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The. So you've known yet guy who's on his teacher strike. Yeah. For a long time. Non for a long time. I've been talking to him for longtime visits. Dana Goldstein, she covers education for the New York Times. And he's in my character in my book. Her book is called the teacher wars. And Dana says it's not hard to understand how Elliot's teachers gotta frustrated just walk into the schools. You'll get it. She spent a lot of time at a high school called Crenshaw in south, Los Angeles. It is an a working class largely African American neighborhood and it had a really storied history and a great baseball program. And it had you know, a lot of engaged families. That were proud of the school Crenshaw is a bit legendary in LA when Dana says they had a great baseball program. She really means great Darrell strawberry played on the team back in the seventies. But by the time Dana showed up here. The police had really changed with the birth of the charter sector. They saw a lot of the most engaged families choosing. Go to charters, a non what happened is their population was more likely to be students who may be homeless or in foster care or have really high needs cruncher high school nearly lost its accreditation in two thousand five the district putting in more and more principles to see if they could crack the code of keeping kids in the building and competing more with the charter sector, and the teachers were so frustrated that they kind of staged a mutiny and the guy leading this uprising his name was Alex goo, poodle Pearl. I met him when he was leading a movement to bring together teachers and parents with a vision of how that school could turn itself around in this era of competition charter schools, and he was a longtime social studies teacher at that school. And he said, you know, it's up to us the teachers. He got the parents together. They activated this network to demand. More technology better computers at the school better supplies, and I thought and on one of his classes, actually, and they had kids and internships with local nonprofit organizations they had kids doing crafts to graph the relationship between school funding and incarceration rates in their own neighborhood. So that's the kind of teacher that Alex Caputo parole was. Hear this. I think this all sounds pretty great. But here's the thing. Alex Caputo Pearl didn't stay at crunch. Aw. In fact, he got kicked out and what he calls a case of discrimination against an activist teacher. And then Alex Kudo Pearl was elected president of the Los Angeles teacher's union. He is one of a group of more militants teacher activists who were tired of compromising. They didn't want to compromise with the charter school sector. They were mad and they had a very different vision. And they unseeded a previous generation of union leaders who are more conciliatory. This week. He took his agenda to the streets rocked the city of Los Angeles. And all the demands he talks about their things any person would want for a school we want. Plus is reduction we want earlier we want. We, but he also has a very particular idea of how the city of Los Angeles should meet these goals, if you listen closely when he says something like this. Grounds for the rich Lord to the people of Los Angeles. He's really taking aim at charter schools for leaders like Alex Caputo Pearl. This isn't just a debate about class sizes or even a fair wage. This strike is a debate about what an education is and who can access it. You run now. Today. Dan Goldstein is going to take us inside the Los Angeles teacher strike. This is the eighth walkout teachers staged in the last year alone all over the country. But as he strikes move into big cities. Teachers demands are changing daynuss can help us figure out. What next stay with us. Russia if you're listening. I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing technology and politics are moving closer and closer together. I think it is important to take a look at the power and influence that Amazon house, and these big tech companies aren't just shaping debate. They're shaping the way we live and work. This was a huge breach of trust people come to Facebook every day, and they depend upon us to protect their data. I'm April Glaser, and I'm will remiss we're the hosts of if then slates new podcast. Decode the heavy tech news flying out of Washington Silicon Valley and beyond every week. We bring you up to speed on everything from the Russian hacking scandal to the machines that helped decide your local voting maps find if then wherever you get your podcasts. Let's just start by talking about what the teachers are asking for because pay doesn't seem to be the issue here. It's not the main issue. They've asked for six point five percent raise. And they've been offered a six percent Ray. So it doesn't seem that pay is truly the sticking point. And the union had outlooks Caputo Pearl has repeatedly said we can't be bought off with a raise. And what he means by that is the other issues are more important or equally important those issues. Yeah. So those include more support professionals like guidance counselors, nurses, and librarians smaller class sizes, and then there's an ideological fight. Here a debate that is in some way, the core issue even though it's not in the teacher contract. And not what these two sides are negotiating back and forth about and it has to do with whether the superintendent of the Los Angeles schools Austin boot near who comes from finance background and the board of educational Los Angeles schools, which is elect. By the public. It has to do with whether they have a vision for the district, which entails vastly expanding charter school sector and many union teachers disagree with that. And that is an underlying cause of this tension that has led to the strike yet. You see principals and teachers talking about how charter schools have kind of just moved in to their neighborhood schools, and they can't stop them. Yellows Angeles has the largest charter sector in the nation. And it's considered a high quality sector if you compare it to other charter. So that doesn't mean that all charters in L A are better than all traditional neighbor hood public schools that is not the case. But many of them are quality schools, and parents are excited and away to have this option and the enrollment charters has contributed to a decrease and enrollment in Los Angeles, traditional schools and teachers are saying you've created a system of competition. They compete for space, and they're often in the same buildings. So you could see co-locate at school so public school on one floor of a building charter school on another floor. Maybe the charter school. Got a great generous donation from planter pests and every kid has a beautiful laptop and the public school students in the same building. Don't have it. So they're the principals can't keep them out. Right. It's like the their their right to that that sometimes the case. Yes. So they're in competition for real estate, and we know that in cities, like, Los Angeles or New York. That's no joke. That's a real competition. Expensive, thriving booming city, like L A or New York. There's a sheen around the excitement of the charter sector, and what has happened is too many neighborhood schools have become choices of last resort for families. And that has led us with a really hard job not enough money to do it not enough funds to give our kids what they need to thrive. So that's the overall argument from the union, and there's a lot of persuasive counterarguments as interesting so. So is that true? I think the picture that they sketch is largely accurate. But then the question is what's the solution? People who support charter school than think they're doing a good job providing parents with an option that they want and that they're excited about are saying, well, we need to then make our traditional schools more competitive with charters, you know, maybe what parents like that charters have a longer school day, principals at charter schools have more freedom to hire and fire teachers, and there's not as many seniority protections. They can be more innovative. So perhaps it is the case many of these charters supporters say that if the union were to be more flexible and embrace more innovation that traditional schools could better compete for these kids, and it wouldn't be this kind of exodus, but how do you compete without enough money. I think that's definitely part of what they're saying. But remember charters are public schools to they may have some private phone throwback funding to prop. Them up, but they also do rely on the state for those per pupil dollars that follow the student. So in some ways, there are some unifying issues that educators at both charter schools and public schools traditional public schools agree about which is that the California per pupil. Funding formula is not sending them enough money will. Yeah. The in the California in the Los Angeles teachers are saying that the school district is sitting on one point eight billion dollars. Just not giving it out, right? Yes. That's their claim the numbers are highly disputed. And the district says that most of that money is your Mark for future costs that have to do with health and pension benefits for current and retired. Teachers teachers do have generous benefits and some people say too generous. And you know, the teachers have responded, you know, these are promises that were made to us to our colleagues. We make a lot less than other professionals. We live in a really expensive city. We can't afford. To live close to the schools. We work in we don't feel middle class. And that argument that L A teachers are making really echoes what I heard all across the country with the seven other teachers strikes that I covered over the past year. So you're seeing this one strike in Los Angeles. But you're not just seeing this one strike you're seeing what else is happening. Right. So over the past year there were six statewide teacher walkouts and most of those actually all of them were in conservative or swing states. And then in Chicago at the end of the last school semester. There was the nation's first strike at a charter school networks. So this Los Angeles action is happening as part of a wave. Here's the thing hits me about this teacher's, strike, California is known for its social safety net sort of the same way New York is whether it's health care anything else. So what happened here that the teachers are feeling this extreme pain when it comes to their salaries? And so so extreme that they've walked out. Yeah. I mean has. Historically, California is actually different than other liberal blue state. So for example, New York spends more per pupil, New Jersey, spends more per pupil. Massachusetts spends more per pupil. The new governor governor Newsom has promised to increase per pupil funds. But I guess the question is for teachers union leaders, whether it will be enough, but California has tended to look about middling and terms of the national landscape of how much it spends on schools, but that surprising to many people because it is a state with a lot of progressive ambitions where you'd think that investment in public education would be a priority. There's one specific law that makes it really hard for them to raise money for schools in California, which is called proposition thirteen the real estate Cup. Exactly dates back to nineteen seventy eight and it capped property taxes. Homeowners like to have low property taxes. But this is a main way that schools are funded, and it has made it difficult. Sometimes. To raise money, especially in less affluent school districts, and it puts places like Los Angeles and Oakland where teachers are also considering a strike at a disadvantage. I mean, the numbers are really striking. Like, I read one principal saying we spend more per inmate in California than we do per pupil, which does seem insane. But it makes me wonder whether the teachers are actually targeting the right people like are they negotiating with the right group. That's what's confusing about this whole thing. And the main argument that the district has made which is that ninety percent of the funding comes from Sacramento, the state capital. And so we the local district. We have our hands tied where not the ones that you should be protesting the six conservative and swing states that had teacher walkouts over the past year. Those were protests against state politicians. Teachers would get on buses, and they would go to state capitals from all across these big. States like Arizona, North Carolina Kentucky, West Virginia. And they were going to protest state legislators and governors to ask for higher taxes and more education funding, that's not what is happening Los Angeles. But it why not why isn't that happening? That's a good question. I think it has to do with the ideological background here. Which is this dispute over school choice charter schools, and what the union derisively talking about is the portfolio model Masic's bringing in different management structures and making a whole choice based system which forces schools to be in competition for students resources, and parents desires and attention, the union leader, computer parole says that this is a vision that is being pushed by outsiders by wealthy people by folks who don't have deep roots in Los Angeles at the argument, he makes and he is saying, you know, enough is enough with this vision, and that is part of this strike. Even though it's not in the teacher contract that is a stencil early the cause of the strike. So it's it's very political ideological. It has to do a two different visions of what public education should look like you've written a book about the history of education in the United States. So you're talking about how this is a big philosophical debate. How does what's happening in Los Angeles fit into this wider history that we have of teachers sort of getting involved in these bigger philosophical debates if that's right in. I mean, typically we see big urban school strikes about these broader philosophical questions about what education should look like. So if you go back to the biggest goal strike in American history, the nineteen sixty eight strike in New York City. It was about whether black neighborhoods and black parents should have community control of schools, a not strike really put a halt in many ways to that movement. And. Elected teacher, seniority rights, and prevented neighborhoods from kind of having a lot of say over hiring and firing public school teachers if you fast forward to twenty twelve the big strike in Chicago teachers were saying it is unfair to evaluate us by student test scores, and they successfully in that case pushed back against what mayor Rahm Emanuel was trying to do at that time that Flosse of education reform still exist out in the country. But it's not nearly as popular as it used to be. And those Chicago teachers are one reason why you know, they stood up and said, we're not willing to go along with it. And so similarly, the strike is kind of you could see it as a battle royale over charter schools and school choice. You know, the Democratic Party has been fighting about this all through bama's presidency. The Democratic Party is split on this question of school choice and charter schools. The unions are very skeptical of this. And then on the other side, they're still. Valley philanthropists and people in the New York Wall Street Finance world who donate generously to the charter school 'cause and are really enthusiastic about it and have created a kind of counterbalance in the Democratic Party to the traditional power of teachers unions. What was interesting to me is you're sort of painting this picture where when wider societal conversations are happening. They tend to filter down very concretely to the educational system. And so you're saying that New York strike, you know, it was really about racism, and that kind of equality and this fight over charter schools. It seems to be really a fight over what a quality is. Yeah. I think that's right. It's an interesting debate to have when there's the rise of this democratic socialism within the Democratic Party that you can kind of trace to Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Causey Cortes there among the national Democrats along with Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris. Who've come out in the past few days to speak, very strongly on behalf of the teachers in Los Angeles. Those folks are saying we don't wanna be in competition for resources. That's that's sort of the underlying argument a kind of capitalist system, a free market competition is not the right vision for public schools that really differs from the vision of those who think competition leads to arising tied for all. I mean, but in Los Angeles, I was struck by the fact that charter school teachers have begun picketing as well. What do you think about that? I mean is that a sign these two sides have been pitted against each other for a long time. Like, if you're a parent with kid in school, you know about this fight. It's familiar to you. But I wonder when you see the charter teachers beginning to also strike does that signal a change in power gonna have these conversations moving forward? Well, I think people are realizing that the teachers are actually not fighting with each other. You know, I rarely talk to a young teacher who is saying I will only work at a traditional public school, or I will only work at a charter school most teachers coming out of say, a master's degree program and education are looking for a great job at a school that as high quality with great principle or they can serve the kids. They're looking to teach in the location where they wanna work and teachers are not allowed Djibril usually about this some are, but many I think probably most are not. And so I think for teachers the level that they are paid is very similar across the two sectors the benefits or sometimes not always. But sometimes similar the issue of class is these are things that teachers care about whether they work in on public school or charter school. Yeah. I just wonder if the charter teachers start striking whether it's a game changer because then all of the teachers are striking and it kind of brings all of these forces to. He'll I think I think that you're right. But the issue with the expansion of strikes charter sectors that it's pretty limited because a small minority of the schools are in unionized. And if you strike intern on a union, you could just be fired pretty much immediately. So I don't think we're going to see a huge number of charter school teachers striking. It's I think going to be pretty much confined to those networks that are unionized. What is what you've learned about the history of education in America? Tell you about how the strike might end. I'm actually having trouble imagining the end of this because the talks are bet stalled right now, Washington. Yeah. Some people have made the comparison to the shutdown in Washington and the district and the union both feel that they have conceded all they can up to this point. So I think it will take the actions of the governor and the state legislature and Sacramento to bring this to a close. Does perhaps by offering more money? They've already offered more. But maybe combined an offer even more to take care of some of the pension and health care responsibilities. If the state can take those on to a great degree, then it would free up money for other priorities that the district in union. I think at their core agree on. I don't think many people that work in education in any capacity wanna see kids without guidance counselors without libraries and their schools without access to school, nurses. This is something the district says they would like to be able to do. So it will probably take some political intervention here to bring this to a close if school systems across California didn't have these big pension bills coming due would they be worried about the charters in the same way would the teachers unions be worried about the charters? Yes, they would be. And there's been some interesting math that shows that some of the growth. In pension and health costs are equal to maybe a few hundred extra dollars per pupil. But the union is making a bigger case for thousands of dollars more per child. So this is not just about money. It's about competing, visions of what public education should be this Phyllis. It's really fills earliest trouble. Ritual. I think so I mean, I think there's something about the idea of the neighborhood public school where everybody goes to, and you know, that your school and the school has to Serb everyone. You don't have to sign up for some crazy lottery. You don't have to wait on any lines. That's the school. I think that vision is really interesting to folks, it's a very traditional American vision of what public education is charter schools challenge that and alive different ways. They actually improve it in some ways in that. If your neighborhood public schools, not a good one, they offer you an out, you know, the longer I cover education, the more. I actually feel Gionta both sides of the argument. I mean, it's it's education is such a complex policy area. That I've heard many people say that the longer they delve into it the last Jedi logical. They feel about it. And I can't myself among those people who whatever presumptions I had going into this career of being an education reporter they've been challenged again. And again, and again, will you say the idea of neighborhood public school is very American idea the CD of kind of America Crecy like everyone's going to the same place. We're all in this together. But is that actually how we've run our states the total fantasy because of residential segregation by class and race. The existing system are the status quo system is so unequal so segregated that, you know, for many in the education reform world, they say, we're not waiting around for perfection. We're not waiting around for a wonderful nationwide desegregation program. We're just going to start offering parents options by opening charter schools. So that's the case that they make. Dana. Thank you so much for talking to me about this pleasure. I'm really happy to be here. Hello everyone. It's me the greatest president in the history of residents those people Trump cast or attic, again, they're not satisfied with just being a podcast. And being highly rated no they're taking those show on the road. I'm advising you do not go. See Trump gas alive in of all places. Abashed jn of liberalism terrible. Turbo skate, California. And Los Angeles is the worst. Don't buy tickets at slate dot com slash live. Don't do it. My name is Daryl, and I'm the principal that Telfer elementary school. Laments located in California my day began by making sure that our tables were down in that are suing were able to come in and sit down and have breakfast. That's something that only happens wasn't Ostrom. But because of the strike, and we don't have teachers. We are providing breakfast as a whole group for all of our students. Not having my teachers here is very challenging. My wife is a teacher at an air nearby school. So she goes to strike every morning, and I come to work. She has to do what she believes is right? Every day. It it gained more and more difficult just with with everything going on and not having any kind of conversation between the two parties involved mix it difficult. The things that my teachers are are striking for classes reduction counters in every school, and nurses. And every school is something that that be Tokyo. That's the show. What next is hosted by me, Mary Harris and produced by Mary Wilson, and Jason deletion with help from Daniel Hewitt rate and review our show on apple podcasts to help other people. Find us and you can follow me on Twitter at Mary's desk. Talk to you tomorrow.
