20 Episode results for "El Centro"
56: Mapping the Customer Journey - Mike Simmons
"You're listening to the daily sales tips podcast. I'm your host Scott Ingram. I'm going to experiment with something a little bit different with a couple of series of tips. I with Mike Simmons and soon with Dale depre- when we do these the goal is to make sure that the tips are still valuable in their standalone form, but offer even more value when listen to or viewed together in a series. So here's Mike Simmons, founder of catalysts sale of full service sales operations and enablement consultancy with tip one from this particular series. Here is another another tip, and this might end up turning into three tips into one I'm going to try to keep a relatively brief here. But there's a video that goes with the Swanson began a chance, you're listening to this on the podcast. Make sure you go out and watch the video when we as sales professionals think about how we go about our business. How often do we think about things from the customers? Perspective. How often do we empathize with them? Do. We put ourselves in their shoes and figure out what the journey is that they go through in order to make a makeup. I'm decision over time. We see this over time. We recognize patterns over time we can start to anticipate how a Bill becomes a loss of speak from a customer perspective. Now, let's say that I'm getting ready to drive from Phoenix out to San Diego. There's a couple of ways that I could go through and do that I can drive out to San Diego by going down through castle GRANDE and then overthrew Huma and then through El Centro in through the mountains in and find myself in San Diego or it can go the north route. I go the north route I'm going to find myself heading out on I ten going through Indio getting on the two fifteen heading south. And then I'll I'll be in San Diego. But if I happen to find myself in Albuquerque, I'm going the wrong. Direction. And this is were mapping the customer decision making process, really become valuable and interesting for you. So we start with hey, I've got a problem. So they put a little picture of customer here and the customer has a problem, and they go. Oh, no, right. Customer has a problem. I need help. They won't even say it it might even say help while the first place that they go after they make that cry for help they're going to try to figure out do. I know anybody else who's dealing with the problem. Can I go into my network? So they might go to their network. They might go to their colleagues inside their office. They might go to their boss that might go out there and do a Google search. We can see all the different kinds of places that someone might end up running to when they need help. It's not often that they're going to a sales rep anymore. There was a time no place way back in the day. Hey, where they would come to a sales rep. But let's say they go out there, and they do a Google search and they served out. How do I create predictability my forecast while if SEO's working while they might end up on the catalyst cell site? They might come across a number of different books out there and what they're looking for predictability in their forecast. They might be able to search for that. Ideally may not. But then they start reading information, and they may come across your information. Then go to your website. Let's say they go to website, they hit they fill in a lead form. So now, they go to the website, they fill in the lead form they enter in their information. And then you give them a call as a sales from right? So you give them a calls a sales rep. And first thing the Askham is how many people they have inside their organization and do they have budget and do they have the authority to make a decision in? Are. They decision maker all of these things are horrible qualification questions. And really what you? You do is you start with? How'd you find us? Why did you come to us? What brings you here? Get them talking not about the qualification stuff that most traditional reps run through. But get them talking about the challenges that they run into their organization. So they are ticky late challenges. Right. So they have questioned they might even have questions they might have statements. But from that point, then they they're looking for someone to help educate them on potential solutions. So go back to this point. Now us is the sales reps we can educate them on the solution based on what we understand about the problem or the challenge that they're running into. So we educate will go ahead and put this is one of those little graduation had on here. Kevin thorn will be really excited about my drawing capability here, but we educate them, and after we go through this education process than they are going to want to look for test for alternatives. Right. So they go. There and they test for alternatives. They may be look for a competitor of yours. They maybe have a number of different questions. They may want to go through the process of identifying a potential reference number of different directions. This could go to but competitor's references, etc. I don't know if this is the process that your customers go through. But I'm gonna accelerate something here. Let's just say that they get to a point where they realize. Yes, you're the right fit. You're gonna help them solve their problems and the really excited about working with you. They've built a lot of reporter you built a lot of trust. They go ahead may enter into a contract. Now, you're responsible for the immplementation maybe pass it on to someone inside the organization, but as we look back at this. There's this linear progress that someone goes where they move from. Hey, I've got a problem too. I need identify some solutions to engaging with someone to implementation. And now at this end idea. They are really really happy and they are excited and they're seeing the praises your organization, and that's the customer journey noticed that that has absolutely nothing to do with ourselves process, nor does it have anything to do with how you engage with the customer on the next step. I'll go ahead I'll get into things like sales process, but for this one I want to keep it at the customer journey and really just highlight that the customer journeys linear. It's kind of like the game of life. It's one of those things where overtime they continue to pick up chips. They might pick up kids. They might pick up a dog might get a bigger car. They might get a better job. But oh, it's like the game of life. If you replaced board game, it's a linear progression. I and we'll get into some of the other journeys that you can map out on future tip. What does your customers journey? Look like does it map to what Mike just described or do you think it's different? Join the conversation at daily sales dot tips forward slash fifty six. Six which is also where you'll find the video and links to all things Mike Simmons if your not predictably executing on your forecast. That's a pretty good reason to give Mike a call. Thanks for listening and come back tomorrow for part two of the series where Mike will talk about mapping the sales process.
Think Like a Lazy Person with Blake Johnson
"What's shaking fire nation jail. D here with an audio masterclass thinking like a lazy man to drop these value bombs. I brought blake johnson on the mike. He is a los angeles based entrepreneur who has successfully founded in sold a variety of businesses which currently exceed five hundred and fifty million dollars evaluations both currency capital. I am capital access companies in which he was the chairman and founder were named on the loss angeles business journal's best places to work in fire nation. Today we'll talk about that concept called like a lazy man. We'll talk about the core elements that we need to have right before launching a business and the common mistakes entrepreneurs make in the startup fees and so much more when we get back from thinking our sponsors fire nation. Are you looking for a step. By step roadmap to financial freedom and fulfillment. While i have some great news for you. My first traditionally published book. The common path to uncommon. Success is available for preorder now visit uncommon success book dot com to preorder today in lock in the incredible bonuses. That are going away soon. Uncommon success book dot com. the lake. say what's up to fire nation and share something interesting about yourself that most people don't know what's up fire nation. Happy to be on with you guys today and wanted to thank everybody for their time. Something interesting that a lot of people don't know about especially in the context of today that everybody when they get to know me a little bit better and i shared his this point. I always get sideways luck. As if you know a making this up but I grew up in a really really small community down in mexican border. It's statistically arguably the most poor community in the united states with the undisputed heavy undisputed number one all time unemployment rate and i grew up working From a really young age on a on a know callo ranch. It's really a feed lot. Catamaran's makes it sound romantic sexy but it. Nothing is romantic nor sexy about this place. It was one hundred twenty degrees in the summer. Twelve thousand head of cattle. We're up three in the morning. Had to be working by four. Did some of the most miserable jobs known to man and the funny part about that is when i got home from work every day. The wrangler the pair of wrangler jeans. That i was wearing would inevitably stand up by themselves. They were so cake all his dirt. And you know dirt lightly all the other cow But they could actually stand up by themselves and are now. I live in los angeles and live. You know very different life but You know comparing those two in and sharing that with people. I always get interesting luck so to speak. Well i find that fascinating for a number reasons. And i'm i'm going to be curious how this ties into the main topic that we're chatting about today which fire nation is you know is thinking like a lazy man ends but you have this concept think like a lazy man so break it down for us because you know it's one of those really kind of head scratching type of topics so how's finishing benefit from this concept. So i it's interesting that in ironically that first point we started out with and ties well and into this Something that. I learned early on or something rather that was taught to me because el centro that community was on the mexican border of worked with you know everybody kinda crossing the border from mexicali and work with about thirty guys working cattle each day in the first year i got out there. It's about thirteen years old kept to myself. I got regulated to the worst the worst jobs which was scooping out water trucks which were filled with. You know all kinds of things. Except water the cattle would stand in the water troughs all day so you imagine getting cattle in. They're standing day. What comes out of those cattle and what had to be removed in with a five gallon bucket you know go through all hundred seventeen pins which took me from monday morning thursday afternoon to get through but so i kept to myself the first year second year the guys in the feedlots started warm up to me they would have lunch which was really our breakfast But you know eight thirty in the morning and so i started getting invited to eat with them which was a big accomplishment for me at that age really got was brought that for a while and like i mean because i kept to myself. I just worked at in complain into that second year. I had one of the managers who has always seems clear. The hefei right. He was the boss and he came over one day and asked me in spanish and he said he said. Hey you know blake if you had to pick one of these thirty guys to do a job to translate a little bit better but to my satisfaction The quickest way. You know the smartest way who would you pick. It looked across all thirty guys sitting. There needed an assist Pick back over there and he asked me why said by beck is always on time. You works really hard you know. He never complains clean. Cut cut begun kinda shook his head and looked at me and started. Walk up and ends like whole on who you pick literally. All thirty guys were together with the exceptions one guy and underneath this like little bush tree was the kind of inappropriate. Save you know without without trying to. It was like the fattest laziest guy of the whole group right. I mean he would complain about x. Y. and z. Them to pick up a bucket and walks in yards. I mean it was not without complaint or moaning and so i like you gotta be kidding me and i'm like you pick back guy and he's always laid. I mean just just almost a guy out at a movie like a character and he shook his head. Yeah because look. He goes that guy so lazy. He'll think of something that nobody else will think. In order to get the job done expanding the least amount of effort without getting fired and he started a name off all these inventions that were very particular to the lock in including a siphon system that nobody had told me about to pull out all the water from the from the from the trucks and a pulley system at the mill for hey bells and in all these crazy crazy things that you know. Were really really genius. And i was a little stunned. Even being young teenager is a stunning in. Took me aside and said look you work really hard but if you wanna succeed in life you'll maintain your work ethic and also think like him so you know i. I've really taken that kind of throughout my whole life and business career in trying to get you know understanding. Hey we're at point eight today and we're going to point b. We need to get to point. B what's the quickest way to reverse engineer. That and i hate the term of thinking out of the box and everything. But i've i've really haven't found a better term but it is really that concept of you know questioned the standard way of doing things and if you know where your destination destination is. What's the quickest point from where you're at today to that point. And what can you invent. What can you think of in order to get there in the most expeditious fashion you know this really resonates with me. Blake for a lottery reasons. I mean you know. I look back over my journey. I was an officer in the army for eight years. They went to law school. I tried to corporate finance. I was in commercial real estate and a lot of those things took a lot of work. I mean it's a lot of work being in the army especially in a time of war. Which i was a lot of work in law school. I dropped out as a result is a lot of work being corporate finances finances. A lot of work being a commercials. They knocking on a lot of doors. It's work work. Work work work and a lot of people like john like man. You're such a hard worker like you did. A daily podcast every day for two thousand days in a row and guess what that was a lot of work but to me it was me getting up walking five feet to my info in home studio and having a conversation. I'm having with you right now. Blake for twenty five thirty five minutes like that was literally what i was doing for. Two thousand days in by was also batching them all together because i was too lazy to to do that every single day. So i figured out ways to batch them and do all my interviews. On one day per week for the whole week's worth of interviews and i've always kind of taken this attitude of you know if i wanted to work really hard i would've stayed in law school i was staying in. Corporate finance would have stayed in commercial real estate. But now like and a lot of ways i'm lazy and i don't want people telling me what to do but also be honestly one a lot to do like i to do what i wanna do. I wanna do it and in a way. That kind of makes me lazy but is allow me to build this business. I have so take that kind of understanding of what it means to think like a lazy man fire nation and potentially look at it up an applying to your life and then things that you can do one thing that i'm kind of curious about for you. Blake is these core elements that you've identified the we have to have rights before we're launching a business around this whole core concepts of thinking like a lazy man absolutely so so when it kind of thinking and for context for the audience founded five businesses. I've successfully exited my my last four. I'm on my fit a plane a couple of weeks. I'll be out of my current job or looking to sell my current company by and and have already started. My sex and bite was a great story which we can get into but it was really the the cumulation of all the learnings. I've had from the previous four and really kind of looking at that. You know we obviously make a lotta mistakes. I always say. I make guaranteed more mistakes than anybody else. But you learn from those mistakes and you refine your palate on. What are the kind of core tenants that yet have in in in the makeup of business to get right and bite was started march. Two thousand seventeen three and a half years into it wouldn't have any investors. We became casual positive. Relatively quick we have now squarely billion dollar plus dot valuation. And you know that people are how like. Wow how did how did that ramp so quickly. Profitably and to that level. And and you know. I've said a multiple occasion that you know while bite was only three years old and arguably grew faster and more profitable than most any other company in any other industry and existence it truly is not a startup because it had the same dna as the previous company riches company had called currency capital data grew at that same pace not quite as big and a company prior to that. And so when you. When you're thinking about these things on what you have to do to do. My dad always had a you cattle and business guy and in that farming community. It's been a lot of time. You get exposure to a lot of businesses ironically and that small community about successful or not us farming. But he always would would remind me when you're starting out in business. Whatever you think it is. It's going to be it's gonna take twice as long. It's gonna cost twice as much and it's going to be twice as hard and you know that that was kind of one lens. I always put on everything. I'm when i'm thinking about my own businesses where i'm hearing about others. You know that to be really sober on to recognize that you know whatever you think. Your budget is double it. However long you think it's going to take to make a dollar double that whatever. The challenges are going to be double those. If in in most of the times i'd say triple nowadays. But you know when when i of think about these core components and really kind of taking that next step which is is being really sober on your dreadful market. How big is your dreadful market is what you're trying to sell or whatever it is. I always say we're very agnostic on what we sell. We just want to check a few core boxes in order to get into a business. Those core boxes for me are really understanding. A few things one is budget. You know running performance running a piano really getting granular and sober. On how much things are gonna cost From from top to the bottom you know from the top marketing Data i would say is is one of the most key components. I think that's overlook. What does it cost you to acquire a customer and how many customers are available for you to acquire mass. You know as simple as that sound a lot of people don't spend enough time thinking about that and then you know really what is going to be the lifetime value of that customer. People often overestimate how much they believe. A customer will pay them. you know. Get those two things wrong. Even one degree off. it's deadly deadly. You know one degree today or tomorrow is indetectable but you multiply that over a week or forget about a week a month a year multiple years at one degree in off. You're you're trying to shoot right now. You're missing your target by a mile. You know the further you go out. So there's core components. Are you know really understanding. Your marketing cost greystone. You know it's going to be. Cpa costs practitioner. A cat right costs post. Acquisition cars Really understanding that and then getting getting sober and understanding what your core components are in order to operate the business in how fluctuate with scale a lot of people think economies of scale as you get up and made factor those in but what they're not accounting for is all those extra costs to run the business as you scale to you get a cosmic scale in certain areas but the very opposite in other areas a lot of things. I took away fire nation. I won't repeat what bleak shared at the android there but one thing that he said little more towards the middle was. How big is your addressable market. Like i wanna to make sure you understand that concept. And you're really thinking about that as you're driving forward and we have more value bombs coming up fire nation when we get back from thinking. 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That means you can stay connected and keep your data protected from anywhere anytime with business wi fi solutions from neck ear. You can focus on. Your business not your. It visit neck. Air dot com slash wi fi. And never worry about why again. That's neck ear dot com slash wifi so blake. We're back and a lot of people. And i mean a lot of people specifically entrepreneurs they struggle with mindsets at the beginning stages of their entrepreneurial journey so what is the right frame of mind for those people who are listening who are in the first two or so years of launching their business jars. Love is questioned in. I constantly have to remind myself of this. And what i found to be true and what it found to be consistent. Is that what what ever were thinking about today as entrepreneurs whatever our plan is today or more so if you're starting a business or if you're in your first year second year whatever you plan on is wrong. It's simply wrong. The right nobody ever started a business and had is beautiful mindset in beautiful business model and you know win. They get over the hump and they created successful business. it happens exactly as it was scripted. At the beginning we have to be constantly aware that whatever we're thinking today is not exactly what it should be or what it will be in the end. And i've i've come to soberly recognize that that okay. I have a plan today. Started started this new business. Alter and i have this theory of how it should go but i also know that that is wrong and that i have to start walking down the road in getting data real time seeing how the market evolve seen how consumer behavior of also seeing for instance how you know nobody would have predicted. Covert number of months ago that shifted. Everybody's kind of belief system and buying habits good and bad and so as entrepreneurs. I really really want to stress that you know if you're in the first few any of the game first year to your ears the end result which is gonna make you. The most successful is not what you're doing today. You gotta constantly evolve. You gotta take you know you gotta identify where you can take some shortcuts. You gotta identify evolving market opportunities. And so if you approach it with that mindset. It's incredibly valuable. I think because it keeps you light on your feet. It keeps you sober to like what you're doing today. Something that something could be better. There could be a better solution. Better process a better angle for you that you come across next week the week after that you know i. I had my first job out of college. You know and it's manager tommy. Romero don't know what he's doing now but You he told me something and he said you know are you hunting in hunting and a crowd position or just hunting like standing up straight like walking and what i think he meant by that was you know. Are you ready to pounce when you see an opportunity. Come ahead of you and you know. I think that that is entrepreneurs. Get so you know stuck in this straight forward path and we're just focused on twelve o'clock straight ahead that were were in. It's easy thing to do to just kind of focus and rents waas repeat which. I'm still a big fan of but also are you constantly scanning or the better way to do it goes back to thank you like lazy man right. There is a better solution out there. But you gotta be looking toward and hungry for trying to sniff it out. You know twenty four hours a day. So one thing that i really try to focus on is maximizing the outcome of my business. I mean this is one way and one reason why we are always publishing our income reports on a month over month basis. I mean we share them publicly but even if we didn't show them publicly like i would still honestly be doing these on an internal basis. Just keeping the finger on the pulse letting us know. Where's our major profit coming in. Where's our big expenses. Are those expenses worth. It's like what's really working in trending right now for us. What may be trends workforce. Last year aren't working anymore. Like these income rewards really helped me understand this focus in these trends and the projections that we can make and as well as where we should be focusing so once a comey is up in running blake. How can we maximize our outcome. Another great question in one that i see commonly overlooked but we become very religious and not. We weren't like this a number of years ago but have become you know with each iteration in each passing year really start to become bigger and bigger believers in being highly highly metric driven. We we often at biden previous companies. You know we use this term the button get the cheese. You know were focused on a process. Where focused on metrics were focused on measuring each one of our steps from the very start to the very end. And then devising system and there's various ways in software systems and everything out there available to to all of us you know can be purchased and customized to specific business to help. You better understand. You know really where you're going right and where you're going wrong And where the areas are that need improvement and one of those things are on those lines is just is just really letting you know. Both you know what i'd say the iq in the each year the emotional side of it you know you can feel culturally about your business You understand people's mindsets but the iq part of it is leading the data speak for itself and then breaking down your company into specific segments. You know whether it be customer. Acquisition customer satisfaction manufacturing whatever the whatever the component is to your business. Think about it from a number standpoint. Can i get better at that. And then start to measure fire nation. What gets measured gets improved. It's a great. Peter drucker quotes. I need you to understand that and you do really realize that. A lot of our successes come from measuring are things improving. Those things in this is what blake is talking about. When he says maximizing our outcomes so blake. We've talked about a lots of awesomeness today. Give us you consider the biggest takeaway from everything that we chatted about here today. Give us ways that we can connect with you going forward any call to action or gift you have for fire nation and then we'll say goodbye absolutely love fire nation. It's it's been amazing to. It's been a great group of people would be more than happy. I i love talking about. Businesses are love helping anybody reaches out. It's been a big. It's been a big thing in my life that you know. I've been a benefactor of a lot of people reach down. Give me give me a hand. Play an appropriate. Roll my life at the right. Time and jill compelled to to do that again. It's it's you know the best things i think we can do. You know and think about is just is is the persistence. You know of this It's it's this is a long in a constant solving a rubik's cube in constant survey of the land that star identifying opportunities. It's the discipline side in sometimes not fun of of all the metrics and measurement that come into the business and really having a system creative system that that does that our small businesses our big businesses that needs to be inherent in that Just just making sure of your your waking up every morning do the do the mundane things do these things that will dramatically increase the probability that that you have a successful businesses successful business ends up scaling and you know most of all focus on profitability. You know that's the key component you know is the focus on. We always talk about two things. Focus on customer satisfaction or customer journey an and profitability on on the as a close second. If you get those two things right you know. Life's going to be a lot better than than if you don't get those two things right now. How can we connect with you into any call to action. You might have connect with me. my personal email which i'd bugged to receive emails on. Its by personal. Be last name. Johnson j. o. H. insulin at toyota o y opa dot com and Feel free to email me there at any point would love to hear from anybody call to action is is just really start to encourage people listening to this to really take another look at their budgets that the revenues what they believe their revenue trajectory is a and really understand every single cost associated with their business like the other hand fire nation. You're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. And you've been hanging out with blake in jail d today so keep up that heat and i love his final takeaway of focusing on profitability focusing on customer service. You folks on the two things fire nation you will win and of course shoot blake an email be johnson at toyota dot com. All the links will be in the show notes page when you head over to you. Fire dot com just type bleak in the search bar will link up everything right over there and blake. Thank you for sharing your truth. Knowledge your value with fire nation today for that we salute you and we'll catch you on the flip side. Hey fire nation. Today's value bon condos brought to you by blake in fire nation. My first traditionally published book. I'm so excited. It's hitting the shells on march twenty third and i am fired up to say the lose. The title is the common path. To uncommon success. Your roadmap to financial freedom and fulfillment in preorders fire. Nation are so. If i've given you any value over the years would literally means the world not figuratively literally mean the world if you would head over and pre-order my book lock in a copy for yourself for a loved one. I have some sweep bonuses that this isn't like fake value. This is real value when you get over there. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars of value real value for you and your loved ones. I'm head over to uncommon. Success book uncommon. Success book dot com. 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Start Something Stupid with Richie Norton - 630
