okay to be actually legal. So don't have just the written one that you have to find in my house. After I die yes I wanted to be actually illegal notarized in in there because now I actually have guardians for every animal in my house. And I'm I'm ready to rock to the guardians or on this podcast radio. Hey Look my teeth yeah. He's good at that now. You just had his teeth cleaned last week. That makes you feel better. Your only resolution. No what's the other one. Oh God of what's the other one I have a few. I don't have any F why that was my main one is get back bat down. There was another thing along the lines of that to get done as well so lowers the will. Oh I need to get life insurance locked down a little better okay. I need more money. Everybody needs that. Yeah I have to have more money if he dies because what he what we have locked up right now is not enough not enough to sustain your lifestyle l.. Now I need to say no. I don't WanNA survive. I WANNA sustain the lifestyle. That's all I'll is so that needs to be upped and any better because I eat like a fucking saint. Yeah I drink on fish and that's all I don't know I think it was honestly I was going to. I can't say I want to be more fit because I don't want to work out more than I do. You know what that's pretty good though. If you can't think of anything that you want to do to improve yourself that means you're probably pretty good. I'm pretty good. I mean the other ones I have is for the animals and I can't do that by myself uh-huh I would like them all to get along. Well that's not gonNA nominally that's not gonNA happen meaningfully Merlot and the cats no so you know I listen to our podcast from last New Year's okay now what birth or New Year's resolutions from that so we didn't really have a lot of resolutions. We had a lot of Steffi wanted to do so well and I'm in La some of it out here explain why we never crap basically all of the stuff for this year we wanted to do involve going somewhere. So could we achieve any of it. No Thuc so good. What about the lodge when you guys? I don't even think that we mentioned I knew that was happening. And so so the first thing we were going to do and that there's reasons why this didn't happen okay. So the first thing that we wanted to do is we're going to go to Florida. Oh see our other friend Aaron and go to Disneyworld. Well while she he moved back she moved back. So she's not. There's nobody in Florida for us doesn't count unless you wanted to go see Cammie I do want to show me And because so go to go see Cami and Disneyworld. Yeah drink wine from around the world but I just I wanNA drink around the world that they have this place called Epcot. What's center where you allowed to drink? Drink around the world rink around the world I want to do it really cool. I mean is neal you'll de Imagine we're now seeing off your ass. I know spike dream dream fucking country and then goofy or Mickey have to help us to our car. Hey and we'll have to have shirts. We were going to get for the Disney Marathon said if found on ground non-pleased drag across the finish line. The hotel room found on ground. So we didn't do that. 'cause Aaron with back the other thing we said we're going to do it was you're GonNa go to Jersey and see Marla Merlo move back move back to also and not just never happened. We're going to go see MARLA in January. We're going to go see her in January. We don't have to fly across the entire country wheel drive an hour and a half to drive an hour and a half now to Ellensburg Berg a lot closer towards Z.. Jerk 'cause they're GONNA Jersey and go to New York and go to Broadway plays and see Alexander Hamilton's grave ORLA and it's not as fun now. ELLENSBURG Are Not Ellsberg meet as New York. Whatever way we have mics meat and ELLENSBURG? What makes me Mike's made need? What do you mean or isn't maybe not mike meet what's up? It's Mike Smith Okay. It's not makes me something else Watson Ellsberg it's a meat store sanctuary in north thinking ecclesial. Babe Fuck was close enough. No what is that place called. It's what's it called something meets. It's a meat place that you can buy yards of pepperoni yard. Yeah meet no bill McKinley as me know what's it called. I don't have my phone. I know what I have my phone. What I'M GONNA eat shop yellow Google this shit you ready for this? You know they have a Vending machine okay. Bye shopco to have their meat. Oh ends meet. It's always is is them in Cleland in. Oh thank your right. Oh it's mates before that. Yes you did. Good Ole Owen Day and they also have other stuff soup mixes and like you're all mixes Mexico. So they don't have a lot aww chicken. Nobody wants chicken. They want the Pepperoni the beef pepperoni stick by the yard. They want state go. Hey gimme five yards a pepperoni man. They give shit out and they give the two in a bag that you just have to haul with a wagon and you just you just chew on it all the way to Seattle just chew on their Pepperoni Five Years Pepperoni me but all the way to Seattle. That's perfect. That's always doll visualizing coaching pepperoni. Yeah yeah hours. Yeah then you go to the Mariner game while you go to the parking lot at the mariner game and get totally shit faced drunk and then go to the mariners and then and get a bucket of or a helmet full of knock off the Korean blanket and come up with the listening listening. Guess what dirty blanket is still around. But it's been washed multiple times. I guess what it is the base of the blankets and in that cupboard car it needs to be in the car now. It's on a blanket. No because I knew you would use it. You washed it so now I would use. It really wasn't on a fucking dirty floor of fucking stadium. They were with a family of kids. It was on the floor the same floor. You're eating Nachos off it's so good Nachos all the why would I wrapped myself in a blanket from their familiar. Eat off of him and I don't know I'm surprised you took peanut butter from a homeless person. So and we're bringing that you took uh-huh I gave alcoholic exchange for it. Let them drink out of your drink of her eating a peanut butter sandwich and she kobe. He's trying to say they're homeless. They had a band. They had a van Aaron Aban. That's homeless homeless. No it's not homeless. They're on a road trip from Boston. They were not they had nowhere to go. You ate her. Peanut butter should have anything delicious. I was so hungry hungry and she had this peanut butter and we were visiting and she offered her peanut butter. Oh that's I would love that. What do you want to drink? Drink my drink. While you're peanut butter and drink drinkable. I eight or pay. Hey with Bluetooth. She had all her teeth. Oh Oh good. I'm a picture of it. Yeah there's there's a picture of me I wanna see that with the Van Lady. She calls her a homeless chick which not homeless. She has a van. That's homeless homeless living in your car. That's considered homeless does -partment back in Jersey or something if you had like a motor home. That would be different but it was like a crappy old van. You know there was like five to tell you that night. That peanut butter was the best fucking of our hat. Because I was so hungry. You're starring I was so hungry I needed it and we were so drunk. I think that was bad. We like couldn't even winker away back to the house so we knew we had some friends staying at the hotel downtown and so we went our like. Hey safe call area or here and guess what they didn't call like made us leave you know. They called her like there's no answer I'm like well. What Room is she? And we're just GONNA up there like we can't tell you that they're like man pippa violation and we give information. It seems so we've been drinking. Luckily the whole place is crawling with people so we ended up find Lori. Yeah who gave us a ride back. Who is Kobe's childhood? Best friend Larry King is right back to where saying she was so excited to give us a right back. I'll get us out of her house. Where are you staying? Where like Like over there somewhere. We don't import Megan and thor. We're looking for US Ah Good no no no no way no have to be more careful we have been ever since then we have been. We know that we can't trust people to watch Megan or a case or has thorndale drinking too much to and then he got drunk in front of Megan the drunk thor and the sober Megan. We're looking for her mom and her second mom. Oh around seaside confined us and then they both were in a heap crying on the ground. Oh biggest crime because there was drunk and couldn't help her in the forest cry because he was drunk. We've ended up here though the next day will. Yeah I got up so fucking waist. We're so hung over about we. Promise here we go to the enchanted for and we went to the forest all over with thorns driving in the morning that we both want to throw walk like I took over but we promised we promised we go and we all had a good time. We spent the entire day writing on rides with co searchers searchers. So and I bought her everything she wanted so she felt better by three mom. She wasn't good but at the end of that day is day three. She was good with us. She's still torturing is a little bit on day two because I bought her a lot of stuff there too she brings she brings incident luckily for me she lives in bringing up. Did you see my allan errands lap. I know time on time the the purring kitty loves my thighs every so. Do we have any trips planned for like this coming year. Twenty twenty where mccaw. You're going to call the call. The call ninety going to McCall going I think going to McCall. My my boss doesn't cancel my plans wait. Patrols ongoing the McCall. No you're not he could go. I don't know if he can go. I don't think he can go but I is scrapbooking the whole week and they're on pets allowed. It'd be like really nice to have him. You need to figure out what we're doing for Heather's away by the way Lord wants to be involved and you want to plan with you too. He said he just wants to plant doubt. It's thorough so he fucking socks. I love you baby but plans shit very well. What that like? What's your preference or call us? I just want all together. This is a biggie. The big deal. I really just all be together okay. That's my main thing I would. I'd love it if it's something that can include patrol with. But he doesn't have to be okay if it's something else I can just find someone to watch if we were to go somewhere for like a a week. Didn't you do have someone that's GonNa be there. My sister will be home that week. Okay I have to watch the animals a couple of weeks before that they go to Disneyland. Okay but then. She said she will be home. The week of our birthday. Okay so she can watch my animals during that time. If I need to and I'm gone for a whole week she can watch them for sure. Okay she owes me own me so I don't know how who are we inviting. Who's it's all going mainly us three in her family's K.? Who Else I mean? I wanted to be small. I think think small fine I do love Kathy and Robin yes I do love them. So if it's something big enough and they will be there to go. Yeah so we'd have to kind of know who all going It doesn't matter how big or small it is. I I want my core people there. There's more they're fantastic. If there's not I get it now. People have line. I can't be the center of everyone's lives. It's like I think I am. You can't be on your birthday. You get to be the center. You get to be the center forties huge too. I know it's big big. It's a big big deal especially when you look like you're twenty. I know like that. What do you like your what twenty-something these things said that I didn't think I was twenty one twenty one card her? She's not even twenty one of my life. I'm like look at this face. It's never seen Sun. That's why it's no sun on this little baby. Cute guy he was. He was the entire time we were there. He was yeah oh he was yeah. He's a Vietnam vet pilot. talked a bit league so he gets extra pours for that he does he shows yeah. I'm sure it is. I always thought about the military never ever did I never ever because I like the whole coaching gene thing. I know that's like a coaching thing with the drill. Sergeant thing but then there was this thing of them telling me what to do and I have to listen. You have to do it. They say you have to. I didn't WanNa do that unless I could. Just be the one in charge right but you have to go through that to be the person insurance and I want to do that. I just wanted to be the person you are bad. Ask hard ass surgeon I like. Yes ma'am he's maybe twenty. Okay do twenty that. I can't even do you do those. Twenty me sitting on you brother went fully into the military. He went right into the into the navy after high school. But I never wanted to do any like like. I know that that was not for me. No no it's just like there's no fucking way I knew I wouldn't do vary a guy in the military. I knew that it's like one one of the first three questions questions. Are you hunt or fish number one question. Do you kill animals number two number number two. Do you have a job make good money. Basically number three was the one we just talked about the military. Do you want to be in the military. Because I don't want a military man. Sorry I don't want to move around everywhere. No one know if he's going to be dead or not. I'd prefer even though he's always for the most part of life unless Dr Damn Pass for bind that have a husband in the military monetary. I can see that about you. Yeah fine with them. Yeah I could see that you being okay with The way the way I am. I'm not okay with that. You'd think I would be with being on four or five days over time. You think I'd just be okay with months. I don't think well not. All of them are gone like that. I don't think there would have been gone like that. Yeah Yeah I think they would give him a desk job. You're you get to clean the train now. I think patrolling could have been like the best military dog in the world really. Yeah he would have been so supportive he would have been right there in their poon. Look tune whatever that's screen latrine right. There begging for all their food and keeping company me at light rain is the bathroom. Oh no you're not going to be there. He's going to be where the food is Tall Mess Hall. He'll be right there and then he'd be there in their little barracks. Yeah Yeah Yeah cuddling with them like in Mash now. Yeah that's what he'd be doing as for sniffing out the bombs and shit. No He's not doing that you know. He's he's shown running for the hills. There's a bomb more rain like an emotional support. Animal Animal. See what we're doing. He's like passed out. He's passed out cold but where is he passed out. He's your legs curled up. He's a key he's my baby. Loves them now. This this is not a bomb sniffing all right all right what our goals for next year mind deny will a well life life insurance fortieth birthday. Oh my birthday. That's huge guys. So we gotta get any ideas just email email us at random stuff yahoo DOT YAHOO DOT COM. Yeah do that day and has to be big Scuba Diving Roy. Anything with water sounds fantastic emerging in water anything of that nature if between shark diving actually shirts. Okay stragglers so I want the Mama Shirk Baby Shark Baby Baby Short big twenty three to thirty foot short seriously though we do need to get together and talk about mentioning launch at I was like do you gotta play on this Tali. Me does not think a lunch date to talk about that because he was gay. Got Your phone numbers from me. And I was like hearing a Kobe's as he didn't have yours he had Jason's have them text me and I was all me. We'll meet up. We'll have live. Finally I was like. Do you want me to set this up. He's like no. No no no no you should not I. I don't want you in and I was like. Oh right then really hard for me. Let go of that. I know because I'm fight is over to your house. And then you can go for a walk with the dogs. We can play pinball and plan yes the pinball play I e Yeah pinballs fantastic. You'RE GONNA Wind Koby. I know I'm totally Out of that happening guys like not keeping up with me at all. You were the one that the leader at the party. I know I now look. I poured him equal. Look could you guys have all that library gone out like what the fuck was going on. What is going on? Why talk we know what's going on what we both have a half hour drive? Yeah you guys do very slow tomorrow Saturday and tomorrow sanity for you guys not for me. All right yeah. It's drunken Mexican. Santa Drunken Mexicans. I think he's drunk when he goes. I think he has a little nasty like peeps out. Once I don't blame him one bit. For God's aww he hits on everybody's like seems drunk. Oh my gosh. Don't even kidding so I wore my Mrs Claus outfit now last year the year before that guy. I couldn't stay out of my fucking skirt the whole time because like aw Mrs Claus where you been my whole life and like dude remarried Arshad five with the song for the kids. We've been married for Meghan. Don't touch me there Bad Santa Ana below the boobs Santa. Oh Oh my God yeah. He's like he's funny. And he's a very short Santa Hispanic Center. Yeah energy goes low bell through our hallway a Greek patients. This whole they say that. Sound horrible allergy there all day tomorrow. Yes aren't cookies all day. donuts cookies and juice that I come over there tomorrow. Lalli alley as Lee. Are you freaking kidding. Me What did you what you just drunk. Santa I'm not bringing her to drunk Santa Dan. I'm going to take your two pipes to me good Santa ever better cinemas bad hits on everybody. Ah He just said he was drunk and he hits on everyone. I'm calling Oh let me see you on nice boy you. I'm calling bad Santa. He's not as bad as bad. Santa though uh-huh nothing's worse than bad Santa. Have you seen that movie. God love. That movie is pretty bad. Pretty bad. What's what's his name Billy Bob and then there's in what Bernie Mac in there too? Oh yeah before. He passed away bless his little soul. This is funny soil so if anyone anyone has new year's resolutions or an idea of what to do with Heather for four zero and she saw the three of us never once mentioned losing weight. You know it's fucking done. It's I don't even give a shit anymore. You know what it is what uh I would love to weigh one fifty five. Oh me too. That's my target goal as well. It's harder one. Eight is my goal. All it's fucking number ten pounds. Yeah you can do it you can wear. It's yeah yeah I mean. I get a little bit of weight little muffin happening. I have a little often towns little site that I could totally you know what I'm willing to lose my boobs. Those about forty pounds. I would totally losing weight. My boobs I would too I would too for my waistline. It'd be a little bit how I would do it. Yeah Yeah I was barely AAC up for so many years. I'm not losing my fucking boobs. Aw You know how much better look enclosed these boobs. You have awesome boobs though. Because they didn't come 'til I was in my mid twenties twenties interesting. Get them later way later. I'm an across them for a while. They're Nice. I missed COPAYS boobs time. Women does our Longtime Jeff is written right across your day as right a call holiday spirit baby a wine and there she has boobs. Jeff Jeff into your sister's boobs now life wait surveys. That's amazing booze. It's not just me. Kobe show the SCHICK. Yeah Aw Look at that do realize jeff she can flashes right now. We won't tattoed naked. Nobody would know all get up because she's jumping does. This episode has go down back to New Year's patrol the nation's let's all right so new year's resolutions. Do you have any Erin. I JUST WANNA go to vacation. I want to be less stressed going. -cation a stress do Marseille like we're sit-ups leg lifts and vacation. I want to be unless I want to be more organized on more more antidepressants and more value they go oh my God. I Have Valium at work that I order. Why give me some I always whenever I see the spoonful a valium. I'm always like I'm kidding but I'm not kidding. Really not kidding. Dr Justin. How much better as life would be? If you give me a valium pill every morning. I know I can't about often but I'm not kidding. I'm kidding I'm not. He knows I'm not kidding. I like wink. Only come on woman come on a little bit right there. He knows I'm not kidding. Give give me a value like I. Literally he laughs and look it. I'm like dude I mean serious. You want better data they give me give me one of those pills man. I swear to God aww work through a good new year's thing we should all hang out more off I- husbands to get to know each other now now how our husbands are actually are fantastic. Has Javed provide the sports that yes has as my husband met your husband no okay Jeff NBA. John can do the sports together. And then Thorne Jason can do the weed in the alcohol together and then they're fantastic then the combo of the three of them that my even make a better for the three. Yeah Jason can bridge the gap between Thor and Jeff. Because he's got a little both in there. Yeah Yeah 'cause Thorin Jeff don't have the both right. No Thawra zero no zero sports or alcohol for Jeff though. I mean we have some issues but yeah well you get three of them together. I bet it'd be that'd be GIC. I mean Jason might have to work a little harder. Because he's the Bridge Casey but I think he's up for the wedding. Do it petty can do it. You're you're coming in my lab. My cat coming to see how she just curled up right there it. She'll start pearn too. Yeah she is. She's like totally rain yet. No bigger. She's totally content right here. She's good there's no way in hell. She's coming over to me. He's not look at her she's like eleven right. He'll what though about fucking time. That's your cat. My cat my cat but you bought her. She lives say your house. She almost went to the party tonight. She wouldn't get off the trunk of she who are gone quite a few places because she doesn't she crawls and Jeff's car and he doesn't even know she's in there and he's driving and he's like oh she's like and he's like what the fuck and he's asked a right turn around and come back home and bring her back. Josh get in his one of his window. Work Window doesn't roll up all the ways as you crawled there all the time. It goes to sleep. Because she's an indoor indoor outdoor cat. Where am I now? I know right where we go and make you so happy. Oh I don't trip I'm traveling GATT. stinker she's not at all freaked out by the car moving she doesn't. She just sat there like literally Kobe back almost all the way through out of her driveway. That it's quite a long driveway. She's right on the hood of the car. He kept saying jump down. When is she going to jump down? Talk to her. But she's really happy eventually had to get out and move her off the car before we actually got out of the driveway. She's very chill. She's very she's so pretty all right. We'll help everybody had absolutely fantastic new year. Hope you're not too hung over over and over and just dive right into those resolutions. Get it done to Kip month. Guys Resolutions for twelve months. You have to keep doing it or watching like two choices twice checking our lists checking to see if you've done it. Yeah you're losing ten pounds fucking lose twenty year to walk away. We'll let you down and make sure you did your resolutions. That's what we're about. EDCHOICE DOT COM. Give us five stars on and I to go to our website and check it out because it's frigging awesome damn it genders random stuff who yes dot com that's why hi L. is urging house. Well no there is Yahoo. Yeah you got our website. I'd contact us our website Kobe's house Oh yeah. Let me address. If you know where I live to show up at my house I Washington. It's somewhere in Washington state. Yeah I actually can't tell you the address because I have two techs techs Kobe every time we need. It doesn't even fucking remember what the ad even though she goes. Every way eastward ask oh how I only know that road and the in the city and the ZIP. I don't know the numbers. That's okay nice okay for all. Oh and by the way this not because I'm sitting here of course someone else's Heidi really. Yeah that's why she needed to address. Should I send her one. Probably I didn't. Is it a family picture of them. I don't have any pictures. I didn't send out any cards. Do you want me to give you a car to give her. I had car. I don't have a picture. Wait for her card and Cinder a card back okay. I haven't seen anybody heard me neither. I've only sent the ones I've gone. which is one I have but I haven't I just? I'm not doing it this year. I'm not doing it okay. We're past that we're entity ears and everybody resolutions resolution Right do it. We're going to sign off and we will see you next week's first week of twenty twenty what we'll have some super awesome sub topic to talk about two sub fucked up news. Yeah they'll be fucked fucked up news. Yes we'll due fucked up. News a gruesome.

