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"edwin stanton" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio
"Day from early May, Co hosted by the White House Historical Association and American Universities. First Lady's Initiative. A symposium on first First ladies and communications the principles. Diana Carlin ST Louis University professor emeritus, Stacy Quartering, Iowa State University at Ames. She teaches a course on first ladies and Christopher Brick editor of the Eleanor Roosevelt papers. Moderated for the conversation. Susan Swain of C SPAN next in American history on Chief Span radio. More of our lecture in American History Series we'll hear from Nicole Myers Turner, a professor of history at Virginia Commonwealth University. Here, she teaches a class called African American Emancipation and defining Freedom. This class took place in November, 2019 All right. So, um, today, um, we're going to be talking about the meaning of freedom. And I wanted to capture our earlier discussions about the meaning of freedom. And we thought about free communities free black folks in the north and the south. And how we kind of came up with this, Uh, way of representing freedom as freedom of the line through it. Not quite, um, freedom. To freedom, right? This question of freedom. And what did it mean? And so for today, Um, we're going to be talking about what did freedom mean And in particular, when we think about what freedom means to the free people, right, um and in 18 January 18 65 Secretary of War, Edwin Stanton. Um And Union General General William Sherman had a meeting with 20 preachers in Savannah, Georgia. They were preachers, pastors lay church leaders, Um, and they wanted to find out from these preachers. Basically, what is it that, uh, for free people wanted from freedom? What did they expect, and particularly want to know? What did they expect in the aftermath of the Emancipation Proclamation? And the group of 20 people who was essentially representative of free black folks in the in the community selected one person, Garrison Frazier, a 67 year old man, um, to be the representative of the community, right to speak for them, And so General Sherman asked them or asked him. Basically. What did he understand Freedom to me, especially in light of the Emancipation Proclamation, and he said, basically taking us From under the yoke of bondage and placing us where we could reap the fruits of our labor, take care of ourselves and assist the government in maintaining our freedom, right? And so you can start to hear some of the language from the Emancipation Proclamation, right? And it was assisting the government and maintaining our freedom. So we talked about, you know, sort of having the, um The people who were emancipated served in the military go to work and do that diligently. Reflecting that, but he's also reflecting, you know the ability to reach the fruits of their labor. So they're going to get the benefits of their labor. Right. The, uh, Secretary and the general ask some other questions like could black people will take care of themselves? Yes, they could. Um, what did they need? Land. Did they want to live among white people, Garrett? Some did. But Garrison Frazier did not. So in this discussion, we can start to see what it is that free people wanted from their lives, even as it's sort of couched in this, um so the governmental export exploration of what was freedom going to mean for the free people. They were already starting to assert what it is that they wanted freedom to mean what they wanted Freedom to be. Um And so I'm saying that this is building on our conversations of freedom and Three black life and how precarious it was. We're moving into a moment where freedom could actually mean something more right? So we're gonna start to think about what did that freedom mean when we think about it from the perspectives of the free people? One of the other things that were sort of, um, connecting into from the earlier part of the term has to do with this question of how do black people appear on the landscape of the United States? Right? And we started at the very beginning. The term talking about whether or not black people's experience of the United States is something about black people and identity formation. Or, if it's something about sort of pushing the nation to ask. People have said little to live out the true meaning of its creed. Right? So we're going to be thinking about this question of whether or not free people or were pushing the meaning of what This nation was supposed to be and what its founding documents sort of claimed for it. And in the process of doing that, we'll start to see how it is that, um, when people talk about when historians write about emancipation, and this moment of reconstruction that, um sometimes the question is framed the way that Sherman and Stanton framed it, which is basically what can the free people do for the country? And then there's this question of what did the free people want for themselves and When we think about the sort of longer process which we'll talk about over the remaining weeks about reconstruction and what happened a lot of times. What is that free? People wanted from them for themselves, get subsumed or crowded out by the question of what could they do for the nation? And I'm hoping that today we can kind of keep both of those questions in sort of imbalance here to think about the relationship of free people to the nation is sort of this project of building but also and probably more prominently what it is that free people want it for themselves. Um And so one of the ways that we're going to get in a couple of ways we're going to get at that is by thinking about these first sites of freedom. Right. So the first places where, um, three people, um, lived where they went to basically these contra, but they were called contraband camps, and I'll get into the language and why, but then really spending on majority of our time thinking about how free people define freedom and as many aspects of their lives, Nicole Myers Turner professor of history At Virginia Commonwealth University. But I wanted to start out with, um some of the what I call the sort of the first flat balance of freedom, right? The first people on the sort of landscape of freedom and that's the black soldiers, right? And when we think about sort of black soldiers, um many of them were free black men who enlisted, um, to support the union effort. Uh, some of them were self emancipating men who liberated themselves from slavery and went and joined the union ranks. But it was a real debate about whether or not it enslaved men free land free black men should support the war effort. And you can think about reasons why, if you think about what the experience of African people was in the American Revolution, for example, right and sort of thinking about what happened after the American Revolution..