"Do you do the economy's changed. Jobs are not as prevalent as they. Once were in many people report. Their businesses are down as much as seventy five percent. Is this the right time to start something new or is that just a stupid idea. Well let's hope it's a stupid idea because today that's what we're talking about how powerful it is to start something stupid with the author of the book the power of starting something stupid. My friend marketing impact academy alumni. Richie norton well richie. Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm really excited to do this. You just the finest person in the world. Oh man you're the best an honor. I've been waiting my whole life for this very moment right now. I know for real though. I love you so much. I know you're asking me questions yet. But i've done mia. i've been there. I've followed you've taught me everything i know. Everything i say is straight from you just coming through my mouth. I dunno honestly so grateful for you. And what what you do for the world. Oh my gosh check is in the mail amazing because like literally this week. I have a hard copy of your book but for some reason. I bought a kindle this week and i'm just like oh my gosh this is so inspirational. There's so much of that. I need the world to hear right now because now more than ever i think people are really starting to realize nothing is certain d- i have to be in control of my own destiny and there's so little that i can count on that. Maybe now is the time that i considered like doing my own thing. It's sort of and you're just really motivate people to do that. Yeah you always had that kind of spirit you know. I don't know even as a kid my mom would encourage me and but also encourage my own willingness to try and help other people like the kid that no one else likes. You know i'd go and hang with that guy you know what i mean. I guess that's in my nature but as far as it into things that serve people enter. Entrepreneurial i mean i grew up with that by dow is entrepreneur. My grandpa was an entrepreneur. So he kind of taught me to think in different ways you know and so. I don't know if it's innate or learned but i've definitely been doing it for a while let's are the people who struggle with it right because we both work with those types of individuals now and i mean in the intro. People got to hear about how vast your experiences like. You're one of those guys who knows something about freaking every word making it up as a but there's i find that there's two different types of people those people who are like the really down to experiment to fail and it's like it's just not a big deal. They don't even think twice about it. They just leave. They jump to go for it. The hardest people for me. I feel like to reach in the ones that. Keep me up late at night. I suspect this is probably true for you to are those people who are so paralyzed by perfection. The ones who worry endlessly about is the right thing. Is this the right time warner people are gonna think what if i'm doing this wrong and i just i don't have that gene and i know you don't either but tell me about those people who you've worked with that maybe when you first working with them like how did you help them to break through that mentality. 'cause i know there's people listening right now that's that's me my hands are up to. How do you break through that. Okay this is my head spinning always examples but let me back up real quick lake. There's the voices that are outside that we hear there's the voice in her head that we hear and we tend to actually the had a lot. We also start to filter the voices of others almost in a way to say what we want them to hear. Even if it's negative someone might say like you're saying goes out of business and they here. Yeah but that's not for me. No no that's not what she leans set that it is for you. I remember i was sixteen years old. I wanted to make some money. I told my dad. I wanna make some money in the summer. We'll get like a minimum wage job. Picking up trash at like the local carnival. Or whatever i was going to do. He said worst add ever. He says you don't want to. Who says that he said no. I'm from san diego. He's he's a go to el centro and ask the watermelon farmers if you can either irregular sized watermelons from them that they couldn't sell to the stores because they're oddly shaped and i'm like okay. He gave me a little bit of seed money so to speak and filled up our family. The antic out the seats with these water mounts me and my brother. I was sixteen. Fourteen came back. Call up all my friends. parents said. Hey guys watermelons. It's almost the fourth of july. Do you want to buy them. They said yes. Probably its climate kid and whatever. I'll tell you what i learned from this process. I made more money in one day on the fourth of july. Then i would made the entire summer. Working minimum wage is what entrepreneurship learnable skill. It's just that sometimes we're not getting the right voices. We're not listening to the right people or filtering those voices in a way. That doesn't serve us about that. Filtering process like so. Do people know that they're filtering. How do you change the filter right. So we're filtering. It's like cognitive bias. Like we all. Let's yeah yeah. no it's true. Let's play with that for a second like you mentioned people who procrastinate and a lot of people associate the whole chapter my book on procrastination i've studied a procrastinator myself and people associate procrastination laziness when in reality the trait most associated. You can google stuff. People don't believe me the trait most associated with procrastination is immediacy. And you have to always do something right now. It's like for food people. It's like filling up on bread at dinner instead of waiting for the main course so in reality. Most of us are procrastinators. Actually workaholics will do anything at all. We'll get so much stuff done not to do the thing that we actually need to do. Where does immediacy plan to then. How do you correlate those two. Let's say for example that i'm putting off my taxes so instead of sitting down and going doing the hard work it takes to kind of look the numbers. I'll go do the dishes i'm working. I'm getting a ton done. But i'm not doing the activity that gets the result that i actually need so in. Other words people procrastinate oftentimes. They're doing something that gives an immediate gratification. Gratification is the sense of like well. I'm doing something therefore unproductive and therefore i feel good about myself if i start that big project. It might be harder than i think it is. And that doesn't sound good and so i'm going to follow my intuition and do the same like that's going to give me immediate gratification. Yes let's say. Oh you're really busy at the end of that. You got nothing done busy on the wrong things right. Yeah total so then then. How do you oldest fast forward. How do you solve procrastination million different ways. It's a lot of its psychological. There's a lot of ways to do it. But at the end the day you need a deadline like have you ever watched any rocky movie every rocky movies them just kind of fumbling around until like the month to before they actually have to have the fight then they get down to business. Yeah and considering the moment that we are experiencing in time which is it's just so remarkable like i'll never forget the day that i got to interview ritchie and we're in the middle of this crazy pandemic and we talked about the fact that he's in hawaii. They're arresting tourists. Who are not like this is just a crazy time where we just his one. Nothing that certain anymore. And because of that. I think people are really waking up and realizing like yeah nothing certain including my jogging including the one business that i have like the one thing you and i really connect on is like we have all these other streams of income which we didn't start at once but for a lot of people. It's time to start a second stream of income or like let's go. Let's start your own business true. It's almost like there's a lot of wakeup and then some wakeup calls are bigger than others. You know and like this is a huge wakeup call. The whole world. I felt was like sleeping and so when you awake asleep giants gonna get grumpy. You know things are going to happen. The world's gonna spin your head differently but for people like me and you and those who are listening to this. I would ask a different question. I'd say like if you don't do something to change something right now. What's your life gonna look like in ten years and a lot of people to we think like this. We think ten years from now. I have the school but ten years is so far out so many things changed into were there. They don't always happen the way we thought they would. Aglow pandemic happens you lose all the money. 401k your spouse passes away right like my son we can talk about. My son passed away. If you had these wake up calls. It was weird is we make goals back at one. Second thing about who you were. Who i was or whoever's listening was ten years ago so two thousand ten. Selene was a different person. I was a different person. Your kids were different. People like literally where you live what you did what you thought who you identified out so we make goals based on who we are now for the future but we're never going to become that person because in ten years we're going to be a totally different person brought it that way it was like bringing it all you say if i want to be this person in two five ten years. Why don't i act from that person today and essentially become that person right now. Yeah i want to change my income. Okay well you can wait five or ten years to figure that out or you can just sell something today but i just got generalized. But there's a quote in your book where you say. Are you quoting someone i forget. Who but you said a year from now. You're gonna wish that you had started a year ago like whatever that thing is and you have this really cool chapter where you kind of help people ask all questions. They need to in order to remove all the excuses that we have. And i think you call it. Tam like i'm education do yes time education money. Get no it's true. So one time so steven covey of seven habits as a mentor of my my wife. I know them through. My wife's family and stephen covey wrote a book called speed of trust and he asked me when i was in my mid twenties to do trainings with him and he just me and him in the room is big. Long like corporate table is like just mean. Hit is rich. Want you to teach this. And i'm like. I literally said to him. I said what about all the grey hairs in my young twenty s going to teach these like fifty and sixty year old people about business. Like what are you talking about. Any kind of slammed his fist on the table. No joke and he wasn't like me and he's to being serious and funny to drive home. Appoint he said richie. People say they have twenty years experience when in reality the only have one years experience repeated twenty times. That's crazy. i'd never wanted it that way. When when he said that it blew my mind he wasn't saying experience is an important he was saying. Continuous learning is important. He was saying that i could learn. He was also saying that some of these guys gals whoever who have been in the same job for a long time have actually been doing the same thing over and over and over again that we could disrupt that facile sutlej talk about disruption right. Because i think that's another reason why so many people or should say an obstacle that so many people use in their minds is their like. Everything's ben done before. Or i'm not going to do something different because this is the way i've always done it right and so i i don't want to change anything because i'm really comfortable right here. Even though things are getting uncomfortable around me hashtag blockbuster video you share some really cool analogies specifically about the model t and the ford corporation. I i love that. You've read my book and you're looking at starting amazing. I read it. When i first met in person and then i read it this week again and was just like racial so share with us some of concepts. So so. what's interesting. Is the joke that you can get any model in any color as long as black those kind of joke. But what's interesting is multi became so successful ford at the time before became successful was henry. Ford was crazy. People thought he was stupid and when they would call them crazy based on what i read about him he would say. Yeah crazy like a fox right. So he's he was he was embracing it. He creates this thing called a car. An automobile and it ends up taking over the world. Other cars are coming in as competition but the only had one car the model t and he was the king over fifty percent of all cars in the world were the ford model. T what happened though as gm started doing their own cars different styles. Different colors in as you could imagine people interested in that are buying those. Their market shares are to drop. Well i guess. At some point henry went on vacation or something and came back and his staff had made him a new car and new model. And you'd think so. Cool he got on top of the car broke in the windshield. Broke off the handle on it. He went off like what a jerk seriously naturally. Grateful he's like no. This is what we do and so what happened. Is this the stupid loop as i call it stupid. Became smart smart became standard in other words. A stupid idea was successful. People are seeing that saying they started doing it to kim. So i call it the stupid loops instead of him. Creating something new. He stayed with it but like all boy bands at some point. They lose their appeal right and so they lost market share so much they were actually forced to shut down their factories and reinvent in overtime he created what's called the model a and then they started getting their market share back up starting doing different things so the lesson in this is we have to always be returning to stupid read off in the founder of lincoln he he calls it living in permanent beta. You're always reinventing yourself so the same way. I said unintentionally. We may have been someone different in ten years and unintentionally we might be someone different in the future in ten years. We can intentionally become different better if we choose so so in other words. If this loop is true for most of us you start off by picking something that you're like. This seems stupid. And i'm going to try this. People are saying stupid for even thinking. This is possible. i don't know what i'm doing. This is this a stupid idea. And then you just start you make your progress that stupid thing. Some that's really smart and then it becomes really smart thing isn't so great anymore. Becomes the standard or it becomes pregnant. And it's if you're not innovating if you're not improving if you're not in data than that standard or that's become stagnant that stupid again that's right but you can stupid or stuck in stagnant. I guess right if you're not innovating and you can think of a million examples of that happened with jeff bezos and amazon. A happened with apple and steve jobs and computers and creating the ipod thing and then destroying in creating the phone that basically takes over an ipod compete like. If you look at their business they destroy what they created and create a new thing over and over and over and over. I love these kinds of examples. But i whenever i hear them. I always think to myself in the average person can relate to being or it's almost like we have to stay there because you don't want to call people to you know because like i am thinking just now when you mention that unlike who do i know who probably had a dumb idea and they got it was really smart and they haven't innovated and i can think of a few people in particular people who are like really brilliant at training people and they have a concept they've got you know they're really good at what they do. They want help the world and a dumb idea first and then then they started speaking and getting on everybody stages and you know traveling the world helping people in this way and like one person in particular who. I happen to know who. I've been saying to this person for the longest time. You gotta take this stuff online. There are people who can go to your live events. You have to leave your family all the time. Like you've got to put this on lines you can reach more people. There's just not my thing. I'm not an online person blah blah blah will will now. He's kinda stuck in that standard. It's almost back to stupid because he hasn't put himself in that position to do things differently because he's always made a model t. Black and now knowing traveling there at the moment anyways and and i know we will at some point but my point is you know. He's a perfect example of that loop. It's a good example. What's interesting. I speak in front of like audiences all have them like the person next tomorrow. Them raise their hand. And i'll say. Have you ever had a stupid idea. That turned out to be great and talk with their neighbor. And it's like this fascinating. The most amazing always business stories. Just be some random idea. Like i'm going to go off to college where i'm not gonna go off to college or against this person or i'm not and they and you're like wow he's are realizing stupid the new smart like if it's already smart. It's already been done. Where's the creativity. There's no creativity right. And then what's interesting too about your friend. For example people who have never heard anything cement patterns that make it hard on the do something new. The people who have a pattern of creating new things when they become successful. It's a hard fall if they fail because they're on a pedestal so they don't want to change it up his now. You have a lot to lose so there are ways to go. How can mitigate that risk. How can i do this like in secret. And then launch it. How can i say there are ways to do it. But it's a different problem for someone who's successful to reinvent themselves someone who we're all successful in our own way but someone hasn't actually tried ever. They have a different problem. The person who already made it. Have you seen that new show with. Have you seen his new show. I don't think so. Okay dude it's exactly just said. He goes to like people who were once like a list celebrities and had this like you know moment where they really like rose to fame and then something happened where they came crashing down and there are those people who figure to reinvent themselves and how to innovate and figure out what's next you know like the person i think of all the time is like suzanne somers like dopes or like george foreman. He so doubt like people like what's next let's go so anyways a-rod he needs with these people and i've only seen two episodes but it seems it was going to be really good because i keep seeing that mentality that like. I fell so hard from the thing that i know. Yes they keep thinking. I have to go back and do that. It's like no that's gone. those days are over. You can't be on bay watch anymore. Senior citizen baywatch right. It's kind of interesting so talk to me about the action steps. I think you call it a new smart. So when i wrote the book i did a lot of research and it was obvious. Successful people started things. But what was interesting. As i realized they started something stupid. Someone said they were crazy and they shouldn't do. It wasn't their time. They didn't have enough time education money experienced so i interviewed over three hundred people in person and the usually couples usually approaching retirement or in retirement. 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They started doing whatever plans to call them back in eighties. Retirement plans to get you to work longer and not leave their company in fact if you take your money out early you're penalized. So they're saying. I will give you two weeks vacation in life. Congratulations well i give you this tax deferred retirement so that by the time you finally retire you can finally live and do everything that you've always wanted to do. It doesn't happen that way for most people. The four one k. tanks two thousand eight happens. Two thousand twenty happens someone passes away there unhealthy and you go. Don't tie the weighting of going on a weeklong trip to italy to being sixty five when you can do it right now right. I mean. I mean people. I don't know if you guys from now on. Everyone needs to follow you on instagram. Because first of all your whole family is freaking epic. I don't. I don't know how you got such a hot wife. Who's an amazing writer. He's she's so smart is a super cool. Anyways travel the world. And you live this really cool purpose driven fascinating fun life or you're just helping so many people and i don't know it looks like from the outside and learn. I know you legit like you really are all of you living your best lives. Yeah we are trying. And i'll tell you why we didn't always think this way things happen to so like if you look at our life from that vantage point you'd say dreams fairytales. He looked at it from the tragedies. We've experienced go. Those guys have one of the hardest lice. You've ever imagined you know. And i don't wanna trade my life with their life kind of thing so we have four boys. Our youngest son got this cough and we took the doctors that it was nothing. you know. we're worried parents and they said okay. Maybe it's rsv but we can't confirm okay. It's going to be fine. No big deal. But it persisted until we finally brought him in one night and they kept us there and they usually didn't keep us there in overtime. Finally they looked for something called pertussis also known as whooping cough and he had caught that and when he caught that it was just so much on his little body. I remember it was he at the time. Well he's only three months old only three months old and it was like going around in california and he caught it in hawaii. But i remember he's like we're in this hospital room the pick you in. He's in the middle. I'm on one side my wife on the other. He's just like laying there in between us and we're just praying for a miracle in my wife was keeping a blog and this is kind of in the early days of blogging tia. She had always followers from all over. And we had tens of thousand people messing us. We've had one guy from istanbul. Saying i still have it praying for your side. It's an outpouring of love. And i remember. They brought in a crash cart. They're like look you guys gonna stay the night or like we always stay the night but they were clueless in what might happen at some point took out all the tubes all the wires and i held him for a moment my wife held him and we just prayed and we sing a mola buys. I had my hand on his heart. Wait for those last beats and now i promised each other that we wouldn't let this tear apart because we knew that it could and that lot of times it does and we national decision that we would live better like for him because of him and do our best. Just be cautious and kind to each other when it got really hard and he slipped away and as you can imagine it's like you're you're like your worst experience as a parent to not be able to protect your own kids so vulnerable and we don't think about though is like we had to leave. What is now told me this later too. She's like i didn't know what to do because she's holding the baby. You leave your child there. She told me looking back she felt like there was this other natalie. They kind of came out and carried her to be able to have the strength a strength. That you didn't know to hand the baby to a nurse who came off and she rocked him as we left. The building. empty-handed my god and so what happens is like it's experience as tragic a lot. He believes listeners have had their own tragedies. I read grief pamphlet at some point. It's that something like it's a tunnel mata cave. It's a tunnel not a cave and a lot of times when tragedies happen. We don't see the tunnel. We just see the cave always walking. We create self-imposed caves. And i did mention. Is that just a few years earlier. My wife's brother at twenty one died in asleep out of nowhere. He was close with us. He lived aren't off us five years at our house in hawaii. Like just a cool dude. So here rather die. Our son died. And i had this mentor. Who just she was speaking in hawaii and visiting from the mainland as she cannot tell us and said would you learn and i'm like a stupid question. Don't ask me about you. Know what did you learn you know. And my wife asked me here. And she was well intentioned. I thought about it though. And i write about in the book in iowa i learned is what i call so mike. My brother-in-law's name was gavin. And my son's name also gathered named after him buried here in hawaii negotiate with each other. We visit them all the time. Leave it's weird when the graveyard becomes like your play grad with your kids like yours. They're a lot you know. It's it's bizarre. But i learned what i call gavin's law which is live to start start to live so when you live those ideas are pressing on your mind even stupid ones. You really will start living. So many people don't know what to do but they do have an idea pressing on their mind. There's pushing it away. Because they label as fear or steaming right. I can't why don't have enough. So when when you going back to your original question on start. It's an acronym created for serve think ask receive entrust misses a process that so many greats from like the most famous. He'll you can read about people like you to like. Just the everyday person uses pattern. Just magic happens when i attach it to live to start. I think live to serve live to thank live to ask live to receive. Live to trust When you serve others intentionally for free your freemium concept when you think them the opportunity to give them this gift and serve them you earned the right to ask not just asking out of nowhere like some moot which you don't wanna be your assing respect and then you receive an. I know you guys are football. People like imagine if the quarterback throws the ball and the receiver swats the bottom the air or actually puts his knee down the crowd to be like. What's wrong with the team. you like. We all worked free to like score. What are you doing when people throw stuff to us gifts received when you share your content. We don't do anything with it. It's like a gift. We never opened like we're literally swatting out of the air. The best gift you can give to the giver is to score the touchdown run down to the end zone so you receive it with the intent to win. There's a double win. then you trust that process. It's really powerful. It's good maybe blows now that story stories just like i have many follow questions but i can't ask them because i'll breakdown. They'll know how you get past that kind of tragedy. but you do. Well let me tell you though when natalie. I got married though. Our our goal was to be able to be there for our kids. Take them to school. Pick them up coach baseball team without having to ask a boss to tell us if we can or not be able to show up for their events. That was our dream. And we're doing it. So when he passed when both gavin's past we actually had created intentionally we had to refine overtime a business model. A business model where we could work from our cell phones. We work from anywhere like we went for two months on the road after that happened. Just huddled up as a family camping fishing. Just talking to the boys out what happened. They all different ages. All at it differently. You know like where he go. Where am i going to see again. Or am i gonna die like there's always crazy questions. The thing is it like. I'll just go through this quickly but like it's so important as those ideas that are pressing on your mind not just because of like. I don't know his idea and you can make you money but because like so you can live a life without regret ansi. You can teach those around you how to do it so you can stop the cycle of. I don't know not living dreams. Whatever that is in a gave us the capacity to use our time differently so now when i start businesses i fast forward and i go. I started business. That will take up my time. But if i have a child that say thirteen years old if it takes me five years to have a break even make money work out. I just lost their entire teenage years. And they're gonna come out of the house. So now i teach people how to create businesses that create time not taking on. Yes and that's the thing you know you write in your book. Money's easy yeah is hard. Time is hard. you can get your money back. you can make your money back. You could make all kinds of money back that you're never going to get that time. Back is true for for listeners. I'm hoping i know where we can get into something really tactical stuff to you. But i'm hoping that you're going even in the midst of a global epidemic an economic disaster there's opportunities everywhere and it's not about waiting more like you waited till now. Are you literally gonna keep waiting to see what happens like you can do something about it and let me show them worse things than i mean. We'll get some tactics. But i don't know if we met this family and it was a mom and three kids is. She needed us to watch her kids. Overnight we just met her at church and were cool and they were like very cute. Cuban dominican grew up wherever amazing family. The mom doesn't come back. We have them for a week. She tax here near the air. We don't know what's going on in their life. The cps shows up better house and they're going to take the kids away it were like what are you gonna do with them and they said well. There's three of them was seven year old girl and one year old twins boy girl twins and they said we never for them to stay so were there say office. Then we're going to split them up because nobody wants three kids and we said who will take them and well. You're not foster parents because you haven't done all the things you have to do to become one the okay. Well what can we do. Because they're already in your care. We can call kinship placement. This louis ended up. Fostering these kids for two years while their mom figured out her life and eventually got back which is one of but also very scary tragedy thing for us. We are hoping to adopt them. You know and it didn't work out but we went from four kids three kids to six kids so we have people ask many kids i have. I'm like know. Do i have seven. Do i have three right. After we lost him again. We were going to try out what we're going to do in on our way to the airport we were gonna fly to new york and we were going to drive across the country with our plan was and we were gonna make money on the road while we work from our cell phones students. Come the things that we'll talk about here. In a second on the way to the airport. Natalie has a stroke. we later. She couldn't talk. She lost her memory. She couldn't remember what was going on. She couldn't speak. Do you think of a stress induce. It could have been stressing this then show anything on the brain scans and eventually she was cheered. Likely let us out. And i said now we're going to home we're gonna laxer is gonna sleep do whatever and she's like. There's no way. I'm not getting on the airplane if i lay down. I'm not getting back up. She's so brave. And i gave her the suit school ahead of us because he's going to go to some conference thing and then we were going to meet up with her. I gave his little note. This ad by forget my name all this number and then i'm like oh forget to give them a note and so bad i she flies york. She's so braves you so cool. She made the decision even when these hard thing. She was still going to live her life. We don't know thing is trying to say is is if someone shows up on your doorstep whether you lose your memory i had my son also at one of my sons got hit by a car and almost he was in the hospital. It should be quadriplegic like you don't know what's going to happen but it's these fears. Stop us from trying to do anything real or not and right now. they're real. Yeah we ended up on the road for six months. We drove from new york yego to mexico to canada and back out to hawaii. Just not knowing where we're gonna sleep at night. All of this was enabled because of a thought desire to put family first zaire not to wait but also with a proper business mall that lattice of freedom and flexibility to do them. You have a pretty cool resource that you could share with our audience. That would be great. So if you go to rush. Norton dot com. It'll just pop up or return dot com slash seven six day challenge. Kind of takes you by the hand step by step day by day how to come up with an idea how to turn the idea into a project or not project into a deadline how to actually make happened around your highest like values and goals. Yeah three rabbit. Amazing in a lot of people right now. I hope that you guys are downloading that taking advantage of it. Because sometimes people wonder why. I just don't even know where to start. I don't even know how to organize your process. And i think that's a wonderful tool that will help people literally organiz that process. You do a lot of different things. I think you help. A lot of people may know you helped us. It's so cool. Our relationship as circle. And and i'm really excited about some of the projects that we have planned together like. I cannot wait to travel. No euro may so for those. I don't know. I went to the marketing impact academy and i didn't know what i was getting myself into. You know this crazy lady dancing around doing cool stuff. But i just written the book. I didn't really know how to market it or what to do next. So he really like taught me honestly like i learned so much law had a lot of questions i was just like. What is you kind of threw me into this world whereas like even with a book even with the physical product even with whatever you can take your expertise. You can take your ideas. You can take your products. You can market them online properly and like it. That's i'm just telling the book. I didn't really think about the business model behind the book. I wrote it. Because i is read a book. You know the overtime. I have generated. Millions of dollars to through my companies and millions and millions of ours other people's companies been helping them execute great products using the ideas from your marketing system. I know this isn't about this but if anybody's listening to whatever whatever she sells you buy it because it's the aren smart. I'm going to receive a world to me. It does and i just love the all the things you do kind of like all of it ties to helping other people like live their dream and these really cool things we could do. A whole nother podcasts. We'll have to make it brief. Run up on our time limit. But i think swell the coolest things you do. Is you really help. People innovate and i wanted to ask you. What is the difference between innovation and invention. Okay that's a good question and a lot of people like used the term the same invention could just be something that you literally invent. It's like your new creation. It's your widget it's your new idea. Whereas an innovation is actually the process of bringing that idea or that product to market so someone will invent it and then someone will innovate it. Right is that person is like when you see something on tv and you look. I invented that never innovated. That's that's exactly right and people always because the word disruption becomes so popularized you know. Playing christianson loved him. Mazing guy met him time. The idea of the disruption is people. Go get back confused. That's just a small idea that intentionally or most likely unintentionally disrupt some other industry so when you're just trying to create something you want to invent and innovate. There's like these incremental innovations which. You're like evolution's innovations Those are different than the disruptive ones which are revolutionary innovations so an evolutionary one might be. Oh i saw this thing. I'm going to add to it. Cool revolutionary one kind of create. Its own market craigslist. Some thing so in a lot of ways a lot of people will say this is kind of just a new idea but body will say. I can't do this because someone else has. In some ways you could say you can just do something similar. You can model them. You can innovate something similar. But you can also recognize your own human being your own self as an actual revolutionary innovation. Like the fact that your doing it makes it a new market because no one else. But you in you're little microcosm of the world is doing. It is power in that. You know what i mean. So yeah yeah. It's interesting concept. Thought of coming up with kind of a better version of something that already exists. That feels like okay. I do that coming up with something. Revolutionary who scary like intimidates me. But i think if you don't give yourself permission to at least be some who thinks that way where you're looking at something already exists in going like how could this be better or what's missing yes. Then you're never going to have to shoot. Your shot is true. So people will go so when i wrote the power stars named stupid people would say richie. I have the stupid idea. Can you help me. And i'm like I wanna help. But i'm not a subject matter expert on their stupid idea. It could be anything. I also realized real quick. If they said they wanted to make money they can make the money. And it's still not have the time or the real dream they want people would say they want us but they wouldn't say so that they could actually do xyz for example some all. I want her this business but what they really want is freedom of time and locations. They can travel with their family around the world. So if you start a business that actually takes your time. You're going to start one. That doesn't give you the freedom to travel with family so you didn't get what you want psychology. My next book from the about this colleges called final. 'cause what comes after the success the success after success so now when someone says hey i want go. That's cool that's cool. We can do that but what you really want. I want to be able to do this. So then we can center the goal and build systems around it s supported instead of doing the weird goal setting thing. Where you trickle up and then go ooh. I finally get it which never happens. Yeah use language. And i know it's like success two point. Oh you know figuring out like and the things that i thought meant success in the goal setting that i mastered to achieve those things and getting there and then realizing these are the things that i wanna battlefield what i wanted to feel because i never factored in what i wanted to feel into my goals and so now concept is i start now with. What's the feeling i want. Yes and those journals are amazing coat. There no no. They're amazing. But i mean that's it like someone says richie. I have made money in a year. I have this idea. And the first thing i'll say is when's the last time you ask somebody for their credit card and their face drops you like. You're asking people to buy it from you. You actually never worked a day in your life. You are preparing to work. If workman making money making activities ritchie. What do i sell. Ask the people what they want and give it to them. Do a survey released making this stuff up man now. You don't need me. Get a focus group like literally. If you've got ten followers you've got people who will say hey. Yeah this is actually what we want and this is how much we would be willing to pay for it and this is what you should probably call it like. They'll do all the market research for you or ritchie. This is ben. As i knew it would be just a super inspirational. I'm pumped up. I'm inspired and i know our audiences too. So i hope that everyone will grab that free. Download seventy six days challenge. You can get that again. We go to richie norton dot com yup. Yup i'm gonna put all of if you don't mind if i have permission i'd like to put your wife's i g in our show. Incredible is a great people. Thank you so much being here today. This great honor. Thanks so much for doing this seriously. And everybody listening. She's amazing you know but seriously she's amazing awesome love. You mean edge you thank you. Thank you so much i will see.
