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Julie Kelly Describes How Trump Supporters Are Being Turned Into Convicted Felons
"Kelley welcome to america. First one on one. Thank you for having me. One an intro. So i know the invoice in the mail. So what did you talk about. Yes there was a topic of your panel. Just a little snippet so the subject that i've been covering for the last several months as you know we've talked about is january six out of laughed and the biden regime the media weaponising it against not just the people who were there that day but everyone on the right by extension almost seventy five million trump voters and so How that investigation is accelerating and how it is ensnared now over six hundred americans and they have been even more. Recent arrests have not every week. There are new arrests so with the justice department. Continues this what. I call terror crusade. We could we probably jihad against maga. It is it is. I mean this is what you see. So that the panel discussion yesterday was vaccine mandates and then january six. You could see the convergence relation vaccine mandates The the hunt for the quote unquote insurrectionists criminalising conservatives is it not criminalizing conservatives and criminalizing dissent so that is really what they're doing now the vaccine mandates mandates et cetera. Et one thing But what they're really doing with the january sixth investigation Prosecuting people for trespassing adding felony charges. Keeping now about sixty people behind bars denied bail under pretrial detention dot by. Let's stop here. Sixty people who is any one of them charged with insurrectional revolution. Yeah so what are they challenged with. Julie mostly trespassing civil disorder conspiracy a felony charge. That's very common is obstruction of official proceeding. Which more the two hundred people face. That charges never been applied to a political protests. Ever and never was. It's a two thousand two statute that was posted. Enron that would stop people from interfering in congressional inquiries. It was never intended for people who walked in the capital when they were certifying electoral college. But this is the way that they are turning trump supporters in to convicted
Two Federal Judges Concerned How Some Are Charged on Jan. 6 Events
"Even at two federal judges, truly both appointed by Obama, who raised concerns about the way certain people are being charged. They've raised the question like wait a minute. You're charging people for disrupting Congress. When in fact, we've had people disrupt Congress. You hit him with a misdemeanor. You let them go. You're charging these people with felonies if they don't plead to to an offense that you demand And they're starting and they're saying What is that? Based on? You've heard that too, right? I have. So you're referring to Judge Moss and Judge Maeda? Um Judge Moss called the obstruction of official proceeding felony, which this DOJ has slapped on at least 200 cases. To turn Trump supporters and two convicted felons. It's never been used in this way before the judges know it. The government knows it. The defense lawyers certainly know it. And so both of those lawyers have raised concern. Judge Moss said. It has a constitutional staginess problem. There is a motion in the oath Keepers case. Motion to dismiss and judge made A is considering that now and should make a ruling should issue some ruling on that next month. Um, but again, Philip bump. Do you even know what the obstruction of an official proceeding charge is its origination, which was a post and run law. That was supposed to stop and the interference and congressional investigations, not the certification of the Electoral College. So you know, these are the things that Mr Bump does not stay awake at
The Supreme Court Had Precedent to Rule on the 2020 Election
"Now, these men who gathered in Philadelphia, They understood what they were doing. They created the Constitution. They created the federal government. They created the presidency and the vice presidency. They created the Electoral College. They created separation of powers. And they created Article two, Section one Clause two. In such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct comma. In the state of Pennsylvania that come about the Pennsylvania What a growth a grave violation of the federal Constitution by the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania as much as you would a violation of the Constitution by the Florida Supreme Court in 2000. Actually, this was worse. The difference is the U. S. Supreme Court in 2000 stepped in and upheld the United States Constitution. And one of the arguments people were making, including me was exactly this section of the Constitution. Article two Section one Clause two as the Florida Supreme Court kept changing the deadlines and the manner in which we count chads. They kept extending the deadlines. They kept interposing themselves into how chance are to be counted. They were violating the federal constitution. And the U. S Constitution. Put an end to it. The U. S. Supreme Court under the US Constitution, put an end to it because the Legislature makes these decisions. Not the Florida Supreme Court. Well, what happened in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania was even worse. Because what happened there is also an elected in this case, Supreme Court of seven members, five of them were Democrats. They extended the time for voting. The eliminated the signature requirement. And they did other things. That the Legislature in Pennsylvania, which was Republican, did not do.
Liberals Exploit Capitol Officers Earning Medal but Ignore Officers Fighting Antifa, BLM Rioters
"The way, I believe these officers should get the congressional gold medal. But I believe all officers Should have been recognized as such. Including in Portland, including in Seattle, including in New York, including in Philadelphia and Atlanta and Minneapolis and so forth, and so on. So many acts of heroism. You can't count them all. But that's not Joe Biden. No. Now, so they'll exploit this. Why do I say exploit it? Because they they never talk about what took place and these other said ever They never denounced What took place in these other cities ever. There was a police precinct that was burned down. And others that were targeted. They were trying to burn them down with police officers in them. Not a word. Nothing. But what do you expect? These people despise the cops. They despise the Electoral college, which they pretend to defend. They seek to destroy the Republican Party in any opposition as a result of their For the People Act. They don't believe a damn thing, they say, except when they believe it.
Conservatives Have to Leave Their Hometowns for the Sake of Survival
"So bad as the situation garden that people are moving, they're leaving. Homes in which they were born. Towns in which they were raised states that they loved. Of survival. Had a survival because their businesses can't work there. Employment situation is terrible. And so what's happening is you're seeing a mass migration. Here's the problem with this mass migration just from a a distance perspective, not in your own life those you need to do obviously. But as more and more people leave for Florida, or leave for Tennessee, or leave for Texas. It becomes much more difficult to win the electoral college. Do you understand what I'm saying? Mr Producer? As you can pile up big numbers in Florida and Texas and Tennessee. But it's not going to be enough. You've got to win these other states. Because you have built in electoral college numbers in each state. At least three But in most states more So it becomes much more difficult. So the Democrats don't give a damn if you leave New York or leave California leave Illinois or Leave one of the the government run hellholes that they've created. I don't mean the states having the government's And harass you attacks you and all the rest. Because they figure we're depopulating our state of Republicans. That's a good thing they think. Let them all go to Florida and Texas and Tennessee. Their purifying their states politically, their purifying them. And they don't care. They don't care.
Preventing Burnout in the Daily Podcast Grind With Ashley Hamer, Managing Editor and Host of 'Curiosity Daily'
"Weekly shows. You'll often just there's a. There's a tried and true formula. You record you produce you. Release you record. You produce you release to do that with the daily show you know. Some people can do it. It may be a recipe for burnout. It's that's a lot to do every single day. So there are ways around that you can batch your tasks that is going to be the theme of this day is you can get all of you. Can you can do all of your writing. You can do all of your content planning and record multiple episodes in one. Go so one. One example of that is in the center here batch production. You have maybe two episodes of new content. You have one episode. That's just evergreen that you can run anytime you record all of those together. Do all the production at the same time and then you have three episodes and it's less time planning less time scheduling less time. You know getting out all the equipment. It's a little bit faster but of course not every show can do that. Some shows are more timely. Some shows are new shows so a solution to that might be kind of a blend you could do. The record produce release schedule for those really timely episodes that need to come out tomorrow but in addition to that so that you always have daily content. You could also have some evergreen stories that you you record all together and you have multiple episodes in one recording and production and session the for a science. Show what we'll do is a lot of our content is evergreen but will also cover things like you know the the venus missions that were just announced. You know we will. We can pop in and do a timely story in this process. It's it's very flexible but if you're not a science show like we. Are you know a news. Podcast could possibly run a primer on. How the electoral college works. During every election season or a comedy podcast could re run a segment where like a running joke head originally started so everybody can like here that that little bit of history. There's there's a lot you can do to have content for every day of the week and yet still have time to create the stuff. You really wanna create.
Trump's Lawyer Jenna Ellis Discusses Truth Behind 2020 Audits
"So what do than three million. This is across the nation plus the video streams and everything else in the podcast. What do people need to know about recent developments in the last month. What's happening where where what what is tending toward. And what could we expect. Yes so the audits in arizona and georgia are continuing on their tracks. Already as i said in fulton county georgia. There are enough. Suspect ballots there. to overturn. The result in georgia were close to that in arizona. Pennsylvania is looking at their own audit. Our friend doug muster on is heading up that effort and so this is becoming a greater bowl rolling to make sure that we get to these audits What's so frustrating courses. That democrats even joe biden or fighting this every step of the way But we're in the midst of this fight and we're still gonna fight for the truth to come out and then where we go from here is taking those results and having the state legislatures then make a finding that those certifications were not presented to congress according to state law where we go from there. What the remedy is will people always say. Well you know. We can't have a constitutional crisis all these rhinos. I'm sorry folks. We're already in a constitutional crisis. We know that the current sitting president of the united states was constitutionally installed according to the electoral college votes but they were based on false certifications where the remedy goes that's where constitutional layers might like myself others on our election. Integrity lands board others. That i'm talking to were still investigating that in analyzing okay post january twentieth post january six. Where can we go from here to get not just election integrity but election justice.
