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Some people are making bread in quarantine. Others are making TikToks
"The during this pandemic lots of people are learning how to make bread but many others are learning how to make tick talks from american public media. This is marketplace tech. I'm molly would. The short video platform tiktok was already a big hit before the pandemic but since so many people have been stuck at home since march a lot. More people are discovering it and even though tiktok is in the news for its new. Ceo kevin meyer. Who was poached from disney and for record labels who think the service should pay more to publishers and artists for using their songs and for actual calls to ban it in the us over its chinese ownership and security and privacy fears. Well people like marketplace own. Hey super alvarado are finding that in quarantine. It's just kind of fun. More than three hundred million people downloaded tiktok in the first quarter of this year. That's fifty percent more than last quarter and total two billion downloads. Laura pearson a student at usc who happens to be my roommate started hearing huge buzz about tiktok ride before her spring break. Her friends were sending her lots of links sketches and dance videos. So she downloaded the out thinking. Yeah nice easy way to kill some quarantine time. It's like this cute little app. You can record videos. She started to spend more and more time on tiktok when she wasn't zooming into her classes soon enough. She started producing. She recruited arlene. Pereira are other roommate. She's of course also home from her teaching job at el camino college here in southern california. They chose zico's any song. So we spent the whole night trying to figure out how to do the dance and have a certain level of swag arse it out of the way in the living room wall. My roommate's discovered how much time it takes to perfect tiktok dance and that just gave me a whole new perspective on tiktok that you see these super silly videos but boy is it quite the production darlene. Then we all decided well. Let's do this. We invested in a really nice phone Tripod with a Cute Little Bluetooth control on Amazon. You can even find bundles. Called Tiktok kits including a ring light tripod and some other fancy stuff with prices ranging from forty five sixty and even up to ninety bucks. My first tries to sketches not amazing but still funny right now. Almost two thirds of tiktok users are under the age of thirty four. It's especially popular with eight hundred. Twenty four year olds. Yup that's us. Talent agents are getting in on the action managing famous tiktok trying to get work in Hollywood and connecting social media. Influencers already making big money. Laura is showing the TIKTOK universe for crocheting wizardry and as for our lean. She has a few dance. Talks and droughts including one two the song wannabe by the spice girls and for me keeping my day job for now that was marketplace assistant producer. Hey Sues Alvarado and Roommates. Now that I think of it. I don't Crochet. But I do knit. So maybe I also a future tiktok wannabe and for the first time ever tiktok will be virtual attendee of the new fronts events later in June where it hopes to attract digital and TV advertisers to the platform and now for some related links. We've got into a piece about Ted talks new. Ceo All the work. He has ahead of him. And I'll tell you what. I know that lawmakers have their concerns tiktok and its owner by dance but it is GonNa be real difficult to pry this APP from the hands of the youth of America. Emarketer reports that Tiktok added twelve million unique. Us USERS in March and this is crazy. People spent an average of eight hours on the APP in that month compared to an average of five hours on instagram. Oh there's a link to that story from to filter on our website marketplace tech dot org. I'm just saying maybe TIKTOK. And be the peacemaker in us. China relations. I'm Ali would and that's marketplace tech. This is a PM.
148 - Live at the Community Center Theater in Sacramento
"Support for today show comes from the new Amazon series homecoming directed by Sam 's mail, the creator of mister robot of mister robot based on the critically acclaimed podcast by Horowitz and Michael Bloomberg. Homecoming stars. Julia Roberts is Heidi. Bergman a case caseworker at the homecoming transitional support center, but for years after starting a new life Heidi face with questions about why she left the facility and she realizes there's a deeper story beyond the one. She's been telling yourself started watching it. It's creepy and good Oga. Don't miss homecoming stream now only on Amazon prime video by. Hey, you guys at the end of this show. We've got an exciting announcement tell you about so, please, stay tuned. And listen to it. It's four you by. Hello. Hi, ary one be thanksgiving. Happy thanksgiving everyone. It's a thanksgiving special thanksgiving episode that riposting for you today. That's right. We're about to put another live show up the Sacramento show with very special thanksgiving guests, but it's potholes. Everyone. Broke so long ago. Okay. Well, let's potholes, but we just wanted to say hi, real quick and happy thanksgiving to everyone on their way to hang out with their families. And well if it's Thursday, they're probably there. Right right there. Many of you are probably trying to get away from your family and in the other room with your your buds, then realizing you didn't bring your Xanax prescription. Forgot it somehow or you fucked up the sweet potatoes right staring at you out of the corner there I up or your vegan. And you're just like, I don't know. How how do I have to explain another year that you know? I don't eat Turkey. Yeah. But Di we shrimp. No. No, I'm different than you. And then everyone making fun of your truck or what is it called, the vegan tofurkey? Oh tofurkey. Yet. I mean, definitely drink today. You're allowed to and that's something you can handle doing. Definitely eat today. G yourself. Well, take things lightly. Don't take things personally. Remember, everyone's a flawed human beings. Right. Especially your parents actually members who director family who hurt your feelings for no reason for decades. And also, please remember that if that's not actually the situation you're in. And you're with a group of people that you like to talk to get those stories for yes, we want to know family secrets we wanna know murders. That your mom has murderers that your mom dated, right? They wanna know near misses strange happening. All your sister in law who you don't have much in common with this curve. If she knows any murderers, ask her what weirdest thing that's ever happened to her in college. And she'll be able to tell you five interesting stories. Do you have any weird uncles are incarcerated? That's right. We that's the first thing you should on that. You haven't talked to before at your thanksgiving dinner demand to know, if they've been in jail, or they know anybody in jets, right? And just kick it off from there you go do that after I'd say the fifth beer. Yes. So everyone gets a little loosey goosey. That's right. You know, or just enjoy yourself in another way, or we're just giving you the guidelines of what he should do. What are you doing? Thanks. Giving I am going to be with my family. We now have the best thanksgiving. That's basically like a family friends giving us so we don't normally we go to my aunt Joe's. But she lives like you set in south San Francisco. So it's just a pain to get on that day. And so we've been staying in pendulum on and partying with family. So nice. It's really nice where I don't know. How I don't know what. My sister was thinking. But she did this like like, we've been parent kids have divorced. Parents our whole lives, basically. And she should know that you don't we have two thanksgivings. That's like what you do. Right. Somehow. She was like, I don't wanna fucking deal with this. You guys have to hang out together on thanksgiving. So we're going to like a old school steakhouse. Oh, and my mom will be there. And my mom's wonderful boyfriend, John. And then my dad will be there too. So I'm gonna be drinking. Plenty it now can Mardian Janet sit at a table together. They can be theory civil they'll be very civil and get along. Okay. Mom did say I just don't want John to become friends with your dad. I totally get get that. I know you're ex becomes friends like with your new boyfriend or whatever suddenly they start swapping stories about what a pain in the ass. You are actually I know. She's right. She's totally right. From far away from each other so much going to be going to be living through that on Thursday. Now, are you going to get steak or you're gonna get thanks Turkey Turkey. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a good. I think thanksgiving might be one of my favorite holidays. Just because that meal is so like satisfying, so good. And then for days, you get to eat it. Yeah. It's fun. That's what's not fun about going out to eat because you don't have leftovers you should order to entrees. And then say I'm back in that eating disorder, again seeking home for sandwiches, and rather lie that I have I'm still with my eating disorder than just say I want to take it home later. That's what use my suggestion is at any time that you can tell people lies just always be throwing people off your sense. They don't need to know your business is keeping and keep them M Y O B. And then it makes what's that minding their own business. But with a you. And then keep make yourself always seem more interesting that some so boring. That's right with them with what without all my eating disorders in your secrets and your Turkey secrets right? Keeps them Turkey secrets this holiday season for yourself. You're worth it deserve as much Turkey as you want. And don't forget to buy yourself. A little can of the cranberry jelly. Oh, yeah. Not not cocktail not the one with the weird shells of cranberries. No, no, no, delay lane old jelly in the Ken that has the can rings Janet and everybody. So you know, exactly how much the slice off one hundred percent. I now I can't wait for thanksgiving. I'm so excited. Well, guess what? Let's thanksgiving today. Enjoy the the live at the soda everyone. And we'll be back next week with normal episodes normal people in like that that are normal. Don't order to entrees. Eating disorder and don't tell you to order. Right. It's really normal. We're so normal you guys the normal. Okay. Sexy and don't get murdered by Elvis thanksgiving. You wanna cookie? There. It. What? Smote working. Talk loud. Don't make the microphone do all the work. You have to really project from your. Yes. Mike. That let me see that. Thank you. Excellent. It's just my style too. Because it's just like a piece of paper and a sharpie she's like. This afternoon. Thank you. I love it that down in her chair tonight. And she was like does anybody have any neon yellow poster? And who has a sharpie? That's just my style. That was really a lovely welcome. Where it was very beautiful to hear you scream that loud at me. And I know that seventy percent of it is rage. I know that and I like it. You've fallen into my trap. What I want? People here tonight are kill garra. That's. That's right. Either kill Gareth's or the St. hell cats, that's my other. That's that's my posse. That are you a gay yet? We were gang in nineteen Ninety-one. We were what they call beer gang where our weapon was alcoholism against ourselves. And we lost the gang more. We lost it all we had a great time. Doing it works. You guys sent us. So many postcards to my the oh blouse. Sacramento, Morterero's, my the post guy. Thank you. My post office guy hates my guts. Now so much that he's kind of a dick. It's Georgia's personal PO box. Right. So she is where she's getting like she'll be like, oh, look what I ordered from Sephora, whatever. And then it's like fifty thousand postcards of like get up here. Now bitches. Okay. Do you insist we did? Wasn't like that before. But. Okay. You have something you want to show me an excited about it. Sucking T up. My thing. I brought a picture. Just so people understand because I think there's a lot of people trying to suck and talk to me on Twitter about how I need to apologize. I need to do this. And that. Not happening. Can you can let that dream die tonight. Parents. Look at her. What this city did to her? Look at the pain in her eyes. Look at the pain behind the blue eyeliner around her as did you run out of eyeliner the whole city, and that's why you hate it. Because you used it all. My neck is three shades darker than my face. This is so this is my friend one of my closest friends, we went to high school together. And then she said to me at the end of senior year. She goes I wanna go to sex state. Will you just come with me and live in the dorms with me? And I was like, okay, that's Patty Riley, give it up for paddy Reilly. Now, the problem was I didn't get my paperwork done in time because back in the eighties. You had to parent yourself. So I didn't I didn't have a couple of helicopter parents being like does your paperwork for you. You're gonna have a great time in college. Literally, my mother like through it all down was like we're going on a cruise you later. So I did turn it in. So I had to live with my sister. And my cousin Nancy for the first month of college. And they they'd come in. They were there they'd gone to junior college first, and then they came. So they were like twenty they were over it. They didn't give a shit. They wanted to live in an apartment they wanted to be adults, and they did not want me on their couch. Their pull out couch every morning, I was like do I have to make the couch or can I just go to school? My sister. Put her make drink now. So then we finally got into the dorms, and that's my roommate Shelley Wilson. Who who sure give it up Shelley Wilson of Modesto, California? She's. She is REBA mcentire's number one fan. Oh, my God fucking kidding. But if you take a look up to the left you'll see that I was not REBA mcentire's number one fan. I enjoyed echo. I enjoyed the bunny men. There's never been a more eighties early nineties photo ever taken Shelley's hair is taller than all of us. If she was not that tall. Her sweater is just like what's up by maybes? Those who like shapes shakes, shake everywhere, it's crazy special in shape, shape fashion. It's drink some. But then, of course, just kind of round out because one side is REBA one side was the Bunyamin. So to kind of bring to join those that sounded like throat cancer. To kind of build a bridge between those two we just line the walls Coors light on my God. I was I don't know. I don't remember finished another one. And then just put it up clink clink go in the class. Probably not. And your face. I've never seen such anger. It looks like my cat mimi's phase. Just this. Why would you take a photo of me? Like, what are you doing finish? It. Do it and be done with it a love it little did. She know what the fucking future held. Soapies everywhere. So sad. All right. So anyway, it's your fault. Not mine. Thanks so much. Thank you. Tell them about what you're go. And when you talked about you're wearing a Halloween. Thank you. I'm excited to be wearing it because there's a little skulls on it really can't wear it a lot because I'm not cough. So one time of year. I gotta wear it. We're dressing up for Halloween show. So I couldn't wear it for that. Haven't worn it in so long. I forgot it was ripped. Please ignore that. When's it from like, oh two you're in there? You got in there. I worked for one some tour. It's it's essentially Puckett. It is because you could throw change in there, and it would stop right there. That's the new thing is just make your own pocket. Rip your address keys pen nights chief shit pen random change. Let me get let me get my Johnson gum yet. What about yours? Those are nice. You I will say shoe, right? Oh, I know it's hard. It is hard to hear a little echo with each other. Now, I've had these really fancy I do the thing where I find one pair of shoes that fit in my by them in eight hundred colors, then I just oh these are the same as golden or as gold. Same got married in my rent and they're comfortable for doing and now show. No. They don't advertise with us anymore promote code. This on the other hand pocket pocket. I was going to tell the raisins story. But I think we posted that show. Everybody knows it. We don't have stories anymore and the tour last leg gotta start going crazy and doing drugs, so we have cool stories to tell about rock and rollers foreing. All we do is order food and go back to the hotel and sitting bed and eat food and watch Renzo files. Pretty sweet sometimes crack at tiny bottle of wine from the mini bar. Sometimes I'll crack a Pringles can I've never I've never liked Pringles until we started touring. And then I was like damn these little guys are everywhere. I go like little friends. To welcome you to your hotel room. It's me and that guy with the mustache talkin. Famous for Pringles Aaron. Oh, that's so sad. Bring go guy. The Pringle guy. And I are quite close. Should we? Oh, dear. Two. Vince just said to us manager slash our husbands. Just to her husband. You're gonna laugh when you see the chairs. It'll be he's not wrong. This is. Yeah. The tiny. Hello. Oh, this is precious. I feel like a baby. I I kind of like it. I feel like if we got this table up a little higher these cheers little lower. This could be real soup. He's. This into my. Soup. It's going to be great. Whoever's telling the story has to sit on the table. That's a good idea. Right. Yeah. And the other person leans way back someone is getting stabbed in the audience in a happen. It's going to happen. Oh, by the way, welcome. This is the podcast my favorite murder. This is Karen kill Garo. This is Georgia heart start. We usually do a gag about Stephen being under the table, but Stephen bit it doesn't work not gonna work. He's home. That my house. I hope is at my house. I haven't gotten one cat photo yet to know. He's definitely dead. There's no way. He's not. Yeah. I just realized I might not have left him any keys. Camila? Here's the thing. If that is what happened. He is scaling the apartment building. Like, he will not let those cats. He won't let a thing happened to those. You know, in fact, he bought he brought home somehow t shirts for them less weekend. Like that's internet gold. He's like, I'm getting followers tonight. Yeah. No, he's he absolutely lives entirely on social media. I actually don't know if he's real he might be. We actually never met him in person young. He just downloads themselves to when we take hologram whatever you just like paid so much money Stephen hologram chosen. He was like I'll just with you guys for three. No, no, no. We're getting twenty five thousand dollar hologram. Sorry, you're getting a pay cut because it costs a lot of money. It's just it's what we need for the ethical for the show the show. It's what's best for the show, and they bring real Elvis. Stephen simply can't get a break. Listen, we need tiny stools we tiny. I wouldn't have it anyway, gotten real bossy it shows right diva big. It's happening up here. I love that. They gave us a rug. That's in kind of some nice autumnal tones gorgeous. Really nice Sacramento. Really nice. This is a trick run comedy podcasts. Yes. What that means is this is a true crime comedy podcast. And right. And so oftentimes live shows people will bring other people who don't listen and are not interested in this podcast to the podcast live show. It happens. A lot many of you are very codependent. You simply won't you won't leave other people alone. And so you drag people we call them drag loans are here against their will. We got to we've been drug along this shit. Yeah. Tell you make love work. I've been to so many wrestling shows you. But I don't mind cause there's good snacks. That's how it works. And I've eaten so many Pringles that's not the same or relationship. Anyway. The combination sometimes of true crime and comedy is uncomfortable for people because they might assume not knowing us not listening up being best friends with us the way, you guys are. Right. You those? You guys give us the benefit of the doubt. You know us, you know, our intentions, hopefully, so sometimes the combination of true crime and comedy makes people uncomfortable because they think oh, no. They think it's funny that people get they think it's funny that people are victimized. That's not the case at all. It's a very complex combination. It's the people. It's our interests are passion. But then it's also the way we talk to each other and deal with life. Yeah. Making fun of it. That's right life. Not life is crazy and dumb and instinct, and you have to make jokes. It's important. So if you are in that situation, and that makes you uncomfortable. We just the two of us just want to get the fuck out right now. It's important. Really? Truly. We hope you don't rather you fall asleep. If you're really bored. Don't like angry, then we don't need it. We already have big Earl yelling demands. And it's the first five minutes of the show. You're not wearing blotches. But you just pointed at it, see that's comedy. 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Great job, people are competing to have it be bad up there. It's like, it's your culture intense everything involves knives where you're just keep the knife down for fuck and second just until people's mind with your weird is everything's tough. So incense as like a list of murders to choose from. And I was reading Nilsson like to line thing. Most just getting bummer and bummer this like, oh, man. Home this on the other hand, although it has a touch of violence as we like, it's truly I knew that it happened, very distantly. But I never knew the details of the story squeaky, man. She fucking was craziest shit. What it is is like me in the Pringles can man she devoted herself to the man that she believed it was going to save the world. Very similar personalities what if you look closely tonight, and the Pringles can guy has swastika carved into his I'm just saying what if fun to imagine by weird things. Most of the information, I got from this was from or is from and the pictures of website called Cielo drive, which is completely dedicated to the Sharon Tate, and the lobby Oncle murders. And there's tons of pictures a really really good very thorough website where every member of the Manson family has their own individual painting. It's it's I appreciate it. For them. Doing my homework for me. And of course, God zone Wikipedia. I mean how live. How did we live before with a PDF? Oh, I do. Lynette Alice squeaky from was born in the insana Monica on October twenty second nineteen forty eight to an 'aeronautics engineer of a father. That engineer. Other yours got damn Eric not engineer and a homemaker. She was the oldest of three. But they grow up. She's born in Santa Monica wouldn't to do with my thinking, go up high do stack them on top of some water bottles. Do that's good good. Yeah. What's best for deep contact only by con would if we both got under the table. We in what we call the Steven position. Okay. Now, they grew up in a area called Westchester. I don't know if you're familiar with that, and how violet counts limit is happy, healthy and talented child. This is very interesting when she was eleven she dishes for and makes it into a very exclusive touring children's dance troupe called the Westchester, Larry. It's really mad because one of the websites. I found this on they posted this picture, and I was like holy shit. We got a picture of squeaky from in the West Chester, Larry, it's, but then I realized that they had just pulled a random picture of six girls dancing, and there there you go. There's some Larry it's like sort of how it works. She dancing children. They pick their feet up and put them back down. It's called dancing. It sounds intense. Yep. But she made it and the group travelled throughout the US and Europe they they'd been around for like ten years. They did shows at the White House. They did shows the Hollywood bowl data. Joe's. Lawrence welk. Where's that? I thought you're gonna say on this very stay on this whole could you imagine? I bet they did. Guys. We're going to the capital shine up. Your tap shoes. We got to put on a very best sucker memento. That's how they talk in Westchester. In junior high. She's very popular. She has lots of friends sure, including a classmate she met in drama class a young Phil Hartmann. No, no fucking joke. Unless what Kapiti is lying to you. Eighty percent possible. That's a weird bit of trivia squeaky from and Phil Hartmann were buddies in junior high. I wanna see that sketch that SNL sketch. That's what what what exactly it's kind of like we're doing this in a canyon up here. There's what's that you say. Okay. In eighth grade Lynette is given the yearbook superlatives personality plus over my God. Plus drugs. Okay. So but see there. She is. She she'll cute normal getting young innocent. Gil, I had that hair. No joke. It's good hair. I did that eighteen nineteen or so a nice. Hi, Bob hard. Bob appear like a little mud. Sure. Did you ever? Just stick a boat to the top of your hesitate. That's what I plus like to do for school pictures. I only had personality minus the pluses, the boat the pluses. Okay. Let's make this. That's not real. There's actually been some history about the Westchester. I lost my place because I was just like I don't want to talk about the Westchester, Larry. It's anymore. Okay. Four years later that was junior high four years later, she's in highschool below ING it she's totally on drugs. She's flunking out of every class. No personality. No. Plus she's been there done that. So didn't join a cult though. Good good. You just raved raved hard. It's kind of a cult. It's a cold itself. But you you've got to be in charge. In. Then that. Stick dance. Branding grinding all your teeth down powder. Sweating sweating. Okay. I am told the story on the podcast before. But that just reminded me. My one of my oldest friends. Dave Messmer is also here tonight. Oh is he the singing your face? What's the singing in your face? Yes. Oh shit. Dave messmer. This was eighteenth street hill cats party that we my Davis can Dari was there. Dave messmer. We're all shelters. We all their Alicia, my friend, gazelles and just all around. I'm just going to name me people every single one in the. But we were all quite high on what we called marijuana and somebody put on that fucking delight CD, and it turned out the Dave new every single word to grooves in the heart and every other song on the album. Dave you, and I later tonight we're going to have to sing off. You're going to party. We're just gonna sing any faces at. Here's the thing. Singing and people's faces is is okay. When your high in someone's lip synching in your face. So I could hear his kind of like high lips sticking together like in the hung out and shit. And I kept going, please. I was really pleased eight so please, I'm begging angry face, please. I can't my face. Can't get any paler. I hate this. Here's why love him. And here's why he's one of my best friends the world. He would not stop. He wouldn't he wouldn't he wanted to have his own good time. Okay. The nets dad is a super strict bastard, and so she barely graduates from high school, and he's like you have to go to ilk, El Camino college, and she's like, okay. And then, of course, sucks at El Camino college because if you can't cut it in high school, there's no way let me tell you from firsthand experience. Right. Don't get easier. And those grades when you when you get more independence, and you're around beer and drugs more you don't get better at split. True, high school good indicator of how you're going to do in college. That's right. Yes. I am. I didn't college terribly. I'm afraid that that Zach state people are gonna come and find me tonight spe- like, you know, what you didn't have to do much, and you still didn't do it. Did you? Taking up dorm room. So limits dad kicks out of the house and she becomes homeless. So she does all depressed in Las people. Do she goes and hangs out at Venice beach. It's garbage heap. Truly. Unless you're weightlifter. And then I think it's really great, very freeing. And all your people are there or if you're looking for drugs. Lots of drugs. Yes. Great great beautiful tourist place for addicts. Yeah. That's great. So in Venice beach. She meets a charismatic young rambler by the name of Charles Marie Manson. He had just gotten out of the federal penitentiary Charles Marie. I made that up. I made it. My fuck and show. How did you do that in Sacramento? A low chair to kick off. Yeah. It doesn't really. It's not kick. It. China's. So it's Charles Marie consumption who has competed past please change his middle name. And let's all start that rumor. The becomes a fact it'll be that thing of like, you know, John Wayne's real name was Priscilla like back in the day. They were like some names. You're like is that a girl name? No. I'm worried about masculinity. God forbid women or men and men are we going? That's not my America at. Okay. Charlie's just gotten out of the pen any as lots to share with anyone who listened. And of course, Lynette is right there. Why died and probably on acid? So it all it sounded fucking great to her. She's like say it again, Charlie the part about the coming race wars will end the world, and we should all be in a cave, and then place long the guitar. That's awful at all. So jabar's away at her. They become fast friends, the whole time. She's staring at him going personality. Plus. Pluses fucking insane. Looking as I yeah, that's the plus the plus is malignant narcissism. Plus, okay. So she's a devote e kind of like right off the bat in a nineteen sixty seven she settles in with him and the rest of the Mets and family at the Spahn ranch. This is like a weird picture. You know, there's lots of spun ranch pictures that you see where they're all like crouched in a cave like just blazing on LSD or whatever. But I look in baby out of the family plead. They had a couple of Manson babies us there. She is right there. Right. That's her over here. Look at her and looking at her back to look at it. Tell me what she's wearing. She's a Cutie. I don't know. There's like a belt or under head or something. A wait a second. This is when she was in the pirates Penzone. Shit. Will they look like they're having a great time. Gotta check those photos. So that's her loving life in the Manson family the side of it. They don't want you to know about. All right. I think it was kind of fun. Sometimes we. All right. She gets the nickname squeaky because the grandson of the ranch owner who is also a Manson family member says that that's the sound. She would make every time he touched her. Did you know about that at Amal, Aji nickname? That's making me uncomfortable. Yeah. How does that work? Or? She's like, I'm not squeaking. It's only when starting to come down off the LSD where she isn't. She starts. Squeaky. I just want to go back to junior. Yeah. Sure. So as we all know in October of nineteen sixty-nine Charles Manson got four of his followers to two nights of multiple murders horrifying murders. The first night was Sharon Tate's, ceelo drive home. And the second night was at the home of Leo and Rosemary labianca, and they were all arrested in October. Sorry, October of nineteen sixty nine when they were arrested and then the remaining Manson family members they camp outside of the jail where the Manson family is being held. So here's some of the Manson ladies. And they were there to talk about how Charlie's innocent they were kind of trying to say like he was innocent. This wasn't his thing because he wasn't actually at the murders as we know. But they were all there to talk about. How awesome Charlie was. Then we go home. Didn't it didn't work. So then. Right. Everyone's like their knee get up. No three. There's going down there, whatever. So then they decide their shave their heads. What's that gonna do? Just like freak out the man. Yeah. They freaked out the man when ladies become men and eighty. Little breaks loose. Make sure you vote. Okay. Victor vote. Dietrich dimaggio. So listen, here's what I kind of love about Lynnette squeaky from. She didn't shave her head. She's like, I have a really good hair. That's the plus is the red hair. Yes. I honestly think she was one of those kind of people who is like, you know, what we should do shave our heads. And then everyone else says go sit on the sidewalk this is perfect while she's like, I'm not gonna do it. But there's a reason I have to watch you guys the man's coming. But I'll be, but I'll be look great, which they've had by the way looks amazing people are losing their mind. Even with all that loving support. Charles Manson and the four of the family members found guilty of murder and given the death penalty, which is eventually commuted to life in prison, as we know we know it this is the baseline crime. It's the reason we know who Lynette squeaky from is right. That's how we she came into the world in a very disturbing way. If you weren't a fan of the Westchester, Larry, it's this is the way, I know her from the West Chester, Larry right because she you're so cowgirl just like her. She was great galeria danced with her, heart and soul. I have to say I did pull about four different pictures of Laurence Welk just to give an example. There wasn't a picture of her on it. It was just like I love Lawrence will. So I just started pulling pictures of like to lady singers dressed like astronauts. This is genius. Later with the Pringles is for you, just look through the slide show cry me and the guy look at this this hilarious for goes guy. Stevens like sorry, where do I put this? It's like it's a picture of a guy playing the clarinet. You can take it out. Forget it. So Lynnette squeaky from has never charged for any of those crimes, but in April of nineteen seventy-one. She served ninety days in jail for attempting to feed a hamburger laced with LSD to Barbara Hoyt who was a witness to the Tate murder how how many bytes that did Barbara take zero. She's like sorry, crazy luck an each fucking charbroiled weird hamburger, there's some. She's like, I'm at the pet store. Feel like a hamburger Wimpy. Thank you. Right. Not my thing what the third so they end up because of that she's ninety ninety days in jail, and she also refused to testify against or say anything at all to the cops about the Manson murders. So they basically kept her for injured for ninety days. Then when Charles Manson is moved to fulsome state prison, squeaky, right? One of the great one of the great jails. We've got some escapees. Squeaky and another Manson sister good gal gal, a Manson gal. They moved to a shitty apartment at seventeen twenty five piece street in downtown Sacramento. Do you guys live there? Everybody knows that piece streets like. Some serious shit. They moved to second mono to be closer to Charles Manson at fulsome prison. It's not a good plan. Yeah. No, no. But she doesn't stay there for long because nineteen seventy-two squeaky moves to Stockton. Right. 'cause she's like Sacramento. It's too cultured. It's too refined. I can't do it anymore. I can't it's like being in Paris France to it anymore with the fashion and the demands, sir. I have to go to Stockton. And just just take in that water that gorgeous water. Sorry. I'm this is taking long. I just remembered this is one of my whore base horror like Wia have so many shame issues. Oh, we're gonna work it out guys. We were at a speech meet in Stockton one time. It was like the AllState speech, meter, whatever the laureates, the speech laureates. Yes. Right. We all had dishes for speed. And we were staying at this hotel in Stockton. It was really knew it was humongous where everybody that was in the speech. Meet was staying all these schools from all over every Oliver northern California, my friend, Holly, we're leaving. It's the day we're leaving. So all of these high school kids that have just competed in the speech meter, filling up this entire huge hotel lobbies like shared say or something in the center of the lobby are like two flights of stairs. Like like, a weird ten coconut cream pies. From Sesame Street thing where it was like it was easily fifty stairs going down to the lobby. So we're at the top of the stairs, my friend. Holly hands me heard super bazaar and lame Samsonite like luggage from the sixties. And she goes can you take that down for me? I have to get something. I'm like, okay. And I have my bag in her bag and I start walking down the stairs like the Queen of Spain. Like, hey, everybody. It's me from the humor into. Reputation. And halfway down her stupid suitcase bus. So and I'm not kidding. Three hundred tampons rolled out. I'm not kidding. It was it was like she took a small tampon suitcase to the speech with her. No, one knew it was her kale. My fucking suitcase. Oh, I wanna cry for you Argentina's all of them. It was like this. But stereo. And. Do you know how hard it is to pick up Tampa stairs like squatting? And like, ma'am. Do you need help with your too? Let's it's high school. Not one person came to help me now one they were all just like. Thought you use tampons? Why don't you use all those Tampa on you use all of those? It was I hated her so much no fucker in that moment. I was like this is let's bring her out only get out of here, and everyone if you go on fierce tampon, we're going to the count of three. So she knows what it's like. So that makes me sad. Sorry. It's why I am the way. I am. Makes sense because whenever I ask if you have a tampon you screaming crying and run away have always been like what does she do that it soon weird? I'm sorry. Please. Don't take that person. I thought it was just me. No. It's stockton. Stockton. I've had my heartbroken all over this, goddamn, flood plain. Okay. Okay. Let's fuck and get into this shit. Okay. Squeaky in Stockton. She moves in with some Manson members. And she also there's a couple area brotherhood members in there to court. Let's throw those assholes in for great mix them in. So in September, nineteen seventy-two they all meet up with a couple named Laura and James Willett it a cavern gern Ville, which is actually closer to where I grew up. Right. Get some river people here tonight. Good nice. So. The names James. You know what I did? I fucking took out the area and brotherhood name. Because I was like fuck them. I'm not naming their names. But but then I started the next sentence with the guy's first name. So James was shot and killed and they made him dig his own grave. And then the second guy seriously. Yes in gird Ville, yeah. Okay. So so here's the reason I tell you all this horrible shit is. So these two Aaron brotherhood guys. We're gonna snitch on the Manson people about robberies that they'd been doing. So they'll find out took them up to Ville, boom, boom. So the cops tracked them all down to this house. They live in Stockton. And they burst. They busted they arrest everybody. But squeaky isn't there, of course, because she'd never gets caught for anything. She was basically Charlie put her in charge of keeping all the Manson family in touch with each other while they were all in jail. So she would go around and just visit all the Manson members in jail and tell them what was going on the house mother for the Vanson family. She was like a human phone tree. So she was visiting Manson member named William go shirt who was in jail for robbery. And so when she's gets out of the jail from visiting him. She goes to a pay phone calls the Stockton house. Cops answer who have just raided the house, and she's like, hey, can I get a red at the prison? They're like yet. We'll be right there. Buckton go pick her up take her to the station the arrest or with the others. But then she says, no, I was I was not in Guerneville. I was traveling all around California bringing the Manson's together. They hold it for two and a half months. They have nothing no evidence that can't charger. So the other four people from the Stockton house are convicted of those murders squeaky walks free. She's a golden girl. So she is like that's enough of Stockton. For me. I gotta go back to fucking p street or wherever the hell was. And she moved back in and then she and what's her name, the her roommate who was also Manson person they start wearing robes all the time super chill. Really this is going to be next door. This is what we were. And we just pointed everything this point shit. What's this over here? Murder. That would work for me. So. Love. It. Can't see the shoes. I was looking at that. And it's like a robe if if that ended at the knee, it would look like little red riding hood, it would be so cute. But it goes all the way to the ground, and that's Satan. That's Satan's work. Yeah. That's it seems robe. Okay. They decide they're going to change their names to the nicknames Manson used to call them. So squeaky changes, her nickname from her horrible nickname to read because the clever rate he called a red because of her hair and her love of the redwoods. Hippies and. No, no, Sarah. He called blue because of her eyes and the ocean. He's not very clever. I mean, look. Say what you want about Charles Marie Manson, but he has. Words, he's e. He's like a little nut. So poet. Okay. Now, just moving on for some fun. That's her robe in color. See how from like shoulders up. It's like that's kind of cute is. She is sexy fairytale girl. No, no. She's crazy. Let's see here. Okay. So in nineteen seventy-five Wiki read from reaches out to a Jimmy Page's. The VP of his record label and says I have foreseen something over Jimmy page, and I must speak with him that works, right? This is seventies. When you just call record labels and just be like, I need to speak to Jimmy page. Please. The vice president of the record labels a guy named Danny Goldberg. And he was like, no, I think she actually went there. I can't figure it out. But basically he said she said that she had foreseen vision where bad energy is going to get Jimmy page. And so she needed to talk to him and so- Danny Goldberg from the record label was like maybe you can talk to him tomorrow, but you should probably leave. And then she was like tomorrow it'll be too late. And so he says leave a note. Thanks so much for dropping by. And then the second she leaves? He burned the note. That's she was. Yes, cool. That's just a little I would just giving a little color kind of crazy shit. Squeaky was up to. So now, we get to the task at hand when she's twenty six years old. She learned president Gerald Ford. He's just asked congress remember him. He no. I remember in like second grade, they made us write letters to him. And I didn't know what to say. So I said I wish you were my uncle. Uncle face. He's he's very take a quarter out of your ear song killer. The man is killer Vike Lear uncle of killer. Yes of Funchal or we didn't work shopping. It. President Gerald Ford decided in nineteen around this seventy three seventy four seventy five. That he wants to start relaxing some of the provisions on that old bothersome sixty three Clean Air Act. Yeah. So you might remember that squeaky loves the, redwoods and nature general and she's livid and. She's very concerned about the environment. And so she's watching the news and her piece street apartment, and she sees that the president's going to be in Sacramento to speak at this Akron convention center for a bunch of wealthy, California. Business leaders. Yes, what a great place. All the good stuff happens walls and the door rounded at the tone. Total guests. I've never been there. So he's staying at the Senator hotel on L street, and it's like a fifteen minute walk from squeaky, Peachtree street apartment. Perfect. So she decides she's going to bring attention to the trees. This is what she later said by putting fear into the government. But killing it simple president Gerald Ford. What a fucking psycho. It's not a good plan. It's straight up crates crazed. Also trees are great. Yes, for sure. Absolutely. People are good too. Yeah. I bet you anything if trees could talk. They would be like wore not down with killing people. I think they would. I don't. Yes, I think they're like old hippies. Totally and they're like pay me who've been. Absolutely. To wrap this up. Okay. So okay. So the morning of September fifth squeaky throws on her old red robe, and she grabs a forty five caliber Colt, m one nine one one or nineteen eleven I don't know. Semi automatic revolver. She straps that motherfucker to her left leg underneath the red. Like a psychotic little red riding hood. And she heads on down to the capital grant. I'm sure the FBI security people are like that one. Just keep your eye honor. We don't know she could have muffins. We don't. She could be from a musical. That's so book playing over at the music circus. We don't know. That's right. Insider info, okay? Now, it does seem super insane. But actually, she wasn't the only person who thought of this a month prior an ex con name Thomas Elbert was arrested for calling the secret service and threatening to kill Gerald Ford. When he visited a criminal he called the secret service directly. Yeah. Hey, I'm going to kill this. Just drive yourself down to jail and say it as you're walking into. I was mad about stuff over here is this good. Okay. So it's ten to AM got an it's eighty four degrees guys in September down in September the fucking kind of Sacramento bullshit. I'm talking about. They know they know. So president Ford is walking from his hotel through capital park to the entrance of the capitol building to meet with then and now governor Jerry Brown. Oh shit. Jerry Brown is absolutely a Highlander. Totally. He shall never die. Okay. So as as the president passes through the park, he stops shaking hands with random walking up and be like seventies. Be like, hey, don't like what you're doing. And he's great to meet you a lot of that being like, oh my God. Chevy chase's. So funnier and start live as you great to meet you. It's funny when you fall down. And actually later president Ford said he saw squeaky from step out into the pathway like one hundred and fifty feet up the pathway in capital park. And he sees a woman in a red robe Cape step into the pathway, and he figures she's just there to say. Hi, like everybody else. She walks in her weird is wide shut robe. And she's like second row. So there's like what I rove people shaking hands with him. And she's in the next row and she pulls out she reaches down to her leg holster and pulls out her Colt. Forty five we'll call it. Get remember nineteen eleven. And actually, the president said he remembers seeing a hand come through the people in the first row, and quote, and that's the first active. Gesture I saw but in the hand there was a gun. And there was a gun. That's why no one liked you. As the president you McDonald's. Okay. So. What's squeaky doesn't know because you know, that much about guns and neither do I pretend like I do the amunition in a Colt. Forty five is stored in a detachable magazine, the pistol's grip. That didn't seem believable at all. But squeaky gun there was no round in the chamber. Is you have to put it in manually like to? I guess I got that. I see it or maybe. Who knows gun stuff? So a bunch of people in the front row that are like look it's the president. And then they hear the click of a fucking gun not go off right by them. Yeah. And because there's Pressel around because the president of the United States. She turned to a camera and goes it didn't go off. And they also taking your picture. Oh my God. Away. That's when they they arrested are there. It is. Looks like a lunatics, Murph. Doesn't she? I didn't realize that the robes were sleeveless. Yeah. I summer. I mean truly for September summer. She looks like Papa Smurfs. Been cat. Ooh. It. Did it go off? She waited till the all the cameras got really close. Should I kill him? Now. Try to kill him. Now. Wow. Newsweek is right there to get the story. Okay. So of course, everybody knows what's happening secret service agent. Larry Byun Dorf grabs the gun forces out of her hand brings her to the ground. Once they're down there. She says it didn't go off. Can you believe it go off? I wonder if I can go back because it's kind of the red one, really, let's just see this. 'cause this is them arresting their chilling snow bummed. She's just like. Now that I think about it. This was not a good plan. But I mean, there's just there's secret service everywhere. There's cops everywhere. So oh, yeah. That's when they made her take her robe off jail. So here's kind of the best thing when this happens. Of course, the secret service doing the job that they have to do grab president Ford and start pulling him away in the other direction from our and trying to pull him into the capitol building to like take cover, and he's starts yelling angrily in protests that put me down put me down. And then he walks by himself like a big boy into the state house, and it ten six AM. He kicks off his meeting with governor Jerry Brown. Four minutes. Four minutes went by for that entire things. Great moving on. He's like can't can't do it. Wow. He talked to Jerry Brown for half an hour. And then when they were done with business. He goes, oh, someone just tried to assassinate me after all of it. What? Yes. And he later told the press he was not scared. And he said, quote, I thought I'd better get on with my day schedule. I would've been like, oh, great. I gotta have a free day on. I'm like, oh, I guess I can't do anything today. Guess it straight back to the hotel. And right into the Scott, right? Let's do it. They got massages in the seventies rate. I'll take one send her up. That's right. So three days before the trial begins president Ford, actually testifies on videotape from the White House. It's the first time a US president. I guess they didn't say sitting. I wanted to say sitting that could be incorrect. But it's the first time US president testifies at a criminal trial. Wow. Of course, our girl refuses to cooperate with her own defense team. Curl their own fencing. She's constantly fighting. The man no matter who that person is. So she's of course, convicted for tempting to assassinate the president. And she gets a life sentence. The prosecuting attorney Dwayne Keyes recommends severe punishment because she was quote full of hate and violence. And so she does what any of us would do in that situation. She throws an apple at his head Knox's glasses off. You're not doing yourself any favors old red squeaky from give up. Girls got aim though. But I wrote this down remember the old trick. That's now you have now, you know, the correct way to pronounce the famous mountain chain if you're prosecuting attorney squeaky fromm will throw an Appalachia. Oh, that's how you an Appalachia. I didn't know that. Yeah. Great already. Forgot it. It'll come up again. She was handcuffed and taken from the courtroom. She says to the press I came to get life. Not just my life, but clean air, healthy water and respect for creatures and creation of humans except for a bunch of people yet came before. And also, we don't need a quote from you squeeze good. In nineteen seventy nine she's transferred out of a federal correctional facility in Dublin California for attacking a fellow inmate with the claw end of a hammer. How did she get that? Let's not pass out hammers. And they had. This one they tried it one year, we're going to do what working you guys with this really is we're going to trust you trust system. Yeah. Lynette? Downland at. So she gets transferred to federal prison camp camp Alderson in West Virginia home of what mountain range Appalachia. That's right, Georgia, art. Five years later nine eighty squeaky from tells the Sacramento bee that she purposely ejected the top around from her pistol's magazine onto the floor of her shitty, Peachtree department because she quote was not determined to kill the guy. Right. It turns out the police actually did find a round of ammo on her bathroom floor. So in December of nineteen eighty-seven squeaky from escapes from camp Alderson because she hears that Charlie Manson has to stick your cancer. And she's like I must go to him. What was the plan there? She's in jail and he's in fuck into. Yeah. She's gonna escape one jail break into another one swim out to sink Quinton. What are you doing? She's caught two days later, and then she sent to federal medical center in Fort Worth Texas. And the robe sisters Lynette and the other one who's I've said a different name every time. I've talked about her roommate, and I apologize. They they're the only two Manson family members end up remaining devoted Charles Manson, always everybody else renounced him and actually squeaky from corresponded with him from jail to jail. Well, all the whole time. They were jailed. I guess that's what you do in jail. She told Associated Press reporter the curtains going to come down on all of us. And if we don't turn everything over to Charlie immediately. It'll be too late. It's already too late. Honey yet. I just want to know what she mean. I want to know if she knows what she means. Or if there's just so much acid in her system. Osho said he's got more heart and spirit than anyone I've ever met. And I put my gum in this. He has everything he wants coming from me because he gave me everything. And then she called him a once in a lifetime soul. Thank god. Don't need more those fucking broken smelly. Pockmark Hillary's weird. You know, just dictating squeaky from was released on parole August fourteenth, two thousand nine at the age of sixty and she moved to MARCY New York where according to raider online. She's shaked. Oh, she's shacking up with a felon. I found this article radar online. I'm like your fucking gossiping about this sixty year old. She has to live with somebody. Get all the hot murder hippie gos- right here at mater online. So in twenty ten CBS published photos squeaky from shopping WalMart in that town, and she had her long grey hair tied in braid, and the pictures actually of her punching the camera, so no honk rock forever. And that is insane story of Lynette squeaky from assassinating oppressor. Great job. This is my new headshot. I love this picture so much great. So much good. She's crazy. She wasn't doing it on purpose. But it's the coolest. 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It's a car that I've been pushed into the haystack, then all got caught on fire. And then they realize there's a car cars on fire, and there's a person in the funding mar. And they they looked like they were like bound and propped up, and they couldn't get close enough to the car that sucking their hor they watch the car burns. So did so witnesses also see a car driving away rapidly from the scene in the direction Sacramento after the fires out they find like letters and ship around. And then there's these keys in this guy's pocket, and they dented the man as Alexander Kells. He's a forty two year old local butcher and cattlemen in one of the town's leading citizens and they're like oh shit. What's going on? He was the was the owner of the Pacific meat market and the te-ok meat market. He was a German board in Cologne in October of eighteen eighty four, blah, blah, blah. Basically, they immigrate to Loda at some point doesn't matter. Classic American store who he eventually finished his grammar school and goes right into the trade of being a butcher mmediately started trading when he was eight sensually. He gets the job. He's it doesn't matter. That's fine. Only about his life passion. He's in Lodi. He's butcher. Okay. Everyone knows him. They love him pillar of the community. He's seen as a night. He's a husband and father. This ideal husband and father. Got all that meat. Yeah. Yeah. These family tra- iron blood the thing. They don't tell you about being a butcher's family. And I know this because my grandfather was butcher. So my mom would say that we got all the weird fucking cuts of meat that no one wanted to know the truth is like you're eating fucking net. Turkey necks days. Like who wants roasted ear? So when I was a kid I tongue sandwiches and the heart and liver and shit. Like, we just get a taste also Jewish people. We love that weird shit up. Yeah. Choose Sacramento Jews. Yes. No, you're faking. There's not that many. You can't accuse people being fake Jews. Political. So. He feeds his family organ meat. Everyone's happy. So the everyone is devastated. The whole town is like fuck when when he he dies in this horrible way, we need to find the killer. This isn't sane over three thousand townspeople were at his funeral and. I'm sure they have a lovely spread. Oh, the sausages. It was the largest funeral the county ever seen and the everyone was grieving and sympathetic with his family, and it was like a town martyr. There were like so angry that this happened to him. And it was believed that he had been killed by robbers because he was known to carry large amounts of money on the days. Go like collectors money. I don't know. What do they call? It. You won't be this. And you want me this money collecting, thank you. Can I just say my early theory? Yes. A bunch of the cows got together. You're not doing this anymore. