35 Burst results for "Edward Snowden"
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Regime's Ukraine Leak Power Grab
"Try to use this as an excuse to restrict our speech. They're starting to talk here. They're saying, well, now we need to police more of these social channels. They're going to use this as a prerequisite for censorship. This is how the regime works. They are coming after our dissident social media platforms. It's one of the reasons why we oppose the restrict act. Telegram, rumble, now Twitter, getter, truth social, Discord, I guess. I mean, I don't use Discord. I don't know how helpful it is. NBC News says U.S. Intel agencies may change how they monitor social media chat rooms after missing leaked U.S. documents for weeks. Oh, so they might monitor our telegram chats now. By the way, this is one of the reasons the restrict act says, oh, if you have connections to Russia, we could get rid of telegram was founded by a Russian. And Discord is very similar to telegram. It's a messaging service. We use telegram for all our communications on the show. It's a really good platform. I encourage people to find a better messaging platform for high frequency file sharing and for being able to get lots of different channels and feeds. The user interface is the best, I think. But they would love to be able to go after they've talked about how telegram is fomenting places for right white nationalist tape. They basically say they plan to scrub Discord from now on. Basically announcing they plan to spy on the entire thing. Use the Patriot Act, use Edward Snowden's, what Edward Saudis will work on the National Security Agency to go after all of our online chatter. So their response to this is that, hey, maybe we shouldn't be funding an illegal war in Ukraine and having U.S. troops in Kyiv. No, no, no. Instead of acknowledging that they are an error and deceit and that they are lying, they want to clamp down on the citizens.
Mike Gallagher Podcast
Air National Guardsman Jack Teixeira Arrested by FBI
"Let's get the reporting here. Let me get an overview from Jennifer Griffin, who first reported on the arrest to Neil cavuto yesterday on Fox News. Neil cyber sleuths and journalists for The New York Times and Washington Post seemed to have honed in on the leaker faster than the FBI who arrived at his house in night and Massachusetts this afternoon. The alleged leaker was identified by attorney general Merrick Garland as 21 year old Jack Teixeira of the 102nd intelligence wing of the Massachusetts Air National Guard. According to the air force, he was promoted to airman first class. Last July, he worked as a systems communications specialist for his unit. And that's how he accessed some of the nation's biggest secrets. The Washington Post managed to track down an interview a member of the online chat group that to share a lead for the past few years. And he claims that he is a Russian operative or pro Russian is categorically false. He is not interested in helping any foreign agencies with their attack on the U.S. or other countries. He was a young charismatic man who loved nature God who loved shooting guns and racing cars. This teenager in California says he was one of 20 or so members who met with the alleged leaker during the pandemic on a server called thug shaker central on Discord. He acted like a father figure to the teens. They called him OG. Every single day we would watch movies play games do activities together. We'd stream our houses and mess around and dance and have fun. When members would have issues like mental health crisis, OG and other members would help them out. The team described the small group as his online family and said, unlike Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning, he was not a whistleblower, just a guy showing off for some impressionable kids locked down during
The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated
Leaked Spy Satellite System Puts US National Security at Risk
"Chairman, I have to ask you about the leak. This is very bad. The Financial Times revealed that it has revealed the existence of a spy satellite system that we've got that knows previously unknown to the world. Who would do this? I'm just curious, you don't know who it is, but who would do something this damaging? Am I right, by the way, to conclude it deeply damaging? It's deeply damaging. I mean, we revealed the leaks purportedly revealed that, you know, we've penetrated the Russian system and think about that if you're the Russians and you learn about that, you're immediately going to look for the source of that penetration and probably kill everyone and that compromises a valuable stream of intelligence. I should note we have we're not in session. We're going to be back on Monday. I expect we're going to get our initial briefing on this on the Intel committee. I hope we get a full battle damage assessment. My working hypothesis is that this was just some, you know, let's say mid to low level intelligence community or defense community staffer with a savior complex, which is incredibly unfortunate. Another Chelsea. Another Edward Snowden. Something like that. Yeah, yeah. But who knows? I admittedly, I don't know right now. It's incredibly damaging. And you know, it's sort of this paradox to you that in the 21st century, I think we're going to have to be more forward leaning in our willingness to declassify intelligence. I think our ability to share intelligence rapidly with our partners in Ukraine has been a good thing on balance. That, of course, entails a lot of risk and increases the likelihood of leaks and things like that. I'm not saying that happened in this case, but the bottom line is we just need to understand what happened in an effort to prevent it and hold anyone who broke the law accountable because this is very, very troubling for U.S. national security. Now,
What Is Nostr? How Does It Work?
"What is no stir? No stir stands for notes and other stuff transmitted by relays. Think of Nostra as a social network, built similar to Twitter, where you can create posts or notes like a tweet, like posts, follow and unfollow people, and boost posts, like a retweet. You may see post and note used interchangeably on noster. And event in noster can be any of these previously mentioned actions. One thing to make abundantly clear no stir is a protocol. It's a set of rules that servers and clients use to communicate, just like Bitcoin, email, or BitTorrent. Noster is not an app nor a platform, like Twitter, Facebook, et cetera. But many applications can be built on top of noster. In the words of Edward Snowden, if a platform is a silo, a protocol is a river. No one owns it, and everyone is free to swim. Unlike Twitter or Facebook, noster is decentralized. There are no central servers or corporations who control what you can post and what others can see. Noster is censorship resistant and open-source. The license for noster is simply public domain. How does nostor work? To use noster you must run a client. A client is simply the way you interact with noster. Web client in your browser, mobile client on your phone, native client, et cetera. To publish something on those, or you write a post or a note, sign it with your key and send it to multiple relays. You have two keys, your public key, and your private key. Think of the public key as your username, like you're at handle on Twitter. Think of your private key as your password. Do not share it with anyone.
The Bitboy Crypto Podcast
"edward snowden" Discussed on The Bitboy Crypto Podcast
"Headline on New York Times. You know, because they hate big tech and then we're going to our stock's going to fall 10% because some person died. And then, you know, I'm sure that math found its way into the equation. Yeah, absolutely. And so once your self-driving cars, you can kind of eliminate that. Now, people are still going to, people die, you know, walking in a traffic looking at their smartphone, but you don't blame Apple. You don't blame Android. You don't blame clash of clans or whatever they're playing. They're on Twitter. So they got to make it where you see it and you're like, oh yeah, that's on the user. Yeah, what a Bozo. But if you're driving your car and there's actually usage, like, yeah, you know, this place has a sale and you turn your head to look at the store and the next thing you know, you crash into the car in front of you. So they're going to want to avoid any of that. But yeah, it's going to be cool when you look at a human being and you can see like their last tweet or their latest Instagram post or whatever kind of filter that you have. I was going to go in some spicy takes. Why are they smirking at me? One other thing I didn't see it mentioned there. Coming out of Apple today, I saw that Apple Pay has partnered with circle. Which is a one of those things I will just slide under the news right now. It doesn't seem big. Like Google and stuff. It's big. That is the last step in one of the last steps in my opinion for USD C getting fast track to becoming a digital dollar. Yeah, we've talked about this. It's going to happen because it happens on Google pay or Apple Pay. It's going to happen because that chip reader on your debit card, you tap it and it drains you of whatever stablecoin or maybe we're in a bull market and it's a peak and you do want to spend Bitcoin. I know there's a lot of people say never spend your Bitcoin, but you know what, when Bitcoin was above 50 K, it was a pretty smart idea to spend your Bitcoin. And I think there's going to be something like that. Every four years. You're going to start to see cell phones come with digital wallets like the last galaxy phones have started to do. You're going to see that with iPhones as well. I mean, they already do. You have an Apple wallet on there. So you're going to be able to pay with Apple Pay. It's going to be synced to USD C, you're going to be able to swap crypto through it. And basically, Apple will become in Samsung will probably become the most prominent crypto wallet. Big boy Wilson, here's my hack best place to turn cash into Bitcoin and withdraw immediately debit or ACH transfer. I use coinbase as my Fiat and off ramp, but I use my little coinbase hack, so coinbase charges to use your bank, but they don't charge for PayPal. So you can sell your crypto, move the cash to PayPal for free. They don't charge you for that. PayPal
The Bitboy Crypto Podcast
"edward snowden" Discussed on The Bitboy Crypto Podcast
"Yeah. But, you know, I mean, for the most part, it's just the more it's almost like the more questions you ask, the more dirt you find, it's just layers upon layers. You start looking above FTX, you start looking above SPF, like they're definitely a piece here, but I don't think they were, I don't think he's the mastermind behind all of this stuff. So all wars are bankers wars or like a bank man. Exactly. Bank person, bank man. Yeah. Yeah, Eisenhower was right. I've said that multiple times. I don't want to get into what that means. Drew, drew's like standing and applauding right now. Eisenhower was right. All right, let's go to the coin market cap. Is this a crypto show or should I get tinfoil out? Bitcoin dominance up to 38.3 or I should say down down. Ethereum down to 18.1%, still less than half of Bitcoin's dominance there. The volume. 66 billion market cap 850 billion right there. The way down to 17, I think it was 19 just earlier. But if we look at the prices, a little bit of a relief bounce here, we have a Bitcoin still below 17,000. I would definitely ask Frank about some of these levels. Ethereum up slightly as well. B and B XRP obviously that Fox News rumor is clearly got people excited has had some nice nice movement. Yeah, I'm sure. We'll probably touch on it at the end and the XRP coinbase, but the big thing I saw was all those basically all those amicus briefs are being allowed, which is kind of unprecedented from judges that judge Torres basically the language seems to be favoring ripple in a lot of different ways. All right, people are saying, you know what, go to the tweet. Oh, I can't because Ben, I'm not gonna have been retweeted. I'm like, I would, I would. I just realized I'm not sorry. You have your phone in your pocket? I do have my phone in my pocket. You know what I will do? Look at some of these, look at some of these alts here. Cardano, not up as much. I mean, then we get into that 4% club up four and a half, four and a half, about 4%. So for cardano doge and polygon here, polkadot up a little bit Solana, having a little bit of a resurgence here of 7%, but when you look at that weekly, it's still cut in half where it was. So just a week ago, about a week ago, $29 uniswap up a little bit. If we go to the top gainers in the top losers, 26% for stacks, XRP in the number two spot. Algorand, AJ is going to be happy about that. The number 27 coin, all these are up in the double digits. If we go to the top losers, trust wallet, helium, convex, and bit Dao, so we're seeing some negative action, but then I would say the trust wallet up 70% on the week. So that's a pullback. Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean, the weekly there, obviously, telling the story, let me sign out of jpeg junkie. Let me sign in to mine. All right, let's get this tweet going. Bit squad, can you do something for me? All right, we're scrolling up, we're scrolling up. All right, I am retweeting it right now. Why not mention, oh, you know what? It looks like the bit squad already showed a little love. In that little bit of time, I've gotten 5 retweets. So it is the bit squad.