Police Testimony to Lead Panel's First Jan. 6 Capitol Breech Hearing
"A new panel to investigate the deadly January 6th breach of the U. S Capitol building will hold its first public hearing later this month. The first hearing for the House Select Committee on January. 6th will set the tone for the investigation, Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson told The Associated Press. Absence is a public hearing could happen in less than two weeks with testimony from first responders, including those beaten by rioters trying to prevent Congress from certifying the Electoral College House. Democrats approved the select committee last month, with only two Republicans supporting it. One of them Wyoming Congresswoman Liz Cheney, was named at the panel by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Republican leader Kevin McCarthy has not yet said who he intends to name to the committee Foxes Jared Halpern in
Why You Should Move To A Conservative State
"If you move to a conservative state. And lean our or swing state, and you make that state of reliably red state by moving there. You also increase the number of electoral college votes they get in an electoral college presidential election. Ladies and gentlemen, What we need to do is get 2 to 70. And if we could bump up the population of Texas and Florida From liberal states and get them up to 40 or even 50. Kind of like California electoral votes. You only need 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. Can you imagine a Florida and Texas combined for 90 or 100 votes, and those states were reliably red. The Democrats would be down to basically California, New York Roughly 50 plus 20 something versus our 100. The rate you're already starting the race up. 30, plus electoral votes before votes been cast.
Late Night TV, Politics, and Donald Trump
"Behind the desk the story of late night is sponsored by noon. Donald trump was winning. He was winning all the counties that at he was winning the electoral college. I remember thinking. Wow it's real now. That moment for me was when the daily show with. Trevor noah started a lot. That was new started at that moment. An avalanche of politically charged humor came tumbling down late night television because no public figure since the start of late night in the nineteen fifties at ever ignited that combination of comedy inspiration and pure rage that donald trump did when he descended an escalator and ascended to the presidency. I'm bill carter and this is behind the desk. The story of late night in this edition. We're going to talk about. How late night got in a lather over. Donald trump and politics always attuned to whatever issues were dominating. The news with the president like this late night. Comedy found a new political gear full throttle and trump humor pretty much dan the late night landscape this morning. Donald trump asserted executive privilege over the mall. Report executive privilege of course is actually trumps favorite privilege right after a white male and mar-a-lago handicap bathroom was. You might expect. Trump has been tweeting a lot today. And you can tell. He's getting word because one of his post said they're finding biden votes all over the place in pennsylvania wisconsin and michigan so bad for our country. Do they're not finding votes. They're counting them briefly over the weekend. People started to notice that his hair is suddenly now white. it's completely white. The carpet now matches the supremacy
Heavy Metal Guitarist, US Capitol Rioter Pleads Guilty
"Marks 100 days since the U. S capitol attack and for the first time a guilty plea from one of the defendant during the riot, The FBI said. John Schaefer sprayed US Capitol police officers would bear spray and was photographed inside the U. S can Capital. He's pleading guilty to unlawfully entering restricted grounds for the weapon and disrupting an official proceeding as Congress was meeting to certify the electoral college 100 days after the insurrection, Schaeffer becomes the first defendant to plead guilty. There are more than 400 defendants who have been arrested in 45 different states. BBC's Aaron Carter Ski
Republicans Work to Rebrand GOP as Party of Working Class
"Donald trump brought more working class voters into the republican party than any other president since ronald reagan now. Republicans are trying to figure out how to keep them. The working class vote will be crucial in next year's midterms. Here's npr congressional correspondent. Susan davis in the last decade. The biggest growth in the republican coalition has been white voters without a college degree along with some growth with similarly educated black and hispanic voters. that's why republicans. Like indiana congressman. Jim banks believe the only winning path forward for the gop is to fully reimagined itself as the party of the working class and if republicans want to be successful as a party when the majority in twenty twenty two win back the white house and twenty twenty four. I think we have to learn lessons that donald trump taught us now to appeal to these voters. Banks is the chairman of the republican study committee but conservative faction in the house. long rooted. in small government low taxes and social conservatism. He recently sent a six page memo to house. Minority leader kevin mccarthy making the case that republicans need to refocus their agenda. Almost entirely on working class appeals for banks. This means tougher immigration laws cracking down on china big tech and perhaps most provocatively for republicans corporate america for too long the republican party said into the narratives that republican party was party of business or the party of wall street. Republicans are increasingly comfortable attacking corporations these days. That's a lot easier for them. After wall street donors gave more to joe biden. Major companies halted political donations to republicans who objected to electoral college results on january six and is companies take more liberal positions on controversial issues like georgia's new voting law senate minority leader mitch. Mcconnell last week issued a rare verbal rebuke of companies that oppose the law. Warning if you will to corporate america's to stay out of politics. It's not what you're designed for.
MLB All-Star Game yanked from Atlanta over voting law
"This is all things considered. I'm Audie Cornish and I'm Elsa Chang in Los Angeles. Totally unnecessary. That is what a top lieutenant in the Minneapolis Police Department said today about the way that former police officer Derrick Show Vin Pressed his knee into the neck of George Floyd, he testified on the fifth day of Sheldon's murder trial. NPR's Adrian Florido has been covering the proceedings and joins us again from Minneapolis. Hey, Adrian. Hi, Elsa. All right. So today wrapped up the trial's first week, which, as you know, I've been talking about has been packed with so much emotional testimony, like from bystanders who watched Floyd died to first responders who couldn't revive him. But today the trial seemed to shift a little right. Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah. Today, the prosecution worked to build its case that Derrick show Vin used excessive force on George Floyd. And to do that they called Lieutenant Richard Zimmerman to the stand. He is the longest serving police officer in the Minneapolis PD. He's been on the force since 1985. He's the head of the homicide division. And importantly, after George Floyd's death, he was one of the department employees who publicly condemned what show Vin did. Prosecutor Matthew Frank spent time today asking him about the dangers of restraining a suspect by laying them face down. Have you ever in all the years you've been working for the Minneapolis Police department. On been trained. To kneel on the neck of someone who is handcuffed behind their back in a prone position. No, I haven't. Is that if that were done with that be considered force absolutely. What level of force might that be? That would be the top tier the deadly force. Why? Because of The fact that if you need is on a person's neck That can kill him. Not not mincing words. They're obviously right. Well, what exactly did Lieutenant Zimmerman's say about the way show Vin handle George Floyd. So here is the same prosecutor asking Zimmerman a question about what he saw in the body cam footage of George Boyd's arrest. What is your? You know, your View of that use of force during that time period. Totally unnecessary. What do you mean? Well, first of all. Pulling him down to the ground face down. And putting your knee on the neck. For that amount of time. Is just Uncalled for. I saw no reason why The officers felt they were in danger if that's what they felt. And he said, the danger is what show then I would've had to field to justify keeping his his knee on Floyd's neck for that, Monk. E mean it's not every day that you hear. A police officer, especially a senior police officer criticized Another officer, even a former one, right, right? Yeah. But on cross examination, eyes show, Vin's attorney, Eric Nelson, worked to poke holes in his testimony, his main focus being the latitude that police officers are allowed during under the police department's use of force policy when they're responding to incidents, So here's Nelson asking that the same witness a question. You would agree, however, that in the fight for your life generally speaking in a fight for your life, you is an officer are allowed to use whatever force is reasonable and necessary. Correct? Yes. And that could even involve improvisation, agreed. Yes. Minneapolis Police department policy allows a police officer to use whatever means there never are available to him to protect himself and others, right? Yes. The defense attorney there, obviously giving clues about the kind of arguments he's going to make when it's his turn to present his case that show been feared for his life that he was dealing with the dynamic situation. Struggling suspect an angry crowd. And real quick. When do we expect the defense to start calling their own witnesses? Well. The prosecution is expected to wrap up their case by the end of next week. And then it'll be the defense's turn. We expect starting the following week that is NPR's Adrian Florido in Minneapolis. Thank you, Adrian. Thank you, Elsa. Critics say that George is controversial New election law restricts voter access and disproportionately effects people of color and in protest Major League Baseball announced today It will relocate the summer's All Star game and draft out of Georgia and under pressure from voting rights advocates. Major companies like Delta and Coca Cola have issued critical statements. Now. Stetson University law professor Ciara Tourist Spellissy studies the influence of corporations and lawmaking earlier today, I spoke to her about what she found striking about this wave of corporate criticism. One of the things that's remarkable about the new statements from Delta and Coca Cola is that they have changed positions a few days ago. They put out pretty Tepid criticisms and or support for the Georgia legislation, and now that the legislation has become law, and they've been under pressure from voting rights advocates They have changed their tune on. That doesn't happen that often. Let's dig into that a little more, because obviously corporate America lobbies. Statehouses Congress for all kinds of things, right? Can you talk about how aggressive they can be in this area or how reluctant they have been in this area in the past? So corporations have two main ways that they influence policy. One is through corporate donations to particular candidates. They then spend even more money lobbying lawmakers to get the policies that they want. Now, most of the policies that a corporation wants are for its own benefit. No, this is a little bit different because voting rights advocates in Georgia put pressure on corporations not just because they were located in Georgia, but also because they had given money to Some of the politicians who created this regressive Election law in Georgia. Can you talk about a moment in recent history where we've seen corporate activism lead to significant legislative change? I think the biggest Example of this was the 2017 tax cut. And the tax cut was literally for corporations. So you had political donors putting enormous pressure on Members of Congress and the corporate tax rate was cut significantly. Another example is bathroom bills and so by bathroom bills. These are Laws at the state level that direct individuals to only use the bathroom of the gender of their birth. And one of these bathroom bills was passed in North Carolina. The end see double a pulled championship games from North North Carolina. And that got AH lot of attention and and North Carolina. Rolled back that bathroom, Phil. We've been hearing a lot, especially in the last year about corporate responsibility, so to speak. What you going to be looking for going forward to see whether this is Real or not, well, one of the things that we saw after the riots at the Capitol on January 6th. Woz corporations deciding to pull back corporate PAC money from the Republicans who objected to The electoral college votes for Joe Biden. But now there is pressure from the U. S Chamber of Commerce, which is one of the largest trade associations in America. It's also one of the largest Dark money, political spenders in America, and they're urging their members to get back in the political spending game. So one of the things that I will look at After Georgia and after the riots on January, 6th is Do any of these corporations actually changed their political spending behavior. Ciara Torres Spellissy is a professor of law at Stetson University in Gulf Port Florida. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. There is a new attempt to bring the U. S and Iran back to the 2015 nuclear deal with one The Trump administration left in direct talks are set to begin in Vienna next Tuesday.
