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Its Mitch McConnells Swamp. We Just Live in It.

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20:02 min | 1 year ago

Its Mitch McConnells Swamp. We Just Live in It.

"What next is supported by Charles, Schwab sting informed is all about asking the right questions, which is why Schwab encourages you to ask questions about the way your wealth is being managed. Do you know how much you're paying and do you get your fees back? If you're not happy, a twelve you get low costs and the satisfaction guarantee. If you're not happy for any reason the refunder fear commission. So go ahead, ask your broker some questions if you don't like their answers ask, again Schwab. To find out more, visit Schwab dot com forward slash comparis-. Tanya. Snyder is a transportation reporter and politico. Yeah, I've been covering transportation for almost ten years. Well, nine years. That's almost done. It's nine is almost ten it's true. She works in Washington. She has been tracking these grants. The department of transportation gives out who's applying who's getting paid. These programs are, are very, very popular. Everybody's trying to get a piece of this guy, and so there many many worthy projects that end up on the sidelines because there just isn't enough money to go around. Recently, this one proposal caught her. I request for a few million dollars from the town of Owensboro, Kentucky this request to improve. Some roads had been denied at first, but then right before Christmas, the money came through. And so we're looking into, you know what were the possible, political considerations forgiving this grant to Kentucky that, you know, in previous rounds hadn't made the cut yet, I guess the question the question is like, if you have five almost identical highway projects, how do you choose the one that's going to get the millions of dollars. Exactly. Tanya says these political considerations, she's alluding to every administration. Got him back when Obama was in charge, the department of transportation was worried about climate change, and they distributed money accordingly. Everyone likes to say that there are no Republican roads democratic roads and the infrastructure is bipartisan, but actually there's a real ideological divide on how he build transportation infrastructure. A rural road project that involves widening highways is, is something that the Obama administration was explicitly trying not to do. They were much more interested in streetcars, there were much more interested in bike lanes, and that is something that the Trump administration is much, much less interested in. But this isn't a story about Donald Trump, that grant, Owensboro, Kentucky was interesting to Tanya because Owens boroughs had friends in Washington since long before the current administration. If you walked to the Ohio river front from Owensboro city hall pass the courthouse and past the museum of science and history, you'll get to McConnell plaza. That's Mitch McConnell plaza for years. This town has been courting, the Senate majority leader, and it is paid off. Tanya says the details of how money flows from Washington to Owensboro tell you a lot about how DC is working right now. And for whom I'm Mary Harris. You're listening to what next stay with us. With the discovery of miles card. You can go further than you've ever gone, before, like son in your face book in your hand kids playing in the sand further because the discovery miles card offers, unlimited one and a half miles on every purchase and the automatic match all the miles you earn at the end of your first year. So thirty five thousand miles could become seventy thousand. It's just that easy. Get out there with your discovery miles card today. Limitations apply. Discover match for new card members only learn more at discover dot com slash travel. Owensboro Kentucky got an eleven and a half million dollar grant from the department of transportation after years of lobbying. They I applied for a back when Obama was president. They got turned down. But when President Trump took office, the city's fortunes, changed it wasn't just that Mitch McConnell was looking out for them in the Senate. His wife, Elaine Chao had become secretary of transportation, and she'd hired a familiar face to be her chief of staff a guy named Todd Inman. Yeah. So we actually a watchdog group called American oversight got a trove of emails between US DOT the department of transportation and McConnell's office. And so many of them had taught in men's name on them. Todd Inman had been a Republican political campaign operative in Kentucky for many years, much of that, having to do with kind of advanced logistics for events, so kind of managing transportation and setting up events and things like that. He wasn't necessarily kind of doing high level strategy, so he had worked on McConnell's campaigns ended up on Elaine Chao staff at the department of transportation. So this guy Todd Inman, he'd worked for Mitch McConnell now. He's working for Elaine Chao at the department of transportation, I guess we should explain the fact that Mitch McConnell is married to Elaine Chow and talk a little bit about how common or uncommon that is in Washington. Yeah. So weirdly, this exempts situation has happened before Robert Dole was the Senate majority leader and his wife, Elizabeth Dole was the secretary of transportation. So this exact situation and Elaine Chao herself had been in the cabinet before and Mitch McConnell was in the Senate, but not the head of the Senate. So it is unusual. And this is something that we had been interested in since she was nominated for this position. How would this work? How what are the kind of hazard areas when you have a secretary of a major cabinet agency, especially one that Dole's out discretionary grants? Most cabinet agencies don't have kind of buckets of money that they are spreading around the country at their own discretion. So you have this very unique situation where she is married to the Senate majority leader. So you know what kind of firewalls? Do you set up? We'll kind of guardrails, do you put around that to make sure that there is no conflict of interest that there is no way that anyone could even accuse you of punt flicked of interest. I mean, this is such a strange situation in. An obvious time that you need just be extra cautious and make sure that you're really crossing every t dotting every I and what we found is that they just didn't even try. Elaine Chao hired several McConnell staffers, former McConnell staffers from campaigns or his actual staff. And, you know they were in her inner circle at the department of transportation and one of them was this guy. Todd Inman, who had these deep ties to Kentucky. Some people think he wants to go back and run for office, again, in Kentucky and made it really clear in his Email correspondence with Kentucky officials that they should go through kind of normal channels when they have a request of some kind, but they should also send it to him so that he can fly directly to the secretary. So it was this much more direct channel to the top. And he said that the secretary had asked for that, you know, maybe he was grandstanding. Maybe he was just sort of saying, like, hey, you know, hometown folks, let me, let me know if you run into any trouble in help you out, and I think that we can assume that some of that happens all the time. And some of that is normal. And some of that is nice, but again, in terms of the ethicists that I spoke to for this article in terms of how they would really make sure that this was as clean as possible, that they would have taken precautions round things like that. You know, you mentioned that Mitch McConnell and Elaine Chao at kind of been in this situation before back when Elaine Chao was heading up the department of labor were there, any guardrails, then I think it was really different, partly because Mitch McConnell was not was not majority leader and was, in fact only became minority leader at the end of her tenure but beyond that, at the department of labor, they're just not giving out money in that kind of way that they do at the department of transportation. So I think that your potential for, for some kind of conflict of interest is probably a lot lower. It isn't necessarily wrong to help your constituents excess government grant money. The department of transportation helps local governments revise their applications all the time. But looking at these emails, it was the way this work was getting done with McConnell's office in direct communication, with his wife's staff. You know, this is, especially as the secretaries just coming into office, and just sort of getting her staff set up that a lot of this was happening, but a lot of Kentucky organizations were going to McConnell and saying, you know, with a request speaking, request or meeting request for Elaine shower her staff. And so, you know, that, that is not something I don't think that anyone would have gone to rand Paul or some other member of the Kentucky congressional delegation. I think that, that relationship of people going to McConnell and asking for a favor vis-a-vis the department of transportation was explicitly because of that, that relationship because they're married. And so, that, you know, some of that was was as she was just coming in, and, you know, likely still getting her staff set up, but it continued for a while. While in definitely, there was a, a back and forth with the McConnell people saying, you know, would you please make this kind of meeting happen, or help this person with this request? You know, Elaine knows them their friends, and in some cases when we go back and look beyond those people who have donated to Mitch McConnell for years, how did officials in Owens, bro. Talk about their relationship with the DOT and how it had changed underlain show. Yeah my coworker. Tucker Doherty went to Owens borough and talk to the mayor and talk to the county, judge executive, which is kind of the, you know, the top executive in the county and they were really clear that the, the county judge executive, especially that having Todd Inman on the inside their local guy. He kept calling them, our local guy that he has Elaine Chao Tzee ear twenty four seven. And, you know, when there are ten projects that they're trying to decide them on, you know, and we've got this low. Local guy on the inside with the secretaries year like you tell me what, what kind of impact is that going to have. So I think he was really clear that, that was there in, and when they got the grant, and they did a public press conference. They thanked, you know, secretary Chao Mitch McConnell. Todd Inman for making it all happen. Association's Bill with Cintra McConnell and US department transportation 'cause without them it wouldn't have, you know, I imagine for this piece you're talking to a lot of folks who think about government accountability, and how to make government work better. What are those folks say about what they would want to change about this system to prevent things that look a little suspicious? Yeah, I asked them, you know what it would look like if they wanted to put up a firewall, you know, if they wanted to just do everything they could to make sure that no one could ever accused them of any kind of undue influence or kind of motivation that, that Elaine Chao might have to help her husband, and they said that, you know, Elaine Chao could recuse herself from all decisions that have to do with Kentucky. Mitch McConnell could decide that he is that his office is not. To have that kind of direct communication, with DOT, certainly they could not share staff, back and forth of McConnell staffers going to work with Elaine Chao at the department of transportation or those people that do, and that have these connections, you know, might also recuse themselves from, from certain projects part of what I really appreciate it about your reporting is that you got into why the relationship with the department of transportation was so vital especially right now given the limits on how congress can wield money, right? So congress banned earmarks in twenty eleven for people who don't know for people who may not know what's tell me more about what an earmark is an earmark is when congress puts in a Bill this amount of money is going to be spent in this community on this project. And so a lot of your marks were related to transportation. Infrastructure, you know, that congress would explicitly say when appropriating money you know, and we're going to send eleven point five million dollars to the riverport in Owensboro Kentucky to do this to do this project. And that was a way that congressional Republicans, especially proprietors, especially powerful people like Mitch McConnell could could curry favor with their constituents and could could help the people back home. My impression is that Mitch McConnell was pretty good at this. He didn't know how to play that game and he an Owens, bro. Specifically Owensboro had been at, at a certain point of, you know, a vibrant bustling downtown and, you know, by the mid nineties, it had really been hollowed out big box stores and mega malls on the outskirts were really kind of hollowing out the downtown. There are a lot of boarded up storefronts and McConnell came in with a forty million dollar earmark that the mayor. Said that when he heard that he was just like stunt and asked McConnell like wait. Did you say forty million dollars and you know McConnell just sort of laughed and hung up as one does as? So you're marks there are lots of members of congress on both sides of the aisle. I, I hear it more from Democrats that would like to see the return of earmarks, because if done well and done accountably, you know, rather than bridges to nowhere. You have, you know, people members that represent a certain district that no their district better than, you know, the way that they would put it would be faceless bureaucrats in Washington, you know, that they feel that rather than leaving all of that discretion to the executive branch, they as members of congress that are authorizing and appropriating, this money should have a say in how it's used and may actually be the best people to figure out how it would be used. So why did they get rid of them? Yes. So there's the whole kind of bridge to nowhere scandal that there was a bridge in Alaska. That was, it was considered a bridge to nowhere in this kind of very unpopulated area. I think that there has actually been. In some reconsideration of whether that was even a good project since then that some people think that, that was a really important connection for the people there. But without getting too into the details of the merits of that particular project that there was a real examination of the way that members of congress were using earmarks, which they're calling pork, pork, barrel, spending as ways of sort of feathering, their bed among voters in their districts. But that what McConnell has found in the years since the ban on earmarks came in. Is that he now has this new way of helping his constituents access these pools of money from the department of transportation through his wife? Did Elaine Chao or Mitch McConnell comment for your piece? Yeah. I mean, it was so Mitch McConnell did and and actually touted in, you know, knowing that we were writing a story about potential undue influence from his office. And from the state of Kentucky, he. He kind of doubled down on that and said, yeah. Kentucky Kentucky punches above its weight in Washington. And I am a senior member of the appropriations committee, and I am pleased to do what I can't for the people of Kentucky, any lanes. How did not did not comment for the story in DOT just said, Kentucky doesn't get more than its proper share of funding that out of one hundred sixty nine projects that have been approved since Elaine Chao came into office, only five have gone to Kentucky, the proportion of funds that go to Kentucky is well in line with the proportion of population of the United States in Kentucky and that may all be true. So the earmarks went away, and all of a sudden, this new avenue opens up for Mitch McConnell. But I have to wonder thinking about all that is this, actually something special, or is this just the way money moves in Washington? I think that in our reporting on this we did not necessarily find that any one of these grants that Kentucky has gotten were without merit. But what we can say is that Kentucky had this very privileged position for getting grants like this, and that they had kind of access, and a kind of avenue to decision makers and a motivation for Elaine Chao, to make decisions that will benefit her husband as he's running for re election in twenty twenty you know, to kind of help out his political allies in places like Owens, bro. So, you know, we can't say for sure how or if that impacted the decision making around these grants at DOT, but we can't say for sure that they didn't take any of the precautions that you would think that a husband and wife in these positions might take to just make absolutely sure that they're not. Tanya schneider. Thank you so much for talking to me. Thanks so much for having me, Mary. Tonya Snyder is a transportation reporter at politico. And that's the show the what next crew is here every weekday morning for you. So if you're enjoying the show, please tell a friend about it. Just go ahead and grab their phone and click subscribe in their podcast app trust us. They're going to thank you for it. The show is produced by Mary Wilson, Jason de Leon and Ethan Brooks. I am Mary Harris. I'm gonna talk to you tomorrow. Go further than ever with a discover it miles card. They automatically match the miles you earn at the end of your first year. So you're thirty five thousand miles could become seventy thousand discover it miles. Limitations apply. Discover match for new card members only learn more at discover dot com slash travel.

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October 7, 2019

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03:15 min | 1 year ago

October 7, 2019

"Send and I'm Jake Sherbourne we're taking the week off with the seasons book so you'll be hearing a lot about the Washington Post Phil Rucker and Carol lay eggs long awaited and much buzzed about book about Monday Morning Anna Palmer and welcome to your politico playbook audio breathing stay tuned after the show for a message from the coalition against socialized medicine and crippling taxes Pelosi's healthcare takeover is bad for patients innovation and America on Syria The Times reports that trump's decision to pull out troops goes against recommendations from top officials at the Pentagon and the State Department the asylum seekers and police the border he told his colleagues he wanted the Democrats to quote feel the pain the post is reporting that Attorney General Pelosi and other liberals in Congress say they want to lower drug costs but their plans are nothing more than a down payment on their socialized medicine scheme a government over of our entire healthcare system taking power and control away from patients and their doctors and giving it to bureaucrats price controls access restrictions for patients ars review of the Russia investigation has won him the president's favor but others believe he's chasing conspiracy theories here's the latest on impeachment. Peter Baker long hostage and now they were all stuck demanding a ransom that everybody knew would never be paid how are they going to get out of this also juicy the book reveals in February and Times contacted ten former White House chief of staff saying they could not recall a situation where the White House were accepted political help from other countries are Torian how Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao but vastly more with officials from Kentucky which her husband represents than any other state twenty five percent of House meetings in her first fourteen months as transportation secretary with Kentucky Inns the AP has the latest on US troops starting to pull out from Turkey's Border President Donald Trump has a title cover and release date the title is a very stable genius it will come out January twenty first and will be published by Penguin Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Mike Sunday the president will have lunch with Mike pompeo in participate in the briefing was senior military leaders at six PM in the Cabinet Room Trumpet First Lady Melania trump will host to social dinner with me using he's not much of an expert at all the antidote ends with this okay. Kushner's quietly so we've wasted the last two years Stephen Miller looked stunned trumpet taking the not leaders in their spouses in the blue room at seven fifteen subscribe to playbook politico dot com slash playbook this episode is sponsored by the coalition against socialized medicine ocean poses a Supreme Court look ahead on how the courts controversial docket will test chief justice John Roberts efforts to keep the court out of politics and partisan battles here's it's on tap for trump's here's new book border wars is out Tuesday includes his very juicy in telling anecdote about Jared Kushner the president's son-in-law and self styled immigration expert realize march of this year Miller or US CIS to quote surge all non-essential staff to the border to help with credible fear interviews to vet colleague Alex Status Reporting that Mike Pence's Hetty out on the trail with the national tour of Congressional district represented by Democrat supporting impeachment politicos up with the.

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Jussie Smollett Indicted And 11-Year Old Arrested For Not Doing Pledge Of Allegiance

The Young Turks

50:01 min | 1 year ago

Jussie Smollett Indicted And 11-Year Old Arrested For Not Doing Pledge Of Allegiance

"If you like the young Turks podcast. I think you'll love a lot of the podcasts on the TRT network ole school is one of my favorites. One of the favorites for a lot of the listeners. Please check that out. Subscribe share it and makes a big difference and give it a five star rating. Thank. Are what I'm euros. Jank Ugur along with your other hosts Antica spirit, not the other host the host. Okay. What that even means anything? None of it means a damn thing. All right while and we'll show as always we have. A lot of corruption stories for you guys today. And then I'm going to go fight corruption tomorrow by trying to get money out of politics. Come join me in the state of Washington, by the way, so far two hundred and forty people have RSVP now that doesn't mean that everybody's gonna show up. But if we were two hundred people to this state, Senator in Washington that's going to be bananas. So come join us. And then if we pass that you did that you made that happen. And it'll be amazing. Okay. So Washington at wolf dash pack dot com, Washington at wolf dash, pack dot com. And if how do that do tomorrow in Olympia, Washington. Okay. So later in the program, Natalie the corruption though, but we're also going to be a little bit of hope. Oh, really? I kinda think we are actually. And you might be surprised. It's the story that I think is very hopeful. In fact, she appears surprise already. One this week. You know? Okay. Okay. In the third hour of the show. We're gonna talk to you expert on impeachment who says that the national emergency Trump. Declaring in needless national emergency is absolutely grounds for impeachment. I was a little surprised the that they would make that case. And then I read into wine I was like. In a resting interesting. Okay. So anyway, young Turks two hours in a lot of places, including our wonderful broadcast partners of a three hours online at TRT dot com. You'll get that in the third hour as well. As of course, the post game that we do just for the members TYP comes joy to become a member you get all of our wonderful programming. Casper. Go we begin with stories that aren't strictly political but are important to give you updates on. So let's get to that empire actor Jesse small. Let has been arrested his bail set at one hundred thousand dollars. And this follows news that he actually staged the entire attack where he had alleged the two individuals who were Trump supporters had attacked him viciously. Now, according to the New York Times, and they're reporting small was upset by his salary and seeking publicity. He's. Staged a fake assault on himself a week after writing himself a threatening letter. Now that threatening letter also included a powdery substance. That was not harmful didn't get any attention. And since it didn't get any attention. He allegedly hired two individuals to stage this attack. Now, the staged assault was carried out by two brothers to whom the actor has paid thirty five hundred dollars. And that they have a copy of the check small let us to pay them. So they did provide evidence. And I'm glad that they kept that evidence. I wish they hadn't of agreed to do this. But nonetheless, they provided that evidence to the authorities. And this is the reason why they were let go and small it was later arrested. They're cooperating witnesses. So they're fine. So. There's almost a question here. There's surveillance footage showing them taking a cavern the area of the reporters salt, the two brothers police that are great job. They track the cab. They interviewed the driver. And the driver explained to customers were and it was a two brothers. They then later fluted on Jerry. I don't know the escaping the country or laying low for a while. I don't know if they saw that in the movies or not show. What does that mean? You're gonna come back. They're going to be able to interview when you come. We don't know why they went to Niger, but they were arrested immediately upon arrival in in Chicago. So and Jake I actually want to go to the police superintendent in Chicago he gave a press conference today. And I really liked a lot of what he had to say. This is just a small snippet of it though. Let's take a look empire actor jussie smollet took advantage of the pain and anger of racism to promote his career. I'm hanging my head and asking why. Why would anyone especially an African American man? Use the symbolism of a noose to make false accusations. Could someone look at the hatred and suffering associated with that symbol and seeing opportunity to manipulate this symbol to further his own public profile. How can an individual who's been embraced by the city of Chicago turnaround and slap everyone in this city in the face by making these false claims. That was superintendent Eddie Johnson. He also said, quote, I just wish that the families of gun violence in this city got this much attention. And I think that's a fair point to make and look obviously the worst part of all of this is that by staging this type of racial attack. It makes people question or become way more skeptical of others who have legitimately been targets of hate crimes. Well, actually, though, the he put it nearly perfectly when he said take that symbol of hate and use it as an opportunity manipulate the symbol to further his own public profile. It's as bad as gross as you can get but beyond gross illegal to do a false report to the police maximum. Sentences three years. Everybody's talking like he's not going to get any time probations also possible. But I don't know why we're swimming that I know he's a little famous, I guess more famous now or infamous in an little wealthy. But I I don't make that assumption at all. And I'll tell you this. If it was a white person who faked in attack by two black guys to get out of something or for whatever reason and said, oh, yeah. It's like, for example, black lives matter attacked me, and they're terrible. And you should be looking for black men in the that would be awful terrible false crime false. Allegation, and I would ask for jail time for that. I think you know, I don't know what the right number is six months. I I have no idea. But if I wanted in that case, I should want it in this case. And I do so they'll have to prove it. He slew claims that he didn't do it. But I mean evidence appears to be overwhelming. They also have him calling the brothers a little bit before the attack and a little bit after that TAC. Okay. So it's come on. So can I just say look there's two elements of the story. One is what happened, and then two is the media reaction, celebrity, reaction, etc. Wanted to get to that act year. So just last thing on. Why why was initially skeptical about it? And I thought Anna did a great job of covering it on the day that it happened before you get to your point can actually show the audience the way, we covered it. Because oftentimes, look we we are very clear about where we stand on political issues. But more importantly, we want to get to the bottom of the truth. Even if it goes against our beliefs, right? The point is not to pass down some sort of Genda the point is to tell the audience the truth and for all the criticisms we get for race baiting. Right, right. I mean, the way we cover the story was the right way to cover it. And I'm not just saying that to toot my own horn. I know that everyone else in this network would cover it the same way, we're not looking to push for a nonsense, racial agenda. Again, we want to get to the truth. And this is how we covered it. When the story first broke. And there was a tremendous amount of pressure to cover the story in the first place. Even though we didn't have all the information yet. Take a look an actor from the show empire was allegedly beaten. Oh, he's definitely beaten. But the story we're trying to get down to the details of we'll give you what we have. So far. It seems like it was a racially and sexual orientation motivated beatings. I just want to really emphasize that. We don't know who the attackers. Are we don't know whether or not those things were actually said or yelled out there are some sources saying that. But as we know, you know, whether the these people are witnesses, I have no idea, we don't know who they are. And I'm always super hesitant to say like, yes, this was racially charged or. Yes, it was this or that. We don't know we don't know at this moment. So that's I think the exact right way to cover it. And earlier in the week. I talked about it on on air for the first time when. In expressing skepticism. What it was warranted? At that point. We had new evidence showing that it likely was staged and then last night when police finally arrested him, Ben an I talked about it at length on old school and other program that we have and and look why were we initially skeptical? I know why the right wing was initially sceptical they're skeptical of every attack on a minority in this country. And of course, the reality is in overwhelming majority of the times ninety nine percent or higher. There's a hoax. There's no actor trying to get more attention. It's just a regular person who was attacked, and it's our job to seek Justice in that situation. Okay. But for the non right-wingers, the reason we were skeptical is it was just too convenient. There was the news which he kept around his neck and walked home with. There was the bleach there was attacking on on him for his race and his sexual orientation. Somehow these mass Ben knew him at two in the morning had the bleach had the news with them had all that. And on top of that said, this is mega country. Each possible and different variations of that have happened throughout where there's one or two elements of a story like that. But man, he laid it on thick. And so that's why we were skeptical. But now, let's turn to the overall coverage of it and how people's reactions like a lot of people like this celebrities that tweeted on his behalf in the beginning. So Michael, Jordan, Tracy Ellis Ross, and so many others they they met. Really? Well, why would they question them? They're not experts on news. They don't know what a fake attack versa real attack. Looks like someone they know or even if they don't know who's a someone in their profession says I was viciously attacked your natural. Instinct, is empathy. Right. And there's nothing wrong with that instinct, and at the time the police were backing out what smell Ed had said. They had no reason to doubt him if they don't know like if they don't track the news every single day to know what real attacks look like, right? And so Robin Roberts. She interviewed him. But before any story came out questioning his side of the story. There was a little bit of doubt. But doubt from again dubious sources and the police were backing him up. Even when Robin Roberts interviewed him on ABC and all the way throughout and for all the insane people in the right way. Who say, oh, yeah. You see that? This proves that. It's fake news. No approves the opposite. Because if there was a conspiracy to blame Trump supporters for this attack. Why do they break the conspiracy? Why did the news then turn around and say, no it was fake and he's been arrested. That makes no sense at all. No, the acted on the best information they had. And this is what's frustrating every day because of the right wing in this country has lost his mind, we have to debate with borderline lunatics that sought no the press invented the story. They wanted to blame the Trump supporters, and and but you say well logically. Then why would they then today turnaround and say it was smell Leto did it, and it says fault, and they go I don't care about logic fake news. I know they reported what they had then they reported what they had in the middle. And now they're reporting where they have based on the information that is public and from the police it self, and they did the right thing. Yeah. I think there are a number of different things happening in response to some on the right wing who. Think that there's some sort of conspiracy against them. And all that I think that right now every political issue every racial issue is one big game where you're on one of two teams and you want to win at any and all costs and unfortunately while we play this game. We don't listen to one another. We continue to you know, widen. This giant divide that we're already dealing with. And I don't know what the solution is because it feels like things keep getting worse, but we need to figure out a way to just calm down for a second. And stop seeing things as my side versus their side. We need to get to the truth. And we need to look out for one another as Americans like we're so far removed from that. I don't know if we ever had that as a country, I know growing up when I was much more idealistic. I really did feel like we looked out for one another. But we don't do that anymore at all. So that's one thing. The second thing I want to talk about is just how look we need to we need to calm down. And. And just put our motions aside, or at least suppress our emotions until we have more information about everything. Right. So you're right in that people didn't have all the information yet. And then as soon as they did get the right information, they made sure to update their stories, etc. Etc. But there are some people that I feel on social media, especially really played it up and got really emotional really angry before we knew all the facts. Oh, but look let me defend those folks, even okay? And now, we're not talking about the media. We're not talking about the figures that we discussed and talking about I am talking about people in the media. But I'm not specifically talking about journalists. I'm talking about, you know, pundits things like that. I'm not talking about strict rights, but given the the history of racism in this country, given an homophobia and given the attacks that are incredibly real in that ever happened hundreds thousands of times when they believed that an attack like that had happened. And they would have no reason to doubt it what? I mean, the cops are saying it happened at the time. Why? Why would they doubt the cops randomly, right? I can understand why they're mad about the racism and the racist attacks in the homophobic attacks now, as it turned out in this case, this particular guy had made it up it appears. But that doesn't negate any of them oceans that I think are real based on the facts of the attacks that have happened in the past. Yeah. Look, the emotions are fine. I think I think the issue that I have is just assuming that it it definitely happened the way that he alleges it happens there. There's no questioning him. You shouldn't be skeptical. In fact, we're well. Yeah. I agree. When we when we did the initial video I'm going to be honest with you guys about how it felt as I was commenting on it. I felt super uncomfortable commenting on it. Truthfully. I did comment on truthfully. But I was worried that people are going to start attacking me because they're gonna saying, hey, she's being too skeptical of his accusations or his claims, oh, you should believe the victim. But I felt like that's that's an irresponsible thing to do as someone who has a platform. It's my responsibility to let everyone know. Hey, we don't know all the facts that we need to wait. And then we can give you, you know, real commentary on this. But it's it's uncomfortable. Because people think Ono she's denying that the victim is saying or that the the victim really went through this. And the same thing happens with people who come forward with sexual assault allegations. Look, I think that you should take every sexual assault allegations. Seriously. But I do not agree that you believe that person right away at any and all costs. No matter what right and you go back to our cavenaugh coverage. You see when we began to bleed believe Christine Blasi Ford when we questioned the third person that came forward, and and the and the context and the facts that we looked at to arrive at those conclusions rather than making knee-jerk decisions. So I I know what the knee jerk thing on the right wing is. Oh, yeah. They never listened to any of the facts. They always believed the the woman, and they never believe this just not true. You can look at all the videos that we've covered on all those different issues as saris, and example, the, but the Anna's right there on people on the left that say, no if the woman in this season sorry case says this happened. That's a one hundred percent. And you are not allowed to question it sorry. We are allowed to question. It that's part of our jobs, and by the way, this also applies to the establishment. So we talked about the right way on the left wing. But there's absolutely we'll tell you when Mark Sanford. I don't know if you guys remember the story, he was the governor of South Carolina was went missing. And it was such a weird story. And then he put out a statement that he was on the Appalachian trail. And I came. On the show. And I said he is not there is no way. A governor goes missing because he decided to go camping on the Appalachian trail for a couple of days. Let's not a thing that happens. No. He's do something that he doesn't want people to find out about. And at the time people were like, how dare you? How this is our governor your cues ING governor of not telling the truth. God damn right. I am. Okay. Because guess what it turned out? Of course, he wasn't on the Appalachian trail. It was having sex with those mistress down in Argentina. And yes, we question governors and politicians they're the first people you should question. So each category. Whether it's right wing left wing or this owlish -ment has their own sacred cows. But when you're covering the news, you can't have sacred. Cows was actually look at the facts, right? It look I don't want this to come across as us, you know, gloating over the fact that I think that we covered right all throughout. Okay. I just want to say for the next time that it happens. Just put aside. For a second where you're from that doesn't politically and ideologically. But that doesn't mean in this case coming back to smell at because he made it up that the rest of all the tax that have happened in this country, black people and gay people aren't true. If you think that then you don't care about the facts at all, I mean, don't pretend that you felt proclaimed white nationalist just got arrested because he was going to terrorize, and he had stockpiled weapons and drugs and everything he was going to terrorize a left wing politicians, including Blumenthal who he referred to as blooming Jew. No, he was going to murder those murder people. And this Millette story has gotten about a thousand times more coverage than at the FBI arresting what they called a domestic terrorist who was going to murder politicians and journalists that he concerned to be against Trump. Now is there an even playing field here in how we cover the stories. No. In fact, the media, I think goes too much out of their way to peace the right wing and say well on the one hand, we have thousands of racist and bigoted and homophobic attacks on the other hand, we're going to cover even more. So one case one case of a guy who made it up, and then it appears even if they're not trying to do that. And I don't think they're attempting to do it. But to the average viewer of the news, it looks like it's even a maybe it's not even even because the one case that was fake got so much more coverage than all the other cases that are true. And there's something deeply wrong with us. So I wish the news also would give better context in that case. But I'm gonna come all the way back around is smell at himself. He he's done such tremendous damage. He allowed those now right wingers to go around and smear all other legitimate people who have been attacked who suffered whether it was physical or not. And in his case, by the way, the brothers did punch it because they were he told them to write and he scratches own face, it appears that's why he was did appear actually beaten as the police originally reported, right? And and for his own fame and glory. I guess well mission accomplished your now famous smollet. Okay. He through other African Americans and other gay Americans under the bus, and it I can't begin to describe to you how inexcusable that is. Let's take a break when we come back. 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Especially in a case like this discrediting, this crediting instances of real racism and giving ammunition to the ignorant for your personal promotion is unforgivable not to mention the waste of public resources. Roberts. Strickland says when he refused to let the police check his phone that was a red flag for me. And I am Sox's all those right wing people who have said the same thing, regardless if smaller set it up or not so. That's true. But now, they feel empowered. Actually, I'm going to be one last one from Twitter Kato Kato says I was a little skeptical of smallest story myself because they attackers reportedly references empire credit during the attack. Ain't no Magara guys watching empire. And also, look not I'm not I'm not saying this to insult him. But there are a lot of actors and actresses out there. Right. Many of whom are people of color or might have, you know, a non heterosexual identity. Why out of all those people was small at the one that maga- guys would target? It just seemed to weird like, oh, you're so important. I mean, it could be random, but way, he described it did not sound random list were carrying around the news the bleach and specifically targeted him. It could happen. But obviously less likely. Okay. Let's go. All right. An eleven year old in Tampa, Florida had been arrested for refusing to stand during the pledge of allegiance. This is a sixth grader in Tampa suburb. And apparently the sixth grader from this suburb. Religion Lee told the substitute teacher. The flag is racist. And the national anthem is offensive to black people. So he refused to stand at that point. He gets into a verbal dispute with the substitute teacher. Her name is Anna Alvarez and in response to teacher said she asked the student. Why not go to another place to live if it was so bad here? She said that he answered they brought me here. For for an eleven year old, right? They brought me here, man. I dunno where I'm supposed to go to great answer this substitute teacher responded with well. You can always go back because I came here from Cuba and the day, I feel I'm not welcome here anymore. I would find another place to live total lie. Really you're going to go back to Cuba. No, you're not no way. She's a sounds like an obvious right winger. I'm sure despises the government of Cuba idea that she'd go back to Cuba is laughable. I'd find another place to live. She didn't specifically say Cuba where you're going to Canada. No. I know I know this look first before we go further with the story. Let me be clear about something. The supreme court has ruled on whether or not students can be punished in any way for fusing to stand for the pledge of allegiance. I'm sure you would all be shocked to find that it's wrong, and it's a con considered unconstitutional for teachers or administrators or staff to punish a student for fusing to stand because this is protected speech. I mean, this is the most obvious thing in the world. So you want to know why Alvarez the substitute teacher called the police, and she admits this she admits this Alva said she called the police because she did not want to keep dealing with him. Okay. Let's stop right there. So she doesn't want to deal with him. So she wastes the police time polices time by calling them and having them show up. Okay. They come in they show up. And this eleventh grader gets. Upset and so he starts talking back to the cops which as we've talked about on the show multiple times. The worst thing you can do is disrespect a police officer by talking back to him or her. And so what are the cops? Do they arrested an eleven year old, and what was he charged with resisting an officer without violence and disrupting school function, but wait a minute. He if it's okay to not stand for the flag and the teacher goes ballistic over not the kid to kid doing these always done stood for the flag. Right as substitute teacher comes in causes, a ruckus, and they go. Okay. No technically were not arresting you for not standing for the flag. Wink, by the way, it's not only on constitutional also against Florida law specifically and against the policy of that district. So for three different reasons, they have no right to disturb him, they go 'cause the problem in the first place, and when the kid goes, well, no, I don't I don't want to leave the class. I've ever right to stay in the class. They're like. How dare you? But wait a minute. I'm in the right? You're in the wrong. They like are you resisting arrest, but up wait a minute. I'm being arrested. Well, okay, I guess I object to being arrested. That's it. That's resisting arrest without violence. Well, what are you supposed to do? And somebody is a teacher verbally costs. You in a way that is completely wrong against policy against law and against the constitution. And when the police come and try to arrest you for no reason at all. Are you supposed to be happy about it or your specific os? Thank you so much for doing a false arrest. I really appreciate it. And an eleven year old is supposed to figure out as crazy. Even though he's figured out everything correctly. He's right on the law. He's right on everything. But they're like, but remember you're supposed to also know that even though it's not on any textbook. It's not in any law book that cops are never to be disagreed with otherwise they'll ruin your life. Because now I mean, this is insane. They've expunged this arrest and go way beyond that they should compensate him at center is constitutional rights. Have been violated conservatives you should be with us on this. You claim to love. The constitution. This is a clear violation of the constitution. This where are the pretend first amendment activists on the right? Where are they? Okay. If the for the two free speech when it's somebody thinks racist something racist, you're like over reach reach to hate people. When this is an actual adjudicated freedom of speech issue where you at where are you at? I don't see you. Right. And then then you've got the constitution overall in the supreme court interpretation. And then you've got by the way, Jack booted thugs from the big government coming and interfering with your personal life and your personal rights. I mean, the conservatives should be all over supporting this young black kid. Yeah. Ryan seeing him yet haven't seen a single conservative supporting him. Let alone being outraged by the case, of course, not stop criminalizing our kids. Look, I was a rebellious kid. So I did a thousand things wrong when I was a kid, and I mean little on the fights. Now, I'd be in maximum security solitaire confinement for the fights that I got into when I was a kid. But on this issue. I think there was so some point where I probably didn't stand for the pledge for God knows why because I was a rebellious kid, and I probably an excuse, and that was based on principle or whatever. Right. What imagine if they had arrested me, and that's it? That's that's on your record for the rest of your life. Do you think I could have gotten into a good school? Probably not right. So there goes that. I have no doubt that if you were a kid in school in this era. You would get arrested at some point. Sure, if I'm just Muslim kid 'cause I thought when you were young you were still practicing Muslim, right? I mean, we never practiced anything. But yes. Technically, I was Muslim. Yes. I mean, you need like pork it. Oh, yeah. For a while. Yeah. Drink so just imagine it was a kid. Well. While when you were in college you didn't drink. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. That's true. Absolutely. But most importantly, if I was in a poor minority area. And I had done the things I did in school. I'd have been locked down for a long long time. And so that is a two tier Justice system, and it's unacceptable. So everybody should be on the kids side. But. You know, now they're still having to go through this process. And and the thing that I can't abide by last thing. Is there excuses? In. So they're saying like when they say, no, no. It was okay. Because he was disrupting a school function. Please stop lying. Okay. And when they say, no, he was not arrested for refusing to participate in and pledge, but but for causing a disturbance, but by definition, if someone doesn't participate in the teacher yells at him. They didn't cause a disturbance the teacher did. Yes. So you're just using it as an excuse to arrest a kid for NAS standing for the pledge. Now, the substitute teacher is no longer teaching in this district anymore. And the district says that they are going to take a good hard. Look at the way that they're training their educators, which I think is a good idea. But there should be some consequences for the teacher. I'm not saying lock her up or anything crazy like that. But. No, no. You don't need to that. But my point is if you weren't educator, you have a responsibility and an obligation to handle your classroom as an adult not immediately. Call the cops and waste their time. Because you don't want to deal with students anymore. And okay, you know, what let final two because I don't want you to get mistaken here. Because the last week checked it on this story, the kids still facing charges. That's crazy totally utterly unacceptable. And I want to go back to the teacher saying, you know, just just go. I was from Cuba. I could leave the country whenever I wanted. I don't like it here. So you could just go back. He's African American or is he supposed to go to his point about they brought me here. What do you know which country originally came they weren't even those countries back then, but a preposterous thing to say what an incredibly thoughtless thing to say. And that's supposed to be the teacher. My God this district has to make it right for this kid in this family immediately instead of pursuing charges, which is literally un-american it's move onto some other news. Recently. Former acting FBI director deputy FBI director, Andrew McCabe had released a book and in that book, he disclosed the fact that back in may of twenty seventeen he had told the bipartisan group of lawmakers the so called gang avait that he had launched an investigation into Donald Trump and his relationship or alleged relationship with Russia now, Mike Pompeo who is Donald Trump's current secretary of state knew about this. And he was asked about a during a recent interview. And I thought this was fantastic pay close attention to the way he doesn't really answer the question, you're the acting director at the time keep also Ted that congressional leaders knew about this. Did you know about the intelligence investigation into the president? So I have watched a little bit of it. I have probably this as close as you. Have been a bit busy. I find it. Sad Andrew McCabe had the I g from the organization he worked for forever declare that he wasn't credible. And I that's unfortunate. So I I don't put a lot of stock in the things. Mr. McCabe said my my work at the I was always aimed at the singular purpose of keeping America safe. I don't talk about investigations that we did. Or did not do. You didn't answer. The question though, is like oh, circle circle circle. Socal around it. The flag circle around it. I'm not going to answer your question. I've been busy. Oh, what's oh. Oh was FBI investigating the president. I didn't know that. I was I've been busy. And did he notify the gang of eight? Those are the senators and congressmen from the Republican and democratic Senator. Is that an interesting story? I missed it. Right. One. He knows a may twenty seven twenty. He's a CIA director. That's when the launches investigation. There's no question that the director would normally. No, that's why it's a good question. Ask him when he doesn't answer it. It's absolutely clear that he knew. Okay. So we have part two of this a little question and answer session. Take a look so you weren't aware of the counterintelligence investigation. No, there's I don't talk about ongoing investigations or the absence of ongoing investigations I've for two years, I've protected that. I'll protect it again today. By the way, he started with. He said, you didn't know about the investigation. He started for a second with. No, then he immediately like scrambled. He was like, no I can't come in on investigation. Either way. Again. I mean could be cannot be. I'm not gonna say anything. Yeah. Because look I understand, of course, wise doing that. Because if Trump finds out that his beloved Pompeii owes currency sectors. They and his buddy. Knew about the investigation into Trump all along. And and I guess didn't do anything about it. Because Trump would think well, you're the head of this show, you what didn't you stop it? Right. You're exactly right. Has of course, can't do that. But Trump would think that would think that because he's a child he doesn't know how government works. He doesn't know what the rules are. He doesn't care about the rules. But remember the most important thing Trump, no matter what is loyalty, even though he is unloyal to everyone who surrounds him. Right. And so I look this is I know that this is probably a flaw of mine, and I accept it. Okay. This is what I love. I love the drama like I love I enjoy watching the soap opera like dynamics of Trump administration officials. I I actually enjoy it. Because here's the thing. Mike pompeo. You are not smuggle. You are. What's the the bad guys him? He's gone, right? Once that power precious precious. Our anybody maker once Lord of the rings. I know right. I'm a little late. But still no he's so obsessed with the power. And so he's got to do all this like mental gymnastics and play all these games and try to like pretend like his loyal to Trump all for that why why would a miserable existence? Well, if Pompeo said the truth said, I was actually see I, of course, I knew that I was investigating Donald Trump's connection to a foreign government. That's where the would be relevant, right? And no, I didn't tell them all the details because I'm not supposed to the is not supposed to tell the president the details of what the FBI told us about the investigation of him. That would be crazy and he would be right about that. And he would be fired immediately Trump. And remember the story we did about Dan Coats today. So he's the director of national intelligence, Dan coaches and Trump is thinking of firing him because he did it wasn't loyal enough. He didn't lie for him in public congressional hearings which would be illegal to do. Right. He should've said that. North Korea stopped all their missile programs. But they haven't that Iran is in violation of treaties. But they're not okay. So he's like he's so mad that that Dan coach did not commit a crime in front of congress that he's thinking of hiring them and they say when coats gives the intelligence briefings in the morning most important thing for the president that he doesn't like to talk to coats. He likes to talk to pump peyot. So now, he found out his birdie Pompeii ho that he's been checking you believe coats over here. He won't even live for me because I don't like his disloyalty maybe turn out Pompeii or knew about the investigation all along the. Okay. As the Trump turns these are the days of our lives. They might all wind up a General Hospital. All right. We gotta take a break when we come back America's power couple of corruption. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks. If you want to get the whole show and more content while supporting independent media become a member of T dot com slash joined today. In the meantime, enjoy this freezing. Hey, how you guys doing? We're back. Okay. In crime rights in the members section. I'm a teacher if I call the cops whenever a student it'd be I'd have to hire a secretary. So Holly our rights and they arrest the kid because he dared to know his night rights. That's exactly right. As a hard on Twitter says what happened to be sent to the principal? I know. Right. That's what I think about an everyone of these schools stories. Yeah. If I got out of control, they sent me to the principal. Okay. I mean, I feel a little bad for the principal. I mean, I bet principles have been calling cops on kids to. Yeah. I agree. That's the right way to do it. Yeah. Okay. So all right. Let me think what of our sponsors, nor VPN. So look one of you guys talked about it yesterday in a tweet. Here's what the terrorists got caught yesterday. He had his every website. He ever went to he looked up. Like, how do you kill supreme court justices or and so no, but literally he looked up where can you find a supreme court Justice, and then other things about how to kill people? And so now, if you're one of those guys do not get nor VPN, but if you're anyone else that you're a decent person law-abiding person yet, nor VPN dot com slash TY T protects every site. You go to keeps your privacy. And in this case with TY going to get a seventy five percent off a three year plan and free month. So north VPN or use the promo code TYP, art. Thank you guys. All right. What's thank Santa. All right. Sorry, Chou or Chow. Joe? I keep mixing it up. Sorry. Mitch McConnell who is the Senate majority leader is married to Elaine Chao, she is the head of the department of transportation otherwise known as dot now. This marriage has brought up in my opinion. What appears to be a huge conflict of interest because McConnell who is from Kentucky can very easily. Touch base with his own wife to get deals for the state of Kentucky and through a freedom of information act in through a an investigation by an organization that cares. Very much about this type of corruption. We have found that it does appear that the department of transportation has favored Kentucky and its transportation projects over the projects of other states. So we'll give you some examples Chow has met at least ten times with politicians and business leaders from Kentucky in response to requests from Connell's office, in some cases, those people later received what they were hoping for from chows departments, including infrastructure grants. The designation of an interstate highway and assistance in getting state funds for a highway project. So there are a number of Email exchanges that kind of bear this out that make this pretty obvious in one Email just days after child was sworn in McConnell's state director emailed her Lieuten. And asking the secretary to meet with maritime industry lobbyists. Jim Adams about proposed changes to buy American high American higher American requirements for off-shore drilling equipment, the lobbyists donated fifteen hundred dollars to McConnell's 2014 reelection campaign. So there's all sorts of things going on. There's a campaign contributions. There's the fact that there's this. Administration power couple situation happening, and what also really stood out to me McConnell's been defending Trump pretty aggressively in any in all cases. And remember congress is supposed to serve as a check and a balance to the executive branch. If you know your wife is part of the administration is part of the executive branch. Can you really effectively do your job in serving as a check to that power this interesting getting your wife's husband? I mean, your wife's boss fired innocence. If it was go all the way to prosecuting him in the Senate. Okay. I find this story cute. And I'll tell you why it's so school corruption, and and for the Trump administration, I know the bars know been really really lowered, but. It just seems. Not as bad as the other ones. I'm keeping it real. Okay. So the fifty one hundred dollars is fairly low amount. But that one seems to be the worst because it's at least, it's a donor. Right. So it's a Donut or Mitch McConnell his wife. Elaine Chao running department of transportation goes and goes, what can I do to help your donor? But that's Washington one. Oh one. Okay. And in terms of the other projects, they have in my mind, less clarity on on the quid pro quo. And and so the part of the transportation is going to do some projects in Kentucky. And Elaine Chao has two outs here. She's like one. That's my home state. I'm gonna favorite a little bit. And that's normal. And that's what a lot of people. Do you shouldn't? But okay, number to look, the my husband happens to be the majority leader in the Senate, no matter who the majority of was, and even if I wasn't related to them that would be very important constituent that the executive branch would tear. About that part is also true. Okay. So they've got a lot of outs here. So this is it's not great. But the different Trump scandals to me, there's a little a little bit lower on the reason why I wanted to cover this isn't even about the quid pro quo component of it. Although I of course, I find that wrong. But you're right in that with all the corruption stories we cover this is kind of further down the food chain. What really did stand out to me, though, is how much this undermines the checks and balances that were supposed to have. And also if I remember correctly, and I do remember correctly. Mitch McConnell was in the room when Andrew McCabe announced to the gang of eight that he was gonna launch that investigation on Trump and his potential ties with Russia. And so behind the scenes, okay. Mitch McConnell knows what's going on. He knows what what how much of a bad guy. Trump is. But publicly he will do Trump's bidding he will support. Trump. He will defend Trump. He will do whatever it takes publicly. And so I think that conflict of interest. There is really a huge problem. Because look we know that right now, our our democratic system of government is in jeopardy there all sorts of conflicts here there, there's all sorts of corruption, but just on the very superficial level. They're supposed to be a system of checks and balances, and he is the Senate majority leader how are you going to expect him to do his job properly? If he has that huge conflict of interest within the administration less who thinks this is look American oversight. Did a good job. They got a freedom of information requests. It's great investigation in that sense. And they got all these emails, but the reality is if Elaine Chao in Mitch McConnell were going to do something really corrupt. They wouldn't send an Email about it. They live together they could just talk to one another. So it's awfully hard to catch them on a big fish story by going to the emails of their underlings. Oh, man. What kind of conversations? Do you think they have? I don't even want. Okay. I don't to know. And the last part of it is look I got a little house of cards here. Right. Smaller story coming out is it to deflect attention from what could be larger stories total speculation. Okay. I the minute Elaine Chao is put an office. There's first of all let's just also knowledge. There's logic in it. Right. She's worked in other administrations before she's a well known Republican right-winger. She's married to the most important Senator on the Republican side. Okay. Keep it real those are real considerations. Right. But it's the department of transportation her family from Taiwan has a giant transportation business. I would keep the eye on that ball. I'm not saying they did anything wrong because we don't have any evidence of that yet. But that's that would be a much larger story. I like it. Let's keep an eye on that ball. Yes. Yeah. Okay. We have to take another break. But when we come back, we are going to discuss the North Carolina election, rigging story. I mean, you got some family betrayals going on you've got some testimony. We have some video. You don't wanna miss that? This is the we're heading into the four segment. Okay. Guys. 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The Biggest Tailgate in Trucking

