36 Burst results for "Electoral College"
Breaking Down the Process of Election Decertification With Jenna Ellis
"Let's talk about the other. Big news wendy roaches arizona. Senator senator with i think how many other ninety other politicians demanded these certification and talk to us about this idea of decertification vice. Reinstatement we said. Reinstatement not a goer. What is the significance of this phrase in. How realistic is it. Well it's realistic. As long as republicans have the political backbone in the political will to actually do something about it so well. Reinstatement was a political theory. That was kind of in my view. Outside the margins of the us constitution decertification is important because it is a legislative recognition through the actual constitutionally appointed entity to recognize and safe for the record. The certifications that happened in the swing states including arizona. Were false. they were based on information and facts. That were that we have said. Throughout since november third is not the accurate reflection of what the voters actually indicated. Or what happens then say arizona decides okay. This is enough abnormalities. Tens of thousands of votes that have potentially fraudulent if they decertify. Does that not then require if there's a requisite number of these certifications for a re meeting of the electoral college well. So that's one thing that can in in my opinion should happen. If you get at least three states to decertify. And basically joe biden falls below the two hundred seventy threshold. Then we are in the constitutional crisis of congress having to say. Hey listen we now are in the position that the the installed president didn't actually reach the threshold. So what should happen is it should go then to the. Us house of representatives like it would have pre-january sex. They vote by state delegation. And they have the in article one article two rather section one point six congress can in this instance vote by help house delegation and call for a new
Fresh update on "electoral college" discussed on Stephanie Miller
"The election was not stolen And you were unwilling to say them then Can you say those fine words I've never said it was stolen mister chairman I'll give you the same answer Never said it was I said we should investigate it I said on January 6th when the electoral votes were counted that Joe Biden is president of the United States and if you got a problem with that I don't understand you The real question is why don't you guys want to investigate what happened A lot of words yourself but unfortunately you're still unwilling to say those 5 simple words And I think that's incredibly important you know pushy debunked conspiracy theories and not pushing that conspiracy theory when it comes to the trip Especially with 5 words Oh representative jerky with no jacket Yep Purposes of jackass look no jacket Jim Jordan Oh and then skipped the Matt Gates Jamie Raskin asked him the same question Do you accept that Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election I accept that Joe Biden is the president To accept that he won the election by more than 7 million votes in defeated Donald Trump by three O 6 to two 32 in the Electoral College a margin that Donald Trump called a landslide when he beat Hillary Clinton by the same numbers I think that our election was uniquely polluted by these indiscriminate mail in ballots I think that this was the first time in America's history where the mailbox beat the power Oh my God Okay Can I just say wait who is my new here Oh I have to represent a Norma Torres All right Sidney crashed the thing in the first place He wasn't even supposed to be in this committee hearing Well he was testifying a witness Right It is unfortunate that we have to look at the moral character Of how people deny and try to twist the truth around what happened People died this is not about somebody being sexually assaulted or somebody paying to have sex with a young girl or somebody not protecting people that are under their jurisdiction This is about our democracy Is this about future generations of Americans that deserve to have liberty and justice for all.
What Is There for Republicans to Compromise With the Democrats?
"I'm wondering why you think the Republicans aren't willing to compromise with Biden in any way shape or form Why should they Why should they What should they compromise on Critical race theory Open borders Massive tax increases There are a lot of things pay attention I'm educating you Redistribution of wealth violating separation of powers packing the Supreme Court nullifying the Electoral College if they can and nationalizing our voting system Tell me what should the Republicans compromise when the Republican Party was founded as an antislavery party They never compromised on slavery They're not going to compromise I hope on tyranny I don't believe in Marxism sir I don't believe in undermining the constitution What's the compromise about What's the compromise for What do you hang out mister Medusa Did he Okay I wouldn't compromise the goal now as to defeat them Compromise this is a party that won't even negotiate This is a party that's trying to break the rules in order to impose their will This is a party that's trying to destroy all opposition whatsoever that supports censorship and in working with the big tech What is there to compromise on if you believe in liberty and individualism in the constitution and unalienable rights If you believe in capitalism if you believe in sovereignty in a secure border if you believe in a sound dollar if you believe in energy independence if you believe in a military second to none that's not abused but use properly If you support law enforcement and Law & Order what's the compromise with Ladies and gentlemen our position isn't a position to
Conservative Historian Victor Davis Hanson on How to Pull America Out of Its Current Death Spiral
"I'm always mortified. When someone i trust like you Sees what i see. Because i prefer to be suffering from from emotionalism or something you know and you write about it in this book that we're facing now is simply unprecedented. What do you say in the book about. What do you think what you think is possible in terms of of dealing with it. That's always gotta be my first question. Do you think it's possible for us to pull out of this death. Spiral i identify sick symptoms of three from the organic natural historical forces that migrations into a country without borders and the disruption of a private space the destruction of the middle class tribalism which destroys civilization. And then the elite postmodern forces that are destroying citizenship. And that's kind of a euphemism for the country as you as you suggest. And that's this administrative state. These two million people. It can be anybody from general milley to james comey and you know the score. And then people who are trying to change the constitution the customs whether it's the full buster or the electoral college fifty state union and then finally this globalization that our first allegiance to go to the un who were going to you know on the invitation from secretary. Blinken going to see whether we're racist or not so. All of those things can be reversed is what i'm trying to say
Julie Kelly Describes How Trump Supporters Are Being Turned Into Convicted Felons
"Kelley welcome to america. First one on one. Thank you for having me. One an intro. So i know the invoice in the mail. So what did you talk about. Yes there was a topic of your panel. Just a little snippet so the subject that i've been covering for the last several months as you know we've talked about is january six out of laughed and the biden regime the media weaponising it against not just the people who were there that day but everyone on the right by extension almost seventy five million trump voters and so How that investigation is accelerating and how it is ensnared now over six hundred americans and they have been even more. Recent arrests have not every week. There are new arrests so with the justice department. Continues this what. I call terror crusade. We could we probably jihad against maga. It is it is. I mean this is what you see. So that the panel discussion yesterday was vaccine mandates and then january six. You could see the convergence relation vaccine mandates The the hunt for the quote unquote insurrectionists criminalising conservatives is it not criminalizing conservatives and criminalizing dissent so that is really what they're doing now the vaccine mandates mandates et cetera. Et one thing But what they're really doing with the january sixth investigation Prosecuting people for trespassing adding felony charges. Keeping now about sixty people behind bars denied bail under pretrial detention dot by. Let's stop here. Sixty people who is any one of them charged with insurrectional revolution. Yeah so what are they challenged with. Julie mostly trespassing civil disorder conspiracy a felony charge. That's very common is obstruction of official proceeding. Which more the two hundred people face. That charges never been applied to a political protests. Ever and never was. It's a two thousand two statute that was posted. Enron that would stop people from interfering in congressional inquiries. It was never intended for people who walked in the capital when they were certifying electoral college. But this is the way that they are turning trump supporters in to convicted
Two Federal Judges Concerned How Some Are Charged on Jan. 6 Events
"Even at two federal judges, truly both appointed by Obama, who raised concerns about the way certain people are being charged. They've raised the question like wait a minute. You're charging people for disrupting Congress. When in fact, we've had people disrupt Congress. You hit him with a misdemeanor. You let them go. You're charging these people with felonies if they don't plead to to an offense that you demand And they're starting and they're saying What is that? Based on? You've heard that too, right? I have. So you're referring to Judge Moss and Judge Maeda? Um Judge Moss called the obstruction of official proceeding felony, which this DOJ has slapped on at least 200 cases. To turn Trump supporters and two convicted felons. It's never been used in this way before the judges know it. The government knows it. The defense lawyers certainly know it. And so both of those lawyers have raised concern. Judge Moss said. It has a constitutional staginess problem. There is a motion in the oath Keepers case. Motion to dismiss and judge made A is considering that now and should make a ruling should issue some ruling on that next month. Um, but again, Philip bump. Do you even know what the obstruction of an official proceeding charge is its origination, which was a post and run law. That was supposed to stop and the interference and congressional investigations, not the certification of the Electoral College. So you know, these are the things that Mr Bump does not stay awake at
The Supreme Court Had Precedent to Rule on the 2020 Election
"Now, these men who gathered in Philadelphia, They understood what they were doing. They created the Constitution. They created the federal government. They created the presidency and the vice presidency. They created the Electoral College. They created separation of powers. And they created Article two, Section one Clause two. In such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct comma. In the state of Pennsylvania that come about the Pennsylvania What a growth a grave violation of the federal Constitution by the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania as much as you would a violation of the Constitution by the Florida Supreme Court in 2000. Actually, this was worse. The difference is the U. S. Supreme Court in 2000 stepped in and upheld the United States Constitution. And one of the arguments people were making, including me was exactly this section of the Constitution. Article two Section one Clause two as the Florida Supreme Court kept changing the deadlines and the manner in which we count chads. They kept extending the deadlines. They kept interposing themselves into how chance are to be counted. They were violating the federal constitution. And the U. S Constitution. Put an end to it. The U. S. Supreme Court under the US Constitution, put an end to it because the Legislature makes these decisions. Not the Florida Supreme Court. Well, what happened in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania was even worse. Because what happened there is also an elected in this case, Supreme Court of seven members, five of them were Democrats. They extended the time for voting. The eliminated the signature requirement. And they did other things. That the Legislature in Pennsylvania, which was Republican, did not do.
