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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Dave Gettleman audio, Dane Brugler insights

Big Blue View

29:21 min | 5 months ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Dave Gettleman audio, Dane Brugler insights

"Hello giants fans and welcome to a new edition of the valentine's views podcast here on big blue view radio part of your sp nation. Family of five castes. I'm your host. Ed valentine of big blue view. Today's show comes to you less than a week before the 2021 nfl draft months of speculation. About what your new york giants will do will finally come to an end as we find out over three days exactly which players your new york giants will will bring in to try to help them in twenty twenty one and beyond as part of the buildup to the draft general manager. Dave gettleman and scouting director. Chris pettit met with the media via zoom video conference on thursday. You can find many of my thoughts on what on what cattleman petted had to say at big blue view. Today what i wanna do. Rather than Pontificating and giving you you know my views on everything that settlement said. What i'm going to do is play some some audio clips from cattleman and pet it and and let you guys here. You know what was said and you can make your own judgments as to as to what you what you think of of gilman's words pets words. What the giants plans might be. Also a little bit later on in the show. We're going to hear from draft analyst. Dane burglar of the athletic one of the one of the better draft analysts in the business and we'll talk to him about About his seven round mock draft and a lot of the of the giants plans going forward in the in the two thousand twenty one. nfl draft. So we'll get to all of that here let's start with With gettleman talking a little bit about about all of the talk about what he called the urban myth about the fact that he won't trade back in the nfl draft something. He has never actually done in the eight drafts that he's run in carolina in new york. You know you guys don't believe me. Meanwhile jeremiah had a great line. Ness cow will have returned right turns before trades back as elva at a good laugh we have. I've tried in the past i august. It honest i've tried to trade back but it's going to be value. I'm not getting fleeced. I refuse to do and if you know somebody who wants to make a bad trade back. God bless him and but you know we've had opportunities i've tried you know and there. You have to understand the other piece of this. Dan is sometimes. You have a trade and the guy that the team is trading up for gets picked in front of you. I've had we've had that happen to us. We gotta trade. We're going to trade and so and so selects notre dame go by hang the phone upon me so that happens to. I mean it's really. It's it's like it's almost becoming. Urban myth tried. I really have next. Gettleman talks about what the giants actually need to get from their first round pick. Which is the eleventh pick overall heading into next week's draft. It's really had to take a guy at eleven that you you're betting on the potential. He's got all the p cues you know he's he you know it's it's it's just you know you know what it comes down to look at it this way so i'm a celtics fan. Don't be angry. But i'm a boston celtics fan so a couple of years ago. The cells extracted robert williams out of kentucky us a one and done guy and all kinds of potential. Well now it's year three and he's finally starting to play to his abilities. Okay in in the nfl. You know. i've got to be you know kim. I going to be really cognizant of the coaches their under the pressure to win all the time every sunday is a referendum on their skills as coaches. And you gotta be really careful when you start taking guys that high that have that much you know. You love the physical skills the potential. But it's but how long it's gonna take for it to show on the field so that's kinda like the balance i have to have to get to one of the really interesting in difficult parts of evaluating scouting and getting ready for the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft has been figuring out how to judge how to quantify what to expect from all of the players who opted out of the twenty twenty college season. Next up gentleman talks about about that process and about going case by case when you look at players who opted out in twenty twenty no definitely ryan is nothing. I can compare this to you. Know you're you're you're you're almost with the handful of these guys. It's almost like the nba. One and done the they go to. They go to college for a year and now bang there in the nba. So you know it's yet to do it on a case by case basis. You know it it. It listened they. They made a decision to opt out. Who am i to judge and you know you watch it. Things haven't changed. It's what you do between the white lines that they'd give you your value as a player and obviously a judging the character piece as well. But no i don't. I don't have any preconceived notions. We've we've discussed with amongst each other you know in the room the reason that reasons that a guy opted out. When i get on the zoom calls was still doing it restoring the interview process with the players. So for you know. I've been doing to two guys tonight. And tomorrow i'll do six guys in the afternoon And we asked them specifically. Tell me a story about the optima what what should journey like. Why are you glad you did. You go through that process ryan but again it's it. It's hard because especially you know You know tom said it before. I mean there are guys that haven't played that were nineteen years old. Last time i play football and by the way this is going to be twenty months before they put it will be twenty months between when the last time they had a pads on. Okay and you guys know how i kind of you know. Talk about the underwear olympics. I you know on the field. The feed the game played in pats as played on on on a field. So you know It's going to be interesting this some of the opt-out kids did a great job. Showed up at the pro days days and and just you were outstanding outstanding. And there are a few louis. Opt-out guys showed up and looking like me. Finally chris pettit giants college scouting director. Talks about whether or not the eleventh overall pick is too early for the giants to to use that pick unin edge rusher and also discusses the the quality of the edge rusher class and what the giants might be looking for. I wouldn't say there's too rich. Reg rushers any air. I mean there's edge rusher zero how you win you win guys rush the passer You know where they are on the board. We'll see how it shakes out. Know a lot of factors do it. But i wouldn't say this you know there aren't guys available group is there's a bunch of them there's different ones Different types which we like those ones that fit our system. So i think it's a good group. I think obscene important position We look to fill every year not this year over any other year. So we're gonna you know we're going through it and we're gonna hopefully if we decide to address at the ones there at a certain time and he fits what we do. We take our giants fans. That is general manager. Dave gettleman and scouting director. Chris pettit talking about Some of the issues leading up to the 2021 nfl draft. Let's take a short break here for a word from our sponsors sb nation. When we come back. I'll play for you. My conversation with the athletic draft analyst dane brugge ler giants fans as we continue to get ready for the 2021 nfl draft. I'm joined now by dane. Burglar of the athletic fantastic draft analyst who just published his his annual draft guide. Dane we really really appreciate you. Chiseling out a few minutes for us anytime time me on it so i have to start with this. How many draft guides is it that you've done now so man a good question. I don't know i did my first drive. Guide back as a freshman at now union In my dorm room got picked up from there. So you know. I've been making it publicly accessible for Thirteen fourteen years now. Nice nice. I love it. It's it's a great piece of work. I really appreciate getting my hands on it every year. It's easy to read folks if you if you If you don't have one go get one if you're in the nfl draft Zero percent chance. You'll be disappointed that that's the best way i can Put it in a great resource to have a both in the lead up to the draft but also on draft weekend. So you know if you're not familiar with the player you just flip to page in the draft guidance it'll have all the relevant details at union. Oba alright hey let's talk about Let's talk about the mock draft that you recently did as well the seven round mock and obviously you know. I'm primarily focused on the giants. So i have to ask. You went elijah vera tucker for the giants at eleven and i have written down here in my notes. You left jalen waddell devante smith. Mike parsons quitting pay in asia. Laurie on the board to do that. Is that a scenario where you could legitimately see the giants you know going with a player who would wind up as a guard for them. You know with all that talent on the board. I mean there were definitely some pushback from some giants sunshine's fans like lie. Bolster that offensive line. Let's get better upfront. Others were a little more Not not thrilled with the especially with some of those players on the board. And i understand that as well I i think when you look it would be really tough to pass on one of those wide receivers whether it ends up being waddell or smith But you know you look at the when you bring in kenny golladay but you also have know darius slayton good player throwing shepherd john ross in the full now i'm John rauch stop you from grabbing a receiver at eleven But i think that you look at the wide. Receiver group ends Also factor in. This is a strong wide receiver class. What you really wanted a wide receiver. You don't have to do it there. But you have a chance to upgrade another position whether that is pass roster or the offensive line war. Maybe cornerback i. That's that's an option as well. So i don't think this is a situation where okay vera tucker's there. They have to take them. They cannot pass. I think he is one of maybe three or four sensible options For the giants there. you know we we know that just looking at history Pass rusher is certainly in play there. Maybe the first pass rusher off board could be at eleven You know just looking at the needs of this team you know. Maybe you try to find another corner to Bring it adoree jackson but You know maybe you bring in another corner to compete at on the depth chart Offense of lyon like the Tucker he's a plug and play guard and some compared to like zach guy. That's making tackled a guard conversion but he has some experience guard. A guy that's gonna get overly excited on draft weekend but you'll be just gonna you plug amid. He's gonna start for a long time for you at a high level and that that's never a bad thing even if it you know some people say eleven picks too high for a guy like that but the even with the interior disruption that teams able to get at times That you need quality on the interior in various tucker is definitely i think he's it's also worth noting he's one of the higher floor players and there's no such thing as safe in the nfl draft the look at a very tucker and say just you know there's he's got lower bus potential than some of these other guys are. I have to ask you. Let me tell you this. First of all. I i looked at your edge rusher rankings. We talked about edge rusher and i. I have to thank you for making me feel smart because i have been banging the table for a laurie. If the giants go edge rusher. I think he fits the giants fitzpatrick graham really really. Well because he can play going forward he can play going backward into coverage in the short areas he can play standing up. He can play sometimes with his hand in the ground. I think he fits really really well. So it's a two part question. Is he worth the eleventh. Pick in y you have him as your edge one. I think right at eleven eleven twelve thirteen. That's where we start thinking about. These pass rushers and i think he's larry. He's the top guy for me Twenty years old and coming off a season where he led the sec in sacks tackles for loss fumbles so there's a lot to like about a raw talent Doesn't look very big six to two fifty. But when you factor in the he thirty four and a half inch arms so he has the arm length of six five player what he has the benefit of being six to where it's almost the ideal body type. 'cause you're getting a guy that can play low and play with natural leverage but he has a length so we can set a physical edge. You could use that length as a pass rusher so there's a lot of the like with z's auxiliary Just the natural tools but then you also factor in. He has the instincts He could play the run in the past He's not just a one trick. Pony so with disease are delivery. I do not think eleven. Be too early I think that a lot of ways that make sense So if you were the pin number. Eleven i would hat tip to the giants. I think they'd get the best choice for the draft and they get a good player. I love the fact that he's also not twenty one years old yet and that just to me that leads to much room for improvement so much room for growth absolutely and he's a guy that You know he misses first year yet. A acl a senior in high school so That carried over to georgia red-shirted that first year The as a freshman. He started his redshirt freshman. Georgia which you know. It's not easy to do He led the team in sacks than this past year. Like i said let's lead the sec. In all three of those categories. So you feel like. He's still getting better Character is high He was the only freshman captain under kirby smart at georgia Know just a lot to like about offered. It will not take much to talk yourself into him as a pass rusher to consider somewhere in the teens you talk about you know won't take much to talk yourself into the guy and i wasn't going to go here quite yet but but that kind of leads me to mike. Parsons too. i mean the talent is obvious but are are that. Are the character concerns in the personality concerns. I know that that there's some things in his past but but his all that talk at this point is it a media creation at this point you know with with or d you think that that. Nfl teams like the giants might actually shy away from him a little bit. They're split opinion on look he. He'll be the first to admit he had some immature Decision making it is passed and so franjel teams question just becomes okay is see Was the immature kid. Like most of these players are like you know you. And i probably were And you shirt as you got older or is he just going to be a guy that's gonna be a questionable decision maker Especially when he starts getting for straw money gets that paycheck every week of. That's what teams raskin themselves and. That's something that i think. The answer will be slightly different from team to team. Some teams might be more willing to Take that chance where others could be a little more conservative so it's certainly a relevant talking point. And and you know we could be looking back in three years and say i can't believe we spent so much time talking about it when it hasn't been a factor at all with mike parsons and you know he's a he's a pro bowl linebacker or we could we talking about it as well analyzed. Were to talk about because you're is in. You know some of those mistakes of followed them. We just don't know it's hardest part about drafting. Somebody's character stuff that especially those of us on the outside. I have no problem saying. I don't though because i have not had the chance to spend time with him and get to know him. Adopt people people high school. I've talked to people at penn state and they've given me You know just some a their thoughts on him but what is it way. It's hard to project what he's going to be in three years. Will he mature will. He grew up in some areas. A jury absolutely might but he might not so that that just makes it tough for. Nfl teams yes. So i mean my specifically to the giants. They got burned by deondraye back right. That was a that. Was a gentleman decision when you think back on it. They got burned by. Eli apple they. You can make the case that they made a mistake. Drafting odell beckham when they could have drafted zach darnold or even or zack martin. Or even aaron. Donald i think was on the board at that point. Although although i didn't see aaron donald coming to be honest with you and we all know that this this high up in the draft ownership is involved in in in okaying a player like this just looking at at some of the giants history. Might they be team might be a little bit reticent to pull the trigger on a guy like parsons shirt and i think on one side you you don't let past mistakes dictate what you do in the future but if you're not learn from your mistakes than you're making you're you're you're you're doing something wrong so it's it. It's kind of a double edged sword. There you have to be able to understand okay. Would what in the past with our process with the andre baker. And all those guys you know what about our past with our with our decision-making did we miss. That led to the not working out and okay. Where do we need to change this year. So we're asking the right questions so we're Vetting in a specific way relevant to this specific player. And i think this year. There's an extra set of challenges because we don't we don't have the combine so these teams didn't get a chance to meet with mike. Parsons in person There is no facility visits. You can't bring in the past. What you do is bring like a person for forty eight and you have a chance to sit down with them. It was a person asking personal questions. it's not just xs and os. It's how does he gel with our culture with our staff and without those facility visits without Even the as you arrive early take him out to dinner. Can't do that. I mean you bump into him after the pro day talk for five minutes but that's about it so there's plenty of virtual visits but You know you can learn so much Through zoom and you know that type of thing so it's really interesting process and dit for some teams is probably going to be a little more conservative. Because maybe they don't have as much information as they would normal. Draft ears We're a year off of a guy. Like wilson born tennessee in the first round and he'll not even lasting a full calendar year. There he's out of the nfl after two different teams and so this year. We have less information about these guys. I would not be surprised at all. We see teams be a little more conservative Than usual this year. All right so let's talk a little bit about second round. You have gregory so going to the giants at forty two. And i love that pick their. I mean i would hate that. Pick it eleven. But i love that pick you know in terms of upside at at forty to look into your crystal ball and tell me what what is gregory russo in three years. The you think he's a guy who who comes anywhere close to his upside or is he. You know just not a player. And that's why it's tough to figure out with gregor so A guy that opted out there are some opt-outs like a penny sewell or dramatic chase. They didn't need to take another. Nfl snap we knew they were As nfl player or nfl prospects were so not quite the case You know he was a wide receiver and safety. Most of his life outgrew. Those positions moves the defensive line. Senior in high. School didn't play his first year at miami and then the second year nineteen second fps in in sacks behind only chase young And really put himself on the radar as being a possible first round pick offs out. And so you're just one year of film to go on and they're absolutely things alike. Almost six six Thirty four and a half in charms. Huge wingspan huge hands Pretty good get off for a guy that is. I don't know that necessarily call explosive. I don't know he's not very bendy. But when you have that length and you're able to win in different ways You can produce inside win over the gap You just you a and i feel like there's untapped potential there like you know. We have one year a film on him so he's going to get better in. Some areas is just trying to figure out who ceiling is really really tough and i think is ultimate ceiling of everything just clicked perfectly. He could be in that chandler jones type of bowl at type of player But that's that's that's baking on a lot of development and in upside hitting which might not be the case for him in that's why opinions are all over the map. Some siham as a front player. Some think young. You don't consider him until its second round it. Opinions are all over. So i wouldn't be surprised at all. It's he went. You know somewhere in that back around one. I wouldn't be spreads if you went to your round two. He's available for the giants. A really polarizing player because he has talent. But i don't know that it necessarily we know we could feel great about projecting a ceiling In that makes it tough to draft him. Early aren't less thing for you dane. It kind of goes back to taking leisure tucker in the first round. I'm curious if you how you feel about. The young tackles that the giants drafted a year ago. They surprised some people by drafting andrew. Thomas and i kinda liked the pick. Basically because i thought he was one of the safer of the tackles there maybe not the absolute best but but maybe the safest and matt pair in the third round in the giants you know. Their offensive line wasn't great last year. They seem to be banking on those two players improving and being able to hold down the edges of their line. And i guess the way. I want to put this is in your mind. Is that going to end up. Being a winning bet for the giants. I i think that i don't know. Put it this way. I don't know that andrew. Thomas is going to be able to live up to being the first tackle drafted that year just because egg. Mci becton and jedrick wills and tristan were are going to be of players. And probably outplay andrew. Thomas but gained to thomas be a starter and maybe even above ever starter. Yeah i think he can be With more development as he can be that guy so i i don't know that You know he's ever going to live up to being a better player being the best tactical from that draft. But he could be a guy that you win with. That can help you win. Football games entertaining today. That's all matters. I mean You know we fans could live with the ed focused on you know we could have this this guy but if he's helping you win if he's doing his job and you're he's helping when games and that's really all that matters so mean andrew thomas who is my fourth tackle last year And i think there were. There were some observers. Downs forum I was really encouraged by some of the developments that he made over the second half of the year. I think that's something that You know the giants giants fan should be optimistic about and then within that payer I i did really like him. Very raw player Jamaica native who still learning the game at uconn and Male had experience at left tackle in right tackle Has the that you want. She did the vines forearms huge body And you feel like once the mechanics in timing become a little more consistent for him. It really going to unlock everything. And so it's gonna take some time. I think for matt payer but There's gonna be some hiccups along the way but as long as the giants station with him. I think he can get there. And i think it's absolutely fair to look at the last year's draft the head giants fallon starting tackles I in that one draft those two blair's all right. Hey dane really appreciate the time. I know that I think everybody in the world is trying to get a little bit of your time. These days Why don't you just tell folks if they if they haven't gotten your draft guide. You know how they can get a hold of it and Where they can follow you on twitter and all that we can follow me on twitter at dp burglar of the oh my contents on the athletics and that sets with a draft guide. A guide is as well. Auditees is subscription and it's part of your subscription to get the subscriptions worth it on the guide alone Four hundred fifteen reports in there Over six hundred players with nfl verified. Day data Everything you need to know about these guys so hopefully people Check it out. Like i said if you're interested in the nfl draft at all. I can promise you you will not be disappointed by a level of detail in so Get your subscription. The athletic you get it as part of that and enjoy all the great content. We have on there so hopefully People check it out all right. Thank you very much. And hopefully we'll talk to you again. Sounds good thanks. That wraps up our show for today. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Tony Pauline assesses Giants' draft options at No. 11

Big Blue View

25:04 min | 5 months ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Tony Pauline assesses Giants' draft options at No. 11

"Hello and welcome to new addition of valentine's youth. Podcast here on big debut radio part of your sp nation family of podcasts. I'm your host ed. Valentine of biglou view in on today's show. We kick off a busy week as we will talk to draft analyst. Tony pauline one of the more highly respected more knowledgeable draft insiders in the business. Few things to Few things to talk about before we get to my interview with tony though this shapes up as a busy week for the new york giants we will hear from general manager. Dave gettleman twice this week on tuesday. Gettleman in assistant gm cavern. Abrams will hold a video conference with media the The stated topic of that of that video conference is free agency which means that we will try to wrap up some of the free agency loose ends the on thursday cattleman and chris pettit will hold a zoom video conference to talk about the nfl draft. I'm sure both of the video conferences will focus heavily on the draft. But that is how those two video conferences are slated to are slated to go warning about free agency one about the draft and we will bring you all of the coverage of Of those press conferences all the news. All the analysis at biglou dot com. So please read the website to to to check out what we have to say about about those press conferences. also this week we're going to be We hope to on the podcast here. Talk to athletic draft analyst deigned burglar later this week so lots of draft coverage lots of draft analysis. Coming your way this week as we prepare for the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft which is now just more than a week away. Couple things that. I wanted to hit before i get to to my interview with tony pauline. The sp nation writers mock draft annual event where sp nation bloggers for each team. You know make the the picks play general manager and make the picks for their individual teams is currently ongoing in on monday. My pick for the new york giants was posted to pick was alabama wide. Receiver jalen waddell. You can read my reasoning for that at big blue view dot com. Also if you're a regular reader of the website you know that in my weekly mock drafts. That i post every sunday leading up to the draft. This last time. I stayed at eleven. And i chose georgia edge rusher disease. Oj lori for the giants that was a circumstance where wide receivers jordy waddling devante. Smith were off the board kyle. Pits was off the board. Rashawn slater and police sewer. Were off the board. So i was left looking at a board with cornerback. Patrick thirteen on the board cornerback. Jc horn in. Mike parsons was also off the board. So i was looking at at a board where my choices were either too Either to take a guard. Like elijah vera talker or to take the guy that i considered to be the best edge rusher in class and i chose the edge. Rusher that being uh-huh delory. Who's my favourite rusher for the giants in this class. If you listen to the show frequently you hear me talk about the reasons why. You've probably read my work at big view and understand the reasons why i think schematically with the number of things that oj alaric can do both playing standing up with his hand in the ground. Moving forward as a as a rusher dropping back into coverage. I think the number of things that oj lori is capable of doing and has shown at georgia that he can do fit. Really really well into the defensive scheme of patrick graham for the giants. That's why i look at oj. Laurie as as my preference. I can uncertainly understand people who are fans of quitting pay or jalen phillips or whoever might be your your favorite Edge rusher. There is certainly no consensus. There is certainly no clear i edge. Rusher no clear slam dunk in the edge. Rusher class so it is definitely an arguable point. But you know for me. Is the guy that i prefer. We'll see how the draft plays out here in in a little bit more than a week. All right what. I wanna do right now. Is take a short break here for word from our sponsors. It espy nation. When we come back you'll hear my interview with draft analyst. Tony pauline giants fan special. Treat for you as we continue our coverage of the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft from giants perspective. I'm joined now by highly. Respected draft analysts endless. Tony pauline of the pro football network and the believe in draft analysts. Podcast on the believe podcast network. Tony thank you very much for spending a couple minutes with me. Thanks for having me. Hey so new. York giants have the eleventh overall pick Lot of speculation. You look at the giants. They could go a lot of different ways. Depending on how the board falls they can go offensive line. They can go wide receiver. They could go. They could go edge rusher. They could go. Mike parsons if if they believe in his You know that that the character questions are okay. with him. We're hearing a lot lately about this idea that that maybe it's edge rusher that they really want is that should we. Should we buy that speculation or would you sell on that speculation. i'm sure they wanted edge rusher because they need an answer to the question is you know. Are there any shoes. Were selecting with eleven choice or is it a major reach as my board sensor edge. Rusher is quitting pai. Pay hopefully ball by a oj. Larry but they're never and sixteen on my board so the question is you know the the giants you'll comparable hegi one of those players Actually six spots or vice lots or they should be selected. Especially if they're looking at if you. Jim waddell stereo and the bass Cornerback back like jc horn staring him. The base mentioned mike parsons and the issues That surround him and the questions of the giants to answer deceive their comfortable. And let's talk about Let let's let's talk about if they want an edge rusher we all know. Dave ghetto has never traded down in the draft. Could you possibly see this as a scenario. Where if it's edge rusher where maybe the giants could trade fifteen with you know with new england and get the edge rusher that they wanted to. Could this be the year that they've finally makes that move. You would show. I mean the pros are you're gonna move down. Grab some extra selections and come away with a decent player that i ne- i think the cons would be a a my board anyway. There are eleven premier players in this year strap So if you move down out of the fight you're very likely going to miss out. on one. On one of the premier players and vacuum could have joseph from your players of all the quarterbacks a top five quarterbacks are smashed into the initial hence elections which is a slight possibility. So you gotta balance it out. You want from your players. Mr which could lead the giants with her. Be a secret beyond the office line whether it be a quarterback which is still a need or you trade down and get yet russia which is also a need to get some extra selections. I think the trains you genuine. If that is a back possibility. I i'd be. That makes a lotta sense. Ask you another buyer sell question. I keep hearing of lately. You mentioned cornerback. Still being a needed and i agree. But i've thought of it as a mid round need at this point you know get a developmental guy. Third fourth round a guy that you might be able to To bring along kind of slowly. But i keep hearing keep seeing well. Patrick ser tan is still there. You know maybe take maybe take that guy Do you think it's realistic. That the giants even with adoree jackson and james bradberry. Do you think it's realistic that that they would go corner. Or i'd also throw jc porn. That mexico's at the jc horner's is right there. Patrick thirteen hundred better but the juice worn down the row her. That are not the right right now. Down the road Horn could be better. I think absolutely. I mean you know we go back and forth with a ago. Jackson was worth the money. They paid him. They hit him or not. Bit of money But still you know in this day and age where alls flying in the nfl. And it's best again. You better have bigger fiscal quarterbacks. Stop a bonus adoree. Jackson isn't a big cornerback. he never was obviously. he's never gonna be or thirteen. Jc horn villa needs again I i don't know about the mental guy but you get a shutdown lockdown have corner Would that selection assuming there's no other petty still doesn't all down to them which. I don't think that's going to happen. I'd say about one percent chance it happens then. I think you absolutely will quarterback especially if it's the best player on the board. I guess my question if if it's j. c. Horner if it's if it's ser tan you don't my question. You've got jabrill peppers you've got logan ryan. You've got xavier mckinney. You've got you've got all those safety. I guess my question is where does he play. I mean you donnay homes. I mean you're going to bring them in competition. And greg designed rejection the big money this use on bradberry last year But but you can always find a place where big shutdown horn way so me ask you you know. We haven't really yet talked about mike. Parsons and i look at michael. Parsons and i think he's probably for me. He's probably the best defensive. If player in the draft you'll we can argue about corners as well. But but i look at parsons and i see probably the the number one defensive guy i just question. The giants have kind of been burned over in recent years by some big personalities in some character issues in maturity issues with with eli apple and deondraye baker and an even odell beckham i. I wonder if he's a guy that the giants that the giants would really strongly consider their in. And i'm curious you know what your take on on. Parsons is at this point. And whether he's a guy that the giants would actually go for they would have to consider him now whether you actually draft. Him is another question altogether. You're going to have to talk about him. He's gonna have to discuss possible joyce unless they find something in the with the characters use that are just so bad it take them off ordinary. Say forget about my issue of arsons. This he's not actually my number three rated defensive player. I think what people. Mitchell parsons c. You make a lotta highlight plays yeah. He's a great athlete. Schwartz will deal but it's instincts very hot and cold and oftentimes you find him. Searching for the ball rather quickly meeting reacting quickly Leave yacky action. And they seem to play. John zabel mail. He was able to make a lot of penn state because he was such a supreme athlete. It can make up for his mental errors with sheer speed That he had off the field and laterally so in. I being that is also a major concern. Now you're gonna have to figure out if your team while interviewing like a parsons during those zoom of us if you know. It was a situation where he was asked. The many reads at penn state. It was actually essages uses athleticism planes especially view. And it's something that you can coach him do But to me that that is a red flag portions ultimate boom bust prospect. But i think he's got a lot of boomer with game the boom is obviously his athleticism his size His speed and you know regardless of whether or not you believe actually ran a four three eight or whatever. It was the heat place fast. There's no doubt about it and he's not just a straight line taika so you got great upside down but when some of the issues that have been talked about roy out there as the instant which one hot and coal that is a major major concern for me that i would be bringing warriors and let's talk a little bit about About the wide receivers. Obviously giant signed. Kenny golladay. They added john ross but could still use more help for For daniel jones could still use another another playmaker on that offensive side of the ball. I'm curious for you if it's if it's a choice between devante smith and jalen waddell for the giants if they're staring at both of those guys at eleven which which is possible not likely maybe but possible if they're staring at at both of those guys which one do you think dave gettleman chooses if it's just if it's just between those two players i doubt that's going to happen and that's the question i mean. I know they signed john. Ross not really relying on john. Ross at the very productive next year over long of force. Seventeen days never shown that it during his first four years with cincinnati. It's a good question. Jalen waddell would seem to basically fit the need. The need compared the golladay and darius slayton. They've done a great job with in need of a vertical receiver somewhat field. Someone who can basically take a deep when galloway in slayton really can't do that on a consistent basis but yellow wild is much more question. Mark compared to the smith on the smith is much more complete receiver. He's smaller guy. He's not as fast as waddell but he is fast enough. I think at that point. You can't go wrong with either of those ads sketchers. It's just a matter of you. Want a guy that can Field and if you do on a consistent basis has the ability to home runs for monday point unseal and that would be jalen waddell or do you want the guy that basically a plug and play hypo zeber. You may have let him up in the slot. You may lineup. Authorized cribbage seat monk for coverage. But he someone that i think will be very productive or your word of yet go and now the smith i keep looking at jalen waddell and maybe it's because of the kick return ability and maybe it's because the giants got burned by this guy so many times but but i keep seeing Deshaun jackson when. I look at when i look at wattle is is that an accurate comparison at all in my opinion. I mean a concern for me. With wyler's he hasn't played a lot of football and he's very unpolished receiver ways on the field he. He's dynamic and home run hitter. But the fact is is it would be so playing. Sporadically two thousand nineteen primarily because alabama was so stacked at the receiver position and any showed development is a early this year before suffering. That ankle injury. So i think coming into the draft. I think sean jackson was a much more polished. Receive in on jackson bell because off the field. Issue jackson also bell because people didn't like or really highly coveted short receivers nine. The guy did it have a great visit. Were great physical specimen that has changed in almost every position of era blinds. Scrimmage So i i mean i guess it would be the same as far as your ability to his home. Run the ability score from any point. Deal the ability older games as receivers as well as a return specialist that i think sean jackson's policies receiver at equal points in their career. Jalen what tony last thing we need to talk about. We haven't really even mentioned the giants and the offensive line. And obviously that's an area. They didn't touch in free agency. They spent three draft picks on on offensive linemen last year. But they're still in a position where they need to add talent to that group after letting kevin zeitler go as a free agent. I love her. Sean slater as a player. I think we're sean slater would be a terrific addition to the giants but my question is kind of twofold if they draft him d. Do they look at him as a guard or do they look at him as a tackle. And if they're gonna look at him as a guard would they not be better off to wait until until day to and an pick away at davis or landon. Dickerson who could slide over to guard or someone like that. Well i mean sean slater is on my guard or he always had been on my god. I in vinci's gonna play tackle. The next obviously he shouldn't try to tackle bud veils But but i i'm not as high on slater. A lot of people are I won't. I would not consider as one of those eleven from your players in the draft. Now they select them. I think are the promise number. One last year was sort of a such strain year especially for offensive linemen especially for young offense with noah Minicamps now jays the regular camps. Any of put those guys really on the backflip. The number one number two. I would like to see that her warplane time last year. The basically see what they have. I think matt her could be a real good tackle. That i would have liked to see him play a little bit more so i don't think while the giant up at my needs help i don't think situation is as bad as many people project to be because i think once these guys are played together more and more in utah and get off season. Were going to become a much stronger unit. That said you know. You mentioned geyser. I absolutely love white news. Why davis whores injury was really worth a first round. Pick many got injured in final game against alabama is a guy at three hundred pounds. He's athletic. he's mulled using zone blocker. He really showed power in his game last year. Very very high wide davis use the giants somewhere day. Trey smith tennessee is another guy. If he's able to pass medicals as had some blood clot issues in the past But again not real athletic guy. Someone who is just very consistent and remember coming into the season lot understand this smith coming into the two thousand twenty season was created a full round higher than rashad slater my. Nfl scale or scouts. Who do the preseason grace. Sean slated him late last year. Tracing it did sean slayers being talked. About how bic. Trey smith is a day to joy so you know that is kind of strange but even later on when myers the the the the the hero of the will of the senior bowl is another guy early third round. He's still there. Play center guard lie karen bass although he may not mobile enough the giants in the third round. They're gonna be able to get a good offense and lemon interior offensive line even attack because tackles go through the talent. The tackle position last year the third round so the giants won't be able to come away with a good offensive lineman during the second day and i say even worth round of its nice all right tony. Thank you very very much for for spending a few minutes with me Just let people know where they can where they can find your work Pro football network a- and all of that. Yeah well we do podcast every podcast network you in a lot of prospects leading up to dribbles those interviews with while very Very inside and of course walkable network. We have the we'll have almost individual seattle reports. The giant fans can find scott not only on the flares that the giants let do down twenty one drop of the players of the sign. Afterwards dram reagents. We just released the draft guy which is free of charge. Anybody gotta do is sign up. They you can download draft dot. It's three hundred fifty pages with three hundred scattered reports and rage for more than under players. And then of course there is the mock simulated with people seem to be addicted you. I don't use it too much. Because i'm afraid once i started. We'll be able to stop here. Yeah that's that's. That's where. I am at this point tony i stop using it so you understand. I got plenty of work to do. I don't get started. Because i won't be not the moxie later in something that people absolutely love all right. Hey tony thank you very much for for a few minutes. And maybe after the maybe after the draft will circle back and we'll talk about what the giants actually do. 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685. Reaction to Julio Jones' Trade & Top Pass-catching Duos by Division

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

40:16 min | 3 months ago

685. Reaction to Julio Jones' Trade & Top Pass-catching Duos by Division

"And now move the sticks with daniel jeremiah and bucky brooks. What's up everybody. Walking to move the sticks. Tj bucky back with your buck. Let's be honest here. I was going get right into the podcast. But i looked at the screen. You giggling like a school girl. I need to know what's going on in your world right now. I'm just laughing because the stuff that we're gonna talk about later so i'm trying to originate. I saw you just like a buck. You just haven't like he's got a stand up comedian and his head right now. He's doing life. Yeah because i'm trying to figure out anytime we have a hoard a hoard number about who's number one one two five and stuff like that. I'm trying to figure like which fan base do. I really want to deal with the yeah. That's that's what it troll which fan bases bucket control I mean the We'll get into oregon soccer here. We're gonna talk about wide receiver. Said we're talking about julio's sign with the titans. Something we talked about a little bit last week. But what does it mean going forward. And we're gonna go division by division. We're gonna rank who we think is the number one Pass catching duo in each division. So you can throw tight ends in there as well. But i'm gonna go out and say okay. The fan base is that you could get most riled up we will go with a really Buffalo bills might be number one for me. The bills yet fired up about things. Bills mafia They get you know. Raven's flock gets a little. Yeah sensitive bigalow testy to if you say some things that are out of pocket raider nation in like cowboys cowboys cowboys. Sides of it. Yeah like cowboys but man Raider nation will will get upset and the browns the dog pound the dog pound a you some sideways about one of their gas. Yeah i would say still of of every team. I'd say you know what. Jags are. Sneaky to the. Jags have a very very faithful following their. That's very passionate. But i would say if you're talking still love hate right. The most people love him. If you add up the number of people that love team and the number of people that hate a team I i still would say. The dallas cowboys would be number one on that list. I mean you know what yourself. America's team that makes it. That's going back forty years or would i know that makes it still. There's people that love to hate the cowboys. When you think about it. Like i mean having won the super bowl in forever yet. Every year is the year talked about every year. So i don't know it's fun. I mean right right off top. This wide receiver. Julio jones thing. I think the outrage to me is being coming crazy because there is a lot of conversation and consternation about the fact that the falcons were only able to get a second round pick and i can't really understand why people are surprised that that's all he bought in return. I mean he's thirty. I'm glad you said that. Because i want to. I want to get your thoughts on that. So our buddy gregg rosenthal on around the league around the around the nfl. What were they were. They were around the league. At one point time were they. I came something like that. I thought that was back in the day. It remember. i never listen to the show. But i i do i do like the fellas. They're good guys But anyways greg hit said the something on on twitter about how he doesn't understand how the value of draft picks Changes from the draft to the off season in other words like he said the jets traded when you look at it. They traded a first round pick and two third round picks for a guard and elijah vera. Tucker and he said then you have. Julio jones one of the all-time great receivers who is proven in this league in all he goes four is a to afford. You gotta send a six with him order to to make the deal work. He's like doesn't make sense. And i just wrote back three things i just said age cost position like that's it. You've got a thirty two year old player at a position. That's not necessarily viewed as a premier position anymore he's declining and he's incredibly expensive versus a what twenty one. Twenty two year old player. Who's an ascending player. Who's cheap who that. If you pulled people around the league you'd rather have a great guard right now. Maybe then even a lot to debate guard versus receiver. It's offensive line versus a skilled player. I think it's easier to find the wide receiver than it would be defined a perennial all pro guard. Oh absolutely i believe so. I believe that's where the things have switched. I think in the past when we talk about guard. We feel all week though anybody in there. I wanna make sure that attack. But we're seeing now more than ever if you don't have solid gore play man. It destroys the way your quarterback place from the fox predict. If you don't have an athletic quarterback drew brees for instance when the saints were rolling. They always had pro bowl caliber gourds for the longest time in front of him because it was important that he didn't get pressure right in his face right away and i think more teams are realizing the value that will give the patriots yet. Dj like the pages but years ago. Let's this thing about this. I had the toughest time giving quinton nelson a big grade at mashed what he was. Just because the stigma and the stereotypes that are the longtime narratives that have gone with gore's for so a we can't drafted guard in the top. Five is what are we doing. We can't even have that conversation but now we're seeing some of those old narratives some of those lands of thought they no longer relevant because the game has changed so much and so offensive. Line is definitely a position has positions of premium and wide receiver. We're seeing now more than ever. You can give those guys in. They don't necessarily have to be more. He has to have an effective and functioning. Fasten yet and this is one of the other things that you can't really have this conversation over twitter. But again greg brought up a great point in discussing difference between the compensation for somebody like julio jones versus trading up for somebody in the draft and i i would then refer back to another jets. Trade would be like sam darnold so In in terms of what the jets were able to get back for sam darnold. It wasn't just the compensation that came from the carolina panthers. It was what you can do with the financial savings that you have now when you've cleared that money so there's in that it works the opposite way now that the opportunity cost for the tennessee. Titans because now they've they've pushed so much money on their cap that that might cost them. Re-signing another player on their roster or. Keep them from dabbling in free agency to bring another player. So you know you look at it from. Atlanta side wants to get the cap cleaned up. It wasn't just you know the second round picks julio they have the second the sixth round picks and they're going to have cash and space to be able to add more players so it's never just a this guy for that pick. It is more to it than that a lot. More to it. And i think what we're doing is i think every team is different depending on where the team is in the equation. Where are you when it comes to being entitled contention were you when it comes to the age of your marquee players and are you. Are you not paying the quarterback. Big money depending on those factors. You have to build your team differently and think now gm's have to have a more diverse toolbox than they used to have like. We always talk about some teams of the draft developed. Mop a we just drop them. Develop them resign them then draft somebody else when now depending on where. Your quarterback is you may be able to lean on that model. You know like if your quarterback is young and that making big money. Oh we can dabble in trays and free agency and spend more money on other areas but now when we pay them we have to have their club and our bag. A okay now. We can be a draft and develop team or your the rams where a this is what we do. We're figure out a way to piecemeal it around a small collection of stars. That are playing at a high level in their prime. And we'll figure it out. I just think now more than ever general managers have to be able to think outside the box and they have to be able to live in a bunch of different worlds. And that wasn't always the case. And i i want to say also everything is not you know. Black and white. I and i wanna do this. Sometimes i wanna look at it as doesn't pulling up the standings here I want to look at it is. We are hundred miles. An hour full speed ahead chasing championship. Or we are in full rebuild retool. Let's look to the future and we're going to be you know. Set the foundation for three four years down the road. So i want to give you the sport of baseball as an example. Look over the last two years okay. So let's go with the boston red sox. I mean just lambasted for trading. Mookie betts right. I mean you're the red sox you should always be go for it in one hundred million miles an hour and then people would say you're the red sox you can't totally tear down and rebuild so it doesn't make any sense like you're kind of in the no-man's-land you're not in the rebuild mode but you're not chasing the title because train. Mookie betts and another example would be the chicago cubs. They just traded darvish. They're number pitcher. The padres this last year f- people said all the cubs they're a big market team. How they you should be going full speed ahead toward the title and yet you know they can't rebuild can't totally gut the thing and here we are within a year The red sox are tied for first place and the cubs. I believe are in first place. So they've been able to maybe maneuver around and find that sweet middle spot of okay. We still got a lot of good pieces here. We really liked this player. But this player is going to help us. Kind of ref- you'll get a little bit younger and we're not going to have to go through the valley of stinking for four five years. And so that's why with the falcons at the draft. I was san it kind of a black or white world. It's either we keep matt ryan we keep ruwais and we go for yes or we go blow it all up. Let's take trae lance. You know whoever is going to be there whatever quarterback and then and then off you go. Obviously i don't think trae lance was would have been there but take a quarterback justin feel to ever but i think that is deported. There was so perplexing about it to me like now in recent weeks it came out of that. Julio was pushing are demanding for the trade but my thing was when you sign matt ryan to that deal. I'm thinking you're all in you. Don't you don't bring cal. Pissed replace like i think. How outstanding tied in prospect in those things. But julio is six or seven time pro bowl player he is not going to replace. Julio in your one if anything at thought he would compliment. Julio ankle. really give them a midfield runner. This offense is saying a. We'll be brooklyn nets we will score you. Worry about our quality defense or anything but to swap him out after the fact to me. I don't. I don't really know what that accomplish because i think what i'm saying. Yes same thing. Because i'm with you. I said i set it on the air numerous times. This does not make any sense to me. And then i thought well. Maybe there's a gray area that we're not thinking of we're not operating in. Which is you can a little bit. Have your cake you needed to. And maybe this is going to provide some resources. That might not see this year but maybe as soon as next year you can use some of those resources to fill out the rest of your team and you feel like you're difference between mookie betts and and and somebody like who knows. Muccio is still ascending right now. While as julio descending but nonetheless they were in within a year were able to kind of spread these these newfound money resources and kind of fill in the rest of the roster. Yeah and i think that has to be strategy. And i don't know we'll see i like arthur smith nothing. Arthur is going to be a fine head coach sometimes though. Dj in heaven been in the rooms. We know coaches fall in love with experienced quarterbacks because they can speak the same language they are gonna conversation. You can have an adult conversation whereas when you thinking about the prospect deal with a young quarterback man. How much do i have to like. Waterdown of my system. I may not be able to get to the back pages of the playbook because he didn't have this experience the more. Those coaches are around the veteran. Gatt fall in love with those. Which is why we've talked about it not only quarterback but other positions we gotta get this guy out the building because we'll sit here and say we need to get younger athletic but the longer this guys in the room. The more likely that will we get to play. The coach is gonna put on trustee shoes because they're comfortable slippers. And so sometimes you get. You have to get them out the building. You can't coach. You can't have the ten year vet. Who's been around. And i know he plays all four teams all special teams. We need to get younger. Martha we're going gonna have to do without finding younger plan to be able to do. Those things are on a ask you a question here. there's there's always different dynamics. I don't think we always take into account when you bring in players and the money that's associated with the players. So if i if. I asked you the tennessee. Titans what who makes them go. Who's made them go the last several years. Who is at player. Dare so you're derrick henry and now you're going to look out and you're gonna look you know the guy in front of quarterbacks making twenty nine point five you're gonna look to the left and you're gonna see the guy out there. Julio jones now making fifteen point three and even though i think when he signed the deal we might have made him the highest paid or one of the highest paid. I think you know. Mccaffrey clips that. But he's i think he's what according to this. He's making twelve thirteen thirteen in five years. That's about right that's about right and that was really generous. Because we talked about the time light they didn't need to. They could have just taken they had. They could just take them to the franchise number and said it is what it is. But i mean. I wouldn't that logically make sense with what he's paid right to us logically. Yeah but you've been locker rooms. I've been in organizations. I'm telling you something nobody's talking about. I mean it. It is interesting when you think about it. Because he is unquestionably destroy. The stirs do drink. But he is underpaid by that you gotta complementary piece bringing over julio jones you have a quarterback who he could sit in mumble in his locker like the reason this guy is good because he can play action because he sticks the ball out number twenty two attacks align everybody comes up makes his life easy. Yeah that that's a tough deal. That is a tough deal for for running back in the locker room so is really important that look people care about how you make them feel. So if i'm the tennessee titans organization you have to make derrick henry. Feel like he's a very important cog in the wheel maybe the most important gog. And if you can't pay him you better shower him with love and affection and all that other stuff to make him know like a man. This thing is about you and what you do because otherwise it can get sideways in locker room and also remember this. Aj brown is plan on the other side on their ricky deal. Second as a second round pick thousand air. He's not a millionaire. I don't know if he's making a million in in this year but he's also going to look on the other side of julio and it's one thing to have that what i call that childhood idolize. Julio because he was great it's another thing to play with them and then you begin to see some of the war julio's game weight according to the according to spot treks one five. Aj browns making one five a gates about wanting to get to the table again. He has another year. You'll want to get to the table. I mean what it is because as a second year as a second third. This'll be a third year. Be it'll be on a four year deal so after you if you use a. Let's go. I'm just saying though. I don't think. I don't think they take into account the money thing. 'cause we can explain with with derrick henry his value based off the position league-wide. There's a difference between your league value in your team value in the locker room. And i'm telling you man. Everyone knows that the reason why this thing is what it is is because back back years. This guy's been rushing champion. He's two hundred and fifty pounds and no one wants to deal with them. And then you look up and you see instagram and he squat and dead. Lift in the house. You like man. That is a unique weapon. It was interesting that he julio workout together. They walking out together wherever they are like. You talk about the full recruiting but their own also. There's there's two things there's logical thinking and there's emotional thinking of two different things if he goes back. Derrick henry if there can be posted another rushing title he puts hangs another one on the board. He is going to have to knock on john. Jay rob stormy lay out the best but still the money can buy right now. Let's make it right is is interesting but you know when we think about the money deal and how it affects. This thing's really interesting because everyone last year. Got on bill o'brien for what he didn't get in return for. Deandre hopkins hopkins is younger. Deondraye hawkins is as accomplished in a way as julio jones. He only netted the second round pick. We touched on this last week. A everything that glitters gold when it comes to the team building thing we can love wide receiver but we also can look out say man. Are we gonna pay twenty million dollars. Were receiver like. Are we really going to pay that. And are we going to get the return on the investment because right now. Dj everyone that has been paid big money at wide receiver. Deb return has been one guy stefan. Deke's let he's about. He's thinking about his age. He's not up to twenty million. We're where's yet with with the deal. He's i don't think he's up there when the when the check it out when the vikings redid his deal i don't think they redid him at a level. That is what we call tier one compensation even though he's a tier one player. Yeah so it was like it was Averaged fourteen four. That's right in between what one number two would do when they did in minnesota. I know they did reveal but a twenty million the twenty million dollar wide receiver. We haven't seen the bang bang for so his first year in buffalo was your age twenty seven year. So that's the deal. I mean julio's coming in. That's why i'm just getting to the compensation. So would they give a one The one jefferson a one and a five right. Yeah so it was a one a one. Plus and then That's why the conversation was more for stefan digs than what you get for. Julio julio's thirty two years old to findings coming over at age twenty seven five years difference five. Here's a prime five years difference. He was in the sending player. Like that's the thing. He was still kind of inching towards his prime and i would say the year in buffalo was bitchy of his career in terms of like putting it all together and i think he proved his value and turns you talk about locker room value. He proved his value because he completely helped and played an instrumental role in josh allen. Becoming the player that he became so it was a one a five and six last year's draft and a fourth year and then a four in the next draft so yeah it was considerably more. But that's why again. I think people this three things right. It's the it's the age it's the contract and it's the position so maybe the position might be a strike against you. But he had eight in the contract. You know working in his favor big time. And that's why that's why he's the different compensation for these players. Yeah i mean it is. It's crazy to think about nothing. The next receiver. Who was do a payday. Think davante adams is do a paid it and it'll be interesting to see how the packers handled at on. The i mean while dealing with the aaron rodgers deal you know and so i mean there's so many different things in play when it comes to wide receiver stuff but the davante adams. An roger situation is one to monitor because if they cave in and pay aaron rodgers what. We assume that he wants to deal to be sweden. What does that now mean for. Devante adams because they also went out and paid aaron jones when no one of us thought there was joan. So is one of those things you talked about emotions and those things. It'd be interesting to see how this plays on the locker room. Let's have some fun. I thought we bring in nabil here in In go through and try and find the number one pass catching duo in each division. So we're gonna do this. We're going to go. We'll start like in the afc east We'll go All four teams in that division nabil is going to give us their top duo could be receiver. Receiver could be receiver tight and could be tight end tight end and then buck you and i will kind of put our heads together and see who we think. Is the number one. Pass kitchen doing division. Are you ready to bill yom ready. All right let's go. Well let's start let's go. Afc east what you got. So what the bills step on digs cole. Beasley with the dolphins will fuller end jalen waddell and you could also look at devante parker. So that combination with the patriots nikial hairy and jakobi meyers. he'll harian nelson agholor with the jets. Corey davis and denzel. Mims i think with the first of all the patriots. I think i would throw those tight ends in there with jonnu smith and hunter henry. I think i'll probably you. I would rather have john with tight. Ends john boehner. Yeah i think that would be my. I think that would be my duo of for them. But what when you look at the rest of that division galley man almost believe that you have to go digs in beasley ryan like busy. Som austin is slot in digs unguardable. In their offense. I mean devante. Parking willful willfuller. His favorability seki dissect is a weapon for them. That's tough one. But i i to me. I just think you have a pure number one. Insta fund digs. So it's kind of like stefan digs plus you know whatever else you want to throw out there. I think i would take if you gave me the choice. I gotta go play a game. That's the group i would want. Yeah i'm with you dig digs in beasley all right. Let's go let's go. Afc north here nabil so with the afc north. We have marquees brown and sammy. Watkins for the ravens. We have jamal chase and tyler. Boyd oregon. Jomar chase tee higgins for the bengals for the browns. We have jarvis landry odell beckham junior and then for the steelers. We have juju smith. Schuster chase claypool. I would i would say tight end wise for the ravens. I definitely put andrew's in there As one of their guys. So that's probably you're probably looking at andrews marquees brown you know markey's brown hasn't given them what they want yet. But i would say that's probably the top duo shod. Bateman is gonna make a push this year's rookie for them But i still think. I would probably go with that combination for the best for the ravens. If you told me though buck i know. I'd be intrigued by pittsburgh because i love claypool teamed up with juju. I like that combo. I know the browns have the history with those guys. You're going to go with those guys. That's a chalky brooks pick. I'm go daddy. I'm gonna go since i'm gonna give me t higgins jomar. Let's roll. What about what. The boy. Tyler boyd legit. But i'm just telling you for the future. Those are the two dudes that that get me. Diaby really worried about defending would be those dudes. I understand it. But i'm looking around. I i can't go. I can't go with you see. There's something that i think. He averaged eight yards catch. I mean it's hard for me to say he's quarterback couldn't throw at ten yards. How you gonna average more than eight break tacklers. Something like he gave more than eight years of cats. The ob j. thing is definitely brand name. Oj's coming off an injury. Jarvis landry. I mean i would lean towards it. I do feel. He can had more yards and touchdowns by the way last year. Then tyler boyd as a rookie. I'm ta truck. You were hitting on t. higgins. Oh i was a. Ta fans draft using my. Okay with yagan's Come join me come on come with the bengals. Come join me so so like so disrespectful to oj land. Here's a question right now. Just simply been. I know not not in the past but right now who is more talented tamar chaser odell beckham. I mean mcgaugh coming off a knee injury. I mean had the balki me. I've seen the last time. I saw the last time i saw. Jim are check out the wait for him to land after his wife. I mean the talented guys feel haunt. Here i mean. I am him in wrote down on my paper. Lovie j. land you there but yeah i mean i don't know maybe the bengals i mean going to be able to throw which quarterback as you begin man. This isn't a quarterback discussions a duo discussion. You gave juju and all that okay. I'm i'm giving you the final. The final call make the call which duo in this go baker. Mayfield throwing the oj and landry diego. I'd say they knew chocolates fine. Let's go to the next one we got here. let's go. Afc south jersey. So all right with the afc south. We have brandin cooks and ran. Okafor the texans for the colts. We have t. y. Hilton michael pittman junior for the jaguars we have. Dj levesque. Chanel junior for the titans. We have julio jones in. Aj brand book. I mean you might wanna try and argue for your free. Jags here by this of this is this is like ocho. Cinco getting knocked out in impact on you got an a- now this is this is julio jones and aj brown. All day. i'm looking at. I'm serving the division. Man is huge disparity between their past sketches in the rest of the division. And i liked with indianapolis can do offensively. But i don't know if you're scared by their playmakers on the outside. I think. I think julio in aj brown so they need campbell then he peers campbell the kinda be what. They were hoping he was going to be good thing is. They're so good front. And they have the deepest made the collection of running backs. That you'll find marlon mack. Jonathan taylor nyheim hines conference a line. They can run it so it may not be as essential for them to have a dominant guy but is a huge difference between julio jones. Ag brown interested before we move onto the afc west. My only comment on that knocked down of chad johnson. was it. It was a a receiver getting knocked down and it reminded me of another receiver because it reminded me of teo teo reach down in a sock and pulled out that sharpie reach down in his socks and pulled out his fist. That thing was i nothing. So telegraph pulled out the sharp on. Why i think the big thing in. Here's the one. I would never get into ring. Hey moselle forget in there. I want your nor the octagon but to me. I was like a rookie mistake. He's trying to get off the ropes and he doesn't know how to get outta there and he's like hey man you can't get out of the campus but he he publicly i'll i'll say this on a tangent that fight thing that the like logan paul may whether like i didn't i didn't watch it becoming a highlight but but if logging palmy twenty million dollars offer that in may wear the makes a hundred million my i see why mayweather didn't try and put down because you don't want to kill the cash right holy only thing. We need to find something like so so so real quick for move on so did floyd is not even go at him. I mean he didn't throw any punches he just kind of was just taking it. He will pop them a little bit in canada. Do like he. It was like you. Boxing with trae when he was little low is light. Yeah he could always get off when he wanted to get off. But i think the money was in not putting them down but making it appear like a very competitive much like he did with kana. Mcgirt a man. Let's take staying in deep water. Let people get excited. Because they tune in. But i'll say like people tune in the give them a show the he ended up knocking out mcgregor though right that's because greatly got tired. It just like a just like a mayfield. It mcgregor goes into the fourth and fifth round like he gas is out. So that's that's all he did he let him you let him sweet himself out. He got tired and then he played with. It's not good for. It's not good for connor. If other dude from youtube can go the distance and you could good luck good. Look which again defies logic like. There's no way that i was going at this youtube dude. Come come on get the years. Come on all right. We got the pace here. Afc west go ahead and where we got what they see. West we have courtland sutton. And noah fant for the broncos Corden son in jerry. Jeudy with the chiefs. Tyreek hill and travis. Kelsey with the raiders. Henry ruggs and darren waller with the chargers keenan allen and mike williams while cohen charged games. I love keenan. I love mike. That's good combination. But i don't see how you go anywhere but the chiefs on this one. We can make this one pretty quick here bucket. Oh no. I think. This is terry killing travis. Kelsey i mean those. Those guys are. I would say for the raiders on third down renfro in is tough tough combination and deal with on third down. But yeah that's that's the chiefs we can. We can move on from that one. Let's go the nfc east here nabil. Yeah we'll start with the cowboys. We have a mari cooper and ceedee lamb with the giants. We have kenny. Golladay and evan ingram or kenny golladay cadavers. Tony and with the eagles we have demont smith and jalen rager he could get Yeah devante smith gutter the with the washington football team we have curtis samuel and terry maclaurin. I kind of like curtis samuel terry mclaren. But i i just to me i. I'm i'm such a cd. Lamb guy in amari cooper even though little inconsistent for the money that he makes i still think i probably i will go with the cowboys on will go there because amari cooper i mean. We talk about inconsistencies. But then you look at the end of the year. The numbers are always. Come the there when he is quarterback Ceedee lamb is fantastic aspects. Will make a major jump. I'll go to cowboys. I do like maclaurin in san mateo. Ryan fitzpatrick is going to be some boomer bus. If i was a fantasy football fan i would play those guys be. Some big. sunday's big. Sundays is going to be some turnovers. But you don't get credit for those turnovers only Would take those guys could call. Nfc north with the nfc north. We start with the bears. We have allen. Robinson and anthony miller or l. robinson in marquees goodwin. We have with the lions you can look at bouchard berryman and amman saint Saint brian we're good x and hodgkinson And with the packers. You have davante adams in robert tagnon with the vikings you have justin jefferson at the i'm going. I'm going to go with the vikings just with the combination of those two dudes. I mean devante. Adams is the best of all of all those. But i think the duo i would go minnesota. Yeah feeling jefferson. They put a lot of pressure on you on the outside because you have to crafty route runners. That can get it done. But i'll say this. You gotta dismissed detroit. T jackson was a pro bowl player last year. I love tj. I'd probably a little bit appropriate. Probably a little too high of a great doesn't have night even in even as much as eleven teams into the game being like. Whoa we're going to deal with this no not at all. Nfc south with the nfc south. We start with Calvin ridley and kyle pits for the falcons for the panthers. We have robby anderson and you can look at dj more. And with the saints. We have michael thomas and You drink hogs kamara if you want to go on past. Just put any running backs in there. We can't we can't make that. We can't make that move check. Wants in it this camp right. I mean yeah. I don i mean this is mike evans. Godwin all day long. I mean and you've got you also have antonio brown is a little bonus piece in there and you've got tight ends coming out the woodwork. I love i love. I love pits and i love combination that. You're going to have their when when you see pits working in the middle of feel book. And you get the light the match ups that you want with him With linebackers and safeties. And then calvin ridley's is it good route runner as we have a great young combination but tampa semester super bowl champs and And i like their group the best. How about you ten. Th terrorist group is the one. I think that is the main deal that he has. I mean they have gone they they can do it all big body fast big-time playmakers. That can get it done like this the way that you supposed to do it. I think i'm don't think we got one more left here. Nfc west the nfc west. We're going to start with the cardinals. We have aged green. Deandre hopkins with the rams cooper kupp in robert woods with the niners. Brennan i you can deebo samuel and with the seahawks. Tk madcap and tyler lockett. Kiddle kendall might have a question about that one bill on the african my my throat kittle in there. I look seattle man. That's pretty good book. that's tough. One there with with with metcalfe and Unlock it. But i guess if we we don't we can't give kittle the bonus points as a blocker because technically we're just talking about the receiving part of it Ma'am i love. I love him so much. And i love the combination. If it's a trio if it was a trio might go san francisco but if we're limited to do oh i think i'll stick with seattle. Yet is is good too though. Ramps is a good combo to could come. I think the difference in why you go in mccaffrey unlocked. I think the big play ability. Yeah i think that's the one thing that separates him meckiff and lock it. They put up is weird because that offense fluctuated. They started out like a house on fire. And then they come to peter down the stretch but they are very very talented collection. Play because i will go to seattle seahawks. That's that's probably a safe bet. Okay let's put you on the spot here we've kinda gone division by division if you could only pick one and i'm not saying i won't even say this is the best one but like let's just say for your money that you get a you gotta watch this duo all year long of the guys that we've kind of put out there. Is there one that jumps out to you. Eat sale sign up for this one. A duo that i'm thinking when jump out. Let's go back like dj. Like honestly i would say watch out is. I don't know if there's been enough attention. Paid to the team that we talked about at the beginning the patriots with the time that combination is really a scary combination. I'm not calling them like what they had previously with the late aaron hernandez but that is a dynamic duo. When you have jonnu smith and hunter henry guys that could run rouse and they can do seems and they can do a bunch of different things obviously depends on the trigger man but potentially they could be a problem because john smith can spread out a no hunter. Henry is a terrific playmaker. They can do a bunch of different things they're problematic. I think i would keep an eye on. Because i think the pace is going to be a lot better than people. Give them credit for. I i like that. I would say the one that i'm looking forward to watching the most and again this one. We didn't even say it's not the best in the division. We touched on it. Though i it would be atlanta. I think calvin ridley it's going to be kind of outside the shadow of julio jones people going to really recognize how talented this kid is and then all i don't know about you on social media all i hear is you guys stopped talking about cow. Bits no rookie. Tight ends over thousand yards. They don't like. I don't know there's different man. I'm excited to see how they use him would have been a little more space if they had. Julio out there as well no hulio but to me how they use ridley's a pure number one and then having a mismatch player in cal- puts even though he's a rookie. I'm gonna be curious to watch the atlanta falcons. Yeah now because i think the big thing with Campus so much hype preceding his arrival. How close guinea come to to meeting some of those expectations because we talk about him being a unicorn and the different things that he can do is different in ricky's progress at a different rate past catches on the perimeter. And i will be curious to see how. Arthur smith tim and he's able to make him get enough touches to balance out the in the passing game away from calvin ridley. Because it's going to be really important. I mean if it's up to me. I break the huddle every single. Snap with hearst in pits in the game i break the huddle and twelve now if you wanna just lineup pits and play him as the x display as decks on the roster. Forget tight end just playing a receiver. If you want. Yeah camera seaver. Let him be a plate. make i mean he can do. I think going all the way back love to see them. Do what. I call a twenty two personnel to two backs. Two tight ends one wide receiver. Calvin ridley and cow is do that. George kittle stuff. Because if they do that. That's winnings the problem. Because how do you match up within. Do you put your success in to deal with that. And then he goes out and takes your lamb on the deep water or a lot of play bass and they run the football. It mentioned because he is a very unique flavor. No doubt aren't why got out of here. We gotta run. This has been a fun fun. Episode starts with bucky laughing at the beginning of the show and we finished up. third overall. goeman Them to bill for putting this whole thing together Put them to work today. Get after it but Appreciate his work as always. And thank you guys for hanging with us. We'll catch you next time right here on. Move the sticks.