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Ep. 419 - Paul de Gelder (Australia Army/Navy)
He doesn't just not using. You're listening to self lady special operations military on straight talk with the guys in the community. Safra radio on time on target really enjoyed putting together that stub the last episode and by the way, Opie geyser enjoying the new year. And yeah, it was good. I mean put on their game Crenshaw Andrew wealth now at Derek. Now, remember all equally finding Mike binding McNamara guests and Pat McNamara the one that you were on cool. So those were our top five of the year out of the top ten most wish to tros five out of those. And yeah, I mean, it's getting a great response. Actually, it reminded me I emailed Dan grant Shaw, who I'm sure it's pretty busy being sworn into congress today. But I was like, you know, I doubt get back anytime soon, it'd be great if he does. But I would want to follow up now that he's in congress. I mean, the time we did that interview not many people knew the name, Dan Crenshaw. Now, everyone does I would love to get Dan Crenshaw and Cossio Cortes in the same room. Just for five minutes just to see what I'm sure they're going to be in the same room. I'm sure they're both very nice people, and it would be nice to each other. But that would be an interesting conversation. Yeah. At some point, they probably will actually congress. They're going to end up talking. Some point. But it was actually interesting listening back to the interview which I haven't done because it was a year ago, and you and him especially had a very Frank discussion on foreign policy, and it what he didn't give a political answer. Like, he did take a stand. You know, the you asked him about, you know, are we just going to stay occupied in Iraq or Afghanistan. Just for the end of time, and he was pretty blunt about it. He was like, yeah. We've been in South Korea. We've been in Japan. I don't see a problem with that a lot of politicians wouldn't give you a straightforward answer. Like that. And you guys weren't completely in a wine on it. But at least he gave an actual answer. Well, I disagreed with him on quite a few things as I recall I'd have to go back and listen to that interview again. But no still a good interview. I appreciated him being candid and forthright wish them lock in the an election. I mean, I thought it was really cool that he was like. You know, I wanna find some other way to continue to serve my country. And maybe this is it. And so you never know how that's gonna go a lot of veterans, you know, run for office and don't make it in for all kinds of different reasons, and Dan was successful. And for not not only was exempt will be also became some some something of a media media sensation. Because of Saturday Night Live and everything else. But and I even saw that Candace Owens tweeted out, she's like, you know, and whether you like Candice Owens or not I mean, she's just a prominent voice out there and said, you know, I saw him speak. And I believe this is the future of the Republican party. So that's pretty high praise. Yeah. It's interesting. So Dan Crenshaw getting sworn in a Cossio Cortez. And what's what's the other one that you likes all I just know it's the Muslim woman with the job. But I I actually saw this today. It's kind of making the rounds today her tweet, I'll find that. I remember her actual name, no shoes in Minneapolis. It is Alon, Omar. So Omar and Casio Cortez are trying to stop Nancy Pelosi from the pay as you go scheme funding the government because they're like, well, if we do that then we won't have any money to fund our. Extensive massive of Weber and thin sort of social programs. You know that they won't like some kind of soft communism. So we can't do pays our goal. So they're trying to stymie Nancy Pelosi on that. And I think that two of them are going to give Pelosi a frigging heart attack. The way things are going. So the tweet that's making around today is actually from November twenty twelve which she wrote Israel's hypnotize the world, male, LA awaken. The people and help them. See the evil doings of Israel, and hashtag Gaza. Hashtag Palestine hashtag Israel. I mean to be honest slow like, there's probably plenty of people in congress who are critical of Israel. But that tweet from someone who's now a congresswoman I do find problematic, you know, honesty, like look at that tweet. And it's like, this is a some bin Laden tweeting future US congresswoman, you know. I mean, Israel has an extensive propaganda system over sure, you know, I think I understand like if if I was to interpret a little bit. I think I understand what she was probably trying to say there. But then on the other hand you look at that. And it's like, well what's difference between this, and you know, like, George Soros conspiracies? But also, you know, I. That they're talking or she's referring to specific things. But I think she is this is like making the jump between. All right, America's killed on Warlock US citizen, along with his teenage son. You could be critical that, but that's different than tweeting out something like the US is the great Satan rise of it. And to me, this is closer to that second tweak and kind of like a voting God may allow awaken the people like what the fuck like you're calling on on the man upstairs to awaken. The I it's it's very Messiaen EQ. And if a Christian evangelical was to send start tweeting things like this or saying things like this who's a public official. We'd all be like what the fuck you doing man where you go in with this. I could go on about this. But before we get to our guest Paul together. I know you'd something really critical to talk about that's really within our wheel. I I would bring up real quick fast. That to my surprise. I found myself writing actually to fairly complimentary articles towards President Trump. Oh, yeah. Which I don't do very often Syria right about Syrian about his visit to Iraq. And I don't want maybe not complimenting him. But pumping the brakes on the criticism a little bit the way he was being criticized for going to Iraq and having a yes, a stupid, silly photo op as all of our presidents and many of our politicians do at us thought the kind of like manufactured outrage around that was just completely asinine and silly. And and then the other article I wrote was about Trump's decision on withdraw from Syria and how I think I expressed concerns at the time that you know, we could leave a power vacuum. We could plunge this area back in the chaos. It's kind of flushing out of our hard work down the toilet. What seems to have happened within making that announcement? It was it really put a boot in the ass of some of the players on the ground to start hashing things out into gauche eating some of their differences and what I'm talking about. Specifically is to get the Assad regime in the Syrian democratic forces in north Syria to start talking to one another negotiate that northeastern area or I'm sorry, north western part of Syria to negotiate their re entry into the Syrian state because otherwise with America no longer there. The Turks are gonna invade the place. I mean, that's that's a no brainer. So I think Trump did the right thing and calling bullshit on his security advisors and the generals and the Pentagon and everyone else in making this decision. You know, the these wars can't go on forever. They can't be indefinite and the manufactured outrage around. That was incredible just to see Rachel Maddow wrote an entire book about, you know, the forever war in American military expand. Action. You know, how powerful presidents have become and deploying military forces. But then when Trump decides to withdraw the troops. She's like he's trying to wag the dog and manipulate the media cycle, and this is an irresponsible decision. It's it's incredible. Because there is no antiwar movement in America at all anymore, and these people who describe themselves as anti war progressive liberals have been pushed so far past their own principles and their own values by President Trump. They they can't even remember what it was. They used to believe they're simply opposed anything. This guy tries to do even if it happens to align with their values. And I mean for me, I'll take a win where I can get a win. Right. I'm pragmatic about it. And I think no matter who you are whatever your political beliefs. Are you have to be pragmatic? We can't have our heads in the clouds and just hope for utopia to happen. You know, isn't it still extremely early on though to say that there won't be a power. Vacuum and. It is. And and Trump has also reversed course, a bit and said, well, okay. Well, we've troops there. Another two or three months to hash things out and make sure everything stable will he end up. I mean, this is this is Donald Trump. He may change his mind against now are going to stay there. Yeah. I mean, you just don't know. Of saying, I think I would make a great general. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. It was one of those typical Donald Trump, you know, drunken rambling, you know, you're drunk at thanksgiving. Even though he's he's never touched alcohol. So I I think he has touched alcohol just stop drinking after his brother died. We're okay, but good for a long good for good for him. I'm not trying to make fun of him for for not drinking like that. But I mean, at least in adult life, guys, never drank. Yeah. Yeah. He has come these rambling comments. I mean, if it's I it sounds like somebody who's drunk, or if they're not drunk has like the, you know, dementia or something like what what are you talking about man? But anyway, I was prized to find myself writing a couple articles. In defense of Donald Trump. I mean, but. Like, I said, I'll take a win where I can take it. You know, Republicans are if they manage a couple of good things during this administration. I'll I'll give them a Pat on the back for that. That's I believe you're truly objective in that. You've even tweeted out things for or as you said that you'll agree with so. Yeah, I mean, I think it's Cortes. I'm reading Alexandria Cossio. Cortes, I apologize. If I said her name wrong. But yes, some of her tweets, I get a kick out of because she's kind of I think we talked about it on the last podcast where she sees some corruption going on in government in DC, and she's a she's a young woman. I think she's like twenty seven and this is probably her first real exposure to politics, and she's probably seeing all this stuff. Like, oh my God. What the fuck is going on here. So she sends out. I think some of these very candidate tweets sometimes about I picture her just being kind of shock about it. And I'm just like damn. Him. And I think, you know, Nancy Pelosi must be like about the stroke sometimes like seeing some of this stuff. But hey, you know, I think it's great whenever whenever the stupidity gets exposed. I'm happy to see that. And we'll see what the future holds. So we gotta get to Paul Gelder actually in about five minutes. I dunno real quickly. We wanna cover navy seal Edward Gallagher marshals. Yeah. I just wanted to bring this up again because news is coming out that it is going to court martial now. Chief Gallagher is going to stand trial for murder. Other other war crimes he may have committed. I mean, there have been a lot of allegations come from the seals. He served with. It's not just that. I mean. Yeah, it's the murder of this kid the alleged murder of this kid who's he supposedly stabbed to death. That was he was the kid was a detainee, and then filmed, it etc cetera also allegations that other seals helped cover it up allegations that he tried to throw one article they said he tried to bribe other seals to get them to be quiet. I mean, the story just kind of gets worse and worse. And then I've seen the narrative being put forward by his family members, actually that the other seals that he served with were. I mean, I think some of these words may have even been used specifically that they were just a bunch of pussies that his teammates were weak. They didn't like him being strong leader, and you know, pushing them in combat things like this. And so they retaliated against him. And they went to NCIS in like, and I guess to this day. The this narrative is that they're still lying NCIS and they're lying under oath. To to the courts, which do nothing for them. So well, it'll actually put you in fucking jail. I mean, it's perjury. No. But I mean, it would do nothing for them to you know, if they are making testimony against the sky like they're not getting anything, right, right? And I mean, I know you're safe. They're lying. The navy has systematically covered up war-crimes, quite frankly. The in the seal team's specifically in seal team six so this isn't like where you have a bunch of teammates coming forward and saying I mean, it tells to me my impression is. Things must have been really really bad like so beyond the pale that that these guys came forward because this isn't something that happens every day they start diamond out their own their own NCO. So we'll see how this case pans out. I feel like his defense his attorneys are trying to try this in the court of public opinion by saying like, yeah, it's it's I have not said these words specifically, but I get the feeling they wanna make a Fox News court. Martial and say, you know, it's the libs and they're persecuting. This horrific navy seal. I saw from the article there's a parent. I don't know that article or the older one there were two veteran charities donating his legal defence. Yeah. Yeah. There are. So I feel like that's the narrative that is being advanced. And I don't know maybe maybe they're trying to angle for a presidential pardon. Because. That's the world. We live in right now. You know, you get enough traction on Twitter, I mean could influence presidential pardons. But anyway, we'll keep an eye on it and see see how the court martial pans out. And by the way, for the listeners Jack will cover that in his I I was gonna say news roundup that was BK's thing. What what would what do we call? What you do? I don't know. I'm just doing a weekly new segment and talking to video segment talking for a couple minutes about, you know, news of the day. And we'll probably talk a little bit about this today. Yes. So if you go on the news rep dot com, you should see that op around the time thick this goes up and check out that segment we've been posting it as well on news reps Instagram with that joining us for the first time on the podcast Paul together. Former Australian army paratrooper as well as navy clearance. Diver the author of no time for fear how shark attacks -vivor beat the odds also host on shark week one of the stars of the Australian drama series fighting season. And I mean, the the big thing that's a part of your story. And that you. Documented in your book is losing your right hand part of your right arm as well and right leg in shark attack. And I mean, the story behind this is pretty insane. It's not something people think is going to happen when they chose the military, and you have to be in fear of your life for combat situations, but shark attack I've heard you described as well like you'd be more likely to win the lottery. Yeah. It definitely wasn't something that I was expecting going to just a normal diet work. Diving swimming incident, hobble where we work all of the time, but inciting that my greatest view shocks. And it's almost like I created my west not mad by visualizing it so much, but. In the job that we have, you know, whether it's combat all whether it's dealing with explosives, or whatever I. It is a diner Israel, and you can't get pissed off an upset when you choose diners pop. Something goes wrong. It's whether that's down to the universe and destiny, oh, whatever you wanna call it. But what happens next is what really matters could start just backtrack a little bit. And tell us we cover the military coin. And we've had a couple of Australians not too many on probably not enough on the podcast. And it's wonder if you could tell us a little bit about your path into joining the Australian military in your in your military career. Yeah. Who also we had we had a long time ago. We had a guy from Sasser on mayor, rob Millar. Yep. Yeah. I feel like I've met rob by Conrad Madine. Neither the night. Very well. We have some mutual friends. He was a snot grow something. Yeah. Yeah. I think like a lot of people joined out of desperation just because I had this overwhelming sense of adventure. But it was misdirected into other areas. My dad was a cop and. We grew up six people in the family on a policeman's 'Wij in the eighties. So not a lot of money. I struggled with them dogs. Anyway, struggled with getting bullied at school because I was showing skinny and had biggies vice full of freckles and an struggling with the the whole not out of the Cape up with the giants type scenario in the United the coolest naked. You got secondhand by Jima Mexico's hungry all the time. And so when I I had hit Greg sped around fifteen. I started doing mood sly, and I started fighting back, and that guy me some guy colored, but that was also directed, and then I had to call in to down stop stealing things to get things that I wanted to keep up with my buddies and get nice snake is in the closer. We got shoplift would breaking. 