Liberals Exploit Capitol Officers Earning Medal but Ignore Officers Fighting Antifa, BLM Rioters
"The way, I believe these officers should get the congressional gold medal. But I believe all officers Should have been recognized as such. Including in Portland, including in Seattle, including in New York, including in Philadelphia and Atlanta and Minneapolis and so forth, and so on. So many acts of heroism. You can't count them all. But that's not Joe Biden. No. Now, so they'll exploit this. Why do I say exploit it? Because they they never talk about what took place and these other said ever They never denounced What took place in these other cities ever. There was a police precinct that was burned down. And others that were targeted. They were trying to burn them down with police officers in them. Not a word. Nothing. But what do you expect? These people despise the cops. They despise the Electoral college, which they pretend to defend. They seek to destroy the Republican Party in any opposition as a result of their For the People Act. They don't believe a damn thing, they say, except when they believe it.
Conservatives Have to Leave Their Hometowns for the Sake of Survival
"So bad as the situation garden that people are moving, they're leaving. Homes in which they were born. Towns in which they were raised states that they loved. Of survival. Had a survival because their businesses can't work there. Employment situation is terrible. And so what's happening is you're seeing a mass migration. Here's the problem with this mass migration just from a a distance perspective, not in your own life those you need to do obviously. But as more and more people leave for Florida, or leave for Tennessee, or leave for Texas. It becomes much more difficult to win the electoral college. Do you understand what I'm saying? Mr Producer? As you can pile up big numbers in Florida and Texas and Tennessee. But it's not going to be enough. You've got to win these other states. Because you have built in electoral college numbers in each state. At least three But in most states more So it becomes much more difficult. So the Democrats don't give a damn if you leave New York or leave California leave Illinois or Leave one of the the government run hellholes that they've created. I don't mean the states having the government's And harass you attacks you and all the rest. Because they figure we're depopulating our state of Republicans. That's a good thing they think. Let them all go to Florida and Texas and Tennessee. Their purifying their states politically, their purifying them. And they don't care. They don't care.
Preventing Burnout in the Daily Podcast Grind With Ashley Hamer, Managing Editor and Host of 'Curiosity Daily'
"Weekly shows. You'll often just there's a. There's a tried and true formula. You record you produce you. Release you record. You produce you release to do that with the daily show you know. Some people can do it. It may be a recipe for burnout. It's that's a lot to do every single day. So there are ways around that you can batch your tasks that is going to be the theme of this day is you can get all of you. Can you can do all of your writing. You can do all of your content planning and record multiple episodes in one. Go so one. One example of that is in the center here batch production. You have maybe two episodes of new content. You have one episode. That's just evergreen that you can run anytime you record all of those together. Do all the production at the same time and then you have three episodes and it's less time planning less time scheduling less time. You know getting out all the equipment. It's a little bit faster but of course not every show can do that. Some shows are more timely. Some shows are new shows so a solution to that might be kind of a blend you could do. The record produce release schedule for those really timely episodes that need to come out tomorrow but in addition to that so that you always have daily content. You could also have some evergreen stories that you you record all together and you have multiple episodes in one recording and production and session the for a science. Show what we'll do is a lot of our content is evergreen but will also cover things like you know the the venus missions that were just announced. You know we will. We can pop in and do a timely story in this process. It's it's very flexible but if you're not a science show like we. Are you know a news. Podcast could possibly run a primer on. How the electoral college works. During every election season or a comedy podcast could re run a segment where like a running joke head originally started so everybody can like here that that little bit of history. There's there's a lot you can do to have content for every day of the week and yet still have time to create the stuff. You really wanna create.
Trump's Lawyer Jenna Ellis Discusses Truth Behind 2020 Audits
"So what do than three million. This is across the nation plus the video streams and everything else in the podcast. What do people need to know about recent developments in the last month. What's happening where where what what is tending toward. And what could we expect. Yes so the audits in arizona and georgia are continuing on their tracks. Already as i said in fulton county georgia. There are enough. Suspect ballots there. to overturn. The result in georgia were close to that in arizona. Pennsylvania is looking at their own audit. Our friend doug muster on is heading up that effort and so this is becoming a greater bowl rolling to make sure that we get to these audits What's so frustrating courses. That democrats even joe biden or fighting this every step of the way But we're in the midst of this fight and we're still gonna fight for the truth to come out and then where we go from here is taking those results and having the state legislatures then make a finding that those certifications were not presented to congress according to state law where we go from there. What the remedy is will people always say. Well you know. We can't have a constitutional crisis all these rhinos. I'm sorry folks. We're already in a constitutional crisis. We know that the current sitting president of the united states was constitutionally installed according to the electoral college votes but they were based on false certifications where the remedy goes that's where constitutional layers might like myself others on our election. Integrity lands board others. That i'm talking to were still investigating that in analyzing okay post january twentieth post january six. Where can we go from here to get not just election integrity but election justice.
Police Testimony to Lead Panel's First Jan. 6 Capitol Breech Hearing
"A new panel to investigate the deadly January 6th breach of the U. S Capitol building will hold its first public hearing later this month. The first hearing for the House Select Committee on January. 6th will set the tone for the investigation, Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson told The Associated Press. Absence is a public hearing could happen in less than two weeks with testimony from first responders, including those beaten by rioters trying to prevent Congress from certifying the Electoral College House. Democrats approved the select committee last month, with only two Republicans supporting it. One of them Wyoming Congresswoman Liz Cheney, was named at the panel by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Republican leader Kevin McCarthy has not yet said who he intends to name to the committee Foxes Jared Halpern in
Why You Should Move To A Conservative State
"If you move to a conservative state. And lean our or swing state, and you make that state of reliably red state by moving there. You also increase the number of electoral college votes they get in an electoral college presidential election. Ladies and gentlemen, What we need to do is get 2 to 70. And if we could bump up the population of Texas and Florida From liberal states and get them up to 40 or even 50. Kind of like California electoral votes. You only need 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. Can you imagine a Florida and Texas combined for 90 or 100 votes, and those states were reliably red. The Democrats would be down to basically California, New York Roughly 50 plus 20 something versus our 100. The rate you're already starting the race up. 30, plus electoral votes before votes been cast.
Late Night TV, Politics, and Donald Trump
"Behind the desk the story of late night is sponsored by noon. Donald trump was winning. He was winning all the counties that at he was winning the electoral college. I remember thinking. Wow it's real now. That moment for me was when the daily show with. Trevor noah started a lot. That was new started at that moment. An avalanche of politically charged humor came tumbling down late night television because no public figure since the start of late night in the nineteen fifties at ever ignited that combination of comedy inspiration and pure rage that donald trump did when he descended an escalator and ascended to the presidency. I'm bill carter and this is behind the desk. The story of late night in this edition. We're going to talk about. How late night got in a lather over. Donald trump and politics always attuned to whatever issues were dominating. The news with the president like this late night. Comedy found a new political gear full throttle and trump humor pretty much dan the late night landscape this morning. Donald trump asserted executive privilege over the mall. Report executive privilege of course is actually trumps favorite privilege right after a white male and mar-a-lago handicap bathroom was. You might expect. Trump has been tweeting a lot today. And you can tell. He's getting word because one of his post said they're finding biden votes all over the place in pennsylvania wisconsin and michigan so bad for our country. Do they're not finding votes. They're counting them briefly over the weekend. People started to notice that his hair is suddenly now white. it's completely white. The carpet now matches the supremacy
Heavy Metal Guitarist, US Capitol Rioter Pleads Guilty
"Marks 100 days since the U. S capitol attack and for the first time a guilty plea from one of the defendant during the riot, The FBI said. John Schaefer sprayed US Capitol police officers would bear spray and was photographed inside the U. S can Capital. He's pleading guilty to unlawfully entering restricted grounds for the weapon and disrupting an official proceeding as Congress was meeting to certify the electoral college 100 days after the insurrection, Schaeffer becomes the first defendant to plead guilty. There are more than 400 defendants who have been arrested in 45 different states. BBC's Aaron Carter Ski
Republicans Work to Rebrand GOP as Party of Working Class
"Donald trump brought more working class voters into the republican party than any other president since ronald reagan now. Republicans are trying to figure out how to keep them. The working class vote will be crucial in next year's midterms. Here's npr congressional correspondent. Susan davis in the last decade. The biggest growth in the republican coalition has been white voters without a college degree along with some growth with similarly educated black and hispanic voters. that's why republicans. Like indiana congressman. Jim banks believe the only winning path forward for the gop is to fully reimagined itself as the party of the working class and if republicans want to be successful as a party when the majority in twenty twenty two win back the white house and twenty twenty four. I think we have to learn lessons that donald trump taught us now to appeal to these voters. Banks is the chairman of the republican study committee but conservative faction in the house. long rooted. in small government low taxes and social conservatism. He recently sent a six page memo to house. Minority leader kevin mccarthy making the case that republicans need to refocus their agenda. Almost entirely on working class appeals for banks. This means tougher immigration laws cracking down on china big tech and perhaps most provocatively for republicans corporate america for too long the republican party said into the narratives that republican party was party of business or the party of wall street. Republicans are increasingly comfortable attacking corporations these days. That's a lot easier for them. After wall street donors gave more to joe biden. Major companies halted political donations to republicans who objected to electoral college results on january six and is companies take more liberal positions on controversial issues like georgia's new voting law senate minority leader mitch. Mcconnell last week issued a rare verbal rebuke of companies that oppose the law. Warning if you will to corporate america's to stay out of politics. It's not what you're designed for.