Oath Keeper Coordinated With Proud Boys Before Washington DC Capital Riot
"News. 2300 National Guard troops have arrived in Washington, D. C. This comes after the mission to protect the capital following the riot was extended another two months as federal prosecutors piece together what happened on January 6th. They now believe that two groups conspired together. Prosecutors argued Kelly Meg's should not be released ahead of trial, writing in court documents that the member of the oath Keeper militia group conspired with the proud boys ahead of the capital riot. They submitted Facebook messages, they say, Meg's wrote, announcing he'd organized an alliance with the oath keepers, Florida three percenters and proud boys to quote work together to shut this expletive down. And another message. He called the proud boys a force multiplier and wrote that he believed President Trump wanted them to make it wild at the Capitol. Prosecutors allege that Meg's wanted to stop the certification of the electoral college vote and was prepared to use violence if
What the Second Amendment really meant to the Founders
"You know, in my intro and then earlier segment early in the show I was talking about The primary purpose of the Second Amendment, according to the founding fathers, and I said My piece told listeners what I thought that the primary purpose of the Second Amendment, according to people like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, What is in Mark Walters Mind the primary purpose. Of the Second Amendment. According to the phone and fathers. I love this because it's so provocative and I love to be provocative, and I'm gonna answer that with a question. Here's my question to you. We just talked about what Biden wants to do. Virginia the first time the Democrats took power in Virginia, for example, in 25 years. What's the first thing they did They chucked 12 Gun control bills down there. People throw up. Eight of them passing was signed into law. Joe Biden's first deal is gun control. I'm gonna answer the purpose of our founding fathers in the second Amendment with this question to you. What is it about their communist Marxist socialist masquerading his former Democrat agenda that requires you to be disarmed? Yeah. Very good point. And it would appear that great minds think alike because well, you know, we are way have Yeah, Me and George were in the world. Good company together. Way. Agree with each other. Martha. I guess the question is You know what is going to happen now? I mean, I look at it. It's like Texas that are actively talking about succession. Oh, yeah. You know, California's got bills by others, three different deals. They want to split that stable. You know, he was a really simple, quick Virginia. You know, I spent many a graduated college in Virginia. Lots of friends there lived in three different cities in Virginia know it well. It's a gun toting gun, love and freedom, love and bright red State. You've got two counties up there that control everything included with Richmond. The rest of the state is bright red. Why don't we have any electoral college at the state level? Okay? Yeah, Which would be which would kind of solve these problems. Where you New York State's a prime example. You get rid of that cess pool in Manhattan in the boroughs and New York State is a freedom loving, bright red state. Upstate New York's bright red Yep. Okay? Absolutely, you know, and you get rid of I mean term limits. Term limits scared me a little bit on Lee, because, well, what happens with term limits is you get the next term. Someone knows that's there. They could do anything they want. They're no longer held accountable to the voters that they don't have to hope if voters are hold them accountable. You know that old So what We do have term limits. We have elections. That's true, But they turn out the way they do in states like New York and California. Because we've got to a point. We have two or three cities controlling the rest of the state that needs to be looked at. Yeah, Georgia just gave you two of the worst senators in this country's history. And this is a bright red state. That isn't gonna be blue anytime soon. You look at the legislative makeup in the state and their redistricting coming up in July after this legislative session, you want to see Democrat controlled the state level the state Don't think of the rest of my life. And yet we just handed you too. The bluest worst of the worst senators, not because any red counties flipped blue. Nothing did They were able to siphon off more votes in two counties not being the cabin Fulton County And their six swing states. Basically, that have to fix their election systems of the way they do things in Michigan and Georgia. There's two of them right there, but nobody knew George was one of these states until that, you know, action. You see, that's why that's why people George, I would have never Guest. I wish Now, I will say this that we've been watching Stacey Abrams here for the last two years. Prior to the election in November. We all knew what she was up to. And here's the thing. I watched her vote on local news that night. Now here she is a resident of Atlanta. Hmm. And here she is. Dropping off an absentee ballot in a little mailbox been in downtown Atlanta. What? Why are you standing in line like the rest of us? Okay. That's where fraud comes from. Yeah, no signature verifications. Everybody gets mailed about it and they could go drop it in. No, no, no. No. Where I come from absentee ballots are for people like you who are serving their country overseas that need an absentee ballot Kids in college that can't make it back to their district to vote. My mom and dad who might be in Florida, and they're Georgia residents because they're they're from that's an absentee ballot. So those those issues are being addressed. Those issues are being addressed. They cut all ties to our gun rights, By the way, Yeah, and we'll have to address them on a different show because we are of time here, Mark.
Trump pressured Georgia election investigator to find dishonesty in December phone call
"Officials have discovered a phone recording between former President Donald Trump in a state investigator in the trash folder on her device for a phone call between Trump and investigator Francis Watson took place December 23rd just weeks after the Electoral College certified the 2020 election results.
Senate confirms Gina Raimondo as Biden's commerce secretary
"Hansi Lo Wang. Reports the Rhode Island governor is now set to oversee the Census Bureau. Gina Raimondo is cutting short her second term as a governor of the country, smallest state to join the Bite administration, a Democrat and the first woman to lead word island reminder was set to take on an eclectic portfolio of Commerce Department agencies, including the Census Bureau. What a reminder is. Most urgent agenda items is overseeing the preparation of the 1st 2020 census results the new state population counselor used to determine representation in Congress and the Electoral College for the next 10 years. Those numbers are expected by the end of April. Godzilla Wang NPR NEWS NEW YORK President Biden's picked to serve his White House budget director
Dem’s lawsuit accuses Trump of inciting deadly Capitol riot in Washington, DC
"A Democratic congressman from Mississippi has filed a civil lawsuit accusing former President Trump and his attorney, Rudy Giuliani off conspiracy to incite the January 6th. The riot at the U. S. Capitol. As NPR's Ryan Lucas reports too far right groups, the proud boys and the oath keepers are also named as defendants in the suit. Congressman Bennie Thompson is suing Trump in the others for allegedly conspiring to incite the capital Riot. Disrupt the official counting of electoral college votes. The lawsuit alleges that was a violation of the Ku Klux Klan Act, which protects against conspiracies that seek to prevent members of Congress from fulfilling their constitutional duties. Suit says that trumpet Giuliani inside of the crowd at the January 6th rally near the White House, while the proud boys and the oath keepers spearheaded the attack on the capital. Thompson had to shelter in the House gallery during the attack before being ushered to safety by security. The lawsuit is the first against Trump over the Capitol riot since the Senate acquitted him on Saturday on the impeachment charge of inciting in
"electoral college" Discussed on The How in the World Podcast
"This week's episode answers the question. How in the world does the electoral college pick our president. You're listening to the how in the world podcast we're we unravel some of the planet's most perplexing questions in just about ten minutes nope we're not scientists or scholars. We're just normal people who like to figure things out. Sometimes inspiring sometimes informative. Our topics are always fascinating hosted by me mark johnson and my lovely wife me holly johnson. We do the research so you don't have to well. Today is thursday november fifth twenty twenty. And it's been a quiet couple of days around here in the. Us assure was there was something on tv to incessantly. Watch and keep checking my phone about <hes>. What could that possibly be wrong. Oh how about the twenty twenty elections. It's been a wild couple of days folks in it. Looks like it could be wild for a bit longer. So let's all practice are deep breathing and relaxation methods together. Bring your popcorn as the time that we're recording this. I believe the elections come down to maybe four states that haven't yet counted all of their votes but once they're done it's still not over no not even close because once all the votes are counted will know what the results of the popular vote are. But we won't officially know yet. Who won this election. And that's because not only will there be a ton of lawsuits than we unto way through but also because we don't elect our president based on the popular. Vote like you would in the classroom election elementary school. We use the electoral college. And i've always been a little foggy about the electoral college. So i'm glad recovering this today because it forced me to dig deeper really kind of learn about it or you could have just asked your wife who by the way is a political scientist by education. You know yeah. I've been told that. Before so i get a little invested in presidential elections and the preceding debates and political discussion. So what it's fascinating and also frustrating and maddening and kinda stupid also but so fascinating the strategy. He's not even close anyway. Let's talk about the electoral college. Yup that's why we're here. So let's do it and by the way we're going to refrain from any partisan right discussion. This is just about the electoral college. You won't know who we voted for. So for starters you know how annoying all of those census ads and like postcard mailers and mail and information and more ads and everything was reminding us. How important is that we fill out our census form so that everyone is counted yet. And i remember seeing a ton about the census recently. But i believe you filled out the form. Since you're our families designated form filler outer am. I joined it because again i am a political scientist so data and surveys and stuff like that matters anyway. The census is used to determine a lot of things most notably funding to your state for certain services. So if you have a disproportionate number of school aged kids for example it tells the. Us government that you'll need a disproportionate amount of funding for schools. I mean that's really dumbing. It down but funding is a biggie. And doesn't also tell you how many representatives you'll get in the. Us house it does so every state gets two senators so there are a total of one hundred senators in the us senate but representatives are totally different because their allocated based on the census count. Yes they are. There's always four hundred and thirty five of them. No more no less. But how they're allocated can change. So if everyone emptied out of california which currently has fifty three districts and therefore fifty-three representatives and moved to wyoming which currently has just one representative. Those numbers would turn on their head. And by the way. Alaska delaware montana and north and south dakota and also vermont have just one representative yes and there are also some non voting delegates in the hell. They can do everything. The voting members can do except vote. Hence the name right. They can introduce bills and participate in committees <hes>. Currently there is a delegate representing washington. Dc as well as one each for puerto rico. American samoa guam the northern mariana islands. And the us virgin islands. They're also talking about adding a delegate from the cherokee nation and from the choctaw nation which is super cool. Yeah it really is. And the senate and house together are called congress and there are a total of five hundred thirty five members of congress. So that's that hundred senators and the four hundred and thirty five representatives. Each state has the same number of electoral college votes. That they have congressmen or women which means each state has a minimum of three electoral college members. Two senators one representative three so for the the smaller less populated states. They're still going to have three electoral college members.