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Over/Under Rookie Class 2021

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Over/Under Rookie Class 2021

"Around with the nfl podcast tweets too much about gold. Welcome to another edition of the around. The nfl podcast. My name is dan harris. They come to you or may virtual room berchtold room filled with some heroes smart chesler drag rosenthal and sitting in on the show. Today he is the star of the claim instant hit micro. Sag money on money matt money smith as doing well. Greg grega scrunched face. When i when i read the script tweets too much about golf and i feel like i'm responsible for the content which is putting in front of me. I didn't quite get it because you know none of us. None of us tweet about golf. Where too smart for that now. Maybe that's the irony packed inside the what is way. What was that little. Dig their greg. You're too smart to tweet about golf yay bar. It's a boring spectator sport and tweeting about. It would be even more boring. I think we all share that. I thought maybe it was a common tree and our colleague. Adam rank who tweets a lot about golf these days or at least his instagram is is. There's a lot of golf and is a golfer used to be an avid golfer. would politely disagree with gregg. I do find it to be an exciting spectator sport But i know i'm in. I'm in the gross minority i. It's it's popular. I used to play worked at multiple golf courses as a child And i love to play and nothing like Hitting play nine holes after you finish your shift but it's tough. It's tough to watch like you bring that up a lot. You'd have to make choices like you're allowed to beg on golf because when you were fourteen. Your caddy one. So you use that. A lot of i played on stopped. Twenty one or so but yeah at a certain point you gotta decide. What were your jobs bragging said you said jobs. So what were the different jobs at the golf course you had well you you have to run the front desk know when people come in and then you have to wash bags you know when people return with the bags you have to return the golf carts One kid wants drove a golf cart into the pool their Y'all how you got fired for that. If it's raining you have to sit at the bottom of the hill and drive guys up the hill because they don't wanna walk in the rain up the hill. I mean girls club. Right and greg so you you retired essentially at twenty one. Did you matured out of the sport. I mean people spend their lives trying to move to new york at if you're living in new york and you wanna play golf. It's gotta be like a huge priority in your light. You gotta love it so much that it just. It just knocked it out of me now your children. Are you really going to seven hours. It's a tough. That's a tough one. That's a tough one with gov dads do but just they do many and it's not even seven it's ten gotta get up early. I gotta stretch gotta play holes and then afterwards. We're playing some cards. Were playing dice or whatever so. I'll see you at about nine pm. And i'll be lit to the nines. By the time. I get twenty one so you must be with your children. Twenty four seven every single day of the year guy barks good food. We know up doing morning today. Mark again. I i wake up this morning. I woke up pretty early. It's like oh man early start today. Six thirty. I can't go back to jump on twitter. See what's going on. And i see you. Sending positive nate thais tweets at five. Am and then. I text that to the group and say while five seven. Am mark sentas and mark your speir replied that you've been up since two. This is not good my friend. And we love you very much and this is almost. We're getting to a point where we need to have some type of intervention to get you on a sleep cycle that carries you into your old age. That's what we know about intervention suggests. That i'm like doing it on purpose but it's but you know in matt money. Smith was nice enough to send some suggestions along which following up on. But i've been dealing with this for like fifteen years so it is what it is. This is the tough love this is. This is coming at you on a broadcast and saying you must clean this up because we're worried that it's going to come back and haunt you and the biggest of all spots. That's all i'm certain. Certainly will but i believe this is the circadian rhythm podcast of record right all right so today's show. I hope everybody had a nice mother's day weekend. I hope everybody took care of their mom And the wives because some people say well my wife. She's not my mother. So i don't really have the plug in on the wife. Just the mother then you got both good luck with that method. Yeah you try to go one or the other that that logic is not going to carry over so i think i hope everyone. That's listening to the show. Made the right decisions this weekend. Coming up on today's show with the draft now a little bit in the rear view mirror. It's time to try to enter reality. Into the conversation of all these rookies because if you listen to the football guy date you know how i feel about that ban. You know how they will tell you. They feel about is silent in town. Know how i feel about it. Just let me here. Let me hear it money. It's conyers santee. The gs silent dull by pronouncing it correctly. Would ruin the bit though. That's that the whole thing is that dan's bit is it like is there. Is there an over under. Is there like an around the nfl. Read it that sets the over under on how many mispronunciations dan have in a given pod and then they all bet and then at the end of it they settle up. Because that's what i try to figure out. I'm like i know he's intentionally mispronouncing some of these things. These know how many everything i'm saying is correct first of all including bagnis anti okay. So it's your opinion doesn't mean it's the correct one money. That's all okay. I guess that's one way to put it. I don't really really ever believe. It's the proper italian pronunciation but hey it's alright proper italian pronunciation. What is your italian heritage. Adding your son stood out though in fit and superior do admit in the canton today. Hello the dropped. Was i stand down back. I'll never be invited back again. Final anyway over unders for rookies. Because as i said anti they say that everyone had a perfect draft. Except for the raiders. Okay but the reality is all these big time rookies. that came to league summer. Going to have a big impact in year one. Some are going to disappoint and so throw out. Some names notable names and cana- trying to figure out where they might come in in their first season of pro ball before we do that though. Let us hit the news. You're going to hire my friends. No that was not delta burke from designing women that was peyton manning imploring a team to rattle gates delta burke. I found her very annoying. Even as a child. I could tell that she was not my cup of tea. Yeah well wherever you are delta. Hope everything's going well all right. Let's get into it delta playing this game on we'll total respect to her. I just found it to be a little bit a little bit too much still with us. Sixty four years old. Jari delta didn't and married to major pain was at the name of the sitcom major dad. Mccranie all right. Let's get to. Its focus up here. Horton eric fisher. Warmer chiefs. tackle former number one overall pick. He's got a new team. It's the colts who sign fisher to a one year. Nine point four million dollar contract. He started one hundred and thirteen of one hundred seventeen games with kansas city after coming into the league number one overall Maybe money is not lived up to the standing of where his draft status was but he became a solid starter for the chiefs of last year. Injuries played a major factor. And now the colts get a much needed option. They're on their line in front of carson once. Yeah you know. We saw him twice a year. We the chargers som- twice a year at the games that i called And i always just thought that he was pretty average. But i think it just goes to show you that average can go a long way in the nfl. You know now. My understanding is he's probably not going to be ready to tober so the colts will probably need some sort of answer between now and then Or i should say from the start of the season until then but look if you have a cap space in. You're willing to spend the money. I think you're gonna see you know a deal. Probably charles lentils gonna deal like that. I mean these are. These are good left. Tackle s- right you know. It's that is hard to find. Don't don't the chargers know it. What i've been looking at it left tackle for four years so if you can get carson wentz a league average or close to a league average left tackle and it's only going to cost you a one year deal. I would say huge. Win for chris ballard in the colts right and he. He's been better than league average for much of his career including recent he seemed to get better. But it's coming off a torn. Achilles might not be ready 'till over and it's eric fisher coming off a torn achilles. It's it's my number one concern with this colts team in with carson wentz in general is he just holds. The ball forever doesn't make a decision. That's why frank breaks you know there to to get him making faster decisions but for the first month or two. It's a we've talked about how. That's a bad looking division in eric fisher in theory helps you for the playoffs. But they might be struggling for a while. I mean if you look at teams. That didn't do what you thought they would do. In the draft like the colts not targeting. A young tackle was one of the kind of burning voids still sitting out there. But i do find it. Funny that we're also the off season goes through these waves. Were now in a wave where we're not allowed to critique carson wentz. I find that. I seems after last year. It's like you know what actually carson wentz is are. We are we kind of being a little too tough on him like beijing. Who said that other than dan. Dan's the oldest. Maybe it maybe it is just come up on our show where i feel like it's not really i'm not really pointing the finger at one person. It's more dislike the off. Does this all the time where it's like we're not excited about the carson wentz signing now it's like i don't know he was really good in two thousand and seventeen. I was good in two thousand seventeen. So i you know a lot has changed so we'll see carson wentz by the way it was good in two thousand and nineteen mark saying that he was all right left and i think it's i think i think a group think is a very dangerous thing especially What we do for a living everyone just says oh carson wentz things now. I believe it's important to lease. Leave the option. Open this fresh start with a coach. That knows how to get the most out of them for a twenty eight year old quarterback. It could actually go well. I don't think that's absurd to say that there are multiple ways this wentz I just think the group think is now going to go in that direction. That's what i'm saying. It's not like we'll see we'll see most of these things get on my radar because it happens. Every people don't like person when july. I feel like i feel like the football world does not wentz fans and you hear a lot of things about maybe. He's not the best guy in the locker room. There is plenty of reason for suspicion that this isn't gonna work out. I certainly grant you their. I'm with you. And there's there's a decent chance by the way like eric fisher is much better than half of these rookie tackles that people signed are all excited but like the bears are putting tabin jenkins into their left tackle spot and everyone's like all right that's solved and we cut charles leno chances. He's better than charles leno this year. It's fifty fifty. Like maybe i was. Maybe like sixty forty seventy thirty. That he's not. I thought it was a pretty good tackle easing widened today. Visiting yeah i think in obviously look. It's all relative right. I mean. I spent the last year watching the worst offensive line in the league. And it all comes back to the quarterback right justin herber threw for forty three hundred yards and thirty one touchdowns behind the worst offensive line in the league. He was the most pressure quarterback in the league yet. He was able to put up better numbers than most quarterback. So i mean was that tampa offensive line that good like exceptional before. Tom brady showed up. I you know what i mean. It's so much of. It is dependent upon the quarterback. So i think for everybody that san all once you fix the offensive line. You're hey struggles are over dude. No that's not the case. You gotta have a quarterback they can pull that trigger and run that offense and that's going to go a long way in determining whether or not you're a line is good or not speaking of qb drama. The vikings we know they took kellen monde Texas am quarterback with sixty six overall. Pick you know you take amid round quarterback it doesn't scream. Qb controversy on the way with kirk cousins entrenched there. However espn's courtney cronin reported that. The vikings were ready to pull the trigger on justin fields. Had he fallen to the fourteenth pick in the twenty twenty one draft. He did not fall because we know the bears up three picks ahead of them To take fields. And then the vikings pivoted traded at a fourteen with the jets to collects amid round picks themselves So if this reporting is accurate greg. This is spacey because now it's it's becoming clear now that the vikings have won i on twenty twenty with kirk cousins and very clearly now an eye on on the future with the quarter acquisition. That might not include cousins at all. Yeah and yet. They guaranteed the money next year. Which makes a comic. I love stuff like this. Just the doors not taken. They always bring up the saints. How they were gonna take patrick. Mahomes if the chiefs didn't trade up in front of them that that's been pretty confirmed and then in this draft in the nfc alone. The lions passed on fields. Vikings were set to take fields but they weren't going to trade up from the bears or the one that gets it so like how does that change us division that that it's been reported. It's hard to confirm these things that the jets traded up in front of patriots the patriots because they were pretty confident. The patriots were gonna take elijah vera. Tucker which is just. It's just crazy to think that the patriots quarterback of the future would not been there because they preferred to take guard. Possible tackle and vera tucker and those are division rival so like. How does the mac jones jets patriots thing workout. And how does this justin fields thing. Workout doors man. Yeah love in. Where we're aaron rodgers quickly shifts into drama magnet mode. You don't hear a word from kirk cousins because he'll happily be a good little boy through next season do whatever they ask can make a huge amount of guaranteed money. Not just this year. But next year i mean i think in terms of and whether or not. He's a viable replacement for the future. Who knows. i mean there's not a lot of third round starters in the league right. We kind of know because their tails are sung so often when it does happen. So we know you know the the rarity of which that to be the case. But i also know you know like getting a getting a backup quarterback viable backup quarterback and one of the middle or tort should say one of the middle rounds. You almost never get him. The late rounds. That's important for teens. The last thing they want to do is sacrifice cash or or salary cap capital on a backup better in. If they don't have to. You know. Like i know again i i keep doing it but i just get to see it so much but like in the case of east and stick. I think they would have been fine. Had chase daniel not just been so affordable there are like this a good day for the room and but we feel east and stick and can come in and win a half or maybe win a game and a half and at three hundred and sixty grand instead of seven million bucks. That's a big win for a lot of franchises. So i wouldn't be surprised if that's kind of more thinking of the vikings as opposed to we need to bring someone to replace you know kirk cousins. Important organization is your quarterback and the and the second most important person in your organization. Is your backup quarterback. The cowboy seasons went total. Martin you lent version casserly bit. We all enjoy it all right. Here's what you gotta do hit all right now Greg doing his impression on me. Okay so when. That happens. When i need you to do now you be quiet okay. That's festival and then after that. What you're gonna do is gonna do is impression and dan is gonna come in. And he's going to say. Hey greg is doing an impression on me and then when he's out then you can go. I'll be back in about eleven minutes. Sorry mark you. What were you saying there. But no i just i mean i remember west and i like joining the hit joined at the hip killing the cowboys for never having a backup in place. That really could win games behind tony romo and they were good teams. That went totally south. So you know it's it can't be just about the low amount of earnings that they're making and you have the way they don't have the right now. They're the cowboys having right now after what they went through. They have jeff driscoll visiting on monday and he would be easily their best Backup terrible in other news. The broncos they are obviously in the news right now connected to aaron rodgers with all the rogers drama james palmer. Nfl network zone reported today. The broncos have had plenty of internal discussions about the possibility of making that happen but for net for the here. And now it's drew lock and greg's boy teddy bridgewater and they need an offensive line in front of whoever. The quarterback is they won't have john james it looks like who's star cross career. Took another bad turn. Last tuesday team sources confirmed that jane suffered a torn achilles tendon in a workout away from the broncos facility It's there's some talk weather season ending or not. We're not clear but either way it's a very serious injury. He opted out. A last season was injured before that since signing a four year. Fifty one million dollar deal in march of twenty nineteen. He's played sixty three snaps. Start it's it's probably the worst free agent contract we've seen in years right. I mean sixty three snaps. Fifty million twentysomethings guaranteed. It'll be interesting. How the broncos off the play. This and i and i think so much of this. You know we as i think. Fans tend to focus on the player in or they'll focus on the team and rarely do they focus on the agent and and to me. This is a great disservice. Done to the player by the player's agent. And i don't i'm not privy to those conversations But i do think in the case of some of these players guys opted out You know maybe in some cases for health concerns but i think in other cases for registering a year on that deal in which they were going to be four games played or six games played and that could be someone. That is dissuaded. Hey look we feel like you're gonna get the whole season in two thousand twenty that's gonna roll over so let's sit this one out and then next year you can make twelve bucks because we're probably gonna get all seven sixteen now seventeen in that case my goodness you know what a mad situation john james has been put into and i guess my understanding is he was working out at the facility. That's why i think it's so interesting. With how the broncos are going to treat this right you know. It's one thing if he's like. Oh no i'm one of these veterans. I'm going to heed the call of tom brady and stay away and stand united Not come in at all. Then you get hurt. I wouldn't be surprised if the broncos go were done. You're not getting a we don't know any of that. Money were heard off premises or because he has been coming in occasionally if they will honor that contract. It's gonna it's going to be spicy. The face like legal battle it. There's a lot of talk. The broncos may not give him his money we'll see i sorta don't wanna like kill him before they go ahead and do that. I wouldn't be surprised if they just do. Give it to him in this. Tom brady like everyone. Out of the offseason workouts. We'll see how that works like. It didn't work at all for the first three rookie minicamps. None of them. Listen all the code up for the first three or four teams so at least the rookies are not listening to this. Veteran idea did not show up at the facility right or players that need to impress a coaching staff versus sight unseen sitting home or operating elsewhere. I mean one. Little note aaron rodgers. I mean this was pm fs twenty fifth ranked offensive line a year ago. And you know john. James wasn't there but that they don't project to look a whole lot better. This season They're talking to dennis. Kelly apparently to maybe come in and fill help out at tackle. And what if. I took the john. James approach to this podcast opted out of an entire season last year. Leaving you guys to do all the work and then you know got sort of a maybe a cough or cold and said i'm not coming back this year and then everyone will. Nfl dot com pay mark his meagre salary or not high-drama not get the nfl. The do i think that would make football morning in america speaking of And actually know. What can i can. I jump back into that real. Something greg said. I think is important In look we all were all subjected to hero worship at times and we have to abide by because of what these players mean to the league. But you know. I just to me. It's so irresponsible at tom brady. I'd like to run that call and to be that emphatic. About how you. I don't think people know kind of how how much these guys make. You know what i mean like that. You're talking about players. You know fifty four through that if they show up at these voluntary workouts. Everything's taken care of all of their meals. All of their training. They get a per diem. People realize they get paid per day that they show up so we did. They're working on their own. Because like greg said they're trying to make the team they're on that you know they may or may not make the team will if you do it the possibility they're making like three hundred bucks a day so if you're someone that's a fringe potential nfl player or practice squad player. And you're trying to make that practice squad If you don't go in you're losing about a grand a week to fifteen hundred bucks a week that you're putting in your pocket for just showing up at the facility and that's not to mention everything's paid for when you go. Yeah and that's just the financial side these guys. They're chasing the dream you know. They have an opportunity to be this building of this professional team. turn some heads make relationships. I'm totally with you. Brady exists in a halt. He's a he's a two percent or within this nfl world and he can't speak for everyone but is there a point from another angle on that. I totally agree with you with that. If are if they're going to stage it. Those marginal players need to be everything that you mentioned but wasn't brady's point a little bit that he's sort of saying you don't have baseball players. Throwing ninety mile an hour fastballs like in the middle of winter when the baseball not happening that. Maybe it's a tone down to some degree of the structure of the offseason has done that. They're not doing that. You come before the like. Why are we right. You're right mark. I mean but you know again they show up. They watch film. They work out. They do breakout meetings. They go on the field in shorts. They're almost never even in shells in these and they're doing walk throughs and then maybe they're doing a little bit of of work but like the idea that brady would drop that nugget to the public that these guys are doing. What's the equivalent of pitcher throwing a ninety five mile. an hour fastball. For seventy pitches on a day in january. That's just you're responsible that's their. That's not what that's not what they're doing in these you know. Ota's in these rookie camps such as not. What's happening john as looking at this and like we don't have to pay some of the money. I like burnt trying to fix this offensive line for six years great. No one's like no one's paying attention to that anymore. Like was the biggest single in the nfl. Their ovens offensively. The speaking of football morning in america brandon bean. The the bills general manager spoke with peter king and There is a report that the league is prime to set a threshold. Eighty five percent vaccination rate amongst players for teams to conduct traditional meetings and practices in two thousand twenty one which is obviously an advantage to be able to prepare for new season at that level and being told king that it would be an advantage To hold those meetings and have those practices and it might make a roster decision easier for him based on who is vaccinated and who is not vaccinated and mark. This opens up a whole can of worms obviously a national discourse about vaccinations and Who has to get one who must get one. Who gets the choice all that that is going to connect to the nfl. I think in a big way this. Yeah i mean. I don't have a huge take on this. I think from one angle is talking about like any general manager or executive inside the building on the football side of operations competitive advantage. You don't want to lose the chance to gather if you can but you know. This is a personal choice. Eighty five percent is even sticks out as an interesting number. Because what are the other fifteen percent doing on that front again. I don't have a hot take on it. I'm getting vaccinated. And i'm not telling anyone else to do anything. But the other fifteen percents seemed to be a talking point inside a locker room to begin with right. I mean brandon was was kind of asked about this followed up from peter king because he already said like i'd cut a guy. He said the quiet part he said like of course they would cut guy if like things are close between two guys towards the end of the roster. And you're trying to keep everyone safe that's gonna be a factor most other gm's probably would just quietly do it and it's only gonna be for guys who are marginal. Anyways stars aren't going to be based on their medical preferences with the vaccine. They're they're not cutting. Tom brady about this and he said the quiet part out loud. But it's like. I don't know like it's just like last offseason where we said the world is coming to the nfl that like everything that word struggling with in our work lives and everything is going to affect the nfl too and this is this is a good example of that like our country is going to have so many people that don't want the vaccine the rest of the world's kind of looking like what the hell's wrong with you guys are smart enough to have all the vaccines like why. Why aren't you taking them. And there's gonna be there's gonna end up being repercussions whether they say it out loud or not yet to me I'm with you greg. it's a non story. I think it's obvious. And you know you. The the anti vaccine can can have their way with you. Know however you want but whatever. It's a business you know if if you feel like this is the best way to operate your business because you wanna have eighty five or one hundred percent vaccine facility do it. You don't like it. Don't work for them. You know go go work for someone else. Go work for the eagles. Go work for the ravens or whomever else will bring you in. If the bills aren't willing to employ when if none of them are whatever. Go work somewhere else you know. If people people mistake rights for privilege you know be. These are independent privately owned businesses and then. That's that's the reality to me. I know it's not popular. I get it. i don't get. I'm with you i. I don't wanna put words in your mouth and try to put you on the anti antibac- cer- position i'm not trying to take some sort of political stance but to me. I think it's just a guy. I'm fine that is stands. Yes the hydrogen and there's also there's different forms of privilege like lebron according to the shooter in some german interview like him and lebron were the only two guys that haven't been back ended on the lakers intruders out now after You get into diseases like that's the privilege of being lebron like if you're if you're a starter making a ton of my privilege the habit vision but if you're it's kind of like like Guys who get arrested and stuff like you don't have the like those guys ended up losing their jobs if you run afoul of the law and this is this a similar. Do we know if tom brady accepted the vaccine because he'd seemed to shoo the concept of wearing a mask the entire season. He's out there whipping the ball around in a park. You know whenever everyone else you got to bring up old s markelle. Glenn plenty of dots. That can act on tom. Brady if you care to in those realms all right in other news mark. Who is tim tebow well. He's many people. He affected our lives when he did. The football version of tim tebow with multitude of teams about ten years ago and dan and i were charged with. I am not exaggerating on. There was a stretch of time. We're dan and i were literally charged with writing ten plus tim tebow articles a week. It mine Involved him dating or wanting to be dated by kardashian various kardashian sisters there was a katy perry spread in there. Something to do with someone else. In and i would tally how many articles we did each week and whoever wrote more would get the first round of beers for free at the. Wow the old tavern up the breaking the breaking point for me was while the breaking point was the ended up on my game and it was a horrible situation So that was bad but the breaking point for me as a professional. Nfl media was having to work one easter morning and in the newsroom. And i'm you know got my out what's going on the league. It's quite dates. easter sunday. And then a furious shadowy league vigor calls a ready to fire my ass because i had yet to write a post about tim. Tebow speaking at some christian gathering in front of fifty thousand people or something. I think daniel jeremiah's dad was involved. He was hitting. And there was a fury that i had yet to write a story about this church event Which i guess i was like. Oh i guess. I blew that one And it was like this is horrible. And i don't want this to happen anymore. I think ten tibo landing spots was the first article i ever wrote it at. Nfl dot com. Greg on an air getting replaced by was to get in replayed manage. Should remember this peyton manning of course right after free agency. It was like the reaction to peyton manning signing there. Yeah i give. I give john elway credit for this and everybody listens to show knows i could be critical towards john in his handling of the broncos especially in the last five years or so but at the height of t. bo mania in that two thousand eleven season when everyone was going crazy and he was having those wild finishes to the game. Then of course the playoff win over pittsburgh and all that mania the ninety yard touchdown elway never bought in even in the press conferences. He never gave the people what they wanted which was for him to say he's our future. He's our team. elway always knew. I wonder what happened to that guy i have. I have three nuggets on. T. bo that i'll share one is and i don't know if these are incredible. I think they're in chronological order. I was calling before. I got the chargers guy used to just call. You know game of the week on the radio. So i would be whatever. Nfl town call in a game. I was doing packers. Broncos game and i was on the field at lambeau and washington tiba warm up. And i have never seen in all my years of calling football college or professional such a poor throwing warm like i was in disbelief. How badly he was missing received like it really was. It was like beyond comprehension. That like wait. This is the nfl. And you're watching the receivers just kind of getting all pissy at the running. Their routes That's one too. I called the broncos bears game that kaleb haney started for the bears in which the broncos won in overtime. I had to catch a flight out of denver that night. I think it might have been tvos. I start or it was. It was an early tibo moment. Whatever the case before i called. Nfl games college football games. So i've been in some of these. Massive have called tennessee alabama. I mean i'm talking giant ninety thousand. Sec fans freaking out pouring out of the stadium celebrating in the streets for hours on end that win over. The bears is the closest thing. I have ever experienced in the nfl to a college atmosphere. You've ever been a mile high. You you leave the stadium and if you go up on the hill. It's this strip of bars. You couldn't move a car. I couldn't get to my flight. I had to spend the night in denver. I could not get out. People are just poured into the streets to celebrate this regular season win over. The caleb haney lead bears authored by Tim tebow and then my third nugget is of course. He played second fiddle to me on the successful single season network. Show million dollar mile on. Cbs that not. I forgot about that. Yeah so you won't tight. You guys work together were together. We'd spend eighteen hours a day together on set for about three weeks. Straight could not could not be. I don't know if i've ever met like he's he's nicer person as you've ever been around in your life as could not could not be more happy that i was able to spend those three weeks. A pleasant young man still like text once in a while about various items in. Your phone is in my phone. Yeah i do not text him though you tell him that he had the worst. Pre warm up. You've ever seen out of a corvette what's funny. Believe it or not. I don't know if i said it exactly. But i kind of alluded to it. He's got like this great self deprecating sense of humor. Believe it or not like it was totally. I mentioned i had i think. I think i'd mentioned something to that. I wasn't that abrasive. I just said. Hey called bronco packer game. I was watching your warm up like night. I kind of. I took a circuitous route to get to that point. It was a very gentle point anyway. Like with all that said and You know it's a whole episode just talking to money about his tibo experience but Back in the nfl that this is pretty nuts to me He's thirty three years. Old now He just spent the last four or five years in the nation of the new york. Mets in major league baseball trying to make it as a pro and he acted down in the minors and went through the grind of the minor league season which is not a glamorous on any level this is a millionaire athlete. Didn't work out. And now urban meyer is bringing him to jacksonville jaguars where he's going to get a chance To try out as tight end now mark. The quarterback dream is dead. Can tip devaux make team. Let me tell you their depth jar. Right now at tight. End our boy. Chris manhertz luke ferrel farrell. Tyler davis james o'shaughnessy. Ben ellison all on the depth chart. Ziada i mean he could make it based on the fact. That fire seems to love him. And you know money's point people that noten tibo and away from some of the you know media critique say the same thing and in. This is a young team with not a lot of major veteran leadership. So i mean from that angle. I would say yes kenney still play. Can he play tight end. I mean he is an incredible athlete and he may be. Maybe still has those skills. I mean i'd. I'd want to see him play before i can say yes or no. But from a person angle. I think they're not bringing him in Without a real chance of him being on the roster. I think they're bringing them in like most that at thirty four year old veterans that sign this time of year as a camp body. Maybe a little bit of a favor in this case in his chances of even being ahead of o'shaughnessy for the fourth or fifth tight end spot are slim to none. There's very little reason to think he would be remotely athletic enough to play tight in like bring artem tibo to your organization because just the name alone creates a manner. He's in shape. And it's like what's the eighty sixth roster spot to urban meyer. Sure give them some. Give him some time in in may through august than in the odds you know. The overwhelming odds are then. He's a good by eight years ago. I would've said oh. This is also a needless distraction in that building. But that's a teen mania. Feel like is from another era. I don't i think it's gonna be a story. I think it's going to be a part of this camp of trevor lawrence in the building. But i don't think it's going to take over the team the way maybe would have once upon a time to you know to me. I think there's a couple of things one. I don't i don't know if the jags need publicity in you know in jacksonville you know. I'm not quite sure. I would assume after trevor lawrence. You've got everything you need right Try to stoke the fire and that fan base. They've struggled to sell tickets. Avi helps but more more than most franchises. That's fair. Yeah i mean to me. That's you know. I think it's worth it to me. It's more financial as opposed to football. The one thing. I would say that i didn't add from you. Know my i think i called two or three of his games. But it's like the beatles like at least at that point was it was not that i was alive when the beatles beatlemania was taking over. But you see the film of it. That's sort of looked like when you came out of the tunnel. They had this group. And i had never seen this for any other team before. They had a group of what i would say. It was probably two to three hundred people that would come on the field and sit in this one particular area that were just there for tibo. They were not there to watch the broncos warm up they're not vip. This was a tibo centric group. And i think that's what you invite right. You invite all these people that And again financially. It's great but from a football standpoint when you're warm and you're trying to get ready to play this game that's tough enough as it is and you've got two hundred people standing on the field that a paid for this premier experience with this individual that may or may not have a huge impact on the game. I think that's asking. That's asking a little bit from the rest of your roster right to embrace tibo mania going into a seat because it's going to be there and it's going to be an every spot if you're if you're listening fourth round pick jordan smith you're like please give me a rep against tebow and let me wipe the floor with got this for please. Finally in the news the nfl will release. Its twenty twenty one schedule on wednesday and you can check that out right here on. Nfl network and Or there i should say they are on nfl lower and espn two has it as well contractually obligated to mention that What are you guys if you have the power to pick the Opening game i'll start with you on this one mark. If you have the power to choose. What is the thursday night opener. What's the match. You wanna see all right so looking at all their home and away opponents so you gotta go. The problem is. They're away against the patriots. You're saying they. Tampa bay buccaneers the tampa bay buccaneers. I mean get the game obviously right otherwise but they play in new england so that is tedious because that wipes out what would easily be my number one pick. There's a very clear second for me. Don't give me bucks saints. That first of all that is highly annoying. Give me the end of the bay buccaneers at home against the buffalo bills. Yup i think that's the choice. I agree saints saints. Feels like it's almost as likely. I don't think they wanna they wouldn't do the cowboys or the giants. I don't think if if anything because it's like the kickoff is going to get great ratings anyways. Let's save the cowboys game for another time. The bills the bills are sorta the perfect. The perfect compromise the perfect marriage. They're the best team possible and they're also like you know smaller market. it's a matchup. You wouldn't be used to see and it's beautiful. Yeah i think the. I just wonder if that's too early for that game right. I mean a potential super bowl preview. You would think they'd want that maybe a little bit later. I mean like you said they're gonna get ratings anyway right at the like it feels like it could be saints with jamison everything but that would that. I'm with mark the bills would james. He's like a big national selling point. Not at all say this. And i know they. They like to have obviously in the building of the defending champion. So maybe this site rose it out. But i will throw this one out because i know this is an important facility in our league and i know this is a big market. Would check that box. What if tampa bay went to la to play the rams in the full house at inglewood matthew stafford is first game. I bowl side of the super bowl. They they kind of got robbed of opening that stadium the right way and twenty twenty because of covid. This would be a way to kind of sell the whole experience and what it means. I'll throw a good game and a really writing books totally revolt. What was the year. was it the well. They got the super bowl and they're building. So i know but remember when the ravens had to after they won the superbowl had to open what i think it was against the broncos and i think joe flacco fifty five passes in this game but they'd open on the road if i'm not mistaken because the orioles were like in the same angeles zuri owner of the orioles would not move a game and it stuck it to the ravens at santa like some like guy fighting that we were just too so plus there was like not that it's a reason to do it but no player or team has ever owned another team over. The course of the amount of time brady was in in new england as brady and the patriots did buffalo. Like like statistically no one beat up on one other franchise enough so it'd be a nice little like we can get back at you even at the end. Even brady's last year the bills had a chance to win. End and didn't come up to me. It probably comes down to the cowboys in the bills right. I mean so i feel. It'd be the giants and the bills. I feel like they don't like to use their best things they're cowboys. Yeah cowboys makes a lot of that. If i if. I were a betting man which i am not especially in matters related to pressure football cowboys at bucks that brings the ratings of reaction show by the way. We're doing a wednesday night show. We're changing our schedule this week. We're so big on the schedule. Released the all we love. It will be rolled out vikings saints as an opener following that. Nfc title game. So they don't they don't always save the best matchup right. That's happening in the news. All right so caught up on the news. Now let's get caught up on the. Where are these rookies. These high profile. Rookies how they gonna come out of their rookie seasons. It's kind of silly busy. 'cause you can't really know how these guys are gonna play. Look at look at The quarterback that you just studied a money for an entire season is the voice of the chargers. Nobody thought herbert was going to do what he did. So that's that's part of on fun. Jeremiah rank them below. Ross blacklock texans defensive. Tackle greg greg. Place a hits. You know that is that is a wonderwall bio acis. Every time it's a nugget about blacklock well had them. Nineteen herbert was twenty. You know quarterback can really the thing. Like i like with people because i don't take it seriously but then you see the stuff where he always brings up. Dj and how he missed on darnold and now he's bringing up the justin herbert thank constantly. This is your wave seriously sticking it back. The dj his little fun social media area spiteful. I mean i would think it'd be awkward that he asked the now work with herbert for the next decade. Like this amazing quarterback. It's like yeah. I thought you were like as good as a backup defensive. Four or ex justin her up every every show or he thought he was the twentieth best player in the draft. Which i would say is quite a compliment right for someone that that was operating in a run first offense and a head coach. That was terrified. Abbas quarterback take chances while he's leading tom to go see him as a top twenty the twentieth best player. That's fisher ain't that the truth. So let's sensor talk quarterbacks. Let's start with a pick. One big one of one of two fifty nine trevor lawrence really interesting to imagine where the jaguars end up the season if they get legit quarterback play which is in line potentially So let me throw this out as a rookie season for trevor lawrence. And you guys tell me over under this in the ballpark in your mind or is this way outta line. First of all. He's he's starting. But say i'll say a sixteen seventeen sixteen and a half games are twenty eight and a half touchdowns thirteen and a half interceptions forty two hundred yards ninety five passer rating. Am i crazy. Is this too optimistic or are we. Should we look at him. As emerging as something close to a star something. Herbert asked right out of the game. I'm going under with those numbers. I mean expecting a similar but a little lower than what herbert did last year. That s a lot to ask. I mean even even joe burrow who is blamed pretty. Well ask your wasn't going to get to those sort of numbers. And i still have questions about how this urban meyer thing goes and talent around him in jacksonville. It's not like they're loaded there. I don't think lawrence's landing in amazing situation. I think he is landing in a pretty typical situation for a number one pick. I don't know. I mean. Baker mayfield started fewer games through twenty seven touchdowns had fourteen interceptions and thirty seven hundred yards. So if you're giving an extra game sixteen and a half stars you can get. You gave them two trevor lawrence. I you're in the ballpark. And i wouldn't have a problem with over with the way that the nfl operates offenses right now under. I just feel like herbert season was such an outlier. You know in terms of just those those numbers. We don't see him. You know and i think in terms of urban he such a you know. He is such a a maniac for for winning. And i could see him trying to minimize mistakes. That are inevitably going to come with rookie quarterback no matter how good a prospect they are because we saw that in a lot of those charger games. You know as great as herbert was late game situations tended to get away from him a little bit of that could be because the defense and playing well and maybe felt like you had to do too much. But they don't have a good defense in jacksonville. I don't think they have a great offensive line in jacksonville. So i could just kind of see meyer trying especially in that division right. Kind of being able to envision. You know i. I know we don't have the roster right now but maybe there's things gettable eight running the ball a lot and i keep the numbers down but the move for this full. This fullback nonsense. What we just moved to right guard and just see how that goes olympic. A bunch of shakes up about one hundred pounds and then let's fly in text them right now. Money see if if you wanna roster spot maybe offensive line. I mean if you have it. Sounds like you have texted tibo in quite a while. That would be an odd way to get back in touch with him. But if you type tiba on your phone right now money does it bring up the most recent tax than how long ago was that. What does not wow you know. What's funny is i. don't see it in here. Abbas blocked money. Maybe he was like able to send some sort of electronic pulse. His contact by the way. When i was setting that when i was setting that Line for lawrence. I did go back and look at what andrew lucked did which is interesting because everyone says that lord ride best prospects in luck surprisingly and it's a bit of a different air at this point. This two thousand twelve but twenty three touchdowns. Eighteen interceptions completed less Just over fifty. Four percent of his passes passer rating of seventy six and a half. They went eleven and five though things doing it. And that's the type of thing where i think. That's a realistic expectation. Laura could look really good and still has numbers might not be. i guess. Part of the reside didn't set it in that area. Greg is a know the game is played differently now and it's more offensive league. No doubt inclined Anyway just field. Let's hit some of these quarterbacks justin fields. I just wanna talk about playing time. They're twelve and a half starts. he coordinates the bears. Andy dalton is in the building. Easy over yeah. I agree I thought that was about that sounded about right. I can absolutely see them. Starting dalton for three games before pulling the ripcord. We'd do this. We do this. We do this every year. What week will quarterback xs dart and in the conservative approach is always week six week five and then the team gets its butt kicked in week one and bang that guys in there in week to the no one has a patience for for fifty days. Of andy dalton. The promise you. I think the difference with fields is just his disposition is leadership like. That's that's some of the things that really make him special You hear the way teammates. Gush about him so i just think andy dalton can overcome that to me. He goes into that building he over that team. He takes over that quarterback room. He becomes their savior and their leader of this new era bears football. And i think they're just to me the the coaches they'll have to go with him. I think i think he will inspire confidence in that team. Andy dalton just simply an early on so far. I'm going over the two of convinced me. Yeah i i'm kind of with thank you. I think that was well said. I'll hit the over there to Here's a tougher one trae lance. I got an eight and a half starts. I'm going over garoppolo. And the about this. The more i think he's got a real chance to start week one And that it'll be sooner than later. I think it's all going to be up to him if he looks if he looks awesome. And he's and he's picking up the offense and he gives kyle hanson different options. I think he's got a chance to play early. I'd be interested to hear what money has to say. Because i mean from college angle is a little bit of an outlier in terms of how many passing attempts he had in college. So it's like but you hear that he's incredibly intellectual pre. Snap all there mentally. So if he's if he's able to do it. I would go over but i i would. I would always go over in these situations with the rookie quarterback's because i just don't think you go get this guy and do what you did without thinking in your mind. There's a great chance he starts fourteen or fifteen games. Russ now with you mark and greg. I think he starts. You know what if you know. What a shanahan. So good at riding disguising. It's it's winning the play before the ball is snapped. And like you said. I mean what you hear about trae. Lands is just such a smart guy someone who's able to diagnose was asked to do that to check in and out of place from the quarterback position even though it was at north dakota state You know i. I would be really surprised if he didn't start i. I've got to believe they're still crossing their fingers. That there's a way to move garoppolo. They can get you know recoup some of that draft capital they lost from a desperate team that unfortunately sustains injury in training camp or preseason so i because look you can design it right. You can kind of do what the bills did josh allen where you don't have to throw before exactly. He's lost on this. That you know when i was thinking of was when i was calling herbert. The best rookie season of the last two decades number two is probably. Rg three that same year with andrew luck and that's indian that he threw twenty touchdowns five interceptions rookie of the year. Rg three with shanahan. If you can do it for. rg three. I gotta think he's ready to do it. I just. I wonder if because we're i think we're all in agreement that the forty niners have a chance to be very good this season. And it's not all on the quarterback it's because it just sets a well rounded roster that killed by injury setbacks last season and you would think with steady quarterback play and all these other pieces that they can win a lot. I just wonder if if they decide to open the season with garoppolo and site in part that lance has such little background in playing in general even going back to college that if they get out of the gates fast and they're five and one They might not be like in a rush to put in the kid. And then when they hit turbulence around midseason angra or garoppolo gets hurt which is always a factor. Here then lance gets there. I think they're gonna play a start a similar amount of games that just a hunch but i would just quickly push back on the. They're going to be exceptional. I don't know what that defense is gonna look like you know. They got rid of buckner. That was the wrong call. You know armstead's been as good without him. I think you know kinlaw was averaged. You know to just maybe even below he started to come on a little bit end of the year but that didn't seem like an adequate replacement for buckner and that was that was a strength man. They got that push up front and that was just kind of what caused everything else to operate. Everybody celebrated robert sala for being the brains behind that defense and coordination that defense. He's gone. I don't know what his replacements gonna look. Like the secondary was beat to hell pretty rough in the secondary. They're talking to richard sherman. That looks like their weakness but they coached them up. I mean they didn't have a nick bosa last year. They didn't have a of the players and they coach them up. I kind of think maybe the scheme in the system prevails there you even without saleh all right fascinating team. The niners movie on kyle pits. They say the best prospect tight end prospect. Maybe ever i'm gonna homina homina over. Editors offense with stars at wide receiver. Julio jones the calvin ridley a former. Mvp and matt ryan with someone who approved an offensive coach at everybody loves in arthur smith with that said kyle pits as a rookie. Seventy one and a half catches eleven hundred yards shelvin half. Td's obliterates the rookie tight end record by like triple. My god well. This is a generational all time prospect. Enter an excellent offensive situation. I gotta pull up with. Darren waller had last year in one of the great tight end seasons. Because i think that might even be close to better than what waller had all right. It'd be it'd be allowed to ask. I was ready to go over for anything. Because i just wanna to believe in this in pits and i'm buying the hype. Arthur smith tight ends for what it's worth know didn't put up huge numbers in tennessee even though he certainly got a lot of touchdowns well yeah that that feels a little too rich even though i was ready to go over. I guess i'm going to have to go under by the way one of the best rookie campaigns by tight i never was mike ditka who had one thousand seventy six yards and twelve touchdowns. I mean you look across the board. Most other rookies. And i know this is sort of a trope. But there's a true isn't behind the rookie tight ends just don't produce that way. So he not a normal tight end to be fair. I think he could get the nine hundred thousand. So if you if you had put it right a little lower i i'd go under but i think that he's going to be different. I mean there's no question about that so last year waller who is i think i think that's the closest cop right. It's it's just a an impossible. Cover almost operates like a wide receiver as opposed to a tight end just so athletically gifted for his size last year waller at one hundred and seven catches for eleven ninety six and nine touchdowns but again he was targeted hundred and forty five times. I didn't look it up. I would guess the next highest targeted receiver was probably galore at like eighty five targets. Or something like that. I mean was ball out. So you got julio jones calvin ridley i just don't man that seems high to me. I didn't know what if julio jones is still in the building. Yeah if he's moved. That could other targets how nausea harris. Okay new steelers running back. He's going to be locked and loaded and be a big part of that offense. You expect as a first round. Pick running back. James conner is in arizona now. I'll set it. Eleven hundred total yards and seven and a half touchdowns go over. I'm sure fantasy people who were all down. Don't waste the first round pick on a running back that that last as long as you're in your fantasy draft and you're like who else is getting three hundred and twenty-five touches in the nfl najah harris to me was on a shortlist. I'd go over him and pits. I think have a decent chance to you. Know be underdog rookie of the year guys. Even with all these quarterbacks. I'll go over to because you mean. Jonathan taylor surpassed the numbers you mentioned last year and i think they're going to use them all day long starting right away and i think that you know you could also examine what the over under would be in terms of receiving because he's he's a dual threaten so i think he has a great chance to be rookie of the year night. Agree gotta protect banning. Barely move ball to the guy a lot lot of those smoke routes you just you know i i agree. I think he's gonna end up. You know the one thing about taylor is that he was behind the best offensive line in the league and the steelers look like they might have one of the what ten worst at this point so that'd be the only concern Especially for someone that was running behind the offensive lines. That he's been running behind is entire time in college at the same time. There's a flip side of that right. Alabama's got this great offensive line. But you're also dealing with just incredible athletes size speed ratio in the sec. So he knows what it's like to have to absorb darn close to nfl contact At the d. line linebacker level in and he broke a ton of tackle. So i'm with you. I think it's a hey clean sweep go over and i'll do one more and then if anyone else has won Please out rashad. Bateman okay First round pick of the ravens a lot of conversation that he is going to be exactly what they needed to get their passing game going. Well according to this over under. I'm not totally buying it. Fifty and a half catches seven hundred yards three and a half. Td's three and a half mean. I'll go push. I think you nailed that the exact line. He's going to have fifty and a half catches an. I think i'd go under to at least for the yards in the in the catches that's at feel like six hundred and fifty yards in forty five catches would be a success for a rookie receiver in that in that system. Come in be part of the solution in the world on fire. I feel like if i take the under. I'm going to be attacked for negative. Lamar jackson commentary. So i don't feel like getting a to. I'm already going to get attacked by the antibac- sers. I don't want to tubers coming after me after this attack. So i'll go over. The marjasin can now throw outside the numbers as accurate as any quarterback in history. I'm going over to to be fair. Hollywood brown five hundred eighty four yards and seven touchdowns his rookie season seven. Sixty nine eight. His second i think maybe bateman is viewed a little more complete than than that so i think he set the number right around right right where it should be a think the over all right there you go. Everybody wanted to throw out the i have. I have one quick. Dan esque ones because nice enough to offer to us. So you can. Just you don't have to analyze it. just go over land and dickerson your boy over under allowed two sacks allowed I don't think i'd allow tweeden judge. I don't think he's going to allow any sex out of the pivot philly. This year over seven starts all right. How about this robert sala. This has to be captured on broadcast network Footage two hundred twenty two fist bumps during the regular season over under two twenty two. So that's you know little over how mu- twelve a week or something. That's a pretty big number. He might get injured. I'm gonna go under yeah. The camera found its way to sala more often than any other player on the forty niners during his final couple of seasons there so i think the cameras will be trained on sala. Just i think the jets defense isn't gonna be good enough this year. They didn't address the ball. That's out of the ball. I think it's going to be a little bumpy as they try to figure some things out. So i'm going to go the under there about the about how about over under our well. It's not really an over under. It's an either or for your boy. Wilson has got more interceptions than touchdowns or more touchdowns than interceptions. Who zack wilson by the wing. I mean i'm gonna go well go ahead in. This is why. I know. I know where you're going greg Let's see i. It's who i am so conditioned to the failure at this position that i would guess of what's going to happen. He's going to have an up and down season and he's gonna plenty doubts around him. But i just wanna live in the realm of optimism. I'm going to say he's going to go positive wall. So you've got a mike. Leflore offense that came from the brain of kyle shanahan with a quarterback friendly. You're not gonna put quarterbacks into worlds of total chaos. It would be a huge disappointment. If you threw more picks than touchdowns so i just. I can't see that world touchdowns picks it's twenty twenty one. It's hard to do that at this point in josh allen did it i his rookie season. He had he had more interceptions. But that's pretty rare. I mean when that happens to a veteran like james. It's like you. You become a punchline. So i'm gonna say now the nfl's it's too hard to throw that many interceptions. I think he'll be fine. Accurate quarterback to talk. Yeah i just think nineteen and thirteen or something like you're gonna say like their backup. We've just talked about this last week. Their backup quarterback right now is like delta burke. I don't even know if they have a backup quarterback delta burke still alive still alive still with them. We throw mack jones over under said when i set it at seven and a half. Maybe that's too but i don't going over. I'm because i'm going what i'm rooting for. I really think they're gonna try to make this work with cam newton and they're only got to go to mack. Jones have been is truly not going. Well which is certainly possible. After watching last year's off going over going over i just. I just don't believe in almost any veteran quarterback when a first round quarterback is being brought onto the roster and. I don't also don't believe that we're gonna get cam. Newton from four years ago. Just as they ended a couple of tight ends he threw eight touchdown passes last year. This cannot be understated. overstated eight touchdowns in fifteen starts in the nfl in twenty twenty. It's almost impossible. Yeah it is almost. Oh i got one more. Let's go hand can't do better season. I think that's too tough. But who has who has better numbers devante smith or jalen waddell. I go smith for sure. I think better opera versus tongue about loa. Yeah that's fair but there's more there's more mouths to feed in miami and waddell seems like he's going to be more like a big big playmaker devante smith maybe catch us more shore rat. He looks like the number one in philly whereas autos biting go smith. You could argue going. Smith smith the gulf from to hear. I think he's gonna. They're gonna really work to make that the wide receiver prospect that actually plays out how eagles want to whereas. Maybe it's gonna take some time down to miami and i'm also like that's hold onto. I know that's not a very popular opinion. But it's not. I'm kind of with you dan. i totally popular opinion. He was totally buried. All last season there was very few out attack. Sheds gonna come slice your schedule. There's and there were reasons for the excuses and they were all valid for the most part. So i'm not like killing him saying you can't play but it just like that was not a fun guy to watch as a rookie The assumption that few months of the calendar passes and some other players involved. The old son is going to be dynamic. Maybe we'll be. We've got to see it. Yeah i'm i'm out if anybody else has any i'm all set anybody. Good real quick real quick. All right i got one more. Sorry i know. I said up over under over under podcast hosts that have a cornhole board hanging on their wall. Senate must set it at one and a half over under. Anything asked any castles anywhere in their home. Not like a studio where they do odd cast but this is my house it is in their home a corner board hanging on their wall confidently going over because i mean i don't know what is the what kind of a it could be anyone with podcast and they call themselves the host of it. We need to find one more and then tie on the entire globe for that to be at. You gotta find you guys listen to this show and you host the podcast and you have a cornhole board. Let us know go. I'm going over taking it over comfortably. Just think about like the midwest alone. All what i imagined are thousands of college football. Podcast we we were down to cornhole boards everywhere down. It's supposed to be played. It's not a decoration. It's like okay. No no this is. What's great about it. Its functionality i use. I just used it a week ago. I just pulled it off. The board took it out front cut through some bags. Put it back so not only decoration. Etcetera us getting mileage money. Go play the records behind you on a record player. If you needed to. So i think it would ruin your stylus. Would immediately record store printers and by the way they do have lines. I almost wonder if it is and exactly crack. It open attracts on the front side and there are six tracks there so and by the way. It's also a nod money to the great chris. Wesseling gets who introduced us to cornell and also it should be noted that the go fund me for the western family. Location link is hitting a three hundred thousand dollar mark and that is a testament to all the amazing bands of this show and Everyone who loved west So that is great. And it still out there if you want to hit it You can find it on our social media. accounts and Thank you to everyone. That's contributed that is awesome. Three hundred k. Hitting the that's not for you mark. Stay away from it okay nor my attempting to take hold of it. I'm glad we're it's going so we get. We got play some some bags. You know this. This offseason market were down at colleen. And god's they don't they just there's a movement they don't like the name cornhole they just like bags or baggio baggage the chicago then. Yeah like all those all gonzalez philly friends. They all called baggio bag bag. Oh yeah chicago bags. I never knew either way. I kinda i. I like the idea of bags. I like the idea of bags. The name cornel stu fair. It's a fair point. Everyone's just so everyone's so like word about saying something offensive. Everyone's taking it to a certain place. I think with cornhole. It's not it's not that thing. It's an ocean lane. Yeah i don't know console beavis and butthead. you're going to have to explain that one to me dan. Maybe you could do it right now. What are they. What are the philadelphia. It's called baghdad. Wenbin baggio please place in bego big thumbs down bags bag alec bags bags. Good awesome corn corn. Throw some corn. Okay well anyway you can find a board if you need one an money set it all and we love when you're on the show always love it anytime guys and now you've got petro's the money's coming up right all good every day and i believe i'm scheduled to talk for three hours today. That's not enough. I want her for four hours or two. Let's let's try to find another couple of hours right money. i believe we have power rankings. Nfl network this week as well. We do thursday. I believe the user gonna make the debut will serve his foil. Find us on the. Yeah that's what makes good tv him. He's he's put the jets at number eight. And i i find that dan. That's way to the top five team for me. That's why. I'm wearing the green today on the jets believer that we all right. Good stuff all right. We'll be back. Like greg said wednesday are just going to have some fun. You've got the schedule eavesdropping. So we're going to have some analysis on that including revenge games and greg. You gave me a good idea for an nfl. Dot com piece. That i have to write a spicier revenge with the bills involved So be back. Wednesday check out. Nfl network show back friday. And yes me. And money empowering thursday coming up state had the signing up four or five storm the old boss money star of the hit micro sag money on money and of course review hollywood behind the glass wanted.

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AP Laboratory - Weekly Chiefs Mailbag (Ep. 246)

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AP Laboratory - Weekly Chiefs Mailbag (Ep. 246)

"What's up everybody. Thanks for joining us today. My kent swanson. This is the ap laboratory. It's the mailbag edition kicking off your week. Very close ten days to be precise to the nfl draft. We are so close powell's and here to help me answer all your questions my dear palce i find him on twitter at chief and carolina natty lane. How about those nine and five. Kansas city royals. Who i'd hear what is happening right now. Leading in with rewind rewind. Take it back over again. No can you just let me have five seconds to bask in the nine and five. Kansas city royals off for three salvi forever to one that that was good of a basque as baseball is a sport. Wow well we love you guys. Even if you are royals fans we really super love. You guys the draft is coming. We're excited about it. Yeah let's get to talking about football now. Anyone who wants to talk royals just jumping in my mentions hashtag game. Prime time pairing. Wow you really you really botched that. You missed the. Hey anyways are pal. Primetime perrin his his grandson. William hi. it's william me and my papa are thinking offensive tackle. Maybe kevin jenkins in the first second round defensive end rashaad river weaver in wide receiver. Josh palmer or josh. He means josh immature baby from illinois. Would you guys be happy with those picks. Ps loved the matt song. I think he meant matter day. Anyways craig. There's a lot of songs that use. I really loved having jenkins thanks right in first of all william great really really loved having jenkins. That's one of my easy favorites in the draft. Right there rashad weaver. I think that might be just a little bit too early. I think that you can get rashad weaver. Probably in the third round just like you can get josh palmer. Maybe in the third or fourth round at the very deep wide receiver class so while those picks are there. I think that i'd like maybe the second around later. And then you can address another position of there. You can get a center you can try and get maybe a cornerback or a safety there but those players definitely fit in the chiefs scheme. You're targeting players that i think the chiefs are probably going to like a lot. So that's really good. But yeah i think those picks would be really awesome throughout the course of the first maybe three days there. All right burgum. Six when talking about players with injury history. What does it mean when you say if medicals are clear well it means a lot. Just here's a medicals are really critical to the evaluation process for all these guys. Ed one of the things that were on the outside looking in on is is the medical because the nfl teams are a lot more privy to the details of every single players injury. for instance. i know of players that have bigger injury. Issues in the chiefs undrafted free agent class last year. That don't really get talked about all that much. It they these. These teams have these detailed detailed evaluations of these players. So you have to have a certain level of comfort if you're nfl team acquiring a player and their medicals and no no one when we medicals are clear. There is no one entering the nfl without something. There's always a little issue here. There's nothing major but there's always gonna be some injuries when when we say medicals are clear. It's a team. Feels confident in the player in their medical history enough to warrant the selection of them. They believe that he's going to be on the field more than you know that. They're just very calm. He's gonna play a lot of football for and the they're not gonna take a player early if they don't feel like the he's going to be able to play a lot of football for him on the medical side andrew nagel to who's the player that will most certainly be there at pick two. Oh seven that you would want kansas city to take a swing on. Would you rather take a bus or take a home. run. Swing who. I like it. Well let me go. And craig statler name real quick convey in one lou and knowing. Yeah yeah knowing. Will they say so if you say so i. That's not what the pronunciation website says but i'm completely cool with going. Okay number running back out of iowa. State six point two hundred and ten pounds but he is four twos fast. He the moment. I saw just even highlights of him. It was just straight Vibes from the forty niners. I think that he's one cut and go guy. He can take the top off defense. You know he's not had a lot of work there at iowa state. They've always had some other guys ahead of him. He's always been a complimentary guy. That's been there for a while. But he's a deadly return. Man hasn't been used a ton in the passing game so as far as a receiver. You're just kind of dumping the ball off to him throwing screens. But i think he would absolutely give you the home run threat that this running back group doesn't have right now it may take them a little bit to get all the way in. But he's a guy that on three four five touches could really make his impact fell on any given game for me. I'm looking at a linebacker at boston. College zia mcduffie. He'll last that long but when she gets today. Three the those types of guys kind of get lost in a little bit very high character individual. I think he's got the potential to play as a dime linebacker for the chiefs. He needs a little bit of work though. He's a good athlete. He's a good tackler. Needs a little help in his zone. Read as a linebacker. But when you're talking about a day three guy that you can try and bring in. He's going to be an elite special teamer. High queued to be able to learn. Steve spagnolo system quickly. I think he's a guy that could get integrated into that dime linebacker role in year two and play that for the next three years of his rookie contract. That would be an excellent pick for the chiefs and you'd have to see if he has the upside to maybe play on some base down after that. I'm going to go running back as well. I'm gonna go a jake funk. The running back out of maryland. And i think he's going to be a four course. Special teamer in the national football league tested extremely well on it had some production this year in the backfield four maryland But he's a guy that has hung his hat on being a special teams player in an and is really really good. Job of that takes pride in football character Hard worker guy that is going to ultimately probably play a lot of football and special teams. That's a guy you go. You grab in the early two hundred with the last pick in your draft. No problems whatsoever taking a guy like shake funk. It's funny we both went running backs. Mattie dared religions. Can you each pick a my guy from the casey draft guide. You haven't talked up on the podcasts and let us know why you love it. It's hard to pick a my guy that we haven't talked of because these are our favorite players that draft. It's very easy for us to target them. I think have mentioned this player before but not as much as some of the other guys that i have mentioned before. It's greg island out of no. It's not greg island. Greg island all the time Rishaad goose out of wisconsin. He's five eleven one ninety seven. I think he played really well. In the slot and steve spagnuola scheme very dense. Build very physical. He's a pretty good blitzer but he's got a little bit of a short frame was short arms so he's going a little bit later. I know everybody loves his name. And everything like that. But he's probably not going to be like a highly coveted guy in day to on looking at him if the chiefs miss out on some of those early slot corners as a guy who can play a little bit of the slot. Little of the safety offer help in the run game. I think he'd fit for special pretty well but a guy that i really love watching him play just because of how physical he is and how how willing he is to do the dirty work at every position that he plays those times. Guys always the hayek you guys that do that always rise up my list. Pretty high so for me. Similar to kind. Of what craig. Saying i feel like i talked about most of the by is throughout this process especially ones that i thought the chiefs would be relatively interested in but i actually do have one that i don't think the chiefs be overly interested and that's milton williams defensive lineman. He's coming out of louisiana tech. This guy's always with three played a little defensive. Tackle little defensive in college but at two hundred eighty four pounds. He ran a sub seven second three cone. His forty yard dash was under four seven. He almost jumped forty inches in the vertical over ten feet in the broad. This guy is an absolute athletic freak. Shows up on film like everybody talks about david. Nixon christian bar. Moore's being these freakishly athletic defensive tackles that can rush the passer. Do all this crazy stuff. You can't watch milton williams before or after those guys come away thinking that those guys belong in the first round he doesn't i mean he's absolutely phenomenal. He does need a lot of work with this technique. he's coming from a smaller school. There's a reason that you know you don't hear his name as a top thirty two player consistently there's work to be done but in this week defensive tackle class. Give me the elite athlete. That i would want hundred percent. Be pounding the table to have. This guy played defensive end if he didn't have short arms. Like i do think he's going to have to kick inside play as a pure one gap penetrating three tech at the nfl level but as powerful as he isn't his hands. Get it thirty. Four reps in the bench press. He's throwing offensive linemen with ease. He's got the explosion the band like he's the entire package. You'd want out of the defensive tackle. The cheese already have plenty of three tax on the roster for me. And i think this might be the only guy i really haven't talked a lot about running back devante williams at north carolina and if devante williams gets put in the right situation. I wouldn't be surprised. Even the slightest. If he's the most productive player out of his rookie contract i and potentially just in this entire class. I think he's got all the physical tools that you're looking for. And you know i. I think he's got more promises. Pass protector than like a travis at t and he's just got a lot of really good qualities that you like. I think he's got great vision I think he sees a feel extremely well. I really patient runner but also violent patients in violence. Don't come together go together very often but in a guy like this does he really weights explodes. When the time's right really good timing there and is just insanely difficult to bring down at the second level. He's just physically imposing in terrifying for second level too. Finishing third love defenders. Obviously so just a really physical guy. The second level love him very physical Balanced contact balance. But the thing. That's really interesting about him is like we're talking about these things. We're talking about this strength. Power as a runner. He's got a lot of ability in the passing game to Know michael carter got a lot of run there at north carolina as the pass catcher in that offense but it's not like devante williams's slouch either. He's completely capable of operating all the basic concepts and probably a little bit more as he progresses in gross in the passing game and he's also the potential to be an elite pass protector. So there's just a lot to like about is game. He's wanting to be running back three. I wouldn't even be surprised if he's the best running back in this class when it's all said and done the layman's terms asks at thirty one. Who is each of your worst nightmare. Pick for the chiefs the one that fills you with existential dread had to be at least a consensus top. One hundred player or very often considered a top one hundred player. Mine is going to seem like a little bit of a cop out. Because it's a player that i actually love levi on ricky out of washington levi played nose tackle at washington but he's probably best suited to play it three tac. I think that's where he'd play in the nfl. He's a penetrating player. He's a disruptive player he would make some sense he's not quite to the three hundred threshold but maybe could put on a little bit weight and he can play the run and the pass well enough but that would mean that the chiefs are saying. Hey chris jones. You are going to be a defensive end for us full time now and we are going to keep on the inside i think. From a schematic standpoint. I don't love that. I'm okay with trying it on bass downs and kicking jones back inside but if you're adding a reiki you've got drawn read. You've got chris jones. You've got some of these other guys that play on the interior turk. Wharton i don't know that it makes a ton of sense but with blades brett. Vh tears players and moves guys into tears and tries to take guys that are in upper tiers without necessarily picking positional value. I can see how he could justify a player like levi on ricky. And from schematic standpoint. I just don't love making that move for me. It's going to be a guy that just slipped into our top one hundred but it's kind of a consensus top fifty guy that's interior offense lineman out of oklahoma creed humphry now only do i mean i just simply not think that he's a worthy of a first round pick from a player available standpoint. I think there's no chance that you could sell me that. He is the thirty first best player. The draft and the best player left on the board. The chiefs rubbed the pick. But even furthermore you do have to factor. No team has ever in the history of the. Nfl sat there just drafted one hundred percent on the highest rated player left with the board. You have to consider your roster a little bit your team roster scheme fit stuff does matter. I don't see how you can justify paying offensive tackle money to a guard having the next highest paid position on your offensive line the other guard spot bringing although for just a year center and then draft another interior offense lime the first round. That's just spending way too many resources on a senior position. And then you get to the point. That i don't think creed humphry. Does anything special any. His athletic testing was phenomenal is through the roof but when you watch them play. He doesn't play like a great athlete. He constantly gets big boy in the pocket. He looks like every single play. He's playing just a barely hang on and not get run over. Yeah he does do a pretty good job making some nice reach blocks occasionally because he has that back that wrestling background. He's good with his leverage. But you rarely see him. Drive a guy out of a hole. Get his hips around a shaded nose. Tackle i just don't see anything. He does special that you'll be in the player. You don't draft that for thirty one so every year round mock with thirty one other people across the country. It's pretty fine in the first round of that draft a wide receiver went off the board. That i have zero interest in the chiefs taking and would be actively upset. And it's rondell. More at purdue. I look at rondell more. And i mean he's ultra heine. I mean tinier than we all even anticipated and he plays like it. He's a small gadget. Type player that you're going to have to really get involved in a lot of different ways. You're going to have to generate a lot of touches for him and the she have a lot of guys that can do that in that are are getting a lot of manufacturing opportunities. I think all that means is. I think that the exact same thing for ron demo rondo. More bad player. I don't think he's like as good as everybody wants to be. Wants him to be. And i don't think he's everything that that people thought he was two years ago When he kind of took the an you know college football by storm. But i i just i hate the idea of including a guy like this five seven hundred. Eighty one pounds and he's getting a lot of early round or you're not getting some round late round one buzz. He's getting some top sixty four. I don't want the cheese to touch them. I'll be very upset if the cheese touch him because they already got a lot of gadget types already got guys that they're having to try to manufacture touches for all right. We'll break we'll be back with more of your questions right after this all right answering some more questions from all of y'all bt and casey. Is there a safety in the draft. That casey could take that would shore up their needs at defensive back or does it absolutely need to be a corner. I i assume that you're thinking of like village. Area sneed thing that happened last year. And if you're looking at that. Richard grants guy. I think reggie grant could play kick down in the slot play in man coverage he's got the versatility to play on the back end. He is a ball hawk and he's probably a guy that's going to be a top fifty player. I think that we're starting to see that. The league is coveting a lot of these guys that have that versatility to play both back and up a little bit more and so it doesn't have to be a cornerback. It's just the guys that are ready to come in and play at that level outside of a guy likely geria- sneed who was a surprise to everybody in the league which is why he went at the end of the fourth round. I think that you're seeing a lot of those guys go early. But hey the cheese. Wanted to target richie grant. You're not gonna get any complaints out of me. I love richie grant so much fun. Senior bowl so much fun. Daniel phantom assuming he's one hundred percent healthy what do you think. The chances are that prince teagle would no-go mixed the final fifty three man roster if you can ensure his health a think based on what i saw from him in auburn where i gave him a top fifty grades and casey draft guide. Last year i would have to say that To be one hundred percent that he makes the roster. I mean it's not like he's facing stiff competition right now. He is one of the few tackles the. You're going to get out of this draft class or on the roster right now. That fit what andy. Reid currently likes with the longer arms. Good athletic profile. He didn't get a test last year at the combine or during his pro day dude injury which is also why he fell him a draft. But i think people have to remember. Here's a guy who ran a four six. Four forty yard dash where jordan. It's at his high school's pro-death he just rolled onto the football field. Never played football before the team was running the forty yard dash. It was his first day and he ran it in basketball shoes. He's a super athlete when you watch play. That shows up with his ability to get depth on his kick slide. His hands might be as quick as feet are like. They are constantly moving. They're very fast. I like his ability to play a hope. He's healthy enough to get a chance. Because i'd be really excited to see what a healthy prints can do on the same. Yes i mean the perfect. If prestige one hundred percent healthy you know what they call the the the eagles second round pick last year like i think that's the name like it's such a. It's such a hard thing like we talked about earlier. It's hard to separate the player from the from the medical because the medicals is such a critical key part of that. A lot of people say for instance the combine The athletic testing part of it isn't as important to nfl teams as the medical part. Speaking of athletic testing wasted motion when looking at profiles for the draft guide has relative athletic score replaced spark. What do you guys prefer. The spark score is pretty common metric. Used out there. There's something called relative athletics gore that we very much subscribed to hear when we're doing the casey draft guide when we're talking about athletic profiles at math bomb on twitter Can't leave platt does a great job with a built a kind of a model that kind of qualifies athletic testing relative to a lot of different factors mostly height speed height weight. And all that stuff. It's great and it's something we absolutely subscribed to. It's not something that's necessarily commonplace across the board with you. Know i don't think teams are using it. I don't think a lot of a lot of evaluators necessarily using it. It's something that we've really we've really enjoyed you know using For some of the stuff that we do so Yeah i think that's that's been a really good thing for us in what we're trying to do with the casey draft guide in. I suggest anyone that is interested in athletic scores. Go to math bomb. At math bomb on twitter he does outstanding work and he deserves a bazillion followers for all the stuff. He does for the nfl draft community. Chief boy are digi and seems like trading back. Sounds like it might be a good option. If the board doesn't look great for us at thirty one what players do you imagine. A team would even want to trade up to thirty one four and who could the potential team be. That's the qualm that you run into with anytime you wanna trade back in a mock draft scenario or even the real draft there has it takes two people the tanga those situations. Somebody has to be willing to come up. I think we all heard the rumors last year. That the chiefs tried to trade out jordan. Love went off the board and all of a sudden. The phone lines just went point. Nobody was left this year when you look at the chiefs needs wide receiver edge. Rusher cornerback offensive tackle. They need all the positions that teams normally would be trading up for. That aren't quarterbacks. So unless for some reason mack jones sitting there at thirty one. I don't really see a player possibly available that another team would want enough to trade up for that the chiefs would also be interested. Usually a got a team isn't going to trade up for a tight end. They're not going to train up for an offensive guard and with the cheeser sitting there thirty one and the best player left is one of these important positions that teams would be willing to put an extra value to trade up to the chiefs would probably be looking at them now. Maybe it's a offense With shorter arms. Baby it's a wide receiver that belongs in the slot. And then the chiefs won a slide out of that because that doesn't fit what they're looking for. I can't even begin to give you a team. But i think that's the only way is it's just the not a style fit because at thirty one the chiefs should be taking the player's worth trading up for d fifty. Eight hit was the latest. You think the chiefs can pick and offensive. Tackle is the end of round two too late. The board seems to be shifting with walker little and stone forsyth. Where do you think they go now. Without trading up and tevin jenkins gone. Who is your best choice for offensive tackle. I think around two is the latest at this team can address the offensive tackle position and get someone that has a chance to be their starting left. Tackle this year be at week one or week. Seven or ten Whatever I do think guys like stone. Forsyth and walker little could potentially be gone by sixty three and i think they could be in play. Pick thirty one because you know what you call. Short short armed tackles e. Call them guards. And this is the year of the o. t. rex. This is a year where a ton of talented football players. Don't meet the thresholds that a lotta nfl teams subscribe to and guess what historically the kansas city chiefs have So exceptions are either going to have to be made or the chief sir you know. The talent pool for the tackle position specifically is a lot different than we expect I one of the scenarios thought about with a with a walker little and stone forsyth trade into the forties and start your draft with one of them that could be a scenario that you could see the cheese potentially attack and i just depends on. Who's there at thirty one. I mean like we just got done talking about In a perfect world there's some suitors and they can move back and gain an extra pick. But i still think that's happening. I think i think i'm resigning myself to like my my thresholds low right now guys. We talked about this baby a little bit last week. Like walk little stone foresight. I'm just i fine. I get it i understand. graver tanner. How many of these shorter arm tackle prospects could play left tackle for the cheese in twenty twenty one as a stopgap and it. if it doesn't work out then move them inside in twenty twenty two and the chiefs address left left tackle in next year's draft free agency. There's there's certainly a few is like that. The guy that i bank the most on being able to do. Just that is elijah vera. Tucker and he's probably not going to fall to the chiefs unless teams are just turned completely off by the fact that he's got thirty two and one eight inch arms and just don't want to take a guard that high i think he's got the movement ability. I think he's got the technique. I think he could do it in year one. But i think if you take elijah vera tucker and you say we're gonna stick you out at tackle i brett. Vj andy reid. Already in. The back of their minds are saying yet. No this isn't like we're immediately moving this dude. Maybe even by week eight to bring in. You know like eric fisher or something like that to get a guy with a little more length on the outside so i just think the andy. Reid is going to be almost completely rigid to his standards. So i i am very much. I i just don't think that he's going to go with one of the short on guys. Honestly i don't think you spend a first round pick as a stopgap you spend first round pick to be the guy and yet it's not a situation where like hey we'll put him outside. Maybe it works then if not. We'll just keep them inside. that's why i think. The talent pool is really restricted. Like elijah vera tucker's. I think he's a guard on their board. Sure frankly hey would you let him play tackle. I oh yes. I would i would. But i'm also not running franchise that extra inch of arm. Length really means analytically the same way these coaches deal because it is there is some statistical stuff to although i think your mind. Pf says arm link does it matter. But according to their grading scale which whatever. Tomas ramirez do the chiefs get a wide receiver edge or best player and then hope for spencer brown or walker little to fall to the third round tomas. I don't think spencer brown or walker litter will little will fall to sixty three. So i don't think i don't think they're in the situation where they can try to play the board at tackle which is why. I do think that they'll probably leave their trade up at a sixty three or they're taking thirty one or something in between were they're fu they're winding up in the fifties or forties to make pick at tackle or at thirty one. I guess is kind of just how i look at it. I think that she's getting a tackle very early in this draft. Graeme ballard since we're still a week out from the draft somewhat talking in circles. Let's change it up three round steak draft for each a candy bar cereal and soda then put the results out for a twitter poll to determine the winter. I love it. Let's go candy bar craig. You have the first pick. I don't eat sugar. This this is going to be a terrible draft for me. I don't do it i'm not. I don't drink soda or eat candy bars or do i don't either but i can make a good pick all right. greece's peanut butter cups. Mattie the very specific the easter reese's peanut butter cups shaped egg. I knew that was coming. I tell you i'm not joking. I'm not joking. This has made the airwaves on our show before. It's clearly the best vandy bar to ever exist. He's it's because the ratio of peanut butter is much better than the standard according to fat. That's a fat okay. That's not according to me. That's a fact all right fine. I'm going snickers. Yikes because i'm smart are right cereal. I am going to go with the classic golden grams. i think. That's a solid initial first. Pick no no. I'm not picks not in cinnamon toast. Crunch boom matt go. Kids come with the anti each draft was down here hit single after single after single. Not even trying to strategy his bad boys out. But we're gonna go with. I really would like to go with like one of the kashi cereals but last time we tried. This people got really mad. God forbid you we feel. It's not all sugar so let's just go with peanut butter cap'n crunch and make you guys happy that just downing sugar here. Do we do this before. What did i miss. liza had. We've had food conversations over the last three years craig. Goodness what's your cereal. You old man is at grape nuts. Though man you have no idea how much i wanted to like raisin bran or something like that but no brand frost x. We're doing frosted flakes. I won that one. I think golden golden grams would a one would've been less than a single you would've been gone out heist sodas. I don't drink soda either. But we're going to do this and we're gonna win all right soda mattie go. I have not drink a soda in over a decade so this is a very difficult on like. I literally have taken less than like five sips of soda in that time so in spite of winning draft. I guess dr pepper craig scale of complexity. Ip by four hands off shot onto forehands for. You know making a great beer coke coca cola. Yes at the southern coke or is that the coca cola. Poi- this is painful changes. I took the two very clear and obvious answers. It's like kogan. Dr pepper large gap and then with surge. He was talking about surge the other day he should have brought surge back. So i guess i think i i hate this. I think it sucks. But i'm gonna go pepsi just to give myself a chance but you lost your chance with snickers so are you kidding me. You're gonna be there sneakers sneakers a if there's a if there's a tournament it's a one seed it's one of the four one that was not even. It's an arguable. Not graeme ballard. Thank you thank you for giving us something different to talk about other than the draft unfortunately not sweet spot for most of my mind. Boggled does we. I just like kids confidence. That he's gonna put together a great draft and he literally came out with snickers golden grahams or something in pepsi like he had this confidence of a great draft and he came out here with like the the stuff. You've got an eight year old that you didn't like I don't like how the board felt. Okay brian i. I picked last twice traded back bread. I picked last twice. Take a man seventeen. Do you predict the chiefs will draft eight players more than eight players or fewer than eight players. I think they'll take fewer than eight players. They will make a trade breadth beach. Doesn't know how to not make a trade in a draft. Historically is done that in every single draft shriver aaron. Who's the chiefs player that gets involved in a draft day trade. That would be unexpected craig. That's a tough one. i. I'm gonna say somebody that maybe have a little bit of depth at right now. So maybe l. d. t. I know that his contract makes it to where you can't really cut him very easily. Trading doesn't really save a whole lot against the cat but they do have a lot of guards on their roster right now and they brought in these guys over l. d. t. recently so i think if they're viewing positions where they actually have an abundance of players. That's one of the only once the the rest of this team is pretty thin and a lot of places so. I don't think that we're gonna see a super surprise. Trade much of anywhere. I i mean you could. I know everybody's screaming frank clark right now while they're listening to this but you don't want this team going into twenty twenty one without to defensive in that can play so each this fan asks land dickerson is available at sixty. Three and dylan. Moses is at ninety four. Do you make one to or zero of those picks. Matthew burmese come down to the medical staff. Says if they check out both of these guys they clear both of them i think landed dickerson. At sixty three is a no brainer. I'm taking one ten times out of ten times dylan moses. At ninety four the board probably have to fall a specific way for me to feel great about that one but if his knee gets a complete check off the medical staff. I don't think it's a bad pick there and i would have no qualms pairing with way to dickerson again. This it's all about if these guys get signed off on by the people paid to sign off on them andrew. Richard six you're the chiefs. Gm you fired your dad. The longtime head coach your girlfriend who happens to be the capital ru find your sticky note that you dropped on draft day and gives it back to you. It reads blank no matter what. Who is your vantera. Mac for thirty one craig. Who've i'm going to go jinx just because of what we talked about earlier yes. He's a little shorter. Yes he's transitioning right tackle to left tackle in this situation. But he's got the mentality. I think he's got the athleticism. I just love the way that he plays. And i would love to add a guy that can just step up and be that kind of physical presence next to joe tony and know that left side of the line is going to be pretty good for the next five years. And you're not going to have to really worry about mahomes his backside very often tommy trimble. No i'm just kidding. That's too early for tommy trimble but it would still be okay in my heart. I'm gonna go with these kind of a hard thing to do. Picking it thirty one because you obviously have thirty picks that go before you so you don't know what's going to be there. Don't care linebacker at penn state. Mike parsons no matter. What if he's there. Whatever teams passed on him because of however immature. He may be off the field. Get over it. Figure out how to make it work. I think the chiefs have come across especially in the playoffs. A lot of really good linebacker play lately between levante david. Fred warner took probably the two best linebackers in the nfl. They both played against the chiefs. Really wealth and the last two super bowls go out. Get your version of those guys. I really think. Mike parsons has a good chance to end up on that level. I would take him in the top ten of you. Were picking in the top ten if he somehow that thirty one don't waste any time you get to the podium faster than he ran his forty time mino reads. Don't trade up no matter what. I really don't see a ton of realistic scenarios where there's a guy following i really don't i just honestly i would be really surprised to see Anybody in striking distance for the chiefs that we're super excited about If that's the case don't go up and just sell sell the world for tevin jenkins as much as i love kevin jenkins. I'm not trying to trade my first and second round. Pick to move up all the way up for them. So i would try not to trade up so that's really my i mean kind of really my answer. My player answers if jason was there thirty one. Take the man. I don't care about the lack of sack. Production last year he was still a disruptive player he has an unreal athletic profile and the tape is still good. It's just not there's just not a lot of sacks and in the case of two thousand twenty zero sex that is going to do it for the ap laboratory mailbag thank you guys so much. Listening will be back on wednesday with the draft show. We are so close to draft. A cannot wait. These owes a royal.

