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Fresh update on "electoral college" discussed on NBC Meet the Press
"Finally said leave the white house if he loses the electoral college vote. But is he planning returned and twenty twenty four and was a welcome back. The panel is with us. Nbc news capitol hill correspondent casey hunt hugh hewitt host the salem radio network. Okay henderson news. Director of the radio iowa networking michael. Eric dyson of vanderbilt university. Author of longtime coming reckoning with race in america president trump folks is still insisting that he won the election however which of course he did and that joe being joe biden did not win eighty million votes. He has and that. The election was somehow marred by massive fraud. It was not but last week. He did seem to put to rest the idea that he would refuse to leave the white house on january twentieth. Take a listen.
Trump "can't say" if he'll concede to Joe Biden
"For the first time in weeks, President Trump answered questions about the election, his ongoing efforts to overturn it and some what ifs like would he concede to Joe Biden if the electoral college vote goes for Mr Biden? No, I can't say that it all I think it's Zapata's ability. He also told questioners he certainly would leave the White House if Mr Biden is declared president by the electors, But Mr Trump also continued claims of massive fraud of which there has been Unproven in court.
Fresh update on "electoral college" discussed on KNX Programming
"Wow! A beacon of hope in humanity. I'm so excited that I'm not getting any of the sleep I normally don't get and they can't get enough of him right now. I'm more sour dough than man at this point is that way, I always want to poke your belly to hear you giggle. Late show with Stephen Colbert weeknights on CBS. 6 38 President Trump's campaign has been handed another big legal defeat and its efforts to undo the results of the November 3rd election. What all the law professor Jessica Levinson explains what happened. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court don't a fatal blow to a challenge brought by one of President Trump's biggest supporters in Congress. Might Kelly The challengers tried to overturn a Pennsylvania law passed last year that created no excuse mail voting. They tried to trash mail in ballots cast in the 2020 election or ordered the Pennsylvania Legislature to decide who won the electoral college votes in that state. The court dismissed the case based on the doctrine of Latch is essentially saying that the challengers just waited too long. And if there was a problem with how the election was being run, they needed to bring it up. Earlier. Pennsylvania Supreme Court includes five Democrats and two Republican judges, and their decision to throw out the Trump campaign was unanimous. Nobody was hurt. Nobody arrested after a traffic.
Trump says he'll leave if the electoral college seats Biden
"President Trump answered questions about the election, his ongoing efforts to overturn it and some what ifs like would he can C two Joe Biden If the electoral college vote goes for Mr Biden? No, I can't say that it all well. I think it's Zapata's ability. He also told questioners he certainly would leave. The White House of Mr Biden is declared president by the electors. But Mr Trump also continued claims of massive fraud of which there has been none proven in court. Tom Foti,
Fresh update on "electoral college" discussed on WIOD Programming
"After Adam Bar, Nathan says, If you suspect you're having a stroke, you need to be seen by a doctor. People are afraid that they're gonna you know, wait somebody's time or overreact and that was prior to the end of it. Now we're seeing that combined with people who are genuinely afraid to go the hospital because they're more afraid of covert than they are of a stroke. Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer isn't too worried about new covert infection's coming from tourists this holiday season. People flying in and going to Disney, your universal those air to safer places I could think of. The theme parks are operating at limited capacity and have strong social distancing measures. President Trump says he'll continue his legal challenge of the election, saying that they're still voter fraud claims that need to be looked at Florida GOP Congressman Greg Steuby says the president is right no more. The state should be like Florida and not allow absentee ballots or write in ballots coming from people who you don't know who they are and not verified. You would solve all these problems. President Trump says that he'll leave office if the electoral college votes for President elect Joe Biden. And you're gonna want to obey your traffic laws today. Florida Highway Patrol putting more troopers on the state's roads over the holiday weekend, FHP says patrolling the interstates are going to be their top priority, especially today, so be sure to buckle up and stay off the cell.
A Look At The Pandemic Economy
"While the dow hit a record high so did covid nineteen cases and hospitalizations. According to adobe analytics we spent more than five billion dollars online shopping yesterday up. Twenty two percent from last year even as reports came in from across the country of miles long lines at food banks and food insecurity. The point here is that there's not just one narrative in this pandemic economy. Luckily we've got not just one but two of our favorite folks on deck to help us unpack it. All k- davidson is at the wall street. Journal and city ready is at politico. Hey to hey can relate. Hey kimberly so city. We sort of asked us every friday. But are these numbers about people getting sick and dying and going hungry and possibly going to push congress in the white house any closer to another relief package. You know these are depressing numbers. They're horrifying numbers. And at some point they have to force congress to act of. Unfortunately it seemed like we're going to have to see this. Get much further out of control before they do. You know over the next two weeks. We're gonna see an absolute explosion of virus cases as a result of thanksgiving holiday far worse than the increase we saw after the labor day holiday and after the july fourth holiday you. You'd think we'd learn something after fualaau isn't we don't necessarily do that. But we also have millions of people as we said staring down all the deadlines unemployment aid and infections and all these other. Stopgap measures A month from now And just to throw in into in the middle of a crazy government funding deadline to prevent a shutdown having two weeks from today and then we have a little political theater theater with the electoral college and state certifications All coming up in the next couple of weeks as well and so put it together. We have a whole lot of chaos and confusion that is usually not a good recipe for what's going on but you also have a sense that we might be getting to a really really bad place the country and so maybe that will be. What gets congress. Pay attention kate. Are you seeing any indications any bright spots possibilities. That negotiations are have have a pathway forward. Well i'm not sure. If we see the bright spots yet at kimberly but i think that really the kind of do or die moment if you will is next week. Pelosi mcconnell really have to decide if they're willing to just sit down and and how hard conversation and hash out an agreement because The clock is ticking. On december eleventh is the deadline for funding the government. And we know that they've made some progress on that front But they really haven't had broader discussions about covid relief so they might have to do. Some kind of short term funding extension beyond the eleventh may be like give them an extra week till the seventeenth to get them a little closer to christmas To see if they can work something out but one other thing we haven't talked about his covert cases in congress on capitol hill. You have senators who are having to quarantine and who are getting sick and so will they be able to actually stay in session long enough to do something is another unknown so it's really tricky and city. We had know new unemployment numbers out this week heading in the wrong direction. Is there a chance. Maybe that we get pieces of relief attached to these various funding vehicles. That have to go through. It's it's certainly possible that you may get a little bit of unemployment aid for folks who would see that dry out by the end of the month. It's possible that the the trump administration might extend some of some of its own measures at least until inauguration day so they can pass off the problem to the incoming administration. They're all all these things are possible. But it's just not a situation when you've got the the political cross-currents in the moma and people just like almost paralyzed by By the the fight over the election as it is And that's that's really put them at the in in this Really difficult situation where they know something needs to be done but they're not sure that they're going to be able to do it kate. The fed has been the one stepping in with all of these different measures. While we wait on congress. Do they have anything left in their toolbox. Well we know that. Certainly they've been they've been thinking about that Third latest policy meeting. They released minutes from the meeting on wednesday and and we know that they discussed ways that they could alter their purchases of treasury and mortgage backed securities. That's something they've been doing for months now and they could They could pick pick up the pace of those to to do more to support the economy. They didn't indicate that there any imminent changes. I think that they're kind of waiting to see what What congress is gonna do and hoping as we've heard that chairman jay powell say over and over a congress really should do more. Fiscal support is really needed at this time So i think they. They know that they're the backstop and they know they might have to do something. They're getting ready for that But it's not really clear. How much of a boost day can provide especially the longer this goes on. I think they're worried that You know the the with as long term unemployment continues to rise as we get more into like a traditional type of recession. Their tools are not as effective and That's why they keep saying of fiscal support is is so important right now
Fresh update on "electoral college" discussed on Guaranteeing Your Retirement with David Graham
"About a vehicle fire. Morgan Douglas of Alabama was arrested on a charge of second degree murder. Two others, including Michael Dean Roberts of Jacksonville, were charged with accessory after the fact to murder. Roberts is also facing arson, conspiracy and obstructing justice charges. As covert cases spiked. Emergency room visits have fallen. 40% is people delayed treatment for serious illnesses. Florida ER Doctor Adam Bar, Nathan says. If you suspect you're having a stroke, you need to be seen by a doctor. People are afraid that they're gonna you know, wait somebody's time. Am or overreact, and that was prior to hand out. But now we're seeing that combined with people who are genuinely afraid to go the hospital because they're more afraid of covert than they are of a stroke. Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer isn't too worried about new covert infection's coming from tourists this holiday season. People flying in and going to Disney, your universal those air to safer places I could think of. The theme parks are operating at limited capacity and have strong social distancing measures. President Trump says he'll continue his legal challenge of the election, saying that they're still voter fraud claims that need to be looked at Florida GOP Congressman Greg Steuby says the president is right no more. The state should be like Florida and not allow absentee ballots or write in ballots coming from people who you don't know who they are and not verified. You would solve all these problems. President Trump says that he'll leave office if the electoral college votes for President elect Joe Biden. And you're gonna want to obey your traffic laws today. Florida Highway Patrol. Putting more troopers on the state's roads over the holiday weekend at HP says patrolling the interstates are going to be their top priority, especially today, so be sure to buckle up.
Trump won't concede but says he'll leave White House if Electoral College votes for Biden
"Met with reporters at the White House yesterday. He was asked if he'll leave the White House when Joe Biden is sworn in as president on January. 20th certainly will. Certainly I will. And you know that. But I think that there will be a lot of things happening between now in the 20th. The Electoral college meets in two weeks and formalizes the election of Joe Biden.