"edwin stanton" Discussed on Wash FM 97.1
"Well, it's about as incredible as what Lincoln did with Edwin Stanton. Edwin Stanton was an arch rival of Lincoln hated Lincoln. When Lincoln ran for election the first time he called him an imbecile. And because Lincoln have long arms intended to walk a little bit like this, he coined of name for Lincoln. He called him the original gorilla. When Lincoln one he approached Mr Stanton and made him Secretary of War and when one of his advisors came to it and began a braiding him and berating him for how stupid could he be to put a man on his cabinet who called him a gorilla? You know what Lincoln said. And I quote, he said, because he's the best man for the job. End of quote. Abraham Lincoln was committed to doing what was best for this country. What was best for these men? Regardless of the abuse they gave him. That's what made him the man. He was. Did it change the way they felt about him in 18 65 when Abraham Lincoln was shot? Two of the very first people to reach his bedside were guess who? Salman T. Chase and Edwin Stanton and during that night when Lincoln lay dying across the street from Ford's theater here in Washington. Two people who never left his side were Salman P. Chase and Edwin Stanton. Early in the morning. When Lincoln finally died. It was Edwin Stanton, the man who had repeatedly called him a gorilla. Uttered these words and I quote here lies the greatest ruler of men that this world has ever known. End of quote. That's quite a change of attitude in five years, isn't it? The Lincoln you say, lawn That's so hard. It's not hard. It's impossible except for the power of the spirit of God in your life. But with the power of the spirit of God in your life as a Christian, you can do it. Let's pray. Heavenly father. There's nothing harder for us than when we're hurt nothing more difficult for us as people and when were mistreated. Even the best of us, Even those of us who've been Christians a long, long time. The temptation is so great to strike back and hurt back. Lord Jesus. I pray that you would remind us today that this is not your way. When we perform poorly towards you. You don't reject us because you have a got For us. I pray Lord Jesus that you would Motivate us this morning. This is the way you want us to live towards other people. Thank you for giving us the holy spirit living inside of us Who can give us the power to live this way, because we can't live this way, Lord. Naturally, and I pray for every one of the people here young people, older people that you would send us out this week as carriers of a supernatural lifestyle. Not only will be a blessing for us, but make a great impact for you on the lives of people. That we touch each and every day, Lord Jesus. Thank you for loving us the way you do help us in some small measure to love others in that same way. We pray.
"edwin stanton" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"That, right. Even then, the exclusionary policies of many banks and brokers and our laws ensure that only a few African Americans would get a toehold in the housing market. Before prices zoomed into the stratosphere. Which is why many argue that the wealth gap now is too large to seriously address without moving decisively to correct an old justice. If I'm not mistaken, 13 back during that short spell last school where every slave free supposed to get False lead. 40 acres and a mule. In 18 65 as the Civil War wound down President Lincoln ordered General William T. Sherman to come to terms with America's newly emancipated citizens. So he and Secretary of War Edwin Stanton gathered a group of black ministers that ask what they wanted. Garretson Fraser, a Baptist minister, who purchased his own freedom some years before spoke for them on land, he said, Have it, turn it Kill it would sustain them and even leave them something to spare chairman then issued an order allotting the newly emancipated a 30 mile track held by former slaveholders from South Carolina to Florida. Divided into 40 acre plots, and then he promised the army's help in supplying mules. Tens of thousands of free people settled in. Then we're driven out because President Andrew Johnson overturned order way had a promise that was taken back way holiday with me. Well, me being around heart black. I want my body you Thus was that promised parcel in the American south, recompense for centuries of barbarism clawed back, even a slave holders were compensated for the loss of their slaves. It took the agonies following reconstruction. The trampling of basic freedoms. The unbridled the exploitation gleefully executed lynchings to spur the historic exodus of the incompletely emancipated. Spring where.