"Four years ago I was northbound on. I seventy five and Knoxville Tennessee. My cargo a load of imported watermelons they had sailed on a container ship from Guatemala. To South Florida where they were transferred by forklift onto big trucks driven by folks like me. These were those tiny seedless designer types. They call personal watermelons. I always wondered about the marketing cat. Who came up with that one personal watermelons? It's like a watermelon. You can have as a friend. I was pulling a refrigerated trailer back then a reefer as we call them. Weaver's a heavily insulated box trailer equipped with a giant diesel powered temperature control unit. It's actually got the capacity to maintain more than forty thousand pounds of perishable freight at temperatures as cold twenty below. It was rush hour Knoxville or K Town Tucker code traffic came to a screeching halt at the junction of I seventy five and I six forty. I got stopped and time but the trucker behind me well not so much Shoot rear ended. I took a minute to collect myself and walked to the back of the trailer to check I on the other driver. He said he was okay. Then I opened the vent hatch to check my load. What's seconds before had been a perfectly picked personal watermelon was now pro lapsing through its ruptured. Rhine down the crumple of exterior of what had once been the trailer. Stainless steel door and on to my trembling hand. Sorry friend Unbeknownst to me at the time this baptism and the puree of a personal watermelon come to being my own creative big bang. Strangely as a result of this event I would come to be part time recording artists a contributor for overdrive magazine a now even a card carrying podcast producing radio. Toby and I'm long-haul Paul. You're listening to over the road. I got that Lucy. You A new. Cfo by truck. It up by now on the top of this mountain and I know I still gotta get down the other side. Somehow and I'm so scared I'm shaking but I know quite a few drivers that swear by roasting salmon over there and we will willing to take pot bellied pig. We tried to even pickup sixty pounds tortoise fines or change. Ain't that anymore. What why shouldn't it be that way? Here's how this is going to work. We've been traveling all over the country down the highways and the hedges collecting the real stories of real people who live and work over the road. You got eight episodes for you and each one we explore. How trucking is changing today? And along the way I'll tell you a few of my own stories eck I might even sing you few songs Too Bad so far. Let's start out at a place. Called the Kentucky Expo Center in Louisville home to the mid America trucking show or mats for short think of a Home Depot about twelve times. Its normal size. Then fill it with trucks truck drivers and every possible thing. Anyone is ever thought of to make a buck off a trucker automatic snow. Change what we're selling heaters for truckers that have cabs telling ninety thousand people with some concerts and swag. And you've got the mid America trucking. Show your you've got your air freshener dues odor eliminator products for the highway professionals. Not Those guys. We say three sprays last for days. Tell me about this beef jerky he's got those all boys make the beef jerky you'll ever eat that really tender. Actually those two. We Are Insurance Company specializing. The owner operators or the international vendors hoping to land that pig contract. Shchelkonogov are big truck. Makers are here. Like Kenmore's and Peterborough Five. Seventy Nine ultra loft in its black Monte truckmaker proud to tell people I can't afford a real one but I can hook you up with a real nice toiling we but for many longtime gear jammers that signifies something more. It's a Hobo convention of sorts. A chance to see all trucking buddies and to swap stories. And that's why we're here if you want to know what's going on in the trucking world. This is a good place to start but first let's cover some basics. There are four point two million Americans who hold a CDL that's a commercial driver's license a CDL allows us to drive a vehicle weighing over twenty six thousand pounds together. We lose seventy percent of all domestic freight. Think of it everything you she had the store everything you buy online moves by truck at some point at it all up. We're talking about a seven hundred billion dollar industry moving literally fifty five billion pounds of stuff every day at that rate. American truckers could haul off the great pyramid of Giza Stone by stone about five times a day. Of course there are lots of different types of truckers and trucks out there. Refrigerator FREIGHT TRUMPET. Collar REEFA throats. You know like what I drive flatbed. We should call them skateboards. Us Big flat trailers with loads of lumber and steel. All the Collar Park Bedbug as a furniture holler tanker trump we call tanker ganger. I drive one of those sometimes to stroke the. How board a haulers? There's all kinds of terminology for them as you can imagine. We have our own factions. Clicks and hierarchies flat betters don't usually associated with a reefer guys like me and the ball. Haulers could never see themselves as freight haulers or door swingers. Has They call them? Because all a door swinger does as backup to the dock and swing the doors open and shut off our show. They say but here for three days at least none of that matters. We're all just drivers and not a one of us. Came here to have a bad time. Volvo dynamic steering with stability assist is a new innovation from Volvo. Trucks allowed the talk mets this year. There's about new technology when a truck starts to skin it seems every part of the truck has got a computer. Now who's been concedes turned on even the seat notice how much of the bouncing is limited. By the active suspension seats computer controlled motor. And there's a feeling the technology is not just changing the truck but it's changing us and the way we do business that the codes and culture of trucking are eroding before is we met are just real like I think last clump into a facebook friend on the show floor named Greg Murphy. Now works for Uber through a resume if oh this is never going to happen. Yes the rideshare company Hoover and here I am now Greg. You you have a unique story because you are a longtime truckdriver exactly. Ashby come like the public relations as on for Uber. It's exactly kind of the interpreter. Be I would call it between the trucking community and Uber freight crank is affable middle aged or the salt and pepper beard and a cool Fedora. More truckdriver than computer person. That's for sure all around. Him is a veritable. Phalanx of UBER'S BLACK-SHIRTED MILLENNIALS. But Greg speaks fluent trucker and so he pulls out his phone and shows me okay. Another middle aged guy in yet another. Fidora go here. It is opens up how to UC UBER FREE APP. And it knows that I'm in Louisville today so now thinking about it and so it has these little cards for each load right so incentive connecting cars with riders. Uber frame is connecting. Touched loads greg. If you would so this one is from Walton Kentucky to Los Alamos California for three thousand seventy. That's the pressure this loop eighteen hundred miles. It has trailer load number and all that What it is wait all I have to do tap that card and the load is mine. Phone calls no haggling technologies coming and it's We need to embrace it and and be part of the conversation. I have to wonder them at three thousand bucks on the State of distance of eighteen. Hundred Miles doesn't know. Haggle simply mean. Take it or leave it who have no choice. I'm going to confess to you. There is a primal fear about the power of a company like test. I think change overall is just difficult for people to embrace. It's unfamiliar. We don't know what is going to look like. And that creates anxiety said truckers are embracing new technology and using it for their own benefit. You've got quite a hat collection way back when I gave myself heatstroke by being stupid Sandra Goshi. Basically you tell them how the people were treated you if you were professional if there was a bathroom that you could use because there's a lot of places that don't allow trucker Caesar Bathroom. She's told me. About doc four one one. It's a reading basically like yelp for loading docks you kind of helped the trucker after you or the person after you. They've surveyed over ten thousand truckers about their experiences. Sandra here is talk. Four one. One number one reviewer if they have forklifts that Ye sportclips On her some of the other attributes Stephen that you can think of if there's overnight parking if you can sleep there and the overnight parking. Sandra drives us a team with her husband. Stephen was awesome. How you were treated professional. If if I was to read the review that I put in for this one doc I would never take freight into the stock. We went in there the first time and we waited three hours to get unloaded which that's okay. Second time we went in there. We waited thirteen hours. No bathrooms no facilities and couldn't leave. The truck refuse like that or ended up and turned into a scorecard for every dock. They do business with DOC forewoman. It's one of those things that it's like. It's never going to be complete because there's always going to be new docks but it's going to be a big relief taller structures do but they're still another technology on truckers minds. At Matt's this year right now log something much more consequential than a new APP electronic log situations become a pretty big issue is called an E. D. mandate has electric walking vice versa. Log I mean most of the time we log on the biggest thing. This log issue is all playing out right now and pretty much the biggest change. That's come to our culture since I started. Trucking Back No. Hundreds of big rigs took over highway ninety nine in protest today. Creating truckers have even put on protests about ninety five. Southbound is shut down one of those things that just keeps coming up in our conversations with drivers so on our first day at Matt's we find ourselves at the vintage. Meru peterbilt someone who's been at the center of so much of the protests. Yeah so My Name's Mike Landes from lititz Pennsylvania Amish country town and Lancaster County I got into truckin right out of high school pretty much. I got my CD L. After I graduated first time I got behind the wheel driving school. The local Vo Tech it was all downhill from. There are all about how truckers record. They're driving and working hours. So yeah we have What the car hours of service which is Once you come on duty you're allowed fourteen hours of working time Eleven of that fourteen can be driving. But then you have to take ten hours off before you can go back to work so every day you get fourteen hours on duty and you have to take ten hours off. Problem with that is is that once you start your day. Your clock for the day doesn't stop in the past. Those hours recorded in paper logbooks. Every driver kept a set of books in the cab recorded their time with a pen on a four line grid and made that log available to inspectors and state patrol basically regulated yourself so to me. That's important because I was taught old way of trucking. You do what you gotTa do to get the job done. But you sleep when you're tired and you know you truck when you're awake if you took a quick nap and your shift or ran a little over the time limit. You could chuckle. That cleric I mean you. Don't turn into a Zombie. Just because you're five minutes past your time and fall asleep and drive off side road then you could chuckle it until the electronic logging device and basically what that does it hooks into the computer on the motor of the truck and it records? Everything you do. I on how hard you're on a throttle. How hard break. And you're moving your stop your speed the whole nine yards. It counts down every second of your day so whereas before on a paper logbook. If you're five minutes past your time pointing the truck stop. Nobody knew the difference. No harm no foul. But now I mean I've seen people backed halfway in a parking spot and truck stops already because if they finish backing up there he's going to put them in violation to go another fifty feet back drunk up in no parking spot. You hear stories like this all the time truck speech like Wales and the most God awful places because their drivers round of ours. You've probably seen those trucks yourself. That's because in December twenty seventeen a new mandate came into effect requiring. Virtually all trucks on the road to run an electronic log and to me it's a slap in the face driving a truck at eighteen years old. I'm now thirty. Three closing in on two million miles. I have a clean driving record to me. All comes down to the way I was taught that comes down to the responsibility of knowing you're operating an eighty thousand pound machine the fact that they're going to tell me that. I need this thing in my truck to keep me safe on. The road doesn't sit well with me at all. I I hear you loud and clear I we we do these checks Ohio Texas Florida. Triangles a lot denise Stepmother is dying. She's in Louisiana Nursing Home and we want to see her. She's days away from dying literally days away from that and I'm on the L. D. A. We stopped to see her and essentially. We've got to say our goodbyes to her in about forty five minutes because our fourteen hour clock is ticking and I just have this moment of complete clarity that something's gotta give and there's a lot of people that will say. Hey that's not true. They don't force you to drive tired. They don't force you to not take a shower. Yada Yada Yada well. I mean you're right. The thing doesn't reach up and grab me and tell me I need to keep trucking but the sad reality is they kind of do now. I should say here that Mike does not run any log. The reason might drug don't need one is because the cutoff date is two thousand and newer. Need them ninety nine and older do not. So it's ninety nine peterbilt's just to all to connect to a computer. But Mike has done more than just. Avoid the new regulation. It's actually fighting it. So we started United States Transportation Alliance and The unique thing about us is that all of us are drivers that met through doing protest type stuff for the industry and nobody out here. That is making these rules or regulations or pushing for rules or regulations have ever sat behind the wheel for any amount of time and definitely not anytime recently. So you know when we go to DC and we go every month right now we park our trucks we meet with Congressmen and senators. Fmcsa that's the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. Truckload carriers we've met with the teamsters So it's been it's been a pretty good thing and we were fortunate enough to help with the hours of service. That are supposed to be changed. I'm actually expecting an announcement here at Matt's for that. In fact the keynote speaker for the weekend is none other than Elaine Chao. The United States Secretary of Transportation So we're hoping that has to do with that realize things change with the times and technology game goes mismatch young thing but truck and still trucking and I chose me personally. I chose to drive a truck because I grew up around trucks and I love trucks and for me you know. It sounds kind of Corny but the other week I was invited to concert by someone that we know Backstage and stuff. Afterwards you're hanging out and like watching this guy on stage you could tell. He was just in his zone. And I said the best way I could describe watching you on stage like me riding across the California Arizona Desert with a truck pressed out in the moonlit chicken lights on just pipe singing and cruising and some people are like what I don't get it. You're just driving a truck down the road and I'm Mike Gabum to me. It's more than just driving a truck down the road. You know it's the freedom of it and that's kind of being taken away as what the bad part is if we don't do anything to help fight this stuff guys like me are going to be gone after the break here that big announcement from Elaine Chao but first we venture out onto the parking lot at Matt's we'll hear why this log thing is such a big deal and I'll tell you what gave me and how. Ld's lead at least indirectly to the making of this podcast. Hey folks todd dills here. I'm the senior editor with overdrive magazine. Which is helping to produce this podcast for those of you are new. This trucking world overdrive is basically a trade publication for independent truckers ones. Who owned the rigs hall with for? Many years. We've called ourselves the voice of the American trucker in so part of what we wanted to do with this podcast to actually build a little bridge between the highway. Haulers read overdrive and well the uninitiated among you. Some going to be hosting a special series of mini episodes row. Take questions from those of you outside the business and put them directly to our trucking listeners. We're calling it. The Channel One nine special after the CB radio channel used for trucker to trucker information sharing the first channel. One nine episode will show up in your feed next week. But I'm dropping out. Ask a quick favor if you've got questions about trucking seriously about anything at all having to do with it no question is too simple or too strange give us a call at seven six five two four five four eight four four and leave us a message again. Seven six five two four five four eight four four. Be Sure to state your name and location with your question. And thanks okay. So back to the mid America trucking show. I want to pick things up the next morning. Outside in the parking lot or drivers are busy polishing their trucks. I love truck and it's a lifestyle. It's not job lifestyle. There are actually two parking. Lots of chuck set manse each with its own vibe. There's this show and Papa John's lot we'll explain. West called that in a minute but the show lot is home to the Paul key young truck beauty championship. And that's where we start our day. My Name's Debbie Jones. I'm working on excessive behavior. Number one name is Eric. Turner neighbor my truck. Show talk boost pressure down here for your term. You want to check out my scrapbook trigger valve. This is a place where trucks have names. The ghost is a nineteen ninety six freightliner plastic exile part of the family says my big girl. Phyllis his little girls stay tuned. Those little amber bulb we call chicken lights very drought rival on and they won't crawling white carpeting wood floors that you wouldn't Florida you get it from Home Depot really old for the competition itself. Trucks are organized into different sections marked off with plastic gross. Oh there are categories like antique custom limited. Mileage bobtail working class bobtail working combo meaning. I put miles on my trip. My favorite the antique original. I cut my teeth on trucks. The Trans Star International. There's nothing like the. Am radio reception on an all. Steel made old school western star. There are teams who work an entire year to prep a truck for this show of guys Polish on it for a day and a half and they're still rubbing now live loveth. Breathe it bleed it if you believe as I do that a truck can be a work of art and this is the Guggenheim. There's a lot of history there. Lots of our lives has been spent in it under it over and everything squirrel. No jury we've done in this job. How much would you effort chuck? Right two hundred green. Let's sort of installment plan. Would you consider we couldn't do that? I figured I guess as we leave the show lot. I know that two hundred Grand Peter. Bill will never be mind. Let's face it. I'm more of a papa. John's type this lot serves a University of Louisville Football Stadium formerly known as Papa John's Stadium. The university dropped that name after the pizza. Magnate found himself in hot water but for truckers the shorthand stuck in any case picture a stadium parking lot with rows upon rows of tractor trailers. Only thing is these aren't show trucks. These are just the trucks. People drove here to attend the one with the shoestrings on the Stern. What's the statute of limitations? Are All out here now. With our camping chairs gas grills and coolers walking their dogs Kentucky Spring Air. Maybe the biggest tailgate and all of trucking. Big enough that you can actually lose your target. Were at the show. I didn't see a single person I knew down here. In steerage it's different. I'm digging that new chrome bumper weren't tell you what happened. The last was it a deer. No defense I remember that the hour at me. What's his name in the back of my head? Later that night there's even an impromptu concert let's get back to it now and guess who gets invited to sing flat better show there any flat better okay. Great Yeah and the in another side Gig. I'm a singer Songwriter. Well we had a friend he. He fell deeply in love with a female flat better. But when she learned that he pulled a refir- she rejected him because he didn't know how you know the chains and the binder and it's called on never run that back door anymore. She died down and drop me on NASCAR more took her teen and put it in and says you couldn't live with the guilt. What we've done in that Pete about now never back again in a way concerts like this. Reenactment of a bygone age on drivers would be laid over at some truckstop. Someone would bring out a grill. Someone would contribute a case of beer. Someone Mike Commandeer a chicken or two off their load someone just have a good tar. Your door swinger live. Maybe that's why this log thing is such a big deal because there just doesn't seem to be time for those encounters anymore and maybe that's why I still come back here to hear the stories. The stories had seduced me ended. This live so long ago. Started driving in eighty-eight hall now to Mississippi Furniture that same night. We talked to guiding Tim. Ed they will tell you rack. Quick light if you cannot turn five thousand miles away. We don't need you. We've got a stack applications over here. This thing we can replace you tomorrow. And of course you take dope you know our take grail of good crate. Nope and I would do. I'd ever three or four hundred miles for some there really. Was this dark side to the old days. I mean taking whatever drugs you can take to stay awake. Stories like this of trucking's wilder days really aren't that hard to come by around here. We were stopped exit. Thirty and Tennessee. Ace Two hundred ever Jay for some reason favorite now more than ever. Thank we've been hurting onto the digital reservation of the law like we have to tell these stories. I remember one time. I went all the way to Boston out trying to get through traffic trying to get back Massachusetts state. Police pulled me over. He pats pockets. I had a cargo pants. The the bottle was down at the bottom of it. He missed it. I could have got years in penitentiary then so I go down to the rest area Rhode Island and I celebrate not Doobie two lines. It's not just to get back but the it was it to get high. It was a job it was for your work. It wasn't recreational turning miles turning bird. How'd you get off of that stuff? There's three ways you get off crank meth jail the grave. Jesus how's it ever and I've been up two or three days when I pray. God you know help me. And he spoke to me. They said it's up to you is through the grace of God that I got off of it. So you're now you're off. The crank prayed God's intervene. What do you tell your boss at needs? Five thousand miles a week out from you told me I can't do it. I work for myself. I'm older operator down. He delivered from that aspect too. Now I won't do. They got up and delivered. Ma I got my I E L D back in Twenty. Sixteen a few months after that Watermelon Rack. I told you about a Knoxville. The plea worked for announced. We would roll out an analog pilot program. Guinea pigs were needed. Something about Knoxville. Jarred me more than it should have for years. I had pushed myself to the limit produce Holler and had never been bothered by the what ifs but after Knoxville. It just seemed like my nine wives were at that time the log felt like kind of a way out of all that so. I let Brenda our safety officer. No I would give it a try. That's right folks. I'm all in tears. When the day came they trained me on how to operate the dog which recorded the trucks data straight onto basic samsung tablet. The company told me not to go crazy on Netflix. And all five win now carting around this brand new tablet. I started recording. Some of my songs and posting them on Youtube. Came to me in a dream. Mackie's I also began writing about my experience of being an old trucker who had to make the log switch. I mostly did this as a Cathartic exercise but to win. I sent some of these ramblings to an editor overdrive magazine named Todd Bills. You heard from todd earlier. Todd wound up giving me a shot on this blog. Now on this podcast. So at the risk of being shunned by all my trigger friends. I have to say in a way I all to locks limit to ask. Great a sin is ruling Downer. Watch good band with a shoebox song pushing that tens of sleeping but enough about me all weekend. Drivers are waiting for that big update. Mike was telling us about on the new rules for logs. What we call hours of service. Yeah we've had a few people sign up to be members and stuff so far while we've been Glenda's even has a booth set up on. The showroom floor of Matt dropped a couple thousand dollars out of my own company to build the booth. Truck did here and whole crew. Here dressed in their matching black shirts. Go Get the word out there. People who we are and what we're doing and what better place to do it where there's thousands of truck drivers at one spot. It's been a year now should see. L. D. mandate went into effect. And we're all feeling in one way or the other so I sit through long seminars by government administrators but no news then on our last day at Matt's Transportation Secretary. Elaine Chao gets up to give us the keynote address the dot has something to say. This would be the time but right away. The power goes out eventually comes back. Say why she gets to what we're all waiting to hear me and the department moving forward with the next step which is a rulemaking garden. So I can't let me department still nothing. No news civility serious. Just then alarm sounds some tell us instead? The speech turns to the usual platitudes homes. Were I'm so tired of that. Line read are Blah Blah Blah. Word without really saying much of anything at all. Elaine Chao Edsall farewell address the mid America trucking show closed the next day shell trucks drove out in formation while the Papa. John's lot gradually disbanded. Matt's was done but we're just getting started. We're going to keep following this L. D. issue across the series. We'll hear how Mike Landes brought his fight to the streets of Washington. Dc and found unlikely allies in the process for some context. We'll go deep into the history of trucking with one of my favorite writers. We'll hang out at truck stops and meet the families of charters to understand how this business affects the people around us and we'll pair into where the trucks may just drive themselves. But first we're going to Grand Island Nebraska to find out why anyone would want to drive a truck in the first place. I was intrigued and so I called her up and I said No. Now come again about the truck driving. What did you say thanks to? Everyone entrusted us with their stories. We'll catch you again over the Momma said and his son you know you can become whatever you want to be so by Mild Chris Brown and hers for her to see what became the CEO. Nineteen years old. I was wrestling bowling. Highway call me one day. Now it's down on the blood and a rose acuff flood in a way Particu a lot of people are make a podcast. I'm going to tell you about. All of them are over. The road pit crew include producer and sound designer Ian Costs and contributing producer. Lacy Roberts at transmitter media are editor for overdrive magazines. Todd dill's our digital producer is Erin Wade. Our project manager is Audrey Markevic and our executive producer for radio. Topa his Julie Shapiro. I'm long Homa Paul. All the music on the show is by in costs and myself featuring performances by travis. A snake man woman terry to SOx Richardson the late. Great Roger Clark Jan Golic Jim Whitehead and Andrew Marshall Additional Engineering by Donnie Golic and Muscle Shoals Alabama on special thanks to these drivers and vendors whose voices you heard throughout jd. Howard of the Ohio Great Lakes Regions atlanta-based Small Fleet on her operator Eric Turner Daniel Philip's snow of the goose freightliner. Classic Chad Bottle from Kentucky Horse Country Robert Poem Creator of Truckers Final Mile Dot Org Christopher Brunette Burnett farm toys and Debbie Dingle Desert. They also heard from Devry Jones. Jason Early Wind James Range. Bobby Davis fellow singing truckers. Brad James Taylor Barker and that Jake Break Junkie himself. Terrence Mathis over. The road is made possible by support from the folks. I've worked for for a really long time. Muller trucking now celebrating over thirty years of safe and reliable transportation for the food industry for more information. Check out molar. Trucking DOT com over. The road is a collaboration between overdrive night is NPR XS. Radio Tokyo a collection of the best independent podcasts. Around I've turned a lot of overnight. Reefer loads listen to shows like the Memory Palace and criminal seriously find out more about the whole network AP Radio Toby Dot. Fm Look for overdrive magazine overdrive online dot com or you can read. Todd's channel nineteen log the overdrive Radio. Podcast and explorer. More about trucking. You can find over the road online at over the road dot. Fm sure to follow us on all those usual platforms to facebook twitter and instagram and over-the-road pod. You can see some of my videos on Youtube by looking for the long haul Paul Music. Thanks for listening hanging in until the end of the run be back next week with a Channel One nine special then in two weeks with more stories from over the road roundnose Iran around here. Some they were follow on the fall. Sunday would squander in the sand. 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November 19, 2018

POLITICO Playbook Audio Briefing

01:25 min | 2 years ago

November 19, 2018

"Good Monday morning and happy thanksgiving week. I'm Jake Sherman and welcome to your political playbook audio briefing sponsored by h and R Block Congress's out and the president is headed tomorrow Lago. Tomorrow got a first playbook this morning the lineup for Harvard's congressional orientation one of the hallmarks for new members of congress. Speakers include Gary Cohn who served as President Trump's top economic advisor. Transportation secretary Elaine Chao and former Defense Secretary ash Carter on the twenty twenty front. Our colleague David ciders has a piece up about how beta Aurore has blown up the twenty twenty democratic primary donors and potential campaign. Aides are waiting to see what he decides speaking of twenty twenty Mike Bloomberg has an op Ed in the New York Times where he explains why he's giving one point eight billion dollars for college financial aid. He's giving that gift to Johns Hopkins, his alma mater, Michelle Cottle, the New York Times editorial board member has a piece up about how Democrats should get fighting over Nancy Pelosi out of their system the. Wall Street Journal also has a piece of about how John Bolton is shaping president Donald Trump's priorities. Mark Zuckerberg is taking a more aggressive personal style. Telling top aides that the company is at war that according to the Wall Street Journal. Here's what's on tap for Trump's Monday. He and Milania Trump will participate in the delivery of the White House Christmas tree at one PM. He's having lunch with ice. President Mike Pence at one thirty subscribe to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook.

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Jane Mayer On How Mitch McConnell Became Trump's 'Enabler-In-Chief'

Fresh Air

48:48 min | 6 months ago

Jane Mayer On How Mitch McConnell Became Trump's 'Enabler-In-Chief'

"From whyy in Philadelphia. I'm terry gross with fresh air today. The enabler in chief. That's how Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell is described in Jane Mayer's latest New Yorker article. We'll talk with mayor about how. Mcconnell has thrown his support behind the president and allowed trump to diminish congressional power in spite of the fact that trump and McConnell are opposites in several ways sources. Tell mayor that. Mcconnell doesn't even like trump she says McConnell's refusal to rain and trump is looking riskier than ever for McConnell and some critics argue that McConnell bears a singular responsibility for how the virus has spread killing Americans and decimating the economy later. Tv critic David Dooley will review. This Sunday's series finale of homeland and the return of the series penny dreadful support for this podcast comes from the Neubauer family foundation supporting. Whyy's fresh air. And its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation. President Trump's enabler in chief is Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell according to a new article by my guest Jane Mayer in The New Yorker. She writes that McConnell's refusal to rain and trump is looking riskier than ever for McConnell and has cost him the respect of some powerful pupil who have known him. The longest McConnell has been Senate majority leader since two thousand fifteen and was minority leader from two thousand six to two thousand fourteen. He's now running for his seventh term and the race appears to be very close. Jane Mayer is the New Yorkers chief Washington correspondent covering politics culture and national security. Her latest book is the two thousand sixteen bestseller dark money. The hidden history of the billionaires behind the rise of the radical. Her Article enabler in chief is in the April twentieth of the New Yorker. Jane Mayer Welcome back to fresh air. You're right that some critics say McConnell bears a singular responsibility for the predicament. We're in now with the corona virus because McConnell knew from the start that trump was not equipped to lead in a crisis and McConnell protected. Him anyways give us a couple of examples of how McConnell has protected trump. Well I think the thing that people notice the most is that during the impeachment hearing during the trial in the Senate McConnell was instrumental in making sure that there were no witnesses who could testify against president trump and that really saved him in many ways. So that's one of the main things but I think if you stand back one of the people I interviewed in the story who I think made a terrific point. Is Bill Kristol the conservative? Who's now become an anti-trump voice and what he points out is that trump is not managing to stay in power only because of his base. He's there in part because of the moneyed interests that are keeping him there. He's there because big donors are supporting him. Many wealthy finance people are supporting him. The editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is supporting him. The Fox serve empire of Rupert. Murdoch is supporting him. There are elites powerful elites who are keeping trump in power and the connection between trump and those elites is often the Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell. Who has a terrific sort of connections with the big donors and the big money in this country? What are some of the things? Mcconnell could be doing to correct the president's falsehoods misinformation lies contradictions that McConnell hasn't called out trump. For what could he be doing to prevent those kinds of misstatements misinformation from being constantly reiterated among other things he could be speaking out he could be himself a voice that corrects the president when the president is wrong but also under the constitution? The Senate has a separate function. It's not there simply to enable the executive branch to hold power? It's there to be a check on the executive branch so what the Senate is not doing is performing oversight. A simple example of that is there are so many positions now in the trump administration. They're being held by acting members of the administration who've not been subjected to confirmation by the Senate instead of raising a stink about this and insisting on the Senate's right to confirm and consent to these appointments McConnell's just rolling over and enabling the administration to keep all of these acting people in place without any kind of confirmation which gives them the president tremendous power over these members of his administration because they don't have their jobs in full they're just they're at his behest That's just one example. But there's all kinds of oversight that's not being performed. I mean there are many allegations of corruption. In the trump administration. Ordinarily the Congress should be holding hearings on that and looking into it Demanding witnesses from the administration come and testify. The Senate is not doing any of that kind of role and it's also not legislating for the most part it is simply doing one thing that McConnell really cares about the most which is Confirming judges president trump has usurped some of Congress's power. He issues executive orders like the travel ban tariffs. He declared a national emergency in order to transfer federal funds to the border wall. He's block congressional subpoenas. He didn't cooperate with the impeachment inquiry. As as you pointed out so he's decreasing the power of congressional oversight as you pointed out and I've been mystified about why Mitch. Mcconnell has accepted that why he hasn't opposed the limitations that trump has basically put on Congress. The power trump has taken away from from the Senate so you mentioned that President. Trump is appointing conservative judges. And that's going to be one of McConnell's chief legacies when he leaves office that's been one of his goals as conservative judges. But are there other reasons why? Mcconnell is allowing the president to limit his own power to limit McConnell's own power as Senate majority leader. Well two reasons principally one is that. Mcconnell is in many ways getting everything for his donors that his donors want You know he represents the big money in the Republican Party and The donors are getting tax breaks as was evident in the two thousand seventeen tax bill where eighty percent of the large s in that tax. Bill all the goodies went to the top one percent of earners in the United States. And there's also if you take a look at the agencies he's going along with all kinds of deregulatory moves. That are good for the big money in the Republican Party. So he's giving his donors what they want. The donors then provide money for him and his Senate allies to get reelected there. So there's that sort of backscratching system going on and then the other factor is just that like the other senators Mcconnell is afraid of the Republican base. He's afraid to cross it because he's afraid that it will hurt his reelection chances. And if you look at Kentucky. President trump is far more popular in Kentucky Than Senator. Mcconnell is and so when he takes on trump as he has once or twice in interesting ways over the years particularly in in the summer of two thousand seventeen. You can see McConnell's own popularity ratings drop because the Republican voters in Kentucky want him to support trump and so he has a choice of saving his own skin or standing up on principle. And what you can see that he's doing is choosing his own his own political self interest. Instead of standing up for the country and for democracy. Some people have told you you know that people who've worked closely with him that McConnell doesn't really like trump and that he doesn't believe trump is competent to hold office but yet he supporting him. What are some of the things people have told you who know McConnell well about what McConnell really thinks of trump this was? It was so interesting. I mean what you find out if you report closely around in the circle That's right around. Mcconnell people who talked to him and people he confides in is that behind trump's back. He says he detests him. Can't stand him. He thinks he's smarter than trump and he has said that trump is nuts and he also has likened trump to a politician who McConnell loathes and. That's Roy Moore The former chief judge in Alabama. Who ran for the Senate and WHO Famously is somebody who McConnell can't stand. He's a demagogue. Who has a very checkered serve personal life? And and McConnell has said of trump. Oh He's just like Roy Moore so so you can see. His eyes are open in a way. You know it's damning in the sense that it shows that he knows better but he's had to recreate this public image that he's supporting trump and in fact he has formed a kind of an alliance with Romp just to keep both of them in power. Basically I don't know if you want to talk about this. But there were two political scientists who I interviewed who have been looking at this phenomenon as a sort of a political theory which they call plutocratic populism. Yeah describe it so that political scientists are Jacob Hacker and Paul Pearson? And they've got a new book coming out that's called. Let them eat tweets and what it talks about. Is this phenomenon that they call plutocratic populism the idea? Is that the plutocrats in the country. The big money Have an agenda in the Republican Party tax cuts for the super-rich and deregulations on polluting industries. And that sort of thing is just not broadly popular and so to win elections. They've got to form an alliance that broadens the coalition to get voters. And so what? They've done is struck up a kind of inexpedient packed with lower educated white nationalists who are attracted to the populist rhetoric that takes on the elites and says the system is rigged and that minorities are getting ahead of them. A lot of the rhetoric assertive tinged with racism. And so you had this strange bifurcated alliance going on where you've got actual elites Some of the richest serve corporate powers in the country having alliance with the people who feel themselves left out and sort of stepped on that coalition is very much represented in these two people. Mitch McConnell represents the plutocrats and trump represents the populists and so they have to work together to get reelected neither of them Scott enough popularity on their own to win an election but if they unite they can win reelection even if they detest each other these political scientists said and it. It seems in some ways they do. Mcconnell is one of the wealthiest people in the Senate and Kentucky is one of the poorest states in the country. There's a really interesting billboard that there's a photograph of in the magazine in the New Yorker in your piece. Do you want to describe that billboard? Yeah it's a it's a billboard with a big blown up picture of Mitch McConnell and his wife Elaine Chao and they're in their black tie kind of going out Regalia and underneath it. The sign says we're rich. How y'all doing and the obvious messages Mitch? Mcconnell and his wife are doing very very well but the state of Kentucky which is extremely poor is not doing well under McConnell's representation in all these years in the Senate for it so it reflection also the fact that McConnell has become one of the richer members of the Senate during these years he was not born rich and he came actually a pretty hard scramble family at least on his mother's side Had MIDDLE CLASS UPBRINGING. But at one point in his life he shed his first wife and announced to friends who quoted in the story by name that he had a plan which was he wanted to find a rich wife. He had a mentor. Who'd married rich and he said he wanted to be like this man. I'm John Sherman Cooper. Who was also a senator from Kentucky said? He was going to look for a rich wife. And the person who told me the story remembering the dinner. When McConnell announced this set and boy did he ever find one and the woman that he found was Elaine? Chao who is an heiress to a very lucrative shaping maritime shipping company that her father founded and built so. I want to get back to McConnell as getting out of his relationship with trump. Mcconnell's wife Elaine. Chao Secretary of transportation is that one of the things. Mcconnell is out of the relationship is I don't mean to ask that in a sex way like she's a woman therefore she wasn't hired for her own ability but It is you know it's mighty handy for Mitch McConnell to have a wife. Who is the Secretary of Transportation? Let's just face the facts here. The Transportation Department hands out tons and tons of grants to every state that allow the whoever's in office to say I brought you this bridge. I fixed this road for you. It's a place where patronage takes place And so it's very nice for Mitch. Mcconnell to have that relationship he's been accused by politico of having set up a situation where his wife is favoring Kentucky giving it more grants than other states There's an internal investigation taking place within the Transportation Department of this. Elaine Chao so people have denied it. Mitch McConnell. Interestingly didn't deny it he made an ad boasting about it. Saying you see I bring you more stuff in Kentucky than anybody else has and what I discovered when I was reporting was that Mitch. Mcconnell was very important in getting Elaine. Chao that job as soon as trump was elected Mitch. Mcconnell was on the phone reaching out to the people in the trump administration saying Elaine Chao would like to be the secretary of Transportation and Lo and behold she got the job you know and another thing about what. Mcconnell is getting out other relationship with trump or why he is not standing up to trump some of McConnell's major donors are reportedly Fox News executives including Rupert Murdoch. And his son Lachlan. Murdoch does that mean that. Mcconnell is reluctant to call out some of the things that trump echoes. Here's on Fox News. Well it it. Certainly is a very sticky relationship in the most recent filing period at the F. E. C. Which just these numbers. That just came out. They showed that four of Mitch. Mcconnell's top five disclosed contributors are executives at Fox News. So there's a working relationship there certainly Fox has all kinds of regulatory Needs and issues that the government can help it with and Mitch. Mcconnell of course wants to keep the dollars flowing to himself so it's a very close in financial relationship there you can at least say that An interesting one. You're that McConnell is losing the support and maybe even the respect of some people who have been close to him a long time some powerful people one of the people you single out here is David Jones. The late CO founder of Humana the healthcare giant and he backed off McCain Senate campaigns and Jones and Humana gave four point six million dollars to the McConnell Center at the University of Kentucky in Louisville in three days before Jones died. He and his two sons sent the second of two letters letters. You describe as scorching letters to McConnell and they share those letters with you. Can you read us? An excerpt of what was in those letters. Basically David Jones senior. The CO founder of Humana who? Mcconnell had actually called without exaggeration. The single most influential friend and mentor. I've had in my entire career after he died. So this is a man who McConnell has said. He's tremendously close to actually had written him to letters along with his sons in which he called on McConnell to do his job basically as the Senate stand up for the Senate stop letting it be a bystander and to use his quote Unquote Constitutional Authority to protect the nation from president. Trump's incoherent and incomprehensible international actions the letter writers that the Jones family argued that the powers of the Senate to constrain an errant or prodigious and it is your job to put them to use. They got an answer back to their first letter to Senator McConnell who they'd known well personally there all from Louisville and the letter back from Connell. Basically sort of was the pat on the head saying. Don't you worry? President trump had one of the finest national security teams that he had ever had the honor to work with few months later. The same people that David Jones senior his son David Jones junior and Dave Jones Juniors Brother Matthew Jones sent another letter pointing out that half that national security team by then had either quit or been fired are in some other way sort of jettison saying. Are you still telling us that? You have confidence in this president and then wrote an even more scorching letter back to McConnell. Saying do something. Basically stand up to this president What's the point? They asked of confirming judges if the Republicans crumbling around it they did not get an answer to that letter from Senator McConnell David Jones Senior Died right around the time it was sent and and McConnell's office has not Responded to requests for comment about this but I think what you see in this. That's to me so fascinating is that these people are not. They are not liberal. Democrats Dave Jones senior was again one of the strongest supporters of Mitch McConnell in his entire career and he is astounded and disappointed in McConnell for not standing up for the constitutional role that the Senate should play and pushing back against the president that they see as kind of ruinous to the country. Mcconnell has also apparently lost the political support of his three daughters yeah He has three grown daughters and one of them. In particular porter McConnell the youngest one who has a I think a graduate degree in political science is actually fascinating to me. Anyway is a progressive activist. She works for an organization called. Take on Wall Street. She runs a campaign there for take on Wall Street. It's mostly labor unions who are pushing back hard against big money in American politics and against the sort of unfair role that they see as the power of the finance community in American politics and specifically take on Wall Street has gone after blackstone the gigantic private equity and Hedge Fund Company Finance Company on Wall Street. Which has been interestingly the biggest donors to her father's political campaigns and two groups that are allied with him so she's really going straight at her father's funding in in the kind of work that she's been doing. That's such an interesting contrast. I have to say that she did not grant me an interview so I was just going from reading online and talking to people who've have worked with her about the role that take on Wall Street is playing but it's hard to find a more sort of diametric bullseye. Hit against her father than some of the things that take on. Wall Street is writing. Let me reintroduce you here. If you're just joining us. My guest is Jane Mayer Chief. Washington correspondent for the New Yorker. Her latest article is called. Enabler in chief. It's about Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell will be right back after we take a short break. I'm Terry Gross. And this is fresh air. This message comes from. Npr sponsor capital one with capital one. A new savings account earns five times the national average. That's five times more savings toward that overdue home edition or maybe even an addition on that edition capital. One is helping you earn more towards your savings goals. This is banking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One? Na member FDIC. Let's get back to my interview with Jane. Mayer the New Yorkers chief Washington correspondent her latest article is about Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell it's called enabler in chief and it's all about Mitch McConnell's career in politics and how he has been achieved enabler of president trump. Jane Mayer is also the author of the two thousand sixteen bestseller dark money the hidden history of the billionaires behind the rise of the radical. Right you describe McConnell as the master of the Washington. Dc money machine and that nobody has done more than he has to engineer. The current campaign finance system in which billionaires and corporations have virtually no spending limits and self-dealing an influence peddling are common. How did he become the master of the DC Money Machine? Well of the things that was astonishing to me was he came into politics around the time of Watergate when there was a sort of a national outcry against corruption and against the role that big money was playing in American politics. There's big pushback going on. And in one thousand nine hundred seventy three. He was part of that pushback. He wrote editorial saying that. Money is a cancer on politics and that there needed to be public funding of presidential campaigns. I mean he sounded like a Liberal Democrat for about two minutes but pretty soon he started running for office himself and when he did his tune changed completely. So that by the mid seventies he was teaching a class in Louisville. It's kind of a night class on politics. And he told his class that were three things that you needed to succeed in politics and he wrote them on blackboard and then walked away to show the three things and the three things were the words money money money and that pretty much has been the theme of his career when I interviewed a lot of people about McConnell's rise what they said. Was You have a man here? Who Very Smart and very ambitious. But he doesn't have much charisma. It's not a great public speaker. He's not especially you know handsome looking or dynamic seeming he's great schemer great long-term Planner. B doesn't have a great public presence in particularly in the south. You need to be something of a showman. And he is not that so he needed money more than most people in politics to win. He was also running as a Republican in the south which used to be pretty solidly democratic. He served rode the wave of the Republican Party. Rising to power in a south and that took money too and so more than most people he's really relied on big money to keep himself in power and to keep his party in power because many of the policies that the Republican Party represents these days really are not if you look at polls popular across the board in the country so it takes other things to kind of keep the party in power. It takes things like big money and it takes things like gerrymandering and other kinds of advantages in the election. System you write that McConnell's former staffers running array of extensively independent spending groups many of which take tens of millions of dollars from undisclosed donors. Tell us more about that. So McConnell's been very involved in trying to destroy all the various kinds of campaign finance reforms that were passed since Watergate all the limits on spending and the limits that tried to disclose money so that the public can see where the money's coming from it kind of lead up to the citizens united fight that the Supreme Court ruled on in two thousand ten. That really was the beginning of striking down any kind of meaningful limits on controlling money. He's been involved in those fights in various organizations. He's in favor of more money in politics and he's been pretty outspoken about that and his aides have gone from working with him in the Senate to running many of the outside groups that sort of Vacuum up gigantic secret campaign contributions from the biggest businesses in the country. And you know you can see for instance that they are involved in groups like American crossroads crossroads. Gps and Various funds that help Republican senators get reelected. It's a system that they've built and it's a very powerful system that brings outside money an undisclosed money into getting the Republican candidates reelected. So it's money that gets Republican candidates reelected and in return the elected Republicans helped pass legislation. That favors big money. Yeah I mean it's somebody's described it as a self licking ice cream cone It's kind of a little circular process in a way where you've got aids that work for McConnell Who go off and become lobbyists. They represent the big industries that need favors from government. They give huge donations to get McConnell and other Republicans reelected and then McConnell and other Republicans do the bidding of these companies in Congress. They hold up legislation for instance that might do something about climate change on behalf of energy companies. That don't WanNa see American. Move Away from fossil fuels they hold up change on things like bringing down drug prices because they take a ton of money from big Pharma companies. They would say on their behalf just so we get in how they look at it they would say they believe in these companies they believe these companies are doing the right thing and they're happy to help them and they represent them because these are the people that they think are doing. Good things for America But whatever your perspective on it. What you can see is the the companies get the legislation. They need out of these representatives who have power in Congress part of the story surrounding Mitch. Mcconnell is that he. He used to be more idealistic. You looked for evidence of that and didn't find any I did. I spent months on the story. I interviewed I finally counted. It was upwards of one hundred ten people and I kept looking and looking to try to understand Mitch McConnell. You know what mixed somebody like this tick? Why does he want to hold power? What is he trying to do with it? What larger purpose does he have? What kind of principles does he have? And I kept talking to people to try to figure this out and finally one day I was really kinda racking my brains one day. I was interviewing someone who knows him very very well. And unfortunate can't reveal who this is but the person said to me they could see. I was struggling and the person said. Give up you know. I wish I could tell you that there was some secret thing he believes in but he doesn't and it kind of made me realize there isn't more there and that's what this person was saying. This is someone. Who's who's known him terrifically. Well it's all about winning for him. It's all about holding the power and keeping the power and and there were other people who said pretty much essentially the same thing who've known him for a long time. One of the people who was very forthcoming in the story was John. Yarmuth who is the Democratic Congressman From Louisville Kentucky who has known Mitch McConnell for fifty years and yard himself used to be a Republican back in the days when Republicans were more liberal and he eventually switched parties and became a Democrat but he had worked with McConnell on campaigns when they were both I think one campaign when they were both Republicans and what he said to me was I said was he ever idealistic and Congressman. Yarmuth said to me. Nah He never really was. I don't see any change in him. He said he always wanted to be someone but he never wanted to do anything. It's power for its own sake. Is the picture that comes together when you look closely at McConnell. And that's what he's doing with trump. I mean he's holding the power he staying in power no matter what is going on over in the White House because that's how this this alliance keeps both him in power in the president in power. Well let's take another break here if you're just joining us. 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Murthy says it's important to make space to just be simply spending five minutes just listening to the birds chirping or to the conversation around you solitude and ways to overcome loneliness on the next hidden brain from NPR. This is fresh air. Let's get back to my interview with Jane. Mayer she's the chief. Washington correspondent for the New Yorker. Her latest article is about Mitch McConnell and his relationship with president trump. And it's called enabler in chief. Meaning McConnell is trump's enabler in chief Mitch McConnell Married Elaine Chao in nineteen ninety-three it was his second marriage She's an heiress who is now trump's secretary of that's the position. She chose when she knew she would get a cabinet appointment. There are possible conflicts of interest. There when are they well? She would say there are not but her family has a privately owned shipping company that does Seventy percent of its business with China. It's a very lucrative company. It's based in New York earn. Her family are immigrants from China who've become American citizens they're American not Chinese now but they obviously have huge interest in the transportation arena and she is the secretary of transportation so there is the possibility of a conflict of interest there. And as you say McConnell helped smear Joe Biden by allowing senators to insist that the real Ukraine scandal was the Biden families enrichment for their connections with Ukraine's rulers and you say any criticism of the Biden family could be made about the Chow family. Give us some examples of what you mean. Not only could it be made of the family but what fascinated me was the same criticisms that have been made about the Biden. Family have been made about the child's family and in the same book and by the same author who sort of blew up the whole Biden scandal. This is Peter Schweitzer. Who's written a book called secret? Empires and one chapter is about the Biden families wheeling and dealing in Ukraine and the next chapter is about the child's family and Mitch McConnell's wheelings and dealings in China. And so anybody who wants to try to make an issue of this concede that they both have their problems What are the issues in the family? It's very complicated. The New York Times is actually done a fantastic series on this subject. A Mike foresight. Who really understands sort of China in and out has written it and I recommend anybody take a look at that if they want to get all of the details but in a simplistic form Elaine. Chao Sister Angela is now one of the people that runs the family company and she and her father both do at the same time they run this American shipping company. That does so much of its business with China. They have been on the board of the Bank of China which is a state run bank. That's incredibly important in China and Angela. Chow and her father have also sat on the board of a holding company. It's a state run holding company in China that owns the company that bills Chinese warships so it has a very strong connection with the Chinese military. And this is a really complicated and fraught kind of situation for the Senate majority leader in the US. Senate he is not running that company and Elaine Chao Tze not running the company. Her sister is but Mitch. Mcconnell and Elaine Chao have inherited twenty five million dollars of the fortune made by that company so there is a direct connection there and McConnell's sister-in-law Angela who CEO of the family businesses now married to a billionaire. Jim Brier WHO's adventure capitalists with US financial interests in China? Has He supported McConnell campaigns? Yes he has indeed Very strongly so you've got Jim. Bryer is now the brother-in-law of Mitch McConnell Jim buyers well known in the business world. He's a terrifically important and successful Venture capitalist and he is on the board of blackstone the same huge Wall Street finance group that has poured money into McConnell's campaigns so it manages something like a half a trillion dollars so McConnell is very connected in to some of the most powerful business interests in the world really at this point. So you're right about a position that McConnell took that in retrospect is very interesting. Now that we're in in a crisis with the a viral pandemic When McConnell tried to repeal obamacare the affordable care act he introduced an amendment to eliminate the prevention and Public Health Fund at the CDS. T. What is that fund do. And how is it related to the pandemic that we're experiencing now so that fund is money that it's about twelfth of the funding of the? It's almost a billion dollars and Mcconnell himself as you said introduced this amendment it's unusual for the majority leader to introduce an amendment himself but he did to eliminate the funding for those programs. Those programs provide funds to the state States all over the country among other things to detect outbreaks of epidemics and infectious diseases And to respond to them so you can see that there was a you know if he'd gotten his way the would have been even less ability of the states to work against a pandemic like the corona virus pandemic that we're dealing with the Democrats eventually kept some of the funding in there. It's less than two billion dollars that it was It's gone back and forth. Finally the Democrats In more recent years were given a choice of either putting money into that fund or funding cancer research and they went along with the cancer research that that funds been gutted a lot and McConnell the way what was just purpose in doing that he and Republicans have described that fund as a slush fund. They didn't like it. They made fun of it and said it was paying for preventive health measures. They've really been against. They claimed it was paying for things. Like zoom classes and tobacco awareness They they really didn't want to fund these kinds of preventive health programs and they wanted to save money and in fact one of the there's an epidemiologist who is quoted in the story who at the time along with many many health organizations warned. This was a disastrous move if they'd succeeded in wiping out that fund completely. She was saying her. Name's Judy Stone. You know you will not be able to fight back against things like Zeka and any kind of foreign epidemics and she. What she was saying was she felt. It was unconscionable to take that of money and put it into tax cuts for the two thousand seventeen tax bill that went to the richest people in the country and You know it's a question of priorities to that will happen in order to do the cutting taxes for the wealthy you had to make cuts including the CDC. It's certainly true that the two thousand seventeen tax cuts resulted in hugely reduced money coming into the federal government. And if you have to make up for those cuts somewhere you have to look across the board and see what you're going to cut and the thing that Mitch. Mcconnell suggested cutting was this fund at the CDC that was one twelfth of its funding. That's money that goes to the states. Mcconnell is now running for his seventh term as a senator from Kentucky he's running against Amy mcgraff And how's that election looking? Well it's early. It's hard to tell there have been some surprising things about it. Amy McGrath is a former marine fighter. Pilot she's not politically anywhere near as experienced. Obviously as McConnell is but McConnell's Forte's always raising money and so his campaign announced that they'd raised a just an unprecedented amount of money. I think it's something like twenty five or twenty six million dollars already and the next day a McGrath's campaign announced that they had raised even more so she's obviously raising a staggering. Amount of money. How this will come out. It's hard to tell the Cook political report which is You know pretty much the gold standard in analyzing these races gives the edge to McConnell. He's a very tough campaigner. He has a long history of artfully smearing. Any opponent to the point that nobody can stand to vote for them so we will see but right now. She's holding her own in the funding. What's at stake in that election? Well I mean I think what's at stake nationally right now is who will have the majority of the Senate. It was taken for granted. Maybe a half a year ago that the Republicans would continue to hold the majority in the Senate. That's been changed. The Cook. Political report has downgraded the Republican's chances of holding the Senate to a fifty fifty tossup. So it's possible that Republicans could lose the majority in. The Senate could go to the Democrats. If that were to happen it would be a new day in Congress because the Senate as as the story tries to explain is very much enabling Donald Trump's presidency if the senate were to stand up to donald trump if it were in democratic hands it would be a tremendous roadblock to trump's rural. Well Jane I wish you get health and your family is well. Thank you as always for talking with us. And thank you for your reporting Terry so good to be with you. Thank you so much. Jane Mayer is chief Washington correspondent for the New Yorker her article about Senate Majority Leader. Mitch McConnell titled Enabler in Chief is in the April Twentieth Edition of The New Yorker after we take a short break our TV critic. David Cooley will review this Sunday's series finale of homeland and the return of the series penny dreadful this is fresh air support for NPR and the following message come from best fiends. Have more time on your hands. Connect with family and friends and engage your brain with fun puzzles by downloading best fiends. The five star rated mobile puzzle game with over one hundred million downloads. The game is updated monthly so there are always new levels to play events master and cute characters to collect and you can play without an Internet connection download best fiends for free on the apple APP store or Google play today. That's friends without the our best means Cairo's from NPR's how. I built this and each week on the show during this unprecedented crisis. I'll be asking some of the top founders. And builders how they're dealing with the economic impact of the crow virus and hear about some of the ways they're pivoting to fight it subscriber. Listen now to how I built this on showtime this Sunday one long running drama series homeland is ending while another penny dreadful is returning after a lengthy hiatus with an entirely new storyline and focus our TV critic. David Cooley reviews them both. Don't worry I'm not going to reveal any spoilers about the finale of homeland the showtime series that began nine years ago and present. Its final episode this weekend based on Israeli series homeland began as one kind show presenting two characters a troubled government agent named Carrie mathison played by Claire. Danes and an equally troubled war veteran named Nicholas Brody played by Damian Lewis as equally unreliable narrators the unique brilliance of homeland when it started was that it presented to main characters without revealing which of them we should root for or against that lasted for a few seasons and then carry became the central focus of homeland along with her longtime spy Chief Mentor. Saul Berenson played so superbly by Mandy Patinkin this final season storyline has been truly unnerving with America on the brink of nuclear war with Pakistan and the series is about to end the way it began with two primary characters fighting for what they feel is right and with viewers torn about where to place their loyalties. Only this time. It's not Carrie. And brody it's carrie and saul and his homeland ends. It applies almost eerily these times this final storyline is all about facts and getting to the truth and whom to believe among the experts and politicians with many many lives hanging in the balance penny dreadful which returned. Sunday immediately after homeland ends also has parallels to today but only if you think of evil as a virus something that can spread exponential in dangerously and from the smallest of sources the name Penny dreadful comes from a one penny pamphlets popular in Victorian England gruesome fictional and true crime stories. That were like horror movies before there were movies. Sweeney todd the Demon. Barbara of fleet street was one favorite character from the penny dreadful. 's John Logan who wrote the screenplays for Martin Scorsese's Hugo and the aviator and yes for Tim Burton's Sweeney. Todd created showtime's Penny dreadful series as a mash up of period horror stories the series which began in twenty fourteen and lasted three seasons. Found a way to make room for such characters. Dr Frankenstein Dr Jekyll Dracula and Dorian Gray. It was wonderfully imaginative and showcased Eva. Green in a scene stealing mesmerizing role. And now after four years of dormancy penny dreadful is back but like such TV series as Fargo and American Horror Story. It's back with an all new setting and story and with an almost entirely new cast. This new penny. Dreadful edition is called City of angels and is set in Los Angeles in Nineteen thirty eight. It begins the way the first season of true detective did with the discovery of a brutally staged murder scene. It's meant to spark racial tensions between whites and Chicanos. And there's a parallel plot involving Nazis. The detectives on the case or played by Nathan Lane as the veteran and Daniels of Otto as his new partner. The first Chicago detective on the LAPD. The scene stealer in this penny dreadful once again is a woman this time. She's Natalie dormer from game of thrones and here she plays a supernatural villain a female demon who pushes history towards chaos by shape shifting into several different female forms and influencing events by slyly manipulating the people around her as the premise system to a city councilman played by Michael Gladys for example. She encourages both his admiration of dictators and his plans to build the freeway. We'll cut right through minority neighborhoods and probably incite a race riot you'd magnificently today. You are a strong man. Miscellany myself leany pepper. Even there's a fellow wonder the judicious exercise of power. That's right nine. Just have to stay the course and keep quiet. You held public hearings your civic duty required. You've one okay. This first motorway under construction and then start working on another one. Keep Your Transportation Committee Fronton Center. Keep you in the papers another motorway. Maybe bunker help. That's the color NOCERA. What that is is too much valuable real estate. Bill Junkies whores when there is a motorway to be built. What are we going? Where does it matter every role? Natalie dormer inhabits here looks and sounds completely different as she spreads her influence and evil like well like a pandemic. She's the main reason to watch this new penny dreadful but it's also nice to know that this particular strain of evil is not only supernatural. It's fictional David in. Cooley is a professor of TV and Film Studies at Rowan University in New Jersey Penny dreadful city of angels returns Sunday on showtime the same night as the series finale of homeland. Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our Technical Director and engineer is Audrey. Bentham our interviews and reviews produced and edited by Emi Salad. Phyllis Myers Sam Brigger Lauren Crandall Heidi Soman to recent madden moves. Eighty Theater challenor. And Seth Kelly our associate producer of digital media. Is Molly Seavy Nesper? Roberta shorrock directs the show. I'm Terry Gross.