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. So in the meantime, though, so the police are like we're going to get this guy who did it. And in the meantime, though, the his life insurance. He's insured for eighty thousand dollars in today's money. Six billion. No. One point one million Miller Bill mill okay. So his wife's the beneficiary and the insurance is like that's a lot of money. We're gonna do around investigation as well. Especially since he had a clause in his policy that increase the amount to one hundred thousand which is almost one point five million today if he died violently which was like you wanna bet on that. I wouldn't it's not a good claw. I feel like they probably took that out since then, right? Yeah. I would hope saying it's like it's like a really bad like card game that you win. If it's like everything's awful. So they at the autopsy one of the ways that they were like, we can the something fishy here literally is because they knew for a fact that Alexander Kells had eaten sardines for lunch gross. And there was no sardines and the guy in the stomach of the burnt corpse. Oh, they're like this is weird. I don't know. That seems fishy. I did not mean to do that. She loves it. She loves upon it works. They also discover that the dental work of this guy doesn't match up with the charred remains that we're in the car on there like mate right here. So soon this this sheriff from Stockton releases a description of the butcher and a couple of weeks after his supposed death in Reno. Some dudes like Rena. Some guy from Lodi recognizes his longtime friend Alexander co fucking Reno and I'm sure Alex, it's not me. I've known you since you were six. No, no, no. No. No. No. No, no. So they'll move his mouth. No good. So they're like oh shit the student faked death, obviously temper second police arrest agai matching the description of him in Eureka. And. Base. It's it's his thirty ninth birthday the day. They arrested him and the they find him in a box car. The railroad yards with a rifle in his mouth trying to pull the trigger with toes. Oh, jams and they stop him. And they're like, we know who you are. And he's like, I know and he's like, oh, I want someone made me do it. And they're like, no. And he's like, okay. Just don't tell my wife faked my end up because I was in a lot of debt, and I wanted her to get the money, but it's gonna leave. Really, she didn't even know about it. Yeah. Base because I had her completely pin for this murder her. Yeah. I wanted to go down hard for it. I wanted her to experience violent dead. He figured she would get over the shock of his fake, death and move on comfortably with this huge insurance payout. He was going go to Mexico afterwards. The man he killed. He's a fucking complete stranger to him. He hired him from an employment agency and Lodi under the pretense of fixing broken windmill when mill yeah. And when he got there out of the car fucking Kells just straight up shoots him in the back with a thirty two revolver, no one else can fix windmills. He kills the one fucking guy. West coast. So the man doesn't fuck even fall down when he gets shot. So he gets so Kells grabs a heavy iron bar and hits them over the head a couple times and killed. I'm sorry. He gets shot and then just stands there. He groans a little but doesn't fall down. I know this dude. It's like, yeah. He's like the original Craigslist killer. But. Right. I mean, he did it first. Let's right and without Craigslist. So try that you know. You know? Bubba. He puts them in the car put a blanket over him drives around for several hours. Eventually by some gasoline goes to the hayfield and lights everything on fire and puts his keys and shit and his pocket like fakes death. But he maintained that he'd never ever tried to get wasn't going to get the insurance when from south you wanted his wife to get it. It was for her which is like, okay, but don't kill people do. I mean, and so everyone gets fucking post when they hear about the fact that he did this. They he's a cold blooded killer. The guy they were like morning and three thousand people were like Addis funeral eating cold cuts crying. And now they're like, oh, this is so delicious. Now, they're like to him again. Yeah. Four hundred people went vegetarian that year. Lodi is the origination of all it is amounts. Right. You wouldn't expect it, but it's true. Fun fact. Okay. So fucking. Meanwhile, MRs cows whose name I couldn't find this poor fuck and woman is about to give birth to baby finds out that her husband isn't dead. He's a murderer this chick loses her shit and the way only nineteen twenty s women can sure there was a lot of fainting carrying on this. She just like stagger in the streets. Eyeliner? Yeah. Just like losing Herships saying my baby my baby. Even though the baby's right in front of her, right? Yes. So she gives birth. She's in so much grief that her eight year old daughter is sobbing at her bedside Bing, like, mommy, I need you. And she's like, I'm I can't she like straight. Can't this fucking woman. So she felt falls unconscious all the time all this shit truly just around the house. Yeah. Then so two days after his rest. He's indicted grand jury. He the man who murdered wasn't immediately identified. There's no records at the time, of course, in my migratory workers pass through Lodi all the time. So eventually they discovered. His name was Ed measure vay and miss Kells Kells survives the birth of a child and. She bites through his trial to save his life. But he gets sent to die eventually by hanging. The Dave before his hanging. His wife spends an hour and a half and hysteric conversation with him weeping and begging her husband not to leave her. He's like, it's not mature Z. Can't do anything about the I should go back and not killed that dude. That'd be great. And he tries to leave a couple of times. And I'm sure he's like get me outta here. It's hard enough. Yeah. So she screams when just to be like carried out of the fucking Folsom prison, and she is put on bed rest at home and nurse tends to hurt all time since her screams disturb the entire neighborhood. Although I like the idea of bedrest and a nurse all the time. Just not the constant screaming. Scream. I wouldn't need to scream. Yeah. Her children are placed in the care of friends because she can't stop screaming. I know it's real sad. So. The guards who were watching over before he was hanged said that he was unintentional. He lit a cigarette. As soon as his wife left and picked up his bible than towards told the guards. I'm ready. He wouldn't eat his last meal, and it's just like let's get this over with. Well, he's a butcher. He's very, you know, he knows how it goes. That's him. Oh, hold on. What's a it? Looks like deniro doesn't it. That's his wife. Oh, jesus. The screamer. Yeah. That baby is like you should hear her scream. It's insane. I'm so tired. I'm exhausted. I can't put her down and try to give one bottle. She won't take pacify or. God. So forty men gathered to watch him hang he smiled at everyone as they through the noose around his neck. Oh and at ten sixteen on January twenty fourth. Nope. January fourth nineteen twenty four Alexander was hanged and died, and that is the Lodi haystack murder. Whoa. What no the twists and turns like turns. So he curel just trying to get out of debt. Yeah. Or get his wife out of his debt. So he killed some stranger. What a dick. Maybe she was she found his checkbook, and then she started screaming, then he's like I have to end this somehow. Oh, call the windmill guy probably already screen before that. Hey. We would just stay here. You're going to do your dance. So, hey. Guys, guys, you know. I do I do want to tell you Sacramento. Thank you. Save for everybody. Vince, april. Tour manager husband. Okay. I thought you were screaming because I couldn't think of what to say. You know, I've I've talked very openly. And honestly about my real feelings to you. Upset you at times. Yeah. There's there's definitely lots of people who don't like it and have been unhappy about it. And so because of that we thought we would bring you a little surprise. It's our way of saying thank you for letting us have fun at your expense. Thank you for your postcard writing a campaign. Thank you for being on the local news. Thank you for driving in from Reno and from fucking. Turlock and wherever else every other city that we've named tonight. Thank you for being supportive. We love you too. And here's our way of proving it, ladies and gentlemen, Paula. You don't wanna leave it? I'm nervous. I know. So you wanted to. We flew him in. We had hide him. All day must pick mustache. We were scared to get recognized at the airport. I'm nervous. He's really nerve wracking. So we. Yeah. Welcome. Now. You're there Bano. True rockstar. Tim's people who love through crime so much. Here by I actually lived in back. Never before anyone cheered for vaccines. While the. Now, we thought it would be kind of fun. If we if we asked you what your hometown. So what got me involved in through crying. Yep. We just we just wanna hear you talk about. Whatever you feel like talking about. Whenever. So I'm probably going to date myself a little bit. But what actually got me involved in true crime is old TV show? Call quincy. Also, I I went to college thinking, I was going to become a forensic pathologist. So I thought I was going to go to med school and use medicine and science to solve crimes. Harassment. Don't have justify him. We like your mind, call we like your mind. But my grades in college weren't very good. You know? And then eventually I did graduate at least and I found out. Found out about this this field called criminalistics which back in nineteen ninety was a brand new field. And I thought that sounds cool because I do crime scene investigation. I could do the scientific work, and I could try to solve crimes that way. You don't have to be in like more goal day. No thank God. I didn't go that direction because I been in the morgue. That is not very fun. In the more single its nose, right smells. Do you? Remember, your crime seemed do you? Remember your? You know, I do remember my first crime scene. Sort of the backstory is is when I first started I was a drug analyst. And we were getting what we call bunk dope fake dope. That people were selling on the streets to make money. And this is how you get yourself killed. And what I was seeing is is combination of this wax with a detergent while the detergent caused a false presumptive test for cocaine. So when somebody on the street was testing it saying, oh, it looks good. And then they would pay money and then walk away with the stake. Then I go out to my first homicide scene. And it's in this. Very unincorporated area in contra Costa county called north Richmond. Really? Drug dealers. In the mid nineties. This was an extraordinarily violent region in contra costs to county, and I'm going out to this homicide scene and the victim had been transported. So he his body was gone. But where he had been killed was right outside this mobile home in the backyard in north Richmond and half brains, actually, laying on the path. But then I went inside the mobile home in up on the stove top was a pot full of wax and detergents. He was the one that was kicking was cooking the bunk. And the street has way to set itself straight, and they went and they killed him. And so the next day I was at the morgue, and I'm looking at the guy that I had seen through his product with the boat bunk dope. And there he is laying on the gurney. And that's the day stopped doing dope. I swore off. God finely. What I feel like we really wanna talk about the Golden State killer. I know that you've talked about it a lot. So we don't wanna like do all the usual. But like, do you have do you have a specific like memory or you've story? Maybe you haven't been able to tell on any of these channels that you won't tell anyone will not phones down cameras down secret time or just something. Like, just weird interesting. Do you think about like still hit you that that you Cottam all and? Collar around a phone tree. And are like this is banana. I did it. There is still that aspect going on. Whereas like we finally saw. Because it was so I spent twenty four years on that case. And then the team. The team we had a task force in these great investigators across the state, and then we had a team that helped genealogy aspect and going into that we had optimism, but we had no idea it was actually going to work, and it really wasn't until I got that initial phone call where it was like, Paul. You can't tell anybody about. Dna was was matching that it was like after twenty four years. It was a huge. Oh my God. You know, finally figuring out that we got to that point. You don't terms of the untold stories of the Golden State killer? There are so many each of us investigators invested so much time of our lives in that case that that we all have different stories. I know for me. It was just the frustration of constantly finding somebody that I thought was the guy and in some instances, I would spend like the first guy that I was like this is the guy I spent two years trying to find two years of my life going. I've got him only to finally find him. And then he limited with the and it's like, I just wasted two years of my life. And then I get onto a next guy. And I spent a year investigating this guy trying to get his DNA. And then he's not the guy did you ever give up for a little while? It's one of those things. You you get to where God, I just spent all this time. It's not the guy. I don't know what the hell on do, you know, push away. And that's that's where you uncork that bottle of wine. And. I would just drown myself in my sorrows thinking, I'm just I don't know what I'm doing on this. I'm fooling myself. I need just move onto other cases that I got. Don't talk while Paul holes. Twenty four years of that the. I think a good question is. Who's gonna play you in the movie? No since it's just been a crazy experience. Just the timing. I retired technically a retired at the end of March. But because. Ended up being on this this Megan Kelly show on the Golden State killer with Jane Carson and Debbie Domingo. We're not talking about her tonight. She doesn't let's just pretend it's a different show. Say it was Oprah. Let's say it was. So I ended up taking some vacation. So I could get out to New York. So I could support the two victims in the Golden State killer case, but I had been at this guy house. This Joseph DeAngelis house the day before. So now on TV on nationwide audience, you know, talking about this on soft case going. Made. I know who this guy is. So but since that time with three weeks after retirement, and then we alternately proved that he was the Golden State killer with DNA direct DNA samples that were collected from him. It's just been a surreal experience in my life. It's just been just like this just. Crazy. Gary strain. Anything that you want to plug or things that are coming up that you want to tell these guys I? I as I I'm just to retire counting. But but I do have some things that are coming up. You know, I I I signed a contract with oxygen. I got several projects going on vox. And we get fifteen percent of that. We can talk about. As well. As audible has decided to do a podcast. Which is going to primarily focus on sort of my story that has never been told you know, sort of. My frustrations. My adventure. I was trying to to move through this case. And so that is going to come out November fifteenth. Can we suggest that Paul giamati plays? You. Just putting it out there. He can do it all just thought I'm open. And then just like what's kind of bands? Do you like? Favorite sandwich? Tell them about you as a person. Music that I listen come on. Let's you're like trying to get pumped to solve the really old crime or go, jogging, whatever let's that family put on. So if I'm working out if I'm running if I'm lifting. Got to be the hard rock. Real today. Disturbed. It's God smack. Slip slip Slipknot. No, okay. All right. However, listen to this Corey Taylor who who actually has lazing talent. And for me music has to be melodic. I'm not into that bump up. It's got to be Milad. But what about masks? Clown. They have great masks. But I have a concern about people who hide behind. You. Good one. Well, thanks for coming out. And we were like can you help us please make Sacramento like, please. Or even now. But also. You know, you're talking about like your life changing so much. And like when we started this podcast like golden say killer was the first one of the first stories, we covered it's been in our minds, obviously in your guys minds being up here for so long. It's like this crazy cloud, and this kind of like creepy thing. That's just been hiding the background. So it's the idea that that not only that it got salts. But then that the person that sold it we get to Email. What is? This. It really is. I think it's cool because during the last year the case was getting a lot of media attention in one of the the shows was aired that I was on in the producer of that show called me saying, hey, there's this podcast. It's called my paper murders and they're talking about. You might wanna listen. No don't do that. Yeah. But aren't these two amazing women? Everybody. Thank you. I've seen him. Do. I look good. Holy shit. Sacramento. And it's been so hard to keep that a secret. But thank you for giving us the benefit of the doubt that we didn't even have a present for you. And you're still here. Us. Yeah. Thank you for supporting supporting the shit out of. Yes. We we are thrilled that you guys demanded that we come in spite of everything, and we are thrilled to be here with you. And we are so grateful for this situation that basically you guys have put us in. We are having truly the time of our lives. Doing this thing where we get to talk about this thing. We're all we've all been fascinated by for years in secret thinking that nobody else will understand and nobody else will like us if we talk about it. And now, suddenly we all get to fucking fly our flag as much as we want to. And it's the best feeling. And it's a great feeling to see you guys. I'll find each other and become friends and start these meet ups, and we it's just it's fucking crazy crazy that we gotta have the people who do this kind of thing. Like talk to us. Instead of going. You guys are weird. It's like amazing. We're so lucky I can't believe this is our life. Yes. So thank you for giving that to us, we're genuinely so grateful. To embarrass you. I'm just so glad that got so much better since I moved out of Sacramento. Thank you, Sacramento. We've love you dearly. Honestly, stay sexy and. Hello. It's georgia. And karen. And we are excited to tell you that we are launching our new podcast network. Exactly, right. Yes. We're very excited to tell you guys about it. We've chosen a bunch of shows specifically with murdering in mind, and we can't wait for you guys to hear them. There's going to be more true crime. There's going to be comedy. There's going to be cat stuff and more and a lot of very very special hosts Zaeri special hosts, and and then at the end of this month, we are going to announce details of these the first slate of shows for exactly right to stay tuned for that. 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Complex simplicity. Artist Georges Le Chevallier creates visual molecular gastronomy
"Hey, everybody. Welcome to artists soapbox. Artists soapbox is a podcast, featuring triangle area artists talking about their work their plans their manifestos. I am your host tamra Kazan. Artist? George lay Chevallier had his first major solo exhibition over twenty five years ago, and since then his paintings have been exhibited extensively nationally and internationally indistinguished galleries, and museums as you'll hear he has lived studied and created all over the world and brings a global perspective and sensibility to his work. We begin our conversation hearing about Georgia's fascinating family history. His time in New York City and how living and creating in North Carolina works for him. Now, then we zero in on Georgia's work with Shinui or simplicity in his visual, art, his creative process and his life. He combines this concept of shabbily and the culinary artistry of Raleigh chefs to create paintings of visual molecular gastronomy, check out his website, G L C A R T dot com to see his paintings based on such dish. As as Jamaican curry goat, chilled Espresso with ginger beer and Rosemary grapefruit bidders by shrimp, and squid and birthday cake. You'll hear us talk about food a lot in this conversation. So you might want to have a snack nearby. You'll also hear a few spicy words sprinkled throughout our conversation. So just FYI in case you have little ones around. This was a really refreshing episode with a really interesting person in joy, George. Thank you so much for being here. When reading your bio, it becomes immediately apparent that. You have lived a geographically expansive life. Meaning you've lived and studied and created all of the world, you speak, multiple languages. Would you tell us a little bit about your background? I was born in Paris, France. My mom is from Puerto Rico for Rican, and my daddy's French, and I I think it's interesting because my background I believe he's really awesome. But he's really I don't say strange, but it's really unique. And here's why because I don't know how to people from such opposite lives came together to create me. Here's why because my my is from Puerto Rico. She is from the mountains. She's from a place called lateral pair Chow, which is nemo always. And literally more always in the middle of the mountains in the middle Perico. If you take a map before the Rico is a rectangle, and literally if you put your finger in the middle, that's more always and growing up. She lived very poor. She had she lived in a tin tin roof house. Her dad was my grandfather was Hugh I do here. And he worked in a coffee plantation and growing up cheating. How electric city or water in her house? So part of her daily routines was her and her sister had to go get the water. She again, she grew up like that. I know that couple Sabe leans of hers died in childhood. So again was really really rough to go to the to the seating. Whenever my grandfather had to go to town. He would take the kids because he was ca- field trip for them and mainly because they get to eat something. Call limbo limbo is kind of like a frozen fruit chews, Houston, literally. They they make juice. They free sit in little cops. And they sell it for you know, growing up. It was a quarter growing up having five cents out. Remember, so, but I love the story because her my Granddad would take the kids, but to get to the town they had to cross a river, and literally grand that or there. Her dad had to put the kids on his shoulders when the time to cross the river allow, and and my mom would always tell me like when the river was too high. They literally had to make a u-turn and come back, and and that would state mom is like the one like really big memory that she has he's like when they couldn't cross the river. After World War Two when the US had oppression bootstrap when they help Perico they build many, low income housing complex held a lot of the people from the rural areas moved to the city in in this housing complex, call Cassidy ios and my mom's family moved to Caserio. I go the custody, Oscar, TULIO, Olaf Gaza. Now he's called yet. Kennedy and she grew up in a housing complex in Caserio. In fact, when I was little we would spend the weekends there on the other side, my dad's family hits, obviously French from Normandy. But also, it's the opposite world from my mom. My grandfather owned a bookstore in all SaaS Lorraine near the German border. Did they move to Paris where my my dad was born. But my grandmother was Jewish. So my Granddad was a World War One veteran. In my grandma again was Jewish and during World War Two during the night, invasion. They had to escape to the south of France back. Then Danny was the free France. So again, it's really really interesting stories from both sides. Yeah. And how did these people come together? I have to know. It gets even more interesting because they met in Venezuela. Of course. Right. Both my parents, they got different jobs that took them to Caracas Venezuela in the nineteen fifties Caracas was competing against Vanna asked the place to be big casino or big buildings a lot of things going on. And my parents met in Venezuela. They got married in Venezuela. And both my sister, and my brother were born in Venezuela. After that, we moved to Paris where I was born. And then my mom didn't like Paris at all it's called, and then we moved to Puerto Rico where I grew up. Yeah. And then what? And then you eventually moved to California. Yes. Yes. Then how was thirteen years old? We moved to California. And my dad worked for Air, France. And we got he got transferred to Los Angeles to LAX. I went to El Segundo high school. I then went to El Camino college in. Orange california. And when I was twenty or sold I got fed up with everything I grab my backpack and laughed and went to Europe to backpack through Europe for while. Ultimately, I moved to Spain. And I studied at the other. Yes, artistic fine arts academy school, a mother read was there for a couple of years before coming back to the US and getting bachelors degree in custody Long Beach. So what do you think all of this traveling has how is the informed your life in your art? Well, my a reflection, I guess my life. So how it informs my life adventures, you can plan too much things happen. It creates a for me a bigger humanity. I believe in in humanity, and for my experiences do people that have the most hate it's due to ignorance due to for me like travel because it's not. That important to have degrees. It's more important to to have knowledge. And I think travel brings you first hand knowledge is extremely important. It makes you Weiss and our other have Weiss people around me than book smart and also forgot to mention because again one more thing I did get my master's in New York City. I live in New York City. And and I thought he was a great experience. Just because while in New York City, I the get a chance to meet with a lot of real big artist. I studied on their robber mores who I studied in art history. When I was in California, I also studied under poor economic school. Once hunches I again, I got to see and meet a lot of great artists were I went to school was on the street were Jeff Koons Hassi studio. So would pass him all the time. I met Julian Schnabel at a museum I would go to Leo Castelli gallery back when he was alive, and I would see people like Francesco Clemente or Mikhail Marcello and literally see Leo Castelli. And all these things are great because he kind of make my all my studies real people that when I was looking at books there were there and. And how we got the museums and see paintings like the ladies of Avignon or Sterry night, and this gave me hope in a realistic way. That while the art world is real. And it's here, I can see I can absorb it. So I think my New York experience was extremely important to see a little bit more about what it meant to have access to artists who were well known, and we're also creating work a couple of things that they're people, you know, they're just they're farts smell as bad as mine. It's. You you kind of put all these people in a pedestal, and then you get to to meet them and to see them, and you realize like, okay, cool. There are people some of them are geniuses. So you try to learn one makes them this. But at the same time, it's a learning experience that changes that different perspective. You know? I think the the biggest thing that a lot of young artists here in in the triangle is that they don't have access to that. You know, we have I think we have a great army, salmon, we we're starting to get really really great art. But he's not the same. It's not the same to go to me him and see because some of the same to go and see Van Gogh he's not the same to go. And see, you know, the great directors. Great great artist. And I believe that people should go to New York, if you're young young artist, I think you need to to New York City for awhile absorbed and see how things are real for acting for for food for for fine arts. I mean is such. Creative place. I don't know if you should stay New York because it's it's kind of like a casino. I say. You go there, and you should go. Learn play spend your money, but after a while you need to cut your losses and get out and then go somewhere else, and and get everything you you learn out of your system, New York is greatest energetic buddied absorbs you like I remember when I said that I was going to move to North Carolina. A lot of people were like now don't go with you know, if you go like gonna become you don't to be an artist. No, more like, you're crazy what and the more. They told me that the more was like, okay, fuck you. I'm going to do whatever I became an artist to do what I want not to do. What's expected? That's one of the reasons that that also K live in because I absorbed. I lived there for almost ten years lived for nine years, and there were very intensely lived nine years. So how did you come to North Carolina then well originally? Me, and my wife, we're gonna move to Vegas casinos. We're going to move to Las Vegas, and we were in New York City. I don't know again. I was there for nine years where there for awhile. And we wanted to to come to a place to kind of regroup for few months. We didn't go winning one to do the whole cross country. Expire thing. We wanted to go somewhere. Regroup maybe save some money. Kelly New York City is very expensive. So we thought she had family here. So we came here and stayed with them. And we thought that we could come up with some money quickly. So we can you know, going the program is that. Yeah. Life was cheap here, but also the wages and also we have to buy a car to go to work. So yadda, yadda, yadda. We extended stay yet. Yet yet. I we bought a house yet yet yet is mean almost twenty years. You're planted. So I know in our pre interview phone conversation. You said that at a certain point it would have been unthinkable to be living in North Carolina. But you've been here for all while now as you mentioned, why does it work for you? Well, yeah. On thinkable, obviously. Because you know, I was from in Los Angeles. I lived in New York City five. Yeah. Kind of a snob. That's an art snub. I didn't know what. But also wasn't think -able because back when I was in college. There was a Senator from from North Carolina Jesse Helms and just didn't have the highest regard to for artists. And after the whole Mapplethorpe thing, I you know, I look I literally look to North Carolina and the map like, well, that's one place. I never will go to and yet. Here now. So that we're seeing that we're in life. But that's one of the reasons I thought I would never move to North Carolina. Just because I had this weird idea that it wasn't on friendly place. He you know, it was you know, that's an artist. It was not the best place to come. But I guess I was wrong. It is nice. And also with the internet Wade websites with emails being outside of New York doesn't not feel that bad. Just because I keep I keep in touch with a lot of people. I read magazines, I read reviews in the internet see in a sense, I'm physically removed born intellectually still aware of what's going on that a few years ago without the internet that would not have been able to do right. See feels you still feel connected. No. But you have more space now. Oh, yes. Yes. I have my own studio in my house, my mortgage, it's less than. I've ever paid in any kind of rent. I it's kind of weird. But yeah. Yeah. Different makes a difference in the quality of life think. So I want to talk about your work a little bit it specifically. I'd like to talk about the is it she buoy series. She buoy buoy. Okay. So what is she? She boy is kind of hard term to explain. But it's a cool simplicity. And every time I meet is a Japanese term and every time I meet somebody from Japan. I'm always like. Okay house, which you can you explain to we always look at me, a little strange like what what is the what you like. And he said the construction you take out everything that's not needed. But it's also clean the construction. Okay. Think maybe she we might be a modernist house kind of a minimalist house. How I came to this. My paintings a few years ago, we're very complicated about twenty years ago. I started painting a reflection of the digital aid. My paintings had a lot of images I was trying to put us many formation as they can. Because I realized when when I got my first computer that I was web surfing. I was changing channels. He might TV had a million channels, and that was even before the smartphones to always welcome in this crazy activity of information. I is I liked it with time it kind of backfire with time. All these information made me more stress. Yes. Now, the hundred channels that I have in my TV meant that. I literally never finished a show like I would start watching a show the commercials come came in. I was start changing. They have a now with Netflix. I don't watch anything because I go to my menu. And I literally spend like forty minutes like searching for something to watch. And by the time. I find something I'm asleep. Right. Yeah. Is this again, it's like more the sun main batter and putting my painting. I was putting a lot of stuff. And I was really I'm always being really strong design, see magical design everything to match everything. I mean, I I would sketch. I would do a lot of work and what I found was that going to my studio. West naught was nothing what's not fresh. It was really planned. And this plan was what was the reflection of of society of this all these technology. I mean, I work with text me in the middle of the night when I was at work. My wife would text me. So he's always like, you always are in multiple places. And I started to field the pointed stressful, and I even. I even stopped painting for a while. Because I didn't have the joy anymore to go to the studio. One of my greatest joys is food. Yeah. I worked in many fine dining restaurants. If I was not an art teacher and doing this art thing, I would definitely working fine. Dining I love fine dining at work in New York City under some great chefs here in Raleigh. I have also worked with some very strong shafts. So I stop painting and what I did. I I started reading about chefs about food food preparation. I'm an art history freak and I realized that for the last so many years, I'm always reading about art history. I'm always thirteen artists. I'm always and at one point I kind of learn everything I needed to know. I was just repeating myself. I was looking at the same artist. So I literally scrubbed that and I started looking at chefs watching food documentaries. That's the one thing Netflix that I would watch he can stand the chef table series. He's a Mason. There's a documentary. I forgot dreams of sushi. I forget the guy's name is cure dreams of sushi. Anyways, he's the top sushi chef in the world, and is is all men in in Japan. So watching all these documentaries and pretty much that it's where the she buoy idea comes from the fact that term she bully at Jiro, that's his name Jiro the term she bully. I took it from an Anthony bourdain episode because at this time, I'm looking for simplicity. I'm like it's been a lot of time just thinking meditating and and trying to simplify my life. I was watching an Anthony bourdain episode where he goes through Japan. And he literally has the inner which geo and geo has a small restaurant in a subway station. And he's the top restaurant in the world for sushi than it only seats. I think like eight or nine people, and that's it. And Anthony bourdain was talking about she Louis because that's the when you eat he's food. There's so much intensity in just one bite is just so simple is just one piece of fish. And that's it. And and he explains what she believes is compared to this food and immediately. I'm like, okay. Yeah. This is exactly what I was looking for its she boy. And since then I've just been researching studying right now like literally in a sense food. Save me in my art. So she is. Intentional simplicity or intense simplicity. I would stay intentional even though I like that in ten simplicity. I don't know if you can have that. But your description sounded like maybe my next. Here's a paintings will be known as intense simplicity. That's really good. So talk to me about how you. You translate translated all of this into the work that you do working with Raleigh. Chefs. One thing I learning Spain. And that's one of the reasons I went to Spain to study is that traditionally Spanish painters. They put a lot of texture inter paintings lots and the first time I painted in school. I literally spend about half an hour. Just putting painting my palate. And just with the brush is kind of like touching the painting because very physical person and the physicality of the paint itself was something that turn me on is like, oh, I'd really like these things. So I always been attracted to heavy paint. When I went to Spain. There were some artists like MC our settle or semi SEC Leah. Oh, Antonietta PS who their whole being it's to put texture in the paintings. It comes from money talion art movement Arctic pervert, so the whole thing it's to put stuff so you in Spain also ready mixing paints with sand and doing all these experiments. I makes paints we'd rice. We'd being sound as if I got some paintings dad are about twenty five years old where I did put chicken bones, and they still dare so so it's good. I've always put food in my painting. And also in ascendancy was because I was trying to be painter and cook, I was always working restaurants loss painting. I was doing my my paints. So this series of paintings with Raleigh shafts, a wanted to paint about food with this implicity one of the things that have always attracted me was how the shafts they played the food. I mean, you can insert the best food in the world. But if it looks shitty nobody's gonna. Right. So it's an art form and many times I used to work as a runner runner the person in the kitchen who runs the dishes to the to the table. So I would literally sit there for hours since he how the cooks would play this displays especially fine, dining any such technique. And and he said technique that that literally does not get enough attention because the good shafts not only have to come up with a recipe, but then they have to be really visual and do this. I think that's that's why I like so much food because it's not just about the taste the chef that understand food. They deal with smell. They did. Would visuals. They deal with taste. But more important, the great ones they deal with texture because usually the food that you don't like it's not the taste that you don't like the texture. One of my kids hates tomatoes. But it's not he likes to mayo. So hus-, right. So it's not it's not the taste. It's the texture of the tomato. That's of like disgusting for him. I totally agree. I also hate raw tomatoes. Yes. Completely the texture. It's like. Lord. I love like that's one thing. Like, we tried to grow in the gardens tomatoes, just because you know, especially if they're like little cherry tomatoes by the time, I picked the tomatoes in the garden. Bring them inside what half of them are gone. The same thing. When when I lived in Europe, and you go to the bakery to get Brad. You know, you buy the warmth Brad and Mike Honda bread gets home. It's half eaten. You almost have to go back behind that that idea. So when you approach the first chef how did that conversation? Go to people think you are off your rocker. Or did it make sense? Well, it was a little a little strange, and by the way, every single chef that I talked to were really great. And it's her price me. And here's why. Because chefs from my experience, they have really strong angry personalities. You know, like, Gary typically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's a reason for this most people that work in the kitchen, they literally have some kind of trauma to have some kind of PTSD, and we kinda like look past that, but to work in a kitchen, it's so incredible intense when you're out there and. You're just cooking. And you have like a list of things to do on. There's people shouting at you. It's literally like a battle is really really intense. I think partly because partly you know, like, it's intense. I on people snap. I seem like chefs how chef in New York City that we were getting slammed and he literally took all the orders. Rip them apart. Like, he grabbed twenty five orders. And he's like fuck days ripped the whole thing apart through them up in the air on just walked out and somebody from behind the line. I'm literally to come you know, grab like as much as he could and keep the ship floating. You know, so it's really intense. But anyways now I wanted to do a series of paintings based on food and for the last few years I've been making paintings based on famous chefs international him chefs. And and I said, well, why not do paintings based on rally? Chefs you know, and better Yan, I have a chance to talk to them instead of picking up a random chef that's famous and picking a random dish. What I wanted to do. I wanted to talk to some of the best chefs that I could find ask them. What dish it's important for them. Either in a personal matter or. You know, professional matter which dishes make them, and I literally went around different restaurants between two or four because that's the shift between lunch and dinner. You don't want to go there. You don't want to. Because they they literally would scream at you. And I had some pictures in my phone of pass work. And I literally went to them. I was like look this is I'm an artist, you know, I'm doing this series of work. Here's a few examples. And can I ask you extremely quickly? What's a dish? That's really important for you. And all of them were extremely nice all of them were really helpful all of them where excited about this project. And I think it brings like a lot of memories it brings a lot of memories. Again, what I discovered in life is that when you're homesick for place, you're homesick for the food not as much the place. I know when I travel to different places that I lived is great to see family. But he's almost as great to eat the food that have not eaten. I just went to Las Vegas a few months ago to see my parents, and they have in and out burgers. And I ate a lot of them went house, leaving California. So the first chance I. Could I went on in and out burger and run me too happy place. And that's the thing that food when you're homesick, you're homesick for food. That's what McDonald's they target children. Because if they if you grow up eating McDonald's when you get older that's going to be your happy place to go to and it was a lot of people talk about their childhood chaff Hilton from auto restaurant in rally the day shot. He chose was curry goat. And he told me about when he was going up Jamaica like the first thing she ever made was a curry goat. And I believe your grandmother who tasted. He's like. Wow. You know, what you you have talent is is really really really good. And by the way, I painted the painting for him for the creek owed. I literally took curry, and and may made kind of a paint a paint out of it and use it for this painting. And all of your paintings, right? You try to use food ingredients for chefs Sheedy Kumar, and she is a chef a garland hurt dish was DiPoto, which is kind of fritters. And again, brought her to hell to her childhood because this food was the street food, and again, it's really special for her because as a kid her parents were not that crazy for them to be eating street food. So it had this special place in her life because whenever she would eat it was really special. And now that's the one day shut she remembers and for this one I researched the dish, and he'd had tamarind in it. So I I literally went to the store what tamarind Ibope Timor, and I made this kind of gooey pace out of it. And then I painted with with the Temer, and that's really cool. Yes. What reactions have you gotten from chefs when they see you're finished. They're flatter. I know that chef surge following Wien. He's the chef or Sandjak and the painting I dated for him. Also select is a free says out and Wade locked on. Which is it's kind of like, bacon and me and him. We we literally stood in front of the painting. We talked for about half an hour. So no, he was he was really great. I love Chev of because he's very poetic. And he he released one of the shaft that really understood the whole painting process, and literally we we talked for for for a long time. So so far the reception from people the reception from the shafts having really good. What is your painting process? You you have a conversation with the chef day suggested dish. And then what happens I go online. I research that this takes a few days. I tried to think of the story line. I know like four months Santa aletha, his the proprietor of Rui Falana. He's dish was rice congee? And it's something at first rice congee, really, really simple. But he had subtleties of flavors, and it's something that for him and his sister. He's a really important dish. And again like he was great. We talked for awhile about it. So I tried to research the dish. I tried to find basic things about the dish like in his painting. I obviously put some rice. And in fact, I use green tea, which works great. I love to paint we green tea. Yeah. In the painting for chef along Wien. I poured all oil, and that was no good. Like it. Didn't it didn't work at good. I also for chef Jeff Sicer his chef at Royal restaurant. His dish was a burger. I mean, he was great. Also, he took me to the kitchen, and he showed me how he prepares. You this burger? Because when he told me, you know, my dishes burger, I kind of I don't know. I don't know I roll my eyes because he's he's a great shaft. So I bet he's he's burger kicks ass. But he took me to the kitchen, and he uses this. This method is called Savita. They put the meat in this airtight packaging, and then they put in water and the molecules get cook. Even though the the meat feels rare. It's cooked because the molecules are are cooked interesting. It's really strange because again, this is something fairly Neil that has happened since I left working in restaurants work for his painting. I literally went to the store I bought a burger that had a lot of blood and juice, and then I four the juice on the painting. Yeah. That didn't work either. Because I thought he was going to be more bloody. But no, he just use was a lot of water. I guess in the blonde. So he didn't stain us. Good us. I wanted. So what did you now have to know what about this burger painting? What did you do to convey that? It's what I do in these paintings on. I call it molecular molecular gastronomy, and if you don't know when molecular gastronomy is he was started. I believe in Spain by the chef that we and molecular gastronomy, you take a dish. And you constructed molecular -ly, you can have a bubble on a little spoon. And literally when you eat it, it tastes like clam chowder like he's really deconstructed is really change into this really simple small aspects of molecules. So I do this for painting on my paintings extremely abstract and minimalist. So maybe one of my paintings. Have like a black square a red, circle and to scribbles. So he's not I'm not painting about food. I'm painting inspired by food. I know that for chef on lamonica is sent through the dish that I did for her was I know galleys, and it's a green chili cooked with an almond white sauce. So literally for the chilly, I literally have a single green line. So the paintings don't look anything like the dish and isn't purpose because I don't want people to come in expecting to see the food. I want people to come in and see this really minimalist simple painting that has an honor tone of food. My first duty is to make paintings. They're inspired by she buoy their inspired by food. They're inspired by the black square by my leverage, the blacks where is my favorite paintings. And we'll times it's literally painting a black square. But I'm obsessed with it. I find his painting sexy. It again, it just it makes me dream this painting. It's weird. I'm obsessed with this thing. But my paintings have to be I about simplicity, and she really and second it's inspiration by debris paint. Did a square representing the burger I put a couple of blue strokes representing the water. I mixed some sand with kind of khaki painting because this hamburger it's cooked on an English Muffin, which is made. Luckily, by the way, so again, so I tried to represent things, but they don't look like the food. That's why it's called. That's why I call it a visual molecular gastronomy because you don't know what it is. Until I tell you. Do you have a running list of chefs that you would like to connect with? Yes. I mean, yes, I know, obviously. I mean, a have some some shaft that are personal heroes a mind. David Chang is one of them. I listen to his podcast, and when I was in Las Vegas. I got a chance to eat a mama Fuko. So yeah, I would love to my fact, he needs to Graham the other day, I sent him a question, and he's like which dish which is the one that, you know, important to you. He never answer. That's you know, they're fairly busy. Apart from him. And maybe a couple other people. No, I think it's interesting to get to meet people. Obviously, there's some chefs here in Raleigh. That are really big that. I did try to get a hold off for these experiment. They never replied, but chefs are extremely extremely busy. That's one profession that literally you have to be crazy to go into your talented, and you like to cook. But to work as a chef on a restaurant to own two three restaurants. It's something that's extremely extremely intense. You have to be a really special person to do that. So that's why a lot of the shafts. I approach Kerr fully just because I know they're extremely BC. I don't think per nothing personally if they would and nobody told me to go fuck myself. But if they say so not take to personally just because I know in which kind of intensity they are. So we've talked about how you moved from feeling sort of over. Unloaded to this deconstruction and simplicity than you are now incorporating the food piece of this does this have an impact on your day to day life, either in the way that you interact with food or just the way you see the world. Yeah. It does. It does mainly because he takes me away from pick -nology. I don't go to Facebook that much anymore. I go to Instagram Alon, and it's just because he's very visual. And it's my happy place. But the people that I follow in Instagram are shafts an artist but on follow many on my friends and Instagram just because it becomes like drama. This series helps me again, just do try to simplify my life. It's really hard for me to paint. And here's why because he's what simplicity I like punk rock a like energy. I like a lot of things. So when I paint, it's a big challenge for me because I only do a couple of things and I have to stop because I see the painting. He's perfect. How it is. But as a painter, you always want to come in and keep working, Dan, the first few paintings that ideas in in this new challenge, the sheep we challenge for me were complete failures because I did a happy stage. Something that was really really proud. But somehow, I grabbed the Barash and Putin one too many more, and I just killed it. Because the whole point it's to learn when to stop that's the hard part with this series is still really hard for me. When I go to the studio, I meditate I have to get psychologically prepare a have to kind of lower my heart rate a little bit and kind of tried to get into the zen. You know, like I put incense in my studio. I listen to, you know, really sm- Soldal music. I'm at because I need to be psychologically prepare to stop in any really really really really really hard. This a little bit more because it's very intriguing, and I think it applies to many areas of our lives that aren't making peace, but also relationships and in many areas. Sounds like you are getting better at this knowing when to stop or at least getting more in tune with that is this a feeling that you get that. You should like this painting is done. Is it a feeling that you you needed to be more aware of in your body or your mind? How do you now know win? That's a good question. I don't know in a sense that it works differently Bir for paintings. I just do a Mark. And I go back and think I look what I did before I was painting based on designs. So things have to be a symmetrical things have to do. And now with this with this sheep, Louis. I want to make it exciting something that's not symmetrical is very organic. He'd happens on the on the spot. And that's what I'm trying to do in a sense. I don't know if you ever watch Seinfeld. There was an episode where George Costanza he started doing everything the opposite of what George Costanza would do. And that's literally what I started doing. It's like, okay, George would do this. So screw that. We're going to do the opposite new George. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. And it's funny because I was laughing when when I was doing this my students, I I'm like Georgia stance. I'm doing everything but the opposite. It's about simplicity. It's it's really hard. I need to force myself to sit down more in front of the painting. And just take a look at it. When I just so the painting. I don't just so the whole thing and what Jessica is when you stretch your canvases, canvas issues cloth, and you have to buy something called Jessil, which is white paint, which has marble Dustin in. So you can protect the canvas. No, usually, I would just so the whole thing on the side. So the canvas looks like a professional canvas. Now, I don't just so the whole thing I leave the edges on. Oh. Because when you see the painting UC raw canvas on the site. So that forces you to accept that. He's a painting again all George would have painted the whole thing new, George leaves stuff alone. Because I want to make sure that that you see is. Canvas. Again, he's just small changes that I want to to make to to force a viewer. Like when you have a painting with lots of things, it's the viewer who this is what they want to see is if you're who looks around. He's like, oh, I want to see this. I like the red here when you have a canvas or painting that has only four things it's the painter whose forcing you. I'm in command. It's like if you go to golden corral, and you have a dish. Oh, twenty different things. You don't taste anything? I mean, it tastes good. But he's just like this combination of crazy flavors. If you go to sheer Jiro in Japan, and he gives you shimmy is like a little piece of fish his in command of a hundred percent of what he's just going to taste. And that's what I want. I want to be in total command. When of you were come saying, the viewers gonna realize the side of the canvasser not painted the viewers who's going to look at a couple of things that you're gonna look at the rice deckchair? And that's it and either you can stay joy it or you can move on. But I'm in command. And that's that's that's the that's the ultimate challenge. So you're offering your inviting viewers to experience that same sort of simplicity. Yeah. And hopefully, and again people either get it or don't, and that's okay. As a matter of fact, I like it when people don't get it. I like when people don't like my paintings. If I do something on everybody likes my paintings. I feel feed it. Do you? Do you think that that indicates that you don't have a strong enough point of view when everybody likes her work or what why do you feel defeated? I believe that there's a difference between an artist and a craft person. Most people think everything is art a five paint minorities. And that's BS. There's a difference. There's a craft a craft takes many years to do you can be a great painter. That's a craft. You can be a great musician and this craft you took years and years and years and years to to to do this. The difference between a painter and an artist DR these have to ask questions when you look at art history. The great artists are the ones who pushed the envelope hoop. His people off who sought different things who who ask questions if you're asking questions, and you're trying to challenge people are not going to like it. If I do something and everybody seems to be happy about it. That's not my purpose. You know? I mean, I it's it's a catch twenty two because he's also socks when somebody tells me it's like, especially somebody that you respect comes over and tells you all know like this is no good. It's heartbreaking. But at the same time. That's the whole purpose like people that like your stuff they're bringing their own taste to it. If they don't like it. It's because you're not not up to their taste which can be good again. That's an artist. Like the whole point is to tell everybody to fuck off. And you're doing something Neil. Then when you do something Neil. That means not everybody's gonna like it. Then that's great again. The the worst thing that can happen. He's like, well the worst that can happen is somebody calling my paintings pretty somebody calls. My paintings pretty like we're going to have a problem. And now, you know, they never say pretty that's like for me. The and if you call it a picture, if you go if you come up to me and say, that's a pretty picture how pawn? So we're. But but no it the whole point is to challenge. My my personality that people have looked up to artists shafts whoever politicians guerrilla fighters, whoever they were not like by everybody. They had a dream. They had a belief system, and they did it. And if it upset you well too bad. That's not that's not up to to them. That's not up to me. If you don't like my paintings. If you think my paintings are don't have enough for you. That's good. That's good. What's next for you next? Painting. Like always a have a few shows coming up next year. I'm part of a group show for twenty twenty which is fairly big really excited about this new this project. I don't want to say it. But, but it's probably the biggest exhibit that I have so far it's a group project in a very special place here in Raleigh again at want to. But I think it's gonna be officially announcing mart twenty nineteen so say tone, so painting traveling we have some troubles coming up that I'm exciting about. And also, I'm starting a podcast. Nothing not to compare them. Because I think this this podcast is greater in fact, you're one of my inspirations. Thanks now. I listen to your podcast a lot. But this podcast is called art punks. And literally what I want to interview to talk with people. It's graffiti RD's street artists sculptors, but the whole point of this podcast is to interview people that want to piss people off. You know, the slogan for for art punks. It's no pretty paintings motherfucker. Just because I don't like pretty painting. So I really like if you pretty paintings. I don't mind you my podcast. And again, he's a podcast through kind of challenge. Challenges out of school is what I realize died as a college professor and me being a young rebellious artists who who liked punk rock, and again who was gonna pissed off when I was younger. There's really no outlet. There's really no podcast for for young angry people who are artists, and I know this because there's I only listen to like three podcast when I'm driving. I listen to your podcast. I listen to Joe Rogan. And I listen to David changs and much. I said because I find like most of the art podcasts are fairly boring and in a sense again. I'm so involved with the art and one of the things I like about your podcast, you interview, a lot of actors and had a know much about acting. So that's why. I like it. But I find on like every podcast. I have. That are based on interviewing artist they talk about pretty paintings. And I don't want that like, I don't listen to our podcast because of that. So I want to talk to to to young artists who are trying to change things who are upset who are artists because not because they like the craft, but the, but because they want to ask questions now, Tom again choice, call art punks, and it's gonna be loud. It's going to be launched and twenty nineteen great really twenty nineteen. I can't wait to listen. That's really exciting. Good. So I will include all sorts of links and good stuff in the show notes before we wrap up. Is there anything else that you wanted to touch base about? No, I think I again, I think it was great on have to. Thank you for for inviting me to these podcasts. Really, really clad. I mean, I am a listener. And again, it's it's great to finally sit down and talk to you. And. For the young people, you'll know already especially who are out there paint inches. Don't give it up. Dawn. Don't settle ask questions. If all people like me, don't like your paintings. That's good because you're trying to break from me. You're trying to break from the the artist. So if you're challenging shortest or people don't like the paintings. That's better. Just keep going ask questions. Learn things travel and eat a lot of food. Wonderful george. Thank you so much for this conversation. Plus your doll. I look forward to seeing all of your good work in two thousand nineteen. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, friends. I wanna tell you about shadow box of studio where this episode was recorded. 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My Long Lost Brother - Noah Fleder
