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"edward loose" Discussed on The Dan Bongino Show
"Around the country who let rioters go without bail then you're a bad person for talking about and. Talk about it again, by the way when they tell me not to talk about something I, talk about three more times just to rub it in. But you see also this media angle on this how this were Republicans you would never be welcomed impolite company again, you'd probably you probably be under investigation. Will the media's part of it in fact, some members of the media were part of the tip I got I got attacked also by guy I never even heard of he claims he knows me but I don't know him named Edward Loose from the Financial Times wrote a pretty nasty piece about in the Financial Times and he admitted well, he was at the wargame. For the tip, he was a participant playing the media like so you're invested in this. There is all hand in glove the media not covering the story they're part of the story and their role in the last week has been very clear. It's to publish piece after piece saying ringing the alarm saying, Oh, no trump in his republican allies getting ready to steal the. Election, so you saw there are many pieces, but I'll point out one big long article I forgot the author in the Atlantic monthly. This is the same Atlantic monthly by the way that posted the completely fake scurrilous story a couple of weeks ago saying that trump the president disparaged marines when he was in France for the hundredth anniversary of World War I wasn't there. I believe it for a second. Anyway, the same magazine publishes this. He's getting ready to steal the election everybody when it's exactly what they're doing. But whatever, as Tucker Carlson likes to say I can't stop repeating whenever they accuse you of doing their doing whatever they are up to they project out and say I'm all enemies doing the following when that's exactly what do I mean we already saw this with the whole collusion hoax where we now know for the record that it was in fact, this Democrat infrastructure with weaponized assets and Intel and the FBI at the upper level who are colluding with someone, the FBI themselves, the a national security threat from Russia. Not My words it's the FBI zone words whether know whether he was a Russian agent or not I was not the FBI investigating I'm just telling you the FBI was investigating guy working with their team, which is bizarre. How seriously do you take this threat I mean, is this now you right at some points where I was scrolling through here? About how this was leaked to the media? I. Happen to agree with your implications this ways whistles probably leaked somewhat intentionally again to soften bodyblow there. But how? Do you take them I mean say it is a close election it all hinges on Wisconsin or even Minnesota, which appears to be in play. And it's to sixty, nine to sixty nine. Say it comes down to main Maine Maine to divvy it up by Congressional district I mean how serious do you take the strength? Do you think they would actually do that? Really. You know before the code and before the riots and everything way if you remember back to February of this year when the world seemed calm, the economy was in, it looked like the president was cruising pretty easy reelection. A dinner and a colleague of mine said. That he could not see the left under any circumstances accepting another trump win, they would have to stop it somehow fill streets tied up in court something, and as soon as he said that I thought wow, that's so obvious and yet why didn't I think of it? So insightful a bell rang so I think that I take very seriously i. think he's right. They can't accept another trump win I think they would prefer to do it. First of all, you prefer having just lose now by by moen legitimately and they don't have to worry about it. Second of all, if they can't do that I, think they would prefer to game the system in close states either through mail in ballots or you know the the Always happens in in a close state with a democratic. Governor Gov- a Democratic Secretary of State all the elections down to a handful of balance. Oh look we found a box of balance over here. Let's count these well magically by the hat. Right. Then let's certify account right now and give those twenty electoral votes to buy right I. Think they prefer to make it look like a legitimate win if they can't do that if the if the either electrically or otherwise the the margin is so large now I think. This plant see if they can pull it off. Now it's an open question if they can pull it off. So after the both Biden and these military officers in other started talking about using military the chairman of the joint chiefs had to come out and to his credit said, the military will play quote no role unquote in the upcoming election I note. That president trump's former national security adviser, HR McMaster, who retired as a three star general in twenty eighteen has been making the rounds on his book. It's been asked this including an MSNBC CNN tight places where that are very hostile to trump, and he has said the military's gotta maintain complete neutrality be a political and not get involved in any way I myself. To what extent I have influence with military officers four officers I know I have urged all my military friends to play no role in also to tell their friends in active duty look you need to protect the reputation in the integrity of the US military you need to make sure that all of your fellow officers do not get involved if they're. Given a dumb order or urge to do something that they know violates their oath is unconstitutional. They need to stand down I. Mean The US Army is cherished institution in us are literally predates the revolution. It's older than the United States itself formally to tarnished reputation in this way, I think is is terrible and the people talking like this to former army officers. I think they're doing horrible service to an institution that they presumably Sir loyal in love..
"edward loose" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"Blurb. In the commercial breaks, and you can also subscribe to their Youtube Channel. which do I think it's great? There was a recent article that Bitcoin was declared to be money by a US federal court, so there's that on the on there as well Yep. It's. Perhaps! Currency but electric money. Let's go to back to this article here from Boston Globe, talking about this a scenario where trump doesn't leave office. The game was elaborate. Participants took on the roles of the trump campaign, the Biden campaign, relevant government officials and all and the media, generally demographic or role. Playing this they're. Putting on the trump eric. Democrats play Democrats Republicans pay. Played Republicans and use it. Ten cited died to determine whether a team. Are you serious succeeded in its? Now The Games are not I wonder how much these people are getting paid for this. And why aren't they using a twenty sided die? And no I'm with them on that one actually. I believe in the detail. Yeah I'm with to because you enroll to at once and then you have a percentage so anyway. The Games are not meant to be predictive. Rather they are supposed to give people a sense of possible consequences in a complex scenario, each scenario involved different election outcome, an unclear result on election day that looked increasingly like a biden win as as more ballots were counted a clear Biden win in the popular vote and the Electoral College. And Electoral College Win for trump with Biden winning the popular vote by five percentage points in a narrow electoral college win and Popular Vote Victory for Biden. In the scenarios, the teams playing the trump campaign often questioned the legitimacy of mail in ballots, which often boosted biden as a boosted by as they came in shutting down post offices, pursuing litigation and using right wing media to amplify narratives about a stolen election. To some participants, the game was aced. A stark reminder of the power of incumbency, and it is especially in the case of somebody who's the chief executive of the most powerful organization in the world. It's pretty meaningful to be the incumbent. That's true across most politics or organized crime. Yeah, but if the mayor doesn't WanNa, leave office, the governor can come in and say yeah. You gotta be true. If the governor doesn't want to leave office, the president can