Fresh update on "electoral college" discussed on WBZ Morning News
"Degrees with sunshine in Boston. Eddy 30. Good morning. I'm Charlie Bergeron. Here's what's happening in the Trump campaign, dealing with another setback after the Pennsylvania Supreme Court dismisses a case claiming that mail in ballots in the state are unconstitutional. Loyola Law professor Jessica Levinson says the biggest issue was More than anything else. The timing of the case the Pennsylvania Supreme Court dealt a fatal blow to a challenge brought by one of President Trump's biggest supporters in Congress, Mike Kelly, the challengers tried to overturn a Pennsylvania law passed last year that created no excuse mail voting. They tried to trash mail in ballots cast in the 2020 election. Would order the Pennsylvania Legislature to decide who won the electoral college votes in that state. The court dismissed the case based on the doctrine of Latch is essentially saying that the challengers just waited too long. And if there was a problem with how the election was being run, they needed to bring it up earlier, and that decision from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court was unanimous. 10. People in Waltham have been assaulted on the streets in the city over the past three weeks, police releasing two videos of someone they would like to identify in connection with these random attacks. Every victim was alone and was hit with a blunt object and these attacks have all been at night. Contact Walton police if you have any information to help in this case, Ah protest held yesterday in Boston, demanding a name change of a well known marketplace. They raise their voices in unison came to the name demanding Boston's historic Saddle Hall be retained. The city's cradle of Liberty honors the name of Peter Faneuil, who they say.
Supreme Court Strikes Down New York COVID Restrictions
"The new Supreme Court has spoken, and it is a much different message as it relates to Covad restrictions from the government. 93 w A. B C. It's the Mark and Rob. Show him Rob Mok is out Abdul in for Mok. And obviously, this came down late on Wednesday. With yesterday being Thanksgiving. We didn't get a chance to get to it. But the Supreme Court essentially striking down the order from New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, putting a limit on how many people could attend certain religious services again simplifying a very complex issue, but basically saying Hey, If you say liquor stores and bike shops can have whatever. Then you can't say religious institutions can't have a two almost soon. You say they got it wrong. Um, not necessarily. I think they got it right. But it was the question Woz. Um Did the rule really apply anymore? Because the mayor of New York City had sort of lift exits. The Governor York had sort of color coded like from orange thread in the synagogue to church. We're back in the orange category. Not the red category. So the question was. Is this really an issue at all? But what this gets, too? And it's going to sound really where I got to get in the weeds for just a little bit Sure, because we should point out the people hearing your voice. You are a man of all you are an attorney license in two states, which means we gotta start paying my annual to send to stop it. It's gonna cost about 350 bucks. There is this issue was called muteness and rightness. Muteness basically means that the issues over and the court doesn't have to deal. With it right. This means the issue isn't ready yet for the court to deal with, And so what? I'm thinking what the Supreme Court did Well said, Hey, technically, the issue is moot in the sense that no. They change the color code. This game and all charges. You got to go back to 50%. But they said this could come back up again. And so we want to make sure that the issue is is sort of settled, at least for right now, and that's why I think that's I think that's why they did what they did because you can't Treat religious institutions differently unless you've got a really, really good reason to do it. It's like it's got. Let's just all the strict scrutiny analysis and I'm like really delighted, said It's truly with the girdle on which is what he said. It's like No, that's that's not it. It's no, that's not it. Um In a nutshell. You you have a situation where I don't see why. I just couldn't remember to everybody the same, which is like a 15% capacity across the board. 25% capacity across the board. You gotta social distance and that'll that'll take care of it. But now we got the mayor. The Governor York City say the courts rule doesn't matter because we're no longer in that red So we're now in the Orange zone. But still, the court could say, Hey, this will come back. We just want to make sure that we know exactly what's going on. Because, well, well, I do agree with with in principle with the theory that hang in the Constitution doesn't stop for pandemic. You still have to You're still you're still in the pandemic. I have so many legal questions off of this. And if you are really ever you see the read these articles and said, But why did you this This is this is writing Abdul's wheelhouse. So the first question I have is when a ruling like this comes down because we've seen people like in the state of Indiana be very upset that the governor and in the early days of the pandemic said Well, religious liquor stores can stay open. But these places have to close and go into a liquor store. But you can't go in here. Does this apply across the country now? Does everybody have to look at this and go? Okay. This is the new law like how do we snow? Because this we're basically dealing with emergency orders, so the emergency order only applies to the emergency. The order. You need actual case X again up to the Supreme Court. So what does that mean? Cause I would look at this and say this is a This is a case. So what? No, it's no. It's Zen emergency hearing. Um For lack of a better term kinda figure how to explain this in like 10, seconds or less. Since keeping relatively simple in a nutshell, The court will hear cases like you know. Plessy vs Ferguson served Kendall versus shabbas or something like that has gone through the district Court, the appellate court and then to the Supreme Court. Then the court will also hear these sort of emergency orders, which is Hey, our rights are being violated. We need to know a quick opinion. Next. Why Z, which which gets to need to where I was going to go? Which is? How does the court decide? I was gonna ask you that question. This seems like it came very quickly versus these cases that sometimes you know, we'll hear an argument in October and they don't rule until June. Or you give it I say that it takes forever to go to go through. These sort of things are for those specific issues. So like Trump may appeal Some ruling related to the election, and that would be just for that specific thing. It wouldn't have some overarching. Apparently it was in the emergency order category, for example. Hey, we need to throw these ballots out right now. Because December 14th, the Electoral college is going to do X Y Z so the court will now the court can hear things on an expedited basis. I'II Bush versus Gore. Which, interestingly, which, by the way only applies to Bush versus Gore. Well, so let's let's let's branch off that rabble by the whites, The mark and Rob Show Mark is out, Rob here of duels in for Mark, We're talking a little bit about this. Ruling by the Supreme Court. Limiting of the governor of New York's ability to restrict religious activities were trying to from a legal perspective sort through what that means. One of the fascinating things for me reading about this is how Gorsuch was sparring with Roberts in their legal written opinions now wouldn't Jerry Springer they weren't yelling at each other on stage, but the different articles I was reading, say, said, this is pretty intense for supreme for two Supreme Court justices. This is basically their version of sniping at each other is that is that unusual for judges? It is not uncommon for judges to take little pot shots at each other. Supreme Court has done it even on that level on that level yet because they're all so they're still human beings. But you know this because I want to lead us to another look, they clearly they are brilliant whether you agree with their their judicial philosophy or not there. They're brilliant legal people, So they know they're smarter than everyone else, right? I mean, that comes off a lot of times when you hear them question the people at the court, But this this is unusual for them for one, the leaders to take shot and another elitist and it is in the sense that you have both know too conservative judges what may be a bit more ideological conservative than the other. But it is not uncommon for judges, too. Occasionally taking taking ticket but sort of a backhanded compliment to each other. So to speak, Okay? I did
Trump won't concede but says he'll leave White House if Electoral College votes for Biden
"Trump says yes, he will leave the White House. If the electoral College votes Joe Biden into office. He spoke to reporters on Thanksgiving. But he also added, if it happens It means they made a mistake.
Trump won't concede but says he'll leave White House if Electoral College votes for Biden
"President Trump says that he will leave the White House that the electoral College formalizes President elect Joe Biden's victory even is the president insists that Like the decision would be a mistake. The president spending his Thanksgiving, renewing claims that massive fraud and crooked officials in battleground states caused his election defeat, even though there has been no evidence to support those
Trump says he'll "certainly" leave if election results formalized
"Dozens of legal and procedural setbacks. President Trump continues to challenge the results of the presidential election correspondent Jennifer King. Now President. Trump spoke to reporters at the White House after a Thanksgiving conversation with U. S military members overseas. How is Kuwait doing? Trump renewed claims that fraud and crooked local officials in battleground states led to his election defeat. It's going to be a very hard Going to concede. Because we know there was massive fraud. He says He's going to Georgia on December 5th or rally to boost to Republican candidates facing runoff elections that will determine control of the Senate. Maybe I'll go twice. That's very important that we win those races, Trump told reporters. He will leave the White House if the electoral college votes in Joe Biden by the December deadline. Certainly I will and you know that. But I think that there
Trump maintains election fraud occurred
"Weeks, President Trump answered questions about the election is ongoing efforts to overturn it and some what ifs like would he conceded to Joe Biden if the electoral college vote goes in Mr Biden's favor? No, I can't say that at all. I think it's Zapata's ability. He also told questioners he certainly would leave the White House if Mr Biden is declared president by the electors, but Mr. Trump also continued claims of massive fraud to be found off which there has been none proven in court that Q and a session as Mr Trump conducted a White House videoconference with members of the military serving far and wide. As for
Trump says he'll leave White House if Biden declared winner of Electoral College
"Not a concession. But jack callaghan fox news. President trump said. He'll certainly vacate the white house. If the electoral college certifies joe biden is the winner of the presidential election. But he's also told reporters that's not a foregone conclusion. I think that there will be a lot of things happening between now and the twentieth of january a lot of things. Massive fraud has been found. President said he doubts. Joe biden actually got eighty million illegal votes but admitted time is not on his side. He also said he's not ready to talk about twenty twenty four yet but we'll campaign in georgia next week for the two republicans in the senate runoff elections. President did not offer any evidence of fraud but attorney. Sydney powell claims she has it affidavits from people who say they witnessed fraud plus statistical analysis in a lawsuit filed in georgia asking the state to decertify election results over. What she says was massive fraud in the tabulation of the votes
Trump Takes Questions From Reporters For 1st Time Since Election Day
"The President celebrates Thanksgiving and deals with long unanswered election related questions. Correspondent Natalie Brand starts our reports. President Trump Thank U S troops serving overseas this evening. I wish you would very happy Thanksgiving. You're doing an incredible job. And for the first time since Election Day, the president took questions from reporters and again made unsubstantiated claims of election fraud numbers are False the numbers of corrupt it was a recollection 100%. Actually, there is no proof of that at all. But the president is not conceding anything yet, And he says it would be a mistake for the Electoral college to certify the election for Joe Biden. He also says Biden should not be forming a Cabinet even though the Trump administration itself has already begun in
Trump says he'll give up power if Electoral College backs Biden