"electoral college" Discussed on Everything Everywhere Daily
"Odd thing is when Arizona and New Mexico were admitted the house increased by two age But the Senate increased by 4 and when Alaska and why were admitted in the fifties the Senate again increased by 4 and the Houston increase at all since 1911. The population of the United States has tripled but the size of the House of Representatives hasn't budged if you can increase the size of house. It dilutes the strength of senate in Electoral College voting currently. The United States has far in a way more people represented by a single legislator than any country in the world. This is directly result of not increasing the size of the house with population growth. There are two major ideas for increasing the size of the house. The first is called the Wyoming rule this would set the number of people that any member of the House represents to be equal to the size of the smallest state today. That would be Wyoming under the Wyoming rule after the 2010 census. The house would have 547 members while this rule sounds fair and appealing there's one big problem with it over the last hundred years wages. The population has tripled the size of house would have actually shrunk this is because the ratio of the population of the largest state to the smallest state has actually gone down in Nineteen Hundred. The largest state New York was 111 times bigger than the smallest state Nevada today, California is only sixty six times bigger than Wyoming and that ratio keeps going down shrinking the size of house with respect to population growth doesn't really make a lot of sense. The other proposal is the cube root rule. This is based on the fact that many legislators around the world. Tend to have sizes that approximate the cube root of the population as the population increases the size of legislature increases, but at a slower rate under the cube root rule there would be 693 members of Congress or 593 members of the house. Most of the new Representatives would go to larger States and correspondingly. They would get more electoral votes the small stage still only have one representative the nice part about this plan is that would be super simple to implement would not require a constitutional amendment and you wouldn't have to redraw the maps and it would result in more class representation across the board for everyone all the time. So I'd say if you'd want to change the Electoral College the easiest way is to just change the size of the House Representatives. Before I close the show I should talk about the issue of faithless electors because you actually vote for electors and not the president. There isn't anything really stopping an elector from deviating from the candidate. They took a vote for this happens quite frequently, but it has yet to affect the outcome of an election faithless electors do allow for some flexibility. For example, in 1872. One of the two mil Raha died four days after the general election took.
"electoral college" Discussed on Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates
"Everybody I'm John Dan host and moderator of intelligence squared. Us debates for this episode. I got online with four debaters. Who argued over this resolution? The Electoral College has outlived. Its usefulness. This was a debate that we had originally planned to host with our partners at northwestern law school in Chicago. We were GONNA do it at the law school. Obviously that did not happen. What did happen was that we had instead of a great debate. Digitally has turned out to be incredibly timely topic. So let's get to it the Electoral College. It's this unique construct of indirect democracy that well. It's it's not a college as the term is commonly used but it sure is electoral in that its members who are currently maxed out at five hundred thirty eight have been the actual electors of every president we've ever had since we've had a constitution even those five times in our history when the popular vote went to someone else in recent memory that happened in the two thousand election happened in the two thousand sixteen election. So what were the founders thinking? That's a question that right now. The Supreme Court is considering in an electoral college case but why did the founders think? The Electoral College was needed. And what good has come of it and also what harm has come of it. Well in these questions we've been thinking. They're the makings of a debate. So we had it for really really good debaters said yes or no to this statement. The Electoral College has outlived. Its usefulness as always Our debate goes three rounds and our audience tuning it online voted to decide our winner. But you can still weigh in on this when yourself if you're just listening for the first time to this debate we are taking votes right now at Iq to us dot org that's q the number two US dot org. If you go there you can cast your first vote before you hear the arguments you can vote for or against or undecided on the resolution. You know what? I'll give you a test to do that right now. I'll wait for you. Remember you cast votes one now in one after you've heard the argument and it's the team that changes the most mind. Who will be our winner? So go do that. I'll wait for you. So let's meet our debaters. I up to speak for the resolution. The Electoral College has outlived. Its usefulness. Jim Bowie Jim. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me Djamil. You are in New York Times columnist and political analyst for CBS News. You are also an alumnus of our series. So it's great to have you back also arguing on your team for the resolution. I want to say hello to kate. Shaw Kate. Welcome to intelligence squared. He John Thanks so much for having me. And you're a professor at the Cardozo School of law and Co Director of the floor Shurmur Center for Constitutional Democracy. You're also a host of the very popular law. Podcast strict scrutiny. So that's the team arguing for the resolution. The Electoral College has outlived. Its usefulness. Now let's meet the team arguing against that very low resolution. I let's say hello to Tara Tara. Welcome to intelligence squared. It's great to have you with us on one folks to know that you are the author of a lot of books about the electoral college including why we need the Electoral College. You're also a former lawyer and editor of the Texas Review of law and politics and your partner. I WANNA welcome also to intelligence squared Bradley Smith. Bradley Hi Welcome to intelligence squared tie. Thanks John Pleasure to be here and you are a professor at Capital University Law School and you have served as Commissioner Vice Chairman and Chairman of the Federal Election Commission welcome. I want everybody to know that was always our debate will go in three rounds and then you those folks out in the world are online audience. Get to vote to decide who the winner is all right. I think we are ready to move. Onto round one opening statements from each debater and turn those statements will be formed. It's each our resolution is the electoral college has outlived its usefulness. And here I up to speak for that Resolution Jamal Buoy columnist for the New York Times. Djamil your time starts right now. I'm going to begin with a discussion of how we got to the Electoral College in the first place and the think he thing I want everyone to understand. Is that the electoral college that we have the one we will use. November's election is that not actually the one that was ratified in seventeen. Eighty eight gone. Electoral College fell out of use quickly. What we have is essentially an extra constitutional mechanism to deal with the exegesis of politics as they've developed from the beginning of the constitutional convention and specifically when they began thinking about the national executive the delegates for trying to balance four simply four competing things from came to Hal. Choose and national executive They wanted a voice for the People. They wanted a fair representation for slave states They wanted independence from the legislature in. May had to deal the very simple question of. How do you actually choose national executive? In a big large diverse country they cycled through a few things Several delegates including teams Madison Propose Popular Election Others propose choosing from Congress But by the time They came to a conclusion which was at the very last minute the convention. They decided they would do this. Elector based system that each state would choose. Electors would gather together as a kind of congress of it's filtered through candidates They would the majority whoever won the majority of electors would become president Sprout Vice President and if there was no winner at to the house would choose on the basis of the delegations. No one was really entirely satisfied with this when they came to the conclusion but everyone expected more or less at the president of the Convention George Washington would become the first chief executive and this was a a straightforward way to get George Washington took become President United States. No one was really too worried about it. There is debate over During the revocation debates. But it wasn't a big sticking point. No one was too worried about mob rule in these discussions. They weren't worried about excessive democracy. Usually when the founders talked about democracy they were talking but a Fenian style. 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"electoral college" Discussed on Over The Edge
