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Movie: The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)

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Movie: The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)

"We are science fiction remnant podcasts. For scifi lovers spending cross books movies tv shows and games. This is the one episode twenty five more. We nine hundred fifty one day. The earth stood still for november fourteenth. Twenty twenty hello and welcome to another episode of science fiction remnant. Thank you so much for coming back. This means a lot to us. We hope that you find these as exciting to listen to as it was for us to create for you. If you like to show. No someone whom. I liked his podcasts. Please share it. It would help us greatly ingrown this channel. You can also follow us on twitter at scifi remnant and any comments you have about these podcast with friends and family. We appreciate thank you l. Everyone i just wanted to mention that you could actually make your own podcast to Would let me explain to you as it has one of my favorite things it's free. Yeah we like free. There's creation tools that allow you to record you can edit. 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So go ahead introduce yourself and whatever you want to say at this point young guys thanks so much and yes i a seven scotland and and really for me. Scifis always green. You know the number one saying so from very very young any anything you know. Spaceship or the robe. Also like that. Was you know that was for me. So i'm still like not just like yeah. We we kinda share the same passion for me. And i don't know if i mentioned this in previous shows before and this is one that we're going to episode pretty soon on their very first movie that i saw on theaters i was. I believe six years old. Didn't know exactly too much of what was going on. Obviously because i was young. But i remember some pieces of it and after i watched a movie. It was Logan's run and they. They took me to the theaters to see it. And and that movie just kind of forced me going forward into the sci-fi lower that i have become it's kind of interesting how those things play out you know. Yeah it's true true so this movie were doing is the day. The earth stood still now. They are two versions of being says john. Carlos has not seen any of them. I decided to pick the one thousand nine hundred eighty one version. We'll watch the other one but at least you have a point of reference at this point of what you know. The both movies are great. But you know this is a cult classic and like. I don't know if you agree with me when you saw this movie. But you they has been. This is one of those movies that the other entertainment has borrowed from. Oh yeah i'm sure of. It has a lot of prime material that has billed by science fiction has become the movie And the movie scene as of today. I'm sure we i. Obviously i didn't see his movie theaters. This movie was released. September twenty eight one thousand nine hundred fifty one were even thinking of so it actually caused. This is going to put luda perspective to the to the movies that we have done so far thousand dollars. He's actually is actually cost. One point two million dollars. Allow us you. are you ready for. this box. Office was one point. Eight five million dollars. Well it's a lot of money compared to the times and the inflation at the time. I'm sure it was a big bulk. But if you compare You know that's one thing that had to research to the when you come up with the result of how much they made you know if you take away how much it cost in comparison to other movies that we have seen in the we have done and under show the. The gab is huge. So it makes you wonder was that the equivalent of a big. You know pay out at that time. I would think so. I would think so because if you think about it. One million dollar backing fifties. We're looking of all what more than one hundred million dollars now. Yeah that's one thing. That i i should i research but i'm just curious about that so i have to ask. I mean ian and may have seen this movie you have seen it recently. Yeah so i have to ask as i say with fresh eyes before we even start goes. I'm sure my comments and calms are going to forge different responses from you. But what do you think about this morning. What was your thoughts close to you. I think yesterday. And i don't know like you probably wouldn't know that but i was one of the kind of guy that will sit down and watch a black and white movie for nineteen fifties like i will find it somewhat boring because like i wouldn't put the time to it and i say how build his passion for the content of a movie like i've learned to use seat and enjoy not only the special effects but the message that the more we have to give and the movie jurors left me like wild because the way that east made the message study has i think he's way beyond its time. You know i have to share this. Okay typically aronoff you know this young but you know we sit down and watch our couch and that's basically our show so sometimes we sit down eleven and watch a movie And sometimes either. I'm closing one eye. And he's closing so we have to kind of like a spoon it for another day or maybe do it earlier. I know this movie was good. When i turned around and i see giancarlo is still awake. We saw twelve now. I think it was almost almost one o'clock. One o'clock almost one o'clock and i looked around. I was like okay. We're going to have to watch this tomorrow. And i looked around. And he's just glued as okay this. It must be good. I think that's you know that's a great. We too touchy. Joe fill business. You can stay awake all because the thing the things that rubber works until five. But i won't eleven so we're also kind of my chop and get the time together. We do it after work. So we've done very late. So go ahead doesn't help for that. You're talking to a guy that you know five dollars from yes. Yes definitely claims. Owns all over the place so touch on. Just what you said that they actually been sore correct by spell kazaa and what's also great a the solas soul many Elements really still talk about oversee. You'll see in the talk. Further up and shoes i think think John you know and you say the well wouldn't wouldn't really think about watching a black and white film you know. What will you know and to looks testament to this film releasing that actually you can watch it and be and not seeing and fifty fell. You just see a great fell. Yes no in iraq. Salt the best and best films also. Tv shows do doesn't matter. Anoxia made good sutton. Saw element saw the stories. You know good on unsold and then you know so. It's gonna take it that i mean we of discussed this and other episodes as well where you know what makes it and you know we. We pointed to the fact that is a sci-fi because obviously we're talking about a scifi movie at the time but great storytelling. It's going back to like the the the times of you know joan carter. It's like i said before they will be our. It should be able to grab the reader the listener the viewer into the story and not let go. Yeah merchant on him. It's one think of discover of not not only good science fiction but science fiction and a whole when it's good it's timeless so he doesn't matter how long has happened between when it was made today is just still as good doesn't matter that there's better special effects or the acting has changed from the time when something these made properly eat just with stance the passage of time and it just feels a great piece of movie. That doesn't matter when you watch it. You're gonna enjoy as much no matter where you are. I agree one hundred percent on that so this movie so much into it but basically we we. We are We encounter Alien traveller from Another world coming into earth and As he comes into its final destination We are met with news reports all over the world did. There's flying object and on on identify flying object flying flying through the atmosphere and it eventually lands in washington. Dc parks so one of the interesting things that we're discussing about the movie is and this is something i don't know if you're familiar with this or you knew this but You look at for example. There was a reporter from england from bbc was reporting. The elliott was flying through. And then you hear. No they A reporter from on if it was new york or washington. Dc and they kind of sounded the same and you and you wonder because you know you have the british accent and you have the american accent. Obviously there was a slight difference. But when you listen to them there. You can't really tell unless you did not see that bbc back. Then that was a england reporter versus the american importer. And i don't know if you knew this but back then They wanted to make sure the audience and this was this was specifically true. In radio they wanted to make sure that whoever is listening to the content via radio movie theater digging understand very well what the actor or a radio personality was saying so before you get a job back then in any of those professions you had to actually go to class for transatlantic call transatlantic language. Okay so if you notice that's why when you look at the movie from movies from that time everybody talk like that. Yeah i find that mind blowing you know that you know now you listen to people from all over the world you can tell the accent but be back then. You couldn't didn't stop to think about it. But i i love history so or watch a lot of like world war two events and stuff like that documentaries and movies and the same thing happens when i'll look into an older model that he's putting all films about what's happening on the time people like that not doesn't matter whether you're from And i never stopped the question that but actually very curious and if you in any of the listeners stood there are interested into that can actually look up and google on actually on youtube a transatlantic accent and there's tons of videos of people that are actually going out and teaching this nowadays so i just found. I caught by watch a couple of those videos and ver very interesting. I mean not. Necessarily now. I watched it a couple of years back and it was really interesting to see you see this person. Obviously in color obviously a young person and he sounds like you're listening to someone from the forties and the fifties transport you. I don't know if you're familiar with that. Yeah and The films on tv and the something very similar all all certainly the used to be so and almost all octopussy back in the fifties and early all went to drama and their skill and and basically the goal voice lessons classes to to speak in books. Nunan said actually the phrases. Just let the heydrich is terrible at new and received pronunciation a call it so that. So you know the cas really They lose all they lack senses. Well developed this study. 'em don't wanna say blonde because it can be very nice Basil voice and humidity balked that he shocked is from the time you know you will noble the they might speak in west different tunes monday. Don't release citing where the from yes. No yes Definitely i just. I always found that really interesting and accusing is that. You told me that. The actor was an american actor he was. I wasn't a british. I think he was a nice sure. I'm going to have to look it up on a rainer curious curious fact that you gave me them makes a little sense for the full public. Run was telling me was that they grab a personality. That was no well known in the american movie stage so when he's impersonating these alien it's also an alien phase. That is not known by anybody. And i found very curious whether they portray him He kind of got me because he they say the he's seventy eight years old on the movie and the span for way he come from its hundred years and they made a perfect job because they had these elegant man. he's very whole he'll looks mature yet. he doesn't look old. Yes yes and you know. The the curious thing that i was telling you is and you know it was apparent for the people at the time. There were seating him watching this because all those people recognize spencer tracy as as being one of those greeley known actors of the time. I honestly don't even know who the guy is again. You know. I i never seen but the point is they he the the studio. I don't know exactly how he got a hold of the script and he liked it and he wanted to act out the part of cla too. So what happens was they were really concerned. Because a known actor then the audience my have preconceived notions of what that character should be based on. What the actor is that. Could jeopardise like this. Says exactly so then. They decided to hire a michael rennie. which is a complete. Yeah yeah complete unknown and that plays an. I think is part of the chemistry on that movie because that'll known it plays right into that role because an unknown alien from an unknown planet who so now the audience sitting down. They don't know who this guy has. Never seen as actor before but the quality of work is just as good or better exactly exactly. So i think in june colonels have talked about this. Sometimes that in my opinion a good classic or i- conic movie. It's hard in some parts to replicate. Because i think it's gonna like cooking. You know you have to have not only the ingredients but in the right proportions in the right order and some of ninety to be cooked together while other separate and then bring together in another way so. This is the way that i look at. You know the combination of the actors now. The actress played and that not only the actors are good and it's about insults but how the chemistry between the actors the chemistry between the actors and the director and producer All that it's kind of like the perfect storm and it can doesn't always replicate not always can be reproduced. I mean the perfect example. That i can bring his gaffka and we did an episode of gothica where the actually toll director. Yes if he wanted to do and he said no. There's no way that i can replicate that that speak. That's it if whatever i do after that is just going to go down him funny. Yeah i mean. When i was i watched the fell on this day. They add a willett matt having washed in a long time. And and probably like you guys know i was i watch a lot of i n d be you know when she washington and in these huge wall. And what's today for me was and we will talk some of these elements other and the cost is as you know. Solid looks good kosta. No one that you know you know. Michael rennie is no that you know things like that yet. But he's a so you know you know. Good good solid octa. The die of extra went on the great things the the composer a huge name. And when you when you watch the film in so we're talking about you know fifty ball neces- studio fell which probably get you know which will be housed the same the same so budget as as any other film that gonna make up tight and you know this. This video's need excels and make them. A visa will be rapid slow pace for the hundred. Greek balls diesel technicians. And everything he knew had to sell me a good lookin' sound you know tying and and you know regardless of the genre that's necessarily much and louisville so one of the first or site like that certainly one of the first admirable ones today those also. Thanks so much. And it's a great example off the next fifties hollywood studios. Just make an a good film you know regardless tight as you know the interesting party. I don't know if i told you this but Patricia neal again she. I don't know who she is like Tracy she was very well known star in hollywood back in the day and she got hired for the part on this movie and no one really got grasp. How big this film was going to be. And i think is because at the time there was a lot of like monster films and stuff like that. That never really went anywhere. An nowadays is like a tricia trove of people that go actively finals black and white movies and she thought that this was going to be one of those that while forgotten all film you know yeah and everybody including herself was really surprised how of an iconic movie turned out to be so it shows again is is kind of like prove to what i was saying that you really don't know the chemistry that you have until you know here's my take. I might go a little bit way too philosophical on it but the way i see they might have think they were not doing as much of a journal of just a movie for the entertainment and so what they might not have realized. Is that at the same time they were building out legacy for a general cole. Science fiction That will become one of the pillars. To have build chilled. What it's today and while it will become in the future. I think they're unknowingly. Were building on that legacy and everybody just follow suit again. Just want yeah actually one link walsall stock me when look better writer so seles based on the story by guy. Cold hobby Base as we will show stole and this isn't the best. I in section ball. You know a new experts rates of read a handful of big soloist and you know solicit name that i know the lukin. This was a guy who rule in. Oh science section. Vote along the you new role rule of law reasons site and was you quite successful Newell and late. You sesia mrs The tk What what seems new lady. She a a stock sauce. Only this story of this coming z. Tightness the new thing you know so concept and you know thankfully actually run with a really really well and all all you a good story and then he as a soda so gretchen about law Yeah mrs obsolete. A good story outside shots and i also think also the benefit of being a pioneer is. You're actually are writing the book. I was just thinking about that when i was watching the movie. And it's like it must be amazing. You're right into book on the topic. Yeah so you can run. We whatever you want and like you said in Help a great story you how to follow your road to bill. This part you. The funny thing is that we would ever did on. the pass. Made made the law mark for what the pathway continue to be That's the most impressive thing so he shaved. I think just you know. Let's cabela's newell. This film is sixty nine years old. And you know and we've just watched that just the possibilities and absolutely love and i think testament to hey good as young so going back to to the story and this was going to get at some point This story the movie got me a little heated. I don't know. John can attest to that because of the content but we have alien that lands on washington and he brings you know first of all he he comes outing and clearly states. They comes in peace to a platoon of soldiers. The platoon all the forest dot d. c. could muster had. Which by the way. I don't know if you knew this day. Actually try to hired the the actual Military the us military and they did not want to be seen in a poor light so the coast guard. They actually said we'll do it. All goes in their cost. Trust neko's skirts National guards guards so this guy comes in and he brings his object to to earth and he got shot for it in the. This is one of the parts. They actually got me a little heated because his true you know sadly is true. When they're getting ready to take him to the hospital he later says you know that was basically the secret of travelling to other planets and this dumb dumb shot it but you know what's funny thing. I think that it was good to happen. Going into the storyline of the movie. It was going to happen because next thing that you see that they're trying to basically making a commodity take possession of him and conceal him. Yeah so imagine if he would make the mistake of giving the key to the secrets to travel out of the planet to the government. that is trying to lilly. Itemize something that should be given to the whole world. Which was his problem in. You know actually if you think about it. And i don't know if i should jump ahead and we but you know i mean we jump ahead some so many times. I think it doesn't matter at this point but it was actually good for the planet. They destroyed it. Yeah because a gordon because of gore and because he has been shown through human history already do the beginning of time that we do. Is we exploit things for for for own benefit for the sake progress. So in their own hands that device would have been just weaponized and used for destruction. And that's what i. That's where i come in. Because if they would have done that that would have been the end of earth. Yeah that would that would be done. Wh what what do you think that. That's seen what your thoughts were at that scene. Just really got into my skin. I mean i don't know why because it's to be expected that that's what would happen in real life. I suppose it really is. It's useful the factually because when polls the device and you all you know you might find a wagon know. Yeah yeah you've could look at it and see bought. Nothing can bombing you know you have to use oxygen clone so more don't you also actually painted colors l. and in the wind clottey saw comes i you know. And he wants to give this speech next in the world or whatever and ends again shaw and they win for their own through the film you can see. He's he's actually size opera. Bet more than maybe new shoot obagi bagel these guys optional. So i mean there's so many there's so much in it because i mean number one. If he like you said john carlos if he would have just given this and no one has shot him it would have been a short maury. Yeah right so but in the other hand this could have been test. Basically and throw the movie we can't get. We kind of gauged that he's is actually kind of like trying to get a feel for humanity and he's appearance from the very first scene in the hospital where he's saying you know. Can i'd go. Mingle with people. So i can get a feel for and they just log him up and the funny thing is that they just can't conceal him like he's way beyond these simple tricks you know. So he's going to get his message. Message one way or the other and the funny thing is that the main reason he's coming in is because justin those times we just discovered nuclear energy and he wants to warn us about the dangers of it and basically. I love his statement to the diplomat. That he's talking to him. Yes because the guys i call. You don't understand that conflicts that we already calvin weaking the earth. So he's not easy for us to for us to get all the delegates from all the countries so you can talk to and he tells it is it is and i love that parv much like i don't care if you guys kill yourself for stupid reasons but the moment that you weapons get out of the planet earth is gone because we're not gonna tolerate that. Yeah definitely above we are. We're very chaotic Race oh beans. We've been ca- if you think about it on this planet. We are their form of leaving beans that kills in within each other the most throughout the whole of history. We're an apex apex. For the worst thing we're conscious. Yeah he can handle makes us dangerous. This movie just reminds me of that. It's sad to say but is just is very up front on the thing is he's he's he's coming to help us. Yeah and another thing is that they're the get this guy they haven't been this room and it's the equivalent to try and to handle an atomic bomb with your own. Would you only hands. Dan new idea who they have. And i don't know if you have seen the end. The movie call arrival were combing all across the world to but he kind of remind me to dad and he just brought to my mind like we have the poorest response to any kind of extraterrestrial former live calming because we are once the cost the chaos before anything's rake out and he makes you wonder you know because i wanna say this might be a little funny but The radio waves. They eagle out. They allow into space so it makes me wonder if they're listening. They're watching his movies news report and they're like no let it kill themselves. There's no way we're gonna come close to that planet. And that's whenever see anything i mean. It doesn't make any sense. We have so many planets and we haven't seen anyone and that's there's your answer folks. They could be sitting in the dark side of the moon. For all i care. They're drinking my ties and run out. They're not gonna come good okay so the next part of this movie is he actually escape because he can. I mean i love. I love when they tell him on the movie You should try to leave. And then they just early locked him up that he can hear the logs being put on the door and he just smiling. He's been tila wasn't was funny part when he was doing that. All i keep on hearing was oh. That's cute yes so he's gape in. I must sure exactly what happened. But i assume he's he stalled so close and as suitcase because we have how he's caped. Yeah nate is never is not appear apparent movie but it looks like there was a dry cleaning. So i'm assuming he went to a dry cleaner up close. I don't know where he got a suitcase from. But that's when he became his new identity. What was i forgot his name now and you went to a bed and breakfast to actually do what he wanted to do. Which is observed humanity and engaged. Which i think is a very smart thing of him to st- to do it and i like to assume that is because like at like he said he's already been watching the news You know all the radio broadcasts from earth. And i think it was very smart of him to nag gauge planet. I based on you know the people that actually picked them up. But the actual you know civilians they did come to come and folk so here. He gets a different perspective and we ate. I don't know what what your thought was. Especially appearance when he was sitting down on the dinner table. that's where he got the variety of flavors. How everybody thinks different. If you think about it you have like you see how bill after he comes scene and he is trying to be captured by the american government. The propaganda the star spreading is just a radius. They're calling monster an enemy. Some people don't know if he's Enemy or full but when you're talking on the table while most people have a negative perception of him the mother of the kid she's like we don't even know him. We don't know if he means well or not. And by us actually creating these prejudice and predisposition to it We're just causing the chance to win a figure that out. And if you notice on the actor on that team he's showing some kind of Of interesting i'm using by understanding. Wow no everybody thinks the same way. Yes so it's not like he should just throw a harsh judgment of okay. Let's just destroy the earth in sables drill. Did you get the feeling that he was kinda judging at this point based on what previously happened to him especially showed the tyne case judging. Because i can don't know if if you agree with me ian but i got the feeling especially on that the conversation when he's looking at everybody and he's just getting the flavors and yeah yeah definitely can you know. It's almost like you know the sony's sell for that nag. This not so also natural reef all fully connected to go after wall has happened with Lady we usually. We saw touchstone that. I talk really boot. Well yeah and you know what's what's to come I think that will fill those. Do even that stage is that we all kinda drawn to Under almost wants to see him be saw challenge like You know it's almost it's almost like with you. Know we we. We have taken his his site Fairly solve early on because you deep diagnose as you know human obedience with nothing. Nothing more you know when all that because you don't want war that we don't want all all of the you know the single payer Coming along and all play. I i definitely agree. I mean it's just you know it's a little sad. Because the i mean i think you know what i think that. The writers and the directors played it really well and and trying to get the audience to side with clap too especially after he when he got shot and they picked him up and he said well. That was a gift for you guys. It kind of makes you feel like i'm sorry you roy for yourself. Humans some now after that point. Yeah and after that. Point you kind of like and i kinda felt. I don't know if you follow the same thing. But after that point you kind of feel for to get the comment. That struggle me. Because i've seen it replayed through history but we fear what we know we fear. Well we cannot control and wants to primary instant by men throughout history to the with that he's to mandate is to control should mean to dominate it So so that's why is what i'm saying like he's like constantly like the human race is constantly jumping the gun. So that's what. We are so chaotic. The beginning of time does their private part of us that has not yet evolve. Those informal live so much that you see when he comes in. He doesn't very clearly when he's trying to get all the delegates. The warriors like whoa. We already learned. We cannot be dealing. We've i inner conflicts. Anything like that. We extirpated that's how he calls it. I how income here to resolve your stupide shoes. I just came here for a warning. So so i guess he got the idea. Basically conversation with a little kid did. That's the person that he connected the malls with. What's the little kid. Yes yes like that ashes of prairie prejudice and just mentally allow him with the combination of the innocence. That kid has to just have normal conversations in. I think it it plays a lot. It has a lot to do with the prejudice that we have the beginning of the movie that they everybody assumes already. I mean look at what they were saying. I'll discuss what four eyes and tentacles and his is looking at this conversation. It's like everybody who already made their mind. This is a monster and this kid. i mean. granted he doesn't know he is. He is but the connection that you were talking about it. Someone without those of pre conceived notions And actually if you think about the true connection happened with dr van hard hoses because he's he already knew at that point he was an alien but we're talking about a scientist a person that is designed to question everything what he says. He says something about duty and passion and the scientists corrections and he tells me not. It's not about that. it's about career. Acid. that's what dry scientist so this after this is actually where where you can feel that clip to starting to get somewhere but you know. The dow denver were met would Human greed because Kid found out that he's actually the alien and the mother and the boyfriend of the mother found out and degrade for this from this guide is what would cost was going. What comes four after that. Yes and no because at the same time. You kinda wakes up from the wrongness in personality that this guy has do you think she would have called the army now because you actually was trying to stop her boyfriend from the winning nobody i mean prior to to realizing not because i mean you went straight to her and explain to her so yeah. That's true he he did. He made sure he made sure to explain to her. And she had all the chances to turn around turn him out anyways and she gotten all the countries she understood importance of what he was doing and she didn't want a job board. Is it the other guy. He's wanted to be a big hero and be on the news. So i guess it's very vain shallow especially common. He told he told her like united me. Now but when. I'm on the news. You're gonna like me like really dude really so And this actually plays into what like how wrong. Everybody was knowing who they had who they actually are dealing with. Because i mean for starters when he was talking to the doctor and doctor said okay. We need to figure out a way that you can make. Because they're trying to figure out a way to get the best minds of the world together so he can i guess show or or or displays his message is warning and he says we need to show them what you could do. But i don't really want you to like destroy or kill anybody and he just laughs and says i think i think i have an idea and dad over there. The fact that he can he could do that. Have scout worldwide. Emp yeah that's what it was but more ac- data shutdown. He's on my team hull doing that. It makes the question i mean. What's powering that machine we have no idea of. Emp actually causes and effects. I mean for all no it does and he avoided it. But that's the thing movie they made sure to portray that whichever technology these alien beings have these beyond our imagination. Even when he's helping the professor he was like piece of cake for him. Yes and it was something that probably would have done for years or decades if it would have. The help of alien is kinda funny. It's like you figured this out over here. But what about this other stuff. Bam bam bam just spitting out the answer to who seconds is when you combine this with that and this is in europe so the other fact bit i it kinda call to my attention was when during the escape. 'cause i guess the the lady petition you'll find out that deep boyfriend called the army there after them and their scaping under during their scape the the he got caught his shot and i mean he just filled with holes. I was just like okay. this is i guess the movie you know he dies. Let's see what happens again. Human panic because by the time already beat osama league of military. They are like we don't care if he's like little life you need to catch him so again more things that we just have to ruin it for yourself Humans definitely so you when he says this. I kinda got goosebumps as like okay. Basically saying that he doesn't take care of himself but he cares about gore and what he's going to do he she asked. Okay what is like well. He can start destroying eventually destroy. Destroy the whole earth. So you gotta say this words to him collect to but atta nico and i never know what that meant. Well i don't think. I know what that meant how i guess i should look it up but what i find interesting is that this movie has such an impact on people dead. George lucas in the star. Wars return of the jedi used those three to name three hints. Oh really so if you go back and watch that movie and you watch through henchman one's going to be called platte to one is going to be called but outta and another one is going to call it. So it's kind of like on the point that i was making how this classic is just influencing everything right after so i you know they. They roll the can. Maybe we'll waltz. S maybe he diminishes the impacts nine when we watched the cell is not so many and don't be in and use them so many other fell so when so i think it's a must have a no what's that in so long which is really good and will so many other big big scifi fight films absolutely round inside this one because as followed you know agree ideas and maybe again this like we said earlier you know. They were writing the book when when they did movies so they is kind of funny. Not funny it's kind of really cool to be the pioneer in. I can only imagine people in every movie after an granted. A deal won't be able to see like the earlier films. But i mean sins out movie. Things were being used borrow from this movie. You look for example. The perfect example is club Vehicle it kind of became an am sure to borrow from area fifty one but they needed their own and now synonymous with a you fell. You know so to go back to to to what i was saying about when plateau told this lady this is what you need to tell gord and and i'm sure we're jumping around through the movie but you know When she goes iran and and tells him that and gordon i guess kidnaps her and takes her to her ship and then go gets the body of class and he revives cla too. It's like whoa. They have the power. I mean she actually says it. I mean you have the power of life and death which is still a mystery on this movie because he says you know yes for a certain period ties search. Yes how long he said. I don't know exactly so. Is he saying that bringing him back just short in his lifespan. Or saying that he's gonna live he's gonna to die of natural causes because we know he he he. He lives onto one hundred hundred thirty years. And he's already seventy eight. So i found that very interesting. Was he plane with her mind by saying that or is there something we never get the answer to this. I did you what do you think out I almost didn't really pickle not want to you. You know not bet did make me soul. You know the basal question. I just saw. You're not gonna look as long as you do Ball it's not just being being solar of i used for the next site minutes. Should be while so. I don't know i don't know if for some reason i just got caught onto that mitchell's olympic curious because i thought to myself might be short but long enough that it will last case but at the same time i'm not sure he had the rush to leaf ayers yeah by the movie treasury face because aloen That period of time. That was very vague. Once one toll maybe we'll sexually short and could not afford to die in there. I mean there. There's so many questions. I mean i mean honestly you know what i leave such valuable intel into such chaotic messy race. Yes they're gonna make they're gonna destroy the year broglie. Whatever else is next week. So on them they left me thinking. And that's what. I'm telling you what i loved. The malls movie relieved consciousness about so many mistakes that we as a race car commeet- when it comes to international an interplanetary diplomacy yes we are not fit for steel as of now. We're not fit for it. And you know what i in this lease to what i was going to like. The analyst exchange. We found a truth behind a message which originally was you know you could basically and now i might paraphrase it but you could do whatever the heck you one of your planet can kill each other for all i care you can do whatever you can destroy your own you can do whatever the moment you bring violence out. You're gone but now we found truth is they have developed a society. We're date are they. They have moved beyond violence and they have left that of to what he called a police or the policing force which is what gordon was so whenever they detect violence in that becomes after he said that it kind of wakes me up throughout the entire movie going back to the beginning how he never really did anything violent. It was only cord. And they're policing that aspect of it so if they find that someone is going commit an act of violence to actually take to that so he's honestly being. It tried to warn them. Not because of him or what he might do or what he's race might do. But because of the policing force that he's watching the solar system yet so he already knows our power which we kind of got a sense of what they do disintegrating everything they feel like or melting. It took choose to But they right there. Gord becomes a lot more frightening because at that leads me to believe oh crap i thought he was controlling him. I mean gore was spoke from the ago. He wasn't controlling him at all. Actually say matter of fact stopping him. Yeah we don't see that's another thing. We don't know what he says to you. Know gourd you know that that that may lead the wherever that remains a mystery throughout the movie. Don't even know where he's from. Yeah well they said we we use on a distance. One hundred and fifty million miles. It takes about five to six months that puts him around and between mars and jupiter which. There's nothing there but it begs the question that whoever wrote this did actually research because two hundred and fifty thousand miles would in in stake of around that time travel time in space so that i don't know if you've got the same feeling but when he said that when i discovered out about cord he became a lot more frightening. I it it it could easily be a horror movie at this point could the world the world does what i did was that you're feeling when i mean. What was your reaction when you heard that last piece when you kinda discovery truth of his message. Yeah it's it's so stock has written. You know what we're really enough to you know off gave me at all. You no go truly gonna solve so as i. It's not and you know it's almost like you know cocky and you know when they say i'm going to be the nice guy The nice guy that works you know gold series that he's going to do the nasty stuff but he's adrover actually economic issues in charge i. They've given them and on say yay cheap fighting. You know in charge. Yeah that's man and we kind of after that. I know that that was actually the nysc. Because they him or his race didn't have to do this. They're actually just being polite. Because in my understanding gordon and it's kind it's controlling the galaxy so for someone that is trying to get myself into their their their mentality their race. That do away did away from violence. And i like to think that a person on their dad scenario will not like violence so if you see environments violent race eliminated them is just logic alcohol. Exactly so i. I think that either him. Whoever sent them was really nice playing. Nice by sending a warning that you know you can do whatever you want. But if he goes out. You're you're done for so. I don't know that i just got me thinking and this is kind of movie. I don't know if you have any of your listeners. Have watched movie. And you might be kind of like john carlos at this point where you know as a black and white movie is going to be boring i. I don't feel like the movie anymore. So i want feel about the most when i haven't watched yeah but light. I mean this is what i'm telling you. My perception of these things have the have been changing across the years because of the awakening understanding that. It's not just pretty cool especially the facts when you have sparks and stuff you know. It's the message in the context that it brings the film special effects on this movie. I think they are beyond their beyond his time. I mean you can obviously compare to today's island or yeah but if you look at if you look at the star trek for nine hundred fifty four streams of the sheep. Hang out toy ship a real ship. This article looks fantastic. And it was four years before so what else to say is like if you really liked sci-fi and you haven't seen this will be do yourself a favor and Take a look at it is the most watch is it is an amazing amazing movie. And i know there's another one out there would keanu reeves and that's also good there to me an you probably once we do the because we were planning to do an episode on now on as well. I always think of this two movies although the content is simpler based on the same thing to me. They're kind of like two separate movies and they're both just as good so this one in particular is most watch only for you to see. I mean you'll be. You'll realize once you watch it that some of the concepts some of the visuals A part of the story. You have already experienced in other scifi stories. goes again. This is an icon and many other Movies and books and they actually have borrow from this. So i just i'll just leave you with that Let me know what you think. I mean we do have a discount channel Were i invite everyone to join in in Less discusses movie also we. We are on twitter So you can deserter. And let's discuss. Let me hear what your thoughts are on his movie absolutely again. Thank you so much for coming with us on today. Show guys thank you. Well this is another show for now. Please let us know if you like this episode and don't forget to let us know if you have any the as about which topics you'll like us to discuss for the next every so thank you remember. You can follow us on twitter at scifi remnant. If you like this podcast please. Share it on raiders on your favorite podcasts platform. This will help us grow. 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Ep. 166 - Corrupt Chicago billionaire trying to buy the local justice system

The Breakdown with Shaun King

13:54 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 166 - Corrupt Chicago billionaire trying to buy the local justice system

"Have three stores that I want to unpack and explain for you today. I there is a multi-billionaire than is entered the Chicago Kogo. Da's race and it's something that we've never quite seen before is disturbing in great part. Not just because he's trying to buy his way into the race but because 'cause we comes from what he represents after unpack and explained I want to give you a big update on Michael Thompson. Today is the last day for you to be the able to submit a letter on his behalf at free Michael Thompson Dot com his petition for a commutation. Clemency is coming tomorrow. We want you to submit admit that letter today and lastly or give you an update on the conditions at Parchman prison continue to deteriorate. We're getting some response from state state officials there but some of it is just too late. This is Shaun King and you're listening to the the breakdown the the breakdown the EPA breakdown if you've been listening to the breakdown you've probably heard me say this about a hundred times and and I may mean literally. The Nation has about twenty four four hundred district attorney's out of those twenty four hundred district attorney's a represent millions and millions of people who've come through their offices who are formerly incarcerated currently incarcerated or about to be incarcerated local. DA's are in essence this CEOS of the local justice system. They run that system and out of the twenty. Four hundred district attorney's they are overwhelmingly white overwhelmingly overwhelmingly male and very very conservative by conservative. I mean conservative. Democrats conservative Republicans. It's a deeply conservative system out of those twenty four hundred district attorney's I like about fifty of them. Yeah that's that's my ballpark estimate. There about fifty good wins and one of the Great District Attorney's in our country is a woman named Kim Fox in Chicago now. Her official title is State's attorney. It's just it's just the same role. She is the prosecutor shooter in Chicago. And she has fought boldly for deep meaningful reforms. She has stood up against special interest and we see something all over the country. I've touched on this just a little bit before. We see something all over the country that we continue you see happening in Chicago with Kim. Fox's well is that black women district attorneys who are so bad ass. Who are doing doing exactly what they were elected to do? Not only do they not get the credit they deserve. They end up being attacked in ways that that we just don't see anywhere else and right now. Kim Fox's running for reelection I have personally endorsed Kim Fox i I know her I believe in her. I believe in her integrity. I believe in her capacity to run that office. Let me say that. The office of District Attorney is an incredibly difficult job. And I've come to learn that over the past four years helping run. Da's races all over the country. It's a it's it's a really hard job and she is up to the task. Crime has dropped year-over-year in Chicago in great part because her policies actually make the city safer and yet she has a man running against her name. Bill Conway is a son of a multibillionaire comes from a family that runs a group called the Carlisle Group and I did not understand. This toss started doing the research. People are afraid of the Carlisle Group. They are so rich and have their hands in so many things that people are afraid to even speak out against them and bill. Conway is trying to challenge. Kim Fox and his campaign is almost exclusively backed by his father. who was a CO founder of the Carlisle allow group one of the world's largest investment firms? The elder conway I donated a half a million dollars to A special pack soon after his son declared his candidacy and has continued to pour money into the campaign now totalling which is the most. I think I've ever seen a single person pour into any. Da's race has given now four point. Eight five million dollars to his sons race. Another hundred ninety five thousand dollars come. From other Carlisle group executives making eighty six percent talk of Conway's twenty nineteen fundraising from contributions of one thousand dollars or more off from Carlisle group executives or employees. He's and here's the thing was shot. Hell what's the problem with the Carlisle Group. A Lot Carlisle group is deeply invested in the tear. Gas Ask that was used on not just Ferguson demonstrators but demonstrators and protesters all over the world including Palestine. They are a deep deep deep partner in the tear. Gas Industry in fact they were awarded nine point three billion dollars in defense business this from just nineteen ninety eight to two thousand and three. They provide the foundation for the entire Industry today. The firm owns a piece of a company called combined systems. Inc. these generic names they give corporations that is a manufacturer of tear gas and other her ammunitions being used all over the country. Not only that Carlisle has gowd's nursing homes in harm to patients. It's the Carlisle. Group has ownership of two nursing home companies and has produced several horrible controversies including a whistle blower lawsuit that was actually joined by the Department of Justice which charged that Carlisle Group It's called Carlisle's manor care with gouging medicare for millions of dollars. In unwarranted billing Carlisle bought texas-based life care hospitals back in two thousand thousand five. Just a few weeks before Hurricane Katrina struck and twenty four of life cares. Patients died a forty eight percent mortality tally rate after their unit lost electrical power and they were unresponsive there. Listen I have so many problems with the Carlisle Group. A Carlisle portfolio company called Cobalt International Energy acquired three Angolan oil blocks in two two thousand and eleven and it was a deal in which three high ranking officials from Angola were undisclosed minority investors in the deal resulted assaulted in multiple shareholder lawsuits and an SEC investigation. We see this type of stuff with Carlisle group all the time yet they. They are the primary backers of Bill Conway and Bill Conway Says Hey. I'm coming in to change things to change. What the city's getting safer safer? She's a great district attorney. What are you going to change exactly? and WHO's supporting you. What I think I am? Most deeply disturbed disturbed about is the reality that for the first time we see billionaires and children billionaires trying to buy their way into this position I am disturbed. I hope each of you hear this. Who live in Chicago or know somebody who lives in Chicago? Let them know to support poor. Kim Fox she's great. We have our back and we're in her corner all the way. Listen next up. I have an action step for you that if you have not taken I need you to take an if you have taken an avenue spin around if you have not already been to free Michael Thompson Dot Com. I needed to go there now. Needed a check it out and we are almost at twenty thousand. Letters sent directly to the governor of Michigan Gretchen. Whitmer we are. I think just five hundred letters away. We need you to take us over the top so we can cross twenty thousand letters sent on behalf of Michael Thompson who has now been in prison over twenty five years originally arrested for selling weed to an undercover informant. Michael has paid an outrageous price. Basically defacto life sentence for nonviolent crimes and we are fighting hard for the governor of Michigan Begin to intervene to allow him to be released just for time served. It's it's outrageous. If you go to free Michael Thompson Dot Com right now now you can also you can see the letter that you can send in but we need more of you today to make phone calls in the top right hand corner. There's a link that will give you all the instructions on what you can do to make phone calls on Michael's behalf but we need your support. We need all hands on deck to help free Michael Thompson. Listen I had a good chance to speak to Michael this week and I wanted to play some of that but I just wanted to keep that conversation between Michael and myself. I'll speak to Michael title again on this Friday and I'll make sure I record a message from him to all of you. He's deeply deeply deeply. Grateful he sees that you all all are making the phone calls that you are sending the letters and is so touched by your time and energy and effort. But if you haven't already joined us go to free Michael Thompson APPS and dot com and even if you have go ahead and make some phone calls for us to say all right now. Lastly I have one final story and update on the conditions. Additionally Parchment prison. It's the bring Dan to break down. Break down break there to break down a brick down. Now who Are you following. What's happening at Parchman prison now? What I know is that if Donald Trump was not president and was not sucking the wind out of the news cycle each and every day it would and should be a a national story? It's a nationally -mergency just this week to more people have died at parchman making it at least nine people people that we know of who've been killed at parliament this month alone. It's one of the deadliest months of any prison in modern American American history and it's not accidental. It's after a life of neglect at that facility. They opened up a horrible wing of the prison. That was actually ordered to be shut down a generation ago and they've opened back up to put inmates there and the men that they're putting eating there are suffering under horrible conditions and we continue to see not just violence between the men who are housed at Parchman but men say that they continue to be abused by guards and others so listen. The conditions at Parchman are so horrible. Thankfully just late last night in I I would say almost exclusively because of the hard work of local activists and organizers and even including my friends my son and to make a mallory who've traveled all the way to Mississippi and have stayed there fighting hard for the men there at Parchman just last night. They announced that they're going to close that horrible wing at Parchman. But it's deeper than that. They said they're GONNA make new. Hires my friend Jody Owens who was the district attorney of Jackson. Mississippi is on that commission so we see some progress but the conditions of prisons all over this country. Continue to just be horrible inhumane and I hope you just have it in your heart to care about what's going on not just at Parchman but to incarcerated people all over the country and for most of us it's kind of out of sight out of of mind but they need our support they need our advocacy. Thank you so much to all of the activists on the ground in Mississippi. They were fighting hard for change there. And we're starting to see progress because of your hard work. Bring them and during the break a break break break Derek upbringing.

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Yeah, I Said It: The Steelers' Free Agent moves shows they are "all in" this year

Behind the Steel Curtain

42:48 min | 1 year ago

Yeah, I Said It: The Steelers' Free Agent moves shows they are "all in" this year