"edward snowden" Discussed on Simply Bitcoin
"I love you pulling up that salon. That's awesome. All right guys, you already know, this is the meme review. This is your guys favorite part of the show. And as Nico said in an eloquent meme guys, tweets are the bullet to memes or the artillery. And we are out here in the front lines continue to meme continue to get those calls of actions because we are in a misinformation war as we speak. We are getting bombarded with all kinds of noise, but bitcoiners have truth on their side, and it pierces through all the madness, guys. This first one is by my boy, psychedelic. You guys know in the news section, Edward Snowden called CSW corn cob, stop being a corncob, and we got this CSW as a corn. A corn cob in the flesh. No, no, no, no. Which one? Other some. I love corn. Oh yeah, oh yeah, hold on. One second, I got you. I got you. I
America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast
Edward Snowden Granted Russian Citizenship
"Ask you. News as of two days ago that the former KGB colonel in the Kremlin has provided Russian citizenship to Snowden. Your reaction, uncle Jim. Bye, Felicia. Why do we even care? That's the nice thing. I'm glad he's there. He's a traitor. That's what I want. People want to pardon him. He's a traitor who's dumped information. He didn't have any knowledge about was not vetted. He and Assange both and all of it. They didn't, they didn't blow a single whistle on a single crime. So this is the issue for me. If you see and look, we know bad stuff happened, right? NSA DIA, we know. The data farms and everything else. But if you've got an issue, it's like the FBI whistleblower we had on my show yesterday, Carl serf. You use the tools available. You don't go to communist China with the hard drives and then to Moscow if you believe in America, do you Jim, because that's what Snowden did. You think the Chinese might have copied that hard drive. I think maybe they got that before everyone else. And then you think Russia had it. And all of that, there was no way it would have taken hundreds of analysts a month or two just to figure out what was on there. And they just dumped it on the Internet so that all our enemies could read it. It may or may not have gotten anybody killed, but that's not how it works. We have inspectors general. We have whistleblower protections. And if you have an actual crime, which they didn't, then you have ways to do that. I hope he I hope he dies in Russia and never sees the shores of this country again. Unless he's in chains. And
Stephanie Miller's Happy Hour Podcast
Bob Cesca on Republican Support for the Theft of National Secrets
"Couldn't wait to get you on today because of course Edward Snowden thing. I was just like, oh my God. Bob says, I tried to tell you how long you just said, right? Matt Gaetz said Joe Biden should pardon Snowden, and you said Republican support the theft and exposure of national security secrets. Period. Yeah. How long ago did we say this? Snowden is a traitor. 9 years. It's been 9 years. It'll be ten years coming up this coming up summer in June, I believe it is. When the first story Glenn greenwald dropped happened. And so this is not surprising to those of us who were following the story closely with a critical eye back in 2013 when especially and I wrote a piece about this back in 2013 about how as soon as Edward Snowden was shepherded from Hong Kong where he had a birthday party, a birthday pizza party at the Russian consulate, he was taken by WikiLeaks attorneys. Hi. See, all these names are so appropriate now. Have a new patina of weirdness about them after the last 5, 6 years. Yeah. And so he separated by WikiLeaks attorneys to Moscow, where, while camping out in the Moscow airport, he hires Russian attorney Anatolia. I think that's how you pronounce his last name. And anatoly kuchar Rena is a, or was a lawyer for the FSB for the Russian FSB. And those of us who have been falling from Russia all along what the very least watching the Rachel maddow show. We all know what the FSB is. The FSB is the modern day version of the KGB. Yeah. And one of their attorneys is the attorney who represented Edward Snowden in Moscow in 2013 when he was there in the airport. So this is no surprise to any of us that he is being offered Russian citizenship by Vladimir
AP News Radio
Putin grants Russian citizenship to Edward Snowden
"Russian president Vladimir Putin has granted citizenship to former U.S. security contractor Edward Snowden I'm Ben Thomas with the latest Putin signed a decree making Snowden and 74 other foreign nationals Russian citizens Snowden has been living in Russia since 2013 to escape prosecution in the U.S. The former National Security Agency contractor leaked classified documents detailing government surveillance programs He was granted permanent residency in Russia two years ago and said at the time he planned to apply for Russian citizenship
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"Again. As of 2022, Edward Snowden is still living in Moscow, and giving talks about civil liberties and surveillance. He and Lindsay mills married in 2017. And in 2020, the couple announced they were applying for Russian citizenship. Laura poitras would go on to release the documentary, citizen four, constructed mostly from footage she shot inside Snowden's Hong Kong hotel room. It was critically acclaimed, and won the Academy Award for best feature documentary in 2015. Partner Glenn greenwald also won a claim for his work. The Guardian was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for service journalism and recognition for greenwald's reporting on Edward Snowden and the NSA. The newspaper would share the prize with The Washington Post, whose reporter Barton gellman reported the same story on his own. But still, years after he blew the whistle on the NSA, Edward Snowden remains the subject of fierce debate. Many Americans consider him a traitor, who harmed national security. Others believe his warnings were prophetic, and highlighted the growing erosion of privacy on the Internet, and in everyday life. While that debate may never be settled, one thing is certain. Snowden's leaks have had a large impact on the United States government. In 2015, Congress passed a bipartisan bill aimed at ending the mass surveillance programs revealed by Snowden. The bill supporters called it a balanced approach to surveillance, arguing it would allow the NSA to collect necessary information to counter terrorism. While still respecting Americans privacy, bill's critics argued the reforms didn't go far enough. From wandering, this is episode four of Edward Snowden from American scam. In our next episode, I chat with Matthew gore aglia, a historian who studies policing and surveillance in the United States. We'll look at how online platforms like next door have ushered in a new era of mass surveillance while giving Americans a skewed understanding about crime in their communities. If you like our show, please give us a 5 star rating and leave a review. And be sure to tell your Friends. I also have two other podcasts you might like. American history tellers and business movers. Follow on Apple podcasts, Amazon music or wherever you're listening right now, or you can listen to new episodes early and ad free by subscribing to wander plus in Apple podcasts or in the wonder app. You'll also find some links and offers from our sponsors in the episode notes, supporting them helps us keep offering our shows for free. Another way you can support the show is by filling out a small survey at wondery dot com slash survey to tell us what topics we might cover next. You can also find us and me on Twitter, follow me at Lindsay a Graham, Lindsay with an a, middle initially, and thank you. If you'd like to learn more about Edward Snowden, we recommend the books no place to hide by Glenn greenwald. Permanent record by Edward Snowden, and the documentary citizen four direct by Laura portress. This episode contains reenactments and dramatized details. And while in most cases, we can't know exactly what was said. All our dramatizations are based on historical research. American scandal is hosted, edited, and executive produced by me, Lindsey Graham for airship. Audio editing, my Molly Bach, sound designed by Derek Paris, music by Lindsey Graham. This episode is written by Austin reckless, edited by Christina malls burger, our senior producer is Gabe ribbon. Executive producers are Stephanie Jen's, Jenny Lauer backman, and Marshall Louis for wondering.
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"1st, 2013 in Moscow, Russia. Edward Snowden steps out of the main terminal of the airport, and lifts his head toward the sun, shutting his eyes. With a giant grin stone takes a deep breath of air, actual outdoor air, not chilled and recycled airport air, but heavy, and humid, smelling like garbage, real air. And for snow and that smell is almost a religious experience. Snowden runs a hand through his long, scraggly beard, and gazes out at his surroundings. Somehow he just spent over a month living inside an airport terminal. It was a looping nightmare that felt like purgatory. Snowden wasn't sure it would ever end. But then he got the news. Snowden was granted temporary asylum by the Russian government. He'd have only a year, but he was free, free to walk out of the airport. Free to fill his lungs with outdoor air. Snowden steps into a car, which is about to shuttle him to a secure location where he'll start his new life. He buckles his seat belt, and Snowden looks over at Sarah Harrison. The adviser from WikiLeaks, who's been with him this whole time. Kind of incredible, isn't it? Just being outside. I think after this, I'm gonna go on some kind of camping trip, you know? Commune with nature and get very far from any kind of fast food. You sure you don't want one more order of fries before we leave? I think it would actually literally kill me. Oh my God, me too. Snowden looks out at the window as the car speeds out of the airport. So, Sarah, sometimes I'm not good with words. Something wrong? No, nothing's wrong. I just. I guess I wanted to thank you. We're staying with me the whole time. Of course. I mean, all joking aside, it really was my pleasure. We had to make sure you got out of Hong Kong that you were safe. Yeah, well, I'm not sure I'm safe quite yet. My own government thinks I'm a traitor. They wanted to. I'm sure the CIA could just take me out. They could easily make it look like an accident. That's probably true, but I don't think that's the real threat. You know, Russia could always change its mind. Maybe they want to curry favor with the U.S. because of something unrelated. I don't know, some new tree or something. And then one day they could decide to just extradite you in some kind of deal. Yeah, I know. I'm not trying to get you down. I know you want to live a normal life like everyone, but I'm saying this because you're going back out into the real world. And you've got to be honest with yourself and honest about your situation. Oh, I am. I promise. But you know what's going to be hard is doing it alone. I don't have Lindsey or my family, and I won't have you. You've been by my side for 6 weeks, and Sarah, I can't thank you enough. Very few people in the world would have done what you did. Yeah, well, even fewer would have done what you did in. Your brave man. I'm honored to have played a small part in your journey. Snowden nod silently. It looks back out the window at the passing traffic. All this time, Snowden knew a life in exile was a possibility. But staring it in the face is something else entirely. He's about to be marooned in a foreign country, thousands of miles from home. And he doesn't know what he's going to do. How he'll pass the time. However, find a means to support himself. How he'll work towards a purpose. He's so far away from home, and everything he ever cared about. Its early 2014, half a year later. Edward Snowden sets down a bouquet of flowers on the dining room table and looks around his apartment in Moscow. It's a small and humble space, and even though this isn't the life he dreamed of. The apartment is at least starting to feel a little more familiar. It's a meaningful development, because when Snowden finally left the airport, he wasn't sure he'd ever carve out a good life in Moscow. But Snowden didn't despair. Over the past 6 months, he'd been trying to live deliberately and with purpose. He started giving talks on the Internet, and he's been speaking out about civil liberties and online privacy. It's a bit of a funny turn of events. Snow always thought of himself as a guy who just liked computers. But after giving talks to academics and intellectuals, Snowden has realized that being an advocate feels like a real calling. But he won't deny there's still a gaping hole in his life. Every day he pines terribly for Lindsay mills, the girlfriend he left behind. Over the last few months they've spoken online, but it's been stilted and awkward. Snowden would have understood if she never forgave him for the way he upended their lives. And he wouldn't have been surprised if she never wanted to see him again, but apparently their life together is not entirely over. Mules has agreed to come all the way to Russia to see Snowden in person. In any minute now, she's supposed to arrive. Snowden is rearranging the furniture in his living room. When there's a knock on the door. His heart starts racing. And suddenly, he feels like his feet are weighted down, stuck to the floor. But Snowden manages to will himself forward and open the door. And there, standing before him, is Lindsay mills. Her light brown hair is longer than before, but her eyes are still the same, striking shade of green. Snowden forgets to breathe as he looks at mills. And for a minute, neither of them says a word. Ben mills reaches out her hand and runs it down Snowden's face. Her touch sends sparks through his entire body. And before he can stop himself, he whispers that he loves her. But as soon as those three words escape from his mouth, Snowden feels the pang of regret. He shouldn't have said that. It's too much. It's too soon. He should have taken it slower. But that mills drops her bag and wraps Snowden in her arms. He stunned at first, but then he returns the hug, holding on to her tight. Two remains still in silent. For the first time in almost a year, Edward Snowden feels at home. A few months later, Edward Snowden glides onto a stage in Vancouver, Canada. He smiles and greets Chris Anderson, the head of the lecture series, ted-talks, then Snowden pivots, and looks out into the audience. He smiles a little self consciously, and gives a wave as the crowd breaks into a raucous applause. Snowden is about to address the audience, but there's a glitch, and he freezes. Snowden mothers occurs. No one can hear him, and he knows why. Snowden is not in Vancouver. He's appearing remotely from Moscow, using a device he calls the snow bot. It's essentially a computer monitor with a camera mounted on top of a robot. Snowden controls the machine using his laptop, and he can make it zip across the stage and turn 360°. It's a much better option when Snowden is giving a talk because it creates the illusion that somehow he's actually in the room. What the technology is far from perfect, especially when Snowden's Internet connections on the Fritz. So Snowden sets Tapping his desk waiting, hoping his connection comes back. Finally, it does, and Snowden can once again see the crowd in Vancouver. Snowden guides his robot remotely around the stage, and then he turns to Anderson, the head of ted-talks, and the two kick-off a conversation. Anderson begins by remarking that Snowden has been called many things over the past 9 months, a whistleblower, a traitor, a hero. How would Snowden describe himself? Snowden doesn't mince his words. Who I am, really doesn't matter at all. What really matters here is the kind of government we want. The kind of Internet we want. The kind of relationship between people and society. And that's what I'm hoping the debate will move towards. And we've seen that increasing over time. Snowden looks out at the audience and sees people listening, gnawing, thinking. And he smiles to himself. This was never about him. The point was to start a debate about privacy, freedom, and government transparency. It took a lot to get the conversation going, and Snowden's life will never be the same. But as he looked out over the audience, Snowden knows that all the risks were worth it. People are talking. The conversation is going to continue, and it won't stop until governments stop hiding their secrets, and the Internet is free once
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"Security adviser, Rhodes knows that Castro is central to one of president Obama's plans, trying to normalize relations with Cuba. The two countries have been estranged for over 50 years, and Obama made it priority to chart a new course. But it's a tall order after decades of hostility between the two countries. But the whole project became even more difficult when Edward Snowden entered the picture. There have been rumors that Cuba is considering letting in the American spy, and that would shield Snowden from extradition and allow him to remain free. The Obama administration does not want that to happen. Snowden is responsible for stealing government secrets. As far as the administration sees it, the former NSA contractor is a menace, and perhaps a traitor. He jeopardized national security and complicated American relations with China and Russia. So the administration is determined to hold Snowden accountable for his crimes and have him sent home, where the government can try his case in court. But to make that happen, advisers like roads are going to have to work the diplomatic back channels to make sure Snowden isn't granted political asylum in any other country. After everyone has settled down in the conference room, rose corners Alejandro Castro and asks for a private word. The Cuban nods, and then the two walk out into the hallway. When they're out of earshot of the others, Rhodes says he has something delicate he has to discuss. Castro smiles and wonders aloud if it has something to do with a certain young intelligence worker. Currently trapped in an airport in Moscow. Rhodes pauses, trying to measure his words. He can't explicitly tell Castro to refuse Edward Snowden's entry into Cuba. That's not how diplomacy works. You can't tell a sovereign nation what to do. So Rhodes takes an indirect approach, saying he has a message from president Obama. The president wants to remind Cuba that some people in the United States are opposed to a new path forward, that they don't want to restore relations between the two countries. And of course, the status quo is doing nothing for Cuba's economy road says. President Obama would like to normalize their relationship, allowing Americans to travel to Cuba and for the two countries to trade with each other. But Rhodes says in order for the president to continue with these negotiations, he needs Cuba to show it's a good partner, and building that trust will be a challenge if Cuba accepts an enemy of the United States. Rhodes pauses, waiting for Castro to reply to this implied threat. If Cuba welcomes Snowden into their country, Obama will scrap the plans to normalize relations. Castro smiles and knots. And then he says he'll take the information under consideration. It's a vague answer, but Rhodes knows that Castro is well burst and diplomatic doublespeak. He's not going to commit to anything on the spot. But roads two is well versed in diplomatic double speak, and believes he has a read on Castro's response. Cuba is not going to allow Edward Snowden to enter their country, and soon the so called whistleblower is going to be trapped in Russia and out of options. It's July 1st, 2013 in Moscow. Edward Snowden bites into a Burger King whopper, leans back and takes in the scenery at the city's major international airport. It's the same as it was yesterday, and the day before, and the day before that. People walking around with luggage, babies crying, travelers trying to get from one place to another as quickly as they can. Snowden can only dream of being in that position, able to move freely and go where he wants. But instead, for the last week, he's been stuck at this airport in Moscow. He was unwilling to cooperate with Russian intelligence, and refused to hand over any government secrets. And so the Russians played hardball. They refused to let him out of the airport, not without a U.S. passport, or entry papers from another country. So for days, Snowden has been living at the airport. Homeless and surviving on cheeseburgers from Burger King. It's been a bit grim. And Snowden can't figure out a way forward. He applied for asylum in over 20 countries, including Ecuador. But every one of them has said no, either outright or by saying he has to apply in person. Snowden is not sure what to do. And neither is Sarah Harrison, the adviser to WikiLeaks, and Snowden's partner in this journey. So for now, all Snowden can do is just pass the time in the airport until something happens. Snowden takes another bite of his burger and turns to Harrison. Sarah, yeah. You know, I appreciate everything you've done. And I can't tell you how hard this would have been without you. But you know you can go home. You don't have to stay with me. Well, except I do. I told you before I'm helping you out because it's the right thing to do. So I'm sticking by your side until someone grants you asylum. But I can't figure out a plan. I mean, how long is it gonna take? How many more days am I just gonna sit here in this no man's land eating weird Russian fast food? I mean, it says Burger King, but I can tell you it's not. And we'll figure something out. I promise. But I don't have a passport. I don't want to make a deal with the Russians. No one wants me. What do I do? How do I get out of here? Snowden fixes his eyes on Harrison, feeling frustrated and angry. Like, he can't hold her gaze. She's distracted, looking at a TV. Add this could be it. Well, I'm sorry, what? Your ticket out of the airport. Way to make your free man. What are you talking about? Look, look, right now. You see the TV? That's the president of Bolivia, Evo Morales. He was here in Russia. It was a regular trip, but but here's the thing. Morales is one of your boosters. He spoken out and says he supports you, and that pissed off in U.S. government. So how's that helping me? It helps you because now you have leverage. Apparently, the president oblivia was in the air, but the U.S. and its allies refused to let him fly over Europe. So they grounded his flight and started searching his plane. And you know why? Because they thought you might be on board. Of course you're here eating counterfeit cheeseburgers in an airport, but the whole thing is a huge embarrassment for Russia. Well, hold on because they can't conduct diplomacy with anyone who supports me. Exactly, and that's the plan. You don't need to trade government secrets to Russia. You just have to convince them it's in their own self interest to give you asylum. It's less disruptive to their country. And maybe they wouldn't mind playing hardball with the United States. Snowden choose his lip as he thinks this over. Can he really convince Russia just to let him be? Convince them that as a free man, he'd be enough of a thorn in the side of the United States to be worth it to give him asylum. Without having to trade government secrets. It's the night of July 2nd, 2013 in Honolulu, Hawaii. Lindsey mills grabs a can of lighter fluid and approaches a metal trash can. Inside the bin are the last of Edward Snowden's possessions. It's not much. Some socks, a few photos, a Rubik's Cube, the FBI took everything else that mattered, including Snowden's computers and papers. Anything else that could fetch a few dollars mill sold at garage sale. It's been a bizarre time. She's been staying with a friend in San Diego, trying to live a normal life, but at some point, she knew she'd have to come back to Hawaii, and end this chapter of her life, before heading back home to Maryland, trying to start again. So mill shakes out the bottle of lighter fluid onto Snowden's belongings and grabs a match. She strikes it and drops it in the bin, sending a billow of flames leaping into the air. Mill steps back and watches as fire dances and crackles. Plumes of black smoke rising into the night air. It's a cathartic experience, saying goodbye to everything that might remind her of her life with snow. She thinks it's a step she needs to take to move on. But even though mills is trying to start a new life, if she's being honest with herself, she can't stop thinking about Snowden. She still wondering what's going to happen to him, whether he'll survive, or whether he's really going to spend the rest of his life in prison.