"Took cheese for my birthday to. Geez for my birthday. Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Joe Molly in radio today. I have one of my closest friends and not only my friend, but also a teacher, and a friend and a coach and a co actor and all around a person I like to be around. No aflutter everyone. Yea, maybe the background crowd. For myself to hire myself up now. Thank you, man. Thank you for having me is that actually the name Joe mullion radio. It's called your mom radio. No, it's pretty awesome. Because I think a lot of people have seen you move. If they watch me, they know who you are. Because you know, we we made a couple of logs together you've been in my videos. They see me training. They see me doing karate all that stuff. If they're wondering who you are. Now, they get to know you. All right. Yeah. I don't know if that's a good thing. They're gonna find out either way. 'cause I mean, we'll for for one thing is like how long have you been doing martial arts? I'll man I've been training since I was four years old, sir. Twenty one twenty one years now. Yeah. Twenty one year, that's like. More than anyone has gone to school that was my schooling my whole life. That's crazy. Yeah. And like, what did you? I do. I started off doing taekwondo when I was four years old. So my dad put me in taekwondo. I actually hated it. I hated martial arts as a kid the first time that we went my dad threw me in the car, and he's like we're gonna go toys arrest out complaining, and I was like, okay, we're going to toys R us. I remember being in the car driving by seeing toys R us across the other side of the street passing me by and I was like what show where we going. And then we went to this karate school in the south bay. And that was the first martial arts school that I went to a taekwondo school. He had to trick you to do karate. He had a trick me. That's how it all started. As a trick. I it was a lie from the beginning. I always wanted to do martial arts. Dude. Why parents didn't like keep me in long enough? Yeah. I hated it. When I first started. So he had to take you to class like by tricking you. Yeah. But now you love it. Now. It's my passion. And there were there were on an off days where I really didn't like class or I was like, okay. Today's not that bad or you like land that kick. And then you feel really good. And you're like, oh, I feel like the shit. You know, there are moments like that. But for the most part, I really didn't like it till I was about maybe thirteen or fourteen to ham. It took me that long. I would fight my parents constantly, but because kids hate discipline. They don't wanna why man that's one thing that me, and my brother both kind of wished our parents did was forced us a little harder. I so like they did that because all of my friends who's a Jeeva black belt, or like, a high level of piano or anything. They know that if you just work hard at anything, you'll get better. But it took me so fucking long to realize that like I didn't realize that until I was like at least twenty-six that's weird that you don't have like the traditional. Tricked Asian parents will they were pretty strict, but it was like for piano. Oh, what you did piano. 'cause I know your dad was an artist. Yeah. My mom and dad they were both like musicians. Okay. So you know, like how the stereotypical Asian parent is like day make everything military in not fun. Right. It'll be like. Yeah. So here's something beautiful like, piano or violin? But instead of like loving music and shit. They they turned it into like a science, and it's like you just have to memorize shit. And if you don't play the shit, right? They beat your ass. It's like, that's basically how they were teaching me. So I love music, I love playing instruments they encouraged that. But then I hated taking lessons from my dad because my dad was so fucking mean. Like if I played the wrong keys, he smacked my hands. Oh shit. Yeah. And then it turned into a torture session crowded class right there. You were already doing cry. That's probably why when I went into judo or like, you know, I went to karate, and I learned from these old Japanese guys like I feel like. I feel like my dad beats me harder than this shit. Whatever it's nothing, but I really wanted to do martial arts. So I did Campo and it was like it was like a summer program at my school. Yeah. Yeah. So I did that. And it was like a Mexican guy that was teaching us. It was pretty fucking cool, and I got yellow bell shit. Yeah. And then after that he he was asking us to go to his studio because he wasn't going to come to the school anymore. My Dow's like no, we can't drive you. So that had to quit. And then we did judo for a while. But I don't know what happened. I feel like my parents started having like lessons like they had customers at the time that they were supposed to take me. So no one could drive me or something. And that was about it, dude. And then like in college, I started doing may with Bart. And that's all that. Yeah. But damn dude. I I see it though. Like a lot of people who are passionate and they can follow through and finish shit. Their parents book in force them. To do it. I always credit my success to my parents and good teachers and also blamed them for also play. So constantly just want to blame them like five. So like you when you started you were like what three or four years old f for 'cause I see your little brother right now started when he was four to. But like my dad when we were born there photos of him like stretching me in the bathtub like already getting my hills and laze getting me in the right position before I could even walk technically, he's already like putting my leg. Roundhouse kick position show like that. But it doesn't seem like your dad is doing that to your little brother like hard core. Or does he is taking it a little easier. But he's still like my dad's pretty intense. Yeah. He won't let tiger quit. So yeah. My little brother's named tiger. He's eight years old. Now, he started when he was four, and he he won't let him he's feisty, man. Do his spirit. He's got a little fire. Yeah. He's he's intelligent. And he's a really he's a good kid. I wasn't a good kid. If I didn't like good let you know. Yeah. He he's more respectful. Yeah. He is. So after taekwondo, what did you start studying? So I kind of ended up doing other different martial arts. I actually there were like fight closed in my old high school because I wanted to fight more. And these kids would put I think it was like when never backed down came out. So like everyone. So everyone like at school. You guys would fight at school. So it would be after school every Friday night different. People would have these underground fights in their basement or their it's like a fight club, dude. Like legit that happen? You didn't know about this? Well, I mean, I think we're told you we're drastically different in age. But the thing is the funny thing is so a lot of you guys. Don't know. But me, and no are practically neighbors like we grew up like in. But the thing is we lived right at the border were like his area was like the beginning of the normal suburbs. In my area was the beginning of the ghetto. So everyone in my school district was a part of the Los Angeles school district. No, est. School district is a torn school district, which is mainly whites and Asians. It was the del taco that separated. Literally the death alcoves built. Separate ghetto. The del taco is the marker of you know. And so like my school. We had like it was a common thing for race riots, Mexicans and blacks would would straight up always be fighting and in cops would have to come in and do pepper spray. It was wild rice scary over there. Yes. So I mean, there were there were a lot of fights that happen. I got into fights. But I feel like the way that you guys. Did it wasn't gang related now. And it was more organized in like sophisticated because you guys are doing dude fighting wrestlers and shit, right, dude. Yeah. So we would have like Friday like every other Friday night, there'd be a party at someone's house. And then x amount of people would put in ten bucks on twenty bucks on whoever they thought it was. That's dope, dude. So I would walk away with money every night. Like I'd walk away with a couple of hundred every night. What really started this was because I was plateauing out my my taekwondo school. And I there's nobody else to train with. There's no one good enough to push me in and I was really bored there, and I also had my martial-arts team at the time. Yeah. Team Ganji, and that was fun for me too. But that was more training. And I can't beat up on the guys that I'm you know, I'm working with and not the. It's not the war. The enemy. Yeah. Exactly. So I had to put myself in a situation where I could test myself more. So I would do that and make money, but what really changed? It was. I remember there was a fight and we were going, and I mean all taekwondo, it's all kicks, right? So I'm just kicking like crazy. And that's why nobody could really handle me because my kids are pretty good. And this was a boxer. And I remember he closed the gap and he just landed a clean punch to my face. The the craziest part was that. It didn't knock me out or anything. But when there's such a there's such a violation of space when someone punches you in the face dose, barring is two guys kind of kicking at each other. There's a lot of statistics with with. Yeah. It's dangerous. It's way more dangerous because someone's during their can lay got you. Yeah. You know, but there's a lot of safety. Yeah. A punch feel so personal and it stunned me and that fee. Feeling that stunning feeling? I never wanted to feel like that again. So after that. So when I was about sixteen seventeen I started training boxing, really heavily. Yeah. So that that was the first transition from taekwondo outside to another Marsh lar-. So where did you take boxing? So I started boxing at well. It's kind of a crazy story, but at El Camino college, you know, City College. Yeah. So if you guys went to El Camino, and you box, do you guys know mitts Yamashita knits is the man. He's I think he's like a seven or eight degree blocked by Kito. Oh, and he's like influenced the Tokyo like police department to I think somebody does boxing and Kito he does way more than that. He actually does karate too. And he grew up training with Chuck Norris, Janis grandpa annoy, all grew up together. Yeah. They were all just doing martial arts fighting together. Miss was like one of the OJ legends. And he teaches at the City College her fun because he likes it. And he's such a he's an amazing teacher. I learned so much about. Martial arts just threw him. So is assistant Jeffrey who I learned from. He actually took me on as a stronger mentor outside of MIT. So the train with mitts than I would go to Jeff's private garage. We called it knocks Jim. Yeah. And that really really changed the way that I fought, and he he revolutionized the way that I thought about martial arts and fighting and I trained in boxing heavily and Kuno with him. And at the same time, I was training with Simon re who's really Mike closest instructor who everybody knows as my martial arts instructor through Tai Kwon, no and stunts and acting the whole world. That's how I got brought into the industry is Simon re. Yeah. And I also trained with Michael Weiss who taught at the academy. He was like my father at the time to you. I was so close to him. And he taught me collie see law, and we tie boxing and really heavily on g Kuno in some wing Chung, Dan. So that was like that all really sparked heavily when I was about seventeen eighteen years old. And it it lasted like. Solid like for like three or four years of like every single day intense training, I trained about maybe eight hours every day. So when did you make the transition from like? Going through like a structured mentor ship from people and then developing your own style. That's an interesting question because I feel like maybe when I was twenty one twenty two after like, a good solid. Couple years of developing who I am as a person and in my own unique movement. I think just naturally kind of happened on its own. But a big part of that is filming myself constantly so for social media for work. Yeah. You do so many different types of movements, and you see your movement, and you're like, okay that can be faster that can be cleaner. This can be here that can be there. He start to analyze what you want to look like on camera to and that's had a huge impact on the way that I trained the way that I wanna look and move. Yeah. Because I think you do taekwondo within when I see taekwondo doesn't look like what you do like your kicks are faster. They look stronger a lot more powerful. They're not soft and flower, either aggressive, they're straight and for people that I guess watch people move in martial arts, and you know. Oh, what taekwondo looks like where you know, a karate looks like there's not too much individuality. No there it right? It's actually it's an Asian thing. Yeah. A lot of Asian cultures are all about community. Right. They don't emphasize individuality. That's an American concept. Oh, I see. Yeah. That's the way that I took from it. So it's like Busey. Yeah. So it's like be yourself. And then do what you feel whatever, which is awesome. Because I'm taking Shoto concrete e right now. And they're like, you know, the school says do it exactly as the Texas, which is fine. You know, like, I'm not going. I'm not going in there saying like, nah, man and amaze better. Like that's not what I'm doing karate for. I mean, I do already take may on Thursdays already Tuesdays with you screen fighting taekwondo. But the reason why I wanted to do that is because the whole traditional like historical aspect of. And I think that's part of the art that a lot of people now are. Because everyone this generation has geared towards fish fishy. It's all about sport. Yeah. But the problem with like, it's a fighting art, right? But the problem with that is at the highest point of martial art. It's about self control. It's about controlling your anger, controlling your fear, controlling your breathing. Staying calm thinking clear all that shit when things get crazy job. So right, and then body control and making it do what it would you want it to do in thinking and beating your opponent through thoughts. So it's like that's what I wanna learn and the place that I'm at dude, you'll see these guys they're set. There's a seventy seven year old that moves fast. What he's not fast like a young, man. He's fast because his timing is always perfect and their intuition, man. Like, they they've done it for so long that they know when you're coming. They know which arm is coming. They don't they're already at your neck before you can even get there. Right. I underestimated. The shit out of him. When I saw you went to the school with like, this is ridiculous. But you're like this is legit. Yeah. They they didn't look bad. It was just a couple of the white belts Ella confident. Yeah. But the teachers look good. Yeah. Yeah. And there were there were good man souls like oh shit. And when I saw the move I was like, well, they're gonna move like that. Because there there's seventy. Yeah. There's sixty plus years old, but people are dying at that age. Right. And doing karate. I could totally see myself doing something like this for a long long time. Right. And a lot of people don't know this. But really like doing any type of our form, whether it's like film, or you know, drawing or whatever it is it all it all goes down back to the same thing. Like everyone's trying to sell improve everyone's trying to communicate get better or something express. And it's just different ways of doing it. Some people express physically some people do it like through words and karate or like martial arts to me is another form of self expression and self control because all this other stuff like what I do online. It's a lot different it sitting down. And it's like a battle of words or not even a battle. But like, it's it's art of words and thinking, right, right? But like martial artist something totally different. It's it's way different. Like, controlled aggression. 'cause all a lot of us haven't you can't run from it. But how do you control it and it's going to amplify every aspect of your life to if you allow it to? Yeah. Yeah. It'll really change everything. It's pretty crazy. So when did you become like full time with your passion? Yeah. So now, that's a another good question. So I've never actually had a normal job. You never worked like fuck in PF changs or anything like that. PF? Plus, I never worked at target nothing. Walmart nothing like that our at target. Yeah. You did. I worked so many weird jobs. Now, you've done some weird shit. I never got fired. Never got fire. Proud of that. I've never worked a normal job, man. So when I was I think like fourteen or fifteen I was teaching at my old Crotty school. So you've only worked in martial arts ever. Wow. Yeah. So I taught there and I got paid under the table for a while. Yeah. That I started working just teaching the martial arts school, you know, doing some private lessons here there. And then Simon re who got me in the industry. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was the one that wanted me to start doing stunts, and eventually start acting if I wanted to, but his first thing was if you're going to do that I want you to go and start doing background work. I do background work. See how you enjoy see if it's the world you wanna live in. So I started doing background work, and it pays pretty good to not do anything all day. What do you get like four hundred dollars a day for standing around or something for union rates? It can be like three to five hundred dollars your professional standard. You believe it. Yeah. Just walk around. Pretend you're in a club. You get to see some really take places, but I did that for like the first two years while doing free stunt jobs and just honing my craft. So those two years was doing background work getting getting to know the right people working with Travis at jam. He. Yes, me to you guys, you know, working on all these different projects building my name building, you know, my experience, and my, you know, having a real than I am actually I think it was about like twenty then I started really working a lot more and a good friend of mine told me something that really makes sense. He said that if you think of the industry like school if yes school you go to for four years, then you'll start working, right? It's the same with the industry, if you treat it I four years glorious Daniels start working that was absolutely true. I started working about like two or three years, and then it became really consistent. And then I was just doing stunts. And then because of you guys are starting my own YouTube channel as well. Oh, yeah. So yeah, we have cool. Yeah. So we made our own YouTube channel four storm entertainment side income as well for that. So then we were making our own projects on the side while doing stunts. And then I think my first acting job was to I don't know what year it was. I was twenty one I think my first acting gig. And they took me from LA all the way up to San Jose for fourteen days straight, and we filmed all the way up going to different locations. It was really it was a really really fun experience. Yeah. And that was a great job. Great gig for me to have. And I learned so much, but that led to other jobs as well to just no-balls, man. Right. If you do good work, people will see it, exactly. And that's what I tell everyone is just stick with it, man. Just go for it. But a lot of people quit before they start because they get afraid, you know, they just think over think about it. And it's like, well, you kinda got it. Get your feet wet before you even commit. Yeah. And and you before you can even tell they tell yourself. That you're not gonna make it. You just gotta do it. Do it was tough, man. Like there were so many days, I have shit. I didn't have any money. Yeah. I didn't. I had nothing dude. But it's cool that you went one hundred percent to the world that you wanted to do. It's from martial arts through when you fight. You don't think about what if I get hit? Yeah. You're like I'm going to war. I'm going to get you gotta win. He's going to survive. He's going to punch me punch him ten times harder. And I know I'm going to win. That's how it is in life too. I know I'm gonna fuck up. I know I'm gonna fall I think that's the thing is school kind of teaches everyone don't make mistakes. Don't get a bad grade. Don't fail. Don't you only have one chance whatever it is. It's like one test one mid term. And if you fail that you fail the class, and I think that really fucks with people's productivity because you get scared. You don't wanna be wrong? You want to ask the wrong questions in class because people make fun of you totally. You know, I was not that kid. Yeah. And I think the whole school system just it doesn't really encourage people to just like go out there and do something different explore. And I wish we spent more time on topics because one I mean, like two three months on a topics to me is not enough. Like, yeah. But I don't know because you're teaching hundreds of thousands of millions of kids. That's true. You know? So on a massive scale, you have to find some way that will average work across the board. Yeah, that's true. But we are really like one in a million type people, we think very differently. And I think we think different because the school system just didn't work out that well for us. It didn't work out for me. I don't learn that way, dude. I graduated with a one point age. What did you just not try or something, dude? I didn't care. I wouldn't show up to school fighting. Yeah. I already knew like my teachers would get mad at me mad. They would be in class. I would call them my teachers, I'd do some crazy shit. There was one teacher. This is probably really bad story. But I have does. She was beautiful Korean Korean ladies. She just graduated UCLA. She come to school in these tight dresses lie. Would she do such the oh, no, man? But I was talking to my buddy. But I was talking about the philosophy of something happening something intelligent. Yeah. And she calls me out in front of everybody in clouds. She's like Noah, how come you? Don't try harder in my class. You have an F in English by such a good writer. Yeah. I look at her. I'm like miss you. How can I focus when you're just like that in class? You look so good and everyone started. Losing their shit. But that's how I am like I'm I mean, I'm just gonna do my thing. Call me, I'll call you right back. That was a really funny story that and I feel like there's two ways of fuck up goes in highschool, you either go to jail or you become successful. I could have gone to jail to you on pretty bad. I was. Yeah. But I I didn't have example to live by you know, what I mean like I didn't have anything to live for. I I was like the opposite of you. Actually. I had no goals. I just wanted to my goal was actually to paint as many freeways as possible because I was into graffiti at the time and like get as high as I could. So was like like the biggest drug Lord in LA. Yeah. That door that was a little bit later. I I didn't have dreams like that yet. I think I think early on maybe freshman sophomore it was all about like doing as much drugs as possible. How many drugs can I make some one night and how many parties can I go to without sleeping in like it was like those were my challenges. And then it was pretty stupid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, where like I feel like people do that when they're trying to escape because we're we're scaping from like a broken home or like whatever's going on. We don't want to recognize it. We don't want to deal with it. We don't have good role models run away, and you go around other fucking broken kids too. And then you guys do stupid shit together. Right. So like, we both kind of did things in different ways. Where like I mean, fighting back your fighting all that shit is not healthy behavior. Right. But I mean, you did it. Anyway, I'll know it's not a law, man. Yeah. But I mean, it's not it's not recommend. You could've gone killed like shit could happen. That's true. It's like, you're probably it's probably a healthier alternative than doing drugs. But at the same time, it's both not. It's not ok okay. Versus like have you probably came from a regular good home with parents that are involved in all this shit. And is just you. We would have turned out differently super. We would have been getting good grades in school. We wouldn't we wouldn't even know this life now. But there's two ways we can turn out. And I think we kinda rose out of it and figured out a pretty cool way to kind of find ourselves inside society. And I think a lot of people that are watching our shit too. Like, they'll be watching your Instagram or or my videos, or whatever they might be kinda stuck in that area. They're not too. Sure. Like, oh, I wish I could kick. Like, Nah, I wish I could have fucking company. Like Joe or whatever it is. Right. I think that people can do it if they wanted to. But it's. They always tell people that. They're like how do you do what you do? Or what gives you the motivation? I just tell them if you want something go, take it. It's yours for the taken very impulsive people. Like, we're the kind of guys that will pull over on the side of a freeway and go let's climb that rock, and we'll just start doing it. Because we want to right. People ask me like why do you do it on my whole fuck? I didn't even I didn't even ask myself. While you thought process like why don't you do it better question? Like, if someone goes, why do you want to what what motivates you to keep making videos on YouTube and all that stuff? And I was like 'cause it's fun. Like, I feel like some people. They they're to calculated to the point where it's like not everybody in the world. Is that calculated in motivated? There's no moat people just do it. But I did start thinking about it. Like why why did I why do I do it? Right. Because I get so many emails in questions from people saying like why like how do I get motivated Joe because I want to be this, right? And I'm like, I got it. There's a difference between why we do it. And we don't need motivation or people that are continuously doing it. And they're obsessed right versus other people who need motivation. So like we love the journey. So whether we're the best or not the best whatever it is. As we enjoy doing the activity. So like, we wanna get better. We know he suck now. But we know it will get better we keep kicking a thousand times ten thousand times, it's not the trophy. It's not the black belt. It's not the title that that were after it's just a life. Like, we just keep doing it. Same with the videos like, I don't get fucked. If I got millions of subscribers or not like, I never did the million subscribers celebration thing that other YouTubers do I just don't care what I care about is making videos with France. That's what makes me happy. And it's like, I don't get sad. If I only get like a thousand views or million views. It's like Dow it was never about that. But I think what when your goals not focused, and you're just worried about the trophy or you're just worried about like, oh, I wanna be famous on YouTube. You'll never get anywhere because it's a fake goal. It's a it's a week as goal. So like have you ever thought about it like? Have you ever Holly? But that's part of the martial arts to is that a lot of March starts is influenced by Buddhism, and they teach that not aerial possessions. You don't need anything material everything is within you. That's all you need. It's the feeling that you chase after that's what it is. But once people can get it though, you wouldn't need any of you don't need motivation to live. You don't need motivation to pursue what you wanna do. Yeah. Because it's not the this is the thing. A lot of people. Go win. I become a pilot. I could be happy like when I become this. Then I could be happy. It's like not dude win. You're going forward is is the thing. Because like, I'm a forever. White belt. I've done martial arts for so long with you without even like, I still think I'm a white, dude. All always be a wiped out to man 'cause I just have fun learning and experiencing thus beauty of it. Right. And I don't and I don't go say ooh one day when I'm a black belt Noah went one day. Like how long does it take one day? I mean, like I'm curious because I never did structured learning until now. Yeah. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't. None of that shit matters. It doesn't. Yeah. But just doing it in living is the best thing in the world, man. And I think the more passions that you find you'll find you it's crazy 'cause like you're successful with martial arts. Right. And now, you're becoming successful in in film and YouTube and things like that you can apply that method in anything that you do. And and you and you have the confidence that you can kill it. Because you know, that anything can be learned in anything can be done. It's the work ethic. That's installed a new to confidence. It's so important. I never thought that I was going to find another passion. I never I always thought it was only ever martial arts. Yeah. And within the past three years like, especially with kick master, I've reignited like an entirely new. New passion for filmmaking that I feel like it's it's equivalent to film or to martial arts to me. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Oh, yeah. Like, dude. There's not one day. I don't think about making movies. I think about it constantly I'm obsessive about it. Just like my martial arts. Like all think about that. Roundhouse kick a million times in a day. I'm always thinking about how to make it better. How to make a sharper how to make a faster? Now. How do I tell better story? How do I get my acting more on point? How do we get the team better? How do we keep leveling up the exact same way with my martial arts that I am with my filmmaking. It's insane, dude. And when people hear it, you know, I think if it comes off as like you're obsessed with the work because it's like, oh, you wanna you wanna do better. You want to do better? It's not good enough. But that's not what it is. It's emotionally satisfying to like kind of vision that shit, and then you see yourself kicking. And now it's getting better. And then you're trying to perfect it and you're making jokes, right? Yep. And I think a lot of people don't get that like legal. Oh, why why are you like trying to be so perfect about, sir? Things. And I'm like not do. That's not the point the point. Is it makes me feel good? It's like taking a bite of a delicious taco. It's like, it's like listening to awesome music working on your craft. It feels fucking good in. That's why we're obsessed in so addicted to it. Yeah. It's like if it was crack. That's what it is. It's it's literally is in when when you approach things, and you dread it like there's there's two thousand people that go to the gym one is oh fuck ago, Waco AM. And then you go there. And you're like fuck me, man. Yeah. There's that kind of guy. And then there's the other which is I can't wait, it's eight hell. Yeah. I'm going to meet my trainer. And you're like, oh, yeah. You just want to do more and more of it. Yeah. And it's the attitude and do you feel good when you're doing it? I think that's a huge huge thing positively so important. Yeah. I kind of go the opposite way though. Sometimes I remind myself that I'm a fucking bitch ass. I'm like your week motherfucker get to the gym and get stronger. Mike all fuck. And then I go and train more. You know, if we said that to other people because I know what you mean. But if he said that we can discourage people we can you can make people feel like I don't want to go any blow your. You're being I do that to myself, man. Yeah. Because I want wanna push myself to the utmost extreme, so I can be the best. I possibly can be. Yeah. That's I think that's an advanced level of motivation. I don't even know if it's considered motivation at that point it is because I I do I do it too. Like I'll wake up in the morning, and I'm like mad. I kinda wanna tell no I don't wanna show up to the and I'm like do not be a little bitch show up. I'm like get your ass up you're grown as men and fucking put your big boy pants on you little bitch up. And I'm like, okay. Yes, sir. Just like who the fuck are you tied into having a full conversation. I think I think you need a we need to give ourselves reality checks. I think that's all it is. Yeah, it's a reality. Check is to keep your ego down to keep your privilege down to get yourself up because the reward when you do complete it, you know, how it's gonna feel like yeah. When you finish it. You're like feel good the danger though for us though, too. I mean, at least for me is that it'll never be enough the overtraining it'll never be enough. No matter what we do. Whether it's training, whether it's business. Yeah. For me. It will never be enough. I can make a million, but it wasn't two million. Well, I'm learning balanced now because you'll get to the point where so like right now, you're you're at a stage where everything is like awesome in new right? Like like, not not new martial arts. Not nudie. Yeah. That's the wrong word. But but you have in hit burn out yet. We're we're you do work hard. Yeah. But wait till you get to the point where you get everything that you want and you're successful. You're making more than you ever. Thought was possible you're surrounded by people you love, and you take a step back and you go holy shit. All I'm doing is working and I'm not doing the other stuff. But the thing is I don't know if you'll ever run into that. Because you're really emotionally intelligent and hanging out with you. You know, how to balance yourself? I'm pretty we'll go and we'll fuck and work hard. But at the same time, you'll go guys. Let's go get a massage. I need a little break. I need some time. You know, I'll let everybody know. And we'll go do that. Yes. It might take. A well for you to get to that point. But for me, I don't do that. So I'll go seven days straight work nonstop sleep, three hours every fucking day until I'm yelling at the whole world in. I'm the worst person to be around. I've never gotten to that point in my life ever. And I've seen you get to that point. I'm like, oh, ma'am. Poor just. A patient girl, man. I never I never get to that point though. Because I I know where my limits are and I'll go all the way up to that limit. And then I walk away. Yeah. That's good. That's great. It's balance. And then I and then I feel like every time you do that though you push the threshold a little bit more every time. And that's the goal is that I want to keep pushing that threshold because I want to get better. I want to keep growing. Yeah. I feel like I'm very satisfied with life like I love life. But I think there's always room to grow. Absolutely. So I don't I'm not like living life going like, oh, man. It's not good enough. Like gotta keep trying because I'm not happy where I'm at like, it's not even close to that. I'm not super grateful, but I'm like so addicted to succeeding. Yeah. Absolutely. It's so ROY. Yeah. I wanna keep going, but yeoman does that was super fast. That was that's pretty much was that it was it do they today? Thank you for showing up, man. I hope you guys got to know Noah just a little bit more. And speaking of passion before we leave. I just created a really quick way. If you guys are having problems if you personally want to know how to find a passion because it's one of the hardest things to figure out like in. It's so easy to get overwhelmed. Because maybe you're sitting there and going like. Man. It seems like everyone around you has a passion. But me, it seems like everyone has it figured out. You know, I feel like I need a hurry up and find one well, I actually created a program. It's three easy steps. You can find it in less than a week. 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#178: Settling Into Our New House: Expectation Vs. Reality
"I'm John and I'm sherry relied home stuff we like talking and we like the occasional game show sound at. So welcome to young. House love has a podcast for we have deep and not so deep conversations about diy. Design Life at home today we're talking about has settling into our new home hasn't gone quite likely pictured it plus the stories behind some of today's most trendy design choices and the Secret Curtain Act that tried before leaving our last house. So the day this episode comes out will be one day past are one month anniversary of living in Florida. I know everyone's like you've been there a week. How are You Tan? I'm like? Get your mind wrapped around this. It has been a month I know time has no concept anymore, but we're doing our best to anchor time for you guys. It has been a month at both feels like it's been one hundred. Hundred Years and a day. Yes, but I do think month, and we can at least look back to see what sort of things have met our expectations, maybe some things that haven't or different than what we expected for our time here in Florida. Yes, expectation versus reality moving to Florida edition. Yes, I wanted to start with I guess a positive one one that sort of exceeded expectations and it is that I am. AM pleasantly surprised by how quickly we've been able to get settled. And how much like our initial placement of furniture is working out really really well. Yeah. I'm super surprised especially upstairs. We put our couch down our rug down and we're like we'll figure this out later and we were like. Oh, you're the side tables here. That lamps on his idea balls will hang the TV over the console. We're GONNA use for. For the TV and like within a few days took shape, and has remained that way, and by no means by promising in two years it will still be exactly like the same way or have the same items, but it just is funny to me because I think we plop things down. We had this feeling like there's gotTa. Be Ten other options we have to try before we're settled on this one and we. Lived with it. This is great. I think part of the reason why that is. A nice surprise is because I think it's helping. The whole family feel a bit more settled more at home in this space because there were a couple of weeks while we were unpacking still and finding spots for everything where things felt a little bit up in the air, and we felt like we were drowning in boxes and things everywhere, not in the place they needed to go, and so this place already just a month in where it feels like things are largely in the right spot has brought. I think a lot of calm to us and making this feel like home now I. Think One area in which the reality. Reality is much different than the expectation is things surrounding the pandemic and the coronavirus? Because when we made the decision to move, and we bought the house back in early February that was obviously before all the state home orders and everything happened in mid March, so we bought this house envisioning walking to the local toy store or the grocery store as a family in like going into all these restaurants, obviously for reasons. We all know that's not really in the cards at this moment. Right like we got here and we were like Oh. There's the bookstore we couldn't wait to walk to close. There's ice creams up close, but it is funny because we never could have pictured this. Our whole thing was like we can't wait to live somewhere. Walkable I'll walk to the grocery store with our daughter and we'll grab some things will like. Walk home or bike there or take the golf cart, and now it's like the reality is I will walk to the grocery store. I will wait in the line to be one of ten people inside in a mask. I get out. There is not as much romance associated with it as it was in my mind in February, but I keep. Telling John like I'd rather it be this way I'd rather land, and the best is still yet to come then to know what I was missing right exactly there was even a moment a couple of weeks ago where we were on a walk, and we sat down for a moment, and like a security guard from one. One of the game and said I'm sorry. There's no sitting here right like if you can understand how different this is than we all expected. We got yelled at for sitting on steps in a public place like on a main street of sorts, and we all were laughing like the man who said it to us was like I know this sounds insane, but there's a no sitting role right now and we're like. Oh, my gosh like no. No one was near us. We weren't breathing on anyone, and so we got up and kind of laughed about no sitting, and he walked away chuckling, because we're all kind of like. What is this reality you know, but like you said better. Things are to come eventually. We just have to be a bit more patient than we expected. Another thing that is a little different than we pictured is the construction that we've referenced a couple of times in? In, this podcast because you may be even hearing it again. They are building two new homes on the lots next door to our house. And when we bought our house back in February, those were just like wooded green lot. There were no houses on them there. No construction we did know from our realtor that they had purchased, and they were going to be built on soon, so we knew consciously that there would be construction next to our. Our home probably by the time we got here, I think the reality of it is a bit more in our face than we expected like seeing the pictures contractor was sending after we could see those lots had been cleared and construction, it started. It was like Whoa. We're all that greenery. Go Right. Yeah, we did lose a lot of really pretty trees next door, but they were never are as they weren't on. Our Lot is still full of. Of Magical, beautiful trees, and the thing I like is it's great for hurricanes because everyone keeps joking like they're going to be a windbreak, because there are these big houses that are closer to the beach than us that literally are going to be a break, and the second thing I really like is that we have befriended the owner of the one next to us, and we are going in on like an eight foot privacy fence with him. Him and we'd always expected to have a fence on that side of the House. When you have a pool, things have to be fenced anyway, so I feel like it will be just like Charles. Where we had a big privacy fence, we had houses close together and not a bit about that. Bother us. We love that I mean we met in. New York City living in tiny burden, so it's not a big deal to us but it. It is definitely like Jon said the like reality of living extra construction zone. You know with people pouring concrete and Jack. Hammering and laying huge slabs of something that literally will shake the floor. It's mostly exciting and fun to watch and sometimes a little bit loud early in the morning. We've been talking. That's kind of Karma because we've been the ones doing this construction on his houses out in Cape. Charles and people have had to live around. And so it's just our time to be the ones who have to deal with someone. Else's Yeah I was saying to John. Mostly I feel relieved that we've passed the baton, and it's not us having to manage all this. We just watched them. Deal with the, and it is very entertaining like we've seen them poor pool like shooting concrete out of a huge like a lose to create the form of a pool, and so I would put it in the leg, eighty percent entertaining, sometimes just loud in floor shaking. Am that twenty percent is mostly annoying when it's pre eight am. Early in the morning or a podcast recording, it's like suddenly they break out one hundred power tools when we're ready to record the podcast right now if you can hear it, but we're just plowing through plowing through. We're in our third location by the way to record this in the corner of our bedroom. See how that goes. I think the last thing that is probably different than I expected was because we live in an area that is a vacation destination. There are a lot of homes that are second homes for people or homes. Homes they rent out to others and right now that we're in June like we're in vacation time, so there's a lot of people here. That are on a trip. They don't live here full time, and so I think that is adding a complicating layer to meeting our neighbors and stuff that's not say we haven't been able to meet neighbors because we have made some great connections with people already whether it's face to face or online, even before we moved, but it is kind of weird when you walk down the street or you. You see someone coming of the front door. You can't be certain. They're gonNA live there the full-time right. It's like a puzzle where you like lock eyes with someone and you're like. How much should I invest into this like? Are you leaving a week or are you going to be my real friend for life? So basically what we've learned and it's the same thing for Charles. A lot of people have asked me DM's or privately like. How do you feel about living in a place? That's partially a destination for vacationers like how? How do you feel about your full time? Residents there and I said you know if I hadn't had Cape Charles I. Think I would think that was not great, but living in Cape Charles for three months over the summer, we learned that locals in places that are not all locals never take each other for granted like there is a very tight community and network of locals. We see each other at the grocery store. We see each other at the beach. We are consistently around each other, and we form these really tight bonds. Qualify say that I think it's more difficult to meet people, but once you've met people. The bond is maybe stronger than other neighborhoods because you are kind of a special group because I think right now we're having trouble. Identifying people who are full timers, and I think full timers on the reverse aren't assuming that we're full-timer, so they may not take the effort to come to us as much either so I think had we moved in the fall or the winter or sometime? That was not a prime vacation time. It would have been easier for us to identify one other, because basically everyone you saw was probably a full-timer. Some people do vacation here in this spring and the fall, but way less than people do in the summer. When like every kid is out of school, but I will say that we have already even with all the saying. It sounds like we're like so lonely. Inevitable anyone. There've been so many people who've like welcomed us. Come to the door. Leftist note and we have met four different families with kids, the exact same ages of our kids and they're gonNA. Go to elementary school together so I feel like we're already like making this network. Of course we're not like all hanging out at each other's houses, right. Right now, but we're like laying the groundwork I think to have a feeling of community and belonging, and we've been very very welcomed I would also say even in Cape Charles and here there's kind of a third nuance. Where like you have the full timers. You're the second homeowners and you have the vacation renters, and so like technically, and Cape Charles we were the second homeowners. We actually live there fulltime except for last summer where we spent the entire summer, so it's nice here to be the official fulltime residents club. Yeah, it doesn't get more legit than us. Some might even say I'm too legit to quit. That sound means that we have updates and boy. Do I have an update for you? It was episode one seventy, four, maybe seventy, five, where I said while I'm moving to central time. I will remain in eastern standard time. My entire life as I have done for thirty eight, and a half years prior and need to redact that saving I have already adjusted essential time, and it is wonderful. That is an important update. I'm sure people were wondering what was happening with your time zones. Anyone out there cocky like me. Who thinks I will just stay the way I have been for decades few moved to central time zone. Embrace it. It is a wonderful thing I was telling my family I'm having trouble adjusting to keep miscalculating the time which is unlike me. I'm usually very good at these things, but I keep moving the hour and the wrong way and the best justification I have. It is that I'm used to like accounting for my relatives on the West Coast, which is a three hour difference, but this one hour shifts sometimes I forget if. If something I've written down I wrote down in eastern time or if I already adjusted it to central time. Because like it could be eleven, it could be twelve both makes sense. They're not like way early in the morning or way late in the afternoon. I've just messed up. His families zoom. Call wants I mean I. Don't think we've been that bad. It's not like we've missed like work things. We've been on the ball most of the time and sometimes there's a new I also wanted to bring up speaking of time zones at several of you pointed out that a couple of weeks ago. This factoid about the panhandle of Florida came up on, television. Television as a question on the celebrity edition of WHO wants to be a millionaire. Yes, it was Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper and who was the contestant Anderson Cooper was contested. Handy was the phone a friend but I guess for the celebrity edition. The phone a friend is in studio the whole time helping out, and the question was to the effect of what state borders the Atlantic Ocean, but also spans two time zones, and so anybody who are podcasts are already knew. This fact knew that Florida was the answer. My blew up with everyone who has like I never knew the central time zone thing you talked about the panel and now I could be. Be a millionaire well, the funny thing was that the four options were Maine new. York Virginia and Florida, Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper were split as to whether it was Virginia or Florida and it was just funny to hear them. Debate it because we have lived in Florida Virginia and New York, three of the four options. We've actually lived in, and so we knew right away. It's definitely not Virginia which is what Andy Cohen Thought Anderson Cooper eventually answered based on his own instinct, which was Florida, and you got it right, which was good, because it was only the second question, he would have liked lost on the two thousand dollar, question or whatever. HAD BEEN A big lab. Okay, but speaking of game shows. You have a quiz for me, don't you? It's a one question quiz. A I. Don't know if I'm encouraged terrified by the fact that it's only one question. Okay, so the premise for this quiz is you know that machine? It's like a little circle that you plug in, and you say hey. You talking about an Amazon Echo. Yes, but we can't say the actual name so I'm going to call it. chm Alexa will that activate her. Why don't we just call her allison? Okay? We'll call her alison for this segment so I said hey alison put. On My shopping list? And then later I looked at my shopping list, and the most insane string of three words was on my shopping list, and I had to stare at it for like ten minutes until I remembered what I actually put on it like. She translated the common household slash diy product that I had added to the list, and she made it three insane words. So would you like to hear the words, and then I would like for you to guess what I really said that she should put on the shopping list. Okay I can't tell if I'm going to be good at this or non. Waterbed peeler. Ear. Water read dealer. Thing. Why did you put on the list? We already have one. I was literally like ear doesn't have anything to do with it. What Herman has anything to do with it? And peeler is definitely wrong. Okay year waterbed peeler. You gave me a clue that it's a diy object. That was a big clue because I didn't remember that this is also our shopping list guy so this could have been like a food item, but it is a diy thing. I feel like the key to unlock. Unlock. Here is what Peeler rhymes with. Because I feel like that's a sound. She would be close to recognizing 'cause ear waterbed. This is like a mad gab that you ever played that. Yeah, where you like say it really fast has like three random words, but if you say it fast, it sounds like something but I said this fast like ten times and I was trying figure it out brushing. My teeth waterbed pillar. It's not a healer. Sealer a Sealer, okay? Something sealer water-based peeler, a water a sealer. Okay water-based Sealer, ear. We'll get there. Clear base sealer. Her. I literally knew that. I put Clearwater Bay steeler analyst and twenty minutes later with like ear. WATERBEDS Sealer I cannot get it. You're very smart. Good job I just had to sound it out I will also share this morning that. I asked Allison to add baby carrots to the shopping list and she said you already have baby care. It's on the shopping list. Would you like to add it again? which I feel like is one of the more obnoxious features of Alison. Because why would I wanNA added again? Just tell me it's already there, because then you have to respond again. You have to say no. I don't WanNa add it and I. Feel in Little Sassy when she asked this morning I, said No. Don't you advocate yourself and she said. Ten Baby. She was feeling Sassy back. She played me so then Giannetta mainly, going to the having list full of shame. Ten, maybe? Because otherwise I would have been like why don't need ten baby carrots? They sell them in a pack of ten and let's this ear water midfielder clearwater based. Sealer I feel very good about