"Turbo tax believes that with the right tools and encouragement. People can be good at anything and yes that includes taxes and to help people feel more comfortable with the tax process. Turbotax live gives you access to experience. Cpa's NDA's who are happy to review your return line by line to make sure your taxes are done right and that you get your best possible refund turbo tax. All PEOPLE ARE TAX PEOPLE. Welcome back listeners. To another episode of Yeah. I said it in his always. You're checking out the program on Friday and the show was hosted by yours truly Lance Williams Before we jump into the program I just wanted to Ascendant a big shout to everybody in just to make sure that you know everybody is safe. Everybody is following All of whatever your local Whatever your local municipality is telling you to do if you have a shelter in place. Make sure you're listening to that and you're doing what you're supposed to do in terms of shelter in place make sure you're listening to everything and listening to whatever your local politician is having you say and the title of this programming. Yes big up Jay man. This is the Maroon. This is the Carnegie Mellon. I am a Carnegie Mellon Alum and a title of this program is the steelers free agency moves. Show that they are all in. Thank you Steven for the well wishes. I am in California as most of you know in the entire state is in a shelter in home or shelter in place so for me. That means that I'm working at home and I'm doing this show actually on my lunchtime. So Aka steeler is this show is a k a called Brunch with big SOI. Because I'm bringing it to you during my lunchtime but before we were going to do the show we we had to do a little switch today because today has been pretty fast if yours in terms of the Pittsburgh steelers so there something that I'm going to talk about as well. I was originally going to tease the show. Yeah I said that the steelers should signed Jameis Winston. I'm GonNa talk about that but I wanNA talk about the free agent moves in the free agent moves. There were two. Steve was new. Ski signed a two year deal worth two point. Eight two point. Eight five million dollars of that. Three hundred seventy five K. Is Guaranteed in Eric. Brown signed a two year deal for twelve million dollars. And of course we know that. Derek Watt signed his deal earlier in the week. Big Up to read overhand. Read your lot younger than I am. Class of nineteen ninety four the hind school which I think has been renamed But anyway for the steelers today now. I'm on record saying I was not very excited about the Derek whyte move. I just don't think you. Allocate any resources for fullback position And I'm not considering I'm GonNa talk about Worm Lee as well but that's not a free agent move that's trade but we are going to talk about that I wasn't excited about the what move. I just. Don't think you allocate resources for a fullback. They just aren't really useful in the modern game now. I think what they're trying to do with that. Move as they're trying to replace tyler manner cage and Rosie Nix with one move. I think what is going to primarily be The special teams captain in that Type Guy. He's not a guy that's had a lot of. Carey's he's not a guy that had a lotta catches I just think he's going to impact the offense in. That's why I think that you go out there and spend free agent money for Dare Guat let alone that your first signing so I was pretty down and adopts when I saw that as the first signing but boy Friday everything has changed or Friday. And let me just go on and say when you guys listen to this show You know we do the homework hater show on Sunday. I'm the hater JUSTA A homer. I'M GONNA have to switch hats now. I'm going to have to be the homer. I really love what the steelers did with the three agent signings. Today's free agent signings as well as the trade they did with the Baltimore Ravens. And we'll talk about that when you're talking about. Steve was new ski and I have to review him on film. I'M GONNA take a look at how he played during the playoff run for Kansas City. He's coming off a winning consecutive thing not consecutive wings. But he's a ring with Philadelphia. Just WanNa ring with The Kansas City chiefs. Let me let me answer Darren. Don's question really quick any answers for why the full-back positions dying position specifically for the Pittsburgh steelers dying position because offense is WanNa get multiple people outta routes unless you have a full back in back and catch the football when you put a backward field. You're declaring that you're going to run the football or even if you don't In most cases you do run the football Defense is no that that fullback isn't a threat in the passing game. So I think that's why you see the full back Go Away into nap. Nineteen sixty three. Yes I am the greatest hater of all time but I love these moves when you look at the deal for with news e two years two point. Eight five million dollars. Three hundred seventy five K. GUARANTEE. The one thing that jumps out to me is it's not starter money and you're talking about a guy believe who's a ten year vet two time superbowl bowl champion so you're talking about a guy that's experienced a guy that's from the area and a guy that has played quality football during the playoff run as recently as last year. So when you look at the money I don't think it totally eliminated. The Pittsburgh steelers could take a guard early and I think with his ability to play center and guard. He's positioned flexible. I think he replaces. Bj Finney and also if you want to make him the starter give it his pedigree former second round draft picking. I like to look at. I like to look at signings in terms of the three. Ps performance pay pedigree. When you look at his performance he just recently played during the playoff run winning Super Bowl. You look at his pay. His pay is very is very low in terms of a cap impact in his pedigree. He's a former second round draft. Pick you put all those together and you look at positional. Need for the steelers. I think it's solid and I think until let's say the steelers wrap a guard early high second round. He can be a guy that can start initially and then you can work in that draft. Pick because of his experience in position flexibility. Also I think when you bring was news ski in what it prevents you from doing is moving filer to left guard and then creating two unknowns on the offensive line so you don't know if he can play left guard down in down out and then you'd have to replace the right tackle this way with with new ski. Even if they don't draft a guard high in the draft. He can you can plug in play him in the offensive line in from left to right the offensive line would be Alejandro Villanueva. You'd have with new ski boy. That's a lot of letters in back-to-back Stars Villanova and with new ski in that. That would be a lot of letters. You Got Markey's penalty the anchor on the Interior. The David Decastro. And then you have fire. I don't know if that line is as good as it was last year. But I think because you can replace one position in not to the level of uncertainty is minimized. If you're trying to move a guy to guard and then trying to find a tackle 'cause I'm not comfortable with Chuck's occur for Ores Zach. Banner being the starting right tackle. I think that would be a very big drop off from filer because I think you could argue that filer might have been their best offensive lineman last year and I think if you look at. Pf grades. He probably was their best offensive. Lineman last year so I think absolutely the move is fantastic from a positional need and from pay perspective. And so like Sinead Yvette. Said I thought you were calling. Land a hater in a bad way. I'm not a hater in a bad way. And so let me jump to is questioned. Ambig- UP TO ISAAC IN SUPER CHAT. If you guys want to contribute to the show hit the like button hit subscribe so we got sixty seven people right now the livestream that means all of you guys have to hit the like button immediately. If you WANNA help by donating a super chat hit the super chat button. You can donate in that way you can give a contribution a financial contribution to the show. Also you can subscribe to the show. Big Up to Isaac Aggie land in Isaac asked. A question is the bronze signing sexy. Enough for you it absolutely is. The bronze signing is the type of signing. See because I I did this series earlier about points and just how important points are and just how important point differential is. I'm on record as saying that I need. I think the steelers have to get to about twenty eight points per game when you Eric E. Bronx and looking at performance pay pedigrees. Sometimes I shift the PS around. You're talking about performance. This guy's a former first former pro bowl you're talking about pedigree former first round draft pick and for two years at twelve million dollars and that's the general terms of the contract. I don't know how to contract is detail. I'm sure over. The category in Winston will have that big up to end went stone. If you want to get more information about the cap make sure you check out our standards standard or the homer the hater show from Wednesday where we talk to. End Winston. We have Dave on. We had jeff on his well. Fantastic show And I'll get to that Darren. Dog Darren asks what's the current cap space after he signs now court according to over the CAP. I think it's seven million but they that that's not factoring Hebron so over the capital probably updated a little bit later And it works a little bit different shock to Shaam. Brigo said like one million dollars. It works a little differently. I ca six million would be the average. So that's not necessarily how that's going to work out in terms of How will impact the capsule we just gotTa wait and see? I would say that. It's probably around five million. When you think of Eric Brown Eric E. Bron and pick up to big rush and we're going to jump into big big Russia's questions they let me read this too because they kind a co they coincide Isaac in big rushes and thank you for the contribution big rust for ninety nine big up. Make sure you're safe. Man Washing your hands in quarantining yourself. He said Enron is the most athletic tied. And we've ever had. He's going to get a lot of attention. He's always been underrated in been will love big target and been love big targets. Let's just say this I agree. I think Enron is probably the most athletic tied in that they've ever had now eric. Green was a physical freak back in the day but in terms of the current tight end a seem stretcher. Big Fast target he is. You're absolutely right big rush. He's the most athletic tight end and I talked about point differential in adding points. This is the type of this is the type of move you make to score more points. The steelers have got to get up to about twenty eight points per game. We're GONNA talk about some great news. That Big Ben Released Today. I don't know if it was via his website but ESPN and a lot of Outlets reporting it behind the curtain is reporting it already as well And Wayne Johnson. I think he's trying to correct me. Evron or e Brown. I think it's e Bron not Ed Brown either way. You guys know what I'm talking about when you put him and Vance McDonald. This is probably the first time that the steelers have had to tied in that can vertically stretch the only issue I have with having to tidy as that can vertically stretch is blocking who is going to block in the run game in read over hands right to it into Castro can still be restructured if they need more space. That's my only issue. That is my only issue is who is going to block in the run game when they're trying to pull when you're running that play the counterplay. Decastro WHO's GonNa who's GonNa Block that defensive end or outside linebacker on the edge to seal the outside when they're running the counterplay that's the only thing but but I love the fact that they have to guys that can vertically stretch now the way you work around it as you. Just don't run counter as much or possibly you bring in your fullback Derrick. What when you run the counterplay. There's ways that they can get to it. But I love the fact that they have to guys that can vertically stretch now Grayson browns point. He's not gonNA vertically stretch as well as Jared Cook but when you put e- Bron Vance McDonald. That is tough to deal with for defenses in. That's the type of move that is sexy enacted type of move that the steelers need because going into this drab. There is an issue around tided specifically tied in depth. I mean the only usable tied in on the roster essentially was vast McDonald's so that means the nets not coming back and the rookie doesn't even matter. We don't even know if the rookie can play now. The issue is the only issue. I'm saying that they they're not blockers. They are not blockers so that is going to be interesting in terms of how they do it now. There was another movie that they made this day. And I didn't count that in terms of free agency moves. 'cause it wasn't in. This was the trade that they made the fifth round trade They gave up a fifth rounder in twenty. Twenty one to to acquire defensive lineman. Chris warmly and seventh rounder in twenty twenty one now in terms of performance pedigree in pay in terms of performance. I don't really know who Chris warmly is in terms of pedigree. I really don't know what his pedigree is in terms of pay. I'm sure he's pretty cheap. Now for depth. It's great to do an inter divisional trade. Those are rare doing interactive digital trade. Now the ravens have done a lot of different moves. I'm not really familiar. Requests warmly. I can watch on them. I'm not really sure what he does. What he's good at. One thing I will say is he must not have really been valued because typically you don't do individual trades. You know he must have been worth a back. A hot baggy Nichols but what I will say is he does provide depth and dewayne Williams wrote Chris. Warmly is good rotational player. Not a starter and that's all you need. Sometimes it's sometimes you just need snaps and let me read the comments from William Mallory who said being in being in the Detroit or being in Detroit. I've seen Lebron play a lot. He's a big target. He can run block dropped balls in Detroit Chicago but had a breakout year with indie can be a deep threat. I mean that's all you want. I mean sometimes you want guys that can vertically stretched to seem to create space underneath. Just imagine right. You've got two tight ends. Let's say that the steelers aren't twenty two personnel right or let's say twelve personnel right. That's one running back to tied in two wide receivers right and so let's say that those two wide receivers are Deontay Johnson joosten issues. We all know how Juju the work underneath. Can you imagine a space that you're GonNa get if you have Vance McDonald and you have ebro? Running the scenes hiring is difficult. You're looking for the just right candidate for your team's unique needs but knowing to start the search can be challenging. According to Ziprecruiter research three out of four employers say they're having a hard time filling open positions if you've got a difficult role to fill no matter what industry you're in hire with Ziprecruiter and right. Now you can try Ziprecruiter for free at ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash. Vox here's how ziprecruiter finds candidates that you can get excited about. I they send your job to over one hundred top job sites. And what they're powerful matching technology ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find the people with the right skills and experiences for your job and actively invites them to apply it so effective that four out of five employees who pose fund ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day to try Ziprecruiter for free go to ziprecruiter dot com slash. Vox that's ziprecruiter DOT COM slash V o X ziprecruiter dot com slash. Vox Ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire. What that's going to do is lift safeties. It's going to lift linebackers and it's going to allow due to work underneath and give Juju a ton of room Big Rush also chimed in with another super chat. Snacks Harrison would be a huge upgrade at no sacco. Now big rush. You're going to have to Let me know who snacks. That's a college player. I'M GONNA Apologize. Dig Rush. I do not know college players. I do not know college players and so I'm going to have to apologize about that snack about that about snacks Harrison. Thank you big rush for that contribution but I loved these moves. The reason I love these moves. These are moves for now. I think the steelers know that they are in all go mode especially with the news of big been and at the note the news of Big Ben and let me just read this quote. Let me just read. This quote? Does Big Ben talked about where he's at in his Rehab. He said quote. I'm throwing without pain for the first time. In years some games I would have a little pain some games. I would have a lot of pain. But in the New England game in Seattle game last season. It got to be too much to be able to throw without paying now. That feels nice. That's a nice feeling. I know I'm not getting any younger but I feel younger because I don't have pain. Let me see what else. Let me read you. What else been said he said In terms of his Rehab. He said he's throwing the ball twice a week. Forty Times a day for about twenty yards next. He said he's GonNa plan the ramp up throwing three times a week. He throws both from his knees and from a flat footed stance the practice getting his spin back he also has had throwing sessions with Ryan Switzer. He said quote out gradually ramp up the number of days in the throes in the distance and velocity. I really feel like I could let it rip right now. I had to. But what's the point? There's no need for me to rush it. Our goal was for me to be eighty ninety one hundred percent by OT as MINICAMP CAMP. And you may not have those anyway now. It looks like those things are going to be cancelled because of the corona virus pandemic. I can take my time a little bit more. The last thing he said was in his quotes about him being fat and I will apologize to big Ben on this platform. 'cause I used to call him been Albert because he did look fat but that was basically because of the beard because he looked like a a knockoff Moses when I saw him at the West Virginia game he said quote. I've heard people say I've fat and that just blows my mind. I'm lighter and in better shape than I was in either of the past two years. I haven't stopped working out. I normally don't work out in the off season but I've been doing everything five days a week with my training cardio twice a week lakes twice a week. Upper body twice a week the also said I guess it's my beard that makes me look at fear. I must have five pounds in that. I know but I'm not overweight. Let me just say this when you hear that as a steeler fan first of all he's not in shape? Dasha make you feel happy secondly I was wrong about him being in shape. That should make you feel happy. Thirdly I was being a hater about him being shaped Dasha make you happy and last but not least. Would Tom Brady in the NFC no New England in the AFC is upper. Well sort of grass because that Batman is still in Kansas City. But you should be excited because of everything that Colbert said earlier this year about Ben. Rob's Burger means. It's absolutely true. They knew he was right back then. They just didn't want to say but they knew he was physically right back then. Big Ben is back. The Big Ben is back and he better be back because his salary cap hit will be over forty million dollars next year. The Big Ben is back and for him to have gotten a restructure. He must have been right. I mean there's no way. They restructured that they only give been another twenty million dollar check if he's not right so it looks like. Big Ben is back. They got weapons. They got a weapon. In Iran they fortified the depth impossibly signed a starter offense to line. They added depth. The Defensive Lineman position only thing I don't like so far this off season is what that's the only thing that I don't like now earlier. We talked about if they needed cap space that they can. They can do some stuff with two or decastro. In terms of restructure at the top of the program we talked about Janus Winston and why it make sense for me if they have the space to go after a Jameis Winston because I think what we saw last year is with Big Ben. Coming back in big men only being under contract for two years. The steelers cannot let lack of quality depth. The quarterback position killed their seasons in West. Keeps saying what makes you dislike the move so much? Just fullbacks aren't useful. I don't think you signed. I don't think you sign special teams player to a free agent contract. I think you can find that. I don't think you need to allocate any resources towards it. They just don't make any impact on the offense and with been coming back. Ben Likes to throw a football anyways. Throw it most of the time anyway and unless y can catch the ball. We haven't seen at. Because he only has ten receptions career it doesn't work I mean okay blocking is great but I mean it you can find is the block. You don't sign free agents to block you. Just don't do that and I just don't like the move. Nothing is going to convince me I could be wrong. I mean I can clearly be wrong. I don't like the move and before I turn to my point about Janus wants to make sure you hit the light but we've got almost one hundred people in the live chaplain Lee got like twenty five likes. I know you like the show. I know you and I know you guys are active in the live chat. Hit the light but so me start off with way Johnson But let me fly. Before I jump into way. John's point let me jump into another a super chaff from Amman Jay. Singh what's up Sir He said if you WANNA get a little superstitious super bowl fifty. Five I believe is at Raymond James Stadium where the steelers want super bowl forty three also go tartans among must be a melon along because only mellon alarms note that the melon name is the Tartans Let me just jump into this. We'll talk about pedigree performance in pain. Let me break this down. Just be patient with me with James Winston and we'll talk about how within only being under contract for two seasons as he was cannot afford to lose it season based on lack of quality depth at the quarterback position in Mason Rudolph in Devon. Dodgers are not quality backups for Super Bowl team terms of pedigree. You're looking at a player. Who's a former overall top pick former overall? That's as high as you can get in terms of pedigree now in terms of performance. You're talking about a guy that was the leading the NFL's leading passer in terms of yards last year. A guy that has been to the pro bowl a guy with twenty eight wins and one hundred twenty one texting. You put all that together in terms of an upgrade to the backup quarterback position also. He could possibly serve as a bridge after been. But if you have James last year like big rush shed if the steelers had james last season they're in the playoffs yes he throws a lot of picks but Aryans also had him throwing the ball entirely too much so oh and also. I don't know how to pronounce the name but I'm GonNa dig up home for from Russia I want to pick up the homie from Russia. Who's listening to the show? Hopefully that's real big up to you if you really from Russia's so in terms of pedigree former overall topic performance through for over five thousand yards last year former pro bowl or twenty eight wins hundred twenty one. Td's in terms of pay where it works. James is not under contract and actually way Johnson. it was thirty three touchdowns and thirty interceptions and before. I continue my My point I want to just break into super chat from grace and brown what lands but a minute. My man hope you stay safe and healthy. Wants his balls over. Let's get a drink and sandwich and go to jeer. Donald's Oh so that means you're out here you're in you're in a unique area grayson absolutely. We will have to go to jeer. Donald's it's not as good as per matty's but if you guys don't know jeered donny's is a family that is believed related to the family that started per manny brothers in Pittsburgh so they know the the coleslaw recipe in the whole nine yards and their related so they do for Manny style sandwiches in San Francisco. I think it's all Columbus Street. I'VE BEEN TO JEERED DONALD A couple of times and had two sandwiches. they're fantastic. Not as good as getting them at home in the bird. But I'm a pepys dude anyway. like real trees e seventy one said. I'm a pepys do because I'm from the North Side. I get the Big Ben Rothlisberger Sandwich from pepys on Western Avenue on Western Avenue. That's where I get. I go to pepys but let me say this. Let me get back to. But thank you Grayson. I am doing well. Hopefully you're doing well also with the shelter in place now. In terms of the performance paying pedigree we talk so in terms of performance paying pedigree pay. He's cheap. He asked no deals. He wanted thirty million on open market. That's gone he has not been signed into first week. A free agency in its Friday. Now he may be signed by the time. This comes out I duNno genius expert. He's probably doing something. All of us would like to be doing right now. But genius genius If you're doing that and listening to this show and if you're in a live chat you know with genius type you Bam you a bad man. You're a bad man But the upgrade to the backup position would be astronomical now the downside in terms of performance or pedigree performance in pay is. He's a former overall topic. It's a quarterback he's on open market. What does that say to you that says to you that Jameis Winston has not lived up to that. I don't use when I talk about the three. Ps and ex potential. He is not lived up to his potential. And that is a con when you look at pedigree performance in pay because if your former overall number one pick in the draft at a quarterback position you should never hit the open market in terms of performance. One thing that's negative in terms of performance is the thirty interceptions in the fact that he's twenty eight and forty two overall record in. He has no playoff appearances. The thirty interceptions are bad but as a backup asked to win several games a couple of games. Three here there. He can do that he can do that at. He can't be controlled based on how you call a game. Areas had him putting on the Kate. Enduring silly stuff he may be bad throws but it silly stuff but in terms of Rico Parsons Point I agree. I think Winston will be more disciplined and steelers offense. He wouldn't have to do too much. 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Crock DOT com slash plant dash butter and see what all the plant based hype is about. Hello this is Jesse Dave Fox. I'm a senior editor at vulture and host. The podcast. Good one eight podcast about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian comedy writer or director who listen to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pen and the pad and physically write down everything I just has not my style turns out comedians. Take jokes pretty seriously. I like all jokes. Okay that's what I do. That's what I live or there's really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you sort of learn from this? What was your takeaway? Nothing Guy I am not. I'm not sure mark curse good one from Boulter and the box media podcast network subscribed for free on apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast APP. You do not use the PUCK Catherine. I'll let a great question Jesse David Fox. You know some tough games or whatever I mean. He's Charlie Batch two point like James Grabber said he's Charlie Batch two point. Oh now let me check my phone. I'm getting some messages from my fellow. Podcasters they ask me. Can I get your grades of the four newcomer so I can average the grades in Article? That's what Brian Davis BIG UP TO YOU. So so so bed. Let me give you my grades. Better let me give you my grades on these moves but I like. I like James as a backup. Let me give you my last. My last my pay in terms of the cons when it comes to pedigree performance impact. He probably won't take a one year deal for minimal money he probably won't He probably won't do that. It'll probably really hard to sign him because You know he's not gonNA WANNA pay for that. I am big rush. Said I would have an issue of James was being brought into start. But he's the perfect backup. We couldn't throw over ten yards last year. Janus is a huge upgrade. He absolutely is a huge upgrade. But the steelers have limited resources to lose dampers point. I don't think that he would take a small deal on a one year to play for the steelers. I but he's going to have to play for backup money. And that's why if you don't do what maybe you have. More MONEY TO ENTICE JAMEIS WINSTON. To come to the back of he would be the perfect backup in. He could be the BRIDGE TO THE NEXT GUY. If ben comes back and he's not good because if ben is not good. There's a scenario where I could see. You can't have a guy that's sub-standard quarterback with a forty million dollar cap. It so I. I would love if they could figure out some way to get the money to bring Jameson that fortify. The backup quarterback position. Steelers will be ready to rock and be ready to roll because I still think the steelers are extremely vulnerable with Mason. Rudolph Endeavour Duck. Hodges as your backup quarterbacks it gets hurt. The seasons IRAP. If being got her in they had James Winston. The season would not be over by any means. James is a overall top pick. James is a guy who threw for five thousand yards. James is a guy who for thirty three touchdowns and James is a guy that through thirty interceptions but to west point he said Winstons. Ego is far too big for all of that but she he's been humbled this week because there are no takers for him as a starter and mama gotta eat mama gotta eat. Baby needs new shoes. You know I don't know if I'm not. I'm not ready to say Mike o'malley that he's a loser and a bum but I'm not asking him to be a winner in a superhero. I'm just asking him to be what a backup that's it and none of you guys can tell me. He is not head and shoulders better than Mason. Rudolph and Devlin. Doug Hodges none of you guys can say that but two bads question the grades of the four newcomers so in terms of Derek Wa. I'm GONNA give that a d. I just don't like that move so I'm GonNa give that a D. in terms of with new Sqi. I'M GONNA give that to be. I think the position flexibility in the cost in the fact that he's a guy that's played in big spots in playoff games in two times winter. Actually I'm GONNA give that a B. Plus I'm GONNA give the Eric Ahead for the cost. Only two point eight million and so that money allows you to go out and draft another guy in the draft and bring him in as your starter in terms of the Eric Imron move. I love that Mov- I'm gonNA give that move a solid a because he's a former first rounder former Pro Bowler. I think he gives you two tight ends can vertically stretch and he brings a lot of dynamics to that offense in terms of both the Chris warmly move. I'm going to give that a C. I just think it's an average move. I think he's just a depth guy when you do international trade. I don't think that the player that trade is is any good in particular. I want to thank you guys for May really for chopping in with the with the live chats outstanding with the live chats. You know before we get off the program man you know. We got seventy want people in here but we only got thirty nine likes. Make sure you guys definitely hit that. Let me go to West West. Wanted to chime in with his grades he said Whiz With new skippy plus. Evron a+ warmly see What was your grade West for what he gave watt a see anybody else want to jump in before we get out of here in terms of your grades for these moves out. Michael Malley said Winston would be F-. There's no way there's no way Jaimes Winston come into the steelers would be asked. So what do you think? Baser Rudolph was last year A. G. H. I. Ajay Element Opie. I mean come on Roy was horrible in duck was worse Jeff on saying what was a be Do some other grades West Hitchcock said is E. J. Man is laughing at me with all the jokes but again man. Before Winston he said Guy Rose at Winston would be a C. minus at Bronner's a C- But before we get off the program I really WanNa make sure that you guys are safe man. Make sure you're doing everything that you can't do. The not spread this terrible virus Israel California. My whole state is in a shelter in place. It's real man. Don't be like these dumb kids that went to the beach celebrated their spring break. Stay inside be responsible and make sure you're not spreading this thing around Jeffrey Benedict set. What is a Bi was new skis? Be Plus Air Bronzes. C warmly a B plus. I'm I'm sure Jeffrey. I respect Jeffrey. A Lot He must see something with warmly that I don't know I don't really know him as a player. I'm surprised that he's really down on Air Brown. I think offensively Ev Bron can do a lot of things in terms of creating space By being able to vertically stretch the field and changing dimensions of the field with his physical ability and like Ryan Co. Brian said. Yes we hang with you to be socially distant that's right Be Socially distant man. Listen to our shows man. We're GONNA keep bringing you guys content. We'RE GONNA be out on Sunday. We're going to be another show back to you. Sunday for the homered hater. Show Me Jeff. When talk more about free agency over auto probably get these moves to be big H He wrote before we get out of here with the last super chat must have seen something. Indeed people not happy. Tj First Round I'm trying to make that out Big Age if you WanNa leave another comment To make a little more clear Way Johnson once said I'm in Pasadena. Unfortunately I'M GONNA Central Job in need to work. My job is essential as well but I'm allowed to work from home because I can work from home. And that's right like William Mallory said quote touching your face. Quit touching other things like like my man. On the live chatty said he was touching a bunch of things And listen to the show. Guerrero said Let's go after. Jk Dobbins the interesting thing about getting a guard. It's not necessarily on the table in the second round when you get that When you when you do his new ski maybe with news could be your starter. He started in the playoff run for Kansas City. And I WANNA watch him I he could do the same for the steelers. I think that leaves running back possibly second round or some other positions. I don't think tidiness on board anymore now. The fact that they advance abroad I think. Tynan is out any had zags entry last year. I think time is definitely out But I hope they go offense. Wide Receivers specifically now in the second round With Iran out I would like I wouldn't mind why receiver or running back. I hope they go off now. If they go in with new skis the backup. I'm fine with that as well so I'M FINE WITH GUARD OFFENSIVE GUARD. 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Steelers Stat Geek: How Ben Roethlisberger's bucks saved $15 Million in Steelers' cap space

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Steelers Stat Geek: How Ben Roethlisberger's bucks saved $15 Million in Steelers' cap space

"This episode is brought to you by comcast since two thousand eleven comcast is connected more than four million students from low income families to the internet. Now they're launching more than one thousand wi fi connected lift zones in community centers nationwide to provide safe spaces to get online learn more at comcast dot com slash education pittsburgh steelers fans. Welcome back to another episode of steeler staticky. This is behind the curtain co editor. Dave scofield coming at you. It's thursday morning it's tacky time boy. We have some numbers and stuff to talk about today. Got a couple of questions from users. A one of which is not really a question. But i'm gonna do it anyway in the second half because yeah we might get a lot of numbers in the first half here because we have some things to talk about. I didn't want to necessarily beat the dead horse or whatever you want to say with ben roethlisberger in his new contract. But i was asked a question about it. So that's what we're going to get to eventually eventually because we've got lots of numbers to talk about of just some things that happened on wednesday now this. This is actually being recorded wednesday nights. There's more stuff that could even happened on wednesday from the time this was recorded but it was a big day. It was a big day first things first. The nfl informed teams of the salary cap number. It ends up coming in at one hundred. Eighty two point five million dollars that has down almost sixteen million dollars from what it wasn't two thousand twenty when it was one hundred and ninety eight point two million dollars and this is the first time ever in the history of the nfl since the salary cap is implemented in nineteen nine div four. I do believe that the number has gone down and that is now the number that teams must operate around. Come next wednesday at four pm at the start of the of the nfl league for twenty twenty one now. I know i've talked about this a lot. Because there's still some people out there saying oh that's when free agency starts now phrases. He starts today sooner in. What's called the legal tampering period. That's when Players can negotiate deals with any team. May wish unrestricted free. Agents of course They can they can work out those deals. They could even sign those deals but they cannot be officially processed by the nfl until four o'clock on wednesday at the start of the new league year. But you can get everything all set up so if you think you know what. I'm just going to check out of the nfl until until wednesday around four o'clock you're going to miss all the best action because when things are going to start his on monday when that legal tapering period starts off I'm trying to remember. It's at four pm or if it's at noon on last year. I'm pretty sure it was at noon. But i can't recall the exact time of day that it's going to start on monday. So buckle up. There's going to be a lot going on with that. And so you're saying okay. So the salary cap comes in. How do the steelers look actually right. Now they're a little bit under the cap there at least five billion dollars or so under this cap of one eighty two point five as of right now that could i'm going to be a little bit more than that. It could be over six million dollars because it was reported. The derrick watson restructured. His contract that saves about. I think it was like eight hundred and eighty thousand dollars off the salary cap which is interesting because some people like. Why don't they just cut him. Well when you talk about roster of miss replacement you're talking of it's only an extra hundred thousand dollars that they would have saved otherwise so it really did make sense to just keep their walk core special teams guy people. Just look at him from the fullback perspective. And they're like oh man what are we doing. You know steelers aren't using the fullback enough. Why even bother. Because guess what derek. What is a key special teams player. And you can't say that special teams guys. Don't matter when tyler medicaid vich signs deal for two years over seven million dollars with buffalo last year just to be a special teams guy. So i mean he's still depth at linebacker. But that's what you're going to pay for those key special special teams guys. It's just kind of how it's gonna work so with that. The steelers are under. They're going to be having an article out sometime at behind. The curtain dot com. Your one stop shop for all things. Pittsburgh steelers probably even on thursday. Probably today that it's going to be out outlining alright. So here's where the steeler stand with the cap but is this good enough because there's other things coming. The steelers are going to have to sign their draft class. And we'll talk about that in just a second because that changed a little bit. They're going to have to eventually come. September pay for those that that fifty second and fifty third guy on the roster the going to have to sign a practice squad. They're also going to carry some money into the season in order to do some business in case of injuries or things like that but you know what those are. All numbers don't matter come march seventeenth four clock. Those numbers matter later the steelers just have to make sure that are under the cap and operate by signing people and everything else by staying under that cap now. They can do other things with in the future for example. I've said many times. You're looking at a restructure most likely of stefan to it's but it's probably not happening yet because his current contract is under the old cba and because it's under the old cba what that means is that he his contract doesn't have stipulations in for how the nfl seventeenth game and how compensated for that. And he'd actually be set to lose money if they did the restructure now on so the steelers would have to adjust. Add a little bit and they don't know if they're adjusting that because they don't know then has announced a definite seventeenth game and that could be what holds it up but that could also be used to make sure you have that money later so That's would you know to help pay for those things that you're going to need come september so there's other options i mean last thing it was david. Decastro did his restructure. It was one that was i think during training camp was like the last one done or was later in the summer if it wasn't all the way training camp and that allow the steelers to have that operating room there so there's a lot of things that they can do with the salary cap but we at least know the number now of one hundred eighty two point five million then of course. You're getting a flurry of moves around the nfl. Lots of players being released things of that nature the steelers. You're signing some of their free agents so far they've only signed their exclusive rights and possibly restricted free agents. Like ray ray. Mcleod like marcus. Some of those players. What the steelers are you gonna do with their other. Free agents still remains to be seen. The steelers did not use the franchise tag on anyone as expected so but the other news came about on wednesday was also. Because i said we'd get back to the steelers draft a little bit. They announced the compensatory picks for the two thousand twenty one draft and it was projected that the steelers were going to get two out of the possible three that they would have been eligible for but the third one appeared that it was not in the top. Thirty two was just out of that because they only award thirty two of them. There aren't any seventh round complex complex this year because they ran out. The nfl ran out of the number of picks before they got to the seventh round. The steelers had another sixth route. I mean possibly to six rounders and apparently they never got to either one of them. I raise the question of did. The sean davis departure because you know he went to washington got cut at the end of training. Camp came back to pittsburgh. Did that ultimately not count as a loss for the steelers with the new. Cba where they laid out some stuff and they changed the dates from how it worked the year before if you remember because the eagles cut eljay for the steelers ended up having released onto moncrieff in order to still get their third round comp for levy on bell. It was kind of a mess and to keep from doing that. The nfl did not say that there was a date like that in there so that was one thing the another reason that the steelers might have missed out on that other pick was because you get extra points in your standing duchess. It's not just based on your salary based on your nfl playing time and it's it's not special teams playing time. It's offense playing time defensive playing time unless you're kicker then there's a different formula for kickers but the problem was these players that the steelers lost didn't play then plan twenty twenty significantly for example. Sean davis he played zero snaps in washington. If that's where it counts if he even counted then you have somebody like bj finney who did not play a single offensive. Snap and in order for this. Stephen king you have to play at least twenty five percent of the snaps. He didn't play enough snaps. Tyler medicaid didn't play enough snaps on defense so that kind of hurt their value a little bit. So that's kind of how that works for the steelers. Got one more draft pick. And if i have a calculated correct. I've seen conflicting reports. But i am fairly certain that at the steelers have a eight draft picks this year because although they don't have all their own draft picks they they have three different places where they supposedly swapped draft picks this season they in various trades. The steelers gave up their fifth and picked up a seventh from baltimore when they got chris warmly. The steelers gave up their sixth and seventh at finishing out. The mika fitzpatrick trade. The steelers also gained a sixth and lost their seventh when they traded jer. Gerald hawkins a couple years ago. Who would ironic was back with the steelers again so they made that trade of swapping sixth seventh and two years ago. Now now it's coming back. So the way i have it that the steelers have first. Second third fourth the compensatory fourth round pick that they got no fifth round. Pick six seven seven. That's how i have a calculator right. Now we'll see if that's really how it all comes down with all of that but let's get into the title of the show here now that run down a bunch of i mean i told you is going to be a lot of numbers ran out a bunch of numbers already before we get into ben roethlisberger contract and the whole reason. We're getting into burgers. Contract is because. I was asked a question about this. I was asked us by anomalous at one. I know gonna mess up one's name. I think it's one one. Quintana is where. I got the email from. And he was saying that the he hoped that we would write on the website. Or talk about more about Ben rothlisberger cap savings because he still doesn't quite understand how it all worked out so since he asked the question. I'm going to answer it. I know lot of you might have understood this anyway. But i'm going to bring this up so to run through these numbers and say if your head feels like you're going to expose that explode after said and done don't worry the the second part of the show is going to be something not as not as number oriented shockingly for static but ben rothlisberger before this new contract. He was supposed to have a twenty two point. Two five million dollar dead money hits which there was nothing that the steelers could do about that. Nothing game he was supposed to have a four million dollar based salary and a fifteen million dollar signing bonus so he was going to be paid nineteen million dollars then he was going to have the twenty two point. Two five million dollar dead money cap. That's not money that he he was already paid that ago. So it's not money that had to go out to them to only money. That was coming to him. This year was the nineteen million dollars at a lot of times. That's a problem that we have fans. Is we look at a player's cap number and we think that's the money they're earning this year and that's not true. That's not the way it works because the that's because the players have a lot of it they have been paid the money. And that's what you get that first year or two lower cap hit where they actually got paid a lot of money. 'cause they're signing bonus get spread out. Which is what we're gonna talk about here. So ben rothlisberger only have one year left on his contract. It was for twenty twenty one and that was what was left so he would need either an extension or a whole new contracts. The way they looked at is that this is that this was a new contract for him and the way it was laid out was right off the bat to twenty two point. Two five million dollars Salary cap dead money hit. That's going towards this year salary cap no matter what it was going to be there. It's still there so the question is how much did his cap number. Go up above that because it was supposed to be forty one and a quarter million but they cut off more than fifteen million dollars of that and the way they did. It was was like this. They gave ben rothlisberger the the league minimum salary for twenty twenty one which is one million seven hundred fifty thousand dollars so that's one point. Zero seven five million. So that's what he got. Ben roethlisberger took five million dollars less money than what he would have been paid if he just played out the last year of his deal so he would have been paid nineteen million dollars instead. He's being paid fourteen million dollars because he's getting paid that one point seven five million base salary and then the remaining twelve point nine to five million dollars he was given as a signing bonus now like any time a players given a signing bonus that signing bonus gets split up and spread out into each year for the remainder of the contract for up to five years. You gotta remember that the five years. 'cause if you if you draw if you sign a seven year contract you're signing bonus only go through the first five those last two years that the money's used up by then so what the steelers did as they did something. They've never done before. The used void years which the only difference between a void year contract and a regular year. Contract is the base salary in a void year. There is no base salary given to the player and because there's no base salary that means they are not under contract. So you're saying well. Then what's the use of these void years. What it does is when you add these void years. It s- spreads out that salary cap hit. If the steelers would have added one void year that twenty nine between nine twelve point nine to five million dollar signing bonus would have been split up over two seasons half of it and twenty twenty one half of it in two thousand twenty two. that's the added. One void year by adding to void years. Because remember you already had already has twenty twenty one. He has a base salary of this year. So one void. You're beyond that is two years on the contract so they had if you had a second void year. That means you're three years on the contract so you're taking that twelve point nine to five million and dividing by three. Okay well that makes it a little bit lower number. Well what if you divided by four by adding another void year. That's really nice. What the steelers ultimately did was they gave him four avoid years four void years which means the number that the twelve point nine five was divided. Twelve point nine to five was divided by was five which means out of that money. Two point five. Eight five million dollars are counting each year for twenty twenty one twenty twenty two twenty twenty three twenty twenty four twenty twenty five. That's the way that works now. We'll come back to that in a second. 'cause we'll talk about the future so the way works is you take that two point. Five eight five million dollars added to the other dead money ben. Roethlisberger was already going to have which was the twenty two point two five and you get a pro rated bonus of four point eight three five. That's your dead money hit for this year. I on his base salary of one point seven five and does burgers cap number for this year. Although he's getting paid forty million dollars cap number on top of everything is twenty five point. Nine one million dollars like wow. He's counting that much. Remember twenty two point. Two five of that was going to count this year. No matter what so by doing this deal. Rothlisberger is now counting. Only just under twenty six million. So you're talking less than four million dollars less than three and three quarter million dollars above what he was going to count anyway on the cap in order to keep him now. What happens if they say well. What if you cut rothlisberger right now. Yeah not only does that money come to all the rest from the void years comes due and it would call his cap his his dead money hit this year would be Like thirty five million dollars. You're it's i mean it's it's just doesn't make sense it's called. It would cost over nine million dollars more to not have been rothlisberger team at this point than it would be for him to be there. So that's just how it works now. The void years back to that real quick the way this breaks down as i know the first instincts people saying wow you mean to tell me that two point five eight billion dollars is going to be on our salary cap through twenty twenty five over those four years. Now doesn't work that way because once once that contract voids wants ben. Rothlisberger does not have a base salary with the steelers anymore. All that leftover money all get shot up into that first year. So the two point. Five eight million from twenty twenty two twenty twenty three twenty twenty. Four twenty twenty-five all gets lumped together and would count against the cap next year. If there's no ben roethlisberger and the steelers which ultimately comes to ten point three four million which wow still have a ten million dollar cap hit after he's gone. Yeah but that's way better than twenty two and a quarter. And i actually did an article about this. How it's comparable it's less than what. What say peyton manning left at the colts. It's more than what he left with the broncos but let somebody left with the colts. It's more than what tom brady. left with. The patriots last year It's going to be more than with the whole drew brees situation which is just completely different confusing situation that i don't really have time to dive into right now. The only reason he's still under contract is because they're trying to cut his dead cap hit into two seasons. That's the only reason why theres's not retired and will not into after june first so now. What if ben roethlisberger comes back inside. Another deal with the steelers. Well guess what that two point eight five is still there for twenty twenty two and every year beyond that. It's the it's the year that he doesn't come back is when it all would bump up. But he would. He would need a new contract in order to come back. So that's how that numbers works. That's how they saved over fifteen million dollars with ben rothlisberger. If you're one of those nerdy that just wanted to know the numbers about it. That's the number. So bottom line is over. Fifteen million dollars saved for this year so his cap hit went from forty one point. Two five million down to twenty five point nine one million. It does carry a dead money. Hit of ten point three four million next year. If this is ben's last year which is better and five million dollars just one away he just took the cut so you have to commend ben for that with that. We've gone way over in the first half. That's okay because the second half isn't going to be nearly as long. We're gonna take a quick break when we come back we're gonna talk about These free agents and something that might have might affect some of them m and the question was what was no. No preseason do last year. Is they're still going to be lingering effects. Even the free agency stick around. We'll be right back after this quake tampa support for this episode comes from locker room the app. That's changing the way we talk. Sports locker room is a sports fans. Dream come true. It's a live audio platform that lets you connect with other fans experts. And even the athletes themselves locker room makes it easy to start your own conversations. Talk about the latest rumors. Takes news and teams. You care about most join massive. 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Because i got a question and i wanted to answer it even though it's not a big stats question. It is just something that's interesting to think about in this came from boo bash. Who we've heard from before how does last year's lack of a preseason positively negatively affect free agency this all right well you gotta look at it from multiple perspectives. You want us know how it affects the players and free agency. How does it affect. Let's say the steelers franchise free agency. How would it affect. Some of their players became the easy answer is for the high tier free agency. Free agency free agents about the hit. Free agency probably had zero effect. None because teams aren't going to look at what happened in the preseason last year to affect or in order to evaluate your play that you had throughout twenty twenty. That's that's one who it's going to affect the lower end free agents because you let's say if the player that was in a backup role didn't really get on the field because they were in a backup role that was hoping maybe some teams that take a flyer on they could earn a starting spot somewhere else. The problem was if you didn't have those preseason games you didn't get tape in other words players. Want to get good tape out there and if you're a player that's not a regular starter where you gonna. Where are you going to get more of a volume of your tape. It could be in the preseason. I'm gonna use an example for the steelers. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with cam sudden now. I know cam sutton played a lot of snaps for the steelers last year. But he didn't play the majority of snaps in the outside regular. Starting cornerback position so he got most of his in some package where he was acting as either you know nickel dime those various things. So that's what it's a player like that where the preseason very well possibly on just so you know kim sutton did play over fifty percent of the steelers defensive snaps last year so he's not the best example but he's what i'm but i'm trying to get there in the preseason. There probably would have been a much better chance for camp sutton to get out there of how he is as an outside corner. It would've given more of an opportunity to show what he could do as a starting corner on the outside rather than just being just a slot guy or or or a dime guy. So that's something that you think of. I wouldn't even know what you think would be able to be crazy. What about zach. Banner now better was the starting right tackle for the steelers but he didn't even finish the first game because of injury if he would have had not so. The problem is gonna small sample size if banner would have also had quality play in the preseason last year to go along with what he did in his one game he might have had more of a market. He just doesn't have a large sample size. he would have got a much bigger sample size. Teams would have seen why he won the starting job at right tackle and it would have probably increases value now from the steelers perspective by not having these players. That weren't guys that played played a lot and everything. I'm trying to think of another example. Like maybe an old idea who is a restricted free agent for the steelers. But i don't see them offering about a tender because it will just be way too expensive that he's going to probably shift into being an unrestricted free agent. So someone like that. If he would've played a lot in the preseason then he would have had even more tape out there for teams to say. Oh let's see if we can get this guy to compete to you. Know to play on the edge for us so a player like that is bad for the player but it might be good for the steelers because their market might not be as high otherwise as it would have been had they had more tape out there even just from the preseason so there's that aspect of it also the the no preseason. It's really going to help guys that probably the steelers sign on futures contracts. That were their practice squad things like that that you didn't get any tape on them and there was no tape from the preseason. Those those guys. That's why it would why that's why it was wise for many of them to stick with the steelers because they at least familiar with them and you could think well maybe someone else will get you know it might be a better shot somewhere else. But they don't know anything about you because you didn't have that tape in the preseason last year those are the players that it affects more than anything. So what you're talking about the the big guys. The juju smith schuster bundy praise. Yeah that isn't going to affect them as much. So that's how it is from losing your free agents now if you want to look at the steelers at gaining free agents take all those types of players that i just mentioned like an all dania and someone like that on the and imagine that type of player on another squad and now the steelers who might be like whoa that someone might want to look into. They didn't have that opportunity in preseason. If you want an example think of years ago how did alejandro villanueva end up with the pittsburgh steelers. Because they saw him. Mike tomlin tells the story that he saw a guy over there standing one head taller than everybody else. Who's this guy. And then he saw saw them in that. Preseason game playing defensive line he's like nah man this he's got all the attributes for ovens of line and the steelers went signed him to the practice squad started working on being offensive lineman. What do you know he's been there left tackle for a very long. I'd say very long time. It's been our hundred villanueva or kelvin. Beecham as the steelers starting tackle for an extremely long period of time. I mean i've looked at it. I think it was the christmas day. Game against the texans was the last time somebody else played left. Tackle for the steelers kind of crazy. 'cause i don't believe in happened the season but that was a situation like that without the preseason someone like that to the steelers could pick up from somewhere else. I mean think about some of these players that the steelers from other teams that that they might have seen them in the preseason. I'm thinking like a robert. Spelane thinking matt feiler. I'm thinking of players like that. The steelers found potential in somewhere else. What really the only option these players had to play in the preseason and the steelers fan found them in. Groom them into something. You didn't get that twenty twenty so that does make that aspect of it much harder but it also allows you to quote unquote. Keep your own if you know what i mean. So it plays into it as a factor but it has both a positive and negative factor both from the franchise when it comes to the players. It's probably those kinds of players is probably more of a negative because your options weren't out there to other places you're going to have to probably stick with. Who knew you because you weren't able to get your tape out there to others so that was to answer that question about the lack of a preseason from last season It's going to be interesting to see what the nfl does with the pre season this year. If they go to seventeen games they got to go back to only three preseason games at the most a c- exactly what they're gonna do. But i want to remind you please. If you have a question particular question but as you can see it didn't have to be a good stats question right there. 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Fred Hampton's Legacy in Chicago 50 Years After His Killing

Reset with Jenn White

18:59 min | 1 year ago

Fred Hampton's Legacy in Chicago 50 Years After His Killing

"Hi I'm Jen White and this is reset today on the show. We'll take a look at what you need to know about Ashikaga winter parking ban. It's one of those things where we're not really questioning why it is that we're doing something like this. We have this built in cash cow for this private company to just go in until these cars and days as sometimes when it's seventy degrees and sunny but first remembering Black Panther leader Fred Hampton Bat. Glad you're still going to call. That's the voice of Fred Hampton Hampton. He was a leader in the Illinois. Chapter of the Black Panther Party in the late sixties today marks fifty years since Chicago. Police officers shot and killed Hampton as as he lay in bed at his west side home in the late nineteen sixties Hampton organized a multiracial alliance between the Black Panthers and other groups in Chicago they included the young Lords. A Puerto Rican gang turned civil rights organization and the Young Patriots which was mostly made up of working class white migrants from APPALACHIA. The alliance was called the Rainbow Rainbow. Coalition Fred Hampton was just twenty one years old when he was shot and killed but his legacy looms large in Chicago. Joining me now to discuss Hamptons Life vend work is attorney Jeff Haas he represented Hampton and other Black Panthers at the People's law office. He's also the author of the book the assassination of Fred Hampton how the FBI FBI and the Chicago police murdered a Black Panther. Jeff Haass welcome to reset. Thank you very much. Glad to be here so tell us just a bit more about Fred Hampton and how he became connected with the panthers well. Fred was dynamic young leader from the early age. He was a tremendous speaker. He memorized the speeches of Dr King and Malcolm connects and he played. He went to Church and listened. Any put together sort of the energy of a rapper with the vision and the cadence of a preacher. And somehow somehow when he spoke to crowds. And you heard just a little bit of that in your in your entry in your introduction. There he really could move people whether it was law students whether it was Hispanics panics Puerto Ricans Appalachians and of course particularly people in the black community Whether it was welcome members are gang members All all of these people were very much affected by a fed was very effective in organizing them and reaching them and mobilizing them. When did you first meet him? I just uh-huh at Fred. When I went to the speech that you played a part of when he came out of prison in the August of one thousand nine hundred sixty nine and he'd been sent down there on a bogus charge which of taking ice cream from an ice cream vendor for which Edward Hanrahan they ambitious prosecutor and likely heir to the original Mayor Daley gave him two to five years ears and he came back and spoke in Church and my partner Flynn Taylor and our there and I think I listened to him and listened to his story and he made us all stand end up and then did made us but it said stand up and say I am and I said I am and he said a revolutionary and at that point I was a young lawyer for the movement but I didn't consider myself south in the movement and but by the fourth or fifth time I was chanting and believing it as much as everybody else and it was a really powerful powerful speech And I think that energy of Fred was why he was picked to be the chairman of the Black Panther Party. He was being considered for National Central Committee of the Party. And why he was targeted bigoted. Both by the local police and ultimately we learned of course by the FBI now the Black Panthers based their work on a ten point plan. Can you just explain how the plan works. Well the ten point program was actually pretty pretty basic it included land bread housing education clothing justice and peace and they called for an end to mass. Incarceration police brutality. And the drafting of black people into America's wars some of those demands don't seem so crazy are so different different from what black lives matter and other groups are demanding today and I think that's that format It's partly a socialist platform. But it's partially saying these are human rights. We should all have the right to a decent education to medical care things that are very much prominent today and the panthers were not saying we're GonNa win a revolution. We want the people to demand those things and right now today I think people more and more saying these are things. We should be entitled to part of Fred Hampton's Legacy Z.. Include his organization of a multiracial. Alliance Call the Rainbow Coalition. who was a part of that alliance and what were their shared goals? That brought them together. Fed Fan as you said It was Fred Hampton. It was the panthers it was the young Lords Puerto Rican group that Started as a gang and ended up. Organizing against the urban ization they're kicking of Puerto Ricans out of the Lincoln Park area And the young patriots who are more or less immigrants who had come from West Virginia and Kentucky from Coal Coal-mining Family's poor appalachians who had migrated to Chicago and they suffered many of the same things to in particularly. They suffered police brutality and really bad housing as well as bad schools and so they came together around these issues That affected all of their communities. And that was another way that Fred was a threat threat. Any also attempted to bring the gangs together in Chicago Particularly the blackstone rangers and the disciples and he met with the leaders and he said we should be doing things for our for community not are not against our community and it had some resonance. I can't say that everybody Accepted it the disciples did a little more than the Rangers but that potential I think was what also really made him fearful in Chicago that he could create a new power base here. Where do we see his legacy at work today in Chicago? Well I I see the the campaign and the amount of organizing that went into exposing and and then getting the killer of liquid McDonald prosecuted is one of the areas that we we see it today and here was a police killing. Of course we ended up with video of it but the community didn't stop black lives matter didn't stop like youth hundred didn't stop Asada daughters. I'm here all kinds of groups in Chicago came together and they went not just the city hall. They went to court and the first Chicago policeman actually indicted for murder and they kept that up and he did get convicted We I also saw some of the remnants have have a police responded the police chief covered up the fraternal order of police defended The shooting of lochlann McDonald's seventeen in times So we saw that too but I think that was one of the examples. I think the follow through on what happened with the Burj torture cases. That not not only did they get report. We get reparations for the victims but actually Not only do we get some money for the actual victims but reparations for the families a recognition by the city of Chicago that they allowed in condone police torture of blacks. So I see that that spirit continuing in that campaign against police lease brutality. We see it. In efforts to end. Mass incarceration to provide bail for people who have just been charged so in in a number of areas. I think the The legacy is very clear and also some of the militancy of young people today. You're one of the attorneys who went after see. PD and the FBI. After hamptons silence killing in lawsuits took more than a decade to settle but in the process of getting those lawsuits through the court system. What was uncovered about about the federal government's relationship to staff? When I think we originally find it when it turned out that we the evidence showed that it was a shoot in out of shootout ninety? Seven police shots. That's two one panther shot. That was fired after the person was hit because it went up into the ceiling And we expose that and got attempted. Murder charges dropped against the panthers. We we filed a civil suit against Hanrahan and the police but in the course of this sued in the course of the Church Committee on covering things and also at being exposed that one one of the key people in the panthers was an FBI informant. We show that actually this was not just a local ambitious prosecutor leading the police. This was part of the FBI's he is Cohen Program a clandestine FBI program that targeted the entire black movement including Dr King. They attempted to blackmail him with tapes of supposedly in an illicit affair. But it out particularly the panthers and J. Edgar Hoover gave directions to every FBI office. That had a panther to destroy disrupt and neutralize the panthers by any means necessary prevent the rise of Young Messiah. Who could unify an electrified? The masses and we think that's who fed Hampton was to the FBI and we think targeted him not only you have those mandates what we uncovered was a floor plan at the FBI. Informant actually provided the raiders complete with not only the layout of the house where Fred Hampton apartment. But the bed where Fred Hampton would would be sleeping and sure enough when we followed the trajectory of the shots. They went toward that band and has his fiancee. who was in bed with him? Eight months pregnant reported portent. After they pulled her out of the room they went back in and one police officer said is he dead yet and she heard two shots and then she heard He he's AH good and dead now and turns out that Fred Hampton was actually killed by two parallel close in shots to his head So it really was an assassination and they went there with a mission the mission started with the FBI. What was the result of those lawsuits? The lawsuits well after eighteen months of trial. The judge tossed the case out while. The jury was deliberating On the grounds that there wasn't enough evidence to jury. We gathered the thirty. Three thousand in page transcript Broder and appeal in which we've and Filed wandered in and out in the last sentence was power to the people and fortunately we got a very good opinion from the seven circuit. WHO said there was more than enough evidence to go to the jury on the federal conspiracy to kill Fred Hampton and we got a new trial and that eventually led to a settlement of one point? Eight five million dollars for the families of Hampton and Clark and the other survivors. Four of whom were were actually hit with bullets were wounded and three of whom were illegally charged. What do you think the loss of Fred Hampton meant for the Black Panther Party and for Social Justice Movement as a whole in Chicago? I think it certainly frightened a lot of black panther members and all of us if the prosecutor who supposedly use the lock and be in charge of police who murdered somebody in in their bed at four thirty in the morning. What Kinda justice can we expect and I think in many ways people did somewhat leave the party I think in terms of the city of Chicago there were two legacies? One I think on the negative side I think gangs and drugs became more prevalent absent. The leadership of the Panthers and Fred Hampton in particular on the the other hand a coalition came together and particularly by the black community that might have been divided on the panthers but we're not divided on a young black leader being murdered in his bed at four thirty thirty in the morning and so that coalition of the black community and liberal whites was actually the coalition that I think elected hair Washington mayor some years later. It's the time of year when city parking gets trickier with more rules and regulations. The Chicago Winter Band went into effect earlier this week and more than two hundred cars were sent to the impound unjust the first night of the ban. WBZ Data editor Elliott Ramos. Stop by to break down what you need to know about the band and how to avoid getting your car towed. So this is not the two inch band. This is just on certain streets. So we're thinking Milwaukee Milwaukee Division Foster Clark devan Archer Madison It's it takes effect that three o'clock morning and it goes till seven o'clock in the morning and it's an automatic to- day. Just take it right off the street at three o'clock sharp. And what is the point of the band. What was the purpose for it so there was this big blizzard back in nineteen seventy nine? That's shutdown Chicago. And as a result Blanda who is mayor at the time He sort of was faulted for his response to it. So not yet here Jim Burn. She campaigned on it and and she won her election. Based off of having snow plan implement which went into effect in nineteen eighty when she took over when we look at how the band is being applied. Today's Today's I two hundred fifty cars up told that first night I is it doing what it's supposed to do. So this is one of those things where we just kind of our on. Repeat all the time time and it's one of those. It's Oh it's part of Chicago Pastime. And I it's just how we do things here and it's one of those things where we're not really questioning. Why why is that? We're doing something like this. It was put in effect in one thousand nine hundred whether or not. It's it's supposed to clear the road so the the plow trucks out can get out and about but most people will will notice that it's not snowing and most of the time. It's not snowing when it's in effect it's essentially a it's a it's an insurance policy on the fact that if it does snow but this thing was made before we were able to track weather a little bit better and it's not to say that can't happen and you have a surprise sort of build up of snow but this is before the Internet's before we had. GPS PS trackers on Oliver Plow trucks. And before we had a centralized response Called Snow Command. What kind of data do we have on the number of cars and get impounded on days when it's actually not snowing so the vast majority of the time It's it's not snowing so like one winter it might have only snowed. Five days in this is four or four month period. So you're talking about one hundred and twenty two days and only four. Those days may have saw snow so I think that was in two thousand seventeen. We had five six seven eight eight days of snow Before the year before that there was only seven In last year we actually had a really snowy weather but extended before and after the ban so this is is the other thing that's happening. Is that now with these. These weather changes in these polar vortex vortices you don't you really can't predict it and we have this winter inflexible luxeuil ban and that's kind of like one of the things that this is sort of the easy stuff to address what happens when the really hard stuff comes about when we think about okay who wins and who loses who benefits from this parking ban. It's the private telling contractor that The city hires United Rolling We paid them about one hundred thirty dollars for every told that's performed so even if somebody doesn't pay up the fees They get paid one hundred percent of time. So if we have a hundred and fifty dollars to- fee and they're getting one hundred thirty dollars of that That means they're getting most of the money. And the city will contend. This is not a revenue generator and I can actually verify it's not we're losing money on it That it's for safety reasons but it's one of those things where this we have. This built in cash cow for this private companies. Just go in until these cars days. Sometimes when it's seventy degrees degrees and sunny well who get hit the hardest wicker park believe it or not. The band has on Milwaukee in division and for those who know wicker Park Know that most of the Parking there as residential street parking so when people go and park on those major streets They get scooped up so they're one of the hardest so you said the city's losing money the on this. Do we know how much money we're talking about because we just had to close this eight hundred thirty eight million dollar budget gap. So I've been doing a lot Just telling program as a whole all and I pretty much say that when you factor in all the pension Streets and sanitation workers that work the impound lots We have field investigators that accompanied these these guys and then you were also paying out the the tow truck company so at best. We're probably breaking even but the there's all sorts of unforeseen costs in logistics. In doing that. So you can't really quantify the full scope of it well part of the concern. Is that many people who have their cars towed. They can't get them back and the city sells them doing have data. That can tell us how many of these cars that are being told during the band are actually being sold. So it's about it's about a hundred year And a lot of people think that like well don't park there but for one hundred fifty dollars for some people especially if you're under employed or unemployed is not easily accessible income like you will have to do a payday loan or something and then the longer it's in there the more storage fees rack up I've encountered individuals have hundreds of dollars storage fees because it only ever goes out so the band was initially instated in nineteen eighty. Have there been any updates between the now Yeah in the nineties. The the sort of Lakefront northside all them in in a band together to get it removed from parts of Sheridan and foster so Disband was meant to make a contiguous grid so that way you would have traffic flowing and those a CPA buses can get around but parts of it were removed from the north side back in the nineties and people kind of forgot about that so for anybody who lives in Rogers Park. There's a little corner Clarkin define that still has it and then it's not attached to anything else so that it actually stops going further south. You said this part of sort of I guess Chicago folklore if you will but but how do people really aware of this band when it goes into a fact because people are still getting towed. Yes so everyone's like well redesigns. The signs are not very clear clear because we combined it with the two inch ban which they they they run synonymous Lee but so the overnight parking man is on those major streets that I said earlier but the two inch rules are on in every arterial street in the city Chicago and they're not the same thing. The two one is like if there's two inches of snow but that's the other component of the nineteen eighty plan and and when I did Investigating Annette we found only to southside was hit with tickets for those. The city can't logistically to- every single car off every single major street in the city. It's not possible so it's kind of one of those things where we have it up there but it's it's part of folklore. Well Mayor Lightfoot Did take action on reforming the ticketing and debt collection election system in Chicago. Is this something else we might see. Hurt Ministration take on. I think that there's a lot of the different parts. So this is one aspect of the towing program program which includes crime related toes forfeiture Driving on suspended license and scofflaws in individuals that are in debt for ticket that so they have a lot of work cut out for them. I'm just unwind defines fees associated with it. But it's also her first winner and you can't falter for not tackling Chicago's problems all at once. And the I try. That's it for reset. Keep in touch with the show via twitter. We're at WBZ reset. I'm Jay Jay white pulp. Radio I'm Jen White. Thanks for listening and let's talk again tomorrow.