243: When the United States Wants to Deport Its Veterans
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Guys, I wanted to jump right in to talk about the deportation case surrounding Mario Medina's, who is a veteran who has served. We have Mario on the line right now a mighty Ohio. Are you? I'm doing good. Thank you this scenario. I, I wanted to just jump right into this since you agree to come on, and I wanted, I want you to tell your story, I don't want to read, what I got about your case. So tell us why you're on with me on Latino rebels right now because you have a, a hearing coming up on Wednesday, I believe, right? Yes. On June twenty six actually, I, I was introduced to you by brandy dud sick. She runs the nonprofit for the repatriate are patriots and asked me to give you a call. And tell my story. Right. So you have a hearing to what you're hearing on the twenty six all about. Well, actually it's a deportation hearing. It is the. I don't know second or third one. I've actually had because I was actually in, in detention in El Centro for a while. I had a case back in two thousand eight where I was living with the woman. And so a, a, a friend of mine had just committed suicide and I was pretty distraught. And so when I came home, you know, she and I were arguing about the whole situation. She'd been out drinking I had just come home from the police station. And I found him dead. And so we, are you at some point during the argument I had a beer bottle in my hand and during the argument, you know, I kind of flung my hands and the beer bottle of the head in my hands had hitter in a cheek. She got couple stitches in a black guy, and when she went to the hospital, obviously, the nurses, had called the police, because it was considered domestic, and they asked her what happened. She said all my boyfriend hit me with a beer bottle, which was the case anyway, so moving forward during the whole situation, the DA press charges on me for domestic violence. We went through, I don't know, six seven months of back and forth. A dialogue between the DA and myself. I was I believe forty six at the time twenty six point seven. Yeah. So it was, you know, I was getting up there and for, you know, it's kind of a shame that, you know, a man, my age would get into situation like that. But, you know, crazy things happen. And so the DA press charges we were going back and forth with the dialogue is far as the beetle plea deals. I decided not to take the plea deal. They were offering which was pretty harsh for a first time offense. And I decided to take my case to trial. And so when I took my case to trial. Nobody really truly understood immigration locations at the time. And my attorney didn't the DA the judge. Nobody really spoke too much about it other than the fact that there was a, a possibilities and consequences of deportation. So I took my terrible my case to trial lost, and they gave me five years for a was, what was a two year sentence, because it took the trial and lost a aggravated my sentence and added additional three years. So. Five years. I did I. Well, no us actually eighty five percent of the time, which is for years. And I don't know proximity. Where were you were you incarcerated? I wasn't concentrated in the, the CD are a CDC got California Department of RAV rehabilitation and I was at the time I went through what they call reception and they put me in a up in northern California area prison system and at the time while I was awaiting a elected to try to go to, to a fire camp system, which is, you know, the forest fire firefighters, and I made it through. But I had to wait a, a certain amount of time and during that time, I, I was a legal clerk in the prison system. I taught literacy went through all sorts of really cool classes. They had on domestic violence and actually got certified to become a teacher for a couple of programs. I mean obviously. Mean before we talk about your, your immigration status and how this is leading to your possible. Deportation. Tell me more. I mean as a man, I mean, you know was this the first time. Because I, I you know, when, when you hear domestic violence, I. I come from, you know, I've had family members my mom and it's been it's very serious for me. When I hear things like that. How understand you know what I'm saying? That's in. That's a big deal. Like, do you feel like, yeah, I saw myself I crew up with the domestic violence. I understand what you're where you're coming from on that, too. But it wasn't your typical scenario as the like a, you know, I'm beating on my girlfriend, or my wife or something. And, and then I'm asking for some kind of leniency this, this of was a very tumultuous situation under duress where, you know, I found my best friend had just committed suicide and she and you haven't had a history, like I don't know much. I read your case in and your history before would domestic wasn't like nothing that I've been had a history of re pattern with your girlfriend, or any, any nothing like that. Now, it would it was is essentially, like I said a one time incident were, you know, she was actually an abbreviated at the time. And when she was in the hospital. She was still a little tipsy and just said, you know, my boyfriend hit me with a beer bottle so that statement alone. You know, raise red flags and, you know, it was under arrest where we can rightly so right. I mean it's something that. I don't take lie. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I don't want. I guess, you know, getting it it's something that happened. Right. And I think reading your case, seeing, you know, the fact that you, you actually did work to reform yourself or try to look, into domestic violence reading what I've read the rim, the remorse that you've like, do you feel like you've changed from it. I mean I know that's a weird question. But do you feel like that moment was just not you like what it was? Because your your, your friend committed suicide, which I understand. I mean, did you were you in shock would feel like PS P, you know, PTSD I mean who and how did you get through all that? I mean just I just wanna get that before we move on. Sure. Sure. No. Agreed. I, I don't say, I don't even believe that I had PTSD it wasn't Indiana like that. Like I said it was a one time incident, which was something I was very ashamed of because it, it's not a typical scenario for me to, you know, if I get an argument with my girlfriend, the say, hey, you know, I'm just gonna beat on you, and, and I'm gonna try to hide it. You know, wasn't nothing like that. I was very open from the from day, one about the whole incident. She ended up even being a hostile witness towards a prosecution, because she ended up recanting the statement that she even tried to tell the DA the judge of congresswoman Sanchez of Serena's at don't know what district that is wrote letters to the DA to the judge saying, hey, you know, I'm changing my story solely because what I said was not factual. Yeah. And so me I like I said. I made sure I grew like in the end. You felt like you've paid your debt society, you serve like learn your do you feel like you know, obviously, it was a moment. But you felt in your is your like I've done everything I've could I've been up front. I've served my time. I'm trying to get my life together. No. Definitely your, you know, your question initially was like, so I almost forgot about it was that, that I take anything away from it indefinitely, because I didn't want to be that type of person. So even though it's not who I am. It doesn't define who I am, as a person as a man, I did take a lot of classes on domestic violence because I wanted to educate myself on, you know, and also help others along the way and teach that, you know, what it isn't right to, to lash out even under duress or in a stressful situation, which is something I did. And so, yeah, I took, you know, bunch of classes, a bunch of seminars. And this any other while in prison after prison, and I recently also went through some counseling for, you know, slave PTSD or anything like that, but who's more about the learn about myself, as a man is a person, so, yes, I did educate my. Cellphone did take a lot away from this whole city. It's been eleven years. I mean how long have you been out? Well, I've been out, I immediately from the prison discharge which was, I believe, June twentieth. Or something of twenty thirteen icepicked ice, pick me up to rightly from the prison directly into ice detention. Wait a minute that you got. Okay. So now we enough to step back because. Okay, so you get out of prison. So let's start talking about we've established like that. But talk to me about. Well, first of all your situation growing up your status before we get into ice picking you up when we talk about the next six years, let's put this in perspective of, like where you from. How did you serve in the in the armed forces talk about a little bit more about your history there? And. So my mom came here at a young age. Live with a man at she had a child, which was my youngest sister. My middle sister actually, and she actually was born in sixty seven I believe, so I came to this country when my young, my middle sister was born. Obviously, my mom when I was actually where were you born, I was born and raised in a I was born in Mexico in a small hacienda punch, Avia, family and all that. But in the sixties you were that's where and how long were you in Mexico, as a kid, I believe the my first five years were strictly there, I don't have a lot of recollection, obviously very young. But I came here at, at the young age is somewhere between the age of four to six years of age. My mother had already been living here had a kid here. So she brought me to this country, obviously, at the time was against my will because I didn't know anybody. But my grandparents at the time. And so I came here and natural not for forgive me. I was the wrong word I became a legal permanent residents seventy one, but I had already been here for years prior to that on visas. So in seventy one, I became illegal permanent resident, and you know, so from seventy one through the time I turned sixteen years of age, I'd already gone through, you know, the whole American system, you know, going through the elementary school, where you advise. Is that where you were? Yeah, I came to Venice. Santa Monica Culver city initially at lived there for the first fifteen sixteen years of my life. And then I had moved to a different city at that time I enlisted at the age of sixteen when I was a year later. Yeah. So that was like late seventies early eighties. Seventy nine seventy Nakai so you enlist sixteen and and what what branch? Army, but I didn't go in for one year because you couldn't go into your seventeen. So I had to have my mother sign a form that, she agreed that because I was a minor that I can go in, so I signed, what they call it when you're delayed entry program, so at the age of seventeen soon as I was seventeen in about three months. They shipped me off to for the army know that you were legal permanent resident. I guess they did at the job. I don't remember. I I'm not I'm not I'm not an expert in army recruiting an immigration status of the late. Seventies. It was, you know, I it was a very ignorant time if if you if I can re- all because nobody spoke about it. Nobody talked about it. All they tell you is that he joined the military you're gonna be a US citizen and you know you're gonna fight for this country. So the reason I joined at such a young age is because I wanted to give back to this country for what it had given me for so many years. So I did it out of patriotism. I didn't do it for the swimming bowls in the travel, you know, I did it because I love this country because, you know, this was going to be my home forever. So how long did you serve in the army? Then. Six years, total. I did a little over three years active duty. I went between fort sill Oklahoma, which is a travesty right now, by the way, we'll get into that. If you like so forth, Oklahoma was basic training. And then he sent me to Virginia for schooling what they call AIT and from there. They shipped me right off to Germany for about a year and a half almost two years and came back and left active duty at four of four Bragg North Carolina with the eighty second airborne division. And then I reenlisted for active reserve duty so that we can warrior two weeks that year earth for another three years. Yeah, I did my six year commitment. Okay. So then what did you do? So then the obvious question people who probably listening to this. It's like. Why did you become a citizen? What was the problem, you know, I did well for one thing, your your, your kid, you're ignorant at that age specifically in those times when nobody really spoke about immigration things immigration implications immigration, you know, a changes from one status to another. So I didn't know for one, and I had learned something throughout the learned a little bit about it while I was there and had signed some papers, which to be honest. I don't know whatever happened to them signed a bunch of documents and nothing ever came from it. I didn't know anything open toll, you know, years later, that I was in the US it is in, but, you know, those were the promises that the recruiters give you as, as you sign these papers man, you're going to be a US. It is in everything's gonna be honky Dory, but that was the case. Fast forward now to two thousand thirteen teen. You coming out of your your you've served your time and you and you say that ice was waiting for you. Well, yeah. See, see, I actually like to beg. I'm asking the questions because I wanna make sure that. I understand I try to cover as much as I can while we talk and so you, you, it's as you man. So do what you need to do church. Yes. So prior to getting to the immigration system. I was actually at the fire count. For almost three years, maybe not actually over three years, and I was a firefighter, and, and while I was there, I was the head of the maintenance department for the prison system. So they were like shipping MIR a all over the place fixing all their stuff. So I did a lot of great stuff for the prison system, and they were very very crisis in. Really? They treated me. Well, so I have no qualms about that hiked a lot put out a lot of forest fires. So you come while you were incarcerated. Oh, yes. Sure, I was freighter Rome in run away, anytime I wanted. But we got we were for. I was a firefighter for the. Our street veteran. And now you're you were a forest fire and you and you put out forest fires in California, in the last couple of like in the last eight year. Whatever, yeah. Yes. Since since about two thousand ten I went into training for this for the program through the prison system while I was doing all these other seminars stuff. And yeah, I went they sent me to a one of the many fire camps in the northern California area. Just south of the Oregon border, and yeah. There, I did a lot of great great stuff a I'm gonna be honest. I loved what I did in, in the system because I actually got to build things got the use my engineering skills, and to do a lot of great things for the prison system, and they greatly. Appreciate is a matter of fact, I was just a couple of days ago. Contacted the camp where I was at a con. Completing right? Emil ladder of character reference letters role in support. Yeah. So, yeah, I put out forest fires. I you know, in while I was there ice had initially from the time I got into the state prison system. Red flag may because of a Hispanic surname, so almost immediately going into the prison system ice had red flag may because I'm you know, Mark Mario Martinez. So I'm Hispanic even though I most charge charge what you were also convicted for a crime to and, you know, ice, correct, the cower visited, they didn't know ice did no prison system that alerted them. So at that time the prisons were in collusion with the INS DA would tell people would probably would probably happen is at the prison system was working with ice. And they flagged you as someone who is a legal, you know, who had an immigration web run. Your status was being questioned in and you go on a file on ice, you know, a new become part of you become a number. Yeah. Incur in rightly so I, I didn't lie I told him straight out who I was, I could have said, no, I was, I'm an American citizen. I you know, I tend to be an honest guy sometimes to a fault. And so I I was very upfront. Honest about who I am what my life was about what I did. And you know and that's what got me into the situation. So come Jin a June twenty thirteen even before that, while I was in the fire Kemp system. They got a letter from ice state net. They're going to slowly move me down south fall from the northern California area all the way down to the San Diego area through round the chino than they took me to El Centro, Cala Patrie prison. Which is a I believe the last stop before ice picks up of transit down for basically legal you're being transferred from northern California from the fire game. And then you were starting to be brought down to places. Are closer is facilities down sack for now. Yes, sir. That's exactly what happened. So come my day of being released from the prison system. I got picked up and shackled like an animal I was at more shackles on me while while they picked me up than, than I did while I was in prison in prison system os free to roam wherever I wanted the fire camp. You know, I used to have a driver's license for the fire camp system to drive their vehicles. Wherever I wanted, you know within the camp systems, but not when, when the ice knuckled me me through that. So you're being released from the prison. Did you even see? Were you even like you know, not to romanticize like prison releases? But you always see the guy who comes out of the prison gate and, you know, looks at the sun is like I'm out. Did you even have a moment to have a moment to taste or did they literally just take the prison and shackle? You. They took me right out of the holding cell, the releasing area. Whatever you wanna call that shackled me on my feet. My hands might my waist like an animal and took me into the ice detention center and strip me of everything else that I had because obviously, these people are not humane, as you can see in a lot of the articles that are out there. They took everything I had and wanted to dispose of all of my property, which I fought them for that at the time. So yeah, they took me directly from the prison to another prison, and I remained there for seven months fighting Mike. In writing was saying throw in the detention center. Attention. We're, we're talking like late two thousand fourteen two thousand thirteen two thousand fourteen then. To June two thousand thirteen through January twenty January tenth January tenth of twenty fourteen is when I won I fought and won a bond with the color Rodriguez bond case. And I put ice studied immigration law throughout the whole time, I was in learned the ins and outs of fought daily with these people for just regular just to be treated human me was you. You. I'm stuck when you just told me that I was treated better in California penitentiary system than I was in an ice detention facility. What's the difference? When it mean what would they do for six or seven months in that detention center that makes you feel, what would they do what they do have is a bunch of idiots inexperienced. The kids local area, mainly Hispanic, obviously, in that area kids who have no training of early got some kind of security job that try to. Manipulate treat people like you know, like garbage. I can go on and on about that, but it was a worse experience being in immigration detention than it was being in the California prison system. Because there is they treat you know, you come out, they color, code you, if you're if you come out of prison, you come in bright red uniform, and you're, you're like a murder they lump in anybody and everybody in red. If you come out of the prison system. If and they have different groups of people, you know, some are caught on the border, who get brought in the system. So the medical cases, are like white guys who get caught on the border and get put into or crossing the border come in and blue I was in red. So there's like maybe four color codes, and they treat you like crap. I mean, they know respect they talk down to you like you're an animal, and does so, well, a lot of the prisoners that go into the detention system, even though I try to get myself reclassified by trying to help them out. Do certain maintenance things in this and yeah, they wouldn't have it because I was a prisoner, even though they had a lot of respect for me, solely because of the fact that, I'm you know, I'm no dummy. And so if you allow them or older. And, and you know, you were probably someone that they don't see a lot right in where they were drag while naral they, they see a lot of men coming out of prison. My I was I was probably one of the older gentlemen there. So I got my I got my respect being the whole prison system situation. But it yeah, you get you get very little respect you get treated like a dog, and they chain you up everywhere you go the medical the medical system. There is of a more. I'm seeing right now about children being sick and baby's surprise you like other. Now where and you went to nice detention center and you and you go, yeah. I mean, I saw firsthand always with going on six years ago when I was there five years ago when I was there, I and it's more prevalent now it's even worse with this administration. How they're treating human beings like dogs. Scary. So okay, two thousand fourteen you get your bond. Do you get a, a hearing? I is this the first hearing coming up on the twenty six eight you've literally waited went just give me the, the next couple of years. So we get to, to the hearing what it is. It's like okay, so I, I did a bond of prior to that. I had hired in Terni of one of the willow that they call a pro Bono attorneys. It's a bait and switch situation. A dog and pony show at the court system because there really is no way out. It's a it's a deportation mill. But so I was lucky enough that I got such a crappy attorney that I fired him, and he fired me, he wrote a motion to dismiss himself as my attorney because I was not willing to put up with this shenanigans about conceding deportation. So takes four thousand dollars of our money that just an okay while he's deportable your honor, get rid of him. Whatever that's essentially what they do. And so during that period, I was lucky enough to fire him which reset my clock which allowed me to put together a, a, a, a binder of information for an attorney that my mother hired to do a bond case with the color Rodrigez bond case I won my bond case and was released next to that same evening on a ten thousand dollar retrieves bond. So this was a January twentieth. I believe fourteen now. Yeah. I had already spent, you know, six months or so in detention got out that evening. Drove to three does California, which was like you can't even imagine. It was like breathing a different kind of air leave in a facility to being out. It was like it was magical. It was a magical moment being released. So, you know, my parents, drove me to cerita does the very next day after leaving detention, I went to the DMV took my driver's license test went to the social security party got my social security card did everything I was supposed to do. And I was working a cold some old favorites in with the same company that had worked before before and within two weeks, I had a job at the same company that I was working with two thousand nine when I got in car. Serrated sentence. So I you know, these people were all all involved in my case during during during the criminal case situation. They all knew what had happened. I was very upfront and honest, with them about everything, and they were always, always there. Someone whom attended my court hearings, and very gracious people. They really cared a lot about me cared about the, the obviously, I did good work for him. So I left a lasting impression to the point where they rehired me when I came back, and I was working within a, a month after being rely, actually a little bit over a month after being released, but I get your feedback together. You're feeling good. You're feeling like, okay, I'm turned into everything was all I do. I think that this doesn't end in leading me to something. Well, y'know, essentially, yeah. Because I mean you know I had a court court hearings were. Changed. I was not supposed to be back while the first initial court hearing was a year later than they changed that he changed about two three times the I was not supposed to be in court until twenty August of twenty twenty and so I went to a what the us impose him for deported, veterans health, symposium back in April that same night after working with a few, it was a great thing over in hosted by UC Irvine. I'm sorry. Riverside. And the night I get home from that. I get a letter from d h s USCIS state net. I have a new court case. Penn dean. Yeah. This June twenty six. So you just got this letter April of this year. Yeah. Yeah. And you have a you have hearing Ted hangs on Monday Wednesday twice. So what are you? Longwood. I did well, unfortunately because of the immigration laws and that are currently in place, even though there's a lot of. You know, a lot of stuff going on for deported veterans right now. I apply for a governor's pardon several times, once in twenty seventeen which nothing panned out there that was through the ACLU, then I decided to do it on my own, and I applied a reapplied for a governor's pardon. With the with the new governor Gavin Newsom awesome guy, by the way. And I, I got a letter back from them that they had received my application, and I put together a hundred and twenty five page document of my life to include immigration prison. My, my work ethics you name it. I put it all together, and I had help from several individuals that, you know, within the deported veterans groups that are out there. One is brandy dud sick. And the other one is Hector bras, which I'm sure you've heard of him. He I know Hector we had actor on before she's helped me. Yeah. He's helped me a lot God getting the contacts. And, and brandy also, she's an awesome woman who's helped me through this whole thing. We talked each other a lot almost daily and I talked to Hector all the time he actually lives pretty close to me about ten minutes from me. He lives incompetent my live in Downey area. So we talk all the time and, you know, we are we help each other out, and if he needs help with something I do whatever they need, and, and I hope to be more involved with this, you know, God willing night, when did you send that to the governor? Are they even considering it before the twenty that I don't know? But I they I did receive a letter from the governor's office. What they call the pardoned and team, which is a board of the board of the prison system board. I don't know what the heck they call them, but they ended up board of parole hearings. And so they. Ended up the pardon team for the governor sent me a letter saying that they had received my application and I have been supplementing that up the application with letters from organizations. I actually got to endorsements one from congresswoman Nanette baragan of the forty fourth district, which is by district, and also Mr. of Fletcher, home icon. Can I forget, he's a San Diego Representative? Yeah. So he ended up giving me a second endorsement for. Doing the work you're going in. But you could be deported on Wednesday. I mean you could be Mexico on Thursday. I mean I am I not being known. That's always the possibility. Yeah. I mean you know with this administration. I mean, they could have got a whole different directive from Trump to say, hey listen, I don't care who it is. What what it's all about. He's out now. So let me ask you this. Let me ask you this before we because I know you want to make a final point. But, but you haven't been Mexico since you were five I've been, you know. I, I mean, like besides visiting, but you mean like living. No, no. So we're talking visited. We're talking like more than fifty years. Right. We're talking about him. No. Not at all. I've actually visited a handful of times that's about it. I mean yeah, it's been over to not even hit you does that even hit you that I could be living in Mexico. It's scary, but, you know, I'm a strong individual. So I take everything with a grain of salt again. It's a scary thing to, to know that tomorrow or Thursday. They could revoke my bond and they can say you know what? Screw you man. You're gone, but obviously, there is some due diligence, and I'm not going to let them do that to me immediately. I will go right back into detention and continue to fight. If I'm ost before I let them just railroad me into something. I mean, I, I served this country honorably you know, I, I may peacetime veteran I was not a you know, combat veteran, you know, not full no fault on my own. You still use. You still. You still served in Germany? Yeah. Again, you know I try. Again. You know, I try. I trained every day to, to, to kill that's what they taught us, you know, you, you, you did it during the time of, you know, when people thought we were going to blow each other up, we've racked, exactly. And, you know, believing that, you know, I, I don't think he's that was very real. Yeah. Whenever right. Very. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like you say you're peacetime veteran. But all I can remember is, you know, we were going to be invaded by the Russians in eighty. So you're, you're, you're out. You're literally our first front. Definitely. Yeah. And we actually guarded the, the Czech border, man, we were out there with weapons. And you know on a rifles with scopes there looking at us, you're looking at them. And, you know, we were always under the fear like any any day, anytime now we can, you know, we can be invaded in nuclear warheads are going to be flying. You know, so that's what so I've your last. Yeah. It said the last. So we've talked for a while. Why your story? Why fight this? Why do you feel you? You've mentioned that the, the administration or, but you've also been, you know, you will also were detained under a different president. So you've been this has been an ongoing story for you is what, how does your story, you know, I guess the question the final question I'll have for you. Is. You've seen this progress, and you've already mentioned that, you know, this is what we're seeing now is horrific. How do you feel when in this battle? How do you feel personally, you know, I, I feel patriotic still to this country? I love this place. I mean I when I joined the military, I joined it with I was wholeheartedly into it. I mean, I, I did it out of patriotism, because I'm I knew that someday, I was going to help children born here, and I wanted them to have a good life. And I was willing to do whatever it took. And you had you have kids. I'm sorry, aiming and ask you Jeff item. I do. I do. I do have two two boys thirty in twenty twenty eight and I have a beautiful granddaughter twos. About six years of age at the moment. So does that you know that fear of leaving them impact you? More than anything in this world. I mean, you know, me on, you know, being on my own in a strange place. I've done it. I've been there, but leaving my family, you know, and being exiled from the only place that I know is my home is, is horrific. It's the scary part about it is, is that this is what this country has turned out to be, and, you know, it's, it's I'm afraid for my kids, and my grandchildren. My future generations with an administration like this that would if they can do that, to a man who was willing to put his life up for this country. What are they willing to do to people who aren't who haven't who these people that are suffering? I got one more thing today. I want to target. True story. I want to target to separate occasions at the within five minutes of each other. I heard ladies talkin about the what to do and what not to do about it during the raid and this one little Hispanic ladies, teaching another lady, she's looking at her phone, and they're reading to each other, the do's and don'ts of how to protect yourself, and she's feeding it to her in Spanish, unlike want honest to God, it brought a tear to my eye to believe that this shit is going on in this country that these people are living in total fear. Humans who are not being cared for in, in detention systems and normal everyday people that I walk around, and who were literally afraid that something horrific is going to happen to them. Like, you know, people take us all you're going to get deported. But if you've been here, fifty years, your life, it is an exile that is far worse. I would rather do five more years in prison, and live the rest of my life here than than to be deported. You know, I just. Horrific. Hey, Mario Martinez. Mario martinez. I, I really wanna thank you for sharing your story opening up after a couple of tough questions. I just feel like it was just important to tell your story, please keep us posted. And you know, where to find us a about your hearing, and, and what you guys are doing. Next steps, but we, we definitely wanna fall your story. But thank you again for being on Latino rebels radio. Thank you so much, sir. And I appreciate the time that you give me a good day. Bye. 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665: Habits | Richie Nortons financial advice - learn how to make money
"Welcome to the Ziglar show. I'm your host Kevin Miller. And this is our habits show. What are the habits of a guy who's famous for inspiring people to do something stupid, whether pre stellar and we showcase how Richie Norton is redefining stupid as the new smart. My favorite spoke on the Ziglar wheel of life. From Ritchie was number four financial he says better than budgeting. Learn how to make money to guy after my own heart right there number six was interesting career in business his opportunity requirement. If he's looking at something is he must be able to do it all a his cellphone Swiss family can stay flexible and mobile, that's a major value in their lives. The fist spoke is spiritual. It was really interesting to me, and we unpacked it more was Richie's perspective of loving God. Unconditionally? It's a little different twist on how we usually look at unconditional love. To put it toward God. So join us. 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I I when he do if you do that let me know on Facebook sent me a message with your username that used after leaving review, and I'll send you a free copy of zig and Tom's Ziegler's book born to win. Okay. Friends. Here are the healthy habits of Richie Norton. All right Ritchie was starting right off here on the the Ziglar wheel of life. The first one is the physical side, and you know, physical and nutrition. What are the things the healthy habits? You employ their, and I could make some guesses being that you're the beach guy with the beach life and physical side. So let let us know what you're doing. Well, I mean, it's funny. I always feel like I could be stronger and and healthier. You know, all all the things. Yeah. And I I knew exercise important all those things I'm not dedicated going out and running or things like that. What I do this is this is real I go to the beach every single day. I know people not everyone can do this. But I'm as I so I work a lot from my cell phone. So I probably I guess I look it up, but I'm getting my ten thousand steps in everyday just by working on my cell phone, sending emails texts social media. Taking phone calls. Always walking. Well, it on the beach around in circles around my table at my m I house was raining know constantly doing that. And for me, I like exercise when it's fun. So it's more. I do something fun that happens to exercise which might be surfing or going on a hike and catching chameleons the mountains of seen pictures of you doing that are videos you guys doing that. Yeah. So it's more that my wife is better at doing like, a routine and. As as far as eating. I I'm aware of what you know, worked fry body doesn't work. So when I do eat things aren't necessarily good for my body. But I wanna anyways I recognize that I'm doing that. Right. Was that of mindlessly doing it must? I don't do it. I was saying that mindlessly doing it. I know what I'm doing which helps me curb it right it much as possible. But I tend to try and eat more. Lean meats, get more fat from the things I've been studying more vegetables and just trying to avoid things that are white like sugars and breads and things like that. Everyone's is thrown. But for me, I try to keep it easy on myself to try and stay I don't think I like that at least being aware of what you're doing. I did that last week. I it was a day that I couldn't not do great pizza, and I exactly it was Glennon, dairy and everything and I just. It was good for my soul for sure. All right next. One is kind of family friends relationships is a the things that you do and it could be your obviously your immediate family. And I know that your wife your partner, your three boys are that's what you're there for. So what are the things that you're employing to keep your guys relationships? Well, and if there's things you're doing to nurture relationships outside of your immediate family is way. So, you know. So you know, my dad he was an entrepreneur, and he was busy. But he would always coach my team sports. And that was his way it always going to be there for us. You know to coach our team sports, we had to be together for practice for games and everything else that went with that. I started coaching my team my kids, it's Wirtz, and they would always just mouth off to me. And I realize this isn't gonna work very, well if I'm the coach. Right. So because you think time with him didn't work as well as I thought, but I do try. It's more about being available. Take my kids to school the morning, bringing them back home doing the home school thing. If we want was doing right now, and for me quality time generally is quantity time. Just being there literally doing nothing sometimes just listening, and especially when they were little though, I did realize the more time I was with them on my cellphone meant nothing to them even worse than just hiding in an office away. Right. But ten minutes on a trampoline with them was the world. So sometimes quality time really is just not having your cell phone. So my wife, and I we tried to do as many date nights. We can. And maybe it's not nights. Sometimes it's during the day. Sometimes it's breakfast. But we we don't wanna be two ships passing in the night. So we're constantly talking about big goals where we wanna go where we're going what we're doing in more civically how we can help our kids develop the things that they want to do. I don't know. I could probably share more details. But that's kind of the gist of it. All I get that from just. Yeah. The social media stuff videos, you put out that you guys do life so connected -ly as a family, and we we really try we really try to do things together. And and understanding that we are individuals and have other things we want to do. So it's not always having to be stuck together in a car for six months, which which we've done, you know, you wanna kill each other. At that point. You know, what I mean like these things happen you bring your problems on the road with you. It's also letting the supporting the individual in their own goals, and that becomes. Bond. Yeah. All right. Thank you, mental is the next one the things that you consistently employ to keep yourself, mentally well, mentally sharp, where you wanna be from a mental emotional level. I listened to like this might sound weird by I listened to happy music. And I mean, like even music from my high school days like anything that gets my juices flowing somehow, I can pull me even out of a bad mood or a bad thought. I know some people can't think with may have sound I think better when I have a beat in the background for some reason, you know, call me crazy. So music music helps me at tub when I am feeling Dan own things or super hard. I also especially especially since we've experienced the death of so many people in our family stroke for my wife son, getting hit by a car like we've had things that have spiraled this way way way down. And there was a grief pamphlet that I read that said, it's a tunnel. Not a cave. And so I realize it's okay to feel bad and to allow myself to feel bad because when you're when you are going through grief, especially you start punishing yourself feeling bad, which isn't good, and you even punished yourself or feeling good when bad things have happened. So I've learned to kind of let myself feel acknowledged those feelings that sometimes helps me just acknowledging it get out of it. And also realizing that life's a roller coaster and also with the concept that a bad day should turn to about a week turn to a bad turn to a bad year turned to about life, you know, recognizing that a bad day. You can't get out. So bring it out of that tunnel analogy if you stop walking in that tunnel, it it could become a self-imposed cave you keep walking. And it's not about moving on people will say move on. Oh, these people were hard times or things have happen to you. They're part of you or they can make you in you should think through it in a positive way. It's about moving forward and taking those experiences somehow turning them into a positive flight. Man. I love that analogy that'll stick with more people than just myself that grief, bad feelings or tunnel, not a cave, or at least. It'd be financial is the next one. And being a lifetime entrepreneur. I'm sure you've had some ups and downs there. What are some of the things that you have done in due to keep you guys? Well, financially. Look, man, they were they were times where we were this not even a joke. We were collecting cans out of. Trash cans at parks to recycle them to get money for gas. You know, at least we had a car, right? You know, these are these are things we have to kind of remember are the good things. We have the ship is is ups and downs. And to me, I try to reduce financially who my business lead try reduce much over as possible. So I don't have to try and figure that out in about sales. But at the end of the day, financially one thing that helps us having a separate Bank account. Not just for your business and your personal even separate one for savings even in another institution because of its in your regular banking account. Even if it's checking and savings, you're gonna use it. Right. If it's out of sight outta mind you can move it. So it's nice move over ten percent or whatever somewhere else of where possible on top of that rainy one out there who has a job. And can obviously lose it or not newer who can lose it all the key really just understanding how to make money if you know, how to make money you can be as euro or less and the next day be positive and way pause. Patient piece of your business model, I think is more important to me than knowing how to use any budget or spreadsheet. Okay, one. I love that. Because I agree with it in a resumes with me to I don't think I've ever heard that. I don't know how many habits shows I have done. But generally, we talk about we talk about budgeting and whatnot. And I love that. Because I am not good at budgeting. I'm not good at finances. I'm not even good at math anything anything. But no hers kind of gives me highs. And yet, I do know from day one. Thanks to my parents is I know how to make money. It's all about I can go do that doesn't mean that I always make a billion dollars. But if we gotta go whatever it is figure out, you know, Brandon cans out trash game. Whatever figure out how to make money go to I thank you for that. Definitely you one quick story about this. When I was sixteen. My I told my dad I wanted to job. And my dad says you don't wanna job you're not allowed to get a job. Like, what are you talking about? That's the worst dad ever, right? I mean as far as getting jobs, and it was summer. And so we said, no, no, no, you don't want a job. He said from San Diego. He said go to El Centro to the watermelon patches in his he legitimately said ask the farmers for if you can I from them their irregular sized watermelons nice. Okay. So me, and my my fourteen year old brother, we got like the the seats out of the family, the Android El Centro bought sold up. Our van full of watermelons thing is like seriously hitting the ground. We got them for next to nothing, and I go home, and it's for the July coming up. So we call our friends parents we called friends that we where we stood probably fell bad for us. Whatever who knows we are at the park doing it. We sold all the watermelons, and we made more money in one day that I would've made the entire summit summer working minimum wage, and that taught me you don't have to trade time for money. And if you do at least, you're recognizing what you're doing. And that there are ways to make money if you're resourceful use what you have where you are. Again, I think we were separated at birth, man. That was that was my that was my folks as well. They never told me how to get a job. They told me how to do something when you were doing that. I was Tintin windows on cars and make an at that point depending on the job. You know, thirty fifty bucks an hour. That's back when minimum we were just talking about this with my boys back when minimum wage was three dollars and seventy five cents. Which is nothing tells me like tells you old it's hard. That's hard. It's so hard. You know, it's a hard knick spoke is a spiritual that side of the faith based part of your life, the spiritual side of your life. What's happening there? Unbeliever Jesus Christ. And I. Served a mission in in Brazil, a member of the church is Christ latter-day saints in my my whole like purpose in life, really is more or spiritual. I think everything the same way everything we create spiritually becomes physically. I think the things we do physically are our spiritual in nature. And so for me aside from just believe it's really a more more about regardless of faith, regardless of beliefs, regardless of your agnostic or atheist. It's honestly about love when when my and I'll just say that just randomly when my son when brother-in-law pass away, then my then my son passed away, and then my wife gets a stroke. And then our three foster kids leave us, we it was a failed, adoption, I mean, I've literally had seven kids and now I'm down to three and a on my son got hit by a car. The string of tragedies. Like you start to question. God a little bit like. What why me and what is going on? And I took a moment of think logically. And I thought these things aren't attached to each other. They may all happen to my family and me, and my wife or babe it basically two people attached to but they're not attached. Like, my son didn't pass away because my brother in law passed away. My kid didn't hit hit by a car because my wife they're separate. And then I realized this this is just a stroke of I dunno personal revelation where I just thought love God unconditionally. And you know, we're always taught, you know, in the bible and things, you know, like like love others love unconditionally. And we're taught the word loved unconditionally. But we don't talk much I love in God unconditionally. In fact, we blame him, and we also tell ourselves we're less than or we wonder if he exists when bad things happen. And so my my new recognition is no it's unconditional love to God. Even if the most terrible things happen to me in my life. Why when I finally did that not only it was my faith in a father heaven stronger, but I was able then to go to work and fix my own problems. Because I wasn't blaming anyone for my problems. Well, there's a root cause of pretty much everything wrong. And all our lies. I love that perspective. Man. That's I don't think I've ever heard heard that as well. We talk about love and other people and even ourselves conditionally, but we love guide. Okay. I'll be chewing on that. In my morning, motions. Thought it came out for a lot of pain that cave. Cave, profound Richie and thanks to these sponsors for bringing us today show. Here's a great quote about the importance of customer service because the customer has a choice. We must be a better choice because the customer has sensibilities. We must be considering because the customers hike speculations. We must excel because the customer has influence we have the hope of more customers because of the customer, we exist. This is why fan about it. 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And so the reason I use it because it means so much more. It means I can do it from anywhere. And whenever which is also a terrible thing. Get away from it. But I don't think anybody at work normal job nine to five and get away from me either because of the internet so you gotta play certain boundaries. So logistically, I want to be able to do it from anywhere wherever and then as far as like keeping it real with my family. I'm not the best at it. But I do try to place. Kelly would always use the example of big rocks enough you've seen that you'll have like a jar. There's rocks and sand and water. If you he says fill up the jar with as much as you can't if you put the sand in the little rocks in the big rocks. The big rocks won't fit. But if you start with the big rocks than the little rocks, and then the sand seeps in everything fits, so what I've learned is to take those big rocks. But those big goals it put them. I the reason this is important is because like with the Prado principle the eighty twenty rule if a Senator results come from twenty percent of what you do. We won't talk about is. If you just do the twenty percent, you will have eighty percent more time. You don't have to do the eighty percent. So what's what's bizarre? Is this happened? Just this morning. What's bizarre is I'll post something about how much time I have. And they go you're so busy because I do have multiple businesses. I mean, I haven't editing team editing videos for loggers hell over a million followers daily. We're doing hundreds of videos among either company, creating the most bizarre products every everything like I mentioned on our other show from books for John Lee Dumas, a a new blog Inc. Stick called the switch pod. For Pat Flynn and just raise over three hundred thousand dollars in three weeks on Kickstarter where making teepees for teeth tiny kid teepee company called Teini's teepees were making jewelry making clothes for brands. Raking? How do you deal is Richie? I doubt systems systems. So I find this all together for more less interview. Because time is so important to me and the ability to use your time how when and where you want whenever you want every want is. Is so important to me that I literally build businesses that helped my friends who don't have time have time. So I took the editing piece away from bloggers, I took the how of creating physical products from people. I took the thinking through a business model away from my consulting company. And you're like, well that doesn't take up all your time. No systems outsourcing asked to call it three things project stacking work, batching expert, sourcing and these things together. Help me expand time increase the freedom. Ecosystem things we didn't talk on the other. But I actually literally have a system to extend time in not like globular freedom. Excellent. Interrupt us was I can't quite it's cut off. What's the science behind you? I'm curious. So this is I think it's an apple quote across the is it my. It's going to go dark the ones who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones that do. Okay. Beautiful. Yeah. Thank you. Couldn't let it go ever-present trying to peek under it, but that doesn't work on. Yeah. Thank you. That's another one across from me with a picture, it just black and white a little unicorn, and it says the important thing is that I believe in myself. Unicorn wins. I love is my girls because I got little girls and they love unicorns and do that. Personal is the last one here. And this is the I usually cash it under the, you know, the fun the hobbies the play the things that you do that make you the best Richie. You can be for your family for sales. No, that's that's really the things that, you know, fill me up nerve on the saw. So for me. I I love surfing. And I wish I I will just go more and go with my kids more. But it's always there. I love that. I have at least as they are for me. So I I really love surfing. I love walking my dog and let him run around like a maniac is really fun for me. He's good. He stays by me subsets. But the things that really fill me up or just hanging out with my wife, literally doing nothing like you look my wife meeting outside. You're like, oh, always doing so much time so much fun. I I actually look really lazy. And I liked that. I take naps. I sleep in. I stay up late. I'm not doing all the success happens. Everyone says to do I get enough sleep? The my brain allows me, which isn't that many hours? And I just focus on big projects in the other things kinda fall the place. I just kind of flip the whole idea of linear thinking on its head in a works. But what really gets me excited honestly is going to sound weird. I really love answering questions, and I really love questioning others. And I really love like getting people to think I really love most of all helping other people achieve their goals. There is some kind of high for me intrinsically, even if it doesn't affect me, you have not paying me helping someone do it. And when they do they're like look what I did. And I go that's cool by Faulk everywhere. I go becomes a part of me. And I think everyone who does something I've touched somehow. Just feels good to have influence. You know what I mean? Yes. I do. All right. That surfing is one of all the physical things that I love and enjoy do. I've never done that. And I remember I interviewed guy Kawasaki, man. That's his that's his Joe right there serving. So I gotta come to Hawaii and surf you meant. Thank you. Okay. I'll take you there. It's on record. Thanks again for taking time with us for giving us behind the scenes and just sharing your your heart and your habits with us richest gift. You're so welcome. I honestly love you. This is a very cool cool experience for me. I appreciate it. Likewise, brother. Friends I trust. You are extra inspired to go. Do something. Stupid and get your daily habits for success in order again connect with Richie at Richie RICO. HI Norton in RT O, N dot com. I'll let you know what's coming up next and just a moment. On is taking the running scene. By storm is the fastest growing running brand in the world based around the radical idea of St. road, gravity running on clean and minimalistic design as well as its sole technology gives you this insane of running on clouds and I can personally attest to that feeling as I adore my cloud. Venture trail running shoes you'd see picks on my Facebook page. Try pair bonds for yourself for thirty days and put them to the test. 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It had increased six percent will the responses were profound and hit on things like life, disconnection, lack of hope social media relationship issues health higher power opioids breakdown in the family isolation. Self image loss of identity. Tolerance and love and the question or belief of is there an enemy, the devil corporate greed is anything at work against you sounds kind of negative doesn't it? But knowing what you're up against and how people are dealing with it is incredibly valuable. That's the focus of this show. Tom Ziegler, join me and really dug in till then thank you as always for letting me walk with you as we inspire are true performance together.