myself. Right now got that, but next up I wanted to share an article that a few of you sent to us. That was really fascinating and I'll Lincoln and the shown. Is that young house love dot com slash podcast because it basically looks at nine trendy design elements, and explores the history of them how they came to be popular, and why they kind of persisted through time over decades and sometimes centuries, and so they go through nine of them, but I don't WanNa. Go through all nine here because that would be an hour and a half and I probably just. Just direct plagiarism of New York Times let's not do that, but I did want to highlight three of them I. thought were really fascinating in particular, so the first one is subway tile. which what would you guess is the origin of subway title well? I lived in New York for a while. They have all these little tiles on the wall. Sometimes in the really pretty stations, they even have you know like the street written entirely on the wall like it's a beautiful thing and a lot of older restaurants and older buildings in New York have that tile like I would assume it's just an old wall treatment that keeps things that might get wet or dirty protected, so you've described tile. And? You said you originated mainly in the New York subway subway. Maybe so this article says that is maybe a little bit of a myth did a bit more research and I'm not sure she can debunk it entirely. What the author this article says is that the idea of white porcelain tile is something that predated the New, York subway system because in the Victorian era, which is like mid eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds. White Tile was a staple in middle class Victorian homes. Because it was hygenic, it was easy to clean dirt was easy to spot, and it was almost a contrast to the more fanciful or colorful tiles that were used on fireplace, hearths, or fireplace surrounds like if you've seen those old houses that have really pretty like per lesson, Greens up around the fireplace. Fireplace those so this author says it was the designers that New York. Subway system that carried the function of hygienic white porcelain tile when they were designing the subway stations in one, thousand, nine four. That's when New York City subway system began, and they said they chose it for the same reasons that would make the subway stations look and feel cleaner they. They feel brighter and that's where the subway Kinda took off. This author says that no one is quite sure how term subway tile coined or win got coined. Allow historian, not really historian. Sherry Peter Sake to take a stab at this. There are lots of things that occur for a while in design and don't have a term and then someone mainstream and. And it gets term so I. believe that what happened is a lot of people were like well. Basic White Tile doesn't need a term that's what will use in kitchens and bathrooms for awhile, and then when the entire New York subway system started using that basic white tile. It became known as SOA job. Yeah, but I think I wasn't clear the subway. We're the ones who popularized the three by six tile that sort of to buy one rectangular shape that is placed in a running bond pattern. See you're saying that wasn't in kitchens and bathrooms and the subway designers were like hey. I got an idea bricklayer pattern. Yes, I thought the history of this particular part was a little fuzzy, so all linked to some of the other articles I read in preparation for this segment, actually did a little bit of research whether I'm conveyed inaccurately here who knows? But the other interesting thing about the subway tile discussion was she was talking about how it became popular more recently, and why we see it so often, and they said part of this more recent history subway tile is because in the nineteen nineties, more artisan colorful statement tile became very popular, especially like for back splashes, and in response to that people started going back to the subway tile, the clean white porcelain tile as a way to make a nod to more historic or timeless or classic designs follow question You keep saying porcelain, but isn't subway tile ceramic. Do I! Yes, I think it is ceramic. I, meant polished I. Think Read My own word. Word as polished White Tile Porcelain, why twenty eight ceramic tile has generally what's used? Yes, the other note was interesting on this. They said part of the reason. It's become more popular in these last couple of decades is because of the design of Schiller's liquor bar or restaurant in New York, city I love that place. We've been there together. It was like actually know that place. That was a favourite of my sisters when I lived there, so I've probably been there three or four times, and yes, it sticks out in my brain is a place where I I sort of saw subway tile used as designed feature like the same way you see rooms. Rooms now they have Florida sealion subway tile, maybe sometimes in a bathroom, surrounding the entire four walls of the room like that's kind of how Schiller's liquor bar took subway tile. Even the bathrooms are fabulous. Please go tell me how much you love it. Yes, it's a gorgeous place. I felt so in the know when I read that. It was like I have been there. There are probably like ten percent of things that we used to go to New York that are still in New York 'cause we've been out of New York for like fourteen years, but that's a classic. Let's move on though from subway tile to the fiddle leaf big. Ooh, what? What are we going to learn about this? It is a native plant of western Africa, and in nature can grow as tall as fifty feet now i. also learned as a type of plant called an epic fight, maybe and in nature like in the rainforest. Sometimes we'll begin growing on top of another tree, which has its way of getting to the canopy in the sunlight and the rain forest faster by basically like taking a boost from an existing tree. Can you imagine if you were just like on a hike? And you saw fatally faked balancing on top of another tree well, and here's the crazy part then it will grow its roots. Because its roots to get there eventually, and in the process will wrap around the existing tree and suffocated. So, it's kind of evil. I won't look at my fiddles the same way anymore. What are they going to do our sleeping? They say they don't always go that way. But that is one way they can grow interesting, but yes, I think we all think of Italy fig as like a trendy more recent plant I think the Times actually a few years ago, named at the plant of the decade. Will you know who? Who I learned about it from I remember this very very intensely, so we watched a show called design star on hgtv probably ten years ago. The one Emily Henderson one. Yes, I was GONNA say there was a contestant name Emily Henderson. You might know her. She's a big blogger now. She won I was maybe the second or third season David Brom. That was the first winner. Oh, I didn't remember that he sure. Did, not, remember that. Yeah, because also David bronze competed with the woman who got eliminated in the first episode because she painted a vacuum cleaner as art. Oh I. Don't remember I remember that very intensely. Wow! But what I was GONNA say as emily this like I think it might have been her final challenge, and it was like a conservatory or something with lots of windows. Glass Room in Central Park, I think we're Bryan. Park something really cool and she put like one or two really big fiddly fixing there, and that's when I was like. Wow, that plant has like big round soft leaves. Like what is that? And then when you hear, the term fiddly fig. It stays in your mind. I've actually heard from lots of. Of people who listen to podcast who think I'm saying fiddly? F. I l. y. doody, really fig, but I am saying fiddle leaf fig. Yes, because it's leaves, resemble the strings of a fiddle right but I remember that point being like. Wow, what is that tree and then sure enough? When you notice something you start seeing everywhere I started noticing. Oh, it's like a lot of magazines. I've seen it on. Other blogs ever told emily you credit her. With introduction, the fiddling see mainstreamed it much like the subway mainstream subway. Well News? For Emily it was mainstreamed. Lock before us. Bloggers were around because back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, nine better homes and gardens listed it in one of their top eight houseplants. Really. Yes, so it goes way back. It is not new or news. At this particular issue which came out during the depression? They said it was great, because it doesn't take up so much room, nor does it require a large pot. Wow Me, mine required kind of a large pot what? What would if you think about other indoor trees or large plants? Maybe maybe maybe I'm not really great at indoor trees other than fiddly fix. I WANNA try my hand and all of tree, but part of me worries I'm not cut out for well. We've got a lemon tree. Hind are recording booth of story and guys. Do you WanNa? Know something that will enrage you. It had four lemons when we got it. John has accidentally knocked. One remaining. This thing has to learn how to hold onto lemons better. Like overly gesturing while a winning? Current No, I'm just getting close to the. Like thumb thumb. That Eleven John! Well I. will say even if you disagree with this article from Nineteen thirty nine about it size, you will agree that they said it's weakness is that it has a tendency to drop its leaves? Yeah, it does if it's mad at you. Will come down, but they also listed other historical touch points for the finale fig in one thousand nine fifty two Britons country life also included it, and around up, talking about the growing popularity of evergreens inside, and this was I guess in contrast to a longtime preference to have cut flowers as your greenery so sort of shift from going flowers to plant trees in your house. Interesting I feel like is really having a moment well. This is what they said back then is the reason why people. People are turning away from flowers is because during World War Two? Farmers were encouraged to use their land for food production, not for ornamental things like flowers, so there is less availability of flowers, also I guess around that time is when central heating became more popular throughout homes, and the central heating makes it harder for indoor flower survive longer interesting, and as where it's more recent resurgence, the reason many actually point to why we are seeing so much now is because of things like pinterest and instagram. suddenly saturation. It's like to me where I saw it on design star I had my is ball's have never noticed if plant like that, and then suddenly I was seeing it everywhere because we have this saturated world of magazines and online and Pinterest and all although I don't think pinterest is during design, Star I dunno Pinterest came in two thousand ten. They said if you look back. Back like every decade has had its quote, unquote it plant in the fifties and sixties. It was the African Violet in the seventies. It was spider plants and macaroni hangers. Ooh, macaroni is another subject. They dive into in this article by the way, if you want more of a deep dive on history of that, and said even in the early two thousand things like terrariums are very popular. Learned about a Bell Jar, I did not know about these like messengers. No, no, no, no, the big glass Dome Oh close a cloche. That's what is not a bill jar. A cloche I didn't know what a close was. And then we walked through that had all these glass closures on top of some plants, and I was like wonder what those are and then I started seeing them every better homes and gardens suddenly they were selling them at home goods like they were having a moment to. Well I could see why some of these other old plants from previous decades wouldn't work as well in today's instagram -able world because they are smaller, they don't make as much visual impact as a fiddly fig, which we learned can grow as tall as fifty feet, holy cow, so I think that's why we're favoring now. These larger plants that take up a lot of space I mean people love Italy figures it houses big leaves, and it really commands a lot of presents way. This is a throwback I gotta just promote another podcast we did with on. She taught us so much about like how? How to keep figs alive, which she believes the new Italy fig like the next it plant. It's the monster, so I will link that in the show notes. We had the most fun conversation ever a lots of laughs. She's the best so I'll link that in the show notes, you can learn more about plants. She is the reason I went from lots of Pho- to lots of real and she turned me around one episode. So you have a hope if you're at home and you're like I can't in one episode change my ways you can, because I did truly are most life changing episode. Okay the last topic I wanted to talk about which was near, and dear to our hearts. Is Re Tan oh? Do you know the difference? Between Rattan and wicker I did not know this so I think the difference in Ratan is that it's firmer and wicker is like thinner. It's a sheath of would versus retain being like the whole piece of would get this. Tan is a plant wicker is a construction method. Oh hold on. Let my brain wrap around that. So ratan is the name of a plant that grows in East Asia. Palm plant is almost like a vine like plant and people like it as a material because it has this really firm solid core that you can use for framing things, but then also. Is this really flexible that you can use to? We've things with so it's a very useful material, so it's called wicker when you use returned to make a criss cross cross hatch shape. I didn't investigate exact definition of wicker, but yes, you could use rutan to construct something wicker. Yeah, so wicker is the pattern of crisscrossing fibres. It's the construction method, but people use things like willow or Rafia also to construct wicker furniture, so wicker is not exclusively retained, but Colorado Tan it is. I think it's Kinda of like in cooking. Can't you make a word I'm looking for? And you only know with set rice. Thing where you make he laugh. No, what's up? I learned this on top chef once. I'm going to get there. This is like you get. No. No. There's something we often mistake as an ingredient, but is the cooking method. I'm not a cook, so I don't know, but it's that kind of distinction. How was that for great analogy every I believe you're talking about easy Mac is to Mac and cheese. As Ratan is to wicker perfect times, it is and sometimes it is. We're going to move on. Forget as part of the podcast ever happened. So I guess we're Tan became popular also in the Victorian Age because it was hygienic. To upholstery okay, but it faded in popularity in the early to mid nineteen hundreds, because people are beginning to favor more clean line furniture like mid century furniture leather leather came in hard. Maybe but you know re Tan furniture. It was usually constructed more ornate, curly Q. Design in that began to be seen as like to freely or nate, and so there are two things that they said brought it back into popularity that both happened in the nineteen sixties. One was kind of the summer of love hippie culture that was. Was An general rejection of the clean lined modernists that had taken over the nineteen fifties, people were growing their hair longer and wearing gypsy skirts, and all these things macro make him into play exactly, and so the returned to retain was kind of in the face of all that clean line mid-century stuff, but the other thing that I thought was funny as something that happened in the sixties that helped launch pretend was the creation of peer one. No freaking way I made this joke. That's what they say this article. Pierre one have you heard, but they opened in nineteen, sixty two and retain furniture was part of their collection, this whole kind of free spirited vibe of their decor, which we have still seen today, my question is this without peer one. Where are we GONNA get cushions? Two things because they are the only story you can walk in and buy eight hundred different types of cushions well, and where are we going to get their iconic ratan piece of furniture the Papa on chair? Oh, that might die with them R.I.P. R.I.P did you ever have one of those. Yeah, okay. Yeah, we all had those. Didn't we those in dorms? We have those in new. York apartments are like specifically got one four my room like it was not the family pop on chair. It was like when I had my room. In High I ask for pop on. Do you not save your money and get yourself? I don't remember who said decor request. No, I probably bought it because I had a job. You were like a man about town you. Your self take the red one, please. It was black loaded into my El Camino. Did have an El Camino, college. It was my dad's. It did not run very well. Sorry. But yeah, they said that peer one probably helped mainstream ratan again, and even though pure one is no longer with US retain lives on because people continue to love it for being a bendable and durable and biodegradable material that is easy to clean and affordably priced. Yeah, they also had that hanging egg chair that they did, but lots of people are doing that, too, but anyways I will link to this. New. York Times article so. So if you want to read the history of all nine items in addition to maccarone, they also talk about bark. Hearts string lights, and I'm now forgetting the other ones ship that only goes as far back as fixer upper there. There's your origin story mainstream done fixer. What about rain chains? Everybody loves telling. Me Rain Chain. News lately. No rain chains not part of either whatever they are. Link will be in the show and. PODCAST, but now we gotta get into what we are digging wha-what. So this week. I am digging curtain rods without big. Finian's about a year ago, I started to notice that some of my favorite designers and catalogs and magazines were sort of doing away with the big ball at the end of the any all the big acrylic object, the big cylinder, and no sooner did I noticed this? Then I was like Oh Gosh I can't. Can't see it now. My vinnie's look like over the top crazy. What are these big things on the end of them? Well a big deals just like the ones on top of a lamp shade also are sometimes seen as a place for self expression, and to do something interesting, because like even if you go into lowe's or home, depot or somewhere in by. By some of their off the shelf curtains, the often have interchangeable feels that you could buy that have all sorts of designs and materials and stuff like an iron swirl, or like a gemstone. There's all different choices, but ours usually just had the like round ball that was the same Lebron's color as the rest of the Rod right, so those were throughout our house. House in Richmond throughout the Beach House throughout the duplex, so about a year ago I very quietly without telling anyone didn't experiment wherein I removed the females from the rods now the feels keep the curtain rings on like they're an important stopping feature on the end of a Rod, so what we were doing was live in fast and furious, two fast two furious. Open. The curtains wildly John does when he knocks lemons off. The curtain ring would fly off the Rod because there's data stopping mechanism. So anyway what we did is we lived with like a year without them. It was largely fine every once in a while like one ring would flip off. The whole curtain wouldn't fall off the edge or anything dangerous, but when we did the last video tour, I think you can see if you look at my curtains, and for all the showings I know they were off because it was when we were loading the pot, majorly downsizing when I found this big ziplock bag officials just like giant job breakers. Weren't ready to commit to the financial less look completely, so we didn't throw them away and I'm glad you didn't throw them away because we put them back on before we left because we didn't want the new owners to deal with. Kurds, fine off the brackets or anything, yes, like the entire Rod can shift, because you don't have these end like punctuation marks holding it and so I just. Just was like I. Don't know what the new family is going to be like. Maybe they're even wilder than John. With curtains, I systematically walked around the house. Put them all back on each rod, but when I was shopping for this House I very much was in that state of mind. I want them to be brass and I also want them not to have a huge thing on the. The End, so what I'm thinking about is for the show notes. Maybe I can gather not only the rods. We bought for this house, but I'll find a few other options like in different finishes made by different companies, so you can see what I mean, but now they've told you. I feel like you might not be able to unseat because it was like the second noticed it suddenly i. I was like Oh. My Gosh. All the catalogs I love her doing that all the bloggers I'm really like Super Indy right now are doing that like it just feels like much like this other fatally fig. I couldn't get it out brain. It was like that so I'm very sorry if I just change your whole brain, everyone out there is now getting on a ladder taking their females off. There will be curtain rods going wild I will give you one tip you ready for it. If you squeeze a little tiny bit of Cock under the Rod, where the rods rests on the support, it won't shift. That's my cheap method. You can also really tightened that screw that holds them from popping out, and sometimes I will hold it in place. It depends on where the screw meets the Rod Right, so they're a little bit of cheater methods. If you'RE GONNA, go take off. You Might WanNa take that screw up. There maybe have some clock if you need it, Sherry at one point also suggested gluing quarters on the end of. Termination. I thought that might look weird squashed that idea. And this week I am digging pinatas which. Never thought you'd say that I don't think you need any more explanation. The end I mean. Isn't everyone always taking who doesn't like Yada? No, I'm specifically digging Pignon Graham. This is a thing. I randomly came across because I saw. One of my friends receive one on social media. They got this pin Yada Graham is what it's called pin PINATA GRAHAM DOT COM or Dot Com Lincoln in the show notes, but literally like twenty bucks you can send people through the US mail. This little tiny pin you ought probably the size of I dunno stuffed teddy bear, or so like it's not obviously normal sized pin Yada, but is substantial enough the exact size of Burger. It's if Burger were paper. And you put candy inside. He would eat the candy and break out of the. I think it's a little shorter than Burger, but yeah, it is a Chihuahua size. If I. May that arrives in The mail and it has almost kind of like a saddle on it that you can print a message to the person you're sending it to, and it is filled with a little bit of Candy I. Don't think it's a lot of candy. It's like a handful of candy, so don't send it someone for the candy. Send it to someone for the Pinata because I have. Have now sent two of them ever since I saw I sent one to my godmother for mother's Day and went to my mom for her birthday. As a surprise, they both loved it. Guys like took pictures posing with it and sent them back to us. It was a huge success. My mom was even too nervous to bust busted open to get the candy, but she found there was a trap door. Door, she could go into, so she could enjoy the candy and keep the integrity of the Pinata as well. Yes, she was like very relieved when she discovered the trap door because she didn't want to ruin it for the candy. I think she would have kept it forever with the Kenny in it that you not found the trap door. Yes, so I was just so happy to stumble upon it I. I think it's a pretty reasonable price to send something like that. It's about twenty bucks, and it's just a fun thing to get in the mail especially these days when you may not be able to spend time in person with the people that you want to spend time with, it's a nice little gesture of love that you can send through the mail and it's opinion. It's a party in your mailbox. Thanks for listening in Young House. Love has podcast. Just realized we forgot that last week was our four year anniversary of this podcast. Got Four years to podcasts. Waiting? You only got four years to listen to this except we're going to keep go with Madonna and Justin Timberlake Song. Yes, it is I just wanted to say. Thank you for listening whether you've been listening for four years or just one week. Thank you and you know we love to hear what you do while you listen like Andrew, h said it took her a month and a half, but she finished every single one of our episodes. We are honored and don't forget to head over to young house. Love Dot com slash podcast for this week's show notes. Article about those nine two core trends, and some of those curtain rods that Sherry promised include photos at how old rods looked at our house with females remove later i. So. This is less of an outtake more of a postscript because I double checked a few things. We talked about in this episode. Are you ready for some shocking news? This is like a fact. Check fact, check so. Emily Henderson was the winner of season. Five of are not two or three holy cow. I forgot a lot of designs so. I was thinking Rizzo, Oh okay, and are you ready for the truly shocking news? Schiller's liquor bar closed three years ago. Oh. That's so sad why? Don't know. So, people can't go see the bathrooms, but I'll try to put some pictures in the show notes so sad. I was like one of the only places still open fifteen years later. nope.
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Welcome bonus bet online your online sportsbook experts and exclusive partner of podcast one sports net. podcast one. The Steve Austin show classics. Joey Coco Ds as just rolled into three seventeen street but a long time since I've seen man when you look beautiful. Great. Great. Great to see finally. Everybody's going to be happy on the Internet. We've finally got the Chit, Chat. Tell stories from the movies and. They always hit me back. You guys got gotta get together. So you can exchange stories and stuff. So here we are. Here we are. It's daytime used podcasts at nighttime nighttime thrown your schedule no no no I could talk shit twenty seven. It's just the we live in a different world. Now as we were talking about that he call you auditions late you don't. People don't understand the traffic concept here. But you have to learn it and the traffic concept is if I have to be Steve Austin's at twelve I have to leave my asked ten thirty even though at the thing says an hour. Okay. Even though it says an hour it, you still l leave at ten thirty and even though I'm a thief and I take the Hov Lane I, put a hat over my daughter's from car seat. You know you know May. Doug. Mind, but it adds to the days where everybody 'cause you're going hey, I'm ten minutes late reality at twenty minutes late and they get that they got the head together your whole days like that. You know how it is on the other side of the coin are yeah. But Dude I get it. It's like a what I leave for something if I got an appointment of meeting whatever it is and I leave early, I'll get on A. Dancing on my iphone Bush in it'll say it's GonNa take like fifty six minutes just Allison Universal City L. Man I left an hour an hour and a half in advance. Wife says, maybe you're going to be you're going to be get their way too early and said I don't care. I'll sit in my. Car and just get on my own check emails. CALL SOMEBODY UP I'll settle ground. I'll do whatever I gotta do. One thing I won't do is walk in that room. Leith. Yeah I'll be early them and like you said I think. You're talking are are rolling sound as you were trying to get adjusted usually like some people you know it's funny when you into the gashes amen you know kind kinda todd but I can give you twenty minutes. Would you come down for? You should told me talk by myself for now? A man we could've done phone call twenty minutes. Yeah. You're just wasting my job as yours. It's. Usually at night. My. Weeks. A. Child. At a five zero to the mix when you want to be involved is this types of parenting. I was apparent wants earlier in I wanted to go out and do what I WANNA to do. That's why that job doesn't speak mcclay. So I had a second chance. So now I do it by the letter. Is Why do if you're not gonNA do it right? You know I got a second chance Austin. So there's the other thing, but now I'm just happy to be with you for years. I've been telling the you know the funniest story ever I was thinking about the way. They, put us up at a hotel. We shot the longest yard in two thousand four Hall Hotel Santa Fe. When you walked in, there was an Indian do that they paid play the flute. That's it a soft Indian flute. And you sit at the Bar, you know whatever? I don't know what happened. One day that guide this appeared never came back and I asked to front eighty when thing happen to the end with the flute and she goes as your friends from the longest yard. Somebody picked them up. One night I think was Kevin Nash was to pick them up and spun him around the in the is I'm not going back there ever yet man that was a while bunch that was wild. Watch. Did. You enjoy the movie I enjoyed everything about the movie the poem at that movie. was. It was the first good thing that ever happened to me and. I kept walking around like a brick was gonna fall on my God damn. I was waiting for the set the fall on me or did you read the book? What would come Jonathan By Houston Rockets six coach, he read the You read that book he speaks about going into the LA whatever they played those days. Yeah. At the sign was over you and he would look when he would be played. Bingo. One of these days that sizing the fall down the night kermit Washington punched him. You woke up because the design for. You. That's how I walked around I thought. That something was gonNA happen like this is true on publicity Washington. I'm talking to Kevin Nash up sitting next to the Guy Warriors On this side I got burt Reynolds talking to me like I've known him for twenty. Years. That just an hour at the table read yet with walking like I know what's going on what's going on on a piece as- slightly, and then the lady shows up and takes a tits out at the table ry. The Old Lady that was the only woman in the movie she's contact attorneys out. Did of Flat Jack Eighty year old. Ted's pick them up at the table read and that's how I knew table. This is not the went on first of all I'm not GonNa lie anybody when when they called me go to the table. Read that. Tuesday. I thirty five dollars cash that was it no money and the ATM at half a pack of cigarettes in three joints. I gave a five Limo driver that drove me to the table. Read at thirty cash. Seven hundred cigarettes in Joyce I didn't know what was going to happen. That was the truth at the my wife didn't have any cash I had no money. That's thirty five dollars. That was all I hadn't this planet I didn't have a ring upon. And I went down and forget that. They gave us an envelope. We check then I took it upstairs in this paper. was eight hundred dollar bills. And keys to the truck I didn't have a license. I had a licensed by they didn't have a license like I add a license in Colorado I. Lost It. Didn't even have license. I'm driving around Santa Fe beeping both Amiga people finger. I, guess this real I, smoke the joint on the balcony, the very first night. And, the dog I comes actually listen they smelled the we says be careful. It's volley pretty good stuff I. Go you know anything about that? He Goes Oh yeah I know we. For Sale come to the front I went down I bought a bag away from the Little Belmont that was my first day on the set. That was my first day like I didn't know anybody. I knew I knew Michael Irvin from the best. Damn sports show. That was Michael everyone in a good place during the film that movie I know that I I didn't either until afterwards. I think he'd missed a couple of days and so man vote looking for him ended up finding him think you gotta step straight down more mcvay receivers of all time. But back in the days are times. How did you have in your bar because? Back in the day most wrestler guys I think me go Berkshire Probably Kevin Nash were represented by Barry Bloom remember would duleep Singh can't remember who was representing him but also this cash in Qalanou because it can be the longest yard I needed some big guys and guys from the wrestling world would be good for some of these parts in theory they weren't heavy on the dialogue. Obviously, there's no bring in a couple of high level football player and former Brian Bosworth Bill Romanowski I've got to get your opinions on those gas because man Romanowski holy smokes. So we go down and go down to. Down the street here to Sony or wherever happy Madison and. I'll do my read you know for guard done them. You know and but I just want an errand like full four. She'll kind of like an wrestler mode I just quit the wrestling business. Not. In west of. Gaul was you got Barton said cool and said button we need to shave goatee off prison regulations off there. Man I'm still go Steve Alston they're gonNa let me slide right. Let me go on with this goatee and This. This movie is done by regulations real deal, right so you play in a new world and it's my first acting gig. So man I shave almost off from here down man. Talk or my wife's and looked like a cop. anyways part we're we go Santa Fe. Part movie set my memorizing my live you that I got and only smokes dude. We got Santa Fe, me and Kevin. Nash started drinking. We'd ranked so much and I know you heard he stores because I don't think people believe how much to human basic could drink and alcohol and re single night, and finally we finished in China Fei took her back here to la? That's what party really starts right? And I still remember the coolest coming back there and you guys is they had. US and you guys in the same row at El Camino college that Nellie everybody else on the other side and bigger trailers. And that side was I mean Adam wouldn't even walk back there like he was only to go back there is no back I smelled marijuana. then. Gobert who ripped the door off every day his door would shut. So he ripped it off the inches and throw it. I was me who is breaking the door on purpose. So, he rip it off the hinges or Janata Mile Adam Santa because you guys cross paths, I mean both come from same standup or government him never saw him and between you and I and this table and the people. I did not think he was amusing. I had nothing against them. I came from a standup world where was low harder hit in comedy. And I thought he was soft. I it. No Adam. Sandler was to the day of the of the table read. When I arrived at Sony and my door opened. Adam Sandler took my luggage car and carried up the stairs with flip-flop. Sam Cooke lops are grown millionaire which shorts and flip flops. And we went says they told me to eat when I saw that buffet I was like they'll do game a mel duquet vanity Cuban pitcher he said the first time he wanted to. A Yankee. clubhouse he saw that food he started crying yet never seen that much food and his life. And that's like I was like I. Walk in a room is. Michael. Irvin you. Hello Bill. When? Bill Vic Picnic. Great Act he still has a sad nobody knows who he is, but that's always. The guy that killed me the most in that movie was little guy from the warriors soon as I saw him. I was like. What that how have I done here at the end of the day you know Adam Sandler was the bottom line because mean got to go direction thing he does anyway because he's the man but I'll never forget you know what I sell the first cut of that or you know the end product whenever it was. When I was in full wrestler mode know I was way over the top and I'm like No one ever told me that you know we do the scene, a couple of times the other person's coverage and would move on but have you now when i WanNa Watch that movie back? I. Was like God I was so loud. When cameras up close joing back off or you just? Need to be turned up to ten all the time and I felt like I was yelling the whole movie which I didn't need to Yale like man. I wish someone would have told me back down a little bit. You know. I wasn't an actor. I'd never studied in You know take an acting class I just knew my lunch but I'd like to direct me help me out. The Green guy here. So just mad about my performance because I thought it could use some some better co quite frankly direction instruction when you think of the finished product when you Well I enjoyed it I enjoyed it a lot and. Adam Sandler Fan and built tickner did a great job as soon. You know quarterback Arshad and so I enjoyed it but man when you're trying to and it was cooled at Burt Reynolds who's air but when you try To make the Redo one of those iconic movies of all time the law jarboe he'll everybody'll burt reynolds was a man back in the day and so try to remake a movie like that. You know it's kind of it's kind of a big footsteps to feel I thought thought it did a great job and kind of doing a little bit more comedic spin on it because of the characters involved with Adam being the lead guy coming from the world comedy. Yeah. He does series was the last time he wants to the original long Oh man I haven't seen an original one in probably you know fifteen ten, fifteen years be the watch the so weird because I, saw that movie. A particular movie theater the Union city. New Jersey. Cinema. And there was only two movies that I saw in there that brought animals like we went chest right? One was rocky. who was the longest yard and I can talk about ain't GonNa Dragons while the Bruce. Lee. Ones I saw Palmetto who that I saw million movies net grown up nothing drove US crazy around the walk loan in the wall I knew people my mom had a Baugh. So people who have been imprisoned on that ball and I went back and told them all my God wants you guys were great and all this stuff in my head. So in the movie came back again, I was like I wanted when I first saw the finished product I cried. I was upset. I was upset especially when he put the finger in mouth and gave the Guy Louisiana's gave wasn't there that day I would have been smacking people. Like I was just pissed and I watched the movie with family and it's entertained look today it's on every. Weekend I'll never get when a gas move that part I was running back. You know and I thought well, you know don't awesome and I'm of a snug double. Well, I get. There got no stunt double. Padded up ain't ain't running a couple of years and especially in the football setting and man it a hamstring Joey I can't run very fast. I up I'm. Glad. You brought up actions because apple to hamstrings in my life was in the moving along yard because I was running through all those those drills run through the tires. For for shoot you waiting about two seventy, five at a time dude I was jacked and wrinkle a lot I mean it's it's wonder we didn't explode and burst into flames because it was hotter than hill. We came out there Santa Fe Dude if you remember that son was just beaten down on his side of the. Big Dumb Ass I'm out there bald headed. I'm an all bino to begin with a very. You know sensitive to the light. So I. got these UVA UV rays. Yes kicking my ass next day I woke up. My head was read than a Dick on a dog I mean I was son Murtaugh someone. I've ever had my life and I'm like I can't sell it get nobody knows now smarten. Up I'm using all Damn Sunscreen lotions sin way running up through the drills. I thought stunt double dead not and I'm over and run up that guy's name. Yeah. I thought this acting was going to be easy and shit little tough and I thought it was going to be and then along Daimyo back your exercise, we'll get back to the movies but it should and will shoot the breeze move on. XS first came out just like you said, and I'm fifty three because you're a little bit ahead of me what you fifty five a month you got about two years and how were you when you saw that? Okay. So I was twelve I was at my best buddies house over Edna Texas town of five thousand people I lived about five blocks from a buddy. Zigzagged, DABNEY's blocks. This is Texas it is darker and Shit. I mean just black and I just seen the exorcist Linda. Blair just an incredible movie spinner head and a three sixty stabbed herself on a crotch with a crucifix spit up the PEA. Soup on a preacher levitated out of the bed. I, mean Dude that movie scared Shit Adamy saw walking home. On this big bats a bitch, right? You've been lifting weights and stuff like started back in the day. But of course, you know your toughest nails and isn't it? Well, I got to this one corner Joey. This was a darkest blackest streak data Texas I got to walk straight through that sound bitch and I'm thinking. Left. lended arrives, damning. Way Me. I took off I swear to God Joey. Straight up shoot. I. Don't know how fast I was running as miles per hour, but it was Spanish as my stubby little legs could take my as repertoire got into the core to the corner where the lamppost was pull. pull my `have string in my right leg from running like a mother from seen scariest movie and being in dark as how bad that movie scared me that movie you could sit there for I talk about almost every three weeks I mean how good that movie is with somebody and they go. I, just watched it. I can't believe I never saw that before you know none of those gadgets issued Ademi and I love one miles in the Water Pacific Ocean but I never been a true Watergate grew up skiing that are in south Texas intercoastal canal. Guy Named. One of the first and only movies. My family ever went to was Victoria Texas I mean you know class I mean we should go a lot of movies but on this movie John's had just came at noon I guess we'll seventy seven, seventy, six, Alma, what what it was but nonetheless, we all went to theater Dude Josh I, mean this wooden a horror movie. Would you call that not an action adventure just a movie about a big shark in the water people up dude that movie when that lady was first outdoor swimming I think you're going go there and start skinny dip party. Yeah and the guy ever made an underwater that chicks. Williams. Out there and sudden she gets pulled down like a cork and also nothing leg severance starts to bottom of whatever she just dragged around both she she's gone and it's like Holy Shit Dude I was damn near straight up scared to take a bath a bath and about the water because that Damn Shark I'm Cuban and I'll jump an ice sculptor the beach to my skin niece. Go to the beach a lot with the baby. Those days are going on and all that stuff especially now I go up to my knees and even then you don't know what's going to happen or if I do go in. One of those leaves touching my legs. Little corals that's memorandum. I. Run on their. Once you take up surfin because you know San would go serve him Roman ask people like adding longest yard and I'm like dude. I ain't got good settle eggs OMI choice meat for big shark said, there's GonNa be a lot of things that happened in my life but get my leg bit off while trying to serve angle be one of them. So I, just avoid to water I ain't down with it I like everything. And Unlimited you. The worst thing about that that movie was either shot or supposed to be off the coast of Long Island Montauk. New York. I was a kid. A Guy I knew had a house up in Abadi. which is advil or which is real close to that place. And I remember going at that time I have been to the beaches in Cuba. Obviously, our member have been to the beach and Coney Island and I've been down the Jersey Shore. I'd never been to out there and that was the first time that I wouldn't beach wasn't even a beach at it was he though it was cloudy would see crabs. Backwards and front which on the beach shelves everywhere and I'm like. You could tell that's where they have the most entrance in. The rate Weitz they come up I guess that's right I don't know. Scientists. You asked me something earlier than I wanted to tell you. The most dangerous gone in that movie was Go Roman asking. You never know what's going to happen about him, but I had a saving grace. Or you're planning on. No No. My best friend off it's bland. Yes. Okay the what save me was that. His one of his best friends is one of my best friends we grew up together with Cuban. He played safety at Boston College Romanoff scheme that she opened that save me with. That was my in in with him as he saw me goes cocoa and we started talking and that made it easier. But I don't if you remember that little. Italian, dude on the set, it was a guy that was a guard that was a little Italian do five hundred eleven. He was on the Developmental Squad, the New England Patriots. He hurt three people on that set. He just hit. He was the perfect size this something about a big guy hitting a six foot four by Jack Lambert but also some about safety. A little safeties? Bit Stronger he whacked the Guy One guy was walk around with ball. Any hurt somebody's leg lows mike urban type catches eat pounded them. If you watch that movie over that scene we're Romanowski supposed to hit me. Fast on opposite joke I had my home and on and ask you was there in the kid with that and coach was a great guy goes who'd he will tackle from and I go? I seen with this Italian. The whole week. Fifth between you do get hit by Roman asking. I wouldn't have said that in front of Rome cocaine and whatever else in my mind the night before. Made me say that he took it personally. That was the first time ever almost I. Don't know what was going to happen that he started hitting me of seen why catch the ball. And he hit me the first time. He goes he looked at me and he goes. Now you rather get hit by someone I go though surprises all you got. Vaccine he came out again banned knock me down. But I was like I've been hit worse. I got up when I go that's the best you got. Jesus you play in the NFL. Then if you see that last one, he made my helmet turn around. That's the one that hit my spine electric shops and I even got up again like go. That's the best you got be enough. So it was a DB. Romanowski Romanowski slant me that guy was about his intentions you could get and you know the one thing him spitting that nude space I mean. I while he was an outstanding player but he was he could be construed as a dirty player I got along great with me to and I'll tell you what man of sudden you get out there and Adam. Sandler. quarterback or he's going to the you know whatever doing the snack out and handed off and I'm looking Romanov's counting holy Shit because you could see Romo. Romo's a smart guy, very, very dash. Good. Looking guys kind of got those are. Just kinda squat. You do all of a sudden as soon as they started barking signals Romo. This big and he was a Predator and he can see every single thing on the field and I'm just I'm just watching his is because he do. Outstanding Football Player when that new scanning fit field and come. Back to Predator in Predator scanning something he's Markan distance he's putting across on it. That's like Up Thinking Holy Shit. I'm pretty tough guy. Speaking I don't WanNa get drilled by. Romanowski. Because I'm thinking go full shoot mode and just crippled my ass but we was on the same side but you know what I'm saying he was a guy I thought he was just GonNa Crank on somebody, and then if you remember the second are whatever last play of the modern last play you know because. Bart. Reynolds comes back for Cameo and he's GonNa make at winning touchdown and you'll peyot Mazar ms respects and whole thing because he's got go through Romo Romo and I was saying it is Romo's ego going to be so great that he can't let Burt Reynolds score on me going to drill burt and burrows about seventy two at this time give her takes. Because today, you'd be about eighty one or his is anyone can same age as my dad but I thought he was gonNA kill Burt. Reynolds and we use talking about Burt Reynolds while ago at the table read topping you like known you for twenty years. Do we got there? We'd been filming for while Burke comes on the set I think he was dealing with some bike issues at the time you know pay bills. Like there is remember how cool. Enemies was member when they came that. Guy was such a sweetheart and was so nice to me but there's Berkman legend and all move is from a shark machine smoking abandoned to all stuff to huge more roles fan. So now's my chance to get a chance to meet the guy and you know you've been around for a while Jill. You know when you need some people and I'll send you still get your hand join US I'm Steve Austin or whatever, and I just blow you off like a piece shit I that's what I was expecting. Do Chip. Wouldn't have long when it conversation but we talked for about two or three minutes and it was it was gracious as he could imagine I was like. Thank God, one of my childhood heroes was Supra Koto may sell it was it was great to meet a man that looked up to for so many years doing all those movies at one time dude he was a number one box office strikes moral. So he turned out being cool I said you put on the beginning of long shot I'm not advocating anything or anything. This movie was made in nineteen seventy four who was a different America. Has Obeys to? Jacket harm he smacks a woman chokes. Steals a car hits in the CAW and the AD insult mother injury. The song client is Mr Saturday night by Leonard skidded. What would the world be like delay if that plane would've gone down, you don't even want to think about that. I tell people all the time to be those what would have happened. Let us get it was blowing everybody out and nugent couldn't follow him. They destroyed the stones net worth what if who let us get? It would've kept going we would have been one red neck bad as country right now. If you don't believe me we this is I'd cast if you really want to see what it's about put on lettuce get live I think it's nineteen seventy something from Oakland. That little. Chubby. Mother comes out saying and those listen my wife from Tennessee I, have all the right to say the stage squirrels, their rednecks I married because I love rednecks when I was a kid. I was such a Houston oiler fan and such a Dallas Cowboy Fan that lived in a closet because all my friends were giant fans I love everything about Tom Landry. Loved everything about the cowboys I love everything about Moses Malone I was a New Yorker that should have been a Texan. I love the University of Texas I love Texas A and M.. When I was a kid. I was all Texas. I watched the Houston oilers games on Monday nights. And they would be. The little white things and shit and go look at those crazy people. Some I'M GONNA be taken Texas. So when I say redneck I mean if the bottom of my heart. You're listening to another classic episode of Steve Austin Show only on podcast one. There's somebody say playoffs NBA NHL are in full swing partners have met online. Have you covered get in and all the action including the new NBA playoff bracket contests? It gives you more chances to win Major League Baseball continues to push through the summer, and there's no shortage of ways to get in an accident. It's been online has hundreds of odds, futures and props. You bet on take advantage of every sport. Remember our casino never closes. It's always air for you to check out and enjoy head to the website today and sign up to receive your bonus on your first deposit bet on land your own land sportsbook experts. Steve Austin show. About la how long you've been here a billion pointy. Tail For Come East. coast. No I came from Seattle. I. Yeah. I left New York. And Eighty three. I with the Aspen Colorado. The some reason I went back to New York got into a heavy was a long eighteen months ended up homeless laughed went back to Colorado storrow over again. Eighty. Eight little time came out. Ninety got into come in ninety one. Ninety forgot married divorced got went to Seattle develop as a comedian. and. Then I got a deal to move to la I never dream la I always just wanted to be if I could. If comedy could have just saved my life from what I was doing, I was good I the car that should doesn't bother matt innate to be read. Shannon needs to be in TV when CBS contact me to do that I was like I'll do it and I moved to Colorado, and then if I was be an extra I was going to be happy I was one of those guys I I didn't. I didn't have. Any. False. Extra. I'll be happy you know and Now I have a daughter. He now live that crazy last time I got no regrets I. Miss It. I. Miss that lobby at the Hotel Santa Fe and there's a lot of places I want to move to. My wife has family I had no family so when I go to Jersey and. I WANNA move somewhere with that daughter. So I have family in Paducah I have family in Bradford. Tennessee. Family in Nashville and then my family, her family's might. In fact, I speak more to her niece is she does my wife got his you inherent like a team I want to be close to them I want to be back in as ironic as many should as I said I to be back on good God fearing Christians. That's a big word my world God fearing Christians that believe in what we believe in you know what else I learned that night when the excellent I watched the exorcist. Mushrooms yet the exorcist lives in two places wasn't Africa part time. And his his his it gets snows. He comes to the other half of the that's why he never floods and the flyers harvey. Weinstein's. All these. Shit people. And no matter whether you live in the Valley Woman Hills you still have contact with these people somewhere another and you're gonna see that not the people you adding Victoria taxes acquaintances but am I your people you know when I go to Be Arizona or Minneapolis the let's say anything bad people. We said if you WANNA get high, he was smoke pot and that's great. I love it. I love to have the hospitality but guess what happens when I go to Lexington Kentucky? When I go to Nashville, that's what happens when I got Austin not even Austin like Houston. People that meet some of the was for a meal. I don't go nine on a ten times. I really don't know you but I want you to think of Italian trying to explain to you. I like the south. I've always liked that thing that thing I don't know what that thing I'm Cuban I'm acumen redneck. We, see the cars in Cuba we use duct tapes that read next we showed that the rednecks how to do duct tape work. Okay. They come to Cuban alert all that shit you know I just WanNa go back there where I don't know I really love Lexin. I Love Louisville. Uber, Restaurants, Louisville you know I. Think Nashville is beautiful, but it's become a little bit la just two little. I could live in outside of Nashville Yeah but talk about getting business or getting used to be in a business as much as you WANNA be ended. But once you leave here, you know right now, your your your local, your local man you can go to any meeting. You want to go to this ad whatever he kinda gets finger on the pulse because you here. Then I'll send you there. Man I guarantee you're GonNa have some separation anxiety. Talking about dude across the street runs liquor store. He always tell he's been here. He lives on a boat Marina. He Goes Steve I can ask him about any kind of whiskey liquor. Wine beer whatever he can tell tell me about an all he knows his shit and he's always telling me. Rushing. Gaze has man me and my friend had been talking about getting that La, for thirty years you know. All your later we're we're still here talking about getting out. So it's one thing to talk about Zona thing to do it. It was I got my exit strategy to. Again you deal with the separation anxiety when he had I think Chapelle those great I see she. Paulo. He lives in Ohio I think that I do I like my own about my man I learned how to finally separate. That's big. That's very big in your life. And I gotTa tell you something. I learned a lot about entertainment. I watched you. In Kevin Nash nobody is of more entertainment professional wrestling when I was a kid I watched a route Tanaka. Mr Fuji Chief Jay Strongbow, they entertain the they made me laugh I learned something from watching you guys. I saw all the different situations were in with Adam and parties. Never saw what you guys say no to an autograph. It will allow pictures back in ninety four. In, two, thousand, four yet. I saw how you guys were. The wrestlers all around entertainers it's an education being arrested. You were prepared for either I guarantee you know you said about acting. You allowed well looking footage from your first refight, but you don't like those either. No. No. But that's a complete different animal and how long were you involved in professional comedy us? I just need to know. Proper lasted. Man. shallot thirteen years, and you learn a lot about people thirteen years you learn that fan to build up your fan base. You OUTTA, love them back. Relationship there. So when I saw you and Kevin Nash that was one of the guy on that set. Of attention to that. and. How you guys dealt with it That's big. Now you gotta go. Hey we think. You go home and you five-year-old's doesn't give. You and when you do put a TV show, you restaurants you. WanNa, Watch that Daddy. It's you learn how to separate your moments. You know. Listen I love comedy. On Saturday night was I go that stage that check is in my pocket we can resolve. Hoping bothered me fish it is over I. Go back in my room while picking him on his own back on my family on Sunday morning. First Flight Out Sunday dinner with your family is the most important thing in a week. I'll give you go out and hang out with Lee Harvey Weinstein eighth the next six days a week within. The week Sunday