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Thu. 04/01  Microsofts Pentagon Deal Validates The AR Industry

Techmeme Ride Home

21:27 min | 6 months ago

Thu. 04/01 Microsofts Pentagon Deal Validates The AR Industry

"Welcome to the tech me. Right home for thursday april first. Twenty twenty one. I'm brian mccullough. Today microsoft big halloween deal with the pentagon is maybe the big bang for the augmented reality industry. Amazon says there folks can come back to work soon and in fact they prefer if they did perish signs for the work remotely movement. Why these are boom times for chip makers and why series new voices think of gender as a spectrum. Here's what you missed today in the world of tech big news for the augmented reality industry. Maybe the biggest news in the history of this nascent. The military says microsoft will build one hundred and twenty thousand custom. Hololens headsets for the us army. Validation of the use case for a are in some very serious real world conditions. Yes but also look at how much this validates the hololens as a business microsoft says the contract could be worth up to twenty one point. Eight billion dollars over ten years. Think of all those years and billions of dollars spent on moon shots over at google and in one fell swoop. Microsoft has been like yeah. Hold our beer as brad sam's tweeted and just like the rnd costs for this product have been more than recovered and quote and something tells me if these things prove useful we could eventually see way more than one hundred and twenty thousand units ordered quoting cnbc. This deal follows a four hundred and eighty million dollar contracts microsoft received to give the army prototypes of the integrated visual system or es in two thousand eighteen. The new deal will involve providing production versions the standard issue. Helen's which cost thirty five hundred dollars enables people to see holograms overlaid over their actual environments and interact using hand and voice gestures in iva s. Prototype that a cnbc reporter trade out in two thousand nineteen display a map and a compass and had thermal imaging to reveal people in the dark. The system could also show the aim for a weapon. Quote the ivy a headset based on holland's and augmented by microsoft azure cloud services delivers a platform. That will keep soldiers safer and make them more effective. Alex kitman a technical fellow at microsoft and the person who introduced the helen's in two thousand fifteen wrote in a blog post quote. The program delivers enhanced situational awareness enabling information sharing and decision making in a variety of scenarios and quote. The headset enables soldiers to fight rehearse and train in one system. The army said in a statement. The contract which was awarded on friday has a five year base period where they five year option after that and army spokesperson told cnbc an email. The pentagon did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The deal makes microsoft a more prominent technology supplier to the us military in two thousand nineteen microsoft. A contract to provide cloud services to the defense department beating out amazon. The leader of the public cloud market amazon has been challenging the contract which could be worth up to ten billion dollars in federal court. The deal shows microsoft can generate meaningful revenue from a futuristic product resulting from years of research beyond core areas such as operating systems and productivity software and quote. Yeah interesting points from daniel rubino on twitter quote people keep talking about air but as i said in the past number one microsoft is the only company with a are out in the field being used right now schools operating rooms factories and number two. It's the only air system actually making real money today. Apple will likely nail consumer ar but for the rest of the working world. Microsoft has a massive head. Start already and quote on the return to normalcy. Watch amazon says it expects some of its employees to start coming back to the office as early as the summer and most of its staff back at the office. This fall quoting cnbc. The plan signal. That amazon doesn't intend to follow in the footsteps of other tech companies by allowing employees to continue to work remotely or via a hybrid model. Microsoft facebook salesforce twitter and square have all embraced the possibility of more remote work. After the pandemic quote our plan is to to an office centric culture. As our baseline amazon told employees in the memo. We believe it enables us to invent collaborate and learn together. Most effectively and quote some of amazon's employees in asia are already back in the office. Roughly ten percent of its corporate population quote currently works from an office each day. The company said amazon emphasized in the memo that it expects the return to work process to be gradual. The timelines for returning to the office will vary by country. Depending on the infection and vaccination rates amazon said the company will continue to require social distancing face mass office occupancy limits temperature screenings and other safety measures at its offices and quote. Well remember all along. I've remained sceptical. That the work remotely revolution would be as revolutionary as some people seem to think it will be and i think i've said several times that you know. How can you be sure your boss will let you skip out on showing your smiling face every day like bosses like the ability to you know. Supervise you so whispered softly but might this be an early sign that you may want. Wanna take the under on this work remotely bet. This news comes after a memo leaked from google telling employees that it expects some us-based workers to return to the office in april but won't require employees to come in until at least september quoting the new york times workers at google will have the option to return in april vienna sacconi google's chief people officer told employees in an email seen by the new york. Times offices will operate at a limited capacity and reopenings will vary state by state based on the number of corona virus cases in the ms sacconi said quote offices will begin to open in a limited capacity based on specific criteria that includes increases in vaccine availability and downward trends in covid nineteen cases. Ms coney wrote we advise you to get a vaccine though. It will not be mandatory to have one in order for google earth to return to the office and quote. Workers who do opt to return will be required to wear masks practice social distancing and pass a health survey google said and quote. Remember that fifty two week high. An all time high stock screener that i set up to give us an early warning. About what tech companies are killing it before the rest of us know. They're killing it well. Since the beginning of the year those screeners have been screaming chip companies. For example t. m. c. over. The last month has rocketed so much in value. It is now one of the ten most valuable companies in the world but even applied materials and lam research have seen their stocks gained a hundred and ninety one percent and one hundred forty eight percent respectively over the last year texas instruments and all time high today on semiconductor all-time highs today. We've been talking about the chip shortage globally. So it's not like this should come as much of a surprise. You shouldn't need a stock screener to tell you that everything needs silicon now. So the overall addressable market for silicon producers has expanded beyond just computers and electronics cell phones to basically everything and a shortage of supply means of course a lot of demand. So problem is ramping up to address. The demand for semiconductors is an issue because in the semiconductor and face ramping up. Production is a notoriously capital intensive problem. So it should probably not be a surprise. Either that tsmc has announced plans to spend one hundred billion dollars over the next three years to expand its chip fabrication capacity. That's huge quoting bloomberg. Tsmc the world's leading manufacturer of advanced. Semiconductors already planned a record capital expenditure of as much as twenty eight billion dollars this year but recent trends and developments have pushed for even more capacity now at the center of a global chip supply. Crunch taiwan's biggest. Company has pledged to work with customers across industries to overcome a deluge of demand. It's unclear how tsmc with twenty eight billion dollars of cash and equivalents on its balance sheet at the end of december intends to finance. That record outlay which underscores the enormous capital required to stay at the forefront of the industry relied on by everyone from apple and qualcomm nvidia and advanced micro devices. Tsmc is the world's go to semiconductor foundry or producer of chips designed by others. The silicon it turns out goes into practically every modern piece of electronics from smartphones and smart fridges to connected cars in a letter to customers obtained by bloomberg news. Tsmc chief executive officer see way wrote the company's fabs have been quote running at over utilization over the past twelve months and quote but demand still outpaced supply. Thousands of new employees are being hired and multiple. New factories are under construction. He added and tmc will suspend wafer price reductions for a year from the start of two thousand. Twenty two and quote. 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You'll get up to a fifty dollar e gift card with a new membership. Simply visit air medicare network dot com slash tech and use offer kotecki. That's air medicare network dot com slash tech offer. Code tech. apple is introducing two new siri voices for english speakers and eliminated the default selection of a female voice as part of fourteen. Five beta. six quoting techcrunch in some countries language. Is siri already defaults to a male voice but this change makes the choice the users for the first time what we're excited to introduce two new series voices for english speakers and the option for syria users to select the voice. They want when they set up their device. A statement from apple reads. This is a continuation of apple's longstanding commitment to diversity inclusion and products and services that are designed to better reflect the diversity of the world. We live in the two new voices us source talent recordings that are then run through. Apple's neural text to speech. Engine making the voices flow more organically through phrases that are actually being generated on the fly. I've heard the new voices and they sound pretty fantastic with natural inflection and smooth transitions. There'll be a welcome addition of choices to users and quote. Actually john gruber posted recording of the new voices which grabbed from twitter. There's a total of four voices. You're about to hear the first in the last are the existing siri voices. It's the middle to that are. The new ones are play at twice. Hi i'm seri- choose the voice you'd like to use. Hi i'm seri- choose the voice you'd like to use. Hi i'm seri- choose the voice you'd like me to use. Hi i'm seri- choose voice. He'd like to use. Hi i'm seri- choose the voice you'd like me to use. Hi i'm seri- choose the voice. You'd like me to use. Hi i'm seri- choose the voice. You'd like me to us. Hi i'm seri- choose the voice he'd like to use streaming wars going to war or something sources are telling bloomberg that comcast own nbc. Universal is considering pulling its movies from. Hbo max net flicks and keeping future content releases as peacock only exclusives quote currently hbo. Max pays for the rights to show universal pictures movies about nine months after they leave theaters while netflix has a similar deal for animated films from elimination entertainment. The affiliated studio behind the despicable me features both of those deals expire at the end of this year. Nbc universal hadn't made a final decision about what to do said the people who asked not to be identified discussing internal deliberations senior executives are open to new deals with third parties like hbo maxima flex which generated hundreds of millions of dollars a year but they are also struggling to rationalize giving some of their most popular titles to competitors. The outcome of the deliberations will say a lot about comcast commitment to peacock a year old streaming service. That has thirty three million accounts. The company has yet to commit as much money to original programming as some rivals as recently as last summer universal was leaning towards licensing. It's movies to other companies. But the pandemic has delayed and complicated negotiations that began more than a year ago. Some executives at nbc universal have also discussed a hybrid deal in which peacock would share rights with another service as it does with disney's hulu on the sitcom modern family. That way nbc. Universal could use the movies to boost. Its own service without surrendering all of the licensing. Money and quote yes. They don't call it. The innovators dilemma for nothing. When do you kill your darlings. Eat your young killer. Golden goose pick a metaphor. If you do it too soon you basically starve your business of the revenue. It needs to make a successful transition but wait too long and you might miss the boat entirely finally today. I can't remember if we've spoken about this on the show before or not but we have an interesting race today from a start up with a business that i find absolutely fascinating thrust. Ceo is one of those startups that goes around acquiring third party sellers that primarily do their business on amazon's third party platform everything from mom and pop shops to multimillion dollar retailers. And then rolls them all up into one big enterprise threat show which was early to the space now says it has acquired and consolidated six thousand third party amazon sellers and to keep its foot on the gas. It is adding a one hundred million dollars extension to. It's six week old. Seven hundred and fifty million dollars series. C round quoting tech crunch josh silverstein. Who is the co founder and co ceo with carlos cashman said threats yo is not disclosing valuation except to note that it is fifty percent higher than it was a month ago and that the company is profitable on one hundred million dollars in revenues. He said for some context reported on the seven hundred and fifty million dollar round. We noted that the valuation was potentially between three billion four billion dollars. All a spokesperson would tell us at the time was that it was less than ten billion though. A debt round in january put valuation at around three billion. It now has raised total of one point. Eight five million dollars in equity and debt silberstein said the latest. One hundred million dollars is coming from previous backers that didn't get the allocation. They hope for in the previous financing. The list of past. Bekker's includes oaktree advent peak six western technology investment and jason finger. The co founder of one of the early players in the food delivery. Space seamless by one estimate. There are about five million. Third party sellers on amazon today. A number that appears to be growing exponentially with more than one million sellers joining the platform in two thousand twenty alone does business. Model is based around the premise. That most of them are not that well prepared to scale when and if the most successful of this lot see their products takeoff silverstein anthrax. Yo estimate that there are probably fifty thousand businesses. Selling on the amazon platform with fbi which is fulfillment by amazon. That are making one million dollars or more per year in revenues. What happens when you get into that. Price range is that it gets hard to grow your business and manage it. He said citing seo marketing and supply chain management as some of the challenges that means as you grow from one million to ten million. The margins would decrease and it gets even harder to make returns. We simply observe that reality that all these great companies have reached a point between a lack of access to capital and simply not being able to keep doing what they do. We thought if we acquired ten to twenty of these we would have the scale to build best in breed supply chain marketing and so on we would fix the problem and quote. They realized quickly though that there was an opportunity to take that even further and make that the business itself and so through. Ceo has been building a huge analytics. Engine that digs into amazon data and a lot more to determine which companies are interesting how to help them sell better and eventually to conceive of even bigger businesses outside of the amazon ecosystem covering other marketplaces other sales channels and direct to consumer sales and quote and as i mentioned. They're not the only ones to notice this angle. Though as one of the first maybe they inspired the half dozen or so well. Capitalized competitors now in the space including branded berlin brands group seller x. Heyday heroes and perch which have collectively raised over one billion dollars in the last couple of years alone. We did not do our twitter spaces experiment last night but we will tomorrow night friday night. I'll give you the official time at the end of tomorrow's show. So you can tune in on twitter tomorrow night if you choose but before then i do have yet another experiment to announce the folks at shuffled have apparently been listening to all of our ongoing experiments with audio rooms as new sort of podcast experience and they reached out to see if we wanted to sample a completely different experience from a completely different angle. And i was like why not so. Try this if you have an iphone goto the app store and download. The podcast app called shuffle. You'll be able to listen to today's episode while discussing it with other members of the mutant podcast army in real time. It's sort of like soundcloud. Maybe but for podcasts or maybe it doesn't discord channel or like a chat room. Where if you leave comments questions and the flow of the show itself others can see and respond or think of it as a space a room devoted just to this episode where you can commiserate with each other but it lives tied to each individual episodes so if you have a comment about say today's a our story or the returning to offices again story you can leave comments in real time with the segment you can come at segment by segment minute by minute tied to. I'm actually saying as i'm saying on the show. It's frankly a cool concept. So i thought why not give it a try. Search the app store for shuffled. Podcast it's just a podcast player but then search inside shuffled for techn- right home play today show and you'll be able to be in a room dedicated just to today's show and you can leave comments questions gifts the lot. Try it out. I will be on there all night and tomorrow to respond and lurk and leave some gifts myself so check it out. Cool little feature talk to you tomorrow.

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The Winning Bid for WeWork; Under Armours Handover; Trade & Taxes

Squawk Pod

31:39 min | 2 years ago

The Winning Bid for WeWork; Under Armours Handover; Trade & Taxes

"Things better that's why so many people work with IBM on everything from city traffic to ocean plastic new schools to new energy flight problems it's human nature to hate problems but why is that after all problems inspire us to mend things Ben things make the Kernan Andrew Ross sorkin first up on today's podcast we work it's been a wild nine year ride for this company a journey control to CNBC's essential morning show every day get the best stories debate and analysis from the biggest names in business and politics bringing show musically this squad the daily podcast brought to you by the team behind Squawk box thank the company that invested in Uber and slack is also one of we works largest backers and now it's trying to save its own investment here's Andrew with the story today rescuing we work and paying out the CEO that's unbelievable they'd offer more money paying twice economists art laffer forty seven billion dollars to less than ten all overseen by an eccentric and sometimes erratic leader Ataman also at the table for the last nine years soft good morning everybody welcome to squawks here on CNBC we are live from the Nasdaq market site in Times Square becky quick along with they will begin layoffs almost immediately if of two thousand people I don't know if you saw the other reports that came out yesterday which is that one of the reasons they delayed some of the earlier laughs as they couldn't afford in dollars shares that are held by other investors now as part of the South Bank would also put together five billion dollars in loans from a consortium of financial institutions that would also include itself and as part of all of that sources say that Softbank will pay founder Adam Newman around two hundred million dollars to leave the board whenever we've lowered the rates on the rich revenues gone way up these people can get around your taxes joe the man behind the laffer curve weighs in on the ideal tax rates take a controlling stake in the company already poured with ten billion dollars into that company and the decision could come as early as today let's walk through both of the packages because they're fast unto themselves the rescue package from Softbank includes accelerate a one point five billion dollar investment that it had planned to make next year and then buying up to an additional three alien you're effectively paying him twice you're GonNa pay for the shares you're GONNA pay him separately and meanwhile shirt at meanwhile not only that the severance for them so you have so they're going to wait and see if they were going to bankruptcy you're gonNA wait here for Adam Newman to take his two hundred million dollars to go home I'm to one percent and Senator Chuck Grassley on phase one when you consider that China's fifteen percent of the world's economy worked twenty two percent that's seven percent added together when they get together it's going to have an influence on the whole globe the Devil's in the details of the China trade deal we've got those stories and more how big news unless twenty four hours we works board now weighing two competing financial rescue offers we work expected to accept an offer from Softbank Room that was going to be what's called lead left for the IPO which of course is no longer happening they've put together a package that would add up to about five billion dollars and bring together give up his voting shares and support soft bank's takeover it's unbelievable it's unbelievable this guy already tapped out at the top outside investors this time including who was our guest host on Friday and and we've tried to push him on it but Barry Stern licks starwood capital as part of that group of the Oh by the way that that two hundred million dollars would keep him from filing for personal bankruptcy so it gets more interesting now J. P. Morgan has a second offer on the table this is the posed consists of several parts including new bonds some with some pretty high interest rates off banks offer with separately should tell you and this is the most astounding part of it all the whole company will be worth only eight billion dollars that's down from the forty seven billion dollar valuation before it attempted to go public and of course more than the entire total putting new leadership at under armour I'm CNBC producer Cameron Kosta it's Tuesday October twenty second two thousand nineteen squad begins right now in additional three and and then you're gonNA capture about five billion dollars from from other outside investors who will take on a debt pieces and then it's going to be worth it listening to that makes me think I'm never buying IPO I mean if if the people looking at we work in thinking about bringing public and talking about certain valuations they'd be down probably about five billion dollars just on a cash basis sure fourteen can go south I understand that but it it just Morgan Stanley at some points we're talking about sixty eighty I believe either Morgan Stanley Goldman Sachs at one point had a number that they'd presented to the board or to the company at least this is now probably twelve months ago amount of money that Softbank unto itself has put into the ten billion they're they're in for ten already ready you're going to put in an additional one point five then if you can raise two hundred million yes I'm for throughout I'm out of here if you want to talk about that how you'd like to eventually kickstarter campaign if the range was eight billion forty seven billion how would you ever get involved in somebody turned around a number like sixty at some point when they were trying to tell the way sacks a hundred million I was GonNa say like go fund me with your people on twitter or your should be easy I know I could raise human so not only did he take a lot of money out but he really was living high with everything he took off he has no money left at he what did he blew it all this will be good that's a good question in the journal over the weekend the the elitist rich people are now Democrats and all the working class normal people are are now and Maureen tell us a little bit about the details it looks like Softbank has won the bid from the board what what what does that deal entail sure so the deal entails as we reported you ve always represented yourself as a working class Stepford glassman yeah I tr- from Ohio you're from where scarsdale or something right no no no just won't be out of here if you can with your friends raise two hundred I will also a hundred hundred pop billion dollars and then it'll be worth less right so you have to gamble it will ultimately be right now it would be worth it'd be worth about the CO founder and CEO it looks like it's part of this he's GonNa get a package worth about one point seven billion dollars and that's the night in its three Credit Suisse and I believe UBS but I know it's getting more in Credit Suisse and those were collateralized against shares all leveraged he was completely leveraged with this yesterday that they're gonNa take over the company for about eight billion dollars probably the most stunning part of this deal the payout to Adam Newman eh clearly advantages him in a way that even with his controlling stake least the story broke throughout today's broadcast. Here's Becky joining us right now on the Squawk newsline with the latest is Maureen Farrell Ip on Capital Markets Reporter at the Wall Street Journal she broke this news cloy investors can sell at 'em based on his State it'll be up to roughly a billion dollars they're also gonNA pay up his alone he has a five hundred million dollars for the private jet happy with the two hundred million everything in a huge deal then by the way here's loans outstanding from Jay Dollar Maureen Watt Liar wire we work shareholders and employees not going to sue Adam Newman and sue Softbank for understanding is that consulting contract with one part of it the loan forgiveness but I think it's a good question it seems like you know demand it was over a hundred billion dollars on high end one hundred billion dollars to why the IPO closed with now the other thing I think is interesting so our buddy like into about three parts he'll be able to sell about a billion dollars stock into this tender offer that they're gonNA watch they're going to pay about three billion dollars employees who were hoping to participate in this IPO who who were led down a path a Pied Piper that that clearly steered them in a terrible direction that would be his own equity stake in the company but then when you had on top of that and advantage loan and then one hundred eight five million dollars in cash for all of those razer share do the elitist liberals actually have more money than the right wing greedy types that back media think which who has more money in order to me that that's what two hundred two hundred change package eight pocket lint I just got an email from a hedge fund manager with the subject line I can on that was coming do they're gonNA give him a new loan they're also going to give him a quote unquote consulting contract almost two hundred is is very questionable approach I think it's I mean it's are too early to say what happens I think that the issue is frankly frankly has done tremendous damage to him personally his own reputation and the Softbank Vision Fund and Softbank itself it raises lots of moral questions ethical questions and why frankly Softbank would actually even participate in something like this it's good it's money with my with my folks you could yeah we'll have to work in fact my folks probably won't it's tough getting this right I'm stuck here it's tough to say in two thousand people to be taking one hundred eighty five million dollar consulting arrangement I can understand potentially the billion dollar component of this given that that's being like during the negotiations with that he had the power he had this building control for they needed to find some way to get him to relinquish that raises is can you give founders these ten to one these you know elevated voting shares every has wanted them for the most part founders have been oh as you said employees investors could have sold shares and that was even far below where they last raised new money the forty seven billion dollars we've seen for every one hundred cash to indicate might take too by the way you might take it two yeah let's both work on its he got you know what you have a much better chance I think the people you know just from deal book and all that stuff and and their evaluation of their shares diminish rapidly and now the sun's GonNa look rewarding an individual who us rapidly shrinking valuation for this company and Yes employees are going to be let go in the coming months two thousand you know who knows where that end executive chairman and brand chief as under armor elevates Patrik Frisk the company's current president and chief operating officer to the role of I'd be surprised if they could they could stomach this kind of transaction on a morning like this because one of the reasons that he was willing to actually get out of this given the voting control and now you see what you have to do even when things go really wrong to get a founder out of voting control I mean this is this is such an founder and Frisk has been a key architect of this transformation plan he's reinvigorated the supply chain he's relooked at their sourcing capability extreme example but it's hard to imagine that this is not a tipping point where these kind of boating shares they found her the history now frisk did join under armor in July of two thousand seventeen from Aldo where he was the CEO working there also with a company trend for North American sales and we have a first on CNBC interview here coming up on Squawk box with both Kevin Plank CEO these changes are effective as of January first twenty twenty now plank of course has been the CEO of the company that he founded in his the bids begin as it turns out it was soft banks rescue bid that one we work if there's any winning to be had for calling in again marine for having me thank you making news under armor now just crossing the wires Courtney Reagan joins us with turn out of Newman was because other founders were disgusted by it but for him to now be paying him I I don't get it but we are at a time today but we want to thank you an Patrik Frisk to talk about this new leadership change the transition and much much more but of course again to reiterate those headlines under armor he's even re-targeted their customer so that's been a critical role for him to play here though of course there's still some work to be done North American the details what's up courtney good morning joe so here's some breaking news from under armour Kevin Plank who of course is the company's founder and CEO will be transitioning to the officer as of January first CNBC reporter Courtney Reagan caught up with under armour's Kevin Plank and Patrick Friskin Baltimore here are the L.'s still haven't quite stabilized and shares of under armour are down about twenty five percent since the last earnings call when investors really hoping to see a new good point and they're huge questions asked him in a month and a half ago we were talking about maybe two months ago twenty billion dollar evaluation in an idea grandmother's basement since one thousand nine hundred ninety six accompany he ultimately took public in two thousand five which makes Frisk just to the second CEO in underarms delays to food safety smart loves problems IBM let's put smart to work visit IBM DOT com slash smart to learn more or other founders. Can you think of look at this so there's GonNa look at him as free money well it's it's GonNa be interesting what other founders look at I think another huge question. CEO Kevin Plank will be transitioning to the role of executive chairman and brand chief as Patrik Frisk is elevated to the role of president and chief operating how we think about you know big strategic marketing ideas so I think it's a complimentary thing is about you know running the play that we've put in place but then also complementing each other highlights from their conversation through be changed I mean I'll be running the company day to day but it also allows Kevin to become more strategic in terms of how we think about elevating product at least found her friendly terms real questions founder there's so many founders that Softbank invested in frankly who are disgusted with Adam Newman people yelling saying go left go right and so ultimately like I'm going to be there and we'll make our inputs in our suggestions we'll drive on a strategic basis make sure we're aligned with that but Patrick on a day-to-day basis in candidate what he does really well and meet to allow me to run the company which I believe I can do pretty well so I said freedom that you know somebody who have their hands on the wheel you can't the over extended himself he bought at least five homes he had a may back in a driver running companies it has to be able to turn that wheel and that's where I think he's a ability to have a thirty plus year most of which was spent in this industry of veteran being able to come and join having the would've worked together side by side of the last two years and really get to be in boardrooms together you know sweat together and understand each other and just see the I think the discipline to food safety smart loves problems I._B._M. Let's put smart to work visit I._B._M. dot com slash smart to learn more the ocean plastic new schools to new energy flight delays to food safety smart loves problems. IBM let's don't use for anything productive let's say and just solving a lot of the problems that we have here is that a that that that goes against property game this is our wealth editor Robert Frank asking him a key question the top optimal rate for taxing the very rich is sixty percents problems inspire us to mend things ben things make things better that's why so many people work with IBM on everything from city traffic gently he covert trump analytics with Stephen Moore art laffer joined the Squawk Gang Joe Becky Andrew Robert Frank and guest host Surat Zeti here's Joe he writes in Western culture in terms of being confiscatory or do you really believe that people will be less productive and work less if they know they're going to the huge deficits we've got people that need we've we've got a lot of these guys don't need billions of dollars let's go we've done it before it's smart to work visit IBM DOT com slash smart to learn more attract stander by welcome back much is enough or too much depending on where you sit bracket what economists art laffer inventor of the laffer curve joins US next I wanted to help the poor by jobs so for response we called Economists Art Laffer Yep Dot laugher his work was central to the policies of the Reagan administration in the nineteen eighties and most end himself aren't laugher laugh Arar whatever of laffer associates art I'm GonNa you know what I'm going to start in a little bit different way and just just challenges analysis of something called the lavery that's the tax rate that would raise maximum revenue without creating widespread avoidance or discouraging the wealthy from working and earning on all the notions that we've had for three hundred years but I still want to challenge on what's the problem with moving some of the wealth that rich people have that after this together over the last two years it's going to remain we're GONNA continue down the path that we laid out at the investor day last year and we're excited about that we're excited about now doing this together and seventy five percent for the top one percent at least no sixty percent Zach men and his co author on a new book manual Sayas come to their sixty percent ideal not Bhai trying to confiscate from the rich problems it's human nature to hate problems but why is that after all being the play like Kevin said but we will be turning from festival office cheese will be next next on Squawk pod taxing the rich great for taxing wealthy Americans last week on the Pod we brought you a conversation with French economists Gabriel's Ben a tax advisor to both Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders presidential camp first this hour Surat Seth Managing Partner Portfolio Manager Douglas Lane and associates are also of course a CNBC contributor we've got a lot going on what's the ideal went from about thirty percent of total tax revenues to sixty six percent huge increase in tax revenues from the top one percent the same thing happened at John F Kennedy is your taxes Joe and they really can't Warren Buffet as he reported in the New York Times which is a rarity reported his income taxes he paid seven million in taxes and taxed at a higher rate. What's the problem I don't know if they'll work less I don't know if they'll work less and I'm not worried about the justice idea you're the legal why don't we do we got when we cut the highest tax rate from ninety one percent to seventy percent revenues from the rich went way way up and the same thing happened with Reagan when we cut the highest rate from seventy complex error for simple truth whenever we've raised lowered the rates on the rich and raise tax rates on the rich revenues gone way up these people can get around broadbased flat tax everyone pays the same rate and then use the income distribution of the spending to help the poor in the minorities the disenfranchise who we all but he's just using the tax codes to take advantage of them as they all do and always will they aren't going to sit there and fade these exorbitant rates Duckman indeed and they think the tax codes are fair you know people don't like to be ripped off in these rich people have earned the money and you want to just tax them on the highest amounts art and they don't want you to decide it might Nova `grats recently I think this week said the idea that these people making fifty million or more billionaires that are subject to that this tax are afraid thousand ten and his income according to economists was about twelve billion now if you cut those right regulations restrictions and rates he'll pay his fair share it was a fifty million but raising marginal rates why is there a problem with going above where marginal rates would that would that'd be where you'd really gets them revenue because it would affect everyone talktime one you enter good morning welcome squawk box right here on C. we're live at the Nasdaq market? Citing time scrimmage Ross Sorkin along with becky quick and Joe Kernan and our guest host step up basis when it comes to end of life ten thirty one exchanges for the for the real estate folks carried interest for the government whatever they make for the next six months sort of a cruise to them yes no one but no one's talking about the one percent what her taxes remember I want to help that's not an issue about one question is how do you do it how about one percent or is that we talk about what is it five fifty six hundred thousand a year or so that's about five probably probably so they don't they don't take advantage of a lot of loop a lot of people as we LE- Kusuma worked six months of the year aid he said you're not victims you're the richest people in the world can't these people that are worth fifty million or more afford two cents of every dollar Beyond Act lately tax labor the same as capital and that would generate some say even more revenue but if you look at all this what people don't talk about is cost of living right fruit forget about a wealth tax for a second forget about necessarily higher marginal rates how would you feel about just the basic closing of loopholes around the million dollars given the amount that that would raise can't they afford it and isn't there clearstream what fear about it yeah but they know you're not gonna get it from him voluntarily unless you lower rates are we did it in the one thousand nine hundred twenty we lower the tax rates from seventy three percent in nineteen twenty to twenty five percent in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine and tax revenues from the rich I've always been forgetting all your deductions exemptions I Jerry Brown's flat tax where we lowered the rate to thirteen percent getting rid of all exemptions deductions etc including individual deductions for for the private equity. Folks I mean let's let's do the low hanging fruit you game for that because I think historically with Andrew I've always been for that twenty eight percent revenues from the rich went way way up as a result of that so you know when you just look at the very simple straightforward evidence in fact if you is China trade deal but he's not sure whether China will hold up its end of the bargain so this president has been as tough as any president has ever been on China about well it seems like starting down the road of some of the big issues like stealing our intellectual property trade secrets good morning to you some people are calling this a skinny deal are you in favor of of of a skinny deal if it doesn't get you some of the bigger issues that I know you've been all of that on the first dollar to the last hour and just let it go they'll all comply with the tax codes because they believe they're fair and they will try to get around it's now court good start so obviously I I'm happy that they're getting serious about that the trouble is we don't really know until and we ought to be thankful for the years welcome back to Squawk Good morning and welcome back to squawk box. CNBC live from the Nasdaq market site in Times Square. I'm Joe Kernan Low with Becky Quick Andrew Ross Sorkin US trade by Robert Lighthouse level that you could tax the wealthy before there's too much avoidance and too little productivity what does the highest rate the highest rate we could possibly do it right now I don't know what it would I'm will andrew but not all of them that's what you WanNa do with your taxes Warren Buffet as I said in that two thousand ten paid seven million in taxes and earned twelve billion over the next two years we'll be able to measure that for sure so I think you have to have some hesitancy and some disbelief about it doesn't hurt that changes in capital gains which is where a lot of the Democrats than price put capital gains were ordinary income let's mule four Esperance they assume you're just assuming no enforcement you don't think you enforce it they can hire better lawyers and Accountants and ex irs agency you can let me ask you this certainty of trade and getting some certainty is pretty important not only to China their economies hurt worse than ours but ours but when it's manipulating their currency and transfer technology but only partially going down that road but that's a pretty are they really abidin in good faith but on the agricultural stuff when they are committed to buying fifty billion dollars of agricultural products there says a phase one trade deal with China could happen as soon as next month join us right now to talk about trade and so much more Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa Chairman of the Finance Committee but I'll tell you it'd be thirteen percent if you got rid of all the deductions exemptions exclusions just like Jerry Brown did that would be the perfect as you can aw whether China's really negotiate in good faith but at least it takes some of the anxiety out of the results from the onset live in New York or California versus you live in Florida so why doesn't anyone actually talk about you know like you said if you're the one percent and you're in the half a million a million's differ you consider that China's fifteen percent of the world's economy worked twenty two percent that's thirty seven percent added together when they get together it's going to have an influence Siam to slam Rod. Yeah of course they're gonNA find a way around it they'll do inversions they do all sorts of things why don't we just have a low rate you know you get signed an agreement and Chelsea let's say next month but we all know on those things maybe for a few years and he's frankly to some degree even worth negotiating with right now because he has a view that they are not going to abide by anything they even they signed their name to right away if they don't deliver we can measure that in the dollars they buy or don't

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NFTs  Non-Fungible Tokens and IP  Interview with David Johnson  EUIPO Soundmarks  IP Fridays  Episode 121

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NFTs Non-Fungible Tokens and IP Interview with David Johnson EUIPO Soundmarks IP Fridays Episode 121

"This is david. Johnson principal off kerman. And you're listening to p. fridays. Hello and welcome to this episode of ip. Friday's our names are ken. Suzanne and ralph clayson and this is the podcast dedicated to intellectual property. It does not matter where you are from in house or private practice novice or expert. We will help you stay up to date. With current topics in the fields of trademarks patents design and copyright discover useful tools and much more. Welcome to episode one hundred and one of the ip fridays. Podcast i'm ken. Suzanne co host of the ip fridays. Podcast along with ralph clayson rothen and i hope you're having a great summer and we both thank you for listening to our podcast. Summer is an ideal time to catch up on our growing library of podcast episodes. So after you listen to this episode checkout ip friday dot com for a complete list of past episodes or check out the listing of past episodes on your podcast player. Today's guest is david. Johnson a principal with the law firm of audit kerman and we explore the fascinating developing world of nf teas but before we get to. Today's interviewed some news from the european union on sound mark protection recently our metal beverage holdings german company faced multiple roadblocks in refusals attempting to register. The sound of a beverage can opening in fizzing as a trademark. Art produces metal cans for a variety of carbonated beverages. The company applied for a trademark with the european union intellectual. Property office for the sound made by drink can being opened followed by silence of approximately one second and fizzing sound lasting approximately nine seconds the eu ipo rejected ardoz application because the sound lack distinctiveness stating it is not distinctive to attempt to register. A fizzy drinks can any more than it would be to copyright music notes on a twelve step scale arte appeal the you. Ipo's decision to the european general court arguing the pause before the fizzing sound and the length of a fizzing sound is unique to art. Osgood's the court disagreed with arta and affirm the you ipo's decision stating sound marks must have a certain resonance which enables the target consumer to perceive it as a trademark and not as a functional element or as an indicator without any inherent characteristic. Art are can appeal the european general court decision to the european court of justice thou onto today's interview with david johnson our guest today on the ip fridays. Podcast is david johnson. David is a principle attorney in the intellectual property practice group of audit kerman and is based in their tyson's corner virginia office. David helps businesses manage complex brand issues focusing on intellectual property strategies prosecution and enforcement he also works on a wide variety of branding and technology related matters including social media and advertising privacy product and packaging claims review and intellectual property transactions. Mister johnson received his. Jd from william and mary law school where he was executive editor of the william and mary. Business law review and a member of the business law field consultancy clinic at william and mary mason school of business. Welcome david to the ip fridays. Podcast thanks for having the ken. David there has been a lot of buzz online and offline about n. f. tease what exactly is an. Nf take the question today isn't it so in nfc. He is a non fungible token Which put really simply means that. It's a one of the kind digital token that's managed through a decentralized ledger That essentially records the transactions fewer to boil it down even further. It's an asset with evidence of ownership So put it into real world concept so we all think about when you go and buy a car you get the car but you're proof of ownership comes through the title which is recorded with the dmv. You can think of the nfc and the smart contract behind it which is recorded on the blockchain. Which is that ledger. that i mentioned As the the title And approves your ownership of the car now just like with the car having the title doesn't actually You know it's not the car itself you can't go and drive it but if anybody questions should if you own it you have. That document approve it. When you're buying an ns t that's really what you're getting and like anything else on a blockchain. I it's there. It's supposed to be permanent record of your ownership. But unlike things like bitcoins or other cryptocurrencies. Nfc is non fungible. Meaning that it's not freely exchangeable for something else so one Big corner for one of theory is the same thing as any other. Bitcoin earthier with an nf t were really focusing on. Its unique this and while of a sudden david Have nfc's become front and center. What what's happening in society. You know it. That's funny because nf really aren't that new. They've really been around since about twenty fifteen but they entered the public consciousness. A lot. Earlier this year With some really eye-popping sales of some artwork I think the first one that really caught my attention Besides a general awareness event of teas into other earlier forms was the sale of a sixty-nine million dollar piece of digital artwork that was actually comprised of fourteen years worth of daily illustrations by an artist named people. So they've really caught everybody's attention now because you're seeing sales of the digital art through an asset that most people hadn't heard about and the numbers are up there with some of the highest sales for artwork or any other collectibles out there so it's really caught a lot of people's attention here ultimately they're important because the market says so just like the paper dollar bill you know we believe that it has value so it has value but nf represent a little bit more than just expensive collectibles. There's a lot of opportunity behind them and how they can be used So you know a lot of the attention that these early high sales artwork generated actually started creating Some thoughts and other brand owners and how they could exploit an f. T. so you're seeing things like some of the earlier uses included Use in video games for unique luke boxes or character skins or you know weapons even I think in twenty seventeen. There was a game called crypto. Kitties where you could buy and trade. A unique digital cats The nba picked up on it for Tradable collectible trading cards of sorts their moments from nba games from the prior season Through the nba. Top shots so this has been picked up by a lot of different Owners of content owners of valuable resources that wanted to find a new way to reach their market. And the the eye-popping prices really drove a lot of interest drove a lot of creators to get out into that market. And it really just spurred a lot of the New ideas around what an nfc could be and given that each of these as you need you know. They are really valuable because they're rare so effectively. You're the only one that owns what you're buying now. These can change a lot of different ways but you know this is just important now because it represents a new toy that content creators have to get out there and provide something of value to their fans around the world. So let's say. I go out tomorrow and i wanna buy an nf. T- what would i be getting in my hands or in my email box. What can i expect to see to show that. I own this. Nfc yeah so you go out. And you buy an f. t. through a variety of marketplace's user linked to various blockchain's that are out there the the most common one for nf tease the theory of blockchain But there's there's a number of marketplace's out there and when you buy the nf t- You do that by exchanging some Crypto currency for it typically And you do that. Through your crypto wallet and when you buy the nf nfc you get a registration in your wallet. Says you own this. And that's basically it so the nfc. As i mentioned earlier you have the asset which let's say this is a piece of digital art that is linked through a smart contract and it lives separate from that contract. It's not something that's embedded but you can access that through your wallet You don't necessarily get a physical copy but there are You know there are different content. Creators that are exploring ways to bring an end of real world. So for the most part you just have proof of ownership and nothing else and the interesting thing for a lot of buyers That they may or may not know depending on how closely they read the contracts. They're just getting ownership over the right to say that they have the ability to display that one and f. t. it's essentially a license It's you know similar to a seat license and sports or You know it's i p Licensor is you know anything using the ip. That's in a contract there. But you don't get the most of the time she don't get the copyright so you have very limited rights and what you can do with this other than you know. Showing it privately for the most part holding it in their Digital wallet reselling it and then essentially having bragging rights that you own a multi million dollar asset what about the ip issues intellectual property with respect to content creators. How does that sit into the analysis to content. Creators really have a lot of Leverage and a lot of risk in ip market space This is an opportunity for people who had created things on the internet. That largely were circulated without you know necessarily getting value There's you know for people creating new art it's a way to reach a different market and sell things and you know really get exposure In a way that and get value from that they maybe not They maybe weren't able to get before so if you're a content creator going out there you wanna find a marketplace that will you allow you to sell the work the way that you want to You know you're considering housi- marketplace advertises the nf t to the public and you know what it describes that they're getting with their purchase. So you know fair implying that they own the artwork and they can do whatever they want with it. Maybe they're leading a buyer to believe that they're getting the copyright You know the content creators also want to make sure that when they are licensing their ip either for someone else to create An ft's or if they're minting an tease themselves which the term for their creation processes minting If they're admitting it themselves they wanna make sure that the smart contracts behind the nf us are carefully regulating. What the buyer is allowed to do it so you. You wanna make sure that it's a license an t. Not an assignment of ownership of the copyright assuming they want to retain it You know there. There's also you know that's part of the process of going out and selling the nf t but there are all sorts of you know with any other As with any other kind of intellectual property there's risks of bad actors going out there and minting and fte's of our creators own works so if you're a content creator out there there's new arena where you actually have to go out and be proactive and making sure that somebody else isn't misappropriating. Your copyrighted work or you're if you're a major brand that has trademarks trademarks or anything like that. So it creates a new wrinkle for content creators to go out there and make sure that what they have created is in being counterfeited by third. And for the most part the Marketplace's do try to verify that the sellers are who they say they are and that they own the rights that they have but some of the early ways of verifying identities was through checking. You know somebody social media usage to make sure that you know they represented you know who they say. They are now just like any other identities out there. It's not that difficult to spoof an identity of social media account or somebody else and trick one of these marketplaces so there's all sorts of unauthorized Reproductions of copyrighted works out there There's also people that may have believed they had rights to do things that they don't have There's an early anecdote of Dc comics going after a well seeing that one of their former illustrators had made one point eight five million dollars off of selling and fte's featuring dc characters and dc headed then go around and inform their creative teams and they're freelancers that going off in creating an fte's with their characters was a definite. No now so you know. Even if you're the company employing the creators you have concerns here going out and monitoring making sure that people aren't doing things that they're not supposed to do and you know for the most part because these are really novel marketplace's some of the traditional tools that Ip lawyers and brand content owners have used to monitor their ip rights don't necessarily cover An f. t. marketplace's news. You're using something like a watch service that may not get to the level of an nfc marketplace to a lot of this is really manual. It's hard to find and if you're not somebody who's thinking about selling it Selling an f. t. directly you may still experience all of those risks There's also there's interesting news that comes out Just this week. I think Where damon dash. Who's the co founder of rockefeller records wanted to sell an nf t- that included the copyright for jay z's Debut album but he is a co founder of the company and the company believes that it owned the asset which was the copyright. So there's even a dispute doing the company and the co founder over what they can do. There's a lot of ambiguity here. it's kind of an interesting space that hits on a lot of the interesting things that got us all into intellectual property But you know it's new and we have so much that's yet to be seen in how Ip rights will be affected and the consideration set content. Creators will have an how they can even go. Back and enforcer rights or claw things back if you know in unauthorized work was sold as an f. t. before the creator was aware of it. What about from the perspective of marketplaces in buyers. What are some of the issues that are being talked about these days. Sure yeah so the the marketplaces themselves definitely want to ensure that the content that's available for sale is something that is reliable They want to know that the person selling it has the rights to do so but just like a lot of commercial contracts you know when you sign up to join the marketplace and what you're minting. Nfc's you're making representations and warranties that you have the rights that you say you have so ultimately the marketplace is going to kick it back to the person minting nf to you know if there's any sort of copyright infringement or trademark infringement from a pr perspective you know. Of course it's bad for the marketplace. Not only to be infringing creator's rights or you know aiding somebody to Infringe those rights. And it's it's going to become a complicated issue where an nfc gets sold and it's purchased through you know using crypto currency It may be through a user. Who's under a pseudonym. We don't necessarily know who they are And you know the person. Sorry the person minting it may be under a pseudonym We may not know who they are. And so if this is sold as a counterfeit somebody is the buyers out a lot of money. Potentially the marketplace is going to want to refund that because it wasn't their fault and they may not be able to go out and find the person who minted the actual. Nf t. so there's gonna be some interesting issues And frankly. I can't wait to see some of this future litigation. Yeah definitely be fascinating. I was thinking about that as you were talking about. You know things that are happening. There's many opportunities. I think that are will be reading about a where. Parties may Litigate over ownership and other things So it stuffing something to to watch out for what about from the perspective content creators. if you're a content creator a what can you do today to protect yourself and there's something like that a content creator should be looking at to get involved in the space as things develop You know as with any ip. The first step is to be vigilant. You know no white ip right you have and try to monitor those as much as possible This is easier said than done if you're a small creator if you're you know big corporation like the dc comics. That i mentioned they have more resources they can put staff on reviewing the marketplaces for new drops. You know they're going to see what new. Nf teas are coming out You know they have more of an ability but if you're a content creator you definitely want to look at all the different avenues. You have to protect your intellectual property and that's where this is actually not that different from you know any other. Ip rights that are out there so if this were physical work versus digital You know through blockchain. This doesn't really make a difference anymore. So you have a lot of ways of trying to protect yourself. Vigilance is the first making sure that you know. Unwanted sales don't happen and if you notice that you have our work on a marketplace that's up for auction For an nfc you can actually send a dmca notice to the marketplace and it seems that a lot of them are honoring those right now. They don't want to be involved in selling something where you know the person minting and he didn't have a right chore. So that's your first step. Get that content. Taken down There's other proactive things that you can do as well You know registering your copyrights always a good idea. it allows you to go and you know sue if somebody is infringing. The copyrights in federal court You know but you can also consider the other forms of ip protection if you have a you know particularly novel way of the nf t for example the nfl the nba top shots uses a almost a cube frame for their Highlight an f. tease. And that's different. From how anybody else presents it so that might be something that could be protected through. A design pat You know if you are if you know you're going to be entering into the market and selling an tease. You can obtain trademark protection for those in fte's so you know there's all sorts of brand owners out there that are engaging in this I did a search not too long ago and saw that fender guitars has trademark applications related to an tease for their stratocaster trademark or for the fender trademark There's also applications out there for people that you may not consider May be more obvious than others but saks fifth avenue is putting out trademarks or nf. Tease kiss. The band has trademarks. Urs has applications even the andy warhol foundation. Maybe a little more obvious in that sense but you know. These are all strategies that content creators can pursue. And it's just one more avenue to protect your rights. If you're going out and selling the nf nfc's maybe you missed the initial copyright ground. But you know you weren't able to stop it with dmc a notice but if you need to pursue somebody who's infringing rights you know any. I think any attorney would advise you wanna have as strong of A case as possible and it's not just necessarily limited to your copyright can also fall under the infringement of design patent maybe a utility pad and if you have unique ways of presenting marketplace for example or the trademarks. As well david were getting near the end of our interview. I have a question that is what other applications might be out there for. Nf tease beyond collectibles. What's next for an nf t. In other words you know. Nfp's or something that has been a challenge to wrap my head around. Because every time time. I think i have it. I hear of a new idea so you know. Nfc's can really using a lot of different places is not just collectibles. Not just artwork. It's you know digital trading cards. It can be things like video footage. songs you could you know even sell individual tracks t- Just to almost a digital rights management software to record who actually owns it You can you know. Pursue things like event tickets to verify that somebody's actually holders that can be rewards exclusive access to different things There's even creative people that are using. Nf teases digital tokens. That can be exchanged for real world things. So there's a san francisco street artists. I liked called finch who is using the nfc as a token that can be exchanged for physical copy of the exact same piece of art. And then if you don't want the you don't wanna be possessing a physical copy anymore. You can turn that back and get the digital token again I even have seen things of one of the betting companies creating digital dna for racehorses for digital horse races and gambling It seems that the ideas behind teas are limitless at this point. So anywhere any place where you have an asset where you want to track ownership and you want it through this immutable ledger. That is blockchain. that's all ripe To be an nfc. David this is really fascinating. I'm sure we'll be reading about developments in technology in the months and years to come. Wanna thank you for being a guest today on the ip. Fridays podcast thanks for having. That's it for this episode. If you liked what you heard please show us your love by visiting ip fridays dot com slash. Love and tweet a link to this show. We would be so grateful if you would do that. It would help us out to get the word out. Also subscribe to our podcast. At ip. Fridays dot com or on itunes or stitcher dot com. 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A New Way To Trade