MLB All-Star Game yanked from Atlanta over voting law
"This is all things considered. I'm Audie Cornish and I'm Elsa Chang in Los Angeles. Totally unnecessary. That is what a top lieutenant in the Minneapolis Police Department said today about the way that former police officer Derrick Show Vin Pressed his knee into the neck of George Floyd, he testified on the fifth day of Sheldon's murder trial. NPR's Adrian Florido has been covering the proceedings and joins us again from Minneapolis. Hey, Adrian. Hi, Elsa. All right. So today wrapped up the trial's first week, which, as you know, I've been talking about has been packed with so much emotional testimony, like from bystanders who watched Floyd died to first responders who couldn't revive him. But today the trial seemed to shift a little right. Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah. Today, the prosecution worked to build its case that Derrick show Vin used excessive force on George Floyd. And to do that they called Lieutenant Richard Zimmerman to the stand. He is the longest serving police officer in the Minneapolis PD. He's been on the force since 1985. He's the head of the homicide division. And importantly, after George Floyd's death, he was one of the department employees who publicly condemned what show Vin did. Prosecutor Matthew Frank spent time today asking him about the dangers of restraining a suspect by laying them face down. Have you ever in all the years you've been working for the Minneapolis Police department. On been trained. To kneel on the neck of someone who is handcuffed behind their back in a prone position. No, I haven't. Is that if that were done with that be considered force absolutely. What level of force might that be? That would be the top tier the deadly force. Why? Because of The fact that if you need is on a person's neck That can kill him. Not not mincing words. They're obviously right. Well, what exactly did Lieutenant Zimmerman's say about the way show Vin handle George Floyd. So here is the same prosecutor asking Zimmerman a question about what he saw in the body cam footage of George Boyd's arrest. What is your? You know, your View of that use of force during that time period. Totally unnecessary. What do you mean? Well, first of all. Pulling him down to the ground face down. And putting your knee on the neck. For that amount of time. Is just Uncalled for. I saw no reason why The officers felt they were in danger if that's what they felt. And he said, the danger is what show then I would've had to field to justify keeping his his knee on Floyd's neck for that, Monk. E mean it's not every day that you hear. A police officer, especially a senior police officer criticized Another officer, even a former one, right, right? Yeah. But on cross examination, eyes show, Vin's attorney, Eric Nelson, worked to poke holes in his testimony, his main focus being the latitude that police officers are allowed during under the police department's use of force policy when they're responding to incidents, So here's Nelson asking that the same witness a question. You would agree, however, that in the fight for your life generally speaking in a fight for your life, you is an officer are allowed to use whatever force is reasonable and necessary. Correct? Yes. And that could even involve improvisation, agreed. Yes. Minneapolis Police department policy allows a police officer to use whatever means there never are available to him to protect himself and others, right? Yes. The defense attorney there, obviously giving clues about the kind of arguments he's going to make when it's his turn to present his case that show been feared for his life that he was dealing with the dynamic situation. Struggling suspect an angry crowd. And real quick. When do we expect the defense to start calling their own witnesses? Well. The prosecution is expected to wrap up their case by the end of next week. And then it'll be the defense's turn. We expect starting the following week that is NPR's Adrian Florido in Minneapolis. Thank you, Adrian. Thank you, Elsa. Critics say that George is controversial New election law restricts voter access and disproportionately effects people of color and in protest Major League Baseball announced today It will relocate the summer's All Star game and draft out of Georgia and under pressure from voting rights advocates. Major companies like Delta and Coca Cola have issued critical statements. Now. Stetson University law professor Ciara Tourist Spellissy studies the influence of corporations and lawmaking earlier today, I spoke to her about what she found striking about this wave of corporate criticism. One of the things that's remarkable about the new statements from Delta and Coca Cola is that they have changed positions a few days ago. They put out pretty Tepid criticisms and or support for the Georgia legislation, and now that the legislation has become law, and they've been under pressure from voting rights advocates They have changed their tune on. That doesn't happen that often. Let's dig into that a little more, because obviously corporate America lobbies. Statehouses Congress for all kinds of things, right? Can you talk about how aggressive they can be in this area or how reluctant they have been in this area in the past? So corporations have two main ways that they influence policy. One is through corporate donations to particular candidates. They then spend even more money lobbying lawmakers to get the policies that they want. Now, most of the policies that a corporation wants are for its own benefit. No, this is a little bit different because voting rights advocates in Georgia put pressure on corporations not just because they were located in Georgia, but also because they had given money to Some of the politicians who created this regressive Election law in Georgia. Can you talk about a moment in recent history where we've seen corporate activism lead to significant legislative change? I think the biggest Example of this was the 2017 tax cut. And the tax cut was literally for corporations. So you had political donors putting enormous pressure on Members of Congress and the corporate tax rate was cut significantly. Another example is bathroom bills and so by bathroom bills. These are Laws at the state level that direct individuals to only use the bathroom of the gender of their birth. And one of these bathroom bills was passed in North Carolina. The end see double a pulled championship games from North North Carolina. And that got AH lot of attention and and North Carolina. Rolled back that bathroom, Phil. We've been hearing a lot, especially in the last year about corporate responsibility, so to speak. What you going to be looking for going forward to see whether this is Real or not, well, one of the things that we saw after the riots at the Capitol on January 6th. Woz corporations deciding to pull back corporate PAC money from the Republicans who objected to The electoral college votes for Joe Biden. But now there is pressure from the U. S Chamber of Commerce, which is one of the largest trade associations in America. It's also one of the largest Dark money, political spenders in America, and they're urging their members to get back in the political spending game. So one of the things that I will look at After Georgia and after the riots on January, 6th is Do any of these corporations actually changed their political spending behavior. Ciara Torres Spellissy is a professor of law at Stetson University in Gulf Port Florida. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. There is a new attempt to bring the U. S and Iran back to the 2015 nuclear deal with one The Trump administration left in direct talks are set to begin in Vienna next Tuesday.
Oath Keeper Coordinated With Proud Boys Before Washington DC Capital Riot
"News. 2300 National Guard troops have arrived in Washington, D. C. This comes after the mission to protect the capital following the riot was extended another two months as federal prosecutors piece together what happened on January 6th. They now believe that two groups conspired together. Prosecutors argued Kelly Meg's should not be released ahead of trial, writing in court documents that the member of the oath Keeper militia group conspired with the proud boys ahead of the capital riot. They submitted Facebook messages, they say, Meg's wrote, announcing he'd organized an alliance with the oath keepers, Florida three percenters and proud boys to quote work together to shut this expletive down. And another message. He called the proud boys a force multiplier and wrote that he believed President Trump wanted them to make it wild at the Capitol. Prosecutors allege that Meg's wanted to stop the certification of the electoral college vote and was prepared to use violence if
What the Second Amendment really meant to the Founders
"You know, in my intro and then earlier segment early in the show I was talking about The primary purpose of the Second Amendment, according to the founding fathers, and I said My piece told listeners what I thought that the primary purpose of the Second Amendment, according to people like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, What is in Mark Walters Mind the primary purpose. Of the Second Amendment. According to the phone and fathers. I love this because it's so provocative and I love to be provocative, and I'm gonna answer that with a question. Here's my question to you. We just talked about what Biden wants to do. Virginia the first time the Democrats took power in Virginia, for example, in 25 years. What's the first thing they did They chucked 12 Gun control bills down there. People throw up. Eight of them passing was signed into law. Joe Biden's first deal is gun control. I'm gonna answer the purpose of our founding fathers in the second Amendment with this question to you. What is it about their communist Marxist socialist masquerading his former Democrat agenda that requires you to be disarmed? Yeah. Very good point. And it would appear that great minds think alike because well, you know, we are way have Yeah, Me and George were in the world. Good company together. Way. Agree with each other. Martha. I guess the question is You know what is going to happen now? I mean, I look at it. It's like Texas that are actively talking about succession. Oh, yeah. You know, California's got bills by others, three different deals. They want to split that stable. You know, he was a really simple, quick Virginia. You know, I spent many a graduated college in Virginia. Lots of friends there lived in three different cities in Virginia know it well. It's a gun toting gun, love and freedom, love and bright red State. You've got two counties up there that control everything included with Richmond. The rest of the state is bright red. Why don't we have any electoral college at the state level? Okay? Yeah, Which would be which would kind of solve these problems. Where you New York State's a prime example. You get rid of that cess pool in Manhattan in the boroughs and New York State is a freedom loving, bright red state. Upstate New York's bright red Yep. Okay? Absolutely, you know, and you get rid of I mean term limits. Term limits scared me a little bit on Lee, because, well, what happens with term limits is you get the next term. Someone knows that's there. They could do anything they want. They're no longer held accountable to the voters that they don't have to hope if voters are hold them accountable. You know that old So what We do have term limits. We have elections. That's true, But they turn out the way they do in states like New York and California. Because we've got to a point. We have two or three cities controlling the rest of the state that needs to be looked at. Yeah, Georgia just gave you two of the worst senators in this country's history. And this is a bright red state. That isn't gonna be blue anytime soon. You look at the legislative makeup in the state and their redistricting coming up in July after this legislative session, you want to see Democrat controlled the state level the state Don't think of the rest of my life. And yet we just handed you too. The bluest worst of the worst senators, not because any red counties flipped blue. Nothing did They were able to siphon off more votes in two counties not being the cabin Fulton County And their six swing states. Basically, that have to fix their election systems of the way they do things in Michigan and Georgia. There's two of them right there, but nobody knew George was one of these states until that, you know, action. You see, that's why that's why people George, I would have never Guest. I wish Now, I will say this that we've been watching Stacey Abrams here for the last two years. Prior to the election in November. We all knew what she was up to. And here's the thing. I watched her vote on local news that night. Now here she is a resident of Atlanta. Hmm. And here she is. Dropping off an absentee ballot in a little mailbox been in downtown Atlanta. What? Why are you standing in line like the rest of us? Okay. That's where fraud comes from. Yeah, no signature verifications. Everybody gets mailed about it and they could go drop it in. No, no, no. No. Where I come from absentee ballots are for people like you who are serving their country overseas that need an absentee ballot Kids in college that can't make it back to their district to vote. My mom and dad who might be in Florida, and they're Georgia residents because they're they're from that's an absentee ballot. So those those issues are being addressed. Those issues are being addressed. They cut all ties to our gun rights, By the way, Yeah, and we'll have to address them on a different show because we are of time here, Mark.