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Pastors Are People, Too

The Road Home To You

1:05:25 hr | 1 year ago

Pastors Are People, Too

"Welcome to the road home to you. I am brandy Gable. You guys. I have a very special episode for you. Today. This was the episode that we had missed a couple of weeks ago, because an emergency came up and my dear guest had to go and help friend in need. But she's in the studio with me today. And she is my dear friend. Dottie Thorson Dadi. Welcome to the studio. Thank you. It is really good to be here. I'm glad we were able to reschedule this metoo. I always delighted so dotty is the wife of the former pastor of the church, I go to, and our churches merged. What was it like four years ago? Four or five years ago. Yeah. K- and so we were both in we were in separate churches. And they were both kind of pretty small and struggling at that, at that point. And. Your husband, Greg, and our pastor, Greg decided to get together and see about a church merge. And the churches went for it. And it did. We've been flourishing wonderful. It's been such a good thing. Definitely. And apparently, it was only afterwards that, that, that it was discovered like after the merge. It already happened that, that church merges the majority of the time don't work out. Exactly. So so we've been very blessed in that. And so, so we're gonna talk about what it is, like, as a pastor's wife and being in that role and, and being alongside ministering next to your husband in that role. But I, I want our audience to kind of get to know you just as a, you know, outside of pastoral stuff. So you've been a teacher. Tell us that I, I was a teacher for about twenty six years growing up. I said the one thing I would never be would be teacher over. Really? Yes. But I ended up doing that anyhow and -solutely loved it, and I still substitute teach to this day because I just love being around the kids and not having to worry about politics. Now, why did you decide that you didn't wanna be teacher? My mother was a teacher. My mother-in-law was a teacher. My aunt was a teacher. I was just kinda surrounded by teachers and. It was just was never something that I thought I wanted to do. Interesting, interesting. I always said I'd never live in Utah, and then I married and lived in Utah for three years. It's funny. The things that guy's definitely. Oh. You don't think so. Okay. Right. I also swore I'd never liked onions. And now I do moon. So okay, so you've you taught for how many years then about twenty six twenty six and Utah. What grade elementary elementary elementary. Yes, started off as a reading specialist and then did first grade and then fourth or fifth grade. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Excellent. And you've been retired now for four years. Okay. Excellent. And then and then Greg, your husband retired, just a couple years ago after thirty nine years of ministry. Wow. Yeah. So you guys are just footloose and fancy free. Most of the time, getting there, maybe. So, so tell us. Tell me this. If you were if it was the end of the world, and like post-apocalyptic, everybody is gone, you living in a bunker and somehow you have power k we don't know how this is happening, but you have power dot he's laughing at me. Not a question. I thought I would get out. Nope. I know. And you could only choose either one movie or TV show series. It could be a movie series but you know what I mean? Like just one thing to watch on Luke for the rest of your life. What would it be? You really should have asked me this like two days ago. So I actually think of. I thought about texting you and then I was like, nah. You know, the two that come to my mind, which they say, should you know, say what comes to your mind, right off hand is the TV show, mash. Okay. And the TV show friends. All right. Thank both. Uh-huh. That'd be very different. So you kind of go back and forth. Okay. But you can only choose one. I can only choose one. What can I just sneak one of my pocket because that's not the way orcs in my world? Then I would have to say if it was post-apocalyptic, it's not going to be a very happy time. Yeah. So probably friends. Yeah. Because then you feel like you've got buddies with. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And they'll make you laugh and remember the good times, right? Yeah. That's good. I like that. That's a good answer. All right. What is what's your favorite book that you've ever read? Let's really interesting because I am not a reader. Okay. I was a reading specialist for thirteen years. I never grew up reading I was the go outside and play. And but I think my favorite book or actually be a series of three books where the borrowers. About this little family of little people that live underneath a house, and they just borrowed things that they needed from, from the family. And so, anytime something was missing in our house growing up. It was the borrowers that had it and would always try and figure out what they were using it for. Oh, how fun. Yeah. So that was my favorite series of books growing. Who do you remember actually have them at home? Probably packed away. No. Don't okay. I'll have to look that up. That sounds really really, really good series sweet. All right. And then one more question. Real quick is if you. Could have any like dream job that you didn't like actually have what would it be? What would be your dream job looking back? Yeah. Or currently early. My first degree was in recreation. And I've always thought it would be fun to be a vacation planner who you know, to take, you know, sit down with a family or a couple or single whatever and, you know, okay, what do you want to do in, and plan out, so not, not just a travel agent more of K. This is what you want. This is what you're buzzed budget is let me plan it out for you fun. Yeah. That would be fun would be a lot of fun because then he'd have to travel to all those places to know all the good spots. I like it out of a lot of fun. Yeah. So I always thought that would be would be a lot of fun. Hey, here's an idea. How about you and I started? Unfortunately now. So many people just go online. Yeah. You know, you can't find everything online, yet word of mouth is really important when you're traveling, I think getting getting those local recommendations and stuff. I know when I was in. When I was in Australia, we were in this little town and. One of the. One of the things that we did. It was a fishing community. And so every night all the locals would go out onto this peer and fish for dinner. And so it was I mean, it was really kind of pretty touristy town. And there were a lot of tourist things to do. But we just went out to the piers and hung out with the locals and it was so great. We didn't fish for dinner. But, you know, just sat down with the locals we learned just on a cruise in the Caribbean last fall. And we were Ananta we'd taken us small catamaran trip out to another island and great day. And then on the way back in the crew is, what made the whole day on the way back, one of the gals just throws a line out the back of the catamaran, and it's like, what are you doing? I'm fishing for dinner. That's awesome. And sure enough by the time we got back to, you know, the main harbour as she got a couple of fish, and that was going to be here dinner. That's also like it. Well, we should probably get crack what we're here to talk about. So we're gonna talk about, like I said earlier about being a pastoral in in a pestworld position. And specifically being a pastor's wife. So you had said that Greg was in that he was a pastor for thirty nine years. Is that correct? And in that thirty nine years. How many churches were you guys at we were only two that's what I was thinking, only to you're very blessed to only only be at two and not have to move around a lot. Yeah. And you were at this church that, that we, here's yeah, that's crazy. That's a really uncommon thing. I think it is very uncommon a little bit of that is because of our background, both Greg. And I were born and raised in the military. Okay. Dads are both in the air force. And so when we had, when Greg was in seminary, and he had made the choice to become a pastor. We actually. Had the opportunity to choose the denomination, we wanted to go into because in the military on base chapels your Protestant Lutheran or Catholic, and we always had chaplains of all different nominations. And so, when we were looking at denominations, one of the big things for us was the fact that we didn't want to be in a denomination, where a Bishop or someone above you chose one in, where you moved we wanted to be Incan. Well, hopefully we've got help wanted to control of that. Yeah. That was one of the reasons why, you know, we were able to stay so long each place. Yeah. And so the church that we're at is a, a Presbyterian church and the Presbyterian church has kind of undergone a split. We're part of the eco group, which is evangelical church. Of the Presbyterians, I think, okay, no evangelical. Covenant order of the Presbyterian. Okay. I never remember what is dance for just tell people's. I don't know. I mean EKO Presbyterian. Oh, do you go hug trees like that? Yeah. Yes. Sometimes I do. So when you and Greg met was he already kind of on that track? No, not at all. We met at high school. Okay. So we were high school sweethearts. He was always very much of a Christian leader on campus. Okay. You know. And so then we both went to the same college, and it was his senior college he decided he wanted to go to seminary, but did not even know at that. And we were already married at that time, did not know at that time. Whether or not he wanted to pursue a pastor not. He just knew that he wanted more of the spiritual training. Okay. And so it really wasn't until his, we were at seminary fuller, seminary and Pasadena for four years. And it really wasn't until his second year that he really felt then call to become a pastor mom, and when he told me that my first reaction was that's never gonna work because I don't sing. I don't play the piano, and I don't want to teach Sunday school every week because that had been my image of a pastor's wife. Yeah. And so it was a little bit of a getting used to the fact in seeing what that role was going to be like, for us. Well, and that was one of the things that I wanted to talk about because that's kind of always been my image, two of the pastor's wife. Is that there Vader head up the women's ministry of the children's ministry or, or part of the choir or, you know, they're always kind of in certain positions of leadership and? Now I'm coming into, you know as the church merged it's kind of late in, in your career. So I don't know what your younger years like in ministry, but I haven't seen you in that in those roles while I was really fortunate in that our first ministry was college ministry, okay. Gregg wasn't associated pastor at a Presbyterian church in Ellensburg, Washington. And although his hit term was was youth pastor, he did the, the normal things that you think youth pastors do, but we had this wonderful college right there. And so his his dream was to why am I doing all this youth work myself? When I have all these college students that would love to be in those roles right. And so he developed teams of college students which then did the direct ministry with a high. Cool junior high students. And then most of our ministry was ministering to the team. Okay. That's why it was so special when we had Greg's retirement two years ago, we had twenty five people that we had been part in our teams thirty years ago, came Ohni. Yeah. So that was a very special time. And, and because of that, while two things the pastor's wife was a very quiet introverted woman, and it turns out that was probably the best model for me. Okay. Because what it taught me was there isn't really a role. I need to be who I am in that was probably the biggest thing I could have learned in those early years was, you know, what are my gifts? How can I help? How can I support him? You know what can my ministry be? And, you know, when you're dealing with college students to, you know they were at our house constantly. Yeah. And so that was very natural for both of us. Yeah. And then, you know, as you get you, as you have kids, you know, the those roles change. And, and I remember one of the, the biggest hurts was I'd met this, this college student, and he'd been going to college group for two years. But it was after we'd had kids and he had never met me before. Oh, wow. Because I had had to pull back. Yeah. And that was really hard. I remember that. So Greg, I have always been very much of a team, but in different ways, and then we would hear that again. So it's kinda like okay now I'm the pastor's wife. What is that gonna look like? And again, I don't sing in the choir don't do those things. Although when we came here are three kids doubled the amount of kids in the church. And so I did do a lot the first two or three years in developing children's ministry and children's time and children's Sunday school. So I did do a lot just because we needed to if we were gonna grow. Yeah. And, you know, and that time I was part time teaching and so that just kinda led, you know, right in right into it. But yeah, pretty much even in this church. And a lot of it's been Greg, you know, he's given me the opportunity to do. What's comfortable for me? That's one of the things that I've really valued in. I think I'm trying to think if. Of the pastors that have been most influential in my life that I've actually had relationship with. As I look at their roles and or their, their wives roles in the ministry, alongside them. It has been a very, very much a partnership in, even though some of them have kind of done the more typical things, I think it was because that was where they're gifting. Was it wasn't necessarily because that was kind of the expectation, but, but really that was where they're they're passionate. And they're driving their skill was at in. It's always nice to see pastures and their wives working in tandem for this common purpose. And I don't know that that's entirely common. Yeah. I think it really I think it depends. I mean, I think in smaller churches I think you'll probably see that more evident in larger churches and some of the mega churches. I would think that the pastor's wife role is quite different. Yeah. I would think so. Just out of necessity. Yeah. It's funny though, because the big at one of the hardest adjustments, I had to deal with the first couple years, was, I am by nature curious and we all know that curiosity kills the cat, and I would know that Greg was meeting with someone and he would come in, and I would drill him. What you guys talk about and what did you allowed? And, and, you know, he just kept saying, no, no, no. Not gonna tie. Not gonna tell you not gonna tell you and that drove me. Oh gosh easy. And then I finally, you know, took some time, but over the first two three years, realized that, you know, confidentially confidentiality is incredibly important, and, you know, there were times that he would tell me what he needed to tell me, you know, for advice or you know, because he'd been given permission to. But it just I it just had to be that way. And that stayed all the way through. Yeah. All the way through. Did you ever feel like and I don't know maybe this is just my personality because I tend to be kind of I'm, I'm one of those weird people that's an introvert, but I like the spotlight. Did you ever feel like you were kind of in Greg's shadow? No, I really didn't. Okay. No. Because I think I always felt apart. And then I also you know, had my other roles you know, I had my role his mom, you know how my role as a teacher. And so, I think all of that together, I think helped okay so tell us your kids like boys, girls ages. Okay. We have three kids, we have a son who is also a pastor. He came to an he's thirty five. He has a church in Corvallis, Oregon. He came to Greg H thirteen and said data, what would you say? If I said, I think I wanna be a pastor. Oh, wow. And he said, son, if you can be anything else, be it. But if that's what God's calling you to do. You better do it. Wow. And so he's got a great congregation down Corvallis. And he's he's off. Them. Then we have a son who's thirty three who is a salesman in wilsonville, and he both both of our boys were very athletically, gifted. So a lot of our lives were spent watching sporting events through college and beyond. And so he's, he's like me oldest son is very much like his dad, and that one is very much like very much like me. And then we have our daughter's shell who I can say was are group's baby because she knows that and she is thirty one and is a mom, a stay at home, mom and has to a two year old four year old. Oh, yeah. And our oldest son has nine year old twins Boina girl, and then a seven year old girl, and Michelle has a lot of the same gifts. I have gifts of hospitality that gives. Those those kind of gifts. And so she's turned into an incredibly wonderful woman awesome. Yeah. So it's that's interesting that you had mentioned that, that your oldest came to Greg, it thirteen feeling like maybe he was being called to, to being a pastor because I'm thinking about the thirteen year old boys I've ever known and. That seems so completely out of character for any thirteen year old kid. Well, he is a very unique individual part of it was at thirteen. He was six foot five inches. Oh my goodness sakes and saw the joke was he was never a kit. Yeah. And in some ways he wasn't, and he always had that, that mature mentality. Okay. And so it wasn't a surprise in we, we, we knew from before that, that, that was, we could just see it. You know, we could just see it. So real kind of more of a cerebral. Yeah. Of self reflective kind of kid, very, I mean, we remember in, in sixth grade, when he would sign his name at last name Thorson, which starts with a T, right? He would always make the tea into a cross. Oh, a little things like that. I don't we would start noticing, but. Also, our kids were very much a part of our ministry. Okay. Very much part in, in having an open home and letting you know, people come into our home. And, and, you know, with their friends and, and all that they were very much a part of her ministry, the marimba -ment ministry that our church had. And, you know our kids were very involved in that. And I can remember very distinctly a time in when Mark, our second son was a senior in high school and has driving him at a buddy somewhere and Mark, and I were talking about some church thing we were having that weekend at the house, and, and the guy said, well, you know, how, how many people are coming in, and I said, I think between twenty five and thirty and he goes, oh, my goodness. And Marcus looked hit. Oh, that's nothing. Yeah. So that, that was their mentality now with been like that, anyhow, although all three of them really do. Like to open up their homes for friends and, and have those those kind of, of gifting also, but they were very much a part of our ministry, whether it's through their sports teams or through their music, or or just through. They were so, so did any of them kind of go through any sort of open rebellion and you don't need to like give details. But. Our daughter, Michelle. And I think, you know, she would not mind me saying this started in junior high school suffering from anxiety. Okay. And so while that wasn't a rebellion that was definitely, you know, something that our family have to deal with. Our oldest son was a very talented college quarterback and. You could start to see that, that swagger that they, they kinda have, you know, develop and so that that was hard at times, you know. But no, they didn't have the normal, because, you know. Yeah, you hear that about preachers and yeah. And then we were always told that our kids had double whammy, because they had preachers, kids and teachers kits. And so they said that was just, you know that's funny because I'm a teacher's kid, and I never heard that about teachers kids, so bad student. But if they all felt very much a part of the church and the church was very important to them. But again, you know. Twenty years ago. Church was more. You know, I won't say more important, but, you know, nothing. You didn't do anything else Wednesday nights. Right. You didn't have. I mean, even when our kids were in high school. They didn't have practices on Sunday, Sundays were still kept separate, you know, so things have changed that I think have kids nowadays are being pulled in so anymore directions. And so that focus and we've asked our kids before. How did you feel? Did you ever feel like you were in official? Yeah. Their answers were, yes. But it was okay. You know they they, they knew that they were being watched. And, and they knew that actions that they did could or would or could reflect upon their dad, but they also took that responsibility seriously. That's, that's so interesting. I because that that was kind of what I was wondering about is is that fish bowl lifestyle? In because that's a lot of pressure. Right. And it takes. I think it takes a strong spouse to, to live in the fish, bowl and kids living in a fish bowl. Oh, that's hard. That's real hard. But they were also all pretty good leaders, which I think helped yeah. Yeah. You know, I, I think that helped a lot too well, and it sounds like probably just the fact that. Ministry, and like ministry was intricately interwoven into your every portion of your life, definitely. It wasn't something that was separated from your family. So I, I am magin that played a huge huge role because because I do know that I've, I've heard some pastors kids that are pretty bitter resentful, because, you know, dad was always gone. Mom was always gone, whatever serving the church and all these other people, but was never at my baseball games. Yeah. And, and that wasn't the case with you guys. And I think the other thing that helped as that Greg was given the opportunity and the blessing of the church for twenty eight years to coach tennis at the high school. And so that was just a wonderful opportunity. And so people in the community felt comfortable with him. And. I think that also, I think helped the kids, too, because when they were in high school, anyone that knew, you know, Greg, as a coach knew that he wasn't this. You know, religious weirdo, they might have thought of as, as a pastor. You know when there was a pastor. Yeah. You know. And so, you know, they knew him in a different way. And I think that was helpful also. They didn't quite didn't feel quite so much in a fishbowl because there are a lot of people that knew their dad in different roles pastor. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Sounds like a pretty healthy balance, which was, you know, they always talk about getting out of the Christian ghetto, and that was his way of being able to do that. Yeah, yeah. Exp, explain that to our listeners might not know that phrase Christian ghetto basically means if you spend all your time with, like minded, Chris. John's than you become so, almost inbred that any new ideas, any new people coming from the outside, no matter how good or how, you know, much you need that you have Tennessee to say. I'm sufficient where sufficient were good enough. We don't need anybody else. Yeah. It's a super dangerous and really easy mentality to fall into. Yeah. See it happened a lot, which is where you know, like in, in my role as a teacher. That was my of new of being, you know, having relationships outside of the church. Yeah. And, you know, the silly bunko groups and the that the girls weekends at the coast, you know, things like that, that gave me that balance. Yeah, I think that's a lot of it is. You've got to have some balance. Yeah. Yeah. So. One of the things that, that Matt and I both were curious about 'cause we're talking about, like what, what to ask you last night. And, and he was like, you know, I, I wonder because. The life of a pastor's not easy. And, you know, any given Sunday, you just don't know who's gonna come up to you after a sermon and be pretty upset by something that you've said and. You know, it just seems to me like a pastor can never please, everybody all the time. Right. Which is true for all of us. Right. But it seems a special treat for pastures and so so Manno kind of wondering in, in that. Where did that strain relationships between you and? Yeah, I guess, split their times, I wanted to deck people. There. But also, I mean Greg, Greg did a good job of guarding me. Also. Okay. He didn't tell me that was going on. And I think rightfully so. Yeah, you know, because I am powerless, you know, for the for a lot of those issues there, there really was nothing I could do about it. But overall looking back the ones that bothered us the most where the silent ones. Oh, okay. You know, if if someone came up to Greg and say, this really bothered me or what you said, really bothered me. That was wonderful. It was the ones that he knew really unhappy. And wouldn't say a word. Yeah. Yeah. That was a lot harder for him. I could see that, you know, because I mean, if they're in same way with, you know. Hike when he was taking classes in seminary, one of the things that he was taught him, one of his church, growth classes was sometimes for the health of the church people have to leave. But what they didn't tell you is that sometimes those people never tell you why they left. And so you're just you're left with all these questions. What it in those he took very personally. What an idea wrong, you know that type of thing it would be nice to have like an exit survey. Yeah. Exactly. But most people aren't going to do that. No. You know and, and often times I think it's, it's not so much that people are unhappy with. Anyone particular person or thing or whatever it's that they're unhappy with God. But that's part of it. Yeah. And, and they feel. I don't know. It seems to me a lot of times when I've seen people leave churches that it's because they have this sort of. Expectation of being served instead of actually getting in rolling up their sleeves and doing some survey. I know that Greg mentioned that in his sermon couple of weeks ago. Oh, no. I guess, just this last Sunday, and, you know, good so identified, especially now in this, this era of consumerism is, you know, I think what he said is so true. You know, it's not what can I do for the church? It's what can the church do for me? Yeah. And that is not ever. I think the. What God wants? Yeah. You know, God wants you to be part of a church and do your part in not just sit back and let things happen. And then he had to realize things like I mean, there was a family that left one time because he let their kids call him, Greg, rather than pastor Thorson. Uh-huh. You don't use little things like that, you know. And so those you just kind of roll off. But at least we knew why. But yeah, it was always the silent ones, we're the hardest. Yeah. Yeah. I said, you know, he always did a pretty good job of guarding me. But, you know, when you've been in church for thirty years, you know, we probably had three different congregations. You know, just as ebbs and flows and times and people and everything change. You know, we had our core, but overall, we probably have three different congregations. Yeah, yeah. That's interesting. I hadn't really thought about it that way because I know that there are a few that are in our church pews, you know, every Sunday that have been there for every Sunday for as long as you guys have been there or even before. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, but I hadn't really thought about that as, as far as the, the rest of the congregation being such a changing. Thing. Interesting. So one of the things that you talked about was hospitality, and that is probably. One of the things that I admire so much about you, and Greg and struggle with myself, which is weird because I, I used to consider myself a very hospitable person, like hospitals kind of my thing when we first got married, I was all about opening up our house and having people over, but Matt was very introverted and just kind of wanted to be a homebody and didn't wanna have a lot of people around. And I was like, let's bring them all. Yeah. And, and then as as time has gone on our roles have shifted, and he's much more, like, hey, let's have people over. And I'm thinking, but why would we do that? It's so much worse. But one of the things that I noticed several years ago, he, and I were on a mission trip down in Mexico, and one of the families that we were ministering with and four and two and all that they had this little tiny home and three kids, two of whom were like brand new baby twins and their dad lived with them. And they just had this small little house, and they invited the whole team to come in and have lunch during a workday. And they had made this just incredible. Feast for us, and we're just kind of sitting wherever you could find space kind of, on top of each other. But, but their home was open, and they just invited us in with the warmest. Welcome and said, our home is your home, and it was so impactful for me, too. To recognize like, I don't have to have the perfect space. I don't have to have everything perfectly cleaned. I don't have to be a great cook. Although they were great cooks. You know, I'm not, but you are so gifted at hospitality, and has that always like when you were younger was that kind of something that was modeled, fine. You know. I've, you know, I think again, I think people are gifted in hospitality by the Holy Spirit. I think everyone can learn how to be hospital. But some people just have that gift most people don't realize that, Greg is actually, an introvert who's learned to be an extrovert. But even in, in high school, I was the one that would have the, you know, the Halloween party at my house. And, and so we kind of had that that rule pretty young. And then with college students it's very I mean we could not have an open house, because we never knew when someone door right? You know, or we had a little little tiny little Honda Civic, and the big joke for them. They would come move the car down the street pick up and down the street. And so it might be two o'clock in the morning and we'd have we'd have a phone call. And then we also took in, in the course of our time. And. Owns work. We took into people whose housing situations they needed to place to live. And it was like sure, we got an extra bedroom come on over, and then I think also. In seminary in. And then in college, even we were college, we went to Whitman college, which is a small college in Walla Walla, and we were maybe one of four married students on campus. And so it was very natural for us to have our friends over. Yeah. You know, and the same in seminary, we would have, you know, all the a lot of the other students over for Easter dinner, or thanksgiving dinner, if they couldn't go home and things like that. So I think the circumstances around our life around our ministry, and I think helped that gift and, you know, some people are someone once told me or asked me, do you just not like being with your us? Is that why you always liked to have people over? It's like no, not at all. You know. And now it's just so natural for us. And we've always tried to look for those people that, that need it that just need some place to calmer someplace to be and, and open up or home to those people. And we also realize that there's a lot of people like you that love to be around people, that's not the problem. But the whole planning and figuring out things they don't wanna go there. And so it's fun sometimes to invite a group of people over stand back and just watch in a site can this is why we do it. Because these people are connecting. And if we hadn't done this, they wouldn't. Yeah. You know, so I think. That that's been an important part in are in realising. Why why we do a lot of what we do? Yeah. Well, I know, Matin, I have sure appreciated the the hospitality, and in just the friendship because even though it's really only been a few years that we've known you too. It was funny. The other night. We're at a barbecue at your house, and we'll talk about that here in just a little bit. But and I was talking to your neighbor and. Yeah, and, and she was asking how I knew you and Steph, and, and I said, you know, it's so strange, because like there was just an immediate kinship, and I feel like I've known you guys my whole life. And I just there's just immediate comfort and there's immediate. Understanding, like I feel very confident that I can open up and share everything with you, and Greg, and you're not going to run away screaming. You're not going to condemn me. You're not gonna you know whatever. And you just gonna love me where I'm at and you're good. Encourage me to draw closer to God in the process. Well, I think actually I think you and I are lot alike. Yeah. I think we down deep inside where LA like, yeah. And I think that's probably some of the attraction, and we can really kind of understand our motivations and, and what we've been through, and, you know, we've been through some real hurts in our lives, and, and loss, very important people in our lives. And, and so I think a lot of ways, I think that's that probably does help. Well, so let's talk real quick about why we were having a barbecue at your house. Is because you guys were moving guys are moving onto to new adventures. Can you share what that is? Yes, we can. We always knew that, eventually, you know, like a lot of people we're gonna get old and in. So it was like, well, okay, so which one of you kids is gonna take care. Barely. They've talked about this awhile awhile to without us knowing. And, and so right now. We have two of our, our kids live in Corvallis in the one that lives in wilsonville. And, and so. We started thinking about okay, well, what do we wanna do? You know, going, we have a big house now. I have some physical issues. I need a one eventually are gonna need a one level. So where should we move? We thought. Well, let's move halfway in between the two. And we thought that doesn't really gain us anything then yeah. Then we're only, you know, we're not really close to either one and we did side to not do that. And then we thought, well, let's just stay here. Which is fine. We absolutely love sandy, best place. We ever could have raised our kids, but I've noticed again, I think it goes back many, many years being raised in the military, we were never around her grandparents. We never had that roller knives and the last two or three years. Greg, especially has been noticing in me that really strong pull to want to be a grandma and, you know, when my daughter would call in and say, you know, I'm b. Myself because both kids are sick. And I don't know what to do and, and he could just see, I just I just wanted to go, you know, or when, you know, one of the grant the older grandkids would call and say, hey, my music, concerts tomorrow night, can you come? It's like no, I can't you know, he could see that was hard. So we started thinking about, you know what we wanted to do. And we thought if we if we waited ten years, which was kind of our plan and moved the grandkids previously out of the house. All we would have was family. And so we love college towns, because that's you know, or so much a good. Good part of ministry was for us. We love college towns. And so we just thought you know what we know that Ryan who's the pastor and his family, they may. They may leave Corvallis. Jared, our son-in-law was born and raised in Corvallis, and you will never ever get him out of that. So. So then we thought, well, let's choose there. Yeah. So then the more we got talking about it. And, you know, the, the we got talking with our daughter and son-in-law. And we came up with the idea of building a multi generational home together. And just, you know, the opportunities at that would have for us both ministry wise and, and, and moneywise I, we could both get a lot more for the, you know, if we pulled our money. And so that's what we decided to do. And, and our neighbor how we found out about the property that we bought the neighbor is the Oregon state university campus crusade director. Oh, cool. I didn't know that. He's them on the foul was talking to the owner of the property and said, you know, I think we're eighty five we're never going to build like we thought and so- Greg has inhale, too goes to our sons church. Okay. But Greg's also been in contact already been in contact with him about doing some mentoring for college students. Ashes would just thrill him to death. Yeah. And so things just kinda started opening up and, and we realize, you know, we've got, you know, two year old four year old seven-year-old in nine year old in, even if we were to wait for years, we're not gonna have that same role. Yeah. It just won't be there. Yeah. And so we just thought okay now's the time. Yeah, very scary, but very exciting, it, you know, it, it it's very sad for me because we don't wanna see you guys leave this community on the other hand, it is very exciting. Because one of the things that so like this, this episode that we just released. Our last episode is about midlife crisis, and Matt, and I both kind of feel like we're kind of going through our own individual midlife crisis. And it's not you know it's not crisis. Right. As much as we're just transitioning and were kind of having to reevaluate some things and Kitson believing the. Yeah. And our parents are starting to age. And you know, there's there's just some things that are happening that, that we're recognizing like we're in kind of entering a new season. And, and that alone is kind of scary, but one of the things that we were talking about in that is the fact that, you know, we can retire from our jobs, but we can't retire from serving God and how in, in each new season of life, you know, we need to be constantly asking that question. Okay got what do you want me to be doing right now in this season with what I have with my, whether it's physical limits. Nations or financial limitations or whatever what do you want to be doing? And I love the fact that you and Greg have so beautifully modelled, this idea of okay? You know we we've now both fully entered into retirement. That's a huge transition. And it's a it's oftentimes a time when. People kind of do one of two things. It seems they either like just completely give up life or they get really selfish with it. And you know, and I think it makes sense because, you know, you're thinking I've worked for forty years, like, I deserve to have some fun, you do deserve to have some fun. But there's certain that you can do to. And I love the fact that you and Greg, like I said, you've modeled, this beautifully where you have taken time to do some traveling in. You've taken some time to really enjoy an and savor some a couple of years of retirement together, but you've you have continued to ask that question of okay, God, how do you wanna use us now? And here's this opportunity, that's just kind of blossomed before you. And I love the fact that you're gonna continue to open your home up for people in. And in and share that ministry continue to share that ministry with your kids. That's so cool. It's going to be really cool. It's like coming full circle. It is a lot of ways. Yeah, it was interesting. Oh, maybe three or four months ago. Greg without having his quiet time outside and. He heard God, which, you know, he does occasionally and the and the and what he heard was you're a builder. And the way that he, he thought, I think this is a word from God, because he said, if I had been thinking it, I would have said, I'm a builder but the word was very strongly. You're a builder. And so then he started thinking about, you know, his his ministry, and, you know, every place at Bannon, he realized. Yeah, you know, I built a college ministry of one hundred students and in Ellensburg, and, you know, successful, you know, junior high and high school teams I built a church here. I built boys tennis program. I built a girls tennis program. You know, I built a million dollar addition onto the church, you know, and not that it was. Isn't a bragging way. Right. But it was just like yes, that's kinda my mentality is. I'm not one Justice it. And, and yes, there are lots of ministries that we could build here, still but it was just like okay so what do you want to build? You know, so we really just started thinking about about that. And he said, you know, I think I kinda almost wanna come full circle and, and go back to college again. Yeah. You know. So you can't be college towns. They're the best. They're just absolutely the best. Yeah, we Soliven Monmouth met worked at the college there and. We loved it there. We just loved it, and we had to we had to move on. And that was a sad time. And there are several times that, you know, we've thought I wonder if we should have done that, but we should have an was good. But Oliver cred kids are grads and all of our inlaws. Are we? It's such as such a great town, and it's just it's nice to have that, that youthful vigor, and that excitement for learning and in expressing new ideas, and you've got the arts and you've got the sports and you've got just the music. And yeah, there's just such an energy in a college town that you just don't find anywhere else. Definitely. That's cool. I just might move in with you guys sounds great great. While some extra rooms there you go. So real quick before we head out. I wanted to ask you, because you were just talking about Greg, having some quiet time. And this is a thing that I struggle with is, is practicing good time with God and being disciplined in that. And, and so I'm I'm working on it. And I've got an accountability to account ability partners now. And so we're working, but, but. I wanted to know like. How? As, as a pastor's wife as a mom as a teacher late. You know, you've worn a lot of hats, you've been a very busy person. How have you managed to continue to find time to, to spend in God's word, and to spend time in prayer -obably, not one of my strengths? Is it? Okay. And probably not one of my straights. Yes. I think that's why I've always enjoyed the, the bible studies, we've been in, because that's been that gives me some accountability. It's throughout my whole life. It's been very difficult to have a sustained time of daily time in in, in the word prayer. And people always seem to kind of this is one of those, I think, pastor passer wise, assumptions that, you know, Greg, I, you know, had bible studies together all the time I got down on her knees and prayed for the church every day. And. No. Not so much. Not so much. We, you know, we do a good job of praying together, but we've never over the course of our marriage really even Forty-six years really spent a lot of time in the word together. Just the two of us. I think part of it. And I think that's changed over the years. I think part of it was my lack of confidence in what I knew. Oh, okay. You know, I mean he's got a doctorate a lot. Uh-huh. What do I have to give? Yeah. And even though he never. He would never do that. I think inside me, I always felt like really. I mean if you and I are going to have a study together really what can I give to it? Right. You know. So, I think in some ways that stopped me, okay? For from pursuing that. But we have over the years gotten much better about praying together. And I think that's been really important. Yeah. Yeah. And in talking just playing just talking. Yeah. You know, there really does seem to be kind of this perception of, if you're in any kind of church leadership, or ministry, or whatever, like people just assume that you spend hours and hours in the word every day. And I'm pretty happy if I spent five minutes, reading, God's word, you know, which, I mean that's sad. And I feel like I should crave it more because there was a time during my recovery process that, oh, my goodness sakes. I was in the word for hours, you know, that was my hours at a time, but you need it. Yeah. And now it's like I'm just trying to survive. I, I do pretty good to pray a lot. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's hard. Yeah. To, to have any kind. But no Greg's amazing. He's always had a very constant time everyday. Matt does to. He's really going for him. He started it. I think even became stronger, where we had kids, we did we need more. But he wanted to be that model. Yeah. He really wanted to be that model for the kids of what, you know, in his mind godly man, you know, should look like. Yeah, it was really important to him. But I know I'm just amazed when I think about. You know a sermon every week. That's like a ten page paper. Yeah. How do you do that? Yeah. You know, and I only thing I've seen over the years is you just you pray and, and you listen and you study and it all comes together. But I could never do that. Yeah. It's a hard job, I. Every time I. Kind of a have the opportunity to sort of observe, what a pastor is dealing with just little glimpses. Yeah. All I get are the glimpses. I just think, man, that's that's got to be one of the toughest jobs. Honestly. Because your, your spiritual adviser your financial advisor your. A counselor. You're a teacher. You're facilities. You're, you're you have so many roles. Right people expect you to play. I think that's that is the hardest part is because it is an all encompassing role is not a job. Yes. A role. You know it's not like you can, you know, be there at eight and clock out at five, and don't think about it again. You know you're always on the job. Yeah. And for some people that's hard. Yeah. I think that's why you see a lot of pastor burn out a lot of, you know, pastor family burnt out is just trying to, to, to deal with all that, what are, what are some ways can that we can come alongside our pastors and their families and really kind of love on and support them in and minister to them as they minister to us, you know, I think just constantly supporting them especially if. If you know that there's any any troubles going on, even if you don't know the details of it, you know, just a phone call, or, you know, attacks or Email that says just want you to know today. I am praying for you, and that's very powerful. And just, you know, getting them out and playing with them sometimes you know in, but mainly, it's just it's so important for pastor Toby able to look out over congregation and no, those people that are really there for him or her. And I think, you know, if your pastor knows that of you, it, it means a lot. And then just trying to, you know. For example, this, this program, you wanna start this fall this recovery program. You know you didn't come to, to the pastor saying, I want you to do this. You said, I want to do this for the church, and I think oftentimes people go to the pastor saying, I want you to start this and do this, this, this, and this, and they're going there's, there's no more plate that I can put latest empty. But if you come in saying, you know, God's really place this on my mind this ministry, and how, how can we do this together? Or how can you support me if I wanna go start at myself, I think those things really help. Block and supporting the family good. There's a weird noise happening. I'm not sure what it is. Is there noise happening out there? Yep. What is that? What's there, it's the wall to the outside, and we've got neighbors back there. As the weirdest. I heard it too. Yeah. I was like, what? I was like what is happening here. Yeah. So strange. Well, that's that's good to know about. About supporting our pastors in and their families because I think I think a lot of times they get neglected. And, and I think too often they also get put up on a pedestal, and I think it's time we take our pastors in their families off of the pedestal in recognize that they're just real people. It's interesting, one of the most interesting questions I get asked often, I used to play a lot of competitive softball and, and, and at my work or in so social situations outside of the church when people would say, you're a pastor's wife and I never knew how. Oh my goodness. I never would've guessed are, oh, you're a normal person. Yeah. I never knew how to take that statement from somebody. You're a pastor's wife. It's like goodly or right. You know. Well, I know that, that Karen, the wife of our current pastor has said that she always takes it as a compliment. It might not always be presented as a compliment. That's the way she always takes. I think so. I think. You know, we shouldn't we, we shouldn't blend into the world as, as Christians, or, you know, whatever your role is in the church, you know, we shouldn't blend into the world but we also shouldn't. I don't know. We shouldn't look so different that we're unappealing. Exactly. Yeah. So, yeah, I think I think there's kind of a fine line there, and I think you walk it nicely, but is interesting, but Greg, and I both like to do cruises. And you know, you're sitting at a table with eight people, you don't know. And of course, the first night, it's always, you know. Well, you know where do you live? What do you do? When I tell you, you know, when he would SAMA pastor talk about a conversations stopper. It was like, no I just no one knew what to say. Isn't that weird? I was like, oh, okay. That's nice. What do you do? They're now we can't drink, and we can't swear, and we can't talk about anything fun. We sure can't gamble. And we can't do this. We get. No. But we're just real people. That's great. Well Donnie, thank you so much for joining us is there is there anything else that you feel like you would like to say, I was I was thinking about one thing, and I think I should have probably mentioned it when you asked about, you know what you can do for your, you know, your pastor, I think the one thing, I one of the things I learned over the many years is, I don't think the majority of the congregation, some people realize how much. Can know another word but pain that passers have sometimes for their congregation. You know, I don't think they realize that aspect of it. You know, I mean these are people that they feel have been put into their flock for reason. And so when someone's hurting or when someone feels like they've been hurt or it's there's a lot of pain. Yeah. A lot of tears shed over congregations. Yeah. A lot of people know that. Yeah, that's, that's good to be mindful of I and that's what we want from our pastors. We want we want to know that they're invested in us individually and corporately. Right. But we also don't want to add to that burden needlessly. And we also wanna come alongside them and help them carry that burden. I think. So there's great. I mean it was I've, we feel very blessed. Yeah. Well, we're very blessed to have had you. Dati. Thank you so much for joining me today in the studio. Thank you. Thank you for your friendship, and for your wisdom, and for just. Being a really great role model and I'm not old enough to be a role model Yar. You can be a role model for anybody. It's not age related. You're all model for hospitality. Love your studio. It's wonderful. Well, thank you. All right. You guys. Thank you so much for joining Dottie and I today, I hope that you guys have gained some insight into the life of pastor, and their family. I hope that you guys have learned some ways that you can come alongside your own pastor, and, and care for them and help encourage and impress them toward the goal in, in good and healthy ways. And I think that's about it. I'm gonna put up some show notes and you can find those at road home to you dot com. You can find us on all of the social media's except for Twitter because I still don't understand how to use it. And you can Email us any of your questions any of your, I don't know, if you wanna tell me a story about your pastor, and how cool they are share that with us, we'd love to hear that, that's good stuff. Or if you've got some requests, or if you think you would make a good gust on our show. Please Email us at road home to you at g mail dot com. And I think that's going to do it for us. You guys. Love. God love people pray hard and we'll see next time. Bye.

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Washington Capitol turned into a secure fortress ahead of legislative session

KUOW Newsroom

04:15 min | Last month

Washington Capitol turned into a secure fortress ahead of legislative session

"Washington's twenty twenty one legislative session will begin today under extraordinary security. The national guard has been deployed along with state troopers from every region of our state. The capitol building has also been fenced off to keep the public out. Kyw's austin jenkins spent sunday at the capitol filed this preview on sunday morning the capitol campus was a study in juxtaposition. The one hand you had national guard troops spaced evenly along a chain link fence. It been hastily installed to create a security perimeter around the capital on the other hand. You had neighbors. Like dan and tracy casts out for a walk with their dog. Initially it was like. Oh my gosh can't be this is happening but on the other hand i feel safer actually feel safer knowing that they're here. We waived adams thank them for their service and You know it's but it is. It is tragic and we are. We are in a tipping point in this country. The caches weren't the only neighbors thanking the troops at the capitol or taking in the scene. Sarah husband's family biked through the campus. She wanted her daughters to see what was happening. Coming down here to show them that. This is what it looks like but also teaching them that. It hasn't looked like this before. So i don't want you to think that this is the norm and this is how it's always going to be especially because we live in such close close proximity of the capitol washington governor jay inslee called up the national guard following the riots at the us capitol and wednesday that same day in olympia. A group of pro trump supporters reach the perimeter fence that surrounds. The governor's residence on sunday guard. Members stood watch. The governor's lawn not far away. More guard members held the line at the steps to the capital. Nobody likes to see fences around the people's house. Nobody likes to see fences bisecting the front yard of the state. Which that's what this is. Chris loft is a washington state patrol. He calls the situation a tragedy but adds the state patrol is resolved to keeping the legislature safe. Our democratic process will not be interfered with by by those with a legal intention. Lawmakers will convene in person to approve rules that will allow them to then meet remotely because of cove it for public health reasons. The capital will not be open to the public prompting. Talk that some far-right protesters might trade occupy the building on sunday. A small demonstration of the capitol drew a few dozen people. Jessica character of ellensburg organize the event. Possibl that limits the governor's powers also possibilt- that will not allow for covid nineteen discrimination for those that. Choose not to take the vaccine. When one heavily armed man suggested trying to enter the capital he was quickly shouted down by the mostly unarmed crowd today. That moment happened as republican state representative. Jim walsh speaking moments earlier. He'd criticized the fortress around. The capitalist governor governor inslee take on these days the only other real tension was when streak creature showed up and effectively drowned out. The speakers voted for donald. Trump's not event also drew anti massacres people warning of dangerous related to the covid vaccine in those who say covert is a hoax basis and epidemiology is the event at the capitol wound down a proud to be anti-fascist rally was getting underway at a nearby park at one point. A small group dressed in black made their way to the capital and the fence. Line for a few of them heckled. The national guard troops before departing to shouts of antifa as the group left a handful of citizens in tactical gear and carrying firearms watch from nearby more protests and rallies are planned for today at the capitol is the legislature gathers the state patrol and national. Guard will be in place at the ready. I'm austin jenkins in olympia.