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

26:31 min | 2 years ago

A New Way To Trade

"Today's episode is proudly brought to you by try to cops the double bay dot com. Join up for the free biweekly video newsletter with myself my table, keep you up to date on the moves that are in this crypto market now if you want to learn how to make money with the market goes up or down go to try to call dot com. Now. Vitrey a call crypto show talking business influx. Jane? Blaming him. A welcome just to try to come cryptos show. I have got with me today. A man who is very interesting. Not only is this a handsome good looking and rugged. But he's also the see of Swiss Borgen's Soroush Fazil. Thank you so much of your tons and on. Thank you very much for for making it really cool way. Appreciate it. Ladies he's taken. I do apologize. He's a nice fellow. However now look owner just cut strike to the chase. Let's just jump straight into all want one albeit about you'll background. So I know where you're at. And I know what you've done, and we're going to cover both of those things. But what I'm really fascinated by what brought you to where you are right now. Yeah. I think that's a good thing. It's very good question. Thanks for asking. No origin, the enemy, Ronnie, and Swiss and essentially, my family after the reluctantly wrong lost everything because they all had older wealth into centralized system. Right. And from my end would always did is that I started working in most management's thought always the markets was very interesting than worked at hedge funds, and I was making mostly people wealthier wealth, instutions wealthier and only trying to create the best optimize portfolios. And I get to a point where I said, okay. A why should I do that only for the few and the elites and maybe try to do that for everyone. So want to create a role would visor that was like in the mid two thousand thirteen or so ending all like, okay? This great great new portfolios for everyone who has a Bank accounts in in Europe than I realized it's complicated. Then I was introduced to crypto land. Quickly. Understood that grip does not only investment class at was those Wola technology in within the technology of hysteria. You could actually create a essentially a, you know, a funds for everyone like every smart contract could be a wallet in every wallet. Good have different underlying Zenit and everyone can have the ownership. So I was like, okay, great. This is fulfilling a mission of helping everyone and on the same time is that if there's another revolution in the world will meet firstly, I could just run off with my own wallet. And no one could you know, steal my data. So those the two things that brought me Deseo galas trying to do something creating new co system of wealth management, but as to everyone, and that's what me on into grip something. So and once you get involved like I mean wonderful career in past. What what was it a win win was I should say that you decided that this was the business. So I didn't get into crypto like most people. Got in two thousand nine or ten or eleven. I was not that Oakley a lucky guy. I heard about it like yourself. But I mean, I didn't really consider it. There's not much volume. No as a really trading more, instructional. Like, okay, let's coal. But is just maybe not my thing right now till the day that my dad was a whooping sue off, you know, give him the president. He's based in Iran, and it was really hard to obviously to ship it. You don't like DHL the president to the you don't like buy something online. So the thing is I I asked my cousin. He's like, well, you know, you could buy him a bottle of whiskey. I'm like really in Iran is like, yeah. I know I'll call dealer that accepts bitcoins. And I was like, oh, really cool. So I bought some bitcoins. And then I send the coins to the alcohol dealer, and he bought a bottle. He offered a bottle whisky might add. And then I was like, okay. This is cool in and really think. So the the main jump in is in, you know. Late sixteen when I co founder, and I stuff I really understand what was behind area that was for me the changing point zero gays, not just a great way to essentially, you know, do payments or stored value through big one, but it's actually wait to build a technology behind it and have a smart contract. That is yes, lightly smarter. We'll look you've obviously you understand technology. I mean, all view is. And listen to this show. None that I'm not that guy. I don't claim to be a bitcoin crypto blockchain technologists, none at all. All the tribes markets, I irate jots, and I understand business. And I invest in businesses that I think I understand. I'd probably be saying it's sort of a Warren Buffett tov invest in our Modin market if I can see the way to revenue then yet, you'll get my investment is only I think the idea is sound. So what was it that brought you into this by you've built businesses independence building? And Swiss book, what was it? The Maija really tight that step to go. You know, what a get this on to make some moves. He. Yeah. You know, really? I was saying that we're creating this will advisor know LEGO Kate now, how can we offer this to the Republic will you had to Sisley you have to work with the Bank, right? And with a Bank, then you'd have to create your portfolio software, and with that, then you could Craig customized portfolios, but you're still always relied on this old archaic infrastructure, which is with anything happens in anything. Thank right. You even through paper. It looks cool the funding, but the back end is, you know, it's quite complicated. There's so many into meters where whereas in crypto you like will gone into meter yards. It's it's actually wallet an exchange. So you know for us. It was very easily. The jump was like, okay. Let's do that essentially we we thought into southern sixteen that all assets to go on on on the blockchain there. Already bid shares the goals in in all other different commodities said, okay? This is gonna be great just have one smart contract. Per clients. I mean sorry to say, but who cares about the banks? And and let's do it Byron self reckless just list. This just go for any country in the world. And let's do it. So we did that. And we said okay now we need funding though to those all the deck. You can only be three people in not in a garage because we don't have Rajin Switzerland. But in our living rooms. I think so, you know, those lakes sixteen early seven seventeen were we like talked to so many VC's is always the same thing. They're like, okay. If you wanna go for your seat in family thing is fine. But you need more clients in traction or technology, and then we started to look into ice ios, and that was like the turning point resort K for going through there. It's going to be a one way we're going to build something for the community for the community by the community. And we're really going to try to to change everything from that perspective. And that's what we did blown only whilst script. You just flip. This. When it comes to AUSSIE is obviously we sold the boob. All right. And you were there two thousand seventeen is. I think it's when you did yours back on through seven. Dane, right. Yeah. So you raise money you did. Well, now to there's a Nigerian began January February still had a bit of that. Boom fever. Look, I genuinely believe that in our time. We were thirty five year old men. Yeah. We've been in business. We've we've been riding long enough. That was crazy may ferry. Hardly, goddamn crazy. Now, we're we're old enough to have researched the dot com, boom. But we all have been a part of the I'll admit that. I wasn't. But I've raced says the shit out of that thing, and what we saw during that osteo boom was akin to dot com times ten it was absolute madness raising capital you basically come out of university or you're in university or school kid. You've got to do a presentation webs up. You gotta video which is the page. Go what type which is the English section and the do the math, which is a token only. And I was so many errors and issues throughout all of that yet you could still raise ten to thirty million dollars. Of course with saying rubber hit the right through two thousand nineteen. We have seen the. That treasury management even sitting companies head a. CFO an inverted commas those that I'm watching. But we've we've learned that just because you have an idea it doesn't mean you got something that can hate the grand running during that period of time, which you Bryce. What have been the biggest lessons that you'll company any self? And you think that the greater community has learned throughout that period of tonic because it was absolute God damn bedlam? Yeah. It was three of riled ride. It was really, you know, you said it. Exactly, right. You know, that you have the four things that was what you just for pillars to make that secret sauce and hopefully reach your hard cap. Though, there's one thing that people don't realize is that only fifty percents of those only sixty five no is only thirty five percent of ice ios raised more than hundred thousand gay. So we obviously there's a big survivor should obey. So we don't realize there's not that recess will. But there's a lot of for sure I show that raising shit a lot of money, and they had just like, yeah. Like a lousy offer. I think so from our perspective, the the number one of let's say most important factor. We've finished on January gay. So that was when Martin. It was at eight hundred forty eight billion. I think so that we're on the right the, right? They after you know, a shit hit the fan like like, we say and. And the most important with treasury match. If we even if we reached our hearts cap, you know, we were at fifty million art gap, but we raised one ripples at three seventy five we've raised when bitcoin that seventeen thousand or more we raise when ether was at thirteen hundred we raised when you know, light going on a long, which like it was back, then, but you know, that's what we raise mainly. We did raise shots, but a very small amounts. And I'm not saying that when you read you reach your is. Yo you should if you convert everything ends shacks that's in some ways some is is quite unfair. But the idea is that you still have to do active treasury managements, and the lucky side from from our perspective is that you know, we didn't live the two thousand one. I mean, we you would happen. But we didn't trade the markets back then 'cause I'm same age as yourself, but we knew that in every bubble. There's a certain time. I didn't picture is going to be there. We thought we still had some room to improve. Movement. But, but essentially, we've been hedging the markets that we've made very expensively touches, but it's still Marsh watch more than worth it. And today, we're still at a comfortable position. Where today we know we still have three years of this constant burn rates, which is fine. So, you know, we're we're for more than us. We still have roughly like seventeen million half with yesterday's great boom going to five thousand you know, maybe we have little bit more than seventeen and a half. I don't know. So we know we're we are comfortable, but there's a lot of ios that unfortunately today, and I know personally in some of them that race twenty thirty million. They're just nothing left the looked left Arquette. And when make you said, the would, unfortunately, it's not unfortunate might right? It's none of fortunate. I'm sick hearing that on shooting you damn of stigma hearing companies. Oh, it's on full the process of eighth went from fourteen hundred when we go now to whatever that's not unfortunate that's life. That's why business guys. And I've told to this topic I'm going to get pretty far out right now. Right. So he's. Fine up man because I've never asked for fund going to hedge fund at twenty three years old even twenty three's. All limits business experience. I still do the right thing by investors. Still do the right thing by vista. Oxford dime since I will invest I will ask for investment again in future companies. I've got no problem with helping others to make money, which helps my business scale. But one of the things that really frustrated the shit outta mate? Was the fact that paper kept turning into all will the young. Or didn't know. We'll look listen, you got to go up Dan company with a billion dollars on pipe all five hundred million or one hundred nine or ten million. You released hundred thirty forty fifty million dollars. If you put a CFO him if you claim to have a CFO and that. CFO does not understand how to hedge manage treasury and continue to make sure the longevity of the business is they I don't give two shits about what you have to say anything because the bottom line is let's say I got less. I say my business, and I said when it five million, and I get my five million. Now, the first thing I'm gonna do as an intelligent human being and try to I'm business person. Get roddick. Five million? And the current mocking additions. How much do we need to face it to give our runway to revenue? Exactly. Yeah. Let's say three years Melissa three's going to sell three point eight five million dollars to get through revenue. Okay. Cool. Now, I know runway. I now know that I've got enough money to get this business idea. Because all I see is with Jeff St. ides's. That's all I would of course, revenue to hire to manage structure to build do everything for the next three and a half years to get to revenue and of also six months on top of that should deadline be not back because I'm smart, regardless of what God that market does and paces may off to no end that so many companies did not do this and. Let me think is a step back on this. Young people that had no business acumen night business experience. They business knowledge. It's not on them. They are the ones the went out and all these Pacino. He's only miss informed on educated investors coat up in a hot cycle, and I feel for them. But the bottom line has to be it has to be you've got to take responsibility for your actions. You've got take responsibility for your education. Nikon follow anybody on a win you need to learn about this goddamn spice. We're here for a long time. We're going to change the world but divey stupid. I mean, what comes fast goes fast than unfortunately, if you don't put the hard work just will buy rate. So I think so that's what the hard thing is where fuel is been more version is that a lot of these people were in the crypt of philosophy. You have a lot of dreamers dreamers a business. There's there's some there's shoe dreamers. But then there's a lot of people that as you said, no they forecast treasury. If forecast how crepe products and end, that's the new wave in the good thing is that will now you have a lot of people that are product driven and treasury driven and back then it was only fantasy driven. Joe I'm most of the people in had some technology driven as well. But they didn't have neither that product's that were related to their their, you know, their milestones on doing real things other. There was really treasury management than now today. Although those guys know that learned the hard way at say, if you don't if you don't foresee any major black swan will eventually it will snap your finger in blogs zones exist full a goddamn reason every Disney's the focus on risk management and longevity as benefit Waco. Komen. Like, it's it has an, you know, to the papal that listening viewing this right now to thinking, you also you tell me more than wrong bliss Lun guilty right now when I first started trotting blew out three accounts. I'd nine thousand pounds when I was twenty one years old from businesses that I had in strata, I'll blue all of the law three thousand dollars, and let me tell you on thirty five years almost three dollars to the pounds of the load of money at all that money two weeks business that Iran Iran in London out a good time. Competitor of the step up to the plight. Loon three mistakes because tell you what if you're in this industry right now, whether you've lost all all the might have fortune. You're in the right place at the right time. Do not let this lesson boss you Bod. So whilst on the I want. I'm more Swiss boy, he's actually doing talked to. Yeah. That's a great question. So, you know, already our mission is relate to democratize wealth management. We believe that we are all wealthy. You know, wealthy means that you have data and eventually that data will be tokenist and digging consideration. You know, what would be doing we've had referendums? So it's something that we think is very important to have within our communities which time people vote for different actions. We then reward them we pay them each time. We have a nice you'll platform, but that we put a little bit on the side because there's not so many issues and one of our last refund on people. Wanted to know what will be you know, are investment platform where we we create on a mobile app or will they create on desktop and people voted for wealth for for the mobile app. So the great thing is that we created our community asked. So it's mobile Bay's available on Android. I o s and it's exactly what we're talking about is how to create wealth and more importantly how to preserve it. And you know, essentially, it's it's very easy, you know, betting game where you you have on a daily basis you go into app, you wanna see the, you know, what is the bitcoin doing today, you end then you have to forecast that you have to predict is going up or down any a lot of different tools like the as you love like technical analyst says or dividend monitoring and timeframes yet that enables you to sensually to go up or down into Bill this confidence, and we really want to educate our community to to take that thing is that isn't take so much time. Right. He everyone spends hours just to look what is the best new. TV, but doesn't spend five minutes to look at you know, what is their portfolio doing? And we just want people. We don't want to like created like really know difficult choices for some people. We just want to say, okay. Look on a daily basis watering count zooming. Should I sell should? I should I buy more. Should I more risk sewage at delivering the risks to it? And we wanna make that in the easiest way. Also like that when you create these habits on the community app tomorrow when actually will actually launching our wealth out with real real index script indices in inside of it. Then people could know if it's a good thing to buy to to deliver JR. To leverage the bit more their their portfolios. It's just you need these manners. I think to build to build the year your portfolio will look can talk to this Offenburg with a platform recently with Iran on I wanted to is this your individual. But I can tell you right now. It's really fun. It's taught of binary options trading. It's either Bubalo given a certain time or dight, and which means does no recline at a stop loss. In many case. Really, you're the Raleigh wrong, and you put the money forward. So in a certain ways like what lived in London for six years, and this was spreading. But who is spread betting? You have a stop loss by on your tried with something like this in a binary options top scenario, and as you bring the phone up at you, literally sit there, look, jots and guy. In the next ten seconds. It'll be above or below in the next ten minutes. Disdain the now two hours four other day. It'll be above all, Beloit. And I give you the algorithm by what you will earn with your wrong. But it's always managed and Altay today. Right. Nellie and miles stolid trading. It just isn't on notable of bonding options have been around for a long time. And I've worked with barring options company creating content for them. Right. It should never really fit. The why that odd Charlotte pretty old school, man. Like, a focus on a want certain outcomes on I'm happy to stick with that a applying with his Banri die, and I had Ford a full the kiss K. I overlay my experience we will the shots doing. And I was always doing it. To learn the platform, right? We get it. Right, right. We've got a business relationship. I was doing it. To learn the platform. Shit. You not I one losing China the beginning because I know is doing then the net when I worked at that like bang at full winning trades. Now, if you'll also want he doesn't have a lot of time, but you love to live begun the market. Forget though says figuring hokey machines forget gambling come to the markets, quite some solid knowledge and technical analysis ability, which all you listeners and viewers, right? What he will begin it up for me and apply to a platform. Like that on tell you right now. It's a pretty powerful too. It's a prank to. Yeah. I mean, technically is is. I mean, I mean this we have had right ear in the in the app, you could check it out. I think so it's really the most one of the most important in in crypto. 'cause obviously, you know, looking fundamentals it's it's quite hard to proceed, and you could look on different good hubs or different ways look at some fundamentals, but but for sure, you know, bitcoin and most of the Orleans technical analysts is is what you wanna look at. And I'm sure that you know, what you're teaching is exactly what it is. You know? Yes. Look at, you know, different moving averages or or different other indicators that really naval you to build confidence in your in your strategies than get in when you get in and get out. Will let's think thing then expect getting out and getting in getting us only Hough the way to prophet if you get in, and you don't get out will what did we see through two thousand I Tang. And we're that, ladies and gentlemen, I will say one thing it's been absolute pleasure. Having you on the show source? It is indeed. People. Find out more information about you and what you're doing. So I mean, you could go on Swiss-born dot com is the best way you could find you could go on Swiss board dot com, Switzerland board dot com any good check us out on Android or on on US or community app is available and if not on Twitter. Excellent. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure speaking and Swiss bowl is W S W. I double S B O J. That is how useful Swiss bull. No. It's not a video game. No, you do not need to bake some base before you get to try to. Yes is very good looking. And if you're on the podcast, I'm sorry got say this. But it's another slip pleasure. Saw as having you on the show sauce. Faisal CEO of Swiss will thank you so much streets on on love to continue the journey during four thank you so much. Thank you very much. Let it have offense. I think night goods, but he boffin now. 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Friday Q&A: Michael Burry's Crypto Predictions, How Much Life Insurance, Florida

Radical Personal Finance

1:00:26 hr | 3 months ago

Friday Q&A: Michael Burry's Crypto Predictions, How Much Life Insurance, Florida

"It's friday today life. You radical personal finance show dedicated providing you with the knowledge skills insight and encouragement. You need to liberate and meaningful life now while building a plan for financial freedom. Ten years or less. My name is joshua sheets. I am your host. Today is friday. June eighteen two thousand twenty one and today on the show we do live a shows. Were just like any other call in talk radio. Show that you have ever listened to just a little bit less scratchiness in the background than you get on the on the am dial basically you call in and we chat about anything that you want to call you. Want to talk about. We talk about questions. Comments suggestions anything that you want to discuss. If you'd like to join me on one of these friday cuny shows you can join me by becoming a patron of the show. Do that by going to patriot. Dot com search for radical personal finance. You'll find the show their go patriot dot com slash radical personal finance up. Sign up sport the show there on patriot on and that will give you access to these friday. Qna shows broadcasting now from the beautiful sunshine state state of florida. This is my home state in these united states. And you know we'll see maybe towards the end of the show the moment a few callers on the line towards the end of the show. I'll talk to you about why. I think that florida is almost certainly one of the best states in the united states to live in to work in etc. I it's not perfect. I have a few things that i don't love about the state of florida but we'll save that segment for the end. And see if i can persuade you that i think that florida is one of the best places that you can possibly be. We begin however with tyler who is not in florida at least. I don't think you are tyler tyler. You're in california. Serve you today sir. so i have a question about michael berry Michael berry was one of the early predictors of the real estate crash and recently he's been warning of another crash this involving crypto and the different memes stocks and going crazy that Personally i've stayed out of that section and just a month familiar with the. Didn't want to get into the hype. But what's your opinion on if you know anything about him What's your opinion on the crash that he is predicting and if there is a crash what would be the strategy for somebody who is saving up money and could best in that type of stuff once. It does happen if it happens for anyone. Who's not familiar with the name of michael berry. He reached fame. Br bradley i would say through. Michael lewis's book Called the big short and then the subsequent movie based upon that book. He was a very intelligent guy who unraveled. Basically as i understand the story singlehandedly just sitting himself he. He saw the danger in the cd. Market place back in the mid to thousands. He saw what was happening. With all the mortgage companies Buying packaging up and then reselling as securities all of these really poorly underwritten loans. And so he bet extremely heavily against that marketplace and made a ghastly amount of money for himself and for the investors into his fund and that was where he came to public prominence. And so. I was aware of some of his predictions. It was something kind of funky. He was talking on twitter. As i understand the story a few months back talking about how. There's gonna be a crash of the dollar this that the other thing. Then he up. Basically deactivating his twitter account and somewhat disappearing. I haven't heard yet this. Most recent thing that you're referring to. But i i'm happy to answer the question just kind of more broad framework before i do that. Do you have any more specific. Since i did not read. His latest warnings. Any more specifics. On what specifically he said yes so basically he's been he's been shorting game. Stop for a while now heavily because of everything that's been going on and he's just saying with all the hype speculation and over leverage of these giant hedge funds Who are getting into crypto. Getting into the you know and everybody else is getting into that. People are just getting over leveraged and the same kind of happening again. Okay fair enough. So let's begin with people and their predictions. I respect michael berry and his intelligence and his thoughtfulness. I i don't know of any reason why. Respect his intelligence. And when people make warnings i try to listen carefully especially if those people have previously made a good bets and have been willing to put their money where their mouth is very famously did because that demonstrates that they've got a good amount of skin in the game and they're ready to to make something important happen and so i i. I respect him greatly. That said somebody's being right in. The past doesn't necessarily make them more likely to be right or less likely to be right this time. And especially in the world of something like stock trading more investment market markets. You can be a you can be an investor and you can see a situation in front of you. You can study the situation you can hit the situation exactly right as berry did execute the perfect trade and yet the next situation the next trade is a fresh new set of circumstances a fresh new set of fats so just because somebody was right in the past doesn't necessarily mean that they're right this time you always have to look at what they're saying and take it on its face and studied the evidence. I do think that we should give more weight to those who have been right in the past but just because somebody was right in the past doesn't mean that they're that they're right now just because they have been right before. Let me give them more human example to try to drive the point home. Let's say that your father encouraged you to go to college. And he said son if you go to college and you get a college degree that will that will allow you to be more effective in the marketplace. You'll probably have a lower lifetime level of unemployment. I think it's a good idea for you to go and get a college degree so your dad was probably right about that. You went to college. Got a college degree. Maybe you're very grateful that you did get a college degree because hey this degree has been useful and i'm likely statistically to have lower levels of lifetime unemployment than one of my friends who didn't get this particular college degree but then your father comes to you a fresh and you're asking his advice on whether you should stay in your corporate job or whether you should leave and start a business. The fact that he was right about the college degree doesn't necessarily mean that he's right about the fact that you should stay in your corporate job. It's a it's a separate situation and so what you have to do is not say well. Dad was right before so therefore that is right this time. Well you need to do is say. Dad was right before and thought he had a good idea about that. So let me understand what he's saying this time and why he saying what he's saying and then judge for myself because dad could be right before and could be completely wrong now or he could be right now and right before or he could be wrong before and wrong now and so you can have somebody for example who makes very poor financial decisions and has no wealth but then they come to you and they say you know you probably shouldn't by this certain thing and they could be totally right about that so just because it's michael berry who is speaking doesn't make what he's saying. Correct another example. I recently when. I was talking about cryptocurrency. I was talking about charlie munger and warren buffett's perspectives and opinions on bitcoin. And so charlie munger very famously deeply disliked. Bitcoin does the fact that charlie monger has been in the is the fact that he is an amazing investor with a tremendous track record. Does that mean that he is right on bitcoin. It doesn't necessarily mean that he's right. What it means. You should listen to what he says carefully. So that's the first thing. Is that when anybody smart. says something. don't just think that just because he got the other trade right. He's right this time. All of us are are are flawed. All of us. All of us are fallible. Second big warning flash. Every single market will have a continual stream of people who say this market is a bubble. This market is going to crash. I've personally been paying attention to this stuff for something like twenty years now fifteen twenty years and i have for many years been attracted to the doomsayers to those who say everything is going to fall apart when i was younger. I thought they were absolutely right today. I no longer think that. Because i had enough time pass to say look. These guys have been wrong for a long time but they continue to make the same predictions they continue to just boldly say exactly the same thing. This really bothers me. Because i wonder number one. Are they true believers that they genuinely have believed that they are. They're right in predicting doom and gloom in the crash of this market for a very long time or are they just con artists who know that they can continue to say that there that the market's going to crash and at some point the market crash because markets always crash. Think back to twenty twenty and the market declines of twenty twenty. It sure looked during march april of twenty twenty. It sure looked that. Perhaps all of the bears were right. Sure looked like they were right. Like everything was was was was gonna come apart. I was distinctly nervous myself very concerned. About where certain things could go. There was a very good chance. A very plausible scenario in which you just saw widespread bankruptcies of major companies widespread economic nightmares. All across the board. We're very fortunate. Extremely fortunate that the coronavirus pandemic did not turn out to be worse than it was it very easily could have had just simply double the rate of severe sickness and death death very easily and we would be in a totally different world today and so when you when you hear somebody saying there's gonna be a crash recognized there's always somebody saying there's going to be a crash and almost any market seems to defy that particular crash so whether it's the stock market generally i've known people since nineteen ninety who said the stock market was a waste of time but the stock market continues to head up whether it's the us dollar. I've known people my entire lifetime. We've been saying the. Us dollar is going to implode because we're putting too much money and it's all death and it's all debt and the dollar continues to march on whether it's bitcoin there've been people's and since bitcoin was fifty dollars coin have been saying this is overpriced. This is a nightmare. That is all gonna collapse. Latest iterations things like nf tease some of these other currencies. There's always going to be someone predicting them. So my answer is number. One studied the market and make your own personal bed based upon the information and the arguments that you see because at some point time you got actually put your money where your mouth is. And you've gotta make your own bets number to engage in good personal financial planning so that you don't run the risk of getting wiped out because your bets were wrong. One of the things that makes me sad is in the modern world when we teach investing. We don't teach better insurance policies. A good professional investor will very frequently cover their positions. And they'll buy insurance on any trade that they can possibly do now. You and i might not be a sophisticated trader whose hedging our position on every single trade. But we can do that in our own personal finances fairly easily by choosing the amount of our wealth that we dedicate to a certain thing or by thinking through the scenarios personally. So i don't believe. I i wanna hear what michael berry has to say. I respect him. But i want to recognize that. He's just one guy he's one guy who made a killer trade but he's still just one guy and that doesn't necessarily mean that he's right or wrong. I wanna hear his arguments and think for myself number two. I wanna make my own predictions based upon. What are i think the world is going. And what i think is happening and then finally i want to protect myself using just good basic personal financial planning so that i don't get overextended and i don't have to have an opinion on what michael berry says. I can wait and simply let the marketplace prove him right or proven wrong. That's my perspective. Tyler what do you thank you sir appreciate it. Yeah it makes total sense That's why i don't really like to get into these hype situations. But i see what he's saying to extent. I'm just going to kind of protect myself. And my family is much as i can and i have another question Later if you have time for me yes go ahead. Okay is listening to your harrison hurricane harris episode and the corn. That you guys were talking about work in feed people you know for weeks and weeks and weeks I because of the pandemic. I have you know that when we went into the grocery store all the food was gone. You know. I never want that to happen again where we were just underprepared and so we live in a one bedroom apartment. Obviously not a whole lot of room for steph. So if i could get one food item that we can at least stock up on be ready in case something like that happens i would like to and so i was trying to find more too on how what kind of corn you guys are discussing and how to prepare it and keep it. Do you have any resources for that. That was just in that discussion though. Standard feed corn Do you have a tractor supply and your new your house. Yes so go to tractor. Supply look for feed corn. They will have a palette of it somewhere. It's what stuff new guys putting their deer feeders to feed. And you're going to buy a fifty pound bag of feed corn and that's what it is. I'm not sure. However if i only had a one bedroom apartment. I'm not sure that i would start there although without question. That is one of the cheapest ways for you to just have a bunch of calories. I think the most important thing would be learn with with something like that. So let's pull back for a second if you have space and are committed to a program of long-term food storage one of your cheapest ways that you can possibly do that for a very long period of time is to buy for yourself and put up the four basics which are corn beans rice and wheat corn beans corn beans rice and wheat. So somebody who is committed to personal preparedness will often just have giant stacks and stacks of buckets of corn beans corn beans rice and wheat. I think that's great if you have the space to store that stuff and if you have the you have the space to store the place to do it and the motivation to actually do it. So what i would i would encourage you start by going one bag and then figure out some ways to cook it. A lot of people have never cooked rice and beans from scratched from dry beans. dry rice. figure out how to cook rice and beans and make them interesting figure out how to take a bucket of just raw wheat and turn it into something. That's edible grab some corn and figure out how to use it. Stephen harris has a lot of resources on that on his website. Trump. lots of recipes and things like that so start with one. Before you do it. I would personally focus on higher value foods that are compact and more easily divided into smaller places before i would go out and buy big bags of corn if i were living in a small apartment so smaller packages just five pound packages of rice. Smaller canned foods things like that. Those are things that are more convenient to store. You can tuck them aside into little nooks and crannies put the money in the furniture etc. Put them in the cabinets and have huge amounts of food on hand without having to figure out what to do with fifty pound bags. And then what i would do have as part of kind of my my last hour preparations. If you saw something was happening then i would have a plan to go and get some of that stuff. So if you know that tractor supply cells that kind of feed corn and if you know that you always keep a few hundred dollars in cash on hand if there's an event that's happening and you re recognize that this could affect the food supply. Then you know the first place. I'm going tractor supply with a few hundred dollars in cash. And i'm gonna go ahead and load at the back of my car with feed corn and in that situation i'm in a stack it up high But i wouldn't personally start with that with a one bedroom apartment. I would start by just deeper pantry of smaller more normal foods that you regularly eat that are shelf. Stable myself wonderful. Thank you sir. Appreciate it my pleasure. Your big winner also on that subject is going to be pasta so pasta and tomato sauce. That kind of stuff stores really really well all right. We go to peter in new york. Peter welcome to the show. How can i serve you today. Sir joshua Life insurance question for you What's the best way to figure out how much life insurance you actually need doing. These analysis so A needs analysis. What what the way to do that. Well let's let's do it right now. Okay the first thing you do. Is you figure out how much you calculate how much debt you'd wanna pay off from your life insurance policy if you died so do you have any debt that you would have paid off for your family died. How much Let's say let's use us around number. Let's call it Million dollars okay. So million dollars debt. The second thing is how much cash would you wanna make sure that your family had not income. We'll get to income in just a moment. But how much cash would you wanna make sure that your family had in the bank to cover any kind of expenses one time expenses lump sum expenses refuel costs -mergency funds things like that Let's say one hundred thousand now. Then we look at income needs and there are usually two parts of income needs. That family wants number. One is income for any kind of big picture expenses. That are short in time. So for example if you have children a lot of times You know a father will say right. Now i'm a kids in a private school. My kids in fourth grade. I wanna make sure that he has enough money coming in to where he can stay in that private school from fourth grade through twelfth grade. And i wanna make sure i cover college so do you have children and are there any education expenses associated with children that you wanna cover not yet but that's coming soon. Okay we'll come back to that in a moment then and then the second thing is how much income would you want to provide for your wife and children to live on and for how long any ideas probably pick around number. Let's say two hundred fifty thousand a year for five years. Okay and then after five years what would she do I would say flexing muscles. She's currently flexing more. Okay hopefully hopefully if down someone else by understood so we'll come back to this in just a second and then if you did have children how much money would you want to set aside for an educational fund man. I probably just say let's just say happened million per child who knows where that's going so five hundred thousand dollars per child and do you have any idea of how many children you hope to have probably just one okay so if we total this up we've got we to pay off a million dollars in debt. We're going to have one hundred thousand of cash at one point one million. We wanna have five hundred thousand dollars set aside for educational costs for one child that brings us up to one point six and two hundred fifty thousand dollars of income for five years. That's a total of one point. Two five million dollars cash ignoring any kind of investment returns in this situation just to make the math simple so we add one point six plus one point two five million wind up with two million eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So that's our total need is just under three million. Two hundred and eight to two million eight hundred fifty thousand dollars now. How much money is available or investments is available. Now that if you died those things would be sold. How much cash do you have. How much liquid investment money you have etc Retirement accounts as well. Yes and Houses well yes out that is about about two million okay so if you have two million dollars of stuff that you would want sold for your wife etc then you just take two point eight five million dollars subtract two million dollars and you wind up with of life insurance of basically eight hundred fifty thousand dollars or a million dollars among friends. Now let me first of all. How much do you earn per year right now. Four four hundred thousand okay. So that's probably a little bit light and let me come back and put on kind of my life. Insurance advisers had the process that we just use. This needs analysis. Houston say. here's what i would want to do. Here's what i would want to provide if i died for my family. And then here's what assets we have available and those are the numbers that you can pull apart so if you wanna pay off a million dollars in debt and in have those other numbers two hundred fifty thousand dollars or five years there you go. It's two point eight five million dollars now if you want to allocate all of the cash like for example this paying off the debt does that reflect paying off your personal mortgage and then all of a sudden your wife's going to sell the house which she going gonna do then well then you have to think those things through talk them through with her see how much she needs etc. But let's say that you said okay. Retirement accounts. I wanna make sure that the retirement accounts are still there for her retirement. I wanna make sure that the house is still there for her to live in. And then now. If i provide two hundred fifty thousand dollars for five years it feels a little bit better and then so maybe the number is three million. So let me ask you a question. Let's say that you died. Sorry let's say that your wife died and you have a son and you're not working. Would you feel economically secure with the numbers that you went over. Would you feel economically secure in that scenario if your wife were the one who died and you had the and she had a million dollars in life insurance and then you sold all these assets. I stopped working right. I think Yeah yeah i think i would actually okay so if you would and that may be close to the right number now. The big blind spots for many men come into these things. The first thing is how long do you want the income for your wife. What i would do is. I would try to model the income for her entire lifetime. Now you and your. Unc might be different right. She might be making a lot of money etc there's always variations and this is probably not the forum to do it but what i try to encourage husbands to do is to make sure that their wife has more income for a longer period of time especially as it relates to having children right. My wife is very smart. she's a hard worker. she's very good with money. She will die. I leave a penny. She'll pinch the penny right. she's good at that. The question is this right. We have a certain lifestyle that we have dreamed of a way of living type of lifestyle. Wanna give to our children. And so i wanna make sure that if i'm dead she can still accomplish that goal regardless of whether i'm here or not i don't want her to have to worry okay. For example we plan to homeschool our children. I don't know how long i maybe all the way through their primary and secondary education. I don't know. But i don't want her to ever come to a school year and feel like you know what we have to go and put. I have to put my children into a government school because otherwise we're not gonna have any money that's just unacceptable to me. I wanna make sure that she has enough money that she can continue to raise our children in the way that she wants to be. If i'm dead and gone. I hope that my wife would remarry. I would love it if she would find another husband who she can live happily for the rest of her lifetime with. I'd be thrilled to hear that. However i don't want her to think be thinking about going and marrying someone else for his money. I want her to know that she's taking care of what happens if she wants to marry someone else. Because he's a good fit for her or the ideal and so these numbers in my opinion. You're probably a lot below. Where would actually be necessary for your wife to live at your custom lifestyle. You can play with. The numbers just doing the needs analysis. How much of a lump sum do i need to pay off debt. How much lump sum of cash and then how much income and for how long and then you simply back those numbers up to present value analysis but for guy making four hundred thousand dollars a year to have a million dollars life insurance especially when you know unless you're sick and have a heart attack or something you could probably buy a million dollar life insurance for something like i dunno forty or fifty bucks. A month seems a little silly to me to not have more of it and so usually when you do this analysis and you really think it through and you run the numbers Usually unless you're already financially independent usually wind up with somewhere around ten to twenty times your income of life insurance now if you have not yet accumulated any assets because you're just getting started. That number is often twenty times right. I'll frequently work with You know young dr just out of residency making his first time. Four hundred thousand one situation. You know having six million dollars. Life insurance is not in any way excessive. Because what he's protecting is the value of his income for his wife and children for a very long period of time. If you have some assets than you start to become self insured and that's sounds like where you are right where you're somewhere on the way to being self insured and then once you become self insured of course you don't need life insurance but when i look at it and you look at the cost of a term life insurance policy which is just usually quite negligible. Then you wind up recognizing that. This is probably some of the best money that i can spend just to have a cheap term life insurance policy enforce good. Let me do a quick the term. Yeah go ahead. I was just gonna say should the term reflect The the time that you want the income replacement in this type of analysis or are they unrelated source. Yes and no so. How old are you know ballpark. More or less Early early forties. Okay and are you healthy. India smoke cigarettes. I'm healthy. I don't smoke and you live in the state of new york. Is that right. Yup seles do a forty year old male in the state of new york. I'm going to do it insurance quote here for you. And let's do a ten-year term a fifteen year term and a twenty year term. Okay and let's run this for four million dollars a death benefit content times your income no writers and let's run it at preferred best non tobacco The the very best rating that. You're gonna get cain will give you some premiums here so To your term question so here for four million dollars ten year level term insurance for preferred non-tobacco. Here's principal insurance company. One thousand sixty five dollars a year for four million dollars of coverage protective eleven eighty six per year lincoln twelve sixty four per year nationwide thirteen ninety five per year equitable fifteen nine hundred. Sixteen twenty eight john. Hancock eighteen hundred a year. Banner eighteen hundred a year prudential. Twenty one sixty five so depending on the health rating. You could get a thousand for for between two thousand and two thousand dollars per year in premiums. You could get four million dollars of term life insurance enforce for the next ten years that seemed like a lot of money to you know all right so twenty year term twenty. Turn a outside. The premiums are low. Exactly be injury so you can get twenty year term right and i ran you as a forty year old. You'd probably a little bit early. Ran the forty years old a forty year old non tobacco super preferred for twenty or level term with principal. Your two thousand one hundred thirty four dollars a year equitable two thousand one hundred and fifty five protective twenty. Two fourteen lincoln. Two thousand five hundred. Nationwide three thousand so between two to three thousand dollars a year. You can get four million dollars of twenty year level term coverage. So when i look at that. I've done this so many times over the year. I mean for guy making four hundred thousand dollars a year. If i give you the offer and say listen you write me a check for two thousand bucks a year. If you die in the next twenty years i stroke your wife a check for four million bucks. If you don't die in two thousand dollars a year max out of pocket is every year two thousand ten years. You paid me twenty grand twenty years. You paid me. Forty grand right is at a bad bet to make. Is that going to wreck your world. No i've spent more money on much. Dumber thing right right. And so i always just start there so i i like like having a lot of life. Insurance makes me feel good when i'm doing something dumb. It makes me feel good when i'm an airplane bouncing up and down even though i know everything about aaron article science and on pretty safe i still feel good knowing all right if this plane goes down at least my wife doesn't have to worry about money. So the amount of time that you have term insurance in force should go for the amount of time that you're really gonna need it near situation. I'd be okay based upon what i'm you've got. Two million dollars in the bank in cash and investments cetera. Even ten year term would probably be fine because chances are if you still need term insurance after ten years you can still get it. It's probably not a risk. You're probably gonna be in the point where you could easily consider yourself self-insured within ten years based on the trajectory you're on and so if you just went with cheapest term product that would be fine what i might do in a situation like yours if i were insurance agent is i would do a ladder i would do to two million dollars ten year level term and then i would do maybe a million dollars a fifteen year level term in a million dollars or twenty your level term and that would take you to basically retirement age with somewhere between a million and two million depending on how we split those policies up. It'll cover you big time for the next ten years where you're going to be working a lot making a lot and allow you to see where you are ten years from now in terms of your wealth and so i would. I would kind of do some kind of ladder. Ladder approach off last point. How much life insurance does your wife have about. Half a million. If i'm not mistaken so love to see you have about half as much at if possible about half as does she earned income to your household. Okay so if sharon's income should she makes a lot of money the need more gabe but if she doesn't earn any income above sea or have at least half of what you have. And here's why all right as a high income male right you would imagine that okay if my wife died like i'm still going to have my career and i think that's probably true right one who generates the income into our household. The problem goes back to this right my wife and i we have four children. We have certain dream. Certain lifestyle about how we want to live. If my wife died. Could i keep working. I could right. But i i would have a hard time doing the exact same thing and raising our children the way that we want to raise them and so it's very hard for me to imagine. Hey you know guys mom died. And now i'm going to keep on working fifty or sixty hours a week and you're just gonna sit over here in the corner and take care of yourself. I'm not gonna go put them in a government school Going to hire a nanny. Maybe but i would much rather not have money. Be the thing that keeps me going because i'm not going to work on monday with the same level of energy enthusiasm that i went to work last monday if my wife dies so it's very important that even if you do earn a lot of money that you make sure that you still have a large amount of life insurance coverage on your wife so that if she dies you can still build the kind of family life that you guys have dreamed of building great. Thanks so much all right my pleasure i guess i just don't see when we're talking about those numbers i just don't see why people wouldn't have a lot of term life insurance unless you're a principal thing but when you actually quote life insurance now if the guy can't get super preferred non-tobacco and he gets table three tobacco rates then. All of this changes all of a sudden. It's hard to say. Yeah you should spend fifteen thousand dollars a year two by four million dollars a year coverage you don't need but that's not the that's probably not situation that we're in let me finish up. Today's show thirty five minutes. And i'm going to switch now to. Let's talk about the state of florida so my family and i we've been traveling a lot as you know. We got rid of our house and we have become perpetual travelers. Now again nomads. Living out of a handful of suitcases kind of bouncing around the world in march we were in mexico. Excuse me in april. We were in mexico in. May we were in costa rica here in june. We are in florida back in the united states. And i've talked quite a bit about expatriating from the united states leaving the united states. It's always interesting to me to come back. So let me just share a couple of ideas about the united states and about florida in particular having been gone from the united states for almost three years at this point. I am much more at peace with the united states than i was back. Then the reason that i'm at peace is that i'm no longer reliant on one country what made me incredibly nervous. A few years ago. When i woke up and i realized that my future and my children's future was entirely connected to one country it was reflected to connected to a very good country in many ways the greatest empire in the world at present right the only empire in the world at present with tremendous benefits tremendous opportunities tremendous blessings cetera but one country and i was sitting. I sit and look at long-term trends. And i look at things like we've mentioned before about you. Know the national debt and things like that and i just sat and said makes no sense to me that my children should be indentured servants to the future of the greatest debtor nation in the history of the world. Now will that debt. Turn out to be a problem in the long run or not. I don't know. But i think are good reasons to think that it could be a problem. And if it were a problem why honor should my children be burdened with that their number of escape hatches right i. I don't really think that our children are gonna ever pay back any kind of national debt. I think they'll default on the debt and they'll just move on with life. And i don't i'm not a catastrophes. I don't think it's going to be a bad thing. Defaulting on debt is not necessarily a bad thing but i realized this incredible vulnerability. I realize that i and my children were vulnerable. And the last three years. I've worked hard to eliminate that vulnerability to the point now where i could divorce myself from the united states. If i wanted to and fully divorce leave never come back and that feels really good to know that. I have that that option. That feels really really good. Along the way. I've become more peaceful because of knowing that i have that option and so now it's easier for me to come back to the united states and just let some of the stuff go by and come to appreciate so many things about this country things that a few years ago because i was so personally emotionally kind of tied up in knots. I couldn't i couldn't see as honestly and objectively as i would've liked but now that my personal emotions have been relieved that i know i don't have to be here anymore. Then you come to appreciate a lot of things about this country. And i'll share some of those because i want i want you to appreciate things about where you may live wherever that happens to be in. Saudi share some of those things. Speaking generally financially the united states is one of the best and easiest places in the world that you can live if you want to get ahead. This is so under appreciated. In my opinion having i have lived internationally. I live internationally traveled internationally. I'm interested in the international living approach. Why people think about you know a certain country a certain place that they can go and where they can Live better on less but having been to most of those places. I am convinced that if i were retiree living on a very modest social security income there is no place in the world that i would rather be than the united states of america. I do not see it in any place that i have. Travelled including mexico other places that retirees enjoy being placed in latin america dominican republic. And things like that. I just do not see a better life style. Unless then in the united states of america if i had to live in a thousand dollars a month i would not want to be in mexico. I would want to be in the united states of america. Now there are a couple of categories that are very difficult to save money on in the. Us one category is housing. But i think that you can save money on housing with more of a creative strategic approach and by relocation there are areas right. If i were going to live in manhattan on one thousand dollars a month. I wouldn't want to do it wouldn't do it. miami i wouldn't do it but there are all kinds of places all across the united states that have very low cost of housing just like there are in other countries. There are places in the united states that have low costs and so even if you have a very modest amount of money available to spend on rent you can find options all across the country. If you're willing to relocate and it's a lot easier to relocate from the downtown city to a small country town two hours outside of the city than it is to relocate from the downtown city in the united states to you know the rural city in ecuador. It's just a lot easier to do a lot. Cheaper to get back and forth a lot. Easier to relocate. Lot easier to check things out at sarah. In addition what people are doing right now in the united states. Is there solving the housing kind of question with more of a creative approach right. They're living in a van or in a camper something like that. And i'm convinced that living in a van is probably a better lifestyle then living in cheap housing in ecuador or living in cheap housing in mexico. You can go and you can put up shack in many places in the world the shack that you cannot build in the united states because of building codes. But you still would be better off with a nice. Rv or even just modest rv. Then you are living in that shack in terms of of an adjustment so think carefully about the location and recognize that housing is expensive where you live in the united states. You don't necessarily have to another country because housing is often more expensive in other countries at least for the kind of housing. You're you're accustomed to the united states building. Supplies are relatively inexpensive. They're all kinds of things that you can do. And then of course you can live in in a more interesting and kind of creative approach again. Rv's are are very popular for this. They're also lots of ways that you can cut your housing costs right. You care taker for somebody of property. You can manage an apartment there. There's lots of ways that you can cut that so while housing costs are often high in the united states. You can adjust them by location. And it's easier for you to move from a new yorker from pennsylvania to mississippi than it is for you to move from new york or pennsylvania to mexico. The second big cost that is high. In the united states is healthcare expenses. Healthcare expenses are high in the united states. And so this is where when people are really satisfied with their international relocation. I often hear them talk about healthcare. They talk about how look. I can afford to live in ecuador. I can afford to live in mexico because of the cost of a low cost of healthcare. And i think that's entirely valid. If you are facing some kind of personal situation where you specifically can be adjusted by healthcare by living in another country that's worth considering there are A couple of caveats however the first thing is recognize. You don't necessarily have to move somewhere full-time in order to get the benefits. The lower cost of healthcare. I had some dental done. When i was in costa rica. Costa rica is a very Popular dental tourism destination and so if you have thousands of dollars of dental work done go ahead and grab yourself a plane ticket to costa rica and have some dental work done in costa rica. Instead of necessarily in the united states you can do medical tourism in mexico without living there fulltime without relocating fulltime. For someone who does have a chronic condition something for which just one time. Medical tourism isn't necessarily the best solution I think you should be very thoughtful. And just make sure the wonder. Stand what you're getting into very rarely do i hear of an international ex-pat who is satisfied with the local healthcare system that specifically government run. You can go to russia and you can sign up and become a part of the national healthcare service. But very rarely. Does somebody want to use that. Your money can go farther in a private hospital. Get a higher standard of care right. Took my children for a doctor visit in In costa rica and just to get a checkup and whatnot and you sit there. It's wonderful right. You sit and talk to the doctor for an hour. it's a totally different scenario. And you can easily afford it right. You're not you're not. You're not worried about the cost. It's just totally different thing So those are good but you have to count in the cost of the private healthcare options. So that is really good reason to move abroad. I think another good reason to move abroad is if you wanna get better care for chronic condition things like in home healthcare spoke to p spoken to people around the world and you know for example. One big problem in the united states is how do i provide care for my aging mother. My aging father oftentimes to have a twenty four seven private duty nurse that certainly a six figure sum perhaps as much as one hundred thirty one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year for high quality. Care well you can have a very high quality twenty four seven nursing relationship for your aging parents in mexico for a third of that cost and really do better so this is something that is well worth paying careful attention to If inferring those situations beyond that though. I find that a lot of the cost beyond those two things i find. A lot of the cost of living abroad are simply higher and most. Us americans do not understand how good they have it. In the united states almost everything you can possibly buy is cheaper in the united states than almost anywhere else in the world even the good stuff even the higher quality product etc. The big ticket items in the united states are cheaper than almost anywhere else cars for example and the united states. You have search a massive new car marketplace. That people are frequently buying new cars. They're buying good cars because of that massive new car marketplace the used marketplace is extraordinarily robust. Anybody who wants to go out and buy a high quality family minivan all right. You can do that. Four thousand bucks. Four thousand bucks. You can find a six-year-old or year. Old toyota sienna. Honda odyssey something like that. Which is going to can last you for years. It's reliable at safe it's economical. She's a wonderful vehicle and it costs practically nothing compared to the costs in many other places. The united states has very low import taxes so the actual cost of a vehicle is low compared to the import taxes and other places. So you have this robust new car marketplace that that that is is more robust than most places and that leads to an incredibly robust used car marketplace for household goods appliances in the united states. It's common that when you rent an apartment it comes with the appliances built in. That's not common in many places in the world any place in the world. You rent an apartment and you have to then go and buy all the and so where do you get. A bunch of high quality used appliances. Well the united states. They're very readily available. There's tons of good used ones available because there's tons of new ones available that are cheap and so just everything is cheap in the united states. You have a tremendous library system all kinds of free books free a computer access free movies free music. Everything is available for free and so with that internet connection that those dvd collections etc. You can have entertainment. It's very inexpensive. There are some places in the united states that are unsafe. But in general you can live most places without worrying too much about security concerns that's tremendous benefit because in some other places not that way you know you're gonna wind up having to incur the cost of living in some places in a gated neighborhood or in a place with community levels of security. It's not necessary in the united states. Cost of cell phone plans costs of cell phones. Right you can go on offer up and grab yourself a very good cell phone for cheap. That marketplace doesn't exist in some other places and so just on down the list even food now. food is kind of an interesting variation calories. You can buy calories in the united states cheaper than almost anywhere else in the world. You have subsidized bulk food so if you want to buy wheat and corn etc i mean just so insanely cheap to buy a bag of flour. Specialty foods in the united states certainly cost more but it's relatively easy for you to adjust them and and to ha- and to get them where they're not even available in many places in the world. So i i don't plan to move back to the united states right now but i wanna point out to you just for the sake of honesty that if you're just pining to go away for some other reason recognized that it probably is pretty good. Were you are in the united states. You can probably live cheaper here than virtually anywhere else that i know of. Especially if you know the systems. I've spent a lot of time over the last few years going through government offices and doing this and doing that and going through all these different procedures and whatnot. This stuff is so time consuming. It is so So time consuming and expensive. And then i came back and one of the things i've done here in florida's renew my driver's license. I couldn't renew it online. At this point. I had to renew it in person and with the exception of the fact that because a covert i had to get an appointment for you just in and out and was causing sixty bucks right done. It was much more efficient than many other places. That i have that i have Been involved in this kind of bureaucratic approach so one encourage you that the united states is very good place to live and you can live here cheaper than almost anywhere else also in terms of business opportunities and opportunities for work you can make money here in ways that you cannot in other places. There is plenty of employment opportunities available for in the united states. And that's why so many people who are underemployed. All around the world want to move to the united states because of employment opportunities. it's just a tremendously powerful and robust market with so much diversity and so much strength are options all across the country. I'm reminded also of that. While i think that merican confidence and personal freedom is highly overrated. There are indeed significant levels of personal freedom that are useful and so whether it's medical freedom educational freedom personal freedom there are high levels of personal freedom that you see now that's been tested a lot during the pandemic of the last year been really tested and in some places that people fail the test in some places they passed the test. But that's been really really good. Let me talk now about state of florida. When you look across the united states there are of course many different regions that you can choose from the reason why most of us live where we live is going to be because number one. That's where family is from those that we love and want to be around them with very good reason number two. It's going to be because that's where we are in money. That's where our economic opportunities are and these are really good reasons to live where you live but when you wanna look for a good mixture of freedoms of cost sarah i think florida offers. A tremendous value. Proposition really does And so you really should consider. Consider florida as an option for you. If you're thinking about relocating florida's not the best in everything. But it's very good in many things. So i care a lot about your freedom personal freedom and your financial freedom. Florida is pretty good on the majority of laws that are going to affect your personal freedoms things that are important to me. Things like home education. Laws they're not onerous things like child related laws. They're not onerous things like gun laws. They're not bad they're pretty good overall. You can pretty. Well be left alone in florida in terms of the costs. The costs of florida no state income taxes. We all know that. No no really just overbearing. Government costs for example. We don't have the california franchise tax board etc. It's pretty cheap to start a business maintain an llc etc in the country. Most of the costs of things like registering a vehicle. Sarah are pretty modest. Things that are high. In florida property taxes can be high especially in the more built up areas. If you're in dade county broward county palm beach county to some extent In orlando tampa jacksonville property taxes are not low that's how the state and local governments fund themselves But there are they're not. I don't think crazy right i will hear. Talk to people in the northeast talk about their property taxes and they're much higher than they are in florida so they're not low in florida but they are low in other places and so you can be in other places right now. I'm in central florida Looking out to one of the lakes in central florida and the property taxes on this house. That i'm staying in just extremely modest. Even though i've got lake view right outside the window so a lot of these costs are are really are pretty modest Florida is a wonderful place for wealthy people again. You have you have a cultural respect for wealth and desire to attract wealth. It's built into the to the culture. It's built into the government infrastructure. You have the no no state income tax and that is very deeply entwined in florida culture I don't see that changing anytime soon because friends are used to it and they're not gonna stand for it. You have the good very good asset protection coverages right complete exemption of your house right. You can have in a fifty million dollar house on palm. Beach island or jupiter island is completely protected and in that extends to 401k's of course on a federal regulation level but an. Ira is roth. Ira is five to nine cash value life insurance policies annuities etc that are protected from the claims of creditors. There's lots of very good. Very robust asset protection laws and so on the whole i think the from the legal framework florida is very very good. do other states have something to offer. Does texas have a lot to offer. I think absolutely does wyoming have a lot to offer without question but we're florida. Has that a lot of those. Other places don't have is a much more interesting culture cultural variety. If you wanna live the flashy you know downtown lifestyle. You'll be so comfortable in miami if you want to live. The kind of hometown redneck lifestyle And go gator hunting and fishing everyday. You'll love belle glade. Clewiston if you wanna live the laid back White sandy beaches lifestyle. But in the city. You'll love tampa clearwater If you want the laidback old florida appalachicola will treat you so well or tallahassee or something like that if you want if you want kind of the interesting built up city you've got jacksonville. I mean if you want theme parks. When i got arlando if you want beautiful rolling you know things that remind you of the rolling hills of kentucky and horse farms You've got what's the town south of south of gainesville where you just have this incredible equestrian lifestyle so there. There are options even up to north florida. If you want more cool if you don't like the weather right you you don't want the heat and humidity. That is the downside of florida the heat and humidity during the summer. Well you can. You can't get away from the heat and humidity in north. Florida can get more of the cold inland scenario up in north central florida. So it's a. It's a huge state. The keys has totally different lifestyle to offer. So the more time i've spent traveling around the united states looking at these options more time i spent traveling around the world more impressed i am with my home state and i really think it is well worth your consideration. If you're thinking about relocating somewhere florida's extremely well-connected right you do business in the americas. I think south florida is a tremendous place to be based you have connections in miami and fort lauderdale miami fort lauderdale. You have to massive international airports that reached the world very very easily palm beach international. Was good for. Us connections as well but with miami and fort lauderdale. You've got connections to every caribbean island. Every central and south american country for cheap right for cheap we flew from costa rica to fort lauderdale on spirit. Airlines wanted to low budget airlines for one hundred and something dollars a ticket That's phenomenal to have one way tickets. Back and forth to central america south america's cheap well-connected all through south america. Obviously you can hit europe directly. I'll be flying out of miami directly into paris and a few weeks and so on air france it's well connected to europe and so it's pretty well connected and yet most of the countries within striking distance to you can you can fly to. There have been times in the past. I flew to new york in the morning. One time and flew back in the evening. So if you've got business in the northeast you can genuinely make it a day trip on one of the commuter flights. It's really really very good. You can fly directly from palm beach to jfk. Small airport fast to get in and out. Don't have to arrive at the airport too much in advance. It's just a really convenient place to go. So i don't have any agenda island just to share with you. 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How to Crockpot Your Savings | Reboot Episode