come in and say yeah. You gotta go, but if the president doesn't want to leave office, we don't really have good systems for WHO's GonNa. Say Yeah, you gotTA. Go Supreme Court well. As, as Andrew, Jackson is quoted as saying that they like their rulings, they can enforce them. The more demonstrations that there were the more demands for recounts the more legal challenges there were the most funerals for democracy were held. The more trump came across as the candidate of stability said Edward loose the US editor of the Financial Times. Who played the role of a mainstream media reporter? During one of the simulations, possession is nine tenths of the law. In multiple scenarios officials on both sides honed in on the narrowly decided swing states with divided government such as Wisconsin, Michigan North Carolina, hoping to persuade officials there to essentially send two different results Congress, if a state selection is disputed, a legislature controlled by one party, and a governor of another could each send competing slates of electors back to their party's candidate. Both sides turned out massive street protests that trump's sought control in one scenario. He invoked the Insurrection Act which allows the president to use military forces to quell unrest. The scenario that began with A. Narrow Biden win ended with trump refusing to leave the White House burning government documents, and having to be escorted out by secret service, the team playing Biden in that scenario, meanwhile sought to patch things up with republicans by appointing moderate. Republican governors including Chris Charlie Barker of Massachusetts Cabinet positions. All of these scenarios are just a made up construct as part of the simulation though. Like they're saying no. No, they have it on good authority of the ten. Okay. Ten sided die. Never live well. Part of this was made up. Number of scenarios that aren't being discussed. Sure because they are not talking about those went to scenarios that were being discussed in any way like they said this this scenario and we're going to play through the scenario as the scenarios discussed because. Trump wins by a landslide. In forty eight states doesn't have a which is not likely. doesn't have much of a chance of causing unrest. Okay, you know who cares. If Biden winning by a landslide in forty eight states all right well, it sounds like we gotta get that Guy Outta there because there was a win. Narrow wins and mail in ballots and voter claims of voter, fraud and demagoguery and all this stuff i. mean all you have to do is go watch. Fox, news, or MSNBC. CNN Any of that crap and you see. What this could look like. They're already doing it okay. The demagoguery already exists. So I mean all and saying is this is possible, not that it's. I'm not rooting for it. I'm not looking for blood in the streets, but it's possible. Overlooking the real story here, though that all those DVD, players were actually preparing to be a think tank. Indeed they were I certainly was the scenario that produced the most contentious dynamics, however was the one in which trump won the electoral college, and thus the election but Biden won the popular vote by five percentage points Biden team retracted its election night concession fueled by Democrats angry. Angry at losing yet. Another election despite capturing the popular vote as happened in two thousand and two thousand sixteen in the mock election, trump sought to divide Democrats at one point, giving an interview to the intercept a left leaning news outlet, saying that Senator Bernie Sanders would would have won if the Democrats had nominated him. Meanwhile Biden's team sought to encourage large western states to. See less unless pro democracy reforms were made, and this is already going on. There's A in this scenario. Biden is suggesting that states secede. States to see pro democracy reforms, or this is political fantasy in the. Game and it's it's poorly constructed political fantasy like I'm sorry, but like I could see that from trump like. Honestly because. What, he's GonNa do least volume. Neither. Biden, nor any part of the democratic establishment is going to suggest that secession is a possibility under any circumstance well. The Democrats here were played by Democrats so. Okay that I agree. That sounds outlandish. Essentially what the Democrats have been trying to do for some time as get states to agree to a contract that says that all of their electoral votes go to the winner of the popular vote so that they can make it in running around this now. you know you can say what you want about the president being chosen by the Electoral College or by the popular vote. I don't particularly care I. don't really care in the scenario. But, okay, I mean I get it either way. The Electoral College is the way that we currently decide. Who's president and the person who wins that vote is the president in this? Game! No go ahead, not okay I, said if you're playing the. If you're playing to win the popular vote, you're playing the wrong game right right and this seems like a waste of a hypothetical, because that seems like a realistic scenario. Cousin just happened. The scenario seemed highly far fetched, but in invision to sit situation in which both sides may have incentives to contest the election. There's a narrative among activists in both parties that the lost the loss must be legitimate. According to the Constitution the president, the presidency ends at noon on January twenty, at which point the newly inaugurated present becomes commander in chief. South the.
"edward loose" Discussed on PR & Law
"There's a lot of banking services and financial services that are going digital where this is an issue in China. In fact, you can, you can buy mutual funds and E. and all kinds insurance products through APPS. You know by by ten cent Alibaba so this is how people are are doing their their financial investing Yeah, but it's it's definitely a A risk will yeah, and they were talking about. The article talks a bit about some of these these sort of. Around Games like candy crush. These vets restructured to tap into that reward center in the brain to keep you using the APP and engaged with with with the game itself. You know things like apparently you create your first robin or when you open your initial account, there's sort of like a scratching of a of a ticket, and that generates sort of some some some money towards an official or or an. An initial purchase and and things that sort of pop up through the APP that that are sort of there to try and engage at that rewards center of the brain, and which of course, raises some interesting questions. Should we are these sorts of things that we should be incorporating into an investment tool? I I mean I I can't speak to it because I haven't used it myself, but you know. I don't know that people should be engaging with their investment tools the way they engage with candy crush. That strikes me as as as somewhat problematic. But we're in an era now where everyone thinks they're an expert on everything. And they don't Wanna listen to somebody else telling them how they should do it. and. Yeah I I think that that's going to be a problem. I mean this is a big big question. I mean there's a big subject that we're not gonNA be able to go through it all, but I think it is. It is legit to pay attention to. especially as things are moving in this direction, I mean I. I have actually UN stopped carrying my Wallet Day today because you know through the iphone. There's an apple wallet I've got five. Five or six credit cards in there plus two octopus cards, and you just have your phone everywhere now. You don't even have to unlock it, and even if you're batteries dead, you can still use the octopus part of it. I realized like I really I. Don't really need to carry my wallet with me. If everything's going to be on the phone I? Don't know if I'm going to keep doing that. It's kind of Nice, but it's remarkably easy If. Finances going this direction just in general. But. There are downsides to it no question. I wanted to mention just two quick things that I thought were quite interesting. One I think I sent this over to you and I can't remember an article by Edward Loose in the Financial Times called the humbling of the Anglo American world and I it really sums up the feeling abroad at least in Asia the UK and the US at such difficult problems with covid and the damage to their brands quote unquote..