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Will FDR comparisons connect Bernie with older voters?

POLITICO's Nerdcast

33:21 min | 1 year ago

Will FDR comparisons connect Bernie with older voters?

"Hello listeners. This is Politico's nerd cast. I'm your host Scott bland. On the show this week, President Donald Trump says he wouldn't call the FBI, if he was offered information that would help his campaign from a foreign entity. We'll get into that. The big news breaking in the middle of this week, then we're gonna talk about Senator Bernie Sanders, who gave a big speech defining his political ethos and explaining why he's a socialist earlier this week in, in an attempt to broaden out his campaign. Plus, we're gonna talk to some political reporters about how Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell could be benefiting from the fact that his wife, Elaine Chao is the secretary of transportation in the Trump administration. The two political reporters who broke that story are going to join us to explain how as always this episode was taped a little bit before noon on Thursday today. That's June thirteenth, so it's all up to date as of then. All right. Let's get started. I'm gonna welcome in our guests. White House reporter Nancy cook Nancy. Hello. Hey, scott. Thanks for having me. Of course a nerd cast favorite back in the studio this week. Part of the reason I jump to the introduction before the data point is because this first segment is a little hard to quantify in numerical terms. And so we'll just jump right into it. President Donald Trump this week, interviewed by ABC news. And, and talking as he so often does about the about Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election and dropped a little bit of a bomb in the middle of the interview, which is the when asked he said he would not alert the FBI, if he was offered material from a foreign government on one of his opponents. In fact, we can play the tape right now. I don't think in my whole life ever called the FBI and my whole life. I you don't call the FBI throw somebody out of your office. You do whatever you got her stolen briefing book. He called the FBI. Well, let's different stolen breaching. But this is this is somebody said we have information on your opponent. Oh, let me call the FBI, give me a break. Life says director says which should happen. The FBI director is wrong. So nancy. Republicans on the hill in the White House around around Washington. Not very, many people are rushing to defend this so much as trying to say that the president didn't actually mean what he said. Yeah. What is happening in the White House? Today was, so it's Thursday afternoon is basically what happens so often there where they're trying to walk back with the president says pretty frantically and Trump is trying to walk it back a little bit over Twitter himself. And basically say that, you know that's not what he said. This is fake news. ABC news, which landed the interview with George Stephanopoulos has released a transcript, and that is exactly what he said. See it on video. Right. There's a lot of evidence that he said this, and what he's doing is what he does so often, which is basically just step on the White House's message. And it shows that he, and his that he really hasn't learned anything since the twentieth. Sixteen campaign and the mullahs report came out and basically showed that, there were a ton of different contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign. You know, Trump himself during the two thousand sixteen campaign, you know, basically said like Russia. If you're listening, we're here, and the White House. Meanwhile, has tried to play up the part of the Muller reports saying that there was no conspiracy, which is what Muller found, you know, they keep trying to say that, you know, nothing to see. No indictable proof. Right, exactly. That's important. But the White House keep saying, let's move on from the Miller report, you know, let's move on. And the problem is, is that the president keep stepping in it with statements like this. And basically looking ahead to twenty twenty he is re relaunched. He is launching his reelection bid next week with a rally in Florida and he's basically indicating going into that, this election period that, you know, hey, if foreign government had dirt on an opponent, he's open for business, and he would not call the BI and people around town are like screaming and running from it. You know, people on the hill, don't wanna talk about it. They're really distancing themselves. It's hysterical. Because when you call people in the White House and ask them like what is your reaction to this? You know, everybody acts like they're suddenly working on some super boring project. They're like oh, you know what? That's not my lanes and restructure weak infrastructure, we go all over again. I'm really focused on infrastructure or water project or like. Retiring, the White House bathroom, literally anything, and that is partly self preservation that is how White House aides have gotten through all of this. But, you know, everybody is distancing themselves from it, and it's Trump just really I think, you know, stepping on the White House's message and then also just indicating that since two thousand sixteen I feel like he hasn't necessarily gleaned all the lessons from that campaign. And also understood how different branches of the government work, and the limits of the presidency I almost feel like Trump in this case with what you're saying about learning lessons from two thousand sixteen. He maybe he's doing something that reporters are guilty of all, too often, which is the kind of Suming that everything that the winning campaign did was right and everything. The losing campaign did was wrong, which is I mean, you, you don't have to think about it very long to realize that's ridiculous. Right. Just because you wanna campaign doesn't mean you didn't do anything wrong. But it's it seems to be that, that seems to be kind. To the lesson that the Donald Trump took from the fact that he won the presidency is that everything that happened during that election was validated. Well, and also he's gotten away with at right? Like Muller Muller reports said there was no indictable conspiracy, and, and he hasn't really had any legal backlash to anything that the Muller report found in terms of his potential attempts to obstruct Justice any of the contacts with the Russian government. And so there hasn't been any consequences and Democrats on the hill have really been stonewalled in their efforts to investigate this more. And so, you know, I think from Trump's perspective he wants to win again. Why wouldn't he keep just doing what he has done? No one has tried to stop him. But it has you know, this is really thrown a huge bomb out there ahead of this reelection launch, and what's interesting to me is, you know, the White House this week really tried to move beyond their bubble of just giving Fox News interviews and this was. The first interview that they'd done with a network in four months, you know, the first major interview that really Trump had done since his first one hundred days in office with sort of a mainstream network. And this is like the first clip that we get from it. Well, yeah. And Meanwhile I mean, there's certainly seems to be recognition from the White House, or I guess, more broadly, Trump's aides in general, the things do need to be different in two thousand twenty than twenty sixteen. We've seen a lot of stories including politico about how they're building this big professional campaign around Trump in, in contrast to the kind of ragtag operation. There wasn't in in two thousand sixteen but I guess the question is can the. Can the, the professionalism of that operation survive the force of chaos at, at the top, right? I mean so. Yes and no on the building and more professional operation. I mean, their offices are actually here in Roslyn, which is where politico is located which is where we're taping this. They're just a few blocks away. They it is a much more professional operation. I've been over there a few times than it was in two thousand sixteen it has a much larger staff. It has like an org chart. You know, everyone's doing their thing you know but to two points to that one, the argument has been made to me by White House officials themselves that part of the reason it is more professional and not that chaotic is because the president doesn't work over there. He works on Pennsylvania Avenue. So he is not there on a day-to-day basis yet, so they are free to do their thing. But the other thing is, is that, you know, although they are more professional in terms of, like, let's say fundraising, or, you know, their data operations or reaching out to voters, and that's. Targeting, you know, we contacted them a few weeks ago to ask them about their policies about what they would do if a foreign government contacted them, and they didn't have a policy on it. And meanwhile, the Democrats have been going around sort of making it very clear for weeks that if they were contacted by a foreign government with opera research or offers to help that they would call the FBI that has been something that most Democrats are on the record on. And so this is sort of an obvious question, you would think the Trump campaign would be able to see this coming would have some sort of statement, you know, would have trained campaign staff on it, and they really haven't, it's an interesting point. Well so this, this news just just broke last night. View the ABC the reactions to it really are just kinda starting to pour in today. So I think this is probably going to take a few more twists and turns before this particular, new cycle, burns out, just one more thing that occurs to me about this interview that Trump did with ABC. That is just. One clip of a much larger interview that ABC had with the president. And I think that there will be a lot more news to come out of this interview. I was with the president in Iowa on Tuesday. I traveled there with him on Air Force One with the press. George Stephanopoulos was on that trip with him on Air Force One not sitting with the press, but in a front cabin with his crew. He wrote in the president's armored limousine called the beast with him. He was at multiple events in Iowa with us at an ethanol plan at a refund raising dinner. And then the next day he was at the White House, all day, had an Oval Office interview, or, you know, sat in on some Oval Office meetings, and had another hour long interview and ABC is sort of rolling out, these clips, you know, in these tidbits, so that for maximum news value, and I definitely think that we'll see a lot more of these, you know, potentially really newsy interesting moments from Trump based on this interview, gotta definitely more to come. All right. Nancy? Thank you so much for talking through it. All right. Moving onto our second data point for this episode twenty eight percent. And that is the sheriff adults over the age of sixty five who have a positive view of socialism, young people having a much more positive view of the world, word and one presidential candidate is betting big on that, that is, of course, Senator Bernie Sanders, the independent from Vermont, he gave a speech this week on socialism, on the campus of George Washington University in D, C, and our twenty twenty reporter covering Sanders. Holly autobahn was there for the speech and now she's here on the show to walk us through what Senator Sanders was doing there and what he's been up to lately. Holly. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me. So let's let's start with the speech. How you were there on, on Wednesday tells a little bit about just the, the experience of being, you know what the mood was like, what the what the, the point was what, what, what Senator Sanders was trying to accomplish here with this, this big address on college. Campus. So this was in the middle of Washington, DC, close to many, many news organizations, newsrooms. And so there was a large amount of press there, of course covering this. And I think that was part of the idea, there were also lots and lots of Bernie Sanders fans there members of the democratic socialists of America, the founder of Jakobsen the socialist magazine was there activists in favor of Medicare for all where there. And they were all very excited and applauding him very loudly. And at times broke out into chance saying, Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie Sanders said during his speech that the United States is basically, at a similar places. It found itself in the nineteen thirties that oligarchy and thorough -tarian, ISM is on the March throughout the world and Americans have a choice. They can follow the fascism like the rest, you know, much of the rest of the world is. Or they can adopt what he calls democratic socialism. What's interesting is in his speech. He really acquainted those words democratic socialism with new deal liberalism. You know, he said that the US made the right choice back decades ago, and followed the vision of FDR past the new deal that was incredibly politically successful, and also improve the lives of Americans so that's, that's very interesting to me. I mean I, I guess the thing I'm wondering. Now if if what he if what Sanders wants to do is quite his worldview democratic socialism with, with Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the new deal. And the the, you know, century-old liberal tradition in America. Why is why is he so wedded to the term democratic socialism, because I it the, the word socialism generates a pretty strong reaction. And a lot of people and you, can, you can certainly see that from from how Republican political groups are trying to tag, every, every democrat, no matter where they sit on the ideological spectrum with that word at this point. So when you talk to activists and consultants and insiders who are favorable to Sanders, they'll say that he has a long history was with this word, you know, he wants referred to himself as just a socialist than it became democratic socialist, for decades and decades. Okay. And so it's a little different than when Republicans tag. Former President Obama and, you know, ObamaCare as socialist or when they try to nowadays tag, Joe Biden as, as socialist that Bernie Sanders has this long history with the word and that by reclaiming it. That's probably the best that he can do. But you're right. It does have a very negative association for many people, particularly older voters who Sanders is struggling with many of his aides said that in two thousand sixteen. They really regretted not tying him more to FDR. And I think one of the potential advantages of doing that is that, you know, it makes them less scary, and maybe it does. So also in the eyes of those senior voters who you know, he is just absolutely getting killed with. You know, there was a poll out. I think that showed that he was only getting about five percent of senior voters. I mean, he doesn't have to win them in the eyes of his campaign, but he just cannot be slaughtered, like that among senior voters, and have a realistic shot at winning the nomination. Right. Right. So a side from the historical theme. What, what was your what was your big takeaway from? Fr from the speech, I thought came at a very interesting time now his aides say that the speech has been planned for a long time and that has nothing to do with where he's at in the polls right now. Or you know what's going on in the news? But it does on the less come as Senator Elizabeth Warren is improving. Her standing and many, national, and early state polls actually yesterday marked the first time that she leapfrogged over Sanders in three polls and to early states and one national poll. And so I talked to one progressive consultant who argued that this was, you know, a way for Sanders to go back to the base, particularly to maybe younger voters and say, look at how laugh Diane, Warren describes herself as a capitalist capitalists to my bones is what she said. And you know, this is one way for Sanders to distinguish himself from. Her holly. Was this the first time that you had you had spoken with Sandra is one on one? When you talk to him before his speech. Previewing what was going to be going on? It was, yes. What was what was that? Like what was your impression? I mean the there's been he, he doesn't do a one on one print interviews all that often, but there have been of some notable prickly ones in, in recent weeks with the New York Times and others. Yeah, he was very focused. You know, he's always very very on message. And, you know, so when we started our conversation, I said, thanks for the opportunity, you know, I've been covering you for several months. Started to kind of try to have a little bit of small talk as much as you could in a short interview. And he said, all right, Holly. Here's what we're gonna do going to I'm going to give you a spiel, and then you can fire away any question, you want it may. So I thought that was pretty funny, but at times he was also personable more personable certainly than I think he oftentimes gets credit for. One take away that I had was that after he explained what he wanted to do in the speech, which he said was to, to describe what democratic socialism means to him. And that, that means a continuation of what if DR was doing. I asked him about Warren and I asked him a few different questions about her and, and one large takeaway for me was that he just simply did not want to go there. And so while maybe there will be a point in the primary in which he will be forced to that time, has just not come, and he seems really adamant about not, not criticizing her, which is interesting because certainly he has no problem with, you know criticizing for instance, Joe Biden. Absolutely. Yeah. It's interesting. What you say about how he goes into that interview because for all the he gets a lot of credit also for being kind of unvarnished and unpolished. But he's clearly also very careful about about how he manages his his message and his media presence. He is. I mean he, he is, you know, he comes off as very earnest and authentic. And I think that's so that's why he has that, that kind of brand as being unvarnished. And of course, you know, the messy hair and all of those sort of silly superficial things add to that as well. But he is he is so on message. I mean, he knows exactly what he wants to say. And he's, he's been honing that message for decades and decades. And so you're, you're never really going to be able to get him off of it is, is my opinion. Absolutely. So now having having watched having watched this this week and. And we've got the debates coming up at the end of the month, obviously, where, where do you see things going for the Sanders campaign out of this, this potential inflection point in the campaign? He's trying to explain his philosophy a little more as Warren's. Creeping up on him in the polls, and, and he's trying to draw that contrast with Biden a lot of stuff going on. Where where, where do you think it's going from here? Well, I think the campaign feels really good about what the speech, did they seem to feel as though they got a lot of good press out of it. You know that were many headlines saying something along the lines of Sanders compares himself to FDR. I think ours was Sanders goes full FDR anything that is a headline that links, Anders and FDR is, is good in their view. His campaign manager also said after the speech that he was happy with the debate, it was creating and referenced something that Joe Biden said after the speech when he was asked about it. You know, he said. Essentially, I'm paraphrasing her here that the United States needs to change direction, but it doesn't need some radical fundamental shift. And, you know, the Sanders campaign loves that because they want to be able to argue that, in fact, inequality is so bad things or so awful that we do need a fundamental shift that the status quo is not good enough. And so, I think they feel as though at least for the moment, this is kind of shifted the conversation in a way that is good for them from here. Of course, we're going to be looking at the debates see if, if Warren is able to continue leapfrogging Sanders. Or if the debates, maybe somehow reset that and Sanders continues to be the top challenger to Joe Biden. I'm also looking to see what he does if he gets on stage with pyden, I guess I will find that out tomorrow. And then Secondly, if he does. Does. Is he going to criticize them, and how much absolutely no? That's going to be really important thing to watch over the next couple of weeks. And we're gonna find out those debate lineups on Friday morning. It sounds like as as as the show rolls out. So maybe, maybe we'll talk about them the next week. But interesting week for Sanders, lots of watch going forward, Holly. I'm sure we're going to have you back on soon to, to dissect it all. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much. It was a pleasure. Listeners Holly was also a guest on this week's episode of a new politico podcast, global translations. She was sizing up, how trade is playing on the twenty twenty campaign trail, great vantage points, discuss that from Bernie Sanders beat reporter, the show picks part of new politics of trade, and the method behind the apparent madness of president Donald Trump's trade wars. So check it out wherever you're listening to this show. Search for global translations. Okay. We're going to jump right into it. Now with our final data point. And that's at least seventy eight million dollars. That's the amount of grant money that has been funneled into transportation projects and Kentucky, from the department of transportation under the Trump administration. So a lot of money and we're specifically going to talk about how that money ended up where it went. I want to welcome our guests. I up a transportation reporter, tiniest Snyder. Hi. Tonya, thanks so much for having me. Thank you for coming on. I really appreciated and data reporter Tucker dirty. Hey, great to be here. Thank you so much for being here. Tucker walks through the, the thing that, that kind of drew you into the story was, it wasn't so much the amount of money that we're talking about here. It was how the this money ended up getting directed to Kentucky. It was the path that, that it took exactly. I mean, I mean seventy eight million dollars, it's a lot to, to you or me. It's a lot to some of these places in Kentucky that receive. Some of the money, but in terms of the total scale of the transportation department, and, you know, the over over one billion dollars in grants that go out each year under this program. It's it's not a huge amount. It's it's maybe six or seven percent, something like that. And we were actually when we started researching the story, a while ago watchdog group had had brought some data to us claiming that there was this huge upswing in money going to Kentucky. So I'm a data reporter by trade. I was brought into sort of fact, check that number. And when we started we, we didn't really actually agree with this information that was brought us. We didn't in our own research. See a huge surge overall of money going to Kentucky. But once we were sort of on the beat we, we were asked to say, hey, you didn't find the overall trend being notable. Can you take a look at some of the individual projects the individual grants? And when we started digging. To that. And, and looking at some of these emails and schedules that we had access to. That's when we started seeing some, some suspicious communications some, some fishy grants, and ultimately, what, what led us to sort of this wider story of, of this one individual at the department who really played a key role in getting some of these specific projects that have connections to McConnell, eventually approved, basically, this is a different process than what happens for other states. This is the, the Senate majority leader, who's up for re election in twenty twenty in his home state, as a former aide acting as, as a conduit between project grant applications in his state and, and the, the, the cabinet department, that approves these and sends the money out into places in Kentucky, the have that seemed to have special resonance with McConnell with his political career. Right. And so. And so these grants on one level, they still went through the normal process. They, they still apply to the same grant programs that everybody else was applying to, but we saw in the emails that, yes, these, these projects were receiving extra attention. So the aid in question Todd Inman, he was a former McConnell campaign worker in two thousand eight and twenty fourteen before Elaine Chao hired him to her office. He sent just a few months after they entered office emails to McConnell's office that made clear his role. So there was a staff roster, he sent to them that listed staff duties and under his staff duties was listed, Kentucky. And there was no other staff member on that list who sort of a signed to specific state, and then in a separate Email again, to McConnell's chief of staff at the time, he wrote that the secretary. Sorry indicated that if McConnell's office had Kentucky projects that they wanted to flag for extra monitoring, and following up that they should lupin this aid Todd Inman. And so that was sort of the special attention that these, these projects had, they had someone who was pretty high up at DOT who among other duties was asked to keep an eye on these projects. And, you know, I'm sure there are a lot of states that would love to have someone so high up at DOT keeping an eye out for them. I want to jump into one of those projects in particular in a second. But I want to jump over I two to Tonya Tonya, can you give us the, the, the broader context here for, for the department of transportation in the Trump administration with Elaine Chao at its head, and, and what, what you found in kind of reporting out what, what people thought about the, the ethics of all this. Well, people were very concerned. I mean I think that this is something that. Garnered a lot of interest when Elaine Chao was initially nominated to this position what, how would it work when the Senate majority leader is married to behead of one of the agencies that gives out discretionary grants? You know what kind of firewalls would they set up to ensure that there was no conflict of interest and what it looks like is that they just didn't even try. They were not trying the kinds of efforts that other political officials take to make sure and not everyone does this, but often take to make sure that there's no favoritism that there's no nepotism that there's no conflict of interest. They, they just weren't doing in these, these emails that a watchdog group foia and, and provided to us just showed this relationship where Kentucky. Looking for access looking for RIC to get their requests fulfilled looking for access to the secretary or to high level officials at DOT went through McConnell's office and McConnell, would advocate for them advocate for their grant requests advocate for the meetings that they wanted Elaine Chao to have with them or to speak at the those, those requests, were being conveyed through McConnell's office. And that there was this, a very receptive ear at DOT to those requests. Meanwhile, McConnell he has no interest in stepping away from any of this. He's, he's basically casting this him throwing his his considerable metaphorical wait in DC around on behalf of, of his state, and as, as an example of one of the many reasons why they should send him back to, to keep doing this work, right? And some people have said that this story that we wrote. Would be a campaign mail for Mitch McConnell saying, look look at all of the largesse that I bring back to Kentucky. You know, I used to do it through earmarks earmarks are banned, and I found this new way through the agency that my wife runs. I think is, is the story makes clear and it says we talked about before him like, well, we're describing here. It's not there's, there's nothing illegal about it. There's nothing in terms of total amounts. Nothing drastically out of wack with, with the amount of money that was flowing to Kentucky beforehand, and so on, and so forth. What's, what's the big takeaway, that you, you got from this, this project? And some of the other reporting you've, you've done on the relationship between McConnell and the department of transportation under the Trump administration. What's, what's kind of the overarching theme? That that's emerged to you. There is an ethical standard that government government officials put the public interest before their personal interest. And so I think that often when we are gauging the behavior of government officials you're gauging it against that guard stick. Are they putting public interest ahead of their own personal interest? In this case, Elaine Chao 's interests are multiple her interests are not only her own, but also her extremely powerful husband's political ambitions and, and political fortunes. So when we look at this, I think that we need to look at it through that lens of, you know, how rigorous are they being in terms of making sure that all of these personal political interests are not, clouding their judgment when looking at grants or other requests from the state of Kentucky, where there is such. Where this relationship is so rife with the potential for conflict of interest and to see how lazy fair they've been with these ethical considerations. I think is the alarming part. I don't know that we can look at any of these grants and say that they don't stand on their own merit. There are. There are way, more grant applications with merit than there are than there is money to go around special conduit. Right. Well, right. And so two you so, you know, DOT made it very clear to us that they have career staff, technical staff non-political staff looking at these applications to make sure that they have merit at first and that's true. But the number of obligations that they then send up that they that they say, well, you know, these pass the test, then you have a. At least the potential for a political process, and that goes beyond just Kentucky. It's red states blue states states that voted for Trump and states it didn't is its, you know, ideological considerations about how they want to build infrastructure. The Obama administration was interested in streetcars and bike lanes. The Trump administration is interested in freight quarters and highway building in rural areas. So you have all of these considerations, and in all of them Kentucky does. Well, well, I think this is just a great story about, like power in Washington, and how it's wielded and use the listeners you can read the full story on Politico's website. It's headlined Chow created special path. For McConnell's favored projects Tanya Tucker. Thank you so much for, for taking the time to, to join us. Thanks for having us on. Thank you. And a big thing he was always to you our listeners for tuning into this week's episode. We're going to hand things over to one of those listeners this week to help us out with the credits. Derek Johnson of Seward Nebraska is going to read the credits right now nerd cast is produced by Michaela. Dave Shaw is the executive producer. And they're illustrator is Bill cookman, if you like nerd cast, and you're listening on apple podcasts rate, the show and leave a review. It helps new listeners find the show. Thank you Derrick listeners. If you want to read the credits shoot us an Email at nerd cast at politico dot com. Thanks again. We'll talk to you next week. Panoply.

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What Motivates Mitch McConnell?

The Daily

28:32 min | 1 year ago

What Motivates Mitch McConnell?

"The from New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro. This is the daily. Today over the past decade, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell has emerged as a skilled legislative war obstructing President Obama's and enabling President Trump's. But what does McConnell himself, actually believe? It's Tuesday February. February twenty sixteen Mitch McConnell is on vacation. He's just arrived at the airport in Saint Thomas with his wife. Elaine Chao Senate is on recess Valentine's Day or thereabouts. They get off the plane, and he gets the news on his phone that judge Santon Scalia has died on the quail hunting trip in Texas. Though Chuck down, and I began to think about our interaction with each other over the years. You know, we were not fast round, but we would get better every once in a while. But. Mama turned to the practical situation taste Mitch McConnell has a tremendous amount of power in this situation. Charles homes is the political editor of the times magazine. He's the Senate majority leader in one of the things that the Senate majority leader controls as the calendar for appointments, so he can use his power as Senate majority leader if you want to keep President Obama from filling the seat if you're some me and most of my colleagues who would rather see America right of center left of center at the top of the list. If you wanna have a long-term impact would be on the court, and he knows, you know, the supreme court has been just astronomical important to conservatives for better part of generation, and he knows there's going to be a huge amount of attention on his decision here. Whether he's going to sort of let the normal process run its course, or whether he's going to do something more extreme hair that nobody in his position really his done. I was if the shoe is on the other foot. Would Democratic Senate confirm supreme court nominate of a Republican president in the middle of presidential election here. I knew the answer would be no. And so. Oxen out they say the next president should. And he makes this decision that he is going to keep President Obama from filling the seat not only through the end of his term. But also through the end of the election in the hopes that Republican will win and that he will have deprived the democrat Obama from having appointed a supreme court Justice, exactly. I think that's the most consequential thing I've ever done. I think you've you. This really is sort of the culminating act of his work as Senate majority leader. So McConnell sees this as his crowning moment. I wonder what that tells you about his motivations especially in his role as a Republican leader in this moment. I was really curious about this motivations to because there are a lot less apparent with McConnell than they are with a lot of other politicians, always important. Remember unless you win the election. You don't get to make a policy wonders like falls losers. Go do something else. And he plays cards, very close to his vest, and isn't really a demonstrative figure in any way, various things like and very unknowable. Yeah. Very unknowable of the session. Go. Oh. You given what they have to work with always just hopeful spoke to him for quite a long time. We had several interviews ran over the course of several hours and a lot of people around him and a lot of many opponents over the years. Also ahead sort of a very random question to begin with which came out of the conversation. I had where does the story for you? And I guess for him again. Well, he grew up in the rural south and moved to Louisville boy for his father's work. He was an only child and he grew up kind of by his own admission somewhat lonely kid at first and Louisville, and he was really into baseball as a kid and realized he wasn't ever going to be that great added and edit really kind of alarmingly young age, which is interests over to politics. I was fascinated by the sun from early age and hope that I might have an opportunity to serve your something. By the time. He was in high school, he had really sort of discovered an aptitude for politics and an interest in politics, and he ran these incredibly premeditated carefully orchestrated campaigns for student government, even he was basically, a pretty full-fledged politician. I think by the time he graduated from college and had decided this was the thing that he wanted to do at this point, what were McConnell's politics. It's interesting. I mean, they are kind of difficult untangle he'd notes early admirations for Goldwater, but he also conservative. Yeah. Very conservative. But at the same time, he was considered an ally by abortion rights activists in Louisville at the time and his first wife was a feminist scholar. Who later ran feminist archive at Smith, College and collaborated with Gloria Steinem. He had also spoken on behalf of civil rights in college. But when I was young. Was issue. Our generation. Shor-short dealing with America's original sense. So at the start it seems like he's a pretty moderate to even progressive Republican. I think you could classify him as a moderate Republican early in his career by the time. He himself was elected to the Senate in nineteen Eighty-four. The Republican party had changed dramatically at this point, the real gravitational center of the party shifted towards the conservative movement that had been powered by Reagan's candidacy, and you see McConnell's politics very much sort of changed to match times. He was someone who is very ambitious and wanted to get somewhere in the Republican party. And I think he understood then he had been very much from the sort of old moderate wing of the party in that party was no longer in a position of power in nineteen eighty five. So with that in mind, what does McConnell do once he settles into the Senate? So he spends his first couple years trying to find his footing as I think most freshmen senators do and it's around this time that handful of democratic senators have started really educating on campaign finance reform. These days the American people are going to wake up, and they're gonna ask themselves as been good for this country that the cost of running the United States Senate has gone from six hundred thousand dollars to three million dollars in ten years. All these questions are sort of in the air point during McConnell's first term and McConnell realizes that this is an opening for him. I think he understood it as an issue that people in his party and often Democrats also in congress felt like they had to be behind campaign finance reform, but didn't necessarily really want to be behind it that interesting to listen to some of the speeches on the other side that equate money with evil in politics seems to me that capitalistic society like ours money is not necessarily evil in McConnell, very shrewdly for first term Senator understood that standing up against this. I of campaign finance reform was going to win a lot of friends in his caucus in the Senate and at the same time it was going to get him beaten up. But in a way that wasn't gonna leave a lasting. Impression on his career. He would be lambasted by aditorial pages and voters if you ask them all said, they favored campaign finance reform. But it wasn't something that they were going to vote somebody out of office on. And so he rightly calculated that he could make himself the face of the opposition to campaign finance reform at the same time. He would be earning. The gratitude of many people in the Senate who really didn't wanna see these bills into law some Ikano thinks to himself. I could be the guy who says the thing everybody else wants to say, but his frayed to say, which is that I'm opposed to real change the campaign finance system, and in the process, I will win over Republican colleagues in a lasting way that we'll probably benefit me. Exactly. Did this plan work? Yes. A note. Welcome you to the evening's programming for about the next forty five minutes, or so we'll be discussing campaign financing which has been discussed on the floor of the US Senate the last few days. Our guest is Senator Mitch McConnell. Republican from Kentucky TV Fairmount Zik. Concern you that candidates for congress spent four hundred fifty million dollars running for office last year not particularly because being attacked in details. But he was also being profiled by newspapers you've been described as humorless. Well, have you heard that before once or twice there's bipartisanship because you've got Darth Vader on the Senate side, Mitch McConnell, he earned the nickname dearth baiter from a number of people, and he kind of leaned into this role as the sort of Bill on campaign finance reform would appear with a lightsaber occasionally in public. Look, I think her bother doesn't because I think I'll let me tell you why. Except the fact that you can't make everybody happy. And meanwhile, while he was doing this. He was learning a lot of these things about how the Senate worked and how small number of senators or even an individual Senator could really slow down the process by which bills moved through the Senate. So this dryest of senators Mitch McConnell, not at all. That charismatic is slowly figuring out have nipple late the Senate and win over his colleagues by doing something they won't which is to essentially take the heat take one for the team on a major campaign finance. Exactly, I think he was willing to play the villain. If that was what was required of the moment. And in this moment that was what was required to advance his party's agenda. In the long run campaign. Finance reform did pass, you know, there is this Bill. Mccain feingold. That was his landmark campaign finance Bill. The did pass into law in two thousand to a decade and a half after this battle began. But the reason the battle took a decade and a half was very much because of Mitch McConnell and along the way he really made himself into a name and his party. And it's only a few years after that that he becomes the Republican leader in the Senate new Republican leaders this morning leadership elections held on the hill. Mitch McConnell there. The new minority leader what does he decide to do with that power? Will he really kind of comes into his own when Obama becomes president? Because suddenly he's in a massively diminished Republican minority in the Senate facing a very popular incoming democratic president. But he does have a few of these lessons that he's learned from the campaign finance fight one is that if you keep your entire caucus together in a very disciplined way, you can accomplish a lot the other is that the very workings of the Senate offer all sorts of -tunities to slow things down. And he started to use those. Against the Obama agenda. Most prominently the Affordable Care ACT's we have already documented a record of Republicans attempting to sabotage the Affordable Care Act. Senate Republicans made it clear that they will continue to fight to kill this Bill. They would spend weeks negotiating language for some of these provisions in the Bill with the democratic committee chairs and then when it's time for an actual vote. The support would sort of magically melt away, and meanwhile, several weeks of negotiation is gone. The other thing he does during the Obama years as he starts holding up all these appointments of the president gets to make have to be confirmed by the Senate, so pretty soon. There are all these vacancies cropping up all over the Obama administration. There ambbassador ships that haven't been filled board appointments that haven't been filled, but especially judge vis Republican minority under Mitch McConnell has used the filibuster over and over again day in and day out time and time again to block a record number of of executive engine digital appointments or nearly presidents appoint these judges or visit matter, of course, but. That's the only becomes very to the point where it was affecting the functioning government. They turn the Senate executive calendar into a nomination obituary column for thirty other judicial nominees obstruction in the Senate is completely unprecedented. This McConnell seconds, turn in the public. I really is the sort of villainous figure the Democrats he becomes the sort of arch nemesis. Been involved in structure. There was a point to he's sort of super size. These sort of obstructive tendencies of the Senate and made it the thing that you do when you're in the minority. So Charlie it seems like McConnell's strategy is to paralyze the Senate under a democratic president until the country might elect a Republican president who would then enact legislation and nominate judges that would serve the Republican agenda and McConnell would sign off on exactly. And that's why 2016 becomes incredibly important. You know, the beginning he tries to really stay out of it. I think he favored Marco Rubio in the Republican primary, but he's looking at how he can hold onto the Senate and finally become majority leader under a Republican president. But then I early in the in the cycle Donald Trump from the scene. I am a fishery running. The president of the United States, and we are going to make our country. Great again. Donald Trump is winning some of these early primaries and his established himself as something more than a side showed this election. Eight PM in New Hampshire. Polls are now officially closed across the state and Fox News can now project that Donald Trump will win the Republican presidential primary, and it's against that backdrop. That's glee dies McConnell has to make his decision about what he's going to do. The presidential candidates turned their focus on discussing the supreme court on the campaign trail candidates on both sides have reframed the presidential election as a referendum on the high court's future. And the David Scalia dies that evening presidential debate. And there's half a dozen Republican candidates still competing for the presidential on. Get started candidates here the rules and at that debate. There's a question I the death of Justice Scalia and the vacancy that leaves on the supreme court the question of what to do with this comes up and only one candidate gives the sort of weirdly specific answer about who. He would appoint supreme court. We could have Diane Sykes. Or you could have a Bill Pryor. We have some fantastic people Donald Trump who names judges who are very popular among conservative legal active. I think it's up to Mitch McConnell and everybody else to stop it. It's called delay delay delay. This is sort of the moment where a lot of conservative think that maybe this is a guy that we can work with. Maybe there's a partnership to be had here with Donald Trump. So it sounds like because of his vacancy almost prim court that McConnell orchestrated Africa Leah's death. Trump now has an opportunity to give something very valuable to conservatives that they want and that they covered which is the judges that they want supreme court and lower down courts. And that that would become a huge factor in convincing those conservatives that Trump was there. I think that's right. This is a really crucial point in Trump's sort of convincing a lot of the people that matter on the right that he's going to be a conventional Republican president in ways that matter to them. I wonder how McConnell feels about the fact that this decision that was designed to help the Republican agenda. Broadly, ends up helping Donald Trump during the campaign someone who's not all that mainstream Republican. Yeah. Well, he was not an early adopter of Trump. He was not clearly enthusiastic fan of Trump. And he endorsed him sort of obligatory. Orally when he got to the point where he really had to. But once Trump the nominee, he became very much invested in this candidate with whom he had very little in common because this candidate was going to be the vessel by which this judicial appointment project that he'd been setting the stage for was going to be realized he didn't think Trump was going to win. The judges thing was sort of a long play that he was running. And the case the Trump did win a made him invested in Trump's victory, and that he wouldn't have been otherwise, but he was mostly concerned with minimizing drama that would blow back on his Senate candidates at that point. And you saw that with the access Hollywood tape. Breaking news this afternoon in the presidential race, the Washington Post released video from two thousand five where Donald Trump is boasting to Billy Bush access Hollywood. And he's speaking in very Lou terms about kissing groping Paul Ryan came out with a relatively forceful statement condemning the tape Paul Ryan saying he's sickened by what Donald Trump said on that access Hollywood video. And so now Paul Ryan Ryan's previous will not be join. Donald Trump at an event in Wisconsin tomorrow because Donald Trump is no longer invited. Did not make that decision that there and thought about what this really meant. And he called the strategist of his who has spoke with who said that McConnell asked him. You know, what have you seen in the polls in strategists said nothing yet and Connell decided to call some vulnerable. Republican Senate candidates who are in closely contested races. One of them was ROY blunt who I spoke with the Missouri Republican who said McConnell, call them and basically asked him if he was seeing a lot of blowback the access Hollywood tape among rally-goers at his campaign events, and once basically, not really the crowds were as big and pro-trump is it everybody, and so McConnell had a few conversations like this in the end, he decided to play out his own statement, denouncing what trumpet said, but also really leaving it up to all the Republican Senate candidates to sort of figure out what they wanted to do about this. So he focus groups and poll tests and anecdote gathers his way through what everyone else is having extreme. Only visceral response to he's thinking about strategizing for the party. When everybody else is genuinely shocked that the president is talking about grabbing women assaulting salting women yen. I think this is very McConnell. He saw this is a centrally political question, whatever he may have thought about Trump, and whatever he thought about Trump's statements where his mind went very quickly was what were the various scenarios stemming out from this incident. And which of the scenarios would be the most politically damaging for the Republicans in the Senate, and that feels really telling about the kind of core moral, compass and motivations of Mitch McConnell. I think it is. I think in the way that he discusses this in the way this came up when we talked about any number of these sort of moments that he'd been at where he was moral real moral crossroads that he prides himself on being an extremely practical politician his view of the Senate, and this of spreads out into his view of politics. I think is that really the worst thing that you. Can do commit futile gestures? You know, setup of mission that can't cost would be accomplished genital in the world. Point. But not I'm into business of trying to choose much as I can for our team. Right of center, which means getting outcome. Not just calling attention or so, but try to actually get out, and it's sort of the way that he talks whenever you bring up whether it's access Hollywood. Choose not to engage in don't think it's much too. Whether it's Russian election meddling. I don't have to say about that whole bus to go. Whether it's action on the part of the Senate to protect the Mueller investigation. I don't have time for that kind of feudal, Justin. But typically when there's no threat the place that McConnell goes to is basically, it's not my job. And in the cases, where he feels like they're really are lines being crossed sort of his mode is too often make pretty concise statement of denunciation and then move on very quickly. I think is blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it. And you don't have any doubt about it. Either. Charlottesville was a great example of that. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides McConnell, put that a very forceful statement today. Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell issued a statement saying we can have no tolerance for an ideology of racial hatred. There are no good Neo Nazis stopped short statement of naming Trump himself. I asked him about that you didn't need him. In the statement. What was your thinking? Not name. The way I express myself. That's all. And what does that mean? I don't know if it means anything, I think he's sort of marking off the limits of what he feels like his job, really. And as we were talking about it. He kind of pivots to talking about the Republican party's standing with black voters more, generally, if you're talking about the kind of the electoral. We already do without American voters. You know, it's been a real weak spot for the party for quite a long time. But this isn't really a new thing which to me was an interesting turn because it sort of the lens that he I think instinctively or conveniently sees so much of this through the lens of politics. And he does not seem to want gravel with them. It's fascinating that his mind goes so directly to the electoral consequences of any kind of statement on something as consequential Charlottesville rather than a chance to assert moral authority for the greater good of the country. Exactly. Yeah. Somebody who's not an elected Republican official looks at some of the things that have been unleashed in. The Trump base says that he doesn't sixteen election is a real concern in terms of the broader social fabric of the United States. And really looks at alarm at the fact that this is sort of tolerated to some degree by one of the major political parties, right because what Mitch McConnell clearly views futile gestures are what lots of other people would call moral leadership. But he clearly doesn't from your telling from what he said you see that as his role as majority leader. The senate. I think that's right. I think he sees certain bright lines that he needs to police beyond that. I think he is really of the view that the best thing for him to do is keep his head down. And just kind of keep running the program. There's a history of politicians who are essentially fancy themselves as pragmatists making these deals these sort of devil's bargains to get their agenda passed and I asked him about one of the more extreme comparisons. That had been made to him by a holocaust historian who had compared him to Paul. Von hindenburg. The president of the Weimar Republic and Germany who brought Hitler to power unwittingly as translator as the sort of bulwark to shore up his conservative coalition government. And I'm just what you what you make. To expect Republican elected officials not to try to achieve as much as they possibly can that they've always been four out of pique over presidential behavior is not he got so critics like that expect us all to just join them in a huff. And do often. Really? That was his response to you asking whether he was someone akin to alarm our Republic later who ushered in the area of Hillary. Exactly. I mean, that's that's kind of a stunning response. It was a sunny response. I thought because it really kind of confirmed the criticism of him in a way that the criticism that can be leveled against these politicians who fancy themselves the grownups in the room is that they are myopic, and they don't see the sort of bigger picture consequences of the shorter term bargains that they're striking and he was essentially copping to having struck one of those bargains. I mean, he was saying that of course, we're not standing on principle against Trump. Look at all the stuff that we need to get done. I mean, he sees his agendas something crucial to the country to pursue. And he's willing to put up with a lot to do that. And he's sort of included Trump's behavior in this fear of thing that he's willing to put up with the thing. Now, he's in a position where his party is the party of Trump right now, you're talking about somebody who got into the Republican party at a time when it was helping pass the Civil Rights Act. And he's now finally ended to this position of real thority in the party at a time. When you have it's president out there, you know, defending people at a white supremacist rally. But I think if people are waiting for Mitch McConnell's take a real stand against Trump. It's going to be a very long, wait. You know, the end of the day. He is really a party guy. Is this the Republican party that he wanted to have at this point in his career? I don't think it probably is. But it's still his party, and he's going to stand with it. And he's going to do it. He has to do to see it through this presidency. Mcconnell's ultimate goal is to implement this Republican agenda for this party. He loves above all other things has he been effective at that. I think he's been extremely affected. So we now have a new US supreme court Justice. Neal gorsuch. He's forty nine years old. He's very likely to be on the supreme court for several decades to supreme court justices Democrats view this as a heist of the century that President Obama was denied the opportunity to nominate a judge for nearly a year one of which they would not have had with that McConnell, heist of the century. Wow. The nomination of bread 'em cavenaugh of Maryland to be an associate Justice of the supreme court of the United States is confirmed. Another day another judicial nominee getting Senate approval. They have all these other judicial appointments as will be the eleventh and twelve court of appeals nominees that we will have confirmed this year a modern day record winner as Mitch McConnell last night. He got Senate Democrats to capitulate and give him fifteen more judges his now put two supreme court justices and eighty four federal circuit and district court judges the most in history, total of eighty five federal judges have already been appointed since the president's taking office and twenty nineteen is expected to bring even more sweeping tax Bill passed nearly one and a half trillion dollar Bill is viewed as a major victory for President Trump and is the largest tax overhaul in more than three decades. This has been a very good two years for the Republican party is she's been the most to yours. Third years. I've been here. But the question from Connell is really at what cost? Charlie. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. We'll be right back. 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Chao corruption shocking even for scandal-plagued Trump cabinet