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"When Edward Snowden went public with his revelations about the NSA, he immediately became a target of the federal government. Snowden believed he was acting in the public's interest, but federal officials made the case that he'd broken the law and that he deserved a stiff penalty. Snowden knew that if he returned to the United States, there was a strong possibility he could spend the rest of his life in prison. It was even a chance he could face the death penalty, and with government officials working to have Snowden extradited to the U.S.. The whistleblower decided to go on the run, beginning a journey that he hoped would lead to South America. This is episode four, exile. It's the morning of June 23rd, 2013. On a city street in San Diego, Lindsay mills is driving around the block looking for a parking spot. Mills richer teeth as every spot is taken. If she doesn't find something soon, she'll be late for her exercise class. So mills hits the gas and turns a corner, looking for a spot somewhere on another block. Mills continues to scan the streets, looking left and right. But when she glances in her rearview mirror, mills goes rigid with shock. As a black sedan, trailing two cars behind her. It's the same kind of car that's been following her for days, one that almost certainly belongs to the FBI or something. Mills speeds up, trying to lose the tail. But the sedan keeps following her, always staying just a couple of cars behind. Male shakes her head. She's tired of this. She can't believe this is what her life has become. Just weeks ago, everything was normal. She and her boyfriend Edward Snowden were in a happy relationship, living what they felt was an easy life in Honolulu, Hawaii. But everything changed. After Snowden leaked government secrets, almost overnight, mill's life was turned upside down. Her photo appeared in the news. FBI agents began watching her 24 hours a day. They even brought her in for questioning, convinced that she was a co-conspirator, and Snowden's so called espionage. Mills denied having anything to do with the NSA or any government secrets. But no matter what she said, the government remained convinced she was tied up in Snowden's activities. Ever since federal agents haven't stopped following her, monitoring her every move. And if that weren't bad enough, the press got a hold of some photos, mills posted online, trying to look sexy. The Internet immediately went wild. People started posting a flood of spiteful and mean comments about her and her appearance. Altogether, it's been enough to make mills feel like she's losing her mind. It's the reason she signed up for this acrobatics class in downtown San Diego. She needs to let off some steam and clear her head. She's hoping that after she's gotten some mental distance from everything, she'll be able to start piecing her life back together. So mills continues driving down the street, watching the government car trail behind her. She's about to gun it to try to lose the car when her cell phone rings. It's Wendy. Edward Snowden's mother. Mills has always liked her. But over the past month, they've grown incredibly close. Bonded by the experience of being connected to the world's most wanted man. So mills answers the call. When Snowden's mother asks how she's been doing, mills doesn't hold back. She says she wants to be able to grab a coffee without being recognized. Wants to be able to drive down the street without being followed. She's worried that her house has been bugged. Maybe even this phone call is being recorded. It's all too much. And mills is struggling to understand how Snowden could have done this to her. Mills can hear Snowden's mother choking up on the other end of the line. Maybe mills laid it on too thick. She knows that Snowden's family is suffering just as much as she is. But after a long pause, Snowden's mother says she understands exactly how mills is feeling. It's been a very hard time. But Wendy Snowden says mills needs to remember what's most important. Her son wouldn't have done this if he hadn't thought it all the way through. He's careful and deliberate. He must have decided the risks to himself and his loved ones were worth it. Mills knows Snowden's mother's right. And she's glad everyone is talking about these secret government programs. But mill still can't shake the feeling of betrayal. She's proud of Snowden. What her life also feels like it's been ruined. Meals admits all her conflicting feelings just Snowden's mother. And then before she can stop herself, she starts to cry. As mills wipes away her tears, she can hear Snowden's mother sniffling too. For a moment, the two women remain quiet, lost in their shared grief. But Wendy Snowden breaks the silence. She reminds mills that there's something to be thankful for. They have each other, and they're not alone. It's June 23rd, 2013 in Hong Kong, and Edward Snowden is sitting in an airplane, gripping his arm rest. The plane still parked at the gate, and snowed in the staring, nervously, as the other passengers board the plane. Snowden feels like his body is in revolt. His mouth is dry, his stomach is in knots. He knows that every second they remain parked at the gate, he could be arrested, hauled away and thrown into prison. It's a miracle that hasn't already happened. Snowden managed to make it through check in and passport control and boarded a plane bound for Moscow. There are no direct flights from Hong Kong to Ecuador, so Snowden has to take a circuitous route. He plans to fly first to Russia, then to Cuba and then Venezuela. Finally, he'll fly on to Ecuador, where he's hoping he'll be granted asylum. But that multi step plan all depends on first getting out of Hong Kong, and Snowden isn't sure that's going to happen. Snowden turns to the neighboring aisle seat, where Sarah Harris is flipping through a catalog. Despite his initial misgivings, snow's Glaad, Sarah's joined him. As an adviser to WikiLeaks, she's been an invaluable source of information, giving him updates about the Obama administration, and their plans for Snowden if he ever returns to the United States. But he won't be going back if this plane would just take off. Snowden keeps Tapping his foot, waiting for the gate to close. Everyone is seated, he doesn't know why the plane isn't moving yet. And at that moment, Snowden falls into a terrifying daydream, the police driving down the tarmac, storming the plane, throwing him in handcuffs. It's enough to send Snowden into a mile panic attack. But then without any fanfare, the flight attendants close the door. They welcome the passengers on their flight to Moscow, go over safety procedures, and then the plane lurches back from the gate. The engines start to whine, and the plane jolts forward, going faster and faster down the runway. Snowden shuts his eyes, feeling the vibrations through his seat. And finally, the plane pitches into the air, and Snowden feels a strange, disembodied joy of being free. Later that day, Edward Snowden squints as he makes his way through the airport in Moscow, Russia. Snowden is following a customs agent through a first class lounge. It's empty and quiet. Nothing out of the ordinary. But as they walk through a long hallway and pass through a set of double doors, Snowden suddenly gets a bad feeling. Just minutes ago, Snowden was standing in line with Sarah Harrison, waiting to get a stamp on his passport. Just a simple step in the long trip across the world from Hong Kong to Ecuador. But while Snowden was in line, one of the customs agents approached him and Harrison, and led them away. Snowden assumed the agent was just going to check their bags and send them back in line. But now, as the agent leads them into a brightly lit room, Snowden realizes this is nothing ordinary.