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Eye on the Enemy #51: Could Howie Roseman Take an Offensive Lineman at 12?

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Eye on the Enemy #51: Could Howie Roseman Take an Offensive Lineman at 12?

"Hello bleeding green nation and welcome back to another edition of i on the enemy powered by sp nation and bleeding green nation. I'm your host. John stolnis you can follow me on twitter at john stolnis. Well we are less than a week away from the start of the nfl draft and coming up. I'm going to give you my mock draft that it takes you through. At least the eagles pick at number twelve because really wants. The eagles are done picking in the first round. You don't really care about what happens the rest of of course you do but we're only going to go through the first twelve so we can get you that eagles pick in the first round and see what's going to be left on the board at least as far as i can tell by the time the eagles pick at number twelve also The sportsbooks are out there. And we'll get you the odds on who vegas thinks. The eagles are going to take with their first round selection. Plus i wanna play a couple of cuts from nick. Serianni news conference. With andy ytl and howie roseman earlier. This week and weigh in on Had to say obviously he's been a little bit of a lightning rod of criticism in the instances in which he's spoken up and i wrote a piece for bleeding green nation dot com this week that i want to expound on just a little bit so we'll do all that coming up here in the next few minutes on on the enemy but i the draft and this is probably the most important draft of how a rose men's tenure and i don't know if nick if howie roseman is drafting for his job. I was asked that question when i was on the ninety four. Wip morning show Earlier this week is howie. Roseman drafting for his job. Because i know a lot of people heard the the fire your how chance at the phillies game earlier this week and you know i think if the eagles weren't aware how annoyed and upset and frustrated and angry much of the fan base is at this football team right now i think maybe they got a little bit more of a taste of it at the phillies game. But you know. I don't think. I think the fire how he chance have been a little bit overblown I don't know that. That's really moving. The needle for jeff. Laurie a whole lot. So i don't really feel like this is draft were howie. Roseman is drafting for his job. Now you can only have so many bad drafts and get away with it right. I mean that's the bottom line you. You can only have so many mistakes in the first and second round with your draft picks before it eventually comes back to bite you in the rear end but the trade how he made moving down from number six to number twelve certainly indicates that he feels like he's not going anywhere for a while that it was not imperative to him that they land that true superstar player here in the first round this year and i think that they also do feel like they have a collection of position players that they're comfortable taking at number twelve. We talked about it on the podcast last week. I really hope the eagles are able to jump in front of the cowboys and the giants and move into the top ten once again. Just because i don't wanna pick behind that The giants and the cowboys again. I i don't. I don't wanna lose out on a player that this team really needs because division rivals picked in front of them and i want to play something that peter schrager on the. Nfl network said earlier this week. Because i thought it was interesting in it i i. I kind of agreed with him. I understand why lots of folks are upset about the eagles moving down from number six to number twelve and feel like feel like that last game of the season last year the game. The eagles tanked where they played. Nate seinfeld the whole game in order to finish with as high a draft. Pick as possible. You just you know gave that away. Now you're behind the other division rivals that you that you've finished in last place behind last year and you finished in last place on purpose like that is that it was a purposeful thing that the eagles wanted to do and that is so that they could pick his hype in the draft. Is they could listen to peter. Schrager had to say about it because it is a little bit interesting arcega whiteside over decay metcalf a couple of years ago. And that's something that haunts organization that they miss picks time and time again which puts the pressure on the general manager but want to go back to week. Seventeen where it was. Eagles washington washington wins. They go to the playoffs. If washington loses the giants go to the playoffs and remember the eagles put in sub fell for hurts and they lose the game and silla them as the sixth overall pick. our we've been previewing the draft and three days since the day. The season ended there about six players. We talk about a lot. Okay quarterbacks there but then you got your waddell you've got your obviously your sewell and then we talk now ser tan and maybe chase and pits. And it's like a handful of guys. The eagles had the sixth pick in this draft. They could have gotten one of the stars of this draft and they need to start your point. They need star power. They also need to show their fans. We know how to nail this pick. We can get a guy. That's going to be a franchise cornerstone in all pro. You drive that at six. But then the eagles made a trade with the dolphins backed forty. Nine bird sorry dolphin. They tried from six to twelve twelve spot on. Maybe you're getting the third tackle. Maybe you're getting devante. Smith if two teams pass on means that two teams said he was too skinny. We don't wish i find this. It'd be fascinating draft for the eagles. They're loading up. All these draft picks and i know we've made a lot about the fact. They have eleven draft picks in this draft. Five of them are in the sixth and seventh round in the mike. Lee hood of those guys making the roster are not griff six draft picks basically in six and they just traded out of a top six pick. I've found that to be very curious. They're loading up a lotta quantity to your point. I don't know if there's quality and i wonder if the twelve th pick overall they can still nail that selection and have like an all pro at six. I'm not so sure. But here's the thing that peter dozen recognize released. Maybe he's not thinking about and what many eagles fans are not thinking about. Yes tanking that game against the against the washington football team in the final and the final week of the season final game of the season. It did move them down further in in the draft. Obviously it did move them behind their own division rivals the cowboys and the giants but it also resulted in them getting a first round. Pick next year. If you would have told me that the eagles would could lose that game on purpose in exchange for a first round pick next season i would have made that trade right. You would have made that trade you would have you would have made that trade off. The eagles didn't give away the number six pick for nothing. They didn't move down six pots for nothing. They gained a first round pick next season. So it's not like they. You can't just look at this draft as the only draft. The eagles are ever going to have. And i think that's the thing with howie. Roseman is. I think we have to look at this draft as as it's not the last draft that howie roseman is ever going to have. I don't think how i rose. Men would have made this move if he felt there was a chance that this is the draft that he was ever going to have. I don't care how many fire howie chance. There are going up at phillies games right. He's not going to it doesn't it doesn't make sense for jeff laurie to keep him and then fire him. One year into nick serianni tenure a year in which we all know. The eagles are going to be a bad football team. This is not a good roster. This is a this is a roster that is that is one of the probably in the bottom five to bottom seven rosters in the nfl heading into the draft so no one is expecting this team to go nine and seven next year. It's not gonna be a disappointment if they finished five eleven or or four and twelve. Because that's what that's the roster that they have and so. This is not a roster. That's going to get fixed in one draft. And if if jeffrey lori is going to keep howie roseman around as the guy making all the decisions and and i don't feel. That was the right decision. Obviously we all most of us listening wanted a change wanted jeff laurie to do something different to move in another direction because jet because howie roseman has not had a good track record in watching. What's happened to this team over the last few years we all recognize that but the fact remains jeff. Lurie brought him back. And i don't think he brought howie roseman back to fire him after one season next year. I don't think we're going to be looking at replacing. The general manager next offseason no matter how bad the eagles are. I mean maybe they go. Oh and sixteen. You're talking about something. And maybe if the first round and second round selections are so egregious and so off the board and so disastrous that it really forces jeffrey. Laurie's hand. but i don't necessarily think that's going to be case. So when howie roseman makes this deal. Yes when you just look at this draft. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense because you tank that game against washington in the final week of the season last year so that you can finish behind your division rivals so that you can pick in front of them and then you give that positioning away by making that trade with the dolphins but you pick up a first round draft pick next year. And that's a deal howie roseman. Just felt like you couldn't turn down. That's a draft pick of movie just couldn't resist picking up a first rounder to move down six spots and you're still picking number twelve in the draft. There still should be a good player here. I'm going to do my mock draft in just a minute. There still should be a good player. Now is it going to be a generational talent. Like a kyle pits. Probably not. is it going to be a generational talent. Like one of the quarterbacks that are there is it going to be a generational talent. Like jamaal chase. Now it's not it's not going to be one of those type of guys but it should be a guy that is a highly productive players should be a guy that's going to make this team better. And so no matter what no matter what anybody says the move down made some sense and what i would like to see for them to trade one of their extra third round picks to move up a little further in the first round of the draft and maybe leapfrog in front of dallas and the new york giants but We'll see how roseman does that have been all kinds of rumors about the eagles possibly moving up the eagles possibly moving down and we will wait to see. Obviously what they do and probably won't happen until draft night if you're a betting man and you want to wager on who. The eagles will select with their first pick again. That could be at number twelve or a trade up or down Fan duel sportsbook is offering the following odds on the twenty most likely options ranked from the shortest odds to the longest. And they believe patrick certain. The cornerback is going to be. I is the is the guy with the shoe. The shortest odds at plus three hundred they believe patrick's tan. The second is going to be the eagles picker. at least. That's where the smart money is going now in order for that to happen. The eagles are going to have to trade up. They're going to have to jump in front of the dallas cowboys. Because if patrick sir tana's sitting there at number ten he's going to dallas and with the giants picking at number eleven. He could also be gone at number eleven. So i don't see any way ser. Tan makes it all the way to number twelve now. The other two most likely players at plus four twenty on the board are both guys that many if not most people think will still be there at number twelve. The eagles probably would not have to move in order to land wide receiver devante smith or wide receiver. Jalen waddell same goes for cornerback. Jc horn at plus five fifty linebacker. Mike parsons also there. Plus seven fifty. I think mike parsons. You'll here in a second. Mike go a little earlier than that. But he's a lotta. he's a player. A lot of folks are are mocking to the eagles. And have you. People not seen howie roseman draft over this last decade. He's not drafting a linebacker in the first round folks. That's just not happening. Sean slater offensive. Lineman is at plus one thousand with cudi pay a defense event at plus eleven hundred. That's a sneaky. Here's the thing about pay. That's a sneaky show. that's a sneaky. Pick right there. So are these two players that i'm about to mention right now. Elijah vera tucker and christian darussalam two offensive tackles at plus twelve hundred. Both those guys will probably still be there at twelve and you'll here in just a second with my mock draft who i think the eagles are gonna take but all of those different guys are in play and now. Here's some other folks that you might need to move around. In order to go get caleb farley cornerback plus fourteen hundred might move down for a guy like that panay sewell at plus fourteen hundred offensive tackle. You probably have to move up in the draft to go get him And then there's guys like jalen phillips jeremiah. A wou Corre moa kyle pits again. You have to weigh up to go. Get kyle pits. That's it plus forty three hundred same as quarterback trae lance. I mean so you're talking about some guys. You're just not going to go up and get at that point. But patrick's are ten is is the most likely draft pick for the eagles at number twelve according to federal sports books. And that's not smart money. Because i'm not. I'm not sure the eagles are going to move up. I'm not sure they're going to go up and get The number nine pickety number eight pick and go up and get patrick certain if they can stay where they are and draft. Devante smith jalen waddell or frankly. Jc horn so tans the best quarterback in the draft. I don't know how far behind. I have horn horn horn. Definitely number two. But if they go with smith or wattle or horn. You're getting really good player. You get a really good player there at number twelve. And i think those are definitely i think. Smith and waddell and horn are more likely than patrick's tan said. It's kind of interesting that they have him as the shortest odds. So here is my twenty. Twenty one completely uninformed mock draft taking you all the way through pick number twelve. I'm not gonna read. I'm not going to run down. Every every every selection through the the entire first round. We'll just do through when the eagles pick. And i know there'll be other folks are making long mock drafts and doing eagles only mock drafts but kind of wanted to get a sense for how i feel the the first round going leading up to the eagles pick and i don't like mock drafts where they put trades in them. So i don't have anybody moving up or down in in my mock draft. I just think it's impossible to predict who's going to make a trade who's gonna move all over the place and when you do that it throws your throws the entire mock draft out of whack and you can't compare it to other mocks so i like mock drafts where they're not making trades for teams. And so i did not invent any additional traits. Although i do think some of these teams could be looking to move around so number one. These first few are not going to be surprise. Jacksonville is gonna take trevor lawrence to quarterback from clemson pretty much the consensus sky the consensus that. This guy is the best. Qb and the draft. Jacksonville shouldn't need any more than five seconds to hand in the car. They've probably already turned the card in so trevor. Lawrence is going to be jacksonville. Jaguar at number two. The new york jets gonna take zack. Wilson quarterback byu. That's where i think. They're going to go with their pick. They're obviously taking a quarterback as the sam. Darnold era is mercifully over there in new york. But i think they're going to go with zack. Wilson The big quarterback out of byu. Now san francisco moved up to number three so that they could take their franchise quarterback they obviously do not care for jimmy garoppolo as their main guy and so. I have them taking mack. Jones quarterback from alabama and a quarterback from alabama is always a. It's a tricky thing. Because there really haven't been very many good quarterbacks from alabama history of alabama starting quarterbacks in the nfl isn't the best so for san francisco sake. Here's hoping that jones reverses that trend. And then i have another quarterback dean being taken number four. The atlanta falcons. I have them taking trae. Lance from north dakota state. And here's a trivia question for you the last quarterback from north dakota state to be drafted in the top five of the nfl. Draft carson. wentz. Nine oh i like to pass on trivia to folks number five the first non quarterback taken. We'll be jomar chase wide receiver of lsu by the cincinnati bengals. Yeah the bengals could also use help on the offensive line and Peninsula is the best in the class and you could see him going to cincinnati here. But i think this is a great chance for the cincinnati. Bengals to get joe. Joe burrow some more help at the receiver position and that would make that offense dangerous That'd be a pretty potent offense If cincinnati can can pull that off. And so i think they'll have their pick of position players and i think they'll take jomar chase wide receiver from lsu at number five overall. That brings us the miami dolphins at number six where the eagles would have been drafting and i have them going with tight. End kyle pits. Yes the dolphins need receiver help but with chase off the board really would make more sense for them to move down a little bit in order to go. Get devante smith of wattle. And i don't. I don't see them. I know there's been a lot of rumors about the miami. Dolphins potentially moving down in the draft again. I don't really see that happening instead. I see them going out and they could go after they could go after an offensive tackle here. Sewell is still on the board. They go after him. But i think the dolphins need a lot of receiver help and with chase off the board. They're gonna add the most dynamic tight end prospect. We've seen in quite a little while. And so i think the dolphins will grab florida tight end. Kyle pits at number six overall with the eagles former pick number seven overall the detroit lions. I think is where we'll see. Pin seoul get taken offensive tackle from now. They could go with justin fields here. If they don't fully believe in. Jared goff you've also got waddell and smith both here at wideout but again. I think that this is a spot. Where if the lions do wanna go look at wide receiver. This is a spot to trade down. You could be looking at number seven as a trade up opportunity for a lot of different teams. There's a lot of people mocking the lines trading out of the spot. But i have the lions staying at number seven. And i'm giving them the best offensive tackle in this draft in order to help out jared goff. I think it's gonna. I think it makes more sense for them to go that direction than it is to to go with jalen wall or devante smith if they are sticking at number seven again. I think this is a spot where the lions could move down another team where we've heard a lot about them talking about moving down as the carolina panthers and i have them. Taking justin fields quarterback from ohio state here and field is obviously one of the most fascinating picks in this draft. There've been so many different opinions and points of view about him is he limited his reads is he not does he have the desire to put in. The work needed to get to be a great quarterback. Is that all just hot air. There's been a lot of controversy surrounding justin fields. The fifth quarterback taken here in this draft falling at number eight to the quarterback needy panthers. I think i didn't. Carolina would jump at the chance to take a shot on him here and give that rule his franchise quarterback and i think this is a great landing spot. Justin fields of carolina finds themselves with the opportunity to take him. So i have just in fields going to the panthers here at number eight four. Pick away from your philadelphia eagles and it number nine. I have the denver broncos taking linebacker. Mike parsons from penn state. I know parsons has been falling down the draft board a little bit here and recent weeks but You know. I think the broncos will be upset if there one pick away from snagging fields and this is where maybe the broncos trade up i had been talking about maybe the broncos trading out of number nine if they miss out on their quarterback fields i could easily see trading down and this would be the spot for the eagles to jump up and get in front of dallas and new york and take this pick right here and i don't think the eagles would take parsons. I think the broncos would be happy to take parsons here which brings us to the dallas cowboys at number ten and i have the dallas cowboys ten. I think this is as sure a pick as you're gonna find in this draft if the cowboys are picking at number ten and he's still available. Patrick ser tan. Cornerback from alabama is going to dallas. They desperately need help in the secondary. Just like the eagles do and here. I think they grab the best cornerback. Prospect left on the board. Which takes you to the new york giants at number eleven. And this is a guy that i would love to see fall to the eagles if it happens to if he happens to fall that far but if not i think we're sean slater offensive tackle from northwestern goes right here yes both jalen waddell and davante smith are still here but i feel like the giants are pretty set at wide receiver. So while you're ge- you generally want to take the best player available and not draft for position of need getting a left tackle here in order to move andrew thomas over to the side of the line where he's more comfortable. I just think makes a lot of sense. If you really want to give daniel jones the opportunity to win that job and the giants have really made an effort to you know going out and signing kenny golladay to go out and improve the offense. There's a lot of talent at the skill positions. If you can stabilize the offensive line and not have daniel jones. Worry about getting sacked and fumbling. Then you may have something here. And sean slater seems like a perfect pickier for the new york giants at number eleven. Which takes us to the philadelphia eagles at number twelve. And i really gone back and forth on this. Pick and i i've gone. I've approached this. Pick from a very cynical place in some respects. Because i have zero confidence that howie roseman is going to make the right choice now. There's a new coaching staff in place. And maybe the pressure is on howie roseman to do things a little bit more by the book. These last few drafts. There have been some arrogance elections. No doubt about it Andrei i think when you went and traded up for andrea dillard. They didn't do their homework on the kind of player. That andrei diller off the field and I think you know the the issues with toughness. That i don't think they really fully investigated and then. Jj ethical whiteside the second round and then last year's draft obviously jalen reagor. There's still there's still time for jalen reagor to figure it out but he's certainly does not. Ed certainly looks like a missed opportunity with justin jefferson playing as well as he did in minnesota and not trading up to get ceedee lamb and then jalen hurts who they. Who like. we're gonna talk about this in just a second but guy. They spent a second round pick on last year. Second round pick on last year that they're still not sure it's gonna be there. They're they're starting quarterback next year. I mean twenty twenty one. Even though you know we're we're gonna talk about jalen hurts and just a second get a little bit more into that but you know it might be another season here. Were jalen hurts. Goes back to being your backup quarterback. In which case you've spent a second round pick on a team where you desperately need every single high pick you can get on a productive player and he becomes guy who never sees the field again so you just can't. You can't keep doing this year. In and year out but howie roseman has been doing unorthodox unconventional galaxy brain draft picks over these last few years. And i'm not convinced that's going to stop this year. And eight out of the last ten drafts. And brennan gotten has mentioned this. Both on for bleeding cremation dot com and on different podcasts. They've taken a lineman in the first round eight out of the last ten years. The only drafts in which they did not take a lineman offensive or defensive in the first round was carson wentz and last year with jalen reagor. Every other year they've built through the trenches they've built through the offensive and defensive lines and initially. I had this team going offensive line with the number twelve overall. Pick and i as. I sit here recording this. I'm still not sure who i think they're gonna take. I'm still not sure who. I'm going to mock them here at number twelve. So let's let's just talk this out a little bit. The offensive line is aging right. You've you've got aside from left tackle image of two young guys jordan. My lada and andre dillard likely to battle it out in training camp is all is. He's not older. And so he's he's got some years front of him adjacent kelsey and lane. johnson are both are both getting their brandon. Brooks is obviously getting older and has been a constant injury concern. They need some reinforcements on the offensive line. Some some good solid reinforcements on the offensive line. And this would be a spot to take. Somebody like elijah. Vera tucker offensive tackle from usc and most folks think he's gonna end up playing on the inside at the nfl level. He's not really gonna be an offensive tackle but in my heart of hearts. Initially i had them taking elijah vera. Tucker here but here you've got obvious needs at wide receiver to so jalen waddell. Devante smith are both still on the board here. Both of those guys. We've heard you know you. These guys have been talked about to alabama wide receivers jalen waddles a little bigger smith very very light guy. Very skinny guy both have. They're both have their negatives both have their positives. Devante smith looks like an amazing player. He was the best player on the field and the national championship game. and on the latest Radio bill and jimmy kamsky were talking him up. His his smarts are off the charts. Jalen waddles a bigger receiver. He can probably you probably don't have to worry about him quite so much. Getting jammed off the line like you would with devante smith but but both of those guys are not huge prototypical ceedee lamb type wide receivers jomar chase like wide receivers. And so there's a little risk involved with both jalen waddell and davante smith and this team has a lousy history of drafting wide receivers especially in recent years but really going back a long way. Really it's been nuts. Fred barnett and calvin williams says this team draft and to. Sean jackson is one of the few wide receivers. They've drafted. that has the early round receivers that have turned out to be worth the pick that they were taken with. So you've got both of those guys you've got jc horn. Who was the number. Two cornerback would be an excellent pick in this spot in another offensive tackle. This team could could take this bodice christian darah solve from from virginia tech. I mean there's there's a lot of good options here assault all as a really good pass blocker not so much in the run game but you know. The eagles aren't going to run the ball all that much. When when jeffrey lori is the owner of this team as well. So here's another guy that that could go here at at number twelve and i think really you could go with the number of needs here. I think we are underestimating. The needs of the offensive line. But also you also have to look at you know brandon brooks and lane johnson. They're not going anywhere anytime soon. And isaac malo you know. He'll eventually most likely be the center for this team. When jason kelsey retires which is probably going to be after this year and so you're going to need to get yourself another guard but you can get an offensive guard somewhere else in the draft right so while i think this team needs to look at wide receiver or cornerback. Here and i. I know that. I'm not alone in thinking that. Which of course means jalen waddell or devante smith or jc horn. Those are the three most likely guys the these they would fill the most likely areas of need for this team at this point which is which is why. There's a big part of me that wants to mock darussalam to the eagles in the spot. It just it feels like it feels like. That's exactly the kind of you know. We're not talking about the eagles. Taking an offensive lineman here and that would be the off the board wild and crazy type. Pick that howie. Roseman would make that would shock everybody because you could see if this board falls the way that i have at falling. They have their pick of jalen. Waddell devante smith or jc horn wide receiver. Wide receiver cornerback. And you're just gonna hear everybody talking about okay now. The eagles have their choice. They can pick. And you'll see the comparisons between waddell and smith who the who they choose between these two guys or you know. Jc horn is still sitting there again. Not as good as patrick's for tan but still a true first round. Cornerback something this team desperately needs. They desperately need somebody else on the other side of the field from from darius slay and so while i think the eagles i just torn. I don't know who the eagles are gonna take your knowing how he rose men's draft history. You know what. I'm gonna keep this simple. I was going to draft christian. Darah saw i was going to give. I was going to give the on. That's not who. I would wanna take. But i was thinking that's who they're going to take. I think howie roseman is reading the writing on the wall. I think he's i think he's seeing that maybe he needs to stop thinking things and the other thing to consider to. Here's you've got. You've got a new head coach in nick. Serianni who is obsessed with wide receivers. This guy is absolutely obsessed with wide receivers. He loves talking about wide receivers. He used coach wide receivers. He's he's a wide receivers guy. My guess is nick. Syrian is going to be pushing for one of these two wide receivers. Jalen waddell or devante smith so i maybe i was going to galaxy brain mock draft by giving them christian dera saul. I think i will. I will make it official. I will mock devante smith to the eagles at number twelve my level of confidence that this actually happens. Is it about ten percent. Okay i think. I think the odds are. I think the odds are very very good that the eagles will go with an offensive. Lineman here i just you know i wouldn't be wouldn't make anybody feel good. And maybe that's why you know we're just were so down on this team in the eagles have just an howie. Roseman has done one thing after another. That has just made you feel like this is. It's not gonna work. He's gonna make the wrong decision each and every time but let's not. Let's not do this. Mock draft with that negative attitude. I'm gonna give the eagles devante smith here at number twelve in the draft and that is the right pick. That's the pig howie roseman. Should make i still. There's a big part of me that thinks they're gonna take an offensive lineman here that number twelve even even if waddell and smith and j c horn are all there. But we'll see what happens in less than a week When the nfl draft could begins next thursday evening when we come back some some quick thoughts about the knicks news. Conference are calling it. The knicks serianni news conference. But obviously is a howie roseman. 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Jeff lori is gonna do that makes you feel good about any decision that they make right we i. It's just it's it's we're negative. We are in a very very negative place with this football team. And for a very good reason they have been making. They have continuously made one bad decision after another. So when nick syrian hold a news conference and he gets up there and he starts. He starts talking like a hyperactive. Six-year-old jacked up on kool aid and swizzle sticks. It's caused it it. It's kind of an immediate visceral cause for concern reaction right because he doesn't look and doesn't talk like a typical head. Coach would talk. He's not. It's not what we have become accustomed to with all those years. Andy reid and even even chip kelly. Who was who had a personality but he was. He was all coachspeak he wasn't it wasn't like this Doug peterson certainly wasn't like this knicks. Yanni was was hyperactive and enthusiastic. And that's how that's how we've seen him in each of his different news conferences and it's. I'm not sure that i would be able to deal with that kind of energy all the time. I mean you could hook up a car battery to syria and get him to run. Get him to run your car from from from the end of one block to another at. The man has no setting lower than eleven. It's everything's to eleven and that's fine for now right you know. He's not a season grizzled veteran head coach. And yeah he's taking an the the comment that he made. That has really opened a lot of is from the news conference. Was the paper. The rock paper scissors stuff where he was talking about. How they're able to judge a potential draftees level of competitiveness when they have to do so many virtual meetings and he's one of the things we do is our coaches have done is they've tried to get creative. And you know one of the things that they've done is play rock paper scissors with these guys and see how competitive they are and you know if they're losing rock paper scissors. How competitive do they get. And let's let's play cut for us. Just you can hear the whole cut in its proper context. And i'll tell you. I think some of you guys are wondering what we didn't go air shattering on these games right. I played a couple of them at rock. Paper scissors right. That was easy as that. Rock paper scissors. Let's see how competitive i'm competitive. I'm going to be talking trash trump. Did you talk trash back to me right jeopardy. There's different ways to do. It looks a lot of different ways. But our coaches got so creative with this like jeff. Stalin bryan johnson. Like they did just such aaron moorehead. They all did a great job. Right tracy rocker jeremiah. Washburn they all did a great job of just figuring out how they compete because everyone's compete looks a little different like if i get up there. I playing rock paper scissors. They got a little more creative than i did at time so it was awesome though because it did anything when you compete with somebody. That's competitive. They're gonna go at you no matter what no matter what game. You're playing so so again. Yes that sound you hear is my is my as my eyes rolling and scraping the top of my head as they do. So you know is was it kind of dumb and silly to challenge draftees. Two games of rock paper scissors to judge their competitiveness on zoom call. Yes i think it is and the comment itself was a little cringe-worthy especially because it again sounds like he's just some some hyperactive little kid and it doesn't really give you a ton of confidence that he knows what he's doing but it's also important to understand that these coaches are trying to figure out as much as they can about these players virtually without actually getting to meet a lot of these kids face to face and so i don't think this is really that big a deal. It's it's just a little and it's a little annoying it's a it's a little unsettling but it's not a deal breaker for serianni and frankly philadelphia is a city that wears a heart on its sleeve. That is emotional and if this guy is popular. He's going to. He's going to remind i mean if this guy is is successful if he wins football games he's going to remind you of meal and he's gonna remind you jon gruden because that's what he sounds like he sounds like gruden. I mean he sounds so much like gruden when you listen to them. I will say this about the rock paper scissors thing if they are using rock paper scissors to in any way. Make a decision about who they're going to draft the they need to have these decisions taken away from them. They need to be hit on the head with a tack hammer. Because that's a stupid thing like it shouldn't even factor into it like if you if you got me on zoom and i'm not a professional. I'm not a wannabe professional athlete. But it i you got me on zoom and told me to play rock paper scissors and i lose okay. I'm not losing my mind about that. And i think you can still be hyper competitive and compartmentalize. You know what you know. It's the people who dry there are people who drive me crazy and i it sounds like nixon is one of these types of people. Where if you're playing a game of cornhole at back at a barbecue. He won't stop playing. He won't let you stop playing until he wins right. He's gotta win every game. He's got to win every game. A cornhole or he's he's got to win. He's got to win every game uno you sit down to play. You know he's not gonna. We're not gonna stop playing. Because i i got a win. I'm to be and i'm going to trash talk you while we're playing cornhole like there's got to be an a lot of athletes are successful that way and that's fine if you're that way and maybe in the athletic world that's fine. I think that kind of thing drives people crazy. And i don't think that's necessarily a good personality trait. I'm not so sure you need that. From a potential. Drafty in order in order to pick them up. So i think one of the things we're dealing with here is with nick. His first impressions are really hard to shake right. I mean just ask for phillies manager. Gave kappler who was booed at the home opener in two thousand eighteen before his team ever took the field. Now it's important to note that he was not booth because of anything he said or because of anything he did or the way he looked. Although those things certainly philadelphia fans were looking at him a little bit with a side. Look right from the start but it was because of what he did on the field that resulted in him getting booed. Because doug peterson and charlie manual came. It crosses buffoonish before they actually went out on the field and proved that they knew what they were doing. So series run through a brick wall mantra his mania as some who would call it. I think it will work of this team wins. But he's he's he'll likely learned that there needs to be another setting to his personality. Like i don't think veteran players are gonna go for the all in all the time stuff unless it produces results and i do. I do agree with people who say that you just as long as he's genuine. That's the most important thing like players see fake a mile away and don't respond to fake. I do get that. But i also feel like if you're real and real annoying that players will tune you out just as quickly and i think. That's the danger in. Syria needs hyper competitiveness. That it could wear on his players and just and wear them out so far. We've only seen this new head coach in one color. Thus far highly. Energetic kinetic and buzzy. Either i just think. He's just a constant constant flurry of emotion. Like he does your minds me of my oldest son when he's when he's watching television. My oldest son cannot sit still and watch television when he watches his shows. He's jumping around all over the room and this could be like if we're watching something slow like a curious george or something. That's not a show like transformers where you're shooting re shooting things up. He's hopping all around the room. Jumping all over the place. I mean it's just it's just it's just. His way is energetic kinetic. That's just how little kids are there. Just they've got their their insides are just bubbling at all times. And that's kind of how nick serianni comes across. And maybe that's why he doesn't. He hasn't inspired a lot of confidence in the fan. Base is because maybe comes across as as childlike. But i'm going to hold my powder on that until we see the team. Play some football games and i do wanna play one other clip from this news conference that i thought was really interesting where he was talking about how. He evaluates potential college wide receivers and how they might do at the big level. Listen to so that's very interesting. They gotta get used to catch the ball and traffic and catching the ball bodies around them. Usually there's no bodies around right. They get open so much that they're right here and there's no bodies around him right and so now they're catching here. Boom the ball getting trying to get smacked. Their hands shook the camera or a little bit. I'm sorry but i'm excited. We're talking about us so it's just a different game and so it's it's finding its china. See how you're going to get them the football early on right because we've had in my past we've had some receivers that had some success early on because we we made an effort to say. Hey you might not be able to win it this yet but you can win at this. So here we go with. Nick serianni talking about i think very intelligently talking about how these wide receivers in college they're not used to getting jammed off the line and more importantly they're not used to making catches and traffic. They're not used to catching the ball over the middle and then immediately having their arm smack that says they have to hold onto the football right. those are. that's an important thing that you have to understand is like this is a different game and being this over these last couple of years with jalen rager and with jj ethical whiteside that it's different game playing in the nfl. You've got faster defensive. Lineman faster defensive backs linebackers. They're gonna make it hard on you. And so i thought that was an intelligent thing and that gets lost in some of the delivery so i think what i would encourage everyone listening if you have a problem with the way nick serianni kind of presents himself it may it may change. It may go away and winning on the field will make a charming and not annoying. It'll make it endearing and not worrisome and we really aren't gonna know that really until two thousand twenty two -cause nick. Serianni is not going to win a lot of football games here in two thousand twenty one it just could you know i. It's it's a very interesting situation. Nick serianni has been tainted by the failures of howie roseman. And this team over the last three years. Probably a little bit unfairly. And i don't think you can judge him with the rock paper scissors quote. That's all i'm going to say and we'll see how nick serianni actually does once. He gets his players on the field. Art folks that's going to do it for this edition of eye on the enemy. Don't forget as we are counting down the hours until the nfl draft bleeding green nation dot com is your place for the latest news. Rumors and notes on what's going on. You will give you the roundup. All the mock drafts going on out there so you can see where the industry has the eagles heading with the number twelve pick and again. We'll see if the eagles are gonna stick at number twelve. Move up down. Who knows what howie roseman is going to do with this. Pick and don't forget to check out all of the bleeding. Green nation dot com podcasts. That we have for you here. We are going to be deep diving into this. Nfl draft with all of the different shows that we have over this next week. So make sure you stick around for all of the previews and All of the post draft analysis. That'll be sure to come your way here on the bleeding green nation podcast feet. 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Cowboys Hoy: Listos para el NFL Draft 2021

Blogging the Boys

24:27 min | 10 months ago

Cowboys Hoy: Listos para el NFL Draft 2021

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AP Laboratory - Post-Super Bowl mock draft

Arrowhead Pride

1:03:36 hr | 7 months ago

AP Laboratory - Post-Super Bowl mock draft

"What's up everybody. Thanks for joining today. Money kids want the this is the ap laboratory and it's not a game preview dish Because the season's over in the chiefs lost the super bowl. But we're gonna we're gonna go ahead and try to forget all that today. It's the off season baby and we're going to kick things off with a mock draft. We're actually going to try to do a mock draft here on the arrowhead pride podcast channel once a month. So you're going to get one in february. You're gonna get one march and you're definitely going to get one in april. You might get to april. Frankly despite the chagrin of my pow craig's doubts. But i'm going to introduce my friend final on twitter at chief and carolina first. Because that's what i always do. I could have very easily transition craig. But that would just be. I think it's illegal mattie lane. What's good. I enjoy how to greet our great listeners. You have to remind them that they are coming off. One of the most heartbreaking nights that they've had recently so i think that's a good start instead of talking up how we just you know we were generous. We wanted to move up one extra spot in the draft. We wanted to share the glory of celebrating with a super bowl parade with another city. We just wanted to draft a little bit earlier instead of phrasing like that. You just had to all you guys got beat down the super bowl just a little bit ago now but hey it strategies i think everybody knows excited for draft season so i am happy that it's here. I'm happy that it's coming. It will help me forget that terrible terrible super bowl. That just happened. And kim said we are starting a mock draft. And this is quite possibly craig's favorite type of podcasts. Favorite absolute favorite. You guys. i'm not the mock machine at some of the other guys are appreciate them. I see them. I know you guys love him. I just it's it's not typically my bag but We're going to do it. Because lots of people love them and it will also make me forget that. It wasn't my quarterback that was rip roaring drunk coming off a boat earlier this week. I i really wished that was patrick. Mahomes that would've made me feel a lot better this week so i remind everyone about the chief super bowl loss and craig tells everyone that he doesn't want to do this. What a start for this fine program all right so of course this week you guys. We're gonna do it. We're going to a full. i mock. We did this in january. I said we're try to at once once a month. Probably twice in april because april is draft miss month. But we'll start first pick there is. We're not we're not gonna be weird. Trevor lawrence is the first pick in the draft for the jacksonville jaguars he goes to the fine organization that urban meyer is putting together. We're moving on just the way that was phrase should be redacted from this podcast entirely. Did you not hear the sarcasm. Or i don't think he's even worked sarcasm. Pick to all right mattie. We're going to go quarterback here. We are going to go quarterback here. We're going to act as if the new york jets are picking a quarterback. And i'm going to give you the choice of quarterback here you pick who you would like in this spot i to me. This second quarterback is really gonna come down to who wins the beating. So i think you're dealing with zach little sloppy y you adjusted fields out of ohio state. I just think it comes down to whichever guy does better the beat room for the new york jets. I think zack. Wilson probably shares a few more similarities. Sam darnold coming out in. Just you expect there to be a bigger plane gap from college to the nfl for those guys. That didn't work out for the jets so they'd go with the opposite. Take justin fields. who is essentially. He got his considered the leader person. Everybody loves right now. Give that safer floor just of personality. I really liked that one. I'm going to be back. And forth on fields wilson i think all the way up until the gad releases oh by the way the casey draft guide is a is available for preorder. Now i forgot to tell anybody go to gum. Dot co slash. Casey draft guide. Twenty-one Promo code lab l. a. b. and you can get the guide for eight dollars even just thought i'd let you guys know that. So there is a special code for you. We are going to have over three hundred pages. I believe again of chiefs draft content. It is a lot of fun. It's a labor of love but it's a fun project so make sure go to gum. Dot co slash. Casey draft guide. Twenty-one promo code lab l. a. b. Gets you it for eight dollars. It's really need to go and do that because he's got quarterback takes and the chiefs don't need one of those. Please go and read all of his quarterback takes. He loves this quarterback class. You have no idea guys undrafted. Free agent grades are going to wind up getting write ups in this back. It's okay. that's levine mahomes. All right pick number three. The miami dolphins are up and this is an interesting one. Let's operate as if they are rolling with to attack of allure. I think that's the move here. So craig what are you doing here. I think this is pretty cut and dry for me. I think it's dramatic chase. I know that a lot of people have been talking about devante smith. They need weapons for to to find out if he is the real deal or not. So i'm going with the best wide receiver in the class which is still jomar chase regardless of what devante smith just did this year. Take the bigger guy. This just awesome at everything that he does and profit. Mattie do you wanna cut back on march acer. do you want to move on. I think we just move on mir odd move all from her. But that's okay. Listen if houston is offering to shawn watson. Well then you know. Go right ahead miami. But if that's the case. then zack. wilson goes here to houston. I'm in a go ahead bing bing bing with the third pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft the miami dolphins select jomar chase wide receiver out of lsu formerly eight. Kansas football commits atlanta falcons. Search on the and i actually think this is relatively interesting. Thought ear. I kinda wanna go quarterback here. Boyce i i wanna give i wanna give the atlanta falcons a young quarterback prospect. They can cut bait with matt ryan and trade him in the next two years to one of these quarterback teams. Because here's one of the interesting things we keep talking about. How quarterback needy all these teams are going to be. It's not gonna be resolved next year. There's going to be a hot market again for quarterback in probably for another year or two after that trying to resolve all the issues that this group has these teams have. Why don't we just grab them quarterback and the top quarterback on the border right now is akwesasne. I would like to go. Zach wilson out of byu to the atlanta falcons eighty opposition. Here i think the only other option that you could do. If you're going quarterback is trey lance. It just depends on what type of offense or look into build i. I'm i love zach. Wilson's arm so this is no problem with me. Going back wilson. Wilson's clearly ahead of trae lands at this point time and we'll be for most teams and i would agree. I think this is the move you make. If you're lanta matt stafford just got traded for you can turn around and do symbol a similar trade next year with matt. Ryan traded off. Zack wilson. take over. They get a ton of sense team. That is on the just beginning. Kinda rebuild all right and you clear a ton of cap. Space by trading matt ryan. Next year makes perfect sense with the fourth. Pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft atlanta falcons select. Zack wilson the quarterback at byu. The bengals are on the clock. It feels like penny sewell. Does anyone even want to argue something else. Rent to the podium for pinhas rule. I think that's the move with the fifth. Pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft the cincinnati bengals select penny sewell the freak offensive tackle out of oregon. This is a massive human. being a young human being. He will be twenty years old on draft day. There's tons of there's tons of promise with this guy. A ball of clay to work with their in cincinnati to protect joe burrow and his blindside pick six is a little bit interesting the philadelphia eagles or on the clock d. You wanna go quarterback here. I want wanna go quarterback here. I almost want to assume that. He's been traded to one of the bears or the colts. Do we want to without assumption. We could. I just don't think that trae lance is worth the sixth overall pick in a draft. I don't think that he gives you enough of a player. Ready to step in right away. The gap they just took a quarterback and on day two last year it would be interesting to me to see them go from carson wentz to jalen hurts then into trey lance with the sixth overall. Pick so i would opt for getting them a weapon of subprime for whoever is the quarterback. Personally i agree with that sentiment and you've got three really good weapons here. Devante smith jalen model and pits. I think you could take any one of those guys and they would fit ridiculously well with jalen hurts. He played with two of those guys already. So i think which everyone you want there. That's the guy. Can i make an argument here. And it's starting. We're gonna probably talk about a little bit as this off. Season goes on. Are we sure the likes of devante. Smith jalen waddell are gonna wind up being drafted in the top ten. Are we sure that these smaller receivers a prototype receiver that does not get picked in the top. Ten very often is going to wind up going in the top ten. I want to argue for kyle pits. I'm time with that argument because it was the last time. A receiver under one hundred eighty pounds went in the first round was an ultra fast. It was hollywood. Brown was last one. He didn't go ahead and he didn't go top. If you look at it jalen waddell. Your comp would be like john ross going early on but for me and i think that makes more sense and divide smith going top ten the promise you look at the eagles wide receiver. They took that player in the first round last year. Which rigor so they would be looking for somebody. I would assume the compliment him. I was going to make the argument for As well because they do have an out on zach ertz contract right now so it's not like he would be fielding three tight ends at all times and you don't have to look much farther than the kansas city chiefs to see how you can use a tied into essentially be your go-to x wide receiver. Kyle pits gives you a similar kind of skill stat. Which is what i think. The eagles need the most. It doesn't matter where the position label is. Just get the player. Best at picking their downs with the six pick. Thousand twenty one. Nfl draft philadelphia. Eagles go kyle pits the tight end out of florida. All right the detroit. Kneecaps are picking here at seven mattie. There's a lot of different ways. I think this team could go. It's a weird. It's going to be a weird draft class for them. It kind of feels like they punted are looking more towards the future draft. Classes wouldn't be stunned to see them trade out here. we're not doing trades. Obviously in this draft. I could just see them. Trying to accumulate dra- draft assets for the future. But what are you. What are you like here. This is a this is a tricky spot because this team could use a lot of the guys that are available. I wouldn't rule out a quarterback. If it wasn't trae lance being the one that was out there i think jared goff's only good enough to buy you tie until you need to replace him. I mean he was just part of a trade but that would be the case. I just don't know if trae lance is a guy worth drafting this early. I we just talked about looking at wide receiver. What goes in the top ten. It's either size or speed. Jalen walla provides speed for a team that doesn't have a lot of the wide receiver position. Both of their starting wide receivers right now are becoming free agents. You assume kenny golladay comes back. But i don't know if they will also bring back more jones a pair of jalen waddell with kenny. Golladay gives jared goff some weapons to work with all nelson. Tj hopkinson there. But i mean you can convince me of mike. Parsons just as easily. That's what i was gonna say. That was the only argument i agree. I think i think it's probably should be waddle. Waddle probably makes the best case. Scenario for jared goff and this new offense but man. Mike parsons is ridiculously good. And they need defensive. Help i still. I think i'll go waddell though. Yeah i we just got done talking about these type of guys not going the top ten. I don't know if julian water will. But i'm i say we go here. I think it makes sense with the seventh pick. The detroit lions slept jalen waddell the very fast wide receiver out of alabama. Pick number eight carolina. Panthers i believe last time we put trae lance here. I am going to argue that. We continue to put trae lance here. I know mattie does not believe in trae lances talent this early. And i'm not sure i completely disagree. I believe that quarterbacks are going thirty. People are going to be swinging in for quarterbacks. I think that's an arguable. The talent and the ability is undeniably. There you are just coming in with a very limited information base with a guy and trae lance what the the traits are obvious. but man. there's really just not a sample size at all. Matty and if you're i'm i'm gonna ask you. Do you want to continue to try to go trains here or do you have a suggestion somewhere else. You would like to go. So i'm just going to provide you with my counter argument to this craig. Decide so what is joe. Brady do with this quarterbacks. What did he do. Joe burrow at lsu. He went empty. He got a bunch of guys out in routes. It was quick passing. It was using as many receivers in row as possible. Making quick decisions progressing through bolt orients. What s trae land not done in college. Those exactly exactly those things i think it is one of the worst. Fits in terms of the offense of mind in the quarterback. Play that said. How long has joe brady there. I do think trae. Lance would fit with that rule pretty well. I just don't know if. I agree with the meshing of the quarterback in offense of play mind so again just like i did the last pic- i am going to insert. Maybe mike parsons can replace them. Losing one of the best linebackers of the decade and leuke kelly. I buy real quick one quick counterpoint. To that joe. Brady a dummy. Joe brady candidate i believe he adapted a little bit for teddy bridgewater and i think he could build an offense for trailers. That's my only counterargument. I think that they are going to address the quarterback situation at some point this off season and i think that they're going to try and get one of these big name quarterbacks either in a trade in free agency they're going to try and make a splash veteran they did or have already tried and they don't don't wanna come off of this or they do kinda wanna come off of his pick for certain guys but teams have passed them up on that. I think they're going to go into the draft needing a quarterback and so. I think that they're just going to take the guy that's there. I agree with any and i agree with the brady argument. But i think that they're just gonna take the guy that's there because they have to have a behind teddy bridgewater i with the eighth pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft at carolina. Panthers select trae lance the quarterback out of north dakota state that the truth matters. I think this team probably does trade up. I i really do think this is the team that winds this is a team that goes in trade again same thing they tried to get matthew stafford who i think has shown that he can operate closer to what we've seen brady utilized before. And if they're willing to get rid of this. Pick to go get a quarterback. I wonder if that means they don't want who they think is going to be available for them. Or why would they be trading it away like if they assumed that if they love trait lance and he's the fourth quarterback if they thought they had a chance to get him. Why would they not keep this pick rather than try to sprint out there to trade for matthew stafford contract. That's my absolutely not process. That absolutely and i agree. I think with here. I think they trade up like they get to that situation. They're trying to sell the farm to go up and get a guy. Yeah that's i mean that's going to be. I think some teams are really operating a little bit scared. Frankly i think there is a panic to be ahead of the market in some capacity to so like. I don't know entirely if the behaviors of some of these teams are really reflective of what we're going to see For behavior with the draft. I think some teams are just trying to be ultra-aggressive to make sure that they secure some kind of quarterback and if it's a good one available grab all right. Denver broncos are up at nine. Everyone in their mom likes cornerback to them craig. I don't know if i could argue that. Yeah i can't either. I'm i'm taking the best guy. Here i think is patrick patrick ser tan out of alabama. They gotta have a cornerback and they got their choice of these. I think that a lot of broncos fans feel like they're just happy to catch either ser tan or farley. At this point they get to pick between the two in our mock today. Dallas cowboys at tain. Oh we're going patrick. Tam by the way. I don't know if i made it clear ninth pig. Denver broncos passer tan cornerback alabama. Yes that patrick ser tan his son. Matty the dallas cowboys there. They are also mocked. Cornerback a lot They could go offense of line. I still think there's a lot of places that they could address on the defensive side of the football. What do you like here for this team. It essentially if the cowboys it comes down to do you think tyron smith is gonna come back healthy next year or do you. Not because if you don't think so if you don't think you're going to get a full year or you think you're gonna get multiple full years at a time. Smith you take easily the second best offensive. Tackle on. Sean slater you plug a minute. Left tackle in you right off the sunset if you believe that tired smith is coming back to be as good as he. Was you go kaleb farley because you have no cornerbacks on your team. That are worth mentioning. So it's just all of internal evaluation of what's going to happen. Egg running the team lead on the position that you that you're having to replace the board poured position that has a guy that's proven to be hurt time and time again i will take your sean slater. Worst case scenario. You can play him at guard or center. If tyron smith does come back and is able to go with the tenth pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft dallas cowboys. Select ray sean slater. The offense tackle out of northwestern opted out of the twenty twenty season. Go watch him a chase young. You will be impressed. Pick number eleven. The new york giants A lot of a lot of Needs out there. They could go. They could go off ball linebacker they could go wide receiver. They could really. I mean trying to help try to help daniel jones. Here i think is a bad move. Devante smith still on the board. Eleven i believe is where the no the first receiver went off the board last year. I don't know i. I don't know if i hate. The idea of getting devante smith in the mixed diet can come on covered quick. I mean here's my thing. And i'm gonna say this about devante smell. I know where this is. I'm going to say this about devante smith now that we went to the senior bowl davante smith was there. He was standing on the sidelines. We got to look at that man. That man is thin. I realize he wasn't wearing pads or anything like that. But walking around next to the the rest of these receivers the rest of these players. That are on the sideline. He looked tiny. He did not weigh in at the senior bowl because he was afraid that that was going to be a talking point. There are too many. Gm's in this league that are way too hung up on measurable. Ask decay metcalf about that sometime. I mean devante. Smith is going to have a lot of gm's that are turned off by the fact that he ways that much especially the giants. So if i that's not a bad s not bad that this would be a very gettleman is would be a very gentleman. Anti-gang getaway would be lashed. Gm to go for the body. Type that demont smith and we all know what the most the most gilman take his right. Who's at can't michael. Parsons yeah. It's definitely mike parsons. And that's what i was gonna say. Their linebackers are awful. Michael parsons is a freak athlete at the linebacker position. They need help there. So i ain't blue chip player blue-chip player. I would make the argument for mike. Parsons there'd be quickly pay for essentially the same reasons of freak athlete. Huge need top ten type talent. But i find either way. You can pick whichever one i think. I i think gettleman likes michael. Parsons tape better than quality pace. Two thousand and twenty one. Nfl draft with the eleventh. Pick the new york. Giants like mike. Parsons the linebacker. Out of penn state pick twelve the san francisco forty niners. I mean there's a lot there's a lot of places the tot two cornerbacks are off the board. There's offense lineman galore. Here's an off the beaten path. One and i. I like this one for them. Elijah vera tucker. A guy with he might be a tackle. I think you could play tackle. I think he might be. I mean you could be really really really good interior player. He's undoubtedly a best five. I'm a big fan of his mattie. Talk me out of elijah. Vera tucker. It's a little bit early talk. Be out of them. Well the forty niners might be needing to replace richard sherman. They don't have a lot of depth at cornerback. I've no they got some good play out of jason garrett last year but how many times have we anticipate that man. Playing sixteen games going forward at this point. in time i see caitlin farley. Still sitting there see a very. He is still owned very athletic. Corner that if they want to continue to play that cover three type stuff would make a lot of sense to me with his ball skills and lengthy outside. I thought we thought we were to get rid of cable farley. You're right twenty twelve twenty. Twenty twenty one. Nfl draft san francisco. Forty niners take. Caleb party farley. The cornerback out of virginia tech freak of nature uber athletic very promising. Cover skills all right. Los angeles chargers picking thirteen. I feel like they gotta go off of linemen. I don't love the tackles the rest of the tackles. I don't think this early in this group. But i i think you got to address. Tackle your creek. I think so too. I don't hate samuel caused me out of texas. I think he's a good player. I do think it's a little bit early for him. But i also think that if they don't address it here they're going to be fairly safely dealing with the bottom of the second tier of tackles the next time that they come around. I think this is just kind of a a weighing the cost. And what you're going to see the next time around and just taking. Maybe the top of that second tier in sam caused me rather than taking the bottom of that second tier in you. Know maybe like a deliberations or james hudson or something like that and round two. I would argue for cost me. What do you think that looking at the charges. I think that offense of tackle is probably where. I'm living right now. If you had one of those corners sitting there still left around the lakes just took kenneth moore last year so i can't even suggest a linebacker i think so. I think offense tackles the way to go. If the chargers routine that were valued a little bit more physicality out of their offensive line. I can make a case for krish dare saw here. I really could given the way. The chargers look to be going with justin herbert with those weapons. I would just give me the guy that i think is the most kind of polished and best suited the translate as the past protected the next level. I think that's caused me out of the tackles that are left. Go ahead get your guy. Get your choice of this position so you don't have to take the leftovers around to all right. Angeles chargers picked thirteen twenty twenty one nfl draft. They select sam cosmi often to tackle out of texas pick fourteen. I really like offensive line here for the minnesota vikings as well. I don't know if it's too early. For elijah. Vera tucker. I don't know if you wanna look at christian dare saw here. I think it makes a lotta sense to go on the offensive line. I will also here. i will also here Quitting pay here as well. I think if you were going to give me a pool of quitting pay. Christian derozan analyzer. Various tackle tucker. I think those are the three guys. Look at craig. I want you to pick one of those. Three i think minnesota valuing a little more athleticism along their offensive line. This actually makes sense for darah. Saw i know that he he really was of half their this this year but they need help and he fits them from an athleticism standpoint. So i'm going garissa fourteenth. Take the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft minnesota vikings. Chris dare saw the offensive tackle out of virginia tech big quality athletic profile. Some effort questions. But we'll see if the vikings can get that out of them. I take fifteen. The new england patriots licking their wounds watching tom. Brady is devante smith in play here. Ivy their receivers are abysmal. just awful. there's the there's the sabin bella check connection. Does the false stop here for a devante smith mattie or you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna talk me somewhere else. I don't have a great feel on. What the patriots are going to do with out. I mean if mike parsons or a kyle pits were here. I think those are the two most common guys i've seen make it to the patriots. Everybody jumps on because it makes a ton of sense once. You remove those two. There's nothing that jumps out is buried new england tight pick. I think catching a devante smith this far down in the draft because of some potential size concerns do make sense. That team desperately needs some help it wide receiver and possible way. Smith doesn't fit the same old of inky. Larry or some other guys. They've tried which maybe will be a good thing because he might actually be able to get open on the football field fifteenth. Pick twenty twenty one. Nfl draft the new england patriots selective onta- smith wide receiver out of alabama. His fall ends pick sixteen the arizona cardinals on the clock. Who makes a ton of sense. Here i was gonna say quitting pay. But we'll see what you think. I was gonna say jaycee horn. Who seems not hate that like a cardinals wide receiver. They just let patrick peterson so unless they're planning to go attack a guy free agency they don't have a true number one guy this. I think this is about a good range for jc horn. And then cornerback. Depth falls off a cliff so if they are looking at a guy he's the guy i do sixteenth pick in the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft the arizona cardinals jc horn. The cornerback out of south carolina. Very grabby like notoriously grabby. That might need to get cleaned up a little bit. We're going to take a break. We're back with the second half of the first round right after this she. Donald squad tells the story of houston's first ever all at the homicide squad warmed in the nineteen seventies to face growing number of unsolved murders in their own community. None of us do what we're up against a story of five young officers torn between the neighborhoods that race them. I had a mexican flag on my disk and they told me a lieutenant mexican flag and the badges they war so my friends. 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He's coming from the big school. Stay like that but has been productive enough. I look at their two addresses currently have in cleveland farrell. Max crosby i wouldn't say either. One of them were spectacular. Pass rushers but rather all around defense events they are guys that are more based defensive. Ends that play the run. Well maybe provide some pass rush or you just getting more of the same with quitting pay. Would you look to add somebody. That's maybe a little bit more explosive. Say not even more exposed. That's the wrong way to say it just been more. Effective is a pass rusher in college. Like gregory russo. With his eight billion sax last year or aziza. Laurie who are a little bit more. Pass rush specialist. They are all around defense events. Mattie how's that drastic been going for him it's been great. It's nothing with the seventeenth. Pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft the oakland raiders quickly. Pay the edge out of michigan. Get my chief. Some offensive tackle helps dash pick eighteen. The miami dolphins are back on the clock. They have acquired jomar chase wide receiver out of lsu and now a minute. Throw it out there. You'll like it. You can still it right back territory too early. Throwing back return serve. I mean i think you still have to look if the entire goal is to help your quarterback who's struggling right. Now i would stick to the offensive side of the ball and i don't know of. I've loved what. I saw from the dolphins offensive line last year. I know they spit some pics on getting some guys in there. So maybe you don't have a desperate need to tackle but adding you've talked about elizaveta tucker come in. Maybe he's better at tackling someone. That's there maybe kicks bob jones or robert hunt. Maybe he does it but one of those to play guard. One can play tackle. I think that helps to along with the jamaa chase fake earlier. Yep we're doing. It relies very takihiro. Eighteenth pick twenty twenty one. Nfl draft miami dolphins select elijah vera. Tucker the offensive lineman out of usc. I am not calling them in interior offensive linemen quite yet. He still have hope from a tackle. He will be one of your best five in miami though. There's no doubt about it. Pick nineteen the washington. Football team is on the board. I do not like mac jones this high but it game of quarterback musical chairs. Some team will be desperate to acquire a quarterback is it. Is it washington craig. I may. I know that i hate that. I really legitimately. Hey you wanna stick to our principles and stick to our guns and just go somewhere else by all means. I mean but it makes sense. Though they don't have a guy they won a young guy to come in there and do that and that seems ironically like good washington football team. Ooh here's my question. You want a guy that's coming to come in. He's gonna protect the football he's gonna distribute. The ball was playmakers. He's going to get the ball out of his hands and he's gonna let us defense do the work and he's going to lean on a strong run aging like it makes sense and he's got terry mcchord. Yeah i mean. I hate i hate it too. I don't like it. I don't like it. Okay by counter. Do you know which wide receiver was second on targets for the washington football team last year. Is it the sims kid. Yeah camden a whopping forty two targets maiden how did forward your hands jack. Stevenson's do i maybe think we consider a rashad bateman or my other point is this is trying to pick anybody but mac joe around is ron rivera to continue running out there. Jonathan bostick it cole. Holcomb at linebacker after coming away from that carolina panthers football team. Do you take your strength and make it even better by giving yourself actual talented linebacker to you. Approved the wide receiver position. So that your mac jones level quarterback. You already have had someone to throw to you. Make to pick matt. I okay give me a jock out of notre dame jeremiah. woo-suk amora. yeah. I'm gonna quarterback every time because it's off our list here because his name so long just a guy that can cover a little bit linebacker. I think you're still progressing in terms of reading from inside the box which is give you have a strength. I think in our first mock draft took a cornerback jc horn. Who's now off the board. My entire goal was this is what your teams good at. Bake it even better. Because mac jones doesn't make you any better matt back jones at twenty here to the chicago bears back. They of course in went somehow a downgrade from what they already had all right. So and where do we go here. you could. I think you gotta go off into lie. I'm gonna throw a name out here that we're probably higher on than some people. Big kevin jenkins out of oklahoma state selfishly. I want him to be on the board for the chiefs at thirty one. I like his bill. I think he can be an outside guide inside guy. I think he I think he'd be a great fit in chicago. Frankly craig talked me out at seven jenkins here. I can't talk you out of it. Because i even though i want him to be there for the chiefs depict because i was kinda hoping that mock draft. We're working through. It was going to work out. Where the. Just take evan jenkins here. Haven't you learned nothing. Goes well for the chiefs and twenty twenty one ever with the twentieth. Pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft the chicago bears protect carson wentz with tevin jenkins the offensive lineman out of oklahoma state. Pick twenty one. Who's the quarterback for the indianapolis colts right now in this scenario. And why is it. Mac joads does it matter because whoever it as already as good as mac joan okay jacoby brusett stinks by point exactly i. Here's here's what i really. I'm going to tell you what i really wanna do. I really want our friend. Zach hicks to read this nba okay. Then you better take. Mac women's and i i honestly like in a game of make sense because they need a going to someone's going to have to bite. The bullet peek behind the curtain. Where goal is to make our friends. Mad during these mock drafts. I don't think. I don't think chris bowden would do this. So then take somebody would like gregory russo. Because you know the entire list of ballard's draft is the guy long okay. Fine yes or no two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft outback. Jones is just going to be a bit the rest of the show. Two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft pick gregory russo. The edge out of miami He would defensive. End ultra productive last year. Did not play in twenty twenty twenty thousand nine hundred a really really really strong year twenty second. Pick the tennessee. Titans are on the clock. They this is a spot where jones could provide an improvement quarterback. Oh my oh man manages trying to troy now okay. Oh plugging those play action. Epa numbers okay matthew. You're savage edge. You could go like joseph. Oh cy they. I mean you could. You could go josephus. i hear. I don't love it. I i like jalen phillips here. If i gotta go july it does it all depends on what the size or just appear speed and they played the three fours. Say either one. I think would work. Well as they tried everything across harold landry who is a little bit more speedy. They've tried cloudy. They tried fake visa. They tried everything and nothing is stuck so far. J. jerry phillips can drop a little bit more than people think too. Yeah i like jill phipps here twenty second pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft at tennessee. Titans take edge jalen phillips out of miami back to back me edge. Rusher off the board twenty three. The new york jets are on the clock. we think they've got to go find somebody To help them with justin fields. I think they need to get an offensive weapon and there are some good ones here. You got najji harass. You got rashad. Bateman terrorist marshall. You i mean you could go grab another tackle and just slap them on the right side. Opposite of mci becton. I wanna throw out nausea harris mattie and i want you to talk me off the ledge. I think this is the route we went last month. We did this. It makes sense. Because i mean they're essentially force-feeding the ball to interesting running backs right now so it would make a lot of sense to go ahead and put in there. I mean najji harris. He could help them on all three pigs or all three downs. Everything would go. Well i think it would go a long way in improving their offense. I i like this move for the jets twenty third pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft new york jets. Take naji harris the running back out of alabama an impressive physical specimen unbelievably impressive. Got to see him up close in mobile. This man i think has gotten better and better every single season natural pass catcher. I really am a fan of his twenty. Four th pick pittsburgh steelers. They need offensive line help. They need a quarterback. I don't know if you go mag jones ear It sounds like they're going to try to keep big ben around for one more season. What do you like your craig i like. I like offensive tackle. I think that if you're going to stick with ben rothlisberger you can't get him hurt again. I think that's kind of why they fell. Apart at the end of the year you've got jalen mayfield. Liam aiken burg and alex leatherwood here. I think all three of those guys are actually fairly good. Pick the guy that you can drop in right away. Isley mike berg i think so. We're talking. I think it might be. I can burke. Yeah yeah and. I think that he's comfortable protecting a. You know a kind of stouter quarterback in the backfield their book so yeah. I think that makes them soon. We'll do it. We'll go here with the With the with the twenty four th pick two thousand and twenty one. Nfl draft the pittsburgh steelers select liam aiken berg the offensive. Tackle out of notre dame. I think you know guys like jelly mayfield. I don't like as high as that. Alex leatherwood. I think you might wind up. Seen seen him inside. I think you can just drop them in there. He is he kind of is what he is. I don't know if there's a ton of ceiling to him. I picked twenty six cleveland or pick twenty twenty-five sorry the jacksonville jaguars are back on the board. They already have trevor lawrence. I wouldn't hate to see them. Investing in the offensive line here wouldn't hate to see them getting an offensive weapon to kind of go with their their young guy matt. Let's go mattie. What are you like here. What about some size at the wide receiver position. 'cause mean i think right now you're looking at somebody like a rashad. Bateman could come in. He could play x for you right away. I know they did just take viscous last year. They already have. Jj short but both of those guys played entirely different type of position shot. Bateman would i mean one of those guys is a kind of gadget. Slot played shnell. Dj shark is excellent deep threat. But that's kind of where it ends for the reliable pass catchers at. You're bringing in a new quarterback gag. You've got to protect them. But he's also got to have somewhere to throw. Bateman makes a lot of sense for what they're currently missing out of that wide receiver group. Go with it. Twenty fifth pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft the jacksonville. Jaguars select rashad wide receiver out of minnesota. Real fun at the catch point. I don't know if he comes uncovered cleanly as some other guys out there but give him a chance. Put a ball on him and he's gonna make play twenty six pick. Cleveland browns are on the clock. They're probably upset with the with the run on egis i would imagine matt looks like he has somebody. He's really excited to propose year for the cleveland browns. He has a look here. I have some fun pigs coming up here so for the browns. I was just thinking. I could use some linebacker help. I think they have nobody in that position right now. They've been investing in some other spots. And yes they would've loved to have another defensive end to put across her myles garrett. Actually you know what is. I talked myself through this. I've come up with a completely different pic. They do need some defensive line. Help they do need somebody else that matters on the interior. Give me alabama's christian bar to slam in their next the myles garrett let him going there on the inside they do seem to value some of the bigger school guys from time to time. I think he'd make a lot of sense for them. All right fine twenty-six pick in the two thousand twenty one nfl draft hoof. Cleveland browns select christian bar more the interior defensive lineman out of alabama and now. We've got the baltimore ravens on the clock. Maybe some edge maybe some offensive line help. They could really. I kind of wonder if this is a spot. Where you you you really add. Bolster that offensive line. you know. Throw name out that we all love. It's early and we don't know what the medicals are gonna look like for landon dickerson. But this might be the high end. This might be the. This might be this. The highest point of the land in dickerson conversation i would maybe counter with orlando brown is trying to get traded. Because he doesn't wanna play right tackle. So maybe you consider somebody that would play right tackle or guard. Brown stays around. I know were not as big a fans of him. But jalen mayfield. Fits the mold of baltimore. Ravens offensive linemen. He's a much better run blocker than he is passed protector. You don't really want him in space time. But if you let him just in a phone booth. he's pretty good. He will have a little bit of flexibility in that does give the option to move on from there. Very good right tackle. Currently you know what i don't hate. I don't hate it. I'm gonna argue it. Twenty-seven picking the two thousand and twenty one. Nfl draft the baltimore ravens. Select jalen mayfield. The offensive tackle out of michigan move. That will upset our friends at kicks off the new orleans saints are on the clock here at pick twenty eight. I mean matt. Jones baby match. Joe i mean are they bringing back james. Are they going to bring back. Bring back jay miss. If you listen. I listened to listen to i. Listen the tarez in charleston. The yeah They had a conversation. With sean payton. And i think that there was some interest there in In bring back janus literally the only time they tried to throw a real football pass in the playoffs. They use jameis winston. So you think that tells you everything you need to do. I think you could go. Best player available. Here i actually. I don't i think this is kind of where this is around. Were the board starts getting a little bit less interesting. I think there's a big pocket year here if this is home for you guys if i were to say the the saints could use another linebacker to play out there would you lean towards somebody that would be better in coverage or better in the box. Currently I would look for now. They have zack bond. Who's of playing a hybrid. Strong side defensive end role as a linebacker. Didn't get on the field a ton. Damore david davis. Who's had a late career resurgence. But he's not young and say he's getting older but he's kind of been there guy that's covered a little bit has guy that blitz a lot. I believe he was actually one of their better pressure pliers. Getting he blitzed a lot. And then you have. Alex aloni as of right now playing the weakside spots. Like there's clearly where you're going to get the most improvements on the weak side. So are you looking for a guy that'd be a little bit better than coverage a guy. It's better in the box. It allows davis move. Do we not like linebacker at all. And that's okay too. I'm just sitting here. Looking at zaven collins and at bolton i think i like better but he's a guy isn't quite as good coverages. David collinses for my opinion and we are lower on zaven collins. Oh you know zaven collins. They already have him in zack. Baun and frankly bond a little bit better okay. Do we want your nick. Bolton fun to go nick bolton here let's go nick bolton twenty eight th pick in the two thousand and twenty one fell draft the new orleans saints take linebacker nick bolton out of missouri. The green bay packers are on the clock at twenty nine. Oh man. I don't really know what to do with them here. I mean you could go. Maybe like terrorists marshall. That's kind of what i was thinking. Give aaron an actual weapon mean please. I'm tired of hearing. They have too much in their offensive. I mean honestly but like. How hard is it to upgrade over some of these guys though you know outside of devante do you have something else mattie you on your face. It's an interesting spot because there's a lot of guys out here. I think that makes some sense. No one that jumps out. Is the clear cut answer again. Like at the. I can barely even named the packers linebackers which is sad because we are in a group chat with our good friend. Jake and he's talking about the packers lot. And i still can't tell you. Their linebackers are susannah. Collins makes them a better team. It's just a matter of does that team value linebackers because they did it before they absolutely did not in the past. They're now moving on. Will they value a linebacker now or not. I mean you give them cadavers. Tony if you're just looking for a playmaker he operates. Near the line of scrimmage a little bit different this shane office. I mean you see the stuff that they get they do with you. Know like a deebo. Samuel out there. And i don't hate the area's tony idea. I don't know if i love the value here but let's let's do that. Let's let's have a little fun and we'll see. Maybe this'll make jake mad to with the twenty nine th pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft the green bay packers select. Qadir's tony the wide receiver offensive weapon out of florida. Buffalo bills. Got bopping arrowhead. Last time i felt good about a football game corner opposite. Trade avis white is a problem zaven collinsville in the board. Here i mean just add continued at length versatility and athleticism without linebacker group. They're losing matt. Milano collins can cover for for what it's worth he oh he can really could cover. He can cover. He might be the best coverage linebacker in the eye. It would be an interesting fit. And i do think teams think that they can put some pop in his hands. And maybe it'll make and this is me agreeing with you. They need to beat the chiefs. What's one way that they can try. And beat the chiefs but two hundred and sixty pound zaven collins opposite a travis kelsey and have him try and play physical and running coverage we hadn't seen let's play physical physical part of the problem. I have no true that you know this is a good coaching staff. Can they get the most out of this guy if they move on for ma'am of this pick makes a lot of sense. Yeah i would say the other way to beat the chiefs as we clearly saw to get some pressure and right now jerry hughes leading your team with four sacks on the year is probably not the best way to get pressure so you can have joseph asai as edged out of tax. It's a little bit bigger or zero jewelry. Who i think is a lot better. You just have to be okay with a two hundred forty pound. Pass rusher. That's even he's going to be about ten fifteen pounds lighter than jerry hughes when he came at tcu. I don't know if they want somebody that's smaller. Not like i would say those guys would be in the mix as well craig and letting you make the final pick. I'm picking saving but let's put them in the first bomb. The first round thirtieth pick two thousand and twenty one. Nfl draft the buffalo bills. Slick saving collins the linebacker tulsa who knows mattie they might try to rush him a little bit to actually some people were talking about it. I mean he's a ball of clay The chiefs are on the board after they got bopped. Continue your trend at thirty one. I want to help protect patrick. Lavon moms i like. Here's the thing. I've seen two very reputable sources. That have gone. Landon dickerson here recently. I wanna go lamb reading. But i also i think we owe it to kansas city to mix things up a little bit here and we have a lot of time to go in dickerson landed dickerson. Went thirty first to the cheese by dane. Burglar also are believe our pal matt miller went landon dickerson in the first round as well. I will just take this moment here. Real quick to say if the chiefs i would love for the chiefs draft to start with landon dickerson whether that's a thirty one. Whether that's like somewhere around forty and a trade back there's a lot of medical issues with him but man Football character and ability on the field. I he did drop him in the middle of your offensive line if he stays healthy. He's there for a long time. So let's mix things up a little bit. Boys were taken alex taking in dickerson off the board. Now gonna get a little creative here. I feel like you might be able to get some decent value along the offensive line in the second round. Was i'm looking at here. Whereas we do this. The offensive tackle tears right now. I think ends after two more guys. I think you have to more guys right now. Let's alex leatherwood it dylan reduced left in the tier offensive tackles now is that you have to take them now. They're not gonna make it around to. The question is is that tier is the last guy in that. Tier offense of lineman worth more than one of the biggest freak of nature rushing the passer and from an athletic standpoint out of penn state. and jason. momoa. I i would say you. Don't get around to you. Don't get playmaking dress around to. It simply doesn't happen if you are one. Like frank clark's production right now. If you were one that watched the chiefs play the buccaneers and said. Hey we aren't getting pressure ever that you wanna spend a first round pick on your address or you don't want to wait until pick sixty three and hope to catch somebody taken dense. Long athletic guy has had great college production. But when you throw on the tape every trait you want there. This is a guy you take a swing on and if you wanna get him you're going to have to get him at the end of round one and the other two guys that are kind of classed above him by a lot of people. Joseph ochiai is probably more of a rush sam for this chiefs defense. He played off ball two years ago. He kicked down to defensive end. He just not really a spags type. Guy could see a use for him. Plan linebacker early downs at russian on later downs. But that's a lot of manipulating for that guy. When you've got over there and z's loria has manages talked about. It's two hundred and forty pounds. He's an excellent pass rusher. He has tons of juice off the edge. But he's just not going to be that kind of base in hand in dirt lineup as a four i and being really effective likes bags. Once owa does all that stuff. I have condoned for defensive in first round and going hard at offensive line for the next couple rounds. I would be okay with over here. I'm okay with. Oh actually i actually kinda liked pick dead on the traits draft athletes to rush the passer early. Jason is fareed very much. undoubtedly that he's gonna he might be one of the biggest freaks we've ever seen at the edge position. Frankly seriously cannot wait to see how he tests so thirty first. Pick in the two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft the kansas city chiefs. Select jason momoa the edge out of penn state but what about the offensive line. We will throw everything at it from here on exactly right and we'll get there in a second. We gotta give these bombs in tampa somebody. I'm not bitter. I wanna give a mac. Jones just be petty. They're gonna need a quarterback. They're not going to do that with tom in his window so i actually think honestly i could see them just trying to settle the running back position maybe a little bit or maybe they wanna roll with playoff lenny. I don't know i could see. I just think they're going to try to swing for immediate impact. So how do you get immediate impact on this. Football team as teams window is closing essentially. It's probably one year left. What do you do here. Do you go and grab travis it. Tna running back here wool. If i'm not mistaken both of their defensive ends are technically free agents and now i know they've talked about trying to get everybody back to go forward again. Both jason pierre paul and shaq barrett. I think have stressed they would like to be back there. But you might not be able to bring both back. Maybe the money doesn't work out. So maybe you look as as a pass rusher year outside of that like. I don't know where you get the best. They could use an improvement or left. Tackle donovan smith. Always up and down here. And you're out but i don't know if you're going to get instant return on that investment for next year by taking a leatherwood or somebody like that that would be more for a year or two down the line so it all depends if you are going all in or not like even if you're going all in i don't know where you find incident improvement for this team. I would go edge just just to have numbers so insulate yourself knowing vet you have to move on from one of those guys in the near future. I wanna give them an edge. I don't like but i mean it fits the physical profile certain shaq barrett or jason's here. Paul even though is is a better player. Thirty to thirty second pick. Yeah good give them the player that we don't like as much thirty second pick tampa. Bay buccaneers select. Joseph cosi the edge out of texas that is it for the first round. Let's go ahead though and let's just let's go ahead and mock pick sixty three and that she was third round pick as well so we haven't gone are we edge. We could look at tackle but the tackle markets not particularly great for the chiefs down there sixty three. Let's look interior offensive line. I think that's a place that we could potentially help football team relatively quick throwing it. Like a josh meyers out there. It's not the sexiest name. freed humphry might still be around near the bottom of round two as we could be. The humphry might go a little bit before that. Though i think josh meyers more safely there. Sure matty what do you think. Yeah it it's hard. You just kind of have to see the tears both spots right now. Because i'm with you. I think that these are your offensive. Lineman are a little bit better. Probably the offense of tackles. I also think you're often tackle group after what we just talked about with. Whether would reduce it's going to be a lot more developmental guys now. A lotta guys ready to jump. In right away. I'd feel more comfortable taking josh meyers. Or creed humphry to and getting the more developmental guy at offensive tackle. Even if it's more important position in round three yeah let's go. Let's go here and Let's say josh meyers the interior offensive. Lineman out actually might be ninety four. Because i think the new england patriots have forfeited their third round picks. I believe that she's actually picking ninety fourth in the third round around picks. I believe that she's actually picking ninety. Four in the third round. What you guys want to do here. You wanna go wide receiver. I would like to. You'd like to go off and to tackle here. Yeah goff tackle here okay Let's think about this. I must of spencer brown out through james hudson out. i think those are two guys from developmental standpoint. I like i think both of those guys potentially could there. Maybe brady christianson i think. Yeah i think the spencer brown is probably going to be a little up on some people's boards for the nfl because of the size because of the athleticism but james hudson is equally as athletic. If not more so just not quite as big. You still need to add weight. Work this technique. But he's a guy. I on if the nfl's so the lower jackson carbon out of clemson because they think he might only be interior guy. I think he could. He could survive on an island outside of the nfl offensive tackle. You catch him at the end of day two. I think that'd be a great pick as well. i mean. those are just two of the guys that i'd beekeeping is out for okay. Real quick i. I like jackson carmen. The chiefs take jackson carmen at sixty three highfield. Mattie i feel fine with it just get talking about tiers of offense tackle. I would rather not take carmen. If there is a spencer brown brady christian james hudson and just some of those other guys sitting there as well. Because i think there's a good chance at one of those other guys would be able to get at the end of day two. i. I'm gonna go james hudson here. I like james hudson if we're talking about those three. I'm not as out on spencer brown. I just think he's got a lot of work to do. And like i think he got better in mobile as the week went on. He was really bad early. But like james hudson. I like his potential And we're going to go with him. This offense attack a lot of cincinnati in the third round of the kansas city chiefs so the chiefs They go jason they go josh meyers and they go. James hudson in this mock draft. That is it's for the ap laboratory mock draft. Thank you guys so much for listening. We went a little bit long craig's very upset about that but that's okay because sometimes we're just making oliver friends upset today. That's gonna do it for the show. Thank you guys so much for listening. We will catch you.