'cause still Kozel nine I wanted money. But for some reason, I didn't feel like I wanted to look understand what goes through your head when you're a teenager. So I started selling weighed, and it just it. It wasn't the path that I've dreamed of I grew up in a small CD in a strike. Oh, KMart which is the capital in just a really boring place back then, but I digress. Watching people Stevo when dive at bra I read constantly, I didn't do school. But I did rate a lot as I knew that that was incredible world out dam, and I just I had no idea. How did they apart of it? How was I going to get out in Sadol? And so one night I got jumped by twenty guys on just before my twenty. But the point I was working behind BAAs not clubs in a working kitchen hand selling wait on the side. And. Johnston. Just really my ass kicked in decided that I couldn't pay there any more I had to somehow remove myself from this environment. And so I I moved away a drive twelve hours to apply cold Brisbane, and I tried to start again, those working behind bars, Mr. club making rap music, hold different change of career at it was fun. You know, it was it was something different. It was new friends. It was new city. But at the end of the day, I still I took the problem with me because I was the problem and say at it'll fella pot and just out. She desperation. I I decided to join the army in my my two young brothers had already joined they were not Tillery night. They laughed at me when I. But I did say if you'd gonna join just dunk join infantry, whatever you do want Mike is to hod. So join infantry. Enter the infantry is the army. I mean, come on. Yeah. That's exactly that's hell. Let sword really know about any other jobs in the army. I I looked at the list of jobs when I was in the enlistment. What do you call it a listening office and had this thing called a an assault piney? And I was like, oh my God is fucking stormtrooper. That's what I wanna do. Ended up in the infantry. And that gave me a whole new lace on life, again, Mahoney said values and really a sense of pride. And I think that's what what helps me the most wearing that uniform representing my country feeling like I was I was training for and doing something special that told me how to push pas my boundaries. And it gave me the foundation to build a great life on the military can be I mean, sometimes we hear about the negative influence of the military. I'm reading this book right now about a about arranger who ended up committing a Bank robbery and Tacoma. And and the book is a lot about the the from the author's perspective the negative influence about the military. But I mean, the military is also a vehicle for a lot of people to uplift themselves pull themselves out of poverty, as you say, learn some positive values and some self confidence. It really is what you make of it out of my my whole insight. Yeah. That was it was eight of us from my infantry training school in it went to able and of those eight after two years, I was the only one still at all the rest of them had Miceli gone. I won't I couldn't pick save how you would go through. Boot camp, and then infantry training school, and then you get to the easy pot. And then you buy out like at the battalion, you've got you've got your weekends off a lot of the time you making more money. You don't get traded like a bag of Dicks like doing? Training. Just couldn't write my head around. Why that would leave now? And like like, you said, I've I've had bodies end up in jail people that have done robberies in style dealing drugs. And I'd I chose the wrong path. I can say the benefiting that during that in say, I guess the the pride and the sense of achievement in being Representative of on forces via country in some of the best advice. I ever got. I before joining the military probably was the best advice was that you get out of it. What you put into it? And it's absolutely true. Yeah. It's to sales uplift soldier by. Yeah. When you try every day you wake up I have a very poll retention of knowledge. I know that and so I know how to combat that. So I just also pirate Fasching do it ever. Never never never again. And so I would work at that. Whereas other people just wouldn't just. I would go out and get on the on the peace with them every weekend. We drink outsell silly. We do stupid things. But at the end of the dine meeting that I had this very important job. And I would guy back to it with my mind in the guy and try really hard and have here is just like before joined and I had heroes like save own divan Brendel those guys inside the army. I was looking for someone else to look up to someone to to follow in emulating. It you stop with. You'll you section commanders. And then you when you start to make more people in the talian, you learn about the recon guys on the Snyder guys in the heavy weapons, and the guys that transfer out against two special rations in those with the people that I was trying to look up to an emulate site that I would be maybe one day in this situation was someone would be looking up to may unoccupied set the good example and feel at feel. Good about myself because I think that was a a really detracting factor of who I was before the meal, which I didn't feel good about myself is that how you ended up becoming a diver that you saw that as the next kind of career progression. The next special skill to learn. Kinda was looking for something. I just come back about six months previous to that from abrasions with the UN in a stay Moore's pace. Caper got I was away on exercising. The company commander cold my ceus in my company such a major to talk to me, and I'm just a. Just brought it sold around exercise. My see a semi comes up to me with the finest says duchy the bus. He wants to talk to you. And I'm just thinking what does fuck the bus until? He's just he's simply said duchy. Do you wanna go to the same? And I said fucking boss and si- packed up. All my kid. I made a few other guys been selected to go to Iraq to bolster a security detachment Elza. All amen. I was like fuck. Yeah. This is the next step, and we went to go to allow desert canes out language, Saturday Rome's at all that crazy stuff to get ready, dotted joy briefings Ned full days before we left I canceled the trip on us the chief of the army decided he didn't want to send anyone for less than three months when we were going to help for two and a half. And so they can't it on us and migration just went down the giant and in my work at the dotted to sleep. And I I started seeing the flaws and the the the benefits in what I was doing. I was looking down the barrel of just joined back to doing the simul exercise. Every now. How to do this fucking job inside out? I just didn't want to be one of those disatisfied crusty ELD Sajjad's that that heights live angry all the time. No, I came into this job loving at enjoying it. I wanted to continue down that path. And then we would doing Hewitt trading so hell helicopter underwater Skype training 'cause we're about to go on sauce. New Caledonia do a mock evacuation of foreign nationals as we're going to be flying the isolation. And so two Dekel to do that you have to do that Hewitt goals. And one of the guys was a safety to make sure that I'm guys didn't drain on it was thing code clearance. Stop in not heard about these guys that are up on the issue of the SIS in the command is the special United. I started landing about it from talking to the sector diver, and it just sounded amazing. And so that was when I decide. What'd I talked to a buddy of mine that he's like I am going to be clear and stuff? I'm not gonna spend out about this shit. I'm gonna come with that hateful down as fucking to date on. On. But I kept getting sent away on sauces over in. I'm insurance athlete. Like occupied runs ACA Capac much forever. I could swim forever. So I couldn't put on any white, and I needed I needed to to get strong to be able to get these coach. Now, it's not it's not just solely about endurance in. Sorry. I couldn't maintain any white because I can get into the gym. I had time at sorry. I went to my boss, and I asked him if I could go down to the the regimental stole which is way, we have people that maybe injured or something I got on there. And I feel that the Goshen the battalion packs in the that webbing gloves and all that sorta extra stuff that wouldn't let me go. You're not gonna count why? Because we really went doing anything dot employees any new that. I really really wanted this six months to try and three months to try and any said, look, I'll let go on one condition. If used I in the company, and you help us win the athletics countable cross country. Honorable uncertain panel. As I did I agree to it. And we won both retry fees. Not not not saying that. I was like I was the defining factor by any means, but I did play a pot. And so let me go down there. And that's when I started trying to mile end. It was lucky. I did because I didn't really know what I was headed full. But I'd heard rumors, and it was pretty terrifying. But I hadn't. It was way beyond what I thought. It was. It was why auto well. What was I've school? Like what they do you guys. I mean, the ours is known we have a couple of different dive schools S Special Forces has won the seals have one. And then there's conventional navy divers. But I mean, they're all kind of regarded as as a big kick in the balls. We'll else's as a little different everything you have in the US because we just don't have the personnel to specialize in a we have to do everything. But the first courses should still have his way learn to scuba dive and do health ledges limpet mines in to save Ed such as and that was pretty tough because I was learning to bathe in the navy and also to dive, which I never done before I'm alive, and then the science is behind diving as well, and that I think that was probably the hottest bit of that section retaining the knowledgeable diving sciences along out of minimum Cuba Gooding junior's just like flunking in flunking in flunking. And so I struggle with that but pasta got through it by the schema, dick. And that was when you go on what was called at at the time clearance. Divers acceptance testing that was ten days. Of just emotional mental and physical anguish dies dots to I am. And the you get in the very first and you do this four hour run at its Indian file and he'll sprint since day sprints. Fine carries all that good stuff before hours, and you get back to the school at about seven thirty everyone is trash read about thirty six people on selection at that. I died, and I say I said are you got five minutes stretch them, we're doing it again instantly five people just handed in the will you as flurry vests on vests in is full pages handed now that was Di one, and then you you literally going do it again for another four hours of running. And then yet you get a couple of our sleep in swimming across Sydney Haba for six hours in the middle of the night. And then you get another couple of house late, but it's a half marathon that it's five. Pay on the self Santa Beijing on and on and on and on nonstop at the mind, gangs breath, Halden pulling bugs through the harboring to Newington carrying canoes mountains with three full twenty forty gallon, forty gallon water containers in just pushed me beyond anything. I felt was a table for mind body, and we ended up with seven guys. And then once you get into the training aspects because you're saying you don't have the opportunities to, you know, just specialize in one thing. So I mean, do you do the underwater demolition piece do the saturation diving? You get a little bit of all of it. Yeah. We get everything we do the saturation. Diving a think the is a little bit scared of that that anyone luck is running into real time data to be honest. If I don't have to what we do is we do MTR maritime tactical operations, and this has changed now they've gone into expeditionary forces in the full Mattis, China, but it's fundamentally signed job. So it's long range reconnaissance swimming on on Italy, do a clearing betas beige heads clearing up to Columbia land for the ships to comment and not mine's obstructions and all that sorta could stuff and then it's shallow water. Mine disposal as. Dwell on the than we do underwater battle damage repair on Euboea, and that's diving on the helmets and the ban mouse using the drills in China cell is all that onto the welding the McBride cutting guns all that good stuff than as MCI Mon county shes so be driving on what you guys call the MAC stains hundred move between mixed gas diving magnetic get rid of all the mines blowing plice Ren decipher retrieving. Take back to shore Untited pots, I can study it than is also day land-based he would do that too. And then you can also go to the Saito gloves and counterterrorism with the commandos. So it's really multifaceted role in you have to know how to be outed to all of it side that maybe as a guy missing a tactical operations team. You have to be. Ogden come out of your job doing battle damage repent at fifth straight into that role. Knowing Zeca what you're doing that diet and sites it's pretty full on the Lenin cove is in sign guys for thirty eight wakes nonstop, so, but but at the same time, it's it's side for feeling site. Interesting because you never know what you're doing. I died. I one die you jumping out of a helicopter doing area mind is by the next I you might be going to Malaysia to do a multinational mine clearance of by involved Kandic, errands. Just the job is really great. Really good. So you got your IB. I would they on many guy yesterday. It was like I'm thinking of joining the navy. What did you do? I said I did this job. And he's like audio like, what do you reckon about the rest of the Nuyorican sheet? Don't wanna be anything in the navy accepted. It sounds like you got your wish you know, when you left the infantry of not doing the same training exercises over and over and over again at it was really good trading being and doing all that much as well. Because when I went on selection calls, I didn't get a single ballista not one turned up to pay in old beta up, Airbus Bolshoess, the pack much every with everyone in the end of the day that one guy was typing up his whole Bulbank with strapping type individual toes, I get in their room that hide me. I get in the room take my boots off and go to sleep. So then what was it like when you got to your unit, and did you get deployed overseas? Again, that was the thing you remember how I said, you know, I got a little pissed off that I didn't get deploy. Yeah. I thought I was going to the clearance divers where I get deployed operationally all around the world diving doing whatever didn't guy anyway, my buddies from the army went to Iraq and Afghanistan like three or four times. So it was it was kicking the balls. But at the same time, I love my job. I loved what we did. We we did exercises all over the place. We did we re pack. We beside me mine, we gotta Malaysian Singapore and Hawaii in really cool places where really amazing guys. But it's I think it was more on the lines of the navy. Just didn't really know how to deploy that well that didn't fully the big brass at the top just didn't fully comprehend. The capabilities of declared Savas inside you'd have you'd have guys getting sent to Iraq and Afghanistan Bennett obey one of one Schaffel pay. I n one leading Satan and that that'd be the day detachment, and that's all that in. And then once I came home from six months than another three would go at it was side, the right Tyson was so sly you just couldn't get over that at everyone's guy. Just you couldn't get a trip. The SIS in the command is going back to back to back. I when the when the clearance divers go, and they fill that CT role. You're talking about the commandos. Are they kind of filling that capability that? We typically associated with navy seals. It's domestic it's domestic terrorism. Sorry, the tactical assault group is that. Yeah. I tag them as KYW's. So generally speaking before they will created the SIS used to do that role that with a long range reconnaissance guys and also the Canadair guys as well. Then the commandos really started coming into play around around because full commandos were to our two commandos with full full baton roles drying regimen. And that was where we used to send outrage. Outrageous, when I first to the Ebola medallion, and then a lot of money started getting pumped into them pumped into their training, and I just became these hall based and they like the United the then MO electa seals the mysterious foresee gonna blow everything up and then fly out again. And so your guys would meant them and do the underwater aspect. Jackley PayPal done like this win site that have go for the between the clearance dog was going swimming side the army guys can helicopter. So then we gotta get into what did, you know about sharks? At this point in time in your training. I mean. Was this something that you were you said you had a big fear of sharks? Yeah. Man. I thought I had. No, I was just like everyone else. I really have a knowledge of the role applied in the United States. If we kill him all went after. They're not guy surfing, diving, you know, which lobby in waterway. You can't even say you hang in front of your face trying to put together a six five hundred pound bombs and just get bumped by these things in you just hug prides not going to buy still walk out. It wasn't until light up after the shock attack. You know, I had to really learn about him because the shock attack was such a huge event Giac ever knew about it that every time there was another shock interaction dry. The media would come to me for that guy. Yeah. Just just out of the the she desire to not look like a domino on television. I needed to learn about shocks inside. That's how my knowledge dotted guy. So what what happened the day of the attack? We were doing a counterterrorism. Charles new equipment. The Ardley department of the military wanted to test these unmanned video and sign off. So they could put this agreement on the wolf anyway that could turn it on walkaway ended. The it would the video would automatically track movement in the water than it had sudden IRAs well underneath and that would automatically track. Subset as tax. So it was going to be three phases. We're going to be doing CEPA swimming scuba and in Italy to see if it disagreement could get us. We didn't get to phase tool three. We we started vise one. We had one of the guys in the water. And then after about thirty minutes, I pulled him out not guy. Just give him a break. And I was swimming on the surface in wet suit. Paraffins rod alongside the navy bison. Cdabre it's called God. Nyland obviously applies where we've worked douses of times I've decades, and I mean the water for about full five minutes. On the surface kicking my legs. And look over my shoulder to make sure that I'm still headed towards the bow the wool ship, and I just get a massive, wacky my leg. Didn't really hut. Just felt like someone heat me like the bite Reading's meal. Something is turnaround expecting Sabe adrift wilder bite or some shit, and as a massive shock head staring at home, man, you worst nightmare. And so I didn't know what to do is on my mind, couldn't perceive. What I was saying because I never seen it before. And so took a second onto your thought of gotta get this thing off me must've, leveling stinks, kicked do not Javadi in the next. What you hear on shock jogging the eyeball bought? It had my hand in it's mouth pull writ, and I felt a bit of pain and a bit of tearing. And I looked down. I say the taste pulling the flashlight for my arm and sought thought I left. Hand and I reached, but I couldn't reach the because it hadn't by the back of the leg and the hand in the same blood. So I put my head on its noise. Not try to push it off that way. But all that did was push the tape of the low agility breer in my leg, a little bit of pain that too. But the point my dren Linnet Keith inside much, the pine was a little numb. And so I tried to punch it in the night. His last ditch effort to get off punch it in the nineties. But as soon as my punch was coming in it started to shake me, and the pain was just so you -ment that all strength went out of. And there was just nothing. I could do like the bull shocks Joe's work in unison when they shocked head to Seoul through flesh. And so it was soaring through might imagine. Like a bitch trip with thirty six of blinds decide instead clamping down clams day on and then it just starts soaring. Three afl. Rush. It's the only way I can describe it was like out of one soul movies. It was unbelievably painful that was nothing. The fought went out of me. And I just I it lasted about I ten seconds and towards the end the is stalled on dead. This does nothing I can do. This thing is strong. I got nothing. Grab onto conflict back. I'm drowning. I'm gonna done. And so I just kind of let myself guard. And com worst. I've me, and I realized that I was ready now I done some amazing things in my life. I done things that I never thought that I personally could shave and I done it. And so, you know, when I'm rented and the shock sought eventually sold three my whole leg and my hand and removed, and because I wasn't attached to it anymore. My wet Sigmund me boy, zephyr and its tile thrashed in the water right in front of my Feist. And that kind of brought me back to to reality realized I wasn't dead in a thought my my psyche bikes, they can say they