175: Happenings Vol 3: This Is America What if you had their knee on your neck?
"This is actually happening. Features real experiences that often include traumatic events. Please consult to show notes for specific content warnings on each episode and for more information about support services. They were there to remind me who i was in the world and it hurt too much on the inside being hurt on the outside. Didn't matter as much and they're definitely come times when you're like look i'm not gonna eat this shit. I would rather be beaten from wondering missile line. You're listening to this is actually happening happening. This is america. One seventy five. What if you had their need on your neck. Today's episode is brought to you by madison reed. for decades. women have had two options for colouring. Their hair outdated at home color or the time and expense of a traditional salon. Now it's time to take coloring your hair at home to the next level with madison reed the ideal to this lawn with next level. Hair-color you can do it home. 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A mother and all of her sisters were from there as well. My mother was a single mother. I i didn't actually meet my father until i was thirty. And she moved a lot to a bunch of different places brawley el centro hope bill and then eventually she got a better job and we landed in pamona. i went to kingsley. Elementary school in pomona. And my two best friends were brian and michael. They lived pretty close arrived and every morning. We walked to school together. I really enjoyed that because my mother was gone. When i woke up like that was something that was really difficult for me to get over because i would wake up to an empty house. I would be scared a lot. But when i was with my friends i wasn't scared. So during the course of brian. Michael and myself hanging out a lot. We ended up finding an old richard pryor album. And i think his parents house so one day when we were kind of enough. You know brian the oldest he put it on and we just sit there and giggled and like many kids. We would copy album. You know. fuck you motherfucker. Fuck you win you know and the next day at school. This is exactly what we did. We walked to school. And we copy richard pryor. You know fuck you nego- you shut up you punk ass and we're just laughing and when we get to school. We are escorted directly to the office. And i didn't know what was going on and we were told that we were being suspended. I don't think i really found out why into the mothers. Got there and when the mothers got there. There was a lot of anger from them. I think they were very angry. More importantly my mother was very angry. Because you she had league work and i'm pretty sure she was hourly so she had to take an hour off that just less pay and she was extraordinarily angry screaming the office and we just kind of set there but in the end the suspense stuck and we had to go home and once we got home our mothers talked about it and the kind of general thrust of the conversation was why people are going to do with white. People are going to do and you can't really do anything about it. It does nothing for me but make me angry. Now's a kid by. I don't think i would have relieved fully understood discussion but if there is no discussion then anger just grows and kind of festers and have that sense of you know something. That is distant unjust. That can still reach out and hurt you. I can't remember how long it was but probably a couple of weeks. I was afraid walking to school. And i would walk to school in the same way and i would look around and i would try to get a sense of you know who was the person that paul that you know kind of hurt me. Because i didn't know which house you know. And i would just be very very scared and after a while. I don't want that fear and so quickly understood that if i walked to school and i looked at these houses as if they were enemies and i didn't like them that i didn't have to be afraid i can just carry that anger with me and i did. I don't remember how old i was. But i remember that i woke up and my mother was as a kid. She was what are called work tired. And i wanted to go play with a friend so soon. She woke up her eyes open and said can we go to so and we went to drains house. Germain wasn't there and so there was a kid down the street. Who's playing with the football. I look down there. And i asked my mom knows i cannot go down there and play and weird because my mother and drains mother had a private conversation and i didn't really understand what they were doing but the kid down. The street was white. My mother was kind of asking her. Is it okay. If he goes down there and play really all this kid and i did was slain his front yard and it was just two kids kind of frolicking in the front yard but every so often his father would come from the garage and kind of poke his head outstanding watches and he would say damn. That is one fast nigger. I'm young. I didn't hear the word nigger what i heard. More than anything else was fast. And i wanted to be fast. I thought i was fast. I just took it as a compliment and later on my mother came down and pick me up and then sometime during that trip i told my mother wet. He had said that. I knew i was fast nigger and she immediately pulled over the car and she was angry and she started turn around whip around and go back and then she stopped again and turned around and went home and the weird thing was that when we got there you know she got home. She woke me and that was the thing. She told me she told me. Don't you ever let anyone call you. Nigger this was the first time that i think i realized that i was not just a kid that i was black. I didn't really understand it at all. I liked being fast. But i didn't. I didn't really understand what being a nigger meant. That didn't really kind of set into my brain until high school. I was angry at my mom. Beat me and i knew i couldn't do anything about that but it was just that message. Don't let anyone call you nigger and it. Was you know it was taught with pain. Because i had a single mother and she has of responsibilities than i have a lot of responsibilities because she can't handle all of that. I was afraid of making mistakes. As because i knew that came with more punishment if i was afraid and i ran out of the house without locking the door. A new house and give punishable home. If i was afraid i wasn't paying attention. I lost my key. I knew i was gonna get trouble when i came home. If i left the oven would be punished. But one of instances that. I remember very clearly where i'm sitting at the table and eating one of my favorite breakfast which is cream of week and my mother's rushing but she's rushing so she's doing two or three things at once and as i'm eating marquette we she comes over she starts to brush my hair but what she doesn't remember in. I don't really understand that. I had a haircut the previous day. So as i'm trying to eat cream of wheat she's rushing hair into my cream of wheat and i kind of knew that i was gonna get trouble the wings. Sorry but that was nothing. I could do and like if i if i if i told her that. There was hair in the food that i was going to get a woman. If i didn't eat the food i was gonna put when you bump up against those things over and over. You don't wanna be afraid to use whatever you have to use your anger to be stronger than you are. When you're afraid now in hindsight raising kind of a hyperactive child by yourself you know on a minimum wage job. That's incredibly stressful. incredibly difficult. but. I was really kinda surrounded by a certain kind of fear when i was younger. And the best thing that for me. That worked was to kind of fuel that anger. I'll still basically a pretty good kid. But i was very angry and i didn't really understand why i was being punished. Obviously hate when people hurt me but when people hurt me. And there's nothing that i can do to hurt them back. It's incredibly frustrating. You you feel. As if i felt as if i was surrounded and there was nothing that i could do and unjust authority in. My opinion has always been there to remind me who i am. I'll begin to see more unjust authority in the world. A lot and each step. I kind of used anger to get rid of that fear. If i was angry about something. I was less afraid and i started to get comfortable with that anger. I would walk to school sometimes. I will look at the houses. And i of feel the anger. You know royal in me and like yeah fuck you fuck you fuck you and i threw rocks i. You know i was prone to pick up things in the halles and hit walls with it and if people look at me as a danger then instead of being hurt by that. It's like you embrace it. Yeah i'm dangerous and a mike fuck you up. So don't look at me like that. My second grade teacher. Mrs frazier loved me. She was a black woman and i. Sometimes we run to school to show her. How work like i said. When i was younger my mother was gone to work when i woke up in the morning so many times. Miss frazier was kind of that substitute. And so i'll take my work and dog run to her and she would always be there. You know to hug me till mayor sparta's and are used to that. When i went to third grade and my teacher didn't really like me at all. I didn't know that my third grade teacher was racist. I just kind of assume she didn't like metering much so in the third grade. I was put in a special group because my second teach. Mrs frazier insisted that you put into this group but within that group. I think there was eight of us. And there was only two non white students within that group and at the end of third grade those an agreement made that every student within that little group in that class would get skip. The fourth grade provided they received all as the report card so i assume that i was going to be able to get because i had never seen a beat. Never misses fracture kind of came and talked to me about even though i was in third grade and she would tell me these stories about you know you're going to do this and you're gonna over college at fifteen and it's gonna be great and so i really wanted to skip the fourth grade. I really really did So when the report card came out straight cs in the only other person had straight. C's was vietnamese. Girling tweet and we both had straight c's everyone else's group had straight a.'s. And so we were not able to skip the fourth grade and that really really bothered me and there was really no conversation about it. It was really just you know it was kind of one of those things the white people are gonna do. A white people are gonna do. I was very lucky that sometime during that time as mother met my stepfather and sometime early during the fourth grade we i moved to germany with my step up and so i left that environment behind and and it was an incredible change. I for about four and a half years. I really live life probably very similar to most middle class. Kids you know. We took vacations Visited the netherlands belgium. Different places in germany's stood guard. Dot bomb all these different places and it was. It was wonderful and the mayor's did not work out and when we came back we move back to life because life is far away from pretty much everything and is very affordable. I grew up with my mother and her sisters listening to them. Talk about men and the one thing that they all talked about men that they couldn't stand was men that wouldn't work and i could hear often that they would say all he did this and he did this. He did this but he's got a job he gets up and goes to work every day and so that was really focused on that. I was kind of thrust into the role of adult. I ended up getting a job sometime during my freshman year in high school. And i've definitely been someone who has tried be a man in whatever way i thought i could and as a younger man that meant having a job and as i got older i started bumping into more unjust authority. It changed from having a job to being able to fight to being strong. Read while a child she would often give me books and so on long trips she would just give me a book and that happened at a young age and unfortunately for me probably around the time when i was twelve and in junior high and i quickly realized that young girls didn't pay attention to guys read books. Young girls typically pay attention to guys score touchdowns two guys score a lot of points that's probably would also lead me to try to cling to whatever masculinity. I could find. And i didn't think that you could do that with any sort of books or literature. I felt that it had to be done on the court on the field or inside of a ring or something like that. I really struggled with masculinity. Because i wanted to be strong all the time and a lot of these forces were invisible and some of them. I think obviously directly connected with race when you walk into a facility wherever it is people. Turn to look at you man. You're aware that you aren't supposed to be there. Don't really know what to do with those feelings. And if you're angry enough you just look at them and say fuck you. I'm here. I'll fuck what you think i would really think about that. If you don't like me i'm gonna whoop your ass so you know that i can help your eyes and it doesn't matter if you don't like and you know in high school not having a father i mean. I really wanted to be seen as strong. Today's episode is brought to you by better help. Is there's something in your life right now that interferes with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals. I know for me. 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And i didn't know what i was going to do with my life. A friend of mine told me he was joining the army because they're giving him twenty thousand dollars for college. And so i thought sounds good to me. We join the military together and we went to hawaii for three years. And when i joined the military. I made sure that everyone started calling me. Ej rather than eddie. I didn't wanna be eddie. More basic training. There was a couple instances when dressage in north. I think his name was. He would dog me quite a bit and one day he was. We were throwing hand grenades. I think on this day you know in the line to throw the grenade and he's dogging me telling me what an idiot i am in. I should be loyal to my country in your shit head and this and this and as we get closer i keep thinking about throwing this renate and by the time i get up there to throw the grenade i have the grenade my hand and i was pushed to the point where i was so afraid. I knew that. I would kill to get rid of this fear. And i turned to look at his drill sergeant and he is nowhere in sight. Nowhere you know thinking my head like best right motherfucker because i will take your life and then i just threw the renate and i knew i knew that he was afraid. I knew that he knew that if he was close to me i might take his life and that was one of the most powerful feelings i had ever felt before when i got a basic training i was more dangerous and unfortunately i i liked it. I liked looking at other people and understanding that they were afraid. It gave me the false reassurance. That i i wasn't afraid it was nineteen ninety one. I think when i finally got hawaii i wanna say i probably fought two or three times my first week. These are young guys in their all in many ways arrogant overconfident. And they're told that their killers and they're told that you know they're invincible in this sort of thing so guys get into fights it happens and then when i started to get trouble on bass i realized i needed to go to clubs off base and so i'm standing out in front of this club waiting for a guide to come to the door. Things name was steve. And i knew that if our waited prestige come to the door he would let me into the club. But steve wasn't on the door. And so i was standing outside of the club standing on wall and it's wall probably six or seven feet tall and the sidewalk has it. And as i'm standing there waiting for seemed to come to the door start you know waving some of the pretty girls walking by and me being me started cracking jokes trying to be a jokester on a clown and one of them. I assume told a cop. I see the cop walking down. But honestly i'm not really doing anything other than being you know somewhat of a nuisance kind of standing on wall so when he walks up to me and starts giving the orders. I don't really pay attention to him. I'm kind of kind of blowing him off my who you're talking to you. I'm to do anything wrong. Just kinda standing here. So he says jump down down and i started to say well move. You're not giving me any room. And then i'm making jokes like you need to give me a space where i can jump. And then he's he moved back. And i'm like you need to give me a circle where i can jump you know and people were laughing and i agree that i'm being a bit of a shithead but i'm not really breaking any laws but as soon as i jumped down. He grabs me and throws me to the pavement. It's difficult for me to explain exactly what was done. Because there's so much emotion wrapped up in it when i was standing on that wall kind of in some ways probably embarrassing the cop a little bit when i jumped down. He didn't say anything to him. He grabbed me and he threw me to the floor. I tried to get up and he jumped on top of me. You know turned me over and me to the ground. I'm yelling screaming. And i just remember more of the force and i get you know the treatment that many black men get. I'm on the pavement face down you know. Ns like my what. I what did i do to be in this particular position here. So you can just come and grab mean you rough me up and throw me on the ground. Push my face in concrete. Because you don't like what i said to you and the answer was pretty much. Well yeah and that is just very unsettling and i don't. I didn't know what to do with that. Except kind of try to bill. More anger up. I was told that. I should have obeyed orders. And you're telling me that. I need to be better so he won't do anything wrong anymore. When stuff like that would happen i would. I would feel powerless. I don't like the game of thrones. But i liked tyrian tyrian. Said never forget what you are the world will not what attitude is that. The world will not be kind when it reminds you who you are. I think what he was saying. I need to remind you who you are here. And who i am and it just it forces the blood boil and there's really nothing to do with it said drink and that's what i did. I think many black men have this experience. Where if you are trying to be a man you're trying to be masculine. There are forces that pop up and they say no. No no no. That's not who you are. This is who you are another instance. That happened in the same area. I i was actually in the bar and it was. It was a good night a lot of people dancing and drinking and having fun and there was a group of incredibly beautiful woman. Who's about three or four of them and they were sitting together and you know. During the course of the night you watch g. i after gi approaching and ninety eight percent which is shot down boom. Boom they're all they go to the table. All these guys were sent away. And i kind of figured i was going to be sent away to but i wasn't. I walked over and tapped this woman on the shoulder. And said you wanna and she said sure. And i went up to the dance floor and diverse slow song came on and i felt brave and i was a little drinking at the time as well and kinda put into me and got a quick kiss and we started dancing and after i did the island around the room and i noticed a lot of the guys looking at me and looking at us dancing and that was really intoxicating to being the guy that other guys looked at and said why can't that be me. I really really liked. That was a big component of what i thought. Masculinity was and after that dance i said. Did you wanna take a walk on beach. And she said sure so. We held hands and we started to walk towards the beach. As we're walking. I noticed that some of the guys that were angry the club had also came outside of the club. And they're not being too obnoxious. You know what i mean. There may be saying things here and there but they're just kind of making their presence known. And i asked her to put her arms around me my waist and this is how we were kissing so anyone who was looking could see that she was holding me and my hands were on the wall. I i very specifically wanted people to see that. And so you know we're kind of you know softly kissing and whatnot and i feel a tug on my shoulder brush it off and i feel another harder tug on my shoulder i turn around absolutely with an attitude and i turn around and kind of thrust myself into the face of the person who was pulling on my shoulder like what what and then as in his face. I realized that this is not one of the gosh from the club. Like this is a cop in. So i kind of and i'm kind of confused. I don't know why this guy's bothering me. And i kinda paused. And i look at him and i remember this. I took a step back. Remember this i took a step back. And then i repeated myself without as much anger but it was still still had an attitude took a step back and i said what and i think maybe i scared him when i turned around as quickly as i did but i didn't actually touch him. I looked to my left. I see three or four cops running towards us. And by the time i looked back towards him he had already hit me. He hit me and then i went to the ground and then at that point you know three or four cops they do and then there was a cost knee on the back of my neck one at my waist and other one holding feet against my knowledge. I haven't done anything wrong. And when i finally start to settle down in you know i'm not. I'm not struggling anymore. A one of the cops goes up to her and asked her he was like are you okay miss and i. I went into a rage. And i was like i remember screaming motherfucker. She okay. And then. I just i start trying to get up again. And i'm i'm trying to get to the cop that asked this question and again. I can't really be specific about some of the brutality of and obviously i was being hit as you know pulled and you know i'm really kind of in a way blind with rage. I'm incredibly angry and Once they subdue me again she goes back to her friends. And i'm left with these cops answering questions. And i just i. I never really got over that. Because it really let me know at least for me that i was never gonna be the man that i wanted to be. Because they weren't gonna let me. They were there to remind me who i was in the world. I never forgot that. That incident i really began to hate almost any authority at that point but specifically cops any authority and began this phrase. I'm that nigga. That i'm that nigga that and i would tell myself that i will tell other people that will anyone. I'm that nigga that you don't wanna fuck with. I'm that nigga that does this. i'm that nigga. That does that. And that very much carried over into after i got out of the military i saved up about five grand in the military and when i got out bought a honda prelude at the time i put red zone of course so about one hundred lewd enough rims on it and it was a nice car i was. I liked it and it kind of the attention that i wanted but it also ended up getting the attention of some police. I knew this girl and she had a friend. So i was taking my friend to her house to meet her friend and we were going to smoke weed and eat and whatnot over there and we get pulled over. I think the reason we got pulled over is based on the car. The cops assume that i was a dealer. I don't know for sure but we were just pulled over when we were pulled over. We did have about an eighth of we dongs. Because that's what we were planning to do with the two women when we got to her apartment because we had the we'd complete full search of the car and so we were set on the curb and i was. I was angry. I was embarrassed. One cop he was just searching the car and the other cop he was standing right next to us and talking to us he will walk really close and because we're sitting on the curb he kind of has his dick in my face and he's looking down at me talking shit and is really hard for you. Explain the anger that you fill in this position because for me. This is exactly what he's doing. He's reminding me who. I am here and i really feel that. I can't do anything it. He picked up my military. Id or something that indicated that was in the military and he said you in the military and say. Yeah i'm bragging anger mike. I'm ranger airborne ranger. Whatever and then he said something. Like well i guess she dropped in the wrong hood. This home bro. After he said that he was kind of walking away to go see what was going on with the other cop in the car. I say in you know kinda lau. Hey and he stopped. And so i kind of saw my tone because came back over quick and stood right next to me again and so i just asked him the question. Why do you think you get to talk to me like that. And honestly it looked like he had never considered that like. This was something that he'd never. He never considered and he kinda stood there for a moment. Lost life Why do i get to say this to you. Like i never really. I never really considered. That looked back up at the cop he was. He was frowning. Now he was looking back down. Frowning make you empty your pockets and so all of the contents of my pockets. Were sitting right next to me my keys my pager any money whatever i had and in the couple of weeks prior shannon and i had gone to la and we went to go get a gay persson's place and had never seen one before. It was kind of a gray see-through pager and i liked it. I just really liked it. The cop was looking at me. He looked down. He reached down and he grabbed my pager. Pretty much looking is the whole time. He he hold the paper for a minute and he says oops wait a full like three seconds and then drops it and man when When i heard the pop the plastic on the patriots lost a lost to stand up and that was obviously. I was put back down very quickly. He wasn't very far away from me when i tried to sit up. I kind of knew what was going to happen. But it was one of those things i couldn't i could not do anything. I couldn't just sit there at that point in life. I'm like i would rather take a bit of a beating. Then allow this to happen again. I'm angry and so. I'm struggling trying to get back up. And he's forcing you back down the other cops stop searching. The car comes back over ones on my but one has his knee and my back in the lower neck in the nets kind of holidays. Do me it hurt too much on the inside being hurt on the outside didn't matter as much and definitely come times when you're like i'm not going to eat this shit. I would rather be beaten than eat this shit. Unfortunately i think many men not just black men probably poor men in general kind of have this relationship with authority especially unjust authority. And i think that's probably hard for many people to understand. But i know that's exactly how i felt. They ended up not giving a ticket the weed. I think that was because of everything that happened. But i think the worst part about it for me is that i was in no way an any any sort of state of mind to do what i wanted to do which was to still over to see the young woman. It really felt like i was stolen from me and i was just like so angry. I'm like how can you do that. I wanna go see this woman and smoke a joint with her. Eat some fries and hopefully have sex but when like those kind of things are denied. Then it just bothered me because i had you know. I had served my country at this point and actually served on wartime. You know it bothered me though. 