Millennial Money

24:38 min | 1 year ago

How to Crockpot Your Savings | Reboot Episode

"You should save money. Yeah. I know. But where at how much did I save? Should I save money when it paying off my debt and what if I don't WanNa Save Money This is the dialogue that goes through most of our heads from time to time when it comes to saving money in this reboot episode, I'm sharing a fun concept called Crock Pot your savings. It's one of my very, very, very favorite episodes so I hope you enjoy it as well. You're listening to millennial money with Award Winning Money Expert and Serial Entrepreneur Shana come to game were we flip the script on the old school approach to everything your parents have never taught you about money Each week Shawna creates a safe space by talking with special guests from around the world about money wellness entrepreneurship, trailing like a boss and what makes millennials tick. Unique stories, trail-blazing perspectives, tips, tricks, and everything. There is to know about money. Find It. All here is you cover your money story and unlocked the life you WanNa live. Pretty Cool Right Here Shawna Money Expert Indiana hoosier and Burger Aficionado. I love connection between Food and money I often talk about it a lot whenever I'm giving a presentation because I think obviously food is something that hopefully we all like to eat I. Know I have. An affinity for food probably for all. The wrong kinds of food I'm really trying right now my birthday's in July and trying right now to kind of low carb low sugar thing and I'm GonNa Committee is really hard to do because I love those things right but I know they're not great for my performance but anyway, you know a food I think. The way I really related to money is you know when you're thinking about a meal or you thinking about a recipe right? There are ingredients that you need to put together in order for the recipe to turn out. Right especially for talking about baking. If. There's any bakers bakers listening. You know if you do not actually measure the ingredients, you're not gonNA have the amazing cake or you're not gonNA have that that desert that tastes so amazing that everybody. Falls in love with in. So you can get away with you know kind of. guesstimates when you're cooking lots of other things especially, if you made it a few times with baking is one of the specialties where you every single time you have to be super exacting and I think there are a lot of things like that money. Right? There are some things where you can just kind of guess you can. Kind of. Go Okay Well I. Did it this way last time so maybe I'll put a little more of this a little bit more of that. But then there are definitely some things when it comes to money where you need to be like the baker and you need to be super exacting or is exacting as you had be right everything is with a grain of salt is always my message for for all you guys that are listening. But you get the idea I mean I just think it has some direct correlation. Stand food stand cooking. Even if we don't Cook, you can understand. Meal, planning and a recipe and ingredients and how certain ingredients come together to create something amazing and. Obviously how certain ingredients they just don't mix well right or just doesn't taste good. and. So I found this amazing article on Financial Planning Magazine. Wow is such an awesome topic idea and and it really I think helps explain. Investing and saving and why it's so. To start this young, and even if you know that intuitive like we all know that intuitively right. But I think you know sometimes when you can make a correlation between things it just for some reason, it somehow cliques in your brain. And you know all personal finance experts we disagree a lot of things. But one thing we definitely agree on again is starting early to save it's GonNa almost always help you reach those lifestyle goals quicker and with more ease than waiting longer in life, and that is just it's literally like a mathematical equation throat whatever the stock market does or whatever your investments return or whether you're conservative or risky or whatever may be it really is just time it's just mathematical equation that makes this makes sense so. When we talk about Crock potting your savings, I know which is kind of crazy right. But but think about this way the idea is very simple. When you PREPA meal. CROCK. Pot It takes advance planning right? You gotta get all of the different ingredients together at one time and then you dump them all in the Crock pot I mean that is like the brilliance of the Crock Pot I. Adore the Crock Pot because almost every time something comes out amazing from the Crock Pot. Even if I forgot an ingredient to put in it, it's something about the low and slow cooking of me or ingredients that really blend together and you you cook if if you don't know if you've not crock pot cooked yet. Or there's anybody out there. WHO's like a deep fear of cooking I severely strongly urge you to try crock pot cooking 'cause it's really hard to mess up crock pot cooking. It really is it's quite simple. And so you know you turn the Crock Pot on low and you know whatever's in the Crock Pot it may cook for six to eight hours and you'll even really need to do much a lot of times you need to stir it but all times during is good occasionally, right But then it is magic at the end of like six or eight hours you. All of a sudden, you have this amazing dish. So the effort is fairly minimal on your part. The toughest part is just getting all the ingredients together in the beginning but the crock pot really is like your personal chef and you can almost never miss mess it up. You can almost never one of my favorite dishes that I make in the crock pot is a mean red wine braised short ribs. It almost always comes out. Amazing. I've tried to replicate the Daesh actually in your pin on the stove and cooking my short ribs it never works out right for whatever reason. It's quite frustrating actually because I'm a bit of a competition person. So I compete with myself and I like to like I like to make it work. So when it doesn't work, get really frustrated but you know the the Crock pot works well. So why am I talking to mess with the good thing right but think about it this way if you wait until the last minute I microwave can. Be used proper meal right how many times we get home late from work or were exhausted in the weekend recovering from the bar, whatever it may be, and we just wasn't thinking fast and just pop it in the microwave. I. Mean the microwave has just taken off whether it's good for us or not good for US I. Think most of us are guilty of microwaving probably far too much because. It's just fast. We've got to wait for the oven to heat up, and then we've got to wait for something to where up in the oven I mean it you know thirty forty minutes and a lot of us just don't WanNa. Let's face it. We just don't want to spend the time waiting for the oven, right? We rather or the crop bought my God. Why would we want to wait sixty eight hours or something? Three seconds that's going to be warm and somewhat resemble the original structure of the meal. But the is hardly the same rate. So if I tried cooking my short ribs in red wine sauce in the microwave is not going to be amazing his probably going to be. Chewy and she's not going to be tender. It's not gonNA be slow cooked. It's not GonNa have that same flavor. But you know there are certain things that I can't Cook I can cook go baked potato in a microwave I can cook. You know I'm not a TV dinner person but I could cook dinner in the microwave you cook so many things actually in the microwave and There are so many places around the world where they don't have ovens they actually use the microwave or some form of the microwave to cook meals and. Again, it's because it's fast and had simple and it doesn't take a lot of energy. Doesn't take a lot of what Christie a lot of times. became you actually pull off a prosperous retirement prosperous. Lifestyle goals despite having minimal investment expertise and without spending a lot of hours on your portfolio. That's the question. Can you microwave your savings? Can you Mike Wave Your retirement your lifestyle goals? Or do you mean a Crock Pot Strategy? Do you need a low and slow strategy? Do. Indeed knows it's a cautious time for businesses across America and every money decision is carefully made now more than ever. 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This is their best offer anywhere. Go right now to indeed dot com slash my money terms and conditions apply offer valid through September thirtieth. What I want to look at this example from the financial planning article I'll link in the show notes because it's a really good read a lot of the articles on there are meant for financial planners in there a little bit more I would say kind of depth than. than. You actually need to know about but I think this one is written in. Pretty. Pretty. Good English, pretty easy to understand. A, planning perspective. So here's their example. All right. So you start working at twenty five and you make thirty five, thousand dollars hopefully will actually make a lot more at the start but. That figure isn't really unrealistic, right? I think thirty five, thousand and forty, thousand, forty, five, thousand. Even when you roll at College, it's a pretty decent number. You know unfortunately most of us have student loans or car payments or credit card debt and so that's what makes it really tough tough on those numbers. and. Then if you live anywhere like a, you know L. A. New. York. Chicago even maybe You know there's certain places like that where it's it's hard to stretch that kind of money. Especially, we don't have a roommate or anything like that. But anyway, let's just go with thirty five thousand dollars for this example. So, your income increases two point five percent each year during your working career. Again, pretty pretty average the average is usually around three percent, but there's GonNa be some years where you're probably not gonNA get an increase. So two and a half percent I think works. and. Then you plan to retire around age seventy with your final salary is roughly around one hundred and three thousand dollars a year. Again, these are just sort of numbers that were picking from the sky that they're picking from the sky. For this example, you could retire earlier later. I really think that. Specially the younger millennials listening to the PODCAST. You're actually going to probably retire later but you know I. Think every time I say that people really freak out but think about it like if you were tired seventy but you live to a hundred, you spend thirty years retirement. That's a really long time to either be doing anything or to need cash for right. So I think the idea really is to find things that you love to do and that you you almost don't retire from you know I I'm the type of person where. I don't actually think I want to quote unquote retire like the idea for me just stopping doing everything i. think it sounds really good for a specific period of time like maybe a couple of months. But I'm just not that type of person I need to be active I need to be stimulated I have always got any idea. There's always something I'm working on. So for me I don't really think that works but. For a lot of that might it's fine. That's why this is. This is. So this is not one size fits. All right. We're talking about investing. We're talking about how much money you need to save. Their. So many different factors that come into this that it is impossible for someone to tell you exactly what to do unless you hire a certified financial planner or somebody to work with WHO as actually really looking at your numbers and matching those with your goals right so wanna make that clear. All right. So back to our scenario. So during your forty five year working career gonNA earn about two point, eight, five, million dollars it's a lot of money hopefully more. And if you've saved ten percent of your annual income during that forty-five year working career and you earned zero interest on your savings, you'll have around two, hundred, eighty, five, thousand dollars rate. It's not a lot of money for working that long. However, if you save ten percent of your salary, inexperience is six percent average annual return on your investment portfolio. Your count value at the start of your retirement period at age seventy will be somewhere around a million, seventy two and some change. So this is a slow and steady crock pot approached you understand. So, what it means is that. You're slowly increasing your income, right? Maybe you're slowly increasing the percentage that you're saving You know your your average annual return. Gosh that's going to go up and down and backwards and forwards and all I. Mean it's GonNa. Go in every direction nobody has a crystal nobody can tell you all people can use our. Historical averages but you know we're kind of blowing the top off history lately. So you know I, I don't know what is is the magic number I don't know exactly what's going to happen in your savings I I don't know exactly what goals you want to achieve. You know maybe you don't need that much maybe you need a lot more I don't know I don't know exactly right but the point is that this is kind of a crock pot approach. This is a slow and steady approach over really long period of time over forty five years. This isn't Trying to cram in trying to hit you know a million dollar mark. Age Forty five or age fifty even and you've only got a few years to really cramming it. I mean that is that is microwaving your savings. So let's talk about what you can control. You can control the annual savings percentage that you contribute to your 401k to your IRA to a Rav even the amount you're saving an emergency fund, whatever it may be for you you can control that savings percentage that's really wear. Knowing, your numbers and in diving into your numbers every week every month at the minimum. In really looking at your expenses and seeing you know how creative you can be with those without giving up anything because it's not about giving up. It's about tweaking. There may be a few things that you have to give up but that's okay right. So number to the degree. Or the amount of of match that comes from the company you work with to a degree you can control that right so if your company has a six percent match, you can control how much you're saving up to that match you can't control. The match mount the company sets that match Mount All. Right? Just to make that clear will you can't control is the return on your funds right. But you can do your best your very best to match the funds you choose with your particular risk tolerance how risky really want to be, and if you've never done this before I'm going to link to release simple quiz. You can take online to find out your risk tolerance. The the free one that I found is actually I think it's London restyler Europe risk tolerance quiz, but it'll give you. It'll give you a feel. So I'M GONNA go ahead and link that. In the show notes for you to to check out if you've never if you've never done this before, I think it's a really good idea because it's really important for you to figure out how risky you WANNA be. Because, you could read a thousand articles that say, Oh, you should be you know eighty percent in stocks and twenty percent bonds and you should be all these fast growing stocks and this and that, but it just might not mix with your own personal beliefs in. So it's really important to match those things up. But. The longer you wait the longer you wait to start saving investing the higher interest rate. You're really gonNA need to earn to reach you know if we're talking about the coveted one million dollar mark or really any investment goal that you have and why is this? It's because of compound interest and again just simply mathematics it's just math, right? So if we save a small a bit over a period of time, but we have compound money is compounding it's growing on top of money even if we have. Years The stock market doesn't perform as well. Maybe we'll have other years where performs great right and so it kind of counteract that a little bit. But again, it's just mathematics. It's about taking that low and slow approach. and. There are great calculators only again, a few of those you can figure out the mathematics and see it live and in color. Of, how it works? Okay. If you put twenty five dollars in h month, if you put fifty dollars in each month, you know what is the guest dement again because it's all guesstimate, we don't hope future. We cannot even begin to figure out the future but what we can do is guesstimate it and that's what a lot of these calculators and they help you. You know they'll be given kind of a range, right? So you can kind of feel comfortable with wherever you're at. And just focused on your best effort, what's the best you can save right now it's likely going to change over time and that's fine for women women listening to podcasts. It might change dramatically right because we get married we have kids we take time off, we start and stop or career a lot throughout our lives and women also live longer, and if you're married the stats state that women really are kind of at greater risk because a lot of times what happened is. The husband will end up passing away before the wife and you'll end up spending a lot of the money on husband and then the wife is like wait a minute. I wasn't even left and I'm going to I'm going to still be living for another ten, fifteen, twenty years whatever it may be. Right. So. Women are at a lot more risk in this is why especially for women starting super early with your savings, the are investing. All of these things can be super powerful. So challenge yourself a bit right roll up your sleeves get friendly with your numbers. How much can you realistically save? Don't kill yourself is this is not about. This is not about. Who can save the most? This is not about like a competition with your friends shipped about you and your numbers and your bank account, right? So a few tips to keep in mind again. investing early in life and it doesn't have to be ally can be a really small amount. And set a goal to invest at least ten percent a year. But start at whatever level you can. If you can always start at one percent or two percent who cares start somewhere that's the whole point. You know. I find so many people they're like, well, I can't save ten percent. So I'm just GONNA say anything. And I've done that myself I'm guilty of that like certain times in my life where I've had that kind of mentality in a really schick myself out of it because I know the Crock Pot strategy right. And the microwave strategy it can work, but he usually doesn't work as well as the. CROCK. Pot. IDEA. You know think about investing in whatever portfolio again matches matches with your own goals and your thoughts and feelings about investing. It's so critical You know aim to save as much. You can automate the savings process. If you could automated, it's so much better because it will automatically flow places and again it takes the decision out from yourself. Right? You made a decision the beginning. Okay. Here's how much I'm going to say, but then it automatically. Does it it again it it takes away that decision point for you each month which some months can be really hard I know because I've been there. There's months where I'm like I don't want it to go there I wanted to stay here but I know how important it is for it to go into save into have this crock pot. So crock pot your lifestyle savings don't do a mad dash the end don't need to microwave it. It might not be that tasty it might be but it might not be right. So think of. Think of that low and steady approach. I'm going to have lots of links in the show notes. So Click over those hopefully some of those will be great for you give some sort of visualization to this especially, if you're new an early to investing some of this might be Getting kind of familiar with how this works and really understanding. Investing it can be a little bit tricky. It's it's pretty simple but I know starting out, it can be it can be really. Scary and even if you've been in the market for a long time and maybe you've lost so many here or there you can start to get real panicked and that panic can stop you from. Increasing your savings in whatever way it might be. So you can inch forward to those amazing lifestyle goals that I know you want a cheap. Think. Are you in for Crock potting your savings I think he's a really interesting concept and I love the analogy again between Crock potting microwaving of course anytime I can relate money to food I'm GonNa, do it because I love food, and obviously I love talking about money and I think it helps make money come alive. So thanks so much for checking out this episode share this episode with a friend that you know needs to hear this message shared around. So we can all learn about money and fun new and fresh way. Hey you. Yes you before you go we want to say thanks for listening to this episode of millennial money for all the links tags, and as you've heard on today's episode, check out the show notes or go to end money podcast, DOT com. Will you'll find more episodes to share with your friends while you're at it, leave us a review and make sure to subscribe wherever you listen. 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3:10 To Yuma (1957)

Classic Movie Musts

30:12 min | 11 months ago

3:10 To Yuma (1957)

"I'm Max Baril, and this is classic movie musts where every week we breakdown a classic movie, all looking to provide artistic insight and historical context at the very least we'll talk about what makes these movies classics classic. Movie must releases every Friday ready to complement your weekend movie viewing plans. In this week's episode, we are discussing three ten to Yuma in this episode. In our feature presentation, we are going to get into a deep analysis of the stunning visuals in this western and our buzz from the back lot segment. We'll talk about this film was influenced by and would influence other films but first, let's get into this week's opening credits. Our Film. This week is three ten to Yuma, which was directed by Delmer Davies and was released in Nineteen fifty seven, three ten to Yuma Stars Glenn Ford and Features Van Half Lynn Felicia Farr the Aura Dana Robert M heart and Ford. Ranger? As, rancher Dan Evans and his young sons Matthew and Mark Watch helplessly outlaw Ben Wade and his gang rob the butterfield stage and kill its driver bill moons. After the charming yet deadly Wade confiscates Dan and his sons horses mark asks his father why he failed to resist the outlaws. Later, at home, Dan's devoted wife Alice expresses incredulity over her husband's. Outrage over the crime prompting Dan defeated and distracted by the drought that threatens his ranch to vow that he will obtain the two hundred dollars that a neighboring rancher is demanding access to a spring running through his land at a saloon in the nearby town of Bisbee Wade and his men posing as cowhands tell emmy the pretty bartender that they just witnessed the stage being robbed and its driver killed after the Marshall organizes a posse and rides out. For the outlaws, Wade's men scattered into the countryside while Wade remains behind to romance. Emmy, when the posse encounters Dan along the trail, he identifies the perpetrators as the Wade Gang Alex Potter the town drunk later catches up to the posse and announces that Wade is still at the saloon after which they ride back to town to capture him as Dan distract swayed by demanding that he pay for his loss time the marshalls sneaks up from behind arrests him. Witnessing the arrest one of Wade's gang rides out to notify the others of Wade's peril aware that the outlaws will return to free their leader Marshall offers two hundred dollars to any a man who will take way to trial his only takers. And the inept Alex. the Marshall then puts weight on the next stage coach headed out of town while Wade's men watch from the hills above Dan's ranch the stage appears to break down and as the men struggle to free it from a Rut in the trail wade is surreptitiously removed and replaced by an impostor. Thus fooling the outlaws Wade is then held prisoner at Dan's ranch and after dark Dan. Alex escort him to contention city where they are to put him aboard the three ten train to Yuma. At daybreak they reach contention city where Mr Butterfield the owner of the stage line has rented a room for them at the hotel as Alex Watches the street and Butterfield questions the desk clerk about a customer sleeping under a newspaper in the lobby Dan. Guards. Wade upstairs in the bridal suite. Dan Threatens to shoot if Wade tries to escape. But when Wade tries to jump him Dan relents and spares his life gradually Dan becomes unnerved by the smooth talking Wade who offers him four hundred dollars to let him escape as they peer out the window moons funeral procession passes prompting way to assert that he shot the driver in self defense when the funeral procession enters the saloon moons drunken brother Bob Ceased Butterfield and denounces him for not attending the funeral after Bob Forces Butterfield to reveal that his brother's killer is upstairs bob breaks down the door to the bridal suite determined to kill Wade Dan protects weighed. But in the ensuing struggle Bob gunfires alerting the customer Butterfield noticed sleeping down in the Lobby Wade's Henchmen Charlie prints spotting Wade through the Hotel Room Window Charlie mounts his horse and gallops off reinforcements after Dan learns the Sheriff is out of town and therefore unavailable to help him combat the outlaws bob cowardly refuses to become involved in quickly departs at two thirty butterfield arise with news that he has recruited five men to help their cause as wade continues to rattle Dan by listing the many sacrifices that Alice has made for him. Thus implying that he has been a bad husband Alex warns that the gang is nearing town and butterfield positions his men in the lobby when the gang reaches the Hotel Wade warns Dan that he may never see allison his sons again unless Dan frees him. After butterfield men desert in fear Wade further undermines dance confidence by stating that. Butterfield. Will walk out on him to when Alex Alerts Dan, to a sniper on the roof Charlie shoots the hapless drunk in the back butterfield than runs to dance room and they look on in horror as Alex's dead body is hung from the lobby chandelier panicked. Releases, Dan from his obligation as thunder begins to rumble ominously in the background Alex Concerned about her husband drives in her carriage into town enters the hotel after passing Alex His body Alice runs into Dan's arms and begs him to quit Dan fervently replies that if the town drunk can give his life for justice. So can he when the clock strikes three Dan Asks Butterfield to Dr Alice to safety while he escorts wade out the back door as a whistle signals the trains approach one of Wade's men fires at Dan but misses when he sees a herd of. Cows filing down the street Dan uses them as cover and runs towards the station as the train starts to pull out the gang emerges from behind the billowing smoke and Charlie urges way to run so that he can have a clear shot at Dan. Wade refuses to budge however and unexpectedly agrees to follow dance orders and jump into the passing baggage car once inside wait explains that he oh, Dan for saving his life back at the hotel as the train passes and Alice wait by the tracks in her carriage Dan. Waves at her and it begins to pour. Three ten to Yuma had a box office hall of one point, eight, five, million dollars which adjusted for inflation would be a box office hall of just over seventeen million dollars. Now, it's three Oh nine and is time for our feature presentation. In case you didn't know classic movie must is supported by listeners like you over on Patriot patriotic, dot com slash classic movie musts. We give you two exclusive podcasts for your support for just one dollars a month you get access to classic movie must double feature. which is a podcast. Recent. Movies destined to be thought of as classics and our monthly show. Max's movie must, which is a top five movie list show with movie topics supply by you the listeners. You can also get access to voting in our monthly polls and our monthly digital zoom hangouts with our Patriot community. So please read about all our support tears and their perks and please consider supporting classic movie must at Patriots Dot Com, slash, classic movie musts thank you so much. If delmer Davies film three ten to Yuma recounts the story of recovered masculinity. Its reputation is founded on a departure from the formulaic tropes of the Western. As well as its arresting visual approach. and. It is this commanding visual style which employs a distinctive repertoire of cinematographic techniques that I want to discuss in detail in this episode. Three, ten to Yuma is one of Dumb Davies most stylish films with shot after shot strikingly composed. Its characteristic visual features include the deployment of leading diagonals and generally balanced and often symmetrical compositions. The consistent use of naturalistic side and high contrast lighting extremes of tonality and contrast shadows and doubling effects, extreme camera perspectives, and rising crane shots, consistent deep focus and interactions between cinematography and Meson San that affect a dynamism and energy across the frame and invest the landscape with narrative and historical significance. Certainly. Landscape is never a back cloth. It's always integral to the action. All of these locales are pregnant with meaning more poetic than symbolic filmed with a lyrical and emotional power, but devoid of picturesque qualities. As well as crane shots, Davies use lateral tracking shots which show his extraordinary mastery of space. Are Movements of integration. Of character within community landscape and setting and of emotional entrenchment. The fans of tonal range of Davies visuals spanning from deep blacks through pure whites is an aspect allegedly drawn from Mathew Brady's black and white photographs upon which the film relies. Indeed, as Davies only monochrome Western, the film establishes atypically striking impact in it's opening sequence. A minimalist image divided into scorched plane and sky is punctuated by diagonal trail of horse's hoof prints imprinted into the arid earth leading the I from the lower left of the frame diagonally upwards to the right of the image. From the extreme upper left just visible on the horizon a stage coach comes into view appearing black against the desert while the broad tonality of the image extends through to encompass white clouds. As the carriage travels across the horizon, the camera simultaneously rises shifting the Earth. Initially, only distantly discernible the coach speeds from left to right across the plane and the frame before the camera, and then slowly descends as the coach turns. It subsequently travels directly toward the camera along the extreme lower right of the composition becoming more prominent as it approaches closer and leaving clouds of. Dust in its wake. Thereafter the coach Dave Erz diagonally right to left toward the lower left corner of the frame corresponding to the tracks that originally led the viewers I into the image in the first place. As it does. So the camera continues to shift downwards and the stagecoach increasingly dominates and eventually fills the frame. The combined effect of moving coach rising dust cloud and shifting camera perspective and even shifting horizon is to create both a sublime landscape and a dynamic image establishing several of the artistic tropes that permeate the rest of the film. A sense of movement within the frame continues as the camera tilts down in subjective viewpoint from the coach driver's perspective to view I the black shadows of the galloping horses and then pans across to take account of the horses themselves. The rains oscillate as the coach driver drives the horses, onwards, and further promotes the dynamism of the seen. Much of this energy arises out of Davies proclivity for the rising crane shot a tendency that pervades all of his films although it was three ten to Yuma the Davies began to use the crane shot more overtly. Davies. enlists spontaneity and pacing in his use of the crane shot that he likens to the expression of music and emotion. A tactic that perhaps accounts for the fluidity and the caen basis of his films and clearly manifest in the opening scene of three, ten to Yuma. The lower left to right diagonal traversing across the frame is a trait that the film consistently adopts and is immediately evident thereafter as I cattle stream down diagonally right to left across the frame followed by a sequence in which Charlie, Prince Wade's sidekick also rides in the same direction thereby introducing one of the film's. Villains. The cattle seen again displays a full tonal range ranging from deep blacks in the cattles coats through to the bleached white sand of the desert hills while the use of deep focus renders sharp both the foreground trees and the background hills. Just as Prince, pulls up his horse and directs his gaze out towards the left of the frame with the cattle concurrently hurting diagonally from upper right to lower left. A parallel at it discloses the Butterfield coach also traveling right to left following the same trajectory as the cattle. Subsequently the camera intercut cuts between the herding cattle and the traveling coach graphically matching their respective tracks before a cut to close up of the horses pulling the coach suddenly brings the viewer close to the action. This suddenness of close up is a repeated element in three ten to Yuma and is achieved either simply by cutting to close up or more usually a crane shot that typically swings round to the left and descends as the subject approaches leading to the aforementioned right to left diagonal action and for the subject to dominate the frame. At the same time? The sequence like others displays a propensity for low angle perspectives with the cut to close up concurrently adopting a low angle viewpoint of the stagecoach driver. This sequence is followed by a scene that is partially obliterated by dust clouds which generate a striking visual effect while simultaneously further illustrating the baronness of the land. As the dust clears the camera pans across the gang members on horseback the tenor of the extra digestive music indicating a mounting sense of threat. The low angle perspective is an expression of Davies aesthetic sensibilities. For instance in a scene during which the Marshall Summons his men and asks for two volunteers to escort. Wait contention a low angle shot is directed up toward the surrounding semi circle of men so they appear to be set against a darkened. It's also worth noting. Davies inclination toward Noir tropes. Nor aspects permeate the film and become more prominent as it progresses. These features being consistent with the film's sake logical dimensions Evans beleaguered masculinity and ultimately Wade's potential incarceration. If outdoor shots appeared naturally illuminated indoor scenes, for example, the sequence during which Ben Wade is captured almost invariably entail naturalistic side lighting. Light is itself used in an almost painter Louis fashion for aesthetic impact illustrated when Wade, accompanied by Potter and Evans travels overnight on horseback to contention. As. They catch the sunrise, the light strikes first potter's hat followed by Wade's then that of Evans, each brightly illuminated and the only object discernible in these semi darkness. An obvious outcome of this preoccupation with side lighting is the tendency to noir stylistics. Such poetic interplay of shadow and reflection creates an intriguingly patterned drama of reflective in distortive surfaces. Drama in which human figures mean more than they know and in which surfaces hint at. Hidden Depths. The use of side lighting typically affords the visuals a broad tonal range on occasion producing extremes of contrast. One could certainly argue that whereby the film shot in stark high contrast black and white, it's reflective of the binary nature of conflict between law and lawlessness. Since the images are clearly demarcated against an often empty and bleached looking landscape. The significant use of shadows is first evident when Wade and his gang stop at the bar in Bisbee with pronounce shadows cast across both walls and across each character's face. After. The rest of the gang has departed Wade returns to see enemy the barmaid and this time shadows are even more pronounced. The combined effect of the camera slowly moving into frame the to more closely, and they're increasingly intimate conversation creates a moment of closeness. This culminates in emmys exquisitely poignant upward glance at Wade, and they're passionate embrace thereby creating a scene that owes entirely Davies Direction since it was absent in the original story. Aside from the encounter between Emmy and Wade, shadows are equally noticeable in the hotel room at contention when Evans guards weighed in a bridal suite. Wade's silhouette is cast against the wall behind him even though we learn that the time is approaching midday. This apparent discrepancy arises because, of Davies preference for distended shadows. Significantly, Evans Shadow is cast against Wade, potentially implying either Evans's influence on Wade or overlap in their characters in relation to moral values, which in fact, turns out to be the case since Evans seemed tempted by bribes from Wade. Shadows are deployed particularly effectively to convey the hanging of Alex Potter from the Central Stair Chandelier in the. Hotel. While this approach may have been to satisfy censors at the time. It nonetheless heightens the dramatic and ominous effect of the interplay between light and dark. As butterfield reenters the bridal suite to inform Evans of Potter's death. The tight framing of the two men pulls out to include Wade the positioning of the three men again, carefully orchestrated to create a leading diagonal from the left lower corner of the frame. The image is replete with shadows of each man cast against the adjacent man perhaps suggesting that one can influence the other but also promoting a sense of Claustrophobia. Together with dramatic extra diabetic. The confines of the room heightens the film's Noir sensibilities. Equally the use of close ups, extreme close ups and extreme camera angles together with the intermittently exaggerated sound of the ticking clock accentuate. The intense atmosphere that each man seems to feel as the time approaches ten past three. Such intensity is signaled by Evans behavior in the form of angry outbursts these being mediated through extreme low angle and high angled camera positions and more rapid editing. Certainly another favored camera shot is close up with groups of either Wade's gang or the marshalls men often filled in a tightly framed composition. In one such seen the Marshall from Bisbee rides out to rescue the survivors of the butterfield stage hold up. We see him and his two men on their horses position so that the latter. Away from the camera, their hats positioned to create a diagonal. That is organized to create an effect of diminishing perspective. In fact, Davies seems to favor groups of three, for instance, Alison Her two sons. Otherwise characters often appear in two shots with the same confined framing and close up camera work deployed. This stylistic trait perhaps reflects Davies endorsement of community for Davies refuses to promote an extol individualism favouring characters who are integrated into a community is the use of close ups favors characters than Davies also incorporates a range of panoramic shots and crane shots to achieve landscape images typically constructed with maximum depth of. Full. tonal range and figures presented as miniaturized in the foreground of the frame. Mostly set against arid mountains. The images thus strive toward sublime rather than picturesque effect mobilized by the lands combination of starkness and beauty. One such scene features. Wade's gang traveling to Bisbee the setting compromise mountains that rise up in the background and the men riding diagonally right to left just as the camera descends and sweeps right to left from a crane shot to follow their line of travel. sequence. Again, displays the movement enabled by Davies use of cranes. And especially striking vista materializes when Evans Potter Wade arrive at contention the sequence filmed in the early morning with exposure set to create a high key effect. As butterfield joins the three men a panoramic shot positions the men to the far right of the frame affords a low level perspective of the town at dawn. The horizon also extremely low so that the men appear to be superimposed against the sky another stylistic trait of Davies. This propensity for landscape images presented to sublime effect, and therefore largely filmed in static or slow mode belies the film's average shot length of six point, four seconds, which is quite short for pre nineteen, sixty films. Davies deploys the same high key strategy when filming Alice's journey to contention as Alice travels onward, the lyricism and high keynotes, the landscape seem to correlate with the luminosity associated with her. White Hood clearly having Madonna like connotations. Conversely during the funeral of the coach driver killed by Wade the townscape of Bisbee assumes a dark and somber mood. The crude crosses of the makeshift cemetery starkly interspersed with Thin Upright Desert CACTI as if the land itself is reflecting the frame of mind its inhabitants. The style is Asian of the towns Meson San Draws attention to the strange emptiness of Bisbee in contention. Both towns are characterized by an extreme sparseness of population. And while narrative explained by Wade as the townsfolk getting out of the heat or directly to avoid the impending gunfight this barren quality arguably. The town's state of mourning. In a similar vein, the darkened gloomy interior of the Evans farmstead echoes, their dire financial circumstances. In other words, settings consistently mirror the disposition personality and situation of the characters. It is fair to suggest that R range of aesthetic features that indicate Davies. Exemplary filmmaker distinguishes three ten to Yuma. A propensity for rising crane shots, leading diagonals, broad tonality, wide depth of field framing devices, and Connecticut Cinematography Endow the film with a dynamism that reflects the characters inner psychology as well as their external experiences. At the same time certain qualities. The psychological dimensions of its beleaguered male protagonists together with the use of high contrast lighting, extreme camera angles, and pronounced shadows and associated doubling effects which imply ambiguous ED entities imbue the film with a new our sensibility. In a related way depictions of landscapes and townscapes which ranged from the lyrical to the sublime and somber enabled the meditation of the mood of an entire town or the aspirational characteristics of an individual. In presenting the frontier setting as austere and sublime and exploring its damaging effects on characters lives. The film serves to dismantle certain mythic aspects of the genre. The aesthetic accomplishment of three ten to Yuma speaks to the merits of the film that mediates meaningful cultural and historical messages through its distinctive visual style. Now it's time for our buzz from the back lot segments and although most westerns. By this time we're being produced in Color Dome Davies and Charles lutton junior the cinematographer opted to shoot this one in black and white Lawton used red filters on his lenses however to give the landscape and even more starkly parched look befitting the stories setting amid a lengthy drought. In casting the film dumber duties I hired actors from his previous two movies, Glenn Ford and Felicia Farr due to their work on these movies for forward quite used to the complex characters and themes that davies brought to the genre. Glenn Ford was originally offered the role of Dan Evans he refused and suggested himself for the role of Ben Wade. The theme song in the film is Sung by Frankie Laine well known for singing the theme songs to Westerns and for having such sincerity in his voice when doing. So it was because of his very familiar contributions to Westerns that Mel Brooks chose lane to sing the theme song for Blazing Saddles in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, four. The inside joke was that lane saying his heart out never realizing that the lyrics to that film where a spoof. And continuing the connections with blazing Saddles Henry Jones also appears in that film. In Two thousand twelve, the film was selected for preservation in the United States, National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being culturally historically and aesthetically significant I'd certainly say so and finally this film along with the equally allegorical high noon in one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two was the deciding factor in Howard? Hawks. Deciding to make Rio Bravo in nineteen fifty-nine a return to more optimistic lest revisionist westerns. That concludes our episode on three ten to Yuma. I would love to hear what you think of this classic movie must feel free to tweet at movie must spot email classic movie Musset G. Dot. com you can also learn more about the show on our website classic movie musts, Dot Com and you could please support the show on patriotic at Patriotair Dot com slash classic movie musts. Thank you to our Patriot producers Eleanor B Max on Re Pedro, Rien de Jonathan Bernie and Steven scofield remember episodes release every Friday on the podcast service of your choosing. Thank you so much for listening until the next episode, keep up with your classics.

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RTFP #987: Greg Cosell

Ross Tucker Football Podcast

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

RTFP #987: Greg Cosell

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All you have to do is re tweet this show is soon as Bri post, today's RTF podcast, re tweet it at RTF podcasts, or when I do it at roles Tucker NFL, or after Gregory tweets, it, whatever totally up to you. Then we can go, and we can say, you know, what else you don't else we got we've got Facebook. Facebook dot com slash Ross. Tucker and fell we've got the sponsor confirmation Email winner. Lot of good sponsors this week. Good sponsors up on the sponsor page over at Ross Tucker dot com, like seek which always presents every edition. Of the Ross Tucker football podcast, and which you can get ten dollars off. What's the already lowest ticket prices? And you know that using the code Tucker. Love it love it love it Greg Cosell. Let's dive into these games, Greg. Let's do it big Showtime. Greg. We were treated to two excellent excellent football games, which I think for a lot of us is all we can ask for overtime close hotly contested game. And I've got a bunch of specific questions for you. But I never wanna miss something that you noticed that stood out to you. That was really interesting. So why don't we start with that NFC championship game? Saints rams. I know you love this tragedy and the tactics. I know you also love to see, you know, how certain players perform what stood out to you. What what was especially interesting about the NFC championship game for you. Well, I'm going to go into the weeds a little bit here Ross, but you'll you'll understand it. And hopefully, I can explain it clearly enough of the the listening audience to understand it. But what really stood out comedic was the saints defensive front approach. To limit the Rams zone run game. And what they did. Normally as you know normally teams that play with four down linemen that are four three based lineup in gaps. They normally line up with what we call a one technique defensive tackle in between the center and the guard essentially and three technique defensive tackle in between enough garden enough tackle when you do that you're setting up angles for blocking in the zone run game. So what the saints did which I thought was great is they lined up with their detectives both as what we call two techniques head up on the guards. And that makes it really more difficult to create those sort of angle double teams that the zone run game really thrives on. And they really did a great job defending the run game. Because of that. That is interesting. And you know, what Greg that is? You're not able to tell that from the TV copy. Because no angle, you ain't guideline. It's hard to see that. Right. You. I can't see if the guy's a three or a two I or two or whatever I just for you know, Saudi what I'm speaking about. I know you do because you played a line. Yes. I do. And you're right. Because if that guy is head up, and is more or less to gap ING, it makes a double team and no much harder. Because he's just following the helmet of that guy in front of him. And just playing off of that guy. No matter what. So then. So then the backside guy in the double team has to go up earlier to the next level. But won't have the same type of angle he you know, he has and because there's no double team ever. They're also not going to get any any type of vertical push because that guy is going to be able to knock knock the one guy who's trying to get wide. You know, 'cause 'cause the first guys really trying to go through the armpit. But if he's not able to do it. He's gonna actually get knocked back a little bit. Right. So it's you know, that I was watching the tape, and then, you know, one of my guys here on the matchup show, who's who's a defensive coach has been a defensive coordinator, you know, in his when he was a college coach, and I said to him as I was watching me and said, God, I'm noticing this front and believe me, I don't know everything about fronts and everything about blocking schemes I'm not gonna pretend they do. But I asked him. I said, hey, here's what I'm noticing. And he happened to be watching what he'd seen it already. And he said, yeah. And I said give me the sort of all the tactical reasons you do that. And then Roger told me, and you know, I kind of say, well, yeah. It makes perfect sense. But that's what I noticed immediately. Watching the tape. That's that's really I and I had not heard that anywhere else. Which is why we love bringing you on anything else that jumped out to you Greg about the game. I mean, how 'bout how 'bout Jared Goff and his performance? You know, I thought it was a solid performance, obviously. Because he made some throws late in the game that I that's what people look for you know, I think that they did some some really nice things in the past game later in the game. And he also had that outside of structure play to Everett for I think thirty nine yards, which we do not expect from Goth. But you know, I really liked what they did their fourth quarter field goal drive. They had that that thirty three yard or to Joshua Reynolds, which was a beautifully designed to play. And and they really caught the saints defense. They just it was it was just a beautifully designed play and he was able to hit Reynolds. But but no Goth played effectively after sort of. I don't want to say struggled early. But he's a rhythm player. He's a timing rhythm somewhat programmed player and it needs to be presented to him. And you know, I thought as the game progressed. Sean McVeigh settled in as well when he saw what was happening defensively, and he was also able to to do a good job presenting it to Gough one of the things that jumps out to me about the game. Is you know, you think so much about girly and Brandin cooks, Greg. But here we are in the NFC championship game Gerald efforts making plays. Josh Reynolds, making plays Tyler, hey, baby. Making a bunch of play C, J Anderson. I mean, we always say the ultimate team sport. But it really was cool to see how golf and McVeigh. We're able to utilize all these other guys that seemingly don't get a whole lot of attention. Well, keep in mind Reynolds has been starting since what week eleven because I think Cup got hurt we ten and Reynolds has thirty some odd catches. So I'm not suggesting he's a great receiver or but I mean, he's played. And you know, he's Pete blinds up either in the slot or or. Sometimes outside depending on what they wanna do formation only. And he's he's made some place for them. He's he's a different receiver then Cooper Cup. And I think that they do miss Cup in some ways for what he does inside. And he was a great regret route runner. I went through so much ram stuff. These last two days that I I'm seeing it all on my mind. But so Reynolds is different. He's a longer athlete. He's a more fluid athlete. You know, he's and so therefore the routes that they run with Reynolds are different than the ones they run with Cooper Cup. But that's good coaching. One of the other things out to me. Greg is just the performance of the Rams defensive line. I hold the saints off into in high regard. But Aaron Donald and Dhamma consumer Fowler, obviously made up just thought to its play cranky is really stepped up. Yeah. Sues been great two weeks in a row. He was dominant at times versus the saints. And and you know, they moved him around Ross, which is really interesting. I mean, he plays nose tackle and D end in the base. He plays D tackle Indian and the sub fronts. There are times. He lines up as a wide nine. You know, the other thing that stood out on that side of the ball is when they when they're in their sub fronts. I think on every snap, but one because the center max was never covered when when the Rams were in their sub fronts. So I think on every snap. But one in the entire game on sub front snaps when they passed. I'm talking about Unger slid as the uncovered offensive lineman to Donald side. So that also created one on ones on the other side. And you know, there were times they were able to get pressure that way. Yeah. I like how they move through around. And some of the Donald does against double teams. And how quick he is off the ball. It's it's really incredible. I I guess the last question I have about this saints Rams matchup. You mentioned what the saints did defensively to try to take away the zone blocking scheme. What about what the Rams did defensively to try to take away? Michael thomas? You know? I don't think they did. I mean, there were a couple of things they did. But I don't think it was anything dramatic. They did not match up to you know, everybody thought to leave would match up. They did not match up to lead played left corner. Peters played right corner. You know, I think that their approach on Dr routes and shallow crossers. They did a couple of things they they cut him with the dropping safety. They played one robbery times. They would play underneath lurk defender. So they did those three things to try to take away the in breaking routes. He's not a vertical guy for the most part Thomas. So you don't normally see him running by people. So you know, it was the numbers indicate obviously he was not a big factor in the game. But I don't think they built their game plan approach to take him away. I think they just did the kinds of things that that you do you know that? That helped take them away. But it wasn't for instance. And we'll get to this. It wasn't for instance, where the patriots did with tyreek hill. Yeah. Well, and that's that leads me to the next game. And that's exactly where I wanted to go. I guess before we get to the tyreek hill thing though. What else I mean? Maybe this is it, but what jumped out to you about the chiefs and the patriots. Well, two things the general points would be the run game and the patriots and what Bella chick did to play. Tyreek hill and Travis Kelsey, those two things jumped off the film. I love it. And those are two things I wanted to hit you on. Let's start with the tyreek kill and Travis Kelsey point. Well, here's what they did. I mean, it's brilliant. I mean, it's classical check, it doesn't seem brilliant. You know after the fact because you go, that's really smart. Well, here's what they did. They essentially they doubled hill on almost every play. Okay. And they took arguably their worst corners Jones and crossing. They matched him up them on hill with mccourty double help over the top. So instead of taking, you know, they're they're better corners and putting them on hill and wasting it basically they put their worst corners Jones and crossing and then had the double over the top that was one part of the equation. Okay. The second part of the equation was what they did with Travis Kelsey. He put a corner on him in man-to-man that he put Jackson the corner Jackson the rookie corner from Maryland. Who over the last part of the season has essentially been an outside starting. Corner. Played Travis Kelsey man to man, you know, pretty much all game. They made an adjustment late in the fourth quarter when they moved Jackson onto Watkins. And and I'm trying to remember who they put on Kelsey, but they made that adjustment late in the game. And he'll more right than they were on Kelsey open Gilmore on Kelsey and Jackson on what Watkins on. I think on the last two cheese possessions. But for the most part it was Jackson on Kelsey and doubling hill on every play. So that leads always leads me to this question, Greg because it made a lot of sense now. I mean the chiefs still scored thirty one points in the second half. But the way I look at it is because they took away hill and to a lesser extent Kelsey that chiefs had to adjust and it took him almost a whole half to really adjust. And by the time, they figured out, you know, they still scored thirty one points. But it wasn't enough. I guess my question is why do you think like, for example? And maybe you don't have a good answer to this. But third and ten in overtime. Why are the chiefs not doubling Julian Edelman or rob gronkowski? Right. Like, you see what the patriots did to tie rekindle and grunk? I mean, tyreek hill and Kelsey. It would stand to reason to me that you do something similar if you're the chiefs especia-. Really third and ten these money downs when you know, Brady wants to go to element or gronk. Well, I don't have an answer for that. And maybe the answer that Danny Reid had wasn't the right one either because Bob sun's not there anymore. So I don't have an answer for that. I can only tell you what they did. Because there's got to be. There's gotta be some negatives to it. Right. I mean, what are the negatives of doing that? You're just then you're totally man to man on Chris HOGAN is other guys. And maybe they didn't think that maybe they didn't like those matchups. Yeah. I mean, if you're going to double then you it's like what the patriots did they essentially because of what they did with McCorvey were telling all their other men defenders that they're playing zero man you have no health anywhere because the single high posts safety is playing hill. So you know, there's some risk to that for sure because they're now is no help. So some coaches aren't comfortable with that. That's a philosophical issue. You know, it's easy for us as a fan to say, oh, why don't you do that, particularly when you see the result? And it's always easy to. Respond to the result. But then you're maybe you feel that the risks. It presents are worse. And they know their players better than we do. But you're one hundred percent, right. You end up almost playing zero man if you're going to double like that. And I Bob Sutton, did not choose to do that. Now, keep in mind too. With the exception of one play on that final drive where there was confusion. It was the first third and ten the motion to stack caused coverage confusion with Nelson fuller, but the other two plays on third and long were just really good throws that beat good. Pretty good man coverage. You know? So it's you know, it's matchup football. You know? That's we talk about that. All the time Ross, it's matchup football. It's the name of the show the NFL show on ESPN and ESPN two. And you're right. They were confused on the first one edleman second one. It just looked like it was a good throw. And the guy just couldn't couldn't stay with him. And I can't remember who it was. It was covering them. Might have been the Turkey. Andrea ward, or whatever the guy's name is. No, no. I don't think it was. But but it might have been fuller. But I can't really, you know, I don't wanna say it was there. But I mean, then the gronkowski wind. It was you know, they stayed detached from the formation. He threw it was just your basic slant. Flat to the boundary gronkowski ran the Slann versus berry. I mean, you know, Eric berry is arguably one of the three best safeties in the league. And you know, you're putting him out there on gronk, you know, that's man-to-man. So let's get to the the patriots running game though. Because that was one of the things that sit out to you about the game that you wanted to talk about what what did you what did you like, or what did you think was interesting there? Well, the diversity of run game is really over this last month or so has been really fun to watch. I mean, this was just their first down run game on their opening possession. Okay. And I'm just gonna say what the runs were. You know, again, I I know some people will know some won't, but I'm trying to make the point about the multiplicity of the run. Game. This was on their first possession. Okay. Not the whole game their first possession. And these were all I down runs. I so lead week at a twenty one personnel counter out of twenty two personnel outside zone out of twenty two personnel. I so lead strong out of twenty one personnel zone. Counter out of eleven inside zone lead out of twenty one outside zone out of eleven that was on the first series just on the first downs. I think I gave you six different runs. I mean, the first of the multiplicity they're run game has really been a joy to watch. So interesting too. Because in a league were more and more teams are throwing the ball on first down. They ran the ball a lot on first down in the game. And you know, so many teams now everything's out of spread man. They had a lot of well, you know, a tight end fullback at the point that I mean, you mind. Ehler things and Sony. Michelle had two hundred nine carries. Okay. This regular season the play-offs, it's it's the same deal but half of those two hundred nine runs one hundred and four hundred km had of twenty one personnel. That's unheard of in the NFL today. Unheard of. That's a great point. He and Devlin does a terrific job. What incredible story he has that I've told on the show multiple times, he's a really good blind. Now one thing to keep in mind. And it'll be interesting to see and this just a very quick point about the Super Bowl is just we'll get to this. And we'll talk much more next week. But literally the fullback Devlin leads the play almost one hundred percent of the time. So, you know, well, the patriots self scout that because the Rams will will based on film study will feel that they can key the fullback whether he's in the strong, whether he's in the straight is strong or weak. I know that that's where the ball's going. So, but we know Bella checks also really good at that kind of self scouting. So we'll see what happens. Greg. We'll talk about this next week, of course, in depth. But just initial thoughts on Super Bowl. Just it's just the first thing that comes your mind when you think about it. No, I'm not there's so many things Ross you should see all these notes I've made for just talking points because I know I'm going to be on radio road next week in Atlanta chatting about you know, the game. I you know, one thing that both teams I think are really good at. I'm just going to throw this out as an initial point is the use of tempo. And I think that's going to be a big factor in this game just to to get the defenses totally static and the teams feeling in that they can attacked static defined defensive looks. Well, I can't wait to talk about it with you, Greg. You are the man thanks so much for the time as always appreciate it. Russ. Thank you. I love that dude. And I'm already very very excited about talking to him next week about the Super Bowl and really diving into it. It should be epic speaking, by the way of things I'm really excited about I know, I've told you guys about this before. But I actually think that this could be an epic Valentine's Day gift epoch? And I'm talking about my front page story dot com. Remember, this is the business local business here where I live that. I invested a little bit of money into because I really believe in it. 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She will cry tears of joy. And I'm giving you a heads up because it takes him. Some time takes are different writers some time to actually chat with you interview. You and then write the story so get in on it on the front end. My. Front page story dot com. My front page story dot com. It will be the best Valentine's Day gift. She has ever gotten. Jeez. I Ross could morning so wide receiver news to get to today. Start with Larry FitzGerald resigned with the cardinals one year fifteen point eight five million dollars for a sixteenth season. Right. And I've also seen some reports where it's just one year eleven million base salary, which is true. But he also getting a four point eight five million dollar signing bonus. I don't know where the differences there. I guess Larry FitzGerald. I don't know. Maybe it's depending on what information people one out. But he's he just wants people to know about the lever. Somebody just wants people know about the eleven million dollar salary same as the last couple of years, which is his jersey number. But evidently, he's getting close to fifteen or close to sixteen million dollars. I think this is really interesting. I read a whole story about this Bri, which is the pros and cons of a guy like Larry material. And I wrote this on Twitter yesterday at ROY. Ross Tucker NFL, by the way, this is what I thought he was probably signing for about eleven million five million more definitely helps for sure. But I think the. I think the balance sheet if you will between the pros and cons of him playing. This year is more interesting than maybe other people do and you probably don't feel this way, unless you've played, and you have the pain, and you know, the risk that you take every time you go out there. And you have the concerns about CTE, and how it will affect you and the rest of your life like I do so on the one slide side of the ledger for Larry FitzGerald is you know, he gets in his case. This is a lot of money. He gets almost sixteen million dollars to play and he loves to play really loves football, right on the other side of the ledger. You've got essentially no chance to go to the Super Bowl. He's not really I mean, I guess he could get second all time and catches. He's already there in yards. So there was a milestone there. But on the other side, you've got lifelong physical damage the ability to have significant. Injury risk in terms of a life altering injury. You've got the concerned he's actually a very physical receiver. He does take shots. He does block. And he's he's made one hundred sixty three million dollars from the cardinal so far. So I guess my point is this I think and he's got a couple of kids the further I get removed from playing. The more. A team would have to pay me to play. In other words. If someone offered me the most I ever gotten one year, and you guys can look it up. It's one point one million dollars. It was two thousand four right? I mainly made the minimums whatever, but that was the year where I made more than the minimum guy signing bonus. And I got my playing time bonus PLA, blah, blah, but. It depends on a lot of factors. But I wouldn't I wouldn't play football for that. I I wouldn't play another year for that. Because I already know how my backfield and my knee feels I know how important my daughters are to me. And I also know that there's some risk with the Steph, and they can cut and stuff, and I would not want to go back out there and take more hits to the head. And that's a lot of money, and I would love to have that much. It's a lot more money than I make now that's for sure. But at the end of the day, I you know, we have enough money to pay for food or house, and whatever I I just that risk would not be worth it to me. So I think I just think it's an interesting thing. And I feel like the value. I provide you guys a lot other than my rugged good looks which is clearly a big reason why you guys listen to an audio only podcast. But also, my personality is I can tell you the perspective of a former player at least one former player, and I I wouldn't play like, I definitely wouldn't play for the minimum, and I wouldn't play it would have to be really really life altering money. I don't know what that is. But. And that's different for different people, by the way. But that's just kind of how I would look at it at this point in my life. Meanwhile, the Pro Bowl Steelers players like marquees pouncey and juju Smith Schuster said they'd welcome. Antonio Brown back. Right. I don't know, man. I mean, I always callers to Sirius XM radio or whatever. And they say they're just need to talk it out. Just get to go. The phone. Gotta tell him guys. You know, many of those conversations they've already had you know, how many times they've I mean he's had like five or six different weird incidents last year. He's a grown, man. He's thirty years old. He's he's not really gonna change. Now, guys. Like, it's not like one conversation will just change everything. So I I hear what pouncey and sh Smith Schuster saying. But let me also say this. What are they gonna say? Right. Are they going to be the guy that's publicly saying we don't wanna Tonio Brownback? No, no. They did express frustration with Leon bell not showing up for the opener. But they didn't say they didn't want him back so on some level where they're going to say. It's mother. Notable news include saints cornerback PJ Williams got arrested for euro DUI. I think it was actually a DWI and the jets hiring Dowell loggains says there OC. Yeah. I guess it just depends on the state and Pennsylvania to DUI in Louisiana's DWI. I don't know the rules. I think DWI's a more. I don't say more intense. But like one step up like more serious. Not that Dwight he's not serious enough. Really? I believe, but I'm not sure. Oh, maybe you're right. I thought it was just different states. Call a different one is driving under the influence and one's driving. While intoxicated. I think you are. I think w is more serious of an offense. But I could be wrong. Okay. I I didn't know that you might be right. Very possible. It happens every once in a while. So not good for PJ Williams who actually bounced back from a bad start to have a pretty good year. Clearly, that's not what you're looking for. If you're PJ Williams in kind of makes it bad week even worse, right? Then you've got Dowell loggains who, you know. He's been a lot of places Chicago memories in Cleveland and Johnny Manziel texted him. Let's. Wreck this league. They sure as heck wreck the Browns when they were there. That's for sure. I guess I look at it. And just. You'd have to point to me and say that was when Dowell loggains really did a good job because I don't remember that ever really being the case. I also don't remember ever being able to get two tickets to the Rams and the patriots in the big game by just going signing up for an account somewhere. Like, are you kidding? But online dot AG using the promo code big game. Pretty awesome. Right. I mean, you get round trip flight hotel VIP tailgate party tickets to the big game for you and a guest pretty cool. Rams patriots. All you have to do is go to bed online dot AG and use the promo code big game. Wanted to ask in NFL player question will here's your genius? It's time to ask Ross. So the Email address is Ross at Ross Tucker dot com, again Ross at Ross Tucker dot com. Most of you already know the drill you take advantage of any of our sponsors. Whether it's bed online or heck, I'll even throw my front page story in there. If you go ahead and get on my front page story. You can ask me question. Why not? And certainly if you just make sure that all your Amazon purchases are through our landing page that you can access on the homepage Ross Tucker dot com or just reading and reviewing the show on apple podcasts. Basically, if you contribute to the show and help us try to grow in any way, we wanna reward you. We don't want it to be like you just give us on them. We don't give anything we want to reward you for that. Because you deserve it. So that's the deal. If you do anything, we'll do some for you, including read and respond to your Email. Question. What do you got bri-? Hey Ross it is almost my second favorite time of year the off season in the off season. We can all imagine the possibilities are teams drastically improving and winning the Super Bowl during the preseason this year. I heard a few people mention that they felt some teams look bad in the preseason because they were holding back and not showing their full potential in the while. I understand you might not wanna show your entire playbook. I find it hard to believe you could ask professional players give half effort, and then ask them to turn around and give full effort a few weeks later. Have you ever experienced this in your playing career? Thanks to both of you. Keep up the great work in this guy. He's got the got a pretty cool name, Brian. His name is Brian. His name's Brian Tucker. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, one part of that's clearly cooler than the other. I mean, why would you to be Brian? There's a million Brian's in the world isn't the point of a name to distinguish you from other people. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a good name Bryant. I was trying to get a react. Matty. Are you paying attention? Or are you just not have a good comeback there? I just didn't have a good comeback. They're okay. Okay. Fair enough fair enough. So you've got gotta have it. Right, Brian Tucker. You got the second half. Right. You know what? You know, what it would be even better name than Brian Tucker would be Tucker, Brian Tucker. Brian would be would be better. Anyway, nobody holds anything back in the preseason. In terms of the players. I mean, maybe they're not flying down the field to dive in and be the second or third guy in a pile on defense or even on offense, you know to come in. But what they mean is they're talking about game planning and the playbook. They're really talking about or utilization of players and all that's true, Brian. It's a good question. But it's not the players effort. It's the game plan part of it. So good question. I like it. And I really like tomorrow's guest. You guys are going to enjoy it, by the way, yesterday's Tennessee. Feast the mock draft way too early twenty nineteen mock draft with field Yates on the Fancy Feast that was epic. 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Chapter 3: The Cold War creeps