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"It's late June 2013. In a working class neighborhood in Hong Kong, a siren whales, as a police car comes roaring down the street, the car turns a corner, and as it passes by a row of worn down apartments, Edward Snowden holds his breath. Snowden watches from the entryway of one of the apartments, as the police car heads down the block, and when it's finally out of sight, Snowden breathes a sigh of relief. The police haven't found him, not yet. Snow steps back out into the street and looks both ways. The coast seems to be clear, and while no one would suspect he's been hiding out in one of the poorest neighborhoods in Hong Kong, Snowden still knows he has to be careful. By now, Snowden has become one of the most famous people in the world. He's the subject of an international manhunt, and the United States government is doing everything it can to capture him and send them back home where he'll face charges of treason under the espionage act. Snowden never had any illusion about the danger he was bound to face. Just days ago, he met with a group of journalists in Hong Kong and blew the whistle on the U.S. government. Snowden revealed that the National Security Agency was spying on American citizens and gathering an unthinkable amount of private data from phone calls to emails to other online activity. The revelations immediately caused an international uproar. People across the world began debating the tradeoffs between privacy and national security. And while many believe Snowden is heroic, others, including the American government, want to see him locked up in prison. So Snowden has been hiding out in a safe house, but soon he's going to try to escape. Still jittery from the close call with the police car. Snow and scans the street. He needs to get to the Hong Kong airport, so we can fly to Ecuador. His attorneys believe that's where he stands the best chance of getting political asylum, and remaining a free man. But before he can let down his guard, Snowden knows he's going to have to navigate a series of unpredictable hurdles and threats, and the challenges begin with his ride to the airport. Minute later, a van pulls up in front of him. The van door slides open, and a woman with dark blond hair steps out into the sunlight. And, how fun is it time to go? You're Sarah? Yeah. And now that we know each other, come on, we gotta hurry. Well, okay, just hold on one second. There are no surprises here. Snowden knew he'd be getting picked up by Sarah Harrison and taken to the airport. Harrison is an editor and adviser at WikiLeaks, a website known for publishing classified documents, and she came recommended by Laura portress, the filmmaker Snowden has been partnering with. All of that means Snowden should be able to trust her. But now that it's time to go, Snowden is once again feeling uneasy. Well, sir, thanks for coming to pick me up, but before I get in that van. Tell me, how can I trust you? How do I know this isn't some kind of setup? And if this were a setup, you'd already be in handcuffs. Wait, come on. We don't have time for this. We've got to fly to catch. Now, we'll go in a second. I've got another question. Why are you doing this? Why are you asking that question? When you and I haven't met, but here you are writing in a band with dark, tinted windows, and I want to know it's safe. And you're safe. And I'm sticking my neck out for you. So please, let's go. I appreciate that. I know you flew all the way from London. But I still have to get some answers. So please, why are you doing this? And I don't know what to say, except I believe in what you did. I guess that's just how I'm wired. When I believe in something, I take action. I mean, isn't that how you operate? It is? Well, we understand each other. And that might mean you can trust me. Well, I'm getting there. But first I want to be clear about something. I'm not going to make any kind of statement on behalf of WikiLeaks. I'm not your mascot. Well, that's fine. We don't expect you to be our spokesman. Are you sure? Getting your name on this story would be a very big deal. And it's not about us. It's not about glory. It's about doing what's right. And right now, that's helping you get out of Hong Kong. So please tell me, are you ready to go? Snowden continues to hesitate. His nerves are shot. And while normally he likes to game out every possible scenario, he doesn't have the luxury. If he doesn't get out of Hong Kong soon, he'll be arrested and extradited to the United States. So Snowden odds and climbs in. And as the van pulls out into traffic, Snowden begins bracing himself for what's sure to be a day full of chaos. On his way to escaping Hong Kong, Snowden will have to avoid the police and the press. 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"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"10th, 2013 in Hong Kong. Edward Snowden is standing in front of a mirror, staring at himself, his heart pounding. He looks like a complete stranger. His facial hair is gone, his head is shaved. His eyes are a different color. Thanks to the pair of contacts he just put in. Snowden knows that if he ran into one of his friends on the street, they may not recognize him. But a disguise is not a plan. And that's a problem. Because with the pressure mounting to escape from the hotel, Snowden is going to need a way out. Something more than just a rudimentary disguise. By now, the entire world knows what Snowden looks like. They know his name, his backstory, and everyone knows that Snowden has been hiding out in Hong Kong. He revealed everything on camera. He wanted to be transparent and explain why he did what he did. But his honesty came at a cost. Members of the press immediately fanned out across Hong Kong, figuring out where Snowden was staying. Since then, they've been staking out the hotel, waiting for a chance to interview the now infamous whistleblower. This whole time, Snowden has remained tucked away in his hotel room. He knows that if he even walks out into the hallway, he could quickly be arrested and extradited to the U.S.. If that happens he'll almost certainly face charges of espionage. But he also knows he can't spend the rest of his life hiding in a hotel. Somehow he's going to have to get out and avoid the press and the police, then get somewhere safe. He figures out his next move. So Snowden walks away from the mirror and flips open his laptop. He begins chatting online with Glenn greenwald, who's hiding out in a hotel room of his own, along with two attorneys who agreed to represent snow. But greenwald says he has a plan that could allow Snowden to escape unnoticed. It's a simple plan greenwald said, but risky. The press has somehow managed to get green walls room number. And now there's a horde of journalists standing outside greenwald's room, waiting to get an interview. Every time greenwald opens the door, he's assaulted with camera flashes, but greenwall tells Snowden. They can also use this situation to their advantage. They can create a diversion that would allow Snowden to escape from the hotel. Green wall will open his door and step out into the hallway. The press will swarm around him, and greenwald will then walk down to the hotel lobby, leading the pack of journalists down with him. Once the coast is clear, the two attorneys will head over to Snowden's room, and together they'll sneak out of the hotel and head to a bridge that leads to a mall next door. Once they're safely hidden, anonymous in the crowd of them all. They'll make their way out onto the street and get somewhere safe. Snowden bites his lip. It does not sound like much of a plan, and they could very well get caught. But greenwald asked Snowden if they have any other options. The attorneys have a car waiting for them and they've arranged for Snowden to stay at a safe house. They just need to get out of the hotel and right now before it's too late. Snowden lets out a deep breath. Greenwald is right about that. He can't wait any longer. Otherwise, he's bound to be arrested and hauled off to prison. So Snowden tells greenwald that the plan is on, and it's time to move. Four days later, Edward Snowden stretches out on the floor of a crowded apartment in Hong Kong. He crosses his eyes and sticks out his tongue, and as he pitches his voice with a silly warble, a young girl across the room erupts in laughter. Snowden grants. It's been a rough few days, but this, making a little girl laugh as a bright spot. Snowden contorts his face, getting more giggles out of the young girl. And as he leans back against a wall stone looks out over this ramshackle apartment, a maze that his life has changed so dramatically. Right now, Snowden is tucked away in a safe house in one of the poorest neighborhoods in Hong Kong. His lawyer found the spot and said Snowden would be safe there. So far, the plan seems to be working. Everyone is looking for Snowden and 5 star hotels. They don't suspect he's living in a place the size of a shoebox, or that he's huddled together with 5 roommates from Sri Lanka and the Philippines. Like Snowden, these adults and children are waiting to see if Hong Kong will grant them asylum. It's a difficult state of legal limbo. And as someone who plans everything down to the last detail, Snowden is struggling with his current situation. He knows he has to apply for asylum as a political refugee, but before he can do that, the American government has to charge him with a crime until that happens, all Snowden can do is sit around and wait. Snowden makes another face at the little girl and gets another big laugh. Even though the lodging is poor, he likes these people. He relates to their pain. Snowden sticks out his tongue, and is about to make another cartoonish noise. When his phone rings, it's his lawyer. Hey, Robert, what's the latest? Hey, I've got some news. The government has now officially charged you with three felonies. Theft of government property, unauthorized communication of defense information, and the third is unauthorized communication of classified intelligence. Basically, everything we expected. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I got to admit it feels a little different when it's actually real. So what's their next move? They're going to try and get Hong Kong to extradite. No, not yet. And that means we've got some time. So I think we need to plan. Now, obviously, you could return to the United States and face trial. No, out of the question. I've already admitted to the crimes they've accused me of. They'll just lock me up. Well, and I wasn't advocating for a trial. I'm just presenting the options. Okay. Yeah, sorry to snap. What's option two? Option two is we apply for asylum in Hong Kong. We'd argue that the U.S. is charging you with a political crime, and therefore you're a political refugee. In that case, you could not be extradited. But I have to admit, it's a long shot. Still worth a try. And if that doesn't work? Well, we're reaching out to other countries. Trying to see if anyone's willing to grant you asylum. That sounds like a long process. Yeah, it may be. What do I do in the meantime? Well, for now, just sit tight in the safe house. Try to get some rest. But Ed, I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't say something to you. You need to start getting mentally prepared. If Hong Kong denies you asylum, they will honor an extradition request. And if that happens, we're going to have to move very fast. Snowden nods, trying to absorb this grave possibility. His lawyer isn't saying it explicitly, but if Hong Kong won't grant him asylum, he's going to have to go on the run. He's facing a potential life sentence back in the United States, and he's not yet ready to give up and march into a prison. So right now, Snowden's only option is to wait. He hopes at least one country will stand up to the United States and make a definitive statement about democracy and the importance of whistleblowers. But if that doesn't happen, or if this continues to drag out, it's known may have to take his chances and flee, going somewhere far from Hong Kong, and somewhere even farther from the United States. From wondering, this is episode three of Edward Snowden from American scandal. In our next episode, Snowden flees Hong Kong, he faces unexpected complications as the U.S. government works to bring him to trial. If you like our show, please give us a 5 star rating and leave a review. And be sure to tell your Friends. I also have two other podcasts you might like. American history tellers and business movers. 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"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"Guardian. Mills suddenly goes weak with fear. She doesn't know what's happened. But judging by her friend's voice, it sounds like something terrible. Mills races into the bedroom and crabs her laptop. She finds the newspaper's website and when it loads, she gasps. There at the top of the page is a photo of Edward Snowden. He looks pale and tired, but there's no doubt it's him. Mills clicks a video and watches a Snowden explains why he blew the whistle on the NSA, and his programs of mass surveillance. I'm no different from anybody else. I don't have special skills. I'm just another guy who sits there day to day in the office, watches what's happening and goes, this is something that's not our place to decide. The public needs to decide whether these programs or policies are right or wrong. Mills continues watching the video stunned. She can't make sense of this. The video, the news coverage, it's also surreal. And soon her phone begins to buzz with another call. Mills ignores it. But then the text messages start coming in. One after another, an endless torrent of chiming notifications. Mill turns her phone on silent and continues staring at the face of her boyfriend, who's sitting in some hotel room, far away in Hong Kong. It's too much. And while mills is proud of stuff, she's also furious and scared. Snowden just confessed to a crime. She thinks it's moral and righteous, but it's still a crime. And so large an event making international headlines. There's no chance their lives will ever
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"It's June 7th, 2013, and Honolulu Hawaii. Lindsay mills is riding on the back of a motorcycle, holding on to a friend. The bike maneuvers passed a honking taxi in a group of pedestrians. Mill's friend weaves and spotting a gap between cars, twist the throttle and sends the bike roaring down the street. They make a turn and head down an empty avenue. As I speed off into the distance, warm tropical wind washes over them. Mill shuts her eyes, feeling a sliver of relief. For the past year and a half, mills has lived on Oahu with her boyfriend Edward Snowden. They've been together for a long time. And for the most part, their lives have been happy and harmonious. But something has obviously gone wrong. Snowden told mills he'd gone away on some kind of work trip. She didn't think twice about it. He's always traveled a lot, but that was two weeks ago and mills has not heard from him since. What's even stranger is that Snowden was out on medical leave when he took off. Snowden has been suffering from epilepsy. But if he was having some kind of flare up, he wouldn't make sense for him to be traveling for work. And then everything got even stranger. This morning someone from the NSA called their house and asked if mills knew where they could find Snowden. Mills didn't know the answer to that question. She didn't even know what to make of it. And the more she thought about it, the more her mind has drifted to a worse case scenario. Snowden could be having an affair. Mills keeps trying to push away that thought. But looking at the facts, she can't think of another explanation. Mills opens her eyes as the motorcycle rounds a pen. It's another beautiful day in Paradise here in Hawaii. Riding on the back of this motorcycle only confirms it. But this was just an errand. She had to drop off her car for some repairs. Her friend was nice enough to give her a lift home. What mills really wants is just to get back to the house and be by herself. Mill's friend Todd turns down her street. But as they approach the house, mills spots a white SUV parked in the driveway. Two Men in Black suits are talking to her neighbors. Pointing at the small bungalow where mills and Snowden live together. It's very strange. The man looked like federal agents. Then it hits her. Maybe Snowden isn't having an affair. Maybe he's in trouble. The motorcycle slows down, but mills leans forward to whispers in her friend's ear. No, no, no, no, don't stop. Keep moving. Keep moving, go. What? Get us out of here. Mill's friend twist the throttle on the motorcycle races past the house. They head down the block and make a turn. When they're out of sight, her friend pulls over to the side of the road, kills the engine. Lindsey, what's going on? Who are those guys? I don't know. Are you in some kind of trouble? No, of course not. I'm not the one in trouble. What do you mean? Are you talking about Ed? I don't know. Maybe? I thought you said he was on a work trip. Yeah, that's what he told me, but now I'm not so sure. Those guys look like federal agents or something. I don't know what they want. But I don't want to talk to him and to have had some time to think. Okay. So where do you want to go? I don't know. Somewhere safe. So we're safe. Okay? Well, I've got an idea. Mill's friend starts up the bike, pulls back onto the road. They ride down a two lane street. A few minutes later, the bike steers into a parking lot. Starbucks, this is your idea of someplace safe. Yeah, it's clean, as bathrooms, there's coffee, you don't need anything else. Well, I guess. I mean, is that okay? We can go somewhere else. No, no, you're right. Let's just head in. This is fine. Mills jumps off the bike, makes her way to the Starbucks. But when she steps inside, her friend taps her on the shoulder. Over on the newspaper rack is a copy of The New York Times, and they are printed in black ink as a story with the words, NSA, whistleblower, and spine. A chill suddenly runs up her spine. Can't be. There's no way her boyfriend is connected to some big national story. But even as mill's wrestles with the thought, she can't help but admit it's not entirely impossible. Snowden could have leaked classified documents, and maybe he didn't say anything because he was trying to protect her. But if that's the case, if Snowden is the reason The New York Times is writing about the NSA, he could be in big trouble. And this isn't the last time mills is going
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"June 3rd, 2013, early in the evening in Hong Kong, and Edward Snowden is standing by a window in a hotel room staring out at the city. The sauna setting over the horizon, and down below traffic has begun to grow snarled, with cars honking and pedestrian swarming through the streets. Snowden turns away from the chaotic city life, and gazes across his small hotel room, which has grown messy and chaotic in its own ways. On the other side of the room, the documentary filmmaker, Laura poitras, is packing up her camera gear, spread all across the floor littering the ground. Next to her, Glenn greenwald, reporter for The Guardian, is hunched over his laptop, typing rapidly, only pausing to take a bite of something from room service. Snow just stands there. He's exhausted. At this point, there's not much more he can do. All day, he's been sitting with greenwald, getting interviewed on camera. The two have been discussing why Snowden smuggled out top secret documents from the NSA, and leaf them to these two journalists. Overall, Snowden thought he did a good job. He explained the citizens deserve to know the truth about their government. That the NSA surveillance of regular Americans is a threat to their freedom and democracy. The interviews went on for hours, but were a culmination of a plan that was months in the making. But now it's all done. As he paces around the hotel room, Snowden realizes the story is largely out of his hands. Poitras is going to stitch together a film, and greenwald is going to write and publish his stories. The world is about to know the truth about the NSA, but Snowden is not entirely ready to step aside, because he still needs some assurances from the journalists. He wants to make sure they're going to do their job responsibly. Snowden steps over a tray of dirty plates, and sidles off the green wall. So Glenn, we covered a lot. What do you think you're going to write about first? Wow. I'm going to write three or four articles, I think. Send them off to my editors. Then we'll figure out what we're going to publish first. All right. That makes sense. But look, I want to remind you, I reached out because I trusted you with his story. Oh, I know that. I mean, you're both good journalists. You both have good ethics. Well, thank you, Ed, but where is this coming from? What's going on? Snowden taps his hand against his chest as he prepares his next word. Well, Glenn, I just. I want you to promise me that you're going to vet all the documents I hand it over. Oh, you don't have to worry about that. We'll do our job. I'm serious. The public has to know the truth, but I need a promise. This information can't put any innocent people at risk. And I'm telling you, don't worry. I've dealt with sensitive material. I know what I'm doing. Okay, but I don't think you should be so cavalier. No one has ever dealt with anything like this, not at this scale. We can't afford any mistakes. And we're not going to make any. No, no, you have to listen to me. If we don't do this right, real people could get hurt. And if that happens, it wouldn't just be a tragedy for them. It would kill the story. The government could justifiably say I endangered people's lives. And then everyone's attention will suddenly shift. No one's going to care that the government is violating the constitution. Not when they think I did something reckless. I hear that. We're on the same team. You have my word. I'll be careful. Okay. Fine. But also, this can't drag on forever. Officially, I took medical leave to come here, but my bosses at the NSA are already emailing me, trying to figure out what's going on. Pretty soon, they're going to realize something's up. I want them to get a jump on the story and find some way to discredit me. Greenwald's size. Ah, well, I understand the urgency, but had listened to what you're saying. You want me to be careful, but aggressive. Thorough, but fast. I know. It's a lot. Of course it's a lot. And I'm sure you're full of a million emotions right now, but you have to remember something too. You can trust us to do our job. We'll do it the right way. Yeah, okay. And hey, ad, look at me. I want you to do something. Take a deep breath, okay? Look me in the eyes, and tell me, honestly, do you want to do this? Are you ready? Snow invites his lower lip as he gazes at the reporter. Greenwald is right. He's full of a million conflicting emotions all at war all leaving Snowden feeling dizzy and overwhelmed. But Snowden didn't come this far to back out. So he nods tell screen Walt, he's ready. Greenwald rises, claps nodding on the shoulder. It's game time. Soon, the guardian is going to start publishing stories, and when they do, millions of people around the world are going to wake up to a shocking truth.