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Lydia Johnson | #015

Real Food Real People

39:36 min | 1 year ago

Lydia Johnson | #015

"They got out of during the year that I moved to college. And I have to say that. That's a little heartbreaking. Because I felt like I was responsible for it. No matter how many times they'll tell me no no you need to go like. Oh do what you need to do. This is real real people podcast. Welcome back to the real food. Real people podcast. I'm Dillon han-kook and I'm glad you're here. Hopefully things are going. Well if you're self isolating in keeping to yourself as I hope we all are right now Keeping everyone is safe and healthy as possible This week We hear from a young woman who is studying at central Washington University just about to get her environmental resource geography degree. She grew up on a Washington state dairy farm and the perspective that she brings from her academics as well as her life experience. Growing up on a farm is really really valuable. I think as far as what's happening in the state politically and with the environment and with farming. So I'm glad you're here for this conversation this week. Her name is Lydia Johnson and as I mention on real food. Real people instagram Over the weekend I actually met her at a bar. I know it sounds weird. I was just driving through Washington. I was in little kittitas Washington and stopped in to it. I thought it was really cool. Old Timey restaurant and bar the timeout saloon and she was working behind the counter. And we just happen to chat a little bit and I found out that she grew up on a farm and so we talked a little bit more. And I thought she's gotTa be on the podcast in share her perspective and her story such cool stuff so thank you for being here. Make sure to follow us on facebook and instagram and twitter as well. If you can subscribe on your favorite podcast outlet apple podcasts spotify Google podcasts. You name it and of course check out real food real people dot org so without any further ado. Here's Lydia Johnson and our conversation this week on the real food real people podcast my continuing journey around various parts of Washington state to get to know the real people behind our food and the real culture of farming and food here in Washington state. We think it's more important now with everything that's happening than ever before to know. Not only where your food comes from and to get food grown locally and from Washington state but also to know who grows your food and to understand the care and respect that goes into so sitting in a bar. Strike up a conversation with the bartender. You and you're right. Yep Oh need that. You grew up as a dairy farm kit. Yeah Yeah so born and raised on a dairy farm Originally starting down in Vancouver Washington My Dad got into dairy farming. Had to pick up and move the entire dairy up into the raging booming town of Ethel Washington. Or I say Oh yeah. I'm from Lake Bethel. No Ethel Washington. Population are dairy farm and a post office is a full Washington. Southwest Washington is right off of highway. Twelve on your way over white pass or about ten miles off of I five yeah so if I'm explaining it to somebody will be like okay. Do you know we're Olympia as we'll say yes. Okay do you enjoy is okay. Forty five minutes southeast of there and they're like Oh okay. Rower that is. I've probably turn right past it. So so what told me about jury like how many cows did you guys have was your whole life. Yes we started out as a conventional dairy farm and As I was growing up we eventually made the transition into an organic dairy milking from we began at like four hundred cows and then when we got to organic dairy we were only milking about one hundred and sixty and so this is only my mother father and I and we were the only ones doing it. We didn't have any higher hands. We didn't have any any help. It was just. It was just the three of us in at the time. Like I didn't know it was weird or abnormal to just be three running this dairy this little twelve year old girl and my both. My parents had fulltime jobs. And so we were just making making it work and so they wake up early three thirty four thirty in the morning. My job was to bring in the cows so I'd always be looking for an excuse to go out and ride my horse so it's out on my horse in the barn early in the morning and go out and bring the cows in my dad would always don't run the girls. Don't make them run just walk. I'm like come on. Let me go but you know after. I got a little bit older understood so cowboy cowboy. Oh yeah absolutely absolutely. I grew up kind of in this weird dynamic where it's like I wasn't really raised to be like a cowboy or cowgirl and do like the Rodeo thing because I grew up on a dairy farm and dairy farmers they don't they're dairy farmers new show in the show at the dairy far. You know you show at the fair and the forage elevate which I did that too but also involved heavily into like junior Rodeo in high school rodeo and things like that as well so it's kind of a strange dynamic but it's definitely a childhood that made me who I am and I'm forever grateful to my parents just because like all these other students going to school with her things like that they just woken up at eight thirty in the morning and I'd already had half a day on them. You know and Just having that experience really impacted me as a person has given me a little bit more of I would say. An upper hand definitely upper-hand but upper-hand how as far as like maturity levels and responsibilities and carrying for another creature. That isn't a huge. You know it's it's a different. A different dynamics is something you're raising cavs or you're feeding heifers are just these different aspects of growing up on a dairy create just more fulfilling. I would say probably more fulfilling life. Were you ever frustrated with all that? Oh Yeah easy easy. I would always think like what would it be like to have like a normal childhood growing up in a suburb or something like that and like thinking back on. That was like what was I thinking? Why would I ever wonder if something like that? I know it would be like miserable. Not necessarily but you know definitely. When did that change? When did you switch from being like this is just a whole bunch of work to starting to really value it? Well when I was in middle school I was probably like I'd been slaved for that law evidence for that long already feeding calves and it wasn't it didn't feel like slavery at the time but he knows something that. I had to wake up every morning and every Saturday Sunday holiday everything so my friends would be out you know and they'd have sleepovers something but I'd have to get picked up early because they'd have to come home and feed calves or something like that something or does something small but when I got into high school I really started appreciating it because it kind made me a little bit more Mindful of like time management and how to execute all the things that I needed to get done within the day but I worked them around milking schedules so that was really interesting to not. Very many students had to deal with that. What was the milking schedule on the farm? Usually we would milk at like six thirty six o'clock in the morning and then milk at six thirty six o'clock in the evening if not earlier because a depend on how early I could get out and get the cows because sometimes things don't always go in go the right way and We had a small dairy. So a lot of things went wrong like pumps weren't working or something would freeze erred. The parlors flooded one morning to small weird things. That probably don't happen on. I don't know I guess larger farms. I don't know yeah I would say so too. I guess Murphy's law can break. It will absolutely so. Why did why did your parents have to move the dairy east and at what point in your life was that I was. I think I was only two or three so you probably don't really well. I remember so we were releasing some property from From A GENTLEMAN DOWN IN VANCOUVER WASHINGTON. My Dad had had already started the heard and started milking down here in. Vancouver and then They had sold the dairy before our lease was up and so my dad had started like frantically shopping for another dairy out from underneath right. Yeah and so this. I was pretty young when this happened and so I think the Indian tribe is where it ended up and so there's a new casino down there like Alani or something like that. That is where our dairy was. Yeah so that's kind of a bitter sweet deal but There's a couple of dairies Up in the county where I grew up Lewis County That were available at the time. And there's one on Alaska. One and Ethel in. The one ethyl was home. We moved there in two thousand so everybody's still refers to it if they've lived there long enough as the old dairy dairy because that's who lived there before us and they're like oh you live a little dirty during that was twenty years ago but yeah both both of my grandparents were in both sets of my grandparents were in dairy farming and to me into a lot of people their their farms. And they're still there. I actually own the like homeplace of my my mom's parents ways but to the real old timers. There's somebody because they bought them from other people. You Know Sam by them away. All that was the you know and and I can't remember. I'm blind leaders. Dairy was was my Grandpa Hong Coops later so I totally get that and that kind of stuff carries on when the same family can't keep doing share. Did you think about staying with daring? You know I actually did but what I really wanted to do. Was I wanted to bring daring back to Ellensburg valley in this is kind of like a an idea that lasted for maybe six months or something like that. It didn't last that long because the technology that I was wanting to get into something. That probably wouldn't be that attainable for me as an individual and I'd have to find other people that are Gung Ho about it as much as I am. I was like Oh yeah. I'll get bought milk her because I like to travel a lot and go do these things and I ride horses. And do you know things like that but There aren't any dairies in the valley anymore and so that was really strange to me. When I moved here that there wasn't like the local dairy or you know something small you know anything that would make it harder to run a dairy farm here right because there's no like dairy support businesses here and there was somebody that had told me that it was because of Trucks not making it up here from sunny side. Because that's where Derek Plante is or something like The restrictions on waste management Because County is definitely turning. Elif in its political stance. So so I guess we're talking about the Ellensburg area now and like we. We mentioned earlier. I met you at this bar at Kiddo task. Were your bartending. And I just stopped in for a bite to eat and so here we were actually recording out here behind the bar in the empty beer. There's snow on the ground. Yes actually and so if you hear cars trains in the background that's sides so that the reason I mentioned that is how did you end up here from growing up down there in Ethel? I know it's a big transition from small town of Ethel to the small town of catas- of mean well so's looking at colleges and I had gone to plan for research and all that stuff. I was looking for a college that I could Rodeo at and competed in College Rodeo but I also wanted a four year university that I could just knock out the four years and graduate which ended up happening anyway. 'cause I'm on my fifth year but I'm graduating this spring five. I five years. That's in the average no Yeah so that's really. What kind of brought me here and During my first year here I was Kinda thinking about transferring to some more like I was going to leave the state I was pretty set on like. Oh Yeah I'm going to go to Colorado state or go to a little bit more based College somewhere and Ended up staying and then I became a part of the community when I started working at the bar because now I can't go anywhere without somebody recognizing all here the bartender from the time out to central which is in Ellensburg which is what like fifteen minutes from here but you actually came when you came out here you started living right away in Kittitas Live in Ellensburg but for a very short time so it was like for the first year and a half or two years and then I eventually moved out. My address is still Ellensburg but I live out past Kittitas. It's like fifteen minutes from here even. I don't even have Internet there. You know it's one of those type places so why. Why didn't you stay in town gross? I wouldn't say in town. I like being outside. I have horses too. I have horses and I've got six cows here myself. Staying in town is Gross. Yeah well I mean. It's just like your typical college student. You know walking distance from the campus and things like that and I don't I don't really mean it that way you know but Let's to confined. I'm out I have. I'm renting a twenty five acres with two other girls and I have my two horses and my six cows and I have access tune arena and I can go rope whenever I want so. It's way better out here. I pay the price but is way better out here for sure. I WANNA find out about this Rodeo stuff to talk about being younger and into the whole cowgirl thing you wanted to continue that yes what what. What do you do with that? So as far as Rodeo goes At the moment I'm writing a three year old so she is a little slow on the draw when it comes to I mean I'm still doing a little bit of roping on our but she's a little young to be competing on But just this last spring. I sold one of my good horses that I was team. Roping in breakaway roping off of and he was a bang-up little horse but I had to let them go and so I did that. But prior to selling him. I did a lot of Team Roping and breakaway roping in went to rodeos mostly college rodeos in some small jackpots. Here and there and did quite a bit of Mounted shooting on him as well which has become a passion for me as well. It's just so much fun. It's like barrel racing but with guns way better way better. Everybody should give it a try so Rodeo for a lot of people like Woo Rodeo. I think the sense is. It's really unnecessary. And it's abusive of animals. And all these things. What's your response to some of that? I mean I guess one thing I should say. This is a real food. Real people podcast. What does Rodeo have to do with food? Is it even necessary? Well I guess it's a more I would say that Rodeos a little bit more of a showcase of the capabilities of your horse in the Mount of training and practice. I mean animals that we use their animals that love their job. You know the the rough stock that's being bugged out. I mean that's their bread specifically to do that. I mean you put them out in the field and just feed them you know. I mean they're bred specifically for this job and it's not I mean cavs to same thing it's still skills in a way of life connected with producing food though right absolutely like the beef world cowboys absolutely especially in this valley Back home you know. He find more dairy farms over on the west side. Where I grew up in here. People are renting Or getting permits to put their cows out on public land. And there's a lot more acreage for people to push cows around and it's more of a practical sense when you're talking about cowboy like things like that when you're going out in your branding or your Vaccinating and things like that. It's it's it's crucial. We'll even roping is about cattle health. People do think it's a show which the Rodeo stuff is a showcase of that skill root of it. Yeah the root of it is a necessity. Absolutely absolutely what's your favorite thing with Rodeo Probably team roping roping boy. Well so I headed for several years in this last or the source that I've got now she's pretty small and I can't head on her and so I'm really missing team roping and I'm really missing going into. It's just kind of tough but Working through it and I think she'll be big enough that could he'll offer her. Maybe not be ahead horse but Yeah definitely definitely team roping. You're gonNA keep doing Rodeo stuff after college intend to ideal. How do you keep doing that? And you have to be pro to keep going to make money Your Bank Account House and support you know Even in town there's a bunch of small jackpots. That you can keep going to and then you enter in like pay your NPR a NPR or pro-west entries and things like that the smaller smaller. But they're different regions and you can There's a little bit of flexibility but in the northwest. It's IT'S A it's a tough circuit to begin in the Columbia River circuit so so other than keeping Rodeo ing ailing as a hobby or you know maybe some pro stuff. What else are you planning to do? Once you get your degree here and a few months. So my ultimate goal is there's an overpopulation of feral horses down in southwestern United States in general and it's actually encroaching on the Pacific northwest as well and I don't intend to work for the government as suggested by professors the lamb or oh we should work for the forest service or DNR and Granted those jobs are great. And I'm sure of it but they're kind of caught between a rock and a hard place. They're caught up in so many different lawsuits from other advocacy groups. That are just half of their budget is tied up in fighting lawsuits. So a lot of that is not Making any progress so things that are making progress. Our research on Different sterilization ideas are pregnant or birth control like PCP's a is a current thing. I'm going on down there but they are to keep feral horses from reverting right. What's a feral horse? Explain what that really looks like in the real world so I it's technically they're called wild horses and that's a legal term. It's not a it's it's not because they're actually wild. Because every horse that is on that range is of domestic dissent and so the species actual species of them is of domestic dissent and so there are no wild horses. The only wild horse that there is is in Mongolia. And it's called the Pros Wolski source and it's like three feet tall and just a tiny little horse. That's the only wild horse in That's an existence right now and so when I refer to feral horses. It's kind of like a negative term against the law that's The Wild Horse in Borough Act of nineteen seventy and so That needs to be changed. I've never heard of any of this stuff. Really Cool. Well I wish I could tell. Yeah so yes so things along those lines. Things need to be changed. And I'm not advocating for them to be removed or exterminated from the Rangers at all because there is definitely You know a history behind them and they're part of the West and how Spaniards in the old wild was such a short time in history that it just kind of appealing to preserve it that way you know so so you want to help preserve that or you want to help those an like. What really is your dream outcome here with with this issue. Oh It's a pretty controversial topic. So I feel though the the population doubles every four years. And so something needs to be done whether that is sterilization of mayors or people need to quit breeding horses and only adopt feral horses. I'M NOT GONNA make that call because I I buy expensive horses that you know that. Are you know they're well bred and things like that they're bred for what I do and So it's hard to say that there's one solution to it I would say. Conserving not preserving because Preserving what we have out there is not going to be sustainable for the Rangers. Land the people that use it the cattle that are going to be put out on it. just yeah. How did you get into this issue? Like how did it catch your passion? I spent some time in Utah Awesome. Feral horses talked to some locals in the area about how they felt about it. And then They very strongly. WanNa wanted them removed and Kind of where? I grew up. A lot of people. Were buying horses from slaughter to take up to Canada or Mexico or things like that so it was just kind of S- not something that was totally new to me because that always kind of been around it because the stock contractor or he knew somebody. Somebody knew somebody. Oh that Horsey you know something like that in. It's illegal to do that by the way and so it's just kind of something that struck me as a problem that needs to be addressed in needs to be addressed in a fashion that encourages learning so the biggest controversy between the thing is a lot of the people that are fighting for the rights of the horses are They've never seen a horse. They've never pet horse author just so beautiful the black beauty or things like that. They don't think of a horse that is essentially starving itself out because there's nothing for its eat on the range. There's no water. We're on a drought. There's nothing there for it it starves. That's not humane. Know exactly so what? It's the balance between the two and like closing the gap in the knowledge. I mean there's it could go on forever I could. What did you study in college? What's your degree? Environmental Resource Geography with a certification in natural resource management and a certification geospatial information systems. That's a mouthful. So what kind of stuff for you doing academically then to get that kind of what are you studying? What you'll learn it It's kind of like a hybrid of like difference. Different biology's different chemistries. Different geology geography climatology. That's a classic taking right now. Let's kick my butt but It's kind of a broad mixture of everything that you would find an environment From resources to whether that impact the resources and the actions of industries in it's just all encompass water resource. It's just a it's a big broad. Bs You mean Bachelor of Science yes. That's exactly right okay. Got It what earlier we were talking. And you're like yeah. You're kind of planning on leaving the state maybe not forever. Yeah why do you WANNA leave Washington other than this horse thing? Are you like done with Washington or what? Well as much as I love Washington. I've spent a fair amount of time up in the mountains and the cascades Admiral Rainier and it's a beautiful state. You get a little bit of everything from volcanoes to rainforest desert says the ocean. It's a beautiful state. I do love it but I have been impacted by As I mentioned once before kind of the politics the prices and the people why is that changing in Washington? Do you think I would say the growth of urban population? What does that do to farming? Minimizes it I mean the growth of Seattle. I mean they're moving outward. We're getting people here in Kittitas County Population I mean. You'll find a lot of people coming from Seattle their doctor from Seattle and they have a house in Ellensburg and they commute every day. Because it's easier to commute from ellensburg than it is from Olympia. You know so And then from then moving here let changes completely. The dynamic of every yeah. The political dynamic is completely altered not only from the expansion of urban areas but also from the college as well so I would yeah. What are some of the pressures on farming? What happens with these books with different people in the mix like you're describing development of farmland the minimizing of all this farmland that. I mean this valley is number one number two top pay export in the country and we were getting all these people from Seattle. Oh Yeah we've got this nice thirty or thirty acre law in we're we're going to develop it or you know even if they get their hands on some more expensive bigger. Hayfield you know they're not going to sit on it. They're not going to continue farming there. That's a goal. Ellensburg is beautiful. Let's move there. It's only an hour and a half two hours from Seattle. But I thought you're in college. Basically in kind of an environmental program right. Shouldn't you be carrying about the environment? This is why my department doesn't like me like. Oh Darn you got Lydia in your class. This time. I'm so sorry. She sits up front raises. Her hand has something to say about everything. Yeah it definitely is a struggle well in my department. They do a pretty good job of keeping the balance between politics in a relatively unbiased. But yeah there's definitely something that needs to be done as far as conservation of the farmland in this valley especially. Yeah what what needs to be done to protect the environment here in Washington from your vantage point studying this academically that is a tricky question because some people are saying farming isn't good for the environment and that's one of the issues that they want to look at. Should we be doing farming or doing farming? The way that we're doing it here in the state while I would start off with saying farmers are stewards of the land. It doesn't I mean regardless of whether farmers out to make money you're not it's If they don't take care of their land if they're not rotating crops if they're not Treaty in the land if they're not replenishing nutrients that they've taken out by planning the specific crop or something along those lines They it'll affect their crop in in the long run and their property in the long run and I mean I experienced that growing up over on the west side we grew. Hey on an old tree. Farm and tree farms are very acidic. And so we had to. We always did. Chicken Manure was the most common thing in our area so to kind of balance that out and kind of bring up the PH levels Definitely have to be proactive in that. I guess proactive in how you're treating the land because in the long run it's going to affect how your crops are GonNa turn out. How are you going to killed? But what it's what are the price is going to be like you know. Gain your farming background. How much attention. How much time have you spent on the whole soil health issue? I mean that's what you're touching on there a stupid amount. We grew our own We had halo. We were feeding Haley. So I'll grown. Hey legend barley as well that we ground up and mixed with cracked corn. And what's the future for your family's farm so at this time? Both of my parents are retired and they're They got out of during the year that I moved to college. And I have to say that. That's a little heartbreaking. Because I felt like I was responsible for it No matter how many times they'll tell me no you need to go like. Oh do what you need to do. Type thing and But the farm is still being ran. It's been leased out by a younger dairy farmer and he's running Our farm as an organic dairy as well as two other dairy farms one other is also organic and the conventional So he's keeping that going which is impressive. Because that's three dairies. I don't know if I could let alone one but I'm sure I mean he's got quite a bit of hired hands. But how did the whole organic thing go? What did you think of that? How did your parents make that work So when we got into it we're kind of ahead of the curve so it was kind of before everybody was like. Oh go organic. It was before all of that and so when we were in it it was it was good for our family and we were doing well and It it was a really long process so I have to tell you we had to get our land certified that we were making the hey on which is not in the same location as where dairy was and so just getting that certified and then we'd have to fence off our fences like six feet in because our neighbors sprayed there whatever you know. And so getting the cows certify getting the land certified it was just quite the process. I think it was like six years. Maybe before we could become certified organic better. At least I guess in dairy terms. Because that's what you've experienced firsthand dairy terms. I mean. It's a nice idea. I guess but As far as the quality of milk being produced I would argue that it is probably on the same playing field Organic milk conventional milk. I mean I always drink at raw so i. I don't know what Y'all at the store. No I'm teasing but I I mean we did always drink at Roz. Yeah scrape the cream off the top and put it in your coffee in the morning after it separates out it was like I said there's no better childhood. What's been the hardest thing with growing up a farm kid and getting to this point where we are now hardest. I would say probably just a difference in like my peers so I don't really identify very easily with other twenty three year old girls in my liking classes at school like they're like. Oh Yeah I'm going to this party. I'm like going home to ride my horse type that you know. I don't I don't I wasn't really. Yeah I feel like I'm a little bit older than my actually age and I think that's because I was raised in this fashion that led me to be more mature and I don't want sound conceited when I say those things but it's like I feel like Yeah I don't buy very easily with people my age because of the differences in our childhood upbringings. And it's just A. It's very strange to me too. Because I don't I don't know where they're coming from. You know the did totally different things. When they're growing up they got to travel when they're young. They got to leave the farm team. I know I know how that is. I grew up on a red raspberry farm so yes. Summertime was not a time for vacation. Well thank you so much for opening up and sharing your story. Best of luck to you on what you're doing next you ever think about getting back into actual farming being a farmer yourself. Yes I I miss it I yeah. I definitely have considered it especially with this. Most recent starting up a dairy thing and my dad's dream has always been to you know Bottle and sell organic raw milk. And I don't know I guess it. Kinda rubbed off on me too because I just think that would be so cool to have your own dairy and then have the same store on the same place and people will come to your farm and you could give him farm tours and kind of educate them about where your milk comes from and node chocolate. Milk doesn't come from brown cows and you know something something like that. Yeah it's definitely fantasy but maybe someday I plan on having my own garden and greenhouse in my own cows. I'LL BE DAMNED. If I'm not drinking raw milk out of the tank when I'm settled or something. Well good luck to you and again really appreciate you being willing to share your story or with this random guy showed up at here at the time out time out saloon tasks Washington. Yep Thank you so much. Absolutely thank you. This is the real food real people. 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Andrew Eddie part 1 | #032