Ely Parker | Part 2 | The Civil War
"Hello and welcome to Iroquois history and legends. I'm Caleb. I am Andrew we are continuing with our series on the lustrous Mr L. E. S. Parker last episode we talked about his early life is education his diplomacy with the United States and his job as a civil engineer, and where he finds himself, now is in between jobs, and at the brink of the civil war in the United States breaking out, and I'm GonNa sum this up. Up What had happened was we saw all these native American peoples being removed from their land and forced to move west across the Mississippi and into the Oklahoma territory with all these native peoples depopulated from the eastern United States that left all kinds of area that opened up for agriculture and farming, and this led to more tension between the northern and southern states, because you had people joining to rush into the southern and western states. And, they wanted to make sure that slavery was instituted these places because then they could keep their balance of power higher in the US Congress were they could get more senators or members of the House of Representatives to make policies that would guarantee the rights of the southern territories and states, so that's where we find ourselves in and states are rushing around to be declared slave or free, and then a Abraham Lincoln gets elected president, and all heck breaks loose now you may think hey, Parker. He became a captain in the New York. State militia right so he's probably getting ready for war to. But no, he wasn't called upon for his services in engineering in the military or anything so after he finished his contracts in. Illinois he moved back to the tunnel, Wanda reservation and began farming. He quickly became very bored Andrew farming was not the life for a man like him. Many of the Seneca were gearing up for war, looking to join the United States Army Parker went and spoke to his father. Who as you recall from last episode was a veteran from the war of eighteen twelve, and he received his blessing to take up the war, Pat, but Parker. He wasn't. GonNa go as grunt. He wanted to go as a commission soldier. You'd already been. been a captain in the New York militia, so he asked the governor of New York for a commission like a real commission is apparently the militia commissions didn't really count the governor of New York declined so then what did he do when things fail in New York do what everybody else does. Go to a different state. I'm just kidding, but he did. bypass New York state and try to go directly to the federal government. You know. He had some friends in high places in Washington at this point, so he said Hey. Captain in the New York State militia civil engineer. How about a commission? declined. He got a letter from the Secretary of war Edwin Stanton. Quote. Parker this is a quarrel between white men, in which you Indians are not concerned, unquote. Another federal official that he wrote to told him quote. Unquote and I'm sure. They said it just as condescendingly. Some people may have made departure that his lack of US citizenship. Maybe what's holding him back from getting this commission? Because this is the same time that we see, he actually applied for citizenship. Oh, how'd that work out for him? Mile had a lot like everything else to the government. He was turned it down again. So from eighteen, sixty, one to eighteen, sixty two, he worked on his farm, and he also worked for the Indians on the reservation. He penned one letter to an old militia General John Martindale where he jokes about being a bad farmer and eating a wife, he asked the general quote. If, he knew any strong, healthy, double breasted woman that would want to be a farmer's wife. Can you say that again? That strong. HOW DOUBLE BREASTED WOMAN! So I thought you said? Did you think double breasted? Okay then we're just. This is a family home to show after all so. We'll just leave it at that. I don't know it seems like pretty good things to look for in a woman. Was His. With a lot of single I'm. You were saying. Parker has been farming for about two years now any starting to think that he's never gonNA. Get his chance. But he did still have a few friends looking out for me and you. And they were a couple of friends that were becoming pretty influential in the war, and Parker didn't even think the contact them. One of them was the jeweler in Gallina, and the other was the grocer. They are now being known as General John. Smith and General Ulysses S grant. They actually said to themselves. You know who we could use right now is parker. Parker was joined to the General Staff with the rank of captain in May twenty, fifth, eighteen, sixty three, but you'll never guess Andrew. He found another complication and this one is coming from a different. Place than you would think. If you remember Parker was made a what. Saito in say tim was a life appointment. Holding has shown checks and balances aspect of the government. Say Chimps were the political leaders. And they could not go to war right? You would have a war chief appointed, and you would have your say. And you'll have your clan. Mothers Each end so now he wants to go to war, but he's a saint shown so Ariza. Wait a minute. Can you legally legally from the? WHO NEEDS schone standpoint? Can you legally go to war? So a meeting was held, and they decided that sense he would be a captain fighting in the war of the whites. You would not be violating the checks and balances protocol.
A brief history of presidents visiting troops in combat
"The only civil war battle that took place in Washington the battle of Fort Stevens President Abraham Lincoln gotten his carriage one evening and made an extra ordinary request he wanted to go see the fighting nobody of course not this was a very good idea but Lincoln did and off he went Lincoln wanted to support the Union troops he wanted to see the situation with his own eyes and he very nearly got himself killed as Brown's zipped over his top hat young officers shouted get down you fool. Lincoln Secretary of war Edwin Stanton was so worried about his boss that he ordered silence to evacuate winking was not happy he said I thought I was commander in chief Lincoln was not the first president to step foot on an American battlefield president James Madison was at the battle of Bladensburg during the war eighteen twelve but Lincoln's visit is often cited by historians in recounting the importance of presidents visiting troops in or near war zones to better grasp conditions to reverse public doubts into signal to both US and enemy forces the country took war efforts seriously veterans have split on the value of such visits with some suggesting that these so-called dog and pony show IOS obscure the realities of war and drain military resources to keep the president safe true or not these visits provide lasting symbolic images of presidents as commanders in war military as well as all the requirements team allied commander in Europe during World War Two Eisenhower made a bold campaign promise days before he won the nineteen fifty two presidential election I shall go to Korea our said the conflict there was spinning out of Control and Eisenhower promised to review reflieffactor military political and psychological to be mobilized in speeding a just peace eisenhower made good on his promise the next month as president elect he visited commanders and surveyed Chinese North Korean positions from spotter aircraft dressed in a thick parka. Eisenhower squatted on an ammunition crate and ate lunch shoulder to shoulder with soldiers photos of Eisenhower there were symbolically important showing him as a hands on leader but the visit had important policy implications to confirming Eisenhower's belief that the war had become a stalemate Eisenhower brokered an armistice later that July and set after that we could not stand forever on a static front and continued to accept casualties without any visible results according to historian Michael Beschloss and his new book presidents of war speedy and reliable air travel after the nine I'm too blunt negative public opinion Johnson stood in a jeep at Cameron Bay choked up Johnson told his troops I could not begin to thank every man in Vietnam for what is doing
"edwin stanton" Discussed on 1865
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"edwin stanton" Discussed on 1865
"It's fine. We'll all the same business Stanton often remarks that my foot has rather unusual fund us from my mouth. So please, forgive me. There's nothing different. That's actually why I'm here. There's something that I think that you need. No mister secretary about Lucy. All right. I recently made some rather unpleasant discoveries about her character discoveries that were made all the more unpleasant. Father's murder. It seems that miss HALE is not who she appears to be. Do you mean? Well, it was brought to my attention that she has been. Carrying on with another man both before and after our engagement behind my back and needless to say, I called off our nuptials the moment that I heard Robert. I am so sorry. I almost didn't see anything. I almost didn't come to you at all. I suppose because even after everything I still feel this. This full hearted to protect her protector. From what from you, sir. I don't understand. Lover the one that she's been seen behind my back. It's John Wilkes booth. Eighteen sixty five is an airship starring Jeremy Schwartz as Edwin Stanton. Also, featuring in furnace Stephen bolt. Jessica Renee, Russell, Bruce L j Michael Tatum million Jackson, and we'd burn created by Stephen Walters, and Eric are written and directed by Stephen Walt executive producer Lindsey Graham co executive producers, Eric are Chila, Robert McCullum,.