"electoral college" Discussed on Republic Keeper - with Brian O'Kelly
"Mail in ballots no provision made for dropbox or curing of ballots. Seven weeks before the twenty twenty general election the pennsylvania supreme court overstepped their bounds by ruling. That mail in ballots could be receiving counted up to three days later. ballots mailed without a postmark would be counted signatures on mail in imbalance would not need to be verified so This is their letter right. And so then Let's see it continues Let's see i gotta get this bigger guys. I can't see sorry advocacy. You probably can't either so of state. Kathy book var also usurped legislative authority by allowing for proliferation of unsecured dropbox in key democratic on the day before the election encourage some counties not all to notify party in candidate. Representatives of mail in voters whose ballots contain disqualifying defects and allowing them to cure these defects in addition to these inconsistencies. Certified republican poll-watchers in philadelphia where prohibited from overseeing the canvassing ballots after court order. These poets should be allowed to observe. They were corralled so far from the canvassing a ballots that they could not view the activities requests from legislators for independent investigations have been ignored by the administration. Do these inconsistent questionable activities. We believe that the pennsylvania election results should not have been certified by our secretary of state. Jane members we asked for more time given the fact that the us supreme court is to hear trump versus book bar in the coming days. We ask that you delay certification of the electoral college to allow due process as we pursue election integrity in our commonwealth. So that is the Members of the penalty pennsylvania's senate Are requesting of mitch. Mcconnell and kevin mccarthy delay certifying pennsylvania until after the supreme court. Here's the case. And after they can conduct an investigation. The members of the arizona senate sent a similar letter so did members of georgia and wisconsin. And so they have all of these. Swing states have Members of the legislature. Who are saying. Hey Constitution gives the authority to us. We took the authority made a definition for how it's supposed to work and these guys changed without asking us and because of that we don't want you to use the way they did it and Vice president pence is supposed to be able to say. Yeah yeah you know what the constitution says the electors come from the legislature. So i'm not gonna read recognize these ones that come from the Secretaries of state now. Who knows if that's going to happen but that is That is what is the theory on the on the book here so quick break and i will be back with a couple.
"electoral college" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Looked for a time earlier today. Like things could get ugly in michigan. The state closed its house and senate office buildings over what they said were credible threats of violence during today's electoral college meeting and then republican state representative gary isan suggested he and other republicans would disrupt the electoral college vote. He also predicted there. Would be violence prompting this. Can you assure me that this is going to be a safe day in in lansing. Nobody's gonna get hurt no. I don't know what we're doing. Today is chartered. Here's it been done after. Gary isan made those comments michigan. Republican legislative leaders pulled him from his committee assignments. Meanwhile the scene in lansing was thankfully ultimately cau- just a dozen or so pro-trump protesters showing up outside the capitol a chilly day and when he grow group of republican electors tried to enter that building michigan state. Police turn them away. Half of those call was much an often from holding or ignore taking part of your process. Anybody else thank ben check in inside the democratic electors about the people's business where they elected joe biden. Starting barnes. has the tally been completed. Yes lieutenant governor. The elected unanimously cast. Sixteen votes for joseph r biden. I'm joined now by michigan's democratic secretary of state johnson benson earlier. This month had her home surrounded by angry trump supporters. Some of them harmed who falsely accused her of allowing the election to be stolen. But start secretary of state with your your top line on. Today i was. I was a bit worried when i saw the news about closing the house and the senate but it seemed like things went smoothly. How do you feel went today. I think it was a great day for democracy. Chris was really a reflection of all the work that went into this election to ensure that we were able to have a high turnout election <hes>. In the midst of the pandemic all the work that's happened. Since the polls closed on november third to ensure the votes were counted accurately it securely and really this was the the end result of a long and winding road that every step of the way we work to make sure that the voters well was heard and democracy was protected. We have seen now. Obviously there were arrests of a number of individuals who have been charged with allegedly plotting the kidnapping or execution of the democratic governor. Gretchen whitmer <hes>. You had people outside of your house <hes>. Some of them armed a protesting. There were concerned today in arizona. As i understand it where the leading of the electors was moved to an undisclosed location. What does it do to democratic governance and democracy when this sort of threat of violence hangs over the activities of folks. What you know. I started my career in the south investigating and hate crimes all around the country and was really instilled there with the strong sense in an acute awareness of just how much oftentimes does have to be preserved in the potential for violence that that could engender to ensure that democracy does prevail. And so that's never been lost on me and many of us including my friends secretary hobson in arizona. And it's something that we're actually acutely aware rows and willing to with to endure in order to ensure that our democracy is protected. A lot of people have said to me this year. Did you really sign up for this and my response is absolutely. I absolutely signed up to put everything on the line to protect the will of the people to protect our democracy. None of us of course predicted all of the turns of events that have occurred since the polls closed <hes>. But that said we're ready and will continue to be ready. We'll continue to stay safe to ensure that our democracy and turn is also safe. Something i've seen a in many states across the nation in reaction is a real circular logic from republicans in which after touting or tolerating or even endorsing these blue to chris conspiracy theories now pointing and saying well people. Are you know. There's a lot of concern and using that as a predicate for restrictions on voting. Well we're gonna have to shutdown mail in voting. Well we're gonna have to take another look at this. Well we're gonna have to do voter. Id and signature matching all these things. How much you seen that michigan. Do you think there's going to be a battle now about ballot access. The uses these conspiracies as a kind of weaponized tool. Yeah sure it again. That's also what we've seen. Throughout the history of our democracy people create a fire and then create an idea of what needs to put that fire out and often times. Election administrators are stuck in the middle and that voters are are stuck in the middle. When i believe needs to happen is we need to one come together and actually listen to each other and try to heal this. Divide right now but to do so. On the basis of facts and data and truth we all have to be working from the same set of facts here. Facts and truth have actually been unequivocal undeniable throughout this entire process. We had a high turnout election michigan. Five point five million people voted in the midst of the pandemic. It was secure. The results were accurate. So we can start from there. We can find ways to improve the process moving forward making data driven decisions but we also have to do is acknowledge the impact of the conspiracy theories in false information that has been spread by many actors throughout this process and correct that before trying to solve for any potential issues. Moving forward right michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson. Thank you so much for being with me.
"electoral college" Discussed on WLS-AM 890
"You haven't seen the last of him, John. I think that's I think that's the understatement of the afternoon. All right, well, have a good I'll talk to you next Monday, but I hope you're enjoying your holiday season. Then I'm sorry. I'm not gonna be a because I used to remember I used to come into your way. You have to remember you have the Uh, the kids that were you know the kids, huh? Yeah. That was a lot of fun. I miss those days. Me, too. Me too. Steve Moore. Thank you, sir. Okay. John. Thank President Donald Trump has no higher priority. In the health safety and well being of the American people. Hell, it's how it's gotta squeeze, Joe, and he's been very patient in Dallas up on 312591 89 100, Joe. Welcome to the Big 89. Go ahead, sir. Hey, Big John. Yeah. The Duke of Chicago. Love you, John. Thank you, John. Yeah? Yeah. My. My main thing is that you have 74 million people that are disgruntled right now. Over the electoral college, you know, on the voting machines were not audited on it Just You know, kind of rubs us the wrong way. Now I get that I get that I get that There's yes, you confined. There was a mistake's. There's what stakes in every election. I don't mean to cut you off your job, but I have to because of the time. Was John Dempsey gets incensed if we're late for the six o'clock in particular six o'clock news very important. Oh, yeah, I'm moving along, but you can find instances of problems in every district. Every county. I get that That's fine, but there's clearly no evidence of widespread fraud. I think people for their own purposes, including the president of states, just drumming this up for their own purposes. Similarly, I told my liberal Democratic friends four years ago while the Russians tried to influence the election, there was no 0.0 conclusive evidence that they overturned or changed one. Vote. So you know when you get disappointed, you reach out there for whatever you confined, but you give another shot. I mean, Trump's not going away, and that style of politics is here to stay. You'll get a chance in two years and maybe four years so Hang in there. It's not the end of the world that Biden is not an existential threat. Three public Norma's Donald Trump, this is how it's supposed to work. All we're doing is exercising our electoral college muscles this year. Thank you, Joe Time now for an update into the newsroom we go. Here comes John Dempsey. Wherever you go take us with you del Know the tune in ap or listen online at wls am calm. This is 8 90. W L S am Chicago. 94 7 W. L S FM HD to Chicago, A cumulus station. Biden secures victory in the Electoral College News.