"edward loose" Discussed on KQED Radio
"KQED public radio. live from NPR news in Washington I'm Dave Mattingly later this morning the house intelligence committee will go behind closed doors with the inspector general of the intelligence community it's part of the impeachment inquiry of president trump my house Democrats the inquiry was launched by a whistle blower complaint about trump's July phone call with the president of Ukraine separately NPR Susan Davis reports on a series of text messages released by Democrats sent between US diplomats in Europe last month on September ninth bill Taylor who is a diplomatic official at the US embassy in Ukraine send a text message to George song one who's the US ambassador to the European Union and he says quote I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance to help with the political campaign someone replies I believe you are incorrect about president trump's intentions the president has been crystal clear no quid pro quos of any kind they then suggest they stop texting and talk over the phone the text messages were provided by former US envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker who appeared before the committee in private yesterday the death toll in Iraq continues rising amid ongoing anti government protests more than forty people have been killed this week and demonstrations and clashes with security forces who've been firing tear gas and in some cases live ammunition Iraq's prime minister went on national TV today urged protesters to go home Iraq's touch top Shiite cleric is doing the same. for some legal experts believe the U. S. Supreme Court will ultimately decide the future of affirmative action policies in the college admissions process earlier this week a federal judge rejected a lawsuit against Harvard University claiming the school discriminates against Asian American applicants carapace out with member station WGBH in Boston says a group that supported that suit is now getting behind the appeal in her ruling the judge notes that Edward bloom a critic of affirmative action and his group students for fared missions did not introduce at the trial a single Asian American applicant who was overtly discriminated against when you on we with the Asian American coalition for education says that should not matter Edward loose form that organization specifically to protect the identity. as individual students who felt they have been discriminated against by heartbreak says they could have been subject to harassment online in the past black students soon for civil rights have met with much worse including threats and physical violence for NPR news I'm Kerr Kerr Penza in Boston the latest numbers on employment in the U. S. are due out this morning from the labor department economists believe employers likely added about one hundred thirty thousand jobs in September amid weakness in the country's manufacturing sector Dow futures are down seventy six points this morning I'm Dave Mattingly in Washington on the next fresh air which a good journalist and biographer Claire Tomalin about her own story.
A special relationship?
"Among British diplomats few postings are more highly prized than that of the United Kingdom's ambassador to the United States. The occupant of the role becomes a key component of what has become known as the special relationship the transatlantic mutual admiration society founded on a shared history a shared language and shared values even special relationships have their rocky patches however and this week the U._K.'s man in the U._S. found himself if we can extend the relationship metaphor to the verge of breaking point I in the Doghouse and then gathering his belongings from beneath the window succumbed Eric resigned after the leak of dispatchers shows he sent back to London which described the administration of President Donald Trump in terms unflattering. If unsurprising it is certainly a test for the special relationship but is the special relationship really as special as the U._k.. In particular likes to think and what might the special relationship look like the other side of Brexit if conducted by Donald Trump and Boris Johnson this is the foreign desk up up until now Britain had if you like to wings to fly on one of the European wing and the other was the American now it's only GonNa have Washington relations with Brussels again to be fatty sour after Britain has left the European Union apple the special relationship going to become even more rational as the knowledge and experience of the ambassador to put the information in context to synthesize it and to focus it on the things that really matter to the government government said he would have been sitting back to the government. Here's the rhetoric you're getting from Donald Trump by trade deal. Here's what the sector state for coal minister saying. Here's what the senators are saying. Here's the reality both countries are going through interesting times signed and at the end of the day to be frank every other country and I include the U._K.. In this every other country will spend more time thinking about the United States than the United States will ever be able to spend thinking about that country entree to the foreign desk on monocle twenty four with me Andrew Muller on today's show on joined by Mara Colin and Edward Loose. Mara Colin is Director of Strategic Studies at Johns Hopkins University and a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. She joins us from Washington DC and Edward Lewis is the Financial Times U._S. National Editor and former DC bureau chief. He's also joining us from Washington. <hes> welcome both to the show. I want to start with the the affair that has got us here which I don't know if it actually quite qualifies for the full blown gate suffix but nevertheless let's call it Derek Gate Edward First of all how damaged do you think relations between the U._S. and the U._k.. have been by this reasonably damage. I wouldn't want to blow this particular incident out of proportion. I think what it sheds light on is the likely relationship between a prime minister. Boris Johnson led British government and the trump administration which is going to be quite different to the normal U._k.. U._S. government relationship and essentially Kim Derek's resignation as ambassador was carried out by Boris Johnson. Even though he's not yet prime minister I step because he refused toback Darach in the Conservative Party leadership debate he essentially made dykes job over it impossible and it was done essentially on the on the instructions of Donald Trump and if you have a the next British prime minister taking an internal suffering British decision at the behest of the current U._S. president you have if any walked British government before it's even been formed Mara we should probably bring some perspective to bear on this. We are talking and we'll talk further about the damage that may have been done to the the special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom but obviously the last few years have been fairly rough going for most countries which thought of themselves elves as American allies before two thousand sixteen. Is this any better or any worse than any of the <hes> the ruptures between the United States and say we'll take you pick France or Germany or Australia Troglio or any of the many others Donald Trump has managed to upset. You know it's important that we put this ambassador gate into the larger context as you note the last few years have been bumpy. America is in anomalous period the U._K.. is in an anomalous period in so what's happening. Now is one bump among a very mountainous road. Both countries are going through in both countries are travelling through and it is in Dubai audibly affecting the special special relationship as each country tries to figure out who are we and what do we stand for. It can't help but influence how we think about one another it would we should look a bit at that phrase the special relationship. It's a phrase that gets bandied what about rob the more I think in the United Kingdom then in the United States. Is it fair to say that it's something that various British governments have placed rather more store in the various American governments yeah that that that to say I mean I think I think it's also fair to say that under the Obama Administration took name the second time Germany with the sort of key special relationship and it's also a phrase with some variation used in Germany but everybody's prime minister including Theresa may the Pros Johnson is obsessed with getting an Oval Office meeting the moment they're they're in office. Theresa May with the first part needed to visit Donald trump so she kept that batting average opposite well. I think it's going to become a lot more pronounced announced on the British side and a lot more asymmetric as well in terms of the emphasis once Britain's left the European Union because up until now Britain you know had if you like to wings to fly on a European wing and the other one's the American now it's taking to have Washington relations with Brussels again to be Fatty Fowler after Britain's left the European Union and death of the special relationship is going to become even more obsessional Mara. What's being your experiences? Somebody who has worked with a variety of American administrations about what the special relationship actually means to American administrations do they regard the relationship with the United Kingdom as any more or less special than they might regard the relationship with say France. The relationship with the U._k.. is just so special precisely because it is bureaucratized every