16 Episode results for "Elizabeth Moss"
Green Lantern Emerald Knights
"Re wondered admiral nights is a great dvd that weaves together some great g. l. stories. Here's executive producer bruce on emerald knights. It's really cool. It's it's similar in format to the batman gotham knight film in that it's Covenant theology has got like five different stories plus an overall art that ties them all together. The big difference being that each of the individual stories focused on a different green lantern in the green lantern core. So it's not like five. How jordan stories it's you know There's a kilowatt story in a mogo story and a history of the first green lantern and so it's really cool each one has has its own Different kind of look and feel dealing with a different Cultures of these different greenlanders and the things that they come up against. It's it's neat. Movie and visually spectacular. It's amazing to look at so has a great and unique voice cast. Here's one of them. Henry rollins who voices kilowatt. The character for me wasn't all that hard to find. He's not a complex guy. Takes his orders. He gives orders. He knows right and wrong. He takes care of bad guys and keeps people alive. That level is life is pretty simple little backstory. On the the fact that you know married with a kid or mere with the kid on the way in the flashback sequence gives him a little bit of like. Aw you know he's got a gal passed that man. He's just up at five. Am clap push ups and onto the dining facility. So there was not a lot of subtlety involved. I really doug how they put it together. The animation is first rate and definitely a must for any green lantern fan. And there's also a video preview. But batman year one which looks awesome madman's elizabeth moss is one of the actors in the film and she talks about her character. I play a regia. Who is the new recruit for the green lanterns and I think she's a sort of a couple of generations and in her family and so her first of day on the job if you will is a lot of explaining and she's sort of late and you have a meeting and it's all very overwhelming. And she was kind of just plucked out of class and his now thrown into being. You know the intergalactic police force nathan fillion is how jordan. I found a lot of success. In saying here's a character that i'm going to play. Here's what part of this guy is in me. And then i just go find that bit in me. Oh yeah that's what i when this stuff happens to me. This is how i feel about it. That's exactly like this guy that's where this guy lives. He lives in that one. Little facet that. I i understand i completely understand. I can be empathetic to that on just living that little spot of me and then mumbling a lot like you couldn't ever aspire to be superman because you had to be from krypton so the idea that you could be be singled out that there'd be something special about you. You could always kind of have that in the back. You could potentially could be me if i was cool enough and relaxed enough and was good enough a good person. Yeah it could be me i could. I could be potentially singled out to have ring power one day or maybe some kind of bandanna or wristband boots whatever it might be. I'll take it.
Full Episode: Tuesday, June 18, 2019
"Hi, I'm Brad milkey from ABC news and want to tell you about another podcast that I host called start here. It's every weekday morning. And in twenty minutes, we will get you teed up for the stories driving your day with context from experts with on the ground access so start smart and subscribe to start here is there, something that interferes with your happiness, or is preventing you from cheating, your goals, better help online counseling. Is there for you? Connect with your professional counselor in a private online environment, schedule secure video, or phone sessions, plus chat, and text with your therapist listeners. Get ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash Nightline. Els like dad, please help me a vicious and almost deadly encounter issue, breathing. If she is, she's barely in bad shape. I mean it's her legged almost gone. I kept saying, I got you was a lot of blood Boston, and an incredible survivor beating all the odds, I did not think I was going to die. Seventeen year old page winter attacked by a shark earlier this month off the coast of North Carolina losing most of her left leg, and sustaining serious damage to both her hands, but her fighting spirit and fierce determination inspiring, so many, what is your message here sometimes life just throws really weird obstacles teeth. This is one of those really weird Ray the obstacles, it's really hard. But isn't that why we do things anyway, their heart? On June second page at her loved ones are join a day at Atlantic beach playing in waist high water with her family, when she is suddenly pulled underwater. I was like laughing because I thought, you know, sometimes you go to the beach with your family, and they like grab your leg underwater as a joke. Not like really funny. I'll so then I start struggling, and I'm like pushing with this foot away, and I start feeling around and I feel it I go from front to back, and it's kinda smooth. So I'm like, because it's like a snapping turtle, what's happening, and then it just starts like you know, how like a dog they get a rope and they just got going like with their with their whole body. She reaches down tries to pry the shark off of her. I remember giving up for a second now. I was like, no wait a minute. I can't do that. Like that's not an option. So I start praying I'm like I'm seventeen. Like, please don't let me die like I'm not ready to die. And then my dad pulls me out of the water. Her dad, Charlie a firefighter paramedic immediately springs into action, you could tower. She was because you can see pink on the water. She was already getting pulled back. That's why dove and I grabbed her. I'm what you do. And I pulled her up you could see the short come up right with her. And then you just a media just start eating with everything you could when he was staring at me sideways. It's the biggest black. Piercing. How did you know I didn't I just knew it had my girl. He remembers fighting off the shark then carrying page the shore. He says he switched from paramedic mode, to dad mode carrying it through the water. I was holding her leg. It's time as I could to stop the bleeding, and then once I hit that shore on the dad dad, and I just wanted to take take the moment in and hold her hand and tell her I loved her over and over again. Because if you weren't going to be around for five minutes, I wanted to the last thing that you knew how much I love you. I was scared. One of the reasons I thought it's just because how completely calm she was not this. I, I remember this isn't this isn't good. This isn't right. Really aware considering what had happened? I never lost consciousness. We're kind of pain where you in page my body went into shock. So I couldn't really feel anything. I just knew it was bad pages airlifted to bite it medical center in Greenville, North Carolina less than ninety miles away, as a team of doctors worked to save her life, pages attitude is still remarkably upbeat. She's pretty incredible as she wrote in the door to the trauma bay. She was cracking jokes. I told her that I was going to need to amputate her like, and she said, okay. Can I get a really cool prosthetic? You can get whatever you want the ability to reach violence level one trauma center. So quickly would be a key to her survival. If page had to go any further who knows what was going to happen and pages of the only. Person. This is going to happen too. There are other men, women and children that's going to have an accident. What happens to them? And there was another crucial intervention per page back on the beach a stranger handed over his belt. That was used as a turn it on pages wounded leg that had not been place. I do not think that she would have lived whatever kind of turn Kate. You're using you place it above the Senate injury. And then you've got to tighten it into the bleeding stops, it's painful the patient is going to hurt, but in order to save their life you need to place it. So the bleeding stops page is now facing lots of plastic surgery and physical therapy, a hand injuries were a lot more significant look like there were a surgical knives, taking her hands. That's a very, very severe injury to not only reconstruct, but recover from her doctors and nurses say, her positive attitude is maybe the most important part of a recovery. Her charisma plays a huge role in a recovery. What kind of patient is she? The best he spun, she makes coming to work every day when I have her this is so exciting so it's legit. She really is this way she wasn't as putting on for cameras. Since pages brush, with death earlier this month. There have been two more shark attacks along the North Carolina coast, including an eight-year-old, whose leg was bitten had reported how full sharp night and nineteen year old surfer Austin Reed who was bitten on the foot route onto my lead. And that goes like, oh my gosh, I saw my on my bike sock. There were thirty two unprovoked shark attacks in the US at twenty eighteen almost half of the worldwide total the chances of being attacked by a shark or roughly one in eleven point five million while sharpen encounters continue to make news causing concerns about safety at the beach page does not blame the sharks. This situation has urged me to learn more about strikes because even in the back of that ambulance, I was like guys like don't get mad at this Chartres like the shark is fine. Can you help people understand why you feel that way? I didn't do something directly to the shark, but I was in his water, you know, that's his house. I love sharks are killed because of shark finning, even though in the US it was banned in two thousand nine but only twelve states van the sale of shark fins shorts they're not going to get a Christmas card from you this year. I love the fact that she loves them. So this is somebody might recognize. Page surprising so many people with her grit and grace that we wanted to surprise her. I just wanted to give you a big shout out. He's my favorite meal, singer. Look at me. Lambere and I ran man Hinson. Robert Downey junior with a special request, like, Tony with Peter Parker few years back. I'm in a bit of recruitment none. I wanna see if you would join my footprint coalition, and be my North Carolina ambassador offer. Pages. Dad, Charlie says he's still struggling with how close he came to losing his daughter. I can't imagine for parent, what that must be like for you. What's our morning? They'll walk outside. You'll think about a little bit, you replace stuff stuff. But you know if she's going to be as tough as she is. And, and she's going to have the outlook she has and why shouldn't. I what has been the most difficult time I used to do like my own makeup. Now is dyed my hair by myself. And now I can't really. Doing you that, you know, but I know like, I'm, I'm going to be okay you feel me. I'm going to do all this stuff. I used to do. I was aware from the beginning, nothing's going to be the same ever again. Like I'm the I'm still I'm still pagey just. A little different. Got some pieces of the puzzle missing. But. It's okay. Sure, didn't touch your spirit. It did not. I'm Robin Roberts for Nightline Greenville, North Carolina. Bravo two page. And our thanks to Robin up. Next is life imitating art entering the world of the Handmaid's tale where oppression reigns supreme? Better help offers licensed professional counselors specialized in a wide array of issues, like depression, anxiety, and grief. 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You recognize this color right away. Handmaid's. This is our army of red. Get Kana came. These blood red cloves are arguably the break out stars of lose addictive. Hit the Handmaid's tale. They become a simple protest for global women's rights from reproductive rights in Alabama and Georgia to equal pay and treatment in Hollywood even protesting and lend in just two weeks ago during President Trump's state visit with my daughter. Catapulting the show scenes of oppression against women and two eight cultural phenomenon I'm only reason why you're not all in an interrogation room read now. So you only Elizabeth moss is an executive producer on the show and plays its lead character June. What is it like to know that your show is sort of being used in political protests and cultural protests? Those are the women who are actually doing the work there. The women on the front lines who are out there, risking something, and I'm inspired by them. Honestly, such a selfish, girl actress and Dowd. Please on Libya, eight terrifying part of the show's patriarchy. When I see women having the strength to get those customs on and go out on the street. It practice makes me weep it makes me want to get on my hands and knees and gratitude for the strength, and the persistence, and to stand up and say, no. The Handmaid's tale is setting into stupi an American future, where a right wing undiminished religious group Gilliat has overthrown most of the government and strip women of almost all of their rights girls will serve the leaders of the fateful. The show is difficult to watch fertile, women have been rounded up and forced to breathe for barren couples of the ruling class by being raped author Margaret, Atwood sees her book as a fictional warning. We're not living in Gilead yet, but they're Gilead like symptoms going on smear widely plays a handmade who has escaped the regime in fled to Canada. I'm sometimes a freight to actually examine what the parallels are because I'm you know, in a show that to me is fiction. You want the president of the part of the story, or not actor, Bradley Whitford who starred on the politically resonant west wing for seven years. Recently joined the cast of Handmaid's. He says he was obsessed with the show. Oh, we on the set field. There's a tremendous urgency. There is something going on in a lot of right wing ideology that it has to do with misogyny and has to do with controlling women. It's understandable, that this is hitting a nerve. Karn this season. The theme is resistance. I think that I think people relate to is that she's not a superhero, you know, she's a heroine, but she's one of us, she's a woman, she's a best friend, she's wife, she's mother. And I think that, that is, what is actually ends up inspiring people. We're on the Toronto said Handmaid's tale on the last day of filming season three so I can't get this, because it looks like nothing it looks like would looks like the back of a set production designer Elizabeth Williams has imagined and created a reset for the show, including this one command Lawrence, his home. This is where last season sort of ended with aunt Lydia getting thrown off the this dare. Just like Margaret, Atwood dozen her book. She says, you know, nothing that I've written has hasn't already happened. Nothing that we build doesn't already exist. Sometimes these rooms are a little cramped. And so we open it up by making the walls removable. And we get camera angles that we would not be able to get where's the sled? It's, it's right here in the corner. There's a beat of caulking, and then the onset Pinter's sliced the caulking and pull up the wall. And then when we're all done, of course, we put it back and tie title in Bruce Miller is the show's creator and executive producer. It's scary. When you show up, I said, you type something in your living room say exterior, you know, Grand Central station night, and then all of a sudden, there's all this stuff, you know, in the just kind of have imagined it into reality. Meets Dale has won eleven Emmys, including one for best drama and writing go home. Get to work. We have a lot of things to fight for. We have three tapes, we caught up with Millerton and editing bay as he finalized, the season three premiere especially the shot the daily of this. Let me see. I've got it in. Here we go. Sean, do we want the way the emotion of Hawaiian land before the music starts? Let me slide it down a little see how it goes against. We've we made it sadder. But don't write the super watt of dialogue in this world. They don't speak very much in. They're very careful about what they say, almost all the time, stripping out things that the actress can do better with their faces or with their bodies. They don't need the words and not given a lot of lines to communicate our supplies running low. Amanda Brogel please read up a loyal housekeeper and member of the resistance, I started slowly learning how to steal moments season two. I take slick of champagne or just adding other things into sort of give more dimension to a performance. She gets out. She remember me. She know that I gave her away a powerful part of the show. Storytelling is Elizabeth Moss's first person narration the voice over such a fluid thing because sometimes what ends up happening is in the cut, you don't need the voice over because it's come out in the performance, and the in the visuals. And then sometimes it really adds something just really important and cool. We always try to make sure that it is something. That adds to the story or eliminate s- and not something that explains, I know Andrew characters ongoing colorful language. Also makes it all relatable. She's thinking you're so good at dropping enough. Bob, that all you. I'm actually, the one who sometimes we'll decide not to if it's written in the script. I'll take it out, because sometimes it can be too much or something that you lean on or uses a crutch. So I try to actually make sure that they're really specifically used really add what you need to add in that moment. And in its third season most sees her character evolving into a leader, stronger, and smarter. And she does end up doing some things that are not pretty. And she makes them choices that I think people are going to question, does to some morally ambiguous things. I was watching I the trailer for season three if I'm going to change things. I'm going to need allies view watch that thing and you're ready, like hop into the battle with June. I wish I could say resistance was as easy as getting all your girls together, and having them, we're red and storming the castle. But it's just not least they're still hope if I'm here, and I think, June discovers that and she discovers, she's really got a become one of them in order to beat this. Up next, the babbling baby, bringing home the bacon. Good bacon. Exactly. Why coming into any mix? They are the father and son duo for the talk of the town. Exactly what I was way. I met dad DJ prior his talkative Tyke nearly two weeks ago, Kingston's only nineteen months old, but he's got a lot to say. Now, father and son, enjoying a new heart to heart talk landing starring roles in a new Denny's commercial. And what better way to hash things out? Then over breakfast. Exactly. Why come into these myths us feel better about that now? That's what I'm talking about. That's not line. You can always catch our full episodes on Hulu cannot America is there something that interferes with your happiness, or is preventing you from achieving your goals, better help online counseling is there for you. Connect with your professional counselor in a private online environment, schedule secure video, or phone sessions, plus chat, and text with your therapist listeners. Get ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash Nightline. You see headlines across your screen all day. But you're busy. What do you need to know what's actually shaping your wold? I'm Brad milkey from ABC news and every morning, we start here. It was extraordinarily for as watching here in Singapore is ABC's new daily podcast. A handful of stories just twenty minutes director Comey. Thanks for being with us. Newsmakers smart reporting taking you straight to the heart of the story star. Sitting here. Listen for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app.
Us Souls of a tether, undock together
"Hey, guess what? We've got another your phrase own mind and earthy is out in theoretic contestant today until where to go. All right. I have got an English proverb. And it says a cat may look at a king. What? Well, it's English. Kat might Luca decaying. I guess is your official answer royalty can sporty Jolla, no the additions might have worshipped cats. But that's not the answer. An inferior isn't completely restricted in. What they may do in the presence of superior that doesn't make sense. That's that's because you're in the presence of me superior. So that means I get to choose next week's episode. Let's get on with the show. Hi, and welcome to another episode of foia reference podcast today will be covering us the long-awaited much anticipated movie from the mind grapes of Jordan Peele. He partnered together with blunt house. So the budget was up from it out twenty million dollars in the opening weekend. It exceeded all expectation it was on track to have about thirty five million. And it essentially doubled that it's as far as I'm Debbie tells me, it is the most that an original harm movie has had in the opening weekend. Grunted we're not expecting blockbuster horror movies. Be other. You know? Yeah. Well, it's not the most easily consumable sort of movie like avengers, for example, true. Sometimes people just don't want to be scared out of their willies. So it was a lot. If I featured in south by south west, but it was officially for release in America much twenty two and it just came out in his Shelia just as possibly. And we went to watch it yesterday yesterday. So it's still fresh. It's still fresh in my yes. So the cast so that we have arguably the protagonist is located younger character at late. And then we've also got Winston juke as the loving diverted husband gape, and then you've also got the children Jason. Yes. And a whole slew of characters Elizabeth Moss's also in this as well took some time out of Handmaid's tale to do another horrifying. A whole slew of other characters as well. I think a lot of people trusted in Jordan, pure because of get out so on the back of that. And all of the accolades get out deserved. Check out our episode that we did a couple of weeks weeks ago of get out. You know, he got the clout and. Even in his interviews on the success of get out. Joan appeal was saying, you know, I'm just glad that I can just make movies now, you know, having to so get out was a risky thing to do especially in the climate in America. So the fact that get out was so successful. He was able to make this movie and evidently with the boss box office sales people trusted enjoying appeal. So everybody had a lot of anticipation. What's it going to be about? It was made very clear through interviews is wasn't just going to be a story about a black family just because they're black. There's actually a message behind it. They just happen to be black. So we tried. We we definitely successfully avoided any sort of spoilers. But it was not easy wanting to learn about this movie and not tripping. Spoiler town was very hard. But it was good. We got there especially because we had to wait a week in Shelia or trying to navigate that was quite hard. As with every episode. We have we are going to delve into spoilers. So get out if you'll pardon the pun and watch the movie and then come back, and we'll have a nice little chat together. So what do the movie make you feel not even before that? Yeah. On all those a lot of hype when deservedly sir that can become a double edged sword as well. True. Those a lot of hype on how offer received Abdu and after the opening weekend in America under all the hype that it just. Generated afterwards and breaking also records. I was really eager to get two thousand as so we can go watch it. Yeah. And trying to a lot of things onto my mind on how would be like because I saw the trailer. We've had Don pill talk about it. And there's a lot of information there for us to consume on. How would have double meanings or it will be open for interpretation to a lot of people. And it'll it'll give you an array of options to what you'd want to go with. Yeah. Exactly. So I was really excited to see this and to experience this for myself. And making my way to the Yarra. It was a sense of excitement. And yet our still cautious. Really? I was super excited because I didn't. We've been bond too many times. Okay. One had would have hind like movies are getting all this rave reviews. We have we definitely have to see this. And then when you go there you'll so disappointed because it doesn't resonate with you or think that the story line meet. Expectations were set. So dunked my boss question. What did you think of the movie just a general overview of what you thought? Well, at for your reference podcasts, we likes to keep it real. So if we lose you. In this episode. If this is all you hear in a soundbite, I feel like actually I nor the cinematography the themes the acting the most of the. Secondary sort of elements that make a film would great and even. Toyed extent without fault. However, I do feel like it was the only way it we we came out of the theater aside from what was that would to lacking Kerr Hejin, and I will explain what that means. But again, if we lose you, and I'm sorry, but we would love to have you even if we don't agree lacking. Cohesion was a really big thing for me. I came out thinking, okay. Outside through what ninety? Of this. And I think to see the point the point of why it was laid out. All why the storyline was the way it was set out to be. Specifically speaking about the thin tethered and untethered. Right. So we have this two groups and will bent to believe that the talent people are clones, right? Yes. So I think as far as we get in this movie is they started to experiment on rabbits, and they slowly evolved in to humans, which to some point. They did find some success. Bon you wouldn't speak. Exactly, they did get to the human level. You know, you you graduate up to humans testing, but they didn't successfully be able to clone humans in their true form as we as complicated as we are. Yeah. And this whole touring aspect to other in being linked. You're connected somehow to the pass on your cloned from. Yes. So from my perspective when you tell me, this is Tele to the house to be a symbiotic connection between the two exactly not just a one way sync one can't feel one without the other. Exactly. So one doesn't have software issues without the other one having thing. So it's interesting the way that they say that the tethered it's only one way that's not that's not Telering, regardless of one of the pattern is a clone. If all if I had a call not their talent to me, I would be able to feel their issues and emotions on whatever if they're feeling mine as well. At least that's the way out expect it to walk. Yeah. And I think it's because we're very literal with this because where I take if two systems of tethered together, if one of them fails, what is the other one day fails, it crashes and fails, and I guess that's because you know, what that's essentially the foundation of what this movie is Senate on. And I really wish that they would further expand and explore that world and somebody that again, maybe 'cause we we did have some snacks. So I think maybe while I was grabbing my fries. Wasn't paying attention but talk about cloning. Right. And they talk about cloning humans where were the people that will monitoring and that will cloning. That because the same like, they're in these destitute subway systems, which is also another thing that is introduced in this movie may because we're not American. We don't understand the context. But there were lots of things that I felt didn't really tied together at the end of the muzo from onto stunning. It's that in America. There's a lot of. Abandoned, subways tunnels, whatever that, you know, people would be wouldn't really know. So eight resonated to a lot of Americans on that level thinking oh shit. I wonder this is scary to me as a horror movie because I can resonate with the fact that they might be people under their ills tunnels, and we'll systems, and we won't even know. So to me. It's just not that big of a situation to make you feel that I can connect to this movie on that level the emotional realistic level to me it felt it felt more untethered reality than get was. Yeah. You know what? I mean. Like, I can't believe that scientists are Ahmad scientist would try to figure out a way to put people's brains in other people's games. And I think there's actually been successful transplants. All that not graduated to the level of level of instances. Definitely. Yeah. So that's doubted reality to me. For us. The only thing that a failed might be realistic. Was the fact that was the fact that we had we had delayed. Yes. So that's lupita young. And she's playing she's been switched our age of war. All she when she was young less than ten maybe less than ten shows that amazing Parker, and they switched starts Adelaide with clone. So when they brought back she had problems of Justice society because he was not aware of how things rock she couldn't talk and Barents new from the get-go that something was wrong. Not that just from the fact that she couldn't talk the other things that just made the model freakout where house my daughter going. I just want my daughter back, and it wasn't surpassed more than just the linguistic aspect of of it. So. That made me feel like a mother's intuition is a strong thing and we've had stories of martyrs knowing when something's gone wrong, and it's one. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. You'll saying is it was beyond physically wanting daughter back. You think that she was at her daughter? Yeah. Okay. Interesting quill, actually realize something was intrinsically wrong washer putting pointed out because that's my daughter. She looks like my daughter she's wearing in closer my daughter. She's not my daughter has played at the fucking and say whales my daughter, you know, so you would. Your is telling you, everything the something inside you just screaming at you. This is off. You know? And I understood that I got that. But so let's go back to that. Because again, we did preface that they will be spoilers in this. So we found out that Adelaide wasn't Adelaide all along. Right. And she was when she went into that funhouse, she was what doubt or on dollars. The big douse. The crux of it. Yeah. And that was supposed to be the mind. Blowing splashing moment of all. I've just had a reawakening. And now my life has purpose all supposed to be the payoff of the movie. Yeah. I forget he dot com with the movie, and I was like. Go to this the solve. Toby remember teller we like this it like. What else are we going to experience because it's up there for what forty five minutes already? Okay. Sell it to me come on come on Dolan. Give it to me. Give me something that I know you get you capable of lack. It's not it's not other get out level. That's what thought street get out get ours was amazing and itself us in as much as there's different components as a whole it just doesn't translate as a. Good movie came. And that's exactly what I want to touch upon. So let's let's take a step back from the actual movie and talk about the orchestrating pots. Okay. It's very clear that Jordan Peele is an amazing storyteller which we've seen in get out. And even in the get outta I did reference. A key imperial sketch with Jordan plays a make a wish kid. We just watched it before wanna peeing you, man. Season four episode six of KMP. Oh, it's one of the last scenes of that episode that showed quite succinctly that Jordan Peele is a fan of horror. Not only is he a fan. He knows light and shade. And she knows the turn -ality. He knows how to be able to convey feeling because without was what like two and a half three minute sketch, but you were shaken to your call, right? You could feel it. And the reason why I wanted us to watch that before we recorded this episode is just to show that he's capable and he is capable of telling stories which we've seen through get out his a fan of horror movies. And this movie us follows the format of horror movies more than get out. If anything get out more of a psychological thriller, which personally that scares me more like you said if you can see yourself relating to something happening to you. That's something that resonates that scares me more than. The classics. The horror tropes is always a place for harm movies. And we definitely enjoy it. And I do feel like adding those heart elements to the underlying message what we don't even know what the underlying message is essentially, but adding that into the narrative of us kind of compromised, the cohesiveness of this movie because again, the heart elements were there when they went to kitty's house, and they were all killing each other one of the twins when when Zora Zora and the son Jason when Zora and Jason were going up the stairs. And you know, they had the little fire polka in their bat. And they're walking towards the camera behind them was one of the twins in a handstand, and I really appreciated that because that's so classic Kara. And it's a great truck. You know, there are some Chirps that we don't invite. Invite into our household. But that one we do, and I was like, ooh, look behind you. But yes, I really appreciated that. So is just. These delicious are moments that any sort of Hora fan will enjoy right. And I really appreciated that. And there are so many elements that had such a unique voice Jordan Peele. Brought to it. You know, I got five on it. I caught it and it will forever. Be referenced and Ted if you will to this movie even going back to kitties place. We'll play good vibrations. Never have you ever thought of that in a creepy soda context? No, right. The beach boys. The soundtrack on. This was amazing. And it's it will forever be something that will be referenced. And I think part of how I feel is. I wanted us to be the sort of movie that I talked to people about the shining fucking love the shining. You not I mean, and it's like you just wanna shake people and be like, do you understand? This is even though people already nerd generally accepted that the shining is an amazing movie, but you still want to shout at them and tell them how mazing it is. I wanted us to be that movie. I wanted to be at fault. A lot of my colleagues awhile understand didn't even know out there. Yes. All's going to watch it on me like make you have to watch us. It's amazing here. And I will not recommend us to anyone other moment here. Just because I feel like there's a lot of things missing in this. It's. I guess we if you wanna watch Ican watch it, but don't go to the effort of putting pants on and going to the cinema. Just waiting on Blu-ray will be out in a fee should be. So yes. So the the common Hora sorta tropes were there. Even at the start when you have Adelaide's character as a child her whistling in that funhouse, there's nothing more creepy than a kid whistling or kid singing. It's universally scary. So you've got those common comments of hard charts, which definitely were appreciated. The soundtrack was amazing. The acting was on par on the acting was so good. It was so good lupita knew what she was doing. Part of part of the disconnect that I had was we she had these deeply resonating moments and flashbacks, and she was feeling all of his pain. We didn't know why she was crying. You know what I mean? It's I understand you're giving me a good performance. But because you kind of distrust us into a world without any sort of context of how things work, I can't I guess that's Jordan might be saying that maybe that's him. Billy up to the to the trista the movie because we have read and utterly together. When they're just come to the house, right and read given the speech of how she had to go through this heart of getting of giving birth to children cutting own belly. Because you had to do this action on the self. And it's frightening. Yeah. And you could see Adelaide. Crying. And one that's one of the one telltale moments. This is this is this is important. Watches crime but out period by reference box. Affeldt that that moment was important because Jordan, mommy, telling us that. Hey. Maybe Adelaide is not who she is. And she's about to be found out from a technical standpoint. I stand and I love lupita. So from a technical standpoint from an acting point of view, she really brought her Honus to this role. And so did the child actors as well. You know, because it wasn't because the whole story of the tether onto that is sir fascinating. However, we really didn't get explained to us. So it kind of served in the backdrop, even though it was the driving force of the premise of the whole movie. Right. You have this resurgence from underground rising and revolting against people upstairs. If you will. So why is this happening? Where's it all coming from a good example is the perch, let the fact that it's been milked for all it's worth. And then some with some change the purge set beautifully. What the rules of that universe? Is right. You have the set amount of time. You can all the debauchery that you want and then for the rest of the you'll squeaky clean and your perfect citizens, right? So we get that Super Bowl. Let's move on. In our economy. Murky the waters between what kind of movie we were watching. So I personally would have appreciated. I would love to heal point of view because we actually two different types of you is for me. I can't suspend belief to a certain extent. However, if you create a world, you still need to live within the logic and the rules that you've set up within this world, and again is probably my problem. But when I was watching the movie, I appreciate it all of the troops. I appreciated the cinematography so many foundational questions when not being onto for me that I found it hard to concentrate on enjoying the actual movies. So, and it's interesting that we have similar views, even though your completely opposite, you actually allow the creators free wheel, and you allow them to do whatever. Even if things don't make sense, you kind of give them a pass which I don't do. I kind of hold onto. To creative process. So it's interesting that you feel the same way to me, even though you allow people more graces than I do. Just because doernen PD this world of the tavern. And a feel like this movie might have been more interesting told from the perspective of red rather than Adelaide. Can you say it again for the people in the back told from the perspective of red rather than odd elite? Amen. Amen ter-. Adelaide and his family living the suburban life. Al- wealthy seemingly based on where they are and fun. Oh, good. Interesting. Black family. And then pay no attention to that. It's just another family. It's not black all. Playing to the race. Like, it's which is good which is commendable from Jordan. You know, it's not a black family sister family. Yeah. In Asaba, then doing the thing. Call dom. Okay. And then I think it's within the foster in minutes, the lots go out and the tethered family comes in front of the of the of the ARD. Yeah. I'm like cool. I'm lacking whether going so it's happening. You know? So this moment where they start chasing each other around even before that Adelaide is telling them the husband of game that all feel like something is going on, you know, telling up, right? When to leave when Gabe. Trying to be understanding pushing it aside brushing aside, so Lasco, our Adelaide know something is up calls nine one immediately Gaby's hesitant. Why calling on that can handle this? Yeah, I'm a man. And he goes out with his bat bosses. So he sees shit is real news button side. Yeah. Cool are still gave I came. We're still in the still. No so game is supposed to be the comic relief in this. Yes. Yeah. He's the guy we supposed to laugh at and to laugh with his the jokester. Yeah. Yup. Coal again with it the game co or right? And we have a whole sick was in the house a Iran inches each other and Adelaide arse read why doing this and read goes into the spiel of how she's suffered to try and build this just the way sh audited on and it could tell a lot of emotion and lupita Arctic his. Breathtaking to what? 'cause I would say a why she crying. She crying washy, she crying. And that's when dole you are locked moment. And so we have to start chasing each other around and how all the sequence of events and of very we've read things that people say, oh, they pulled up the kid. Look jason. Covered and making maybe he's also part from of the untethered. Unlike okay, interesting, take interesting, take I'm a buying. I'm still buying it. You're keeping your money. Just a kid. Walk his supposed to be seven eight ten not more than ten cool on by it. He likes playing in a common. But what kid isn't exactly so still with it still was the storyline from then on it goes from chase to chase to chase. The go to the what does finally ends of mosses family. Kitty Carey, and we have amazing moment in the acting, and storytelling wise, and you appreciate the horror tropes in. Cool. Then who taught to them leaving and trying to run away from the house and Audie ladies are prohibitive after well just ran over the Gulf from the underworld right Zora from the underworld from the form the title. The Ron was Zora. Yep. And I didn't it gets out of the call which I thought interesting all she gives getting out of the car kept getting out of the car. Unlike if your Malla in that situation, you'll be drive drive drive. The fuck as far away from that. We still in no. Ause like. Betas from the underworld. She is red. She is well, she's opposed to be the wild from from from the title, but he still enjoying the movie at this point out to figure that out. I just switched off. Nope. Not mentally just like I can see where his union see where this is going. It didn't need an update in your software. Nope. I could see where this storyline was going. And that's why I was like, okay. So this is what the great to have a big reveal about after senior from van because those no other area, the logical explosion my mind that this was why. Eight and the reason why anyone from this wild or do that? And the interesting thing about that is there's nothing wrong with being able to predict the ending, right? Because you know, we we've got a few accuse in our swirling around in cranium 's. So there are times where we do predict the end before the end happened, but it doesn't sow the jurisdiction of that movie. Yeah. Because it's still want to see the builder. Yeah. I'm going to spoil a movie right now. So turn down the volume for a few seconds or a few minutes. The boy. The boy was one of those gems that we just stumble upon where we didn't really regard the rating the rating is trash compared to how good the boys. When we watch the boy, I didn't see that coming at all about our boy Brahms yet Brahms those in the wall. Yeah. Because it's so often you have horror movies where it has a supernatural element and full the whole time will like, okay. So this doll is coming to life. We've seen this before cool happy days, but I'm still enjoying this movie because it has at gravitas, and it's join us in and then when twists happen my mind blew open. Other good example is the book of Eli. Yes. Where you way, you have done the Washington. I believe. Yes. Him Transvaal's the wall in glasses and luring the enemies into darkness did pick up that ending the ending. I didn't spoil the movie for me. They're ill install the movie. And I was like all my God. So this is stupid didn't want to admit that. The twist was good. He didn't want to admit stupid. But that's good. Isn't a great. It's great. It's great billing lot. But me realizing the Addy lead was the. The opt-out alley. I thought. Okay. Maybe it won't it won't spoil enjoyment older movie because the Bill up would be great. They'll be an awesome will the payoff is already there. But but now, no Annette and the personally the reason why I feel like that wasn't a good enough of a payoff is because there were still foundational questions that were not being onto in the movie. Lupita was amazing. And we keep going back to that scene. But basics little storytelling, you need to make us care about the character. And how can we care about the character? If we don't know anything about Adelaide character. You know, what I mean, we know that she's there. She's with her family. She has some sort of trauma, or whatever it is. And you're already making us watch her have a breakdown without knowing why she's having a breakdown, and I feel like was to serve. Us to the movie overall because if they had fleshed it out a bit more. Just made a more cohesive in the sense that she's suffering a lot because all of that flashback stuff that happened until a bit after right? So it's like, she's crying. And I know that I'm supposed to be feeling something. But because I don't really know you, and I didn't really know the lead up to this. It's like you're giving me this for free. You need to earn. My tease you need to earn my emotions and that just wasn't happening and that alongside with untethering. I just want to touch on this point because they're tethered. Right. And we've talked about what we fear is is the tethering is them having an intrinsic connection with each other. Right. What I don't understand is. If it's them tethered to the other person. Why did they continue to go out and kill other people that had nothing to do with their tethering? That's what doesn't make sense to me. I got the fact that. Red had ongoing for being swapped out and and kill Adelaide family. Yes. Get that off for the rest of the wall of the while people killing people that wasn't onset at all yet. Why do they revolt against this opposed? Clones, all whatever partners old. We'll just call them original. So we'll go regionals antennas. Yeah. I didn't make that didn't make any sense to me at all. I don't understand how like what a what are the rules? What is the realm where the boundaries in this movie? So at least we can be there, and we can keep people on and we can understand what's happening. And that's why I said it would have been more interesting toll from the perspective of red on the entire tethered community or unter the community. So I would have been away more interesting. So I would have been a way more interesting story because we would have been brought into their wall and their universe. And why they're doing what they're doing because they have no control of the actions, the seemingly moving in, you know, moving to them flow of however, they origins doing up there and another thing about this because they say that tended and with red she pretty much moved to the same motions of Adelaide right through her life. And I think from what I. Understand. It was an involuntary feels more like puppets. So she was she was bound to follow. Whatever Adelaide's motions were this is set on this notion of this notion is incorrect, then fight me. Right. But if that's the way that the story is set up, then where does the disconnect happened in the tethering because you essentially have each of the characters fighting each other. But how can they find each other? If the Spurs to be moving the same way. Right. Yeah. And that's that's what really grinds my keys when it comes to movies. Always TV shows, the the payoff or the moment shouldn't be because you withheld part of the story. That's not a good way to tell a story. The story should be there the whole time and. You know, it just becomes a awakening moment for me like the book of ally. I just sitting there the whole time mind in your business thinking just watching a straightforward story. And it just busts you either. Ben, right. I don't I don't appreciate when the whole mystery around the story is because you have helped to the story for me. And that's how I felt us was I am someone that needs to be fully immersed in the world in order to appreciate it. And the fact that they will fundamentally questions that I had that weren't being honored. Even though I waited to the end they still went onto by the end of it. And I'm not sure whether this is going to be a franchise type of movie, but it didn't it didn't onto the fundamental questions that we're going through now. And you know, something that I was saying to you when we got out of the cinema is I'm awful watching movies a second and third time a- by the end of the first. Viewing. I need to understand it. Right. I should it lead to understand that the second and third time the second and the third time is a reward for me to peel back more layers of the movie that unfolded which was the same as get out. Right. There were so many points of symbolism. I talking about that day, and how it was woven throughout the whole movie. We didn't really appreciate the significance of the symbolism. And so we watch it a second third time. But you know, what we knew there was a connection when Rose's father was talking about the and they should all be decimated. Right. We got the premise of the movie in the first viewing. And you know, maybe it's us. Maybe we're not bright for the most part the stories should be there. And for a lot of the reviews that we've been hearing about this movie or even about interviews. They talk about the ju- -ality of. This movie and what the tethered symbolizing? It's it's intrinsic. It's yourself. It's introspective. But it's also about poverty, but it's also about Americans, right? That's fine. You know, I'm all for movies. Allowing you free rein for interpretation. However, give us all the pieces. We need for it. Right. If I fail and understanding this. It's because I'm a simple pled not because all the pieces weren't present it to me. And that's kind of how I'm feeling again. Like, I said at the start of this episode all of the secondary sort of elements that make a movie where exemplary. The underlying foundation of the narrative was just not there. You know? It's like you're making an amazing beef stew, and you put in all of these seasonings that you know, is going to really bolster up the stoop. But it's missing the boyf- like where is the coal narrative that we need to understand why even have the tethering metaphor as a horror movie, why not just have it as a psychological thriller. Because there were so many questions that went onto in the world that you're presenting to us if you're going to bring something to the table, make sure it's fully cooked. Maybe I'm hungry. That's what I'm talking about. Every aspect of this movie was. Really good. We've talked about lupita acting all every. The actual really good threw up across the board. Cinematography was good. It could tell that the a lot of f Ospel into this. And a lot of money was put into this. Cool cool. My problem is that there wasn't enough. For me to grasp onto. Even if the pope line was reveal or even if I saw. The the twist was going as still needed other things to enjoy the movie, regardless. I couldn't find anything because we spent our along time with them trying to chase each other and kill each other. And that just masks everything else about the which is opposed to be really interesting. Yeah. The tethering process all the tendering untethering. Why you're waiting for the climax all's waiting for the climax about eating com-? If you bought in the pun. I just expected so much more interesting because you're saying that you weren't really enjoying it. Right. Because you're waiting for the climax. I was actually if you take all the pots a pot. I actually enjoyed it. If you talk about like, the cinematography, or if you talk about the acting, I enjoyed those fastest of it. What I was frustrated with I was trying to piece it together myself. And there's nothing wrong with theorizing, and, you know, getting the cogs in your mind working. There's nothing wrong with that. An example of that is this is America, which is in the soundtrack by childish Gambino glove. Right. Even when the music rear came out. I forgot which late night host. But they asked him. What does it mean? And he he he purposely didn't onto that question. He was like, it's whatever you wanted to be. And I was like come on. I love you. But don't be a dick like just say what you think about it because you created this world. But when you watch this is America many times because it is laid it's quite clear in what he's trying to convey the underlying message and the core narrative is there. Right. And then, you know, you'd get more secondary sort of elements a second third fourth time watching it, right? It's it's quite cle- in what it's trying in the message that it's convey. So that's fine. But it's a perfect way of saying it's open to you. You can take what you want from it. However, I'm still steering this ship. Jordan. He's we'd know he has range we know it, and we know his horror movie fan. That's why can't exist. He had. Trinkets mates throw in there for the horrifying, you know. Yes. And well and truly appreciated them up that does not make a great movie. Yes. Last is something secondary to the main story and everything that hard people love about this movie as the little trinkets, and it's a little bit don't make a movie. Yeah. It's good. And it's there, it's brilliant. Who is it all because even zora's character a little sort of reference that they have is ways like essentially bunny, imagery on shirts or sweatshirts? So there's one where she actually has a rabbit like a patent rabbit on her shirt or sweatshirt and then later on in the film. She has a Vietnamese word that translates to rabbit as well, and yeah, exactly those of the layers that you have. But I couldn't enjoy them. Because I did a no way we were going because I didn't have the resources to pull together what the narrative was. And what do you think about this theory that Jason the kid was also a part of the tether untethered community. Well, that's just one of my endless qualms because to me it doesn't even matter where the he was hoped out whether he was not swapped out. How how does? Is the realm of tethered nece work. How does someone become tethered and untethered how do they know to stand in a line and build that wall, which is some more symbolism as well? And how do they know that they should go in tack the other one how do they know that they can go in a tack other people that are not tethered to those things that I was concentrating on and trying to figure out if you give me enough, I will close my mind, another nut sense. But I will shut my mind off for a second and be swept away in this assuming the untethered. Are just as intelligent as the Taza. Then why were they stuck on the ground for so many years? And why can't they go up the escalator, man? Well, credit dates just woke up the early prison is your mind pretty much pretty much literally. The only reason was their mind. Right. But this supposed to be the only thing that wasn't transferred to the clones was bitch for them to speak. I must have been able to think because they thought enough to go to the wild above and terrorize, everyone, right? This level of intelligence in how did reds character. Communicate to the Ted are untethered that they go into rise up in revolt that would have been away. More. Interesting narrative yet, drew like a planet ape shit. Black gay. A something. Yeah. Exactly. All this questions about this. Interesting world by stole addressed actually plan on of the apes is also another perfect example where you can have social commentary or you can have symbolism for the apes. Right. And it was done perfectly and questions we're onto so I'm assuming the clones communicate in some level their own way. But even then how did they do it? And even then how do you communicate was just happening in America? I think so. I think it was just an American thing around the world. Right. It's American because talking about subways. Yeah. But even how how how do you communicate with everyone? Okay. Fred. Ginny am I naming Harry Potter cactus? We are going to meet on the first of next month at ten pm at this particular location. Like, how do these beings communicate with each other? How was this Aucas straight? It. They told us it's happening everywhere. Because when trying to call the police and using it wasn't Alexa, ause it failure failure. Obelia call the police as you started playing factor police right here. I'm like, okay. But then when they tried to call the police allier, the lions will busy. Yeah. Every single line was the black hole because. I'm assuming everyone was calling in because those uprising. Yeah. But you can't just give us this isolated story. And be like, by the way, this is happening to everyone. Like what when how how why why where is this coming from? Yeah. So another thing Jordan was so keen and most of the actors in the movie also pointing out that this wasn't about the evil sides flack, it's not evil. It's just not DACA sido of them. Like if you had gone through what they went through its understand understand relatable villain with realisable women. So everyone should have been relatable. Yes. In the right way. Don't even know what they what they what Szott anything. Exactly. So why am I why should I be relatable to them? Yeah. I don't get it. But even the coal characters. I don't even know why related to them ADA. Well, the supposed to be the. Proton will pizzas the protagonist, and we'll take you through hard, Johnny. And why she eased the wish is okay? Let's told in the last ten fifteen minutes movie for me at least block I got enough from that to understand. Okay. And I saw all right. This woman was it enough for you to feel when she was crying. No, no, we keep focusing on that point. But that will be the Merman that people talk about when you reference lupita is ability to convey and draw people in it's essentially, I guess you could draw parallels between Colonia my king, which we stand in this household when he had that t-, you know, with the teacup saying what he went into the second place, and that t- came down right people going to draw parallels between that because you have that emotional pool, but that didn't happen until like two thirds of the movie and two we understood we were invested in the movie and in Daniel Khalil character, Chris. So if you contrast that way, hopefully, it's a bit understandable where I'm coming from. It is it is and their calls for loopy this before months getting some sort of. Accolades. What's? She did great with Shas given. Yes. But does it beat heritage Aries Turney colonic out, actually, all we are on the mind, grapes? Today. I was actually going to reference that because lupita had an outstanding performance in us and Turney Colette. Exemplary, and we love Toni Colette, she's an international treasury. Just ahead. Where you could tell but that's not lupita vote. It's beautiful, but hereditary had a cohesive story where it had layers that tied up and made sense. We're going to spoil hereditary as well. It's essentially symbolism for mental health, right? And it was it was quite clear as we continue to go throughout the movie. We understood we didn't know that. That's where the decimation, but we definitely were given clues and hints, and the payoff was so satisfy the really was it was very satisfying the way she was serve route to his son. It was exemplary and the performance was amazing. And we talk about this a lot in our podcast actors give as much as they can give within the vessels that they give in so in that sense lupita did very well in the same way. Turney Colette did very well within that vessel. Then if you if you evaluate it as an overarching sorta narrative, do they stack up the don't. So let's make sure that we've captured off on all of the characters even though we did pretty much talk about it. But let's make sure we don't miss anything whence Jukes character nape and also Abraham some Hoti names Hoti, man. You know, even watching Black Panther. I did say that within that vessel. Winston juke gave a lot to buckle on Nigerian prince, and I was very excited and say she aided to see what roles he will take next than how he embodies them. I think he played the role quite well it did. I think he did quite well he's still on my list of up incomings as well. He did quite well he played the fall of the protector quite well. Yeah. Was there when the formerly needed protection he was there when to provide comic relief? And he did the best good. And he was fine. You know, it wasn't his not polarized by his role as unbuckle. No, no, it could tell some he has range as well lack this dimension. So. And hours Hoppy seeing him form yet. It was nothing. Stunning. It was good. Yeah. Right. And then who else would we talk about got seora who's played by Shahada? Right. Joseph or shoot she. She gives some amazing performances star as well. In credits in the opening credits. They said introducing I hope it was her name because she didn't she had a very good performance in this new gave a lot should give a lot more than someone her age out our shock that maybe this. Hobbes's fast acting role. Potty hell, she really gave her all in this. She is my next down after lupita. She really gave a lot so Lhasa playing young Nala in the new lion. King movie or dollar's gonna be great. Yeah. We have Jason Kidd. He looks. He's played by Evan Alex. We'd all kids are like that. And you could point to the fact that maybe that made him out of the untethered. But as a as an actor that kid excelled, it's like he I don't know if he has if he's watched harm movies before, but he was fucking creepy when the reds family infiltrated the house, you have him putting his head on reds lap like little puppy like, how do you teach a kid to do that? Without scarring them, essentially, right? He really did that role. Very well. And you know, it's it's something to be said when you need to act off on yourself as well. 'cause that's not easy. It's not easy. I'm be watch with often black. She does such an amazing job in that. She plays ten different characters. Yeah. By itself, and it's just amazing. So good us to Jason for pulling off. Yeah. I think one of the good things about our podcast is we don't give ratings. Yeah. We'd heard give ratings for things that we watch. It's more. A conversation. If you will. And the interesting thing about us is as far as I can tell it's the first box office go to the cinema movie that we've reviewed. Yeah. Current and of the time. And. I think. Who else are we missed anyone? I don't think. So those Elizabeth moss. And she is she's very competent. And she did she did she do what should it could with the way. Yeah. But just in closing I do want to make this very clear that this is our feedback is coming out of a place of love. We really wanted this movie to be so iconic and the soundtrack is II conic. The acting is II conic the lighting not so much. But you know, it had all of the seasoning. If you will. But the hottie meaty pot when not there, right? So I guess it's important for me. I need I need the narrative to get me off. And it just wasn't. It's a good enough movie for each you the out and watch it. I'll say we going to put our pants on and go to the cinema. This can put your pants on to go and enjoy an okay movie, it's not going to blow pants away. But it's going to be sufficiently entertaining. I think all the causal veal if we ever foray into rating movies that should be the scale. So I put my pants onto the movies. Do I keep my pants off higher? That's a different soda movie. I think I'll Lewis said just put you keep your pants off and watch it when it comes on Blu Ray, that's a different sort of movies. Just because it's it's gonna freeze it because I love Jordan pill so much said, I am I'll follow them through a strong king to his old, Johnny. And it just upsets me that I did enjoy this as much as I wanted to enjoy it, you know, and I feel that's a don't want to put it on. Officer of saying this just say about that's the best way. It's it's a movie that you could tell is trying to break away from the mold of been put in a box of all it's a black movie or it's man for this niche market. It's not. Yeah. It's not really isn't. It's just a horror movie, regardless of was acting on it. It's a horror movie. Yeah. And kudos peel for making a movie earned at such a good attempt. For his fast horror flick. And if this if this is starting point then account with for or come out in future. I don't think that's enough to say. Yeah. So let's let's close off with the reference to the bible and since since it's been awhile since we've been to Sunday school. I might just pull it off the internet. So this is the King James bible. So this Jeremiah eleven eleven verse is peppered throughout the movie. And again, it wasn't lost on me the themes that they had in this movie. I just couldn't appreciate it because there were fundamental questions one being onto. But again, I picked up on it. I saw it. Let's let's just close off with the verse. Okay. Therefore, thus saith. The Lord behold, I will bring able upon them which they shall not be able to escape, and though they shall cry to me, I will not hearken unto them. What do you think about that? Well, I think we're crying out to Jordan Peele, but he's not harkening onto us. Yeah. There's a love of references to the Voss in the whole movie. There's someone wearing a hoodie of the block flag, and it has like quotas eleven eleven dollars. You may does not good movie. Make just one of those that secondary thing. So. So foundational narrative. Yes. So you can't come up me for saying move is good because hot such stuff. It just doesn't lock. Yeah. So anyway, okay movie. Good by Jordan Peele in horror genre. Ortiz. It's really difficult to make a good horribly black. I think people underestimate how much it takes to do it. It could sit through hours and hours of horror movies and just grind your teeth how ridiculously bar there. But the good ones also has a sorry cow. Yeah. The girls take out like a sore. Thumb so good attempt. And yeah think now will do for your afri-. Yes. So if you're new to our podcast annuals estate till the end of the episode despite our hashtag unpopular opinions. This is where we aside our sources, and we also reference other movies and TV shows that you might enjoy. So our recommend watching the book of Eli because nice. It's plot twist. Yes, changes the whole outcome of the movie. Yeah. You still foundationally understand the movie as it continues. You understand the buffet without just adds a layer away that blows your mind. Yes place, and you're all while the whole movie lack it's yeah. That's all supposed to be. If it's if you got into the plot twist Ouled change in Lovie over entire eighty ninety minutes watched then go to every dollar. In about all what exactly you're aiming for? I guess the crux of it is the plot twist shouldn't make the movie yet. It should it's like fully in love with an attractive person like OT without fully appreciating the person that they are true that. So what's your reference for the sake of tariff rinses off give it to us? All can I do Nikon Conti altitude. Limit is. 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Shirley - Movie Trailer Reviews