"Every voice every lifestyle style in our country which is very diverse The life of a of a rancher in Montana is far different than the lies of an investment Baker in Chicago so so it is essential to protect the overall health democracy NC Central to protect Different points of views neck. I would definitely agree with you on a lot. Part of what you just said and I was very surprised that the James Madison quote as well as something that came up in my research. Now I'm GONNA give you a couple of the cons to the electoral college and you can tell me what you think of those. All right sounds good all right so the one and this is I think the biggest one for a lot of people is. Let's take the Democrat in Alabama Okay Alabama obviously a majority of mainly red state throughout history. The the main argument against the electoral college is that there's no point in that person voting because pretty much no matter what that state will be read it and therefore that person's voice is not heard and their vote in quotation marks does not count well in that situation. There's always going to be minority rights based on the overall perspective of the citizens of Alabama. Right the reality that most of them face yes so say there is a Democrat Democrat. And I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats in the state of Alabama. It's not that their voice voice isn't heard playing heard plenty open to campaign for Democrats entrain push the state blew. You can take California. California was once a red states shifted. Blue there's always political shifts but it's all about perspective writes yeah so Republican ideals and legislation oftentimes in the view of someone from Alabama's positives Yes so you're always gonNA shit right so they're open an open campaign their opener try naked Shasta but unfortunately there's always going to be a minority. Yeah okay that's that's a that's definitely affair response Another another question. I'm going to ask you and this is about something that I believe. Two or three states have implemented. I Know Nevada is one of them is where they are allowed to split up the votes in the electoral college based on kind of the population of voters. That voted one way or another. How do you feel about that Nick Right? I think it's up to each state. I don't think it's a bad idea. The votes Proportional to the overall will a number of each party got. I think it's honestly my opinion. A probably a good idea because I think that does promote even more democracy. Yes Without without you can without leaving it completely up to the popular vote right. I think that is a great solution. It's a hybrid solution to getting rid of IT and keeping it. Yeah the essential foundation the fathers in there for for no reason. They want the population to vote for the presidency in a whole because As we scribe earlier there's James Madison's co-authors a tyranny of the majority you don't want majority To to crush the minority right and that seems to be in an ideal with the Democrats somewhat confusing to me that would be against the Electoral College. My feeling is search butthurt because Hillary definitely only became a very controversial topic after the election and honestly this. This is one of the most interesting topics to me Not at first glance. I thought this was actually going to you. Want a kind of a more boring episode. But after I did some research I was of the opinion that the electoral college was not the best. But after I had looked into James Madison's Madison's original purpose for it does I do believe it still applies today. Contrary to what a lot of people say right and if you take look what the what the outcome would have been say. Hillary ones I mean you look at the electoral map. The majority of the country geographically. Yes right he they wrote it. They voted for Republicans because that is the viewpoint of the majority of America. Yes as we discussed earlier New York California Texas also be the only three states that would matter because they account for the rest of the population once-over yeah So if you're talking about someone vote in state not mattering get rid of the Electoral College College. Because then the vote from Wisconsin legitimately wouldn't matter I think as as as much as even it not mattering as the whole point. I think I think the most important part of democracy is having an informed voter And I think of politicians are advertising. Aren't campaigning aren't you. Know setting up things in these smaller swing states where you know where the factory worker where the farmer are. And they can't get a information easily about that. I think democracy is a whole kind of sinks. Thinks I agree with that. Yep most definitely okay. Well Nick do you have any other closing statements. You like to make our questions for me or the or the podcast hot cast or the viewers you know. Feel free to feel free to shot whatever you want now. Well my personal opinion is I think that our generation I I would think that this podcast is targeted towards The the JEN's ears and maybe similar death but I think overall we're shifting more right. I think the Democratic Party exist today especially when it comes to electoral college and all these other controversial issues. They've lost most of the intelligent argument behind what they have to say. So I think it's it's is important. I think this is a great way is a great way of promoting intellectual arguments rather than just pointing and yelling at each other and that. That's honestly the the the whole reason I set this up. I feel I'm on college. I'm at the University of Utah Right now in Salt Lake City and that was the biggest thing for me. I feel like these topics especially when you get into Even spicier one electoral college is pretty. PG But you talk about abortion you talked about gender gun laws and it is extremely difficult. A difficult sorry to find people that you can have a civil conversation with and I think that's why this is so important as for these smart college kids to be able to express how they feel with people in their generation right and I think both sides are to blame somewhat the but but overall it's you don't agree with me than you're wrong during the enemy which is against democracy in itself and it's become so polarized at that means Antifa these the white. Supremacist finding antiques on. There is white. Supremacist shirt but the left would lead you to believe that. All Republicans are white supremacists but my opinion but I would love to come back on and talk about one of the more passionate issues I have is is the long crisis huge especially student loan crisis I says yes but overall this is a great way of in of encouraging conversation. Yeah the I. I really appreciate that Nick and I will gladly have you on for another episode. It would you like to shout the automotive instagram that you got going on your instagram mid West Dot Motor Sports Midwest at motorsports sports on instagram heels. Pretty over there and giving you follow. Thank you very much nick. Have a good rest of your youth. You bye-bye yeah I think so. Oh yeah okay. Great Welcome back. We have our next guest with us on the over. The Edge podcast. I am joined by my cousin Evan. Evan and I understand that you don't have the strongest opinion on this topic so I guess fill me in on what your understanding of the electoral college is right now Yeah so I I kinda just Understand like the very busy concept of what it is and I don't really have like. That's it's kind of the extent of my knowledge. Like yeah okay. Just no system works states all have electoral votes. And whoever has the most electoral your votes wins the presidency. So right the two the two sides of this and we're not GONNA first sake of just kind of making it easier. We're not there's a hybrid of it that we talked about in the last interview about states where they can split the electoral vote. But for the sake of this we're GONNA keep it as either keeping or getting getting rid of it and so what I'll tell you and you can form your opinion kind of as I give you these facts if we keep the electoral college. What's good about it is it represents all the different lifestyles and states in America? Obviously the average lifestyle in Alabama is going to be very different from the average lifestyle L. in California. Okay right and if we get rid of the electoral college the problem with that is when you go to straight popular vote. Is that politicians. Asians then will only campaign in California Texas New York. That's were almost. Everybody lives a wide Jordy. So swing states like Wisconsin Iowa Ohio places like that factory workers things that Democrats and Republicans try really hard to win over no longer become relevant. Because they're not in the majority so and then but the con of the Electoral College and this is what a lot of people say when they say that they don't think their vote counts is when you're in a state so let's say California which is very blue at the moment if you're a Republican and you go out to the voting booth. You might think that your vote really doesn't matter because you know no matter what California's always going to be blue. And so your vote doesn't really matter in that sense if you have if theo state that's predominantly that that faction earn faction but you know that party so based off that and obviously there's a little more to it but based off that what's your initial Opinion of the Electoral College Right so I think just Like from the initial reaction to anything reason to get rid of it. I'd rather stay around for the like the main reason being you had mentioned that like would if it were to be Taken away it would kind of like make all states. That aren't like doc three or five most popular most populated states relevant And I think doing that would loyd affect more people's like mindset of not feeling like their vote matters more than if you were to keep it and the people that are within like states that are predominantly predominantly blue and. They're trying to vote. Red would like like those people are affected by how it is now. I mean that that's something that can kinda changed a lot easier than just like if you're going to get rid of the system altogether yeah So I don't know I think keeping his the way to go if you had to pick between the two but I mean whether or not you'd alter something about it is a exa different question. Yeah I'll just I'll fill you in on this one little thing. That's why I believe it's between two states Nevada's one of them is now what they do is they. They have the electoral college obviously. But they will they. They're they're allowed to split the vote based off the percentage of voters. That voted one way or another. So let's say here. Let me get to it. Nevada has six votes slit. Say It's fifty fifty. They're allowed to put three of their votes towards the Democrats and three of their votes towards the Republicans or one towards the independent dependent or whatever their state votes for and if they have fifty five percent they're allow you know they can do four into or you know whatever possibility comes up. Do you think that solution still keeps. The I. Guess the Ba- the basis of why we have the electoral college to include everyone there while I guess including more of the majority..