dinner with your family your children you break bread. That's big man. That's big. Wykeham promise. I didn't have that growing up I'm had a ball we eight but nobody I want that. You're listening to another classic episode of the Steve Austin Show. PODCAST ONE Did you know that right now gyco Alfred an extra fifteen percent credit on car motorcycle and RV policies. That's fifteen percent on top of the money guy could already save you. So what are you waiting for you to make breakfast in bed with Belgian waffles at a French food component as nice as that sounds that's probably never going to happen. But at least there's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh visit GEICO DOT COM to learn more So. What are you going to go down to? Spend more time and Scott in the see and Kentucky area as well. Kentucky I like Kentucky. I like Kentucky Kentucky. In Lexington is rock and roll heaven. Let me smarten up because I know you've been around a world. Shit Dana Bluegrass okay is green. It's green. They got glued I love a best in the world but it don't make sense because I've been I've been at every single hanover wrestling the big towns little towns ain't never seen no blue rash yet. Even I even thought about taxes I thought about. That Victoria or not Corpus ours out too far south I dig it because pro. Back there tomorrow would you move back to Tony at the moment I'm looking at in Nevada? Are you. Inside the Vegas or I'm Lookin' asset arena oh. Okay. I'M GONNA had. You know what I worry about I never thought to worry about things like this joy. Anywhere, Nevada, you're going to be Larry Water and I think Reno maybe that's better. Water rights as far as property but you know when you van down to. The. How many states you're sucking off Colorado River seven eight Vegas. Van Dam water features all the bullshit and all the Golf Courses Man Sometimes I sit there thing man I never thought back when I was a kid taking a shower. Shitload of water taking his big Shar these days I think about stuff like that. And I have family in a Rado area. So that's that's the biggest thing my wife's brother and her nieces are out there I think Vegas is cool shit. But they grano with respect to hunting and stuff like that. You know the tax laws are gun laws are a lot like Texas. So Texas a whistle ranch last year whatever it was. Fifteen hundred miles air fifteen hundred miles back where we're looking over their units four thirty miles there and back. So man that seven hour drive compared to you know damn twenty so it makes. Sense for me logistically to be able to come and do some things in La. But in to get out of La and get over and just bieber leave me alone. That wasn't thought that I had somewhere close still close but not close on the right. I. Just don't know own avid. Dear dear friend I grew up with Vegas. And he always salesman Vegas I liked Vegas my little brothers considered Vegas, but I'm going to Reno agonized back backtrack with then you said during filming of the long short. Still. coked up. Not Data at night. So what was your deal man? I mean I mean 'cause I know you've been. Rubbish podcast whatever you Think. That was the tail end the thirty year addiction. That was a tail end of at that time of my addiction was very cold. Why? Very personal I. Kept it low. I. Bought it from the first four weeks. Fan Dudek. Finally Adam had a party and it went down in mid some girl. She got me a package and I only did two packages and Santa. Fe but once I came up here I was doing the six nights a we know when you talking about baggage grand. Okay, if I had enough for a grandma to you know whatever and I would work too I, would snot till three and then get in the car for thirty drive down that we had to be there fly forty five for the tattoos and the wardrobe, and I would pray to God sleep two or three hours every my sleep apnea machine towards. The end of the long I mean I was just I wanted another two or three years but that was the tail and that was you know addiction last that drug addiction was a law the thirty years but it went from party with six people in the room. They want nobody around right I didn't want nobody the same. So I would go in. At the same hotel fan of fan in order the kids. and cheese macaroni and cheese. It was the size. It was like from Michael Herb Michael Irvin eating at the hotel with no motion on I. Sturm Bean at this Hotel Santa Fe, and we rappleye three and he came in when they would know Sharon armies like you guys eat. Eat, which is and we all ate the kids, macaroni and cheese. So at that time, it was the tail end of it and it was really took me that was two, thousand, four I quit completely November. Eighth of two, thousand, seven. So I just had my tenure in our small Moore's vinyl come to Jesus. May We said Hey man initiate national future I didn't want that Kim girl from the south the five meal floor you don't give was your roommate. You find me on a flow he's just another fat you seen deer on the floor and. You could deal with that shit. She didn't deserve that she would never recover from that. She loved me that much I did not want her to find me on the floor and I was starting to get twitches, mice mine I would get lexical shocks. Like on the top of my spine. And I just know it wasn't GonNa like I got a movie and they told me we know about your problem. And want you to think about. You taking this before and I said they know everybody knows I have to stop and that was a low rehab low meetings though hug says, welp are this is men this is what men do. Men Do men Saddam's say today and ends. And for the two weeks to Xanax at six at night, just wouldn't get the shakes. But. After about a month I was like okay I beat this and now I just another month another month another month I still smoke my reefer if I'm of the plane and you buy A Do is and seven I'll drink one. But that's it. That's as far as it goes. That's it. I'll eat a I. Love. We refer cookies and all that stuff and seeing the devil you know I guess a couple of weeks but off a mushroom. ZANEX X Vikings. All I was never big Boga I. Pain. No Guy Nothing. I to get my surgeries. Now I give them away that my friends that like stuffing for enjoy. where she'll get worked on next working on the movie called the morning on the TV show called the Vita pigeon carry show about the commies store. But between you and I just would say I really fell in love with saying. I love this art that would do right now he a podcast and. Just two guys bullshitting. And I'm trying to. Be. Dead. That's. been on your podcast. Five years. Talking to do to build you a studio day seven. Yup. How's he doing? He's doing good. been many check him out to his podcast and he said he's come over helped me out and he's he's he's phenomenal Gavin I'm trying to get a with Maria Hope, she's better. She's got she's and then I saw that he got married and I try to call them and I don't know if that's his phone anymore I felt really bad because I never we lost contact. Yeah. Just lost contact in fact I might stop by in the studio lately. Ask Your question I don't I don't know I was talking to him probably two weeks ago, hook it up and. Help out. Man Because man. WHO This about the lowest technology podcast. But it's beautiful. It's boom. More show, which one do J. Moore's podcasts. Many's over I wasn't palisades. If he's still there man I rolled in I didn't know. I got business I didn't always going to be like so I can change to be on a date I. Guess There's a dude dot there and easy the Wheaton or he's GonNa Blowers. Is What's Today joys Friday Friday Friday normally always mother right here get the yard on on Wednesday but for day just because Joey Coco Diaz ds comes over his dues got to do is you don't Ronnie System I got a little twelve pound dog barks his head office wagon all the doors shut out Katie and come over here. I'm trying to this podcast ain't never gonNA win an NPR war quality, sound quality podcast hosts quality. When Shit but when Joey Coco Diaz Shows used to notes on during your second. Twice, robotics in here. His mother got a bus lawn equipment with the supercharge around it completely disrespected my guest here today I want to ask you something. You said that when you on the longest yard you were drinking a lot. Really. Get me that was that was my game it was a club. Was You Kevin the coach in the quarterback coach. And I'll never forget. If you remember they us at the hotel. And then we go on the set and they cook that the Good Guy Tony Whatever I would cook for you. Again, delete forty-five exit day or something like that are bold eggs a day. So. I would eat and then go on the set to eat again and again it water pounds. I'll never forget one morning waking up and there was. A lounge for the kitchen first off. Okay. So the the flute guy went missing. So me picked them up and asked him not to come back. You. Remember the ball was a three seat bar. Three seats at the barn on TV, and then you guys sit around one morning I woke up this you guys are just. Because I have to say no exaggeration. Sixty empty bottles empty labels ripped off. People drinking labels out it would just all at Michael. Savage. and. Then I heard a rumor that somebody actually broke into the night booze. Right, and that was crazy. That these. Crazy. And then one night about a weekly to not how might. Like to say it was either you know Kevin Nash and they said, Hey, Jim us in Europe and I'm like, what are you talking about like will by all the boozing Yemeni boy you said, you don't drink routing not take it. and. It was like two hundred dollars worth of candy to allow the took every little clamp play model booze liquor sales were up at Santa. Fe. Guys every night. Now, we would I didn't go out man. Man I go. All. I gotTA DO is walk to my room I get behind the wheel nothing. Go Down and do my thang national show. We hang out and we just get ripped and we can go the gym in the morning after work the next day, and then hit the barn to start over again it just. It was just this cycle I remember when we came away we started off of Santa Fe. Then we came to La and I gotta say a criminal home departments. Guys on this. Right over in the marina and also knew they rented us all like Ford Explorer and I was a vehicle we drive it all around Elliott back and forth the set I was paying open to world. Jim. Were I just use it? I just introduced to my wife while ago we started and I met her and I didn't have my game because auditioned for that part. You know I had this goatee and like I said I made me shave off regulation style mustache like a prison guard have. So I'm trying to throw my rap down my wife and GM when I ain't got my. If I take his goatee off managers lost mo-jo. So now, I gotTA I. GOTTA RE UP MY game here. We just established some coming up to Milwaukee would half a game you know what I'm saying my toughness was gone nonetheless it works but we're still fourteen years later, but we'd go out to eat Mexican food is my favorite food to eat and so we go eat at a Mexican food restaurant or something like that. I had so much. Red Bull Canes water bottles, beer cans, my car I, swear to God Joe You could fill up two or three hefty bags at all the empty canes. It was in my damn truck and when I when I met my wife I, I was carrying my bills around in a hefty trash bag. That's the kind of caveman life I was living and she'd get in and my wife taught. Special Education. For Twenty five years she's. Got Two degrees. She's very smart cool bad ass independence chick, and all of a sudden she gets it with my sorry ass and all this shit blown rant car and I'm thinking man's smart. She is. I can't believe she's still hanging around because she wasn't even wrestling fan one for special ED students brought a WWF calendar to the classroom and hung up and she flip the page and all of sudden they're IOM, my buddy ran. Jim World. Office and they were friends had been friends for ten years and she and me and Dan we're training partners and she goes up Dan is that that Stone Cold Steve Austin guy and then dances well yeah it is and she said to him, what do you think he'd come read to my kids. Go ask. That's how we started talking. I ended up taking a book reading tour Damn Kids. Or teens letter would have is Lark I can't believe she's stuck with me. She missed more than that. Now we all change. Balance You didn't get old you got better. Enjoy yeah we have Russian music. Wise drop it heavy southern band scattered another tone or sound mommy hatch and stuff like. Shit. YOU COMING OUT OF A. Jersey New York area. How you listen to that. was somebody else not molly molly hatchet. To See right, Marino Mahogany rush. Ted nugent Arrowsmith and somebody else. and. They will to those like southern twist fans. And then I got into molly hatchet. But then I, heard Gimme back my bullets might thing wasn't free bird my thing was none of those I went and bought me back my bullets right and I was in Hook I was just hoped my mom was Cuban. is she always played johnny cash. I don't know why I don't know why she died before I could ask. But she always played johnny cash. In the heat of my drug game when I was going to New York concerts New York. City, contract I'm talking about you know the Ramones, the pretenders. Van Halen Rod Stewart. Nobody showed up more pussy nobody listen to me. Nobody showed up with more pussy. Candy ride his I'd never seen someone you could smell vagina in the Kenny Rogers concert and I might this mother designed for something all these long head dudes they get these little pretty young little checks during the white chicks. But this Kenny Rogers had every agent net yet eighty women he had eight-year-old Rest that they got rethought like the twenties the tinsel made out of wood like those type of. Women. Of every age I never seen anything and I love Kenny. Rogers. Park I. Love Him. The Vision, the fit. What's what's the? He was with someone before he went solo and that's I. got to listen to my mother's Baugh his voice Edwin Kenny. Rogers. Come into New York I think I went to see him in Jersey hyneman walking in Russia only beautiful women in my life. Beautiful just just country beautiful women. I was like I to hang out with these Jake's this is my world. So even now what's the chick that foul in Tennessee? I'll cut Carrie underwood. Better, looking women than anaerobic like all those countries, singer girls are just gorgeous. The other one, the one that talk McGraw's. Yeah thank you faith hill come on. You can't deal with that. Are you in the country? Of the new stuff now, I think it's gone a little bit too pretty boyish for me and when I watched the country music awards a little upset I wanna see hats I wanna see sweatband on that if I see a little. Spain. Under the shirt that you came from the farm before you play managing I, imagine I want shake hands on. Well, if you'll dirt on hands shake somebody's Anson Texas and they haven't watched the week and you're like Oh my God. But that's what I want to the the new country look I love Wesley Huila Walker I become friends. And family on the road I. Think he's phenomenal I I love what? He's doing a little bit on the dirty side. But when you see snoop dogg second country music, you got the mess that did you see that video now slow go up in a black Bob yet his hip rated singing. We La- Walker Gatesville, kindle out of my house that whole country amies got singing. It were for words loop dog. You'll get your message across I. GotTa. Check. Out. One thing I want to ask you about four right off in the sunset no matter how long it lasts. It lasts but bet peeves sings body you here in the city. And I'm going to go ahead and start off. Is this mother blower out here nobody in this neighbor Joey has a big yard. You seen my setup ain't a big yard and this guy he worked on my house, he's working on somebody else but but nobody has a big yard for the blower still be blowing since the last time I started talking about this shit. So the noise in here in La norm not trying. To podcast Ernest afternoon on Wednesday because all the blowers and his mother stops instances. He started fifteen minutes ago and another thing that really chaps my ass is already cover debt and what you do jump in here next is there's little things I call birds it's I call it a scooter on a stick it's electric. You got the little hand give that was driving before. Yeah. Yeah I just talked about those things scooter on a stick I. Guess you charge that run all that Christie. It's one of the greatest inventions I've ever seen. Mothers brought up and down the sidewalk and like if I walk outside my gate right there I get blindsided by one of these kids riding a damn motorcycle a little scooter on a stick and all of a sudden a global on national treasury gets sent to the hospital with a broken leg or worse because some kid hit him on a scooter on a stick has been charged with my Christie I. got a problem with that lady was over there the other day she's ride things down the road she's overseas. She's riding right down the middle of the road. He's got about a top speed of sixteen miles an hour all the cars going around because it's a thirty five mile zone right? Because she's too stupid right on edge the road or in a bicycle lane and she didn't got a helmet on. Finally. Here's a red light. There's lady parked at the red light because there's a red light well. On a stick rear ends or ends up owner backtrack the lady put your car gets out on Gadio Okay and Yom. Okay. She says, well, you want me to call the cops call amulets anything she goes no she gets screwed stick and rides off well should under some dams that car in front of her I mean I don't know what kind of damage you know A. Little hundred pound gimmick can do to the back of a carbon. Nonetheless, you know if somebody to talk shoot up, you pull up in a shiny new Rad or nice ride whatever somebody rear ends you you just going to let them get off Scot-free I think you've got to have a license where a helmet or have some insurance begin to an accident that really shapes my. Does anything in La Bobby everything. I. I have thousands, apples. People lingers on La. They don't want to do. They don't want. Do they just don't WanNa do why Joey Wackos you're too involved in to. Absorb though no blinkers You ever been driving down the street cars coming in cars going but this guy was has its on and he's a loading his fat grandmother somebody else. There's a parking spot. That's open right? But they won't do it. You know I, live close to I live in the valley. So again, we have to go to Hollywood how many times have you hit Hollywood? There's no traffic emotion you had a black is a ton of traffic and it's because a cop is part this way with his ass sticking out and he's talking to some homeless drunk Guy I'm actually opened my window and said, Hey, come on what the you they look at you like you know you did something wrong now, pull the car over you a cop you know that it's the Monday at night you got the car sideways Thou- I. Mean It never ends here the. Selfishness it's very selfish. And it runs for made Z.. That thing with the school limitation, they won't stop the people get hit. That's what you need them. When I see, you know you will. have to walk around thinking to yourself. You can't this stupid. Exactly. You said some pretty brilliant you said is seagrams. This invention ever made, which means within a month of to Man Stone Cold Steve Austin is going to pick up a school, but I guarantee you, he ain't GonNa be on Washington Boulevard. Around here with it who put a helmet on you might even put on as we're getting to that age insurance elbow pads. But if you take your school now Washington Boulevard by. This Day and age got what's comedy much you. You're taking life in your hands you. Here man I got a Bicycle Beach Cruiser wife rundown here we take a Call the sack which underground with come back. I'm scared to death to bike lane and I'm running in the same direction as the traffic because these idiots no right against the grain is why run against the grain they don't want anybody hit him from behind but still you know when you're trying to left hand turn and I'll said you got a bicycle gone wrong way and you cut them off they start screaming at you like as your fault and it's not your fault Sarah, falstaff because we're going. The wrong way on her own sidewalk. So yeah, I won't even rhyme a little beach cruise around because I'm freedom get cremated by Carbon Joey. I. Had a West Coast Shop. One time I lived in Malibu took them two years to build this Mitch right finally, two years later van comes in my house, they drop it off as beautiful as red. Lane has got big. On it long as sports no speedometer tail light that big I get on it started up I'd go down. Pacific Coast Highway Three Mile do you chart a big Asu term because at long extended? Latte ass exhaust, Tower Macho Horsepower About Hills your. The driveway. My wife says, how is it? Said for sale and she goes what do you mean I said, Kristen I said a lot of ships go have me but one thing ain't going to happen to me is getting smoked on a pch by someone in a car. So I just I know my shit. For you, I guess oh I got dirt bike got a little. Dirt bike and big of a truck at all in it and riding property picking doing that that's why also WanNa move and get some property. I was a bike guy grown. I, I started with A. Honda acceler seventy five and I had the eighty Yamaha than the one twenty, five, A. One, seventy five and I was about to get to fifty exiles Zouqi and I looked and I was racing this was way before melons the stadium that was wide open and I was down there being my Louis Thallium mafia buddies good with stolen motorcycle we were still the motorcycles Fifties yeah. Are Akanik Honda, mini trail, re speed though clutch. You're right. They steal them off the trains and then that's how we all started. Right Motorcycles I. Look Back I look hit got a concussion. Calming at home my mother's shoulder by shoulder it. Was A. No. For Sale Signs of God and I haven't ridden a motorcycle sense on thinking about buying a one twenty five and just starting up again a little bit doing you go a little bit bigger than I. GotTa, go to fifty number. I have ridden a bike in thirty five can use on whatever what's going to happen. I have small. I was just in New York City of the day and we're on away from the building we were at the Barclay Center Brooklyn. It was the twentieth anniversary of raw so we're getting going to. Airport Peterborough. And best man. There's I mean there's Mental Angelina and. I broke bones in my back in that bill. Got Dropped on my head almost paralyzing. A lot of memories from that bill, and then I was just I that was good. Bill. Russell Anyway. You know the guard was the shit though not guarded. But There in East Middle East Rutherford New Jersey. The mental arena was really really cool. So you was there back in the day before they built that shit up in yellows ride motorcycles I say you went from the Barclay Center. Did you go on the joys wise bridge or the Lincoln? Tunnel. Dude. Dude was driving I was in the back. So whatever we did. Lincoln tunnel. Uses Sopranos. He comes out only. As Lincoln up. All right that's well as you come round. Ugo Strait's vocal if you go up around the ranch unions to in new. It, it's the second biggest Cuban population in the country. So East Rutherford was locked bargain than they as they they built the meadowlands, they call ravishes cost guy named Joey Coco. Diaz, D. is comes through seventeen chemistry was a dare. Let along this yard somehow got into Linda Blair's Dabbler self name Crucifix head spin around spend pea soup all people jaws a bunch of bullshit and which begins about a Shard. Leonard Skinner. Community college filming along she our sunburnt head and you was coked up in time. Ten years now, Grach. Hey. So how do people find your podcast and listen to that and what kind of do you got coming up next where you go on? They can find the PODCASTS OF I. Also. Have Denver next week sold out. Of Alabama and I'M GONNA go check out bill of see what? I've got money coming down I got some friends indicator decatur they're gonNA come by and we'll take a look at some houses lifts improper meticulous allow Obama too. So you serious about this? Yeah. We'll take a look at all place the Birmingham I've been the Birmingham Birmingham slow to bake. I want community right be part of a community yet so. That's a Joey Dee is dot net. It was a Pleasure Hotel California you can check, but you can never leave. We'll see Joey S. ends up doing that. I love you. Thank you. It was a pleasure seeing. The offense. Has. Show. Thank you for joining us for another classic episode or the Steve Austin Show. 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#104 David Patterson: Computer Architecture and Data Storage
"The following is a conversation with David Paterson Touring, award winner, and professor of computer science at Berkeley. He's known for pioneering contributions to risk processor architecture. He's ninety nine percent of new chips today and for Co creating rates storage. The impact that these two lines of research and development have had an our world is immeasurable. He's also one of the great educators of computer science in the world. His book with John Hennessy is how I learned about and was humbled by the inner workings of machines at the lowest level. Quick summary of the ads to sponsors the Jordan harbinger show and cash APP. Considered supporting the podcast by going to Jordan harbinger dot com slash LEX and downloading cash APP and using code lex podcast. Click on the links by the stuff. It's the best way to support this podcast and in general journey I'm on my research start up. 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So given that history cryptocurrency still very much in its early days development, but it's still aiming to and just redefine the nature of money. So. Again, if you get cash out from the APP store Google play and use the code LEX podcast, you get ten dollars in cash will also donate ten dollars to i. an organization that is helping to advance robotics stem education for young people around the world. And now here's my conversation with David Paterson. Let's start with the big historical question how have computers changing the best fifty years at both the fundamental architecture level and in general in Your Eyes while. The biggest thing that happened was the invention of the microprocessor. So computers that used to fill up several rooms could fit inside your cell phone. And not only an had only get smaller they got a lot faster. So they're million times faster than they were a fifty years ago and they're much cheaper and the ubiquitous. You know. Seven point eight billion people on this planet probably half of them have cell phones but now just remarkable. As probably more microprocessors than there are people sure. I. Don't know what the ratio is but I'm sure it's above one. maybe it's ten to one or some number like that. What is a microprocessor? So, await to say what microprocessors tell you what's inside a computer? So computer forever has classically had five pieces. There's input output, which Kinda naturally as you'd expect is. Input like speech typing being output is displays. There's a memory and like the name sounds it. It remembers things. So it's integrated circuits whose job is you put information in and when you ask for it comes back out that's memory. And the third part is the processor where the team microprocessor comes from, and that has to pieces. As well, and that is the control which is kind of the brain. Of the processor in the the what's called the arithmetic unit kind of the Bra on the computer. So if you think of the as a human body, the Arithmetic Unit, the thing that does the number crunching is the is the body and the controls, the brain five pieces input up memory. Arithmetic Unit and control are have been in computers since the very don in the last two are considered the processor. So microprocessors simply means a process of the fits microchip and that was invented about you know four years ago. Was the first microprocessor. It's interesting that you refer to the arithmetic unit as the like he connected to the the body and the controllers, the brain so I guess. I never thought of it though the the next way to think of because most of the actions, the microprocessor. Does in terms of. Literally, sort of computation the microprocessor does computation it processes information, and most of the thing it does is. Basically arithmetic operations. What are the operations by the way? It's a lot like a calculator. You know. So there are at instructions, subtract instructions, multiply, and divide in kind of the brilliance of the invention of the of the Mike of the computer or the processor. Is that it performs very trivial operations, but it just performs billions of. Per Second and what we're capable of doing is writing software that can take these very trivial instructions and have them create tasks that can do things better than human beings can do today. Just looking back through your career. Did you anticipate the kind of how good we would be able to get at doing these small basic? The? How many surprises along the way we kinda set back and said, wow, that hadn't expected to go this fastest. Good. Well, the the fundamental driving force is Gordon Moore's law which was named after Gordon Moore who's a Berkeley alumnus? And, he made this observation very early in what are called semiconductors in semiconductors ideas. You can build these very simple switches and you can put them on these microchips and he made his observation over fifty years ago he looked at a few years and said, I think what's going to happen the number of these little switches called transistors is going to double every year for the next decade and he said this nineteen, sixty, five in a nineteen, seventy, five he said well. Maybe it's going to double every two years and that would other people since named that Moore's law guided the industry. And when Gordon Moore made that prediction he. wrote a paper back in I think in the in the seventies and said, not only this is going to happen. He wrote what would be implications of that and in this article from nineteen sixty, five, he he shows ideas like computers being cars and computers being in something that you would buy in the grocery store and stuff like that. So he kind of not only called his shot, he called the implications of it. So if you were in. In the computing field, and if you believed Moore's prediction, he kind of said what the what would be happening in the future. So so it's not kind of It's at one sense. This is what was predicted and you could imagine it was easy to believe that Moore's law was going to continue in. So this would be the implications. on the other side, there are these shocking events in your life like I remember driving in marine across the base in San Francisco and seeing a board at a local civic center and had a url on it. And it was like for all for all for the people at the time these are else and that's the you know www select stuff with the HDP. People thought it was look look like alien. A. Writing Right they see these advertisements and commercials or bulletin boards and had this alien writing on it. So for the lay people, it's like what the Hell is going on here and for those people and Industry. Oh. My God. This stuff is getting so popular, it's actually leaking out of our nerdy world into the real world so that I mean there is events like that I think another one was I member with the in the early days of the personal computer when we started seeing advertisements in magazines for personal computers like it's so popular that made the newspapers. So at one hands, you know Gordon Moore predicted it and you kind of expected it to happen. But when it really hit and he saw affecting society, it was a it was a Shocking So, maybe a taking a step back and looking both the engineering and philosophical perspective would. Would he see the layers of distraction in the computer? Do you see a computer is a a a set of layers of abstractions? Yeah. I think that's one of the things that the computer. Science. Fundamentals is the these things are really complicated in the way we cope with. A complicated software, uncomplicated hardwares, these layers abstraction, and that simply means that. Re you know suspend disbelief and pretend that the only thing you know is that layer and you don't know anything about the layer below it, and that's the way we can make very complicated things and. Probably it started with hardware. That's the way it was done, but it's been proven extremely useful and you know I would say in a modern computer today, there might be ten twenty layers of abstraction and they're all trying to kind of enforce. This contract is all you know is this interface there's a set of Commands that you can are allowed to use, and you stick to those commands that we will faithfully execute that, and it's like peeling the layers of London a onion you get down there's a new set of layers and so forth. So for. people who want to study computer science. The exciting part about it is you can keep peeling those layers. You take your first course in you might learn to program in Python, and then you can take a follow on course and you can get it down to a lower level language like C in you know you. Can if you want to, you can start getting into the hardware layers and you keep getting down all the way to that transistor that I talked about that Gordon Moore predicted, and you can understand all those layers all the way up to the highest level application software. So it's it's a very Kind of magnetic field If you're interested, you can go into any depth and keep going in particular what's happening right now or it's happened in software last twenty years. Recently in hardware, there's getting to be open source versions of all of these things. So at open source means is what the engineer the programmer designs. It's not secret the belonging to accompany it's up there on the world wide. Web. So, you can see it. So you can look at for lots of pieces of software that you use. You can see exactly what the program does you want to get involved that used to stop at the hardware recently has been an efforts to make a open source hardware in those interfaces open. So you can see that. So instead of before, he had to stop at the hardware, you can now start going. Layer by layer below that and see what's inside there. So it's it's a remarkable time that for the interested individual can really see in great depth. What's really going on in the computers that power everything. That we see around us. Are you thinking also when you say open source at the hardware level? Is this going to the? Design Architecture instruction set. Or is it going to literally? The The you know the manufacturer of the. Of, the actual hardware of the actual chips whether that's specialized a particular domain or the general. Also, let's talk about that a little bit. So when you get down to the bottom layer of. Software. The way software talks to hardware is in a vocabulary and what we call that vocabulary be called that. The words of that were called instructions. In the technical term for the vocabulary is instruction set. So those instructions are likely talked about earlier, that can be instructions like add subtract, multiply divide. There's instructions to put data into memory. Which is called a store instruction and to get data back, which is called a load instructions and those simple instructions go back to the very dawn computing in in in nineteen fifty commercial commercial computer had these instructions. So that's the instruction set that we're talking about. So up until I'd say ten years ago these instruction sets are all proprietary. So a very popular one is owned by Intel the one that's in the cloud, and in all the PC's in the World Intel owns that instruction set it's referred to as the x eighty six. There have been a sequence of ones that the first number was called eighty, eighty six, and since then there's been a lot of numbers but they all in eighty six. So there's A. Kind of family of instruction sets and that's proprietary that's proprietary. The other one of that's very popular is from arm that kind of powers, all the all the cell phones in the world, all the ipads in the world and a lot of things that are so called Internet things, devices arm, and that one is also proprietary arm will license it to people for fee, but they own that. So the idea that get started at Berkeley kind of unintentionally ten years ago is A. In early in my career, re pioneered away to do of these vocabulary instruction sets. That was very controversial at the time. At the time in the nineteen eighties conventional wisdom was these. vocabularies instruction says should have you know powerful instructions. So polly, Slavic kind of words you can think of that. and. And so instead of just add subtract multiply, they would have polynomial vied or sort a list in the hope was of those powerful vocabularies that make it easier for software. So, we thought that didn't make sense for microprocessors, service people at Berkeley and Stanford Ibm who argued the opposite and we will be called. That was a reduced instruction set computer in the abbreviation. Typical computer people we use provision pronouncing it. So risk was. So we said for microprocessors, which with Gordon's more is changing really fast. We think it's better to have a pretty simple set of instructions reduce set directions. that would be a better way to build microprocessors sister going to be changing. So Fast Dude Moore's law, and then we'll just use standard software to cover the US generate more though simple instructions and one of the pieces of software that it's an software stack going between these layers of abstractions it's called the compiler in it's basically translates it's a translator between levels we said the translator will handle it. So the technical question was. well, since they're these reduced instructions, you have to execute more of them. Yeah. That's right. But maybe execute them pastor. Yeah. That's right there simpler. So they go faster but you have to do more of them. So what's what's that trade off look like? An ended up that we ended up executing may be fifty percent more instructions, maybe a third more instructions, but they ran four times faster. So so this risk controversial risk ideas proved to be maybe factor three or four better I love that this idea was controversial in almost kind of like a rebellious. So that's in the context of what was more. Conventional is the complex instruction set computing. So how'd you pronounce that? SISK SISK, at risk I assist in the and believe it or not the sounds of very very You know who cares about this it was it was violently debated at several conferences like what's the brakeman ago is is people thought risk was you know was a de evolution we're we're GONNA make software worse by making the instructions simpler and fierce debates of at several conferences in the nineteen eighty s, and then later in the eighties kind of settled to these benefits, it's not completely to me why risk has for the most part one So happen yet. Yeah. It may be a concern saved bunch of dumb things that could lay the land for further commentary. So to me, and this is a this is kind of interesting thing if you look at C. Plus possible to see. With modern compilers, you really could write faster code with C. Plus plus so relying the compiler to reduce your complicated code into something simple and fast to me comparing risk war maybe this is a dumb question but why is it that focusing the definition the designing instruction on very few simple instructions In the long run, provide faster execution versus. Coming up with you said, a ton of complicated instructions than over time. You know years maybe decades you come up with compilers can reduce those into simple instructions for you. Yes. Let's try and split that into two pieces. So. If the compiler can do that for you if the pilot can take a complicated program. In Produce Simpler instructions. then the programmer doesn't care right programmer me I don't care how how fast is the computer musing how much does it cost, and so what we what happened kind of in the software industry? Is Right around before the nineteen eighties critical pieces of software were still written not in languages like C Or C plus they were written in what's called Assembly language were there's kind of humans writing exactly at the trump since at the level than the computer understands. So they were writing, add subtract multiply. Instructions is very tedious, but the belief was to write this lowest level of software that. That people use which are called operating systems they had to be written in assembly language because these high level languages were just too inefficient. They were too slow or the the programs would be too big. So that changed with a famous operating system called UNIX, which is kind of the the grandfather of all the operating systems today. So UNIX demonstrated that you could write a something as complicated as an operating system in a language like C. so once that was true them that meant we could hide the instruction set from the programmer and so that meant, then it didn't really matter the programmer didn't have to write lots of these simple instructions that was up to the compiler. So that was part of our arguments for risk is if you're riding assembly languages, maybe a better case for sisk instructions. But if the compiler can do that, it's GonNa be You know that's done. Once the computer translates at once and then every time you run the program, it runs at this this potentially simpler instructions. And so that that was the debate right is because people would acknowledged that the simpler instructions could lead to a fast computer. You can think of models lobby constructions you could say them you know if you think of reading, you probably read them faster say them faster than long instructions. The same thing that analogy works pretty well for hardware. and. As long as you didn't have to read a lot more of those instructions you could win. So that's that's kind of that's the basic idea for. But it's interesting that the in that discussion of UNIX and see that there's only one step of levels of abstraction from the code. That's really the closest to the machine to the code that's written by human. It's at least to me again perhaps, Saddam Intuition, but it feels like there might have been more layers sort of different kinds of humans stacked of each other So what's true and not true about what you said Is. Several of the layers of software. Like. So the if Two layers would be supposed to be just talked about two layers that'd be the operating system like you get from from Microsoft or from apple like IOS or the Windows operating. System. And let's say applications that run on top of it like. Or Excel. So Both the operating system could be written C. And the application could be written in C.. So you could construct those two layers and the applications absolutely do call upon the operating system in the change was that both of them can be written in higher level languages. So it's one step of translation, but you can still build many layers of abstraction of software on top of that, and that's how out things are done today so. Still today many of the layers that you'll. You'll eat deal with you may deal with the buggers you may deal with Lincoln. There's libraries many of those today will be written. In C. Plus plus say even though that language is a pretty ancient in even the python interpreters probably written in C or C plus plus. So lots of layers there are probably written in these Some. old-fashioned efficient languages that. Still take one step to produce These instructions produce risk instructions, but they're composed each layer of software. Invokes one another through these interfaces and you can get. Ten layers of soft that way. So. In general, the risk was developed here birthday it was kind of the. Places the these radicals that advocated for this against the rest of the community were IBM, Berkeley and Stanford. You're one of these radicals and. How radical did you feel? How confident did you feel how? Doubtful where you that risk might be the right approach because it made you can also into it that is Kinda sticking step back into simplicity not over into simplicity. No, it was easy to make Yeah. It was easy. Make the argument against it well. This was my colleague John Hennessy at Stanford night. We were both assistant professors and for me I, I just believed in the power of our ideas my thought but we re say made sense Moore's laws GonNa, move fast the other thing that I didn't mention is one of the surprises of these complex instruction sets. You could certainly write these complex instructions if the programmers writing them themselves, it turned out to be kind of difficult for the compiler to generate those complex instructions. Kind of ironically, you'd have to find the right circumstances that. Just exactly fit this complex instruction. It was actually easier for the compiler to generate these simple instructions so. Not only did these complex instructions make the hard were more difficult to build often the compiler wouldn't even use them, and so it it's harder to build the compiler doesn't use them that much the simple instructions go better with Moore's law the you know the number of transistors is done every every two years. So we're going to have you know the you want to reduce the time to design the microprocessor that may be more important than number instructions. So I think we believed in the That, we were right that this was the best idea. Then the question became in these debates. Well, yeah. That's a good technical idea. But in the business world is doesn't matter. There's other things that matter it's like arguing that if there's a standard with the railroad tracks and you've come up with a better with, but the whole world is covered railroad tracks. So you'll. Your ideas have no chance of success. Commercial. Success it was technically right but commercially, it'll be insignificant. There's IT's Kinda sad that this world, the history of human civilization is full of good ideas that lost because somebody else came along I with the worst idea and it's good debt in the computing world at least some of these while you could I mean. There's probably still sick people that say Still are. And what happened was, what was interesting Intel a bunch of the. companies, with SISK instructions vocabulary they gave up a but not intel, but Intel did to its credit because Intel's. Vocabulary was in in the personal computer, and so that was a very valuable vocabulary because the way we distribute software is in those actual instructions. It's in the instructions of that instruction said so they then you don't get that source code what the programmers wrote you get after it's been translated into the lowest level. That's if you were to get a floppy disk or Dallas software, it's in the instructions that instruction set. So the x eighty six instruction set was very valuable. So what Intel did cleverly. In amazingly is they had their chips in hardware do translation stuff. They would take these complex instructions and translate them into essentially in risk instructions in hardware on the fly you know at at at gigahertz clock speeds, and then any good idea that people had they could use and they could still be compatible with this with this really valuable P. Softwares, software base, and which also had very high volumes hundred million personal computers per year. So eat. Architecture in the business world was actually one. In in in this era. So just going back to the. The time, of designing risk. When you design instruction set architecture do you think like a programmer? Do you think like a microprocessor engineer? Do you think like a? Artist. Philosopher. Do you think in software and hardware I mean is it art science? Yeah I'd say. I think designing a good instruction set as an art and I think you're trying to balance. the the simplicity and speed of execution with how well easier will be for compilers to use it. Right. You're trying to create instruction set that everything in there can be used by compilers. There's not things that are missing that'll make it difficult for the program to run they run efficiently, but you want it to be easy to build as well. So it's that kind of. So you're thinking I'd say you thinking hardware trying to find a hard spur software compromise that will work will and and it's You know it's it's a matter of taste, right? It's it's kind of fun to build instruction sets. It's not that hard to balloon instruction set but to build one catches on and people use you, you have to be you know a fortunate to be the right place in the right time or have a design that people really like are using metrics says, is it Quantifiable because you kind of have anticipated kind programs that people right yet ahead of time. So is that can you use numbers can use metrics? Can you quantify something ahead of time or is this again? That's the hard part where you're kind of. A big a big change kind of what happened. I think from Hennessy season might. In the nineteen eighties what happened was going from kind of really You know taste in hunches to quantifiable in in fact, he and I wrote a textbook at the end of the nineteen eighties called computer architecture quantitative approach I. Heard that. And it's it's the thing. It had a pretty big impact in the field because we went from. Textbooks kind of listed. So here's what this computer does. Here's the pros and cons, and here's what this computer doesn't pros and cons to something where there were formulas in equations where you could measure things. So specifically for instruction sets what? We do in some other fields do is we agree upon a set of programs which we call benchmarks. And a suite of programs, and then you develop both the hardware and the compiler, and you get numbers on how well. Your your computer does given its instruction set in how well you implemented it in your microprocessor in how good you compilers are. In computer architecture we using. Professors terms we grade on a curve rather than great an absolute scale. So when you say, you know this, these programs ran this fast. That's kind of interesting. But how do you know it's better while you compare it to other computers of the same time the best way we know how to make turned into kind of more science and experimental and quantitative is to compare yourself to other computers of the same era that have the same access to the same kind of technology on commonly agreed benchmark programs. So. Maybe. Toss up two possible directions we can go one is what are the different trade offs in designing architectures we've been talking about this risk, but may be a little bit more detail in terms of specific features that you were thinking about and the other side is what are the metrics that you're thinking about when looking at these trade offs Let's talk about the metric so. During these debates, we actually had kind of a hard time explaining convincing people, the ideas, and partly we didn't have a a formula to explain it in a few years into it. We hit upon the formula that helped explain what was going on and I think we can do this seal how it works orally so. The is if I can do a formula orally see. So the so fundamentally the way you measure performance is how long does it take a program to run? program. If you have ten programs in typically these benchmarks were sweet 'cause you WanNa have ten programs. So they could represents lots of different applications. So for these ten programs, how long did take you run when now when you try to explain why it took so long you could factor your how long it takes a programs run into three factors. One of the first one is how many instructions did it take to execute? So that's that's the what we've been talking about instructional. Kimmy how many did it take? All Right? The next question is, how long did each instruction take to run on average? So you'd multiply the number instructions times how long it took run. And time. Okay. So that's Banal. Let's look at this. A metric hammer take the instructions run while turns out. The way we build computers today is they all have a clock and you've seen this when you if you buy microprocessor, it'll say three point one gigahertz or two point five Gigahertz Mawr? GIGAHERTZ. Is Good while with that is is the speed of the clock. So two point, five Gigahertz to be four billion of instruction or for nanoseconds. So that's the clock cycle time. But there's another factor which is what's the average number of clock cycles that takes per instructions. So it's number of instructions average number of clock cycles in the clock cycle time. So in these risks, cysts, debates, we would. They would concentrate on but risk next needs to take more instructions and we'd argue maybe the clock cycles faster. But what the real big difference was was the number of clock cycles per instruction truck as a what about the mess of the beautiful mess parallelism in the whole picture parallelism, which has to do with say how many structures could execute in parallel and things like that you can think. Of that as affecting the clock cycles per instruction because the average clock cycles per instruction. So when you're running a program, if if it took a hundred billion instructions and at on average, it took two clock cycles per instruction and they were nanoseconds you can multiply that out see how long it took to run and all kinds of tricks to try and reduce the number of clock cycles per instruction. but it turned out that the way they do these complex instructions is they would actually build what we call an interpreter in simpler, very simple harbor interpreter, but it turned out for the SISK instructions. If you had to use one of those interpreters, it would be like ten clock cycles per instruction where the risk instructions could be too. So there'd be this factor of five advantage in clock cycles per instruction we have to execute say twenty five or fifty percent more instructions. So that's where the wind would come, and then you could make an argument whether the clock cycle times are the same or not but. Pointing out that we divide. The benchmark results time per program into three factors in the biggest difference in risk insists was the clock cycles per year, execute a few more instructions but the clock cycles per instruction is much less and that was what this debate once we made that argument then people to okay I get it, and so we went from It was outrageously controversial in Nineteen eighty-two that maybe probably by Nineteen eighty-four. So people said, oh. Yeah. Technically they've got a good argument what are the instructions in the risk instruction set just to get intuition? Okay. Nineteen ninety five I was asked scientific to predict the future of what microprocessors future. So I in that I'd seen these predictions and I usually people something outrageous just to be entertaining, and so my prediction for twenty twenty was you know things are going to be pretty much they're gonNA look very familiar to what they are in they are in. If you read the article, you know the things I said are pretty much through the instructions that they've been around forever kind of the same and that's the outrageous prediction actually. Yeah. Given how fast computers have been Moore's law was going to go on. We thought for twenty five more years You know who knows but kind of surprising thing in fact you know Hennessy and I. Won The ACM am touring award for both the risk instruction set contributions for the textbook I mentioned but you know we are surprised that here we are. Thirty five. Forty years later after we did our work. In. The the conventional wisdom of the best way to instruction sets. Is. Still, those risk instruction sets that looked very similar to what we look like we did in the nineteen eighties. So those surprisingly, there hasn't been some. Radical new idea even though we have, you know a million times as many transistors as we had a back then. but what are the basic constructions in? How did it change over the years? So we're talking about addition subtraction these the. Pacific. So the the to all the things that are in a calculator you are in a computer. So any of the buttons on the calculator in the crater so the So. If there's a memory function key and like I said, those are turns into putting something in memories call the store, bring something Mexico load it just as a quick tangent, we say memory. What is memory mean? y told you the five pieces of a computer in if if you remember in a calculator, there's a memory key. So you WanNa, have intermediate calculation and bring it back later. So you'd hit the Memory Plus Ski plus maybe put that into memory and then you hit an are like. Action and it bring it back on the display. So you don't have to type. You don't have to write it down, bring it back again. So that's exactly what memory is. You can put things into it as temporary storage and bring it back when you need later. So that's memory and loads and stores, but the big thing, the difference between a computer in a calculator is that the computer can make decisions in in amazingly decisions are as simple is. Is this value less than zero or is this value bigger than that value? So there's endows instructions which are called Conditional Branch instructions is what give computers all its power if you were in the early days of computing before what's called the general purpose