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NFL Mock Draft with Meatsauce and Leber - The Power Trip After Party

The Power Trip After Party

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NFL Mock Draft with Meatsauce and Leber - The Power Trip After Party

"What's happening sports fans meat sauce here. Welcome to the lieber meat sauce. Podcast all about the nfl draft. Ben how are you great sauce. I'm super excited for this man. So am i excited so pumped. I would do a mock draft on this podcast every day but this is going to be played back on sunday night at some point so abbott asked us if we would do it and i thought the best way to do that would be a mock draft because everybody loves a mock draft to me personally. I can't get enough of them. I tape every single sportscenter special everything. Nfl live. I just love it. It's the best way if you want to get into the draft literally figure out all the names of players that could be taken in the draft and the best part about it is. There's so many of them and there's so much time in between That when you get closer to the draft you start getting some crazy predictions like well okay. So we've already talked about the maybe the obvious. What are some of the not so obvious. And then you start to fantasize like wow if that could happen. Ooh that'd be kinda fun right. And i gotta take for this that i think could happen. Man i got something that i think is real greasy. That could happen in this upcoming draft. But we'll get to that. So i'm gonna draft the evens or i'm going to draft the odds you're gonna draft evens correct correct so obviously because i put a lot of effort into this. I have sounders with the first pick in our mock draft. The jacksonville jaguars. We'll obviously select trevor lawrence trevor. Lawrence was the number one pick two years ago. Trevor lawrence was basically the second. The season started after every team in that you cheered for if they loss you were going. Well who cares. Because trevor lawrence is going to be available and at one point when the or the wolves when the vikings were awful. We were all dreaming a trevor lawrence and purple and gold. Except he goes to the teal and black and he is the overall. Pick to jacksonville. Your quick buds. i don't know if maybe maybe what andrew luck. There's been a more confident. Scher fire number. One pick to the point where urban meyer has been rumored to already have given him. The playbook already talked about the scheme. They're already basically having preliminary. Ota type meetings about what their offense is gonna look like in what they like. And they don't like about the playbook and what suits him the best so it is a lock. It's going to be trebled. Yeah the second pick goes to the new york jets and they have one option one option only in that quarterback. So we'll get ben's take on that right now book. Oddly there seems to be a lock that zach. Wilson's going number two. I mean they basically said that. For two months now yeah. I don't necessarily think that that's the right play now. It might end up happening but in my film breakdown i. I don't think that he's the second best quarterback. I've said already with you that i think mack jones is your second best quarterback but then right behind him at to be is justin fields. I think that they go. And they opt with the more dynamic player in justin fields. If i were the new york jets i'm taking just. Yeah that is. You always say the best part of the draft which the day of ben and recording. This is two weeks away. The best part is that hasn't picked up steam yet. Everyone is still on these. Zack wilson train to the jets at two. But a ben lieber goes with justin fields at two. I have the forty niners and the forty niners moved from obviously twelve all the way up to three with miami. And it's off. It's one hundred percent for a quarterback in even with the way that this is laid out. I think the forty niners take mack jones. I think that's the guy they moved up for. I think that's the guy that they're absolutely in love with. I think when they moved up from twelve to three. It was one hundred percent for the alabama quarterback mack jones who was a stud all last year. As we've talked about it in the previous podcast. I don't know what people are missing on him if he went to. I wouldn't be shocked. But in our mock draft. The san francisco forty niners will select quarterback matt jones of alabama. Look the reason. I think that they that the jets didn't wanna go mack jones. Even though i have him as my second best quarterback is because they probably feel. And i know it's a whole new staff and robert las taken over but i'm gonna guess that with every change you kinda like the pendulum swings the other way mack. Jones probably to them feels a little bit. Like sam darnold in his in his just limited mobility and not the most athletic guy jones doesn't get enough credit for his the way he can move around the pocket that being said that's why i think they go with the more dynamic player and field so then that leaves shanahan with the guy that everybody's comparing him to kirk cousins and we all know that shanahan loves kirk cousins There are even rumors early. This offseason that would they actually make a push to trade for him. And what would it take in there and everybody prognosticate about what that would look like so that being said i agree with your pick that if you like kirk cousins. You're gonna like mac joan. I think that's the pick. The fourth overall pick is the atlanta falcons. Which is rumored. The hot of course is that they're going to make a trade. We don't trade in this mock draft so with the fourth pick. The atlanta falcons select. I agree with you. I think the falcons should probably trade. This pick they can't go quarterback at this point they could knowing that maybe they're gonna sit because matt ryan's contracts to fat and it seems like there's a huge cap hit for the next two years so unless you find a trade partner of the take on that financial hit. I think he is your quarterback. So you don't waste your pick on quarterback right now. They need an edge rusher desperately. I don't think this is where you take The top edge rusher defensive end they also need corner and i don't think they would be. I don't think it would be crazy if they took patrick 'certain with the number four pick. Wow you said that on monday when we did this. But patrick tan is the fourth overall. Pick to the atlanta falcons. Now in in the real world ben lieber. Do you think that they moved this pick. I do try desperately this. I think they move it to whoever wants to come up to get the fourth quarterback so we've had lawrence went number. One fields went to max jones win three and patrick ser. Tan goes Number four this in in our mock draft this is a dream scenario for the cincinnati bengals. They can go right. They can go left. Tackle and penny they could take rashad. Slater the offense environment or they have the pick of the litter in the wide receivers and tight ends. I think if it goes this way. I think the cincinnati bengals with the fifth overall. Pick take kyle pits. I've account could go anywhere from from four. He i don't think he gets past the fifth pick. I think if atlanta's stays. I think they could take kyle pits. Everybody loves cow pits. But in our scenario the cincinnati bengals tight. End out of florida kyle pits. And i don't think anybody in the country would say well. That's a reach. I mean this guy. This guy seems to be a match up nightmare. He oftentimes lined up as a number one route wide receiver on the outside and they had to match defenders had to match or defensive coordinator had a match corners on him and he was still winning. Some of those those battles and you know credit to cal trask. We've talked about him a little bit on the power morning show that he trusted him one of the guys that if he looked covered. I don't care. I'm just gonna throw it and pits would make him right so I think that's a day is a dynamic player that can play pretty much anywhere as far as a wide receiver tied in goes The six pick is the dolphins they went from three to twelve and then back up to six with their trade with the eagles at the six overall. Pick the miami dolphins select. The miami dolphins gambia static either way even even if the bengals chose to take jomar chase than they take maybe devante smith our or whoever they think is is the next second best guy i think they they They go right away. They don't waste any time. They take marches and add to The firepower and offense. Yeah the that's an amazing pick. And if he got to six everybody on on the nfl network espn ob just raving about how they went from three to twelve back up to six and probably still got their guy. Got a ton of draft Draft stock to move back to to twelve moved up to six. I think that'd be a home run. Pick for your miami. Dolphins the seventh overall pick is the detroit lions. And the way that this is fallen. There i mean. I i wrote one need. This team has down in its wide receiver and i think that the Detroit lions picked seven. I if this is the way it works out. They run to the podium. And take devante. Smith the alabama wide receiver. And they. Don't think twice the seventh overall. Pick to the lions devante smith wide receiver alabama. And i think people in detroit are pumped jared goff is pumped yet and that's You know looking at my team needs as well. It's like wide receiver wide receiver slot wide receiver. They don't have any they all they all left. I'm using so it. It makes the most sense. And i don't even care if If chase n smith are gone at this point maybe jalen waddell is is your seventh overall. Pick which might be a little bit of stretch but not for a team that needs help at every wide receiver correct The eighth overall pick as you. Ben that is the panthers. They have a bunch needs. Some might say they'd still take quarterback. There is a quarterback available after this draft went on fields mack jones. Patrick ser tan. Kyle pitched marches and davante smith. The eighth overall pick goes to the panthers. Boy this is an interesting one. Because yes they ha- they have a new quarterback and sam darnold You feel like you've got a new lease on life. You feel like you have to give this guy a little bit of a little bit of confidence and stability and not bring in a first round draft. Pick because zack. Wilson would look really nice right here. if you're the carolina panthers of saying here's a developmental guy that we don't have to press into action but also all of a sudden now. You've got your new quarterback looking over shoulder and is that really the best health for the team. I would say not so big cringe a little bit when they bypassed the quarterback and they take i believe the best offense alignment available. And i'm gonna say allies avera tucker good because he can play inside and outside back. Yeah and they need all that help so the the your first offensive. I'm in this draft. Taken is a elijah vera. Tucker do you think he's the first guy taken in the actual draft two weeks from today. It's penny civil rights. Yeah because of the everybody loves penny sewell. so allies avera tucker goes eighth overall. So these quarterbacks are moving down the board now if this is how it actually worked out the niner. Or excuse me. The broncos have the hottest pick in the draft because now that picks for sale and they've got the forty or excuse me they've got. Maybe the vikings calling maybe the patriots calling the bears and washington for sure but in this draft. The broncos stay put and because he's available. I think the broncos take jalen waddell. I just do. I think that they were in. Our draft was zack wilson available. Yeah i think. I think they i i think that they take. I think they make a move to get teddy bridgewater and you say what you want about teddy but i think they can maybe say hey we could get a year or two out of teddy and we can build this team and with a guy like jalen waddell who you and i've talked about if he stays healthy. He's the first wide receiver taken. I he goes to the broncos at nine jalen waddell. The wide receiver out of alabama goes nine to The the broncos your quick thought. Oh boy you surprised you with that one. Or and and i'm not saying that you don't make a compelling argument because you get a dynamic guy that can that can that can help you out right away that you don't have to call deep shots form the garden and get open. The drew lock or entirely or teddy. Teddy's throw the ball super deep down the field where you get a guy that's tremendous a yards after catch to make it even better right i. I don't i don't hate that. You have to really hit on the factor. They have to know in this scenario that they're going to get or maybe in this scenario they've already grabbed steady or they think that. Hey we can come back in the second round where we can get kyle and we can have kyle. Trask run. We were not gonna weed as you always say. We're not going to give up the. We're not gonna take the fourth best quarterback when we can take on our board. Maybe the number one wide receiver so the tenth pick now. Is the dallas cowboys. Well in in everybody else's mock draft Throughout the whole nation. They sir 'certain has been mocked to go to the cowboys because because he hasn't been selected before that in our draft. He's off the board. I still think that they go after. Cornerback a guy like pencil is sitting there. Even though they're offensive line used to be one of the best but they could use some some younger blood in there. I think this is a really compelling argument because if the if you think the number one corner is off the board and in this scenario you think pennies soules still available. They might bypass cornerback. They might bypass caleb farley take issue horn or jc horn. Yeah i think if our the cowboys. I'd go pennies and it's a great pick. I think they'd absolutely love it. I mean they. They didn't need a wide receiver last year. They took a wide receiver and ceedee lamb and now penny soule literally falls in their lap so the tenth overall pick penny sold. The offensive tackle from oregon is off the board. We have Three one two three four picks left until the vikings pick and that Eleventh overall pick. I think the is the new york giants. They added a lot on offense. They have a lot of guys on offense. That are very very good. I think they need a linebacker. And i think they take penn state linebacker. Mike parsons is your eleven overall. Pick to the new york. Giants your thoughts. I love that pick. Because he's a linebacker. And i think his head and shoulders above everybody else when it comes to the best the best linebacker available as far as inside linebackers. I mean you some of these guys. Are you know tip are. These are the linebackers they can be in a three or four in that same category but as far as inside. Linebackers micro parsons is the guy. The twelfth overall pick is the eagles they had the six pick they go back from six to twelve and here they are and they need a wide receiver. This one is a tough one for me because when you look at value and you look at guys that can that can go out there and play right away. I'm i'm looking at receiver here just like you said. But i'm conflicted. And i know people listening right now are going to be like lieber europe complete dumb ass. Yeah you you've got rashad. Bateman available Okay who i think is is a first round talent going number twelve to the eagles while that'd be awesome for him. I have a little bit of an infatuation with with With rondo more. The i love rhonda more and i feel like if you think that rondell more can be this hyper electric guide offense and give you some some Some steam on double airman on special teams and give you a little bit of juice. Their now you've got tremendous value out of the number one and number twelve pick. I this is our mock draft picks wherever you want. I know. And i'm really struggling. But i'm gonna go rondell more for the eagles at twelve. I think that everyone was shocked last year when they didn't take justin jefferson. Everyone was shocked. No one thought. Justin jefferson would be available for the vikings but then with the eagles picking in front of them and they always need wide receiver. I think either way rondell rashad. Bateman are a perfect scenario here and now we get to pick thirteen which i have. That is the san diego using the los angeles chargers and they run to the podium and they take rashaan slater. They can't believe or sean. Slater is available the offensive lineman from northwestern. They can't believe it they take rashaan Rashawn slater and they absolutely love it because they have to protect what they think is the their best quarterback. They've added a long time and here. We go the minnesota vikings ben. I'll let you pick. And then i'll pick are on the clock. It went like this. It went trevor. Lawrence went one fields to mac jones. Three patrick's are tan. The corner went four. The bengals took kyle pits. The dolphins took jim jabbar chase. The lions took devante smith. The panthers took Tucker the offensive guard tackles from usc. The broncos took jalen waddell sewell. Goes tend to the cowboys. Mike parsons linebacker. From penn state eleventh. Rondo more the wide receiver from purdue went twelve. The chargers just took rashaan slater the offensive lineman from northwestern and with the fourteenth overall pick minnesota. Vikings select look man. I mean you have this is this is interesting now. You spend the whole off season looking at free agent defensive players so are you gonna tell me that with the fourteenth pick. They're gonna they're gonna selected. Defensive player will quit. He pays available. Jalen phillips is available. Trayvon merrick is available number. He's the number one safety You've got another corner available because we don't know what's going on With the legal situation With jeff gladdy. But i think i have alex leatherwood. The offense alignment offensive. Tackle out of alabama as my number. Three offense alignment available. I think you take alex. Leatherwood the guard and the all american tackle from alabama. I think that's a great vic. And he's gaining a ton of steam. I think though if this is the situation where there's only excuse me where. There's only been three quarterbacks taken i think they take they either. There's only i think they. I think this is the situation at pick fourteen. I think they take zack. Wilson i think they knew i just i. I don't know why they wouldn't if the if it plays out like this and it probably won't but it's our mock draft not yours. I i think the minnesota vikings take sack wilson. I think they run to that podium. I've used the analogy fifty times. And they take zack wilson and they just they either find the notre dame tackle you trade up for in the second row that you could maybe get in the second round. There's the zach wilson's teammate. The the byu tackle that they may be go after and get. There's all kinds of guys that they could get. I think if a quarterback falls into their lap. You aren't high trae lance. I think if trae lance is there they take him i think. Zack wilson is there. They take him. And i think of justin fields can get past. I think they they have to take him. The cowboys are taking a quarterback the giants the eagles are your only spot that may take a quarterback and then You could fall there. There's going to be a quarterback that's gonna fall down to bake you been labor man. I i love that scenario. Listen i have. I have leatherwood. But if. Zack wilson is there. I would not hate that either. Because you don't expect to play in year one thank you. That's the ben. Lebron meat sauce. Mock draft podcast. We've back on. Monday will break down more of the positions and of course we will do another mock draft when the nfl draft is two weeks away. We'll do one monday before. Thank you very much for listening bye.

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Mock Draft Part II: The Darnold Factor, Denver QB Revisited | NFL Deep Dive

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Mock Draft Part II: The Darnold Factor, Denver QB Revisited | NFL Deep Dive

"The new season of fortnight's here did you play for night or know anything about it. You'll know that. The story line evolves with every season. And now it's better than ever whether you're playing battle royale daily. You're hopping in for special events. Party royal the island changes with every development that gets thrown at us and now the island has grown wild. So must you battle with wildlife and craft your weapons experience the zero crisis finale in game now and pick up season six battle. Pastor run wild across primitive landscapes with lara croft teen titans raven and agent jones go to fm dot gee-gee slash season. Six to see it all. Hello and welcome to the m cuvee monday morning. Nfl podcast. i'm your host gary gramling. I am joined by jenny. Brenta's of the weak side podcast jenny. How's it going. I'm doing great. Gary and we are joined by connor or of the weak side podcast connor. How's it going good. You kind of introduced the show you in january hanging out and then i imposed on this but well well. We started the first eight last week. Connor so i guess you know. Maybe that's what he was setting up Well yeah the the two of you are probably wondering why i called you in here on this sunday evening fired. No no but We're we're at part two the draft. And i wanna get into it like this as you know we are a podcast of laws and one of those laws is that when we do the mock draft series we do not undo picks from previous iterations. How now when we tape last week show and i will recap the first picks in case you missed the show if you missed the show. Shame on you. But i'll do you the favor and recap the top picks in the second. We are at pick nine with the broncos but pick eight to the panthers. Jenny and i gave them justin fields. We finish the show and a few hours later. The panthers treated for sam darnold now. Do we revisit that pick. I say no and frankly i think justin field falls to the panthers. I i don't think you can pencilling. Sam darnold as your sure. Fire quarterback in the future. So that's my take on it okay. So before the show started. I said that i was definitely in support. Redoing the pick. But you know what gary. I think you've changed my mind. I didn't realize that it was a law. You know. I knew that you said you didn't you didn't undo picks but now that i know it's a law i'm feeling a little bit more constrained by last week's pick you also lay out a good argument. Maybe they're not banking on. Sam darnold maybe the end up trading bridgewater. And it's darnold rookie. You know. I would say that the call is up to you gary. It's it's your show. Connor just guests brought it. Yeah connery you are. You're a juror in this. Jenny just made a terrible argument on behalf of our client. I did yeah i did. There's no reason to not change the pick because the circumstances have totally changed unless it is your turn and then you're going to just make the same pick again in which case we just going to have to move on like there's the were kind of vice-gripped into this but i think it's if i'm the panthers and i got sam darnold. I want just in fields. Because i've already picked up sym darnold's or promised. Pickup sim darnold's fifth year option. Although i guess you can promise a lot of things in the nfl not follow through on them but we're in life or in life. Yeah that's true Yeah i absolutely think this should be up for discussion Mostly because i'm almost done with the mock draft that i'm contractually obligated to complete and a different scenario so it's going to mess me up today on this podcast so too big it a lot easier for me if you've if you'd open the floor and redo the pick but don't don't do this on my accord i've clearly imposed already on the podcast. So let's let's walk it up to eight. Let's go through the first seven picks and then we have eight more picks to do. But we'll we'll recap the first eight year. Jaguars took trevor lawrence. The jets to exact wilson. The forty niners took trae lance. The falcons took penny soule that. That was the first of curveball. Here in our We'll call us a what they should do. Kind of mock draft. And then obviously if your team does not match up with what we have signed them you have a right to be upset So the falcons aga- to the offense tackle sewell. The bengals took an offense attack. Tackle sean slater. Dolphins took jomar chase. The lines took demonte smith and then the panthers and we gave the panthers justin fields and again look this sam darnold fifth year option is only guaranteed for injury right that that's still the rule with the new. Cba right correct I just i dunno are banking on. Sam darnold after the first three seasons that he put together here. I think he just justin fields. I guess i mean. I don't know and again this is just from one person you know but you know i. I didn't hear a lot of glowing things personally about justin fields during this process. That doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of other people and slash analytics to support the fact that he may be the second best quarterback in the draft behind trevor lawrence. I know quarterback has a better completion percentage to throws beyond his. I read than justin field. So that kind of knocks down some of the initial criticisms. He's a phenomenal athlete. So i think there's a lot to like about him but you know that's not things. I can personally vouch for so. I don't know if i if you're asking me. If i'm the gm of the panthers have teddy bridgewater. And sam darnold. That feels good enough to me. And i use that. Pick to to get something else i need. You know go ahead you know. I was just gonna say that the panthers were grasping for quarterback options this off season and it would make sense that they would try a lot of different things so one could be trading for darnold. The other could be drafting a quarterback the worst case scenario. Well now this is not the worst worst case scenarios. They both end up being bad quarterbacks and then you still have a quarterback One bad case scenario is that darnold plays really well and it's like oh well we just spend the pick on the field move. Justin fields for pick next Next offseason i. It's shaping up to be very weak Draft class in free agency class for quarterbacks and who knows. Maybe tom brady is retired. Maybe ben rothlisberger retired. There's probably going to be a need for quarterbacks next offseason justin fields had he stayed in school again might have been. Qb one in the twenty twenty two draft so I guess let's let's simply let's put it this way. I will officially open it up to To alternative for managers here. But let's talk about. Who would be they're not gonna take a receiver. Are our top. Two tackles are off the board a. They're not definitely not taking a receiver. But i would assume they're not Kyle pits probably the guy. If you're looking for the long awaited heir apparent to greg olsen there in carolina so he is and if either you want to want to throw another name here. I just think they're going offense defense in last year's draft so for our purposes to come down to kyle pits versus justin fields to me. The thing that's complicated about that right is you're saying that they're not gonna go receiver and kyle pits is not really a great blocker and he's probably going to play more accent slot than anything in the nfl. He's just going to be a big tight end. I don't think you know he's not going to me. I don't imagine him doing a lot of traditional tight. End things you know. So if receivers already crowded Then i don't think that that's a picky think value. Is you probably just take him. And figure it out if you're carolina and you move the pieces around because it would be phenomenal gift to to sam darnold. But i'm not. I don't know it's it's an interesting question. I mean you having fields. They're etched in stone already. Just sort of boxes us in a little bit. that's you know. I'm i'm i'm i'm very bothered by this hour annette. I have officially unmatched connor. How about that. He is asked. And you if you're ready to stand on the table for kyle pits. We can We can do it here and i do. Think pits is a better blocker than people. Give him credit for. I think he's so overwhelmingly. Good athletically that. I think that he's not a good blocker. But i think he's a passable and they will be able to play him in line at some point maybe not very early on but Pits versus fields. Will you will you blow this up. Conner will you. Swipe the draft card that was on its way in and replace it with your own. I you know. I i you know i. I don't know. I don't think pits gets this far a. b. I think that the panthers could a lot of help on the offensive line. I mean you have guys like elijah vera tucker christian dera saw you know a lot of these guys that i think might be somewhat interesting and worth mentioning there. Maybe tevin jenkins is a little bit too far down for the conversation here. But i don't know. I like that idea. I mean to me. You're building something and you're trying to make your offense work and you can bump cambering down because you just signed him right now. You're left tackle. 's camera thing you know. I think that there's probably some tea leaves to be read their. That's probably not one hundred percent part of the plan either in the long term. So i don't know. I i i opened. The i opened up the floor To to to all pex not just kyle pits and and just fields interesting. That pits still on the board in our mock draft was going on but now that i'm looking back at the other picks i mean i feel fine about all of them. I mean i was part of the process. Sal the to the tackles came off the board four or five. Which is kind of the twist for the panthers here true and you guys didn't do trades. No no no law. Okay so dare you clearly not a listener of the show. Although i didn't i didn't know the other law that you can't take you can't take picks off the board so all right then i'm okay with either one of those two i will. I will yield. And then i will take my i. I will take my rightful turn in in the next area here. I'm gonna let you guys kind of finish this off. And then i will enter the discussion with with the next series of picks jenny. You know what. Gary let's just stick with it with sick with just yet. I was going to say it. But i wanted to accept it and hear someone else say. You've you've converted me. carry feeling. Justin fields remains with the panthers in our mock draft. And that does it for our opening recap here and now we can start the show. We are running eight more teams. That's actually just the next eight picks in this one we don't have any Any do get teams at this point in the draft. Not until you get down to. I don't know what. Jaguars twenty five or something like that. Yeah dolphins and eighteen. oh i duplicate. But that's that's for part three so we are at. We're at the broncos at number nine and I guess this starts with the quarterback conversation again and for the purposes are mock draft. Mack jones is still on the board and the question is look do is mack jones smack jones's as his sort of i know draft season stock would suggest at this point or is he a guy that's just too much of a reach in the top ten here. That's a good question. I think that a lot of this fits because you know. I don't know i'm like right in front of me. For example like the sports info solutions college handbook which is great. I really liked that in the lead up to the draft and they had written a lot about how he sort of best suited for you know downhill or play action Offense which you could argue fits well with denver. And if you're just like reading the tea leaves. I mean you know mac. Jones was coached by a lot of the people on that staff You could probably imagine. Probably have close relationships. With the broncos the broncos have a very old entrenched coaching staff guys who've been around for early really long time and guys who are probably gonna have good relationships with you know sabin and his staff which are kind of kind of look similar and even now like you know. Doug marrone their bill o'brien's there they weren't there last year but it's not going to be hard for pat shurmur to reach out to those guys and remember to the broncos. Did a ton of work on on jerry jeudy last year so they were in tuscaloosa for a lot of this. They watched a lot of film. they're already prepared for a of this. George peyton did not go to mac. Jones's pro day skipped it to go to justin fields day. So read into that how you will. But i like mac junior. I have him going to the broncos in my mock draft. It makes sense to me i. I just don't think they could go into the season with drew. Lock that would be. That would be crazy to me. Especially if you're vic fangio to your three you've had two. Losing seasons are really signing up for another year of drew lock. Yeah and they haven't made any bold moves at the quarterback position this offseason so it does seem like it's setting up for a draft pick and that would seem to be in line with you know you make the change this offseason to having george peyton running football operations instead of john elway and it would make sense that you have sort of a a new person selecting the quarterback and you clearly have a need the position and they haven't done anything else to address it so it seems like this is the last route for them to go. The wanted some fix magic. Reportedly this offseason. it didn't get it The other position. They're probably looking at is our defensive side of the ball probably linebacker and cornerback or the other things that come up with this team but i continue to wonder about mack jones. I wonder about it until he wins his third or fourth super bowl. Whether he is just the i is he a style of quarterback. That just doesn't work as well in this league anymore. And i guess the pocket passer always works. We see it every year in the post season those are the guys who played deep in the postseason. But the guys who don't have that movement skill that ability to create their own time and space if they if they fail if they're not as sharp maneuvering in the pocket as as they have to be it. It's like they face plan worse than pretty much anyone at this point. But i'm a. I'm open and jones here. I'm not a mac jones guy. But i do think For the reasons connor lade out. It makes some sense here. I guess it would come down to like a mac jones versus mike. Parsons versus caleb farley. Patrick 'certain type debate in our pretend war room but Is it weird that exactly for the reasons that you said. He's a completely outdated prospect of. That's why he's perfect. For the broncos. Pat shurmur is going to be like. This is the kind of guy that we need on our team. Like that entire team screams outdated off you know and they got rid of the guy who was going to run the next gen offense and then they said. Now we don't want the kyle shanahan system anymore. We want that patch offense and so this is exactly why they would take that. Jones all makes complete and total sense to me. So we will have five quarterbacks in the top nine wow and the last time we had five quarterbacks in the first round was the twenty eighteen draft in that case there were four in the top ten i believe and then obviously lamar jackson went thirty second so this would be something i was looking at the broncos play action rates with drew. Lock on on saturday night and just weeping because they were really low. And because that's how. I was spending my saturday night but let's say i've seen how john weaving and the actual statistics themselves. So the broncos house the goes at nine are taking drew lock quarterback alabama and that kind of that might exit. Well we'll see we'll get to the end. That might exhaust the quarterbacks for our draft series here. You mean Gary you just said drew lock quarterback alabama ideally even google doc which is really impressive manguerones. He's name is mack. Jones jones rather than a recommitment ceremony to drew. Lock at that point but if somebody our wrote the wrong name on the draft card that would really be something would connor. Would we first round pick. That's how committed we are to drew. Lock we just our headline that would have to swap one of his special draft cards in on the way to the podium sleepers who routinely use their sleep number three sixty smart bad feature get all one hundred more hours quality sleep per year. I love my sleep number bed. My score is five. And i have never slept better in my life. Here's in quick tips for a good night's sleep consistency. Go to bed at the same time. Even on weekends you'll sleep better with a consistent. Sleep wake routine dim. 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Frederick zack martin. Tarrant smith thing which is going to go on forever Most of these guys are still there but they have some holes on the line but obviously they they had the receivers in place they They're paying quite a bit of money to the running back. They have their quarterback so he probably got. What cornerbacks i if you dan. Quinn is running that defense. Now and not that it's the classic seahawks style and ruin hazard twist on that now but if you're gonna have dan quinn on as your defensive coordinator you have to be able to generate a pass rush that four man With that four men rush. I like cornerback here. Their secondary was so bad last year. They've made some changes as all season. Obviously kiana neil dan quinn former draft pick from atlanta. They brought in. They drafted trevan digs in the second round last year. So perhaps he takes a step forward. But i think cornerback because the pack. I'm totally on board with that. I think patrick 'certain gce horn in one of those guys. That works for me that that makes a lotta sense because you know. The defense was just so unbelievably bad last year. And i think that picking one player there to make them. Marginally less bad is probably better than an offensive player that makes a good unit or a really good unit. Just a little bit better. You know if that makes sense although kyle pits still being on the board really is freaking me out a little bit as as it should And maybe they could They take kyle pick and out of second football on on every offensive snap and distributes all those guys that there they just. They just invested so much draft capital and and now cap space in their receivers and tight ends at this point. I i. they'd given blake jarwin that big contract since he had hurt last year. But yeah the caleb farley. There's rumors about some some some medical stuff with him. Does that knock him down. I think he was the top guy at the position coming in But i i think you're if we're talking cornerback probably talking farley versus patrick retain at this point it seems like you were leaning edge rusher. Yeah there's just no great edge rushers in this draft. Yeah there's there's some interesting guys. I think if you had your choice between a top line cornerback. An edge rusher in In this year's draft. I think you have to go with the with cornerback. I agree conard do you have. Do you have an opinion farley verses. 'certain i i think farley's healthy i'd go farley but i i don't know that the rumblings now in draft world i'm a i have a good patrick 'certain stat. If you wanna hear it. I do so last year. Quarterbacks targeting patrick 'certain had expected points added per game of negative fifteen point six. It's incredible it's really really good. I'm a. i'm a little bit jaded. Because i covered the jets when they made the dee milliner pick the of hydro highly drafted album cornerbacks. I think the camp view those things in a vacuum. I thought he was very good against good receivers and i think he's i think he's the guy that makes a lot of sense. Let's do it patrick's retain nfl bloodlines jones's loved that to the cowboys. Which brings us to the giants with the eleventh pick. Plenty of defense needs here. On top of that. Possibly often tackle again i mean. How long are they going to be able to. sort of. Lean on nate older. Who's been something of an underwhelming free agent edition there anyway so again. Our top two offensive tackles are off the board or the top to sort of consensus stop to in ensuing slater which kind of leaves the board open for a much of defensive guys or again. I don eban agra. Ms air kyle pitches probably better but will i don't know we'll We'll talk it out here. I don't know the dave gettleman factor here is so it just looms so large you know asking around. It seems like joe judge is gonna is gonna. Have you know a little bit more of a say in this. And he's got a really interesting direction In terms of very wants to take this. But you know. I don't know if the temptation is going to be there for dave gettleman to take another offensive linemen because it does two things it fits into his philosophy which he's been very steadfastly married to for a long time. Which is you know the big people you control the line of scrimmage and you know they're not going to be able to control the line of scrimmage with that offensive line this year. There's just no possible way. They're going to do that and so do you. Take someone like elijah. Vera tucker. Who's going to be. you know. Stand in for kevin zeitler and be that middle The mid line guy for a long time for you and it helps saquon. Barkley does something like that or does he do something out of character. There's still a lot of really good receivers. They're give any consideration to the fact that one of these guys that you could take these pass catching weapons. Even though you have a glut so to speak you're also taking it away from the eagles who are picking right behind you. You worried about that at all. Does that concern you. I don't know so. I think that there's a lot of play here. But gettleman is still cattleman and he. He does have a pattern in the way that he's operated over the years. Yeah i mean if the draft if our mock had gone differently and either sexual or slater was still on the board. You could see the giants going that direction but of course that is not the way that our draft has gone gary probably mucking things up so it is sort of impossible to notice that pits is still on the board and i know that's not the purpose of the show in a sense scary. It's supposed to be talking about their needs and matching them to the teams. So yeah i mean offensive. Line cornerback edge. But you know they need playmakers and they made a big splash. Receiver signing at free agent. But that's not to say you can't get another player. And i agree pitches better than ever ingram and ano- joe judge's mentors really going all in on the tight ends this offseason so maybe he'll follow suit. Pits is really interesting here. I think mike parsons is interesting as just sort of a doodle. Linebacker patrick graham. He certainly fits you know what you would want in sort of a petri style Let's do a lot of things well type of tablet defense here I will say conor the one thing with get them in fact during the eagles remember when he signed golden state of ago and just like gave the eagles a comp pick exchanged for that signing. I yeah i don't. I don't know i i wouldn't mind it all helping the eagles a little bit right down to it The one position. The giants don't draft in the first round ever right linebacker. Yeah the giants drafted first round linebacker since carl banks right. Yeah wasn't that are Lawrence yeah i remember one time i had to do some like random mock pick and i. There weren't a lot of great options on the board. And i was like maybe alec. Local tree is in the mix and i got skewered for it connor because of the fact that you just name exact thing for me and cj moseley because cj moseley at the chelsea piers draft event When you cover the giants you just run around to all those people and save. You talked to the giants. Have you talked to the giants. Have you talked to the giants. And he said yeah and they said that they want to draft me. So i said great and i wrote it and then everyone got really upset and the took odell beckham anyway so everything worked out. All right kyle pits. That's a curveball. Liked her balls do you though or did you just invite me onto the show. I've made a mess of it and just say to connor. Hey let's just not mentioned jenny. Were were doing the show. I was grinding my teeth. As i said i like curveballs. No do like herbals outcry. I'm okay yeah. I mean if they if he was there in some unbelievable scenario i i would guess that they would trip over themselves to turn this card in so yes all right. Let's let's do it. Kyle pits to the giants Only one more season of watching evan. Ingram half the ball bounce off his hands a little little too frequently Which brings us look at the eagles. I think the eagles ideally would Woodland kyle pits in their dream draft though they apparently don't think so it's it's a move down from six to twelve here but for the eagles. You're probably still looking at wide receivers and you're probably still looking at cornerback. That's been the case for like the last three years those two positions there And then and then tight end but if pisses off the board you're probably not going to see in their tight end go in the first round here yeah. Receiver is just such a dire need for them right now and if they are going to go forward with seeing jalen hurts could work this year or at least giving him a shot to to to prove himself then. You need to put players around him. But we've been saying this. In every other circumstances the last two years whence needs better players around him and gotta get receivers in. Why isn't this working out. So i i mean it just as you said gary it's been the perpetual question. Yeah i i think we're pinning ourselves a little bit too because we've taken of the three of of the three big receivers. We've kind of taken the two bigger bodied receivers off off the table. And so now. If you're the eagles right you're looking at a jalen. Rieger like waddle combination. Maybe and you know how much i mean. That's good you know but do you want a little bit more of a variation there in terms of you know body type and and really receiver type. I don't know if that matters to them at this point or if they just want guys we're going to get open but you know i don't know i i do love. Nothing makes me happier than complementary skill sets among receivers. I just think it's worse most magical things in the world but I do think jail models to. I think he's too talented to sort of pendulum. In as a stylistically does he fit. I think he is a guy that you just say. If we can't make them fit we have we have bigger issues than Than just filling out a receiver depth chart. That's true and if you're nick serianni you'd probably like go into the season not drawing up a bunch of fulcrum stuff you know full games good but you know you you just need a little. You need a little bit more. Because they're probably gonna trade soccer. It's during the draft to right so at some point you would imagine that that's going to happen so Getting targets back somewhere for jalen hurts is probably going to be something. You're going to have to do there. That's a lot of jalen though to hurts. Rieger and waddell pet is yeah. Is that a consideration for the everytime. Jalen like three people are going to turn around the locker room. And that's chaos communication issues. They'll have to work through that. Chip kelly would have never stood for this. We will give them jalen waddell at twelve to the eagles here which which brings us to the chargers and do they Do they continue to build around. Just in herbert on the offensive line. Do they Do they turn to the defense at some point. And and try and build up an aging unit at this point What do they do. Everybody yelled their ideas at the same time. january think. It'd be a strong consideration here. They've certainly added in free agency. But i think they could benefit from continuing to add in that draft. I agree. I mean really what you're looking to replace. Target wise is is basically hunter henry right which i think you could do in the second or the third round of the draft. You like you could find something comparable just to to help your offense but if you get someone like i don't know where they're whether looking but you know that that tackle spot that left tackle spot is a super glaring issue for them and something that they definitely need to get fixed. I think that's among the more glaring like need-based picks that team would need to make. That would make some sense here. I think you could even reach a little bit and and grab somebody the offensive tackle classes. Not that bad beyond the top. Two guys like. I do think that there's some decent talent there now. There is another glaring. need true. it's an unusually deep tackle classes. Here offense douglas. We just don't see that anymore. In the league. I i would be curious. Allies there tucker get shot at offensive tackle. I understand most teams have penciled minutes guard. So we're looking at here probably Someone in the dera saw Tevin jenkins type of mold here As as sort of a bigger bodied If you were pessimistic. You'd pencil them as right tackles i think especially now that the positions are kind of interchangeable anyway. Yeah i think that's fine. Going left tackle with someone like that. Yeah i like derek. hough he I think he works there In his entire career at virginia tech He only allowed ten pressures ten quarterback pressures over an entire collegiate career. That's pretty amazing. So i think just in herbert would appreciate that that. That's something that I think that's something he would like. I think so too. Let's give him. Ah let's let's give them christian. Darah saw virginia tech offense tackle to the chargers at thirteen real quick Part to recap here. We the broncos take jones had the cowboys taking patrick's retain The giants taking kyle pits. The eagles take jalen waddell and the chargers hate christian saw at thirteen. Which brings us to the vikings who Outta they they have all these draft picks they thousand draft picks In this in this draft. So i guess they can stand to roll the dice a little bit at the top here. We know they have tried to bring in that complementary edge rusher for a danielle hunter to play opposite him. That did not work out within gok way. And that's a that's there and they. I don't know just until the end of time they're going to be looking for offense of linemen In minnesota i think they. I think they have guys. You hold up. Pretty well as run blockers. Just they have so many guys on that line who cannot pass protect for any like ju just it's It's been a disaster for. I don't know the last decade so those are needs safety with anthony harris going away. You get someone to complement. Or maybe even long-term replaced harrison smith at this point Lots of lots of needs on the vikings all of a sudden. Yeah they have a lot of work to do. I think those two positions that you will outlined in the trenches on both sides. You know edge rusher. An often are the two glaring ones as well as you know adding to the need edge rusher is the uncertainty about the hunters future I guess unhappy with his contract and he's still coming off of the neck injury that sidelined him and twenty twenty. So i think that sort of adds to to the ne- there but as you said gary maybe it doesn't make sense to take an edge that high this year. It's an interesting. It's an interesting thought right. Like i don't know is it as bad as we're making it out to be Or you know. Is there some talent to be found there. I don't know if you're the vikings is there. Excitement factor essentially in the fact that you get to set the table here and you get your choice of every edge rusher in the draft. I don't i don't know if that's an attraction. But if you're mike zimmer who is so defensively focused and is going to steer everything that way anyway. If it's not something in the secondary. I think we would be asking ourselves probably a similar question about safety anyway. Right is is too early to take a safety that the minnesota loves layering cornerback. So maybe it's not too early to take a cornerback there. But i don't know. I think there's an attraction to the fact that maybe if it's not a phenomenal edge class you still get the one guy that you view is better than everybody else at the position. I think there's a couple of things we said. Here I just i don't know i i can't imagine going quarterbacking on although i guess jeff gladness issues with a domestic violence arrest I mean can they. Can they count on him ever playing football again. We're gonna find out When you're looking at the value of safeties in the league right now with swimming team's going cover to looks. It's the just the position so devalued at this point across the league and the edge guys again. I'm not crazy about any of the edge guys. You're probably looking at Greg russo jalen phillips and and quickly pay here at this point the one thing you would say about taking one of them in round one is obviously zimmer wants that complementary edge to kneel hundred that's why they went out and got gaag way the issue within gakugei even if he had a great year last year and and the vikings made the playoffs and all kind of worked out. You're gonna have to pay him more than the oh hunter and that just sort of rub salt in the wounds of neo hunter wanting the bigger contract anyway. We know the vikings are are not in great cap shape regardless so. It's almost like taking this first round edge rusher or if they like in the second round basically finding that coventry edge rusher in the draft gives you that excuse to say. Danielle hunter well. Yeah we got. We're not paying them more than you like. I'm sure they'll they'll do right by hunter on the contract anyway but it sort of takes a little bit at heat off of it if you get this guy in on the as as i always say artificially deflated rookie wage scale contract here. That's a lot of things to consider. Gary you said maybe a few things but it's a lot lot to chew on there. It is it is and this is this is a this is what they're doing minnesota as you all try to sleep or listen to a podcast or possibly both at the same time. If you listened to while you try to does off. So i i think it's down to like i don't know i don't know if either you have an opinion on on the top edge in this class. I think it's so. I'm open to arguments. Because again i think all these guys have their charms and their flaws. And that's just the way life is gonna go if it's not one of the guys you're probably talking your maybe you're talking allies avera tucker at this point and address the offense line here i just. I don't think they're going back to the secondary. At this point. I agree with that. Yeah i agree. My favorite edge player in the draft is is jalen phillips. But i think if you're looking for more of a stylistic fit it might be quickly pay. I mean that's who i have. The vikings taking in in my draft a mock drafts for a four game season this basically for pay and in two thousand twenty and he had seventeen hurries. Twenty-three quarterback hits over four games. That's pretty good. that's incredibly productive. And so i think that stands out. Everyone seemed to be going wild about pro day and that seemed to go while. So i don't know i think he makes some sense there but it it is what it is. You know if you don't see the positional value there. I could easily see them. Just going with the best player available you know. Let me Let me ask you this. I think the vikings develop those guys so well. I think they can look at this class and say well. Who's got the big upside. I is it jalen phillips who you know. He's a bit of a one year wonder top Top high school recruit almost walked away from football at one point after he left. Ucla and then reemerged ami this as a stud last season do they look at him and say this is the guy we can. We can mold into the best possible player. Because we've seen our staff do that before or do they. You know. I i think they go that over Necessarily production on the college level. That's a good point. That makes a lot of sense. File this under like super meaningless things but i i did find it interesting. That miami's defensive coordinator called him like the best player that he's coached like in his entire career. And i think he's i mean he's been coaching for like thirty five years or something like that. That guy and again. I mean that's what you say around this time in the draft of the try to get your player selected higher but it to be just an interesting thing to go out on a limb and tag on a guy. I do think that's interesting at least in again. And you're going to need. You're going to need high upside and you're gonna need it immediately in that division. You know you can't really afford to spend time developing a guy so maybe that makes sense. I do agree. I think that's a good point there. Let's do jalen phillips here to the vikings if there are no if there are no objections as the first edged guy off the board here in our mock draft exercise found good gary and that will bring us to the patriots. And as we've discussed were a podcast of laws we do not do trade ups in this. I mean i don't know you guys do. Radio hits we radio. That's all the time around the nation around the world and Everyone watching the patriots gonna do or the patriots gonna trade up And you just shrug your shoulders. And say i like the usually don't but if you look at their last four draught classes those haven't been very good draft classes and that's why they're in the position that they are in so gut feeling do the patriots. Treat up in this draft and try and get one of the quarterbacks my gut feeling is now interesting. What makes you think that just my gut i i don't know i. I'm just not sure that. I see them falling in love with the guy to do that for. I don't think conor will this see. This is the part of my process every year. When i'm filling out the mock draft that i'm trying to gauge. What jenny knows and very little honor what you should ascertain and when she has a take like this and i have the patriots taking quarterback it makes me extremely nervous and it makes me wanna rip up everything that i have written down so far because if you're not feeling it that i'm not now but you had you know different scenarios in this mock where we're at right now. Five have gone in the top nine right which is a lot a lot. Yeah and so in this scenario like i don't necessarily see them taking somebody as it's constructed if we're following if this is a real universe in this is something that's actually happening Maybe new england Tries to develop one of these second tier guys which were now hearing a lot about. You know there's some buzz for some of the kind of those second and third round guys that that might be available and it might be a good part of this class so Yeah i don't know beyond that if you're bell check. I don't know what you're necessarily looking for here. I mean you know. There's a lot of good linebackers in this class. They're still good wide receivers. If waddell went to the eagles here at twelve you still have a guy like maybe rishaad bateman that can help you round this out and turn this into a powerhouse. But to me it's like what was the point of going out and getting all these guys. If you're not going to have a quarterback that can stretch the field beyond cam. Newton provides you like to me. The offseason felt like it was setting itself up for another quarterback unless this. There's something that i was missing. Maybe about what cam. Newton could do on film last year all right well. The the the quarterbacks are thin. Here i i mean you're probably not going like a like a davis mills. Be the next. Yeah so if we're if we're stepping away from quarterback and And again in our exercise the top. Five or off the board at this point Do you do you chase. A we have killed farley on the boards you chase him as as a stefan gilmore heir-apparent. Make parsons very much. The patriots style mold as far as what he does at linebacker and they they never really go edge. Rusher tend to try and put those guys out on On day two. it hasn't worked terribly well. The last couple of years but That's a that's kind of their mo but To me to me. This is like farley versus parsons call. I'd go parsons here Just as guy really fits what they do in foxborough yeah. I think parsons is a good fit. I was going to stay that cornerback. A little bit of a wildcard just because how central it is to bell checks defense and the fact that this might be the last year with gilmore. but if if it's down to parsons versus farley. I think you're right in parsons being the pick there. And he's a very explosive player. That can you know they. They've been they need a difference maker. they need difference makers everywhere right as you know. They're trying to rebound from last season and persons. Is that player. Who just kind of makes an impact all over the field thing. That's of rentis consensus. Pick their then. Mike parsons nittany lion. I mean you know. Interets secondary connor at brings us to the final. Pick this show. Which is the cardinals at sixteen. I mean look. They need a quarterback. We just talk a little bit if go cornerback. They could probably use some reinforcements on the offensive line. There's also probably one of the teams we should. We should whisper this podcast land but but they do need running back. So y'all do they. Do they like one of these running. I did like a najji harris. Or travis t. n. Or one of those guys but quarterback and often the line probably feel like the most glaring needs at this point. You know what i think. Most glaring nita's it's wide receiver and let me tell you. Why not not a single. Like all the other units are so bad or average that drafting one player at any of these positions is not going to turn them into a special team or fix any of their problems. But drafting one of these guys out of the generational receiver class and making him. Your number four guy and increasing the amount of time that you're able to go four wide. They do it thirty five percent of the time which is way more than anybody else in the league already. But why not do it all the dang time and make yourself impossible to stop and just outscore everybody else in the division and then and then turn your game over to the pass rushers that you got in the off season. You still have chandler jones. You've jj watt to me. Like that would be the situation where i would pound the table for another one of these wide. Receivers make it. So you're just averaging thirty five points a game and and try to push the table that way because you take one average offensive linemen in the middle of this round and it's not gonna make offensive line that much better. You take one cornerback. To try to replace patrick peterson. And it's gonna take him a lot of tight. Know when's the last time may be outside of lattimore that we've seen Denzel word were first year in place to a level where he earns that first round that theoretical round pick status but receivers. I mean you know. I don't know i love that. You make yourself so ridiculously strong. That christian kirker andy isabella's number four ride receiver. And they're all on the field at the same time conner that's a pretty compelling argument still sticking with corner earth calls but i i really liked lay that out just such an acute need at that position with patrick peterson. Gone and there were there sitting in the draft. They should be able to get say the second best corner on the board potentially and that's how it's shaking out in our mock. At least and so i think that would be a really good outcome for them. It is a great point though by connor and and the the that offense is basically a bunch of do trung ice routes they. They don't really create a whole lot of opportunities for receivers to sort of get schemed open so need great receivers. Who can win one on one. That said i would rather take a cornerback here. I think they should receive around two. I think does she do a day too. But i think here they go. Cornerback you guys just ruining. But that's okay. I see i see the floor cable. Farley johnny soundgarden kayla farley and that that does it for a for part. Two of our of vermont draft series. Here do a a very fast. Recap of the sixteen picks so far and then you can You can tune in next week. And and get the penultimate episode of the series number one. Jaguars trevor lawrence at to the exact wilson. Three four nine or say. Trae lance for the falcons take penny sewell. The oriental offensive. Tackle at five. The bengals take sean slater. I don't know why pronounce rashawn let me that one more time shelby at five the bengals take rashawn. Slater northwestern offensive tackle six dolphins. Take your mark chase. Lions take demonte smith at seven panthers settle on justin fields with the eighth pick after a a long drawn out. Debate there and number nine. The broncos take mack jones cowboys at ten take. Patrick's attend the second eleven giant state. Kyle pits twelve eagles to jalen waddell. Thirteen charges take christian. Dera saw fourteen. The vikings take jalen phillips fifteen. The patriots take. Mike parsons at sixteen. The cardinals caleb farley. The cornerback from virginia. Tech jenny connor. We'll do this again next week. And then one more week after that and then we'll have a mock draft. Sounds great gary. This has been really fun. Then after this we can mock draft the best mock draft picks that didn't make it into this mock draft. It'll be great to plan. I think that's apple. Absolutely just content creating context. You guys. Have your your mock drafts. Connors is going to be out this week on tuesday. Jenny's i think is a week from tuesday and it's just going to be mock draft chaos. So many mock drafts. You'll you'll just hate mock drafts by the time it's all said and done but if you did we could stop doing so really actually hate you know what i mean. I got really close to the microphone. There which i wasn't supposed to do but you know if you if you really do. Stop liking them then. We won't do them as much you know but but if you like them then we're going to do so advice connor. It's up to you guys out there. That is wise words to wrap up part. Two of the mock draft series. The cuny monday morning. nfl podcasts. Is jenny renta's connor or me. Gary grant we are produced by shelby. Royston is executive producer. Podcasts is scott. Brody marei is america's editor at the. Mtv is the founder of the mtv nfl podcasts. Be sure to subscribe to feed as well as feeds for the weakside podcasts. In the albert freer show there all for free on apple podcasts. And what she's subscribe. Please leave a rating and review all them. It really does help. Other people find the shows which are also available on spotify rea- com stitcher dot com. And wherever else. You listen to podcasts.