"electoral college" Discussed on Pat Gray Unleashed
"Pat, gray. So Colorado has become the latest date and the first swing state to join a group pledging to elect presidents based on who wins the national popular vote trying desperately to navigate the electoral college. Yeah. And also trying to put their own citizens on the outs eleven other states and the district of Columbia have signed on to the national popular vote. Interstate compact. The end PV. I see which is so catchy. Just rolls right off the tongue the nip Vic died, the the the the the nip Vic it agreement that requires those states to select their presidential electors based on who wins the most individual votes nationwide, regardless of which candidate wins, the state is negatives. Yes, you're states vote house stupid. Governor Jared polis signed the Bill Friday bringing the state into the compact. It goes into effect only wants states with at least two hundred seventy electoral votes. The number needed to win the presidential election have signed on and Colorado brings the count now to a hundred eighty one they're less than a hundred away. I know I this at all. Two to seventy before. Now, they say to two hundred seventy before the twenty twenty election appears unlikely, but they had zero just a little while ago. Fatten Hon, this was fast my goodness because a couple years ago, and they some people talking about getting rid of college. It was just kind of in passing. But the Democrats are they're angry because in two thousand gore 2016. Yeah. And my goodness. Now, you've got that's a mainstream idea. You've got presidential candidates talking about this. Elizabeth Warren's ready to get rid of it. My gosh, they definitely have momentum. You're right that momentum with same sex marriage. And they got that done. They had momentum on marijuana. They've pretty much got that done that fights basically over. Now, something that you just I mean really believed impossible just to short time ago is really possible if not likely. People stand up for the constitution here. This is really dangerous stuff. Supporters say that concept would create a fairer basis for presidential elections by essentially going around the electoral college and creating system where each individual vote counts the same. It would also motivate potential voters in non swing states to come out to polls, they say, I don't see how when you know, your entire state's election may be voided by who wins the national vote. And so Democrats can now they don't have to focus on individual states for their voter fraud. They can just go anywhere. They just need to get that number higher anywhere. It again, if if the electoral college doesn't matter say goodbye to any campaigning in small states..
"electoral college" Discussed on FiveThirtyEight Politics
"And maybe if you also said that, hey, look, if no one wins a majority, then it's the plurality winner that matters. And you don't go to congress. There are a lot of things that they the to college represents we should say which parts of those systems. Do we not like okay mic you posited? The everyone thinks both. So what your argument for why? That is the electoral college is horrible. Because I think distorts won the incentives of campaigning in weird way and away from certain interests and towards other interests that has a skewing affect and to because you end up with weird scenarios where the person who wins the presence did. Didn't win the most votes, and that just seems weird to me and wrong. That's not a partisan statement. By the way, the the times it's happened recently has benefited Republicans. But like it could have happened the other way in two thousand four and the elect the advantage in the electoral college swings back and forth. But I'm not saying you have to get rid of the electoral college. I think if you made some of the tweets like like may mentioned, you could make it better and still have still have some of the benefit whatever those might be that that brings. But like American sense of democracy has gotten more democratic since the founders. Yeah, we have we used to we implemented direct election of senators that used to not be the case. And I think we should update our systems to to reflect that but I want to hear what neat s- Nate layout. You just said something right before Mike started talking about how the electoral college contains certain by season, we should lay out which ones we like. And don't like and what we're talking about here. Yeah. Doesn't give white people. More people are confusing. The criticisms of the Senate with the ones of the electoral college, right? I mean. Yeah. It slightly tips. The scale toward smaller states and smaller states population. Wise tend to be more rural and more white at least Naito college DC gets to vote which it does not in the Senate. Maybe it's not a bad thing to like allow a finding number of votes in each state, which are allocated. I would hope in the same way across state, by the way, if you look at like what happens if you do proportional in two thousand sixteen so if you ignore third party votes, then you'd wind up with Clinton two hundred and seventy Trump two hundred and sixty eight. Which are can you go back? But you've only you've basically only laid out one reason for the electoral college that it that it favours small states. What are the other ones? I'm not. I'm not saying it's a good thing..
"electoral college" Discussed on FiveThirtyEight Politics
"All right. Are you guys ready for a fiery electoral college debate? It's going to defend the Republican candidate for president has only won the national popular vote once since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight that was of course, in two thousand four both Presidents Bush junior and Trump were initially elected by the electoral college while losing the popular vote. And now reformers largely Democrats are trying to sideline the electoral college, the national popular vote interstate compact last week, Colorado governor Jerry police said that he would sign the compact after it passed the state legislature and that would make Colorado the twelfth state to join the compact let's begin with the basics who wants to explain the concept of the national popular vote, compact states, get to decide how they wore their electoral college votes, if enough states decide to award all the votes to the winner of the national popular vote enough being states, consisting of two hundred seventy electoral votes. It would defacto give us a national popular vote election right now in twenty twenty if Jay Inslee wins, Colorado and beats Trump there, then Colorado's nine electoral votes would go to Jay Inslee. But if Trump wins the popular vote nationally, even if Inslee beats. Trump in Colorado. If this compact plays Colorado's nine electoral vote, go Trump and just to give you the numbers of where things are right now after Colorado joins they'll have one hundred eighty one electors about ninety electors off from what they actually need. And in case, you're curious about whether or not your state is in this compact. The members are New York, California, Hawaii Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington, probably not surprising. Does this seem bad like heavily states decided to get cute with overriding their voters preferences? Can I there's a history so electors who do not vote for the person who won their state are called faithless electors? And there have been a number of them throughout history. I looked this up twenty sixteen actually had the most in our history, the most faithless electors who went against basically voting for Donald Trump. So this is kind of like this. Like the statewide version of being a faithless elector in some ways. It was just imagining that, you know, the show cheaters I don't know if it's actually called cheaters, but where they catch people cheating on their significant others on camera. If they had like a version of that for faithless electors where it's like begin. Although to be fair the way that the electoral college is set up is each state gets to decide how it awards, it's elector. So for example, in a state like Maine, you don't have all the electors going to the person who won the state popular vote. So I don't think they would be considered faithless electors under this compact because the states changing its own walk. So what if a democrat wins Texas in twenty twenty and then the Texas legislature, which is still Republican dominated decides? We're going to have a vote in the state legislature to decide who gets sexist electoral votes. Whoops. It's not data work. It's President Trump. And as a result, President Trump has been reelected. There you go. I think you have a constitutional crisis. Yeah. I mean, this would be. Crisis. If this compact happened, it would be a constitutional crisis. It's a constitutional workaround. Right. It's it's a it's a workaround Bork around is a good time for. Yeah. All right. So we dove right in. But let's let's take a step back and ask a really basic question. Claire, why do we have the electoral college to begin with? It's a it's a compromise. The basic gist is the founding fathers wanted states with smaller voting populations which tended to be southern states because they had people who were in slave to couldn't vote those states were protesting the popular vote way of doing things because they said, listen people candidates from the big states. They're going to win every single time. And we're gonna get shut out. And so the short version is basically the electoral college is meant to be compromised that allows states with smaller populations to have more say in who's elected? And it was the other side of the coverage where people who just wanted congress to. Sorry. I mean, the fact that way omen gets three votes. When it should have one is pretty immaterial the part..
"electoral college" Discussed on Citation Needed
"But then I was like I don't want to be the asshole the day after it doesn't happen. All right. So are you ready for the quiz? I am as ready as Nate silver was for last election. All right. So which of the following is the best slogan for the electoral college is it a one corporation one vote. Be white power to. See stop bringing up George W and Trump. So I'd say, but they just skip the regular elections. You get massive amounts of congressman to do their bidding. So let's go with be it. But it's not powers. It's fractions by actions that we're working with is. Correct. Well done. All right. See? So we spent a lot of time poking fun at the red white and blue today, but we're not the only one with some wacky election practices, which is a real election process. In other parts of the world is it a in order to get on the ballot in France, a given candidate must secure at least five hundred signed endorsements from among a pool of forty five thousand eligible state officials thirty six thousand five hundred sixty nine of whom are French mayors. These mayors who can endorse only one candidate each made themselves represent constituencies ranging in sizes from millions in major cities like Paris to literally one person who declares himself. Mayor. In the two houses of parliament each constituency excluding the twenty five percent of each house. That is directly appointed by the military, the military representatives from both sides of the legislature are then organized into a third party whereupon each group Alexei vice president, then the presidential electoral college, composed of all three groups, obviously, one of the three vice-presidents to be the new resident the other two remain vice presidents, we can see why they're killing it, man. Mar. Is it seem in Lebanon positions of power are divided up by race and religion, including the presidency, which must go to Maronite Christian the prime ministership, which must go to a SUNY Muslim and the parliamentary speaker, which must go to a Shiite Muslim voting districts are similarly assigned, but since the parties and power don't want to give it up the country hasn't done a census since nineteen thirty two. Or d. All of the above. I'm gonna go is d but and another that can be any crazier than than actual nutsy running in the Chicago land area for fair. It is fair. Amazing. See so I learned something here. Thank you, clearly the electoral college, just one of many good ways of deciding on our leadership, which of the following is the best method for making big decisions that would be just as useful as the electoral college. There's quite a lot of answers available to a dance off be arm-wrestling. See tho- more which you have to declare. Chairs so much better. Duck duck goose egg hot potato g spin the bottle or h literally any other method. All there's no worse about this. I want to go with be as long as I have to turn my hat around a win. Let's go with F, which is also what Ted Cruz wife calls heath in bed. Sure. No, no, probably not. Choice. Fair reminder that we're not exactly thority on logical ways. Choosing winners. I guess tob wins this week. So he gets to take over as host next week. And he gets to decide who has to do all the work. All right. I'll get out my source, and my dictionary my pronunciation key. And I will choose ally. Technically, you'll choose. All right. Well, now, I'll toss it over to Sarah for last week's Twitter answer and this week's Twitter question. Thanks Noah each week. We ask the audience what obvious joke did we miss in this episode last week's answer comes from John on Facebook with this, obviously, the colloquial term for parachute mines is cocktail. To play along at home, just re tweet or Facebook. Share this episode with your joke for a chance to be next week's winter back to you know, all right for seasonally heath, and Tom I'm thanking you for hanging out with us today. We'll be back next week. And by then Eli will be an expert on something else between now, and then you can hear more from seasonal time over on cognitive distance. And you can hear more from heath. Eli myself on the scathing scepter Pratt and gone off movies..