gotta get outta here before it comes back at takes another show that me, and so I stopped to swim. But when I take my amount of the wooded sex strike, my hands totally gone on my ends at the end of my website. In. So my medical training kicks eight. And I think I've got to keep that wind above my heart to slow the bleeding site of amount of the water. I'm swimming back to the safety of some reason, I count feel my leg I'd kicking my left leg, but I just I can't feel my right leg. Dull at what's going on the guys in the safety by Al b slickly saying the rockets and of the shocks being that new going on Sunday will coming into John rescuing? They said that when I got him close actually swimming through a pool of mine are in blood that was fake that touched it when I got in close. It was just pouring out of my leg. I didn't even realize I had no idea on just focused on that by the longest of my life thinking, there's no way I'm going to get to that. But it's too far away. This shocked can come back. Get me all we know this Bill shocking hob, I figured another shocks gonna come grabbing exhau- the blood, and I'm gonna die. But I just. Might my wetsuits many buoyant. I'm not sinkings just kicked swimming with one leg on end. And eventually the boys get me, I died will out of the water Live Aid flat in the bite, and I just Pasi out onto Unser relieved that I'm not gonna get beaten again, just relaxing posse out. And that's when dial spring action all that training kicks in one guys panning me in the chest to to bring me back to consciousness because he thinks I'm going to county arrest now, the guys putting own a chi- a strap from a life jacket around the top of my word down the guys driving the bite back to and it's only we will ride along side is wasn't fought. But the the wolf was about ten foot about the water. So that couldn't get me up onto that got me onto a punt saying that was a foot above the water. And then all the staff ashore had to gone assemble a whole bunch of work is with a building something on the navy base in that had. And get all these bids wooden build a ran nine foot up to the wolf to manhandle me up there to to get the time to the paramedics Siro is on an unconscious through all of this. Now, I've got my priorities in order. I've asked my buddy, Tom, I look after my mind black. I'm just like local side stressed out. I'm trying to crack jugs untorn eqe. My my own by holding it with my left hand is tied as cannon just focusing them. Watching my buddies Thome is vice listening to his voice because I know if I can see him that I'm still alive. Did you actually your arm in your leg? Or were they waiter amputate the the hand was gone into for him? Not when you say that your leg that you were unaware of what had happened did it later need to be an 'putative the leg minutes amputated light. So the weather shock dude wasn't removed all of my hamstring almost surgically. Fortunately, we've got that the federal artery that runs up inside out leg missed that by maybe a quarter of an age. So so if it Nick that I would have been dead before I was even out of the water site. I got super lucky one of my megs lucky that the new God was in what I he actually had to stick his hand inside my leg in grab one of the Aussies emptying supplies into the paramedics. He said that's something. He never. I bad, but they kept me alive that kept blood flow down just out of she'd determination I STA on the paramedics got the and that was kinda win the pine kicking. And I was screaming at him for drugs and I- dust me up that just it would depend with some incredible drugs. Just didn't do anything ages. And so I'm begging him for more drugs. Our in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, and because that they said that can give me any more because of the lack of blood because of the lowered blood blood pressure. I started having restricting shoes. I couldn't brave I physically didn't have the strength to suck air into my lungs as the paramedics to coach me through that just is almost like Alema's Kloss putt like short. Shallow, breathing until I felt like I had enough strength Tyke one big gas and flood my body with. Going through that got me to the hospital, and I just went straight to imagine. She surgery. Steinfeld United the surgeons they were incredible trauma surgeon the plastic surgeon that I went through three hundred ladies of blood at three hundred fifty layers of blood, which is three hundred nights. That's wild. You can have the best. Paramedics you have the best combat trained medics. She can have the best doctors. But without that blood without the the blood donations from the Red Cross up dead. Neither of us have have gotten a chance yet to read your book, which is no time for fear. But I I'm sure you describe it in there. But I'm just wondering what the recovery process was like Bentley physically emotionally all that. Yeah. Understandably, it wasn't the easiest time of my life. But. The one thing that taught it helped was I had goals. I had this really crazy goal of trying to get back to work as a clearance Taiba and that was fundamentally because I didn't have anything else. I flunked law school. I didn't have any real world training that was nothing else. Really that I liked doing and say if I lost my corre- than I would have nothing, and I was that that made me think about the time my life were win. I got kicked out hyme as seventeen and I was just not working getting unemployment smoking. Wade living in a fog at shaving nothing. And I did shaved sawing much since that time. Living a dream live living at Bundy beige writing a big black Italian splits black traveling the world with my buddies jumping out aircraft blown sheet up shooting guns. A wasn't not willing to give that up and that was the driving factor of me to just kicking Heike as soon as humanly possible I had it my leg for awake. But because the shock removed my hands during in twenty five centimeters of my Sidiq nerve. I couldn't move it couldn't feel it. And I never would again and saw wind up having leg removed. What I did was they they cut off my foot, and I do a lot of my device talking and in America now that I'm based in LA, and I share they said refined is that I have of this at I've had fifty six people. And you keep count of everyone. I know full men and one of them wasn't even there got a message recently from a woman driving around New Zealand in Kanter with the husband, and that listening to a podcast I did with rich role where I was describing the shock attack. And all of a sudden, she said the campus dot veering off the ride, and he doubt listening to the curation. So it's it's pretty full on that cut off my foot dice lost up the back of my cough, muscle peeled, all the cough muscle of the bein removed, the Loa leg bones. The the condylar the balls off the end of my Famer and then folded all of that cough muscle into hamstring. So that it would fill the gap. And so the Surgers really complicated. I went through some really really insane pine directly after that surgery. Twenty hours. Where all I wanted to Dr begged my mom to find me a gun. So I could kill myself because the pain management team couldn't give any anymore drugs. I was on ketamine on mull Feng that couldn't give me anymore. All I could do is lying in a hospital bed rolling from side to side, bowling miles out begging for death was that that crazy because I just didn't know when it was gonna stop. And that was why wasn't it wasn't so much the amount of pain. It was affected one Allen to Alice three I seventeen Allison and hadn't subsided. And I just it it played such a month. Fuck with me whole I wanted to die. But fortunately after about twenty hours at its subsided that guy mo- drugs in and then two days off of that. I started training. There wasn't really anything. I could do. But I couldn't lie that like the the laying the solitude when there was no dad the thinking of the situation, I knew was going to do more damage than anything else. So I needed to feel like I was achieving something to to that goal of getting back to even if it was a micro goal, and I looked up and I couldn't go to the toilet myself. I couldn't even get out of bed my leg was hugely swollen. But I could hold onto the handle above my bed, and I could pull myself up on inside two days after my leg. So Malek chopped off the surgeon climbing family doing these jobs on the barber of my bed. He he wasn't impressed at all. One aren't yet. It's great with an IV in your arm. I think it so with an IV still in your take it. Ave in my I had a bulb of ketamine stuck into my stomach at had to to drainage tubes. Coming out of my leg to a little plastic sack that so the suck dill the blood and fluid out of my leg. So I was like I was rigged up. But that was a goal in my, you know, my friends my buddies from work, my buddies from growing up amazing. I brought in styro- bans, and we tried thera- bans off to all around the bedside. I could work out until I was shaving something before I could even stand up but tough times night drugs. Yeah, I have with the stomach in. I literally shit myself in bed one night. And that the brought everything toppling down. Again. I was was so embarrassed was ashamed. Coming from this guy that could physically anything that was asked of me to bane his bed cripple double amputate shooting myself like one extreme to the other just a bright me for a whole diet. And a scan of what was going to be like in a one of my best friends came. We told any said look men never feel bad about feeling bad. This nothing wrong with that feel bad. Everyone feels bad. Just don't let it ruin your hall die you whole month the whole life. Yeah. You just feel bad Adelphi why you feeling bad and then try and find white repair that'll fix it. Do something to make yourself feel better as I die. Simple words, Manica never under value. Just a bit of support. Just a few guiding woods because he said that to me awake off. I got attacked and to this detainees light up. I still remember it still plays a role in my left today. I pastas message onto people all the time. But none which hospital on mess with me. I'd love to shoot light white on super pile because I was under the floor lots whole time, but I really vikes on trading. My died in nutrition drinking, lots of water and researching the navy wanted me to talk to counsel about I really feel like talking to someone. I did not out how it was feeling. I just been doing that with my buddies. I don't need this stranger that. I'd I now and she came in. Anyway, I grade to it and she asked me a couple of questions that absolutely did not time to to anything of be my situation. And I realized that she just didn't understand how it wasn't. I felt she just didn't understand how to communicate with someone at mine level in the military. Right. Someone who has its peak physical and mental endurance and performance. Yep. So I I realized that I didn't need to talk about with funny to talk. I talk to my buddies would you know, I'm not soda guy that would hold sheet any phone complain of fucking complaint. We do that a lot. I learned that a lot in the was it something I was like psych. Logically traumatic you have to deal you had to deal with because I just think I have no experience with this. But I mean, just I remember watching a video the other day. There's a guy who's diving off the coast of Maine, very like murky green water, and all of a sudden a great white shark came through the haze straight towards him. It passed on his right side like a head. I don't think it hit him. But it was like within a foot of him in this massive shark. Just went by him and didn't give a shit about him didn't care. But if that shark gives shit, there wasn't a damn thing. He could do about it that that has got to think. And I I'd like to ask you is that something kind of FOX with you like your there's this aspect of powerlessness when you enter the ocean, and you're not necessarily at the top of the food chain. Yet. But it's not even just that the ice shin is a is a dangerous based especially you dogging on those on the mock stains, literally trying to kill you, all you diving on mix gas with a computer, keeping you alive in classes, you get down into spice inside what what I've learned to very well trust in the process. I rely on my my knowledge might pasta experiences things that I've learned and Cy the shock thing was never really a problem for me. I don't know why just. I just didn't hold onto it. You know, I'd moved on from that at and that that the shocks kind light or anywhere had to face that. It was more about trying to maintain the motivation and the the self belief to continue the training. Physical progression believing that I could get back to work and the the I I went back to the ninety six months to die off to the shock attack. And I asked me if I guy back to the diving teams, and they said, no. What he made? No, they're like, you can't you have to be deployable waldegaard the taints Lau gall. Well of just been watching mini-van a- would bring it up again. But he went to the dogging school becoming strict on like we'll have out I go and take the dog school. I thought about for while Natalie's Mazen, I said looking guy three half dies awake, man. So I went five days a week. And I just didn't if I could make me late. Turn up going to the gym. I would try and hotter than everyone else days. Hud's a blessedly could not go work. I'd try and inspire the trainings. I think Thomas kids should have. Get on the bike for their first day like pink enough Buckingham in a bad and still have a role broad bushy tiled in get on the bite in there. I am of men have meant black. Feel like they wouldn't look at a lot of its own. I used to sneak up behind him underwater grand by the leg and shake should. So you were you were back to diving when you were when you were an instructor eventually. Yeah. That point I would let me use doggy that was just strictly. I didn't say it's all about loopholes that inside. Couldn't school. As I eventually, I got back. Call requalified on. Otari diving and scuba even went on a helmet Buyten's. Kohl's learn outta tech the helmets upon together with one hand. But at the same time it was killing me. Trying to keep up with everyone. Trying to run the scuba divers Kohl's Kohl's and trying to remind positive and might divided physically fit guy through the training set the examples, and then what from six in the morning 'til sometimes two in the morning. Continuously a just did a for two and a half years. But it was just it was slightly sucking lockout today, I just couldn't maintain that. They reckon that walking on a prosthetic leg expense eighty percent more energy than having two legs. And so here I am trying to run on my blind wall in China in the gym and then maintain a sixteen eighteen our diet as well at work, and it was really sucking the life out of me. I just wanted to go back to the diving teens and around two thousand twelve I went to my boss. I asked him what the chances wear any said Paul under the current commanding control. You've gotten zero chance of going into teams inside that that was basically went on decided to leave. Got into the scary nine of civilian law. I it's amazing. I was gonna say the irony from there is and I've seen this from watching your videos. You went from this experience. Now advocating for the preservation of sharks and people be blown away by that. Yeah. Well, you know, a man we partially become divers in the navy and scuba divers and swimmers and Cephas because we love the. We love the diversity of the animals would love to see the fish and octopus. We love the feeling of being in the eye i-e-she washes away stresses and stuff like that. And you can't have that without life in the action. And I never blamed the shock because I chose that loss. It wasn't shocks fault. I was flapping around on the surface Inmaculada in a black pair of black beans. A look like food. I on that note since you became become a big conservationist for sharks. I was wondering if you have learned anything about shark behavior like how come the shark. Did it realized that you're not it's normal prey is that why didn't come back and try to take another bite. Add a you. I mean, what is the current thoughts on that on? That's my son. It was just it was early in the morning was IVA. Kost the waters Mekki say really light levels shock probably can save ERI. Well, like, I said Blackwood occur black beans. I look like an injured seal was moving to awesome just flopping around on the surface. So it came up for a test. But what I goal an exploratory bought. And what what I think happened was it didn't hit any really solid barn. And I think if it actually hit my famous one opera would have died because it would have gone through my memory. But it would felt that really hard thick barn. And it probably would have let guy like a lot of great watch. Very few people get eaten by shocks. They get a bite and his way with very delicate beings. We have Elise cardiovascular system in we laid out we dot, but because it didn't hit any of those bones just these big chunk of flesh. It just kept going going going. And then I guess it United a didn't lock. What ties did all it was full her Nuys, but will maybe was coming back. It was coming back, but shocks shocks didn't just swim in. It was still can my buddy for wall before got mate than into swimming in bud. They'll stalk the especially bull shocks, very inquisitive, but they're very cautious as well. It would have been swimming around around ages. So may be was following me back to the bite, but it just didn't get a chance to strike in. So I mean on one hand, I mean, you'd think human beings like easy prey, why don't they eat us? More often by you, at least from what I've seen on television and stuff the sharks. Really don't like us. You know, they the they know what their food is by Szekely. The the juvenile great watch they generally eight squid octopus. Listen ails rise in than the big shocks, the as I matured. I get big after move onto big bigger facial than move onto mammals like sales in dolphins in the bull shocks generally efficient ills and things like that. So they know what their foods. That's why not attacking that wanted to tax. We'd be dying. Yeah. Exactly. So I was just really it was just bad luck. And because of this whole experience you've you've gotten the chance to do work with shark week. And I know that something you're very passionate about a really enjoyed that. You know that? And like I was saying earlier about my heroes Stato David Attenborough up. Zinke old is amazing naturalist that the the wilds of night's show with the world through three eight I literally get to walk in the footsteps of minors. And that that that is an amazing feeling and not just that. But it's a great chance for military life. I'm not shooting guns all the time casually now in America. Blown stuff up. I'm not not not always jumping out of helicopters. I'm just on piracy close at the moment for my next. Right. Where are you? By the way, I'm in LA. Yes. I'm just about to get a couple of weeks of power Shing before I go into another shower parachuting to the South Pacific and survive the tonight's into knots while they chum shocks. Yeah. Laima lesson. I I'd love to talk to the insurance company that blessed? We're gonna do boys. Have you have you ever met our frontier shepherd? He's done stuff for shark week. No, okay. And he's a former brain. Yeah. Well, I I mean, I think it's been a few years since he's been on. But I know tarried did some stuff for shark week. So. You don't have the military sucking fun out of the adventure. Working with the film crews is way Molefe on. But it some it's it's become a passion as well. Because as you learn about the plot of the the shocks everything from pollution to plastic to commercial fishing to the shock feeding dried Yukon help but want to stand up and speak out for it. Because would which will literally killing Aaron planet and along the chime outselves side trying to help people understand the role that the shocks play. A he's just one little pace of the Jenga puzzle. That you don't want to be pulled out tidally and have the hall HI system top level. So that's a enduring problem the overfishing of sharks or is it more of like environmental pollution. What kind of issues facing that part of the ecology right now, man. This is a long section. Yeah. I know it is it is animal agricultural side. The farming animals is one of the big things it's problem creating dead zones in in the ocean, crystal areas because of all the the run off of the fungicides in the pesticides, and the Ol- that sorta stuff the may gas. But also plastic pollution is huge. That is a massive problem than as the commercial fishing, which is wiping out, the ussia fish stocks, and that's three black catch. It's miceli. It's not even through the fishing of the targeted spaces Spacey's. It's the the catch that they getting that one that they throwing back into