"electoral college" Discussed on The Takeaway
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"electoral college" Discussed on The How in the World Podcast
"That's just how it is folks. Well except in maine and nebraska. These two states have gone rogue and don't allocate their electoral votes to the candidate who won the popular vote. Instead they give two votes to the candidate who won the popular vote and the remainder are awarded based on which candidate received the most in each of their districts. So basically it's like. Each district gets an electoral vote right. Electoral college members also are chosen based on their political party with one slate selected per party so when a candidate wins the most votes in their state. Again with the exception of maine and nebraska. The electoral college slate for that candidates political party are the members who will officially vote in december. Now there can be what's called a faithless elector although most states have lost preventing this a faithless elector is basically an electoral college member who votes against the party. He or she promised to vote for. Now this can get really sketchy but thankfully and knock on wood. Yeah these have never changed the outcome of an election in two thousand sixteen there were actually seven of these faithless electors but all of them voted for a third party candidate so it didn't change the outcome of the election at all and by the way when we talk about a slate selected per party. We mean that there are for as many electoral college members. Is that state perceives. They've selected safe. It's republican they've selected that number of republican electoral college members for the republican party and the democrats have selected that number of democratic electoral college members. So whichever candidate wins the popular vote. That party's list of members. Those are the electoral college math. Those are called asleep so anyway. There's been some controversy lately regarding popular vote versus electoral vote and how it affects election outcomes. There have been five times in our nation's history where the winner of the popular vote has not also secured the most electoral votes most notably. This occurred in two thousand. With the election of george w bush and in two thousand sixteen with the election of donald j trump. This is inspired some folks to try to overturn our election system and move toward a popular vote. The electoral college system tends to favor. Republicans who usually get the more rural vote and therefore the electoral votes from though states while the popular vote systems favors democrats who rely more on the urban heavily populated city voters. All of this boils down to one thing. Your vote matters whether you're part of the popular vote fan club or the electoral vote fan club. Your vote is counted and it matters and having spent the last two working with and on behalf of people who don't have that privilege. I am very serious about voting. It is an honor and it is a privilege and you dare tell me that it doesn't matter or that you didn't vote. She serious folks. I am very serious. But i'm also serious about this. If you like our podcast tell your friends about us and leave us. A five star review. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and send us an idea for an upcoming episode our website. Www dot how in the world podcast dot.
"electoral college" Discussed on The How in the World Podcast
"This week's episode answers the question. How in the world does the electoral college pick our president. You're listening to the how in the world podcast we're we unravel some of the planet's most perplexing questions in just about ten minutes nope we're not scientists or scholars. We're just normal people who like to figure things out. Sometimes inspiring sometimes informative. Our topics are always fascinating hosted by me mark johnson and my lovely wife me holly johnson. We do the research so you don't have to well. Today is thursday november fifth twenty twenty. And it's been a quiet couple of days around here in the. Us assure was there was something on tv to incessantly. Watch and keep checking my phone about <hes>. What could that possibly be wrong. Oh how about the twenty twenty elections. It's been a wild couple of days folks in it. Looks like it could be wild for a bit longer. So let's all practice are deep breathing and relaxation methods together. Bring your popcorn as the time that we're recording this. I believe the elections come down to maybe four states that haven't yet counted all of their votes but once they're done it's still not over no not even close because once all the votes are counted will know what the results of the popular vote are. But we won't officially know yet. Who won this election. And that's because not only will there be a ton of lawsuits than we unto way through but also because we don't elect our president based on the popular. Vote like you would in the classroom election elementary school. We use the electoral college. And i've always been a little foggy about the electoral college. So i'm glad recovering this today because it forced me to dig deeper really kind of learn about it or you could have just asked your wife who by the way is a political scientist by education. You know yeah. I've been told that. Before so i get a little invested in presidential elections and the preceding debates and political discussion. So what it's fascinating and also frustrating and maddening and kinda stupid also but so fascinating the strategy. He's not even close anyway. Let's talk about the electoral college. Yup that's why we're here. So let's do it and by the way we're going to refrain from any partisan right discussion. This is just about the electoral college. You won't know who we voted for. So for starters you know how annoying all of those census ads and like postcard mailers and mail and information and more ads and everything was reminding us. How important is that we fill out our census form so that everyone is counted yet. And i remember seeing a ton about the census recently. But i believe you filled out the form. Since you're our families designated form filler outer am. I joined it because again i am a political scientist so data and surveys and stuff like that matters anyway. The census is used to determine a lot of things most notably funding to your state for certain services. So if you have a disproportionate number of school aged kids for example it tells the. Us government that you'll need a disproportionate amount of funding for schools. I mean that's really dumbing. It down but funding is a biggie. And doesn't also tell you how many representatives you'll get in the. Us house it does so every state gets two senators so there are a total of one hundred senators in the us senate but representatives are totally different because their allocated based on the census count. Yes they are. There's always four hundred and thirty five of them. No more no less. But how they're allocated can change. So if everyone emptied out of california which currently has fifty three districts and therefore fifty-three representatives and moved to wyoming which currently has just one representative. Those numbers would turn on their head. And by the way. Alaska delaware montana and north and south dakota and also vermont have just one representative yes and there are also some non voting delegates in the hell. They can do everything. The voting members can do except vote. Hence the name right. They can introduce bills and participate in committees <hes>. Currently there is a delegate representing washington. Dc as well as one each for puerto rico. American samoa guam the northern mariana islands. And the us virgin islands. They're also talking about adding a delegate from the cherokee nation and from the choctaw nation which is super cool. Yeah it really is. And the senate and house together are called congress and there are a total of five hundred thirty five members of congress. So that's that hundred senators and the four hundred and thirty five representatives. Each state has the same number of electoral college votes. That they have congressmen or women which means each state has a minimum of three electoral college members. Two senators one representative three so for the the smaller less populated states. They're still going to have three electoral college members.
"electoral college" Discussed on Coronavirus Daily
"And republicans. Who don't it did not used to be and you used to be able to get a majority in both major parties. Who would say get rid of the electoral college. Npr political editor. Ron elving points out that. In the last five presidential elections there have been two races won by a republican who lost the popular vote. We talked about what that means for. How candidates campaign and whether things could change so this whole idea of winning the popular vote but losing the election. It's not that unusual right. I mean hillary clinton wasn't the first candidate that happened to know it happened in two thousand and two al gore. He was a democrat. Who won about a half. A million more votes nationally in the popular vote than george w bush. It also happened three times in the eighteen hundreds but most people are more focused on two thousand. What does it mean for how they campaign. We're so used to the red and blue state battle right But what does that mean when they're actually on debate stages on the campaign trail. It changes the issues that are likely to be talked about so for example and fracking. Where a big part of the debates fracking is a means by which to get a more oil and gas out of the ground than we could get before but it has environmental implications so it is an important issue but not to most people in the country. Now i remember like there was a lot of google searches the day after the debate because people are sort of like. Why are we talking about this right now. Exactly and actually. The reason is a handful of counties in western pennsylvania. Were fracking is a part of the employment base if california were in play audio. I suspect we'll be hearing a lot. More from the candidates about wildfires and air quality after hearing about that push for a change to the constitution in nineteen sixty eight. Is there any other series effort to get rid of the electoral college now. I mean i hear a lot of activists talking about it. The most organized effort is called the national popular vote interstate compact each state. That's agreed to the compact has pledged its electoral college votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote. Nationwide than the voting that one st now. The state's in compact at this point have a little less than two hundred electoral college votes. But they need two hundred seventy two actually control the election and they still don't have any states. We would call red republican voting states. There's also the prospect of more states deciding to divide their electoral vote by congressional districts rather than making it winner-take-all maine and nebraska. Already do this. And we have seen them. Divide some of their electoral vote in recent elections. And it could happen again this year. In fact that's why president trump went campaigning. In omaha in the last week of the campaign. Is there any chance. It'd be movement on these ideas before the next election short answer it depends on what happens in this presidential election if.
"electoral college" Discussed on Everything Everywhere Daily
"Odd thing is when Arizona and New Mexico were admitted the house increased by two age But the Senate increased by 4 and when Alaska and why were admitted in the fifties the Senate again increased by 4 and the Houston increase at all since 1911. The population of the United States has tripled but the size of the House of Representatives hasn't budged if you can increase the size of house. It dilutes the strength of senate in Electoral College voting currently. The United States has far in a way more people represented by a single legislator than any country in the world. This is directly result of not increasing the size of the house with population growth. There are two major ideas for increasing the size of the house. The first is called the Wyoming rule this would set the number of people that any member of the House represents to be equal to the size of the smallest state today. That would be Wyoming under the Wyoming rule after the 2010 census. The house would have 547 members while this rule sounds fair and appealing there's one big problem with it over the last hundred years wages. The population has tripled the size of house would have actually shrunk this is because the ratio of the population of the largest state to the smallest state has actually gone down in Nineteen Hundred. The largest state New York was 111 times bigger than the smallest state Nevada today, California is only sixty six times bigger than Wyoming and that ratio keeps going down shrinking the size of house with respect to population growth doesn't really make a lot of sense. The other proposal is the cube root rule. This is based on the fact that many legislators around the world. Tend to have sizes that approximate the cube root of the population as the population increases the size of legislature increases, but at a slower rate under the cube root rule there would be 693 members of Congress or 593 members of the house. Most of the new Representatives would go to larger States and correspondingly. They would get more electoral votes the small stage still only have one representative the nice part about this plan is that would be super simple to implement would not require a constitutional amendment and you wouldn't have to redraw the maps and it would result in more class representation across the board for everyone all the time. So I'd say if you'd want to change the Electoral College the easiest way is to just change the size of the House Representatives. Before I close the show I should talk about the issue of faithless electors because you actually vote for electors and not the president. There isn't anything really stopping an elector from deviating from the candidate. They took a vote for this happens quite frequently, but it has yet to affect the outcome of an election faithless electors do allow for some flexibility. For example, in 1872. One of the two mil Raha died four days after the general election took.