single day there are meetings between Brits and Americans in in our governments in my decade in the Pentagon I spent more time meeting with British counterparts more time in London than anyone else and it is a relationship that really is deep textured and white that said both countries are going through interesting times and at the end of the day to be frank every other country and I include the U._K.. In this every other country will spend more time thinking about the United States than the United States will ever be able to spend thinking about that country in that relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom. Where do you think the balance is between a purely practical functional arrangement between to approximate peers and a sort of sentimental friendship which is rooted in all the stuff that British prime ministers in particular enjoy banging on about that shed history in the shed values and so on I wouldn't overstate the shed history in Chad bodies? I mean if you look back on the postwar era. There were a lot of bumps. It wasn't so the plane failing till trump cable pretty power was ended at Suez by President Eisenhower who withdrew support from studying because Britain because of the anglo-french attempt to invade Egypt and and Britain didn't get involved in the Vietnam War I mean it wasn't always sort of hand in glove but there is an affinity between political cultures points out by going through interesting times. There is an affinity through history PA through language language and political culture between what happens in Brooklyn in America so even though Britain isn't as important in Washington as it might like to think Washington I think reads a lot more in its news pages about what happens in British politics than it does how's about gentlemen politics toddy and politics French politics pays more attention and pointed out there. Is that hard edge to it which is the interoperability of military systems. The five is intelligent sharing which you know uniquely Britain is the only country in Europe that has that kind of close relationship and I think that's probably immune to whatever antiques and <hes> Circus Act Spurs Johnson and Donald Trump trump dream out between themselves but you can't becoming competent of anything nowadays truth is change of infection at the moment Mara how does that that same equation look from the side of the from the American side of. The Atlantic do they regard Britain as a purely practical partner and we'll talk shortly about those defense and intelligence aspects of the relationship is the part of the relationship which is rooted in a basic even Atavistic sophisticate fullness does the United States just proceed from an assumption that Britain is a friend that Britain is an entity that liked some gets on with look. I couldn't agree more with Edward in his characterization of the relationship there there is this idea of shared values albeit. Both countries probably reassessing what those values look like there. Is this kind of deep technocratic bureaucratic collaboration that it that is meaningful when I worked in the Pentagon I had Brits rich who worked for me. <hes> as full full staff members like other Pentagon staff members <hes> so traditionally these bumps are seen as kind of fights within a family going forward as these bumps grow more into mountains. Perhaps the the family will will start to separate you know if we just look at the last two decades or so in our countries have gone to war together and these wars haven't necessarily gone as well as one might have liked and that no no doubt is causing reassessment inside London and potentially inside Washington as well would you raise things like the five is intelligence sharing setup and NATO of course another obvious area cooperation between the the U._S. and the U._K.. How important are they not just to the United States in the United Kingdom but to the the entire political architecture of the rest of the world well I think that the sort of stabilised and something solid foundation nation of what we call the West is NATO <hes> even the West you know don't belong to NATO and NATO was originally an Anglo American project which others were recruited to in the postwar? You're in the late nineteen forties so NATO is the hardest part of that special relationship. I think what makes things different. Now is although Boris Johnson is so the conventional NATO supporter Donald Trump very much isn't he's very skeptical about NATO if he sees it as a number of these and his eyes cartels terrip America off where partners and not spending as much as America on defense and that's got to end and it's not inconceivable it probably nightly but it's inconceivable where he be elected <hes> he could even put America out of me too. I'm not predicting that but I'm saying I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be totally shocked if he did Boris. Johnson has conventional views on areas where his personal personal interests hasn't clashed with them but he's very much beholden to donald trump in a way that you know in spite of all the rhetoric of Britain being America's poodle that you get from anti-americans in a way that no previous British prime minister within and that means this is a dynamic situation. It's going to be very very hard to predict what demands of him and how various response we'll talk a bit more in the second half of the program about the future of the special relationship and how special it might might look a few decades from now but before we do that I want to reflect a little bit on the past of it sort of look at some highs and lows of it. We'll start with the highs Marar and I'll ask you do you when you think of the the special relationship between in the U._S. and the U._k.. Working as it ideally should or at least as it should in the storybook version of it often presented by British prime ministers in particular which moments or which incidents or which periods do you think of you know. I have a great memory just after nine eleven of President Bush giving a speech in the first ally I remember him. Calling out was the U._K.. In was highlighting the special relationship and it was important as an American to know whatever chaos was going on in this international security landscape. There was a capable military that was there to be helpful under these kind of dire circumstances would if we think of absolute low points and probably we can take the war of eighteen twelve as read. How bad has it ever got was Su as the absolute low point yes because that was the ending somewhat say belated and I think very very skillfully and gently administed ending British imperial pretensions is now is like close to chill as close to ends meet British Prime Minister at the time and he was very much magnified being based in Britain of course for the D day operation during? The Second World War and that I think was probably the low point you had the old story imperial classes you know pats at a moment of peak anti-americanism at that point. I think the second point though <hes> I I loyd identify would be would be now well on that happy thought we will have more from both of you later in the show for the moment though Edward Loose on Mara Colin thank you both you're listening to the foreign desk
What envoy's downfall tells us about UK-US relations
"We're looking at the crisis. In Anglo American relations following the resignation of Britain's ambassador to Washington Kim Derek who'd been denounced by the the American President Donald Trump as a pompous fool amongst other things joining me on the line from Washington D._C.. Is Our U._S.. National Editor Edward Loose and here in the studio is Jeff Dyer who was Washington correspondent for many years ed first of all. I was just reading an article which would say this is a low point in U._S. U._k.. Relations one of the lowest ready in the postwar period. We're in the midst of the events but do you think that sounds like a feathered. Yeah I mean I wouldn't put it on this guy that suicide nineteen fifty six and of course one or as Johnson comes prime minister seeming he does become prime minister will at least band sort of temporary revival of warm legs between from Britain's prime minister because he's a backer of jokes has been openly scathing Theresa May yes. It's unprecedented to have a president chase a British ambassador out of town like this. It's caused the shots here and I think the fact that the rest of Washington other than the president and some of the henchman around and is shocked you know as everybody else shows there is probably still quite a deep underlying strength of a bias there and we'll to feeding towards Britain yeah just give us a sense of that that unto recap for those who haven't followed. The story what happened was that succumbs diplomatic cables private diplomatic cables were leaked. They said some fanny unflattering things about the trump administration but then the president went ballistic when you say there is <hes> shock in Washington. There is a census there the president trump has overstepped him up because he oversteps all day doesn't he he does I think most people in Washington have been entertained the British residence many times that a web because they see who else is there at the parties and receptions and so forth but the the trump administration senior officials including jared Ivanka John Bolton during the station's defending off at enforce as well and that the idea that for that can dr is some kind of each state anti-trump A._M.. He's not being a neutral diplomat is seen as complete nonsense and have been sort of multi by most people in Washington so I think there's a great