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AP Draft Show 2021 - Episode 9

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AP Draft Show 2021 - Episode 9

"Of very mary draft miss to all of you. Thank you for joining us today. My name's ken swanson. This is the ap draft show a little bit over a week out from draft myths. Can the kansas city chiefs are very close to adding eight seven nine. We don't know how many players depends on what feeling where he trades up But the chiefs are on the verge of evading a bunch of players to this football team hopefully to make them better in pursuits of another world championship. A lot to talk about today and here. They'll be do it. Or my dear pals. And i find him on twitter at jake. Morley jake so close to draft miss. How you feel in. I am reenergized. I am ready. I am on social media looking at all. The hot takes right now. I just think everything we re right now on. Twitter is just so fascinating so accurate that i think every aaron. We've talked about the line six months thrown out the window. You only need to listen to people the last ten days before the draft. That's my new energy. I this is the new. That's the new rule. Don't listen to anything until we are within striking distance of the draft in it. Take it as gospel. Speaking of gospel bring the bring the good word to us. Mr craig scott mr craig. Stout highfield i. I'm feeling pretty good. I'm watching Mark davis in the raiders. Trying to divert from the terrible draft class. They're about to have in real time right now. So that's kind of fun but yes jacobs right. There are all kinds of rumors and hot takes out there right now. We are going to cover. Some of those and one of the guys is going to cover it with us. My pal matthew lane at chief and carolina buddy. How you doing tonight. Don't pretty good. I'm i'm happy that we are getting closer and closer to the draft. I am i have not been following. All the heartaches i have not particularly been heavily involved the social media that much the last week just trying to take a step back from all the draft stuff until i think once we get through this weekend. It's time to really tune in. Because i think that's when you stop getting as many smokescreens some people start to get some info but with that in mind. I think there are a lot of rumors coming out right now. There's a lot of a quote unquote new information. That's all of a sudden being divulged to us in mass. So let's run through some of it. Okay you wanna get back in you. Yeah because i need to be clear. All the people nakas craig. And i were joking. Don't list is that into this stuff. That's happening before the draft. And then nath you just comes in. Yeah i'm not doing that. Because i'm too busy having productive matter day over here and i'm not listening to the draft so we're going to get into the crazy stuff that we're here right now and we're actually. I think what we have the the matter day. Bs meter going on today. That the official name of of what. We're going to use all right craig. You got to cut everything up until the matter day part. We don't need everything else. Jake said about joking before that. Just got it out. Yep got it. Got it buddy on it. I am very disappointed in jake. I've got a problem. I love you. Don't listen look jake. Professional podcast now. He's doing three a week right now and i've come to find him to be at transitions and he got done. Starting got done talking about the gospel and had matt matthews name right. There could have gone to the gospel of matthew and no he goes talking speaking speaking of the gospel. Craig matthew mark luke and frank. I'm sorry i just. I thought that would have been in the league transition and it would have been fine if you'd gun. I'm just as anyway brought us back to the transition from four minutes ago and explain to us. i really needed to get that out there into the universe. Bless you okay we have. We have some rumors out there. That are buzz and things that are out there. We're going to. I guess we're gonna turn it into the matthew lane. Bs meter and go through some of these. Some of these will ask matthew and see. were curious what. I'm curious what the meter looks like. Are there ski. Is it a scale or their ranges. I can't wait to see where that goes with that. Frankly so let's start with the first one. A lot of buzz recently about joe. Try on the defensive end out of washington. I'm really excited. Actually that he's kind of gets the bus because he's not a guy. We've really spent a lot of time talking about but joe try on a lot of people think he's going early. There are some top twenty buzz. There is some very definitive first round buzz. Benjamin albright tweeted out that someone in the nfl laughed. At the idea of joe. Trion being there in the forties. I think this is very clearly a guy that could potentially be played for the chiefs. And i'm excited that we're talking about him today. Because he does all of the the profile of a steve spaniel defensive end. And i think he's a guy he's one of those guys with the with the with the profile with the athletic profile and some mystery about him because he did opt out for the twenty twenty season he had a very productive Redshirt sophomore year and twenty nineteen. The last time we saw him he was very productive. There's still a lot of growth for this guy. Think matti and i think he's a guy that the nfl's going to have better insights about him than we are. But i feel good that we have him in our top thirty in the casey draft guide. Just looking at joe trial and on paper six five. Two hundred and sixty pounds quality explosion ran fast. Good agility is not great. it's a profile at a pass rushing position that the nfl is usually very intrigued by you combined. That with him. Being a younger player doesn't have a ton of experience played for a washington. Huskies defense which doesn't really do defensive lineman or pass rushers a lot of favors and he still found a way to make an impact in specific games in certain situations. I absolutely by the at least one team in the. Nfl is very intrigued by what he's bringing. I don't know if i think he's marcus. Davenport level of early draft. Pick which i think is one of the rumors floating around right now but to see joe trion going the first round. I don't think what shocked me at all and kind of going back to what we lead with this. Yeah i think him going top forty would be less surprising than him going outside of the top forty just because when you're talking about edge rusher the. Nfl is not afraid to take developmental guys. In fact that's the majority of the guys they take that position take athletes. Teach them how to actually rush the passer and he's definitely one of the better candidates for that. Yeah two things about try on. And i think the market's down four stuff is is interesting at least because just trying to think back to when he was coming out his trajectory was kinda similar where he was kinda that guy that was maybe outside of the first round and then picked up a ton of steam heading up to the draft Ended up go top twenty In this draft class with this edge this edge class. It's kind of a mixed bag of what you like. And there's not really a cut your top five guy who's the chase young in this draft class. Who is the bosa bradley. Chubb any of that stuff. There's not really a guy and so you look at the top guys in the quinny. Pays the jason. As the those types the phillips even russo have been mentioned as round will guys no one's really talked about triumph at all and now here we kinda come full circle and he could very well be top twenty picks so it sounds to me before we get to the gospel of craig that it sounds like a lot of us are kind of buying this rumor. How we feel about that. I think of buying this rumor. I mean i can absolutely like you said there. You pick your poison. You find a team that wants a specific fit there. And you've got aziza. Jalal greg russo and joe tryon on the board you can look at russo and say well. He hasn't played in a year. I don't know if i love the exactly the explosion. His athletic profile look at oj lori and use a little light. He might be a little bit more of a three four outside linebacker. Try on might be your fit. He's got the athletic profile to be productive. He's got the length he's got binned. He's got a lot of the things that defensive coordinators really like as a four three defensive end he makes a lot of sense to me as a first round player and it reflects i mean. He's top thirty in the casey draft. Guide a guy that we really liked but haven't talked a ton about because there's a bunch of other edges that are kind of in that range. Get all the buzz. I think this might be a situation where maybe some of the nfl media is starting to catch up to where nfl teams have had. Try on their list all along. He just didn't have the buzz from the media before. Now let's punch this one under the scale people all right. The bs reading for this on says this is the bs. Equivalent of saying travis. Kelsey is the best tight end in the. Nfl has down wait. I'm confused no. It's not yes. I i picked up what he was putting down stop. Bsn yes we you said i got it. You said he is the best rest. There's no there's no bs again. It's confusing all right all right terrorist marshall tears. Marshall can we get the beating a lumps again. That was good. Can we run through that one more time matthew. Well we'll get him on this on this next scale reading overuse the scale. Jake already broke your brain. I don't wanna pick the scale to spare. I just love how nothing about. Matty can be uncomplicated. It all requires all requires explanation at all times always. I thought it was pretty stairs. Marsh if you made me do math. That would have been even funnier back to terrorist. Marshall can i transition tears. He's he's getting a lot around one love right now and i think there's some people are he's of. He's picking up some steam here. He's got some people very strong for him. The last couple of days out on social media jake. Are you buying terrorists. Marshall round one love i it would depend. How many receivers come up with more. Does that mean that we're hearing that a lottery river coming up the board and around one similar to how it was last year where a bunch of guys flew off the board that maybe we didn't expect to come aboard a quick because if that happens again sure why not i mean. He's got all the tools in the toolbox right. He's got everything you would possibly want out diverse a receiver athletically. And it's interesting because some of this stuff kind of does come full circle if you go back to the end of the college. Football season terrorist. Marshall was kind of considered a first round type guy go through the entire process. He has a really done anything to hurt that. He tested out of the gym. Why why should he be. Why shouldn t be considered a first-round guy. So i'm yeah i would buy this. I'll i really would. I think it wouldn't surprise me. At all to see him sneak into the end of round one maybe kansas city terrace marshalls six foot. Three two hundred and five pound wide receiver. That runs a cell four. Get it. you're building player. That goes in the first round. It's tears marshall good explosive. He didn't do his agility. And i think we all know why but good explosion is testing. You even look at him. He's a big body guide. Wins it the catch point but clearly has the ability to stretch the field. I would not like to take him in the first round. I don't i think he's got some major flaws. And i think part of what set him back a little bit from the first week of this college until now is opting out right before he played alabama toughest competition of the year having some concentration jobs. A lot of people were digging his effort early through the season after the first week or two like he has done some things. That baby don't translate directly do is play on the field that just make you have a few more questions. I don't love the receiver prospect. Personally i think he has the same issues that a lot of lanky catch point. Receivers have had transitioning from college. The nfl your dachshunds guys of that. Mold icy a lot of the same issues. I think he's way too much of a finesse player for size. That said the nfl consistently draft guys. That are fast and that are big very early unless your name's decay metcalf in which the nfl than hates you for some reason but outside of that day draft guys like this early so i would expect him to get some serious first round. Looks well if anything terrorists marshall watched decay metcalf do everything and went okay note to self. Don't run agility like the. Nfl will over. Think you if you run agility these guys are right like this is the type of guy that consistently goes in the first round and his issues. You know downfield drops not really wanting to block. That's all mentality stuff like that stuff that you can correct through coaching technique. Through a little bit more won't to you know on the field. You get somebody in his ear. You get somebody. That's working him to improve on those things. Then you've got the athletic profile to gamble on again. Nfl teams look at. What's the ceiling of this guy. More than they're looking at okay. These two things we need to you know fix or whatever. He's got a very very high ceiling. I could see him going in the first round like jake said with all those guys that went last year yet. Terrorists marshall can definitely go round one especially if some wide receiver start coming off the board early as wished. The effort was consistent. That's one of the things that really does bother me and it is funny. He pulled up right before his biggest test with the agility is in his in his athletic testing and he pulled up right before the bama game. He's duck in some people here a little bit. And he's probably going to be picking thirty one. I mattie well you know what you can't do is duck the bs scale beep beep beep beep and this bs meter. Reading is the equivalent of real and speaks being a second round draft back. He second round draft vantage once again. An explanation is needed. It's true. I jabbar johnson. Getting some buzz as safety three in this class. What you think matthew more johnson's interesting. Because i don't unlike these kind of other guys that we've talked about so far. I don't think there was really any hype for jimmy johnson until about two weeks ago and now all of a sudden people are throwing out there. How he's coming around is their safety three. How he's being super impressive and everything. I don't disagree. I think tamar johnson's terrific safety. I do think he was flying under the radar which is weird because his like pinnacle game that you make everyone go watch for him as the ohio state game which happened early in the season. Everybody knew what happened in that game. But for some reason nobody got around that until you know february or march for some reason. It's it's strange but you put him at safety three. He's very instinctive guy he can play in the slot. He can play single high. He could play in the box a little bit. Although he doesn't love contact he's definitely an ankle diver. but you really going for with him. As the ability to make big plays his ability to drive on the football to make plays over his shoulder to come down hill and make plays on the football to cover guys on the back end. So when you're talking about the nfl now where it's passing league. Get yourself a guy that can make plays in the football that can cover receiving options in multiple different areas. The field so i get why he some people safety three. I think when you start going through the safety group. It's pretty good. I don't know what he does significantly better than a handful of other guys. So with that. Said i'm going to ask the three of you. Who were your guys safety three. If it's not jimmy. Johns for me. It's an interesting question because you have your different types as well and it's like is jock. Jock is so much different. I think than a lotta these guys and he is. He's a safety for us so we have to include them in there But i think i would go rig jock. Probably ritchie grants hall in and then jomar johnson. So he's probably my safety five so my my safety three was grant so no i'd say no on this one. Yeah and my safety. Three flip grant and jock. Just because jocks never really had to play very much you know from a top down perspective had to play in some of the positions. That other safeties in this class of kind of had the first attila two. He has been playing. You know this kind of hybrid slot corner basically but we have them as a safety. I do think that he's probably the third best guy in his class. Even though guys like johnson guys like hall and you know those guys have played multiple roles. I jack will transition well because he is a good athlete but no i don't have jimmy johnson in my top three i. I know that a lot of people are in love with him. But as we've seen over the past several years safeties fly off the board and it really is a situation where nfl teams will pass on guys that other people are higher on or have better athletic profiles because of specific fits. We see it year after year. There is there's an abundance of good safeties in the nfl and teams are running more and more three safety looks and they've got plenty of roster spots for him so i do think that we see these guys fall a little further and then it gets into the nfl. Just kind of picking guys. So i could see it happening. But i wouldn't do. He reminds me of chauncey. Gardiner johnson the guy out of florida couple years ago. When you talk about guys that people were like oh he could be this top fifty type guy. He could be safety three or whatever and then he ends up going in. Whatever it garnered johnson the fourth or fifth round. So it's that's a weird position. I it does kind of it. Just kinda depends on what teams want at that particular point in the draft. So that's a interesting one. That's kind of where i fell onto. I think he's going to be outside of. I liked him as a player. But i think he's outside of my top five safeties. He might be closer to my safety seven or something like that. And i like him but when i start look through some of these giovane hollywood i think is a better slot defender than i think. Gerard johnson is i think are washington's a better playmaker in general than jimmy johnson. Is i think james wiggins complain. The box better. Jacoby stephen others a lot of guys that i think can do specific roles better than jimmy johnson. And i don't know if he's good enough at everything like trevan. Morag richie grant to make up for the lack of specificity. I'm i don't know if. I'm buying all way in on the safety. Three talk for that reason. I think he's more of a jack of all trades. I don't know if he's good enough at everything to take out these guys. That are the masters of a single skill kit. You care to get in here at all on who your safety threes. I share the same sentiments. With a jacob stack. Give me richie grant as my safety three Not jomar johnson. There's my take now. Let's go to the bs meter. People be the has no reading here. We just don't know what to do with safety. Safeties are wild. The kid out of fuller jordan fuller out of ohio state was one of the best savings from last year draft and he had like around seven grade in the casey draft. S leader. just doesn't doesn't accept safeties guys. I'm sorry it's turned off. It's the lack men slander. Come on now. We're gonna give the bs meter a break and we'll be back right after this support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room is sports. Fans dream come true. It's alive audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. 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Exciting time i did. See a tweet. Recently elijah vera. Tucker as a surprise top twelve pick in this draft. Some of the shortest arms among the tackles with the question mark in this class. Are we buying this craig man. This is a tough sell. Elizaveta tucker doesn't even have the standard. You know thirty three inch arms that a lot of nfl teams asked for. He's got thirty two and one eight inch arm. So he's he's quite a bit short the shortest arm length in the top twenty tackles we have in the kc draft guide. There you go. So i think it's a situation where most teens view him as a guard even got the movement ability to play tackle and we have been great as a tackle and we think he can play tackle. Nfl the way that they view him will likely be as an interior offense of lying man. How often do interior offensive lineman go in the top twelve. Unless you're quinton nelson does not happen. He's really really rare. So guys like elijah vera tucker just don't tend to go that high yes if a team has taken him to play tackle. I can believe that he will be a fringe fifteen ish. Maybe twentyish player. Because i think he is that kind of good player but we know that the nfl has these stringent arm length standards and right now him being that much shorter than it even though he's got the movement ability. I just do not believe that he's going top twelve at all. Yeah it'd be a little bit surprising for me too. And i'm a big allies. Avera tucker fan. I think he got a my guy in the casey draft guide. But i don't see. I think he's if teams are having these conversations about you know squinting hard enough in making exceptions to move. Some of these tackles are keep. Some of these tackles with shorter arms outside. I think elijah very tucker's one of the last candidates. Even though i think he might be a better football player than a lot of these guys maybe all of the ones that we're talking about here with the short arms. I think he's a guard. But i'm looking here at the last few graphs and there's been one guard taking the top five since two thousand fifteen. I believe that is quinton nelson. And that's just me thumbing through this right now could go back even farther as much as i love elizaveta time i do think it's natural positions ultimately going to be guard probably here In the national football league. And he's gonna be he's going to be an exceptional one. It's positional value. Can't you say top five when you were talking about clinton nelson there. What did you actually mean. They're top fifteen top twelve sorry about fifteen top twelve look like chance. Warm mac in two thousand and thirteen are no jonathan cooper as well in two thousand thirteen so two guards went in the top ten in two thousand thirteen and they quit nelson. I'm just thumbing. I'm still i'm just thumbing through right now gray looking while we're while we're having a conversation. Yeah i mean i think willis willis would be a guy that i think a lot of people thought might be a guard as well get kinda similar to various soccer and i'm just looking at the top twelve in it's like so where would he fit in and maybe dallas maybe dallas attend loves him. You know maybe slater's off the board and and they wanna get a guy that they think can play tackle. if he fails just kick him into kindergar- they had no issue moving guys around in the past you know collins started guard kicked the tackle. So do i think he's gonna top twelve. Probably not but i mean crazier things have happened if teams really likes him top teams. He's a good player if someone thinks he is the third best offensive line mid in this draft class in. I guess my question would be why not. And if it's just the orm lake. I think teams i teams may look pass that i mean like i mean the fighting cattleman sitting there at eleven. Might just love him my. He might not be able to help himself. You might see that that slobber knocker hog molly just sitting there with the short arms and he's going to be a new york giant who knows I would so i would say. I don't think he's going top twelve but maybe this was kinda crazy to me because like kim said he's going back to two thousand thirteen to find more than quinton nelson as a guard that went top twelve and i zero doubt that the nfl says elijah. Very tucker as a guard. I think people were split before his day. The measurements came out if he was a guard or tackle. Most people were in the camp of trauma tackle because it looked right at usc. But i might like them. Better guard was the general consensus. You thirty two inch arms. Like he's barely over thirty two inch arms. He's not gonna play tackle other than spot starts and the nfl level. So if you're taking top twelve. I mean you've got to really really love him. You gotta think you're getting a david. Decastro quinton nelson type guard. You have to feel very certain about it. And like jake said yet dallas team that could use interior offensive line help. But there's a chance. They're looking at their pick of the litter any defensive player in the draft. Are they really gonna like elizaveta tucker better than the best defensive player. Possible seems very unlikely. Let's go to the scale. Boop people pick this is the equivalent of andy reid saying she's have good in-house options at left tackle like right divine diablo safety question. Mark linebacker question mark out of virginia tech. Get a little bit of love this week. Maybe a day to guy at this point what you think matthew so divine. The apple in an interview had said that just about every team. He has talked to his seen. Him has more linebacker than they saved. So i think that's where you have to start because watching divine diablo play. Safety is rough. Sometimes i mean he just does not. Hey i've the movement skills to do what she would ask a traditional safety. You would be limiting him purely to the old kam. Chancellor style box safety role. And i don't think even has the fluidity to match kam chancellor what he was asked to do. So if you move into linebacker. I get the little bit of love but i can't go day to on this. I really can't. Kaiser is essentially been a complete boston. The nfl and he was a significantly better safety to linebacker transition from his movement skills from what he did it west virginia when he was coming into the nfl. I think it's really hard to see what diablo was doing at virginia tech and make that projection to the nfl super cleanly so much so that you're taking him and the top fifty the top one hundred. I think there's so much to go there for a guy that didn't play overly physical isn't overly fluid. You're teaching a guy. You're just drafting athlete and teaching them to play one of the most cerebral positions in football. That seems like a big stretch for a top one hundred six pick. Yeah that's rough for me. as well. we got to see in the mobile and he showed up and they had him playing some safety. And jim nagy the senior bowl director is calling him. You know one of the best safety. Isn't this draft one of these guys. That's going to go high. And of course he's going to pump up his guy. Not you know not trying to say anything about that. But he was not a guy that really lined up and did a bunch of linebacker drills the. Nfl watched him do that in mobile and then went. Yo you're pretty stiff. Maybe you should play linebacker. So that's not necessarily the profile of a guy that's going to immediately come in play linebacker pm major contributor at the next level and be a high draft pick you compare that to a guy like jacoby stevens who they did ask to play linebacker and mobile wanted him to walk up and play at a bigger weight. Play out there at linebacker. Do all the linebacker drills. That's a guy that i think the. Nfl might be a little higher on than some mock draft machines but diablo really stiff really labor doing things out there and mobile. He shows up on the as well. We've heard he's a really sharp. Kit coaches love him at virginia tech. And i'm sure that appeals to some nfl teams but again we're talking about safeties and linebackers positions that typically fall an nfl teams. Just kinda let fall down by the wayside when that happens those types of guys fall in today three pretty reticent to interject again real quick to is a good linebacker classes. Well if you're moving him to the linebacker position he's competing with a good linebacker class and it's full of guys that can actually cover at that position to djibril. Cox jimmy davis. He's got stiff. Competition for the exact role. You're transitioning to sorry if that was part of your point. Jacob as literally exactly what i was just gonna say thanks sliding in and taking my entire take i was. This is what i was gonna say. I was gonna say it is package league teams. Love these these athletic guys that can play in-space but he is going to be competing against guys. That have actually already done it in players. Like to berle cox. In jimmy davis and even to kobe stevens. I think our guys that would be ahead of him. So i really have nothing else to add. That was it got stolen from me. You guys you guys. You guys are really job outlying. I mean i do think i do think there are probably some validity to him. You know being trusted by that coaching staff. Because they moved him around a lot of virginia tech They let them do a lot of different things. I don't see a guy that i'm excited about athletically. Even though tested well it's kinda surprising the tests will i mean sure short shuttle does kind of reflect the reality of what i kind of see them yet. Historically bad short shuttle but I i i don't i don't see this this kind of player. I don't see a top one hundred type player and get the athletic profile from a physical perspective and some of the linear traits that he possessed were are intriguing but man. I just can't get excited about this. At all i mean. Would you rather have him. Or hampson as rural dean or derrick barnes or some of those other guys that get thrown in there like at the end of day two and a lot of these things like i'd take home certain or derrick barnes exact within ten out of ten times right so they're competing with that level player and then you're also gonna try and transition into a different position. That's a big ass on the same bowl is divine diablo. Either one of. I think i think i think is better than design ideal. I'm sorry beef up. Do all right so this is the equivalent of saying. Pancakes are better than waffles. A now hang on here is so about creating confusion in every single thing. He does about this because he's got the excellent. That's exactly like that by like it's wrong. That is incorrect just as it would be invested in it and cakes about waffles. New we had jake on here for a reason. Pancakes are an unbelievably diverse. Breakfast carb and you are insane for thinking that waffles are better than pancakes. And the data proves you are so the take is divine. Diablo should be the top. One hundred picks i guess according to matthew our rights or going to close this out and argue about. Qb three because there is so much going on. I don't even arguing. But there is so much out there right now about mack jones trailing. It's just it feels all over the place. Who do we think is going to be quarterback three when it's all said and done craig. I think it is going to be justin fields. When it's all said and done i think that the nfl media and everybody in general and kind of bit on the initial reports abou- mack jones. And this isn't me saying that mack jones can't play in shanahan's offense or anything like that. I'm not trying to say that. I'm just trying to say when the last time an nfl team traded up for a guy that was pretty structured within the pocket and was a smart guy that got through his reads. Those aren't the types of quarterbacks that teams have been trading up for lately. They gave up a farm to move up to number three a position where they knew pretty clearly that trevor lawrence is going number. One sack wilson was going number two to new york. I think they knew with those things happening. That justin field was there guy. He's athletic enough. He stands in the pocket. He handles things you you saw him. Kinda get shelled a little bit in the playoffs and he stood in there like a better than i expected him to. Because frankly i had some questions about that. I think that he is pretty clearly my quarterback too and i think that san francisco when they heard that the jets were all in on zach. Wilson knew they needed to make a move up and that was the guy because this happened at. Byu pro like the conversations were happening there then all of a sudden. This trade came out almost that same day. I think that they knew that justin fields is going to be available. And they do that. They had to sell the farm to go up and get him so. I think that it's pretty clear. Goff tansu your question. Is the last time. A team moved up for a non athlete. Maw small arms back that were just saying it was another team with a very structured offense in which the coach ray the entire thing from the sideline with his headset. An clipboard interesting parallel there and holiday work out super. Are you talking about i got. He was hit. You're wrong you're all incorrect. Just fisher took jared goff not mcvay all that is right to so we can be inherited him. No it's not a we. You agree you jumped right in here. We had eight also agreed. I'd forgotten fisher. Because i just blank jeff fisher out of guy that goes eight and eight. Every year is not a memorable. No not at all so as this goes on. We get to the point. Where we have kyle shannon's been two super bowls. He should've worn both super bowls. Defense let them down in one in his own. Play calling in the other one. His quarterback simply wasn't good enough. His quarterback was asked one as an offensive coordinator by the way. Just make sure that's clear. One is an offensive coordinator. Hayes quarterback couldn't make one throw to beat the chiefs in the super bowl. All you had to do was make one quality and he couldn't do it now. A year removed from that. They are trying to find an entirely new quarterback. So where do they do. Kyle shanahan completely throw out everything. He's ever done the quarterback in the nfl level from anywhere he's worked at qb coach and offensive coordinator head coach. Where he's had a very similar style of quarterback he has made more successful. They've been elsewhere that he's taken to multiple super bowls as a coach or as a coordinator. Does he just throw all of that out the window and try something entirely new or does he get a better version of kirk cousins. Abed version of jimmy garoppolo. Does he get the closest thing. He can get to matt ryan. Who essentially want him. The super bowl 'til he called some run plays as the coordinator and refused to put away the patriots in draft. Mack jones. does he just improve the quarterback. Get a guy that will probably run his system to. At better than jimmy garoppolo could better than kirk. Cousins could pretty much up to mvp level matt ryan if he just stays of instructor the system it makes a lot of sense. One hundred percent. See the rationale for gay. Kyle shanahan loving mack jones putting him in this offense and trying to replicate the success of his offense had with the atlanta falcons which was good enough to win a super bowl. It was other things. Let them down. Not the quarterback play. No he drafts. The second best quarterback in the strap draft chesterfield's kyle shanahan. A lot of people do not talk about the facts that he laid out exactly what he wants quarterback position at his end press conference i had a aircraft was on one of the packer shows just last week talking about this very subject and talking about how nobody mentions the fact that shanahan basically came out and said yes i have been linked to kirk cousins because he likes kirk cousins. He's worked with kirk cousins. He's had success with kirk cousins but he that is not necessarily in this verbatim when he said is. That's not my quarterbacks not my type of quarterback and then he went on to just gush about josh allen in this year's draft class to me. The josh allen is trey lance when you talk about small school kid. Accuracy issues and play into basically level of talent that he was playing with So i think it is going to be trae lance or just feels to be a close second dan graziano. Espn april eighteenth. I am told that forty nine are extremely involved in the trae lance workout scheduled for monday lance who works with quarterback coach quincy. Avery spent the last couple of weeks working with quarterback coach. John belk kyle shanahan coached beck in washington a decade ago. Entrust his opinion. I'm told lance went to work with becca shanahan's request in that. The niners coaching staff gave beck a list of drills. They wanted lance to work on ahead of monday's workouts effectively. The forty niners designed the workouts. And we'll have a hand in administering it i. I don't have my own scale. I'm not as cool as matt. My scale would be much less confusing. If i did have a scale but i do think that there's some validity to that report and i think that there's something substantial to that report. I think i'm i cannot believe this. I and it's not that i don't i don't like trae lancet. It's just. I think. I think trae lance is going to be. Qb three after all this after all this mack jones stress in conversations and being frustrated about justin fields in. He's been portrayed as a prospect as a kid. Whatever i think. It's trae lenses quarterback three. I really do matthew lane. There's not really a ski. I'll actually we'll. We'll get the bs reading on this. We'll get the reading on this. Trae lance quarterback three to the san francisco forty niners. What's the reading it be up. It'd be the reading of this is the equivalent to the chiefs will go to their third straight super bowl in this upcoming nfl season. Ooh no be asked the tech. He'll love to see it all right. Well that is going to do it for the draft show. Thank you guys so much for listening. We'll be back on. Friday with the ap laboratory so close to the nfl draft a big mock draft the next time we have this show. Thank you so much. We'll catch you later. Six her own.

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AP Laboratory - Weekly Chiefs Mailbag (Ep. 233)

"What's up everybody. They could twentieth today. Monday kids swamped the ap laboratory at the mail bag kicking off the week. Here on the arrowhead pride podcast channel f- ads and all your questions. You guys brought it as usual and We're gonna try to answer. A bunch of those and helped me do are my dear pals per usual. I find him on twitter at chief in carolina. Matthew lane what's happening. It feels good to be appropriately. Acknowledged introduce this week. Can't thank you for that. I appreciate your issue. Is we had a little bit of a kerfuffle going on on twitter this weekend. So i need everybody to at craig on twitter at barley up until have how you brush your teeth. Are you a water toothpaste. Brush like a normal sane human or you a toothpaste useless water and dry bristle. Brusher some others but i needed to atkin at craig at barley hop on twitter and tell them how do you brush your teeth. Why are you. Why do i care about what anybody's dental hygiene. How did i get dragged into. This many knows. I hate it when no just no don't do that. I don't want any part of that. Craig somehow has an alternative to do it. You explain. don't use water. Denison they to use water dilutes the toothpaste. One dentist is told craig not to use water. And now it's every dentist every route of four to five. Dentists recommend just tot- toothpaste in no water at all before or after like a sociopath. We found the real sociopaths. Mattie think we can all come to an agreement that craig stinks in his way of brushing. His teeth is terrifying guys. Lots of a lot of times. That i stink. Y'all don't believe me. I think craig smells fantastic. First of all so. I put that out there for everybody to. I don't care who's right or wrong. I just want everybody to at barley hop on twitter about it. Until the your story craig's basically i can only i'm gonna try it tonight. I'm going to try it tonight. And i'm gonna tell you how badly it feels like. I'm chewing on shock or your gums ready for that. No they aren't because that's not how this product was designed. That's four out of five dentists. Think craig's dentists sucks. This is a great football podcast. You guys you know. It's the off season and we still got a lot of questions to answer. Let's just do that. Five star review questions. If you like the pride podcast channel you like the show like what's going on here. Leave a five star review. The ask a question when you leave a five star review. Answer at austin did that and he asks if collin sanders couldn't do backflips would fans still feel. He is such a gym. Could you guys speak on fan perception versus reality on some of these bottom the guys so we'll talk about colin santa's a little bit because i think he's a good representation. I think you know there is a natural inclination for people to really love every single player on the roster. Jody fortson is a potential starting wide receiver in the national football league. Calling saunders is living up during is history has a chance to live up to potential. You know. I think it's a natural inclination for all of us to over inflate the value of players on roster and. I think it's normal. It's normal with collins. Under specifically he got taken he got his job taken by a undrafted free agent. interior defensive. Line waste two hundred eighty pounds and is really just primarily a pass rusher. He has not been able to really earn any opportunities on bass downs as a run stopper and his potential ability as a pass. Rusher has been overtaken by guy that was undrafted. There's a reason for optimism for a guy like that if he was living up to his potential as a top. One hundred pick. You would be there'd be looking for ways to play to play him over people or get him on the field but they're not mike pinellas still on the field. I know that's on based on. But i'm just saying they're not really finding any ways for him to get opportunities on the field. That's just the reality lotteries for optimism for him moving forward. I do think that it's worth noting that with colin sanders. He's a very charismatic individual. I think if you speak to him. It's hard not to fall in love with colin. Sandra we did. We call this an awesome dude like we love him. We wish that he was on the field in a much better player and contributing more for this football team. Because he's awesome dude but that is fun guy to root for yes absolutely and so. Yeah that's what that's where it comes to. Everybody wants these guys especially these friends. Rusher guys to succeed. So yeah. I think this yeah. I think it'd be really fun. If he was. But i think. I think i think the ship sail on him. I think people want to say just give him time in the national occur. National football league halfway through your rookie deals a pretty strong indicator just the way the the nature of the sport. These days swanson's font in two thousand seventeen. We pick tana passenger three picks before. Juju smith smith schuster in two thousand and eighteen. We picked Berlin speaks one pick before christian kirk in two thousand nine hundred and we made the pick before decay metcalf in two thousand twenty we. We made the pig area and twenty twenty we made the pick before t higgins what monster x wide receiver is going directly after our pick in the two thousand twenty one phil draft. Well the good news is for as good as of a wide receiver class. Is this twenty. Twenty one draft class is gonna be your. You don't have a lot of outside receivers. you don't have a lot of x wide receiver early on you. Got the chase. Probably off the gonna be off the board. Davonte smith probably going to be off the board rashad bateman would be the one guy that i think if he was all the board that she's one would probably take it because he's a perfect fit in the first round but if they didn't he would be guy that i think you would look back and say wow the chiefs really missed out on another one but i'm not sure he's going to be there earlier there either and two once you work past them. There's not a lot of guys with ex wide. Receivers is in skill set for day. Two of the strath. It's a lot of guys that planned the slot. A lot of guys the little bit of speed one guy that i could see happening. Maybe at around three the guy that might go at the very beginning around four or the cop picks at the end of day two josh palmer wide receiver at tennessee. He's a big bide. Receiver dominates the catch point. And he's really good vertical threat for guides of bigger bodied receiver. He's had absolutely awful quarterback play at tennessee his entire career there. When he was younger he actually had quite a few guys that end up playing the nfl ahead of him of the depth chart so he's a guy that could end up big pretty good of the nfl. And if i can't promise the chiefs take him because he's not a super super highly thought of or sought after wide receiver to the national public. Right now so ye goes at the end around three after the chiefs pick. He's a guy that you you almost pencil. And as a star a budding star as the chiefs take a to doubt defensive tackle or linebacker or something. He pinard squad at gmail.com. Two way for you to reach out to us you can. If you don't starve you don't have to wear whatever this is the way for you reach out for us in craig ranch out and you wanted to kinda plug something here. Yeah we had somebody reach out. Her name is anna skop. She says my dearest renaissance man rant swanson and mattie lane so obviously a listener to the podcast. She said she sent us in. And it wasn't a question for the laboratory. It was addressing the fact that she has had multiple instances of leukemia lymphoma in her family and in her extended family and addressing the during this time during the pandemic. It's getting ridiculously hard to treat some of these. Things is getting ridiculously hard to find funding and support for these things. So it's actually a fundraiser with the leukemia and lymphoma society. It's actually it's for a man and the woman of the year situation. I wanted to shout this out because it's open for ten weeks. It's open right now and i believe it's closing down in mid. May they are trying to raise one hundred thousand dollars overall and she reached out just to see if we would give it a shout out. I'm gonna read the link here but if you can't remember this link i'm gonna posted on my twitter and i'm gonna pinch the top four you know throughout the link to all of this it's pages dot l. l. s. dot org slash m. w. a. y. slash m slash denver. Twenty one slash. a skop. They are chiefs fans living in denver. That are season ticket holders. Listen to the. Ap laboratory reached out to see if we can help. So i just wanted to give her a shout out. Thanks for listening and we'll see if we can do some good. I love this center is twenty dollars or more. You get a free draft guide. Screenshot of receipt twenty dollars or more you draft guide. How about that love it. Donate to a good cause. Get some free stuff from us. So send us a screenshots. Donate find the link on craig's On craig's twitter handle screenshots. Get your free. Casey draft okay. Sodexo joe emailed in. Hey guys cheese. Fan and draft nerd here ordered my draft guide. A few days ago awesome. They keep it as a fan. I almost feel like after. Prepare myself for at least one head-scratching pick in the first two rounds. That is correct. It's a really good take their. Let's prepare ourselves for the reality that this that that is the nfl draft show. We we select one of the following players in the first round. Which are you most disappointed by. In which are you. Most in agreement with he threw out zaven collins linebacker at tulsa. Joe try on the edge out of washington creed humphrey the interior offensive line out of oklahoma. Trevon the safety at tcu and pat fry. Move the eggs out of penn. State's he adds that you left. Boogie bash amount for me. Make you all right so the one. You're most disappointed in. And the one you are most in agreement with mattie i think most disappointed with creed humphrey the center out of oklahoma round. Would i. it's not that. he's a bad player. i just think he's a very whole home even for an interior offensive lineman prospect. He's very smart. He's been calling protections in oklahoma for multiple different. Nfl or now so he's a quality player. It's not even that he would be bad. I just don't know if you're getting a player worth thirty two picks better than the next center that you could get the heck maybe not even sixty four picks better than a center you could get at the end of day two just because like i said there's nothing special i don't think there's anything creed humphry can hang his hat on to say it will work in the nfl. The guy that i'd be most in agreement with would be the edge defender out of washington joe trial and you don't get good at rushers after round one. If you're taking him around the one you have to believe the athletic profile. That's the rules. I don't make that just the rules. So if that's the case you believe in the athletic profile that joe trion puts out at whatever pro day he goes through. I do want to say i would love though that'd be fun and the most agreement with it but it would be fun. Okay so thanks matty. Because yes i agree i. It's creed. humphry. We watch crete humphry. Give walk back into the quarterback lab time and time and time and time again in mobile with every single bad defensive tackle that was out there and some guys that were edges that were playing defensive tackle because they didn't have enough to defensive tackles crete humphry really struggled so i do think that he's a guy that i don't hate him by any means but that's real early for a guy like that. My guy that i'd love is traffic driver. Motor motoric is a good man. Cover and a super-athlete a ball hawk and he's long and frankly i don't need anything else. I've condoned that this team could take safety now for the past two years last year's draft i was fine them taking a safety because it meant that short up the middle of the field. It made this team better on defense. In the middle of the field force the ball to lower percentage throws outside of the hashes. Trevan rig still does that and he is the best safety in this class. He gives steve spagnolo another tool in the secondary. We know what he does with them. So i think that he would be an elite defender for this team and makes them real strong up the middle of the field. I want to add. Like i think i i have more hope for a creed humphry as a prospect after being kind of out on him a little bit after washington do some stuff at the mobile. He really did look like he struggled. So i mean. I do think i'm with these guys in an agreement with these guys that i do think my guy here is is for that amount on. I'm probably think with come with mattie on trial and he's a guy. I got a chance to watch your a little bit this week and i actually like his athletic profile. I believe in a little bit I don't know. If i'm i definitely not wear other people all right now with the with the round one You know with the round one love entirely to this point like i don't think he's a slam duck first round prospect. I think we have. You know the top fortyish right now though. I don't think he's the highest grade guy that we have of these of these players in this list either but to mattis point filling a position in need a good quality athletic profile. A guy that was lining a four. I a lot of times for Washington was able to exit. Twist and stunts still actually able to soften the corner enough to turn it. Even lining inside the tackle like there was some impressive things that he put out on tape. So he's a guy that yeah. I mean i'd be fine with Yeah so let's up to the twitter questions now. D- silky tain. You may have answered this question before. But how did you guys all become friends. And what made you all decide to start a podcast. What what indicated that. We're friends know cold. It's just cold inbetween between the dead silence. Really i count us down to start. There's no jokes. There's no talk before hint. Now your professionals yes purely business. Strictly we we all started kind of. I think kim was probably the one that the brought us together with the draft show. Initially i had written prayer had pride for since two thousand nine. So it's been a long time. And mattie was in the fan posts a lot and had a lot of comments and brought good. Football conversation can take like every other draft take had absolutely and it's still the case so when kitten jake reducing the ap draft show. I believe in twenty eighteen brett. Vj first draft there He actually had a conversation with me. Conversations mattie and it was kinda going around there for a little while I started working for pride again shortly after that draft and so did matt and so we just started talking every day a lot and literally every day literally every day and the result is now kind of what you're seeing. We converse a lot. We're buddies hang out a lot. We we know each other probably far too well at this point so yeah. I don't think a whole lot to add to this. And i think a lot of people might remember me from being all over your fan posts or the comments on arrowhead. Prides website talked to a lot of people. There can't came around and brought like new fund draft dante to arrowhead pride so i started talking to him a little bit. I didn't even have twitter. Or i had a twitter at this time. I think i had to make one four like a college class or something. But i never ever used it for anything and so. I didn't have a twitter but i started talking to kids a little bit and at one point in time. I think i had to branch out like somebody's like hey you wanna come right from my website. We can't pay you but you can write about the chiefs over here. And i think. I told kim about it and he may be even told me to reach out to p at joel air. Had pride started talking to them. Essentially we ended up getting on their had. Pride introduced a crag we started talking about. They're like hey do you guys want to podcast. Could be something. That's kind of fun and select the first twenty five episodes were pretty business like we still like each other talk. We are all very nervous trying to feel each other out on. We had segments too because like we were worried about the technology so it was never us three talking. That the craig sorry. Continue your good and yeah capable process know obviously the more time that you talk and spend to somebody you realize you know if you if you want to be friends or if you're like us and you just get together when business calls. Yes yes very. Obviously if you've ever listened to this show especially in recent years there's just no there's just no warmth just at all you don't realize how awkward mobile is. We don't talk to each other unless we're on the podcast. Yeah rooms so like it's you know. I'm i'm lucky enough to like. Have a prior relationship with jake but like craig matt like having a share room extremely awkward. I've spoken to jake for maybe thirty minutes of my entire life it keeps booking bet. It's really awkward. it was on sale. The only thing i'll add is like i asked i remember early on with mattie like coming in and just telling me how bad my draft eggs were. That was like. Hey dude you really smart. You have a twitter account. And he's like nah eventually eventually like eventually like he did get it. That's why it just turned into like demel. All the time during draft season. And then i was dealing with craig all the time during draft season and bearcat all the time during draft season country all the time during draft season and all four of those guys wound up on the draft show for the first picks for the picks of every player. Whatever that we had the last draft show we did that. Draft was fun. We all bonded over a terrible draft that just that just shut checks out that really checks out but yeah that's all. I think you guys did a good job explaining the whole story. All right primetime pairing. Hi guys my son is nine. Wants to know what free agent receiver would be best fit in the chiefs offense or what drafty would fit best. In what round would you take them. All the way from cheswick. Canada keep up. The great work can't wait for the draft guide a real quick mattie before you get in on this anytime. He wants to ask a question. He gets a fast pass to the front of the line. Just so you know so anytime. He has a question just he frontline that any kid honestly like we've had a few kids we open. Invite you get you get fast pass to the front of the line on on on mailbag questions. Just an all right. go back. So i'm gonna take beverage face value when he said they aren't going to sprint out there to try to sign a wide receiver early on a free agency. So i'm not going to give you the allen robinson's or the juju smith schuster these high priced free agents. But i do think a guy. I've mentioned a lot like josh reynolds. Playing for the rams. I do think he's a guy that has x wide receiver especially for andy reid type size. He's a guy that can get vertical a little bit but he makes most of his work is the intermediate short stuff wasn't heavily utilized with the rams just because that offense centers around play action hitting some of the guys out of the slot or tight ends leaking over the middle of the field. I think he's a guy that could still be ascending that you could have a reasonable price. Another guy that fits in that same mold is born out at the san francisco forty niners and then in the draft. I think i mentioned earlier. Shot bateman in round. One would be the perfect guy to come in and play. Receiver the chiefs. He's got the size. He's a good route runner. He can win on all three levels. Just the issue is you would have. They spend round one pick and get a little lucky that he fell all the way to thirty one. I believe shot. Bateman is currently sitting for us personally right now at pick. Oh no he's he's bumped up. He was picked number thirty one exactly. He was the board. He's jumped to pick or two player number thirty on our board. Now jackie jared for twenty eight. What position is brett. Vh going after. I in free agency like this. Ooh i agree with. I don't think that they're going to go all in on wide receiver. I think pretty much leaves defensive end and offensive line in my book There's a lot of offensive linemen. That are out there right now. I i think that. Nfl teams have told you exactly what they think of their high priced. Ofensive line contracts right now because everybody is shedding them as quickly as possible. This draft is great at those positions. Teams are tired of paying these guys that much money so i think that market's actually going to be a little bit quiet like i don't think it's going to be heavy out there so i think it's going to be defensive. End that vigo's. After i and i think that you see the offensive line kind of wait until some of the bigger guys come off the board and then the domino's will start to fall a really want a really won't like alan robinson to be a thing but i i'm sorry i'm one hundred percent agreement with you on defensive in i if i were betting right now. That's the position. I think i would. I would anticipate d johnson twenty nine in this year's draft. Would you rather go all in on high floor players or all high ceiling players Okay so brett visas problem in a lot of ways. he hasn't hit very many singles. I really kinda just wanna bunch of high floor guys this year because yes i would love him to identify more blue chip players. He finally got his first. One three drafts in was legit need but if just hit on hi four play if they just had high floor graphs for the for the last few years. Imagine the roster construction. How this team would look from a depth perspective from a quality perspective. You have the ultimate blue chip if there's anything bigger than blue chip the definition of blue chip you have it in patrick mahomes like obviously they got to continue to stack top tier talent but man. Just just get some guys on the board that are going to contribute at equality level. Your money john would you say liam aiken berg fleeing mike berg is like i don't alternate and mike berg and i'm not disappointed if the cheese take him at all. I'm fine. I'm content. Because i think he's a guy that's going to be able to play at a nfl quality level for a long time. You'll hate it support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room is a sports fans. Dream come true. It's a live audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room makes it easy to start your own conversations. 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You can find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you can be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in two thousand nineteen. Johnston twenty nine also asks knowing the cheese dime defense was the weakest group on defense last year in that breadth beach mentioned linebacker or linebacker depth. What are the chances the chiefs draft a dime linebacker in are there any current favorites. The chiefs do have to go out and try to find a way to replace bit needed whether that somebody they already have on the roster which i doubt seeming. They didn't do it in the middle of last year. Or they're going to have to bring in somebody new. I don't love the concept of spending the quality assets. That's cash or a draft pick on a just a dime linebacker. I think if you're gonna spend something worthwhile like if you're going to pay out five million more dollars to a linebacker agency if you're gonna draft a linebacker top one hundred. He needs to be as close to three down players. Possible which is what dime linebacker would be. So we're just looking to replace the damn linebacker. I'm looking on day. Three and i'd probably take a bigger safety rather than just a linebacker. Athletic linebackers are hard to find on day. Three because guys draft them up. So give me a jemaine sherwood. Safety out of auburn played at two hundred and twenty three pounds last year. Very smart player. He called their entire defense from the far quarter that linebacker group in the defensive line. he's was constantly in communication with everybody else. I think he needs to play a little bit. More physical play up to that two hundred and twenty five pounds but as far as a coverage player on the underneath intermediate zones. I think he's got a high q. He could slide into that role. Pretty well cabin danny. This question is for craig with anthony. Sherman retiring who is the leader of the special teams unit. Now very important question. Well it was gonna be harrison booker. But he missed Eating ari bernie. I'm just trying to stir everybody of came into the cash harrison. Bud kerr's a definite candidate to lead that room but it's typically guys that are like four guys that are playing in every single facet. That's going to be like an armani. Watts rashad fenton doria no daniel. If he's still around like in those three guys are probably going to be your your pivotal special teams players. Guys that are on the fringe of being able to play snaps for this defense. But dave tober likes those guys and he consistently says that. Those guys are some of his top performers. We've seen them be captains a couple of times as the special teams captain. So i think if you pick from that three. I think you're pretty safe can give you a dark horse. Yeah byron pringle. A byron pringle might be one of those guys because he planned gunner. Is he planned vice. I don't know you're you're the you are the drafting next expert. Yeah he played less than fifty percent of the specialty snaps last year. Now hold on anthony. Sherman only played fifty eight percent. So i go crazy out there. But you're right. Armani watches the guy that plays the most special team snaps like that would be a good place to start. And let me just make sure to provide this in no uncertain terms armani watson dory no daniel being good on special teams does not mean that they drafted well In two thousand eighteen. Just please know that that. That doesn't special teams doesn't matter. It's not a hidden third. No it's not a hidden it's like it's like a sixth. Maybe you know what if we were talking. If we were talking after this podcast. I would have words for you. But since it's all business i just have to swallow that and why don't you just let it out now now. Chandler w seventy eight. Who will be the third most targeted player on the team. This year Mattie this past year it was mccoll. Hardman was sixty two targets that came with him with him. Starting half of the games playing all sixteen games and sammy. Watkins missing six plus games during that stretch. So he's a guy that's going to be in contention. I think clyde or dealer though. I think that's your right answer. He was only eight targets behind the call hardman. Despite missing three games aid being a rookie. He takes the targets of any other running back on this team. He would be third in targets last year. If he played in those three games and continued his averages even had zero targets and had the same average the other two he would have been third. So i think as long as he's healthy i would assume clyde edwards helaire takes that role especially because i don't think the chiefs are gonna go out and sign a top tier number two wide receiver. I think they'll improve that position. I just don't think it'll be top tier guy that's going to demand a hundred targets. Yeah i'm with you on that one. Corio four asks last season. The tagline mantra for the chiefs was running back. What should it be this season. I hold wholeheartedly believe that it should be taken back. Hashtag take it back. I love that photo enough. That's the promo code. We used for the draft guide when released february. Like i'm all in on. Take it back. I think that makes the most sense. And now i can just shamelessly plugged gum. Dot co slash. Casey draft guide twenty one. You can get the casey draft guide for eight ninety nine with promo code. Take it back so they go no. I'm one hundred percent in corey on this one. I think that. I think that's a great way. Something something like reclaiming or something to that effect. I think i would play perfect but take it back. Seems like the most simple way to do it. Late and y forty four theoretically if she's had a top ten pick would you rather them draft in that spot or trade back for more assets draft. It depends it depends on the draft. Class is long as there are ten worthy top ten players as long as you have ten guys they are getting you what you were considering a grade worthy of that spot. I think you take one there. If you were drafting a guy at the right value always take him there. Don't trade back. But i love blue chip talent. I would not trade back just have more swings at the bat when i have one teed up for home run mattie. Don't you do this dress specifically. Let's talk this draft specifically because most likely you're mattie answer brain probably didn't take it that he probably meant this draft. I'm just guessing. I would have to see how the board played out. Can't quit. he quit. He pays quick as on the board. I if my option was quitting pay or trading back. I would probably trade back in this draft. Because i don't know of quitting pay is top tained pick worthy when you have other edge options that i think are very close to him. They're strapped. So i would collect an extra day to day later. Pick to move back and see if i could still get pay or take jalen philips or somebody comparable. I'm staying in the top ten in drafting mica. Parsons end of story. Thanks lame that was the question but yes. That's the move. I'm trading back. I especially in this draft class. We already know you guys already know. I'm trading back. I think especially in this draft like we don't have a ton of first round grades in this class. Craig account you wanna throw something at me here. Is your show inflator there. yes. I'm definitely staying put. Then and then. I'm flipping a sean slater ratio. Well okay now. Let's say rashawn slater's not because he's one of our. We have currently sitting at eight on our board. See i'm taking. I'm staying there and taking a guy either way just whether or not i'm taking. Mike parsons translator. Is the sean slater's on the board. I probably stay quit. Epa i'm with mattie but man i just think there's just a really strong like second round grade type class here and i think it starts like right around ten which is why i love this question. And if you trade out if you trade back especially if what if someone going to get a quarterback fee trade from like signatory from sixteen year getting a second round pick probably if you trade back to like sixteen seventeen year getting a second round pick to trade back and i think there's a lot of good players back there and i don't know if jalen phillips for instance like i'm i'm i'm i'm i. We have a really high grade on jay phillips because the towns there but there's so many things we terrified about. I don't think i'm i think i'm moving back. Just played in that really strong class. Because like you're probably wanting with elijah vera tucker or jalen mayfield or tevin jenkins still at sixteen in. You're getting a second round pick. tell me how. that's a bad idea. Not mike parsons that's why. Well there's more questions about micro parks i understand. Yeah he might very well. Be there in sixteen as well as twenty. You want Not achieves fan asks which potential cheese free agent. Would you be saddest to see go. And which one would you be the saddest see. Stay the the saddest. The go i think would be bershad ruined. I think odd island has its ups and downs. There's good games and there's bad games but you deal with them as a fan because for the most part he's been your most consistent and best corner says he's been here he's been the guy on the outside has provided kind of the most takeaways should be best of the outside corners. I don't know if he's worth keeping around necessarily because you're trying to get younger. You still need improvement. He's kind of stopgap but it will be sad to see him go. I think he's been useful. The guy that i really don't want the act. I think ben evens the obvious. The next one dan sorenson and i know it's gonna upset some fans daniels sorensen's not bad football player. He's exactly what he is. But i just like with brilliant. I think that is one of the biggest stopgaps on the team that you are stopping somebody that could be a very valuable highly productive player in playing daniel sorensen in that rule. Because you trust him. It's way to save get somebody better is spotless. I mean those are probably the two obvious ones for me as well. I like dame wilson as you know as a locker room figure quite a bit like all miss him being gone like those guys clearly respect him. They all really love him. I think that that's going to be just a tough one to see go. So i mean dana. Wilson's my guy that i'll be sad to see go. Because he was what he was but he gave his all. He was a good player for what he was. And then yeah. I mean i i. Don't like duncan on bend neiman. Everybody seems to do that. Plenty but i am starting to feel bad. He's like turning into jerry from parks and rec. Yeah a little bit. And i just. It is going to be good to see him. Go to see somebody else. Get those reps. Because he was a clear weak link. we all knew he was a clear. Weak link you know when we got forty two questions every single week when the chiefs was winning. We're winning that we're saying hey how bad has been neiman. He wasn't good but you know i won't be sad to see him. Go just to see somebody new in that spot. i'm surprised manley didn't go with taco charlton. As the guy he'd be satisfied go but it could be some concerns out of energy out of injury. I'm gonna go weirdly enough. I'm gonna go with mike remers and it's mostly just about. I think he's a guy that showed a capability of lining up in a variety of spots along this offensive line in a year. Where the chiefs suffered ultimate attrition. He was a constant and he was capable of of providing. I will i don't want it serviceable just say serviceable Play along this offensive line and so that was that baseline of just serviceable was extremely valuable. This year. For this football team. So i would be a little bit. I lead a little bit sad. The guy i'm not sad to see leave is austin writer. I think that's a place that the chiefs can. They can definitely get better this offseason. I think they could get better with a third round pick. I think they could get better very easily in free agency. I'm kind of over that spot. I wanna see an injection of talent somewhere along the interior austin rider. Seems like an easy place to maybe move on and replace with. Wissam some intriguing talent. Free agency redraft ballgame. Twenty one thirty to the packers and ravens are two teams picking later who also could use a round one offensive tackle or wide receiver. Who are some prospects that you guys deem worthy of jumping them if still on the board before the ravens around the clock. Also what would it take to move up to twenty six so guys. I want you all to give me one each. Okay so just try to come up with one. And i'll just the question to get up to twenty six for the chiefs. It's probably going to cost roughly their third round pick. So it'll a. I a third gets them ahead of twenty six. Probably all right mattie one player that you would trade up for so i was going to go with the tackle until you told me it would take my third round pick as well. I don't know if moving up in this tackle class had spending third round pick is worth it to get one so the only guy that i would move up for a wide receiver. Eight or eight tackle would be reshot. Bateman wide receiver. Minnesota talked about a couple of times. But i really do think there's a big drop off after him from a pure day one in high ceiling x wide receiver. So i would if that was what something you felt you needed. I would go take him before the packers or before the ravens could okay before you all torn feather me here. My explanation here. I'd trade up for devante smith. Devante smith is going to way way less than gm's like he's not going to be a blazing fast guy and guys like that. Just don't typically go. Hi in the draft guys like him. Also don't typically have the kind of production kind of route running all of the intangibles and everything like that. That are not measurable from athletic testing standpoint but gm's are old and stuck in their ways and they have very specific opinions about height weight size thresholds speed threshold. That guys have to hit for them to realistically consider him. I don't genuinely think the devante smith is going to fall this far. But i'm also not going to be shocked if he hits the twenty mark just because gm's are weird that way. Sometimes he's there twenty six chief. Better be pulling that trigger. So i do this. This is. I'm i'm having some explaining to do for this. I think i know where matt he's going to go with this immediately. When i say this. I think i might try. I think about trading up for jd. Mayfield and i. And i know i just got done saying you know. Let's let's hit on some. Let's hit some singles hairbreadth. Vh let's go and hit some singles. But i i'm personally looking at it. I think i think the swing on the talent a potentially elite talent along the tackle position. I mean. I don't know if that's where i'm most confident. I don't think i'm confident that he's going to be a you. Know top five tackle. But i think there's a chance that he could be. I think there is a relatively realistic chance that he could be. I think he will be equality. Started for long time. I think he's a high ceiling young player that has shown developmental growth along the Kind of arc of his career. And i think handing a lot of boxes and i think there's going to be hard to get a talent like him in the back end of the first round. I you know i think at times. I've been hopeful that maybe he'll fall. But man i think you. If you're gonna go grab a guy. Like jalen mayfield. You're going to have to jump up to go. Acquire them. And i think i think about it. I think i might do it. I really do. i'm kinda. I'm kinda falling for him. The farther along we get into this process. Matt if you need to jump in and get your takes off please by all means no. I like jalen mayfield. I think he was in the consideration. But then i started thinking about it. I have about three offense tackles. I'd consider trading up for if that's three guys not consider trading up for how many of going to go in the five picks before the chiefs draft. I don't know if mayfield so much better than a tavern jenkins did a liam eichenberger. Osama's me like i don't know if he's so much better than them to be worth sacrificing a third round. Pick to get him over them. So that's why route transition to wide receiver. I do think there's a big gap after bateman to your next x wide receiver. I'm not sure the same thing. Is there for a tackle. I don't think. I would trade up twenty-six though i'm unless there's a random mike parsons falling to twenty six because of quote unquote off field issues. I don't know if i would trade up to that point. I didn't either trade up farther to secure a guy that definitely won't be there it a different tier or not trade up at all. I wonder if like tevin. Jacobs's another guy i would think about. I think in this situation that we're kind of discussing here. It's probably something where the tackle running started and it's happened and it might be that it might be that like jalen mayfield is the last guy in that. Tier know allies. Various tucker's off the board. Like what if elijah vera tucker dare saw christian der saw in kevin jenkins are off the board in. Its stay in draft berg or trade up for jalen mayfield. I think that would be the scenario. You'd have to think about i. I'm guessing like ninety. Would you what would you do. Would you would you stick for. Liam liam liam aiken a josh palmer versus just jalen feel like i would stay. Keep my third round. Pick now if you could change it to where. I moving farther in securing a slightly better. Tackle like elizaveta talker. I think like if i was going up to get him at twenty two instead. I think it might be just the bigger trade off. Yeah i mean. Elisa very tucker is the one of the other guys. I was thinking about two right now. Our current great on jalen may feel higher than lingerie tucker's. I looked at these numbers. Seventeen player board. Julie mayfield currently and i was like that's probably about. I'm i'm if i'm assessing everything. Joseph bowen four to edge prospects in a linebacker jordan smith out of uab the edge. Patrick jones the edge out of pittsburgh or tony fields out of west. Virginia who fits better for the chiefs matthew schematically tony fields. Make some sense because he's a smaller undersized kind of coverage linebacker you could draft you plug him into ben demands dive rural linebacker role. He could play some weakside linebacker. Willie gay still not ready for it. So in theory from a scheme perspective make sense. I think he's just too small. For steve bagnall becoming at two hundred and twenty two pounds with relatively short arms. He's not a guy that i just. We'll see steve spagnolo falling for if the case just draft a safety instead like you're getting a safety size player out of the to edge rushers. I like george smith a little bit better than i think. He's closer steve smack preferred prototype six would six to one hundred and fifty five pounds and then has over thirty three and a half inch orbs. He hits two out of three of the thresholds that we're talking about adding five pounds of a six six frame from a guy that played college at your went to college at uab. I think that's very easily done to hit all of the thresholds deceased back. No lights patrick. Jones has relatively short arms for six four. Two hundred sixty five pound rusher. He's only got thirty two inch arms. That would be tied with mike. Dana for the shortest arms to play significant snaps for steve spag dole ever. So i just think that makes him less likely than jordan smith i dared relayed. Who is the legitimate need in this draft class who has been playing out of position in may fall the day. Three for the chiefs to take out. Sean wade oh. I got that i want attack. Let's see here. There's actually quite a few guys that That kind of has that outside versatility that rotate deep to safety rashad wild goose one of them. Bryce thompson is one of them. But the guy. I want to talk about is lorenzo burns out of arizona. He's five eleven one. Seventy five is kind of a spindly smaller-frame guy but you wouldn't be able to tell it. By the way he plays game. He is very physical. He is a very good tackler. And he's got very fluid hips. He's really good. You know breaking inside breaking outside the kind of things that you would be tasked with doing as a man cover corner from the slot. And he inserts versus the run all the time for arizona really scrappy guy and he's got great ball production yet. Eight interceptions and twenty six p. Pb us in three years playing his dad's a former baseball player. He's associated with a lot of guys that had been around the pro game so he readies himself a lot differently coaches praise his work ethic and the way he approaches things like he's not going to come into the league and be shocked by everything that's going on. I think it's work ethics good. I think that he's gonna fall just because he's a smaller guy and he doesn't have great speed so he's gonna fall the day three but a guy that i really really liked watching. I was stunned to hear the word. Spindly used on this draft on this podcast. But if anybody knows spindly craig stout that's going to do it for the ap laboratory mailbag thank you guys so much for listening. Be sure to check out everything going on eyraud head. Pride podcast channel. We'll be back with the draft show on wednesday. Thank you guys too much. We'll catch you out.