"electoral college" Discussed on Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates
"Everybody I'm John Dan host and moderator of intelligence squared. Us debates for this episode. I got online with four debaters. Who argued over this resolution? The Electoral College has outlived. Its usefulness. This was a debate that we had originally planned to host with our partners at northwestern law school in Chicago. We were GONNA do it at the law school. Obviously that did not happen. What did happen was that we had instead of a great debate. Digitally has turned out to be incredibly timely topic. So let's get to it the Electoral College. It's this unique construct of indirect democracy that well. It's it's not a college as the term is commonly used but it sure is electoral in that its members who are currently maxed out at five hundred thirty eight have been the actual electors of every president we've ever had since we've had a constitution even those five times in our history when the popular vote went to someone else in recent memory that happened in the two thousand election happened in the two thousand sixteen election. So what were the founders thinking? That's a question that right now. The Supreme Court is considering in an electoral college case but why did the founders think? The Electoral College was needed. And what good has come of it and also what harm has come of it. Well in these questions we've been thinking. They're the makings of a debate. So we had it for really really good debaters said yes or no to this statement. The Electoral College has outlived. Its usefulness as always Our debate goes three rounds and our audience tuning it online voted to decide our winner. But you can still weigh in on this when yourself if you're just listening for the first time to this debate we are taking votes right now at Iq to us dot org that's q the number two US dot org. If you go there you can cast your first vote before you hear the arguments you can vote for or against or undecided on the resolution. You know what? I'll give you a test to do that right now. I'll wait for you. Remember you cast votes one now in one after you've heard the argument and it's the team that changes the most mind. Who will be our winner? So go do that. I'll wait for you. So let's meet our debaters. I up to speak for the resolution. The Electoral College has outlived. Its usefulness. Jim Bowie Jim. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me Djamil. You are in New York Times columnist and political analyst for CBS News. You are also an alumnus of our series. So it's great to have you back also arguing on your team for the resolution. I want to say hello to kate. Shaw Kate. Welcome to intelligence squared. He John Thanks so much for having me. And you're a professor at the Cardozo School of law and Co Director of the floor Shurmur Center for Constitutional Democracy. You're also a host of the very popular law. Podcast strict scrutiny. So that's the team arguing for the resolution. The Electoral College has outlived. Its usefulness. Now let's meet the team arguing against that very low resolution. I let's say hello to Tara Tara. Welcome to intelligence squared. It's great to have you with us on one folks to know that you are the author of a lot of books about the electoral college including why we need the Electoral College. You're also a former lawyer and editor of the Texas Review of law and politics and your partner. I WANNA welcome also to intelligence squared Bradley Smith. Bradley Hi Welcome to intelligence squared tie. Thanks John Pleasure to be here and you are a professor at Capital University Law School and you have served as Commissioner Vice Chairman and Chairman of the Federal Election Commission welcome. I want everybody to know that was always our debate will go in three rounds and then you those folks out in the world are online audience. Get to vote to decide who the winner is all right. I think we are ready to move. Onto round one opening statements from each debater and turn those statements will be formed. It's each our resolution is the electoral college has outlived its usefulness. And here I up to speak for that Resolution Jamal Buoy columnist for the New York Times. Djamil your time starts right now. I'm going to begin with a discussion of how we got to the Electoral College in the first place and the think he thing I want everyone to understand. Is that the electoral college that we have the one we will use. November's election is that not actually the one that was ratified in seventeen. Eighty eight gone. Electoral College fell out of use quickly. What we have is essentially an extra constitutional mechanism to deal with the exegesis of politics as they've developed from the beginning of the constitutional convention and specifically when they began thinking about the national executive the delegates for trying to balance four simply four competing things from came to Hal. Choose and national executive They wanted a voice for the People. They wanted a fair representation for slave states They wanted independence from the legislature in. May had to deal the very simple question of. How do you actually choose national executive? In a big large diverse country they cycled through a few things Several delegates including teams Madison Propose Popular Election Others propose choosing from Congress But by the time They came to a conclusion which was at the very last minute the convention. They decided they would do this. Elector based system that each state would choose. Electors would gather together as a kind of congress of it's filtered through candidates They would the majority whoever won the majority of electors would become president Sprout Vice President and if there was no winner at to the house would choose on the basis of the delegations. No one was really entirely satisfied with this when they came to the conclusion but everyone expected more or less at the president of the Convention George Washington would become the first chief executive and this was a a straightforward way to get George Washington took become President United States. No one was really too worried about it. There is debate over During the revocation debates. But it wasn't a big sticking point. No one was too worried about mob rule in these discussions. They weren't worried about excessive democracy. Usually when the founders talked about democracy they were talking but a Fenian style. 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"electoral college" Discussed on Over The Edge
"Every voice every lifestyle style in our country which is very diverse The life of a of a rancher in Montana is far different than the lies of an investment Baker in Chicago so so it is essential to protect the overall health democracy NC Central to protect Different points of views neck. I would definitely agree with you on a lot. Part of what you just said and I was very surprised that the James Madison quote as well as something that came up in my research. Now I'm GONNA give you a couple of the cons to the electoral college and you can tell me what you think of those. All right sounds good all right so the one and this is I think the biggest one for a lot of people is. Let's take the Democrat in Alabama Okay Alabama obviously a majority of mainly red state throughout history. The the main argument against the electoral college is that there's no point in that person voting because pretty much no matter what that state will be read it and therefore that person's voice is not heard and their vote in quotation marks does not count well in that situation. There's always going to be minority rights based on the overall perspective of the citizens of Alabama. Right the reality that most of them face yes so say there is a Democrat Democrat. And I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats in the state of Alabama. It's not that their voice voice isn't heard playing heard plenty open to campaign for Democrats entrain push the state blew. You can take California. California was once a red states shifted. Blue there's always political shifts but it's all about perspective writes yeah so Republican ideals and legislation oftentimes in the view of someone from Alabama's positives Yes so you're always gonNA shit right so they're open an open campaign their opener try naked Shasta but unfortunately there's always going to be a minority. Yeah okay that's that's a that's definitely affair response Another another question. I'm going to ask you and this is about something that I believe. Two or three states have implemented. I Know Nevada is one of them is where they are allowed to split up the votes in the electoral college based on kind of the population of voters. That voted one way or another. How do you feel about that Nick Right? I think it's up to each state. I don't think it's a bad idea. The votes Proportional to the overall will a number of each party got. I think it's honestly my opinion. A probably a good idea because I think that does promote even more democracy. Yes Without without you can without leaving it completely up to the popular vote right. I think that is a great solution. It's a hybrid solution to getting rid of IT and keeping it. Yeah the essential foundation the fathers in there for for no reason. They want the population to vote for the presidency in a whole because As we scribe earlier there's James Madison's co-authors a tyranny of the majority you don't want majority To to crush the minority right and that seems to be in an ideal with the Democrats somewhat confusing to me that would be against the Electoral College. My feeling is search butthurt because Hillary definitely only became a very controversial topic after the election and honestly this. This is one of the most interesting topics to me Not at first glance. I thought this was actually going to you. Want a kind of a more boring episode. But after I did some research I was of the opinion that the electoral college was not the best. But after I had looked into James Madison's Madison's original purpose for it does I do believe it still applies today. Contrary to what a lot of people say right and if you take look what the what the outcome would have been say. Hillary ones I mean you look at the electoral map. The majority of the country geographically. Yes right he they wrote it. They voted for Republicans because that is the viewpoint of the majority of America. Yes as we discussed earlier New York California Texas also be the only three states that would matter because they account for the rest of the population once-over yeah So if you're talking about someone vote in state not mattering get rid of the Electoral College College. Because then the vote from Wisconsin legitimately wouldn't matter I think as as as much as even it not mattering as the whole point. I think I think the most important part of democracy is having an informed voter And I think of politicians are advertising. Aren't campaigning aren't you. Know setting up things in these smaller swing states where you know where the factory worker where the farmer are. And they can't get a information easily about that. I think democracy is a whole kind of sinks. Thinks I agree with that. Yep most definitely okay. Well Nick do you have any other closing statements. You like to make our questions for me or the or the podcast hot cast or the viewers you know. Feel free to feel free to shot whatever you want now. Well my personal opinion is I think that our generation I I would think that this podcast is targeted towards The the JEN's ears and maybe similar death but I think overall we're shifting more right. I think the Democratic Party exist today especially when it comes to electoral college and all these other controversial issues. They've lost most of the intelligent argument behind what they have to say. So I think it's it's is important. I think this is a great way is a great way of promoting intellectual arguments rather than just pointing and yelling at each other and that. That's honestly the the the whole reason I set this up. I feel I'm on college. I'm at the University of Utah Right now in Salt Lake City and that was the biggest thing for me. I feel like these topics especially when you get into Even spicier one electoral college is pretty. PG But you talk about abortion you talked about gender gun laws and it is extremely difficult. A difficult sorry to find people that you can have a civil conversation with and I think that's why this is so important as for these smart college kids to be able to express how they feel with people in their generation right and I think both sides are to blame somewhat the but but overall it's you don't agree with me than you're wrong during the enemy which is against democracy in itself and it's become so polarized at that means Antifa these the white. Supremacist finding antiques on. There is white. Supremacist shirt but the left would lead you to believe that. All Republicans are white supremacists but my opinion but I would love to come back on and talk about one of the more passionate issues I have is is the long crisis huge especially student loan crisis I says yes but overall this is a great way of in of encouraging conversation. Yeah the I. I really appreciate that Nick and I will gladly have you on for another episode. It would you like to shout the automotive instagram that you got going on your instagram mid West Dot Motor Sports Midwest at motorsports sports on instagram heels. Pretty over there and giving you follow. Thank you very much nick. Have a good rest of your youth. You bye-bye yeah I think so. Oh yeah okay. Great Welcome back. We have our next guest with us on the over. The Edge podcast. I am joined by my cousin Evan. Evan and I understand that you don't have the strongest opinion on this topic so I guess fill me in on what your understanding of the electoral college is right now Yeah so I I kinda just Understand like the very busy concept of what it is and I don't really have like. That's it's kind of the extent of my knowledge. Like yeah okay. Just no system works states all have electoral votes. And whoever has the most electoral your votes wins the presidency. So right the two the two sides of this and we're not GONNA first sake of just kind of making it easier. We're not there's a hybrid of it that we talked about in the last interview about states where they can split the electoral vote. But for the sake of this we're GONNA keep it as either keeping or getting getting rid of it and so what I'll tell you and you can form your opinion kind of as I give you these facts if we keep the electoral college. What's good about it is it represents all the different lifestyles and states in America? Obviously the average lifestyle in Alabama is going to be very different from the average lifestyle L. in California. Okay right and if we get rid of the electoral college the problem with that is when you go to straight popular vote. Is that politicians. Asians then will only campaign in California Texas New York. That's were almost. Everybody lives a wide Jordy. So swing states like Wisconsin Iowa Ohio places like that factory workers things that Democrats and Republicans try really hard to win over no longer become relevant. Because they're not in the majority so and then but the con of the Electoral College and this is what a lot of people say when they say that they don't think their vote counts is when you're in a state so let's say California which is very blue at the moment if you're a Republican and you go out to the voting booth. You might think that your vote really doesn't matter because you know no matter what California's always going to be blue. And so your vote doesn't really matter in that sense if you have if theo state that's predominantly that that faction earn faction but you know that party so based off that and obviously there's a little more to it but based off that what's your initial Opinion of the Electoral College Right so I think just Like from the initial reaction to anything reason to get rid of it. I'd rather stay around for the like the main reason being you had mentioned that like would if it were to be Taken away it would kind of like make all states. That aren't like doc three or five most popular most populated states relevant And I think doing that would loyd affect more people's like mindset of not feeling like their vote matters more than if you were to keep it and the people that are within like states that are predominantly predominantly blue and. They're trying to vote. Red would like like those people are affected by how it is now. I mean that that's something that can kinda changed a lot easier than just like if you're going to get rid of the system altogether yeah So I don't know I think keeping his the way to go if you had to pick between the two but I mean whether or not you'd alter something about it is a exa different question. Yeah I'll just I'll fill you in on this one little thing. That's why I believe it's between two states Nevada's one of them is now what they do is they. They have the electoral college obviously. But they will they. They're they're allowed to split the vote based off the percentage of voters. That voted one way or another. So let's say here. Let me get to it. Nevada has six votes slit. Say It's fifty fifty. They're allowed to put three of their votes towards the Democrats and three of their votes towards the Republicans or one towards the independent dependent or whatever their state votes for and if they have fifty five percent they're allow you know they can do four into or you know whatever possibility comes up. Do you think that solution still keeps. The I. Guess the Ba- the basis of why we have the electoral college to include everyone there while I guess including more of the majority..