"edwin stanton" Discussed on Conspiracy Theories
"It was around this time that John Wilkes booth made a new plan and a conspiracy to kidnap became a conspiracy to murder officially booth. Wanted revenge on the man who had defeated the confederacy booth. Famously hated Lincoln even before the war, but had believed that the south would triumph given a few lines from his diary such as on April fourteenth. When he wrote quote are caused being almost lost something decisive and great must be done and quote booth may have also believed that Lincoln's death would inspire discouraged confederate troops to resume fighting. That interpretation is just speculation. But the theory that booth wanted vengeance. Is widely accepted in addition to targeting Lincoln booth, also plotted to assassinate to other key members of the union government. Vice president Andrew Johnson and secretary of State William h Seward all three attacks would occur on the same night executed before the secretary of war, Edwin Stanton, or any other member of the government would know what was happening or stop the plot. While booth would target Lincoln two other conspirators would be tasked with the deaths of Johnson and Seward. On April fourteenth shortly after nine thirty pm booth arrived at the back door to Ford's theatre, his friend. Edmund Spangler was working backstage during that night's performance and booth asked him to watch his horse while he went inside Lincoln's box was only accessible from the lobby but booths plant escape route required him to have his horse ready and waiting at a backstage door to reach the lobby. He had to exit the theater without Spangler noticing and re enter through the front door all without.
"edwin stanton" Discussed on Conspiracy Theories
"Dreamed that the public gathered to mourn, a sudden and unexpected presidential death. Lehman never mentioned the supposed prophetic dream until decades after the assassination, and as this conversation took place privately between the two men. No one else has been able to confirm that Lincoln ever claimed to have foreseen his death. This very well could have been exaggeration or a complete fiction on layman's, part premonition or not Lincoln had good. Good reason to fear attack at the time. His assassination came only five days after general Lee surrender at the app Matic's courthouse, effectively ending the civil war passions were high on both sides of the north-south divide and many in Lincoln's government had reason to vehemently disagree with his plans for southern reconstruction Lincoln's administration was often just as divided as the country, a blend of Democrats and Republicans northerners and southerners Lincoln's appointments had helped him get elected by appealing to a broad swath of voters. But now the vastly differing viewpoints within his government meant that finding a consensus was even more difficult than in a traditional administration. Some of Lincoln's officials like has secretary of war, Edwin Stanton, saw slavery as a great evil in wanted to see the south punished for its treason. Others vice president Andrew Johnson who was from Tennessee. I felt that the losses in the civil war and the blow to the southern economy demand. Patient proclamation entailed were punishment enough Johnson campaign for a more benevolent form of reconstruction these deep divisions in dangerous times led to one of the most unbelievable assassinations in history. We'll explore the night of the assassination right after this. And now back to the story. Lincoln invited general Ulysses s grant in grants wife. Julia to join him and his wife Mary Todd Lincoln for performance of a comedy called our American cousin. Grant was a national hero. After the end of the civil war. Lincoln wouldn't see an upsurge in his own popularity until after his death. But the celebratory mood after the war's conclusion left many patriotic Americans eager to see the victorious president and general in a public appearance. Their attendance at the play was well publicized by the local papers. And they both intimidated a large crowd at the theater, but the night of the play General Grant and his wife cancelled their plans today, we're not sure what spur the grants to skip the play. But it may have been due to Julia grant and Mary Todd Lincoln's animosity toward one another in lieu of the grants. Mary Todd instead invited another military. General Henry Rathbone? And his fiancee Clara Harris at the time. Lincoln secretary of state Edwin Stanton was responsible for ensuring Lincoln safety.