microprocessor people would write these instructions kind of in hardware? And but it couldn't make decisions. It would just it would do the same thing over and over again. with the power of having branch instructions, they can look at things and make decisions automatically and it can make these decisions. You know billions of times per second and amazingly enough we can get you know thanks to advances machine learning. We can create programs that can do something smarter than human beings can do, but you go down that very basic level. It's the instructions are the keys on the calculator plus the ability to make decisions of these conditional branch instructions, and all decisions fundamentally can be reduced down to these brushes options yet. So in fact and so. Going back in the stack back to you know we did four risk projects at Berkeley in the nineteen eighties couple at Stanford in the nineteen eighties in two, thousand, ten, we decided we wanted to do a new instruction set learning from the mistakes of those risk architectures, the nineteen eighty s, and that was done here at Berkeley almost exactly ten years ago and the the people who did it I participated other Krista Vich and others drove. The called it risk five hundred. the forest projects of nineteen. Eighties. So, what is risk five involve? So here's five is another a instruction set vocabulary. It's a learn from the mistakes of the past, but it still has if you look at the. Course of instructions it's very similar to the simplest architectures from the nineteen eighties in the big difference about risk five is it's open. So I, talked early about proprietary versus open. Software. So this is an instruction set. So its vocabulary, it's not, it's not hard work. But by having an open instruction set, we can have open implementations, open source processors that people can use. Would do you see that going? It's really exciting possibilities, but just like in the scientific American if you're to predict ten, twenty, thirty years from now that kind of ability to utilize open source I instruction set architectures like risk five, what kind of possibilities might unlock yeah and so just make it clear because this is confusing the specification of five is something that's like in a textbook there's books about so that's what that's defining an interface There's also the way you build hardware is you write it in languages they're kind of like see, but they're specialized for. Hardware that gets translated into hardware, and so these implementations of the specification are what are the open source so they're written in something that's Vera log or v HDL, but it's put up on the web just like the you can see the C. Plus plus code for Lennox on the Web. So that's the open instruction set enables open a source implementations risk five taken literally build a processor using this instruction set people are people are. So what happened to us that the story was this was developed here for are used to our research. And we made it. We licensed under the Berkeley software distribution license like a lot of things get licensed. So other academics use it they wouldn't be afraid to use it and then about. Two Thousand Fourteen, we started getting complaints that we were using it in our research in our courses in we got complaints from people in industries. Why did you change your instructions set? Between the fall and the spring. Semester in while we get complaints manure stroke time why the hell do you care what we do with our instruction set and then when we talked to him, we found out there this thirst for this idea of an open instruction set architecture and they had been looking for one. They stumbled upon ours at Berkeley thought it was. By this looks great, we should use this one. And so once we realized there is this need for an open instructions at architecture. We thought that's a great idea, and then we started supporting it and tried to make it happen. So this was kind we accidentally stumbled into this. into this need in our timing was good and so it's really taking off There's A. University good at starting things but the not good at sustaining things. So like Lennox Has Lennox Foundation. There's a risk five foundation that we started. There's there's an annual conferences in the first one was done I think. January two, thousand, fifteen in the one that was just less December in it. You know it had fifty people at it in. December had an. Seventeen hundred people were at it in the company's excited all over the world. So if predicting the future. You know if we were doing twenty five years, I would predict that risk five will be you know possibly the most popular. Instruction set architecture out there because. It's a pretty good instruction set architecture and it's open and free in. There's no reason. Lots of people shouldn't use it and there's benefits just like Lennox. Is So. Popular today to twenty years ago I, and the fact that you can get access to it for free you can modify it. You can improvement for all those same arguments and so people collaborate to make it a better system for everybody us and that works in soffer and I expect the same thing will happen in harbour. So if you look at the arm Intel mips if you look at the lay of the land. and. What do you think? Oh, just for me because I'm not. Familiar. How difficult is kind of transition would? How much challenges this kind of transition would entail Do you see. Me Ask my dumb question and other no that's kind of your head. I think the thing you pointed out there's there's these proprietor very popular proprietor instructions sets the x eighty six and so hard to remove to risk five potentially in sort of in a span of five, ten, twenty years a kind of unification. In given that the devices, the kind of way will use devices, Iot mobile devices, and the cloud is changing well part of it a big piece of it. Is the software stack and Right now, looking forward there seemed to be three important markets. There's a the cloud and the cloud is simply companies like Alibaba Amazon and Google Microsoft having these giant data centers with tens of thousands of servers in maybe a hunt maybe a hundred of these data centers all over the world, and that's what the cloud is. So the computer that dominates the cloud is the exit. He's six in a structure sets of the instruction or the instruction sets using the cloud of the city six almost almost one hundred percent of that today is x eighty six. The other big thing, our cell phones and laptops those big things. Today I mean the P. C. is also dominated by the city six in set but those sales are dwindling. You know there's maybe a two hundred million PC's year and there's One and a half billion phones year there's numbers like that. So for the phones. That's dominated by arm. And now and a reason that are talked about the software stacks and the third categories, Internet of things, which is basically embedded devices, things in your cars and your microwaves everywhere. So what's different about those three categories is for the cloud the software that runs in the cloud is determined by these companies Alibaba Amazon. Google. Microsoft so that they control that software stack for the cell phones. There's both for android and apple the software they supply, but both of them have marketplaces where anybody in the world. Can build software and that software is translated or. Compiled down in shift in the vocabulary of arm. So that's the referred to as binary compatible because the actual it's the instructions are turned into numbers, binary numbers and shift around the world. So and so just a quick interruption. So arm, what is arm as? Arm In, instructions to that could risk based. Yeah. It's a risk instructor. A proprietary one arm stands for Advanced risk machine arm is the name of the company. So it's a proprietary risk architecture. So and it's been around. For, the surely the most popular instruction set in the world right now, they every year billions of chips are using the arm design. In this post PC era is the one of the early risk dot adopters. The first arm goes back in eighty six or so Berkeley instead did their work in the early eighties they're armed guys needed instruction set, and they read our papers in it heavily influenced them. So. Getting back story. What about Internet of things? Well, Safra's not in internet of things. It's the the embedded device people control that software stack. So you the opportunities for five everybody thinks is in the Internet of things embedded things because there's no dominant player like there is in the cloud or the. smartphones. And you know it's it's doesn't have a lot of licenses associated with in you can enhance the instruction set if you want in an people. Have looked at instruction sets and think it's very good instruction set so appears to be very popular there it's possible that In. The cloud people those companies control their software stacks. So it's possible that they would decide to use risk five ever talk about ten and twenty years in the future The one of the harder would be the cellphone since people ship software in the arm instruction set that you'd think the the mark difficult one but if I five really catches on in. In a period of a decade, you can imagine that's changing over to give a sense why risk five or arm is dominated. You mentioned these three categories why? Why did arm dominate why does dominate the mobile device base and may be the my naive intuition is that there are some aspects of power efficiency that important yet somehow come along with the risk well, part of it is For these old SISK instruction sets like an x eighty six. It it was more expensive to these. You know they're older. So they have disadvantages in them because they were designed for years ago but also they have to translate in hardware from Cisco Instructions to risk instructions on the fly in that. Cost both Silken area that the chips are bigger to be able to do that and it uses more power. So arm his which has you know followed this risk philosophy is CB much more energy efficient in today's computerworld both in the cloud in cell phone in a things, it isn't. The limiting resources in the number transistors you can sit in chip is what how much power can you dissipate for your application? So by having A reduced instruction set you that's possible to have the simpler hardware which is more energy efficient in energy efficiency is incredibly important in the cloud. When you have tens of thousands of computers in a data center, you want to have the most energy efficient ones there as well, and of course for embedded things running off a battery she went those be energy efficient in the cell phones too. So I think it's believed that there's a energy disadvantage of using. These more complex instruction set architectures. So the other aspect of this is if we look at Apple Qualcomm Samsung while way all use the arm or sure and yet the performance that the systems varies at, I don't know whose opinion you take on but. Apple for some reason seems to perform better in these implementations architecture. So where's the magic enter the trucks have? So what arm pioneered was a new business model is they said, well, here's our proprietary instruction set. And we'll give you two ways to do it. There will give you one of these implementations written in things like sea called very log and you could just use ours. Will you have to pay money for that Not only pay will give you. You know we'll license us do that or you could design your own and so we're talking about numbers like. Tens of millions of dollars to have the right design your own since they, its instruction set belongs to them. So, apple got one of those. The right to build their own most of the people who build like android phones just get one of the designs from arm to do it themselves. So apple developed a really good microprocessor design team they you know acquired a very good team that had was a building other microprocessors and brought them into the company to build their designs. So the instruction set to the same specifications are the same, but they're hardware design is much more efficient than I think everybody else's. And that's given. Apple a advantage in the marketplace that the the iphones tend to be the first. Faster than most everybody else's phones that are there. It'd be nice to be able to jump around kind of explore different little sides of this. Blame me ask on the sort of romanticised question would to use the most beautiful aspect or idea of risk instruction set or instruction says the yet oh. Yeah I I'm you know I I has always attracted to the idea of smallest beautiful by is that the temptation in engineering? It's kind of easy to make things more complicated it's harder to come up with a it's more difficult surprises they come up with a simple elegant solution and I think there's a bunch of small features of of risk in general that you know where you can see this examples of keeping it simpler makes it more elegant specifically in risk five which I'm I was kind of the mentor in the program, but it was really driven by Krista Sandwich and to Grad Students Andrew Waterman simply. Is they hit upon this idea. Of having, a subset of instructions. A Nice simple instructions like fortyish instructions, the off software. The Software Steph risk five kin run just in those forty instructions and then they provide optional features that could accelerate the performance instructions that if you needed them could be very helpful but you don't need to have them and that that's a new really a new idea. So risk five has. Right now, maybe five optional subsets that you can pull in, but the software runs without them. If you just to build the just the the core forty instructions, that's fine you can do that. So this is fantastic educationally is explain computers. The only have to explain forty instructions and not thousands of them all. If you invent some wild and crazy new technology like you know biological computing. You'd like a nice simple instruction set and you can risk fi you're implement those core instructions you can run you know really interesting programs on top of that. So this idea of a course set of instructions, the software stack runs on, and then optional features that if you turn them on the compilers were used, but you don't have to I. Think it's a powerful idea what's happened in the past for the pressure instruction sets Is when they add new instructions becomes required piece. And so that all. All microprocessors in the future have to use those instructions. So it's kind of like a for a of people's that get older they gain white can. That weight in age correlated, and so you can see these instruction sets get getting bigger and bigger as they get older. So risk five you know lets you be as slim as a teenager in you only have to add these extra features. If you're really GONNA use them rather than every, you have no choice you have to keep growing with the instruction Sir I don't know if the analogy holds up but that's a beautiful notion. That there's it's almost like a nudge towards here's the simple core, the essential i. think the surprising thing is still if we if we brought back, you know the pioneers in the nineteen fifties and showed them the instruction architectures they'd understand it they. That doesn't look that different how I'm surprised and it's. In maybe something you know to talk about philosophical things I mean there may be something powerful about those. You know forty or fifty instructions that all you need is these commands like these instructions that we talked about, and that is sufficient to build a to bring about you know artificial intelligence in. So remarkable. Surprising to me that is complicated. Is it is to build these things you know Microprocessors where the line with our narrower than the wavelength of light you know is this amazing technologies at some fundamental level the commands that software executes a really pretty straightforward and haven't changed that much in in decades which what a surprising outcome. So underlying all computation, all machines, all artificial intelligence systems perhaps might be a very simple instruction set like like risk five or it's yeah I mean i. that's kind of what I said. I was interested to see. I had another. More, senior faculty colleague in he he had written something in scientific. American in. His Twenty five years in the future his turned out about when I was a young professor earning any said, Yep I checked it and I was interested to see how that was going to turn out. For me and it's pretty held up a pretty well. But yeah so there's there's probably there's some. There's the must be something fundamental about those instructions that were capable of creating intelligence from pretty primitive operations. And just doing really fast. You kind of mentioned the different maybe radical computational. Media Mike Biological in there's other ideas. So there's a lot of space aspects of domain specific and then there could be quantum computers would. So we can think of all those different mediums and types of computation. What's the connection between swapping out different? Hardware systems in the instruction set. DC those disjointed they fundamentally couple. Yes. So what's so kind of if we go back to the history When Morris laws full effect in you're getting twice as many transistors every couple of years. You know kind of the challenge for computer designers is, how can we take advantage of that? How can we turn those transistors into better computers a faster typically, and so there was an era. I guess in the eighties and nineties were computers were. Doubling performance every eighteen months. And if you weren't around, then what would happen is you had your computer and your friends computer, which was like a year year and a half newer. It was much faster than your computer and you he he or she could get their work done much faster than your because you're. So people took their computers perfectly good computers and threw them away. To buy a new or computer because the computer one or two years later was so much faster. So that's what the world was like in the eighties and nineties well. With the slowing down of Moore's law. That's no longer true right now with now, that computers laptops I only get a new. Laptop when it breaks, I'll damn the disks broker, the display I gotta buy a new computer but before you would throw them away because it just they were just so sluggish compared to the latest computers. So that's you know. That's a huge change of of what's gone on. So but since this lasted for decades, kind of programmers and maybe all society is used to computers getting faster regularly. It we now now believe those of us who are in computer design called computer architecture that the path forward is instead is to add accelerators that only worked well for certain applications. So since Moore's law is slowing down. We don't think general purpose computers get a lot faster. So the Intel process of the world are not GonNa haven't been getting a lot faster. They've been barely improving like a few percent a year it used to be doubling every eighteen months and now it's doubling every twenty years. So it's a shocking. So to be able to deliver on what Moore's law used to do, we think what's going to happen what is happening right now as people. adding. accelerators to their microprocessors that only work well for some domains. And by sheer coincidence at the same time that this is happening has been this revolution in artificial intelligence called machine learning. So with as I'm sure your other. Guests have said Hey I had these two competing schools of thought is that we could figure out artificial intelligence by just riding the rules top down or that was wrong you had to look at data in infer what the rules are the machine learning and what's happened in the last decade or eight years machine learning has one. And it turns out that machine learning the hardware you built for machine learning is pretty much multiply. The Matrix multiply is a key feature for the way PEOP-. Machine learnings done. So That's a godsend for computer designers. We know how to make Matrix multiply run relief fast saw general purpose microprocessors slowing down we're adding accelerators for machine learning that fundamentally are doing matrix multiplies much more efficiently than general purpose computers have done. So we have to come up with a new way to accelerate things. The danger of only accelerating one application is how important is that application turns turns like machine learning gets used for all kinds of things. So Sarah, dip it Asli we've found something to accelerate that's. Applicable and we don't even we're in the middle of this revolution of machine learning. We're not sure what the limits of machine learning are. So this has been a kind of a godsend if you're going to be able to accelerate deliver on improved performance as long as people are moving their programs to be embracing machine learning, we know how to give them more performance even as Moore's law slowing down in counter-intuitively. The machine learning mechanism you can save domain specific because it's leveraging data. It's actually could be very broad in terms of. In terms of the domains, it could be applied in. Yes. That's exactly right. Sort of it's almost sort of people sometimes talk about the idea of software two point were almost taking another step up in the abstraction layer in designing. Machine learning systems because now you're programming in the space of data in the space of hyper parameters, it's changing fundamentally the nature of programming and so the specialized devices that that accelerate the performance especially neural network based machine learning systems might become the new general. Yes. So the this thing that's interesting point out these are not. These are not tied together the. Enthusiasm machine learning about trading programs driven from data that we should figure out the answers from data rather than kind of top down which classically the way. Most program is done in the way artificial intelligence used to be done. That's a movement that's going on at the same time coincidentally and the in the first word machine learning machines, right. So that's going to increase the demand for computing because instead programmers being smart writing those those things down, we're going to instead use computers to examine today to kind of create the programs. That's the idea. And remarkably, this gets used for all kinds of things very successfully the image recognition, the language translation, the game playing, and you know it gets into. Pieces of software stack like databases and stuff like that. We're not quite sure how journal purposes but that's going on independent this hardware stuff. What's happening on the hardware side is Moore's law is slowing down right when we need a lot more cycles failing. It's failing. US right when we need it because there's going to be a greater. A greater increase in computing, and then this idea that we're going to do so called the main specific here's a domain that your greatest fear is. You'll make this one thing work in that will help you know five percent of the people in the world while this. This looks like it's a very general purpose. Think. So the timing is fortuitous that if we can perhaps. We can keep building hardware that will accelerate machine learning the the neural networks that'll. beat the time. He'll be right that that network. Revolution will transform. Software. The so-called. Software two point And the software, the future will be very different from the software. The past and justice are microprocessors even though we're still going to have that same basic risk instructions. To run a big piece of software stack like user interfaces and stuff like that. We can accelerate the the kind of the small piece that's computational and Pencil. It's not lots of lines of code, but it takes a lot of cycles to run that code that that's GonNa be accelerator piece, and so that's what makes us from computer designers, perspective of really interesting decade but Tennessee and I talked about in the title of our turning words. Speech is a new golden age we we see this is a very exciting decade much like. When we were assistant professors and the risk stuff was going on. That was a very exciting time where we were changing what's going on. We see this happening again tremendous opportunities of people because we're fundamentally changing how software is built and how we're running it. So a witch layer of the Abstraction d think most the acceleration may be happening. If you look in the next ten years that will google is working on a lot of exciting stuff with the TPU said of there's a culture, the hardware that could be optimizations around the. Iraq closer to the instruction set. That could be optimization at the compiler level. It could be even at the higher level software stack. Yeah it's to be. If you think about the the old risk debate it was both a it was software hardware was the compilers. Improving as well as the architecture improving and that's likely to be the way things are now with machine learning they, they're using domain specific languages. The language is like tensor, flow, and Pie. Torch are very popular with machine learning people. Those are the raising the level distraction. It's easier for people right machine learning in these but domain specific languages like. Like a Pie torch in tensor flow. So where most optimization but yeah, and so and so they'll be both a compiler piece in the harbor Niece it. So is you kind of the fatal flaw for hardware people is create really great hardware but not have brought along the compilers and what we're seeing right now in the marketplace because of this enthusiasm around hard for machine learning is getting you know probably a billions of dollars invested in startup companies were seeing startup companies go belly up because they focus on the hard word, but didn't bring the software stack along. we talked about benchmark's earlier so I participated. In machine learning didn't really have benchmarks. I think just two years ago they didn't have a set of benchmarks and we've created something called M. L. Perf, which is machine learning benchmark suite in pretty much the companies who didn't invest in software stack couldn't run perforate well, and the ones who did invest in software stack did and we're seeing you know like kind of in computer architecture. This is what happens. You have these arguments about whispers assists people spend billions of dollars in the marketplace to see who wins. It's not it's not a perfect comparison that kind of sorts things out and we're seeing companies go out of business and then companies like Like there's a company in Israel called Havana. They came up with machine learning accelerators. They had good emo perf scores Intel had acquired a company earlier called. Nirvana. Ago. They didn't reveal them for scores which was suspicious but a month ago Intel announced that they're canceling the Nirvana Product Line and they've bought Havana for two billion dollars in India is going to be shipping Abana chips which have hardware and software and run the in PERF pretty well, and that's going to be their product line to the future. Brilliant music briefly love metrics, standards that everyone can gather around. What are some interesting aspects of that portfolio metrics One of the interesting metrics is You know what we thought it was you know we I. was involved in the start You know we up Peter Mattsson is leading different from Google Google got off the ground but we had to reach out competitors and say There's no benchmarks here. This we think this is bad for the field. It'll be much better if we look at examples like in the risk days, there was an effort to create a for the the people in the community got together. Competitors got together rebuilding risk bank processors to agree on a set of benchmarks that we're called SPEC, and that was good for the industry is rather before the different. Risk architectures were arguing, well, you can believe my performance others but those other guys are liars and that didn't do any good. So we agreed on a set of benchmarks and then we figure out who is faster between the various architectures, but it was a little bit faster but that grew the market rather than you know people were afraid to buy anything. So we argued the same thing that happened. With him L.. PERF. Companies like Nvidia were you know maybe worried that it was some kind of trap but eventually We all got together to create a set of benchmarks and do the right thing right and we agree on the results, and so we can see whether TPU's or jeep us or CPA's are really faster and how much faster and I think from an engineer's perspective. As. Long as the results are fair, you're live with it. Okay. You know you tip your hat to to your colleagues at another institution boy they did a better job than this. What you what you hate is if it's it's false right they're making claims and it's just marketing bullshit and you know and that's affecting sales. So you from an engineer's perspective as long as the fair comparison and we don't come in first place that's too bad but it's fair. So we wanted to create that environment frame all perfect, and so now there's a ten companies I mean ten universities and fifty companies involved. So pretty much AMMO PERF has Is this is the way you measure machine learning formats and it didn't exist even two years ago. One of the cool things that I enjoy about the Internet has downsides but one of the Nice things is People can see through a little better with the President Jessica's a metrics it's. So it's really nice accompanies I google and facebook and twitter. Now it's the cool thing to do is to put your engineers forward and to actually show off how well you do on these metrics. There's not. Of It well, there's less of a desire to do marketing less. So in my in my sort of naive, no one. I was trying to understand that you know what's changed from the eighties. In this era I think because of things like social networking twitter and stuff like that if you if you put up. A bullshit stuff, right? That's just. You know Miss. Purposely misleading. You you can get a violent reaction and social media pointing out the flaws in your arguments right and so from a marketing perspective, you have to be careful today. They didn't have to be careful that there be people who put off the You can get the word out about the flaws in what you're saying much more easily today than in the past you used to it was used be easier to get away with it, and the other thing that's been happening in terms of showing off engineers is just In the software side people have largely embraced open source software it it was. Twenty years ago it was a dirty word Microsoft today. Microsoft. Is One of the big proponents of open source software. The kind of that's the standard way most soffer gets built, which really shows off your engineers. Because you can see if you look at the source code, you can see who are making the commits who's making the improvements who are the engineers at all these companies who are. are. Really great programmers, engineers, and making really solid contributions which enhances their reputations and the reputation of the companies. But that's of course that everywhere like in the space that I work more in the Thomas. Vehicles in their still. The machinery of hype and marketing still very strong there there's less willingness to be open in this kind of open source way and sort of benchmark. So am all PERF is presents the machine learning world is much better being open source about holding itself to standards of different diamant of incredible benchmarks in terms of the different computer vision actually processing. Data. Audible it you know. Historically. It wasn't always that way I had a graduate student working with me David Martin. So for in computer in some feels. benchmarking is been around forever. So computer architecture. Databases maybe operating systems benchmarks are. The way you measure progress but he was working with me and then started working with Gender Malik and he's Jitendra Malik and Computer Vision Space who I guess you've interviewed gender. And Dave Martin told me they don't have benchmarks. Everybody has their own vision algorithm and the way my here's my image look at how well I do and everybody had their own image. So David Martin back when he did his dissertation figured out a way to do benchmarks had a bunch of graduate students identify images. And then ran becks sparks to see which algorithms run well, and that was as far as I know kind of the first time. People did benchmarks and computer vision in which was predated all the things that eventually led to image net and stuff like that. But then you know the vision community got religion and then once we got as far as image net than. Let. the guys in Toronto Be Able to win the image that competition, and then you know that changed the whole world is a scary step actually because when you enter the world of benchmarks, you actually have to be good to participate as opposed to You can just you just believe you're the best in the world. And I think the people I think they weren't purposely misleading I. think if you don't have benchmark timing, how do you know you know you could have your intuition is kind of like the way we do computer architecture your went tuition is that this is the right instruction set to do this job I believe in my experience my hunch is that's true. We had to get to make things more quantitative to make progress, and so I just don't know how you know in fields don't have benchmarks I don't understand how they figure out how they're making progress. We're kind of in the vacuum tube days of quantum computing. What are your thoughts in this wholly different kind of space of architectures you know I actually you know quantum computing is ideas been around for a while and I actually thought sure hope. I retire before reaching this. I'd say a because I talk about these talks about the slowing of Moore's law in In when we need to change by do the domestic celebrators. A common questions say what about computing the reason that comes up it's in the news all the time. So I think the keep in the thirteen to keep in mind is quantum computing is not right around the corner. there have been two national reports when by the national came to engineering and other by the computing consortium where they did a frank assessment of of quantum computing in. A, both of those reports said, you know as far as we can tell before you get air corrected quantum computing it's a decade away. So I think that like nuclear fusion right people who've been excited about nuclear fusion long time. If we ever get nuclear fusion, it's GonNa be fantastic for the world. I'm glad people are working on it, but you know it's not right around the corner the those two reports to me say, probably it'll be twenty thirty before quantum computing is A. something that could happen and when it does happen you know this is going to be big science stuff. This is a micro Kelvin, almost absolute zero things that if they vibrate if truck goes by work, right. So this'll be indata center stuff. We're not going to have a quantum cell phone. And it's probably a twenty, thirty kind of thing. So I'm happy that are people are working on it but just you know it's hard with all the news about it not to think that it's right around the corner. and. That's why we need to do something as Moore's law slowing down to provide the computing keep including getting better for this decade and in you know, we shouldn't be betting on quantum computing Are Expecting competing to deliver in the next few years it's probably further off you know I I'd be happy to be wrong. It'd be great if quantum computing's going commercially viable, but it will be a set of applications. It's not a general purpose computation. So it's going to do some amazing things, but there'll be a lot of things probably you know the the old fashioned computers are going to keep doing better for while. And there will be a teenager fifty years from now watching this video saying lukasz. Oh, silly. David Berson was saying no. I said. I didn't say. Never. We're not GONNA have quantum cell phones. So he's going to be watching. Well, I. Mean I think this is such a you know given the we've had Moore's law. I just I feel comfortable trying to do projects that are thinking about the next decade I admire people are trying to do things that are thirty years up. It's such a fast moving field I just don't know how to. I'm not good enough to figure out what what's the problem is going to be in thirty years You know ten years hard enough for me So maybe if it's possible to untangle your intuition a little bit I spoke with Jim Keller. I. Don't know if you're familiar with Jim and he he is trying to sort of be a little bit rebellious and try to think that he quotes me as being wrong the so this this is. For the for the record. Jim Dread it talks about that. He has intuition Moore's law is not in. In fact, dead yet, and then it may continue for some time to come. What are your thoughts about Jim's ideas in this space? This is just this is just marketing. So with Gordon Moore said is a quantitative prediction it. We can check the facts right which is doubling a number of transistors. Every two years. So we can look back at Intel for the last five years and ask him let's look at D.. Ram Chips. Six years ago so that would be. Three two year periods. So then our D Ram chips have eight times as many transistors as they did six years ago. We look Intel microprocessors with six years ago. If Moore's laws continuing, it should have eight times as many transistors. Is Six years ago. The answer in both cases? No. The problem has been. Because Moore's law was kind of. Genuinely embraced by the semiconductor industries, they would make investments severe equipment to make Moore's law come. True. Semiconductor improving in Moore's law in many people's minds the same thing. So when I say and I'm factually correct the Moore's law is no longer holds we are not w chances every US years. The downside for a company like Intel is people think. That means it stopped that technology has no longer improved and so jim is trying to RE cataract. The impression that semiconductors are frozen in two thousand nineteen are never going to get better. So I never said that. I said was Moore's law is no more and I'm stroke into number of transistors. More that's what Moore's law is. There's the I. Don't know there's been this aura associated with Moore's law. They've enjoyed for fifty years about look the field we're in we're doubling transistors every two years what an amazing field, which is amazing thing that able to pull off but even as Gordon, Moore said, no exponential can last forever if lasted for fifty years, which is amazing and this is a huge impact on the industry because of these changes that we've been talking about. So he claims because he's trying to act and he claims. Patterson says Moore's laws no more and look at all look at it's still going in TSMC the say it's longer but. It, quantitative evidence that Moore's law is not continuing so his but I, say now to try and okay I understand the the perception problem when I say Moore's law stopped. Okay. So now I say more slowing down in think Jim, which is another way if he's if it's predicting every two years and I say it slowing down than that's another way of saying it's doesn't hold anymore and I think Jim wouldn't. Disagree that it's slowing down because that sounds like it's things are still getting better just not as fast, which is another way of saying Moore's law isn't working anymore. It's still good for marketing but the, but what's your you're not you don't like expanding the definition Moore's law sort of well, actually is an educator. Are you know is this like bonham politics as everybody gets their own facts? Are Do. We have Moore's law was crisp. You know a more. Carver mead looked at his. Moore's conversations of drawing on a log log scale, a straight line, and that's what the definition of Moore's law is. There's this other what Intel did for awhile interestingly before Jim, join them. They said Oh no Moore's lies in the number of doubling. Is it really doubling transistors? Every two years Moore's law is the cost of the individual, just ten sister going down cutting in half a every two years. Now, that's not what he said, but they reinterpreted because they believed that the cost of transistors was continuing to drop even if they couldn't get twice ships. Many people in industry have told me that's not true anymore that basically the in more recent technologies got more complicated the actual cost of transistor went up. So even even the a corollary might not be true but certainly you know Moore's law that was the beauty of Moore's law. It was a very simple. It's like Eagles MC squared. It was like. Oh, what an amazing prediction it's so easy to understand. The implications are amazing and that's why it was. So famous as a as a prediction and this this reinterpretation of what it meant and changing is his revisionist history in I. I'd be happy and and they're not claiming there's numerous law. They're not saying by the way it's instead of every two years. It's every three years. I don't think I don't think they want to say that. I think what's going to happen is new technology H wants to get a little bit slower so. It is slowing down. The improvements will be as great and that's why we need to do things like that. That idea of Moore's law is tied up with marketing I. It would be nice if whether it's marketing or it's it's Well, it could be affecting. Business could also be infecting the imagination of engineers is if if Intel employees actually believed that we're frozen in two thousand and nineteen well, that's that would be bad for Intel. The nudges Intel but everybody it's inspired Moore's laws inspiring. Everybody, but what's happening right now talking to people in who have worked in national offices in Suffolk that a lot of the computer science community is unaware that this is going on that we are in an era that's GONNA need radical change at lower levels that could affect the whole software stack this you know if if. If Intel If you're using cloud stuff in the servers that you get next year, basically only a little bit faster than service you got this year. You need to know that and we need to start innovating to start delivering. If you're counting on your software, your suffering a lot more features assuming the computers can get faster. That's not true. So are you going to have to start making your software stack more efficient? Are you going to have to start learning about machine learning? So it's you know it's kind of A. It's a warning or call for arms that the world is changing right now a lot of people have computer science PC's are unaware of that. So a way to try and get their attention is to say that Morse laws slowing down and that's going to affect your assumptions and you know we're trying to get the word out and when companies like TSMC. An Intel CEO no Moore's laws fine than people think okay. I don't have to change my behavior. I'll just get the next servers in. You know if they start doing measurements though realize what's going on it'd be nice to have some transparency at metrics for for the lay person. To be able to know computers are getting faster Yeah there are there are a bunch of most people kind of use clock rate is is a measure performance in it's not a perfect one. But if you've noticed clock rates are more or less the same as they were five years ago. Computers are a little better than they aren't. The, they haven't made zero progress. They've made small progress so. There's some indications out there in their behavior. Nobody buys the next laptop because it's so much faster than the laptop from the past for cell phones. I think I don't know why people buy new cell phones. Because of new ones announced, the cameras are better but that's kind of the main specific. They're putting special purpose hardware to make the processing of images go much better. So that's that that's the way they're doing it. They're not particularly, it's not that the arm processor there has twice as fast as much as they added accelerators to help the experience of the phone. Can we talk a little bit about one other exciting space? Arguably the same level of impact as your work with risk is. Raid. In Your In nineteen, Eighty, eight, you co authored a paper a case for redundant arrays of inexpensive disks hence are a I d read. So you that's where you introduced the idea rate incredible that little. I mean little that paper kind of had this ripple effect in a really revolutionary effect. So I what is rate was rate so I this guy did with my colleague Randy Katz and a star graduate student Garth Gibson. So, had just done the fourth generation risk. Project. And Randy Katz, which at early Apple. Macintosh computer. At this time, everything was done with floppy disks which are old. Technologies That could store things that didn't have much capacity and you had to to get any work done. You're always sticking your little floppy disk in and out because they didn't much capacity for they started building what are called hard disk drives, which is magnetic material that can remember information storage for the MAC in. Randy asked the question when he saw this. DISC next to his MAC Jeez. He's a brand new small things before that for the big computers the the disc would be the size of washing machines and here's something the size of a kind of the size of a book or so. This is I wonder what we could do with that well we. The Randy was involved in the in the fourth. Generation Risk Project here at Brooklyn Eighty. So we figured out a way how to make the computation part, the prosser park a lot faster but what about the storage part? The Can we do something to make it faster? So we hit upon the idea. Of taking a lot of these discs developed for personal computers at macintoshes and putting. Many of them together, instead of one of these washing machine sized things, and so we worth wrote the first draft of the paper and we'd have forty of these lupi CD's instead of one of these washing machine size things, and they would be much cheaper because they're made for P. C.'s, and they could actually kinda be faster because there was forty of them rather than one of them. And so he wrote a paper like that and send it to one of our former Berkeley students at IBM, and he said this is all great and good. But what about the reliability of these things now you have forty of these devices, each of which are Kinda PC quality. So they're not as good as he's IBM washing machines IBM dominated the the the the storage. So. Be Awful and so we calculated it out instead of you know it breaking on average once a year it would break every two weeks. So we thought about the idea and said, well, we got to address the reliability. So we did it originally performance, but we had to reliability. So the name redundant array of inexpensive disks is a ray of these discs inexpensive life for PC's, but we have extra colonies. So if one breaks we won't lose all the information will have enough redundancy that we could let some break and we can still preserve information. So the name is Expensive disk. This is a collection of these PC's and the part of the name was redundancy. So there'd be reliable and it turns out if you put a modest number of exodus in one of these erase, it could actually not only be as faster and cheaper that when these washing machine, it could be actually more reliable because you could have a couple of breaks if these cheap disks whereas one failure with the washing machine thing would knock it out. Did you did you have a sense just like with the risk that in thirty years that followed raid would take over as? As a as Iot, I'd say. I think I'm naturally an optimist. But I thought our ideas were right I thought kind of like Moore's law it seemed to me. If you look at the history of the disk drives, they went from washing machine sized things and they were getting smaller and smaller, and the volumes were with the smaller destroy because that's where the PC's were. So we thought that was a technological trend that describes the volume of destroys was going to be small getting smaller. And smaller devices which were true. They were the size of the I dunno eight inches diameter than five inches than three inches diameter, and so that it made sense to figure out how to deal with an array of this. So I think it was one of those things where logically we think the technological forces were on our side that it made sense we expected it to catch on, but there was that same kind of business question. IBM was the big pusher of these destroys in the real world where the technical advantage get turned into a business advantage or not. it proved to be true and so you know we thought we were found technically and it was unclear whether the business side but we kind of as academics we believe that technology should win and it did. And if you look those thirty years. Just from your perspective, are there interesting developments in the space of storage that have happened in that time? Yeah. The big thing that happened both a couple of things that happened what we did had a modest amount of storage. So as a redundancy as people build bigger and bigger storage systems, they've added more redundancy. So they get more failures and the biggest thing that happens storage is for decades it was based on. Things physically spinning called hard destroys we used to turn on your computer would make a noise with that. Noise was was the disk drives spinning and they were rotating at like. A sixty revolutions per second and it's like a if you remember the vinyl vinyl. Records if you have, you ever seen those, that's what it looked like and there is like a needle like on a vinyl record of was reading it. So the big drive a changes switching over to a semiconductor technology called Flash. So within the last, I'd say about decade is increasing fraction of all the computers in the world are using semiconductor for storage, the flash drive instead of being. A magnetic, their optical of their there. Well, their semiconductor writing of information into very densely. and that's a huge difference. So all the cell phones in the world use Flash, most of the laptops used flash all the embedded devices use flash instead of storage. Still in the cloud magnetic are more economical than flash. Both in the cloud. So it's been a huge change in the storage industry this. The. Of switching from primarily to being primarily semiconductor for the individual disk. But still the rate mechanism applies to those different kinds of death The the people will still use rate ideas because it kind of what's different kind of. Interesting kind of psychologically if you think about it People have always worried about the reliability of computing since the earliest days. So kind of but if we're talking about computation. If, your computer makes a mistake in the computers, we the computer has raised a check and say, oh, we screwed up. We made a mistake what happens is that program that was running you have to Redo it, which is a hassle. For storage if you've. Sent important information away? And it loses that information you go nuts. This is the worst oh. My God. So if you have a laptop and you're not backing it up. On the cloud or something like this and your drive breaks, which you can do, you'll lose all that information and you just go crazy right. So the importance of reliability for storage is tremendously higher than the importance of reliability for computation because the consequences of it. So yes. So rate ideas are are still very popular even with the switch of the technology although you know flash drives are more reliable. If, you're not doing anything like backing it up to get some redundancy. So they handle it. You're you're you're taking great risks. You said that for you impossibly from any other teaching and research don't. Conflict. With each other as one might suspect, and in fact, they're kinda complimented each other. So maybe a question I have is how is teaching helped you in your research or just in your? Entirety as a person who both teaches and does research and just. Thinks increase new ideas in this world. Yes. I think I. Think what happens is when you're a college student, you know there's this kind of tenure system in doing research kind of this model that you know is popular in America I. Think America really made it happen is we can attract these really great faculty to Research Universities because they get to do research as well as teach and that especially in fast-moving fields, this means people are up to date and they're teaching a distinct. But. Into really bad professor a really bad teacher. I think the students think we'll. This guy must be a great researcher. Whilst could he be here? So is I. You know I after forty years at Berkeley. We had a retirement party and I got a chance to reflect and I look back at some things that is not my experience. There's a I saw a photograph of five of us in the Department who won the Distinguished Teaching Award from campus a very high honor. You know what I've got one of those when the highest honors and so they're five of us, and that picture there's men will become. Richard Karp Me Randy, Katz, and John Oster how contemporaries of mine I mentioned already. All of us are in the national academy vengeance thing. We've all been the distinguished teaching award. Blom Carpenter all have touring awards going away. The you know the highest warden commuting. So. Opposite Right it's it. What's happens if you it's it's they're highly correlated. So probably the way to think of it. If. You're very successful people maybe successful at everything they do. It's not an either or and it's an interesting question whether specifically that's probably true. But specifically, for teaching, if there's something teaching that as the Richard Feynman right. Is there something about teaching that actually makes a research makes you think deeper more outside the box and absence has absolutely I was going to bring up firemen I mean, he he criticized the Institute of Advanced Studies. Advanced Studies was thing that was created near Princeton where Einstein and all these smart people went and when he was invited, he said he thought it was a terrible idea is this is a university was it was supposed to be heaven a university without any teaching but he thought it was a mistake is getting up in the classroom and having to explain things to students and having them ask questions like well, why is that true makes you stop and think so he thinks he thought and I agree I think that interaction between Research University and having students with bright young man's asking hard questions. The whole time is synergistic and. A university without teaching. Wouldn't be is vital an exciting place and I think it helps stimulate the the research. Another romanticized question. But what's your favorite concept idea to teach what inspires you or you see inspired the students? Is there something to pass the my or or puts the fear of them? I don't know whichever is most effective. I mean in general I think people are surprised. I've seen a lot of people who don't think they like teaching. come come guest lectures or teach a course and get hooked on seeing the lights turn on. Right is people you can explain something to people that they don't understand, and suddenly they get something you know that's not that's important in. and. Just seeing the lights turn on is a you know a real satisfaction there I don't think there's any. A. Specific example of that it's just the general joy of seeing them seeing them understand. I have to talk about this because I've wrestled all year. Yeah of course, I love wrestling a huge I'm Russian. So I'll sure I talk to Dan Gable on guests. So Young Gables my era kind of guy. So you wrestled at Ucla on many other things you've done in your life competitively in sports and science on you've you've wrestled. May Be again, continuing their meant says questions. But what have you learned about life may be incised from wrestling or from? Yeah. That's in fact I I wrestled at Ucla but also at El Camino community college and just right now we were in the state of California. We were state champions at El Camino in the fact I was talking to my mom. And I got into UCLA but I decided to go to the Community College, which is it's much harder to go ucla community college. And why did I make the decision because I thought is because of my girlfriend, she said, well, it was the girlfriend in and you thought the wrestling team has really got. And we were right. We had great wrestling team it. We we actually. wrestled against Ucla at a tournament and we beat Ucla is a community college which just freshmen and sophomores? And the parties brought this up is I'm GONNA. Go. They've invited me back at El Camino give a election next month. In. So I'm glad we've. My friend who was on the wrestling team that we're still together. We're right now reaching out to other members of the wrestling team and get together. But in terms of me, it was a huge difference I was I was both I was kind of the age cut cutoff. I was December first, and so I was almost always the youngest person in my class. And I matured later on, you know our family Richard later. So almost always the smallest guy so you know I took. Kinda nerdy courses but I was wrestling wrestling was huge for my Self confidence in high school, and then you know I kind of got bigger at El Camino College, and so I had this kind of physical self confidence. And it's translated into. Research Self, confidence and and also kind of I've had this feeling. Even, today in my seventies, you know if something. If something going on in the streets that it's bad. Physically, I'm not GONNA do it right? I'M GONNA stand up and try and straighten that out and they gotta confident just carries through the entirety of your life and and the same things happens intellectually if there's something going on where people are saying something that's not true I feel it's my job to stand up and just like I would street if there's something going on. Somebody attacking women or something I'm not I'm not standing by but in that away so I feel it's my job to stand up. So it's kind of ironically translates the other things that turned out for both. I had really great college in a high school coaches and they believed even the wrestling's and individual sport that will be need more successful as A. Team if we bonded together, you do things that we would support each other rather than everybody you know in wrestling one on one and then you could be everybody's on their own. But he felt if we bonded as a team, we'd succeed. So I kind of picked up those skills of how to form successful teams and how do you from wrestling and so i. Most. People would say one of my strengths is I can create. Teams of faculty watching defected Grad students pull all together for a common goal and you know and Often be successful planet but I got I got both of those things from wrestling. Also I think I heard this line about if people are in kind of. You know collision you know sports with physical contact wrestling or football and stuff like that. People are a little bit more. Assertive or something. So. I think I think that also comes through as you know in I was I didn't shy away from the real debates. Ha. I enjoyed taking on the arguments and stuff like that. So it was It was a I'm really glad I did wrestling I think it was really good for my self image tonight learned a lot from it. So I think that's you know sports done. Well, there's really lots of positives you can take about it leadership. you know how to how to form teams and how how to be successful. So we've talked about mattress lot. There's a really cool in terms of bench press weightlifting pound years metric you've developed. We don't have time to talk about, but it's a really go on that people should look into its rethinking the way we think about metrics and lifting but let me talk about metrics more broadly since that appeals to you in all forms. Let's look at the most ridiculous the biggest question of the meaning of life. If you were to try to put metrics on a life well lived with those metrics be. A friend Mike Randy Katz said this he said you know when when it's time to sign off, it's it's The measure isn't the number of Zeros in your bank account. It's the benches in the obituary in the New York Times. said it I think you know having And you know this is cliches the P people don't die wishing. They'd spent more time in the office. Right is I reflect upon my career there have been, you know a a half a dozen, a dozen things say I've been proud of a lot of them aren't papers or scientific salt certainly my family, my wife we've been married. More than fifty years, kids and grandkids. That's really precious Education thinks I've done I'm very proud of you know books and courses I did some help with underrepresented groups that was effective. So it was interesting to sing what were the things I reflected I had. Hundreds of papers but some of them were the papers like the risk rate stuff I'm proud of, but a lot of them were or were not those things. So people who are just spend their lives going after the. Going, after all the papers in the world, you know that's probably not the things that are afterwards you care about when I was A just when I got the offer Berkeley before I showed up I, read a book where they interviewed a lot of people on all work life and what I got out of that book was the people felt good about what they did was the people who affected people as opposed to things that were more transitory. So I came into this job assuming that it wasn't going to be the papers is going to be relationships with the people over time that I would. I would value in that was a correct assessment, right? It's it's the people you work with the people you can influence the people you can help is the things that you feel good about towards occurrence, not not the the stuff that's more transitory him. and think there's a better way to end it. Then talking about your family, the over fifty years of being married to your childhood sweetheart. Okay. I could add is When you tell people you've been married fifty years they want to know why How why am I can tell you the nine magic words that you need to say to your partner stick keep a good relationship. In. The nine magic words are I was wrong. You're right I. Love You. Okay and you gotta say all nine you can't say I was wrong. You're right. You're jerk you can't say that. I freely acknowledging that you made a mistake. The other person was right in that you love them really Gets, over a lot of bumps in the road. So that's what I pass along. Beautifully put David is a huge honor. Thank you so much for the book you've written for the research you've done for changing the world. Thank you for talking to the thanks for the interview. Thanks for listening to this conversation with David Patterson and thank you to our sponsors the Jordan harbinger show and cash up. 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#30 Francisco X. Rivera