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Day 1 recap: Mac Jones the right fit for Patriots

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

26:28 min | 5 months ago

Day 1 recap: Mac Jones the right fit for Patriots

"This is the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cabins. All right. So here we go. Greg. Sorry if my lighting is a little off, I couldn't care less. It's almost 10 of 1 in the morning, but we are here and we are talking about the Patriots draft. And you know what Mac? Joe at fifteen, Greg, your initial thoughts, I would be thrilled if I was a Patriots fan in terms of You know, overall what went down that they didn't have to trade up or anything like that. I think that's number one that they got. I don't want to talk about value because everybody talks about with the Patriots. Like, you know, they they they stayed put and the most important thing is they didn't have to overpay for anything. And the second most important thing is, in my opinion, they got the most pro-ready quarterback in the draft, and they got the quarterback that best translates to what they do as far as an offense. And look, we whole bill tonight. Just got off the press conference with him. Say that cams, our quarterback and went on to say, Whatever time Jerry or Mac are ready to challenge a compete. Then we'll see how that goes. I don't think anybody should think anything that belczak was going to say anything else about the guy doesn't even have the Patriots, Playbook bills, not going to give him anything or give him any sort of Leverage or anything. Where, you know, you hear other? I've got news, he's a guy. I mean, you hear other teams and I've ridiculed them in the past that draft the guy in there. Like he's a day. One starter what, what are you talking about? He hasn't even practiced yet, so that's not a surprise. But I think the big thing for me and I think for the Patriots is this, Mac Jones. Eventually. And I'm not saying from the get-go or his rookie year or what-have-you, I do expect him to compete for the job, fairly early, probably for the season. Opener might take them a little bit longer but at some point in time whenever Mac Jones is ready, he is going to be able to operate the full facilities of the Patriots offense, which Cam Newton was never able to do last year, I don't care what was around him. Mac Jones is one of the most advanced. I didn't get a chance to ask Bill. This question in the press conference. I wanted to But Mac Jones is probably the most advanced college quarterback in terms of pre-snap checks reads, all this stuff. All the mental song that goes on at the line of scrimmage I have not seen or heard of a quarterback as advanced at Mac Jones in terms of what his level of experience is. And I think that it's just citing to me. It's probably exciting to Josh McDaniels. It's probably exciting to the Patriots that eventually at some point in time. Mac Jones is going to be able to do a lot of the stuff at the line Shack on. Brady could do. I'm not saying everything. I'm not saying that he is Tom Brady, but just to be able to say, all right, we see this defense, we're going to check out of this, this guy is Advanced Beyond almost all college quarterbacks you. You talk to people around the Alabama program, and they talk about how smart he is. They talk about how he's been teaching the Alabama offense, to Bill, O'Brien wage, Down there, so right? Just in terms of all that, that's a great basis and it's something that the Patriots lacked, whether it was Cam Newton or Jerry students. Did them coming from the Baylor offense home and the Auburn offense, Mac Jones can do everything that the Patriots need to have done at the line of scrimmage and that is a huge key component in this offense and they got a guy who can do that. I am happy and I was happy for a couple of reasons. As you said. Number one, they didn't have to give up assets to move and draft the guy. Number two, they obviously had quarterback as the biggest priority and they actually drafted a quarterback in the first round. They invested in that guy and I just look at Mac Jones and we've talked about this Greg, I think he's a great fit now is he going to be incredible? I don't know how long he's a great fit. He checks a lot of the boxes that Belichick looks to check when he talks about quarterbacks about this draft tonight. When you look at Justin Fields, he obviously false. The way down to 11. There's a trade up by Chicago. Chicago drafts him in that spot where you surprised at all that Fields got down to 11:00 and we're, you surprised at all that Belichick didn't make a phone call, and didn't try to jump up. Okay, well, let's start with the, the early surprise pick which was trial and trailer over Mac Jones right off. You know, it wasn't totally out of left field. I thought they were going to go Mac Jones, but I could see why they went trail. And I don't know why in hindsight, they needed to give up all that they did for trade, Lance for guy who at least going to sit probably for a year if not too. That's an awful lot to go up there. But, you know, look, it's Kyle, Kyle, Shanahan show. He's going to do what he's going to do. So you know, I could talk to people around the Patriots at that time and they were they could be lying to me but they were not surprised to trade. Lance went to the Niners at number 3. So maybe they had an idea, maybe they had played them. Out. But as far as Justin Fields his drop, it's a it's a little bit surprising. I mean, look, we had talked about it before, I thought that the Panthers were going to take him if he was there. Now, then again, maybe maybe the Panthers didn't think JC horn who went to them or even passed her tan at the nightclub spot to Denver in a, you know, that was not a trade up. Maybe they didn't think the cornerbacks were going to be there and that if feels was on the clock, they would take him. But as far as the Patriot not trading up to get fields, Look, I think that the Bears gave up a lot. The Patriots to make that little leap. They could have done it. Does it do I think it gives us any indication how they felt about Fields? Not necessarily. I think, I think at the least, this tells us that they had fields in in Jones, sort of in the same area, but I think you and I talked about it before the draft in terms of the quarterbacks, I told you, she from my reporting that, I thought that the Patriots had three players Three quarterbacks that they would that they thought was worthy of the 15th, pick or higher, right. And I thought it was Lawrence. I thought it was Zach Wilson. And I didn't know for sure, but to me, I thought that Mac Jones was the third and and I agreed with that evaluation. That was my evaluation. I had Mac Jones. Third, I had Fields forth and I had Lan V. So, you know, I'm not, I'm not surprised the way things went down. I would say that my first indication, or first blush, at that to see, it is that I don't think the Patriots were crazy about Justin Fields. I think that they wanted Mac Jones all along, I think at some point in the process they realized they had a shot of them that the Forty Niners were not go all that way. And pay all that for a pocket quarterback, they wanted to try for some ceiling and they gambled and I think they won big time. Was such a different experience, and I'm sure that some of the people in the chat and I see you talking about, you know, Cam being awful last year, you don't pick a guy in the first round to sit. I'm sure we'll get into that in a few minutes. Matthew Jensen already. Looking forward to tomorrow about maybe moving up into the 30s. But but when you, you know, when you look at this, I'm sure the fans were watching and how many times Greg you and I joked about this you suck down and you said okay this is what Patriots fans want but it never happens. And as you're watching this board, I said to myself, you know, once you got to Dallas, I said the Patriots are going to have a shot at one of the two quarterbacks left. There can have it because how the board was falling. It just didn't make any sense. Unless Chicago and Washington jumped up, I didn't think both teams were going to jump up. One did Chicago for Fields but of course you know, obviously Washington did not. So, for the first time and I don't know how long Patriots, fans were sitting there. Thinking quarterback quarterback quarterback quarterback in there, watching Mac Jones and Mel Kiper has Mac Jones as his best available player, and I have to imagine that so many Patriots fans were sitting there going here, comes the trade down and we talked about it. You know, you'll get the 15. You'll have the quarterback on the board and Bill will trade down for an offensive tackle. And for the first time, Patriots fans were sitting there waiting for something to happen. I think many of them hoping for something to happen in Belichick. Actually did it. He stayed there, he did not move down the quarterback. Was there? The name was there. Any actually drafted? The guy in, by the way. Didn't take much time, did it? They got that pic in pretty quickly. Yeah, they did Nick. Be honest with me when I think it was when the Vikings were on the clock and they traded the pick when they traded the 14th pick. When you heard that there was a trade before, it was the name. That's where you like son of a Washington's going to jump up in front of the parents and take a quarterback I did. When I, when I saw the trade, I set up, you know, this is wrong. I could just hear people on on Boston radio tomorrow. Going crazy about how a team LeapFrog Belichick and Belichick wasn't aggressive enough and he missed out on his guy. The perfect fit for the Patriots off. A Washington, was able to do you know what what Belichick should have done. And so, yeah, when I saw it, I also want to say this before we continue to have the conversation. Did you notice? What's up with the ESPN? Not really I, in in, in a quick aside, we were dealing with some technical issues over at bsj, and which I apologize for, but yeah. So I, I was, let's just say, I was frantic around that. All right, so when you go back, I'm sure a lot of people saw this. When you go back, somebody in the ESPN Graphics Department screwed up. Big-time, because they forgot to put the Patriots on the clock, they had the Jets on the clock. And you know when they say the pic is in. Yep. Before the pic was even announced. I mean before they even got to it off the bottom of the screen, it said Mac Jones quarterback, Alabama to the Jets and you're going oh that's a mess up. He's they know he's going to New England and somebody, you know, had two quick of the of the truck and it was it was a huge gap by the ESPN people but but let's talk about Mac Jones now. Hang on 1. Second just one offshoot in terms of the timing of all this dog. Didn't you think it was interesting that the Jets jumped in front of the Patriots to draft? Elijah Vera, Tucker, the offensive lineman from USC? Who I think the Patriots liked them to me, that read that the Jets thought that the Patriots were going to take him at fifteen. Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but I do think he was in the realm of possibility, somebody that they somebody that they would have taken at fifteen. I just find it interesting that the Jets paid what they did to LeapFrog, basically, just the Patriots. Yeah. And Thursday, and, and make that pick. I just, I just thought that was interesting and worth noting. I agree in that, that was my second thought was, you know, waiting to see if Washington was the move, 2:14 a.m. then when the Jets jumped up, that's precisely what I thought Greg? I said, oh, they're leapfrogging the Patriots because the Patriots, you know, need a tackle, we've talked about that, Isaiah Wynn Trent Brown, you know, If those guys are healthy and they're motivated, they're fine at tackle, but we've had those conversations and I said, maybe the Jets know and so I started a wonder I started to wonder if Mac Jones was going to be easy pick, but then he asks, PN jump to the video of Mac on the phone and then they had their Graphics grew up and I said, okay he's going to go to the Patriots. So let's, let's look at Mac now. Strengths weaknesses, you said, you had your third quarterback on the board. What is what is so good about Mac Jones, that would make Belichick stick and pick at fifteen. I think number one, Nick. It's sort of what we talked about his mind and in terms of his processing his ability to decipher defense has supposedly has a photographic memory which is like the former quarterback around here. I think the thing that stood out to me when I watched the film and and looked to be honest, I went into Iraq and I remember thinking this and I might have even tweeted it and I'm sure somebody's trying to dig into my tweets to be like blue Bedard. Look what you were like, you know, I don't watch, I don't watch any college football during the year but, you know, your first thought about Jones is well, yeah, he was surrounded by an all-world team. I mean, what do you expect? And when I, when I sat down to watch the film, I I didn't want to buy into the hype. I wanted to be like him. He's just like those former Alabama. Quarterbacks like the the guy with the who's the backup, with the got my wife AJ McCarron and Greg McElroy in dog. These guys who are basically custodians, but when I sat down and I watched the film and I think I watched every throw that he had last year, I was really blown away and in a couple of things, stood out, phone number one, his footwork is unbelievable. He has this natural Rhythm getting back to pass and also you know, moving in the pocket, I saw a lot of passes wage was under a pretty good pass rush and delivered strike after strike. Now look is he perfect know. Does he look terrible? Sometimes when people are chasing him down because his feet are in cement wage, but there are other there's been a lot of quarterbacks in this league. A lot of damn good ones who who look that way. And I'm not when you're talking about the Patriots, we're not talking about Shaq and scheme or these other schemes where everyone's like, well, you know, you want the whole package, you want the movement and you want this, and you want that, it's great. It can fit in the Patriots game, but really, at the end of the day off, This league. I don't care what you do as far as running and mobility and things like that. At the end of the day, you're going to have to do what Tom Brady did in Kansas City to win that AFC Championship game, which is convert like five or six 3rd and Longs and you're not going to do that rolling out or anything like that. You're going to do that and shotgun two-step drop. Boom, get it out. Hit skinny posts against to man coverage all over the place and Mac, Jones can do that. He has been tested time and time again. I just think his his accuracy Under Pressure clean pocket. Yes, he had a bunch of good receivers around him Alabama. But the thing is, when you watch the film, they all make it. Look effortless and you watch other places people like Justin phone needs, you know, players before that were had a lot of talent around them. They you know, those receivers have to work a little bit but Mac it just seemed like everything was in stride. Everything was in time. I just think, I think he's the perfect quarterback for this system and now it's just a matter of time, in my opinion. Yeah. And let's be honest here every single her back in this draft, has a flaw. If not multiple flaws, and look at. I mean, you can make the arguments when Trevor Lawrence was playing his best football. Clemson was pretty loaded, okay, it's it's not like he was playing with a bunch of slobs. Yeah. I mean you look at these quarter but I mean Ohio state had some pretty damn good weapons, Chris olave. It's a really good wide receiver off and so you know we can go through all of it, we can talk about Justin fields and and the progressions and all that stuff and some of the questions about him, you're going to have certain questions. But you've got to look at the strengths as well. And listen, I said this before, the Patriots picked them, I've been saying it for the last couple of months. I do watch a fair amount of college football during the season and I like dog. Mike Jones. I was saying, I liked Mike Jones before he started to become flavor of the month last month or so, I think that he's a good quarterback. I think he's extremely smart. He's extremely accurate. He takes care of the football. Like you said, Greg, he manipulates the pocket with his feet. He can go north, south east west. He's not a supreme athlete, you know, he's not a supreme athlete. Okay, well, that's fine. You got to take the flaws with what he does. Well, and the idea of not having to move up to get him. I agree with you all the talk about Justin Fields, seems like it was a smokescreen wage. I think, Belichick knew he didn't want fields and you know, you gotta give credit where credit is due whether you love Mac, Jones, like them don't like them. Belichick read the board. He knew he needed a quarterback. He obviously liked Jones because he's not drafting a quarterback in the middle of the first round unless he's a legit quarterback. This you know Belichick's not going to reach for a quarterback at fifteen. He's just not going to he would have traded down numerous said, okay, well we like Mac Jones in the twenties, we like Mac Jones at twenty-five know, he stood there and waited at fifteen and said, no, we think he's good enough to use this, pick on him right now, and you've got to give Belichick credit because a lot of people, I saw it, you know, a lot of the pundits off the experts screaming and squawking that Belichick should move up, you gotta move up and get your guy ESPN as soon as it gets a Dallas at 10 was like, oh, you gotta start moving up, you got it, you know, Foxborough is going to be off on. Nope. He read the board, right? Mac Jones was his guy. He knows that he needs a quarterback. He felt like he was good enough to be drafted at that slot and he didn't move anything else. Didn't have to give up any assets so whether you like them, love them, hate us, Belichick read the board correctly tonight and did not give up anything to get his guy. I agree with that a couple other things off Jones, it's just interesting. That the only quarterback that Bill Belichick's on person was Mac Jones. So I think that's interesting and I don't know, that could be just a coincidence. I think they were leaning on Josh McDaniels a lot in this process along with, you know, Ziegler and and, and wolf and a couple of other guys, you know. But here's here's the, let's just give the other side of the coin on this because I do agree. He read the board perfectly. I think the question in, I think it's still worthy of asking, even if off the 49ers did what they did at number three and and getting tray. Lance the flip side of the coin will be in, in English. Sort of measure this. However, we measure this would the Patriots have been better off paying the piper to get Garoppolo before the draft, say, for a future second-round pick or something like that. Making the money work and spending fifteen on saving Collins or darrisaw or you know what have you whoever else went down. I'm just looking at the at the board right now, you know, jaelan Phillips, janene Davis I think Kadarius Toney and and going that route. But you know, I I think for now I think I think the Patriots are happy with the way it went. They read the board, right? And I think this is the right, I think he's look and I said this about the Forty Niners, possibly getting a, I think that Mac Jones is better than Jimmy Garoppolo or I think you will be in short order. Jimmy is a little bit better physically, but in terms of his mind and in and off, Staying on the field. Availability, I think that Mac Jones is, is better than Garoppolo at this point plus, he's younger. Yeah, and I see people saying, you know, who else was going to draft Mac Jones, but we don't know that, we have no idea, we have no idea. Here's the point Mac Jones in Greg has been saying this, he had Mac Jones as a fit for the Pats, he thought, and you said this, Greg that, you know, you didn't think they were going to be super aggressive and move up for guys. But you saw that sitting at 15, if one of the couple of guys that they liked and you mentioned Mac Jones. As you said, I think Lawrence and Wilson are the other two guys that they would like to have in this trapped? You know, you said there were three quarterbacks in the top fifteen picks that you could see the Patriots kind of justify that they would have those kind of grades on, yeah, right. The first half of the first round, they would have three guys at that position that they would have that kind of grade on. It was Lawrence and Wilson. And it was Mac Jones dead. Obviously, you can't get Lawrence, you can't get Wilson, so I don't know. Maybe if the Patriots traded down, somebody would have traded up and picked Mac Jones, maybe. If you know, they they didn't sit and pick and they moved down to Washington picks him at nineteen. I have no freaking clue. The point is they had him obviously are marked as a guy. It was their number one priority going into this Draft House. They're guy. Is it going to work out? I don't know. I like, um, I don't know if I love him, but I really like him. So, we'll see how it goes. Let's talk about Jimmy G, because I feel like you and I have spent so much time talking about Jimmy P on this podcast and we have like a sad tuber or something. Yeah. You you had said, one time you used the analogy that it was like, you know, the check was was looking from inside the house and Jimmy Garoppolo was in the back seat of the car and they were kind of waving at each other and, and just kind of trying to reach out and Belichick would have his hand on the log. No, and and Garoppolo at his hand on the back window, will finally, Greg tonight. It looks like that car in the front of the house drove away. Yeah, it looks like it. I mean, I, you know, I don't think that the dream is completely over it is for this year. Who knows what happens a year from now, you know, when Jimmy set free from San Francisco? You know, maybe Mac Jones is Fedor in cement and, you know, maybe Bill still brings him in anyways, because he's as guy and all that. But yeah, it looks like, you know, it looks like off, Jimmy's going to be the starter until he gets his ass. Sat went re. Lance is ready, whenever that is, and in that scheme, I think it can be pretty early. Look at RG3, he went from Baylor, which was one of the simplest offenses to running, that, and being offensive, Rookie of the Year. Trey, Lance can't do that after after I took up two first-round picks, you know. I would be surprised if Trey Lance does not play this season for the 49ers and then we'll see but they got the Patriots, got their Jimmy G and so now we can look forward to change the future and also you know before we leave we should probably talk about real quick about tomorrow. Yeah, that was what I was going to get into. A lot of people are looking at the board. Now they're looking at Players, I was surprised that J. Okay, is still on the boy, I love him from Notre Dame. I'm surprised that he still there. Barmore is still there. Interesting, Alabama, guide offensive lineman can pressure up the middle from the d-line, so let's just look at it. Elijah more. I know some people are bringing up, Elijah more in the chat here, they're they're going to be receivers receivers are deep. So when you look at the board grass, The pads are sitting there at 46. How do you feel about going into tomorrow night? Yeah. So they have 46. I mean I would not be surprised if they try to trade back and maybe bottom of the second pick up a third cuz they do have that 50 pick Gap from the second to where they pick in the third round and the compensatory area, right? But, you know, just in general about tomorrow, I think that I think that we're receiver is pretty deep tomorrow. I mean, there's, you know, whether it's Terrance Marshall from LSU or rondale Moore, Elijah more long brown from North Carolina Eskridge, I also think in this could be, if the Patriots don't trade back. Offensive tackle is, sweet. Spot coming up where you know they could get some guys later but you know you have like Mayfield and Carmen from Rabbits Brown eichenberger. In earlier good player. Tavern Jenkins die. Yep, yep. And also, I think the quarterback, it has some quality players on the board so I think I think the Patriots have a chance and I think we talked about this Thursday morning but you know a conversation I had with somebody recently was you know, around the Patriots was just like, you know, you want to come out with a couple of good players that can help us this year. Well, they got a quarterback first that will probably compete at some point in time sooner rather than later. Now, go find a guy now. Do you need a guy at tackle? This year, not necessarily, but it would be helpful cornerback. Could you use a guy this year? Yeah, I think so. There's a couple of linebackers out there also that are capable of playing early so I think the Patriots safeties as well. I think the Patriots have a chance if they start at 46 tomorrow to get another one of those guys that can really help them this year and I think that's the goal.

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04/26/2021 - HOUR 2 - Mock Draft

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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04/26/2021 - HOUR 2 - Mock Draft

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We thought that it was going to be lot trades last year but i do wonder if the circumstances that they were dealing with last year with the pandemic kind of made teams little more hesitant aggressive. Well something else. I read this weekend because a lot of good players opted out and didn't play this year. Yeah like rashawn slater northwestern. You're like we like him. But the article. I read it was a pro scout. That said don't be shocked. If guys that opted out not the top ten picks you start getting third and fourth round guys opted out and you may be the guy you liked his gone and one guy was willing to play games and one guy opted out and you sit in that draft room and a lot of guys are like give me the guy who played like. We always said if you wanted to opt out Right to right. But if i'm in a room with guys. And i'm sitting making the stations. Will you also have to look at the tape from the year before it's harder some guys you just don't know so i think it's going to be going to be a lot of stories. Yes and that'll be a great draft in our life. It'll be a draft and a lot of stories. And i don't remember this many quarterbacks being talked about in the top six or seven picks i mean one two three. We're getting quarterbacks. We know that already for sure. Yeah can't wait. all right. recall was right. Colin wrong brought to you by jersey. Mike saab good things come to those who added jersey. Mike the come to those who don't download the app. Skip ahead cut to the chase by jersey. Mike's be asaba above and here. We go where colin was right. Been saying this now. Some teams can manipulate the cap and it seems like they use a swiss bank and other teams. Can't how about the kansas city chiefs. They added orlando brown junior. A pro bowl left tackle. And they just been zillion dollars on joe tuna guard anti retail and travis kelsey. Na patrick mahomes it on the defensive side they pay honey badger a ton. And they pay frank clark catan. This is what you do. If you know what you're doing you just tampa bay's gm and brett via the chiefs gm know what they're doing. Look at their offensive line. How expensive is and they still pay a star receiver and a star tight end and a quarterback and a defensive. The chicago bears don't pay anybody and they couldn't afford kyle fuller at had to let him go the chiefs once again showing the half of this league i swear to god is having a good accountant because for kansas city to add another guy have to pay this guy a fortune over the next three or four years because he hadn't gotten paid yet and he is great where colin was wrong. I never understood. Mike tomlin for a long time. I didn't really get it. What what was the secret sauce. And then you start watching a win games with duck. Hodges he signed an extension last week a three year extension in it kind of came to me. He's got a believe system and a physical presence that he can take you through tough times. He has a winning record. Eighteen fifteen without big ben. Bella check couldn't win with cam newton. Nobody in this league can win with their backup. Except sean payton. And mike tomlin pete carroll before russell. Wilson got fired multiple times. Just took me a while to understand that. Big ben is a lot more drama than i ever thought and mike is the glue that holds it. Together you start hearing about big ben's lack of offseason preparation you see what he does with every backup. He's ever had winning record with dennis dixon. Duck hodges in your like. I get it as wrong. I get it. There's a presence and a belief system veterans buy into it and rookies buy into it and that's a. That's a hard line to thread there. Between the old guys in the young guys where colin was right zion williamson. I predicted will no end of his first year. He's a top twenty player in this league. I'm wrong it could be a top twelve. Could be a top ten first player since michael jordan. Listen to this to score two thousand points before his eightieth game the reality is folks he creates so much co watch all these moves. He is literally leaning in on everything. I'm surprised he doesn't leaning on free throws me. He's going to be karl malone he's gonna live at the free throw line. I said this before. He got drafted at. My biggest concern is actually can get better with the free. Throw line eight to nine a game and as we predicted he lives at the free throw line so he is. We thought he would be and faster even faster than i thought he would be. There where colin was raw. The dodgers do have a whole after all. I think it's the most town baseball team. Top to bottom. I have seen in twenty years. They're winning without cody bellinger and mvp but the bullpen against the padres team in two series is a real concern. They blew a seven one lead. Yesterday they played the padres seven times and there are three and four. They've blown five saves. Which is alarming. When you consider dammit lost many games so seventy. Seventy five percent of their losses are all in the back end of their staff and their bullpen. Now again san diego's real team. So it's it's. It's a team that you could meet in the nfl s. But it's a problem and i've said this before it's almost impossible to win a super bowl with a battle line. Kansas city chiefs left tackles. Hurt overwhelm really hard to win. A world series when you're leaking runs in the seventh and eighth inning. So it's something to work on where colin was right. Baker mayfield did not get a wedding ring. He got a pendant. And there's a big difference. He got a fifth year option. Picked up lamar jackson's going to get a contract extension josh allen. Going to get a contract extension thirty one games in mahomes got the wedding the car the house the they gave him a fifth year. Option up. what does that mean. It's still dating. This goes back to something. I've always set bakers obviously good enough dough to win a division and win a playoff game. Why are they waiting. Maturity that maturity is that they don't know if he can handle success they know it can throw they can win games then. We can win a playoff game. Why aren't they talking extension get. It's one thing. I kept pounding on it. They don't know if he can handle success. Last time he had little success he went out and did eight commercials put on weight and didn't have a good year where colin was wrong. I thought tom is going to be a disaster with the knicks. I'm gonna give myself a back to back weeks wrong folks. They've won nine straight longest streak in the league. Therefore seat in the east now join. I said it's a little like phoenix. The regular season means because they're creating a culture so the regular season. The knicks and suns are totally in their plan. There are soft. They're playing defense. I don't think it's going to translate to a massive west. Sons are not gonna fly through the western conference playoffs. I don't think the knicks are gonna fly through. But the truth is i was wrong. I never thought. Julius randle would be an mvp candidate. I thought was an efficient player. I never thought tibbs would work. I've never been a d rose fan. He's giving you fifteen off the bench. So i could be like four wrongs on this one. Rj barrett we. All thought was going to be pretty good. He's been exceptional. But you know this is a vivid oh has created a culture and the culture is play defense make people earn it and right now the knicks. I got to get this right. The knicks allow the fewest points per game in the league. And that's tips with a young roster to do that. That's tips where colin was rights new denver. Gm george peyton last week. We may draft a quarterback. We want a real quarterback competition here. Translation drew lock probably not long for the organization. Maybe plays the rest of this year He's to lose too casual makes too many mistakes. Listen there's a lot to like. He's got big army. Moves around very good. Athlete apparently was a very good basketball player. It's not like he's bereft of tante but this he reminds me a little baker sometimes likes his arm alot more than he should likes his town a little more than he should. And by the way it hurt. Baker is whole career until he got a really intense. Kevin stefanski said no more throwing thirty two. You're gonna throw at twenty six times. So maybe he can make it work if they can get a run game limit his exposure. But i think what the gm was saying is what i have felt for the last year. Which is i. Don't think in that. Division with herbert derek carr mahomes think he works where colin was. Raw james harden. I guess he is injured. I thought it was khanna. Smokescreen carried the team for a month and a half white kevin durant was out and then they brought him back in a minute. Durant comes back. He's like oh my hammy but last week. They said he had a setback. He's not going to plan to the playoffs. Still ten percent of me wonders. Guys never been hurt his whole career in a minute. Durant comes back. He suddenly has a bad hamstring but Whether it's true or not take a wrong. And i also think honestly it's the right move absorbed said when you have like two or three stars in the team lakers brooklyn philadelphia is doing this or giving. Ben simmons some nights off if you're gonna win sixty percent of your games and not not lose your too much your playoff seeding without playing your veteran stars who can be brittle than take it off. It's the downside to a condensed schedule. I don't think players will take this many games off next year. I don't think the reality is loaded team's veteran players. They're they're resting until draft is over ploughs or close where colin was right. I'm gonna take a ride on this knicks ariana's not gonna work as coach of the eagles. So he came out in his first. Press conference was uncomfortable. It was not good. And then last week i think he tried to double down on it until you claverie was and and i just. I don't like this. i'm not gonna watch his too uncomfortable goals. I played a couple of rock paper scissors right. That was easy. Is that rock paper scissors. Let's see how competitive you are. I'm competitive. I'm going to be talking trash strom. Did you talk back to me right. Jeopardy. there's different ways to do. It looks a lot of different ways. But our coaches got so creative with this like anything you can compete with somebody. That's competitive. They're going to go atune no matter what no matter. What game plan. I don't like any of this honestly if you did this. Just don't tell me. I don't wanna hear your general manager literally put his head down when you said that he was embarrassed. I this last week. If i said something. And you're embarrassed about it. You put your initial things to just like not make eye contact with people. The gm's like a boy. And i wanna make contact. They may i know. I sound like i've just given up on this guy but i'll say it right now. I feel bad for jalen. Hurts and bad. British on watson and in bad for jared goff. Those teams are finishing last in my life. I've never known exactly. Three teams are finishing last. This early last place. Put it in one win a beard a bar. Eagles ll asked texans last lines last. Can you imagine going from the rams cam. Akers sean mcvay. Andrew whitworth and like four really good receivers and just a culture of l. a. And the weather and the culture in the fun and the detroit. I feel sorry alison. I love a good game of rock paper scissors milwaukee. I'm in job interview. And they're like let's i want to see if you're willing to compete for these ratings rock paper scissors. I would say. I'm gonna go work at the bravo network working here. I don't know what you're getting out of it. I don't think it's funny because my wife worked in. Hr for years years and years ago and what they do interviews and you know you're always looking for eye contact and stuff. You don't really have to get clever. That's the thing if you sit down and talk with people you can t. I could talk when we were thinking about bringing you on gov a coffee talk for fifteen minutes people show you exactly who they are just believe you don't have to go into play twister or jeopardy. You really don't. I mean seriously. You don't know it's not that difficult. Listen there's many ways to do things and people should always be looking for new ways to you know evolves at a press. I don't think that rock. I just i feel comfortable saying rock. Paper scissors is a good evaluation of anything about a person other than like design. By the way. I go paper all the time because people love rock and i cover it. I'm goggle paper nine chatterjee. Yeah i always go paper paper. Everybody thinks rock and scissors weapons in there and go paper and you got a fifty percent chance to beat the rock. I read your mind so okay well. That's a strategy have never been able to employ all right peter schrager. I'm gonna do a mock draft. I love doing these. I've done three or four. I've used a scout. Forget who i use the for. Oh joel klatt came after so schrager. He's the mall of all the people. I've done mock draft with. He's the most tied in meaning his mock draft. It's an information based so are we doing what's going to happen or what you would do. We're going to predict what's going going to happen. Predictive one this is. I think it's a predictive ones. 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It's more efficient. Save money visit. Tankless made simple dot com. All right fox sports. Nfl reporter also works at the nfl network. He's very employed. Peter schrager is now going to join me live so we're going do a mock draft. We may go sixteen pictures. I've used scouts have used a couple of scouts. I use joel klatt. But you're different because you're an information guy who i trust so we're going to do this. Draft based on. What we think is going to happen are both of us have information. We're trying to do a draft. We think this is what it's going to look like thursday by the end of the night. So are you ready to go colin. I've never watched a piece of tape. I don't grind the tape. I don't think i'm a scout. I am an information man. Let me tell you what's gonna happen. Not what i think i would do. Let's roll dude. All right you get the number one. Pick peter schrager. Go ahead you start at the card has been in the jets. Beat the rams in la back. In december urban meyer would still be hanging out at the studios if it wasn't for this one. It's trevor lawrence overall the perfect prospect. No doubt about it. What do you got number. Two with the jets. Alright right now. What i would do. I think his size worries me. He's a little bit of an ad. Liber played great competition They don't have a great old line. But i think the jets again. This car has been for a while last two months. We'll take zack. Wilson very good arm very good athlete quarterback byu. I still think he looks small. I worry outside a left. Tackle about the jets align. They haven't been very productive at tight end the the receiving cores better. They don't have backs. It's going to become a very zack. Wilson reliant offense. Good luck with that. I'll take him. The jets will take him to sound very enthused comfort three nine spans. Buckle up. i'll tell you trae. Lance worked out for them on monday. In blue blew away. They loved them and Everything you're hearing is accurate. They're very interested. The pick with the third overall pick in the nfl draft will be mack jones out of alabama niner fans. Don't come at me. i swear faithful. I know it's not the popular pick and overruns cringing at this one but a lot of gm's not just the ones i speak to in the top ten say. This guy is a no brainer for san francisco. He's the pick number three or number four atlanta. I've made the argument. That derek carr and matt ryan or not the issue the rest of the roster's the issue. I don't think they take a quarterback. I do think i hear. They're picky but i do think they'd moved down but i think they go with the best pure talent in the draft. Kyle pets this head. Coach has a tight ends before his specialty. I think he's an instant seventy-five catch six touchdown player. I the falcons have town at wide. Receiver an offensive line. That's not the issue. Arthur smith elevates matt ryan plus kyle pets. It's my best. Guess i could be totally wrong. But i do think he's the best pure guaranteed talent in the draft and that is something for a first year. Gm this is. This is the one picking your career. You're guaranteed not to miss the first non quarterback off the board. You go kyle pits. It brings cincinnati at five. And i will tell you all my information right now on. The bengals is this. I've got connections in that organization. They have not made that decision. It is between two players if they're both they're sewell. The big offensive tackle idaho oregon and then jomar chase the wide receiver at an lsu. Who took last year off but was with joe burrow and had twenty touchdowns two years ago. The coach zac taylor is offensive. Mind you can get tackles in the second round. I am going jomar chase out of lsu pairing in with joe burrow when they had a ridiculous eighteen hundred yards twenty touchdowns season the last time they played together. All right. let's go back as a reporter. What are you top. Five top picks trevor lawrence to jacksonville. Zack wilson to the jets. Mack jones going to the forty. Niners the falcons take kyle pits and jim are. Chase is going to the bengals. The reasons i gave you the first pick. Because i don't want to touch the lions miami's interesting so they've already got two receivers. I like an tight end. I like in a running back. I like and they went and got left tackle. Do they go wide receiver. Do they go offense if line is i. This is this is. This is my tough pick. I don't know what they're going to do. I'm going to guess here by the aggressiveness that they went up in the draft. They take jalen waddell. And i have no confidence the wide receiver by the way their nfl people that like him more than devante smith. Bigger receiver again. Now you got willfuller. Devante parker jalen wattle the tight end. Seki yeah you get to a point with them now if they'll know by thanksgiving onto like if you can't win with this group. We can't score. We got the wrong quarterback. You're absolutely right. They also have an offensive lineman they can pick in the eighteenth overall selection and then you also have a guy like hunt around. I feel like they're set at linemen. Wide receiver makes sense which leads to detroit. Trade trade trade. Anybody wants us pick. Nobody wants this. Pick six picks the entire drafts early. This is bleak if they're sitting here at seven. Gimme panay sewell at seven. If he's just sitting there. I it's not a home run pick. I don't think it's anything that detroit fans are going to go bonkers with. Love taylor decker over there. What they did with him this offseason. They like frank rag now. I guess i'm not doing flips over this. If i'm alliance fan all right. I have the eight pick carolina. They have two huge needs corner they could get. Jc hornhues moving up the draft. But i do think left. Tackle that concern. They're all lines okay. It's really not good left. Tackle i'm gonna go slater northwestern opted out. You could move him inside out. But i do know. They spent some money on a center. There right tackle. They like this. Gives sam darnold. They've got receivers. They like they just went and got a tight end from arizona. Christian mccaffrey's a star. You get this left tackle. Then you can go back to the defensive side of the football and fix that secondary. That's my guest there. Slater sean slater panthers. Eight to protect sam darnold. He's a great kid. He plays left or right. You can actually move on the inside. If you need a solid selection which gives the broncos the choice of either trae lance or justin feels thinking about. George peyton. I don't know if they wanna do a huge long project with lance and yet fields. I don't know if that makes sense it. I'm going to go with the big gamble. I think they'd be happy with it. North dakota state quarterback trade lance goes ninth overall to the denver broncos. My i talked to trae lance about that. He likes denver. It's not that far from where up. Not far right. Minnesota denver colorado all right cowboys ten. We know what they need. Defense kyle is off the boards or jerry's not happy i'm gonna go. Jc horn hyper aggressive corner. Dad joe horn you could go him or 'certain i i mean you could go either one in the room. He is a playmaker. he's physical defends. The run played in the best conference. Not on the best roster so he was more valuable to his team. Jc horn of the cowboys. In this simulation. Justin field is sitting on the board at eleven. I just like to keep that in mind when everyone's talking about these mock drafts. Were these quarterbacks are going field not going to the giants to me. It's devante smith patrick ser tan or maybe mike parsons who is a talented player at linebacker. Giants need that. I'm gonna go with the alabama corner. Patrick ser tan. Goes eleven to the new york giants. They came over devante smith. Which would be a shocker. And a lot of circles here up in new york. Okay joy give us an update. Six through eleven. Okay well we had to march at five jalen waddles. The dolphins to the lions sean slater to the panthers. Trailer goes to the broncos at nine jc horn to the cowboys and eleven. Patrick sudan to the giants now by the way good now now now i do think new england's going to trade up at this point i do. I think they're going to go to seven but we're not playing that game today. We're guessing what we have philadelphia. The eagles have the eagles have so many issues. They could use edge. They could really do anything you know. I'll i'll throw it out there. I think they're going to go. Get the best defensive player in the draft to say. Mike parsons by how okay. Listen to have sleigh. So they have a lockdown corner and this is a good corner draft so they can go get a corner later. The left tackle. Virginia tech scares people. Today need austin vera tucker. They're old in the offensive line. I think they like receivers but now hold on tonight. Can i come back to the monday. Sit there if you want them to my bad. i'm gonna go devante smith a wide receiver. This is what happens in the mock hasn't been taken yet. I'm going to go devante smith a wide receiver. They went and took a wide receiver in the first round last year. Slower developing player on a tcu. Listen to a they're gonna make sure jalen hurts is going to work. They gotta get him playmakers. You got to find out if this guy comply. So i'm gonna go devante smith twelve eagles. It makes a lot of sense. jalen hurts. Played with them at alabama before. I transferred to oklahoma. Devante smits heisman trophy winner. he's falls to twelve. it's great thirteen chargers. they gotta protect justin herbert. They did a good job already in getting an obviously the center. Corey lindley picked up another guy guard from the steelers. I think go with elijah vera tucker out of usc and they'd be happy with that pickett. Thirteen yeah he played guard he was all conference and then they didn't have a left tackle last year. They slid over he was great by the way. Also no red flags quality guy kid wouldn't be shocked to the giants may go there if maybe both corners are off the board. He's a great kid. All right. vikings. Mike zimmer last year didn't have a preseason they mike zimmer defensive guy they got nothing but offense over there they got two great young receivers one one young adam feeling. They got a star back. They're all align better than it was five six years ago i think edge rusher jalen phillips. A kid out of miami rousseau's dropping in the draft. He pays hit and miss depending on who you talk to. I think they go. Jalen phillips mike. Zimmer need to pass rush in division with aaron rodgers twice a year. Go look at their schedule. Who they play some veteran quarterbacks. They're gonna heat. Zimmer is a really good coach and last year between injuries and free agency. The defense was an embarrassing mass. Especially early. He goes. Ed dresser with neil hunter and remember danielle hunter. He's going to have a contract soon. As you're gonna pay him hundred million dollars what are you gonna do with him. This is a smart pick. If phillips is the number one guy. I would also say offensive line as possible for minnesota. That's what the rumors is fifteen. Put the card and it's been in. I mean it's unbelievable works out. This just feels as the next patriots quarterback and they don't have to give up next first round. Pick justin fields justin field. Justin fields celebrate and foxborough. You got cam. And now you've got this guy who's going to be the parent and i. It is a clean clean draft prospect. Here everyone seems to want to pick apart things but you can't say anything. Tangible negative against the kid did not lose a game in the big ten has. The huge arm runs a four four. Forty which is as fast as a forty. We'd known quarterback and from all things i've heard. Yes he lost out to jake from at georgia. This is a good player. A good leader and a guy that who players have played for and coaches who have coached him all speak volumes about if he slips a fifteen at could be the draft. Everyone's going to be kicking themselves. Arizona does stuff we can never figure out bright so they can take. They can take an edge rusher quitting but they already went and got. Jj watt and chandler jones now and they could use a linebacker but last year. They got simmons. So i'm going to throw a crazy one up. There's a quarterback out of northwestern because a lotta people have concerns about the virginia tech corner his back his back and they do need a corner. How about the kid. From northwestern who is the best first or second best corner in the big ten. I don't have it on my sheet. I think greg. Greg greg newsome's name i think it's a solid pick colin. Can i throw it some other names for you for the cardinals. Obviously i'm connected with a lot of these teams. I feel like the way they've been aggressive. I if one of those wide receivers falls great. Don't be shocked if they go linebacker. And it's parsons even collins but also najji harris could be an interesting position there. They don't have a running back. They do not have a feature running back and many other teams. That need one cardinals. Do need one. So you tell me. Greg newsom stinks as a pick. Okay how do okay hold on right here. Right joy on a take. Open up the phone lines. I'm going to go pay michigan. Because i think steve crimes i think. Jj watt old chandler jones. I think he's a in. That division was stafford face. Russell wilson i gotta face garoppolo. I want an abundant to pass. Rushers quickly pay arizona. I don't know what arizona's doing so joy recap twelve through. Sixteen the eagles vantera smith. The chargers get elijah vera. Tucker the vikings take jalen phillips the patriots get justin feels. I haven't made any moves and the cardinals take quick. How was arizona's a hard figure like detroit. Too hard figure who knows what detroit is gonna do i. I'm doing a commercial for detroit here. If any team is watching this right now. The choice phone lines are open. Just trade something offer something you never know offer. Because i don't think they want to stay at seven. They have only six six. The lions would love to trade back. I think the panthers would be interesting decision whether they go offensive line corner. What you said or quarterback if fields atlanta there and then if the broncos are at nine fielder lance if they're both sitting there it's fascinating. What a fun board you know it is you get. It's these players in about five. Others are the ones that are going to go. We all kind of know the twenty two guys that are going to go in the top fifteen. You kind of have a sense. But like the chargers for instance are sitting there. They need a coroner would love jc horn. And if he's there they'll take him but they haven't left tackle issues so so much fun all right and i love it. I cannot wait for thursday. Giving great. And i think this year because the medical information so up in the air and it is and there was no combine. And there's very little scouting going on on the ground. It is a crap shoot. We've never seen before if you're at home and you wanna be a gm. This is the year to play along because honestly there's no intelligence beyond what the most basic stuff is. That's out there on film shrugs your great. Thanks buddy i love it dude. Thank you. I saw somebody this weekend crapping on people who do mock drafts we're talking about. I read any bloggers mock draft. I go to all of them. I don't care tough. i don't know what detroit's that's why gave schrager detroit. What they're doing. I mean obviously. If you're if i was you know i've always said outside of an occasional john elway or andrew locker trevor lawrence. I'd always write down. I would trade down every year in the first round every year. Yeah i mean it's just it's better to have more options than we love talking about the draft evaluated. But we really aren't going to know what any of these are truly going to be in so three years from now so why not have more. Yeah good stuff. We'll get into her line. News and the second short catch live editions of the heard. Weekdays at noon eastern not am pacific on fox sports radio s one and the iheartradio app. Hey i'm john. Middlekauff host the three and out podcast. Do you like football. Do you like the. Nfl do you like the nfl. Draft quarterbacks coaches. Well i talk about it all on the show. I used to work for andy. Reid is a scout. Now i give you my unfiltered and raw opinions on everything that goes on the nfl. 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Shanahan said to one jones but many in the personnel department having pushing for lance so shanahan may acquiesce to the scouts. Ooh pick but the decision is not final. Schrager told his trae. Lance had a workout with the niners and blue moi was great. Yes yes this report is from. Todd mcshay i. I don't know. I feel like it's going to be matched jones. I think that i subscribe a little to your theory earlier that you know you kinda wanna make it. Seem like you're looking at everybody and this is just the choice. You didn't just narrow in on one guy. It's not safe to do that at any position. Unless it's someone like carpet chase young. Cayo pits trevor lawrence. The consensus must have in the draft. Anytime you're outside of that space you wanna be like. We were flexible. We were looking at this but we got some information at the last second. You know we did the best. We could evaluation at the time. Don't all of our financial advisers always tell you diversify. He never wanted to put all your chips and it sounds great but you can look really foolish. Well if a little bit of optics yes. But i do believe you should also do your due diligence like you don't want to just all in love and then stop looking at everything else and stop evaluating everything else is because this is like the guy that you want the most because a lot. They can happen every single day. I mean stuff on draft day that makes guys drop so you know. There's there's a lot that can happen between now and thursday on thursday. But i don't know i don't see with mac jones but if he if he goes they're going to have some success because it's college but i do think it's also interesting. What will happen with jimmy g. because there are some talks that could be traded after they take this pick. So if you go with someone. Like mac jones who many feel like is a little more pro ready obviously trailing play last year although i think he has more talent upside do they move. Jimmy d they take lance this year. I don't know but there's gonna be some amazing stories that come from the straps andrade and there's so many things to watch so many new things to watch next year. We gotta watch what the jets are going to do. What's going to happen with them. The forty niners jacksonville and urban meyer. There's so many new coaches it's going to be a wild. Nfl season. so the cowboys especially jerry jones. A very high on kyle pits. Who isn't but with the tenth. Pick that have to make a move to get him. And according to rappaport dallas is unlikely to trade up for pits or for anyone else if they do make a trade. There's a better chance they trade down ten picks in the draft. Obviously this would be amazing television. It's fantastic now. Falling to ten would be dramatic but a lot. There's a lot that can happen in some trades that can be made. Listen could cause that they can solve at ten if they go because they draft last couple years. They got a young corner. They like you can solve a lot of your problems you know like last year. carolina said. We're going all defense. So has ten picks if dallas took eight to nine on defense with dan. Quinn you can. I'm not saying you're going to solve all of them. But i did like what carolina dealing year and they say listen. We're so bad on that side. that's all we're doing. I could see dallas saying outside of may be an old lineman. they're getting all getting creaky. I can absolutely see dallas going to take eight of our picks on defense number ten. Take a corner if you start looking where there. Drafting in these drafts. You can do a mock draft dallas and having them getting a leak corner a really solid edge or another corner. They when you're when you're a top ten pick you're getting again. You're getting starters you should dallas. Should get three starters defensively out of this draft. If you look at if you look at what the draft offers most people thinking about halfway through the fourth it gets a little soft. Well that means dallas should get three starters in a guy a rotation guy with their picks of competence is available at ten take of course and then thank god for blessing. You on this draft day right. If he's not they should absolutely go defense and use as you said a lot of their picks on defense they were twenty eighth twenty eight scoring defense twenty third in total events. They gave up the most points in franchise history last year on the side of the ball. When dad was healthy they were third and scoring offense. I in total offense. I in passing offense. That's the first four weeks of the season. Jack injured in in week five. That's obviously not a huge sample size. But when dad was healthy the offense was not the side of the ball that they had issues on. Sean leaders announced his retirement. They definitely need help on the defensive side of the ball should go heavy defense so big you have fight this weekend's kamara oestmann beat horry maoz vidal in. You have to sixty one. It was a very impressive knockouts. That was trending on all over social media because it was very dramatic. They had some amazing pictures of the knockout. Second round it's like you. Freeze frame is sweat flying everywhere this is now a fourth straight title defense and his fourteenth straight. You have see. Victory was the second longest streak and you have see history so he is dominating now nineteen one. No is a record. Only anderson silver silva had a longer winning streak and you have see history sixteen streak two thousand six thousand twelve but this was this was a big time fights. A lot of people in tendons and it was it while it was short in the second round. It was very dramatic. Very few empty seats. In jacksonville lot of people have been vaccinated and the ones who have said. I'm going to go watch that fight. That's one of the pictures of the fight. It's an amazing picture. If you haven't seen it it's You know he's such a. He's such a dominant fighter. Like this was a rematch. Anyway when beat mazda mississippi pretty one sided fight fifty one last july. So this was the rematch but he he is just. He's fighting so dominant right now and as such an amazing story you're finding. Ufc is in its infancy if compared to all the other leagues. You're getting some superstars. You're finding some people here on both men and women you know again any spor. Yeah yeah. so you're you're getting. You're getting the appointment you see as you're starting to see some stars emerged like now this is much more. Most of the titleholders are global citizens. They're not domestic international. And so you're starting this. This sport is taking off now in some countries and the quality of the fighter is is getting much much better yet is good stuff here joy. 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2021 NFL Draft Preview Special ft. NFL Insider Shane Peacher (Ball & Buds Podcast Episode #12)

Ball & Buds

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2021 NFL Draft Preview Special ft. NFL Insider Shane Peacher (Ball & Buds Podcast Episode #12)

"Water what up friends and welcome to the ball in podcast. I am your host omar on secca and there's always thank you for tuning in. I am excited today. We have our special guest and f. l. insider. Shane teacher is back to help us. Break down the twenty twenty one and f. l. draft which is coming up this friday. So yes sir. We are excited. But i you know how we like to start thinking here on the ball and buds podcast with omar's overture slush. Kick this bad boy off. Yes sir. The jeff has been on showed emo p. and so we learned from all the musical chairs that have been happening with all the trades in different moves heading into the draft. We had a couple of trades. Right we that three way little fiasco with the forty niners and the dolphins and then the dolphins and the eagles and then today we had another trade with orlando brown going to the chiefs to protect mahomes from the conference rival which was really weird but you know whatever but anyways with all this it has been a world wind and the draft is gonna be. I'm telling you it's going to be some intriguing. Tv especially the first few rounds for years though personnel from teams in. The nfl have always been wondering if they really needed to combine right. If they really needed to be in person in indianapolis right. This was always spot of contention for a lot of coaches and other personnel. So this offseason to wrench into those plans because there was no combine so we really just had the pro days in virtual stuff teams watching video and all that good stuff and teams did their work they still did all the virtual they still did the pro days they still. Did you know as many medical exams and things that meeting with prospects over zoom as they could but you know it's never the same as in the setting of a lot of other players trying to get the same thing it just brings that energy and things like that but i'm not a personnel coach. So i don't have to travel there to do it either way for many. The super bowl is usually the end of the season. But not for people like my guest. Today and myself it actually just signifies the beginning of the draft season and i have been skeleton the rookies for the incoming class. You know. we've been looking at the depth charts for the teams to see what they need. And we are going to talk about it. All we are going to get into the quarterbacks all the quarterbacks to could go in the first round we're getting to the other top positional as well to figure out what all the teams may do in the draft world's going to look at slides best fits we're going to look around the top ten. Try to figure out some things. There will also talk about. Obviously my raiders in shane peaches washington football team. We gotta talk about them as well and so yes sir with the draft approaching. I know that i am ready. And i know that our guest today on the ball in buds podcast. I know how ready he is. Well he is one of the most incomes iast. Nfl draft experts around the he knows everything about the draft studies. It he loves it. I say let's do this. Let's get ready on. Yeah i no without further ado f. l. experts shame teachers back on the show with us today. My brother how are you doing doing good my friend. It is christmas week for me. And let's talk some draft. Yes sure let's get into this so we can be fairly certain that we know pretty much. What the first two picks are going to be right. We know. Trevor lawrence is going to be number one. Obviously and you may have a differing opinion. But i think the consensus at this point. Is that the jets are going to pick. Zack wilson. now we'll get to that in a second. And if the fans at home haven't been paying attention it's possible. We get three quarterbacks in the first three picks it's possible we get four quarterbacks in the first four picks shoot it possible. We give five quarterbacks in the first five picks probably not gonna happen but probably going get at least five in the top nine top ten again. It all starts up top with. Trevor lords considered to be one of the best quarterback prospects ever the other quarterbacks have some concerns wilson fields lance jones. So we have lawrence. Dick is going to be a superstar. And then four other quarterbacks who have really good potential probably won't see any other quarterback until day two or three unless we get a call tracker kellerman the late first or day to probably more gay to though it is clearly top heavy quarterback class so we will see eye to see how these quarterbacks paying out they all do have question marks. So who do you think our dear friend. Dion clubs is san francisco forty niners traded at king's ransom for trade up to pick. Who do you think they did as for my friend tell us tell us well my friend. I think it's a coin flip. And shockingly i think. It's between matt jones in trae lance justin fields is out of the picture. I believe my friend. I think he is out of the picture. And i think and if you listened to mel kiper podcast. Yesterday he agrees he thinks. There's no chance that justin feels goes to the niners. He thinks he's eliminated from that option. Wow really what was his reasoning. Mind that his reasoning was he. Just here's that. They love. Mac jones trae lanson a fifty fifty coin. Flip wild good intel. there. I didn't even hear that one because i was thinking it was still between fields in lance. Or i'm sorry fields land mac three of them. I didn't know that they. They eliminated fields but those rumors that have been going around for a while now is that they were infatuated with mac jones. We we don't know who they traded up all right. 'cause they traded up for one of the best remaining. Qb's right whoever's leftover they don't know we all pretty much think we know what are your percentages for each of these players to possibly go to the forty niners. Oh i actually really think it's fifty fifty. And i think it's crazy by the niners because i'm no stout but i just don't see how you can trade all those picks for mack jones. And i could be wrong. I could be wrong. I thought quarterback. We're going to be good stock. And i mean kyle. Shanahan is a great quarterback guru so he may be right. I just don't see the upside to trade debt. Many picks for mack jones. I'm sorry yeah. I completely agree. So look if you wanna take jones great. But what was the point of trading up unless they had some kind of intel that someone was going to take him ahead of them which. I don't think there was anyone that was playing to. Then this absolutely like you said does not make any sense now. I mean i saw meg. Jones's pro day. He has a really good arm is accurate played at alabama which obviously brings a good pedigree. But he's not as mobile as the other quarterbacks. So you you believe. It's going to be trae lance though even though it's fifty fifty fifty or do you not wanna think i'm kind of leaning towards jones from what i'm reading man and it just it seems like he loves these type of quarterback i mean just look at kirk cousins man. He's in fact. Waited with kirk and grow. How long. yeah and jimmy g right. But that's what i'm saying. You're trading up for a guy that might be a little bit better than jimmy g. Right and the thing is it's not just trading up its trading up as high as they did and giving up as many pixes they did like. I just don't see how it could be mac. I don't but like i said kyle shanahan is the grew here so i'll let it be down it and tell you that i hate it but i'm not saying that it's the wrong choice. Okay so let's say that goes one. Wilson goes to say that for just the sake of it that we go with what you hear in dago. Jones at three which will be crazy. But let's just throw a wrench here. Then where do you think landfields goes and or if you think it's going to be lanced. Where jones and fields go. Oh that's the crazy part. If matt goes to san francisco at three then. I think man that six spot were miami's at is a tradeable spot. You know what. I mean because you or detroit too because i think if trae lance spell the carolina even though they made a trade for quarterback i think i can see carolina taken them eight and no doubt. Denver would take them if he falls to denver. Yeah that was actually my next question for you so we all do know that. There are quarterback hungry teams new england denver colorado and your team the washington football team. Who could you most likely to see trade up and then who would they be getting well as far as training up if it was somebody going to number four which i can see happening. I see like a new england or denver doing that. I don't see washington trading up that high. But let one of those two quarterbacks slide down to round the seven actually washington really jumping up and or the new england patriots. But let me. Just say this. If it's high like number four where out. I think new england there's a chance they jumped to four and they they're willing to give up everything you saw. They did in free agency man. I think they're all in and washington. Though if one of them to lance or fields falls to like seven to where detroit set. I think you can see us. Try to trade up at that point. Ooh very nice. And i know you had mentioned denver earlier too. Because i could see them definitely trading to possibly or maybe fields if he's air four right because they're number nine so it's not that high of a jump right. And why do we think we think they need a quarterback right. I do but. I don't think they're as desperate and there's lots of players are going to be there at nine now. I think if one of them falls to nine. They're going to draft one was that makes sense. Yeah yeah so. Who would you have them dropped noma balkans like i said at nine. There's going to be a lot of them. Guys available more like one of the big wide receivers. Maybe even a penny sold offensive tackle. They'll be there. They need some defense. Patrick ser tan the second. I mean there's a lot of people that could be there. I mean it's up in the air. Like i said i think it depends on how the draft falls definitely so i actually have a few questions there on a follow up. I want to know where you think. And i'm gonna hit you with a couple a few positions that you let me know where you think the top players in those positions are going to go okay. Okay now with the running backs to winning. Back classes extremely top-heavy. We only have the two top running backs. Najji hairs and travis. Eta in the only true three down backs who should be starting day one. You shouldn't be shocked to hear both of their names in the first round after that is a steep drop off. So what do you think about the running my friend you know me. I don't like the running back in the first round. I don't care who you are these days you can find them in the fifth sixth seventh round so najji harris in the first round. No i think they'll go in the first round. Because i think team like buffalo. That's pretty you know stacked everywhere you know what i mean. And they need running back help. That could be a spot at number thirty. Oh there you go yeah. That's not a bad idea. It also okay. What about wide receivers remember last year. My brother when we had thirteen wide receivers go off the board and the first two rounds man. We ain't gonna get that this year but a are very very good up top the top three jomar chase devante smith jalen wattle woo. They are all superstar potential. And there's a couple other good ones in there. Rashad bateman from minnesota produce wanda more terence marshall from lsu cadaverous tony from florida to atwell from louisville excetera etc. We've got big wide receiver. So what do you think about the wide. Receivers my friends do. There's a whole bunch of wide receiver going. I think Jim you can see jomar chase at number five to cincinnati or you know devante smith number seven to detroit if they don't trade. I mean the wide receivers in this draft. Our great ouattara. Miami waddled the miami. Maybe who knows. Oh yeah they're you know they they need somebody for two. Yeah i was like you said though jomar chase to to the bengals if they don't i don't take suo which i think they could as well for protection for burrow burrow to chase that would that would be crazy. Yeah would be them coming back and playing together again from college to the pros and a lot of people forget how good chase was last year. Man he sat out this year but man he was the consensus number one receiver before sitting out this season omar so two more two more positions. I got for you cornerback. We're the top cornerback. Go oh man. I hate to say it. I think Ser tan does to dallas at ten. That's the number one guy in my book and what about fairly. That was the other guys. Barely twenty three to the jets. Man i think he is a first rounder. But he's on that french he's been projected anyway anywhere really. I mean between ten. And andy's been up and down everywhere in there but i do agree now. That with sir tan's father saying that he should play with the cowboys for some reason. I don't think they want pits. But that's a. That's a pipe dream that i happen. Jerry jones can dream up as many sugarplum fairies as he wants him in be. My dad will be disappointed. Jerry jones can do to atlanta and watch hits play. Because that's where. I think he's going back then. They're perfectly segues into my next question. We both have pitched going at four so you said to me earlier and earlier conversation that you think the draft effectively starts at number four with atlanta. So you got pits. What happens after that. After pits or i mean yeah talk about pitch a little bit you if you want because i think is the best pass catcher in the draft and number four is a good spot for them. I mean i think this guy can be a number one stunner in the nfl. My friend i mean this guy is a top notch tied in as you know having a top notch tied in is a huge advantage in the nfl. Right now i mean look all the all the top tight ends in the league and it seems like they roll. I mean they. They just seem to have advantage there. Like all the teams with top guys haven't managed there chelsea waller right and the thing is like he. He seems more athletic. Darren waller to me. And i'm like damn waller already. Good bangash what six six gs the body of a of a tight end and plays like a receiver. So it's like oh he's going to be crazy but yeah so we just talk a little bit about cincinnati. Then what do you think about the rest of the top ten after that. Cincinnati see. this is where it gets rough. Cincinnati right you said saul chase. Do you think it could be anybody else. There is one of those two. It's one of those two men. And i don't think trade now i think they're gonna get old boy a weapon either to protect them or a weapon for down the field in a wide receiver. Miami i. I think they're going to go with receiver as well for two definitely. I think so. And then detroit and seven is. That's that's the trade spot for one of the quarterbacks that drop i think i think you gotta get ahead ahead of denver for sure if you want one of them to quarterback so washington chicago makes that trade. Oh yes i love it too because seven is detroit eight is carolina. And what does that have to do washington. Well the general manager is used to be with detroit. And then obviously you know. Coach was with carolina exactly ronnie rivera with carolina. One of those those connections you could easily mega-trade up for is what you're saying you're correct and you gotta jump ahead of denver. I think because. Like i said i don't think denver's desperate but if one of them falls it's elway you know. La is gonna have his wave way and get a quarterback. I think you always know. You'll always reach for quarterback no matter what exactly is to the top jan. Do you have any thoughts on the rest of the rest of the top ten. I like i said you know how the draft is. It's a it's a crap. Shoot so i mean. Guys like sir town Elijah vera talker. Parsons guys like that. I think will go. I'm hoping if we stay at nineteen. I'm hoping one of the linebackers false to washington. Now how about your football team and then how about my raiders. Wealth the funniest thing about that. You bring that up. I think we're both looking for the same thing. Say if we stay in our spots omar it's definitely offensive line or linebacker for sure. I mean i don't see anything else if we stay. I know that we definitely are to go. Linebacker offensive tackle nita. Either right tackle linebacker. Hopefully go linebacker obviously our defense so who sliding in the draft i think the the biggest slide the most surprising sites justin fields i think and like i said it might not even be at the top ten but man. He was the consensus number two quarterback after the season ended in college football and he did nothing wrong to change that and all of a sudden these three or four. Yeah it makes no sense to me absolutely wild. I can't believe that he would be exactly ranked and then he did nothing wrong. And plus some of these other quarterbacks that they're that they're lifting up as usual have sparse records right so well you know the thing is omar. Here's the thing i hate. He's getting crushed in probably falling. Because he's the ohio state quarterback. You can't draft in ohio say quarterback but do there's never been in ohio state quarterback with the blue chip level as he has and i mean i guess you know. Haskins scares people but man field as a way better prospect than haskins ever could have thought to be and guys like i mean you could say oh well. Nobody from ohio states. Ever been a good quarterback in the nfl. Well who was a good texas tech quarterback before patrick mahomes came in there right. Yeah you have to. You have to view these guys as a personal person basis. I think and you can't just go by. Oh he plays here or he plays there and that's why he's gonna suck no. I don't even go with that. I don't believe that either the scope but one thing about that is the school thing would be like. Byu right because now. Zac wilson somehow like you said when fields moved back magically zack. Wilson moved ahead but you know he's only thrown twenty-three career touchdown passes before last season right. He had a shoulder injury. And before that i mean he had only had a good stretch. I would say back in his freshman season. So i mean it is. I mean like you said it makes no sense. It's the same thing i loved. Trae too i love wilson but like i said trae lance. What did he needed to jump. Justin fields he played one game this year. It might have been his worst game as a collegiate athlete. Right exactly. do you think it could have been contrary. Lance has more mobile. And maybe that's why. No i think is because the nfl's a copycat league. And i think people think trae lances reminds them of josh allen one hundred percent. I think so i mean. He has an accuracy issue. He's a big boy. He can run and i just think they see the talent you know they see the upside. I definitely can understand that. So then who would be a surprise first round. Pick in your eyes. I don't think there's really any surprises me. I i mean thirty players and teams that fit really well together that you can see happening. Well i would love to see. Michael parsons with the washington football team. I think he's been overall how far down although he does. Have those off the field issues that people say get fall because i just don't see him falling that far i don't. He's too good. And going back. Real quick to the quarterback thing because i do want to import one point that i haven't heard anybody talking about but i want to say this because i just popped in my head and i thought about it. I'm not saying it's true right. I'm not saying it's any conspiracy theory thing. But i don't remember the last time or as the jets drafted a black quarterback in my in my personal opinion view here. I'm thinking that. Maybe the jets want just white quarterbacks to start for them now that could be controversial. That saying it's true. I'm just saying what do you think my friends didn't old. Woody put millions of dollars towards trump. I think that answers your question. A whole god bless yes eh check mate. May my friends thought you've got about the draft or the draft experts. So i want you to say whatever you want to think. Oh man. I'm just excited. I can't give you enough. I mean it's a stacked with talent and the quarterback thing like. I said it's gonna make a lot of good player. Slide down omar and. That's where i'm excited about washington. And then you should be excited about your raiders. because of that because good defensive players good offensive. Linemen are going to fall because people are going to reach for the quarterback position. Because we're gonna have five in the top ten. I think which is insane. Who wound. Yeah that'd be crazy but you're right like all of this movement and all of this possible movement has just made this draft and then with all the variables of not having a real combines and things like that and everything being jumble mumbled and whatever you know this draft is gonna be must watch. Tv probably the best draft. We've haven't a while no doubt out no doubt i agree with that awesome. Oh we're going to see plenty of twists and turns and i'm excited for that. I'm excited to see what surprises come. Thank you so much for joining us on the draft special and l. expert. My friends shame. Thank you for joining us. Hit him with your twitter. Sign off all that. It's at pizza. Mania hit me up if you wanna talk football especially this week if you wanna talk draft and of course the world of professional wrestling and omar. You know the dark side of the ring. Season three is coming out. We're going to have to do a podcast on that for sure. My friend who that sounds like a great idea. We should do a podcast on to go back and watch some of them. Haven't seen all of them. But i've seen. I've seen enough of them. And those are awesome. And also i'm going to have you on here in a couple of weeks for wrestlemainia review because we still gotta do that and i want to get that out probably in a couple of weeks so we'll get up for that as well. Excellent sounds good. My friends let me know. Take care of my friend you to and you know how we like to end things here on the ball and podcast with omar epilogue so this year's draft prep was anything but ordinary. It was really really weird and a lot of people had to do a lot of different things that made them uncomfortable. But that might be the new normal. Y'all with the pandemic you know even if it's going to be over and we might get back to some sort of normalcy in life. Zoom is going to be a big part of our lives. Virtual stuff is going to be a big part of our lives going forward. This is just the start of the technology boom. I'm telling ya robot you're going to take over the world soon anyway anyways and it might show up in the quarterback frenzy at the top of the board right the fate of all these players who are coming off injury or you my espn notification on my phone draft notification. Anyway so you know how into it. We are the fate of the players who are coming off injury or even valuations of all those players who opted out of the twenty twenty season. We didn't get any real tape on. The impact won't be known for seasons to come but it is throwing a lot of variables into the draft and making it. That much more intriguing and so we've reached a point where most fans return they watch for a few days to get back into it not me and my guest we dig in and we love it. The nfl draft symbolizes for us a brand new season. We are able to be optimistic about our teams and the nfl coming back in the fall even if it is just for a few short days on that note. Thank you for tuning in my friends. Make sure to support your boy and as always subscribe to stay updated. Download all the new episodes until then stay safe. Jake carry yourself kind to each other in spread. Love the omar five.