"edwin stanton" Discussed on American History Tellers
"And so I was very curious about that love triangle between Lucy John Roberts, and how Stanton interacted without love triangle because I had to believe that is the secretary of war man, who was essentially in charge of everything I had to believe that he knew the truth about it. And I had to believe that he made the decision to essentially cover it up. It's a fascinating bit of history. And then it'll the other piece of history that I'm just shocked by and I've still conflicted about and I still wish I had more answers to to these questions, but Stanton really believed that Jefferson Davis. The president of the confederacy was responsible for the attacks against our country on April fourteenth. And as I stepped deeper and deeper into the history of all this. There were just a lot of things that I soon to be true. I think I think the average person probably thinks John Wilkes booth was alone gunman. Right. Well, turns out he wasn't. It turns out that booth had a gang of conspirators. It turns out that Lincoln wasn't even the only government official to be attacked on April fourteenth. The secretary of state was also attacked by one of booths conspirators he was stabbed almost mortally secretary of state's William Seward. He nearly died that night there were also there was also an attacker who allegedly went after Andrew Johnson. And there's even some facts that that point to Edwin Stanton being a target as well. So it's just you know, the story is always a little bit more complicated than than we think it is. But Edwin Stanton really truly believed that the Jefferson Davis was responsible that the confederacy was responsible and that by extension the south as a whole was responsible and in the military, tribunal of booths conspirators Stanton really set out to make that case to the American people because Stanton believed that, hey, listen, if the south is responsible for these attacks than than a policy of leniency, which is what Andrew Johnson wanted apo-. Policy of amnesty or pardon to the south is impossible. And so this question of well was Stanton. Right. Or was he wrong is one of those things that we just won't. We can't ever know the answer to certainly there's evidence that points in both directions him being right and him being wrong. But it's just one of those mysteries that we're never going to know the the real truth of one of the fascinating things about eighteen sixty five is the use of actual historical documents when when it's appropriate the the podcast is littered with with actual telegrams. And in particular newspaper articles from the period. And what strikes me is that they are as rancourous hand full of language that we would expect from today's editorials. They are they're no better than anything. You would hear on Huffington Post or Fox News.
"edwin stanton" Discussed on American History Tellers
"Stanton's principles of dedication to abolition, and what we would call, you know, general democratic principles of liberty for all are are well established, but he also had a very darkly pragmatic view of government and his particular power. I've heard you compare Stanton to Dick Cheney for this reason he faced a national tragedy and then had to take the reins why do you make the comparison? I think I make the comparison because you know in the moments after nine eleven happened. Dick Cheney had to make some very difficult choices, you know. George Bush was in Florida. He was sitting in a classroom. He was not in the situation room with the rest of of his top advisors and Dick Cheney made fame infamously made the decision that if a plane flew. You into the airspace over the White House that he authorized our government to shoot the plane down, even if there were civilians on board. But of course, that's a bit of an imperious choice on his part of because assuming the power that is not his because of course, the vice president is not imbued with the power to make a decision like that. And yet Cheney did it was what the situation demanded in his mind similarly in the days and weeks after Lincoln assassinated, Edwin Stanton, does a very similar thing. He declares martial law. He basically runs the country for the fourteen days after Lincoln killed. He presides over the largest manhunt and US history to bring John Wilkes booth conspirators to Justice he arrests folks and holds them in violation of their rights of habeas corpus without naming charges. And he does it all in the name of keeping the country safe. And so I kind of think that there's an interesting question to be asked inside of the character of Edwin Stanton and a man like Dick Cheney, it's like, we'll do the ends jus-. Defy the means, you know, when you make difficult tough choices in the name of the greater good. What is the cost of that? And does that cost outweigh the good? That is done in the process of of making those choices I think it's just a really palpable question. And certainly in a post nine eleven world, I think it's a question that will really resonate with, you know, with Americans today, speaking of Americans today, most will know the story of Lincoln's assassination, and some more will know about the reconstruction period that followed, but most will not, and I certainly didn't know the many outrageous facts of the story. I mean, the first one being the strange relationship between John Wilkes booth and Lucy HALE, can you just tell us a little bit about that relationship and many maybe some of the other surprises that you found in your research. Yeah. The the truth is always stranger than fiction, isn't it? And that's one of the the historical facts that when it was brought to me I. I thought I think like you Lindsey when Eric are Chila, I pointed this out to me, I thought there's no way that's true turns out that Lucy. Lambert HALE who is a high society daughter of famous abolitionist Senator named John Parker HALE who's also one of the founders of the Republican party. It turns out that she's betrothed you might say to Robert Lincoln, or at the very least that Robert Lincoln, the president son is is trying to marry her. But that she secretly having an affair with none other than John Wilkes booth. The man who would later assassinate Robert Lincoln's father, and what I found out that piece of history. I just thought there's no way there's no way this is true. And yet and yet it is true. And even more mysteriously in a time where Edwin Stanton essentially, arrested anyone in everyone that so much new the name John Wilkes booth Lucy HALE is never arrested. She's never taken to the Montauk prison ship in put in chains. She is able to walk the streets of free woman..