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"Before the police find him and lock him up. Snowden turns over in bed, as mill bats at the clock without opening her eyes. Managing to turn it off. As she drifts back to sleep, Snowden slides over and wraps his arm around her. And you're squishing me. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm just gonna miss you. It's only a couple days. I know, but you're the best person I've ever met in my life. Mills opens her eyes to crack and squints its Snowden. What's up with you? I'm just been difficult to be with lately. I know that. It's okay. I'm used to it. I know, but I am sorry. And what's going on? Are you sure everything's okay? Yeah, it's fine. I just love you. You know that, right? No matter what, I love you. I do know that. And I love you too. Mules rises and kisses Snowden on the cheek. But I gotta get up or I'll miss my flight. Let me give you another squeeze. Add seriously, you gotta let go. I gotta get ready. You're the one who said I deserve some time away with my friends. I did. I did, and you're right. Get up, go. Have a great time. I will. And I'll see you when I get back. Mills gets up and starts getting dressed. And as he lies in bed watching, Snowden tries to hold it together. He still can't believe he's doing this. A few minutes later, mills is ready to go. She heads to the front door and says goodbye. Snowden tells her one last time that he loves her. She says she loves him too. And then mills opens the door, steps out and walks away. Snowden shuts his eyes, and before he can help it, he erupts into loud, wrenching sobs. He's done a lot of hard things over the past year, but this was the hardest. His old life, the life he loved, is over. And in two days, Snowden is going to start a new life as a whistleblower. He'll probably end up in prison, but when all is said and done, Snowden believes the sacrifice will be worth it. That this was the right choice. From wondering this episode two of Edward Snowden from American scandal. In our next episode, Snowden partners with a team of journalists and tells his story to the world, but with his accusations rocking the United States government, Snowden faces greater threats than he ever thought possible. If you like our show, please give us a 5 star rating and leave a review. And be sure to tell your Friends. I also have two other podcasts you might like. American history tellers and business movers. Follow on Apple podcasts, Amazon music or wherever you're listening right now, or you can listen to new episodes early and ad free by subscribing to 1° plus in Apple podcasts or in the wonder app. You'll also find some links and offers from our sponsors in the episode notes, supporting them helps us keep offering our shows for free. Another way you can support the show is by filling out a small survey at wondering dot com slash survey to tell us what topics we might cover next. You can also find us and me on Twitter, follow me at Lindsay a Graham, Lindsey with an a, middle initially, and thank you. If you'd like to learn more about Edward Snowden, we recommend his autobiography permanent record. This episode contains reenactments and dramatized details. And while in most cases, we can't know exactly what was said. All our dramatizations are based on historical research. American scandal is hosted, edited an executive produced by me, Lindsey Graham for airship. Audio editing, my Molly Bach, sound designed by Derek Barrett, music by Lindsey Graham. This episode is written by Austin reckless, edited by Christina malsburg, our senior producer is Gabe ribbon, executive producer, our Stephanie Jen's, Jenny Lauer beckman, and Marshall Louis for wondering. When you're scrolling through social media, how can you tell what's real? Anything can be posted online without being fact checked. But if you heard about the secret to permanent weight loss, wouldn't you give it a follow? Tanya zuckerbrot, founder of the trendy high fiber F actor diet has celebrity followers, including megyn Kelly, and supermodel Olivia Culpo. But allegations of troubling side effects with the diet began to surface and people started a question is she selling powder or power? Emily gellis, a popular fashion influencer, saw these allegations and put the diet on blast to her own large social following. She launched a crusade to expose Tonya and the F factor diet. What was once an online feud, escalated into the real world, resulting in threats, lawsuits, and a whole lot of drama. From wondery comes a new series about wealth, wellness, and influence. Listen to fed up on Apple podcasts, Amazon music, Spotify, or you can listen early and ad free by joining wondery plus in the wondery app.
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"In early 2013, the documentary filmmaker Laura poitras received an encrypted email from a mysterious source. The man claimed to be a member of the U.S. intelligence community, and he said he had proof that the National Security Agency was conducting mass surveillance of American citizens under the guise of fighting terror. And the reporter Glenn greenwald knew they couldn't turn away from the story. And even though they risked charges of espionage, the two journalists traveled to Hong Kong to interview their whistleblower. Poitras and greenwald would learn that their source was a 29 year old named Edward Snowden. He was a contractor with the NSA, and despite his young age, Snowden had pulled off one of the largest heists in American history. Snowden claimed to be a patriot, he said his leak was an effort to help protect American democracy. And as the journalists interviewed Snowden, they would learn that their whistleblower had a complicated backstory. He was an idealist, a former enlisted member of the military. Snowden had worked for the CIA and had a deep faith in American values. But to fight for those values, Snowden had decided to risk everything, including his personal freedom, and even the ones he loved. This is episode two, read, write, execute. It's the mid 1990s and Croft in Maryland. It's almost midnight on a school night, but Edward Snowden is still awake. The young teenager is perched on a chair inside his dad's home office. And he's holding a pillow over a modem as it connects to the Internet. The dial up modem hisses chirps and beeps, and Snowden heaves his weight against the pillow, trying to muffle the sounds. He can't let his parents know he's still awake, and back on the computer. If they catch him, his mom and dad are going to be furious, and they'll send him right back to bed. But for Snowden, going to sleep is not an option. Not too long ago, the CD rom drive on Snowden's computer broke. And that means he can't play any of his video games. Snowden feels driven to fix whatever's wrong. So a few hours ago, Snowden went online and posted to an electronic bulletin board. He wanted to know if there was some way to fix his computer. Snowden spends a lot of his time with this online community, and he's certain that by now someone has responded with an answer. But to get the answer, Snowden needs to make his way onto the Internet, and the modem needs to hurry up and connect. Finally, the beeping and chirping comes to a stop and Snowden is online. He tosses aside the pillow, and plunks down into the desk chair, logging into the bulletin port. As he scrolls through an endless list of posts, Snowden's eyes light up. Ever since his dad brought home their first family PC when he was 9. Snowden has been obsessed with computers. He quickly learned how to build and program them. He became something of a whiz kid. And he learned everything by talking to people online. Once he posted a question about why a piece of hardware wasn't working. And in a wild turn of events, a computer science professor wrote a four page response, explaining how to fix it. Snowden was flabbergasted. He couldn't believe a professional academic would take time to help him. A kid in suburban Maryland. But that's what's great about being online. You're anonymous. No one on the bulletin board knows that Snowden is pale and scrawny with big glasses or that he's just a kid. On the Internet, Snowden is free to be whoever he wants. Sitting in his dad's office, Snowden scrolls through the bulletin board, looking for his post. There are lots of conversations to get through. But finally, Snowden spots what he's looking for and gets a sudden jolt of excitement. There are over 20 responses. Snowden is certain someone is going to have an answer about his CD rom. But as he starts reading, Snowden realizes that most of the responses aren't about hardware, they're about the upcoming consumer electronics show in Las Vegas. It's a premier showcase of technology and new products, and everyone is begging Snowden to come. Snowden size. He'd love to go. But CES is not exactly meant for someone in junior high. Although he's already told his online friends he can't go. It seems like they won't take no for an answer. Snowden doesn't want to upset these people. They're the best part of his life. It's his whole life, really. He sleeps through most of the day at school, and his classmates make fun of him for being obsessed with computers. But if he tells his online friends why he can't come to a show in Vegas, everyone will know who he really is. Just a kid. So Snowden gets up from his seat and begins pacing back and forth. His mind racing. He doesn't like lying. It doesn't feel right to hide the truth. But he also doesn't want to spoil anything and lose his place in this community. But the longer he thinks about it, the more Snowden realizes he can't keep hiding. So he takes a deep breath and sits back down. Then he begins typing out a reply. Snowden tells everyone that he appreciates the imitation. He wishes he could go to Vegas and see all the new cool tech, but he can't go because he's a kid. Snowden's hands start shaking, and he almost deletes the message. But instead, with a single keystroke, he hits send and waits. Snowden feels nauseated. But almost immediately, a reply pops up. The guy writing says he's amazed. He can't believe Snowden is so young and knows so much about computers. Snowden sits back, grinning,
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"With a Curt nod. She's in two. The two of them then follow their source to a small elevator. And as they step inside, pointers tries to remain calm. It's only a matter of time before they find out if this is real, or some kind of elaborate trap. Moments later, Glenn greenwald, Laura poitras, and the pale young man in a T-shirt, step out of an elevator onto the tenth floor. The three of them walk down a carpeted hallway. Greenwald's heart pounds in this chest. He too knows this could be a setup. They could be arrested. Or maybe this young man is actually their source. Either way, greenwald wants to move fast and start the interview. They may not have much time before something happens. Someone is dragged away in handcuffs. Just stand the young man stops in front of a hotel room. He inserts his key card and swings open the door, and when they step inside the man apologizes for the mess. The bed is unmade, and dishes from room service are all over the floor. The man opens a mini fridge, tells greenwald and poitras to put their cell phones inside. He explains there's always a chance someone could activate the microphones remotely. The man then grabbed some pillows from the bed, and jams them underneath the door of the hotel room. That should keep anyone in the hallway from listening in on their conversation. Greenwald thinks normally this would look a little paranoid. But after everything he's now read about the NSA's secret programs, he's certain that these precautions are necessary. Queen wall grabs a chair and takes a seat, as poitras begin setting up her camera. A moment later, she announces she's recording. Greenwald suddenly feels stiff and uncomfortable. They didn't have any time to warm up to each other, no pleasantries or small talk, straight business. But that's what this situation calls for. So greenwald pulls out his notebook and tells the man he'd like to jump right in. They have a lot to get through. The source agrees and taking one last look at poitras, greenwald clears his throat and asks the most pressing question. What is the whistleblower's name? And where does he work? The man nods and says his name is Edward Snowden. He's 29 years old, and he works as an analyst for the NSA in Hawaii. Greenwall pauses to let this sink in. This is happening. This is real. He's now officially met the man responsible for the biggest national security leak in American history. A man willing to risk his life in order to confront the United States government. Greenwald has so many questions. He wants to know what motivated this young man to take such a big risk. How did he get access to such highly classified material? And how did he manage to pull off such an enormous heist? Greenwald's head spins as he considers his next question. There's so much to discuss, but they'll just have to do this one question at a time, and pray they don't get caught. From wondering this is episode one of Edward Snowden from American scanner. In our next episode, we go back in time when in the wake of 9 11, a younger Edward Snowden was inspired to serve his country. But Snowden's beliefs would soon be challenged as he discovered the dark side of the NSA. If you like our show, please give us a 5 star rating and leave a review. And be sure to tell your Friends. I also have two other podcasts you might like. American history tellers and business movers follow on Apple podcasts, Amazon music, or wherever you're listening right now, or you can listen to new episodes early and ad free by subscribing to one plus in Apple podcasts or in the wandering app. You'll also find some links and offers from our sponsors in the episode notes, supporting them helps us keep offering our shows for free. Another way you can support the show is by filling out a small survey at wondery dot com slash survey to tell us what topics we might cover next. You can also find us and me on Twitter, follow me at Lindsay a Graham, Lindsey with an a, middle initially, and thank you. If you'd like to learn more about Edward Snowden, we recommend the book's dark mirror by Barton gellman. No place to hide by Glenn greenwald, and the documentary film, citizen four from lower pointers. This episode contains reenactments and dramatized details, and while in most cases we can't know exactly what was said. All our dramatizations are based on historical research. American scandal is hosted, edited an executive produced by me, Lindsey Graham for airship. Audio editing by Molly Bach, sound designed by Derek Barron's music by Lindsey Graham. This episode is written by Austin reckless, edited by Christina malls burger. Our senior producer is Gabe ribbon. Executive producers are Stephanie Jen's, Jenny Lauer beckman, and Marshall Louis for wondering. When you're scrolling through social media, how can you tell what's real? Anything can be posted online without being fact checked. But if you heard about the secret to permanent weight loss, wouldn't you give it a follow? Tanya zuckerbrot, founder of the trendy high fiber F factor diet, has celebrity followers, including megyn Kelly, and supermodel Olivia Culpo. But allegations of troubling side effects with the diet began to surface and people started to question is she selling powder or power? Emily gellis, a popular fashion influencer, saw these allegations and put the diet on blast to her own large social following. She launched a crusade to expose Tonya and the F factor diet. What was once an online feud, escalated into the real world, resulting in threats, lawsuits, and a whole lot of drama. From wondery comes a new series about wealth, wellness, and influence. Listen to fed up on Apple podcasts, Amazon music, Spotify, or you can listen early and ad free by joining wondery plus in the wondery app.