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I'd always done fairly well in school. I mean i've been a pretty good student throughout. But when i got my first junior college and thus was in blythe while i was there i took an english class and the professor was very kind and at the end of the class. He put his side and he says you know what are you. What are your plans for college. I told him basketball when he said sit down with me and he says look. I don't know. I don't know anything about basketball. He says but i think that you can right and i think this is probably you should consider this and so i took a few more classes with and he kind of impressed upon me that i could and he also gave me books to read. He didn't give me books that he thought that a young black guy would wanna re. He just gave me books. And so he would give me things. Like dose key and upton sinclair. And i just like i kind of absorbed them once. I realized that i enjoyed it. I had a conflict with who. I thought. I was versus who i wanted to be. He continued to help me. And then once. I got to ucr. I had another amazing professor. Susan straight she never treated me like i was something that needed to be. Improved or anything like there was something wrong with me. She was like look i. You have a little bit of talent. And i want to try to help you. Cultivate it and she just kind of offhandedly mentioned. She's like you don't think you'd like to do what i do. And it clicked on like you know what yeah. I think i would like to do what you do and i. I made a plan to go back to graduate school. And then here i am so. I teach english valley college english professor. And there was one instance that i remember. I was leaving work. I'm not a big fan of meetings. And i was leaving a meeting. That for whatever reason made me really angry. And i couldn't run anywhere. I mean i have a professional career on home. I couldn't you know run away. So i was on the way home and i decided to stop into a bar and i felt myself. You know standing here looking at these two guys at this table. You know wanting one of them to say something to me. So i could you know in some way. Try to pick a fight and luckily for me. I had too much to drink. When i've been sitting there. And i realized i mean like what are you doing. Luckily i kind of remembered that you're an english professor. What are you doing in the military. I would mean we had a phrase. We would drink it off you. Drink pal around with francine would feel better. But you know i mean. I'm an english professor. I can't go get drunk. Every time i get angry. I felt that. I was walking around looking for a fight that i needed to fight someone because i just didn't know what was going on. And the only way that i was going to feel better that i picked an enemy and picked a fight and then i would everything would seem to fall into place and it was at that point that i knew that something was wrong and i knew it was something that needed some help with. It was really on their way home. I decided i have to do something. I didn't know what i was going to do. But i had to do something. You have insurance since obviously. I went to try to get an appointment to see a therapist. And i sent him having extreme problems. I need to see someone to talk to someone so three months later. I had my first meeting with this guy and he says you know. How do you process fear in. My immediate reaction was to look at him like motherfucker. Fuck you up asking me some shit like that okay. And in that moment. I understood that i don't process fear and i think that is because i haven't been. I haven't felt that. I've been safe enough to kind of allow myself to be vulnerable to process. Fear if you mistake anger as something that is actually protecting you. When you wanna let go of that anger then you automatically think that you're weak and that's not necessarily the truth. That's what i kind of thought. So that particular session it was. It was a lot i mean. He had leave the room and he said. I wanna go into the half hour. I'm going to have the time. I mean it was like it was really big for me. Can lomo for what he did. Tell me about fundamentalists. And so i figured i would do. Was i would just read everything. I could until the next meeting as i started reading. I really kind of thought that this is actually the. This is what i should be doing. And i've been practicing meditation for about four years. And i went to my first narrow treat last year which i think was very very useful for me when i'm angry. The answer's always clear. It's always simple. If i'm angry i'm either to fuck someone up or bide my time and wait until i can fuck someone is. The answer is very simple. But when you're not angry and you're just afraid and you have to kind of sit with for a little while it's not it doesn't feel good. You feel strong and it's just very foreign but understand that. I've been conditioned to do that. And i do see how my anger especially the anger carried for so long block my -bility to trust sometimes into love after had been maybe meditating for about a year i suppose i was in class and i form groups at times to help students work through particular problems and i'm walking around the classroom going through group to group to check on people and this one student was having a particular problem so i sat down with them and i'm going with this problem and another student from another group comes up and asked me a question and i quickly turned the students one minute i need to finish this and the not turn back to the students on helping and then she just yelling at me. She starts screaming. I don't know why she starts yelling at me. I felt anger. It was like i was lit on fire. I felt anger in a lot of places in my body and my face in my hands and my chest and i was extraordinarily angry and right before i spoke. I just realized that i was angry. And for whatever reason. I became curious. I looked at her and then i said why. Are you yelling at me. And then she started yelling even more and the most interesting thing happened. I was no longer really angry. I was still more than anything curious and as she was yelling more i was trying to come down and i was like okay i understand but why are you yelling at me. And that she paused and she looked at me like she really understand what i was talking about and she turned around and kept cussing and screaming and grabbed her bag and left. But at that moment. I was no longer angry so i turn back to the students helping and just continue to help them and for me. That was kind of like a miracle. I guess it was the first time that i realized that sometimes negative emotions don't last as long as you think they last. The reason that they last is because you keep thinking about it and as you keep thinking about it you're creating that in your head and that thought process that is causing the problem not necessarily what happened. And i've been trying to pay attention to mindfulness and meditation ever since. Try very hard not to see people as evil. When i see people as evil it becomes very clear what needs to be done. They need to be fucked up they. That's what needs to happen of their evil. But if i don't see them as evil i see them as other people and these other people either have. They're holding onto a belief that is false and that is causing some of this behavior. Or maybe they're just scared and confused like i am and that is causing the behavior and once i kind of understood that it was easy for to see that unjust authority and why some people did the things that they do that. It has nothing to do with me that they're trying to make themselves feel better about themselves and all the only reason they're doing what they're doing to me is that they know they can get away with and i really try to remind myself having you done some awful things to other people simply because you want to impress other people around you and that really humbles me almost me. I have to take into account what i've done. I don't think it should be excused. I think it's understood. I have to be honest if i was in their position. I can't lie myself. And say i would never do what they did. I would never do that because that's probably not. The truth is probably not. I would like to think that. I would be a complete different person. And even if it mattered that i lost friends or family members. I would not be that person but i mean i don't know my last encounter with police threw before a direct loop i mean. I was already english professor at this point and by made an illegal left turn leaving campus. And you know it was a turn that i knew that i should make but it was a turn that if i made it i can beat the russian i can get on the freeway and get home just wanted to watch laker game or something like that and a cop pulled me over all humans. I'm conditioned to a fight flight or freeze and times. That when i'm around cops and i don't think i can run like i have this habit of freezing like you know what i mean is like i look around and i freeze because i'm not sure what's going to happen. He pulled me over and he came up to the car and looked at me and he was like You know things like oh okay. Okay and then. He did something that. I have never heard a cop do up until that point. He apologized he. He apologized for pulling me over. He said sorry over. He said you know. But you can't make this turn. And he pointed like down here you can you know you need to make on the freeway on on my holy heart and he said. Ask me why. I made the turn. I think it says something about allegra. Become lavishly on. Oh that's important that we kind of joked a little bit. He let me go. And i got my car and left and i didn't go home. I couldn't explain what i was feeling. But it really threw me for a loop because every other encounter with police. I don't think i've ever been seen that way. It was very clear that he didn't see nigger in the car. What he saw was english. Professor and i immediately went to a bar starts drink because i i didn't know how to process that really and i didn't know what to make of it. I really didn't. It's taking a little little while to kind of be comfortable with the idea that this is who i am. You are now an english professor. You're just a regular person and even though it's refreshing to be seen as a regular person is unusual it really is. There are still sometimes. When i feel like that i need to cling to that old self for safety especially in twenty twenty after george floyd was murdered are wanted to taco shop typically especially in my twenties. When i would go anywhere i would survey a room as i walked in. I wanna feel safe. You look around and see who was in it and this particular time. I'm walking in. And i'm not looking around the room. I'm looking at the menu up. Top as i'm standing in line. Was i get there. I realized that there's a cop kind of in front of me ordering and now i'm confronted with. Am i gonna. We gonna stay. You know because. I don't feel comfortable anymore. And i had to go to the bathroom to kind of regroup but while i was in the bathroom kind of water on my face and i had to remind myself. I'm like the cop that's ordering tacos here has never done a thing to what's happening right now is you're remembering something that has happened to you and that is why you thought that was why you feel anxious. Then when i went back out. I honestly think the cops since my knees and i think he was trying to make me feel comfortable. I honestly do. It made me feel really good that we were just you know a couple of guys who wanna tacos you know. We didn't have to see each other as enemies. I guess and although i know i know i'm not gonna feel like that around cops all the time i'm able to Make that distinction. Only sometimes now now that what. I'm trying to do more than anything else is. I'm trying to make a commitment to love more. And when i was younger because i was angry all the time. I didn't really see the use of love there. Definitely some things. That happened to my childhood that i wished that didn't happen. And some of the things that happened when i was a child i resented as an adult and as i got older and more educated i wanted to talk about some of these things and the relationship with my mother and i has been complex because at this point in time. Her mind is slowly slipping and she has a little bit of beginning. Alzheimer's and dementia. I have to really learn to love the woman. She is now and not resent the young woman that she was. When i was child and to see that i am a child anymore. And she's not a young mother anymore and think that does a lot for our relationship. But i think it helps me with just patience and compassionate general and it helps me remember that i mean i've obviously changed and i should accept that other people have changed as well and it's allowed me to really begin to care for my mother because like i said i want to. I want to love the woman. She is not present the woman that she was. I still get angry absolutely angry. But i now realize that. I don't have to hold onto that anger. Holding onto the anger is not going to protect me. Holding onto the anger is no way going to help heal me. If something happens to me and is obviously racist. I am able on occasion to think about the person and what they did and to try to see a way to say okay. What they did has nothing to do with me. It helps me understand that. The person that i'm dealing with here is human and flawed. And that you know getting angry in fucking them up is not gonna do anything for either. And that i can't make him self reflect but living life as a fighter you know and using anger fight each and every day. I think that has kept me farther away from love and that has kept me farther away from trust and these are things that you know that you need to live a fully human life and if you feel like you're fighting all the time and you know you're powerless and so everything that you see. You're taking a swing at it before you even know what it is. You're pushing people away without realizing that you're pushing people away and that's not something that i want to do anymore. Today's episode featured edward jones known to most by his initials ej. 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"There's an intersection nine miles from the mexico border in the middle of california farm country. A rural road crosses a four lane highway. There's no fell fulfill to the east and too tired looking farmhouses to the west. This is where sixty six garages pushes accident happened. The crash was reported in a local newspaper the next day june eleventh nineteen ninety nine. It's three short columns. Here's what it says. An unknown man is driving a pickup truck down the highway. He runs a stop sign and is hit by a car. The pickup flips and a bunch of people spill out of the bed of the truck and run into into the fields to men to john does have serious head injuries but the article doesn't mention another rumour something i've i've been told about the accident. The garage crash because the border patrol was chasing him. I wonder which version this article or the rumor is true mm-hmm. Maybe they're both wrong. I'm joanne farren. This is chapter two of room twenty a a new podcast from the l. a. times studios. It's about a man called sixty six garage who lay in a hospital bed for fifteen years unidentified and and about how my search for his name and the circumstances that put them in a san diego nursing home change not just his life but changed my life to <music> room twenty is brought to you by eighty. What does real protection mean for you with a._d._t. It means you can get all of the latest innovations and smart home security combined with twenty four seven monitoring from the most trusted name in home security plus. It's custom a team of professionals will design and install sala secure smart home just for you and your needs nothing more and now you can get safety on the go in the car while your kids are at school or while. You're on vacation nation the a._d._t. Go app allows you to know exactly what's going on in your house even when you're not there. There's a reason a._t. Is the nation's number one smart home security provider visit a._t._t. Dot com slash podcast to learn more about how a._d._t. Can design and install a secure smart home just for you a._d._t. Real protection. I finally have tangible piece of evidence. That garage was in a crash in the desert a newspaper clipping from the imperial valley press it takes me a while while to find it it isn't online and the newspapers archives from the summer of nineteen. Ninety nine are missing. No one knows why eventually i get in touch with someone of the paper for who e mails me a photo of the story the only report he can find about the accident. Finally i've got the exact date and location of garages accident june nineteen ninety nine the intersection aboukir road and evan who's highway. I use that information to request the official accident report from the california highway patrol but i'm told it's been destroyed. The highway patrol keeps accident reports for just four years with the newspaper article in hand. I drive to the scene of the crash. It's two hours from my house and san diego to imperial county across who mountains and into the valley here. The soil looks more like sam than dirt. This is desert. The only reason anything grows here is because it's irrigated farmers qing imperial county. They grow many of the vegetables staples. The rest of the country eats about half of the workers. They hired a pick. Those vegetables are undocumented. It feels a little surreal to be standing at this place as though being here might take me back in time time i have this feeling of. I can just reconstruct the moment figure out exactly what went wrong. I'll get closer to knowing who garage really is. The intersection section looks desolate. The desert skies a perfect blue. The smell of cow dung hangs in the air. They're feedlots in the area. Were cattle fattened before slaughter her. The newspaper story says garage ran a stop sign but i'm standing right at the intersection and there isn't a stop sign on the highway. There's one on bowker road but not hear something about the story has to be wrong across. The road is a tiny house. That looks more like a trailer. I get back in my car and drive over the road crosses. What looks to be giant ditch. It's one of the many canals carry water to this place. There's a pit bowl tied up in front. I love dogs but i'm terrified a pit bulls. I hope someone hears my car. Pull ups. I don't have to face the dog alone. A woman walks out. Oh i do live here. Do you live here a i'm a writer. I'm a reporter and i'm trying to find a try to explain what i'm i'm doing here that i'm trying to figure out what happened to an unidentified man who was in a crash across the road. I wanna know whether she remembers it. There used to be a four way. Stop at the intersection intersection. She doesn't speak english but then a man who looks like he's in. The sixties comes out of the house. Hello hi my name's joanne. I'm i'm from san diego. Sorry i'm canadian. His name is louise's p._a. Hus- he's lived at this intersection for twenty eight years. I asked him if there was ever a four way. Stop sign here. Was there stop sign there when you moved here has their own neighbor never stops. Did you see a lot of accidents there all the time we have i. He says people drive too fast on this road. I ask louis one more thing. Is there a garage named sixty six sixty six garage here anywhere no no. I don't know so no stop sign and no garage at least according to louise and make a note to check on this. There's a little more in the newspaper clipping. It says that two men including the driver were taken to the al central regional medical center and that's where meat suzanne martinez gina's a senior administrator at the hospital suzanne's middle age tall with dark hair when i walk into her office. They notice a canadian flag behind her desk. Who's the canadian. I ask in turns out. Suzanne grew up in the same small town where i got my first tv reporting gig. Maybe that tiny connection is why she tries to help hope me suzanne's worked at the hospital in el centro since the mid nineties in one thousand nine hundred and nine year the accident. She was a nurse in the emergency room here. You didn't see people just coming in for ordinary care. They weren't coming in with stomach aches. That kind of thing el centro is a border town and in the late nineties nineties. It was one of the busiest areas illegal crossings. They were either brought in by the border patrol. They were in a motor vehicle accident or <hes> <hes>. We got them out of the desert as unidentified. Suzanne tells me that truckloads of migrants often showed up at the hospital some travel through the desert for days tightly packed in vehicles without air conditioning when they got to the hospital zand says many were dying or sometimes already already dead people temperatures of one hundred and eight hundred nine. <hes> course can't survive. She says she saw a lot of unidentified. Identified patients like garage and there is a procedure when they came into the emergency room. We cut the clothes off. Put them in a bag and work on the patient now. Usually we would have someone going through their clothes looking for identification because our goal is to identify patients but if we didn't have it wasn't something like we would stop everything and look for it. I started to tell suzanne what i learned about garage from the nursing home. Maybe she'll remember him. They think he's from mexico coke because he had a phone card maxim phone card and some paces in his pocket so that venue assume that they went through a stuff right if they knew that he had that maybe just never had i date could have been thrown off his body when he was thrown from the car could have been in the car could would have been all those could events. You know i asked suzanne at the hospital would have given garages weird name. She says no they would be john doe or jane doe. Those are two names that we use and there's something else i had emailed the newspaper clipping suzanne and she noticed something. I had missed. I the story says the unidentified driver was nineteen and the unidentified passenger was thirty. How would they know. How will these men were if they didn't know their names if they come to your hospital and you do put an age on them. No we estimate an age you would make a year. No there's no need to make up here. 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I love the built in battery since it's always impossible to find an outlet at the airport gate now you're will always be charged and ready for those extra long flights twenty dollars off your own suitcase visit away travel dot com slash room twenty and use promo code room twenty during checkout. That's away travel. Dot com slash is room twenty with promo code room twenty for twenty dollars off your suitcase. It's been more than a month since i started visiting garage. Maroon twenty now use google translate to try and communicate with them and i feel a song getting to know him. It should do asada keith. I'm trying to ask rogers whether he said but it doesn't come out that way. When i was in school in canada canada we learned to speak french the only spanish i know i learned in grade seven from a girl named pause munoz. She was from chile and she taught me to count so sometimes they count to garage. Who know what it seems to soothe him. Sometimes they count when he's kicking his leg and he stops or account when he's being sectioned and he relaxes. I suppose counting is a distraction. The nursing assistants have found their own ways to communicate with garage like maria mendez. She comes in to check on him and he smiles when he sees her. I did now. Oh maria ask garage opened his is she uses the kid. Version is only tos like astonished mother. We always say that to kids when they're little it it also he's so those i i don't know i'm guessing they'll those things are in him. He remembers data. Probably i'm gets like maria. I treat garage as though he's a child i bring toys things that light up make sounds anything i can think of to break the monotony on any of his day one evening i hold up a colorful baby mirror at the side of garages bed and tap on the plastic click he watches and then he starts to move his left hand towards the toy. Ki collect go this one. He taps the mayor with his hand. Busy garage looks at me and smiles. It almost seems so he's proud of himself. I record the entire thing on my phone links. I think this video is one of the reasons. I stay so long room twenty <hes> i don't need any more evidence garage is in there. I need to tell you something else here the other reason i'm spending so much time at the villa take guys yeah. That's my mom is style playing with my niece and nephew in an old home movie. He wants to set up. Are you paying when my mother was in her sixties. She was convinced she had cancer a tumor. The size of an orange had been growing one of her ovaries for nearly a decade. Everyone was surprised including doctor when a biopsy showed it was benign but after that something changed for her she began labeling trinkets in her apartment with the names of her children and grandchildren and eaton's watch given to her by the department urban store where she wants worked for sam my son silver charm bracelet for mandy my niece the chanel case with a full bottle of number five the perfume. I bought her nearly every mother's day for me. The last time i saw my mom conscious was in june two thousand and eight. We were standing in my sister's driveway in winnipeg canada. My mom was interbrew jama's with an envelope in her hand large box next to her. The box was full of christmas decorations for my childhood. God i was with my husband my son and our golden retriever about to make the two thousand mile drive back home to san diego. There wasn't room for the box of decorations ends in our car but i took the envelope and put it in my purse. The next time i saw my mother was two weeks later. She was in a coma attached to mental ventilator to keep her breathing. A kidney stone was lodged in her. You aretha wasn't a huge deal when we got the call and said she's in pain and got aww kidney stone because we've been throat a few times. That's my older sister. My name is laurie greenberg. Laurie lives in winnipeg my hometown about a five minute drive from my mom's apartment. The kidney stone should have been simple to treat but the doctors didn't do the proper tests instead. They sent my mom home with some morphine the next day i got a call and she says i feel really weird. I'm kind of like my breathing in my dizzy so i didn't know what morphine how long it lasts on you what it does so so i said to her all well. Maybe it's just from the drugs you know so you know and she's yeah maybe it is and then we hung up what my sister. Laurie didn't know what the time what what no one knew was that the kidney stone had caused an infection. I got a call from an older sister saying go to the apartment because she's having a hard time breathing so oh i went to the apartment got in there and she couldn't breathe so it was like i wasn't going to try anything so called the ambulance right by the time my mom was admitted to the hospital she had sepsis a life threatening condition caused by the infection but it would be days before she was properly diagnosed. My sister called me that wednesday wednesday night by thursday morning. I was on a plane when john came and she had to fly all the way from san diego so when we went to pick her up at the airport i remember it. I'll get jumped up on this but i remember the first thing. She said she's still alive. We drove straight to the hospital. I sat at my mother's bedside. I thought i'd be there for weeks or months. It takes a long time to recover from sepsis even made my sister's take me to the bookstore the next day so i'd have something to read while i sat next to my mom but two days later before the sun was up on a sunday morning. My mom was gone to seventy one years old. So by the time time we saw her. My mom's is reclosed and was basically sleep and we never really ever talked to her from that time until until she died that enveloped my mother had given me in my sister's driveway just two weeks before she died. It was her advanced events directive. Her final wishes if she were to get sick and couldn't speak for herself. It would be years before i finally had the courage to read that letter a second time when i'm not room twenty off and on the road to el centro something i heard from the guy who lives near the accident scene stayed with me. He'd said there were a lot of car accidents at the intersection. Were garage crashed suzanne. Dan martinez the nurse had said the same thing so i called the al central city clerk's office and ask what department tracks motor vehicle accidents. The clerk refers me to the imperial county public works department. A guy named dave answers the phone. I ask if he can tell me how many accidents happen at the corner belka road and evan hughes highway since january nineteen ninety nine he barely hesitates. I can hear him type the location into his computer thirteen at the intersection in twenty two nearby and on june tenth nineteen ninety nine. How many on that day too he says one was a fatal. He says he is both reports right there in front of him the next day eh i go to see him in person yes. I'm looking for all the accidents and leased the ones that you're looking for. Oh wow they've been hughes and has a supplemental and then from that day. I can't believe what dave hands me. A sixteen gene page accident report the highway patrol report. I was told was destroyed years ago. The word fatal handwritten the top and black sharpie and the report is is unrelated so everything is their names and phone numbers of people in the accident it mentions the emergency crews that responded fly by naito nato gold cross ambulance and the john does massive head injuries and we're going to say that it was hits run here. Oh hit and run. These sixteen pages become my roadmap. Now i can track down the people in the accident and the first responders. The first thing i learned is the newspaper story is wrong. The pickup truck wasn't traveling on the highway. It was traveling on boca road when it sped through a stop sign. I also learned that one of the john does the newspaper article mentioned the thirty year old he he dies in the hospital. The next day and he's identified was pronounced dead at u._c._s._d. Medical center and his name enrica luna so garage must be the nineteen year old. The accident report also says that garage wasn't the driver as i been told he was one of the people thrown from the bed of the truck according to the report the driver had a light complexion and a large knows that looked just though it had been broken in the past but the call boxer's nose and he was wearing a light blue shirt he ran from the scene. The accident report doesn't talk about chase with the border patrol. The only mentioned a border patrol is the helicopter that flew overhead looking for the driver of the pickup up and the others who ran away but if there wasn't a chase why was the pickup truck which was already nine miles north of the mexico border speeding through through a stop sign on a country road in the middle of nowhere and there's something else i still can't figure out how could the california highway patrol no garages age if they didn't know his name next time we go to the border and find more clues about garages identity what fifteen eighteen years why hasn't anybody anything fifteen years. That's a lifetime to think that there's a family out there. That just has no idea what happened to their son and other brother their uncle and after fifteen years garage will be identified. This show was reported and executive produced by me. Your host joel berry in my senior editor editor was susan white room twenty was produced by l._a. Times studios clinch off and camillo victoriano with production support from neon how media special special thanks to sam tori and andy triplet for production and research helped drew my reporting to discover more about the story go to l._a. Times dot com slash room twenty.
April 5, 2019
"Good Friday morning. I'm Jake Sherman. And welcome to your political playbook audio briefing sponsored by the American Bankers Association. And I'm Anna Palmer, politico magazine is that with the first excerpt of Jake and my new book the hill today on out April ninth with our look at how Trump conspired with the freedom caucus to shut down the government their lousy politicians their lousy on policy. They got the worst ideas in the world. But they stick together. Trump said at the Democrats in an interview in late November just weeks before the shutdown and the Republicans do not stick together as well. Okay. There's no question about it. And I respect them for that. And I tell the Republicans that say these people stick together, even if it's bad they stick together. We hope you enjoy the entire expert, and if you'd like to hear more Jake, and I will be on NBC's. Meet the press Sunday to talk about the book for the first time, California, attorney general heavier Sarah's filing a motion for preliminary injunction to stop President Donald Trump from diverting federal dollars for the border wall. Twenty. States. Are joining him Anita Kumar and Andrew research. Take a step back looking at how a barrage of setbacks spoiled things for the president after the bar letter. The post sums it up with this headline potentially damaging information in Muller report ushers in a new political fight the New York Times weighs in at. How Trump is ignoring his own history by taking a jab at Joe Biden Washington Post had an interview with speaker Nancy Pelosi, which she said she would rather build on ObamaCare, and it isn't yet convinced that Medicare for all would achieve its purported goals at the Commissioner, Scott Gottlieb is going to return as a part time fellow at I and NBC news Wall Street Journal is out with a new poll that found Americans hold negative views of social media companies like Facebook and Twitter. The Washington Times got an Oval Office interview with the President Trump said Barbara Bush was nasty to me, but she should be look what I did to her sons in the juice, I and playbook Perry Gershon who lost to lease Zeldin in two thousand eighteen is running against him again. And has a new ad to introduce himself to voters James Arken reports. Stacey Abrams is torn between running for president and Senate and purchase effort has the story about Joe mansion once again weighing a return to the West Virginia governor's mansion David ciders reports the beta will work is again driving himself around Iowa in a rented van. Here's what's on tap for Trump's Friday. The president will leave the White House at nine thirty this morning in route to El Centro, California. He will arrive at the naval air facility El Centro at eleven forty A M Pacific standard time and traveled to the US border patrol collects ago station. I twelve fifteen pm he will participate in an immigration and border security roundtable, he will then leave to visit the new border wall and collects echo, California at one fifteen Trump will travel to a private home in Santa Monica, California. He will participate in roundtable of supporters, followed by a joint fundraising dinner, Trump will travel to Las Vegas subscribed to playbook at politico dot com slash playbook. Today's. Episode is brought to you by the American Bankers Association. I'm rob Nichols. President and CEO of the American Bankers Association. Technology is changing the way we Bank from mobile banking to remote, deposits, America's banks are creating new innovative ways of helping you manage your money, and we continue to keep our customers secure stopping seventeen billion in fraud annually safety inconvenience, just two of the many reasons nine out of ten Americans are happy with their Bank. Learn more at ABA dot com slash America's banks.