"edwin stanton" Discussed on American History Tellers
"Right. Like, we have the first president assassinated in the wake of the first in hopefully, only civil war. We have the first woman executed by the United States government. We have the first impeachment trial of sitting president. And in this time of all these new things happening, including you know, the Republican party coming to power. Our Edwin Stanton is sort of right there at the epicenter of all of it. And that's one of the many things it's sort of, you know, drew me to him and made me wanna tell his story, and, you know, create eighteen sixty five through the civil war Edwin Stanton is working with perhaps sometimes begrudgingly Lincoln both Republicans though, right and both sharing an ideology upon Lincoln's assassination. Andrew Johnson is now he was picked on Lincoln's ticket as a as a means to bridge the gap between north and south because Johnson was a southern democrat. But this when he becomes president opposes a very big problem for Stanton wonder, some of the main issues that Stanton faced and feared. Well, I think the main difference in the most reductive way to explain it possible between Johnson and Stanton is the Johnson is what we would call in modern day racist a big. He did not support the cause of the Friedman. He did not want political or civic quality and Stanton. Of course, did it was something from the time. He was very young. His father was a Quaker his father was an abolitionist Iran station on the underground railroad out of Stanton's childhood home. This was very much a part of the fabric of who Stanton was. And so these two men were truly diametrically opposed over an issue that on both sides of the coin both for Johnson, and for Stanton was one of the key fundamental values that they held and so certainly they they did not find a lot of common ground on that question. And then also the question of what to do with the southern states. Right. I mean, we just fought the civil war where you know, the confederacy has now surrendered the question is, well, what are we going to do? Now. Are we going to be lenient to the southern governments? Are we going to allow the south to rejoin the union and reclaim their seat at the table. Or we going to punish them for their their secession for this bloody war that they. Waged against the union and certainly on that question as well. Johnson and Stanton fell very opposite sides of the coin Stanton wanted very punitive policies as it relates to reconstruction Johnson wanted to pardon the south that desire to pardon the south wasn't necessarily pure. You know, there was there was political expediency involved, certainly the south rejoining the union made a border state man, like Johnson, who's popular in the border states. Johnson us from the south it certainly gave him more political power because as you said Johnson was sort of compromised choice for vice president write Lincoln picked him because he would be popular in the border states with the southern people. So it's a very very complicated time, these these weeks months and years after the war ends, and after Lincoln's assassination, and that drama between Stanton and Johnson over, you know, the very future of our country sort. Climaxes with the first impeachment proceeding in the United States history..
"edwin stanton" Discussed on American History Tellers
"That he will approve no measures that will accomplish the object despite passing the civil rights law by overriding Johnson's veto Republicans decided to ensure its permanence by shrining much of it into the constitution as the fourteenth amendment the amendment, guaranteed the rights of citizenship to all those born in the United States, including former slaves. They also past another version of the Freemen's bureau Bill and after Johnson vetoed it successfully overrode that veto too. Johnson used his opposition to the fourteenth amendment as a rallying cry for the midterm elections in the fall of eighteen sixty six he no longer had support even from conservative Republicans. So he resurrected Lincoln's national union party as a campaign vehicle for the coalition of northern and southern Democrats who supported him, but it was a miserable failure with many southern states still not permitted to vote in federal elections. Republicans increase their supermajority in both chambers of congress. They took seventy nine percent of the seats in the house and eighty six in the Senate soon, they quickly went to work dismantling Johnson's reconstruction efforts in the south Johnson vetoed almost everything congress sent him. But lawmakers simply overrode him congress disbanded Johnson's Hasely reconstructed governments in the southern states. They reverted the states to military districts under martial law. The army would ensure that federal laws were kept and civil rights for freed slaves were enforced each former. Federal state was required to adopt. A new constitution and ratified the fourteenth amendment Johnson vehemently oppose these measures. But there was very little. He could do about them except as president Johnson was commander in chief of the military. And it was the military that was tasked with enforcing congressional reconstruction policies through his secretary of war Johnson hoped to use the military to subvert Congress's efforts. There was one problem with Johnson's thinking, however, Edwin Stanton, the secretary of war was a staunch radical Republican he'd served in the same office during the war under Lincoln. He was likely to oppose any of Johnson's efforts to undermine congress. Congress feared the Johnson would replace standing with a man who would do his bidding. So they passed a law prohibiting the president from firing replacing anyone in his cabinet without congressional approval. It was called the tenure of office act a few months later while congress was out of session Johnson. Did what? Congress had expressly forbidden him to do. He fired Edwin Stanton and replaced him with Ulysses s grant. But when congress reconvened it refused to support the removal and grant resigned his position for a few weeks. It seemed as if the issue would blow over Johnson wasn't on yet. Imagine. It's February twenty first eighteen sixty eight you're an aide to embattled secretary of war Edwin Stanton, it's early afternoon in late winter and you're with him and several others in his office in the war department building in Washington, it's cold out today with snow flurries falling against the window. Shivering you toss another long onto the fire. Standing comes over to stand next to you and warm hands. I forgot how cold it gets here in wintertime. This is the first call snap. We've had since you've returned, sir. You should have been here December. It was awful. You mmediately realize you've made a gaffe Stanton wasn't here in December. Because president Johnson had fired him Stanton takes the competent stride smiling. Oh, I wish I could have been I was just saying to Senator summer that. Stanton breaks off in mid sentence. As he notices something outside the window an older man in a general's uniform has just walked up to the building from Pennsylvania Avenue coming from the direction of the White House. That was General Thomas what the devils he doing here, Lorenzo Thomas? You know is the adjunct general of the army is chief administrator sure, he's a user. I surely nothing serious. If it's Thomas serious. He's been meeting with the president often is fascinating. You hurry to open the office door and General Thomas pushes his way in ignoring your feeble, greeting secretary Stanton. I'm here to inform. You president Johnson's decision to dismiss you from the cabinet. And the war department is appointed me to be your interim replacement. I'm to begin immediately and take possession of this office Stanton. Just stands there for a moment. His mouth just slightly parted. Then he finds his voice again, I suppose, he's informed. The Senate a messenger is on his ways we speak. They'll never stand for this. You know, they've already confirmed me in my position..