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

47:20 min | 1 year ago

Chao corruption shocking even for scandal-plagued Trump cabinet

"The legal matters show. We at nine eastern on MSNBC in fifteen days. So two weeks from tomorrow, the democratic presidential candidates are finally going to square off, or octagon off, actually, they're I guess they're going to double deca gone off in the first twenty twenty presidential debate a deca gun is a ten sided figure, so a double deca gun as I think what we've got here. I mean, we now know the basics of what these two ten sided debates are gonna look like on the democratic side starting two weeks from tomorrow. Now, NBC MSNBC, and Telemundo, are the hosts of the first democratic debate that doubleheader double header. It'll be ten candidates. The first night, ten different candidates, the second night, just today. They announced the moderators for those first debates and the basic logistics. So where's it going to be the debate is going to be in Miami, one, is it going? To be it's Wednesday and Thursday, the twenty sixth and twenty seventh of June. So fifteen days from now, both nights of the debate will be two hours from nine pm to eleven pm eastern now, who is going to be participating. Well, there's two sides of that. And it's complicated in terms of the moderators of the debate Lester Holt from NBC, nightly news, we'll be there for both hours both nights from nine to eleven pm, Lester will be sort of the fulcrum host for the whole thing for the first hour of the debate from nine to ten Lester will be joined by savannah, Guthrie from NBC news and by Jose Diaz, Balart from Telemundo. And then for the second hour of the debate from ten pm to eleven pm savannah and Jose will swap out and Chuck Todd from meet the press, and I will swap in as moderators for the second hour so that patterns going to hold both on the first night of the debate and on the second night at the debate, again, Lester, there, throughout savannah, Jose, their moderating for the first hour. Chuck in mean moderating. For the second hour. So that's who in terms of hosting, and moderating now who is going to be on the stage, much harder question, thankfully, that is for the DNC the Democratic Party to figure out. You may have noticed. There are a couple dozen declared candidates for the democratic presidential nomination this year, but there's only going to be twenty slots for that. I obey ten slots, the first night, ten slots, the second night now over the next few days. The DNC is going to announce which twenty of the democratic candidates are going to make the stage for that I to night debate the DNC criteria for people making the debate was announced a few months ago back in February. They announced back then that to make the debate candidates can follow one of two pounds, the first path is pulling so you can qualify the front of it. If you get one percent or more in three polls, the polls have to either be national polls or polls from one of the four early states. So from Iowa New Hampshire, South Carolina, Carolina, or Nevada. But that's only one track if you can't make that polling threshold again one percent in three polls. There is a second path set by the DNC, which is a fundraising path. You can also qualify for the debate, even if you don't qualify on polling you can qualify, if you're able to get donations from sixty five thousand different donors, and all of those donations can't all come from the same part of the country, you need at least two hundred unique donors per state in at least twenty states so you can see how the Democrats are, are trying to set these thresholds, basically measure strength. One way is to show, your strength is to is to turn up in the polls, another way to show strength is to show your appeal to a very broad swath of democratic donors. So they set those two paths. Now again, it is the DNC that's that criteria. And it is the DNC's responsibility to check whether candidates, meet either or both of those criteria. And of course, it will be the DNC's responsibility to figure out what to do if they have more than twenty candidates who meet those criteria. They've already announced stricter standards to get into some of the later to Bates. But for this first contest they set the threshold requirements back in February, and it is totally possible that more than twenty of the democratic candidates are going to meet either or both thresholds to qualify to get into the debate. But the DNC is being firm that there will still only be twenty slots. So if the happens if they've got more technically qualified candidates than they do slots on stage. The DNC says they are not going to add more podiums more more Podesta to the stage, the DNC will instead winnow out the, the lowest polling and lowest fundraising performers among the. Dates until they winnow it down to around twenty. At which point some small version of hell will break out, presumably in the democratic contest. But now that they've made the announcement about the basic logistics, and about the moderators. Here's a couple of things I can let you know, first of all the announcement of, of who's in, and who's out the announcement of which twenty democratic candidates are going to make that first to night debate that is going to happen on Thursday night. So the DNC is going to make their announcement about who the twenty candidates in our who are in the debate the day after tomorrow, Thursday night. And then we expect that shortly thereafter, we will get the announcement of, which of those candidates are going to be on the first night at the debate, and which of them are going to be on the second night at the debate, that's particularly interesting, if there's like a particular matchup that you were hoping to see right? Well, which ten candidates will be on stage together. We don't know yet that announcement will happen sometime after they pick the twenty candidates who are in the debate on Thursday night that announcement about. Who's on which night of the debate could be that announcement could come as early as Friday. We don't know but, but we shall see. And one last thing to keep in mind about this debate as we are closing in on it. I mentioned that the first debate starts fifteen days for mil well in the original criteria set by the DNC for how democratic candidates can qualify to get into this. I tonight night debate what the DNC said was that candidates could qualify for that debate. Based on polling specifically in polls publicly released between January first of this year and fourteen days prior to the to the date of the debate. So that's the that's the window of time in which you can qualify on the basis of your polling from the start of this year until fourteen days before the debate while tomorrow is fourteen days prior to the date of the debate, which means tomorrow is the drop dead date for any candidate who's on the bubble right now in terms of qualifying by polling tomorrow is the last chance for any poll to be published for any candidate who's trying to hit his or her numbers in a national poll any poll from anyone. The early states. Tomorrow. Polling wise, is the last chance. And we know there is at least one new poll coming out tomorrow from one of those early states, which we think will be qualifying poll. It's, it's a pull out of Nevada. It's conducted by Monmouth that poll is due to be published tomorrow, and that means that will be potential last chance lifeline for any candidate who has not yet. Hit one percent in three different polls that Monmouth Nevada poll coming out tomorrow might be the last chance. So good luck everybody. Let the gnashing of teeth begin. Let the twin deca gun battles take shape. There is a new national head to head general election poll that's out today from Quinnipiac. When I say a head to head general election poll. This is polling that pits. President Trump against six of the different democratic hopefuls in hypothetical one on one general election matchups. This is super interesting. This has to be driving the White House crazy in this new Quinnipiac poll, which, again is a nationwide survey. They put Trump up against six different Democrats in this nationwide poll Trump loses to Senator Cory Booker by five points. Trump loses to Indiana. Mayor Pete Buddha. Judge by five points. Trump loses to Senator Elizabeth Warren by seven points. Trump loses to Senator Kamala Harris by eight points. Trump loses to Senator Bernie Sanders by nine points and he loses to former vice president, Joe Biden by a whopping thirteen points nationwide. And those head to head national matchup polling numbers are as this headline in the Washington Post suggests brutal for President Trump and those head to head polling numbers arrive at the same time that the New York Times has just written article just published an article in which they obliquely reference, what they described as a quote, devastating. Seventeen state poll conducted by Trump's campaign pollster now we don't have access to that polling its internal polling created just for use by his campaign. But if Trump's own pollster just today, seventeen state poll that produced devastating results in terms of Trump's campaign prospects. Well. Well, you can see why the president and the White House might be feeling a little bit wobbly about how the reelection prospects look right now. And how the Democrats are looking to try to run against him. The president today told reporters at the White House that it's the phony witch hunt. In his words, that is the only thing that's hurting him in the polls. Maybe that's true. I mean, not not that it's phony witch-hunt, but maybe it's true that the ongoing scandal surrounding the White House and the president's campaign in his business. Maybe it's possible that, that is what's hurting his prospects for reelection. We've got news. For example, coming up just tonight about the president's eldest, son, having to come in and testify again, tomorrow before congress after members of congress loudly expressed concern that he may have lied to them under oath. The last time he was there. So the existential scandal surrounding this presidency are still circling and in some ways, they are still exceleron thing that Don jR story a head tonight. But honestly. Two and a half years into this, right? This far into the Trump era in Republican politics. If we have learned anything we should have learned that this president's ability to shock and to generate scandal is really limitless. It's not like there's just that one thing trailing around behind him and everything else is fine. I mean just right now, for example, he appears to be cooking up a whole new cabinet scandal. That might be worse than any of his other previous cabinet scandals. And by now he's pretty good at cabinet scandals, just because he's had so many of them in such a short time. This latest one though it has a hook on the end of it. That could prove to be an actual problem for the president and for his administration. But also for Republicans in the United States Senate, which is a constituency. The president really can't afford to get into much trouble right now. I mean when it comes to the president's top appointees, and his cabinet officials. This has been the long slow simmering ongoing scandal of his time in office. I mean, his top appointees, his cabinet officials. These are the most powerful people in the federal government. These are people appointed by the president to run huge agencies with billions of dollars millions of personnel under their control and under their command, but two and a half years into this presidency. I mean, this administration right now doesn't even have full-time fully-fledged confirmed. People running any of this stuff. There's an acting Commissioner of the food, and Drug administration acting administrator of the FAA acting, head of the small business administration acting director of US, citizenship, and immigration and acting, head of immigration and customs enforcement, the acting ambassador to the United Nations, and acting FEMA director, the acting secretary of the air force acting homeland security secretary, there's an acting Defense Secretary for months nail. And we know that, that, that part of the reason the upper echelons of the Trump administration have have been so filled with holes in what is now a persistent way. We know that part of the reason is because senior people get flung off from this administration into the author so quickly and so regularly, I think people don't even bother to change their address or forward their mail. When they get Trump administration jobs in Washington. It's I mean it's obvious just even if you only look at the top tier of the roster. In terms of who Trump has tried to put in place to run the federal government. It's obvious that there's something wrong when it comes to Trump's cabinet and his senior appointees, I mean, them failing and falling out, and resigning in disgrace, and leaving and scandal. And in some cases them getting arrested it started less than a month in, when the first Trump national security advisor had to go Mike Flynn and then the White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, and then the White House chief of staff. Priebus, and then the White House communications director, Anthony, Scaramucci. And then the senior White House adviser Steve Bannon, who had been the last manager of his campaign, and then the health secretary Tom Price, had to resign and a huge corruption scandal, and then the White House staff secretary when we all learned the dark reasons why he couldn't get a security clearance. He had to go and then the chief economic advisor, Gary Cohn, and then the secretary of State, Rex Tillerson and then another White House communications director hope picks, and then another national security adviser HR McMaster. And then the homeland security advisor Tom Bossert, and then the VA secretary, and then the ridiculous nominee who was supposed to replace the VA secretary. And then the head of the EPA has to resign and another gigantic corruption scandal, and then the attorney general has to go, and then the interior secretary has to go in yet another gigantic corruption scandal. And then another White House communications director, the guy from Fox News he has to go to, and then the Defense Secretary James Mattis, resigns in protest, and then the homeland security secretary gets fired as well. I mean, in check your watch who knows. Might be more just tonight. And I know I might have missed about thirty of them riffing those ones off the top of my head. And so we have seen this incredible rollercoaster of scandal, and disgrace and criminal trouble for all of these high ranking federal appointees and nominees from President Trump. But now as his reelection effort sort of needs to kick into gear, and as Democrats get ready to start their campaigns against him, now there's a problem in a specific corner of Trump's cabinet that that may be bigger than the others both in terms of its substance. And in terms of its implications for the president's most important allies on Capitol Hill, because President Trump's transportation secretary, Elaine Chao is married to the Republican leader of the Senate, Mitch McConnell, and there is now a snowballing series of corruption allegations around Elaine shell and how she has been running the transportation department under Trump. It started a couple of weeks ago when the Wall Street Journal reported that Elaine Chao had been directed by ethics officials that she needed to divest from a company that was directly related to her work at the transportation department ethics officials told her listen, if you're going to be secretary of transportation, you need to divest from this particular company. In which you hold a whole bunch of stock. She was directed to do that. She said she would but she did not divest from the company, she was told to do it officially she signed off an ethics agreements saying, she would do it. She said she would do it. And she didn't instead, she sat on hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stock in that company in that company happens to be in the words of the Wall Street Journal, the country's largest supplier of the crushed stone sand and gravel used in a road paving and building. I mean, she's literally, the federal official in charge of road, paving and road building for the country. She's the secretary of transportation, and she's decided to secretly keep her stock her tons of stock in the country's biggest asphalt company. That makes roads. I mean, really that's the one thing we can all make you should. I mean you know how it's become a joke that the Trump White House, keeps proclaiming infrastructure week, and then never doing anything about it. American public media was first to report that every time the Trump administration. Does that every time they, they tout their infrastructure plans, which they never actually do, but every time they talk them up one thing that really does happen is the stock price of that asphalt company jumps up the one that Elaine Chao hold stock in and so she gets a little richer, every time she talks about it, because she didn't divest from that company, even though she was told to she agreed to, and she said, she did she didn't. I mean that alone is about the size and shape of the corruption scandal that led to the resignation of Trump's health secretary, Tom Price. But but that's just one of them for Elaine Chao last week. The New York Times reported that when Elaine Chao plant her first visit to China as Trump's labor secretary her office cold ahead to the us embassy in Beijing. Because she wanted to arrange meetings for her family members with members of the Chinese government while she was visiting. Her family runs a big shipping company that does a lot of business in China. She wanted to arrange meetings, four Hurrell actives with Chinese government officials, and she wanted the US government to do that for her. The official who had just departed as jeopardy chief of mission at the US embassy at Beijing. When Elaine Chao sent over those requests of the embassy. He called that requests from Chow, quote, alarmingly inappropriate. And in fact, people were alarmed that request while Elaine Chao office was flagged by the embassy back to State Department headquarters in Washington, it was flagged to ethics officials in both the State Department and the transportation department after ethics officials in both of those departments were flagged to what child was trying to do with her. Family members eventually, Elaine Chao called off that trip Elaine Chao father and sister have served on the board of China state shipbuilding, which is exactly what you think it is. It's China state shipbuilding. While she as US transportation secretary has tried to cut grants and funding for US shipbuilding. Here at home. Her family's company has taken hundreds of millions of dollars in financing from banks controlled by the Chinese government. While Elaine Chao has brought her father who runs that company to in his words talk business with President Trump. Elaine Chao herself as transportation secretary has attended at least one celebration of a deal made between her family's company, an another firm that has lots of mass transit contracts in the United States and think about that for a second. I mean, that would be a really terrible. Look, if she was the kind of high ranking federal government official who had anything to say about mass transit funding in the United States. She's the transportation secretary. So in that case we've got a firm with huge mass transit contracts. Right. So that means we've got a firm in a position to benefit from mass transit decisions by her, and that firm chooses to do a hugely remember it of deal with her family's company. And then she as a federal official shows up in person to celebrate and bless and applaud that deal. I mean, that would be something right? That would be Elaine. Chao President Trump's transportation secretary and that was a leading up to the story. We covered last night from politico dot com in which we learn that Elaine Chao has also designated a special liaison inside the transportation department specifically to help her husband. Her husband is the top Republican in the Senate. Mitch McConnell political reports, and nobody involved denies that Elaine Chao as secretary of transportation, she has set up a unique process just for him inside the Labor Department to make sure that a special intermediary is always on hand to facilitate federally funded transportation department projects that her husband wants steered to his home state. While he runs for re-election bragging about all the federal dollars. He's been able to steer to his home state, according to politico, so far, this little special, arrangement inside the transportation department has paid off for McConnell to the tune of at least seventy eight million dollars in federally funded projects, so far. It's funny new other Senator has a special liaison in the transportation department to make sure their projects their chosen projects that might help their reelection efforts gets special. Attention. Nobody else has that. And so, and so, and so here come the democratic presidential debates. I mean, in any other year in modern American history. This much scandal around one serving cabinet official would be the theme song and the proposal force behind an entire presidential campaign to oust an incumbent president who had overseen something this rank. I mean as all of these stories have snowballed about Elaine Chao just for the past two weeks. I mean her department is denying that there's any impropriety whatsoever. But literally, this is the transportation secretary of the United States secretly profiting off her job by investing in the country's biggest road-building company while she's transportation secretary also using taxpayer resources to try to hook up her family's company in China and maintaining a whole parallel project approval system, specifically to benefit her husband who runs the US Senate, and who oversaw her confirmation there, and who has been given millions of dollars himself by her family. Why do they have millions of dollars because they run that company that she has used her office to promote? I mean. This is be- movie stuff. But I mean, this is that amalgamate just those two weeks stories about Elaine Chao is so much worse on the surface than what Tom Price resigned for than what Ryan Zinke resigned for than what Scott Pruitt resigned for. I mean, this is being movie stuff. But it is it is our B-movie. This is our small now. Oh. Nothing else. It does signify that this would be great time for there to be the start of national election. Joining us now is Chris Liu who knows how presidential cabinets work from his time up close as the secretary of the Obama cabinet. He also served as deputy labor secretary in the Obama administration mister Lou it's nice to have you with us. Thanks for being here, always. So I tried to put this in context. Against the fact that we know there have been a lot of scandals in the Trump cabinet. There have been a lot of resignations. There's been a lot of turnovers right now there's a lot of acting secretaries because they don't want to try to put people through the confirmation process still though, even against that backdrop. I feel like this last two weeks of reporting about transportation secretary Elaine Chao. It's something, it's sort of a magnitude that is greater, yeah. So let's, let's remember the tone, ultimately gets from the top. We've got a president who himself has mixed his own personal business. And government business. We've got it cresent who has said it's okay to reward your political supporters and punish your opponents. I mean, he goes to threatens to take money away from California and Puerto Rico, and yet he says, Alabama gets a plus treatment when they have a disaster. So this idea that they're cabinet should be putting their thumb in the scale to help either favorite projects or districts or states is not unusual. It's part of the ethos of how they do their business, but. More broadly on the cabinet scandals. Let's take a look at the central premise of what this president said he said, I could run government better as a businessman. I would hire the best people and this is a smooth running machine and everything that we've not only just seen over the last couple of weeks. But really the last couple of years disproves, all of the central tenants about how he runs his government in terms of accountability here, obviously talking about the tone being set from the top, and the general standards and expectations that exist for these high ranking officials in this presidency in this administration specifically. The congress has enough to go along with that, if they don't want to presumably, these cabinet officials could be impeached on their own terms, whether or not the administration was ever going to feel enough. Shame to force them out, or whether or not the Justice department was ever going to investigate any of these things, if there was potential criminal behavior. Yeah. I mean, look, it is hard to keep track in the swirl of daily scandals. What Madison doesn't matter. You know, you've got the house oversight committee that might hold Wilbur Ross who you haven't even mentioned in contempt for turning not turning over documents. But let's not forget, he lied to congress. He was asked specifically about the origin of the citizenship question in the census. And he said, I came from the department of Justice, we now know it did not come from the department of Justice, that would be a major scandal in any administration that a cabinet member had lied to congress, and that's sort of like a tier two in terms of scandal right now. But yes, ultimately, congress should be holding these folks accountable, congress ought to be in. House Democrats ought to be holding oversight hearings. But as importantly, they should be using the power of the purse to try to punish these cabinet members and you can do a lot of things in terms of carteling cabinet member travel or front office spending or cutting their stuff. Now, obviously you have to get these things through the Senate. But that's another powerful tool at the disposal of House, Democrats. And I'm glad they brought up the issue of the contempt proceedings in the house, as you mentioned Wilbur Ross and William bar. The attorney general are both going to face contempt vote in the oversight committee, because of a number of things and other elements of scandal around this question of adding a citizenship question to the census, but we've already seen with other committees and with other scandals. And with regard to the Muller report, we've seen committees pushed the issue of potential contempt of congress against William bar in ways that seems to have been productive both the intelligence committee and the judiciary committee were able to essentially get concessions. Get access to materials that the Justice department was otherwise denying them by pushing of contempt vote against bar right up until the point where they were ready to do it. And then bar sort of cry uncle at the last minute, and it hinders stuff over. I wonder if those contempt proceedings. Traditionally been used this way or if this is traditionally if you see that is an appropriate way to sort of get these cabinet officials into compliance and to get them to do things that they need to do so that congress on oversee them. You look traditionally being held in contempt of congress is not something that any cabinet member or Public Citizen certainly wants to be doing and so hopefully with the recent concessions that have come out of the Justice department, there are some in some cooler heads, prevail that indicated, you know what even if we don't want to comply even of the president tells us this is not his posture. This is not a good thing for the Justice department or Bill bar. And let's not forget, I mean, even when Republicans controlled the house of representatives, a sufficient amount of pressure was put so that Tom Price, and Scott, Pruitt, and Ryan Zinke, eventually resigned in part because of the really dogged reporting that report is did just, I mean, the crazy things that we learned about Scott Pruitt, and the mattress and the fifty dollar room that we've all since forgotten about. So look the. Press pressure, the public pressure, and ultimately congressional oversight can hold some of these folks accountable, but it really is kind of like a game of Wackle these days or so many of these things that pop up and given the swirl of news about Trump. It's hard to keep track of all of this agreed agreed on every on every point, Chris Liu former cabinet secretary in the Obama administration, sir, thanks for being here. I really appreciate you. All right. Much more to get to tonight. Stay with us. Hi, it's Katy Tur. Wanna keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go subscribe to the MSN BC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed during this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC to six eight six six to subscribe. The democrat controlled house passed resolutions, four three zero today, along party lines resolution, four thirty streamlines the process for enforcing subpoenas by congress, and for taking people to court when they defy those subpoenas, that means congress will at least theoretically have more leverage now against former White House counsel, Don Mcgann and William bar who are both defying subpoenas related to the molar investigation as well as other current. And former White House officials who choose to tell congress know when they get that legally binding subpoena in the mail importantly, today's resolution against which did pass the house. It also allows the judiciary committee and their chairman Jerry Nadler to go straight to court and ask a federal judge to approve the released to congress of grand jury material, which has been redacted from the mullahs report. A lot of what is redacted from the mullahs report is grand jury material. A federal judge must issue in order for that stuff to be used outside the grand jury. And shown to anyone the committee has been asking attorney general William bar to go along with them on making a request for that material to a federal judge. William bar has refused after this vote today, they will no longer have to wait on bar, and the Justice department to try to make that sort of request together. Instead, they'll be able to go ahead with that request to a federal judge themselves. We will move as quickly as possible to go to court against Don, Mcgann the president's former council and then he subsquent witnesses who disobey a committee subpoena. We are going to move quickly to court for access to grand jury material in the mullahs report. We have other subpoenas outstanding including for hope Hicks, and any Donaldson. And if they don't show up when they're supposed to they will be the targets of court enforcement judiciary chairman, Jerry Nadler, saying tonight that as you heard him say, they're going to move as quickly as possible to enforce their subpoenas in court, including and in addition, they will be going to move too quickly to ask for the grand jury material to release to them from the mullahs report. Again, that resolution passed today on a party line vote. It clears the way for all of that in terms of what's going to happen in short order tomorrow. All eyes will be on the house intelligence committee tomorrow morning. They're going to hold their first open herring on Muller's findings. It's a hearing. Titled lessons from the Miller report counterintelligence implications of volume one volume one of the mullahs report, of course, is about Russia's attack on our election and Russian contacts between the Kremlin, and the Trump campaign, and Trump's orbit, so that should be a very interesting hearing tomorrow. That's the second open hearing that the Democrats have held on Muller's findings thus far, one earlier this week in the judiciary committee, and they'll want tomorrow. And Intel, we also got word today about something else that's going to happen tomorrow, on the other side of Capitol Hill, this will be in the Senate intelligence committee. This one has the potential to set off some fireworks because. Eight involves the president's family, and we know from experience, that when the president's adult children are involved. It tends to be a super sensitive subject for everyone involved, especially for dad, the president, but not just for him that story's coming up. Stay with us. Who were the family members that you briefed on the Trump Tower Moscow project Don Trump junior and Yvonne ca Trump. Okay now with these in the regular course of business onto the president or family request briefings, this isn't a regular course of business call. There's a question on the number of briefings. Do you recall? How many they might have been? I'm sorry, sir. Do you recall? How many of these briefings might have been approximately ten proximity ten briefings on that issue right before Michael Cohen? President's longtime personal lawyer went to prison for among other things lying to congress. He went back to congress for a final round of testimony before the house oversight committee. He said that, although he had lied to congress previously, he now needed to correct the record. He wanted to answer the committee's questions truthfully. He wanted to lay all his cards on the table and in that final sworn testimony. Michael Cohen, basically, alleged, among other things that the president's eldest, son, Donald Trump junior had not been truthful in his own previous sworn testimony to congress. Now, this wasn't a total shock when Michael Cohen made that allegation. After Don jR had testified behind closed doors in the house. Congressional Democrats had openly charged that they believe Don jR lied to them in that sworn testimony, Don jR had also testified to the Senate behind closed doors. He had testified to the Senate Judiciary committee that one for bizarre series of reasons that committee ended up releasing the transcript of his closed door testimony. And so because we've got that transcript we can see verbatim. What Don jR told them when he was giving that sworn testimony? Well, remember what Michael Cohen told congress right before he went to prison? Is that he briefed on junior and Yvonna on the Trump Tower real estate project in Moscow approximately ten times? Well, Don jR was asked about that. Same matter when he was giving sworn testimony to the Senate Judiciary committee in September twenty seventeen. Here's how that went quoting from the transcript question that you have any involvement in this potential deal in Moscow, Don jR, answer, quote, like I said, I was peripherally aware. Of it. But most of my knowledge has been gained since as it relates to hearing about it over the last few weeks, I was only peripherally aware of it that does not necessarily jibe with being briefed ten times on the matter. Well tomorrow, the Senate intelligence committee is going to get Donald Trump junior back for more testimony. That's a Republican controlled committee. They subpoenaed, Don jR back in may after he failed to show up for two voluntary interviews with the committee. But now it looks like he has agreed to return to Capitol Hill for yet another closed door interview with members of that committee that will happen tomorrow this time. Of course, it's happening with the president's longtime, personal lawyer in jail in part for lying to congress on these specific matters. Are there real stakes here for the president, son? Is there potential serious legal liability here for the president, son? If so, how does that reverberate not just for him? But for his pops, hold that thought. Who were the family members that you briefed on the Trump Tower Moscow project Don Trump junior and Yvonne ca Trump. Okay now with these in the regular course of business onto the president or family request briefings. This isn't a regular course of business direct call. There's a question on the number of briefings. Do you recall how many they might have been? I'm sorry, sir. Do you recall? How many of these briefings might have been? Approximately ten maybe Michael Cohen was still not telling the truth to congress when he testified that way earlier this year. But if he was telling the truth there, and he briefed Donald Trump junior, ten times on the Trump Tower Moscow project. Well, then Donald Trump junior may not have been telling the truth when he testified to congress that he was only peripheral peripherally aware of that secret Russian real estate deal tomorrow. The Senate intelligence committee will interview Donald Trump junior again amid lots of claims by democratic members of congress that Mr. Trump, Mr. Trump junior I should say. Appears to have not been truthful in his earlier testimony, how high are the stakes here for him. And what could the implications be more broadly? Joining us now is Carol Lennick Pulitzer prize winning investigative reporter at the Washington Post, who's on this story for the post now, Carol, thanks very much for being here. It's really good to have you here. I'm glad to be here. Rachel, thanks. I almost called you Lennick that was odd. I'll call you mad out. Okay. It'll sound like we're in a team. Let me ask about sort of that, last question that I posed the potential stakes here for Donald Trump junior. We know that he rejected a couple of requests and attempts by the intelligence committee to get him into testify voluntarily, they did alternately issue a subpoena. Then there was negotiations that setup. Tomorrow's testimony one are the stakes here for him. Is this a potentially risky situation? I think anytime you're standing before a congressional committee under oath every single witness, as vice by their lawyers is on pins and needles to make sure that they don't make a misstep and catch themselves in a false statement. Whether you raise your right hand or you don't you're essentially giving testimony to congress, and it's a serious risk. If you misstate or, or intentionally lie in this case, Don jR, Donald Trump junior, forgive me is, is trying to head off a long extensive interview a deja vu. If you will. That was like his last interview before the Senate nine hours of testimony. He didn't want that he resisted that he kept trying to negotiate with his attorneys to have less time. Why should they have to answer all these questions again? It all it just increases that jeopardy. And now he's actually succeeded in, in whittling down. Topics to a much smaller number and is hoping to be done. I'm hearing in, in the early part of the day now that the mullahs report has are these three. Dr version, the Miller report has been made public are there substantial areas of incongruence between what molar found what Muller described in his report, and what we know Trump testified to at least before a different committee has his previous testimony to the Senate Judiciary committee. The transcript of that was made available. So we do know the kinds of thing he testified to that the to that other committee are there areas of incongruence in terms of factual assertions between Muller and what Trump has testified to before. Well, yes, there are depending on how you kinda gild the lily, depending on how you interpret, for example, you've highlighted one of them, which is this idea of having a, a peripheral awareness, that's not technically wrong, even if he did get briefings from time to time and wasn't really checked in and wasn't really listening to our readers ears. We're like peripheral awareness, ten briefings that doesn't compute. The other the other element that, that creates a discrepancy for Donald Trump junior is something, Michael Cohen also said, which is he alleged that he was in Trump Tower in Donald Trump's office when he was candidate and in came Donald Trump junior to tell his dad in sort of a sort of Che, whisper, that meeting is tomorrow. I'll let you know what happens and it was a day or two before the Trump Tower meeting that the president has insisted he knew nothing about, and Don jR has insisted he didn't tell an alert his father to the I guess I'm going to foreshadow your next question Rachel and just say that, you know, the risk here is alternately, even if both of those are in conflict is a minimal risk in the view. I believe of Donald Trump junior. Michael Cohen has pled guilty to lying multiple ways. So. So is he the best witness to allege that he knows what what he told John junior and it's different than what Don jR told congress? Right. If there is a he said, he said, conflict here, probably nobody's in trouble if there is a, he said, versus the provable truth here, then he may, then this may go additional steps, Carolina, investigative reporter with the Washington Post. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. You can call me anything you want, anytime you want. I'm glad to be here. Thanks for having, we'll be right back. Stay with us. Refi for was a firefighter in New York City on nine eleven. He responded that day survived. He spent eight months, working the pile searching for the remains of the civilians who died in the attack and for the remains of his fellow firefighters by two thousand nine eight years after the disaster Pfeiffer, hit developed, what started to be called the nine eleven cough, then he was diagnosed with cancer stage, four kidney cancer that despite his worsening health following year. He helped fight for the passage of the nine eleven health and compensation act which is a Bill to get healthcare benefits for survivors of the attacks and compensation for them as well. So that they and their families that have resources, they need to fight the cancer and other chronic illnesses, that have plagued the heroes who responded on nine eleven took a lot of foot-dragging, but ultimately congress passed that Bill. But they only passed it into law for five years. So five years down the line in two thousand fifteen Ray Pfeiffer, and his fellow nine eleven first responders had to be back on Capitol Hill, even though that Bill was popular. Congress still refused for months to take it up for a vote instead of meeting with Pfeiffer and his colleagues members of congress, according to Ray kept giving him their business cards. He memorably said he took those business cards and he threw them in the garbage because in his pocket, were the prayer cards from all the funerals he'd gone to funerals for his friends and the members of his battalion who died on nine eleven ultimately, the healthcare portion of that nine eleven Bill was fully funded through twenty ninety, but the compensation part of it wasn't. And it's now literally running out of money ahead of its expiration date in twenty twenty. Well this time Ray fi for isn't there to continue as advocacy. He died in twenty seven teen at the age of fifty nine. And so now it's up to the other nine eleven advocates to go to Capitol Hill nail again to try to fight for that second part of the funding so that first responders who were battling nine eleven cancers and chronic illnesses can focus on that instead of also having to grapple with the associating crushing financial distress. The great race. Pfeiffer would come down here his body riddled with cancer and pain where he couldn't walk and the dish respect shown to him and to the other lobbyists on this Bill. Is utterly unacceptable. You know, I used to get I, I would be so angry at the latest injustice that's done to these men and women. And, you know, another business card thrown our way as a way of, of shooing us away. Like children trick or treating rather than the heroes that they are. And will always be. Ray would say calm down. Johnny calm down. I got all the cards I need, and he would tap his pocket. Where he kept the prayer cards. Three hundred and forty-three firefighters. The official f the N Y response time the nine eleven was five seconds. Five seconds. Your indifference cost these men and women their most valuable commodity. So one thing to running out of. This should be flipped is hearing should be flipped these men and women should be up on that stage and congress should be down here answering their questions. As to why this is so damn hard and takes so damn long. And why no matter what they get some always pulled back and they got to come back. Thank God for people like right? Fight for thank God for all of these people who will not let it happen. Responded in five seconds. They did their jobs. Courage, grace. Acidy humility. Eighteen years later do yours. Thank you. Daily show host Jon Stewart today testifying alongside nine eleven first responders in their widows and surviving family members, they all pleaded with congress to restore funding for the victim's compensation fund in this time to make it permanent to make sure there's enough money to help victims for as long as they need it. So they don't have to keep coming back and doing this. We are told that they absolutely have the votes in the house to pass this without delay. The judiciary committee is expected to vote on it tomorrow. The Bill is also fairly popular in the Senate, and so- Mitch McConnell, could pass it right away. If he wants to this issue has always been a no brainer. There's never been substantial opposition to it. There's just been not carrying enough to get it done with any alacrity every time it's like pulling teeth just song sharing that does the first tonight we will see you again tomorrow. The witch meadow show on MSNBC. Hey, it's Chris Hayes from MSNBC. 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GOP words ring hollow as they block bill on foreign interference

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GOP words ring hollow as they block bill on foreign interference

"The racial matters show. We at nine eastern on MSNBC. There is a lot going on in the news right now. This is one of those days almost feels like a Friday. So after the president last night told ABC news that he would be happy to accept assistance from a foreign country to win the next election and no, you wouldn't necessarily call the FBI, if some foreign country offered him that assistance after that, after the president basically promised in that interview last night that he was basically looking for foreign help again in two thousand twenty just like he got from the Russians in two thousand sixteen in the wake of that from the president last night. There were a few adorable headlines out there today that suggested that here on earth, where we live Republicans in congress had finally found their breaking point. The president finally said something or did something that the Republicans in congress just could not abide. They would not abide they were going to stand up to him. I mean, this is one of those, those headlines Republicans lash Trump for being open to foreign upo. This one was also. Cute, Senate GOP or racist to break with Trump over accepting for an info. The racing to break with Trump. It isn't endurable idea right that the president inviting foreign adversaries to help him in the next election would be a bridge too far for Republicans in congress. It's cute. I mean if it if it had actually been a bridge too far for Republicans in congress. We wouldn't know it because of headlines like that we would not know it from stern disappointed words, they all had for reporters if what the president told ABC last night in that interview welcoming foreign countries to help them in the next election to help give him another term in the White House. If that actually had been a real problem for Republicans in the United States Senate, you would have been able to tell. Not from their words, but from their actions. Well, that got tested today this afternoon. Democratic Senator Mark Warner's the top democrat on the intelligence committee today. He moved to pass a piece of legislation in the United States Senate by unanimous consent. It was legislation that would do one simple thing, it would require campaigns to call the FBI if they got an offer of assistance for an election from a foreign country. I mean, all of these Republicans today, especially the ones who have to run for re election next year. All of these Republicans today, we're all seeking out the nearest reporter trying to earn themselves. One of these cute headlines which says, you know, of course, they would call the FBI. Of course, they insist that anybody should call. The FBI, of course, foreign interference in our elections is unconscionable in it's illegal and no, they just don't agree with the president here, when he says he would welcome help from foreign countries, and he personally doesn't think he would call the FBI. I mean, they're all saying that they're all trying to get a. Attention for that being their position. But sane is one thing. I mean Mark Warner introduced this standalone Bill today, which literally all set was, hey, let's commit to that. Let's make that a thing that you gotta call the FBI if you get contacted by a foreign government offering you assistance in the US election. If we are all in agreement on that, let's just say, that's the way it has to be. Republicans in the Senate blocked that today Senate GOP blocks Bill to require campaigns to report four and election assistance, Senate GOP also wants it to be known that they're really against it and they're superman at the president for saying that he wouldn't call the FBI and heat, but let's not actually going to do anything about it. In fact, we're going to actively intervene to block the Democrats from doing anything about it while they nevertheless, tried to get credit for being four more patriotic than Donald Trump on this subject. Just a staunching doesn't even take twenty four hours, who we are going to be speaking with President Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, live here in just a moment. About those remarks from the president about the president welcoming other countries to intervene in this next election in order to help him, Susan Rice, of course, was President Obama's national security adviser during the Russian interference effort in the two thousand sixteen election. She was a key nexus between the intelligence community and the executive branch when it came to assessing the dangerousness of what Russia was doing in our election in two thousand sixteen at what the US government should have tried to do in response to, to try to stop it. That was a time when we had a federal government that thought for an interference in our election was a bad thing, and it should try to be stopped. Susan Rice will be here, live in just a moment. I'm very much looking forward to talking with her about that. Also, actually looking for talking with her about this sort of, surprise pronouncement today from the Trump administration from secretary of state Mike Pompeo. That Iran, all of a sudden is a dramatically more dangerous threat to the United States than it has ever been before. And the United States is entering into some new sort of heightened oppositional status. When it comes to Iran, which has a lot of people worried that Mike Pompeo is trying to lay the groundwork for the us waging war on Iran, today, you may have seen the dramatic pictures of two oil tankers that were the subject of some kind of tack in the Gulf of Oman without presenting any evidence to back up the assertion secretary of state. Mike Pompeo rushed immediately to assertive highly produced news conference today at the State Department in which he pronounced that, that attack on those tankers in the Gulf of Oman, was definitely the work of your one, the US government has assessed that, that was definitely a Ron who did it now again, he gave no evidence to back up this assertion, and it's totally possible that it was the work of Iran, but the US government today. Jumping out, basically immediately upon reports of that attack on those tankers. Right. The US government jumping out immediately and saying they've completed their assessment. They have definitively concluded. It's definitely Iran, that is, what is making everybody how flashbacks to the run up to the war in Iraq in two thousand and three what's the evidence here? I should also mention part of this. That's really sticking out for me. While secretary of state Pompeii was making this case against Iran today. I should also mention that in addition to blaming Iran, immediately for the attack on this tankers today, he also tried to put that in context saying, this is part of an escalating series of events by Iran. We're not just looking at us that isolation. We're looking at a series of events in total. And when he talked about that series of events rattled off a number of other recent violent incidents in the Middle East and central Asia, which he blamed on Iran. One of those was a rocket attack in Iraq last month in which a rocket landed near the us embassy of heard about that, when it happened, that was may nineteenth where the reports of that, here, there has never, ever been a public State Department announcement or any formal assessment that it was Iran. Who did that? But today, they just listed that attack is something that Iran has to be held accountable for. They've never actually said that Iran. Did it before today? They put it on a list, along with a whole bunch of other things. They've never said were Iran before, either, including a car bomb that went off enough ghanistan on may thirty first four Afghan civilians were killed for you. A service members were wounded. And again, this was another thing that was on this list today of all the terrible, aggressive provocative. Violent escalating actions that Iran has recently taken that the US must respond to. But as with that rocket attack Iraq on may nineteenth this may thirty first car bomb in Afghanistan that they also put on a list. It also got a bunch of news coverage at the time you servicemembers were wounded, and that's hack. Well, when that happened, according to news coverage at the time the Taliban claimed responsibility for it the Taliban. Again today with no evidence, though, that was described as Iran's attack. It was described as one of the things that Iran has done, which the secretary of state put in this list of unprovoked attacks that present a clear threat to international peace and security. Now it may be that they have newly arrived at evidence that allows them to attribute all of these attacks to Iran, even though they've never done so before, but prove it. I mean, in the midst of everything else, going on the Trump administration does appear to be trying to create a public justification for us moving toward a war footing with Iran, and it is based on this assertion from the Trump administration that Iran is carrying out this, escalating series of violent attacks all over the Middle East, including targeting us. And if they are trying to set that as the context as the justification for whatever it is. They want to do to Iran. Presumably, they will have to actually show some of this evidence, right? They will have to show, some of their work as to how they are arriving at these assertions right now all the stuff they're blaming around for is stuff that has either been ascribed overtly to other actors or there's been no public evidence whatsoever to assert it being attributed to Iran. I mean it does clearly feel like they are trying to start something in terms of potential war with Iran. How they're trying to do it. I think is setting off alarm bells left, right and center, and I think across the partisan spectrum for reasons that aren't just because of what happened in two thousand and three but because they're even perhaps being more reckless in terms of the way they're presenting this public information, not even trying to prove what it is. They're asserting. So as I said, we'll talk with President Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice about that live here in just a moment. But like I said, it's one of those days, there's just a ton going on the Democratic National Committee as promised they have now announced the twenty candidates who have made the cut for the first democratic presidential primary debate that debate will be well underway. Exactly. Two weeks from right this second. Eek there are I think twenty four declared candidates in the democratic race. Twenty of the twenty four of them are going to get a podium of their own for one of the two nights. That, that debate will span a couple of weeks from now. We'll find out tomorrow night, which ten candidates are on which of each of the nights, but the four candidates who didn't qualify. Either either by pulling or by fund raising our former Alaska Senator at a previous presidential candidate named Mike gravel. Also, the mayor of a small, Florida city named Wayne Messim. He's the mayor of Miramar Florida also democratic congressman and decorated Iraq war veterans, Seth Moulton and also the two term democratic governor of red state, Montana, Steve Bullock, who is it's I mean he is one of the most popular governors in the country. He is running on the basis of his true claim that he is the only candidate in the race who has won a Trump state nationwide. Governor Bullock started his run quite late after overseeing the end of Montana's legislative session this year, which included him signing into law, some long, fought legislation, including Medicaid expansion in Montana, which got like ninety or one hundred thousand people in that state covered by health insurance. So Bullock has been vocally aggrieved about the fact that he has not made it onto the stage for this first debate. I think none of these four are happy about it Bullock. Has been the most outspoken about how upset he is that he's not going to be there on the stage, but neither Bullock, nor Molton or Wayne mess him, nor Microsoft is going to be there. That said, it's the it's the first debate I don't think there's any reason to expect that any of the four of them is going to drop out of the race because they're not going to be there at the first debate. But we shall see we'll have we'll have more on that coming up a head. We also learned today from the White House that White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders is going to be leaving her position among other things. She will go down in history as the White House spokesperson who stopped doing White House press briefings. She just stopped those eventually kind of all I have to say about that, which I think is fair. Given you know. Over the last few days, we have been covering the snowballing corruption accusations against a Trump cabinet secretary named Elaine. Chao Elaine Chao is the wife of the top Republican in the Senate. Mitch McConnell, she's the head of the department of transportation over the last couple of weeks, Elaine Chao has been the subject of just a remarkable string of news reports about how efficiently the department of transportation has been turned to the apparent financial advantage and political advantage of Elaine Chao and her family since she has been at the helm of that, large public agency, politico dot com. Reporting that Elaine Chao set up a special staff, arrangement inside the transportation department where a senior staffer was assigned specifically to oversee requests for federally funded transportation projects from her husband. Requests, that would benefit his state specifically, and that his Senate office, specifically prioritized as the Senator is running for reelection next year that politico dot com. Reporting follows reporting from the New York Times that Elaine Chao had also tried to get the State Department to arrange meetings for her family members with Chinese government officials Elaine Chao family owns a shipping company that does a ton of business with the Chinese government when she was about to visit China for the first time as Trump's transportation secretary she according to the New York Times called the US embassy in Beijing. To try to get them to arrange for her family members to sit in on meetings with Chinese government officials, while her family is doing business with the Chinese government. It was so wildly inappropriate as a request. It calls it caused the embassy in Beijing to contact State Department headquarters in Washington to say. What do you what do we? Seriously? I don't think that's exactly how they phrased it. But you get the ethics officials also reportedly alerted at both the department of transportation and the State Department ultimately after those ethics officials were alerted to what she was trying to do. Elaine Chao called off that trip. But that is not the first time since she has been Trump's transportation secretary that she has reportedly tried to hook up her family members and their business in politically sensitive ways, and that follows reporting from the Wall Street Journal that although Elaine Chao was told by US ethics officials that she had to divest from the country's largest supplier of wrote, making materials, which is not artificial out. Right, literally, she is the secretary of transportation, she's in charge of building roads. So that person can't be personally financially invested in the country's biggest road-building company because of that very obvious conflict of interest. She was told to divest from that company, she signed an ethics agreement saying, she would divest from that company. But then the Wall Street Journal recently reported she did not. She did not. And she continued to hold stock in that company as she has been serving as the transportation secretary hundreds of. Thousands of dollars worth of stock in that company, while at the same time her every utterance about infrastructure and road building and the potential priorities of the transportation department would goose the stock price of that company in which she holds tons of stock. The Elaine Chao growing ethics and corruption. Scandals would be would be amazing on their own even for the Trump cabinet. Right. Which is a very specific level of that's a threshold. I mean Pruitt price Zinke, Alex IB anyway, it would be a big deal. Those corruption scandals even just for the Trump cabinet, but because she is also married to the Republican leader of the Senate. And because he's implicated in some of this stuff. He has been given millions of dollars by Elaine. Chao father. As Elaine Chao has used her position as transportation secretary to boost her father's business in China. Right. He has been, he has personally benefitted from that to the tune of millions of dollars. Because the Elaine Chao corruption. Scandals are not just a Trump cabinet scandal, because they are also scandals that have proven to be of direct financial benefit to the top Republican in the Senate. This is this is bad. This is in this is back in a few different ways so far, the containment effort via lane Chow, and Mitch McConnell on this has been to try to laugh, it off play it all down. Assure everybody that this is no big deal in these allegations. Don't even bother them at all. Well, the Wall Street Journal reports tonight that Elaine Chao has now, finally actually sold off her gigantic stake in the building company from which she has been profiting, as recently as this month as secretary of transportation. So apparently, all this reporting did bug them a little mater, finally sell off that stock. But this, this is just one of those amazing days where like the news, a won't stop and be it keeps driving home, the same point over and over again. I mean when it comes to using your public position for private gain today, the Washington Post was first to report that the president and his family just pocketed, a few million dollars from the sale of this property in Beverly Hills, California. Now, it's obviously a very nice place. It's apparently like five thousand square feet. It's in Beverly Hills swimming pools movie stars, and this is an expensive property. President Trump owned in Beverly Hills. President Trump bought it twelve years ago, two thousand seven four seven million dollars. But you know what properties often a good investment that property has gone up in value last year. It was assessed by Los Angeles County to have appreciated significantly in value depreciated by over million dollars. Right. It was a seven million dollar purchase. When President Trump. Bought it in two thousand seven seven millions last year. It was assessed at eight point three million dollars. Has gone up last year assessed at eight point three million dollars. Turns out he just sold it for thirteen and a half million dollars. Hold on a second. That's almost double what he paid for it, and it's a sixty three percent hike over its assessed value from just last year. Why did somebody just radically overpaid the president for that property in Los Angeles? The Washington Post even contacted local experts to find out if maybe there was something going on here, that made sense in real estate, terms that wouldn't make sense to the rest of us just from looking at the basic math turns out. Nope. The chief executive of a luxury homes real estate agent local to the area tells the post, quote, seems a little rich to be perfectly Frank. Unless there is something spectacular about this house that I am missing. I don't think it's anything about the house that you're missing here. I mean, what may be missing in terms of understanding, the very, very inexplicably generous price that was paid for this property. Could be nothing about the house itself could be who owns it and who's buying. The house is owned by the president. We now know it was bought by an Indonesian politician. Somebody who ran for vice president in twenty fourteen in Indonesia, and according to the post, he is considering running for president of Indonesia, very soon. What better if you're going to run for president of a foreign country, right? What better way to cultivate, the affections of a very important very influential international ally? What better way to cultivate the interest influence and favor of the leader of the free world than just by stuffing several million dollars into his pocket. The post further reports that the sale was conducted off market, which means other people were not in bidding not involved in bidding on this thing. And of course, if it were involved in open market bidding, that would be one way to tell whether or not this was actually a fair market value for this property, but conducted off market. So it was a closed sale one bitter. And of course, the money really does just go to the president, because he never divested himself from his businesses, or his business holdings, nor did he ever set up anything like a blind trust. So he wouldn't know who was bribing him. I mean paying him for stuff. So that just happened. I mean it's been that kind of day, the White House today. Rejected advice from a federal ethics watchdog that Kellyanne Conway should be fired should be removed from federal service for repeatedly violating the law. That says you cannot while you are a public servants campaign for individual candidates, or try to influence elections. She had repeatedly broken that law, according to the ethics watchdog, a federal agency that oversees implementation of the hatch act, which bars that sort of thing, she repeatedly broken it, they assessed her conduct after they had repeatedly warned about her previous illegal actions of this kind, the White House is blowing it off. And denouncing the agency for having suggested that she should be fired for breaking that law. What a stupid law. This is this is one of those days that just kind of remind you how far you can slide as a country over a short period of time when there really aren't breaks. To stop a determined president from blowing up all these norms that we thought were permanent things. Even though Susan Rice was national security advisor, as recently as two and a half years ago because of how far we have slid. In the meantime, Susan Rice, literally at this point feels like a visitor from another planet. But I'm happy to put on my spacesuit and meet her here next stay with us. Hi, it's Katy Tur. Wanna keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go. Subscribe to the MSNBC daily newsletter you'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. This is one of those striking moments. That happens sometimes in an interview, not frequently, but every once in a while you're doing an interview where you think you know where it's going, you think you understand how the conversation how the QNA is going to proceed. But then all of a sudden something happens, and it's like Powell right in the kisser. Imagine Rachel that you had one of the democratic nominees for twenty twenty. On your show, and that person said, you know, the only other adversary of ours, whose anywhere near as good as the Russians is China. So why should Russia have all the fun? And since Russia is clearly backing Republicans. Why don't we ask China tobacco us, I hereby tonight, ask China. That's right. And not only that China if you're listening. Why don't you get Trump's tax returns? I'm sure our media would richly reward shoe. So if after this hypothetical democratic candidate says this on your show, within hours, all of a sudden, the IRS offices are bombarded with incredibly sophisticated cyber tools looking for Trump's tax returns, and then extracts them, and then passes them to whatever the new WikiLeaks happens to be, and they start being unraveled and disclosed. Nothing wrong with that. I mean, if you're going to let Russia get away with what they did and are still doing according to Christopher Ray. The current FBI director who said that last week there in our election systems. We're worried about twenty twenty. He said, so, hey, let's have a great power contest in, let's get the Chinese in on the side of somebody else, just saying that shows how absurd the situation we find ourselves. And I was former secretary of state, former democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton here on this show last month with a hypothetical a hypothetical meant to be so outrageous, it could rhetorically dramatize, how bad, it is that Republicans in the Senate or blocking the passage of any legislation to secure our elections in two thousand twenty given that the Russians intervened in our last election to help their party's candidate win. I mean, this, this was a rhetorical device from secretary. Clinton last month. Now just imagine heading into twenty twenty if some candidate just flat out openly started seeking the help of more foreign governments. Well last night. In fact, President Trump told ABC news that he is totally open to taking political assistance from foreign governments for the next election sees no problem with it, quote. They have information I think I would take it. Until recently, it would it would have been unthinkable, that someone in US politics, would try to get away with accepting foreign assistance in a presidential election until very, very recently. It was unthinkable that anybody would admit to doing that, even if they had tried to get away with it secretly. But now, now it's even a promise for the future planning on it. Joining us now for the interview, I'm very pleased to say, Susan Rice, Dr Rice's, national security adviser, and US ambassador to the United Nations, and the Obama administration's, he's also the author of tough love, which is a new memoir, about her life and career in public service. That is due out this fall ambassador rice. It's really great to have you. Thank you so much for making time tonight. It's great to be with you. Rachel who Nanu exactly? My spacesuit has a leak. Let me I've mentioned that I felt like you were from another planet because I do feel like talking to you about your time in the Obama administration is like visiting a time when not only did a lot of norms in our politics exists. But we thought they were durable and one of them was the idea that it would be for boating, embarrassing, and potentially career ending to be caught. Accepting foreign helping an election, let alone bragging that you'd want to do it in the future. What was your reaction to hearing that from President Trump last night? I mean, Rachel all of us have heard so many things over the last two and a half years that it takes a lot to shock one or shocked me even and yet again, this was one of those crazy moments the thought that the president of the United States, who sworn an oath to the constitution is essentially saying that he is playing on the foreign team rather than the American team is extraordinary. He invited yet again interference in our electoral process. He admitted that he has no problem with collusion and would happily do it again. And worst of all, in my opinion, he seems to have no concern about the consequences of an American president being beholden to a hostile foreign power. Because any foreign power that offers the president of the United States or his representatives information that helps him in his election campaign knows that president if elected is in their pocket and they can manipulate him, which may in fact, be what we've been seeing for the last two and a half years. So it it's quite extraordinary as you said that it's so out in the open. It shows extrordinary disregard for our democracy, for the integrity of our elections for our values nation. He aligns himself against our institutions are law enforcement are FBI, our intelligence community and sets himself on the side of leaders like Putin and Kim Jong UN. It's a very, very distorted upside down world, and I hope very much that the American people do not forget the difference between right from wrong normal and absolute. Abnormally, which is what we're experiencing in these times. I think when we as Americans had a conceptualize this type of problem, a president, being allied with a foreign entity welcoming foreign assistance to undermine his domestic political enemies, and we thought about that even we conceptualize it for fiction and scary movies, and stuff. I think we all assumed that the remedy for it would be exposure that the way that you would fix some sort of threat like that in our country and respond to it would be to investigate it prove it brought to the attention of the American public, and then it's over. Right. We thought that would be the way that it ended what you're describing here about somebody, having benefited from foreign influence, then potentially being in the pocket of a foreign country because of having accepted that assistance. What is the remedy for that? If exposure doesn't work well, exposures critical and the role of the free press in our society, particularly in these times cannot be overstated. But there's also something called separation of powers and checks and balances and our system is constructed on the premise that we have three Coequal branches of government, and that requires that each of the three branches uphold their constitutional responsibilities. And I think the greatest weakness in the system apart from, of course, what we see in the White House and throughout the executive branch is the failure of the president's party in congress to uphold its obligations to accountability to oversight to truth indecency, and in that context, what we're learning is when one branch falls down on its responsibilities. And another branch doesn't step up to do its job. Our system is, in fact, not as strong as we, perhaps, thought it was, I'd like to ask you a process question here that I think there's a factual answer to it. And I think you can tell me I don't think it's any I don't think it's a secret. And I think for me it helps me understand how the lines of accountability should work here. If for example in twenty twenty. Some countries some adversary somewhere or some, some country that has interests in the United States and once its way with us does decide that they are going to intervene in our election substantive way that they're going to put their they're going to use their intelligence capacity. They're going to provide assistance. They're going to tap one candidate or the other, and try to help them or use them in some way for their own aims. If the intelligence community realizes that's happening. They, they figure that out through their own capacities. If the element in the US election system that is getting that help that has had those foreign contacts. And that's accepting it is the president's campaign who should the intelligence community briefed that information to. I mean you wouldn't go to the perpetrator to say, hey, we've got important information that you're the perpetrator, would you would they go to the gang of eight would they go to congress and not directly to the president. If the president turns out to be the bad guy in something they figured out is going on. Well, fortunately, that's the dilemma we haven't encountered today, but it would be in my estimation, the obligation of the intelligence community to not only brief the appropriate executive branch officials, including the president's cabinet the president and the vice president. But it would also require that they do brief congress. And as you said, the gang of eight which, as you know, are the four leaders on either side and the leaders of the intelligence committees. And that is the inner sanctum so to speak of congressional oversight of the intelligence community, and the intelligence community has a long established relationship with that gang of eight as well as with the intelligence community committees themselves. So I would think it would need at a minimum to brief the gang of eight and possibly more broadly, the intelligence committees on both sides. But if the president. Was the one who was working with a foreign power in a way that was illegal under US law and an intelligence concern for the intelligence communities. They would have to brief it to the president. It's hard to see how they avoid that and less, they refer through law enforcement channels. And. The Justice department cough and. The courts are able to do their duty, but it's hard to imagine how the executive branches is uninformed at the highest levels about a finding of that, sort. By the intelligence community. Wow. Even when it implicates the head of the executive branch himself. That's amazing. As I said, we this is uncharted territory thankfully, and let's all pray that we don't get there. But if we did, I think the intelligence community would have obligations to brief both congress and the executive. Well, Madame amounts to have an another matter like to ask you about something that we learned about in the news today if you could stick around with us, I'd love it. Good to be with you. We'll be right back with former national security adviser. Former US ambassador to the UN Susan Rice, stay with us. Joining us once again is Susan Rice, former national security advisor in US ambassador to the UN, and the Obama administration investor rights, thank you for sticking around much appreciated. One of the things I wanted to ask you about was from today's news today. Two tankers two ships were attacked in the Gulf of Oman, almost immediately. We got anonymous US officials telling reporters that Iran was to blame for the attack and then right away. Really quickly this afternoon. We got secretary of state. Mike Pompeo setting up a press conference in which he stood in front of photos of the burning tankers. And he said that the US government's official assessment is done, and it is unequivocal, and he is now on the record publicly accusing Iran of that attack and a whole bunch of other attacks. The secretary of state didn't present any evidence to support any of those assertions, but he is accusing Iran of an escalating series of violent attacks in a way that makes me feel very nervous. And one of the reasons I wanted to ask you about this not. Because I know that you don't have current knowledge about what's going on with this exact situation. But I wanted to ask if this looks to you like a normal process in terms of how our government is handling this and how responsible they're being in terms of what they're telling the public in terms of evidence for these assertions. But Rachel obviously, I don't have the benefit of the latest internal information. But I thought it was very swift. And very unequivocal. Pinpointing of Iran is the perpetrator. I'm a no position to say it's mis- misleading or false. And in fact, Iran has threatened to take action that would impede the free flow of shipping in the strait of Hormuz as a result of the extreme economic pressure that the administration has placed on Iran despite the fact that Iran was adhering to the nuclear deal. But we what we have now is a very dangerous situation. What happened today in the Gulf was was illegal? It was dangerous and it could have cost lives and it could lead to a very. Dangerous. Escott escalatory spiral. And I do think as you earlier in the show, went through the litany of sins that secretary Pompeii was -scribed to Iran much of those that litany of sins has not been validated. Indeed attribution for today's attacks have not been backed by any evidence and I think in the current environment, even if the or even or especially the administration is confident in its evidence, it ought to share it and share it. Not only behind closed doors in the United Nations Security council. But with the American people in the world more broadly, because for variety of reasons, not least, because we have a president who according to the Washington Post is told more than ten thousand lives during the course of his tenure, there are many who rightly are questioning the veracity of what is said by senior members of this admit. A stray Shen. I hope that, that is not the case in this instance, I hope that the secretary of state would not stand before the American people. Tell a bald face lie about something as important as this. I want to believe that when he presents such evidence that he does so in good faith, and on the best information, but there is nonetheless, quite a lot of reason why people in this country and elsewhere would question it, and therefore disclosing the evidence making it plain to everybody to see and then to be very thoughtful and deliberate about how to respond to that evidence is critical. Now, Susan Rice, former national security adviser, former US ambassador to the UN and the Obama administration, author of the forthcoming book, which is called tough love about her life in public service, not a master. It is really excellent to have you here. I hope you'll come back sooner than it has been since the last time I saw you. It's really nice to have you on the air. Thank you. I look forward to coming back. Thanks very much. All right. Much more to get to tonight. Stay with us. All right. Here's something that I think is a sort of remarkable update a remarkable next chapter in a story that we've covered from the very beginning on this show, the Flint, Michigan lead poisoning disaster. You might remember that the poisoning of the water supply in Flint, wasn't a natural disaster. It was a man-made catastrophe that poisoning happened because of over actions taken by that state's government under Republican governor Rick Snyder. Well, one of the things that has happened in the wake of the Flint disaster. As Flint has tried to take care of the people who were poisoned and take care of the damage in their city, which is still an ongoing fight. One of the thing that has happened since is that there have been criminal prosecutions as of last year. Fifteen state and local officials had been charged with crimes for that disaster crimes ranging from neglect of duty to involuntary manslaughter. Then this year, the state government in Michigan turned over a new democratic governor, new democratic attorney general, we're elected by the people of Michigan. And once they took over at the start of this year. We started to get the first inkling that there might have been something wrong there that there might have been something going on under the surface with those Flint criminal prosecutions something that for some reason was greeted with alarm by the incoming administration. Once they got in there and figured out, what was going on. Well, it's all been vague. There's been a lot of hints, but no real specifics until today we got the most dramatic possible announcement about what's going on here today. They announced they have dropped all pending Flint water prosecutions. They've dropped all eight of the pending cases dropped them without prejudice. Which means they are signaling. They could bring them back. They could bring new prosecutions in some other way possibly and other charges possibly against the same people. Possibly against new people. The fact that they were dismissed without prejudice means that this doesn't mean that charges won't come back. But why are they all dropped? Leading up to this news. There had been reporting over the past several weeks about an extraordinary amount of potential evidence that the new prosecutor said had never been examined by law enforcement. The way it should have been. As part of that reporting. There was a little ripple of shock that went through the Michigan president a little bit through the national press, when it turned out that one of the things prosecutors wanted to see from scratch, a new was Republican governor Rick Snyder zone phone, and his state provided computers and devices. Governor Snyder's devices are now being looked at by the new prosecutors who have taken over these cases with this change in Michigan government, and that may be part of what's going on here. But here to me is the most interesting thing Michigan. Michigan attorney general's office, made this renown dramatic announcement today about dropping all the pending Flint water prosecutions, and they told people, yes, we know this is going to cause a lot of questions. We understand we have a lot of explaining to do about what happened here about what we think was wrong, and why we have taken this dramatic step and what we are about to do next. But they said today, we are not going to do any of that explaining until June twenty eighth. No questions until then. Well. What's June twenty eighth? Turns out, June twenty eighth is when the lead prosecutors are going to do any event in Flint for the people of Flint. So the people of Flint can hear the explanation I in terms of what happened, and what is next and then after the people of Flint have been briefed, then the rest of it can hear it after. So June twenty eighth whatever has gone on here. The people of Flint are going to get the explanation, I they are going to be the first people who have the opportunity to ask questions about it, and then the rest of us come next. This is not like a surprise curveball. Right. This is like a UFO landing in the infield incredible development in the story. I would usually at this point say, watch this space, but honestly watch Flint. Today. You might have seen that Trump national security advisor, Mike Flynn received a subpoena to testify intelligence committee, about the Muller investigation. He and Trump deputy national security adviser. Rick gates were both subpoenaed today, and it may be a little tricky, because both of them are also simultaneously awaiting sentencing right now on federal felony charges related to stuff that turned up in the Muller investigation. But when it comes to Flynn, this may be trickier. Still this is something we've been watching develop all week as Flynn heads toward what we expect to be the end of his own criminal case, as you know, Flynn recently, fired his longtime lawyers and instead hired a new lead lawyer, who's a regular on Fox News, where she calls, Robert Muller, the real crook, and the FBI, the real crime, family and says that Flynn never should've pled guilty and the judge of his case doesn't know what he's doing because Flint hiring that lawyer, there's been a lot of speculation that Flynn might have hired that new. Lawyer because he's trying to persuade the president to give him a pardon. This isn't the kind of lawyer, you would hire to persuade that judge to give you a light sentence. We've been watching this over the course of this week watching for signs that any sort of pardon effort might be coming from Flynn. Well today we got a pretty good sign. The president's first tweet of the day, praising Flynn for hiring, this great new lawyer, a presidential thumbs up for Mike Flynn president has so far, not pardoned anybody in conjunction with the Russia scandal. But it does feel like those are the train tracks that are being laid down in the Flynn case. So watch this space, stay with us. Told you this felt like a Friday, doesn't it amount of news that broke over the course of the day, and then into the night and no rest? Well that does for us tonight. We will see again tomorrow high. It's Lawrence O'Donnell, if you love MSNBC where your heart on your sleeve, you can gear up with t shirts. Hoodies hats and more from the last word and all of your favourite MSNBC shows you can shop now at MSNBC store dot com.