the action dead which a lot of that can be shocked seals dolphins rise. It's wiles. Because if you get I think people get. Of two fish now. Don't they still have that little thing on? There says it's dolphin safe. Nets. And all that kind of stuff. With the current regulations. How around the planet, the there's no such thing as sustainable fishing there. Really, isn't because. It's unreal. Regulated in other areas that so much illegal fishing that it's just what and the cul raves have been destroyed by the massive football field next that dragged along the bottom of scooping up everything in their pasta. You're killing the environment that these animals living as well, not just the animal site, even if the Asunto repopulate, they don't have a harden to two Republican, I think the Transition's kinda nicely into next topic. I wanted to bring up here you follow a strictly plant based diet. And I think people would see you specially with amputated limbs, and an athlete. Yeah. Being an athlete would think that you are someone needs to adjust animal protein and strictly plant based diet is pretty tough. It's really not. Yeah. That's that's the -ception about. It's really not that hard. You just ate meat dairy. Just like you make all the meals that you generally like just I put that stuff in it you find supplements for it. And I was always a huge Mehta chicken old along because I thought that's what you had to do to get your muscles bay the bodybuilders rate, all the magazines chicken abruptly lane muscle gains. Did that for years and still never had muscles? And the funny thing off throw implant by. I haven't had an injury like a series injury from training in threes since the die that I switched and ice to get injuries. All the time in the military shoulders. I had ten autism Beith my elbows to the point where I could. I was like take Wrexham dies. I couldn't even lift my arms up, and I don't have that anymore and understand it's pretty confronting for a lot of people to the vegan would in the plant. Would not eighty may not eating dare inside. I could never do it in auto about as well. I was one of those people. I just thought why would why vegetarian? Why would you not eight? But dominated and I work in conservation. I went and showed a documentary in Africa where I was embedding with anti poaching units out there and one of my buddies from clearance, diving teams was running that he's running the international anti-poaching foundation in Zimbabwe at a not he had separate meal. And I was asking about he said, it's it's I'm vegan side. That's like that's a plant by smears make daring ally. Why would you do that? Like what what's the Phil process in? He said, well, I work in conservation. Matt here in Africa. I'm trying to protect the rhinos in the drives in the elephants and all that stuff and aiding the animals, and I felt like creek. And that that was what got me that was the Philip process on protecting the animals, I'm trying to protect ocean raising awareness about I've a- fishing commission shocks. And yet I'm eating the animals like grew up eating safe. I love it. But I was contributing to the thing that I was trying to stop if that might be if you think about this subject, I mean, it is kind of nuts that all the other meat. We eat comes from forming domesticated cattle animals that are that are raised specifically for that point. Like, we don't except for like hunters on their own volition, maybe in some parts of America. I mean, we don't go and kill these animals out in the wild for food. But we still do that with with the ocean. We still do that with seafood just going out into the wild and harvesting and mass all of just subsistence fishing like that it wouldn't be a problem fish stocks would explode in the bucket Lloyd's of it. But it's no everyone wants to fish in the always does whatever. And so we just don't have the supplies of back to support the population. And then when you go to data into it these. Thought learning more about how little the animal agricultural industry cares about you had how mold I care about money. And you think about the food that is animals aiding big getting the shape. Est must genetically modified fungicide pesticide light in food plus getting. Hormones to make them bigger and stronger in fat of the mole made. And then the antibiotics given because of the poll conditions living in then waiting. So you're eating all the fungicide cycled through the animal. The pesticides the genetically modified shape us Baynes in colon the hormones, and then put on top of that the FIA anxiety, the pain the adrenaline before they killed all just in my mind, something what have different opinion, and that's cool. But in my mind that is not a healthy food. What about I was just wondering while you were recovering from your injuries? You weren't plant-based. Then. Right. Not because I do remember you guys. Probably remember when Travis Barker from Lincoln, eighty two DJ and gotten to that plane crash. I remember Travis Barker writing that I believe he was vegetarian or vegan. But he said while they were doing the skin graphs on him. They said he had to eat meat at the time. Okay. I never heard anything about that. Yeah. Just wondering if at the time, it would have been a problem, you know, in order to just with your injuries. I don't see why I think there's a lotta miss misconception about. Getting your you'll required nutritional values without mate. If you do it promptly anew Noah beat about nutrition. It's it's really not that hard to get everything. You nate. I've been doing it for threes. And. Benching mole than I've ever done before. I'm fitting, strong and healthy and unite. It's it's nice to kind of break down some of these misperceptions about it and help people if they want to try it out give him a little God, incident know, it's. And you know, what I feel good myself people like people will say all you still killing animals because all those fields that they have to find to grow the food that you'll aiding you still killing him was like it's not about the fiction. It's about progression. Site. I love it. I enjoy it as death on my plight. A not taking in any of those chemicals all Miceli Ganic when it where I can at it makes me feel good in that Weckstrom ace. I just just getting crossed the point that you'd have to sacrifice to gain. It's old guiding. Interesting, man. I it's funny because I think our audience is gonna feel you don't fit the stereotype of vacant hearing this story. So it's cool. The way we've covered all that. Feel better than I ever have site end the great that's the the measuring unite if you do something you do it. Right. And you feel good than why would you not doing it? I do have one more question. I wanna ask. And this is this is going to come across kind of an ignorant question. I'm sure, but are you your back to diving now? Yeah. Requalified in the navy if through twenty two nd twenty seven twenty twelve and now I have to die for the shock site. I've done I did a dive off the coast of Western Australia, a hundred ten fate outside of the cage with full mile guy walks. I just you know, I just went on a trip to the Bahamas to dive Tiga shocks toll. Ronda, Rousey, how to hand a bull shocks Hawaii stout of this eve shock wake a doing more. Diving was in the navy at its way, more diners. I wanted to ask you this kind of a strange question. But because of the changes your body went through, and you know, you're actually, you know, you had some limbs amputated as that change, the dive tables for you at all. I've never thought about that. Yeah. Just curious about that. Well, I'm not dead. You're okay. Obviously other. I don't see why would. It'd be no different to you know, you don't change the dive titles for a. Hundred ten key light posts into a two hundred ten as true true. Nightside. I didn't think he'd come into play a not as agile as I used to be which is a pint in the us. I've got a diving leg I use my white listing on with the big steel on it. So I can grab onto things and I can fed off any Igli friendly shocks. But other than that, man. It's it's a loved under the water unites classes, you can get to being totally encompassed in Nigel. You're saying you have anything above Seth. You were saying you are free swimming outside the cage around great white sharks diving on scuba. What's what's wrong with you? Lind from the best. Documentary. My buddy was the cameramen he needed to get out and document the markings on these jocks made watch his back inside. He told me everything I knew about Greg while it's diving with them in. So I trust him implicitly. It's not it's not inherently dangerous to I I would think that the sharks just make beeline for you. I mean, we've all seen, you know, shark week with the shark comes up to the diver in the cage and is trying to get inside all shit. That's because they're biting him. With a different mindset when got food in the water form. At the start of this year. We did a another survival show way shockwave blew up my butt in. I was with British officials has gone we're off the coast of the Bahamas in the Atlantic. And I looked up by weight, we add to survive drifting through the Atlantic Ocean for two days to not snow food on the school of ice Yanic watt. Tip shots around us. All the hulls on back twelve them. They will fending them off. But Elmo curious in anything, and then I put the food in the water and the mentality. Switch insanity. Dorie? It was the same sort of thing with the great ones. We didn't have any food with this that curious I was probably forty feet away from the cage just kneeling down with this seagrass all around made this massive fulltime flute great watch shot came out of the mucks directly at my face. And my hot did Florida a bit. But I had to remember dynamic like food. I won't treat you like food inside. I stood my ground. I shied it. I wasn't food. I was also dominant fullest at swim directly out to meet turned a fraction. And then just swam poss- me, and he save big blue writing and just looking at me and check me out and just keep swimming poces incredible. That's unreal. You know, what's interesting is right next to me. I have this book here from Brandon Webb who's the one who made the connection for us. You know, his mastering fear book, which is all about, overcoming fears as you said as we started the interview your biggest fear once sharks? And then public speaking. Real nice. I was gonna say public speaker. I just going to say though, it's safe to say with what you're doing now with shark week. You've overcome that fear, at least on some level. There's still the element of fear when you're doing what you do at this point. Do you have any other fears have you mastered, all of your fears, something funny that happens you when you come that close to death confronting euless, not mitt, and you survive, this you realize there's nothing left of Freidel. So I moved into Donald shocks. And I started my other grind speed was public speaking. I was terrified I quit. If mention technology calls halfway through at the six month month because I had to get up Tolkien front of the cost. Continues all terrified Plum speaking. And now I travel all across America doing motivational inspirational in canine speaking, so. So don't say, it is fi on my mind. Doesn't recognize it as fear anymore. It's more excitement. It's a challenge to IVA common stead of fear itself. Now, I'm not saying I was catching crocodiles last year in down for another shy. I'm not saying if I didn't have a crocodile running at me with his Djilas guiding that I would not have feta. I definitely have. But it's it's about mitigating that the're transferring into something like now, I say as opportunity to grow in embracing fee, turning it into an adventure turned into a challenge at allowing you to help me grows a human bait, that's powerful man won't the book. Once again is no time for fear. How short attack survivor beat the odds poems website is pulled together dot com at together on Twitter and at Paul together on Instagram, which are very active on both. And apparently, your wife is active. But because I've seen it. She's like a fit Instagram. Check. So just braces as. Quite yet. Well, we we saw on his Instagram. Oh, I'm sure people are going to follow you. And then creep your wife. Probably gonna happen guys. This has been awesome. And even though it's it's like a ways off I was gonna say we got to have you back on one shark week shark week comes around. I mean the summer, but I'm sure you're going to be involved in again this year. Right. So like, I said, I'm doing this parachute. I gotta get my in bay license to power chewed out of a crashing plane to the South Pacific into the world's second-largest shocks centuries and survive for a couple of days knots without Freda water site. Wow of a comeback after we've done, and we'll have a chat about how inside that was great. And I definitely hear more about working with Rhonda Rousey. It's pretty cool. I remember last I think it was two years ago maybe on shark week. They did something with Michael Phelps? I don't know you have to the he writes great watched Shaq without rising. Get to meet him. It's about that. He was on a different show was buddies on. But Rhonda know people Heidi on rounder dumped on our after she got bayton than bait again. She's one incredible human being. I gotta say she's she sorry swayed. She sewing Tillerson, she listened to everything we said, and she she really was a great personal work with husbands. Are you? Travis Brown is a really Greg the become quite good friends as awesome, man. I mean. Yeah, I think that's also part of, you know, being a competitor the way she is that she's probably a very different person that you see inside the cage during those interviews interpersonal life. I've I've even seen her attack for things that that I thought were, you know, just her being candid, I remember. She went on. I think it was like Alan after that loss and should said, she was you know, suicidal over it. And some people are saying, you know, you're a role model too little. Girl should be saying this. But I think there's nothing wrong with being candid. Absolutely Voeller ability and strengthen uniting to get onto a show like that. And then lie do she's a person that would never make shit up. But being in the public lied sometimes somethings from that you wish you could take back. You can always Seig xactly what you want when you want when you doing live TV you'll recorded like back to back to back to back. Sometimes you fuck out on sided that was fuck up. But it's just it. It's not the as east life being in the in the the limelight. All the time. I have like the smallest little type of it. I can't even imagine the I just finished working with a huge celebrity in the Bahamas teaching him out to talk shocks. And he can't even literally hasn't worked on the straight since two thousand one because he can't he can't go to the the stole. He can't go out with his kid. To the movies account to anything. So that's a very different and hod lifestyle to maintain. You gotta give those guys credit. Absolutely. Thanks for coming on. Paul will definitely do this again. Like, I said, I'll keep your Email. So that during shark week we could promote that out and talk about what you're up to sounds. Good leads. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. This is really cool interview. I go to my favorite author in the background that which one because we got the book from Vince Flynn. Oh, yeah. Red war. Yeah. We had the we had the author who's taken up the mantle sense. You know? You know, Kyle knows file mills he was out of just finished the one before that he's my five unloved that story. Well, I'm sure they'll be glad to hear it. I mean, they're they're team seems to listen to the podcast. Really raise go. Listen to the I didn't know that book was released yet. I'm gonna go get it tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Listen back. We had Kyle knows on. It was a great one, but Yemen pre sheet it, thanks. Thanks for coming on. And he's on. Thanks, guys. Good luck on shark week. I'm gonna data accent take care. Man. So a lot of people wish to the podcast like we got that interview. Sorry, we got that Email from a listener who said he was really inspired by the Quin. Emerson interview. I think this is a huge dose of inspiration. Whenever you fear. Whatever is bothering you. I mean, this it just sounds like he got right back into the action after losing to Lin. Yeah. Couldn't couldn't stop wouldn't stop. You know, that's one of those things where I bet it obviously kept him going and kept him saying, you know, had a goal to shoot for its maybe for some people. Anyway, it's those times when life slows down a little bit. That's when you kinda have to reconcile some of the things that have happened to you. And it sounds like he has. But man that scares the shit outta mate. Like, I would any day rather go back to war. In combat. It's, you know, grown men to soldier show up on the battlefield. And it's just understood somebody's going home in a body bag, right? Like, it is what it is. But to be underwater and get attacked by a shark like that's one of those things like a great white sharks coming right at you or a bull shark in his case. Like, there is not a fucking thing. You can really do if you're lucky maybe you can get an eye gal or grab it skills or something like that. But one of those big sharks? It's so big like, you're just fucked. That scares the shit out of me. I think it would anybody. Yeah. But I mean, it does seem like he's overcome all fierce because of it. And I do get that. I mean, I've never had a near death experience. But I'm sure after that you say to yourself what more can you do I at least partially understand, you know, him wanting to go back to work and getting so involved with the sharks. It's like one of those things where you have to confront it and kind of overcome it, or it's or it's just going to be one of those things that's going to define your life. Or I was going to say which I just started Carmen gentiles book where he's he goes right back. Same same same story. You know, he got he got blinded in one I got his shit together and went back to Afghanistan. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. It's it's like something. There's two pants in front of you like either you confront all that shit or you just sit on the couch. Eating Doritos getting fat and wallowing in self pity or worse. Case scenario be you know, one of these as we hear twenty two Veterans Day if that is the number. Yeah. Addicted to opiates, you know, you know. Yeah. God forbid, you know, shooting yourself. I mean, it's like one of the I feel like there's really a a hard decision that has to be made there. Go down one path or the other. And it is a decision even if you commit suicide. It's a bad decision. Yeah. But that's a decision you make. And you know, what what Carmine did what what Paul did they made decisions to they decided to go down towards a more positive path and confront some of those fears and push past them, and I've been he'd never would have thought, you know, like he was a navy diver. But he wasn't anyone ever heard of now, he's going places inspiring people. He put out a book he's been onto televisual television show and a series yearly with shark week. Like, he's a name that people know now, he's got a big falling. 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So it's just I don't know. It's interesting to me hearing about different people's diets and lifestyles, but I I do agree with if it's something that worked for you a mole for that very lazy fair with that. And yes thing Donald Trump tweeted, I saw which recruited from some website, right? You wanted to drive it or it's a like a campaign poster kind of deal for Elizabeth Warren. And it says Warren and then below it says one slash twenty twentieth. Yeah. Making reference to her native American. Okay. That's fucking funny. What he tweeted it out real? You're the president. I said it before my Twitter feed with her announcing, you know, an exploratory committee. I I really feel. She stands no chance. I I don't think she's appealing to the mainstream average American. Now. The the Democrats are dumbed they're making every mistake there is to make they could run Joe Biden and maybe win, but they're they're not going to do it because he's an old white guy. So they're going to want to run somebody who's unelectable and basically hand this thing to Donald I think that's probably what's going to happen. Yeah. I think it's very likely of other names. I'm hearing though, I think someone if I'm being objective here. Someone like Cory Booker would be more appealing than a whiz Warren. I think it was Warren between her radical views, but also just even her speaking style and things like that that people don't take into account on when we're talking, but people forget that that the public votes based on really small things sometimes just how this person looks. And you know, I I don't find it too. Electable? But I really I think Trump is gonna win again. I think we're gonna see Trump went in twenty twenty. And now that it's twenty nineteen we're gearing up for what's going to be probably a heated democrat primary. Yep. Yep. All right. 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Episode 278 - Vision 2020 (1/6/19)