"edward snowden" Discussed on American Scandal
"Weekday afternoon in late 2012. Edward Snowden is carrying a desktop computer through a long and empty hallway. The walls are reinforced with concrete, and the lights overhead are bright, fluorescent and buzzing with menace. Snowden pauses to set down a large computer and catches breath. He wipes away a bead of sweat from his forehead, and then Snowden shakes out his arms. He grabs a computer again and continues down the corridor, hoping he won't run into anyone. As he hurries down the hallway, Snowden tries to reassure himself that he's going to be fine. He's 29 years old, pale and lanky, looking a lot like the other guys here in this government installation outside Honolulu. The building is buried deep underground underneath an old pineapple field. Everyone working here had to say goodbye to the Hawaiian sun, except that they aren't going to get much of a tan. So snow knows he doesn't look out of place, and it's not that suspicious for him to be carrying an old computer. He's an analyst with a National Security Agency, the kind of guy who spends his entire day on a computer. And this underground building is where he works. Still Snowden can't help but feel rising panic that's threatening to overwhelm him. He's about to carry out a dangerous plan. Snowden is going to blow the whistle on the United States government. He's going to reveal that the NSA has been conducting mass surveillance on American citizens without their knowledge. Snowden firmly believes the public deserves to know the truth that American democracy could be at risk if the country's intelligence agencies are left unchecked. But Snowden is also aware that doing the right thing could land him in prison. So he has to be careful. He has to get back to his office with this old PC, a computer that's central to his plan. And if he sees anyone, Snowden has to make sure they don't ask too many questions. Snowden rounds a corner when suddenly he spots a director of IT. Snowden looks left and right, his heart pounding. But there's nowhere to escape. Hey, Ed, I was just looking for you. Hi. What's up? Calling nothing serious. You've been running, you a little sweaty. Run it? No, I'm allergic to exercise. Okay, but you're doing all right? Yeah, I'm fine. I'm just a sweaty guy. All right, well, anyways, I've been getting reports of an Internet slowdown. Just wanted to know if you guys were having issues too. Just fine. I think, you know, thanks for checking, though. See you around. Snowden begins to walk forward, but the IT director lays a hand on his shoulder. Well, hold on, hold on. What do you got there? One of the old dells? Yeah, yeah, actually it is. I thought we got rid of those when we upgraded. But it's funny, there's a whole closet of them. Why is that funny? What are you doing with it? Oh. You know, just a snowman's mind, races, trying to come up with a good response. Stealing government secrets. The IT director pauses, giving Snowden a long and skeptical look. And for a moment, Snowden is certain he's about to get caught. But then the IT director bursts out laughing. Ed, you. You are a weird one. All right, I'll see you around. The director collapsed Snowden on the shoulder and walks away. And once he's out of sight, Snowden exhales and relief. That was close. Snowden was certain his plan was about to go up in flames. But somehow, he survived. And now Snowden just needs to finish carrying out the plan. Snowden shifts the computer in his forearms and hustles to his office. There he shuts the door and sets down the old desktop machine. Snowden gazes at the computer, reviewing the monumental task in front of him. He's about to steal top secret documents from the NSA. You'll store them on this old computer, which doesn't have to be connected to government servers. It's safe and secure, and once he sorts through everything, Snowden is going to leak the files, show the public that the government has been breaking the law. American scandal is sponsored by viator. Why do you travel? Is it the airports? The rental car lines? No, it's the experiences. The memories that for me last well beyond the trip. I remember the submarine ride in Maui with my daughter. The concert in Vienna with my wife, and to help you find and enjoy experiences like these, there's viator, the world's leading travel experience marketplace, via tour offers everything from simple tours to extreme adventures, and all the niche, interesting stuff in between. So if you're planning a trip, download the viator app now and use code via tour ten for 10% off your first booking and viator's world of wonderful experiences, viator, one site, over 300,000 experiences you'll remember. American scandal is sponsored by peloton. It doesn't matter if it's good for you. 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Lawmakers Allege CIA Is Spying on Unwitting Americans
"24 hours senators, CIA has a secret program that collects American data. This should not surprise you, by the way, at all. Even though the Central Intelligence Agency is forbidden by its charter to actually do work domestically. It should not surprise you the CIA is breaking the law and doing it anyway. Quote, the CIA has a secret undisclosed data repository that includes information collected about Americans. Two Democrats on the sent intelligence committee said. While neither the agency nor lawmakers would disclose specifics about the data, the senators alleged the CIA has long hidden details about the program from the public in Congress. Ron wyden of Oregon and Martin Heinrich of New Mexico sent a letter to top intelligence officials, calling for more details about the program to be declassified. Large parts of the letter, which was set in April of 2021 and declassified Thursday, documents released by the CIA were blacked out. Widen in Heinrich, said the program operated quote outside the statutory framework that Congress and the public believe that can govern this type of data collection. There have been long concerns about what the information, the intelligence community collects domestically, driven in part by previous violations of American civil liberties. The CIA and National Security Agency NSA, which Edward Snowden worked for, have a foreign mission, and are generally barred from investigating Americans or U.S. businesses, as I said. But the spy agency sprawling collection of foreign communications often snares Americans messages and data incidentally. So I've known plenty of people that worked at the CIA and high levels of the CIA. And whenever I confront them on this, I say, so the CIA is forbidden from doing work domestically. They laugh, they say, yeah, no one pays attention to that. CIA is whatever they want. People that have worked in the CIA openly admit it.
Lewis and Logan
Edward Snowden Will Seek Russian Citizenship Ahead of Son's Birth
"An American who revealed secrets of the National Security Agency wants to be a Russian citizen. Edward Snowden has said he's applying for a Russian passport for the sake of his unborn son. A whistle blower and his American wife, Lindsay Mills, revealed last week she is pregnant, Snowden wrote on Twitter. They were getting Russian citizenship to ensure they won't get separated from their son. In this time of pandemics and closed borders, he said they will remain American citizens and he hopes still to return to the U. S. Snowden is being living in Moscow since 2013. When he was given political asylum after he leaked documents revealing vast surveillance by the NSA.
BBC World Service
Football Leaks trial to start in Portugal
"Is due to begin today in Portugal of a computer hacker who leaked the documents exposing dubious deals involving top football clubs, agents and players. Rui Pinto's Football League's Web site release large numbers of secret documents that triggered criminal investigations into leading players in several countries. The face is 90 criminal charges, including computer fraud, attempted extortion and violating privacy of correspondence. Listen, Roberts reports from Lisbon. Why Pinto faces 90 charges, including attempted extortion relating to the computer hacking of the Lisbon Football Club, sporting the Portuguese Football Federation and the office of the attorney general. The 31 year old hacker was in prison on remand for over a year before being transferred to house arrest and then last month released after agreeing to collaborate on other cases. Among witnesses called by the defense in this case are the head of Portugal's criminal investigation. Police and the US whistleblower Edward Snowden, one
BBC World Service
Rui Pinto Football Leaks trial starts in Portugal
"A trial is due to begin today in Portugal of a computer hacker who leaked the documents exposing dubious deals involving top football clubs, agents and players. Rui Pinto's Football League's Web site, release large numbers of secret documents that triggered criminal investigations into leading players in several countries. He faces 90 criminal charges, including computer fraud, attempted extortion and violating privacy of correspondence. Listen, Roberts reports from Lisbon. Pipin to faces 90 charges, including attempted extortion relating to the computer hacking of the Lisbon Football Club, sporting the Portuguese Football Federation and the office of the attorney general. The 31 year old hacker was in prison on remand for over a year before being transferred to house arrest and then last month released after agreeing to collaborate on other cases. Among witnesses called by the defense in this case are the head of Portugal's criminal investigation, Police and the US whistleblower Edward Snowden.
Daily Coronavirus Update
Virginia Becomes First State to Try Covidwise Pandemic App From Apple, Google
"The first Bluetooth exposure notification APP has launched in Virginia and it's called covert. Wise. The APP uses Bluetooth chirps to detect if you've been in close contact with someone who has tested positive while it's very easy to use or to really be effective in needs widespread adoption. Jeffrey Fowler Tech Columnist at The Washington Post joins us for this useful APP with very little privacy risk. Thanks for joining US Jeffrey. Wanted to talk about this APP out of Virginia, it's called COVID. Wise. It's an exposure notification APP using Bluetooth on your phone. So you might have some other contact tracing APPs with regards to corona virus. One is a Little Different Your Bluetooth sends out pins basically, and if you've come into contact with somebody for more than fifteen minutes and you're within six feet distance, the APP might tell you you've been exposed then you can go get a test all that. Usually we bring you on on the PODCAST Jeff, we're talking about privacy with apps and things like that, and in this case you've kind. Of, run. This thing through many tests and you've kind of come to the conclusion that your privacy really is an at risk and it would actually be a benefit if people were a lot of people downloaded this thing so we can try to keep this thing under control. So Jeff, tell us a little bit about covert wise and the tests you ran through it and what your conclusions were. Nobody was more surprised than me. The big problems that a lot of these APPs and the idea of using our phones to help track exposure to the coronavirus has had is that people frankly just don't trust tech companies and they just don't trust the government and I can't blame you companies have done very little to earn that trust and Edward Snowden taught us all that the government really can't be trusted either. But that said when Google and apple this. Spring got together and said, Hey, they thought that they had figured out a way to make our phones useful for figuring out if we were exposed to some of krona virus I was intrigued because they said they were going to build it from the ground up with privacy in mind. So we finally got the first of these in the US in the state of Virginia Colbert wise and it came out earlier in August and it was there I was like. We gotTA test. We got to see if they really live up to the promises and from everything we've been able to tell so far from our testing I've had thirty five colleagues at the post to live in Virginia and they're all testing for me. We learn two things. First thing we learned is that that doesn't seem to be really much of a privacy risk here these APPs Bluetooth to communicate to phones nearby they don't collect your location they don't. Send information about where you've been a her you've been in contact with to the government. It's actually a pretty clever system looked under the hood as well. Just just to double check they weren't sending out more information than than they claim and they work. That was the first thing. The second thing we learned is we still don't know actually this idea is going to work very well, those thirty five Washington Post colleagues who were testing them none of them got. -cation from this APP over a ten day period. Now, that could be for many reasons. It could be like they were just being really good at social distancing. It means that not many people around them. We're using it or it could mean that there's some problems with the idea that the phones can do this. But only way we're going to really figure that out is if a lot more people try it and that's one of the interesting parts experts estimate that up to sixty percent of the population needs to be using these exposure apps for them to. Be. Effective. So in Virginia that means they need about five million people to download it. But in its first weeks, covert wise got three hundred and eighty thousand downloads so very far short of that number needed. But there's other things that are kind of become a problem with this is in Virginia just by itself, but there's no big national system. So say you travel between states just whatever you come into contact with somebody else maybe using a different APP it's not this cold wise one. You know it's not all going to work. So seamlessly America's APP expeditionary. Strategy suffers from. Some of the same problems as the rest of our coronavirus strategy and that it's very local based very steep based. So as it set up right now in the United States, every state health department would have to make their own version of one of these APPs fads expressed any interest even though in other countries, it is kind of national government that's been working on these kinds of APPs. The good news is that about twenty states? Now have said that they're working on these kinds of Virginia three more joint it. So we already four out there in the wild and has been announced and effort that would make these absolute communicate with each other a little bit so that you could cross state borders with it. So that's a work in progress but not there yet,
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Trump says he will look 'very strongly' at granting pardon to whistleblower Edward Snowden
"Snowden may be able to stop hiding out in Russia President Donald Trump's considering pardoning the former NSA contractor who's been in Russia. It's leaking intel that said, the U. S government buying honest, I mean, I'm not that aware of the Snowden situation, but I was looking at it. There are many, many people. It seems to be a split decision that many people think that hey, should be somehow created differently, and other people think he did very bad things and I'm going to take a very good look at it. In 2016 the president said he thought Snowden is a traitor, and he would deal with him harshly.