"With reporters of the White House President Donald Trump says he will give up power if the electoral college votes that way. But then he kind of flipped around and said he will visit Georgia, probably on Saturday for a rally is verbally attack. The secretary of state, calling him an enemy of the people said he cannot concede because of fraudulent votes, says US voting system is like third world also said people can't let a man assume office who won't put America first talking about Joe Biden. He did not clarify what he meant about not letting him assume. And that there is no way he says. Joe Biden got almost 80 million votes He called reporter lightweight during that gaggle
Angry Trump promises rally in battleground state of Georgia
"Despite dozens of legal and procedural set backs president trump continues to challenge the results of the presidential election president trump spoke to reporters at the White House after thanksgiving conversation with U. S. military members overseas hours Kuwait doing trump renewed claims of fraud and crooked local officials in battleground states led to his election defeat that's going to be a very hard thing to concede because we know there was massive fraud he says he's going to Georgia on December fifth for a rally to boost to Republican candidates facing run off elections that will determine control of the Senate maybe I'll go twice and it's very important we win those races trump told reporters he will leave the White House if the electoral college votes in Joe Biden by the December deadline certainly I will and you know that but I think that there will be a lot of things happening between now on the twentieth trump wouldn't say what his plans were for the inauguration I'll be honest I know the answer but I just don't want to say it yet Jennifer king Washington
Trump says he'll leave White House if Biden declared winner of Electoral College
"He will leave if the electoral college tells him to the jack callaghan fox news. President trump said he will certainly vacate the white house. If the electoral college certifies joe biden as the winner of the presidential election but he's also told reporters at the white house. That's not a foregone conclusion. I think that there will be a lot of things happening between now and the twentieth of january a lot of things. Massive fraud has been found. President said he doubts. The joe biden actually received eighty million legal votes but admitted time is not on their side. He also said he's not ready to talk about twenty twenty four yet but we'll campaign in georgia next week for the two republicans in the states. Senate
Trump accepts US presidency transition to Biden must begin
"Today might mark the first day of the rest of donald trump's life that is because tonight joe biden officially became president elect. And let's also be real clear. Here it's over. The president has failed in his attempt. To overturn an election result joe biden will as planned takeover as the forty six president noon january twentieth in keeping with the results of the election. Another way of putting it is. Trump's defeat became official when the woman who runs the general services administration faced with a boss. Who will not concede just tonight grudgingly agreed to officially begin the transition to the new administration in a letter to biden that avoids calling him. President elect emily murphy signed off on his transition and noted she was under no political pressure. Writing quote please know that came to my decision independently based on the lawn available facts. I was never directly or indirectly pressured by any executive branch official including those who work at the white house or gsa with regard to the substance. Our timing of my decision. I did not receive any direction to delay my determination. Her decision came just hours after election. Officials in michigan certify. Joe biden's victory. Trump posted his reaction to the news about the transition with a message. That did not sound like a concession quote. I wanna thank emily murphy at gsa for her steadfast dedication and loyalty to our country our case strongly continues and we will keep up the good fight and i believe we will prevail nevertheless in the best interests of our country. I am recommending that. Emily and her team do what needs to be done and have told my team to do the same tonight. The new york times reports at this way quote mr trump had been resisting any move toward a transition but in conversations in recent days that intensified monday morning top aides including mark meadows the white house. Chief of staff pat sip alone. The white house chief counsel and jay seculow. The president's personal lawyer told the president. The transition needed to begin. He did not need to say the word can see. They told him. Trump continued to solicit opinions from associates including giuliani. Who told him there. Were still legal. Avenues to pursue. This all comes after a string of losses trump and his effort to overturn the election results. Now trump's legal team is putting all their efforts in pennsylvania. Even several counties have begun to certified the biden victory earlier on this network one of trump's campaign lawyers explained the strategy here or legal strategies to make sure that every vote counts in his counted fairly inaccurately and we have timing again until december fourteenth. At least where those electors for the electoral college will vote and so our strategies to make sure that we continue to challenge all of these False and fraudulent results. The election was stolen in president trump by landslide. Okay so far. None of the election lawsuits has uncovered any fraud.
Trump administration officially begins transition to Biden after weeks of delay
"More than two weeks after Joe Biden was declared the winner in the election, the Trump administration is ready to begin the formal transition process. Lisa Matteo reports that frees up funding for Biden to assemble his team have access to national security and prepare for the move. General Services Administration has informed President elect Joe Biden and they are ready to begin the formal transition process and have named him as the apparent winner of the election. President Trump Tweeting that he recommends G s a administrator, Emily Murphy and her team do what needs to be done with regard to initial protocols. He adds, at our case strongly continues, we will keep up the good fight and I believe we will prevail. The treehouse a decision to officially begin the transition came this evening minutes before President Trump tweeted that he approved of the move. Mr. Trump still refuses to explicitly concede the race to Mr Biden, who is projected to win 306 electoral college votes to Mr Trump's 232. You may recall 270 is the threshold in the Electoral
Michigan certifies Biden win despite Trump's GOP overtures
"Hi Mike Rossi a reporting Michigan certifies Joe Biden's win in another defeat for the president's long shot challenges Joe Biden's win in Michigan has been certified marking another setback for president Donald trump's attempt to invalidate the November third election the board of state canvassers which has two Republicans and two Democrats voted three zero to confirm the results of the election with one abstention under Michigan law Byton claims all sixteen electoral votes from the state the trump legal team shrugged off the setback saying the certification was simply a procedural step the electoral college meets in three weeks to certify the Biden victory Mike Rossi Washington
Donald Trump's disregard for our transition rituals threatens democracy
"Have you noticed. This is not normal. The president openly trying to say only the votes for him should count talking about sailing election. No legal path to succeed. We've been reporting on how those michigan republicans were welcomed at the white house after being shamed in their own home state for what they were doing. And donald trump is also taking petty moves that basically delay or mess with aspects of the transition. They won't mess with the transfer of power. All of this. We want to show tonight with. The evidence is a radical break from a longstanding. Bipartisan approach to the peaceful transfer of power in america that look forward to talking to the president so honored that he was attended with hospitality to me. And my wife. Yesterday didn't need to do this. And i am most grateful that He would do so good morning last night. I had a warm conversation with president. Elect barack obama. I congratulated him and senator biden on their impressive. Victory told the president-elect he can count on complete cooperation for my administration as he makes the transition to the white house. My number one priority. In the coming two months is to try to facilitate a transition that ensures dental is successful. We turned presidential historian. Michael beschloss what contrast you see from there to now well once again are a donald trump tonight as a category of his own. Go all the way back to john adams who lost to the guy who was at that time as you know his political enemy. Thomas jefferson. Adams was angry about being defeated by jefferson. And he didn't hang around for the inauguration that tradition adopted established yet so adams got an a stage coach and went back to massachusetts before jefferson was born in but it began this tradition. That even when you have an incumbent president who is angry at the guy who beat him for reelection. Herbert hoover in one thousand nine hundred ninety three and franklin roosevelt over to the white house to talk about how they should transfer power even when they rolled up to the capital roosevelt and hoover sat in the back of an open car. They shared a lap robe. If you could believe it didn't talk much. But that's a tradition. And as you say the tradition is running alongside both the rules constitutional requirements and the norms that much abuse a framework or term in the last four years That provide a buffer a provide a context all this. We just showed the outgoing president's michael stays with us. We want to show michael. And our viewers the other cases where we have seen the candidates as mentioned who lost just conceding with some eye on their place in history john mccain making what for him was a painful concession to barack obama in two thousand and eight hillary clinton in that loss that shocked so many including many in the republican party. She got up the next morning and gave that speech pledging cooperation to president-elect trump and sixteen we've seen presidents who lost reelection like trump did face the music the people of the united states that made the choice and of course. I accept that decision. But i have to admit not with the same enthusiasm that i accepted the decision for years ago. People have spoken. And we respect the majesty of the democratic system. I just called governor clinton over in little rock and offered my congratulations. he did run a strong campaign. I wish him well in the white house. You know michael you deal with facts and evidence you have a rigorous process between where you start and publishing one of your history books. How do you measure class. Because what i see there is something. That's hard to prove. But i feel it inside which is across ideology in parties. We've just seen many different presidents showing a type of class or even grace that is absent right now at the white house. We're going to ari. I've got two sons who are now in their twenties but they used to play a little league and every time they played a game even if they lost they would shake hands with the winning team and say good game. That was assumed this. That's that's american. What is not. American is to claim when you didn't win to be a poor loser you try to be out of keeping with the tradition of all those guys you just showed even richard nixon who is not thought of in history as a particularly gracious winner. Nineteen sixty gets beaten by john kennedy. He was very angry about it and it was very sad about it but he goes out and tells us supporters in los angeles in america. Once a decision is made we unite behind the candidate who was elected that was even before the final results were. Yeah that's great a great example. You're given off as we say off the top of the dome michael We have one more for you. And that is al gore. Who did have this tight legal challenge. Everyone remembers frustrating. For both sides in the run up to it and then of course frustrating for the person losing so narrowly having won more votes overall total across america. Al gore take a look now the. Us supreme court has spoken. Let there be no doubt while. I strongly disagree with the court's decision. I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome. Which will be ratified next monday. In the electoral college and tonight for the sake of our unity as a people and strength of our democracy. I offer my concession. If i may be a little optimistic here at the end of the week michael ask you to guide us. What would you as someone who cares deeply about america. What would you tell citizens both parties neither party whatever. What is incumbent upon the rest of us to do if we never get that concession from this president. What do we do from here together. We just say the. Donald trump is a gross aberration. Get him out out the door. The door doesn't hit him on the way out on the twentieth of january and say we demand our leaders that they do. What all those other candidates that you show tonight did show some graciousness and understand that democracy is more important. Listen to what al gore said. He didn't say. I agree with the supreme court decision in bush v gore. He says for the sake of our democracy. I offer my concession. Most canada's most presidents love democracy want to unite the country. Donald trump is a gross aberration and exception to that tradition. Soon he'll be gone. Michael beschloss gets the word on that. Thank you sir.