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48:55 min | 8 months ago

Andrew Eddie part 1 | #032

"I reached a point where I was I was done. I didn't WANNA farm. I thought farming was probably one of the worst things I could do. This is the real food real people podcast. Deciding to grow food to become a farmer is a huge decision for most people that do it and this week's guest. definitely That's part of his story where he didn't want to be a farmer, even though he grew up around it and we hear the so many times people who grow up around farming and decide they are done within usually when they're ready to go to college or something like that and so many people then come back to it later and see it with different eyes. That's the story of this week's guest. He grows food, but not food that people eat. We're going to jump into his world, which is hey, he grows hay to feed animals, and his hey shipped all over the world, but it's grown here in Washington state in Moses Lake Andrew Eddie is his name with aren't h farms. We have great chat out in a field. We actually have a full video available. If you WANNA, follow US subscribe on Youtube a real food. Real people just search us up on Youtube and you can see the full video because you know we have. Planes flying over people driving by wind blowing over our microphones, because the whole interview was done on a pickup tailgate in a Hayfield literally, so you couldn't see that there if you want to. Hear that as you listen to our conversation as some interruptions come from time to time. Please enjoy I'm dillon coupe. This is the real food. Real people podcast documenting my journeys across Washington state to hear from and really get to know the people behind our food here in Washington. I've never done. An interview in field before. What is? What's this field? That were in here well. We're in the corner ALFALFA fields. Here in Beautiful Moses Lake Washington, It's nice and sunny out today me and my little bit of clouds it's it's a little dark right now, but About the first sunny day we've Haddon. Five six days. You guys have kind of been battling the weather. Yeah Yeah. Mother Nature is definitely decided that she isn't too happy. I don't know. She just got cooped up with corona for too long. Or what the deal is, but she decided she was going to make it known that she she still around She hasn't left, so you know we're. We're rolling with the punches and we'll see what happens, so you guys grow? Hey, is that pretty much? You're just a hey operation. Yeah, we We're just afforded operation so minus minus one hundred acres of corn. Actually okay, we just planted this year we're just using it kind of as a rotational crop just kind of give her soil a little break on alfalfa grass so we, we Yeah, we got about you know minus two trucks driving by We just wave. we got probably about thirteen hundred acres of total crop and that's all forages so Technically we are not technically we try to. Of course. Get the highest quality we can out of our crop, and most of it. We shoot for kind of export quality, so we try for you know. Try to make the best that we can. With what we got, and where we're GONNA set up so Yeah, that's kind of where where that's at. So what does what does export-quality mean? Export quality is just I mean kind of the. I it it all varies I. mean exporters take a wide variety of stuff you know there's a need for supreme premium feeder dairy It kinda depends on. What they're kind of looking for so it's kind of broad, but we just try of course for the highest quality Most. Everybody tries for highest quality but like we were talking about earlier is about ninety five percent of our product goes for export compared to some guys that just shoe for the domestic market, and like local retail sales or anything like that our biggest thing is we take it. We sell to export, and they ship it overseas to wherever their customers are what they need. So what happens to that? Hey, then after so after we we put in the stack or put it into a bail. Put in the stack they will come and buy it holly into their pressing facility There's a bunch of pressing facilities located in Ellensburg which is about an hour and change away from here, or there are some local oppressors here or tri cities just kind of all around the state, so they'll take it. They'll press down to whatever package the customer wants. And then they'll put it in a shipping container and ship it where it needs to go, so whether that's Japan. Saudi Arabia UAE China I. Mean Pretty much all over the world. So pressing it, that's like you take. Think people are familiar with like a hail Yep. And there's small bales I. think that's what most people would be familiar with which are like yeah. Yeah. And then there's a little bit bigger ones in that. There's also big meals like actually you're on the right right behind the camera, so people can't see that. So which ones are you actually sent and they they take bales, and just like squish him down that much farther. Yeah, there's a there's actually a bunch of different Different packages that they can do. solitaire a by four foot by eight foot, long bail, and compressive down. They can do half cut asleep ballet they can do. a double compressed single compressed. There's a ton of different package. You know that they can do to get it down to for the most part, most of go about to package about gay big which is like a I think a fifty k. g. package and they'll stack them all shipping containers, and then that's. That's how they get over there so Yeah, what are all these planes flying around here? Yeah, we're We're pretty close to. The airport and the military enjoys flying over interrupting a super important interviews. Yeah so they here when a podcast is happened, that's right. Yeah, yeah, the here when you're trying to sleep the here when you know important, stuff's happening. Yeah, skip quick, scramble some cargo plane. That's right erupt. Yeah, yeah, no so. All kidding aside now they They fly around all day every day, so we actually get to see some pretty cool stuff. Yeah! Fighter jets flew over earlier today and Nothing says America more like some fighter jets flying over But yeah, no. It kind of is all dependent on what the overseas customer wants for a package and. It all depends on what they're using it for two so those bales that you're squeezing Dan. How much do they weigh? initially yeah, when so when we get them in in our bales can be anywhere from our barley, a little over thousand pounds to thirteen hundred pounds fourteen pounds all over a half ton yet, Hey! And then they squeeze that down into like what's the smallest that they can squeeze that down oh? Man, you're asking me a bunch of tough questions. I probably should ask if. If any. If any of our buyers washes, I'm sorry. I Apologize. I've been doing this long enough I. Probably should know but Today is one of those days. I think the smallest package is probably a fifty kilogram. Okay I think okay, so they actually like break up into smaller. What they'll actually do is, they'll take the bail. They'll cut all the strings off of it. They'll put it into their thing, and they'll slice it, and then they'll take him put it in the press in hydraulic rams taken push it altogether pops out, and it's magical. It's magic. Nobody knows how it works. And then they feed it to their animals wherever they are. Yeah. Yeah, and then they'll taking you know like I? Said, put it in a shipping container, and that's kind of kind of what they do. So, what's the key to making really good animal feed? Hey. Mother Nature Cooperating. The best way possible it. All kind of depends I, mean you know. Yeah whether weather's a big thing. Nutrition is a big thing. just paying attention to what you got gopher crops. Paying attention to. Water and Fertilizer Nutrient plans things like that and just management. It's pretty much the biggest thing and then hopefully Mother Nature Plays Nice with you so a lot of your nutrients for your. Hey, actually comes from a newer. they can. It all depends, so it all depends on the growers program to There's I mean there's something to be said about about manure especially for Alfalfa things like that. Dry Fertilizer liquid fertilizers. Kinda Kinda the general general thing so but that's that's kind of where where that comes from so. So or liquid manure? Some people do that, too. Yeah it all. It all depends on grower preference Sarah Everything Kinda everyone kind of has what works for them, so the manure that you would fertilize the crops with comes from where. it depends on kind of where you get it from I. Mean there's a bunch of dairies up here. You know if you want liquid manure, there's also a bunch of feedlots, so we can get screened. Stare Manure for pretty readily available. You know so it all again in all kinds of pens on who and what and why and what the prices? And then you're Gatien to. You've got to like water. All these you know may have health, Alpha and grasses that you grow. Yeah, so luckily for us. We're we're on the Columbia Basin your project, so we have surface water available, so we can go up and fire switch. Get the pivot going and we're good to go. You know we do have some wheel lines. We've got some headlines, but nothing nothing too major so It's pretty pretty nice to be able to flip it on and just kind of consistent water. All the way crossed so. Let's a lot better than hand lines, which yeah for people who aren't familiar with that and I learned that at a young age, the joy of changing hand line, which is the actual pipes, and you pick them up one twenty or thirty foot pipe at a time. Move it over however many feet. You're going thirty feet. Whatever the next section of the main line is the riser? If that make sense to anybody I. Don't know, but it has a lot of work. I'm surprised you. You guys still. What is that just? If you have like a corner of field or we, we actually just have one one field that is. Like two corners that we water with headlines, and then we have I think we have two or three sets a wheel lines, which is the same concept except luckily as motor on it, so you can roll it Yep Roland Park hit. But pivots I mean because the other thing about pivots is they're? They're efficient, so you know they're fishing on water. They're efficient on water pattern. And they cover ground. You know one thing about pivots. One downfall is. There's a little more to fix so so pivots are these things that if you're flying over farm country, you see the circles and that's where we'll talk about farming a circle. And then the allegation. The water comes up in the middle of the circle. And then there's the big framework that goes out with all the sprinklers on it and it just Kinda goes around. YEP, MIT! How long does it take for one of those two to go around a circle? It all depends I mean. If it were to go full full hog on one hundred thirty eight I. mean it all depends on machine to. Say just standard pivot. Could take seven hours six hours go one hundred thirty acres all the way, round complete revolution, but it all depends on. There's different now. There's different gearboxes to so different gearboxes different senator drives that you could actually make There's one company that actually makes senator drives in gearboxes that actually doubles the speed. It's constantly moving, and so it can actually cover would normally take like seven hours and cover it in like four, so they don't normally. Normally constantly move like they move a little bit. Czar Ankle, and then move a little bit more and kind of keep going around the circle. They still move, but it's kind of all in succession, so the tower is the lead tower kind of takes off and second one follows, and then it will stop for a little bit. Let it all catch back up in kind of stay in a line the okay, the pieces move separately, yeah! Yeah, yeah out on out on the end so technically your last hour moves further than your. You know first hour because that one. Point when you're driving by you, see way more water coming out of the outside yet, oftentimes than the inside ones. Yeah, and it also has more ground to cover, too, so the inside. Ones have less so the nozzles are smaller because they don't need much water down, so You're outside. Ones are going to be a whole lot. You know. Put a whole lot more waterdown. Span? This is all new to me. Because I grew up around farming, but it was in western Washington and we do that. They're right. I mean there are just a few pivots, or over on that side of the my Mother Nature Mother Nature cooperates with you guys via well. The and and the fields are way smaller. Right and so people will use online, or we align or big guns or drip, irrigation, or yeah, just hope and pray for rain at the right time, and not a wrong time. So is that is that growing Hayes at the biggest challenge is just trying to get the the rain when you wanted and the dry hot weather, 'cause. That's what you need to like dry. The hey out after you cut it right. Yeah I, mean I I'd say that's probably about ninety. Ninety two percent of the challenge is just whether I mean it it. It can take a good crop and turn it into pretty bad. You know pretty quick So what is it? What is it due to it so? For Alfalfa, especially it it'll take, and if it if it rains on enough, it'll actually start washing nutrients out of it, so not only will start bleaching it and cause it to lose color, which is kind of a portion of how customers by it It will actually start washing the nutrients of the plant. So you're veal, go down! Your digestible nutrients will go down your all that kind of stuff that they that buyers or dairies and stuff WanNa see, is you know the most nutrient value most nutrition for their animals to eat? Yeah, so it. It kind of just you know takes away on that on grass. Especially on Timothy so timothy is very It's bought on color a little bit on feed value depending on where it goes and stuff like that, but it's it's primarily bought on color and look and things like that, so you get a little bit of rain, it and you know here we are you know your your turn into a product where it's automatically lower grade, you know and it can go from premium to number one number two quality. Quality and a matter of a couple of hours. Wow, so a little shot a rain, and what's the map end? What's the value difference like percentage wise? How much money can lose a couple hours? The wrong rain I I mean you could lose about probably about fifty percent. So you know about half its value, you could just sit there and watch you know as off the windshield and yeah, it all depends. You know everything has a home, but everything has a home for a certain price too so. When I was a kid, both of my my GRANDPA's while grandparents, because they both ran the farms GRANDPA and grandma. Had, they had dairy farms and my one gram in particular. My Dad's dad was very much into feeding his cows Al, almost exclusively other than other nutrients, but he didn't do like silage or glare anything. He got eastern Washington Alfalfa from here, and he would come out and like look at the field, and he wanted to write no that he was getting the the best stuff for his cows and and. And this is where he would come. You talk about Timothy. Though like what are they feeding with? Timothy? That's not going to be like for dairy. Cows, right Yeah, it can be. It can be murder. Their TM are yeah. They yeah they'll take. Yeah, they'll take and put it in. Their mixed ration a lot of dairies and China I'll take it. Japan things like that But Timothy has a wide a wide use. I think of like feeding horses when I think Timothy Right yeah. Horses you know horses are kind of the biggest. Everybody's like. Oh, they feed it to race horses. That's correct. They also feed it to camels guinea pigs. Gerbils anything like that any. Any kind of animal they'll del eat it i. mean it's it's pretty good so Yeah, that's kind of. It's. It all depends like I, said it all depends on what customers taken it and You know how they WANNA use it. Things like that, so have you gotten the chance to visit any these customers out around the globe? Now No. The hey goes to that will be. I think that would be really fascinating so kind of segue going into that so currently Were were part of the Washington State Higer Association. as you might be able to tell. Shameless plug. It's fun so I'm current Vite, vice president, and then our current president actually went overseas here last year. visited a bunch of the dairies and stuff, and and things like that so at some point that will probably be on the docket. Maybe once all this you know maybe maybe twenty, twenty, one, twenty, two, twenty, five i. who knows when this close it, you'll Sunday. You'll get to go there but yeah, no and You know we've we've been doing this. We've been doing this awhile, so we've kind of You know we've met. Met, some of the customers when they come here and they'll say. Oh, yeah, you know we. We like your product or we like this we can we can. We see that you know So? That makes us feel good because we're like okay, we have. We have repeat customers, not just people buying directly from us, but people that are buying you know through US tag rally so I always thought it was impressive that my grandma would come all the way. Dairy farmer from western Washington would come all the way over to eastern Washington to check out his hey. Little bit more impressive. Come all the way from China. Right to check out your but I guess that's how important it is to them to get good quality. It's worth the trip. Yeah, yeah, no and they take in you know they trust their. They trust the buyers. Trust the exporters on what product they're getting them but they also like to comply is on it because. You know things kind of excuse me. Things Change Change, when you actually put is on it, you can send pictures. You can make it, you know. Look Pretty but at the end of the day. If you put is on, and you're like oh I, don't really like this part of the bail or I don't really like a head size or i. don't like There's not enough leaf. There's too much stam-, their super, thin or brittle. They're I mean there's a million things that you know they can part and be like well. You know we want it for this price or all. This looks really good. We want it for a little higher so. Actually. Say That No. We hold that. Thought. You're probably going to come in and say hey, this is awesome. Hey, here's the PRIOETTA NSA. Yeah, will you take twenty five percent less than that and you'll be like How how much negotiating goes on with this kind of stuff? Oh, I mean the exporters sit there constantly negotiate about it they'll offer it out and they'll see what they say, and they'll do probably three or four counteroffers, and see what happens, I? Mean it all depends. We just We just sold some today that you know. They offered out couple of times and. And three or four or five negotiations. You know middle of the night. 'cause time difference, A- yeah true. They're like. Hey, here's here's what we got like. This is a product. Here's where we need to be at. Here's where my grower needs to be at. Here's where I need to be at to make some money. Here's where you here's where you got to be. You know and see if it kind of fits in where they're where they're thinking. So, how many acres are you guys growing? Hey, on we have thirteen hundred acres, and then we do another probably thirteen hundred acres worth of customer so total total for last year we covered probably eighty five hundred acres well interior year after all four cuttings ALFALFA. So custom work meaning one. We just we go, and we work with another custom guy will actually go cut, and then he'll, he'll rake in Bela. 'cause the the farm that you know farm the has the ground doesn't have the equipment to do it I see so they contract hired out, and you know we go new that I that's like half of the acres. You covers custom work, yeah! Yeah well. Yeah, pretty much it kind of varies a little bit depending on what their rotations at, but for the most part. That's kind of kind of where round so yeah, it's it keeps US busy. The machines not rolling. Stop paying for itself, so it's true you know you know. Employees aren't cheap labor cheap. You'll not cheap equipment definitely isn't cheap so You gotTA supplemental. but it also keeps you know keeps definitely keeps us busy, so. How did you guys get into this? Farming is all. Or Hey farming specifically so we're not always do hey, farming or what? What's the family background so family background? Technically I'm. I say I'm second generation. Hey, farmer! My GRANDPA. He had the ground he used to work kind of offer I mean he did anything and everything he was a fireman. He was a lumber. Jackie was a quality control specialist somewhere I mean he's done. A multitude of things end up with farm ground, so he kind of formed a little bit, but my dad pretty much. pretty much started the place but he used to work for a another. Hey, grower here in the local area and he worked for him for twenty five years and then things just weren't working out, so he decided I. I'm GonNa try to do this on my own so. like I, said my my Granddad, some ground And my dad said Hey I. WanNa, I WANNA start farming? So they started with about two hundred acres pretty much right kind of where we're sitting out right now, and since then and that was probably. Twelve years ago eleven years ago, and since then we've grown from two hundred acres to thirteen, fourteen, hundred well with. Five five or six employees probably total by the time you get, you know through everything so Yeah I was is pretty much. My Dad he's he's been around. Hey, for a long time. so I mean even around. Hey, for do some Quick Mental Math Abi thirty four years. He's been around, so so when did you? When did you start? Furman? Yeah, so you know born into it, so that's always that's always good you know they say the biggest challenges with family. Farming is putting up with your family. You Love Your family. You know you do, but it takes a special kind of nutcase to to WANNA. Willingly coming work to right You know you, you heads every once in a while. Ninety five percent of the time But You know you make it work so I. I was working here just summers and stuff like that doing. You know do a normal farm to ask things like that and then. I reached a point where I was. I was done I. Didn't farm I thought farming was probably. One of the worst things I do which is which is bad to say because it And the wind is blowing our microphone over here. We'll. We'll do that So. I was like no. I can't do this I. I can't work with family. I'm. Not GonNa Farm I. Don't like it. It's terrible. Blah Blah Blah you know this was when you were. How old is about eighteen? So you know it kind of it was it was a key time. Yeah, to be making some decisions, yes. I'm going to go. Do something else and you know. My parents were supportive and they're like okay. do what you want. so I applied to go to school at the University of Oregon and. And took about a month and a half to get back to me and I had a couple other offers. You know a couple of other places to do random things you know. I thought thought I was going to engineering, and that was going to do this and then realize that's a whole lot of math and a whole lot of thinking. My brand couldn't handle. For Yeah Oh be the first to admit. Yeah so I'm just like now. You know. Let's not do that. So I waited and waited got into the Oregon didn't want to. Wind down there had two years left I already got. My associates degree from local community college. And I didn't know what I WANNA. Do I got down there? I ended up signing up for some journalism classes. And I was literally sitting in a I think it was like A. Two Oh one class, so you know I introductory class that was like media studies. And I'm sitting there and I'm going. Advertising things not too bad. It looks pretty good. You know Saws like you know I'm going for it so I ended up getting a degree in. Journalism communications the emphasis in advertising. And then it got down to try to find jobs. Pretty much everybody who went to school with God jobs at Nike. You know big old AD agencies. All this other stuff and I'm just like Erin in Oregon, too so yeah I'm like here I. Am like what what do I want to do? And I was like all right well. Go back to the farm. Shouldn't be too bad. I got back here and I'm like. Why did I leave really I? It was that. Apparent Yeah and don't get me wrong I enjoy the whole advertising world, I enjoy all that of stuff but. I think Fan Club, he has driven by multiple time. Yeah, they wants to watch the PODCAST. Bosses. Driving around wasn't doing that guy. Is The boss man. Your Dad didn't recognize them. Yeah, so no I left in. Taoist kind of that was kind of a and so I came back and I'm like this is what I wanNA. Do you know I enjoy growing crops and I? Enjoy doing this and I enjoyed you that so let's. Let's make it happen. You know ever since then been back So, what did you dad say? He's like I didn't say much. And he was happy to. Have you come during the operation? Yeah, he's happy the first couple of years. We're a little rough. You know getting back into you know. Hey, you know I went off and did this so I know. not really you know completely, but it was just kind of you know one of those deals. Where like Hey, I, you know. How `Bout we do it this way what we do it that way now we're at a decent spot where we're getting a whole long a whole lot better we make things work better because we do have different views on how to do things or we do have different thought processes when doing something so i. think that's one of the one of the biggest things but I'll tell anybody. that. If. You're wanting to farm especially with family. Anything go do something else comeback because you learn a lot more when you're gone then when you're there because I think. If you stick her in this kind of with any job Wise words of wisdom with Andrew Today but You know I think this is with any job is the fact that? You get in a comfort zone. You get a comfort zone your life. You get a covered with your job, so you're like. Oh, well not to change anything, and then you get out there and you. Experience different things experience different people, and how they do things to get a certain tests done and you're like. Hey I'm going to try that like Oh. Why don't why don't I think about that so I think? Getting somebody out of their comfort zones biggest thing for sure so I. Think Nelson, staring at me. I think that's the biggest thing is like You know is get out of Your Comfort Zone I. Think you learn more out of your comfort zone than you do in so that's Kinda Kinda the biggest thing. Anything specifically that you take away from your education that changes, maybe how you do your work now i. Mean People think well? It's a far cry from a communications degree, right? Now I think I you know I. Think it shifting to I. Think the the push now is especially. is being active on social media and things like that and show you know showing our story like we're not just some you know boy till you. Big All farmers like. We're. We're actually doing a job that like takes a whole lot more than okay. Let it grow. You know like even when I was explaining earlier, it's like Oh, we just pull water on. It plus fertilizer is done. It's a little more than that. It's not you can't. Somebody can do it, but it all depends on how and what and so No I think I think the biggest thing is Is Yeah, it's. Communication is of course, the backbone of pretty much anything I mean communications backbone of As a win picks up a little bit but you. You hate people. You Love Win. This what makes your Hei Awesome for sure? Yeah, No I think communication of course is kind of the backbone of relationships you know negotiations for buyers anything like that or even relationships with field. You know, feel the ground, mess or things like that. So it Kinda ate it all comes down to it, but you know the be. The biggest thing is especially with like social media's the fact that. we have the opportunity and platform to share story right so that's kind of the biggest thing for me. Is it's it's allowing us as a as an operation to kind of showcase. Hey, here's what we do. We're not saying it's perfect. We're not saying it's the best thing ever. We're not saying. We're absolutely right, but. Here's what we do. Here's why we do it. Here's our thought process. Maybe somebody else. Take it or maybe semi. It'd be like hey, why don't why don't you try this sir? Have you ever tried this? You know things like that like all have olive growers reach out You know it'd be like. Hey, what? What do you normally put down in your timothy? Or what are you trying to enough off of? That looks really good or things like that. You know it gives me a certain sense of pride, and it gives us while not so much. The social social media mogul over there that search twitter all day, but You know It gives it gives me a certain sense pride because it's like. Hey, you know. Here's what we're doing. Somebody's recognizing. Hey, like that's. That's pretty sweet. You know I, think you know we can do something so I think Yeah, it just gives it's a whole new avenue you know we can kind of a different way and say Oh, you know here's here's what we got. Here is showing you the inner workings of and Alfalfa operation or a forge operation so i? Think that's Kinda. Cool I mean I, it's. It's a challenge for sure here you know last week. It was raining that was it. It was raining. And you know that that takes a big old blow to our ego. Our know confidence because I. Mean we are losing money but in the scheme of things it's not as tough as some of these other growers that like potato contracts that are currently you know were cut the beginning of the year and things like that like they're the ones that are suffering super. You know a lot. Yeah, you know so that was that was kind of my point is like I. Know Show all the good stuff. But, we're also human. We make mistakes. So. Yeah, you had a good video post about that, asked graeme. Yeah, it was. It was one of those days where you just kind of had to let it out. You know what I mean like. You had to talk to somebody and if there's nobody talked to listen, you just talk to yourself right? Yeah, so I think that's the biggest thing like. You know yeah, it's tough, but will recover and you know there's there's some growers out there that it is a big hit. You know they can't. They can't absorb some of these things you know you start talking. Losing one hundred two hundred bucks a ton. You Know Val, probably about one hundred hundred bucks ton. That's that's a big deal. You know that's the end of the day. That's all. That's a lot of money that we're talking about you. Know and I even talked to. Some of you know some of some potato growers in the local area. And one of the guys go put four thousand dollars an acre into potato ground, and I have to plant sweet corn or beans or peas and I'm GonNa. Make a single penny back from what I already put into would he's not going to be able to make as much as they had already spent on. Yeah, and he goes as what I have to do. GonNa, make it work. I have no idea, but that's that's what it is. You know so you know we get. We get a little bit of rain yet it. It's a punch in the gut for sure but especially when some of the best looking stuff that we had that was ready to go right before it rained but yeah I. Think I think yeah. I thought your post was on point. Not just about farming, but about anybody on social media. That's kind of the phenomenon. Shows the best part of their life right, and so it makes everybody else feel like. Oh, my life socks right. But the reality is everybody has a lot of crappy stuff. Hundred percent I mean that's that's the thing is like. You know yeah, and I think that's one of the biggest one of the biggest. what what's the word I'm looking for? That's one of the biggest drawbacks of social media, but it's also one of the biggest points that we can start to. Address is the fact that it may look all purdy in pretty nice and everybody. You know the other side of the crassus greener on the other side of the fence. In you might want start digging a little deeper and I think that's my point is like we. We make mistakes. We're not perfect. You know we have. We have miss applications on you know chemical, or you know you know. Our crop doesn't grow or anything like that like it happens or Mother Nature. Kicks us in the button. Says You were feeling good. Yeah, here you are. Here's a little slice of humble pie right. So. I think social media is a double edged sword for sure, and I think the biggest challenge. Nobody wants to share the bad stuff nobody wants to says hey. I'm messed up like simple as that like they all well because they're worried, number one. They don't WanNa. Look dumb, right and number two. I mean if you're doing business. You're worried that your customers are going to be like. Oh, I don't know if I trust them anymore. Right but I mean and I and I think the biggest thing is is closing that gap between wear. Where customers and US are at and getting people kinda closer because the thing about it is like even even some overseas customers. They were like Oh, well. We've never actually seen alfalfa going to bail. How does that work yeah? Here's videos like. Technology and all that kind of stuff is great. You know you couldn't do that in the past I mean you could. And and as far as like admitting to things, not going perfectly with our generation. That's kind of what we're into like Ryan was. Don't trust somebody. Things are too perfect. Right because it's like that's gotta be fake. Yeah, or like Oh. That's not that's not actually actual reality like right. What is reality so reality is doing a podcast and having wind pickup that's right and jets fly over and people drive by and people. Call you on the phone and the best working on equipment and behind you. That's reality pickups dirty I mean a bunch of stuff, but you know and I think that's the biggest thing is like you know. I've I've had people say hey like? Thanks thanks for sharing the bat. You know the bad. And I go. It's not even close to being terrible like I can say here and complain all day about what goes wrong, but you look at other things in the world and you're like. Well that I you said it earlier now you're saying it again and that's something that farmers are really good at is, and it goes along with that farmer optimism. It's that while things could be worse. Yeah, hi, yeah, until I have to do that otherwise, you couldn't survive. Oh, yeah, we're. We're the biggest pessimists you've ever met in your life. Like no joke, we'll look at something we'll be like. Oh, man! That's probably the worst quality stuff I've ever put up put. An optimist because you're going to try for it what we'll be like how that's. That's terrible and something to come by and be like. That's probably the best stuff I've looked at so far and you're like all right cool. You know you can be an optimist here. You'll end up being fine, but the thing is like you reach a point where yet eight kicks in the shorts and you're like. I just WanNa go home and cry like you know I mean. It's it's fine if gonNA cry. But it's also like one of those deals where it's like. You know. What can we do about it? There's nothing we can do about Mother Nature. If it's something that we messed up, we can fix it. Mother Nature comes through. It's out of control I mean. You can sit there and say over many hail Marys you want. Matter. You know about what's going on. You know so and and the biggest thing. especially. This year is predictability on whether. They're passing many I mean you know it's been either ten percent chance and it rains. Yeah, or it's you know seventy percent chance sunny, yeah! It it all kind of bent. Such as the way of farming such as the way far, what's been the hardest time for you so far, Farman? What's the most challenging thing oh? Man Probably I mean one of the most challenging things of course trying to juggle home, life and farm life. Yeah, that's the biggest thing You know we've put in long hours. You know farmers put in long hours. Dairy guys put in long hours. Things like that. It's it's balancing. How much your work and how much your own so And also for for me, so my wife works at the at the hospital She's labor and delivery nurse, Cayenne Social Work Nights and I work days. Yeah, ever see each other. Never see each other and win. She's working I'm not working. You know she's not working. I'm working so it just. Kinda you know. We got two kids at home so. So that's kind of that's kind of the biggest thing you know I take him out and be like. Hey, we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Go check like we're GONNA go just drive around, you know. Get them out of house, but also like daddy daycare and a pickup I go work. Here's some fruit snacks. We'll turn on. You know frozen. We'll be fine, but. I've listened to my fair share of frozen truck here but it's. It's really sad when you're off topic a little bit when we're driving around, the kids aren't in the truck and the frozen still playing and you don't notice and you're like. I, really hope nobody pulls. Let's turn on some AC DC. A little awkward farmer Guy Shows Up, and you're listening to frozen, yeah. It was for my household. It would be bubble, guppies or patrol or something. Yeah, yeah, probably mine, too. Yeah, yeah, now, my my kid My kid definitely definitely enjoys yeah. Enjoys well I grew up on the seat of a tractor myself. My Dad was accustomed farmer when I was quite young. That was I'd ride along with dad until he was doing something. That was too rough. Tableau kid and you know like if he was ripping some rough ground or something with the tractors like mom's GonNa. Come pick you up. You GotTa Get out now right? I don't want you to whack your head on the steering wheel. Obviously older tractor less room, no actual buddy seat. It was just fold the armrest down. Yeah, and the old forty two forty. Out The fender, the fender trigger making sure you don't slip off on the tire. Yeah, been there been there many times with Yeah, with my dad. and I think that's the biggest thing is like you know. My wife and I talk a whole bunch. You know I. Try to go home as Readily I can I try to balance that life. It is absolutely probably one of the hardest things to do with you know Getting, getting our guys to do whatever and getting equipment fixed and things like that I mean that's. I I hate to say it's easy, but it's just kind of a thing we do now you know it, it's A. It's a processor so Yeah, I think the biggest thing is just finding that time. And Your busiest time is in the summertime when everybody else in the world size. That's when we should be going on vacation right right right? So that was my growing up to like I grew up on a red raspberry farm. Harvest raspberries in July you do not do anything else right well. Not You certainly don't even mention going on vacation. Last no, no, yeah, Even though you can get very. Between, cuttings yeah yeah we can get. Yeah, we can sneak away for a little while I'm on vacation next week, but that's that's beside the point You know we were planning on being done for full. disclaimer me, not really matters, but. but one of the I mean one of the biggest things. Is that You know everybody's like. Oh, well, you just take the weekend off, right? Sure I could right. But everything's still going to be growing like it. Don't matter like if the weather's right will were doing it like we're, we're going we're you know we're farming simple as that and I think. The best description and I think most people probably seen this floating around is like the Dad and the son. You know like Oh what you know. What is this? Oh, I don't know son, while at the same thing with farmers like Hey, dad. What's a weekend? I Dunno son. We're farmer like. He's just like I. that's probably the best description I'd have because that's the way it is. You know for the July what holidays right? What are weekends? You know people like you know did. Did you make it there? What Day is it? All Saturday? Oh well. Oh. Yes, yeah, and then you know out on social media the next right? Yeah, and then well, and then you get to the point where you're like. You know you're working for a couple of days straight. You know pretty much you leave your house. Go to work. We go back. To sleep a little bit and come back and you're like. Did I take a shower today like. What did I do today and they'll be like? Oh, it's Thursday and you're like. I was working, said Monday. Like what are you talking about like? You know so? It's just like the concept of time with farming is kind of one of the craziest things, too, because it's like. Okay like. What Day is it? What time is it? What's the? What are we? GonNa, do what's the longest day you've worked? Recently about two hours just kidding jokes. Oh shoot probably I. We've had like last year. We had a couple when like if the weather's right, actually probably twenty eighteen was probably. One of the longer ones we had some days. You know fourteen sixteen hours and then we'd get done belan probably. Probably get out there and start raking in about four four thirty in the morning. take a little break start bailing Donald about ten thirty eleven o'clock night and go back about two or three the next morning. You know do that for a couple of days and I mean. Not Too bad you know I. Don't Envy Envy. The people that do night shift and have to work twelve hours on twelve hours off and stuff like that like I. Know, those people like my wife, a saint like cheap, yeah, managing that and trying to sleep during the day I'm just like I I. Don't know how you doing. Let's tough job Some days are long. Some days are short. It all depends. I mean you know we end? Yeah, it varies to the thing I think I think that's the biggest thing is like people I mean going back to the comment about you know all what a weekend or you know canes. Can't you just take take a day off? Yeah, but it's also like. It's it's our livelihood, so if we don't go now, we're not making money and we're not making money. Why are we even doing it? You know I mean to be honest with you. It's fun. But. We don't do it just for fun like. If you just for fun. What's the point yeah? I mean if you had a bunch of money to blow. Don't get me wrong. It'd be fine, but pretty much every I mean every business you want. You want the business. Concede so, how do you do that? You put in the time in the effort and hard work. Sure would be a lot less stressful if money wasn't an. Bankrolls just rolling through, yeah! That way if you made a bad decision, it wouldn't be like My My. I may lose the farm over this, but on the contrary though. Even if it was you know. Bankroll New Ford it. When you start growing crop, and you get it down and it starts getting ruined. You're like. Yeah Okay now, I'm losing money because it's money, it's just like going to the casino same thing. It's like Oh. You know I want four hundred bucks. And then you're like undermined. I just lost all of that four hundred dollars because I wanted to play for another twenty minutes like it's the same kind of deal. It's like it's all just kind of a big gamble on a crap shoot. You know for for what's going on. You know you try everything in your power to get it. Get it done right, and then one thing comes through and ruins This is the real food. Real people podcast. These are the stories of the people who grow your food. On the PODCAST WE'RE GONNA finish the conversation with Andrew there's so much more about technology about family and struggles in his story on the farm and coming back to the farm. This is the real food. 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And then we had had some success and then kind of took it for granted in just worried about the rope in part not the not the horsemen part and. I mean come down fast. Like an avalanche of a sudden there was no success. And these step back and you kind of look at it. You try to pick your rope apart. Nothing's drastically changed your open and then you start realizing men. My horse isn't working. And then you take another step back. And you just see what you put into it and I mean. I wasn't putting nothing in horsemanship. My the time the patients in what he needed and I wasn't getting nothing back so that was a big eye opener in Minot such an eye opener. That's mainly what I focus on now right so you grew up in this kind of gave everyone a background. Because you're from north of the wall Ma'am yeah north of the wall I grew up in little town called barrhead. Berta it's almost the geographical centre of L. Berta it's seven and a half hours north of the Montana. Us border It's cold in the summertime about three or four months. It's a beautiful place but grappa growing up had noreen. We grew up roping in there for eight months of the year. Little Barn one of those culvert styles. You know like half a culvert right and It was eighty feet wide. But with the culvert and the angle we lost five side so it was a seventy foot wide building. It was like maybe two hundred feet long. No installation had an old wood-burning stove and man it was awesome and then in two thousand and four. I think we moved where we started going on in the winter and since until I went to college I went down there for at least two or three months with that at his place every winter. And Yeah just comes out to family is giving me endless amounts opportunity with all that kind of stuff so right when you say cold what what is what is it like a normal high in a normal low on a northern conversion when it gets below freezing but I mean like normal was twenty twenty five below zero in Zeros thirty two so I mean it's as cold our temperatures meet up at the Fahrenheit and Celsius. I CAN'T REMEMBER. They meet up at forty or fifty. But we've been that cold before it's it's nasty. Winter has done a good place. Yeah I think the last winter I spent in Idaho I've been in Arizona for a couple of winners and then one winner. For some reason I stayed up north for for quite some time and I was sadly my horse and I was outside to go in this building and wrote and there's the same kind of it's kind of a tent building remnant so it it didn't get I mean there was no snow on the arena but it was cold and it was like negative seventeen degrees and I was like man that's it. I like that next two days I started packing up and I went down there. And I haven't really stayed in Idaho or up north in the winter sense so and and then I'm kind of I'm kind of a pussy when it comes to them and then you both. I've got nothing to prove that I don't like the cold and I'm not gonNA force myself to like it either right so you. What did you go to college? I graduated high school in the summer of two thousand twelve. So two thousand twelve in the fall of my freshman year okay so not too shortly after that two thousand six was your first. Two Thousand Sixteen was your first. Nfl qualification right. So Halloween Medi. I finals then. I think I was twenty two twenty two. And how many years have you like pro? Rodeo went all the Rodeos when you made it you know. That's kind of A. I feel the year before I went to a lot of Rodeos into a lot but never really had the mindset of the Afar as a goal. You know what I mean. Obviously that was what we're everybody's dreams about wants to do. But I feel like two thousand sixteen was my first year of I had the horse is I had the partner like it was a like a true goal. A like a realistic goal to make the finals that year. So I wrote a lot in two thousand fifteen. Got My feet wet. I really kind of experienced the the full deal of it but Two Thousand and sixteen beginning to end was my true true start to to roan right so along the same timeframe you're talking about. Hey you know. The roping was kind of a priority in the horses weren't and at what point in time was. Did this kind of all you start realizing that like hey I need to focus on my horses a little bit more. It was in the the summer of two thousand seventeen right after the finals Badger the Black Horse won the horse the year in sixteen. I did not a good job at the. Nfl are are decent enough in the winter of two thousand. Seventeen but Shane. I weren't roping together. He went to go try ahead and I started roping with Dugan Kelly and he talked about how bad I did for Dugan I loved Oakland Dugan but I did an awful awful job open for Dugan and it was all all horsemanship like din. Ride my horse. The cow wasn't giving neither my horse or my partner affair. Chance and Dugan went home and I bought a do you remember the horse. Forty four the Big Bay. I bought from Chad Masters I did some selling on some other horses and I bought that Bay in July or August. I can't remember and I started roping with worldly. We finished the year with Wurley and that horse was so automatic. You didn't need a ride them. But we started going to the cow again and actually make runs in. That's GonNa been that that timeframe when I started writing forty four and a free horse and I started the horns disease again. We started to win clicking away. I think that was when the light bulb. Mainly come on. We're saying obviously what you're doing is not working because you have this horse. That is easy. And he's pattern and I can't screw him up and now I'm winning so having that that all hit me like a tidal wave. Pretty hard was when I realized that. And then that fall in love with Dean tufted Sean Grant for few months and restarted everything right. Those guys really read some horses over there. They got some talented horses. And there's a lot of a lot of horsemanship involved with the skill of a really high skill. Set of horses at Your Ryan there. Yeah the horsemanship was on another extreme. Where my family's very they're good horsemanship in the I kind of went away from that and just strictly roping. And then when I went to live with Dean and Sean and Kelly to but when I was over there I was there for two and a half months and they didn't let me rope a steer until the end of the second month really. Yep It was. How does a guy take that? It was hard it was it was really hard. Like especially them 'cause Stephenville you know everybody's over here there grinding their open and going to join and I'm over there. I'm putting my rope on the shoot on turn and circling steers and at the time. You're just frustrated like man. What am I doing like is this? Is this the right thing to be doing? And I remember Sean Dean. They just stayed on like just trust the process. The big thing was you can rope. That doesn't matter but if this black works that's when you're going to be successful and man I just. It was hard but yeah trusted him. I remember talking my dad every day. He was on me about it but stay there. Try Trust it. I mean he said obviously what you're doing isn't working so right. Try this so we'll go back to this two thousand sixteen year because that's that's kind of the first time. I really got to watch your rope a lot and it seemed like I was up at the same time as you like. I remember Austin and I remember watching you guys go in the kind of what is before the semis. Kind of the first qualifying rounds and and just the runs the black horse would make and I'm like man. This is this team is it just seemed like you guys got on a roll and it didn't stop and that horsemen. He's I mean let's talk about this. Badger because this sucker has he's got all kinds of buttons on him to he does meant he's a he's a freak nature he's such a cool he He's the kind where if you stay out of his way. He'll be as easy as you want. But if you ask them for all of his buttons you're GonNa have more than you want to remember this Winter Tad Mattis House. We're just playing around. And he wrote up there and I mean he frigging sat down him to drag his button. He wanted to work like a horse. Show Kinda you know light to show you in everything I remember. Tell him just if you ride him and ask him too much. He's going to give that to you. And then the next one he just. Kinda sent him away and distrusted him. An easy as easy as you can get so it's just A. He's a really really talented horses. He's a free nature. He's just he's not a day off either. I mean he's a I mean. It's just like anything that's geared. I guess it takes time but yeah he's a he's a lot. Well I think. That's what makes a great horse special on. It's why sometimes they're like they're they're tough to manage. Because you know you think about from the head horse perspective you go to the indoor rodeos where they gotta come up the Walton shoulder feet in the face and the finish is so important as well as handle the stairs to be able to do that takes a lot and and then to control them buttons because you got step away from these old steers sometimes sucker or follow and and they're heavy and then I mean I remember being out there Ellen. Irving watching you guys win. Would you win the second round? Ellensburg owning or something like that look to be able to go to the long boxes in the northwest on fresh tears. And and make good runs. And that's what's tough is it's like to do both on these horses is it. I mean it's it takes a lot out of horse. Yeah I think that's a true definition of a great horse. You Know Uh when we did the far on that horse. I didn't wrote good and that wasn't even the horse. That was strictly me like he was good. He is free the whole week and but I. I wrote him at the Canadian finals. I've won the Canadian Championship on him. We won't reserve last year. I had a lot of success on that horse. And then like you said being able to write him there at Ellensburg and saying I've placed at the grip on them and like I think that's really cool to have the horse that can handle both ends of the spectrum. You know what I mean like. I don't think of Badger when I think that because it's not really my place to. I don't like saying my stuff's better than anybody's you know what I mean but when I think of a great horse can handle both. I always think of Mari you know close Miss Grey like I think that's the coolest thing I mean. He rise at the BFI in need looks obviously one of the best horses there. And then he rides them in the Thomas Mack and he's arguably one of the best horses there and I think that is the chew definition of a great horse and I think that is so cool right and I totally agree and I think Mardi doesn't get enough credit because they don't have the papers on him so he can't win real probably would have won it twice by now. So how does head horse of the year like the actual process? Work that Man I mean that's your first year going into the final so I think there's probably a lot on your plate. Was that even on your mind that he could win. Head horse of the action so The head of the years actually decided before we get to Thomas Rhett The top twenty five guys in the world get a vote on that and then. I can't remember when you get to call. It's like November time or something but winning that man. That was that was pretty cool. That was a that was a big deal I think that's a huge accomplishment to have one of the greatest horses and especially when noted by your competitors. I think that's that's a huge deal. Two thousand eighteen. He won reserve That's actually my favorite one right. Two Thousand Sixteen. That was such a a high year. I mean everything was so perfect. Can't even I don't even compare anything to that because Munis everything we've pretty much dreamed about right right two thousand eighteen after what he did in seventeen in what I did and then to come back and rope with Coal Davis Net year. He made his first. Nfl Far. We're close enough. We're not close enough but we had a decent enough year. You know for where we came from and seventeen for to be at the. Lowes with that black horse and then for him to win reserve in eighteen. That was a that was a pretty cool pat on the back to not to me but for my my people in my corner for knowing we put into that horse to kind of get a little bit back out of it you know. I think that was pretty huge man. I think it's big because You know obviously two thousand seventeen was. It was a rough year. You didn't want it in the horse wasn't you know you weren't riding him or probably wouldn't work in the way you wanted or whatever it was but to be able to come back and then to bring it back in to take your horsemanship to the next next level. Get your rope where you wanted it to be. You know it's a it's a hard. It's a hard thing to do. It was a journeyman on it in it. It was rough but I'm sure glad that I got to go through. You know looking back at it. There's so many things that I've learned in I've I've fixed with. I mean roping and more just because of the hardship. You know like getting come that time that stuff. I think that was really good for me. I really as a person as a competitor. I think I really really needed to go through that. Well this is. I wanted to talk about this Because every team roper young kit. I WanNa make the finals And that's that's kind of the standard but what? I don't think everyone understands is in Rodeo. Shit can go south who fasting end and I talked to you and I talked about this after the finals. A few weeks after whatever and he's like men we were making the run. The practice was fine. And you got out there to the to the Rodeo and obviously didn't head the way you WANNA WANNA go round but man it was. It was a rough models and to me. It was like it was one of those that just could recognize. You've seen some guys had some bad finals and they don't really come back from you and I wondered about that for you. Man would. Is this going to be like for him? Coming back and to hear you say to kind of own it and then that is kind of the source of motivation is like hey I want you know i. This is my dream. I Love Roping. Because if you get to that stage and you don't have the successor you want but you still out there grinding and may not even turning steers the next couple of months because you WANNA get better. I think that's the kind of stuff that man. It's tough to beat that guy it is. It's like you said not overcoming. That was a fear you know in two thousand seventeen and is all self induced. You know what I mean. It's it's all on yourself but I hate to keep a fire that doesn't need to be burning burning but in seventeen when you weren't doing good. It was just like snowball effect. You know what I mean like Maggie new good there. I didn't do good there now. I got this snowball. I just can't stop from growing like it was time just to completely step away from infix my problem you know what? I mean so and I think it's something that everybody has to overcome and go through in their own ways. You know what I mean like if it's losing a little bit or losing big. I think it's just something that somebody and everybody has to go through. I wasn't I wasn't down here as a kid and I didn't have a lot of like big time. Success Down in the states but in Canada he can't say it was easy but I expected to win. You know what I mean like. The winning came to me in at home. I was like lots of young guys that do get. I just seem to win. And then I wrote a law my dad and my GRANDPA. Everybody helped me a lot so I knew I put my time in and I was getting stuff back and then to come down here and just have a different world than it's so it's such different roping down here. You know what I mean but when the winning laws and easy for me that next year that was that was mind blowing to me like it was just something. I haven't really been through in that big of a spectrum. You don't have to go through that in to realize that it's not just Easy deal you know like you can't just wake up and expect to rope like there's guys that are the best in the world that are waking up before the sound. They've got horses saddled their rope and they're riding their grind through it will how. How do I beat those guys? If I'm not doing that and I don't think I would have got the full spectrum of respect for the sport that I need if I wouldn't have gone through the hard times that I did with my roving career in like I said I'm pretty grateful that those hard times I actually got to go through. Well it it makes it where a guy like you can take something for granted take them. You can take winning for granted that this is. This is easy. This is how it's supposed to be just how I drew it up and then losing you know you're like man this. This is the worst feeling. But what what? I think it does is the losing if you can go through that and then still keep working and do whatever it takes and basically remove all pride and go do like hey. I'm willing to do whatever it takes these horses together to ride better and then months years later you know that you can go through that. I think that's where there's a difference between guys that can wrote for a few years on guys that can make a career out of I agree. I agree and Just to get to rope with like always been Stephen always wanted have about partner. That lived here with me. You know that was kind of like the dream you know what I mean to. Have somebody close. That was bad ass enough to go to all the pins rope every day and then to get to rope with Hunter. I mean. I think. Highly of hundreds healing. You know I think he is rank and that getting a rope with him and feel like we kind of have a long term partnership in the works. I that was a big like I. Don't WanNa say relief for what it was but that fellay success to you know what I mean to have that and then we have. A decent enough winner are run. Feels good. I just that was a big deal to for myself and my career to kind of get that partnership put together with somebody wanted to rope within a great run that we have. I just I think that was a big big feeling of success honestly is what I think of it. Well and I think too. It just goes to show You're heading equity video with you the other day one thing you talked about is how I wanNA use my horse. I and set set it up and you've had a few healers Shay. I think he sets it up in his pretty pretty catchy type of healing but Cole Davison. He throws fast a hunter. Heathrow's really fast. Maybe the fastest outside of one or two guys. He reminds me of a young boy. Pets coming something talking fast. And but what would? It's kind of makes it fun to watch. Is You guys have this run? And it's like you know you. You have to keep your horses working handling stairs a certain way and it sets it up where it just gets fast and I. I think that that kind of it gives you that long term feeling like hey you can build horses around each other. You've got this comfort zone with each other. You know that if you need you can go an extra swing to set the steer up and he knows that you're not gonNA put him in a bad situation and I think it's just like I mean we want you guys the other day Tucson and I know that didn't have the finish shortland like he wanted but the runs you guys were making Tucson which is tough to do you guys were mucking it out of them and I think it's it makes it where it's there but it's not going anywhere either it can. This year can go great. It can go bad but two three years from now. We'll see you guys roping together or you know you can have that type of run with with any partner or him still going and be successful. And I think that's where a lot of that comes from the past like building on this horsemanship in these things and taking the time to do things that suck. Would you agree that I agree completely the extracurricular you know the the not roping part is kind of boring in in a way you know what I mean. If you're not into that I personally I love it so I like going slow. I like reopened trotters. I like I like put my time in. But for someone of this user just blast steers all day. That in the end of the spectrum is kind of boring but man so necessary. You know what I mean like hunter so three weeks ago. We're practicing this talking and Hunter S. or ASS hundred. What he thought we needed to do to do. Better at the jackpots and he said man let's for three weeks he said. Let's make two or three realistic runs on every horse like Score a lot and then the runs will make. Let's make real and I said sure. Let's try that in. Our practices felt great. And then we go to the Romans in just didn't seem like everything was kind jiving and we went to Oklahoma this weekend on the way home. He said man he said. Let's go back to doing what you like to do. He said let's go slow. It's locum off and I said. Are you sure you WANNA do that? 'cause I know how hunter likes rope? I mean you've seen him he's full-contact he likes to attack the steer he's if he's on his as Strang or fees on whatever string it's mad at the feet when they hot soon as they hop where helium. He's like. Yeah I need to do it. He said his horses felt like they were like they were great in the practice pattern and then when he needed to be soft or wherever at the rope and he didn't have that because of what we're doing in the practice pin we're going. I said I was like is boring. You know what I mean like. It takes a lot of time. It's all day. Go slow you waste a lot of cows you just give up runs and I think it's super necessary and for hundred kind of feel that with his good horses. I thought that was pretty. Cool the for us to go back to the trial and error spectrum. I think is so big so necessary and you just grow as a team as people to try self grind through if doesn't work we'll try something else you know what I mean right. 