"Three two one go welcome to another installment of the cool kids. They will podcast. My guest today is Francisco x Rivera. You Seen Everywhere Fox. Sports the In Spanish he is a commentator for the chargers. He's done the Lakers. He's done the clippers but many of you will know him as being the youngest of Spanish broadcaster in a world series game on Spanish television He did the World Series in two thousand twelve his credentials speak for themselves He was named one of the thirty. Five most What's it called? He's already in here. Cool just jump in its own words. Okay Francisco can you hear me? Yes okay it's loud and clear note staticky. Nothing all good okay. So I was just giving a brief introduction on you so my guess today is a skull x Rivera. Why he say. Hello Francisco Actor thank you for having me. I'm glad to be sharing some stories today. Would you guys and then once again sending everyone a huge hug best wishes and just be patient? Stay saving you know. I'm I'm sure we'll get through this. It's a great way to start so as you were coming in. I'll just letting the audience know that you were chosen by the Hollywood reporter as being one of the top thirty five under thirty five Latinos in entertainment and twenty twelve so we could go from there or we could do. I was letting them know you're the youngest Spanish broadcaster for World Series Game. So either of those. I'm okay with what do you WanNa talk about? Let me see what what's on your mind. Well you know both of those key points came back in two thousand twelve and That was a great year for me. I think that's Things that will always be on my mind The Hollywood reporter thing came unexpectedly because You know they are. I guess picky with they choose and Obviously the I I WANNA thank people fog support as back then or referring me and but me putting the odd there on the map to them are Tremendous job in you. Know pitching me a spot of that the great roster. I mean you had people like Zoe. Saldana I think the the net that was there You know I mean so. Many great celebrities there and just to be part of that list was just amazing or me. I mean it will always give bragging rights. Yes actually A very famous. That Tina wasn't the cover of that order magazine and the modern family team. So you know it was for me just being part. I mean there's a small paragraph talking about the Call me the sports night. I'll be happy tenure as screen once I mean I'll find the magazine talks about me about you. Know being actually the only sports broadcaster mentioned in the Hollywood reporter. Then so yeah it was. It was amazing to me. I just Miss Barty. I didn't go I But at the same time just being being able to to be mentioned in that category amongst you know some some you know not only peers but other people that are look up to it was just incredible so then again it will give me bragging rights for the rest of my life. That's amazing and you know I'm familiar with you. I've seen him on TV. I've I've you know. Guess a fan rights. We support each other. We support these look like us. Talk like an incredible and Myself being an athlete when I was younger out you you know you dream of being the baseball player you dream of being on the field and then as I got older. I got into journalism for a little bit right so I see that aspect and you know I had A. It wasn't a great blog but had a decent following for the time and I it was one of those things where I transitioned to like. Oh maybe I could write about sports and talk about sports and this kind of came about because I always thought about doing like a like a a sports center in my own words nightly kind of thing so seeing somebody like yourself go out there and do it is to me is like one. Not only is that awesome but to. I feel like you could give some not pointers and I want to do this. Do that kind of thing but just kind of you see that you talked to the NBA able to like let them know. Hey our people can do this to you know we could be on. Tv and talk about sports. You know like One of the things I know about you know hockey and Spanish like That's incredible you know. 'cause Latino community is not that involved in hockey so if we were to expand that we have great athlete to know and a lot of them are multi sports athletes. So if you were to let people know like Hey. You're great soccer player. Great Football Player. But you can also do hockey. No I had in southern California place. It's not that common you know it's more of a cold weather sport but just these things that I feel like people like yourself putting it out there on the map kind of helps everybody you know rise up together you know you bring up the community with you. Yeah I mean that's a great point I thank you for for your praise and you know what back going back to two thousand twelve right so then again. I get Promoted by by four days and then Hollywood reporter you know obviously face attention to me. They including their magazine and then a little bit later. October two thousand twelve. That's when Fox gave me a great opportunity of calling the Games. I had been a reporter for them since two thousand six in the world series calling regular season and playoff games. But this was the very first time I actually got to call the the whole world series for myself from Fortunately Detroit did not with up much resistance against the giants. That was a short series. I actually did my family to Detroit. It was my dad and my wife and a friend of my dad's we had tickets role Three Games but unfortunately had to get a refund for the last game. He'd actually never happen. You Know Ford series. But he was was a time of my life not only because then again I got to do it and I got to do it at a young age when I was thirty years old But at the same time you know my family was been a great part of my life. So far Was able to be there with me so you know. That's that's a replaceable. That's something that will never leave my mind. That's actually my biggest memory because it's not about the money it's not about the moment it's about sharing with Amelia. And you know what you're talking about will was Latinos like I was born in Mexico City right and I know I'm I cannot tell you like why didn't myself as Mexican American even though I live here for half my life but you know each one of us is different right you. You were born in a different country you come from different backgrounds but one thing that unites us as Latinos is family right and for museum able to cherish those moments with my familia me very very proud and very very humble about those opportunities so when that happened you know I started getting more notoriety Amongst annulling might years but you know one thing that helped me I actually when I started in this business. I was a junior lobbied state and I I started with an internship at Fox sports net on the English side of things you in production so I I met a lot of people and that's how you know not only known in the Spanish side of things but I'll eat you know but you just pretty much everywhere and then you know I start picking up more achievements along the road and then In two thousand thirteen I was very fortunate to be chosen by Fox network as their main reporter for older soccer coverage as they bought the English rights To next two World Cups and then all the Concha cap events so I was very fortunate to be able to cross over in two thousand thirteen so as I said. Two thousand twelve was a very special year for myself and then two thousand thirteen follow with a bang. You know able to cross over and become the first Mexican broadcaster on on on the Fox network which me very proud of you know just accomplishing dot. So with that said The last seven years of my life. I've been able to not only Toronto south mode and promote my name but at the same time try to be an example and try to be a role model to the community of in very fortunate to achieve many different things in my life. But at this time I think I WANNA leave a legacy. I really yeah. Obviously you WANNA get paid. Well you WANNA make some money but at the same time I I really want to leave a legacy. So some of you mentioned hockey and I I was very fortunate. Thanks to many people within the Kings Organization to be able to re-met myself so This season I actually started working A consultant for the king so it was the first time that didn't make any money or I didn't make my money rebroadcasting I I started basically a guy thing their strategy when he comes to catering to the Latino community you know bringing celebrities that I know Into into games Relationships with companies with with other influencers at ten community events create bilingual content content. Just to many different things encompassing that that I was also made part of their Advisory Board which you know it's is a group of thirty people from very famous backgrounds from Hollywood producers to Rockstar so actors from seals to companies. And that's that's one of the things that was also very humbling for me being able to hang out and share moments with with these are great people Because they're not only very accomplished but they're also greatest just individuals themselves. So you know. I've tried to reinvent myself and try to leave a legacy to produce new things being able to as I said before become a role model for the community and I mean there's so many things I can tell you but one of the ones that come to my mind Before Long Beach State I went to welcome in college for three years and visist one of the first times that people will hear about this but I was actually named El Camino. Commencement Speaker for for the grant. You won't eat. Thank you but he won't happen. Coaching accomplishment is still there no it was amazing. It was amazing. But but let me tell you something I mean. Part of my what my speech was going to be you know was was about around the along the lines of hey if I get it you guys can do it. If I came to this country as an immigrant I was able to. You know comments an international student and and find my way through through school and Bay my way through school and everything you guys can do it. I mean it might be a dream but Just make it a reality and that's That's really what I wanna what I WANNA do when just I wanna make sure that everything I do from now on. Yeah of course as I said I WANNA get paid but at the same time. I want to make sure that these things that I'm doing are leaving legacy owner setting example for people that are coming after me and so they can't believe that they can actually do it. And and Yeah. It's great to become an example or let us on for Latinos that's great but at the same time just any kid the wants to follow a passion or a dream just so I can be that that That example is someone that can be of any help or support. That's beautiful said. He's on incredibly humble. And what about your journey? You Know I. I came here illegally to I. I was being brought over here as a child so the audience knows that story so I rather I rather here touch on yours. How did it go about like you know if you don't mind if it's not too personal you know like what did you come here? How was it transitioning into to school and to a different type of livelihood? It's a lot of people. Don't realize that it's a new culture. You might speak the language. But you're in a new area you probably. I can't speak for you personally but a lot of people come. They don't have friends and sometimes leaving family behind their by themselves. Most of the time or it's either with the group of a few of them. How was it for you? If it's not something too personal. Yeah it was. It was an interesting journey. Because you know going back to my family. My GRANDPA game here in the sixties right and he had Six daughters in in songs Total Reid might. My Dad was the youngest of the mall and a half of them. Came here to this country in full. My GRANDPA. My. My Dad was far the other half my dad. You know we. We did okay financially. I could say we were sort of. Upper middle class The spy the fact that my grandma was left alone with six kids in Mexico and in between her and and the oldest of my a- my uncles were able to get past those obstacles. And it's not easy to come from humble beginnings and be able to do something and I'm very proud of my uncle who Went to to Medical School and graduated became a doctor in office on our families. Face started changing right so I I'm very proud to say my family came from nothing and then we have become something and this is you know a a brand is but my uncle had a daughter will eventually became the most famous actress in Latin America and the First Lady of Mexico. I don't know if you watch novellus at all but I've got better. Who's my cousin is my biggest role model and that actually came a sad from my grandma trying to get Goals being a a a single a single mom and you know with six kids ride with my grandpa coming to this country and then my uncle sending that basketball and then my cousin being able to you know being you know by far the most accomplished nursing family right so as I said. I'm very proud to say that Yeah we might have a lauder or actually grew up comfortably but at the same time. It's because we inherited these because my grandma and my uncles on my dad really busted their butts to To get through in life right so my grandpa comes to this country My Dad decided to stay. But you know he actually like. I'm in the year. Two of these brothers riding seventy seven and then my dad started you know he always love as a very good baseball player himself in Mexico so You know used to comment on my my. My house was old decorated with dodger. Star Ryan we knew some people in in the business on my dad was able to meet people like Roy Campanella and Nolan Ryan and Fernando Valenzuela when he came he was I wouldn't say like a huge fan of my of my uncles but they knew each other. My my uncle wasn't one of my uncles wasn't ophthalmologist and used to give Fernando Sunglasses when when he came. And then Fernando would give him chicken exchange right so you know that that sports in baseball culture was always around my house I did not start really liking or get into baseball until nine hundred ninety two and then you know I became such a huge dodger. Fan that he basically my radically my lab roll around baseball. Ride Nola around sports in general but around baseball mostly so You're skipping passing by and I started coming on vacation. Stay near when my cousins going to dodger stadium and I really enjoy the lifestyle and I thought well. I rely baseball I was I was an okay player. Obviously not as good to become professional in Maimi. How'd I really put my heart into it? Maybe college like I went to Long Beach Jealousy and play their right. You know we have so many great teams exactly. So you'll my. My point was when I turned seventeen. I was like I really want to move to the US so one of my cousins said okay. I'll help heal sponsor you you can stay with me. I'll I'll take whatever you need to say my dad sending some money for me to get by right By that time I'm talking about nineteen ninety nine. Mls had been around for three years. So I thought well I really don't have any connections when he comes to soccer here in Mexico so I'm gonNA give it a try. Go to high school for my last year in the US and then try to get a skunk as a scholarship for for soccer. Go TO SCHOOL. Get drafted maybe going to MLS. Who knows right? So I saw like my head. It was all clear At the same time I also wanted to be a broadcaster because every time since you know I had my very first Nintendo Sports Games. I really wanted to I. I called my own games that even uneven playing on my own I had my imaginary booth and everything so I knew my lab on and bill and you have to do something around sports so I came to the. Us I I don't know if you're familiar with the heights area. You know. They went to school. Wilson Wilson is go. I lived in a few steps away. Extol Yeah exactly exactly you can actually see a big w right off the Zuza exit so stay with my cousin and I for me was going to be easy right this very good soccer player coming here staying with family. It's GonNa be all good I actually started pretty well On. People started noticing. That was a very talented player. I one of those at the principal calls me to the office first few weeks of school year. I'm like crab I like in Mexico Troublemaker right. Because I've always been the funny guy I got to like to entertain the people and then I guess hence I'm doing. This is what I'm doing right unshaven. Ntv right so I'm like what did I do? I'm not getting into trouble. A Bernie have any friends. He on the Culture so calls me in like wool. What can I do for you sir? And he's like well Francisco of really heard. Good things about you. I heard you really really good And talented soccer player on. I want you to help us win. Championships and You know because at the time Los Altos was always kicking our butts in every sport right so he comes to me with this sort of I don't I'm not gonNA say like I guess I'm like wow that really motivated me but that also grew my head at the same time right made it even bigger. I will always my eagle was has always been one of my biggest enemies and at the time I became so bigheaded that going into training. I didn't talk to other people like one or the other things that I remember my first practice. They were like rookie scary. The goals and people were looking at me as if I was gonNA carry everything and painted lines on. What not and I'm like guys. I'm a senior year and I'm the best way in the team. I'm not carrying goals and to me. I did not understand. It was a culture shock to because they like them. Being a rookie was being a first time player in the team not necessarily like a sophomore or freshman right. But I didn't understand it that way like I didn't when it was time to jog during practice. I didn't do it right like I always. I only wanted to have something to do with you. Know playing doing well and whatnot but it was not a team player and that was really tough on me because I eventually quit the team because I missed one week of practice for personal reasons and the coach put me on. The bench came in the second half. I wasn't comfortable and he told them if I'M GONNA pay a hundred dollars from ideas uniform And again I'm GONNA put me on games every single minute. I'm out so then I love started playing baseball for a little bit and then it was just too much and I quit school and I went back to Mexico. City was called the culture was just too much and I was very very As I said my my head was very big at the time so I was not ready to come into this country in Mexico. You can be a Dick shot but you come here and you realize that there's so many people that are equally talented and You're GONNA have to. You'RE GONNA have to struggle to to get to where you want to beat so that didn't really work out for me. That well and love people might say Yeah. I across the border. I had to swim at struggle. Run away from Border Patrol. I I'm not gonNA tell you. My Life was as tragic as that but my my drama was then again not being able to adapt to a new culture so I went back to Mexico. I finished school there but by the time I got into fashion. Which was music. I knew how to play the drums a little bit. I was the lead singer ban. But then that that Semester that I caught a helped me learn out guitar and all of a sudden I forgot about sports and I said you know. Screw it you know. I'm going to music and I started. Just play music Finish high school. I was ready to come back. I came back I I was able because of my cousins sponsor meal was able to get a student visa. went to Camino College. The catch was that since the visa was actually brought us here. I cannot leave the country so I once I moved here. Forget in two thousand and two others and able to move back or actually tweet them visit until two thousand nine so I was your for seven years without you. Know being able to leave the country But yeah yeah My Dad was always coming back and forth and I said I said family or so That's that's really how we want for me It was said he was not as a strategic as many other paths that people might be able to relate to but at the same time was one of the things that I can tell you. Get an I was like. I knew I was not going to get any help. The international students so I always wanted to more like I was able to find out. How can I get loans to go to school because for me like you can say? Yo El Camino College for anyone you pay. I think he used to pay fifteen bucks per unit for me was two hundred dollars per unit so once you go full-time to- Camino College. You're paying thousands. Long Beach State. You know people would like thousand bucks like a California resident used to pay like six thousand dollars semester for an international student so I really had to find my way to pay through school Get a social security number to work in school and then find a way to work in my career through school so these legal things that people don't really know about and when you come into this country obviously People don't want you to know shortcuts right because they don't want more immigrants coming to the country but I was able to find his shorts for myself. I can tell you again. It's social security number for me was health because I the way did. I started a requested to work at Long Beach State I think was weaned the bookstore. It was an accounting job right. It's just helping out with numbers. Whatever nothing too fancy up so they said yeah you can work here and so you can make some extra money part-time during school year and then you're in vacation. You can come and work fulltime for us so they help me get my social security number But at the same time the social security office in Long Beach was always giving me trouble so he took me actually six visits to finally get my number and this my my look or my sound crazy to you but you know it's you would never never in the world. Will you think that you would have communication with someone from the Social Security Office right? Any and people in the office felt so bad for me. I couldn't get my number. That cold me directly on my cell phone Francisco. We feel bad for you. But you're missing disfavor. Now your school for this this prove or that and it was. It was really weird to me but Even the security guards of the office would always say hi to me by I mean. They will renew M. Y. Was spending more time there than at school right. So you know again even though you might you might think my my bad was not so tragic. I really feel proud of everything that I accomplished because I can tell you that everything that I have until now I've had a lot of family and friends helping me along the way a law. Great People at work. But you know I've really really pushed hard to be able to become someone in this country as an immigrant and I feel very proud of my heritage but at the same time of really really proud of being American now. I swore my citizenship. Back in two thousand sixteen fast now so I. I am really really thankful to this country that has given me on my family so much. That's beautiful man. It's it's great. I'm glad you said you know in your word because One thing you know I could tell right off. The BAT IS Y-. You're not a quitter you don't give up you. Don't take the easy route. You go through it you do. Yeah they're sick of everybody has to you. Know you said the culture shock going mex-mexico the story didn't end there right. It could end. They'd gone to Mexico and done something else but no you drive gaffer success and he kept pushing so don't don't take it too lightly you know that your story was an ass traffic. Everybody has their own story. Everybody has their own journey. Yours doesn't sound easy by any means saw ladder. You kept pushing in that year you were able to achieve the success that you've reached that will continue to reach one of one of the best stories that I could tell. I don't know this is off the record band. WanNa tell it because it's true Your baseball guys. You might remember so marcus. The Umpire yes. He was asking the world series a few times so We're doing with in during the two thousand eleven world series when we got to his hotel room and gave the exits so nice which is weird. Because you know with empires they never give out interviews right more than ever actually public exactly and make sense because you don't want people you know. Basically busting their their balls for something that they recall or something like that. So it's understanding Alphonso West so nice and you know he's from second thank us I think so him and my my colleagues had a producer with me on camera guy They are talking about their journeys a year. And all of them you know about the way they came to this country and their stories where you will hardcore right and so they're all real talking right and then. I'll turn me any Spanish. She tells me Tell me on. So how do you cross the border exactly and I felt so bad like I feel privileged because I didn't have a story to tell right but then again as I said it's it's how you come into the country but it's about what you do here and how you become a valued member of the society and I can tell you like a lot of people feel so bad when and felt so bad when when our when our current president you know said what he had to say before he won the elections which to me was a lot of rhetoric rhetoric. And I don't WanNa really WANNA get into. Politics is not my thing but at the same time I I didn't feel I'm not GonNa say I felt offended just because I knew in my case it was not true and I knew that had become a valued member of society. So you you've ever wherever someone ever wanted to question my moral fiber and my values from what I've done to contribute. Come into this country you know. I have a recipe that speaks for itself. So you know it's it's it's been. It's been very hobbling sedate jobs. They're proud of having become a an American. That has contribute in so many ways to this country. At the mean Ye. Yeah like you said your resume speaks for itself so I mean not to make it a political one but yeah some things were said and and that's a great thing. There's people like you where you can point to and your story and be like no look the criminal where the drug dealer wear the murder where he's on TV. He's reporting the sports that that you're watching you know he's just doing in Spanish or in English and you know so that that's what I mean like role model. Sometimes you know kids don't know the role models until they get older like when you start seeing like oh man. Why did you want to be like Hi Marino? You didn't know you wanted to be like Halloween. Even though Vin scully is quote unquote the goat? We had hi Maureen because what he spoke our language. He looked like us so Myself person as I got older I was like we had our own schooling. Like which is crazy that the dogs were so lucky and fortunate to have the two best of their time at their peak. You know one in years one in Spanish and yet I was a huge vince. Gully Fan and high marine. I never really gave him the time of day. Because you know as I I learned the language and I started watching. Tv in English. Like I would watch the Games in in English but then now like not say today but you know in my younger twenties. I would reflect them. Be Like Dude. We had high marine. That was our had hyman myself. I mean They we had a game son on radio in Mexico until nineteen ninety six so I used to listen. Stay up because in Mexico Games would start at nine pm right to our different here. Yeah exactly so I would stay up as late as I could. Listen to the game while in junior high right so. I didn't get Vin scully on July third comment on vacation here. It's nine seventy five. I mean right away the silky voice all the stats and the stories. And that's like I consider myself a storyteller when I when I'm calling games right like I want to know those stories so that's why I loved it that kind of sailing which I try to bring stories together and find common ground between players and anecdotes things like that so I ride away. Obviously I noticed have been scully. Was that kind of that voice that kind of broadcaster but to me I mean higher was the first guy that really listened to it when I was You know Trying to or getting into the dodger culture and now that I think I've become a friend of the family. And I've shared microphones with a few times. You know that. It's a very humbling experience. So as you said is just trying to find that role model that person that you want you smuggle your life you know after a and I think you know as you said you know the this organization having to hall of fame broadcasters at the same time that's squadron accomplishment. I mean after you just the the behind the scene stories the tips hey rookie no kinda thing. That just sounds like like a book of an innovator South just stories. You could talk about a time that that sounds like A. Yeah because he was. He was very supported To me when I started going to dodger stadium when I was writing for a small newspaper here in La and he was always very supportive. He knew who I was but I think people could notice that I was a go-getter that I will always hustling and try to do something. And then actually I have to a lot of credit to to another voice of the La dodgers that Benegas all games with high for longtime FIFA. Was actually the Guy who helped me get into Fox Sports Spaniel which became Fox afford this? So those guys Neil then again that I was I don. I don't know if they knew if I was down could or not but they knew that I really wanted it right. I wanted to do what they did. so becker really helped me a lot. I mean even though I can tell you you know. Become a fan of of high family at the same time. I I can see there you traffic you to influence in my life. Because he I mean he was the guy that put him in touch with the people that need to doctor right. So I I mean there's just so many dodger organization but yeah just just being able to do. I don't I don't know if I big their brain much I am say said I have a Beagle. I am very proud So I don't know I like I try to do things for myself by myself. I'm very proud that way so I try not to big people's People's brains. How they do things. I'd rather actually take those tips myself but you know sharing the stories like I was I recently got nominated for a southern California sports broadcasters award and I went against High May and I lost But I feel like you know I lost my hurry. I lost again the best in the country. So you know it's it's not bad. I'm not gonNA feel bad about razzle. We're laughing about it and I'm telling him stories about When I used to like he has a say Yesterday the end Alaska she doesn't mean Pueblo. Like in the hassle far away which for him meant. I already know that you know the Games already been decided right and it takes me back to the. Us In one thousand nine hundred. Forty badgers were swept by the reds. And I remember listening to my friends. You know to the game on my friend's house and reimburse saying that yesterday the endless 'cause he doesn't need web he goes like the dodgers from listening to the reds and there were swept and I remember telling him that story and we're just laughing about it so then again. It's it's not only about really the the chips or the or the rookie recommendations. But it's it's about the stories that you can share with people because you actually live them somehow right. He was calling the game. I was listening to the game so technically I was part of it to now. My only way and a real quick You know a lot of time with the wards. It's just about domination. You know like like you said he won. But it's like I don't have to win you know. I'm just glad to be part of the conversation like just just being nominated. I think is a worthy achievement in itself like that's incredible to those are your peers. You know like put it that way you know like they consider you on that par with timing hiring. I think that that's almost as good as winning like yeah. I think you have to have confidence in yourself and one of the things that I learned after accomplishing so many things at a young age you have to play the part where you have to believe in yourself and you have to make sure you enjoy everything that you do so going back to thousand twelve right so I get so many things don in so many achievements in one calendar year but I go back to two thousand ten. That's the time when I started calling Laker Games. When Fox Sports West used to produce games in Spanish and I remember just being in my boots and I was thinking about many many other things not enjoying what I was doing. And you know people can be like. Are you serious? You're getting to seek Kobe. Bryant Kobe Bryant live right one of the best players of your generation and in the history of basketball. You're seeing foulis all. You're seeing his great bench with Jordan farmer and Ronnie Tori often sasha voyage and Lamar Odom is it was. It was a great. Yeah it was agree Laker team right but the one that won the title in in two thousand ten some sitting my booth and just thinking about other personal issues that I had and you know me not being happy and then I started going back and I'm like are you serious. How can you nonni joy this? I mean people would actually pay to being. You're in your you know your position to be in your shoes and I wasn't really enjoy myself so then I started thinking you know what I'm GonNa feel proud of every single thing that I do. It doesn't matter if it's going to the bathroom at Staples Center or actually calling an an NBA finals game. But I'm going to be very proud of everything that I'm doing because I accomplished it because I because it was something that I did to being disposition because I think when you I started this business when I was twenty three and as I said I I did I call the world series game a reporter Wells Fargo broadcasts assignment reporter. Twenty four was going to school so things start happening to happening to you very very in your life like almost making sixty years working on TV. By the time. I was twenty four. So you you started losing your ground you start stepping on a little brick of yourself getting big headed and you forget about how you you know. You'll became where you are. How you went places so I I think what you mentioned you know being in the same category as legends as other legends. Like you have to feel proud about that and you have to You have to feel proud about everything that you do in life. And that's another lesson that I learned. It doesn't matter where you've got an always remember where you were. You came from. Always remember that I Ben Mold that you recorded or that or the people that helped you tape that Demo. Who Help you get to that spot and everything that you do. It doesn't matter if it's big or small for other people for you mean the world and those are some of the lessons that I've learned. These are more than professionally. Their lessons of life itself about how to be able enjoy it and at the same time. I think I might get into the baseball hall of fame because I haven't called baseball continuously for twenty years like other people but to me. It doesn't matter like I'm leaving my own hall of fame. I've accomplished things that I've wanted to accomplish. I've been able to share those moments with my family. So you know I I feel happy and I'm proud of of the place where I'm at right now. Man You keep killing it and that's why you're so great at what you do. You have a way with words and you a way to say these stories looking forward you know. Obviously you know post quarantine post Cova ninety hopefully resolved and everybody. I don't know what the normal is you know. But the sporting events so I don't WanNa say let's say in six months I don't WanNa say in twelve months. 'cause we don't know what the landscape is going to be. But as you personally like what? What are you moving forward in the future? When everything's back to normal I get. It might be a new normal. They're talking about you. Know basically with no fans at the beginning but I mean what is in in your perspective in your moves. What's the next step? What were you headed? Well it's been. It's been a tough stretch. I'm not too and unfair this. I would like to commend Jack Harris Writer for the La Times wrote an amazing article and included me amongst some other voices of La's ports and we all talked about how it is for us right going through this and you're a big baseball fan. So Joe Davis wasn't dot article. Brian Semen from the clippers. Alex fouls from the kings and that was part of that group about how Elliot voices are are are going through the struggle for everyone right I know in my case I would. You know talking about the clothes that included you know. I remember telling him. How am I gonNA make couple income that I'm losing love? People Are Ready. Full-time were there They have a contract a lot of the work that I do is as a freelancer. So you know. I'm very fortunate to keep to have get my job on channel sixty two. It's today at two on still the sports anchor. Don't go in live from my house via skype And then I do Anneli. Afc show for them as well. We just we actually signed a contract with L. AFC star broadcasting. Their Games is year. I was made the boys of Spanish Voice Valley. That's not happening for a while. I guess but in the meantime we're reacting classic Games right so for me it's been Like what I did last month. I started like I said I. Reinvented myself as a consultant. for different teams. I also work. Second sold in helping companies Going or expanding to Latin America. So the right now. There's been a the same way that a lot of people are struggling. There's been a lot of needs for different products and different types of work around the world so I was really. I got into a business venture trying to help some people here from you here in the US expand into Latin America and Mexico specifically so That really kept busy for the last three weeks right like I'll watch reading sleeping. I was I was in the middle. You know awake in the middle of the night. I've always been a late sleeper but at the same time I was saving hours today at Times. Not Sleeping so a lot of people told me. Well you know how you adapt insists. And I'm like I'm busier than I was before. This actually happened right A Lot. I know people. They're sending each other challenges for pushups or juggling the ball and whatnot. I'm guys I you know I. I didn't get invited. Twenty starters but at the same time even if I had I didn't have time to do it like right now. I'm getting sometimes breed right now. I am married. I don't have kids but I have a cat so I am. I'm trying to give them more time or my time right now. Because I know that this is very unfortunate. I've lost a lot of money and the amount of light that But at the same time I got to see what what why this is happening. Right if for me like we'll coke with with things differently and if this is going to be an opportunity for me to bond with my family even deeper because I was busy all the time before because I was worrying seven days a week at four three gigs. In one day will be like. I'm going to try to really value time with my family. A of how this is going to end up. I honestly don't know and I don't want to talk about things that are being said Behind the scenes of how this is going to end up how this is going to happen because a lot of times people tell you all sports are going to get back to normal. That doesn't mean anything to ride because you know sports. Are you back to normal for athletes? But I don't I don't know if my job is going to be secure. I I WANNA be positive and thing. Yeah I'm GonNa have something and there's some things in the works and hopefully there's some things that's something that I'm working on that I should be able to announce in the next month. I guess which really excited about new big project for me So I'm staying busy man I have. There's not like I'm getting time to breathe right now but at the same time for someone who would lose who has financial responsibilities settle household and someone who leaves the live style The way I leave my lifestyle. I'll have to make money so you know I feel and then got I wanNA have some time to right now but you know in two days and it's time to get back to creating and reinventing myself once again and trying to see what's going to happen so right now. The only thing I can tell you about tonight. I have to connect from home to my new guests And Tomorrow I. I honestly don't know what's going to happen and then checking day by day. They said it's not the best situation. We're all struggling But you know I. I can't look to the future I have to again. Yeah exactly not even tomorrow. I have to leave my life today. Just have fun like I'm sitting down and talking to you. Join this moment and later on. We'll start playing fee phone xbox then later. I'm going to play with my cat. Her you know go buy coffee with my wife because right now. That's probably one of the only things that we can cherish together right now. We can go out except for going to the supermarket to get off your eye. So that's your memory today so rely I'm not I can't tell you what I'm GonNa do but the only thing that I that I know is that I'm wondering really hustle and I'm GonNa make sure I give my best to Reinvent myself and to rediscover. What's going to happen after this for me as you said before? I'm not a quitter man. So you know it's just about finding what my place in this new world would be and just going from there. There's no doubt in my mind. Whatever you decide to do or how you do it. You'RE GONNA do great at a you're GONNA Excel. I appreciate what I know of you. And what? I've the little snippet of that you shared with us today. Part of your life who you are. You're successful for a reason. You know so I appreciate you coming on. I don't WanNa take up too much of your time. 'cause I know you do like you said you have a busy schedule and you. This is kind of like a leisure time and so I want you enjoy fief I want you enjoy your family so you know this is a man if you have if you I I love talking to be on one of the reasons why is because I love talking so feel free if you have any more questions WanNA throw my way. You never know what's GonNa Happen Tomorrow. So Jen get back on the not ticket. Yeah I'll take advantage. You know. Okay so put me in a hypothetical situation. There's a kid or now stuck in quarantine. He was GonNa go to college next year. He's in high school. He doesn't know quite what to do but he's hearing this episode and he's saying to himself. Hey He's GonNa look you up right. Maybe he's not familiar with you. He's GonNa look you up. He's going to see your compliments. He'll say I want to do that. How would you guide them to do that? Not Say to be the next Francisco extra better but to be his own person but Kinda let him know like of course. You know the hard work and I'd rather let you say when I when I started My internship with Fox. I remember a lot of people. I was a junior right and even when I started I remember Someone that has become my best friend. One of my best friends and mentors. Who was the person that hire you back then Her name is Celeste. Gehring used to be an executive at Fox. I remember her saying that. You know for me to communist junior and get an internship was great but they would not hire anyone until they would. They actually graduated from From call that's right And then what happened six months later during my junior year I got offered a job as a production assistant right. Why did that happen because I wanted to? Always you'll do something outside the box. I wanted to go above and beyond anything. I had some task thrown my way. I wanted to make sure you was done well and not only well but better than person right next to me and I I was there for four years I mean for four. Semesters if you will Before I started on air and then I actually left Fox To be on air right But I so so many entrance coming and going right and then of those. How many are actually actually accomplish something? I probably none of them. But you know what I always like I said to myself I I want to being business. Someone who do the best that I can say to everyone? I'm not going to be shy to if I see one of the big bosses shy talking to them if I see a big Like a big celebrity like I remember meeting Warren Moon. For example. Right I know wasn't shy to go and talk to Warren Moon I remember Meeting Young Gal that I've met and that I've shared so many on camera moments reasonably another love to death as Patrick O'Neal He was one of the hosts for Fox sports west back then. He's still is fifteen years after an arena. Talking to battery can just asking him for buys. When I met him there. My interesting beers at Fox neal was always kind and right now because of the kings we share so many camera moments together and that was part of the key for me. Like I WANNA meet you. I'm going to pick your brain about how to get to where I'm WANNA get but I'm Never GonNa Forget that you did that for me right. A lot of people are just shy and they don't talk to people they just do whatever they're you know they're interested in titles and they leave But he was on my case. I knew I needed to go on beyond to talk to people I wanted to. I need to make my presence felt and hurt and you know it was the way was and and some of the people Actually that generation up production people actually has produced a lot of great talent Back then at Fox Are you familiar with Theresa Thompson? Yes sir POPs NFL of. I'm sure you are. Parisa was was working. Hr I think she was an intern at the same time. I was And she's become one of the top talents in the country. She's extra and NFL on Fox. I'm just so proud are and I see her On on on Sundays at Fox when when I call football there and we talk and I'm like man. Can you believe we've actually made so far for us? We're just young kids just coming in and trying to get a place and but you know you can tell like for her in her case she. She's only not very very good looking but she sold talented what she does. She says she has stage presence in that command like you talking to her in where seeing seeing for the first time you knew she was going to get blazes another guy that. I work with Doing production at the news desk at Fox was Elliot Harrison from the NFL network. You know he's he's a he's a big guy at NFL dot com also coming on doing segments on TV as well and Elliott and I used to sit. Sit Right next to each other and While we're actually booking satellites or trying to book an interview with Ken Rosenthal to you know for Fox sports west or something like that. We're actually just in each other with baseball and football trivia right so I remember You know talking to those guys in the time. We didn't know we were going to. You know get made make it to the major leagues. Maybe maybe we did but at the same time so I mean the concern was getting through the day right getting paid and doing our jobs but you know what we all became accomplished and successful in our own field in our own waste. So I mean the only thing not to deviate too much from your question. You know the fact that matter is just may relationships man networking. That's going to be the key for you. You can. If you really WANNA get make it find is business. You can be shy. You need to make sure you make your presence. Her and you also need to make sure you find what makes you unique in this business I always say that you know I might. I might sound like a broken record but Yeah you have to find what makes you unique in my case Going back to when I talked to pay from the dodgers and I said I wanNA become a broadcaster while he hooked me up with the people from Fox's Spaniel so in my case what made me you need was the fact that I had recently moved from Mexico that my Spanish was perfect and I could become a Spanish broadcaster and then I noticed on the Spanish side of things Fox had a lot of great products. They had failed at him. Oh be they had the NBA but everyone wanted to call soccer and everyone knew soccer but mill being born and raised in Mexico City. Which is very very Diverse Metropolis you know we love our NFL. We lover MLB. And I knew a lot of according quarter American sports so I thought that made me unique so I focused eventually got into soccer because it was night bath right but I knew the calling baseball. You know I was going to be able to get in because they were not so many baseball broadcasters same with football same with MBA So I try to find ways to get into the business and the great thing about it too was the way television. Entertainment work usually start in small markets and eventually started? We'll be not but I was already living in La. I had nowhere to go. And that was not gonNA move to a small market so for me that small market if you will was Spanish television in Los Angeles and I eventually got to where I wanted to get. Thanks to finding that niche Business or that section of entertainment where I could be comfortable and then become someone a unique situation right. But it's because you play to your strengths like you said I think you downplay think you're humble but thank you downplay but yeah. That's your talents. Led you to that success while you know. The circumstances were different but Also let me see off the top of my head but you know what just to it ever. Everyone's down. I mean. This world has a surplus of talented people. But you need more than talent. Get by and you know your baseball guy and Ken Griffey. Junior for example might have been the most talented baseball player that ever lived. But why doesn't he have the home? Run RECORD WHY? Why did he accomplish more? I don't know I don't want to be too hard. But there's a reason why he didn't become the best player ever right even though I think he must must be the most down to player ever and you see so many nothing too hard in junior. He's amazing but I came to my head. There's a circle of Itali- but Y Y music same thing. What do you look at person at some people college players? And you're like this and I was so talented. Maybe he liked to drink. Maybe he didn't like the train. Maybe who wasn't disciplined? But Yeah I mean I appreciate you for calling me talented but yeah. There's so many people right next to me. That are talented but at the same time you have to want it you know or you have to be in the right place and the right time. So it's a combination of factors again that that you have to have in order for you to to to become the person you want to become while said there's there's there's let's say there's other students right. They don't know how to even get into these doors. You know an internship like what classes should they take? What you know. What program KINDA SCHOOLING? Do they do small you know? I don't want to hate on anybody but those type schools those University of Phoenix. 