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"Nader being on the ballot is a extra candidate. And and pulling environmentalists and other progressives away from al gore and that if it just been to party races as many people thought it was Gore would have clearly one florida and then won the electoral college. And we wouldn't have to worry about hanging chads and all all the rest Likewise i think most people don't appreciate the effect that gary johnson and jill stein had extra candidates on the ballot in two sixteen. And i think you know it's a little more complicated to prove statistically but i think have been just a two party race between donald trump and hillary clinton back in two thousand sixteen. Hillary clinton might well of one three critical states of wisconsin michigan and pennsylvania. The key point here is that donald trump was under fifty percent in all of the key states that gave him his electoral college victory. Those three states plus florida and arizona north carolina. He was taking all of the electoral votes in states where he won less than fifty percent so there were more votes cast against him than four him and yet he was getting all of the electoral votes from there from those states. That's actually not how the system was supposed to work. If you go back and read the debates of the twelfth amendment. They wanted majority rule again. They thought that majority rule would come from getting an electoral college. Majority based on accumulating majorities within enough states but donald trump got his electoral college majority without state base majorities. So it was the system going awry and it was the research for trying to figure out why that happened. That led to my book. And it's a story that takes place over the remainder of the nineteen th century and into the twentieth. About how operationally what happens in state law is disconnected from how the twelfth amendment in the electoral college is supposed to work. And we could actually fix that without a constitutional amendment. Even though i'd like one or even without this national popular vote compact idea that is a nice idea but we haven't gotten yet if battleground states just required of winning the money of the popular vote in those states to get those states electoral votes. We could have the misalignment of two thousand and two thousand sixteen. It wouldn't solve every problem but it would be an intermediate step before we can get the constitutional amendment that we need. Well there's plenty more to talk about regarding the electoral college and we'll do just that with our guests right after a short break. Stay with us. This is one eight from w. amu and npr since the nineteen eighties hip. Hop and america's prisons have grown side by side. We're going investigate disconnection to see how lifts itself and holds us down hip hop is talking about what we live trying to live. The american dream fell in at the american dream. I'm sending mallon. I'm rodney komar. Listen now to loud right podcast from npr music. We chase the collision a rhyme and punishment in america. This is one a. And we're continuing our conversation about the electoral college with ned. Foley law professor and author of presidential elections and majority rule the rise demise and potential restoration of the jefferson electoral college and david litt. His new book is called democracy in one book or less powered works. Why it doesn't and why fixing it is easier than you think. We got this email from jeff who says as a texas democrat. I feel my vote for president hasn't counted in decades nebraska and maine split their electoral votes. If forty nine percent of texans voted for biden. Why should he get forty nine percent of the electoral votes. David would that be a solution. Well i think the best way to to discuss. Actually i want to go back to something. greg believe. It either called her email said earlier. Which is that. The electoral college gives rural states. People living in rural areas. Say and we've heard this from a number of callers and e-mailers that if you didn't have an electoral college the big cities would decide who the president is. So i think that's a really important point. Not because it's accurate it's totally inaccurate. But because it's very commonly misunderstood so and it ties into this issue with texas democrats as well. I'm just gonna read you. A list of the ten least urban states in the country maine vermont west. Virginia mississippi montana. Arkansas south dakota kentucky alabama north dakota and new hampshire now of that list new hampshire and maine's second district variety of reasons are competitive in the electoral college. Candidates asked for their votes the other eight of the most rural states in the country. No one shows up to no one's asking for those votes and if you vote in those states the outcomes essentially predetermined. We already know who's going to win. No what it does not really affect the outcome. So if you're a rural voter and one of the most rural states in the country the electoral college actually sapping you of your power to pick. The president The most urban states in the country have a lot of electoral votes. That's not just places like california but places like florida even utah which is predominantly even though. It's very republican state. So when we talk about the electoral college in general the question is why do we do it this way. Why do we have some people's votes matter and some people don't and the answer is it's just a quirk of history. There's not a good reason we do things this way. And so that brings us back to this issue of what do you do. If you're a texas democrat. What do you do if you're a california republican and right now. The hard truth is that your vote is not real is essentially wasted when you vote for president maybe useful and other places but when you vote for president your vote is wasted and i do think there is something and it does not matter which party you support. That is fundamentally undemocratic about a system that wastes so many votes and so regardless of how we want to move to a system where the person who wins. The most votes wins the election That is something we need to figure out how to do now. I will say the problem was splitting the state's electoral votes. The way that we just talked about in texas is. It's fine if you do that. But everyone has to do with the same way because what would happen is if texas split. Its electoral votes. Then that would be an unfair advantage to democrats because no-one most other states don't split their electoral votes. We've actually seen efforts. By republicans in staple states like pennsylvania back when republicans thought pennsylvania was blue state to split their votes so that instead of pennsylvania going say twenty zero to the democrat would go twelve eight or eleven nine to the democrat and essentially take pennsylvania off the board but we keep talking around these complicated issues and ultimately. What's fascinating about the electoral college is. It's actually pretty simple. There's no good reason for it and we should all be trying to get rid of it especially because it doesn't particularly help. The people many of us think it would help. We've only got about a minute. Left here really quickly. Alex writes on facebook. Nearly every reason people give to keep the electoral college is actually reason for the structure of the senate and none of them outweigh the fact that the one elected office on the planet that represent all americans does not represent them all equally Very quickly david..
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"And if it fucks up the me evaluate with and we say oh. That was bad me both amount of office. It doesn't work to kind of divide. These backstops equip the the people. We don't like from winning office from doing anything. It always redounds to the benefit of those. Who just want stasis who don't like democracy right and you also you can't as a voter assess the performance of a political party if that political party only gets to do some portion of its agenda and it's not clear to you why some of that agenda is not going into place when you have sort of fewer of these checks and balances. Are you make it much more clear that a party can actually enact its agenda. People find out what their actual fucking agenda is. Vote him out of office and they have to have a less she agenda. I mean part of the reason. Why republicans get away with having these wildly unpopular policies is that it's not quite clear from congress like who's actually doing. What might trump going to surpreme court to be like. Hello yeah i'm upset. I'm contesting and it's like. No one knows what window to goto like i do think it would be better for like both parties to be able to like do the things that they claim to want to do. And then we can evaluate them based on that base instead of evaluating the based on how they perform in the equivalent of lake a horrible family system that we all have to wash them yet. I might even make them a little more honest nicer for the last year. Republicans ran on abolishing obamacare. They never did it. And that's because they knew in the back of their mind set like they would never be in a position to do it but if all of a sudden there is the expectation. But yeah what you campaigned on. You're you're going to have the ability to do right then. Maybe you won't campaign on crazy things anymore. More americans could look around and be like wait a minute. My healthcare hasn't gotten better and you've been in office for four years. Fuck you without republicans. Having this excuse like all the democrats won't let us pass what we want to pass. Or whatever for with nixon impression just like you just gotta do well..
"electoral college" Discussed on You're Wrong About...
"There wasn't really much divergence between the popular. Vote tally in electoral college. So why would you care. It's actually okay to care about things after they produce bad outcomes like didn't care about mass shootings before columbine well. Yeah columbine was really bad. I also it's okay to learn things. I think it's fine. Americans aren't actually allowed to grow but also people care may begin to carry the nineteen sixties when there's obviously big push for more democracy in the south and elsewhere invented nineteen sixty eight. There is an election that nearly sends the whole election to the house. Richard nixon against hubert humphrey against george wallace running as a third party george wallace ends up capturing most of the south because he doesn't get tennessee in particular he loses it by like twenty or thirty thousand votes. He doesn't get enough electoral votes to deprive nixon free of majority of even having a chance of getting a majority but he comes so close that the entire political system basically freaks out. Everyone's like wait a sec. This thing that could happen There's no argument at the time. This is what the founders intended this is. what they they meant there is. There is a national movement to get rid of the electoral college big Civil society organizations like the american bar association put out these like thick reports. That are like that basically arguing. This is a ticking time bomb this is gonna destroy. American democracy let it. The house passes by an overwhelming majority a constitutional amendment to abolish electoral college. And then it comes up in the senate where but not for a filibuster from kind of a. who's who of the southern segregationist strom thurman john stennis. I mean all all all the worst people in american history if not for filibuster probably would have passed the senate to it. Fi fell five short. Which is infuriating. Because the filibuster is the same thing. As the electoral college like something completely indefensible. That is only in place because of southern segregationists. Really also say what the filibuster is. My impression is that it's like you just keep talking as long as you possibly can to lake stall things which sounds very adults. The filibuster is basically that it is a rule allowing unlimited debate. Filibuster not in the constitution. Right you're right. Michael the electoral college. Not something anyone necessarily design. It is an accident. Aaron burr is streamlining the rules of the senate and notices that. There's sort of a. There's two rules that allow for cutting off debate. And he's like we should just get rid of one of them. It turns out that through some mechanism. I understand getting rid of one of those rules allow for the possibility of unlimited debate and had been no one realizes this until the eighteen thirties and then some senators realized it. That's for the filibuster comes from so it's a whole that arose through her enthusiastic editing. Which is a great moral for added. Never it allows a small number of senators to block legislation which is not the way that it's supposed to work right like if you had a majority you should be able to pass legislation and it just becomes a de facto supermajority requirement. That now in the senate you can't pass anything without sixty votes which is not the way that countries are supposed to run..
"electoral college" Discussed on You're Wrong About...