"Welcome back to move trailer. PODCAST your host Chris here Rothe. and. We're here to review from. It comes out. When does the phone come out next week Jim some? Anyway. We're interview surely as June fifth. You read the Synopsis For this phone. Famous horror writer finds inspiration for next book after she and her husband taken a young couple directed by Josephine Decker Fuck did you watch? I'm sorry I'm sorry. I accidentally hit the mute button while I was laughing. At, you yeah, so the first thing you fucked up in, see I never. I got to stop doing this when you give me some when you suggest. As of we've gotten a screener for something Wa- something. I say no and I just assumed that something that I would want to watch I. Don't know why do that with you. Need to go and look at the Shit because for some reason I thought it was a horror film, and it clearly isn't and I. Don't know what the fuck I watched in. Business. Not You're not sorry. You're not asked you. Had you seen the trailer? I asked you. Have you seen the trailer for surely for the? Jackson, but but you but you, but you did, but you've seen the TR-. You saw the trailer Ford and you better. You knew better than to ask either one of. You know. We probably had and you knew that we probably wouldn't have we. Had We know right? Thing you know. This is fine this. Came with a complaint. I can't say much. I'm sorry I couldn't resist I. I could have, but I didn't. Do, you know who Shirley Jackson is. Have you ever remember reading the story the lottery when you were in school. I think did like long time. Hunting at hill, house yeah. That Shirley Jackson. She's author. Okay, okay, the. Does nothing for for for so she's crazy. And I was expecting us. I was expecting them to give us more. Bigger blow out, so you would have a better context. For what they were throwing us into for Shirley. But they did not. I was not exactly I was not really expecting them to make a full on. Niche Art House film. Since it was neon. I however. Didn't they did? Let's talk about it how you doing over there Chris. Listen! I have a love hate relationship with our house. 'cause I think sometime house is the word given for something that is actually terrible and not well thought out, and so people will stop to Art House, you know. Label on it! They. Don't put a full out actual movie there. And I feel like that's what happened here but that. Well okay, this is a Neekam I will say that. I actually liked it, but I'm weird. We already knew that going in I also absolutely love. Elizabeth Moss She's Great. I mean and nothing against her and I'll just say this. You know some people like anchovies on pizza. That doesn't make them right. Either I. mean the same category even behind anchovies. Just saying just sat not acting. People will do. Some things doesn't mean it's okay. But no. I'm going to take fit. No. Here's the thing and I'll say this like. Listen box right? She is going to you know. Be Great in whatever you put her in front of. For me and I think this is my overall problem. I have with Art House. These are house niche films. I'm okay with them being Nishi and being out our house. I'm okay with that I always feel like. They're always missing something. Always Missing Hey. Why should I? Care it feels okay. I will give you that I will. Absolutely give just feels like they a lot of stuff in there. That could be interesting, but then they just go. We're not going to give you that like there's this whole thing between. Shirley and her husband, and a young couple of their whiffed and then with. The young young girl woman's name The one that to stay, there wasn't rosy rose. Yeah, but the whole thing with Roy like there's all these things in here. That could be interesting and also the fact that you know Shirley's crazy right, also interesting piece, and I'm like you have all this up here, but I feel like they're always feel like these. Not Always I always feel that the problem of these films have is. They have so many interesting threads, but they can't pick one, so they try to give you. A taste of everything in so I end up believing the film feeling completely unfulfilled. 'cause I've nagging I. The no meat on the bones, a good appetizer. It's a good step up and I feel like they're always. that. That's what they're used for kind of set somebody else up for the next when they can actually. Put a complete film together, but it's not like. I, said there for hours like an hour and forty five minutes. Something like that. It's like the end I'm like. Okay. Next yeah. I think I was able to kind of look past some of this film. Specifically because I, know who Shirley Jackson is, and after I was made to read the lottery in school and realize what the hell the story was about. I was like I have to know more about the person who wrote this book. Because that short story is it's messed up. I was like really. This whole thing is about stone somebody at the end. That's a spoiler for you for the lottery. Then I don't know what you were doing in the eighth grade, 'cause your teacher was clearly giving a better reading. Listen nine, but. So, coming into this movie, I already knew a lot about Shirley Jackson and the thing that I find to be disappointing is the exact thing that you're complaining about they don't ground you enough in the world or the time period or the context of Shirley enough for you to be able to just kind of go on this ride and understand what all these little threads and little narratives were, and why once it gets to the end. They actually do wrap up the story that they were telling as much as you could since. She's Shit. Like you need to know that Shirley, Jackson was completely and utterly. Verbally abused by her mom to like. You're not pretty. You're just a weird kid. You don't have any feminine. And you do all this weird scribbling, you know you need to know that. In the time period that she wrote, she may have been published, but she wasn't celebrated. And you know people like. There's a moment people say well. It's outside your niece. It's not your thing. It's you know a lot of women who wrote genre disrespected because they wrote Genre she. All of her themes dealt around with like you know. You know. Hyper Manic, women, pity desperation, and all of those things you need to know that coming into this in order to understand the relationship. She has with her husband Stanley Who's played by Michael Still Berg is that he says last name I don't remember. Very well, but you don't have enough of the context of the world that they're bringing. Fred and rose played by Odessy young and Logan Learmont, which was a surprise I didn't expect to see his face. into their house, so you don't know that he's that freewheeling teacher who teaches at that college choose you know. WHO's grace? You actually need to understand. Her life in order for the story that they tell you in the glimpse. They give you behind her process. And everything else. That was going on in order for this movie to feel grounded, so it's not so much. They didn't give you a meal. is they just kind of threw it on your table? They didn't put. They didn't put on a plate. There's no place setting and they didn't give any. Silverware issued just kind of picking up pieces here and there, and if you know stuff, you can kind of go on for this bizarre ride, and just let it be developed, but without that it just feels like they start. A Lot. And never really go past the starting point and time is really jacked up. You don't even realize until you're almost to the end of the third act that years gone by that. You actually saw a years worth of these people's lives. Right and I think that's the other thing, too. That's really. As we've seen in other films to where they have a hard time. Lynn. You know how time has passed and I. Think there's you get the. When you're doing these kind of films, you the. Listening audience know some important piece because at the beginning you. Give important context of what's happening with with Fred and rose because they were only staying there for two weeks. By the time you get to the end, you realize that they've been there for overwhelming she. Had her baby in Debbie's like. What another thing was like? When they decide to show you time then side, they jump from nowhere. So you go from like her basically Herbert and wall off on Shirley's leg to she has her baby. I'm like well. There's a lot of Yada. Yada Yada in between there this. Right cues with the Fox going on here. I think that's a that's another problem. I have with these kind of film like. You have to at some point somebody to step in and say Okay I. Get this shrimp. I, get what you're doing here, but you've got to do a better job of letting the audience know what point in time you're in, so they can follow the fucking story. Yeah. They got a little They got a little hung up on the look. Which I think quite frankly, they did a really. Interesting blend of kind of like neo gothic in with that whole. You know wanting to feel like it's very much so in the time period of like you know around the thirties and the forties when the free will and popular White Guy who had a house where black people can't but. The Very Bohemian ask and I feel like they really did that very well, but. There there's there's none of the meticulousness that you need in order for this to just be more than a bizarre ride. And and as much as I enjoyed how much it was weird I think it would have hit better and Elizabeth mosses performance would have resonated more if you'd had more of that meticulousness, so the tortured aspects of her. Kind of bounced off more, and then the evolution and de-evolution of rose would have had a greater impact will also be honest here to again. Maybe just me being. Love smalls fan. I feel like the subject in the lead is is on a year. Following rose and nothing. I have nothing wrong with that. The actress young is fine the role, but it's like to me the interesting person. Shirley And I feel like the the film cold. Shirley I should be following Shirley to really understand that, but instead you're almost you're you're you're following? Rose and and getting her kind of viewpoint on in slow against. You know you slowly devolving into crazy yourself, but like I'm not interested in story I'm interested in what the Fuck Shirley so. Right because you miss I, think it's really easy I don't. WanNa say something, but I feel like it's a spoiler. Actually are following rose. You actually aren't following rose, but it's really easy to miss that. Because they don't give you a strong enough ending the scene at the end of the table at the very last scene, there with a list of Moss where they go in and close on the camera and she starts talking. They don't give because they didn't give you enough context and because they didn't. They unraveled at a weird pace, and there's a couple of touchstones that it's really easy to miss because that's a young actually place to people in this movie. It's really. I had to watch it again. Which is why was saying, please God, let me use your link. I had to watch again before I. Actually caught the fact that we did follow rose. But only. Because Shirley told us too, so we were actually. Only seeing everything that was happening under the direction of Shirley. And I think if they had made a stronger point to that, and if they had kind of kind of reeled in certain other aspects, maybe between the stuff that Stanley and Fred they should have been more outlier characters and they were especially. Stanley. I think that would have been stronger. I personally feel like they were trying to make it to where Elizabeth. Moss went over. The rest is cast. And I. I think they should've just let it. They should just let it rock. They should just let it roll. Right I mean it's just like it's. You're not going to be able to do that because he's going to do that anyway, so. With brilliant, and I, think that's the thing, too is like when I when I was watching what? I think I saw what they were trying to do. And I wasn't in watching second time. What's going to happen? I saw what they were trying to do, and I'm like I think I know what they were trying to do. And if I actually give a shit enough about the same I would have watched the second time ago. Okay, but to me. It's like it didn't. It didn't earn that. It didn't earn that again. We just did all of our Christopher Nolan rewind tools like though so armee going back off gotta go back and watch where I miss. This and I gotTa do this here ago, so you guys are. That's what you're okay. Yeah okay, now I mean it's bizarre I like some of the psychological elements. I found those to be really engaging in perverse. I felt like. Day tried to to to pull the allegory. I really WANNA. Spoil they to hear. That was going on. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. Be Honest. Yes and nobody's GonNa Watch so. Say at this point at this point if you. WanNa Watch it close your ears and donors so weird, little trippy film, and if you're gonNA, watch it then you should stop listening to us right now. Because Chris Christmas now. Giving me permission to lose my mind I got shit. Yeah, I think that's probably the best way to in a majority of people that we're talking to are. Okay So this whole thing is about Shirley's process when she gets writer's block. And she do the same thing with the girl that was missing at the beginning. who also believe is that's also played by. A, Yes Paula follow. Yeah, so the same thing in in like I kinda got that. Towards the end. That's what they were going foreign doing, but it's like. I don't know. Like the moments where you're not too sure if you're looking at something like when you get the voice over of Shirley where she's, you're hearing what? She's writing frantically at her at her computer Jesus at her typewriter. And then you start having these moments where I was like what in the grand hallucination is this is this what's really happening or is that thing? I saw a minute ago and part of the reason why they played around and made time so soft is because they don't actually want you to be able to track rose, because rose only exists as much Shirley. Let's her exists in this house and the other thing that you need to know is that the all the infants is? They were making too Stanley, and like you know when the phone rang and she's like you told me it wouldn't happen. It's basically the very polite way of saying. Why are you having your horse? Call my house during dinnertime. Key married. Shirley. Only upon the condition that she accepted him being unfaithful and listening to his exploits when he came home to tell her about them, but see that's the. Thing. It's like you. You can't write a film. And do a film. And have because that's a key point as far as A. Key point a key element of this especially. If you're going to have as much Stanley in the film, as you do right, right you, we kind of go like I don't Fuck Stanley he kind of a dig, but you don't get in in union kind of maybe Kinda. See into it a little bit. But. I! Don't know I didn't like those park into made. It almost seemed like. They're trying to make it seem like Shirley was crazy, but if this is what the reality was, it's. Crazy it's like this is actually one of the things that is not her out of your fucking. Mind is like this how the relationship works. That is the factual way of water as wet and Stanley. Was You know they had? That agreement would quote unquote in their relationship, so it's like I think that's eight four fed into her anxiety, and it increases the reasons why she didn't leave the house. You know if. If like the moments where you see outside the house where you run into girls who were talking about their relationship with Staley and saying I only know about Shirley by what Stanley tells me and people being convinced that you know. She was almost some kind of idiot savant, and he's the one who really took her scribbles and turn them into stories. All those things that you've got slightly as inferences when Shirley. Convinces rose to run around and get her info that she needs because she's got this inspiration on this missing girl. All of that stuff jumbled in together without actually knowing a little bit more about. that. She's not just you know. Madcap, she actually has deep anxiety. She has deep issue. Some of them are. Exacerbated by her relationship and aspects of a relationship, make her very cruel. And make her willing to do things and exploit people for her own comfort. So, she can overcome the problems she has so she can keep working. You know, and all of this comes cheap broke rose, so she could figure out the ending to a story. And she needed to insert someone who was like the character who she wanted to make them follow the path that she needed followed, so she could find have the sounding board, and then you have this whole other relationship where it's being mirrored that you have this young. kind of naive woman and a time period where the most she can do is audit classes because again. This is the time period when women weren't really allowed to go to college if they were married because. That was something that was deemed. You don't need to do that anymore. And any time that a man tells you this is about this is really good for us. He's about to ask you to put some shit. That's bullshit. And you know we don't get enough of the relationship between Fred and rose where he basically is abandoned her in this house. And, we were GONNA. Have this much Stanley. We needed to understand that Stanley's creepy uncle thing was you know goes a little bit deeper than that. So when you get to the moment where you realize that. Roses completely now codependent and she's not dependent on her husband anymore. She's completely fallen under Shirley spell. She's literally in her thrall, but on the other side of that. You've got Stanley poking at Shirley, saying Oh, you seem to be smitten and she's like yeah. I don't do that. You know you miss those little hints because. If they had let Elizabeth Moss Go. I don't know whether or not anybody else. Well Fred Logan. Men couldn't have held his own against her. Do you think so? No, but I don't think he needed to. Because even right, there wrote it like he's not really is. Secondary. Week, right he's and but but even I mean not even from an actor point of view, but just from a character point of view he is. No point is that character strong character. You know right. He's bullied by everyone else. And he doesn't. Even really you know. He's not even really bullied by his wife. He's just like. He's he's secondary so I don't think that. Would have been our problem. I think that. Having Elizabeth Small. I think I think having her and. Sober going back and forth I think that would have worked so I don't think I would have been over but I. think that was the point other I think that's what you need in the film. And then even her overshadowing a little bit of Odessa would've been okay because again. Character wise, it would award, so it's like I just I don't give them a pass for not letting her. Know do much muscle. Yeah, I'm just saying that I. Agreeing with you I think that they should have been a mistake because the film basically is set up to do that. It set setup to allow her. To take over this cast and take over this role, and they just don't, and she was interesting like there's at one point win. Fred to get in the bed and he's. On his foot, and you've. You find out that. Shirley put some fertility stuff. things down on the ground because she's also saying she's a witch. All the stuff that she's Kinda doing like that's occurred as interest to me. I WANNA I WANNA. Follow. Yeah, and I don't know why they started going for Whimsey. I. I really don't. I think I think they kinda like the whole process of the story that she was writing. I think they put that too much front and center, and by doing that. It only reduces you to getting glimpses into her mind rather than following her isn't affirmative character. And I agree with you. That was to the movies detriment. Because if they had done that I think this one it would have been. It would have felt way more like a gothic horror movie. 'cause that's surely. But yeah I enjoyed it, but only because I had I feel like I knew enough to be able to fill in the blanks, and I agree with. You're not supposed to have to go to a movie to have insider knowledge in order to be able to make it hold together. I think that's the. Biggest, problem I have with these these kind of art house niche films because I think there. Is. There's I mean I agree with the way the film a shot it it it. It shot really really well, even in the way of actually being creepy in some scenes, and in having this diller aspect to it so some really well there and you have I. Think you had the cast like I wouldn't troppo anybody on the cats. Masters cast the cast work. Is Just it just? I always feel like the films like this. I, just I leave kind of feeling like. Okay I mean I see what you're trying to do. It just doesn't land for me and. Just kind of fell with this one. Yeah I mean and then you start like when I like. I watch with a friend of mine and she's like I'm sorry. This become extremely queer. Yup. Yeah then they just. They don't earned away from high. That's another one that that to me. Okay now we didn't interested in now. We got something going on here and then it Kinda. Just yeah, go away. That has to do with I. I. Don't Know Josephine Decker and Sarah Evans when they came to this couldn't decide which version of Shirley they wanted to present to the world, whether it was more of the one that you get from people who done more research into known facts about her and her upbringing or the version of Shirley. That you got. She did an interview where she tell people. She was a witch and this when we used to straight up, tell people she heck's them and they had a moment like this in the movie, and then they didn't emphasize it enough. You didn't even know it and it was easy to miss. It's about the part where she was looking at the. One woman, she said you born in a week. And they have all these different moments in here and I would and I just really feel like on the one hand. They kind of wanted to play into the fact where people kind of. Treated her with disdain, and didn't really consider her to have any depth, and she was just this weird anxiety written person who had this one story that was great, and has stood the test of time, but everything else is pretty much, whatever, or if it's this other woman who was disparaged and disrespected was deeply deeply emotionally unstable, due to circumstances and conditions in her life. and. She wrote those into her work. And that body of work now exemplifies if you lay it all next to each other, you know a journey through inside and what they can do to you, and the and the you know the hallmarks and harbingers of what happens to a woman in the world. And I really feel like they couldn't make up their mind. Which Shirley they wanted to give us, and they kept waffling between it, and that's why Elizabeth Moss didn't stay front and center, and she's not the character that you totally feel like you're following even though she's in control of everything but not. and. So it was disappointing for me because I really feel like they could have made a really good accessible. R. Rated Movie. that. Was You know drama out leaning into horror? But instead you just kind of got a Niche Art House movie that was just a little, exquisitely bizarre and. Yeah. But they had one liners. Ruthless. Enough to make it it yeah no. But I liked it. But I'M A WEIRDO Yeah I. AM proud of you for making it all the way through. One got all the way through the movie I was like I text Bacon and. Crisp me off of this. And she was right. You are right, you know I I did. And the only reason why I made it through because I was literally editing some other stuff until I had it on my tablet, so it was in the background, so I was like. Well, fuck it. is here now is is noise and I might as well keep going so yeah, there's too much to unpack and Shirley for the version of the movie that they gave us to work I I mean. If our bizarre outhouse art house movies are your bag then. I think it's right up your alley 'cause. Yeah 'cause. That's that's that's that's. That's area, but it's not a bio-pic. and. I'm kind of disappointed because. With Moss, Shirley, Jackson is perfect casting. Do an actual bio-pic. And then they cast her to. I watch that. Watches over you man. You don't even know you don't even realize that. Shirley Jackson and her husband are the ones who ran the house where intellectuals from the upstate where including Ralph Ellison. As in invisible man Ralph Ellison like the black man you see flash when they are showing up at the House that's rough in like some of the other, the they they had luminaries, and they open their the people who were standing around talking to her about what she's talking about or some of the best writers of their day, but she was disparaged as the Virginia where wolf because she wrote genre. I don't understand why they didn't give us that movie. They still could have given us the story with her kind of manipulating and using this living girl as a living doll. To you know. Extrapolate Her story out and show US process and in go through all of the things that happened in their house, but I just I. Don't know why. They didn't give us that when they had the perfect woman in the role. Just. Don't know 'cause. She gave an almost breathtaking performance. For Nothing. Above. You can give a score on mega minutes on this because I just. I'll do a written, and I'll throw a score for that, okay. Because this is really really, this is the first time I have to truly say that. I have made you watch something absolutely niche. Yeah in. This is the time to do it because you know I'm not paying attention to things when you email me, and so I ended up happening in the next. You know I'm halfway through going like solve. Better already have already committed I heard. I would not have done this to you. If we were in deep true. June screening time, and you know it. I want no, no, no, no, that's what I said is the perfect time to do it because because I it's easy to stick it on my radar. Normally I would have been like. I just. told me it's like Chris. Watch the trailer before you start doing this. Wash trailing I. Kept telling myself, but I kept getting busy and I couldn't do it so finally. I was like well Shit. It's GonNa. It's GonNa. When would it was when you email me the link expiring? Shit I do watch this. Wasn't even that I've gotten I gotten going through my email and I saw that I requested the link, and I got it, and I was like Oh. Yeah, we should probably do this. I should probably wasn't I was shocked. Yeah, ladies and gentleman I was shocked. 'cause I was like okay. Chris is GonNa Watch the trailer. And he's going to email me and say do written review, or if you enjoy one talk about, go ahead. That is what I was expecting to habit. I should have had. The ball and It's my fault. It's all on me and I. Take that responsibility for myself. Yeah I, mean I, mean if I will say it's a gorgeous gorgeous movie. It is a gorgeous movie, but if you. Want to know why I'm disappointed that this is the version of Shirley decided to put in the world. If. Did you watch the haunting of Hill? House when it was on net flicks. that. Is Shirley Jackson's. and. To take someone who wrote the story that made that's. that. Series to be reimagined the way it was. And to not. Just let her ride as the lead her own movie. It's not okay. I mean I know they wanted to do their whole sundance thing and this is right up the alley for that, and it's intense and the scores well done, and he'll be unsettled, but at the end of the day. When you start to unpack all the stuff they gave you the subplots subplots, don't they? Don't come back together. They don't match. Just watch with Moscow Elizabeth. Moss it'll be fine. I do not know the next thing will be reviewing coming on. Out No but we. Are we going to do the five? To Spike Lee joint on Netflix's. We don't do that. You know what let me watch. The trailer and I'll get back to you. Know I'm not. Now see, you gotta wait. You can't do it right after you did the guy from the last one. You can't do it though it's too soon. You gotta you gotTa. You GotTa wait time. Movie It's drops on Netflix on what the fifth or something or the? House, a spike Lee movie as a vest going to be an automatic, yes for me. No that's why I know. It's not right for you sir. I, remember what you had to say about Black Lance. But no I didn't say anything about. Brandon. I didn't let black clansmen. I don't think actually all. Right that's why I asked. Are we going to do his next movie? Because I don't believe you saw. I believe you vetoed that. said that you do not consider it to be self care. I can't remember what I know I. Don't know. Why did I NOT WATCH WHITE CLAM? I'll know. How do I didn't watch it someone who came up with that? Had its moments, but yeah I. Mean if you take it as just a costume drama. Set in the time period you now. It's fine, but it's. All right well, anyway. Just stay tuned. We'll see what else we got coming up soon and Yeah, folks! In You save out there and we'll see if you make it to twenty twenty. All right folks. Out of here.
The Invisible Man - Movie Trailer Reviews
"Welcome back to us. Podcast your host Chris. Here WPRO and Brandon and we're here to review the invisible man. How invisible man movies have they done is only three? It depends on which ones you're talking about. Are we talking about Horowitz? Are we talking about just like funny ones which one? Which are we separating these? I I wouldn't separate them okay. I don't know a lot. I Dunno I know I'm going to notice very popular. So you have the nineteen thirty three one but I feel what was the one that had Kevin Bacon in it. Hollow man hollow that was hollow men. That's why Ooh does that count. Yeah I feel like I feel like you should count forgot. They call that fucking movie hollow invisible man right like I said. That's one of the closers adaptations the invisible man that there is. Yeah I'M GONNA keep one hundred. I Think Ghost Dad Count to pitch. Count it kind of has to. I mean any of the ones where they play off the basic premise of somebody who does something to put themselves in a position to where they become invisible and still act with urban. Contemporary World is pretty much playing around the invisible man wheelhouse but appear invisible man remakes. I don't know I don't know from Cassia. Just the one thousand nine thirty three one. And then he just shows up in different things like he's in Was IT What's the movie with Qadam it the boy. No not the boys. It's the worst invincible. Yeah Yeah there. You go extraordinary. Gentlemen League's Tournament Gentlemen. He's my favorite version and wasted vampire by film. Ever my shave. My most favorite is of Menas that they waste wholeheartedly my favorite of Dorian. Gray's they waste. Yeah Yeah Yeah so anyway. I'm sorry it would tell me about this. This is you know these women. I think this is technically post fall into the universal monsters university. They were filter making and then they kind of scrapped then gave the blue mouse to do. Could they were? I wasn't able to be like Harrier Barnum's would be the invisible man or something like that. I'll leave the one thing that they did the they did do that. Cover like E W or something like that and all these people because they had Tom Cruise What's his name at a bunch of them you see from? Does it make? It just didn't make it didn't they? Didn't they didn't do it then go yeah? It was like yeah. They had they they had Russell. Crowe Johnny Depp. Who John Definitely playing in this the lock the man from the Blue Lagoon? That's on this will be doing but I remember this but I've blocked it out so they had. Because they had the mummy they had the dracula untold. They were going to do brighter. Frankenstein the invisible man. The only one that come out and probably the rest when they did the will go into the Wolfman who's already been made low. The creature was supposed to do the creature to weren't they the Ad Drexler untold. Already have in helsing Dr Jekyll mister all these films. Right at an aide. -burse no dark universe. Something Dif- wasn't the dark universe. I don't know this is universal class Mosser's and output it up. He added Dark Universe. Yeah Yeah what does this? This is from two thousand seventeen three years ago. They had this like. Here's the thing because Fox and the same thing with the extra movies like don't take the MC PITCHER. Don't don't do that until you've actually have a universe of characters. Don't take that picture of all the actors saying they're going like yeah we don't it doesn't work does you're right. It was supposed to be called the dark universe. But it's still all the things that you listed Paul Fahey. There's no yet dark army. Is Paul fake? The invisible man is this. I remember that a data bank and banks announced that she's also doing the invisible woman which I thought was really fucking corn. Thought it Dan. Now that's right. Well I'll tell you what Radha Frankenstein Frankenstein like. Yeah they gotTA lineup ready to go dragons orcas they should just give them the Lee. Just give them the Li Li. I don't think he's Hooley. What do you want l? I think Lebron L. She'd have to be involved in all of them Okay I like I like. I like the way he made it. Look when we go when we're GONNA talk about this movie. Apparently talk about it now because you got feelings and curious. I don't have feelings and that's the problem. Oh that's even worse. I see this ninety one percent rating rotten tomatoes and I get it but this movie is unnecessarily long. They put they. They wanted Elizabeth Moss to shoulder literally the whole film. And she's that good that she makes it interesting enough that you stay but ultimately I don't know why in a person who is who is invisible would do have this shit that this sociopath supposedly sociopath did in this movie and then it's a bunch of other films like sleeping with the fucking enemy and in it was another film. I can't remember what I said to Chris that night. We walked out but it was still. I was just like trying not to focus on certain elements of it and I just couldn't help myself. I'm also tired of seeing out. His hodges wasted in films like just wasted as a character. I don't know why they wrote they did. They did his character this way and at one point. I wanted to call this shit. We just not listening to women the movie because there was no. I know what they should call this invisible woman because nobody is trying to hear a see. What the fuck she saying at all whole owning. He's the knowing. Look at it supposed to be that. He's tricking people into intriguing. Her into doing crazy shit. Show people think she's crazy and that works when you look at the trailer. When I watched this film I kept seeing all these people say it was so tense and suspenseful and I'm just like or he just took a really long fucking time to do stupid shit like knocking the knife on the floor or him standing awesome bed sheets like us the most boring invisible. Fuck I've ever seen. At Least Holloman. Dul was losing his mind. The king losing his fucking money doing she and the first thing he did was disgusting but it it's exactly what a bunch of dudes with do if all of a sudden they became fucking visible in this one. I'm not GonNa say what he I'm not GonNa say what he was doing to continue to maintain his stalker is ways. But I was like You're kind of fucking dedic. May I just couldn't man. I want the movie the more I'm like I don't need to see shit again. So you're not in my path also denounced also but I think that's the thing I think there and we'll get more dozen despoilers in the Martha so I actually. I was warm lukewarm on it but then more thought about I enjoyed it and the reason why is because it's not. I think the problem is if you're going into a be like it's not universal monsters thing this is not this the invisible man by name only because it really is is what they did was. They took a real life core story which is basically what if an abusive man had the ability to you know being visible. And what would that man do? And so you're right. He's not doing like these really like super bowl entertains but he's basically just being what a normal stalker gas lighting. Abusive men would do he. Just you can't see him and so I think that to me when you look at it in that context. It's where it's not a it's not to me. It's not that suspenseful but I think that's where the interest for me comes in at. It is like it's more hate to use the word grounded but it's more like what that would be this grounded. I mean be you completely at least in my frame of mind. You've got the major points it's just you would never do this stuff. And so it's counter intuitive to you at I found this movie to be unsettling and the moments that where it was unsettling part of it had to do with how often you heard Elizabeth Moss character. Say Listen to me and at the other places where it is like the the core part for me leave. This man is one of my favorite stories. I don't know why But a lot of it has to do with. There's this this that this idea of this thing that can make you unhinged and how you unravel and so for me watching how she unraveled. And what was unhinged not just in this relationship but what it did to how she related to the world and what it did to how it made people see her and then how they related to her is kind of where this movie found. Its groove in. Why people are saying its tent and why it was suspense for certain people or and also quite frankly why would feel unrealistic other people who are not sociopaths? But so that's that's really where we're I do feel that there were some moments in the center where they had done some great setups. And then I don't think I think they turn down the volume a little too low And I know that that sounds wrong in a movie where we're talking about. It's a woman who finds herself being stalked and terrorized by man. She can no longer see in that. Everyone else thinks is dead but I think that they didn't earn a lot of the steps. That day jumped towards the end of the second action to the third. I thought that they should have as you said. I think we should have gotten far more without his character and storm reads character in the household and the dynamic they set up I I appreciated how the movie opened. I I was hoping it was an overt hat tip to sleeping with the enemy because I mean it was a more realistic version of what happened. You call somebody for help But but I I felt like the basic elements and the basic storyline and the theme. That they were running with. I felt like they did a really good man a really good job because one of the biggest things that ever happens is you could tell people that stuff has happened to you. All the time and people like quit. It's basically like a big huge gave a quick hitting yourself as an adult so I felt like that was a more ironic way and a great way for them to play into the title of invisible man. Like there's one portion where you know people are getting dragged pillar to post and they're still not listening to Elizabeth Moss's character. They're still not listening to her right in the thing about that is. I think they do a good job. Because this is one of those films for me where you're right. They're not listen to her at the same time because I said Lord Brennan into the door but it's like does sound crazy like is like I think that's what worked for me for this film. It's like you can obviously go. Hey listen to her. They only put like Abbie look like she did. We get a whole lot right here with the facts in front of you is like she does look and sound crazy though and so it's really hard to kind of lead people and I think that's where they kind of dropped. The ball in the middle of the film I grew ran is too long. I think that he could at least cut fifteen minutes with the way they have it set up now. If you WANNA have it I think it was it. Is it two hours and five minutes just under two hours? Well one of eighty five points five but anyway like to me I think four hours and forty five minutes and actually be out tight one fifty five. You do need to have more Al Hajj. 'cause I'M NOT GONNA lie. I'm also we're brandon on this one L. Does hot might be the most unusual underuse actors in film right now like their role. Does other folks got. That should be eldest right. He does he does a good job of what ever he's given he's just never given enough and so to me with him being a cop in and this is not we'll get into more fully than going into him in Cobb with him and storm reads charactered. There's so much they could have done with both of them. Then kind of developing. Because I think the other problem is you don't even understand the relationship with them. Like how do they really know each other? Like why is she so close with them? Is it was were. You just. Don't get enough information on that and you'll spend enough time with them and I think that using that to develop to if you if you use more than more in the middle of the film to deliver developed that part of the film. The impact later on would have been higher would have been way higher. You know higher but I don't think that they would have ultimately presented the product that they wanted to which was Elizabeth Moss being able to play such a dynamic character and actually make the audience see and feel everything that she's feeling the way she is feeling in. I disagree I think they could have done it. I think that them doing that. Two weeks later jump was wrong. I think that we get her the day try they went to. They moved too fast at the wrong parts of the story and slow down at the parts where they thought we needed them to drag it out the heightened attention the the part where the she ended up having getting conflict with outages here in store character that to me is where they kind of almost lost. Because I was like and we'll get more into in the sport when I explain what happened and to me. It was like doesn't even make sense like you didn't know that. How did you think that that was felt that that to me is where they kind of rushed it? The first time I felt the thing that didn't make sense with when her sister showed up at not not in the opening sequence but after they did the fade in and fade back fade out and fade in Like the energy between the sisters and the dynamic between all the adults was off. And like you get to. She's traumatized she's upset. You get that this is still fresh in her head and I just felt like they should sat there and some of the stuff that we needed to get with. The dynamics in the relationship between all of them would have made certain other things later. Make a little bit more sense but also agree with you with that scene that the way it was physically setup made it overtly not. You're not it was. It was a male dominated net. Like come on guys. You could have done that. The timing was off right completely off. The explanation is honestly one. I think y'all's explanation. That is film is better than the actual fucking film. But that's just me and seems like bet to me which is fucking setups to her by herself. No you're right. There were all they cared about. They did not care about developing these other characters around her which is why their stories don't make any sense. Even the brother stories has done like her sister. Stories have outages character and not explaining to you what the connection is half assed done. It's not supposed to make sense because it's not what they cared about with. The cared about was the long silence scenes scenes. Where she's by herself fucking house where you feel fear so you can connect to that when you first couple times you stayed in the house by yourself and Oh did that move. That not move. Did I just see something that is not just see something hearing things someone watching me? I feel like there's a ghost in here. That's the shit that they cared about. So that's the shit that they put the most effort into shooting having her Aktau again. That's why he had Elizabeth Mall Moss shoulder this shit because that's what they cared about. The those are the the parts that work but the story don't work because they don't isolate her properly to my frame of mind that's my point. My point is they didn't work for me because they're too fucking long in a HAMP THEY. They leaned on him to heart so the rest of it doesn't come together. Yes you get a scene where literally you watch her look scared for ten minutes to see to see some little shit happened and that see in the next day and she wakes up and it's like I get what y'all are doing. You're trying to put us in her stance in her head and shit and I understand it. I completely get it. I was a kid who stayed in the house alone and would not move. Because I'm like I can see every angle from this point so if some just come out of nowhere for no fuck reason because I'm being unreasonable. Right now and scared as hail. Then I'll get to jump like their stuff that they do. I was like okay and he did this good and then there are other things where they just fucking drag it out because they're trying to build the intensity in suspense. They're trying to have people sitting beside you in the theater screaming at some shit. It took twenty minutes to happen because it took that long. And everybody's waiting for it and that just drain drains me. Because I'm like this is about to be two hours waiting for some shade to happen and I just can't quit. I get it I I was I was. I was on and I keyed into a different place for this movie. So that stuff didn't actually bother me and Some of it has more to do with what it feels like. Not just about trying to get the jump scare. But about what but about being in your when you actually have been either traumatize or stocked or put into a position to where you actually have been convinced that you can't believe yourself. That's that's stuff is is unnerving it is and it does feel like it takes forever. I don't disagree that their parts of this movie that dragged. I enjoyed this movie. I liked it a lot. I think people should see it. I think it's a way that they reimagined the idea. I thought they brought in the original unhinged nature but they put it into a different part of the story rather than just having it beyond the invisible man but for me I feel like it really worked and I felt like having Elizabeth Moss centered was a great thing and that was overall what kept me. Clock clued all the way into the story. I just feel like the parts where they were going to try to demonstrate what how isolation happens when you know. 'cause there's something else she says she's like this is what he does. I felt like they rush through some of the setup to the isolation so and then they're like we'll will now. We need to make this last a little longer. But you didn't have the proper connection to where they had pulled her out of before. They kinda boxed off by herself right opening scene it might be it might not because because I mean that's not even having to be movie your he's dead so it's like there's not enough time there too and like. I said I think the I'm with you. I think this is by no means. I saw the writing so it was like nine. This is still a ninety percent or something like that. I haven't that's I think that's way too high like I enjoyed this movie. It is. I'm I I enjoy this movie. I think that's way too high. I think there are some issues like it's too long and I think they put some of the folks on there but overall is still to me is still. I still enjoy this movie. I I still think overall is still very enjoyable for what they had there. And I'm with you all did upgrade so I remember upgrading I liked. I liked her Adrian and so I like what he did with this. I think they they they need to. I'm oh I would love to see him. Do other stuff here. The gist with a little bit tighter prescrip- like who wrote the script on this he did and I'm GonNa tell you some of the stuff that you feel is missing is is is actually the of either a nonstop. Somebody like Brandon's mine needed to have been saying able what about this or needed a woman and I think I think that's what's missing. I think I think even just having a woman direct in writing it but definitely should have been a woman hear writing on some of this to get some of that field. Because I think we've seen this happen before. Like men can happens with anything when you're not of that group right and you're writing something it doesn't mean that you can't captured us up but sometimes it's hollow and you don't get the full effect and I think that's what happens here. You is like watching. Somebody trace art versus created themselves. And here's her in places you can feel where he's tracing what would be like for a woman to experiences. Fear of her abuser. Having you know watching her every move and nobody else believing her and having that gas leading thing but I think the problem is that the entire everything was was senator round. The gas lighting only happening in this context with absolutely all the time. So it's like there's just certain things I think they could've done the kind of set that up to to really understand where where this is coming from an understanding and add more fuel. I if you did it that way would've added more a fear element to this. I'll know if I would have been okay if he'd added. I don't know if I would have been okay if he'd gotten everything right but I don't know it does but I think that's what I think. That's what made it a great horror film. Yeah that's what that's what I mean. I feel like because of the way that he reimagined the invisible man. I think he did a really good job of keeping the fundamental nature of the terror from the nineteen thirty three and translating. Some of the more introspective narrative elements that come from the original story into his remake but because his perspective is off what he considered to be the important parts of building up to the trauma and building up to those big moment were missing. They're missing some elements of the things that actually do scare the shit out of women about being in situations like this but they're also missing some of the elements about what happens with the people and to the people around them having to watch this happen to somebody so That's what I meant when I said I think they turn down the volume and I think they did it because they built this around domestic violence and a lot of people are on a hyper power dynamics sensitivity level but I think that had one L. decided to do it he could have done it. Well I think they so they turn down volume too much and I hate that. I have to say that 'cause that means we had to see her get a ass beat or something in a different real world. Everybody can see everything even if they don't believe her contacts and I'll know but by I think we're we're having a woman writing. This would have helped. Because I think that you could have ch- you could have shown those elements and not have had to go to that level right. You could have shown 'cause there's that point again this early I think we'll we'll get more in detail. We do the spoiler for this. But like when she's at sitting down and talking to audit highs in her sister and telling them you know about What he did and how he controlled her and how that went. I feel like not enough. Time was kind of really like spin on that because I think that is the key element. Yep for the rest of the film right. You need to really explain that and how that is like there's a time we've changed satiety between that and then her struggling to make it to the to walk out of the. House and walk to the mailbox. That kind of stuff I you. That's a key element to the whole film of understanding how he controlled her. And what goes on with that and I think all the I said this is brandon. We were leaving out. I think there's another one of those things where can get too much into without going into spoilers. Holly they made him invisible But I think that's also another thing that they kind of Kind of wasted. Who was who. Who's Adrian Alfred Jackson Cohen Oliver Tax and Colin. Yes because he doesn't really get to do a lot like I think Brennan was like he's on the set for maybe like thirty seconds. He probably had two days. Call Time you know so we because of that. You don't really get you know. Get to you. Don't really get. How much of a monster he is before. He was invisible. I they wanted it to be a little too slick I I don't know. Maybe my bar is reset to be lower when it comes to to more of the mainstream leaning into the horror movies but I yeah outside of it being too long. I was okay with everything that they gave me. I wanted more. I absolutely wanted more but I liked where they went. And I can't say anything else. Without spoiling from we'll get into all right let's give her a score for this Brennan would you got like six out of ten row. I'm a seven and a half. Yes that's where I'm at. I'm at a seven and a half I enjoyed it but I I do it with all the flaws. It definitely flaws is definitely one of the things I wish. They could've made some better choices with it but compared to some of the stuff they've done with these university. Multiple Films is better and obviously Grounded works better for them than fantastical elements they were doing. Some of these other films like Dracula untold and things like that so I Frankenstein and Shit. So yeah this this this. You know it's a it's a good first start. I'd like to see them. Make some improvements going forward that some Make sure you've got subscribe to us on premiums. 