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04/20/2021 - HOUR 1 - Curry, Broncos, Steelers

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04/20/2021 - HOUR 1 - Curry, Broncos, Steelers

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So dan moans has been one of the smarter offense of guys in college football for the last ten years coach. Coach dak prescott. Obviously that'd be proud as a college coach. Rarely ever talk about that. Like if you're a college coach and you got a kid that you recruited and dak prescott develop and then they they get drafted and make forty million forty million. You've got to be proud of that. Yeah yeah. Dan and dak have done very well for themselves. So steph curry. You know steph curry right. You know that that goes beyond. I've been defending steph curry forever. I don't think i've ever been critical of steph. Curry mr steph curry and Last night he hit ten threes and scored almost fifty and. I'm not here to be debbie downer. But i actually wasn't blown away score forty nine point. Nba game is big but steph. Curry is been on a streak for a month. Now that's insane and he didn't suddenly get this much better. Let's add context. It has been a terrible year for defense in the nba. Do you know we're gonna have the top four highest offensive ratings ever in league history all this year the most point scored in fifty years in the nba. This year. the players didn't suddenly all get great. They didn't just suddenly start shooting. Threes folks. It's been an awful year to play defense and there's an explanation for it because it to condense schedule. What does that mean. players are more exhausted. It's a shortened. Offseason what does it mean. Players are more exhausted. What part of the game do you give up costing you. Don't give up points in offense because that pays you we've also had more. Dnp's did not play for star players resting for the play offs a prime example last night steph curry. Didn't face ben simmons. Ben simmons took the night off. Ben simmons is a great defensive player. You're getting this all season long. Where one or two stars don't play and they would guard the other stars so last night. Ben simmons out steph. Curry goes crazy by the way. This weekend steph. Curry went crazy against boston. Jalen brown d. n. p. didn't play jalen brown's a great athlete and a very strong defensive. Guard you also have no fans in most of these arenas what does that mean. It has a very scrimmage field to it. You gone to the ymca. How good defense today play. You ever watched the scrimmage. Nobody's taking charge at scrimmage. Nobody's taken the big foul. Scrimmage scrimmages tend to lean offense so the steph currys. This zairians the luca's offensively. Gifted players are having an absolute field day also because of the increased three point shooting. And you're noticing this the last couple of years. The last three years there's more blowouts so a team falls behind by fifteen the only way to get back his threes. And if it's not your night shooting threes. The game gets ugly fast. And what happens when the games twenty seven points early third quarter. What part of the game do you give up defense players. Also this year. It should be noted. And i. I get it. There's been a little animosity. Most of them didn't want to start the season as quickly as they did. And they didn't want an all star weekend so players have kind of decided. We're going to pick our spots this year and where the players picking their spots on the offensive end of the floor. Because that's how you get paid and that's shoe deals and if you worked in your work environment and you are exhausted and you have a little animosity towards your boss even take a couple of shortcuts. But you're not gonna take shortcuts on the stuff that gets you paid so you're taking a lot of stars or taken the night off. Ben simmons gym brown. Don't face steph. Both very high especially simmons. High in defensive players players are more tired. They're taking the defensive end of the floor off and we've said this is when you have all these superstar teams. The nets went nine thousand. Nine hundred four. When kevin durant didn't play the lakers have a winning record. Not only without a d. but without lebron eighty so if you face the lakers right now they're defensive rating has gone through the floor since lebron ad left. It's not the same team. So this is not a shot at steph curry at all. It's not but you have to add context. There's a reason the pac twelve and the big twelve have these wild shootouts. You wanna know why because they don't have. Sec defensive football players when the pac twelve and big twelve generally go face the up me points so this year we've already had almost one hundred games where a player has scored forty points and we have two hundred games to go. That is double ten years ago. It shouldn't double like in economics. If your stock market doubles quickly they called a bubble right. We have an nba offensive bubble. It's gonna burst next. You guys will come back. There will be more rested. Stars will take fewer games off and the offensive numbers will pull back a little bit. So steph is great. I love him. But this has been an atrocious year for nba. Defense all right so this story came out yesterday. We did not talk about it. The broncos have a new general manager and according to woody page who writes for the den denver gazette journalist in that town for a hundred years. They wanna move off drew lock. They want to they've called atlanta. And they're gonna move up and they'd like to get a quarterback now doesn't mean atlanta's going to budge but denver likes trae lance and they liked justin field and they should. They're both better than drew lock. And it's funny about drew lock. I get this a lot from denver. Fans you love damn. I didn't five games. Josh allen of the bills and drew lock the broncos through eighteen games. And that's how many druze played or the exact same quarterback bad. But here's the difference. The more i saw josh allen the more i liked him the more. I saw drew lock the less i liked him. Why because drew lock is a movie trailer if you just get the highlights of comedy. All comedies are funny in the movie. Trailer will ferrell's never had a bad movie trailer but will ferrell's behalf his movies. Aren't that funny. Because all the funny stuff in the trailer and that's not a knock on will ferrell because you'd had some unbelievable movies go watch al. It's really good old school that stop for whatever but drew lock movie trailer. His highlights remaining because he's got a big arm and he's athletic pretty athletic and he takes big swings risks and improvises a lot. So if you watch is lights or as movie trailers who but when you really watches game. He's got really bad habits. Really loose jameis winston. Although i don't think he's at talented really loose really casual. Thinks his arm is better than it is. Throws the ball up for grabs five times a game just throws it down the field and by the way so i like him will end of twenty nineteen the last five games of the year he goes four and one and i said on the air multiple times joy is my witness. There's something there i kept saying. They're sitting there. I like him but denver wasn't good i was. I wasn't watching the entire game. I was getting the movie trailer. I was getting his highlights and he's got an arm and he can move but pro. Football focused watch all five of those games every snap and they greeted him with a fifty eight which is kibo level. He was terrible. So if you'll watch the movie instead of just watching the trailer to comedies. That's why there have been so few great comedies made. There's been a million great trailers for comedies. Every will ferrell trailer is hysterical. Jackie moon was hysterical. About nine good minutes a movie but the trailer was unbelievable. And what drew lock is. He's the anti. Derek carr of the raiders. If you watch. Derek cars highlight film. That'd be huge arm. It's not super mobile. But if you actually watch the movie of derek carr if you watch the games dirk a good i mean. He's very comparable to tony. Romo who i think was one of the more underrated quarterbacks in the last twenty years derek cards could good player. He's accurate he's a leader in big spots. He can be good. He can move a little not super athletic but he could move a little. Didn't have a bad arm. They'll throw it over the top. He's a little hesitant. He's not a gunslinger sometimes. He's a little alex smith. You wish letter. Rip a little more but the movie derek. Cars cars pretty good. the trailer. Put your sleep. Drew lock just the opposite and so it looks like Denver is going to move off him and if they don't it's telling you just by the stories that you know my dad used to always say this is that most of the decisions of your employment will be decided when you're not in the room lubricate don't agitate. They're already raising hands in the front office at denver. And there's more let's move on. Then keep him and for this story to leak there. They've already made their decision. He made play for another year. But barring just sensational improvement they're moving on all right coming up next It took me a while to get this coach it really. It took me years to get him now. I do and he's going nowhere as of this morning. That's coming be sure to catch live editions of the heard. Weekdays at noon eastern nine. Am pacific on fox sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app. We've all got those things at walt. Disney world resort that immediately. Take you back the things. 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When they're in the middle of a losing streak one thing that defines them one thing the players know they can trust for pete carroll. It's his energy sean. Payton his intensity it's like nobody else. Bill walsh bill belichick. It's this sort of academic lean lenient. Felt they were smarter than everybody. They coached against andy reid. It's creativity and mike tomlin. It's a presence. Mike's got a present. It's he's one of the few. Nfl coaches. i think could coach at the college football level. He'd walk into a great recruiter but everybody in the nfl even ballot check has losing streaks. What do you go to in the losing streak. Lean on in the losing streak or players. Fine you believable. They know you're better at it than anybody else. And there's a certain presence and believability with mike tomlin. And i think i really noticed it when ben rothlisberger didn't play so he's eighteen and fifteen without big ben and that is something kyle shanahan cannot win football games without jimmy garoppolo. How was check without brady. He is eighteen and fifteen without big. Ben here's a winning record with mason. Rudolph landry jones and dennis dixon in a couple years ago. You had a lot of drama and big bands not playing well andy's aging and they can't run and the wheels are coming off and mike tomlin is the duct tape. Listen this league is hard pete. Carroll's been fired twice and he's going to be hall of famer. Tom coughlin his last. Four years. couldn't win any games with a hall of fame quarterback. Eli manning is all hard league to win and when you go to those losing streaks you can lose games. you can't lose a locker room. Tomlin never loses locker room. Sean payton pete carroll never lose a locker room. You've got to have something about you and players respect tomlin. He's an alpha. He's got a presence he believes in himself. And you can just feel it at the podium. He is blunt he is brutal he is honest he holds himself accountable and that believe ability that bluntness that presence is why he's eighteen and fifteen without a hall of fame quarterback. Tom coughlin could not win games. And he's going to the hall of fame. Sean payton once they paid drew brees too much had losing records. Big bands not taken a lotta pay cuts. Mike tomlin's never had a losing record. joy. Tanner the news. No on the news. This is the headline news. The dolphins already traded first round picks twice this offseason. You're manipulating it from three to twelve. And then back from twelve to six and they could make a third move before the draft next week. According to ian rapoport miami has fielded calls from teams looking to acquire the six. Pick in this considering i move back down. I don't know what that tells me from the dolphins perspective because they do need an offensive line And you would like to see them. Add another skill player. I i gotta tell you something though. Is that six weird spot for them so they don't need a quarterback right. They're not going to do that right. And what they could use his offensive line. They may be looking at elijah. Vera tucker for usc if you look at all the mock drafts and the people. I've talked to him get drafted somewhere. Eleven to fifteen and so if miami goes all right denver. We'll go down to nine denver. You don't have to go up to four. We'll just give us one first round pick because they already raided the texans right so they've done so well joy in this draft now they don't have to be as greedy they go to denver and say hey instead of going to you know. If the atlanta doesn't draft a quarterback you could have fields and trae lance. You know the bengals aren't taking one. You just come to us at six. So that so that who they trade with to me is the question. It's denver if it's not denver though because been some talks about possibly the patriots or the bears like you do. If you're miami you do need a high level offensive linemen and i would say you also need to add a skill position. You need another wide receiver. So how far back are you moving the. If it's the broncos. I feel like you can still get one of those top three nine fifteen. I don't know space for that. That's that's quite a bit. Well your your concern. Is i think. The chargers draft like fourteen. Don't they thirteen okay. So the chargers. If elijah vera tickets available. They're going to take him or jc horn. Could they need to corner and left tackle. Those will be the two best on the board. I mean that that's what you'd figure. The chargers would take they. They would take the best corner available. If patrick certaines gone or the best old line and slater panic sewer gone so for miami. It's what jimmy johnson talked about yesterday. They don't have to be as greedy. They've already done. Great getting pixel right there you go to move to back because what we need allies there they can get there so we always think when you move out of a pick. Takeda move back. Just one spotter to you. Don't have to especially the way. The dolphins of don't need that many picks that's the only thing that concerns me unlike. Don't move back to far. You don't need that many picks and what you need. They do have the top level of the draft and offensive linemen. Andy wide receiver. So diop broncos make sense anything further down. The drop to me seems a little risky. So there's very expectations obviously trevor lawrence as he prepares to start his. Nfl career in the draft happens. We will all submit. Are cops which i'm sure will be very reasonable. His college coach dabo swinney thinks lawrence can be transformational star in the league and he had a very interesting comparison to an nba player. Watch steph curry. Shoot the ball. It's just like just go. Wow just to sit there and watch this guy. Shoot a basketball. That's how you feel when you watch. Trevor throw football when you get to see him live and you get to see him move. You just go. Wow i mean it's just it's just different. He's a face of a franchise guy he also talked about how he like. He can be one of those players that transcends sport you know not he didn't say oh bj but like you know someone who's an international superstar and to me that's what ob. Jay was a few years ago. I don't know that he's in that space now. I don't know if he doesn't feel like he wants to be. That won't know but sometimes it's doesn't really matter what she was once like. If you become that level of star which i think will have to be significant amount of winning because obviously jacksonville is not a huge market. And while i don't think you have to be a huge market to become a star or a superstar win game. I think you have to be like if you look at lebron right. Lebron is in. Cleveland still managed to become international superstar because he was that great. Have you didn't end up having the career that he had. I don't know that he would be the star. He is because it does matter. Jacksonville isn't a massive international brands by. They play a lot of us. You know so. I'm not saying that's not what trump is going to be. But to the point of transcending the sport he does have the look. He's got the sunshine hair. He's a star already from the years that we've seen him playing college at the highest level. So he does have the potential to do that. So the carson wentz era with the eagles came to an abrupt end this off season. He was traded to the colts. And there's been a lot of talk about who should take the blame for that relationship falling apart and peter king thinks most of it should be carson wentz i probably blame carson wentz more for carson wentz thing then i blame the eagles honestly mind boggled at the reaction of carson wentz. This is the big boy league. You gotta understand that. The best part of ability is availability. And if you're not there you might not be there. That team has to buy insurance. Or if you're not there. I disagree with that take. I would go fifty fifty. I do think a lot of the blame is on carson wentz. Because i don't know what carson wentz went through with the eagles that was so unprecedented and i think that that's peter king's point now he did talk about what happened with tom. Brady and then bringing in jimmy. Garoppolo pouted brady respond. He went on did quite a bit of winning since they brought. Jimmy garoppolo to the patriots. Tom brady also moved. Jimmy garoppolo out. It's not like he beat him in fair competition like he was better. Obviously the jimmy garoppolo but he also played a role in leading new england. Carson wentz didn't have that power to say. I don't want jalen hurts here but superiors point you're not available. You are not reliable physically. So he's he's a reckless player necessarily blame the eagles for drafting. What what they planned on being a high level backup quarterback. Yeah but they drafted. They've increasingly drafted poorly. Think that's the thing that had to go. Pay money to get a darius slake and wide receivers because they butchered so many draft. So i think yeah but this his issue was not that they were drafting poorly. He doesn't he doesn't have the power to say anything about that. His issue jalen hurts. I just think he fell apart mentally like it was just. It was too much everything that was happening him. Not being and jalen hurts. And then you know the dysfunction within the within the organization that we know played a role in all of this falling apart. I do put some blame on carson. I'm sixty five thirty five eagles. Your fifty fifty peters probably eighty twenty went so by the way we'll have an answer by november eighth know that well i mean look i don't i don't know that the i don't have high expectations for the eagles at all and i don't know the him that carson wentz going to the colts is like their success is going to be on necessarily on carson. Wentz they were pretty successful last year culture so i don't know that apples to apples that's comparable but i think that when you are in a situation to peter's point like this is a big league you know what comes with it that doesn't necessarily mean everyone's gonna handle it the same way you know. Their stuff goes on in our business. Some people can handle it. Some people can't that doesn't necessarily make you a a good or bad person. It's just a lot to deal with and sometimes you work prepared for that. The eagles doesn't mean that you didn't have to handle it in the moment. Eagles have a little bit of enron field to me. We were captivated for a couple years with them. And then you find out what happened behind closed doors and a lot of it was a con and like when i hear the owners ripping the coach every tuesday. It's absurd i'm like. I mean remember enron that. Yes smartest guys in the room and all of a set for me for like multiple years. It was like the hottest stock. And then you find out. It was a complete con- i don't even look at philadelphia today like three years ago. They were an five top five franchise in the in the building. Executive suite about was how like how we can win the fund way and all of a sudden. Now i'm like. It's just a con expectations for the eagles this year. Joy with the news. Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by a friend. Michael vick thirteen years in the nfl. A pro bowler four times. He is joining us now. Live is the nfl draft and more than a week away. All right so you were. You were a number one overall. Pick twenty years ago. So trevor lawrence is going through that so if you can. What were you doing a week before. The nfl draft. Twenty years ago being the number one pick. Just take me to your life. What was it. Like was house. Hunting in san diego in really distraught. Because i've found out how much money i was going to have to spend. A little of space is going really be able to have so. I was kinda battled in that but at the same time village villain very fortunate that i had to finance it if i needed to take it up another notch i cook you know depending on what was in the budget so i was planning on going to san diego at that time house hunting in the super ready to get comfortable Were you anxious. Was it fun. Did you feel pressure or you. Just like i'm gonna go house hunting. Have a good time or did you feel a little man. This is a lot there. I felt like it was overwhelming It was a lot you know leaving college and you know light that you get accustomed to and now this is work one hundred percents Is no cutting corners like this is going to be the cornerstone and foundation of my life for at least twelve hours a day for the next. You know fifteen years. I'm hoping i vowed to make that. You know come to life in. It was more about the dedication time and everything that come along with being a number one pick that i was ready to deal with sony later so once you were the number one. Pick the next forty eight hours. You're in new york. The media's everywhere is it i mean do you remember a lot of it or is it. Just a blur. You know counting. Only thing i really remember was the night before the drives sitting in the wrong with family and friends again call from my agent standard. I might begin traded to atlanta s. The leap assaulted thinking about my finances again. My family flying out the san diego having to spend money on all these tickets. My mom's gonna be in the stands every week you know. It's family in france on this different route. Cheaper flight figuring finance. It's i you know. I'm thinking backwards in dan's initially dare reeves and this was the costa grew up soda adolescent. he was really hard on john elway as a kid watching the denver broncos in the late eighties early nineties. I'm like i do not want that guy. coaching. I get the call tonight before the draft. Who's the head coach. dan raising my think. You know i'll take you all the right reasons and you're not gonna love dan and i'm glad he selected me and it you know it turned out to be in everybody's favorite so for reasons so it's really interesting i have. I've been critical of matt ryan over the years. I don't think. I think his arm is weakened and i think he needs to be surrounded with more talent but i do think atlanta because of what they have to pay him. I think they should keep matt ryan and get kyle pits. Secondly i would. If i can't get kyle which they will. I would probably go get draft. Picks draft a quarterback. And i say that i love justin field that i love trae lands. But i don't think they need a quarterback your thoughts today in a franchise you love. No the atlanta falcons. What would you do today. Matt ryan thirty five but they got a lot of money guaranteed for two years. They could use a lot of help. Defensively what would you do honestly Grad wanted he's on quarterbacks in the draft and obviously matt ryan has some football left enemy. He has to be surrounded by the right guys. I think to succeed you know at this point in his life. Why not get one of these young quarterbacks coming up in this draft let him sit for year to let him hear the conversations. Lets them see how mat work matters. The ultimate in consummate pro. And you just not get that anyway. A lotta guys have to come in situations where there is no veteran. You don't have a chance to sit and you'd have to play. And i think that's a luxury the city of atlanta. They watch me run around for years. They watch Work the pocket efficiently for years Did a wonderful job at it. And then they get one of the they can get one of these guys who super mobile and just super good in. Get the best of all worlds impasse. Because i do think all these guys in the draft soda equal you know you look at him in as far as talent. Yeah so you win it on all the cores and i think this could be a game. Changing picked for the future so justin fields has taken a lot of the criticism. Rest of these quarterbacks. We all everybody loves trae lands area. Love's travel zack. Wilson means been number two for the jets for like two months. We barely seen him play. And then there's just in fields and you watch them play in college at ohio state you know. People say is inconsistent. He played at ohio state. Great players around him when you look at justin fields. What do you see anything you see concern you like him. I like him i. I tried to catch justin as much as i could last year but confined him on it so for all all right reason in obviously it was cold. They didn't play games. It was nationally televised at times. But from what. I did seat. I thought he was consistent. You thought he threw the ball. Well i thought he'd do a strong. But i wanted to see more of you know what he could provide. As far as loosened. Its and i was happy to see the hebron a good forty time at the combat. Because he's showed that he can run the ball. I think you know in order to survive in this league moving forward you've got to take a look at what's going on around the league. He has the bring those physical attributes out. You know being pulled down run you know. Take off when the in he'll be a special asset for the team. The drafts and i like what i see are not a potential as they just got unlocking so mike tomlin is signing an extension and i was saying all great coaches have something they can lean on and you know pete carroll his energy bella check it his brain andy reid his creativity and i said with tomlin. Its his presence he is. He is honest and when the quarterback gets hurt big band. You just gotta presence you. Believe in him and you're there for a couple years. Gimme behind the scenes. What tomlin is like at practice in an because you've had totally different guys. You've gone country. Dan reeves and creative andy. Reid and big presents mike. Tomlin what did you like about him. When i got the pittsburgh ahead attendance the work we might see the thing that stands out is that he was just so that right and he was a guy that really wanted it to perfection. He had his way of going about getting perfection out of the players in you know. He was very stern and in fan. But whatever he asks you to do he expected you to do and it was no shortcuts. I remember numerous situations where guys got called to the front and include in at times like he. He didn't discriminate. You know everybody could be put on blast any minute and i think guys tried to avoid that. They respected that in. You know that's just one thing that's just building men you talk about football in the game that you love and a guy who understands it on both sides can help. Educate you get you to the promised. Land everybody's just of showed up pay attention and that's what we did. We had a good time. Don't people want one of the best locker rooms that i've been no disrespect to all the team that i love dearly. Do all my years but you know just from the locker room upstairs. It was a great environment to thrive in finally mike. I asked this to everybody. I bring on the show that's played in the nfl. The draft is funny because a third of these players you get him in they bust. They can't play. And then sometimes you'll you'll draft two linebackers in the seventh round guys better than the second round guy. Go go back to your career. You don't have to name a name and the guy that busted but how many practices would it take michael for you to watch a rookie. And either say guy can't play or guy gonna great. Gimme seven days a week. If you give me a week. I can any position. Some have the look more in depth than others. You know mainly on the defensive side of the ball but if you give me a week i can say you. This guys don't have longevity. He's going to be out the league in a year or two or if he's not even gonna make it through the training camp. What always say this. It's a way to unlock a guys. Potential you know is just about the people that surrounded him in coach that he has in that role every day. So we don't have that type of time. We don't have time to be unlocked potential. You gotta come in and you gotta just let it all go in your thirteen years. Who was the best rookie. You ever saw that immediately you knew. Oh my lord. He is a diese. Stud housing chromosomes algae crane. When i say algae catch a pass Site is in college. They was part of the reason. I thrive in the passing game. But when i seen algae catch and run like his jaws apple cats was admitted. He did it effortlessly. I seen a second level guys. Linebackers cannot run with them. And i'm like he's gonna. Evolution is the position or revolutionize the position. And i've seen that happen with algae crumpling. Now you've got guys like chelsea kittle. Yeah you know a little lane a looking like she was still at tight end prototyping and just making a game. Even more fascinating yeah. Algae crumple was real good real soon. Mike it's great talking to you again per she it by the way of a many reasons. Trevor lawrence is a guaranteed camp miss. And it's not just his ability. He's got a huge edge in jacksonville. And i'm not talking urban meyer. Either that's coming up. 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They led the nation last year in offense and So we'll bring him on the show at the top of the hour Speaking of southern coaches dabo. Sweeney talked about trevor lawrence. And i've told destroy before. I saw trevor lawrence down in san diego about a two hour drive from here. It was a passing camp. It was all the best players in high school and a couple of college. Guys josh rosen was ucla. There was a couple of college guys and they were all great. I mean they're all super talented. But trevor was different. He was sitting about forty yards from the end zone. Flicking it into the corner one after another. He kind of looked the exact same. He looks a little heavier now but he was real thin. He just looked different. And when you when. You have a bunch of five-star quarterbacks one guy is just different and it's everybody in the park and see it. I mean i could figure it out. Am dabo sweeney talking about how he is simply even among clemson players. And they've had to shawn watson he's just different. Watch steph curry shoot the ball just like just go. Wow just to sit there and watch this guy. Shoot a basketball well. That's how you feel when you watch. Trevor throw football when you get to see him live and you get to see him move. You just go. Wow i mean this is just different. He's a face of a franchise. Got what what's interesting in. This is really true in the south where college football is the king. The quarterbacks are worshiped. And nobody's been more worship than trevor lawrence. Because he's been number one pick for the last three years the first time he stepped on the field and the nfl's not like that. It is business and just to give you an example that trevor lawrence. His dad said you know he's not defined by football and trevor lawrence said. Don't play with a chip on my shoulder. Trevor lawrence a day later rushed to explain what he was saying. Now why would he do that. Gave me the number one pick. Why did trevor lawrence within thirty six hours rush to clarify his comments because it was bad for business. There's no way you want to sign a shoe deal because he's going to go on losing streaks and people are going to say well. I mean and play with a lot of urgency. You're already giving people in negative narrative to grab and hold onto if you struggle and mark. Sanchez told me this sunday night. I talked to mark sanchez. And he said you know. I played at usc la. And then i went to the jets. And i thought going to be an easy transition right like the l. a. Press can be tough on ya fuel lose. They'll call you out and it's la la times. Talk radio big stations sportscasters and he goes. Then you go to new york and you're a pro. It's not the size of the city. Europe pro and they don't treat you the same they go after you a little bit. You could say something to a writer when you're a college player and they and you're a pro player getting paid and he goes. I made a couple of jokes all of a sudden you look at headlines in the pulse. You're like okay. I'm going to go to stock answers. I gonna pull back. It's totally different ones. You get paid. You get treated differently the expectations. That's why trevor lawrence came and literally. I wanna clarify my comments. It was bad for business. It's his first interception but one of the reasons he's going to succeed is talent and two huge. What urban meyer's another one. But this is also part of it. Jacksonville's perfect if he would have said you know i'm not defined by football and he got drafted by the jets you. Would you would have to clarify that. One hundred times until the season started. They would be all over. You and new york is not as forgiving jacksonville's college market so it's almost going to be like a second college career with a college coach. I remember spending weaken jacksonville during the super bowl. Monday tuesday wednesday. The super bowl was not the lead story in the newspaper. The local newspaper talked about high school football recruiting day. Jacksonville's the college market that has an nfl team. And what does that mean. It's gonna be very forgiving college market with a pro team. Also jacksonville now. Some small markets are tough on their athletes. Pittsburgh because they have a great history. So they're going to be all over you do smith. He gets banged on every time he social media stuff. We don't have that either because they have no history in green bay. You play poorly. You can get called out. Because the expectations right so jacksonville's a small college market kid gloves. It has no history to speak of. What are the standards. It is literally the perfect place as long as you have a good coach. And what is urban. Meyer specialty developing young quarterbacks. Alex smith tim tibo dwayne haskins. I mean justin fields. Maybe i mean this is i guess. Justin was gone. 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NFC East Mixtape Vol. 2: Who do you want your rivals to draft?

Blogging the Boys

54:23 min | 5 months ago

NFC East Mixtape Vol. 2: Who do you want your rivals to draft?

"Now that the nfl draft is here you need to subscribe to the sba nation nfl. Show our team of national and local. Experts have the nfl draft covered from every angle. Plus we're bringing in big name guests and leaving mind from around. The industry subscribe to the espy nation. Nfl show wherever you get your podcast for the best coverage of the nfl draft and beyond welcome back. It is the nfc. East mix tape presented you in partnership a weird partnership blog on the boys and bleeding. Great nation. I am are joe from. Bt he is brandon lee aka from be g and brandon. How does it. How has your wednesday taking care of you so far. Rj it is draft week. So we're here and there's no time to dilly dally so we have to get right into it. That's right last week was the introductory episode. You know we talked about ourselves in our lives and like what led us to want to start this but this week we mean business which is why we brought in the business man himself. Ed valentine manager editor and chief head honcho just ultimate extraordinary person from big blue espy nations. Home for new york giants content. Ed was kind enough to sit in with us now to talk about his favorite division in the national football. Uk's favorite team the dallas cowboys in a bunch of other yahoos. Ed how goes it's good. It's good man if i listened to beal. Gee there's there's no time for socializing. There's no time for being friendly. I mean come on. I mean i know. Eagles fans and all that are not the friendliest types in the world but come on l. g. Were all enemies here. So the us lebron. We'll we'll we'll do our best to get along for a few minutes. Though and i'll i'll be kind. What's what's the last movie you watched. Ed like tell me about your life if my wife and i we watched my. We watched my octopus teacher. Have you seen this. It won the oscar for best documentary. It was pretty sick and nobody watched my octopus teacher. Oh man i've been watching tapeh draft come on all right fine so we're all here to talk about the nfc east. Obviously be as you mentioned that the nfl draft starts tomorrow on thursday. We are recording on tuesday. Though so nobody pay attention. If we get the dates wrong But will start with the state of things when it comes to the best team like. I said america's team the dallas cowboys. And i want both of your thoughts on this A lot of listeners have heard mine. Obviously shanley retires from the nfl eleven seasons. This is not draft related unless you think it obsta which priority in drafting a linebacker which it doesn't Ed o go to your first. Because sean lee's last game that he will ever played came against the new york. Giants your thoughts. On the general as you came affectionately known by cowboys fans everywhere hanging up. Hey really good player for a really long time. You know hasn't had an impact for the last for the last year or two really but a guy that that was A really good player helped the cowboys for a long time. And i'm never brokenhearted. Dec- nfc teams lose good players. That's said biaggi you are philadelphia loyalist our when it comes to all sports teams. You love the state of pennsylvania. You kind of have. I don't know if anyone is ever called journalists. You have this closet steelers. Fandom i think i certainly think it doesn't hurt that. They have this like long story. Success against the cowboys But sean lee a pennsylvania. Man himself A nittany lion. One of the greatest linebackers in penn state. History your thoughts on his career. Yeah i always felt like that was kind of a thing earlier in his career. Like he was from penn state so there was kind of like you know some frustration that the didn't get him. It's not like all eagles fans are necessarily penn state's fan but there's a crossover there kind of middle the state so it's both like steelers territory. Sean lee himself out from pittsburgh. So i guess more allegiance that way. But i don't know my thing was strongly was like i we. We're all just waiting for him to get hurt right. That was the reality and it's sad for his career is not like we're rooting for it. But it's like we are waiting for the shoe to drop. It's going to happen every year. He's gonna get hurt at some point so obviously fantastic player but like we just knew the injury bug was like eventually gonna hit him man. No respect for sean lee here on the nfc east mix tape. It is what it is. But it's funny how there's like these prominent penn state players who play in the nfc east but don't play for the eagles obviously saquon barkley now the new york giants. But okay fine not enough time. You know they were going. To spend on sean lee. But guys jerry. Jones in the cowboys held their pre-draft press conference on tuesday. Unlike kosh shanahan they didn't threaten the universe but jerry jones did say something. Because you've both seen the both likely soon me charbonnet kyle pits option for the cowboys. Not that he'll make their and this is interesting because the cowboys hold the tenth. Pick at your giants at eleven biaggi. The eagles right behind them. At twelve but jerry jones said. Don't be stupid over your needs. Which is an interesting line of thought. Because if you're not being stupid when it comes to your needs if kyle pits falls to ten overall then you would prioritize him. Because you're not prioritizing your needs and your thoughts on jerry jones kind of getting with the times if kyle pitfalls to eleven falls to ten let's let's kyle pits falls to ten. You're silly if you don't take him if he falls to eleven silly if befalls the twelve your silly if you don't take him kyle pits shouldn't get past four in this draft period biaggi. I would really hate to see cowboys. Get kyle pits Thinking about that offense what's missing. I mean what you so blake jarwin at tight end but an coming off. A tornado suffered in week one last year. And i think he's a nice player. But i mean tau pitches a game. Senior big difference. They're big upgrade. And i think it would make sense for my and for the cowboys to go all in offense as i think we talked about little bit last week here on the nfc. Smith's tape just like i know it's strength already but like it's not like oh it's two months too much of a strength. I don't think that exists. Like make the offense as good as it possibly can. I'm not worried about balance and trying to make the defense better. I would make offenses possibly as good as it can get. I think fortunately outfits is not going to be there at number ten Just really what an awful development for the philadelphia philadelphia native going to the cowboys and being this great player. So yeah say it doesn't happen but it'd be a nightmare for did and it would be funny and i told you this last week because the eagles obviously originally held the sixth overall pick and if pits mentioned he shouldn't get past four but if he does obviously we all think jones trait lance espionage. Nfl show recently by the way that they are going at three. If justin fields goes four to atlanta. I think that that opens the door. Kosei cincinnati takes place. You all then say. Miami prefers a wide receiver. All of a sudden. It is possible that cow hits gets the ten. Which would be interesting to see how the cowboys handled that. My last bit of news in will roll through the division as a whole before we get to some kind of draft overall questions There's lots of rumors reports as you've seen with regards to every team in the nfl. On monday there were reports that the cowboys. If they don't land patrick's or tan with the tenth overall pick at alabama biaggi. Another starts at the eagles could jump up to get him. That's one of many different rumors that they would want to trade back and obviously a lot of that would depend on. Quarterbacks are falling Would either of you rather see the cowboys draft before ahead of your two teams like it would. Would you be upset if they traded back and they picked up a lot of capital. Ed or are you find with being right behind the cowboys. The giants fan. It's it's really an interesting thing with the giants sitting at eleven. Because i don't think it would upset me. If they picked. I think they would probably pick either. Patrick sir tanner. Jc horn know from the way that The way that that i see how things are unfolding. Which if the giants wanna do that would still leave them. One of the two top corners in the draft. I just see a lot of different ways that the giants can go so whatever the cowboys do at ten and and we'll get into the eagles a little bit more. But what if the eagles really wanna go and jump up and jump up to seven or eight. That's that's not gonna bother me that much either. Because i really don't think it changes the giants options all that much spoken like a mammoth confidence for me. I think the cowboys are at an interesting spot. Because we all know. The giants don't trade down specifically gave gentleman does not trade them. So i don't think like it's like teams are trying to get to eleven to get ahead of the eagles pick. 'cause they know the giants trait down there trying to get ahead of eagles. That means they're going to the cowboys. Vacant number ten. I think a tree down is more realistic for dallas. Outlet is actually in the cards. And i look at We'll we'll see what happens. Depending on quarterback could be quarterback but in terms of the eagles interest if devante smith is there at number ten. There's been rumors about the arizona cardinals coming up. Trading up essentially for him The new england patriots. Fifteen intentionally move up. I think they can move up ahead of the. You'll pick and kinda scoop devante smith and make sure the eagles don't get him so i would not want dallas to try out from that perspective I've seen you driving. The eagles should draft vantera smith bandwagon for a long time that devante smith also the destination. Nfl show by the way okay. That's that's it as far as cowboys. News is concerned biaggi. What is the latest on the worst team in the division. Yes so. I mean not only the worst team in the division. The worst team in one of the worst divisions ever really put a bow on that there for the eagles spot zackrydz who all known basically is gonna get traded since the end of the season. No secret Coming out more definitively now. From adam kaplan talking about how like basically just guaranteed. It's going to happen. He said is going to be gone By the time the draft is over woods yet not really. A total shock to me are not really a big surprise. It's been pretty clear that urge doesn't want to be here. There's been some talk recently in eagles landed out like. Oh you should just keep secrets while he doesn't wanna be here so you're not really gonna keep an unhappy player. Who wants his way out and is do this. Big eight point five million or whatever it is salary so i don't think the are gonna get much in return for him but i'm sure you guys probably won't minds eckardt's leaving the division and i know i certainly won't i certainly won't not at all. I mean the giants could never cover jason witten. They could never cover zach ertz. I'm not sure that they that they recognize that they're supposed to cover tight ends so if if the eagles wanna get rid of a tight end that's a good one that's fine with me. There are players in in division that you secretly like right that you can't admit that you like and so if they ever leave. It's an awesome sort of thing that you get to route for them at. I experienced this beckham junior right like the moment. He was traded like awesome. Now now i can enjoy his talents as a football player. Granted they haven't necessarily been on full display since joining the browns I kind of felt this with kirk cousins bill. Jana you hate him but I just you know. There's some something about kirk. That i think is okay And i really really really like sacher. Like i am a big fan of who he is. And so yeah. I'm pumped about this. I m far away from the eagles. I think it'd be hilarious getting far away and let him be awesome. So that like it's all the aragon howie roseman space. But i mean howie roseman ways to get on his face and then like assert more power within the eagles organization. That's ultimately what ends up. Happening here is wrong. it is not wrong. I think thirds thing again as just kinda come. I think it's the right move for them to move on just because of like. I mean he's really unhappy I just don't think it's really tenable. You have dallas gathered here so you can't really be signers because then dallas gutter isn't gonna wanna sign here and i just it's unfortunate. They arrived in the situation. Like the right move is to trade. Him but shouldn't have gotten to this point. They should have had more foresight and they should've obviously traded him when they have the opportunity to actually get value in the past as opposed to now when he's coming off worst season in his high salary and he wants a new contract in his values low. You know. I think easily traded for a lot less than what people are expecting in terms of eagles fans then just league wide like i think you might have to just like package him with pick to move up on day three or something. It's not going to be this big return. At interestingly enough you mentioned when a couple of times has now retired twice from the nfl zackrydz seemingly gone from the division. Or just a back on one foot out the door so to speak for the giants sneakily snuck in and now have the oldest tight end in the division car. Rudolph went like you know so now. Like what was jason witten and not really zach. Ertz is car rudolph. That's the jason garrett way though. I mean jason gray wants is really old really slow tied in in the middle of his office. Oh nice nice. Way to put it on jane to put it. You know i actually kinda liked the kyle rudolph signing for the giants and i know that. He's he's had foot surgery here. And i don't know what is availability is going to be through training camp in all of that but i liked the rudolf signing. Probably because of what you just said. Probably because of jason garrett because. I'm not sure that evan. Ingram is the type of tight end that jason garrett really wants in. It's not necessary. It's not necessarily old and slow. It's not necessarily that. But jason garrett wants the more traditional tight end he wants the guy that can run the stick routes. He wants the guy that can run his wi- option his short stuff. And and and that's not whatever ingraham. Does i mean catching the football is not necessarily would ingram does well either. But but i think that kyle rudolph is a guy that that fits more of what garrett wants when he puts his offense together. I agree with that I think i'm exaggerating a bit. But evan ingram is like a mustang and jason garrett said the car dealerships like no way i need. I need four doors on the car. You know like. I'm i'm going to be going sixty miles an hour max right like me on the right lane of the highway and you know. I'm i'm hugging the shoulder. The whole time like i'm just i'm getting in and make them i run to cosco you're gonna chick-fil-a on the way home and that's your you're you're saying he drives like the old lady who can barely see over the steering wheel. No i think he I think he's like a step above that but he's close. I mean like and like his hands never leave like ten and two position. You know i mean he is. He's the same guy all the time. biagio are there any bits of other news in eagles land is you affectionately referred to want to push back on the kyle. Rudolph thing this quote that came up we are the giants. We're going to do everything with class. We didn't agreement ronnie signed off on it. Doc rodeo signed off on it so we were fine so that was obviously in reference to the the whole thing where cairo deal was potentially like in jeopardy. It seemed like at least at one point. You know with the with the injury and everything so I can either spare me. I know you're going to push back on this or you might or might not will but like i don't wanna hear the giant talk about how they have so much class. I mean this is one of the worst teams in football for years now. I think it's only like what they might not be the browns. There's only a certain amount of teams have fewer wins than the giants do since two thousand eleven since last time they lifted the lombardi trophy. I don't wanna hear the giants bastion of the nfl and class right now. Am i wrong for thinking. Oh how do i answer this one. How do i am concerned this one. The giants continue to have a picture of what they want to be. I mean they're unoriginal. Nfl franchise they continue to have a picture of what of what they are They haven't lived up to their own standard in recent years. Quite quite obviously. And maybe that wasn't the best way for dave gettleman to to to put it It's really interesting. Because i i often think that gettleman is his worst enemy just because of the way that he says some of the things that he says in new york media new york fans get upset about gettleman because he doesn't talk to the media enough every time he talks to the media. I wish he would talk to us less because of the way he says there's always things that that he says that are like dave. Why did you say it that way a year ago. He drafted three offensive linemen. And he said we're fixing this offensive line once and for all and then they had one of the worst offensive lines in the league. And i'm like dave. I wish you hadn't put it that way. But the giants have a picture of what they are and maybe that's not necessarily a hundred percent accurate but but what are you complaining about. Bmg we've been nice to you guys for years now. We just keep letting you trample us so you know what what. What are you complaining about. I do think. I guess to both of your points. The giants right now like culturally are the family who has nothing but chaos going on in their home. You know what i mean but like companies coming over clean this crap up you know like whatever everybody be on your best behavior You know make sure you're using utensils when you eat dinner when they're over like don't say anything to embarrass us and they're trying to present this image of who they are all the time but it really isn't that way i don't know maybe that analogy fell short but i guess i mean look the the i don't want to spend a bunch of time all upset. And all up in a tizzy over cowed rudolph. No disrespect intended towards him. Ed biaggi. Any other bits of news and notes for the eagles pertaining to the draft itself. Not really other than you might take twenty. Pay coming crossing. We can get this this more. When we're doing the pics like who do you. Who do you wanna see your rival. Take good not want to see him. Take that kind of coming out on tuesday. Coming from a source. Who i know is well plugged in with the eagles and also had the eagles taking dylan regular last year. So there's a lot of buzz as there is any time of the year before the draft. And you don't always know what to make of it because he hear conflicting stuff all the time. We did a draft for region. Radio jimmy kamsky my my partner in crime Where we drafted in a stake draft the eagles most likely first round picks number one. because it's just that classic outsmart yourself kind of eagles thick so i hope i'm wrong about that but The only thing i saw elsewise in the division news. Wise are jamie and you wanna get to the giants here. I didn't have anything for them. Where do you go from here in. Washington did something they did today. Well before we get to washington. I guess what what we need to know as as it stands. I mean we're now approximately thirty or so hours and people will listen to this from the draft. What what is the latest thing in the giants. Churn of information going on right now. All the first thing. I'm going to say quickly is bill g. I hope quick. Pays there for you at twelve. I like woody. Pay nice guy. Seems like a nice kid. Seems like he'll a a pretty good player. All of that. I just he would not be my favorite pick for the giants. The interestingly the big the big thing for the giants that has that has really come out. Recently is something that when the giants signed adoree jackson. And you guys can. You guys can debate whether they overpaid him. We loved the signing add. So we're we're big fans. okay okay. So they signed dory jackson and they've got adoree jackson and james bradberry and when they did that in my draft calculations in looking at who they might take it eleven. I erased all of the cornerbacks from consideration at eleven am now. I think that was a mistake. Because we're hearing a lot of patrick sir tan which makes sense because of joe judge at alabama and we're hearing a lot of the organization loves jc horn cornerback from south carolina. And at first blush. It's like will. Where would he play. But there's also if you think about the new england patriots. From the last few years there are teams in new england was always at the forefront of this the building. Their defense is now from back to front rather than from front to back in there are analytics that back that theory. And if let's say both wide receivers devante smith and jalen waddell are gone at eleven. That makes some sense to me to to lean into that. Because patrick graham loves to play a lot of man to man he loves to be aggressive. He loves to send a fifth guy. Sometimes so it makes more sense than i thought a few weeks ago. And but that's the that's really the quote unquote her. Newsy thing at this point is is really that. I think cornerback is getting more love from the giants than i thought. Yeah i think you look back to two thousand fourteen. New england team made with brandon. Browner kind of at the tail end of his career in drill rivas. Obviously a big reason why they won the super bowl. I thought that the same logic you apply to the giants. I applied to the broncos when they landed cow fuller. I'd that point. I thought ok. Well patrick certaines definitely making it at the cowboys because denver sitting at nine and they don't they no longer have the need but do your point. I suppose anybody could go any direction. g do you think it's possible that both passionate 'certain and jc horn are gone when the eagles are on the clock at twelfth. Yeah do i've seen like a number of scenarios wasn't even one too long ago. I think it was might have been taught me say had one where through the nightmare scenario for the eagles like all three wide receivers are gone. No being while smith and then both horner's entertain horn are gone. It is pretty realistic. Especially i think more so if you have teams trading up there To get in range for those guys which. I think they could be realistic up target. So yeah. I think that's totally possible. I don't know about the giants taking one of them. quarterback there but Because i've heard some things maybe we can touch on that that the giants They might go but Yeah i think it's it's within reason okay. Before we get to where teams could go. Were afraid they'll go whatever biaggi you mentioned it. The loan bit of news with regards to the washington football team. I think we're all very excited about this You've experienced this in a more painful sense. G go ahead and tell us The newest member of football the football team required eric flowers. Who i thought actually kinda did good for them. I thought like you know for as much as air clouds was known as a bus rightfully so in new york playing at tackle he moved to guard in washington and i believe it was so as to nineteen and like he was fine. The though You look totally fine. They're washington's off into line. Was like fine with him in there. He was not a disaster now. He got overpaid by miami. Clearly that was like way too much of a payday for him to get. But i i i see why he got. That wasn't like he went to washington. News terrible then. Miami paid him but now clearly didn't take too for washington to acquire him to slops late. I think they only washington moved up like our downside fourteen spots. Yeah yeah so not too much there. But i think it's a solid move for them. It reminds me of like in madden. When you would just go sign a free agent. That you didn't like in your franchise much just trade them. You know what. I mean like just to pick up draft capital because the computer was dumb. And you could do that. And are you at all nervous about eric. Flowers returning to the division. Wait a minute wait. A minute is twenty twenty. One right it is i m on a podcast in two thousand twenty one talking about eric. Flowers come really. Oh my lord. I thought i was completely done talking about eric flowers. I don't. I don't know i mean it's it's a blip on the radar screen. Eric flowers showing up in washington. Really doesn't matter that much to me to be honest with you i. I got a chuckle out of the fact that that a team that had him would want him back actually a great way to put it but yeah. I can't believe it's twenty twenty one and i'm talking about eric flowers. All right okay. Well in fact that's so well said we're gonna take a very quick break because we have some questions to get into. Nobody go anywhere. Going to take a very quick break to hear award from our sponsors. I'd welcome back everybody be lg. It is time. I know you have some questions that you are very excited for ed and get to. They better be good. That'd be great so go ahead and start us off. Yes so who is the one like. Obviously this question is phrased in reality. We're talking about realistic takes here. Who's the one layer you would eat most hate to see your division rival teams draft like who. Who do you not want these other teams to get. Do you want us to pick one for every team like. We're doing that much work. Are we only picking one player. It's up to you and you tell me okay ed. You're the gas allow you to go. I well. I will say this. Because i mean really. It applies to the dallas cowboys. They're the ones sitting right in front of the giants. And and if i'm the giants you know i want the option of picking rashawn slater. I want the option of picking jalen waddell. I want the option of picking patrick ser tan. So i would kind of. I guess i would hate to see out of all of those choices. I think the guy. I really want for the giants is jalen waddell. I think i. I don't think dallas would ever do it but i would hate to see i would hate to get my hopes up for jalen waddell and then have dallas. Do something silly like take him out from under me so i think we all agree that like true. Smashed the glass panic button. Scenario washington gets justin fields. Right like like we're saying that is. That is a separate aside here. I think ed so like listening to your your logic out. What sucks is that. All three of the teams that we represent are picking on the top twelve. So they're all walking away with a baller right. That's that's the super unfortunate part. And i'm grateful that i don't have to watch one of your teams like pick one but i promise you that both of you are going to say like whoever the couch potato wanted lease right like that's like we really really actually didn't want that guy we wanted. All these players more has has it. Every general manager ever always gotten the first round pick that he absolutely entered the draft wanting whether he picked first or thirty first. Hasn't got always gotten the player wanted. That's a good. It was number one on his board. Actually of course. So what's more is like picking the secondhand said. Well we had a first-round grade on this guy you know so. Everybody applaud us but It's i think it's an interesting twist if you look at it from the cowboys perspective and that it is terrifying than me. Because you're right like it doesn't make sense for douse to draft jalen waddell. Although there's one school of thought like he's the best player draft him and figure it out later. Whatever you wanna do but if people aren't down for that but like it's terrifying to consider passing on him or passing on response pass or taking patrick's tan over jc horn or vice versa. And then seeing the other one go within the division and then not only being wrong being reminded that you're wrong twice a year from one of your most eight at rivals So that being said biaggi last week talked about and i agree with him. Neither of us is like a super data in daniel jones like we're not super optimistic believers either but we believe there's something to work with their terrifying. I have one for each of you. I guess is the giants ending up a jalen waddell and then offensively because jason garrett while you can't be a mess is not the worst offensive line in the world And so that could potentially get figured out an on the eagles side it would be them trading up to nine or eight and taking one of the corners and dallas having to settle for the other. Because i know. I would squared in my mind and say oh. Thank goodness you know. They made the choice easy. Whatever but if that corner ended up being the better one. I would be so upset for a long time so for me. I run through each team Could you pay for the eagles for me would be the of our own either. I mean that in there too but I don't know put that in there. Just because this guy who was like eleven and a half sacks for years at michigan one force fumble turns twenty three as a rookie which is on the other side. By contrast as larry. I knew ed is talked about as a potential giants. Target is twenty the time of the draft just want give the age perspective there but for looking at the rest of the division. Which was the question i think. Sewell all ing to the cowboys and then getting him or even if they takes later i think that's actually the worst case for me. I know that like might be a contrarian answer than a lot of people like say cornerback would be but i think you know they're gonna get one of those And i think it's the smartest thing for them to invest in the offensive line as opposed to trying to make the defense better. It'd be much more worried about the offense. Potentially being even better than the defense like marginally upgrading for the giants. Devante smith if he is on the diane's instead of the eagles very sad i've seen quite a few mock drafts. The have that happening it. Would it would hurt just like the big before it would sting so bad. I probably hate that the most that anything although like Sneakily quietly. I think washington could be in like a really good position to get someone who falls unexpectedly and not talking about fields which you touched on. Rj already even putting that aside. If there's an offensive tackle that falls down. There could be like an elisa. Various tucker or even a christian dare saul if that fall like think they're in a good spot to have someone just to them and that would feel really big need for them so that would be a really good pick for them. It wouldn't be like like the kind of disaster that it would be the giants taking devante smith or me but it'd be quiet like oh man that's like a really smart move and good move for them. Ed whose sign. oh player. that don't want g mentioned quickly pay and for what it's worth daniel. Jeremiah mocked him to the cowboys like two weeks ago. So i i a little bit of that concern. Who's the one guy that you don't want for the giants. I hope to god quickey as mother doesn't listen to this. Show nothing personal. Wow okay what if if it was somebody that wasn't him just for the purposes of like casting a wider net. Who else do you do. you hate. Who else is on. Ed's list all right so we talked about the wide receivers gino's because he's been reading big blue view very smart man you. Are you understand that that. If if i was gonna pick an edge rusher at eleven it would be as easily jewelry i think depict that i would hate at eleven and i think there's actually two of them as good a player as he is. I'm nervous about michael. Parsons because i don't know about the about the character concerns. I just don't have that information. And and i'm just not sure how mike parsons fits with a no nonsense guy like joe judge but the other the other pick i think at eleven that would bother me just so we'll stay off quickly pay and stop picking on him for a little while. I like elijah vera tucker. I like him very much. But i'm of the opinion that if you're gonna take allies avera tucker you don't do it at eleven because i think there are simply better football players that will be available. I think if he's the guy that you want and it makes sense for the giants to to absolutely make sure that they come out of this draft with a player who at the very least is a plug and play starting guard. But i think if you're gonna go get elijah vera. Tucker you trae down to fifteen with new england or you trade down to sixteen with arizona or you know you make some sort of moved down the board which is the anti gettleman thing to do. Of course man. You guys are like you know. The took quick pay and add wanted him. I wanted to say mike parsons. I mentioned the cowboys. How they're pretty draft press conference on tuesday and they have really dodged all questions about picking up leighton vander s fifth year option which they have to do by next week. Obviously and i don't think they're going to do it. That's just my own personal opinion. Because you you're seeing all these other options get picked up like left and right. I mean stephen. Jones said on monday on the radio that they were gonna talk about it. After the droughts like dude you know just you could be honest. You're not going to do it. You know if you're like three days between the draft and the deadline so mica. Parsons would feel like really trying to like make amends and the cowboys have been awful at drafting linebackers. I mean leighton vander esch side. It jalen smith at thirty fourth overall. Pick five years ago. So that would really terrify me. In terms of overall sunk costs at one position but for the purposes have been different. Something else jerry. Jones mentioned in the press conference was all the concerns. they had about medicals and and talked about janeiro. Tucker maybe trading back and if if the cowboys traded back it would sting less. But i would still be terrified if they drafted caleb farley There's there's you know legitimacy to that idea. And i feel for him obviously as a prospect. It always sucks whenever a player's at dealing with something like that and people are using injuries like that against him But even if the cowboys jump back to twenty with chicago chicago under the come up and get whatever quarterback it was and say they picked up a second round. Pick this year our first round pick next job. I don't think that's likely even in spite of that. I would you know we would. We would try to tell ourselves. They really walked away with the best corner in the draft. But i mean i. You know the these. These rolls of the dice haven't worked out for them. Jalen smith is one example. And jerry jones sounded against that so i'm encouraged but that's maybe my life absolute worst case scenario. So can i. Can i throw since you mentioned guys. Wanna hate all over dude. They'd go ahead no. I don't want to hate all over dudes but another one. You mentioned injury concerns and it made me think about giants and edge rusher in jalen phillips out of miami. I think he might be the most talented rusher in the entire class. But he may also be the biggest gamble because he's one bad. Hit away from another concussion that that might end his football career. He lost what a year and a half to concussions. You know in college as it is and and just that that history scares me to death it would. It would be such a huge role of the dice for anyone who takes him especially early in the first round that you love the talent but it's like at eleven i. It would really make me nervous. I couldn't do it. I agree and jalen phillips. I think the risk is too big just even like from a standpoint of like what if he suffered another serious injury. Maybe it's not even a concussion. Or it is and he just decides to leave because he's just been through so much like i just think like you know i think the the threshold for him to kinda reach the point of like. I just need to walk away in like do. What's right for my life like isn't very high but it's funny. Rj and some of these were. We already touched on kinda wanna flip this question make it like no. Who is the best picked like. Who do you want to see other teams take. Ideally that you wouldn't be like scared about being off shoe. They took that guy To me i'll start it off with the cowboys is you mentioned our day. I put caleb parley in there because like the back stuff. That's come up with him because of the injury is like really scary. And i don't think the cowboys would take him attend but you've been saying pencil trade down Just cornerback general. Okay with them going that way because while i think it as a whole i just think i'd rather them not go off. Its lines. i'd be okay with corner with the giants i have heard. Mike parsons in play. More the dance that number eleven so that for what you will but i think that is definitely a realistic possibility of happening. I mean they've got them in. Did one say that positional value is a crock So we know he's not going to trade down so. I think parsons could be a play. They're also very wishful thinking for me. Obviously the heels. I want them to take devante smith. I'm not worried about the weight thing at all. This is a guy who like rag top five in yards per route run against press coverage in two thousand nineteen and twenty. Twenty is the guy who doesn't get hurt despite being only one hundred sixty six pounds. This is a guy who shined the brightest out of very good teammates. Still waddell jerry. Jeudy henry ruggs. Smith was the shining star from that group. So when the heisman don't over think it eagles take him an for washington a little bit to figure this out for me. But i said like zaven collins linebacker position. That doesn't really seem to like move. The needle for them in a big way would be ideal for me. What about you guys and you go. I all right. I'm gonna agree with g on the pick for dallas. Because if they want to go. If they wanna go corner caleb farley and and and probably. Mike parsons i would put both of them in there for the eagles beal. Gee i'm going to give you the guy that you want. I'm going to say you know. I want you to have. I want you to have devante smith to pick. Because because i love it if because if i'm the giants and i'm sitting there and i have a choice between jalen waddell devante smith i want jail. I want loom run. I want the punt return. I want the dynamic home run hitter to be honest with you. I want the guy was the better player at alabama before. He fractured his foot period. I want that guy. And i also want the guy who reminds me the most in this draft of sean jackson. Because i want to do that to you. Guys for new years wow. There's a lot of consternation. Here i'm I'm tempted to say that. I want that because i would also love like endless complaining of like who's the fifth best receiver in the nfc. East behind amari. Cooper market galaxy. Lamb and cedrick wilson and. That's other thing. Like i would love each of these teams trying to chase. What's cd land is for the cowboys. So that would be a lot of fun i. Mike parsons is an easy answer. Obviously i think for the cowboys. I there's a lot like i can talk myself into a number of directions but i think the safe this one and that's what i really want. I don't ever want to look back at. What was it like. It's painful enough when you look back. Like a nineteenth overall pick that sex. Because it's still a first round pick but a top ten pick. I don't want them to watch. And that's why. I really just want patrick's tant just take the high floor. Just hit your ground rule double and be satisfied with it and move on and live to fight another day. You can swing for the fences somewhere else. If you wanna trade up with one of your other nine picks in the second round go ahead and do that but be smart when it comes to this pick And i in that respect. It's tough saying goodbye to jc horn. But i think this is the safest possible route for them If i mixing things up a little bit i kind of now wanna see devante. Smith go to new york and jalen wahdan go to philadelphia jam. Just 'cause like that would be a lot of fun to sort of work around. I think i would love to see ed. For the reason you said there tucker go to the giants And just just to hear about how they've got him in if he hadn't been so opposed to trading down that he could have walked away with him picked up more capital. That would be a lot of fun. biaggi in a weird way. If the cowboys patrick's i would love to see the eagles walkway with jc horn. Because i'm not you know. Unfamiliar with the eagles and cowboys walking away with the player at the same position. The kind of sounds like cornerback in the same class in the cowboys. Getting a player. That's five hundred times better than what the eagles got. So i would love to see that. As far as washington is concerned at didn't have an answer and i feel badly about this because he and i went to the same school and he will be on the espn nation nfl. Show this week so shout out to him. He was a delightful interview. I would love to see washington reach for kellyn monde. That would be awesome. I would love the first five quarterbacks to go maybe by fifteen or you know whatever and washington to panic and say we have to walk away. We really want that fifth year option. Let's take in mind. And we've got quarterback of the future. That would be a really fun thing for me. This ties into my final question. That head for you guys. I think we can go through each of our own teams here. Like let's rank the three options of trade up trade down or stay put in terms of likeliness. I think for each team. I think that's an interesting thing to do. The guys what. I'm saying there so about talking. Likeliness like overall most most probably at least probable yet most like so one two and three ranked trade up trade down or state. But as your most likely three things. Mr valentine will you please i so you wanna go just for me just for the giants all right. So it's dave cattleman overall pick all right so in some respects so so trade down has to be the least likely option. Although when i sit here you can make an argument that it might be the best option that it might be the best scenario mean if you know depending on again on you know who's on the board how far down you wanna go. I've i've gone through a million scenarios and depending on what you get back. I think the giants could justify going down as far as twenty two the bears if they get if chicago once a quarterback and they wanna come up to eleven and give the giants of first the first round pick. I'd be tempted to do that. You know first round. Pick in two thousand twenty two. I'd be tempted to do that. But i think it's the least likely scenario for the giants. Just because of dave cattlemen's history. I think trade up is something you can never ever rule out with dave gettleman. He's probably done that. At least in eight drafts with carolina in the giants. I think he's done net at least seven times where he's traded up in the draft to go get a player. I just don't see how it's possible or how it makes any sense for him to do that. This time around. He's only got six picks to begin with. And you don't want to dip into next year so i don't see how it's how it makes sense for him to do that. So i think the most likely scenario for the giants is to sit tight and take whoever they think is the best player and and we did. You know i think it was. I think it was. It was peter king who wrote the other day that that there are some who think that joe judge likes one of the alabama wide receivers and others who think that cattleman likes mike. Parsons in some who think the best players is jc horn. So we don't know how that arguments all going to pan out. But i think the most likely scenario for the giants is that they make the picket eleven. Okay i'm going to exploit jason segel are going to have the worst pick so i think the least likely scenario for the cowboys is trading up. I don't think they can justify it in any way. I know that people think jerry jones is infatuated with cop. It's there's no. There's just no way and i think that the board looks like it will fall in a way to where they're gonna walk away with a really talented player and and that's the case for all three of these teams honestly. I when when you're picking that high which is shot out to the nfc easter being so terrible year So i i don't think it would take. It would take an incredibly low price for them to move up. I think so. I think that's the least likely. I think they're just marginally more likely to sit and make the pitch than they are to trade back. I think i think all of that is what's out of their control With regards to justice fields falling or whatever the case may be. I think if the board works of very particular way and another team is desperate enough. I think dallas is the team to come up with if you wait past carolina carolina such a weird team to try to figure out who like. Maybe they do want to take a quarterback. Whatever but so. I think that they could potentially trade back. And if the reports are true that they really would trade back specifically patrick's tan is off the board. Then fine trade back and do whatever you want And i won't be too upset about it. Obviously pick up as much compensation. But i think that they. They had so much. Go wrong last year. I mean like injuries in weird crap and obviously everybody dealt with covert and i think that they just want something stable and i think that they you know. You don't have to wait that long. If you have a top ten pick. I think they just wanna make their pig. They wanna get out. They want to consider it a win and then they wanna prep for friday. So i think it's far more than anything that farmer but i think the most likely thing is that they take their player with ten overall for me say it is in terms of most likely to least likely the eagles trade down number one again. It's most likely most likely number to stay. Put number three trade up. So why trade down as well. There's been some talk out there. Todd mcshay rumors like buzz. He's hearing a column for. Yes bien this week in in their talked about how the eagles are kind of putting feelers. Out there two teams that might wanna trade up Presumably for quarterback yet. I've been seeing these teams lot in the past looking at no washington. But eventually although i don't know about individual trade but the bears twenty certainly it makes some sense. Maybe a small move to the patriots at fifteen. They're still quarterback. Let's say justin field to slow on the board at number twelve somehow So that's within the realm of possibility. And i think where you look at where the eagles are in terms of. They know this all in europe by any means like that was part of the reason. They traded down from six to twelve. They very much. In the process of accumulating Future picks. i think they would love to get even another. I if they can in next year's draft or maybe a day two pick which i think you could probably get If you're moving down even from just twelve fifteen. So i think that's the most likely i think staying put the number two I think they should reasonably be able to avoid the nightmare. Scenario and have one of the three corners one of the two corners one of the three receivers at twelve. I'm not really buying the trade up thing like they moved down from six. Why are they then moving up like what are we talking about here like you move down again a move up again like i just don't think that's the most realistic thing. Okay file so we all think i know you don't think they're sitting there making the you think they're trading down more than anything so the eagles are cowards. Is what you just said. Oh man i don't know what's going on with the eagles. I can't figure them out. So all i know is this is a team that won a super bowl not that long ago and then looked like it was set up for a long run of success and has pretty much self destructed from within. Yeah i mean why the super bowl like so. I think the big frustration point where the eagles are right now. Is that the super bowl at least to me. Speaking for myself is that ideally the super bowl should be this reminder of like your teams greatness in like how well run they are and how you know just how better they were than everyone else and in the moment that's how it felt an ina vacuum that is true but when you look at the larger context since then it is very much like the exception and very much like oh. The team caught lightning in the bottle that year. It actually. they don't know what they're doing. So that's the depressing part of it but I feel like before we wrap. We should also a who we think are well. We didn't get to washington. Do we think they are more likely to trade up They're sitting in chen. they have no creativity. I don't buy that. They're jumping for a quarterback. Because i don't think unless it's just an fields. Justin fields are the only one that i think they're jumping up for and maybe like at that point. Maybe denver is the spot because maybe they do. They don't want to trade with under the division rivals and they've you those three spots as spot. The chicago or new england could jump up. So but i think they ultimately show. I don't think they trade back though because they're they're already past point so let me say i was just gonna say i would agree with that. I think they're going to sit tight. I mean unless unless they make a deal to eight or something for for trae lance if you happens to be sitting there but but that's a long way to jump that that's gonna cost them an awful lot you know for a guy that's probably not gonna play in two thousand twenty one that's gonna cost them an awful lot of draft picks so i think they sit tight. So why don't we say who we think. Our teams are going to draft starting with rj. We'll do it in draft order so we'll go rj. Ed let me. And then we can make pick for washington as a group It's gonna draft by the way who you want them to who they're gonna drop patches for ten. They've been linked to him. They reported been the team. That's talked to him. The most which makes sense positionally with his value. I think it's interesting. The jason garrett era ed the cowboys drafted i think one alabama player and it was both scarborough They would double that in the first two years without him. Obviously they took trayvon digs last year. petrol certaines fellow corner at alabama. So jason. Great himself took an alabama player last year. Technically although not on his side of the ball but but yeah patrick's tan and everybody's happy. And then i can't wait to watch you. You know the answer to this already. It's jalen waddell. I think the alabama connection the fact that that they they were thirty. I in offense a year ago dave gettleman said the other day that even though they signed kenny. Golladay you know they want touchdown makers look at the giants and i think you golladay has an injury history sterling. Shepherd has an injury history and even with that big signing. If one of those guys gets hurt. The giants still don't have enough on the outside. So i think it's jalen waddell so i'm going to say devante smith for the eagles even though i had quit pay in my thing for bgn. Because i reached the point where i think the eagles know that they are getting crapped on. Heart like howie roseman. Hearing fire how a chance at philadelphia phillies games. Like i think they know they can't go with the pick that new. This is wishful thinking. But i think they might be at a point. Where they they. They know they can't do the. We're outsmarting everyone. We know better than everyone pick again like. They've done in recent years as most recently as last year with jalen regular. So i think they're going to go with devante smith there in part because like hey if we get this big wrong damn crap because this everyone wanted so not to say. That's the best way to do it. But i think i'm gonna go with devante which brings us to washington i'm gonna say khorasan. Dare shaw. there saw is who they get there. I would say the saint dare saw elizaveta tucker Somebody along that offensive line. Yeah they're going to double down. You know along the offensive line and and feel like they have enough. I mean feel like they're building in the trenches and you know i. I think that that's what they predictable. I think this is really interesting in that. Washington was kind of life the alabama of the nfc east with all their defensive lineman obviously and we like it would be fascinating if dallas new york and philadelphia went. Bam bam bam like that would. I don't know that that's ever happened before in the nfl draft Especially in the first round where three players in the same school went let alone to the same division So that will be very cool And think about all the like things we could write about like. Oh yeah patrick's retain dominated you know devante smith in practices but jalen wok vestige him all the time it. It'll be incredible. So i i think that would be fine well and thank you for taking the time to join us. Big blue view dot com all the best new york giants steph in the world leading nation. Your home for all of a sudden the eagles continent you need. Obviously blog on the boys dot com your home for the best team in the world. The dallas cowboys ed. We'll give you the last word these last things that anyone's going hear from anyone in the nfc east before the nfl draft. What do you want them to hear. I want them to hear that. Now that i think of it. I kinda want the cowboys to draft. Patrick certaines so that we can watch jalen waddell and devante smith run past him for the next few years. A hard for everybody have a good one. We'll see you next week.