deal of sympathy bath. They know that Matt Trump many times when trump tweets out but he's never have a matching that that's false. I think they feel it's a different scale when it's done to a close allies when trump is knifing domestic plan. There's there's a sort of level of embarrassed but in a way quite reassuring well just but of course it comes at a time mm-hmm of great uncertainty British politics and some might think that the Khuda grass for Kim Derek came when in a leadership debate Boris Johnson who's likely to be the next prime minister quite noticeably refused to back him exactly I think rather than a crisis anglo-american relationship this demonstrates that just had diminished politics in both of our countries are at the moment I mean the overwhelming impression of this is the crushing smallness of Donald Trump as president. Here's the man who's the most powerful politician in the world old and chargers powerful military in the world these unable to see his office except through the prism of personal slights and through his bruised ego the revelations in these leaked cables was Kim dire talking about the insecurity of the trump administration and there's no greater demonstration. Demonstration that insecurity in the way the president this week but also British poltics comes out of this episode look incredibly small and diminished and Boris Johnson's behavioral that debate was the biggest example of that where by not defending the British ambassador who did nothing other than what his job is supposed to do. He has let himself and let the country be pushed around be bullied and have its foreign policy shaped by another country striking example of just how or strengthen brexit ears think this is about standing up for Britain taking control how the force of events events is actually giving his ever less control over what is trying to do and in a sense. This is not an isolated incident. It's particularly shocking because it's the United States but in past year and a bit you've had the Russians murdering people on the streets of Britain. You've had the Chinese he's telling the British to get back in their box Hong Kong and over hallway. You have very poor relations with the E._U.. Because of Brexit it does feel as if somehow the rest of the world is sensing that now's the time you can push Britain around that is the impression that ah that's a a very bad situation for post brexit. The new governor Boris Johnson if he does manage to leave the Tober thirty-first as first thing he wants to do is to revive the anglo-american relationship provide the special relationship of the call it and push for a very strong free trade deal between the U._K.. And the U._S. but the dynamic we've seen here is that actually the use is quite happy. President trump is quite happy to slap burden around. He has no particular attachment to any of these old relationships these old alliances and Britain enters. There's into these negotiations and a very very weak position where it's desperate to have a free trade deal with America and we have a very protectionist America first president who's very keen to drive the hardest possible bargain they can and to squeeze and is that that's exactly what you expect will occur if when these much-vaunted trade talks start gather Liam Fox the Brits Trade Secretary was actually in Washington this week yes and came you know decided not to accompany already Ma'am this invited to a steak dinner for the America. Her and getting accompanied them folks to see if I could trump the president's daughter this new columnist or even I'm serious. I'm not that I know who thinks that a trade deal between the U._K.. And the U._S. is a practical aspect of the next couple of years the the MOMS that the trump administration would happen the these are being fairly well fleshed out already would just be politically unpalatable any British prime minister whoever that may be would be unsuitable to the British and that is even presupposing it could to get through Congress. If there's no deal brexit on October thirty first and Democrats kind of representatives would lock any trade deal that resulted from it on the grounds that it would wreck the Irish Good Friday Agreement and you've got a lot of prominent Irish Americans in Congress Shooting Ritchie Neil Chairman of the ways and Means Committee which is the key one for trade deal who said if Good Friday goes up there will be no trade deal so the prospects by medically and economically for U._S. U._K.. tracheal of very very snip and just reverting briefly to this question of the behavior of ambassadors. It's quite striking isn't that actually a lot of Mr. Trump's ambassadors have been much more openly in violation of normal diplomatic norms than Kim dark it was the ambassador in in Germany has more or less openly quartered far-right forces in Europe. Yeah I mean that's the great irony of this woody Johnson in London Rick Grenell Gordon Something Brussels. These people have been agitating against the host governments with the one great exception. If David Cone Beam in Hungary it was blatantly over the pro or back Kim different actually breach any rules these lose that were breached with to leak confidential classified cables to the Daily Mail what he said in those cables with pretty mild in comparison to what American ambassadors didn't cables whatever the well about their government when the wikileaks Chelsea Manning dump my cut several years ago so Kim down actually. Actually hasn't broken any rules or even at anything particularly strong in confidence as you say. There's a great irony and Jeff. I mean presumably we can take on trust the idea that it's going to be slow going on a U._S. U._K.. Trade deal but Boris Johnson and will seek to align himself much more closely with trump administration what areas might he do that in China's and obvious one the trump administration is trying to push much more aggressive posture against China particularly technology so that's one in particular area but I mean ultimately if bortles not become prime minister will all come down to the first few months and whether he can get some sort of breaks deal everything is going to be focused around these first few weeks or months and the brexit negotiations. I think a lot of stuff will be secondary and so the question Asian is can he somehow go to Brussels and come back with some sort of compromise not withdrawal agreement but maybe in the political declaration that attached to the Dole agreement that he can sell as a compromise from Brussels and push a deal through parliament so so while he will make some gestures and some areas I think towards the U._S.. Really everything will be dominated around the the brexit deal and how he tries to push through parliament and ED. I mean this pops to begin to wind up in striking isn't it however the trump administration in some senses has made itself player in the brexit talks trump's stream of abusive tweets included criticism of Theresa May for not delivering Brexit ignoring trump's advice on how to handle the negotiations and one gets the sense is that the trump administration would see quite relish kind of violent rupture between the U._k. and the E._U.. I think that's absolutely right. It's not just trump you see e you as a geopolitical rival as before is John Bolton John Bolton Overseas Germany is the e U and he's being very openly scathing about Germany so it's across the trump administration might compare sectors stay gave a really sort of markedly anti e._U.. Speech in Brussels late last year. There is an undisguised as to see the E._U.. break-up fail for many reasons both and has his own reasons to do with week international organizations and spend much on defense trump thinks that this sort of towel to rip the Pulse America in terms of trade and of course all kinds of people around him who are strong ideological supporters of the likes of Dick to Obam Montana Salvini and Nigel for <hes> so I think this is over time into the trump administration hates the E._U.. And last point than you mentioned Nigel Garage Alec Task Both of you were speculating but it will now as as matter a great deal who Britain appoints as the next ambassador to Washington will it be a standard issue diplomat or will Boris Johnson insist on putting in a political appointee who can suck up to the trump administration more effectively. Somebody like Nigel Ferraz de think it's possible that figure like for our Gopher Jeff I mean publicly Boris Johnson campaign have ruled out some unlike garage but you can can imagine them having conversations amongst themselves whereby the Conservative Party actually faces a very very strong threat from the brakes of Party ferocious party which is essentially a one man band all revolves around the personality and character of Nigel Farage as you can imagine some of his advisers may be tossing around the idea of what we sent him to Washington that actually just spikes the bricks at party that really leaves the way open for Boris Johnson government to dominate the right of British politics but having said that if you weren't actually that he would really because so much ill will among civil service amongst the bureaucracy amongst other people in the Conservative Party. He'll be seemed to be selling out in such a way to more far-right position that I don't think even he would go that far ED. What's your view and I think that's probably right Farraj of course for the same reason I would be to send for charities from my statistical getting rid of her rival point of view Farraj will be dumb to accept it but Farraj loves being in this town? He loves frequenting the trump international. He loves himself.