"edwin stanton" Discussed on Skullduggery
"We've talked a lot about just how unusual a President Donald Trump has been his withering attacks on the f. b. i. and his. Own Justice department is tweet storms floating bizarre conspiracy theories with little basis. In fact, his rallies where he riles up his followers with angry, he filled rhetoric against his political enemies and journalists we as called enemies of the people. So consider this one hundred fifty years ago. The house of representatives impeached a president, Andrew Johnson impart for conduct, and I quote unmindful of the high duties of his office and the dignity and proprieties thereof. Johnson, of course, had been Abraham Lincoln's vice president and was sworn in after the great emancipator assassination. There were eleven articles of impeachment against Johnson. Most of them revolving around Johnson's attempts to fire Lincoln, secretary of war, Edwin Stanton, a violation. The house charged of a law passed by congress called the tenure of office act. But one of those articles article tend to be exact laid out. A different charge that seems to have an eerie parallel to the Trump presidency it focused on Johnson's rhetoric travel around the country, denouncing Congress's plans for reconstruction, including laws and amendments that guaranteed rights to the newly emancipated slaves. In those speeches article, ten charged Johnson did quote attempt to bring into disgrace, ridicule, hatred, contempt, and reproach. The congress of the United States and to quote excite the odium and resentment of all the good people of the United States against the laws passed by congress. In one such speech Johnson was accused of delivering, and again, I quote, certain intemperate, inflammatory and scandalous harangues, and uttering loud threats and bitter menaces against the country's lawmakers. Amid the cries, Jere and laughter of the multitudes then assembled sounds. What like Donald Trump rally this week. We traveled down to Austin, Texas, to talk with the distinguished panel of top story ins and a veteran news executive about Trump's loud threats and bitter medicines and how unprecedented or not they are that and more coming up on today's episode of skulduggery. There is. There is no collusion. I didn't make a phone call to Russia. I have nothing to do with Russia. Everybody knows it because people have got to know whether or not their president's across. Well, I'm not a crook told the American people. I did not trade arms for. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true. But the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. The British government has learned to Saddam Hussein recently saw significant quantities of uranium from Africa, but he times have to answer this question and you shit is their rooms..
"edwin stanton" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Well as you point out congress disagreed with president johnson about a great many things it also wanted to keep edwin stanton in office as secretary of war to enforce its policies congress passed the tenure of office act over the president's veto was the goal of that act to preserve stanton in office or to set up grounds for impeachment it was really both it was also to just hamstring the president had by the time it was adopted there was open warfare between the president and congress they had passed a number of major bills over his veto state sometimes he would veto them and they would pass it over his veto in the same day and with this sort of new structure the tenure of office act it really prevented him from firing any senior officials without the senate's agreement the vote in the house of representatives where you just need a majority to impeach was not close so the case then goes to the united states senate tell us about another major player there this would be the chief justice who presided over the trial salmon chase well he was a man with plenty of political ambitions of his own he aspired to run for president honestly for either party whoever would happen and so he was a bit of a wildcard during the trial although the ultimate consensus is that he he behaved reasonably well it was a real trial not at all like the clinton preceding that we saw witnesses were troop in they were examined they were cross examined and it went on for days and days and then there's the chief prosecutor from the house benjamin butler who i think is still remembered in parts of the south as beast butler he is he sometimes he's called spoons butler because he was accused of having stolen the silver a mansion he occupied as a soldier he was an intelligent man but not a man of high moral fiber and he was much mistrusted and he was very unfortunate choice to be the chief prosecutor he'd also tried the case quite poorly he got very much lost in the weeds and he lost sight of the fact that an impeachment of a president is really at the end of the day not a factual argument because in any situation like that the facts are known they've been in the.