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NPR News: 03-27-2019 3PM ET

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04:57 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 03-27-2019 3PM ET

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Comcast business having the nation's largest gig speed network was just the start. Now, they're providing gig fueled apps and solutions that exceed expectations and help businesses perform Comcast business beyond fast. Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Windsor Johnston. UK Prime Minister Theresa may says she will resign after she delivers Brexit as NPR's. Frank Langfitt reports from London. The prime minister says she will not lead the country into the next stage of the process negotiating a free trade agreement with the European Union may spoke to the nineteen twenty two committee of powerful backbench members of parliament in her own conservative party. She said she knows her party wants new leadership and pledge not to stand in the way, quote, I'm prepared to leave this job earlier than I intended in order to do what is right for our country, and our party may lawmakers inner conservative party tobacco Brexit plan, which parliament is voted down twice by enormous margins after which she said she would make arrangements to step down if parliament passes her Brexit deal on a third try, and that's a huge if the UK would leave the EU on may twenty second. Frank Langfitt, NPR news, London. President Trump is defending. His administration support for repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act and PR's Asia Roscoe reports the Trump administration is asking Republicans in congress to come up with an alternative. Trump says the Affordable Care Act also known as ObamaCare is not working for the American people. He argues that deductibles and premiums are too high under the healthcare law this week. Trump's Justice department called for it to be struck down in court, and if the supreme court rules that ObamaCare is out we will have a plan that's far better than ObamaCare. But Trump isn't saying what that plan would be for public has tried but failed to repeal and replace the law after Trump took office win the party controlled both the house and Senate Aisha Roscoe NPR news the Whitehouse top. Transportation officials are testifying before a congressional committee on Capitol Hill today, the hearings follow the deadly crashes of two Boeing seven thirty. Kevin max planes one in Indonesia in October the other in Ethiopia this month. Transportation secretary Elaine Chao says she's taking several steps to determine what went wrong. I I've asked the department's inspector general to initiate an audit to compile a detailed factual history of the activities that resulted in the certification of Boeing seven thirty seven max eight hundred involved in the accident. Members of the National Transportation Safety board and executives from Boeing or also testifying Boeing his rolling out corrections to its flight control software today, the seven thirty seven max jets have been grounded for weeks in the aftermath of the deadly crashes. Stocks are trading lower on Wall Street at this hour, the Dow Jones industrial average is down sixty five points. The NASDAQ composite down sixty the S and P five hundred down fifteen. This is NPR news from Washington. Pressure is mounting against Algeria's long-term president after a party in his ruling coalition has called for him to step down. NPR's Eleanor Beardsley reports this comes a day after the country's top army general as for the L ING leader to be declared unfit for office. Eighty two year old Abdelaziz Bouteflika, a hero of the Jerry war of independence from France has been in office twenty years, but he's rarely been seen in public since suffering a stroke in two thousand thirteen crowds began protesting a month ago when it looked as if he would seek a fifth term boot Affleck agreed not to run again, but he also postponed the April eighteen presidential vote. Protesters now say they will not back down until the whole opaque power structure, which includes top businessmen and the military is gone France with it, Sal Jerian diaspora in the millions is closely watching events from across the Mediterranean. Eleanor Beardsley NPR news, Paris smokers Empey. Continues to struggle with massive flooding in the aftermath of cyclone that devastated the region earlier this month Sasha Myers spokesperson with save. The children says tens of thousands of people remain in shelters. Absolutely everything has left to have is. That addition. They've lost all of the field, which means now intensive they fear. You can they income? They're in a very very dicey situation. Hundreds of people in Mozambique's and Bob way and allow we were killed in the cyclone the ficials say, they expect the death toll to rise on Wall Street. The Dow was down sixty one points. This is NPR news.

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Are The Beatles Cool? Trumps Hollywood Star Is A Lie 6.24.19

The Daily Zeitgeist

1:14:18 hr | 1 year ago

Are The Beatles Cool? Trumps Hollywood Star Is A Lie 6.24.19

"Hey guys, it's Jack from the podcast. You're listening to I'm gonna level with you guys. I spent a big chunk of my life addicted to nicotine, and it's. I had to use various like nicotine pellets, and like a book to get off of it. But one way that people quit nicotine products and quit smoking is by using vape products. And we're you say they've sued dude, you're, you know what it is, who is this your boy, vape crusader, dude hailing from the planet of apes born in a puff of smoke from mouth. Veve Suva's, dude. It's the one cloud stepper hailing from the best been cloud city. Okay. Look, I get it. Dave's aren't for everyone, you know, because not everyone is as sick as me. Okay, got it. If you're gonna go get your vape products dude, get your pods, your module juice. You gotta visit vape while dot com. All right. They've got over one hundred flavors of you liquid. They got introductory sample pack for just one dollar including shipping, and in-house, customer service team that will answer any of your questions. Man. Wait to see you in a photo of the White House HR. No, it was still White House. Presidential personnel office, dude, you probably saw me vaping. And then I. The deputy director, sir. Anyways guys, go to vape wild dot com slash daily warning on Mike. Cloud, dude. I can't see anything realism the missed, bro. We're it's not weird. It's what we do. Anyway, warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive substance. Yeah. Clearly. Oh. The whole room is filled with smoke. I smoked front of my face vape. Oh, my bed. Hello. The internet and welcome to season. Eighty eight episode one of Daly's. I guy to production of iheart radio. This is a podcast. We take a deep dive into America share consciousness and say officially off the top foot coke industries and fuck Fox News. It's Monday, June twenty fourth two thousand nineteen names. Jack O'Brien AK jerkin Cobb, aka, I Jack Boehner, others are some anagrams, courtesy of somebody's name my fails, right down. But I'll get him later and I'm thrilled to be joined by my lovely and hilarious and talented guest co host lacy Moseley. Okay. I came prepares the seven sack flame. I wrote this aka Jericho. I'm gonna take my scam through the tower road. I'm going onto I came no more. I'm going to say Moscow through all town road. I'm going to com- to Latino more. I've got your social in my bag. Your credit got mad got so many wigs and fake. The Justice, you'll never find my ass. Better ken. Nobody catch me. No. All the warrants. Alright. Yarn. Little insight into your methods weeks. Put threats in our. Yeah. And it's me Lacey. Mosley K scam. God is. This is good to have. I appreciate the effort and be executed. Thank you so much. I do this for your. I know while we are thrilled to be joined in our third, by the hilarious and talented tiff Stephen. What's up? Welcome back. Thanks. I didn't prepare anything I was just slowing way by. It was like, yeah, yeah. Just I'm just gonna say, hi, and it will be around to I'm up to, but it's to having me back. Your accent is enough of a pleasant surprise. I'm sure for the list, I'm sure that there are some people out there who are Anglophiles who are semi erect, right. All right. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking about today, such as an update on the bachelorette something happened with a gentleman by the name of jed Wyatt. And we're going to bring in Sioux producer around Hosea to talk about that we have a new inductee to the hundred billionaire club. And you know, we always like to keep our eye on, on the prize on where we wanna be right? We all wanna be one hundred billionaires here, and in America, we're going to check in with our recurring segment is the DR cancelled. We're going to talk about the facts. Elaine Chao, who is Mitch McConnell's waif and the new Scott Pruitt, we're gonna talk about the Beatles because they're these guys are back in the news. The Beatles of you heard about these guys. They have a new movie. They don't have a new movie coming up. But there's a new movie about their music coming out called yesterday. That Lacey is seen sneak preview, so scam scam and we're going to talk about Trump's star on the walk of fame and just stars on the walk of fame in general. What the walk of fame is why we shouldn't give shit about that. But I if we like to ask our guests, what is something from your searches theory that is revealing? Oh, I at revealing from my set history since I've been here because I've seen it a few times, and my boyfriend. Sorry fiance, so field size. How Steve H and yeah. Yes, we got engaged at Christmas. Congratulations, you to you'll be excited when he finds out, so. He's wearing a t shirt with, with the foot sign from Silverlake. And so I was searching the history of the foot sign in Silverlake, because I've seen every time I've been to ally and the happy foot inside for. And one of the feet is on crutches. It's all kind of a bit bizarre because the feet of hands and feet attached to the actual fate. But it's, it's, it's from cooled Waikiki in Los villas, and every time I go buy some t shirts from the because he's mulling it. Molly. Malia so well. We're gonna turn. Yes. Okay. So. Yeah. It's a cartoon drawing of a of a happy foot that looks to be giving the thumbs up. Yeah. And then the other foot you described it as sad foot. But I it seems like it's yawning and. Yeah. Scratches was a bandage broken taco. This is the first time I've seen this. I've never seen LA staple. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's a staple of the eastern regions of Los Angeles. Apparently because Anna hose Niyaz looking at lacy. And I like we are idiots. Oh, it's great. It's never seen this. It spins rounds. Yes. So you get the happy on the side. I think he's probably for people who live over that way, a sign of, like is going to be good day bad day, so I seeing Magpies do you have the Mike piping hit? Oh, in the UK. We have a thing where, if you see Mike parts bide lock. But if you see two is good luck. Is that like a horse poop? It's a but I don't know what you call them hit. They're called. He's just not a bird watch. So if you see one, it's like is one for sorrow chief Ajoy, three, four for boy, I didn't even know it's just a stupid rhyme, like in the UK, everything has to rhyme for no fucking apparent reason. Anyway. So yes, it's, it's said this I think people view it. Like, are you seeing the happy foot or the Saad, for which one are you going to say and I like to take kind of messages from machines and signs and stuff, Steve, in LA story, right? Yeah. Take my on the tree. But as us we have a little you have an oyster called where you tap. You'll call on sometimes it was I incomplete, Johnny. And I feel at that spiritual. Financial, you're going to die. You're not gonna make it to where your life hosted and cut short today. I wouldn't want the MTA giving me there. What does he say when you top heels? Fuck you. As horrible. There's no words on those metro cards when you swipe it just tells you how much money you, it's all about money. It just like you need to give us more. You are not rich. And all right. What, what we take from it. Yeah. I do I have I used to do a thing where I put my like phone or ipod even back in the day on shuffle. And I will be like I wouldn't let myself skip songs. I'll be like whatever the journey is that my ipod shuffled takes me on that is like, what I'm how I'm supposed to be feeling at the moment. That's very revealing about your personality. Yes. Exactly able, I chess. So I like that taking taking cues from tales would be funky. What do you tell me? I guess it would be right. Right. Yeah. I'm used to give me an idea what those Magpies though and everybody else out there. Have you guys still doing those gender reveals released some bird yet? Yeah. Three four girl, four, four boy, encourage that problematic party just because I like parties. What does something you think is underrated? Oh, I k- underrated changing your mind, underrated is changing your mind. Yeah. Yeah. I think with so very glued to our opinions, these days and politically, especially we punish politicians for changing their minds because you call it flip. Flopping hair, right? Yeah. Flip-flopping industry, they call it thumbing thong. Oh, that's just. Co flipflops. It's fun. But I like the idea that I like the idea that they would have Cisco going around to politicians. Yeah, but I think what information changes your ideas should change. Yes. So let's give Donald Trump a chance, right? Yeah. I mean. But you know what I mean? Like, in terms of, like strong ideas, loosely held, I think, is the idiom that said quite often, so that you can be passionate and committed to causes and beliefs, but you have to hold onto them loose leaf you learn new information or something changes to not be so glued like I in the two thousands, I will maroon five album. I stand by that now. No. Oh, I think Adam LeVine is a cult Menaka is not allowed to say that on here. Yeah. Whatever curse word. Yeah. I've never Silat TAT's in place of personality. Right. So. This is the first time I'm hearing, cock knocker, and I'm picturing, somebody like, do you know how, like people who crack safes will like knock on it. And like listen. That's what I'm picturing, good image. Yeah. Yeah. Just like someone's cock, just like knocking on putting their ear up to it is that that's probably not what it means. Because I mean you say twelve we say Thuat, so, you know, we have all different we have all curse words, very, very different. I guess what I'm saying is done. Get my return idea like I want to date some days possibly habit for wild and Gunston completely. Like, yeah. This imagery is very promising. I'm sure for your fiance room don't get act like you're going. And then bring my ideas to put cast. No. I think that's just generally good good, philosophical advice. Really? I, I wish there was a way to publicize that more the issue with politicians is they'll change their opinions. But then, lie and say that this was always their opinion. And I wondered why no one uses that to shut things down. Like I got more information, and I changed my mind and more people should do that one Affleck's instead of just being like no, I didn't say that in two thousand and two and then we roll the tape back like. I don't know why deny became like the biggest thing I mean it works for scams. It does if you deny something long enough, you can change the whole narrative of truth is an illusion. Well, I think if people feel trapped by being able to make a mistake, I guess, whereas when you actually go. Oh yeah, I feel completely differently about this now. I'm sorry. That's all I've learned something. And that was a bad thought or idea or like. Yeah. I think admitting you've changed your mind based on new information is like an empowering thing because so many people like our whole media complex is different people acting like even if they don't say, I never held that belief. They say whatever they're thinking now, as if it was, this is the obvious thing that they've always thought that way. So. Yeah. I think just being like. Yeah. No. I've changed my mind. I used to say that. No, I say this different thing, what is something you think is overrated. The Royal family. Oh. Come out. My people that the privileged people then don't mind people, I guess, I think inherited wealth. I think can Herod wealth is hugely IVA, right? It and that's kind of almost like why like American coach to certain degree because you have the hustle here. Right. That's what you call it. Cardi B. Right. So in America, you can be a stripper, and then be a Grammy winner. And in the UK that would never happen, it just too much entrenched clauses into the money is Paul's round the same circles where I guess you have the American dream, you have the hustle, anyone can do thing, and the will family had just like sat on top of piles of money that have gone through generations regeneration, and then they get more from us on that the queen's face can be on some plates, and mugs. And I think the reverse is true that she actually has plates and cups with pictures of normal people on them. Yeah. Yeah. People holidays like the Canary Islands tax accountant. Yeah. I, I think America's really good at branding itself. Oh, yes, the thing as the land of opportunity, where people can change, and like the amount of money or the class that you die. In is mostly proscribed by the class, you're born into an America. It's just we don't like to talk about that we have the brand really strong, and then also we don't like to talk about the part of like most people and not all, but a lot of especially in entertainment, like artists, and rappers and stuff, who did change classes like that. They had to do a lot of crazy shit and then it's a lot of cases crimes. And then that's not to say that, like white collar criminals, don't exist. They exist and they are very prevalent. We just kind of like have a better way of looking at that stuff. So it doesn't seem as the same as like, oh, I took, you know, all the money out of this dues while like Cardi B's to talk about. She used to do and she was strip, and it's the same thing to, like rip off people. You know even if you're in a suit and you're at a bath. Yeah. Yeah. People think brings respect to Billy when it doesn't do. Yeah. Yeah. I think I guess, I guess it feels more self might here because I don't like the Queen had a Christmas when she did has speech. She didn't extra gold piano, like in like times of like real financial sturdy and everything else is a good idea for the Queen to be doing this speech. Gold next dollar gold. He'll go well, she inherited it, so it's fine. And you like people sleeping on the streets. It's not fine. Let's stop playing it's fine game. No. She cried. She her tears. With money. Right. So and then pays Morgan defended it kind of guy, what to expect you won't the Queen in front of a gold piano, but it like to tweets earlier he'd size Christiana for having a Pam back said something on it like, filthy, rich or something. And he was like this is disgusting. And you're like I now you make me defend the call dash drowning. I never want to be that peasant. But I'm not why is it okay? For her to have made her own money, be flashing, it around kind of guy. Look how much I have is not okay for Chris called. But he's okay for the Queen y ROY. Yeah. At least Chris, like Mehta's by selling her door six types of whatever. That's why I mean, they made me defend that point is what's the difference. She's a great American. I mean but by the terms of, you know, self made and you know, working outside of the system to, you know, come up. She mama CIA is even it's even that's a new phrase that kind of sounds like dowager was an old raise. Wasn't it for someone who had like a dowry to give you wanted to get married? It almost comes from that old like kind of class. Yes. Sounds like it could be from the old, the old system. Yeah. That is interesting, though, that the idea of the Queen giving a speech in front of a golden piano is defended, as but she inherited it. So that's okay. Whereas like that is the ultimate thing that like Americans would not admit to is like having inherited their wealth, like Trump was a multi multimillionaire by the time he was five years old. But he claims to be a self made man because we got an alone right for millions. Of those. I'm back. Alone. If you don't return. Yeah, I wanna see if you paid. Oh, he'd never paid back. Yeah. I'm sure in some way, he he thinks that he did the loaning is even a brand my parents alone. No, they gave it to you. Has to be paid back. Yeah. Finally, what does a myth with something people think is true. You know, to befalls that men compliment women anymore. So keep hearing this now in the light of kind of say that it's like you can't even compliment women anymore. And I say you can you just may not get responsible right? Like you've always been able to the caveat to that size if you shout it from the top of a building or alpha moving call if the Doppler effect applies to nice to. By then? Yeah. To you at eight AM. That's what it is so street. Harassment. Right. But you can still pay compliments but we're hearing a lot now. Like we just can't even talk to women and we're like, yeah, you can't just you're going to be cooled out. If you're a dick. Yeah. So I'm so tired of hearing from guys. Now, you can't even I just want to put a PSA out there to those guys, which is that if you're saying that you're nasty creepy muffler, and here's why. Because if you feel like you can't talk to women anymore that means the way you were talking to women before was trash. Okay. That means what you were doing was wrong. And they can't even grab a woman booty no more. Absolutely. You have a problem, I've never met a normal man who has come up to me and been like oh, you look nice today. Oh, you know what I shouldn't say that anymore because I don't want you to me like people all the appropriate people who have a gauge of what's appropriate and what's not appropriate. Have never lost that. It's just the people who were running a month because. No one was reprimanding them that now feel stifled. Yeah. You'll you'll you'll her in my right to be douche Bray. Yes, it saying that. No, you're gross. And no, we know your gross. It's the same thing it's revealing for the same reasons people who are like he can't be funny anymore. He writes, like, yes. So your brand of funny was just saying racist and sexist stuff. The punchline was racist. Yes, you liked punching down. And we're no longer think that's as hilarious as we used to. All right. Let's talk about the bachelorette speaking of punching down. So we're going to bring in soup around hose NIA are bachelorette specialists experts. Because this is this is what we're talking about. I don't wanna lie. I don't want to say that this is this is what is being talked about in the dailies ice writer's room when producer around a Jose gets in, in the morning. She I'm always suppressor DJ danell are talking about the bachelorette, and what happened and. It seems like there was some big news. You guys. This is. For all of us, obviously, you know front runner current front runner. We are we still have a little bit of time to go, but potentially top fiver jed Wyatt. Turns out he had a girlfriend, this whole time devastating. So. How do we know that he had a girl because the girlfriend felt wrong wrong and sold her story to people MAG, as you do you wanna come for your reality TV boyfriend? Yeah. So he, he is, like, making it through the gauntlet of bachelorette. Yes. He's a singer songwriter from Nashville. Okay. And he apparently told his girlfriend that he's going on the show because it'd be good for his career. It's huge the, you know, the amount of attentional bring him. And I guess she was like, all right, babe. Like. Right. I believe you which is like, oh, Honey, this is a bad. This is. No never data guy, who's going to go on a reality show specifically about falling in love and expect them to come back in honor, your relationship. It's just not gonna work out. So it's just very devastating because he, he was a fan favorite. You know, he was always very, he's very charismatic. He seemed like down to earth like he would make fun of himself. He was. He didn't seem like he took himself too seriously. And now this is a blow. This is a blow to bachelor nations. Maybe he wasn't taking that relationship very seriously. No clearly knocks. Apparently, when he came back, he ghosted her. And that's when she was like a revenge is on, I can opinion. Now, I just want to bring to light that they were allegedly dating for four months, four months. So was this up. Oh, was this up little tie call? I don't know if it's hard to say somebody's in a relationship as, as a con artist is today, someone's in a relationship because look you can't ghost on a marriage. You know what I mean like ham, but there's paperwork you this paper trail. We don't know that you signed some shit said it was in a relationship this person. But if I say, we not together. No more. Guess what? I just stop talking to my boyfriend's a Marlboro, and then I don't have a boyfriend. No more. How are you? By definition initiative. I just don't see him speak to him anymore. I don't even have to explanation. We not together. I think that jed Jedidiah. Jedidiah shit. Else. Could it be he was single as when he went on the bachelorette and this girl, I mean, I guess we're together the night before. Yeah. But I'm glad that she's getting her story to people MAG doctor all these text messages, and this is not even real. And she has a singing career that jumps off right Abbas. She's also a singer rebel. Hi, this is juicy. Galvin bro styles. Yeah, yeah. She got to come out with some song like the bachelor bet that I don't even know there's a song girl, right? Yeah. We will you accept this rose. Right. Yeah. I went on his Spotify, and he's a horrible musician. So I was like, what was going to happy thought this show is going to give you talent horrible musician. So you get in the right hand. Yes. That's right. He just needs some auto tune in some little X as we'll learn later, you can't even get a Hollywood star. If you're a reality show, so he just d- queued himself from having a career anyways by going on the show. But I yeah, I agree with Lacey's analysis that, like this doesn't necessarily mean he had a girlfriend while he was on the show, but there is information that apparently they went to the Bahamas before he left and he said, I love you. Oh now we're into the I love you. I love. Yeah, we can still take. I mean, assuming the text messages aren't doctored that weird of him to be like, I'm just going on this to promote. I mean that's. When I come back, it'll just make a stronger just good for my brand is on. The minute, he said he was going on the show, you like, oh, we're dumb, then surely, well, he also said that he was tired of his daddy haven't to pay his rent. Okay. So he he's saving. Exactly. Independent on this reality show. I'm sure you're dead is thrilled. I'm gonna have ABC pay Mavericks. So but we don't know how it ends. He might win. That's the thing I would literally, we don't know. That'll be somewhere just like being like mother if he wants. She is strangling him to death. We'll be dead soon. We'll know if he dies in the next few days, one, 'cause she's actually crazy like she's known for being crazy. She called herself hand a beast. So I really. Oh, she almost fun, bachelorette. I think there's been an awhile, and she's such a significant reflection of the times changing for women to get to see her just be making now that does rat, and they'll never, but also very horn like a pony. And it's I just out at the con of on Lipponen reineck, like everybody, she's on she'll go and pick another guy like, come on. Let's shaming her them. No, I'm very happy. I'm like, yeah. You better kiss on autumn sexy as men in this. I also because she she's been like I'm insane rhyme insane. I'm a mess. And I'm also formerly miss Alabama. So, you know, I'm crazy, right? So no, I'm not get into bullshit. When the show. I'm I'm trapping someone tonight. Actually interesting thing, they won't let her comment on the Alabama stuff who won't about SE won't let her go because they want everybody's money. Honey? They don't need the conservatives to time. So when asked her a question, ABC was like cut note don't that Tony literally true. Their body. Yeah. All right. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey miles Tuesday's after America's got talent watch has music's next grade hits are born. It's from NBC, and the executive producers of the voice and its groundbreaking new series called Soland song, land song land, so eleven superstar artists, the hottest producers and the best unknown song writers are coming together to create the next hit song, and miles when they say superstar, they mean okay prove it then. Okay. We're talking, John legend Ghani legs himself, the Jones brothers, the Jonas brothers that those guys, also old dome onion dominion, Bray. I call him old dome because your friends all them. Yeah, we're tight anyways. It's the biggest names in pop Rb and country. And these producers, you might not recognize the names. But, you know their song they're the talent behind the biggest songs. And the biggest talent in music. But it gets even better because at the end of each episode of song land a song will be chosen to be recorded by the guest artists, and it will be released right after the show. That's quick turnaround. Guys, you have won't want to miss song land Tuesday's after America's got talent and guys go right now to listen to song lands podcast, made by our very own super producer Nick stunts knows good. He'll take you behind the scenes of some of the biggest hits ever like sweet dreams with Dave Stewart from the earth mix or how beyond say runs. Oh, a fairy tale like songwriting camp that you've never heard about. Yeah. They're really great stories. You can listen to it on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcast. I had my first kiss at beyond say camp. And we're back and Lacey. The last time you were on. We were talking about the Dominican Republic for a couple reasons. Big Papi, the attempted assassination of big Papi. That is now being claimed was a case of mistaken identity. Right. I don't I don't know that suggests to me that maybe the media and the Dominican Republic is easy enough to manipulate that he could be like I wasn't sleeping with anybody, except my wife. Ban. They are team. They cleaned it up real good. Yes, they did. But another story that you brought to my attention while we were talking about that is that there have been a lot of media reports of people dying mysteriously in the Dominican Republic. Well, on vacation, a lot of Americans dying mysteriously, and there were two stories of people having a drink from the mini bar and then dying in their hotel rooms in the Dominican Republic. And I don't know. I it's now like now we are hearing from mostly conservative outlets every time somebody dies in the Dominican Republic for that is from the United States. So we, we wanted to look into this to see. Is this a thing is should we all cancel our trips to the Dominican Republic is the Dominican Republic cancelled as a nation? So some things that jumped out to me, first of all, when you look at the statistics of like how many people die in the Dominican Republic? How many US citizens die in the Dominican Republic? It's eighteen people die down there on vacation essentially every year a lot. It's a lot. That's a lot of America. I mean it that's about the number I would've expected for the rate that we're finding out about every death that happens, we're on the right track to meet eighteen right? Talk it right? On on track. I can just see lacy at the front of the conference room with the power point, as you can see by this latest death. We are on target numbers. Looking pretty good. Listen guy, Alf, how many like eighteen American deaths off a total of how many deaths wasn't the Dominican Republic table. Yeah. The Dominican Republic. Oh, yeah. I have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. And they, they don't even usually like they don't keep the reason that these are eighteen people who died of non natural causes because they don't keep track of like how many people die of natural causes, you wanna know how many people visit in a year. It's about two point seven million. So that's what a lot of people. Yeah. And it's probably a lot of older people. Yeah. Because that's who goes on vacations for the most part is like a lot of retirees. And that's who is dying in a lot of these cases, there, people time, took them. Right. He's, it's like, you know, people. In their fifties, and sixties are who you know, like one of the dudes who passed away was one of the more mysterious deaths because both he end his fiancee, we're found dead together. Yeah. So that's a happy story for you guys. Now, the way reported that made it still seems sketchy this the Dominican the coroner's in the thirties, there, said that the man had passed away of natural causes, which win Jack looked into it like he had psoriasis and he. Blood pressure. I'm so there are definitely some risk factors, especially if you're going -cation where you're going to be consuming a lot, right? Any ball was that many ball relate than this, this one? They didn't say was many barb related, but the man was sixty three and the woman was forty nine and they said that the shock of seeing her boo day then calls her to die as well. We call this the notebook offense. Broken. He grabbed his hand and then she was like odd to decide today. That's what the government reported to us. And I think that is also very sketchy living. There is medically thing of dying from a broken heart where you can like have that habit. It's very, very rare, but I think they are saying it was shock or something. But either way it just seems like it's being treated as it's one of those things that everything is going to look suspicious. If you're looking for it a twenty-seven, everyone would have gone suicide pact rate, right? Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Okay. What have been sitting non-c kind of right and even thought wasn't a suicide pack. Just I aware of that, right? Just before I happen to non-state. Right. But yes. So if young people would assume it was something that they right? And even then it still could have been who knows. But like I mean vacations are a time when you're uniquely susceptible to death. From, like things that are considered natural causes, but it's like heart attacks. And you know you eat worse. You do. Things your body isn't used to you. Drink more. Like the number one time that people die in the United States, like, just angrily is Christmas. And the media writes about it as though it's like a people are dying from depression, and suicide, but it's actually like what we eat and drink. And like celebrate like celebration is what kills us we die from drinking too much? Yeah. Yes. Gration is killing. But that's not like a fun thing to think about you don't like that's not a story that you want to hear. So they want to say the Grinch, took you right. The Grinch, shrank your heart until it couldn't pump blood through your body anymore. Yeah. So I don't know. It just seems like this is maybe not a real story like maybe the media's conflicting this. Yeah. And it's also you tend to see it being covered in conservative outlets and the classics. Yeah, where this is you're going to have an older reader base people who are like more likely to be going on vacation there and also more likely to be scared of, you know, people of color, and people from a Central American and South American countries, and I don't know it just it seems like it's maybe more tailor made for the audience of the New York Post, who are covering this lake. It is, you know Ebola outbreak. I'm gonna say the DR is cancelled. Okay. I'm coming out with an island, guys. So stay. Going to be way better than the Catholic. You just been to Greece. And you can just pick them up for a few million like by one. Yeah. Because I, I went to where I think it Scorpio sweat Jackie O. Oh, well was married to are still saliva Nasice and he bought like two islands. And then he bought that smolder one next to it for some, you know, just for a gift. Yeah. Like it's your best. I have an island. Going to party like you've gone island. Right. So when we get this island up running guys, I promise, you know deaths you'll never hear about any deaths. Well, speaking of people with that much money there is a new member of the hundred billionaire club lacy. You're better thing is name than I am. Oh, okay. This is rich asked name to okay. Bear north Jeon. It's yin at all. No. Yeah, yes four names. You got a billion dollars. You need four names. Gonna has it a guess, at French? Yes. Found the old show at TI in new changes a fringe business, magnate investor and art collector, who joins Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates. So we, we were curious like where. So we know what Jeff Bezos got rich off of we know what Bill Gates like you can't not see the you know, the cause of their wealth. What, what is this, dude? Like what did he do that has changed the world? He is the chairman and chief executive of LV m h which is Mohit Hennessy Louis, Vitton. Like, basically, all the world's luxury goods companies are owned by the same dude Icees. Like is he single now? I love all these unless my way, I love with time Christian. Yes, he bought. He's self made. Because his dad gave him a fifteen million dollar loan so that he could by ninety seven percent of Christian Dior, and then he expanded his business from their dead. Give them a fifteen million dollars getting. I don't know if he paid his daddy back, but he got that long strand nineteen eighty nine ninety five lowercase. He's, he's he might be a little bit too old for yes. He's seventy. Although having said that the out sometimes olders just Greece. The stats and shout fire. Wants to. Wondering if you. Taking notes REEs. The stairs. Yeah. You guys are taking notes for different. Outside. You're okay. Also, owns Sephora, which I've found interesting. That's huge. Let's makeup company. He's worth one hundred point four billion dollars. Do you know what a point four is when you're talking about billions of dollars, four hundred million dollars frizty, call me from Fatimid, it's such an insane amount of money. I've been thinking about this, a lot recently because they will in the space race. Now is fucked old out into space vessels, on Richard Branson? Who's one of the mosque my least favorite fragrance? They we'll try to get into space by kind of think, like surely, there's a point where you actually do more harm if you have that much money, this should be thinking about the Hippocratic host, but for billionaires, where you have to do no home. Yeah. She'll take him billions of circulation. Right. Right. And people work for vessels, like Amazon, employee's, and stuff like that in the UK I think it was lost Christmas. I'm looking at poll just to see if he could confirm this. But there was a story that, like working such long hours and being paid so poorly that there were sleeping in tents in the would they didn't have to go home and come back. So like, the, the, you know, if you have that amount of money, you have to be doing some fin finance gates is like there are people that all trying to do good. Oh, put money back with them enough. No one billion dollars came roundly billionaire south didn't she? Yes, she knew because she gave it away, because she has a heart women. That's reality weakness is kind of still good in human. Yeah. I feel bad for you guys. Must be difficult. Yeah. If, if there was a Hippocratic oath for billionaires, there will be no billionaires. It would be a contradiction of terms because there should not be adjusted. Yeah. That's the question of whether there's a way to become a billionaire ethically as no way. Yeah, it's just not it can't happen. I don't think. Well, let's talk about Elaine Chao, the she is a Mitch McConnell's wife, and she is the secretary of transportation. And she is also a massive fucking Griff ter-. So I thought it'd be. I want to bring her before the expert. To get your thoughts on Elaine Chao, so she owned stock in a huge gravel company gravel like the stuff we build roads out of and she signed an ethics agreement saying, she would divest from that since ethics people were like, are you are you fucking kidding me? You the stock for this company that she owns like a massive Sharon goes up every time someone mentions the word infrastructure week. And like that's what she's in charge of now. So she basically gets to buy controlling policy determine how well her stock does I smell a conflict. Yeah. It's a massive conflict of interest. And she was, like, of course it's a massive conflict of interest. I'm twenty I'm going to divest guys and then it took her like six months to best. And while that was happening. She made four hundred thousand dollars off of her. She just said infrastructure on repeat every interview she was like infrastructure and also infrastructure. And you know why are we talking about it? If. Destruction. I mean initiative vested I wouldn't be shocked. If there's some kind of sneaky way we're on paper, it doesn't look like she owned stock in this, but she's still getting like major kickbacks for the success of this company. We have all gravel roads everywhere, you'll get rid of grass. Like the stuff that they do in the Trump administration is just more transparent versions of the things that are already happening. Like normally what you would do is you would have this job and then go and become like the chairman of the board at a gravel company and make money off of that. But she's doing it at the same time, and it's just an amazing like lack of effort at being like they're just like I don't they don't even care, but they are gonna do. Yeah. They don't Trump has been so unethical that he's really open the floodgates to politicians being able to frolic who they truly are right. Which I love that. Beach. I didn't want to think about any of the Mona be picturing, Mitch McConnell frolicking through field. We she's like my solution to ocean cleanup make the ocean gravel road. So she also used her position to set up meetings between her family's company and the Chinese government, her family are Chinese shipping like magnates. They have a huge shipping company, and this is actually interesting because people there was a story at a certain point during the mid terms where people were like, wait, so much McConnell has made the most money in the past, like, ten years, and people were wondering if it was because he had done something a corrupt, and it was actually because he married Elaine Chao challenge. She is like a huge shipping, air and has tons and tons of money. But she is still, you know, trying to use her position in shady ways to enrich her and her family. So, yeah. Can be doing it right. Sample from the her shoe line to go out of business shut out to that, because I told you those shoes a narrow. It's weird that the government has become our new goldrush rate. But we gotta get involved in politics. So we can make this money. They are probably quietly, the most powerful incorrupt people in, in Washington or among them, because, you know, McConnell, has huge power, and now she has incredible power, and the Democrats are kind of hesitant about going after her with investigations because her husband's Mitch McConnell. So if you go after her with investigations he can be a complete asshole, complete cock, knocker, a believe. Known as so. I think also the level of scam. That's happening here is probably beyond the everyday person's comprehension, Regnery means it takes so much like with Trump. It's like, okay he's got like the pussy grabbing all the basic things that were like no. That's wrong within their, these things have so many routes and layers to them in there. So the violating things that I think are Cofide in a way, you know what I mean like art like our whole legal system is super coded by this while we have lawyers because it's like you can't read a document on your own nothing's in labels like layman's terms, right? Yeah. So it's like I think that a lot of people will never understand truly. How unethical this is. So it will continue last white privilege ties with the privileged. Right. Right. This is secret codes. And, and. Shrouded. Yeah. The what I'm looking. So, yes, most people just wouldn't even question it like oh, and then when you actually put it out in simple layman's terms, I guess, is the best way to say. Now, this is what's happening. They're making money off of this. I'm then increase in their own stopped by talking about it publicly in the political row, etc. Etc. Once you stop doing that people could get a bit more of a Skype of it, but most people about, you say, just wouldn, like, in the UK's etiquette, its compensations around money and Hsieh's and Stokes all like how you eat like just knowing what you put your money to make more money, or how that information is just given in like state comprehensive schools wrote. Whereas then you meet people who are like super rich and they're like, Ono will you have to go in this high interest IVA here and this, and then you sit right this, and you run this business and it. So this is tax deductible. And this is all that's why you'll say rich. Yeah, they have in America. They go to the Harvard Business School, which is like. Finishing school for millionaire. You know, people who are going to just move things around, and extremely rich off of. Yeah, but yeah, it is. It's like its own little game. Yeah, that's like Eaton, or like a spokesman in Cambridge. I but, but more like kind of Eaton is where the Voyles and all possible. New prime minister is devastating the two possibilities for prime minister or Johnson and Jeremy hunt. He Jeremy, how the latter sort of singlehandedly trying to destroy the NHS and also came out to try and shore up slightly off topic, but very annoying came out to shore up. Support from like, like Christian groups or religious groups when he came out and said, I would lower the abortion limits two to twelve weeks. It's nothing. I can do is prime minister that's interesting because all we'd actually like raise them to however, oh, Jeremy on is. But it it was all done in order to kind of shore, up support on the right because it's not actually do, but the, the privileged background of Boris Johnson. He went to in, and then he was the Bullingdon club. You know, he's he was this was always going to happen. He's from a super everyone in his family is kind of in politics pretty much. And they're like a c- a privileged family. And that's how that goes up Powell goes to pow against Powell. Yeah. I mean that's why we all have to step up our scams. I don't steal. I miss appropriate funds. Right. All right. We're going to take another quick break. We'll be right back. It's me Jack from work. Oh, dailies. I yes together anyways, have you been? Check it out. The economists of course, you're talking about the weekly magazine that offers insight opinion in international news, and US news and many other times, that's right. Don't, don't sit helps leaders prepare for what's going on in the world around them. It has been a trusted source of intelligence for over one hundred seventy years. 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And when it comes back on, nobody remembers who the Beatles were except for this one dude who remembers all their songs, and he gets to pretend like he wrote all the Beatles music, and people are like, wow, those songs are really great. So I just wanted to talk about the Beatles briefly because I really like Beatles music. I have even a new respect for them, because having like little kids and introducing them to music Beatles songs are really easy to get kids into because it's basically like children's music like the songs that they wrote are extremely simple. But also just like are as simple and easy to like get into in a memorize as like campfire songs. A lot of the time. But the, the way they're used culturally in America is like as the pep rally music for aging hippies and baby boomers to just like their they used you have to admit it's getting better, as like the, the theme song for HP ED's when it was, like, yes, technology. We're gonna make the world better and we're solving all our problems. And, you know, I feel like Beatles music was used as like pretty pretty much everywhere during the nineties and early two thousands as like everything's great. And the baby boomers have solved everything. And here's a picture of John Lennon, apple, apple computers, are, are cool. Don't worry about it. So this is just another example of their music being appropriated by aging hippies. In this case, Danny Boyle, but it's also another example of. So there's this history of movies, like I, I've noticed it in back to the future, where people like to create a revisionist history, where people of color are stealing rock, and roll music from white people. And so people stealing it from people of color. So in back to the future, they have like that part where mardi MC flies on stage playing Johnny be good, and Chuck Berry's cousin calls, Chuck and says, hey, it's your cousin Marvin. You know, Marvin berry. Short clear on. And then it was like, you know, that new sound you were looking for listen to this. So like he hasn't even thought he's just looking for the idea of rock and roll, and mardi Muth flyweight teenager, gives it to him. And he steals it. And that's how rock and roll came came about. And obviously that's not like nobody nobody watched that and was like, oh, that's how rock music. But it's still like more well known like that. That version of things is still like probably more embedded in the American consciousness than the true story of how like rock music came from blues and was stolen from, you know, people of color, like muddy waters and all these people who were studied by white rock musicians, and then just made it palatable to other white people by just being white. And so this is another example of this, because the dude, who is the only one who can remember Beatles, music is. As a person of color, also. And like he is stealing the idea for the music. And then lacy you were saying at the climax he'll he like, well, I don't want to ruin it. Okay. Yeah. All right. And. Let's do a spoiler here because they treat his theft of Beatles music as if it's a crime, like as though it is, like a dishonest thing instead of just being like, yeah, I must have hallucinated, the Beatles like for my whole life. But that never comes up. He's not like I must just be creatively. Brilliant, he instead is like I feel so bad. And he questions his own sanity. Right. At any point, it's not like back to the future, where like, oh, we discovered this new sound like the wife, who will automatically assume. Because they, but this is also a white consciousness thing like white bread love to see something. And then assume they made it right. It's a it's a thing that they do about everything. That's and, and this is why cultural procreation is annoying. And I know that there's so many wipe you out there. I feel for you. I people who you're like, oh, my God. We can't. We can't dance. We can't make a song. We can't go out. And hey, I don't know get into March chant. I think to the every day, white person as a white myself. At least on the phone and right now, he's telling through, you don't know if I'm white, you know, I might be wake us. So as a white, I'm telling you, I am I know that it's annoying, as an everyday person to have to hear about cultural procreation, the only real issue that people of color have with it is that white people make the most money from everyone else's culture. Why people make the most money from everyone else's culture, why people take things from other people's culture, and they monetize them. And then the people who made it get no money. That's why they're mad. That's why everyone's mad. So. Fuck credit money out of money. I heard kids talking about the fortnight dances. They call the shoot the fortnight dance fortnight dance negroes made that dance. And you know what they don't get payment for you downloading it so that you can use it during fortnight. So just know that it's not about, like people wanting to whine about culture, probation, or even the dislike of why people we love. Why people I consume everything white every day, I get on Facebook? I love the white minutes internet saying, I'm just saying we want to make a little money off of it. So this movie does that same thing where it's like, oh, this Brown person knows that they stole this music from the Beatles from the B, and they feel bad grades should. Yeah. So there wasn't even a little flip in the story to kind of, say, by the way. Right. This was all influenced by, like there is no, no. It's not a spoiler to say that there's no there's no wink nod to the fact that the Beatles stole. Their music from other like influences of other people of color, which is a little exhausting. I, I like the Beatles music a lot. You know, it was nice to just like here, bunch of it in a movie for sure. Yeah. I just think it's just hate. What's been done with it with the Beatles music? I, I just think it's like such a huge influence in really wack parts of American culture. And like I don't know. I mean, the music is very sanitized. It's like you know, it's gonna be a set by it. It's sunny, there's no controversial Beatles, song is there. I think as I go as they went along. They got a bit more of early kind of is it fifties and sixties kind of she loves you. One hundred million dollars. Himself will show up here shake. Use the words she loves and you. Consecutively. No. Did he get it back? I thought Michael Jackson had all the fat Kotla, Vicky did make it. That was, she's wave, clawing. It back. Yes. Back, right? Yes. So I don't know. It's just it seems like a a lame movie. I also I'm not a huge fan of the of the filmmaker Danny Boyle, who made beef with boil. We got Scott. Slumdog. Oh, the comedic at saying he's Scottish on a presume Trainspotting. Why what we had squash. It doesn't have a scope shocks them by we had squash, parents, maybe other Boyle is an Irish name Cantrell. We should should we looked up. What else did he make Humaid Trainspotting? He made some without some sunshine sunshine, and he made Slumdog millionaire and one hundred twenty seven hours Slumdog millionaires. I mean, I have a bit of Danny Boyle in that when we did the Olympics in two thousand twelve he did a big almost to the NHS. Yeah. So that is one of my like Donnie, I like he made a full point of kind of celebrating one of the best things that the UK is evidently, right? Like which is have healthcare. It's good healthcare, actually pretty cool. Yeah. I don't know if I can go back to the UK without getting stopped by the porter. Why you got a lot of free healthcare. Yeah. I stole a bunch of free healthcare from the UK when I was living. This is a true fact I had surgery when I was living in London, when I was, like, it'll free. This is great, but it wasn't a citizen. I was there on the views. And so then, like, the, the hospital was calling, like euless thirteen thousand dollars. And I was like, giving out money. You got like new organs and stuff like organ, transplants from Michelle, Michelle bataille, because I'm show, bataille comic. Yeah. She has a really brilliant bit about. Like you wanna see my Dutch husband cross a road in you in New York like Europeans. Don't give a fuck because I get free healthcare. They so risky. Is that compared to American? We just we just tight. We're not. Yeah. Short just pop into the hospital and just. This fixed right? Yeah. I'm not gonna hit on Danny Boyle. You're totally allowed to I would just say, I was a little bit of love for him for that. He always old. I also issued place him. I don't have like an authentic reason for hating Slumdog millionaire other than I think it's a terrible movie. But, but like, and I think like people loved it, it's the it's one of the only movies that people like seemed to genuinely love the world over that I was just like fully disconnected from the on. I was like, I don't see where this is coming from at all. I haven't seen it. British under British British yet. But see people say that I am British in that. My dad is skull ish. My mum's family from wiles Hughes. Born in red cliff Lancashire England. So he doesn't have. Well, well, sorry about that anyway. So, so overall lacy though to thumbs up right on yesterday. Great yesterday is poop. You watch yesterday yesterday, L, same poll question. Did I watch yesterday knows the day before yesterday? That would have been nice. I watched a couple of days ago, it's going to disappoint you. So if you go in with, like, limited expectations, and maybe you'll be mildly entertained, but it was almost a good movie. But then they it wasn't about the soundtrack's pretty good. This checks pretty decent. I don't know if you've heard of any shit. Yeah. Lake one of the scenes from the trailers him like playing let it be for the first time on the piano, for, for his family and his family like doesn't get why it's so great. But. Yeah. Let it be a good song. So it's always fun to watch someone play that on the piano. I just don't know what we need to fully change the history. It's almost like a body. Switching movie where he switches bodies with a person like, because the whole like lights go out and back on. And suddenly things are different. Who is a guy named John and the Beatles, John Lennon, right? Yeah. Yeah. Is he not know who's alive from the Beatles? Store. No costarred. Yeah. Okay. So I know Paul McCartney I used to wait on Paul McCartney in the Hamptons. He's very nice. Oh, yeah, but no. Big deal and NBA I was just personal waiter. He would ask for me. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah. And I've never stolen anything from him. So Ringo is still alive. Didn't Ringo have some kind of issue, where he like was beating on his wife or something. I'm going crazy. Yeah. No, that's. Okay. Okay. Okay. We just keep finding out the John Lennon was shitty person over again. Mccartney keeps getting better and better because it was always as why Kula to, like Joe Johns. Decipher just and the naturally. But like of McCartney's other projects and stuff, you know. Band band on the Ron and you'd like Stella McCartney and Linda McCartney. And like so like McCartney just cooler and cooler in Kula. She's the reverse of normally what happens is walk stars. I you begin to find out more and more. Yeah. And that's what's happened with Joan whereas poll is just kind of got like is he's he's. Yeah. He's sort of evergreen. Hey, paul. Hey, paul. All right. Let's talk about how we do fame on this side of the Atlantic. Fame. There's renewed interest in whether Donald Trump should have a star on the walk of fame in Hollywood. So the Hollywood city council head of vote and said, no, he should not. We should get rid of it, and the Hollywood chamber of commerce has fully just ignored that vote, which I guess, is like most city council votes of any type they just kind of get ignored. So one question that people had is like why he has one to begin with since he is only known for being a reality star and also a rich guy in home alone. Two. Which, by the way, episode to six in the city, which freaked me out when I saw him on that I was like he was on this. Samantha had a meeting with him. Yeah. Like they fly it across the bars Donal zone. I want some of that Trump. So it turns out, you basically by yourself as star on the Hollywood walk of fame. It cost thirty thousand dollars to get yourself nominated, and then they'll pretty much vote you in, if you pay them enough, money, Absolut vodka has a come on. L'oreal has a star on the Hollywood name. But like one of the rules that they hold kind of steadfast to is that you can't get a Hollywood star as a reality star. And like so people have been, like, why would Trump have it and they claim, it's because of his work as a producer for the Miss America pageant, that, that's why he has a Hollywood star? I think that the they're not gonna take star away because it's just like the internet. Like if you're a negative troll, you're still giving people more visibility and more views and more likes by being negative. So John Trump star getting constantly defaced, and people constantly visiting it that is driving traffic to the to the walk of fame and the whole point of the wok famous for. Yeah. It's not true. Truthful was thank you. Jen. Well, yes. So then, like Levin or hated like people are still coming to the Hollywood walk of fame. So they're never going to get rid of it, and it has to be like police now they've had people like around it because it gets to face so often now somebody put up a golden toilet on someone put it behind prison bars someone built a little wall around it. And somebody smashed to smithereens with pickaxe so. Yeah. The though, to my point is that it is basically a cheap way to buy a publicity stunt getting a Hollywood, walk of fame store. And so we need you start fifty million loan from all parents, right? Yeah, get. Well, that's right. I plan on buying it. I will have a thirty thousand dollar start at some point in my life. The thing that I found, thank you. Who gave this to me? I got nothing to do with it. Defensive about this one chamber Representative said somebody asked, or I guess Konya was saying that Kim Kardashian should get a star on the Hollywood walk of fame since she is like one of the most famous people in the world. Yeah. And the person from the Hollywood chamber of commerce said, she needs to get a real acting job. Then come to us acting job Tyler Perry movie. She was in that rage movie. When I meant she her performance was very committed. Yeah. All of that. So she called have it because she's a reality style. Yes. Power to go one then because she was in house of wax. Was it house of? Yes, she was. And that little horror film Ray. I don't know. But I think that they are gonna have to change that because Cardi B started out as a reality TV star. She was on Levin, hip hop. And now she's a Grammy award winning artist. Like what do you like people do reality TV show like it's nothing? She's the Grammys. I guess I'm the music's because of that recording artists. Kim called get it for being a lawyer. So that can't be your only qualification as being reality star. I think. Something in the all. But the whole thing is just complete bullshit is, I guess the point is just like that guy's claim is that because he thinks Kim Kardashian isn't culturally of value. But then Donald Trump is, is a value of what people wanted to hitting on Kim K, and I hate that I'm saying this. I say it's a double edged sword on one hand. Yes. Stealing from everyone making money off of culture appropriation. We talked about it. But on the other hand, like yellow, just man because she's a beautiful woman who made money essentially started making money from sex, and made money and a lot of different ways. And nobody wants to see like a quote unquote home win, but hoses winning and. Proud of her. So they need to give her star because she's so culturally relevant. Come on world famous. You can't deny it. Yeah. She's doing this. She was to be that jail in a way that was. Dick Schmidt wing, but it was kind of like, oh, so she's been championing trying to get people out of like who've been wrongfully and produced jail. So that that's pretty good, then then it lands with, and it's gonna be TV series and you're like, does everything have to be televised because you can do this, and you can do some goods, and you can use your platform, and you'll position. But what, what do we need? See TV series about it that it just becomes Fulda. I mean, I think the end of the day, the black men are getting out of jail. So I don't care on TV and hell it might help them. Because ex-cons like you don't get jobs when you come out of jail, and we all know that, so maybe the now the black woman can also be sitting a makeup lipsticks. You know, so, hey. Kylie Jenner just admit that you've had surgery thing. You call mad at Kim looking that way. She paid a little money for it and actually what it means is that anyone cab. If you can just get money surgery, you can look amazing. Yeah. Everyone you know it's just a choice, isn't it? Right. If you want to, to if it's been a pleasure, having you believe ended the show defending. That's. Dashing stand. God contrbution, I think where can people find you can find me on Instagram at tiff? Stevenson comic on Twitter at tiff Stevenson bedroom Twitter, because it's what I'm not so good on the pitches. But hey, you're are great. I follow unit bags this awfully us and also doing a show my lots plug a show doing data show in LA. I'm digging preview of my new Edinburgh fringe show in at school mother. And I'm doing the lyric high period on the first of July. Onto that awesome. The Edinburgh fringe festival this year. People need to go. See that shit's as we have Jamie Loftus is going to be there. You're going to be there. Lots of really cool shows. Yes. Communist disease. I was going to be in sight venues me, but I think that's not happening now. But I think block neck, I think there's a few few Americans coming more more out, Geno, my friend. Jenna Friedman is excellent says she's gonna be out there as well. So I'm looking forward to actually awesome. And is there tweet you've been enjoying? Yes, Amy Miller, who I followed you guys nobody million on that. Yeah. She I think she's so funny. I really like how she did tweet yesterday saying. If you wanna see a baby poke itself in the I just say to it. Where's your eye? Silly, and she's funny, also. Yeah, I really like I can't wait to try that out. Texaco immediately Lacey. Where can people find you guys? They can tell me on the internet's at D. L A CI delays on all pilaff forms and guys if you want updates on scam got us, we're gonna start to record the first episode we've already recorded. 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The next wave of driverless cars wont have pedals or steering wheels. Is that allowed?