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"Long tradition of manufacturing centers they called the iron works places where people came together to build things this podcast about building as a standing are democracy democracy we call it democracy works from according to for democracy at penn state university michael berkman and i'm chris beam i'm jenna spinelli only in welcome to the season one finale of democracy works yeah we made a guy's a four gonna closed out are first season today with our democracy summer reading list if you've been in a bookstore recently or in the library you've probably seen that there are you know at least a dozen if not more books that are there have democracy in the title or relates to democracy more broadly 'em so where we read all these books basically so you don't have to see if you a preview try to talk about the main arguments on the each but makes and help you decide if you only have time serene want her to which ones might be best so we will post all of the the books and the the titles and how to find them in the show notes so if there's anything that catches right you can support these authors in a get their books we know the democracy works audience is a book rudy on him throwing oh yeah absolutely 'em ends a i guess to go along with that if you have any fiction recommendations for all of us we have spent a lotta time about democracy lately so says iser donors and as well these are books were not gonna reid on the beach likely actually i wanna say for the record that both michael and i thought this was terrible idea such a daunting list of books but but as usual we just do what you're supposed to do and that's why and here we are so let's dive in shali 'em we're gonna start off with a with a couple of bucks and talk a little bit about how we got here well yeah these are the books we chose to start with we have three books to start with that all take what what we might think of as a macro view so they take a long term view about the state of democracy and it's the state of democracy not only in the united states but we but throughout the western world right that's right an end thee they are the thing one of the things that unites all these books is the idea that 'em whatever trends we are now witnessing all have a long term to them and they're not limited simply america so we have to go back and look at them historically and also how they're manifested around the world all right so we are going to start with a book that is near and dear to all of our hearts we actually interviewed one of the authors on his podcast episode five it is how democracies die by daniels blat in stephen levinsky in this book i think as as you can hear daniel say i'm really takes a very systematic look i'm comparing what's happening in the usa west on countries around the world based on their experiences comparative politics scholars right both officer a political scientist but say a but as a political scientist i feel like i could say this day right exceptionally well and this is a book that's gotten quite a bit of attention and in fact was on the new york times bestseller list for for quite a while might still still be there a from my perspective in fact of what they do so well is focus on the important role that norms play in a democracy and the decline of those no you know what i continue to find so useful about that book is see the you know this is strives to lay out some common if not quite objective features that are associated with the decline from democracy in truth or tarian ism and and you know night at one of these people are american us one a one is a latin american one studies europe and and so you get to this point where all right this is what normally happens and let's look now at what's happening in america right and they also make the point a drawing both on historical examples in the usa and other other examples around the world that democracies die through democracy essentially we elect leaders with authoritarian tendencies and then once they're in office they violate norms they develop rules that or anti democratic in their nature and i think this is a really valuable contribution remaking along the lines of what you were talking about chris they also offer us a sort of a guy like when do essentially when do you know you've elected in a third yeah they have a a four step litmus test leaving the other thing that that they talked about in that we talked with with daniel about is this notion that democracy is grinding work 'em i wrote that a lot in describing various things but they they tried to lay out a path forward which watched it i think a lot of these books do and yeah i think there is a kind of common theme that 'em wrecking things is easy building things is hard right so we have a interview with daniel daniel on a podcast so i don't you know we encourage you to go back and listen to that because it's a it's it's one is a good one and he's really smart guy and it gives you much more detail about right or skip the book what listen to the pie exactly so let's transition into yasha monk who wrote a book called the people vs democracy right among two has gotten a lot of attention over the past a number of months a in particular for a survey that a or the results of a survey that he and his colleague put out that makes up a major part of the book showing that young people a have a weakening support for democratic institutions i i think think that fits into the larger theme of the book chris which maybe you want introducer jetta but but that's where that's where monk on a lot of attention reese yeah it is a it is i remember reading that for the first time and just being a genuinely shocked by number i think we posted on her yeah right right and i actually wrote a piece of the conversation but that was a got a lot more attention to anything else i've ever because it was because it was referencing these things that a that are really dramatic and i are you disappointed were not discussing you're no not at all not at all although if you you know anyway so look really his he kind of lays out the case that liberalism democracy are coming apart and so what that leaves us with illiberal democracy on on one side ends kind of unchecked liberal instead or a liberal institutions on yeah and i think that's a really important distinction that this book makes and that is that when you're talking about liberal democracies you're talking about liberalism small they'll liberalism and democracy and they do a really nice he doesn't really nice job in this book of decomposing those two elements emphasizing that liberalism is about rights and about of law and about protection of minorities in minority rights and that democracy is essentially about responsiveness that what the people want is put in popular sovereignty right yeah and so you know so what he talks about is this kind of the idea that there is such a thing as illiberal democracy and undemocratic liberalism and the the first one this illiberal democracy is is i think m v the stronger of the two pairings i mean it it is this this is not it's very similar to what or or buying a used describe 'em what what he wanted to achieve in hungary the idea that now we we want a democracy to to rule and if that means that some rights are don't have the same status they used to or that's there's that some people have a difference 'em standing in the community versus other people that's okay right he's making the point that this is an important event element of populism throughout the west right world a that it emphasizes right the people's rule that essentially what populism is is about but deemphasize is a minority rights individual protections the actions of of all which is why rights exist because you know i mean going back the tocqueville and the tyranny of the majority if you don't have those rights odds a very good that the majority is going to oppressed minority yeah yeah that's right i mean one thing i think he does a nice job of kind of laying out is that the american system would develop with much more of an emphasis on liberalism it then on the democracy right is a very undemocratic constitution and were seen a lot of that today a more so maybe then at other times but it but it was a constitution that was in madison who was very vocal about this you know that were concerned about majority writes that wanna protect protect minorities and i