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JUMP 106: How to Plan a Trip to Patagonia
"After that trip. I told you thank you for sharing your church with me because it became a place of healing for me and Patagonia, specifically a place of finding that inspiration. It will always be very special place for me. Welcome to jump podcast, formerly known as the budget minded traveler, I'm your host, traveling Jackie. And I'm here to explore travel adventure and lifestyle in ways meant to motivate you to move and get out and see the world let this show via source of travel advice and inspiration. But remember that in the end, it's you who takes the leap. Hey, guys. Welcome back to jump podcast. This is upset one of six and we're going to get right into it today with one of my favorite places in the world Patagonia in this is a huge subject, and it's been one that I've been wanting to tackle for quite a while because I know from your messages and comments and emails that you have tons of questions about it. And I have a lot of answers. But I wasn't sure how to present them. And so my goal today is just to do my best to cover. What is how do you get there? Why should you? Or shouldn't you go their best time of year to visit what you can expect to find their best ways to travel there, how you should pack et cetera. It is a lot to cover, and I want to be as helpful as I can including offering a second opinion. And that is where my guest today comes in. So I want to introduce you all to Britney Brittany say, hi, thanks so much for being here. I ready so Britney is one of. You she she started as a listener of this podcast. And I guess it was almost was almost three years ago. Now, right Britney that you are I guess maybe two and a half years ago. You were about this time. It was about January of two thousand sixteen. Okay. About this time when I found the budget minded traveler, okay? And then that year like later that year, you were my very first sign up ever for my first Patagonia trip that I led there in two thousand sixteen and I will. Let you talk a little bit more than about that in a minute. But just to bring all of you listeners up to speed since then Britney has been on all three of the trips that I have led to. Like era after you're signing up and she's traveled a bit there independently as well. Which is why I believe that. She's a great person to have present for this conversation, and sort of helped me with this, you know, huge, huge topic of Patagonia. And on that note, let me just say this before we get started Brittany. A lot of people get nervous to be on the show. And I think that's the beauty of it. Honestly, like, we are just people who love to travel for having a conversation. We're giving insight guidance inspiration to those listening. So thank you for showing up and saying, yes, don't be afraid of what you sound like, or if you mess up or whatever we're just here to talk about something we both love, and that's it. And I know that the listeners appreciate that. Because you are a perfect example of you know, that like we're all relatable. And so thank you again for saying. Yes. And I hope you're ready to talk about how to ganja. Yeah. No. Thank you for having me. I'm I'm excited. Patagonia's very very special place for me, as you know. So I'm I'm more than happy and excited to be here. So nervous. I know. It's okay. It's like it's like being on one of your favorite TV shows or something, you know, as a as an extra with like this person that you admire so, oh, thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. No. All right. So I think what we should start with is. What is Patagonia like literally? And also what it means to us because that's why we're both here today. But I know that first of all people. Aren't even really sure of what Patagonia is like quite literally like geographically on a map. They're not really sure people think it's a country. It's not. And so I'm going to briefly describe what it is for real. And then I think you, and I should each take a minute to describe what it is for us. And why we keep going there? To kind of set the stage for this conversation today. So I'll start with us. So Patagonia on a map, go to South America on the map in your mind or online, whatever. And if you go all the way to the south of Chile and Argentina, the entire basically like probably twenty five percent or so of those two countries the bottom portion is Patagonia. Collectively? So it's sort of like an idea like I actually often related to New England in the United States. Everybody kind of knows what New England is even if you may be can't draw like an exact border around it. You have an idea of what New England is. It's those states that make up the northeast part of the United States. That's very similar to Patagonia. It's like a region that kind of as an idea, that's Patagonia. Is there isn't like literally a county or anything down there. That's called Patagonia. It's the entire region as the idea itself. So it does span two countries Chile and Argentina it contains several regions within both of those countries. And it's massive like the length of it. I was just looking on a map to try and figure this out. And I think it's roughly about a thousand miles long from top to bottom, and that's like a third of how of the width of United States. Like, it's big. It's you. Wjr. And so that is where it is on a map, and it most of it actually, not most of it. But the the western part of it is the Andes the tip of the mountain range. And so there's a lot of mountainous terrain and there including fjords and glaciers, it is home of the southern Patagonian icefield, which is the third largest mass of ice freshwater ice in the world. A behind our NRT and Greenland, so glaciers trekking all of that. And islands. It's on especially in on the Chilean side. It's very it's not like a continuous piece of land. It's like rough just fjords and islands. And it's it's it's pretty awesome. It's pretty adventurous down there. I guess I'd say the map looks like dots. It's just like full of disconnected pieces of land. And and then on the eastern side of Patagonia. It's actually mostly desert. This might really surprise some of you. But Patagonia is home to the eighth largest desert in the world. Did you know that Brittany? I actually did not. Okay. So the step which is it's like more than eighty percent of Patagonia is made up of the desert. And so when you think of Patagonia, you probably are thinking of the western part like the Andes like the mountains and not. So much the desert even though that is really what makes up most of it. So if you're interested in seeing a lot of flat land with some coast go to that part on in Argentina on the Argentine inside. But I think mostly today we're going to be talking about. The Andes Sola mountains, and that part of Patagonia because that's where people really go. And so anyway, I hope that helps to put it on a map for you. Okay. So the reason that I I went to Patagonia was actually for a conference. It was had been on my bucket list for quite a while. And I it was one of those places where I had just started kind of collecting pictures on Instagram and seeing like this is a place that I want to go I knew about it. I talked to people about it. But I'd never been until two thousand fifteen and. Eventually going to read something real quick to you guys to kind of set set, the the view kind of stage for this place because this was a my answer to a question. I was asked recently, which was what was the most transformative outdoor experience in your life. Which is like that's a pretty big question. But I knew right away. What it was? And this is this is what I took a piece of this from a blog post I had written before. But this is my answer to that. My first time checking the w circuit interest opini national park in Chile in two thousand fifteen this is the answer to what was my most transformative outdoor experience. I had just left my entire life as I knew it behind. I had no idea what lay ahead as I started a nomadic life on my own and the very first place. I went was Patagonia. They're hanging. Glaciers broke into avalanche before my eyes snow thundered over the cliffs below an echoed against the stark silence of unspoiled nature galaxies, only visible from the southern hemisphere appeared in the endless black of the night sky unpolluted by light of any kind turquoise waters filled. The valleys at the feet of towering snowcapped peaks groups of condors watch from overhead freely writing the currents of the wind unthreatened by civilization wind whips through my clothing to my bones in a cold deep tangible embrace, which I welcomed with arms wide open gray, glacier, grown and cracked in my face threatening. To cabinet any moment alive in wild lending. It's perfect ice to my lakeside piece. Go sour, I could taste this place. Smell it feel it hear it and see so much more than I had ever seen. Everything was new in my world. And I knew I was going to be okay. As I set out on my own part of who I am now was born in those mountains and like a migratory bird following her most natural instincts. I keep going back to them. Yeah. I know I'm well. Thanks. I just smiled through that whole thing. I know I it literally like writing that like made me cry and like sometimes when I read it back. It's like because it just transport's me. Like, I go right back there. You know, an India. I know you understand this because you've been there you've done this exact thing with me twice. Now. You know, like, I know you get it, and it's really hard to capture that. And that's why I wanted to read it because I feel like that is maybe a glimpse of capturing what Patagonia. Has maybe has the power to do. But anyway, and that's only one really tiny little corner of it. That's one little spot. I mean, we just went over how big it is. But that is why I keep going back. It's just a special magnetic place for me that has turned into my second home since then I mean, I've spent more time there than I have in Montana like in recent years, which is kind of a crazy Stott. But it I mean, maybe I've over maybe I've tipped the scale on that one now that I've kind of moved home. But, but yeah, that was like my place. So still is it's still is for sure. But after real real quick after that first experience that I went there was back five months later on the Argentinian side. And that's what I moved to body Chafer three months. And that's it's a northern Patagonia. And later that year is when I led that first trip to southern Patagonia, which is where had that experience. I just read and then the next year I lead one through the Patagonian lake district, which is very low Jay, and then the Chilean side as well. And then I did a road trip down Chilean Patagonia. What you guys have heard already on this podcast episode eighty nine that was one that I traveled with Ford from where's the Gringo? And we we road trip to the gutter thrall together. And then I led the trip to southern Patagonia. Again this last year like we just did that in November. In fact, I just saw you there. And so. And actually, the exciting part is I have a new itenerary on the cut at that Ostrov in central pedagogy in Chilean Patagonia that I am going to be running this November. It's my next Patagonia trip. Lou. Yeah. I know. I'm going to be opening sign ups for that hopefully within pretty soon here. So you guys can I'm gonna give you two links right now for. For reference one. I wrote a guide for driving the cut. I thought I was thraw which is all of Chilean Patagonia that I did and you can find that at the budget minded or dot com slash Patagonia road trip. No spaces. So if you want that link check that out it's a huge post about that experience, super helpful. And then the my group trips you can always find whatever is happening next in Patagonia at traveling, Jackie dot com slash Patagonia or slash trips. Whichever one you want to check out. But anyway, this is like my world my Patagonia world. So that's for my part kind of what it is for me. It's completely changed my life. I mean, I'm leading trips there now have become like, the go to girl for everything Patagonia. And so I feel like this episode has been a long time coming. And now, I'm I know I'm talking a lot. I know I warned you that I was going to happen Brittany. Please britney. Will you share like what what is to you? And why like why why you're here today because there's a reason for that? So what is it for you? Yeah. Well, I mean, if I could Ditto yours, I would because for very different reasons. I felt exactly the same. The first time for me. I hell ever no idea. What Patagonia was never heard of it? Didn't know it was originally the world complete. We lost on it and to give a little background. I think on my story, if you don't mind Jackie is found when I was at a point in my life. Yeah. I found you because I was at a point in my life where I was working over ninety hour work weeks on average for two different jobs. And I realized I was working life away at had always wanted to travel, and I just had it in my mind that travel was really expensive. And so that had to come with having a career in. So that was going to happen later in life end. Then I just hit me that no I want to go. Now, I want to do something. Now had no idea where to start. And so I started by the finding the internet. You know, podcasts and blogs, and I typed in travel into the podcast and budget minded traveler popped up. And I thought well, that's appropriate. And I started listening. I started listening, and I found this this strong female who was doing an interviewing people that were doing what I wanted to do. And I realized how possible it was and shortly before that I remember having a conversation with my best friend, and I had told her I need to make trouble priority. I could never go for six months or a year. But I need to make it a priority. And then I found again, I found your podcast, and I decided if I sold my home that I owned in southern California, I could do it. And then shortly in there while I was I'm listening to the podcast while I'm at work, you announce this trip to Patagonia never heard of this place like, but that sounds cool. I'm not an outdoorsy person. Or I wasn't. I wasn't a hiker. I didn't camp much. I camped as a kid with my family. But I didn't I didn't know my trouble style. I didn't know I didn't even consider myself a nature leber at this point. But I was like help go near the sounds look at Daytona area. And it's a little tough probably need probably need a train without a little. And I still was doing this. I can't do it. I still had my both. My job is my condo wasn't sold yet. I can't do it. I can't do it. And then one day. I was like why am I doing this? I can't still and I just I literally signed up on the on a whim. I think I was still on the clock at work. I went on the internet, and I just signed up love it and. Yeah. And as you know, Jackie the day that we Skype the first day, we met was actually the morning, I signed the escrow papers to selling my condo. So I had just signed off my papers, we Skype, and I remember I told you that. And you just what you told me. I am. So proud of you. And I was like oh this person. I don't know. But I admire so much is proud of me. I'm making. Choices. That's how I ended up entitled. Go neha. I did train for it. I I started doing hike surrounds here in southern California. Still wasn't sure what I was gonna get out of it and day one was low Swiss or they wanna piping I should say, and it was a challenging hike for me. It was very challenging. I was definitely at the back of the pack. But as I came up over those rocks to hit those tortoise the rest of the group all five of you guys were up there cheering me on. And then I hit this port where you come over the edge, and the towers came into view, and I'm getting emotional even just remembering his it just hit me. And I was just like, this is my home. This is where I belong. This is my travel style. I love nature. This is where this is where I belong. This is where I am going to to find my focus find my motivation. Find my drive find my purpose. This is where I belong and the rest of the w proceeded to unfold really similarly every view was. Just spectacular everyb-. You just reminded you of how big this world is and how much there is see end how much opportunity there is. And I had the California berry, and I have been back multiple times. You know, it's it's I think after that that trip I told you thank you for sharing your church with me because it became a place of healing for me and Padonia specifically is a place of healing, but nature as well. A place of finding that inspiration. Still it will always be very special place for me. Commute a mic drop. I mean that was amazing. I had chills so much just listening to you talk in their sister coolest 'cause I I just get it. You know, like, I'm glad you get it. This is why you're here having this conversation with me, this is why asked you Britney to show up today. Because I knew I knew I know this about you. But like I love how you just explain that to everybody, and and I love okay, going back in your story. Thank you for sharing that. Because the the suggested clarify the big thing that you were scared to do was realizing that you could travel long term dot was your that was your goals. And so you figured out that selling your house and rearranging your employment. Would help you accomplish that goal. And you totally did it and Patagonia was not necessarily your first stop on your long tour. But it was the first time that you took a trip like this. And then it was like only a couple of months later. You got back on your like, dude? I can't I'm I'm one hundred percent. Like, I didn't you move your departure date app. Like, two months, you're like I can't do this anymore. I'm out actually, that's that's the part that I. I left off their I guess as Patagonia was not my plan when I was selling the condo was to be in Japan in April. And I really didn't have any plans outside of that. And then ended up in Patagonia November and in that trip. I started talking to you guys about go into Costa Rica is just like a little birthday trip for myself in January through through that trip in Patagonia. I realized one I I loved I wanted to be in Latin America, also, and so I I got home from Patagonia and that weekend was thanksgiving weekend. It was black Friday until there was a bunch of black Friday sales. And I booked a one-way ticket to Costa Rica, I booked a. I booked a trip with under thirty experiences to start off my first ten days there. But then I also arranged a work away and just decided to make Costa Rica the beginning, and I ended up leaving in February instead of April, and I ended up spending a year in Latin America instead of I who knows what else I would have been. But it ended up working out being exactly where I needed to be an led me to where I needed to be an it shaped that following year as well as my travel style. And when I tell people it changed my life pedagogue that's not an exaggeration. It changed my life. It's shaped what that travel style. And what might might trouble future in my journey was going to look like. I love that so much after. So this has been less before we before we get back to the Patagonia thing. Let's let's stay on this remnant. How are you different? Now that you've traveled for a year oversee like abroad on your own. I mean, very different the way I the way I look at the way my mind processes things is different nine. I know that. With my work style, my work life. But most importantly, my more spontaneous. I'm I'm also more reserved which is interesting you'd think it would almost make you more outgoing. But I I've always been a very outgoing person. I was always described. Vibe as a social butterfly as I was felt myself as being an extrovert, but I actually solo traveling. I've become quite introverted. I really I really really learned to value or how important my my solo time is as well as those connections with people so living in hostels. I had to look like really realized how important was to search out that corner might liked hammocks. I find that hammock in the corner to get some alone time because otherwise you're constantly surrounded by people. So I learned to really enjoy being alone a lot more than I ever did before I listened better, especially being in a country where you're not, you know, I'm having to played a lot. I feel like I'm a better listener. I I hear I try to hear more than the west just being said, you know, when you're listening in another language, you're constantly, you're you're trying not to think while you're listening because you have to listen. And so I feel like I've practiced that better. I'm such a different symbol four before the year. Everything was everything was about the future. Like oh. I need to save for later. Oh, I need. What's going to happen in five years? What's gonna happen in ten years? And I cannot look past six months now even financially like than this is where probably scare some people. But I'm like will. I mean, like Patagonia people are like, oh, you must be rich. Now, I I actually put some of that on credit card because I just made it a priority. And I'm still I barely finished paying that off working, you know, because that's my priority. So that's where I'm different old like before. Oh, putting a trip like that on a credit card in having to pay that off in having to worry about, you know, a year from now about that still being there that that's all very different for me. It's it's very much. What is important to me? Now, most being smart. You know, I'm not. Yeah. You can't he still be smart. I'm not sitting on everything on credit. But I'm just you know, if you have that opportunity. City. I take it. Now, I'm not I'm not worried about five ten years from now, I'm not even worried in a lot of ways, I'm not even worried about two years from now. I mean, I do have big pictures. I do have goals for those. But what can I do in this year to get there? And it's not also cast on working ton like I used to be to have money to do these things later. It's what can I do with the money that I have now, and that's very different for me. We'll also the sooner you take that leap and make these things happen. The sooner you can reap the rewards from that like, it's you know, what I mean like it's you can put that off or you can have all those lessons and be that different person. Now, you know, like you said all these ways that you're different. And I mean, if you hadn't done that you still wouldn't even know those things about yourself. You wouldn't be like that and nuts nuts, pretty powerful. Also like you said about. How nonchalantly you said in the same sentence something about solo travel having to find a Hamid because you're constantly surrounded by people. Yeah. That's so travel like knots hostels, that's like the community of it. And it's kind of a beautiful thing. And I'm with you. I actually on the introvert thing like I can relate a lot to that. Because solo travel really made me I feel like just come into my own and recognize that I am not the social butterfly that a lot of people think that I am. I mean, I can leave, but I'm very introverted. And but you know, what what it did for me was helped me recognize the balance and like come into my own more. And so I feel like a more balanced human because of that because of that solo time, and you know, kind of just understanding a little bit better about how I work. Yeah. So I think I'm just I think I'm still finding the balance because I'm still kind of coming out of being solo the unit like I'm still I still almost in preferring to be alone a lot right now. And I I also still try to find that balance of still being really social and enjoying my extroverted nece because I definitely have become a lot more introverted with my trouble. That being said, it's really lonely too. So sometimes you seek out of the totally the hammock next to the person, you know. So good. All right. So one more thing I wanna make a note on of of something that you said, you said that you ate the califa- berry and I laugh, yes. And I think if you guys wanna find out what that means you're gonna have to come to Patagonia with me. I'll leave that one at that little teaser there. All right. So let's continue with this Patagonia conversation here because we have a lot to cover. We've talked about where Patagonia is the fact that it's not a country. Okay. Here's a question that people. What let's let's basically talk about how you can begin to plan a trip to Patagonia like how that's that's like a huge question. How does one even begin to plan a trip to Patagonia? And that is I think the first thing that I would say to begin to understand is you have to understand the regions. Like you've got to understand how big it is. And what different parts of Patagonia there are and what each offers. And so not only do you have to countries, but you have like kind of four different sections of Patagonia that I would say, and I'm just kind of like this off the cuff. But basically like you have northern Patagonia, you've central have southern. And then you have. Teared off Waco me. No, okay. So of Waco and kissed you guys. Don't know it is the very southern tip of Patagonia. It's an island, and it does also split Chile and Argentina because they have to share everything down there. They really do. And so anyway, and that's kind of different. That's where schwa- is. There's man. Man. There's just there's there's a lot to do on there too. But that's a separate destination in itself, and then landscape and everything. Yeah. And like southern Patagonia when I say that I mean the area where torso pining national park is like where we did the w track. That's where Al al-qaeda fat. They Chilton Fitzroy all of that is what I consider to be like kind of southern southern Patagonia. And then central would be the cut at that. I was through like the central Pentagon. You most of the features like most of the cool stuff is on the Chilean side in central Pentagon. Yeah. Because. It's a little flatter in our like once you cross the border. It's like you kind of lose the mountains a little bit in that central area. And so I think central is mostly chilly, and then northern Patagonia is the lake district. And that's like everybody is on the tinian side, Porto viata Sheila way, those are on the Chilean side. And I was kind of like the beginning of Patagonia. And then it goes south from our so each one of these places that I've just mentioned has its own at least one of its own airports. And so when people say, oh, where do you fly into for Pentagon? Yeah. It's like, no, no, no. You're not asking the right question. You you gotta look at a map understand what you want to do. They're like what is it that you want to do do? You wanna see the Switzerland of Patagonia, then go to buffalo Che like each hawk let drink craft beer, you know, like figure out what each area offers. If you want to do. Do. More. I think like indigenous cultural experience possibly like checkout, central maybe go to Chile, you know, or. If you want to do fly fishing fly fishing is huge down there. But there's lots of different places to do it. So just have an idea. What is it that you want to do are you glacier trekking, are you hiking? Are you backpacking camping kayaking figure out what you wanna do first? And then look at the map because there are so many different places, you could go, and it's not just the big I think the big ticket item. Here is like Fitzroy and the w trek because that's what people are starting to hear about more and more. But that is just like I said one little corner of Patagonia. And there's way way way way more of just as beautiful things to see in the rest of pedagogy a-. So don't write off the rest of it for sure like I think too many people are going to that part of pedagogy right now, which kind of brings you back. I don't know if you guys listen to actually it was just the last episode about Tuscany and the importance of sustain. Travel and over tourism, keep that in mind, when you're going to a place like Patagonia that there's not a lot of people there, you know. And so the you're the things that you do matter there, and so you know, respect the land camp in the legal spots. I mean, there's a lot of wild camping down there. And so you can you can do that. But if you're in a national park, you know respect the rules, pay the entrance fees. You know? Help keep Patagonia amazing. Please do not go there. If you don't wanna respect it. Just don't just don't go there. Give somewhere else. It's hard for me to talk about Patagonia. Really like, I almost don't want to talk about it because it means so much to me. And no one should go there. No one should. I know. I know it's hard. But you know, what if you're going to go do it? Right. And that's where I also feel like I have a responsibility to speak up and say, okay. How can I help you do it? Right. You know? So, but let's see speaking about figuring out how to get down there. I think the best maybe the easiest way is to get to Santiago or two necessities. I think it depends which side you wanna start on one. Good thing to note is that it is not easy or cheap to fly between the countries. No, it's like eight hundred dollars to fly from like one side to the other. And you have to go to the city first. And then come back. It's like, it's crazy. They don't do that. They don't get along like that do not expect to dislike easily fly back over the border. No, however land crossings are fairly easy. There are there are in the main places so like in northern Patagonia like around buddy load shape or Dorada's, but the month area there are buses that go back and forth regularly. It's super easy. It's like thirty bucks or something crossed the border in southern Patagonia as well between Ellicott fat bay and part on Talos. There are buses that regular scheduled to go back and forth. The middle is a lot trickier. There is not a lot of public transportation in the whole entire middle stretch of Patagonia at all and not the address of its in Argentina sorry. The public transportation. Yeah. It's gonna be. It's gonna be in Argentina launch. And the Chilean side. You're going to have to stick on the Argentine side if you're doing public buses you right? Thank you for saying that. Yeah. Otherwise, it's basically rent a car or find award. Where's the crinkle? Yeah. And yeah, no. He basically why I missed a lot of central pedagogy on the Chilean side because I did did it via bus, and you're you have to do it on the Argentinian side. Yeah. It's a really good point. So you've been in the central part of pedagogy Argentinian side. There's not a whole lot there. Right. It's basically like get on a bus and go five hundred miles of the next destination. Yeah. Yeah. We bust from body low pay down to what did we do? We did body low. Trae actually what we ended up doing. I didn't end up bussing it 'cause it was people I bust from body rotates uplift, the lawns. And I actually flew from Vermont down to Putin's arenas, he has sky airline makes it so cost effective, and that was cheaper since the busing was going to be. Non there was going to be nothing to see. No, you had a lot of us. It was going to be the desert side Argentinian desert side, it was just cheaper to to actually fly into Punta arenas demont. That's a really really good point. So it's almost the same price with skyer lines. That's Chilean domestic budget airline, and you can easily get flights from his kind of where I was actually going at the beginning of this part was from Santiago you can get flights from Santiago on sky airlines. If you get them enough in advance, their they're cheap like, you can get them for like thirty to fifty bucks, you know, down to port demont or Balmaceda, which is in the central area near Kobe. Or what's the next one point that I Ness, which is all the way south and so between those three options those are on your Chilean side. Those are like your three options of airports, and they're not close each other. Like, you have totally different itineraries in all of these places. Which is why you need to know where going first and then on the Argentinian side at the top. You have buddy. Then I think Esco actually has an airport as well. I'm not sure how frequented that is. It's right up across the border from food the low FU, which the funny name, you guys might remember that from the cut at that episode because it's just like an amazing place in really close to their on Argentina's ida's scale. And I think that's like the last thing to know in Argentina until you too L ten or l thought they so that's their next airport in in on the on the Argentinian side of Patagonia Alicata thought they basically like body lachey avocado fat they and Than Shwe. Those are your Argentinian side of Patagonian airports, and like I said like they're all so different. But anyway, if you're gonna fly sky airlines on the Chilean side on the Argentinian side. You have Argentinian airlines, and they're they're not so cheap as sky, but they do service quite a bit of those all the destinations with good schedules. And then lot or Tom they've changed their name to latte. Tom LAN airlines lot Tom is now they also service both sides. They're just going to be a little bit more expensive. I guess. Yeah. Just different schedules. So, but anyway, if you're flying those year notes buses, I would just wouldn't recommend because they're long they're like thirty our buses like this is this is a big distance. And so I would say pick one area one of the four airports, essentially, like either the north central the south or tariff, Waco and spend time in each of those places. Like, you're not going to do all of Patagonia in one trip unless you're there for over a month. I would say, yeah. Yeah. Because like the. That we did driving from body lift say across the border down Sheila, and we made it down to qualify. I mean that in itself was like almost a month. And we didn't even I think like a month later, he was initially Ford went and so it's a big area. So focus on one region. I would say. Let's talk about weather. So the best time of year to visit is a big question. And you should know first of all that it's opposite seasons. They are in the opposite hemisphere as we are. And so they have winter while we have summer, and I think the best way to describe the weather down there is well how about unpredictable. Yeah. You guys heard that part about the wind in that little writing that I that I read at the beginning the wind down. There is infamous like it is just in fact, wasn't it Brittany? Wasn't it on our recent group trip down there that that they were explaining the wind of the world like wasn't one of the guides? Someone was talking about it. Rough kept going the land of the wind will too. True was so is the other group. I just remember recently like on our on our one that we were just down there. Someone was saying like if you look at a map, there's no land that far south like in the world from like, Australia, all the way to Patagonia. And so they were describing it like you get the full force of the wind like of the world like hitting patio because there's no landmass to stop it. And that was just a really cool way to kind of think about it was like, wow. Like, you certainly feel the power down there. I mean, there was one of the days that remember the last day of our trip was like the Razi wind I've ever experienced down there. Holy goodness. The wind definitely showed up finally on the last two days and that that was the strongest win. I had experienced in Patagonia. Yeah. We were literally hitting the deck. We're trying to hike to Fitzroy that day in hell ten in Argentina and the wind was like hundred mile an hour gusts, and it was the kind of wind where when you walk it blows your front foot into your standing trips us up yourself. It's like serious wind. And there were multiple times. It comes up so quickly that gusts that like it will literally knock you off your feet. I think colts Maria the time of that. Call to got blown off the bridge running the marshalled wet feet. Yeah. Because he didn't hit the deck fast enough. Like, we're like hanging on to the floor to the rocks to each other to each other. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So the wind definitely fierce down there. One of the biggest. Yeah. If you bring well, I think let's we can talk about packing later. But definitely a wind layer is important in Patagonia. I also think that to kind of sum up the weather. The Chilean side is a lot choppier than the Argentinian side at any point in Patagonia. If you compare the temperatures I bet it's warmer in Argentina and a little bit. What's the word? Milder like less less win less. Crazy crazy because it's closer the step like it's closer to the desert. You know? And so you don't have the variety of the mountains. I mean, you can walk like a mile and be in a totally different climate on the Chilean side. There are so many different micro climates in the weather affects that big time, which affect the weather big time. And so it changes a lot. It's very. Hard to predict the weather. So basically with Patagonia know that the seasons are opposite and bring all the layers like. Bellied reading Harry, sunny, it is in the morning every day they say four seasons in one day. That's the weather in Patagonia. And it's on the Chilean side. It's absolutely true often in Argentina too. But I sure and chilly it's like you can get remember the first trip that we did to the w r I mean the first group trip and we had that snowstorm. We had like wind sun we had everything ES literally in that one day because it was it was the day we did French valley valley because on the way it was like sunny and beautiful, and we had great weather, great views on the way back at had started snowing and everything was coated in white. And I remember actually ho totally different game moved in. Yeah. Totally so very unpredictable weather, but basically high season is gonna start. I'd say. November through April. That's like spring to fall in Patagonia. Peak season is for sure gonna be January and then June July August is middle of winter. You can skied on there. You can ski in both body say and in a tiered off Waco out of Shwe. So on the Argentinian side they have a couple of mountains. And then obviously you can ski in Chile. Well, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's some really world class mountains in Chile, but they're they're little little further north in Patagonia, don't go to pedagogy to ski and chilly unless you're doing like back country towards but there are resorts to see out in Barlow say an initial. So if you wanna go for skiing go for skiing another question than I have listed here is what languages spoken there. And that is most definitely Spanish finish. Yeah. There are a lot of influences from indigenous cultures. Down there. And so you're gonna find that still existing people who speak the languages, and then a lot of the names come a lot of the names of the places and the businesses down there, come from the native languages, and actually that's where the word pedagogy are comes from too. I think for as a fun fact because people want to know why it's called Patagonia. Patagonia comes from what the Europeans called the locals because they were like bigger people than the than the Europeans. And so they called them like Bigfoot people and bought the gun is like Bigfoot sort of not like the creature. But like literally means like having like big foot. And so the would be the land of the people with the big feet. Fun fact, that's why it's called butter Ghanaian. Yeah. The clothing company was named after the region too. Because we've honored and Doug Tompkins actually took a trip down there in the. Late. I think it was nineteen sixty nine. Have you guys? Have you seen? Hundred and eighty degrees, south the document, right? Okay. You guys should watch that it's about it's about their original trip down to pedagogy and those two ended up founding the north face and Patagonia. So if you wanna learn more about those you can watch that. Okay. Do you have anything else to add for trying to begin to understand how to start planning for a trip there? Just to piggyback on what you said just know the region's you wanna do pick it out and plan, your logistics, like, no, no, if you're driving, no fear bussing. No. If you're flying in let that shape your your trip. So you're not rushing that would be my biggest. Yeah. And how about time time length? In any one section of Patagonia. I would say two weeks is not too much in any one section. No in any one section that would be like if you were to fly into buddy legiti or fly into it's a two weeks. Because you can do a lot and you can bus out from each area. You could you know, if you buy into Poon Dutta as you could bust into the Argentinian side into cali-, Dale Shelton. You know, what I mean like you can still bus and mix that in with your flights an easily spend two weeks in each of those regions. Easily. Yeah. And I mean, okay. So there was one time that I was down there and a friend of mine came in medicine, and she could only swing one week. And so she can she came into the w with us. It was so sad to see her go after being there for like five days 'cause it takes like two days to get down there mind, you it is far away. It's very far away. It's like a turn our overnight flight from the United States to get down to Santiago. So as far it's like travelling to Europe or something like it takes like up to fifty hours like it's just a long ways away. And so make sure you factor that in when you're when you're going down you need like two days of travel on either end of your trip. And so that's why two weeks ten days. Two weeks is is is an ideal amount of time for any one section of Patagonia. And the second that you add another one, then you add another, you know, I would say ten days to two weeks. Yeah. Realistically ah just to give yourself enough time because there's so much ASEAN do there are like seventeen national parks on the Chilean side alone. I don't know if you like quite inaccurate number. But it's something right around there. It's it's insane. Oh, it's if you're not renting Currier eared counting on public transit time too. So that also which is how I two weeks was definitely realistic because you have to put in that you're going off of public transit time to get to the national parks or have you can find public transportation to all these national parks pretty much. You don't have to rent a vehicle, but you're that's gonna make your days take longer. So you have to factor that how much how much time are you spending on on the logistical side of it just to get to each of these places, and what times the national parks closed. Like, what time is you're allowed in them at such. Tre. So on the note of renting cars, it it's similar to anywhere else in the one way rental is going to be way more expensive, some places might not even do it. I'm not sure, but. There's also wicked campers down there. I know a lot of people have heard about those, but wicked they rent all sorts of shapes and sizes of vehicles that can get you off road. Some of them have rooftop tents. Some of them are camper vans. There are those options. And so you can look into that the end of civilization is is pretty much like part, though, vodkas port the month area dots like I like embody. Let's say like at the top like northern Patagonia. That's like the end of the road literally on the Chilean side is the end of the road. And so once you're there, that's where you can like stock up on everything kind of it's an ideal place to start your trip, if you're driving south because you can get everything you need, and then you can take off. But just remember like you might have to take your car right back up there because unless they'll take it like way south somewhere, and then you cannot drive. I mean, you guys can listen to absorb eighty nine for. The details on the Chilean side again. But I just wanna remind you you you can't drive all the way down the Chilean side. You cannot you either need to cut across into Argentina and come back across like a comeback at L codify or you get on a ferry with your car. You get your car on a ferry and you can continue. But there you cannot drive all the way on the Chilean side. So make sure you know, what you're up against just do research. It takes research. This is a complicated area. It's not like. It's complicated because it's not it's not heavily populated. There is no cell phone service or WI fi in a lot of places. It takes some planning up front when you're going to be in powder. Ganja because you don't wanna get stuck down there somewhere. You know, either out of gas or realizing that like, you don't know where the next town is I don't know. There's just it takes a bit of effort and in places like torso pine national park. You have to have a reservation now they're changing things because of over tourism. They're trying to keep up and make sure that the park is being taken care of. And so you have to have reservations in advance. If you want to stay in the park, you can't just show up. They won't even let you in any more. If you don't if you don't have proof of at least a campsite or something and those websites are really difficult to navigate. Because because Chile because Patagonia because Tina like it's just it's you can't expect the same sort of service as you get here in this country in the United States at least because it's just different. They're like if their website goes down their website goes down, if they're having problems there just having problems like they're not gonna fix it. In three minutes, they might fix it in three weeks, if you're lucky, you know, like it's so different down there. Which is why? And maybe we can talk about this for a little bit too. I highly recommend tour operators down there like go with a group trip because a it's an expensive destination. Anyway, okay. I mean tours are more expensive, but it's an expensive destination. Anyway. And there are so many like ins and outs businesses that aren't listed online schedules aren't listed online things that are you you can figure it out. But I will tell you it will stress you out and a lot of things you're gonna have to do the minute of or show up twenty four hours before you know, like there's a lot of logistics involved that are that argon include last minute planning that you can't figure out in advance. And you just have to show up and be ready to do that and be flexible, and I know that that doesn't fit into a lot of people's a planning habits or be timelines, or you know, willingness to get out there and do the legwork and stuff. And so if you go with a tour operator, you can have all of that just kind of taking care of for you. And so now Brittany I want to ask you if you'll answer this question, why do a group trip versus independent travel down there? I was so for the W specifically when it comes to planning the logistics of the W and the time and the money that you would spend two planets, and then what you get out of it. And then what I got out of like your group trip. It didn't it made more sense for me to spend. I didn't really feel like I spent much more if any more to go with you go on a group trip where all those logistics six that are a headache. Like, you were just describing are just taken care of for you because it's like the hiking itself. I could I could do on my own, you know, at this point, especially, but it's the it's the arranging reserving the camps bites to make sure you have somewhere to stay all of the nights that are gonna work in the correct order because like you were you Hainault you might have a campsite at French valley on Monday. But what if you don't have anywhere? They don't have a spot open for you on Tuesday, you know, in or, you know, so it's like it's ranging all of the the logistical side of it not having to worry about that. It's hard down there on the W specifically, you know, I didn't up doing like just a day trip to Los tortoise. Uh-huh. And that was fairly easy logistically to arrange from portent Attala, there's buses that leave every morning that drop you off at the welcoming Senator. And then from or excuse me, the drop you off at like the check in you know, where you pay to get into the park. Yeah. And you get your day pass. And then then the tortoise dough Pinay hotel has shuttle that comes pits you up from there and drives to the welcoming center for like three thousand Chilean pesos. And then that same shuttle connects you back to your return bus into put the Natalia's so I did a day trip. And that would just to just high close tortoise was was quite easy to arrange however on that day was when I was really talking. I was talking to people that were doing that bus ride to start the w or they were finishing the w and then one guy was just doing one night. And he had arranged a one night stay at El Centro, which is down at the base of Los tortoise end. I hadn't I hadn't even heard of that refugio to be honest. But it's funny. How you? Notice those things when you're with a group. I didn't even notice the welcoming center, it didn't notice all these those group and all of a sudden like others this building here. Yeah. Listening listening to their stories like even he was he was like I I have this reservation. He's like, I think he's like, but I was there was all these problems with online and just listening to their stories. He wasn't even positive that everything was like set like like, you said he was showing up hoping that that was accurate because there had been so many, and I can't even tell you what all the issues were. But he just was having issues online. And then I met other people who had just finished the w and they said that once they got on it and started going things lined up. But they started it not like, yes, they had their reservations. But they started it not confident that it was going to go. But those reservations were really just because of website and yak nickel glitches and language barriers. And so they actually start like had a lot of is uncertainties. So just listening to their stories and also having done my own research. Into again, the W specifically by the time, you pay and spend all that time planning that planning not in trying to make sure that you have the reservations, I mean the end product that I get from group trip. I'm able to focus on living in the moment. The experience I'm not worried about where I'm sleeping the next night. I I know I have a warm bed at the end of a windy rainy crappy day, potentially even though to gorgeous day might still be a rough day in. It's nice to know that you have a nice roof over your head. I'm that type of camper. A rough weather. If you can guarantee me, sunshine all night or sunshine, and you know, not too crazy of a night. Like I will camp times all night. But doing it the group trip, especially with yours. You know, you you're in the refer. He does your in these amazing domes, you you kind of are getting this whole different experience that to me is well worth it. And that makes my experience with with the nature side of it with seeing the towers, and you know, seeing glacier, gray and kayaking and all those experiences. I'm able to focus on those experiences instead of logistics when I solo travel, the logistics become a huge part of the planning. I mean, it's huge. You have you're worried about where you're going to sleep. What you're gonna end especially down their mum. If you're going to be camping if you're gonna be in one of the national parks, you have a lot of logistics to cover cliff and taking that out in its contest, it is highly constant and not having to carry your food in the whole way. I mean, I know there's opportunities to to to cook along the w but. Are to buy food along the w but that's really expensive if fears staying in the hills, and so when you buy that whole package, you know, I was looking at the prices of staying at the Rubio's in I you know, alternately the packages generally, I don't feel like you're paying much more to get like a much more all inclusive experience. No, it's absolutely worth it. I think to just have it taken care of the logistic crazy. Also, specifically on the w that park is literally split into three proprietors. And so there are three different websites that you need to coordinate between two book. I mean, at least two depending on your route. But if you're camping then you're looking at three websites for your lodging for your food etcetera just to like be there. And so I mean, it's just yeah. That's what I try to do with this group trip is say, hey, like, I know this is a difficult place. I've done it. And you know, I've sorted it all out, and you can just jump on with me, and I've taken care of I've taken care of everything. And so, and that's what I think people are starting to realize like the real value in. That when they when they start to try and book things on their own, but you guys out there if you want direction for if you want help with booking like, if you're looking for a tour operator, I don't wanna I'm not I can't offer to help you guys. If you're going to do this independently because there's way too many logistics involved. However, if you are looking for a tour operator, you can contact me 'cause I can hook you up with some people that I know down there so reach out to me on Instagram, traveling Jackie or shoot me an Email through one of my websites, and I can point you in the right direction for tour operators in basically any region of Patagonia because it does get really confusing down there. And it's nice to just have a contact. You can talk to and just like sort it all out. So you can contact me for that end. You can of course, jump on one of my trips. That I seemed to keep doing every year. I can't stay away from this place. And so like this year, this central Patagonia one is we're going to do or hitting like three. Four four national parks, five national parks. I like counting in my head just waterfalls glaciers kayaking marble, caves poof. No. Yeah. That happening this November. So if you guys want to check that out, traveling, Jackie dot com slash Patagonia. You can contact me through that page to if you need to for something get on the list at least for group trips. If you're interested in staying tuned for how you know what I'm doing in the future there with group trips Britney can attest, they're pretty let's say, I might I might be a little biased. But I mean, I've definitely done some solo traveling at this point. And I've done your group trips. And I don't do a lot of group. Actually, I don't do group trips outside of it. But you know, the way Jackie sets them up the partnership. She's has in the regions that she goes to their well-planned. Their thought out the details like I said, you can focus on on the moment you can focus on living in the. Moment and just experiencing it, and let them handle all the rest of it, the food the logistics. It's amazing. It's all it's always been taking. We've always been taking care of grades though. I cannot recommend enough. Thank you. Thank you for saying that allowed. I know I know you do it's so cool. Actually at this point. I've run five group trips and you've missed one of them. Don't mention Jordan Dino, enjoy to one you didn't do, but Jordan doesn't exist. It never saw. Aw. I'm not I'm not better. I'm not better. Oh you. I know I know. All right. So well, okay. Let's really quickly go over Pat, like how you would pack for pedagogy just because there are some specific things. I would say like do not go to Patagonia without these things. I actually do have a list that's like a packing list for the specifically for the W circuit, which is kind of tricky because of the way that you carry your luggage and out in backs and the. Accommodations and stuff. I I will link to all the Patagonia things on the show notes page for you guys. So that you can see all these things in one place. I'll put all the links there for you. You can find that out traveling Jackie dot com slash podcast. They'll just be listed under this show. But if just for quick references, the packing lists the cut that outdraw guide the group trips etcetera, I'll put all that stuff there. And then how to contact me if you guys want if you're looking for a terrar- Reiter down there. Okay. Packing. I actually have a quick little list here that I wrote in my notes when I was on the cut that I was throwing last time of things I would never go to Patagonia again without. And the first the first thing is waterproof, hiking shoes because I used to not do that. I used to bring running shoe while okay? Here's the thing. I have now discovered. Waterproof, running shoes Reuter proof trail running shoes. And I as a trail runner and as a carry on traveler like I cannot bring running shoes an hiking boots. It takes up way too much space in my bag. So when I discovered waterproof running trail running shoes, I was like in heaven. I couldn't believe it took me so long to figure this out. But so waterproof is a huge thing. You guys waterproof waterproof at very thing. Why her proof of burry thing? Like if you don't hear anything else from this episode here that. Waterproof, Dan, still get what I know. I know it's like Patagonia is where you go to test the real waterproofing of your rain jacket, and I've had people on my group chips like throw their jackets away. And finally, the ones down there because they're like, well, that's not waterproof. You know? So that's like a serious thing. Waterproof, hiking shoes. So just a fun little expert tip here. I combine those with Gators. So if the trail is snowy or mucky enough or like, the weather is bad enough. I will combine the waterproof trail running shoes with Gators to keep anything from like getting into the ankles or whatever kind of protect my legs a little bit because I wear running tights when I hike, and then if it gets really bad you put on your waterproof, hiking pants, which you obviously have with you. Because you're in Patagonia. Oh my gosh. I can't I am like ashamed to admit that it took me until this last trip that you that we were just there. It's me to get waterproof, hiking pants, and because I. Without them. I just it's like I went far long enough. I I learned my lesson. Just the hardest way. And it's I mean, if you get the really nasty, bad weather. He you cannot be more miserable in weather. I feel like it's like it when it's bad. It's bad. And so just go prepared. I have a one relate your what? Yeah. Yeah. I have a really nice pair of like waterproof Heike Pence there by architects now like I am not messing around anymore. Let's see wool socks. A will be like a beanie something to keep your head warm an LeBow. Oh, yeah. Buff headlamp baseball hat for like the sunny days sunscreen, big time. There's a hole in the ozone layer down in the southern hemisphere. You guys so bring sunscreen and don't buy it down there. 'cause like sixteen dollars bottle bring it with you. I always say that bring a water bottle in Patagonia, especially on the w. In some places where it's that pure of nature, you can drink straight from the streams or grab something like a grail. We actually got grails for everybody on our last Patagonia trip. We'll shout out to grail there. They back there. They just came out with a brand new bottle called geo press that is so Brittany the one that we had was like sixteen ounces. They made they like solved all the problems with this new one. They they made it bigger and they made an air vent. So that like air can escape while you're you know, that was like our biggest issue is easier. Yes. So quickly with this grill GIO press. It's grail G R A Y L. If you guys want to check them out, I really do recommend this bottle because you can drink from anywhere because it has its own filtration system. But anyway, you can you fill up like the main container, and then it's like a press filter sort of like a French press. And and then you can just drink straight from the bottle. So that's a good one to bring but bring a reusable water bottle. Please you guys hope you're not using plastic bottle. Like one time use plastic bottles out there. Let's not do that. Waterproof gloves is a big thing. Like, not just for warmth. But to keep you safe from the elements like it's windy and rainy down there. And like Britney said, what's your wet your wet? You know, like, waterproof gloves. One. Even if you fall sometimes when it's what you like on the on the ice or different parts kind of protects your hand to definitely I'm a fan. I am definitely a fan of clubs. Yeah. Oh sunglasses. Sad note. Sorry brit. I know you love here's my mazing. One dude. Patagonia eighth sunglasses. I have lost pairs of sunglasses down there. So don't bring your really expensive ones or where crow keys grab croaky is. And on your glasses. Do not let them get blown away. Because Patagonia will eat them. Patagonia loves to eat sunglasses. So where you're croaky is the little strap that goes around your, you know, in hold your sunglasses on your head do that. What else a portable phone charter my anchor? I bring that thing everywhere because electrobi- is few and far between when you're in the back country. You never know when you're just going to be without it. So something that can charge your phone camera. You know, your connection to the world multiple times. Is I think key bring packs of emergency bring bring like noon, tablets for hydration. Like replenishing one of my other favorite things is compression socks. Didn't you get a pair? Yes. They're amazing like. Day on the trail, but the compression socks on that night. And they it's like it helps you with recovery. I mean, you're not supposed to wear them for longer than like, eight hours or something, but like between compression, socks and hydration tablets, those are like it's like helping your body recovers. You can hit the trail strong everyday. Also, the part that you said at the very beginning about how you started training for Patagonia. That is key. You guys train get out there hit the trail and train for it. Because I- Britney you killed it that I you killed it. You were like running on those trails. I swear like when you said earlier in this episode when you said I was at the back of the group. I'm sitting here thinking, no, you weren't like what like no way. I feel like our entire group. Absolutely killed it. And I make a huge point when I do my group trips. I ask everybody, you know, like after they sign up, and we Skype and say, hi, I say like are you ready for this like will you train for this? Are you willing to can you hit the trail everyday because? Not it's not just so you can keep up with the group, which I do think is important like group dynamic as important to stay together. However, you are going to feel so much better every single day if you are in shape to be there. Yeah. Why don't think about Patagonia? We're not worrying about elevation. We didn't say that before. But elevate Mosa Patagonia is like sea level or just within the first few thousand feet because you're at the C like you're down at the ocean. So you don't have to worry about elevating. Thank goodness. Like, that's one thing. You don't have to worry about. But if you really want to experience Patagonia for Patagonia, you're gonna hit the trail like get deep into nature everyday. You know, like so be ready for the elements like train your body. Get good sleep getting shape to hike, and you're going to be the best like physical that you can beat on there to really appreciate where you are. And you will struggle a lot less and then on top of that get compression socks and noone tabs like emergency. And all that. Waterproof, everything. Yeah. Yeah. That's the Kate. Waterproof, everything I can't believe I still showed up with no water at this time. I just do it Brady us Kimball even going back. This is it's like man, I could've used this like for like a year of my life by now, you know, that I've been like instead just like stressing about weather, like, no, they say, there's no bad weather, just bad gear. And I completely agree with that. Because it's just true. Like when you're out there with the right gear. You don't feel it. You're just enjoying experience. Yeah. Very true. Also one other thing black closed because they dry quickly and they're warm in the sun. Have you thought about then I've never thought about that? Now. Warm in the sun. But yeah, black clothes is a good idea. Dry shampoo is one of my face and baby wipes because if you are without showers, you can take care of a lot with those two things. What else do you think all the layers all the layers? Yeah. A good backpack. That's comfortable. Yeah. Good back comfortable and sits on your like your your waist, right? Yep. Yeah. Your hips. Yeah. Brittany. And I have both done were both fans of the far point fifty five by us Ray. That's kinda like, my go-to pack, and I have taken that through Patagonia. Like just about every time that I've been there except for this last time, I took a kite forty six on the w in that it worked really well for the W between that in having like a stuff a Bill day pack, worked really, well, which daypack is really important. That's a good point just for the hikes. You know, like something out of water. Harry your day layers. Carrier, lunch, etc. Like, make sure you have something for that. But yeah, I will definitely link to the packing lists that I have made on the show notes page. But yeah, be ready for adventure. Bottom line. It is an adventure. I I compare it to Switzerland. I have not been to New Zealand, but I hear it compared to New Zealand a lot. It's big mountain adventure. That's Patagonia is. And so it's definitely not for everyone. It's really really not like gone to be willing to be off grid a lot. You've got to be willing to. I mean, not everywhere is going to be able to meet your dietary needs because they're in the woods. They don't have a lot of you know, if you have a lot of restrictions consider that bring your own food if you need to it's not easy to get stuff down there. It's literally like beyond civilization. And so it's far it's not comfortable. It like gets you out of your comfort. Zone. You know, like, of course, you can find luxury resorts down there, and they will take care of you head to toe. But I don't think you're not very Patagonia. Yeah. Well, it can be like me. You're right. Yes. But I mean, I don't think that my listeners are really the ones that are signing up for the luxury resorts, you know. And so you got to take care of yourself down there, like it's very it's the place where you figure out how resourceful you are like that's Patagonia, flexible with weather with logistics with things going like you just have to be flexible down there. It's it's an adventurous place for sure. So just be ready. I guess for anything and be prepared. Be prepared. Give yourself plenty of time. Do the research in advance come on a group show with me. Yeah. Well, you know, what we might even I think I'm going to I was thinking about skipping or putting this into two episodes. But I think we're just gonna leave it as a long one endless, let people listen to the whole thing. So I know that I could talk about Patagonia forever. And that could totally made my day to like start the day off talking about Patagonia. I love it. But is there anything else that you want to add or no, I mean? Yeah. I think the key is just do your research. Like, you said, go prepared really think about what you want out of it. I guess before you sign up if you're looking for like, you said the mountains if you're looking to hike if you're looking to kayak in kind of really focusing on what you want out of it and go to those regions for it. Be prepared have the right clothing. Otherwise, you're not gonna enjoy a you're not gonna let yourself how that full experience. And how to Konate indefinitely condemned only give you an experience of a lifetime. So just if you if you go prepared in let it it'll it'll change us. So watch out watch out. All right. So again, you can find all the notes I'm just going to put some links for this one at traveling docu dot com slash podcast look for upset when one of six and you can find some links there. And then as always you guys group trips traveling jockey dot com slash trips or specifically, slush Patagonia. If you wanna see whatever's happening next for pedagogy with me, it's going to be at that link. Always. And I would love to see you on a on a on a group trip. It's cool because I've actually had so Britney, and then I had Carly Brittany. You know, Carly she even on a couple of trips she trips. Yeah. Yeah. But so cool. She was just on talking with me about about Switzerland because she came cycling with me in the Swiss Alps this fall, and it's such a cool thing for me to be able to like have you people in my life. Also, you know, I mean, I know that as a as a podcast or you get to choose if I'm in your life. Like, I don't have control over you until you show up. And it's so cool for me to have you guys in my life now and get to invite you on the show and talk about your experience. And I mean, you were a listener. And I remember the first time that we Skype, and you were like nervous and look out for that was like three years ago. You know, it's just so special in so many ways, and I love that. I got that I've gotten to share Patagonia with you three times. Maybe more in the future. I mean, your track record is pretty good. Yeah. Maybe I'll see some of these listeners out there. Yeah. You so cool. But yeah, Britney thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate you just kind of helping me I know that I talked a lot. But you know, just helping me kind of get this idea of Patagonia sort of on the table and try and help people with where to start and what to think about. And I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot even to go from here. I feel like we just gave them like square one. Really? It's just that. There's a lot like I could. I mean, I did a whole episode. We had to split that one in two about the I was throw that was like one section, you know. And and so I feel like there's there's a lot more information definitely where this came from. But maybe for another day. And I it least was that. You could almost do an episode per region. I could I do really break down if you wanted to get into details. And you know, I know I know much info there is maybe I will at some point. But at least I hope this gives you guys. Sort of a. An enlightening like to the map, you know, at least showing you guys a little bit about how to start thinking about Patagonia and win to go, and what to expect and. Yeah. And if you have questions, you know, feel free to hit me up on Instagram burnt news on Instagram to what's your Instagram Brett, Britney abroad, Britney, Brad. I remember when you when you change it to that critical. Yeah. I was all excited. It was right before my big. I was when I was in your mentor group 'cause I also did your your women's ventures. Rated. Yeah. So it was during that remember I talked to you is about I was like I'm thinking they changed my Instagram handle. What's funny is we just announced that to like everybody. And the reason you said Brady abroad like you wouldn't be found. We mean just pretend that doesn't happen. You know, I want people to find me that are wanting travel inspiration. I'm not necessarily basically, I'm not looking to get hit up by people from seventh and eighth grade again. I'm still free to check it out. I most recent photos are still potty Goni, actually. So could see that trip. I I did the ten days with Jackie, and I was also down there for a total of a month. This last time it did. So I a body lachey again. So they can check all that out. Yeah. And maybe meet you on the road down there too. Or on a group trip with me somewhere? Yeah. They it's it's very likely. I am. I know. I know I think the chances are a hundred. But there. So, but but thank you for having me. It was it was fun. I I love talking about Patagonia. It's I like I said a very special place for me. And it's fun for me to have this come full circle to, you know, like, you said, I Skype conversation was all meeting celebrity in my mind, you know. Was on nervous in now to to have that friendship. Have that connection of all the people I've met through your group travels through your community in? I love it. So I went to be a part of it. So thank you paint Q. Yeah. Thanks for being here. I just so appreciate everything that you just said. Yeah. It's really guys. Like, we're real people really doing this. It's super cool. All right. Well until next time, which I'm hoping we'll be very soon. Thank you again. And. You guys. I hope you check out those links, and I hope that you will end up on one of these trips with me someday because they are the bomb pretty much so. And with that. I guess we'll let this Patagonia thing. Go for now. And maybe I'll pick it back up again at some point. But thank you guys for listening. You britney? Thank you for being here. I hope I'll see you soon. Now, see all inside of Dona. All right. Bye.