The. Yeah. Kick it off. I don't know. Maybe a little bit rusty. Yeah. We have a while. Yeah. All right. I'm ready now. What are we? What are what are we getting by explaining what happened to the new year? Yeah. We got some bad news. Want to get off in a bad. Moment in the land for twenty nine hundred. I screwed up. I didn't right. Last year. Did you do? Yeah. What was it? A Taylor would not be well suited to tailor this sort of suits lawsuit. It was a loss. Oh, yeah. No. I remember right prophetic. Yeah. Wow. Can you one where the answer to the riddle is? Sue for turn east fees. That's the thing. So I didn't write a real. I wrote the answer to the riddle. Yeah. So let's do this. Let's give people the answer. And then they can think of one. Okay. All right. The answer to the riddle is a journey. All right. And you know, close your ears. If you don't spoilers for this one the riddle for this answer is it's a cool place in the mall. You can go to get shoes. Hats shirts. Anything else bracelets? You just look awesome. No one's gonna know that you're thirty five. Well, sorry about the New Year's riddle. I know I had a year to write it. I we've been busy. Yeah. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't stop believing in you picture picture, like it's like A Beautiful Mind Virgils in his study with like three different chalkboards and globe trying to write the riddle and he'd just like any any way right at just get the word journey. Get the answers were journey. So it's the first show of twenty nineteen and man, oh man is the year already. So fucking stupid crap. I can't imagine it's going to get any stupid. Oh, well as anyone try turning off twenty nineteen turning it back on just twenty nineteen feel like the mother fucking season finale of the TV show of twenty thousand teens. It feels like a little bit like that. I've been on vacation we've been on pod vacation. And it's just, you know, already new congress new year fit. I already I already wanted. I just it's already made me so pissed off. And the one thing that has already pissed me off probably more than anything is everyone getting mad at newly seeded congresswoman Rashida to Leib for saying of Donald Trump at a bar. We're gonna impeach this motherfucker. Well, I'm getting mad at her. They're not gonna do that. I'm mad at her for lying, honestly because come on. You're not going to do it. I think they will. But that's that's Sansa. Larry now whether forget impeachment. I I don't care like impeach him. Or don't like the fact that when I say getting mad at her. I mean, every fucking like shithead centrist live columnist and politician who is literally said this helps Donald Trump because you know, when you wrestle with a pig. You know, he'll like it. You'll and you'll both end up dirty pig. You'll get hard. Yes. So the main like the the main reaction seeing the annoying one. It's like, right. It's like, Jake tapper. And tap out. Jake tapper out of the MMA and t shirt used to be really cool. Jake tap out. Mitt Romney on David was on that shit. David Axelrod, David. Yeah. I figured he he always like whenever there's a story like this. He's always like, I think people will like it if I just softly Tut Tut about this. And just no one likes it. No, one appreciates it. And it's like, why don't you keep doing this? Meanwhile, he's doing shatter bait. Sessions with fucking Karl rove amazing. That's a good podcast. I like to listen to the X files podcast where he yeah, he talks to skeletal or and they come to a consensus about when the deficit mattered fucking rocks. I love listening to it with my entire family. But yeah, no, it it is it's been an annoying time. Because it's like all the people who like really just seems like all on the center left side. It's all the people who got everyone elected in two thousand six who then lost about thirty seconds. After is like, no, you guys don't know how to win. This is how to win. And it's like really like, I kinda got us here. And then on the other side yet Jeff flake who, you know, just his sons XBox live name being what it is. And romney. Yeah. But it's like I feel like I I'm going to be honest. I could not even like keep up with this one. Because it just like this is just a rerun of seeing this one so many fucking time since he's been president this exact same story where it's like it's the same exact fucking thing where someone like is like rude or uncivil. And then, you know, the the heel character, David Axelrod or Jeff flake is like this is bad, actually. And then someone posts a formulate tweet where it's like, you know, leftist. Let's impeach this motherfucker liberal these things are exactly the same and nothing ever the exact same thing new year. Same me. I was hoping that we would get new things in this year. I was hoping that lose worn would do another twenty three and me or like. Joe Biden would declare himself the metoo candidate or something. But no just this again, we're just getting this again. Well, I mean, it has to start off this way because it's nobody's doing anything. It's it's the it's they're they're introducing a new cast of characters. They're introducing new new characters to the DC the DC carnival. Yeah. This is like the first season of a reality TV show, and you get to see like them do one outrageous thing like, oh, all right. That's the that's the one who cusses. Yeah. It's like. It's like apparently on bachelor the bachelor one lady came up to the guy with an Australian accent that she made up just so that he would remember her the same thing, you you gotta have a hook. She's the swearing congresswoman now and Ailsa. And use the Danson congresswoman and Mitt Romney. Where's that weird underwear? Yeah. The bad boy, the new congress. Marsha Blackburn, shoots varmints at the dump. Dan, Crenshaw just man you I was fighting kids on fortnight. Oh god. Oh, yeah. I love them all Mitt Romney, though. He's back. And wouldn't you know, it basically, I think probably about a month after as reclined did his thing. Like as Paul Ryan is leaving. He's like guess what? Everybody. I was wrong to believe Paul Ryan other. This guy can no longer be a source for me in any way. Our? Nothing to say that I'm going to say that he was full of shit. Their new guy's gonna be Dan Crenshaw, though. That's the. His Mitt Romney thing Mitt Romney did that Washington Post article where he was like, Mr. Trump. Now, you've done some good things like, you know, slashing corporate taxes at the expense of literally everything else. Appointing rapists to the supreme court and child jails. Yeah. Yeah. And the child gulag system, but sir, like character matters and your character is bringing the country down as recline just said of that like like, this is a big deal on these taking a big chance here. And he's like he's he's like he's leading the way for like kind of just. Just there's nothing new. These. Ecclesiastes is the true ish. It is ever been written down. This is just actually you're thinking about galactica. Well, this all. That's the literal translation of came for his title came first. But yeah, no nothing. Nothing new under the sun. I do think I will differ. I will say that Mitt Romney op Ed it's gonna get some burned for a little bit. But I do think the new guy that it's okay for lips alike is gonna be Dan Crenshaw because you went on us and did the Epoc phase of the pizzas. And. About how you know, you should respect people. He's just he's epic. Like all the time. Gase level bodies on. Okay. All right. I I saw this thing and maybe laugh so hard this. Some woman who writes for the daily wire when it was bullshit right wing sites post. Of Dan Crenshaw was one I and two other congressman Republican congressman who were amputees and with the caption like, yes. From from war, just like. For more. They were veterans. Yes, I love this so much, and I can think is like what's soldiers getting their come up into third world. Gloria insurgent armies wreak havoc on the soldiers of empire blood fill the streets. I mean, the sands props to Ben Shapiro forgiving. Avoid like, you know, he is interested in debate with the JD pond. Any of these running dog DEM sock? Yeah. None of that. Diversity? I don't wanna I don't wanna the Bank with social fascists. Laughed. I won't entertain is in the mountains. Predation, the film, the fallacy is on the ocean. And the logic is like the fish. You don't win the banks when the logic it raise it. You went to base class Rago crest. Crest alone. For the lessons of class struggle. Oh, yeah. The other thing. The AFC she's made quite a splash because the video for dancing came out. Then she did like the reply video, basically like the narrative was like the right wing or like, the daily wire nerds or just like, you know, can you believe how dumb this mixer look. And everyone was like what are you talking about? But I couldn't believe it was one of those things where it's just like looking at an drawing trying to figure out what like basically now what I like all the right wing or what they're really mad about. Now is the implication that they were ever mad at all about her her dancing. Yeah. And then she proposed seventy percent marginal tax rate, and reminding them all why they actually hate her that and they're confused sexual feelings. Just kind of like really horny. I remember seeing this post like right when she first one where it was like, you know, like some Cunanan being like, look, this insane woman and one of the one of the prize was like, I think she's absolutely insane. But she has those wonderful Latina is that I love so much. And I think it does like dry them a little insane. They don't know. It's like our favorite our favorite guys ever the guys Brian found the horned up libs. Oh god. I'm gonna put by liberal, dick and Sarah Palin fucking crazy right out for the best phrase of I'm going to give her liberal WMD. Big where I it's like they they can't like govern their feeling sexually. So it's just like it's almost like it's like when a kid I like starts like girls, and they're just like, oh, I should pull their hair class. It also so used to being fed like a steady diet of the, you know, the Rahman hair girl and like just. Very. Them with with red meat with logical league. Zach. Like getting horny. It's like George Costanza got sex and food twisted in his head. Sexiness. And right wing politics have been fused. They get horny, and it makes them more right wing think about right wing stuff. And it gets them horny because of all the hot, ladies, they see on FOX and they follow on Twitter. And now, there's a hor- the sexy lady talking socialists stuff, and it is brick frying their brain. Because it's not supposed to happen that way. They're like fifties robot. Out of there. Also, really having trouble with the idea of Najjar someone left with a member of congress. Who is young charismatic optimistic and very plainly full of life, which is not at all like any of them individuals or any of the people they like, yeah. That's absolutely no one like everyone in congress is just they they gave up on their souls longtime ago, and you should just be cynical. Literally anyone in there because it just, you know, congress usually the best case there people can get a job anywhere else or just whatever freaks from their district who, you know, they they were drunken lawyers like John bainer or they're just ambitious freaks, but yeah, no, she is she is unusually charismatic and energetic, and even their young people are like Ben Shapiro where their idea funnest talking about. How rap isn't actually music and everybody in congress is just a guy who drank wrong. Rail and then stuff out of the case. Congress stare epic congressman it's like it's like when that fucking repulsive thing. Rand Paul does every year. We're like we're doing the festivus tradition. Give Senator Ben Cardin from Maryland three epic files. And everyone's like, this is the funniest shit. I it's like even those hooting maga- people have to pretend that's funny now because ran lakes, Trump the other. The other obviously like the dancing thing who the fuck knows. I mean that was just one of those like, you know, viral Twitter things everyone talks about for a couple of days. But the seventy percent tax rate thing is worried because now like I can't even remember the last time and even liberal, no doubt. All they talk about. Era pay their fair share. Very vague. It's very vague. And what she's saying is like a seventy percent tax rate of income over ten million dollars. We're supposed to be honest is like should be a hell of a lot steeper than that. Like a lot lower FDR saying one hundred four to one hundred dollars hundred percent anyone who makes over one hundred dollars taxes seventy percent. I immediately they're going back to the old playbook, which is trading off the fact that basically nobody understands what a marginal tax and that like they're just saying like he's going to you. Imagine paying seventy percent of your income in taxes some fucking like I don't know like like like a guy who works at Safeway, or whatever. Like, and like they're gonna pretend that that's like the new tax rate is going to be seventy percent. Your paycheck is going to go seventy percents as where he is. I m of like, you know, anyone on the national political level. It is very encouraging that this is in the purview again because after the Bush tax cuts. It's always been the debate between thirty five and forty percents, and that this is now entertained is just a huge shift of possibility that is incredibly encouraging that we're at least talking about this because it didn't seem like we were ever going to get back into that window. I don't want to like the dome like political strategy guy like court like, you know, messaging like horse shit. But like, yeah, you're right. Like the fact that like the idea of it is now being debated. Not like the idea like, oh, should it. Be thirty six percent, right. It's that like, we're really should be. Like ninety percent was during Eisenhower. Yeah. Or like, yeah. How about just ten million dollars is the most money you can have. And then after that just can't you do with ten million dollars a year in income. That's what's so important about me at Drita chrome is a billion dollars a kilo. Okay. Talking about the morality of redistributive policies, and that is absolutely a precondition for any sort of change in this country. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing the other the, you know, the sort of I guess, I'm parodying their language, but like the fight that she'd picked on the way in over the pay go rules, and I swear to God, I saw all the fucking like so many fucking democrat live accounts for just like. Yeah. Like, you know, we we like her like he's just like now is not the time for this. You know, you gotta pick. You gotta pick your battles. And it's just like pick your battles with this pay. Go rule. It means that literally there is no legislation that you could achieve as democrat like of even the things that you want to do. And they're like, oh now is not the time. And it just like right off the bat. Like, you gotta go straight at that. You gotta go to filibuster and like all of this shit. That is literally created to make sure that like nothing even even with a whiff of any kind of progressive agenda is even possible legally. That's another great thing. She's actually challenging stereo. You know, Bernie Bernie Sanders for all his strong points. I feel like he didn't make a austerity in America. Big enough issue. He didn't talk about that nearly enough, and it is encouraging that again, this was something. No one talked about it all really, it's it's very good. Good good opening of possibilities and introducing things as much as I hate this term introducing things into the conversation. It was completely untouched thing. It was just sort of a -ssume that we would keep pay go forever. Pelosi's Pelosi's favorite way of noon things widening the scope of possibilities that is the exact payoff of a left electoral strategy. That's the only one term and what we're seeing right now is the promise of having the most was potentially the most popular elected official in the country and probably the most popular elected official of her generation. In America, be a socialist. Which is a really just staggering situation to be in one that I could scarcely imagine two years ago. And obviously there's going to be there's going to be down the road. It's gonna get Messier as as the the summit of actual power comes closer interview. If that does happen. But at this point, you know, the left is such just scattered divided and concentrated all this just kind of an ambient feeling. I mean, and people don't even know to do with it. Yeah. And so that the in moment like this where you have at least for the next two years Republican control of at least two parts of government. And and the Senate still persisting in the in in the near term any value of voting any value of electoral work is creating things to focus people's minds on congress issues of policies that might cut through just the Malays in the sense of. Of of of giving up that that pervades everywhere else idea. Well, this is just it forever. This is this is all we can ever hope for and the only way you're going to get the necessary step of people organizing on a large scale is if they get the first step of thinking that that's possible. Yeah. I feel like a lot of the talk the left of the new congress has been centered around economic policy in the green new deal, which actually actually liked it. There is. I don't know enough about the green new deal salt to say whether it's a good or bad, I respective idea. But it is that there is at least some radical action towards climate change actually proposed as opposed to just you know, K we're going to reenter the Perez agreements, and the not think about it for the rest of time. Yeah. But reshoot it's lead. I think the more the more interesting, the more substantial. Yeah. Think about all you saw for the last five years was every everyone who's pivoting to the left now like Gillaibrand signing onto anti Beatty s laws and to let has come out in favor of Bedia. That is Hugh might also wouldn't go on the APEC junket or giant wouldn't go to the conference as gigantic Ryan Grim and Greenwald actually have a PC intercept today like I technically the government shutdown. But literally the first thing that the Senate is going to do in the new year or debate is an antibody s law that would allow states to sue. Any company they do business with if they support Bedia if there is someone on the national level puts in the purview. Why do you have to sign a loyalty oath to Israel? That is actually that's massive. That's I. I tweeted about this morning, but blast from the past Daniel pipes. They name. We haven't heard him forever. And you'll lay in the pipe responded to to live calling Trump motherfucker by basically saying like now, you know, what Israel feels like. Is where the house has been doing swears to Israel for years Quebec Cussing the border between God's flying. It feels like when you bulldoze someone's home, and they call you ahead S. Just flying just flying kites over the security barrel. That says, hey, hey, buddy. Fuck you a big. It's a big banner. That says Hello, I'm big. But Benny Netanyahu. Daniel Daniel pipe sort of went away for a while. Because it was like it used to be like you needed a member of your party to have the anti Muslim multiplier. Now, everyone can do it like every Republican can do it. And you know, some Democratic Party big donors like hyme Sabban also picked up that ability. But. He just you know, he showed why he's the best. He's the best at the special Israeli attack multiplier, which is constantly crying. Never stop crying. Never stop bitching about. How literally everyone has it out for you. Everyone's rude to you, even though you are the rudest fucking people who've ever lived. Most unpleasant. All you do is just wear Capri pants and get into shoving matches at a pizza restaurant midnight. Over like over like a thing where you're going to transport MDA by RC cars over the border. Cry cry cry. Everyone hates. I would like honesty though, like I mean. Okay. Like, the idea that cursing beyond the pale in Washington is hilarious. I mean, we've heard the Lyndon Johnson tapes, you know, but I would say, oh, he wasn't saying in public. What fanny in fucking Senate thing. Go fuck yourself about how how about when they leaked when George W Bush the soft and word Indian. No. But honestly to me it's not enough. I mean, first of all it was at a bar. I