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Chapter 3: The Cold War creeps

"Previously on accused. I still think suicide. I'd say just looked like hell. I mean it just like Equa look down at Hale and there was a big hole in the ground tow look like open red cone like Lava Abba Volcano. Here's that we had wanted to go after workman's all to a person. Everyone said not suicide. Welcome to accused the mysterious death of David box commando hunt Lisa Crawford lived in a rented house in Ross Ohio across the street from the Fernald uranium processing plant like a lot of people in the area. She wasn't quite sure what that big complex complex across the street actually produced and she didn't worry about it either and then one day she came home and learned that a man had been poking around the water well in her backyard. Hard the next thing Lisa knew she was being told that she her husband and her young son had all been drinking contaminated water. We were. We were angry. We will mad. How dare you and little by little more? Information is coming out. Lisa got pissed and stayed pissed for for years she helped create a community group of equally piss neighbors and she became a thorn in the side of every public official she encountered they are like. Oh Oh you can drink the water. The water won't hurt you. So I took a jug of water and five Solo Cups Red Solo Cups which means a lot now. They didn't mean anything back then and I just said you know if we can drink. Here's your cop I poured nobody would drink it. When you're like what they don't drink it? Then why the hell should I give it to my kid. The case at the center of this season might be a mystery but one thing is certain about Fernald it has a body count of more than one and this episode will explore. How government fought to keep that a secret wedding planning? Sounds like a lot of fun until you dig in and try to do it yourself. I learned that the hard way a few years ago but if I had known about Zola planning my wedding would have been a whole lot easier. 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A. dot com slash accused to build your free wedding website and get fifty dollars towards your registry Zola Dot com slash slash accused. David Boxes Family was still reeling from the news that he vanished one night during his shift they had seen in the photos of bone fragments remnants of metal but they had also heard the rumors that he'd scaled the fence and they held out. Hope he'd soon come home. The uncertainty was torture then in December nineteen eighty-four about five months after David Slash shift. They started carded reading bizarre stories about uranium leaks in both the air and the ground around the uranium processing plant where he worked well what happened to their father. Father Barely made a blip in the news stories about for nod. Were about to explode. The plant would soon be in the New York Times and on the cover of Time magazine. This story caught the attention of local journalists as well. My name is John Hughes. I got my undergraduate degree in political science and Economics Went back later and got my master's journalism I've been a working journalist and educator since nineteen sixty seven. This is John. John Hughes recorded for an oral history in two thousand one. He teaches photojournalism at the University of Cincinnati in the late nineteen eighties. His stark photographs photographs of Fernald were featured alongside poetry and a book called pieces of for nod. I don't think I knew about for all tell there were problems. I can't recall ever hearing about it in a in in casual conversation or even with people who had had concerns about social issues so it must have been the mid eighties eighty-five somewhere in there. The we're made aware of some problems and it was at that time that I drove out there with no antenna other than just try to find out where this place is Hughes had moved to Cincinnati. It's natty in the early nineteen seventies and was one of the many who assumed for an old was a feed plant because of the feed plants through me and then you saw all the water tower. That was checkerboard. Like Ralston. PURINA was a reasonable conclusion to draw. He says and here you are in a rural Wpro community where you might expect to find what anyone could make a conclusion of feed plant. That had something to do with the agricultural or culture business so very disarming thanking of how really unusual this place is in the context of being what it what it is purported to be it seems so mundane yet it seems so heave all at the same time or potentially evil whether this Purina misdirect was meant to trick residents or Russians. It's hard now to say what we do I know is that the plant was built in nineteen fifty one about six years after the. US Drop to horribly effective atomic bombs on Japan to end the Second World War four. After a brief recovery period following that show of force the arms race was officially underway. Everyone wanted nuclear weapons and and lots of countries eventually succeeded in getting them. Great Britain France China and of course the Soviet Union when the fornell plant it was built. It wasn't a secret newspaper stories from nineteen fifty one cover its construction and it wasn't cloaked dog food factory either when when story in the enquirer began quote construction of the Atomic Energy Commission installation at Fernald Ohio which is destined to play a vital role. In the nation's atomic comic energy program in peace or war is getting into high gear and quote later in the story. It's explained that the thirty million dollars site sprawling across thousand fifty acres would quote refined uranium. Ore but Kuenssberg was one of the plants earliest employees ace. He told us you have to turn back the clock to nine thousand nine hundred fifty four when I graduated from high school and for an all plant was being built and that it was the buzz in the city. You know people. They're building the new bomb planted a certain and I did well in Chemistry and I applied for a job and was hired as a laptop. That was the beginning of a more than fifty year career. Getting hired at for Nolde was a big deal. The place paid well and it had a coop program so recent high school grads ads. Like Kiss Bird could work at the plant while getting their college degrees at the University of Cincinnati Kiss birds studied engineering for five years then left for for a two year stint in graduate school and it just happened that when I was finish their opening and I said well I like it and been there ever says it might be tough to imagine now but back in the nineteen fifties working at a nuclear plant. Can't was seen not just as a fine job but as an act of patriotism. The Cold War was very real and at the time the US was pretty united and the bad guys. Soviet Union was generally called the enemy. The end of World War Two was the I and knock on wood so far only time. A country used atomic weapons until then the average American had only read about test sites after the bombs exploded news stories and photos tried to convey the devastation. One Associated Press Story said here Shima was completely -pletely destroyed and the dead too numerous to count practically all living things. Human and animal were literally seared to death. The story story read another story said the second bomb blew thirty percent of Nagasaki from the map. Japan was an enemy. One that had bombed Pearl Harbor. Even so Americans cheered these headlines that might sound callous but those bombs ended the war which had been the deadliest in history story. eighty-five million casualties are attributed to it. About four hundred. Twenty thousand Americans died. The end of this war was welcome. Welcome even if it meant wiping cities off the planet but as the dust settled public opinion began to shift other countries started developing similar weapons. People began to panic as they realize that. If there's ever a third World War it'll likely be nuclear. which makes Bert the turtle? All the more absurd. He did what we all month to. You knew food. This was a cartoon teacher showed kids at school. The goal was no doubt to teach children without panicking taking them. But it was about is unsettling as it would be to watch Barney the dinosaur talking about school shootings parents sent their kids off to school and the kids came home. Terrified from duck and cover drills the atomic bomb flash could burn you worse than a terrible sunburn especially where you are not covered people. People who had the means bought or built fallout shelters. They had seen photos of leveled cities of skeletons littering the ground. The skin and muscle burned clean from the bones. Skin had melted off of children. It's one thing to know. Your country was the first to use in Armageddon device to end a war. It's another thing entirely to realize. Everyone else is catching up to you. Then the Soviets tested a fifty eight megaton bomb in one thousand nine hundred sixty he won nicknamed the SAR Bomba. It was then and remains today. The most powerful man made explosion in history. According into the Atomic Heritage Foundation the blast annihilated buildings thirty four miles away from ground zero. This explosion was so big that if you took hero Shema Nagasaki and combine them. You still wouldn't come close to it when news spread about this test. People were petrified. Sure fide they'd been practicing duck and cover. How is hiding under your school? Deaths going to protect you from fifty Megaton bomb accused sponsored by policy genius. 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There's was a political movement took root I as an anti-nuclear protests that shifted in the mid nineteen sixties two opposing US involvement in the Vietnam War. The peace sign that came to symbolize opposition Vietnam actually debuted as a symbol for the United Kingdom's campaign for Nuclear Disarmament so by the nineteen seventies. Wendy's chic as it once. been to work at a nuclear weapons plant for knowledge. Workers signed documents promising not to talk about their jobs. Under penalty of Law Uh Cincinnati newspaper coverage lessened to dropping from an average of one hundred and fifty news stories year. To a couple of dozen to be clear. I heard the stories written. Didn't hide the plants purpose. One headline in the Akron Beacon Journal read quote nuclear waste at Ohio plant manages to keep low profile and quote. People who paid attention could find out what happened at for an old but let's face it attention spans weren't much better in the nineteen eighty s and then they ar today with for non Lang Low people sort of forgot about it. Even people like Lisa Crawford who in Nineteen eighty-four lived across the street in a house. She rented with her husband and their seven year old son and the funny thing is I had applied for a job here and they never called. Gosh I could go right across the street and go to work so I was a secretary for years. We interviewed lease at the fernald preserve on a beautiful summer day. That's why you hear. Some bird sounds in the background. Lisa assist the plant was as mysterious as it was sprawling. She knew it was the area's largest employer and she knew paid well. What is this place what are they? Nobody knew what it was what they did nothing. The neighbors all thought it was a Purina Dog Chow plant when you applied. What did you think they did? I wasn't sure EXAC- my husband said they always called it the atomic plant. And you think what's fat you know. We're young we don't know and the big sign out at the end of the driveway said feed materials production center. It had a red and white checkerboard thing in the corner her and it also had a little Dutch boy paint thing in the corner. Which Kinda like people thought you know? It's a feed place you know. We're we're we don't know the the jobs at Fernald were sought after trades folk like David. Box lured by decent paychecks. We have David's employment records which show he had been given several races over the years his base pay when he disappeared was about twenty two thousand dollars a year or fifty four thousand in today's money an ear and a fair bit of overtime on top of that beyond the pay. There was a sense of patriotism that came with a career. There's something kind of romantic pick about working a job meant to help safeguard your country. Lisa never heard back about her job application but for now called still became a huge part of her life in short order so then all of a sudden the guy who owned our property came and said well they've been tested wells and you're well as one of the contaminated limited wells right away. You know you think Gosh I've got a child and you know what does this mean you don't we don't know what uranium is we don't know what milligrams is an all this. This is stuff that none of us know. It turned out that the wells in the area were routinely tested by the company for Uranium contamination homeowners. I were alerted. But we wasn't a homeowner. She was a renter when her landlord told her that her well tested positive. She looked at her son and in freak out. Her landlord said she shouldn't worry that the contamination was minor. But she wasn't about to take his word for it. She called the Ohio Environmental Memento Protection Agency and the Ohio Department of Health and demanded they each test the well and give her second opinions they each did and gave her to entirely contradictory contradictory opinions. So the EPA letter came back pretty quick and said find another source of drinking water and had the The results and you know there were strontium ninety there was uranium and they were like finding another source of drinking water so we started buying bottled water. You know you you do all that stuff how you feel when you get that letter because you feel really angry and you feel really like Oh my God what have I done what have I bought. My little boys voiced play in a swimming pool there. You'll get a shower every day. You wash your clothes every day. You know every time you get shower. You put your kid in the bathtub. You think God God what have I done. The Ohio Department of Health Letter came back and said Oh it's fine it won't hurt you. You can drink it. So which. Which one do you pick? I picked. EPA Ladder and we let the people who owned the property. Know that you know you you gotta do something you gotTa provide water and we gotta get the Hell Outta here. Graham Mitchell was Lisa's main contact at the Ohio. EPA He didn't know much about out for knowledge until his boss approached him in late. Nineteen eighty-four to check out some rumblings about issues in the area. That's how I got involved and so oh by eighty five. I was sampling. Lisa Crawford's groundwater well and a whole bunch of other wells in that area. Several wells were contaminated but Lisa's case with special for a specific reason so that situation was kind of bizarre in that set Lisa. Lisa's wells contaminated. Who knows for how long wrong but some years I'm sure and the we knew it? And they told the landowner it was renting the property. They told the land owner and then they either they or the landowner never told her. I don't know the exact times or dates that that happened. But I know that that's the case at least will probably give you more details on that. It's my understanding that that that that she was a renter a helped her footing because other ones like the homeowners had been told and kind of dismissed it but she she wasn't given the opportunity to dismiss it because she was never told right so over Lisa had been set to move anyway soon because she and her husband were building living their dream home problem was they were building it just a mile down the road there for an all. The worries were slightly lessened but not a race by the move Lisa. He says stayed angry and stayed. Vocal officials said she was overreacting that her water was fine to drink. That's when she filled Red Solo cups from her well and offered them up at a public meeting. No one was willing to drink. Lisa had never dealt with reporters before but she quickly learned how to keep a story the headlines. I became the media darling which I'd never done before and I mean every day it was an interview or something. She's not exaggerating about her media. Darling role when I dug through Archive newspaper stories looking for Lisa and Fernald mentioned together I found her quoted needed more than seven hundred times and that's just in Ohio multiple. TV New shows featured or to the community groups she helped create was called fresh rush an acronym for for all residents for environmental safety and health. Fresh had a lot of numbers but LISA ended up being the face of the organization and she felt it was her job her duty to keep a spotlight on Fernald. Not just for her kid before. Everyone's kids she took it upon herself itself to learn everything she could about the plant. Its purpose and its owners and God. They hated us they litter. I mean. They literally hated us and they would like yeah. You can't come in nothing very little information. Here's what she learned for. An auld was not and had never ever been a feed production company like so many of her neighbors thought it was a uranium processing plant owned and operated by the US Department of Energy a federal agency. If you picture this tale as one thousand nine hundred movie deal we officials would definitely be the bad guys. I asked Lisa so so. Is it fair to say that the government lied to people here in the early years absolutely. Oh Yeah wasn't sure at that was fair. It's a fair I think is very fair absolutely. Here's how they lied. And not if you've watched the recent. HBO Series Chernobyl Parts. Parts of this will sound familiar. It's the same era the same industry in some of the same FIBS albeit told by different government. I the DOE insisted insisted that the plant was totally safe. Yes uranium was refined there but the radioactivity exposure was minimal Weldon Adam's then for an consistent center manager was quoted in Nineteen eighty-three as saying quote. You could sit on an ingot of uranium and probably. Nothing would happen you. You wouldn't want to sit on a gram of radium and quote it's true that the effects of radium are far more immediate and severe than uranium. So in that way. Adams's is partly right. You wouldn't WanNa sit on radium but uranium is in danger free. You've no doubt heard about Marie Curie who did tons of experiments this with radium and polonium. Those are far more radioactive and at first they got way more attention because they were more exciting than uranium jury. Jury had no idea initially. Just how dangerous these things were though she would carry vials of the stuff in her lab coat. Pockets radium seemed really cool. I mean it could glow in the dark some watchmakers in the one thousand nine hundred hired teenage girls to paint the watch numbers with with radium those so called radium. Girls would use their mouths to bring the paintbrushes to a fine point. The girls started dying in the nineteen twenties. These some of the girls literally fell apart as they died as in their jawbones crumbled in their own. Hands the radium having displaced the calcium in in their bones. Polonium was so dangerous that we've never found much of a use for it. Aside from eliminating static electricity and machines and textile style meals and makes a hell of a poison. Though in two thousand six it was used to kill a Russian defector journalists named Alexander Litvinenko Who'd been a fierce critic of the Kremlin a public inquiry later found that now President Vladimir Putin had likely ordered the assassination which took weeks and was painful? Here's Stephanie Malin in associate professor of environmental sociology from Colorado State University. who sounds it's a little breathy? Because I caught her rushing around after class in a nutshell. Uranium is the first end of the nuclear fuel cycle again. So it's kind of invisible to most of us. We tend to think of nuclear weapons and nuclear power separate from Graham Right. But it's it's basically part of Kernigan or it's the heaviest elements it's obviously naturally radioactive and until about the late thirty s it was just kind of discarded discarded because it was a really understood that it was valuable along with him. We don't use radium polonium much anymore but uranium is another matter after it became a Cold War commodity because it not only was radioactive. But it was what's called fissionable. Nuclear Vision is when in an atom splits into that releases energy that energy can be used for all sorts of scary bomb related purposes. But also some unless scary ones like creating nuclear fuel to power submarines or aircraft carriers a fun fact from the world. Nuclear Association about eleven percent of the world's electricity is generated from uranium in nuclear reactors twenty percent of the United States electricity. It comes from the nearly one hundred reactors operating here. Uranium is less radioactive than the stuff curie studied it would take higher doses or or longer term exposure. For someone to get sick. You might feel and seemed fine for years. Even decades but prolonged exposure could be deadly. Only the government knew this by the nineteen fifties. They knew because uranium miners had higher rates of lung. Renal Diseases Pretty issue about is it's caused a lot of environmental justice and health issues in that even though our government knew that there are dangers that it's not something that folks who worked in the minds or worked in the mills in the forties fifties were notified about. We Know David was at least aware of some safety issues at Bernal because his former co workers say he was quick to tell them about hot spots they should avoid as Harry easterling told unsolved mysteries. They was a fairly fairly quiet guy. But if you worked on job and say it was high radiation level. David Tell you so you know that particular dust collector is fairly radioactive so watch yourself for that. POMP has a certain kind of acid in it. So be careful when you work on his kids. Wonder was David worried enough about plant safety to threaten atten sounding an alarm excuses. Quick break the episode. You're listening to now was released already on our patron page at Patriotair Dot com slash accused. You can get early ad free episodes there as well as bonus episodes behind the scenes beans peaks. QNA sessions and even brand new crime in journalism. podcast if you like what we do here consider joining us over there for this episode were releasing releasing an interview with author. Kate more whose book the radium girls. The dark story of America's Shining Women helped me in my research for the season again for this is content and more supportive set patriot dot com slash accused. Ben Kaufmann was a reporter at the end choir in the nineteen seventies and eighties. He eventually covered for GNARLED. Learning all about the hunks of uranium they produce called billets. He said that when he started started I had no clue that there was a problem out there in those days. When you took a tour you got the car the Comic Comic Book Your Friend The atom and they told you the most dangerous thing with all that Uranium was that if one of those billets fell on your foot you would break it and it would. He didn't know the dangers at first but he at least knew what the plant was supposed to do. Because I was smart but because the enquirer had wonderful library library and clippings and I went to look up fern all it said. Oh this is the place. They're opening in a building as part of the Cold War nuclear weapons weapons program To refine uranium ore into metal uranium to be used in weapons. There was no secret at the time. mm-hmm but over the years a cult of secrecy had grown up. And I think we probably call it willful ignorance to the inquirer covered small-scale news stories related to Fernald up until Nineteen eighty-four. There would be a headline here or there about job. Promotions or environmental mental testing or other barely newsworthy. Happenings occasionally something. More foreboding would hit the paper Lake in nineteen seventy one when a resident complained about how a stream near for Nault he crossed daily on route. To work. Wasn't crystal clear like it used to be. He said quote now. There is often vince. Some substances coating the banks in the liquid flowing it ought to be water but looks more like milk and quote. He spelled out that the change happened. After the site became an atomic plant like most journalists Kaufman had more than one beat one of which was covering courts his first real. Oh story about Fernald ran in February. Nineteen eighty-four four months before David box disappeared. That story was about a woman who filed a lawsuit against against national lead of Ohio. Being the company that ran the plant for contributing to her husband's cancer death. The man who died was Augusta's Abbott He started working at Fernald when it opened and still work there when he died in nineteen eighty two his widow. Nancy sued an Elo for two point. Eight five million dollars saying that L. O.. Knew the dangers of uranium but didn't warn workers she was at least the second widow to file a suit blaming wing for nod for husband's death. The other involved a truck driver named framing Edwards in both suits. The news stories were brief and never for followed up. Despite my attempts I haven't yet found the outcome of either one now. radio-activity has benefits x-rays this are electromagnetic. Radiation cancer cells can be destroyed by carefully directed radiation therapy still. It's important to note that we've been under no delusion that radiation is safe for easily a hundred years radiologist who worked with radiation in the early part of the twentieth twentieth century regularly fell sick with leukemia. It's why we wear lead aprons when getting certain x-rays but those early news stories it's about wrongful death. Suit filed against for nod quoted company officials dismissing any suggestion of health concerns up until those lawsuits. It's Coffman says what are you really want writing much chugging. Along for a couple of decades nobody had any problems. When I think it was nineteen eighty-four we finally the public than the paper? We know the groundwater was pointed. I don't know how much we know about the Radio Station risk today because it was low level radiation but it was on them for years. The water supply issue was the first to raise concerns. Because because when you drink uranium the problem isn't just its radioactivity. Uranium is naturally occurring in small doses. But if you ingest too much of it they can wreak havoc on your body. According to the World Health Organization ingested uranium enters the bloodstream. quickly you urinate some of it out out. But small amounts accumulate in the kidneys and the skeleton takes about fifteen days for the uranium strength to reduce by half. The the half life in the skeleton is far longer. Uranium can hang out in your bones for longer than three months. Some studies even put it out a couple of years and the symptoms of acute. Uranium toxicity are pretty unsettling studies using rats. Found that some of the rodents loss weight and started hemorrhaging emerging from the eyes and lay eggs and knows. Scientists found microscopic changes in the thyroid. And they OUGHTA as well as lesions on livers I and kidneys. Severe kidney damage can follow and that damages. Sometimes you're reversible. Imagine learning you've been serving. Your kid hid water from a well. That could cause any of this. You know by this point I'm doing interviews. I'm crying on the television. I'm worried about my baby. The and that's Lisa Crawford again. After her well was found to be contaminated. Her life changed and not just because she did a few interviews on the local news and by her own description. She was catapulted from small town. Housewife to environmental advocate. Fighting for nolde became an all-out route mission. I had never. I had never flown on an airplane. Ever I flew to DC and testified before Congress are scared shitless man it was like I'm on this plane and this little boy sitting next to me going. Wouldn't it be cool if we landed on the water and I'm like Oh my God and you you know sitting in front of Congress is Kinda scary but I was angry. She had written several pages to deliver to Congress and wasn't finished when a yellow yellow light popped on and a man told her the rupp or comments and I thought I got five six four pages and I just kept reading and The red light came on and he said Miss Crawford. I said you paid for me to get here today. You flew me here. You put me on a real expensive hotel overnight by God. I'm not getting up up and leaving until I finish reading what I have written here. Not another word was said. That was the first of several congressional hearings. Lisa attended we. We tortured our elected officials. I mean tortured them. It wasn't just time consuming. It sometimes felt downright dangerous ten years before all this unfolded folded at Fernald. A woman in Oklahoma named Karen Silkwood had testified before Congress to whistle blow on safety violations at a plutonium plant where she worked and on November Fifth Nineteen seventy four. A detector at work showed she had high levels of radioactive contamination. Her home Even tested positive including the Bologna in her fridge. A week later she left an evening union meeting to meet up with the New York Times reporter supposedly bringing with her documentation supporting her claim that Kerr McGee the company that owned. The plan was knowingly negligent. She never made it to the meeting. Her body was found later that night inside of her car she was killed in what appeared to be a single car crash. None of the documents she supposedly absolutely had been bringing to. The reporter were found with her in nineteen eighty three the year before David box disappeared. Meryl Streep starred as Silkwood it in a posthumous movie. It was a huge hit making thirty five million dollars in earning five Oscar. Nominations it also was part of a string of films in the eighties. That centered on nuclear warfare. The China Syndrome that chain-reaction Wargames Miracle Mile threads hell comes was to frog town. The nuclear industrial complex was not exactly portrayed in the best light so when Lisa Crawford spoke out about an old and she had a sense in Mike Price and this is important. Understand because this feeling of danger is crucial. When you're trying to grasp why David Boxes Family could even come to think that his knowledge of safety lapses at Renauld might have cost him his life? There were stories fresh ones real ones. It's circulating around this time about people said to have been killed for whistleblowing. I toured the site one day. There's a a machine you stand in it it scans you and whatever and I had contamination on my hands. You know you're like okay. I figure I've had my dose. You know God I've been in here so many times and the guy said well. What did you touch? Hello on a tour. We went up and down steps APPS. And the you have visions in your head of they're gonNA drag me off here and they're going to scrub my body down and they're gonNA take my clothes and you you have these horrible visions because we've seen Silkwood and people would say to me. You know what they did to Karen you know what they did to her. It's outed McGee Eh. And I'd say yeah okay. I'm not scared I was threatened. My Life was threatened a few times. My family's life was threatened. That really made me mad and I I had a big top union guy out of at AFL CIO out of DC. Say to me one day. Keep your face on the news your picture. The paper don't be quiet. Tell them what they gotta here and nobody will bother you. So that's what I did. I think my husband got scared. A few times used to be a little red car that follow me around sometimes. We laughed about it because there was what we were always two or three or four of us together. You know not a follow me. I think we all think our phones were tapped a few times in the early years I used to pick it up and say I'M GONNA call my mom now. Do you WANNA listen I mean we just we came became smart Alex mostly so when you say life threatened Kim you. A message was left left on my answering machine that they were gonNA kill me. Come on deep down in your gut. You're like okay so I always made you know at at that point my husband and I made sure we had our wills. We had everything legally you now done in case something would happen to you. You want to make sure your kids taking care of this role played dragged on for years. We will maybe eight years and my husband said to me one day. I mean you know. We're all working fulltime job. You've got a child called your you know your house is clean anymore. And you're lucky if they eat in the laundry done and my husband said to me. Maybe it's time to quit and I can't we can't we can't quit and they didn't. They kept hammering the dot until they got more and more of the information. They wanted the the Ohio. Environmental Protection Agency started fighting alongside them giving them more leverage. This meant that a major state agency was butting heads with the federal one. Here's Graham Mitchell of the Ohio. EPA again we was not necessarily. You know not telling they weren't that their culture was secrecy insecurity so they were not a culture that was open to like talking about. You know what their problems they had never. They never or have that. They didn't have anybody on staff that was like a communications expert or anything like that. That was not their their their strong suit. But even when the doe started backing down own and acknowledging that maybe it hadn't been as let's say forthcoming as it should have been there was no kun by moment to this day there are people who worked for an adult who seemed to be a strange sort of denial. About what happened there. Remember Bob Kiss Bird. The Guy who started working at for an all right after high school. Here's this talking if I went to work every day and had been told that things were safe and then learn through lawsuits that they weren't and that My bosses knew that I would be angry. I think people were you. Were you angry. NO COASTS I. I felt safe okay. Why so because I felt save didn't feel threatened okay so even though there were scientists pointing to a I real hard violations of these standards? You still thought well. They told me and save so. It's safe well. I think the interview is about over. Okay all right I. I'm not sure I can't continue to be grilled like this next time on accused the government and whoever was running the plant can deny continued to deny the and didn't dive uranium poisoning who died of a task decisions. Well who the person who's serving fairly nearby dot the done show stand up and say anything To bench this season go to www dot blender dot com slash plus. 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US Open Day 13 - Andreescu Arrives; Serena - Will It Happen? Nadal vs. Medvedev Preview

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US Open Day 13 - Andreescu Arrives; Serena - Will It Happen? Nadal vs. Medvedev Preview

"Editon is podcast listeners is at one month since katherine matt and myself tassone us beams delivered mass now has a t._v. Thankfully against we can actually the us is quite useful having a t._v. to go with the sinus but yes yeah what about the oh it is sleek. It is sexy. It is enhancing my experience. It's all the good things son or stockholm hi. I'm john mcenroe onboard. This is martina navratilova. I'm mats wilander. This is mary carillo. I'm stunned rowing. Enlighten you <music>. I'm andy murray carol ray and you're listening to the tennis podcast so thank you carol raye for introducing the women's singles final tennis podcast from the u._s. Open in two thousand nineteen one of our kickstarter backers for the year. We'll be launching our kickstarter. Crowdfunding campaign to help us fund the twenty twenty he season in december on december the first so thanks for everybody who's back just for this year. It's the reason we're still going to nearly one hundred shows over the course of the year and we'll we'll go well well beyond that we've sent matt robots to australian open. We've been out of give him a job and next year catherine. We want him here. He d we boy. Do you join us in the food court here at flushing meadows amendment just trying to take in what we've just witnessed from. Dan current res q quite honestly because her performance was just quite extraordinary. It's led to <hes> catherine and myself drinking pink drinks. I'm no longer to be as law. I'm worn. What's a cold frozen one froze law. Let's take the food t six years. He is yeah. It's davis birthday fake sticky forty six years to discover froze ahah catherine's propia frozen and i'm slightly swain and maceda site about two thirds of the way through it. It's a magical combination of if rosie wine vodka and whatever chemical makes it frozen at room temperature. It's it's very nice. <hes> and i feel like i need it to just try to settle myself down. After witnessing a quite stunning final i mean it was two who sets in the end. It was really exciting to about three all the players going toe to toe and then andress could just took off didn't shave. She won about eight out of the next nine games. Seven hundred leks eight something like that <hes> to go six three five one against serena williams an and she had champions point championship points in that game. It looked over. She didn't tell you the championship points and then williams began to play in that game her best tennis match she started to play like serena yes on championship point at five three and hit a forehand winner and that was her first win of the set and then she proceeded to in sixteen of the next twenty points to get back to five all crooked. That's <hes> about you but at that point. I was thinking thank god gang. Rescue is human. Yes you're right because i was wondering if she actually would fill any nerves absa tension. I really i really was questioning whether she would do her. How much of that comeback do you put down to attention because i'm sure it's effective effective but serena did start to really connect didn't share that because the nerves intention for her related his she had nothing to lease it that say i i put a reversal in of momentum down entirely see crusher intention on both sides of the <hes> it it increasing address key to appointment she'd have seen never experienced before and it and it lifting from serena china bureau a little bit and yet we don't know about you. I never really thought undress. Q. wasn't to win it because she it was tennis. I think in my gut i felt that <hes> but i come and take it on the second sets and yeah i mean i was told you this before. I find it quite hard to judge set of tennis commentating on the radio. I mean we were in the background. We're looking down with. I've got no other point of reference than my two people that i'm sitting alongside. Which would you have to wrangle a noni brody and gave great analysis but i a bit lightheaded because it's such it's you put in so much emotion into it yourself in order to try to help capture what you're seeing especially in a set light that which goes for five one to five title and it's a grand slam. It's it's either the twenty fourth for one woman or the i mean there's no way that it can not be a acquire emotional experience for everybody evolves but i felt in my guts the unrest could win and yet seeing serena comeback after seeing the crowd <music> out go with her he just the logical part of my brain started thinking well. How can any human wittstein this and i was worried about for for andress because i'm also i'm always saw slightly worried about the the consequences of not winning from there. What if she did not want. I'm from six three five one championship point. I honestly think ninety five percent of players in that position having been pet back to to five from five one championship point would have love starts at seven five seven six and lost thirds at six one. I think i think if it weren't banker address skewed that would have been the most likely scenario honestly though at the wheel serena williams the desire at the the competitive instincts would have overwhelmed anybody anybody else but bank andrew is special she is my to something else isn't shading. I can't think of many players that i've ever seen quite what carry herself quite like. She does and seemed to have the the mental approach the she seems to have. It's i haven't seen anything in this. Era of a new player like if is it this visualization business could bring issue placing an app yeah. What am i gonna visualize math achieves board. I'm thus it will be so. I'm going to solve visualizing convicted of assaulting whole simon easily because yeah why will doing it because she's so on the money with it. I mean the thing what gets me is how candid she is about a visualization. It's not like it's not like she says yes. I do visualization but i'm not going in two thousand dollars. She gives you specifics the specifics being when she won the orange bowl as a sixteen year old. What a full three years ago. She said she visualized herself with the you the check with with the u._s. Open winner's cheque brackets three point eight five million dollars for our own mind visualizing that i'm visualizing it. It's it's amazing rent enjoying it. Oh it's over. Give it three years david yeah happy birthday and well to be on a given the price of these drinks seventeen dollars. A guy could do it at nights. Pick check <hes> no. It's it's just the way she carries carrozza south and and when when it got to five all i mean the the school board compla- tricks as well connor on plasma minds because took into jeff nine me and ask studio media the moment it wins five old they said right. This is now different for serena williams. She's no longer swinging from behind signed nothing to lose now. She suddenly got some into lose now. The crowd are in that believing they're not just sort of last stand hoping they are believing now this is turning and so i did make a difference but the bigger point was what andrew skewed it. She just stood up percents cohen. That's it and she went out. She just won the match. She won the match. I mean the guy that would double faults from serena. I understand and i think there were two aces and two double-faults to get to thirty all <hes> but it was the way that when she had the third the match points went the one she finished it on when she just samak's that forehand winner away on the clean return those just single single-minded focus. You're not having a rally here. You're not taking charge this rally here. I'm going to win it and she wanted my goodness goodness that was one of the great finishing points have ever matched that i've ever seen on a on a grand slam title stage yeah. I think i'd agree with that. <hes> i i did about it. I found the us has speech insurrection of a little bit disappointing that he has her reaction. She had that moment when she was flat out on her back but i didn't know that that was a touch of the andy murray twenty sort of total disbelief about it stephanie stephanie anonymous yeah i mean i don't think i i do also feel that when people achieve great things sometimes it can be almost a little bit ryan of done it has it has its best to fail. I don't really feel anyhow. I visualized it yeah but but i i i would imagine. I genuinely think she was in shock. Listening to the interview that prime did with a stroke afterwards the way she reacted to to the scenario of being presented the u._s. open champion whether she could've ever believed this was possible etc. You know you could see in rise that while she feels this is perfectly doable imperfectly within her ability ability the idea that she's actually gone and done it is still takes a heck of a lot again used to particularly given news down the other end and and i wonder if that surprised her feeling you know once she's had time to price that reaction will surprise have because she did she say she she was asked whether she was surprised to be in the fine on. She said look if you'd asked me a year ago whether it be surprised spending u._s._a. Said how yeah feels me two weeks ago night wouldn't have been surprised so maybe you know she went in believing she could win it therefore logically. If i went in. I won't be surprised in shock choke. I'll be able to maybe her lack of shock tonight. Shock shop sir. You know what what i really enjoyed about. The match was the tactical approach because i like andrew. Rescue has some option. She could've tried a few different things in that match and early on she hit that drop shots and serena came in ready. It's got glare drilled the bull straight at the bellybutton vandross gay who managed to scoop it back up into the air out which serena then hid dr double-handed volley straight back again so she basically tried to drill her twice which is seriously intimidating i think for most players perfectly legitimate but the crowd loved that they loved that suits sits of one on one toe to toe kind of agro of it all and williams finished you know the whole the whole thing and and i it would have been very easy for rescue to be intimidated by that. I loved the way that she was hitting her own winners and coming back with around come on in completely silent stadium when she was hitting a women's she wasn't in the slightest inhibited by anything those going on out there but i noticed the way apart from rights at the end of the match. She basically stopped hitting dropshots altogether. That was the one she hit until late in the match. Yeah oh oh yeah i mean and i think a lot of people are expected to be dropped shot heavy match name or slicer. Excuse me even if serena she went toe to toe she went toe to talk with the what we've always thought to be the hardest hitter in the world and she's not she's not any poster tonight. She's not john mcenroe came in your studio studio and and and said and it was a i find it quite jarring quote. There are now ten to twenty players who hit the bonus hottest serena. I'm not sure whether that's quite true but there are a handful tonight and when you think about twelve months ago to win. Our soccer did what she did. You start to realize actually the the ground has shifted yes. That's how i feel about tonight. I feel like i'm the first to take anything patrick. Mockby talked sensitive sundays to meghan markle tonight. That wasn't an accident also but he said before this match she said look the other three sons finals. She played before after coming back from maternity. Leave she she only she was able to make the finals three just willpower and competitive spirit not because she was ready this summer she's ready so we're looking at this pilion tennyson. Am i think i think that old adage of serena's best tennis is the best tennis no longer applies. That's how i feel. I i still think she might get twenty four. Maybe even more because everyone plays their best tennis at the the same time as an enemy given lock his huge factory etc etc draws everything but i don't think serena's best tennis is the best tennis anymore. It's it's top five after tonight's. I think i agree with you and what struck me again an an for anybody. Everybody listened to this. You've watched this match in your own way with your own t._v. Or you've maybe listen to the radio you had your own commentators on it which all influence i think the way you consume a match the way you and it doesn't impact you. I've watched it from a real bird's eye view in the back of the stadium looking down on on the court so difficult to to get a sense of the trajectory tree of the ball and the and the height of the net etcetera but what we do get a real sense of the movement of the plaza and where they on the court and hannah reacting to the pace of the ball how fast it's coming off the rack okay and my sense certainly for the set of comments that i did was that serena was made to look by andres kid a little slow she was slower than her and when they got into a big hitting based on a andress match for her in terms of power she had more work on the ball well because she has that natural topspin which makes leap off the corner way but there were a number of times when they went side to side that williams just wasn't quite there and she was hitting the ball lights she was sitting out quite dramatically out because she wouldn't back off and kept still going for the shots <hes> and ma- maybe that's retrievable. Maybe be with a proper off season and maybe some warmer tournament. She can get some sharpness that will make you feel and made me feel okay. Actually that was that was a one off but it looked like a nearly thirty eight year old and let's remember that serena tends thirty eight and a couple of weeks against the nineteen year old and that's a massive massive assist difference in terms of your physicality. I'm not saying it's impossible to do it. Roach ephedra still looks incredibly springy out are there and and like a panther <hes> but an- and serena can sometimes move incredibly well but to keep up with these kids. I don't know i don't know whether that's going to say it's a different breed of kids isn't it t- to any that come at her before schuster for yeah. She's she's different different and i think she's different doors. He sees its rubbing her luxury maura. This serena herself is the first to admit that that's the big weapon of hers the intimidation factor these fearless kids coming along fake him in the french open. It doesn't have the game of andros get these feelings kids coming along and sunny in her face going going to be and succeeding. They seize eroding a big weapon. Serena's andrea skew though stands alone in terms of having everything yeah i i would say of the this generation. She is the one that reminds me of serena twenty years ago more than anybody and i us their hands up in the primary issue day when it was me john mica manila and greg who had heard of her twelve months again of course greg had his hand up even finish on during the question but that's cheating cease canadian and he said oh the canadian federation meal canadian possible chill citizenship attention parker always always took him out canadian postal. It gets them access all suits. I think that i can get access. Lady go-goes doctor the other day apparently walsall's so yes he had he had the inside track from people at the canadian federation so discounting danny who is very recently retired very much finger on the pulse of if the women's store in john mcenroe's heavily involved in burqas saying we're happy to admit that they haven't hadn't had twelve months again here i mean joan was followed up by saying really he only became aware of appropriate neal's when she went not title and i think probably quite what a lotta people feel like. I'm sure there are some of you out. There aren't all about two years ago. Don't europe's is i. I saw for the first time in oakland at the start of the year in january three and i haven't looked up now. What's exchanged. We had yet because i i'd like to have a look at it just to see how far away we were <hes> but i would still say even with oakland's even with indian wells and even with toronto and rescues done here to carry all of that potential and that sort of my word. She looks a bit special into a slam and win a slam in free t. she routine fashion. She has just won a slam for the most part without playing her best tennis and i i look she played in the final. She played it in the final. She beat serena williams in straight sets on march the third knife hang on. We'll take a lot older but i'm sure i can get back that far on the six of the first you said no. No you didn't say anything then. I've searched under skew in my what's up. History can't find anything from january but i can certainly tell you that on the tenth of march he said go watch andreevski absolutely brilliant food cart proud of myself because you were in australia. Yes that would have been so. She hasn't lost a competed much since he said that pretty cool. She's twenty four and yeah i. I think what twenty five now yeah on the thirteenth of the third there was a message just under skew and then the is emoji. I sent that might say thirty march is when i can lay claimed i would say you definitely had a bit of a nightmare soccer moment when you saw properly for the first time didn't you because you still have white for me. <hes> <hes> yeah she's she's amazing and if you haven't had chance to properly watch apply <hes> just change it. She's got the lot and and <hes> it. I mean mcenroe was saying she's gonna win. Half a dozen major titles over the next few years this fitness permitting of course because <hes> anybody who's had four and a half months out the game because of a shoulder injury is a worry in that regard but you know hopefully that doesn't happen and i just want to. I want to see a play some of these others. I wanna play play some over samba lenka on a play or some <music> oldest coca everybody but we stood with tim m._d. On the eve of this ornament watching mankind rescue partisan you mentioned to tim the the time she had with a shoulder injury and he said a came gonna have it. She was just about to start serving in the practice. Had i e said usually that would be down to <hes> service mission if you having children trees is a nineteen year old. You've i thought is issue with the service mission. Who owns didn't he said nine. There's no problems there so i put that to marry a couple of days later when we were stood watching apprentice spent a lot time watching bangor and rescue practice because the dog also from washington yeah yeah it is because of the toll amid lock goes on. She was wearing less multicolored leggings. Wasn't you know this is a sm- mina point but she just i feel like this person is just doesn't give a toss what anybody thinks she just goes out <hes> she goes in some words <hes> check me out in my words it'd be looking on. I just don't give a toss you can judge me couldn't give it to us. Honestly i look her and i think i feel envious out of as as a nineteen nineteen year olds were given to have an ounce of that really just think i think most people are not dot com view life life through that lens and that's not am not being critical of her at all she she seems great to me. I think she sees great is speech on media day and yes. She was totally check me out in the most respectful likable <hes> to open the society's sustain issue you engage with us listening to the questions in the post-match into court today she just listened to the questions and then she she sydney processed them and came out with this with an answer that wasn't just trotted out because she's so used to saying to finish. It's the story that got initially derived by dogs and lastly derailed by things. Mary said it was just overplaying the shoulder injury and you just said your management that say i really hope she's right. Serena and twenty four probably the first time i've had a question mark in my mind yeah yeah me too. I think she needs the luck to fool for her. Joe mcconnell said in your interview with him. I don't think she'll be plane after next year. Not sure what he was basing ought to go because he said it would would would real stridency. He seemed happy to say that but you know well well. I mean i i went early on it saucy early but i always said that i couldn't see her onto without venus and and venus's thirty nine the rest going to play next year but it looks things neilan tissue avenue i knew three slices is the first one to shut down the narrative tip about her age etc such that both going to take you. I think the ones take care of his done and therefore next season is done fetus will be forty. <hes> equal just can't imagine i cannot imagine a rhetorical on twenty three. I can imagine a being there is a sixty year old. Just asking for world called in trying to ever have peace. I think john said said look she's already the greatest of and whilst i do believe that it'll always be there and the asterisk will always be there even if efficiently and there are people listen to this another that feel like that shouldn't be considered because she's she's done it all in the open era which i take the point i'll be until she gets twenty five. We'll be having this conversation one way or another. Can i interrupt this broadcast for an episode. Site description from the podcast released on the sixth of january twenty nine team. Your sugar tightly is goodbye hoffman cup question. Mark said ain't so hey andy murray returns semi colons naming soccer opens up semi colon daily favorites customer <hes> a couple of paragraphs about the homeland co-op <hes> hopping koppelman cup andy murray <hes> brisbane etc etc dohar chocolates pitchy cetera et cetera david catherine assess the title-winning weeks for kevin anderson and reading sub lincoln aged well <hes> this was a discussion ocean about namiki soka and calmer and excitement over rising star bianca andress gay january twenty nineteen both peba data come on <hes> well. I never in a million years could have imagined this. It's it is one of the most stunning rises at such a speed four grand slam. Tournaments is all she's played in the main draw that equals monica seles sixteen. I should add i with her. <hes> it's just an and yet still just looking at. It doesn't feel that biggest price. That's the most surprising thing about it is that it doesn't feel that big of a describes how use that line when she reached the final surprised. That's not a surprise to anyone well well. I it's look i still i'm still almost saying i think in rural hit twenty four out of just to the loyalty as much look. She's still pretty lace. Pick serena eh. She's older. She's still has reached for of what the last five grandson finals so you know that's an incredible amount of consistency and she keeps giving yourself opportunities. Go to this age at least <hes> so i'm going to i'm going to stick with it but and rescue has just put my jaw on the floor so this is catherine that we both had delivered a matt's got one as well. I couldn't believe how easy it was to set up because you know what i'm going to ten holiday also oh i'm in trouble here when the senate to me but it's something that two minutes and basically suddenly in a tennis match yeah your team at gateway not tennis watching heaven yeah and also there i was saying to you. Turn it up and you go well. You just get the app the app and then you you. Just talk to the app if you have any friends. We just don't know that that's right. Because this thing works with alexa it works google assistant stance phillies your instructions which wednesday always day yeah so basically you wanna get yourself sonus being great sound some. It's really easy to set up and something that you can talk autumn as well. I have a friend on tap. Dot com mixed doubles was won by why bethany magic sends and jamie murray today. It's the second one in a row in the first time. Anybody's defended for about thirty years one thousand nine hundred eighteen. Wow wow fantastic. Jamie's actually won the title three years in arabia's even it with martina hingis two years ago brilliant u._s._a. Open mic several specialists. They won the title title and didn't actually didn't actually know she'd wonder did she. She was really know about that. Because i love how open she was about this they both came to the prime primesee a really lovely interview with them <hes> and she's really knew about that because it meant that the visuals the optics sixes people say winning women will rubbish. She was <hes> she was very these great photos of me jumping in the air and this year's. This is the face of me looking confused. She was three two and she just won the whole thing <hes> and jamie act. She said that the same thing had happened to hear. The other way. Round earlier in the doubles didn't he. He said he he went to kneel scub- ski thinking that that just lost in a good match mate a male said komo kick. Oh yeah so you know this. Is it shows how the mind frazzle 's ready in may situations this holiday surprising when you consider what the stress they're under the intensity of at all <hes> but congratulations to to bethany mastic sons in january. Bethany always always gives a fantastic institution. She's energy. Isn't she again. If i could have just an ounce of fat please come on. She's done. She take time she. She's just presented eight hours a day on live t._v. For the last two weeks he's talking about energy fantastic as stay. Well you see the bad bit for the podcast is good often our everyday <hes> that's fine <hes> just just a word as well. I mentioned on the podcast last night about <hes> kabala power there win. How cool is that atmosphere. Doubles really gets people engage nervously that was a huge colombian crowd as well college students. Yeah it was really special in there wasn't a i. I think that wimbledon win has captured people receipt he obviously in columbia <hes> and the and everything about that story either how long they were partnership before winning their first grand slam the fact that it came wielded the nature in which they did it over <hes> russia's lower wimbledon and now after achieving that rather than having this sort of let down load of people have their writing this incredible wave of emotion momentum and there's something really epic orchestral about when sebastian cabal robot fire at the moment and <hes> i think it's farah that has a great great dog and one of them certainly had a little toddler. A nice child and one of them has a great dog. It could be the same one this just the great team around the lovely scenes anyway <hes> the men's singles final tomorrow having seen under rescue today i i think we're in for something special tomorrow shing downhill. Maybe that is coming to make up the numbers here he. He's another one he's just gonna gonna walk in there and come in yeah and so many people have all these physical question seven seven. I think he's he's hoodwinked. Cologne mcenroe loved it. Didn't they this pretty amendment where he said you know he's he's. He said already likes him a lot. The way he kinda puts puts me off. Balance fades the shots away and <hes> and he said you know but he came in and and he was probably the sort of guy that nobody really knew never heard of him and then suddenly now he's like this. This guy is like hey set guys is that the guy who said screw you to the crowd is that in yeah i was getting the rock up in my ear so gently trying to move john along so i could get him off to his next broadcasting appointment whatever that was and suddenly he's gonna off in a tangent about trump compete in and saying screw ye live television ladies and gentlemen in the company all children dogs and joe macadear. You never know what's gonna happen next <hes> well. I'm trying to get you out of you talking about peace in short short. It's all coming up tomorrow nine o'clock u._k. Time <hes> four o'clock in the u._s. You'll be on air. What time will you weren't for the women's doubles final which is body and as rancor against sankara mertens absolutely cracker. We're on after that at six pm time and and then build up to the men's finals starts at eight thirty with the final nine tennis podcast because because it'll be our final one folks <hes> enjoying them we we are. We're having a great time. We're sitting out here in the food court surrounded by <hes> closing food stalls roles and unfortunately the provider of my throws debut has closed the night i frankly i need the one because i can barely stand up as it is cool fit if he wanted to. Whoever you are sponsored this podcast we're we're. We're all of your products and <hes> yeah so. We're going to be about with another one of these tomorrow. 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Brittany Murphys Death Pt. 2