"edwin stanton" Discussed on Stuff You Should Know
"They did was to set up this new law which was payton lee unconstitutional is called the what was the called the uk it fire that do law why did he adds pay that's basically the gist of it um the 10year act i believe is where the other tenure of office act so you know when when a president comes in and they appoint like cabinet members or you know a supreme court judge or something they can pick the person but the senate has to either confirm or sayed none out this one right right so the the senate has confirmation powers in the president's ability to hire the constitution even says it in there the constitution that is to say anything about firing those appointees and so it had long been that the president could fire whoever of their employees appointees he wanted to russia so what the what the radical republicans did was passed a bill that said you if you hire some if you appoint somebody we get to confirm if you try to remove somebody we you we have to approve that as well and again that it was just it was just flew in the face of the constitution as we know it and um the uh the right away andrew johnson fired his secretary of war edwin stanton and um he was impeached right out rather the gate that that's me the reminds me of when uh earlier this year when jared kushner was taking his first big tour of the white house after the election um from her lucky met all the abbaba employees and was like oh so like how many these people are going to be staying on nobody.
"edwin stanton" Discussed on Freak Out and Carry On
"Chris because congress says you cannot fire at one stanton and andrew johnson says watch me and this is the grounds on which the house of representatives in peaches andrew johnson and then that goes to the senate for a trial as impeachment s do and the senate exonerates or at least finds president johnson not guilty and when i saw this consumer financial protection bureau thing i actually could not look away i sat in my car for almost two hours reading the news and reading reactions to it because i said wow i'm watching edwin stanton barricaded himself into the war department and that's really the crisis that i think we further souls and at this point heather uh thank you for all your powerful insights today as always it's always good to chat ron i'm rod south guy this is freak out and carryon thanks for listening if you haven't already subscribed to us on apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and lead us to review it helps others find the show falls on facebook and twitter a freakout carry off to visit our websitewburorgfreak out for email addresses freak out in carryon at wbur dog pork i show is produced by wpur in boston for produced an ended by catherine brewer our technical director is matt read our executive producer is iris adler music for the podcast courtesy of ap and the views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the participants and do not in any way reflect the views of wbur management or its employees.
"edwin stanton" Discussed on Freak Out and Carry On
"Saddle over principles why why should anybody care about this though well because his agency is unique in in the array of many agencies in washington it was formed after the financial crash and it was formed in a way that we haven't seen in agency come into into form in thirty or forty years just like an old style agency from before ronald reagan reagan undercut a lot of the bureaucracy in america is a government's the problem he put people in charge of agencies wanted to shut the agency's down that's not the way at work pretty much from fdr to ronald reagan the folks who headed regulatory agencies were folks you didn't wanna get into a runin with add real power the the were there protecting the rights of citizens of consumers that was the way this agency was designed which is why from its inception in two thousand eight in the wake of the financial crisis in crash the great bubble bust the caused the recession russian this agency has been in the crosshairs of the way of doing business has taken hold in washington in the years since so that means everyone on wall street says how can i take this agency dow because they've got real power it does point toward a constitutional crisis and let me suggest y and that's that we have in fact in american history had two people show up for the same job on the same day before and it did not go well it was ill detail who was in eighteen sixty eight when andrew johnson appointed lorenzo thomas who was a completely unremarkable man to replace ad when standin who was the secretary of war and the rental thomas was so thrilled at the fact he had leapt to this era of prominence that he went on drinking the night before and he showed up at the door the secretary warned he couldn't open it because edwin stanton who was working at the republicans in congress had actually barricaded himself into the department and this precipitates a crisis between the president and the congress.
"edwin stanton" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"He was a up periodic ranger a he would require on every two three months would not touch drop of liquor before go on benches he was going to register three days he was definitely an alcoholic mucus by his own mission he could not take bus just one drank also it induced an immediate personality change she became rather cillier jovial fellow who slurred his words and stumbled about you know nor now he was his right tightly buttoned up of taciturn figure did it ever interfere with his duties no he was frankie had enough control over the problem you would never our drinking before or during a battle was almost as if he could schedule the binges in the aftermath of battle who would take a little side trip where his men could not set a celebration of celebration had you know release for relief for than so what do you think his political enemies exaggerated as drinking pro it was shirley used you know through route his career by his enemies pick me during the civil war i can't tell you how many malicious letters both signed the anonymous rewritten to a ramle can and secretary were edwin stanton i'm speaking with ron churn out whose latest book is called grant about ulysses s grant a abraham lincoln was a lawyer though with a limited military background how did he mastered the nuances of of military strategy or was in a litre simply lean on people like was basically had no real uh in a militarybacked background but he did he started immediately as soon as the word begun started borrowing manuals from elaborate connoisseurs bombing up on tactics and strategy and he became quite a good military strategist but he had he had to pick grant to lead the military somewhere down the line grant yet grub gives general chief of the last year of the war and before that lincoln had suffered through six one opening procrastinating incompetent generals and lincoln made the statement attitude 63 about glad you said vis generals given me more comfort than nephew and i not because grant was running all these battles are worst didn't grant rejoined the army after the civil war had begun yes and it's amazing strike because he was working as a.