'cause I think in roping in what's there's a couple of things that happen. I think we go to Rodeos and jackpots. At one guy might have a good day or a good run and you watch. You're like man. I need change everything. I'm doing this and then what you don't realize is long term or even the next day that that might not be there for that person exactly and so there's always that like hey. We need to have a game plan. That can work for the whole year is Gotta. Work Hundreds of times. And so what? Best Fits your swing. His all of that. But also I think these these horses when we practice they need to have this feel and be forgiven at times but we also need to have that confidence that we know that we can make that wrong exactly exactly. I think that's when we visited that you talked about practicing and doing it right. So what does your practice? And what does that doing it right practice schedule? Look like to you man. I like to go slow. I liked for me personally to head to head my best. I feel like I have to be pushing my horse like I have to be oath. Push him to my spot but they also have to be running. Trevor Brazile did that deal on facebook the other day and he was talking about head horses and this is the best way I've ever heard it explained. He said good head horse. You have to have your gas your foot on the brake and your foot on the gas at the same time and that just completely set in with me. Where my for me ahead? My horses have to move their feet. I went to a slide last night and I wrote a Bay. That's Kinda long stride and man. I felt like I was swinging backwards but I got on another horse really moved his feet and I feel like I could head but they also have to slow down when they get to their spot. They need to know their job for me to do for me to feel confident. So it's a lot of different different drills than I do. I pull them off of cows. I keep them in the left lied. I wrote a lot of slow steers with my hand down making sure they know their job. And then maybe one or two a week. I'll see like on my runners. I'll just see a little bit around the end of the gate and then make sure that running underneath me and then I go back to this installing more confidence in their job and I just think there's so much like us. Where if they know their job? They don't get hot scared. There's no fear in them and their patterns. So you don't have to worry about him when we had horses that score and then run blind that that really scares me because we always talk about is drawing the lower you know like yeah you get through Robbins by catching the runners but you win opens or do really good or opens when you blast that lober now we train our horses for these runners and then we draw the low per hour gets in our way. Well now we're completely defeating the purpose of what we're doing. You know what I mean. I wrote with a practice with J probably last month. And that's what he said he said guys always want to practice on runners and then we go to ropunds than we. WanNa draw loafers. Like Kinda like we're chasing our tail. No so that really made sense to me too. I mean why do we always want the biggest fastest Mexicans to practise on the little slowest Mexican at the Jackpot's right? So I mean there's just they have to run have to move their feet but they have to know their job and they have to do it without your help. I man I I totally agree and I think for these good horses. It's so natural form to the great ones. They want to do a lot. Yes and so. When when they're they're willing to give you everything they've got it's like well they're seventy percent might be perfect. Well that's where exactly that's where I am with the Black Knight. That's even kind of I am with my head if if I feel like I give one hundred percent of my ability. I kind of helicopter my swing. I kind of get a little blind. It's kind of a little blurry. And but when it works sweet but my percentage is go way down so. I like to try and in my mind I like to put like eighty five ninety percent of it into that run where my ten percent is kind of out still controlled looking on the outside like controlling the fact and that's the same way with great horses. I think where I can asa black for one hundred percent but it's going to be a lot. You're what I mean. Like maybe too much to handle on the right steer where if I get them. Seventy five eighty percent out of them were. He's Kinda WanNa to take a pretty easy while now. I have a bad ass jam up horse. That feels like a layup. I mean he's easing gentle as you can get but he's still effective. Which is I think. Way More way better in the long run. I mean. We're lots and second and thirds. Add Up to way more one out two three or four first-place checks you know what I'm saying. I I totally agree and I think even for me just like if I like I'm roping astounding about this last night. I we did some video last night and I did. I was doing some heading and and I was heading pretty turn them and then I one of the last year I went to run. He's just a really good steal these small horns and I had had two or three really good loops like I'd I'd like well autumn and I wouldn't even really think about. It looked pretty. Good man I to do this again and I I like. I tried to us like stand up and just like you know one that gets gets everyone's attention. I right in the back of the head and I got thinking about like you know the whole time I was out there trying to catch like trying to lay it on the horns near you know what I feel like for me and a lot of us is we wrote the dummy and the dummy gets candidate. Easy like in. We really not a lot of things that you can really crack it on the horns Using a lot of power but if we really open it up and just try to catch the horns. It feels like we're sacrificing the. How pretty are loops? Luke and stuff but when you get into a relevant I. They don't care what the the loop really looks like. As long as it's an efficient loop with a lot of coverage if you're thinking about you four or five steers. One steps left one steps right at one slows down. And you've got to stop you know if you catch all of those steers and give yourself a chance. You did a good job. I I personally I think where he deserves. The most credit is Caleb triggers on that deal. Where like the Sunday we go up there. We're going to have took one. We're GONNA have four runs right out of all his partners you can almost guarantee he's going to draw one that. Lopes and goes right or left. And he's just going to throw a big old blue boat there and he's GonNa Dang near split the horns and assist gonNA. He's GonNa have so much forgiveness on his loop. He says going to catch him. And he's probably GonNa Win Greg in the with that partner. Where a Lotta guys myself included. We'll get jammed up. We're GONNA try to wear those horns out that good steer that maybe stepped a little bit to the left of the right has a great chance of taking us out of R- open where he does such a good job just a big coverage. He's so talented. He throws pretty loops regardless. But he's GonNa catch like it doesn't matter what he catches he's GonNa catch something and I think that like you were talking about. We just get so so caught up in the pretty do or what. It looks like rather than men. I WANNA hold the first place. I WanNa look like that. I don't care like own same. Well they don't send a picture with the check they literally don't so why does it matter? You know what I mean like. Find a way to catch something. It doesn't matter what it is. Make the WHO left for your partner well and I think it translates to our horse. Like you're saying you know that the other thing is that that faster tire swing increases their foot speed Or the swing. That's too slow and they can read it too. Well so it's like trying to find that happy medium at eighty five percent or whatever it is that allows your horse to be under control and then for you to however you scored whatever type of steer you have you go catch him and if you need to take more risk if you need to do more you ogling but I think that that's where these headers are getting really really great like the guys that have run. The I think it just come from the front so many stairs at realize we need catch exactly. It doesn't matter what it looks like or anything if we don't turn the cow we don't win money we don't win anything so doesn't matter how or what is we have to turn the cow regardless of what's going on so the harder. I try to throw a prettier head loop the least chance. I have tried or turning the cow. So what good is that pretty head loop when it really comes down to it right? I? I'm a basketball fan and always go to that quite Leonard. What is it is it? Boardman gets paid. Glory man gets paid every time. And you know how true is that guy's a winner at the highest level and he's so quiet and how he goes about it and really nothing about his game. Wows you till you watch it as a whole and you're like he really does every time I think that's so so big in any level of roping or any level in sports you know like from winning the number ten Europen and win the college finals the NFL far the Katie and finals? Whatever it is I think it's so big by not beating yourself. The overcoming that fact of not beating yourself makes any win a huge achievement. No matter who you are open against and that I think that goes back hugely into the Boardman always gets paid. Well if you never beat yourself at no matter level of or any level rope that we're at that's huge. No he didn't beat yourself and you're just like you said the Board Man that just completes the course always always gets paid and that's that's so huge on on every level of what we're doing well and I think you look at it at any discipline a man have really been getting into like stoic. In guys it like. They taught Zen masters and how they talk about training themselves. And it's like chop wood carry water every day. You do these same things every day. These monotonous things These slow boring things on horses every day. We'll have you do it for three or four days and then you go back to whatever. It doesn't really work. But what if you do it for as long as it takes years if has to be then you have this? This foundation that cannot cannot be cracked the think. That's where the work in the getting up in the morning and not being afraid to spend all day on horses and ghosts slow and and you know I think. That's that's where we get a lot of guys get lost because they wanna go practice and rope and make this certain type of Ron. Where if you putting a horse I you might have to. You might spend five six hours on five head horses you now full for sure you are yes and I think that's where where it gets tough because it's like okay. How do how do I feel confident for myself and roping takes a lottery? Sources had horses cost a lot steers. Costlo all cost money way too much money. Yeah do you. How do you have practice horses that you kind of make some runs for you as well? Or how do you try to get that that aspect? If you're looking for a certain feeler something like that I do. I got a couple of practices practice horses. And it's strictly for that and for my partner Mainly for my partner where he can still get realistic. Goes when he's needed him. You know what I mean I like to wrote down a lot that I like to stay sharp. Keep my loot feelin right on the dummy like we were talking about earlier my style or not only knows my style but my roping Tendency of wanting to jam swing like that's my my go to. Kinda helicopter my swing with no real reason of why? I'm swinging my roper. Where you my rope so for. Migo in slow and trusting that process when I see other guys that are making really good runs in the practice as just something that I know is trial and error than that that works for me. Where if I'M GONNA go slow in the practice? Pan Cover my bases you know. Keep my arm in the right spot. Just stick to the fundamentals when I'm needing to push a speed up my roping. That's easy for me. It's hard for me to slow down so slowing it down is what I work on so that I can push into. When is needed the big thing that I like to think over what my my dad has always kind of instilled in me? Is that Your Basketball Guy Right. So every practice. Us Don't scrimmage you know you don't just play basketball right. You do footwork shooting. You do passing. And that's what dad has always said to us. Is You just get caught up open? You're not doing anything. Like if you scrimmage all day playing basketball you're GONNA make some pretty bad habits that when you're going to need to make that easy shot your bad habit. Installed in that scrimmage game is going to come forward and now you're probably not going to make that shot. Where if you put your time in a new slow in your practice and you work on your fundamentals of your shot. That game winner will unit trust the process. Because he no he put your time into it. And that's how I look at. It is heading just like a whole sport where I work on my horses at work my scoring. I work on my roping. It's it's a split screen that when needed. I put it all back together is kind of how I look at it and I think that hits right on the head. When did you start doing the self evaluation and realizing? Hey this is how it works for me. Might not be for everyone else but I have. I have tighter swing swing. That wants to get going too fast. Now when did you start to realize these things? I this is my type of practice. And this is what works for me just recently honestly like I said in eighteen when I lived with Dean again wrote like I wrote this. He had a smarty. We wrote the smarty a lot. We wrote the lead steer a lot and then I remember we went to the winner. Rodeo's roping with coal and man hadn't felt simple like it. Was My horses working on newer. Throw my rope. I could see the whole picture and then Last year Jeremy we liked he. We like to practice real runs and I headed decent enough but it wasn't just a clear picture to me like it worked as my horses were working but it wasn't just. I see the whole run. You know what I'm saying so at the end of the year last year when I kind of sat down and I talked about rope and before we agree on open I asked him. I said men are practices. Might be a lot boring than where we see others that but if you just trust my process you're gonna I feel like you're GonNa reap the benefits of it and he's been really good about it and this winter same kind of thing horses easing. He was soft. I felt like I could see the whole run coming in front of me and it's kind of wanted all set off this. Winter is just men that that's what I need to do like I don't. I don't need to stray away from that. 'cause I don't have the sharp practices you know. I've got nothing to show off but I'm here grinding behind a closed door and I feel like when the lights come on at these rodeos has been effective and I think that's that's the whole purpose of it. You know what I mean. I mean we can sweat and we can throw some shitty ass had looped into practice pen but as long as I trust my process that when the lights come on and we're at somewhere that it matters mean my horse prepared. I know I've put my time in that works for me and then getting a little bit success. This winter's just been the extra. I guess the reward or the reassurance that man this is what I need to do. Yeah I I think that that's the deal is when we lose confidence or wonder what we're doing It's really easy to look at it short term Rodeo. Because this this this is a great example. We've there's only been a few Rodeos anyways and then everything Kinda got cancelled and so it's like things can happen real fast. Rodeo on that are really out of your control so we're are win. Percentages are naturally low. Even the best guys with the highest winning percentage of the sport are GonNa be pretty low so understanding like I. I've got to put myself in a good spot and if I can do that enough times you know this is this is GonNa work is that. Do you think that's kind of how you get confidence and kind of that mental preparation as well knowing that you put a lot of this work in? But you're kind of trusting that that process. You're not really worried about him. Yeah like you said. Are you win a lot but you lose a lot to you? Know what I mean like a lot so that was my as a person I think. Previously my biggest problem was is. I let my is too high end my lows get too low and I base my happiness off of my wins so that part that does not work you know for anybody or any kid that is listening. Just stop that you know what I mean like. Save yourself time. Save yourself years. Do not do that. You're never GONNA win enough to be happy. Yeah if you value your self worth off of winning it's not GonNa work. It's over so I did. I did that in. That was hard that was put you in a bad spot in a hurry and I fell in love with the horsemen side of it when I went up there so now it doesn't matter what my results are in the rope and if my horse works good. I'm so happy that's a win. That's a win that's can go somewhere and I put my hand down to my horse works. I'm more than police. The end result by win perfect but my horses done his job and that all went my way. I'm more than happy. And I think that. Just trust in the process and like you said and finding happiness in something that truly will give back to you and knowing that I put my time and I spend my time with them horses and I work hard and then to them to give back to you. That's that's a huge accomplishment. I feel like in men yet. Like go back to that. Do not base your wins or your happiness off your winds that's just a downward spiral effect. It's just gonNA come fast if you hate yourself Thai Thai winning to yourself do that. If you don't like it either you don't if you don't enjoy yourself or your life or want to be a fun person to be around telling you and it's not fair to the people around you your family. The people that call say hi. It's just a you won't stay open if you do that right. That's don't do that well and I think what we forget is as Mike. I get further into my career. Man Summers really don't matter wins and losses really. Don't matter but I see these guys that I used to rope with and I've got a pretty good relationship with most of them and I really enjoy them exactly and and the more like my okay. The people I'm around like the ropunds and and we can go go being are dealing focus and and and we don't have to be really friendly or whatever it is we can be in our own little deal at the rope in but in that atmosphere. You know you're going to get you'RE GONNA run into a lot of good people that was. That was a big thing. I've asked a lot of people you know. What do you do to get to make sure you're getting back out of what you put into this sport? Right and Yeah that was a lot of people that in my favorite answer I ever got is the relationships that you make. That was the biggest thing and then I was young and I probably shouldn't have asked this question but I said what about money. So what about your money like? This is hard to keep our money to put together. Yeah I the greatest guy that have the greatest careers they say. Winning isn't to sell horses. You need to put your winning somewhere else like you need to make your winnings. Make you money somewhere else and so. I said what about the money? And then relationships. That's the only thing that matters. If you find the right people you should around yourself with the right people. If I ever gotten a bind I'll have to us make a phone call and I could have a job with fifteen to twenty of my friends that I've met through the Rodeo career like that was the biggest thing that they talked about was Mendez. Trust the process. Like if you present yourself well. You're a good person you're respectful. You're going to get back handful of what you put into it with just your relationships of people in if you're nice enough man you're never going to be in a true buying you're always gonNA have somebody that's in a friend or anything that's willing to help in some sort of way you. I mean and that was a big eye opener for me was to stop worrying so much about. Obviously the money matters. But don't look at that picture like take the relationships out of it is such a big win. You know the people that we meet the people we call friends and like you said that. That's worth more than anything. Well I think there's there's a couple of things right there that are huge to to me. Rodeos like it's like this college of hard knocks like the reason I truly believe. X-factor rope it will be successful is because I've road and I just won't quit exactly. There's nothing bad. There's nothing that can happen to. Ex factor roping. That is bad as Rodeo. I have went through what I feel are the lowest of Times. I can push through that you can't. You cannot beat me if you made it through a few of them fourth. July's out there. You can make it. Expect your team roof your time. I'm like man. What am I doing and and if I can justify it in my head to keep going on no sleep no money all of this you did. I mean there's been times I've been to stock trailers sleeping outside on the ground. Rodion and I'm like man if I can get through that this I. I'm inside working on office. I'm going to video and these guys like this easy. I'm not going to quit. No we've got headphones and drinking a cup of coffee. I mean I've been through much radio and yeah so I always looked at like that like when I decided to stop Rodion and focus on a business where I focus on the next thing that you will have all of this experience of what it takes to be successful because not only that you get to be around around week. It'd be around some of the greatest guys and I and I go right to this when you talk about meeting. These people intrigued him like Chad. Masters jumps out. Oh Man Yeah he can sell all of his head horses right now by whatever car and go to all the rodeos in every header that will let him ride his horse. They will give him the rope. Whatever he needs jet could have. I mean if I got the money probably pays fee. That is the best guy. And he's always been nice and he was nice to me before he knew. I mean when I was just a little asshole kid. That didn't know anything and now I'm just I'm still an ass but he you know what I mean. He still this great guy to everybody exactly and you think about that if he needs something. I would give him whatever he needs. He can make a phone call to anybody and he could have whatever he needed. Yep and I think it's. It's Kinda the same way you could probably call chat chat. And if I needed a favor he would do it and And I think that's the kind of that's what we get with this Rodeo. Like there's this unspoken bonded you just kind of. See It really. Is You know. Look you ever blow a tire trailers pass you? They don't they don't pass you without calling. You know what I mean like. There's make sure you don't need help you know there's this like you said there's the relationship that we make are huge and then. I really liked the fact. He said that we learn not to quit. I mean that that is huge. Anything that you put to put yourself into in life. If you don't take no for an you're going to get the yes part at some point in I think that comes into roping and into life and like you said we just really learn to enjoy it and deal with it as roper. Because it's something that happens to us more than it doesn't so yeah I think there's a there's a lot of good stuff right there. Well and I think I mean just for you look at it like you you went to college and hopefully learn some learned a lot in college but you know getting through that two thousand seventeen year to get through all of that and to still keep moving forward to today working at like you are today. I mean that is damaged you really. It's hard to lose at that point because it's just like they're gonNA have to kill you. They are like such a huge life lesson and to grow up super blessed and have the huge support system and then for that support system to not be able to give you that. Yes answer when usually they? Can you know what I mean like? If it's hard when you're at home Rodeo we can just go home and figure it out but you're out there in the middle of summer you're GRANTHAM. There's nowhere to go like you got to again the next day and figure it out and and that was just a huge growing up part. That was so necessary and so useful like been through that we talked about earlier and then we get so much out of this sport. It's amazing when you just sit down here and talk about it right well in and you think about that man. There's so many guys that they have to have that one moment that that gets them the hardship to get over that part and to truly feel like to grow up and become like a man. You know what I mean to grind through that to get the hard part and overcoming on yourself. There's that's huge self worth you know what I mean. That's so sad is fine. Yeah if you don't get the results in your opening lacking look back and say man. I overcame a lot. You know like I'm proud of myself for that. That's a that was an accomplishment. I think that was pretty cool. Will you yourself what it truly means to you because you think about how many people they just have a of entitlement that have no want for money and when they go out there and Rodeo and a lot of them don't stick for very long they try it for a year or two and if it's not if it's not for them they're done and in its vice versa. You know. There's all these scenarios but what what I think we're all afraid of is failure and what I think is. The best for us is failure. There's nothing better to overcome. You realize it's really not that big of a deal. Yeah what about the Rodion is? It's tough 'cause we're we're competing so so much summering in kind of getting through slumps in a win win. Things are kind of slumping for the team. Do you have ways or something that you go to to try to get through a slump or you know when it's just not the runs not working. Yeah I think the big mistake we all make is the harder you try the harder it gets so and it's hard when out there Rhodium. Because we can't go home run forty and then just trust the process. You know what I mean so I think that's why it's so big when we are home to run as many as we do. That's why video a lot. I like a lot of video so when we're driving somewhere I know I can like. Hey man we can watch video like we know we put our time in you. Just step back and don't make it so dang hard on yourself things are going to turn around and I think a big thing that that I always go back to is. Don't base wins? Don't base your happiness off wins. That's what I always go back to because you can be mad. You have to be mad when he don't do good. But you know five ten minutes and then guess what you have another one tomorrow so it's time to get over it and get it sometimes. It's harder than it isn't to do that stuff but I think if you can install that in your career I think that's why the great guys everybody has slumps. Yes something I want to talk about but everybody has slumps but the guys it. Don't let lows get to low. They don't seem to have the slumps long lasting everybody else and I think that's a big thing. Is the those guys that have learned to do so good like I remember. It was in seventeen? Actually I seem to rope with Luke Brown. I seem to be off with Luke all the time that that summer and I remember. There's like a week or ten days. We're we both missed like it was just a we just both in rope good. And he probably won't even remember but it's really stood out to me and I remember. I was down in the dumps. Just frigging feel like dragging my feet around at the them. Rodeos light there was no point of me even being there for the mindset that I was in and I remember every time I seen loot he was there looking at the draw smile on his face the happiest guy to be there and he turned around fast he went back to having his normal careers normal summer and he kicked ass and I dragged my feet. My snowball effect got bigger and bigger and bigger. I never overcame it and sitting back looking at it. Now it's like man that guy's always happy you know like obviously he's happy wins but fetus. New Good he still goodbye and smiles and he's still there as a person in his mindset. You know what I mean. That was one thing that really stands out to me. Just don't make a big deal out of it trusted grind through and it's GonNa turn around and less drag your feet and make a bigger deal out of it than what needs to be well. Then you're you're a pickle right but he had that smile on your face. You truly are happier. You're enjoying what you're doing. Will it ain't going to last long? It's always gonNA turn around right. I think what's what's crazy about road. Who is there's this process you kind of have to go through before he rodeo? When you check the draw which got and I. My favorite is ended July August. See them guys. I got this piece of crap out of you've got a chance. There beat before they know their head and then what happens not very often but sometimes steer might give it up or he might have a bad go or you might leave too early and just blow the barrier. And he's right there and those guys that believe they can win exactly do it. I remember watching some teams like I. I remember it was that year that Caleb jade rope together caldwell they had this fear that outrun guys that it was like no chance steer and I don't know if it's the first or second round but everyone knew this steer Ron and they were talking about it and they just run through and and it was like every ounce of rope that Caleb had and jade. We'll them but it was one of those runs. It was like wow and I think we forget is those guys that are winners and that are truly believe their win. That can win. Yup they can make that rod exactly and it's funny you said called will because that stands out to me to Last year Brenton Hall. I can't remember the result of that run but I remember Brenton heading him. I can't remember the deer run previously. But this sucker got it off to the right. Yep I'm talking. You know. Britain I mean Yeah. I'm actually GonNa go home and rope with. I love being around that guy. He's so happy he so moderate and his mindset like it's just a just a flat deal he's never to is never too low he scares me. I know is unreal. He's amazing I just remember that called. Will I walked up to that drama? Please don't have that steer and rent locked up there and he had that steer and he's like nothing I can do about it like you just had that mindset you know just see what happens rings the Barrier Back. He threw every ounce of that crazy heavy for that he was using. Yep where's the horns out? I can't remember if God or not sure. He did. Turn Protocol defeat but I just Brenton's Heddon that day and just amazing now that we're sitting here talking about that like I would have been so down in the dumps. I would have overcome it before I run that steer to talk myself into. No you have a chance Brenton and he was just like no whatever I got him. Just that easy mindset. Them guys always always perform when needed. I think that's a huge will. And they they don't add pressure so it's like vice versa. When he gets the lower he looks at it like. Hey I mean when you hit the lober. They don't some people. I think these guys that are not winning. They have the they X. now they're like. There's all this pressure to win on this year. Finally have the chance. It doesn't change. You still got to score him smart. You GotTa know how to play that steer and it's the same thing when you get a steer that runs or what what might duck or whatever you still have to complete the course. Yes and you have to have your game plan and I think that's where it goes back to. Hey this is this. Is that process and you. If you treat it like you've been losing you probably knew it becomes more likely you're already beat most the time before you back in the box. What about mentally? Do you work on things that improve your mental game or mental consistency when you're competing I try to. I try to work on that a lot. I I went to I'm drawing blanks and it's called. What's the guy a hypnotist. I went to hypnotists really. It was actually really interesting man. It was it was a lot. I don't know if it worked or what it was but I learned a lot from it. Just the mindset of it and kind of look at things and guys like Tiger Tiger Woods has meant there hypnotise so like when he's in a situation he can take like they're trained to take a breath and to put themselves in into that situation or in that atmosphere right and man. It was pretty cool like in. I don't know if it really worked but to know that I've tried. That was worth a lot too but It's interesting I. I would recommend it to people so because I did anything mental I. I think that we have no idea. What are our minds are really capable of and I and I think that like manifesting things like that like it's all it all kind of sounds great and you get people kind of selling on that but at the same time like if you want something and you put the work in and then you kinda visualize it it it. It makes it more likely to happen to me but I think we get. We forget how much work it actually takes to get in this situation and I'm interested this like so I do. We've got to tell the story man. 'cause I've never really heard of this with a hypnotist. So was on the verge of being done open. Okay I was on the low just right based in my happens off my wins. Say it again. I was down right and it just felt like I prepare myself mentally where I'm like okay. I'm over that today's new day. I'm turning around today and I'd be good. I beginning be back in the box. And it's just felt like everything was just back on my shoulders. Right and man. I'd give it an honest like hard hardcore effort. I went to every little rope in at home I did. I felt like I was doing everything just to put myself in situations and then to get rid of that and then I could head good and then one thing happened and it's just like all the way again. Yeah so I didn't know what to do and we had this really really good family friend. His name is Dr Bob. Stead word at home. He was like the. He's a founding president of the Paralympics. He's A. He's a pretty big deal rubber in the sports industry. He's inducted in the Canadian Sports Hall of fame and stuff like that and my dad. Call Them for me and we talked to him on phone and Dr Bob laughed. He said okay. We'll try this so he set me up with this hypnotist and Emerton and I went in there and it was. He talked to me about it before. And our sub conscience. We train our sub conscience. So it's like he explained to me that there's this little girl come in their shoes a fourteen year old girl and she bad ass figure skater and at the at the end of every verse spins or whatever and when she was skating her toe that was in the air would get lazy and she would always think about it but then she put her body into motion. She forgot about her tow because she taught her sub conscience to not worry about it so he has to like rewire your brain and recreate a sub conscience for a new route for your brain to think about right and there was like a week. This girl went in there every day. Two hours they talk about the process going into the spin and then heat when they got to this part of the spin this guy would like stopper in her mind and then they'd go through it and he would take now remember you're to- like he trained your sub conscience to think about her toe and she went out to the next competition and I guess her coach that what did you do to this girl like her toe is all of a sudden working and he just explained to that like I said your sub conscience can be retrained so when I put myself in a situation. My conscience was just wired from all my bad thoughts. My bad mentality that this is where it's going so we would always talk myself through like we started at when he hypnotized me and we will start when I unloaded my horse at the Rodeo. And we'd go through satellite and we'd go through looking at the draw. We would go through them saying in the national anthem. We would sing the sit there watching the team before me and then I would back in the box and then he would say okay. You put your time in like he would just go through the most reassuring not blowing smoke my ass but dislike you. Put your time and you're here for a reason. You know that you've done your part and I'm telling you gives me have a color that that's how it like. My brain can switch into that mode right and it was pretty cool. I I recommend it to people. It was really really interesting. I think it's great because I think what we don't realize how much power subconscious has you get everything and I think a lot of us have a problem or troubles with letting go over pride. You know what I mean like. This is kind of silly me telling me that I've been hypnotised thing but I know it's effective so I don't really I don't care right. I know that it works so I think a lot of a surge scared to put in extra or the silly thing because of what it might look like or try it exactly. You know because it's I mean it's I really hits home for me 'cause I I have this issue of. I'm not good enough when I miss a steer. I'm not good enough. Then it's like wait. This comes back. That's the first thing I say when I missed one at a radio. I'm not good enough. Yeah so is so crazy because he can train that where the first thing you think of his big thing is. I don't want to blow smoke up. Your ass is going to create more disappointment right. But when you don't do good you can be. You can train your mindset to burn. Now I put the time in. I know I worked on that. I got the next one. You know what I mean like. It's not like a you're the baddest dude there is. But it's like what you need to hear the normal stuff. Put your time in like you. Don't suck like you've worked hard at this. You know you can do it. And that was so huge to me when I back in the box now to not have that fear of that weight coming back whereas just that's that's gone well and I think too. It's it's really hard for us to look at the situation realistically like we have this almost a story that we're creating for ourselves and it's like If I miss him it's an it's like man. I'm just not good enough. I guess what I tell myself. I my biggest issue. I feel like I go to like. I do not have the talent the I'm not good enough but then I jumped out to me at Denver this year because the second steer I missed and it was a pretty easy situation. Get back the finals and I was that the first thing I miss him like I I was. That's what jumped out in my mind. And then I like I have worked on this a lot but how I look at it as okay the do I took my extra swing because I was just going for the kids and then he kinda ducked his head in stepped into your and I'd quit riding my horse because he was good and that's what I did. I just stopped kicking my horse and the steer kind of got. I just got a little bit situation and I'm like I know I'll catch that steer a lot. That's very rare that I miss that steer and that's the situation. It's no more no less and and I think that that's where we get so lost sometimes with. Hey it's that won. Miss has no effect on who I am as a head exactly but I. I want to look at it like that. I think the biggest thing that we forget to do or that we. I don't know how to say that we do is rather than the first thing to say is. We're not good enough. Where if you're realistic and message relation and you talk about what happened. It's fixable so that's easy if you can sit back beer ruth yourself. Look at the situation fixed. The problem boom. It's over stunt rather than sitting there looking like man not good enough but horses aren't good enough. I don't score good enough. It's like no we sit back. We look the situation what happened. We fixed it in our mind boom next Rodeo. That was a big thing that I feel like overcame. Where rather than just letting the weight come back and the snowball effect go and play where. I'm not good enough horse good enough. I don't rope good enough. It's like no we're going to sit back. I split the horns either because I quit riding. Origen my swing or maybe the stewardess did something funky but if we fix the problem that something to grow on. I actually feel like I can get more confidence during it that way where knowing I looked at it fixed the situation and then now I have the next year rather than instantly taken the weight and the blame is a real thing to take like to fix the problem. Not like the shame part of it right and the one thing that really stood out to me. Did you ever Jeremy Buehler's article and spend a win. Yes the one that yet or back to himself. Yes just trusting the process. Oh cool yet. My favorite thing in there that I that stood out to me was people aren't looking at you. Like they think like you think they are looking at you. They're not judging you as hard as you think they're judging you right like when I used to miss I'd be like Oh my gosh. They think they probably don't even know. I run that steer. Yeah but I'm sitting here thinking about that rather than fixing my problem so now that I don't even worry about that. Fix My situation in the prom actually gained a little bit of confidence from my miss rather than going in the other direction. Will it allows you to focus on solutions? Yes in and the how to and kind of build this person essentially that can that can do that. Doesn't have those mental lapses. Because I think that's when you go back to it. If you truly put the time in like you believe which I think for a lot of us it's were all capable of winning at the highest level it just the difference between the discipline that we have and the knowing that we have that ability and I think that that's where it gets really big for like for me. It's my horse. I I try to rope through my horse in if I put him in that spot. It's a layup and going back to the Denver Shop. I quit riding. That's it no no big deal and so if we we have that in mind had just all I have to do. When I'm in the box I just ride this horse. Get those couple of good strides out of him. Then then you're good and and I think that's so what's so powerful about the Subconscious is we have this feel and now Madison this on a podcast before but this one really jumps out in my mind that one of the first things they have like a trained boxer do like when they're going into a fight is they tell them not to think like they have their strategy. But there's a thinking mind is a slow mine and they get beat up. If they're thinking they're punches aren't fluent they're not reacting. They're not in the moment muscle member. Yes yes they're not allowing it to take over and that's essentially like where the zone flow state comes from this sub-conscious and allowing it to activate put we're like we're always kind of on it too. I think so. I go through that a lot where we've already talked about it but how. I put a lot into my horses right. Like that's my main focus so then when I go to a rope and if I'm not into the into the zone focused on our run I get to kind of worry about my horse and ride him too much were now. I'm actually fighting my muscle memory and it feels like I'm in a mental state of battle. Battling my my mind in my muscles because I'm wanting to do a little bit extra when he trained my body to do this so when I feel like I had best at the Romans is one. I'm there all I'm worrying about is score ride rope. Nothing else I see my start. I ride my spot. I wrote the cow. Now I think I gotta stay over my Saddle Horn. I got it got now. I'm just fighting everything. I've just trained my body to do and like you said like I think in mind is a slow mind. Just that's why we practice so that we can trust our process when it matters I I totally agree and I think that as a roper. It's you know I put a of effort into getting my body right Because we I think we all have a little bit different bill or stronger in different areas. Are Horses Work and we Rodham just a little bit different swings a little different so if we can put our body in the correct spot before we not our head and then that is my same focus. I have the start and I am following my rains the box. I'm just trying to get that momentum. I'm just following my horse out of the box and I feel like my timing and everything with my horses fight. You're fighting yourself but as soon as I thinking about my swing I gotta go home You know it's it's not going to be on the same way. I think everybody is just part of accepting it or not. You know I mean well and an understanding who we are and I think that's where the work really I I mean I think the ability to self evaluate is so big and I think that's where losing gets. You can really turn that into a strength is if you self evaluate without tearing yourself down but like hey this is. I'm week here. I need to work on. And that's when you spend time on the dummy Pin Time going slow and it has to be a long enough time that it becomes muscle on his effort into. It's not just A. I'm GonNa do this today. I'm going to have a fixed like. Yeah that's why I think picking things out to work on is such is so important to be realistic with yourself. To where just don't half ass a judgment call? True sit down evaluate yourself and be real with it where you're weak at and you know. I'm just as bad as anybody at that. Where if you're going to find something actually find something truly be real with yourself like in a way. Be Hard on yourself. Pick rope and apart and give yourself something truly to get better at rather than to say man. I think I need a fix that. That's why I'm going to try. No sit down. Look at it figured out. Give yourself an honest plan and give yourself an honest effort so you can get a true result from it so you can actually grow from it rather than just getting disappointed from the same. Same factor right. Were and I think that what's important is to understand how many reps it's GonNa take and and what that sacrifice means. Because if you're going to do something like that you probably should know the risk and the reward because how many go into football or something like that. How many Tim T-boz out there? Which I loved him Tibo but that dude was probably one of the more gifted quarterbacks physical wise but his throwing motion sucked and he tried to change it as he was finishing his college career. Where you watch a guy like Tom Brady. Who is always kind of working on those little fundamental things and has strength? Wise is a strong Tim Tebow. But that guy's still playing in the league and I think that those strengths mm-hmm yeah the mental strength the amount of reps that actually matter you know. How many times did Tim? Tiba work on his throwing motion. Where Tom Brady? Did you know how many times when you go practice? Are you working on this? One little thing to build muscle memory. Will you like do it for a week? You're going to have to be extremely talented to pick up on something. Probably Pretty Young to pick up on something in a week yet. I mean you you look at all the greats immune there you go to the ten thousand our role which depends on the hours and the amount of effort that you put into it but the amount of reps that it takes to master. Something is ungodly It's a lot and so I think that's where we have to understand that. Hey if I wanna fix something in my swing and I truly believe that this is an issue it might take six months of that just being one of your main focuses or hundreds of reps on the dummy and then he was so good to come here today and talked about that because that was just a gentle reminder again you know like two weeks ago. I found something that I think will. That will really fix a lot of my problems at the Rodeos and I bust my ass on it and then we went jackpot in and then I come back here and then I just kind of put on the back burner whereas like no and like going home today and I've got I've got grind through that like you said gets time in like I was saying like that'd be true to you can't just half ass it full results. You know you have fast you get half ass results so I totally agree i. I was thinking about this. I think my heading and this this winter. I didn't do a very good job with my practice schedule. But last summer was probably one of the Best Myer opening had ever felt and for ninety to one hundred twenty days. I just focused on camera Just riding my horse. I wrote a lot with Marty Becker. And that's what we worked on. I just worked on my horsemanship but I felt like there was things in my swing that needed added and so I would wrote the dummy and I had it my mind. I probably need a few thousand reps and I have this weird deal as I. I WanNa get better reaching and I looked at these basketball players. Lebron James and guys at wanted to work on their jump shot like how many reps they actually put in Jumpers and read a book about his trainer. Another damn I'm I'm GonNa have to rip the dummy lot and that's when I go to you like you talk about the the hypnotist but he visualizes it will. That's what I would start doing so every time. I wrote the dummy right before I I would visualize myself rope in the dummy perfectly. I would rope it and then right after I would visualize myself doing it. How perfectly whether I did or not well one turns into three and I can get ten thousand. Yeah Yeah I can get ten thousand. I got a rope a few hundred times a day like actual like I got I was probably throwing two to five hundred day But you times that by three men here in a few weeks I have I have worked on to quill reached shot one two three four swings a lot and my roping got. It was a huge improvement but it was man. I didn't stay with it for. I mean I'm not doing it now but a big thing about that. I think just hearing you talk is yeah. You probably got better at it but when you back in the box and that's what comes in front of you. Your subconscious is confident about it. Because you know you put your time into it you're not doubting it. You know what I'm saying where you know you've grounded through you've worked on it. Well now. You have confidence in it. So you're not you're not fearing that situation and I think that's so big too. Well I think what happened for me that I separate it. Some horses were there and then all the sudden when that to coil shop that I thought that I was weak at it was started to feel natural and easy exactly and is because I believe I put the work in and then I did put the work in and it didn't feel foreign to me anymore if felt natural and I think that's what it is. It's like me talking through it to get to this point really to I think for me to get good at something I have to work at it to the point to where I it. Just it just feels like it's part of me. It's it's an easy thing to do it. Talking about Lebron James and guys like that. I think that's kind of the most. I think the hardest part and the most draining part of Rodeo is. We don't have a coach or trainer right. We don't have somebody to get there and be like man. You're slacking today. You need need a bust your ass. Jimmy to move. It is self driven self worth self confidence. I mean if you want it you need to get yourself and I think that's the hardest part of Rodeo because it don't matter who we are who they are who were talking about. Sometimes it's hard to be motivated. You know. That's that's a realistic thing and to have somebody there to kind of give you an extra boost everyday to point out that you're slacking meant to not have that as a huge deal. I think that's really really difficult about Rodeo. So I think you have to be really real with yourself. I mean you kind of your own your own judge. Your own coach own trainer your own mean your everything you know what I mean like. It's I think that's that's the hardest part of it all well and I think that what for me that I try to do in some guys do it but when you do other things it makes it and you try to do a really good job at it. I think it kind of makes it easier to apply to the next thing I so this been masked writes me out these workouts I mean everything. Shut down I have a squat rack outside. That's I have a squat. Rack tire tied some old classic head ropes together and have battle ropes. That's that's my gym. But he just basically wrote the strongman workout. So it's like three moves You just go Bam but like it together and then you break and you do it again. And it's a Lotta sets so had mark my set my rep in the sand and what I've realized is no one cares that I'm doing the snow but it only matters how good I do these reps to me it. No one else care. It doesn't matter at all but if I can make that market in the sand you can do the same thing. The only thing that matters is how good I do that Like did I give it my full effort so forth man. It's become really big on that. That's really stood out to me. You know having things on your own doing them on your own doing a good job on your own and makes it easier to sleep at night yard. I mean I think that that's such a big part of life will man I. I think it makes it easy to sleep at night. And it makes you motivated to get up in the morning. One Up. Yeah you want it like man that was. That was good. I'm getting I'm getting these things. Men Not like I used to like the mornings. I would get up pretty early but just now show nice out and I got these years and I got these horses. I WANNA rope on. Go slow and it's waking up is the easiest part of every day like I look forward to it you know and I think that's a huge part of it where I found my happiness within the sport and I think that's kind of the biggest part that everybody has to go through when fine. What part motivates you? And once you find that Manet's they they can't stop you from doing it. You know what I mean like I found out what makes me happy and what I truly enjoy part the that I like. I wake up every morning looking forward to that part. Well that's that's winning exactly is it is the process of just getting up in the morning getting to do that. You read so many great guys where you know win. Any championship is the greatest part every time after they do a documentary on they go back they all say. I wish I would enjoy the journey more right and that was a huge part. That how I look at it is these horses and my time put into my horses. My journey so obviously the end result is gold buckle average win you know more in a foreign qualifications. But I'm in the midst of my journey right now and I'm I'm really enjoying this process of it and I feel like my I feel like it's turning around the the results are starting to come. You know what I'm saying. But the journey part of it man. I'm truly enjoy that and like you said I feel like that's winning like I'm I'm at peace within the sport and I love where. I'm at a love the people around me the everything that I have going on right now. I'm very happy and at peace with it in think. That's that's like you said that's a win itself yet said Self-worth it's it's it's all internal your internally happy with what you're doing every day you know so there's no name before. I used to be so worried. About what other great headers were riding or what rope. They were using her who they're open with or I was more now that you think about it. I was more involved in their stuff than it was kind of even with my own and told the other day A. I'm so a piece. I don't even know what's going on. You know like with all the splits and people selling their horse. I had no idea. I don't even really care like I know the run hundred I are GonNa make when we show up. We're going to try to do and I know what? Why would I want my horses to feel like and beyond that it doesn't really me. You know what I mean in that. I'm like I said under so at peace with all that was a big sigh of relief for me personally to kind of overcome all that other nonsense right. Well I think the other thing. That's kind of fun is this has to be really fun for you because you hundred close but to have a partner there that you like you guys are given it your all and I I mean when you don't win you know you. I think it's like you want to see him. Be Successful. And you you get to be part of that. Yeah we actually talked about the other day where this last month has been rough we. Jackpots weren't good for us but we're driving home from Oklahoma and he's a this is frustrating. Because I want to do so good because I want you. I want you to do good. And it's like I think that that's kind of where everybody goes through when he finds somebody that you truly want a rope with your kind of. You're not pressured up. You're like man. I really want to win and I really. I Got Saka partners with Patrick and I really liked seeing Patrick do good. So I've I want. I want to do good for Patrick because I want him to do. Good and then like you said. I think that's just a good spot in. It's pretty cool. Well I think that's you know that's the reason why we do these podcasts. Because we like Manna to talk about it. Like hey this is roping. I think with the media and how it's covered. There's this false like what is important. Yes and what it takes and and to me. It's like it's such a it's so much more than Wins and losses and things like that. It's like you you've got a part of that. You're you're wanting to see this guy good and you know and you've got these horses in all of this. That goes into it every day that it makes it so fun to enjoy this process and I think that I think once you get in the state of mind. I think that's when the big wins. Do Start coming. You know when obviously you're looking for them and you're putting your time into him but they're not the only thing that matters. I think that's I think that's when you start truly reaping the benefits of what you're putting into it when within yourself and your circle your so at peace that that thing doesn't really matter but man you're going to bless if it does show up you know what I mean like. I think that's that's when things truly start coming your way right right because it's GonNa the the work ethic and and the enjoyment in the process is all exactly and that's when that's when it's all kind of matches up the pressure of the result isn't such a isn't such a big factor you mean where the the pressures more within just doing your job on completing the course that you were set on doing and the rest of this coming your way right and I think it goes back to like even the podcast with hunger. I I loved it because the one thing I just still stays with. Today's he's like when he talked about roping with snow at the at those rodeos. I am going to attack the Phoenix. That's who I am and it makes it. You're like he was true to his self his work ethic he wasn't GonNa go there and be something he wasn't exactly he was gonNA fail or win being who he was. And that's that's everything you know Talk for chat always just the Nice Guy last year. We're driving home from Pendleton. It was dark like two thirty in the morning. We're all coming home. And he passed me and this out of nowhere he said man. I think I know what's wrong with your heading and I'm like Gosh. Hey you know. Like Hey. How's it going but we talked for hours. That trip in he helped me a lot. We talked about a lot of stuff but the big thing that stood out to me he said I wish I was better than the years but he said the first year he felt like he tried head like himself and not like anybody else. Just do what. Chad masters does like headlight. Chad wants to head. He missed seven years that whole seven steers that whole year and he won the world title right and I think that just goes back to what you're talking about hunter and kind of what we're talking about is all the do it you. Do you know like trust your process. And don't try to head like so-and-so or another guy do what you do put your time in for what how you do it and how it works and think you truly reap the benefits. From that way I agree. I don't know how many times I've watched diggers head and then it's ruined my heading for a few months. No promise. I can't catch this. I think you are the only ones that have been through that too. He's wreck my game. If she wants to dust in the squeeze at the slides at a slide and I was like it was silly and went there last went to one last night. It Paul and I made some decent runs where two five and a four and we didn't get it open the short round. Hunter Hunter and Dustin one third. I think hundred one. The from hundred one third there to force in two threes and one third. That's Nice I'm doing. This Dawson Squeeze is insane. Yep so going back to what we're talking about. I leave that open in the first thing I think of men I suck like yeah doesn't squeeze amazing like I can't do that right then. I need to sit back. We evaluate where I'm at. No my strengths rather than just completely tried to bury myself in my career in in the ground. Where just try to grow off? What I'm good at trust my process. August. I'm going to work on some stuff. Test my limits in the practice but the biggest thing I think is not getting away from what you are truly good at already you will and I think that's so important is I mean. Obviously if the rope lines were set up like the slides and it was like that in every situation. It'd be something you have to learn to do. You would have to fix. Yes but we understanding. Hey the the setups are going to be different. And you. You know you're going to need more. Horses in the runs are not on track header. And and I think that's that's what kind of goes into this whole process of like. Hey I you're trying to figure out how to win and what it takes in this self evaluation period man. I think it's cool but it is tough because Dustin is he you man. He's GonNa ruin some guys this little he's GonNa he's going to have a Lotta guys running ahead horses and roping career yeah. He's he's unbelievable. That last night was just insane. Yeah Yeah and as he figures out jackpot in this last year. He's gotten where he's good at it. It's it's fun watching because I just when you think man. They wrote good and then he said watching him him. He's throwing he's tournament hottest. You're pretty fast. And now he's turning a lost ears. Yeah I think the biggest thing know that on the outside looking in or for people watching them as he goes through the same stuff you and I everybody in the world goes through. You WanNA mean light. Just because he can pull those amazing shots off doesn't mean he doesn't have self doubt or or hasn't overcame hardships to you. Know what I mean. So like just because he's overly talented doesn't mean we need to be jealous of them like rat he's grown and through it to. He's put his time in. He's found the hard ways. He's done the same ways else so don't be so hard on ourselves like men. I can't do that well. He can't do some stuff that we can do either so trust our processes respect what he's been through and I know he's GonNa respect what we've been through and I mean we're all looking for the same results so I don't I don't think it's we're no place to put our our careers down because of what some guys can do with their ropes. You know like everybody goes through their hardships and everybody has their stuff that they're weekend. Well I think that's what makes sports so fun exactly is everyone's talent levels. GonNa be different. Everyone's going to be different but what makes or breaks you. Is how how you figure out how to win. Look at Brazil. He says he's not the greatest roper. I mean is it twenty. Four twenty five. It's it's enough that it's more than I can know of so it's a lot yet. Most people lose count in. He says he's not the most talented rope burn. I mean he can't do things that doesn't squeeze it does He. Can't head the cow like but look at the career that Trevor Brazil had because of what he put into his horses and obviously himself and his body like using a monster when he was going. But that's just a big eye opener to me. There is not a one track deal. You know what I mean like. There's different ways to get to the end result. And and what I think's important is. He learned how to win a he. He not only dominated that the NFL. But we video with Patrick the other day and I was looking up on the wall. And they're like well they want everywhere. They won't shy in Salinas. They want I mean all of these rodeos that are like are. They say it's a cowboys deal. And it's hard win will then Wise Trevor. Winning all you know. I mean because he is the best cowboy. He's the best horseman. He the best head horses and I think that's that's the biggest thing that stands out to me is great win yet. That's why I look up to Clay Smith so much island believable when he gets it the Thomas Mack I mean he not only heads fast but he has great control of where his horses at the steers handled. And you're just like your is. It's amazing. There's the horses I think unless you have the Dreyer's squeeze a game which guys still do right grade horses which make great but they could make the finals on the let a lot less horse than I ever could. So that's why I try to put so much into my horses because I feel like I need that extra step to compete against those guys and since I've been blessed enough to have them extra steps along my career I have been able to have a career you're saying yet and that's what. I am so focused on where I get my confidence. What my horses give back to me and I think that's what makes her open so like a beautiful sport. Where any like literally anyone can do it. You just got to want to do it. Just find a way to do it because if you have a slow head horse it's not very good you can probably learn how to reach and he will get you to a spot where you can get more horses and And if you're vice versa. If you end up with horses at a run are really like really talented. You can use your horse to win and and then there's this going to be this couple of weeks after they get away with anything because they're so good. Yeah and you gotta realize dust and man. He's I mean he wasn't like that when he his Jackpot game. Not just coming on like I just like. I tried saying he granted through it. I mean he's been through the hardships just like all of us and I think that's something that we all have to be real about with ourselves like everybody goes through it. We're not the only ones that are having hard times or have had hard times or whoever's listening you're not the only one that had hard times like every single person gone through that and we'll go through it again like it's how we overcome it and how we get through it that matters right anytime you're adding competition in it means there's going to be a struggle it's coming and that and that's what. Makes Competition Beautiful? That's what makes sports good. Is You have to be good at something that the best guys you know win the most. And there's all of this and there's a lot of variables in roping but that's where like the guys that have a job that work and and things they they might not go up and down and that might be what what people want at alive because it is pretty easy to tear yourself apart. It is when when you know your financial wellbeing is on the line with with your tied to your competition right exactly so men. I appreciate you being on the podcast. We you know like I said the the big thing is i. I love to have a conversation about roping and what it takes to be competitive just just to. I wanted to hear your mindset on the on the on the finals and and because you know you've got a lot of success young you've had some great horses at Badger Man. He's one of my favorite all time horses and now your outlook because you could see it you know you could see it lingered and then you can see it now like it's it's just a whole different it's just a whole different header than it was three or four years ago right and a and a better person too and. I think that's what's that's what's fun about this. Yeah well thank. You have not appreciate awesome thanks.