Marketplace Tech with Molly Wood

10:48 min | 9 months ago

The next wave of driverless cars wont have pedals or steering wheels. Is that allowed?

"The the next wave of driverless cars won't even have pedals or steering wheels is not allowed from American public media. This is is marketplace tech demystifying the digital economy. I'm Ali would this week cruise automation the self driving car subsidiary of GM introduced the origin. An electric fully autonomous vehicle. That has no driving controls roles whatsoever. It's meant to be a rolling pod that carries passengers on demand almost like a small bus or train car but our companies actually only allowed to operate cars without steering wheels on public roads kind of both cruise and Waymo have pushed the federal government to lift requirements requirements on equipment like pedals steering wheels and mirrors and they are allowed in certain conditions. States have their own rules. And although carmakers and safety advocates had been hoping for some clear guidance on what will and won't be allowed nationwide check Stewart who covers transportation for marketplace says. That's not coming anytime soon. We broke it all down and quality assurance the segment where we take a deeper look at a big tech story. The federal government is indicating. Really strongly that it is just taking kind of a hands off approach to regulation here in fact Elaine Chao Their Transportation Secretary just spoke about this at CBS and set the basically. This was going to be left to the companies developing these vehicles to kind of self regulate. There are two views on that depending on how you look regulation. I suppose there are things that hold back developments and laws and rules that are set in place in a very fast. Moving environment can become sort of impediments to progress that also. There's an argument that safety will not be as well scrutinized if it's left in the hands of the companies and certainly some people who are concerned about the safety. These vehicles are saying that we need strong regulation. We should be explicit here. Though that the National Transportation Safety Board auto safety advocates have really strongly said there need to be federal regulations for testing these types of vehicles and that it shouldn't be voluntary. Yeah I mean the the NTSB came out in particular after we saw the incident with the Uber. Self Driving Vehicle Kill pedestrian pushing a bike and it's accidents that the could set this whole industry back back if we do see more fatal accidents than I think. We're going to see a really big hit in public confidence in these vehicles and so that is something that federal federal regulation could help with. I think is really kind of just at least building confidence in the safety of these vehicles. And the fact that there is somebody somewhere without a vested interest in them. mm-hmm who's scrutinizing what is going on here so then back to cruise when they designed something like the origin which doesn't have any of those controls. Do you think that that's a bet that the light light-touch regulation is going to continue. Well I think the cruise vehicle might fit into a slightly different category. So we're seeing kind of splintering in the way that these autonomous vehicles are being developed. Now so Waymo is going all in on running a complete kind of taxi service it's a type of Yuba service. They're they're already up and running in a very limited form outside Phoenix Arizona. This cruise vehicle looks to me like it could operate in a more constrained rained environment which makes the problem just a little bit easier to solve if it can operate at lower speeds in cities and that type of thing. It's a slightly easier problem to crack. So there's kind of different parts hearts of this autonomous vehicle problem that might easier to crack than just going all in on this. We will make a car that can drive itself in every single circumstance right now. It seems seems to be fairly much of a concept right. Did crews announced a service that goes along with US cruises stressing that this is a kind of a production ready vehicle but without any really giving any details about how it would go into production and there would be a large number of hurdles to overcome. They're not least the fact that it it doesn't have human controls which means calm go on the roads as a car at the moment Certainly not in the US there are still so many rules about having to have a steering wheel L.. Having to have a brake pedal having to have mirrors on the outside all things that are very useful for humans but pretty useless when a computers in charge and the whole thing is decked out in senses says. And you don't really need any of those controls so that's not going to happen anytime soon but crews is already doing a lot of trials in the San Francisco area with much more conventional vehicles geico Chevrolet volt stay little electric cars which it has equipped with it sensor technology and it is running trials around the city and releasing? Its various updates on how it's doing. It seems to be progressing quite fast. It it's kind of up there with the WAYMO is of the world. It's not quite running a commercial service yet but and nobody's really quite delivered on those promises yet either but it's it's one of the companies to watch for sure from a consumer perspective though no oh new. Technology exists did without pushing the envelope but are people really ready or even close to ready for cars that do not allow for any human intervention. It's a good question and I guess we want to know the answer until people actually start writing in them but what. I've seen of the types of autonomous vehicles that are on the roads now. Is People people really quickly get used to it and sort of almost become blase about it. You look at the videos that waymo releases of people writing in that cause and you know the first first time they get into one of these vehicles. Wow this is amazing. The steering wheel's moving by itself and then like the third time they get into one of these vehicles that just looking at that phone and letting the compute to deal with the traffic and and sort of not really worrying about it so I think as long as these companies can maintain a decent safety records Then people do. We'll have the tendency to become pretty used things pretty quickly piece still. Have this action movie idea that if you needed to. You could leap over the seat and start driving. I'm guessing that these vehicles will still have some sort of giant red button. You can press halt everything and in fact Eh test in California eventually any vehicle that does not have a driver and we'll have to have various safety protocols including ways to you contact maybe a central. Oh control center or something like that so that somebody else can dial into these cars. They'll have to have ways of communicating with law enforcement officers. Because there's no driver in this thing gets pulled over who's the culprit the window going to actually talk to so there's a lot of things that will go into place to sort of help people feel more comfortable in these cause and to hopefully keep them a little safer so Mercedes. Babies had a concept a couple of years ago that was also sort of it did have a searing wheel in a driver seat. But it was this kind of pod where the the seats all faced each other. And I have to tell you that I wrote in that thing and I almost barked like I mean. This is a serious issue. Is anyone talking about the car. Sickness factor here. I haven't heard a lot of discussion about that yet. I don't was there something about it. That made it worse than just. Having a bad human driver was the cod driving badly. It was the are. You afraid you're not right so you're not necessarily facing forward in the same way. Didn't have windows. It just had sort of screens to show you things like Ed to create an atmosphere and it's much more of an it's a slightly different driving style because he will really are being driven and facing the wrong way. I mean maybe people feel that way and limos too but look virtual reality face this hurdle and didn't comment so I'm just trying to pinpoint out of the possible fail points. Yeah and people really want to be able to sort of get rid of the windows Project onto those. There are a number of companies that are already planning to show US movies and adverts in all sorts of things in these autonomous cars. Once you don't have to focus on the road so it is going to have to be something that they they deal with facing backwards is another issue. I mean there's no reason to face forwards necessarily if you're not looking where you're going but some people really hate that some people are fine with it. You know sometimes on trains and planes people enjoy facing backwards and is actually slightly safer if you're in a collision to face backwards to that collision so I think think it's just going to have to be part of the adaptation that we all go through as these vehicles. Become more common BARF Jack Stewart covers transportation for marketplace and now for some related links. There's more reading on our website about Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao remarks at CBS this year at our website marketplace tech dot. Org One interesting note is that it is not just safety. Advocates who would like some clear regulations and car makers feel like a nationwide standard would benefit them to some states have much more stringent rules in that could prevent automakers from rolling out. Say Taxi Service that depends on little rolling pods with no steering wheel or pedals and I am not letting go this motion sickness thing you guys remember that was something. Virtual virtual reality did not completely anticipate and it was a real problem and fun fact it turns out that women are much more likely to get motion sick than men. Perhaps one of the reasons why it was not anticipated by the heavily male dominated tech industry. I'm also including linked to a story in the Atlantic about how we don't totally totally understand. Why some people get motion sick and others? Don't the story notes that quote certain groups are more likely to get queasy and that those certain groups are kids and women so basically everyone who's not an adult male seems pretty group. I'm just saying that. If all these people are out here creating airless pods where people have to sit backwards and they wanna get rid of all the windows and replace them with like holograms and probably advertising and scenes of a nicer outdoors than and we actually have and every woman child who gets in one of those cars literally boots. It's GonNa be a problem. Luckily I am not the only person who has I thought of this. There is one major research study in America out of the University of Michigan looking into this issue based on the idea that it could in fact hinder adoption of autonomous passenger vehicles. The team is run by a woman. Monica Jones whose gotten carsick all her life they published research last fall and created the first large scale methodology for studying driving maneuvers and activities. That might make people sick heart. You Monica you see me. I'm Ali would and I'm a barker. That's marketplace tech. Thanks for listening this is A._p._N..

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Travelling with the migrant caravan

Front Burner

18:40 min | 2 years ago

Travelling with the migrant caravan

"This is a CBC podcast. Hi, I'm Jamie. Right now about four thousand people are heading north through Mexico in the scorching heat on foot for long stretches, many of them having fled Honduras, and Guatemala and this caravan the caravan is being described in such wildly different ways to some people on the run from danger or poverty looking for a better life to others like the US president. It's an invasion. Well, today will try and sort that out by establishing the facts on the ground who's on this kurban. How does it work but dangerous and opposition as it face? And we'll do that by talking to my colleagues enormous Ston she's been traveling along side the migrants since Tuesday. This is not like a caravan of the past. It's bigger than the ones that we've observed in the past. And we all know it's had a politically critical time for America. That's coming up on front burner. I'm Susan Ormiston. I'm senior correspondent at CBC news. And I'm here in southern Mexico, traveling with this caravan of people migrants who are winding their wave very slowly through southern Mexico. Trying to get north Susan. Thank you so much for talking with us today making the time. I I know you've been with a caravan for three days now, we're you right now. Yeah. It's an unusual place. We came to a place called Matteis Romero, which is in southern Mexico. We've been following the caravan on their journey all day today, and they're just arriving. So where we so she can see me now, I'm sitting in the back of a car repair shop in an old rusted out rocker in the shade just somewhere, I could be quiet and talk to you about this amazing odyssey. What is it? Look like there was the weather les. How does it feel? Well, right now just across the highway. There are literally thousands of migrants pouring in small groups on the back of tractor trailers walking with strollers. They're pouring into a large playing field. Just like we would see back at home. And they're pounding stakes into the ground to set up their small tarpaulins, which will be their place to sleep for the night. It's not a huge plane. Field. So it will be absolutely jammed when everybody manages to get here, but it will take hours more for people to come. It's a long walk and it's up and down hills. And it's very very hot. I'm do you have a sense. I know it tight the caravan had about seven thousand people in it to a sense of the scope of it right now. When we arrived about three days ago. There was some kind of a police estimate back in who she ton. And they said it was about forty five hundred now there have been some defections if you will people going back home people agreeing to stay in Mexico and try to get status here. But I would say fair number is around for thousands. I'm hoping that you can give me a sense of how the caravan works. I keep seeing images on of it on the television. And I just I would love to get a sense of of how it's working logistically. Yeah. You can hear them pounding away at a car over there. Sorry about that. No. Couldn't stop their work. There's a little work here as it is how it's organized is one of the most fascinating questions about this caravan, and it's one of the biggest mysteries too because I can't get a really firm answer. There's really no station, but he works. They have pure goals that gathered them together and make them go together. What I have the zurve is that it's very organic that inspite of what you might expect thousands of people are motivated to keep this caravan going and to provide some safety for the many families that are here. So they self police. So a scuffle broke up last weekend on Saturday, somebody accused somebody of something that details really don't matter. But as soon as it became evident a lot of the leaders in the group just stepped in and tried to douse the conflict because for two reasons one they're fleeing. Unsafe conditions lack of security in their own homes, and they need to know that they're safer on this journey. The other reason is that they they they also want to dispel the myth that this is an unruly mob that these are invaders in rushing the gates, right? I want to get back to some of the images or rhetoric around the caravan, but I can meet elaborate a little bit on sort of what a day looks like for this group. You mentioned before that they're sleeping in tents and a field today are are they often sleeping together. All almost always the whole purpose of traveling. This way is safety in numbers. So they and these days when they arrive at town the town knows they're coming. They provided a public space for them somewhere. So in this case, it's a field last night. It was a bus shelter large bus shelter in an open field controlled by the. City. There's always light. There's always noise people are exhausted from walking eight hours seen a lot of children and their parents. You know, hugging up together sleeping spoon like under. These little blankets trying to get as much sleep as they can. Is there any transportation available for them or or are these families and children walking tens of kilometers every day in heat? Well, that's an interesting question today is an example, they thought they had organizers tell us seventy buses to transport the migrants here today but late last night at midnight. We got information that the buses had been cancelled. They say it's because the Mexico government is forcing the hand of locals who are trying to help them saying don't help them. Don't. Aid assist them coming? We can't verify. That's true. But that's what the organizers saying. So today they started out on foot. But what you see along the road is really a hopscotch type of travel. They'll hail anything that's on wheels. Open flatbed trucks trucks with market produce trucks carrying cement. We had some fuel tankers with people riding on the top. We had a cement mixer with people literally leaping on the back of the cement mixer and holding onto grabbing anything they could. And then it careening down the road. There is a kind of system that every once in a while along the way, there's a stopping point. And and the women and children with strollers, wait there in the shade. Hoping that some truck will pass by that they can get a ride on today that happen. You know, we saw women and kids clambering into the back of trucks and throwing the strollers on top really anything. They can to avoid having to walk in. Tire distance. Are you finding that the people along the route right now, they're in Mexico? So the the Mexican people are empathetic to this caravan. We saw lots of aid assistance in town where we were the last two days. They pause for a day. And they got medical services dental food. A woman came with a crate of mandarins to get the children to have some vitamin c in their diet. After all the bread handouts that they're getting I saw that there are eating of Khyber rates. So I bring some vitamin C. She was pretty interesting. She said, you know, we've seen migrations all through history ovarian thing has made us either the reality known different way. But I think these things are normal. This is not abnormal. We think it is. Because today, we have hard borders were meant to within those borders. But really this is a. Historical event. That's happened. Many many times people moving to find a better life to find better economic conditions and really Jamie for most of the people here. That's what they're doing. So yes, they're getting a lot of help from just average people Mexicans realizing that as this woman told me these aren't dangerous people most of them, they're desperate people, and I just want to elaborate on that a little bit when you're speaking to people, and they're they're telling you why they're in this caravan why they're taking this arduous journey. What are some of the stories that they're telling you? Well, if there are four thousand people in this caravan, there are six thousand reasons why they're here. Everybody has a different story. But there are common things one is that they're fleeing violence in their homes. Going. Still everything. Dick, even leave a pair of shoes. And the other reason is that there's no employment that's steady. That's has a future. Because him which is only word to three days for wig. And then the gang members will still. I guess I was struck the other day when I asked a father. Why are you doing this? It's hard, and he just looked at me and emotion to his children. He said for them. When his son died, and I had this moment where I thought oh my gosh. I have heard that so often from so many migrants from so many different places. The adults could probably stick it out at home. But they don't see any future for their kids. So those are the types of people that are in this caravan. I think though, it's naive to assume that there aren't other people here. I've also spoken to people who admitted they've been deported sometimes several times either from Mexico or for the United States one man said he lived seventeen years in the United States. He was deported. He couldn't get a green card and he's trying to go back in Donald Trump. He's painting starkly different picture of this caravan than what I'm hearing from you that that it's full of thugs and gang members, and that they are essentially invading the border because many of those people. Criminals, and they wanna come into our country, and it's not happening on my watch not going to happen. Can we parse out a little bit more how accurate or not accurate? Some of this rhetoric is I think what isn't accurate is that the caravan is mostly made up of criminals and thugs that's simply not true from what I have observed. There are many more families than I ever imagined and many more kids and toddlers on the other hand, there's no way that I can say reliably that there aren't thugs or criminals within the cover of this caravan. It would be a natural way for them to try to move further north. So I think in fairness to the US president there could be criminal elements within this group. If only for the reason that if they did want to leave the crime in Central America, they could be injured or killed if they did that. So they're trying to get out or they're trying to get to America to continue with their criminal ways. I think possibly that is part of the caravan. But I can't say I've seen evidence of it. Trump is now saying that he's going to send up to ten thousand to fifteen thousand troops to the border version was stunning. A reminder. We have fourteen thousand troops stationed in Afghanistan. The president is talking about those level of numbers down at the US Mexico border. Are are the people that you're talking to their do. They seem concerned about this. Do they do they know about what could be waiting for them? Yes. I think over the the days we've been here that message has been trickling down further. More people. Seem to know that there's an active campaign against them getting to the border, and yes, many are worried. They don't like the sounds of that. And I think it's fair to say that they're now questioning their options. But what we're really seeing the effect. Jamie is in the public response. The government response to this caravan at first the Mexican government was a bit confused about how they dealt with it. They tried to push them back at the Guatemala border. They were overrun they tried to stop the month several points along the road. And now if we're to believe some of the organizers, they're trying to prevent local governments from helping them with transportation. And why do you think that the Mexican government is responding like this? I know that there have been other caravans in the past. There doesn't seem to have been such a strong response from the Mexican government. In those cases, this is not like a caravan of the past. It's bigger than the ones that we've observed in the past, and we all know it's at politically a critical time for America. So there's been a heightened response on both sides Mexico has stepped up they have helped stop a lot of the transportation means of these individuals in these caravans, forcing them walking. They have helped us. I'm just wondering if you could tell me about any of the people that you've met is there specific person or family who story has really moved to. There was a woman we found Fatina in medical tents. She's nineteen weeks pregnant she's twenty three years old with her third child. And because there's been so much walking. She's been on the road, the nurses were telling her that the baby had already turned head down. And that she had to be careful. She was resolute as many of them are that she would continue, but it has to be hard pregnant to walk like this. And don't forget she has to take care of her children on the route. It it does big the question. Why are these people still doing this? And I think that's a fair question because it's hard to see where this is going. I think that is the question that a lot of people might have here. We know the president is very clear that he is not going to let these. People into the United States. And so where does this go from here? I think people expect that the caravan will split up and people will sort of disappear either into Mexico or make their way back home. Most of them. I'm hearing quite a few people now questioning the reality of many of these people even getting close to the US border. It's still maybe thirteen hundred kilometers from here. And they're barely making it each day finding enough places to stop and rest. So the question is how will this play out? There will be some who will catch a train or catch a ride or make their way up to the US. But it won't be any anything like the four thousand who started out for some people. They'll see this as a success that they stopped the illegal movement of people in there is for. Others. They'll see this is a failure. Not for the people who tried but first system that can't help them get what they want which is a better life. It's on daughter because all he has in his that's what he wants. This group is a small fraction of the forty to fifty thousand people a month that the US border patrol apprehensions at that border with Mexico. So it makes it even more unusual that this has become sort of the poster child of caravans in this politicized environment. Because it's just a small part of. Susan. I wanna thank you so much for this conversation. I hope that you can get a little bit of wrath and and best of luck in the next couple of days. I look forward to continuing to follow your coverage. Thanks, jamie. A few hours after Susan ice boat. Donald Trump on television. He announced that he's finalizing a plan to crack down on his silence curse. The caravan was a centerpiece of his address he defended his plan by saying quote. This is totally legal. This is an invasion. They wanna throw rocks at our military. Our military fights back when they throw rocks like they did at the Mexico military and police I say considerate a rifle. That's all for today. Hope you enjoyed our first week of front burner from burner comes to you from CBC news and CBC podcasts. The show is produced by Elaine Chao, Shannon, Higgins, and Sylvia Thompson with sound design by Derek Vander wag the executive producer front burner is Nick McCabe locos. And I'm your host, Jamie. Tom. For more CBC podcasts. Goto CBC dot CA slash podcasts.

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Elaine Pasqua -- Positive Choices for Outstanding Performance

Sex is Not For Sissies

23:24 min | 7 months ago

Elaine Pasqua -- Positive Choices for Outstanding Performance

"Welcome to sex is not persistent radio. I'm your host Valda Ford and it's always such a pleasure to have people on who have such indepth knowledge about things of importance to us today. Our guest is Elaine Pascua. And she is just a fabulous person cheese dynamic she sought after she's a professional speaker. She's an expert on ways to keep ourselves healthy and in this day in time with the corona virus. And all the things going on. I wanted to talk with her today. Since nineteen ninety seven she has worked with more than half a million students at over sixty six hundred fifty universities. Nationwide percentage a high schools to parents countless businesses professional associations and the military. She's had the honor of working with thirty one thirty one row athletic teams across the NFL the NBA and the MLB at five feet three inches tall. She loves standing among the gentle giant so pro sports and enhancing the lives of young adults and athletes as a business owner for twenty two years. Elaine has a keen passion for women's issues and impairment. She is also a person who talks to young people in young professionals about how to keep themselves healthy how to have high performance end. Today we're GonNa talk about those very things. Welcome Elaine thank you. That's a pleasure to be. Here is such a pleasure and I know. You're tagline is empowering positive choices and today when everyone is so freaked out about the way the world is because our world is different than what it was a week ago and probably will be different for the for Co foreseeable future. What kind of positive choices should we be making these days to keep ourselves safe? Well I think we should be doing is following the guidelines from the CDC Keeping Ourselves. You No kidding. Maintaining nets social distance. They're saying now or non whose social distance against social distance on I live in the Philadelphia area so everything is being shut down right now and we have to honor that and respect that because it's affecting people over the age of so far sixty more and also people who are immunosuppressed Would I think I'd like to do is just go through? Punchless accepted strategies. If that works for you yes absolutely or sells healthy. So first thing that I want to address is a lot of people are wearing surgical mask and they do not protect against the virus. The the mask or porous and the virus can pass through them traditional surgical masks and the masks don't provide a seal on the sides of the face. What we also find is that when people wear masks they tend to their faces more or and so that can increase the chance of contracting the virus. The only mass that is effective is the N. As IN NANCY. Ninety five respirator and that can block ninety five percent of the particles but The problem too is if everybody's out there trying to purchase mass. We will have a shortage for healthcare providers. And so we've got to think you know moving forward as we get in dated. With more cases we have to protect our healthcare providers as well on handwashing is crucial. And what they've found. Is that the virus. Actually it has spikes come off of it but on the body of the virus itself. It has an envelope around that protects its DNA a structure an ornate structure and allows it to get into the cells in humans or infect humans. When you wash your hands you basically just breakdown. That envelope and then the virus is not able to do what it has to do to infected individual plus. You're just washing it. You're creating friction to remove the virus from the hands. So they say the average person when they do wash their hands wash her out four to six seconds and feeling washing twenty seconds so that singing happy birthday twice and it's the the the friction that you're providing on the hands that actually will remove the virus so you do wanNA use so they say that the temperature of the water is not as crucial. But it's really more about the friction and people need to be careful or intentional to get in between their fingers and a lot of people don't wash their thumbs and they should also be washing their nails. It's better right now ladies. You're going to hate me for this. But we should keep our now shorter. I used to be a dental hygienist. And we'd have to keep our nails short to reduce the amount of bacteria that we were contracting a passing on from one patient to another as well so so that's important You want to if you over wash. You could dry out the skin and create cracks in the skin and therefore you'll be able to attract more bacteria so there's a happy medium so the twenty seconds is good and then thoroughly rinsing them off and then you want to drive them thoroughly with a paper towel because she could be more prone to picking up bacteria or viruses when your hands are wet one of the things that I warn people about an. I've been issuing this warning for years. Do not use. The dyson air played a big dip. Your hand because of the fact that people don't wash their hands thoroughly than those are loaded with bacteria especially in public bathrooms and then you're just blowing that bacteria all over your hands. So I was working at a university in Philadelphia a few weeks ago and that was the only option in the bathroom. So what do I do shake hands off and I keep shaking until they dry so it's also good to moisturizes after you wash your hands so you don't have any cracks in the skin which could attract more bacteria number one rule out there is. Don't touch your face your mouth Your nose your eyes. That's how most influenzas bacteria anything enters into our body That make us sick. So if we're touching our Maoz noser is in. That could be a problem. And that's a tough habit to break. You know just even found a few minutes ago. A hair got in my mouth and then you're just pulling that out or your eyes get itchy especially now. Because he allergy season the pollen are increasing. So we have to be intentional of not putting our hands to our faces and we wanna keep that social distance. Now they're setting up. The droplets other virus are somewhat heavy. So they will fall to the ground but even being within three feet of an of into that could get into us into the nose the mouth or whatever and so keeping that that distance for a person is going to be Helpful as well. I've also been doing this for years. I'm also I'm not a journalist but I'm also cautious so when I go into public places Think about when you go to the bank or you go to a doctor's office or pharmacy. Were they want you to sign the hip of forms and everything will? Everybody came into the pharmacy. Before you was there to pick up a prescription and they were typically sick and so they're handing you the same pen or that same electronic thing that you have to sign and so I always carry my own. I pull out my own penn from my purse and I use that if you're stuck with one of those electric things that are attached. Maybe grab a tissue and and then pick it up with the tissues. So you're minimizing your exposure and right now when we all come back in our homes the first thing we do now is we wash our hands. You cannot speak the hand. Sanitizer outed should have sixty percent alcohol in it and you should leave it on there for ten seconds Lee so it do the job of breaking down the viruses and bacteria do not dry your hands after using the hand sanitizer. Just let them dry naturally as well. When I'm out in public I opened doors of my rear ended by Ken. Or I use my arms in my elbows when I'm on escalators. I never touched the handrails I'd just balanced and so I try to minimize what I'm touching that the general public could be touching as well and another out. Can I stop you for second and go back to when you come in the house and you're saying to wash your hands or do you use a hand sanitizer? Another thing thing that I suggest especially if you've been in a very crowded area or maybe not even so crowded is to go ahead and change your clothes when I was growing up my grandmother and mother and all of them were say. Don't get on the bed and you're outside close so for now because we don't know how long the virus can live on surfaces and probably just a few hours on clothes but imagine if its own your clothes you sneeze into your elbow now you pick up the baby or now you go to feed your elderly. Graham parent I say just come in and dump those clothes in the Washer and start with a new set excellent excellent I m advice. In fact I was reading in The Wall Street Journal the other day they have a whole section on Corona Virus Sydney. Were talking about how of washing clothes in. Warm water is affected bleaching if you have whites you can peroxide in to help You know kill the virus. You're close but you want test first. And then of course at a drier of or mortar is also going to kill it also on. That's a great idea of changing clothes as soon as you come in. I like that. I've always open windows in my home all throughout them. We don't get sick and learning that we tend to get sick. More frequently in the winter. Months is that the homes in the buildings are all closed up. So you're not flushing out. All the bacteria the viruses that covered in so I will all of even. It's even if it's a colder day I will rotate through my house and I'll open where the sun is shining in so it doesn't feel quite as cold as the air is coming in even just five or ten minutes to do that and Drink lots of fluids they hydrated. I only drink water and in fact I don't eat sugar. I thought I miss it. I like it. Everyone treat myself to dark chocolate. Which is good for the immune system put sugar feeds bacteria and viruses and it is also known to break down our immune systems and I have found that It seems the last couple of years I will treat myself at Thanksgiving and eat dessert. I always get a cold around your so. There seems to be a correlation so we just want to keep our bodies as strong as possible by boosting our immune system eating lots of raw fruits and vegetables eating really clean diet You know you want to make sure that it's balanced and taking vitamins. And so one thing that I did read. It said that her immune system needs fuels. So right now avoiding ultra low carbohydrate diets say We we should be avoiding that right now so we need that fuel of I think to to boost the immune system. I also vaporizer. At night. Not a humidifier the humidifiers ron on a colder element. So that you can emit more bacteria into the air but a vaporizer runs with a heated element and when you're providing moisture. At night we sleep. It helps to stave off bacteria and it you know 'cause the nasal passages or not as your -tated and so it's healthier for us to to run. The vaporisers in the cooler weather keeps us. Exercise is really really important You know a lot of people. We've lost a lot of money. In the stock market. People are watching their savings just dwindle. We are stressed every day. We are getting new mandates and telling us you know now they're taking away more and more of our our day to day activities and movement and so people are filled with anxiety and so exercise is the best thing that you can do I have. I'm an avid gardener. Not Everybody has those gardens. But I've been spending the last three days out in the garden besides trying to maintain what business is there It's been wonderful you know. I'm getting fresh air if feels good. I'm moving around for hours and hours. I planted rows of lettuce yesterday become self sufficient so I can eat my own lettuce which I've done for you anyway the now it tends to have more than meaning You know for doing this. And so the also when we exercise we secrete endorphins. That help us feel better. And so I think it you know. Even though they're saying don't go to gyms there are other ways that we can get our exercise and especially they always found the study's finding exercises more effective. I mean does more for us even just mentally when we exercise outside versus being inside so. I think it's important to do that. They also find people go overboard that Um could increase. Somebody's rates of infection. So you don't want to be doing that power power you know exercising for hours on end so they say that even thirty to sixty minutes of Exercise Day is is enough To to boost the immune system since this is sex for six Show is Sex for sissies addicts not for sissies going to say. I knew got it will have sex. Because sex is known to boost the immune system it reduces levels stress. And we do find that there is an increase in the immune system when people do make. Luv So Have some of that and Get adequate sleep. It's important that we try to get seven to eight hours of sleep a day We just need that. We need to refuel when we sleep. We actually remove the toxins from the brain and so when we go into deeper levels of sleep and so we become clear And can you know function and think that are the following day? I eating yogurt is also good. They're saying that we want to boost the probiotics and support the microbiome in our body and so having a low fat yogurt every day can help fight. The bacteria or viruses in our bodies says well. And I think one of the most important Tips to we can think about or to do is to just try to try to embrace the power positive thinking. I've been through a lot of tragedies in my life and I'm probably one of the most optimistic people that you'll meet and it's because I live every day with gratitude and even though things have these events just unfolded so quickly within the past week. And it's a shot to to our system our collective system here in our country. We always need to sit back. I always said that if every American spent some time in a third world country we would be a very different country because we take so much for granted. And so even though. We're told now to stay home. I appreciate the fact that I have a home and that I'm not living in a war zone or that I am. You know I still have food on my plate and I know a lot of us. Were not going to make the money that others You know we`re. We're not going to make the money that we expected. Many people are going to be laid off. Many people are going to be struggling to make ends meet and that's difficult again. My income I will not. I don't know when I'll work again. I'll problem deep might be until July but We just have to be creative. We have to be frugal but I think more than anything is just appreciate the people that we have around us. The friends the support that we have and the fact that we will get through this. We're resilient now. We looked at all the things that people have experienced over the course of time you know to a world wars. I can't imagine living through that Looking at the AIDS epidemic looking at the events unfolding after nine eleven There's been many tragedies and we will we will get through this and I think one of the things that we need to remember is that we are collectively making sacrifices to save lives. It's not going to affect young people the same way that it will the older people but those older people our parents and grandparents will You know they have so many loved ones and we want to help people to to save our family members or friends so it's a collective effort on all of our parts right. I really appreciate all the things that you're saying. And when it comes to young people even though they aren't as likely to be affected severely. What we are seeing is that many young people are the carriers and they are being a symptomatic but positive and they're walking around without knowing it taking this virus into the homes where the people that they love live whether it's a newborn or whether it's a senior with cancer or someone who has diabetes or heart disease. I hope that we can get the message out to young people that for once to not feel so invulnerable. Don't feel like it has nothing to do with you. Be the person who is respectful of the possibility that you may create a problem for someone else and I see a lot of them rising to that challenge due to the idea to and I think the other thing that we have to do is Honored the changes that happened in their lives like this is all a post on facebook. I am friends with a young man of work with university arts and Philadelphia every year for their welcoming program and I have become friends. Be Young Man. Who is the? He's a dance major and he was the first Male cheerleader for the Eagles football team and he was just on American idol. A few weeks ago made it through to Hollywood and I'm so excited for him and he posted an article. He shared an article today on social media about what's happening to college seniors across this country right now and you look at what's been taken away from them. The rite of passage for graduation. Who School like the University of the arts all of their senior performances and art shows and recitals have been cancelled and he he just posted he shared the on. Somebody came on and said well. I'm not being disrespectful. But you've got to think about all of us are losing our jobs in this and that and while I get it but I I wrote to that other person that posted on this it would look. I'm out of work too. But we need to have empathy for these people who have worked hard for this rite of passage and may have lost something as well Sir Roy Making sacrifices but a lot of young people and then you have the other people too who are out there. Well you know. More people are killed from the influenza. And Yeah just sorta discount this but this has a higher infectious rate. That names Linson and this has a potential to be a lot more serious and idol. Think our health care system would be setting out the alarms and shutting down if this were a serious issue that it is exactly. Yeah and my thing is always. Let's do more than we think we need to do. And if we look back six months from now and say man we did too much good it we look back six months from now and say wow. I wish I would have done that. That be the problem now. Unfortunately we have come to the end of our time. Because when you talking to fabulous in interesting people time disappears so tell me Make sure everyone knows how to get in touch with you how to reach out to us so that in the future hopefully near they will need you to come help them out or maybe you can help them online. Tell us how to find. You would love They can reach me. Will they? Website is Elaine Paschal. La I n e Pisa Cater a SSN. Sam here you way Dot Com so you can find me there. I am on facebook as Elaine Chao Square. I'm on twitter as well. I'm on instagram and My email is Elaine Elaine. Pasco DOT COM and I would look forward to hearing from any view would love to be able to help in any way that I can. Elaine I wanNA thank you so much for just being a constant out there in the world of letting people know simple things they can do to stay safe on a daily basis and particularly about what we're going through right now. I appreciate you and I look forward to speaking with you again soon. Thank you so much. It was an honor to be with you today. Thank you for your invitation. And you'd be safe. I will ever those of you. Who are listening out. There is always a pleasure to have you out there listening. If you are not able to reach Elaine please get in touch with me. Valda at Belda. Ford Dot Com. Talk to you soon bye bye.

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Ep 7: The Lost Art of Discipline w/ Chad Howse