"electoral college" Discussed on Pat Gray Unleashed
"Like, you know, like, whatever I just want every two can't do you know, what the electoral college, even is what I'm referring to. I know. Got a really good Foley Paul team. Like, it's really good. Like, they have sorority. There were like people can get drunk and stuff and dance that dance. Yeah. Dance. I don't know if they play football at the electoral college, but they have could volleyball team volleyball team. It's like it's like really now. We're good. Okay. Thank whatever. Thanks see from keystone pig. I bet that one hundred percent of the people cheering the arrest of the electoral college also believed that voter ideas racist. No question. There's just no question about that voter ID is the dumbest issue that Democrats continued to get away with. I don't know how they do it because eighty percent of minorities are against them on it. And yet they keep plowing through. TJ top tweets. Liz, Elizabeth Warren wants every vote to count because the Democrats are the ones casting all the extra votes to conservative the runway FOCA haunt us was referring to ends with a cliff. Yeah. From conservatory lady is it me or does. Elizabeth Warren have the same arm flailing problem is sweat. Oh aurora. Boy, that's gonna be a tough two years to get through. I mean, there's gonna be some funny moments. But there's gonna be some really frustrating terrorizing. Terrifying. Horrific one well holes that come out that are going to send us into a shock. We've seen nothing yet. Because we thought everything was bad in two thousand eight when Obama was elected we thought it was bad in twelve when he won again, we thought it was bad in twenty sixteen look at it. Now, look at it. Now, they are making they are making the Marxist. Barack Obama look look like get -servative dible. Yeah. It looks like Barry Goldwater. Commies? Looks like berry Goldwater comparison. Barry, Goldwater ovo. That's awesome. That's pretty that's pretty extreme. Yeah. That's pretty extreme. Boy, how do they do it? And now Beto by the way is seems to gain traction. We we mentioned yesterday he in the first twenty four hours of his campaign recieves point one million dollars. An all time record for anybody beating the five point nine million that Bernie raised in one day and this from a guy who absolutely declared definitively. He wasn't going to run what last year. Maybe the year before. No, no it was last year. Can it was right after the election? Ted Cruz Nova somewhere between November and right? I will not run. It may be in December was it on. I think it was on sixty minutes wasn't find out the date on that. Well, he changed his mind, and he talked about why he here's what made him changes mind about running for president. But I'm curious about your family decision. Because after the sixty minutes interview, everybody has the right to change your mind. You were so adamant about I'm not going to do it. The family would not survive. You had me your youngest said, I would cry every day if you run for the presidency. So what changed for you and the family? Trumpeter the campaign that we ran over and after election night. The best decision was made by my wife, Amy where she said there are lots of people who are talking about us doing lots of different things. Let's instead of trying to figure that out right now just spend some time as a family. That's really what we did. I was able able to see just how resilient strong or kids were and as Amy I came closer to making decision. We didn't have a sit down conversation with their kids. They just bone terribly started offering advice dad, if you run this is how I think you should do it or hey, dad, you gotta run because of this or that issue. These conversations. Solicited. And I honestly did not expect that, but I think they're just as sensitive to what's going on in the world right now, they understand that they will inherit the consequences of the choices that you, and I make this moment, and they're counting on us to make the right one such garbage garbage in that. What do you mean spend time with your family? You went out on the road. Like, Jack Kerr wack. What are you talking about spend time with your family and.
"electoral college" Discussed on Pat Gray Unleashed
"Pat, gray. So Colorado has become the latest date and the first swing state to join a group pledging to elect presidents based on who wins the national popular vote trying desperately to navigate the electoral college. Yeah. And also trying to put their own citizens on the outs eleven other states and the district of Columbia have signed on to the national popular vote. Interstate compact. The end PV. I see which is so catchy. Just rolls right off the tongue the nip Vic died, the the the the the nip Vic it agreement that requires those states to select their presidential electors based on who wins the most individual votes nationwide, regardless of which candidate wins, the state is negatives. Yes, you're states vote house stupid. Governor Jared polis signed the Bill Friday bringing the state into the compact. It goes into effect only wants states with at least two hundred seventy electoral votes. The number needed to win the presidential election have signed on and Colorado brings the count now to a hundred eighty one they're less than a hundred away. I know I this at all. Two to seventy before. Now, they say to two hundred seventy before the twenty twenty election appears unlikely, but they had zero just a little while ago. Fatten Hon, this was fast my goodness because a couple years ago, and they some people talking about getting rid of college. It was just kind of in passing. But the Democrats are they're angry because in two thousand gore 2016. Yeah. And my goodness. Now, you've got that's a mainstream idea. You've got presidential candidates talking about this. Elizabeth Warren's ready to get rid of it. My gosh, they definitely have momentum. You're right that momentum with same sex marriage. And they got that done. They had momentum on marijuana. They've pretty much got that done that fights basically over. Now, something that you just I mean really believed impossible just to short time ago is really possible if not likely. People stand up for the constitution here. This is really dangerous stuff. Supporters say that concept would create a fairer basis for presidential elections by essentially going around the electoral college and creating system where each individual vote counts the same. It would also motivate potential voters in non swing states to come out to polls, they say, I don't see how when you know, your entire state's election may be voided by who wins the national vote. And so Democrats can now they don't have to focus on individual states for their voter fraud. They can just go anywhere. They just need to get that number higher anywhere. It again, if if the electoral college doesn't matter say goodbye to any campaigning in small states..
"electoral college" Discussed on FiveThirtyEight Politics
"And maybe if you also said that, hey, look, if no one wins a majority, then it's the plurality winner that matters. And you don't go to congress. There are a lot of things that they the to college represents we should say which parts of those systems. Do we not like okay mic you posited? The everyone thinks both. So what your argument for why? That is the electoral college is horrible. Because I think distorts won the incentives of campaigning in weird way and away from certain interests and towards other interests that has a skewing affect and to because you end up with weird scenarios where the person who wins the presence did. Didn't win the most votes, and that just seems weird to me and wrong. That's not a partisan statement. By the way, the the times it's happened recently has benefited Republicans. But like it could have happened the other way in two thousand four and the elect the advantage in the electoral college swings back and forth. But I'm not saying you have to get rid of the electoral college. I think if you made some of the tweets like like may mentioned, you could make it better and still have still have some of the benefit whatever those might be that that brings. But like American sense of democracy has gotten more democratic since the founders. Yeah, we have we used to we implemented direct election of senators that used to not be the case. And I think we should update our systems to to reflect that but I want to hear what neat s- Nate layout. You just said something right before Mike started talking about how the electoral college contains certain by season, we should lay out which ones we like. And don't like and what we're talking about here. Yeah. Doesn't give white people. More people are confusing. The criticisms of the Senate with the ones of the electoral college, right? I mean. Yeah. It slightly tips. The scale toward smaller states and smaller states population. Wise tend to be more rural and more white at least Naito college DC gets to vote which it does not in the Senate. Maybe it's not a bad thing to like allow a finding number of votes in each state, which are allocated. I would hope in the same way across state, by the way, if you look at like what happens if you do proportional in two thousand sixteen so if you ignore third party votes, then you'd wind up with Clinton two hundred and seventy Trump two hundred and sixty eight. Which are can you go back? But you've only you've basically only laid out one reason for the electoral college that it that it favours small states. What are the other ones? I'm not. I'm not saying it's a good thing..