This Week in Tech
Trump wants to ban Tik Tok
"Actually let's talk a little bit about Tick Tock today I performed this morning. An Act of rebellion. I downloaded installation talk on my iphone because who knows how much longer I'll be able to do it it's very confusing I don't know what's going on. Tick Tock, which is owned by the Chinese company Bite Dance Safest that committee. Or foreign investment in the United. States apparently is investigating I. Think they actually issued a ruling saying that like, wow away tick tock was a threat to the United States One of the ways tiktok became really big as by acquiring a couple years ago musically, which is really I think from what I see on. tiktok kind of the backbone of what Tick Tock is these days, which is lip synching or acting or dancing to an original track It's it's very entertaining. It's a it's probably the most engaging social network out there. But apparently, it's a threat to our way of life. On Friday the president on Air Force One. said that he was about to ban it as soon as yesterday. From the United States I'm not sure under what law safest can do it I think. But I don't know if the president can by executive order banning application. then for the last week Microsoft Been. Negotiating to buy the American rights to talk to kind of create a tick tick Tock America that would be separate from the Chinese bite. Dance. TIKTOK. But then the president says I'M GONNA ban it but I don't want anybody to buy it. So, micro-. Microsoft said. Threw their hands off and said figure it out and there. They didn't end the conversation with bite dance. Apparently, they were fairly close but they're not forwarding it until they find out what happens I'm GonNa make a prediction. Nothing is going to happen except now people are going to download and use TIKTOK. Brianna is tick tock a threat to national security. It's not a unique threat to national security. We need to have a conversation about the kinds of information social media APPS are able to download from our phones. We all remember the scandals of facebook on android downloading your tire phone list gang everyone you've ever called. We need to have a conversation about that, but there's there's really no evidence that what Tiktok is pulling is any greater than what you know facebook instagram these other social media sites are. Pulling so far. So we need a wider discussion about that. How's it just want to say I wish I could tell you this was just trump in the Republicans that would make me very happy. My heart broke today to see Chuck Schumer on the Sunday morning shows advocating the same thing tech talk. So you know it's it is we need to have a conversation about national security and the amount of information were giving up but it's I think. To just focus on TIKTOK. Sign of. Phobia. Or Zena Phobia Paris, you seem like a Tiktok user. I that's only because you're younger than. I. Did recently re downloaded when this whole. Wanted to make sure that I had it. I'm sure is a common response. I agree with everything the Brown said in the sense that I don't know I've been particularly disturbed by. The reactions to take talks, data collection both from the left and right and just. Experts in the tech field generally over the past couple of months because it is definitely coming from a place of seeing phobia. I mean, we have so many different. American. Made APPS that. Do many of the same things I mean one thing that I've seen noted quite often as to talk has the ability to see what you've. You know copied near Clipboard when guests so do most of the apps you have on your phone. Is Operatives. It's not a tiktok specific problem. This came up because of Iowa's fourteen, which is in public Beta now so people are suddenly using it and dozens of applications. I. Think must be a library that they all subscribe to infect somebody a couple of weeks ago. Somebody told me that it was. Ad Library I use of what a clearly noninvasive program from panic software Call Code editor, which lets me log into my Server. with SSh and and edit files and things like that and it was. I got the same thing that you get on Iowa's fourteen O, coders looking clipboard every time I typed to character. Now I don't think coded only panic software famous for an FTP program and this H. Program is at spying on me obviously, they're not. they're using the same code library. So it's a, it's a, it's a bug. That's what Lincoln Microsoft's linked in said as well. So. I think it's also just one of those things where if you're building an APP especially in. The Tom I. Don't know there was a time when absence of for being built were there wasn't this conversation about security and privacy. Why would map designers not take the position of? Yeah. All the things maybe we'll need that information talk said quite credibly. We're just looking to see if you put a url on your clipboard so we can pasted in. That seems credible I. Don't know if you need to do it every single time I type of character that seems like more that book I can tell you firsthand from developing an Iowa it's often easiest just to get it submitted to the APP store to take a bunch of permissions and It's just it's like you're trying to debugging in. Store, to accept it is just quirky. I can't tell you how many times I in other APP developers have. Just it's a very, very quirky system. So I, think this is just in Beta. I think it's really important to point out as far as the impetus for this I personally do not think it's a coincidence that tiktok was widely credited for disrupting trump's Tulsa rally a couple of weeks ago and Sarah Cooper is so famous for she's making five star she's she's amazing and those videos are brutal to trump and I I don't. That's a coincidence. She does trump limps licks lip sync. And I was talking to a friend said you know is the trump on TV I can't understand what he's saying but then I watched Cooper and that makes sense Sarah ads expressions and Gestures and all kinds of makes sense all of us and so I don't think the president should be so quick to to not like Sarah purchase he's adding context Might have something to do with it certainly in his mind because we know. You know. I don't know what he's going to do to Cape Pop stands because they were the other the other group that apparently figured out that you could register took on trump's team has got to be wise enough to know you can't take on the capons stands. Being. The capon stands the United States would crumble. Yes. That would be it would be over right. You just can't win against the K pop stands So. They were both advocating people sign up for the Tulsa Rally and not not show and Honestly the fault lies with Brad Par Scout trump's former campaign manager and his campaign team for believing all those registrations and building a giant outdoor stage. Giant parking lot so that the millions of people who are going to be coming because they all registered would have somewhere to be, and then I loved. Well, I shouldn't say that that sounds partisan was interesting to see the one person with the baby stroller in that giant area and the rest of the arena half full or third full So I could see why he might be a little angry about that. Is there. No, Matt. And I'm not putting you in the position of speaking for the government I want to say that in fact, we should have said that. That Nazi for the. Federal government but you also having worked Akiko Google you understand how you know a little bit about how this stuff works the the there's not any proof that while way for instance, has ever done anything. Particularly Evil they've done some commercial espionage apparently, but nothing could particularly evil but there's the potential if they run the entire five G. Network that at some point, they could inject malicious software to the network or shut it down. Is What could Even even sounds stupid asking it. What could take time do? It's the forbidden APP. If you think about it if you don't have it on your phone, it could disappear at any time. No I think it's it's less about that although you do see companies like Amazon saying, Hey, on your work phone or work device please don't install. And they did it. Because they realize Oh we do business with these guys. Let's not this them off but wells Fargo did that I think the Department of Defense I don't know about you sds, but it's reasonable if you've got a company phone. Probably shouldn't have facebook or instagram on it either you right? Yeah. I keep my twitter and all that stuff very far away from work phone. It's my it's my personal account, but you know it's I can understand why people want to have just a a sense of okay. Let's be careful. Let's see what's going on and then You know just making sure that you can depend on the. Tools all the way down reflections on trusting trust. You can put things into a compiler, which then you can remove it from the source code and turns out that thing can stay in the compiler for years and years and years. So you know you don't WanNa be load bearing on any particular technology that you can't quite vouch for his guesses what people are thinking, what would be the legal? How could a president ban an APP in the United States I was thinking about this in the one thing the United States government is very effective at is We we we went after Isis in I sell at a very effective way instead of this Ip address to a recruitment site you can't access it. So my my guess would be the executive order would basically grafter the ISP's and say you can't go to this particular ISP but think about that I know of VPN products is sponsor show sponsored mind and to know how few seconds would take the average teenager together VPN account to just keep their tiktok going. Yesterday I downloaded the tiktok cap the first video that came up credit account 'cause I forgot my previous password was a if Tiktok it's banned. Here's how to get around it. You don't Vpn you can go into the settings, your phone, change your country of origin to Canada and then You're great. Exactly I mean it's not enforceable basically So I mean one thing Leo I think. Matt and I would probably agree that we do need to. I don't know if it's more oversight from the point of sale like on the APP store or Google play I I don't know if it's kind of an External Code audit policy for these kinds of APPs on their own by countries I. Think we agree we we need more oversight and we need to make sure all of these are not stealing data from people and just to get people very brief history lesson you know Edward Snowden had some very serious allegations about our own spying agencies using. Facebook to gather intelligence on people all around the world there's evidence for that. There's no hard evidence at this point the Tiktok is doing any of this. So if we're serious about doing this, the answer isn't to further balkanize the United States from the rest of the world the answers to form coalitions with other countries say look if you're going to operate here in, you know if you're gonNA have the software operating in our country here, the rule you have to follow you can't just arbitrarily download people's Phone books, there's going to be You know civil fights. That's clearly the way to go is got to be bigger than just tiktok. I'm just looking at Tick Tock on my iphone. It has access to my photos because I gave it access to my photo so I could put a profile picture on there. it gives me notifications I could turn that off. That's that's a push though that's not a poll. Background APP refresh means it can run in the background and cellular data doesn't ask for. location data doesn't ask for I mean facebook asks for ten times more. That's why I don't have it on my phone. I. mean the worst thing Tiktok does is waste millions of hours a productivity, and maybe that's a recent ban I don't know. But I, just I don't understand how it could be used. If it's not getting location permissions, how could it be used maliciously and I think it is getting location position. I know that I've know anecdotally at least from a couple of friends whenever they let's say go to Connecticut to visit family or something they will suddenly get Connecticut. Themed Tiktok content or something similar. Okay. that could just be from. Connection you can get that from the IP address so they could get a Geo location through IP address without asking APP without telling apple that they're doing that that would make sense. Okay. So they're getting them. Every cannon probably, I hate to say it probably does do that.
Wall Street Breakfast
Europe's Top Court Strikes Down Key Rules Of U.S.-EU Data Transfer
"In a major case, surrounding data privacy Europe's top court has invalidated the privacy shield. An EU US framework used to transfer personal data across the Atlantic. The ruling came in a clash between facebook. An Australian privacy activists Max Trams who has challenged the tech giants handling of EU citizens data ever since Edward Snowden spine revelations in two thousand thirteen, while the ruling does not mean an immediate halt to all data transfers outside the U. The court upheld the validity of standard contractual clauses. Two processors established in third countries scrutiny over data transfers will be ramped up a new system also have to be implemented, which guarantees that European data is afforded the same standard of privacy protection in the US.
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EU court invalidates data-sharing pact with US
"The European union's top court has ruled that an agreement that allows a big tech companies to transfer data to the U. S. is invalid and that national regulators it needs take tougher action to protect users data the ruling doesn't mean an immediate halt to old data transfers outside the EU there is another legal mechanism that some companies can use but it means that the scrutiny over data transfers will be ramped up and that the EU and the US may have to find a new system that guarantees that Europeans data is afforded the same protection in the US as it is in the E. U. the case began after former US National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden revealed in two thousand and thirteen that the American government was snooping on people's online data and communications center shockingly London
The surprising danger that deepfakes pose to the presidential elections
"Deep fakes. Those digital manipulated videos. That look scary. Real pose a threat to the upcoming presidential election. Real danger will surprise you. I'm Roger Chang and this is your daily charge me reporter John Salesman. Thanks for joining me Joan. Yeah it's great to be back on the daily charge so we've all heard of deep fix but you don't think there's actually a real risk in say candid footage of Joe Biden. Donald trump actually saying something crazy and swing voters. What's real danger deep fix with this election? The Deepak experts that I talk to yes. They said that they're not most worried about a candidate depict like that like something where Donald Trump or Joe Biden is admitting to a hot button. Crime or saying something really inflammatory with. They're more concerned about are two things. One is known as the Liars Dividend. And that's this concept that as more people know that the fakes exists that there can be these completely false highly realistic out there. It gives people who are caught in the act and are guilty more credibility when they deny something when they denial legit video by saying. Oh you heard deep fix. You can't trust what you see anymore. And that just muddies the waters and makes it harder for people to understand and trust what is truth. And what is fiction? Yeah that's that sounds very dangerous because that's like it damages the credibility of basically everything right. Because if you could point to this one thing is oh see this fake. It applies to everything essentially right. Yeah it makes it harder. You know we. Our brains have been wired for so long to believe what we see. And we've learned to you. Know as Photoshop came along and as other sorts of media manipulation have come a long. We've been able to catch up and at least be more skeptical of those but because video is tricking your eyes and your ears because the AI that powers depicts is so sophisticated and so good and making things look real. That's really really deep wiring in your brain telling you all these signals like trust this. Trust this trust this and so when people start saying. Hey you can't trust that anymore. It just means that it's harder for anyone to understand what's even real and speaking of the AI aspect of things you have a nice breakdown of how deep fix work like how how are these videos created defects are created by a kind of artificial intelligence called Ganz that's short for generative adversarial networks and the the the basic way that they work is they have to neural networks. Networks are a kind of learning. That's based on how the kind of inspired by how the brain works so imagine that these two neural networks are actually an artist and an art critic and they're locked in rooms right next to each other. The artist creates a painting trying to make something that looks like a masterpiece. And he shuffles that painting into a stack of other paintings that actually are works by the go or we're in war or whatever they take that stack moving into art critics room and art critic picks out which ones he thinks are a forgeries. The ones that aren't the real masterpieces. That feedback goes back to the artists and the artists gets better and better and better at figuring out how to make a really convincing fake masterpiece up to the point where he's able to he or she is able to. This artificial neural network is able to make something that can trick the critic into thinking that what is fake is actually real. That's how these sort of artificial intelligence systems work. So I mean that sounds complicated by no love this kind of working superfast background but how easy is it for someone to actually make a deep? Do It depends what kind of deep lake we're talking about. You know there are open source tools to make the kind of celebrity face swaps the Elon. Musk sauna babies had sort of thing. They're open source tool sick at that. They're not as easy. Those aren't as easy to make us like a meam or an animated Gif. You need to have technological savvy Know How to get. You need to have a pretty powerful computer you need. Large data sets unique things. That are more difficult than like making taking a photo putting some white text on it of course so those are berry accessible with are kind of acceptable. But what we're talking about here talking about election defects now. These are the kind of things all the experts that I talked to say. You know we have a lower hurdle to suspend disbelief when we're looking at Elon. Musk space on a baby. But when you're presented with a video of a candidate for president or the president of the United States we have a luckily human beings. Have they kind of set a higher bar that you have to clear to actually believe that it's true so what that means is kind of very sophisticated high end e fix that would threaten on election? Those are really reserved for people that work at universities or research centres powerful computers or state actors that have that kind of computing power like China at their disposal. So the idea here. That Kennedy fakes are less of a risk. Like what are some of the defects? We should be worried about what people are more worried about aren't necessarily these candidates it's more an a deep lake that attacks your faith in the election rather than your trust in a candidate so instead of having what are the reasons is at the state in our political discourse where we're very divided. I think everyone agrees that we're divided and our our opinions seem more entrenched than they had before and so in