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"The. You're listening to the after the show movie podcast from ace co dot com. Confined, this podcast on the I choose music, still Google play you chew voice assistance. Just say listen to the show, maybe PO cast, and you can also find as an ace Galeta come where we post written reviews without the way area hosts, hey, Scully hand sits. Hello sid. I am got that sung in my head five on from this move down. Just move on. Move on people's heads your before the to the show stuff. This movie pretty much you're talking about if movies, immune, this movie movie must be good. If you end up talking about it right gre-. I mean there must be something about it. If you talk about straight after the movie. Yes. But then I'm quickly over it if I like it and get it out of your sister. Yo quickly over movies, always have you dislike it? That's when you like kinda lingers or something if more to say, because it was like. How much did I dislike this movie, you know? Yeah. But when I like one, especially when writing a review, I feel like there's less to say, I just want to say just watch it. Yeah. I area I've gone over like our poke casts our longest podcast movies. We really hate. Yeah. Exactly. So, yeah. You could probably determine how good movie is from the length around word by this. I do hate some movies, for example of off topic here but I mean. You know, you know what I hate the assignment? Okay. That was bad. And yes, helping the assignments the worst movie scene. I don't know about that. Because that other one, the in my pursuit house, pretty help assume it was also about movie. Yeah. First. This podcast is about never newcomers, one timers zero timers, if you just accident stumbled across it. We don't just sit here and talk about what we were talking about or about bad movies. No. So it is today June the fifteenth. This is after the show, five hundred eighty sexually Sunday, the sixteenth, they don't care this care. It's either. Is the weekend of Saturday June the fifteenth. And this is the show, number five hundred eighty six the movie we're looking at this week is so twenty eighteen movie's release releases on Blu Ray this upcoming Tuesday. So you can pick it up this week rated R and our friends at universal centers. A copy for review said tall. Give us the synopsis of the movie alls. I don't think I can. I don't think it's not as upset some out. Snap sizable, is that a word kind of a movie. We're going to say right now, the review the buck of the boat, there will be spoilers throughout. And if you don't want to know anything, I really knew nothing of the see the trailer we've seen other Jordan Peele stuff and therefore had that much information, but did not really know the heart of this movie. So that was good. So if you don't wanna know. And you really just want to go into it. You know, fresh in virgin. Virginal. Ver-. Janelle virginal Jainal, no for Johnny. Without having seen it without ever having known anything about it watch it, and then go back on a little device and zoom around and then click it, and listen to this otherwise, we're going to tell you stuff that will not ruin it. I guess, for some people. But you if you sit there knowing it, it's kinda like oh, right. So we need a siren that goes off at this time this time in the custody tweet, the spoiler alert, siren and sounds like old timey radio. Like. Okay. I'll do that every week. Want want? I can give you a quick synopsis of this is off the back of the bucks. Fair now. All right. So the pizza say, IKEA second name either new young goats. I'm going for the pizza neon go from twelve years. Slave in brackets, and Winston Duke black pump in brackets, there, an endearing American family and its pizza also envoy panther no. Twelve years, a slave. Yeah. Is the lady from Walking Dead was in black bump the right now? I was thinking her. No, I don't think she maybe not. Maybe she was shown. I know you're talking about. No, not her. A look at it. I don't think so, because it would say, wouldn't it on the bucket his books because they seem to that you'd say very endearing American family on a it against terrifying. An uncanny opponent d'appel Ganga's of themselves. So there's kind of a spoiler on the back of the book eighteen she was in Black Panther. So why wouldn't they put her brackets in Britain pump instead of twelve years, a slave? Well, obviously, she had an Academy Award, yes, true nomination or award. I'm not sure but so that's kind of a big deal. That's a big big kind of a big deal. All right. So we have seen Jordan pills other movie called gets out, and we have a podcast review that you can go back and listen to, and I'm not speaking for you. But I will say what my opinion of that was, I really enjoyed it open till the point. And then it was a bit to kinda hokey to the end. That's what I didn't like it went a bit. Crackly noise, it went bit too out there at the end to get what I'm saying yet it lost its credibility for you. And that's why I didn't like it. Well, just like the whole thing because I'll like two thirds of it. Okay. That's there then. People say, I keep seeing things. They get was the greatest horror movie of all time. Actually, this movie says, it's the gray star movie of all time. We'll see people saying, yeah. The best movie of the last ten years in the horizontal is gets out. I totally disagree with that. And I mean that's so subjective. It's like you can't even say that. Yes. Just subjected, you know, well, it's subjective. But in my opinion, it's not. And so many people think it is. And I didn't get from it. Exactly what everybody else did I guess so you really like to didn't really like really enjoyed it. Like the whole the vibe, the look, I was creeped out a lot, which I always impre she ate in any horror type movie talking about gets out. Oh about this. I was asking you what history with Jordan Peele stuff. What did you got? Oh man. I enjoyed it also is just that it the same thing. You kinda go will what we were on a nice say believable because it's like science fiction mixed with future science fiction mixed with alternate possibilities for human advancement, you know, that kind of thing. So you can't say it's realistic, but grounded as you go along in a very you're going along, like, okay, you know, everybody seems peg down to some kind of reality. I understand the universe. I understand how physics work now in this world hoop. I understand the kind of weird magic element to some degree, that's going on here or whatever you wanna call it. And then it's just like the people the characters and the story fell apart a little bit. So it just like you at trailed off, but it didn't make me dislike it as a whole. I just didn't understand quality wise, why people thought it was so great. Other than the message in the emotional reaction. Yes, I can understand that. But if he showed it, somebody at one hundred years, or five hundred years from now, would it have the same impact on the next thing we saw by Jordan? Peele was the reboot of the twilight zone is air in the moment on CBS all access. We seen like eight of the ten episodes. So far think some of them written by him. Some of them are not, but they all have an overall Joachim peel, kind of vibe to them. And what did I what did I say? Just before this to you, I this is how I see that twilight zone. You know, twenty nineteen version of toilet. So it looks really good this some fun tastic actors and acting in it. Some of the stories are interesting all of them, but even the ones that are interesting. They don't particularly go anywhere. All too heavy handed. There's like, there's like. There's like a line in it, like, oh, that was to have ended. All this one doesn't really make any sense subjective. When your point of view in your life experience. Right. But to say that it is heavy handed. It's just. Who knows it might be the exact right amount of like. Yeah. For somebody, you know. But, you know, they remade let me give you an example. They remade, the terror thirty thousand feet one the famous twilight zone one, and we watched it, right? And it was well made and it's good special effects, and the plane crashes good. But then the ending it was, like, you know, yeah, it was like, and you're talking to, to a twilight zone as it's like the twilight zone lover. It's like you remade one of the most famous episodes of twilight zone and somehow you made it not good. I mean somehow that's like probably the expectation that is not gonna be as good. Boy, it follows in the twilight zone series all about the same kind of reaction to almost all of them of like. Wow. This is really cool. Like, maybe for about the first two thirds like I said, for gout. And then, oh, it starting to fall apart. The end. I'm kinda sorry about that because I was enjoying it. You know. So. With those which we're talking about today. The new film from John Essien. You are you and I s the movie. Yeah. I have the same reaction to this movie. Right. I think the first two-thirds what was a fantastic horror movie. I was. I think it's really good. I think like the, you know, the beginning is like the family going out to the place, the some really wintered horror movie fair. Yeah. But this real felt some realistic bump bump to, hey, that would. Well, that's just conversation realistic. Talk between the characters. It was quite funny. The dynamic between the family was good. Some stuff started to up. It was suitably creepy good sound effects. Makes you jump a few times. And then the thing starts to open. I was enjoying that even is, you know, this spies, we've said already this motives, and is crazy. And then started to explain what was going on. And at the point is tied to explain what was going on. It starts fall apart for me. I was like, like I said to you. I either wanna know more like a really wanna know all of it or I don't wanna know what just a little bit of what's happening because the they don't fully explain what's happening. Do they in this movie? I mean it is to me, but you're a you're interpretations different. So that's what I'm saying. It's subjective. Because I get what they're saying, has had I understand the movie book. Yeah. It's not satisfying enough. I'd almost rather not have any of that explanation tools. The end tall and just easy for your brain to find holes in the one or two sentences that we are told scientific experiment governments doing this thing, it failed, the abandoned it, and now we've got this shit storm of double gangs that is like, that's the bottom line. And then you it tells you that and then you start going on. I'm trying to think in my so this one of more of everybody, right? In saying you're brain gonna let me figure this out before you know it you are law. A little info, you know, the movies over and really told you not. Well, no, we know tapping though, I'm not sure if that's fair. We know what's happened yet. Just didn't get any visual clues about it. We didn't get to see any scientists with a clone laying on cable going like it's a little, we didn't see any origin story of what's happened on, but we understand what's happened. They tell us from clearly. You could revisit this story and have a whole thing on it. I think but the way it's the way pulls off the end in, in this movie. It's extremely on soft is fine to me and. The build up to it is really good. And the action is really good. And the suspense is really good. It's almost like a like a Friday, the thirteenth film in parts. Yeah. I really enjoyed the whole vibe. I was I enjoyed it too. And it was creepy. Like there was some really creepy moments like very the moment when the d'appel gun show up and the kid scurries off into that Bush. That that's just a very small thing that happens when I was like, oh, my God. That's just like what the hell kid just like screw you. Don't like that, though, too. There's no explanation for why that is if our explanation for what they are is that they're just people also doesn't make sense missing. That, that doesn't mean a human can screw up a tree, or a this. I have a building like that doesn't make any Ganga's don't behave. Exactly. Like goes is kind of explained in a one line way this movie. But yet they're bit two different like, yeah, you're right. This kid can scurry up a tree like a monkey like straight. Oh, patry. Like up to the top, and I was like. The dot the d'appel gang of the Dodd is like super strong true almost like, like it can overpower the, the normal dead. So correct says some Florida visit. Yeah, there's some physics. He things where you like, is that because the experiment went wrong? Did it do something? Eight you're over thinking, like I did. And then it's like, oh, wait, wait, wait. I don't need to be thinking about this. But like I say that I think is pretty effective for the until the style. Explain this is actually I can feel the point in the movie where I kind of started going. Okay. It's almost the same as get out out of really cool build open really spooky weird think. And then it got to the hypnotism bit. And I was like, oh. Yeah, but we'll ask what I didn't like so not movie. Did that to me? I went. Oh, no, no. I wanted something more than that. And it's not an same here. I mean I was I kept thinking, so we'll see explaination for d'appel Ganga's, like in my mind that so we'll see. Explaination. I was coming up with things as it was going on. But nothing they explanation was to control everybody like I know what it is in the movie, but I myself I was like, okay, so this is what this movie is. So, so you were trying to apply it to like a real world scenario instead of like alternate universe. Yeah idea, which isn't good. When you're in a science fiction world, and you need to be convinced fully what it's what the story is telling us happening. Now you can have a movie like the matrix, where the first part of is you're watching you're watching watching, and then all of a sudden somebody's like it's not real, and you're like what and then you're pulled out of that, like it's true. Trick? And that makes sense. Now, you're now you have to buy into the universe. They're selling us, right? You saw some real world. Now, you see the red pill blue pill version, the matrix version of some of the movies that have. Onto lund. No, I was not the same. That's like a whole other go down the rub. It whole nam thinking like about spotless mind that one where you're convinced this is real real. But then things are falling apart in a weird way in by, then you're comfortable with the real world. And then they introduce you to these weird physics in the weird dynamic of what's really going on. And then you accept it. This one, these movies seemed to kind of dislike like you said, they sort of drop you in it, not in a way that kind of fills in all the gaps spotless mind I can go. We're dream machine. It's like erasing. Someone parts of their memories. As I can get behind that. And whatever happens. It's it's in their mind or something a dream world. Again. I get it. I get it. I'm in, I'm in, and then you go along for the story, this one doesn't hit all need is a few more lines of dialog. Maybe just enough to like satisfy me, but I still enjoy it very much. Well, yeah, I enjoyed it too, but I just feel like it's doesn't. But then pot is fine bolt. I wanted a bit more from it. There's a lot of questions to be asked isn't they that's the problem here is like so now what yet now and also like all the time these people have been under that doesn't look like anybody's supervising, or anything that they abandoned open into the real. This opens in tunnels underground, well, the explanation was and she said, we were tethered until the tether was broken. Also, that's not fully explained how the app, and when that happened, it is not that is when they can explain the tether, either the tether is like she explains that they're okay? Here's the deal. Create a clone. It's a separate body, but for some reason when they made the Coon of person that exists they can't recreate the personality compl-. Plea separate so they still share a tethered personality and experience. They're the people who are living in the sewers down below in the cages, or in the wherever they're keeping them are having to experience like Christmas morning opening packages up above when they're sitting in a shitty rotten probably sewage filled K drum filled, but they know it's supposed to be something different, but because they're feeling it and seeing it or whatever, and their mind. So it's kinda see that makes it better for me to submit to Mexico. I'm what we do see of the tether, in action. We see people underneath that was the end like it shows, you some people on a roller coaster up above, and then shows you people down below like pretended. I mean, they're not presented the experience in a roller coaster, there isn't one so that kind of, which is a little another loophole, because then that doesn't ever happen anymore, except for the kid exacto, there's a few of loopy, and the reason that bugs us is because we weren't sold the bubble of disbelief or bubble of, of belief, we know they're just, it's just sprung upon you. Yeah now yeah. There's a twist, the main twist to the movie, explain the main twist, which you already knew I wanted the main twists. Yeah. Because I mean, we're already done spoilers, said fine. We're in. We're in. Well, the story as she gets kidnapped or she walked away from a parent's in the beginnings of child as child, and then we see her as a child back with the parents. But then as we figure later, when the, the say the real person but like the up in the down. So the up is the person who lives up on the surface, the human who's been cloned down beneath. The red version is down beneath the red version of the little girl, and the little girl each other, and we don't know this until the very end, but they have the red version of the little girl has kidnapped her chained up down below and the double ganger has gone up above and lived out her whole life, instead of the real girl. So the real girl has been trapped in the sewers in this lab with no people, except for the weird double ganger 's on the last thirty years. The old disconnected version is living with the family, but she's not disconnected. She's Jenga defined. He doesn't fully the. She's fine. She's had kids, she's got him studying. He's fine. But in the way, the way, this movie works the way, the bottom talk, works is the d'appel gang fully filled it. They need the other one, right? Less less evolved version, I don't know about that. That's always seemed to me. And that's where I was like a why she, I mean, she they say a couple of times that she, she just liked being around people shit wells is that. She's she speaks to link. She's less volved or anything. I think that when you're saying they hinted a couple of times that she's not like a buddy else. She she's when she's into thing, and she doesn't wanna go to the beach, too many people. She didn't like the peach because of people who go the beach because she knew that, that's where the swat fame was bushy. Also, then when she's talking to a friend, she's at the front. She's that's the friend, don't really like being able to I m stunned the no. She said, I don't do talking. Well, yep. Yep. That's what I'm saying. Like I is a the way the thing works the way this movie works is the people and the down people down people, not we've seen the down people. We saw them they're not like goes they look like goes, but they don't like us. So how his vision that ten exactly like us because the one line in the movie that tells you and she said, we were born different. Yes, that's. When I'm like, and they're both aware of each other. When all the others are not aware of the that's the way it's like oh, you just. She came up to up above, and she's being raised by two parents who love her and care about her. And so she gets all the nurturing all the education all the learning all the habits. She's being now both of them were up there. They both would have been the same just that below. You get no social, you get nothing of society or culture. You're just running around mimicking, everything, up above, but not knowing anything. So yes, it is. But it's fun to talk about. Yeah. So as far as like the movie goes as a decent amount of horror. I, there's some like unnerve ING images Faucheaux cheer on. There is definitely so just straight power movie stuff, being stalked being stopped being what would happen if like you, you know, you sat with your family, and you'll family tune up at the front does like crazy. Yeah. So this is all about. And I think it was pretty well. Don't there's definitely some skies that just involved the sound like being loud, like you know what I mean? Like that stuff. Yeah. Scat type stuff. But, you know, it was definitely like Jordan Peele seen a law Harare movies. That's all I can say. He's seen a law of our movies, right? 'cause he. Yeah. Yeah. Mule as law Olov them, he loves them, even said in the thing. So moving onto the cost lupita neon go go with that. Lupita lupita pizza Nyongo. She plays Adelaide Wilson unread. So she plays like everybody in this movie, two pots, and I'm going press by because the very different pots, very different like this, you know, it's fun. It looks fun dislike the weird like the and then is the Nomo vision and well, but everybody's that actually is no. What do you think of an excellent? Just really, really riveting held my attention endlessly. She method acted this apparently according to the extras just for that other part. Yes. Stayed in character as the red curry to even between take main. She didn't do a little bit of the Batman thing. But this time it totally makes sense. So I, I was onboard. Yeah. Winston, Duke plays Gable, Sohn and Abraham. I thought he was really funny. He was as a part where he's on a boat, the beginning way brings the boat to show the family. He's like his dad, and he's kind of, like, do they trying to emulate Griswold with the kids being, like yeah. There's definitely an element of the kids like embarrassed embar. You know, he's just he's, he's kind of funny book, God, he's embarrassed him. But I thought it was quite funny. There was some legitimately funny stuff that he said. Know when the kids when he said, you don't need the internet, this, the whole Outinen. I realize now but, you know, he's just the embarrassing, and then his version of the gung aversion, he's just like a suffrage, like it's, he's like yet doesn't make a lot of sense of Hoke. He's just coming for you is real strong. Maybe, maybe not the whole, maybe Jason voorhees. You know. Be reminded me of qubit to piece together was he trying to make it so that each of the double ganger copies possess part of the other person that the other person can't quite. Yes. Couldn't quite do as magic trick, and then his double ganger make fire to happen with his hand the girl that interested in being a fast runner, and heard up ganger is like lightning fast running, and really agile and jumps on the car like a like a star athlete. You know what I mean? It's like the of the personnel then what about dad the debt? Oh, I think it is. Like toes. Not very tough. Doesn't really do much to defend the family. In fact, at one point, she says you're not making the decisions anymore and it totally get him out of the picture when he just baseball when they. Nope. He's like, I've got this, I've got this, and then he goes outside, and he hasn't really this. Exact they've made him sort of an ineffectual that he's not the brute at all. And then his double ganger has only that so yeah. So it's the part of your personality account quite grasp. That's interesting. I think we're adding that, but often. Elizabeth moss plays kitty Tyler and Dahlia. I love Elizabeth moss from a madman. Yeah. Peggy was one of my favorite GARRETT'S in shoe. So she was pretty awesome. Like a massive character arc. If you watch the whole thing, and she's good, right? Yeah. I mean I like her and the particular part is when she's the red character, and she does that like she's like she's traumatized that her double ganger husband is getting killed. But then she just turned into this weird joker lap. But she's making no sound. She's like she's. Actually kinda tip. So he's breathing. Face turns a laugh elec-, and I was like, oh shit. She's creepy when she plays like Kisii Tyler. She's just like to. She's not happy with the husband face. She's not, she's the. So, yeah, I quite like that. You know this movie. You know, you might think is a race thing, because we follow in this family said, Elliot, you know, Jordan Peele in the kind of stories he might tell. But then we have this whole thing with the white family, which is really that was we looked at each fair thing is that we're distinct, we have just being stupid knows it's not even reasonable to think that not really thing that I think he was. Right. I don't think so people's bias, a bias that we're making up, and then what he's really talking about his all of society and culture and no one's is in the title of the movie us on the US os on the US as Ellie saying, I don't know us as human race said. Remember when they said to the double, well, you and they go where Americans heard, she's a real, little girl, she's the real person, and she was had been watching television. So she didn't have a lot of information about who's really is the Huns across America campaign from the ATS is like a thing in the store nineteen Eighty-six rock on the year that graduate from high school across America. Didn't that will shame on. You'll one of the people in this didn't do any of the charitable things. All right. So we've got Tim Hidaka who plays Josh and techs, I, I don't know if I've seen active before what do you think of him Elizabeth is has been telling neutral didn't like him thought he was not neutral, like how hatefully was was kinda like I don't like that. Someone's extraditable. That's just cartoony. So no, I didn't like it. I kind of liked that when new on the beach. You know, you could see it was very, the actress you can see the marriage was real fractured. Right. Because he's like, oh, just like niggling too much. Now I kinda liked him when he played when he turned into his when he's doubled gun gets on dope. A dick. Yeah, it was a complete shut, right? Joseph plays Zora slash Hombre. These are the two kids basically, and even Alex plays Jason Wilson Pluto. And both of more than task stiff, I mean fantastic casino, the to go up the stairs with the golf club, both of them. Yeah. Take on those two sisters guy was awesome. Like, okay we're going to know. Really tough kids or anything, but I will I lives are on the line. We're going to go up. These status say they've look at each other, and then they just go they deal with those stuff. And then at one point, the dad says to the mom, you're scaring the kids and they both go too late. Like it's been a crazy eft up night, dad movies. Yeah. So that's all the people movies, I was gonna say, like it's not really gruesome or anything like that. Is it not not really? No. Like I mean, there's blood. But yeah, it's kind of losing worse. Yeah. So right to buy Jordan Peele. You'll know he derides. He's also comedian the did the key impeach show. It was in Fargo, actually, the TV show. They were really good him unto Kate, right? They were both in Fargo. We sent the send them their member cops Elia, and they both turned up and stuff up. Pretty pretty. Yeah. They were good in that. And Jordan Peele has been around for a while. But now he's going into this horrifying. And he said, he's going to stay in the horror thing. So how do you feel of Jordan Peele is direct? Split like five. I have I have a split opinion. I liked the vibe. I like that gives me feelings. I don't get a lot more seen so many movies in my life. That's hard to make me truly creeped out in this movie did creep me out many times, and also the quality of performances. He gets all of that. And I like his vibe when you're watching him in extras and stuff, how he's just really into it. I like him. I just want him. Yeah, I just want better overall stories. You can tell me whatever social commentary you want. I'm totally into that. However, the story you're telling me if it's fictional science fiction future, fiction, future weirdness, if there's magic involved want the story to pull me into your world, and I'm totally buying it. And so that the message you're giving me inside of that story inside of that world. Disclose into my head without me sitting there going away to minute. Wait a minute that seems a bit off that seems a bit weird. That's the only thing I would ask is to fill in those story, gaps otherwise and that means just keep making movies. Yeah, I like him. A he's definitely into horror. I mean you can tell from when he's talking in these extras. So let's we've onto the there. He's not the only person who doesn't tell a great story. No. He does tell good stories. It's just. I don't know. I don't talking of split. Am night. Shyamalan is kind of get in a similar type of I'm not talking about big twisting. But I'm talking about I'm not Shyamalan also has some varied quality going on. Yeah. I'm times. It's great. Sometimes it is all miss way does, so because this cool stuff about split right that we just saw them. There's also some like, oh, I wish they wouldn't donate light up. Well split was the older one, right? No split gloss. Yeah. Even split though. I mean he deals in the same kind of Gina. So I am debut reviews at this point in the show. We look at the worst reviews of the movie we equals you on. I am debate and you'll think, well, if you kind of lightness, maybe why you looking at the worst reviews, the worst reviews are always the most always shows the most creativity or lack of grades of people on the internet. I think the wrote by the double gang. All right. Would be wrote by Mino yoga Ganga, actually. So the first. Knows better on. I am db is my wife and I went to see this movie, and I have to say that it was just a silly movie, the entire plot was on realistic in blonde. We actually left out loud. The AD Altaic scenario, the fight the lupita was handcuffed to a Cuffy table and couldn't move. It inch was ridiculous out. Heavy was the bloody coffee table. Okay. I did think that I looked I'm on board with this one comment. I looked at my coffee table when I got home, and I shook my head, I child could drag my coffee table all over the house. He could even sake upstairs if he wanted the father was just a soft Blackman. I'm black, and I couldn't believe it when he dropped the button in the hand of the clone he limped around the entire movie, a weak and feeble Blackman, oh. A win the family into the lung Rover and the doll to actually argues about who will drive the vehicle. So in the middle of being chased by crazy close, they're actually arguing about who would drive a vehicle on the father at an injured left knee e could have driven the vehicle. But instead says he's we self in the passenger seat. The daughter actually drives the vehicle, so in desperately dangerous situation at twelve year old, we'll drive very capable on-drove also nonsense gets out was far better. Sounds like this guy just does a problem with the week doubt. But here's what I like is that he's given. You specific reasons why he didn't like it. This is what I dislike about these reviews or comments is that they just say, worst movie ever want my money back, whatever. But my life back, but this guy is telling you so I respect that the next one star review says this is the worst thing I've seen all you there isn't a story. All this movie wants you to do is go on the internet and read about seventy five million different theories people have about. I mean that's angle. What the folk biggies type ever? Absolutely one of the most boring films. I've seen in a long time is trying to be smart unoriginal. But it's fails it's not enough for movies to be original these days, they also have to be entertained. And this move is definitely not scary. It's just silly in a good way. Neither date I disagree. I think it was very entertaining. I'm so sub this foam was so rubbish all the actors and actresses were greats. But it was a slow film pointless. No, meaning I'm beginning. The audience was left wing as it was such a joke. People fell asleep and then woke up, there was also only twenty minutes worth of action, and that was where they will get an attacked. I felt it was boring a joke. I'm was trying to be funny if it was a joke and trying to be funny, then that's good, right? Yeah. But again, they're giving you a little bit of specific not, not digging real deep. But Billy something there that you can get your teeth into about why they didn't like it supporting these this movie great potential until the last twenty five minutes when it got bazaar, this will be peels worst movie of his long bright future. Definitively. I've decided this will be the worst movie. That's my statement. I won't see the refund this movie. I'd no no character development annot point movies of this caliber, usually have gratuitous visuals to make up for it. But this has nothing to offer all the ways I would have walked out of the movie. I didn't I didn't. I'm unsatisfied by not knowing whether he won't out, I hung in there. You did she this is more of a comedy than a horror movie. So many question marks around the story. True true, but not enough information. There's a lot of I find on all we've all I am bad reviews. There's always at least I only looked the first few pages, but there's always at least ten reviews that start with. I've lost two hours of my time. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's the double ganger affect. I'm gonna gang what you've said over and over and over. Is that a verb double ganging? I'll finish on this one terrible storyline acting couldn't wait for it so end. Even after. Here's the deal you have a choice. You could've, you can make the end anytime you want, and then make it up in your mind. You can even make up your own and talent works tip movie going to the end in can be. You don't even have to start it. I can be, but you'll never know how much you hate it and you start it. And then once you hate it turned out and just look at the cover and go the end or are you watching just go? I'm db in be credible about how much you hated it. So that's the reviews. Thank thank you, everyone for your country. She's movie recommendations, I am going with the kid in this movie war jaws, teasha the entire time. Okay. I'm going with the movie jaws, which is that I didn't even notice that. I know you deny so one of the first things as well as is a tree back a mask from the that I knew he was a tree Beckham. Usc and also was Joe's and also says it's trap. So I'm going with jaws, which is one of the grey suspense films of all time. I'm going with us my singer, that story. Yeah. Okay, I'm also going with movie that terrified me would adopt Gunda scenario going on. And it's from nineteen seventy eight and it's called invasion of the body snatches with. Donald Sutherland member that one, I don't remember it, specifically remember that it exists. I remember that I was probably, too young to watch it, it was on BBC one. I was in the room of my own. Apparently I was watching it. I know supposed to not say on when it was over I go to bed, and I was like a probably shouldn't have watched that maybe I'm actually scared, so it's probably not actually scary. It's all but as a kid, you know, you get failing don't you? Oh my God. I don't the only thing ever frayed of really was aliens come in to take me away while I was, I was terrified of that and saw souljah. So the exorcist way too young and not terrified exercise, exercise, exercise, and the actresses spoke up. Made me. In a red nightmares about things. But it made me watching other movies that were demon related or religious related more tuned into, like, ooh, you know, that feeling. So I am going jaws. An invasion of the body such is nineteen seventy eight. I didn't put man on here, but they're on here on this other thing we have spare spreadsheet, and we have a little thing that we look out on the computer. So, you know, exactly what to say people, we are puppets of the double ganger 's someone else's writing these force. I'm sure mine are. And this is only because as I was driving, and up to a party this weekend for with some friends. I was lead at the sky, and it was this really crazy blue because it'd been storming and it was raining ahead of me had been rain behind me like a three hour drive and the sky had the exact right? Clouds where I could envision the morning afternoon. And good night. Mr truman. Oh, yeah. Yes. Oh Truman show. And then I'm trying to think of something that has is so weird unexpected. You can question the quality of it occasionally, I suppose, but I just love it. So it's one of those shows, I like to experience look forward to again is American gods. I think it's just really weird. It's like twin peaks when I'm in it. I'm like, I'm in my invested weird world guess what? Coming back. There was a new season of it. That's already all Ed. And we have it already to go. Oh, dear nice. I would wait until it was all over. So we could watch it all in a big chunk. Nice. I'm in. Yeah. Yeah. It's a cool show. If you've seen it, it's a. It is very hard to explain what it is. But that's why I love it because you're just like. Also, like preacher. Yes. Very that. Like holy shit. What's TV doing to me now? It's like much of the show. That's blowing my mind. Again. I'm not definitively saying it super high quality for everyone. But for me it's like yet, I can't wait to see what the next weird thing is that happened. Jesus take the wheel, one of my favorite. Explain what happened. In preacher who used to be a bad boy. Now, he's a preacher and he gets into his truck and steering wills missing and his ex girlfriend, who's kind of a wild rowdy young lady walks up, I believe the steering wheel in her hand and says, what happened the Jesus the wheel? It's one of the best lines any if you're not familiar with country music, like, what is that funny? There's a song called Jesus take the wheel by Carrie Underwood. It's so such a good line snotty about two years ago and still reference, it now is really funny. It was. All right. So let's move on to a school still it was three this week. Three. Did you watch three with berate? Don't some too. I mean, I guess, like I get why you're interested in it. I just do only get why I'm interested in it now. I mean these I love you and I understand your affliction reflection for video games. I get it. But then I try to ply urine design for that to mind, these Yasim for anything that I do. And would I go to a three day conference four photography? No. What I go to three day conference, not a show or display necessarily conference for like the latest art supplies in the world. Probably not. Would I go to about gardening? Probably not because it sounds awful awful. It's like people and knows and these expectations. And when you could just literally as you do they could put it all out there on line. I wouldn't go to either. But I would watch it. Yeah. Yeah. Let me say your enthusiasm for the show was quite good, though. You watch the whole Busta. I did with me, a menu actually fell asleep during the square one, correct. I almost fell asleep during the square ones. Don't take that personally, squat do. Anyway. Three starred with Microsoft, I'm just going to go through this isn't everything is just things that caught my eye on. You know what is a we weird yet because there wasn't a ton of stuff that caught my eye and, you know, me, I'll lost of your in love with it all. So Microsoft had a two hour press conference. They announced some games won't call the outta worlds, which was a looked a lot like bald alongs it say out PG shoot to running around the desert. Like, you know, Mike see type thing. Look, kind of cool. They had a game called bleeding edge, which was a it's something like it's one of the is by ninja theory, the people who made a law games theory, but Microsoft, baltim-, and now they make in a it looked like an online fighting game kind of battle royale type thing, and it had like a really cool out style also announced Minecraft dungeons the, you know what like Minecraft game out on their isn't really been or the mind gruff game in the Minecraft series. This is a Oppy g made use Minecraft and it's official Minecraft licensed. So it looks like Minecraft but you're actually playing a game on capitalize on all the people who've been in love with my since they're five years. He did by the whole Minecraft Bruns. So the go do something with it. Right. And then there was like a survival horror gain that they announced the, you know, the trailer side, and I was like, oh, this looks like silent hill. Maybe it's Alan wake, like maybe it's a new L of wake game. But then, the you know, you see it going in this haunted cabin looks really interesting. And then the end is the Blair witch game. So I was like language Gainesville thing. Yeah. Is still this is nothing. It is. I said to you, do you remember that Blair witch three that we won't know? So what we reviewed it reference for that, though, yesterday. We watched it went. So, yeah, there's a Blair witch game. Come in. It looks really cool. It's like a cross between resident evil and silent hill. I'm kind of thing. And then like one of the best games that the show I think, fortunately, they didn't show much of it just showed you another trailer. And it's CG CD project reds cyberpunk twenty seventy seven now, this is a game that's been in development for about five years from the people who made the Witcher on is a shoot up Oppy g set in a cyberpunk in the twenty seventy seven on. It's that kind of cyberpunk wet like say the you as a person in the world and you won, like I'm not strong enough. You can actually go and get you limbs altered all oh, you can, you know, I wanna be a supermodel. They can make you look like one it's like a got implants Ullah gun of Sibol. In, you know, biotic is by mccown's and it's a really well realize looking world and the big surprise of it was they've been showing this game for three or four years, basically, and it's one of those games every time I say, I'm like, this'll it's never gonna come out, and it's never going to see it now it's got a release date, April twenty twenty on the big reveal walls at the end of the trail we've seen many trailers of this game. The character takes his hood down, and it turns out to be canneries than the game. And then can't race comes out onto the stage to talk about the game. So, you know, cyberpunk twenty seventy seven is going to have counties in which you might think is good. And some people are not funds of canneries. You said is a bit one note, right. I mean, I think you might be good in cyberpunk twenty seven twenty seventy seven right? Just think it's a bit disloyal to be like, all shiny things. Make y'all you go. Ooh Reeves, instead of like ooh. What a good. Game. So that's what I don't interpretation. That's one of my games of the show, cyberpunk twenty seventy seven. I've for the last three years, I've been like, well, this just looks amazing. I'm looking forward to it. But can't really pitcher over the cannon phrase. Canada freeze. Canneries didn't sell me more on it. I was already completely sold on it. Okay. The next game is Microsoft flight. Simulates, remember that old crusty chestnut, an oldie? Yeah. Is well, Microsoft flight simulator at twenty twenty is coming out. So finally that to revamp it. If you're a fight simulate fun now you'll play in a game from ten years ago, it really needs like an update is like, you know, the people who are, like, not some, they have like a whole craft fusilage and the of the PC attached to it, and they sit in the house. I'm not aware of this. Yes. The remaining people the people who do the racing games in the whole Cup it. And the sitting there are people who do flight simulator and they're playing that literally playing a game from ten years ago. It doesn't look very nice. It's not very, you know, doesn't make you feel like if lie in a plane, we'll finally, they're going to get a new flight simulator. Spend long-overdue Microsoft also announced that they bought Tim Schafer's company, double fine, and he will finally be putting out psyche notes to which is was a cool platforming game from back in the original XBox. Is finally getting a sequel, also LEGO style owes the skywalk Asada is all nine movies in the LEGO style all on disk. How good Levy all nine movies now to think. Well, you know how the LEGO style was games. Go the really cool always, yeah. But he said, they're getting Kim boring. But this, this is going to contain all of the sky will because dangled, shiny stuff in front of the I go now I like it again. I would totally purchase. I know there's also this really interesting game called twelve minutes, and it's, it's a game listen to this. I takes place did I fell asleep at the show? You didn't. Drew. So you looking down on a room while it's actually not just a room is an apartment. Let's say this house from above election down their living spaces there. There's a couple and the going about the life in the game's called twelve minutes within the twelve minutes watching them do go about the life. You don't control in them that just going about stuff. There's a timely element f every twelve minutes the time loops again and you can like determine what they do like the first time something, my up, and you can stop it happened in the second time. So it's like you're watching this relate, it's actually a relationship between the couple and it looks like they might be a modem astray involved, but you'll every twelve minutes resets, and you can then alter the way the second play goes by, by the inflammation, you've learned from watching. The first one never really seen anything like it looks really interesting to me. And it's from above. Nice really cool. Exactly like that other one except does a different scenario which one time something time loop death loop. Oh, yeah. You get the opportunity over and over and over. And if no it's not it's a totally different kind of, and the crowns have does the same UC's area play out by making choices and then boom every set and you get to make different choices to give different outcome to get an ultimate outcome, right? Yeah. Gives of wall five the announced they'll be out in September chestnut. Full was pretty disappointing. I thought. I like the trilogy the first three and then the full one came out and the completely used all new characters. And it just it didn't feel the same just felt like they were just making some more of it. And this fifth one from the trailer assault. Didn't do anything more than that full funded. So I'm on -fensive out until it comes out, dying like to they showed, which is zoned game. Imagine Mirror's edge first-person Pocatello type game with zombies full of the pitch in the boardroom. Imagined mayors edge with zombie. Yeah. It's pretty much. That falls a horizon full LEGO addition. They actually announced that the show and now it's out if you own the season pacifism you can see it and play it. It's a false with LEGO costs and the LEGO willed is really, really fun. And it looks amazing. It looks just like real LEGO Cavs running around in, in the world. That was a surprise to everybody and they release that the same week. To see star online, too, which is a must if Sega game that's been out for a while, Japan, yours, actually. But there was never an English version of it. Well, that is coming to XBox. And he's gonna be free to play Bobby coming out next year. That's like fun star online was a game from the dream cuffs there. Some people say it was the only reason to own a Dreamcast because at a modem in the Dreamcast, and you can actually play fun of. Could actually play an online game. That's the modem I'm by then online console games. Just wanna thank the Dreamcast was way out of his time. So that is coming next. I remember picking up you Dreamcast. Yeah. Still have it. You. That's funny is one of the best consuls at some superb games. Remember there's some all some games on that thing. Resident evil code Veronica, fighting than I enjoyed playing with you. That was soul. Caliber, correct. Crazy taxi. There was cool games on it played a lot of different games. So then Baldwin's three we all know about that one. It's a new bottle on game because a little like it. Reinvents. Anything shoot cinema Luton. Then they announced a new game called Elden ring, which looks like an PG on it's written by George ARA mountain. So that's the big selling point for it. Our, our, our he wrote some outer limits from the nineties. The TV rights are in the nineties before he started writing novels. And then he wrote think, oh game of thrones. So and then finally, XBox announced their new console is called the XBox scarlet. That's his codename. It's going to be the most powerful console in the world. Eight K graphics on two hundred twenty frames per second on games on it will be out. The release date was the final thing. They finish this conference with it will be holiday twenty twenty right? There's no, there's no price for it. But I'm guessing not seven hundred dollars but, you know, five hundred to seven hundred Maleta it's gonna be expensive eight K graphics and under twenty frames a second. That doesn't come cheap you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So that was Microsoft's press conference. Then we watched Bethesda and you actually watched all of the Festa, you'll complain about Bethesda was, it was all shootin. Yeah. And then I said, but they're the people who invented the shooter. So that's kinda that. Thank you know what I'm saying? Like constant and it's really fast. It's like they're training people to be like a little great very fast, high frame rate. I am not their target market is the think they showed a Duma tonal. I love doom is just so cool. It's like a it's just a like turn off your mind and shoot some demons kind of game. And they also showed wolfenstein young blood, which will be out in about two weeks. What else do the show the showed a bunch of mobile games? That was a bit of a turnoff bit bore those cheesy also. They start with the big stuff and then lead into their cell phone games, which all come in, like super boring. Like every other cell phone. I just don't like Silva games. Anyway, his card collecting game and his a shitty version of the eldest girls. But it's on your phone. So next up that was for Bethesda. It was kinda cool because they, they messed up mushoo with fallout. Seventy-six people didn't like fallout, seventy six, and they kind of came on and said, when they like sound again, we're gonna make fall out. Seventy six you'll make an typing so I'm done different than in their crack Lynn. They said the fallout Seventy-six while they're gonna fix it, and they said they're gonna fix it for free. And what did the show showed like a battle royale mode for fall out that will be free, and they also showed that idea in a new storyline which will introduce characters back into the world. Instead of it being so empty that was the problem people with fallout. Seventy six the whole world is completely empty because a new has gone off and you've been in a sealed open a Bunka when you come out there's just you and the wilderness. Nobody else people didn't light out to meet people along the way enough stories and interesting things. Well, they've listened to the funds and they put in stories and interesting people back in the game, which I think is good. Then Ubisoft rope, I think this game of the show watchdogs, legion is the third watchdogs game. What did it tell you about this one, you can play as anybody in the world? It's really interesting. Concept never seen it before. You don't pick a hero at the beginning and may create your character Embi that carried are just forced one. In is in post Brexit London. So you'd be soft assuming one Brexit doesn't happen. The will goes to shit. And everything's Bod. And all of the people in London going to rise up against the government and take the place back, and you can play as they said, there's a thousand placards in the world, you can be any of them, if, if you'll one of them on that one dies that one's dead forever. You have to pick another one, but you could be like an old granny, which they did show in the trailer. Or you could be like a conch FU expert or a soccer player, or you know, it shows all the different there's lots of different is a flower shop owner in a, you know, it would you like to be in the post in how much does will now I've watchdogs kinda guy kinda out like a ladies paints, payload that requires fighting with everyone so you can be anybody it looked the way the trailer. It's not a trailer actually showed gameplay. So they're not kind of bullshit in about what they're doing. He's just so epic and. Like every person all these people in will the thousand people, they've all got different voice acting different voice actors and they've all got missions of their own. When you when you can't just be opposed, and you have to recruit them. So you're you have to be a person. Find the other person and then recruit them when you recruit them, you actually live. You do that Alridge in mission, which shows you what job, they do like, so say you find like some weird guys and you like I don't do is you go and recruit him. Tunes out is like a an M. I five agent. You might be like JAMES BOND. You might have found him in the world, and then it will show you light little backstory, and you'll play through it. And then you can recruit him and beat him. But if he dies during your using him is gone like, so it's about finding a really cool team. Whether it be a team of old grenades from the pot all, you know, team of cool cinema. Onus, let's say companion web is in the world. So. Wash Doug's legion. It's not out until twenty twenty four shortly ghost recon break point was up next is a new ghost recon game. It's thousands to John Byrne, fol- you will know from the punisher, he came out on the stage with his dog is really funny. He's also from the other show walking debt. Yep. He came out on the stage with his dog, and he's Doug just like this, let us know how big those conferences, and how many people are in that he's dog just lay down on the stage when sleep. And he said, hi, everybody. I'm John, that's my dog the dog's asleep. And then he's just telling you about the game. It looks really good. It's ghost recon. Tom kanzi? And he's the ultimate by guy in it and you're gonna have to take him down. They also showed rainbow six quarantine, which for the first time it looks like they make the usually like pretty realistic, Tom Conti games. But this rainbow six quarantine looks like a rainbow six game win zombies. Let has been a big. Mishap people turning to into the debt. So that should be the game that Mr Byrne, Foale, is it? They also made it. They've also got a game called Rolla champions, which is a roller derby game. You might have seen me plane. Ace. Did you see me playing the role of champions game? Now it's, you know, role adobe. Yes. It's doesn't know or. In America, assuming L, is it, okay? So it's relatively, it's too. It's three verses three. It's an online game. It's very simple. You you've skating around oval. You get the ball and the role. Adobe rosa. Let you get the ball and then you skate around with the ball. And if you keep the ball get one point two point get three point than you have to throw it in the whole. Well, it's that online, and it's really colorful and you can play a demo of it now it's on you play. And finally, from the team brought you assessing screed odyssey. There's a new game called gods monsters, which is based around Greek mythology. It looked interesting in cartoony kind of style, then there was the squaring conference, which sits fell asleep during it was full of Japanese Abby. Jeez, wall to wall Japanese apogee, you love them. There was one fall, you that there was at least twenty you remember it was just that's why you fall asleep. Right. It was a well, they started off with final fantasy seven remake, which is also a Japanese Oppy g but it's the one everybody wants that look kinda cool. You watch that, right? Sure. Say guy would a big salt robot. Yeah. Pretty cool. I mean I'm not into any of that. So it kinda just leaves my brain pretty quick. Well, I'll I will say, look pretty cool. Final fantasy seven was the first fun fun game. I've played, I don't have really like fund ties to. It's a sensual play it. What it did look cool. It's been remade fully from the ground up, then there was a bunch of which I couldn't name tales of this, and something of that bunch of them. And then at the end they have unveiled the avengers game, which was why was interested in seeing. It looked. I didn't like it. First off is Marvel's. The avengers second of not using the lightness is from the movie. We'll let about does that interest, you which one. The gaming stuff on since oaks go. She's very interested. One hundred percent. I've heard it. She's not listening. That's all listening at all. Just the last bit who gave me the vengeance, right? Marvel's the vengeance. Yeah. Why was saying what you want? Listen. The avengers game does not use the likenesses of the people from the movies, right? So they look very weird. Like I don't know who they based on. They don't look, I was looking at it and going is made by marvel white count. You just use the people that we know they all have to look different from the comics. Nope. It's not the ones from the comics it was confirmed. They just made some faces. Right. And it just put me off. It was like if I'm going to be totally stock. I want him to look like why Tony stack is not like a guy. It just looks like a guy anyway, maybe they'll change before it comes out. Maybe they'll backlash they'll change it. And then Finally, I looked Nintendo's conference Zelda breath of the while to which is probably the biggest announcement. They made that unable cross in three. I guess you like animal crossing think I mean, you know, little bit a K K slow. Lyda limited. Yeah. Definitely on a bit of. We'll see cold or you pay the Tom note, not dumb. Not what a jerk Tom noxon asset. What did your guy a may also showed off Louise munch in three, which is like it's like a spin off from the Mario scenario even a homemade house, but you play in his Mario's brother. We Mario scenario. Yep. You play in his Mario Luigi. And he's going through a haunted house. You know, it's cool. So that was three games of the show, watchdogs three on cyberpunk twenty seventy seven. I also I would also recommend falls, the full LEGO which is out now. There was a lot, cool stuff. But it was a weird year because Sony didn't turn up. It's all EA didn't. Stay new styles game. Again, it looked kind of blunt generic unfortunately, but it is a and the evil as we know damn. So that was he three for this all three stuff. So Cinta whilst Padinha. It's been a long time since we've had the topic dinner tonight will be corn, Kyo are in beef in quotation, marks, recess vegetate telling you. Yeah. Veggie beef tips, but they're not they're plant based micro protein, and they're delicious. We're gonna make them with gravy peas altogether. And then French fries out of the freezer on, what is your advice? My vice I did this yesterday for myself, so I'm living the dream, I'm living my advice party. Okay. This week of into funeral a baby shower and a party, celebrating someone having gotten over cancer. So let's life in a bundle right there like illness, birth and death all win one week. And then this part in each time I go like into the funeral set in the very, very, very back as far back as a get it was a small, your home didn't really interact with anyone of the my mother and her man who it was his son, sadly, who died horrible, horrible, horrible wreck. So it's very traumatic and no, of course, is children. Other children talked with them for me, too. But then I push myself to the back sit. The back being the back my sister came temporary. And then one of its granddaughters, who I'm pretty close to came back with her little girl who is a little bit fuzzy. We kinda hit in the back together in the back. Stay in the back interact as little as possible in get out right onto the baby shower interacted high. That's cute cute to chat with my cousin who's also like my best friend. She's two weeks younger than me. So we're very close in age and her sister who also very close in very close. In few other people sitting at the table in the back far from the action, not in the middle not mixing in joining the games. I'm in the back in my little bubble of chitchat with you to chat with you won't really put myself, you know. Full in all in. And then it went to the party, and I was like, and also this is what I was doing. Also, I usually hide by my camera or my in the past descend little point shoot cameras, then got a smartphone. And now I have to Nikon sort of, like, you know, not professional cameras, but, you know, change the lenses and all that Mansi shit. So I will go to an event or thing and I'm behind the camera. Everyone knows said takes pictures said takes pictures, so I can slide around and do my thing and not interact and be protected with my little security blanket, which is my camera I can even just look like doing that. When, in fact, that's just a barrier so that people don't approach me or chitchat with me too much. So that pushes me to the back, even if it's just in theory, I may be in front of everyone, but I can still feel slightly invisible. So decided, I'm not taking the Cameron at the baby shower. I'm not taking the camera into the party. I will have it at the ready if I need it or if I have a good photo opportunity, obviously, I don't wanna miss that, because like there. Sings live music. And you know, I didn't know everyone there. But what I did was I did kind of sit in the back not unfor- sent I made the effort there was this group of older ladies over there in my lawn chairs outdoor party, you know, and. I walk over to muscle, you ladies, looking lonely, have I sit with you, which is not characteristic for me. I would go to the back. There's a tree behind them. I would be leaning on the tree. Right. We need against my car, which was also parked behind them and just observing. And then feeling very, very, very, very, very self conscious and not wanting to engage us out with this lady. So are you ladies from? And how far did you come and deduct 'cause I can make small talk. I don't always enjoy it. But I made the effort to listen to actually engage with conversation. That was fun. And then some other people sat right next to me. We're kind of forming a circle around the outside of the opening of this big jank Raj. They have with the band is live from the inside and this older gentleman. Lisa next me on with the circle and. The guy said the older man said doing you to me. I don't think so. And I said, are you do for, which is a last name turns at yes, he's the father of a guy who's in my class, we get the chitchatting? He'll have also Evans to be a relative. And I happen to have my genealogy page on my phone. So I show him that engaging with that chitchatting with him and his wife and then the tool or ladies around and to make this long story short. I kind of made the effort all evening, not to just shove myself to the back, not the hide behind my camera, but to be engaged fully enjoy the music. Enjoy conversation of somebody Chit chats with me or asked me who I am small town stuff. They're going to ask you, do you belong to so who are you from meaning your parents, your grandparents, and often, I push myself out of that. So I don't even have to engage at all in charge of the event, which I was not I also made the effort not to bring any food, not to bring anything where I would have to be engaged with, like, upper. Nations of the party, I was just there like normal guest. Now, this may sound really weird everybody. You're probably thinking, like put your home with you. Of course you just go to a party and you talk Minna does not have ever been ever drinking a lot, which also was not had, like one beer, one and a half years. Because it started raining, like crazy, and we lift our things outside, but that's a whole of the story, but so my advice is to some of that up. Well, you've already deleted it. He's deleted my vice. So what maybe uncomfortable. I've got on my spreadsheet. So it's uncomfortable for me to just be in an event with people I feel pressurized. I feel suffocated I feel like oh my head is gonna explode because first of all, I don't give a shit about what most people have to say that is the truth. And this time I was like, okay, I will engage in conversation, where I may steer it a bit. Yes. But I'm interested in what they're gonna tell me in what they're going to say because I'm kind of trying to maybe steps, you know, I'll engage in long conversation that isn't just about me, which is rare just me talking about myself is also a security blanket that I don't have to listen to people talk about themselves. This is all very therapeutic for me. So my advice is to be uncomfortable. If you don't like sitting if you don't go into parties, if you don't like sitting at the front desk, a class, if you don't like going to the front of the class, in your water aerobics or whatever it is just do it. Once it whatever your reasons are, it's, it's probably on your head, so baby. Steps, though, this be uncomfortable. And then by the end of the night, I was actually exhausted. I had smiled at people, which is also in characteristic of me. I was pleasant. And. I the group at the end the group get smaller and smaller, you know, as a big party winds down. You get the music's done. Clean up is happening. You get this, like ten people now in the group and then seven or whatnot, and I got in the group, and I wasn't just sitting there like looking around, like, when just going to be over. I was actually interested in what they were saying, and they asked me questions. I'm involved and so, and it was very uncomfortable at first, but the whole of the day evening kind of. Warm down a bit. I told the guy who's my friend who's even the party at the end because are tired, you look tired? I'm just people out. I'm I'm my phases. Tired of smiling? I don't I just feel like I haven't had any like Manno respite. I did walk around the property and take some cool pictures of stuff flowers bird houses that they have they have cool stuff on their property, so that was my one minute here. And one minute there of like. You know, instead of drinking is expected beer, or a gallon of I decided I'll just take my little breaks come in and out. And so my advice is to be uncomfortable. At least is as best as you can. And it will be can build on that. All right. So you can catch basically cuts go a long story long. I heard told you everything you need to know about this. So the beginning of the show, you can also catch talk Instagram, look at a pitch is. Email feedback to me, a squeeze come and stay classy, Mr. Jordan. Peele very classy say, he's very does a fine job high-quality is a good voice. Also just need to, you know, work on that storytelling. And I'm gonna say think for yourself, if you don't someone will do it for you.