Conspiracy Theories

45:11 min | 8 months ago

Brittany Murphys Death Pt. 2

"It was around eight. Am on december twentieth. Two thousand nine when brittany murphy collapsed on her bathroom floor. Emergency responders rushed the thirty two year old actress to cedars sinai hospital and yet she was pronounced dead two hours later. Her mother sharon was devastated. Britney was her only child an only source of financial income. as for brittany's father. Sharon listed him as unknown when she signed her daughter's death certificate but that was hardly the case brittany new. The man wow angelo. Bertolotti was a retired mobster with assorted past. He admits sharon after she began working at one of his nightclubs. In miami florida the two fell in love in brittany was born in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven but their relationship was rocky. Thanks to angelo's shady dealings he'd been arrested more than once and spent twelve years behind bars for racketeering so sharon divorced him and moved to new jersey with two year old brittany. After that point. Sharon cut angelo. Out of brittany's life entirely. She couldn't keep them apart forever over the years brittany met with her father in secret and right before her death. She confided in angelo telling him that she was tangled up in some questionable affairs. According to angelo britney believed she was being monitored by government agents. They tapped her phone stationed themselves outside of her house. And we're watching her and her husband simon's every move. So when simon's autopsy revealed the same cause of death as britney's angelo knew something wasn't right on a quest for the truth. He told reporters they were murdered. No doubt in my mind but angelo had a few different theories about who was to blame. Welcome to conspiracy theories a spotify original from podcast. Every monday and wednesday we dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events in search for the truth. I'm carter roy. And i'm ali brandenburg and neither of us are conspiracy theorists but we are open minded skeptical and curious. Don't get us wrong sometimes. The official version is the truth. But sometimes it's not you can find episodes of conspiracy theories and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever. You listen to podcasts. This is our second episode on the mysterious death of brittany murphy. in december. two thousand nine. The hollywood actress passed away from pneumonia and anemia aggravated by prescription medications. Her husband simon died of the exact same complications just six months later last episode. We covered britney's rise to fame into relationship with hollywood con artist. Simon monarch we followed the aftermath of her death and the strange bond that simon and britney's mother sharon developed before he died. This time will explore a few theories surrounding the couple's demise some suggest that toxic mold in their hollywood home may have played a part others say they were wrapped up in a government conspiracy while some believe that someone close to britney and simon may be guilty of their murder. We have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by carmax at carmax. The best way to buy a car is your way. Choose from over. Fifty thousand carmax certified vehicles at carmax dot com and buy online or in store with curbside pickup and home delivery in select markets. Get all the details today. At carmax dot com. There's something about the untimely death of public figure. That always seems a bit surreal. Maybe it's because we feel like we know them personally but the truth is we rarely know what's happening off the silver screen so when an unexpected circumstance claims their life. It's only natural forest to want answers which was probably why america grew so obsessed with the mystery surrounding returning murphy. after simon and britney's autopsies revealed the same cause of death pneumonia and anemia. The press went wild. They didn't believe the couple's identical symptoms could possibly be a coincidence since la coroner. Ed winter had ruled out illegal. Drugs many wondered if there were other suspicious details that had been overlooked. There had to be someone or some thing responsible for their deaths which leads us to conspiracy theory number one. The couple was killed by their own home after an infestation of toxic mold. The first person to suggest this theory was actually brittany's mother sharon murphy. She shared a home with late couple. This meant she lived in the same house where brittany and simon took their last breaths in two thousand and three years before she died. Britney bought the five bedroom five bath home for three point. Eight five million dollars. The house formerly belonged to pop artists. Britney spears but not long after she purchased it. Brittany murphy started having issues with the estate. These problems were so bothersome that in two thousand six britney filed a lawsuit against the builders claiming that the house had been poorly constructed. She alleged that water was constantly seeping in through the foundation. This was problematic because when a home suffers from water damage. Mold is more likely to grow inside. The drywall making matters worse. According to psychiatrist. Dr judy superior homes that are built to be more energy efficient like britain. he's typically have less ventilation. This meant that toxic mold gases are more likely to circulate enter the body. If the problem goes untreated exposure could lead to serious health issues. Black mold is one of the deadliest forms of fungus because it releases mikey. Toxins exposure can lead to things like headaches. Depression anxiety insomnia and other neurological problems including hallucinations. Retinue was taking prescription medications for both depression and anxiety at the time of her death and the homes previous owner britney spears had suffered from similar symptoms. This indicated that mold may have been present long before the actress even bought the home. In addition a specific type of fungus called aspergillus mold can also be found in homes was water damage and poor ventilation. This mold can cause lung infections sore throat and weaken the body's immune system. This symptoms could have been easily confused with pneumonia. In addition there was a more telling sign. Britney's autopsy that suggested an exposure to toxic mold areas of her lungs appeared dancer than average in brittany had developed a severe inflammation inner tissue called. Granny lomas the most common cause of these swollen. tissues happens to be fungal infections. This means that breathing mold spores could have been a major factor in the couple's demise although it's unclear if simon's autopsy also showed granny lomas in his lungs. There were even a few sources from outside the home. That believed mold was to blame for example. Reporters from inside edition were welcomed in by simon in two thousand ten. Just a few months after britney's shortly after entering the journalists noticed that the windows and doors had been covered in plastic sheeting from a mold removal company. Simon's mother linda. Jack confirmed this claim. She said that her son had found and treated fungus in the home before his death but it may have been too late. Simon also told his mother that he was experiencing bizarre hallucinations around the same time as the inside edition interview. These tackle visions caused him to believe things were crawling under his skin. As we mentioned. Hallucinations and neurological conditions are another indicator that mold is present perhaps driven by these same fears of toxic. Mold in two thousand ten right after simon's passing. Sharon decided to put the home up for sale. But sharon's mildew theory and quite a few plot holes for starters. Sharon initially told correspondents winter back in two thousand nine that she did not believe. Toxic fungus led to brittany's death when winter asked sharon if he could send in professionals to inspect the home as a precaution. She vehemently denied the request. Still winter did report the situation to the department of public health. But when he later received britney's topicality records there was no physical presence of mold in her system. Britney's publicist roger. Neil also claim that the home had been tested for mold two months before the actress died but he insisted that the results had come back. Negative even angelo bertolotti brittany's father found the fungus claims. A bit preposterous. He pointed out the fact that sharon was a two time cancer survivor. If toxic mold was dangerous to those with weakened immune systems then. It's odd that sharon was the only one not affected. You're absolutely right. The whole thing seems to fall apart. Once you learned that the la coroner found no mold and brittany or simon's toxicology reports while the symptoms do line up with fungal poisoning. The others surrounding evidence doesn't support this claim so on a scale of believability with ten being the highest. I have to give this theory. A three out of ten i to find this to be a bit of stretch even if we look at the previous homeowner britney spears. We have no indication that she was affected by mold things. Id depression and insomnia are more likely symptoms of fame than fungus not to mention we all remember spears infamous head shaving incident however that didn't occur until two thousand seven four years after she'd moved out of the estate so the connection doesn't hold water which is why i am also giving this theory a three out of ten but the speculation doesn't in there while there was no indication of mold it appeared. There was something else hiding in the walls of eighteen. Ninety five rising glen road government secrets coming up brittany. Murphy's purported attempts to expose a conspiracy listeners. This month marks sixty years since john f. kennedy became the thirty fifth president of the united states by shering his already prominent family into the highest enclaves of political power behind their stories successes. Lie secrets and scandals so severe. Lineage would have been left. 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Only casper mattresses are made with eighty six supportive gel pods to align your spine eliminate aches and pains. It's the cooling support comfort. You need for the most refreshed feeling every morning. Only on a casper mattress only at casper dot com now back to the story who a year after brittany murphy was laid to rest her mother. Sharon suspected that toxic mold led to her premature death however l. a. coroner found no of the fungus in her toxicology report. But that didn't keep fans from speculating. There was something suspect about britney and simon's death. The couple was known to act withdrawn even paranoid at times as if someone was keeping an eye on them so like every other mysterious death this case comes freshly baked with its own government conspiracy which leads us to theory number two brittany. And simon were targeted by government spooks. This conjecture requires a bit of a back story. It all started with. Julia davis a self-proclaimed. Close friend of the hollywood couple according to julia her husband. Bj davis was a film producer. Who had worked with britney and simon in the past however unlike her husband. Julia didn't work in the entertainment industry instead. She was a department of homeland security officer who monitored the border between san diego california and tijuana mexico. Julius job was pretty straightforward. She was tasked with preventing criminals and terrorists from crossing the us border and in two thousand four on the fourth of july. She was doing exactly that. Since it was a national holiday the staff was already short handed in told to be on high alert at the time. Intelligence agencies reportedly believed that members of al-qaeda. Were planning to infiltrate the united states through the mexico california border. These fears seemed especially plausible. That evening julia discovered that twenty three different people. Each marked by the dhs as special interest had been processed at the border. This was an incredibly high amount for any night let alone on an evening. There were worn to be extra careful so juliet decided to do a little investigating of her own. After reading late into the night she allegedly uncovered many discrepancies in the papers. Filed against these. Twenty three emigrants julia. Also that one of the assistant port directors had falsified the nationalities of the immigrants with her superiors off for the holiday. Julia filed a report with the higher ups at the department of homeland security and waited for further instruction by the following day. Julius still hadn't heard from her supervisors and she was getting anxious. So in line with the instructions in her employee manual. Juliet alerted the federal bureau of investigations in her letter to the fbi. Julia claimed that the port had not been properly secure under the current administration. Naturally she was worried in thought the authorities would be as well after all the bureau's terrorism task force is designed to follow up on these kinds of leads and respond to potential threats. However they didn't help julia. All something strange was clearly happening between the fbi and the dhs. It didn't make sense that the united states was turning a blind eye to potential terrorists. Crossing the border and shortly after julia began asking questions. Things got decidedly weirder around the office before the incident. Julia was seen as an exemplary employee. She'd reportedly received outstanding achievement certificates and was trusted to write the department's training manuals but after julia notified the fbi about discrepancies in dhs reports. The port manager began targeting her. She was also bullied and sexually harassed by other. Dhs employees over time. These retaliation tactics escalated ending and julia. Being deemed a domestic terrorist by the government in a bid to ward off further attacks on her character person. Julia resigned from her position but threats from the department of homeland. Security allegedly followed her home. She claims she was subjected to visual and audio surveillance and on august tenth. Two thousand five. The dhs staged a raid on her house that afternoon. Ten internal affairs agents along with immigration and customs enforcement or ice officers arrived in unmarked cars. These storms julia's residents as her neighbor. A man named matthew judd caught the event on camera. He even documented a black hawk helicopter trying to land in the yard. Officials used a battering ram to get into the home. Julia and her husband weren't there but her elderly parents weren't so lucky. Court records proved that agents handcuffed julia's mother and father while they raided the property. Her father's finger was broken in the scuffle and her mother was bruised. According to julia. The ice officers confiscated a shotgun and ammunition from the master bedroom julius husband. Bj had recently had his right to possess firearms revoked. So this gave the authorities something to arrest him over. Agents also took photos of the homes interior searching for evidence that bj was paid to marry. Julia ukrainian born citizen for a green card if they could charge julia for unlawful procurement of citizenship and marriage fraud then all her allegations against them would likely be dismissed. Outright i'm sure you're wondering how brittany murphy factors into julia's government conspiracy. Well if you remember from part one. Many people speculated that simon had called the actress into marrying him for citizenship. To according to julia once brittany learned that they were in similar situations the star spoke out publicly in her defense regarding the matter. Julia also claimed that britney and simon offered to be witnesses in her court case. If that were true it could have made them. Government targets after all a hollywood celebrity would have a pretty huge platform for exposing vhs secrets angelo. Brittany's father seemed to echo. Julius claims he said his daughter believed someone was surveilling her home as a result. According to angelo britney had fifty security cameras placed both inside and outside her residence. She and simon also installed scrambling devices their landlines so no one could listen in on their calls. Cast and crew members always felt that britney's odd behavior was due to drugs. But if angelo and julius claims are to be believed did maybe government spooks were to blame for britney's tardiness nervous behavior and inability to focus on set. Maybe that's why the couple rarely left their hollywood home. Maybe but it seems preposterous to think the government would kill britney and simon just to keep them from airing julia's allegations chore until you learn what happened to julia's neighbor judd. The same guy who caught the raid on tape a few weeks after judd captured that footage and gave it to the davis family. As evidence he was found dead in his home that the young age of twenty five the details surrounding judd's death or a bit murky but unlike britney and simon. He wasn't a high profile celebrity meaning. His death would have been much easier to cover up if it was indeed murder. Still it's hard to believe the government would murder someone just for defending julia. Especially when you hear. Other sides of the story according to investigative researcher brin kurt james hammond brittany and simon's increase in security had nothing to do with julia davis but they were concerned with a variety of legal charges that simon was facing like credit card fraud and deportation for an expired visa. In fact britney's mother. Sharon claims that. Julia davis was never part of the couple's life. She said i am quite confident. Brittany never cooperated with julia. Davis never signed any statement in support of her never met with her and barely knew she existed. Sharon says the julia had reached out to britney's agents but her daughter's representatives responded claiming that the actress didn't know anything about julia's allegations. Furthermore brittany's agents made it clear that she had no intention of ever meeting with the former. Dhs officer more evidence soon arose to dismiss yet. another one of julius claims. Julia had alleged that brittany murphy spoke publicly and her defense and yet hammond. The investigative reporter comb through the legal documents regarding julius case but no matter how much he searched he couldn't find brittany or simon's name within them according to him. The hollywood couple had never been approached or interviewed by any of the agencies in question in fact the more ham doug the more he realized that julia was not a credible source however it wasn't until he interviewed. One of the davis is alleged former. Friends and actress named kimberly cates. That he realized he may be in his head. and the davis's were more dangerous than they seemed. Cates claimed quote. Please be very careful around those two. They destroyed my soul for eight years and it cost me a million dollars in legal fees. She went on to say quote. They still do stalker ish. Type things to me super scary people in two thousand twelve nearly three years after brittany. Murphy's death julia and bj davis created a documentary about their experience with the government called top priority. The terror within the film was the davis's last ditch effort to make a buck off of their wild. Dhs allegations they were determined to profit. Even if it meant dragging britney's memory into their gamut so yes. It appears that the actress was never directly involved with the couple by perhaps julian. Bj saw her. Death is the only way to call attention to the corruption inside the dhs. According to a fringe article on parents advocates dot org a whistleblower site government documents outlined the efforts of multiple agencies to silence julia and bj. The files claim that as many as nineteen different prosecutors. Help julia fight fifty. Four allegations against her launched by multiple organizations like the irs the fbi and the california department of justice among others that same whistleblowers site also claims that a california superior court. Judge named margaret was allegedly issued. A restraining order to protect julia. Judge woods recognized. The julia had been unlawfully harassed and forced to resign by the department of homeland security. Whether or not that is true. They're still has been zero evidence that brittany murphy and simon mon- jack were at all involved if that's the case then there's no reason why the government would have wanted the couple dead not to mention. Julius seems like an elaborate storyteller. She appeared frequently as a guest on the radio. Show of alex jones of far-right conspiracy theorist who has been proven to spread misinformation. Which is why. I have to give this theory. Eighty one out of ten already did a little bit higher with two out of ten only because julius case does seem to be rooted in some truth especially if she was granted a restraining order from the superior court in the murder of her neighbor. Matthew judd feels so ominous that it makes you wonder how much these agencies are capable of so while it's not likely that britney and simon were part of a government conspiracy. It doesn't make their death any less suspicious. In fact britney's father's suggests they may have been murdered by someone close to the couple someone who lived in their home coming up. We'll investigate if sharon murphy played a role in her daughter's death. This episode is brought to you by tarmacs at carmax. The best way to buy a car is your way whether you're an online shopper. 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Julia claimed that britney publicly stood up for her after she was harassed by agents for exposing a terrorist plot way decided that the theory simply doesn't hold water but that doesn't mean that foul play is off the table angelo bertelli lottie britney's estranged father had a few theories about his daughter staff but one of his most astonishing was the idea that she was killed by someone close to her. This brings us to conspiracy theory number. Three sharon murphy played a role in both brittany and simon's eerily similar deaths in february two thousand and ten. La corner. ed winter officially ruled that the cause of the couple's death was pneumonia and anemia aggravated by prescription medications. Then the lapd closed the case believing. There was no foul play to investigate but angelo bertolotti had a history with organized crime. This meant he'd likely bit involved in cover ups in the past so he knew that something wasn't right. Angelo told the hollywood reporter. I'm not going to rest until my daughters and timely demise is properly investigated which hasn't happened so far for case deserves more than a superficial glance with this promise in mind. Ngelo took matters into his own hands. He hired a forensic pathologist named. Dr cyril wecht to examine his daughter's death doctor. Wecht whose merits include president of the american academy of forensic sciences agreed with angelo wondered. How a young woman could have gotten to such an advanced state of pneumonia and anemia especially with her financial means and while living with her mother in two thousand twelve angelo filed a lawsuit against the los angeles. Coroner's office and the lapd. He did it in the hopes that it would force them to reopen. Britney's case angelo news. The coroner had skipped an important step in the autopsy. They never ran a toxicology test. Britney's hair which could offer crucial evidence for the case instead of reaching a financial settlement. The lapd agreed to ship specimens from britney's autopsy files to an independent lab for testing after the samples were sent to the carlson company in colorado angelo claimed that his quote worst suspicions had been confirmed. Their assessment reported the presence of ten different heavy metals. In britney's hair things. Like uranium tin copper manganese barium and sulphur were said to have showed up in the report and on the ingredients listed in several easily obtainable rat and insect poisons the carlson companies report concluded by saying quote. The only logical explanation would be an exposure to these metals at ministered by a third party perpetrator with criminal intent. If britney and simon were poisoned their symptoms would certainly make sense. Heavy metal exposure can cause fatigue confusion impaired consciousness chills fever and tightness in the chest. That could be confused for respiratory problems. Another telling symptom of poisoning is inflammation of the mucous membrane inside the throat. If you remember from part one. Sharon reported a black mucus coming from simon's mouth when she dialed nine one. One a poisoned like arsenic would be the perfect weapon if the killer wanted to be discreet. Not only is it easy to procure but arsenic is also an odorless and tasteless toxin. That can be given small doses leading to a prolonged period of illness before death but in order for someone to slip it in food or drink they'd have to be pretty close to the victim in other words. The perpetrator would have to be someone who was around all the time like a caretaker or a mother. Angelo hit me speculated that sharon played a role in the couple's deaths now he felt he had proof. Sharon was a two time cancer survivor. it didn't make sense that if both brittany and simon had such deadly cases of pneumonia that she wouldn't get the bug as well especially with a naturally depleted immune system aside from her pre existing conditions. There were a series of other suspicious details. That didn't help her. Case for starters even after britney told her she felt like she was dying. Sharon waited hours to call nine one one also concerning sharon told on the emergency call that both she and simon had performed cpr on brittany however on their king she told the host that quote. No one did mouth to mouth end quote further casting suspicion on her when the lapd showed up to investigate the home. Sharon initially didn't want to let them in without a search warrant. She and simon also initially refused the idea of an autopsy. It seemed as though she had something to hide and she followed the same pattern. After simon died in his case sharon again failed to call for help until hours after he'd lost consciousness then she again refused request for an inspection of the home and finally she was evasive when asked whether she shared a bed with her son in law even simon's mother lindemann. Jack noticed that there was something off about sharon linda. With angelo that foul play factored into the couple's death in an exclusive with the daily mail. She told reporters. I believe that lots of things were covered. Opt should not have been covered up. And i do know that. My son died unnecessarily in circumstances that are very very suspect. Simon who was in frequent contact with his mother back in england confided in her in the weeks before his death. He claimed his mental health was suffering and he was experiencing hallucinations like we mentioned earlier. Simon told linda that he felt like things. Were crawling in an out of his skin. He also mentioned that he was gaining weight and felt severely. Bloated confusion hallucinations and bloating. All happen to be symptoms of arsenic poisoning. Glenda also said that her son called her on may twenty third two thousand ten hours before his death. He was slurring his words in slipping in and out of consciousness terrified. Linda spoke to sharon and begged her to take simon to the hospital. But sharon ignored the request after some undyed. Linda flew to los angeles for the funeral. She was shocked to find that. Sharon had hired a private security team to stay at the home while linda was there when simon's mother asked if she could have a moment alone in her son's room sharon refused to let her out of sight of the security team. She also wouldn't let linda take any of her son's belongings no clothes or photos not even his work portfolio. According to linda. Sharon claimed simon was broke and didn't own anything in the home. It all belonged to brittany. Sharon may have mismanaged her daughter and son-in-law illness and she may have been kurt with linda following simon staff but that doesn't necessarily mean she poisoned them after all brittany was her pride and joy and she seemed a lover son-in-law's well enough to potentially have a bed with him once. Her daughter was gone. But if you look closer. You'll see that sharon did have a few motives. Both san and brittany had high value life insurance policies that she was entitled to. In addition simon was suspiciously. Left out of his wife's will which meant the majority of britney's finances were left to her mother and yet after britney's death simon began draining. What was left of the family's bank account leaving less than twenty percent of their finances. the couple's business manager jeffrey. Morgan roth said he witnessed the situation first-hand he had access to the family statements and could see that hundreds of thousands of dollars were taken from britney's or rather sharon's account and pension plan in other words. If sharon didn't put a stop to simon's behavior she risks being left with nothing while that may explain her motivation for taking out simon. It doesn't explain why she would have ended her daughter's life too well in the weeks leading up to britain's death. The actress told her mother that she and simon were thinking of moving to new york the to wanted to get their own place. Settle in and start a family for sharon. The idea of future for her daughter that didn't include her could have been a prime motivator. It's possible that brittany's mother overreacted in a fit of jealousy. But there's yet another potential reason for brittany's death at her mother's hand brin kirk james hammond author of a case for murder. The brittany murphy files says that brittany may have been a victim of a mercy. Killing sharon publicly admitted that britney was suffering from a downturn in her career in fact sharon appeared to blame herself for britney's floundering work sharon mentioned to larry king. That brittany was by side in the hospital as she underwent surgery and chemotherapy for her cancer. Ridden slept there every day for five weeks. The time and emotional commitment may have taken a toll. Britney's acting career hammond believes that sharon may have decided to end britney's life to keep her from a bottomless pit of despair. The actress was constantly ravaged by the press. Often felt sick depressed in unhappy with her job. Prospects hammond wrote the human brain is complex in his wired with empathy compassion guilt kindness encoded to recognize and understand another person's pain perhaps in some way. Sharon thought that she was putting britney out of misery. No matter what sharon's motives might have been. It feels unlikely will ever get an answer. Angelo bertolotti tried to take his investigation. A step further zooming britney's body. Unfortunately he was denied permission since he had no legal authority over his estranged daughter. Over the years berta lobbies health started to decline. He died in two thousand nineteen at the age of ninety two. Taking any remaining doubts he had about sharon to his grave. Despite berta alati suspicions in life l. A. corner ed. Winter believes that sharon is innocent. He claimed that here are testing. Results are famously finicky. It's not an exact science for that reason. The report meet by the carlson company. Jump to conclusions if people die their hair frequently like britney did for each role winter says. It could create a lot of issues when testing those follicles to spite his words. Sharon's evasive actions after both deaths. Certainly make her look suspicious. And she had motivations for wanting simon out of the picture. But i think that accusations of murder might be a step too far the. Lapd investigated the home. Not once but twice after britney's staff and didn't find anything suspicious. Sharing was never even considered a suspect. Perhaps that's why ed winter stands by his ruling that the cause of death was pneumonia aggravated by prescription medications. As we mentioned last week there were reportedly dozens of pill bottles in the bedroom. Many of which had a is like trevor williams. And sharon. mon- jack on the label. This led the police to believe the couple was abusing. These medications unknowingly accepted baiting. Their illnesses was sharon enabling their addictions. Probably does that make her a murderer. I don't think so for that reason alone. I have to give this theory a two out of ten. I wholeheartedly agree. Even ed winters said that while brittany and simon's deaths were not purposefully committed by third party. They could have been easily prevented. Sharon absolutely should have called for help long before either of them. To in fact she probably should've encouraged them to get help for their addictions years before their death. Bent like you said that. Hardly equates to criminal intent i'll give this theory a one out of ten ultimately. I don't think any of these theories are accurate while brittany murphy was smiling on the red carpet on the inside. She was fighting her darkest demons. She was struggling with the pressure to stay beautiful relevant and to be seen as talented invaluable in an industry that offered no room from misstep in the end it took britney's tragic death for the world to recognize her kind heart undeniable talent and deep deep-seated pain if she'd lived through that december afternoon which have gone on to resuscitate her career win an oscar. Start a family or would she have continued to live with those demons. Allies the pain and the depression that overshadowed what could have been a beautiful legacy. Unfortunately we'll never know. Thanks for tuning in to conspiracy theories. We'll be back monday with an all new episode of the mini sources. We used we found a case for murder the brittany murphy files by brin kurt. James hammond useful to our research. You can find all episodes of conspiracy theories and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify until then remember. The truth isn't always the best story and the official story isn't always the truth. A conspiracy theories is a spotify original from par cast. It is executive produced by max cutler. Sound design by. Michael motion was production. Assistance by ron shapiro carly madden and travis clark. This episode of conspiracy theories was written by lori gottlieb with writing assistance by nicholas wart and abby geli audie magoo fact checking by cheyenne lopez in research by brad klein and brian pizzas. 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"Govern colorado never stops neither do we. This is no co now presented by shanin agency. Here's tanner swint book. Man hour number two inside the collusion specialist studios i m. Tanner went a lot to get to still here and an intriguing conversation that will get to as well about trusting the science trust in the science for covert. I have to be a part of the conversation with our to talk grill. Text line at nine seven zero four seven eight one three zero one nine seven zero four seven eight thirteen zero one. You can text in your thoughts there new subscribers all you have to text. Kfi to that number and you'll be able to You'll be able to text in any of your thoughts. They'll fashioned phone line is always good and ready to go as well nights. Seven zero three five three thirteen ten. Yeah our accessories of the floor in her poll question. Which by the way fellas. If you're looking to surprise your girl don't know. Maybe don't know what to get her go down to accessories. 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Where are you going to celebrate. Cinco de mayo tonight. Ryan is itching to get out on the town. He's ready to get a ca- throw couple of margaritas back. Eat a couple of tacos. In a way he goes. There's no doubt that he'll be doing that tonight. And he's wondering where where what's what's a good place to go and celebrate cinco de mayo legend on facebook page at nocona them all right. Let's get a look around these sports world not a whole lot yesterday outside of the colorado rockies but they're akis Did enough to keep us intrigued. They were down double header last Yesterday obviously the first game started First pitch was three forty They come out and give up. Tan runs ten runs in the top of the first inning. Are you kidding me. This was supposed to be a seven inning game winning game. You know. I figured okay. It's going to be a low scoring. You got her on marquez. On the mound her mom marquez goes two thirds of an inning gives up eight runs flocks to. I mean it is hideous. It's hideous and and the rockies. They never even kept. I mean remains tabby hit a grand slam to make ten four for them in the top of the sixth inning Giving give up two more runs in the giants. Hold on and win this one. Twelve four this down My talk one gets on base brandon belt singles draft scores one zero alex dickerson single to center built scores. Buster posey the second floor single to center. Dixon scored posey scored crawford second four zero. Just doing this so you can get an overall feel of this duggar doubled. Crawford scored vassar to third belt derived vasser scored. Doug scored talk court. That's grand slam. Post back to back home runs so the pat around score ten bad bad start to the day for the colorado rockies in the second game it didn't look like it was gonna be much better at all for the price he's who went ahead and started ryan kosta yanni and you had to. We had to worry about ryan cassini coming on they fall down to two zero and the top of the second inning they score two in the fourth so they're tied to the giants go and score four straight answer to the fifth and the sixth so six six to two going into the bottom of the seventh inning. Which again these are two seven inning games. Well that's on. The bottom of the seventh proved to be a little bit crazy sixty two all of sudden trevor story doubles hampton and trae host skorts. Six two four you think. Maybe there's hope frame mcmahon singled story scored and then to cap it all off charlie blackmon with a three run bomb to win the game. Eight to six seven innings. So you have. Fourteen runs scored in the second game in a seven inning game and sixteen runs scored in the first game. Yeah offense was on fire yesterday Not the pitching staff. Not so much and of course. It's a day where it's rainy and things like that. I it feels like the ball should be popping out. Was yesterday the rockies back in action here today Pregame coverage on kfi starting at twelve thirty. John gray and logan web do battle today. John gray has been fantastic so far this year. Three into a three one five. Era so far. Thirty strikeouts only fourteen walks for john great rockies got to win this one. That was such that so i mean who would've thought that that would have been as many runs. We're going to be scored in those Let's switch over to the hardwood With the ver- nuggets Who are back in action tonight. The nuggets take on the new york knicks. Normally you'd say thatch. Just the lowly mix but the knicks are having a pretty good year this year in the nuggets. They do need to win this to keep pace with everybody else. In the western conference as the sons have gone on a five game winning streak they now hold the tiebreaker over utah for the number one spot in the conference denver sitting back in fourth place. Now after the after the la clippers. Get a win last night. And it goes. The mavericks the lakers and the trailblazers in that western conference talking about the new york knicks though the number four seed right now in eastern conference there thirty seven and twenty eight year. That's the same record as the lakers. If you're trying to play that game That game will be at home in paul arena tonight for the denver nuggets. The the negative are three and a half point favorites but chemical yokich in company Do what it takes to get the job done. Seven o'clock tip off tonight a couple of games and note around the league portland. Who is who is battling with the lakers. To play into that play in game they take on the cleveland cavaliers. So that should be good. Opportunity for portland win. Phoenix taking on atlanta. Hot streak would continue on as well. Utah playing playing san antonio tonight as well So those are those are some games to watch in the nba. Let's go to the ice with the colorado avalanche some love yesterday talking about the colorado avalanche. Being good i mean. I know that there's good. I just don't know hockey well to tell you why they're good other than they're really fast and they score goals. I do think the colorado avalanche look. I may have may not have downloaded a a gambling app in the beginning of the puts money on them to win the stanley cup. I definitely did that. But take on san jose tonight. Seven thirty puck drop in that one Through our Back rolling me karan. And they of this will wrap up the series with the san jose sharks And looking at the ads are looking for a four game. Sweep over san jose thirty four and twelve vegas lost last night So they're only two points back to the vegas golden knights in the west division three game winning streak answering that three-game lose can they make it for tonight Find out seven thirty again pucker up now before we go. That's that's the action going on. But there were some. There's some off the field stuff denver. The denver broncos might the most intriguing bad team that has ever been out there really because they have had so so much. you know. They're always in the discussion. I it was shawn watson. Could they possibly go out. And get to shawn watson. All the weirdness. With the shawn watson find out that he's he's truly just a creep off. That goes way now. All of a sudden aaron rodgers might wanna come to denver. That's there's more consistent reports saying that. That's the team. The denver broncos of the team that keeps coming up in conversations for aaron rodgers. That would be fantastic. I would be the happiest man ever. If there's a way to get aaron rodgers and the dude holds a grudge. He still doesn't talk to his family for something that happened. But on top of that. Todd set aside aaron rodgers. Their right tackle position is john james. Maybe the worst free agency. Get of all time is john james. The worst free agency get of all time for the denver broncos yesterday he tears his achilles tendon in a workout from the denver broncos facility in in and not as career rather sorry in his season. And it's it's probably gonna. It could very well in his career team sources told. Espn that james suffered a torn achilles tendon in a workout away from the broncos facility that is key right there away from the broncos facility that means they don't have to pay him ten million dollars this year simply because he wasn't working add working out at the broncos facility giving james injury occurred when he was knotted the team's facility it could be classified as a quote unquote non football injury or in the broncos would be obligated pay james his nine point eight five million dollars base salary. James has played sixty three snaps. The broncos over three games combined all in two thousand nineteen since he signed a four year. Fifty one million dollar deal with denver in march of that year. Sixty three snaps in three games. That's id james late. In the twentieth and seasoning it suffered a torn meniscus as well as a torn mc l. in separate games that season then he opted out of the twenty twenty season in five seasons with the dolphins seems battled a variety of injuries and did not start more than eight games in consecutive seasons. So this is going to be. This is going to be interesting now. How how do the broncos handle this because if he was actually working out then do you blame the guy for trying to work out. I mean would. This have happened if he was using the broncos facility. I don't know no one can. No one can say but if they end up not paying him his ten million dollars. I assure you players around the league will have their butts back in the team facilities tomorrow if they don't pay him because why i mean what's the risk it's risk reward man. They don't pay as ten million and it's all these people who all the nfl players who are so worried about this covert thing that they're not working out at the facilities and i don't know it's it's it's a tough all but if they're working at these not working the facilities of worried about covid and they get injured and then it costs them their contract. Yeah that's that's that's a little scary Domeisen messy games the action from any of the colorado sports by visiting the tavern at saint michel square. It half price wine and whisky wednesdays. Well if you need that that little push to get you over the hump here. This week visit the tavern at saint michel square lome. No you heard about them right here on. Kfi am ten eighteen the time ten nineteen time rather when we come back on the side the liberals who can't quit lockdown. Let's let's let's dive in. Let's open this. Can of worms noko now right here in northern colorado. The voice thirteen ten. Kfi northern colorado's voice is thirteen ten. Kfi tanner will be back. After the break here mornings with kale weekdays six to nine northern colorado's voice thirteen term. Kfi listening Listening to a state up comedian and He was talking about his experience. Wisconsin and this man walked into a store without a mask and the woman says sir. Where's your mask. And he doesn't miss a beat goes covance over find a new cause and walkout and that was that was i was kind of funny response from the man as you know who knows if he was fully vaccinated who knows What the case was But there is a certain group of people who won't buy into the science of the vaccine Lurking him on the jubilant. Americans venturing back out to bars and planning their summer. Wedding travel is a different group liberals. Who aren't quite ready to let go of pandemic restrictions. Okay this is from the atlantic the atlantic dot com. I hate. I don't hate don't like that. They say liberals. Who aren't because i'm sure there's conservatives out there now probably not as many conservatives out there who are not ready to go out there yet but so when they say liberals who aren't quite ready to let go of pandemic restrictions. There's my opinion on the matter. Is that. I do believe that there's probably some conservatives out there as well For this subset. Diligence against cove. Nineteen remains an expression of political identity. Even when that means overestimating the diseases risks of or setting limits far more strict than what public health guidelines permit in surveys democrats express more worried about the pandemic then republicans do people who described themselves as quote very liberal are distinctively anxious this spring after the vaccine rollout had started a third of very liberal people were very concerned about becoming seriously ill from covid. Nineteen compared with a quarter of both liberals and moderates according to a study conducted by the university of north carolina. Political scientist marc hetherington. Now and again. Keep in. Mind what i've said about some of these studies and surveys. We don't know we don't know the the data behind it as to how many they talk to the age group the demographics things like that forty three percent of very liberal respondents believed that getting the coronavirus would have a quote very bad effect on their life compared with third of liberals and moderates so. This is obviously tied with us. It is the extreme left. That is so worried about going out into going back out into society that it's causing a problem And this is where the term trust. The science has to stick around. If you're gonna bark and yell and are you all year last year about trust. The science trust it now. Trust that the numbers have gone down trust. The vaccine is effective. If you've taken it trust of the number of people who are vaccinated is only continuing to grow. Put the trust in that science. And let's move forward. I'm not accented. I decided i had covert back in january. And there's there's a plethora of reasons why i am not vaccinated and i don't feel like it's anybody's business but mine to know that but i'm not afraid to go into the community wasn't afraid of you know before because look at the personal riskier. The people that i have in my life had kobe. I'm of the demographic that was not a serious was not a serious virus for me. And so we move forward. For many progresses. Extreme vigilance was in part. Oppose about opposing. Donald trump is the donald trump effect is still here. Some of this reaction was born of deeply felt frustration with how he handled the pandemic. it could also be knee-jerk heavy said keep schools open then. Well we're going to do everything in our power to keep schools closed. Monica gandhi professor of medicine at uc. San francisco told me gandhi disguises herself as left of left but as alienated some of our ideological peers because she's advocated for policies such as reopening schools. And establishing a clear timeline for the mask mandates. We went the other way. In an extreme way against trump's political politics gandhi said geography and personality may have also contributed to progressives causing some of the most liberal parts of the country are places where the pandemic hit especially hard and hetherington found that very liberal participants in this survey tended to be the most neurotic. This is gonna be fun to continue to watch and continue to monitor this woman. A professor of medicine at uc san francisco describes herself as left of left that she would oppose anything that donald trump said that she would do. The exact opposite now says okay. We we got him out of there. We won now. It's time to do these things but that that way of thinking hasn't necessarily rain true for a lot of people that thought process for a lot of people still hasn't hit home and we continue to push in one certain way the spring of twenty twenty one is different from the spring of twenty twenty scientists. Know a lot more about how nineteen spreads and how it doesn't and again this is where the trust the science trust. The science trust the science. Trust it when it's telling you that you're safe you know. I didn't think he heard all these people that are were saying. All people may be aren't ready to come back into society and this and that what how many people is that. Because the vast majority of people that i know either side of the political spectrum are ready to be back into society we are instinctively creatures of needing to talk with people. We need to be around people. We need to have this. We're instinctively that way and when you have we don't have that for too long. Then things start to get a little wonky. But this article out of the atlantic that we've been working through continues just to show that some of these progressives he's left of left type of people don't care whether the science says it safe or not those were vaccinated on the left seemed to think over-caution now is the way to go which is making people on the right question. The effectiveness of the vaccine gandhi That that was the the woman the public health Professor for uc san francisco public. Figures policymakers who tried to dictate others behavior without any science justification for doing so he wrote trust in public health and make people less willing to take useful precautions. The marginal gains of staying shutdown might not justify the potential backlash. I will tell you that it does bug me. It bugs me a lot. We've got the vaccine out there. The numbers are heading in the right way and yet we can't just move forward this mask mandate still in place by the governor of colorado albeit. Not nearly as effective. Because he's he has handed things over to county control. It's still there but even things. Like what the cdc had to say about. I'm telling you that you can take off your mask doors now. Didn't we know that wasn't how i golf was so popular last year was because of that. So if you're on the left and you're still worried about going into society. I suggest you do what. You've been preaching to everybody on the right for so long. Trust the science speaking of golf or golf course of the month is the greeley country club. i don't know if you've been able to get out there and check it out. They've got a lot of renovations out there. And really the the membership rates out there are not that bad and the course courses just phenomenal. We were able to broadcast a home plate in forever. That course will kick my butt just because you gotta hit straight and i'm not great at doing that But the course is a phenomenal condition. they've got a number of different memberships for younger people For all the way up. They've got just a social membership. You're not a not a golfer but you wanna be a part of a club you know. And they've got these brand new brand new indoor golf simulators in their basement that you can check out as well. The greeley country club is the golf course of the month. Here in may kept shaver. Cod perhaps network joins us when we come back on the other side here on noko now but first. Let's get to the bottom of the hour. News weather center a power trip. Weekdays eleven on thirteen ten. Kfi k no go into to conservation thirty eight. Welcome back into the auto collision specialists studio. I m -tainer schwendt next wednesday. You will be hearing a lot different fashion. I will be down at state volleyball. Which just found out earlier this week moved to colorado springs. It was supposed to be in loveland. I don't know if i'm just behind on things. Or what the cases we'll be in loveland won't be loving. We'll be colorado springs wednesday. I don't see this is why we bring a kevin schafer kevin schafer call press kevin. You probably knew about the change in the volleyball to colorado springs months ago Not months ago a couple of weeks ago they officially announced that they were gonna start at At norcal up there in the loveland areas you mentioned and then he was probably. I dunno seven to ten days later. They made the change down to colorado springs world arena and and basically it was based on spectators Even though counties now have the freedom to make decisions on how many people are led into certain facilities and certain events and so on. It's just a little looser side guidelines down in the colorado springs area In their county than it is still in larimer county so that was part of the reason for the move was to allow more spectators in. And i think right now. The ideas to let up two thousand spectators in per session. So hopefully that'll even be loosened a little bit more. By the time we get the next wednesday but right now stands at about one thousand per session yeah the instill still not that bad. And how are they breaking. Out of sessions. Kevin is is it the first game in the seven game or first match match or is it just by the individual match by the individual mandate. I've actually got the match scheduled for three hours. Apart on start time ten or so first matches will be eight in the morning. Then that let let people in to watch that set of games and then they'll clear the gym and the next set will start at eleven then two and then five and then eight so again. They spread out the games quite a bit. And they're not gonna start in the past know you've been there and they have a court per class so as soon as the first match gets done they roll right into the second one in the third one in the so on it and that's not going to be the case this year. They're going to be hard hard. Start times in another change only four courts ten or so the teams are going to be moving around a little bit or the classes are going to be moved around a little bit You know for a for example. We have two games two quarterfinal games at the same time on wednesday at eight o'clock. That's never happened before because each class had their own court so going to be a little bit different up Just four course. Instead of five and single elimination tournament just eighteen in each bracket so a little bit different but Again we'll get through and and the idea to move down. There was to allow more fans into the into the games to be giving me up real early for that Eighty three classification there kevin Let's start and about the street because normally state volleyball one of my favorite favorite events to cover and broadcast because of the parade of champions things like that. You just talked about some of the changes. But we we're gonna have some. We're gonna have some damn good volleyball going on three. We got eaten and resurrection christian starting things off. Res- is a gritty team. Do you do you forecast any sort of an upset. They're not in that one I think eating toughest challenge to the finals could be in the semi-finals if they get lamar. Now lamar is unbeaten. Their forty eight and owen sets this year. Sixteen match wise and having dropped to seven pm. Played the competition for lamar to win the state title. They may have to get through three teams in the patriot. They opened up with. If they get by there. Which won't be easy. They would have to deal probably with eating in the semifinals. And then they're sterling lurking on the other side of the bracket so feasibly four lamar if they're going to win. This state title going in undefeated without dropping a set. They've got a tough road to go and and for them to be honest with you. I think it's better to face an eating reds club with all that tradition before the championship match because once eaten gets there they're typically locked in and ready to roll and grab another championship trophy. So i think the key is maybe getting them a bit earlier in the tournament. And so and i'm not sure can get by am but again it could be a tough one in the semifinals because the reds will get either lamar or university. Which you saw. They went to five with. I think earlier in the years absolutely. Yeah that's that's gonna be an interesting one. I was talking with actually with one of the one of the parents Over there in eaton and she knows volleyball incredibly well and she said you know. I'm just glad lutheran in sterling. How each other so that one could get can get figured out. That's going to be. That's going to be one heck of a match up as well. It is and Believe sterling took them out in the regular season. I'm traveling right now. So i don't have notes in front of me. tanner. But i believe sterling Defeated lutheran toward the end of the regular season in a non conference game so they have to be the favourite inbound one and of the patriot league team sterling. Got the best draw because they're the only patriot league team on their side of the bracket if they get by you're going to die if they get by lutheran then you're dealing with montezuma cortez or prospect region the semi-finals both those teams are quality this year but neither has great tradition at the state tournament. Cortez there the first time in a long time cross spec ridge. I think there are third trip in school history. So they're both might be happy to get there while lobbies other teams have locked in ideas of winning state championships. So of the patriot. League teams i think sterling has the best draw deck with kevin schafer syrupy four by four v. i. p. guests here ahead of the state tournament. So we and we had this conversation. Believe his last week Kevin talking about the single elimination. That's that's a lot different than what these these teams are used. Because if you don't come out sharp in that first one okay you can bounce back and find your way all the way back in. What do you do. You think we're gonna see teams. Come out maybe a little more tight because they know they've got to win this first one. But i think the ones that haven't been there. Maybe the ones who have been there Most every one of those have been in a situation where they have to win to stay alive. Even though it's been a double elimination bracket or pool play round in the past before they moved to this format They've still been most of them in an elimination scenario. Where some of these other teams haven't so again. I think this year especially we're going to see some of the teams that have that tradition. The ones that are used to getting to this round of volleyball. I think they're the ones that's going to advance the new comers the ones that haven't been there i think this is a little bit different scenario for them a little bit different formats what they're used to be seeing so i think we're gonna see these teams that we're used to seeing playing in the championship. The eaton's the cheyenne mountains of the world chaparrals or the mountain vistas of the world. Those kind of teams. I think are advanced through the tournament in each of the classes. Well and yeah. The three three classification will be great. I i like eating again. Until proven otherwise. I mean they just have been dominant their four classification windsor kind of leading the charge. There as well any any surprises. Anything that you're looking for that stands out in any other classifications ahead of state volleyball. Kevin forty it'll be interesting. You mentioned windsor. Because that division has been dominated by the pikes peak. Lee lewis palmer or cheyenne mountain. At kinda won the championship. Almost the last. What is eleven twelve years in that division. So it's going to be windsor against colorado springs in my opinion because windsors the number one seed but you have five other teams from that colorado springs region. I think four of them play in that pike's peak league that are competing for the championship. So again they've got their work cut out for them against an area. That is just tremendous in volleyball. I think cheyenne mountain is the two seed they have to be considered the favourite number. Six palmer ridge. That's very low seed for the bears. Most of the voters have them number one or number two most of the year they kinda fell down the seed ladder because of tough competition late and they also were missing their top center. Who's one of the best in the state. So they battled some injuries. If they're healthy they could be a team to watch in this for a tournament but Again i have to go with the team down in that area. Cheyenne mountain palmer is the favourite. So windsor The one thing. I do like about them last year. They were on the five hundred level. And i don't think a lotta people expected them to make push in the five bracket because they played in four league. They showed up. Well one a couple of matches and did their program some honors with that now back into where they're better fit in four and with their veteran coach laverne houston. That's a team to watch as well. But typically that division comes with a champion from colorado springs colorado springs area. I mean it does tend to to put a bunch of a bunch of teams in their you know louis palmer Seems to always be there like you're talking about poem ridge to that when you talk about side down in the rankings. The reds did that. Heck that it'd be two three years ago i think they fell down Maybe as far as maybe ran an eleven team. Maybe my mind's going off on me but They slipped out and then made it all the way and made it one heck of a run because they were playing up playing the lewis palmer's and palmer ridge of the world. Yeah we've talked about that throughout the season. Would you rather have a twenty one and a record or be sixteen and five and play a very tough competition. I'll take that ladder sequence because you're battle-tested and again Most of the teams that. I expect to push forward those teams that have been there. The cheyenne mountains. The eagles fleming in class one. A for example. They've been there done that so they're not going to be phased by anything that's thrown at them. They're not gonna worry about where they're seated in the bracket they know right now. They have to win three matches over two days to win a championship and so that's their mindset talking to kevin schaeffer kado preps network kevin So we've got we've got this. It'll be rapa wrapped up with the seasons. See moving onto season d. you know. We've got baseball already. Seeing some of the stats come in. I forgot how dominant some high school pitchers can be and how big of a deal that is to have in high school baseball. I know a pitcher out of severance goes with fifteen strikeouts only allows a hit yesterday and severance gets their first win over thompson valley in program history. But what are you looking for for this baseball season or this kind of the time that you can sit back and watch a little bit get enjoy high school athletics And it's kind of a feeling out process for baseball right. Now we've already had a ton of cancellations because of the weather and schedules already Reimagined sterling in university for example. They were supposed to play. I believe on monday night actually got pushed back to tuesday and now they're season Their their next match up between the two is on june ninth. And that just sit. That was weird to me to talk about today. in another situation that they're going to match up again in the regular season on june ninth and so That's gonna be weird to play that far into the summer with high school sports and and where we're seeing it impacted tanner in the front range area. There's a league. i believe. It's the four a metro. They've already lost couple of lacrosse programs because they could not get enough players out for the high school season because they didn't want to miss their club campaign so It's gonna be interesting to see how many kids that start with high school baseball girls soccer or boys or girls lacrosse here in season. Dna finish out the season when we get there at the end of june because there will be pressure on them to go play more of a schedule with their club teams than there with high school team. So i think that's something to watch as we progress through may and june here and and that's a conversation that we've had a lot talking about these club sports and things like that and i do hope that they do stick through it and see it in june but then he started talking about well. Football teams can't go to to camp over the summer and the effect that that's going to have because it's really going to be a month off before the season starts back up august. Yeah if you're a baseball player and you play in the state finals your june twenty six and then if you play football you looking at i think in august two on august three starts at practice. So you're right. It's about four weeks in between two school years if you will or sports here so it'll be interesting and i know fatigue and injuries. We've talked about that as well Always keep an eye out for that. But it's just a weird here and we'll do our best to get through it. I don't think there's a good answer or a bad answer to how we schedule this. Because again. This has never happened before. But you mentioned club volleyball. That's why we're playing. The state volleyball tournament on. A wednesday and thursday is because that big crossroads tournament is the pollen weekend friday saturday and sunday and they don't want kids to have to make a choice. You try to win a championship trophy with your high school team or do you try to get nationally recognized for chance at a college scholarship but a premier school by playing for a high level club team at the crossroads event so again. That's why we've seen the scheduled for volleyball. Move to mid week to accommodate some of the girls in their club schedule. Well kevin. i know you can't wait for it to be Normal timeline again and get back into it and neither can i. We're we're we can sit up and we know on friday night there's going to be high school football and it starts in august and ends in november. I am looking forward to that and having all three hundred schools competing in football at the same time of year would be extremely nice again k. Kevin real quick. What are you working on. What he got out there We're getting ready for like you said the state volleyball tournament would be doing capsules on all forty teams it'll be down in colorado springs and We can't forget about spring football. I know they got a lot of headlines but they're semi finals this week so teams it win on friday and saturday. They advanced for a chance to win. Their gold ball The knicks thursday. Friday and saturday down in public. So we don't want to forget about those kids because they're working just as hard as everybody else. Yeah there's no kevin hey do me a favor. We have the coffee ready for me by eight. Am on wednesday next week. Coffee cup coffee. Okay i i usually do the do so. That might be the option as opposed to to caffeine kevin. I appreciate it my man. We'll talk soon all right. See you next week. Thanks kevin schafer. College preps network Thanks to for joining us today. Ten fifty three. Let's take a break. We'll come back on the other side. 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The Steelers Preview, Part 2: Why worry about the Steelers future QB right now?!

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The Steelers Preview, Part 2: Why worry about the Steelers future QB right now?!