i think that's a real it's a real strength of this book although you know i have to say i had a little trouble discerning even going back over it a couple of times what exactly is he arguing it's happening in the united states today is it is are we facing threats to democracy her we we we facing threats liberalism i think he would say both right yeah but i but you know as i alluded to i don't think the argument that we are looking at 'em undemocratic liberalism is as strong i mean he points to things going on in the european paean union where i think he might have a case but in terms of you know that kind of bureaucratic work bureaucratic regulation come out you know the idea of these are not responsive politics i just i don't find that way i i agree i mean there there there is an argument to be made there that you know many decisions are made by experts and outside of the democratic process that that's the point these tournaments that that hardly strikes me as the crisis in america right right fix right now yeah so folks will have to read the book and then let us know what you think which also a very nicely written all the books and that really were not that kind of stuffy academic pros it's there i mean so the only other thing i wanna mention about monk is that is it is again something that i see repeatedly with these books and that is that you know you have analysis and then prescription any analysis is usually be very strong and the prescriptions are comparatively pretty weak and not as compelling yeah yeah they're kind of after thoughts in some way yeah maybe that's a little bit strong to say but you know they all wanna end on a kind of a b right right right yeah that's that's an interesting question of how much of that is it is it realistic avast as readers to expect them to have these grand solutions to these problems i think that's fair the other thing is that you know people presented these are these prescriptions as 'em universal or bipartisan and then once they get the specifics you find out they're not they're they're very you know part of sending in there you know what it is they're calling for or if they were to become reality it would require a partisan fight right yeah so speaking of of not a lot of 'em you're hopeful solutions and a book let's talk about retreat of a western liberalism by edward loose this one you don't want it yeah so i just say i do not recommend reading this book while listening to tom waits that is not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination this is this is a book the new york times described as inciteful in heroin heroin yeah yeah a as winter follows autumn that's that's a phrase that he used his a couple of times and if that doesn't give you pause i don't know what will they're just a sense.
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"To to testify. Mr mother. Told us. A lot of what we need to hear today. It's very important to be clear on what he told us what the special prosecutor told the American people. He reaffirmed what was in the investigation, which was in the report about the investigation, which found substantial evidence that Russia attacked political system that the Trump campaign benefited from Russia's interference that Trump and those around him repeatedly welcomed Russia's support, and that throughout the investigation Trump so through have struck Justice and undermine Muller and the investigation over and over again. The president that the invested in sorry, the special counsel, did not exonerate the president from having a committed a crime DOJ policy prevented mullet from bringing criminal charges against the president. So the president is lying about the special counsel findings lying and saying that the special counsel have notes structure, and no conclusion, and I should add the attorney general is lying about that too. That is serious, and we will take action to hold the president accountable, Christmas time again. I'll. Repeat, no one, not even the president is above the law. Thank you. Thank you. Jerry Nadler, democrat of New York. He's the chair of the House Judiciary committee, in a financial times opinion, piece Edward loose writes, the following, quote, Mr. Muller has just handed speaker, Pelosi's, critics a cuddle. No sitting president can be subjected to the criminal Justice system that right belongs, solely to congress everything. He wanted to say was in the four hundred and forty eight page report. Nobody who has read. It could be left in any doubt that the president repeatedly attempted to obstruct Justice, which qualifies as a high crime in this demeanor, adding this Nancy Pelosi cannot hold the line on Trump impeachment will the speaker today, reacting to Reverend Miller statement. She was in San Francisco. So this morning, we all heard a very patriotic. American makes his presentation have the deepest respect for special counsel. Now, former special counsel molar, and what he had to say and his glory indicated he did say if he saw. Any evidence that the president was not. Was innocent. He would have let us know had any evidence that the president was not guilty. He would have let us nobody didn't. He didn't think that was very, very important while I have the deepest respect for him and thank him and his team for present the presentation affects that will further lead us to a help us in the congress and in the courts, this is a very valuable contribution. I am gravely disappointed in the Justice department for their attitude. Other misrepresentation of the mother report to begin with they're hiding behind something that you could never find in the constitution that the president is above the law, and they're misrepresentations even under oath by the Torney general to the congress of the United States, speaker, Pelosi at the Commonwealth club in San Francisco. And we cover the events on our website. It's he's been dot org. A democratic president. Hopefuls have ramped up their calls for the house to begin those impeachment proceedings, senators Cory Booker, New Jersey and Kirsten gillibrand of New York. Joining fellow democratic senators Kamala Harris of California, and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts in calling for impeachment. In her statement, for example, Senator gillibrand saying it is time for Republicans and Democrats to begin impeachment hearings and follow the facts wherever they may lead. We cannot let this president defy our basic accountability measures built into our constitution. But so far speaker Pelosi has been resisting those impeachment calls. Padova a House, Democrats, they've been very a shall we say, conscientious about how they've reached their decisions, and I think it's like thirty five of them at two hundred and thirty eight maybe it's thirty eight of them out of two hundred thirty eight have said that they wanted to be outspoken on preach, and many of them are reflecting their views as well as those of their constituents many constituents want to impeach the president, but we want to do, what is right and which gets results, but get results and we have to remember. Yes, there are some and the press makes more of a fuss about the to the thirty eight and the two hundred who are over half of the congress at the half of the, of the democrat in the house, sit on of these six committees. So they're all on a path of finding more information just to rape, call Mony. Why not born then? But during the. What would not become impatient, but the impeachment and that's you Gatien of Richard Nixon, a took months and months of a Senate committee, that was solely dedicated to researching. Impeachment before they then decided to have articles of impeachment come from the house, which we're never executed because the house and Senate agreed and was a democratic house and a Democratic Senate. We have a different scenario now. So the, the case has to be very compelling. And in the house of representatives, so far, only one Republican just in a mush has called for impeachment. He held his first townhall meeting since making that call in Grand Rapids, Michigan and received a standing ovation. He also said that the House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy is in his words, the so-called leader more from last night's event in Michigan. I think it's really important that we do our job as a congress that we not allow misconduct to go undeterred that we not say someone..