mean, she's being filmed. But let's just you know, rally. Let's impeach this motherfucker like, you know, that's pretty tame. I think I would really like to see in twenty nineteen. I wanna up the game. Donald Trump is a cut. Yeah. Just like the Republican party or there. It's a it's a party of cuts in British. Yes. I like state them. No, I'm saying in the American way, which is more offensive. I mean him and his whole family or cuts, and they should be referred to as such. And I want like Jake tapper or someone to have to write an article about how this is a new low. Well, the reason they freak out about it. And people say how are you getting mad about this fucking Donald Trump is president he called one member of congress in a tweet which goes in the library of congress. Adam shits? Plenty and the responses will be can't lower level because it's it's it's it's a minor expression of the greater fear, which is that as Trump ignores and the Republican party general ignores destroys the norms that the Democrats will follow. And if that happens if because the norms are what keep all of this horse shit going the norms are would keep you know norms. The norms are what keep keep the flow keep the blood flowing spice flowing, and if the norms collapse it all it reveals just the interests behind the norms, then that could be terrifying to the people who actually run the Democratic Party. So they have very vested interest in keeping one side holding onto the norms. And of course, you respond to them. We'll they've abandoned the norms to their benefit. What is the what's the point of us keeping onto them? And they won't say it. They have a bunch of bullshit. The real reason is if we drop all of that then it's just a fucking conflict of interests. And all of a sudden are actual. Title interest are revealed, and that we can't have that does seem to be the refrained from like a lot of the the sort of centrist democratic side about about this kind of stuff where it's just like, you know, I know I know it makes you happy to call. You know, Eric, Don, jR, the brothers. But you know, like, you're you're really like, do you really just want to become more like Trump you want and you want the Democratic Party to be like the the Trump party? And what do you mean controlling three branches of government? Like what the fuck you talking about? And they're the reason they're getting mad at Rashida is not because she said motherfucker, it's because of the APEC shit. It's because. Yeah. Hundred percent, like, you know, like Kristen gillibrand had had or like, you know, Elizabeth Warren or something or I don't know Elizabeth Warren, if Jila brand or Kamala Harris had just been like Donald Trump fuck that ho they all just be like there'd be. So they would love it. Clova sure came out and was like Donald Trump is a thought like just want somebody to point out that he is senile and he wears diapers themselves. I just want someone to say that. Yeah. Yeah. We not talking about the fact that he's clearly brain doesn't exactly one political candidate just come out and say that and say like, yeah, this is probably the paramount issue right now is that the president is literally senile that has to end. I forget some guy who lost his primary. Well, it's accurate. So just be like, dude, you're shitting yourself right now the video of him in where he's like. And I was with all the great generals, and they were better looking and better than Tom Cruise. So it's so Dan Quinn. Fucker the wall comments about like like woes they've been beautiful beginning at time. It's the. They always work hundred percents. In the rose garden with the Kevin McCarthy, the minority leader. Stake? Steve he calls him. Steve twice. Yeah. Is Steve Steve. Thank you, Steve. So this kind of bad into thing about wondering if everybody either just doesn't know that the president senile or just has a tacit agreement to let's just not talk about it. You know, that's just how we're there was a article in the times, I don't know how much you can credit because who knows who was talking with them that made the claim that the whole reason that Trump has decided to shut out in the government over the wall funding is because when his advisors were first sitting him down to figure out what his messaging would be when he ran decided to run in twenty four keen, and they wanted to make sure that he hit immigration on Elvis speeches. But they knew that he wouldn't really read off of teleprompters, and he just kind of talked about himself the needed thing for him to say they need thing in his heads. He would remember it. So that he would remember to say it. So he wouldn't just talk about how many times you tried to fuck Marquis post that he talked about immigration. And so the wall was an. Monarch because as a guy who builds things that appeal them on that level. It's tactile. It's okay. Well, wall was an acronym for winning against liberal loser. And there's just like and then so because it was a simple concept concrete literally concrete concepts. He he was able to remember it and talk about it and all the speeches and help work. It got all the hogs winking like crazy. Appealing to that. There is stupid him right there as capable abstract thought. They are as captured by symbols as he is fearful and dumb. But then he got in there, and it stuck. It's the only thing that stuck. Yeah. So now he would do anything else. He would compromise anything else. He doesn't have any real other beliefs. But this thing the wall has to happen because it's the only thing that he spent four years thinking, it's funny because the other kind of ten polls there, repealing ObamaCare renegotiating NAFTA. I mean, those are far too abstract for him to do anything. Then when he has said we've killed ObamaCare. So that's chat always says. And then he said we got rid of NAFTA. That's done changed. The name changed around these are thorny complicated abstract. They want us a real thing. Either Waller is -actly and that he could grasp it, and so it's an so he will he will have the government not ever reopen. Apparently, according to him he will he will just hold on until there's one TSA guy in every year. I'm con. Fuck it TSA guy doing all of the rectal searches for that to say does. No, it's great. I hope this happens bring it just grind the entire government down that would be ideal. I know it's hurting the people who are paychecks. But I mean, this is not a tenable situation having this this fucking king Ludwig like late Habsburg drool case being president. Especially with a Democratic Congress. I mean, they can't go along with what he wants to do and be a meaningful position. So something has to give I don't know what it's going to think like, they can you could do a lot of bipartisan stuff with this congress like you can pass nonbinding resolution that officially knowledge is Donald Trump like the guy found. Wendy's name wasn't originally. Dave Thomas and Donald Trump told him to change his name to that is a good burger name. One of the great burger names that we love to hear you say, Dave Thomas. That's a man who grills a great one. Why also told the square everyone else's round you where would you circle you're getting cheated there? No corners the corners of the fest part. According to the burger amazing just Kevin McCarthy in Nancy Pelosi's smiling side by sudden, they're like we've we've we all admit that. He he came up the idea for the girl, Wendy and had sex with her. Because we're reaching a kind of an an inflection point of insanity. He has lately he's been threatening to. And obviously he is said insane things in the past some often though with prompting sort of like he's a like an improv one student like thirteenth amendment and throw it out to. He's like, yeah. No more. We're gonna get rid of that. Like with the axios thing and birthright citizenship, which he never followed by the way, I don't blame axios at all. If I had that opportunity. Of course, I'd ask him some dumb shit. But you see what the dumbest thing he'd sign onto. And that and some people predicted that he's probably just not gonna fall that up at something. He the guy said to him. He was like, yeah. Sure. But once again to abstract for him to really grab onto the wall of surreal that now he's talking about using quote, the military aspect of eminent domain. War, invasion. Like the eminent like when they did the eminent in the military version of eminent domain to annex. Poland. To do that and declared a national emergency to just bypass the entire congressional process, which is of dubious to non non-existent legality. And once again, they might be able to talk him down. They give them a busy block. You know, they put on blood sport. And maybe he forgets about it. But the fact that the government is shut down in this way and is a unavoidable crisis. Because that's the thing. It's been almost miraculous except for the people of Puerto Rico that how few relatively few real crisis moments, Ben in the in the Trump presidency because obviously that would be a disaster. If he was supposed to provide preside over any really threatening moment was Puerto Rico apple that's what will happen anywhere else for this happened. And so this though is a prolonged crisis moment because it's going to get worse. Like the longer. It's not open. The more people are going to stop going into work and the more danger that you know, some of the mechanisms of of of government services become and if that happens there's going to be to be some sort of resolution to it. And we know he won't take anything less than five million billion because then he's a pussy. So I don't even know it could get even stupider re. Really really quickly. I think it could too. I mean, it's it's hard to see where this is where this still stick with what I said on our last episode where I presume this is resolved through some kind of you know, two billion dollar calls say. Say move swells it because he's already he's already said things to that effect. He's already kind of laying the groundwork consciously or subconsciously for himself that shit. I mean, the smart move is the Democrats to give enough for him to to take it as a win himself and tweet about how it was a win. But I don't know. I mean, if you really digs in then he might not take anything less than the full amount. And if that's the case, I don't know how the Democrats can really give up that especially with the new congress that they control the gavel of. I mean, it depends how they want to resolve it because they can just, you know, Trump one spending Bill and just pass multiple smaller spending bills and just fund the government department by department till you get to the last one. We'll see have no idea. I think here's a power move for Pelosi takes book out of the fifty cent. Playbook and says, we'll we'll give you your funding provided you on camera read a chapter from. Harry potter. Read a book camera Reeve human language. Yeah. You just have to read like the first three paragraphs of a Harry Potter book on camera. Killing. We'll just have to give him something randomly. He have to prepare phonetically or something like that. Or they swear we watched him read something recently. I remember there was this big controversy over whether he could read. Well, it was there's video we've talked about his go. There's a video of him in a deposition. Yes, they it's a lease that he had that was one of those properties, and they acid to read a paragraph of it. And he's incredibly resistant says I don't have my glasses. And he's like there's a lot of words here read all these, and then he started reading, and they sort of trails off, and he doesn't read the whole thing. So I mean, he could read he's not literate. But he might be at a point where one point focus long enough. We know we know for sure like his aides or the people say like he really doesn't like reading. Yeah. And I think maybe at one point in his life. He probably knew how to read. But I I think he's actually lost that ability. Can you like reading I think I think it's it's atrophied to like we're like, I don't think he can. Yeah. Senile man, Donald Trump. If you're listening to this. I thought I'd lost my ability to read to I thought I would never read another. Then my friend Andrew issued a challenge we have to read Carlo of now, scarves, seventy thousand page autobiography my struggle. I know you like that title. I know what you're thinking. Norwegian man describing everything that is ever happened is tire life. Not your thing wrong. It's incredible. I'm reading my first book I've read in four or five years, Donald and I think you should do the same. And I think if you had a little bit of now skirts reflection, you could bring the jobs back. All right. That's it. That's another good one. That's abstract thing. The jobs are back. Yeah. Well, no, it's like he just say all these things and the people believe him. Joked before about he should just say, the we built the walls that was not a joke when I would believe him, and it would be really funny watching the liberal media. Try to say actually, the wall has been built because there's just such relentless fact checking, but I don't think that's on the table because he would know the wall wasn't built what I what I like is this this scam that I mooted two years ago. The actual scam to bilk the maga- out of money by basically fundraising wall. Is now legislation before the house and a massively successful. Go fund me by transparent Griffin was twenty million. Yeah. By limbless scam artists veteran. So what does he do with the money? He has promised to find a way to give it to the government on condition that they use it for the wall. And apparently, there's a the press that he cites say that that is legal is that some billionaire. They were running out of money to refit furbish, the Washington Monument awhile ago, and the national parks the money didn't have the appropriation finish billion. He said I'll give you this money to build to build it. But of course, that doesn't involve the domain all the massive. The wouldn't involve all the other elements of the moving parts of government regulation that would have to go to build this wall. So it's not even comparable. Could you? Go to this guy's house wearing a cheap suit and a big sash. That says mayor and say, yes, sir. All take that money posited. Right. The. Thank you for your services comptroller on a big. Yeah. And the other one is some some Judd congressman from Mississippi or something is proposed a Bill in congress to allow for the sale of bought wall bonds from Ohio, actually, really. We're talking about different bills. That'd be different bills. Like war bonds, but for the wall, oh, honestly that would be legal that is that isn't way to fund government services, and it would be basically a fallen -tary tax like the people who buy stock in the Green Bay Packers. But for racism. Like people buy stock in the Green Bay Packers. Most of them. Yeah. And that won't go anywhere, obviously because congresses is now democratic, but yeah, I mean people do it they'd find it that way. Of course, I've I've a good idea for like this is small small like test pilot. We can do before we do. The big fund me gripped. Say that we need to get penile the for our nephews to get them in shape. So they can. Woo. A 'cause you're Cortes you guys. Remember my big round nephews while you're getting them ripped. So they can seduce this socialist socialist fem fa- Taal converter to magazine. We have to we're we're we're locating John based out personally trained, my enormous fat ham nephews, we need we need three hundred thousand dollars. Erotic romantic? Is there a back to back to Andrea for second? Can we talk real quick about how the God Randy g did it again? He did it again. God king the really. Yeah. Who's that Moore who has done more to nationally level national level upset conservative like trolling isn't upsetting your enemies who has fiscally angered more and higher level? Conservatives than Randy Randy. He's put the most points on the board. Randy is like Ted Williams, just such strong fundamental. Oh, yeah. No. He's the splendid splinter for sure I don't even see content from him that all he does whenever I see it. It's best. If that's four hundred batting average three articles about it. The last guy to hit four hundred the league. Yeah. In case, you're not aware of it. You know, got into Steve Scalise retried to respond to her, and, you know, rack up some, you know, some some how. How? By doing the same thing pretending to not know how marginal tax rates work, including Grover Norquist's to has an entire job is the tax code pretending talking marginal rates. She responded then Randy replied to both where he was like snipe is. Of course, he made it into this thing where he was like, Wow, I've tried to have this hashtag debate with you. But your your opponents or keeping it hashtag classy. Really? You can just reply with the baseball emoji. Now, of course, if they're going to take they take away everything fun for people. Yeah. That way as you would say efforts to make her renounce reindeer campaign advisor Randy. Engineer. Everyone has been rightfully impressed by her clap maks and all that to the degree that that matters, which is very little. But this is the kind of thing that can get tricky because if you get in mashed in this kind of stupid thing, that's the kind of thing that they try to do to Sanders during the primary was trying to get him in the thing where he had announce people on Twitter, which that's a fucking that is quicksand that is the morass carpet you get in there. You're never come out. So this is a good test. If she does feel the need to in any way address Randy don't do wheat. If if Rasheeda and she apologizes for calling Trump motherfucker like I'm also probably going to have to hang myself. Really fascinating to me here is is thanks to to see Steve Scalise. Here. We're seeing civility politics the civilian, which is fundamentally of reaction. Every thing used to exclusively to fight left in fight any. The question of class consciousness class struggle in the country. We're seeing that play out now in on the whole floor of the United States Congress. Yeah. And also like as your savior. It's like it's also we're seeing laid bare like civility politics is really about which is. Aclu ding, any possibility of a a a popular sort of political language or discourse? That is capable of identifying the enemy. Yes of yes. Our society or the opponents of us having a better future or life for anyone. And like, I'm sorry. That's politics is no that's populism. And that's all right as Evan McMullen pointed out, the right wing populace blame minorities and immigrants left wing populace blame rich people. It's all this idea. Let's not demonize people, and it just like, no, no. These people are demons doing this real. I'm not demonizing them. I'm jay. They literally like they are the Satan demons. They are they are sucking off his dick fun. If you believe in the concept of evil, you know, these are that would be evil. These are laying. Scotland's is. Imagine fucking healthcare executive because somebody who works for farmers high level at a pharmaceutical company or insurance company. These people are the ball of death panel monsters. These are the barriers of our time who decide who live in who dies all for their own. It's like Beria was a monster. But he still lived in a shitty little house. You know, these guys are doing it for their gigantic disgust end of. Mansion you know, what was funny Joe mansion went off about Rasheeda leave and said, oh, I hope you don't use that language around your son. And it's like one line. Would you use with your shit head? Pharmaceutical CEO daughter is it definitely should be allowed worse than that. Oh, you use your language. I'm sorry. You don't like cursing is is part of our language. If you don't I'm sorry. If you don't curse like you're like Mitt Romney. That's weird. It's untrustworthy is also you're probably evil. I just can't say the word motherfucker about the mother fuckers who run in control everything in this country. Then it's just like they're gonna kill all of no one has ever looked more. Like, they would die in a monster truck related mishap than Joe mansion. And just whatever reason it hasn't happened. Just still have to you you do you use that around your daughter? What are you fucking dad fuck off and then fucking Claire mccaskill on the way out like talking to gang shit about? L U fucking laws Donnelly to well. You know, I don't know if this mess is can win in red states. It's like you fucking loss in a red say in a state where right to work ND criminal right to work was roundly defeated and decriminalizing marijuana pass easily the minimum wage was on the ballot and one by a big margin. No, it was they Donnelly mccaskill honestly, swear to guy think that they lost because of her one hundred percent, they think that because they had to answer for her crazy shit and Bernie's