The Invisible Man (Featuring Robert Yaniz Jr.)
"All right welcome to another episode of piecing it together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and today on the show it is the beginning of year three of piecing it together heard the new theme right there. There's artwork there's all kinds of new stuff coming your way Those are the first two big changes But today we're GONNA be talking about the invisible man with a new guest co host Robert Yannis junior from the crooked table. Podcast WE HAVE A great conversation. Coming up for you guys The invisible man kind of I wouldn't say came out of no areas. I think a lot of people are really excited about it. And of course. There's a huge tradition with these universal monster movie characters but not so successful recently but this one is really blowing up at the box office critics everything people are just really loving it and so it's it's great to see them doing it right this time out. Not that the mummy was really all that bad. But that's another conversation for another time. Today the conversation is about the invisible man and year three piecing it together so like I said we got a lot of new things in store for you guys with his New Year of the show. Where planning all kinds of special episodes and special new features and all kinds of cool stuff but you should be subscribed to the show if you WANNA make sure. You're always catching all that new stuff. So subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Of course on apple podcasts. Spotify stitcher tune in all those APPs. Podcast where I listen to podcasts. And of course follow us on social media at Piecing Pied and join our facebook crew popcorn and puzzle pieces where we talk about all these movies and continue the conversation from here on the episode. So I think it's time to kick off this episode. So let's get into the invisible man all right so today on the show we've got a new CO host with us. We've got Robert Yannis Junior Robert. How's it going man? Good David thanks for having me on the show. Yeah I. I've been looking forward to avenue on ever since I was in your show while back But I'm glad to have you. What do you tell people since? It's your first time a little bit about you and your podcast okay. So I'm a freelance writer. Film critic and I have the crooked table podcast where every week we look at the world of film from a fresh angle. So that means it's always me and different co host so for example. David was on an episode talking about wet hot American summer. Which people should definitely check out really fun movie that I had actually hadn't seen before? And that's one of the best things for me about having a show where it's revolving co hosts and not really a set like a limitation on the kinds of films that we get to talk about that. We're talking about parasite and the next week. We'RE TALKING ABOU LA LA land the next done episodes on the Christmas in Connecticut and psycho and like all kinds of like random. All different genres all different. You know because the people that come on the show usually as was the case with David. Guetta they pick those movies that we talk about. So it's something that's usually connects to them personally and I feel like I have a theory that it's you really get to know somebody by knowing the kind of art they're into the kind of music they listen to kind of films that they connect with because there's something fundamental about that That work of art in this case cinema that I think speaks to someone on a on a very personal level whether it's a marvel movie or whatever like there's something you know. There's there's the connective tissue there that I think people People either click with are they. Don't totally yeah. I totally agree mean. That's one of the things I love about doing this show. Is You know just having different people. On all the time you know it brings Different you know fresh perspectives and you know just something that wouldn't be if it was just me and the same coast every week exactly and everybody. I think you sacrifice a little bit of predictability with that because obviously different co hosts so sometimes the tones of the episodes are a little different just based on the energy will between you and Co host. But I I you know I think that's in a way. What makes it fun as a host and hopefully as a listener? Never know exactly what you're going to get or the kind of person you're gonNA hear from exactly so today we're talking about the invisible man Which is of course. The probably thousandth time. This story has been told Over the history of cinema since the the Old Classic. Universal Monster Movie Days To all kinds of remakes and re imaginings and to this weekend's is just came out and it's it's getting great reviews. It's doing well with audiences and I was. I was pretty excited for it. When I put out a call for for Co host for upcoming episodes you jumped on this one. Are you a fan of of the the kind of history of this character? I I'm a casual fan of the invisible man. I saw the last well. We might talk about it later. So I won't mention the last like big modernization of the invisible man story but I was most curious because of the filmmaker involved we went out who created. Who's the writer of the first three saws and decrease the insidious franchise and his last movie upgrade before? This was really was a really find sort of like eighty style scifi horror kind of in a way he's described as kind of his Frankenstein actually show. I was curious to see what they were going to do with this property. Especially after the struggle that that universals had trying to get these these characters off the ground once again. Oh yeah the dark universe. I'm sure we'll bring it up a couple of times throughout this conversation. Yeah No I. I agree that that's part of what really piqued my interest as well as to see got after after crashing and burning how are they are they gonNA move forward with trying to get back into the business of monster movies and Leeann Elza interesting filmmaker and it definitely took a very unique and different and very Current you know direction for For for taking on this character and it's I think it really paid off. But we'll get into a lot of that as we're going through conversation. Why don't we jump into your first puzzle piece? Well WE A. This is actually the perfect segue because we kind of alluded to it already. I actually for my first puzzle piece. I had the mummy from two thousand seventeen and I know a lot of times. You know we're supposed to come up with puzzle pieces that inspired the movie and a Lotta Times. That's films that have similar themes but this thing is a more practical way that inspired this because the mummy cost about one hundred and fifty million or something crazy like that one of the biggest stars in the world everybody hated it like the dark universe after that one. Promo photo crumbled name now on film twitter. And we're like hey dirk univer coming soon question so the fact that they went completely in the other direction and they got they got to make this movie for seven million dollars like super bare bones to the to the point that it's quadrupled its budget already just in the. Us In its first weekend is insane to me. And I think it's very I think it's a testament to this is not new information but to the fact that horror really isn't contingent on giant budget. And I think short this movie also used closer to the horror roots of these characters as opposed to trying to make it a marvel style action adventure with like a grey like even an organization that I can't remember the name of in the mummy that was like the shield that was led by Dr. Jekyll and I was. It was such a like ham fisted approach to. You're going to watch this. And you're gonNA like it with that property and to see them completely flipping on it's head here. I think it was really satisfying and legitimately terrifying as I'm sure we'll we'll talk about. Oh totally yeah and yeah. You're so right I mean I. It was GONNA be on my list as well. The mummy Redo you know launching of the dark universe it. It's definitely an attempt to course correct and it'll be interesting to see what the success of this if you know. Sometimes Hollywood doesn't learn the right lessons from successes and it'll be interesting. They say okay. Well we got it now. Let's start that whole thing back up or if they maybe just green light a string of interesting but doesn't have to be connected takes on some of these characters. Which is you know pretty clearly the direction that they should be taking with all this. Yeah and if they keep it with Blunt House I think the most expensive movie was glass. Which was like twenty million? So they'll they can keep that rain down a little bit and worry about connecting later. If they decide to do that on the line absolutely yet I think before jumping in my my first piece we should mention that you know the Blunt House connection. I mean they really are I mean it's crazy. Their track record. They're all over the place really. I mean some of their things. Just you know kind of don't do anything but then some of them. Just make a shitload of money off very very little and I. It's it's an interesting approach. It's kind of just try everything as long as the budgets. Don't go too big And I mean so far. They're really making a name for themselves when it comes to these kinds of movies and I'm curious to see where it continues. I'm you know I. I joke around that I I always say I'm not the biggest horror fan in the world. But it's like. I definitely appreciate the approach that they're taking when it comes to these things not going and blowing things out of proportion trying to not trying to make these big giant epic versions of horror movies. Are there just really making Stories that you know at least on paper you know time after time. We're going to be Interesting stories and then you know whether or not they they succeed. That's you know always up to the opening weekend and seeing what actually happens but they are very interesting studio. Yeah for sure what about you? What's your first piece so I will go with the first thing that I thought of which was Terminator Terminator Two. Just the Terminator series. In general I you know Linda. Hamilton's Sarah. Connor is so sure of of what she has. Seen this thing that everybody thinks she's so crazy and you know it's really a you know. We never really thought of it. I don't think at least I didn't as a gas lighting kind of story but I mean basically everybody is convinced and trying to make sure. She thinks she's crazy as well. we also of course in. Terminator to get the whole You Know Mental Institution escape scene. Which is you know huge action packed and violent which that's where we get our biggest action sequence in this movie but Elizabeth Moss does a great job of kicking some ass and continuing that that You know that that Tradition of of the Bash Chick who? She knows. She's not crazy and she's GonNa do whatever the hell is that she has to do to to prove it and she She's you know she's awesome as she always in this. But I it's it's definitely a theme that I think is explored in both of these series. Yeah and I think to you look at the first few terminators along with this movie and another one of my puzzle pieces that I'll mention on a little bit. I think you do see a sort of evolution of that character into being very submissive very kind of music and then sort of unempowered over the course of the story where they they really kind of takeover takeover the narrative in a powerful way would which you wouldn't expect automatically from the way that the stories start. I guess sure. Yeah absolutely it's I. I'm really glad that he took this direction. You know of of telling the story from you. Know from the the the survivors point of view And and not being just all about the monster the whole time it definitely opens it up to a much more interesting story Than just being about the monster the whole time right and the way that the movie opens up to that situation where she's running away and you don't know exactly the details of it but you're in it from the very beginning. I think that's a testament to the strength of the performances and the film making and that also leads directly into my second piece. Actually Eurotunnel. Let's go the beginning of this movie. She's in a abusive relationship. She's looking for a way out. She's trying to escape. And in the first thing that I that popped into my head and this is I guess because my mom actually really liked this movie when I was a kid so it was on a lot is nine hundred ninety one sleeping with the enemy. Which was star Julia Roberts? And she's basically as a young woman dropped in a an abusive controlling relationship marriage actually and she fakes her own death and moves to another town to try and start a new life and spoilers. Her husband her husband reappears and leads to a big showdown. This sleeping with the enemy felt very similar. Miserable man minus the invisible stuff so obviously they diverge a lot but the general premise of that dynamic. That kind of relationship. I mean now. The invisible man has the benefit you can call it. That in air quotes benefit being super timely to the metoo movement and everything going on sure and gas lighting and everything. That's been in the news much last few years but sleeping with the enemy like tapped into sort of like what you were saying that victims perspective of trying to get away from this controlling significant other Who HAPPENED TO BE MARRIED? But that's what really from the very first sequence where she's running out of the House and trying to get a get a ride and get out of there and in the invisible man. It's flip that he fakes his death. But again it's very similar elements just kind of remixed with the Scifi Horror Sheen on top. I like that. Yeah I hadn't thought of that movie and forever but but that was one of those like TBS TNT movies back in the nineties. It was constantly on television. Yeah yes absolutely. That's just one of those movies that you just. You know you could kind of picture the art work you know and it's like it's just it's just something that you've seen million times over the years but maybe even actually like thought about it or watched it right. Well I'M GONNA go for my next piece with kind of another angle that I looked like also at the opening with and that is actually X. Machen a- The Alex Garland film which I kind of looked at that whole opening like this. This crazy tech genius billionaire house you know and just filled with like so much technology and the person who lives there is just you know. There's just not something right with them. You don't know quite what exactly and his control over any in any anything anyone. Who's in that house? Is You not healthy? Let's put it that right. And so yeah. I just thought of X. MAC and the The Oscar Isaac character is being a little bit of a parallel to to what's going on there. We dive too deep into the tech elements. Just you know we get some glimpses of how the suit is made and stuff like that but It's all there though you use. You can tell that the house is just so you know so souped up high tech crazy futuristic and it's also very secluded and away from the rest of the world by very much by design not just rich Guy House but also because he's sick. Fuck so yeah yeah I I caught on with a little when I was watching it. Actually I think Mike and even entered my mind a couple of times because it's centered on this. Yeah this house very a lot. Lots of natural light all the glass and the secret project kind of happening and like back room sort of deal. Yeah it was a lot of that kind of That kind of vibe for sure. So what do you got for your next piece all right so I don't know how this happened. Have another one thousand. Nine hundred one thriller The silence of the lambs. I noticed in this movie particularly. She's very dominated by a man even when she moves in with her sister's friend. All this hodge. Hodges I think this gentleman's last name the one from Straight OUTTA COMPTON. She constant male presence and she doesn't really get full power until the end and I found a lot of similarities between that story. And that of cleary starling in that in that film clearly being kind of a woman in a man's world that was the whole idea there. There's even the sequence towards the end of signs land where Buffalo Bill has the night vision goggles on and it sort of sneaking up on our invisible man style. She can't see anything around her so there was a lot of. I think no I don't I wouldn't say that the movie necessarily modules it but I definitely think you can see the inspiration of of that movie in Llanell's work here a little bit. Get totally picture that Just on a you know just literal sense of inspiration. I'm surely when just so inspired by silence of the lambs and you know I mean that kind of and you know even to you know. I know that it's his film. But blame house in general. Just the idea of horror films as something that can Transcends you know and become something. That's so culturally important Yeah absolutely So I will go with another piece so this one. I could have just tied to that last piece the X. Mac in a piece that I figured I'd just bring it up separately and this one is really just something about the score you know. I'm a musician so I love music and films and a lot of the music. Is You know just straight up or Castro does beautiful stuff but then when when she gets you know gets weird dark it gets really strange sound. Designee reminded me a little bit of the score from Alex. Garland's relation From the the whole last thirty minutes of that where the score just goes bonkers and yeah and I. I loved a lot of what they were doing that. I I love especially the juxtaposition between that beautiful more traditional score versus that kind of stuff that just really throws you on edge and I. It's it's again more so just the score. Not so much anything with the film. Although you know there's definitely a feminist tangled annihilation so you can draw some kind of comparison there but but yeah so my next piece. I need to go back and listen to the annihilation score because I do remember seeing that film and enjoying it quite a bit. But I haven't really gotten a chance to go back and listen to that I do want to point out. The score from visible man was outstanding. Like I've been listening to it the last couple of days on spotify while I'm writing articles and things like that. Nice it's Benjamin wasps who did the scores for it and chapter two blade runner two thousand forty nine like he's been killing it the last few years so people that are into film scores should go and check that one out. Because it's it's really into the day new MA track in particular which I noticed during the movie like as well as the data Ma is happening. Kind of leading into the credits. And we know we're not going to get into the ending per se right now but just really powerful combination of visuals and music. Beautifully done totally. So what do you got next all right so the this didn't really pop into my head until late in the movie. She is been framed for for all these crimes. She's locked up. She's giving a sort of last dish ditch effort to free herself to get her life back and then she momentarily dropped in this toxic relationship and I read interviews with Lebron out that he even thought of. This film was inspired by. I'm talking about twenty four teens. Gone Girl Big Big in this movie. Big Toxic you know and I think that would still interesting about this film that as opposed to gone girl it's kind of like the gender roles are flipped like in that amy is the one holding all the power and Nick is just kind of stuck with limited options. Although I think the difference there being in gone girl you're not like next kind of kind of a Dick also so you're not really on his side as much. You know what I mean. Like more than amy but in this movie this whole point is the to put one hundred percent in the shoes of Cecilia. And I think I think that's where they diverge but there's definitely a lot of similarities as opposed as compared to that feature film. Yeah absolutely that. That's a great one. I hadn't thought of that. That's interesting that That l had specifically cited that as well because that definitely makes sense now that I hear it allowed and think of it right yeah. It's you know I love it so I'm going to go with another one. That kind of ties back to the score a little bit and it's it's it's really. It's the lack of score. It's the really quiet parts of the film and I thought of as a combination of both a quiet place which we got the sequel coming out in a couple of weeks here and don't breathe Both movies that really are very very deliberate in their use of of keeping things. Quiet to where you could just hear the pin drop and to where it really amps up the tension of like you know you know that something bad is either going to happen or is already happening and you just maybe don't even notice it yet and And it's got you just kind of. It really puts your your senses kind of on alert as you're watching the film at lots of lots of shots of justice the room and you don't even know like ooh something happening in this room right now. Why am I watching this early? I noticed that too and the cinematography in in the visible man like you're a lot of times down a hallway kind of creep at Lake so it feels very voyeuristic in the way that the movement is entered too I thought was great absolutely. Yeah and so it like a really just helps to put you on edge the whole time and I think that's one of the things that makes the movie you know work so well is just that that it's that combination of cinematography. There's probably some lake invisible production design in there that you just not even really realizing it but it's just the room is probably laid out in such a way that like it's just your eyes don't know where to go exactly and then since the sound isn't giving you any clues music isn't giving you any clue is it really just helps her lose you in there you know. Yeah for sure for sure I did. I did take notice that a lot. Yeah and I do like I do. Love don't breathe by the way for people who haven't seen that movie which I mean it was a decent size hit. And we've heard rumors of a sequel or supposed to move forward but Definitely I feel like it was Vera Bass Leandra radio when that came out because it also has very meticulous as you were kind of alluding sound design and great performance by Jane Levy so and a great dog just like Zeus. In this one. Funny thing I was leaving the house the other night to go see the invisible visible man and my daughter's like you're going to see a movie I'm like for you. She's like is there a dog in it and I'm like I will let you know I mean and then opening scenes showed up was she was right. There was a dog in it genius. All right what do you got for your next piece. Well throughout the movie you know we're really kind of wondering is. Cecelia I mean you know. It's called invisible man and we were swimming. There's going to be an invisible man at some point but for the first half it's very much like. Is she going crazy as she imagining things? This kind of unreliable narrator vibe and I was getting big Black Swan vibes just with the level of performance with sort of the people around us. You're not not sure what to believe. And then you kind of Find Yourself. Put in these. I think it would really clicked for me when spoilers obviously the scene in the restaurant with her sister when they you know the knife just comes across and then it's back into her hand and obviously we saw it float but she doesn't so it's sort of like doubting your own sanity like is is Adrian. Dead is he the monster. Am I like that whole sort of psychological breakdown that you witness in in Black Swan? I think really came through here plus in that movie. It's heavily implied that she's in abusive relationship with her mother. So and I think there's another angle in which these two movies have that kind of coming around. Yeah I think that that's agree connection there and just to the point. I Love I saw Leonelli said something about you. Know How is important not to to show you? You know exactly what happened so that you just kind have to believe her. And I think that's such a smart way to approach. Especially you know to tie into the whole timeline. Me Too and everything like that and you know just you know you gotta you gotTa believe her that this is happening and then you know sure enough it is. I mean visible man in the movie but he is insane but yeah. I love that scene though that scene in the restaurant with the sister I mean I was just fantastic. Yeah yeah absolutely. I want to also grow fast before we get to your next piece. I want to circle back around to what we were saying about believing. Cecilia that in the end of the movie. I feel like the film does try and kind of bring that back around. Where when she when she kills Adrian the that you don't like I really respect offer doing this. I think that one hundred percent. We're supposed to believe that you know that Adrian was behind this that it was all gas lighting and it's all a big bruise that he put together from the beginning. But the movie never confirms it for you and I'd ride. I love that about it. Like there's there's always that little tiny like five percent seed of doubt but did he like what's that like. I don't think I think it's the movie is on Cecilia Side. But back that it doesn't clarify it there and doesn't have him say say something menacing as he's like gurgling his last breath. I really love that about it and I feel like if they do make a sequel to this. I feel like God has a thread that they pick up on that. Cecilia can kind of be haunting her. That she never one hundred percent God that closure if they wanted to go that route. I don't know if that would If at all tarnish the impact of this ending or would just be an extension of it. But that's just something I wanted to make sure I mention because I really thought that was a lovely touch absolutely. I completely agree with that So I will go with my next piece and I've only got two more at this point but my next one though so this first of all speak at ending you get that. That close in shot on Celia staring out at the camera immediately it was like. Oh my God. They're ending it exactly like every episode the handmaid's tale of course has Elizabeth Moss stuck in this this awful society where where she's getting treated just as absolutely horribly as could possibly be and then at the end of every episode she is possibly getting out of the situation and staring at the camera intently just really intense and And and that's every episode and so I totally. It's not like they're gonna end it just like that so there. She's an expert about at this point. Yeah that's her thing. I feel like I feel like we need. We need to end every Elizabeth Moss movie. That way you know it's it's just so what do you got next so I think just in the way they approached this character and the way. The film is technically a remake reboot. Whatever you WANNA call it of the nineteen thirty three but it's also kind of not at all. I really thought of and this is super recent foam but I really thought of joker and the fact that joker is a movie about the Joker. But if you change a few details it's not really about the joker at all and I feel like this is another example of FM that lower budgeted. That's more character focused. That is trying to say something about society about relationships about whatever you know. Mental Health and in both films actually ended up And sort of borrows a an established in order to get people to go to the theater to get that out there and I think it's touching back to what I said before about the way that this movie ends. It is sort of open to interpretation like you know whereas where does she go from here? Where does Arthur go at? The end of joker are both of those are probably GonNa get sequels but we have no idea what they're going to look like so I think just the way that they they take this this ongoing property and reinvent it re contextualize it and British prepackaged in such a completely different way just felt to me like we're I mean and obviously the the invisible man was in production before joker but like I wonder how many more now with these two movies. How many more projects we're going to see like that where it's you know it's a character or a brand that we know but not really recognisable in short any way shape or form. I love that. That's a really great piece. I think that's a great great comparison and I also think they were ever going to try to make a female joker movie Elizabeth. Moss would be a great candidate for that she would actually flash point. I think in the comics. I think that Martha Wayne becomes the joker and almost waiting. Yeah I seen the animated film and I think I read it eventually but yeah so in that Thomas Wayne is Batman because Bruce gets killed and then Martha Wayne becomes the joker. So there you go. Wbz If you decide to do that you who to call Moss. Yeah just just looking at the camera at the end and we're that's exactly how it has to every time and we we don't know if she's crazy or not so for my last piece. I am going to go with now. This is a little bit silly. But you know we. We've taught about how there's the the original original invisible man and then the so many things that have come since it that are that. Are you know just inspired by it or remakes of it or loose remakes of it and I just wanted to mention hollow man because I was hoping somebody would. It was going to me. I okay I understand this movie. It's a really bad rep but I was. I don't know I want to see fifteen when it came out maybe and I thought it freaking ruled time. I don't know I haven't seen it since I was a teenager. But I have very fond memories of that movie and I think you know even though this. This movie definitely wasn't going all in on the action. There's some there's some action sequences and whatnot. That are done really well. I mean Leonelli especially upgrade. I loved upgraded. Yeah to it he. He really can stay some really cool action sequences and he doesn't here too. But you know how a man really took that concept of this invisible manages really made it a really fun action film out of it and so I definitely think that there is a little bit of a nod to that as well. Yeah absolutely I mean and that was also a kinda blatant example of how can we do the invisible man in two thousand but like in a modern context not a period piece or anything exactly? Yeah let's let's let's do it and update it and see how it would work now right now. All right we got any other pieces. I did think of briefly. I did think of evil dead two just because those scenes when she's by herself and she thinks she might be hallucinating or any things like that. I noticed that an evil the two. That's kind of a running thing for throughout the evil dead trilogy. That Ashley the crazy stuff happened with no one's around and obviously in this by design just that kind of stylistic choice M- made me think of evil dead and then also we have a sort of attack billionaire or a millionaire whatever. He has in a really cool house on a hill with lots of glass near. I think it's even near water in this movie. Who's building these suits? So I thought of iron man three just because he's got the state of the art suits and all that and and his kind of need for it to survive. I guess and in both cases as well I just have to thank you for being the one to bring up the evil dead because everybody else when I bring up evil dead way too much on this show but I actually had thought of that in the theater and forgot to write it down because especially when she's breaking the pots on him and you know it's like ash breaking all the glasses on himself during the scene with the hand love it. That's obviously here. It's not for comedic effect but there's still very similar similar style and I think it into the whole unreliable narrator part of this is like well. We only see what she thinks is happening. Possibly and I think yeah. Yeah yeah good call. I'm glad we were on the same page with that. I love it all right cool. I'm going to do the finished puzzle and then we will get into any closing thoughts we had on the visible man so we have guy the mummy. That's of course. The the recent remake with the dark universe The Terminator Series Sleeping with the enemy X. Mocking The silence of the lambs annihilation gone girl. A quiet place. Don't breathe Black Swan the handmaid's Tale Joker Holloman evil dead to an iron man three movies too. Yeah I assure is a lot of really good stuff. It seems to be like a lot of what a high tech techy stuff in there. Yeah I think so but but no definitely a great list of Movies do you have any other thoughts that you wanted to mention about this one. I think this I actually was looking forward to this movie and I was hoping it would be good but I think it was actually better than I thought it would be like. It exceeded my expectations. And I think as we're going to do these classic monster movies in a modern context. I think this is probably as good of an invisible man movie as you're going to get without falling falling into the same trap of being really hokey or or feeling very dated or things like that and give it a find a social context for it underneath all of these characters. There's something very sort of primal about them that I think makes them terrifying and makes the has helped them endure. And I think you know dealing with fighting unseen force and well what is how is that relevant today having it be sort of a commentary on you know dealing with trauma dealing with abuse and dealing with the aftermath of that literally fighting an unseen demon. Either that was a really smart way to to bring this this brand back and as much as I love this as a self contained story I kind of do want to see what legal does with a sequel. Or you know maybe have this same team not in not necessarily the stars but like have the same cinematographer and L. and Jason Blum. Have them just kind of continue to tackle the different universal monsters? That way? Yeah I think that's yeah. I think we're kind of a mental running list of really strong horror filmmakers. The Jordan peels the Robert Eggers and people like that and I think I think after this one. I'm officially adding. We went to that list. Because this is probably as good as a horror movie as we've seen like it's up in the conversation with some of the best we've seen in the last few years. I think sure yeah I completely agree and I think it's interesting an interesting filmmaker because he brings in so many So many aspects like I said earlier his action sequences are fantastic. Yeah when he pulls them out and you know he definitely has a command of horror as well. I mean He. He's he's a very unpredictable. Filmmaker when you look at his photography I mean I. I don't like the insidious movies but other than that. I really like a lot of what he's done and It's it's very inch down. I'm looking forward to what he does. And I do. Hope that the The takeaway is more so to maybe let him spearhead another monster or something like that versus a sequel. But I mean I guess we'll see what happens and I I'm looking forward to it. Whatever it ends up being put it that way. Yeah absolutely so I think that does I think we covered the invisible man here. I do you have another movie. You Watch recently like to recommend to our listeners. Yes so just on a personal note. This Valentine's Day that just passed twenty. Twenty was actually had been with my wife for nine years so I thank you. Well like dating for nine years but together nine years so So I actually. We actually ended watching before sunset and that led into a coincidentally those movies take place every nine years the trilogy so I actually after that we we watch the whole trilogy. She had never seen it. So I went back and then finally bit the bullet and got the criterion collection before trilogy box set on Blu Ray and these movies just every time I mean. This is only the second time seeing them but they are such. They have such a profound commentary on time and relationships. And it's very meditative and romantic but also as they go along like realistically romantic like in in the third movie. It's not nearly as as cut and dried as as the young love of the first one. It's much more complex and I don't know if I'm assuming you've seen these phones at some point. Oh yeah they're they're fantastic. I've only seen each one once. But yeah they're they're really amazing movie. Yeah so being able to watch them again now. Having been in a relationship for just about as long as it takes between the first and second movie and the second and third movie I think it adds a whole new resonance for me. So people haven't seen those somehow definitely check those out and if you have seen them I would recommend getting the the BLU ray set. I think it's the only box that you can get with the three of them actually in the same collection so I would definitely keep an eye out for next time. Criterion has a flash sale or something and and pick those up. 'cause they're they're outstanding gray recommendation right there. Hey this has been great Robert. 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The songs called invisible and I can't think of a better track to play then visible on an episode about the invisible man. So let's play invisible. It's from my last album at different. Kinda dream and there is a music video that I have written for this. I like a whole script and I'm hoping to one day make it It's GONNA cost a little bit of money though so who knows what's going to happen but if I can make it happen. One day if I have a few grand ingests a disposable income that I want to spend for no good reason maybe I'll spend it produces video because I think it would be really freaking cool but You know we'll see if that ever happens. But there is new music on the way That's a little bit of a tease. 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Her Smell (Featuring Josh Bell)
"And. All right. Welcome to another episode of piecing. It together the podcast where we take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it and today on the show, we got a little bit of a weird one dark one. This is a movie called her smell from writer director, Alex Ross Perry. Starring Elizabeth moss as Becky something a grunge era rockstar who seems pretty much determined to Allie, Nate everyone around her, including some of the audience like myself, although co host Joshua bell. Absolutely loved this movie. I had mixed thoughts on it. I did like it. But it's a tough one. It's a tough one to watch. Not unlike a movie, we talked about last year called vox Lux, which I loved, and Josh didn't really love. But you know what? That is something we're going to get into in this conversation before we do get into that conversation. About her smell. I do. Wanna remind you as always to make sure you're subscribed piecing together on your podcast app of choice. And if you enjoy the show he can review on, I tunes that would be amazing. If you did that way. I'm sorry. It's not called tunes anymore. It's called apple podcasts. Screwed up again guy. But you know what to do go right interview that would be amazing did that you could also follow us on social media at piecing pod. And join our Facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces. So with that said, why don't we jump into this conversation about her smell? All right. Back with us is Josh bell, Josh. How you doing? Man. I am doing very well. How are you? I'm I'm good. I'm good things have been busy. But we're here, we're ready to do another piecing it together. Yes. Indeed. We are always glad to have you back today. We talking about her smell, and we'll most didn't do this one, but you were like let's do this one. I was like, yeah. Let's do this one. When I like I don't think we've actually talked about since you've watched it yet. We're keeping this fresh. Like you're, you're finding out when the audience is finding out, right? But for me at least I this is like one of my favorite movies of the year so far. So I definitely had recommended that you watch it and it's a shame that we never got it in theaters here in Las Vegas. Yeah. But it did come out on, on VOD pretty quickly, and including on, on hoopla, which I'll put in a plug for because that's an awesome streaming option for people with library cards. You can watch movies for free. Yeah. That's how we watched awesome. Yeah. It's good that it's good that hoopla around is that there's so many different things around, but I do wish it had been in theaters on, I think I'm a little a little more mixed on it than you. But at the same time is certainly something I enjoyed watching and glad to get to talk about it. Yeah. So what are we jump in? What do you got for your first puzzle piece? All right. Well, my first puzzle piece this might be a slight cheat because this is a movie that the director Alex Ross Perry has actually mentioned as a big influence on him. And that is Danny Boyle's Steve Jobs, his film, bio-pic, of course about Steve Jobs. The apple founder and the main thing about that movie that connects to her smell is the way that it's structured. So Steve Jobs is sensually three long sequences, each set at like a big sort of presentation or announcement event that Steve Jobs was involved with related to, to apple into his computer business. Mrs and sort of how those encapsulate his career. His relationship said, Sarah, and her smell is structured similarly, we've got I think it's five big sequences and not all of them are like backstage presentation sequences, I think, maybe three of them take place backstage, and then two of them are elsewhere. But it similarly structured in that it jumps ahead in time after each of these sequences, and it gives you kind of snapshots of the characters life. Obviously, this is a fictional character. But still, it's a movie her smell. I think that if you didn't know whether it was a fictional character or not. I think you could believe shows was a kind of an unconventional version of bio-pic, because it follows a lot of the similar beats, so it's interesting to me, I'm personally, I was not a huge fan of jobs, the movie, and I think it got a lot of mixed response. It was. Sort of touted or positioned as a big awards, kind of movie that never really made it there. It was interesting to me to hear a filmmaker like Alex Ross Perry. Who's this kind of weird icon, a classic indie filmmaker site that kind of clumsy awards bait movie as an influence, but he's an odd fellow. Alex Perry and has some interesting tastes, he wrote. I don't know if you saw he wrote a column for indie wire like a month ago or something about how much he loved the vendors endgame, and how it should be nominated for a bunch of Oscars. Nice. So he's a hard one to, to nail down, but he apparently the big fan of Steve Jobs, and I can see that regardless of whether you liked that movie or not. I think you can really see the influence here. Sounds like Alex Ross Perot really strong personalities. Maybe that's his thing. Maybe so, yeah, that could be there's definitely that Steve Jobs. Yeah. Yeah. For sure now that that's a good one. And I hadn't I hadn't seen that interview or whatever. But I, I could definitely see that comparison. No. Like I said, the strong personality thing you know, this is definitely a character that's kinda easy to hate. It makes it a little difficult at times. I think that's a thread, that's going to run through some of my puzzle pieces as well. But, but yes, Steve Jobs movie, I did like it. But is the movie that turned Gina off of movies like? Tireless. She aided that movie. She thought it was just the worst between that and pineapple express. So maybe she just doesn't like, Seth Rogan. And that was one of Seth Rogan's more subdued performances Steve Jobs, where he's kind of trying something a little more dramatic. Yeah. I think that's maybe the last time he did that. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. No, I think that's true. Well, I'm going to start off before I get into any, my movie, puzzle pieces. My first puzzle piece. I think the character like you said it feels almost like a real character. And I think I just wanted to mention a few of the artists or bands I thought probably inspired this band, and, and the character of Becky, something. Yeah. Yeah. And so some of those were axl rose of guns and roses, of course, Courtney love of hole, and Scott Weiland stunt up pilots fell revolver. And then L seven as well, but yeah, a lot of that kind of just kind of destructive rock that nineties style kind of thing and the kind of artists where, where the front person just must just be held must be such a pain in the ass. Must put the rest of the band, and the people within their life, just through nonstop just awfulness, you know, and of course, in the movie we get to explore some of why that might be why somebody might end up like that. But. Certainly those characters are people that we've all joked about a little bit, those real life characters. And I feel like this is kind of a continuation of that kind of character. Yeah, I agree the definitely the nineties thing. I think Courtney love is the one that people see shorter most in this character between the the nineties connection. And the fact that it's an all female group, but I think, again, this might be where I also read about Steve Jobs that Alex Ross Perry has said that actually axl rose was his main inspiration. Yes. Character. Yeah. And I can certainly see that as well. The ninety I love the ninety s aesthetic in this movie I feel like it's done incredibly effectively. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's certainly the era when I first started really getting into music, and all of those grunge type bands. I liked whole. I liked L seven bands like that. I don't know maybe like Ruka salt and other female fronted grunge band. There was a great article. I think it was in vulture where the designer who designed all of the fake album covers in the closing credits like they win. There's like twenty two of them, and they went down each individual one, and he talked about what his inspiration was for it, and where he of got the imagery from and how he was given direction or not giving direction by Perry as to what to create there. And it was really fascinating. So, yeah, I think those are all very apt Harrison's. Cool. What do you got for your next one? So my next pick is sort of a cult classic film. I guess you could say from I'm not sure what you're exactly. I think sometime in the mid eighties is called, ladies and gentlemen, the fabulous stains, which is another sort of, like fake rock bio pic. I guess you could say it was Diane Lane's big breakout role when she was like fifteen. I think and it's, it's not a great movie is one of those movies, that was like bungled on its release, and barely put out and for years and years was really hard to find. And I think built this big reputation in part, based on the inability of people to see it, and then. When it finally became more available. I don't know maybe for me. At least it was like a little underwhelming. But it definitely captures the that punk rock, sort of an archaic spirit, and Diane lane plays this character who's who's much younger, who's a teenager. But similar similarly has this attitude about screw everyone in everything, and I'm out for myself and kind of destroying everything in her path, and she's fantastic opens with this, great, like monologue of her speaking directly to the camera about her sort of nihilistic worldview, and she's got this great, I make up in this hair, and it's, it's really good in the movies a bit downhill from there. But it's a it's a fascinating Colt object, and I think I can see a lot of that. Diane lane character in, in Becky something in this movie. Sure. Yeah. I hadn't heard of that movie until I started looking up like review looking. For other rock music, you know movies. Yeah. And I found this one along the way but I definitely had never seen it before, never heard of it sounds. Well, you said it's not that good. It sounds interesting. It is interesting. Yeah. Several years ago. I did a thing on my site of month of rock Tober of music, rock music movies, and that was one that I included there that is me that maybe I wouldn't have otherwise watched was part of this project, and it was it's an interesting curiosity. Definitely. Maybe not a great movie, right on well, okay? My next puzzle piece. Movie that I'm pretty sure you don't like is called Birdman. We've talked about Birdman on this podcast. We have you have been part of Birdman conversations, so rather than going through the whole setup of what Birdman is. Because obviously, there's a lot of backstage stuff happening in this movie, which is a pretty easy comparison. The thing that I actually wanted to talk about was probably my favorite part of the movie aside from Elizabeth moss performance is the score. Yes. Outside of the songs the score is fucking maddening. It is really it will drive you, absolutely nuts. And as a composer, I really appreciated that and certainly the score of Birdman in kind of a different way can drive you nuts. But certainly the music in this film. It really it creates a tension that is very, very off putting and you kinda get the feeling that her character, maybe even hearing it like throughout. Very strange meadow way. You just it just it's the sound of crumbling psyche. And it's a very like weird thing with little bits of jazz, stabs and stuff like that. And a little Qatar pieces just kind of sewn into it. But yeah, it's a very, very interesting score. I should have written down the composer's name to you happen to know. Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with you on the fact that is interesting. And it's funny because as you say, I, I am not a fan of Birdman and one of the things I dislike the most about Birdman is the score because I just feel like it's completely distracting and inappropriate. And yet, I love the score in this movie in her smell, because I felt like it worked exactly alongside. Everything else the movie was doing. Yeah, yeah, and it does put you on edge. It is jarring and maybe off putting at times. But it's absolutely a reflection of this. Character who herself is. Abrasive and chaotic and unstable and all of those things. And I think the, the score the way the movie is shot the way that it's structured. It's all a reflection of this character's psyche is one of the things I really liked about the movie. Absolutely. Absolutely. And by the way, it's Keegan DeWitt, and I'm just looking up right now. And he did the music for the HBO show divorce, which I liked the music on that show. So, okay. Yeah. He's. I feel like he's written some original song. He wrote heartbeat loud, this really from that he's done a few original songs for movies where like the characters are musicians and write songs. And I've definitely seen his name pop up quite a bit indie, films and stuff like that. Very cool. All right. Well, what do you got next year next piece? All right. Well, my next pick is the Madonna documentary truth or dare, and obviously, there's tons of rock and pop music, documentaries about narcissistic stars and their backstage antics, and I probably could have picked something else. But I think first of all truth, or dare, is probably one of the most famous one of the most well known the one that people are most likely to have seen. And I think it very much captures diva behavior. I mean, it's a different kind of diva behavior Madonna's, not presumably strung out on drugs, and she certainly not a grunge rock star in, you know, a lot of it is, she's got her, but she's got her famous boyfriend, Warren Beatty, and she's complaining to him or whatever. And okay. The Dan Stevens character in this film is not quite he's no Warren Beatty. Right. But at the same time, you've got that dynamic, and this, this self involved famous musician and the put upon you know, romantic interest, who is just trying to tolerate her, and you'll with her as she's going through her her whole process, or whatever you wanna call it. And that's a movie where, of course, Madonna allowed herself to be shown that way, and I'm sure it was all very controlled, and any meltdown or argument or anything that they show in that movie was completely approved show her by her. Her. But yeah, I mean, I would imagine that because also as we said, this movie feels like it could be about a real person, I would imagine that, that Alex Ross Perry probably studied, a lot of these not only bio-pics but also documentaries about Rockstars and that kind of behavior. I've seen Darren quite a while, but I'm a big Madonna fan and I remember being amused. And entertained by it at the time. I ever saw that. I, of course, remember it this one of those movies, you know, from a long time ago that it just seems like I did. But I don't really recall. But it was like it was one of those things it was such a big movie at the time a music documentary that was a big hit is very rare. Yeah. Yeah. That was a huge thing at the time. Well, okay, I'm going to go onto my next puzzle piece. And so my next one is this movie. I think it, you know, the, the main attraction of the movie is a central huge performance by a pretty, you know, monstrous character who kind of, you know, just, you know, tears tears are way across every scene. You know. And so, I thought of there will be blood as my next puzzle piece, an example of a movie that centered on that, you know, that kind of a big huge character big performance. Just totally chewing up everything, you know, everything that comes across for entire two hours or along the movie is. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. And I can definitely see, especially in the later sequences of there will be blood, where Daniel plain view is kind of a recluse and his lost his. His fortune and all in all. And there's a lot of that in the in the later portion, or I guess the what is it? Maybe the fourth portion of this, where Becky is kind of isolated in her house and doesn't know if she's ever going to leave or perform again or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah. I could see that. I would love to see a remake of there will be blood. Starring Elizabeth moss. Daniel plain view. I would be amazing. I think if nothing else Elisabeth moss can do pretty much anything. I could see it totally see it. She's she's, she's a screamer. She is. She's she's amazing. And I think this is like you said, it's a big performance, and she's kind of chewing scenery, but I think it's that can easily be too much or be irritating or feel phony. And I didn't get that at all. I thought she was fantastic and did exactly what the character calls for all of these moments. I think she was fantastic. Character not so much. What were your next puzzle? Well, my next puzzle piece was speaking of Elizabeth moss. My next piece is Queen of earth, which is the previous collaboration between Elizabeth moss. And Alex Ross Perry, so, yeah, her smell is actually, the third movie they've made together. Right. They're very much strong collaborators and Queen of earth is one as opposed to previously, they did a movie. Listen up Philip where Liz with Moss's kind of a secondary character, but in Queen avert, she's another main star, and it's a lot more of a surreal sort of less straightforward movie than this one is, is about two friends who go kind of on a weekend, getaway and sort of their, their mental state, and their friendship kind of crumbles holy shit. I did see this. Yeah, I didn't think I had. And I'm just it's just coming back to me right now. I totally saw this. Yeah. And I, I mean, if you can't tell I like Alex Ross Perry, a lot dot for everyone. Clearly, but I think his movies are always interesting. And sometimes baffling and Queen of earth is, is both of those things. But again, it features a very strong intense performance from Elizabeth moss. I think he can bring that out of her very well. And I could absolutely see, I don't know if this is the case or not, but I could absolutely see after working together on that movie the two of them saying, let's craft something that allows her to just let loose overweigh leading into this movie. So, yeah, I recommend all his movies if you have tolerance for strangeness and characters who can be very abrasive. I guess I oh, it to myself to see the third one. Now that I've seen these other two. Yeah. They're definitely there. Difficult watches. Yes. Sure. No question about that. But yeah, no. I think that's awesome, though, that you know what you just said, there is probably exactly what happens. Like they just said, we love working together. Let's like let's come up with something that will let her just go nuts. Just go all out and this. That's pretty cool. Well, my next puzzle piece, and this is my last main puzzle piece in after this one. I will give poor Becky something a break. I wanted to bring up another movie with a kind of insufferable character that depending on your point of view. You may actually go along with and, you know, actually really enjoy her regardless and. Probably a lot of people disagree with me on this. But maybe not a lot of people, but lady bird was the next one I thought, oh, which. Yeah. Ladybird is a movie I that I did enjoy. However, the character of lady bird is somebody who I'm just like just stop, please just please stop. And that's kind of the same feeling that this character Vokes it's just kind of like. Like, what are you doing? You're just you're you're ruining everything, please. Please stop. Please. Let me continue watching this movie's, please calm down. But of course, it doesn't happen really. And until basically the end but. Yeah. I'm sure what do you think of lady Baru big fan lady lady bird a lot? I think I think ladybird as a character is less abrasive than Becky something. I mean, well, certainly I mean, he's got the whole punk rock energy and all that stuff. So I mean, certainly lady Burma be less obey. She's still, I think kind of just annoying. You know, I mean, I guess I never found lady bird annoying as a character. I think you can watch that movie and realized she is very self involved, and maybe she's making poor decisions or treating people around her unfairly, I never found her annoying, as, like a presence in that movie. And I think what's fascinating about that movie is that it's willing to give you this character. Who is wrong about a lot of things and go with that. So, yeah, I like lady bird a lot. And I, I mean is ladybird likable as a character, maybe not? But. I think she's fascinating character. And I never felt annoyed. There's definitely movies where the lead character is meant to be sort of an unpleasant person. Sure. And I'm just like shut up go away. It's unpleasant to watch, but and I think that's bad. I don't I like movie where maybe the lead character is, is an unpleasant person. But you're fascinated watching, what will this person do next exact? And I felt that way about Becky something I can see how people would not have would have lower tolerance than I did. But yeah, to me that's the key difference. And I never felt annoyed by lady bird as a character. I was always interested to see her, and I totally agree with you on that. I would say that. That's why Mabel to watch and enjoy both of these movies that I'm talking about here. But yeah, it's just more. So the character themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense that definitely makes sense. You could see lady bird growing up into Becky something she got a punk rock phase or something. Yeah. Yeah. Totally unfiltered. Nobody tells her no. Yes. What do you got for your next puzzle piece? All right. So my next piece is really related, and we were mentioning a little bit the fourth section of this movie where Becky is kind of a recluse, and she's in her. Mansion or whatever kind of not seeing anyone and made me think of Gus fans last days, which is a fictionalized account of the end of Kurt Cobain's life, and is very much about this rockstar, who is isolated in this sprawling yet empty mansion and is adrift, of course, that movie leads to suicide whereas Becky her story has a more hopeful ending or even though it's a little m big you ass- you could argue at the end of what, what that really means for her life going forward, but she certainly doesn't end by killing herself. But, but that sequence, especially where she's just in those depths of despair, even though in this movie follows her having gotten sober. But still, you get the impression that sequence that almost that getting sober was was terrible for her, right? Then maybe they didn't help her and it just made things worse in her life. So, you know, this is another movie. It's been a long time since I saw this movie and I am not a fan of it. It was during that, that Gus van Zandt period where he made, I think three movies that were all about just like characters kind of like walking around not saying anything for very long periods of time. But I think it actually has turned out to be a pretty influential film, in the way that it depicted, rockstar and maybe a gave certain filmmakers, the freedom to do something a little more meditative or contemporary with a fictional story or with the bio pic. So I can see that coming into play here. Sure absolutely. And I thought of that at one point while while coming up with my pieces, but I haven't seen it since it first came out, and I honestly it didn't leave that big of an impression on me like like you said, and I didn't really I don't remember it very well. So I didn't wanna bring it up. But, but yeah, absolutely. And it, it certainly it certainly, does, though, take a look at Rockstars in, in that more contemplative way, kind of the polar. Opposite of something like a bohemian rhapsody or that, you know. Yeah. Right. Well, like I said that was my last puppies, but I do have something I was going to bring it up after. But I might as well bring it up. Now, just almost as a puzzle vigneault, certainly, too new to have really been one. And that is a movie we disagreed on figured you mention. That is a movie called vox Lux came out last year. And yet that is a similar. Similar premise to begin with of a very difficult rockstar. A difficult to watch movie, a movie that really just kind of in a ways daring you to like sit through it and witness all of this, this, this person has created for themselves in their life, and what this life has turned into of just, just anger, and sadness and pain and, and. To me for whatever reason vox Lux, works more for me than it did for you. We did a whole second episode talking about all the reasons I loved it me. And one of the co host Chris crane. But I suppose we could do a whole second on her smell. There's that much to talk about about this movie. I'm sure that movie came to mind for you is absolutely. And like you said, there's no way it could have been an influence there, probably be made around the same time. But clearly there's a whole trend of these movies about these difficult female rock or pop stars tween vox looks and her smell and the recent remake of a star is born there was teen spirit with L fanning, which I don't think either of us have seen that. No. I was on my way to see it, and I needed gas. And it just never happened. Yeah. That happens sometimes, and there's another one coming out. I think in a month or two called wild rose. I heard, yeah. So, so this is something this is a trend of some kind. Yeah. Definitely. And certainly her smell is part of that trend. I did not like FOX walks, I think that goes to the idea of the abrasive protagonist, who I didn't watch. To watch. It wasn't interested in what she was gonna do next. I was just completely irritated with her and wanted her to go away. The trick is to just focus on Jude law. The whole time. But yeah but it has. I would imagine that there are similar influences on both of these, I think they come from similar place. Yeah. And I think both of those filmmakers are have a tendency to make movies that are off putting the audience and would probably take pride in that happening is it's, it's an interesting. Interesting idea to combine, something as joyful as popular music from both of these John, Richard fairly similar genres with such difficult subject matter really when it comes down to what they're actually putting on screen, right? And I mean, vox looks takes on a subject matter that is larger Jen music and musicians. And which to me was another thing that just did not work at all about that movie. Whereas her smell is very much focused on things that typical things that you expect or hear about with musicians the drug addiction, and the infighting with the band members and manager, who takes their money and things like that. So maybe it's more traditional in that sense than vox Lucks, but I feel like it was, I was able to buy into it. More versus vox, locks where in addition to the character. Driving me crazy. I feel like every moment I was like this is this is this is nonsense. I don't believe this first second. So I don't need to re rehash that movie. I didn't like I'll just say before we move on. I'm team vox lox. However, the music the songs in her smeller better something she is a better band. Yes. That way, I think so to go on with your next bus. So, well, my last one, and this kind of is just piggybacking on a little of what we mentioned is a star is born, particularly the nineteen seventy six Barbra Streisand version, obviously, like vox Lux the current version. The more recent version wouldn't have been an influence is that would have been made around the same time. But I think that seventy six version with Barbara Streisand, which is the first one that shifts the story to the music industry from the film industry, which is what the previous versions had been about gets to that idea. Of the bigness of being a rockstar, the idea of being like offered everything that you could want, and it still being just like hollow, and unpleasant. And Streisand is very abrasive in that movie in a way that I think she's not meant to be right. And I think that's that is easily the worst version of a star is born. But the character of I think is, is still Esther is the name of the character in that movie is closer to, to Becky, something than any of the other versions of a star is born. She's a bit more self involved a bit more inconsiderate of people around her, even though, of course the way those that story goes in those movies. She's not the most self destructive one, it's the, the male character. Kris Kristofferson in this case, who ends up being more self destructive, but you can see some of that in the way he's portrayed to and his character. Of course, is the one who starts out. On kind of the tail end of his fame, and you can see that with Becky, something here, this movie starts after. They've kind of started to decline. We don't see the height of something. She we see the end. It begins at the end of their career. And that's something that we get in a star is born as well. So, you know, he'd seen these love it or hate it the newest star is born, and this is a total aside, but I think of any movie that shows the, the destructiveness of that rockstar lifestyle. It makes it look a little cooler, I think a little less awful, even if you do end up hanging yourself in your garage. Yeah. No, I like the new star is born. I think the Streisand version, like I said is the worst of them all and I think the new one is a lot better. But. The Streisand one is is weirdly. I think maybe the most influential, including on the new version, they take a lot from that one more so than the previous two. Sure. Well, I think we're at our finished puzzle, and let's do this, and we'll get into any final thoughts guy, but the finish puzzle for her smell includes Steve Jobs. True life stories of destructive artists and bands, which is not a movie. That's ladies and gentlemen, the fabulous stains, Birdman Madonna's, truth, or dare there will be blood Queen of earth ladybird last days. Vox Lux, not really puzzle piece, but, you know, and a star is born. So that's our finished. Causal. You have any final thoughts on her smell. I mean I liked it a lot. Like I said earlier, I thought it really worked for me. And I can see how it wouldn't for some that elements that I liked a lot about it, including the abrasiveness of the character, and the style the way just keeps you on edge the whole time the score and the camera movement. And which we were talking about before. Elizabeth Mazas amazing in this movie, and she should get it like an Oscar nomination, which will never happen because nobody saw this movie. But she's just absolutely fantastic. And I hope more people see it like I said, it's available on hoopla, if you have a library card, I assume it's available on various other VOD services. If you want to pay four bucks, which is totally worth paying for. And yeah. As of right now. I mean we're not quite halfway through the year. But this is in my life top five for twenty nine hundred. I really liked it right on I, I like I said, there are things about it. I really liked, of course that performance at the center of is just fantastic. I can't deny that whatsoever. And I talked about the score earlier which I think is really great. And there's other things about I really like to. I didn't love it as much as you did. But overall, I definitely think it's a movie that people should check out. Especially if they're open to, you know, kind of difficult watches. Yes. It should have that disclaimer before that. Yeah. That's true. It's not it's not for everyone does. Definitely true. Absolutely. Well, Josh do you have anything else you watched recently? You'd like to recommend. Yeah. We'll speaking of things that are abrasive and not for everyone. I watched the perfection on Netflix, which is a very strange and aggressive kind of film from Richard shepherd who's made all sorts of different. He's kind of a checkered career. But it very much. We could do a great episode on this. I think because it's got a lot of interesting influences. Brian depalma park. Chan wouk and is just a crazy weird asked movie with very intense performances from Allison Williams and Logan Browning. So it's on Netflix. Of course, there's a million movies on Netflix at all times and a lot of them they get lost in the shuffle. But I think lake with her smell, if you are open to semi abrasive strange viewing experiences and you don't mind some extreme violence checkout. The perfection on Netflix. I like extreme violence sometimes. All right. Right on. Well, do you have anything you'd like to plug? Well, of course, we wanna plug the brand new podcast. Yes, we are starting co hosted by myself and Jason Harris who has been an occasional guest here on piecing. It together that podcast is called awesome movie year. And it's going to take on the movies of different year in each kind of mini season. I guess we could call it. We're starting with the year nineteen ninety four. So we're going to look at twelve different movies from nineteen ninety four from the best picture winner, and the top movie at the box office to some of our personal picks and future classics, and things like that. So I hope people will check it out. And Dave is the producer and occasional contributor as well. And that is launching on July third July. Third. Absolutely. And you guys will be able to check that out. We'll have. In the in the show notes, and everything, and we'll probably drop a little episode as a little bonus thing, just so that way you guys can get a taste of it as it's a, as it's starting to come out, but we will send you all the links and all that stuff y'all could check that out. So Josh as always, thanks for being here. And let's do it again, really soon. Let's we're doing another movie with moss. Coming up here we are. Welcome to the world's first podcast. Well, the first one, they've done gas money pictures presents filmmakers, on a podcast for filmmakers by filmmakers about the ever changing media, landscape, each Thursday. Host Jay Horton, and Sean Alden. Read speak to a media insider about their journey through the industry and have survived without going crazy segments. Like, what are you watching media roundup and it's your turn? Give Jay and Sean, the opportunity to do their favorite thing, discuss. What's going on in movies TV and media and mainly disagreed? Filmmakers on is available on your favorite podcasting app, or WWW dot filmmakers, on dot com and check them out on social media at filmmakers on. All right. I hope you enjoyed that conversation about her smell. And if you've got that little hint at the end of the episode we are in fact doing an episode on us this week. Yes, we're finally doing an episode on us. It's been a long time coming trying to get it scheduled for ever since it was back in the theater, but we just couldn't do it. But now it is out on VOD. I think as at the time that this episode goes up the her smell episode. I'm talking about. So that means now that you're done listening to this. You can go rent it and watch it. If you've never seen it before, and get ready for Friday. When us episode goes up, which is again going to be with Josh bell. So I hope you guys looking forward to that. And of course, if you are subscribed to piecing it together, on your podcast app of choice. It's just gonna download that episode assumes. It's up there so you should go get subscribed. That would be really cool. And if you subscribe on apple podcasts, you can rate and review and give us five stars. And let us know what you think of the show that would be amazing. If you did that. So what else can you guys do? Oh, yeah. You can. Follow us on social media at piecing pod. You can join our Facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces and. Yeah. That's enough things to tell you guys do for today. We'll tell you to do more things on Friday. But I do real quick before we finish up the show. I want to just thank you all so much for listening and the continued support. We've been getting so much great feedback on the show lately. A lot of people out there listening and just, you know, they actually are enjoying this show. And I really appreciate that. I think it's just so awesome. And makes it worthwhile because this show has really grown into something much bigger than I expected it to be and combined with now producing the awesome movie year podcast, which is coming July third. There's another plug for that. But and the Byrd road podcast and then everything I do with music, the pups album's coming real soon. It's been a busy time. But all this stuff as long as people are listening. That makes me happy. So thank you for being out there listening. So with that let's leave the piece of my music as I always do. And I was trying to look for something a little more rockstar. Not not a lot of my music is very like rock rock. But this piece is very good. Tar driven, so thought it would be a good one is called last kiss, and it's from my album and unseen sky. And, you know, I don't think I've mentioned this before the show. But if I've ever played this track before, but there is a music video for this one. I really really wanna make even though this album's to Albuquerque ago already eventually, I'm going to get some money together in a team together and make this video. I think it's just such a cool concept at something that I came up with myself. And I I love and I want to see it happen. So hey, if you're filmmaker and you're listening to this. You want to collaborate on something cool getting touched with me. Let's, let's, let's make are really cool dark, but beautiful video. All right. So this is called last kiss. And it's.
29 - Bruce Miller (The Handmaid's Tale): A Stuck at Home Special
"From media. Welcome to another special edition of Hollywood and scripted stuck at home. I'm Jenny Curtis in today we are talking to the show. Runner of WHO's dystopia. Be Drama. The handmaid's Tale Bruce Miller Bruce. Thank you for joining us. It's my pleasure to be here now. Things have started to open up a bit. which is an issue all on its own, but we do like to check in a bit. How are you doing? How did quarantine tree you're? How is it treating? You treated me very well. Well thank you I feel very lucky. I have all my children are home some with girlfriends, and so it's a very very very busy house, and I just feel incredibly lucky and mostly we've been working pretty much. The same as we always do just the zoom, the writers we've worked together for a long time since I was a fairly easy transition, but exactly your question which is everybody's also dealing with real life, and that's probably a bigger issue before we get into what you guys. Guys are working on. Let's start at the very beginning. So when did you start writing? When did you know you wanted to be in the industry? Well, my dad is ten. Generally in the industry is on the technical side, and so I always grew up knowing a lot about how movies were made physically, but not really much about the kind of story side of things because he sold lighting equipment to directors of photography, and so you don't mean many writers when you're in that, House I. I always wrote I think the time I knew I. Really was stuck. Being a writer was I, was in college, and I took writing classes every semester, and then there was dismissed right in take one, and I was like a well. It felt like I was in school. I wasn't doing. I wasn't doing any work so then. I was like okay I'm screwed. I have to I. Basically have to either be a writing class or or be a writer for ever in the same cheaper. So, did you major in writing at school I wrote a lot in college. They had a program in fiction. They didn't have any program in television writing or or or screenwriting at that point, so I wrote a lot of fiction when I was in college, and in high school and I didn't really right, although I was much more of a movie Fan and TV Fan than I was a book Phantom I'm fairly to very dyslexic so I read incredibly slowly some very thinly read. Not widely, read but movies. You know you could always. Telling you story, so that was always easier for me to kind of by sack, but I wrote when I was in college. I wrote a screenplay I wrote my first screenplay when I was a senior in college. That actually got me every job I got for like twelve years. Wow, was that people had? Shocked as anybody else, but that's. Did that get made. Oh No! You know the future world. So then you've got your foot in the door. You've worked on some major shows many of them though you were producer on, but you would come in. either. After the show had started or leave before the show was finished, so is that because you were kind of searching for something, or is that kind of the nature of the game to do a few seasons of a show, and then move on? It was the nature of my game, and I think everybody's game is really different. That was just because I didn't succeed anywhere I mean people were very. Very nice and I got jobs and I contributed, but I didn't really kind of become an integral part of a staff until I found the right fit. It's just a function of the image of kind of a writer sitting at home, and they bring the projects, and they look at them, and then they decide what they're gonNA. Do people have mortgages in kids in school? And I was working writer and I cook jobs. And when the jobs went away, I got other shops, but mostly I got fire. I mean not in a mean way, but but like not working out and. It took me a long time. I think I'm more suited to the job. I, have now than that job than I had before so having been fired. has there ever been a time where you were kind of standing on the Ledge of quitting? Or did you always press forward after that quitting what I'm doing, yeah. Yeah, I mean. I think that there were I went through very long periods of time, where after making money for years and years steadily I would have you know months and months or A year of where I wasn't working and that's terrifying. Especially when you do mortgage children in school, I'm incredibly lucky like most people who have skin my color that I'd never had to worry about being on the street because my parents had money and not a ton, but they had enough that I wouldn't be holding on the street, so I never really felt scared that way, so I had a a way of staying in for longer keeping my foot in the pool, but it's kind of one of those things that you don't really have a choice at a certain point, because it's what you are more than what you do, so you could go job. You're still going. Going to be a writer, but yes. I went through periods where where I definitely was like okay. What am I going to do? Instead of this is this is working out and everybody goes those things. I've been doing this a long time I. came out to La to be a writer like two weeks after college. It just takes you know. Patients is the rarest of commodities in Hollywood suggests be patient, and you will achieve much more than if you are scattered your early projects from what I can tell you did a lot of TV movies and films, and a lot of them seem to be very female, focused or dealing with assault or women who were strong. Of what you've been passionate about since the beginning. Yes, I don't know if it's passionate. It just is my I feel very comfortable at I'm fascinated by strong women. I have three very strong sisters. I grew up in house without boys me and my three sisters, and my mom so I think that they're really responsible for the fact that I'm much more comfortable kind of talking thinking exploring the issues of women in their lives than some people, just because I happen to grow you not just know them grow up with them, and they're all very very different than little buried very intelligent, but you know it is funny when you look back on all this stuff because. Because I really do think that writing strong realistic grounded female characters is something I've always loved to do, and I, don't really notice until you just say you. Look back over your working like, but I've also been indulged a lot by women in my life. Help very kindly explain what I'm doing wrong when I read about women, and so I have learned long way everybody from Yellen Chang who worked with me on E. R. and D. Johnson Arena Mamoun and then kind of now. Just you you really have to be. You have to be open to really failing big and have people around you. Who will who will gently say? You failed big and not be insulted. Say, hey swing again. Do you have any examples of lessons you had to learn? That way woke up like every single day. I mean what are the biggest things on this show that was in season one. We had a story about female genital mutilation. A character was a lesbian. She was having relationship with someone and we didn't want that, so they did it to take away her sexual desire and when I came up. Up with the idea and I brought it up to the room. It was withering in terms of the discussion, not not necessarily don't do it, but we worked at it for a long time, and I think everybody spoke very honestly about what it means at all sorts of stuff and also a lot about how graphic it was whether we show it or not. What do we show nothing? We don't even say it. But the result of that was really when we sent it to WHO AN MGM! They okay no-one bumped in. That was because it had been assaulted by the women in my office. The idea had been pounded. And I think that in the end the only thing that would have allowed it to stand up is having it be rewritten and refocused and challenge by the smart women I have working. You have a writer's room. That's majority female. I think you've seven out of ten writers are female but they do out of kind of the work so. What is that atmosphere like? Though because Gilead is a heavy place, so I imagine the writer's room must be very heavy at times almost never it is the most remarkable thing that you've ever seen one of our consultants a UN employees sometimes when she's in town uses office in our offices in consults with us about the UN. And she says it's just shocking if anybody knew how the heels of laughter. Laughter coming out of the writer's room. It seems so in Congress, but I actually think it's a function of how heavy the material the room is supportive and funny Ed knows how to kind of diffuse tensions, but also have to very comfortable in a room, not just talking about yourself, having those things challenged and interrogated not a bad way, but it only does. He was certain amount of good for. For someone to tell you a story for you to understand, you have to ask the brushes. The battery of these stories are sexual assaults stories, sexual harassment stories, just terrible things that happened people's eyes problems with her husband. Whenever and you have to know you're surrounded by people who are not asking questions period reasons that they wanna know because they are curious because they are writers because they need to. To know for the show, and you never feel like they're poking into your personal life, and that's a level of comfort that I think allows people to not feel like when you're talking about all this terrible stuff that you can't make a joke and the set is the same way by the way lizzy sets an example Elizabeth Moss example everybody follows. It's shocking. How much of a seventh Grade Giggle? And, so we're very lucky in that way that that we have a very heavy show by a wonderful joyous working environment, I think that's important to discuss the handmaid's tale again starting at the beginning, how did it come into being I? Had read the book when I was in college. Actually strangely enough in a new fiction class, which tells you how long ago? That was really like and I loved as a book. It was really one of those books that taught me a writing style that I wanted to emulate, and so as I said before I'm very dyslexic, so I tend to read the same books over and over again so i. read the book a Bunch of times over the years and I always loved it and every time I read it. I thought this really is this is. This is the time where it's the most pressing this time. Where every time you read your like a Ha- Margaret Atwood. Really put our finger on. So smart and such a witch that she can put her finger on any time because I'm sure she travels to those and I heard they were making a TV series out of this is very early on in my career, and I lean shaken, had the rights, and she was making it at showtime, and I was a fan I was just oh, island, Jake I mean. She's spectacular writer and show runner I was already to sit down and watch showtime court, but it never came back. You know it never appeared in so I would check every year with my agents and they just. Just look around. See where it is, and you know Kismet out of work. When they were looking for a showrunner, showtime had sold it to to check in was doing empire quite handily didn't have time to do it. So there was an opportunity they were looking for a woman and I was completely on their side except I wanted the job so I didn't know what to do that situation. You know it's like a hundred percent, agree with you, but in this case I would really like so I waited and waited and waited patiently and I know. They spoke out of people and. and then they very kindly invited me into pitch, and it was, it was very nice thoughtful of them to do it so I went in I pitched what I thought of the story, and and it kind of went very easily, and comfortably by I think because I I was a longtime thinker about this, not shorttimer. I had really thought about what kind of show this would make. Just as it was always one of those things that even reading I was like. Oh my God. It tickles such a visual funny bone in me, so you know I had thought about it allows the. The thing you don't get when you're called into adapter project is time, and I liked a much more time than most people I mean. The time that I had to think about handmade tells just about right for me, so like thirty years is probably a good solid number, so then being a fan of the book for that Long. What was it like to meet Margaret? Atwood or a fine, not only that I have to meet her, but before I met her, you can imagine this. They sent the first two episodes that I had written to her to see what she thought. That, was a nice weekend. I didn't go to the bathroom that we can. You Imagine I mean it's like? Margaret out here, read this, and so it was awful I mean it was terrifying. She really liked them. She had a question about what what what carpet muncher meant. Wasn't second. So luckily she goes that I didn't have to explain although I did say that email frame forever for Margaret Atwood you and then I went up to Toronto and I met her, and she has gone out of her way to treat me like a writer like a colleague, and that has been the secret to the success of the show. And I really culture as my friend. She's lovely and funny and smart and a pleasure, and we get to see each other a lot, so she's very involved in the show I mean I'd love to be more involved with the three of us are not nearly as busy as she hits like all put together so I'm always trying to squeeze more I matter her, but we get a good chance to talk a couple of fences in a really long chat, and so you know I. I feel like she is not only the mother of the project, but you know kind of the ongoing caregiver. Last year she released the testaments, and that's the sequel to handmaid's tale, and so you both had to kind of work together as to not contradict each other. Is that correct? Yes, which even hearing that out loud is so shocking to me that I that you know that there was any time I was in any way beautified as collaborating with Margaret our, so she was writing, and and we talk, and it was very funny. Musil's very general things like she call him go, okay, don't kill this person and okay, and because in TV we do a lot more of that stuff casually I'll make a change in a script, and then just in the office will say. Say the next three people right by the way I killed this person, so you can't use or something. It's all done very casual, and you work together to make sure everything flows, Margaret had never worked with anybody before, but she had worked with a writing staff lots of she knew kind of how things changed in worked, and how they bounced route so I think that that was done for her. She could bounce off me like it was the right staff you know. She had written episode one I had written out so to in the middle, and she was writing episode so in that way it was a very comfortable relationship for me. Shocking comfortable I mean. Mean I just never expected to be comfortable and she had very few requests. She was a big fan of the show where we were going to show. She was happy to kind of fit her puzzle piece into mine, but honestly when you're adapting classic when Hamid's town most of the time, the author is long gone, and certainly they're not reading books that cover the same ground again. Basically you know she's saying you started here and now I want you to end here because I'm GonNa. Pick up the ball, and so it's it's hilarious. It just makes it so much harder and it was so hard to begin with, and I was so terrified of screwing it. It up and then she's like Oh. Here's something where you could screw up. Be Been Very lucky on the show I think the people who liked the book like the show. which was really what I was trying to do because that was me. They're not uncomfortable. With the fact that there are differences in those two universes. It's not cannon once a novel in it's certainly a novelist that desserts built her own world, and I'm building. What I hope is a nice little set of DVD's to sit on the shelf between the two books, so they add something, but you know you are kind of doing Oliver Twist. The series and Oliver Twist is going to be. Be Around on your series at the end of season one. That's the complete book of the handmaid's tale, and then you kind of depart into your story and Margaret has said that the characters really should have been killed by now in that world. They're getting more outspoken. They're growing a lot, but also that that's not really possible in TV. Because you need your characters to stay alive so that you can tell a story. So how do you navigate that? In keeping true to the world, you're building, but also making sure your characters are growing. It's very difficult to mortgage right in one way, but in the other way I. Think a lot of times especially this book. Book has a particular construct that allows you to believe exactly. What on Selig is this is a story told in retrospect, so you know. She survived by definition because the handmaid's tale exists the handmade lasted long enough to tell that tale, so yes, but with the construct of the show the fact that it is a story, told in retrospect, a collection of tapes that someone found the fact is we know she lives till that point so in terms of off, read the conceit of the show, and I'm not GonNa Break Ins. This is her story. She lived to tell it and she's not gonNA. Die before she gets. It may be unlikely that you live, but. But almost all stories that come out of a situation like that that are as singular notables. This would be the story of someone who did something unusual on survivor. You know that you wouldn't be the normal skirts, so she's right. They would be killed. We're trying to stay true to the world. What I try to do is make sure that more often than not i. just do it. You know if someone should get punished. Their punished I mean everybody is protected their fertility more at times than others because fertility rates are going up and down, but I have to get some buy in from the audience in order to continue and not pass the baton to. To another group of actors and I would rather not do that. I feel like the big thing in TV is. You're very connected to these people know there's a difference between TV and movies. TV's in your house. You're bringing those people in your house. It's very different. I think it's harder to change your point of view and your guide in the TV show you can. You can have a movie with a horrible anti year. You'll spend more than two hours with, but June. Osborne's holding your hand for years. You have to make some concessions so that so that she retains her position as Your Guy I. Think we all like inviting Elizabeth Moss into our house. I surely like she's delightful. How did you find her? How did she come on board? and has she affected the development of June pay at the end I? Absolutely one hundred percent in a zillion ways, and I'll talk about the, but of course it's the great benefit of television which is in a movie. You write a script you give to someone else, and then you see it and go. Wow, okay. They didn't really have chemistry, but in TV, you watch the day's work and you go those to people chemistry. Let's get together and for whizzy. is a spectacular professional. She's been doing it a very long time. She could not be a better number. One on the call she in terms of professionalism and welcoming other actors. Jews also EP on the show, and does that job in total in folks. She's done it from the beginning, and she didn't want it to be a title and I. Wanted To help and we work very wealthy, so I think that lizzie would say that. June inspires her in her real life I've heard her say. Say? That could be more brave, but I think it's the other way around I think what is lizzy comes out in you because I get to know whizzy and you just the way someone goes to the world and thinks talks and how their jokes are. lizzy is is a very strong positive force in the universe, very very intelligent, very committed, and all those things have become more like June. June has grown I. Taking on pieces of Lizzie. I feel like more than the other way around. By the way she's one of my favorite people and everything you hear about her. Is True Times thousand. She's she really is a great collaborator. I feel very lucky so much of the show is told in imagery and reaction you see June or offered or whatever her name is at the time. Of, Joseph Joseph she will walk into a space and you'll just let her look at the space for minutes on end, and it's so effective, and it's rare that that's something that happens in TV. Because you really have to go, go go most of the time. Yeah, I like slower stories. Our show is scarier when it's slow anyway because there's a looming. Down something terrible going to happen so every time anybody pauses. You'RE NOT GONNA. Keep moving. The. After go, there's always that she doing, but it was something I put in the pilot script. One of the things I really wanted was kind of have a case. In part of it is because the character is free to speak so a lot of her in conflict is June versus offering like off, read has to be quiet and offered has to keep is donor offered can't be snarky and offered. Can't roller is but June wants to do all those things, so you've got June saying to offering? Why are you such a fucking win? Why don't you stand up for yourself and then offered saying June. You're going to get US killed. Shut up! So it's really that conflict, and that's why you can have all that silence is you're seeing those things? Fight each other. You're seeing her. She wants to be June jaunts to go crazy doing this, but she has to be offering. Yeah, just offered so I think that that that that's why silences working like newbies. Those kinds of things dialogue is just another action like running or punching her making love her kissing or anything. It isn't what they say that matters as much as the fact that they're doing. It's like if you punch someone in the. The face. That's an action. If you say I am here, that's an action. It's not necessarily means. Hi. I'm here on our show. I would say comically ninety percent of the things that people stare absolutely the opposite of what they mean less. It'd be the fruit. They don't mean like a morning. They actually mean I would like you to drop dead right now, but they're saying morning, so it's it's one of those shows and bet that's one of the things that he and I work very well together I write incredibly spare scripts and she likes. A moment of your time. A new podcast. From Kurt come media. Currently, twenty one years old and today like magic extended from her fingertips down to the. Yourself because the world needs you and you. To that asked about me was ready to spit on my drinks. Seniors were facing. Feel like your purpose in your worth is really being stopped me from. She buys. walkie-talkies wants to whom she should give the second. Humans we never did we never. Will we just find? Rock climbing is that you can only focus on right now. And so are American life begins. We may need to stay apart, but let's create together available on all podcast platforms submit your piece Kirk. Oh Dot com slash a moment of your time. Only. So season three appears for the first half that June has snapped, and she has no nobody at the beginning. You think Oh my God she really is kind of a beaten thing at the beginning that it clicked so much for me when they were in the hospital, and the doctor said to her. You're not homicidal your suicidal. She didn't even know that's what she was doing. That gave me chills. One line ties your whole series together. Yeah, what are the things about not having watched I walk? Walk is a piece of dialogue can be very thoughtful, and that they cause June to ponder them for a while kind of dangle him out there. The doctors doesn't save very many things to her, but that's the one thing that lands I like the senior. She puts her hand in the sharps box to try to get something out chickens out with the needle, and then she puts her hand back in. That's like okay. That's crazy, I after you put your head and get the needles literally sticky. So that to me is like okay, and then after about when someone says no, no, you're suicide you. makes. And then, on the other side of character, who is more reserved, but trying to come to terms with it is emily who's landed in Canada and Oh my God I cry every time there's a scene with her. I do to split Dell was fantastic. ladele is is an astonishing actress at the peak of her skill. It's such a thing to watch because like you said she is very subtle, and it is very very quiet, but wow I mean I'm blown away every single time, and honestly the first day she was working the very first academic. She's not doing anything. This isn't gonNA cut. Cut Together, and then you watch it. You're completely wrong. She's completely right. Look at that. That's tastic. It's so subtle. It's so much about her posture and the head of the the sound of voice and everything she's remarkable, and per characters drawn from the fact that she's a scientist. She's a molecular biologist, so she sees the world in very very different way, and it's funny, compared to her character on Gilmore girls whose very talky. This character in very much reminds me of academic is like she's super duper smart. She's a little slow to get a joke. You know she's not in humorless. Slow and kind of her emotional life she holds it very close. In which method out sometimes she shatters. It's a magical performance. It really is and cleared of all comes in once in a while to play or wife the two of them together. I I find it so convincing and in season three. That story is pretty remarkable. When you had originally started writing this, it didn't reflect society as much. Is it suddenly did moments later act started to right before the election in? In Two thousand sixteen before the primaries, so before anybody was in the race. I didn't know who is going to run. And then suddenly it felt incredibly relevant. Are you following that path? 'cause talking about emily being a refugee and there was the scene with all of the women in cages. Is that a reflection of our society or is that following the story? It's always following the story, but I think you're influenced by society just because we have a very news junkie. JUNKIE GROUP CAST crew writers everybody so I think you can't help but be kind of influenced by that. The two things first of all I think it goes back to the contract that Margaret built at one of the things that makes the show so prescient is that she's fictionalized in a way that she caps on a bunch of things that are going on and continue to go, you know and so I, think that unfortunate way Misogyny, racism rape obsessive. Ross, masculinity and And all of those things are perennial problems so I think that that's why kind of seems consistently relevant. Do Anything in terms of trying to predict or come up with. We don't even think about the stuff that's happening sometimes when they shoot. If they're shooting in, something actually has occurred. We sometimes look at those visuals. Have Influence you by the rule of thumb for the book was that Margaret didn't put anything into it. That wasn't happening to women or didn't happen to. To women at some point, straighten, we have the same thing in mostly is almost all what's happening to women now, but you know we're not in the business of inventing cruelties. Anybody could sit around and come up with horrible things to do to people, so we try to keep it grounded in that way, and I think that it allows you to be a little more scary and broad, because it is tied to the real world. I'm not coming up with female genital mutilation. Mutilation, but we can tell a story about it, and it is a story that feels different, because it's not about a brown person in the buck. There were no people of color and you chose to go against that. Can you talk about that for a little bit? Yet was a very interesting part of the book where they said they had relocated what they called the children of Ham which I think were It's hard to tell because people of color had such. Such a wide definition, but the idea was that it was mostly African. Americans who had been sent off to summer Nebraska farm and it was just the most horrible story and the way she tells it is like a she assumes all those people were just sent often in make I I made it for two reasons, and that was a long time ago, and it was at the beginning of the show, the first lists a lot easier to have an all white world. World novel, US. You don't see it all the time. It's not your face, and although it makes a great statement, you're still making a TV show without me black actors. You're still making a TV show. That doesn't tell anything about a black story. You're just saying that stories offscreen. We're GONNA Watch. The white girl I understood the idea behind it, but it's hard to make a TV show about them without being racist when you make by not casting people by not telling. You know so I just I thought it seemed to adapt better to our time, and then what we start casting, it became kind of a non issue because as soon as we found effect. Who Plays Luke? He was so delightful and then more who you know. We weren't looking for anybody of any particular color Samir, soest and she was. She was so spectacular so once that started. You're like okay well. We have to change that conceit in. In the book and let's just not doing I also. Are Conceit was for trump's everything. People might be racist and certainly are racist, but credibly in a society. Where over let's say ten years. The birth rate dropped ninety ninety five percent. I think that there might be a movement of people not being as tweaked by color as they would have been, because they're more interested in having children, and that's the more important thing i. much preferred this way. Even, though in that way easier to address issues of race, because it would be much more, apparent and cruel. So want to jump over to the cinematography for a minute, because it is always stunning along with the art direction and the costume design the art for this show. What is the process of developing that? How did you come up with the Look Colin? Watkinson was your original cinematographer and he's done most of it. You've also brought on Zoe White and Stuart biddle com agreement that is a great name, and he's British so. You'd better did the look start with the cinematography. Did it start with art? How does everybody work together to create the look of this world? There was certainly a look that I had in my head, and that's how I was attracted to read Moreno. As the director redirected our first three episodes, she was also a DP she had been at degree I think she was one of the first women to be allowed in the American. Society of cinematographers, which is a crime that. Anyway when she brought in Collin, they spoke a certain language about cinematography that I was very very nutrient, but one of the things that we did at the beginning as we chose our color Palette and did camera tests and fuss with that forever in every department was in on, so it wasn't a decision by the wardrobe, department to choose the color of dresses, and that's continued on I. Think the biggest thing that we do is. We have a cohesive so color Palette is thought through. There's lots and lots of mood boards and. And all these kinds of things I think the first thing is is there's a ton of communication between the departments and most of those departments we try to be as female driven show possible behind the scenes as well so was Williams's. Our production designer Julie Berghof started the show. The amazing an crabtree did the wardrobe to a lot of this is women driven as well, but the thing that I really liked to do it I think this helps is I tried to let the DP DP make it. Look Cool, not tell. Tell them how to because I. Don't know how to. I don't know what Wednesday choose I. Don't know those things and so I i. try to give them the creative freedom to tell the story with pictures. And when you're telling the story, this complicated in this weird with pictures, the pictures are kind of interesting, and it's all on purpose. That's nothing nothing in any scene I. mean the handmaid's were different OBI's different belts because they're a little bit different in terms their style. It's just something to show their style nobody ever. Ever sees that the level of detail for example in the Waterford House. Remember those paintings on the wall in order for yes, but I don't remember they were. All of those paintings are are paintings that hang in the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston and they were alluded just like stopover looted the museum, so all of those pictures are not only copies victory, but they the right side, so they are the pictures they took also. The living room has very different pictures then the commander's office, which has kind of more edgy. In there and stuff like that, it's a little more edgy and wild than degenerate, and so that level of detail, and you can do it in the show because it's a very curated world gilead. What's curate? They wanted to look a certain way, so it doesn't look the way it looks by accident. Gilead wants to look that way the way the ones are the way houses are so it's very very beautiful, because they wanna make a beautiful because it happens to be beautiful, so because they're doing it on purpose, we can do it on purpose, but if you see something in the show that you really don't like you. You think is stupid. You could be pretty sure that I did it on purpose that you don't like something I chose to do so. If you think it's a mistake, it's probably not you probably just don't like it and I trusted. You have people who tell you things like that and you have to say this is why I. Try not to say this is why, because in some ways I got my shot, you know. I had my forty three minutes or sixty three minutes of show, and if they got it or didn't then it's not mine anymore. I want them to think what I think. I want them. Them to think what they think's I try not to guide them at all in that the nice thing is though that for me. People can extrapolate from the details if you see this. That's there on purpose. There's a reason why it happens exactly that way. We took off someone's hand in the first season took off the handle of a man who would touch the handmade and people ask why the surgery was done that way. They did this weird cut on his arm and everything, and it was because instead of hiring an extra. We hired answers and the way he drew the line of what you cut it so. So that. If you have the choice of how to cut, you'll leave something that you can comfortably make into a flap over the person's leftover stop, and so that's why that was, but that means that it's not like they hit an ax and chop up. They do it in a way, so then it's kind of both uncivilized and Super High Tech. So that was a weird combination. So that was a question. People ask us. Why did you do that? And because there's a medical reason, it's a big difference in go in between you know bringing a circular saw and cutting off someone's hand and sending them into surge. Season to you introduced Bradley. Whitford, character commander Lawrence, and then he became a major player in this season. The bad guy who's also the good guy that's my stocking trick. What was the process in bringing him on new? The Bradley wanted to do the show. He had been not a fan of the show, but someone who had inquired about being on the show, but I didn't really think about kind of Brad Bradley Whitford in this role. We had been thinking about the role for a while and I. Think what we wanted to do was create a character who was looking. Looking at his own ideas in practice, and what does that feel like? What does it feel like to be the intellectual father of Gilead? Not The practical, not on the ground, because I think everybody's asking. What were they trying to do and this is the guy who can tell you that also? He's the guy who says we can still do it, and we are doing it news. Always defending what what he did, but with him, I just loved how everybody is a experimental subject to him, so the way he treats June is as a curiosity, and that was fascinating is. The fact that he could see through her. Fred was so easy to manipulate you know. She smiled and undeterred. buttoning fell to pieces. She tries that with Lawrence early on and tries to flirt with him. How did that work with ready? Such a simple to your so transactional. Presented her with a big problem of. How do you change? She wants to manipulate someone, so she tried his wife. She tries all these different ways in the end. She doesn't manipulator. She goes front and center and kind of makes the intellectual argument Joan that this is what we have to do. She's pretty straightforward and that's. That's how she changes. She stops being caging and she starts saying Md. really still believe this is your house really so she starts being award direct and for him. That's a much better strategy is fun to watch him. He's a very. Very complicated character also everybody in Gilead is a complicated character. Nick who we find out. Ono Nick is not the boy we thought he was. Did you think he was a nice guy I mean? I didn't think he was a nice guy but I thought that he would be on June side first and foremost no matter what well I think he is inside no matter what he went to talk to them. She asked him to go talk to these people and he did. They realized he wasn't in to work with him. He did what he did. Did for you. I miss that they said this is not a guy who we are willing to deal with. We know this so Yeah, certainly the people outside Yulia think of him as a villain, people inside Jillian think of as a hero in the people fall into that category are not really our friends generally, but we see flashbacks him. We know he was in a very different mindset at the beginning. You had very big hopes for Juliet. He is a person who when he's committed to something. He falls it throughout. He has not wavered at all. All in his affection, for June he's pretty stalwart fellow, and that is both good and bad, and that's what I was trying to say is the same really loyal guy who's really oil to June is also really oil guys, really oil Gilead and you gotta get one with the other, and also I like the fact for us for the audience he you sold ought to believe that he's like everybody else. Learning someone is like everybody else that used that big step. You take some point in the relationship learning that the person you love has regular feet. So anyway. Those two actress together are so remarkable and maximum gal is a brilliant director and a great writer, and he comes and acts on my show until out, which is just spectacular, so part of the reason the character is the way it is is because of the way that Max. You really do feel like he's always struggling that he's always struggling he. He wants to do the right thing, but just want to make waves. You know it really is the personality. Somebody's a fighter in the a driver. Talking about he wants to do the right thing the scene where he goes and talks to luke. Oh it was hardly that was that was so good. That was so good I was so good by both of them. Because you know those are kind of avoided, generally, you know it's hard