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"With with regards to impeach. Forward as say on the table Zafy. Does that? We have following through an investigation. We will continue to do so. And we'll make decisions as as they seem indicated. To testify. Mr mother. Told us. A lot of what we need to today. It's very important to be clear on what he told us what these people he reaffirmed was in the investigation, which was in the about the investigation, which sounds of Stansell evidence that Russia attack political system that the Trump campaign benefited from Russia's interference that Trump in those around him repeatedly, welcomed Russia's support, and that throughout the investigation of struck Justice and undermine Muller and the investigation over and over again, the president that the investing side, the special counsel, did not exonerate, the president of having committed a crime DOJ policy prevented from bringing criminal charges against the president. So the president is lying about the special counsel findings lying and saying that the special counsel have notes, no conclusion nice should add the attorney general's lying about that too. That is serious, and we will take action to hold the president accountable for his mistimed again. Repeat, no one, not even the president is above the law. Thank you. Jerry Nadler, democrat of New York. He's the chair of the House Judiciary committee, in a financial times opinion, piece Edward loose writes, the following, quote, Mr. Muller has just handed speaker, Pelosi's, critics a cuddle. No sitting president can be subjected to the criminal Justice system that right belongs, solely to congress everything. He wanted to say was in the four hundred forty eight page report. Nobody who has read. It could be left in any doubt that the president repeatedly attempted to obstruct Justice, which qualifies as a high crime and misdemeanor, adding this Nancy Pelosi cannot hold the line on Trump impeachment will the speaker today, reacting to rubber Miller statement. She was in San Francisco this morning. We all heard very patriotic American make his presentation have the deepest, Mus Becht special cancer. Well, now former special counsel Mueller and what he had to say his glory indicated he did say if. If he saw any evidence that the president was not. Was innocent. He would have let us know had any evidence that the president was not guilty. He would let us nobody didn't. He didn't think that was very, very important while have the deepest respect for him and thank him and his team for presents the presentation of facts that will further lead us to help us in the congress and in the courts, this is a very valuable contribution. I am gravely disappointed in the Justice department for their attitude. Their misrepresentation of the mother report to begin with they're hiding behind something that you could never find in the constitution that the president is above the law, and they're misrepresentations even under oath by the general to the congress of the United States, speaker, Pelosi, the Commonwealth club in San Francisco. And we cover the events on our website. It's he's been dot org. Democratic presence. Show. Hopefuls have ramped up their calls for the house to begin those impeachment proceedings, senators Cory Booker, New Jersey and Kirsten gillibrand of New York. Joining fellow democratic senators, comma, Harris have California and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts in calling for impeachment. In her statement, for example, Senator gillibrand saying it is time for Republicans and Democrats to begin impeachment hearings and follow the facts wherever they may lead. We cannot let this president defy our basic accountability measures built into our constitution. But so far speaker Pelosi has been resisting those impeachment calls. Paddock are a House Democrats have been very shall we say, conscientious about how they reached their decisions, and I think it's like thirty five of them at two hundred and thirty eight maybe it's thirty eight of them at two hundred thirty eight have said that they wanted to be at spoken on peach mint, and many of them reflecting their views as well as those their constituents constituents want to impeach the president. But we want to do what is right. And which gets results get results and we have to remember. Yes. And the press makes more of a fuss about the two thirty eight and the two hundred who are over half of the congress half of the of the Democrats in the house sit on these six committees. So they're all on a path of finding more information just to call Mony not on then but during the. What would not become teaching but the impeachment and education for Nixon took months and months of Sediq Senate committee, that was solely dedicated to researching? Impeachment before they then decided to have articles of impeachment come from the house, which we're never executed because the house and Senate agreed and was a democratic house and Democratic Senate. We have different scenario now. So the case has to be very compelling. And in the house of representatives, so far, only one Republican just in a mush has called for impeachment. He held his first townhall meeting since making that call in Grand Rapids, Michigan and received a standing ovation. He also said that the House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy is in his words, the so-called leader more from last night's event in Michigan. I think it's really important that we do our job as a congress that we not allow misconduct to go undeterred that we not say, so.
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"I think is that they have really got to deep into it. And I was saying to Michael before we came in abet for the didn't immediately strike is how close of the wolves getting to the sleigh. Led the by a nice suspect. They are this is what is worrying Mullah? I think that's why the scanned by what happened with bug BuzzFeed because you cannot put a millimeter fingernail wrong. I think it's wearing Jude Rudy Giuliani from various quotes that he has given what is the Trump relationship with with with Russia? We've had on the other side these incredible stories whether they're true or not I'm still not convinced by Trump into meeting with Putin Bundy that the interpreted TASR up her notes at at an and so on. But what does Putin really want? And there was a very very good short piece in the financial times. Wait by great, Putin and Trump watcher Edward loose in say just watch is the end game. And we know that that both great disrupters are the two great disruptors disruption of NATO, this is where actually Trump himself is boxed in because if he moves on NATO that that's when the tanks will move in on his lawn. Big time, I don't think this is going to be the conscious by late. But it's another thing. What is interesting is the maturity with which Mona has maneuvered on on this. But it is not came over by any manner of means yet fascinating from both of you. Thank you so much that does bring us to the end of today's show, Michael Goldfarb and Robert FOX today show produced by custom macho Larry research by Fernando Augusta per shekel and Martha LeBron our studio manager, David Stephen. Is there is more music next? And then at nine thousand nine hundred hours, it is the monocle culture show. We'll have more on the day's top news stories on the monocle daily with your host, Marcus hippie, twenty two hundred London time fourteen hundred in Los Angeles. But every house back tomorrow, I'm Daniel beach. Thank you for listening. And goodbye..