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1625: Tips to Attract What You Want in Life with the Law of Attraction by Ellen Burgan of If It Brings You Joy

Optimal Living Daily

07:51 min | 10 months ago

1625: Tips to Attract What You Want in Life with the Law of Attraction by Ellen Burgan of If It Brings You Joy

"Real quick I recommend listening to this show on spotify. Regan listen to all of your favorite artists and podcast in one place for free without prima count. Spotify has a huge catalog of podcasts. On every imaginable topic posy can follow your favorite podcast so you never miss an episode. Premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever and whenever and easily share what. You're listening to with your friends on instagram. So if you haven't done so already be sure to download the spotify APP search for optimal living daily on spotify or browse podcasts. In the Your Library Tab also make sure to follow me so you never miss an episode of optimal living daily. This is optimal living daily episodes. Sixteen twenty five tips to attract what you want in life with the law of attraction by Ellen Bergen of if it brings you joy dot com. And I'm just a molly very own personal narrator today and every day so it's not a typical podcast there are interviews men. It's short almost always fewer than ten minutes as being short keeps his intro short. So let's get right to today's post and start optimizing your life tips to attract what you want in life with the law of attraction by Ellen Bergen if it brings you joy dot com. The law of attraction is the ability to attract into our lives. Whatever we want and are focusing on it might sound ridiculous at first but I can personally say it has increased joy factor in my life. The tips you're about to hear are the secret for how to attract what you want in life before you brush this off as Wu entertain for a moment that there is something bigger than what you can see in this physical world. Abraham Hicks is my favorite source for a lot of attraction learning. I've listened to many of their recordings read their books and even attended a workshop in Chicago last month. Teach millions of people how to get what they want in life with the law of attraction took me a while to really get a working understanding. And I'm still working on it but understanding the law has helped me adjust my thoughts to best serve my happiness one of my favourite. Abraham Hicks quotes is quote. Life is supposed to be fun and quote. I've taken that idea to heart basic concepts of the law of attraction. According Abraham Hicks focusing on something for seventeen seconds attracts another similar thought up to seventeen seconds thought has little attraction power but beyond seventeen seconds. The law of attraction will bring you more similar thoughts as focus on the thought beyond seventeen seconds thought becomes stronger and more powerful thoughts build momentum so if you think a thought for seventeen seconds you'll have another thought just like it and another and another if you maintain a pure thought for sixty eight seconds. The vibration is powerful enough to bring on manifestation meaning attracting it into your life so taking this focusing on third concept a step further the next component of the law of attraction is at every single one of your experiences in life. Good and bad have been shaped by you. Buy Your thoughts. This concept was easy for me to comprehend what had thought about all the good things I attracted earned however it was a tough concept to fathom that I attracted the really bad things. Does that mean that someone who has a major problem attracted it to their life. Although it may have been attracted years ago the La Attraction says that yes they did attract it to their life but I can say that once you understand the law of attraction. You'll know that you can take charge of your life and eliminate negatively which may have been holding you back. How do you use the La Attraction as Abraham says? You don't used love attraction anymore than you. Use The law of gravity. You just work within its constraints you know if you jump off table that you're going to go down. Nobody has ever flown when they jump off table in the same way. That's how law of attraction works is consistent daily habits to increase positive experiences number one focus on the solution focusing on a solution brings you positive emotion and you then attract more positive experiences that you want focusing on a problem brings even negative emotion and he then attract that which you do not want. There's a war against drugs. Let's flip that and focus on healthy living. We want a healthy lifestyle. It's easier to focus on a healthy lifestyle versus focusing on things that make you unhappy number to stop doing this. The first thing you can do about an unwanted thing in your life is to stop talking about it you keep it active by talking about it as the saying goes argue for your limitations and they're yours starting right now flip that saying so works for you rather than against about things that are going good in. Stop complaining about what you don't like even if you are upset about is true it does not serve you talk about it. Problem situations grow. You continue to rehash how horrible it is while you're negative. Thoughts are your focus of attention. You're missing out on moving in the direction of your desire number. Three feel good. Love attraction teaches. At first and foremost you should want to feel good so thoughts don't feel good. Take your thoughts somewhere else. P Nice to yourself. I know this sounds too easy to be true. But I challenge you to distract yourself anytime you find yourself thinking negatively after two weeks of purposely reaching for better thoughts. Cv think your overall emotional being is better off if nothing else become aware of when you're feeling any type of negativity if you become conscious of it you can learn to stop it depending on the situation you might distract yourself by turning the TV off or at least a news and gloomy shows going for a walk thing about the good things of a person who was annoying you or my favorite taking a nap. If you find yourself with a group of people who often gossip or focus on negative things start spending time with more positive people. If you're unhappy with your job try to stop thinking about what you don't like about it and focus on the things you do like about it. Example it provides an income. Co Workers are nice. The Hours are decent. I do a good job. I've learned a lot et CETERA. Focus on what job you really want. The best thing is that as he began to attract good things to your life. The law naturally attracts even more. Good things to you. Give it a try you. Just listen to the post titled Tips to attract what you want in life with the law of attraction by Ellensburg if it brings you joy dot com a real quick thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast. Anger is the easiest way to make a podcast. They'll distribute your podcast for you so can be heard everywhere spotify apple podcast Google podcast. And many more you can easily make money from your podcast to with no minimum listenership anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your phone or computer creation tools. Allow you to record Eddie Your podcast. So it sounds great. Download the anchor APP or go to anchor dot. Fm Get started and Ellen for me the hardest part is actually realizing you're having those negative thoughts because they'll pop in and out. You won't even realize that you're thinking like that for me. The best way to get better at realizing you're thinking negative thoughts is to watch your thoughts and that's basically sitting meditation. You sit down. Watch your thoughts. Let them go and watch thoughts more and let them go. Just focus on one thing like your breath as the thoughts pop in notice it. Let it go focus on the breath again. If he can do that for a couple of minutes everyday you'll be much better at realizing when you're having those negative thoughts but I'll do for today for listening and sticking around until the end have a great weekend if you're listening real time and I'll see you tomorrow as usual. Where your optimal life awaits.

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Casual Friday with Ishea Brown and Mike Couch

Seattle Now

13:16 min | 2 weeks ago

Casual Friday with Ishea Brown and Mike Couch

"Hey it's patricia murphy. It's friday casual friday. This seattle now looks like the snow is really happening in seattle. Normally it would be a great opportunity to stay inside tucked in with a book or hang out by the fire but honestly who the heck needs any more days inside at this point. It's also valentines weekend relationship experts and real life couple. I should brown and mike couch. You're here in just a minute but first let's get you caught up. Most of washington will be allowed to start reopening as of next monday. The governor says over the past two weeks new cases hospital admissions have dropped significantly. In nearly every one of the eight regions being monitored that means areas around spokane when nazi bellingham port angeles vancouver can join the central puget sound region in phase. Two south central washington remains restricted. Ellensburg yakima the tri cities and walla. Walla still have too much covid. A kingston man is the fourth person from washington charged in connection with the january insurrection at the us. capitol taylor. james. John attack is turned himself into the fbi. Yesterday after being indicted by a grand jury in dc he's accused of obstructing unofficial proceeding assaulting or impeding federal officers and other crimes. A us district judge in tacoma ordered him released until his next hearing and those flakes. You're noticing are in fact snow skeptics. Be damned it. Looks like we're in for some. Maybe you don't see any this morning but the national weather service says there's likely to be widespread heavy snow coming to the area late today into tomorrow. That could leave us with several inches. Lots of snow in the mountains to so tempting to get out there but remember. The risk of avalanche is high here. We are friday friday friday. And we're waiting on our first snow storm of the season here in seattle. So you can be sure that the stores will be empty by the end of the day and if it all turns out to be rain. Well that's actually how we do snow here in the emerald city. Aisha brown is here. She's a mental health advocate and the co host of the relationship. Podcast just the tip high. Sha did you watch the britney spears documentary not only did. I watched the britney smooths documentary. I was live tweeting. It and i was reaching out to my friends trying to figure out what we need to do to save her. I am part of the hashtag. Freebritney tiktok movement. You know. I am definitely on the free brittany spears campaign as well after watching. That might couch here. He is also the co host of the relationship. Podcast just the tip. Mike you and aisha our life partners right we are. We got married during the pandemic made it official. Good times good times. Thank you so much for being here today. You know it took so long to get here this winter but it looks like the city of seattle is finally grappling with the possibility of some snow. And who knows how much it might be at this point. Optimistic tv weather forecasters predict up to ten inches by saturday. Right now the only thing we could definitely count on is the angst or the excitement depending on who you are in all this. I am such snow pessimist. But only because i lived in new england for so many years and after twenty years in the seattle area. I have to say. I'm just to the disappointment so i try to steal myself right every time. They say there's going to be snow by just being like jerky about it and saying it's not gonna snow. You can't believe it until you see it. Well it makes from here. I'm from chicago. So i grew up with like it's going to snow and it did snow and it's a blizzard and there's a snow day for school and moving out here. I was like this is. This is gorgeous. There is really no snow. It's so easy but yeah you're from here so you're kind of used to this and we've had such a beautiful mild winter so far it's like okay if we get one storm. Then that's actually. We're getting out pretty unscathed. Well with the pandemic. The city's advice to stay home doesn't seem as ridiculous as it has in years past because of course that's the seattle response to snow is. Everybody should just hang out at home until this all melts away. We'll still have to log in for work. Come monday morning. Well it looks like the kids will never get snow days again either. Yeah that's actually a tragedy for parents everywhere. The whole thing's a tragedy for kim parents right now looking out our window. It just started to snow flurries joining down right now. Oh man so. In tier small flakes to the city's going to freak out you going gonna freak out. What is your favorite snow activity so previous to moving here my favorites. No activity was drinking moses in the house for brunch or something and not being outside in the snow. I grew up in chicago and it's a very flat terrain so it's not like you can do winter sports or anything but after moving here. Snowboarding was great until i wiped out. And i had never felt the breath. Leave my chest before then. I decided i'm too old for that. And snowshoeing was kind of cool. I like that. I took action snowshoeing once and she loved that once. I like sir but when it snows here in the lowlands my favorite thing is just go. Walk out in it. I would say in our dog to the park in watching the join on her face. We're very mike millennial. Dog parents dogs face if she runs in the park invited the snow from jersey so when the snowstorms used to head into jersey. Everybody hit the bar. That was pretty much. The way we handle the snow was you would roll into the bar. Get a bunch of drinks. By the time you left. The snow would be deep enough so that it would be a fun. Walk home and we'd call it good but yeah here we can always count on the rain to wipe it all away. Can you feel it in the air people. Not the latest cova strain. It's love valentine's day is sunday. We're still a pandemic so if you've managed to gin up any romance in your relationship during this time you have a superpower kind of love now. Youtube got married. During the pandemic is romance alive in the household i would say that communication is alive in the household and we quickly figured out early in the pandemic that we had to be intentional about creating moments of connection with each other. So yeah we just. I mean most people. If you're partnered up you may be over romance at this point. You've been living in your space with your partner over a year. It's a lot of time. It's a lot of face time. And i mean we love being in the house together but i think that the thing. That's kind of cool about this year for people who want to celebrate valentine's day is it may look a little different where you could have more alone time giving that person in your life space to enjoy. Maybe a little solitude. I love that gift like so we don't have children but my friends with kids. Something that one of the partners will do is take the kids in the car and drive them around for two hours. Go do some stuff so that the other person could maybe have a bubble bath or wash their favourite show or have a glass of wine or have just some time to check out from being a parent and being an employee in being a partner and themselves. In that way i think the biggest thing is communicating to set expectations and especially when you've got an emotionally charged day. I'm not going to get on my horse about the whole consumerist culture of valentine's day and all that but let's say you and your partner whoever you do want to enjoy something of the day but people have such different expectations for february fourteenth. And i think it's really important that you you communicate your expectations so that your partner can meet them or let them know how they why can't eat them. And then you can know what your partner expects so that they're not disappointed so mine reading no mind reading we well. We and i brought this up. Because right i've been married for a really long time and it's easy to let this stuff just kind of roll over you. After a while and last year pre pandemic. I was sure that we weren't doing valentine's day like we weren't doing it. We've been together too long. The consumer you know the little thing. I'm crabby totally caught out. Totally caught out. He gave me the sweetest cards sweetest gift. Everything it was terrible. Let's just say you handle it. I ran out. And i got the last dam muggy starbucks. That's amazing. he loves the mug. But you know you're right. Communication is because i felt like a huge right. He made an effort. It was very sweet. I'm just being this crabby girl. So yeah mike. And i looked up. The both kind of aren't into valentine's day in that sense of it's like oh. This is a fake holiday. I don't put too much pressure on it. But we communicated and understood that our expectations were aligned but to be a little corny are the first anniversary of our first date is february nineteenth so we celebrate that it may be because it's so close surveillance day. It's like just wait a few days. We have something more important coming up. Kinda shot overshadows valentine's day for us. That sweet that's so sweet. I think actually the pressure for valentine's day for a lot of people is being single right leg. It only feels like you're left out if you're single because if you have a partner you can always argue about whatever that was. Yeah some of my single friends they have been planning to do. Kind of hate the term. Ballantine's day but i know. That's mary like marketing heavy. So that's what people can google for ideas but a lot of my friends are planning to just get together. And do virtual wine tastings or have a virtual happy hour hulu and netflix. Let you watch movies together or tv series together with your friends. So that's another idea word. You can just celebrate the people that are in your life that you love. I think that a lot of times we think of it as romantic love as we get older but if you think back to being a kid in school and celebrating valentine's day you giving candy to everyone so i think that it's important to know that it's not just romantic love especially if you're single there's people in your life who you love who you can check on who you can make time for my mom's obsessed with valentine's day and wants a card from everyone in her life on your family members. I feel like some of the older generations were really raised with the significance of the hallmark holidays. And it could be a great time to just check on people that you love not necessarily someone. You're partnered with a great sentiment. Have you guys heard about the home. Citre drama brewing in greenwood a seattle cider maker who was making the best of the pandemic was selling to go cans and growler fills out of their converted garage in the greenwood neighborhood and it was so adorable. The setup was so cute and apparently beloved by the neighbors except for one crabby kuenz. Who complained that it was too close to a church and to school. I love the story because it has all of the seattle stuff in it craft cider funky neighborhood setup and most importantly the villain nimby i would say that is too close to my bar. You also felt strongly that churches and schools. It's questionable if anyone should really be going there right now in the midst of the pandemic and that the bar is actually practicing a really great way of having a business in making it safe. Yeah in the end. They had to shut down because they're licensed was appropriate to sell but the business look their sweet little garage. Setup was not in compliance with the law and now of course all the neighbors were mad and the parents at the nearby school are calling out the parent who filed the complaint. They know who did it. Yes and that person was public and all of this is just you know so seattle right. I feel badly for the child or the complainer. I read you. They're going to be. They're not surprised. And they're like my paren- has always been like this and let me buckle up for a lifetime and they're never get invited to the post pandemic kager. It looks like a cozy weekend ahead. That's our show. thanks again to my guest. I should brown and mike couch. They're the co host of the podcast. Justin thank you for. Having us have great weekend seattle now is produced by caroline. Jebron gomez claire mcgrane and jason. Piano matt jorgensen music. I'm patricia murphy see monday.

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SYSK Choice: Interesting Math of Everyday Life & Lose Weight Without Dieting