'cause I think now they even offer. I've seen it What's it called broadcasting network school something like that they offered like in order. You know. That's how they apiece to the to the crowd like you WanNa be on sportscenter like make sure come check out like what what would be your recommendation for these two. I don't know how thanks I right now but I can tell you about my experience back then I as I said I was a junior And I know the school required you to To do an internship right and you need to do something with your career because I remember one of my teachers telling me if it doesn't have anything to do with your career you don't get any college credits. It's basically favorite. And that's the word that he used right. It makes sense you. You're not gonNA work anywhere for free or give your time for free without getting college credit so your school has to authorize you to to get that internship And the way I did. I basically just starting doing research. I basically just started going on websites and trying to mutual basically look for internships on Remember Twentieth Century Fox at this opportunity in the sports department for Fox Sports Net And that's away found it and I went to my interview. A nine nailed it. Although I another great story I can tell you the person who hired me. Noah's area and I think she. She showed love empty because I was laid to the interview. I actually showed to the Fox. Lot in Pico. That's where they feel all the movies and everything which is a busy place. I shut up at eight fifty five for nine interview. I just didn't know they were going to be twenty other people trying to get into the lot at the same time actually showed it's my interview like nine and I needed to walk a lot. After parking it was it was a little messy but everything else went pretty well. And that's the reason why you are talking right now but That's that's really what I did so if it was the same way I could tell you just google you sportscenter ships or you're going to like if you. WanNa go into sports you know going to the ESPN website Going through the Fox website. Just try to find what like wherever you want to work. Just be practical on. Cbs or NBC. Whatever or even right now. The world has changed months before when I was when I started doing this. Sports teams never looked at At Yahoo or or like websites or even blogs as anything they look down at them and right now. Some of these blogs and especially with Emma May in boxing yet. They've kept sports alive because network network Networks or some some. Tv stations are getting too much into it. So right now it's a different story so I would say whatever you WANNA work. You could Yahoo. Sports bleacher report doesn't need to be TV only but But websites print media whatever just trying to look at different places and try to see their accepting entrance and then follow the requirements from your school. And that's it. I remember when I was going to Long Beach State. They actually had a broadcast internship. Class the only through credits. The only thing you need to do is go and just talk about your internship. Talk about your experience. We didn't class. That was so so. I think there are ways to do. You gotta dig a little deeper And just try to find whatever makes you comfortable. Whatever will get you to where you want to get and just thinking you know like you mentioned it you know like of course you know the comfort. I think you know the money the but you touch on the more as far as the legacy. What type of legacy do you WANNA leave? I said I I mean in my own mind. I'm in my own hall of fame. I know I have done everything that I've wanted to do. So far when he comes to broadcasting which has led me a set reinvent myself. I think I'm always GONNA be on. Tv Mosey on beyond radio broadcast by nature. But at the same time what else can I do to To make sure I leave something I remember. One of the things that We've been working on in my role as a consultant for the Kings. We actually We started you'll with a with an ice hockey rink in Mexico City to take their junior kings program there which is historic Because you will be the first time any sports team in the US. Any kind of sport. Any Professional League is actually Mexican. That type of program and I can tell you I was very fortunate to be architect of it to get the people that I we we needed to get and get the connections that we needed to get with the help of my wife when needs some people in the business in Mexico and we were able to strike this deal with the Kings on. Fortunately we were about to go to Mexico in March but we had to cancel it because of covert nineteen. But you know we had a lot of kids already interested luck. Kids already registered for our first clinics down there the first time we're GONNA have presence in Mexico so it's things like that where you know you. WanNa take a kings ran into Mexico and that's historic in. Its Own Right. Maybe think about the first. Nhl In game in Mexico ever. Those are the things that I want to do like globeop beyond the I feel like what I do and I think I am good or I want to believe. I'm good at what I do but at the same time. What else can I do so broadcaster? Oh can I do it as a consultant? Can I bring people together like the the deal with l? Afc An area today like I. I was a huge advocate of that. I really wanted to connect those places together and now l. EMC will be seen at some point with this is over you know. L. AFC will be seen on a study up at some point. And it's not only because I am going to be the one calling the games but I wanted to make sure on wollen something more than that or when we have the first kings game on tv on we actually aired it on. Brian Tick like I was not only the broadcasters but I went in I brought talented and I I was You know a part time producer in the show like I needed to know that everything that was doing everything has gone gone to a air. I'd some control over like everything that I do. Now it's it's not only about just controlling something but making sure like if I want to be tied up to something or my name is GonNa be tied up to something. It's going to have the quality that I are. GonNa leave up to my standards so anything that could be considered part of La La sports history. I WANNA part. Do you know what makes a best selling book bestseller? What makes a book bestseller? Yeah I dunno bestselling content like something that everybody relates to. I don't know if you've ever thought about it but you need to write a book on your journey your your thoughts at different stages in your life the the ups and downs the whole. 'cause it's one thing you know. I not tell people. Don't listen to this episode. This has been great but I feel like maybe you know once you get older once you because I know that sounds like you have a lot of things in the works but you have a bestseller and you share with the world yet. You know what? There's just so many anecdotes in so many different things and I don't. I don't necessarily live them because I know that I'm going to write a book at some point but I I think I've been very fortunate to leave so many different moments in my life that I feel proud of having lift and doesn't necessarily include sports but I've been through sports. I've been able to give my family great moments of joy. I've been able to meet some of my idols. Not only sports but in music I have met a lot of people that idolized and hanging out with become friends with a lot of wood rockstars and former athletes that I looked up to when I was a kid right and those things are. There is obviously some anecdotes that you can. You can talk about some that you can't you know. I know off the record. But but you know what you know. Some of those stories are amazing. Yeah I think I thank you for the for the advice. It's something I really hadn't thought about but definitely and you need to. Its to happen at some point because I guarantee you like there's there's a dull moment in my life and and by that I'm not I don't necessarily mean you're going to See or read a book of Sex Drugs and rock and roll right on my lifetime boring. Because I don't drink donald smoke. I don't do drugs. I am happily married right like my my Levy to other people but I can tell you man. I have so many different stories about you. Know hanging out with with athletes and celebrities or anecdotes of my on my own life and everything. So yeah why not. Thank you for advise. Believe me when that happens. I'm definitely going to be reading the book I look forward to that. That'd be crazy but now man just hearing you brought on a lot of guests some France. Some strangers not senior stranger. But you know people you know not acquaintances. If you will and just hearing your story I feel not only as it resonated with me. You know a Mexican immigrant myself. I mean I just kind of like there's like you said people tell me. Why should I start a podcast? You Know People WanNA listen to mine is in about me. It's about the guests but it's on. I'm nobody and I bring people on this story and I bet to the fair and I think that's if you allow me on anything. Don't don't don't ever say that I mean we're all in this world for a reason and honestly if you're an old buddy I wouldn't be talking to you right so so you know feel and that's what I said before it's taken me back to what I said before. Make sure you make sure you feel proud of anything and everything that you do right. We'll we'll have a part in this world. Just just gotTa find what you WANNA do. But but Massage and. I'm sorry I'm sorry if I'm getting to the into. Thanks but no to feel topical issues or whatever but no no. You're you're you're a guy just you know any of you. Don't feel that way then. Make sure you you You Meditate in and you get to to to the point where you find that that that reason or that that I appreciate the kind words and I do meditate daily now. I did twenty challenges with the listeners. Meditation was one of them so I've been only one day so far on the you're having done it but I mean I'm confident in my ability. I like what I'm doing. This is fine. This is a hobby but it is. You know it's been taken off the quarantine out of everything that's bad. This has really taken off. I think 'cause nobody has anything to do and they're tired of excellence tune in and it's really taken off but What I mean as a means nobody is a my compliments are not grand you know yes every job I go to. I ended up being a manager Being a supervisor things like that you know my accomplishments on the field were like he's the best team you can have. But I was never the best player. So I'm I'm aware of my capabilities but what I mean is like I get musicians to come out here and Cheddar story. You know I get a psychologist coming here and talk about everything that's going on at the boarding or how these kids will be The the the spare they're going to deal with for the you know the the rest of their life. You know being separated from parents so I don't mean like a nobody has a nobody like I'm very confident person in in life. I'm happy and all that but I just made like getting people like yourself. It's not about me is what I mean. The show is about the people that come on. You know the cool kids table. Podcast is the cool. Could you are the cool kid people to hear what happens at the table? That's what I meant. I but I appreciate the kind words but yeah and that's what I I've seen that people resonate with the casino like like you said my journey wasn't I can't remember exactly how you said it but people want like a tragic story in like but everybody has different tragedies in their life and they deal with the differently some people would acquit. That's put maybe maybe you don't see because you're such go-getter but some people would have been. You know what was hard school was hard. They wanted me carry these things. I'm I'm not a rookie. And that would have been a for a lot of people for larger. And that's why like I mentioned earlier. You you kept going after. You didn't stop. And it's one thing that we all deal with failure in different types away bumps in the road if you will you know. Everybody has a different story and some people will say. Yeah I remember when I started this new job. Everybody whatever and I couldn't do it so I quit. But that's not where the story ends. They go and a lot of times. People think like we tend to look at the person next to us. And then you know what? This dude had a dizzy or this girl you know. They inherited money or you know they had. They had a great connections or whatever we'd never think about whether people have to go through to make sure they They they accomplish something in life. Unac- some great example. That I can that I can give you So I talked about my cousin. Big Huge Actress and then you've got to the First Lady. Mexico her daughter Sophia Castro. Who you know. I I like to give a shout out to. She's become an actress in her own right. She recently did The Spanish version on univision of all dancing with the stars. Which is the umbrella and she got to the final and she didn't win a which was a travesty to me but it is what it is. My point is a lot of people might think it is easy to become an actor when your mom is so famous when your dad is a famous soap opera producer. When you have all the money in the world and we know what people don't tend to think man. I have so much pressure to achieve something. Because of the foods have to follow people are blasting me on social media every single freaking day. Tell me that I don't deserve what I've done that. I don't have to get what where I've gone because you because of my my family because of connections because my money and we don't tend to think of those things are those pressures right even like it will look at our president and then again. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT POLITICS. I'm talking about the businessman. Donald trump lot people tend to think well he was a businessman key went bankrupt this and that but he survived for reason ride because he was witty or because he was clever about his own. Business even you think about Bill Gates. I mean. I'm sure Bill Gates and Steve Jobs Failed Multiple Times before getting to where they they wanted to get so like we all fail. It doesn't matter how famous you are. We all go through depression. We'll go through a through misery in our own right But a lot of these your Farrah's do think well. The person right next to us is just famous because he's famous and because he's rich and he didn't have to go through anything. I think we all whatever we've done in our lives. Even I think success is something that's in our heads But what we have accomplished or not. I think you have to understand that again. What you have done to get to that point and at the same time thing also that everyone successful or that you consider successful as gone through something and has gone through their own struggles to become the person that they can come and and that's one thing that I touch on repeatedly with the audience is don't compare yourself to compare yourself to yourself. You know. Be Better than you were yesterday and be better than you were last week a month ago a year ago. Just perfection isn't the goal you know progresses. If you're doing better being better getting better you'll stop comparing yourself to others because a lot of people tell me you know I. I wish I could have an audience like you don't make I started with nothing. Nobody nobody came in. Listen you know. At the beginning. It had to build itself over time and you know now that it has listen that it has followers that it has I guess quote unquote fans. I'm like that wasn't the case you know where where. Where was it when people you know I look at the stats and the Tortellini listens? Luckily I have a great group of Friends of a quaint have supported me but when it's just Kinda like you look at the numbers you're like it's probably just my friends and you know it like not to pat myself on the back but a lot of people would have quit. I know they have because they talk about it on the forums. You know like I did to three episodes manolas and and I just kept saying you know long-term pictured long-term Richie. I'm doing this for five years down the road in a actually. Today is the thirtieth. Our our one year anniversary was last week on the twenty-third. Thank you and you know. And it's a thing that I look now and I'm like okay. Don't do it for. I'm not going to be Joe Rogan. I don't WanNa be Joe Rogan. I don't WanNa be Brennan Shop. I don't WanNa be these guys. You know they. They're their own person. I WANNA be Hector I WANNA have this show continue to bring people on like yourself and just watch it grow. If it doesn't grow you just have that audience at tunes in and enjoy. You know I'm doing it for me. It sounds selfish but I'm doing this for me. I treasure these moments these conversations and to be honest with you. I talk about all the time. I don't know when I when I start but I don't listen to this again. I'm saving for down the road you know like I don't know maybe episode one hundred. This would be episode thirty in a year. Mrs Episode Thirty. Maybe at one hundred. I'd be like okay now. It's been two three years I can go back and start listening to them. See the growth of the show. See the growth of me as a person but I just kind of. That's why I treasure the moment that's why I kinda I live in the moment I planned for the future but I live in the moment and unders grateful for people like yourself that will take time day and come and do this and to make not a motivational one. But I tell people like if I can do things I say no. I'm legal immigrant. I did not speak English till the third grade. And how people tell me like your vocabulary is so vast. How do I just read this year? One of the challenges is read sixteen books on the year. I'm barely gonNA finish one today. I'm trying to do it before April but on the on the regular I used to read but now it busy being so busy and everything and I tell you if I can do it of all people you know I didn't go to college I took two semesters in college and I realized that I was. It was not for me at the time you now as an adult as a thirty one year old male. I say I wish I would have done things differently but I'm still grateful the journey you know. I don't think I'll ever write a book but I have the stories to be able to say. Hey look it wasn't easy. They were days when I thought about it like why. Am I going to go just work? Twelve hours at my job and I gotTa go record a two or three hour episode and then go at it for three hours and then worked for another twelve hours tomorrow like. Why am I doing this and then I just do it? You know? Enjoy the conversation meet somebody great and then on the drive home. I still live. I mean I lived in a month. I'm not sure you're familiar with it. You said you went to. I went out of you. I lived there for thirty years and I just moved out to Moreno Valley so I was driving an hour hour and a half daily and then an hour and a half back home and then I just kept saying this is going to pay off in the long run. Just keep doing it. And that's what I talked to the audience right now. You know we'll do. They call it breaking the third wall like a Lotta shows will not say hey. Audience what Et. I'll ask them. Shoot me a damn if you'd like to tell me what you think about this because I feel like it's a new media and then I don't know how many people but you know sometimes when I have a musician on or another podcast of like oh I'm GonNa message that person you know. I really like what they said. GonNa listen to this show so I don't know if you'll get any messages or anything like that but what I mean is like you said now working this is they could go back and listen to this episode. And that is part of the network. You know it's a new venture you know. If they ever start a podcast could go back and say thank. You said that episode made me kind of like okay. This is what I want to do. I WANNA do a youtube channel cooking channel Woodworking whatever it may be but it's just sometimes people need those words you know. I could tell them their family could tell them that but when somebody that has a credentials like yourself to go out there and say hey you know if I could do it you can do it. That's when it starts like okay. Okay you they hear your background story because they might see you on TV but they don't you know like some of my favorite people on on TV. Arstan Vera and Neil. Evert the ten PM sports guys but I don't know much about them you know. I love their onscreen presence. But I don't know much about them. I know that One of a went to Oregon the other ones from Louisiana KC issue Oregon. That's talk about you know but once you get if you were to know their story things change. And that's what I want to say. What you like your great onscreen personality. You do a great job but they might just see you and go out okay while the Laker Games. Overlay machines channel while dodger games over. Let me change the channel. You know. Let's watch out on whatever might be on after ten pm right maybe sportscenter and once they get to hear you and see your struggle. See your successes. It makes you more relatable not just because. Oh that's a brown person on TV you know. That's a person of. That's one of us. It makes it more like that's that could be me. Which is invaluable. I think to your point And this is not lasting anybody or anything but you need to like in today's World. You need to be relatable and that's need to expand your brand and that'll that it will only help you and I understand people will maybe not needed because you know they're already famous or whatever but you know for someone who's not the most famous person in their professional life myself But those okay either way I feel I genuinely anytime that I need to talk to people but I enjoy. I actually genuinely enjoy talking to fans and interacting times. There's I mean being very honest with you. I am very careful now with the people that I interact with because I've had you know I'm not telling you that I get bombarded with messages on social media but I've had a couple of bad experiences you know I've had the usual stalker. Which has you know there. There was this time and not a lot of people know about this. There was this time when this girl actually I think she got obsessed with me and she wants. I wanted to Nana graphing picture. And then I actually never met her and she contacted my wife telling her that we were together. Hotel in one of my My my my travels lewin soccer. You know so I've been. I've been very careful nowadays with WHO I? Why replied to when you you were kind enough to me on social media and Telling me that you have to do this. And that's why I follow the same radical for everyone send me an email To My to my work or company. Bmi working they'll send me details that may have the record. Let me know what you're about. I obviously listen to to borrow your. You know your last show with With Ron Savage The the baseball coach so I mean I do. I have to do my own research. It's my brand to be honest with you I. It's it's my name and I. I am not going to be associated with something that I believe in it at the same time you call me. I don't WanNA through your product. It doesn't matter how big or small you are I'm not gonNA come on the show right so it's but for me. I genuinely enjoy it I remember with the Kings one of the things that have that helped me in my consultant role. In in terms of knowing my audience was interacting with people. We would have to give away tickets on every game. And what did I do? I actually have people replied to me on my social media with the answer and then I will be the one interacting with people during timeouts right and then. I remember a lot of people tong coming to me in English despite being a Spanish broadcast. I'm like this interesting. Why is this happening? And then I came to the realization that a lot of hockey audience here in La is Like first or second generation Latino who speaks mostly English but enjoys a Spanish skull or enjoys into the game with their parents riding their parents speak. I am Jacqueline. Your demographic exactly so that that's my point and and that's because of something that I did but at the same time I'm not gonNA tell you talking to people are being nice to just a marketing tool. I mean I genuinely enjoy you know mingling with people and talking to people I mean I said I haven't gotten to that point where I can walk. You know within Staples Center because people are just GonNa drop me it's not. It's not bad for the same time anytime someone approaches me or someone sent me a message. I'm going to be kind enough to To actually knowledge them and one of the things you do need to have an attitude and you need to be proud of yourself and you need you. You obviously can't be Tend to take advantage. And that's just the way this you cut out for a second. Can you hear me? I'm sorry no no you're good you're good know you're good. You Risk Ladder yet. But my point is you need to have some kind of Of personality attitude you will because you're nice to people. People tend to take advantage and it is what it is. If you're too nice unique to not you know the fine line between being you know having that attitude not be an asshole you know But I remember just going back to my childhood in once again going back to my family my cousin when she was a peek over career. I remember going to my school and big mobbed by other kids because they want an autograph or picture and going to theme parks and seen her give every single person. That approach or an autograph. Right so I I learned about that and I learned to be humble because of example that I saw in my life so right now whenever I see Hollywood celebrity or an athlete being a jerked will fan. There's no excuse for that in my. I mean you might have a bad day and unfortunately it is what it is but there's just too many people to have too many bad days right And that's that's very unfortunate because you never know who you're GonNa meet or you're GonNa be nice to win and if you're going to change that person's life I've seen so many athletes and celebrities being too nice to people and have been some mothers. I've seen some other being jerks I've actually lived through it myself as I said. I've been very fortunate to meet a lot of rockstars that I looked up to and there were so nice to me and talk to me. Maybe because I'm akins broadcaster exempt TV. Now I don't know how they would have brought me. They had not been in all entertainment. Or whatever. But I'm not thinking about that. I'm just thinking this person was supervised. I'm grateful for that moment. And at the same time I've been through the usual moment where someone has been jerked. It is what it is right but I you know going back to me specifically I. I really enjoyed talking to be boy. I enjoy mingling with people and I enjoy getting feedback to when you know one of the things that I feel very proud about is. There's one thing that I remember when I was calling games for Fox on the English side and that was I was going to be decided on a reporter for Mexico against the US. I don't know how much soccer you follow but the US had never lost to Mexico in US soil right and they had been you know being in Columbus every time and this was a very cold November evening in Columbus and Mexico. Actually got the game but you know. I was racing my bottom. But that's that's another point what I remember. Is this guy Caucasian probably twenty. Something year old comes up to me. And I'm like this is going to be giving me a hard time. Because I mean there were no Latinos there at the stadium. That's that's for sure. There were probably Mexican fans that role from other places and I remember talking to the Guy. Being Monterey telling me that the tickets were sold out needs to be like six hundred bucks in you know to get into the stadium right because they sold no tickets to the big city team. Obviously they wanted all the advantage and that's the way it should be right. You need to find your own or used weapons to make sure you have all the support you get so this. Caucasian male approaches me like a Francisco. How you doing? I'm like okay. This is interesting. And he's like managed. Say I'm a huge fan of your work. Can I take a picture with you? I'm not really and this. Is Columbus Ohio Man Raking Ucla? California where people are you know You know watching my broadcast on his threat survey and then stay given me a lot of exposure. Because I really likes of it right. It's a it's a channel four or not asda and despite being on a network tv or or Fox or you know many of the other channels are out of work for most people or the the more people that are or the more that work today. Yeah the more people recognizing in St right so then again this is not e- Soleil your royal heights or elementary or hasn't heights. This is Columbus Ohio. And for someone who's from a different race if you will to come to me and say he's a big. Fan and asked Victor as that was like man. That's very humble so it really doesn't matter who it is or what race or ethnicity or you come from. I genuinely Like to interact with people and I like to hear your story and It's just borrowed of me. I I guess I'm a Social Butterfly and I'm a storyteller by nature at the same time or what. Listen to those stories and maybe have some something interesting to say One of the things that I have these great anecdotes that I have. Maybe say for a book at some point when I was going to Long Beach State So I graduate and I kept some good relationships with some some teachers and there's been the the usual time when I go back to to campus and and talk to students and I remember back in two thousand and seven. I graduate into thousand six so back in two thousand seven. They invited me back. And I gave a speech to one of the classes. And I had this Latino girl approaching me at the end of the class and telling me that she felt very proud of what I did and that it wanted as she wanted to become a TV personality a producer. Or someone in the business. So I actually just being nice I said well thank you for for talking to me. Thank you brought to me. There's anything I can do for you. Let me know. I really value the fact that you came up to me and talk to me right so we kept in touch long story. Short Chima came up today at the ant back in two thousand fifteen. When I was in jobs I was in transition. She called me up. She's like man. We need a sports Sankara's today upstate. Can you come fill that void? And I'm like and I'm like yeah. Let me look at my schedule whether I have on. Nothing Yeah I can go tomorrow I can. I'm ready to go right and and I bring this point because I didn't talk to because I knew she was going to be up producer. Steady at seven and eight years later she was GONNA help. I was genuinely being nice and you know. I didn't know what she was going to accomplish a doctor because I thought she actually had. She took her own time to come. Talk to me while. I'm going to be nice enough to give that time back to someone. Annoyed eventually helped me out. Paid out if they'd offer me even though I didn't do it for that and you know so that's that's once again. The point about being I mean I I don't I don't hate people who are not necessarily social each each person. Has its own personality. But at the same time if I know consciously that I can be nice to people. I'm I'm going to do my best at being nice to be. I mean it pays off in other ways to you know at the end of the day being good person. You're a good person. So that's worth more than gold and a read a book. You have a lot of anecdotes you have a lot of I. We haven't even touched on. I don't WanNa be that person. Who's a cooler celebrity. You've made. Who's the funny? I don't WanNa do that because that's not fair to you. Have to pick somebody. But you don't get okay that WHO's the funniest guy. You've met like celebrity wise. Let's just for fun. Well I I could I could go with Will Ferrell. I mean he We're not friends or anything but I guess now knows. Why am because I'm a broadcaster for the team that he owns l? Afc But he's also a huge fan right at the kings exactly so there was a time a couple of months ago when I was walking to the stadium. Going to players rampant. There he is and I'm like hey boss so we started talking about you know The the Latino following in hockey and Elliott and whatnot so we actually have something in common to talk about So that was. It was great and you know the fact of the matter. He knows why am so? That's that's amazing. And and when you? I don't know if he was funny at a Time. We're talking but he's the funniest guy that I that I still every that I've met because of I'm big fan of this either way so yeah I mean I think you would probably have to go with Will Ferrell. Who's Best Dresser Best Dresser? I would have to go with our very own der Elevens you can be Daryl Man And for those so you don't oil garrulous. He was up a kings player. He scored one most famous goals in the history of the franchise Miracle Manchester Back in eighty two at Darul. Retired became a king's broadcaster. He suits are the best thing and I can tell you man I I I like to dress. I have my own style and I'm going to save a tragedy or not but I like to dress in my own way not follow any rules. Darryl is in a category of his own easies. Amazing he suits are simply incredible One of the anecdotes that I have I took recently to Korea. Campbell's was a former galaxy in Mexico linked to our. Yeah Horgavitt. You know he he used to. I mean he was quite a character using this colorful colors. Yeah exactly goalie sweaters and everything so I actually introduced Daryl and hallway an idol horror. Show some pictures. I'm like man. I am introducing tool the most fashionable people in the history of sports. And that's I'm everyone wants interesting meeting horrid and you you don't know who he is you might think he was an athlete or even a goalkeeper because he's short for a goalkeeper but once they knew was everyone wanted a piece of orbit former players other celebrities. They wanted to know him because he was meant for me like view like baseball guy. Now you think maybe Clayton Kershaw caught. Cody bellinger Mike Trout. Or head dude. He was our Mike Trout back. Today was one of the best goalkeepers in the in the world not not to say in Mexico is it was a Rockstar so anyway I introduced these two guys and horrid. He loves it right and he tells me brother. You GotTa put me in touch with their. Because I'm gonNA give him like a like a suit like I'm GonNa like let's say he likes to dress on like same suits you know like eats like Gay Pride or Saint Patrick's or Halloween. Whatever he is like narrow chooses something right court. It's only. I'm going to actually not not sell them. I'm actually GONNA gift him. I'm not yet sued but I got a good one. A classy one. I like a big shadow suit When we have like Latino heritage side so let me know. Give me his phone number. Let's make sure we get these measurements. Will I'll make it happen for him as a gift to two barrel. So yeah definitely. They're all those is in a category and not only best dressed man but he's also amazing individual amazing human being this is this is a good one just because For for the quarantine I I got a moly just to commemorate in on just to able to remember this and so a lot of people have been sending either haircuts or you know how their fro has gotten or how there has not who has the best hair of the celebrity. Dying that yeah. That's that's a tough one Male I cannot tell. There's there's many guys tell you. I don't that they don't appreciate male beauty. I'm actually I'll be very honest and I think if you're good looking I will tell you you're a good looking dude. I don't for whatever reason I don't look at Arab but Let's see well. I remember one of the things one of the guys that I looked up to that I think was a huge personality and when I met him for the first time like I used to see him play for a little bit and seeing baseball cards and he don't look that big of a like that. That's all and that that's actually big of a guy when I when I met Steve Lyons Reimburse Cyclope Lyons who was the dodgers broadcaster that dude man dressed in a suit toll dude up. He was a second baseman at shortstop. I mean I didn't know second baseman short stories tall. When I met him that guy had hair. I remember like long curly like like way. Be Blonde Man. This is a good looking dude so I remember so that everything is. He's the first guy that came to mind. When you tell me about you know. Celebrities and hair ee. I would say him he had quite a personality and dad hair. Metal was amazing with me. That's if you tell me one of the things that I would change. I'm I'm not one hundred percent with my hair. I am not going to say I hate it but it stops especially during these times. I haven't gone on a haircut on TV. It's a mess like I don't have like my dad has crazy hair. Most of my family have wavy hair. In my case I probably had the worst hair I have in my family and my relatives so When I see a dude with with nice hair I don't pay attention too often when I when I see a dude with good hair out. I definitely have to have knowledge it. Okay last one because this being the cool kid civil podcast. Who's The coolest person you made? It could be famous and just sometimes you meet some major like. They could have been an avid. They could've been an accountant. They could've ended up. I don't know not to take anything away from anybody. But you know they could have ended up being a street sweeper Working at a laundromat. Some people are just naturally cool. Who This person you've met with that one. I am probably GONNA have to go with a celebrity because if that's not a friend of mine because if it somewhat because if it's someone that I know why hanging out on minimum mingle with and I don't mention that person might be. That might be a little fair. Let's do bullets does not very. Let's say none friend Let's say person that I've met That's probably opt to interpretation because you have to click with that but I can tell you in the last few years. There's a couple of people that come to mind that I have reading cliff with One of them Are you a guy at all? Yeah for the most. So art crews. Who's a drummer of Lamb of God? He's actually from a guy from east. La and as you say like you. And I love Rasa a Latino dream of being a heavy metal drummer rockstar. And he became he realizes dream right and I we met through social media. I invited him to a hockey game reasonably he came. And we've become we hit it off from them And he's not. I mean he's the guy that looked up to because he's one of the best drummers in the world and I'm a huge raw guy you know rock and roll his you know. Besides sports is is the other big part of my life so being able to hang out and ensure stories with them Just incredible just incredible and then again we had so many things in common I recently. I actually invited him to last L. Afc game that we had before this coronavirus situation so we can stay in touch and we've become really good friends reasonably you'll man and you know part in the point. That is so cool. Yeah I mean I'm hanging out with a rockstar. You know I'm I'm we're thinking about doing something on Suman jamming on skype or something and and for for someone like news. You know always pursued a career music as well besides sports just incredible to to call someone like that a friend. I remember A Mike I have my my wife has a family and do you WANNA won. Her cousins is a is a doctor there and her husband. Who's a doctor? As well works in sports actually with with athletes in in Mexico. He's a huge heavy metal fan and he's a huge fan of arts and I really like at Lambeau God. I'm like yeah man. I saw your picture. That's amazing so the next thing I did or eating tackles into. WanNa one of the best stab. You know the West tackle places that I've been to so we're just having a great time there and I call art and I'm like dude. I'm with a fan of yours this. This guy's huge span. He's seen you in concert three times in Mexico when I think so you in San Diego to one you. Call me on facetime. Let's give this guy shout out do so. He's like dude. He was actually at spring training. Talk because he's a huge baseball fan. He was in spring training He's driving back to La. He's like dude. As soon as I get home I'll call you and then a couple of hours pass by. I thought he forgot about it. And he calls on facetime and my and this guy is just like he can't believe like he's in shock manny's he can't believe he's actually talking to one of his idols. It's amazing so I made that moment happen and for art to just be able to make that moment happen for me. is just incredible. So He's the guy that we we we hit it off right right from the start And and how can you be a Rockstar? A heavy metal drummer all tattooed up long hair. and not be considered coal right lessons nation but but he's one of the guys have ever met seriously. I mean he is yet he is then again he has that mean little whatever a he looks like like a creepy heavy metal drummer. But he's one of the sweetest people that I've ever met. He's is that guy that will come and give you a hard and say brother sending you much love sending you hogs best wishes for your family. You and your family is data guy for for whatever reason. I've met a lot of of the heavy metal drummers and they're for whatever reason denies people. I've met red curry from Cinderella guns roses and other guy that I consider my friend. Now is just an amazing amazing person. And he's he's one of the nicest people in the world. That's what I'm saying like for for whatever reason heavy metal drummers have that sweet spot And when he comes to To the king's family A guy that are reasonably met and that I think God but in my bath for reason he's name is Jonathan. Lo he was onto recently the Senior vice-president of brand marketing development and many other things for the Kings We recently mad. He right away became one of the biggest advocates within the king's family and we hit it up right from the start because he's like our big thing was fashion right. I'm huge huge fashion follower and we hit it off. Then when we start finding out we had a lot of things in common besides having that Professional Bond we started finding out there was there was more to it. It's like having a romance and the you share so many things we have like. I have friends that have that. Have I've had the same friends for like ten fifteen years three or four and we'll reno our strength our weaknesses but then they're Stein's in when when you meet someone and right from the get go. You know that this guy is gonna be your Bro for awhile. Starts playing by the white stripes. I can tell that we actually got. Yeah yeah he's going to be the guy that your wife is not a hard time because you're spending more time with him that was are you. So that's that's a guy So Scott I know. Jonathan has been a a huge huge part of my life. You reasonably Live the Kings Organization. He worked with a G for twenty years and he became the chief marketing officer of the Elliott show which was one of the biggest events obviously in the latter of been. Yeah but I can't wait for for this to go back to normal. The show is back in November. So can't wait to be there and just congratulate. I'm sure he's going to be doing a great job there. And he's a freaking. Cmo Man is a freaking boss. So I'm really proud that guy but he's he's one of those people that I've met recently. That band is a guy I want to hang out with that guy because he's not a rockstar. He's not an actor. He's not a guy that I saw. You're an athlete that I want to hang out with but at the same time you know he's a Rockstar wide. What he does drugs song off. Yeah exactly and he's plus he's a big time executive so you know said but But yet what one of the things that I have to say about all the people that I've met in this? La Kings Advisory Board which he made me Bartos. These are not only people were very successful at what they do. And and there's some names that are part of it Who's there Michael? Sugar he was one of the biggest. Hollywood producers spotted Calling hangs Tom Hanks's on and a very good actor and producer in his own. Right Fred Kirby you I mentioned before gave Sachs who's on a very talented producer writer director. He actually was one of the writers on freaks and geeks on geeks. I don't know if you watch the show each star and exactly so gave wasn't one of the main guys freaks. Oh well we met. I'm like that's a goal. Do I want to hang out with you? You Roll freaks and Geeks Man. I like I. You'll please I spend time with you and we've become good friends as well Five or fighting. I don't know if you're familiar with with the artist. He was very big in the early two thousand slate ninety s the five for fighting known not familiar with that one frank normally for the third guy in command of South Park. Okay right after right after Matt Stone and Trey Parker. He's a third one in command of you look at the credits He's the guy that comes right after them. Smart of advisory board as well and frank have become friends were saved but he knows. Why am we talked? He actually recently invited me to to the studios. Which would be at dream. Come true for me because because of South Park I've been I've been since nineteen ninety nine so my point is not only nf metals of great. Ceos and and business owners who are very very Being what they do. My point is What's been great about meeting? This group of people of cool people is that they're also amazing. Individual individuals like those are not going to be the on the night. You off an autograph or picture. Those are going to be the guys that are going to have a very rich conversation with you for hours and hours So for me. If you're a cool guy to qualify to be a cool guy now you mentioned it made me think about it. You have to be a nice person in the end these are. I don't like someone because well I may be Shock defy me someone that idolized because he was a rockstar that it looked up door celebrity or an athlete or whatever but at the same time for us to hit it off and to continue a relationship after that you have to be a nice person and you have to chair my interest and And Passion and whatnot so some of the people that I've mentioned that I've met reasonably without leaving a lot of people out of it You know these are. These are people that I genuinely like hanging out with. Not because they're famous but because we have something in common because they are nice enough to give their own time swell. That's awesome man. That's I mean you're you're in those groups were reason you get me so thank you thank thank you and you you seriously make me think because those. I mean I can tell you of the people that I met At a we're not friends but I have met on have a conversation with Dave Grohl from their vinyl and that's one of the things that I cherish them because when I made my wife we weren't junior high in Mexico City I was fourteen. She was thirteen years old. And I've got introduced to grunge into Nirvana because a mind wife and we didn't see each other for awhile Connected against or facebook when I was leaving the US wasn't Mexico and then we hit it off again and we married. We moved here when we got married so for meet Dave Grohl of Nirvana after he was such a big part of personal life and my relationship with my wife. I can tell you that that was a million dollar moment Hoiles I mean I've met when it comes to sports When I met Charles Barkley. And there's a story behind and then again this is gonNA come out in the book I the NBA used to go to Mexico every year until they actually became so big that they had the need to do A regular season game. So I'm talking to you about nineteen ninety seven when the rockets and the Mavericks played there. Of course I had to be there. I was a huge basketball fan. I had to be there and then what happened. The rockets win the game. And there were so many rockets fans in in Mexico but Heke Lodge at Clyde Drexler they had Barkley so Barclay takes his shoe off and he throws it to the stance enjoy man and he was so happy that of getting back into recession. Maybe people don't don't realize maybe Americans don't realize how much following sports have in Mexico when you talk about NFL NBA Mlb But once you're nathen you're there and you leave the moment. I think it's going to shock you and it's going to blow you away anything. That happens to Charles an office on a he throws a shoot to the stance. And you know that's something My Dad and I joked about it in the moment. Because he's like who's GonNa want that Smelly Shoe and I'm like dad is Charles Barkley. He's alleged right and I'm sure wherever Hassett is gonNA value that chew forever so fast forward two thousand ten NBA finals. I was very fortunate to call that. Laker Celtics Finals for the right to be Latin America. So I go down to the court and there's a lot of people that I met Than Terrel Owens I was. I grabbed the buffalo bills. When he was with the bills. He had played for the bills reasonably and he was there. He actually took my picture with a big. It was like a simulated trophy. I don't you was balloon or something but it was a big NBA trophy behind me. And he may man. Can you take my picture and I'll take yours. I'm like Oh man. This is terrible owens. This is great like I. I didn't take I was shocked. That ain't even take a picture with so I see Charles Barkley. He had just finished with A. He's he's Appearance with TNT Show so I had to go to Bartlett and talk to him and then he's like Madam. I'm so I told them why wasn't Mansour. I'm not doing energies tonight. I'm like no no listen. I don't want to interview I you. I just want to tell you about this story. And the moment I told them he space just lit up man he size just go like he remembered the moment and like this is unbelievable. I'm talking to him about something that happened when it was kid and the guy was already superstar so that at that moment it was was was a million dol-. A moment Wells when I think about I mean because I met I met Colby obviously arresting Pisa Magic Johnson. Recently we have. We have a very good friend in common magic and I and so when I when I met magic. I'm like you know magic. You know good friends with this person. And he's like a and so we hit it off from there I recently met Sandy Koufax Dodger Stadium. Nolan Ryan. Who had that? Bigger with my dad was valued in and I met. We actually stayed the same old shell during the two thousand eleven world series were staying at the VIP floor for whatever reason they put me there without asking. And then I was. I'm they're having breakfast Nolan Ryan right so I I can go. You know hours and hours and probably base telling you at this point when people ask me because this question gets asked me all the time especially when. I'm talking to my friends in Mexico where I meet new people big gets shocked by the fact that I mean Hollywood and meeting the people right and they always tell me who's the biggest celebrity but ever met and I always tell him you know what. It's probably easier for you to ask me if I have met that person and then I will tell you if I have the yes. Yes yeah. There's so many it's been so many I remember Have you watched will be one of the biggest moments and this is a court not only a great looking actress but a cool Girl you watch that movie Soul Plane. Yes new dog. Remember the you know I think her name. She was still modeled daughter in the movie. She was this the stories like Tom. Arnold spying with family and you know in this very cool plane whatever so. Reo cavill was was was Tom. Arnold daughter-in-law Right great looking actress. Okay okay we go and look her up on talking about so my wife and I got him bite. It's Fox. The Ramiro of show called the League which was on Fx He was the Lee at an another and yet another so called You're the worst which which I hadn't seen before and I became a huge panel so this was at on a dismal we buy in Westwood by. Ucla it's very famous movie theater. That I forgot name is a historic landmark by the name of it but anyway My wife and I left our car at Fox so we took a newborn because we were supposed to walk the red carpet and we wanted. Make sure we got rhythm right to the red carpet because my wife was wearing high heels. I was wearing this very cool shoes on my own. So we just actually had someone drive us. So at the end of the of the premier we are waiting for For an Uber to take to to Fox the Fox. Lot To for me to get my car and go to the Party so nicey real right there and right away I mean. I've seen this girl in entourage and soul plane so many shows. I'm a big Fan. And she sees the shoes that I'm wearing which were fair of accretion lieutenants with spikes and so we're waiting for a new ver- and she actually accidentally gets in my war but because she had been waiting for a while and then she looks at me and you know the first thing. She looks at his my shoes. She's like Amen. Those are cool shoots so we started talking from there and then we ride the same over to to the after party and everything was it was crazy moment. Lasted for like probably five minutes. But at the same to have that conversation with her and her telling me about. The shoes was amazing. Pamela Anderson Renewal Meeting hurriedly game and there was nothing in common. But I just went up door and instead high Flash guns roses so picture for whatever reason he saw picture that I had on my phone Of OF GUITAR. One of my guitar is I do. That's a cool looking tar. I never seen it before. That's looking UTAH. And then my eye and I said I could die tomorrow because slash one of the top guitar players in the history of rock and roll told me that my guitar with school. There's I mean I can. I can go back and and then again for days in an hour talking about some of the coolest people that I've met but all I can say that man i. I have to be humble at having very to meet great people long to watch live in the moment but also appreciate them when you. I'm sure you can have countless more memories like that. You know. Take a moment and enjoy the president. I know like leaving promise. I'll start working on the book. Yeah that's been going look forward to it. Yeah any personal shoutouts. You WanNa do anybody thankful in your life. Yeah I mean. I wouldn't be here if it was not for my dad or my wife. I mean obviously. My Dad was always a hard worker. Any paid my way through and you know pay for my school. You always made sure he got the right education that I learn English. At a young age we hit just proven very valuable for me along the way And he always showed me that the the right ads and things the right way and to treat people kindly and not forget where I came from and be an honest person and B. B. is dude and he was there and also my wife We've been together for ten years now and She she brought something that I lacked in my life which thing years ago also radio broadcaster was already talented have been doing things and whatnot but she she opened up the world or me. She showed me things that I had not seen. She inspired me to travel the world. She inspired me to look at other things. Besides what was doing and to believe in myself so I think I can tell you wouldn't be here because you know without them and you know there's so many things In there so many people that I've met along the road and I I'm not gonNA share names because you know there's too many of them but I can guarantee you. They know who they are. I mean if they've helped me I've I have made them I have. I have may have told them that. I value what they've done for me. I'm very thankful personnel. Women. It's something that my dad really instill in me made. Sure that whenever someone does something. Nice for me I thank them back and so I am very careful about doing that when someone has been nice to me where someone has helped me along the way they know they will hear from at some point and here thank you and and try to give something back if I if I can't that's beautiful so this is not a south. How podcast but we wrap it up with a little thing. Called words of wisdom could be about anything anything that a favorite quote of every figure anything maybe some words maybe paragraph whatever you feel like what in in your heart something. Yeah something that I said before If you want to get our lives Try TO Try to find what makes you unique But at the same time you know as I said before to success is a senior on a senior on head is your own mind and don't don't converse to other person if you're happy with what you're doing because it doesn't it doesn't matter your co or let's say do maintenance at a company you can be the best of what you do and you can be happy with what you do on. Money doesn't really define or success on redefine A Happy Journey in life. So I feel proud of everything that I Affecting that you do feel proud of every single moment that you've made someone happy and Enjoy it and try to lead happily and don't don't try to worry too much. `specially now in these coronavirus time sued. Don't worry about what happens tomorrow. What's GonNa Happen in a year? I understand some people are are doing worse than I am but I can tell you so. People don't feel bad as I said. This has cost me a lot of money and you know I'm strongly find ways to compensate that loss of income right so it's not that I'm doing it easier. I can tell you you know with my hands and my waste all guys you know. We'll get Lewis you know because I I've been equally affected by this but we can all worry that much about what's going to happen tomorrow because if we died tomorrow we might. I don't know what's going to happen. We what we might go back and say you know what I could have spent this day happily with my family and having a good time going out. Well you can't go out right now but having a burger become right or takeout right or or coffee or coffee or whatever and he didn't do it because I was to worry about tomorrow and this life is too short and you really have to enjoy this list. Beautiful I'm not sure way expected but exceeded all expectations. This was thank you for taking your time out of your day to come and join me Ladies and gentlemen that was Francisco x Rivera anything you want to add before we wrap this up. I just wanted to thank you. Thank you for giving me time to talk. It was just been a very enjoyable chat anytime young. Whatever you need and I'm looking forward to the book thank you listen. Remember if nobody loves you. Hector lows you once again that was Francisco x Rivera. We'll see you next time.