The Super Human Life

54:28 min | 1 year ago

Ep 7: The Lost Art of Discipline w/ Chad Howse

"I don't feel i don't feel like getting up. Probably what you should. You don't feel like going for work. Go for work if you can get that rahman. If you get that process going where no you have to do. You don't feel like ring it mickey matson soundsystem determinist is completely under control. Welcome to the tonight. I'm your host frank rates and this is the only podcast in the world dedicated to helping men break free from the shackles of addiction through the power of faith and fitness. It is our goal with every every episode help you take back control and rebuild your body mind and spirit and we do so by bringing real involved conversations with people just like you aiming to find find a place in this world while dealing with the everyday struggles in battles that we all fit now it is my belief that we're all racist for a specific purpose and if we can harness that belief then take all of our mind and body for fitness then we can ultimately create the life that we've always dreamed about haro super human life. I wonder how grateful i am to have you here with me today. Let's get onto the today show. Uh what is this something that you're lacking king or is it something that all men are lacking in today's society well. That's the topic of today's conversation and discussion with such an incredible guest. Our guest on today's show always a great friend of mine. If you've been on you've heard me introduce him before as a man's man and here's what i mean he's raw. He's rugged smoke stogies. He drinks whiskey and he's all about living <hes> new credible powerful and impactful life chad house who i have on the show with me today is it published bush author of multiple books for man diet and the lost art of discipline is the second book and that's really what we dive deep in. Today is what is disciplined. What does it mean to check. What what does it mean to the world out there. How's it becomes such an epidemic in today's society. Chad also is the founder and creator of adverse alpha dot com. It's tribal mendez leading <hes> through his work through his content through his publications to live their greatest lies. He's also the owner of average south of supplements and within within that he's got the man brains which we talk about what that is why we created it. I'm just what it is in how it servicing the world chat is <hes> deepens this conversation's. He's well read. He's well traveled <hes> and you also get a chance to meet his best friend. In the world <hes> his big dog teddy eddie such an awesome incredible conversation. Some real insight bowl some real impactful tips on how to prevent high estrogen. You know what you need to do do in terms of if you're taking supplements what supplements you should avoid we talk deep on the lost art of discipline <hes> chad's book and how he feels that men can avoid falling into the traps that are out there in today's world today society and provide some real impactful <hes> tips and strategies it has destruction instruction your day being organized and living for a greater purpose <hes> we talk about some of chad's mentors and and people that he's learned from from in books that he's read and how those that helped shape and impact kes- life just an overall incredible conversation chad is <hes> somebody that you want to be following some of that you want let you get tapped into if you're out there trying to unlock in and cover your greatest purpose and if you're lacking in the area disciplined this is the show for you. This is the episode so guys. Thank you for tuning again to the super in life like i said it's just been incredible journey to get us to this point and we will not be here without you so if you're finding evaluate this show for finding value in these episodes. If you have not done so yet please make sure hit. De-subscribe button also make sure to leave us apply so rating if that's what that was a one star show links one star rating <hes> i need to have that feedback can take the time to write short review. Get us <hes> some <hes>. <hes> get us notice. Get <hes> get some traction on high teams because we are here. We are serving a mission. We're trying to reach more people in the better chance that we can do that is by having shared so if you know somebody out there in the world <hes> that this show can be impactful for make sure shared with them and like i said guys today's episode. It's all about being in the end. It's all about being disciplined man. It's all about creating. The greatest lied living your life so much. Let's get on with today's show. <music> chad house my brother welcome to the super human life. How how you doing thanks paul. How you doing amazing amazing <hes> incredible that i'm a i'm sitting here on the other side interviewing you. Today we have such a <hes> incredible history together and i know we're going to you know really a really deep into some topics that you're super passionate about just can't tell you how <hes> incredibly honored and blessed. I am to a to have you here on the show today. Okay 'cause. I know you're gonna bring so much. Value the listeners so much value to every man out there because i know that's what i know. That's what fuels you. I know <hes> you're driven to lead men <hes> in the right way so that's where we're going to go but <hes> you know before we kind of like you know deep into some of the stuff we wanted to discuss. I think it's important to you know set set the tone for the listeners on who is chad house. Who is the man sitting behind the microphone right now. So i know you have a massive business online that you can running for for years and you've grown ads in it started in the in the fitness space in notes evolved over time and and now you're doing supplements and you're you know you're an author. Sir and you know you got your content that you're putting out and everything so you know. Why don't you kind of you know like introduce yourself our listeners here and kinda give them a snapshot on the who chat is where it comes from what he's involved enjoying and know what makes them what makes him alive from the inside. <hes> okay well business lies. It's the the main focus. I guess help you guys get healthy command. I which is a book on national increase testosterone levels of walser is which is a book on how to help guys <music> <hes> become more disciplined and basically i just write lots of content and now it's more the selling supplements so the supplements is as so many industries are pretty when you really look at ingredients and all these different formulas and supplements are a lot of them are useless. I didn't know that l. listen. I'm just trying to create supplements. I wanna take that are good for men so like the first ones green laments almost every green saltzman increases estrogen region. I did london increase testosterone. You know just yeah. I like that stuff like that this up moussaka solving issues that are kind of backed by science yet that was <hes> that was fascinating to me. I remember i remember chatting with you when you were you know you're in the development of that and you are sharing that with me that literally. I think you did your research and like every other supplement. I'm an out there contained this. It was one and then there's a caveat for a fourth obsessed but there's <hes> alfalfa. If anyone anew is listening in green starter okay so yeah so go to your cabinet right now. Pull your green powder out while you're listening to this and we're going to we're jumping right in. We're given i'm and we're giving them now. Gets like within the first four minutes. This is this is incredible. It'll have alfalfa green tea or a thousand nine one or greedy or mets it so digestion flavors tons wherever there they're all astra genyk. Sometimes they'll actually have flaxseed in it which is estrogen eric. Okay okay so what does that so so for listener out there that now is looking at their their greens. I'm like oh. I have had this when you know they haven't done the research they haven't they haven't lived they. We know yet. They probably know testosterone man estrogen woman but we do have both of them. It's a balanced within our body so when we say that a that a supplement is eh stragetic virginia like what does that actually does that actually mean they'll help increase has ingredients. It'll increase justice and with estrogen with men today is there's a declining finding testosterone every decade every year in male testosterone levels the average keeps on on sliding down so a wad of that <hes> they don't really they can't pinpoint the exact reason but more sedentary lifestyle with it but we're surrounded by estrogen where like plastic and dan everything we use phone lasting plastic clothing. We've got <hes> chemicals jains in our shampoos and soaps and like it's like there might be a balanced where we need estrogen balloon. You basically every man should you should work. Laura is up strokes because were getting so much outside influence. Yeah now <hes> do you feel because i mean a lot of what you a lot of which you know labeled off dares like plastics soaps and all all these exterior things that are out in the world and they're in our environment like it's out of our control to a certain degree like you can you can choose not to drink out of plastic but chances are i mean that's it's going to happen. Maybe ninety eight percent is always going to be that too too little too little percents <hes> so. Do you think that it's more important to pay attention to the maybe the supplements things that we're ingesting into our body as i can't. I can't stop using a plastic cup forever. There's always gonna be that one time but i do have the ability to control troll what i'm putting in my mouth you think that's more important in terms of eliminating the yes virginia tech's shmole control. Yeah don't don't consume so. I also all those things. There's no point question was yeah okay so it doesn't help view hormonally or anything so i wanna greens. I like green idea of getting nutrients. Click thing rather than having to chop always as extra poles and whatever i don't you know i don't eat relatable. <hes> i like the idea of greens and getting like full amounts of ingredients was an most greens out like two hundred milligrams five hundred milligrams spirulina about five grams a full amounts of each ingredient in law. Most of them are just a lot of the roy labeled and a lot of our <hes> just <hes> they contain ingredients on the label so they marketed as a superfood now now we contain x. Amount of thirty superfoods twenty-five sagren's rally has like under ten if you weren't a full announcing right okay so if somebody's out there they're looking for. They're looking for green powder green supplement like it's it's not these hundreds of different elements like you wanna be ten or less than that's where that's where is too much a good agree so much like around ten ago nine so around that ten marks and anything above lake twenty year getting into some she'll just announced. It's not gonna do anything yeah got. It got it so yeah. I mean you know you. You your greens you have no you mentioned you mentioned the man diet you mentioned <hes> your book that you that you authored. <hes> you know i'm curious. Though is is what has been you know the real the real inspiration behind hind no behind this. I no no there's a fitness element to it but you know you're you're talking about. You know some some real. Stop you know with some guys in in ultimately like no creating a tribe man you have you know your average alpha tribe and it's like <hes> what's what's the inspiration behind the work that you're doing a lot of things that i think's thinks like the supplementing it can transfer to it has transferred of manliness transfer through he stuff. It's just a like trying to find answers to questions. I have trying to solve problems that i have tied because the problem of the people that have a problem if i am uh struggle and struggle and you guys all have some idea of how like the pain points or like or the struggle list with trying to find the solution or whatever so yeah okay so so so so the super human life you know i've said this over and over again. It's the only podcasts in the world dedicated to helping men break free from the shackles of addiction through the power of faith and fitness you know i don't think we need to go the addiction route. I mean but you know saying what what you just said that your work. Today is a result of you answering your questions in an packing your own problems so <hes> have there been there've been real signature her moments <hes> more real signature problems that you identified <hes> and in how you're able to overcome them like there's the the finish being scrawny is the very visible <hes>. There's a lack of discipline discipline times. Not what's wrote a book on discipline. 'cause you really figured out how to get that donald and yet there's a business dauth just like figuring that stuff out. There's like every guy i think. Every guy started working world that yeah yeah renar not a little bit. There's i think the i think the disciplined one is a is a good one that we could. We could really impact because you know i think i think every human being they struggled with discipline in some some areas of their life in <hes>. You know i you know i have. I have my thoughts lease and you know i think a lotta times discipline is a phrase. It's just lack of control over something physically but <hes> you know what is kind of you know. What would be if you know if you're coaching somebody or somebody's asking you you know they've they've read your content. They've they they're they're into your material and they i wanna dig dig deeper and they're like chat. I'm suffering with suffering with discipline <hes> and not trying to think of a common out out there so i don't have the discipline to to get up early and go to the gym. I can't go to the gym after work like here's one every like every man out. There can relate to at some point. I don't have the discipline <hes> go to jim out to the work because i'm tired after the long day <hes> i want to get home. I want to see my family. I wanna eat dinner with my kids and then i wanna sit down on the couch and i wanna watch <hes> sports center. I wanna watch the game. I wanna watch netflix but i don't have the discipline <hes> chad to shut it down early and get to bed at a reasonable time so that i could actually wake up in the morning and be productive before works so we all it's all excuses. It's all like we all make use. You gotta own up. The fact that makes cases as it is like we choose what we do is is in line with what we almost like you do that you do you don't shut down good enough time and then you can't wake up in the morning thing really wanna watch t._v. You wanna watch t._v. More than you wanna get in shape it is what it is like. If you really want to get in shape you're gonna shut it down early. Get ugh do a once twice three times and whatever yesterday it's <hes> the the a good barometer for what you should do is ever. We all know we should do. I think a lot of people we ask for advice either to get an excuse to get someone to say interesting else so we're excused from what we have to or two. They save advice than we get the onus on them and they'll tell us what we know. We have to do so we do it. In fails sales we give a little less effort than their excuse like just an excuse. Eileen dasa advice much yasser vice in seeing watching stuff is good. We don't need to ask for feedback advice as much as we do. You want to hear someone talk about our problems and stuff like that. I don't think we need it as much as we like. Get after it whereas we seek it yeah oh we need we need to do. We just don't do it and that's on us so it's it's it's. It's just if you don't feel like doing something. That's probably we should be there. You don't feel like getting up probably you should you should probably get up. You don't feel like going for workout gopher work. If you can get that barometer of you can get that <hes> the process going where you know you have to you. Don't feel like doing it and making that snap decision it just do it. That's gonna lead to a lot more but it is completely under control and tax don't really work. You just got to get it done wants and then twice yeah now. Make things easy for yourself off it in in-involved stepping out of of a comfort zone. You don't want to do something because it's because it's different to what you're currently fitting in. This is okay. This is a safe place to to be. There's no real harm because yeah you may you may make the commitment to <hes> start getting up early but then what if you do feel what if few would it be. Don't transform your body. What if you don't actually achieve achieve the goal <hes>. Do you think that's what it is. It's it's we're comfort like. We're very comfortable here in if you live in a society where everything's easy it's it's just laziness. It's choosing the easy path but you get nothing has ever been one from laziness like literally enough. No one's done anything by being lazy. Yes oh it's just we can get by. We used to have to really hustle and struggle to survive me. I i was doing very minimal effort now. <hes> so a lot of people do and then well then you can get into the psychological aspect of they've got limiting south believes like the use that i've found out where he just think you're not if you if you think you're not worth it if you think you're not a you don't have a good view of who you are. You're improbably unlikely to put african because you don't believe you're gonna succeed anyway. So that's something that you have to kind of get in under control. I think affirmations were with not. I'm not saying things allowed over your thought your union but at the same time 'support you just got to start acting as the guy you want to be you know or as your your goal yes oh yes. She got close yeah. I'm looking at you sitting there. I know you at your desk in and behind you as a giant library of books and i know you've been a you know you've been a student of <hes> older success. You read a lot of biographies and you know you just made the comment of need to start acting acting like the person that you want to be or act like the person that is that is doing what you want to get to and so <hes> what you know what what have you gotten from studying in some of the you know the greats of of the past i mean <hes> who are some of you know who are some of the people that you've you really read and learned a lot from <hes> and then what have you you really taken from them that most most guys aren't applying in today's society but have really allowed you to overcome fit falling into the trap satay. Take there's theodore roosevelt james stockdale. I guess he's not like old old but he's he's like modern install <unk> dead now where he vice presidential candidate james stockdale okay vasu philisophical <unk> good luck okay going to link that in wilmington in the not kabbadi stoic marcus aurelius titas saka related the polian bonaparte the endless like john d. rockefeller author like you might not like what his legacy is but how he earned his wealth <hes> shameless henry ford how you earn his wealth as president. I think under the big ones like so the show ballers yeah with iraq right yeah. There's this one episode. He's like. He's telling telling the story whereas he's like all my dad worked in his meal or whenever i can't remember what it was in guide our work for this company for twenty years and finally got to meet the boss i i one day guys success lost off and what he realizes that brawl guys is like some believe you can simply can't have henry ford said if you think he can you you think you can't you're right and what you see when reading good biographies is that they're they're just guys you know. They just decided to start a bigger. They didn't really limit what they went. After <hes> and then they had a user time better than they had different view of time time isn't like like resting on her right like you don't deserve to take it easy. We don't deserve to like sleep and we don't deserve a t._v. Show we won't don't deserve this day thought the reason for being here was to to like to <hes> give their absolute best to build the biggest company to build the biggest legacy to whatever you know. We'll so many of these guys were. I mean they were part of you know building in essence building the world that we're living in today. I mean they were early. Pioneers in i think one of my favorite <hes> <hes> i'm not going to quote it exactly but one of my favorite henry ford kind of sayings or quotes is i think it's from napoleon hill thinking grow rich and he talks about <hes> somebody was in his office when time hi and asked him <hes> they're talking about <hes>. How do you know everything or how do you know how do you get every question answer and he's like he's like i don't have the answer to every questioned by abba button on my desk sitting right there <hes> that if i need something i'll be able to find the right person or something something about this. I think you know he was one of the ones that knew. It was is more than just himself. He knew in order for him to accomplish everything that he did is he needed to have the right team in the right circle and the right group of individuals around him and <hes> and and i think you know a lot of the a lot of problems that that manner anybody faces today is is you have the ability to live in an isolated world <hes> <hes> and so i i work in my office previous. It was engaged and whatnot happening someone around all the time all the time so that's changed. It's different. It's different macy. Get out and do more often written schedule so you think it's <hes> do you think is important then for for men in particular to to have a to have a group you know to have tab brotherhood to have a fellowship to have whenever it is a group of friends that are that are in an accountable to each other <hes> not just from a remote basis but you actually get together spend time. I'll like it's not a sort of personal development. It's just you know the drinking beers. You're yes oh geeze. You're watching the fights. Just having you need obviously young. Women are awesome not they. They think they are they don't they. Don't let stephanie here. That is actually hilarious. Not on purpose are any time you have your your pals via once a month like whatever once every two weeks it's going to be the time where you can probably like when you're deep into the scotch talk about some good stuff when you're like joking around. You're gonna laugh your ass off yeah. Great retired man and you get to do stuff with like hobbies are good with with with the thousand i yeah i think you've got but at the same time the here's the thing like a lot of people lie guys are in situations where they don't have that. It's like okay. Here's what i think what a lot of people struggle with solitude. It can be very tough if you think it's something that is <hes> it's <hes> you unwillingly accepted. You know as soon as you turn it into a choice this okay. This is alone right now. In this is my choice to do what i can with my time it turns into something that can be powerful. Yeah yeah that's well. That's going line with what you're talking about. The you know the greats from the past. It's like they didn't they didn't believe in clinical downtime or no no. I don't wanna say didn't believe in relaxing but it's like when you know when they were focused and it was time to get the work done. It's like they will i. I think they probably had to clearly no like what it what it was. They were trying to to accomplish like there were so clear on their their dreams their goals their mission that they were trying to to create so when you have that i then yeah you you have to have the ability to focus focusing on in actually get stuff done and i think that's where now once again. We're gonna talk about the the discipline though as well so <hes> i knew said hacks don't working you know it's just you got to do the work but <hes> you know things can be. You know things can be overly addictive. Food can be <hes> television asian poor and you know we talked about that. Drugs alcohol like all that stuff that can derail people <hes> from from staying focused staying disciplined <hes>. Do you have any advice for the guy out there that that maybe that's where he's he's at. He's like he's like chad. I just i need something more than just do the work yeah like if you struggle with focus with work. Can i struggle with. I i gotta make it easier myself. You know turning off throats. Put the phone away but then set a timer. Aching muscles set a timer. It'll be tough if you've done it. Then get up to forty five two so four trees exiting timer is good because there's a deadline align right down. You don't finish out what you get up and go for a walk but it's a muscle you can train on her percent yet. It just habits. All life is is habits. You've got the ones or bad ones and you can make good ones and you can slide into yeah. Yeah i love. I love the i love. The analogy of i mean obviously we had a very very similar conversation with a previous guest <hes> but he talked about the same thing. It's like your mind is a muscles repetition daily daily repetition and <hes> we were discussing meditation in on his episode and he was like no don't don't try to start and sit down and do thirty minutes of quiet relax. You know seated meditation starts two minutes install with five minutes so you're saying the same exact thing you're saying start with thirty minutes of focused work are focused anything into the activity that you're lacking the discipline in news at for a few times and then you progress and then you do more. No you do thirty five you. Do you do forty. <hes> you forty five. It's a it's a progression over bureau like a habits that you want and if you have any idea about like what kind of guy you want to be you know what happens. Are you just gonna start. The habit abbott best example is a book was but you if you wanna do one hundred push ups a day in the morning right when you wake up all you do. Is you do one push up every more times. I just wanted to start with one push up. You're gonna be able to do on partial every morning. <hes> and you're probably more than one when you get down but the goal is one right because there's no barrier between you and one push up. There's a barrier between you and fifty and one hundred one was two zero very if you if you you set an alarm for ten minutes you went to ten minutes of focused work. That's you and your head. You know you can do sit down. You probably gonna end up being like alarms off okay yeah. I liked the feeling of this. I like the work. I'm doing accent but then i got her this season. Two units gets too big or <hes>. The work blocks gets few big and you try to do more than <hes> than you're able to do in my mind is like if you ever read anything until i had not known the blacks one <hes> skin in the game anti fragile. He's the best as far as like understanding anything <hes> you. He works exon greatcoats <unk> routine and he he works. He works <hes> in a random fashion because he thinks routines atrop- of of some kind you know what i mean so i'm kinda like a goal my routines within there's a law of when you sit down to work do the work and you can set your timer that helps helps them gene but cigarette how you work thus and ally yourself. Sometimes you negrete you need everything setup structured and everything yeah i think i think i fall into two more of that boat. Where i you know i have everything from the minute that i wake up like the first two hours of my day is mapped out into same every okay yeah no matter where i am no matter what time i wake up you know. Which is you know around in and around the same time. I just naturally get up but it's like i had these two hours at our mind every single day no matter what <hes> because that's brings me to where i need to be an ingrowing closer to the person that i wanna come so so you talked about you know habits though and is there because when i hear habits i default to to routine. I think they're almost to me <hes> interchangeable changeable. So how do you define habits versus routines because if everything in our life is about our habits but maybe routines aren't as important how do you how do you determine <hes> he's using the really informed because it makes it automatic but okay habits. You got a go to or what you do when you come home after after elliott a day of work it might not be routine technically but you might just take control of your <hes>. You might have a habit for how you react to people in when you're driving have have a habit of getting angry. Norrie's you might <hes> might have a lot of internal habits that people have like the thought process of people follow uh of <hes> just like the the habit of envious thinking room or self doubt or whatever susil law more than just routine involved how his averages <hes> when you break down to you. Are you know we wanna think that who we are as dislike spiritual thing and i think it is to a degree but that's who you are what you do. That's the only evidence of existence you know so <hes> if you want if you think of yourself as this great person with a lot of potential that's let's see your habits and if they don't line up then you wanna change your habits and law to talk to you <hes> how you speak what you routinely do in certain constitue situations how you react in certain situations so it's a leisa likes to trap like you gotta constantly assistance. You're constantly thinking again like i am i am i like how am i acting in a way that lines up with how i wanna live in so forth yeah yeah. I one hundred percent. One hundred percents resonate resonate there with that so do you <hes> does chad have any habits or or does he have any anything that he teaches or stopping. Stop in in things that you've written in terms of you identified that my habits aren't in line with who i am. So how can i now work backwards. Reverse engineer sure <hes> to establish some better habits. Yes so the two things i bet if if you want to things that i've i recently i was in the last couple of months is i am not gratitude so are not good. I it's i hate it. I don't like it when people talk about it because it always sounds so fluffy and all you yeah. I know it's really good. It's just sounds so fluffy. You know like all it doesn't sound real but then what people are are you just like like opening up your phone and thrown in here and everybody blab about stuff like okay. I'm just like super grateful for life. These blessings as now come on like life is full of ups downs and everything goes to hell one day and time and all this stuff but signee. I need to work garage like trying to be something. I'm not normally yours term improve any cloudy guys that we want to be better than we are focused on. What isn't area right now right so a couple of things i did. I just three things. I did instead of writing a perfect day. I'll as if i wrote privy davis from where i am right now so it's like all right. I don't need anything else. <hes> nearly two years ago the house i live it would be a marvel. You'll be nice on it. So it's all relative right. Do do couple things routine wise. I can work wise. I love work so <hes> i did that and then gratitude i'll i. I cannot write down gratitude each target so i'll i'll do all like probably when i walk so walk teddy every morning i'll go to the gym at six the x. and a walk teddy at <hes> like some fifteen thirty nine so i do that. Oh pray thanking god for legit things exonerating not like that. I'm still breathing or like you know like like austral bank for example for real things that i like to force gorge yourself to to find them out and then to say it out loud like are we thinking twelve hundred words a minute. We can speak one hundred so if you if view just let your thoughts go. You're gonna think rioted. That's why can't ready down because you're thinking you're gonna stay. Gratitude for like twenty percent of the time in the rest of the thoughts are going to be about some random stuff. It just flies into your head at united methodist there but when you're speaking it overrides thinking lawrence time right so i need to say say just to slow the rain down to actually feel it. You know what i mean and then the third thing was <hes> whatever they call those the affirmations formations okay like characteristic to that. I want to develop or be and saying it in anson sang in la repeatedly got. It got so you're so every day every morning. You're grateful for physical tangible things that you have within your life like real things that are sitting there or even just like lake insanely grateful for the dog and the sunrise so that's awesome. I love sometimes. It's like agree pastimes. It's it's good good work day the day before the endless there is things but they're but they're but they're current things and they're they're real but then you do you set your affirmations for kind of the intent for the future of who you're trying to like but i feel what are what i've found is is. They end up her tailing behavior to sit what you're telling yourself. You are going to lie your lie to yourself. You doin elaine chao so i like. I like the word impressive asu because i can picture it guys disciplined. He's he's got his stuff together. He's he's. He's getting outfit nonstop performer. Yeah okay so i can. I can picture that of use that term since i was young i've kind of formed without is my hat icon con notice and then i end up wanting to to live to that standards will keep on saying keep on saying you have your word of discipline are disciplined <unk> planned. I'm whenever guys wretch rich. Whatever do you think that's do. You think that's something that's lacking with men today. Do you think that <hes> that that too many men or i don't really have an idea of who they're trying to become like they're just they're just stuck here. They may be accepted. What did <hes> you know their certain economic status or dynamic or their family dynamics or and they're like i can. I can't be a hyper home. I wasn't born with high performer. Former jeans and i think a lot of that is like we we see these people that have accomplished great things in the world and we're like oh. You know that's given yes it is but you know they made the most of of their god given talents but do you think that people in in men in particular are just are just lacking. Maybe a direction or or path that they're trying to go down the. I think there's a lot of things in i think <hes> i think there is there's sidled. Things like men are inch wjr menard being taught to be like those ambitious aggressive kind aimed lies. Amen actually are recalled the dots kind of toxic which it isn't. It's it's great. Great like bill are safe free societies too. I think there's just an endless options so it's <hes> it's difficult difficult. Choose a path. I think a lot of people too many different paths and restrict to one. I've seen that a lot. I've seen guys who start to one of the guys stopped and are just doing amazing. Guys got a lot of talent on the job and they're failing. You know 'cause you can't you. Don't give whatever it is trying to talks. I've been i've done that both stayed the course and a skipped around a little too much. I think it's like back yeah we we saw sell ourselves short but that has a lot to do with like comparison syndrome and <hes> and you know upbringing and i'll be exposed to certain things like slow. Certain amount of success is the whole that seem that it is possible seen it. We are all just guys guys guys a billionaire or a multimillionaire like the guy you know he's just the kind of things you can do it and he's just you know figuring figuring stuff out and we yeah we definitely degrade what we're we're. We're aiming after within our efforts to sport to offer is really not not that great still coming back to just the lack of of not doing the work like just yeah what the what the then go said. There's a voice inside side you that says don't eight and that voice will go. If there's a voice inside you that says a lot of i think harvest laziness just lazy. People people were it will become lazy. People part of it is we don't do the self we we should do because we don't think it'll actually achieve what we want to achieve. We've got these these limiting beliefs excuses where we were like. I like. I don't wanna work for ten years on one thing. It's not worth it and like somehow l. Success will find me anyway kinda thing right <hes> so i would say so it'll happen you know but if you're if you're a christian guy had you been given every blessing you have ever needed sound like you need. You don't need anymore. Blessings it says in the bible lot says be strong. That's like the command doesn't doesn't say how do doesn't give steps doesn't give like this is how to be strong. Whatever is said be strong. You know exactly what you gotta do. Y'all need anything else so just this is me talking to myself to yet. Yogi constantly got to be tougher on yourself isn't isn't that the experience of life though now is is figuring that stuff out like we don't like we. Have you know we had the principals. Are we have kind of the orders of go be strong saying but we weren't giving tactics ix also be strong. Yeah everyone knows what that is these strong and if you're talking about point be strong. What do you think it means. Don't watch for top watching porn born. If you're if you're if you're really down on yourself even depressed and this is gonna sound so <hes> an i like. We've all been we've all been. The process involved in really down. We've all our situation. We've all up for me. I think we've all been there. He strong noted as don't let those thoughts continue. Stop stop those thoughts get up. Do something productive like be strong is a very simple like we don't need tactics. We've been tactic to death the we. I think to on some level we know what that means. No what the strong way to actors and we know what the week weighed office the week way to act is being lazy and augin after it strong way is moving forward if you fail or if you get hurt or if you you you know roque and try whatever you learn recalibrate calibrate going again you don't you don't stop being strong and that's a call tha that's what men are not called to do or we're almost told to be solf which is completely against our nature like china lion not to eat animals and it just goes against our nature. No wonder depression. Let stuff is through the yeah yeah. Yeah what what do you think physical strength what role does physical strength play into that and in fitness and activity. I know that's a big element. W live you talked about getting up at the gym six a._m. So talking about be strong and all these other things like yes. We know that but <hes> where where does where does the physical strength play into all casal number of things george said week men can't be virtuous. Were a line because virtue doesn't care about what you think doesn't care. What oh you intend to do doesn't care about what your feelings are verging. Her choice means. You've actually done something. Good your week man. You're not going to be able to protect. You're not going to be able to provide not going to be able to defend whatever i put a scrambles day teddy's trying to bring a tree up the hill and he got his mouth stock in the branch to branch in the one hundred and five pounds. I think we need to 'cause. He referenced teddy a few times. I know teddy. I love teddy. I've never met him but you know we spent spend united spend a lot of time so teddy introduced teddy to the audience so he knows who who were talking to let us right there. Look at that beautiful beautiful boy. He's he's a hundred pound dog. Origin are strong dogs <hes> but so he owned his tree a a fallen tree up the hill and gets most stuck in between the brash and the trump and so he starts screaming. It was the worst thing i've ever heard i felt horrible but i run <music> over their foot the foot on the branch and lift the tree and i broke the ratchet free his mouth whatever it wasn't an easy thing to do but if i was weaker it's not the strongest you apply weaker and i wouldn't be able to come to the aid of something so simple as my talk. You know so we're strengths plays. A role is is would like actually being it's like you can grade masculinity your own masculinity on on on the strikes go you know. Are you more valuable. If you're weak nick or if you're strong your valuables stran- it isn't in other areas. Life has to go to crop or whatever like you can have everything the second part is of physical pain like we need physical pain. Our allies you to push physical pain. We live in a society now where you might not have any cisco pain run of a day unless swimming. Mike bring into our lives so i think that's just it's. It's a simple way of getting tougher as well got. It love love at <hes> so do you have <hes> committee. Lets you know at this point. We can give some real practical advice out there on the on the strength side of things i think it's you know <hes> so guys out there and he's he's like he's resonating with this so much and he's like chad hearing what you're saying. Brother and now is the time that i'm you know i'm gonna make the change changing chapter in my life <hes> let's let's give him some some takeaway some tactical tips on on the physical what would be the first three things at a guy out there. That's got newsweek <hes> he's. He's all these things that we've that. We've discussed here where where can start well. You've got some good strengths off training soft right. Do i do yeah gala franks programs and do it i i i don't believe in trying to make your own program. Is you're going to strength dead. Lift squat military price benchpress bendel rose. Do those things he's got it to. The league minimum got it so the man without stop so so get a program. That's out there though don't try to figure it out on your goes back to what we talked at the beginning though i think you said you gotta find somebody. You know like you're falling way. You gotta know where you're trying to go so before you buy the program. Make sure the program matches what it is. You're trying to accomplish a lot of my stuff. You know that i've created no last couple. Years was more bodybuilding specific not not pure strength training <hes> but if you're you work no you're looking for. You know full physique development. You know that's going to require a different level of commitment. That's going to require a different mode of training you have a high purchase based training <music> but but real shrinks stuff yeah just picking up and moving like programs daily undulated periods period ization. I dislike squad three times a week like i get great results off those begun <hes> <hes> with like trying to so you got the like my website yourself average and i think we're all average in comparison to where we wanna go anyway so average is well. We're all average and we've got the ideal of the guy we need it having and that's the guy that has done everything we could have done. That's the guy trying to be and the closer we get to him. They're better <hes> <hes>. I think you gotta get in the gym. Guys gotta. Do you gotta be active. You gotta do stuff outside you get into hiking or gets a man man hobbies and stuff like that skills under your belt at our about more than just like your worker your physique wherever we all gotta get up to the mountains and visit is it visit chad and go hiking there right yeah last night yeah. There's there's like some hikes or won't hear like u._d.'s announced to the guys that don't like everything you need is is a toss so all right well yeah so so i know you have your nutrition elements as well the mandate book <hes> do you have some some you know maybe relgious quick practical advice ice on the nutrition side of things got everybody covered if so if you've got questions out there you want to build muscle. No and you don't want to do the deep. He hit me up. We'll we'll get you some muscle buildings masic muscle all stuff but i know there's a lot of research that you put into the mantar and it was specifically written ferdinand with declining testosterone so now what you know what's what's this book all about what are we. What are we teaching your so. There's a lot of five nights or like different diets. That like haven't really looked at the the male hormones. There's a lot of foods. It's like that we eat and think are healthy but aren't great for testosterone levels most grapefruit <unk> as a lot of them are they just i got the wrong kind of fat saturated monounsaturated fat and saturated fat but if you have well <unk> house vitamin e. with no help your your body <hes> use it under the main thing was with a diet is gonna eat foods that help you hormonally that contain the micronutrients to help you and and you can eat a balanced diet need animals animals out using possibly <hes> i think you need hydrates while because it keeps cortisol levels low and and are these are these are these times are they. Are they specifically eaten at certain times or can we do. There's the full day protocol all news the internet protocol. I like fasting simply because it allows for <hes> less time. Union stopped it and net saw it at noon. I'll take nick. I'll take some mandarins. I'll take some angry at noon. I knew i knew a bunch of fruit how that <hes> <hes> and then <hes> usually it's like a snack good size knock and then a an animal and someone else dinner yeah. I'm i'm one hundred percent on no. I like eating as few times well. This is where i'm at right now and have come to this incredible realization. You know being a competitive bodybuilder for close to a decade and eating on a schedule and caring airing tupperware's everywhere. I win six meals a day required six meals of preparation required six neal's a cleanup required six meals of of eating where to yeah yeah yeah just yeah need heating and in a way i was i was i was doing all this but on strike when people ask me like frank. How do you only one time a day right now and i'm like. Do you realize like how how much time i've literally bought back onto my life. I mean there's hours within the day that i'm able to be productive to create a to do whatever it is that i need to do not just sitting there eating <hes> you know and it's you know i'm not carrying a muscle mass that i was you know for a long time. I don't have a desire at this point to do that. Eh <hes> but in terms of like mental cognition and like just you know just functioning within lifelike can easily get by on eating one giant bowl of meal or one enjoyable of meet every single day so yeah. I'm all on the animal products <hes> you. You touched on like some nuts. I think <hes> everybody out. Do you know if you're if you're following any on akito dive in. It's gonna say eat nuts. You know a lot of these other. Ones are sane eat nuts but you said specifically that there's some nuts that we want to avoid read certain ones. We want to eat yes. Oh there's like some that are weird. Brazilian nuts out selenium participate testosterone russell high saturated doc which is great protest also but then i heard they have i read somewhere that there are actually high estrogen. Thank you like oh along the lines lines of a flax resort. I gotta look into that more <hes> but there's not a lot of nazi should have them all in saturated fats right <hes> so i get my fats mix. I always forget always mixed them up in the wrong way but yet not sir just you know need them so oh yep yep animals and and and get <hes> like another great thought is <hes> olive oil rawls villes amazing. What's your go-to to me. What's what's chad's animal choice if i if i had an animal i could have <hes> elk. I think it's the best animal more it's the tastiest tuned to the gaming the game he meets us gain meet game genie or it's not like gamy game. If you've prepared wrong way or whatever on would always like but like that's me you know not gainey. It's like not not real neat yeah. It's commercial grade an pumped full of who knows what gajah amazing so what chad man this is. This has been incredible. I'm just kind of looking at clock. I want to respect your time respect. Everybody know listening here so <hes> incredible incredible stuff. You know that we talked about. I think no no the discipline aspect and i know there was so much so much value you know giving here today. <hes> where can you know work in the audience. Find you know we talked about greens. We talked about average towel. <hes> we talked about some of the other content. We talked about the man diet <hes>. I don't want to direct people in like thirty different directions if you're interested in getting more chad after this so <hes> we have a handful all the places i maybe we can send them. What's what's the best way for people to go because i've got the mandarin link on there. Okay okay house house spell h. W. s. okay and then just type in chad house c. j. d. h. o. W. google and tables stuff will come up okay in incredible man yet. This was super super insightful impactful. I know it's going to help a lot of guys guys out there. So i appreciate your time today uh-huh wrapping up. I've been kind of tested a few different things with some of the shows here. I'm still you know so early in this podcast and game. I don't know what what is doing so <hes>. I've been asking this question no so feel free to answer it in any way that you possibly want to <hes> what is your definition of living a super human life <hes> i definition of living a super human life is shoot. The third one definition of lillies of life is <hes> uh-huh. Maybe if you just don't make excuses for yourself because then you're just gonna do if we just didn't make uses didn't feel bad for ourselves didn't pay a yourselves didn't choose easy path and we just got rid of that negative in all we'd house action audacity daring the the work so i think maybe if if if you get rid of that small seemingly incident significant negative amazing. I think if you if you answered that question in the way eta said that you were lying because it just it just resonates in replays everything that we talked about here have disciplined work hard. Don't make excuses. Be yeah man be strong. Get stuff done and end and just just just lift your to to your potential to to who you were were created to be so it's about never being lazy and yeah you're gonna fail every day. You're gonna win every day so <hes> just continuing to stick to the chorus and continuing to to work hard and not make excuses and be a man strong masculine virtuous man in a world today that is lacking too many hundred percent incredible rather. Why thank you so much man if you guys are out there during this is your first time listening to the superman life. We thank you so much for sticking with us today. Please make sure if you find value in this podcast in the show in the message of what we're trying to accomplish here. Please make sure to you subscribe to the podcast here on itunes or wherever you're listening to it gives a five star rating. Leave us review <hes>. We're really trying to impact the world which really trying to spread a real positive message with this podcast augustine. The only way that we can continue to do that is through you through your support your love and through sharing this <hes> so thank you all for being with us today. Thank you once again chad house. Thank you teddy bear the background. This is frank rich ted house on and off. We love you guys.

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CES 2020: What happens in Vegas? More and more of the next big thing

Marketplace Tech with Molly Wood

07:11 min | 10 months ago

CES 2020: What happens in Vegas? More and more of the next big thing

"The little trade show going on in Las Vegas this week where people are making big promises about the next big thing on attack horizon from American public media. This is marketplace tech demystifying the digital economy. I'm Jack Stuart Smalley. Would your regular hosts. Mali has been in Vegas this week at C. S.. So we're going to check in with her for the big takeaways from what used to be known as the the Consumer Electronics Show C. E. S. claims to be the gathering place for developers innovators and suppliers to showcase the very latest in consumer attack. Four thousand four hundred companies exhibit one. Hundred seventy thousand people attend from one hundred sixty countries but there are still questions about about how representative the show is with continuing signs that it just can't get it right when it comes to women in Tech Molly called into our marketplace studios from the yes show floor between interviews panels. I we started talking about the big theme this year. Five G. THE SUPER FAST mobile broadband tech that supposed was to revolutionize our online lives. Why we still don't have it as with so many things? It is infrastructure. It is simply a matter of getting all all of these different cells literal physical cells into all of these neighborhoods all of these cities all these rural areas having the spectrum to support that it's is kind of the roads and bridges that need to be built so that five can actually come out and that is a no one. Should you know even if all of the technologies in place if you can't turn that system on it's not gonna go anywhere is the one particular. Take away the really stood out for you from from the week. Sony of all companies unease unveiled an electric car prototype. They don't intend to build it. As far as I know I mean it really is truly a prototype. But it's a working prototype that everybody can get their hands on and sit in the seats and you know stream Sony movies and it was really meant to demonstrate. How automotive is this next? Huge computing platform platform and it just goes so hand-in-hand with entertainment and all these other technologies and so everybody's buzzing about this only electric car molly last year. You spoke with one of the leaders of the Consumer Technology Association the Group which runs the es about the presence of Booth Babes of the conference. You saw them there in two thousand nineteen any me update this year. I did and see us as really continues to be unable to avoid kind of gender-based controversy. I can tell you that I aid saw booth Babes and one of the major halls in the convention center at the Nikon Booth and what. CAS Did and with the did was say. We're going to implement a stricter dress code and I think if you hugh to that law and you have really attractive female models in ball gowns instead of bikinis that maybe you have. You know you've achieved the letter letter of the law but not the spirit so I think that that culture changed clearly takes time and perhaps stronger enforcement and then of course. You had a lot of controversy Z.. Around Ivanka trump appearing as a keynote speaker for you know years and years. CAS has not had female keynote speakers speakers as a part of its big presentation lineup. In one of the reasons that they always gave was that there aren't that many female CEOS of companies and that that was their filter so so I think a lot of women were upset to see vodka. Trump was not the CEO of a company and does not have particularly deep tech credentials. Be One of the very few women giving a keynote address. So certainly some of those gender controversies continue. Molly thank you molly. Wood will be back in the host chair here next week with more from CBS. She she spoke some big name. CEO's they're of companies like Delta QUALCOMM and Qube and now for some related links. We talked about Sony's technology testbed electric car and the latest tech on it the type of technology that could eventually lead to self driving even 'cause they'll transportation secretary Elaine Chao spoke at. CBS and she outlines the government's. Av four point guidelines for autonomous vehicles and it turns out. They're basically a bunch of voluntary standards with not a lot of detail on enforcement. Industry might be very happy with that. Safety groups are not linked to the details details. But we also wanted to give you some related audio today because inbetween interviews molly would went exploring those giant exhibit holes of CAS with marketplace engineer. Engineer drew justed and this is just a sample of what they found. Basically a lot of gadgets focused on. Let's call it incremental self-improvement smartphone vision tests. No this is going to make me feel bad about myself. Evidently it's going to be like. Oh Yeah you get your phone too much. Yeah What is visceral fat level? Visceral levels are after the holidays. This all is terrible. It's like come through here and test your is I and then find out how fat you are badly asleep big Todo. Are you familiar with Todo. Drew the wash lights. There'd be days I got got fun fact. I got everyone in my family days for Christmas. I was basically the little like clean. But Oh yes this is the thing so the toilet paper roller. Like if you don't have it today like you should in your second the toilet in your out of toilet paper. Apparently you can summon near Little Sharman robot in no breaks. I'm to you like Oh God. He was actually sitting on the pot. Amazing I WANNA get lice or anything when I KINDA WANNA lay on one of those beds. Okay just note this moment that if I get bedbugs happened here I'm not going to let this forgiven. Heated does not really opening your company's loving your partner and breathing to help me fall asleep. Faster move to the other side. Okay Bye can resist the trivial for a while. But I'm only human. You can talk all you want. What about the smart home and artificial intelligence and five G. an autonomous driving and whatever? Beverly's brush their teeth change baby and pope you like. It's nice to see the consumer electronics industry address. All the needs. Mommy Molly would getting some well unrest at. CBS S. that Stephanie Hughes Produces Marketplace Tech our system producer is Alvarado. Thank you to the moon for certain. CBS wrangling this year. Jody backers our senior producer. Rubbing EDA's engineer and I'm Jack Stewart that is marketplace tech. This is a P._M..

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391- Over the Road

99% Invisible

44:34 min | 8 months ago

391- Over the Road

"This is ninety nine percent invisible. I'm ruined Mars. Nine happy is to give you the tools to deco the built world in cities in the country and the highways in between it's those highways and the truckers that drive the American economy that is the subject of the new radio. Topiary show called over the road. The podcast is a window into a world that you pass by at sixty five miles an hour without giving much thought but it is so fascinating you will never see semi truck the same way again. Every night beautiful marriages subscribe. It does appear. Here's the first episode of over. The road hosted by long-haul Paul. Four years ago I was northbound on. I seventy five and Knoxville Tennessee. My cargo a load of imported watermelons they had sailed on a container ship from Guatemala. To South Florida where they were transferred by forklift onto big trucks driven by folks like me. These were those tiny seedless designer types. They call personal watermelons. How always wondered about the marketing cat? Who came up with that one personal watermelons? It's like a watermelon. You can have as a friend. I was pulling a refrigerated trailer back. Then I refer as we call them a reverse a heavily insulated box trailer equipped with a giant diesel-powered temperature control unit. It's actually got the capacity to maintain more than forty thousand pounds of perishable freight at temperatures as cold as twenty below. It was rush hour in Knoxville or K. Town and trucker code traffic came to a screeching halt at the junction of I seventy five and I six forty. I got stopped time but the trucker behind me well not so much shoot rear ended. I took a minute to collect myself and walked to the back of the trailer to check I on the other driver. He said he was okay. Then I opened the vent hatch to check my load. What's seconds before had been perfectly picked personal? Watermelon was now pro lapsing through its ruptured rind down the crumple exterior of what had once been the trailer. Stainless steel door in on my trembling hand. Sorry Friend unbeknownst to me at the time this baptism and a puree of personal watermelon would come to being my own creative big bang. Strangely as a result of this event I would come to be a part time recording artist a contributor for overdrive magazine and now even a card carrying podcasts producing Radio Tobin. I'm long haul Paul. You're listening to over the road. I got the Lucy. You Lucia for your Komo truck it up baby on the top of this mountain and I know I still gotta get down the other side somehow and I'm so scared I'm shaking but I know quite a few drivers swear by roasting salmon over there engine. We were willing to take a pot bellied pig. We tried to even pick up a sixty pound tortoises. Ain't that anymore. What why should it be that? Here's how this is going to work. We've been traveling all over the country down the highways and the hedges collecting the real stories of real people who live and work over the road. We've got eight episodes for you and each one. We explore. How trucking his changing today. At along the way I'll tell you a few of my own stories. Heck I might even Shing-yuan few songs. Let's start out at a place called the Kentucky Expo Center and Louisville home to the mid America trucking show or mats for short think of a Home Depot about twelve times. Its normal size. Then fill it with trucks truck drivers and every possible thing. Anyone has ever thought of to make a buck off trucker networks. So what we're selling is bedbug eaters truckers that have cavs ninety thousand people with some concerts and swag. And you've got the mid America trucking show. You've got your air freshener dudes odor eliminator products for the highway professionals. Not Those guys. We say three sprays last for days. Tell me about this beef jerky you've got those old boys you make the beef jerky you'll ever eat. He'll that really tender. Actually both those guys to we are insurance company specialising owner operators or the international vendors hoping to land that pig contract. I shall cover solve our big truck. Makers are here like Ken. Works and Peter Babaar new five. Seventy Nine ultra loft in its black castle model truckmaker high proud to tell people. I can't afford a real one but I can hook you up with a real nice. But for many longtime gear jammers that signifies something more. It's a Hobo convention of sorts. A chance to see all trucking buddies and to swap stories. And that's why we're here if you want to know what's going on in the trucking world. This is a good place to start but first let's cover some basics. There are four point two million Americans who hold a CDL does a commercial driver's license a CDL allows us to drive a vehicle weighing over twenty six thousand pounds together. We move seventy percent of all domestic freight. Think of it everything you see at the store everything you buy online move spite truck at some point. Add it all up. We're talking about a seven hundred billion dollar industry moving literally fifty five billion pounds of stuff every day at that rate. American truckers could haul off the great pyramid of Giza Stone by stone about five times a day. Of course there are lots of different types of truckers and trucks out there refrigerated freight truck that caller reefer trust. You know like what I drive flatbed. We should call him. Skateboards US big flat trailers with loads of lumber and steel called of the bed. Boettger is a furniture holler tanker truck we call a tanker Ganger. I drive one of those sometimes to talk. How board accountable I mean. There's all kinds of terminology for as you can imagine. We have our own factions. Clegson hierarchies bettors usually associated with the river. Guys like me and the ball. Hollers could never see themselves as freight haulers part door. Swingers has called them. Because all a door swinger does backup to the darkened. Swing the doors open and shut our show. They say here for three days at least none of that matters. We're all just drivers and not a one of us. Came here to have a bad time. Volvo dynamic steering with stability assist is a new innovation from Volvo trucks. Allowed lot of the talk at Matt's this year there's about new technology when a truck starts to skin. It seems every part of the truck has got a computer in it. Now who's been concedes turned on even the seat notice. How much of the bouncing is evil eliminated by active suspension seats? Computer controlled motor. And there's a feeling the technology is not just changing the truck but a changing us and the way we do business that the codes and culture of trucking are eroding. Before is we've ever met are just real like I think it lasts bump into a facebook friend on the show floor aimed. Greg Murphy now works for Uber through a resume. And if you're never going to happen yes. The rideshare company Uber. And here I am now Greg. You have a unique story because you are a longtime truckdriver exactly. Yes become like the public relations liaison for Uber. Exactly kind of the interpreter. I would call it between The trucking community and Uber frayed crank is affable middle aged or the salt and pepper beard and a cool Fedora. More truckdriver than computer person. That's for sure all around him is a veritable failings of Uber's black-shirted millennials. But Greg speaks fluent trucker and so he pulls out his phone and shows me okay. Another middle aged guy and yet another FIDORA opens up. How do you see Uber Free App and it knows it? I'm in Louisville today so thinking about it and so it has these little cards for each load right so incentive connecting cars with riders frame as connecting Tux. With loads off to us. Greg if you would so this is from Walton Kentucky to Los Alamos California for three thousand seventy s the price for this load eighteen hundred miles. It has what type of trailer the load number and all that What it is the wait. Oh I have to do is tap. That card and the load is nine. No phone calls. No haggling technologies coming and it's We need to embrace it and and be part of the conversation. I have to wonder them at three thousand bucks on a state of distance of eighteen. Hundred Miles doesn't know. Haggle simply mean. Take it or leave it. You have no choice. I'm going to confess to you. There is a primal fear about the power of a company like this change overall is just difficult for people to embrace. It's unfamiliar. We don't know what it's going to look like that creates anxiety that said truckers are embracing new technology and using it for their own benefit. You've got quite a hat collection way back when I gave myself heatstroke by being stupid take Sandra Gucci. Basically you tell how the people were treated you if you're a professional if there was a bathroom that you could use because there's a lot of places that don't allow truckers to use the bathroom. She's told me about doc. Four one one. It's a reading at basically like for loading docks. You kinda helped the trucker after you or the person after you. They've surveyed over ten thousand truckers about their experiences. Sandra Harris talk for one. One number one reviewer if they have forklifts that use forklifts on her some of the other attributes Stephen that you can think of if there's overnight parking if you can sleep there overnight. Parking Sandra drives us a team with her husband. Stephen how you were treated professional. If I was to read the review that I put in for this one doc I would never take freight into the stock. We went in there the first time and we waited three hours to get unloaded which that's okay. Second time we went in there. We waited thirteen hours. No bathrooms no facilities and couldn't leave. The truck refuse like that are ending up and turned into a scorecard for every dock. They do business with DOC forewoman. It's one of those things that it's like it's never going to be complete because there's always going to be new docks but it's going to be a big relief taller structures but they're still another technology on truckers minds at. Matt's this year right now log something much more consequential than a new APP electronic log situations become a pretty big issue that's called an e county mandate has electric walking vice didn't need any log versus a log. I mean most of the time. That's the biggest thing. Iran this log issue is all playing out right now and a pretty much. The biggest change. That's come to our culture since I started trucking no bowl. Hundreds of big rigs took over highway ninety nine in protest today. Creating truckers have even put on protests about these guys ninety. Five southbound is shutdown. I'm one of those things that just keeps coming up in our conversations with drivers so on our first day at Matt's we find ourselves at the vintage Meru peterbilt someone who's been at the centre so much of the protest. Yes so My Name's Mike Landes from lititz Pennsylvania Amish Country Town Lancaster County I got into trucking right out of high school pretty much. I got my CDL. After I graduated first time I got behind the wheel. Driving School to local Vo Tech it was all downhill from. There are about how truckers record. They're driving and working hours. So yeah we have What the car hours of service which is Once you come on duty you're allowed fourteen hours of working time Eleven of that fourteen can be driving. But then you have to take ten hours off before you can go back to work so every day. Get fourteen hours on duty and you have to take ten hours off. Problem with that is is that once you start your day. Your clock for the day doesn't stop now in the past. Those hours were recorded and paper logbooks. Every driver kept a set of books in the cab recorded their time with a pen on a four line grid and made that log available to inspectors and state patrol. Basically iraq-related yourself so to me. That's important because I was taught the old way of trucking. You know you do what you gotTa do to get the job done. But you sleep when you're tired and you know you truck when you're awake if you took a quick nap and your shift or ran a little over the time limit you could juggle that cleric. I mean you. Don't turn into a Zombie. Just because you're five minutes past your time and fall asleep and drive offside road you could chuckle until the electronic logging device and basically what that does is it hooks into the computer on the motor of the truck and it records everything you do. You know how hard you're on a throttle how hard you're on a break and you're moving. Stop your speed the whole nine yards. It counts down every second of your day so whereas before on a paper logbook. If you're five minutes past your time pointing a truck stop. Nobody knew the difference. No harm no foul. But now I mean I've seen people backed halfway in a parking spot and truck stops already. Because if they finish backing up their yield these. Put them in violation. Go another fifty beaten back drubbing. Parking spot you hear stories like this all the time truck speech like Wales and the most God awful places because their drivers ran out of hours. You've probably seen those trucks yourself That's because in December twenty seventeen a new mandate came into effect requiring. Virtually all trucks on the road to run an electronic log and to me it's a slap in the face driving a truck at eighteen years old. I'm now thirty. Three closing in on two million miles. I have a clean driving record to me. All comes down to the way I was taught that comes down to the responsibility of knowing you're operating an eighty thousand pound machine and the fact that they're going to tell me that I need this thing in my truck to keep me safe on. The road doesn't sit well with me at all. I I hear you loud and clear we do. These texts Texas Florida triangles. A lot denise Stepmother is dying. She's in Louisiana Nursing Home and we want to see her. She's days away from dying literally days away from that and I'm on. Aol Deep. We stopped to see her and essentially. We've got to say goodbye to her in about forty five minutes because our fourteen our caucus taking and I just have this moment of complete clarity. That something's gotTa give and there's a lot of people that will say. Hey that's not true. They don't force you to drive tired. They don't force you to not take a shower. Yada Yada Yada well. I mean you're right. The thing doesn't reach up and grab me and tell me I need to keep trucking but the sad reality is is they kind of do now. I should say here that Mike does not run any lock. The reason my truck don't need one is because the cutoff date is two thousand and newer need them and ninety nine and older. Do not so. It's ninety nine. Peterbilt is just to all to connect to a computer. But Mike has done more than just. Avoid the new regulation. It's actually fighting it so we started United States Transportation Alliance and The unique thing about us is that all of us are drivers that met through doing protests. Type stuff You know for the industry and Nobody out here. That is making these rules. Regulations or pushing for rules or regulations have ever sat behind the wheel for any amount of time and definitely not anytime recently. So you know when we go to DC and we go every month right now we park our trucks we meet with congressmen and senators and FMCSA. That's the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. Truckload carriers met with the so. It's been it's been a pretty good thing. And we were fortunate enough to help with the our service center supposed to be changed. I'm actually expecting an announcement here at Matt's for that. In fact the keynote speaker for the weekend is none other than Elaine Chao. The United States Secretary of Transportation So we're hoping that it has to do something with that. Realize things change with the times and technology goes mattiello thing but truck and still trucking and I chose me personally. I chose to drive a truck because I grew up around trucks and I love trucks and for me you know it sounds kind of Corny but the other. We got invited to a concert by someone that we know backstage and stuff afterwards. You're hanging out and watching this guy up on stage. You could tell he was just in his zone and I said the best way I could describe watching you on stage like me riding across the California Arizona Desert with a truck pressed out in the Moonlit night chicken lights on Pike Singing and dry cruising and some people are like. I don't get it. You're just driving a truck down the road and I'm like yeah but to me it's more than just driving a truck down the road you know. It's the freedom of it and that's kind of being taken away. What the bad part is they help. If we don't do anything to help fight stuff guys like me are going to be gone soon after the break here that big announcement from Elaine Chao but I venture out onto the parking lot at Matt's we'll hear why this log thing is such a big deal and I'll tell you what gave me and how. Ld's lead at least indirectly to the making of this podcast You're listening to over the road on ninety nine percent of his bowl here again is over the road. Hey folks todd dills here. I'm the senior editor with overdrive magazine. Which is helping to produce this podcast for those of you are new. This trucking world overdrive basically a trade publication for independent truckers ones. Who owned the rigs a whole with for many years? We've called ourselves the voice of the American trucker in so part of what we wanted to do with this podcast to actually build a little bridge between highway. Haulers who read overdrive. And well the uninitiated among you. So I'm going to be hosting special series of mini episodes or I'll take questions from those of you outside the business and put them directly to our trucking listeners. We're calling the Channel One nine special after the CB radio channel used for trucker to trucker information sharing the first channel. One nine episode will show up in your feed next week. But I'm dropping in now to ask a quick favor if you've got questions about trucking seriously about anything at all having to do with no question is too simple or too strange. Give us a call at seven. Six five two four five four eight four four and leave us a message again. Seven six five two four five four eight four four. Be Sure to state your name and location with your question and thanks okay so back to the mid America trucking show. I WanNa pick things up the next morning. Outside in the parking lot or drivers are busy polishing their trucks. I love truck and it's a lifestyle. It's not a job lifestyle. They're actually two parking lots of Chuck's at Manse each with its own vibe. There's this show lot and Papa. John's lot we'll explain why it's called that in a minute but the show lot is home. The Paul Key Young Truck Beauty Championship. And that's where we start our day. My Name's Deborah Jones. I'm working on excessive behavior number one Eric. Turner neighbor my truck. Is Showtime Lose Fresher? Down here for your term. You check out my scrapbook trigger valve. This is a place where trucks have names. The ghost is a nineteen ninety six freightliner classic exile part of the family. It goes says my big daryl. Phyllis is my little nervous tuned. Those little amber bulb we call chicken lights very rival chicken lights and they won't Crown White carpeting wood floors. It's actually just a wooden Florida. You get from Home Depot really for the competition itself. Trucks are organized into different sections marked off with plastic ropes. There are categories like antique custom limited. Mileage bobtail working class bobtail working Combo. Meaning I put miles on my trip. My favorite the antique original. I cut my teeth on one of these trucks. Trans Star International. There's nothing like the. Am radio reception on. All Steel made old school western style. Own there are teams working entire year to PREPA truck for this show up soon guys Polish on a day and a half and they're still rubbing now breathe it fleet it. If you believe as I do that a truck can be a work of art and this is the Guggenheim. There's a lot of history. There are a lot of our lives has been spent in it under it over and everything squirrel jury. We've done this job. How much would you have to have this charge two hundred green? What sort of installment plan would you consider? We couldn't do that. Thank you sir. Yes Sir as we leave the show lot. I know that two hundred Grand Peterbilt will never be mind. Let's face it. I'm more of a papa. John's type this lot serves a University of Louisville Football Stadium formerly known as Papa John's Stadium. The university dropped that name after the pizza. Magnate found himself in hot water but for truckers the shorthand stuck in any case picture a stadium parking lot with rows upon rows of tractor trailers. Only thing is these aren't show trucks. These are just the trucks. People drove here to attend the one with the shoestrings on the stone on what the statute of limitations. They're all out here now with our camping. Chairs gas grills coolers walking their dogs in the Kentucky Spring Air. It's maybe the biggest tailgate in all trucking big enough but you can actually lose your truck in it at the show lot. I didn't see a single person I knew but down here. In steerage it's different. I'm digging back new chrome bumper. Tell you what happened. The last one wasn't the deer. Now remember that. What's his name. Be in the back of my head later that night. There's even an impromptu concert. Let's get back to it now and guess who gets invited to say flat out there any flatbeds okay. Great Yeah and the end. Another side Gig. I'm a singer Songwriter. Got A friend. He felt deeply in love with a female flat better but when she learned that he pulled a reefer. She rejected him because he didn't know how you know the chains and the binder and it's called. I'll never run that back door anymore. She laid down and drought me on NASCAR more teen and put it in. Says you couldn't live with the guilt. What we done in that Peterbilt and never back. Nobody conscience like this or a reenactment of a bygone age drivers would be laid over at some truckstop. Someone would bring out a grill. Someone would contribute a case of beer. Someone might commandeer a chicken or two off their load someone. I just have a guitar swinger. Maybe that's why this log thing is such a big deal because there just doesn't seem to be time for those encounters anymore and maybe that's why I still come back here to hear the stories. The stories had seduced me into this live so long ago. I started grabbing in eighty-eight hall now to Mississippi Furniture that same night. Luton to guiding. Tim Ed they will tell you right. Quit life if you cannot turn five thousand miles a week. We don't need you. We've got a stack applications over here this thing we can replace you. Tamar and of course did you know you know our take a great job of good creighton. Nope and I would do allied ever three or four hundred miles for some there really. Was this dark side to the old days. I mean taking whatever drugs you could take to stay away. Stories like this of trucking's wilder days really. Aren't that hard to come by around here. We were stopped exit thirty in Tennessee. Eight hundred two hundred ever Jay for some reason it now which is aches fever. I think we've been herded onto the digital reservation of the law is like we have to tell these stories. I remember one time. I went all the way to Boston out trying to get through traffic trying to get back Massachusetts state. Police pulls me over. He passbook pockets. I had a cargo pads. The bottle was down at the bottom of it. He missed it. I could have got years in the penitentiary. Then so I I go down to the rest of the Rhode Island and I celebrate not do B. Two lines. It's not just to get back but the it was it to get high. It was due a job. It was for for your work. It was a recreational is turn it miles turning bird off of that stuff. There's three ways you get off a crane meth jail the grave Jesus How's it ever Rela and I'd been up two or three days and I pray you know. Help me. And he spoke to me. He said it's up to you is through the grace of God that I got off of it. So you're now you're off the crank. Yes he's prayed. God's intervene what do you tell your boss at needs? Five thousand miles a week from you told. I can't do it. I work for myself. How OPERATOR DOWN? Thank God he delivered me from that aspect too now. I worked when I won't they gotta be delivered. I got my I E L D back in Twenty. Sixteen a few months after that watermelon wreck. I told you about a Knoxville the fleet I worked for announce that we would roll out an e log pilot program. Guinea pigs were needed. Something about Knoxville. Jarred me more than it should have for years. I had pushed myself to the limit as a produce Holler and had never been bothered by the what ifs but after Knoxville. It just seemed like my nine lives. Were at that time. The log felt like kind of a way out of all that. So I let Brenda our safety officer. No I would give it a try. That's right folks. I volunteered when the day came. They trained me on how to operate the dog. Which recorded the trucks data straight onto a basic samsung tablet. The company told me not to go crazy on net flicks and off. I went to Thomas now carting around this brand new tablet. I started recording some of my songs and posting them. On Youtube Dream Some Ikea's I also began writing about my experience of being an old trucker who had to make the log switch. I mostly did this as a Cathartic exercise but on a whim. I sent some of these ramblings to an editor at overdrive magazine named Todd. Dell's you heard from todd earlier. Todd wound up giving the shot on this blog. Now on this podcast. So at the risk of being shunned by all my friends I have to say in a way I all this to eat. Locks limit to sin is ruling Downer. Watch good been with shoebox songs just pushing that tents sleeping but enough about me. He took all weekend. Drivers are waiting for that big update that Mike was telling us about on the new rules for e logs. What we call hours of service. Yeah we've had a few people sign up to be members and stuff so far while we've been gladys even has a booth set up on the showroom floor of Matt dropped a couple thousand dollars out of my own company to build the booth and we'd trucked here in this whole crew here dressed in their matching black shirts you know. Get the word out there and show people who are what we're doing and what better place to do it where thousands of truck drivers at one spot. It's been a year now since E. L. D. mandate went into effect. And we're all feeling it in one way or the other so he's sit through long seminars by government administrators but no news then on our last day at Matt's Transportation Secretary. Elaine Chao gets up to give us the keynote address if the DOT has something to say this would be the time but right away the power goes out would eventually comes back. Why laughing but she gets to what we're all waiting to hear so me and the Department of board the nest at which is remaining service so I can't deal hard stance still nothing no news. Sirius just then alarm. Sounds trying to tell us. Tell you this instead. The speech turns to the usual platitudes mates. Were I'm so tired of that line? Read two here on our Blah Blah Blah Eric. Without really saying much of anything at all. Elaine Chao beds us all farewell. Mid America trucking show closed the next day. Trucks drove out in formation while the PAPA. John's lot gradually disbanded. Matt's was done but we're just getting started. We're going to keep following this L. D. issue across the series. We'll hear how Mike Landes brought his fight to the streets of Washington D. C. and found unlikely allies in the process for some context. We'll go deep into the history of trucking with one of my favorite writers. We'll hang out at truck stops and meet the families of truckers to understand how this business affects the people around us and we'll pair onto a future where trucks may just drive themselves. But I were going to Grand Island Nebraska to find out why anyone would want to drive a truck in the first place. I was intrigued and so I called her up and I said No. Now come again about this truck driving. What did you say thanks to? Everyone entrusted us with their stories. We'll catch you again over the road. Momma said John You know you can become whatever you want to be so by Grace Brown for her to see became the sea in nineteen years old. I was wrestling bowling alley. Call me one day. Now it's down on the blood flow takes everything in its way and when takes a lot of people make a podcast? I'm going to tell you about all of them over. The road pit crew includes producer and sound designer Ian Costs and contributing producer. Lacy Roberts Transmitter. Media are editor overdrive. 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The Little Diddy About Mitch and Elaine Edition