Something You Should Know

39:45 min | 1 year ago

SYSK Choice: Interesting Math of Everyday Life & Lose Weight Without Dieting

"Today on something you should know you swear your morning. Coffee improves your mental function and help shifting but it doesn't really and I'll tell you why then you math all the time every day in your life and yet there's so much we don't understand about it if you would ask what the one biggest thing that people don't know about math is that math is not finished. The truth is that you know in this time and this place more. New Math is being created in progress and faster than any other time and place in the entire history of humanity. Plus of course people work harder when there's a reward but it depends on what kind of reward and dieting just about. Everyone who's tried knows the weight loss doesn't last. They don't last because people aren't willing to live like that forever. That's why you need to light your life while you're losing the weight because if you don't you won't keep living that way all this today on something you should know. I need a little boost. 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The think drink coffee may not be improving your mental function in the way you think it does yes. Studies do show that these mental improvements occur when people drink coffee. But there's a flaw in the research. Listen to this John Hopkins. Medical schools showed that the reason a person's mood and cognitive function improves when they drink. Coffee is because they've experienced the negative effects of caffeine withdrawal overnight from the day before the caffeine. That you drink in the morning is just bringing you back to normal after the effects of caffeine withdrawal overnight so coming off caffeine reduces your cognitive performance has a negative effect on your mood and what the caffeine is doing in the morning. It's just it's just bringing you back to normal in other words if you give coffee to someone who doesn't drink coffee in the first place. Their cognitive performance will not improve much. If at all and that is something you should know. Math is an important part of your everyday life. Even though you often don't think about it in many ways mass get you through the day in helps you to think can help you figure out what's right and wrong Jordan Ellen. Berg is a mathematician. He's also a professor of mathematics at the University of Wisconsin and he's author of the bestselling book how not to Be Wrong. The power of mathematical thinking and. He's here to lift the lid off of math and discuss just how important it is so Jordan. I remember thinking in school and might son. Owen tells me all the time because he's in school that he's learning things in math that he's never ever GonNa ever need in his entire life. I say he may not use that exact computation. He may not solve that particular problem he was asked to solve. He may not need to know you know how long the shadow of that particular ladder is against leaned against the House of that particular height at that particular hour of the day But the skills that he's building the ability to take a problem and break it down into its component parts and salvage one in sequence. That's one of the basic mathematical skills Another basically my write about this law whenever about Algebra because this is one area where people are really what is this for. What is Algebra for and what that's training you to do is to say if you see the output of some phenomenon. How do you figure out the IMPO Algebra? You're saying okay if five x plus eight equals thirteen. What was ax? That's what we do in any situation in life where we see. Let's say the result that we want. Let me let's say we're like politicians right there. Some results we WANNA get and we say okay. What policy would we have to make to get that result reverse engineering? And that's fundamentally what Algebra is so give me an example of how math solves a real world problem this. This'll help me with my son next time. He says. I don't need to learn this because I'll never ever need it again. So what's an example of real math solving a real problem? I think I think people love This example of of the missing bullet holes. I don't Scientists IN WORLD WAR. Two were trying to figure out how to armor the planes. They were sending missions over Germany and they saw very interesting phenomenon that the planes would come back and they wouldn't have bullets distributed evenly over the whole plane. There was like more bullets in a few on the fuselage and less boards engine. Because it's really important information. GotTa figure out. How much more are we have to put where the planes are going ahead in order to protect them but what they realized after thinking about it? A little bit more is it. That was completely wrong strategy. You had to put the armor where there weren't any bullet hole not very weird. Why would you wanNA armor the parts of the plane? That weren't getting hit and the answer is that it's not. The Nazis couldn't hit the plane on the engine plane. So we're getting hit on the engine. We're not coming back from the missions. And that I consider to be a fundamentally mathematical insight. I mean if I had to sort of sum up the mathematical approach to life in one sentence. They would be. Don't just answer. The question asked whether it's the right question. Wow think about that. They didn't need to put more armor on the plains where they were getting hit by bullets. They needed armor the plains where they weren't getting hit by bullets because that's where the planes were getting hit. The didn't come back. I mean that's genius is simple but really that's genius. I don't think this is unique to math. I think in general we are our way of schooling is about. What's the right answer to this question? If you get enough right answers you get a good grade on the test And you move on right. Fundamentally learning is one of the things about is getting the right answers to questions but if we wanted to develop really powerful thinkers and citizens and participants. We need to do both of those things right. Not just answer questions correctly but keep the questions themselves and asked whether the right questions and I think math is an incredibly powerful vehicle for developing that one of the things that happens a lot now. Is People throw around statistics data and and say and see. That's why this is true. You talk about how you know you. We can be very misled by data. If we're not careful right and but the the most important words in that sentence are if we're not careful because I think we have the capacity to be careful and as a teacher one of the things I'm trying to do is help train people how to do that because I think one thing that I think is a bit of a negative right now. Is that people have become aware that statistics can be used to mislead. If people are not vigilant if people are not careful and unfortunately I think as a result people have gotten a bit nihilistic and just like you can make numbers say anything you want like some statistic inconsistent with my worldview. I'm just GONNA assume that that person must be trying to fool me and then you have no place to stand right if you've just decided. I'm not going to believe anything because I believe statistics are lying boy. Then you're just like floating in space with no solid ground to stand on like no capacity to make reasonable decisions so you know what I think is just as you say that. If you're not careful yes you can be fooled but if you are careful thinking about the numbers and thinking about the physics is of absolutely fundamental important than like understanding how the World War can you give me an example or two of statistics. People have used that upon closer examination. Just don't hold up. Well I like them. What I'm from right here in Wisconsin where Our governor said you know half of all the jobs created last month in the whole United States were created in Wisconsin. That's an amazing statistic Wisconsin Rights as quite impressive. If like half the whole country is job. Growth came from Wisconsin. Other states right must not be doing very much in terms of jobs. And here's the actual situation that in fact there are plenty of states created more jobs than Wisconsin. How could that be if Wisconsin had half of all the job growth? How could any Steve Make more? Well the answer is lots of states had negative job growth right lots of positive lots of negative it all up to some number. That was pretty close to zero so that each state that had an job growth at all was counting for about half of that. So one reason I find that so such an interesting example. Is that that number that the governor said was not false. It was like literally the case if you had all the job. Positive negative over the whole country is a rather small number and Wisconsin's job growth with fifty percent of that never had Minnesota. It's very next door to us. Minnesota's percent of that so I think what's look politicians are going to sort of say whatever suits their interests right. I mean there's no question there what's interesting there is that it's not typically people say numbers that are not true. It's that they say things that are true but are intended to mislead right. That number is intended to make. You feel like boiling. Wisconsin is like the top job growing state In the whole country. He didn't literally say that. But it's intended to make you think like that and that's another example of how I think. Math is not just about saying. Is this number correct or not? Mass should be about saying wait. Is that number even the correct number to ask for or should you have asked them different number speaking with Jordan Ellensburg. He is a professor of mathematics at the University of Wisconsin and author of the book. How NOT TO BE WRONG? The power of mathematical thinking. Have you ever seen someone sick or injured get airlifted in a medical helicopter and thought poof? That's tough glad that's on me but the guy in that helicopter probably thought it would never happen to him. The truth is unexpected. Events can happen to you. Are you prepared if a medical emergency arises and air Medicare network membership can provide air medical transport to the nearest hospital with no out of pocket cost? It's important to know that insurance may not cover all the costs of a medical emergency and even with insurance co pays deductibles can be substantial for as low as eighty five dollars a year and air MED. Care Network membership covers you and your entire household. That's why I have it. 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It's a good time to be a doer. This spring at the home depot doers. Get more done. Us only so Jordan. How else do we use math? Maybe even unknowingly like you were talking earlier about. You know we do use math. And that's why we learn it in school because we're gonNA need it but but are there other things that we think. Well that's not really math but but actually it is. Yeah I mean I think you know. Basically our whole decision making apparatus or we have to Make some kind of mental compromise between different needs that we have right every decision we make. We are weighing different things that we want. What's my short term goal? What's my long term goal? How much more am I gonNA wait. My short-term goals the my long-term goals whatever have different goals that are in conflict. How much weight each one That is not a purely mathematical problem. But it's at least partially mathematical problem. And I think One thing that's really interesting is just people's attempt to say like what quantitatively is going on inside the human mind way these especially when you know. I'll places comes up all the time. There's a lot of times you have to figure out whether you want to do. A or B but the outcomes are uncertain. You don't actually know for sure what's going to happen and then you're talking about probability and then you're definitely talking about math. One area. That people know is math and know that when they look at the math. It's really The odds are not in their favor. And that's you know the lottery and gambling in Las Vegas and those things but somehow the mind doesn't seem to care and we do it anyway. You can ask ten economists and Mathematicians Decisions and get ten different answers about why people play the lottery win in the long run. You'RE GONNA lose after people didn't lose money in a lottery in the long run there wouldn't be lottery because the whole point of the lottery is to generate money. I mean that's just like that's a simple economic fact where I come down. That is that people are mostly not playing the lottery as a rational investment vehicle. They're playing lottery. Because I mean the word playing tells you a lot right. They're playing the lottery because they find it fun to gamble in the same way that they would have fun like going to the movies or something like that. And they're spending that kind of money for some combination of yet. Maybe hoping to win something but also being entertained and somebody does win so it could be me. It could be but I don't think that should be your primary reason. I think your primary I think what you're getting for your two bucks is the fun of thinking about it being you. Is there much new in math? I mean do. Do you discover new things in math the way science discovers new things in science? Absolutely and actually. I'm glad you asked that because I think if you would ask me. What's the one biggest thing that people don't know about math? It's that math is not finished. I think a lot of people think a map addition somebody who lived long time ago. The truth is that you know in this time. And this place in the United States America more. New Math is being created progresses faster than any other time and place in the entire history of humanity. I mean it's really look a privilege to be present at this incredible flourishing of new techniques like new ideas new discoveries new theorems It's really I mean it's really quite amazing given all that you know and all the work you've done can you give me a couple three four five things that you wish people understood better when it comes to math in everyday life. I'm sure I mean so. Some of them are the ones we've already gone over. That new math is still being created. Today that it's like a living subject in fact incredibly healthy You know another one. This is the big one is that I wish people could be more comfortable with uncertainty. I saw something the other day. That absolutely appalled me. They said that the Canadian Weather Service won't ever say that there's a fifty percent chance of rain. And why won't they? Why won't they tell you? The fifty percents chance of RAIN IS BECAUSE PEOPLE GET UPSET. And they're like well we need an answer. We need to know whether it's GonNa rain soon. Tell us whether it's like sixty percent or forty percent. You've got to make a decision and that's of course complete nonsense because sometimes it is fifty fifty. Why shouldn't they say fifty fifty when it is and I think what people are looking for is I mean I think what the misconception? They're the people are saying. Well I want an answer. Yes or no. Is it GonNa rain or not? They say sixty percent there like you said it was going to rain but of course that's not what it means right. It means that it might rain. And we think it's more likely than not that a will or if they say forty percent it might rain and we think it's more likely than not that it won't or if it's fifty percent. They're saying like yeah I can tell there's a fifty fifty chance if a rain. I think it's a little and I do think it's something that I would. I would like to get out there. That people should be more comfortable with for many real world questions. The right answer is not yes or no. The right answer is that there is uncertainty. I mean and that's true of the weather. It's truth tomorrow's weather which is pretty well. Modeled mathematically physically all the more than when we ask questions about like matters about the way. Behave or like political questions or stuff like that I think people sometimes having misconception that when you do math with that means you get a yes or no answer but for real problems. It's much more likely you're GONNA GET ANSWER. That has a certain degree of uncertainty in. And that's not somebody kind of hiding something from you. That's the truth. That's not how we think of math though we do think of it as as one in one is too so the answer should always be definite. Not Vague or not. You know uncertain that maths should be very cert. Yes and that misconception. I would love to overthrow. What about just in how people deal either with. I don't know other people their car. Whatever that how math plays plays into that maybe unknowingly. Your car is a perfect example because people are costly make medicine I drive an old car. I don't know what you drive. I drive a two thousand one Subaru. And like definitely you know that means that you go in and it's the thing that needs to be fixed and it's like kind of expensive and you gotta decide. Is this the moment where I'm going to get a new car or am I going to say this? You know what I mean. And that is a question that has lots and lots of aspects. It's not a pure math question. But it's partly a math question because you gotta say like okay. How much more money am I willing to spend in this car? How much do I want a new car? How much is that worth to me? I think people are not often like opening up a spreadsheet and doing that computation when they make that decision but at the same time I think that in some way even if they don't formalize it by writing down numbers they fundamentally are thinking mathematically when they try to compute that trade off versus. How much do I not want to spend this money now? For how much do I want to buy a new car later? Like how much am I gonNA enjoy a brand new car? And how much? How does that translate into dollars my bank account and CETERA ET CETERA ET CETERA? That there using fundamentally mathematical about that. Yeah one of the. Maybe it was you who told me this when we'd talked previously one of the things that that I've taken to heart and actually try to incorporate is I don't remember the example but let's say you're taking a trip and you plan out how you're you know you're going to the airport. You're going to get on the plane. You're going to end you know. Chances are everything should go ok but eventually things do break. Your your car won't start or they lose your luggage or something and we never plan that into the plan. But statistically it's GonNa happen sooner or later and if you don't plan that into the plan you're going to have trouble right and it's funny because it's the exact flipside of what you were saying but lottery somebody who's going to win the lottery right and in the same way like somebody in your out. Their car is gonNA break down today. Somebody's GonNa get into fender benders. That is happening to somebody and it might be you right and and eventually it will be you at at. Something's GonNa go wrong if it's not the fender bender. It's the car breaking down or it's they're losing your luggage. But nobody's life goes perfect and yet when we plan life we planet to go perfect. Yeah I think that's an area. Where if you talk to professional planners like they don't right if you like talk to the person who runs the subway system of your city. They have they have redundancy. Might they have background. They have a backup plan. At least I hope they do. Intercity is run properly right that if the person whose job it is not to assume that everything. That's GONNA run fine right. Yeah and that's a very mathematical job. Yeah it is. It is but we tend not to A. We've that in. We tend to assume that everything will go just the way we planned it right and I think in some sense. That's exactly the point about. I think it truly mathematical point of view doesn't say okay. I have this formal binary plan where each thing follows from the next thing and this is exactly how it was gonna be. I think the truly mathematical way of thing that at each step. How much uncertainty is there? And whether it's going to be exactly the way I predicted because it may be that if your plan is very complicated and has like twenty five steps the chance of the whole thing going through without a hitch might actually be pretty low. Lastly you know when I watched the Big Bang Theory and I see Sheldon with his white board and he's doing these equations that go on and on and on is that real. Is that math? Is that what you guys do? I mean do we right on the equations on a Whiteboard at yes. Do I see that character as like the role model that I want to be the public image of math l? Now but but do you. Do you get excited like he gets excited about equations. And do you stay up all night thinking God. This is just the greatest thing in the world too old to stay up all night now but I used to but I do. Yeah look I think when you're out addition you know you you get in bed like that's what you think about when you're falling asleep and if you wake up in the morning and a little too early it's before the alarm and you can't get back to sleep like you think that's what you're thinking about right that's always there with you. The great thing about being a mathematician. You're never bored. Well perfect well. I think that's an excellent peek inside your mathematical mind I've been speaking with Jordan Ellensburg. He's a mathematician professor of mathematics at the University of Wisconsin and author of the bestselling book. How NOT TO BE WRONG? The power of mathematical thinking. There's a link to his book on Amazon in the show notes for this podcast episode. 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That's NAPA know how how participating auto part stores while supplies last offer ends three thirty one twenty as a Category Dia books sell really well and there are plenty of diet programs that also do really well and yet as a population we continue to get heavier and I think most of us are in agreement. That diets don't really work people go on diets. Then they go off diets and they ended up gaining the weight back and often end up gaining back even more weight. Dr Yanni Friedhof is an MD. And he's really looked at this whole issue of dieting. And what happens and why they fail and he is also author of a book called the Diet Fix. Welcome Dr Friedhof. So why do you think that? Even though people know the diets are likely going to fail. We keep trying them why well so I think that ultimately diets fail because we are taught by society as a whole that success and suffering are synonymous with one another you know whether it's TV shows like the biggest loser that really hammers home. The point that it's perpetual suffering or if it's just the media or friends and family we think sufferings are ticket. Most people don't want to suffer forever and so they undertake short-term efforts of suffering that don't last night at the effort or the weight loss right well and that's most people's experience and not only does it not last but people end up putting even more weight on right. That's right so people regain quite regularly anyway that they've lost through suffering what can be really traumatic and challenging is doing that many times and considering south of failure with each so again. We're taught that if we regain our our weight we've failed. We didn't have willpower. We didn't try hard enough for wanted badly enough. Feeling perpetually like failure at something that for many is a very important thing can erode person self-esteem and really even lead to frank depressions and difficulties with self efficacy and body image even interpersonal relationship. So what's the answer? Well so I think the answer is changing our attitude about what success looks like and so I tend not talk about things like Body mass index tables or ideal weights. What I'm trying to help. People cultivate is what I like to refer to as best wait. Which is whatever way to person reaches living the healthiest life that they can honestly enjoy. 'cause truly there will come a point. Where a person cannot happily eat less and a point where a person cannot happily exercise more and their weight. Living with that life is what I would refer to as their best. Wait because if you can't happily do any better you're doing your best and I think that's Great. Is Your best what you think? Your best is or is your. I mean who's to determine best well so truly there will come a point where there is no better to be done without an extreme of effort certainly won't be maintained and that will differ for different for different people. It'll differ because of things like genetics and metabolic rate. It'll differ because of coexisting medical problems or medications that are required social economic status. Real life realities. They do get in our way while for sure. There are things in everybody's life that we could change to improve our health and our weight. There will be things that aren't changeable and so there's no way to predict how much a person can lose happily and the key of course is is that if you don't lose it happily it comes back but couldn't people use that advice in say. Screw you know. This is as good as it gets. I can't do any better than this. I may be fat but this is This is as good as it gets and the doctor said it was well. I've rarely met a person who doesn't have room to improve their lifestyle. Now would include me. You know we all have things that we can improve upon but ultimately. I don't think that we every other area of our lives. We accept the fact that we have limits. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think accepting that in weight management isn't a bad thing either ultimately virtually all of our chronic diseases heart disease depression osteoarthritis. Even cancer is preventable to some degree even to a large degree through lifestyle change yet. It's with weight. People seem to think that they should always be perfectly perfect all the time and I think it's that attitude that toxic so yeah. Maybe there'll be somebody out there listening things you know. It's not important to me. And that's okay by me. Truly we are allowed to choose our own destinies. And if there's a person who feels that change is beyond their capabilities. Who Am I to say that? There's anything wrong with that and that's what we do with everything in our lives. We choose to do what we feel. We can and desire and it's nobody's placed to judge someone who's not doing that okay. So what's the process? That person goes through so that they get to the point where they can say okay. This is as good as it's GONNA get fair enough. So there are things that can be done in terms of Dietary Organization. That can help make person live happily with less and really. That's what it's all about Frequencies meals and snacks makes a difference. the amount of protein and calories where a person is ensuring. They actually eat enough. I worry much more about people eating too little than eating too much but there are things that can be done with food to help stay in control. Ultimately hunger is not our friend and so if someone is trying to eat less so to speak waiting until they're hungry to eat like going to the supermarket hungry. You buy differently you shop differently when you're hungry whether it's from an Eyler from a menu or from cupboard. Hunger is not our friend so a lot of what I talk about in the Diet fix has to do with trying to minimize and prevent hunger so that it's no longer are white knuckle willpower affair but rather about reorganizing lifestyle and then asking questions like when. You're considering an indulgence. First of all is it worth it and some days it is worth it and then if it is worth it finding out and asking us to a secondary question which is how much of it do. I need to be happily satisfied but always being in. Denial leads many people to ultimately quit. I'd rather someone had the smallest amount of indulgence in their lives that they needed to be happy than to try to cut it out altogether and ultimately quit. So where does the motivation needs to come from? Just as people need to find motivation to try diets where where? Somebody's supposed to get the motivation to do this and get started and get to the point where they can say okay. This is as good as it's GonNa get but but at least I'm doing this. Well I think that sadly in society today there is plenty of motivators. You Know Weight Stigma and weight bias is very real anybody who struggles with their weight will know exactly what I'm talking about. But we do as a society shun people with obesity and we we the gluttonous loss narrative is one that is readily accepted. I don't agree with it but it definitely affects a person's life and so two does wait. Once it gets to a certain point for most people we'll start having an effect on quality of life whether it's because of cropping into other medical problems or literally a person feeling their weight you know hurting or having difficulty moving around there does come a point for a lot of folks who say you know what I need to make a change. I'm not happy with the way things are. The key is to pick a change that the person can honestly say I live like this for the rest of my life and live like this happily for the rest of my life rather than just I could tolerate it for now tolerating things for now. Eventually you get back to the life you lived before you lost that you actually enjoyed even if it did have a bad impact on your weight but is that in your experience with people a comfortable groove to get in that that. I'm going to do the best I can and then I'm going to stop trying when I get there and then all a good place to sit so it's not about stopping trying and quite the opposite. Actually so the key is undertaking a series of changes that. You're comfortable living within Tuti. It's just that a lot of modern day. Dieting has been predicated on in. It changes that themselves are not comfortable in perpetuity. Whether it's cutting out an entire food group that a person loves regularly battling with hunger avoiding their favorite foods. Those are commonplace. Dieting plans right. But they don't last because people aren't willing to live like that forever so whatever. A person does in order to lose the weight. They need to continue doing to keep it off and again. I know I'm a broken record. But that's why you need to like your life while you're losing the weight because if you don't won't keep living that way but that typically is going to probably mean your that the weight loss is going to be Slower right I mean it's GonNa be awesome so the only way to lose weight in a hurry is to do something that is totally non-sustainable either under eating or over exercising or some combination or some form of dramatic restriction. Now there are some people out there and God bless them who are comfortable with very dramatic dietary changes and restrictions. Nothing wrong with that. It's just most people aren't comfy with that. I can't tell you how many people in my office for instance I've seen who tell me how great their low carb Diet wise to help them lose weight but then they gained it all back when they couldn't stand a low carb diet anymore on the other hand there are some who do love low carb dining. You've gotta find your own groove and I think the suggestion that there's one right way to go is one of the things that makes it challenging because I don't think there's one right way to go I try to teach people how to troubleshoot and figure out what is the best practice for them but there are a lot of different people on the planet and I don't think there's one right diet for everybody but are there some common things that that you recommend that you find if people do that. This gets them on the road to success absolutely so I think there are some common things that can be done One of the most important ones is making sure person eats enough It sounds strange but there are many folks who believe that success requires constant Under eating whether it's under eating throughout the day because they're worried about their intake at night or whether it's just in general trying to under eat ultimately if people are regularly battling hunger hunger is the reflection of one hundred million years of evolution during times of extreme died -tarian security when we're hungry and there's highly caloric foods in front of us. We are programmed to eat them to excess and so one of the most important things for anybody who struggles with dietary control is getting rid of that peace and hunger stomach. It's also brain and it's not just growling. It's cravings but eating frequently for many helps quite a lot ensuring there are enough calories and every meal and snack ensuring there is protein with every meal and snack because studies absolutely show. That protein is more filling. Those are very useful and important pieces for almost everybody. I know one of the things that people often comment on is that the next day they all always regret raiding the refrigerator at midnight but at the time it was just impossible not to in that that sabotages the Diet and then everything spirals from there and I think that is almost always especially when it's nighttime based a reflection of inadequate or poorly organized daytime eating and that when I see people like that and I've been working in management for a decade thousands and thousands of people when someone tells me they just struggle at night. I know they will be much easier to help. Because those folks do great when they frontload their days in terms of calories and protein and suddenly the nighttime fridge rate. It's not even that they're able to resist it. It's that they're not driven to do it. I do think that is just a different side of this Hormonal hunger coin. Oh so when you say front-load you mean breakfast and lunch or or just a meals throughout the day or what does front-load mean well? It depends on the individuals so the two most common eating patterns that I see that work one is a three larger squarer meal style. Approach where literally a third of your days calories with each meal where twenty five percent of each meal comes from protein as far as caloric contribution goes or. There's the three meal to three snack a day approach but again the key is not going to long between meals and snacks in that approach because each meal and snack is smaller than those larger three square meals. The the right way to go is the way that works for that individual and so I'm hesitant to tell everybody to do three meals a two or three snacks but it has been my experience that that's the easiest one to do logistically 'cause not everybody wants to have the large heavy breakfast each morning. One of the things. I think that draws people to diet is that usually in any diet it tells you very specifically. This is what you can eat. This is what you can eat and people like that structure is so with your plan. Is there a general guideline as to what you eat and what you don't eat? People sometimes get a little bit too. Hung up into the minutia of nutrition. You know I don't think that we have enough scientific data to support one way of eating being far superior to another cooking. Fresh whole ingredients do that more often than not. And you're already getting a pretty good ga- great nutrition from Weight-loss perspective there are actually quite a lot of different approaches out there. You know from intermittent fasting to low carb to low fat and again I really. I'm not married to any of them. It's whatever works for a person so the diabetics also has a section on trying to help a person rejig diet. That just didn't quite make it. Someone liked it. So for instance those low-carbon who just couldn't quite hack it maybe there's a way to tweak that diet to make more long term and livable but I actually encourage people to try all sorts of different approaches while they're trying to suss out. What is the right way for them to go because there are a lot of different ways to do this at the end of the day currency weights calories controlling them? Is the key to weight? But how you control those calories in part will depend on the foods you enjoy and on properties foods like for instance the protein. I keep coming back to that. Leaves People Feeling Fuller? Well I that anybody who's gone on a diet and offer diet and gain the weight back and tried. Another diet has a sense. That what you're saying makes a Lotta sense and might be a more practical way to go. I've been speaking with Dr Yanni. Friedhof he is an MD and author of the book. The Diet fix. There's a link to his book on Amazon in the show notes for this episode of the podcast. Well this'll probably come as no big surprise but researchers found that people do better work when they're rewarded for it but it gets a little more interesting. Research has proven that when celebration is preplanned into a project people work harder and better knowing that there is a payoff coming at the end and the pay off has to be more than just a paycheck or being told. Hey Nice job good work. This is also true at home with kids and in relationships when people have something good to work toward there's going to be more energy more dedication more sense of ownership and the result is always going to be better on the flip side. If people work hard and receive no reward. They often become cynical and resentful. The rewards and celebrations. Don't have to be big. They just have to be thoughtful and that is something you should know. That concludes our S. Y. S. K. Choice episode for this week. I'm Mike carruthers. Thank you for listening to something you should know.

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Celia Ellenberg and Bobbi Brown

Vogue Podcast

21:14 min | 5 years ago

Celia Ellenberg and Bobbi Brown

"Hello. My name is Celia Ellen Ellensburg. I'm the beauty director at vote. I'm filling in this week for Andre today. I'll be talking to Bobby Brown the makeup, artisan cosmetics mogul. Hi, bobby. Hi there. We are talking fall makeup, Bobby. You know, I know you do shows yourself. You're obviously, very tuned in to what's going on on the runway. What have been some of the most interesting makeup looks you've seen on the runway the season. So this season we saw a few different things we saw graphic is little heavier liner a little bit the Atra call. There was also nude glowing skin with flush cheeks, which is a personal favorite of mine. And this is a look I created for markes, and the hair was actually really cool this season. It was messy, and I love messy hair to your point. There was a lot of different. So as much as the messy, Heather was also a lot of I felt sort of romantic air things that looked more done than we're used to seeing kind of got a little bit of both. Right. So do markes, and you Degen impact this what typically goes into the collaboration. For something. Like this to meet with designers beforehand. How far in advance? Are you talking about these things? We'll absolutely meet with the designer beforehand. And sometimes if you're designers coming from let's say, the UK you meet with the designer a couple days before which I did with Jenny. And it was the first time I met her. So you go in and you discuss her looks for the show, which what her ideas are and look at her pictures, and then there's a model or two and you do some makeup tests. And then there's a stylist, and then you pretty much together figure out what the right look is because often the the stylist designer have different ideas. So my job is just to make sure that everybody is happy. And and what happens because I've been doing shows for so long, even though you you end up somewhere when you actually get to the venue. You do the makeup you go on the on the runway for the test. It always changes more of this little less sparkle more glow. And so it's a fun collaboration. So it evolve it evolves. It's not always fun, by the way as in both. Both of the shows that I did refund. Obviously seeing as how you have done backstage for so long you've been a part of the industry for so long. How do you see things that we see on the runway affecting consumer? So if you see that blush cheek that utilize skin or some of these more theatrical looks that don't necessarily look like they can walk right off the runway. How do you see those things come to fruition for the consumer? Will it really does touch the consumer? And what it does is give almost permission to try something new for years and years. It was all about the smokey eye. And then one season it was about the dark dark lip and maybe the dark lip on the runway doesn't necessarily translate to most women walking down the street. But it's about trying something a little bit deeper. So the the main thing for me as as a makeup artist. And also the head of a company is I make sure that whatever make up we do translate to the consumer. And you know, it's funny. You mentioned dark lips were everywhere. Right or fall. It's interesting. They weren't just on the run. Away. You know, Saul them in the front row. You see them on riana? You see them on Creon pop stars like C L sitting front row. At Alexander Wang trends, I feel these days aren't just coming from the runway anymore. They're coming from social media. They're coming from tutorials. They're they're coming from all over the place. You know, how do you feel about sort of that that mix of influence, and how do you see it affecting the way people are consuming makeup? Well, it used to be that would ever happen in the show's translated out. And now is it is a big circle with all the social media and all the trendsetters all over and this season from our Keizo, we did a very special lip that was stained in the center of the lip and the girls look beautiful. It was interesting. But I actually saw on one of the bloggers sitting front row at the show. So either she saw what we were doing or, you know, I didn't invent it right at that way. So it's interesting, and do you feel like influencers have such a wide reach the days? And so many of them Kim Kardashian. In mung, the you know, they love beauty. So it has brought at least it seems to me a whole new focus on duty. I feel makeup has never been bigger than it has been in the last few years or it hasn't been for a while, which I imagine kennel a good thing. It is a good thing. But for example, that's a perfect example of a trend that looks great on a runway looks interesting on you know, an influence or in the front row, but if you're walking down the street in Ohio and see someone like that you're going to say she's done her lipstick badly. So there's a way to translate it. And it would be just maybe instead of putting a strong lipstick on a little bit of a stain and for me. It's about a little more carefree makeup. You put it on. And it will it will eventually kind of fade away. And that's still pretty at. What else are you doing to the face when you're sort of making it more translatable, right? So if you're doing more of a stain, are, you keeping the skin rash? Are you adding warmth or you adding blush? I am someone that always likes fresh skin because I believe that foundation is about evening. Out a skin and not trying to change the skin just making it look like it's best bestself. So it's about does. It have a little bit of doing. Is there a little shimmer on the cheek is there a little glow many seasons? We took a lip gloss and padded on top of the cheek. We also did that to the eye. So this season it wasn't as as outwardly shimmery and shiny. But there was a health to the skin which I thought was really pretty and I feel like that health can also take some of these more progressive, look and make them more wear degree. Exactly. I mean, ultimately some women were makeup to look pretty other women were makeup to not look tired and other women wear make up to be noticed. And so the good news is you can do anything you want with it. And you can also wash it off and start again, something that has come up for me recently with all of the c- now by now talk bashing. So a lot of collections are walking right down the runway and are available to purchase stores. I'm sure this question has come up for you as well. You know, how do you think that's going to? Effect beauty. Are we going to start seeing products used backstage at immediately go on sale? I mean already you use your core collection as well as teasing thing that might not be available for a while a couple years ago when I would do shows we wouldn't do any kind of press on it until the makeup was coming out now with social media people wanna know now what you're using. So I will always tell someone how to get the look with the core products. And some of the ones that are coming out for the next season. You have to wait for there's no way that a company is big as mind can rush things out. It really takes eighteen months to get something out the door for my DEA to on the counter. So let's talk about transitioning makeup from season to season, which I feel is that much more relevant in these conversations about scene by now because you see something for fall, but there's the buzz. Now, you want it for summer are there certain looks that are just fall just spring. Do you think things need to be compartmentalized like that? Or can there be a fluidity to these? I think there's definitely a fluid especial. Especially because we're still in theory and winter here in New York, and it's going to be seventy degrees on Wednesday. So I think that a lot of our seasons are pretty much kind of rolling into each other. And I and I do think the most modern makeup is season 'less. Yes. In the fall, you'll probably do a little bit richer lips a little bit, you know, more on your eyes and in the spring. Everybody's ready to go share and pink in pretty. So I think that will always happen. And I think holidays always about sparkle and maybe the red lipstick or something bold. So I think the season is good for that. But the basics like the foundation the conceal her. The bronze ING powder that's all year. And it just depends how much sun you've gotten what color skin is right. And do you think? That's why. I mean, you were a pioneer in some ways of of the no makeup makeup sort of been all over the place in the last few seasons like with your Newt finish collection. Right. Do you think that that resonates with women so much because of its season listeners that you know, you need it almost all year round. Right. You know, Hugh. Can kind of use that as your base in riff. Well, my philosophy about beauty is really simple that I do. Find natural beauty the most beautiful. And sometimes you need make up that enhances your skin. So the nude look for me is it revolutionary. It's what I've been doing since the day, I became a makeup artist and even early on in my career believe it or not it was the eighties. When makeup was very very different. And I was the first one to to really make girls look like they just had a healthy glow. And people told me I would never work because of so I pretty much just have, you know, really stay true to who. I am. But I think women look the most beautiful, it's my style. Some of my sister make up artists, you know, sister and brother makeup ours have very different styles. And luckily in our big world of fashion, there's room for everything right? I feel like it's interesting to go in the eighties meant everything was very much in your face is more. You know, heyday covens always there's always sort of a pendulum swinging effect that happens. Fashionable. It certainly happens in beauty. I think probably what you started doing back then felt really refreshing in some ways, it was a pallet cleanser right now which direction do you see the pendulum swinging? Now, you know, what I I don't think it's swinging. It's going to swing as far as it used to swing. I think that it pretty it. Swings a bit. But then it goes back, and ultimately the consumer wants makeup that makes them look normal and regular and pretty and the trends for the magazines that maybe is a little more testing in creative is so inspirational in the magazines, but all of those are not always translatable to a woman walking down the street. So I just think make has to work with you. And also has a lot to do with your age. I see a lot of young girls that could put on this like hot fuchsia lipstick and nothing else and look amazing. If a woman over forty would do that it wouldn't work. So it really just depends on individual. You know, women right individuality is a big key word yell for fall. And it was for. For spring as well. Right. And I think it's about what works for you. And you know, for me, it's always simple in the classics. But that's who I am. But then you know, I might find what is the one trend that I actually really like and one of my favorite fashion trends in the universe is sneakers. We can wear sneakers anywhere. I mean, we never could wear. I love it. One thing that I've been noticing. That's happening. A lot at the shows both last season and this season is we've had so many back to back seasons of no makeup makeup, very bearskin. And we're starting to see a lot more self expression right through makeup both on the runway from social media, which I think to your earlier point speaks to the individuality that make up affords you have you been noticing that a bit as well. I have noticed a lot. I've seen a lot on Instagram, and others social outlets and one of the biggest trends that came out a couple years ago, which I know is still trend, but I've always been very anti and spoken publicly about it, which was contouring. Not not not a fan. I don't understand why so many needs to contour face. I find the face beautiful as is. And I like to enhance what I see. I also think contouring sets a bad message. It says something's wrong with you the way you are. And if you don't have cheekbones, you don't have cheekbones beautiful, and that's fine. And most women the when they do contour, you know, look, I'm glued to those YouTube 's when I see these women make up artists or bloggers, totally transformed their face in a very unnatural strange way. It's just it's mesmerizing could make themselves. Look like truly other people. There's that one Angelina Jolie tutorial where she manages to look like at the end. It's it's amazing in my, you know, it's funny. My background is the makeup. I studied and got my degree from Emerson college in Boston. And so I studied how to do contouring like that for the stage. You can't walk down the street like that. It doesn't look good. I mean, even. The best makeup are shoe. See it on their skin. It's for the runway for stage. So that's a trend. I don't really love. But you know, I'm amazed especially with all these new cool Gips that bloggers and girls are doing to be able to line your eyes and to do either thin line or a the Africa line or from the season. It was you know, the very geometric line. You know, very graphic. I love seeing video of it. Because a lot of people just made it up, right? Like where does the line start? Where does it stop? It's it's fascinating. Why do you think contouring speaks to so many women is it just at it because it's a trend, and it's out there, and it's in your face, and you can't avoid it. Or the contouring speaks to in for many reasons as one is the popularity in the strength of the Kardashian. So they were all about the contour. And that's you know, how they started their beauty brands. So everybody knows you know, the reach of any Kardashian. So that's number one. But number two, I think look. We all wake up sometimes we wanna be someone else. And yes, if you do it with makeup, it's easiest thing in the world. I think there's better ways than doing it with contour. But I think that women do like to see themselves differently in your opinion. What's an easy way to kind of give yourself a fresh start. So not mask yourself, not not transform but sort of become the best version of yourself. If you know, you could say they're five products would use to that. Well, I wanna watch is not a contour contour palette. And trust me. My foundation sticks have been used even by the Kardashians to contour. So thank you for that sail. But but honestly to me if someone wants a new look and most of the time, they are working too hard their stress, they're tired. Maybe they have a new baby. Maybe they have a new job you want to figure out how to use makeup to look better, which means not to look tired. So people forget that moisturizers are as important to make up as foundation as so the right moisturizers will instantly. Transform your face and make you look fresher and the right? Correct. Corrector conceal. Her is to me better than any spanks. You could buy fear body instantly fix. What's bothering you? And then if you line your eyes and putting some killer mascara, and you know, I browse really important too. So try really, yeah. There are big trend, but they're also important to us women, but I feel that's one of those things that I kind of discovered later in my mediating career and shared with many friends. And when you realize the power of eyebrows eyebrows game changing, right? It really is. You know, one of the reasons why I love, you know, radio so much. I don't have a stitch makeup on. So it's really fun to talk about it. But you know, some days you, you need all that and other days. It's okay to go without. Yeah. You know, especially we haven't really talked. We talked about the trends. But what's really important to me is beauty from the inside out. So if you really take care of yourself on the inside, you'll look a lot better on the outside, which you know. Nick, citing turn of events is actually becoming mainstream more and more. Have you always been a firm believer? You do you take supplements to you? What do you do to make sure you pretty crazy or I am I am pretty crazy. And I believe that you know, the better I take care of myself. You know, the easier it is to do my makeup. And so I believe in exercising. I believe in you have to hydrate with a lot of water coconut water water because that makes a big difference in your skin, and how you look and eating vegetables and healthy fats is the number one thing, you know, if you're someone that doesn't eat and you smoke cigarettes, and you just are always inside and stress you're not gonna look so good. And so it's really important. I think health and beauty has always been hand in hand. And I think it is becoming more and more popular. Yeah. I think the term beauty has become much more all inclusive of what that means. Right. Yeah. It's not just what you put on the outside. It's really what you put on the inside that makes the outside look good. Yeah. Toback for a second. So the popularity of contract obviously came from a lot of. Of reality stars a lot of YouTube tutorials. Do you follow to'real toils? Are you are you is is YouTube your medium, are you more of a Twitter, Instagram user? I am much more of an Instagram being visual person. I not only like posting pictures. I do the brand my personal one. But I also love surfing. I just Instagram surf. And you know, sometimes my husband has to just literally hit me on the back of the head and say, let's go because I do fall down that rabbit hole weather. It's you know, an illustrator who so cool, or or, you know, makeup looks behind the scenes at the shows. I mean, I wasn't in Paris. But I'm seeing what's going on behind the scenes, and it's really interesting to me, but I do go on YouTube, and I look at videos, and, you know, besides the cute baby ones. I do look at the makeup ones and some of them are better than others. But they're quite something. And and it's about good lighting with good lighting, anything will work. Yeah. That's true. Can you name drop a few Instagram accounts that you? You've been really into recently. Sure, we'll beautiful destinations just because it's these amazing places in the world that you wanna go, and I love really crisp clean pictures. I also daily go on clean food dirty city, which is this young woman named Lilli who shoots everything with beautiful light down really really, healthy foods Sikora life. I love really really cool. And I love you know, I follow all of my artists. And I see what they're doing with makeup, and especially when quote unquote, mom's not around do some really cool fun things that you know, are really fun to watch. So I I do look a lot can you? Remember discover you've made on Instagram really, whether it's been an illustrator, sure. Food stylist or a chef or whatever I Well, I I did actually hire lily from clean food city to to cook for me for my company, and I met her on Instagram we have coming up for our spring collection. We have an illustrator that I found name Richard Haines who is really cool, and he decorated some pallets. Coming for fall. And I know I've I've seen so many other people, but I talked to people on Instagram, it's kind of strange, but and they talk back, and I answer some of the people that talked to me, and what I love is when I post something from the brand I to read all the comments of what people love what they don't love. And if they're not having good customer service than I send it to someone. I just it's a great way for me to really understand what people are are are thinking. And that's certainly a newer development. You know, it's part of I think the democratization of beauty, and fashion which have always sort of been you weren't able to kind of have the communication have now, which I think is great for both consumers, but also for artists it informs how you create design right? And I and I see a lot of really great un-integrate like those very quick little videos. I don't know if they're probably boomerang at are. Just, you know, these really funny quick ones, and you know, they're informative, and I there's a lot of us out there. A lot of visual. People that we don't read words, we actually look at pictures to learn things. So, you know, I think Instagram's great for that. So technology is obviously improving every day, and there's new formulations coming from new video frontiers. Especially South Korea, recently, I know you were recently there for your skin foundation cushion compact launch, right? How is that influencing the way you're formulating the way that your producing and sort of thinking about new collection? Well, it's it's amazing because that product was actually made in Korea. So Korea has been a giant force in beauty the past couple years from k pop to you know, to the Korean skin-care to BB cream, which originally was in Germany would Korea adopted it. So it's very very big and beauty. And it's one of you know, my company's biggest markets is Korea. So I really believe in in doing what's right for for a woman. And I do think that the Korean beauty is popular everywhere. So in. What I love about. It is it's it's clean. It's a it's a very clean look. And that's what I really love it. How else would you categorize what sort of Creon beauty is? And what's what it's bringing to in the American market will the BB cream was an amazing multitasker, it, you know, it was did five things and women like that. Because women are very busy and have a lot going on. And I also think that's one part of it. The other part is you know, trends, you know, the Korean beauty culture sets their own trends. And now the world is wants to now be part of that were before it would be that. They would follow the trans. Now, they're really setting the trends and beauty is really important to a Korean woman. Thank you so much for being here today. You are welcome come somebody as they say career. Please be sure to go to the I tune store and subscribed to the vote podcast.