that environment it's harder to convince or sway voters either way with a fake video. You know like if you were to make a video of Donald Trump's hair flying off or something like it will only solidify your beliefs if you liked on trump you'll be like that's a fake. I like Donald Trump. Even more. If you don't like him you'll be like he looks Tom. I dislike them even more. And so a more cunning way to use a deep fake to disrupt the US election would be to create a deep fake of say like an authoritative news anchor or a governor or authority. Figure who not as many people know saying things like. We're in the age of Kobe. Nineteen we have marsh. It's two days before election martial law. You cannot go to your polling place or to create like news. Anchors saying there There are you know there are some sort of you. Know armed militants some sort of supremacists or militants. That are arming themselves. Going to polling places in a specific neighborhood these kind of people need to be scared about showing up to vote and in that way you can suppress votes and you can also after the vote undermine people's faith in the result if you have an authoritative figure saying something about how we have footage of vote-switching from trump to Biden That could so this sort of distrust not only in going to the election but after the election in the results themselves. That's an interesting point because it's it's not necessarily like a defect that would make Joe Biden. Say something like I killed the spurs like this is these are actually kind of believable is right. I think that's your point like this is a lot more coming. It's lot a lot more nuance but I think. That's what makes the lila easier to swallow the fact that it is all what you're saying. It's pretty plausible sounded. Yeah and the other thing to keep in mind. Is that a candidate. Deep fake would. It's kind of like this Yin and Yang. Were like the the head of the snake is eating the tail like a candidate. D. Fake would only be successful if it basically goes viral and lots of people see it right but when it goes viral. One thing that the. Us has say what you will about the US press core. We have a robust free Press we have a robust free press entrenched in our country other countries where there are dictatorships or more emerging democracies. They don't have that quite at their disposal as much as we do. So if a candidate of the president or Joe Biden were to come out. We do have the capacity here built into our democracy to have a force of people trying quickly as possible. To debunk it. Whereas if you were somebody that wanted to make a deep fake that could actually just robbed or suppress boats. It would be more successful if it doesn't go viral if it's not something that draws the attention of an entire press corps. That's entirely focused on this on this election. And so and that way could also kind of be the most successful not going viral kind of existing on the radar enough to disrupt people in say one or two counties that are really important in a swing states. And that wouldn't draw the attention of a national press corps debunk it well defects captial of tension and headlines is really just sort of one way to manipulate the Info right like this. We're looking at it a little bit too narrow. If we're just focusing on defects is that is that the case. Yeah you know. It's it makes sense that people would be scared of depicts because you know as we talked about earlier it. It undermines the species assumption. That if I see it I can believe it. And so that's why. There's a lot of fear around deep fakes and what they could pinch the harm that could potentially cause but the reality is you know because of some of these things we talked before about. How really sophisticated deep picks are still inaccessible to a wide right of people? That's not true for like you said memes for slowing down video like the Pelosi sounding drunk video that went viral. Those are kinds of media manipulations. Sometimes people refer to them as shallow fakes or cheap. Fix that have the power of being cheap easy and still incredibly effective. And so. That's why you know. One of the Edward Snowden slayer. Aclu lawyer this comparison. He said that you know looking at election information manipulation by only looking at depict looking at it through a straw. You're just not seeing. You're seeing something really scary. But you're not seeing the much. Bigger picture of how things could be disrupted in twenty twenty oxygen. Russia played a big role in. You know clouding the two thousand sixteen elections with misinformation disinformation. And you know you talked about how it takes a lot of resources for these fakes to be effective. Obviously Russia's a country with a lot of resources like should we should we be worried about Russia antiques. Well so I talked to one expert on the national security locations of depicts his. Name's Clint Watts. He testified to Congress. He testified to senators about just the sort of thing and he says you know anything's possible but Russia and their disinformation tactics. They are more skilled at the art of this information than they are at the science of deep fakery so they although anything's possible. Russia has lots of oil money could always who knows what Russia could do. But he's more interested in the potential in China or other places China in particular as a place. Where China has you know. They have supercomputers I think Stephen Shanklin expert on nonstop. He always has that but I think they have. More supercomputers than we have in the US or whatever compute they've got lots of supercomputers which is important for making the takes no for sure beyond supercomputers they've invested heavily artificial intelligence. The one leads in the world in a appear that neural network. That's that stuff is a recipe for a lot of potential problems. Down the line. Yeah in China they have completely synthetic television personalities like deep fake news anchors so that a very authoritative anchor can report on something without actually take time out of his day to report on it The fact that a country like that if if they wanted to do that then they could They are the ones that are in the best position to create a deep fake That would disrupt global geopolitics. But you know. State actors could create other kinds of deep fakes. That could cause other kinds of problems. Those are in the world so you know it's just doomsday scenario. No matter how you look at it well that's that's glorious and very positive Just lastly I mean I think we can all figure out that Elon. Musk is not really a baby. But are there giving advice for for like how despotic fake. Or or just a you know how to be a little bit more vigilant when looking at some of the content that surfaces around the web. Yeah so I asked everyone. I talk to you all the extra Saturday. I asked this question. And there's no silver bullet like little loophole that you can find for understanding it's fake For debunking it on your own. If it's a real deep fake than your eyes won't save you like watching it. You won't be able to tell that it's like that's the whole point of a defense that it's an AI. Created where the power of this artificial intelligence outstrips like. Our brains are very attuned human faces. But they're not so fast that they can keep up with how well deep fake technology can progress. And so you know. We don't have computers in our brains that are as powerful as supercomputers at research universities So the advice for normal people that are like hey how do I even know of this fake? It really comes down to like basic hygiene about what you're exposed to if you see a video and it seems like it's so outlandish that it couldn't be true than might not be and if you see a video that is clearly something trying to appeal to some person some segments inflammatory instincts. That's also reason to be skeptical defects just mean. Everyone needs to do what we should be doing with other kinds of manipulated media slowdown. And think before you share. It's hard to do and it's even harder when we're talking about deep ix but it's just as important to act that way what you're presented with a really realistic video as you would be if you presented with a mean or like a cheap slowed down video of a drunk. Nancy Pelosi Right. Yeah well. That's good advice in general whether it's an article or D do a little bit of Homework. Thinks through what you're actually looking at
Between The Lines
Kishore Mahbubani says COVID-19 won't stop China's rise
"These days for China there's been an economic slowdown a trade and technology war with America. One of the few issues of bipartisanship in today's Washington then there have been protests in Hong Kong global criticism of Beijing's treatment of the Muslim minorities not to mention Western anxiety about the role of Y in those five G. networks and don't forget the allegations of Chinese interference in sovereign states across the region. Add to this. The outbreak of corona virus or covered nineteen and silently some pundits and they mainly in the West. They're asking whether we're witnessing communist China's Chernobyl moment what do you think well one distinguished intellectual who profoundly disagrees with all this skepticism. He's my guest today. Kishore Mahbubani is distinguished fellow. The Asia Research Institute at the National University of Singapore a former ambassador to the UN twice and a former foreign secretary of Singapore case. Your has risen several influential books on Asia and the rise of China the lightest one is called has China won the Chinese challenge to American Promessi as published by public phase in New York Keisha. Welcome back between the lines. My pleasure there'd be back now you've heard all these. These dial warnings about China and as I say they mainly come from listeners. What do you disagree well? I think it's absolutely certain that the return of China to his place as the number one economy in the world cannot be stopped because from the year one to the eighteen twenty or eighteen hundred of the last two thousand years the two largest economies of the world were always those of China and India so the past two hundred years of Western domination award. History have been an aberration. All aberrations come to a natural end and China's return cannot be stopped. And that's absolutely set. You say in your book that if Xi Jingping does not put in place San Succession mechanisms. America could win this geopolitical contest and bear in mind just a couple years ago. She overturned legislation on. Term Limits for presidents essentially might himself later for life. Some of these critics say that. How does that promote good governance for China and a sound succession mechanism? That will allow China to Rosza Unabated well I would say that the history of China has taught them when they have strong central government. The people benefit a lot. When this week government they suffer a lot and you look at a hundred years of humiliation. That China's suffered from the first opium war of Eighteen. Forty two right until the establishment of the People's Republic of China in nineteen forty nine. The main reason why they went through one hundred years of humiliation was because they had weak central government so what Xi Jinping has given to China is once again very strong central government this is an asset for China. I think he's going to be around as Vita for a long time. And as long as he's around. I think China will do very well. Okay will you say that this geopolitical contest that's broken out between America and China? That will continue marathon. Rice does that mean that Beijing and Washington a doomed to confrontation. Well the the reason why. I'm producing my book now. Has China one his precisely because I want to avoid a confrontation in my. I think it's absolutely unnecessary for the United States and China to get entangled in this confrontation because at the end of the day the primary goal of the United States government is to improve the wellbeing of the American people than the best way to improve the well being of the American people especially in this call. The crisis is to work with China and not work against China but of course unfortunately the United States has other goal and is the primary goal of the United States is to maintain primacy in the global order. Then that will lead to confront To leading American proponents of containing China. John Shaw. The University of Chicago Have Stephen. Walt whom you quoted approvingly in your book about the perils of American Hubris and exceptionalism but on China I disagree. They say I've been guests on this program and I've made this point Measham and casual. They say that a rising China does indeed threaten the regional status quo and Washington moreover will and should go to great lengths to ensure that China does not dominate the Asia. Pacific your response. Well I think the question is whether or not they can both live with each other In the region if if the United States by the way you know all the countries in this region many of them one the United States will remain strong player in this region. I think it'd be good for the region to have United States. Remain as strong Leah. By United States can remain a strong player without on fronting China. He can remain a strong player by working with China In in in many critical areas. And frankly if you ask the countries in the region What they would like to see they would like to see a strong China and they would like to see a strong United States. But they don't want to be forced to choose within China and the United States and we'll get to this question about choosing later on in the show but I want to stick with America. There is a consensus in the region. That America should stay but Foreign Affairs magazine. This is the Distinguished New York Journal to Achieve. Contributed this month. It faces a range of top. Foreign Policy Thinkers. They're all weighing on whether or not the. Us is in the process of global retrenchment The cover of Australia's leading Foreign Affairs Journal. This month is is called can trust America So Am I right in saying you? Don't think American showing any signs of withdrawing from Asia. Now I see no signs at all America retreating from the region and And I think that very strong as you know policy in America is to some extent made by the president but is also made by the deep state and the deep state has a very strong consensus that they got to remain very strongly Industry region. So I don't see an American of withdraw anytime in the near future but I do I do argue that the United States has got to behave differently. With China net once had One tenth the size of China's of America's GNP retailers but today China's be GNP BB. Dems is bigger than the United States. So you behave differently. Was this animal. What about that? Animals DASA more assertive. Now in your book and you listening to Katia Mahbubani. We're chatting about his new book. Has China one in your new book as show you dedicate a chapter to the question is China expansionist and you say basically China wants to respect global rules and norms but let's face it. It has ignored the ruling from the UN's Permanent Court of Arbitration. That was at The Hague in two thousand sixteen. The high concluded for those of you listening who've forgotten about this this is four years ago. Chana's conduct around the Scarborough Shoal and the Spratly islands it was illegal and let's remember Beijing has continued to build up a military prisons on artificial Alan's at drive out local fishermen and in the last few months case. Short Sean has been bullying Indonesia over the Natuna islands. How is all this respecting global order? Well you know one point. I emphasize said there were people talk of benevolent. Great Powers Turn Benevolent Grid. Power is an oxymoron. So as you know the United States today has not ratified the law. The Sea Convention. So in in some areas as China emerged behaving exactly the United States. The United States would never accept going to a tribunal to judge whether or not the United States valid or invalid claiming any area in that respect. China is behaving like the United States by just as the United States. Most of the time respects most international rules and conventions China. Also most of the time respects most of international rules in confections in many ways. China's behavior and America's behaviour is very similar in the international arena. Your critics would say that. China's maritime climbs a contested by the Philippines Malaysia Brunei Indonesia Vietnam Beijing has antagonized nations log New Zealand Australia with cyber attacks and and political interference. Nightside casual these. Not Diplomatic Wins for president. She hasn't he made some big mistakes. Well I it's it's it's interesting. It's always the rest. That is screaming very loud on this South China Sea When was the last time you heard a very strong statement from militia All of all of Philippines On the South China Sea. Why you're seeing behind. What is happening behind the scenes is a lot of diplomacy that is not reported in the Western media. Now I cannot comment on the side of the tax on Shelia and New Zealand but I I believe it was Edward Snowden revealed to us that if you live in today's world you can assume that anything you put up. There is being monitored completely by the National Security Agency of the United States. So I think what the world needs is new conventions in the cyber area and the world should work together do agree on some set of rules for what you can or cannot do in terms of cyber hacking spoke with the New Zealand professor. Anne Marie Bridie last week on this program and she told us about three investigations into Chinese interference in politics that a currently underway in New Zealand. But we WANNA go there now and finished your point. I was quite struck by a law in in your book. He sure well. You talked about the Chinese reluctance to conquer Australia quote. Future historians will marvel at the fact that even though Australia is geographically close to China. It was physically. It was physically occupied in conquered by far more distant British forces absolutely true. I mean if China was an expansionist power wrenching. Her travel all the way to Africa. He could have easily gone to Australia. Additional Australia. Remarkable accident of history. That Australia was colonized by British forces than not Chinese. I mean future. Historians will marvel. The anomaly visits Tom Switzer. On our in 'em I guess is Keisha Mahbubani the former foreign secretary of Singapore and President of the UN Security Council. He's now a distinguished fellow at the National University of Singapore. We're talking about his new book. Has China one now for some of Iran's listeners in Venice Matas whether your overstating China's rise and I WANNA put to you this very rule weakness in limitation surely because many analysts They argue that there's a ticking bomb in China it's low birthright and the aging population and this is the argument that will reduce the workforce and could potentially break social security system. How would you respond to those critics? Oh that's absolutely no question. That China faces a lot of serious Internal Challenges. Because you know it is to instill a developing country It's CABBIE DYING IF I get it right. It's still about ten thousand dollars. One-sixth debt of the United States has a long way to go before it becomes fully developed country. And that's precisely why China wants to focus on its internal development and not get dragged into an all-out geopolitical contests with the United States. So you notice that China wherever possible is trying to avoid getting entangled with the United States even though the United States clearly is challenging the United States challenging the United States charging China In many