"So is there a sense of. Let's protect the poor slavery industry with these legal protections. Because it's not long for this world anyway like steel kind of we need these. We want this government. This is important to us via the slave owners. Want the representation. We should give it to them. They were looking for like a formula. It turned out that a couple years before in the confederation congress they were debating a fair formula for distributing tax burden never became law because of the high barra should app but they got through this debate mccain to it became to at least from the agreement that formula was in the formula. They agreed to that for taxation purposes. Slave should be worth three fifths of a regular citizen and they're like well. Let's just use that formula game. We already agreed to it to compromise. The ten is going to be core presentation. The house can be represented by population and that should also include some representation of wealth in in the south that means they're slaves and so they get the have three fifths of their slaves candid and then when the designing the electoral college they say the electric electric based on house and senate representation just carries through the slave invade the state advantage or what would become the slaves advantage into this new system but it doesn't become an advantage until these like underlying forces envy political economy of slavery. Pop up right. If slavery had actually died off it wouldn't have mattered but because it grew it mattered. So that's the that's the relationship. Electric slavery not created by not created to protect slavery kind of become instrument of the protection of slavery. This is like one of my favorite types of you're wrong about because in my very cynical brain i think of it as like all of these institutions are extent in america because of racism. And then you back at the actual origins of a lot of these institutions and like yes because of racism but also not necessarily in the form of racism. You mean right i. It's been where i guess the the popular. It's because of slavery. Explanation attributes a level of intentionally and like villainy which is emotionally satisfied. Yes but is it really helping how things work in right. You're the slaveholders weren't necessarily thinking to themselves must entrench. Slavery was sort of political horse trading. Right it was transactional rates trained. It's true it's very transactional and its unintended. I think i think that if you had told the delegates at the constitutional convention that three fifths compromise would end up giving the south kind of hammerlock on the on the presidency. For fifty years. They might not have never done it right. They might have just leave it up to that. Gotta find something else to do right. Because that's something. I don't see them anticipating because people and because people don't anticipate the future when they make decisions like ever because the future just doesn't seem real to people and it's his leg. This is solving my problem right now so like. Let's do it right now. Yeah we need a new government. We have these disagreements. Let's just figure out something. That is minimally acceptable to everyone here. We have all been drinking cider for eleven hours. it's humid this wig itches. Like hell the state of my balls is not even be gone into. you know..
"electoral college" Discussed on You're Wrong About...
"The presidency isn't profitable enough. I'm going to go back to farming. Welcome to you're wrong about the podcast where everyone gets to be a real american. I don't get a so much of this. Episode is going to depend on the idea that some people's votes should count for because they're real thirty rock concept of real america. Yes i gotta thank you. We got there eventually. I am michael am reporter for the huffington post. I am sarah marshall canepa about the panic panic and and we have a special guest this week. One of our favourite writers traditionally gordon introduced myself. Then okay all right. I'm very bad at this. That's why we go. We're just going to be silent for the next few hours. You just have to take it from here. My name's mecom this with the new york times. One of the most enduring pleasures of doing the show is how many of our favorite writers have gotten in touch with us to say that they are listeners. And that is what. Jamal did a couple of weeks ago and we're delighted. Yeah no i. I love the show. I've been listening. I i think. I discovered a lot like a lot of people at the beginning of covid. Corentin everything. i was kind of adding new podcasts to the rotation and a friend recommended yours and promptly kind of just went through the back catalogue almost up. It's fun to have. A podcast is basically targeted towards people in my exact age range. Mid thirty is so yeah. That's very weird sandwich position. We're and we're like where we're simultaneously the elders to one group in the youngsters to which i guess everyone goes through one time in history or another but it's annoying complain about it. Anxious covid millennials. Our target demo. And today we are doing a topical episode on the electoral college. This is their most happy episode. Ever as we're recording. This joe biden won the election after they call the state of pennsylvania..
"electoral college" Discussed on Throughline
"And seven say no thank you. We like the system the way it is. Thank. And that's when America owns the pro slavery and can't deny the pro slavery aspects of the Electoral College when they see it in operation fix other glitches and don't fix this one. Even though there would be several failed efforts to change some aspects of the electoral college in the decades. After the eighteen hundred election, the status quo pretty much remained the same. And this continued to work in the favour of southern states all the way until the time of Abraham Lincoln, the presidency.
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"Coming up in the first episode of Our misrepresentative democracy series, we're going to tackle these questions. And prepare yourself. Because, you might not like the answers. I'm run that this attack I'm rob. Louis and you're listening to through line from NPR we go back in time to understand the present. Hi this is Christopher Will Google and you're listening to NPR..
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"Since it is the some of Your House and Senate members, it's just a historical fact that the three fifths compromise gave slave states a bigger representation in the electoral college and the otherwise would have. And then this gets worse after the civil war because the three fifths compromise disappears and now freed slaves, our full people and all of a sudden the confederate states have their populations increasing in their congressional representation increasing and by extension the number of electoral votes they get in the electoral college increasing but thanks to Jim Crow to literacy tests..
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"Okay guys. We're we're back again. We're still with Evan Kevin. I had a I remembered. Haven't Evans here Evans here. I remember that my friend Devon here had written the paper about political polarization which is the main reason that I started this podcast in the first place so we were just kind of having a conversation we thought it might be interesting for. Are you guys to listen to and just kind of explain. The reason I'm doing this and that is it's not to convince anybody. I'm not trying to push somebody one way or another liberal or conservative. The whole point of this is to let people understand why other people think inc a certain way Evan. Can you tell me like kind of the thing that you were like the majority of the population or a percent of them think that the other side is actually less human Yeah will so I don't know about like that claim in particular I mean like I don't know how much I have. I'm just saying that. I think it's kind of just. The idea of like people will kind of like have these preconceived notions about other signs. Whether it's you know right left or independent or whatever And they'll like see some see anything that stands out as like the associated with perfect group. And then they'll lay flat Jonah that associated with all of the negative things that come with party or group like And I think the generalization in really any forms not really fair to the individual especially a lot of cases where people will turn someone just based off of what what they see and then they won't actually give them a chance to like they won't they won't even interact with them person to get them to give them a chance to express their views or their Just what they stand for in general. Yeah exactly because it's kind of harmful. Yeah no I I totally agree. I think if people we can take away anything the the the slogan of the assist to seek to understand. I'm again I'm not trying to convince anyone. I just want you to be able to meet someone. That may be has different political use for them and not even necessarily have a debate or anything but understand where they're coming from and to be friends with that person or have a relationship with that person like I don't think these things need to be deal breakers if we're able to understand the other side is coming from And I think that's something that's really lacking especially in our generation just because of how how rare conversations like these are specially actually just because people can get very very heated about them. Yeah exactly I think people like at least in in today's it is just I. It seems like there's a lot of Like a an unwilling unwillingness to listening to like like differing views. He has like it's always everyone's like so amped up about seemingly everything I guess then I mean fair enough. There are a lot out of issues that are very high stakes and they are very important to the success of the country but at the same or country or the world at large but Having to like the YOU'RE NOT GONNA get any solution out of dealing with the issues in uncivil manner but like you can't convince you can't convince the people that are against you to want to agree with you when you're not approaching them with respect but you have to give them enough respect to at least like try to take you seriously. Yeah exactly and I think how you said people like won't even listen and I'd say people will listen but they won't listen for the right intent like they're listening so that they can act you or that they can shove their point on you. But they're not listening to like actually understand where you're coming from. 'CAUSE I think a big part of your personal experiences and like you're never gonNa know what somebody's been through for why they believe in certain gun policies. They believe in certain abortion laws like. I think it's super important to try to really understand why the person believes in this and where they're coming from and said of just pushing pushing whatever you heard on a on a Ben Shapiro show or on Msnbc or whatever some facts that you heard like try to really understand where the person's coming from And grow from it become more knowledgeable yourself. Yeah I I think a lot of people will like but like you said they're not listening for the right intent so I think there are people that will listen for trying to understand but I think there's a lot more commonly people will like listen to try and confirm what they thought originally person. So they'll just look for anything they can to continue their their their notion. Yeah I know I know personally before I started this fog us anytime that I would finally open up about conversations like these were people that I knew agree with me and and people I knew I could not not necessarily like be mean to like the other party but just you know like agree and be like. Oh Yeah what they think is obviously obviously ridiculous. Like how could you think that versus having a conversation with that person an understanding why they think that most of the time it's not ridiculous it's a total. It's totally unreasonable. Yeah and that's when I'm like talking to people about politics and like I I try to do the best. I can to understand like viewpoint of both sides. I mean depending on the issue of course but like If someone will like the super dedicated indicate to one perspective I'll try to like throw in the other and see if I can like not necessarily convinced them because they might not be something that I agree with myself but I'll just point this is we're on people like becoming from on the issue and Kinda like challenge their perspective whether I believe in. Oh Yeah I think challenging. I think it's really fun to see. Challenge people even if you believe in the other side. It's like well how do you why do you believe that you know right Just kinda like poke holes in there just to make. I mean because a lot of people will I. I don't want to Generalize Missiles Levy or hypocritical people do tend to Like just you know. Read the headline and then like make the opinion based off of that. Not all people are willing to do their own research or even just like go to a source that's necessarily like hundred victory to what they already believe And get their information from there and try to do my best to like do that. I guess yeah no on everything from where you get to news who you follow on social media influences those kind of things so if you can switch that up once in a while now maybe instead of getting your news from MSNBC opinion go to maybe even go all the way to blaze go to you know Breitbart Info wars do go to the other side like see see see how a podcast INKATA's feist get differing opinion. Exactly that's that's true. I look forward to the day that I have Have those that'll be a good time. Yeah maybe not that but Alex Jones Salads character. Yeah well okay. I'll I'll wrap it up. It's getting long Evan. Thank you again for coming back on and talking about this. I want to thank all of you guys for listening listening to the over the edge podcast. look forward to seeing guys next week as always have a good rest of your day and go utes. Oh thank you..