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AP Laboratory - Weekly Chiefs Mailbag (Ep. 229)

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43:24 min | 7 months ago

AP Laboratory - Weekly Chiefs Mailbag (Ep. 229)

"What's up everybody. Thanks for joining today. My name's kent swan. So this is the ap laboratory kicking off your monday with little mailbag edition as we like to do answering all your questions giving you guys all a chance to participate in the show and we got three people participate in here in the show ourselves here. I five months later. Chief in carolina mattie lane. How's your weekend. Well i do now know what it would be like if i was a weekend. Lumberjack for a living. I spent all weekend finishing cutting down. Trees had fallen during an ice storm and hauling them all around my yard. It one point in time just out of anger. I just yelled about how sean wade might be. Slower than david arnett. Brian hotline came out of the tree. Line and just smacked me in the cheeks. I now have a mere shiner on the right side of my face. Just because i'm slandering ohio state into the open air and besides that i mean we can was good tiring but good. I'm doing good craig. How're you doing today buddy. I hope you did not also get caught by. Brian heartland right hook no brian. I'm not famous enough for brian. Harte line to be in my mentioned. Listen when you've got a mattie lane on this podcast. Mattie has been brought down a peg lately and he needs to be done. This is not fair. Pete people coming after mattie people have matty takes about about his role about where he well. I haven't that. I haven't read the question now real quick virtuous six or angie richards six. When did that become toby. Toby no no he. He's darryl if he's daryl own it is i need you. I need you to explain that because darryl is the best character on the office yes he absolutely is. he's cool. he works hard. He's a great dad. Like this. see these are all matthew lane things. So i am not going to stand for this matthew lane slander any longer. I still i thank you. I appreciate the kind words i also. Darryl is one of the best characters on the office. But i liked even when craig's building me up. He wants to push me off into the warehouse away from him and kids stares up at the office. You are up in the office now. We're house were up in the off. Okay oh so so craigslist late season. Darrell yes no. Mattie is late season. Darren not address late season daryl. Sorry he's late season of the office. Daryl that look i. I'm not trying to slander. Dale the character but to just go out and say he's the best character. Just i found that to be quite take. There's a lot of takes your flying here in the bag and we'll just get to some of them. We always start with the five star reviews. I do wanna shout out. Ryan os seven six seven zero six. Thank you for the five star review. A very loaded question. It would probably take twenty five minutes to answer. I really do. Hope we give you all the substance that you're asking that question you know throughout the next couple of weeks because i promise you all that stuff. We'll wind up coming up but so shallow to him. Thank you for the nice review. Brian stewart ninety six Just preorders guide anyone. Who's ever wrote a report before knows that even more work went into that than it already seemed on the surface. Thank you thank you brian. stewart ninety six by the way you can pre-order the kc draft guide. That's what a fantastic segue you've given us. Gum dot co slash. Casey draft guide. Twenty-one promo code lab gets to your for eight bucks l. a. b. Just say no. The question considering realistic available options day by day. Who are this players you most want the chiefs to come away with from this draught one for day. One day two one for day three. This is actually surprisingly easy for me day. One is evan jenkins offensive tackle out of oklahoma state. Anyway taken the. I love him. He's probably going to earn a my guys stamp for me as well. I i just love watching him. Play and the chiefs have an obvious need on their offensive lining probably play tackling. Probably play guard. figure it out. Get a player like that. That's that good in building day to a guy that i have fallen in love with recently watching tape. Michael carter the second out of duke day to dead late day to you. Wanna tell me that. I can catch him at the end of round three. This man could play slot. This man has the range to play deep safety. He fulfills multiple roles and allows you to move. Julius need to the outside. It solves a lot of the holes in your secondary and gives you a nother versatile piece he is scrappy. Like steve's vanilla once he is physical he will tackle. He's an excellent tackler and he's pretty fluid is well he is gonna fit and athletic profile he just not a super long guy and he's getting overlooked a little bit because he played a little bit corner. You played a little bit of safety. So teams are probably to look past him and then day three. I feel like i'm cheating here because this the guy that should go much higher than this but he tore his achilles in january deo oda out of vanderbilt is a along spagnolo edge. He plays tons of power. Two hundred and seventy pounds with freakishly long arms and he's ridiculously stiff and can't turn a corner so he's definitely a spagnolo edge but he played nose tackle for them at times and was great in a phone booth with his lateral agility. He's he's a pretty good technician on the edge. He was supposed to be at the senior bowl. but like i said torn achilles. He's probably gonna fall. He might have crept into that day to category before the achilles now he's probably gonna fall out of that a little bit fine with taking him at late day. Three and stash him on the roster until twenty twenty two normally brian. A question like this would catch me entirely off guard because it would acquire a little bit of research. However right here behind my office chair. I happen to have a whiteboard. Setup for baddies draft crushes in rounds. One two three three. So i will consult the board day one round one jalen phillips edge. Rusher out of miami. He's probably the top address on this draft class from after quitting pay. And even if. I could hear the argument that jane jalen that phillips they more skilled player than quit. He pays right now. He's younger. he's a little bit longer. I think you could make a pretty good case. That he's the best pass rush yes. There's some medical concerns in some rumored off-field south but. I'm not sure how much i buy into that. It just all about the medicals with him. Because there's a past of concussions. He did retire from football before transferring to miami from ucla but the fact that he was once a number one recruit in the entire country across all of football coming at high school shows up on the field. He's that special of an athlete and as a pass rusher. He's a guy that would fit. Steve spagnuola system perfectly on day two. Let's go with tied into tommy. Trimble out of notre dame guy. I think everybody that has watched him. Lately has come around on really weird because everyone falling in love for a guy that has like twenty two career catches in his entire college career. The tight end position but notre dame just never threw him the ball boy. He's he's got a lot of bodies in the run game but dum shag s and so as kim deluded to notre dame mostly use the a blocker. He is one of the best if not the best blocking titan in his class. And what's really special. It's not just as an inline blocker. They love to get him out in space and handle defensive backs in the open field to pull around the horn. I mean he does everything from a blocking standpoint but then when you see him move out throughout the open field you might be confused and think you're watching noah fant play for notre dame again because he's that level of athlete it looks like on the field so he's guys quickly got my attention. And then finally. I was gonna stick with notre dame. Let's give me their left guard. Aaron banks as well on day three. He's a massive body three hundred and thirty five pounds but he moves. Well he's got an ice feet. You're not going to confuse him for this perfect outside zone offense guard. You're not gonna pull them on long poles consistently but he can make every reach block you want. He can climb vertically to the second level. He's the guy that i absolutely would love to get on this team. I think he'd fit direction. The chiefs are going on the interior offense of line with the size and the power but still have that functional movement ability to the second level. I hate you mattie love. You can't yeah. Thanks a lot. Ron one allies vary tucker. I'm not sure if he's going to be available there. Frankly he's a guy that played along the interior historically. Usc moved out to tackle this year. Held up fantastically excellent athletic profile. I think he's a guy that you let him try and tackle. I honestly i. I think he'll stick. I don't know we'll be there but that's the guy would be irrational excited. I was gonna go. Tommy trimble on day two but that got lifted. Let's go ronnie perkins from oklahoma. And he's a guy that y might wind up falling in between pick thirty one in sixty three for the chiefs so a guy that the chiefs really wouldn't be able to take on day two. I think that's kind of the trajectory of him. I believe somebody mocked him in the top. Twenty five maybe daniel jeremiah mocked him in the top twenty five. Which was a little bit surprising. I don't love him that much but washed him against oklahoma state last week. I think and. I don't think he's got an elite first step but will bend physical holds the Whole really strong of the point of the tat point of attack variety of moves. I don't think he threatens the corner enough as an edge rusher to warrant a first round pick and i think that will limit his ability to develop a pass rush plan at the next level. But there's so much to like about him. These perfect fit as eastbound edge. I'll go david moore in round three Who might count as two picks because he's so white and he did a really good job playing center. We've talked a lot about him here at the senior bowl with his senior role performance. But i think he's best with the ball in his hands as gar. Tape isn't isn't as impressive as what we saw with him at center. I think he's a guy that you could develop in turn into a really quality center. Especially he wouldn't he measured in under six Two so he's kind of a smaller guy probably put the ball his hands and just let him anchor. The middle of your offensive line very good. Very good player really thought. He helped himself a lot that week. Just want the skips asked which receiver do you think that she should target round three or later. And why is it to and terry for me. It is not moran terry. Although i think there's some interesting traits to be had there the skills are still trying to catch up but i put this question out on twitter or a couple of days ago. I asked she's fans when they would feel comfortable a redraft. Taking gabriel davis a wide receiver out of. Ucf they ended his rookie season with six hundred yards seven touchdowns after being the buffalo bills third or fourth target and most people said they would like to or round three so taking gabriel davis who ran a five five four six to two hundred and sixteen pounds. How about we set forth by four. You did it again or five four. What you're confusing. The people on twitter massieu to this isn't jalen ferguson. sixteen pounds. Why don't we get the better version of him and draft. Seth williams auburn also listed at six foot. Two two hundred fifteen pounds but he ran a four five flat at the nike combine. He was a better player in college. And gabriel davis was. He brings similar size but the ability to work on the vertical plane at that size. I think our friend. Jake comp the two together when he was watching seth low. Mc said he reminds them of gabriel. Davis which is what sparked my twitter poll. When i was watching through it. I just think seth williams moves better in every direction. And gabriel davis ever did seth williams would be the perfect x receiver for the chiefs and give them the red zone target. Let's go. I'm gonna go real deep. He's a slot. Only guy that i really liked coming out of the senior. Boom negoth k johnson. Out of south dakota state's. I think he had a really impressive performance in mobile getting a chance to go up against talented. He frankly hasn't been able to go up against it. Such a consistent level so got to go up against a bunch of really talented players for an entire week. And i think he did an admirable job actually above admirable job I thought you know from a ability to create separation from the slot. I think he did a really good job against a variety of different body types. Impressive catching the football. I think he tracks the ball. Extremely well. I think he's actually pretty. I wanna say physical or tough at the catch point. But i think he overcame some challenges there to make some catches and i you know. I think that was pretty impressive. So there's a lot to like about him. He's a slot only guy i don't know if he's a great athlete and he's probably a later day three values than around three guy but i think he's a fun player to throw into the mix and give patrick mahomes at target underneath. That's operating in winning insured areas. I'm going to go with a guy that probably needs a little bit of work but will be taken before. K johnson nico collins out of michigan. Six four to fifteen with crazy long arms. And i know that that's going to excite a bunch of chiefs fans because they want kind of this. This big target patrick. Mahomes can find in the red zone. Be a catch point guy except nico collins also runs a four four forty so he is blazing fast huge player. He needs some development. I he he opted out this past year. We got to see him at the senior bowl without he looked pretty. Good going out there and you know going up against those cornerbacks but he is a player that needs a lot of work on his routes needs work with his hands. Getting off. Press things like that. Just the typical stuff that you would expect from day three wide receiver but from a trait perspective. If the chiefs wanted to keep that amount of speed on the field and get a bigger dude physical guy that can be a little beefier and stack some corners. They would be hard pressed to find a guy that fit that role better than nico collins. I. let's jump to some twitter questions. Jt penfield asked. If there's a run on tackles that starts around the early twenties. Should the chiefs consider moving up to snag a guy instead of waiting until rounds two or three to address the position. I think there's gonna be a run on tackles I think you're gonna see it. I think that she should hold off and be patient. I do think that there is value. That you're going to be able to find on on day two. And maybe it's not someone that you're as excited about. Maybe it's a guy that Like a james hudson. That might be a little bit more work or spencer brown. That might need a little bit more work. But i don't think. I wanna get too aggressive with this draft. I think there's so much value up and down the board. I don't wanna lose any of those picks and you've got to think about you know to get up to into the you know the twenties some rains you're probably looking at given up around pick So i don't really know if i love doing that In this class. I think i would just kind of hold off and hope that i can find value down the board. Be hanson one. What are your thoughts on. Tommy trimble he. Seems like a perfect complement to travis. Kelsey blocks well in not totally inept offensively. Do you see him as someone the chiefs would like and what round you project him to go. We'll what do you know. Thanks for reading. Ahead matt sands. I'm gonna need you guys to sit down for this one and take a couple deep breaths before you get too excited tommy. Trimble is going to be this year's george kittle. Not he's going to be as good in the nfl. As george kittle. I would be very clear about this. He's not as good as george kittle. But he's going to be the tight end. Every fan for every team wants their team to take because he's a great blocker and a super athlete. That was just grossly misused in college. He's gonna get drafted later than whatever his. Nfl production ends up saying he should have an everyone's gonna love it so with that being said everybody who watches tommy. Trimble seems to love him at includes draft twitter. That includes anybody in the national media. You're gonna to have to take him a lot earlier than george. Kittle where the draft. I think if the chiefs were to take tommy tremble you would have to take him at the end of the second round and i think you'd have to be hoping that he gets there because this is a good tied in class but he might be the second best athlete out of all these guys. He might be the number two athlete behind kyle pits. We won't have the full combine to know for sure but you can just tell on some of these plays where he's run blocking how he gets out into space so easily explosively. The he's a top tier athlete. The receiving skills can be taught. She just hasn't been utilized that way. I would love the chiefs to get them clearly by the answer earlier. But he's a guy that you will have to use a premium draft. Pick to get chief england fifty-five any chance we see tied in taken by the chiefs within the first two days. I wanted to follow both of these up together for the reasons that you just laid out but please elaborate yes. i think. There's a child that they go hide in in the first two days. And i think that that might supplant somewhat of a wide receiver weapon early. If they decide to do that. I think the chiefs realized that there is an advantage to twelve personnel within. Andy reid likes to run twelve personnel. And this feels a little bit like the running back situation last year. Andy reid kind of piece together that position for a long time and finally decided you know what we're done messing with it. I'm just gonna take one high at just be done with the position like that's what we're gonna do. I can see them doing that with tight. End being frustrated with tied into the lack of production. Not that nick. Kaiser was bad or anything like that but he wasn't good either. Andy reid wants to run a little. More twelve personnel. It's not out of the question that he can just decide. Hey guess what. We're gonna move travis kelsey out wide a little more often. We're gonna take a guy like a trimble. Maybe at friar move somebody like that. We're going to take a guy that can line up a little more in line and still be able to run good routes and we're going to base a little more often twelve personnel. So i definitely think that that's a possibility. I think they'd have to go day to if they're gonna try to find someone that can make an impact on day one so really weird class. I think personally. I think there some guys up top. That are kind of fascinating but for a variety of different reasons to like i mean. It's it's it's all over the place de johnson. Twenty nine which defensive personnel package was the least effective. And what could that be attributed to. It's the one you think it's the dime And it can be attributed to a lot of personnel been neiman was poor in the dime dancers did not have his best reps in the dime i the chiefs pass rush. Did not get home. Well with four. And steve spagnolo did not particularly want to often later in games with the dime out there so it was that position group. Now i know everybody's gonna hear that and go okay. Take a linebacker replaced been neiman. Gotta do that. First and foremost you know what that second level's fine if you're getting pressure with four like the chiefs did the year before when the dime was actually one of their more successful packages a just need to get a front four. They can get after the quarterback a little bit better. I think you're gonna feel a lot more comfortable about. What's on the second level there but the chiefs dime defense was really poor this year. We're going to take a break and we'll be back with more of your questions right after this support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. Treat yourself to those shoes. You've been eyeing with progressive. You could find out drivers switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you can be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in two thousand nineteen our taking your questions from twitter and seamus seven reached out and said what is the most likely chiefs draft pick that will get kansas city fans livid the fastest. I love this. I think that the chiefs second round pick is going to make the fan base very upset. I don't know exactly where it's gonna be. I just have this feeling the chiefs first round pick is going to be something that everybody accepts another running back that is going to tear the fan base in the pieces but their second round pick. I do think might be one thing. It gets people on their heels a little bit. And we've spent this entire podcast talking about tommy trimble so i might as well say it again. Now they're gonna take a blocking tied in that has very few career catches in the second round. And it's gonna make everybody a little upset at first. I could definitely see that. I could also see the chiefs. Drafting a defensive end off the bat and then spinning around around two and drafting a tight end or drafting a wide receiver and the chief's fan base losing their minds that they haven't drafted an offensive lineman at sixty three yet. I could see that being the case. Throw a name though our name okay. Let's say they draft Jason oh of in the first. That's people in that. Might drive people nuts too though right because there's zero south his final year this flood. Yes so it's jason momoa. I just mentioned and then it's pat fryer mouth a guy. That's not super athletic. He's a good fine route runner and a good find blocker. But that's probably a little bit earlier than i would personally like him. But through two rounds. You don't have an offensive lineman and you've taken two guys that don't have a ton of production one of them's got crazy upside but the other one is just going to kind of be there and be good at his position at tied into just be okay all right. I'm gonna tried to kind of go out. I don't want to go outside. The box will be here. But i'm gonna go for a position that we like or that we we would like to see them draft somebody but maybe goes two or three or goes two rounds too early. So i'll go back to andy reid in his routes and i'll say sixty three the kansas city chiefs take brady christianson offense attack a lot of. Byu i think. That's about two rounds too early. I don't think he's a guy that i would be overly excited about. Oh matty's got take real quick. This isn't a takes you finish. I just got another one. That i want to throw out since craig and i both did tight ends you finish. Go okay okay. I don't think brady christian sins got the as great have been athletic profile deserving. The sixty third pig. I don't think he does particularly well against power. I don't see a ton of upside or tennessee to him. I don't know if he's an older prospect either because at byu there's a lot of guys that are typically out matters shaking and he said yes he did a two. He's a senior or an ended a two year mission trip before. Byu can't hates him hates him already. It's if you're an old you're not gonna project. So that's that's the kind of like that's the kind of pick they reach on a tackle two rounds too early something crazy like that. What do you got mattie. So this is a guy. I think we all like him. But i could see how this problem again. And in the second round chiefs take safety at ucf. Richie grant to go into a secondary that already has a bunch of safeties but from my point of view it makes sense behind you can select can use one thornhill hired matthew and reggie grant together and let l'jarius sneed play outside again. It works for my point of view. But i don't think the fan base win the love taking another safety early man. I would love that though. Man steve's steve sphagnum would be drooling over that secondary in the versatility back there. I got another would. I don't know how we just do this. Rest of the podcast. Maybe qadir's tony round. Well now just upset me. I would be so mad serious. It's not a bad player. Don't take that as us think that he's a bad player. It not a bad player. I just they don't fit with this team. He's a terrible fit and you get wrong. Elijah more india. These guys can go into that. Exact same spot elisa route. Elijah boys better out runner. The canarias tony cadena's. Tony has better route running traits. I think elijah mitch allies more morzine. Better route runner but kadeer. You sony's a gadget player. That she's already have one that they're trying to fix in there and a gadget player. That really doesn't have a well developed route tree. Like how many of those guys can you throw on the same team. I'm sorry we probably need to move on. Nick nick harshest. This is obviously for craig. Just kidding which mocked tool. Do you guys prefer. I like the ability to trade but feel pf. Trade evaluation of draft capital swaps is realistic as peps grades on freight clark. Maybe i should read these a little bit more before. I tend to agree. I don't really like their evaluation of draft picks by. Here's the thing i think this is. This is the rule of thumb. I use just whatever tool you like. Whatever you whatever. You're feeling take the i five guys on the board and just take off in your mind and just try to operate like that. Don't just look at the. I five guys on the board. So you have all of a sudden some randomly. Jason oas there in the fourth round. You know just because randomly the the mock draft simulator. That will of your of your preference somehow kept one of these guys take like the i five guys off the board. Give yourself a little bit of challenge. It'll make it a little bit more realistic. Tomas ramirez will you take von. Would you take von or jj chiefs or was that it. Yes done. can i sign up for it right now. Both of them or either don't really care. Chiefs need another defensive. End opposite of frank clark. A productive one frees up a lot of stuff in their draft capital and their draft needs. Either one of those guys can come here. I know von is probably a little light. For steve spagnolo. But he's an excellent pass rusher and they need one of those. I would take either one of those guys. And i would pay them accordingly because i think that they that is so important to this team. It would help the defense. It would make things a little bit better and insulate you for games that maybe the offense isn't click in the way that you want it to daryl from. The office doesn't ride the fence. I will actually pick one. And i will take von miller of these because i think he would cost less than. Jj watt i think. Jj watt is probably safer you. You're were going to get a higher floor from him especially right now. Coming off not playing. Last year. I think von miller ceiling is still probably a little bit higher. Jj watt from the last time we saw nobody healthy von miller especially in a situational pass rushing role. Be the same von miller. Jj watt is never going to be the same. Jj watt. the destroyed the league early in his career. I think there's a chance bond. Miller still could be that same guy at least in a specific role so i would take a miller right now. Jj watt yeah. Gimme volunteer i. Both of these guys have had some injuries concerns in the past. Jj's i think is a little bit tougher country boy five six seven. She's will be aggressive in free agency. What would be your definition of aggressive if the chiefs lost the super bowl. I anticipated than being aggressive. And for me that simply means i think they will sign at least two guys that are gonna be slated with a very very very dark pencil to be starters as soon as they're signed. Maybe not in panic because camp in injuries always happened but is close to a lock as it can be. I think they will signed two new players to come to be starters i think they will also side potentially third player. That's going to compete as a starter. You know during camp through the beginning of the year. So i think they are going to spend enough money to go out and get a handful of new starters for this team across the offense defense now they might not go out there and pay anybody eighteen million dollars a year to do it but i think they will bring in at least two guys that start day one as replacement. They're better than the guys that played their last year. I'm going to say that they're gonna have a top tier player that they're going to sign whether that be wide receiver or defensive end. And i think that they will have a starter that they signed that maybe a mid tier guy along the offensive line. Because they're going to need a veteran presence there and then i agree like i. I think maybe we'll see like a sam linebacker or maybe a dime linebacker. Something like that. That guy that's not going to be more than just a rotational rule in this team. So i think that they will spend at three spots. That will play significance snaps. And i think one of them's probably going to be big. I think they're going to be that level of aggressive because they lost the super bowl. I think they're going to go out and try to get a blue chip. I think that's aggressive ultimately means with me building the roster with some of these guys in some of these rosters from he's mid-level roster i think going out and acquiring a blue chip would be or trying to acquire would be the definition of aggressive to me like i mean. Hey let's bring rob home i. He's never he may have never been canceled. But it's home now. wasted motion. How excited are you if the chiefs first salvo of free agency is trent williams. Gave me the pros and cons. If she signs route williams. I think i'm excited. And it makes sense. He's a guy. Come in he would improve your play at left. Tackle from over a healthy eric fisher. So that's what you're happy about your habit that you've got better at left tackle as a rug locker as a pass protector and you are now filling. This need with eric fisher not able to play next year. You are filling it with an immediate player. You don't have to address it in the draft. Feel good the cons are he's expensive. He's not particularly young. So it's a short term band aid and then you do always have the looming thing with his health issues that might prevent him from any of the play at some point in time might shorten his career. That probably doesn't have a ton of time left as is i don't know of. This is the move if i were that. She said want to make. I do feel like he would make a lot of sense. It's just. I would almost play the longer game a little bit rather than signing him for just a year or two to fill in while you have to wait and draft. Somebody else steve gray junior. How would you address offensive. Tackle this off season. Free agency and draft under the worst case scenario of no schwartz or fisher. Man that's tough because this free agents free agency class is top. Heavy with with trent williams russell. Oh coons out. Alejandro waiver is out there but then after that like it falls off a cliff and it's old. There's not a ton of guys that are young blue chip guys wanna spend money on so it's really rough from a free agent standpoint to try and fill that offensive tackle spot. I think that they're gonna stick. I think that they're going to try. And fill one of those spots with a guy that's in house whether or not that's martinez ranking seared. Durant like there's a couple of guys in there that they like. But i do think in that situation if both of those guys are missing that you can really slate the cheese as being aggressive in going and getting getting an offensive tackle early in this draft class because i think you have to have a starter and you can't wait until day to and try and catch a guy to band-aid and put patrick mahomes upright for the beginning of the year. Hasn't you have to be aggressive and go after a guy early. So if that's the case and they're trying to play in free agency and draft. I just don't see a major agency addition and they're going to be aggressive in the draft. Is that a situation where they have to trade up you say yes i think so i think out of desperation i mean. Honestly yeah because let's say you miss out on the first couple of years of offensive tackles. I know that. That's a lot of offensive tackles going off the board but you miss out on that. I hear now all of a sudden. You're probably know better to start the year. Then you were at the end of this past year and that is terrifying. I mean i- the this instant because fishers probably not going to be available to start the season. Nope and we don't know what's going to happen. It's like the beginning of the year. Could ultimately wind up being no fisher schwartz. Just how long do you have to navigate that four. And what i try to do to navigate it for the time being. It's to be fascinating. This is such an interesting off season. And here's the other thing. If you work to address eric fisher and the left tackle spot. You're probably just moving. On from eric fisher. Because i mean you. You can't make a commitment at your left tackle and then you know that means you're cutting probably right. It's gonna be interesting man. I can't wait jake. eleven oh eight brett. Vh loves snagging underperforming players on other teams. Who highly graded in pass dress. If you were each who would you grab if you were able to. Trade a six or seven from twenty twenty two draft capital predictions. Mattie changes the criteria. Craig gets a corner with an awesome see bat. Score takes an offensive lineman. Well i. we're all going to answer that one So here's the thing like some of these underperforming players that vicente acquires. It's normally guys that are released. I think he really does aja a good job and likes to play the released market To try to find value. Taco charlton was a guy that was released and The cheese ultimately brought him in And i think he earned himself some opportunity before the injury definitely there is. You know we'll see. I mean i wouldn't hate the cheese. Bring him back at taco charleston. So think it's just. I think ultimately the full philosophy around what he does trying to identify that value is basically playing off the guys that are ultimately cut and right. Now it's not even trading picks is just trying to find value in the guys that ultimately get released and he's typically very much in those markets especially if he ever graded. He really likes guys that he had a high grade on. I think part of his philosophy is betting on and believing in him in his team's ability to evaluate talent and the reason it didn't work was because he some someone else was in the wrong situation. Cody peel asks. Assuming compensation is the same. Would you rather trade for orlando brown having to extend him or trade up for elijah vera. Tucker who i think. It's elijah vera tucker for me and obviously orlando brown has the bigger impact. And he's already proven himself at the nfl level but that is why he is going to cost twenty two million dollars a year. And frankly i i'm. I'm all about investing in this offensive line. But that a steep price to pay for a tackle in this good of tackle class. If i can trade up for elijah various tucker. I think that i'm very happy with that decision. I can move him around a little bit. If eric fisher proves that he's healthy. You've got an excellent guard. You can probably mood right tackle as well. So he's a guy that can be moved around a little bit and you feel kind of comfortable with him. I would take the stab. The young guy like try and develop him keep him in house. He's got low cost potential for the first five years of his contract versus having to pay a guy twenty two million dollars on top of trading. Let's say a first third or something like that. That's an expensive contract. As we all know from the frank. Clark deal damon lindsay. Zach asks sam cosmi or dylan rates for the left tackle position matthew. This kind of a tough choice. I mean if i'm sitting here looking at both of those guys available at thirty one passing on both of them would be kind of bold right now. I definitely have. Sam caused me as a higher grade for me. The offensive tackle position. Just the issues. His foot work is really bad right. Now he essentially does it slide into his set at all. He's either straight up backpedaling or quick settings somebody every single play. But that's because that's all texas asked out of him so you will have to fix out the next level. Can you do that in one. Offseason can you not. And what's it. Look like if he still in that process. Whereas i do think dylan reductions could come in start. Maybe a little bit better early on. He could be competent player from jump street. I still think there will be some growing pains with him as well. He's a guy to me that just tries to do just enough to stay in the way rather than dominate the ramp. And i think for chiefs particular passing scheme. I don't know if that will always work patrick. Mahomes like drop deep. He likes to hold the ball a little bit longer than average. I don't know if dunes will be the best fit for that. So for that reason i would take cosmi us after. Realize that you're going to be a little bit of a learning curve. So caliban eighty-six what is the best to target in free agency versus the draft. It's kind of a weird way to approach this. But i actually would think about for the chiefs targeting the wide receiver market. It's a very deep class here in free agency. And i think the best chance and the best like i think this is a chance for the cheese to get good value in a guy that can step in immediately and helped his team. That doesn't mean. I wouldn't approach the draft as well but i think you could. If you could get a good veteran in here in the mix to play immediately you can find value on day three in the wide receiver class still too but go out and get somebody at the wide receiver. Get a pass. Catcher ak- is gonna step in day one and be a consistent contributor Ah bs equality. Third target for this team Because i think one of the things they they need moving forward. Is you know someone that like sammy. Watkins who is consistent on a week to week basis to help this football team for and russell two thousand eighteen. How does how do you guys feel about charles snowden. That's the linebacker out of virginia. By the way as a mid round developmental pick at linebacker. I have no problems. Taking charles charles snowden in the middle of day three. You're going to bring him in. You're gonna ask him to play as your sam linebacker. The ish the home. That i have is. He's not going to be able to replace what reggie ragland gave you two years ago. I don't even know if he's going to be able to do. Damian wilson did for you. He's not that physical run thumping block taking on kind of player. He's very long. He's probably more athletic than those guys. Who's a little bit better in his looks. Better moving in space was covered drops. I will never ever say reggie ragland is not gonna coverage we will all remember. Ragland is the best coverage. Linebacker team has seen under steve spagnolo edgar who years. So yeah but i think snowden is a little bit better coverage player from an athletic profile than both damian wilson or reggie grabbing would be. He's definitely a better pass. Rusher if you wanted to use him as a little bit more of a situational pass rusher asia's looks like the chiefs are looking for more thumpers at that. Same linebacker position and will snowden ca. Do that a little bit. It's just not what his strongest suit is so you would definitely have to utilize him in a different way to get the most out of them. But i wouldn't be mad in the middle rounds. He's a good athletics. Athletic prospect that you could make find a way to make him fit. Take derrick barnes instead baby. I'll like that like that. A lot. charles snowden elite teammate. Bull charleston's good. He's good football but in eliya teammates adding the elite team part. He was handing out bottles of water constantly because he could not participate. And i really appreciated that about and he was giving pointers and helping. You know trying to talk through some stuff with some guys. So i really did appreciate that about a charles. Snow cakes buddy. Johnson over both all right. That's enough money that's going to do it for the ap laboratory. Thank you guys so much for listening. We'll be back later in the week and address shows on wednesday. Be sure to check out everything going on on the arrowhead. Pride podcast channel. Appreciate y'all pitch.

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4/30/21 - Boomer & Gio Show - Hour 4 (9am-10am)

Boomer & Gio

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4/30/21 - Boomer & Gio Show - Hour 4 (9am-10am)

"I'm john mitchell. Welcome to fate a fact season. This series is about how and why fact became a casualty of war in the united states. Please listen and follow fate of fact a presentation of shopping city audio jon. Truman c thirteen original studio available. Now for free on odyssey apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts horses run one big. It may be yeah. Essential question is your favourite. Currently it is boomer and geo coming to you live from built ford tough studio. It's good to have these things back right whereas the masters one was supposed to be the derby rap last night with all the fans and everything else. Everybody hated the band. Yeah now do you think that The the The the nfl bring the draft. Cincinnati does does. The nfl realized that cincinnati has a professional team. The cincinnati realized. They do they do. I mean they. They do good job by the way they gave. Jomar chase replica. jersey too. I was looking i. I got an email from the from the bengals. Apologize for the jersey. But that's all they had. I'm surprised it was all you got from about. Supply chain issues get me in trouble with the bengal fans not the fans but the organization. Because you know you're you're making fun of them. While i'm sitting here and i can't stop you from doing what you're doing because that's your job is do what you do. But the facts are the facts is that they sent you a replica. Joe burrow jersey when you're one of the great players in their history. They should've sent you an authentic boomer jersey. That's what i would have done if i was a marketing. I don't even know if they have marketing. I don't they're fill team marketing up. Bet you'll find see now you're gonna make me look up the guy's name and embarrassing that's going to be a woman bengals front office. Good office marketing. Okay fine this person. Can we take caller. To of course go ahead. Let's go to fill in long. Beach fell what's happening. Rumor j. o. Was just two things real quick first of all. I'm going to the yankee game tomorrow and I did not even think about that. Aj hinch thing. So thank you jerry recco because now i have something to brew about on your own team. Yes that's true but Number two is you know. I was watching this draft last night and Like a lot of people you know with the second pick. I was wondering. Are they gonna find a way to screw this up. They always find a way. I was happy. They take that wilson. I didn't think they screwed up. But i gotta say i was even more excited when they traded with your vikings gio and they got that linemen because think joe douglas and robert saw you know these guys. I think on the same page and they're actually going to build something here and it's the first time you know you better. They drafted darnold. It didn't feel necessarily like everything. Was clicking you know. They didn't have everything together. And it just seems like these guys. Go in. And i feel like you know. This is the foundation for something. Good so i feel like for these jeff van. Anybody who's worrying anybody who said we need to trae lance. We needed this guy you know. Give me some time. I think they got something good going. Go fill all right little positively on this post raphael. Good front man for christ sakes all right. Brian cells is the name of the he's the vp of the bengals. Chief marketing officer. So okay brian cells. Vp chief markets marketing officer of the cincinnati bengals. He's the guy essentially. So so. Brian in the bengals didn't understand. Is that when the jets. One through their new jersey's they sent a beautiful blackbox member that all and they said all the media members including destroy i played for them but they send us all legitimate jerseys that they had nike made up with all our names on the back of. Yeah i mean. I had one. That's tell you do it now. I don't maybe they did that in cincinnati. I don't know maybe that that could be something that i don't know if the team does that on their own or they do it in conjunction with nike with the with the the roll out of the new uniform and what it looks like. I'm not sure so. I'm not really sure what's because i don't live there. I don't know but i just the jets off to the jets. Because they didn't. I was trying to do the bengals a solid and say hey. I'll wear your new uniform. I'd love to wear because i actually like it. They went to that sporting goods store. What's the name of that books. Yeah they went to cooks in florida. Joe burrow jersey on discount and mailed. They may agata fanatics who knows. Let's go to robert morris down. Robbie what's happening. Hey boom orange what's going on. Hey longtime jeff van here you know par to the boomer days over there Excited about zack wilson. Obviously i liked swag. And i'd rather concern. I want to kind of bring up one half your guys thoughts and just looking at him on. Tv you know his size and his ability and he seems he just looks small to me and You know he looks like a high school kid. And i'm excited about them all that. But what are your thoughts about like. I'm just worried about his door ability. Well you know so. So he's He's six three and a half. I believe at two hundred ten pound. You know two hundred and ten pounds. He's twenty one years old so just for comparison. Aaron rodgers is six to steve. Young was six one so he's bigger than both of those guys but he's got to fill out a little. You know when. Sam darnold came back a second year. He looked a lot bigger than he did when we first drafted him. The same thing will be said for joe burrow and justin herbert next year and to a chunk of iowa for that matter. What did he say like boyish figure. That's what they say. Boys goya's saying boyish you've heard that man. He's a kid. I think a boyish face boyish figures thing. We saw a lot of Maui has like a little boyish figure. nice like tommy lou. Gower seems like he's going. Yeah very boyish. It's the it's the very it's the smallest frame. You know like the tight sort of chest. Small chance thin thin waist. Boyish twenty one. I i know he's gotta fill out man. I did see a lot of people on. Twitter seemed to be very taken by his mother zach. Wilson's mom thing last night for sure. Another thing yeah. With without a doubt she was right. Good for you The gentleman from pauling what's happening. Hey why you alum and jets fan. And as i'm excited as a jets fan. I just looked at that. Coastal carolina game. And that's what worried me an amazing online in college. I mean just big guys because the carolina was thinking who looked pretty mortal. All the other game is awesome. Well the jets are pretty massive offensive line around them right now. I i hope so. But you know the nfl. The heck of a lot faster and coastal carolina is even nfl caliber and that seemed to be the game. Where the first half he was very rattled. Second half he was together an almost wanted himself. South isn't that question. Yvette the hang up on so james in you you went to. Byu are you a. Are you a native around the tri state area here. And you went out there or tell me your history because i want to know the adjustment period from utah to here for zack wilson. Because that's something that's in my head. I grew up in jersey. i went to byu. I'm a mormon so it was kind of a cool experience the around other mormons. I didn't have that in jersey. So that's why. I did that so i've always been kind of a liable but i grew up in moorestown. Okay so to reach out to zach. Wilson is mormon frontier. That's right well j but jamie for someone who grew. He grew up in utah. He spends entire life there. And then he's coming here to the jets quarterback he's gonna live in new jersey and putting your life on its side. Do you believe that. That's going to be an adjustment period for him now. Not at all okay. Good kill They'll be fine here southern california roads as well He is. I think even bought a house in southern cal from what i read from us. Let's say i i. I don't see an adjustment at all. I think he'll he'll blend right in. I mean honestly from what i've read is a stand up. Guy is not gonna do anything stupid like other new york. Athletes have done in the past so from that standpoint. These very safe guy. he's not gonna do anything Good i mean i just. I know it's sort of a might be somewhat of a neanderthal. Take but i just. I just know how different is around here neanderthal. I've noticed that. But just in this particular instance. I just feel like you can't get any more four away from what we have here in the tri-state area in this country than utah. I just asked a fly over state. Yeah i mean th th. I mean we see all the time i mean in and out of the city. The stuff that we're seeing is one of the more over there. Go though the whole there's an where over the last guy to that you've been on the jets roster. No but which really. It's not going to have a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal. It's everything the kids wanted his entire life. The jets quarterback. But i love the fact that solid said. You're not making us we're making. Yeah no it's great love that he does exude confidence and he does seem like he's got it together and all those things are good. It's just that's that's a big leg. Rob sala were an animal. What kind of animal. You think he'd be a lion a hairless lion. You know those rams that bucked their heads together he corn she yeah bighorn sheep but they bighorn sheep when they booked their heads together like that and the other bighorn sheep. That's what i think. He's like a guy that just going to go in there and banging his head india. You gotta love that. I agree but i also think that he's got he's got more than the king of the jungle type of thing going on with him. He's demand patty and east hanover. New jersey. patty what's happening. What's going on guys. friday. Yeah you know it. You got caught up crying. Here's was so bad. I hate my shot up on somebody else. Yeah exactly the jets might've made the right call. The kid looks exciting. Nobody knows what he's gonna baby. What finally the jets. How structure in place for them. Pay nothing joe douglas. If he knows anything that he's proven he knows the draft because when that's picking up fourteen. I saw that green pop up man that i have that adrenaline. Let's go baby. let's go. Yeah talking about the air when that happened. We came right back from a break and in bang nara. Was i thought. I was going to be ready to break down the vikings pick and it went green. And let's go perfect on the air for the pick. It was awesome so that was exciting and joe. Douglas went up got the best garden. The draft kenan jersey city. Hello ken hey how's it going. Hey all right so bouma question for you when you're in when you're in the green room and one of these drafts. They got a bathroom back there. Yeah they do. But i wasn't in the green room i was. I was at my university of maryland. College dorm room so i did have a bathroom but i. I know what you're getting at because it did look like mac. Jones had to go to bathroom. Didn't it yeah. He had the fist clenched. He was walking real fast. I've been there. We've been there. Yeah it was either. It was two things. I thought it was either that or was sort of like the the walk. Shame without with being the walks chain kinda like he had that whole thing going. But i if people did the side by side with bella checking him. You just hilarious. It was a weird gate. Though like immediately people were talking about his walk. Yes i know in the way his suit fit like. He's got big hips. Does he's like child hips. Yeah my man frank. Reicher loved those hips. Avi in brooklyn. Avi what's happening. i'll be lost. Avi you're not doing a good job over there today. yeah. I think it's not him. I think that this guy you screen guy you put them right up there. Expect them to be there twice it an app so i mean it's just what can you do when you take this. Many calls is going to be a lot of. Today is a day because now the draft. I i understand it is cold. Yeah mcjohnson walk kind of weird. I was right away. pete hoffman. Who was producing our draft show. Last night i was like you see guys walking up at the tv. I wonder if the scouts saw that bill. Belichick jones he walks up is god. Can we changed right now. Mac did you have to go number two or something or did you. Just get off the peleton. Your ass hurt her. Any reason was very very odd but hey good for him to go out there. Imagine mack jones turns out to be a perennial pro bowler and the jets are taken another quarterback three years. Let's hope happens the other way around a Avi want any idea remember. What did it say up on his screen. Something about me. Having a for rob solid says you sound like you're you have the hots for rob solly comparing him. The animals bald big beautiful ball slamming into things. Yeah right her like my son in law likes to slam into whatever. Okay moments you'd like to have back for five hundred please boomer and geo on the cbs sports network the odyssey app. We'll take a break and we'll do all oh never mind. We're not gonna take a break so we've got a special. It's not avi in brooklyn. Know what what timing you want to introduce our special guests. i guess. So it's my son gunnar gutter good mortar man. How are you it et guys. What's going on. So i guess the reason that we had to talk to you today. Was we need your take on where you stand on this aaron rodgers packer situation because meeting your dad. We're on the packers side with this. And we think that arends being a little bit of a prima donna and complaining too much so we want to get it from a packers fan. Someone who's been paying attention to it. My initial reaction typing is just sheer disappointment And before i do take the packers side and i m shareholder so i am an owner and i have steak and I i will say i was. I was not thrilled with a jordan. Love draft pick last year busy grad myself also not Not super thrilled with that But it played. The pieces did work last year. I think that they'd put pressure on. Aaron sort of like a it hearkens back to when when when brandt was was starting quarterback in net errands back. They're ready to roll And there wasn't animosity if you remember back then So i think it's sort of history repeating itself all over again i i hope. And pray to god. There doesn't leave the packers. Because i don't think jordan loves the answer yet But i i do agree with you guys that i think having this play out in the media ways doing is definitely leaving it. Bad mouth and You know. I guess we'll see what happens for the rest of the draft here couple of it so tell these guys. You told me about. Zack wilson when you watch them play at byu. i will say i was. Obviously he's got jalan and as we all know And i think. I think it probably comes with a novelty washing Wyoming again and there isn't quite the same novelty for byu game. But i think when. I watched that wilson. It reminds me of josh. The way that when the best players out there being the best player. He looks like he's having great time. He's having a blast and i. I love that out of college. Quarterbacks it reminds me of When matt ryan was at dc to be a good quarterback at great player you know a mid major score score. Not you know highly touted as a school. That's going to go to the national championship. You gotta be really good. Yeah you gotta have good throws making Really accurate downfield grows to a lesser athletic. You know know pieces in the auk growing. You know you're not making the scene throws his points. That trevor lawrence is is making over at clemson. I will say my spiciest take of all though is that i think the jets probably should have lost everything okay last year. They blew it by not doing that. Yeah now. I said the same thing at the time. And zack wilson. Sort of in. My opinion came out of nowhere. Because it was all about trevor lawrence trevor lawrence trevor lawrence and then when they won that game against the rams everybody turned their attention well just in fields where they draft justin fields. And maybe they'll hang onto sam. And then zach. Wilson burst onto the scene. It was like of course it was going to be the number two but that wasn't the take at the time when they won that game. I just hope this wasn't in over evaluation because the jets desperately needed a cornerback. Yeah i will say one thing. I was super bowl exact. Well if in july solvent mirror selfie last night he's He's going to his first day on the investing banking analyst. He's not really a really a first round quarterback like photo on tiktok or something. Yeah well we appreciate your colon. And you've nail nailed josh allen one. That was a big one. You know your dad's kinda stole that take and made it his own and claimed his new it but really it was the credit did. But then he has given equal. He has given credit among Like our social circles like that and but he's got great page. You don't think that this isn't the first time that i've been getting my thoughts and input that i've found on tv in some way over his fifteen year career. Doing you're right. You're right the very very accurate. So are you doing all right. Yeah things are good. I get guinea a thirty second. Psa you haven't gotten vaccine yet make sure you do. They're safe effective and Got say that people like me what she have your family brother. Sister parents living with cancer. Autoimmune disease we need to get vaccinated. That's how we will reap the benefits of this and bring the pandemic of the end. Thank you everyone is already done that. You haven't done it yet. Nature you get out there and schedule they are. They are available everywhere try. Yeah and by the way you'll be happy to know that the entire boomer and geo staff has gotten at least one shot most gotten our second house the one is a little bit of a straggler but he's on his way got his first shot. So we are. We're all good here gun. Love that love to hear it all right very good. Great hearing your voice. Great talking to you. And i'm glad that you take our side with aaron rodgers. I was ready to fight you this morning on that. But you were in all over in alignment so No fighting they got me on. Jc about love you. I okay kidman. Yeah i hadn't known he was a good kid until now really the things you've said kid man. He's thirty years old for crying. Out loud homeowner getting married sorts of crazy stuff. He's the best eerily is the best me and him. We shared a lot of commiseration and two softball. Yes that's exactly the word i was looking for. He's gonna play favorites. You know that or us at all. I played you guys can you. You cannot accuse me of being like one of those helicopter. Dad's his kids. Got to do everything right. No no i remember you ripping gun or a new one. When he forgot his jersey. I was great. Yeah got you. You lost your vote. When he kept dropping a ball at second base you remember that. Yeah i know but he made a good play therapy. The we're watching. The highlight gunned down at home. So the funny thing about that that was over at fort. Hamilton in brooklyn and matt and randy are out and left and left centerfield and they watch governor dropped two balls at second base and they know that i'm just saying we're ready to snap. And then he drops a third one and the guy safe at second. But somehow mix up and throws like aaron rodgers the home plate that joker rare of tag and then started mouth often a guy throughout the army guy. Eight your day sergeant. Great joan those fish in joe knows that you're out suck on my glove bom office. Connor joji pick them up and fired it from the outfield. I've told a story maybe far too many times at least be somebody who hasn't heard this yet. It was a day. I i was having a day like that where out on the field couldn't get ahead couldn't do anything right defensively and i come back to the dugout and you're like gee you're out a seat. I sit down on a bench and gunnar comes over and sits next to me. It doesn't even look at me. Just looking straight ahead he goes. I know exactly where you're at right. I know maybe feel good. It did jon meacham the host of cadence thirteen's new podcast fate. A fact on how america and its political parties got to where we are today available now on odyssey apple podcasts. And wherever you get your podcasts. The morning show with boomer esiason in gregg giannotti boomer zero. What's happening. Jared are brought to you by dell technologies. We've heard from the jets and giants morning. I went and i found. Dave gettleman did speak last night And so one of the things he discussed was the fact. If you remember going back to the Pre-draft press conference. He was asked about never trading back and down on get fleeced right. That's exactly what he said. Well in this case he He did trade back as we know so we did it so we added a one and a four neck. I want one of five next year and four this year or vice versa. Next the nothing of the pick for this year to move next year so very pleased really annoying watching this even know what he did have no idea. John's got the they got the twentieth. Overall pick this year correct its fifth round. Pick this year. Yeah and then a first and a fourth round pick next year. Tony young joker right. And i can just see the headline out confused. Dave plays bongos. I'm glad you picked up on. It was annoying away. The eagles made the decision. Easy for him. Yes no doubt a four four five and six and a four this year. Twenty four whatever. We did yeah. So that's what they did. We know the jets of course With zack wilson also traded up with minnesota to take. Usc guard. elijah vera. Tucker here was joe doug he really likes what he He did feel like this ball clubs. Improved and i feel i feel good about. I feel good about the two. The two people players that we that we brought in to guard probably underrated. Because he's a guard in terms of wilson. He's the big ticket item as we know and he was asked on. Nfl network how we do in. New york's every new situation that comes up in my life. I'm gonna get everything i have. I'm gonna find a new brotherhood and be able to connect with those guys and get everything you have with them. Poor kid so we shall see how that works out for him. What's that work. Because he's got such great dreams. Yeah we'll see you never know. Maybe he will turn out to be the next joe name. So are you down on. Zach wilson because of the jets history. I don't know anything about him. I have i think chances are the jets. It's not gonna work. Chances are it has not worked out the years. Although that's not fair. Because chad pennington worked out. He didn't win the super bowl but he was a damn good quarterback and then they replaced him when brett farve who was doing just fine until he hurt himself and decided not to tell anybody. I just Kids dream man. And you gotta go. You gotta go forward. He seems like he has the personnel are all just here and they will not and the world's gonna keep spinning and we'll be forgotten whereas from tile shanahan. Not if he wins the super bowl more. You're absolutely right about that. We'll be remembered forever and ever and ever The niners did take trae. Land of north dakota state as we know kyle pits to the falcons bengals would jomar chase at five. Here was just in fields so He goes to chicago. Here was his reaction to that. You're gonna love this. I'm the the the kinda guy that thinks that everything happens for reading. You know god's plan for me to be a more than you know a more ready to get up their ship. God's plan plan. Yes we'll drake action song. Yeah god's up there looking down you know. I think it's about time. The bears got their quarterback been spit andrea years. A lot of praying on volley ends in a prayers. Now fine. I mean you guys went through hell. Pardon my you know. I didn't mean to say that but yeah with trubisky so well. The qb one. Andy dalton. Oh yes they lied to his face the him ten million dollars and he told me he's qb one while right now is he's gonna lose that job quick you would think And then you also have the whole aaron rodgers situation here was brian. Guten kunst their gm who was asked if there's any truth to the report that they will be trading rogers this offseason. It's absolutely false. There's no truth to that whatsoever. He said jason wallers through some of this. There's there's a lot of false false reporting going on right and a lot of false. Reporting john lynch did mention In his press conference that yes they did make a phone call. The niners did just at least inquire because of what they were hearing throughout the day. But it didn't go very far and so we'll see what rogers does aviv plans to not show up or if he does plan to go back up from the march sheriff tweet from last basically said that was basically done that. Aaron rodgers was going to the broncos. He's turned into a real bloviating balloon. Head that marked sheriff a bloviating. Bidoun head has yeah. Okay okay yes i never heard of bloviating. Below is the war that bluey. I've heard of that. Yeah so that's why you send it to me as i don't believe it. He's just like he's just that guy. Now just says a bunch of think that you know as a former teammate of what john elway that he would have some inside knowledge inside information coming his way maybe at some point aaron rodgers might get traded the broncos but as of last night when he said it was a done deal and he was going there. He's wrong so he was wrong about that. So continue to blow vhf. I was wrong about the mets scouting matt harvey and maybe related to find out homemade. Yeah definitely going on. Yeah well understood. I tonight rounds to end of the draft as it continues. The nets beat the pacers. One thirty one thirteen no harden as we know no kyrie irving last night. His groin was bothering him. So kevin durant took the reins had forty two. Got a lot of health alezais johnson. Twenty points twenty one rebounds off the bench for For allah's as they call him and so tonight back tame quota yeah right as i said that's what they call allies as. Yeah like we call you. G in boomers boom. Yeah yeah i'll bet ya nets players tonight. That's on the fan nets now game athlete on philly first place in the east. That's twenty three games over five hundred forty three and twenty. That means durant's groins going to hurt him the night. I think this could be like a load management type game. It's a back to back on the road. They travelled. they can't say load men and they've got the stay ready crew ready if they say load management they get fined by the nba. They might add certainly possible and they have day of actually a few finds this year so far two teams that have done this but kyrie irving his groin might magically be better so we shall see later tonight as for the baseball yankees opened up a series with the tigers tonight Also you got aaron boone with carton roberts on the fan at five o'clock the yankees in its entirety on sports radio sixty six. Wfan am the pre game coverage in part of that game. Right after carton. And roberts robert and philadelphia to take on the phillies tonight. You got marcus. Stroman and chase anderson and the islanders shut out the rangers four. Nothing semi on varlamov twenty five saves for the shutout. He's the first goal ever to shut out the rangers. Three times in a single season at madison. Yeah well they're playing each other eight times again. What manati times at the garden. Yeah only four times right. Well he shut him out three times at the garden. Yeah well you can't score if you don't shoot right the definition of a shutout no goals right and that's what the the rangers did last night. So there's just points golden pushed around and they see how far away they really are so close yet so far away and the devils beat the flyers five two three time now for what they call moment of the day brought to you by casa migos to kill a casa migos tequila brought to you by those who drink it so now that the giants elected a wide receiver. That is also a wrapper. We were going through some popular artists. Names that are out. There will leave art. Yeah littlejohn little baby. Little ou- there's a little teke alvis little gnaws could be and a lil yadi from the nickname for a you know little elvis. I think that's a reference to your to manhood. Is it i think so. You call yours little elvis. I don't think that's a common name says little refrigerator. Perry king pipeline guys have a wonderful weekend of the day. Very good jerry. Thank you the morning show with boomer esiason and gregg giannotti boomer and geo second round of the draft starts later on. We'll see if there's as many bells and whistles as there was last night they pulled out that cadel chair and stuck a fan and they're fans. It was always like an older vantage even confused. About why the hell they were there. You see the bills guy. Yeah but they showed him the card before he went up there to announce it. Yeah but it's the only big thing you know. And then of course he had to have his little patch on that said he was vaccinated on. Come on god in. The hugging was back in the swaying the nfl. Tries to be as normal as possible. Huggins sway right hogan sway. Thought mica power. Parsons was gonna throw him to the ground. So hard boy jumped on them. So when you hug like that you sway sway. No i really. I'm not really a big hug guy. I don't think that i've hugged in swayed ever. But that's the like and they just do it like that's the thing that goodell does with every player. It's like they know to do that. It's like the move. It's it's so strange given see anybody just hugging and swaying it for goodell. It's like it's like almost like adam. What does that. I'm silverio handshakes. There is no way that gary bettman's a hug and swire tells us over the theater rob manfred by the way. That would take the mike. Parsons one got uncomfortable. Yeah it did because he was a guy with let them go. They knew each other. It's like the hug and sway. That happens there with goodell is like fraternity brothers who hadn't seen each other in twenty years for one reason or another used to be bro hugs. But they're not even that now now. These are like full blown. I it's uncomfortable. I don't know what the word i'm looking for but it's totally uncomfortable. Very new york governor ish. You think there is a gro. Pugs logging sway. The whole weird is. I would have to agree with that. It is weird. I mean but that's i on one hand. I was happy that all this stuff was back last night but then on the other hand was annoyed all of it was back because we love the draft. Picks wanna get pigs. We don't need the kings of leon and that song during showman that's what it is all those sponsors that'd make sure people are aligned sleepy Because i'm asleep in do. Yeah because i'm asleep. He'd do everybody's screaming at the tv cobb on. Let's pick the two guys you already know. They're going to be there. It's just started with number three. They milked the hell out of us what they did it. Why if you trevor lawrence. Why should there. Trevor lawrence i know but you have done anything yet in the nfl. Show up there. Yeah but he's been the anointed one since high school. but don't you want to confirm trevor lawrence. I wanna just absorb every minute of that thing. I'm the number one overall pick in the draft. I want i want to be there. I wanna hog in swag adele. I want to be the toasted a town. I'm not given a moment to somebody else. I want my green room especially with that flow. Ga- found his family could have been there in the green room. to as cleveland. that is true it was cleveland. You think he would have been there had been vegas. I don't know he doesn't seem like a big. Maybe would have been there. Those wilson's not now. He's not a big party either. He was there he was definitely. I think he got to be the regardless. You gotta be there. And i feel like you have to be there. You should be there and you should show the respect to the league and your mar chase. You'll probably remember. But i think it was dramatic jason. His name was called he just walked out of. He didn't like hug anybody or anything that was there. He just walked right out there like jomar chase wide receiver. Lsu each walk away like older people were ready to hug him and he just walked right and he's ready to break all the bengal records is. He's only six foot. Yeah you know these guys. it's really it's about the athleticism. The ability is snatched the ball. He probably has big hands. I'm sure he's got pecans. There are member less season at your mark chased. Justin jefferson played together. Damore chase was the better player. Those two justin jefferson. Just you had the season that he had so also had joe burrow. That's right they did have him. Now he's going to joe burrow. All over again with tee higgins by the way. Watch out bengals. Football coming your way new jersey's regime well not number shame. Same regime new players. Rake up maters. Yeah well maybe bring a honors coming. It's telling everything's changed each morning show with boomer esiason in gregg giannotti boomer and geo. I'm jon meacham. Welcome to fate. A fact season one. 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04/06/2021 - HOUR 3 - Baylor, upsets

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04/06/2021 - HOUR 3 - Baylor, upsets

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What's your initial takeaway on. Sam darnold the carolina. Panthers ready set. Go what's your take might say. I think it's a great move for the carolina panthers if. You're not in love. With one of the quarterbacks that is available at number eight they go get yourself a guy that you know frankly probably needs a euro football rehab after playing for the jets but like go get yourself a guy who's young who's talented. He's still only twenty three years old. The thing that blows me away calling is that we think are. We've been sold this bill of goods that all you do is draft a quarterback. All your problems are solved right. That's all you have to do. And then we act. Surprised like the jess were surprised that we draft the guy. We don't support that guy with good enough roster around him and then we act surprised he fails. I mean you're going out of the frying pan into the fryer. So you really haven't increased the value or increase the level of your football team in general but now sam darnold couldn't fix it so now. Zac wilson will fix it for us. I mean it's such a flawed way of thinking that you're just going to a different quarterback at all. Those things will be fixed. You know. I think about quarterbacks in this general Just general terms of covering warts. There are literally we have been sold this bill of goods that. If you get a quarterback he just cover a bunch of worse. So i think there are three or four quarterbacks in the league that cover wars the rest of quarterback league. Expose your works at miami. Like there's aaron rodgers. There's patched mahomes there's russell wilson everybody else just exposes worse. Yeah and so. I don't like you were talking about the game last night. Watching the physical just physical whooping that. It was reminded me of my dad. You know what we call my dad. Poolside my poolside. Say when i get a little feisty as a kid he go. You need to step behind the bar with me like you want. Wanna go behind the bar because we can get it done back there right. it was. It was a physically dominant performance by baylor. And i think of the nfl that way. Everybody thinks that you can get a quarterback and you can fix things. Show me the team. That dominates the line of scrimmage both offensively and defensively and all show you a team that wins very much. What baylor did gonzaga last night. So you know i. I think that we have been sold. This bill of goods that any quarterback will fix your problems. Most quarterbacks just expose your problems. They don't fix them. There's only a handful that actually so mark you do. Nfc games for fox. I'm sure you've done a carolina game this year. If not i apologize. But what is darnold stepping into Offensive lines okay. They got good right. Tackle they have a center that used to be a bronco center. That's banged up a lot. But what are we talking. Offensive line weapons. You know carolina. You've seen them. What does he stabbed into here. Well i think he's stepping into you. Know like i look at them from just a pure count standpoint. I think they need to be better in utilized the tight end position better than they have. So that's a position they have to get better at a wide receiver position. I think they are loaded. i think Dj more is Is about as good as you get. I mean he puts twelve hundred dollars every year. Nobody knows who he is. And then you know the one good player you have with the new york jets. You've you've let him go to carolina in the first place so there's a real pieces in her. You're going to reunite sam darnold with robby anderson. You know christian. Mccaffrey is just a difference. Maker went healthy. So i think you're stepping into a much better situation. They have to be better upfront. They have to develop a real running game. And i think matt rule haven't talked to him multiple times this year covering i think i did to carolina games but he said something that resonated with me and very much like you said about belotti earlier in the show. That really resonated with me was if you have to scheme. You're running game every week. It means you don't have a running game and so what that means is if you don't have a set of tennis if you don't have a belief in something this is who we are. This is what our identity is and were in a critical situation when everybody knows a. We'll run the ball. You have to be like globo. Jim from the white a white goodman. We're better than you and we know it. You gotta say we're gonna lineup around. Nineteen hand off strong. And damn we're gonna cram it down your throats and there's nothing you can do about it when you get into the red zone when you get in the short yardage situations. That's something that they have to develop that they haven't had so a but i believe from just pure weapon stamp going. They've got some unbelievable players out there to really take some pressure off of sam dorm so atlanta has the number four pick. We presume the jags jets and niners take quarterbacks that's almost a certainty atlanta doesn't need one. They are now acknowledging through various reports. Were taking calls seems to me. If drew lock sir quarterback you're destined for fourth place elway's in patient denver's a great sports town. There's a lot of options i mean. I know it's a broncos town but at some point that looks like a fourth place team. Did they move up to number four and get the number four quarterback available. I would be shocked george. Peyton who's running the organization now from the standpoint of being the general managers. He's dipped his toes in the water. Right i mean. He went and dipped his toes into the matthew stafford poole and he found it was too deep right. He's like. I'm not going to get all the way and that water's cold and so my thought process this. He's coming into a situation where there are multiple needs that need to be met. And you look at what san francisco gave up to go up to number three overall. They gave up you know. They swapped three for twelve. Gave up to more first rounders in upcoming dress in a third rounder. And i believe that. I've seen george peyton now living here in denver kind of dip his toes in the in the quarterback market a little bit whether it was you know. Let's let's kick the tires on sam darnold. Let's kick the tires on teddy bridgewater. Let's jump in a little bit into the matthew stafford poole. I think what he is looking at it saying. Listen man i don't want to move up and have to give up all that capital. We're still two or three years away from building a roster that can be they can be competitive in our own division with kansas city with what the chargers are doing right now in herbert like. I just don't believe that that. I think he's more apt to trade out a nine and moved down at and collect more than he is to move up to number four to go get a quarterback. Here's the other thing if you don't know who san francisco's taking this is how you this is how you be. This is how you you put yourself in a position. Nfl organization to be in the top ten every year. You know we know who they are. We know it's the bengals we know it's you know it's been the jets we know it's been the lions right. You're in a top ten position every year because you make the same damn mistakes every year. You think one player's gonna fix you. You think you're one player way. He looks at the roster says man we have to build a roster and create a window where we can be competitive in our own division. And we're not gonna do that with just picking a quarterback and given up all that all that draft capital down the road. So i just don't believe he's gonna do that by the way. Aaron rodgers on jeopardy was he sending a signal to the organization or is he just a smart guy that likes to smart show He very smart guy. That that i'll tell you what he's he's very intriguing. Glare to me very smart guy and one of those guys who does cover warts and he can do whatever the heck he wants to do so good for him. That there's there's the dynasty that never was right the green bay packers you think about thirty years between far inbetween aaron rodgers and they've got two championships combined. That's what i mean. What a major fail at is but he's great. I enjoy watching. That show is not a big fan. I don't know if you know that guy new you like him a lot. Yeah yeah he doesn't. He doesn't like me very unfortunate. Most most people do i. 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Gm said they weren't sure they'd get the quarterback. They wanted in the eighth spots so they went all in on darnold and canal dress. Draft the best available player at number eight. They're not. They're not ruling out drafting a quarterback. They're not drafting. By the way to say that i know urban meyer haass's say that they're still evaluating trevor lawrence. It's like do you actually have to say that. We know you're not doing well. Isn't it the truth is sometimes you get lucky. Jacksonville need star quarterback fact okay there is one cincinnati could really use an offensive lineman. There's a great one. You know what. Carolina needs today of corner and a left tackle. Well guess what. Two great draft for left tackles and corners. And they'll get the first one they'll probably get consumer slater so in the end carolina's a little lucky jacksonville's a little now then you get into the atlanta where what we need. We don't really want to draft the four spot. So we've all we've always kind of felt atlanta gonna move out of that kind of the key to the job at this point with the moves that have been made there the last piece that feels like it could slide out. I don't think cincinnati is going to do anything and they've been pretty vocal that they want a high level player at that position so giants are lucky by the way. The giants need offensive line and at eleven. They'll probably get elijah vera. Tucker needed to move have moved have made the moves by carolina to get sam darnold so james harden return for the nets last night after missing two games with hamstring tightness. It was short lived left the game the same injury early in the first quarter but the rest of the team picked up the slack career at forty points. Jeff green twenty. Three and joe harris in one fourteen. One twelve win over. The knicks was their eighth straight when at home kyri forty two rebounds and seven assists and not playing to the three best players. I think this is. I think the nets are really an incredible story. Because i had no idea what this was gonna look like and obviously we didn't know it hard and was going to join the team before the season started Or that haiti was going to be injured for the stretch that he's been out but they've really put together a great chemistry and culture and a very short amount of time. And they're all they're all buying into it. I mean this looked like it was going to be one of those things. I mean obviously still need to win a championship. They have championship expectations. At this point with this roster and everything that they've done but they're just they're just making it happen however they need to and players are stepping up and kyrie well forty and in the east you can literally be missing. Kadian hardin win games. It's much harder in the west but in the east right now. And i just didn't think all this i mean my takeaway is this is k. d. hardened kyrie is one basketball but in the end so much of this game now is in the nba is just points. You can't stop anybody can't hand check you can't and you look at nobody even matches up in the east vault boston. Just doesn't have the shooters they don't have the star power philadelphia. I still think need another shooter. I think brooklyn roll. Like i'm means sweep sweep sweep through this thing. I think so too. So aaron rodgers i episode as guest host of jeopardy aired last night one of the best moments came during final jeopardy when one of the contestants brought up a painful memory from last year so see championship game come up. The correct response. Wanted to kick that field. That is a great question should be should be but unfortunately for this This game today. That's incorrect. He really has greats Boys like i was very impressed that he he gave it a beat. You know let the reaction happen yeah. I didn't jump to You know but not a reactionary guy like. He's a very methodical. I don't. I don't think there's ever been a great talk. Show a great game show host for the mustache though. You are with his mustache. Name it you ain't got slayers for his mustache. Would you guys say tre back back. But he was silver iconic moustache. Okay name another host with rayburn. I do not believe bill. Cullen what is your deal with. Let's say it. Changes steve harvey guys. Just throwing crap. Feves got wrong. That's an aggressive. I think when you have a moustache it changes the temperature in the room to whites to vary alpha very aggressive now steve. Harvey is a big man. Isn't he must present. He's a big presence. Steve's got big presence. But i wouldn't say how to he was. Maybe i'm over thinking the room on the my burying like types of mustaches. Though and aaron has a whole beard. It's not like just there's a different look breaks between the beard and mustache just a mess. Errands aware wolf. He's nothing but hair. I mean seriously look at his. Here's how thick is hairy. I if he. I think most guys had that hair. They would have their hair long. Yeah nothing but here. You have to get a haircut every other day. That's why you didn't like the mustache because it's it's too much upkeep. That's what it is. You are very low. Maintenance person don't like a lot going on and the mustache is an extra commitments to your day. Can't do you want to deal with it. I understand that. It's very steve jobs of you. You like the same thing. The same way was parking spot. Eat the same thing for breakfast like the same routine. Yeah exactly can't waste time. I don't like wasting time and energy on a career labs decline. We've got cash worrying about mustaches. I am so sadly self absorbed Good stuff joy with well. That's the news and thanks for stopping by lie. I forgot what we're doing investor last today. Something interesting. Oh i remember. We're doing dante lost last night. The the championship series or games. That really shocked us. That really caught us off guard. It wasn't a gun sang lost. It was over in six minutes. It wasn't even competitive. That's next be sure to catch live editions of the heard. Weekdays at noon eastern nine am pacific. Hey i'm john middlekauff and i host the three and our podcast. Do you like football. Do you like the nfl. Do you like the nfl. Draft quarterback coaches. Well i talk about it all on the show. I used to work for andy. Reid is a scout. I give you my unfiltered and raw opinions on everything that goes on the nfl. You know we're talking college football because of how important draft is year round. Listen to the three and our podcast with me. John middlekauff on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. Nine one one. What's your -mergency mass. Doesn't the end okay on cranleigh bagel coming in. We'll see does what the things loss alto entering. 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We could have done thirty of these but we thought we take you back to ones. That were more significant. So let start with last night. Gonzaga loses debater. First of all. It's not that they lost. it's how they lost. The game was over in minutes. Gonzaga's sixteen point loss is the largest loss by a number one seed ever the nco. Aa title game. It was nine nothing. Eleven of one. It was over in minutes. And with with baylor's defense you fall behind by eleven to twelve. The only way or catching up is hitting threes and gonzaga for all their talent. Offensively is not a great three point shooting team. That's not what they do. They score forty points a game with her two bigs so i thought it was a pretty surprising outcome over in like five minutes. How about the chiefs. Losing to the patriots in the superbowl. Never forget this. The chiefs were twenty five and one in which games mahomes it started. They didn't score a touchdown. They were favored and they had faced each other in week. Twelve mahomes had a perfect quarterback rating threw for four hundred sixty five yards and seventeen. Nothing fourth quarter lead moved at will and they could not score a touchdown and were flustered for four hours. Nick foles beats the patriots. Now think about that. Nick foles the career backup. They were five and a half point. Dog nick foles actually outplayed brady hundred and six point one passer rating. It was the most yards ever in a super bowl game. Nobody thought foles and brady would be the greatest pensive super bowl in league history. There were trick plays Mean eli manning's going to get hall of fame votes. He beat brady. Nick foles outduelled. Tom brady how about twenty sixteen warriors. Seventy three regular season wins. I this one. I think we forget seventy-three season wins. That's the all time best record that team. Golden state started the year. Do you remember the twenty four. No okay veteran. Teams generally. Don't start seasons undefeated. They gradually move into it. The warriors jumped out to a two old lead in the series and there are the first team to ever blow a three one series lead. I still contend Lebron's greatest players career that block against iggy andrei dulles funny in that series. The games were all blowouts but this the second half of that game may have been the best single half an nba finals. History remarkable first of all. How tense was it. Yeah i remember. I can go back to like watching it. Got it was just a steph. Curry was god. It was nuts. How about the two thousand seven patriots. Go undefeated and then lose to. The offense challenged new york giants first of all that year. New england didn't just beat people. Their point differential was plush. Three hundred fifteen points. They were the only team ever to go undefeated. And if you remember about this game in the very first series new england tried it was a reverse or a screen. And it got completely snuffed and you had stray hand and talk and mostly umenyiora and just new england's offensive line was overwhelmed That and and that was a shocker. How about this one about fifteen years ago. Sixteen years ago lakers lose to the pistons in the finals and it was in five games. It was a blowout detroit. rip hamilton. Didn't really have a star. The lakers had koby shack. Gary payton karl malone and they were held under ninety points in four of the games. They were overwhelming prohibitive. Favorite in the series lakers only win in that series was an overtime game. Imagine that shack kobe. Karl detroit was just gritty. Play defense are how about this tyson holyfield to now they had fought seven months earlier. Holyfield upset tyson. Tyson entered the fight at that point. Forty five into so. This was the mike. tyson redemption. ono holyfield won the first three rounds. Tyson was so frustrated he essentially quit. He bit holyfield's ear so holyfield in the rematch. And and i remember this thinking. Okay this is. This is the no. It was worse than the first total. utter domination. by vendor holyfield. How about the nineteen eighty-eight oakland as they want one hundred and four games in the regular season can saito had forty two jack. Maguire thirty two and dennis eckersley was the best reliever and the dodgers beat him in. Five games routed them. At that time orel hershiser was great. He won a couple of games in that world series. The would go on to win the following year. Many believe i was talking to bob costas recently. That was the most talented team. Top to bottom. You know you have to go back a long time. Let tony phillips hit ninety was all star it was like the loaded team and the dodgers didn't beat and that was kirk gibson gibson home run. They'd been five flush the right out the those. Those are some of the upsets. You know it is interesting. I steve lavin was on earlier. I don't really take anything away from johns aga- i mean the bottom line is kansas city. Could not score a touchdown. Do i think they're bad. The warriors had a three one series lead blewett. Do i think they're bad. I mean the bottom line. Is i remember go into that. I was at that super bowl. The new england patriots. I watched they had beaten the same giants team earn in week. Sixteen in new york. I was in a bar in new york. I remember this watch the game. It was fairly close. The defensive line was good but it was like new. England was kind of sleepwalking. They were fifteen and nine. It was the last sunday in the nfl and beat new york in new york and it it was. There was nothing you could take from it and then you go back to that super bowl. New york's one by moore completely dominated the patriots. So i i think if you look at gonzaga. Gonzaga is is about the tenth hole engulfed the eleventh hole. I think they're about this fifth or sixth inning. For the first time ever jalen suggs a guy that kentucky wanted in kansas wanted chose gonzaga and next year's class already has one of those kind of one and done players and potentially to and they return a lot of the good player so it Listen baylor was great. Baylor was a class at the old magician's trick. We spent so much time looking at the left hand. You don't see what the magicians doing with the right hand. We spent so much time talking about the historic nature of gonzaga. We didn't notice that baylor was drubbing. Everybody on the other side. They're close game was nine points and you knew. I mean you're watching that game. It was eleven to one. You're like if dunn's going to run here they're gonna be down fifteen now coming back on baylor's defense down fourteen or not. It just felt like they could get no momentum going you know and i was thinking about this too. Joy is if you go back and this is we. Oh i fall for this too. I fell for it again last night. This is certain things you just fall for in sports. Because i mean look at the nba. Ben wallace darnell. Valentine bobby jones. Ruben patterson great defensive players. We don't talk about him. They didn't make big money. It's an offensive league right. But when you get that lakers pistons series is classic example when you hit a great defensive against a great offense. The defense. Almost always wins. Because i can remember playing high school basketball. I always remember. This is that you take any great offense. Gonzaga great offense kansas city. Great offense patriots. great offense tyson. Great offense to make a even a great offense uncomfortable is to put your body on them and speed them up so they have to shoot faster and dribble gonzaga last. I couldn't handle the ball and it's almost like you were a great typer a typist and you could type ninety words a minute if i said do one twenty five. You'd make way more air force and so last night gonzaga. You just didn't. Every shot was contested. Every i mean you just couldn't beat baylor. You couldn't break them down off the ball in the end. Gonzaga was forced to take hurried shots and faster shots in contested shots and just like the kansas city chiefs. Mahomes have three seconds you at one point seven seconds. It's amazing how average patrick mahomes looks when he's hurried thirty six times on a football game. What did they say. Defense wins championships. Well it it certainly if you just. It's something to think about great offense great defense. The defense usually wins. Well i think labs said this earlier. It's very rare when you have a team that is perfectly balanced with a great defense and a great offense thirteen lee when you have a team. That is great offensively. Defensive side of the ball isn't necessarily their focused throughout the season. So if you're a balanced team they can go all out on defense and make three pointers like baylor was doing. It's gonna make somebody that can gonzaga uncomfortable and they're going to lose. That's that's why the greatest nba team i've ever seen. Is the chicago bulls. When jordan you think about jordan and pippen but they weren't a great three point shooting team. Coup coach incur. Paxon could hit threes. What made that team. Unique was ron harper. At one point was a twenty four point game guy. They just brought him over for defense. I mean that rodman rodman could play defense and jordan's a great on ball and then pippen was a defender they never had a great rim-protector that thought what it was. They were so long and so flexible and so they could just do so many ten strong physically strong sinewy thin aggressive long so yeah i mean. It's i'm watching that last night. And i'm like gonzaga is just uncomfortable. Despite all their town. Offensively supplement take every day as m drive check it out go to dry from dot com free shipping sixty day money back guarantee nothing to lose. 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