to write like when finally those two people meet. What's going to happen and I liked to write those things because I. I like to take the mystery off of it. You know it's like okay. It's just a conversation. It is they're talking to each other. And, it's a conversation like you have with people I so take the mystery out of these big scenes. You keep thinking all when they when they connect. It's going to be this huge moving profound thing and instead it's just two guys fighting. And and that's what most things are I think I'm trying to lower the expectations of people in their life I think the TV, sell such false expectations. you know June if she just put your mind to. It can change the world, and it takes putting your mind to it and getting back up when you're knocked down twenty five million times, and that's the part they leave out. Save said there quarantine. You. Guys are still working. How far along are you? In the development of season four? We were about two weeks into shooting, so we had written almost all of it and now we are writing the finale now during court in which I would have been doing during. During the first few episodes filming, so we have our complete for seasonal figured out we had figured out at the beginning, and we've taken this opportunity to get a little bit further ahead on scripts, and it's a great adventure should be the whole season to look at and go through a make sure everything tracks. Because you know, there's always something that bobbins something's. You missed that. Don't track with the characters and you end up having to change them. Retake MT Post. We don't make any mistakes like that just because we have. Have people who their job is to track the characters in the you know people have different characters assigned to them, so they're very mindful that, but this affords a great opportunity to kind of Polish and sculpted a little, so then runs one episode into up. Do you guys do table reads before they get to the actors we don't do table reads before i. read my scripts i. read them out to me. That helps me find you know if used a safety where like well before every sentence, you start to notice that. That in the dialogue every script I had some weird kick. You know constantly using one word. Another Serena outlet helps that it's also I. Think for me because dyslexic. It isn't the reading. It's the hearing Ben so I'm kind of reading it out. Loud to myself we did table reads at the beginning. It's it's complicated, which is typically? We have a very big. Yes, and I don't want to do a table. Read without everybody in their almost never all there at the same time, so in order to do a table. Bring in people specifically, and then also, you have to get Elizabeth Moss. WHO works I mean? It's hard to imagine anybody working harder than her. On this show. there's episodes where she's in every shot much less every. And so it just seemed practical to do. I love reverse. I weren't ton mostly about polishing by. The way things sound in people's mouths. You know sometimes it's harder than others joe finds. His character doesn't have a British exit. He Does Yvonne, ski she's Australia and she has a really thick Australian accent, and so I can't really hear her voice as Serena via Serena's voices so so very very different, but I read our credibly valuable, and I think maybe if we could. Could do it on zoom now that it is a little more comfortable with that heavy great, but scripture in for such a limited audience, you know I write a script, the only people who reads it our executives, and even many a few executives and actors and crew. Nobody else gives a crap about my script, so the only people it matters that they understand our the. It doesn't matter if you get it. You don't have to do anything with it, so it's a communication device between me and then, but it's not communication device to me in the audience. They're communicating to the audience, so the most important thing is that i. see in read for any of these meetings that we have Zilina is that they're seeing script the way that i. what the because they don't. It doesn't matter how clever I think I am, so that's it's a good reason to read. Is there anything you can share with us about season for? Ten episodes. Jeunes in it. I would say the biggest piece of ice. Give you it's which we don't try to. Predict I'm very proud of the season. Proud of all the season's this one I'm proud of just because I never get a chance to be proud before so I'm proud of the story and stuff, but you know what I would like to say about season four. Is it really just hold on tight? It's it's quite an emotional. And Physical Ride Athem. You're like us. You're looking for a way to make stay at home a little more special. We're GONNA. Let you in on our secret. Join, Rob Vices to get luxury cocktail kits, toys, tools, tech, and other incredible items delivered straight to your home on a monthly basis. The value is incredible. Your first box is going to be four hundred dollar to kill a curation, and you can sign up for as little as ninety nine bucks a month. Use The code podcast, and you'll save an extra fifty bucks at sign up, so had to rob vices dot com to bring exciting experiences safely to your door. Remember use the code podcast and go to ro BB v I C E S Dot Com. Is there a moment in your career. You would go back to either to change because you want to fix it or to pick up from where you left off and continue something that you feel is unfinished. I have two answers. One of my first jobs is when your when I first TV. Trump's and I was so unqualified. It'd be a producer and television writer that I feel like I owe them. I was there for two years. They taught me everything. I don't know that I could tribute at anything so You know John Wells and all those. Those other writers I owe them a couple of years of works. I feel like kind of unfinished. It was a great learning experience and I love all those people that I work with the the moment I thought I wish things had gone differently was it's very simple. I was in a writing room and someone and I had a Jerky boss, and he was screaming at someone, and I did Kinda pull his attention to me, but what I should have done is say. Don't treat her that way. You know you can't treat people that way and West and our. Getting away from having a totalitarian government that exists in television be completely autonomous with showrunner that can be a tyrant abusive in horrible, and no one can stop them, but that would have been a time to speak up. That would have been time to say. Don't do this I. Mean it's like what I call. The person's mother and say listen to how they're behaving is horrible so I really wish I had done more there and and it. It was bad for me and everybody else I mean certainly by the time I left. That show you know when he fired me a few months later, we took me forever to physically recover from I mean I. Don't think I am physically recover those kind of people screaming at you and your face of to get spit on your nose. That's just something you don't recover from, and it's not that person's place to ruin your life like. Like that. They actually don't matter that much, and you should be able to do that to someone. So you know we live in a business where people because they are. Artists are given indulgences and I think there's certainly some indulgences. Everybody deserves in their job, artists or not and lots of slack, but I think that we give Belgian is too bad behavior excusing it by saying that prison is a good artist when the two things are completely. Completely unrelated. There's a point in this business where someone does something horrible to you when you're young and they say that's just the way the business works I. Know You know like they do something immoral or that? You're able roar, or they're just. You know horrible to someone I'm fifty five I've been doing this wrong. It's not the way the business works. Those are assholes and the business works poorly because they're in it, but I've met. People who are normal and lovely and loyal and responsible and smart, and there are a lot more talented successful than those people, but when someone tells you, Oh, this is standard operating procedure. Don't be so quick to believe that you know. We pretty skeptical so if you were talking to someone who was looking to be a show runner, what would you tell them? Is the job based on what you just said of how? How people say some things are the job and they're not I think the job is to encourage and manage your team to create a great show. Most of it is encouragement management. Some of it is writing yourself in creating, but most of the job of show runner, artistic management, not art, and so I think that if you want to be a show runner, don't jump ahead of the line. Go through the steps as As a staff writer it because absolutely when you get the job show runner by more of that stuff you see in more stuff you know. The better I was lucky I said it, but I saw twenty five zero runners because I was fired from twenty five jobs so I said twenty five different people do it well and poorly, and in very very different ways, but I think there's two things that I try to. To do in my job, one is month. Shock Absorber the stress of the staff and the cast I absorb it so doesn't get to the studio network the stress of the studio network. I absorbed their stress. Oh doesn't get to the CAST and the writers group so I am constantly trying to give people the space to be as creative as they can be, but my rule of thumb really cultivate a Greek laziness. I would very much to send the Council Day. So if you bring that into your work ethic, it works quite well because my theory being showrunner is a very difficult time consuming job that requires a lot of multitasking all of those things. I'm bad. I'm bad at difficult things better multitasking. I have learned to do that, but you know at one point you're breaking the season and writing, and you're also doing post production, and you're also onset, and you're also casting so those four jobs are yours and full-time. So what I try to do is I think about the beginning of every season I'm going to get front seats. At some point. It's not going to be old. Sick I can take calls up on Thursday. I'm fine on Friday. I'm in bed and I can't talk to anybody for a week. Everything I do is to make it so that nobody knows that the studio network the cast the crew. Nobody knows that I'm gone. Everybody is so comfortable taking over and doing their jobs so I think as a show showrunner. Your big job is to make yourself absolutely dispensable. That's what you're shooting for your pushing for the machine to run beautifully without and make art without you do incredible things without you, and then you can add and make it better basically I. What a! A group of people that they can make a much better show that I can want to hire a whole bunch of a much better job than you are, and then just assume that you have to put the pieces in place that when you parachute out for a week, it all works perfectly, so that's kind of how I look at Bruce. Miller. Thank you so much for joining us closer to be here and I. Am so looking forward to the handmaid's tale season for whenever it's able to be finished. It'll be a laugh riot well I'll get to this too soon as possible. Thank you for having. Hollywood and scripted is created by Ercole OH media. This special episode of the stuck at home series was hosted produced edited by me. Jenny Curtis. With guest Bruce Miller. The executive producer of Hollywood scripted is Stuart Halpern. The. Hollywood unscripted theme song is by Celeste and Eric. Please take a moment to leave a rating and review. We want to hear from you. What do you like? What do you not? What do you want more of and make sure to subscribe that you don't miss any special episodes of Hollywood unscripted stuck at home, stay safe and healthy and thanks for listening. Creek media. Media for your mind.
10 Trivia Questions on Sci Fi Movies
"It's ten trivia questions on cy fi movies. Get at it nerds. This is trivia with buds. What it'd be and welcome to another episode of the trivia with buds podcast. I'm your host ryan buds. Thanks for checking out the show and thanks for checking on my website. Trivia with buds dot com. If you have an event coming up think about having me hosts virtual bingo some trivia some scavenger hunt. Some game shows. Whatever you have in your mind. I can do it and i promise it'll be a ton of fun. Go to trivial. Buds dot com. Click the contact form and let me know what is up. I have been playing some nintendo switch lately. I just downloaded saints row. The third which is a game that came out. I think in two thousand eleven or maybe two thousand nine. I'm playstation three. But i loved it. It's like open world grand theft auto type game but really over the top and crazy and i had some points on my nintendo account and it was thirteen ninety nine on sale from thirty nine ninety nine and i got it for three dollars the other day so i've been playing that and i actually have it on my desk in between shows i do at home and i put the little stand up on the nintendo switch and i play with the controller. The pro controller which is very nerdy. I called you guys nerds for liking sci fi movies in the intro here. I think that's pretty damn nerdy as well and i am enjoying it. So it's fun. I've never used a little stand by nintendo switch before. But i don't have a tv in my office. And i thought that was a great use of that for some downtime. We have an episode for on sci scifi movies coming up. We've got ten questions for you on that topic. And i wanna read another itunes review. This one's from k. Hawks k. h. u. Accent eight eleven. Twenty one. Five star says perfect trivia. Podcast loving tribute buds. Love that i can skip. An episode of the subject is not in my wheelhouse. Love that it. Short and sweet. And i can listen to one episode on my work shuttle everyday low in addition to great trivia. There's a bit of personality that comes through but doesn't take over the short and sweet trivia episode keeping coming. Kristen be thank you kristen. That is a very stellar review. From you and i'm so glad you like the show for all those reasons because a lot of those bullet points are What i keep in mind when i'm trying to Put out new stuff so there you go or to jump at ten questions on scifi right now here. We go sci-fi trivia question number one what book by h g wells was made into a movie starring elizabeth moss in two thousand twenty number one. What book by h g wells was made into an elizabeth moss. Movie in two thousand twenty number. One number two star. Trek three is also called the search. For who number two the search for who question number three. Which of these phrases does darth vader. Say is it luke. I am your father. No i am your father boy. I am your father or fool. I am your father number. Three question number four the second x. Files movie in two thousand eight head. What subtitle the second x. Files movie in two thousand eight had what subtitle number four question number five. What is the name of the computer that tries to kill the crew in two thousand one space odyssey number five. What is the name of the computer that tries to kill the crew in two thousand one a space odyssey question number six. What is the alternate title to the tom cruise film edge of tomorrow number six. What's the alternate title to the tom. Cruise film edge of tomorrow number seven. Who does the voice of the c. Three po parody character dot matrix in space balls. Who does the voice of dot matrix in space balls question number eight. How many total shark aid movies have been produced number eight. How many total shark. Nato movies have been produced and number nine in the first of the newest planet of the apes movies. What is the name of the initial eight. That james franco befriends number nine in the first of the newest planet of the apes movies what is named initial ape. The james franco befriends. Who is the second build actor in two thousand thirteen's gravity number ten. Who's the second build actor in two thousand thirteen gravity. Those are all your questions for sci-fi trivia. We'll be right back in just a second with the sci-fi answers we are back with the answers to sci-fi trivial. If you got all these questions correct. I would have got about a seven out of ten myself. Number one. what. Book by h g wells was made into a movie starring elizabeth moss in two thousand twenty. That was called the invisible man number one. The invisible man number two star. Trek three is the search for spock. The search for spock number three. Which of these phrases does darth vader. Say is it luke. I'm your father. no. I'm your father boy. I'm your father or fool. I'm your father and it's be no. I'm your father number four the second x. files movie in two thousand eight had the subtitle. I want to believe i want to believe. I've seen both x-files movies. But i have not seen a lot of the show which is weird number five. What is the name of the computer that tries to kill the crew in two thousand one space odyssey three letters hell. Ha al hell like the dad on malcolm in the middle number six. What is the alternate title to the tom cruise film edge tomorrow live die. Repeat lived. i repeat number seven. Who does the voice of c. Three po parody character dot matrix. Space balls that's joan rivers number seven joan rivers number eight. How many total shark nature movies have been produced six total shark nature movies. I was in the first one. I never shut up about it. Go to my website if you want to see a picture on my about section of me as beach victim number one number nine in the first of the newest planet of apes movies what is the name of the initial eight. That james franco befriends. That caesar caesar and number ten. Who's the second build actor in two thousand thirteen gravity. That's george clooney. George clooney there. You have ten questions on sci fi movies. Hope we had fun playing along with those today. We have affected the day for in effect. Is that andrew. Jackson had a pet parrot and he taught his parrot polly to curse like a sailor. Hopefully you don't do that with your parent at home. Although it's probably pretty fun to do that if you can get a bird to swear come on. I'm going to look that up on youtube. Thanks for listening. Thanks for telling a friend. We'll see you next. Time for more trivia with buds cheers.
Ep. 93 The Invisible Man
"Welcome to the film fanatics podcast episode. Ninety three my name's Chris and I'm Joel. So we got a lot to mention For our locals we still have our patriarch page. That's more for If you're wanting discounted theater tickets if you're wanting free Theater tickets monthly or Discount IS CONCESSIONS. All that different stuff we still have that. Patriot on page You can find it at Patriotair Dot Com Slash Ford Slash Plaza Cinema Four. If you're interested and all that stuff if you're local if you're not a local we do have some ways that you can give to the show as well because we are trying to save up for me for a new microphone. Chris as Awesome Road over here and so We're kind of trying to get the same one for me. And so we have a Kofi Page up on our facebook. You can also we're going to have it in the show notes so if you like to donate it's a one time donation you don't have to subscribe to a monthly payment or anything like that you can just dump a specific amount however much you feel like We have a goal of I. Think two hundred So yeah we're trying to get new Mike for the studio and You can help us do that. By just going into the show nuts going that Kofi page and clicking that button yeah and we also like to thank our sponsor the next level laser tag new company serving wise and surrounding counties. Call nine four zero six to seven next to book your Mobile Party today or check their website at www dot next level laser tag dot com. So yeah we have a lot of stuff going. We have a lot of stuff happening with us. Like it's it's crazy it just. It's all just kind of snowball in. I mean which good thing is is where we're taking everything in stride so it's not like overwhelming but like the Kofi thing definitely it's a it's a completely new thing. One time I mean you. Can you know like they like it? Says on really the main thing with Kofi like you can boss a cup of coffee so you can give whatever you want but yes that'll be you know if you're following us on facebook we have a link to our Kofi pay Show notes. It'll be a button on there. So yeah like you said it's I think it's going to be a cool thing. And we do have a have a goal for the new Mike for you know for you and upgrade more quality because think some of our listeners are definitely wanting to you know they appreciate good audio. Everybody does but in today's episode. We HAVE A CRAM-PACKED CRAM-PACKED EPISODE. We're going to be reviewing the invisible man That's going to be just got done watching it. Yeah so I I feel like we have some good things to say about that. Yeah we also have some. We finally have some giveaways we earned goes finally studios finally hooked us up a little bit Which is always Disney Pixar? It's always now. But the new movie for Disney Pixar is onward onward and we have some onward gift packs four. Everyone that will be telling you toward the end of the show will kind of explain how to enter and everything like that and will be picking a random winner. There's three gift packs and basically what's in a viking remember? Remember what's in them. You get an onward. Like little drawstring backpack and what's in it you get like a beanie. Oh Nice A kids t shirt. A key chain a lunchbox In a sticker pack. I believe cool so school. Get some pretty neat things in there. but yeah we'll explain to what you're gonna how do that and everything and then of course we're Talk about one hundred hundred episode coming on and what we're going to be doing as a nice giveaway and kind of mentioned a little bit. Maybe you know Kinda give some ideas and what to expect for that so you definitely want to keep following the keep up to date for sure with our post on on that. So let's get into this all right so the invisible man Well I'M GONNA I'm GonNa say this. I was already kind of after seeing some early reviews yesterday. Kind of got me a little hyped like a little bit more excited because you've probably you know you've heard me time for time. I'm not a big horror fan. And this is kind of a horror slash thriller. Yeah it's a lot more thriller. Yeah Lot more through thriller than horror. And can you believe though? This movie is rated R. which it's not as no. They're not as hard. No there's only a couple I think there's only a couple like one or two F word Not a lot of language. Now only I guess mainly. There's some violence towards the end. It's pretty violent but Graphic but other than that. Yeah it's pretty calm but it's will not call but it's pretty Pg Thirteen I would say yeah. It's it's on that heavy end of the PG thirteen so but it does get intense Maybe they used one too many F. bombs to make it a a I would say it's more of the the close up blood spurting. Yeah I definitely think because you're allowed to say I think to F words in a PG thirteen movie. Yeah I think so too But Yeah I was. I was excited about this movie For a while ever since I saw the first trailer it it looked like it was going to be more suspense thriller and not a lot of jump scares and I absolutely and this is a movie that is begging for jump scares and I'm so glad they didn't go that cheaper out they they really just Used a lot of well. I mean there's invisible guy so they use a lot of the surroundings in ways put Elizabeth Moss. The main actress put her in situations. That just made you feel like anxiety. You felt the anxiety that she had gained of. You made it really. 'cause they how they use the cameras like they they would pan it to like a very open space like someone's there And it gave you that very eerie feeling. Yeah that's a good way. Yeah it's mostly Erie like there's not a lot like thankfully there's not a lot of jump scares it's real scares like yes. You're you're kind of putting her shoes like there's this open space and no noise really except for sometimes footsteps and you just have to see what happens so basically to get everybody in to like what we're trying to talk about is her character is trying to leave an abusive relationship And he has basically. It's been announced that he was dead. Yeah he committed suicide so it's like he faked his death and and it's really but and you don't know like is she going crazy his name really make you feel like she might be. Yeah and so. It's like this whole time is. Is She going insane or is this really happening in you? Know people trying to believe it or not believer. Yeah you know it really kind of put you on the edge of your seat. I think I think they did. A great job in this thriller. Type movie like scares to like The my scene is my favorite scene. Is the paint and the ladder seen that one was at first because I was the first one that yeah that was such a good like oh man I don't want to spoil it but that let your hair stand up high. Does it really does? Because you're like you know someone has to be there but you can't like you're like if this was a real life situation you're the near the hairs on the back of your neck would just be like spikes because you're anticipating jump scare and you do not get yes and that's what's so good and so it keeps you like on the edge of your seat. You're grabbing the arm arm like you're waiting and you never get it then. It's just things happen that just kind of freak you out. Yeah an and it could be something as simple as she looks. Back in there The breath like the breath. Yeah stuff like that. It's some it's simple stuff like she. She does something and you just see something slip off the counter very secretly. Yeah very subtle. Yes yeah and it's like Oh man yeah it just it just kind of gives you that chills gives you chills and the thing is is like you said earlier like true scares and like this is hats jumping out of garbage cans. Because this is I mean. How Weird and freaked out could you? Would you be with someone? That's an invisible person doing stuff like this to you. I mean I mean that's that's real freaky yeah you can't just see taking pictures of you while you're sleep all and you know how that went back because the F- you know you feel like when she's in bed you see the flicker until you know. I thought it was a light. Yeah Yeah I mean you see the phone afterwards. Gas a lot of good stuff. Yeah so I think I think in all this is very solid. Yeah I I really think so Elisabeth Moss did a terrific job. She she acted very just. You thought she was psycho. If you didn't if you weren't in the audience you would think. Yeah she's crazy. She is out of her mind. But because you see what she's experiencing you're like no. She's not like please listen to her. But so here's the thing I want to ask your opinion on. How do you think she did with summoned like in the house with the fight scenes with the invisible person? How she has to act like. She's literally somebody. I was wondering about that. Like if they maybe wore. One of those suits like had someone really attacking her with those suits so it looked more realistic more if she what if it was just completely nothing because obviously she was being dragged a little bit unless it was all CGI. But I'm guessing they're probably with someone in one of those suits that they use to make Basically like agree editors yeah Ah Green Sea slut like a green suit. Rescreen suit kind of. Yeah something like that with or those. Yeah exactly and so I was wondering if they did that. Or if it was all just her. I bet it's a mixture of both. Yeah but yeah. It's very convincing you. You you're like it. Looks funny too. Because she's just swinging being pulled around and there's nothing there I know I I think that's the only thing that it look a little weird and kind of funny is flaring her arms everywhere. So it's like it is Kinda funny on that part but you know but she's literally fighting someone off yeah I thought the guy that played the COP His tablet pulled up a aldis hodge. I've I don't think I recognize him from anything by eating a job. I actually do recognize him He's in hidden figures hand-eye hard with a vengeance and Outta Compton. Okay Yeah Yeah so he. He's been in some movies. Yeah I knew I seen him somewhere. Well he did good. Yeah he did really well and Girl played his daughter. Obviously in a wrinkle in time and uh that euphoria show on. Hbo Her name's storm Reid. She she did good as well. Everyone did a really good job. I thought and with their roles I didn't feel like there was any bad acting in this movie The the guy that played her husband. You don't see him much. Obviously you don't see him off he he's a really good actor too. He's from the show the haunting of Hill House that was on net flicks and he does a really good job. When he's on screen you you can tell. He is very manipulative yet. Because with how little you you see of him at all I won't say much more but with little you see of him when he talks. It's this snaky type of talk. He sounds sincere. But you can just tell like. He's using that to try to manipulate her feelings and I thought it was very effective. Here's the thing about him to It he seemed very. He seemed awfully strong. Yeah I was wondering about that too. Like picking her up and how he manhandled through people across I mean did that seem a little over the top. Yeah I thought so little bit because I really. Kinda thought that he's supposed to be an average because he's supposed to be an extremely smart intelligent like engineer. Type Person Well. That's what I wonder if there was anything in the suit. That's enabling him. Yeah because he did have like it. Looked like electronic harms arm sleeve things to put on that so. I don't know that was but I don't think yeah. I think that was a little overdone. Probably I was just taking people out left and we didn't really get a full explanation on that. No which I I I I really like how they introduce the movie where it's just this long Fifteen minutes probably felt like fifteen minutes of her just not wanting him to wake up yet her just sneaky like all this planning like you know something is off about this relate like from the very beginning into you know that it's scary like you feel scared for her. Well even the intro. Yeah it's it's really. Good the the intro introduction critics pretty much the waves crashing waves crashing and showing tight. The title and. Yeah you know studio and all that it just it gives you that like I said eerie feeling. Is You know you already knew that you were into your fixing your in. The in. This movie seemed a lot of it. Really when you think about it there was always very. It was always very dark dark at night or something exciting Rainier. So there wasn't really a hosmer phobic. It felt claustrophobic to being suffocated. Because you you he's always there but you don't know it yeah and it's just very puts you on edge. So does yeah they. They did a great job. I thought they did. I think this is one of the better scarier type movies I've seen in a while. Yeah me too. This is my favorite type of scary movies. Yeah It reminded me a lot of. Oh man came out like two years ago This lady basically supposedly accidentally checks herself into a psych ward and it was all shot on an iphone. Okay it had like people you don't know if he's crazy or not or if they're making her feel like she's crazy and really had similarities to how. Elisabeth Moss acted in this movie. You want to know what this kind of reminded me of what movie this reminds me of with the invisible man and like pulling the sheets off and stuff moving the very first Paranoid activity. Yeah I was GONNA say that Of course after that they start getting ridiculous but that first one is Li- simple little thrill simple and that is the one that really gives you those chills. Yeah and that's kind of what he's wanting her basically. Yeah like a A movie you would think of as paranormal activity except it's not paranormal. It's just a guy in a suit right. Yeah it's it's really the thing is this is something that could actually be real like this technology like this could actually happen like they could make a suit like so. It's not something that's over. The top like yeah. That stuff doesn't exist you know. This is something that's more like on par of that could really happen. I mean you'd have to be really smart. Yeah but you know billions of dollars but but it probably could be out there. So and of course rotten tomatoes. The critics are raving about it. They have it at ninety one percent. It's not even fresh yet. Just probably means it's tied some of their top critics haven't reviewed it. Yeah we got about ninety six on the count. So that's the average score. We have a seven point. Five seven out of ten oh average rating. We have an average rating with Eighty seven rated it fresh with nine rated at rotten nice. That's a good average right there. That's really good. Top critics rated six point six two out of ten nineteen rated at fresh four rated at rotten so they have it at eighty. Three percent. Honora on the top critics credit. I'm wondering when they probably just don't have enough percentage of the top critics audience score doesn't come out until tomorrow. I will know then official rating will come out but yeah that's really good. That's a strong strong percentage right there. Well speaking of all that And we also have more information on rotten tomatoes that we'll get into this That's part of the episode to but what what are you gonNA give this I I think I'm gonNA give an eight. Wow Yeah it's just really a really good thriller Entertain me the whole time. I never felt board. there are things some things that were predictable. That's why it's probably you know not a nine or nine and a half But it's just one of those fun thrillers that keeps you entertained the whole time Good acting and that's exactly what I wanted from this type of movie. Well I said well is because I had an eight as well. Oh really because we both had the same exact score and I think After when I was seeing this and seeing some of the reviews I thought okay. I'm I'm kind of liking. How is going and then you know watching it. I'm like I was enjoying it. Yeah an even though. This is not like my favorite Jara But this was very this is. This was very entertaining. Really really enjoy doing that. Definitely one of my favorite movies of the year so far. Yeah it's real solid So I was really really impressed with this movie. So but since. We're on the topic of rotten tomatoes right so let's go into our second part of the Episode or last part of the episode. Whatever you WANNA call it We have we have some announcements that we WANNA kind of. Lay out kind of out some. I guess you could say a foundation of what we're trying to do And you know we definitely need. Everyone's help but so with rotten tomatoes. What we are trying to do is. We're actually trying to. I guess you could say be a BA critic. In a way certified as a a a a recognized critic on rotten tomatoes exactly so we would be classified to be an approved for a tomato meter publication. Because we're a podcast so we should be awesome. Yes so what we're wanting to do is we. You know we need everyone's help to do that. And one one thing is is giving us a rate and review on ITUNES THEY. They specifically said a minimum. It kind of their what they want to see as a minimum of two hundred reviews with an average of four star. So you know. That's a lot of reviews that is a that is a lot of review. Yeah but they I know they base it by case by case basis. So you know we would like to get fairly close as much as possible but if you enjoy the episode the show whatever you know. Share it with everybody but please go to I. I tuned because we Also the reviews that were previously done have been deleted. So you have where. It's like a clean slate now so we have zero reviews on there because of our new name and all that stuff. That happened with itunes. So even if you've given us a review it would be super awesome to go back onto itunes and review rate a rate give us a rating again Just because that's kind of is some. We're just trying to have goals more Focused goals I guess this year and so having being able to be recognized critics Tomato meter critics on males would be so awesome. So yeah we just WanNa see feel partner with us to kind of help us achieve that so exactly and you know with all of that we have you know we have our one hundredth episode coming up as well you know with within the next lesson two months pretty much so we have some time to kind of get it out there but if you haven't been following us in the last I guess forty eight hours. We have put on there that we are going to be given away a kindle fire tin for one hundredth episode and. I think we got. I think I got an electric blue or some blue one. We got up. Colored Looks Nice. It Looks Pretty Cool. And so we're not really sure what we're going to really do about how we're GonNa do the giveaway yet. But because we don't even really know what we're GONNA do for the show yet. We haven't really. We may be doing a review. Which apparently you said time frame looks like new mutants. Yeah I think so it'd be new mutants or there's that comedy with Camille Nanjiani coming out. But I'm not sure if you're getting out that but we don't even know we could even decide not to review and we can do a Q. and A. or we go do a live podcast stream or we do all. We can do anything really. We could do something really special. If that's something that you guys would be interested in but we are giving some. We are given the Kindle fire away but once we figure out kind of how we WANNA do the giveaway. We'll let everybody know so one. You need to make sure you're following us on our facebook page at the film fanatics. Podcasts also doesn't hurt to follow us on twitter if your twitter ha- are user. 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So yeah just do that We'll take names And then probably do random just name out of a hat type of thing we usually do but yeah we so once you have done that some major review normally just so you know it normally takes about a day or so for to show up. That's why what we're doing is we won't really announce the winners until probably next sometime next week. So you WANNA be following us on facebook and once you've done that just comment on the When we post the episode on Facebook just comment on that episode that you've reviewed reviewed and Once you've done that will will wait till oh I think what that. We have a special showing on Thursday. So what will probably do is through Wednesday probably a Wednesday. So they can. If you'RE GONNA come in watch the movie you can always come pick it up Thursday or this week or that weekend but it'll give you some time to one listen to the episode so you don't miss out on a giveaway. We WanNA give Yeltsin time and time to do the review and rating. 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Why Universals New Big Budget Dracula Movie Will Have A Major Twist
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Burton LeBlanc Interview - The Pascal Show
"Hey guys welcome welcome back. Thank you guys so much for sticking around in tuning into the show. If this is your first time checking out the show please go click that button on our facebook subscribe on our Youtube and of course give us a like on this feed as we speak anyway. I'm very very honored and very excited to introduce this gentleman to the show. He is the of makeup for the hit. Hulu show the handmaid's tale please welcome Burton La- block to the show. What's up man? How you doing brother guys could be here. Thanks for having me and any time man so I gotta I gotTa ask you how have been. How have things been since the since this this quarantine to struggle? I think everybody's going through the same thing. It's just a patriots you know. What do you do what you do all the time keepers together you know? Try to stay in shape. Whether you for walks. I've got a I've got some weights in New York on trying to do a little bit of something and keeping the head space. Good just the main thing. But it's tough. Yeah Yeah I can definitely feel I definitely feel your your your own. I definitely feel your struggles because this is what you know every day. You're trying to find reasons to stay. Motivated get out there and do some things. It's sometimes hard even though those weights are right there next to you. Sometimes it's hard to just get up and pick up those weights even though they're just five feet in front of you. You know what I mean the motivation to do it there but you WanNa do it. You know stuck at home. The motivations got at staying out when it's hard. Yeah it's really really hard. So what about your show? Does this like people running? Like it's great that thank you man I really I really appreciate Yeah I mean we do our show Monday through Friday so and then I do a couple of pop-up shows on the weekend so I stay busy but this is a good excuse for me to stay busy. It's something that keeps me. Active keeps my mind moving. Because I feel like if I wasn't moving or if I wasn't doing anything right now I would lose. I would literally lose my mind so I'm lucky to be able to have this platform and do this stuff from home for now at least for now. You know. It's a blessing so so tell me since. Obviously you guys were if I'm correct. The handmaid's tale was in production. I guess you guys were in pre production and then everything kind of got shut off because of this pandemic so do you mind like elaborating a little bit more about that and just talk talking about that. If you don't mind work any shows starts there's like you said pre-production or there's like prepping of every department the executives in down from there every department get their stuff together. Get the department together. Everything ready to go so I mean the office was up and running like months before but each production like I get a couple of weeks some more cameras and other ones. You know their scouting the city. They're checking for locations all kind of thing so you know for month or two before. So that's really all set in place then you've got to get permits from the city. You get all that you can't just show up anywhere and start shooting. That's all going to be planned out to raise and all those permits are completely teyeba. They're all gone right. Yes it was raining. A lot of pre-planning in the behind the scenes stuff. So now. That's Kinda like out the window so when we start up again whenever that maybe sooner than later definitely fingers crossed. We're going to start up again. It's all going to go again. It's like Oh my God Mungai says you need to do this. But it's tough. It's a hard on art situation. Yeah no and I believe that so now that you guys are I mean how is Toronto because I know that you are skyping in from Toronto right now so how how is Toronto right now. It's pretty much shutdown. It's kind of like things are opening today. Today was like the first day that certain things we're GONNA start open small businesses and stuff like that but for the most part today is really this week is like the first week. That's kind of happened. It's it's tough everybody's Shannon's living in their opinion their house trying to buy lots of net. Flix yeah a lot of net and a lot of Hulu a lot a whole lot of new here. So of course. I want to show off some of your some of your work here because obviously you were gracious enough to give us some some footage or some photos from behind the scenes so I want to show off some of your work you know and you know here you are with with Elisabeth. Moss the delete of the handmaid's tale. Doing doing what you do on the show and of course I do have to ask you like how do you get the Gig in the first place man? Well you know. It's the lead up lots of work and it's just like playing playing the cards right doing you doing the work. Obviously that's that's the main thing keeping yourself in that level and in that zone and just keep going that I mean just before handmaid's I'd done twelve monkeys and American gothic Spielberg production and that kind of led up to just a couple years before handmaid's I got a call From a producer that already worked with prior maybe a year or two before they connected me with Elizabeth Moss that we would be a good a good match together. It's like a it's going to be for the show and for you. So I talked to Lizzie. She gave me a call. I think the next day later that day the next day and That was my interview. We talked ten minutes and I called back my producer guy and I said you want me to come in like what he won't do talks who people say no was loves you lizzy loves you and job jurors. I'm saying no already obviously been given the script and I had to go over that. Talk to Lizzie. Both that and get my ideas. Get her ideas and the writing. I mean when I got that scrimped I was like man. It was actually one of those first things and I really all a show that you get some that you get like you need to do it. This was one of them. WanNa do this one. I really want this. I went after it and and I worked out and just so happy to get those stacked to get it. Yeah so when it comes to make up and everything you know I do have to ask you like how. How competitive is your industry? Berry really can very. Yeah very competitive. So you've got to be on on your game and do what you gotta do. Lots of her work. Which really competitive really is how so. How so is it like? Is it through word of mouth type of situation. Or How do you stay relevant? I guess how do you stay relevant in your field? Well the first of all the there's a lot of people here crew people here makeup people and there's not as many shows to fill those positions so obviously you know the top people increase. Where are those are ones going to get the job? So you've got a really Do the hard work top. Yeah Wow okay. 'cause 'cause I always wondered like now of course I'm not trying to say anything bad about you. Know Your your field or your industry or anything like that. But I've always wondered how does one say? Oh Yeah I'm going to go with Burton law block for because of his you so I'm saying like what is it. That grabs their attention to say. Oh I most definitely want him or I most definitely want her. What is it that thing? What is the thing that stands out? You know that show. That makes people actually want to work with you or any other artist out. There were a lot of personality and you have to be able to get along with everybody. That's a huge personality. Anything a huge huge thing. Franks resumes gotta be there. So what you've worked on. Your latest project really tells a lot. Personality is huge. It's really huge. And you want people to remember you work for your workout. There really showcase your work matter. How you know whoever? You'RE GONNA do that on showcase it of course. I can constant constant work at. Yeah and of course you being able to have six nominations under your belt. That's not a bad thing to have on your resume as well today. Good it's good. It's a good. Yeah absolutely. Don't let it get your hand because you know it's good. It's good yeah. Of course. Of course that's fun. Stop like icing on the gate which is break yeah recognized. Oh absolutely and you know. Of course congratulations on all your accolades. Because that's all the nominations and everything. That's huge I mean 'cause I gotta be honest. I wouldn't know how to win award right now how to even win over award right now would be like. I don't know you know what I'm saying. So the fact that that says a lot about your work obviously you know so now when it comes to being a makeup artist being a running a makeup department for a huge TV show. How does the kit? How does the communication happened? What what what is the communication like in regards to the director or the executive producer to you guys so that you know how you guys staying connected so that you give him the best work on camera that he's looking for when they're ready to turn on the cameras right before the show actually startling pre-production day-today well people you've got to meet up with it. Executives usually a lot of the main actors you meet up with. We have a little meeting With what you want where you WANNA go. What ideas they have really collaborate with them. You WanNa make everybody happy as well as you have your own vision so it's all good all come together so I mean you have meetings got meeting to the executive meetings. With all of the directors sometimes episode episode have different directors and obviously two different episodes. So that's gotTa start up while you're in an episode while that's going on to start up for the next one coming in a week or two even the big job even longer. You've got up for something so really a lot of prepping lot of planning a lot of meetings and constant emails and texting and talking to the actors and because you WanNa get them they have to be comfortable and you WanNa make them comfortable and you want to do your job and know what you have to do right. So really collaboration okay. And of course you're not the only makeup you're overseeing all these makeup artists as well so you're making sure that everything everything's being translated properly to the face or to whatever is going to be seen or shot in the scene. So how? How are you keeping that cohesive. Because that's I don't know how many makeup artist you have working under you but I can only imagine there's A. I'm sure you have a lot of different people that are coming in and out in and out. And sometimes when it comes to the continuity keeping the continuity must be really really hard especially like if you're if you're shooting one scene one angle and then you have to say a re-shoot two months later. Let's say how you're keeping the scar or you're keeping the blood trail or whatever it is. That's on the person's face or body how you're keeping it exactly how it was shot to before some just curious how. How does that house is taking care of? You know a Lotta pictures. Whenever to do the makeup big makeup. It's going to happen lizzy. Mosses blood or scarring on her face. Got To be a lot of future for one and a lot of notes. So that's got to be tracked. You know exactly like tons of stuff. Like in regards to her little file we would have for her and all of the actors and even the extras would have look. So we've got a document all that in any Like the bigger days. You'd get extra makeup people that come in make been here. Makeup would come in and you would have to have a little meeting or somebody on your team would go and explain what needs to be done to keep them in line with what your vision is for the show and visual references are perfect for that and then when I go to San Diego. I'm checking everybody out like digitally I'm there and actually we're filming as well. There's monitors that we can watch what they're doing. I'm always there like right there and constant for the day because the lighting sometimes changes. Sometimes there's too much daylight or less daylight or the lighting inside a house Is obviously could be different from. What's in the hermit control to be low light or highlight So it's a constant work fifteen hours a day or maybe up to twenty hours plus. Yeah I'm there like a nonsmoker nonstopping. So it's constant really got to be on. That's incredible man. I I commend you because I could. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do man so the fact that you can do. That is pretty incredible. Especially like your onset. And you're going. I know that blood needs to be a little bit more red. We need we need a little bit more. Rusian inner cheeks. We need to this that and the other. It's like she looks really sickly. And that's not the whole point of this this scene. We need to revive her skin or make her look a little bit more. Live that kind of thing. It's it's amazing the things that you guys do to make a movie or a TV show any production a really sing and really be realistic. And that show is amazing so the fact that we get to see in here a little bit about the work that goes on behind the scenes is so huge because people think a lot of people. Just don't think about how much work and prep is put and is applied before they even say the first time cameras up action. You know what I mean. So it's inexplicable this show is keeping real like it's all about realism. I think in my hands like I as I'm watching the monitors as their soulmates. Like do I do I buy it. Is this like my seeing too much something here? Why also have great people working with you? So he need to rely on them. Because sometimes I you get too focused. Almost no no it's good. It's good that constant. You know what I mean keeping it realistic and always thinking about you watching at home I want you. I want you to buy. I want you to leave the rabbit and it gets a such an emotional show and the so many you know tight shots in the face every little detail as you can see yeah. It's tough the way some of the shots are. I mean. There's such shallow depth of field. There's so there's sometimes it's very extreme close ups I mean it's it's like amazing the fact that you can go in there and you know. The true test is being able to have makeup on without people really knowing that you've got makeup on and you guys kill that every single time and the show. I'm I'm a huge fan so I cannot wait for the next season to come out. I know a lot of people are chomping at the bit to find out what's going to happen to to our our main character. I'm so excited about that. You know under his I appraise me. We all back in know earlier this year and just ready to shoot so we've only done two weeks of shooting in this all went down. Yeah just getting into it right so it's tough. It's tough yeah and we chomping at the bit to get back. Yeah Yeah of course you know I gotta ask you a couple of questions I got and it has. One of them has to do with the next season. What what can we expect for the upcoming season of the handmaid's tale? Can you give us a little bit of sudden? Maybe a little tiny bit of a teaser or something. Well you know what the writing in the writers are working their butts off trying to get the best right. And there's a lot of pressure on them off and they're constantly reworking things and they've they've a lot of pressure on but this season re really don't really get scripts to barrhead like we got the first two or three okay and we really don't know much on hopefully with all this time off. The writers are hard at work. I'm sure they are. You know to get a good period of scripts done so we can just keep going with it. But we really don't know that our head. I mean if you if I talked to someone to be like Lizzie. Obviously would know what's going on some of the executives so I could have arbitration with them the most part. There's not a lot of talk to no. I totally understand. I figured that you don't because it's it's almost like there's so much. Focus on on each step that we have to do. I can't even think too far heavier this. I'm so super focused on that yet and I understand that and I totally understand that. I just hope I could maybe get you to drop. Just a little does attack. You know. Catch you slipping a little bit. You know what I mean. Season three last season plus. She's really kicking some ass June is going to be more of that a lot more. That's alcohol yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing what she what she starts doing here soon. You know but of course you just said a little bit ago. It's all about the how you're able to proceed to bigger jobs and more jobs is how you get along with other actors and how you get along on set with people and all that not only just your work not only just your stellar work but also being able to be someone who is able to get along and roll with the punches. So I gotta ask you of course this other question when it comes to the actors on say have you had any personalities that you had to deal with. Did you have any diva moments or? Did you have any weird requests onset that you had to abide by on any kind of show on on any show any show what the name of the show or just want the so? I mean do you spilled the tae in a a show years back lars and the real girl with Ryan Gosling. Which was a great show. I think the timeline people saw but that was kind of like just the beginning of where he took off very good for him that there was somebody on act. Show that That I was doing makeup on and she really didn't want a lot of wear terrifying. She was a little bit older female and she didn't want a lot of. I can only do makeup on one side of her face. That wasn't on camera. She just felt like it was going to be too much. Maybe we're that side down or you know so. I really had to be on it. She wants to be a worthy lights. Were what the camera angles were like. You have to really be on that for the and that doesn't not as the first time that's happened to me. That's not really. That happens often. That was just something that constitutes. Okay and you just do it right. Just make the best of it end and get around it stuff like that. A lot of requests for the most part. Everybody's great we're all up fresheners rugged that that was just kind of a little bit yeah. That's very specific. I can only imagine how hard that would be if you got this particular angle and then the camera flips you know and they got the other side like why not. Just do the whole face it. Change The Angle. Like right there on the spot. Exactly really gonNA be on it. It's one of those things in that. You don't know what's GonNa Happen. Yeah the light. Somebody doesn't like the light or the way that it's it's going and things get changed requirements. Kind of a weird thing like yeah. That's very rare that that is very wild for sure. And that's a very wild request. I've never heard anything like that before. I've heard people having to act to a wall because another person has to leave town like they have a plane to catch in. So you have to act to like a tennis ball or something like that as as for your scene partner or something like that. But I've never seen orb never heard anything like that but that's that's that's very particular for sure. So what what is the longest? What is how. What is the longest you've ever had to spend on a person putting applying makeup? What's the longest time it's taking you to apply makeup on a particular actor? It does very typical. Amount of time would be anywhere from half an hour to an hour could be to our makeup. Could be three hour makeup and even sometimes if we do the makeup. And they're still lighting onset or getting things ready onset not quite ready. Weekdays usually pretty timed out pretty good that kind of like ept aware of those times. Sometimes things happened so we kind of maybe do things last minute on set if we can just to make it more believable more fresh than keeping that make up for the whole day like fifteen twenty hour gay or sometimes more to keep me eating on. So you've got to really be on. It's great make a big makeup. You've got to really stick with that person. Just because it's not just about one person but just depends. It could be. Yeah Yeah it depends on the scene depends on the the actor from exceed and there's a lot of times people there honor their shower that just waking up there any name. It could be anything. Yeah or they could just be you got all those elements and after a long day under ray or they could be excessively hairy excessively hairy. You know that could be as soon Harry. Meaning that comes even if people maybe our you know our been out the night were having having a few drinks. The alcohol can pull off things. Come through the skin. Oh Hope make-up's off so I just don't know what you've got to really be actually just don't really on it. Visually just watching everything like throughout the day for everybody needs a tough day but yeah it's great we're going. I'm also seeing some people showing some love you know Bernie sit again say that again now back to lars into real talking about lars and the real girl the blow up doll you saw. Oh Yeah I've seen the movie. Though with. They had had to treat that lump doll like a real person just because it was helpful for the for the show and really be respectful Bianca. And we really had to like treat her like a talent. She was the part of the show. Wow a little little tidbit there. That's that's that's weird. That's definitely that's definitely weird but I do have people showing some love on on Youtube on Youtube. So Bernice said gave you a little hard Emoji. So she's Bernice says hello already going. Cherry snow says Burton and Airy Sharing Sherry. I work with. She was on my team on a show. I did this past summer another show. Oh that's that's that's lovely and Bruni says love this interview and Bernice Bernice. We love you. I don't know who you are. Well we love you too might be calling. She might be from the state where their their messaging from. Why HAVE BERNICE LEBLANC? So I'm assuming related. Yeah Okay. Yeah the family. She's my sister. Oh there you go my lovely sister. Hello Sus welcome to the Pascal. Show so Well first off. I wanted to say a big. Thank you to every to you for being on the show and of course somebody just commented. Hey from from aerial and the FAM- on ice for Arielle are yell are yelling the Fam- she says hello they say Hello Arielle in the fans say hello so they're showing love as well so we're making a lot of people very very happy and so of course before we take off. I do WANNA ask you this. Because there's so many people out here that would love to be in your shoes with the accolades. The nominations the the resume that you have the the faces and the people that you've worked with and worked on right so I gotta ask you for all those makeup artists that are in the game or aspiring to be where you are. Obviously you can't take your spot. There's no no one can take burt Leblanc spot. Not Never but for those people that are interested in wanted to pursue their dream into makeup. What would you say to them? What's a piece of advice that you give them? Well first of all know what you want know where you WANNA go. Whatever you're doing make up. That could take you a totally different. You know levels you want to be in the film industry but I mean whatever you WanNa do you have to know exactly what you want lane all out. Have some kind of plan and set yourself some bowls and stick with it. Work Your Butt off. That's what you want. First of all you want that keep working towards that goal. Because it's not gonNA happen right away. Just keep. Don't get discouraged and keep just keep plugging away awesome and player Padraig. Don't piss anybody off a like in life but just keep at it keep at it. Just don't don't give up and don't let because you're GONNA get a lot of negativity coming at you which which I have of course us like anything but you know listen you get you get you get everything good up here and stick with it and then the plan works out. This awesome one last question. One more question. Did you ever have a moment where you had to take a leap of faith? Yeah well you know what even even the beginning of handmaid's when I when they sent me the script to read I was like blown away really blown away and I was on another show American gothic before that when they sent it to you man I gotTa have this I I really this one thing I need. I need to go for this and obviously I was driven to get it and maybe you know I I hope to think that maybe it had something to do with my drive to get the show on the resume but the goal to get it. What was the word? Get One hundred hundred a face when you have your vision of the show and it's still it's aired on on TV for the public. You know. Don't know if they're going to like it. You don't know if it's going to be received so it's making to your guns at an even whatever you have for meals like. Aw and there was still like some producer. Some higher upset. Where thank you know and some females? That maybe didn't WanNa look white so rough and bad which they needed to for the show on it all worked out and it all looks great that sticking to your plan and knowing that it's GonNa work so you just don't know once they edit it together had the showrunner Bruce Miller from up to me and let you know and it doesn't always happen that way. That look really good so glad you stopped to that because there are some. That navy are questioning it so that you stick stick to the plan and stick to what you feel and stick to the vision and it paid off there because I know that there's some people that have those those leap of faith's like okay. I'm traveling out to La to pursue my career in music. Or you know. I'm going to quit my job and go after being entrepreneur on whatever it is I'm passionate about. I know that a lot of people have have have had to make the sacrifice or take that leap towards something only to find themselves soaring or find themselves very successful but they always have. There's always something that you have to kind of leave behind so that you can find that full potential to your success. You know so. It's really great to hear your side because everyone has to take that leap. You know always you know. Hopefully you keep going up. You know you've got the hills and the valleys of course ruined that to get to the good right right absolutely extinct with the stick with the plan. The plan absolutely no we want. You GotTa know what you want. No one very. You're very very right. Know what you want and stick the stick to the plan. If you gotTa make a Vision Board Make It. Why not you know and you'd be surprised what you accomplish saw. Burton thank you so much for coming onto the show. You have no idea how this how much this means to me and to the show yes anytime and by the way I love the t shirt just want to point that out. The T shirts amazing end of the show. We've got to do some fun stuff. We gifts somebody in the department. Zane these need for some of his guys like give me one of those. Yeah I love it man. I love it I need to go on to order some myself but anyway Burton. Can you tell everybody where they can find you if they have any questions to ask you that kind of thing? What's your social media and all that and how they can get in. Contact your check me out. Instagram BURTON LEBLANC INSTAGRAM. Okay I'm there. Check me out awesome. Well Burton thank you again for being on the show guys. Please go check him out on instagram. Very very wonderful and very talented individual as you already know. You're seeing him seeing him right here right now as we speak in amazing dude so definitely go check them out. 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Tracy Christian | Episode #284
"Lunch in the park tech. Can't sanitizer checks cancer screening don. We've all adapted to a new way of living. Keep your healthcare on schedule with johns hopkins medicine where your health and safety are our highest priorities. We're ready to care for you. Through virtual and in person visit across maryland and the greater washington region. Your health our experts safely caring for you your care now. Learn more at hopkins medicine dot org forward slash safe This is this. Your needs lewis. Show the number one podcast for women with your host queen kirby conversation sydney's lewis Your louis today is monday. May twenty twenty one. Make sure you follow this. Show social media pages on facebook at the lewis show and on instagram and twitter at shimmy. Show and make sure you subscribe on apple podcasts. Spotify or your favorite pot podcast provider and never miss a show today. We have a very special guest. Tracy christian is the owner of tc a management and a los angeles based boutique talent agency and the founder of santana grace. A fashion forward luxury plus size clothing line of veteran talent agent with a more than twenty years in industry. Her past clients include oscar winners. Melissa leo pay spencer and monique as well as emmy and golden globe winner. Elizabeth moss in twenty twenty. Tracy took everything she learned from years of working for textile manufacturers and designing her own wardrobe and poured it into fans. Hey grace it is a fashion forward luxury. Plus size clothing line with garments ranging from italian six silks kashmir and transitional cottons. This means the line is also sustainable. Scientific grace is designed exclusively by women and pave workers a living wage. Something that unfortunately is not the standard in the garment industry. Less welcome to the to the show. Hi i'm so excited to talk to you today. How are you. I'm doing terrific this monday. Terrific and yourself. Just happy to be alive and embiid all sometimes it. You gotta get it. Downsize element any day above ground. Say so let's learn a little bit about you before we go into your clothing line so prior to launch Scientific grave and let me know if i'm saying it right Tell us about your background because you have a very interesting background. We'll i the name of the company that the agency that i run a mg. Mt not to manage that And i only call out that difference because in our business there's a difference between agency management companies Yeah so while. I was in school look i. I think like a lot of women when you're in high school. I worked at every clothing store that there was always you know everywhere that i wanted to shop and what. I moved to los angeles to go to school. I started working for a Textile converter so i was dealing with and it was a pretty well established company. I was dealing and watching. People create the designs that appear on textile learning die techniques. Who used to. What's the job or you know Learning all of that kinda stuff watching people literally processing orders where people might order order ten million yards of fabric and then we had a mill in new jersey that actually created the out so that was a real education for me and i was still working. Various retail jobs to make ends meet All that time. I was eating and you know going from like a size fourteen sixteen ultimately i think the biggest. I've been as about as size twenty six. And you know this is before eight than fast fashion. And you know And being really unhappy with the offering in the marketplace right. There's there were handful of designers that would make an eighteen. But really what you were doing is going to lane bryant peaked around the country you know but everything was lane bryant and i'm happy they existed but when you're a young woman and you're dating you try to be flies lane lane. Bryant was not doing it so you you originally started in Like you say in the garment district in textile but you transitioned into entertainment now being a plus sized swimming in the entertainment industry even though you behind the scenes have you ever been discriminated against. How about every day No i believe every single day. You know yeah i. I've had some some experiences in this business. But you know i was saying In a recent interview you know. I'm an african american woman and it's unfortunate but it's just the reality. We are still integrating spaces when are still integrating spaces and black. Women are still integrating faces into two thousand twenty one right all of us in my generation. I'm speaking for. We've probably had a job where we were the first black person hired or the only black person there was the only woman ram you know. I think one of the things is our parents prepared us for the right. They knew the past that we were set on and some of the challenges that we were going to have. So you know. I've been trained to be the tip of the spear you know to to be you know to to open the door open and take it off the just for the next woman. I've been trained to do that. Since i was a little girl. So it's not alien to me at all Now i read that one of the reasons that you decided to start. Your clothing line was because you saw void in the plus size market and we were trying to dresses like to go to the oscars. You couldn't find anything to wear. Yeah that's true. So you know what i was a young woman. I was really just looking for hot mama close and those you know available but As i got older and and supposedly more sophisticated it was really hard. If i like i remember having the experience of getting an interview at a top agency that i want it to work at and after you get the interview. I'm thinking you know. What am i going to wear This job is gonna pay me two hundred fifty thousand dollars out of the year. I mean a year before commission. How do i walk into that office. Like i'm more to fifty thousand dollars. And i went to bullets. I went to lane bryant. I went to macy's i went to i went barney's still around there and and i couldn't find anything so i literally had to have a seamstress that i knew. Come to my office. Take my measurements and start making for me. And so what. I did a lot of times. Is i think something invoke that i liked. I would change it so that it made sense for my body and then i had. There was a fabulous woman who had a company has a company called is here in los angeles and then i would sit down with her and we make an entire wardrobe for season for me. Because i in the textile industry i knew textiles pretty well and i love to put together. You know patterns. That didn't make sense to most people so you know. I really feel like that struggle. God was preparing me to launch. Sante grace you know. And you know even This year in day and age. There's still some actresses that can't get for a war that i remember a couple years ago. Leslie jones we're saying nobody wanted to address her for the red carpet so it's still a problem. It's it's crazy you know so so she just answer your question. I'm sorry. I went off on a tangent so i was having people make my clothes and i kind of you know every once in a while someone would come up to me. It'd be like oh you know you should start cha- you made that you've got your own clothing line and it was in the back of my mind and i had a few false start. I never got further than just like getting the domain names. You know life would take over or finances or whatever then when we When the pandemic hit. I was literally at home having anxiety by the attacks but working my butt off to keep my primary business afloat the talent agency and to lend a hand and support our clients so with odd. Because it wasn't like i was. I wasn't busy right. But i just remember one night going to bed how to talk in the morning and i still a voice. I heard a voice say. Start your clothing line and i literally. It was so strong. I got up in my bed. I waited on my laptop and i registered the domain name that night. Wow that was the start from. There was history from there. It was history. Yeah so funny thing about sante grace. It's really bad french To say thanks in france and named after my grandmother who taught me how to they sell off right sometimes when i registered the name. I didn't have on my contacts. I was sleepy so so song. And instead i registered take great Well it works. Yeah right right thing happens for a reason so even before you decided to move forward with this clothing line. Were you familiar with the plus size community prior to launching or are you learning now on the job girl. This is on the job training. I'm learning. I'm learning first of all. I'm so pleased that there's a community and there's opportunity and shows like yours. You know when i was thirty years old and trying to figure out. Hey i got these tickets to the golden globes. Now what do i wear. There wasn't anything like this right like someone can download your podcast or go to a website and get a listing of you know ten or twenty websites or stores that have all types of different. You know plus size clothing. Dr didn't exist before you know. So it's It's it's fantastic that we have our own community and advocates and there's a thing as such thing as fat fashion but yeah. I'm learning all of the names of players that you know. I'm making every mistake estimates so okay. You're learning on the job about the community. What are some of the other obstacles. You're having launching your brand. The biggest obstacle is Education right. I knew i have to do the work it. You might not believe it. But i'm a pretty shy person It's not a natural thing for me to be networking or speaking to a bunch of people like one of the things. You don't do that in entertainment. I do but we have a pretty tight knit community. Right like I'm probably speaking to the same. I've been in this business twenty five years and i'm speaking so you know everybody. Yeah five hundred or so people for the last twenty five years of quote ryan people that come in and out. But if i don't know them. I know their agent or their manager. Or there's you know you want a little different this you know. I'm meeting everybody for the first hunt but I think close. I've women have been so marginalized and take advantage of that They don't have many times. It's a challenge getting women to feel like they. They're deserving of something better No you know. We're we're fortunate enough to stores or starting to pick us up. And i was in one story the other day matt. Argyll and dave a pair. This pair of pants to this woman. I did too you know. I think i'm a three okay. You know your body put on the streets but so yes see. They say great. And i'm looking at her. I said look. You are so accustomed to trying to squeeze your body into something that you just automatically say on three not as three try on the to honey and she puts on the size of our joggers and they fit like a tailored pants and you know she was practically in tears. Just like nothing ever sits me. I have to walk into stores and just asked what the biggest sizes and sometimes then it doesn't even fit like i know i know like you're not a size three. You're actually size to most of the clothes that you're wearing probably made in china. You know they're made of there You know they're not cut generously cuts for different types of body. So i think because. Our clothes are designed and manufactured by plus size women. We have a different standard like. I don't manufacture anything that i can't wear and i'm wearing five. And you know over. Two hundred and seventy five pounds. I'm on put. I'm not putting anything in the marketplace that you know when i put on. It doesn't make me feel good so we're also using like you were saying. We use a really amazing textile. A ton of stuff like though cabotage swell picture moved and i was having a conversation with one customer. And she's like who. These pants are so cute and my girl. No not that social okay. Thirty dollars a yard and forty five inches lot. not that. but we don't know because those clothes and never been made for right. So what do you think makes your brand stand out from the competitor. Well one the city right. First of all you'll find if you make a purchase these are like you probably might have to go size down if you're a petite woman but you know. I use the tagline if it because for me as a girl. Who's paul and i got stomach and a fluke by anna behind and hits and breath nothing wherever and flows. That's number one Number two you're not gonna find stretching crazy scratchy polyester and our line. You're gonna find. You know what i obsess over isabelle marais and Some law and i would literally walk into the store and be like one day. I'm gonna have a whole collection of you know smoke chiffon blouses. That look like this one day. And i thought the way to get that would be to lose weight because i'm making them now for women from fourteen to size thirty right so now i gotta educate my my consumer. Hey honey here's why fashion nova the great job. It was fashion nova does. But here's why this blouse isn't twenty five dollars right. Here's what this type of stitching mean for you. Or when i i make a address and it's cut on the bias. Here's what is gonna do for your body and here's what he's gonna do for your wardrobe instead of you wearing something five or six times and getting little balls on it or it's falling apart are or you know whatever the case may be this is the garment that's manufactured. Well enough that you'll be able to you know. Pass it down to your daughter and it'll look even better than it did when you initially bought it now. Let's talk about the price point of your Clothing line sometimes When people have luxury things for plus size women. It's a hard fail. 'cause they used to buying this Instagram boutique made in china stuff. But tell your your price point and you know why. Why is that price point so One of the things women may not know is how clothing manufacturer like he was saying. Most of a ton of stuff now especially in the night market is manufactured offshore and a by mostly black and brown people in places like mexico pakistan and china and those people do not make a living wage. It's the same. Surprisingly when things are made in the united states. a horrible thing called piece. Work where you know. You're a woman and you come into a factory and they pay you fifty cents a sleeves and if you're whatever happens you know you meant you so a hundred sleeve. That day you make fifty dollars. If you can't slow so hundred please you know it is what it is and there's no vacation. There's no 401k. There's no health insurance none of that. So we pay our workers a living wage. I don't believe that anybody who works a forty hour week. That's you that's me that are sewers. They should be able to support themselves and their kids right. I'm not saying right. Need to be rich right but what happened. In in this country you used to be able to have a high school education and go out and get a job where you could make enough money to get an apartment Like that should be the baseline. And i'm watching people whether they're you know coming from other countries works whatever but i'm watching just. It's getting harder and harder to make a living in the united states. We used to be the land of opportunity so if it means that i have to make a little less money then. That's what i'm prepared to do. I wanna make sure that people come to work and it's a healthy and happy and safe environment and that means paying people at least a minimum wage and now the The price point of your line for those from what to what so. I'd say probably the least expensive item on the website is about thirty five dollars on up to fourteen hundred so it was. It was also really important to me like we're using luxury fabrics like cashmere kashmir right but I also did want to be one of those lines where you know. A pair of pants is six hundred dollars. 'cause i know that out of the reach for the the average american woman but you know ourselves. Joggers are two hundred dollars and we offer aftertaste as will pay all of that. You know you sign up you get a discount and i think that makes it. You know you might not depending on your budget be able to you know pay for everything in one fell swoop but you know there's an opportunity to break down payments. Everybody gets to eat you know. And what's your most expensive item girl. Got it good okay. So i met a man here in los angeles who used to work for mr for saatchi. Yes yes and We work with him on a lot of our our wear and many of our suits and I designed a jacket a baseball jacket. That's all sequin. And i couldn't find anybody in all of los angeles with all of its factories. I couldn't find anybody to make this jacket. And when i found the also adolfo sat down and so this jacket for me by hand. Wow so that jacket is. Fourteen hundred dollars may nice so if a wide range of prices from audible all the way up to exclusive. So it's something for everybody. There's something for everybody. You know If you're you know to me like the hero collection a collection that we're always gonna carry and that's like are still Shamu jogger are still fun Placebo and a turban and that outfit would be five hundred dollars No you launched your Brand during the kobe. Nineteen pandemic so when you launch you know. A lot of people are on lockdown. You can't do too much but now that we're opening up a little bit. Are you going to have a launch party for your line in beverly hills I am so we're talking about A few events i again. I was so fortunate i met a woman named gene wilder here in los angeles and she is co owner of the plus bus. Yes we love her. Yes so jen is you know. She's the great wonderful odd so every idea goes through jan. She handled production management or us. She designed though we're talking about having an event at the plush I also represented celebrity hairstylist. Saying ted gibson. I think we're going to have an event for Some of our vip and for press at ted salon and a few other things that are for clients. You should do something rodeo drive. Because i went to a couple of parties on rodeo draft before they have even space spaces. They do our offices About four blocks from day. Oh yeah that'd be exciting just to have something that You know exclusive for plus five women. They wouldn't know what to do with although plus size women coming down rodeo. Sure so who. Are you looking to collaborate with in the plus industry in twenty twenty one. That's interesting I know you feel learn. You still learning everybody. There's a few that i've seen and a few models And i wanted you know. I wanna do some things there But you know. I have the collect collection for twenty twenty one all mapped out and we're doing some very leftist center. Well i won't say left. But things that i haven't really seen other plus is Companies do but i just think about less about the collaboration I want you know a stylus named june ambrose so june is far from plus is like five one. You're right but yes i've represented. I've you know off and on represented june for probably fifteen years and i love june die I love her as a person. And as a mom. And you know she and mark. I'm fabulous family but i really would like to do like a little capsule collection with june and bring her is To sante grace There's another stylish who i obsess about. Who i had the opportunity to meet paddy wilson and then i want to get to know the plus is community better. Like who's the patty wilson of plus size you know and do capsule collection and travel collection With those types of people and if you are a plus is girls somewhere and you aspire to have a career like one of these women and haven't had a platform then reach out. You know 'cause maybe there's something that we can do together absolutely and are you going to try and merge your two worlds in any way like maybe have more plus size talent on your board and try to bring a spotlight to the plus is community and entertainment. I would love to. I would love to what i I really and being very conscious about You know paying people money to endorse or be part of the sante gray's team because really what happens is the consumer ends up paying for that right And that's not what i want again. Plus size women have been taken advantage of enough I'm thankful that. I have a career where i do well so i don't have to you know. Pay my mortgage by vs dante great. I want to keep the line as affordable for women as i possibly can and so I really wanna find like who is. Oh jeez people like you right like you've built your following from the ground up and people reliably right so for me. It's less about and and look as an agent. I negotiate the deal. It's less about finding someone that you know an entertainment and they happen to be a size twenty giving them a check and having them you know endorsed alive. I would much rather find. You know some young woman who reminds me of me when i was twenty five years old. You know who's a grad student and trying to get a great job and trying to have a social life or a mom that fifty. And whatever and i would much rather dress. Those people That's good line is really for so you're not gonna pull strings and get it on. Tv shows Well some people have already told okay. Yeah they've already. They've already done that. Yeah so i'll make those announces. I'm so bad at that. So bad about you posted on instagram. Before grace i didn't even have an instagram okay So you didn't run the one for your agency. You have somebody to do that. we if you look at the tda Instagram we had one but it was only like what would we like host twice a month. You know like being having. Yeah it's it's attraction not promotion. You know love yeah. So it's not something that we really do. it was more about. Just you know if there was some information or you know an article that was written about diversity. We post that or some type of platitude but shawn on grey's anatomy tonight. You don't do those type of things no really no 'cause what that's my job like getting clients opportunities. That's my job. I don't stay in business if i don't. I don't feel like that's worthy of applause. No what. I will do what i will do. Is you know like during the pandemic my client teacher campbell's soldier scripted series. So you know when that was announced. I'll share the announcement But yeah like that's what is like if you're a heart surgeon. You're not posted on instagram. Dave another life today like true true true. So what is the ultimate goal of your career and brand. No i think it moore's Every week but but really. I would like to set a new standard for plus size clothing. I of course. I plan to be and we're going to be incredibly successful and morph into a lifestyle brand and what that means to me is like already. We have close. We started to experiment with shoes a little bit that we have these amazing campbell's that are handmade here in los angeles that we a fragrance. But you know. I would like to continue to grow the line organically so that it represents our lifestyle you know for the sante grace woman. You should be able to get up in the morning and based on race in your hair on your body. brush your teeth with it. You know everything and where to the office. Yeah so do you have anything else happening that we can be on the lookout for that. Maybe we didn't get to cover so watching comic book and that will be used to promote this summer and spring. Line which god willing will be launching in the weeks or less. Yeah may maze. Good for you. I'm excited with everything you have going on with before you go. Tell us your official website and your social media pages so the west side is onto grace dot com which is s. a. n. t. e. g. r. a. c. e. dot com on i. g. where dante grace On facebook where dante grace and on youtube we are shop. Dante great Oh tell for your listeners. Yeah there's anybody in los angeles and you have various making videos or you know you want model What are the kids. They hit me up me. Or whatever are definitely refers them actually. I have a facebook. Group called the los angeles plus community. So i don't know if you're on facebook but Add me as a friend and i and you into that group. Oh thank you. that's so kind of here. Yeah so. I'll do that. Yeah anyway you know. I can support. Just let me know. And i don't know if you know this but i'm an actress too so let's see how we can help each other. Okay send me your demo. Reel says let's see what we can do together is found good so thanks again for taking the time to talk with me today and enjoy the rest of your day. 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The OA: Questions Well Never Have Answered
"The oh a is over and we're not okay this netflix original was one of our favorite series and after two seasons it sadly it has been cancelled so we are going to talk today about those two mind-bending seasons and what we think could be the future of the way in a world where your friends and coworkers don't understand your movie ortiz obsession or jamie obsession where you just want someone one anyone to share your binge watching watching it. Shannon and favor are here for you. Your wait is over. Stinger starts orch now now now i everyone i'm shannon and i'm faye dress. Welcome to stinger t._v. Movie podcast where every other week we are talking about t._v. And movies that's what we do. We talk about our favorites. We talk about fan favorites. We dive into the past week. Go into the future. We talk about a little little bit of everything and we do talk a lot about netflix and netflix original shows. That's what we're going to be talking about today and if it is is your first time joining us. Why have you waited so long. <hes> but what we want to tell you is the way we normally run. This show is as we chitchat right. If we have anything interesting to say if we don't we kind of skipped chitchat and we go into what we're watching for the week and then we dive into what we call the stinger topic of the week which this week is the o._a. And shannon do you have any chitchat you would like to share. I really don't have a lot of chat <music>. I've kind of been hanging out. <hes> this summer has been a little bit of a bomber. My daughter had a tonsilectomy sinus surgery so we've just been and sitting in the house a lot. Oh that's the worst yeah it's a bummer for her so i've kind of been waiting on her and trying to find the right foods for her to eat because you know like any normal kid would be thrilled to have putting an ice cream for a week or two and she doesn't want that like she likes really savory foods. Oh me too chips and things like that so she is just miserable so yesterday. We found some like pasta salad and macaroni salad that soft enough so she's. She's happy with that listen. I feel you girl. I still have this very distinct memory. It was the i think it was the summer before i went into first grade or second grade and i had to have my tonsils out and get this. I went into the hospital and they were defrosting in the freezer so they had no ice cream what they could offer us lukewarm jello and then when i got at home it just so happened. My family didn't really buy junk food too often that they had just come out with a brand new flavor of doritos goes sour cream and onion doritos which are no longer on the market that came in a green bag and i was dying to try them and doritos aren't really taught selected me <music> ono so when i say i feel you girl i do. I do yeah well my tonsils. I was gonna say my tonsils are fine but no my tonsils are actually gone gone so yeah. I've been good just doing a lot of tourists in my own town kind of stuff. This summer and i have been very disappointed in the movie season yeah. I thought summary used to be the time for blockbusters every week. We're like oh. Let's go to the movies. Some really wanna see like yeah. Let's go see the kitchen. I was actually pretty excited to see that but now i'm not even going to waste the money because the reviews from literally everyone have been so bad guy it should it is about three mob wives and their husbands get sent to prison and they decide. They're going to kind of take over the business but reform reform at a little bit. I don't know exactly what they're deal is but it melissa mccarthy tiffany haddish and elizabeth moss. I'm like oh my god great cast and i love elizabeth moss. I really enjoy yeah melissa mccarthy so i was totally going to go see it. I was like ready to go and then i started like review after review after review everyone's like don't even bother so so no and then everyone's telling me that that's stupid door. Movie is amazing which i can't. I know everyone says it's the best and i can't bring myself to go see it. I just can't it's gotten really good reviews. Though i mean from what like six year old no from a lot out of people okay all right. I'll let you take that one. Take one but but you know i would love to use that as a segue into what i'm watching watching this week and you're probably wondering how i'm going to use that segue 'cause. I'm gonna talk about elizabeth moss for saturday okay so she is of course the star of the handmaid's tale also in or was in madman and she is also a scientologist. Did you know that oh ooh yes. That's sad so i'm bringing this up because lately i've been kind of obsessed with scientology and there's this fantastic documentary that i watched on h._b._o. Chb yo called going clear and it's kind of a behind the scenes look at scientology and it's really really fascinating like if you ever wondered what it's all about <hes> who l ron hubbard was what tom cruise has to do with all of it. It is fascinating. It is mesmerizing. It is ridiculous. It is shocking. I know you're not a documentary person but i just thought it was. I liked the medication now now. Don't don't completely knocked me out of the documentary game. Well you know what you know what i really noticed so i've watched marvel's runaways on hulu and right and i really liked that show and there's that whole like cult like thing in runaways. Yes it's very clear that it is based entirely on scientology interesting. Oh yes oh yes so it's anyway. It's fascinating so after i watched that documentary i'm like what other celebrities are scientologists and and i was pretty surprised seal with moss and it made me just kind of like oh okay yeah. That's too bad. I know that's how i feel but i okay. I did watch some some other non document well. No i did watch another documentary. There's a they call it. A limited series on netflix called the family spifer good stuff about this yes speaking of of religious fringe so the family is they call it a limited series but it's basically like a multi part documentary about this organization that sometimes called the brotherhood or the fellowship. Sometimes it's called c. street and i'm only two episodes in but it's this very conservative the christian secret society. I guess you could say that is that believes that <hes> many any of these politicians are put into power by god and therefore they think it is their duty to ensure these men stay in power to do the lord's work okay. <hes> is adam devine in this who's adam devine. He was pitch perfect his comedian. I'm i think i'm pretty sure trump thinking of something else i i. I'm thinking of a movie then you might not be because this is while it's kind of like a documentary. It's kind of like a story. They have dramatic. I don't wanna say reenactments but they have some dramatize parts and they have some stars in it like james. Cromwell is in it in playing is kind kind of funny and parts. I wouldn't say that now okay. I think i'm thinking of something else okay. I can't imagine it's the same thing but there was just some. There's a pretty sure it's a movie that adam devine bovine is in and it's. I just feel like it has a similar vein but i'm gonna have to look it up and we'll put a pin in that for now yes so so the family. I'm going to reserve judgment on that. I've heard it's good. I heard some people say like oh. My god it is so shocking fascinating. Whatever <hes> i'm i'm going to reserve judgment until i finish that one okay i have. I also speaking of net flicks. After last episode. Shannon talked about this movie. Deadly obsession with some chick from the disney shows owes secret obsession o. secret obsession yeah okay yeah okay brenda song brenda. The song and i don't know you said it was so bad and that made me just like i don't know i just wanted to watch it like a friday night and i said i would like to watch something. That's kind of cheesy that i could totally just make fun of and not really pay attention to and that was that movie for me and i'm watching it going god. This guy looks really familiar miller and he i don't know his name but he played dale barbara in under the dome barbie s. yeah yeah so it's like okay. It was kinda stupid kind of predictable kind of but i had fun watching it and we've talked about it in our discussion groups so that was fun and then i'm going a little old school on some t._v. Show so my my son's been watching the old star trek which is a net flicks so i've been catching up on some of those episodes with him because i love the original and i started a new show new you to me show arrested development goo which i was very confused because if you if you look it up this show dates from two thousand three to twenty nineteen i'm like that show has not been on that law yes yeah so it was on for like two years and then it stopped and then it came back and then it stopped and then netflix picked it up for a few episodes and then it stopped and then like just came back so located it's complicated but it took me a couple of episodes. I was like it's fun. It's entertaining but last night it was actually laugh out loud funny some really getting into it and it has a lot of stars on it like even jazz before. They were really big stars but it's fun. It's funny. I i and on my list. That's something i've always wanted to go back and watch yeah and it's getting me in that whole jason bateman an ozone park mood. Yes yeah so what you've been watching us. Well speaking of ozark segue to breaking bad okay so very similar alert to ozark. I've finished it and i will just absolutely make the statement that it is the best show ever it is consistent stint awesome for five seasons straight and the series finale was perfection. <hes> you know i've heard people for years saying how great breaking bad is and now i am in the camp of agreement just so you know i know of two different people whose opinions i respect the told me they thought it was the best show however <hes> it really is okay really is yes so that is done sadly. I think my husband and i are going to watch better call saul next. Which is the the spin off of breaking bad so i watched the boys on amazon prime. I think i talked about this last week but it it it was very good very gritty the rod nasty raunchy just just good good good good stuff <hes> a lot of unexpected things happen like you know. It's the kind on his show where all of a sudden it's like the snap of a finger and someone gets murdered like those shocking moments that you're just like oh my god. This main character is gone. You know that that kind of thing and speaking of shocking moments where people die <hes> we watched bad times at the el royale now. This movie was out a while l. ago and my son watched it and he kept saying you know it's got like ten <hes> tarantino vibe. You guys a loved. He kept telling my husband and i we would love it so we watched the other day. I believe it was like free on our you know cable or something like that. I don't know where it streaming so. I can't say anything about that but we did. Watch gotcha through our d._v._r. So anyway. It was really awesome. Got a lot of good stars at chris. Hemsworth is in it. <hes> ooh oh god jeff bridges. That's his name jeff. Bridges was was fantastic in it very good very good movie definitely recommend that if anybody hasn't seen that yet and i watched other hood the netflix original that's about a group of moms whose sons forget them on mother's day and then they go and try to connect with them and that's like your typical. We'll take a step above a hallmark movie i would i would kind of call it. I enjoyed it was totally my demographic and i enjoyed that movie and the last thing you want to mention is beverly hills nine. Oh two one. Oh yeah the reboot that everybody was so people were flipping out about this because i don't know what people expect it. I didn't have any expectations i i was like. I'm going to see it because i liked that show. I really enjoyed it. When i was a teenager i watched it. I'm curious to see what they're gonna do with a reboot. I think everyone was expecting it to be like everybody from the peach pit grownup having their own lives or something like that and what they did with this show which is a cool little spin is the pilot episode is about out the actors that the real life actors and they all come together to do a night. Oh two one oh convention type of thing that they do a panel and there's fans asking questions and you know you dive a little bit into each of their backgrounds and their backgrounds mirror real life all right. They're not exactly real life for each of the actors but they definitely strongly mirror a lot of things that have gone on with these people these actors and then at the end of the pilot episode sewed tori spelling is like hey. I need money. We should do a reboot so so it'd be really cool to see where they're gonna go from here but a lot of people were just really disappointed. They were very upset that it was the real characters dirt and not you know brenda and everybody else but i liked it. I thought it was neat the way they did it that it was a little twist on a usual reboot another layer that they can add in where they can kind of play off the real actors lives and then doing an actual reboot. I think it sounds like an abysmal failure was luke perry in it at all no but they did a nice little tear jerker <hes> oh my gosh to him at the very end <hes> <hes> i think they could have done it more like <hes> big chill style where maybe they all gathered gather together for the funeral of dylan. Maybe i don't know i don't know how you would do that respectfully but they started actually think they filmed a lot of it before. He died yeah so well. It doesn't matter. I'm not gonna watch it anyways. Gonna watch it so hello anyone out there. Who's interested you can continue to hear my thoughts or join our facebook group because everybody's talking about it on there except for me. Actually i talked about it too. I was like well. What a question. I asked a question yes so here's the thing guys as you noticed. Shannon and i have very different tastes ace in what we watch. There are definitely things that we both like like the o._a. But there are things that you know just we just differ in what we like or differ for in opinion on and so that's what our facebook group is great for. It's called t._v. Movie discussion with stinger on facebook. It's a public group opened anybody to join. Come and talk about what you're watching. Ask questions about what you should be watching. Get opinions fan girl over something fan boy over something. Whatever it is that you want to do we would love to have you you there but we would also love to have you connect with us on social media. That's right we're at stinger podcast on all the social media platforms and we also have a wonderful little website called stinger universe dot com so if you are not in a position right now to remember all of this and and you want to connect with us just checkout stinger universe dot com and you can find our social media oliver podcasts our phone number three one five stink t._v. You can call and leave us any kind of comment or message or suggestion. We would love to hear from you or even if you have questions because we will answer your questions yes however over. There are questions. That won't be answered. That's right. We're diving diving into our singer. Topic of the week. Questions will will never have answered about the way the oh as a netflix original series it has two seasons and as we've said multiple times now this podcast has been sadly canceled wall so we're gonna discuss that today and and i thought i don't know if this is a good idea or not because this shows so complicated i kind of thought we would try to just discuss a little synopsis this some sort of synopsis for this show. It really defies a synopsis but i don't know. Do you think we can do it. We can do it. We can we can can do it and for those of you don't know this. I was a huge fan of season one in fact. I think i convinced you to watch it shannon right. Yes yes you did tell me to watch it. Yes i thought it was one of the most amazing incredible original things i'd ever seen on television. I mean just the fact that the first episode is an hour and a half long and i think it's like forty five minutes in before the credits even roll it. I was like what what is this show so. Where do we begin our well. Let's just start at the beginning okay prairie johnson. She returns home to her small town and her kind of elderly parents right after seven year disappearance. Now these are her adoptive parents parents we find out and we also find out that she used to be blind before she disappeared and now seven years later. She's not blind so so she doesn't wanna talk. She won't really talk about where she's been. She seems to kind of be in shock and slowly the story unravels so she ends up <hes> connecting with five other people in her hometown kind of the misfits of the town and and it's through these nightly storytelling experiences that she has with these people that we learn what really happened to her and she actually brings them into into her world and we find out that this is really a story about near death experiences or maybe not even near death. Maybe we could call them life after death experiences because they do actually die and it turns out they die again and again and again so prairie is actually kept locked up as a captive with sort of a mad scientist. I'm super simplifying things now but one of the things i loved was the intimate storytelling storytelling of this show. You really felt like it just was unlike anything i'd ever watched before and it's not just about these near death experiences. It's about them connecting with. I guess potentially three other dimensions right. It's it's really unclear because we learn the story that prairie was actually a young girl in russia named nina and she had been involved in an accident and died and while she was dead she communicated with a woman named cotton catoon catoon okay and this woman gave her the option to return to live but said she would have to take her side away if she went back so she goes back and then stuff happens and nina ends up getting adopted because is her father died and no actually her father didn't die at that point he sent her away right because he was some kind of oligarch or like something some kind of bad guy in russia shaw winter safety right yes enter away and this is when she gets adopted and becomes prairie so this cat captain is outfitted soon could soon could this catoon person kind of reappears throughout the story because we learned that the other captives okay hap- the mad scientist has several people in captivity that he's doing these experiments on to induce near death experiences news and we find out that cancun is actually giving these people these movements now in the i._m. Say in the first season. I almost lost me. I was like what the hell is. This moment tune only gives the movement to prairie prairies. The only one that sees catoon catoon and catoon is really like this mystical spiritual <hes> catoon. It's actually a figure if you google it that has it's an arabic nick term and <hes> but there are allusions to <hes> german myths and her face is covered in braille and the braille rails supposedly says angel and shepherd so i mean there's a lot going on but catoon only appears to prairie really yes everyone else. Some of the other people who came back said they were given movements those were they given them by well if you but i don't think they necessarily saw catoon if you remember like homer he swallows the fish and that's where he gets the movement from odd yeah you guys there was all this swallowing of yeah fish and stuff so so weird okay so anyway. You've probably seen season one. This is just kind of jog your memory so they end up learning these five movements not really sure what the movements mean gene but recognizing that these movements have powers they have healing powers and then they finally discover that all five movements will open a portal to to another dimension. I guess they think and they also brought somebody back to life. They brought back to life in the first season. They brought back to light something. Oh i definitely want to talk about in our questions section. Yes and they healed the the sheriff's wife and <hes> right right yeah. There were a lot of things that happened in season one and i thought it was such a beautiful show. The last season ends up with a school shooting and people. I think think felt uncomfortable by that. They felt sort of ambivalent about the ending like was it real. Was she really telling the truth but i think that was the whole point was to raise questions questions and not just hand it to you on a batter absolutely and at the end prairie gets shot by the school shooter and she's hauled away in an ambulance and there are just subtle indications that lead us to believe that she's dying but is she really dying or is she moving to another dimension and that was kind of the open question at the end of season season one right right and i think we pretty much knew that she was going to something was going to happen to her and not that isn't death because otherwise there wouldn't be a season right now. If you thought that was confusing elbow then we go to season two and things just get a whole new level of bat shit crazy all right so let me just start by giving my overall thoughts about season two. I was looking so forward to this show but when a show is practically perfect perfect in my mind which season one was i loved it so much i remember watching the first episode of season two going um okay and then season and then episode two and three and four and as it went on i was like wait. Wait what and i have to say is disappointed with the season. I'm not saying i didn't like it. Although i it didn't really like it it just felt very different than the first season and it left. I feel like it may be answered some questions uh-huh but it opened up more questions that i felt like a lot of parts of season two negated everything we learn in season one. That's what i'm trying to say. Yes and there's actually have a theory about that. Okay talk about at the end but i do agree. I think i liked it a little more than you. I i did really like it it. I still think it's a beautiful show. I just think season two went like just two steps. It's too far and they'll do little indulgent out of people yeah. It was just there was too much. I don't know i really enjoyed the story with kareem. He was a private investigator. He's hired to find this woman's missing granddaughter michelle good actor by yes. I like him. A lot and michelle. L. ends up being buck in the other dimension which was one of the five that prairie recruited to help her. Do the movements okay. That's that's a short story there right so what happened in season two do is we found out that when when hap and his captives and prairie all made the jump or or all died this this this portal to another dimension actually took them to pretty much the same time the sorry the same place the same some time yeah i guess that's right way to say in another dimension as themselves but in they jump into the bodies of themselves in that dimension right so i say that right i think so yeah it's it's them but they remember except for homer. They all remember who they were in the other dimension so right so what and what we ended up finding out is that this is almost like a fork a different path that all these people could have taken so prairie is no longer prairie. She's now nina who was as a grownup version of the young girl she was back in russia and we presume that this path is the path that maybe would have happened had she not been