"electoral college" Discussed on Citation Needed
"Okay. I gotta say see. So with those particular states on your side. I'm not sure you'd call that winning. Maybe it's a good thing. That was ineffective. Good was create is the mayor in little NICKY and Batman for George Wallace. Not the actor who you're anyway. In fairness, George Wallace, the politician. He was taking votes away from Richard Nixon. But it's not like fucking mattered because even though Humphries who was Nixon's opponent. The democrat was within point seven percents Nixon in the popular vote the electoral college score was three oh one to one ninety one or Jesus forty seven to one ninety one. If Wallace wasn't there stealing electoral votes from Nixon because the electoral college is a giant built-in gerrymander after the fact the arguments for the electoral college that like I said earlier, it makes it so urban areas are not so heavily weighted, and it also levels the playing field between states these people contend that. The country is made up of states and ignoring each state's atonomy pulls away from the state's power. Or and gives that power to the United States as a whole. All right. But I feel like we tip our hands on that national fiction in eighteen sixty one though. United States as a whole has the power. So this would be a lost cause. No. Some proponents that the college is in a much better situation to decide who will be the president of the nominee dies before the electors convene. Oh, okay. Well, that's an interesting one. Okay. But if we add running mate, can then we just do the count the votes. There's also a notion that this helps prevent massive voter fraud because it's contained in one state and recounts wouldn't have to be nationwide. Yeah. That way the supreme court only has to cancel one St. recount at a time. It makes it easier for them. See in Nebraska, we have to voting. You there have been some attempts to amend the constitution to get rid of the electoral college, but none of gotten off the ground one measure put forth that maybe a work around is the national vote interstate compact, this would be an agreement between states that would basically award the votes for that state to the candidate that won the popular vote for the country. Not the state it's still needs over one hundred electoral votes worth of states to agree to it before. It has an illegal force. We're gonna fix global warming first. And then this one we don't want to rush. Pretty good though that that national popular vote interstate compact thing that actually might work. Yeah. Yeah. All the fucking democratic states. That are dates. Yeah. So that that if only the democratic side signs up, it doesn't work very well. All right. So we get two hundred seventy no matter what that you know. However, we add up to to seventy works. But we're not there. We're like one hundred away still or something like that. So all right. So if you had to summarize what you've learned in one sentence. What would it be no matter how much implied your vote didn't matter you should still fucking vote? No because these actually vote in this one. Of course, this episode is gonna come out after that after so you should have voted. Disappointingly? How did he know? I was accident. I was actually going to do mega sue NAMI because I was like Blue Wave..
"electoral college" Discussed on Citation Needed
"And we're back where we left off cease. Give us a pretty good idea of what the intent of the system wasn't how I got corrupted into the debacle that it is now, but I feel like no history of the electoral college would be complete without discussing the equally long history of America's realizing and talking about how unfair and fucked up it. There's a lot of criticism of the electoral college, the first and most obvious is that isn't always a representation of the popular vote because it's a winner. Take all system in forty eight states. It's actually mathematically possible to win the electoral college with under twenty five percent of the pond really a flaw now, it's not likely but Nate silver taught us the difference between likely in years ago, and I still blame him because my heart hurts and. This could obviously be alleviated if we decided to use a system that main Nebraska have all over the country, the person who won the state's popular vote would have a clear advantage getting two of the state's votes. But the rest would be decided based on how each district vote, ROY. And we'll draw the district's using. Electoral. The main reason people give for keeping the electoral college is they think that prevents the election being decided by the largest urban centers. The largest thug centers. No notice. But he sounds urban centers. Nailed it. The math for this actually doesn't add up though as the top fifty cities in population only account for fifteen percent of the United States population. And even if you add in all the metropolitan areas of the country the total population. This fifty urban centers would be fifty five percent of the population. But I think the argument is more that those are the only places politicians would go because it wouldn't make financial sense to stump in rural places anymore that being said, I feel like the idea that political ads would pretty much only run in major urban areas would be a great argument to get rural voters on board with this, right? I mean, just wouldn't it be terrible. If like, the centers for commerce and education and the arts and diversity chose our leadership instead of GED dropout unemployed line worker who grew up in a field of middle or. Middle america. I was right. The first time. Tom. This is America. If you're going to see something true that white people don't like you have to say it. Nice. Nice way to say that another criticism is that instead of nationwide campaign candidates, really only focus on large swing states candidates will basically ignore the states that are a definite win and the ones no matter how much they campaign. They will definitely lose only to focus on the ones with close races. That yield the largest number of oats. The main swing states are Colorado, Florida, Iowa Michigan. Minnesota Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Because nothing says these are the guys who should make the decision like counting on the states, whose primary value is being indecisive. Let's find places where they just can't decide between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump because. Hall, and let's put those people in charge of large decisions for the fucking great system. It's the election equivalent of an anti-bullying program at my high school, it's against everyone's best interest. Thank you for your pro bullying stance. All I'm saying is that the kids in my high school stop being weird because they killed themselves. But they stop. Matters moving on to in these swing states voter turnout is critical. But in other lock states voter turnout. Really doesn't matter at all. There's an argument that the reason why the system even exist to disenfranchise black slaves because they were counted in the three fifths compromise when it came to how many electoral votes, a slave owning state would have. Okay. Yeah. But I mean, but if you wanted to get rid of all the Americans should there was born out of over racism need, a fucking meteor torch. Fun fact, if you get rid of everything racist, literally all this left of America is the Sears catalog. Pose nineteen Eighty-eight system. Also, disenfranchises the US. Territories Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands, the US Virgin Islands American Samoa and Guam as each of these. Territories has zero electoral college votes. It also makes third party candidate run completely ineffective. Last third party candidate to win. Any state was in nineteen sixty eight George Wallace, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia, and I wanna point out. Effective to win the press..
"electoral college" Discussed on Citation Needed
"And this would be literally the first time that being qualified for something was considered a prerequisite in American politics. Right so poll taxes literacy tests, gerrymandering the electoral college, Brian Kemp in Georgia. And literally we still have three fifths of. Just to be clear. I I'm working on the last one by the time this maybe fingers crossed. And even though Hamilton rage drafted a constitutional amendment to stop this practice. He could not hold back the tide by the early eighteen hundreds the winner take all electoral vote system was really starting to take hold and would eventually be the new normal. A couple of states today. Agnostic this method, Nebraska and Maine use the district method to decide how their electors vote the popular vote winner gets two of their votes and the rest vote on how the individual districts voted. So their votes can be split between candidate. And just know remember that we have Nebraska, exactly and state bird is going to be a nobody gives a fuck Nebraska. Do what you got. So how the modern electoral college. Oh, it doesn't. So on election day in our various states here in the United States. We go to the polls and vote. Well, a little more than half of us do anyway. Stay home and protest vote. Ourselves all day when we are waiting through the refractory period. Okay. But you're not counting the thousands upon thousands of dead people in illegal immigrants. He's no need to be partisan. And you're forgetting the people who just you know, play through the refractory period. You just keep playing. It's literally thanking you keep it as drinking never get a hangover. Guys. I think you're being a little unfair staying home is an amazing way to send a message that you hate the shit out of black people and women and Gabi everyone. But you that is. Clear message American. Yeah. At the polls, we'll see a list of candidates for president. We aren't actually voting for those people though, we're voting for some person who will then on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December vote for president based on who got the majority of votes in our state. But it's it's nice to have a guy, you know. Or a corporation or corporation. To come on that would be so fun. This used prison brought to you by diet, Pepsi, Pepsi. You've bought it by accident. Right. Yeah. You find me a person who is purposefully bought a diet, Pepsi. I will give you six dollars. Stakes are so low now this can cause a bit of an issue because as we have seen you could lose the popular vote and still win electoral college and by use pelicans can do that literally all five times that happened Republicans. And also some presidents. Have you believe that it's a much harder thing to? The electoral college also causes iniquity of voting power based on population. Individuals in California, Texas, New York, Florida Eleanor have votes that are worth the least and actually less than three fifths. And people from Wyoming, Washington DC, Vermont North Dakota, Alaska, we'll have a vote that is worth more. Okay. I know you have a lot of essay left and appreciate that. I really do. But I just need to take a quick break. If you don't mind just drown myself in this bucket of vomit that I've been letting age for let's see one year in two hundred eighty two days just. Tom actually, one guy in Wyoming just outlawed buckets in Illinois. You're gonna have to give that up. Now when these people are elected, they go to the state capitol and perform some bizarre political ritual. They have chairman and secretaries and tellers, they sometimes check preprinted ballots other times right in the candidate on blank slips their certificates vote and certificates Vassar -ment. And at some point one of them has to inscribe a bald eagle in Virgin's blood on the state, capitals floors pre over a shotgun rack and apparent truck nuts. But in the end, they basically vote exactly how the state wanted and the vote, and they send that vote to congress. Okay. So like the system that Hamilton envisioned minus the point. Face of America story. True twenty twenty four just going to be wolf Blitzer. Pint alumina rubber with a hammer and sickle. That's the. Thomson reading my diary. They can choose not to vote for the candidate that one in the popular vote in their state..