"electoral college" Discussed on FiveThirtyEight Politics
"That's more materials is the winner. Take all by state, right? Like, I believe I've ever done. This math. If electoral votes have been assigned proportionately instead of winner take all into thousand sixteen then I believe Clinton would have won under an electoral college system. So it'd be like, okay. Trump beat Clinton fifty five forty five in Texas. So Trump get fifty five percent of Texas is electoral vote. Yes. What effect would you say the existence of the electoral college has on our presidential campaigns. Well, because the winner take all thing, it means that resources are disproportionately targeted to a state where winning by one vote would get you all the state's electoral votes. Right. That's the effect. It has. So it gives us swing states, basically. Yeah. Getting because California's a matter New York doesn't matter Texas. I didn't used to matter maybe a manage. Now. Texas's swing state you heard it here. First people, South Dakota to North Dakota's matter, Mike in more ways than one the electoral college is horrible. We all agree about that. Right. I yes, I think it's I think you're saying everyone agrees with that. I don't have any -pinion on this. I'm like Bush. I, but I do think people find it generally offensive because it seems such an impenetrable idea, and that a lot of Americans don't understand it don't understand how the how the votes are apportioned. I think you know, someone worded it. Well, when they said when you cast your vote for president you're actually electing a slate of voters who will then vote for president. That is. I mean, listen, we we are. We are not a, you know, a Theniet direct democracy, right? This is the form of democracy that we've chosen a Representative democracy. But there is something about it where it's the layers people dislike that they dislike that it is not an intuitive system. And the fact that you have all these random people called electors like you could reform that part. I look the other argument for the electoral college is that elections are administered by states. And also the question of who is eligible to vote, for example, some states very aggressively disenfranchise felons. Some do not some. Voting easier or harder. So maybe kind of fix a number of votes that each state is allowed to award is a worthwhile thing to do. You know, I know. But again, if you had like, a proportional electoral college system that would solve a lot of the problems. If you got rid of these weird actual people called electorates..
"electoral college" Discussed on FiveThirtyEight Politics
"All right. Are you guys ready for a fiery electoral college debate? It's going to defend the Republican candidate for president has only won the national popular vote once since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight that was of course, in two thousand four both Presidents Bush junior and Trump were initially elected by the electoral college while losing the popular vote. And now reformers largely Democrats are trying to sideline the electoral college, the national popular vote interstate compact last week, Colorado governor Jerry police said that he would sign the compact after it passed the state legislature and that would make Colorado the twelfth state to join the compact let's begin with the basics who wants to explain the concept of the national popular vote, compact states, get to decide how they wore their electoral college votes, if enough states decide to award all the votes to the winner of the national popular vote enough being states, consisting of two hundred seventy electoral votes. It would defacto give us a national popular vote election right now in twenty twenty if Jay Inslee wins, Colorado and beats Trump there, then Colorado's nine electoral votes would go to Jay Inslee. But if Trump wins the popular vote nationally, even if Inslee beats. Trump in Colorado. If this compact plays Colorado's nine electoral vote, go Trump and just to give you the numbers of where things are right now after Colorado joins they'll have one hundred eighty one electors about ninety electors off from what they actually need. And in case, you're curious about whether or not your state is in this compact. The members are New York, California, Hawaii Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington, probably not surprising. Does this seem bad like heavily states decided to get cute with overriding their voters preferences? Can I there's a history so electors who do not vote for the person who won their state are called faithless electors? And there have been a number of them throughout history. I looked this up twenty sixteen actually had the most in our history, the most faithless electors who went against basically voting for Donald Trump. So this is kind of like this. Like the statewide version of being a faithless elector in some ways. It was just imagining that, you know, the show cheaters I don't know if it's actually called cheaters, but where they catch people cheating on their significant others on camera. If they had like a version of that for faithless electors where it's like begin. Although to be fair the way that the electoral college is set up is each state gets to decide how it awards, it's elector. So for example, in a state like Maine, you don't have all the electors going to the person who won the state popular vote. So I don't think they would be considered faithless electors under this compact because the states changing its own walk. So what if a democrat wins Texas in twenty twenty and then the Texas legislature, which is still Republican dominated decides? We're going to have a vote in the state legislature to decide who gets sexist electoral votes. Whoops. It's not data work. It's President Trump. And as a result, President Trump has been reelected. There you go. I think you have a constitutional crisis. Yeah. I mean, this would be. Crisis. If this compact happened, it would be a constitutional crisis. It's a constitutional workaround. Right. It's it's a it's a workaround Bork around is a good time for. Yeah. All right. So we dove right in. But let's let's take a step back and ask a really basic question. Claire, why do we have the electoral college to begin with? It's a it's a compromise. The basic gist is the founding fathers wanted states with smaller voting populations which tended to be southern states because they had people who were in slave to couldn't vote those states were protesting the popular vote way of doing things because they said, listen people candidates from the big states. They're going to win every single time. And we're gonna get shut out. And so the short version is basically the electoral college is meant to be compromised that allows states with smaller populations to have more say in who's elected? And it was the other side of the coverage where people who just wanted congress to. Sorry. I mean, the fact that way omen gets three votes. When it should have one is pretty immaterial the part..
"electoral college" Discussed on FiveThirtyEight Politics
"Have you ever been you have been arrested who have been arrested? Have you been arrested Nate? Yep. We got we. I'm not telling us the only one who has been arrested. Hello. And welcome to the fivethirtyeight politics podcast. I'm Galen drew the field of contenders for the democratic nomination has grown again. Since the last time, we were all together this time by two people there various ways, I think to count. How big the field is now, but we'll put it somewhere between twelve and fourteen major Democrats. And that means also that it is time for some music. So here we go. Governor of Washington Jay Inslee announced on Friday that he's running for president. And I think we have to do the music again, you have the second one sleep. Here. We go. And also former governor of Colorado John Hickenlooper announced that he's running for president today on Monday and here with me to discuss these new candidates and much much more our editor in chief needs silver. Hey, how's it going good? I could actually name all the democratic candidates without looking we're not going to ask you to do that right now. There's too many. Heard. I believe you hope you could also with us is senior politics writer, clam alone. Hey, Claire, how are you what fresh L is this? How many listeners have we lost? So far. And managing editor Mike, Mike. How are you? I'm good fabulous. We have a big show today. In addition to the new candidates, we fivethirtyeight also recently launched are twenty twenty endorsement tracker. So we're going to introduce that and talk about how much endorsements and party influence of matter in the Trump era. We're also gonna talk about the merits of the electoral college last week, Colorado became the latest state to pass the national popular vote compact aimed at ditching the electoral college all together. Also, I think now is a nice time to remind people that we have a live show. If you wanna see us in person, go to five thirty eight dot com.
"electoral college" Discussed on The News & Why It Matters
"They turn them back. So then they can't then they haven't stepped on United States soil, and we we're not we're not we can't take them. It's just a disaster down there. All right back with more second. The two thousand sixteen election. I wrote this about the things I learned here's my observations for the election. Let me give you a number five. This is back in two thousand sixteen. I believe we posted this the day after the election. Do we have the texture for that? There. It is if the popular votes hold us. We know they did this will be the second time in five elections that Democrats have won the popular vote and lost. They're going to come after the electoral college and a lot of people on both sides will listen to them the argument for it is nuance and takes using your noodle. Not exactly America's strong suit at the moment. What show that I stand by completely? And it's looks like it's true. Now, we have today first day of democratic control one of the first things they had done of Incan introduced a Bill to overturn the electoral college. And while it seems like a crazy reached it's like one of those things where you're like changing the very fundamentals of elections. It's like one of those listen to sports radio and someone has a crazy football rule change. That's never going to happen. That's what it kind of feels like to me. The one reason that you do have a chance I think of it right now is that the only Republican supporter of getting rid of the electoral college that I've ever seen in my entire life is happens to be Donald Trump. And this is not one of those things where Donald Trump in two thousand. When he was running out this a Reform Party candidate said it he saying now he said after his win he won the electoral college, of course, and lost the popular vote though. And this is a valid point from him. If it was a popular vote contest, I would have gone after the popular vote that someone who was doing here, which is true and Hillary should have learned about that one. But he supports this. And I don't know that he could get a lot of Republicans on the side. But if the Democrats support it, and he can convince twenty loyalists in the Senate to come along with them. There's a chance that you could do something. Now, I don't know procedurally if you could actually overturn it by just passing a law, you may need to do more than that. I mean, this is a constitutional amendment. I would think so. But again, who cares about the constitution these days? It doesn't seem like anybody. Does maybe the supreme court would say that you had to do more. But they are coming after they want this. Because if you're a democrat, and you have to campaign all over I wa and you know, all all over Michigan. In Georgia, and you're bouncing all over the country. Here you go to Los Angeles. Did you basically set up camp? And you're and you're doing southern California just try to win as many votes at a southern California as you can they will their population of voters are all together and cities. So it's fantastic for them. They will know how to explain this. Well, and I think that's why they're going after if you want north and South Dakota to never matter again ever in a national election, get rid of the electoral college, and that's what will happen and the representatives of those states should be yelling at the top of their lungs right now because you will never see a presidential candidate in Fargo North Dakota ever again Helena, Montana. Never again, good luck this this..