"electoral college" Discussed on Over The Edge
"Every voice every lifestyle style in our country which is very diverse The life of a of a rancher in Montana is far different than the lies of an investment Baker in Chicago so so it is essential to protect the overall health democracy NC Central to protect Different points of views neck. I would definitely agree with you on a lot. Part of what you just said and I was very surprised that the James Madison quote as well as something that came up in my research. Now I'm GONNA give you a couple of the cons to the electoral college and you can tell me what you think of those. All right sounds good all right so the one and this is I think the biggest one for a lot of people is. Let's take the Democrat in Alabama Okay Alabama obviously a majority of mainly red state throughout history. The the main argument against the electoral college is that there's no point in that person voting because pretty much no matter what that state will be read it and therefore that person's voice is not heard and their vote in quotation marks does not count well in that situation. There's always going to be minority rights based on the overall perspective of the citizens of Alabama. Right the reality that most of them face yes so say there is a Democrat Democrat. And I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats in the state of Alabama. It's not that their voice voice isn't heard playing heard plenty open to campaign for Democrats entrain push the state blew. You can take California. California was once a red states shifted. Blue there's always political shifts but it's all about perspective writes yeah so Republican ideals and legislation oftentimes in the view of someone from Alabama's positives Yes so you're always gonNA shit right so they're open an open campaign their opener try naked Shasta but unfortunately there's always going to be a minority. Yeah okay that's that's a that's definitely affair response Another another question. I'm going to ask you and this is about something that I believe. Two or three states have implemented. I Know Nevada is one of them is where they are allowed to split up the votes in the electoral college based on kind of the population of voters. That voted one way or another. How do you feel about that Nick Right? I think it's up to each state. I don't think it's a bad idea. The votes Proportional to the overall will a number of each party got. I think it's honestly my opinion. A probably a good idea because I think that does promote even more democracy. Yes Without without you can without leaving it completely up to the popular vote right. I think that is a great solution. It's a hybrid solution to getting rid of IT and keeping it. Yeah the essential foundation the fathers in there for for no reason. They want the population to vote for the presidency in a whole because As we scribe earlier there's James Madison's co-authors a tyranny of the majority you don't want majority To to crush the minority right and that seems to be in an ideal with the Democrats somewhat confusing to me that would be against the Electoral College. My feeling is search butthurt because Hillary definitely only became a very controversial topic after the election and honestly this. This is one of the most interesting topics to me Not at first glance. I thought this was actually going to you. Want a kind of a more boring episode. But after I did some research I was of the opinion that the electoral college was not the best. But after I had looked into James Madison's Madison's original purpose for it does I do believe it still applies today. Contrary to what a lot of people say right and if you take look what the what the outcome would have been say. Hillary ones I mean you look at the electoral map. The majority of the country geographically. Yes right he they wrote it. They voted for Republicans because that is the viewpoint of the majority of America. Yes as we discussed earlier New York California Texas also be the only three states that would matter because they account for the rest of the population once-over yeah So if you're talking about someone vote in state not mattering get rid of the Electoral College College. Because then the vote from Wisconsin legitimately wouldn't matter I think as as as much as even it not mattering as the whole point. I think I think the most important part of democracy is having an informed voter And I think of politicians are advertising. Aren't campaigning aren't you. Know setting up things in these smaller swing states where you know where the factory worker where the farmer are. And they can't get a information easily about that. I think democracy is a whole kind of sinks. Thinks I agree with that. Yep most definitely okay. Well Nick do you have any other closing statements. You like to make our questions for me or the or the podcast hot cast or the viewers you know. Feel free to feel free to shot whatever you want now. Well my personal opinion is I think that our generation I I would think that this podcast is targeted towards The the JEN's ears and maybe similar death but I think overall we're shifting more right. I think the Democratic Party exist today especially when it comes to electoral college and all these other controversial issues. They've lost most of the intelligent argument behind what they have to say. So I think it's it's is important. I think this is a great way is a great way of promoting intellectual arguments rather than just pointing and yelling at each other and that. That's honestly the the the whole reason I set this up. I feel I'm on college. I'm at the University of Utah Right now in Salt Lake City and that was the biggest thing for me. I feel like these topics especially when you get into Even spicier one electoral college is pretty. PG But you talk about abortion you talked about gender gun laws and it is extremely difficult. A difficult sorry to find people that you can have a civil conversation with and I think that's why this is so important as for these smart college kids to be able to express how they feel with people in their generation right and I think both sides are to blame somewhat the but but overall it's you don't agree with me than you're wrong during the enemy which is against democracy in itself and it's become so polarized at that means Antifa these the white. Supremacist finding antiques on. There is white. Supremacist shirt but the left would lead you to believe that. All Republicans are white supremacists but my opinion but I would love to come back on and talk about one of the more passionate issues I have is is the long crisis huge especially student loan crisis I says yes but overall this is a great way of in of encouraging conversation. Yeah the I. I really appreciate that Nick and I will gladly have you on for another episode. It would you like to shout the automotive instagram that you got going on your instagram mid West Dot Motor Sports Midwest at motorsports sports on instagram heels. Pretty over there and giving you follow. Thank you very much nick. Have a good rest of your youth. You bye-bye yeah I think so. Oh yeah okay. Great Welcome back. We have our next guest with us on the over. The Edge podcast. I am joined by my cousin Evan. Evan and I understand that you don't have the strongest opinion on this topic so I guess fill me in on what your understanding of the electoral college is right now Yeah so I I kinda just Understand like the very busy concept of what it is and I don't really have like. That's it's kind of the extent of my knowledge. Like yeah okay. Just no system works states all have electoral votes. And whoever has the most electoral your votes wins the presidency. So right the two the two sides of this and we're not GONNA first sake of just kind of making it easier. We're not there's a hybrid of it that we talked about in the last interview about states where they can split the electoral vote. But for the sake of this we're GONNA keep it as either keeping or getting getting rid of it and so what I'll tell you and you can form your opinion kind of as I give you these facts if we keep the electoral college. What's good about it is it represents all the different lifestyles and states in America? Obviously the average lifestyle in Alabama is going to be very different from the average lifestyle L. in California. Okay right and if we get rid of the electoral college the problem with that is when you go to straight popular vote. Is that politicians. Asians then will only campaign in California Texas New York. That's were almost. Everybody lives a wide Jordy. So swing states like Wisconsin Iowa Ohio places like that factory workers things that Democrats and Republicans try really hard to win over no longer become relevant. Because they're not in the majority so and then but the con of the Electoral College and this is what a lot of people say when they say that they don't think their vote counts is when you're in a state so let's say California which is very blue at the moment if you're a Republican and you go out to the voting booth. You might think that your vote really doesn't matter because you know no matter what California's always going to be blue. And so your vote doesn't really matter in that sense if you have if theo state that's predominantly that that faction earn faction but you know that party so based off that and obviously there's a little more to it but based off that what's your initial Opinion of the Electoral College Right so I think just Like from the initial reaction to anything reason to get rid of it. I'd rather stay around for the like the main reason being you had mentioned that like would if it were to be Taken away it would kind of like make all states. That aren't like doc three or five most popular most populated states relevant And I think doing that would loyd affect more people's like mindset of not feeling like their vote matters more than if you were to keep it and the people that are within like states that are predominantly predominantly blue and. They're trying to vote. Red would like like those people are affected by how it is now. I mean that that's something that can kinda changed a lot easier than just like if you're going to get rid of the system altogether yeah So I don't know I think keeping his the way to go if you had to pick between the two but I mean whether or not you'd alter something about it is a exa different question. Yeah I'll just I'll fill you in on this one little thing. That's why I believe it's between two states Nevada's one of them is now what they do is they. They have the electoral college obviously. But they will they. They're they're allowed to split the vote based off the percentage of voters. That voted one way or another. So let's say here. Let me get to it. Nevada has six votes slit. Say It's fifty fifty. They're allowed to put three of their votes towards the Democrats and three of their votes towards the Republicans or one towards the independent dependent or whatever their state votes for and if they have fifty five percent they're allow you know they can do four into or you know whatever possibility comes up. Do you think that solution still keeps. The I. Guess the Ba- the basis of why we have the electoral college to include everyone there while I guess including more of the majority..
"electoral college" Discussed on Civics 101
"Right now whether or not it's going to hear the case this could forever alter the legality of the faithless elector and Chris was explaining his thoughts on the role of electors he referenced where we started the words of Alexander Hamilton. Well as a faithful selector obviously really endorsed the view of federal sixty eight that electors are not an accounting procedure. If they were there would be no need to have. People assigned to those roles and then electric should vote their conscience. If for some reason they think their party gets very wrong if there are some 'cause they don't electric feels bound that they need to Hugo for someone other than the candidate they're quote assigned to. I think they should vote that way. There is a chance that in our lifetimes. The Electoral College will be if not abolished altered by state legislation to work a different way so to finish up. I asked Alvin. What are the arguments for keeping it? What are the arguments? It's for getting rid of it. The arguments for keeping it Remain the arguments for putting it in place in the first place It leads politicians running for president to not ignore states like New Hampshire or Rhode Island or or Wyoming Montana places where populations are smaller I if you can win A good a combination of those dates with tiny populations. You don't have to spend all of your resources in New York Illinois California and Texas right and so that's the argument argument for keeping it together arguments against it or that. It has anti-democratic origins. But let's be explicit. The the framers would be appalled by the way. The Electoral College works today. Right the entire point for them was a bulwark against tyranny The entire point for them was to have electors being faithless right electors to be free agents. The point is that they would be. Electing people hide virtue that would would be able to discern whether or not someone had the moral virtues and sensibilities to lead the nation. And so this idea. Yeah that we should have reforms to make it more democratic. I think that they would think that that's preposterous right. And I think that on its face is the argument against it doc that we are so far removed from a society with fees. No She's ancient notions of virtue. That were largely exclusionary legionary that we should just scrap it and let the people vote. Should we keep it. Should we leave it. SCRATCHY WE BLEEP. It tweet US tweet your argument for or against the Electoral College at Civics. One on one pod and that's about it they'll just about do it. And that's the end of the electoral college and the end of our series on presidential elections. We're going to be back in two weeks with another episode. Today's show was produced by me. A cappuccino take you Hannah McCarthy. Thank you our staff includes. Jackie Fulton Erica. Janik is our executive producer and the only vote that matters. Maureen mcmurray majored in mischief if at the electoral college campus and lemon special. Thanks to Janette Senegal from the League of women voters and Brady Carlson for all his presidential knowledge. ABC Brady.