The Name | 4
"Within fifteen years after sixty six garage was thrown from a pickup truck near the u._s. Mexico border. We finally know his real name agnosio. Oh born april nineteen eighty. I'm ed kirkpatrick office at the villa. He's just hung up the phone with victor. The mexican consulate official assigned to garages. This case ed tells victor the d._n._a. Results are finally in an it's a match so then at and i walked through the maze of hallways to room twenty ed ed leans over garages bed agnosio ignacia at an. I look for sign some mhm spark of recognition. A movement in garages is garage. Just stares at ed is he staring because he's reacting to his name or to add ed leaning over him. I'm not sure ed calls for andy. Ignacio's nurse because andy speak spanish ignacio garage looks at andy than me than ed we go through a series of commands and questions hoping for reaction seaport seaport lift your left hand. If your name is ignacio those that are no link wants blink twice garage smiles but i can't tell if that means he understands or that ed. Andy and i look ridiculous. Ed says his name again agnosio nothing. I don't know what i was expecting. I suppose i thought that once garage hurt his name. He would somehow come back to life. I'd become like the other families of the villa the people at once written about like steve whose wife was in the motorcycle accident. He's always looking. I'm for signs of life than raffaella. Is she squeezing his hand. Is she looking in his direction as she's smiling at him. I had once described the families. The villa is being in a state of disbelief their circumstances forcing them into magical thinking at this point how different i'm joann fairy in this is chapter four of whom twenty a new podcast from the l._a. Times studios it's about a man called sixty six garage who lay in a hospital bed ed for fifteen years unidentified and about how my search for his name and the circumstances that put them in a san diego nursing home changed not just his life but change my my life to room twenty is brought to you by a._d._t. What does real protection protection mean for you with a._d._d. It means you can get all of the latest innovations and smart home security combined with twenty four seven monitoring from the most trusted name in home security plus. It's custom a team of professionals will design and install a secure smart home just for you and your needs nothing more and now you can get safety on on the go in the car while your kids are at school or while. You're on vacation the a._t. Go app allows you to know exactly what's going on in your house even when you're not there. There's a reason a._d._t. Is the nation's number one smart home security provider visit a._t._t. Dot com slash podcast to learn more about how a._t. Can design and install a secure smart home just for you a._d._t. Real protection so first off now that we know garages name. I'm going to stop calling him garage josh and call him by his real name agnosio. I know his last name to but i'm not going to reveal it because he's undocumented so here's what i've learned so far about agnosio i know he was in an accident in the desert. In june nineteen ninety nine. He was nineteen years old hiding in the back of a pickup truck. After crossing into the the united states. The pickup ran a stop sign and was hit by a car going sixty miles an hour on the highway. The truck flipped ignasio flew out of the bed of the truck truck and onto the pavement he was taken to a hospital in san diego and that's where he was likely given the name sixty six garage after nine months when there was no chance he'd recover ever walk or talk or regained consciousness. He was transferred to the villa. It seems simple enough the story but something still doesn't make sense. How did the california highway patrol. No agnosio was nineteen if they didn't know his name was it a lucky guess. The accident report lists agnosio birthday as a one. Oh one thousand nine hundred eighty. It's typed with a handwritten question mark beside it. According to the border border patrol database ident- the one where agnosio his fingerprints were recorded. He was born three months later in april of nineteen eighty. These birthdates don't match a now. I'm convinced there's something fishy about this this whole age thing remember that other. John doe the thirty thirty year old who died the day after the accident. He was identified soon. After he died. I tracked down his autopsy report and it has his name in his age. He really was thirty another lucky guess. I've got to figure this out. I'm starting to believe leave. Someone must have known the garage. Real name was agnosio. They probably knew it on the day of the accident otherwise. How would his age have made it into the newspaper the next next day. I'm so convinced that i go back to imperial county again and again with the accident report as my roadmap. The sixteen page report describes in detail. What happened in the crash after the truck flips. Some people are thrown out onto the road into the fields some run as many as six according to the report four men are injured ignasio the thirty year old who was a john doe when the newspaper clipping but died the next day was later identified and two other men with spinal injuries. Their names are in the report. Both are from mexico. I try to find them. I even look into hiring private eye but the p._i. Says he can't promise he'll find them. Either that leaves me with two other names listed in the report report the two guys in the car that hit the pickup truck the one driving the car about ramirez thirty eight years old and his passenger thirty six year old gregorio 'gorio flora's mendez both are injured a- bells left leg is cut his seat belt route in half on impact but about doesn't go to the hospital title he tells police will get medical care on his own gregorio complains of pain in his chest and left leg and taken to the hospital in an ambulance. The accident report lists the same phone number for both men. The number belongs to a farm in brawley about a twenty minute drive from the accident scene. I call the arm and a woman named barbara jean answers. She doesn't really want to talk to me. I offered to send her a copy of one of my early stories but agnosio. She tells me to fax it to her. Her and i do but barbara. Jean doesn't call me back in fact no-one at the farm wants to talk to me. Eventually the guy who runs the farm amending. Dan speaks to me on the phone and he's angry. Dan doesn't want to talk about the past but he confirms that values to work for him. Dan tells me abell has since died gregoria though he still works there and dan remembers the accident he got a call because abell and gregorio were on their way to work on the farm that day. He drove out to the scene to check on them. He says the other guys. The guys in the pickup truck were as he put it a bunch launch of illegals. I hear that a lot in imperial county the word illegals to refer to undocumented migrants many of whom work in the fields <hes>. Dan won't give me gregorios number but he says he'll give gregorio my message that i'm trying to find him. I hang up pretty sure. Gregorio will never get that message. Edge imperial county is farm country picture. A grid of rural roads marking farmers fields carrots cauliflower our onions lettuce broccoli corn. It's all grown here. Sometimes i see no one in the fields or just alone tractor but one time i get lucky he and see if field full of workers the people who own the farm in brawley won't let me on their property but there's nothing stopping me from parking my car at the side of the road waving down the men in the fields. A guy named hallway is sitting in a truck not far from the road. I walk over and introduced myself. I show mc nauseous photo. I explained he's been in a hospital hospital bed for fifteen years because of an accident that happened not far from here and that i'm searching for a man named gregorio might know what happened as we talk other men gather around the truck where he speaks english so he translates very ordeal. He knows some goria was in nap. Today's the same what he was in so i wanna ask gregorio really. Do you remember do at the actor hope. They tell me that if gregorio uh-huh is an older guy which he is by now he's about fifty. He probably works in irrigation. I'm one of those giant sprinklers. You sometimes see in the fields where he doesn't work for the same named farm owners but he says he'll ask around and we trade phone numbers. I go back to the accident report and i find the name of the first responders d._v._r. Even european is listed as the photographer at the scene of the accident. I find his address. His wife cindy is in the front yard watering plants. She calls for david in the house and the three three of us talk in the driveway. I asked david if he remembers the accident zero five fifty five hours he added been thought the time was going to work sukhbir gun despite being listed on the accident report is a photographer. David says he's never taken a photo at an accident scene but he might have been there that morning because the sheriff's department was often called for backup when there was a big crash on the highway i tell david there's something i'm trying to clarify how someone of the we knew agnosio age but not his name. I asked him if there's an unconscious person at an accident scene. Would you ever estimate in age to put in your report. You give a age bought spectrum like fifteen to twenty something like a young adult type thing. I would narrow down anymore. Let david says trying to guess at the age of someone who's lying on a road injured and probably covered in blood is like trying to guess the age of an animal put anything in a paper. Do you didn't see her. You can testify true. You don't want to put something in there. I don't know why so why would they. How would they know he's nineteen. Hugh gets his mind anyone else you think i should talk to the sheriff's. Deputies back gone well. Who's the highway patrol heather chase so she lives not far from you. So now. I go find heather. That's after the break and we're back. Heather chase is listed as the officer who wrote the accident report she. She isn't with the highway patrol anymore but she still lives about twenty minutes from the accident scene. Her house is near the end of a cul de sac in a neighborhood full of spanish style tract houses mm-hmm. I knock on heather's door several times over the course of a few weeks before a catcher at home. She agrees to talk to me but asks me turn off. My recorder. Heather has short blonde hair. She's in her late forties but looks younger. She remembers a lot about the accident because it happened on june tenth nineteen ninety nine her thirty first birthday <music> heather remembers getting the call hoping it wasn't serious. She wanted to go home early to celebrate when she saw the bodies on the ground. She says she felt guilty for for thinking about herself. I she remembers the man lying on the center divide with the large gash on his head. She believes that was agnosio. I show her what she wrote in her report that day. That agnosio birthday was zero one zero one nineteen eighty. The date is typed but there's a handwritten question mark beside it. What does was that question. Mark mean i asked. She says she doesn't know. How did she know he was nineteen. Heather says someone must have told her so she wrote it down. She certain she wouldn't have guessed in age the day after the accident. She says she called the hospital. Where nausea was taken. She was surprised he was still alive. Uh and still unidentified. She was even more surprised by the name he'd been given sixty six garage. Heather's never forgotten the man. They called sixty six garage. She says about six months ago all these years later. She was getting gas when she heard one of my early reports about garage on the radio according to medical records sixty six garage was traveling in a van near el centro when it crashed back in june nineteen ninety ninety nine and she thought oh my god he still alive. I ask heather one more question before i leave. 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Cards they fall out of pockets and into the back of his ambulance all the time. He tells me he would never get someone's age in an emergency situation but he might describe someone as a teenager or young male. The report also names the woman maria who made the nine one one uncall- so i tracked her down to maria lives on boca road next door to louise's v._a. Hospice the may talked two months ago about the stop sign at the intersection and here's another a pit bull. Maria side yard sticks his head through the metal pickets of the fence. An older woman with salt and pepper hair answers the door maria but she doesn't speak english and i don't speak spanish telephone. Okay can wait. Can i wait. I'm scared of the dog dog gets her son on the phone. Does your dining room table. She tells him she doesn't remember making nine. One one call another dead end and another mistake on the accident report while i'm here i go next door and say hello to louise's v._a. Haas and for the first time i meet his daughter brenda she remembers the accident. I remember hearing the the cars crashing because you could hear for my bedroom. It was early in the morning. Brenda lives at home with their parents the same bedroom where she was sleeping on june tenth nineteen ninety nine what i did. I opened up the blinds and all i saw was a a pickup truck. Just on its side in a bunch of people running a bunch of people and i was like that's all i remember in then i heard the the helicopters and there were like around this area trying to find find the people that would have been the border patrol helicopter and i thought that was fast. You know right after the accident you know usually the beliefs and all of them come like later later. She wonders how the border patrol new about the accident so fast how they got there even before the beliefs brendan louise's no i'm looking for witnesses from the crash and the waste remember something something he heard at church from someone who knows someone he knows because there's a manigault goes to our church that no lewis says he was telling a friend about the accident and that friend said he knew some related to someone in the accident a woman according to this friend. This woman works at big. John's a convenience store less than ten minutes down the road. I get my car in head over. I'm going to speed up here and tell you. It took me a few weeks to finally meet with the woman named maria florez gregorio sister gregorio one of the few guys living who was involved in the accident. Marie tells me gregorio lives on the other side of the border in mexico and commutes to work on the farm eventually. Maria sets up a meeting between me and gregorio. She tells me to be at her house in el centro one monday afternoon in january twenty sixteen. It's winter in the desert late afternoon. The sun still high enough to light the sky and indigo blue. I park on a residential street lined with single story homes. I'm nervous as they get out of my car. I often get nervous before a beginner view. It was tough have to find gregorio and i've built this moment up in my head. What if he doesn't remember anything. Maria answers her front door <music>. Her living room was dark and there he is gregorio sitting on the couch. He's fit with a handsome face weathered from a lifetime time of working outdoors gregorio doesn't speak english so as niece caroliina translates so what do you remember from the the accident on evan hughes highway and bowker road quarter alexi. Oh tell me from the beginning back then gregorio carpool to work with the bell the man who was driving the car that day they both lived in mexico and routinely crossed the border to work. They were on the highway when gregorio saw the pickup truck on bowker road. He says he could tell the pickup truck. Wasn't i'm going to stop at the intersection going to quinta. He says the driver was going fast. Maybe fifty miles per hour i can he could see the pickup wasn't going to stop and then they hit. I asked gregorio. Was anyone anyone chasing the pickup medium. You seem important for troll. Gregorio says he saw border patrols flashing lights close behind the pickup when the accident happen so it's true the pickup carrying agnosio sped through the stop signed because it was being chased by border patrol it. There's no mention of a chase in the newspaper story or the accident report and so you get hit and then what's the next thing you remember you told us joke gregorio says he annabel stayed in the car because they were in shock so they just sat there trying to like talk to each other trying trying to make sure you must make <hes> a gentleman that was dragging <hes> the impact was so hard that his seatbelt busted tested and then he broke his his toes on his foot and what did you see happen to the pickup truck. They killed him. Autumn yellow jacket to corio gregorio saw people spill out of the back of the truck and run he remembers to men who couldn't move one long on the pavement. The other in the dirt on the side of the road both face down according to the accident report. The man i am lying on the pavement was agnosio. Gregorio says he assumed that the two men lying face-down were already dead. Let's around the turn gregorio or members that there was clothing strewn everywhere he thinks the men in the back of the truck were hiding under suitcases and they'll sukkur is tweet on there. You go the owner you are. The ambulance took kim and one of the unidentified men to the hospital. Gregorio says the man look dead. Grigory spent eight days in the hospital and was off work for a month breath abell the driver. The one who seatbelt torn to six months after the accident abell died from a blood clot gregorio believes it was from the impact of the crash gregorios still drives by that intersection and each time. He says he thinks the accident. I hear lot about border. Patrol chases when i'm an imperial county that they were common and often unreported back in the nineties in in nineteen ninety. Two one chase began on the freeway in southern california and ended in a suburban neighborhood near highschool. Six people died including four teenagers. Where's that crash led to changes in the border patrols. Pursue policy agents had to stop the chase. If the risks outweighed the danger posed to the public. The suspects spects got away that policy is still in place today earlier this year a propublica an l._a. Times investigation found that in the last four four years twenty two people were killed and border patrol chases and at least two hundred and fifty people were injured. One six year old girl wound up up on life support. I wonder what the border patrol saw morning back in nineteen ninety nine that made them believe the people in the pickup truck posed a risk and if they were pursuing someone they thought was dangerous. My word those details included in the official accident report. I imagine agnosio as the teenager riding in the back of that pickup truck hiding under suitcases the rhody was traveling was a straight shot from mexico to california with few barriers barriers to discourage the quiet agreement between cheap migrant labor and the farmers in the valley. What was the last thing he saw the last thing he smells. Did he see the lights of the border patrol. Did he notice the helicopter in the sky. Does he remember any of it <music> today room twenty the california sky looks great through the patio doors. It's late afternoon when you notice. It's time to turn on the light. The radio is on and there's music playing something upbeat from a spanish language station. I'm sitting on my block folding chair between agnosio and his new roommate omar the man who is riding his bike when he was hit by two cars. I'm writing notes on my laptop like i usually do. Oh omar hasn't changed his position in weeks. He's staring at the ceiling. I don't know if the gray sky or something else about my mood dude. I wonder why i'm still sitting here in this room. It all feels hopeless. I write in my notes that day. Nothing has changed and then something happens and look up from my laptop and see the roommate omar turn his head toward the radio in slow motion like if he moves too quickly something might break. I walk over to his bed and look directly at him. Yeah so i'm friends with the man next to you. Come see him yeah. I've never really seen omar space space before he's always looking up at the ceiling his huge brown eyes and they're open and then i just noticed you. Were trying to look up. You want to blink once for yes trying to tell us your hair. He blinks blink once. If you know your name is omar he blinks again. Okay okay good job. I saw i saw it as i'm gonna get ed here. I'm going to get the nurse here. I text ed kirkpatrick. Can you come soon must show you something next time. Omar is awake and i go to ohio and meet ignasio sister her. What she tells me convinces me someone did know agnosio name the day of his accident. This show was reported and executive. It produced by me your host joan varian. My senior editor was susan white room. Twenty was produced by elliott time studios clinch off and camillo victoriano johnno with production support from neon media special thanks to sam terry and andy triplet for production and research help during my reporting to discover more about the story go to l._a. Times dot com slash room twenty.
Game Changers Leonard Nimoy
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Think those shows in the sixties actually change the nature of science fiction for an audience? Leonard Nimoy is the subject of a very personal episode from me of game changes. His character of Mr Spock changed science fiction on television and maybe other mediums as well for the first time that medium got to see humanity through the eyes of an alien who himself was half human. Leonard Story is an immigrant story as his parents fled the oppression of Ukraine and settled in Massachusetts and in March of Nineteen thirty one. Their Son Leonard. Nimoy was born. He never forgot his Jewish heritage and like many immigrant children from many beliefs. He Incorporated IT INTO HIS AMERICAN CHARACTER. After many odd jobs as a child that help support his father's barbershop business. Young Leonard received encouragement from his grandfather to be an actor at seventeen. He had his first acting role in Clifford. Odette awake and sing. The young actor took a chance and moved to California and with money he saved from selling vacuum cleaners. He enrolled in the famous Pasadena. Playhouse don't know about Leonard. Nimoy that he was a veteran serving in the US Army Reserve Nineteen fifty at at Fort. Mcpherson Georgia now. In his early twenties Nimoy taught acting classes in was involved in a fledging theater company. Kind of take us back to those days and the company and what was it like for you. In that time I was. I was teaching acting classes in a studio on I think it was on El Centro right in the middle of Hollywood just off of our road near Melrose and Vine Street. Some of the students were interested in studying and acting company. If a company and one day they came to me and they said we think we have found Building that might be right for us. You come and take a look at it with us. It was only about two blocks away so we walked over to the building on. I think it was at the corner wearing and vine street then look like they're could work and I laid out the designed for the way. The way the seating on the stage should be laid out in the building and we began working on creating a theater and We went into rehearsal for a very long period on on. I was looking for a play for them that I would direct. I was looking for play that would that would put your work as many of their actors as possible so we can have a lot of rules a lot of people. There was a play by Tennessee. Williams that we chose the community out very large canvas. Play a Lotta Lotta people a lot of scenes And I was intrigued with it and I thought it might be fun to do. We did the casting and When typical period because we were rehearsing in a theater that was being built so physically it was very difficult and after a long period of building problems. We're getting building permits electrical permits and plumbing permits and one thing another and working on on minimum dollars and rehearsing at the same time. Got To be very complicated at least while I was around This was after months of work on this project. We never did get to play open. But we put a bunch of actors through their paces pretty good And eventually they got the senior open and they've managed to remain a company all this time and I get a lot of credit for it. Yeah that's great and and so many people not only yourself and Robert but Richard Chamberlain Vic Morrow have all literally flex their muscles their exactly. Yeah and and the stage is so important. I firmly believe that for active. I think if I remember big moral directed a production of loan. Oh Nice but I'm working. Beautiful Production Yeah. After appearing in many b movies he got a break in kid monk baroni which he hoped would gain him more attention but the film failed to generate any buzz rose followed and movies like zombies of the stratosphere them a personal favorite of mine. I might add and also the balcony. Would Peter faulk and the aforementioned Vic Morrow TV then came calling the appeared in sea hunt wagon. Train with a bit of irony has gene roddenberry so trek to the network as wagon trains at the stars as with many star Trek actors. He appeared on bonanza and even worked with the Forest Kelly in an episode man of violence. Ironically he also appeared with William Shatner in the man from uncle episode the Project Street affair but in one thousand nine hundred sixty four came the role. He is most identified with filming the pilot of the cage at science officer. Spock the network booked on his pointed ears looking to devilish and the pilot itself but was unprecedented. They ordered a second pilot which became where no man has gone before. Gene roddenberry insisted to the network that Nimoy return as appointed ear. Mr Spock. They wanted him out. Not The actor character their series was picked up on NBC and in early episodes. We saw spock occasionally a little bit more emotional kind of grimacing and smiling at times but then as the actor and the writers helped shape the character crafting it into the one. We love so much if there was one episode that was sparks coming out. Party was the naked time. I really felt it in a way. You're directing star. Trek started pobably in naked. Time when you literally stage the scene. Where spock is crying and the camera. Does this incredible the Ali around you? That was just amazing. We're in a very fertile period and the directors were open to ideas and and and bill shattering myself and Kelly often came up with the touches and character ideas and seen ideas. That were helpful. But you're you're pointing to a special one for me because It was a scene that was not in the original script and And I asked for that seemed to be written. I described it. I said I think it's it's a chance to really reveal what the interior what sparks interior life is all about so they wrote it for me. Oh stays in very quickly. It was late one day Almost wrap time and they told me we just have one crack at this and then we have to wrap so we. We did it quickly but a- turned out to be quite effective and and shortly after that episode went on the Air Fan mail for sparks just went through the roof. Yeah I think it really it retouched. According to audiences feelings about the spock character recently the original series was given new digital special effects. And we talked about that now for the original series. Have you had a chance to see them like the special effects that they redid for a little bit of it? I can't say I've actually sat and studied it but I've seen a little bit of it. It looks very good to me. I think there's been a very good job of enriching the look of the show. Fortunately they're not changing the stories stories. What made the whole thing work? And we still have very very limited production values but the show looked pretty good. I think it holds up extremely well and I think you said it the stories now. It's just amazing. You know what they what they have some very talented writers who were passionate about what they were doing and the result is good storytelling in a man like it sung here like gene. Coon also man by the things that he did he was he was really ready. Instrumental in in making the series. Come to life and then also yourself is an actor bringing all these things. Spock you know that public wer- weren't even on the page. I'm sure the best the job I just show up and say the lines. There's not enough for me. I think I think the job is bring whatever. Create them energy your candidate to the process. He never forgot his Jewish heritage and used it to create the famous Spock. V Salute in the synagogue. The KOHALMI would ask to congregation not to look as a blessed faithful with may the Lord bless and keep you and may the Lord Causes Countenance to shine upon you may the Lord Be Gracious unto you and grant you peace young Leonard Peaked and the Vulcan Salute had its roots. He also came up with the Volk and neck pinch. He suggested it to a director on the episode the enemy within and Bill Shatner with his reaction so did very well as he was the first one to get the pinch. Leonard Nimoy developed his skills as a poet photographer playwright his play. Vincent about Van Gogh's brother. Theo played on stage even sang on two different albums. Recorded during star Trek's TV run. I always considered you like the Renaissance Man of Star Trek. Because of all the things that you do the wonderful that you that you've done I mean fantastic and actually I have to confess. You actually came to my college back in one thousand nine hundred seventy six railway at William Paterson College in Wayne New Jersey. Oh good I'm glad I took the treat was you. Were you. Were promoting your books when I think of you remember that your poetry and you know we all got a treat of listening to your poetry stage. Yeah Yeah and actually. I had more of a treat for the college radio station. I went backstage and interviewed you with a bunch of other reporters fun. That was a lot of fun. Good so that was a great kick and of course. The directing I mean obviously there is something about being the second in command For for Star Trek. I don't know what it is about going into the director's chair. You've done it in Jonathan. Frakes have done it. I along with many reporters interviewed Mr Nimoy Beckett College in one thousand nine hundred seventy six for my college radio station. I asked him if he would ever direct and a few years. I asked him if he would ever direct and two years later. He started in Star Trek the motion picture and then in one thousand nine hundred eighty four. He directed both Star Trek three and in one thousand nine hundred eighty four. He did just act directing star trek the search for spark and then Star Trek Directing Star Trek. Three the search for spock and then following that up with star. Trek Ford the voyage home one of the most star Trek one of the most successful star trek films ever friend and Coaster James. Doing who was Scotty? Of course on the series and movies talked about Leonard's directing those movies to me and Ernest Louis in one thousand nine hundred ninety six best director wherever Leonard. He talked a lot. The time may director which was number three and number for says if he said to himself. I talk too much so he just would give us one sentence. Tell US exactly how it should be played in. He's just terrific that guy. There's more with Leonard Nimoy on game changers so stay tuned. I am C. Three. Po Human Sidewalk relations name more high and angel. Kobe and I take one of it. And then I this is really behind. I plead in Lord of the Rings. And you're listening Sifi Rodham Prosper after Star Trek Leonard. Nimoy worked in animation and hosted the popular series in search of actually going to be coming back. He also hosted lights camera action on Nickelodeon but spock was not totally out of his life even though he had wrote. I am not spock and then eventually I am spock to successful books about the character and his visions of he voice Mr Spot a company he co founded with John Delancey in a production of spot versus you and in two thousand nine. He returned to that role on the big screen at spot. Prime in the J.J. Abrams Star Trek reboot. It was great to see you in the New Star Trek film here and I'll tell you I remember sitting next to my girlfriend and watching. Us Bach and say. I want to see more of him I said. Do you know how much this has suffered? This character has suffered and he looks relax now went through life death and resurrection. Yeah Yeah I had a good time doing it. I think it's a very good movie. It is a very good movie and spock was used well too for the for the fan boy and all of us the scene between you and Zachary was amazing. That's interesting seeing yet very interesting. Yeah Yeah exactly work. I think it's a very good actor. Invading sellers an actor then came off very well. Well one thing. Jj did very well in. This movie was casting. He really did an excellent job in. You know I mean the effects and all that that'll take care of itself but but if you don't have the I mean the shoes at they're filling digital's it's just talent that that is Somewhat unique that a lot of directors can do the very big special effects movies and there's some directors who can do the personal character moments. But he can do both. And and that's that's not not typical. I think that that's really the measure of his talent that he can do very big picture but he can touch your in the middle of all of that with with the intimate moments. After that he appeared spot primary star Trek into the darkness and his character was more on Star Trek beyond after his passing his relationship with J.J. Abrams led him to appear as William Bell on fringe. Now was it during Star Trek that he recruited you to play William Bell infringe after really well after the call about William. Bell came to me about two months ago. It was long after the had opened so it was a whole other whole other issue. But I I'm enjoying it. I've done two episodes so far The first one was really just a an announcement of my my presence. I just came on on on scene. Essentially simply said. I'm William Bell in the next episode. That I'm in which I think is airing on October. Eighth there will be a much more Much Much more revelatory presence of what William Bell is all about. I think it's GonNa be an interesting episode. This interview was done in two thousand nine and he was far from retirement as we talked about a photography exhibition he had coming. I am doing some photography work. I have a A new exhibition that will be opening at the Massachusetts of Contemporary Art. Next year my first solo exhibition a major museum. So I'm I'm working on that it's It's a series of poor Chris and a forty minute video of my conversations with the with the twenty five people whose portraits are being shown the show because secret selves. And it has to do with secret or hidden or or fantasy lives people coming to be photographed. Secret self very interesting project and I'm very excited about looking forward to the public response. I think it's going to be very interesting. What's interesting too is you know you're from Massachusetts. And you're going home a little bit right exactly so I think Thomas Wilson's wrong well. I keep trying go to Boston occasionally. I'm I'm I really enjoy the city. I think it's a great city and I try to get back once in a while. The impact of Mr Spock. I feel we'll span generations at a convention in Atlanta couple of weeks ago and I I got touching note from a lady. Who Said thank you for your portrayal of all these years as a misfit really up. I didn't look to spot for answers but it helped me to see him. Struggling with the same questions. That was pretty profound. We always had a a a high respect for you but I think even went up a notch. Thank you very much thank you. I mean what you did for Star Trek and science fiction on television. I don't think we'd be watching fringe or an all these things you know. I I have to cover all this stuff. And there's so much out there it's It's started with probably star trek the twilight zone and those those shows in the sixties actually change the nature of science fiction for our audience. I think you're right. I wouldn't be doing this. Podcast without the impact of the twilight zone which Leonard appeared by the way and episode quality of mercy with Dean Stockwell. And of course Star Trek to me Mr Spock character that affects me very deeply and is a voice of reason to me in this chaotic world. If I do anything else in my podcasting career interviewing this man who is truly a game changer will be a favourite highlight. I made him laugh and I can't express what that means to me words. Just don't cut it. I miss you Leonard Nimoy and will love the man you were and the character you help create thanks for listening to a very personal game changers episode. I'm Tony Gelato. Shane One apple. Take to the way. We're all going about doing things. These days has changed but one thing that hasn't is Lowe's commitment to our customers. We're here with all the things you need to keep your home running smoothly. During this important time our stores are open and ready to help or you can also order online at Lowe's dot com or download our APP and we'll deliver right to your doorstep.
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NPR News: 04-05-2019 3PM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Lakshmi Singh. President Trump has just arrived at El Centro naval air facility. The starting point of his latest on the ground push to rally the public behind a border wall with Mexico later this hour, Trump will lead a roundtable discussion and collects ago, California about immigration and border security. He his decision to declare a national emergency at the border in light of the influx of migrants that declaration paves the way for him to divert government funds toward the construction of a wall, California. Attorney general heavier Sarah says what Trump's attempting to do is unconstitutional. It is time for us to make it clear that if you want to build something using taxpayer money, you gotta give permission California's among twenty states suing Trump over the emergency, declaration attorney general William bars, directing the F B I and the bureau of prisons to investigate allegations of discrimination against LGBT. Q employees NPR's Carrie Johnson reports bars responding to concerns raised by a group called DOJ pride. The organization represents lesbian, gay bisexual transgender in queer workers at the Justice department last month, the group wrote the new attorney general to express worry about low morale and possible discrimination DOJ pride set of recent survey found that Justice was having a hard time at -tracting and retaining workers. In response. This week attorney general Bill bar signed an equal employment statement the statement declares that no job. Applicants should be denied opportunity based on race religion or sexual orientation bar also directed the FBI and the Federal Bureau of prisons to look into discrimination claims Carrie Johnson, NPR news, Washington. The Federal Aviation Administration is defending itself against allegations. At some staff who helped approve the Boeing seven thirty-seven max aircraft were unqualified to do. So NPR's Russell. Louis reports the FAA is responding to a Senate investigation in a letter acting FAA administrator Daniel L, well says all of his agency's inspectors who approved pilot training requirements for the seven thirty seven. Macs were qualified the max has been grounded after two similar fatal crashes in Indonesia, and he THEO via a Senate committee opened an investigation Tuesday after whistle blowers alleged FAA, employee's responsible for the aircraft certification lacked proper training a preliminary investigative report released by Ethiopian authorities this week found that crew members followed Boeing checklists after the plane nosedived uncontrollably after takeoff. Boeing CEO is said the company is working to solve the problems. Russell Lewis NPR news US stocks are trading higher with the Dow up twenty five points at twenty six thousand four hundred ten SMP's up eleven points at twenty eight ninety and NASDAQ is up forty points at seventy nine thirty one. This is NPR. The artists who helped invent the paint by numbers concept has died. Dan, Robins died at a hospice in Ohio. He was ninety three years old NPR's Elizabeth Blair has vis appreciation. If it was good enough for land Nardo Davinci. It was good enough. For Dan Robbins in the early nineteen fifties Robbins worked for Palmer paint company in Detroit. The owner wanted to expand their children's market Robbins new the legendary Davinci used a numbered background pattern for his assistance who would work on his masterpieces by the mid nineteen fifties, some twenty million kits for both kids and adults had been sold critics were aghast. But Dan Robinson Larry tells NPR his dad never really got caught up in the is it art debate. He said he just wanted people to have the experience of making art whether or not they had any skills. Elizabeth Blair NPR news, the Ohio man who lied about being the Illinois. Oy. Boy who vanished eight years ago. Reportedly has lied to investigators in other missing persons cases before according to an F B I affidavit file in federal court today. Twenty-three-year-old Brian Rini had twice before falsely portrayed himself as a juvenile sex trafficking victim in the latest case rainy claimed he was Timothy Pinson who was last seen in Aurora Illinois at the age of six the US economy bounces back adding one hundred ninety six thousand jobs in the month of March. The unemployment rate held steady at three point eight percent, I'm Lakshmi Singh. And PR news in Washington.
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Estados Unidos 2020: el peligroso viaje de Donald Trump
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