Slate's Political Gabfest

1:06:37 hr | 1 year ago

The Little Diddy About Mitch and Elaine Edition

"Hello slate listeners, help us make a better sleep for the future by answering. Our survey, it will only take a few minutes, and you can find it at slate dot com slash survey. This episode of the gab fest contains explicit language. Hello and welcome to the late political gap is for June. Thirteenth nineteen a little ditty about Mitch Elaine edition. I'm David plot of that was cheer. I've in Washington DC alone, green felt cable, but I'm looking, I'm looking through the miracle science all the way to New York where I see John Dickerson CVS a sixty minutes. Alot John, David, and I almost saw Emily, but she was off Mike there for a second. There's Emily Baz lawn of the New York Times. I can't imagine what you mean. It's the seller. Let's forget about yellow school for a little while. John, I John is so well dressed and he, we had the conversation before the show about why he's well-dressed even though he's not appearing on TV's. Not he is on writing his book right now. And so he insufficiently answered it, so I'm gonna ask you one more time Johnny in two sentences or less. Why on a random Thursday, when as far as I know you do not need to be on television. Are you so beautifully dress? Well, because I, I like I like dressing. Well, but more to the point I when you get up in the morning. It. You don't have think about what you're gonna wear. You grab a shirt a tie that goes with it getting your suit, you're out the door like all my other clothing options, are McClair, don't require thought. And at any minute, I could like have to go do something and or meet with somebody, where I have to be so. So that's, that's anyway. So that's true. Plus, why not you know? What the real reason though is the one I said off, Mike, which is when you're in the middle of writing a book, and you're deep in the bowels of your process. Everything seems up for grabs. All of the normal stability in life is removed from you and you are in a howling void. And so if you can have your self put together, at least in terms of what you're wearing it provides some tiny structure against the, the terror of the abyss that, that is probably the most important thing, gaffes listeners are going to here today, and it was in the first thirty second of the show contended off. Now we on plan, so you should turn it off right now. Say standpoint and the hell onto the abet listeners what we're viewing is David sitting at a green table. The bubble tea it looks like you're, you're the most relaxed car dealer in Vegas. I've ever seen that table with the green felt looks like a card table. It's, it's true. I wish we were playing a little rounders here today to add that I am the opposite of put together, I am a drowned rat because I just got caught in a downpour New York, and I'm going to be cold and wet all day in my clothes now. Go ahead. We can start the show, okay? Now no listeners on today's gabfest are Mitch McConnell and Elaine Chao, the most corrupt couple in Washington. The most powerful couple in Washington, the most supportive and loving couple in Washington. We will discuss then state governments are more partisan than they have ever been is that, okay? Is there any way to moderate them, and then the addicting radical nature of YouTube, and other tech platforms topic? We touched at, at our special live show this past weekend. We're going to go deeper on it. How is the, the, the addicting nature of those platforms transforming the public square in public debate and can that be controlled? Plus, we're gonna cocktail chatter. Andy reminder, dear Canadian. And other listeners that on July tenth Wednesday we're going to be in Toronto. We're going to be Kerner hall at the center for performance and learning and they're still tickets available for that show. It is our first show in Canada are for show outside the United States, and we're really excited to come visit you need some restaurant recommendations, some walking around Toronto recommendations. But mostly I need your butts in seats recommendation. Go to slate dot com slash live and join us on Wednesday, July tenth in Toronto excited that we're doing. I really this is a huge highlight of the summer our first international show, secretary of transportation, Elaine Chao is married to Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, and I learned, it amazing fact, which, John, you probably already knew or remembered, this is not the first time that the secretary of transportation and the Senate majority, Bob Dole, and Elizabeth Dole with transportation secretary, when Bob Dole's majority leader, but Chow and McConnell have a very potent partnership, potent political partnership opponent. They're very supportive of each other politically, and I assume orally as well, but now have come allegations of corruption in two forms. I that Chow as transportation secretary steering project to Kentucky to help her husband help her husband's reelection campaign, and essentially favor, Kentucky in department transportation funding for, for pork, pork, barrel projects and second. The CIA is using her own influence to help her family's shipping firm, her her family American family of Chinese origin, has a shipping firm call foremost that has very close ties to the Chinese government. And she may have been using her connections to help, smooth and lubricate relations with China to, to that foremost business, thrives emulate. So we have the situation where a former McConnell staffer, former Senate staffer name Todd Inman is now, Elaine Chao chief of staff at the transportation department, and he seems to be acting as a special intimacy in. Intermediary steering money to Kentucky. They're seventy eight million dollars in grants transportation, grants that have gone to Kentucky during this period of where we're chasmin transportation secretary. Is that a problem? It's like the swampy est swampy story ever. Right of these different agencies, colluding, maybe clothings, not the right word, but it seems as if these connections are greasing projects in Kentucky and what I actually don't understand. I mean, maybe it makes perfect sense in Donald Trump's America. But McConnell's response to the coverage of this story and political, which broke the story was to say, oh, ha, ha I should've gotten more projects. I have been talking to my wife about these projects. And I'm only upset that we only got five approved as if like this was all so normal that he should just wave it off to the point of embracing it. And I that actually did surprise me the. Utter lack of embarrassment and shame. But honestly, what is the point of being Senate majority leader, if you cannot get a square named after you a highway named after you seventy eight million dollars channel to your state? It seems pretty piddling as things go. And, and these, I guess, my my yeah. My lack of concern about this is these are at least projects that are serving the public now they're not perhaps serving the public as well as another project, that might have been chosen had the process been fares gifts public, but they're certainly not lining their own pockets here. Yeah. But they're lining up lining McConnell's reelection pockets and you want the government to me making decisions about spending your money in a way that seems fair and impartial. And like the best projects go. I that seems like a perfectly legitimate hundred percent reasonable aspiration to have our government, right? Exactly. So the, you don't want your decisions about who gets money to be based on the main maintenance of power, which is to say keeping in an office. But what you're saying, essentially, David is that there's always been a relationship between staying in office and doing things your voters like which keep you in office and delivering goods your state. It's always gone through a system that is not one hundred percent pure scientific evaluation of what needs money and what doesn't need money, the context of this, though, is important, which is that President Trump and this is long since become almost a laugh line because of the number of lobbyists, the president has. Put into his administration after promising he wouldn't have any, but then, Secondly, the number of administration senior level, top level administration officials and cabinet officials who have had to resign or been well, who've had to resign based on either petty or less than the little more than petty ethics and sort of swampy behavior, so the context in which this is happening is from a president who came into office saying he was going to drain the swamp. I mean, the political report the times report actually didn't do anything for me, but the, the political report was very carefully laid out. I mean it, it, it not only showed how Chow hired a special Todd Inman at first job was to be basically special agent in charge of or special intermediary four, Kentucky. That was a privilege, no other state enjoyed according to politico, and the specific project was one than that McConnell went and boasted about I thought. The most telling quote in that political piece was from a man named L Mattingly, the chief executive of, of the county in which Owensboro, which is where the project was located said, Todd in this case, referring to Inman, probably smooth the way. I mean, you know, used his influence. Everybody says that project stand on their own merit. Right. So if I've got ten projects and they're all equal. Where do you get? Where do you go to break the tie? So basically this special person broke the tie. I have literally no problem with this. I have so for several reasons. Wait can I say can I can I can I finish my sons? So my no problem with this. Our this is not self. I think what will has done. I think what President Trump and his family have done. I think what Ryan Zinke. And Scott Pruitt have done in terms of self enrichment using the government to, to enrich themselves is vile. I think the mouth mouth distribution of resources in the in the. Of government resources is a fairly mild sin, which actually serves the public in general, because it shows the public that actually political power is valuable and useful and, and seniority and the accumulation of political powers, valuable and useful. And that's a really good lesson. Like good thing for political. It's good for political system to indicate that if you work hard, and politics and build up alliances and gain power, it will serve your constituents, and that teaches your constituents at politics is in itself, an effective and useful mechanism of action. That's number one. Number two, is that this kind of favor trading and lubrication that, that this minor form of graft? Does it allows favors to be swapped back and forth? And it's true. It's it's somewhat problematic. That it's just a Republican transportation secretary self dealing with a Republican Senate majority leader. But if it also can work across the aisle, if it can also work too. To help distribute pork to Democrats. That's a pretty good thing to happen. And as we've as we've discussed in the past, and is Jonathan row, she's written about so eloquently, the loss of pork barrel. Politics has made our political system, much less flexible and made the capacity for compromise diminish. And, and so I like seeing evidence of it in the system. So normally I'm on this bus with you. But I can't take it with you all the way to the depot. Here's why. So the process is supposed to have some mix of or does have maybe isn't supposed to is supposed to have some version of what you're talking about people accumulate power to, to serve their local interests and the competition of power finds a rough balance of distributing services and goods and money, fine. The marriage bed is not part of that deal. So what you're talking about is supposed to operate through the congressional system. You accumulate power. You have power on committees. And all of that stuff in the congressional system is a system, that's thought through so that you have this thing, which has the potential to goes to get really skis -i where you have lobbyists and campaign donations and where it can go wrong, and where distribution can happen, not based on a rough merit. But on total maintenance of power, you have a system through, which it goes, and it's relatively transparent tries to be, and there's checks and balances at some level in this case, when it's basically between a married couple all of that stuff's not taking place. So you're ends are, are maybe defensible. But the means in this case is not through the system that is designed to handle a normal distribution of resources. Yeah. I second that. I also think the context matters it is true that seventy eight million dollars is a small amount. But when the defense of this kind of, I would say corruption is, oh, well, it's just like the small change under the sofa, first of all. I always have trouble understanding how that's really true about seventy eight million dollars which sounds like a lot of money to me. But also, then how do we prevent that from becoming a much larger sum of money and the other part about context? I mean, this is an administration in which corporate lobbyists are at the head now of the EPA, the defense department, the department of interior and the department of health and human services like this is the opposite of drain the swamp. And so when you have McConnell refusing to show any kind of shame that he's involved in this kind of not self-dealing, I guess, so. But, like Kentucky dealing for his own electoral benefit that just seems to add to this collapse of norms, and I know that, like, we know this is happening, and sometimes we tend to kind of laugh, it off, because it's so familiar. But we don't know what the medium to long-term consequences of a roading. These norms is. Well, a couple of other points about this one is contra, you, John. I actually found the times report about Chow in her family somewhat more disturbing because that is a case where she threw a series of not that bad, but still still unseemly actions did things which which seemed to help her to advantage her family in its relationship with China and to to position which those actions, do you find most unseemly, I mean, she, she tried to bring her family with her on a trade mission to China to give them special contact. She didn't actually bring them she would allow her dad apparently to do interviews and discussions with Chinese media, under the aegis of the transportation department. It also seems to be more reciprocal, which is that the Chinese government has made specific outreach efforts to her as one of the most powerful Chinese American politicians in America to just be in touch with her connect with her and. And ensure that there was a good lines of communication, which, you know, the and she just kept those lines of communication, open. There's nothing wrong with her doing that. But it turned out to then benefit her family shipping firm. But see, I found it more tenuous than that. So would I thought was useful about the politico piece is it said here was a relationship that existed with this guy from Kentucky. And here's a project that went to the specific place. This guy was from and her husband is from Kentucky. It was all it kind of was quid pro quo in the in in the top one hundred percent at times piece. It was like some of those meetings took place back in two thousand and eight one of the one of the pieces of data was back in two thousand and the underlying thing I found fuzzy was okay, what's, what's the claim here that she's helping the Chinese against Americans interests because or that she's using her position to leverage inside the Trump administration because China's not getting the best? It's getting the fuzzy end of the lollipop in terms of, of treatment by the Trump administration at the moment. So what? What? Yeah. Well, but, but I don't it seems like see. I didn't I didn't find that connection that strong. I mean, in other words, she was in her period between government. She went and was kind of a part of the company, even though she said she wasn't she went on trips and all that. Oh. That's not good. But I'm saying in terms of proving the case that it helps her government it helps it helps her parents company, which has been operating for, you know, since the sixties I didn't see anything where she did something. And then the company, which has a long established relationship in China had any new benefit accruate. Secondly, the other thing that was kinda glanced app. Wasn't brought home to me was that because she's overseas US maritime interests. It said, well, there were some cuts proposed in US maritime funding. And it seemed to be the suggestion was because she cared only about US interests who do close business through China. She's not tending American interests in the in the maritime industry. But that seemed unproved so I felt like it was a lot of tying of things together without a real ultimate claim. It seemed like the biggest go ahead. No. I, I agree that there wasn't a huge smoking gun there. It's more. The reason I found. That story more deplorable is just that it was about self-dealing. I have a conclusion, Emily drew, which is that this is about her doing things, which ultimately would benefit her family, make them rich. Whereas the work that she's doing with her husband to benefit Kentucky is not. You can say it is a Mel distribution of government resources, which should have been spent in another way, but it is not directly to benefit them financial it to benefit their reelection. Which is what that's what politicians do. They benefit their reluctance, yes, but we have a limited amount of resources, obviously, as tax payers, and you want to imagine that your state and region is getting what it should get based on some objective set of criteria, not based on whether you know, your Senator is married to the secretary of transportation like what if it's a ship? Well, let me put it this way. Let me put it this, let me put it this way is a system where that was truly fair where. People were government allocation was really made based on on policy needs that were well determined, well thought out, well, argued and conclusion in, you know, based on conclusions that, that the public agreed with would be better. That was a really fair system absent that system, which, I don't think we're anywhere near having. I think a system where politicians who are the, the allocators of that revenue. Take some portion of that revenue redistribute it to themselves or to the benefit of their particular constituents in order to show that they have power in order to show the political influence in order to be able to give a favor to somebody who can then return favor later in order to maintain party order that doesn't seem bad. That's he's okay. Do we really need to incur? No, I don't think I don't think it happens in you. We certainly don't need to incur. I think you could argue the one place you don't need to encourage it is in the office of the. Majority leader, whether it's Harry Reid or Mitch McConnell. That's when the ties his wife, well the situation in congress, you would hear Democrats and Republicans complain is that both Reid and McConnell have created a situation where all the old powers of congress, which were more evenly distributed through committee chairman and even through individual members have been just destroyed. And that the majority leader's for the larger political goals of the party, and the presidency, and all of that schedule keep an iron grip on the schedule and make it so that they basically don't vote, so they don't get a chance to do their jobs to trade, the things they need. And so that, if you were signing up for your argument, the what the last place, you would go to make sure that the greasing would take place would be in the majority leader's office because the majority leader already has extraordinary power. And, and so it doesn't need more. All right. One last question here about this. Is it better or worse? Is it more or less corrupt because they are? Are married. So if let's imagine that this, this is John, you're the Senate majority leader and Emily. You're the you're the Emily. Xiaowen the transportation, cool, you guys are friends and you guys you guys are close friends. Would it be is. It is the fact that, that they're that they're rubbing each other's backs more excusable because they're married or less excusable, because they're married. So his rubbing each bags worse than just scratching each other's back. You is right. He's the favourite you because people do favors for longtime friends, and longtime political tones in the same way, I think that if you are Elaine Chao in this situation, the benefits you of having your husband continue to get reelected at the Senate is higher than the sort of nice basking in the glow of having your friend reelected. So I think this is worse. I don't really think it matters one way or the other except that it, it is it does feel one step further removed from the system. You were describing that this distribution resources, happens through this kind of personal relationship as opposed to some other kind of relationship. It does feel further away from the way things are supposed to work, then if they were just pals slate plus members receive bonus segments on the gap vests other flight podcasts. We going to have a fascinating. Well, we haven't had it yet, but I'm predicting a fascinating discussion about the American system of government, which we are going to fix. We're going to save. We're going to secure its next two hundred and fifty years in about seven minutes, just seven minutes of discussion on slate. Plus, we're going to do that. It's going to be amazing. I got a plan, so go to sleep dot com slash gap as plus to become a member today. 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There are clear majorities controlling both chambers. And also the governor's office in most of those states to Republicans control those majorities, but plenty of them are controlled by Democrats. There are also some states where where one party controls the legislatures, and the other party does control the governor's office. But in general, if you look at state governments, they have become more partisan than they've ever been and in more partisan really in one direction. So John, how is this happened? What explains it? And, and are we stuck with it? Well, emily. Yeah. This is happening. Are we stuck with what's happened? Is that states have polarized? There are sort of competing explanations for that one that I think, is so interesting is that the rise of inequality has actually contributed to this, because Republicans are able to win seats that moderate Democrats used to hold in state legislatures. And meanwhile when Democrats hold seats, more Liberal, Democrats get into office. And so that's part of what's going on another part of the explanation, that we read about an I'm sorry. I forgotten who to credit this article, too. But with the idea that the demise of local news has contributed that when voters can't see David this relates to your theory of government. I think that when voters can't see exactly what is happening. They can't see the sausage being made up close. Then they assume that the party leadership is the way to go or actually, then I'm sorry. The representatives assume, they can just follow the party leadership because they're not as tied in and sort of accountable to their constituents and that leads them in a more polarized direction. As well. So that's how we got here. Really query whether this is a bad thing. I mean you know, part of having a system of government, somewhere in the United States should be to overcome gridlock, and like get stuff done. And if you control all the organs of state government, you get to pass laws and change policy. And if the people of your state don't like the laws that you've passed they can vote you out it, it's like heightens the contradiction. Now, I will say that I do not feel this way about actually changing the levers of power in government, so that you can't get voted out. Right. So I don't of what, you know, the Republicans have done in with haunted, North Carolina. Where are you then like strip power make the minority offense essentially just, you know diminish democracy like I do not mean to be approving of that. But the notion that you get into power in Alabama, and you pass a really strict abortion law or you what was that other like crazy thing they did castration for. For some sex chemical cracked castration for parole tuck calendar. So I think that is terrible. But I also think like it makes it clear, what's at stake in Alabama. And similarly in Illinois, if the Democrats are doing things that, the electorate thinks are off the charts they can vote them out of office. But at least like some things happen with the argument would be that part of the answer to the original question is that this system, works because of the because of changing district lines and things people do once they're in power to keep themselves and their party in power, which then makes it harder for the voters to throw them out. Yeah. Yes, my theory, my theory is premised on the notion that it is actually possible for a majority of voters to change the government, if they don't like it back goes away, then like I'm out. And I think the things that, that make that hard to go away are one setting the rules up so that you keep incumbents getting reelected. And that's both by the district's the way they're drawn. But then it's also just by the money, the process, you can raise more. If you're an comments the benefits that accrue to incumbents, but I think also the version of democracy you're talking about it. Feels like the answer to this is the nationalization has come to the local level, which is the problems, we have in the national conversation are that there is no one set of common facts gatekeepers, at the national level, whether it's politicians or the news media have been diminished in stature, so they can't call balls and strikes. And the way they used to be able to so information that voters would need to gather to vote somebody in or out is completely a free for all. It's a circus in which you can't agree upon a set of facts, and come to a common conclusion, you also have party organizations. Republicans really pushed for this and half of the last twenty years to build power at the local level, and they did it using what we've seen at the national level, which is hot button. Red meat issues through the use of micro targeting to find somebody and say, look, what you need to be. Focused on for the next seven months until the election is how, and then fill in the blank, whatever the thing is that gets the most exercise, whether it's second amendment rights or abortion or marijuana legalization and you keep being fed a constant diet of emotional information to sway, your vote to one party or another. So it's not actually the election, if they ever were done this way, and there's debate the election is not into Judaization of public ideas where, you know, the best man wins or the best woman wins and her argument and that all of those techniques, which are meant to keep us constantly polarized, and we're polarizing ourselves through the people. We choose to live next to in the culture, choices we make. So we're no longer in contact with other people, which means our votes and our voting process is much more silo than polarized. So I think all of those things are happening at the local of us. They are at the national level, right? I would go back to just to align myself with your point, Emily, which this is not the same crisis though that we have at the national level because of the national. What we have is, is effectively, fifty fifty government and minority veto power over a lot of stuff and paralysis, because the legislature is not capable of acting whereas at the state level, we have legislatures, which are very much capable of acting governors who are eager to act with them. And so we're getting a ton of activity, and I tend to agree with you. That, that getting stuff done, even if it's majoritarian bullying that getting stuff done is better than not getting stuff done. Because there is at least the public has a chance to experience it and to respond and, and that, that their that their stakes in congress is a huge amount of discussion and very little done and the state legislatures. There's not that much discussion but a lot done. And then the citizens have a chance if the system has not been tilted too badly. A chance to actually vote on it. What I wonder is, is, given, though, that you both identified this problem, which is. That if you can adjust the laws that you don't ever have to lose power. That if you can make yourself a permanent majority, both because the demographics favor you and because you change the rules. So that you're, you're locked in what hope is there. What forces of possible moderation and resistance and, and compromise can there be in states where where there's a permanent majority, and it's set the rules, so that it will always be permanent majority that reminds me of kind of like, what it used to be like, in communist countries where they're basically it's one party. There's a party. And they that's who decides everything. Find this the most discouraging scary trend in American democracy. Right now, the site DEA that you're inter having this entrenchment of minority power, and I do not mean the word minority and the way it's so see with people of color. I mean, political minority or majority pope, but also it's sorry to interrupt. But we're talking about majority power that then is used to make sure that when you're the minority you the same people stay in office. And it's really hard to get you out. It just seems deeply problematic to me. So, and then what you the answer to that is if it really gets imbalanced, you have some kind of revolution. Like you have a revolt, and people stand up, and they fix this except that you mentioned, the example of communism. We have a domestic example, which is that for many years in this country before one person. One vote came down from the supreme court in the nineteen sixties in the case Baker versus car. We had a system of incredibly unequal. Presentation, where people literally like you had hundreds of people who had a Representative in small towns in my state of Connecticut, and you had tens of thousands, who had one Representative in cities, and it really lasted for a long time. In this way that I find really dismaying because it suggests that people there's a disconnect, like people don't quite see the degree to which they are not fairly allowed to have expressed. There are political preference in small amount of power in their system, and they will put up with it for a really long time. And there were sentiments will be able to be channeled in other directions, usually against other people of their class, in a way that is like, really dismaying to me. I find that history, I don't know what to do with that. She speaks the truth. I think the only other thing other than revolution. So if you deny people, their rights and set up a system that may. Makes them feel permanently shut out of the process, they responded through through revolution or through, you know, dangerous and extreme act. The other is that it somehow and I'm trying to think of how this would work at the at the local level at the national level, you have, you know, a massive recession, or that the, the ever encroaching corruptibility of power that it's very hard to retain control of these institutions for a long time without becoming corrupt, and that we saw this Democrats in the house that got bounced out in nineteen ninety four after forty years of rule, in part, because people got fed up with the fact that Democrats were, you know, treating their power wantonly or your responsibly. So you can have revolutions at the ballot box, but I I'm that's the edge of my understanding, because I, I haven't thought through at the local level the constraints that make that harder to do I because I know what they are can guess what they would be. National level. But I'm not sure at the local level where there might not be different ones. I wonder this is not a really remedy for the political problem. But I, I guess, I would I would implore there any partisan state legislators and, and, and extreme governors listening to the GATT fast as I'm sure there are many is even if you choose not to fix the political system, which allows you entrance power. I think a lot of what makes people have faith in government, and faith in their local government, and state government is a sense that they that the government is basically accountable, that it follows rules that it's efficient that it's a fair, the government will will act effectively and pretty fairly and not be grotesque. I mean, the, the overall laws, maybe tilted in a direction, but that basically, you know, when you are going to small claims court small claims court will work. And if you are, you know when you call the police. The police will come no matter who you are. And so, I would just say, like, like please, if you're going to run your hyper partisan state, at least try to have services allocated in totally fair, fair and efficient ways pick up the garbage and, yeah, just just don't just don't treat citizens, differently depending on who they are politically, and that, at least that will keep keep some level of faith in the system so that maybe one day, we can when we do get around to fixing the politics piece of it people have not completely abandoned the belief that government is ineffective, actor, just one other final small point, which is that I like those states where you have a governor on one side and legislature on the other. It goes, that's what we need Maryland has that Massachusetts has. North carolina. I think has that. Just there's balance forced compromised by system. Balance tonight at government back to this middle that most people are basically content with. What about when you need more dramatic? I don't know. I don't know. 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You're getting radicalized by rabbit hole conspiracy theories that are fed to them, by the platforms, again, especially by YouTube, so we're being fed, a diet of poison and muck and lies by platforms, which are themselves designed essentially to addict us designed to compel engagement by engagement. They mean more and more time spent on it. Even when engagement means showing people or telling. People more and more out, lout, outlandish, and more and more vile things making us worse people. But and more worked up people, but yet we're more engaged with the that technology. More angry more susceptible to lies. It's all it all seems bad. So what do we do with that? Well, so I saw that. I'm gonna take a little break. You saw sure how to to solve it. But I, I'd like to spend one more beat on just what this is exactly doing. So the, the both investigations by the New York Times, and the Wall Street Journal found that with YouTube that the what happens is you go to search for something relatively benign, and that the algorithm that suggests other content to, you gets increasingly more severe and on the extremes of whatever your initial query was, and this is because to your point David that it's a it's a model built on engagement, and the people who are longest engaged spend the most time with the videos, click the most are the ones. Then shape what other people are offered in the political context in which this happens. A former YouTube programmer name Guillaume chess lot. I have no idea if I'm pushing that name did a study after the two thousand sixteen election and found that when you searched for Donald Trump. The, the recommended other videos, were generally pro-trump when you searched for Hillary Clinton, generally, what you got in your responses, we're all anti Clinton, this was because the engagement of Trump watching YouTubers was influencing anybody who might come who was, you know, honestly, trying to figure out which candidate they might be interested in looking for information. So that's the one political way, which you can be a problem. The second way, is that it basically feeds this notion built on and Tim Wu wrote a book about this called the attention merchants built on this idea that basically, they're doing whatever they can to maximize attention for you. And also in maximizing the attention allow you to take your own path. Breath and essentially continue, self-gratification, which is pleasing things that confirm your existing views, or that excite your imagination, and your emotions, which is pleasing for some people, and why they do this, and that all of these this rabbit, holing is to keep you online longer. Well, that, of course, distracts us just at a basic level, but it also overwhelmingly pollutes, the general sturdiness of facts, and, or traditional institutions that have tried their best to keep the facts kind of in the middle of the table. It makes it very hard to think that we can ever have a public debate about something that isn't just basically hugely corrupted Phil. I just wanna make the point that the problem is not the algorithms like the algorithms are a tool. They are certainly part of what is going wrong. But the problem is that these platforms are driven by profit seeking motives, and they have one. Goal which is to get you to spend more time and to make more money. And it turns out that the best way to do that is too often lead, people down a path that is like bad for their brains. And we don't have a good way of decoupling those two things because these are for profit companies, and we are terrified for some good reasons about trying to regulate their efforts to regulate speech, but the to the extent that the algorithms are designed to further the. The purposes you just outlined. They are the problem. I mean they, they because they're the tools you can have a good algorithm about algorithm. The reason the algorithms are doing nefarious things is that the underlying motivation, the way they're being programmed driven by making money, and making money in this situation turns out to have, like, really problematic effects. Sorry, emily. I just saw. I understand it. What you're saying is. But, but doesn't that suggest that inevitably insofar as we are trying to maximum insofar as any of these platforms is trying to maximize engagement and thus maximize revenue, it will end up being a charnel house because human nature is terrible. Yes. There are lots of contexts in which when we face that problem with corporations, we then rain them in right? And we regulate them, and we set rules, so that, like, we're well, we're remember how we have like worker safety health codes like all the things we do so that corporations can't, like child labor laws like they're all kinds of limits. We put on the market so that the market is not just this like completely unchecked. Unfettered force that can race the bottom. And in this, this context of these technology platforms. We have had very, very little regulation. Right. Only did that on purpose, especially in the United States. We are trying to build this internet. We were trying to make sure that these companies were allowed to innovate without worrying about having to take down lots of problematic speech. Right. Like we didn't want them to play that role except oh, by the way, we do have them take down things or copyrighted. But in, in creating that world like we now have this relatively unregulated. Rated incredibly huge operation going on these sets of platforms. And I just got to say like you, Google owns YouTube. And so part of the story to is that, when you don't even realize this, but when you Google videos, it's almost always a YouTube link that comes up. And so that's another way in which the huge scale and affective, like, vertical monopoly quality of these companies is affecting our viewing habits the questions, whether they have a different response, whether they have a responsibility, that goes beyond maximizing profit, and that goes back to your point that answers, David's original question, which is, how do you fix this? Which is some people call for algorithm transparency and other words, published, how your algorithm is, is giving me suggestions, so that we can at least know whether it's doing it to maximize engagement or has some other maybe I'll have to pay really attention shore. That's a huge problem. We obviously don't pay attention to lots and lots of things, and obviously, it will be in the country company's interest to. Make the algorithm explanation. Is confusing as possible to keep the attention low to that. And we also know that's what's true. And private is true in public, which is in private to do your best work, you need to be focused and engaged for long, periods of time where you have a state of flow, and not interruption. Well, that's not totally on unanalogous to the public square, where you need hard focused work to solve our biggest problems, and collective work. Not work, where we're all atomised and spread all over the place because we're chasing a rabbit hole about whether Saturn is really made of Gouda cheese. When we all know that it's Kim unbear-, but the. The question is, whether you could through regulation or social pressure change the algorithm. So that it served up what, so I'm searching for, you know, climate change, and, and what would the most sort of benevolent algorithm, serve me? But I don't know. Maybe you have rules that actually it doesn't keep just automatically loading the next video. Right. You could also limit it that way. I'm not sure what the answer is, I think the problem is like a really serious problem because regulating speech is very hard to do. And so there were good reasons. Why in the United States, we've been so reluctant to do that? It's just that now we've created this behemoth that is having all these throw off affects and like it is past time. And if we don't regulate the speech than we have given the companies even more power because they're the ones choosing and making exactly the decisions you're talking about. And we know. That they don't do it. Well, of course, they don't do it. Well, it's not in their interest, and they are for profit companies, they do not have like any sort of public good in their hearts. That's not what they were designed to, to do. So I agree with you, Emily actually, I think where you were going to little bit in response to John's John asking is can you have the, the nice algorithm? And actually think it is. It's more fundamental. It's that, that these platforms intrinsically create addiction, they create laziness and receptivity, physical and action short attention spans, and that, just the nature of them is, is itself, damaging, and so you could certainly you can ameliorate. You can do you can do little things on the margins to make it more positive and watch videos of Susan Boyle, which is what I watch on YouTube, but it doesn't fix the fundamental problem with it. I guess question I would have TV and radio, right. Like. Here's, here's what here's a here's my question, actually. Yeah. Well, I do have a moral panic about it. Here's my question which is can you guys? And, and I haven't this is a question I've just popped into my head, so I haven't given any thoughts of think about it. Or show ideas, can you think of any given any? Smokin. Can you think of can you think of any example of one of these technologies, whether it be a platform, whether it be a company, whether it be some habit that we have that developed becau- in this internet age, which is goes in the other direction with cuts in the other direction, which creates. Connection human connection warmth, comedy community, and, and depth that people use, or the personal any lit about when you have a nice slack channel at work or like a good community list-serve that actually like works in a good way. I mean those things exist. Slack channels. Like. Tunes. Slack channels, aren't no there. They were created by the Russian. Now this there. They're not slack channels are very dangerous. Got that good community. List-serve good community list. Serves are good. And by the way, I mean, the, the larger benefit of I mean there were I don't know whether these things still well, one thing is true. We know that people from marginalized in from marginalized communities, or who have who feel like they are all alone in the world can find people of like minds and like interest who wear it in the most benevolent ways creates a community where you thought that there was no community, and where you are all alone. So that has been when beneficial the voices of the marginalized, in the political context that have led to revolutions, and that we're part of, you know, the Arab spring were great for a while until the autocrats authoritarians learned that actually, you can use all of this information better to create false information and the pa-. I mean, the psychological studies you've been around. Since the seventies on the power of information that lodges in your brain wants something lodges in your brain. Even when you're told that it is totally wrong. The fact that the false thing took residents. I makes it very hard. The illusory truth effect that's called to kick it out of your brain. And that, while there is an upper boundary of plausibility, you know, that upper boundary of implausibility is, is very hard to reach. I mean one thing that this makes me think about is we've gone from the celebration of the connecting over the internet. That was part of the Arab spring to a situation where countries during elections or right before them shut down the internet. So that lies and disinformation will not just absolutely destroy their efforts at democracy. Right. That was, yes. Put up with that on the refrigerator. That was well said support for the first comes from Pitney Bowes don't waste anymore time waiting in line to send letters and packages of any. Confusion about finding the best postal rates for your business with Sen. pro online from Pitney Bowes. You can send packages and mail without leaving your office. Right from your desk for as low as four ninety nine a month. Just click send and save with this new offer for send pro online started only four ninety nine a month. You can print shipping. 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What will you then chatter about once you've turned that, that alcohol into a drink for yourself, Emily? I am really interested in a story that just came out in wire, or maybe as just about to come out by Christine Peterman. I hope I'm saying her name. Right. It's about the prosecution of back page and it I'm not sure what I think about this. Honestly, I really am not. Sure. But. This is the government's decision to prosecute these two men who owned back page for a life. They were in my world for really. Oh, because it's city paper. Interesting, though. I mean they were they were connected yet. They were the big guns in that industry anyway. Sorry, interrupting destroyed parts of it. But in any case, along the way they bought the village voice, they were the big all we folks, and one of their main money-making activities was back page. And so the bad part of back page is that there was traffic gang going on him back page to some degree. But there was also a lot of consensual sex work advertising, which sex workers found useful way of vetting people and also just like selling consensual sex work, and the most interesting thing to me is the government in prosecuting Lacey and Larkin is arguing that their efforts to clean up the site actually just hid all the really bad various things that were going on. So what they as back page was coming under fire. The people actually dealing with these ads coming in. We're trying to take out certain like terrible words like Lalita. They were trying to make it a place where there weren't these trafficking dangerous. Horrible signals going on. And then the government came along and said, basically, look, we've just sanitized this marketplace and is still is really evil. So I just I don't know what to think about that. It's all really interesting. Anyway, you should read Christine's piece in wired. It's very thought provoking. That's my chatter. John with cheddar chatter is a felt that at a distance of two hundred fifty miles, John sort of removed a large, maybe dusty volume and opened it to page three hundred sixty eight and was preparing there was, I think this could be a long long. It's long, but not in its long only. It's long were joy -able way than my normal Chatters. I think I hope anyway. This is something that Meredith frost posted on Twitter. She's, she's great divall. She always has fab fascinating little quirky things like this, this is Chuck Jones's rules for writing the roadrunner and Wylie Coyote cartoons. So. So this was going to be our listener chatter. Oh, this is going to be the listening. Yeah. I go. Nope. Bring it rule. Number one, bring it. It's so great, okay? Now that we've ruined expectations. Anyway, rule number one the roadrunner cannot harm the Coyote, except by going beep. Beep rule. Number two, no outside force can harm the Coyote only his own ineptitude or the failure of the acme products rule. Number three, the Coyote could stop anytime if he were not a fanatic repeat a fanatic is one who redoubles his effort when he has forgotten his name. That's a quote from George Santayana rule number four, no dialogue ever. Accept beep. Beep, roll number five, the roadrunner must stay on the road, otherwise logically, he would not be called roadrunner rule. Six all action. Must be confined to the natural environment of the two characters the southwest American desert rule number seven all materials tools weapons or mechanical conveniences must be obtained from the acme 'corporate. Nation. Rule number eight whenever possible make gravity that coyotes greatest enemy rule number nine the Coyote is always more humiliated than harmed by his failures. So I just want to say that is why hate this show so much. I never understood the cartoon ever. It just was like an exercise in dismay and horror and upset for the poor. Coyote. It was incredibly boring. The road runner is totally smug, and the acne part of it's weird. And, like, of course, it was constrained in precisely these ways I found it mystifying as a kid why they would stop Bugs Bunny to show us, the road right around the Coyote, wait, John. Did you skip? The I have a real number ten. Oh my God. No doesn't per Emily. Emily said real number ten the audience's sympathy must remain with the Coyote. But then why do you want to watch it? It's excruciating. I just excruciating and boring. Do you guys like that show? A hey. Hated that show is a kid. Well, I, I liked it in the way I like some musicians, which is one of their songs is fantastic. A whole album. There is no like her. Road runner you. They're all totally interchangeable and the same. Well, you're. Favorite road runner skit. That's bullshit. You have not. I mean, I can't remember the road runs at a computer. He's at a computer doing nothing. Remember that one? The road. There is no computer, no sorry. The Coyote ordering something. Like Tom, Jerry. But I hated the road runner Bugs Bunny. I just like if I just I just like these, these rules feel very comforting to me, and I think that they should be taken outside of the cartoon context and somehow applied to our daily lives. All right, my chatter, I've to one of which needs your help listeners. So listen for that second one my first one is just a point you to the my favorite thing that I read this week, which is in the New York Times, and it is the story of Agatha Christie's disability, I tried to posted on my phone wasn't working. I'm so glad you reminded me so on a December night in nineteen twenty six Agatha Christie are ready, maybe not the most famous mystery writer in the world, but one of the most famous mystery writers in the world vanished, she disappeared her car with found abandoned in a lonely place. There was a. A search party, the total fifteen thousand people that went looking for her, and they found not a trace of her, and then she turned up eleven days later at a spa registered under a different name. In fact, the name of a young woman who is a friend of her husbands. And the, you know, public attention waned, and what happened. So the New York Times this week, chronicles her disappearance, basically, using contemporaneous newspaper accounts. The, the stories told by looking at newspaper stories for the time it is sublime, it is so much fun. It's gonna be a movie. It's going to be a mini series. It's I can't believe I never heard the story before. It's great. It's you know there's the mystery. Isn't that amazing? But it's, it's just so much fun. I strongly recommend second thing is I need some advice from or some recommendation from some people probably in Washington DC, which is that I find myself with unexpectedly with a little bit of free time. And then coming few months, and I am looking for a useful and highly phys. Michael way to spend some time like I. So I I've gotten out of the habit of volunteering I've gotten out of the habit of doing sort of doing things that aren't the things that I've been doing and I have this yen for it. So if you are somebody who has a farm that needs someone harvest on it or a, you need someone to need, though, for you or carry things for old, ladies, I am looking for something with some human connection, maybe not too much, but it's very physical. I'm not trying to make money. So I realize it's a strange request. But I was like, who better would know this than gaffe listeners? So if you dear listener are in Washington, you're like, oh, plot should do that. Let me know it's like take David gets me. Well week. Yeah, it's like yeah. No. But it's basically I've like I would like to be, you know, like to carry things or lift things or just like sweat a lot. 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Fast Money 12/20/19

"Asia remains the fastest growing region in the world and will wake up two thirds of Global middle-class consumption by the year twenty fifty at Matthews Asia. We've been investing testing in Asia for over twenty five years and our mission is to champion Asia focused investment solutions that may profit from this growth and build wealth for our global clients over with a long-term find out what a dedicated allocation to Asia cannot to your portfolio at Matthews Asia Dot com slash opportunity glide for the Nasdaq market side overlooking guest at Times Square. We haven't moved. This is fast money. I'm Brian Sullivan Infant. Melissa once again Tim Hi. You're traders on the deaths. That are that guy. Tim You see more Carter. Were Steve Grasso and Mr Guy. Adopting tonight on fast. It has been another no good. Very bad week for Boeing and now rumblings at the seven thirty seven Max could be out of service until summer. We'll talk about the impact on the stock straight ahead. Plus ripple makes a splash the jaw dropping valuation crypto Company. But he just locked in. Thanks for getting. It's no checkout. This mystery chart it had been sitting out the Dow seemingly unending run this year but Chart Mastercard Award thinks. That's about how `bout to change. What is that chart? Send in your guesses as well a lot to do but we start once again with guest new records more records on Wall Street stocks. Really an uncharted territory. Nearly every single day now the S. and P. Five hundred closing out its best week since early September and fun fact. Today was the the biggest volume day of the year top quadruple. which are you go but things can be a little scary at the top? You're all making money your counselor going up your question. Question probably is that you're asking yourself and US. How do I position myself as we enter the final trading days of the year and next year when guy? It's not just about this year. It's been a heck back of an eight nine year. Run A lot of people probably thinking. Do I need to protect myself a bit. Because we've and our portfolio has done very well so she can say that an hi. Hi Brian. Hi Guy Tim Hi. How are you sir? Good friend if I think for a long time earlier this decade. That's what people did. They bought protection and they said you know what why it expires worthless every time. All the market does this go up. Then they stopped and then they got really creative and they started selling options which CBW can talk about with the great written Nathan. Who by the way tonight at five thirty s Dan? Nathan's last appearance on options action. I WANNA get that out there now. He's keeping his open. Is that what's going on. See what you did there. But not on fast money. He'll be with with the vicks at twelve twelve and a half. It makes perfect sense because all the concerns I've had clearly early incorrectly are still out there. But what has worked and what we have talked about. Healthcare continues to crush biotech contingents. Do well some of these retail names have have been amazing trading stocks. Like macy's like Nordstroms and I think I think tim would agree with this. Energy has very quietly over the last two and a half three months made a decent move higher fire. It was another interesting week for central banks. And you know we talked briefly yesterday about how the Rix back in Sweden and don't get too caught up in that rates are moving higher global central banks our Federal Title Reserve Arts deciding whether zero straight policy. Nerpa whatever you want to say is working. That's actually something that should concern equity markets but probably not here except except for the fact that this movement equity markets is taken positioning going into year end to the complete polar opposite of where we were almost one year to the day. So if you look at greed reading fear index. If you look at the a I will bear spread whatever you wanna read it's almost diametrically opposite of what it was last year that should concern you in the same way. It set things up last year and I realized no one was jumping in on deck. Twenty Four. Saying it's GONNA go up and we're going to have a two thousand nineteen that we did but we did and I think you have to be cautious about opposition but Carter would you know I am not trying to knock on macy's not gonNA gas companies but tim mentioned them as leaders. Do we have to worry. This is kind of a low quality already stock rally. It's tough to call one stock a leader after dropping for three and four years or a sector. But what we do know is that you have ketchup. Trades always the markets and I think the momentum high people double back try to find something that's lagged. Play it so. These are more sort of catch trading our leaders. But is it. Because you think Steve they believe leave. Investors believe in those names or it's hey they're down the markets run lead. We've had this show saying how do you position yourself over positioning too. Huby short for trade for the Fed and have the catch trade going into the end of the year. Q one is going to be a hell of a time to lay the shorts out again. Potentially actually it's going to depend on estimates guidance and where all of those analysts that called for a earnings recession might ratchet up estimates amidst too high and then estimates fall. Short guys saw thought of you. This morning I'm sure you did. Why was the morning because I saw Chart that I thought I had all over the expansion of the Federal Reserve Balance Sheet by three and a half trillion dollars the last few months. I mean an incredibly audibly steep and rapid expansion to that balance sheet obviously it injection of liquidity into this market and if that doesn't continue which it it it can't at some point can the market continue well I I was not here on a believable. It's Wednesday but I think he had the great north main trade on then if I recall and you had this exact conversation and we met. He's going to be right he's going to be right one day he he's right more than he's wrong but that's another conversation but I'll say this. I don't think it can continue. I mean the the fact that we've grown to bounce the Fed the fastest it's grown in a decade meaning certain point it's unsustainable or the market's going to call them out or the markets to say wait a second. What are you seeing that we don't see what is your concern so clearly? That's been a huge catalysts that September. I just don't know how not seeing though Brian. What are they not see? They're not seeing seeing inflation. I know that you could point out where inflation is in certain aspects of the economy but the Fed is not seeing inflation and that's why the rate cuts were we're more appropriate and now they're using the balance sheet they don't have enough ammo with cuts alone and that's why you see the balance sheet being but how much my point in pointing out to the viewers yours which they all know. We got the smartest viewers in the world out. There is that this has got to be at least not maybe not all but a part of this market run. The last ninety days ace is and we none the wiser for what central banks can do next year nor are they and if you look at what the last twenty one sessions you can actually see the change in the curve. The steepest that's gone on the way that the long is finally bounced off a very important level in other words bonds have been selling off enough. We've been hearing about foreign selling of central bank foreign central banks thank selling of US treasuries again. It's not panic time. It's not run away. I don't think yields are going to get away from us but I do think that what we're all talking about is a market. That's had the Euphoria Korea of Central Bank and the turbo charge of the last six weeks or two months is been beyond something that we could have expected especially when the Fed was supposed to be getting out of the way until the middle. They're not getting out of the way. And I'm GonNa you know my heart seeing. You guys is two sizes too big and I'm GonNa play the ranch okay. Because January thirty first and January or January thirtieth or whatever never December thirtieth and January second three hundred and twenty billion dollars. Being injected into the New York Fed for the repo market. Is that something we need to worry about. I know we keep keep bringing it up and it is a broken clock is right twice a day but everything was Hunky Dory of course. Why are we doing this? There's an expression the fix is in and so you call it what you want. But they're taking measures in some form or fashion and usually when you're taking measures something's not right but why do this and I just I don't know and this the scary because if the Fed the Fed has to react is NATO pollock move. We've had but there were too nervous in September the over. It may be they overreacted. We don't we don't know they saw something in the repo market and they wanted to shoot first and then figuring out but it was September. They were worried October. They took action and so I think that they they might have overshot but I think they wanted to calm everything so that no one because people were getting worried about that report but did you remember the sort of infants. It's now mnuchin letter where he's like over the weekend. I spoke to the banks. Everything's fine like why speak. Why are we speaking of the banks? What do we? What do we need to know about here? I kind of liked that repo market thing is the the same way and I don't think we've ever really been told as to what are the stresses within the system. But but but again even if you're an equity investor at this point and we talk a lot about how sometimes the credit markets seem to have an edge on the equity markets. It's telling you that you had a free ride for the last two months and you have to be careful about that. Okay so Carter Worth. Let's talk talk about this mystery. Fix Two X.'s. Great Band and one thing does lead to another. And so we'd like to talk to you what you could swing the fall based upon this beach. Let's go to the mystery chart. It's actually do two versions. We're GONNA do one on your chart of the mystery chart and we're going to do a one decade chart of the mystery charts so here is the one year chart and it is a mystery chart and let's look at next slide. Here is the ten year chart of the mystery chart and before we sort of figure out what it is since all of you on the desk refer to win rely on charts on a regular basis. What do you think of this tenure chart? Well throwing it out. That's a ten year. Who is that? It's pretty nice. It's beautiful and I would say it's a beautiful beautiful looking chart lower equity right. I actually don't know what it I have. No idea it's an equity right. It's a stock so it's very relevant to what we were just talking about. And it actually is the best performing sector this week. Go figure with rates moving aggressively aggressively higher. Xl off its xl you. That's really really really well utilities. And I think that's an important message. Meaning their parts of the market. That don't buy into everything's Okay Message Carter but if utilities are outperforming a lot of the argument was they were certainly outperforming. Because we're in a low yield holden virement so if rates stay here I get it Do you think this is telling us where bond yields you're going this ultimate going to say we're not getting inflation. We're not going to go back to. The Fed has is to be concerned about the issue on. I think you've touched on exactly meaning if we really on the cusp of something sort of aggressive to the upside in yields globally I'd calling us but all these negative yields going to positive or at least close to it. You would not get this kind of action out of utilities. And even frankly gold so there's parts of the sort would've asset complex that are calling out the so-called notion that rates are going meaningfully. Higher Carter once you come on back to the desk. And let's trade this or that. The utilities have been a spectacular play. Obviously Guy Donnie. I mean I'm old enough to remember when utilities were place. You if you're afraid for other things you went into the utilities utility's regulated business slow to know growth you just one of the cash flow then you lovely. They become this wealth creator makes them wonder when a CON Edison is up percent on a day. They like today. It's it's off. Its all time highs but not that much off ridiculous valuation for that kind of company. But Carter's point I mean here's a decent day in the marconnet percent. The percentage doesn't make a lot of sense. He'll tees up. I mean listen I. I'm with Carter on this when I'm probably one of the few people who think rates are headed back lower but we'll see how it plays up what's interesting thing is we've seen during periods of risk aggression that actually utilities. Haven't been a place to hide. Especially because they've been an short-run That Carter Chart show that eventually you get back into that trade and maybe there's a bottom end of a channel final but but because they've been so defensive they're not terribly defensive even on at least the first part of those worst days what I would say about other places though that are interesting that would certainly counter that trade trade and the jury's still out but talking about transports and thinking about the pressure on the transports that come from Fedex. And even a Boeing in the fact that the transport still are trying to break out even with those two headwinds. There's one company Duke Energy. It's five percent this year. The restaurant twenty thirty even forty percent Duke has a dividend yield of four point. One seven one percent are obviously pushing the yield out there to bring investors in. It hasn't participated any reason to maybe it's sort of a top four in the xl you. It's about seven percent waiting within the XL. You push back on that a little bit because utilities can pass on you need light you. I need everything that they supply even when rates rise so it has been defensive and I think there's a lot of things to be defensive about within the market but I don't think you should read it anything further then rates and we still buy them here. Carter do we charge the and the short-term hasn't yet you I think you're breaking out right now and the fact that you're up number one sector on the week rates really punched almost a two percent. There's any anybody putting you on the spot. Eighty seven but in a half and Duke Energy is very interesting bottomed out. There recently made a similar bottom. I think six or seven months ago you trade against that and great words of a great movie Brian. It was in fact the Dukes you recall was that do Zouk Real Randolph. And Mortimer if I believe that was Eddie Murphy. At at the time we are just getting started here on fast money careers. Maybe finishing up up next Boeing hitting another major headwind but the stock is still in holding. And it's a little bit of green for the year. We're going to find out what might be. In store for Boeing. The most important stock in the Dow heading into next year and later call it the ripple effect the Crypto spiking today. Hey we're gonNA tell you what's behind the move and what's been tough years. Always live for the Nasdaq market site. More fast money right after this Asia remains the fastest growing region in the world and will wake up two thirds of global middle-class consumption by the year twenty fifty at Matthews Asia. We've have been investing in Asia for over twenty five years and our mission is to champion Asia focused investment solutions that may profit from this growth and build wealth for our global clients Over the long term find out what a dedicated allocation to Asia can add to your portfolio at Matthews Asia Dot com slash opportunity. Welcome back to fast money. We've got another news alert on billing transportation secretary. Elaine Chao saying the White House is not pressuring regulators to unground the 737 Max in an interview with Reuters Chow said that economic issues will not be a factor in the decision vision to unground that airplane. That news just crossing right now. All right let's get Philibeaux. WHO's got more not only probably on this? But also more on Boeing and general out of Chicago PHILP and Brian just to play off. What you were talking about? There has been this theory floating around. I would say mainly for the last three or four days. People and I've heard from people who have emailed L. ME and said is there any chance that Boeing suspended Max production so they could get the White House. Say Look you're going to hurt the GDP you're going to hurt the economy to me. Looks eventually these people might have to be laid off. And I heard no indication of that from people at the EPA. I've gotten zero indication that there is is the idea that the White House is pressuring them. None at all so this plays into that with Elaine Chao saying that economic factors will have no bearing on the decision of whether or not to ground or ground. The seven thirty seven Max. We want to talk about how many cancellations that we've seen because united was out today. There's a big number for you Brian. Are you ready for a hundred and forty five thousand. That's how many U s seven thirty seven Max. Flights have been cancelled if you go from March thirteenth. You've won the grounding started all the way through when we expect the Max to be grounded for in the spring of next year united out today is the latest and yet it's interesting with united because while American and South West have said. We're GONNA take it off the scheduled till early April united. Said you know what we're GonNa do it until June fourth. That's when we plan planned to fly the plane again so if you're keeping score you've got American in South West planning to bring it back in early April and then you've got united saying we're going to bring it back in June June. There's always the chance guys that this plane gets recertified faster than expected. They could bring the plane back a little bit sooner but as of right now. Those are the latest plans and just a reminder minders you take a look at shares of Boeing production on the seven three seven Max will be halted probably early January. They don't have an exact date right. Now there's a few planes that are still in process as they worked those through In Finnish building those Brian. But that's when we will see production halt in January and you wonder how they're getting those dates those airlines in June's this April that I mean nobody really knows it could be in the summer and more can add to that hundred and forty five thousand number for canceled Flights Philip. Thank you very much agree. Friday a lot of work this week have a great weekend Phil. Thank you very much. So guys bowing down thirteen percent. This quarter at this rate is gonNA join three others. One of four Dow stocks dental before that are down down on the year tragedy on it looks like investors are starting to give up on the stuff. It's the tragedy happened. Went October eighteen and then after that it was march march of two thousand nine hundred has been going on for some time. Now and Boeing has been hanging onto a prophet year today. Now it's up about one percent or so probably going to go negative. I get it I get it. That should be somewhat safe but I think you want to avoid it now. There's so many layers to the story but what it is bullish for our the airlines. I'm a long spirit airlines. Save you take you take supply off the market and it helps the airlines. There's been a couple of upgrades in the airline space as well save is where I'm law agree. I agree with Steve. The unintended consequences of this are actually more supply discipline out of airlines. But but to be clear Boeing's been aside way stock for twenty one months. I mean even before this issue shoe. This was a company that people were wrestling with evaluation. So I I don't think that this announcement of course they cancel. Of course. That's the number. Of course. United is running for cover and Cya for them because they were so off-side unlike Delta. Who didn't have this kind of exposure? That doesn't sit. Well listen the. The analysts community has a three hundred eighty six dollar average price targets target sixty dollars above where the stock is down. One of two things. You've got to happen to stocks. Got To recover. The analysts community is GONNA lose downgrade and start cutting short-term the tragedy notwithstanding in the short term or two year underperformance notwithstanding. Where is this going to be thirty six months out if one sort of long term and I think everyone knows it? It's going to be hard you you think so. You're that confidence sure. Okay for the latest on Boeing's Max grounding head over to our website. CNBC DOT com. Here's TV so here's what's coming up back remember ripple the company behind the struggling excerpt crypto currencies. You believe how much it's worth now plus US tonight on options action. Why Apple's record run has one trader peeling cautious the trade? He's putting on to protect himself. We've got those stories as a lot more when returns to fast money. Take a look at this. It is eh big time move in X.. Are Pete Today. Basically the parent company of ripple the crypto shooting higher after blockchain startup got an eye popping Valuation Commission K.. Rooney's out in San Francisco with details. When they sent me the story? I said well cates screwed up at can't be billion it's got to be million. What right and you're you're reading it right? So ripple announced a two hundred million dollar funding round today and that money is not in crypto throw currency the new cash injection brims valuation to ten billion dollars making it one of the most valuable private startups in Silicon Valley but akin the lifeblood of its business has been tanking ripple as a majority owner of crypto currency extra pay and sells it every corner to help fund the business rip losses extra earn pay as a so called bridge currency for cross-border transactions expire P. had skyrocketed alongside bitcoin two years ago. It's now down roughly fifty percent this year well. BITCOIN has actually rallied. Eighty percent ripples main business is a cross border payments system built on blockchain. That's used to send money around. The World Syrup says it now has three hundred customers globally and deals with money. Graham Santander an American Express Brian. That's good story. It's a big one. Kate Rooney out in San Francisco. Thank you very much. So let's put that ten billion dollar valuation into perspective. Shall we gentlemen who do it. It is bigger than the market caps of bed. Bath and beyond World Pool and plan. It fits so does ripple really belong in the ten billion dollar club guide on me. I don't think so but I'm this is not my skating. Skating Rink Fort ovals not my forte. It's for the market decides. Hey I don't decide. That's off the market as they said you know. Remember the movie coming to America. Is Mommy mcclay. I'm quantum clay will if it's worth ten billion to them it's worth ten billion to me is that makes sense. It's this is there some of this Carter in all seriousness where you see these kind of valuations listen. I don't understand there. Must Somebody understands something that I don't understand. We don't understand but you're seeing says so much money thrown at these companies. Then you look at Uber and all these others that are having trouble what does it tell you about a macro market. It's the nature of something that's unknown a new. The dream can sort of be big right and then at some point the child has grown and the dream is con personal. You want to get out of CAL. Floyd I know you're right But the point is that that's the nature of anything that's you can put any devaluation on it right. And that's what people do but one has to prove itself. Things can go very badly the crypto currency. especially as you get into second and third turn. Because he's been twenty one days to Sunday. The institutional representation in this investment is important and it's actually very impressive. Here we go go. Final Trades tipsy. What what else is impressive is starting to see? Em possibly outperform. I think it's a very interesting trade for next year. The EM top heavy with potter utilities gotTa be there long heave shack. I think it's time to buy this one. It's bouncing from fifty eight dollar level. So quick shows once by like that next. I'm not sure about what's breaking coming up to the upside. Its ally Lily Ryan Sullivan and like it money. All right. I'm all right Jack. Keep your hands off of my stack. That's IT for fast money. I'll be back in about two two minutes time because the action is next. We'll see in two minutes. Asia remains the fastest growing region in the world and will wake up two thirds of Global middle-class consumption by the year twenty fifty at Matthews Asia. 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