"electoral college" Discussed on Civics 101
"Okay and how many total electors are there so there are five hundred thirty five electors and that's exactly the same as the congressional delagations so every state has to that represents the senators and then they have as many as they have congressional districts. DC also gets three so oh the grand total is five hundred thirty eight. For example. New Hampshire has two congressional districts we have two members in the House of Representatives in Washington. DC So add. Add that to our two senators and we have four four electoral votes. California has fifty three seats in the house so it has with. Its senators fifty eighty five electoral votes. There are states. Who Do it differently? Right that's right slightly differently because article too which is amended by the Twelfth Amendment is what lays is out the electoral college but the rules about who the electors cast their votes for. That's left entirely to the states. This winner take all system is is not in the constitution which why main Anna Brassica or a little bit different and Maine Nebraska kind. Interestingly the mechanism for allocating those electors electors is a reflection of both the state. And the two congressional districts Omena Brassica both are fairly sparsely populated states and they have to congressional districts so the two electors that represent the Senate go based on the statewide popular vote. But then then Congressional district one that electoral representing that district goes for what that district voted for and Congressional district to how that person combat district noted. It's kind of interesting. And the determination of how many seats in the house state has that is based on population. Right that's exactly right so that leads to the next obvious conversation which is the US census after every descending census We the Determine who lives where we do account And some states lose seats in the house and others gain if and so the seats move around has population moves around and that number of house seats it is capped at four hundred thirty five shall not raise or lower. The twenty twenty presidential essential election will use the electoral map based on the data from the two thousand ten census we do a new census every ten years in the. US and twenty twenty four is going to be the first presidential election. That portions ends or assigns seats in the house and therefore electoral votes based on the new twenty twenty cents this and according to projections from the election data services. New New York's on track to lose to electoral votes and Texas and Florida are going to get three in two votes respectively seriously. Yeah the population in the south is growing and it has been for a long time and now we come to. What many consider one of the biggest critiques of the Electoral College which is the question of who benefits the most from it? Alvin said this has been an issue from the very start so that apportionment process if you're southern slave holder or like Madison counting your slaves who can't vote in that process is going to tip the scales of not only the House of Representatives but also presidential elections to the southerners and this is why so many of our our first seven presidents I think four or five of the first seven our southern Slave owning men right and so this is part of the benefit that they get but that process of portion is one that we still live through today. One we're fighting about today. He's working on a way to bypass a supreme court ruling in Addis citizenship. Question to the twenty twenty cents. This is what Mr Trump's citizenship question on the upcoming twenty twenty censuses about well if we can just count the citizens or add the question that will lead immigrants from Latin America Asia and Africa tonight into their doors to not answer correctly. And that will bolster the movement of seats away from them To white populations white rural populations and that's a good thing for the the Republican Party. Okay is Alvin saying the electoral college continues to benefit one region. Or One party over another. Yeah really is the power engine of Republican Party today is it explains a lot of their behavior. They are a minority party Fewer than a third of the voting voting age population identifies as a Republican. But when you look at where those persons are dispersed geographically has a result is all of racial segregation Jim Crow. It gives them a huge advantage in the electoral college. Uh and of course the reverberations of this is that it affects. How presidential campaigns are run? And because we don't have a popular vote system campaigning as a state state by state business during the run up to the two thousand sixteen election. Three hundred and seventy-five of the three hundred ninety nine campaign events were in the same twelve states and in the first five weeks of the campaign. Thirty three states were totally ignored. All right but if we did switch to a popular vote system wouldn't wouldn't that look totally revolutionized the way that we campaign in this country it would completely change how we campaign for president. It wouldn't even be in states. It would be in cities. High population cities. Candidates would spend all their time and add power in New York Los Angeles Chicago and Houston going back to what Alvin said about how the Electoral College College at currently favors one party is there any momentum to abolish it change how it works Abolishing it or changing it would require a constitutional amendment so that's two thirds of both houses but it also requires three quarters of all states to get on board and I don't think that the fourteen lowest population states would really get behind a movement to remove their electoral power. However Rebecca told me that there is is a roundabout way that the system is being altered as we speak very concrete? That's going on is that A A number of states have come together and they're almost all Democratic Party controlled states. They've come together and they've said If we can get get enough states that would constitute two hundred seventy electoral college votes to agree. Then our electors will choose the popular. Vote the person who won the popular vote nationally even if my individual state chose the other candidate so in other words they're trying to make the Electoral College Moot right they're trying to to make it inconsequential by saying if we can get enough people. Who would enough states whose electoral would reflect this Magic to seventy than we pledge that our our electors will go with the national popular vote? How many have agreed to do this? So far fifteen states and Washington. DC D. C.. So that's one hundred and ninety six electoral votes and there's another workaround that hasn't so far really affected and outcome of an election but it has certainly been in the news. I'm Gregg Garrity or the strategy room. Republican member of the Electoral College for Supper of Texas is vowing Alan. Castro's vote against Donald Trump. My name is Christopher. I'm a paramedic. Father and husband in twenty sixteen. I was the faithful selector from Texas faithless elector a faithless elector. That isn't elector. Who does not vote for the candidate that one in that state so win? The Senate certified the electoral count from from Texas. Donald Trump did not get all the votes. Chris and another Republican elector had concerns about foreign interference in the election and they voted for someone else appears there from the Donald J trump. The State of New York received thirty six votes for president. John are cases of the state of Ohio. Received One vote for President Ron Paul of the State of Texas. I was told point blank on the floor of the State House of Representatives that my career would be over I would never be able to work with Republicans Republicans again and at the same time. I was getting threats on twitter. Saying are you out of your mind. You can't possibly take those away from us. My children have been threatened. My wife's been threatened multiple notable ways literally six days after the vote. We spent Christmas in Kenya so the re the repercussions were serious. That people were very unhappy. We were trying to undo the election so far in US history there's been one hundred and sixty seven faithless electors though I have to ad seventy one of those were from a very small. Small amount of elections with a candidate had died before the electoral college vote. But electors don't always have the choice to be faithless or faithful thirty two states have legislation that requires you to cast your vote for the state winner and in most of those thirty to your vote even count replaced by an alternate. This happened in two thousand sixteen in as well three would be faithless electors were replaced and there is disagreement Hannah as we speak among the circuit courts on whether or not this is is constitutional and the Supreme Court is deciding.
"electoral college" Discussed on FiveThirtyEight Politics
"And maybe if you also said that, hey, look, if no one wins a majority, then it's the plurality winner that matters. And you don't go to congress. There are a lot of things that they the to college represents we should say which parts of those systems. Do we not like okay mic you posited? The everyone thinks both. So what your argument for why? That is the electoral college is horrible. Because I think distorts won the incentives of campaigning in weird way and away from certain interests and towards other interests that has a skewing affect and to because you end up with weird scenarios where the person who wins the presence did. Didn't win the most votes, and that just seems weird to me and wrong. That's not a partisan statement. By the way, the the times it's happened recently has benefited Republicans. But like it could have happened the other way in two thousand four and the elect the advantage in the electoral college swings back and forth. But I'm not saying you have to get rid of the electoral college. I think if you made some of the tweets like like may mentioned, you could make it better and still have still have some of the benefit whatever those might be that that brings. But like American sense of democracy has gotten more democratic since the founders. Yeah, we have we used to we implemented direct election of senators that used to not be the case. And I think we should update our systems to to reflect that but I want to hear what neat s- Nate layout. You just said something right before Mike started talking about how the electoral college contains certain by season, we should lay out which ones we like. And don't like and what we're talking about here. Yeah. Doesn't give white people. More people are confusing. The criticisms of the Senate with the ones of the electoral college, right? I mean. Yeah. It slightly tips. The scale toward smaller states and smaller states population. Wise tend to be more rural and more white at least Naito college DC gets to vote which it does not in the Senate. Maybe it's not a bad thing to like allow a finding number of votes in each state, which are allocated. I would hope in the same way across state, by the way, if you look at like what happens if you do proportional in two thousand sixteen so if you ignore third party votes, then you'd wind up with Clinton two hundred and seventy Trump two hundred and sixty eight. Which are can you go back? But you've only you've basically only laid out one reason for the electoral college that it that it favours small states. What are the other ones? I'm not. I'm not saying it's a good thing..
"electoral college" Discussed on Citation Needed
"But then I was like I don't want to be the asshole the day after it doesn't happen. All right. So are you ready for the quiz? I am as ready as Nate silver was for last election. All right. So which of the following is the best slogan for the electoral college is it a one corporation one vote. Be white power to. See stop bringing up George W and Trump. So I'd say, but they just skip the regular elections. You get massive amounts of congressman to do their bidding. So let's go with be it. But it's not powers. It's fractions by actions that we're working with is. Correct. Well done. All right. See? So we spent a lot of time poking fun at the red white and blue today, but we're not the only one with some wacky election practices, which is a real election process. In other parts of the world is it a in order to get on the ballot in France, a given candidate must secure at least five hundred signed endorsements from among a pool of forty five thousand eligible state officials thirty six thousand five hundred sixty nine of whom are French mayors. These mayors who can endorse only one candidate each made themselves represent constituencies ranging in sizes from millions in major cities like Paris to literally one person who declares himself. Mayor. In the two houses of parliament each constituency excluding the twenty five percent of each house. That is directly appointed by the military, the military representatives from both sides of the legislature are then organized into a third party whereupon each group Alexei vice president, then the presidential electoral college, composed of all three groups, obviously, one of the three vice-presidents to be the new resident the other two remain vice presidents, we can see why they're killing it, man. Mar. Is it seem in Lebanon positions of power are divided up by race and religion, including the presidency, which must go to Maronite Christian the prime ministership, which must go to a SUNY Muslim and the parliamentary speaker, which must go to a Shiite Muslim voting districts are similarly assigned, but since the parties and power don't want to give it up the country hasn't done a census since nineteen thirty two. Or d. All of the above. I'm gonna go is d but and another that can be any crazier than than actual nutsy running in the Chicago land area for fair. It is fair. Amazing. See so I learned something here. Thank you, clearly the electoral college, just one of many good ways of deciding on our leadership, which of the following is the best method for making big decisions that would be just as useful as the electoral college. There's quite a lot of answers available to a dance off be arm-wrestling. See tho- more which you have to declare. Chairs so much better. Duck duck goose egg hot potato g spin the bottle or h literally any other method. All there's no worse about this. I want to go with be as long as I have to turn my hat around a win. Let's go with F, which is also what Ted Cruz wife calls heath in bed. Sure. No, no, probably not. Choice. Fair reminder that we're not exactly thority on logical ways. Choosing winners. I guess tob wins this week. So he gets to take over as host next week. And he gets to decide who has to do all the work. All right. I'll get out my source, and my dictionary my pronunciation key. And I will choose ally. Technically, you'll choose. All right. Well, now, I'll toss it over to Sarah for last week's Twitter answer and this week's Twitter question. Thanks Noah each week. We ask the audience what obvious joke did we miss in this episode last week's answer comes from John on Facebook with this, obviously, the colloquial term for parachute mines is cocktail. To play along at home, just re tweet or Facebook. Share this episode with your joke for a chance to be next week's winter back to you know, all right for seasonally heath, and Tom I'm thanking you for hanging out with us today. We'll be back next week. And by then Eli will be an expert on something else between now, and then you can hear more from seasonal time over on cognitive distance. And you can hear more from heath. Eli myself on the scathing scepter Pratt and gone off movies..