"electoral college" Discussed on Citation Needed
"How you can help maintain our formula be sure to stick around to the end of the show, and with that out of the way, tell us, Tom, what person place thing concept phenomenon or vent. Will we be talking about today today, we'll be talking about the electoral college or as its colloquial known common core voters? You did. So you did what? Passes for research is here parts. Are you ready to a sad algorithm? Just. No, I didn't do any research. I just read a wiccan article, man. Oh. This shit on your bragging people on this show. You did good. All right. So if I asked you what the electoral college is and I didn't allow you to use the term bullshit or any other animals shit. How would you answer? Well, I would say the electoral college is a group of people that we elect who then in turn cast a vote for the presidency of the United States. The college has five hundred thirty eight members and each state has the number of electors equal to the number of senators and house members that represent it that comes out to a hundred for senators four hundred thirty five for the house of representatives and three for the district of Columbia rounding out to a grand total of five hundred and thirty eight I was today years old when I learned why that website is called that. Ask why that website was. You think you was like his favorite number. Favorite number. Let's weird because I didn't hear Puerto Rico represented. I'm gonna Chuck that up to a clerical error. Our all our voting machines run on electric. All right. So how we convoluted way of picking a president? Well, the college has its origins in the very beginning of our nation. Originally, we had what they called the Virginia plan in which congress directly elected the president. They threw that idea out. And that was the last thing congress ever did. They they instead decided that they didn't want a group of people the congress elected by the state to decide who the president was. Instead, they picked a new group of people who happen to be the exact same number of people in congress. And those people would decide who the president. All right. So we wanted democracy. No, not that one not. Still. No, we'll just do it. We'll talk. Catalogue? I could look I love the idea that we had to choose different people to do our choosing than the people. We chose to do. Dr Seuss book and who chooses the shoes to come out the chooser choice choosers. Electoral college, Dr Seuss book patriot goal. That's all. Yes. I'm gonna donate my share the money, actually. So some of the founding fathers, actually, like the super strange and complicated idea called, let me say pop- popular vote and. People vote, and then we count all the votes and over and gets the most votes wins like in Russia. In a few years, you won't be able to tell the difference. So. I can't trade. Our guy who has trouble with umbrella technology for their evil. Knowledge, nationalist because I. So a proponent of this founding father, James Madison, also understood that there was no way certain states would agree to this. Because then the large urban centers of the burgeoning nation would have more sway in an election, and it would disenfranchise less populous states. So wait a minute. How is that? Even an argument. It's. With less. People will come less when you do that. So the Senator from New York's okay, how do we sell this by voting? Wait. By disenfranchise. You mean everyone's vote would be exactly equal in value. We'd be disenfranchising the people who could talk at half speed and down to. Fucking gift, by the way, they should be fucking real happy. They get equal value on. You serious. The popular vote is unfair. Just like the thirteenth amendment is Christian persecution. So the electoral college is something of a compromise Madison thought that the constitution itself was made to be a mixture of state rule and democratic or population base rule. The states had the Senate and the people had the house of representatives. So he thought that the president should be decided by a mixture of those two as well Oma God. Yes. Because the best way to get the most done is to decide everything by overlapping committees of self interested many..
"electoral college" Discussed on Pat Gray Unleashed
"It i mean we literally had to pull this up to two to confirm with each other because it wasn't even that i was just so s so confirmed in this myself it's at and it wasn't even that it was literally the fact that i was almost e wait hold on a second wait a minute it would is that right what is that is this right i'll take a step back that's where we are now they think this by the way i think this is purposeful the electoral college is a process not a place so that should say at all right the founding fathers thin and this was the conversation this was the the gist of the conversation i said you know the founding fathers really smart guys and and then that's worth a whole conversation kind of took the trenchcoats now this was at the founding fathers in having think that this was not this is well i'll now with so we looked it up the founding fathers established it in the constitution is a compromise between election of the president by a vote in congress and election of the president by a popular vote of qualified citizens uh the electoral college process consist of the selection the electors the meeting of the electors were they vote for the president the vicepresident and counting of electoral votes by congress electoral college consists of five hundred thirty eight selector our electors selector on i was kudrow 40th up on our majority of two hundred seventy electoral votes is required to elect the president goes on and on all you could go read more about this but it talks about the twentythird amendment win this took place.
"electoral college" Discussed on Pat Gray Unleashed
"Each other's that ensures that we can accomplish this and apoe impossible task of being selfgoverning even as we are in perfect and flawed and likely to not do what's best for our next door neighbour college they'll protect the smaller states it can you explain that show well you know i think we actually got a really good demonstration of this in 2016 um hillary clinton did win the national popular vote but she did that in heavy reliance on two states only two states california new york where she got twenty percent of her vote a full 20 percent of her vote from only two states in the in the union without the electoral college of course you would have had even more incentive to go to those really safe friendly areas and build up her support as much as she could so the electoral college ensures that you cannot win with only a handful of states support you have to get broadbased support you have to cross regions you have to get different kinds of industries different kinds of subcultures in this great country of ours to support you or you're not going to be able to win the electoral college i'm joy it's the same thing that happened in eighteen 88 by the way um which is maybe we can look at that a little bit less emotionally in 2016 88 grover cleveland won the national popular vote but lost the electoral college and the reason for that was because he relied too heavily on six southern states where he was getting landslide victory something like seventy percent of the people were voting for him now i would argue grubber cleveland should not win the electoral college if he can only do it because he's got six southern states behind him it's the same day last year she needed a broader base of support and she would have won if she had done that.
"electoral college" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"Reminding the court before keep the amendment i'm applies um and once she see that you have to say does one person one vote affect winnertakeall and then the second part is to show exactly why winnertakeall um i is not consistent with this idea of one person monther now we have a a similar dynamic with the senate no i mean we've got people who have the equal representation of fromfrom montana i have a la a lot bigger stake as a voter in what happens in the senate than f i live in california absolutely and you know both the senate and the initial allocation of electors um um to the states in some tend to violate this principle of equality and the court is basically given this part of the story a constitutional parachute it said you know we're not gonna uh for keeping i'm wasn't men to come to the senate and i'd say it wasn't meant to undo the electoral college but again we're not challenging the electoral college and we certainly are not challenging the senate where we're challenging against the way the state had allocated their electoral folks so that's not part of the constitution that's nothing the framers intended or had anything to do with i'm it's just a rule that the states have adopted pretty clear why they adopted a you know once a couple of stage did it i'm you'd be crazy not to do it because your power and stay tuned is a fraction of what it could be if you don't allocate winnertakeall um but once the state to do it the question is whether what they have done is consistent with the values of equality in the fourteen commadnant and i think what will show if it's not.
"electoral college" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"And we want the supreme court to take the case and and and say that the principle of one person one vote means the state has to give the loser on his or her share and uh in in the state so that uh on the nation as a whole we get something close to proportional representation in the electoral college for president so and and we should say that this uh this dynamic this problem does not play out in every fifty states dares two states that do it differently let's just let's talk about that too to highlight i guess the the problem with the other forty eight but it's a main and nebraska um allocate their electors congressional district by congressional district and then they allocate those senatorial electors every state gets to electors for the senate in a winnertakeall debts so the winner of thought voted main um gets to electors and then get additional lectures depending on whether they win or lose in a particular congressional district now that system itself is not uh is not great because that's you know for small stayed in particular that's not even proportional i'm but it's fundamentally different from a state like california where the winner debts all 55 electoral votes regardless of the percentage stuff uh number two got in the state so where is the we're where is this principle uh one person one vote where does that live i mean because the electoral college is uh it's in the constitution but how.
"electoral college" Discussed on The Majority Report with Sam Seder
"You are listening to a free person at the majority of pro sports show and get another fifteen minutes daily prevents majority dot s and please giarra rubbed with c it is thursday october fifty 70 my name is sam cedar this is the fivetime award winning majority report we are broadcasting live steps from the industrial ravaged go honest can now in the heartland of america downtown brooklyn usa on the program today harvard professor of law lawrence lessig on his group equal citizens which is pursuing a lawsuit to change the electoral college also on the program today rex it watches on tillerson reportedly in a suicide pact and while the doj investigates harvard's affirmative action program and reverses protections for transgender employees publican donors pests but that doesn't mean the party is isn't getting stronger and anti abortion so the but not for me gop congressman to resign and spend more time with his ladies hopefully now the offspring and we may see some minor movement on minor gun regulation as bumps stock sales soar and a populist revolution candidate with a big surprise victory in a birmingham alabama may oral race meanwhile dem's a lead in virginia governor race but the state house is key all this and more on today's program folks uh a an atypical slowed news day today and we'll have an opportunity get to uh if you miss that ivanka and junior story uh we will cover that uh today as well um.