in. Ah bus or van that careened off the side of the road resulting in all of the children dying in her going blind this is her. She was obviously very wealthy so yeah maybe nothing happened to her father right yeah yes so having grown up in russia having had a good life a normal life <hes> going to college becoming successful and wealthy and prairie enters this body and more or less enters her life uh-huh uh-huh and that was a question and i had to what happens to those people when you enter their body yeah they don't. I don't know they don't really answer that question. I mean they do show later on in the season that that nina is still inside her consciousness because <hes> prairie learns to figure out how to coexist with nina's memories and thus that point where she tries to like drowned one of her in the bathtub triton she tries to i think reunite the forking timeline. It's yes so we don't know we don't know one of the one of the things. I really enjoyed about season. Two was the whole house puzzle situation which i was talking about the private investigator kareem he is trying to find michelle and he comes across this house and apparently there's a corporation which we find out is is run by ruskin who was actually nina's boyfriend. I think they kind of arrest in seattle eight. Ruskin sounds remarkably like alon right my husky yes so he's he's this powerful person any creates this game kind of an app on your phone that lors kids in okay to solving this puzzle of the house because he believes that the house house is a portal to another dimension but you have to solve the puzzle to unlock its secrets turns out he's right i at least we think he has and throughout the course of season two kareem is on a quest to figure out this house and he does come into contact with prairie and a lot of things things happen but in the meantime back in the other dimension we've got the kids right right and and there's they somehow sense. I don't know we we don't want to rehash the whole thing but we do wanna mention that they are b._b. Is sensing that the the oas in trouble and they all kind of just take off and go to the beach and i don't even know what that was one thing. That bothered me about this. I don't know what they were doing. What did they think they were gonna do they didn't they just there was something that that buck saw in a mirror a person that they didn't even know that somehow they thought was it it it was like very abstract concepts that they hold together okay like because i just read a whole recap at this because it's been awhile since i watched this and buck her boxall rachel who was one of the captives with prairie singing a song in the mirror and when and she tried to recreate the song they found out that the note she was singing were b. b. b. a. and i'm like really okay. That's a stretch and then we have the poltergeist moment with e._p._a. Be a in the t._v. And it was just it was a lot okay and i didn't like that. We only saw that group. Maybe every third episode that there was no connection between them and there was nothing that made them say she's alive. We have to go find. We have to go help or they. It was just like this random string of events right yeah and that's that's the thing about that that whole story line because i liked liked those characters and i wanted to see what was going to happen but it didn't it didn't connect too much for me yes yes and then you know we have jesse who dies and and i don't know why he died. I lived there was no. I can only think that in a future episode that was somehow going to come into play yeah. That makes sense again. Questions will never have answered so yeah. There's this whole like road trip thing and there's the prairie slash nina thing and then there's the kareem slash michelle the thing and the house and they were trying to make it all work and instead we end up with an octopus and a tree and i there were many times where i'm like wait. What is i feel like they had a plan for that. That would have come into play much more that that's go into my ultimate theory at the end. Okay i'm going. I'm going to allow that so so more more or less all right. Let's let's try and distill down on season. Two so season two was everybody's in this other dimension and they're just figuring out what this inter dimensional travel is all about. They meet other travelers or another traveler. We learned that hap- is just as nutty but his intentions are good not really but yes. He really just wants to figure out this whole inter dimensional traveler thing he doesn't really want to kill people he just wants to grow flowers out of their ears and eat them and whatever trump. I mean you guys if i actually sat down and said okay. Let me tell you what the show's about you and you had never watched it. You'd be you like what exactly right exactly okay so we have to talk about the end of the end. That was hugely significant. Okay so <hes> what ultimately happens is you don't have by way of another traveller finds out how to make the movements into robots so the robots gore's which is saying but that was another thing that drove me nuts was ridiculous but half gets the o._a. Into this position where she's surrounded by the robots and he starts the movements and he ends up <hes> homer finally remembers who he is he goes after the uh-huh a and hap shoots him and prairie tells the dying homer to find her that they're gonna find each other in another dimension so so then they jump okay now at the same time in the original dimension b._b. A consensus that the oh as endanger and they all start doing the movements frantically steve collapses and at the same time kareem kareem in the house. That's apparently early. He's a solve the puzzle of the house and he's unlocked the portal to another dimension that just happens to be through a window in the attic of this house yes and he's looking out the window and he sees prairie floating in the sky and then she falls because bird hits her okay the the bird from her mouth probably have anyway so we're supposed to believe uh i think that at that point that she falls is when she jumps from that dimension into this other one and the camera we're kind of pans out and we see holy shit happened prayer. You're filming a t._v. Show and they start talking to each other in the real names okay like brit which which is the actress that the the woman that created the show britain prairie brit marling and jason. They're talking to each other in their real names like they're actors so we're like okay. Wait now now in this other dimension there themselves in real life creating eating this show the oh a right which people are like. Oh my god. That's so meta and i and i was like that's stupid. That's the i. I didn't think it was stupid. I really enjoyed it. I really did and that was the point where i was like. Okay i have ideas about what where this could be going. Okay well. I was is not happy with the ending and i pretty much was like are you serious and then they take away in an ambulance and we see steve running towards her. Yes and catching up and there are rumors not rumors theories. That steve is actually homer. Homer isn't steve's body that they're sharing body body. I don't know about that. I'll just mention that well because what happened to homer and we haven't seen him yet but and why there and why wasn't steve steve actually the actor who plays steve. Why didn't he have that name and his own accent because he's actually a british guy yeah yeah but doesn't it just didn't make sense so i. I don't know if people generally felt as disappointed in season two as i did and i don't know if that is what contributed to the cancellation of it. I don't suspect it did. We'll talk about why we think. The show was cancelled but what we want to talk about is sort of what we're are open questions about it. What did we want answered in season three because you guys who have nothing else to do with those questions since they're not going to be answered so some of mike or are they now sh- well some of my questions i know one of my questions was was prairie really the original angel or any sort of angel yeah because i'm thinking angel is not the kind of determine angel enjoy as in god that we're thinking i'm thinking it's going to mean something out more like an astral traveller <hes> someone who travels across dimensions because because by the end you you know i'm like are they really just time travelers jumping across dimensions like what did original angel even mean. I think she has a purpose. I think she is something thing special that her ultimate purpose is to maybe make more people realize the depth of the world we live in and that's kind of my thought well. I don't think she did a really good job of that and also like what was the deal with a hey. Why was b._b._c. so special yeah. I didn't follow that. I mean like to know that too. I saw somewhere that open as really a medium. I'm like really 'cause when when were we supposed to figure that that out. I wasn't clear who actually traveled with the movements at the end of season two so we know that you know hap- app was having the movements done we know hap- jumped we know prairie jumped we know steve jumped but what happened to homer did he transfer but not with them and what happened to the other kids like b._b._a.'s. Why didn't they go someplace. I really do think that homer jumped because he got shot and we've seen before like when prairie got shot so there's very similar parallels here from the end of one season to the end of the season into because in the embassies in one prairie shot she was in the ambulance. Steve was running after her okay and the indices to prairies injured in the ambulance <unk> steve's running after her so it's kind of a similar thing and i just think that because homer was shot that he is going wind. I mean he was right there. He was in the circle. I think that he is actually be that. That's why the the theory that homer jumped bumped into steve. I don't completely discount it but i do definitely think homer is going to be there but there's it's their love story ultimately. It's their love story so i think he's got to be around. He can't just be gone right. I don't know i just i had so many issues with it and then they lead us to believe that you have to die to jump rice was a big problem. I have right right the whole thing of like how some people can be brought back to life. Why couldn't they bring jesse back to life. They all try to do the movement steve like stood there for an entire day doing the movements on the beach trying to bring jesse back and it didn't work and yeah i don't know do you remember the woman that hap- met who said she was a traveller who was like or yeah yeah and sh- they lead you you to believe that she that she dies right well she yes she collapsed on the floor right and it was clear that she called the ambulance to come and pick her <hes> and yet and then she shows up again right so she didn't die yeah. I don't yeah yeah questions. <hes> these are questions. We don't have the answer to guys. We will not get the answer to and i. I almost feel like there's no possible way. They could explain it properly. Like how can it be that some people could come back to life and some people can and some some people have to die to jump in some don't like i just i don't. I don't know well. Here's the thing here's the thing that drives me crazy. There are answers. We just won't know them because i know that when brit marling and her <hes> creative partner zahle but i practiced his name zell but mangla jr that's in that language like okay yeah i practiced i listened to say they actually created a five season plan for the o. A. and they had had a plan to have it run for five seasons and what kind of makes me mad is there was a quote from cindy holland. Who was the vice president of original channel programming at netflix. I don't know if she still there but she said i think though is fantastic i think from the very beginning when britain's out pitched us a five season arc doc we were really excited and sat at the edge of our seats when they started talking about season two so it was clear that netflix was like okay we recognize this as a five season story so we only got two fifths of the story so while the details weren't all fleshed out it was clear that they knew where this this was supposed to end up and and i want to know and i don't know if that means that this could be a movie which i don't think it would be a good movie because you can't wrap up three pre-seasons in two hours now. I don't know if there's a possibility for another network to pick it up. I don't know if netflix might bring it back. At some point. The thing about net flicks is they don't ever release numbers so we can't say well it had poor viewership and that's why it was canceled. There's no the reason that was given white was cancelled. There were some suspected theories why it was canceled but yes so there. There are some ideas of why the show has been cancelled there are obviously campaigns and petitions and all of that stuff that actually means nothing to hashtag saved the away now. The recent one is hashtag the o._a. Is israel and people are trying to come up with look. People on reddit are gathering testimonials on how the o. A. has changed to people's lives. There's also tons of art inspired by the way i mean you can imagine with the octopus and the trees and all that where you can go with some of this beautiful art fans create. I saw some really amazing ones on on twitter so this is just indication of how meaningful that the show has been to the viewers and like you said we have no idea the viewership but i to want to just mention that oh a flash mobs are thing okay. Apparently this has been done several times and most recently like a week or two ago. There was a flash mob where everyone did the movements in support of bringing the show back so people are memorizing and doing the movements jason isaac actually has a step-by-step video on his instagram showing out to do all the movements which i think is great and how's that working out. I guess i guess not too well. You know the show has gotten critical acclaim. That's another another reason why it's so frustrating you know there was one quote from john doyle of the globe in mail he said though as unclassifiable in the context of drama mystery jury science fiction and fantasy since it is straddling all sorts of lines blurring them it is outright astounding and brilliant to this is it is it really kind of crosses all genres well. There was a theory that people said that the cancellation was really just a meta marketing campaign campaign. I would love for this to happen and i just say that well and i thought maybe but then but then i've read quotes that said that people in the know were like no no yeah i try nice thinking it's not but it would be so freaking cool if it was so going back to the creators of the show <hes> this is this is what's so frustrating so they said they spent a good year and a half up front before they even wrote the first chapter and this is how this team generally works because i saw an interview with them on another series back in two thousand eleven and they generally love the creative freedom that comes with working with like net flicks or web series where there's no limitation to the content so they can tell a story but it's never quite complete and they always create these stories in mind with like how could we branch it off in this direction or <hes> you know take this to new depths so they took a year and a half to what they called designed the labyrinth breath and make sure that there was something at center that would feel worthwhile to arrive at and. I don't think we quite made it there with season two. I don't think we arrived at that. The center definitely not so why did net flicks cancel this critically acclaimed fans loved it genre defying defying which can be a good thing or it can actually be a bad thing from a marketing standpoint but what i read was that the service netflix netflix is likely to cancel many series even once with established fan bases after just two seasons because what they are finding is that extra seasons of shows past that are unlikely to bring in new subscribers so that's the priority right now is to bring in new subscribers to net flix because as we've talked about in the past there's so much competition out there right dreaming like we mainly talk about the big three hulu prime video uh-huh and net flicks but c._b._s. In it disney's getting into it talked. I think we just need to be a major player. Oh yes well and they own hulu now and i talked about. There's a you know a horror streaming service. There is a streaming service for pretty much everything down now yeah and and i think people are going to be i. I just think that that they're ruining tv by creating all these different paths because that's that's like that's that's like the pick and choose cable model like oh you want these channels. These five channels like no. I don't want that. I just want a couple of things that have a lot of different shows for me to watch yeah and i have to say i don't necessarily disagree with netflix vision there because i personally would prefer most shows only go oh two to three seasons but you need to set that expectation upfront and finisher damn story right you know like a awada series have just is gone on for way too long and i don't need to see it and you get bored and i totally get that. Netflix wants to put its money into new stuff. Bring in new people and new eyeballs. That's great well and i. I even read where people said if net flicks had told the creators that it would have two seasons to tell their story right. It wouldn't have ended on a cliffhanger like that. They would have an end. You can tell that the creators were just as surprised as the fans were that the show was cancelled and brit marling. Actually <hes> published a letter about it that i think is worth reading if i may just to give closure to the fans of o._a. She posted on instagram and i'm sure it's other places too so here are some of the excerpts from the letter that she wrote dear fans of the o._a. Some of you may know already ready or some of you may be learning from this letter that netflix will not be continuing the o._a. Zahle and i are deeply sad not to finish this story. The first time i heard the the news i had a good cry so did one of our executives at netflix who has been with us since the early days when we were sketching out hap- spaceman on the floor of our production office in queens means. It's been an intense journey for everyone who worked on and cared about this story. We imagined that the collective is stronger than the individual all we imagined that there is no hero we imagined that the trees of san francisco and a giant pacific octopus had voices we could understand and ought to listen into we imagined humans as one species among many and not necessarily the wisest or most evolved. We imagine movements that got unlikely people people in rooms together got the moving got them willing to risk vulnerability for chance to step into another world that is what the o._a. Has been for sale and i and every every other artist who joined us the chance to step into another world and feel free in it we feel profound gratitude to net flix and the people we have worked with there for making it possible possible to make part one and part two. We feel proud of those sixteen uncompromised hours in large part millions upon millions of you have given us. It's the sense of pride by watching with the comments. You've left the art. You've made the red it theories you've sown the movements performed in public squares bedrooms nightclubs clubs backyard's all over the world while we cannot finish this story. I promise you we will tell others. I haven't figured out any other effective coping mechanism awesome for being alive in the anthroposophy seen. I don't know what that means. Maybe in some ways. It's okay not to conclude these characters. Steve wind chill will be suspended in time in our imaginations infinitely evolving forever running after finally reaching the ambulance and away that last part i thought was it's kind of that was kind of poignant to think about that. That steve is forever kind of trapped in that state. You know yeah yeah. It's interesting. I can see why a lot out of what she says here. People have read into because people have over analyzed her statement and that is where some of the theories have come that us is all a publicity stunt. I don't think it is. I don't either but as i said i would. I would love it if it was but there are some cool theories. There was one in particular that i found on read it that i really liked this. Person thought that a third season could reference the show's cancellation and possibly have use it as a way to manipulate manipulate the way so in each dimension hap and prairie recruit a group of individuals to help them travel between dimensions agents right but in season three this person thinks that their objective could be the same but the tool that they use to recruit people as a netflix show the show that we've been watching and in this dimension they use the show to create and develop an intense fan base that believes in the o._a. And ultimately <hes> this this person i'd read it thinks that it's a commentary on the relationship between creators and the phantom and i think that's you know that's a sweet nice way of thinking of it and it's kind of cool. I don't but not likely that is the yes yeah so i did some thinking about this show and what i thought overall only seeing two out of their five stories being being told what i think maybe they were trying to get out there and here's what i came up with. I feel like the we always purpose as i said before she's not an angel in the sense of god but her purpose is to free mines that she has has been taught and brought here to teach society how to transcend our captivity in the space and time that we believe we exist in and the fact that others like hap understand this to naturally causes some people use it for evil because whenever there is something powerful or profound there's going to be so many using it for good and someone using it for evil of course so that is kind of my theory about what it all means. Thank you thank you there. You go guys if you wanted to wrap it up shannon and just took care of it for you. We don't need those other three seasons. You know i think this is kind of going to go down in the books. As what was that one that we started to watch firefly the liberal like gone too soon. I think it's going to be one of those shows. That's going to end up becoming even bigger because it's gone and right and we'll continue to talk about it. I would love to see them on a panel. I would love to see them at like a comecon or or something like that yeah just to hear where they would have gone with. It and i think somehow some way the conclusion. Their intended conclusion of the story is going to come out and also i hope so i don't know but until then we will have to just keep our eye on what is to come from britain zell. If you're looking for something to watch in the meantime time they do have a movie. They produced called the sound of my voice. It was from two thousand eleven. It was at the sundance film festival and i won't won't bore you with the summary but i could definitely see some parallels to the away so and that raising is that right now you can rent it on prime video or read box among other places so but there will be more to come and net flicks white. Gotta do is like that yeah well. There's still a chance. I still have hope nope okay now. Things have come back. Things have come back right so i still have hope and i have a closing line. Okay was spoken by prairie johnson. You are not free just because you can see the ocean. Captivity is a mentality. It's a thing you carry with you so thank thank you all for listening to our complicated discussion of the o. A. and we will catch you next time. Everybody bye bye <music>.
Us (Featuring Josh Bell)
"And. All right. Welcome to another episode of piecing together the podcast for take a look at a new movie and try to figure out what movies inspired it today on the show. It's one that we've been trying to get around to for a while now we actually got a lot of requests for a back when it was in theaters in. We're just couldn't get scheduling. Right. But here we are doing it. We are covering Jordan, peels us. This was, of course, Jordan pills follow up to get out which was just a big, huge cultural phenomenon. And a lot of people were excited to see why he would be doing next. And what he did next. I say it was pretty solid follow up. I mean, people really did seem to love this movie with a little bit of mixed thoughts on it as we get into the conversation. But overall, I think it was a definite success. And certainly a lot of fun to talk about with my returning co host Josh bell, who actually has. New podcast coming out that I am producing called awesome movie here. So we'll be talking about that later in the episode, but, you know, before we get into this conversation, I want to remind you as always, please, make sure you're subscribed to piecing it. The other on your podcast app of choice. You could follow us on social media at piecing pod. And join our Facebook group popcorn and puzzle pieces of movie discussion group. All right. Let's jump into the conversation about us after all this time. Let's do it. All right. It's been a long time in the making, but you knew we had to do an episode on us. So joining me today is Josh bell, Josh. How you doing? I'm doing very well. How are you? I'm all right man. I'm all right. This is an episode. A lot of people have actually asked me about it. Why didn't we do an episode and you know, we wanted to just never got around to it. I, I had somebody lined up at one point fell through. And then it we try to get happening again fell through and then used to guess that you'd be interested in doing it. And I was like, you know, let's make it happen for the vio release and. Yeah. Analii there. This is a fascinating movie that has been dissecting thoroughly over the last several months, but we can dissect it a little more. I think if nothing else, this movie will always be remembered for giving birth to the ending explains videos on you. I mean they existed before but wow, are there. Probably thousand of them. Yeah. Yeah. They're the, the need to over. Explain everything in movies is a terrible in modern online trend. But that's a separate discussion. Let's not criticize it too much before we even get into our puzzle piece. Well, all right. So why don't we jump into us people been waiting? What are you ever I puzzle piece? All right. Well, my first puzzle piece is a movie that I kind of wished was more of an influence on this on us, but is definitely an influence on sort of the first half and that is the strangers. Brian Burkino 's super scary very intense home invasion thriller, and us definitely starts out as that kind of movie you've got the family and this sort of isolated. Vacation home. And these mysterious people show up at their doorstep, and they don't say anything, and they're wearing strange outfits and super unsettling strangers is very much. I still remember, seeing that movie at, like ten in the morning at a press screening and not knowing anything about it, and coming out and just being like whoa. And that movie is so intense in, in strangers. It's just a couple there's no children. But live Tyler, and Scott speed men who play the couple that they're having some marital difficulties. And they're in this sort of remote cabin to get away from things, and these masked invaders show up and just start. Terrorizing them for no apparent reason? And for me personally, one of the scariest things in a horror movie is when horrible stuff happens, and you don't know why the characters don't know why the audience don't know doesn't know why. It's just a life is horrible and things happen. And that's just how it is. And I think uh does a really good job of that in the beginning, when this family is being tortured by their d'appel gang. And they don't understand the reason we don't know where these people came from or what they're doing. And that part of the movie I found the most. And so, you know, it takes turn kind of maybe halfway through into a different kind of story which I wasn't as into. But I love the strangers. And I really liked the parts of us that most recalled the strangers. Well, I will see your strangers and raise you a funny games. There you go. Yes, that is another very similar one. Yeah. Absolutely. That'll be my first one but yeah, no in all very similar reasons. I another example of the home invasion, just head trip, just fucked up kind of movie, and I completely agree with you. I wish it was more of that. I wish that, you know, of course, what Jordan Peele has done here is set up an entire world that needed to be explored. And there's just no way could have ever stuck to just that. But I think that when he's doing it, he's doing it really well, in a way, you, you could look at those scenes. And just being like oh it's just strangers in funny games. Again, you know, but you really does seem never really great command of it. And like in doing stuff that seems new and fresh and scary with that whole kind of concept, the home invasion, concept. Yeah. I totally agree. And I think that there are other movies that we could cite that have that similar home, invasion or a structure. But I think he puts a good twist on it. And certainly, as I was watching the movie during that part. I was like, wow, this is really like I find this kind of horror, very scary, and he's doing it really well, even the trailer alone loans, pretty fucked. Yes. Yeah. There's a lot of really scary. I think more than an I don't know if we're going to mention it as a puzzle piece, but more than his previous film, get out, which is intense, but is more of a suspense thriller, kind of thing and had a lot of humor to it. Yeah. Us is much like scarier at least in that first first half shore. And I like that about it. Absolutely. Well that was my first puzzle piece. Oh, let's go back to you again for another one. Okay. Well, I'm going to pick something that Jordan Peele himself references. Like at the very beginning of this movie and has talked about in interviews, as well. And that is charred the UC VHS copy of Chuck Todd at the beginning of this movie, and I will say, I watched, Chuck Todd for the first time the other day, just for this podcast. I was really determined to include chide. That's why we keep having. Josh bell doesn't homework, ladies and gentlemen, I will say, I kinda liked it. Yeah. It is very silly. I mean, I think it's a movie that it has this dopey title. Yeah. And it stands for cannibalistic humanoid, underground dwellers, which, which is even sillier. And so people think of that, and they mock it and deservedly, so probably it is a ridiculous title. But as a movie it's actually. Kind of is from the early eighties. Maybe eighty two or something like that. And so it takes place in New York City, and it has the kind of greedy pre gentrified New York City vibe to it, and it's a lot about, like municipal corruption and government, sort of sweeping things under the rug. And it's got good performances from John heard, and Daniel stern who were play the main characters. And, you know, also sewer mutants. It's actually I think it doesn't it falls apart as it goes on. And they have no idea how to end it. And it just kind of ends and I was like, what about the, the mutants are still there? You know, spoiler for Chad. But yeah, I mean obviously has these underground dwellers who rise to the surface and create havoc and are the product of corrupt government. And so as silly, as Chudy, is it has a lot of the same theme as this movie. And I think is something that people ought to give a second chance too. Yeah, that's interesting. I'm sure I saw it in high school is one of those, like, when you rent like fifty horror movies in a row like, you know, just don't even remember on one thing about that because I actually was going to bring up Judd, one thing that I thought was interesting. Is that in one year we've had two directors? Pull this trick of having TV with videotapes next to it in Gaspar, noise climax. Okay. As a whole bunch of videotapes of, like got possession. And of course, the spirit and stuff like that, which are clearly. Showing some of the influences that are about to be on display within the movie. We're about to watch. And I thought that was kinda cool. Yeah, I haven't I haven't seen climax. I know you're a big fan of it. Yeah. Yeah. That, that is kind of cool, and I didn't think it was done in a to like beating you over the head. No way it subtle. It's cool. Yeah. And Jordan Peele is a total horror geek and I think he's always happy to show off his love of things like charred now. Absolutely. Right on go to my next puzzle piece. My next one is Halloween is going to go straight in with that, as far as horror movies, go, and like, just kinda straight horror slasher. I think the thing that makes it stand out as a puzzle piece for me as an inspiration is the idea of bringing horror to the home into the suburbs. And even once we leave that whole home, invasion horror stuff that we were just talking about in the previous pieces were still running around homes and houses, and now we get like a modern spin stuff that could have very easily been at home in the recent Halloween remake, although they didn't do this kind of stuff, but stuff like the Amazon Alexa, jokes that, that kind of stuff, I think would have punched up the Halloween remake quite a bit. I think it would it would have added a lot of a lot of fun modern flavor to the idea of these har- killers come into the come into the suburbs. And. And so, yeah, Halloween does that I think in a way that a lot of other movies horror movies, try to emulate. Yeah. I mean Halloween obviously is an influence on like nearly every horror movie that came after it, Sean, and, yeah, I, I was not super impressed with the recent main Halloween, sort of reboot, or whatever you wanna call it. And maybe they should have higher Jordan Peele to do that one. Instead, he would have done a good job. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. But I do love Halloween. The original Halloween is fantastic is one of my favorite movies ever. So always happy to plug that. What do you got for your next one? I well for my next one, I'm going to do a double up because these are two movies that came out like around the same time, and we're talked about in connection to each other pretty much exclusively at the time that they came out and their movies about d'appel gang or so it makes sense to do two of them, and one is dunevich nerves enemy starring Jake Jilin, hall, the other is Richard as the double starring Jesse Eisenberg. And both of these are movies in which the main star plays two characters who look exactly the same and in which one of those characters is, maybe not evil certainly not to the extent that the gang are evil in us, but not a good person. Let's say and over the course of the movie, the distinctions between the two characters kind of blur and one character will take. Over aspects of the other characters life. And of course I mean you know spoilers that we get into here. It's fine. Right. So, you know, the, the end of us, we learned that lupita and Yondo, you know, the one version actually took over the life of the other version, and both of these movies play with that idea. I mean a lot more explicitly from the start where the characters are like aiming to take over each other's lives or wanting to take over each other's lives jealous of each other's lives, and that jealousy to is something you get a lot in this movie, the idea that the underground the tethered are, are constantly, jealous of the lives of their, their reflections above the surface and both of these movies. I think are. Uneven, let's say, but they both have really good performances. And I mean, not something that you have here in us is LaPierre and the ongo in particular is just fantastic movie playing very different versions of the same character, and both of those movies, Jake Jilin hall, and Jesse Eisenberg, do a very good job of playing characters where you can clearly tell the difference. But at the same time, you can really see the connection. I think that's a tough balance where the characters are distinct from each other, but they're also clearly symbiotic and to get that as an actor is really impressive. The double is, I think a little better enemy is very, very strange. And also has a giant spider in it. I don't know if you've seen either of these movies. But yeah, they're reflections of each other in a way, those two movies. Yeah. I, I would bring that up tation just because of them being Charlie in Donald Calvin real, completing each other at away, and I was just gonna make a quick mention of our buddy Chad Clinton Freeman. He was bringing up that combination of puzzle pieces, it would be enemy and the Lindsay Lohan starring I know who killed my God. I can't say that I've seen that. But knowing Chad. I'm gonna guess that he thinks that, that movie is secretly brilliant. Yes. Yeah. Sounds about right. Well. Those are those are great puzzle pieces and absolutely. The whole Doppler ganger thing have discussed within this episode probably quite a bit as we're going through my next puzzle piece does include Gingras as well. That is the Elizabeth moss movie, the one I love that was my next one as well. Right right on. Yeah. Which pretty crazy to see her do d'appel gangrene multiple times in a career. That's I wonder if that's a I, maybe I don't know. I mean, I'm sure they're off hand. I know Betty Davis actually made two movies in her career where she played her own twin. Okay. But I'm sure I'm sure there's others to that, just pops into my face. So there's a history history. Okay, but yeah, no, obviously, that's the only thing that these movies really share. Is the whole Dapo ganger angle. But, you know, Elizabeth moss great actress, and be able to pull off that kind of thing. And of course, you know, a little behind the scenes, we are recording and episode on Elizabeth moths her smell at the same time that we're recording this today, so Elizabeth moss days. That's a good day to have. Yeah. I think we should have more Elizabeth Mazda. Yeah. That movie is more than just the d'appel ganger aspect. I mean it's another movie where they go to an isolated sort of vacation home in order to work on their familial issues. And while there they encounter docile gay hers, and those performances, not only Elizabeth moss, but also, Mark do plaid plays her husband or boyfriend or whatever in that movie. Yeah. They have to give performances where the d'appel gang are just a little bit different from the original, I seem to remember the explanation in that movie being that the, the d'appel ganger versions are like the twenty percent better version of the character, and I think I remember at the time thinking that I wanted to see the twenty percent better version of that movie because it's not that great. But it's a limited MAs is excellent joining me Josh Ville hates every. No, it's an okay movie. It's better idea than it as a movie. Yeah. And Elizabeth Mazas fantastic. Well, what do you got for your next one? All right. Well, I'll skip ahead beyond that. And then go with invasion of the body snatchers, which is really what the second half of this movie is about in, in particular. I mean, there's I think four different versions of invasion of the body snatchers, and, of course, people know, the nineteen fifty-six original, but also the nineteen seventy eight version, starring Donald Sutherland, which takes place in San Francisco in the bay area, which is where this one is as well. And you know, gets to the idea of. D'appel gang duplicates taking over the entire world. And that seems to be where this movie is going as we get towards the end of it that, it's, it's expanded from just being this family or this family and their neighbors to being essentially the whole world. Although it's not entirely clear how much is being affected. But the idea of the entire population being replaced, and, you know, maybe not being able to tell who is the real one and who is the copy is very much something that those movies, take on, and the idea of, like, well, maybe the d'appel, gang have it better or you know, have it. Right. And we, we've screwed up society so badly that maybe it'll be better if monstrous versions of us takeover. Yeah. So, yeah. I mean both of those movies, the fifty six and seventy eight versions, also reflect the political sort of tone of the time, the nineteen fifty-six one is a lot about anti-communism McCarthyism. And in. In the nineteen seventy eight version, a lot of stuff about, like demeanor generation and self help and psychotherapy and things like that, that we're becoming really big at the time and this movie certainly in the endless dissections of it reflects a divided America that we have right now and income inequality and stuff like that. So I think that the idea of using that refer to reflect society is something that Jordan pills really doing here. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, it's a heavily political movie. And I think you know. Obviously, we'll get into more about how we liked the movie as we get on and towards the closing thoughts and everything. But I think an interesting thing about this movie is understanding, those themes really kind of bring out the best in the movie. Whereas, it's like I found it when I first walked out of the theater, not everything at fully quite hit me what he was trying to say, not until later as thinking about it, and all and. At first, I'm like trying to dissect every last little horror movie cliche. Like why is that? Why do they why do that? Whereas I think it absolutely. Those teams are really what it's about when it comes down to it. And I mean pretty. You know, it's a good puzzle piece to invasion of the body snatchers because of the way that used those kind of, you know, those kind of political themes as a main point to the storytelling. Yeah, I think there's a shot at the end or towards the end of this movie where you pull back, and you see all of the tethered nine of handed hand, and there's definitely moments in, in body snatchers, where in both versions, I think where it pulls back and you realize the scope of how many of these pod people there really are. And how thoroughly they've infiltrated all of society. And it's kind of a moment where it hits you the impact of that. Sure absolutely. Well, I'm going to go with my next puzzle piece. And this one's kind of a little bit of a cheap because it's something that he's said multiple times in the months since this came out even before it came out was doing the press runs, and even dressed as drac, Jack tour during the press tour, a couple of times is the shining this, I mean, I'm no Kubrick expert or anything like that. So I'm not gonna get into deep about about why. I just know that it was on his mind, a lot of the time, he, he talked about it. Plenty and like I said, even dressing up. I mean, he clearly wanted people to think that he was inspired by, like, no question. You know. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, obviously, if he says it, then it must be true. Exactly. Yeah. That's why I'm like, I think maybe if I had the Blu Ray at home already and could sit and watch it again. Maybe I could tell tell you why exactly that is. But, but I'm gonna. Oh on his word basically and just mentioned it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I I'm not sure what aspects other than that being kind of artistically ambitious horror movie. Sure that specifically come into play here. But, but okay. I guess too good movies in a row. He's earned the right to say whatever. Yeah. He's not the next Kubrick. And, you know, at least not yet but. We'll give him that. Yes. Absolutely. What do you got next? So my last thing is I'm gonna do a combo again. And this is a couple of TV things. The Star Trek episode mirror mirror and the Buffy. The vampire slayer episode d'appel gang land, and both of those are episodes in which evil versions of the main characters infiltrate, the main action and mirror mirror in particular. I think has really created sort of the cliches of what the evil twin is the idea of the evil version of someone having a goatee here example, I think south park, had a very memorable parody of mirror mirror or at least of that idea. I mean many many, many years ago, south park has been on one hundred and fifty years, but. Yeah. Especially that Star Trek episode, I think Jordan Peele has possibly cited a twilight zone episode as like an influence for this movie. But that's not something I've seen, but I guarantee you he is a Star Trek nerd and has seen the Star Trek episode, and that was the first instance of the quote mirror universe, which has become a big Star Trek sort of running theme, including, I think it was been a major aspect of the most recent Star Trek series discovery, which I haven't watched but through all the other series, the idea of this alternate universe, where evil versions of all our familiar, main characters live and what they want. Most is to get to our universe fuck shit up. I think that is very much influenced here, the idea of the tethered, and what they want is, and they don't just want to come and kind of hang out. They want to really create havoc here. And in the Buffy episode that also happens that has the idea of the sort of the d'appel ganger being a sexier more confident version of the timid main character, and that's not quite what we have here. But there is an aspect to that of the d'appel gang or characters just doing the things that may be the main characters wish they could do, if they weren't constrained by traditional morality. So certainly, that is a long running theme, the evil twin. Yeah. No one had to go in this movie. I don't think. I'm I bet that that was under consideration at one point. Yeah. I could see Winston do go in that. Yeah. Yeah. And just to be clear for the for the Finnish puzzle. It is double gang-land. Yes. Gang land is what is called, so yes. Yeah. Gotta make sure I get that. No, that's great though. And yeah. I mean, especially Star Trek. I mean you know that Jordan Peele is probably the biggest trick ner. Yes, yes, they means. It means I could see that completely. All right. Yeah. I got one last puzzle piece in this one is this one's more of an idea, not so much a movie specifically? Is Hitchcock by way of Spielberg by way of 'em night. Shamlan first few movies. Does that make sense to you? I don't know. But okay. Okay. So basically, I think this is. This is I don't want to say backhanded compliment because I did like the movie I have my issues with Jordan Peele style as a director. But I feel like this is this is so much of the Hitchcock suspense so much of the spill just blockbuster filmmaking and so much of what made you know, those first few movies that night Shamlan so damn great. Kind of rolled up into a next on the line of that kind of a filmmaker that takes those, those influences and put them together. And I think if this podcast has been around when get out came out, I would be saying the exact same puzzle piece right now. I think I think this is how I would describe Jordan Peele. Specifically, not so much the movie itself, Jordan Peele as a filmmaker. Yeah. I'm sure Jordan Peele has seen Hitchcock's entire filmography and Spielberg's, maybe shamans as well. I don't know if you saw the last heir bender. Yeah. And Hitchcock to I mean one I in preparation for this. I was looking up lists of d'appel ganger films vertigo is one that comes up a lot, and I don't think the medically really relates show this movie, but certainly that's something that Hitchcock had on his mind in films, that he made, and I remember thinking after after seeing this movie and not not as much after seeing it. But also after reading all the interviews with Jordan Peele, where he explained it all way too much, and talked about this giant mythology that he had come up with for the tethered, and they are, and what they mean it very much reminded me of early Shamlan, like dude, just shut up. And please don't make a sequel in which the exposition is the point. Yeah. So hopefully Jordan Peele will not go that route Shamlan has had a up and down career. But yeah, I really don't wanna see the Jordan Peele version of glass, that would be a tragedy. Luckily, I think he's. I think he's a smart enough dude. Let that happen. But I mean then again, who knows? I hope I hope you're right. Let's finish puzzle and then we'll get to any closing thoughts. We've got the strangers funny games. Chad Halloween enemy. The double the one, I love invasion of the body snatchers. The mirror mirror episode of Star Trek, d'appel gang-land episode of Buffy the vampire slayer and Hitchcock by way of Spielberg by way of 'em night. Shamlan you know, one one other thing I wanted to mention I'd mentioned Spielberg. So I liked this movie. I didn't love this movie there things about it. You know, especially like that whole having to do big long, exposition dumbs is kind of a shame and, but there are things in the first thirty minutes of this movie that reminded me of like the best of a great Spielberg movie. I thought I mean it was I was so. So in for those first thirty minutes, and I no matter what happens after that really with any movie. If a movie is got me that good in the first thirty, I'm, I'm at least going to like it, no matter if things start to fall apart, a little bit things. Get a little too up its own ask that I I'm still going to give it a lot of credit because I think he's a lot of style. He, he put together a very interesting movie. And, and I said, the same damn thing about get out. It's a movie that has you talking. We'll be talking about this movie at the end of the year. Still no question. He knows how to make a movie that keeps people really wanting to engage and talk about it like for a long time. Yeah, that's true. I think maybe I got a little worn out on that. I agree with you that the beginning really grabs you and I would say, the first half or so again, when it's. More about home invasion, horror, and just what is happening. We don't know why. But, you know, we got to deal with it and run away and just stay alive. I liked a lot. I felt like yeah. The exposition and the expansion of it into this whole mythology and the idea that this was something that was happening all over the world or whatever didn't quite work for me. And I think you were saying also that the various political or social allegory aspects of it made it more interesting to you. And I felt like that made it less interesting to me that I liked it as a movie that was just about, like, here's some crazy stuff that happened and it was intense and I was in the moment and the more I read the various think pieces about it, which are not the movies fault, but also Jordan, peels own explanations of which are his fault, although not the movie, you know, you could separate the movie from his comments. Gary on it. And just watch it as a movie on its own. And I think that I liked better than the more. I read in the more. I saw people's takes on it to more tired of it. I got. So, but it is an interesting. The fact that you can look at it so many different ways and interpreted in so many different ways. I mean, there were a lot of pieces where you could read it, and one way, and then you can see an article that was essentially coming out at in the opposite way. And both of those enforcing their points and being completely confident in that. This is what this movie is about that. Certainly is something fascinating. But I liked this movie most as just like an in the moment thing that can freak you out. Sure. Sure. Yeah. I think for me if of almost an up and down kind of thing, which is very strange. It's like I liked the movie from the beginning and getting into the home, invasion stuff, and then I start to dislike how instead of getting any kind of a form of answers, so to speak. We're getting just like you said all the mythology and all that stuff, which really doesn't answer anything, just adding to it. So that's when the political stuff kind of comes in and saves. Is it again for me? I think that's what I mean, more so than it makes it better, it actually saves it from itself, if that makes sense. Yeah, I can see that. And it definitely does the more ex position they throw it you in this movie the less. It makes right exam. The more you question, how this all fits together whereas when you don't nothing you don't have to question it, because it's just like, okay, let's just go. Nobody knows that the characters don't know. This is just deal with it. And like I said, that's the kind of horror that I am most drawn to generally where it's like, why does this happen? I don't I don't know. Why is there another family coming up from underground that looks just like us because there is because Chad? Right. Because. Because Jordan Peele watch that is the reason. Yeah, but I still think this is a good movie. And I do think it's something that will be talking about, you know, through to the end of the year is one of the most notable movies of the year. It certainly lupita and the ongo performance, which maybe we didn't mention enough standard ass tick in this movie playing those dual characters and making them distinctive and yet clearly connected that if nothing else in this movie is, is super like topnotch completely agree. Yeah. She makes you realize that it is crazy that she's just a CGI creation in the Star Wars. Yes. So we finally did it finally had an episode on us. Congratulations to us, Josh bell. You got anything else? You watch recently. You wanna recommend? We'll speaking of political content. I will recommend the catch twenty two miniseries on Hulu produced by George Clooney who directs a couple of Assode and co stars. It's a modern prestige mini series which means maybe it's a little longer than it needs to be. But I think it's a well done balance of adapting novel that a lot of people say is unadaptable and getting political material that it takes place in World War Two, but showing how it's relevant today, balancing the satirical aspects of it, and the very dark kind of bleak aspects of this story about a soldier who just wants to go home. I really like how it approaches World War Two. We don't see even now pretty much any piece of media any story that you get about World War Two is always about even if it's horrifying, and there's death and horrible conditions. It's always the causes noble and people are there for the right reasons, and catch twenty two really says, like you know what this was just as futile as any war, and I like that about it. So it's an interesting thing I think. It's worth the time investment. And also the nineteen seventy future film version directed by Mike Nichols which was a big flop at the time. I watched also is available on Amazon prime. And I think is actually maybe even better, it plays up the satirical, dark, humor aspect, more Alan Arkin is great as the star of that Christopher Abbott, who's the star of the Hulu version is also very good, but different approaches of the same material, but both good catch twenty two right on and you got anything. You wanna plug? Well, the big thing we wanna plug? Of course, is the new podcast. Awesome movie year. Some movie year, we are launching hosted by me, and Jason Harris produced by Dave who will occasionally be offering his own commentary. And we are tackling different year in movies in each of our little seasons. Taking a look at twelve different films to kind of give you a snapshot of the year. We're starting with nineteen ninety four. Looking at things like the top movie at the box office and the best picture winner and future cult classic and other stuff like that. So hopefully people will listen to that, and it is launching on July third. And you guys can all check out the show notes. We're gonna have all kinds of info on how to find that once it is up. And we will make sure you get to check out awesome movie or it's going to be great show is going to be an awesome show. That's right. Absolutely right. Well, Josh thanks as always for being here and looking forward avenue. Bac sounds good. My name is Toby. I'm one of the host of the secret transmission plant cats who do a set our show. Conspiracies UFO's, the paranormal crypto zoology, true crime, and much more or show was transmitted to apple podcasts. Stitcher, Spotify, tune in radio and many other podcasts apps on ram an Twitter. To try to explain the unexplainable. Read, I hope you enjoyed that conversation about us. Of course, I hope you've watched the movie now that it's out on VOD, if not, you just got a whole lot of spoilers, but you could still enjoy the movie anyway, but you really should've watched it. 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Why don't we get in and our real quick here at this one's a little bit of short episode but, you know it looks like we're going to hit the forty minute Mark once my music plays. But let's play a piece of music. I'm thinking for a movie about the tethered and having this, this dark opposite self. Why don't we go with a track called enemy for my most? Recent album, a different kind of dream. I think this fits the theme pretty well. And.