"electoral college" Discussed on Citation Needed
"Okay. I gotta say see. So with those particular states on your side. I'm not sure you'd call that winning. Maybe it's a good thing. That was ineffective. Good was create is the mayor in little NICKY and Batman for George Wallace. Not the actor who you're anyway. In fairness, George Wallace, the politician. He was taking votes away from Richard Nixon. But it's not like fucking mattered because even though Humphries who was Nixon's opponent. The democrat was within point seven percents Nixon in the popular vote the electoral college score was three oh one to one ninety one or Jesus forty seven to one ninety one. If Wallace wasn't there stealing electoral votes from Nixon because the electoral college is a giant built-in gerrymander after the fact the arguments for the electoral college that like I said earlier, it makes it so urban areas are not so heavily weighted, and it also levels the playing field between states these people contend that. The country is made up of states and ignoring each state's atonomy pulls away from the state's power. Or and gives that power to the United States as a whole. All right. But I feel like we tip our hands on that national fiction in eighteen sixty one though. United States as a whole has the power. So this would be a lost cause. No. Some proponents that the college is in a much better situation to decide who will be the president of the nominee dies before the electors convene. Oh, okay. Well, that's an interesting one. Okay. But if we add running mate, can then we just do the count the votes. There's also a notion that this helps prevent massive voter fraud because it's contained in one state and recounts wouldn't have to be nationwide. Yeah. That way the supreme court only has to cancel one St. recount at a time. It makes it easier for them. See in Nebraska, we have to voting. You there have been some attempts to amend the constitution to get rid of the electoral college, but none of gotten off the ground one measure put forth that maybe a work around is the national vote interstate compact, this would be an agreement between states that would basically award the votes for that state to the candidate that won the popular vote for the country. Not the state it's still needs over one hundred electoral votes worth of states to agree to it before. It has an illegal force. We're gonna fix global warming first. And then this one we don't want to rush. Pretty good though that that national popular vote interstate compact thing that actually might work. Yeah. Yeah. All the fucking democratic states. That are dates. Yeah. So that that if only the democratic side signs up, it doesn't work very well. All right. So we get two hundred seventy no matter what that you know. However, we add up to to seventy works. But we're not there. We're like one hundred away still or something like that. So all right. So if you had to summarize what you've learned in one sentence. What would it be no matter how much implied your vote didn't matter you should still fucking vote? No because these actually vote in this one. Of course, this episode is gonna come out after that after so you should have voted. Disappointingly? How did he know? I was accident. I was actually going to do mega sue NAMI because I was like Blue Wave..
"electoral college" Discussed on Citation Needed
"And we're back where we left off cease. Give us a pretty good idea of what the intent of the system wasn't how I got corrupted into the debacle that it is now, but I feel like no history of the electoral college would be complete without discussing the equally long history of America's realizing and talking about how unfair and fucked up it. There's a lot of criticism of the electoral college, the first and most obvious is that isn't always a representation of the popular vote because it's a winner. Take all system in forty eight states. It's actually mathematically possible to win the electoral college with under twenty five percent of the pond really a flaw now, it's not likely but Nate silver taught us the difference between likely in years ago, and I still blame him because my heart hurts and. This could obviously be alleviated if we decided to use a system that main Nebraska have all over the country, the person who won the state's popular vote would have a clear advantage getting two of the state's votes. But the rest would be decided based on how each district vote, ROY. And we'll draw the district's using. Electoral. The main reason people give for keeping the electoral college is they think that prevents the election being decided by the largest urban centers. The largest thug centers. No notice. But he sounds urban centers. Nailed it. The math for this actually doesn't add up though as the top fifty cities in population only account for fifteen percent of the United States population. And even if you add in all the metropolitan areas of the country the total population. This fifty urban centers would be fifty five percent of the population. But I think the argument is more that those are the only places politicians would go because it wouldn't make financial sense to stump in rural places anymore that being said, I feel like the idea that political ads would pretty much only run in major urban areas would be a great argument to get rural voters on board with this, right? I mean, just wouldn't it be terrible. If like, the centers for commerce and education and the arts and diversity chose our leadership instead of GED dropout unemployed line worker who grew up in a field of middle or. Middle america. I was right. The first time. Tom. This is America. If you're going to see something true that white people don't like you have to say it. Nice. Nice way to say that another criticism is that instead of nationwide campaign candidates, really only focus on large swing states candidates will basically ignore the states that are a definite win and the ones no matter how much they campaign. They will definitely lose only to focus on the ones with close races. That yield the largest number of oats. The main swing states are Colorado, Florida, Iowa Michigan. Minnesota Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Because nothing says these are the guys who should make the decision like counting on the states, whose primary value is being indecisive. Let's find places where they just can't decide between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump because. Hall, and let's put those people in charge of large decisions for the fucking great system. It's the election equivalent of an anti-bullying program at my high school, it's against everyone's best interest. Thank you for your pro bullying stance. All I'm saying is that the kids in my high school stop being weird because they killed themselves. But they stop. Matters moving on to in these swing states voter turnout is critical. But in other lock states voter turnout. Really doesn't matter at all. There's an argument that the reason why the system even exist to disenfranchise black slaves because they were counted in the three fifths compromise when it came to how many electoral votes, a slave owning state would have. Okay. Yeah. But I mean, but if you wanted to get rid of all the Americans should there was born out of over racism need, a fucking meteor torch. Fun fact, if you get rid of everything racist, literally all this left of America is the Sears catalog. Pose nineteen Eighty-eight system. Also, disenfranchises the US. Territories Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands, the US Virgin Islands American Samoa and Guam as each of these. Territories has zero electoral college votes. It also makes third party candidate run completely ineffective. Last third party candidate to win. Any state was in nineteen sixty eight George Wallace, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia, and I wanna point out. Effective to win the press..
"electoral college" Discussed on Citation Needed
"And this would be literally the first time that being qualified for something was considered a prerequisite in American politics. Right so poll taxes literacy tests, gerrymandering the electoral college, Brian Kemp in Georgia. And literally we still have three fifths of. Just to be clear. I I'm working on the last one by the time this maybe fingers crossed. And even though Hamilton rage drafted a constitutional amendment to stop this practice. He could not hold back the tide by the early eighteen hundreds the winner take all electoral vote system was really starting to take hold and would eventually be the new normal. A couple of states today. Agnostic this method, Nebraska and Maine use the district method to decide how their electors vote the popular vote winner gets two of their votes and the rest vote on how the individual districts voted. So their votes can be split between candidate. And just know remember that we have Nebraska, exactly and state bird is going to be a nobody gives a fuck Nebraska. Do what you got. So how the modern electoral college. Oh, it doesn't. So on election day in our various states here in the United States. We go to the polls and vote. Well, a little more than half of us do anyway. Stay home and protest vote. Ourselves all day when we are waiting through the refractory period. Okay. But you're not counting the thousands upon thousands of dead people in illegal immigrants. He's no need to be partisan. And you're forgetting the people who just you know, play through the refractory period. You just keep playing. It's literally thanking you keep it as drinking never get a hangover. Guys. I think you're being a little unfair staying home is an amazing way to send a message that you hate the shit out of black people and women and Gabi everyone. But you that is. Clear message American. Yeah. At the polls, we'll see a list of candidates for president. We aren't actually voting for those people though, we're voting for some person who will then on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December vote for president based on who got the majority of votes in our state. But it's it's nice to have a guy, you know. Or a corporation or corporation. To come on that would be so fun. This used prison brought to you by diet, Pepsi, Pepsi. You've bought it by accident. Right. Yeah. You find me a person who is purposefully bought a diet, Pepsi. I will give you six dollars. Stakes are so low now this can cause a bit of an issue because as we have seen you could lose the popular vote and still win electoral college and by use pelicans can do that literally all five times that happened Republicans. And also some presidents. Have you believe that it's a much harder thing to? The electoral college also causes iniquity of voting power based on population. Individuals in California, Texas, New York, Florida Eleanor have votes that are worth the least and actually less than three fifths. And people from Wyoming, Washington DC, Vermont North Dakota, Alaska, we'll have a vote that is worth more. Okay. I know you have a lot of essay left and appreciate that. I really do. But I just need to take a quick break. If you don't mind just drown myself in this bucket of vomit that I've been letting age for let's see one year in two hundred eighty two days just. Tom actually, one guy in Wyoming just outlawed buckets in Illinois. You're gonna have to give that up. Now when these people are elected, they go to the state capitol and perform some bizarre political ritual. They have chairman and secretaries and tellers, they sometimes check preprinted ballots other times right in the candidate on blank slips their certificates vote and certificates Vassar -ment. And at some point one of them has to inscribe a bald eagle in Virgin's blood on the state, capitals floors pre over a shotgun rack and apparent truck nuts. But in the end, they basically vote exactly how the state wanted and the vote, and they send that vote to congress. Okay. So like the system that Hamilton envisioned minus the point. Face of America story. True twenty twenty four just going to be wolf Blitzer. Pint alumina rubber with a hammer and sickle. That's the. Thomson reading my diary. They can choose not to vote for the candidate that one in the popular vote in their state..