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Episode 16: Thoraiya Dyer

The Worldshapers

58:16 min | 2 years ago

Episode 16: Thoraiya Dyer

"Welcome to the world shapers conversations with science fiction and fantasy authors about the creative process. On your host Edward Willits. And this episode's guest for Raya dire. Welcome to another episode of the world shapers. I'm your host Edward Willett. I started this podcast because I am also a writer of science fiction and fantasy as are my guests, and I've always enjoyed talking to other writers about their creative process. So I decided, hey, why not make it into a podcast? My latest book is actually called a world shaper. It's the first book in new series cold world shapers. And if you think that might be why this podcast is called though, world-shapers you would be exactly right. And it actually kind of ties in because it set in a labyrinth of shaped world or the people who have the power to shape these worlds live inside the world's. They have Shaked. I'm not sure that many authors would actually like to the Vince the world's that they have shaped certainly some of the ones I've created over the years. I would much wanna live there. Nice place to visit wouldn't want to live there. But that's kind of the premise of world shaper publisher's weekly gave it a starred review and called it a Rawling contemporary fantasy book. This said it was quirky and fund. So I think you might enjoy it too. If you'd like to check it out, you can check it out on my website at Edward, Willett dot com to tease on Willett. W I L L E T T dot com. You can find a sample of it there, and you can find out about all my other books. There are are quite a few of them other. Recent things have included a collection short stories called paths to the stars. And even a collection of science fiction fantasy poetry illustrated by my niece, Wendy del called I tumble through the diamond dust. So this is my website. If you're interested check that out, and you can find all of these books your favorite online bookstore. All right. So that's enough about me. It's time to get onto this episode's guest three dire. Three a dire is a four-time areola award winning three time Ditmar award winning Austrailia science fiction writer and veterinarian a graduate of Sydney University and resident of the beautiful Blue Mountains her work as appeared in Clark, swirled, apex cosmos. Analog and various US Australian and policies including bridge Infinity edited by Jonathan stran- and published by celebres for her original short stories are collected in asymmetry available from twelfth planet press. Dire is represented by the Ellensburg literary agency as indeed M, I she's member of the science fiction and fantasy writers of America and her titans forest big fat fantasy trilogy. Those are words comprising. Crossroads of canopy echoes of under story into tides at the titans set in a massive magical rainforest is published by tore and we'll be talking about that in this podcast. You can listen to short story set in the same world at the chimney bore and the Tanner at podcast dot org. You can find our online at the Raya dire dot com. You can follow her at three dire. Twitter for tweets as she puts. It not just about books, but her other great loves the environment. Bush walking, archery and traveled, so three wealth. To the world shapers. Thank you. So I always liked to figure out the connections that I have with authors. There always seems to be something either. A lot of them I met at a science fiction convention of Kerry. But not you are only connection. I could find is that we share agent. You have have you? Alan Berg agency. Yes, Ethan, Allen Berg agency. So but we've we've never met. No. But we know we have the Canadian connections will my grandparents astray in grandparents sit off on a trip around the world to teach in as many countries. As I go to nice got stuck in Canada twenty five years. So my mother spent her formative years in Kennedy, and my is on Vancouver island high away. Away. I feel like we have that as well. I guess we do that. We're going to talk about your titans forest books in the course of this. But whenever I get started. I always like to take my my guests back into the mist of time. And how did you become interested first of all in science fiction fantasy and then in writing did that happen at the same time where they separate things. How did that happen for you? Tightly tightly at the same time. Yeah. I think all kids. Love getting lost in worlds of the imagination say the mo-. Putting a question is why some of them stopped reading science fiction or stuff enjoying the sorts of stories as very lucky that my mom was a science fiction fantasy Fain. She head so many paychecks from the fifties onwards, but also said a child-friendly ones luck as a moles robot, stories and. The flight to the mushroom planet that one I remember the title. I don't think I ever read. It's bad of a couple of kids into these Ed in the newspaper someone wanted to volunteer to pay the space. It's and it's it's so good. And then. You know, fantasy wise aided Blyden and the jungle book and the never ending story were all the. Yeah. Love those right off the bat. Blyton is a name that. I don't think anybody else has mentioned yet. But I actually know her work because when I was in university. I I lived with a family and Edinburgh for a little while, and they had all these ended light and books the famous five books, and I read my way through those even though I was like eighteen because there was nothing else. Astor? Phil. The magic faraway tree. No. I didn't read that one. That was the same sort of adventurous group of kids is he had the sinus, but you know, discovered these magical tree. Sort of fairies, and and things would live in the branches and the world at the top of the tree would change each time. You climbed up this. So you know, they in the world of dreams of the world of giants or the worlds of music and every time you climbed up. There was an adventus. I that's predictive say. Great books. Great books. So when did you start trying to right? Well, I guess you could say that the first science fiction story, I write was year in in third grade. I wrote what could be called STA was fan fiction. We had these Tosco spicy writing about a haunted Hassen completely subliminally. I ended up writing about the hero escaping by throwing a skull at the door mechanism. Not unlike Luke escaping the regular and. Yeah. That went on to read that in front of the class because I got great mocks for it. And then all the little boys of hyping up. Hey, doesn't that happening staff? Title. Always always loved writing. And then after I finish e twelve but before I started school, I was writing and submitting shield stories to strike in markets. But I didn't get eighty acceptances so off to school. I went and they didn't try game seriously until. So I was pregnant with my daughter, and I had to leave the veterinary workplace because of the x rays in the city send the hormones and things and I didn't want my daughter to end up with two heads. So San myself at Harmon thought, it's time to give this a serious, go and. Yeah. That's what I. Deep. Get my short stories published embraced by these strange science fiction community and the lady at into discovered conventions. And that's the wrist is history. Well, did you have those years when you were publishing did you take classes or workshops, or did you have writing group that you belong to any of that stuff where you kind of forging your own pay off all by yourself? Along to riding group straight. He's lodge and. Wasn't on social media about gay to various. Brought his fistfuls which they have heavy in the capital cities in the Brisbane one particular like the Sydney, Rhonda's fistful. He's very literary. I don't know what a slot in suspect one, but they love poetry and see Newcastle. And I was living said it wasn't much of genre. Fakest, but. Brace been which is like twelve hundred kilometers away from where I was leaving. Had invited. Gene Frankel from toys to teach one day workshops in those cyst right after my daughter was born and got good value from that. But that was the exception rather than the rule actually Cisco is similar and by the way kudos for pronouncing scotch who incorrectly. I. Punished. One ever heard was we were travelling in some kid looked at our license plate said Sascha chew in that. So that was very impressive. But yeah, it's it's much the same. I mean, it's a it's a big empty space. And, but we have a very strong writers guild here in the province and not a lot of John. Focus especially now, when I was growing up, and actually I'm I'm kind of the guy that writes the science fiction fantasy call them for their newsletter. Now, so. So there's a bit more of a now than there was when I was. Yeah. So what was your first published fiction? I published showed story is in a stray magazine code Andromeda, spice ways, inflight magazine. And. Think what was the title of the story? Oh, I should have done some research on my own website. You've had a lot of stories probably so. Yes. So. It's a really good format when you submit to them a hefty prices. So it's a rotating roster of additives say that nobody gets to time and tat. And they give really good feedback in. That's all I was after at the time at this story was published and then it was shortlisted for an Orioles award, which is the stray and juried speculative fiction award, which I head hood of bossing stickers on the cover of Sean Williams's novels that if you're familiar with showing Williams. But said that by going to that presentation ceremony. I mitt sort of the new visit Shaka's of a strain smo-, press and. Pretty amazing kiss. When I was doing submitting before it was pretty at many scripts in Pisces into the United States and footing these messy. Hosts each bills, which luckily, thanks to the wonder of ace of mission Steiner exist anymore, but it was Cussing me one hundred eight of us. So and then after that are you wrote a lot of short stories. The goal to takes it of eighty six up that I wanted to get like. The semi pro sale and then my prairie sale. I had my locus magazine and GIO troop to delete civil the markets and. On you. What I love raiding submitting to those. So excited to be accepted by clock swelled and analog still haven't cracked decimals, but I'm gonna trying. Rotimi? Good practice in. Yeah. Not taking it too. When you get rejected stood me good. Steve Nelson missions for one thing. I found interesting is to you. Right. Both science fiction fantasy and some authors. I talked to do that. But other specializing in one or the other do you? Find it easy to move back and forth between the Jonah's I do, and I love said of different with H one life feel with the science fiction. You know, there's that my meant of understanding. You realize that something is possible that you never thought was possible before or some kind of you say some kind of scientific concept, which was just numbers and live is on a page. Suddenly the meeting of it to Seoul on folds and a love that moment of discovery with that, whereas think. We faint with magic. It's lists of. Understanding half things work and more that. Just feeling really intense feelings probably that children get to feel more. When they. When they don't know the limitations of possibility. I guess I'm thinking of that if you know, it's Christmas time and just head the chat with my daughter. She's just working at the Santa's not real and always thought to myself. You know, I'm never going to Tila straight at that these nice CENA unless she unless she comes to me with a question. And then I'll answer it honestly, say she's come with me come to me with the question. And I've said look now there isn't a scene terror and. This the sadness of that being taken away. I think fantasy let's see leaving the realm of infinite possibilities, and that's just so wonderful one. My hubby's of. Torri and loving to be nature. They will go towards what I ride on the faint seaside, whereas the veterinary science and rating the journals and staying on top of sit of current discoveries that occas into the science fiction side. What drew you into veterinary medicine? I love animals I wanted to Ziv it. Always with interest sitting saving digest from extinction. And then worked so hard to get into it. It's a very competitive coast here and then on the day, very slick as we head to zoos it coming Driss the class, and he was like, well, here's how he's got five zoos, and there's like threes UV it's in the whole country. And if you wanna get one of these coveted positions pissing can do is, you know, maybe work with kettle potential. You know, they lodge animals, and they the most similar to Gerard. And you run is and not just count work with cals for ten or fifteen years. I can't do it. So I gave up on the plane and. I'm a small animal Vicini Aaron, but I do as much wildlife and booed work as I can. Really love that. It's going to say when I was in high school. I was drawn to veterinary medicine for a time. But what kind of cured me was I did a spend a day with the provincial veterenarian, which I found out that his work consisted of chasing CAL's around five yards in the middle of the winter. And then, you know, vaccinating them or doing blood tests or whatever. And then I was reading the James Herriot books, of course. And I was thinking you have to put your arm where? Right. So yeah, what you want to be telling bad at potties Cup telling hand. Yeah. I mean, it's really physically demanding. And again, I imagined it would be saying there. It's a lodge area this lodge decency to drive the twain funds and being on coal. Weighs down. I mean, I was on coal as a young of it on not now because I can't do the thing where you work all day. And then you style whole night with wilting dog snake bite or TC prelates case. And then you still got enough brain Powell if to still be there at work and working day lock couldn't do it. Couldn't do these days. Remember from the couple of your of your hobbies, archery. And you also have quite a bit of karate training. Have you used that in your in your fiction, you're kind of insight into martial arts? And archery. Absolutely always trying. We're cat hair. Things would actually work. It's been a long time since karate. Oh, yeah. To get those max to get into head to something head to give. So I gave out martial arts at that stage. But more for ak- is when the story saying crusades canape, the main character easy magic. Whereas the protagonist of the sick and book is a physical thought as more using my karate and Autry knowledge in the second book than in the midst of you felt reading fantasy over the years that are tree is often badly done. The I have had that thorn. But then when I mentioned it seeing how little it matters to most people want is makes me wonder if I've been thinking it and sit of over researching, and they you know goes with the theme of. Finding at cool stuff. And then feeling you stories we'd say much cool stuff that you haven't got room lift. Breath and develop can't be bad habit. So maybe I just throw all my practical. The winds have all kinds of crazy, stunts luck. The ones in them recent robot hood. Gave me a giggle enjoyment. But. Was not any kind of historical. Accuracy was far as I can tell fighting would be a lot easier. If you could do it in slow motion. That's what I get out of. Little more time to think. I went to convention in Vancouver where they had some there's a call. Remember the name of it? But there's a company out there that does Nettie sword fighting people do it as a fitness class, in fact, and they had a panel on on fighting. And basically what for some reason I was on it? And I said, I'm not an expert biting means. So my philosophy is if I can't be accurate just be. Deviate. He blocked blows physics as well. Exactly. Well, you mentioned. Cross. Crossroads of canopy. Though the cycle which I have here in front of me somewhere the second book, which is called. I bet you know. That's right. So let's talk a little bit about that. What was the seed for for that that setting? What what made you think I'd I'd like to write a book set in a giant forest world. Well, oh, actually sorry before we do that. Maybe you should explain what the stories about. Well, the story is about a giant rainforest and. You know, so so messy too. Should I be saying missing Columba's, oh miles? Let's say mild high, and and stratified so the the divisions between countries vertical not horizontal say, we've got a characters are in the uppermost level of these massive massive rainforest there in CD up if it's good it's ten theon of God's that are reincarnated into human bodies. And then MA in character. She's up there. Nobody knows what's going on in the low levels of the far too sold. Doc danna. You can't see what's there, and nobody can come up from beneath because we've got this magical barrier, which is maintained by the gods that separating them say that no demons can come up for Monday. And then, of course, foles dam through these Varia, and that is the kickoff hair adventures to sit of fund what's heading Dami. So what was the seed so to speak that sprouted this giant? I. Well, it was wanting to have countries that was stacked on top of other instead of sod bus side. And then yes because spend so much time in nature than looking this realizing that. You know in a real this and wild rainforest. They're ask basis that will stay. You know between these hind these high off the ground, and that's where I leave. So wanting to have a fantasy met divided up like that which I hadn't really seen before. Was really excited about doing that? And then the characters. You know, it's just gotten my l book of Greek meet Sam to read to my daughter, and and and Atalanta whose stories that she was raised by a and then they three hunters who are brothers kill the bay and takeover. The raising of says, she has all these med hunting skills. That was the story is reading. She is the basis for the character of immerse who is the protagonist of on the story that as I was working at the world. And and what kind of society would be for a character to be born into and going back in time. That's way, the character of came in. And then the seed I guess so the character of you now was just rating so many fantasy books where the floor hero is a lead to find redemption. Whereas e wouldn't get to have a flawed heroine who is regained in the same way. She's a villain or. You know, she's condemned. And maybe I underestimated him. On likeability the radio would toll-rate in a same out character because of head quite a bit of pushback against her. Jeez. That way deliberately it's not an accident. And I like. History. What's your process for developing something, you had these ideas? Do you do a detailed synopsis? Do you work with? A general idea. And then you discover it as you write it what what's the process for developing story. Title panta, but agents is. Preferred have outlines and. So my prices was to write things on sticky nights. If you look back he'll to spawn. One of them says Atlanta and another one saves countries on top of each other for the in these pudgy diagram and. An exercise book and then. After the idea collection. Heff to ride, and and I right and that line for just the one book. And then when my agent suggested that was not very likable. Instead of changing. Two big lockable. I said, look how do you essay cool with the Mojo kind of hero? And and that was like, hey, and that's how it got extended adding to trilogy. Three books. As you said, you have they'd have a different focus in the second one. So are they would you call them series? Or are they more like individual books, but they're all related within the same world. I feel like he could raid the second and third once as stained lines. But. Definitely if you're not season fantasy raider things more simplified and better explained in this one. So you want to stop there? It's it's three different protectiveness. And I hope done a good enough job explaining the story that. Yeah. Nate to rate them together. And I don't think that they I mean one since there is a big that starts in the beginning and finishes in the third book. But notice Strom to a true Szentesi series. I think. So we're new we're forced to write a synopsis. How how how long does it was? It was extremely detailed or still fairly general fairly general. It was bad pages for each book. The single space twelve point font. And I probably stuck to a bit of what I'd written. I know how closely do you follow your? You stay pretty close to what you've written. What do you change it up? I'm asking the questions here. Well, actually, a question I asked most people I talked to, you know, at varies from author author for me, it's probably sort of like that I have a fairly detailed synopsis, and I'm I'm selling the books on the basis of the synopsis, but when I actually start writing it I start to wonder and occasionally I'll get. I know with one book, I got close to the end. And I realized there was no way I could get to the ending that I had put into synopsis, so I had to reply to everything from there to the end. So yeah, I'm right in there with you. Yeah. I feel like as long as it's better than what you had before. It's okay. What happens is that as you're writing you, you know, the brain starts working on a different level than when you were set up. Sizing and things. I should ask you what what did you? Find is different about the writing as opposed to the stop sizing. You tell me well. Well, I think if you start with characters, and then you feel out the world sick. And after you've done this. Then you discover things about the world that fit bitter or that you could use more neatly to solve a problem. Whereas if we the plot then go the other way, then you might find that you've written is not actually consistent with that character. And then it's the characters who make go and different direction because you didn't think about them properly before when you were deciding what we're going to do to your character notes. Look like, a detailed sketch ahead of time or. Yeah. I mean, I try not to. Change the color of their eyes. And I might just putting putting extra may history. You know, they childhood because say format favorite body in. And then, you know, you always want to know what they love and what they're afraid of and. Good any irrational fees or? Goals in the other direction soon not more than a couple of pages do decide what characters you need. Hadn't decide what characters made the viewpoint. If again, if you started with a character based story, then you know, which character, but he started with a plot based idea then who's going to give you the good perspective on that. And. Heme many teenage like what is the minimum number. Yes, it can be like reducing a mathematical equation. We'll all have these characters gonna be if these that I really wanna see inside these characters these happens. But you don't want to have too many points of view and make everybody crazy. A lot of this. Of course, happens on the fly. You don't necessarily figure it out ahead of time. Some some characters pop up while you're writing. Yes. Only once have I completely changed pointy. And it wasn't even a novella a novel. It was an villa. I know if I'm hard working enough to go AK this novel to completely changed or if I'd just be like that's the same man of work is ready lately. Do that. Instead. What is your actual writing process? Look like to you. Right longhand. Do you write regular time? What how's it work for you? Say yeah, you find on the school drop off and say something or hear something. And I'm like that's going to be in my story of go to notebook that are carrier and with me Jody. And then when I get harm. I have got a separate very old, computer. That's not connected to the internet in a separate place far away from all internet connected devices. And I see it at it. And I have to stay there and till done fails and words today. That's very disciplined. Sometimes it's quick. And sometimes literally takes all day to produce pathetic. Amanda woods, but. There's another word for that. It's called a typewriter. Well, I then I like to be able to Beck it up. So because it's not connected to anything and carrying my little drive back and forth to my internet, computer. But I joined Twitter shortly after my fish short story was published and it was fantastic. It working the riders and saying like, especially sharing links to only amazing short fiction that's published free online magazines, but the whole day would go by we that any words thing written. If I didn't lock myself away. Yes. I I'm right with you on that one too. You've mentioned the the Australian science fiction writer community are very supportive. Do you have people that you network there that you either uses beta readers or just you can talk about writing with? I did find a lot of beta raiders. So. Went on joined it within the late up to the con-. I wanna say four astray was having world cone in them. Melvin and everyone all the small presses with really excited about. Having guess we're gonna have and. The opportunity to showcase excellent and often creepy work to the a lot of them. We're taking submissions and load of coming out. And so just opportunities to submit places. And also just to. Yeah. Just to talk about what you loved. It was great and still. You know, I feel like catching out we've PayPal once a year at the strain national convention is the bay made a move what I would want to do to stay in touch with people that I'm in. Schooled. And I went to Dan to see me. Once every couple of months, probably to write fun of work based if I'm not critiquing other tables, would I think I'm at a. Place now where I just want to make things and and find like, I know when it's good and when it's not good, and I'll just send it at intil. There's an edited who agrees with me. So I'm not doing a lot of the whole choking. So when I go to a riding group, we not radiate stuffing giving feedback, but we'd just doing sort of a simple thing to what I'm saying locked in my writing room, but we doing it in solidarity and just fitting in the same room something that Canadian science fiction writer, sometimes get asked is there's something that makes Canadian science fiction different from British science fiction or American science fiction. Australian science fiction. Do you think there's something? Noticeably. Australian about the work that comes out of Australia. Funny because I own notice growing up like my grandparents for in Canada, and they always wanting to support like Ladyson. They would sit me Charles delinked in go. I k- books are always found them to have more. Not stray leanness. I don't know. Really enjoyed. Something that the writing itself not the storylines because I with a sign, but this the actual rotting styles. Samed more strain to me. Maybe it was that if you're right. If you're a Canadian, right? I e feel like you need to explain your cultural references because otherwise Americans went get them and that differently has to happen. If you're sitting stirring, the strata and warning to sill it sees you go to explain things properly. Which adds a whole new level to you will building. Because not only are you trying to not info dump to had we the actual. Advanced science or fantasy magical thing that you're trying to explain. But then you just go to also on top of that explain things that are normal to you that might not be able to that radio. I don't think I didn't think there is much of a difference. I. Often people ask questions on panels will say, oh, you know, we're isolated in speed wide land. And it lends itself to Hora and a strain cinly right amazing HARA with the sense of oscillation. But I personally don't feel it since isolation. I love the stray move nece in. Highly no rating, my descriptions of forest, again, feel that it's coming from a place of being written by the wild and the woods. That's beautiful to me not threaten. That's actually something that's been said about Canadian fiction that it's it's man against nature, and the vast unfeeling cold, and and all that sort of thing, and such a what person thing, isn't it? It's like we here, and there's nothing and it's empty and like, no, it's really not anti it's full of indigenous people and. Yeah. I guess I haven't read a lot of indigenous Canadian authors, but that is my favorite astray in writing coming at the moment. Is indigenous rod is coming into science fiction fantasy and and bringing ebb salute connection and that sense of wonder and tower that it has good stuff. Now when you've got your completed draft. What does your writing process like did you tend to have a really clean manuscript? You don't have to do much or do you have a complete rewrite or how does it work for you? I didn't shouldn't have seen many. I mean, it's pretty Taty didn't have many spilling mistakes, but I have to drop back and try and look at the big plot elements and make sure that they work in. So usually run off the whole manuscript. John Ryan show stories month comeback to it. And brought onto the printed manuscript anything. That's charts is I'm reading through it again. And. After that. It's good to go to find it easier to spot stuff off of printouts as opposed to working just off the screen fits the screen or again just being away from the internet. I can take place and a theme. Absolutely. And I'm not a person that works with music at a nephew. Listen to me. I don't know. Silence tests and say, I should say, I do I do a lot of writing in coffee shops, and I can do it with just conversation going on around me. But if somebody too close, and I can hear every word that they say, then I'll put on headphones because I don't want to know about their whatever. And I've learned a lot about people sitting here coffee shops. But that I really don't care about. But I'm not somebody that sets a playlist, and you know, you have you have mood music for writing battle scenes, and you have different Musica writing scenes. I I've talked to people like that. But it's not the way I work that is strange mysterious. That world different. What's the Royal process? Like have you had the same editor on all the books of tour? Yes. Stay with the first book more agent gave me some editorial nights fist. And then after it was so. Head Diana doing the the city structure located and then it has the copy it it. And you know, you final. You final read fruit through of the galleys and things. Do you get a lot of stairs said you get a lot of editor? He'll notes from Diana. What's your style? Yes. So she I have not very good at the which she's very good because she'll say it, it's why is really digging in the telephones at the emotional. And giving all the fields. I maybe this isn't a strain think to that we like to a little bit understated rather than stealing things. And then the other major fail is that I am not interested enough in fastened to describe people's clothes. There's a lot of what are they wearing going on? So. Yeah, sometimes, but she's right Usenet. She's archers as easy to do it. It's when you know that there are I met world gone in San Jose. And she's one of the put me in touch with you. Because I I asked her after I met her she's an Email and and followed up with me. And then I said, well, you know, I'm looking for guests for for the podcast. And so you were one of the people that she recommended to me. So I'm very happy that she did. All of the people the New York people. I saw them agents editors. I've met a few but living in Saskatchewan. I don't make connections with very often. So you had the the first book, and how did it turn into a trilogy? You said that the second one you wanted to more. Traditionally roic character. How how did you know that you had more story to tell? I guess what I'm asking the kiss. I still head. They sell the character hanging around. So, you know, head my in book one, and I had my warrior in book two, and then I hit this character. And he's a bit of a. A poet of a spy. Didn't really fit in anywhere. And then I thought oh, he's my. My character. And that just totally feet with everything that had come before say he had heavy signed book as well. Go on his voyage of discovery. And then yeah. Then head my my three parts of a rainforest. My canopy under story in my first full Trump, mostly yes. Short fiction set in this world to have. Yes. So. One of the. Comments that even my agent made on the first draft of the manuscript was that my integ- inist didn't sane to heaven reasons behind her evilness. So sorry, do I say antagonise proteins, my antagonise? Daddy didn't have enough behind to. He wasn't feeling it. So I wrote to harangue back story, which thin tend into a story in its iron, right? And it was very kindly peaked up by poed castle. And. Dan. I just did a fantastic rating of it. I'm trying to think of the. The voice actresses name again lack of research a month. But I was really pleased with had that came in the other books of the book spin done as audiobooks. Yes. And I think I can remember that it's Christine Mashal that the voice of the they ought visions of novels, and although it's very strange hearing your thoughts come at an American accent. Very good. Also. I just had a five book why fantasy series? That's actually said in Saskatchewan. So it was one right? Didn't have to explain any cultural references because it's published by Scotsman publisher. It said it's. But it came out an audiobook, and I I find it an interesting experience hearing my words read to me by somebody else. Do you find do you? Find yourself listening to that. And thinking, you know, I kind of wish I had changed that before. I mean, and we'd short stories I will sometimes read the whole story led to myself because it really does let you find repeated yourself or you've got unnecessary decent. Seeing just extra words that don't really need to. But I can face not doing that with the novels. Say it does make you or turn that up a little bit. But Lynn only strive fiction. Well, the with the ones that I had said into Scotland I had to do a little. Pronunciation guides for places like. Moose jaw. Scandal lake which is where the action takes place and things like that. So, but and scotch when I think I had to make it clear how scattered pronounce well, people often want to know how to pronounce the name. I think everything else if say it. Hey, you want you know, it's like. It's like Joe rolling pronounces volda boat. All of us in the mainstream saying how we've seen it on the maybes in pronouncing, the hod tapers. She says that voldemort because in her hate it's from the French in that test. I think it's totally fun for authors and readers titties saying things different way. Now, I like to ask big philosophical questions here. You've been. You've written quite a lot at this point. Why do you right? Why do you think any of us? Right. And specifically why do you think we write this kind of stuff or why do you write this kind of stuff? I think. We write this stuff. I write these John Rabb because we have ideas for the feature. We can see a way that things could be different to Howie's. I've went to book launch of a well-known astray in poll Titian who had put out a book of he's rushing life. It was this at least of all these big important books. You know, read ward pace, and I've read this about the holocaust. And I've read that about. You know, these four, and it was very heavy in realists. And if he head rid any fiction, it was very literary and their stuff those being toting, universities and read a single science fiction fantasy book, according to these time these whole laws, and it just made me said because their politics aren't thinking about, you know, we don't have to do things the same way we've always done hack, and we break out of these tragic Sarkozy's that have haunted wisened civilization forever. And the first if on making things better is being able to imagine and just think science fiction. As able to contain all those ideas and help us extrapolate and fantasy is. Is giving us that sense of control too. This is the way that this thing happened. But what if it didn't happen that Wayne State, and that's also sits so mentioned, even some portent. Yeah. And so I personally and putting things in my books that I want to read in cut find the strain content. Probably was vegan started in not looking close enough to find stuff like the indigenous content that I mentioned. Authors luck Alexis, right, whose genius and writes, strain content better than I ever could. Have now swimming into my kin, and these days, I find it's liberties content that I can't find my father bang from limit on. And. While there's a lot of short fiction net. They're really excellent fiction face avatar, and Sarah Saab, incorporating Arab. Mythology into the stories. The one really great racist novel, which is the one by Sela dean amid. Gonna be this is trilogy. He's gone into COMEX now so that sort of list literary Arabic Szentesi is what I would like to do next was leads nicely to one of the upcoming questions, which would be what are you doing next? But I'm not there yet. The other. That the name of this podcast is the world shapers. You've kind of said this a little bit of what you just said. But when you're writing are you you're shaping fictional world. Are you hoping in some way that you're shaping the real world, or at least changing your readers in someway? I think that modifing true before. Sit of online became the main way, we head of sharing culture. I think a book can't have the influence now. That maybe could have head back Wayne. Keep Stanley Robison was riding red MAs. I'm glad he's still doing it. But I think maybe films. Malware that as far as changing public opinions. It's interesting thinking the impact of art forms that there was a time when people would riot over paintings or. Poems or pieces of classical music and those things are still being presented, and they're still they're still vital art forms. But somehow they are no longer the the central art form that impacts people's thinking. And I think you're right. I think it's gone to movies are actually probably even more television series. These days. Yes. I would agree which is too bad as a writer, but. I say that just re what's arrival last night because it's on Netflix. And that came from a show story at an awful lot of science fiction stories now a lot more than ever before being turned into film and television series. Not mine yet my anybody's listening. You don't have to produce. It just give me a lot of money. I'll be fine. I think that may be the best of all possible worlds. So now, we get around to what are you doing next? What are you working on? Now. So what I'm working on? Now is say my favorite film. If is the seven seven RAI I didn't I save sane. As a love it say match, and I am working on a a ole famous version of inefficiency Arabia sitting at it's so much fun. Cool. Yes. My dad used to tell me. Instead of the standard. Western fairy tales. I'd get a bit of the creepy story about he got to the woods and the unicorn is there, and whereas you might think, oh, it's wonderful. You know, he's lovely white magical being with the medical horn in the Arabic stories that he would tell always trying to kill you issue. They haunt and you had to dodge behind a tree and trap them when they horn went through the trunk of the tree, and then you would cut off the heads and take it back to like, I Kate. Say yes, the unicorns that you will find in this book are bit more like those angry ones. Then. That you might French ferry title. He expected publication date or for that or early decided I. Say talk, it's this. But I haven't heard anything back yet on my Mary way writing it. Yes. And looking in the future would you like to write fulltime? And would you always want to keep the veterinarian side of things? If everything really well, and you were able to support yourself writing fulltime would that be your choice or do you like to break from bitten wick eventually gone back in the last little while the kiss. So doing the writing in the state home mum thing and then one day. I went to my daughter to the best of need to. And I was like, well, I k- looks like I go back to my day of then. Being back in that space. I did really miss the animals and also forces the interests mostly needed this town of any bane. He fits months, and I think if I had just paid writing alone in my non connected. Wouldn't have met the papal and become more integrated in the community. So our think our will I will probably keep doing it as fun as it is to leave the leave. It Hyman you pajamas life writing magical stories meeting. Actual people is good too. Yeah. Talking talking to here. Yeah. I think that's bringing as close to the time here. So. Where can people find you online with? You're not off lied, right? I can find my tragically behind and not racing. Updated website at Thuraya diet dot com, which is T H A Y A D Y dot com. And I'm at the riot dia on Twitter three novels of titan. I are they crossroads of canopy. It goes is under story and tides of the titans, which is coming at the end of January, which is should be just after this airs of good timing there. Thank you. And thank you very much for for being a guest on the world shapers. I really enjoyed talking to Chet that has gone slim by thank you and make sure you come to New Zealand world con-, which will be close to me and not too far away from me. I should actually. It's a little ways. I actually set a scene in a large portion of one of my books the aforementioned why fantasy series of the SARS of scholars series actually said as a section in the mountains of New Zealand. There's a book called lake in the clouds and the lake in question is actually in New Zealand. It's so beautiful you meth gate mine. Nice to go there before I wrote about it probably. Want to know if he made any exactly. All right. Well, thank you very much for being on the world shapers. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks again to for being my guest on this episode of the world shapers. I thoroughly enjoyed that conversation, and I hope that you did too. And I hope that she will come back to the world shapers for many more. Great conversations check some of the ones that have already been released. There are quite a few of them already with some of the best selling and best no names in science fiction fantasy and I have many more great guests lined up in the future. You can find the world shapers online at the world shapers dot com. You can find it on Twitter at the world shapers, you can find it on Facebook. 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