crazy ship in the haulers. That's why they lost. That's one hundred percent. Even though the only reason mccaskill one last time when there was no AO see talking anything was because she was running against a guy who said rape is cool before Trump showed up. I mean, I think she honestly still lost against that Achim if you'd run this time. Yeah. Yeah. No question. So it was just a perfect confluence of the moment before sort of the fall from of from grace. Of that scandal cycle that could last for more than an hour again like an opponent and mccaskill came out with that shit. They from that, you know, what I heard none of I heard no hand wringing about circular firing squad. Or, hey, we need to we need to fight Trump. We need we. Let's let's hold our fire enemy. No, I saw people clap with all the center for American progress. Fucking slugs clapping or on the black back and leaving a wet view. Fucking way out the door. You lost? Robby Mook coming out trying to give advice about Dan's. Attends literal Robbie. Like, you know about about the motherfucker thing and Cortez us like this may Trump people. But like this is you know, like, I if it's just a message without focusing on Trump playing his hands. It's just like you wrote the book on losing election to Trump. And then when overseas to literally not technically lot losing election, but basically lose an election for Theresa May, wait, you're being unfair. You're being you can't just pin those two elections on Robby Mook, you're forgetting that he ran the Detroit city in two thousand ten you. Remember all about winning congressional elections. Seats. Okay. They could've lost more. Yeah. Lost three hundred. Who who put a press gangs at the border of Wisconsin, Michigan to keep a volunteers from showing up? California. Copy your round these parks. Take your stunned to go back and go on get back your book club, and you know, sort of feel as you were saying earlier like, you know, even for the ones that people that we like and are rooting for. It's going to be as long. Very very hard for them. Not to suck. They're gonna suck. It's going to be. It's going to be. It makes you. I I'm rooting for them. But like, let's be very clear about like, you know, again like this civility policing and all the advice, they're being given like what is really being offered here. Which is just a politics that precludes any possibility of identifying the. Class struggle or the enemies of a common. Good. Well. And the other thing is is the cornerstone of this. What makes it hard for them to understand? What's happening? Why you see such weird takes about how these guys only like Bernie because of how big is dick is and how he's fucking pimp in how you know. He's got no hair. And that's L. Whatever is because they really can't process politics outside of the lens of personal personal appeal of individuals. And the thing is like I saw the movie blob Bob Chipman, saying another liberal who has to pretend to like a causE' Cortez right now because she is riding high and she's doing good good do cycles or young woman at minority. Exactly. So he can't not like her even though he's probably not very happy with what she's doing in terms of protesting against Pelosi trying to go against the caucus proposing crazy things like seventy percent Marshall tax rate. He said she's doing great now. But just wait until the broS decide that she's she's Neil. Liberal sellout. And of course, that's him. Just trying to sharpen his accidents to he's really mad at. But the fact is that if she does she's bad if she propose if she does do bad things in congress. How is it hypocritical or some sort of betrayal to then criticize them for that their ideas you pledge field? It's futile bucking feud futile, peasants, we all know, that's the way we process everything. Now, you have to swear allegiance to some political figure that you swear, you're sort of them forever. And no matter what they do you have to defend them. And the idea that what they're to do is pass fucking policies, and that your your commitment is to the policies and his to changing things it's not to individual personalities. They can't they can't they can't compute. It doesn't make sense them. Another another interesting angle to that to like. Yeah. Like, the the weird way that like this kind of anti-politics is that like, you know. Yeah. When you are critical of apology. And or you support policies that are outside the mainstream or use harsh language or messaging, like, you know, what we do if we're just talking politics or offering an opinion. People react to that. Like, it's always like that. Everybody is always thinking the same way they do in terms of like campaign, optics and strategy. And like how does this look or optics rather than like, this is just what I think is true? I think the Democratic Party sucks, and is like actually actively harming this country in the world, and they need to be done away with before anything constructive can happen. I don't know if that's a positive message or when that would win an election. But I just happen to think it's true. The fact that I have a platform, and I'm saying it like, I don't know what the political. I'm not like thinking strategically about what the political affect is that I just happen to think if I say what I believe is true and say why I think it's true. Maybe like other people will think the same way. Well, that's most recruit might already agree with me without knowing it. I think some people genuinely think that way because they're Democrats because they're conditioned to losing their petrified of it. And so they do think in these very strategic terms. I think a lot of it. This is disingenuous I think it masks. Genuine positions. They say, of course, we all accept that. This is the right thing. Oh, yeah. Of course is what we want. But it's not gonna play. It's not feasible. It's not canny strategy McAuliffe talking horse. We want Medicare for all. It's just no, you don't you know, like, we just can't pay for it. Now or like or? Yeah. Like, I I don't you know. Yeah. Universal education. But I don't think we should be paying for the kids of rich kids to go to college the answer to all of that. By the way, if you're worried about rich people getting access universal benefits. They're getting away with something just tax them, actually, just raise taxes pancakes. It's free for them. It's pretty simple, but yeah, terrible. Call if I really wanted for all really, then who's gonna pay for your cheese pizzas and your fucking Bahama Bahamas vacations in the in the Epstein sex dungeon, if healthcare firm, assuming -secutive well that I mean, we're talking about like, we're moving that window. Maybe the singular most powerful thing Cortez and to live and everyone can do. Right now is force all these fucking monsters who for the past two years have been saying. Yeah. Of course, I want everyone. Of course, of course, I want this. I want to make them argue for us territory make them openly say. Openly say they don't want everyone to have covered to everyone to have healthcare make them openly say what they want finally make them all look as shit is. Claire mccaskill finally say who you are the one guy who looks like he might actually take that up. Take take up the challenge. Joe mother fighting. Appears to be ready to go out there as right now, the paper leader credit field and go. Yeah, I'm going to be the steady guy. Go say means test social security, raise the retirement, I'm going to be the guy who tells the I'm going to be the west wing straight shooter where you give credit for telling you the truth not sugar coat to get trying to kick your ass with free stuff. Of young people. He's like when people say they got it hard today. Gimme a break. Oh, he was like I'm going to start another Vietnam. Just do have something Joe Biden, it was like an old article someone found about Joe Biden where it's such a Dan Quinn story where he's like he's a lifeguard at a pool, and he's like, then some black fellows came up and. Oh, I already like where this is going. I told you ever seen a Senator from Delaware with feet like this. This one of them was named corn pop which like corn popu. Holy shit Corp. That was already making the Soifer fish like a switchblade or something. Got a chain. This is so Dan when he goes, and then I took a bat wrapped in barbed wire or chain. And I say you may. And I say this. This is he's like you may stab me corn pop, but you're going down with me. It's so how did I miss that? He's has that's like he's just Trump without demento personality book. Book. Probably also is the same relations with women. Yeah. No. He's going to be the guy who just decides I'm gonna get every I'm going to get all of the grandparents all the democratic grandparents resent their kids, and I'm going to have them run. And and and and then everyone else is going to split the kids, and I'll have all the angry grandparents since they vote more. I'll get the nomination. What are the chances of Abidin Ron the unity ticket? And then like, I really will have to just like self lobotomize. I if if Biden got the nomination you're going to be talking about Romney as a possibility if he would take it definitely like mad at Addis. Somebody like that. Sure. Oh, I have for the Romney Biden super ticket. You got you wanna you wanna think about something really do? And Kenny Chesney doodoo wet where it's like, you know, I'm the wrapping part of America. From the country's part all come together and say, you know, this rushes off let's we have more common than we. It's like accidental racist. Yeah. Right. Say, ooh. So good good to think about I love thinking about. I just love to have it. We love manual is. He's rapping onstage. And he's like, you know, you may you may seeing a country tune. But and I'm make vote for the left that don't make me a loon, and then Kenny Chesney just takes out his guitar, and he's wearing his shirt with fifty thousand rhinestones on it. And he's belting it out Joe Biden's doing like the old man like slow clap and not do it and it Romney's doing the one permitted Mormon dance, which is the flaws. You. I love thinking about this. Like, you know. I'll forgive you for your funny hair. If you forgive me for my magic underwear. Oh, yeah. Dude. What is when he twenty. We we gave you another shitty thing. That's going gonna happen. Sorry happening. This one's going to happen. Hope you like it. Only shopping cart with the wheel. The only makes it go wonder. I mean, this is like what we tried to describe in the book about the Democratic Party. Is that like basically only exist like they're only like an algorithm that just compromises with whatever. The other thing is doing no matter. How insane it is? So they're only splitting the difference. The only feeling they actually believe in is the point of politics is to compromise. Which is why we're getting something like let's just put like half of the children in jail. Along these lines Succha, look go south of little bit in the globe. Our boy bulletin arrow becomes president already. And you're already seeing articles in the economist and central centrist, liberal political journalist just being like Brazil's new populace, president has some wacky ideas. But some sound plans for reforming pensions, and it just like they will literally take the number one most important thing he needs to do reform Brazil's outdated pension system and in exchange for that he can pull those the entire rainforest and literally kill every gay person in Brazil because that's what they that's what they want that to them is like that's the reasonable compromise. You know, it's gonna be great lapenne same thing whenever they take whenever any of these like. There is something in both Niro's face that I've talked about he looks like he's always gonna burst into tears, and if this was a betting pool if I had to bet any money on any world leader self harming possibly killing themselves, j Olson arrow Brazil. So, you know, maybe even I keep an eye on. There's there's some people who say he has gone cancer. Just because he looked so shitty like two years ago that would be funny. The other day in this kind of goes back to the whole kind of promise. But the peril of having a very popular. Socialist led official Kamala Harris posted a brief clip of herself also dancing and says, you know for the record. I like I want to add more dancing politics to Kim. Kim came hit the heat. Awesome. God lucky now all the other applies on that were, you know, just like movie blob soy face. About you know, keep slaying out there or Hello nine one one. I want to report a murder of the patriarchy. But the thing is I mean, I online is terrible. It's gonna keep being terrible. And a lot of these people that you see online allow these commenters just really dumb people expect or want the twenty twenty democratic primaries to be beauty pageants, basically. And because if there are no actual political issues at stake, and you really believe like everyone just on the same team. And so you have to be nice to each other. Then therefore, you're just kind of fighting over what you're deciding based on what image, that's it image and the most obvious image aspects are gender race pretty much. But I really don't think that for the actual people are gonna vote and decide this by which I mean, like five hundred people in high school gymnasium in Iowa for some fucking reason. I I really don't think it will be a beauty pageant. I think that this will be an actual fight for the future of the party. It will be fight among the constituent interest groups of the Democratic Party and particularly vicious one. Well, I hope so the bloodier the better, it means to be let's hope it's a dance of dragons. But you know, that said you said if it's a beauty pageant. Let's hope so because now it's finding Lincoln Chafee's time to China how. Yeah. The most beautiful, man. Gorgeous Sosa perfect a perfect wasp just generations of inbreeding, providing this graceful coltish man, imagine like, okay. So it's it's like heresy Gilbert, and just all these people who focused everything, they're perfectly phrasing everything. And then Shaffi shows up. He's got like CVS receipt. Running out of his pocket. And he's like oh sorry. I forgot I thought I like that in a car just anyone validate parking here. He's interrupting that's that's America's choice. Died. I'm sorry. That was the greatest like you voted for this thing. I'll give me a break. I just I've been there a week. Dude. I'm back hurts just got a three. I see why he's your guy 'cause I love. No, Scott the excuses. He's the best the land they resent. It was very very very bad lawmaking is all about peripherals. No, I just he's there is a very human Gill like quality linkages kill gassy, my lot with Lincoln Chafee close out when I want to do some New Year's rotten eve. Yes. A rod in the new in the new year. Okay. I just want to close out by checking in broad Dreyer because he said some I mean, his brain continues to become extremely powerful. So big. He did do I was a little disappointed. He did have a big article on fortnight. It was big blog post fortnight wasn't as good as I thought it was gonna be he didn't address the issue of playing as a female character. If you are a boy because that seems like that's Garret. That's right paler made for he was just enough. That's like that's the only thing for people who are like sweaty at the game. I wish that if he watched like e sports or streamers, he would know that everyone likes a girl, but he doesn't he's not a cultured, man. It was more just about like how he doesn't let his kid play fortnight. And it's making it hard for his kids have friends, and it's not that you try to exercise every playmate that comes here, by the way, Rodney water the rust never gave us. Which is by the way, clearly killed her. They dumped her. Fucking. Well, that's going to be haunted. Find a well in Manhattan. So cool cloisters there's so trad found a well, no one was mainly just about how kids are dictated video games through them with route on this one. I'm not even gonna I'm not even going to give you any setup or tell you what he's talking about at all. I just want to read this one to paragraph like at bereft of any context. This update to oboe. Oh boy. Updates really are where the media update update two. Hey, deniers, just ignore. The fact that US that a democratic US congresswoman flew the transgender pride flag outside her office. I guess that didn't happen given how this is extreme no big deal. And we don't see this in our daily life. So it just must not be a real thing. Also prostheses ordeal. Those so if the democratic congresswoman fixes a penis to the door for office in solidarity with pre pubescent f two f TM trance children don't you hypocritical? Republicans dare call it a dildo. That happen. Well, okay. Let's. I. That is just like looking at a magic I post. Somebody put a transgender flag up. And he said, oh, you don't think that's a big idea. But what if she put a prosthetic dick there? I mean, just I guess some backstory this the postseason really talking about is a a company that sells percents penises for transgender children. Really? Yeah. Like like, you know, put in your pants or whatever. Okay. It's she describes a fake penis. And that's a good thing. Think about all day trying to raise your kids. And right. You're just think about all day all day. Just don't think about it for the rest of twenty nineteen Raj a fake never stop thinking about describes it as a fake penis for an eleven year old girl to put in her pants. Oh my God. I I knew we were in for when ever anything starts out with. Hey deniers that just such a it's such a good like, hey, you're all seriously. Fucking pathetic. You're you're a bunch of fucking. I can't believe you guys. You're not thinking about the you're not thinking about the F temperance children all day. Like, I am. So he thinks like a moral crisis. That there's thing that doesn't affect him at all. He doesn't know like so what is Lucien to it? They just are put into like state run religious camps or something that would be his preferred. It's like Lincoln said if you gave me twelve hours to chop down a tree, I would spend six hours thinking about transgender children do those he he's just such. It's like can't you do anything else man, literally like half of his days just obsessed with like thinking about trans children? This literally all he does. He's just such a rotten person. You think rod listens to our show because I could picture them listening to the show and hearing this and just chuckling? Yeah, I guess I do that. No shuttling at us. Like, you fools. You don't know. They're gonna come for you one day. I know who's Rasi and have a great twenty nineteen right? It's not just going to be spent a loan seething and reading letters from others. Similarly, isolated freakish people writing letters. Yeah. Just like accidentally killing more people. Phantoms is gonna make all the vendors trans. Wow, just what a fucking shitty life, man. God you suck man who've so another -nother things to look forward to in twenty nineteen percent dildos to stack of every congresswoman. And if you go against it, buddy. You better believe they'll make you suck one of those still does it just so his like it's like they're going to put that on there. Then we'll, you know, this is crisis point, there's a prosthetic dildo on the office door. Then what what what what what even happens you could put it on all the doors? Raj just play fortnight. Honestly. Yeah. Anything wrong. Do like what? My grandmother does play bridge with her friends do something man. You're having a bad time and loves the love the Rodford night stream. Good twitch twitch. Probably would I subscribe to it. I a lot of money to that. Right. I know you're listening started twitch stream. I'd like to see what his emotes would be all all the orthodox saints. Say Barnabus get some. To sixty two head Chuck fucked pussy. Let me see some Saint stance laws and chats. Well, here's to another. Twenty nine thousand nine fellas. Glad to be starting off the new year right back in the trap. We're eating into the new year, boys. Still an out that means. I'm not really sure either. Okay. The only time I've heard it from like this fat way. Which streamer who like he says it annoyingly he'll do something eight. Eight and I it's so stupid to me. I don't know what the original extraction of it is what I like to think about Tim Kaine doing school for me to think about him. He should run for president Tim Kaine. Oh, yeah. Why Tom cotton super ticket? Nobody's talked about Tim Caine. He was the last VP nominee usually guy. Right. Runs for president. It was the first. Yeah. Been Muskie's first man in America to speak Spanish well. Our brains will continue to grow and get more powerful in twenty nineteen. Oh, yes. And we hope that you will be there with us. So happy new year everyone ever. Ever.
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