"This episode is brought to you by hp plus in a world full of smart devices. Isn't it about time. Your printer got smart to now. Printing is smart with hp fuss and the hp smart app is how it all happens. You can print from your phone with just a tab no matter where you are even from your garage slash home office slash. Go studio smart. Hp plus learn more about smart printing at dot com slash. Smart or i pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to the second segment of the steelers previews just myself and dave scofield. Both co editors of behind the steel curtain dot com. Always say we wanna make sure the behind the curtain dot com your one stop shop for all things. Pittsburgh steelers have all sorts of content for you film room breakdowns. Predictions commentary Everything you can think of breaking news you got it and if you're listening to us on a podcast maybe just stumbled upon it. Make sure you find us. Wherever you get your podcasts apple podcast google play. It in spotify doesn't matter subscribe You have to do. And as i said in part one youtube go to youtube dot com search. Bts's steelers radio subscribe to the channel like videos. It all helps. We appreciate you all right. So we're talking about quarterbacks here and the the infatuation i feel like that is the correct term to use the infatuation steeler nation has with trying to figure out. Who is the next quarterback. When ben rothlisberger lease now this past offseason. The steelers made a decision that they gave mason rudolph. You've mentioned this part. One dave a one year extension on his contract so if one year extension on his. What does that tell you when they did that. What does that tell you. Because he is the only quarterback currently under contract for the twenty twenty two season now. Dwayne haskins is a restricted free agent. They can still bring it back rather easily. There's the void years with rothlisberger. Dave when they gave mason that contract with a tight that told me they were covering themselves to make. Sure that someone you know. At least at least they needed at least one option moving forward and that to me. It tells me that they feel that that he was even lets. You say that's what like you said this many times. What is ben. Rothlisberger comes back what this is not his last year. Okay then you must hold on. Oh no but i understand that they even give mason rudolph the money that they feel he would even deserve a backup. You know yet. They didn't break the bank to say you're definitely going to be a starter. But then they at least have an option. It's it's about options with. That was my next question. Was if what if you know the contract situation so much better than i do. Explain to me and our listeners. If the if rothlisburger decides. I'm coming back. I still feel like i football left regardless of how this season's he decides. He wants to play next year. What happens with the void year in his contract. How does that work okay. Well he has four void years. Yes and if all those burger doesn't come back. All the money from those four void years comes do next year is to cap it. It'll be ten point three four million. Which when you think about it. It's way better than what was it going to be was it. Nineteen nineteen points. I think it was nineteen. It would have been this year or nineteen and a half. It's been forgotten about it because he's got a new deal. It is my understanding. I'm just gonna say this. This is my understanding. I've tried to dive into this with the i've tried to look this up. There's not a lot of times. Were players have void years and then they come back some still trying to get a definitive answer but my understanding is. Let's say ben comes back for one more year that pro rated bonus of the void year. It doesn't all come do but the next year's would come do 'cause like right now. It's spread out to like two point five eight five million dollars. I'm looking at it. That's how i can spot father's number to say over those four years. I'm pretty sure if he comes back with a new contract. Those that doesn't go away that those would continue in there and the next year that he doesn't play it would come. Do that is my understanding of it. Someone could re educate me on that. And show me how that is. Not the case and i would understand. But that is from what i've been able to find. That's the best answer. come up with. Okay okay that's good enough. You know it is it makes sense and it's just the formality of it. All is what. I was concerned. Co curious about go back to mason rudolph. I think that this deal is wanted to guarantee like you said they had. They had someone in the system. But let's talk about dwayne haskins for a little bit or maybe. Let's stop for sack. Do we even talk about joshua dobbs or joshua does felicia our girl felicien live chats. She is on the joshua dobbs strange. She thinks that he did. I wanna give her a shoutout. She said that but still. Do we talk about joshua dobbs here at all is even worth the conversation. Just a camp arm now. Jeff joshua dobbs is who they have if it's twain haskins isn't what to be the best version of what he can be. If you understand. I mean remember you and i did are predicted. Fifty three man roster. I had dobbs's the number three. I did not you had askins. Yes so what. I'm saying is until dwayne haskins comes in and shows that he is a better option. I still get the advantage to dobbs. Dobbs doesn't have to show he doesn't have to show anything better. He just has to show that he's the player that they know he is. If you know what i'm saying and then haskins has to show that he's better than that. Does that make sense. Does jerry josh dog. He's a rocket scientist. Why would i not love him. Jeffrey benedict is in the live. Chat causing a ruckus and. That's not the right one. You better than that trying to get him. Yeah pakistan which. There's a lot of people that a that dwayne haskins just paxton lynch point now go. I don't know if i buy that. I don't know if i believe that i have. I have high hopes for for dwayne haskins. It has nothing to do with ben roethlisberger car wash quote which for some reason people freaked out about and you know i had someone on the live. My wave locker room podcast. He said oh yeah he the bawden get way because he missed the windows into the doors it was like is that i don't think so. I think you said the right thing when it comes to haskins is he can look great now. But how's it gonna look when he's got three guys coming at him and he's got to step up and read the defense make the throw. I mean he's out there with no pass rush at no defenders throwing to wide open receivers. Yeah i mean granted. That's how you have to start. That's how you get your timing down to figure stuff up. But i mean that's just step one. We can't completely evaluate except one. Get him to step for gay where you know. Nfl action having to get it done. So there's a lot of well. I can't remember what podcasts. It was where geoffrey geoffrey bennett said. You know then. There was hodges who he wasn't a step one guy. He did not look impressive that way but you put him under pressure under fire and he would rise above he was one of those. He was one of those. You know. step up in a game kind of players. So that's what you see do you. Do you have someone. That's going to rise above their practice level and gametime or are you going to have someone that's going to crumble on under the literally pass pressure you know i mean i'm excited and i. I didn't entire article on this. I didn't hire podcast on this. I am excited for this. Preseason yeah i said it. Yeah i said it i believe it. I am excited. I think fans should be excited about the preseason. We were deprived of that last year. And i loved how chase claypool when he spoke with the media during ota's said how he was really happy that the rookies got this time because he didn't get this time last year and he talked about how when he showed up. He didn't know anyone. He felt awkward asking ben questions because he had no rapport with him. I mean everything was virtual. I'm a schoolteacher. I know how weird it is win. We finally got back into the school building on meeting some students for the very first time in person you you were just a little dot on screen like he. I'd have never seen you before i. It's probably the same way for these athletes. So i think you know this preseason is going to be telling mason. Rudolph did not have a preseason last year to show if he has really gotten better. It wasn't until a week. Seventeen you know week. Seventeen is when obviously we got to see whether it was a little bit of maturation. There is a little bit of improvement. I'm excited are you said for the preseason date i'm really exist. Preseason actually what. I was the guest host. I guess you would say last night on the steelers curtain call or i was filling in for michael beck after he filled in for me on tuesday. If you didn't check out those shows you go back and check out for sure those. But you've got to be ready for jeffrey. And i because we were ready to talk. We went over a little bit so but one of the things you're talking about is how much we can't wait for. The preseason and i said something that jeffrey has never been said before. And i said i'm i'm excited to watch that defense. Get out there at watch. Cue from the you. And cassius marsh lining up outside linebacker. They can do and he says no one in history ever said. They're excited to see gadgets marks on on the you elise call them the i gotta. I forgot the nickname. Oh my gosh. so there's a so many talking points felicien latch. Ed says okay. Jeff during the hall of fame august. You feel ben's gonna play four quarters know who do you think snapping. Maybe he will. Maybe you'll play a series. I don't know. I don't know i think so. You wouldn't think with four games that they would go off their typical script for the preseason in that normally was if banning addresses it's a series than get off the field. Get to all right. Not in that game again. I don't see him in that game. Honestly i would not be shocked if we don't even see it. We would often that game. Wouldn't shock me. Now chuck me. He do need to see him. Maybe not nat- game but you do need to see him i would. I would start mason in that game. The dallas cowboys hall of fame. I would start raising a couple of series couple of drives in an as you start taking some of the players out now. I wanna see who goes in next is in dobbs or is it haskins. And how are they going to hand. There's so talking points you know what you wanna do. Hold on. I was looking at up. What you ultimately want to do. Is you want to in that hall of fame game. I'll shoot. I can't come up. Come on come on you you want. i seriously. What liked to see dwayne haskins. Start that game because believe it or not In his time in washington he never played against the cowboys. Oh that's interesting. I don't know why would yeah. Because because his two years there he was not the starter in his rookie year. It was the cowboys was in week. Two and then the cowboys was week. Seventeen and he didn't play in that game and then they played the cowboys in their to gate twice in the middle of the season last year. When he wasn't a quarterback remember he was at the beginning and then kind of towards the end. Yeah for your without at the very very end right right right right now. I'm excited for the preseason joshua. I think it's petric says besides a najji rookie. Are you looking forward to seeing the most. The preseason since we're talking about the preseason as last question what would you think of dave kinder- green forget besides -nology i wanna see. That's well that's my number because you've got a plan to give it precedes. And he's a rookie and right now. He's not your guy to start. And the reason i'm looking for him is i still don't think i wanna see him start week one. I really do. But i don't think he will. Unless he shows let's he pulls marquees pouncey. That just goes to show. You can't hold me back. You've got to put me out there. I'm by far your best option. So could that be the case. It could be my putting that expectation on. I don't want to. But i still wanted to see if it's a possibility if you know what i mean. Yeah and when you think about the offensive line. They're going to have them as everybody they hit are going to have to play a little bit in game zach. Banner chew chor four on the left side. Kendrick green like you mentioned and gambling kendrick. Green will start at center. At all but Any other players are kendra green that you're excited to see all got know. What kind of debt you have it outside linebacker gotta look for q. q. From the u. Of course naci. But i don't know that they're going to run into death too much in the preseason just but i i do think you'll see i don't think they're gonna hold them out unless he's injured or something that i don't think they're gonna hold him out of the hall of fame game i think they'll at least give them a little bit there. How the nella do you think that offense is gonna look in the in the preseason. That's the only thing we're not gonna get a true judge of what we might see. We might see shovel pass. It's already ruined. That one would see that. Maybe we'll see that play but now it's shoveling deal right. Yeah faking while it's an option play. 'cause if you watch the clip again is the coach that was basically being the outside linebacker edge rusher and the quarterback had to read the edge. Rusher pichit it's sweet or inside shovel. I've i've seen enough the inside shovel in recent years. I don't know if i wanna see that. Be reincarnated so all right We talked a lot about quarterbacks. Did put a comment in the both fun facebook on youtube that if anyone has a question for the show we have some time. We haven't done the cuban a section of the show go So we'll see if we get a couple of questions Here we go. Joseph francis question for the show named three. Nfl in missed it there. We go three. Nfl starting quarterbacks you believe mason can unseat today. Three starting quarterbacks that he could unseat. You're saying who are three quarterbacks starting in the nfl right now. That nason raf is better than off to think about. I go for today one. I don't know if you right now. I would say jalen hurts. Okay i agree. I'll go with that one Maybe sam darnold in carolina. I'm not sold on him. Really what is he proven that he's proven to be almost the same guy yeah. I'm sorry i'll say i'll say this. Europe will laugh but he's been so hurt banged up. he's not who used to be cam newton's off lamer and if cam newton's not the quarterback and they go back that was to be whoever's hit new england cam newton cam throughout the ball twenty yards is throwing motion is so messed up after a shoulder injury. The ball seems to always skip on the ground is it. it's just a crying. Shame adding to the government. Gosh so let's get dave shipley. He gives five dollars. Thank you for the tip. David appreciate it. Hey guys looking. Forward to inside linebacker ponder that's right big press presley harbin. I don't like brian's elvis thing. I don't know why. I gave up frothy mute. He said he unlike its ads. Probably not my best. So i went at. He's everyone's go with cue from the you aren't they does. That's great. i like that. I like it if he could actually show up. We could make that assured. I like that but i go press because big prospect is named presley but also the guy squad over six hundred and fifty pounds at georgia tech. He's a monster. In the weight room anyways he said Looking for it inside linebacker in potter. Because they're special teams should be the most talented. They've had michael beck right. That article for biden courtesy days ago. They are gonna have a lot of talent inside linebacker though. i'm curious. is there really even battle there. I mean you're going to have vince williams in situations. You're gonna have roberts splaine devon bush obviously is coming back. I mean not that it would be a battle. But is it buddy. Johnson right is. Johnson wasn't in the the the linebacker they johnson. Yes yes this might be your only chance to see him an inside linebacker unless there's a bunch of injuries you know so if i mean maybe maybe he'll play well enough that they'll work in but it could also be march. What would be really good for johnson. He's going to be a special teams. I'd see him being active on game day as a special teams if he shows these capable of that but he might get the lusting jane treatment of no snow defensive snaps as a rookie. And as you know what. I'm saying which is five which is good news which means the steelers aren't having to call on him but i am curious to see what he can bring old lust and jane. Yeah in my buddy. Holly smoker doesn't understand normally judge. You gotta go back and listen to my wednesday wednesday. let's ride yep young as a question He says momma computers gone slow. Do you think the the steelers defensive ask can cover the bengals wide receivers if the front seven doesn't dominate. It might be Two ells on our record. Okay they do have a lot of talented wide receivers. They wanna crown crowd. They are who we thought they were. Yeah don't know. Cincinnati doesn't really scare me right now they still don't have a great offense of line to protect joe burrow there. They could have to say the job done. I mean you might be able to get it done with four of them. You know what i'm saying. You know they could have gotten a really good offense. He didn't get him. they let him instead. They wanted to pump these wide receivers. You know we'll we'll see how it plays out. Maybe he'll be a fantastic wide receiver. Maybe i don't know i will say this. Tyler boyd is a player. I've loved to see him. Black and gold rule never happen. But anyhow we went to pitt but i mean boy I love that guy's game. I love that guy's game. If if juju smith schuster were to leave in mr expecting him to do that and make it somehow. Get tyler boyd. Say boy would miss thing. He's great Dennis ask will. Ben be calling plays like in the past in my opinion. Unless it's the four minute or two minute drill. I don't think so. I don't think so dave you. What do you think I'm going to give a dave answer. He's not going to be calling plays but it's not like he's not. I mean there's a lot of time in the nfl. Send in two or even three plates and then you're actually deciding what you're running out of that formation based on reading the defense pre-snap so it's not that he's going to have a decision in what's going on with these things but it's not like like you say unless it's in in a two or four minute drill where he's completely where he's pointing to the guys and putting them where he wants and then doing what he wants to do. If you're at your let's just say if they're not going no huddle if they're huddling up. I see that it's a play or plays coming in. And then they make that. Call for the scrimmage. That's just what. I think. I agree you hundred percent felicia. She put this comment insist. No presley is big six. If you ever play dominos when you get big sixty slap down like take this in. She puts them emojis. I don't know much about domino's we never play dominos. I learned how to play the game. What is presley harbin's number. I mean i can let you know here real quick. Did he take duck. Hodges number. I was thinking he did the analogy. A one big would be good. Someone also calls him thick kick kick. I heard i remember. I've i remember someone sitting in for thinking. oh shoot they. don't have it there to look somewhere else. Nine we'll get to the next question here. Yeah andrew andrew who does tremendous work for the website by the way. Thank you very much if you ever wanna read his. He's doing quarterback breakdowns for the twenty twenty two nfl draft class. And we've been running those weekly so make sure you check those out but he asked. What is david sex. It's a big six. Big six may be felicia found something. They're all right and he has big two hundred sixty pounds if haskins develops into a reliable backup. Would you consider trading rudolph. You can get a day two pick in return. Do you really think they could get a day two. Pick for mason rudolph home see. That's my that's my first That's my first reaction. Is you really think that you would get a second or third round. Pick for mason rudolph. Not what i do. But what i would i get. I don't think you get a second. I don't think thirds out of the realm of possibility. Because you gotta fit for josh dos. Right so if i if you were to say right now what i think he would get by. Guess would be fourth. But so you're on the verge. That and i don't know that i do it for a fourth because it's not like you're going to get a viable backup quarterback for in the fourth round. You know what i'm saying. He will treat draft picks like they're so golden like. Oh wow you could get a third for that. I mean third round picks guarantees four. Three picks definitely are guarantees. I mean especially. If you're thinking about a quarterback so yeah maybe they could. But i someone offers a one. I think i might take it. Garner one snow. I hate how every time a big name player gets traded by. I my first thought. Every time is what the steelers godfrey antennae brown guys. See who got a second round. Pick in some change. Now it's like my gosh. The steelers ground yeah. Antonio brown was the best wide receiver in the game. I people say legions nonsense nonsense. He was the most dominant wide receiver the game when he was in pittsburgh in his prime anyways. All right and the raiders. Still got fleeced on that train. Dirt in fifth returned. One of those pick turned into johnny johnson. Right the third round. Pick you up in the fifth. You know it who was it. Zack tintri great a dud. Okay okay you got so little value for and you still completely trade. They didn't even see him. Play a snap. Gosh with give the steelers. I guess anyways aright you have trivia i do. I do but see remember. Deontay done this before. The update johnson ended up with the steelers. Thanks to sin tonio homes because it was the it was the fifth round. Pick that the steelers got for san antonio homes for the jets that they traded to arizona. Who picked john skelton and return. The steelers got their sixth round. Pick and brian mcfadden back and that sixth round pick turned into antonio brown who then when they traded him they got janta johnson. Wonderful okay trivia. I did this trivia based on what ended up being my my stat geek. Not this week but the week before. This was my trivia last week I had it all ready to go. So what i was gonna do it again. And then i'm like then. I don't have bryant edge got jeff but then i realized i kind of asked part of this question before so this might not be terrible if you if you can recall and that was when i was looking back at steelers third round draft picks. How many of them started week. One and continued starting for the season. Do you remember how far had to go back in the eighties wasn't it was nineteen fifty-three rally that was the last time. He third round draft pick started every game as a rookie. That was the last one then. There was some other ones in there that you could say was pretty much close enough but still going back to the merger. The pittsburgh steelers have had two hundred. Seventeen rookies start at least one game. How many players. How many rookies started every game their rookie. Year since nineteen seventy. How many rookies started every game every game since one thousand nine hundred seventy three credited with with the stars approaching automatic co quick in nineteen. Seventy eight starts because he's a partner. You know what i mean. Gosh this stupid caveat. Two hundred seventy one two hundred seventy seven gene. Whatever it's late I'll go with a five. You're not that far off it's seven. Oh seven seven players have. The next part was going to be the fun part with brian. But you still might do all right. I'm going to give you the year. See if you tell me the player ready. Two thousand ten. The player that started every game rookie. That started every marci. Pouncey markets patsy two thousand and one. Rookie thousand one come on man get alabel yet is kendra bell gang then. The next week for that one was nineteen. Ninety-two now you're gonna lose me here. See i wasn't. I was nine. You were too young. Yeah it was. It was eighth round draft pick. Darren perry know yeah number thirty nine so then go to ninety nine to to go back before that you had to go back to nineteen seventy eight first round. Pick cornerback ron johnson. Nineteen did you better get this one. Because that was the last one where it was sixteen games. The last year the list it was fourteen games. how about eighteen. Seventy four seventy four. Yes so that was their famous draft right. Who out of those players. Do you think what started. Every game as a rookie was a swan swan now and it was not stallworth. Lambert that would be jack lambert. He's regained their second round. Pick forty sixth overall. Then the last two there's one from nineteen seventy one but it was their fourth round. Pick the white white and the one thousand nine hundred seventy no. It wasn't terry bradshaw. No it wasn't mel blunt. It was second round draft pick wide. Receiver ron shanklin every game as a rookie. So and it's funny earlier tonight in in the in the live chat right before the break. Someone said a comment. Because i was talking about mason unwrapping of a third round pick. First they said. Terry bradshaw wasn't a first round pick for several first overall and remember. Bradshaw was not good as i two years. Now he was through. What was he three and five in eight games as a rookie and five and eight in thirteen. Starts funny store at talked about this before. There's a guy worked with in. He's p teacher. He actually went to penn state he was the starting running back for penn state. He was on joe paterno his first ever team At penn state he was the mvp the orange bowl like he was legitimate player. He's he was a pallbearer. At paul. At joe paterno funeral. That's how close he was the paternal family. He was drafted by the steelers in nineteen sixty nine same years. Joe greene any talked about his second year. When they drafted terry bradshaw he said i've seen a guy have so little touch on football. In my life they withdrew. Were doing these drills where it was just a little. You know up plants her foot out route in the tight ends and running backs. Were doing these drills. He said he would throw the ball as hard as he could. Every single time. And i forget the tight end at the time they took the ball one time threw it back at him and told him to knock it off. Like what are you doing. He's and he's trying to break your hands. He had some great stories by the way about the steelers in chuck. Noll's first few. I two season. He blew out his knee and had to go playing canada. the great some really cool stories here jeff but you got to look at these numbers for bradshaw nineteen. They're awful. he was eighty three to eighteen. That's thirty eight point. One completion percentage listen to this. He had six touchdowns to twenty four interceptions. It wasn't a four to one. It was a one to four. Chuck knoll hated him. Yeah and you tell. Here's this looking for a reason the bench if he was a third round draft pick in season two probably dot but first round and i overall you give the guy a little bit of time It's got was my point with the whole notion. That's a good call later. Bring it full circle. We had a series of what he had as sole by dollars. Thank you very much. I do want to see. More of rudolph's technical floating bombs. That's a great way of describing his passes last season week. Seventeen they were lot like tech mobile the first tech mobile not super tech mobile. I felt like when super tecmo wall came out. That's when you had all the nfl teams. Your playbook expanded from four plays to eight. The quarterbacks had a little bit more zip on the ball but does is a great great description. Thank you very much for the tip by the way all right did you listen to the steelers preview. Last week i did I was gonna ask you the trivia. I mean what was asked brian to questions right. One of them was earlier and it had to do with the mighty ducks. Are you familiar. Remember you guys. We're talking to kenny kenny. Williams he's kenny. Woo hoo kenny wu. Tang and our how much. How much did arthur rooney stan to by the steelers. I remember you asking that question. Remember what the answer is my guest. Because i i was mowing grass listening to it. You know got the headboard inside. The noise cancelling headphones and i'm listening. I'm like my guess was gonna be six qe. Brian twenty five hundred and that was the ratings right answer. yeah now. it's worth three billion dollars. I was really close on that one. I guess was two point. Five billion well. It's crazy because i remember just few years. Good dallas in washington were the only two teams in the nfl worth over a billion and now it's just gone a lot most of them all right. Let's see some final thoughts here for. We gotta show david go ahead. Oh my goodness. I usually have five minutes to convert library final thoughts. I do really miss brian. Anthony davis tonight. And i tell you what. I really really missed last week. I was very disappointed. I could be on the show. It was my son's tenth birthday. His his special tenth birthday trip was to actually go ride in uncle richest fishing boat to go fishing so we were out on a lake fishing with with big bros. Go who is quite the fisherman and it's funny like how'd you think i was mainly just hanging out and watching. My son have fun. But unfortunately i couldn't get back in time for the show really miss my time with you guys. It just didn't seem like by week was complete without steelers preview and even this week he doesn't seem it doesn't seem totally complete without when. Brian davis we miss you bud. Hopefully we'll get you back soon. But this talk of the preseason and the talk of the quarterbacks and everything else just so much just goes to show how last year we were just so happy to have football at all this you are. The goal is normal football. Get back to that. Preseason get back to. You're not having to check the reports every morning to see if there's an outbreak or something to where where games are going to get rescheduled like they were and things of that nature now. If that's what it has to come to again in order to have football we get it. We would will live with it but if we can even back to more normal football having the preseason being in latrobe fans in the stadium. I can't wait to get to the games i'm going to. That's what i think is going to make twenty twenty one just extra special regardless of how the steelers start oppa season. But you know what they're going to start off already. W but what is stephen puts in the he said factor fiction jeff. Shoes to seventy seven next. He's talking about golf here. I've talked about golf. My let's ride podcast. I am going to try to play this weekend. i do wanna play eighteen. Oh said apply kids and they don't typically handle eighteen holes. That's a long time for them. So normally just play ni- nine with oswald so i like to play eighteen if i can shoot seventy seven on my home course. Which is. it's a tough golf. Course at i seventy seven you'll hear me talking about it. We'll put it that way. I play last time. I played was back wheeling west virginia my hometown and went home Over memorial day weekend. I played with my daddy as a standing teatime at seven. Am and such a beautiful day. A high of forty three degrees or forty three degrees There was a light mist in. It was windy beautiful golfing conditions. I'm joking it was miserable. Showing eighty one with three double bogeys. I wasn't too upset. If you can shoot eighty one to three doubles. I'm like okay. I did have some good shots in five. Just shoot a double. Bogey on every hole usually. That's my goal double-bogey. I get that off. Vogue it at a win. That's a major win again. We don't play the same golf courses. No seventy seven. what forty you talking about. I don't do that. Say seventy seven is my gore. I not my my low round is. I've shot under par before my life. I shot sixty nine on the day after thanksgiving couple years ago. Actually all right so no. I don't use a lacrosse. Stick this get outta here. Y'all bob alright. So seventy seven. That's my goal for the next time out. Thank you steven. That's my final thought for the night Sure you check us out. Online and steel curtain dot com. Where get your podcast subscribe. I really hope that all the people that are watching live on facebook or youtube do check out our morning shows. that's my. Let's ride every monday wednesday friday. That's dave stack on thursday. That's also the live mike with michael back on tuesdays. They're totally different. But they're also really really good all of them so check him out. Wherever you get your podcast all right. Dave are centers out. There it is. We'll see you next week daisy.

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The 1968 Chicago Protests - The Trial of the Chicago 8 | 2

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The 1968 Chicago Protests - The Trial of the Chicago 8 | 2

"The United States district court for the northern district of Illinois eastern division is housed in the federal building in Chicago's loop. It's plain black steel and glass, stretching thirty stories into the sky on the twenty third floor hundreds of prospective jurors sit in silence as a judge address the room. It's jury selection time for the Chicago eight and things are not going well for the defense. Those accused are charged with conspiring to cross state lines to inside a riot. With teaching the making of incendiary devices with committing acts to impede law enforcement officers in their lawful duties objection is it possible to recite that charges in a less, dramatic fashion. Your honour sounds like Orson Welles reading the declaration of independence overruled may I proceed Mr. consular lead defense attorney William consular sits down. Dejected. Yes. Your honor? Now where were we MS Peterson? What is your current marital status? I'm married. Your honor concerns to his cO, cancel Leonard wine glass. Now, he's ignoring all our questions on purpose. He is judge Julius Hoffman. He's a seventy four year old Republican any prides himself on quick and efficient jury selection, but consular wants these jurors to answer real questions like do you have any hostile feelings towards persons whose lifestyle differ considerably from your own, do, you know, who Jefferson airplane country, Joe, and the fish, Phil oaks or the fogs are do you consider marijuana habit forming in other words, how likely are you to be biased against the eight counterculture radicals about to go on trial? But the judge is in having it normally for such a high profile case the court would spend several. As carefully selecting twelve. Jurors and two alternates next your age twenty one year on thank you. That'll be all judge Hoffman gets the job done in one day. You're dismissed. When it's over defense co counsel. Leonard wine glass stares at the jury in disbelief ten women two men mostly middle aged Jesus Christ. Typically, Bill consular has a lot more faith in the system than his clients. Do he voted for democrat Hubert Humphrey, a few months ago in the contentious nine hundred sixty eight presidential election when he walks into a courtroom he believes in the blindfolded lady with the scales? But now consular's faith is getting a serious test and the trial hasn't even started. He glances over his client terms to wine glass, and drops his voice down south. They have term for a judge like this. What's that? Judge. American history tellers sponsored by the audiobook edition of the first conspiracy in this fascinating new audiobook bestselling author Brad Meltzer teams up with American history writer and documentary producer Josh Mench to unravel shocking. Historical mystery to listen to an excerpt. Visit McMillan on your dot com slash I conspiracy based on extensive research. The first conspiracy reveals how in the months leading up to the revolutionary war. There was a secret deadly plot against George Washington, and how Washington himself uncovered it. And it's all brought to your ears in the audiobook by narrator, Scott brick start listening now at MacMillan audio dot com slash I conspiracy. From wondering, I'm Lindsey Graham. And this is American history tellers our history your story. This is episode to our special series on the trial of the Chicago eight we're telling the story in collaboration with another one repot cast legal wars hill. Harper who host that show, and who you just heard will be taking us through the drama in the courtroom, the trial captured the nation's attention, even in the midst of almost unprecedented political turmoil. Things had come to a head in August of nineteen sixty eight when riots consume the city of Chicago during the week of the democratic national convention, thousands gathered to protest US action in Vietnam and the cops crackdown. It was wore in the streets. The federal government blamed the protesters and brought charges against eight prominent activists, but the trial was about more than just who threw the first punch during the trial. The radicals establishment interrogated each other relentlessly on one side, the eight liberal defendants, Abby. Hoffman, Jerry Rubin. Bobby Seale, Dave Dellinger, Rennie Davis. Tom hayden. John FRANZ and Lee whiner on the other side, representing the US government judge Julius Hoffman. And the sitting mayor of Chicago, Richard J Daley it was a battle for the soul of American culture and both sides plan to win by any means necessary. On the first day of the trial spectators, hoping to glimpse the action lineup around the block starting at the crack of dawn it's early fall, but already freezing Chicago, strong winds blowing off Lake Michigan can chill you to the bone local news troops film cameras at the ready huddling vans. Ready to jump out when the defendants arrive the police as always are on hand in case. There's trump. One by one the defendants enter the courtroom and almost immediately the theatrics begin. The jury will please disregard the kiss blown by defendant. Hate the defendants are charged with conspiracy to travel interstate with the intent to incite organize promote encourage participate in and carry out a riot. John phones and Lee whiner are charged with teaching others how to make incendiary devices and the other six Hoffman. Ruben seal Hayden Dellinger Davis are charged with inciting violence added up each defendant faces ten years behind bars, the prim proper and perpetually outraged assistant US attorney Richard Scholz is here to remind the jury why the government, ladies and gentlemen of the jury will prove in this case the case, which you will witnesses jurors and overall plan of the eight defense. In this case, which was to encourage numerous people to come to the city of Chicago people who planned legitimate protest during the democratic national convention, which was held in Chicago in August of nineteen sixty eight from August twenty sixth through August twenty ninth nineteen sixty eight they plan to bring these people into Chicago to protest legitimately protest as I said, creating a situation in this city where these people would come to Chicago would riot the defendants in perpetrating this offense, they the defendant crossed state lines themselves defendant. Tom Hayden is a pretty brilliant, man. But even he is having trouble following this meandering opening statement. He looks over at the jury they seem as board as he feels Hayden notices. Several of the jurors looking back in his direction Schultz now naming the defendants says Tom Hayden Hayden. Sheerly salutes? The jurors with a raised fist judge Hoffman. Immediately cuts the prosecutor off Mr. Marshall, please excuse the jury from the courtroom the jurors leave Hoffman continues and addresses Schultz. Who is the last defence you named Mr. Haden, the one that shook his fist in the direction of the jury that is my customary greeting your honor, it may be your customary greeting. But we do not allow shaking fists in this courtroom. I made that clear it implied. No disrespect for the jury. It is my customary greeting, regardless of what an implies, sir. There will be no fish shaking. And I cautioned you not to repeat it with Hayden cautioned. And the jury brought back in Schultz continues to state the government's case against the defendants. He outlines a three step plan. These alleged conspirators employed to invite protesters to Chicago with the explicit goal sparking a violent large scale confrontation in some then, ladies and gentlemen. The government will prove that the eight defendants charged here conspired together to use interstate commerce and the facilities of interstate commerce to incite and to further a ride in Chicago. It's now defense attorney William counselors, turn to speak, and he has one central point to make he readily agrees that there was a conspiracy. But from his point of view this conspiracy wasn't hatched by his clients sitting in some dark shadowy basement somewhere plotting to ensure the streets of Chicago ran red with blood. No, instead, he points the finger in a different direction, which raises the stakes the real conspiracy was against these defendants, but we are going to show that the real. Conspiracy is not against these defendants as individuals because they are unimportant as individuals. The real attempt was the real attack was on the rights of everybody all of us. American citizens all to protest under the first amendment to the constitution. Consular is pleased with what feels like a solid and well put opening statement. But when he sits back down he can see his clients are furious during a recess they let their lead attorney habit. What the hell are you think it that was your opening statement? This was our chance to tell them. Why were really hear what we're really fighting for calm down abbey. You blew it. Bill. Can't even believe this Tom to you. It's not about our right? It's not about the first amendment. We don't care about any of that. What we care about is the soldiers dying in Vietnam. I thought you understood. It's two sided Leonard wine glass will make these points when the defendants return to court, but he can't every time he mentions Vietnam. Judge Hoffman tells him not to talk about antiwar positions. Finally, judge Hoffman yells at him. Mr. Weisglass, I think you're persistency and disregarding direction of court and the law in the face of repeated ammunitions is contemplation conduct. And I so find it on the record. He's accusing wine glass of outright disrespect and refusing to obey the judge's thority. That's going to be a theme throughout the trial. Opening statements complete more or less, the fundamental question is established are these eight men often profane often theatrical always outspoken in their criticism of America. A sinister cabal did they advocate for violence in Chicago. And get exactly what they were hoping for. Or are they well intentioned idealists unjustly facing punishment from a duplicitous federal government trying to squash dissent, just who are the Chicago. Eight. Judge Hoffman has forbidden cameras in the courtroom, so magazines newspapers and TV networks send sketch artists to depict the drama as it unfolds on day one cartoonist Jules Pfeiffer, captures judge Hoffman resting his head against his right hand in oppose of wearied agitation part of what he finds so irritating about these radicals is that they're radical in different ways, the eight have recognized this from the beginning. It's the government that decided to try them as a group forcing them to appear in court together like some sort of protests super team is their mutual respect between them. Sure. But Tom things Abby and Jerry waste time with their endless clowning, Abby. And Jerry thing. Tom is square up tight? Dave Dellinger believes there's no excuse for violence for any reason, ever, Bobby. Zeal is a Black Panther who believes in the right to armed self defense whiner and Freund are Spiring professors when abbey Hoffman thinks about at all. He just has to laugh these guys in a conspiracy. Hell they can't even agree on lunch. But judge Hoffman is not laughing. He sees a group of defendants and their lawyers clearly scheming to undermine his court. I wanna make a statement just a minute, sir. Who is your lawyer Bobby Seale looks directly at the judge. Charles r Gary as judge Hoffman knows along with everyone else. Charles. Our Gary is not in this courtroom Hoffman asks the jury to lean the courtroom for the third time today. It's only eleven o'clock. Maybe you forgotten so much has happened already. Charles are Gary is Bobby seals lawyer, but he isn't in the courtroom because he's at home in California recovering from gallbladder surgery. Seal tells the judge he doesn't want consular or Leonard wine glass to represent him. He wants Gary Gary asked Hoffman to postpone the trial for six weeks while he regained his health. But the judge refused. William consular gets up and tells judge Hoffman that to make an opening statement on Bobby seals behalf will compromise. His client's position that the trial. Can't go forward until he has the lawyer. He wants judge Hoffman replies. I don't ask you to compromise it, sir. But I will not permit him to address the jury with his very competent lawyer seated there if I were to make an opening statement, I would compromise his position that he has not his full council here. Mr Seal, you are not to make an opening statement. I saw order you. You are not permitted to in the circumstances of this case with that judge Hoffman asks the prosecution to call their first witness, Raymond Simon corporation counsel for Chicago in the city's top attorney takes the stand. He's up there because ABBIE Hoffman and Jerry Rubin approached him on August eighth. Nineteen sixty eight requesting permit for protesters to congregate in Lincoln park the week of. The democratic national convention Simon turn them down Rennie Davis and others from the national mobilization committee to end the war in Vietnam suit and Simon met with them. He says to try and find a solution prosecutor Thomas foreign addresses Simon. What did Mr. Davis say he said, if the city doesn't give us the park, there will be tens of thousands of people without a place to stay, and they will go into the parks and the police will drive them out, and they will run through the streets of the city, and there will be disorder and conflict and problems and the police will fight back, and there will be tear gas and Mace and Billy clubs. Davis didn't get what he wanted his lawsuit against the city of Chicago was dismissed meaning that if he and his protesters wanted to demonstrate in Lincoln park, they'd have to do. So without a permit the world saw what happened next tear gas Mace and Billy clubs. This begs the question was Rennie. Davis clearly leader just being irresponsible when he decided to go ahead with the rally knowing what could happen or as the prosecution has clearly suggesting was violence the goal all along. September thirtieth day five tensions ratchet up a notch prosecuting attorney Thomas foreign addresses the court. I was informed. Just about the time. We were to come to court by the FBI that they had been informed that one of the jurors had received a letter or her family had received a letter that certainly could be a threatening nature. It is a dress to the king family eighty one. South Carolina, crystal lake Illinois, six zero zero one four it is written in script. You are being watched the Black Panthers. Bobby Seale quaking with rage whispers to his co defendants. That's a forgery. We never signed anything the Black Panthers. It's always the Black Panther party. Or if we'll be informal. The Black Panther party for self defense. There are actually two letters both sent to Christie king. She's young and through. Her sister has a connection to the peace corps. The defense sees these two points as being in their favor. They could also explain why someone working against them would want to frighten king off the jury. Defense attorney consular like seal knows the letters are bogus and tells the judge so we are at the point your honor where the defendants has seriously made a statement that they believe that the two letters in question were sent in some way by some agent of the government in order to prejudice them further in this trial. That is their position. I think they have publicly stated it and that is the position which they take judge Hoffman scoffs he sits elevated ten feet above the floor behind him hang several frame portrait's of the founding fathers Hoffman is certain those great men would be rolling in their graves if they could hear what was just said he squinched down at the defense table. I will let you try to prove that right now that is a very grave charge against an office of the government. Well, we obviously can't prove it your honor. Then don't say it. This is the clients. -sition that is my statement to make a statement like that is irresponsible. It's clear Kristie king is already badly rattled now. She's under judge Hoffman's microscope. He says to the young woman have you seen either of these letters? No, your honour. Well, then you'd better just take this right now and read it Christie does as instructed now knowing how you and your family have been threatened. Do you believe you still be able to remain impartial in this case Kristie king's face Redden's? She looks quickly at Bobby Seale then away quietly. She replies. No miss. King. Your services are no longer required in this trial. You are dismissed. Kings replacement is a woman named cave Richards who just happens to be engaged to mayor Richard Daley's supervisor of personnel. Judge Hoffman does not see a conflict of interest over the next month. The prosecution calls witness after witness all of whom testify about their certainty that the defendants intended violence one is Robert Pearson. A police officer who went undercover in order to get dirt on behalf, man. He explains how for his assignment he altered his appearance to come across a little less cop like and more like a radical. I loud, my hair to grow long. I loud myself to go without a shave for proximity. Four to six weeks. I purchased the tire of motorcycle gang member, which is more of a cycle boots. A black T shirt black Li lies in a black leather vast and a motorcycle helmet Monday. August twenty six nineteen sixty eight did you. Have any occasion on that day to go to Lincoln park? Yes, sir. I did Jordan introduced me to ABBIE Hoffman. He's at abbey. This is Bob. He will be one of your bodyguards. I said to Hoffman that last night's confrontation was a pretty good one and often said to me that last night they pushed us out of the park. But tonight, we're going to hold the park. He then said that we're going to any used a foul work f up the pigs and the convention. What was the word, please? Will you relate it? Fuck. As the first month wraps up a separate an ongoing issue reasserts itself since the opening statement debacle judge Hoffman and Bobby Seale have barely been able to exchange. Three civil words on Monday, October twenty seventh day thirty four of the trial the situation escalates seal again tells judge Hoffman that he wants his lawyer. What about my constitutional right to defend myself and have my lawyer, your constitutional rights. You are denying that you had been denying them. Every other word you say is denied denied denied denied. And you begin to only in the face of the masses of the people of this country. That is what you begin to represent the corrupt -ness of this rotten government of four hundred years. Ladies and gentlemen, of the jury I regret that I will have to excuse, you, hope you don't blame me for anything and those false lion notes and. Lead. Is that was sent that said the black parents party threatened the jury it's a lie. And you know, it's a lie and the government did it to tank. The jury against me. Over the next couple of days things between Bobby Seale and judge Hoffman. Get even more intense. I am warning you sir that the loss dead. A warning. Why don't you wore me? I have got a right to defend myself. I am warning you that the court has the right to gag you. I don't wanna do that under the law. You may be gagged and chained to your chair gagged, I'm being railroaded. Alright a court has the right and court has no right whatsoever. The court has no right to stop me. From speaking out in my behalf of my constitutional rights. The court will be in recess until tomorrow morning at ten o'clock. Everyone will please rise. I am not rising. I am not rising until he recognizes my constitutional rights, Mr. Marshall see that he rises Mr Seal and the other one to get all the defendants to rise Mr. Haden. Will you please Ryan? Let the record show that none of the defendants has the court will be in recess. The following day October twenty ninth ABBIE Hoffman makes observation. They're twenty five marshals in here now, and they all got guns. It's clear that the marshalls are here in force and armed for one purpose to keep Bobby Seale and his supporters in the courtroom in check. It's a startling image a trial already filled with them, and it's not going to be the craziest thing these people say. American history tellers sponsored by the art of shaving of all the things you do to get ready in the morning, your shower making the coffee, maybe even ironing your shirt, shaving is probably the worst. But maybe not anymore. The art of shaving was created to help men. Enjoy every moment of their shave by elevating it from a mere act too. Well, an art the art of shaving began with an original recipe for pre shave oils that soon evolved into a complete start to finish shaving ritual. Call the four elements of the perfect shave. 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The seals were just a few of the millions of African Americans who left the south as part of the great migration, they wound up in Oakland. Joining the growing black community there at eighteen seal dropped out of high school and enlisted in the air force. He lasted three years until he got kicked out for fighting a commanding officer seal was court martialled than dishonorably discharged. He was told. He had just five minutes to get off the base he replied, when are you going to do with the other formats and fifty nine seconds because it won't take me any time to get away from here. Seal return to Oakland where he worked in a sheet. Metal factory by day and finished his high school degree at night. Seal sought to continue as education at Oakland's Merritt college, a seemingly. Ordinary decision that would have a major impact on the civil rights movement in the early nineteen sixties at Merritt college seal stood out he was outspoken, political and anti-authority he immersed himself in black nationalist literature studying the teachings of Malcolm X and joined the afro American Association one day during a rally in west Oakland CO came across another young black man making a name for himself on campus. Speaking to riveted group of about two hundred fifty students about the Cuban missile crisis. His name was Huey p. Newton Newton was born in nineteen forty two the seventh son of Louisiana sharecropper, and Baptist preacher. He was named after Huey P long. The populace Louisiana governor assassinated nineteen thirty five the Newton's like the seals wound off in Oakland. As part of the great migration there Newton and Seale shared, a mutual respect and bonded over their commitment to radical black activism, they fought to get black studies. And other afro Centric courses at into the Merritt college curriculum and on October fifteenth nineteen sixty six they founded the Black Panther party for self defense. The previous year had been difficult for those in the civil rights struggle, Malcolm X had been assassinated on February twenty first nineteen sixty five shot twenty one times while addressing an audience in Manhattan the following month. Bloody Sunday occurred in Alabama hundreds of protesters marching from Selma to Montgomery were attacked at the Edmund Pettus bridge by state troopers who beat them with nightsticks and sprayed them with teargas though. A major victory came with the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five just days after it was signed into law riots erupted in watts a black community in Los Angeles. And response to news of a violent traffic stop in which a white officer, kicked a pregnant black woman. The riot lasted for six days caused millions of dollars in damage and resulted in thirty four deaths, but for seal in Newton it was an. Vent of the next year. Nineteen sixty six that was likely the last draw. Matthew Johnson an unarmed? Black man had been shot to death by police in nearby. San Francisco seal in Newton felt that this incident further prove that black people couldn't expect protection by the police. If anything black citizens needed protection from the police and the Black Panthers reformed a month later, the symbol for the party, the image of a crouched and snarling black. Panther was borrowed from the Lowndes county freedom organization in Alabama. The panther leaders felt the symbol neatly summed up their philosophy as Newton put it. It's not in the Panthers nature to attack. I, but when he is attacked and backed into a corner, he will respond viciously seal. Newton drafted a ten point platforming outlining the party's beliefs and demands, including an emphasis on self defense to raise money for guns and ammunition. They sold copies of chairman mouse little red book on college campuses. The Panthers felt it was critical to keep an eye on the police while the cops patrolled Oakland, the Panthers patrolled the cops Newton and Seale saw to it that the Panthers acted as a deterrent to police brutality in the East Bay the party gained national prominence in may of the next year. Nineteen sixty seven when thirty armed Panthers arrived at the capitol building and Sacramento to protest the signing of the Mulford act. A Bill that prohibited. The carrying firearms and public the Panthers tried to enter the semblance but were denied access some members including seal were arrested and charged with disrupting legislative session upon release. Seal stood in front of the police station and issued a forceful statement. The Black Panther party for self-defence calls upon the American people in general and the black people in particular to take careful note of the racist California legislature, which is considering legislation aimed at keeping the black people disarmed and powerless at the very same time that racist police agencies. Throughout the country are intensifying, the terror retali-, murder and repression of black people the way, the Panthers sewing guns were essential for protection in their environment. After all the cops were armed and always would be the Panthers maintained the goal was an end to violence, but were adamant on how it should be done. They stated we are advocates the abolition of war, which can only be abolished through war and in order to get rid of the gun. It is necessary to pick up the gun. This was not Dr king's brand of activism. The Panthers were much closer to Malcolm. Xs more confrontational philosophy channeling, Malcolm Newton promised we will change society. We will use whatever means are necessary. We will have our manhood, even if we have to level the earth yet another aspect of the Panthers that made them distinct was their emphasis on Marxist Leninist idiocy they were concerned that the legal political advancements. King was fighting for would only benefit middle class blacks, they felt working class people from which seal Newton came would be left behind the last of their ten point platform stated we want land bread housing, education, clothing, Justice, and peace. They also pioneer direct social service programs in local neighborhoods, including a free breakfast program for children and medical clinics for the needy. But he was their militancy that drew most of the attention. The panthers. Clashed often with the police on October twenty eight nineteen sixty seven a shootout between the police and the Panthers left one officer dead another in serious condition and Newton with a bullet in the stomach. He was arrested handcuffed in the hospital while receiving treatment. Newton did thirty three months behind bars throughout that time. His fellow Panthers. Held frequent free Huey rallies in nineteen sixty eight. There was another high profile altercation with the cops one panther was killed and Eldridge cleaver was wounded cleaver gained fame for his memoir written in prison soul on ice, and he had taken a larger role in the Panthers after Newton's arrest over the next year and a half. The Panthers would tangle with police. Nearly a dozen more times new chapters were opening across the nation and public officials took notice they feared the spread of lawlessness and a rising tide of black radicalism. One of the most worried was f. FBI director j Edgar Hoover he called the Panthers. The greatest threat to the internal security of the country as early as may of nineteen sixty seven there were police raids on panther party offices by August, the FBI's operation called co Intel pro was at work with the mission of preventing a coalition of militant black nationalist groups. The same FBI program was also spying on other prominent black leaders, including Martin Luther King junior the bureau went to great lengths to interfere with unification efforts. Amongst black groups, Hoover's, greatest fear. It seems was a black messiah who would bring all the groups together and topple society to keep such a figure from rising the FBI employed informants spread misinformation and help the police in their rates. The most infamous of these rates took place on December fourth nineteen sixty nine in Chicago, the police targeted an apartment rented by Fred. Hampton, a Black Panther swiftly moving up the ranks in the party Hampton had done an effective job uniting groups within Chicago and had been recently promoted to the panther central committee, but FBI informant William O'Neill told officials at Hamptons west Monroe street apartment was being used to stockpile weapons and the hours before dawn the police descended upon Hampton his nine month, pregnant fiancee and several members of the party as they slept panther. Mark Clark was on guard that night and sat in the front room of the apartment with a shotgun. At the ready when the police kick down the door, they fired on Clark and killed him. As he took a fatal hit to the chest. Clark reflexively fired back. It was to be the only round fired by panther that morning. The police stormed into the room where Hamptons fiance lay sleeping, but Hampton did not wake during the raid because hours earlier William O'Neil the FBI informant. Drugged him by slipping barbituate in his drink. The police checked Hamptons vitals, and discovered that he was wounded but not dead. So they shot him twice in the head drag his body into the hallway and left him there. Then they fired into yet another room the Panthers they found there were wounded then beaten than arrested and ultimately indicted by grand jury on charges of weapons possession, armed violence and attempted murder in total the police fired ninety nine shots Panthers. Only shot once that was Mark Clark's. Involuntary pull the trigger as he was killed. Nevertheless, the police described the raid as shootout. Not long after the rate that was a break in at the FBI field office in Pennsylvania Coen, tell pro documents were discovered these documents reveal the floor plan of Hampton's apartment and a plan to conceal the FBI's role in his assassination this prompted a lengthy legal battle and in nineteen eighty two thirteen years after the raid, the federal government and Cook County settled with the survivors of the raid and Hamptons relatives for one point eight five million dollars or almost five million today by nineteen seventy twenty eight Black Panthers have been killed while two thousand more were arrested. The seventies would prove to be hard years for the party as always law enforcement threatened from the outside. But there also cracks internal division. Panthers disagreed with each other on the path forward. It was grave suspicion of informants. Who was also a leadership crisis as top officer faced legal cases and prison time Newton. And when stand jail until nineteen seventy cleaver jumped bail in sixty eight and then fled to Cuba. And of course, there was Bobby Seale when nineteen sixty nine face trial, Chicago alongside the seven other defendants you'll brought his experience with the Black Panthers into the courtroom, and whether on the streets in prison, or in court CO would fearlessly take on anyone who stood as way, even if it meant paying a high price. American history. Tellers is sponsored by quip is it possible to try to hard to stay healthy. If we're talking about dental hygiene than yeah. Many of us brush our teeth to horn, but not long enough a fast and furious sprint isn't the best way to treat our teeth. Quip is a better electric toothbrush. That can help quit as a stylish practical electric toothbrush with pulsing, sonic vibrations. 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Thirty six of the trial, and Bobby Seale and judge Julius Hoffman are still arguing the jury is once again asked to leave the courtroom, Mr Seal, I've admonished you previously. I have a right to cross examine the witness. What might happen to you? If you keep on talking. We are going to recess now. Young men if you keep this look old man, if you keep denying me, my constitutional rights, you are being exposed to the public and the world that you do not care about people's constitutional rights to defend themselves. Judge Hoffman reiterates his threat from the previous day. I will tell you that what I indicated yesterday might happen to you happen to me what can happen to me more than what Benjamin Franklin and George Washington did the black people in slavery. What can happen to me more than that? Mr seal. Do you want to stop or do you want me to direct the March? I want to argue the point we will take a recess take. Defendant into the room there and deal with him as he should be dealt with still want to be represented. I want to represent myself the Marshall turns to the nearest defense attorney William consular. Will you instruct the defendants serve that it is the order of the court that they will rise upon the recess. If that is a direction of the court, I certainly will pass it on let the record show. None of the defendants have stood at this recess in response to the marshalls require that direct show. He's all six marshals rushing and body seal. The other seven jump to their feet and Dave Dellinger. The pacifist tries to get between seal in the marshes. He's thrown to the floor. Get co founder Jerry Rubin hills for all to here. They're kicking him in the balls a Marshall punches him in the face, Tom. Hayden. Shouts above the Malay. Your honor? All he wants to be legally represented now be a slave here. The chaos of Chicago streets is now in your off me got pigs. Get off me the marshalls dragged Bobby into a backward. Bobby seals ankles and risk are put in chains. They get off. The marshalls tight thick white cloth around the back of his head and over his mouth. And then this is followed by perhaps the most shocking moment of all. He's brought bag in and the judge and Marshall's attempt to resume the trial as if nothing happened Mr. foreign would you like to proceed this is a true turning point? William consular can't contain himself. I wanted to say the records should indicate that Mr Seal is seated on a metal chair each hand is handcuffed to the leg of the chair on both the right and left sides. So he cannot raise his hands and gag is tightly pressed into his mouth and tied at the rear, and that when he attempts to speak, a muffled sound comes out as he has done several times since he has been bound and gagged. Bobby Seale has been muzzled but not silenced. Mr marshall. I don't think you've accomplished your purpose. Judge Hoffman orders yet another reset and the marshalls carry seal out once again still chained to his chair. When he's brought back in there's a plug like device in his mouth same story. The next day seal sits in the courtroom plugged and Enchaine's once again, he struggles against the marshes and share is kicked. At this point pandemonium breaks out again, marshalls elbow and punch defendants spectators and journalists the court sketch artist gets it all Lillian consular has never witnessed anything like this. And it's making him more radical by the second. This is no longer a quart of order your honor. This is a medieval torture chamber. It is a disgrace. They are salting the other defendants also. Yet. Again, the whole world is watching and the viewers at home have seen the hand-drawn images of the black men in chains on the front page of the morning papers. This is very bad publicity. Eventually seal is allowed to appear in court without the restraints the increasingly cranky judge peers down at the lead defense attorney Bill h Ray San Mateo county deputy sheriff is on the witness stand mister Kessler. Do you have any cross examination of this witness your honor since this witness only related facts relevant to Mr Seal who has as your honor knows discharged me. I have no questions. I think I have a right to cross examine Mr Seal. I asked you to sit down Bobby Seale is clearly not the kind of guy who sits down when he's told to sit down. He has some questions for the man testifying against him. Have you ever killed a Black Panther party member? Mr Seal, I will have to ask you to sit down. Please have you ever been on any rage in the Black Panther party's offices or Black Panther party members homes, Mr Seal? This is the third time. I'm asking you to sit down as courteously as possible. Judge Hoffman has the jury leave the courtroom you are making it very difficult for me, Mr Seal, you are making it very difficult for me judge Hoffman. Judge Hoffman seems to be building to something. Len Wein glass knows what's coming next. And isn't surprised when Hoffmann says I find the axe statements and conduct of the defendant, Bobby Seale constituted deliberate and willful attack upon the administration of Justice and attempt to sabotage the functioning of the federal judiciary system and misconduct of so grave character as to make the mirror position of a fine of futile gesture and a wholly insignificant punishment judge Hoffman then sentences Bobby Seale to contempt citing some sixteen instances of it penalty four years behind bars, but there's more there will be an order declaring a mistrial as to the defendant. Bobby G seal and not as to any other defendants marshalls return this time to take Bobby Seale back to prison as he is dragged away and spectator shell free. Bobby seale? Make sure he's heard wait a minute. I gotta right. What's the catch on to pull? Now. I can't stay. I still want an immediate Trump. You can't call it a mistrial. I'm put in jail for four years for nothing. I want my coat. The date is November fifth nineteen sixty nine the Chicago eight are now the Chicago Seven for Bobby Seale, this part is over. But for ABBIE Hoffman. Jerry rupe? Tom hayden. Dave Dellinger, Rennie Davis, Lee whiner and John phones. It's just the beginning. Next week on the third episode of the special American history tellers legal or series on the trial of the Chicago eight the defendant step up their defiance of the court and call a who's who of legendary sixty celebrities. Philosophers and activists to help them do it. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Subscribe to American history tellers and leave wars now on apple podcasts. Spotify Google podcast tune-in wondering dot com or wherever you listen to this show. 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